Moscow

[QUOTE=Wolf]Hi there

Can any one tell me if the Miezdunarodnaya Hotel is girl friendly ?
How can I take my conquest back to my room ? Should I expect any staring from the security guards or will this be a quiet walk ?

Is Helena interesting in meeting me tonight ?
Any one also for a city discovery ?

Cheers

The Wolf[/QUOTE]


Hi, Mezdunarodnaya is not too girls-friendly. In the day time its ok, but since evening you have to meet the girl downstairs by the entrance door and probably pay security 50$.

Thank you for the tip, Helena.
So where could we meet then ?
Any other place, hotel, club that would be more friendly ?

The Wolf

[QUOTE=Wolf]Thank you for the tip, Helena.
So where could we meet then ?
Any other place, hotel, club that would be more friendly ?

The Wolf[/QUOTE]


Dear Wolf, if you really planned to meet, you would have long ago called me on the phone. We correspond for several days, and your letters are somehow always too late for a meeting or your demands too strange. As if I can't recognize you by writing. Good luck.

Any good places someone can recommend?

Hi,

Anyone have contacts with russian girls in Colombo (Sri Lanka). Pls let me know. I need to hve fun with Russian babes.

LG,
Any of the erotic-massage.ru locations, or pussycats.ru

[QUOTE=Wolf]Hi there

Can any one tell me if the Miezdunarodnaya Hotel is girl friendly ?
How can I take my conquest back to my room ? Should I expect any staring from the security guards or will this be a quiet walk ?

Is Helena interesting in meeting me tonight ?
Any one also for a city discovery ?

Cheers

The Wolf[/QUOTE]Hi Wolf,

I've stayed at the Mez (International), and managed to get a couple of girls up, but they can be put off by going to that hotel. I migth try somewhere different when I go back in April. Let me know how you get on.

Cheers,

Ant

[QUOTE=Wolf]Hi there

Can any one tell me if the Miezdunarodnaya Hotel is girl friendly ?
How can I take my conquest back to my room ? Should I expect any staring from the security guards or will this be a quiet walk ?

Is Helena interesting in meeting me tonight ?
Any one also for a city discovery ?

Cheers

The Wolf[/QUOTE]By the way, next to the Mez hotel on the river is a boat night club called Alexander Block. I went there and got laid by a student type without trying on a tuesday night. Give it a try and if you dont score call a call girl.

Cheers,

Ant

Ah yes, Valentine's day....

The good news is, the weather has warmed up.... to freezing.

The bad news is, it's snowing again. The streets and sidewalks are a mess. But there are crews of workers out in force everywhere, removing snow. I gotta hand it Moscow, the city is diligent about their snow removal.

I keep thinking about actually having sex with my Valentine, Diana. I finish a little early today and decide to play hookey. Probably the best thing to do is take the direct approach and call the salon at Avtozavodskaya and just pop the question. That's the wonderful thing about Russia; I'm a man, I want sex, nothing strange about that at all. It's a perfectly normal condition for a man.

So I called the salon and spoke with the mistress. She says she remembers me (really?) I tell her that minye ochyen ponravilas (I was very pleased) with Dianna and I ask her if sex vozmozhen (is possible). No, she replies, nyet oo sex zdyes, tol'ko massage (no sex here, only massage). But something tells me not to take "no" for an answer.

I tell her that I want to see Diana again, and only Diana, (for a massage, of course) and to expect me cherez chas (in an hour).

Avtozavodskaya is the first stop after Paveletskaya on the green Metro line. Try to exit the Metro on the Masterkova yl. side. When you come up on Masterkova, Leninskaya Sloboda is the big boulevard down at the far intersection. I could have taken the bus, but I was able to flag down a passing Lada. It's driven by a young guy, smoking cigarettes and grooving to his radio. He's happy to pick up an extra 100r for the short trip.

So, you turn right on Leninskaya Sloboda and Dom 4 is the last big apt. building on the left when you reach the first intersection.

The mistress greets me at the door and ushers me into one of the rooms.

So, you just want to meet with Diana?

Yes, of course.

Well, you know, Diana is new and she doesn't know how to do massage so well.

Da

You sure you don't want another girl?

Nyet

She asks me how long I want her for and we agree on 1 1/2 hour. It will cost me 2600r.

Nyet-oo problem

The mistress leaves, Diana returns, with some chai. She's a little confused by the arrangement, but I explain that I specifically asked just for her. It's not difficult to explain, since she speaks very good English, as well as Russian, Spanish and French. Smart Kid. She came here to Moscow to teach Spanish, but, the massage parlor pays better.

So, now that we are alone, she is nye protiv (not against) and I am nye protiv, and the mistress seems to have no intention of enforcing the "no sex" policy. Diana has no problem with providing more than just a massage. Lucky for me. :)

Hmm... interesting, so I guess when a woman says "no", it doesn't always necessarily mean "no"???

Back out on the street, the bus takes me to the Metro. But just to make sure, I ask the driver as I get on...

Vui yeditye na Metro?

Da, Da, konyechno

The Metro takes me home.

And I didn't even have to buy any flowers.... ;)

Well, I am ashamed to admit it, but I got skunked.

I thought I would try the Erotic-Massage.ru salon at Stundencheskaya. There's a new girl there, Zhenya, who looks worthwhile. I've never been there before, and there aren't a lot of reports coming out of there, and now I know why.

I called first, of course, before I left, to get the location (495) 109-00-64, and I discovered a new twist on Moscow addresses. The girl I spoke with told me that the salon is located at 22 Studenchyeskaya, Korpus 1. I wasn't quite sure what that meant, but the map made it clear. There are 3 large buildings at 22 Studencheskaya, Korpus 1, 2 and 3. The 3 of them together make up the "body" of that address. The girl told me to call back when I was at the building and she would give me the podyezd/kvartira.

The problem with Studencheskaya is... you can't get there from here. I had to transfer to 4 different Metro stations before I finally arrived, at the Studencheskaya stop. I was down in the Metro for almost an hour and by the time I arrived, it was past 17:00. But then, of course you have to get to the salon from the Metro station.

The salon is located in a purely residential neighborhood, so there is no public transportation. No buses, no taxis, no marshroots, not even a promising Zhiguli I could flag down. My only option would be to walk. If this were August, no problem. But the weather has turned cold again (cold in Moscow being anything below freezing). It's probably close to -10C. And then, of course, by the time I was finished, I would have to walk back. So, I decided that discretion is the better part of valor and turned around and left. This one will be a tough nut to crack.

Puzir isn't too far away, so I thought I'd head over there. Back to the circle line and over to Park Kultury to get the train to Universitet. My, my, my... there are a LOT of people down here. How many Russians can you fit through a turnstile at rush hour? Take the maximum babushka circumference (in cm.) and subtract the minimum dyeffki waist (in cm.). Multiply that by the maximum attainable compression factor, divide that by the standard deviation of the number of people not directly in the stream of traffic and
that should give you pretty good idea.

The train to Universitet is packed with (surprise, surprise) college kids. They are waving red and white flags, singing songs and generally carrying on. At Sportivnaya, they all pile off. Must be some kind of sporting event? In -10 weather? Could only be hockey.

Puzir is quiet, it's about 18:00. The day girls are leaving and the night girls haven't showed up yet. The shashlik and a couple of beers are 540r. I know that Erotic-Massage.ru has one of their salons not too far from here, on Leninski, but unfortunately, I neglected to add their phone number to my mobilni, so I can't call to get the address. Bummer, I guess this means I don't qualify for my prostitutki locating merit badge.

So, I decide to head back home. But, before I get there I have one last chance to salvage the evening. I have the number of a girl on intimcity.ru that advertises as tol'ka vuiyezd (outcall only). Her name is Olesa, and, I actually have her number in my mobilni 8-(905)-731-66-48.

I give her a call, and, miracle of miracles, she answers the phone. Yes, she is working tonight. No, she's not busy right now. Yes, she can be at my apartment in 1 hour.

I head back to the apt. to get ready for my guest and a little over an hour later, the phone rings and she is downstairs. I buzz her in, but when I open the door there are 2 girls. Olesa and Alyona. Hmmm... interesting.

So, I'm not quite sure what to make of this. Turns out Olesa and Alyona are the same age, 18, have the same birthday, in a couple of days, grew up right next to each other in the same apartment building, so they are sort of inseperable. Whatever Olesa does, Alyona does. Well, almost... I asked Alyona if she wanted to join Olesa and me in bed, but she declined. She preferred to make herself some chai and sit in the kitchen.

"You two go ahead, don't mind me".

Olesa is tiny, less than 5 feet, maybe 4 foot 8 inches. But she's got a great bod for her small stature. [url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=34736[/url] She is also a diligent worker. Begins with an excellent covered BJ, which probably would have gone on forever if I didn't prompt her so change positions. We do it this way for a while and then that way, and then we skochki po preriya to the finish.

Meanwhile, Alyona is in the kitchen, doing the dishes.....

After we finish, Alyona calls a car service to pick them up and I bid them farewell.

So, I like this outcall business, particularly during the winter. For 4,000r, they come to me, I get my ashes hauled and my kitchen cleaned. Not a bad deal.

счастливо....

Some pictures I took...

There's no nikked woman, so I won't put them in the photos section

It's cold.

I mean... it's cold.

Too cold to be running around at night. Best to go out during the day. If the sun is shining, it can't be too bad.

I think I'll try the salon at Universitet. I give them a call, 495-107-6773, and yes, they are open, but the girl tells me that Kira is not working today. Zhalko. I was hoping to meet her, she had an excellent review in sextalk.ru, but that's the problem with weekends.

One nice thing about the weekends is that the city doesn't seem so crowded, or crazy. There are lots of people in the metro, but they're mainly families out shopping, none of that crazed pushing and shoving that you get during the week.

I come up from the metro at Universitet, and there is a group of guys, standing outside, drinking beer.... in sub-freezing temperature. Because the temperature hasn't risen above freezing in the past several days, the sidewalks have acquired a permanent layer of ice. On top of that is what's left of the last snowfall, which makes for some slippery going. In fact, it's impossible to walk, you just have to sort of skate. It's great fun for the kids, no wonder Russians make such good hockey players. What's really amazing is how the women can slide along on those 3" heels.

There is a tram station right there at the Metro station, which will take you to Leninskii Prospect. From there, it's about 70 or 80 meters pyeshkom (by foot) to 71 Leninskii. The podyezd is around in back.

They buzz me in, and the girl who opens the door ushers me into one of the rooms. A few minutes later, 2 girls enter the room and wait patiently for me to choose. There's not much to chose from, that's the problem with coming on a Saturday afternoon. The first girl is a blonde, and she looks pissed as hell about something, so I think I'll leave her alone. The second one, a brunette, has a quick smile, kind eyes, and is very soft-spoken. She looks promising. Her name is Marina [url]http://www.erotic-massage.ru/showgirls/100/4[/url]

The girls leave and Marina returns with some chai and a towel for the shower. Marina is a sweetie pie. She's 20 and a student at the university, finishing her studies. She's from Novosibirsk, she has dark hair and almondish eyes and is very spakoina. She is in no rush at all. She's a little plump, but that just serves to fill out her figure. She gives a decent massage, first with her hands, then a body massage, which has me ready for action in no time. She is very compliant with sex, any position I want, which she seems to be able to anticipate in advance. She's a good partner.

Not a bad way to spend an afternoon...

The salon at Universitet is actually fairly easy to get to. Take the red line to
Universitet. When you exit the metro, don't go straight up the escalator, take the underground transfer to the other side of Vernadskogo, that saves you having to negotiate the traffic at the intersection.

When you come up, keep walking straight ahead towards Lomonosovski. Puzir will be on your right. Just past Puzir is the tram stop. Take any of the trams and they will take you down to Leninski. I prefer to get off at the stop on the other side of Leninski, that saves you having to negotiate the intersection on foot. Walk north on Leninski until you reach No. 71. The podyezd is around in back.

OK...

I'm tired of shlepping all over town trying to get laid. There's a salon within walking distance of where I'm staying. I should try that.

[url]http://www.fantasys.nu[/url] is the website for the salon. They advertise themselves as a massazhni salon, but from the reviews I read on sextalk, the offer the polni program.

I call their number, 799-4657, and a woman answers. They are working today and will be happy to see me, but it seems important to her to know whether I have been there before or not. I tell her I haven't, and she wants to know how I heard about them. I tell her through the internet. "Podozhdi, pozhaluista" (wait a minute please), and another woman comes on the phone. She also seems to be concerned whether I have been there before and how I heard about them. She tells me to go to Strastnoi Blvd Дом 4. and call her from there.

So, I head out to Pushkinskaya. Дом 4. looks to be the buıldıng rıght next to Garazh Club. I call the salon again and speak to the woman. She asks me to find some landmarks, which lead me to an arch on Strastnoi. So, then she wants to know what I am wearing. Huh??? She says Yuri, or Dima, or someone will be down to meet me. Five minutes later, a young guy comes walking through the arch and stares around, must be him.

He takes me back through the arch and a big dvor, which opens out again on Kozitsii pereulok. We enter through the podyezd and we walk up a couple flights of stairs. This building looks like Pushkin himself might have lived here.

But, once inside the apartment, it is very nice. This place is obviously a class joint. The mistress ushers me into a big bedroom. She opens the door and the room is packed with a dozen or so gorgeous babes, all in their lingerie. They are all waiting for me to make my choice. The effect is very spectacular, but, undaunted, I quickly choose the tallest blonde I can find and away we go. Her name is Veronica.

First things first, she asks for the money, 3,000r, which I place on the dresser. She disappears with the money and then, comes back with the money. I guess they just wanted to make sure that I had it?. "Chai/kofe?", tapochki (slippers), polotyents (towel), doosh (shower), and we are ready to go.

This girl is gorgeous! And she's all mine for an hour. ;) I'm thinking that we're going to start with a massage, but Veronica is not much of a massazhistka. OK, so let's move on to the BJ, covered of course. Excellent BJ does the trick. She hops on and we skotchkii po preriya for a while until she decides that she wants to do it doggy style. OK, gorgeous, I'm with ya. The problem is, her legs are so damn long, I can't quite get the elevation lined up. Damn, that's the first time that's happened! But I sure ain't gonna waste a perfectly good hard-on trying to figure that out. I roll her over and continue to pound away missionary style.

Veronica is "nye protiv".

After we finish, I sip my chai on the bed and Veroica stares at me with these big hazel eyes, like some kind of gooney-bird. OK, gorgeous, I know you can fuck, what else you got? I try to engage her in a conversation, which is easier said than done. She's 25, from Ivanono, has been working at the salon for about six months. Graduated from the institute as an Economist (which in Russia is more like an accountant) and came to Москва looking for work. But, of course, the salon pays better (where have I heard that before?).

The hour is up, quick shower and back out on the street. On the way back to Pushkinskaya, I realize that this place is almost directly across the street from Night Flight, since Kozitsii pereulok intersects Tverskaya. So, if any of you guys are tired of buying dyevs out of NF for 300/400 bucks a pop, this place is a good alternative, the same quality, for a fraction of the price.

Best make sure you call first, you definately don't want to show up at this place unannounced.

Here's a couple pictures of Veronica I took from the website.

WYSIWYG...

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]OK...

[url]http://www.fantasys.nu[/url] is the website for the salon. They advertise themselves as a massazhni salon, but from the reviews I read on sextalk, the offer the polni program.
.... On the way back to Pushkinskaya, I realize that this place is almost directly across the street from Night Flight, since Kozitsii pereulok intersects Tverskaya. So, if any of you guys are tired of buying dyevs out of NF for 300/400 bucks a pop, this place is a good alternative, the same quality, for a fraction of the price.

Best make sure you call first, you definately don't want to show up at this place unannounced.

[/QUOTE]
This is an interesting option.
Would it be possible to get there and get serviced with no Russian?

GT,

You know...

You could try calling and speaking English. There might be someone there who speaks enough English to get by. It's worth a try. But wait until you are there in the neighborhood.

Other than that you will have to speak Russian. But remember, the salon wants your business. They are not going to hang up on you just because your Russian is not perfect. They will do their best to try and get you in.

OK, back in sex prison.....

I'm sure there are arguments for visiting Moscow at any time of the year, but I think summer is the best time. It's too difficult, and expensive, to get around in the winter.

Plus, in summer, the dyeffki are all on display in their summer clothes, or lack thereof. It's an added benefit.

Something I noticed this last trip is that the taxists have stopped quoting fares. Now the way it works is... you tell them where you are going and they ask you what you are willing to pay. If you don't offer enough, they will ask for more. Sort of like an auction. It could be a winter thing, in the summer it's too easy to walk.

Taxi fares go in increments of 100 Rubles. So best to know how to count by hundreds.

100 - сто "stoh"
200 - двести "dvyesti"
300 - триста "tree-stah"
400 - четыреста "chi-tuir-es-tah"
500 - пятьсот "pyat-soht"

500 Rubles is the maximum you should pay for a short trip within the center of town. And that's maybe late at night, in a blizzard, in a Mercedes. Most trips should be 200r to 300r

счастливо...

Excuse my laziness, but how much is 3000r?

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]OK, back in sex prison.....

I'm sure there are arguments for visiting Moscow at any time of the year, but I think summer is the best time. It's too difficult, and expensive, to get around in the winter.

Plus, in summer, the dyeffki are all on display in their summer clothes, or lack thereof. It's an added benefit.

Something I noticed this last trip is that the taxists have stopped quoting fares. Now the way it works is... you tell them where you are going and they ask you what you are willing to pay. If you don't offer enough, they will ask for more. Sort of like an auction. It could be a winter thing, in the summer it's too easy to walk.

Taxi fares go in increments of 100 Rubles. So best to know how to count by hundreds.

100 - сто "stoh"
200 - двести "dvyesti"
300 - триста "tree-stah"
400 - четыреста "chi-tuir-es-tah"
500 - пятьсот "pyat-soht"

500 Rubles is the maximum you should pay for a short trip within the center of town. And that's maybe late at night, in a blizzard, in a Mercedes. Most trips should be 200r to 300r

счастливо...[/QUOTE]

Strav:

I am in Moscow right now, and agree that the brutal cold makes life here a bit rough... but a couple of comments...

* taxis:

I stopped asking them how much they want years ago. It's best to know your destination, make an offer 50-100 rubles below what you are willing to pay. He'll counteroffer and you settle in the middle... or accept his offer if it's -20° C like today... :)

The worst bargainers are old pensioners... they accept almost any price. The best bargainers are Armenians, Azeris and Georgians. They are tough.

* time of year:

Both seasons have their merits. Summer obviously is more pleasant in terms of viewing mini-skirt clad girls or sitting outside, walking around etc. It's also the best time of year to wander around looking for that elusive salon in D.24, Proezd 5, kv. 24... :)

However half of Moscow leaves the city in the summer, including many of it's hottest women. Even the top clubs are half empty in July and August. Winter is the best non-pro hunting season...

Cruiser:

You are lazy! 3000 Rubles is about $120, but who is counting.. :)

Kiev vs. Moscow vs. Odessa:

I've spent time in all 3 in the last month... and in terms of eye candy and really classy, thin, sexy girls Moscow wins hands down. Not even close.

Or maybe I'm just spoiled here. It is a businessman's town. Two days ago my buddy and I, dressed in the classic dark suit/white shirt/dark wool longcoat combo, picked up two hot tanned teens in Etazh with the cleverest of pick-up lines... "wanna get some sushi?"*

Hell, even Moscow's TGIF is chock-full of hotties... can't say that about Kiev's TGIF... it's only full of horny ISG sexpats... :)













* no, we didn't buy them a fucking phone... just about $150 worth of cocktails and sushi at Vision and taxi fare back to my apartment...

Using the irregular taxi at night is a necessity in Moscow. Especially, after dark foreigners should not use the metro unless they are with a group of people.

I have always stayed at my friend’s apartment at Kolomenskaya, which is 3 stops to center. In summer I try not to pay more than 150Rb, but in winter it's too cold and it may be too difficult to find warm cars so instead of negotiating, I directly make my offer- 250Rb.


In summer, if you don't like the price, you don't need to accept his offer. The next one or the other ones may take you to the price you want.

Don’t use the irregular taxi;

-if there are other passengers,
-if you don’t feel secure,

My favorite car is VOLGA. Unfortunately, most of the time I find Jiguli or Skoda. :(

Georgian, Azeri and young Russian drivers love to chit chat.



Vision is a nice spot(opposite of Mister XXX on New Arbat) to spend hard earned $s with your gf...:) (colorful view at night with those neons)

Doc, you're the king of all....Hail the captain...

[QUOTE=Big Bro AJ]Using the irregular taxi at night is a necessity in Moscow. Especially, after dark foreigners should not use the metro unless they are with a group of people.

I have always stayed at my friend’s apartment at Kolomenskaya, which is 3 stops to center. In summer I try not to pay more than 150Rb, but in winter it's too cold and it may be too difficult to find warm cars so instead of negotiating, I directly make my offer- 250Rb.


In summer, if you don't like the price, you don't need to accept his offer. The next one or the other ones may take you to the price you want.

Don’t use the irregular taxi;

-if there are other passengers,
-if you don’t feel secure,

My favorite car is VOLGA. Unfortunately, most of the time I find Jiguli or Skoda. :(

Georgian, Azeri and young Russian drivers love to chit chat.


If I am not wrong, currenty $1 is 26,2 Ruble and 1 Euro is 34,3 Ruble.[/QUOTE]

Big Bro:

Your prices are normal... prices are a bit high now, due to the cold. But honestly... arguing over 50 rubles in Moscow is a sure sign you are in the wrong city... so I agree with you that endless haggling over price is silly.

Caucasian guys are a lot of fun... they'll chat your ear off if you get them started... and they love to talk about women and food... those are my favorite things too... actually my girlfriend's here tell me that when I speak Russian I have a Georgian accent... :)

Your absolutely right about cars.. only 5 types stop:

* Skodas:

Pieces of shit but fast. Young poor Russians love this car... and it's amazing sometimes what kind of stereo equipment they put in there. Still though, shitty.

* Ladas:

The shittiest of the shitty. I hate this fucking car. Usually driven by old pensioners and Caucasians. The second cheapest car on the road... the cheapest is the so-called "death-capsule", the dreaded Oka.

* New European or Japanese cars driven by young Russians:

Pure luxury when they stop... especially during the day they stop.. but only take you if you are going in the same direction as they are, they don't take you to "out of the way" destinations.

* Volgas:

Super comfortable, but smells like gas... still the best of the "Russian" cars... my favorite taxi too... unfortunately they are getting more and more rare. Preferred by middle-aged Russians, many of whom were drivers for politicians before these started getting Audis, BMWs and Fords.

* Luxury limos driven by politican chaffeurs. I've ridden in limos, Audis and BMWs. Drivers try to earn a few bucks when driving the "official car" around while their employers are in meetings or at work... this is getting rarer and rarer, but still happens... especially if you are wearing business clothes.

I've ridden in a hearse, an ambulance and a militia car... so you never know who will stop!

Hi everyone,

I am a frequent reader of this particular forum but I have never had a chance to place a report myself since I have never been to Moscow before. Luckily I will be in Moscow for a week this March (10-18).

Thus, I have a few questions to prepare my trip. I would be very grateful for some advice and I promise to report once I am in Moscow.

Bars/Clubs:

With respect to clubs NF and Hungry Duck seem to be fairly good but expensive places to pick up professionals while Karma Bar and Mc Coy provide some chance of picking up non professional girls? Are there any other bars that you would recommend?

Tochka:

The tochka scene seems to be a bit difficult to track down since the places change and one must be by car to get there. Are there any tochkas one can recommend at present? Does anyone know an English speaking taxi driver one could call and hire for this purpose?

Mobile Phones:

What kind of SIM card should I get in Moscow? From what I understand there is hardly any chance to get to a massage or private apartment if one does not have a mobile handy. My German prepaid card won’t get me anywhere in that case. Since I also want to check out some of the places advertised on intimcity.ru I will need a local card for sure.

I know that for someone new I ask a bit much but I would greatly appreciate your support.

Excuse me for being a little more then a bit off topic. But for anyone that knows me talking about taxi's and taxi economics in the FSU is one of my favorite pass times...

I know you didn't spend much time in Kiev, so 109 feel free to chime in, did you notice much less private cars picking people up then before. I don't think I took a single private car the entire 7 weeks I was in Kiev. Which is too bad because it's something I always enjoyed - last year I did catch a ride from a police car, that was too funny. And as we know taxi drivers are a great source of usually useful information.

I'll be in Moscow over the Western Easter break (Fri Apr 06 - Sun Apr 09). I may need some looking after (;)) as I am a total Moscow newbie. However, I'm an old hand in Kiev and imagine Moscow to be the Ukrainian capital's bigger, nastier, more expensive older brother? Where your game needs to be that much sharper?

I really want to experience the 'elitny' clubs such as First, Gazgolder etc. I'd appreciate the chance to go with some regulars who know the scene. Would $100-150 be a decent budget for a night in this kind of place? More if you're in the VIP section? Mid range clubs (particularly on 'hot' nights) would be good too.

Initially I want focus on the 'free' hotties rather than P4P. But if results don't materialise I'll definitely be on for a trip to NF, Boarhouse or a good 'take home' strip club like 911.

Skank, from your Etazh experience it looks like the businessman-who-knows-how-to-treat-a-girl-well approach works a treat. There will always be girls in any FSU city who have the desire, but not the means to have a classy night out, so we (and our wallet) can make it happen for them, so to speak :)

I'll be staying in the Tverskaya Marriott. I figured it's worth going for somewhere safe and central for a first visit. It's not cheap ($300 pn for a queen sized room) to say the least. Even the overpriced Kiev joints look good value compared to this - and in Kiev it's relatively easy to find a nice central apartment at fairly low cost. Not here, from what I gather.

So..

Shostakovich? Cicciolino? Skank? 109? Anyone else on for some upscale debauchery? Please post or PM me

[QUOTE=Ash1001]

In Moscow I want to experience elitny club scene.

Would $100-150 budget for a night in this kind of place?

[/QUOTE]

$100 for a night? :D

What ever you're smoking, let us all have a puff. We'd like
to try the time machine you're stuck in from 1991.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]

Veronica stares at me like some gooney-bird.

OK, She's 25.

Here's Veronica from the website.

[/QUOTE]

Do the pics look MUCH younger than 25?
Or is it me?

[QUOTE=Ash1001]I'll be in Moscow over the Western Easter break (Fri Apr 06 - Sun Apr 09). I may need some looking after (;)) as I am a total Moscow newbie. However, I'm an old hand in Kiev and imagine Moscow to be the Ukrainian capital's bigger, nastier, more expensive older brother? Where your game needs to be that much sharper?

I really want to experience the 'elitny' clubs such as First, Gazgolder etc. I'd appreciate the chance to go with some regulars who know the scene. Would $100-150 be a decent budget for a night in this kind of place? More if you're in the VIP section? Mid range clubs (particularly on 'hot' nights) would be good too.

Initially I want focus on the 'free' hotties rather than P4P. But if results don't materialise I'll definitely be on for a trip to NF, Boarhouse or a good 'take home' strip club like 911.

Skank, from your Etazh experience it looks like the businessman-who-knows-how-to-treat-a-girl-well approach works a treat. There will always be girls in any FSU city who have the desire, but not the means to have a classy night out, so we (and our wallet) can make it happen for them, so to speak :)

I'll be staying in the Tverskaya Marriott. I figured it's worth going for somewhere safe and central for a first visit. It's not cheap ($300 pn for a queen sized room) to say the least. Even the overpriced Kiev joints look good value compared to this - and in Kiev it's relatively easy to find a nice central apartment at fairly low cost. Not here, from what I gather.

So..

Shostakovich? Cicciolino? Skank? 109? Anyone else on for some upscale debauchery? Please post or PM me[/QUOTE]

Well Moscow just keeps getting more expensive and obviously the elite clubs are going to be quite pricey. I don't think you'll get far on $100... that's probably only about 5 or 6 drinks. Even beer is like $10 in an elite club... but frankly, not many people drink beer there. It's mostly champagne and whisky.

VIP? Bring a bag of cash... :)

You should give it a go though, the clubs are a sight to behold. The major issue, as discussed before, is going to be just getting in. Make sure you have a plan B if you don't make it in. The politics of face control were discussed before in detail. BTW, you cannot bribe your way past the doorman at most top clubs... not for a token 1000 rubles anyway.

Sorry I won't be in Moscow in April... am just leaving the city now... I really, really, really love this place. Feels like home...

As for money, I wouldn't count on it being your ticket. You'll need to combine charm with money to get anywhere. The two teens we picked up had lots of cash themselves, they just liked our confident nature and classy clothes.

Playing "the money card" will work with some (but not all) girls of moderate means, but upper class girls aren't inherently impressed by cash alone. You'll need to use your people skills... :)

If I were you, I'd get a pro on my first night to take the pressure off, then work on freebies. The salons are a good value for this, if you prefer take home, than try NF/CF.

BTW, in terms of quality of girls, don't underestimate the mid-level clubs. I go to both elite, mid and lower level clubs and have fun in all.

….CASH IS KING IN MOSCOW….


Damm work….I want to be in Moscow. The goddess of all the MILFs is back on business. I met her last July and had a ultra wonderful 12 hours. I paid $500 for 12 hours but she invited her girl friend for threesome that I didn’t even ask.

We smoke weed, drank bottles of Chile red, had PSE experience. I remember it as it is today. No limits at all. I had to take 50mg blue to handle both of them.

When I met her she preferred to call herself Miyarı. She is burning hot for her age. She loves anal and rough sex. We had sex more than 5 times.

She was a ex-model and her ex was connected with the mafia. She has a classy and modern 2 room apartment close to the Colombian Embassy. There were security cameras that recording the hallway, main entrance of the apartment and the main door.

It looks like she changed her location and her name.

[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=38331[/url]

:( I want to be in Moscow. :( I want to be in Moscow. :(




Not all the irregular taxis take you to Tochkas. Even some might find the request insulting. Georgians and Azeri drivers take you anywhere you want. Most of them know the best spots.

[QUOTE=Big Bro AJ]….CASH IS KING IN MOSCOW….
Not all the irregular taxis take you to Tochkas. Even some might find the request insulting. Georgians and Azeri drivers take you anywhere you want. Most of them know the best spots.[/QUOTE]

For those who are worried about asking a taxi driver to take them to tochka, I suggest going to Boarhouse/CF and asking one of the drivers there. They will charge you more (500-700 rubles depending on length of trip, how many tochkas etc.) but they will know where to go, are experienced in dealing with the police and certainly won't be offended by the request... :)

BBAJ is right though, some Russians both old and young aren't interested in driving around looking for tochkas and many aren't good at finding them.

[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]Do the pics look MUCH younger than 25?
Or is it me?[/QUOTE]
Yes they do. I was surprised when she told me she was 25. Her vital stats are 24 y.o., 178 cm, so I guess she had a birthday since they were posted. But she really does look exactly like the pix, except that she wears her hair differently. It's shorter now.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]The two teens we picked up had lots of cash themselves, they just liked our confident nature and classy clothes.[/QUOTE]

Understood. But.. I would love to see the look on their faces if you had suggested going Dutch after the sushi and cocktails :D

I'll agree that confidence is everything in this part of the world: the whole being a real man thing, showing the girl she's the one you really want. Don't mention or make any reference to money, what you earn etc. as it will be considered vulgar. BUT at some point you are simply going to have to pick up a bill, or you won't get taken seriously. I'm sure there is the odd gem or two that likes you so much that she'll insist on paying, but so far this species has eluded me :)

BTW when you say champagne is normally drunk in elitny clubs, I assume you mean Veuve Clicquot and Bollinger, not the cheap and cheerful Sovietskoye that so delights the Kiev student types?

Frankly if I can't take a girl by the hand and drag her home after 2 or 3 drinks then she can fuck off and stop wasting my time, 'elitny' or not. I'm sure most of the 'models' in these overpriced sponsorship parades end up taking a 2hr metro ride back to a 2 room flat in zhopa which they share with 10 family members

And if the VIP section is full of aging (b/m)illionaires who need to order a jeroboam of Krug before a girl will look at them, well.. perhaps VIP is not good ROI? :)

[QUOTE=Ash1001]

Is the VIP section full of aging millionaires
who need to order Krug before a girl will look at them?

[/QUOTE]

The VIP rooms are full of flat heads drinking vodka.
It is their town, after all. And their klub.

[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]The VIP rooms are full of flat heads drinking vodka.
It is their town, after all. And their klub.[/QUOTE]

And what are their molls drinking? Shampanskoye, I would have thought.

Have you ever joined these charming chaps for a shot or two? :)

The Moscow mafia is primarily Georgian, is it not?

[QUOTE=Ash1001]

The Moscow mafia is primarily Georgian, is it not?[/QUOTE]

Not at all ;). We have enough guys from everywhere, including the locals.

[QUOTE=Ash1001]And what are their molls drinking? Shampanskoye, I would have thought.

Have you ever joined these charming chaps for a shot or two? :)

The Moscow mafia is primarily Georgian, is it not?[/QUOTE]

It's not all Bollinger, Soviet shampanskoye is OK too... although not all places have it on the menu.

As for the mafia, they aren't bad guys once you get to know them... most of them have long since become "legitimate biznessmen" anyway. Most of the mafia types I know are Russian, and it's entirely wrong to characterize them as mindless flatheads. Russians aren't all pasty pale Putin-clones, they are a muti-ethnic mix... one of the reasons their women are so beautiful is the mix.

New Russians and the mafia, which are hard to seperate visually, have long since given up their black suit and sunglasses uniform for more stylish clothes and behavior. The old stereotype does of course still rear its ridiculous head, especially in the province, but Moscow is more international and the real joy of the elite clubs is they are genuinely full of elite people... lots of high-powered businessmen, artists, actors and other members of high society. There is a good mix of foreigners there too, but the days when 'rich' foreigners ruled the Moscow club scene are long, long, long gone. We are more of a curiousity than anything else. Displaying some cultural understanding will go a lot farther than just good looks or money. The clubs are already full of good-looking, rich people.

As for drinks, most seem to drink hard alcohol straight with juice and water on the side. The VIP tables are usually adorned with various kinds of drinks and plates of fresh fruit or food. The girls drink various drinks.. champagne, cocktails or sometimes straight alcohol as well. The girl I banged on Thursday drank double whiskies straight all night without flinching. It was all part of my plan, since I told her she couldn't possibly drive her car home anymore now and I was going to kidnap her and take her home and fuck her all night. Which I did.

As for the age of the Russian power base, Moscow's elite is aged 30-45. Politicians are older, but they rarely go to clubs. Most of the guys in the clubs are some sort of businessman directly or indirectly living off of oil money.

When is Russia and out on the town the men pay for everything, period. This admittedly does spoil a lot of the girls. I have met countless girls who just live.. don't work, don't study... just party and live off of other guys money. It isn't all about sex for money either. New Russians are generous with their money, especially when it comes to young females.

I really suggest you 3-tier your approach between pros, student types and the elite types. All have their positive and negative aspects. It's unpredictable too, you never know when you are going home with a sexy girl after a single drink or when you are going to spend $150 wining and dining and end up with nothing but the bill and a peck on the cheek.

And I suggest never going into an elite club thinking you have to score that night and that just buying drinks is going to get it done. With that attitude, you'll run into brick walls. It's better to be relaxed and go with the flow. Your chances are much higher if you are just charming and in a positive, confident mood.

You aren't going to teach the Russians anything about partying, but you might just learn something from them. :)

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]When is Russia and out on the town the men pay for everything, period. This admittedly does spoil a lot of the girls. I have met countless girls who just live.. don't work, don't study... just party and live off of other guys money. It isn't all about sex for money either. New Russians are generous with their money, especially when it comes to young females.[/QUOTE]Exactly the Russian girls (which is supposedly 50% of the population) I saw in Riga.

I remember you mentioned that you hardly ever spend anything on your girls, except the really close ones are lucky enough to receive 'gifts'. If this is the case in Russia, how do you overcome this (with students, club-goers, elite girls) considering they're all being spoilt by the NEW Russians on a nightly basis? As we all know, 99% of us can forget about going toe-to-toe with the NEW Russians as the funds from their bottom-less oil money can buy out your entire month's expenditure within 30 seconds.

Hmm, looks likes I've got some serious competition! Then again Skank, at least you won't be there :D I do see what you mean about foreigners being a curiosity. I guess the relative predominance of businessmen over sex tourists keeps us at least a little bit special. I just hope they'll find an Indian speaking broken Russian in an English accent enough of a curiosity :)

To be honest I've never been one to open my wallet and see what sticks to it. I think that approach will either get you laughed at or used - anywhere in the world. The correct approach to spending money is to use it to underline a feeling of warmth and connection that you've already established through conversation and charm.

I'm keen on both the student and elite types - and intend to give both a damn good shot - but at the moment I've got something of a mental block against P4P. I just feel it shouldn't be so easy, so on a plate. Dunno, maybe I have something to prove.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]It isn't all about sex for money either. New Russians are generous with their money, especially when it comes to young females.[/QUOTE]

So they hand out their cash to girlies without even expecting sex in return?

Bloody hell :(

Hey everybody,

as a new poster I do have a question, I will stay in March in the Marriott Grand. Can somebody tell me if they have girls at the bar and if they are girlfriendly or what do you request (i.e. homepages etc.). It is my first time in Moscow and certainly I will post my experience after words here in the thread. Since I do not speak Russian, please no advise for homepages in Russia.

Thank you so much and looking forward to a lot of answers hopefully.

Hello all,

I will be visiting Moscow this months and I will stay at the Marriott Grand. Can anybody tells me if they have Pro's at the bar or do you have any recommendation for escort services (homepage should be in english). Certainly I will post my experience here afterwords.

Why don't you read the first 10 pages.

You'll get your answers...

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Hi there,

I will be getting to Moscow early evening (about 6pm) and landing at Sheremetyevo airport. Have long wanted to visit Moscow and have some fun (!), can anybdy please advise the best course of action (hotel/club etc.) please that will be relaitily straighforward, reasonable cost and successful? I will need to leave lunchtime the next day.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Saunter]Exactly the Russian girls (which is supposedly 50% of the population) I saw in Riga.

I remember you mentioned that you hardly ever spend anything on your girls, except the really close ones are lucky enough to receive 'gifts'. If this is the case in Russia, how do you overcome this (with students, club-goers, elite girls) considering they're all being spoilt by the NEW Russians on a nightly basis? [/QUOTE]Saunter... don't ya know this INFO on here is too 'be taken with a huge GRAIN of SOVIET SALT!

LS Guy

Hi Ruggie,

Look at my last report, contact the web link below, they are experience!

[QUOTE=LifeSavour]Saunter... don't ya know this INFO on here is too 'be taken with a huge GRAIN of SOVIET SALT!

LS Guy[/QUOTE]

LS I think you are wrong.

The ISG forum is here for us mongers to present real information.

We do so from our own perspective, which greatly adds to the accuracy of the overall picture if enough posters provide their information and their perspective on the scene... which as we know is varied and huge in Moscow.

No single monger "absolutely" knows the market... only collectively do we get a clearer picture. Your experience will always be an individual one anyway.

As for me, every experience I ever wrote about is true... and I won't bore you with hundreds more. I do hope and trust that the majority of other posters here post accurate information as well.

[QUOTE=Saunter]Exactly the Russian girls (which is supposedly 50% of the population) I saw in Riga.

I remember you mentioned that you hardly ever spend anything on your girls, except the really close ones are lucky enough to receive 'gifts'. If this is the case in Russia, how do you overcome this (with students, club-goers, elite girls) considering they're all being spoilt by the NEW Russians on a nightly basis? As we all know, 99% of us can forget about going toe-to-toe with the NEW Russians as the funds from their bottom-less oil money can buy out your entire month's expenditure within 30 seconds.[/QUOTE]

You simply approach girls that mesh well with you. My instinct is pretty good at choosing the ones I'll build the best attraction with. This includes banging girls from all society tiers... students, elite girls, intellectual or arty girls and down to girls working in shops, as housewives etc.

If she indeed is one of those that is being spoiled by New Russians every night, indeed you may have problems approaching her. Girls frequently going to glam clubs can be very mercenary and I do get blown off by them sometimes too if I refuse to be generous from day 1... what has worked is finding some unique thing about her or saying something clever that catches her off guard that can allow a conversation to develop. What won't work is "you're so beautiful", "can I talk to you?" or something lame like that.

But even that doesn't always work. I've run into a few brick walls over the years and soon discovered that its a waste of time to smash your head through a wall of stone just to get to the other side for a fuck. It's rarely worth it.

The lifestyle of clubbing will cost you money though.... going out to bars and clubs, buying drinks (even if just for yourself) or eating in restaurants all the time... creating a fun atmosphere can cost some cash and adds up quickly before you even bought a girl a cheap-o but effective $2 paperback present of your favorite author.

Whether or not spoiling all the girls with flash cash presents may have gotten me laid even more often than I did is ultimately irrelevant... because it is a method I refuse to employ simply because it makes me feel more fool than cool.

Everybody has their own methods, but I am happiest and most successful sticking to mine.

[QUOTE=Floflo]Look at my last report, contact the web link below, they are experience![/QUOTE]

Actually I have made arrangements to use their services for my forthcoming trip 06-09 April. As a Moscow newbie, I thought I'd give myself an edge by hiring an insider as a guide.

The guide himself is a cool-looking black guy who, from what I've heard, is an ex nightclub bouncer - is that correct? Do tell me more about exactly what he does for his clients.

From my correspondence with him it seems that he knows which clubs are the best on particular nights and how to get us in. Plus he's got a collection of lady friends to accompany us. I'm certainly expecting more than a glorified pimp (although he's made it clear that a full service is offered in that area too!).

He's charging me EUR 300 for the 3 days.

[QUOTE=Ash1001]Actually I have made arrangements to use their services for my forthcoming trip 06-09 April. As a Moscow newbie, I thought I'd give myself an edge by hiring an insider as a guide.

The guide himself is a cool-looking black guy who, from what I've heard, is an ex nightclub bouncer - is that correct? Do tell me more about exactly what he does for his clients.

From my correspondence with him it seems that he knows which clubs are the best on particular nights and how to get us in. Plus he's got a collection of lady friends to accompany us. I'm certainly expecting more than a glorified pimp (although he's made it clear that a full service is offered in that area too!).

He's charging me EUR 300 for the 3 days.[/QUOTE]

Looking forward to hearing about your experiences!

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]LS I think you are wrong.

The ISG forum is here for us mongers to present real information.

We do so from our own perspective, which greatly adds to the accuracy of the overall picture if enough posters provide their information and their perspective on the scene... which as we know is varied and huge in Moscow.

No single monger "absolutely" knows the market... only collectively do we get a clearer picture. Your experience will always be an individual one anyway.

As for me, every experience I ever wrote about is true... and I won't bore you with hundreds more. I do hope and trust that the majority of other posters here post accurate information as well.[/QUOTE]LS,

Of course I'm not that stupid to take everything on here WORD FOR WORD. It was a general question and I also post information base on what actually happened to me and from what I saw/learnt. When enough posts are put up that closely relates to one another, as Dr Skank said "it adds more accuracy to the OVERALL picture". You need to chill out a bit.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Whether or not spoiling all the girls with flash cash presents may have gotten me laid even more often than I did is ultimately irrelevant... because it is a method I refuse to employ simply because it makes me feel more fool than cool.[/QUOTE]Mate,

I couldn't agree more with you. :)

I am returning to Russia after a too long absence.

Are Night Flight (very expensive) and Doug and Marty's Boar House (cheap)still good mongering locations?

Has the Safari Club returned as the best strip club ever? It had constant full song lap dances for 100 rbl per song with dozens of beautiful women.

Is the Hungry Duck still the wildest dance club ever?

Are Russian women still brutally honest and excited by foreingers?

I fear that after constant tourism I will need to move my mongering out to the smaller towns to get to meet the "real" Russians I fell in love with years ago.

On my last trip the wildest time I had had by far was the night I took two girls from Chesterfields, got them to do lesbian action, and we took pictures of everything. I wanted to repeat that experience on this trip. But Chesterfields didn’t open until late, so I decided to warm up at Safari, which opened early in the day.

I arrived before they were open and they told me when to come back, but when I came back the club still wasn’t open, only the restaurant was, and there was an entrance fee, which wasn’t there the last time a year ago. I hadn’t eaten yet, so I decided not to resist the scam. I had an ok meal and when I was done the club downstairs was open and I found a decent selection of girls. There were two in particular who looked good and they said they would go with me. They told me their price and the price for the room, but I stupidly hadn’t brought enough money.

Mariella, Russia, 23?, looks 9, attitude 7

My hotel wasn’t too far, so went back and got more money, but when I returned only one of the two girls was there, and the other began pressuring me, telling me that the other girl had left. I didn’t know whether to believe her but she was nice, so I decided to go with her. Her name was Mariella. She had jet black hair and a great figure.

Then I discovered that the room had somehow gotten more expensive in the past 30 minutes. I was supposed to pay separately for it at the bar but Mariella insisted on taking my money and paying for the room herself since I didn’t speak Russian. Obviously I was being ripped off, but it was only for an additional 5-10 dollars, and no one at the bar spoke any English, so I didn’t see how to avoid it without telling Mariella to take a hike, and she was the best girl in the club by far at that moment.

So I committed the intolerable sin of agreeing to a rip off, albeit a small one, and off we went. Then there was another problem. The electricity wasn’t working in the rooms, so they were completely dark and we had to get candles, which turned out to be much prettier than a light bulb anyway. There was a good supply of candles on hand, so this didn’t seem to be the first time the power had gone out. There was also no air conditioning, and it was hot, too hot to keep the door closed, so we left it open, which was fun since there were people walking by outside. It was even more fun when one of the hot waitresses came by with more candles and spoke with us to see if everything was ok. The girls had a conversation in Russian while I remained focused on the task at hand. Mariella had to talk between kisses and I finished before the conversation did. It was great having a beautiful sexy girl standing over us watching. Unfortunately I don’t think the waitress was available.

When we were done it was late enough to head over to Chesterfields, which is a 15 minute walk away. When I got to Chesterfields I saw a few familiar faces. Jeanette was there, as was the business oriented black haired girl who still charged $150 and came over still wanting to know why I didn’t want to pay that much. The rest of the selection was mediocre. I danced with a couple of girls who were very nice, but not super knockouts, and all of them wanted $150. One gorgeous girl with red hair danced with me even after I said I didn’t want to spend that much. Maybe it was just a sales technique, but she was very nice and I was tempted, and when I eventually decided against I detected no signs of bitterness. I was really looking for a two girl experience, and I had already had some pleasure that night. But I might have passed up on a nice experience.

As I was leaving I saw Jeanette and mentioned that she never said hello to me. She said it is up to me to approach her if I want to do business with her. She had a harder edge than I remembered from my last visit. I asked her if her blonde friend was around and she said not lately, but that she had another friend. I took a look and the friend was not bad, but it was late so I said we could go together the next night. Jeanette made a face and said that it might not be the same price the next night. I normally don’t buy crap like that, but I was having a hard time finding a threesome, so I said ok for $100 each.

We went outside and Jeanette bitched when I didn’t want to take one of the rip-off taxis that charge 3 times the normal rate. I gave in, but I was starting to have mixed feelings. It was 3 or 4 AM, I had to meet my normal Russian girlfriend for lunch the next day, and I didn’t want to be wiped out. But I had already made a deal ... or had I.

The taxi dropped us off at my hotel and for some reason Jeanette wanted us to hurry inside. She seemed to think someone was watching us or was going to see us. I knew that there were guards inside the hotel who would shake us down if they saw us, but I expected them to be asleep, so we could sneak past them if we were quiet. When we started to walk, however, the girls’ heels made a clattering racket on the hard floor. I should have stopped them and told them to take their shoes off, but Jeanette was in a hurry and I didn’t want to have another argument with her. When we turned the corner into the lobby the guards were out cold. It looked like a scene in a spy movie where they had been drugged or gassed. But no one was going to sleep through those hard shoes banging away on marble. When they woke up and saw us trying to sneak past they didn’t seem happy, but they only charged us a guest fee of 30 dollars, which I think was just the normal rate with no surcharge for trying to sneak in free.

The costs were adding up. $200 for the girls, $30 for the guards, $10 for the rip off taxi, maybe more taxi money afterwards. I was ambivalent already and this gave me a nice excuse to back out. I also liked telling the guards that their bribe price was too high and showing Jeanette that Mr. Moneybags didn’t have infinitely deep pockets for all the me too-ers on that she seemed to attract. I gave them 300 rubles for taxi money and Jeanette pouted and said “it isn’t much.” I looked back at her and she could see in my face that I knew perfectly well it was plenty and didn’t want any s--- about it. I was happy with my decision.

The next couple of days with my girlfriend went well, but then I got a night off. I went back to Safari. I didn’t fall for the restaurant scam again, but I did get hit up for the entrance fee. There were several nice looking girls and I took my time deciding. Meanwhile the lap dance girls were very aggressive. They didn’t seem to like me taking up space on the sofas and not spending money on them.

One girl came by and asked me to move over. I did and she sat down, but right away I realized she didn’t want to sit down, she wanted to do a lap dance for me, so I immediately said no. She told me I owed her 100 rubles and I told her to get lost. She started arguing, threw a tantrum, and then spat at me. This definitely made me nervous. We stared at each other for a moment and then she punched me in the mouth. Any of you who have seen the bouncers at Safari know what a dangerous situation this was. I have no idea how they would have responded if I had hit her back, but the potential downside was catastrophic. I stood up and started shouting what the hell is going on here, what kind of lousy place is this, etc ... A massive bouncer quickly lumbered over with an angry expression on his face, wanting to know what had happened.

I told him that she tried to force me to take a lap dance, then spat on me and punched me, and yet I never touched her. “Ask him” I said, pointing at a Russian guy who was sitting around the same table and had seen the whole thing. He was a complete stranger. I had no way of knowing how much attention he had been paying, whether he might harbor some secret grudge against foreigners, or whether he was the type who liked pulling the wings off of flies. In that moment he was going to decide whether I lived or died, or whether I would ever walk again. The bouncer said something to him and he replied in a dispassionate voice. There was a brief moment of silence and then the bouncer turned to stare at the girl. My life had been spared.

I continued milking my outrage. I was leaving and I was never coming back. I told a couple of cute girls that I had wanted go with them but now I was leaving, so the dancer had cost them money. No one did anything to stop me or quiet me down. I left in a huff. I did everything I could to get the ***** fired, which is what she deserved. Looking back on it I wonder if I could have grabbed her by both arms and dragged her to the bouncer as long as I didn’t hit her, but I can’t imagine that I would ever have taken the chance. What really sticks in my memory is that moment after she spat at me when we were staring at each other and she could see that there was nothing I dared do about it. That infuriates me.

As I walked to Chesterfield’s I could even feel some swelling in my lip, but I was pretty sure it wouldn’t show. The selection was better than on the first night, with a couple of new young faces. I quickly identified two young girls who were friends with each other, and realized that this was a golden opportunity to arrange a threeway. But as I muddled over how to approach them a couple of greasy potbellied older guys got there first. I cursed my luck. They looked pretty and innocent, just what I wanted, and I had a good feeling about their willingness to do each other. It was a waste to separate them. The potbellied guys would have been just as happy with two separate girls who didn’t even know each other. It also disgusted me to think of these fat slobs sweating away on top of such nice girls.

At the bar I started a conversation with an expat who had been living in Moscow for a long time and we compared notes on different places. He was tired and jaded. We agreed that Nightflight had the girls who had been the most gorgeous of any in Moscow ten or fifteen years ago but were no longer at their peak. He encouraged me to go up to any girl anywhere on the street, no matter how gorgeous, and just talk to her. About the same time, I’m not sure if it was before or after I started talking to him, I noticed another pair of young hotties, and started exchanging glances with them. He noticed and told me that if I wanted he was sure I could have both of them for the night for $150. Was I interested?

Hell, yes. He spoke to them in Russian. He did most of the talking and they just nodded, glancing at me occasionally and smiling. He turned to me and said the story was that I was a businessman who was going to be in Moscow for two weeks and was looking for a couple of girls who could keep me happy the whole time. He said for $150 they would stay all night and would leave at about 9 in the morning. He said I should also give them some cab fare to get home. The girls smiled at me while he explained all of this. I told him I was eternally grateful and bought him a drink. I wondered if there was something more I should have done, but I couldn’t think what and he didn’t seem to expect it. We went outside and I flagged down a normal taxi, not one of the leeches who wait in front of the club.

Alona, Ukraine, 21, looks 8, attitude 9 and
Jean, Ukraine, 20, looks 7, attitude 8

They were both from Ukraine. Alona had short curly black hair and a girlish look, with nice b cups. Her friend was Jean, a skinny girl with limp wavy blonde hair, who was almost as good looking, but with a flatter chest. Jean got in the taxi first, and Alona got in the middle. As soon as the car got moving Alona undid the top couple of buttons of her shirt, took my hand and put it inside. We started deep kissing and I took my hand out of her shirt, reached across, and put it in Jean’s shirt. I took Alona’s hand and put it in my pants. I wondered how far we could go in the car, but the hotel was only a few minutes away and we could get stopped by the police.

When we got to the hotel I told them to be quiet, but it was only 1 or 2 AM and this time the goons were awake. The guest fee was the same as it had been a couple of nights before with Jeanette and her friend and it bothered me to have to admit that maybe on second though the amount was reasonable after all. Up in my room we showered and got down to business. They got on either side of me and we started making out. I asked them if they would kiss, and they hesitated, but then said ok, and did it nicely. They each took turns blowing me while I made out with the other, and then they did a double blowjob. I started inside Jean, then did Alona. I had them make out with each other while I was inside them. I asked Alona if I could do cim and she said ok.

Then there was an unpleasant surprise. We showered and they started to get dressed. I stopped them and asked where they were going. They didn’t speak a word of English, but they understood. I wrote 9 AM on a piece of paper and drew a clock. Alona made a rocking motion with her arms; she had to get back to her baby. It was 3 or 4 AM, so I wrote on the paper $150 next to the 9 AM, then drew the current time and wrote $100. They understood and agreed to stay. They were somewhat reluctant, but once the deal had been made suddenly we were very good friends again. Alona began making out with me like crazy and we went straight into another round, with Jean coming over to kiss me once I was inside Alona, and then making out with Alona and rubbing her breasts. This time I came inside Alona.

We washed up and lay down to go to sleep, with each of them on either side of me, lying on my chest. It was great, except for a couple of things. First I had to get up again the next day to meet my girlfriend for lunch, so I needed to get a good sleep. But the mini fridge in the room had a really loud motor, so I got up and unplugged it. When I got back into bed Alona had rolled over and I couldn’t get her to roll back on me. Then I could see that the sky was no longer black, the sun was coming up, so I got up to pull the curtains. Now both girls had rolled over and when I got back into bed I was lying there alone unless I picked one and curled up to her, but then I didn’t get the two girl effect. It was now about 5 AM and they wanted to go at 9, so even if I did manage to get to sleep I was just going to have to wake up in a few hours. There wasn’t going to be another round unless I really pushed them, and I had already gotten spectacular value, so I decided to let them go early.

This was easier said than done. I tried to wake Alona, but couldn’t. She made grumpy faces and pushed my arm away. I woke Jean and let her try to get Alona up. She finally managed, but it took about 5 minutes. It occurred to me that they probably didn’t get a lot of sleep. They nodded right off when I couldn’t get to sleep at all. When Alona woke up and realized why she had been awaken she was happy. I thought of giving them $200 but was cheap in the end, partly because I was letting them go early. They seemed happy with the $150 and I also gave them 500 for taxi fare. Alona gave me her number and told me to call. I didn’t think I was going to have another night free from my girlfriend (I didn’t), and even if I did I didn’t know how we were supposed to communicate on the phone.

Day 1 - Chesterfields

I began my first ever trip to Moscow in Chesterfields. I liked the fun bar atmosphere when I walked it, but it wasn’t clear to me who was working and who wasn’t. My first conversation was with a US serviceman who was with his US girlfriend. He told me that you could meet girls in a lot of the bars in Moscow, but in Chesterfields he knew guys who thought they had gotten lucky and then in the morning the girl wanted money. I said I would be on the lookout for that.

Jeanette, 20?, Russian, looks 7.5, Attitude 9
Friend (name?), 20?, Russian, looks 10, attitude 7

There was a very obvious superstar in the bar that I noticed while I was talking to this guy. She had golden blonde hair, was short, and had a perfect slim hourglass figure and a nice chest. I hoped that she was working (or better yet, that she wasn’t, but wanted to meet me). After a nice conversation I excused myself and tried to catch her attention. I walked past her a couple of times or stood in front of her and tried to make eye contact, but she wouldn’t look at me. So I started to think that she wasn’t working and wasn’t interested in me. Finally I decided that before giving up what the hell I might as well take a direct shot and remove all doubt, so I went up to her and said hello. I think she said hello and when I said how are you she responded by declaring that she only works with her friend and they get 100 dollars each. That wasn’t what I expected. I couldn’t figure out why she ignored me hovering around her if she was working. But it was the second best answer she could have given me, and if her friend looked anything like she did this would be a no brainer.

Her friend wasn’t quite as hot, but was perfectly nice. She was taller and not quite as slim. Her name was Jeanette. She had straight bright red shoulder length hair. Both of them, I later realized, liked to play pool and were good at it. I asked if 200 was for all night and Jeanette said “maybe all night is boring” but they said it would be for a few hours, so they wouldn’t be sleeping over, but that sounded pretty good.

I hoped the couple I had talked to and played innocent with didn’t notice me leaving with two girls. We got a taxi outside. I insisted on getting one that was driving down the street instead of one of the leeches in front of the club. Half way to my hotel we got pulled over by the police. They made me get out of the car and Jeanette translated for me. She said that I needed to show them my passport. Well, I don’t bring my passport to places like Chesterfields. She spoke with them again and then said to me a phrase that I later found to be quite common in Russia: “It is a problem.”

“Problem” meant that I had to get into the car and go with them to the station. I wasn’t scared. In fact I thought it might actually be fun to go down to the police station and watch the bureaucracy at work, even if I was going to be kept up late and miss out on sex that night. I was pretty sure I wasn’t in any real trouble. So I got in the police car.

This wasn’t what they expected. I think they expected I would break down in tears and offer anything at all if only they would please let me go. It was awkward for them when they had to ask me to get back out of the car so we could negotiate a bribe. They asked for 500 rubles and I said it was too much. Jeanette asked me how much I would pay and I said 300 and they accepted that. Only I didn’t have 300 in change, so Jeanette paid for me, which I felt bad about.

So 300 rubles later we were on our way to my hotel and when we arrived there was more corruption to deal with. Hotel security wouldn’t let the girls upstairs unless I paid a fee. It was $30 non-negotiable. So with bribes and taxi this was going to cost about $250 and I was starting to worry that I wasn’t likely to get my money’s worth.

Upstairs there was a woman sitting at a desk, guarding the floor, but she was sound asleep. Jeanette and her friend quickly tiptoed to my room with big smiles, eager to get there before the woman woke up. In the room we chatted before getting started. I tried to act relaxed and not let on that these were the first working girls I had ever picked up in Moscow and didn’t know what to expect. They asked for something to drink, but weren’t fussy when all I had was filtered tap water, so that was a good sign.

My mood improved significantly when the blonde took her shirt off. She was perfect. And when the sex started all worries quickly dissipated. They did an incredible double blow job that included both of them running their tongues up and down me in unison. When I asked them if they would kiss each other they did it passionately. I didn’t ask them to go down on each other because everything was going great, I was much more interested in the kissing, and I didn’t want to risk spoiling the mood. (Or maybe I did ask and they said no. I can’t remember.) I asked if I could do cim and they said no. I finished inside the blonde and we got half dressed and hung out.

We talked and drank water for maybe an hour or more. After a while I was eager to get started again. I thought there was only going to be one more round, and it was already late, so if they weren’t going to spend the night with me I didn’t see any point in staying up all night just to chat. I held out my arms to them and they got up, though I had the impression that they liked hanging out and wanted to be the ones to decide when we got started again. As we started getting undressed I showed them my digital camera, which they were very interested in. I demonstrated it by taking some pictures of them and showing them the results. They liked seeing themselves. They posed and wanted to see the results. Then the pictures became topless. Then they were kissing for the camera (though not nearly as passionately as when we were having sex). Before I knew it I was on top of Jeanette, banging her brains out, and her friend was eagerly clicking away.

After a while I tried to get the friend to come over and make out with me while I finished inside Jeanette, but she would only sit nearby and let me rub her tits. She seemed to think she was done. I wished I had some pictures of me doing her too, but I had been at it for a while and could hardly complain at that point, so I finished up in side Jeanette. They got dressed and I paid. When I was looking through my wallet I saw that I had a few hundred ruble notes that I hadn’t realized were there, so in addition to the dollars I owed them I gave Jeanette back the 300 rubles bribe money that she had paid for me, which I think surprised her. Maybe I also gave them some cab money, I can’t remember. They were really nice, but I wanted them to go so I could get some sleep. Unlike them I wanted to get up before the sun went down the next day.

Day 2 – Chesterfields

I went back the next night, but I felt ambivalent about finding Jeanette and her friend since the hot friend had been standoffish at the end of our encounter. I worried that we might pick up where we left off. The previous night with them had been wild, but there wasn’t much of a personal connection. When I got to the club they were there, but just like the night before they wouldn’t make eye contact with me. Maybe they didn’t want to jump on me and make me feel like I had to take them again just because we were together the night before, or maybe they just weren’t very hard up for customers. I’m sure I could have approached them, but I wasn’t that interested, and since they were only my first Moscow girls I wanted to see if I could do even better.

Unfortunately there wasn’t as much happening this night other than Jeanette and her friend being there. I talked to a couple of girls who didn’t interest me much. One in particular - a dark haired girl who was all business - didn’t look bad, but she wanted 150. There was no way I was going to give her 50% more than Jeanette and her gorgeous friend when she wasn’t even going to mix it up with another girl. I approached several girls who I had mixed feelings about and either didn’t bother to negotiate or if I did I was quoted a high price. In some cases I wasn’t even sure if the girls were available. They didn’t seem to be with guys, but they wouldn’t make eye contact, and some of them stayed in places where it was hard to approach them, like a crowded table. Not everyone there was working, so it wasn’t ok to just walk up to a girl and start talking business to her.

Irena, 23?, Russian, looks 7, attitude 10

I noticed Irena looking at me from the bar a couple of times. She had nice wavy dark blonde hair over her shoulders and a happy, friendly smile. I went over to her and we struck up a conversation. She never mentioned money and didn’t approach me in a direct way, so it looked like I had scored a real pick up. Back at my hotel the guards were asleep when we arrived, so getting to my room was no problem. I didn’t care much since I had a double room and thought that if she wasn’t a prostitute they would have no business telling me I couldn’t bring a guest. In the room there was nothing to make me think she wasn’t my girlfriend. We had a great round of sex that night, followed by another one in the morning. We took our time getting dressed and went out for lunch at a nice place that wasn’t very expensive. (Or maybe it was, by Russian standards. It was that popular buffet place next to the Kremlin.) In any case, she certainly deserved it and I enjoyed it too. Afterwards we toured the Kremlin. Then we came back to my hotel to say goodbye.

I kissed her good bye I was unpleasantly surprised when she asked for money. I said how much, and she said $100, which was reasonable, and I gave it to her, remembering what the serviceman had said to me. I was upset at first that I had been tricked, but I quickly realized that she had not been devious. The night before when we were discussing how long I was in Moscow and what I had seen yadda yadda she asked me where I was staying and then went out of her way to talk about what the rooms were like in different hotels in Moscow, including some nice ones that I’m sure she couldn’t afford. Later when she said she wanted to come with me she wouldn’t leave until the bar closed. Actually, I’m still puzzled by that one, but it should have made me think a little more.

Day 3 - Safari

Safari is a 10 minute walk from Chesterfields and is open during the day. Inside there is a basement with a couple of large rooms that have a bar and lots of soft seating. There are gorgeous girls who walk around and give lap dances, and there are other gorgeous girls who will go to the room with you. You can tell which are the ones who will go to the room with you because they stand around, while the lap dance girls are constantly moving about soliciting or lap dancing.

Natalia, 18, Russian, looks 10, attitude 10

There was an obvious pick for going to the room who was gorgeous with long straight silky blonde hair halfway down her back. Natalia was 18, and she spoke good English. We got a room, which was across an outdoor courtyard. The bj was covered, which was a disappointment and was surprising since I expected everything in Moscow to be on the wild side. But everything else was great, including the kissing. I had an hour with her for one hundred dollars. It wasn’t cheap, but it was for an hour, and I got to do her two times. She gave me her number, but she was leaving the next day to go somewhere with friends. She said I could come see her at the club in the afternoon, but I had already done that and wanted to see her outside. She said ok, but the next day when I called her she was leaving earlier than she thought so it fell through.

Chesterfields

That night I went to Chesterfields again, and again the selection was just soso. Jeanette and her friend were there and the dark haired girl who wanted 150 the night before came over and was pushy about wanting to know why I wouldn’t go with her. Irena was also there, and I went over and had a drink with her. A Russian guy also there tried to get me to do shots of vodka with him, but I couldn’t keep up with him. I didn’t go with Irena even though she was being nice to me and smiling at me whenever I looked over at her. I would have liked her as a girlfriend, but if I was going to pay I might as well have a different girl every night. I did meet a nice girl who didn’t seem to be working, though. She came over and danced with me. I got her number and we agreed to meet the next day.

Day 4 – Safari

Elorussia, 27?, Russian, looks 7, attitude 8

I had time to go to Safari again the next day before meeting the girl from Chesterfields. Natalia was unfortunately not there, so I picked Elorussa, who couldn’t compare, but was fine. She was a mid-20s girl with light brown hair and an ok figure. Same as before, $100, two rounds, and cbj. She was very sweet and attentive. After that I had a nice time with the girl from Chesterfields. We went sightseeing and had dinner together, but nothing happened.

Day 5 – Chesterfields

Zina, 20?, Khazak, looks 9, attitude 8

I spent another day with the nonworking girl from Chesterfields. It was nice, though still nothing happened. My flight left early the next morning, so we said goodbye but exchanged numbers and emails and off I went to Chesterfields to make a bit more of my last night. Same crowd, more or less, but I found Zina, a thin, fit, hot looking girl from Khazakstan, with long black hair. This time the guards were awake when we returned and I had to bribe them to let us up. Another cbj, even though I complained, but again everything else was great. If I had been staying longer I would have tried to spend more time with her. We did a round as soon as we arrived and a round early in the morning. I was packing as she was getting dressed and right after she left I checked out and went to catch my plane.

Here are a couple of reports from two trips I took a few years ago. I didn't post them at the time, so I thought I'd share them now. I hope they bring back some memories of how things used to be (and hopefully they aren't too different now).

They should have an age limit for Moscow hoes. They should be about 23 MAX. I don't care if they barely have pubes, but they've got to retire at some point. I went to a salon at 9 Tatarskaya (the door to the left, ring #39 and walk to the top floor) and there was a gaggle of girls to be picked from last 3am Saturday morning, but no cute nubile under-20's. I picked a blonde, and then when she took off her top I could see that she had this big tattoo running down her arm. To her credit, she gave me an A+ blowjob (with condom, but she was goood) and we fucked twice for 3000 rubles, but. She was 27. She had an 8 year old girl (maybe it was a boy. Doesn't fucking matter). Nothing less sexy than a mother pushing 30 with a fatherless child. I could have had that shit for free.

On the other hand, I'm saving money and little blue pills for the week after school lets out. That's when all of the girls from the sticks come to Moscow to seek out job opportunities and get trapped into prostitution. You can always find er, 18ish girls then. Recent high school grads or college dropouts. That's when you get rich pickings. First week of June.

Guess your mentioned prices do not exist anymore!

Maybe experts in this section can add up some advises about current prices.

Any updated info. will be appreciated especialy for threesomes.

Thanks Catalyst and Blaked for the reports!

Here my take on current prices in Moscow:

As of about 3 months ago, these were the prices I was faced with:

Boarhouse: Starting prices $200-250, later on (or with some persuasion) the prices drop to $150-200. You can find girls in 6-7 quality for $150 with some patience, luck and negotiation. You may have to pay an additional "security fee" of 500 rubles though and on the weekend entrance fee of 250 rubles.

Nigh Flight: Starting prices $300-500, later(or with some persuasion) the prices drop to $200-300. You can find girls in 7-8 quality for $200 with some patience, luck and negotiation. You will have to pay 750 ruble entrance (unless you eat at restaurant first).

Both places have their advantages and disadvantages.

Boarhouse:
+ fun "drink pub" atmosphere w/sports on TV
+ large selection of girls
+ easy to find location across from Kursky Voksal
+ cheaper than NF
+ girls usually with very good attitude
+ no dress code/face control for foreigners
+ sometimes can find absolute newbies
+ occassional freebies
- sometimes girl selection is really shitty
- early in night (0000-0130) prices almost as high as Night Flight
- long expensive taxi ride home, potential militia troubles
- can be smoky and dirty inside
- can be almost as expensive as Night Flight
- occassional drugging/"spiking" of drinks
- some girls been in game too long

Night Flight:
+ refined, classy atmosphere
+ large, good quality selection of women
+ very central location on Tverskaya near Pushkin square
+ nice restaurant in same facility
- prices early in night quite high
- girls can be very mercenary regarding price
- some girls have bad attitude
- some girls been in game too long

Of the two clubs (and although pros can be found in many discos in limited number, these 2 clubs really are the only real "dedicated" pickup bars in Moscow) I prefer Boarhouse... but if prices continue to rise, at some point there will be no difference between the two in terms of price.... and then NF becomes the more attractive club.

Strip clubs, salons/apartments, escort agencies, tochkas and internet are the other primary sources for pro action.

[QUOTE=Across69]I am returning to Russia after a too long absence.

Are Night Flight (very expensive) and Doug and Marty's Boar House (cheap)still good mongering locations?

Has the Safari Club returned as the best strip club ever? It had constant full song lap dances for 100 rbl per song with dozens of beautiful women.

Is the Hungry Duck still the wildest dance club ever?

Are Russian women still brutally honest and excited by foreingers?

I fear that after constant tourism I will need to move my mongering out to the smaller towns to get to meet the "real" Russians I fell in love with years ago.[/QUOTE]

Across69:

Of course everything is subjective, but here's my take:

* Boarhouse and Night Flight still the only "true" pickup bars... see my report below. Boarhouse has gotten more expensive, but can still be fun and affordable.

* Safari Lodge, to my knowledge, still one of the best strip bars.

* Never liked Hungry Duck, but it still exists. I assume you are talking about the 2nd Hungry Duck near Kusnetzky Most. The original Hungry Duck closed several years ago.

* Russian women are still intrigued by foreigners to a degree... but much less so than 5 years ago. The mystique of the foreign man, or even dreams of escape from Russia, have been tempered with time and although it's still remarkably easy to get laid in Moscow for free, it isn't by any means "automatic".

Best targets for "playing the foreigner card" seeking easy sex are young impressionable fun-seeking students (particularly those studying foreign languages), secretaries interested in foreign countries, divorcees and housewife-types looking for romance and adventure. High-octane club girls couldn't care less if you are foreign or not... they are interested in glam lifestyle and in most cases, see the local mini-millionaires as their best option to achieve their goals. Foreigners are considered notoriously cheap in those circles. Don't expect your foreign status to really impress them.

Of course, YMMV and any number of other factors come in to play... looks, sexual attraction, style, money, communication skills and all those things we call "game". A major factor is TIME. If you can spend more than a week in Moscow... even 10 days to 2 weeks... the pussy really starts rolling in.

Having been to many places in Russia and Ukraine, I still find that Moscow for me personally is the easiest place to get laid and has the best women.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank] High-octane club girls [/QUOTE]

Doc, are the elite clubs in Moscow really that filled with so many SMOKING HOT BEAUTIES ?

[URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wprx6IKZUmU&mode=related&search=]Nightlife at L'ETO[/URL]

[URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89ttdfj5lVs&mode=related&search=]Nightlife at OSEN[/URL]

Holy shit !


:)

[QUOTE=Prosal]Doc, are the elite clubs in Moscow really THAT filled with so many HOT BEAUTIES ?

[URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wprx6IKZUmU&mode=related&search=]Nightlife at L'ETO[/URL]

[URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89ttdfj5lVs&mode=related&search=]Nightlife at OSEN[/URL]


:)[/QUOTE]

As a matter of fact, yes they are... :)

[QUOTE=Blaked]...the week after school lets out. That's when all of the girls from the sticks come to Moscow to seek out job opportunities and get trapped into prostitution. You can always find er, 18ish girls then. Recent high school grads or college dropouts. That's when you get rich pickings. First week of June.[/QUOTE]Dr Skank. Is this true? :) Just speaking in general and from your own experience, what time of the year is your most fruitful season anyway?

[QUOTE=Saunter]Dr Skank. Is this true? :) Just speaking in general and from your own experience, what time of the year is your most fruitful season anyway?[/QUOTE]

It's true that early June is when exams are over. Not sure if it is best time to hunt for girls coming to the city looking for money, but sounds reasonable to me. Never really noticed a difference personally though.

Generally speaking, the summer months July-August are the slowest in Moscow... many people leave the city and in general club action... even business... slows down. This is true for much of EE.

That doesn't mean you can't have fun in Moscow in the summer... in other ways it's very pleasant. Clubs aren't nearly as full as in the fall/winter season and there are some really nice outdoor discos and events which are very good for meeting people.

My favorite seasons for girl-hunting are the dead of winter and spring. Spring feelings, this biological instinct to reproduce (or at least go through the motions) is real and Russian girls feel it too. It used to be called miniskirt season as many girls started wearing skimpy clothes in April-May, however Moscow girls switched to tight jeans a few years ago and regrettably the mini-skirt isn't as omnipresent as it was in the late 90's-2002.

In any case, Spring is good. Only thing to watch out for is exam times... Russian institute/university is pretty tough and girls take their studies quite seriously.

Overall though, there really is no bad season... every time of year has it's charms.

Hi,

I will be passing through Moscow. Albeit briefly. Is there a decent hotel that will allow meeting some WG's etc?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]My favorite seasons for girl-hunting are the dead of winter and spring.[/QUOTE]Thanks. It seems your favourite seasons in Russia and Ukraine are the same as mine for Latvia and Lithuania!!

No surprise there with Spring but I actually thought late-May/June was better? Since as you said, they do take their studies quite seriously and would be pretty busy with end of semester exams, ie. April/mid-May. After all, getting a degree is all they have going for them before they graduate to either end up in a low paid job or bite the bullet to start tricking in its various forms.

I used to dread the winter onslaught and when it hit -35c once, I couldn't figure out how these people could put up with that shit and why I would ever want to visit EE again, let alone relocate. Then I realised there is absolutely nothing else to do but stay indoors and fuck the brains out of your girls, for hours on end... for the whole of winter :) However, they do seem to make an effort to all get together with the family during Christmas and this is a good time to take a break for yourself, IMO. Besides that, most of October-March is an absolute goldmine out in the clubs/bars.

Sometimes I prefer not to know their silhouette as easily as Spring-time. When they rip their coats off to show a 5'9" lith slavic body and strip their lingerie off like a pro-stripper, then charge at you like a tiger in heat... now that's HOT ;)

[QUOTE=Saunter]After all, getting a degree is all they have going for them before they graduate to either end up in a low paid job or bite the bullet to start tricking in its various forms[/QUOTE]

Quite true for the rest of the FSU but I think Moscow is the exception. There are women in their 20s and 30s earning very good (by Western standards) salaries in law and banking.

They're probably not that common but, just think - that dyev you're chatting up in some glam club may well be earning more than you..

I have been reading your posts. There are places where you can find better looking white women for less money. I envy Moscow because there is so much selection. But there are places with better looking white women for slightly more money in Europe an where the percentage of people living with AIDs is. 1%, lesser than the US. I know that on my first trip to Europe, wearing a condom, I still caught a bacterial infection that grew into a cyst from the first girl I fucked. Fortunately, it was only a skin infection. I have learned a lot from this Board. I picked up a 19 year old American girl in the US and a month later threw her out. I still roam the bars by myself. I had a bad night one night and sat there by myself and around 2: 00 am, a young blonde came over and sat on my lap. I had not said anything; she just chose to get drunk and come sit on the lap of a middle age man. I go to Europe when I have had a few bad months. But I still keep my costs down because I need the money for the future. I still look for girls in the US because long term, this is a very dangerous game. I don't get desperate. That is why I threw the 19 year old girl out. I don't worry about what people think. That is why I had enough balls to sit in a bar like a loser long enough for the blonde to get drunk and come sit on my lap. Yes, I know that if I were in Europe, I would not have had to wait that long and would not have to do all that work. But then I would also be at a greater risk of getting AIDS. It's all about managing risk. You have to diversify and have a variety of strategy. I would continue looking for a freebie in your home country regardless of how people look at U. Europe is a good escape when you have a few dry months of no sex with a hot girl. Choose your country wisely. There are countries out there with girls for less money and less AIDs risk. But that is something you need to find on your own. This Board has a lot of information.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]
My favorite seasons for girl-hunting are ................... when I am in heat which covers every month of the year. :-))

Overall though, there really is no bad season... every time of year has it's charms.[/QUOTE]

with apologies to Dr. Skank, but I simply could not resist butchering his response.

Guy#2, what is your home country, the place where you were born?

Fire breaks out at Moscow strip club 911, killing 10...

[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070325/ap_on_re_eu/russia_nightclub_fire[/url]
[url]http://top.rbc.ru/index1.shtml?ext=1[/url]
RIP to our fallen soldiers. Hope all the babes made it out OK.

Man, the news of 911 burning done on the front page of CNN even brought me out of slumber.

Two foreigners among the dead, supposedly Bulgarians. How embarassing. This is pretty much on top of my list of the shittiest ways to die, next to being slowly devoured by a horse.

And now where am I going to pick up strippers next time I'm in Moscow?

Don't get me wrong. I appreciate and applaud all of your reports. I went to the same bar last night and left after an hour. I guess I am spoiled by Europe. The great thing about Europe is that I can say fuck you to the girls in the States. I have a few friends who are married and one guys makes almost 500k a year but he is miserable because his wife runs the whole show. It is all about money as I suspected. I know there is a Baptist church in Texas where all the men are in their 60s and the women are in their 20s and they are just starting to have kids. But a lot of these women are former *****s, I. E. Prior boyfriends and husbands. And I know that the young girls on MySpace are fucking 6-7 guys a year. So there really is no difference between a freebie and an escort. Either way, you pay for it. Yes, there is a slight exception if you find a beautiful girl who likes you for who you are, though that is rare because white girls are fucking at a young age. In any event, that is why you want to find a strategy to continue doing this and not giving away the house. Keep posting.

Thanks.

Hi!

Yes, I tried Veronika and Ira last week. The performance was just ok - her attitude - ok

I tried as well Marina - she was active and very willing to please. Very tight pussy...

100$ for 1 hour

The pictures on website are heavily "photoshopped" - but anyway body of girls 7-8

Location very close to Tverskaya and rooms and bath definetely clean.

I stayed at Marriot Aurora(overpriced!!!) - waited in Lobby for friend and I mentioned a young tall and slim girl coming into the hotel. Model type body but with small firm butt...she sat down after a while she went to reception and asked if she can use the elevator. Answer was no. Phone call to a room. Bel- boy brought her to room.

I really would like to know this escort service of such classy girls. So in hotel which choice you have ? "Where" - [url]www.viprest.ru[/url] or com ?? Can somebody give me an advice?

Somebody Has Experience With This Agency?

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Hi,

I sincerely appreciate your reports, but...

[red][u]Would you please STOP capitalizing the first letter of EVERY word in your reports![/u][/red]

It's difficult to read, it's time consuming to fix, and it takes you more work to write like that.

On behalf of myself and your fellow Forum Members: [i]Thank You![/i]

Jackson[/blue]

Yeahh..agree...married or not..one way or the other...money goes to women at the end...If you make 1000 dollar a month or 10,000 dollars a month..you will spend it proportionality on women :)

After 10 years of living like an animal, im begining to find..there is more to this world than p4p...for start socialising is the best way to meet normal women around you.

In our neighborhood or town itself..if we socialise we could get 10 to 15 women easily from desperate house wifes to college chicks all are within our range..we just need to socialise more.

[QUOTE=Guy #2]Don't get me wrong. I appreciate and applaud all of your reports. I went to the same bar last night and left after an hour. I guess I am spoiled by Europe. The great thing about Europe is that I can say fuck you to the girls in the States. I have a few friends who are married and one guys makes almost 500k a year but he is miserable because his wife runs the whole show. It is all about money as I suspected. I know there is a Baptist church in Texas where all the men are in their 60s and the women are in their 20s and they are just starting to have kids. But a lot of these women are former *****s, I. E. Prior boyfriends and husbands. And I know that the young girls on MySpace are fucking 6-7 guys a year. So there really is no difference between a freebie and an escort. Either way, you pay for it. Yes, there is a slight exception if you find a beautiful girl who likes you for who you are, though that is rare because white girls are fucking at a young age. In any event, that is why you want to find a strategy to continue doing this and not giving away the house. Keep posting.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

hi,

I'm back from Moscow and I think it is nothing compared to St -Pete!
The salons some members mentionned are about 6000 r. which I think is overpriced for Russia
Also, they seem to be much less client-oriented in Moscow, as if there are so many clients that you are nothing to them. So I didn't go to these salons (maybe next time).

Rather l had some OK experiences by calling some girls to my home for 3500-4000 two hours... most of the times Ukrainians and not so good looking, maybe 4-7 . I got the newspaper "Rendez-vous" (Randevou) and tried the phone numbers of agencies. Some will accept outcalls, some not. The system is that a dispatcher wright down your expectations and address. Shortly after some other smaller agency calls you back and asks you the same questions. If you are lucky one or 2 girls will come in 30 minutes, if you are not lucky one ugly girl will come in 1 or 2 hours...
tip: meet them down the building, rather than at your door. Then it will be easy to refuse if you are not interested.

Also had a strange experience in a massage salon, as I discovered there is no sex service (first time I see that in Russia). But it was cheap and still a good experience, as the girl really tries to please you by doing good erotic massage, she was wearing panties but finished naked on demand. She wanked my cock in 69 position so I could see all her ass from close.
At the end I am sure she was expecting a tip but I tip only if that was something extraordinary and I am in an extraoridnary mood. I would rather tip a girl who gets fucked hard, than a massagist that only wanks cocks. Please don't tip also, otherwise all girls will expect tips all the times and start showing bad attitude if you don't. The price you pay is quite high for your own finances and should include everything. A great service should be the norm. And there are other ways to retribute a girl than giving extra money at the end... cheers

With the smell of one nice dyev from N.F. still in my bed, I wanted to write a few lines before the memories start fading away....
I arrived to Moscow last saturday night from Barcelona via Praga.... not so bad if you compare with other options like amsterdam or even Stockolm!
Well, following some of the advices of the forum, I had made my homework and had contacted a few normal ladies in advance through one of the dating sites around....
With a few dates in the pocket scheduled for sunday morning, sunday evening and monday (early afternoon and late evening), I decided to go hunting on saturday night... despite of the fact that I had to wake up early and that I was exhausted from an ultra complicated week at work...
First stop, Real Mcoy, 250m from my apartment, so it seemed perfect for a first beer. As the guys from exile.ru like to say "I bet that you can't leave Real Mcoy after only one drink". Well, I have to say that it's not my favorite place, but it was certainly lively and with a lot of potential material. IMHO, 99.99% perfectly normal girls, students, assistants, etc... Mosty 4-6, a few solid 7's and maybe one good 8. I started talking to one of the 7's, Natasha (hey, aren't they always called Natasha?), 21y.o. student from the university. Surprinsingly approachable, specially if you compare to western standards (did I say that I love Russia?? ----and Ukraine too!!!). Unfortunately, the place was crowded, and when I went to order a drink, I needed almost 10-15min to come back , and some other guy was playing his cards with Natasha... (if you are in the same situation as me, imagina thaat, nice 21 Moscow student laughing and holding your hand, and suddenly you want a drink......go and bite your tongue or buy a tequila from the nice girl selling tequila shots right on the dance floor....) but DON'T LEAVE THE GIRL!!!, hey, it's a jungle outthere... ;-)
After loosing my chances with Natasha (I even couldn't get her number, shame on me!), it was late (around 2:30) and wanting to play moderately safe, and being almost a Moscow newbie, I ended, just you can imagine..., in D&M Boar House... Horny as hell, and wanting a nice double act to compensate my bad movement before, I started to look for two nice blondikas to share my bad for the night... At that time on a saturday, not an incredible good selection... not a single 8, very few 7's (and all of them alone --- meaning not in pairs, and I have learned that if you want a decent duo/lesbi action, they need to be friends before....) being quoted 400USD EACH, at 3:30am or 4:00am!!!!! ridiculous, and I promise that I wasn't flagging a 20k Euros watch or anything.... ;-) I declined and went to Night Flight, were I wasn't able to get in because they had just closed, last shot, Rasputin, no way, also closed... Damn Luck, time was running out, and my first night in moscow wasn't going too well. I tried a few phone numbers collected from a dating site (from scorts), but considering my almost not-existant russian, i couldn't get much results... it wasn't my night, so I decided to cut my losses, go to sleep and save the almost zero energy left for the following night....
But that's another story... It's 6:20am and I should get some rest before my 9:00am meeting.
---to be continued....

I'll soon be in Moscow again!

And I'm searching for a couple of twins, unfortunately I found them on [url]www.dosug.nu[/url] only when I was not in Moscow! Of course the price was hagh (in 2005-6 600/800 USD a night).

Somebody knows a couple, or a internet site, or a brothel?

I enclose some olad pictures from dosug, so you understand what I'm searching for.

Help will be greatly appreciated!

IT

PS in the pics there are three couple of twins, the last is the best!

[QUOTE=One O Nine]Man, the news of 911 burning done on the front page of CNN even brought me out of slumber...

...And now where am I going to pick up strippers next time I'm in Moscow?[/QUOTE]

Safari Lodge, maybe? Just be careful that you don't get spat at and punched :) (see #1080)

[QUOTE=Fredyann]Hi Guys!

I am in Moscow right now till the 7 april. If anybody wants to join for a night let me know. You can leave me your number or send a PM. I have not chosen where to go yet![/QUOTE]Hey Fredyann,

I am in Moscow right now also until the 8th. It would be fun to hit some bars with somebody that does speak English!. Send me a PM if you are still around.

I was back to Moscow for a few days. I have visited some classical places. I went out 3 night. 2 night I went to Boar House and was always many girls. Just a few are good (in my opinion) but this place is changing too much and prices are nearly same as Night Flight for the best girls. So each time I finished at Night Flight as this place is really great for the eyes (and more ;-)) So first night I picked up a Kazak girl named Sayora. Very nice kisses, sweet, BBBJTC, classic sex. She is very good looking with an asian type. We had a good fun. Fee 300 Euros for the short night (2 AM till morning). Second night I went back again to NF and she was not there. As she sent me few SMS during th day I sent her a SMS while I was at the club and surprise she came in half an hour after. I stopped my discussion with other girls and picked Soraya again for 200 Euros.

For my last evening I had another visit at Boar House to try to meet one member from the forum but we didn't catch each others so I decided to go back to Night Flight because it is really one of the place in this worl where you have the best density of top girls and this makes me mad !! For the last night I went for Oksana, a tall girl with very long black haired girl (she is 1,77 meter talled). She has really a model look with perfect slim body, nice tits siliconed. I asked her what she likes and she was offering a total full service. For those who like Anal sex well, this is the most powerfull experience of my life. This girl really like Anal and takes a full pleasure. I rarely see this and she has a so wonderful butt... I have also kept her number because she was really amazing. Not as sweet as Soraya but a very strong physical sex experience !! Fee : 300 euros.

So about this trip I would say that moscow is getting very expensive now if you want top girls. Some years ago it was much less. I think Night Flight is still better with better girls than Boar House. I would be very happy if some melmbers have some other places in Moscow for my next trip. I'm sure there must be some other places maybe with more "less pro" girls.

Hi all,

I will be visiting Moscow next week, I am kind of scared of getting laid because I am a native Chinese, I don't know if the girls at Moscow will do a Chinese person. But I live in the USA For a long time. Any advice for getting the hotties in moscow? Do you guys ever seen a asian dude get laid in moscow, especially 3somes? Thx

[QUOTE=Chenheyan9]Hi all,

I will be visiting Moscow next week, I am kind of scared of getting laid because I am a native Chinese, I don't know if the girls at Moscow will do a Chinese person. But I live in the USA For a long time. Any advice for getting the hotties in moscow? [/QUOTE]

In terms of pros, if you pay, they play. For any race.

For freebies, methinks you'll have a tougher time. The more modern or monied you look in terms of style and dress, the better. Asian looking guys dressing average or "local" could get confused with central Asian guys (Kazaks, Kirgizi etc.) and those guys aren't exactly known as ladies men. You'd probably be well-advised to advertise the fact that you live in the US. From my understanding, Chinese guys aren't the most popular in Russia. Just my 2 cents, but I am not really an expert on Asian dudes in Moscow... maybe some Asians who have been there can offer better and current advice... :)

[QUOTE=Chenheyan9] Do you guys ever seen a asian dude get laid in moscow, especially 3somes? Thx [/QUOTE]

And no, I've never actually SEEN an Asian dude get laid in Moscow, but I am sure it has happened... :)

There's this salon (brothel) at 9 Tatarskaya, apartment 39 that has about 60 girls and high turnover. It's pretty good on the weekends, and it's about 3000 rubles per hour. None of them speak English. Some girls come in from other cities to work there on the weekends for a few hundred easy bucks. Again, I don't recommend Moscow for ***** trips - your best bet is somewhere more out-of-the way unless money is no object.

[QUOTE=Fredyann]So about this trip I would say that moscow is getting very expensive now if you want top girls. Some years ago it was much less. I think Night Flight is still better with better girls than Boar House. I would be very happy if some melmbers have some other places in Moscow for my next trip. I'm sure there must be some other places maybe with more "less pro" girls.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Asian looking guys dressing average or "local" could get confused with central Asian guys (Kazaks, Kirgizi etc.) and those guys aren't exactly known as ladies men.[/QUOTE]

Hey Doc

True.

A lot of Russians look down on THESE Asians because in general, they regard them as the (colored-skinned mixed Russians) lower-class coming in for a better life from their shit-hole towns or 'stan' countries. With a lack of tertiary education and professional qualification, they end up doing the most menial jobs or most commonly, selling their wares in those open air markets and stalls. But that is all changed now due to the recent retail law changes. In spite of this 'those low lifes', the average white Russians are not happy because now they have to buy the same stuff with jacked up prices in modern supermarkets.

Of course they are not known as 'ladies men'. These 'Asian' men aren't exactly the cream of the crop (if there is even one) from their countries. They're in Russia because their life back home is so fucked up that Russia (which is fucked up to us if you were an average joe) seems to promise a better future.

This is the same as all the Eastern Europeans who flooded the UK and parts of the EU for work, when 10 new member states joined in 2005. They're also not known to be 'ladies men' either. The Russian dispora around the world are probably also being looked at in this same way too, through the eyes of a westerner. So it's different if a guy was Polish/American and visiting England, comparing to a labourer from Poland who speaks little English and picking up shit all over London and still manages to send money home every month.

Which brings up the following rant...


[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]From my understanding, Chinese guys aren't the most popular in Russia.[/QUOTE]

I would say even as a generalisation, it's near bullseye. I have a mixed Asian heritage as well. Because of who I am, I tend to take more notice of these things and am probably better in spotting this directed to myself or others around me who are in the same boat.

I'm only speaking from a the point of view of someone who has seen the Baltic countries, so I can't comment on the real situation within Russia/Ukraine/Romania etc... What I can say is that Latvia (50% of its population are Russians) certainly gave me an eye opener and a good guide in the mentality of Russians towards East Asians.

I can summarise the Russians in Latvia into two types.

1. Racists - they just don't like you because of your skin color and there's nothing you can do about it. It can be open, subtle, or just ignoring your existence. Doesn't have to be a skinhead. You will see many Russians trying to impress their girlfriends by taking them to Chinese restaurants because its 'classy and expensive' but still they look down on them.

2. Xenophobic - broken into two types.

- a. They are generally curious and interested about Eastern culture and even study it as a side major in university. They will talk to you because they are curious and are blown away by the fact that this Asian is speaking perfect English and is as western as any European, if not for his skin, he could be 'more' interesting. So this is generally a simple 'out of curious' friendship.

- b. They even become very, very close friends with you and you become part of their social group. But they can never imagine doing anything intimate with you. Because they just don't get off on it automatically.


Now there are always exception to the rule. And when you play the numbers game, you'll still score for sure. Especially in these parts of the world, MONEY TALKS. Sometimes, it simply comes down to your game and you might even surprise yourself (with all these hurdles) that it's also possible to pull a model-type from various places of the social scene. I know this from personal experience.

My advice to you is, you've obviously made the decision to go. So don't concentrate on the negative. Make the most of it and you will come out further and feel more rewarded when you have conquered in spite of the extra hurdles due to the color of your skin.

Don't take things too personally from these hoes. Why?

Only ~15yrs ago, the USSR was still rationing people to 2 pairs of shoes every 5 years. Their entry to the Western lifestyle was not built like ours which took the last 60yrs to build after WWII.

No. They have just been bombarded with ads, shopping malls, brands etc... all within a mere 10yrs. That does something funny to their minds. It's call culture shock/overload. They only understand what is marketed to them and have absolutely no sense in their own identity.

In Latvia, I saw ethnic Russians falling all over the most ugly African/Americans or full blooded Indians because its the closest thing they can get to Diddy, Usher... from all the MTV they're watching. Even the Indians got in on the act. They fly over on their $99 Ryannair flights and say 'oh I'm mixed Indian/Black and from England' to score. But if you were to say you were just Indian or African (as in, actually from Africa), they'd stick a ten foot pole in between because they would consider you dirty and 'low'. So their taste for you as an 'exotic' black person rest solely on being sold by the media, entertainment, fashion industry - pretty much the same thing for the middle-class white girls in England and USA.

So why are Asians more short changed? Well, how are they represented in the American media and entertainment? Can you name one Asian as the lead anchor or acting role that carries a show? They're still slipped in as the 'token' Asian guy. Not someone like a Denzel Washington.

It is not just in this region, but back home in comfortable America, Asians are still only regarded as the book worms, geeks, white collar soldiers, point dexter bodies. How many Asians you know are regarded for their looks or body?

Until Asians in the western world find their own vibe and somehow shake off this stereotype, these hurdles will remain everywhere around the world.


RANT ENDS.

Now if you bother to take some time in reading the previous posts by so many veterans here, there's a lot of heads-up you can walk away with. Follow the tried and tested methods while testing your own experiments. DRESS SMART, act like a gentleman, know how to play and control the (mind) game, take hints from watching the local men (I'm not asking you to treat them like a Russian but you learn about them by understanding what a woman's world is like in these conditions) and you'll know what buttons to push or not push.

Doc ... are my views wrong as to why Chinese Asians aren't exactly popular in Russia or Ukraine?

[QUOTE=Saunter]
Now there are always exception to the rule. And when you play the numbers game, you'll still score for sure. Especially in these parts of the world, MONEY TALKS. Sometimes, it simply comes down to your game and you might even surprise yourself (with all these hurdles) that it's also possible to pull a model-type from various places of the social scene. I know this from personal experience.

[/QUOTE]

Wow great post dude..hats off...I'm asian myself and couldn't have said better.

1. Timing & Weather
I thought that the week end I picked to visit Moscow for the first time - the one just gone - would be a normal weekend in the Slavic world as it coincided with the Western Easter, and the Orthodox and Western calendars are 'out' by a few weeks. This is always true for Christmas BUT once every few years or so Easter is actually on the same day! And that is what happened this time. So I guess I was experiencing Moscow in quieter-than-normal mode. This, coupled with the schizophrenic weather - alternating hourly between snow and sun - made me think that I would be seeing Moscow in a rather untypical state.

2. The Guide
As I was a total Moscow newbie visiting on my own, I thought I might need some help. To this end, I hired a local guide by the name of Raphael (still don't know his surname, but PM me for his email address) to show me the best of Moscow by day and night, and generally provide some security whilst walking around and travelling on the metro. He also arranged my transport and accommodation (a 1 bed flat in Tverskaya Ulitsa about 150m from the Kremlin).

Raphael ([url]www.dreammoscownights.com[/url]) specializes in showing the best of Moscow to Westerners with some cash to spend. He's really very good at what he does: apart from being fluent in Russian, English, French and Italian, he can strike up a conversation with just about any girl or group of girls on the street or in a nightclub or shopping centre. Part of his service is to make such introductions on your behalf. I'm usually pretty good at this myself (we were playfully competing at one stage) but if you're naturally shy or reserved, then this could be particularly useful for freebies. Being black in Moscow, he tends to get more than his fair share of attention. On the first night, whilst eating in La Cantina, a late 30s woman said to him: "I like black. I want you" and gave him her number. Surely it can't be that easy?

He's also got an interesting outsider's perspective on the Russian way of doing things and their attitudes to money, spending, sex, girls, foreigners, race and just about anything else. I felt his insights were invaluable - more about this later.

3. Nightlife
The first night, Friday, after eating at La Cantina and checking out the talent, we decided to do CF/Boarhouse followed by Fabrique. He rates the latter as his favourite club in Moscow.

The first thing that strikes you about CF is the sheer number of working girls, all hanging around the entrance and pool table. Most of them were quite attractive I thought, in a rather girl next door kind of way. No supermodels, but I've always preferred natural looking girls. And, Moscow WGs seem to be very into their sexy thigh length boots.. I didn't pick one that night as I thought I'd hunt for a freebie instead. To find the freebies you have to go much deeper inside the place, to where the dancefloor is. Unfortunately, maybe due to the Easter effect, non WGs were thin on the ground. I struck up a conversation with a red haired girl called Anya who didn't speak much English but after about 5 minutes a Turkish-looking guy came along and grabbed her, sweeping her onto the dancefloor. Anya had a fat friend with her, who spoke perfect English, and explained that he and Anya were 'sort of' together. 'Sort of?' I asked, or 'Actually?'. 'Sort of' came the reply..

I danced with a couple of nice looking WGs and spoke to one. She was friendly and fun but wanted RBL 10 000 for the night. And she didn't budge from that price. Is this normal for CF? I thought this was what you could expect to be quoted at NightFlight, but I suppose there's no reason why the CF girls should rate themselves any lower.

I made a mental note of the hot WGs at CF and left for Fabrique with Raphael. Fabrique is a large and impressive club that seems to get an interesting mix of affluent business types and students. Lots of attractive girls, many of them in small groups without guys, some with men sitting at expensive looking reserved tables. I made many approaches and I'd say about 1 girl in 3 spoke English well. I must say I found it hard to get any real traction. Most girls seemed uninterested in talking until I mentioned I was from London. London seems to ring a bell in this city due to all the high profile oligarchs who have moved there. Being from London seemed to suggest money to them, and the conversation soon progressed to getting a table together. But I wasn't playing that game. The local guys were buying drinks right, left and centre and I felt that splashing the cash here wasn't really going to achieve much. Raphael told me that a Russian guy here would think nothing of spending $1 000 on a table with a couple of girls, and not expect any sexual favours from them. Christ.

One 'interesting' experience I had at Fabrique was that a huge (6'6" and fat) Russian guy kept coming up to me, slapping me on the shoulder and demanding to know where I was from. Using words like "Hey you, you from Saudi, yes? You African? What?" (I'm of Indian origin). When I coolly said I was from London he said "No you not English, you Saudi, you from Dubai. Or you African". He wasn't giving up, and kept following me around the club. I asked Raphael what I should do in this situation, and he said I should relax because the guy was probably just trying to be friendly. So, I went up to him and told him I was from India but living in London. Which was the answer he wanted - he became very friendly, shook my hand and introduced himself, telling me he did a lot of business in India and knew the country very well. Quite a nice guy really. In the Russian style.. We called it a night at Fabrique around 4am.

The plan for the following night (Saturday) was that Raphael was going to line up one of his friends for me as a freebie. They had an understanding, said Raphael, which meant that if he told her to 'do' one of his friends, she would, as a favour to him. Right-o. But please give her $30 or so taxi fare at the end as a token of your appreciation, he explained. After some sightseeing during the day we went shopping for Martini, potato chips and zakuski, the things that unpretentious Russian girls like. Raphael gave me her number and told me she was a banker who speaks perfect English. We spent the day SMS flirting, which I found quite a turn on. Unfortunately, when she turned up she was actually not very good looking at all, and I felt that I had to end this house party quickly and get out of the situation (In all fairness to Raphael, most of his other close female friends had gone home for Easter so he'd had to improvise). So we made something up about just having got a text from an old friend of mine who's in Moscow for 1 night only and is waiting for me in Diagilev. Raphael did seem a little irritated by my rejection of his efforts. He told me "In Russia we don't behave like this. It doesn't matter whether you like a girl so much or not. Even if you are not moved by her looks you behave like a man and sex her (sic) anyway. Now you have insulted her." I agreed that I had something to learn about the Russian way of doing things and we took a taxi to Diagilev. May as well live the lie!

By the time we got to Diagilev - the newest and hottest of the 'elite' clubs - it was late, the weather was cold and the situation was looking grim. A large group of people was waiting outside, everyone eagerly awaiting the nod from the clipboard nazi that confers entry. The situation was exacerbated by the fact that First had temporarily closed for some reason connected with tax/drugs/whatever and that clientele was coming to Diagilev. There were some very glam girls who looked like they had been waiting a long time, and we figured that our chances didn't look too good. It appeared that those people who got straight in were the ones who had pre-booked minimum spend tables. (This is just the type of shit you get in London. Exactly the same.)

So instead we went to the next-door Parizhskaya Zhizn, or Parisian Life, which appeared to be absorbing the Diagilev rejects, some of whom were pretty decent looking girls. Now, this club is a different cup of tea. Inside, it's quite homely, with pool tables on the lower floor. It's basically like a bar with an attached dancefloor rather than a dance club per se. Once again, some nice girls, but many of them with boyfriends or in groups with guys. They seemed much less interested in talking than the ones at Fabrique. Far fewer spoke English and they weren't particularly keen to understand my Russian. Even in this rather more down to earth place there were guys buying several rounds of Tequila shots for their group, easily spending $100 or more. Doing this at 112 in Kiev, say, will get you admiration from a group of student hotties on a night out. I wasn't even going to bother here.

At around 3am I went to Safari Lodge. I actually had trouble getting in! The bouncer made up something about needing a club card on that particular night. His bluff was called when a group of Scandinavians, including a black guy, were all let straight in. They stuck up for me and managed to talk the bouncer into letting me in. Emphasising I'm from London appeared to do the trick (what a surprise). Once inside, things were happier. At only RBL 200 a time for a hands-on, climb-on-top-of-you lap dance, I had about 10 from a really cute little blonde. I even gave her a foot massage. After about an hour and a half of this I was tired so went home to sleep.

My final night, Sunday, was going to be devoted to ladies of the P4P persuasion. I hit NightFlight at 10.30pm and had dinner at their (truly excellent) restaurant. Later I went downstairs to the bar/pick up area and saw about 5 WGs at the most, and about twice as many guys. Including a group of Australians who found it highly amusing to offer 500 rubles every time a girl asked for $500 !! I can imagine that the place would be packed on a normal week end. Since it was Easter Sunday, the regular crowd of girls must have all been in church.. where else.. ?

I ended up choosing Natalia, a tall, curvy, friendly and cute blonde. All the negotiation in the world wouldn't get her below $400. Nice DFK, but no BBBJ so didn't bother with oral sex at all. I don't think this is a great deal by any means, but I was really running out of options and wanted to fit something in before my flight the next day.

4. Day Game
This, in my opinion, is where Moscow really comes into its own and justifies the large costs incurred in staying here. Whilst sightseeing in Victory Park, I struck up a conversation with two eighteen year old students. I basically went up to them and asked "Zravstvuite, vui govoritye po angliski?" They did speak angliski, and in about 10 minutes I had persuaded them to take the metro with me to Tverskaya for coffee and cake. It's a shame I was leaving the next day but this incident really shows what's possible with ORDINARY girls.

5. Costs
I live in London and am used to very high prices, but Moscow is expensive by global standards, particularly good restaurants and decent accommodation. It is in NO WAY a cheap mongering destination. Although the prices for WGs are probably half those for girls of a comparable standard in London, what you'll pay to get here, eat and stay here will make it cheaper to stay in London and hire an escort. But if you like the atmosphere - the combination of glamour and edginess - I suppose there's no substitute for actually being here. But from the girl/sex perspective the clubs have nothing that far cheaper places in the FSU don't have.

Raphael, the Moscow guide: EUR 300 + expenses for 3 days and nights
Accommodation: $190 per night
NightFlight Girl: $400-$500
Chesterfields Girl: $300-$400
Regular nightclub: $70++
Elite club: $20 000 is by no means unusual :)
Decent restaurant: $100+ per head
Top restaurant $250+ per head

6. General Thoughts
Moscow has an undercurrent of racism that is reminiscent of the UK in 1950s. It generally manifests itself as some low paid loser deciding not to let you into 'his' club. I have to emphasise that the girls themselves don't seem to be racist. But some of the guys who think you might get them definitely are! Of course, the men with cash, prospects and girls have far better things to do than hate people of a different appearance or nationality.

Otherwise, Moscow really is a LOT like London. Similar clubs, similar cool-to-cold attitude, similar sky high prices and affluent, free spending locals. At least in the clubs, no one's interested in meeting you just because you can afford to buy drinks or because you are foreign and 'interesting'.

To be honest I perhaps didn't get the club angle quite right, but at this stage I can't say exactly what I did wrong: I'm a confident, decent looking guy who dresses smartly and speaks some Russian. The thing is, you never know exactly what's going on in their heads. Then again, maybe it was just bad luck.

However, I'm convinced that if I'd had more time I would have really made headway with the freebies you meet on the street. With the weather improving and university holidays approaching, more and more young studentkas will be flocking to Moscow for their holidays. These are the girls to go for - unpretentious, unspoilt and genuine, they will really appreciate being taken out for dinner and be thrilled that you live in the centre of town.

The dead-eyed, vapid glamour girls leaching off rich men in the elite clubs are just expensive dross and not worth a damn. Every city has them.

[QUOTE=Saunter]A lot of Russians look down on THESE Asians because in general, they regard them as the (colored-skinned mixed Russians) lower-class coming in for a better life from their shit-hole towns or 'stan' countries. [/QUOTE]

Sorry if this is slightly off-topic (and possibly in the wrong folder), but the thread sparked my interest. A couple of girls from Russian Mongolia (but be warned: they consider themselves Russians!) work in a restaurant in my neighborhood, and they're cute as the dickens with their Asian features and European manners. (They speak Russian and a Mongolian dialect, and I've been following the discussion of Mongolians in the Beijing thread.) Most Americans don't know what to make of them--recently a customer asked one if she was Japanese. The one I'm friendly with said that they like to marry Asians--Chinese and Koreans--probably due to their vicinity. Don't have time during an upcoming trip, but Lake Baikal is definitely on the agenda for the next one.

Saunter:

Great report, some of the cultural aspects you pointed out are right on target.

Ash1001:

Great report, sorry things didn't pan out as well as you'd hoped. Don't worry, nobody tames Moscow on a single trip... if ever... :) Comparing Moscow to London is pretty accurate in terms of some aspects of the club scene. One striking difference in my opinion though is the relatively few top clubs in Moscow compared to the number of super rich guys going to them. That is one of the reasons there is so much money at these clubs being thrown around. There really aren't more than 4-5 "elite" clubs in Moscow. Even Fabrique, a club I also like, isn't considered elite. It's second tier or middle tier. By the way, it would be interesting if you could write down some of your (and Raphael's) thoughts on Russian girls, their mentality etc. Would be interesting to see how it corresponds with what us mongers think.

One eyed man:

Yeah, central Asian girls are hot and sexy, that's fo sho.

Boarhouse:

Sounds like prices have really skyrocketed... jeezus.

Ash

Thanks for this comprehensive and well-balanced report. I'm astonished by everything prices. It seems that unfortunatly I will never be able to afford a consequent stay (three weeks is IMHO the strict minimun for decent results) in Moscow, even if it's at the top position on my dream-trip list.

C'est la vie. :)

This P4P site below is written in Russian but the prices are not clear to me if they are quoting in Rubbles or in U.S.$.

Can some one help me out here?

[url]http://www.putana.nu/ancets.php?city=%D1.-%CF%E5%F2%E5%F0%E1%F3%F0%E3[/url]

Thanks.

Ash...great stuff, its a pity that in a country which is relatively so poor that an oasis of absolute wealthy exists cheek by jowl with those who have not got the price of a loaf of bread.

The extremes of wealth, power and beauty (versus, ugly/poor/powerless) do not bode well for the future, extreme unrealistic expectations are not good for society, even less so for us guys who like to spread out seed on foreign(cheap) soil.

Hope you get to know local girls much better and enjoy the delights of this great nations beauties (non-WGS of course)!

Bois

You are so far from the reality, my friend.

[QUOTE=Bbois77]Ash...great stuff, its a pity that in a country which is relatively so poor that an oasis of absolute wealthy exists cheek by jowl with those who have not got the price of a loaf of bread.

The extremes of wealth, power and beauty (versus, ugly/poor/powerless) do not bode well for the future, extreme unrealistic expectations are not good for society, even less so for us guys who like to spread out seed on foreign(cheap) soil.

Hope you get to know local girls much better and enjoy the delights of this great nations beauties (non-WGS of course)!

Bois[/QUOTE]

Prosal:
Don't be too put off by the prices. True, you will pay a lot for accommodation anywhere inside the central Garden Ring, but you can save a lot of money by eating cheaply. And in my opinion, you can give the nightclubs a complete miss. Trying to impress girls by buying drinks will get you nowhere and can be financially suicidal.

Your expenditure should be focussed on entertaining the freebies - modestly - once you have got their phone numbers from street / shopping mall chat ups. Coffee & meals at La Cantina are fine. That's really all you need to do. Wait till the weather is good and try to spend 2-3 weeks there. Then the results will come rolling in.

As for P4P, remember that ordinary (non-elite) Russian guys also enjoy WGs and are getting them at a lower rate than CF/NF. It's not THAT cheap for them either (it's Moscow after all) but certainly cheaper. I think having a like-minded Russian friend would be a great help for local knowledge like this. As I was pressed for time, I did things in a touristy way.

It's always important to think of a city like Moscow as being primarily a business and cultural capital. No one automatically associates London with cheap girls and nor should you make that association with Moscow. Try to have some other reason for being there (anything from business to ballet) rather than just pussy. It'll help keep you sane!

Skank:
Don't worry, I realise that taming Moscow in 3 days is a pretty tall order! Even 3 months for that matter.

Some thoughts on Russian females and sexual attitudes:

1. Russian girls believe in free love. Sleeping with your boyfriend's brother or best friend is no big deal and just about par for the course.
2. 'Free love' does not necessarily mean it will be free of charge :) If she senses you've got means, are particularly taken with her or in some way 'weak', you will pay more than you have to. It's therefore best to be slightly off hand with a girl here. Always give the impression you have other options. But don't be mean. It's part of the culture to show you care by buying gifts and giving small cash presents. Just make sure it's you who initiates the gifts.
3. A Russian girl wants a man to be a real man: to make the approach, make the decisions, take charge of situations and have his own money.
4. Russian girls are slightly schizo about foreigners - particularly non white ones. On the one hand they've been conditioned to shun them, and on the other they are often genuinely interested in and attracted to something that's different. What they actually do will depend on their mood and how drunk they are at the time :)
5. Moscow girls are certainly NOT interested in being 'rescued' by a foreigner and brought to the West. Their main interest is in meeting a local guy with money. They do go for foreigners, sure, but generally not because of an automatic association with money.
6. Sponsorship: Raphael explained that many rich Russian guys in Moscow are sponsoring around 10 girls at any time. This means paying their rent and monthly spending money. The guys are generally not having regular sex with the girls and don't even expect to. The girls often have a steady boyfriend or husband. The only requirement is that she must be available at a moment's notice whenever the rich dude wants her. This situation is considered (by the girls) not only normal but desirable.

But then again... How many British or American girls would behave like this if they could? ;)

Ash1001:

Thanks again for your thoughts.

I think the prices paid were slightly higher than they had to be or could be, this is the way I break down Moscow prices:

Pros:
NightFlight Girl: $250-$400
Chesterfields Girl: $150-$200 (may actually be more now, last time I was there I paid $150)
Stripper: $400-600 (includes “bar fine” etc.)
Salons: $80-100/hour (take out slightly more, often restricted “options” like no DFK, BBBJ etc.)
Internet “sponsorship”: $250+/night
Internet pro sites: $250+/night

There are of course always going to be slightly cheaper and slightly more expensive versions of the above, but that’s pretty average.

Regular costs:
Taxi to/from airport: $35+ each way
Short trip taxi: $5
Long trip taxi: $10
Apartment (central): $160/night
Hotel (central): $250+/night
Café meal: $30/person
Decent restaurant: $60/person
Elite restaurant: $100/person
Regular nightclub (drinks etc.): $70+
Elite club: $100 if only drinks, tables about $1000-2000 minimum charge

I’m no gazillionaire either, so I beat costs by:

* staying in apartments
* eating breakfast and sometimes lunch at home
* rarely eating at expensive restaurants on dates
* having cheap dates, like walk in the park, kino, museum, café
* controlling club drinking… I still do way too much though… .:)
* I don’t reserve VIP tables unless on business with other guys and split costs
* only occasionally use pros
* use the metro during the day, taxis at night

Regarding the futility of buying drinks in glam clubs, I did warn you that just buying drinks won’t get you laid. You do have to create atmosphere and get them to come to you. And no, it doesn’t always work. Glam clubs are very fun (you didn’t actually even visit one if I understood correctly, but Fabrique is semi-glam and a good place) but they are expensive. There is almost no way to avoid that even if you limit yourself to drinking $20 jack and cokes all night.

As for freebies, it is Moscow’s best feature now that pro action is so cost-prohibitive. I still swear it is the easiest place to get freebies… but you will have to get a feel for the city first. Get out of the center, see where these student girls actually live.

And as I suggested before, if someone is looking to combine a freebie-chasing monger weekend with some pro action, get the pro action done on day one to ease the pressure you automatically put on yourself. I know we all want to dive right in and go for the opening night kill… me too… but unloading early will improve your game and you won’t have that look of desperation in your eyes.

Ideally you’ll get laid in the evening with a $150 pro and then go out at night with that “I just got laid, fuck you bee-och-ezz” look on your face. Chances are, your subsequent approach will be better received.

[QUOTE=Blastoff]This P4P site below is written in Russian but the prices are not clear to me if they are quoting in Rubbles or in U.S.$.

Can some one help me out here?

[url]http://www.putana.nu/ancets.php?city=%D1.-%CF%E5%F2%E5%F0%E1%F3%F0%E3[/url]

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

That link puts you on the St.Pete pros. The prices are $. Prices seem a bit higher than average though.

St.Pete should be:
Magrib/Tribunal: $150-$200
Stripper: $400-600 (includes “bar fine” etc.)
Salons: $50-80/hour (take out slightly more, often restricted “options” like no DFK, BBBJ etc.)
Internet “sponsorship”: $150+/night
Internet pro sites (takeout): $200/2 hours or $250+/night

You can switch to Moscow by clicking on:
[url]http://www.putana.nu/ancets.php[/url]

Prices vary wildly as you see. Don't trust the pictures. The girls are often really quite beautiful, but the pics are photoshopped and only "approximations".

I am new, planing to go to moscow.

What is Internet “sponsorship”: $150+/night?

Any website for those girls?

What do they provide?


[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]That link puts you on the St.Pete pros. The prices are $. Prices seem a bit higher than average though.

St.Pete should be:
Magrib/Tribunal: $150-$200
Stripper: $400-600 (includes “bar fine” etc.)
Salons: $50-80/hour (take out slightly more, often restricted “options” like no DFK, BBBJ etc.)
Internet “sponsorship”: $150+/night
Internet pro sites (takeout): $200/2 hours or $250+/night

You can switch to Moscow by clicking on:
[url]http://www.putana.nu/ancets.php[/url]

Prices vary wildly as you see. Don't trust the pictures. The girls are often really quite beautiful, but the pics are photoshopped and only "approximations".[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]I did warn you that just buying drinks won’t get you laid[/QUOTE]

And I heeded the warning. I possibly went to the other extreme and didn't buy drinks for girls at all. All the spending I did in the clubs was on drinks for myself and Raphael.

I'd generally buy a drink after 10 minutes of talking to a girl if she's being warm and friendly and if she doesn't suggest something stupid like getting a table. That's the rule I apply everywhere in Eastern Europe. In poorer places, opening with the line "Do you like champagne?" can and sometimes has worked wonders, but it's WAY too expensive to try this in Moscow. (But DO try it in Kiev - it's a great way to break the ice with a group of girls and will cost you all of $12 :))


If you meet a girl in a bar or club, she is a) on display, and b) aware that she's in a place where money can be lavished on her.

If you meet her in a public place, she'll be off-guard and you'll actually have to take her to a different location before it's even possible to spend money. Therein lies your advantage.

BTW is it really necessary to leave the centre of Moscow for freebies? The centre itself is huge, and I was always under the impression that anyone living in the suburbs was desperate to get the hell out and hang in the centre. True / not true?

And - if I were to leave the centre - where should I go?

[QUOTE=Tiger1974]I am new, planing to go to moscow.

What is Internet “sponsorship”: $150+/night?

Any website for those girls?

What do they provide?[/QUOTE]

You are planning to go to Moscow and then refer to my post about St.Petersburg? That's a bad start.

Sponsorship has been discussed again and again on this board and you are still asking what it is?

[QUOTE=Ash1001]And I heeded the warning. I possibly went to the other extreme and didn't buy drinks for girls at all. All the spending I did in the clubs was on drinks for myself and Raphael.

I'd generally buy a drink after 10 minutes of talking to a girl if she's being warm and friendly and if she doesn't suggest something stupid like getting a table. That's the rule I apply everywhere in Eastern Europe. In poorer places, opening with the line "Do you like champagne?" can and sometimes has worked wonders, but it's WAY too expensive to try this in Moscow. (But DO try it in Kiev - it's a great way to break the ice with a group of girls and will cost you all of $12 :))


If you meet a girl in a bar or club, she is a) on display, and b) aware that she's in a place where money can be lavished on her.

If you meet her in a public place, she'll be off-guard and you'll actually have to take her to a different location before it's even possible to spend money. Therein lies your advantage.

BTW is it really necessary to leave the centre of Moscow for freebies? The centre itself is huge, and I was always under the impression that anyone living in the suburbs was desperate to get the hell out and hang in the centre. True / not true?

And - if I were to leave the centre - where should I go?[/QUOTE]

I think my last post was a bit lacking in explanation, sorry.

First of all I agree with you totally that buying drinks can be appropriate, fun and effective... under the right circumstances. In Moscow glam clubs it can also work, but isn't necessarily the major impulse into getting her naked as it might be in the boondocks... and Kiev is still the boondocks compared to Moscow. Kiev is changing too though as they try to copy Moscow style. Many of the changes aren't positive.

By saying leave the center, I mean do it to get an idea of where these girls live and how they live. The contrasts are huge. From super rich secure country estates to nameless block-shaped highrises outside of town with entryways and elevators that smell of cold ash, stale beer, cat food and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]. That's a nasty stench.

True that many come to the center or at least to Manezhnaya Ploshad and Pushkinskaya Ploshad. But many stay on the Garden Ring, where there are also a lot of big popular clubs, or on Leninsky. Some stay in the suburbs and country almost all the time.

Still, you really don't need to leave the center, that's true.

Right, got your meaning. Thanks for that Skank.

Can you recommend any of these 'outside the centre' clubs? Basically where your drinks budget will go a *lot* further in impressing the dyevs? :)

I've been looking for the equivalent in Kiev and was told Hidropark is where the 'real' Ukainians go. And also that it's very dangerous for foreigners! Not sure how much of an exaggeration this may be.

I thought Parizhskaya Zhizn was quite homely looking - but then again, it was in the centre, and the guys there had plenty of money.

[QUOTE=Ash1001]Right, got your meaning. Thanks for that Skank.

Can you recommend any of these 'outside the centre' clubs? Basically where your drinks budget will go a *lot* further in impressing the dyevs? :)

I've been looking for the equivalent in Kiev and was told Hidropark is where the 'real' Ukainians go. And also that it's very dangerous for foreigners! Not sure how much of an exaggeration this may be.

I thought Parizhskaya Zhizn was quite homely looking - but then again, it was in the centre, and the guys there had plenty of money.[/QUOTE]

Any club really. Places I've enjoyed are Slava (big club, mid-level prices, wildy varied clientele, Shosse Entusiastov), Neo (mid-sized techno club on Warshawskoe Schosse) and Lionheart (mid-sized club on Leninsky).

Just the same, very enjoyable are also some centrally located clubs with average prices:

Fabrique-you've been there, its a good place.

Karma Bar. m.Kuznetsky Most- basically an expat disco, sometimes very nice student-aged women though.

Che-I personally don't like this place because I hate the idiotic Che Guevara cult, but it is a good place to score 25-30 year old secretaries etc... especially if you can dance a bit.

Voodoo Club- near Belorussky Voksal and Krasnaya Presnaya: smallish club- either great or horrible. If its full, great. If its half-full or empty, leave immediately and go somewhere else. When its been full, getting girls drunk and/or dancing always worked wonders for me.

Other central clubs:
Some people swear by Dirty Dancing, which is also near Belorussky Voksal, but I hate that place.

Also hate Hippopotam.

Haven't been happy with 16 tonnes lately either.

B2 can be good.

I have gotten laid at Parizhskaya Zhizn very often. It is a pretty easy place to score actually, but I prefer it in the week. On the weekends its too crowded. In the week you can maneuver, drink with girls, get them drunk and fuck them. Quality of girl is average, 5-7, but it is a collecting point for wayward souls... lots of secretaries or other low-wage earning girls out on their mid-week night off, some country girls on their first weeks in Moscow looking for new "friends", some expats, occasionally a working girl or two sitting at the bar smoking and nursing a single drink, sometimes the CSKA basketball team turns up there, often on Monday or Tuesday night. They usually make for a fun atmosphere getting silly drunk.

Krisis Zhanra plays great music on the weekends, Britpop and Indie. Boy/girl ratio sucks and there are lots of foreigners there, but I did bang the cute skinny chick with the straight blonde hair that's there nearly every weekend. She asked me to dance to "Hey jude", we did and I told her "let's go" and we went for coats. Still, not a great place to score if you ask me, just for drinks and laughs.

Garazh is a cellar club that's cramped and smoky, but a good teen crowd gathers there. I find it almost impossible to score there though... I almost always leave there soon... and empty handed.

It's not always possible to say which clubs will be good... sometimes I hate 2 or even 3 before settling on one. Best to choose a club before 2 am thouogh.. as we know, crunch time is usually between 0200-0330. Your chances of establishing new contact decrease rapidly after 0330 and then you are left bottom-feeding. That's a good time to go to Chesterfields/Boarhouse or NF.

Of the glam clubs I prefer Dagielev and Gazgolder, but also heard that Opera was good.

There are tons of other clubs and dozens I've never even been to, so I think rating the clubs is pretty subjective. The price level variance is pretty extreme, with glam clubs or cocktail bars (the new thing) considerably more expensive and then a large drop to the second tier and third tier clubs. Expat clubs are usually on the expensive side. Student clubs obviously cheaper.

Genrally speaking I completely agree with Doc and Ash on the price scene. Of course thy are starting prices upwards I even sow Internet girls (for Russians) at 800 USD/night :(

On sponsorship: of course it's different with long and short (I mean weekend based, mostly for sex, and monthly based...).

Some girls sponosored I know are fucked nearly every evening, some times with two or other theee girls usually nice blonde Russian teens!

Why am not in the Russian gaz business? :(

By the way some economic suggestion is to try hotels and flats far from the center, but near metro stations, and then use the metro, qwicker than a taxi, sometimes even in the evening.

Usually I stay at Izmailovo (business suites with the price of a studio in centrum), but now for a fair they rised the prices... I'll see what's happening if future and otherwise switch over to apartments...

IT

Thx, but do you know any place to dance latino ( salsa, merengue, etc)?

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Any club really. Places I've enjoyed are Slava (big club, mid-level prices, wildy varied clientele, Shosse Entusiastov), Neo (mid-sized techno club on Warshawskoe Schosse) and Lionheart (mid-sized club on Leninsky).

Just the same, very enjoyable are also some centrally located clubs with average prices:

Fabrique-you've been there, its a good place.

Karma Bar. m.Kuznetsky Most- basically an expat disco, sometimes very nice student-aged women though.

Che-I personally don't like this place because I hate the idiotic Che Guevara cult, but it is a good place to score 25-30 year old secretaries etc... especially if you can dance a bit.

Voodoo Club- near Belorussky Voksal and Krasnaya Presnaya: smallish club- either great or horrible. If its full, great. If its half-full or empty, leave immediately and go somewhere else. When its been full, getting girls drunk and/or dancing always worked wonders for me.

Other central clubs:
Some people swear by Dirty Dancing, which is also near Belorussky Voksal, but I hate that place.

Also hate Hippopotam.

Haven't been happy with 16 tonnes lately either.

B2 can be good.

I have gotten laid at Parizhskaya Zhizn very often. It is a pretty easy place to score actually, but I prefer it in the week. On the weekends its too crowded. In the week you can maneuver, drink with girls, get them drunk and fuck them. Quality of girl is average, 5-7, but it is a collecting point for wayward souls... lots of secretaries or other low-wage earning girls out on their mid-week night off, some country girls on their first weeks in Moscow looking for new "friends", some expats, occasionally a working girl or two sitting at the bar smoking and nursing a single drink, sometimes the CSKA basketball team turns up there, often on Monday or Tuesday night. They usually make for a fun atmosphere getting silly drunk.

Krisis Zhanra plays great music on the weekends, Britpop and Indie. Boy/girl ratio sucks and there are lots of foreigners there, but I did bang the cute skinny chick with the straight blonde hair that's there nearly every weekend. She asked me to dance to "Hey jude", we did and I told her "let's go" and we went for coats. Still, not a great place to score if you ask me, just for drinks and laughs.

Garazh is a cellar club that's cramped and smoky, but a good teen crowd gathers there. I find it almost impossible to score there though... I almost always leave there soon... and empty handed.

It's not always possible to say which clubs will be good... sometimes I hate 2 or even 3 before settling on one. Best to choose a club before 2 am thouogh.. as we know, crunch time is usually between 0200-0330. Your chances of establishing new contact decrease rapidly after 0330 and then you are left bottom-feeding. That's a good time to go to Chesterfields/Boarhouse or NF.

Of the glam clubs I prefer Dagielev and Gazgolder, but also heard that Opera was good.

There are tons of other clubs and dozens I've never even been to, so I think rating the clubs is pretty subjective. The price level variance is pretty extreme, with glam clubs or cocktail bars (the new thing) considerably more expensive and then a large drop to the second tier and third tier clubs. Expat clubs are usually on the expensive side. Student clubs obviously cheaper.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Any club really. Places I've enjoyed are Slava (big club, mid-level prices, wildy varied clientele, Shosse Entusiastov)[/QUOTE]For your information Doc, Slava closed at November 22, 2006 and will not re-open as a night club any more. So, no reason to recommend this place to another users. ;) Please be updated.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Of the glam clubs I prefer Dagielev and Gazgolder, but also heard that Opera was good.[/QUOTE]Good choise. But you forget about RAЙ (Elysium) opened in February. This club much better than Dagielev and Opera, IMHO.

Kind regards,

Msgnt

[QUOTE=Toptraveler1]Thx, but do you know any place to dance latino ( salsa, merengue, etc)?[/QUOTE]As Doc Skank said - Karma Bar. (m.Kuznetsky Most) are specialized in salsa dancing party!

[QUOTE=Master Sergeant]For your information Doc, Slava closed at November 22, 2006 and will not re-open as a night club any more. So, no reason to recommend this place to another users. ;) Please be updated.

Good choise. But you forget about RAЙ (Elysium) opened in February. This club much better than Dagielev and Opera, IMHO.

Kind regards,

Msgnt[/QUOTE]

Thanks for info! Haven't been to Slava in ages obviously. It's pretty typical for Moscow... clubs open and close with regularity. Sorry to see Slava go though, it was an institution... even if it was too far out of town for my taste.

A good reference for all: [url]www.afisha.ru[/url]

Check it out for up to date club info. As Msgt just pointed out to me, it's nearly impossible to follow all the major clubs in Moscow, things change fairly rapidly.

[QUOTE=Toptraveler1]Thx, but do you know any place to dance latino ( salsa, merengue, etc)?[/QUOTE]

Che, Papa Johns, Old Havana, Karma Bar.... but check the night. Many clubs have a "Latin Night", usually a Wednesday or Thursday. Only Cuban or Spanish clubs offer salsa every night. Karma has a separate salsa section even on weekends, but I've never felt it was very good or very popular. On "dedicated" salsa or latin nights, usually a good crowd of cute students shows up though.

A good reference for all: [url]www.afisha.ru[/url]

Check it out for up to date club info. As Msgt just pointed out to me, it's nearly impossible to follow all the major clubs in Moscow, things change fairly rapidly.

Answer here on ground of PM requests.

You can get guests to your rooms (no matter on number or sex and no correlation to the room type) up to 23.00, but they have to be registered at one of the elevator desks, they simply take name and room number and Passport datas (of the guest).

In my opinion a good policy perhaps a little imbasrassing when you are with a teen which could be your grand child: but nobody cares and everybody know what you will do to her in the room!

The procedure is useful on ground it’s protecting (at least partially) from theft and so. Around 23.00 the bell men will go to the room they know there are guests and say that she or they have to go: there is a fixed tariff 1.000 RUR per pussy! Just give the bell man and he will disappear.

If you get inside after 23.00 go with nonchalance to the right elevator block, show your card and discreetly handle over 1.000 RUR per girl to the bell man! Nothing will happen and he will let you through.

If you want to avoid this practice do as I do. I have always one of my favourite girls when making the check in and so on ground the room is booked for two (the difference is usually 8 USD for breakfast) I get two cards and I can come and go with my girlfriend as I like. Of course you have to trust her (but I know her and her sister since ¾ years and have copies of the passport of both, they gave me soo…) When I’m not nailing them I nail others I know I use the second card I get, if I feel something wrong I get the girl registered.

I Think it’s all.

PS Mind that this is only valid fot Izmailovo Gamma and Delta, I’ve heard despite they have a night club, that Alpha is less girlfriendly, don’t know on Vega and Beta.

A good hotel and friendly is the BUDAPEST hotel, closed from the Kremlin and Tverskaya, 30 seconds from Marriott and one of the cheapest "good level" hotel in Moscow. Only thing the breakfast is not good and no restaurant but you can always have your breakfast at cafe "vogue" which is 2 minutes by walk.

It,

Thanks for your always useful information.

I use the same practice as you, only I usually check in alone, otherwise I am worried that the girls name will appear on the bill, which is not so nice, when the company is paying your bills !! ( dont they put her name on the bill if you check in together ? )

Because of this I check in alone, in a double room, and later I just have the girl checked in seperatly, it cost you 1 ruble !

The problems only start if the girl is without documents, then you have to pay 1.000 rubles for security as you say, but sometimes you can be lucky in Delta, one of the security gues there only ask for 500.

I dont know about Alfa and Beta, but in Vega it is exactly the same practice.

By the way, have you experienced problems with the police patroling in the hotel complex ? I've had a "meeting" with them a couple of times with a girl without passport, it costs 1.000 - 2.000 rubles, and then you have to pay in the hotel afterwards, so it all ads up.

Also I have tried to be stopped by police a couple of times just after leaving the tochka, according to the "mama' she pays them to run her business, but still they try to get money from the clients as well, are we dealing with corrupt "militsia" or what ?? The cost is the same as the police in the hotel, but still I prefer to pay a little cash, rather than having a closer encounter with the russian police. But anyway they will not harm you, if you refuse to pay, all they will do is to take the girl to the policestation, and keep her there for 3 hours, after this she will be back in business again !

[QUOTE=Fredyann]A good hotel and friendly is the BUDAPEST hotel, closed from the Kremlin and Tverskaya, 30 seconds from Marriott and one of the cheapest "good level" hotel in Moscow. Only thing the breakfast is not good and no restaurant but you can always have your breakfast at cafe "vogue" which is 2 minutes by walk.[/QUOTE]Could you give a little more info in this. Like what kind of price level are we talking about for a double room, and can you just bring a girl there witout documents, or how does it work ?

Actually I have never used other hotels than Izmailovo, but I would be happy to hear about other options. In Izmailovo you pay about 3.400 rubles for a business class ( renovated ) double room on weekdays and about 3.000 in weekends, if you have stayed there more than 3 times, you will get a discount of 10 %

I the weekends you will also have the option of getting a cheap room through the companys who have their representives placed in the street between the metro and the hotels. These companys buy a certain amount of rooms from the hotels every day, and then they sell them on to guests who didnt book directly with the hotel. On weekdays when the hotel is fully booked, they turn up the price, up to the double of hotel rates, but in weekend they sell really cheap, because there is usually not enough guests. For example this weekend I got a 1st class double room in Vega for 1.500 rubles, the hotel rate for this is 3.700 ! Then you just ask them to make the bill at the normal rate ( if your company is paying ), and you got your expences for security and a taxi to pick up a girl covered ! :-))

[QUOTE=Rasman77]It,

Thanks for your always useful information.

I use the same practice as you, only I usually check in alone, otherwise I am worried that the girls name will appear on the bill, which is not so nice, when the company is paying your bills !! ( dont they put her name on the bill if you check in together ? )

Because of this I check in alone, in a double room, and later I just have the girl checked in seperatly, it cost you 1 ruble !

The problems only start if the girl is without documents, then you have to pay 1.000 rubles for security as you say, but sometimes you can be lucky in Delta, one of the security gues there only ask for 500.

I dont know about Alfa and Beta, but in Vega it is exactly the same practice.

By the way, have you experienced problems with the police patroling in the hotel complex ? I've had a "meeting" with them a couple of times with a girl without passport, it costs 1.000 - 2.000 rubles, and then you have to pay in the hotel afterwards, so it all ads up.

Also I have tried to be stopped by police a couple of times just after leaving the tochka, according to the "mama' she pays them to run her business, but still they try to get money from the clients as well, are we dealing with corrupt "militsia" or what ?? The cost is the same as the police in the hotel, but still I prefer to pay a little cash, rather than having a closer encounter with the russian police. But anyway they will not harm you, if you refuse to pay, all they will do is to take the girl to the policestation, and keep her there for 3 hours, after this she will be back in business again ![/QUOTE]


Usually I do not use tockas (I know you find sometimes young stunners) but I do not want to get in to the risk that they find you in bed with a girl with no documents and who is may be 16…. And you just go to jail!

A question Rasman where you go to tocka? You take cars or taxis in the Metro station area in front of Izmailovo (always overpriced) or what… Are there some tockas in the hotel/market area? Let me know, might be usueful.

There is a very simple thing to avoid all hassles… Buy the hotel from a Company like Intourist or Akademservice (they both have desks in the Lobby Delta/Gamma) and you can get invoices for all the services you need transfer, tickets hotel etc in the name of your company. Usually the fee you pay is even lower than the fee you pay at the hotel front desk (and you get the best rooms…)

On ground I’m usually shortly in Moscow in these times I do not even have registration problems of the girls, because the If I stay three or four nights my scheme is usually the same first I do Valentina, then the day after her sister; she usually come with a bi girlfriend so I have some fun, no beauties but real pigs! Unfortunately the girlfriend is usually shy and reserved, so in most cases no pictures :(, but they come with such dildos! The third night Valantina again (so I’m sure to get a good morning anal service before leaving, usually twice). :) :)

Never had any kind of problem with the police. They never stopped us at all, in any case the girls are registered and have proper documents so even if they stop…

Alfa seems, in my opinion, but never tested, to have strict rules. I think they have to protect their own market of the night club girls, wher, by the way, I have never been.

IT

A question Rasman where you go to tocka? You take cars or taxis in the Metro station area in front of Izmailovo (always overpriced) or what. Are there some tockas in the hotel/market area? Let me know, might be usueful.

Before I just took a taxi near the hotel, but as you say, they are really overpriced, so now that I have a better knowledge of russian and Russia, either I talk them down to a fair price, or I take the metro to the center and find a cheaper taxi. I know a couple of private taxi drivers, so usually I just phone one of them, and we agree on what metro to meet and then we go on the hunt ! :-))

Lately I've had some really good experience with finding girls on the net, but there is still something exciting about going to the tochkas. I find it very convinient that you in a very short time can check out maybe 100 girls in 2-4 tochkas, and sometimes you really do find gold ! Also I think that it ads to the excitement that you know there's the risk of getting stopped by police etc. it's some kind of a mysterious game in the Moscow night.

The nearest tochkas from Izmailovo are located in the center on Prospect Mira or on the Garden Ring. But sometimes it can pay off to go to Jaroslavskoe Shosse, especially if your taxi is not too expensive, here the girls are normally cheaper, sometimes on weekdays you can get a really good deal, because clients are fewer than in the weekends. Another option is to go to Leningradskoe Shosse, but it is even further away, last time I was there the last tochka was only about a kilometre from the Sheremetyevo Airport!

Hi Guys, I think most people coming to moscow are in for either pleassure or buissness. As concernce logistics and arrangements, you could go for a europain standard apartment in the heart of the city (tverskaya). Contact ([url]www.dreammoscownights.com[/url]) for more info. You would not have problems with the girls beign check by police and the apartment are really cheap. Many families and mongers do use his means to run away from futher problems. Restaurantas are always near your flats and dailly clinning services too. He gives you daily info on the city and provides you with physical options. He could confortable take to to tockas and back to your hotel safely. Moscow is not very safe like europain cities and most protitudes work with the police to ripe forieners off. Its a game, believe me. I recomennd you this site because the owner is always ready to keep his clients confortable and has the goods too. He also provides a cheap airport transfer. So try him and tell me later!

Mr. FloFlo...

Don't try to get your business by FEAR FACTOR..What do you mean "Moscow is not very safe like europain cities and most protitudes work with the police to ripe forieners off. Its a game, believe me"

So what you suggest, we only have option with you or the site else we die.

Its ok to spam the site but its NOT ok to play with peoples minds with fear..a newbie monger is already scared and with your so called experience..he will not even venture out to moscow.

There are people living in Moscow, not some monsters from Animal Planet...You can always talk your way out to militia..there are so many tips from senior members on how to deal with police with the help of dollars or gifts.

There are good reviews about this guy below but to advert. throgh fear is not the way.

FYI...the contact us, gallery, news etc pages in the website is not working.

[QUOTE=Floflo]Hi Guys, I think most people coming to moscow are in for either pleassure or buissness. As concernce logistics and arrangements, you could go for a europain standard apartment in the heart of the city (tverskaya). Contact ([url]www.dreammoscownights.com[/url]) for more info. You would not have problems with the girls beign check by police and the apartment are really cheap. Many families and mongers do use his means to run away from futher problems. Restaurantas are always near your flats and dailly clinning services too. He gives you daily info on the city and provides you with physical options. He could confortable take to to tockas and back to your hotel safely. Moscow is not very safe like europain cities and most protitudes work with the police to ripe forieners off. Its a game, believe me. I recomennd you this site because the owner is always ready to keep his clients confortable and has the goods too. He also provides a cheap airport transfer. So try him and tell me later![/QUOTE]

Came across the Intimcity site which also has the RUSDOSUG site with the "escorts".

I tried doing a search on the "rusdosug" in the Moscow forum but came up with "zero" info.

I am quite sure that most (all) the pictures are doctored up for the girl to look perfect. Not quite sure if the pricing is on the level.

Has anyone had any "experience" ordering "talent" from using the "english" speaking girls from the RUSDOSUG site??

Spearmint Rhino club, closed about 3 months ago, now re-opened at the same place, by the same management but under name of DEJA VU. Deja Vu - New York style gentlemen's club is now open everyday from 20.00 to 06.00. There's nothing going on at your table; all the dances are of the privat type, at 1000 rubles for 2 or 3. So you just need the 1000s, plus some smaller bills for the tips (normaly 100r).
Moscow. New Arbat. 17 Bolshoi Nikolopeskovsky Pereulok (at the location of the legendary club Spearmint Rhino).

Went on a trip to Russia a couple of months ago and picked up this "lady" for $300 (a bargain for her looks and skills in bed, given that most pros in there wanted around $400). Anyone who has been to NF pls share your experiences regarding PRICING.

She said she was from Kazakhstan and from her sayings she's probably slept with half of Moscow. Went back to my hotel for an hour of fun. She was screaming like a lamb being slaughtered. A bit embarassing to confront my neighbour next day in the hotel but what the hell. It was worth the money. If you're interested I think her name is Alina.

Is this site showing English speaking Escorts legitimate or is this another "bait and switch"??

[url]http://www.rusdosug.com/search.php?type=0&ilang=eng[/url]

Anyone has any experience??

$300 for an hour? I can not understand this.

Dear friends you are spoiling the ladies.

[QUOTE=Aolini]Went on a trip to Russia a couple of months ago and picked up this "lady" for $300 (a bargain for her looks and skills in bed, given that most pros in there wanted around $400). Anyone who has been to NF pls share your experiences regarding PRICING.

She said she was from Kazakhstan and from her sayings she's probably slept with half of Moscow. Went back to my hotel for an hour of fun. She was screaming like a lamb being slaughtered. A bit embarassing to confront my neighbour next day in the hotel but what the hell. It was worth the money. If you're interested I think her name is Alina.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I just want to make sure that I understood you correctly, did you pay 300 $ for one hour with this girl?

Just wanna give a short report about some real good customer service!

My company organized a corporate party celebrating the anniversary of the company last night and only the same morning my boss asked me organize three girls to provide special service to some top company representatives coming from abroad if requested.

So what I was looking for was three girls to wait in a room of the hotel where the event took place. In case of need the guy would pass bye, make his choice and take the girl to his room. All damage covered by me in advance! So I quickly consulted the forum for help!

First try: victoria (although she has already some pretty bad feedback here) well, what can I say? All that bad things told about her are actually true! All I needed was three girls, but she just told me that she has no girls willing to work, and she was not interested too! Damn victoria! Why are you running two different websites (with all the same girls never updated since ages by the way), when you are not interested in doing any business?

Second try: helena

Very nice conversation and friendly! But she said that she works only for herself and cannot bring two more girls. Ok, I respect that!

Third try: [url]www.dreammoscownights.com[/url]

Short conversation about my needs! After 30 minutes I was called back and got the deal and conditions confirmed.

As agreed (ok, some minutes late), the three girls showed up with an administrator. I brought them to their room (I took care of the security of the hotel already in advance! ) where we had prepared some food and drinks for them (they serve to please, so we should do the same. No? )

The girls were really friendly and all looked extremely good (age between 19 and 21 I'd say). They were kept pretty busy for four hours serving. Unfortunately too busy for me! So I could not taste the buffet myself! Anyways, everybody was extremly satisfied. So I think my next payraise is secured!

The cost? Who cares? I was spending some company money here! But I am sure that the next time I call there for private purpose I will be granted some discount!

Thanks again to the team of DMN, you saved my day!

Greez,

Der wirt

Just think how embaressed you would have been if your neighbour knew you had paid $300/hr for an average looking girl in Moscow. Girls like that are $200/hr in NYC

[QUOTE=Aolini]A bit embarassing to confront my neighbour next day in the hotel but what the hell. It was worth the money. If you're interested I think her name is Alina.[/QUOTE]

I think you are giving this guy an exceptionally hard time, when you all know very well that Moscow is not a cheap mongering ground - if anything, its one of the more expensive ones, on a world-wide basis.

True, I wouldn't pay $300 for one hour - but, then again, I generally steer clear of Moscow. Also true, the same girl would probably be more like $20 in Kazakhstan - but that's why she moved to Moscow :).

I rarely see credible reports of reasonable prices for pros in Moscow.

Its about time that mongers will stop pay so much ,maby the prices will go down.Its the same pussy in Moscow its not made out of Gold.

[QUOTE=Aolini]Went on a trip to Russia a couple of months ago and picked up this "lady" for $300 (a bargain for her looks and skills in bed, given that most pros in there wanted around $400). Anyone who has been to NF pls share your experiences regarding PRICING.

She said she was from Kazakhstan and from her sayings she's probably slept with half of Moscow. Went back to my hotel for an hour of fun. She was screaming like a lamb being slaughtered. A bit embarassing to confront my neighbour next day in the hotel but what the hell. It was worth the money. If you're interested I think her name is Alina.[/QUOTE]

I had the same girl in Feb. She's half Russian half Kazakh. Picked her up at the same place. It was during the week, and we were the only guys out of 25 or so girls there (it was early, around 10:30). Anyway, I got her down to $200 for 1hr. While she was nice at the club, she was a realy ***** at the hotel, complaining that she's fucking me for $200 all the time. It ruined it for me. She agreed for $200 - *****! Her screams were fake, but she knows what she was doing. She let me cum on her tits the second time. I would not recommend her.
My friend negotiated $100 per night - his girl was from Sakhalin island, tall, dark hair, about 25. I think her name was Natasha. So, don't fall for $400 trap. Some of the tricks at Night Flight - the girl you talk to, will tell you that she fucked that guy in the corner for $1000 a night, and she's doing you a favor for $400. It's a bull-shit. Come early and be nice to them and you can get them for as low as $100, as my friend did.

Kosmos

I don't think this guy is spoiling the girls at NF.. the girls are already spoiled and their high rates are not new..
Is being long time since last time I went to Night Flight...
300 DLLS was the common rate for most of them.. 200 could be possible all depends of your skills on negotiation ...
I do not recommend to go there if you have the time to explore some..
Especially if you're short of money.. there are many girls same quality all over the city..

This is just an exemplification of what I intend for this... It's just a role playing nothing more... she gets well paid for that.

I write this on ground many were saying something against my tastes! :D

Just 20 seconds after the last picture she got a fresh and hard piece of meat in her tight (not enough anymore :( ) little hole!

IT

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Gentlemen,

I first want to express my gratitude to all the members who contributed to this forum. Furthermore, being a relative newbie I did my part of the job and read most of the messages in this forum. However after doing so, I still have a practical problem which needs help from our veterans. That problem is: I will be located for one week in the very south of Moscow near metro station Bitsevky Park (off all places) and probably be chaperoned by my Russian business contacts most of the day and probably part of the evening. How do I get laid?

I checked virtually all websites that were referenced at this forum (about 25) and I could only find a mere 3 (three!) working girls are available near Yasenevo (zero at Bitsevky Park).

What would be my best strategy to get laid under these circumstances? Any chance to find freebees during the evening hours (21:00 – 0:00) in my area? The hotel is probably small and I don’t know their attitude against incalls (probably demotivating), so I might have to visit WGs.

Compared to my first visit to Russia years ago (I didn’t know this forum at that time) prices have risen dramatically. The price have doubled, tripled or sometimes even quadrupled. It seems that Moscow WGs are charging international prices (and more) and probably find enough customers willing to pay. Does anyone know of web sites or salons that focus on the local (Russian speaking) market for Russian prices? I read somewhere it is estimated that there are about 10,000 WGs in the Moscow area. I might have seen about 1,000 on web sites. Do I only see the top 10% expensive WGs? And if so, Where’s the other 90%?

Finally I want to share my humble experience with this forum.

The link below which I found contains a map with the geographical location of all individualkis, salons and saunas in the Moscow area. It was very convenient but a shame for me to see that I was too far away from business.
[url]http://www.rusdosug.com/interactive.php[/url]

[url]www.Omen.ru[/url] was once a reliable source, however they changed their policy and one of the most important items of a WG (her price) is not listed anymore (though you can still search on price but you never know the price of the WG you found). Furthermore Omen.ru has now an annoying feature which tries to install an ad server in your browser by downloading a file called adv.dll every so many clicks on photos.

[QUOTE=Garden Gnome]Gentlemen,

I first want to express my gratitude to all the members who contributed to this forum. Furthermore, being a relative newbie I did my part of the job and read most of the messages in this forum. However after doing so, I still have a practical problem which needs help from our veterans. That problem is: I will be located for one week in the very south of Moscow near metro station Bitsevky Park (off all places) and probably be chaperoned by my Russian business contacts most of the day and probably part of the evening. How do I get laid?

I checked virtually all websites that were referenced at this forum (about 25) and I could only find a mere 3 (three!) working girls are available near Yasenevo (zero at Bitsevky Park).

What would be my best strategy to get laid under these circumstances? Any chance to find freebees during the evening hours (21:00 – 0:00) in my area? The hotel is probably small and I don’t know their attitude against incalls (probably demotivating), so I might have to visit WGs.

Compared to my first visit to Russia years ago (I didn’t know this forum at that time) prices have risen dramatically. The price have doubled, tripled or sometimes even quadrupled. It seems that Moscow WGs are charging international prices (and more) and probably find enough customers willing to pay. Does anyone know of web sites or salons that focus on the local (Russian speaking) market for Russian prices? I read somewhere it is estimated that there are about 10,000 WGs in the Moscow area. I might have seen about 1,000 on web sites. Do I only see the top 10% expensive WGs? And if so, Where’s the other 90%?

Finally I want to share my humble experience with this forum.

The link below which I found contains a map with the geographical location of all individualkis, salons and saunas in the Moscow area. It was very convenient but a shame for me to see that I was too far away from business.
[url]http://www.rusdosug.com/interactive.php[/url]

[url]www.Omen.ru[/url] was once a reliable source, however they changed their policy and one of the most important items of a WG (her price) is not listed anymore (though you can still search on price but you never know the price of the WG you found). Furthermore Omen.ru has now an annoying feature which tries to install an ad server in your browser by downloading a file called adv.dll every so many clicks on photos.[/QUOTE]

If you saerch the nearbye stations you will find some girls on [url]www.intimcity.ru[/url] six only at Yanesevo station, but see those more close to center on the same line.

One of the search criteria, in Russian of course, on [url]www.intimcity.ru[/url] is the metro station.

Happy week!

IT

By the way one of the reasons because thre are few tockas there (I suppose) is because from the metro going on the bridge over the MKAD you get directly to the FSB headquarters! Like seeing girls, on the street, in Langley! Or more correctly in front of the Hoover builing in Washington!

Garden Gnome,

I always go for freebies so that's all I can comment on. I would guess however that for P4P incalls are the only option so far away from the action. Alternatively, if you speak Russian you could try a site such as mamba.ru to find a semi-pro or pro in your area (can search for metro station).

Freebies: There are lots of clubs and bars outside the Garden Ring of course; if you don't mind somewhat shabbier surroundings and a more provincial clientele you will be fine.

A search on moscowout.ru, usually fairly comprehensive, shows no clubs at Bittsevsky Park and nothing special at Yasenevo (though some smaller and faraway clubs are not listed online).

Your best bet is probably Yugo-Zapadnaya (end of the red line), quite close by taxi and a very densely populated area. Try [url]www.tonnelclub.ru[/url] (Prospekt Vernadskogo 86), if the photos on the site are representative it seems like a reasonable place for freebies. Also, on Fridays and Saturdays "Novaya Stsena" (Leninskii Prospekt 150) has a singles evening called "Formula of Love" (quote: "here you can find a partner for one evening or your whole life" ;)

Do you remember the banker's name? Just wondering if I know her. lol

as usual when in moscow i take valentina… now she is red instead of blond!

her skin is smooth and white like china bone, but very delicate and i fucked her so hardly in missionary position that she got some abrasion on her back due to the fact she is so slim her back bones are protruding a little bit.. poor girl!

the pics (links) are made the on the second meeting!

in the first i arrived late (missed the connection) and she was waiting for me in the lobby so we avoided the “rouble control” made by the guards, just paid 3 rur for three days!

she is always a nice gfe, but the first day i did not fuck her so much, then the second day i got her older sister you can see here:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=592723&postcount=1126[/url]

but the third day (the second time with her) was really nice!

i had slept really good and was terribly horny (thanks to a cialis therapy too!). the evening went so.

i met her in the lobby and we just had a tea around 6 pm. then we went up we played one of my favourite role game… the punishment of the secretary with an anal [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]!

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after she had been well drilled (anally of course!) on the desk (without taking off her clothes) we went to the restaurant… nice food and nice conversation (not so deep her english is like my russian!). a nice gfe. unfortunately she is not like her sister. you can go with her sister, plugged, to the restaurant!

after a couple of hours we went back to the room some jokes, bathing (there is a two place jacuzzi there), then she went to the bed and started cow riding… of course after some minutes i took her round and just got her missionary anal for the second time!

the third time was even better… no bj (she does only covered) no fucking nothing… only anal! approx 30-40 minutes of deep pounding! it's the time i need to cum when i'm horny but i have already fucked.

her anus was really stretched and opened, but she did not want more pink pictures! but if you want some pink of valentina you find them here:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=583345&postcount=704[/url]

then we were sleeping… you can see the shots… it’s usually a pleasure to sleep with a such girl: light and tiny, and always sleeping embraced to you! :)

i usually wake up early and like looking and photographing her sleeping… so nice! ;)

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=594459&postcount=1129[/url]

in the last two pics she is sleeping…

of course in the morning i’m really horny so, as usual, i woke up her took her in all three holes, and then we went to breakfast. she thought all was over, but morning horny, cialis and so on.. when we got back to the room she got the best of all… approx 45 minutes of anal fucking in missionary with no preliminary or bj! :d she was just devastated… and my best friend was very happy and relaxed!

total damage for two nights
300 usd for valentina firs day from 11.30 pm to 11 am)
300 usd for valentina (from 6 pm to 11 am!)
1.240 rur (dinner for two)
2 x 270 rur breakfast for her (my was included)
3 rur registration
two cialis 20 mg tablets.
some drinks and juice.

it

IT and SL

Thanks for the info.

I tried a semi-pro near Yasenevo but she wanted $300 per meeting where a “meeting” was defined as “2-3 hours”. OK That’s more than a good half monthly wage in Russia (but maybe not in Moscow). Compared to US standards this would be about $1000/hour. She was not interested in even discussing my bid.

Yasenevo is the closest place for action but I follow your advice and travel north for a few stations. I don’t know whether I can find time to travel to Yugo-Zapadnaya and check some clubs for freebies. My time might be too limited.

GG

Dear friends,

Moscow is amazing for freebies even if you just know english but you have time and alot of energy to find girls. They are everywere but my best point of view is next to garden in the way to the Kremlin. I got just today phone numbers of great looking students but again you should build some realtionship with then before going bed.

I know There are lots of clubs and bars with semi Pro-pro girls which are more easyly to get for money. But I need day-time action.

Could you tell me what are the best place to find these women (names of bars and hotels.) in day like 12:00-16:00.

Any help welcomed and I have lots f photos and phone of amazing freebies.most of then I didn't fuck.

Why you shouldn't give up so easy...

Just got this mail from a mongering buddy of mine who was in Moscow:

"Ok ... well I stayed at the Marriott Courtyard, which is on Voznesensky Per (parallel to Bryusov Per) right near the Conservatoria imeni Chaikovskogo. Got upgraded to a suite -so had a good base for operations

I traveled with 3 other guys ... 1 from Frankfurt, 1 from London and 1 from NY. The NY guy and the London guy had never been to Moscow before. So first night we had dinner at Night Flight, and I left them all in the bar to amuse themselves while I jetted to meet Olga at the Kofemaniya at the Conservatoria at 11pm. She looked good and asked where I was staying. I told her I was in the new Marriott and that I will show her later.

An hour or so later, we jetted and lo and behold, my hotel was only 100 yards away ... she was reluctant at first to come in, but relented after some groping outside. Once in the room there was not a lot more time wasting, She went to the bathroom to freshen up, as dyevs do, then I went down on her. I don't think she was as good a poke as your Nastya, she is quite self conscious, especially about her small hooters. We poked for a long time, and again in the morning. She left about 8am. To my surprise (I shouldn't be surprised anymore) she had a change of clothes in her bag. She had fully planned to spend the night!"

I just love the part about her at first refusing to come in and protesting and then when she finally does, she was all kitted out to fuck. Just like the "innocent" types you finally drag into your apartment after protests and some serious convincing only to find out that they are wearing their best $200 la Perla lingerie and brought their own condoms.... :)

It's all about theater boys, life's a stage...

This is a very belated report and covers 2 visits to Moscow at the end of February and early March. I look at the forum almost daily and wonder why I’m not a senior member. Truth is, its because I don’t contribute often enough.

In Feb I arrived in Moscow from Piter full of flu. Most of the week was spent in bed with occasional visits to my hotel by concerned business clients. I also invited a girl I met on omen. Ru who was looking for a sponsor. After a light lunch and 3 glasses of red wine she asked for 100 Euro’s for her visit. I took her upstairs and exacted my money’s worth. Not a bad price for today’s Moscow and the girl was a solid 7. Her BBJTC was a 9.

On my last night I was feeling somewhat better and ventured to the lobby bar for a couple of shots of Russki Standart. I got talking to a German banker on his first visit to Moscow and felt duty bound to show him the sights. After a couple more shots we were in a cab en route to CF.

On the way I explained what CF is/was and that he should enjoy scoping the girls and flirting a little before making a choice. I stressed that he should not accept the first girl that propositioned him. My words fell on the deaf ears of a newbie with too much money.

We arrived at CF, walked into the bar from the coat check and I was immediately enveloped by Laura, a 30 something chick from Chechnya. I explained we had just arrived, wanted a beer and extracted myself from her. I bought the german guy and myself a beer and when I turned away from the bar I found that Laura had already concluded the deal with him and they were ready to leave. So much for my wingman. I stayed and was hit on by a stunning brunette. After a few drinks we settled on $200 for the night and went back to the hotel. In the morning she started asking me a lot of questions and mentioned the name of my Moscow business associate (BP1 if you RTFF). It was only then that I realised I had taken this girl (Victoria) from CF before – but she was a blond (wearing a wig) previously and I had been 3 sheets to the wind at the time. She found it highly amusing that I didn’t recognise her, I found it strange to have fucked two different women only to discover they were one and the same. The second, and more sober experience was better (I think).

Two weeks later, and at short notice, I found myself back in Moscow principally to hold the hands of some visiting associates from a third world country. I stayed in an apartment for the first time (thanks for the help Doc) which was within spitting distance of NF. It was difficult getting free time from my charges but the second night I managed to escape at midnight and took a walk around the corner to NF. In 20+ visits I have never been to NF. Actually that’s not quite true. On my first ever visit in July 2001 I fell out of a cab in front of NF and picked myself up and approached the door. The gentleman guarding the entrance politely explained that I was too drunk to enter and helped me back into a cab.

This time I was more or less sober and was going more out of curiosity than determined to spend my Ben Franklins. There were probably 15 guys inside and 25-30 girls. I have to say that the quality of the eye candy was generally high but the attitude was lacking. I’m a self confessed CF addict and I like the fact that at CF you can get to know your target, flirt a little and generally have a good time.

NF is purely a meat market. There is no atmosphere (IMHO) and precious little opportunity to spark with the girls. All asked for $400 for a couple of hours, so after 3 shots I left and headed off to my favourite late night haunt.

It was Friday night and CF was jumping with the usual collection of expats and working girls, though the number of Russian men splashing the cash was a noticeable change. Guess what. As soon as I approached the bar Laura, the chick from Chechnya, jumped all over me asking for info about my friend from Germany. It took a while to lose her and she periodically returned to hassle me during the night, but all good natured.

Standard rate amongst the keepers was 8, 000 rubles, some asked for 9, 000 and the odd idiot thought she was worth 10, 000 rubles. Plus the standard bar fine is now 800 rubles. It was interesting that all prices quoted were now in rubles rather than greenbacks or the stronger Euro.

I bided my time, chatted with some girls that recognised me and finally did a deal with Nadya, yet another brunette ($200 for the night). It was already 2:30 so we left and took a CF cab. A few minutes into our journey and we were stopped by the police. Because I had arrived on a Thursday and was staying in an apartment my visa registration hadn’t been completed. As the previously dumb cops realised, this was a problem. Nadya worked her socks off trying to reason with them explaining that I had 72 hours to be registered, etc. I had $35 in small bills and this was offered and refused.

I was invited to sit in the back of their squad car and reluctantly offered $100 (this was all I had in change) but again it was refused. So I said OK take me down town and lets see what happens (I figured they would hold me for 3 hours and then let me go). A few minutes later we were at Police station number 40, or was it 41, and I sat in the Captains office waiting to be processed. When he finally arrived I asked for a drink (meaning water) and he produced a bottle of Diamond Vodka and some cok. Ten minutes later he offered me the 2 skanky drunk girls he was holding in the tank and five minutes later he was calling me a cab.

When the cab arrived I redirected it back to CF to see if I could salvage the deal with Nadya. She wasn’t there so I took a blond with a plump ass who provided a truly GF experience, demanded anal, prepared my breakfast and asked just 5000 rubles. Another surreal night in Moscow was over. I’d escaped jail, been to CF twice and NF once and had breakfast made for me by a sweet and cheap *****. This stuff doesn’t happen anywhere else. Much is said about Moscow – the various options, the costs (increasing rapidly) but no-one ever mentions the adrenalin buzz. It’s a great city and, although this is a contradiction, it’s a place where I always feel completely safe and completely terrified at the same time. The vodka does help though)

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[QUOTE=Ricardo Cabro]This is a very belated report and covers 2 visits to Moscow at the end of February and early March.... She found it highly amusing that I didn’t recognise her, I found it strange to have fucked two different women only to discover they were one and the same. The second, and more sober experience was better (I think)...

Because I had arrived on a Thursday and was staying in an apartment my visa registration hadn’t been completed... the Captains office waiting to be processed. When he finally arrived I asked for a drink (meaning water) and he produced a bottle of Diamond Vodka and some cok. ... but no-one ever mentions the adrenalin buzz. It’s a great city and, although this is a contradiction, it’s a place where I always feel completely safe and completely terrified at the same time. The vodka does help though)
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Drinking vodka-sok with the captain... outstanding RC!

CF is still fun, but damn... the prices keep going up... :(

You do realize that next time you take home a redhead it will be Nadya in disguise...

Really sorry to hear that the apartment didn't work out... I mean in terms of the militia flagging you down.

Registration: the laws have changed again! You no longer get a registration card from the hotels nor do you get a stamp on your arrival card... so theoretically, you don't have to show the militia this anymore. You only need to show them your hotel room card. If you are in an apartment, you won't have one.. so I suggest if you do stay in a hotel, just keep the room card for future visits where you are in an apartment. It's a bit murky, but you should be OK with it. And you do still have 72 hours to register. I think the captain was just lonely and told his squaddies to bring him home someone to chat and drink with.

Had you already paid Nadya? If so, call her on it and have her service you next time for free. Even pros have to have a code of honor, right?!?!

And I agree on the adrenalin part... you really don't get that in St.Pete or Kiev.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Drinking vodka-sok with the captain... outstanding RC!

CF is still fun, but damn... the prices keep going up... :(

You do realize that next time you take home a redhead it will be Nadya in disguise...

Really sorry to hear that the apartment didn't work out... I mean in terms of the militia flagging you down.

Registration: the laws have changed again! You no longer get a registration card from the hotels nor do you get a stamp on your arrival card... so theoretically, you don't have to show the militia this anymore. You only need to show them your hotel room card. If you are in an apartment, you won't have one.. so I suggest if you do stay in a hotel, just keep the room card for future visits where you are in an apartment. It's a bit murky, but you should be OK with it. And you do still have 72 hours to register. I think the captain was just lonely and told his squaddies to bring him home someone to chat and drink with.

Had you already paid Nadya? If so, call her on it and have her service you next time for free. Even pros have to have a code of honor, right?!?!

And I agree on the adrenalin part... you really don't get that in St.Pete or Kiev.[/QUOTE]

Doc, when did the law change regarding registration?

If one does not get a stamp at the airport, how do the police know when he arrived? If hotels no longer give registration card, where does one need to go to get registered? How does the new law affect visitors that stay at apartments? And some crappy hotels don't even have a room card. There is only a key and you leave it at the front desk.

Doc, Nothing quite so strange as life. Although I speak very little Russian BP1 insists that I am more Russian than many Russians. Perhaps my genuine empathy struck a chord with the Captain.

the appartment really worked out well - excellent position, comfortable and approx half the price of a Marriott - no rewards points tho'.

The militsia thing was just bad luck. Apart from a couple of (polite) document checks in Red Square I've never been pulled over before. It was probably just my turn on the law of averages.

The registration system changed in January and my guess is that the militsia know this and will play on the grey area created - especially with foreign businessmen leaving drinking establishments with hired company.

Did I pay Nadya up front? Never, ever done that. If a girl asks for pre-payment in CF I walk away.

[QUOTE=Ricardo Cabro]Doc, Nothing quite so strange as life. Although I speak very little Russian BP1 insists that I am more Russian than many Russians. Perhaps my genuine empathy struck a chord with the Captain.

the appartment really worked out well - excellent position, comfortable and approx half the price of a Marriott - no rewards points tho'.

The militsia thing was just bad luck. Apart from a couple of (polite) document checks in Red Square I've never been pulled over before. It was probably just my turn on the law of averages.

The registration system changed in January and my guess is that the militsia know this and will play on the grey area created - especially with foreign businessmen leaving drinking establishments with hired company.

Did I pay Nadya up front? Never, ever done that. If a girl asks for pre-payment in CF I walk away.[/QUOTE]


Good for you not paying up front. Never do it either.

As for yappin' with the capt'n, that's pretty cool. You read my story about how I ended up outside the militsia station with the Chechen girl? Ah... Moscow... :)

[QUOTE=CharlieH]Doc, when did the law change regarding registration?

If one does not get a stamp at the airport, how do the police know when he arrived? If hotels no longer give registration card, where does one need to go to get registered? How does the new law affect visitors that stay at apartments? And some crappy hotels don't even have a room card. There is only a key and you leave it at the front desk.[/QUOTE]

As for registration, the law changed a couple of months back and as with many things in Russia, nobody is quite sure about the exact law.

You do get your arrival card stamped coming in, so they can check when you arrived. You just don't get your registration stamped on the card anymore. When flying out sometimes they didn't even take my arrival card... so this seems to have lost almost all significance... but hold onto it anyway. You never know.

When in hotel, you get the hotel key card + the little booklet. That is supposedly enough. The hotel registers you... you just don't get a piece of paper saying so. So if the militia stops you just say that you are in Hotel So and So. If it's a cheap-o Russky hotel, then keep a receipt or something from the hotel.

People in apartments are supposed to have their landlord register them... but of course no landlord will do this for short-term visitors. It is indeed a grey area now and I don't know exactly how apartment-staying mongers should handle it. I am trying to find out and will inform you all as soon as I know.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]


As for registration, the law changed a couple of months back and as with many things in Russia, nobody is quite sure about the exact law.

You do get your arrival card stamped coming in, so they can check when you arrived. You just don't get your registration stamped on the card anymore. When flying out sometimes they didn't even take my arrival card... so this seems to have lost almost all significance... but hold onto it anyway. You never know.

People in apartments are supposed to have their landlord register them... but of course no landlord will do this for short-term visitors. It is indeed a grey area now and I don't know exactly how apartment-staying mongers should handle it. I am trying to find out and will inform you all as soon as I know.[/QUOTE]

Having just returned myself from an extended MRE, (Mongering Research Expedition), my registration experience was certainly better than last summer, but still ridiculously expensive. Last summer I completely fucked up the on the 72 hour deadline, but it was because I arrived on a Friday night and I waited until Tuesday to even go to the local government SIDA clinic to get jabbed with a hypodermic by a bitchy medical assistant for my HIV test. 2 days later I went back to get my dokumenti saying I'm not infected, and then proceeded to have my travel agent drag me down for 4 hours to the politzi station for fingerprints, mug shots, and a 5000 ruble payment.

At least this year, the HIV test is not required, so I got right over to the travel agent on Monday morning, but they're not gonna let me off easy this time either. They claimed that because my apartment was not previously registered with the police for renting out to foreigners, they would be required to register it for me, for an extra 3000 rubles.

On arrival, my immigration card WAS stamped, and the back of it WAS stamped again for registration by the politzi, and they did take it from me when I flew home going through immigration.

My question to Richard Cabro is about your passport. Did you have it on you when you were pulled over, because I never carry mine around, I just keep a copy with me with my visa. I don't even carry my registration with me, though I think next time I'll stop into some magazine and make a copy to keep with me. But after 16 different visits, I've yet to have any "fun" with the authorities, short of having 2 uniforms with AK-47's locked and loaded pounding on my flat door demanding I open up for 10 minutes, only to realize that since my landlady was too cheap to put a sticker with the flat number on the door, that they were knocking on the wrong flat, and they finally said, "Oh. Ti nyet Dvatsit Shest? Iz vinitsye, das vidanya," and then they proceeded upstairs and I changed my underwear.

Anyway, my only other politzi contact was initiated BY my taxi driver, who after driving around and not finding any working girls other than junkies, brought me to Vladimir, an off duty cop working security at the main hotel side entrance, who made a few calls on my behalf, to have a couple of car fulls of girls paraded for my choice of "bride for the night".

Now that's what I call "Serving the Public"!

There was another mistaken indirect "buzz" I got from the cops, and it WAS just last month.

I had been with an incredible dyevochka. Probably the most GFE experience I may have ever had, at least for the first two hours and forty-five minutes. I lit her passion on fire and turned up the heat to supernova, and everything was amazing until we found SOMETHING to fight about at the very end, and turned a magical night into a pretty upsetting ending. I even wondered if she might try to pull something on me later during my stay.

Of course the next morning around 11:30, as I was trudging back home from a run to the bazaar market with 2 arm fulls of groceries and coming through the back entrance, I see the politizi standing around at my front gate. We made a brief eye contact, and I scurried inside my podyest and upstairs. Then I look out my balcon window and see a second cop, with Uzi in tow, sniffing around my podyest.

That's when all the fun starts in your head. You start wondering did she really make up some story to fuck me over? Would they actually believe some dyev that works for an agency? Isn't this Russia and not the US, where a girl CAN'T just lie and they instantly believe her? Bla, bla bla...

Ok, stop panicking! Don't you remember stupid? Its fucking Hitler's birthday! The cops are looking for skinheads who have invaded the city from all the surrounding villages for their Nazi drinking binges! That's all the cops were looking for. Not me, duh! Love that adrenaline, though!

[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]Having just returned myself from an extended MRE, (Mongering Research Expedition), my registration experience was certainly better than last summer, but still ridiculously expensive. Last summer I completely fucked up the on the 72 hour deadline, but it was because I arrived on a Friday night and I waited until Tuesday to even go to the local government SIDA clinic to get jabbed with a hypodermic by a bitchy medical assistant for my HIV test. 2 days later I went back to get my dokumenti saying I'm not infected, and then proceeded to have my travel agent drag me down for 4 hours to the politzi station for fingerprints, mug shots, and a 5000 ruble payment.

At least this year, the HIV test is not required, so I got right over to the travel agent on Monday morning, but they're not gonna let me off easy this time either. They claimed that because my apartment was not previously registered with the police for renting out to foreigners, they would be required to register it for me, for an extra 3000 rubles.

On arrival, my immigration card WAS stamped, and the back of it WAS stamped again for registration by the politzi, and they did take it from me when I flew home going through immigration.

My question to Richard Cabro is about your passport. Did you have it on you when you were pulled over, because I never carry mine around, I just keep a copy with me with my visa. I don't even carry my registration with me, though I think next time I'll stop into some magazine and make a copy to keep with me. But after 16 different visits, I've yet to have any "fun" with the authorities, short of having 2 uniforms with AK-47's locked and loaded pounding on my flat door demanding I open up for 10 minutes, only to realize that since my landlady was too cheap to by a sticker with the flat number to put on the door, that they were pounding on the wrong flat, and they finally said, "Oh. Ti nyet Dvatsit Shest? Iz vinitsye, das vidanya," and then they proceeded upstairs and I changed my underwear.

Anyway, my only other politzi contact was initiated BY my taxi driver, who after driving around and not finding any working girls other than junkies, brought me to Vladimir, an off duty cop working security at the main hotel side entrance, who made a few calls on my behalf, to have a couple of car fulls of girls paraded for my choice of "bride for the night".

Now that's what I call "Serving the Public"![/QUOTE]

On ground I had a lot of problems too in the past here is what the chief of protocol of one of the biggest Russian companies said litteraly...

Past:

You have to register withion the third day of your arrival (it's not 72 hours, it's less!) excluding from the count Saturday, Sunday and all holidays (this on ground of the hotel I was didi not register foreigner (can you imagine...) So the company took care of it not even in the city, but they wanted the passport, in original, and the immigration card.

Now:

You have to resgister before 13.00 (I do not know if local time or Moscow time, like railways) of the day after your arrival. It' does not matter which day it is the former OVIR should be always open... Militia too...
In my hotel they do it on spot (informatically) and you get your card stamped with the protocol number of registration (on the back side), and you gett all back with the room keys so it takes not more than 40 seconds.

Just my two cents...
IT

Bez, I was carrying my passport, I always do. However, I have two passports so I figure I can always lose one. That said, only one has my visa in it.

In Feb I stayed in a Marriott and they stamped my immigration card. In March the appartment rental company took my imigration card on the Thursday and returned it on the Monday with a stamp. My business partner said he could make the same stamp for $10 less - its not as impressive as the old visa reg stamp.

When I was stopped I had my passport and retained boarding card stub to show when my flight had arrived. Apparently, the oldest trick in the book is for non registered people to say they only arrived yesterday. Your boarding card proves when you arrived. The militsia seemed unaware of the new system and ignored my explanation of the old 72 hour rule. The girl I was with had her papers in order so she got no hassle - tho' they pulled her from the cab first.

What really got me was the refusal to accept a small bribe, the refusal to accept a much bigger bribe, followed by several drinks together, the offer to fuck girls in the slammer and parting like old friends.

A roller coaster of a ride - but thats Moscow.

[QUOTE=It Travel]On ground I had a lot of problems too in the past here is what the chief of protocol of one of the biggest Russian companies said litteraly...

Past:

You have to register withion the third day of your arrival (it's not 72 hours, it's less!) excluding from the count Saturday, Sunday and all holidays (this on ground of the hotel I was didi not register foreigner (can you imagine...) So the company took care of it not even in the city, but they wanted the passport, in original, and the immigration card.

Now:

You have to resgister before 13.00 (I do not know if local time or Moscow time, like railways) of the day after your arrival. It' does not matter which day it is the former OVIR should be always open... Militia too...
In my hotel they do it on spot (informatically) and you get your card stamped with the protocol number of registration (on the back side), and you gett all back with the room keys so it takes not more than 40 seconds.

Just my two cents...
IT[/QUOTE]

And I spoke yesterday with another "expert" who told me you still have 72 hours, not including Saturday or Sunday or holidays or the day you arrive.... so in other words it's a clusterfuck galore as always with Russian law.

I honestly don't really even fucking care anymore. Sometimes I get registered, sometimes I don't... depends on length of stay. Most trips I don't even have time to get registered. I've always been able to talk my way out of it or get by with a minimal bribe not exceeding 500 rubles. Kind of dangerous I suppose, like BB sex... they don't call it Russian roulette for nothing.

Funny how priorities change... years ago I used to BB everything... now I am very careful... and won't go near a pro pussy without my jimmy cap on.

[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra] My question to Richard Cabro is about your passport. Did you have it on you when you were pulled over, because I never carry mine around, I just keep a copy with me with my visa. I don't even carry my registration with me, though I think next time I'll stop into some magazine and make a copy to keep with me. But after 16 different visits, I've yet to have any "fun" with the authorities, short of having 2 uniforms with AK-47's locked and loaded pounding on my flat door demanding I open up for 10 minutes, only to realize that since my landlady was too cheap to put a sticker with the flat number on the door, that they were knocking on the wrong flat, and they finally said, "Oh. Ti nyet Dvatsit Shest? Iz vinitsye, das vidanya," and then they proceeded upstairs and I changed my underwear.
Now that's what I call "Serving the Public"![/QUOTE]

Bez:

Moscow is pretty much the only place the militia is going to care about your registration anyway. In the boondocks the cops are just in it for the cool uniforms, the big hat and the sweet Lada ride.

Hi fellow mongers,

As I am in Moscow now quite freuqently I am wondering about this "Sponsor Thing" As far as I understand the Guy pays a monthly amount to a girl, to support her in studies or whatnot.

What kind of revard can one expect, is sex always in the game? What would be a reasonable amount? I don't want to offend any girls by offering too little/much (won't be offended by that one;.)) or by asking for something not normally in the "package"

Cheers

[QUOTE=Oecmr]Hi fellow mongers,

As I am in Moscow now quite freuqently I am wondering about this "Sponsor Thing" As far as I understand the Guy pays a monthly amount to a girl, to support her in studies or whatnot.

What kind of revard can one expect, is sex always in the game? What would be a reasonable amount? I don't want to offend any girls by offering too little/much (won't be offended by that one;.)) or by asking for something not normally in the "package"

Cheers[/QUOTE]A good site for that sort of thing is omen. Ru. Unfortunately it's not as cheap as it once was. Back in the day, you could sponsor a girl for 1, 000 bucks a month, and we're talkin' 5 years ago. Now they want 4 grand. I can't get a quote right now because I sit next to my (female) boss. Your best bet is to find a girl on camcontacts and make an offer. It could save you a few thousand.

I want to give you a guys an update on my efforts to apply your experiences to the US. Last night and tonight I went bar happing by myself. I walked up to women and taled to them and put arms around them and grabbed their asses and kiss them. Sometimes their boyrfiends were in the bathroom. So I said kiss me on the lips before he gets back. Tonight I took it to the next level and groped their tits with their consent. Okay I will keep working on this. I am just trying to save some money. I will probably go to Prague and fuck 20 girls again. Really want to fuck Russian chicks but am afraid to get STD. Go get em guys. I was really surprised that you could just walk up to women in a bar and talk to them and grope their asses. A few wiggled away but most seem to enjoy it. Yeah they are all hot and early 20s and blonde. I am middle age, short and ugly.

sorry for occupying valuable space on board with this help request but I need a centrally located, decent apartment to rent for 3 nights..

any help will be very much appreciated. apologies for not RFF.

thanks

Atreides

My company is sending me to Sakhalin Island on a temp position. I know its hell and gone east just above Japan, but anyone have any idea about action there. Some guys I talked to says its heaven as a lot of the workforce are Russian women. Anybody been there, any info on travel routes from Europe or North America. I RTFF but cannot find any mention of this paradise
Cap
PM me or post if others are interested

Guy #2

Why are you posting this on the Moscow board?

If you have never had Russian pussy you have missed out. Think of the best Czech experience you have had and multiply x 10.

Your groping exploits in the US are off topic and of no benefit to this board.

Please stay on topic.

Guido88

[QUOTE=Guido88]Guy #2

Why are you posting this on the Moscow board?

If you have never had Russian pussy you have missed out. Think of the best Czech experience you have had and multiply x 10.

Your groping exploits in the US are off topic and of no benefit to this board.

Please stay on topic.

Guido88[/QUOTE]

I have read many of Guy #2's "weird" posts in the other forums. I can't figure him out but it appears he is "not playing with a full deck". IMHO

Bez,

Very funny,

I only follow three boards Montreal, Prague and the RU boards. Unfortunately Guy #2 has chosen those same 3 to share his lack of knowledge and troll like mentality with.

After 2+ years his inane dribble does get a little tiring. Self-described RU expert yet has never made the trip.

The Montreal board was ready to create a national holiday after he left and went on to the RU boards. Unfortunately he has returned there as well.

Clearly the guy needs to get laid, you may be correct about latent tendencies.

Just my 2 cents

Guido88

Doc, Bez,

What's the new info about the registration?

I am planing to stay at my friend's apartment and register at travel agency(that I used several times).

Is this still possible or there are new regulations on registration procedures.

As usual I will be there for the weekend(approx. 38 hours)

Thnx.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]

It's a clusterfuck with Russian law. I don't have time to get registered.

I get by with a bribe.

Bez is in the boondocks for the cool hats.

[/QUOTE]

AJ, just call your travel agent and they'll hook you up. Its a breeze.

I was just here doing nothing, so I just wanted to remind some good old things in Moscow around 1994-6.

So you all notice how the city is changed.

If you could not afford National or Metropol (expensive as today) you could get the suites at the Intourist Hotel (now it’s demolished, It was on Tverskaya just behind National), the corner ones were comfortable with A/C and all you needed, even a nice view over the Kreml.

Here a picture: [url]http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/01/08/moscow.hotel/[/url]

Already at the bar in the lobby and in the sofa you could see some girls, just two or three, the real thing was going on at the third floor…

I remember taking the lift typical six elevator soviet block… 8x8 meters, when the door opened you could see, around 10-11 pm, already 15 or 20 girls, then you had to go to the bar… at the right (in front there was still a beriozka!) The girls were living in the hotel, in the cheap rooms at CIS citizen prices (at that time there were still double prices).

You just got right from the elevators (at the left there was a pantera bar with older girls, around 25-30 y.o. usually very cultured and well English speaking), got in the bar making your steps in a corridor full of willing teens…

The bar went restructured… firs it had the classical desk like a pub plus a lot of “closed” tables… you just had to sit there take a drink, look around and smile to a chosen girl, in a couple of minutes she was sitting there usually asking for a coke or a beer (they had no idea of night club concept making you spending on drinks!). After renovation there was a dance podium in the middle, so you could choose the girls even better!

The standard rate was 100 USD/night, often including BBBJ and anal! 150 for 24 hours!

I met two sisters (18 and 20) and tried to do them both, but they did not want… (I was already a pig :D ) One (18teen obviously) stayed a whole week in my room…

Another time two friends got two interpreters (Russian-Hungarian!), ya they were called so… Interpreters, of course they did a lot of togue work (on cocks!). My friends got tired on them, but living with their mates they had (for saving money) reserved other days for their room… Two nights and no place to go! The hotel was full for a religious meeting so low chanches in getting customers so I got them for two days for free, offering room/food, etc, but on ground they had no hotel card they could not get out of the hotel, really funny! A real 2 day orgy... I did not need Cialis at that time!

As in the pics section I wrote another thing this kind of Moscow do not exists anymore! Unfortunately! :(

IT

Fellow Mongers,

Has anybody ever heard of this service provider or has already some experience with it?

[url]http://www.russian-escorting.com/[/url]

Thank you for your kind feedback,

L.

I enjoy the mixed blessing of living next to an apartment brothel (or "salon" as the girls like to call it) in central Moscow. For 'defender's day' my company gave me a pair of binoculars, ostensibly to defend the motherland from fascists. I managed to put them to good use spying on the brothel,which keeps its windows open now that the weather is warmer. Anyway, the set up goes as follows - you ring #39 and they let you in (it's at 7 Tatarskaya, btw) and proceed to the top floor. There's a decked-out pink flat with neoclassical trim, where you're given a selection of about 5 girls to choose from - more on the weekends when they come in from the other cities. They charge either 2000 or 3000 roubles (80 or 120 bucks) based on quality. The salon has done well and now maintains satellite apartments in the surrounding buildings. I managed to get one of the cheaper ones, and on my way out I saw these fellow i-bankers. One of them had hooked up with this girl that had fallen for me months before, who I was surprised and happy to see - I had thought she was back in Tambov. I wanted to switch but mine was a few shades shorter, quality-wise. I should have slipped the banker 50 bones to close the deal.

Anyway the provincial girls are coming - school is out in a week and all of the new recruits are going to start to arrive at the city's open-air ***** markets. This 19-year old girl I got for about 20 bucks/hour in Saratov (the agency takes half- ha ha ha) called me at 2am last night because her dog had died and she felt depressed. Where else in the world does that happen?

[QUOTE=Big Bro AJ]Doc, Bez,

What's the new info about the registration?

I am planing to stay at my friend's apartment and register at travel agency(that I used several times).

Is this still possible or there are new regulations on registration procedures.

As usual I will be there for the weekend(approx. 38 hours)

Thnx.[/QUOTE]Registration is no longer the mind-boggling hassle it once was. I used to use [url]www.visalink.ru[/url], which will register you for about 40 bucks for a month. I'm here with a work permit and so now my company registers me.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]You are planning to go to Moscow and then refer to my post about St.Petersburg? That's a bad start.

Sponsorship has been discussed again and again on this board and you are still asking what it is?[/QUOTE]When you talk about 'internet' sponsorship specifically, I assume you mean finding a girl on one of the camslut sites (camcontacts, imlive) and making an offer, or do you mean finding a girl cold on icq or love.mail.ru that's po' and will jump at the chance? Many girls at this time of the year want to move to Moscow, and are more likely to sleep with you if you lie and say you own your flat, because owning a flat in Moscow is one of the few ways a 'normal' guy can become amazingly rich... (apartments are worth $4,000/m2 and up)

just arrived home from 6 day first time visit to moscow.

fascinating city. had some old friends (married couple) living there and I had spent the first three nights with them. although it was nice and off the beaten track nothing to report here.

on my last last night (unfortunately) moved to a friends rented house on tverskaya 6. fabulous apartment just for $250 night and it was serviced very professionally. Their addy can be found on Moscow Times (free english newspaper) which also has a website version.

After work, we eat at a place called pyramide cafe on tverskaya..mind you it was 30-35 celcius in moscow this week and you can NOT imagine what an eye-candy girls walking on Tverskaya were. I have travelled to more than 20 countries which some of which are holy monger destinations (cuba, thailand, brazil, ukraine) never seen anything like that. After dinner, my friend took me to a strip club called Safari. Brothers, that place rocked. Imagine a small place, like Luomo in Rio, put 50-60 half naked gorgeous slav women who walk around, tease and beg you for a lap dance with their gorgeous bodies, tight little asses and firm handful breasts. I thought I like bigger breasts but after this experience I changed my mind. Lap dance costs 200 rubles per song where you can do almost anything except fingering and kissing. You can have a more intimate 2 song version in a private cabin for 2000 rubles and fuck suck is also on the menu for app $200 per 30 minutes. So almost a Russian version of a Therma. After Safari, we head for the infamous Night Flight to complete my Moscow pilgramage. We got a cab and got off about 100 meters from NF. I saw 2 militia checking the ids of some local teenagers. For some stupid reason, I thought we could pass by while they were busy with them but the moment they saw us, they kind of launched on us. The thing is, you need to register within 3 working days. Since I have been told that it was a lot of hassle and I was leaving on the 4th day, I of course did not bother with registiring. The militia was very kind but said that it is a problem and that they will take us to the police station. My friend, who speaks sufficient russian, did not want me to spend my last hours in Moscow in a police station, so he settled a bribe of USD 250 (he was not registered either) with them. Guess their starting price for USD 400.

We got away and entered NF. One of the owners, was a friend of my friend so he treated us in. Wow. Its worth all the reputation. Although it was almost 2 am and probably most of the cute ones were already taken there were lots lots lots of beautiful women. They were quite agressive too. Some were jaded directly getting to the subject but some were quite nice to talk. My friend got a 10 face brunette and managed to get her down to USD 200 for 1 hour. I have been told that she worth every penny. I did some market research but the Newbie written on my forehead with zero russian skills the prices offered to me were mainly in the range of USD 400. Well it might worth if you got her early and fuck her all night long, maybe. Anyway, could not find the girl who would worth that in my book so I left empty handed.

Despite its crazy expensive nightlife, snobbish but at the same time the most unfucking belivable beautiful women, chaotic logistics for a non-russian speaker, Moscow is a place where each monger should see before he dies.

[QUOTE=Atreides75]... Guess their starting price for USD 400.

[/QUOTE]

Just like an NF ho? :)

You're still paying for sex. I spend about 20 dollars a night on my own drinks and I am still grabbing asses and kisses with consent IN THE US. I am reducing my costs over time. Russian is a backup plan that I haven't had to use yet. The risks are too high. I'll go as a far as prague. But heh, keep doing what you are doing. I am down to 20 a weekend to meet women in their 20s and I am middle age and average looking and I am doing this in the states. I try to use the experience over seas and apply it to the states. Anyone can pay for it but who wants to live like this where money does not grow on trees. I am just looking to come up with creative ideas. But sometimes you can't teach a monkey to dance.

There are producers and there are consumers. I don't want to be a consumer. Women have needs. Even good looking chicks like to fuck. They are fucking someone for free and it is not you. There are guys out there who are getting laid without paying for it. That's why I don't want to pay for an escort, because I know she is giving it away for free and laughing at you. I analyze the Moscow posts to try to understand how the freebies think. I do not believe that freebies just exist in Moscow. I think the Girls Gone Wild culture in the States is just a more subtle version of the freebies.

[QUOTE=Guy #2]You're still paying for sex. I spend about 20 dollars a night on my own drinks and I am still grabbing asses and kisses with consent IN THE US. I am reducing my costs over time. Russian is a backup plan that I haven't had to use yet. The risks are too high. I'll go as a far as prague. But heh, keep doing what you are doing. I am down to 20 a weekend to meet women in their 20s and I am middle age and average looking and I am doing this in the states. I try to use the experience over seas and apply it to the states. Anyone can pay for it but who wants to live like this where money does not grow on trees. I am just looking to come up with creative ideas. But sometimes you can't teach a monkey to dance.[/QUOTE]

G2:

Kindly do us all a favor and take your drivel to another board... it has nothing to do with Moscow, Russia or the thousands of super babes there you'll never fuck because you're too fucking cheap.

It Travel,

Its changed beyond recognition. Even back in 1999 I could get $150/night at the National just by turning up (although the room they usually gave me was like a broom cupboard in size), whilst the turn-up rate at the Intourist was $99. Although going upstairs to the Travel Agency in the building allowed you to buy vouchers often for $60. A weird and wonderful system alas no longer with us. Once turned up on-spec at the Intourist. Told me it was full. Walked around the corner and managed to persuade them to take $150/night at the National. National NEVER questioned the girls, at least if they were accompanied by you on the way in. I loved that place. Still do. Although its very pricy now. (it actually used to be part of the intourist chain in the 50s/60s/70s and 80s), as did the Savoy (also a nice hotel, perhaps not as good as the National but excellent Restaurant on the corner).

Before my seven years working in Moscow I actually stayed at probably all the major Hotels. I liked the National the best, Marriot Tverskaya the worst, others in between.

Once left $1000 in my room at the national. Forgot about it for a week (was busy.) remembered. Called them. And they had found it and kept it for me in the safe. Amazing. That was 1999 for you.

I have been checking out some of the sites like intimcity and devushki - I know that these are mostly "glammed up" but WOW, even if they are only 10% "real", these are women to spend the night of fun. Nice long, slim legs from floor to "heaven". Hope to find some of this talent in some of the clubs mentioned in the various ISG reports.
Can't wait for my first time trip to Moscow later part of this year.

[QUOTE=Privetprivet] Although its very pricy now. (it actually used to be part of the intourist chain in the 50s/60s/70s and 80s), as did the Savoy (also a nice hotel, perhaps not as good as the National but excellent Restaurant on the corner).

Before my seven years working in Moscow I actually stayed at probably all the major Hotels. I liked the National the best, Marriot Tverskaya the worst, others in between.

Once left $1000 in my room at the national. Forgot about it for a week (was busy.) remembered. Called them. And they had found it and kept it for me in the safe. Amazing. That was 1999 for you.[/QUOTE]

You mean "Grand Opera" near Savoy? Nice place, but haven't been there in years. Friend of mine once paid a 500 ruble bill with 500 euros (both approx same color) at Akademiya on Kamergersky and the waiter brought it back saying he couldn't change it. Sometimes in a city as cutthroat and corrupt as Moscow the honesty can be astounding.

Which hotels you like now?

I like SwissOtel for the best rooms, but location is impractical.

Hyatt Ararat has great lobby and roof terrace, rooms OK.

Budapest/Peter 1 also have good location and OK price, but average rooms.

Everything central 4*+seems to run at least $350/night these days, the new Ritz Carlton supposedly will "start" at $700/night... crazy ass prices.

As for me, I always liked Marriott Tverskaya, despite its less than ideal location and average facilities... but banging 2 of their staff in 1999-2000 might have influenced my decision. Life was too easy back then. Even strippers would meet you for free if they thought you might rescue them from economic doom. Tsunami was my favorite strip club, little podunk club in the basement. Closed years ago. Things changed about 2002 as Russia suddenly felt the money really flowing in and many Russian women decided there was more opportunity for them (i.e.$$$) by staying in Moscow with the locals as opposed to abandoning ship, at least that's the impression I got. Not that things ever got truly bad (they still aren't), but things definitely changed.

[QUOTE=Blaked]When you talk about 'internet' sponsorship specifically, I assume you mean finding a girl on one of the camslut sites (camcontacts, imlive) and making an offer, or do you mean finding a girl cold on icq or love.mail.ru that's po' and will jump at the chance? Many girls at this time of the year want to move to Moscow, and are more likely to sleep with you if you lie and say you own your flat, because owning a flat in Moscow is one of the few ways a 'normal' guy can become amazingly rich... (apartments are worth $4,000/m2 and up)[/QUOTE]

I mean those actively looking for sponsors, for example on love.mail.ru. They are getting more aggresive too... they write me all the time. Many of them turn out to simply be girls working in salons. Seems that regular pros and agencies are infiltrating the sponsorship market, which actually is something between prostitution and girlfriend depending on how you choose to see it... sponsorship doesn't make much sense for me personally, but for some I suppose its a good deal.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]You mean "Grand Opera" near Savoy? Nice place, but haven't been there in years. Friend of mine once paid a 500 ruble bill with 500 euros (both approx same color) at Akademiya on Kamergersky and the waiter brought it back saying he couldn't change it. Sometimes in a city as cutthroat and corrupt as Moscow the honesty can be astounding.

Which hotels you like now?[/QUOTE]I had an apartment so haven't used Hotels (at least in Moscow) for years. As for chains... Intercontinentals are outstanding, Marriot Grande/5* great, Marriot any less than this varies greatly. Thats about all I know. On my trips to Moscow now I rent apartments or stay with friends. I will be back full time next year and I hate to see what prices will be then (I was paying $3000/month for a Western Remont 2 Room however it was overlooking the Kremlin almost so great location).

[QUOTE]As for me, I always liked Marriott Tverskaya, despite its less than ideal location and average facilities... but banging 2 of their staff in 1999-2000 might have influenced my decision. Life was too easy back then. Even strippers would meet you for free if they thought you might rescue them from economic doom. Tsunami was my favorite strip club, little podunk club in the basement. Closed years ago. Things changed about 2002 as Russia suddenly felt the money really flowing in and many Russian women decided there was more opportunity for them (i.e.$$$) by staying in Moscow with the locals as opposed to abandoning ship, at least that's the impression I got. Not that things ever got truly bad (they still aren't), but things definitely changed.[/QUOTE]Well 2002 was they year the "remont" signs were so frequent it was unreal, ever since it has of course go crazier. Moscow has changed, its no longer the good old days of 1998/1999 with Rick at the Duck and Marty running the ship at the BH like a King in splendour and 8's at $50. I don't even recommend the Duck anymore... it will never return to its former glory.... those days are gone. Duck used to be great for freebies... god I miss those days. Remember Dillon? Think he's still in Moscow as I saw him fairly recently at the BH.

Ever go to "Territoriya" just off tverskaya? Closed now I believe. Haven't checked. I just loved that place. A few 9's freebies. It was heaven.

Moscow is a shadow of its former days and to be honest for mongering I don't now recommend it. The BH is truly scary with the same girls.. and aggressive if they think you are a newbie (who stick out like a sore thumb).

Even Territoriya on a Thursday is noweher near as good as even 2-3 years ago. PJ's is OK (but hard to pick up in), Karma/Buddha is variable (although Jose is a good friend of mine so I keep going), ROG's can sometimes be a good choice, Molly G's is hopeless (too small, but I managed to get a 8-9 barmaid!), RMCoys too small, The JB's variable... I might post a guide to Moscow clubs up here (or at least the ones I have frequented). I might add my Fahkie factor varies from the exiles... :)

I understand that Moscow is in the middle of a record heat wave.
This must do amazing things for the dyev dress code!
Please anyone who is in Moscow currently post some prose about the miniskirt factor for those of us who are dyev-deprived!

Under Plan A I was supposed to go to Moscow tonight.
But instead I am stuck back here in the hinterland for another few months until the miniskirt season has safely passed....

So anyone on-site, be a pal and let the rest of us live vicariously through your exploits....

Hi all, when I was in Moscow couple of years ago, I met a smart young who went to Moscow to study russian. He told me in which school he stayed, but I forgot, however he paid something as 500 euro to stay one month in single room inside campus of the university+everyday russian lesson.

Beside the really chance to learn russian, he got for free so many girls living inside the university that often, he said, was not able to manage all his female friends. (sometime he told me had to lock the door when he went to sleep or the girls knocked on his door and get into if he did not open the door..).

He told me the chances to score the students were amazing, easier than your fantasy could imagine, it was enough to cook something good for dinner in the kitchen inside the campus and immediately he got new friends, some vodka and often he slept the same night with new one girl.

Beside this, during the weekend when he went out, he was....in Moscow with all what we very well know Moscow offers...

I think it is almost impossible to stay in Moscow one month with 500 euro, so it is a very good cheap way to live there and to get many girls too.

I remember the kind of light in his eyes when he told me his adventures there, that I am enough sure, he did not lie!
He was not rich, not Brad Pitt and he lived spending in one month there much less than what we could spend in one weekend in Moscow....having houndreds pussy more...

Anybody...never thought about this? Anybody really studied in university in Moscow?

For those who can take couple of month of holiday or stop from work can be really a--totally--unforgettable experience!

I am really interested to know the opinions of the best experienced Moscow master as Doc Skank, Bez Bezzarra, It Travel and the others. What you think guys?

The good and the bad points of an experience like this???
Better in Moscow or maybe in Piter can be better? (for example smaller city, less dangerous,cheaper price?)

Not for this year,but for the next year, I am thinking pretty seriously about that! ( so during the weekend I can be your sex-turistic guide for free in the city ;) most important with knowledge of language too...)

Waiting your answers...have fun out there! :)

[QUOTE]Even Territoriya on a Thursday is noweher near as good as even 2-3 years ago. PJ's is OK (but hard to pick up in), Karma/Buddha is variable (although Jose is a good friend of mine so I keep going), ROG's can sometimes be a good choice, Molly G's is hopeless (too small, but I managed to get a 8-9 barmaid!), RMCoys too small, The JB's variable... I might post a guide to Moscow clubs up here (or at least the ones I have frequented). I might add my Fahkie factor varies from the exiles... :)[/QUOTE]Sorry I mean't Thurs at Propaganda obviously.

Territoriya is closed and has been a while!

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Hi all, when I was in Moscow couple of years ago, I met a smart young who went to Moscow to study russian. He told me in which school he stayed, but I forgot, however he paid something as 500 euro to stay one month in single room inside campus of the university+everyday russian lesson.

I am really interested to know the opinions of the best experienced Moscow master as Doc Skank, Bez Bezzarra, It Travel and the others. What you think guys?

Waiting your answers...have fun out there! :)[/QUOTE]

Lukasek,

I take a week-long Russian course every year, which is more vacation than anything else. I've been to Kiev and Odessa and am seriously considering Moscow for this fall, even though I cannot stay longer than 10 days due to my work. Staying in a dorm could be quite the adventure. Basically I am thinking like you... staying in the dorm might get some easy sex with co-eds... :)

Here are links for MSU/MGU/Lomonosov
[url]http://www.ruslanguage.ru/[/url]
[url]http://www.rlcentre.com/index_e.shtml[/url]

Other places I've looked at are Kaliningrad, Donetsk, St.Petersburg, Volgograd, Crimea... there really is an endless list of possibilities.

Many of the courses have a 2-week minimum stay, some of them even longer. So look at the requirements closely when reading up on them.

I can only repeat again and again that learning Russian, even just a little bit, will improve your scoring rate with Russian women. Some real hotties out there that simply do not speak English (or are afraid to) and if they can't communicate with you, it's hard to get something started. Just spent 3 wonderful days in Sochi with a Kylie-Minogue clone that didn't speak a word of English. Without my "average" Russian, I wouldn't have gotten past first base. As it turned out, she came home with me on the first night.

[QUOTE=Privetprivet]I had an apartment so haven't used Hotels (at least in Moscow) for years. As for chains... Intercontinentals are outstanding, Marriot Grande/5* great, Marriot any less than this varies greatly. Thats about all I know. On my trips to Moscow now I rent apartments or stay with friends. I will be back full time next year and I hate to see what prices will be then (I was paying $3000/month for a Western Remont 2 Room however it was overlooking the Kremlin almost so great location).

... I might post a guide to Moscow clubs up here (or at least the ones I have frequented). I might add my Fahkie factor varies from the exiles... :)[/QUOTE]

That'd be great. I'd do the same. Interesting to see how different clubs work in different ways for different guys.

I for example have always hated PJs but have done very well in Real McCoy.

Any tips you could give would be great, as lately I've been meeting all my girls through work (danger Will Robinson danger!) and through the internet (lazy man's dating but highly effective) and haven't done much clubbing in the last 6 months.

Molly G's: the only girls there ARE the wait staff. :)

Karma: still draws some major babes sometimes, many of them getting their first club experience and first experience with foreigners. Negative aspect is that every foreigner that goes to Moscow seems to start at Karma as well... :)

Prop: Always found that place to be hopelessly claustrophobic.

Really miss the long-since defunct Pfleg Dog too.. concerts there sometimes drew very cute girls.

How's the cocktail bar scene? For awhile 30-7 etc. was THE place... but now there are a lot of these type places. Went to Alex Alcohall for example and wasn't impressed. Same story on Tema etc.

eXile's list is a nice starting point, but is also highly influenced by their staffs personal favorites and doesn't really correspond with my list.

As for apartments vs. hotels, I've been staying in apartments since 2001, but have never been really happy with the quality in Moscow... even St.Petersburg and Kiev have better flats available for short-term let. Guess it doesn't make sense to rent out flats short-term in Moscow so we get whatever scraps are left.

By the way, is [url]www.moscow-star.com[/url] still running? Rick hasn't answered my mail in a long time. Have been using [url]www.gotorussia.com[/url] which is quite ok, but averaging $160-180/night.

$3000/month was a great price by the way... but you knew that already... :)

[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]I understand that Moscow is in the middle of a record heat wave.

This must do amazing things for the dyev dress code!

Please anyone who is in Moscow currently post some prose about the miniskirt factor for those of us who are dyev-deprived![/QUOTE]Check my picture post. I was in the middle of 30+C heatwave. And the dyev were coming out of the woodworks

[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]

I understand that Moscow is in the middle of a record heat wave.

[/QUOTE]

Yeah it said Moscow was 93 degrees F, the same day that Warsaw and Paris were only about 72, so it looked like a mistake.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Hi all, when I was in Moscow couple of years ago, I met a smart young who went to Moscow to study russian. He told me in which school he stayed, but I forgot, however he paid something as 500 euro to stay one month in single room inside campus of the university+everyday russian lesson.

Beside the really chance to learn russian, he got for free so many girls living inside the university that often, he said, was not able to manage all his female friends.

Waiting your answers...have fun out there! :)[/QUOTE]It's a good idea, especially if you're still in your 20s or 30s. When I was in that age-bracket, I usually stayed in university accommodations when I travelled. Cheap, usually good locations, great social life (clubs etc) but more importantly, many young and willing women of all nationalities. Because they were also staying in uni accommodations, it meant they were far from home (and sometimes lonely), so they were more adventurous than usual.

A mid-30s pal of mine took a Russian language course and lived on campus near St Pete last year. He was having the time of his life with the girls until he was mugged and severely beaten, and decided to leave town fast.

[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]Yeah it said Moscow was 93 degrees F, the same day that Warsaw and Paris were only about 72, so it looked like a mistake.[/QUOTE]

Prague was awful this week, too. First about +30C, then down to 7-10 or less (I was in boots which I wear in Moscow in winter, thanks god I had them in my suitcase), now getting hot again, everybody is in sandals. In Moscow my friends said it was a hurricane today, but hope it's still quieter than Prague. And we don't have such terrible roads as here. Guys, don't believe when you here that roads in Russia are worst in the world. In Czech Republic they are much, much, much worse.

[QUOTE=Guy #2]There are producers and there are consumers. I don't want to be a consumer. Women have needs. Even good looking chicks like to fuck. They are fucking someone for free and it is not you. There are guys out there who are getting laid without paying for it. That's why I don't want to pay for an escort, because I know she is giving it away for free and laughing at you. I analyze the Moscow posts to try to understand how the freebies think. I do not believe that freebies just exist in Moscow. I think the Girls Gone Wild culture in the States is just a more subtle version of the freebies.[/QUOTE]

Dear Guy, now good girls in Russia suddenly began to believe in family values. Life is getting better, girls want to multiply, to be loved and cared for. Almost no decent girls want just to fuck (especially to become a free-fuck-friend of a foreigner who may any moment disappear). Even escorts this year began to believe in family values, can you imagine? It seems to be the trend. Russian women no more want to invest their precious life-time in temporary things (though I don't know too much about distant villages, but can speak about Moscow). So for honest guys there are still 2 save possibilities: to pay or to marry. For honest+brave ones there is one more: to approach a girl you like and honestly inform her that you want to fuck her. Then to hear the answer. If you find the one who agrees, post about your experience, this will be really interesting. If you don't worn the girl about your plans she will automatically consider you searching for serious relatioships and when she discovers your real plans (very fast) you are very fast kicked out with a huge ugly scandal. You are lucky if you by accident don't cross in a dark street boxer-brother or bandit-father :) Things like "yes, I liked you but I didn't promise you anything" don't work any more. Everybody is fed up with this shit. Women in Russia are no more desperate, the learned how to survive (including surviving without a man due to our bad situation with their amount). For fun and fuck they now prefer to go to special strip-clubs with men dancing. The most popular ones are "Egoistka" and "Red Hat". Compare yourself with the dancers. If you look the same or better, your chances grow. Each decent girl now has a stip-teaser fun-and-fuck-friend (they are quite affortable and sometimes free, because they also need fun and tired of serving ugly old women from Rublevka). And the girls are becoming so terribly picky... Even in a fuck-and-fun-boy they search now not just phisical beauty, but also kind heart and intelligence. Inperfections are forgiven only to real men for real relationships (with marriage, kids... I guess you already understood - just dating is no more fashionable). And to tell you the truth even professionals are so terribly tired of cinizm, you can't emagine.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]I for example have always hated PJs but have done very well in Real McCoy.[/QUOTE]I have never liked PJ's... if their were a fire there.... we'd all be toast. Its a death trap. Just like the Manezh (according to my architect friend). Russian Health&Safety leaves a lot to be desired. PJ's is hard to score, RMC's is OK I guess.. I have scored a freebie 9 there.... once :)

[QUOTE]Any tips you could give would be great, as lately I've been meeting all my girls through work (danger Will Robinson danger!) and through the internet (lazy man's dating but highly effective) and haven't done much clubbing in the last 6 months.[/QUOTE]Nor me as I have been away from Moscow. The old favorites neve rgo away of course.

[QUOTE]Molly G's: the only girls there ARE the wait staff. :)[/QUOTE]Surprisingly it sometimes attracts single intellectual girls and I had a threesome once with two Scandanavian (female!) diplomats I met there.... long story.

[QUOTE]Karma: still draws some major babes sometimes, many of them getting their first club experience and first experience with foreigners. Negative aspect is that every foreigner that goes to Moscow seems to start at Karma as well... :)
[/QUOTE]I only go now as I have VIP and avoid the queue. I know the staff quite well which helps. But it not cheap...

[QUOTE]Prop: Always found that place to be hopelessly claustrophobic.[/QUOTE]Yeh... hard to pull because of this. It's too popular and the bouncers are heavy handed. Rarely go now.

[QUOTE]Really miss the long-since defunct Pfleg Dog too.. concerts there sometimes drew very cute girls.[/QUOTE]Still hold a Phleg Dog VIP Card no 13XX (the one with the Albion Logo in the corner). I liked the place.. esp the Albion as it was often empty so I could get drunk in peace!

[QUOTE]How's the cocktail bar scene? For awhile 30-7 etc. was THE place... but now there are a lot of these type places. Went to Alex Alcohall for example and wasn't impressed. Same story on Tema etc.[/QUOTE]Only ever drink Cocktails at Karma (to get the girls drunk)... often spent/spend $100-250 a night on Cocktails there. It isn't cheap. Usually my drink is Troika (Baltika 3).

[QUOTE]eXile's list is a nice starting point, but is also highly influenced by their staffs personal favorites and doesn't really correspond with my list.[/QUOTE]Exiles list is based upon how much advertising they get from the place. Ever heard them say anything bad about Doug (Steeles) places? Not that they are bad.. they are good in fact.... but the exile is $$$ based. And Mark I hear isn't safe in half the bars in Moscow so he can't personally review them :)

[QUOTE]By the way, is [url]www.moscow-star.com[/url] still running? Rick hasn't answered my mail in a long time. Have been using [url]www.gotorussia.com[/url] which is quite ok, but averaging $160-180/night.[/QUOTE]Haven't spoken to Rick in a few years. He rarely ventures to my venues... occasionally prop and exceptionally the BH. He's a damned good guy.

[QUOTE]$3000/month was a great price by the way... but you knew that already... :)[/QUOTE]The landlady was putting it up as I left. Company paid though. However I could have stayed. More fool me some may say.

Doctor Skank thanks,

it really seems you already tried and tested everything about Russia!

Very useful links, here what I found:

[url]www.pushkin.edu.ru[/url]

Which is the best,between these three, in Moscow in your opinion?

Maybe do you have one link of school in Piter too?

Could you please write the negative aspects of this experience? (maybe the low quality of the room you get inside the campus? maybe the safety factor?)

However I think the most important thing is if, once you stayed there, you can be free as if you was in hotel? I mean, could you leave the room at the evening and comeback late night or the campus is closed during the night and if you go out to disco you have to stay out till morning?

In my opinion you are one of the best contributor in Russia photo gallery, you posted there 4 years ago the first photo, you started the photo gallery with a girl with amazing body and you keep on posting in all these years really models type, so I guess, some of them are girls you met during your stay there as "student" too, or the typical student girl you can get in school is not so beautiful?

When you have a while, why you do not write one report about the adventures/girls you got during your stay in Russia as student??
I am sure, everybody will enjoy it so much as me :) and it will be obviously very interesting and something totally new in this thread.

I agree totally with you, russian is so difficult that even with very poor knowledge you can get a big plus with the girls,my experience of this month is with a russian SW here at my home, 20yo from Moscow, from the first meeting, nice sex but nothing special, became very good sex with bbbj+covered sex, (with only 50 euro), from the second meeting once I started to speak my poor russian+put in mp3 in the car songs of Gosti iz buduchego and told her I love Russia and all about Russia.
Never get tired of studing russian, it worth it!

Hello Piper1,

could you please explain better what happened to your friend? If he did some mistakes or if he was just unlucky or what exactly?

I guess when you live there, together the chance to get much more pussy, you increase the risk to get some troubles too, for example it is enough to make jealous a wrong girl that one of her friends or brother or so on,can give you problems.

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]Compare yourself with the dancers. If you look the same or better, your chances grow. Each decent girl now has a stip-teaser fun-and-fuck-friend (they are quite affortable and sometimes free, because they also need fun and tired of serving ugly old women from Rublevka). And the girls are becoming so terribly picky... Even in a fuck-and-fun-boy they search now not just phisical beauty, but also kind heart and intelligence. Inperfections are forgiven only to real men for real relationships [/QUOTE]

This sounds just like the situation in London, or any Western city - i.e. the girls are the consumers, the pickers and the choosers, and the guys have to be the pretty ones. Same BS.

It's understandable that Dr Skank devotes a great deal of time and research to sussing out this difficult and expensive place. He's here for work, and the fact that you're making money does justify spending it.

But, for the rest of us, surely the Samaras, Volgograds and Nizhny Novgorods are the places to be? All big cities, plenty of good looking girls (no, they haven't all moved to the capital) and none of the snooty-arsed "I live in Moscow" attitude. And MUCH lower prices.

It's a cliche, but the FSU is known for being both poor and stuffed full of hotties. It does seem oddly perverse to go to the ONLY place in the entire ex Communist world that's actually richer than the West in order to get girls 'cheaply'.

I can't quite figure it out.

[QUOTE=Ash1001]This sounds just like the situation in London, or any Western city - i.e. the girls are the consumers, the pickers and the choosers, and the guys have to be the pretty ones. Same BS.

It's understandable that Dr Skank devotes a great deal of time and research to sussing out this difficult and expensive place. He's here for work, and the fact that you're making money does justify spending it.

But, for the rest of us, surely the Samaras, Volgograds and Nizhny Novgorods are the places to be? All big cities, plenty of good looking girls (no, they haven't all moved to the capital) and none of the snooty-arsed "I live in Moscow" attitude. And MUCH lower prices.

It's a cliche, but the FSU is known for being both poor and stuffed full of hotties. It does seem oddly perverse to go to the ONLY place in the entire ex Communist world that's actually richer than the West in order to get girls 'cheaply'.

I can't quite figure it out.[/QUOTE]

Well IMHO Helen is right that a lot of Russian girls have rediscovered their female calling to reproduce and have a family (after all demigod Putin says every women should have 3 children), but it's a massive exaggeration to say that most girls are banging strippers in their free time or completely uninterested in casual sex. I was there 2 weeks ago and screwed a married woman and 2 girls with steady boyfriends and a girl I just met off the internet in 6 days... so don't start thinking they've suddenly discovered morality.

And no, I don't look like a stripper.

One thing has been true for awhile though, it's obviously much easier to score if you have some connection with Moscow that allows you to return there on a regular basis. Girls somehow sense this. And learn some Russian. Even if you don't necessarily need it to communicate, it gives you some kind of credibility as something beyond just another girl-crazy tourist or wide-eyed horny businessman on his first trip to Moscow.

As for the regional cities, they're still a couple years behind Moscow in every form of development and your foreign status will go farther. Be wary of race issues and take care of yourself though. A lot of Russian guys hate to see their women with foreign guys. It's a cliche that drives them nuts. Their own damn fault it is that way too.

Moscow as a freebie destination? It's expensive, but I still prefer it to Kiev. If you've got the courage, give the regional cities a go. I always enjoy myself there too... and there are so many... :)

[QUOTE=Ash1001]

Dr Skank's here for work.

But for the rest of us, surely Samara, Volgograd and Novgorod are the places to be?

All big cities good looking girls haven't the snooty-arsed attitude.
And MUCH lower prices.

FSU is poor and full of hotties.

Its odd to go to the ONLY place that's actually richer than the West to get girls 'cheaply'.

I can't quite figure it out.

[/QUOTE]

Because its not true. Nobody's going to Moscow for cheap, anymore. And in the provinces, its not as cheap as you think, at least not now. Sure, starting prices are much lower, but that usually comes with all the restrictions and rules. 2 hours will be 3000 rubles, but that doesn't mean you'll get GFE treatment. You want GFE, BBBJ, fotos, etc., you'll probably need to throw in another $50 to $100. And anal is still rare. So when you start asking for everything extra, its not a low price anymore. But in comparison, you can usually get anything, for what is now around the Moscow starting prices. But then again, you find the right girl with the right attitude, and you quickly forget about money.

As far as the other places to be, trust me when I tell you, that it all depends on the girl. There is definitely snooty attitude in the other cities, though its all about how pretty the girls look. I had opportunities to meet as many girls as I had time to, though like I already said, they're all working or in Institutes, so they limit when they'll meet you to 17:00 to about 19:00. That's the first problem, when you have to figure out how to squeeze 2 or 3 meetings into 2 hours! It does get tricky!

But the real issue is that most of them that are interested to meet, are not hot. They're just plain janes, nothing special, and certainly not up to my standards. Maybe the rest of you are not picky, and will fuck anything with a hole and a heartbeat, but I won't.

Yes, of course I did meet A FEW super hot ones. If you keep up a furious pace and devote maximum time to this effort, in a 2 week period, its always going to happen. BUT these are the girls with the attitude. Not necessarily snootiness, but basically impossible to get into bed unless you have more than a few weeks. On my last 3 trips, the hottest of all the models/students I met, were more than happy to go to cafe's, even come to my flat, but would not put out. The hottest one, I tried offering her "big" money, but she kept saying about her boyfirned. In these cases, though I should know better than to waste too much time on them on second and thrid dates without them starting to show promise, they are just so fucking hot, I let myself be fooled into thinking something will develop, but it doesn't. When I think back about the last girl, a med student who was too cute to believe, she dressed to kill when we met, but was so sweet and friendly, I decided against offering her a bunch of cash, and just pursued her as a serious relationship. Now that I think back, the way she was dressed when we met, maybe she was expecting a big sponsorship. I should have learned by now, that these girls aren't really offended when you propose to be their sponsor, they're SO hot that they must get offers from locals with money too. So if they do turn it down, then you just apologize and its forgotten. At least I think.

At the next level are the girls who are NOT dressing up to show off how hot they are, so on first glance, they look kind of pretty, just not really hot. These girls ARE doable. Dressed plainly, you really can't tell what's hiding underneath, but when they show you, they have great tits and nice asses. They're just modest about their looks, therefore NO attitude. These are the ones that make it worth all the hassles. The problem is that for every one of these girls, I meet about 7 others that are the plain jane type that are either chubby or too homely to waste my time, because I know that there's always the chance to meet a cutie, an hour or two later.

I don't know about you guys, but I just have to draw a line somewhere, and not settle for mediocrity, when siginificant talent is out there waiting to be found.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]
Hello Piper1,

could you please explain better what happened to your friend? If he did some mistakes or if he was just unlucky or what exactly?

I guess when you live there, together the chance to get much more pussy, you increase the risk to get some troubles too, for example it is enough to make jealous a wrong girl that one of her friends or brother or so on,can give you problems.[/QUOTE]He was unusually vague on the details, as he told me the story while my wife was with us. He said it was a mugging or maybe a racist bashing. I do know he's overly-confident and sometimes pushy in approaching girls in clubs, coffee shops, on campus, on the street, anywhere. Maybe he rubbed up a boyfriend the wrong way. Maybe it was because he was an Arab in a small Russian town (Petrovodstok - pardon my spelling).

Skank and Bez, thanks for the perspectives.

Bez, I'm not an expert in the Russian market, being a frequent visitor to Kiev and Ukraine's provinces, but I think the exact relationship between a girl's attractiveness and market price is not so tightly defined. I've met beautiful girls who really want to spend time getting to know you and don't mind if the dates you take them on are $10 ones at a coffee shop. And somewhat chubby ones who won't settle for anything less than 'true love', which they define financially as an allowance of $3000 per month :) (Kiev prices). I don't need to say this, but it's all about getting lucky.

I personally think that all women classify men into 2 types: the reliable provider (the type that would be suitable for marriage, sponsor or generous boyfriend) with whom they will delay having sex, and the exciting 'bad boy', with whom they'd love to have a one night stand but can't be sure if he'll ever phone after the event.

What probably distinguishes Skank (and maybe a few others on this site) is the ability to come across as the second type, which opens to doors to no-strings freebie action, often shortly after the initial approach. I think that until we've really honed our 'game' to the stage where we're percieved this way - and, I suppose, believe it ourselves - it will be a case of mentally juggling the time and financial costs of getting a girl to say yes with the price of p4p.

True, going to a Russian provincial city will cost you less once you're there, but the extra travelling and less developed p4p market will waste more of your time. As a consultant who charges a daily rate, every day I'm not at work costs me dear so I'm probably best off arriving in Moscow on a Friday, doing an NF girl that night, a CF girl the next night and going home Sunday :) I'm beginning to lose any sense of pride about getting it more 'wholesomely' with a freebie. I'm just going to look at the Quality / (Time x Cost) ratio.

For those of you interested in what (some) Russian ladies in London are up to, and fancy a laugh, read this article: [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=458832&in_page_id=1879[/url]

If any guy thinks he can get top quality for free, he's kidding himself :)

[QUOTE=Ash1001]Skank and Bez, thanks for the perspectives.

I personally think that all women classify men into 2 types: the reliable provider (the type that would be suitable for marriage, sponsor or generous boyfriend) with whom they will delay having sex, and the exciting 'bad boy', with whom they'd love to have a one night stand but can't be sure if he'll ever phone after the event.

What probably distinguishes Skank (and maybe a few others on this site) is the ability to come across as the second type, which opens to doors to no-strings freebie action, often shortly after the initial approach.

For those of you interested in what (some) Russian ladies in London are up to, and fancy a laugh, read this article: [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=458832&in_page_id=1879[/url]

If any guy thinks he can get top quality for free, he's kidding himself :)[/QUOTE]

There's definitely a degree of truth to that and it is advantageous to be perceived as mischevious/bad/unpredicatable/exciting in my experience. It's so self-evident that it's like autopilot for me when I am in my good phases. When in a dry spell, I usually discover that I am trying too hard and overpursuing.

Be bad, but don't be rude. Rude they don't like, but they do like games. I often find it's easier to get 3 or 4 girls essentially at the same time as it is to just get one you focus on.

When juggling 3 or 4 you are cool... you don't answer SMSs immediately, you don't desperately pursue dates and you don't overdote. This sparks their interest.

Girls like to be chased... but only to a degree. They also like to chase a bit too. Don't make it to easy on them, they lose interest if you are too interested.

This of course applies mainly to the casual type relationship. If she is looking for something more serious and you've already headed down that road, she'll lap up as much attention as you can give her. There is no point holding back then... if you want the same thing. I've BTDT and it has it's rewards... but being an EE junkie I know it's virtually impossible to stay faithful to one woman there. A closet romantic, I don't count out the possibility entirely and have met a few girls worthy of a serious commitment, but there is just too much temptation. Most EE vets and especially expats living in EE say the same to me.

A lot of my girls were initially interested in something more than just casual sex, but I try to establish early on that only a casual relationship is possible... mentioning that I travel a lot, not denying having other girls in other cities etc. Most go for it anyway. Makes things easier in the long run. And the number that have regular boyfriends on the side and still fuck me is disturbing. Makes me wonder how common that kind of stuff is. Maybe an advantage being foreign in that aspect, taking the role of their sex toy or "fuck friend" as they put it.

One thing that definitely scores big time for me is that I can go from bad boy to sentimental guy in a heartbeat. Switching gears goes a long way with them, both in conversation, flirting and in bed. Keeps them guessing. And despite any of their faults, Russian women are very emotional and passionate. Don't ignore these aspects. And they are great conversationalists. If you can get them into a conversation and break down any defensive barriers they have, that'll usually lead to sex if you play your cards right. Most women have admitted to me that being able to talk to a guy is important to them. It's definitely not the only thing and not sure where it actually ranks in importance, but they often mention it. Go figure. :)

Most of all though, you have to find things that work for you. Some guys employ methods very successfully that don't work for me at all and vice-versa.... it's all relative.

All the "strategy talk" is useful and fun on a superficial basis, but ultimately you are face-to-face with her alone and it comes down to adapting your game accordingly. Every girl is different as is every guy. And keep the initiative on your side.

Thanks for the article on London BTW. That's horrible... and there are girls like that in Moscow too obviously. What I hate the most is the probing/demeaning "is money a problem for you?" question. High-priced *****s like to ask it too. Suki.

Those women deserve a polite response like:
"Is fitting my fat cock in your ass a problem for you b1tch?"

Nothing a bit of lube can't fix... :)

If you want to be out of money you gan just sponsor this teen...

[url]http://www.flirt.com.ua/dev_ll444/[/url]

Taskent, but I think if you are rich enough she will come to Moscow... simply incredible, an 18teen just out from the high school and look at some pics..

I think if you sponsor such a girl (it would be so for me in any case) you would be with no work and completely out of money in some months...

IT

PS But if you are a Russian billionare... she can be a benefit for one of your directors :(

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]Dear Guy, now good girls in Russia suddenly began to believe in family values. Life is getting better, girls want to multiply, to be loved and cared for. Almost no decent girls want just to fuck (especially to become a free-fuck-friend of a foreigner who may any moment disappear). Even escorts this year began to believe in family values, can you imagine? It seems to be the trend. Russian women no more want to invest their precious life-time in temporary things (though I don't know too much about distant villages, but can speak about Moscow). So for honest guys there are still 2 save possibilities: to pay or to marry. For honest+brave ones there is one more: to approach a girl you like and honestly inform her that you want to fuck her. Then to hear the answer. If you find the one who agrees, post about your experience, this will be really interesting. If you don't worn the girl about your plans she will automatically consider you searching for serious relatioships and when she discovers your real plans (very fast) you are very fast kicked out with a huge ugly scandal. You are lucky if you by accident don't cross in a dark street boxer-brother or bandit-father :) Things like "yes, I liked you but I didn't promise you anything" don't work any more. Everybody is fed up with this shit. Women in Russia are no more desperate, the learned how to survive (including surviving without a man due to our bad situation with their amount). For fun and fuck they now prefer to go to special strip-clubs with men dancing. The most popular ones are "Egoistka" and "Red Hat". Compare yourself with the dancers. If you look the same or better, your chances grow. Each decent girl now has a stip-teaser fun-and-fuck-friend (they are quite affortable and sometimes free, because they also need fun and tired of serving ugly old women from Rublevka). And the girls are becoming so terribly picky... Even in a fuck-and-fun-boy they search now not just phisical beauty, but also kind heart and intelligence. Inperfections are forgiven only to real men for real relationships (with marriage, kids... I guess you already understood - just dating is no more fashionable). And to tell you the truth even professionals are so terribly tired of cinizm, you can't emagine.[/QUOTE]Helena Moscow describes the way russian girls think and ukrainian girls maybe wish to think. Anyway I meet everything Helena describes from the opposite site and reflects the reality. I wanted to ask Helena if:

1. Are there differences between czech and russian girls? Who are more available, open minded, cost less etc? Did she feel jealous of czech girls like many western women?

2. Does she think ukrainian and moldovan girls are different from russian ones and in what way? (Russian women claim ukrainian girls are dumb).

3. In her opinion foreigners are cheap and cannot compete the local oligarches? Her opinions would be of interest for mongers.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Thanks for the article on London BTW. That's horrible... and there are girls like that in Moscow too obviously. What I hate the most is the probing/demeaning "is money a problem for you?" question. High-priced *****s like to ask it too. Suki.[/QUOTE]

With reference to that watch she wanted, I'm not sure I'd have thought of it in the heat of the moment but the perfect response would have been: "Of course my darling, tomorrow that timepiece will be on your wrist. Right now, back to mine, it's time for a meeting of souls... "

And when dawn breaks you tell her all about your debt problems.. :D

I got asked for a laptop by a pre-op pamela anderson in Kiev three years ago. That night she got talking to the 18 year old son of a local "big man", after about an hour of this humiliation, I manufactured a row to get out of it. I had met her within 24 hours of landing but within three days and so much eye candy it was time to move on.

[QUOTE=It Travel]If you want to be out of money you gan just sponsor this teen...

[url]http://www.flirt.com.ua/dev_ll444/[/url]

Taskent, but I think if you are rich enough she will come to Moscow... simply incredible, an 18teen just out from the high school and look at some pics..

I think if you sponsor such a girl (it would be so for me in any case) you would be with no work and completely out of money in some months.

IT

PS But if you are a Russian billionare... she can be a benefit for one of your directors :([/QUOTE]Profile says Moscow (maybe it changed). However having spent a considerable time in Tashkent, I have come to the conclussion it is a VERY underrated mongering destination. Hanging out at Juliano's on a Friday evening as a VIP was a life experience you gotta have. No so much for the Uzbek chicks (some of whom were available) but the ethnic Russians were stunning (you could get away with $40) - some of them even know where to find rooms (which is a requirement as no Western Hotel chain - i.e. Intercontinental) would let them pass. The Intercont Manager "Helen" a black chick from the States had an eagle eye believe me.

[QUOTE=Ash1001]....
And when dawn breaks you tell her all about your debt problems.. :D[/QUOTE]

Or...tell all about her...that she kisses as student, she is so cold in sex..you need and deserve much more...she is nice,but her body miss the "fire"...she miss the most important thing in a woman...she is just a Ferrari without engine! :)

However joking aside, in couple of years I am afraid we all members ISG we will meet in Siberia to get nice pussy at good price...

P.S: thanks for the article Ash1001..we have something to reflect...

Gold diggers are generally cunning and want cash in advance.I also found that dating EE girls in western countries(except Germany) is considerably more expensive than in EE.It has to do with the attitude of natives towards the girls and the level of competition.Probably the russian girls in London know there are lots of suckers willing to pay for them considerable amounts.

The appearance of western girls who are supposed to compete with them makes them even more selfish and greedy.That is why I prefer chasing in EE and never bring EE girls outside EE.(except polish and czech girls who are now in EU).

[QUOTE=Lukasek]

Or tell her she is cold in sex and her body miss the "fire"!

However joking aside, in couple of years I am afraid we all members ISG will meet in Siberia to get nice pussy at good price...

[/QUOTE]

If you get some hot piece of ass, and YOU can't figure out HOW to
set her on fire, perhaps YOU are missing something? :D

Joking aside, who needs to wait for Sibr pussy? :p

[QUOTE=Hecker] I wanted to ask Helena if:

1. Are there differences between czech and russian girls? Who are more available, open minded, cost less etc? Did she feel jealous of czech girls like many western women?

2. Does she think ukrainian and moldovan girls are different from russian ones and in what way? (Russian women claim ukrainian girls are dumb).

3. In her opinion foreigners are cheap and cannot compete the local oligarches? Her opinions would be of interest for mongers.[/QUOTE]

OK, here are my answers:
1. About Russian and Czech girls. Being in Czech Republic, of course, I paid attention to girls. I found them very pretty, didn't notice anybody who would look really ugly, and some girls really impressed me by the way they looked. Definetely they have a different sort of beauty - their features are thinner than the Russians and they have a different eyes expression, I'd say there is something wild and misterious about them. I'd be often unable to say with certainty what they are thinking about. With Russians it's much easier for me, may be because I am a Russian myself. I had no chance yet to know any Czech girls (or boys) very well, I only began to learn about the Czech and their culture. So I can't say anything about the difference in our attitudes, for this I need more time and information. I didn't feel jealous, not for a second. I don't think Russian and Czechs are rivals or something like this. We are just slightly different, but for sure must have much in common, because we are both slav. Some people may prefer Czech, others may prefer Russians. I didn't feel lack of attention to my person, felt OK. By the way, I think it's an exaggeration that western women are jealous of Czech or Russian girls or girls of any other country. I traveled a lot, and in every country you can meet many wonderful women, men, girls and boys. Teenagers are cute everywhere. Nobody is better or worse than others. In general the cost of living in Prague is less than in Moscow, so I suspect that escorts in general can be slightly cheaper. But at the same time I saw a lot of advertisement of rather expensive Czech escorts. There must be a market for them, too. Anyway this small difference in rates can be important only for clients whose choice a provider is based on price only. When the choice is more personal, 30% price difference doesn't change the weather.
2. Ukrainean women are OK, I have some Ukrainean friends, they are both smart and good-looking. Moldavians I don't know, never met them.
3. Foreigners have different possibilities from oligarches. There are enough cheap and good people in any part of society and in any nation. I'd judge people by what they do, not by where they belong to.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]

Be bad, but don't be rude. Rude they don't like, but they do like games. I often find it's easier to get 3 or 4 girls essentially at the same time as it is to just get one you focus on.

When juggling 3 or 4 you are cool... you don't answer SMSs immediately, you don't desperately pursue dates and you don't overdote. This sparks their interest.

Girls like to be chased... but only to a degree. They also like to chase a bit too. Don't make it to easy on them, they lose interest if you are too interested.

This of course applies mainly to the casual type relationship. [/QUOTE]


I really don't know where you find this sort of girls. I don't know any who would like this sort of games. For example, when I discover that a man plays tricks, I get rid of him even if he is a well-paying client. I think that playing tricks is disrespect to a person you are with, and it's absolutely not fun. Right, it makes women nervous and attracts attention. But then it depends on a women. If she likes to have things clear and feel happy (most of women I know prefer this), she will soon explain you the rules, and if after this you continue playing games, will soon turn you off. Probably after a huge histeric (because she will feel upset, used and humiliated). A man who responds sms with a dealy? - you kidding, a woman who has at least a drop of selfrespect will not be with a man who is so much uninterested in her that he doesn't even bother to respond in the proper time. The explanation like "sorry, dear, I was busy" is the synonim of "sorry, dear, I am an asshole, kick me out as soon as possible". All women who ever had relationships with men playing tricks always say to their friends: "I just don't understand, why he had to perform this ugly spectacular? He is an attractive man, and I liked him. If he didn't do this shit, I'd continue meeting him, but he behaved as a completely sick person... for what?" To me, for example, in any relationships - short, long or just business - my own comfort is the most important thing. I don't meet a person who tease me after I discover the game. And I don't have sex with him after this. Never. Under no condition, it's absolutely impossible, because my own quietness is more important. To my mind the only acceptable type of a "bad boy" is a fun-guy who entertains, but not playing tricks and keeps situation clear and fun for both. And, of course, this boy should say at the very first moment: "I'm just a bad boy, I'm here for fun only, I don't need serious relationships". Then if a girl feels OK about this, she may continue. This is at least honest.

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow] To my mind the only acceptable type of a "bad boy" is a fun-guy who entertains, but not playing tricks and keeps situation clear and fun for both. And, of course, this boy should say at the very first moment: "I'm just a bad boy, I'm here for fun only, I don't need serious relationships". Then if a girl feels OK about this, she may continue. This is at least honest.[/QUOTE]Helena,

Perhaps you miss the point entirely but being a woman it is not entirely your fault. You think that a man is going to be straight, honest and upfront with a woman? But to my mind this only applies to women you pay by the hour, this being the only honest relationship a man can have.

For everyone else, casual or otherwise the cardinal rule is to tell them only what they need to know, no more no less.

Honestly telling them you are only looking for casual sex or a quick fuck may work for the esteemed Dr Skank but for us lesser mortals, bullshit is the dish of the day and the thicker you lay it on they more they will lap it up.

Lastly, Russian women might come across as very tough, but dig a little deeper they will put up with a hell of alot of shit and still jump into bed with you. More so than in Western Europe.

I really do not know where I could start to answer you Helena,however let's start from the words of our dear Doc:

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]....

I often find it's easier to get 3 or 4 girls essentially at the same time as it is to just get one you focus on.....

[/QUOTE]

I think this is the best suggest to get regulars written in all the forum in the last years!

We desire what we cannot have, we want what we cannot get, we fall in love of somebody who is close to us but "so far" we cannot bring, it is part of human nature,it is so...obviously,that it is impossible to deny it!

Almost every good looking woman, can have almost every man she wants, and she get soon boring about all these men who are good as "dogs", who always answer to sms immediately, who are so polite,so good....and she wants-needs the man who doesn't care about her! Cause this man..is different from all the others,cause she is never sure about this man,he has no interest or he only plays? Who knows...he is different and it seems he is hard to catch too...

I think that every man that have enough experience with girls-regulars, can agree that to be a "bad" guy increases so much your chance to get women!
And with "bad" I do not mean to be alcholist or to kick her ass....(typical male hobbies in the east europe...and this is not MY opinion,but what you learn speaking with the girls and travelling to east europe..)

Show to a woman that you can live without her pussy and she get in trouble, show her that you do not need sex with her and she immediately loses her super-ultra-fanta-mega-powers....WHY?

Every woman believes that it is enough she has a mini skirt and you immediately get horny as bull,but keep on look into her eyes when you are talking with her even if she dress very sexy,never look to any part of her body and she immediately feels as a child lost in the wood in the middle of night....WHY?

After the first or second meeting with a girl, if you do not kiss her even if was very pleasent meeting, she come back home and feels ugly, feels she did something wrong...or at least you do not like her,but keep on writing to her and she will do not understand what is wrong with her,that you are not trying to get into her tanga...

I always am the good guy I am with pro, no reason to play games,cause from the beginning is all clear, sex for money, usually most of pro are much better than thousands of regulars playing tons of games.
But be good with regulars and they fall asleep, they will get soon boring about you and start to search for the "bad" guy who make her heart beats...

I agree that it is said, but it is true,it is the real word!

Helena I have no reasons to not believe you,but you are...just one in a million! Nothing more than that!

My best friend always says:" if girls did not have pussy,nobody will talk with them". And there is a big truth in this too...
But talk with them AS IF they had not pussy and you will see how much you can spark their interest about you....

As our Doc very well said, why if you are writing with 3 or 4 girls at same time it is, MUCH,very MUCH easier to get them all than if you focus only with one?
WHY Helena? Have you ever tried but seriously to answer to this question that describes so well the real word?
This sentence is so true,it is in front of all the persons who have...eyes open and why this sentence is true if all the girls are as Helena said they are???

The answer is that only one girl in a million is as Helena thinks they are, not more!

I do not have bad opinion about women, ( I have my personal opinion..), I only tried to be a good man and then to be a "bad" man and saw very well the BIG difference there is from get some regulars and get many regulars at the same time!

Be a gentleman and she will forget your name, cause you are the same as all the others men...(however if you are rich or Brad Pitt, she "maybe" remember who you are...)

But if you want to score many girls, not "play" with 3 or 4, but play with 30 or 40 at the same time, not answer with delay, but just forget sometimes to answer at all and...call me when you will not be able to afford all your contacts... :)

Let's speak in this forum about the real world and not about the world as it should be...

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]I really don't know where you find this sort of girls. I don't know any who would like this sort of games. For example, when I discover that a man plays tricks, I get rid of him even if he is a well-paying client. I think that playing tricks is disrespect to a person you are with, and it's absolutely not fun. Right, it makes women nervous and attracts attention. But then it depends on a women. If she likes to have things clear and feel happy (most of women I know prefer this), she will soon explain you the rules, and if after this you continue playing games, will soon turn you off. Probably after a huge histeric (because she will feel upset, used and humiliated). A man who responds sms with a dealy? - you kidding, a woman who has at least a drop of selfrespect will not be with a man who is so much uninterested in her that he doesn't even bother to respond in the proper time. The explanation like "sorry, dear, I was busy" is the synonim of "sorry, dear, I am an asshole, kick me out as soon as possible". All women who ever had relationships with men playing tricks always say to their friends: "I just don't understand, why he had to perform this ugly spectacular? He is an attractive man, and I liked him. If he didn't do this shit, I'd continue meeting him, but he behaved as a completely sick person... for what?" To me, for example, in any relationships - short, long or just business - my own comfort is the most important thing. I don't meet a person who tease me after I discover the game. And I don't have sex with him after this. Never. Under no condition, it's absolutely impossible, because my own quietness is more important. To my mind the only acceptable type of a "bad boy" is a fun-guy who entertains, but not playing tricks and keeps situation clear and fun for both. And, of course, this boy should say at the very first moment: "I'm just a bad boy, I'm here for fun only, I don't need serious relationships". Then if a girl feels OK about this, she may continue. This is at least honest.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps you are right Helena, but I have a system that works for me. It is of course self-serving and dishonest at times, but I do manage to avoid hurting too many feelings (including my own), do manage to have sex with new girls almost as often as I please and many of them maintain contact with me for years... so apparently they don't hate it, otherwise they wouldn't keep coming back. All types from 18-year old students from Himki to 21 year old oligarch daughters and catalog models. Could very well be that they judge foreign men differently than their own Russian men... as they know very soon that they can expect nothing in the way of marriage from me. Could be I'm (and guys like me) just a pleasant distraction.

Besides that, when juggling several girls at the same time and having a dozen in reserve, it's not possible to answer all of the SMSs.

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]she will soon explain you the rules[/QUOTE]
You've never been a man Helena, our "game", our "war" is different than yours. You have no idea about some of the shit we have to go through. We're here to get as much pussy as we can and it is much easier being a bit bad as opposed to being good. Merely saying "I am bad boy, let's fuck for fun" isn't going to get it done for most of us. The game has to be played and it is better to play it by your own rules, as opposed to the woman's. Experience proves my point and I think a lot of the guys will agree.

Very few women can impress us enough to keep us interested for a long time anyway... but they do exist. Some of the girls I met along the way have become an important part of my life... but I'm not ready to stop playing yet.

You'd probably hate me.

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]A man who responds sms with a dealy? - you kidding, a woman who has at least a drop of selfrespect will not be with a man who is so much uninterested in her that he doesn't even bother to respond in the proper time. The explanation like "sorry, dear, I was busy" is the synonim of "sorry, dear, I am an asshole, kick me out as soon as possible". [/QUOTE]

Being a girl's trick pony who reacts to every SMS dutifully, who allows himself to be controlled and monitored by a woman... and Russian women are ALMOST as guilty as their anglo cousins when it comes to attempting to control their men... gets you NOWHERE in the dating game. It makes you a tool, a stooge. I never said you should be universally rude, but you definitely have to remind the girls that they don't own you. Russian women are notorious for testing the boundaries of controlling men... buy me this, buy me that. Ordering shit from the menu that don't even want... I don't let this happen anymore, I learned this long ago and since have adopted to controlling the situation as best possible and have been much happier since. The girls in my opinion also live better this way. Longer term relations develop somewhat differently, but for short term relations... and most guys here only are really interested in that... are played by different rules.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]

You'd probably hate me.[/QUOT]

Skank, you are a stranger from the forum, not a piece of my life. How can I hate you or like? It would be silly. I don't share your opinion, but it's not a big deal. I have no idea what should happen to a man to make him treat women this way. May be you really went through so much shit... In this case I can just feel sorry for you.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]

My best friend always says:" if girls did not have pussy,nobody will talk with them". And there is a big truth in this too...
But talk with them AS IF they had not pussy and you will see how much you can spark their interest about you.... [/QUOTE]
But it's fun that women have pussies, isn't it? By the way, men without dicks and balls are also not too interesting.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]
As our Doc very well said, why if you are writing with 3 or 4 girls at same time it is, MUCH,very MUCH easier to get them all than if you focus only with one?
WHY Helena? Have you ever tried but seriously to answer to this question that describes so well the real word? [/QUOTE] - This is statistics. The more shots you make the more goals you hit. Has nothing to do with girls. Works in any field.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]
The answer is that only one girl in a million is as Helena thinks they are, not more![/QUOTE] - May be I am one in a million. There is nothing wrong in being unique. But I know at least 10 girls who think and act very similar.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]
Be a gentleman and she will forget your name, cause you are the same as all the others men...

Let's speak in this forum about the real world and not about the world as it should be...[/QUOTE] - I guess, both the worlds are real, but our realities seem to be very different. The matter of taste probably.

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow][QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]

You'd probably hate me.[/QUOTE]

Skank, you are a stranger from the forum, not a piece of my life. How can I hate you or like? It would be silly. I don't share your opinion, but it's not a big deal. I have no idea what should happen to a man to make him treat women this way. May be you really went through so much shit... In this case I can just feel sorry for you.[/QUOTE]

I didn't say you hate me, but rather that you probably would if you met me.

There is no need to feel sorry for me, I'm quite happy with my "plight".

I honestly don't think I treat women that badly either. One of the keys to successful mongering is knowing how to be nice and focus on one woman when it is the appropriate time. The number that stick around and keep seeing me does suggest that they don't generally disagree with my company, both in the bed and out. I've rarely had "ugly" breakups or hysterics. And like I said, the number of women who have nice guy boyfriends or husbands and still fuck me or guys like me is a bit disturbing. Certainly not all... but more than I thought would be possible. I don't know if this says something negative about me, them or their men... or just life.

As for going through shit, I've actually rarely been treated badly by women. I do think most women have big hearts and want a happy life, but have also discovered that especially the younger ones are not looking for "the" nice pleasant man, at least not when it comes down to having sex and adventure. Sure when they are about 30 they suddenly panic and want to get married and have kids and "mysteriously" the guys they ignored during their wild youth are now "good enough" to pay the bills and raise the kids, but that's not the market we are looking for.

This phenomenon is more prominent in our European and American home countries, but especially in Moscow and Kiev it is also largely true of EE as well.

Moscow girls are different than country girls obviously, who marry much younger... and often have a stronger "morality" as well as a more earnest desire to find a good provider, regardless of his image. Moscow girls on the contrary are generally quite wild and want to experience life at its fullest. I think that is good and natural, even if sometimes stereotypically comical in an unfunny way.

Besides that, most of us mongers are not in Russia (or Ukraine etc.) long enough to really develop long-term relations. We are looking to score some sex with the best looking girls we can get. Sometimes we pay, sometimes we play. That's why we are mongers. We're sexual deviants in a way, sexually insatiable.

Guys luck us keep you and your sisters in business.

Helena,

Surely you are joking!

Such girls are found worldwide in every country. Women are frequently playing multiple games/men at the same time everywhere in the world. It’s the nature of life with women looking for improved security, financial, social status and men looking to spread seed.

Russia is my top choice for females because they are different in that:

Overall many are absolutely gorgeous, fun, aggressive, and clever.

Dammed good at sex, not afraid to use it with pride of their fucking and sucking skills.

Pheromones like heroin, better sexual response than any other country I have been in.

In my humble opinion-

1st off it’s all about sex for men and women alike, money coming a close second. Some women like to delude themselves that they are somehow above this. On this I have to call Bullshit, I’d put the female game’s player ratio at least 70% or more. The type of women you describe maybe 1 out of 10 at best.

Milking a foreign man or multiples of men for money is many Russian women’s national sport. There is a reason they call us wallets, it’s a game for us as well.

In Russia the opportunity exists to meet very pretty women, fuck them and to have the mind-blowing sexual encounter that in other countries simply is not so easy to accomplish. Worth every bit of a 14 hour plane trip.

Course I could be wrong and need more in depth research. Looking forward to the next trip.

Did I mention it’s all about sex………….


Guido88

[QUOTE=It Travel]If you want to be out of money you gan just sponsor this teen...

[url]http://www.flirt.com.ua/dev_ll444/[/url]

Taskent, but I think if you are rich enough she will come to Moscow... simply incredible, an 18teen just out from the high school and look at some pics..

I think if you sponsor such a girl (it would be so for me in any case) you would be with no work and completely out of money in some months...

IT

PS But if you are a Russian billionare... she can be a benefit for one of your directors :([/QUOTE]

I quote myself so you have the link too...

For those who do not have the registration, and the password, for flirt…

Here the incredible girl in Tashkent searching for a sponsor, she answered me and said she is in Tashkent… by the way she says she is working for a model agency (what kind of models???) there! But seldom she comes to Moscow.

I can imagine who shot the first picture I put here… I should have been like a cocktail of Viagra, Cialis and Levitra… all together. :D

I think I could fuck this teen up to when I get a heart attack, if she is even good in bed….

IT

PS when I see the pic Kristina 1 I just have an immmediate erection! she is, in my opinion, something incredible, just 18teen.

I think Helena describes what is in the women's mind, most what is in the women's reasonable mind, the one that justifies their actions. Yes they may sleep with a bad boy but afterwards they will justify it by chick logic, I do not know why it happened, it seemed so natural etc.

In the words they always claim they want a nice man, a husband etc. But they act differently.

On the other hand bad boy quality alone does not bring results in EE. You need sth more and it depends on the place.

So maybe the women are eager for sex but they have ready the excuse. I believed him and he cheated me, that is they imagine every relationship leading to marriage so they can have sex.

There is also the bargain. The dilemma you marry me or you pay me is central in the part of women's mind that is reasonable but it leads to a bargain. Not all men are ready to accept these terms. So it becomes sth like I will marry you if. , I pay you if. And there are a lot of compromises and intermediate stages. In general I think Helena's views reflect slavic women's mind (the logical part) and are easily understood by the foreigners who come in contact with these girls. The effects vary. One effect is that it is rare to have a gf but girls want a sponsor, a groom or a sugar daddy. Many men like that since they also do not want a girlfriend. On the practical field it has consequences only on the long term, that is you cannot keep a girl who hopes for marriage a long time if you do not marry her actually. You must propose to her very soon, maybe in six months, otherwise she leaves. So the competition sets the terms. If there are many available good standing grooms, a girl will not risk sex. If there are few (as it happens actually) she will give sex in order to gain a positive attitude from future groom. Sex is a bargaining weapon. (in women's reason).

Practically the dilemma either you marry or you pay leads to a girl being in bed one hour after first meeting and starting to speak about marriage! This is also common in Poland.

The other possibility (you pay) leads to the gold digger who in any case will win since she can ask for money in advance. I mean it is more difficult to ask for marriage before sex than to ask for money before sex. So the bargain is beneficial for the gold digger unless there are many good girls who give it for free. In this case the gold digger lowers the price and in some cases she may not ask for money in advance in order to set the trap in a not beneficial for her environment of good girls giving it for free. Experienced men can handle the gold digger, the rest cannot. Everybody can handle the nice girls.

I definitely disagree with mongers describing themselves as serious persons with marriage as goal with purpose to cheat and sleep with good girls. I disagree with this attitude because it makes girls distrust foreigners influenced by their frisnds' experiences and gives more power to gold diggers since it moves many good girls away from foreigners. In this perspective Helena's suggestions are right, I mean to promise marriage only to have quick sex is unacceptable. (not only from girls' side but also from mongers' by doing with this attitude a lot of harm to next mongers).

[QUOTE=Hecker]
I definitely disagree with mongers describing themselves as serious persons with marriage as goal with purpose to cheat and sleep with good girls. I disagree with this attitude because it makes girls distrust foreigners influenced by their frisnds' experiences and gives more power to gold diggers since it moves many good girls away from foreigners. In this perspective Helena's suggestions are right, I mean to promise marriage only to have quick sex is unacceptable. (not only from girls' side but also from mongers' by doing with this attitude a lot of harm to next mongers).[/QUOTE]

That's exactly what I meant. It's correct that women need sex as well as men. And sometimes they don't mind spending fun-time with a nice man without any further obligations. If the man is really attractive and the girl has nothing against sex for entertainment, it's good for both. It's impossible and sensless to marry each man you meet. There are many ways to be honest and still get what you want. For example, one of my friends dates a stripteaser. He is a very good-looking guy with pleasant manners. He looks like a macho, but he has the hart, too. When they got acquainted (in a strip-club she paid him for a private dance) he showed that he was not against to continue for free after work, then he said that she had to be aware that he was not going to leave his business, and plus to this he had a permanent rich girlfriend in America who he planned to marry if she doesn't change her mind. So he showed very clearly that there is nothing to expect in terms of marriage for my friend, but he likes her very much and wouldn't mind meeting her just for pleasant time. Friendship with a privilege of sex. She was also well-aware that he might have some other friends besides her. She liked him personally and had no permanent boyfriend at that time, she works in an office and has no time to search in clubs every night, so for her it was quite an acceptable way to have a time of fun and relaxation. She told me that she respected his honesty a lot and that it was an additional plus of relationships, because she felt free to search someone else with who she would have a chance for marriage at the same time without feeling guilty. They remain friends already for about 2 years, still have sex and share with each other their love-storys which happen during their friendship. No tricks, no games, no cheating, only pleasure. This sort of relatioships I find quite OK. I just hate when a man plays tricks and gives hints to a woman that there is a chance for the future only to get sex or a temporary girlfriend for the time untill the expats contract finishes. This became very common since foreigners appeared in Russia. Before such things were unheard of. This way is terrible and can't have any exuse. I know many examples when a foreign guy pretended (sometimes for years) that he plans to marry a girl, and later she by accident discovered that he was already successfully married or he left for his own country without a worning - the girl didn't even know that his contract was over. I think there must be a law against it. When someone steals your money or things you only loose money or things - and the robbery is already a crime. When someone steals by cheating precious months or years of your life and you believe in people - it's much a harder crime, and it's still legal. Probably these guys are even proud of how smart they are, probably they become heroes for the same sort of freaks as themselves. But no matter what these guys say, I will never believe that being a monster is normal and realistic, and being a normal person is naive and stupid. And I'll never agree that a man who is cheating a woman calling it "his own game" is mentally healthy and all right. To me any fucking trick means that a man who plays it has no confidence, full of complex, mentally sick and needs a help of a doctor. If he really believes that women like being hurt and considers himself a great lover, he needs an ambulance immediately. A really good lover doesn't need to cheat, women like him the way he is. Even if he is married or engaged, or just fucks everything around. They can accept it he is amusing, if they are worned and have no prejudice against short-term fun. Only loosers cheat and play these hot-cold-games to attract attention. Normal people are attractive without them.

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]That's exactly what I meant. It's correct that women need sex as well as men. And sometimes they don't mind spending fun-time with a nice man without any further obligations. If the man is really attractive and the girl has nothing against sex for entertainment, it's good for both. It's impossible and sensless to marry each man you meet. There are many ways to be honest and still get what you want. For example, one of my friends dates a stripteaser. He is a very good-looking guy with pleasant manners. He looks like a macho, but he has the hart, too. When they got acquainted (in a strip-club she paid him for a private dance) he showed that he was not against to continue even for free after work, then he said that she had to be aware that he was not going to leave his business, and plus to this he had a permanent rich girlfriend in America who he planned to marry if she doesn't change her mind. So he showed very clearly that there is nothing to expect in terms of marriage for my friend, but he likes her very much and wouldn't mind meeting her just for pleasant time. Friendship with a privilege of sex. She was also well-aware that he might have some other friends besides her. She liked him personally and had no permanent boyfriend at that time, she works in an office and has no time to search in clubs every night, so for her it was quite an acceptable way to have a time of fun and relaxation. She told me that she respected his honesty a lot and that it was an additional plus of relationships, because she felt free to search someone else with who she would have a chance for marriage at the same time without feeling guilty. They remain friends already for about 2 years, still have sex and share with each other their love-storys which happen during their friendship. No tricks, no games, no cheating, only pleasure. This sort of relatioships I find quite OK. I just hate when a man plays tricks and gives hints to a woman that there is a chance for the future only to get sex or a temporary girlfriend for the time untill the expats contract finishes. This became very common since foreigners appeared in Russia. Before such things were unheard of. This way is terrible and can't have any exuse. I know many examples when a foreign guy pretended (sometimes for years) that he plans to marry a girl, and later she by accident discovered that he was already successfully married. I think there must be a law against it. When someone steals your money or things you only loose money or things - and the robbery is already a crime. When someone steals by cheating years of your life and you believe in people - it's much a harder crime. And somehow these guys go off without any punishment. Probably they are even proud of how smart they are. But no matter what these guys say, I will never believe that being a monster is normal and realistic, and being a normal person is naive and stupid. And I'll never agree that a man who is cheating a woman calling it "his own game" is mentally healthy and all right. To me any fucking trick means that a man who plays it has no confidence, full of complex, mentally sick and needs a help of a doctor. If he really believes that women like being hurt and considers himself a great lover, he needs an ambulance immediately. A really good lover doesn't need to cheat, women like him the way he is. Even if he is married or engaged, or just fucks everything around. They can accept it if they are worned and have no prejudice against short-term fun.[/QUOTE]First of all I have to add that this behaviour was not totally unknown before foreigners came. Some ukrainian girls complained to me that russian guys did exactly the same in Ukraine in some cases leaving the girls when they became pregnant.

Second there are many foreigners who are really interested in marrying a russian girl. They pay a lot of money to trips, agencies and search for a wife.

It is these men that have created a relatively good reputation for foreign guys. If every foreigner behaved like monger, mongers could not survive anymore in Russia. So a girl thinks this man is either a serious future husband or a sex tourist. How do I find out? There is when the game begins.

Now she is likely to offer sex because 70-80% of foreigners are serious. So she risks a 20-30% danger. Her benefit is bigger than her losses. If bad foreigners constituted more than 50%, good girls would seldom risk. (especially as they are not in particular need now).

I only want to say to Helena that if a girls starts thinking about marriage it is not the foreigner's fault. I mean if the foreigner does not propose to her or is not asked why should he tell her, look I am not serious I just go for fun.

I mean is there any girl who says straight, look I do not like you at all, I am interested in your money only?

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]....
Only loosers cheat and play these hot-cold-games to attract attention....[/QUOTE]

So all the women that always plays as well are loosers? LOL

You are right Helena, why we should play, if with most of women is enough to show some Franklin...

[QUOTE=Lukasek]So all the women that always plays as well are loosers? LOL
[/QUOTE] Womens games are different, mostly women are more straight. Probably what you took for a game was just a real "no" to you.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]
You are right Helena, why we should play, if with most of women is enough to show some Franklin...[/QUOTE] May be with most of women you meet. But don't forget about those to who you should give some Franklin, not only show. And those who will not go with you even after this, if they don't want.

[quote=helena moscow] i just hate when a man plays tricks and gives hints to a woman that there is a chance for the future only to get sex or a temporary girlfriend for the time untill the expats contract finishes. this became very common since foreigners appeared in russia. before such things were unheard of. [/quote]
i agree 100% that leading women on under false pretenses is wrong and not very sportsmanlike... in fact it's been discussed on this forum before and most agreed that it goes against the yet undefined "monger's code", which attempts to define honor and good behavior in our underworld sport.

surely leading girls on with fake promises has been used by foreigners before, or perhaps the russian or ukrainian girl just read something into the relationship that the man saw completely differently.

nonetheless, i don't see how this can be considered a phenomenon with only foreign men. maybe russian men didn't do this in soviet times, but surely the new russians and their habit of trading in their "aging" 26 year old molls for a fresh new 18-year old model from siberia every few years isn't exactly to the satisfaction of the 26-yr old girl who gave up her best years only to be shown the curb when her tits showed the first signs of sag.

nor can new russian wives be happy with their men sending them shopping to shut them up while they entertain themselves with sponsored teens and twens on the weekends.

[quote=helena moscow]for example, one of my friends dates a stripteaser. he is a very good-looking guy with pleasant manners. [/quote]

and *****s himself out to whatever women pay him for their time. that's like falling in love with a female stripper or prostitute. hardly a real world example. it's a rock star example.

your girlfriend lives out a fantasy with a living doll... more power to her, but i doubt she'd behave the same with someone from the real world.

[quote=helena moscow]when someone steals by cheating precious months or years of your life and you believe in people - it's much a harder crime, and it's still legal. probably these guys are even proud of how smart they are, probably they become heroes for the same sort of freaks as themselves. but no matter what these guys say, i will never believe that being a monster is normal and realistic, and being a normal person is naive and stupid. [/quote]

it is wrong to deceive women in this way, it's low and unfair. but nobody here is talking about that. the dynamics of club life and dating are much different. we aren't talking about tricks and fooling women... there is no fun in that, but rather playing the club game better than others. we still have to look at ourselves in the mirror the next day.

many of us serial mongers have had to deal with ugly breakups or disappointed, hurt girls. it's a mutual pain that makes one careful to not promise anything and end relationships before they get to serious. when it happens anyway, it's unfortunate but a hazard of the hobby.

usually however, it's not even necessary to worry about it too much, as club and dating life have their own dynamics. it's not conventional dating.

or how many girls met their future husband at a club?

no, most girls going there are not looking to meet the guy to spend the rest of their life with. they go there to have fun and if the mood is right, they might go home with someone. for us, it's all about being that someone. if it doesn't happen on the first night, it probably will on the second. it's about making that happen.

look at the profiles on dating sites. not everybody is looking for love and long-term relationships. casual sex is as common as ever. i've even had the women tell me to not take things so seriously... it was just sex. most girls know exactly what they are getting into when dating and/or fucking foreign businessmen and tourists.

and no, it's not just foreigners doing it... so are local russian boys. they have a different set of parameters to work with... some advantages like time and language... some disadvantages, like proximity and lack of exoticism.

[quote=helena moscow]only loosers cheat and play these hot-cold-games to attract attention. normal people are attractive without them.[/quote]

i find it somewhat amusing that the women that lecture me most about my dating habits are prostitutes. wonder why? because some of us get for free what you offer for $300? and the girls throw in bbbj, real kisses and honest laughs and fun for free?

i don't understand why you are complaining though. by conventional wisdom, normal people don't use prostitutes either. we do.

it's a system that works for me and you. i greatly value some prostitutes and have met many i have really liked. pro sex can be a great thing. the bad pros are just another hazard of the game.

[quote=helena moscow]
- this is statistics. the more shots you make the more goals you hit. has nothing to do with girls. works in any field.
[/quote]

here you missed the point dear. we're saying sometimes it's easier to get all 4 girls by juggling them at the same time than it would be to get all 4 individually by concentrating on them. there is some truth in saying that some women are like cats... if you pay too much attention to them they run away... if you ignore them for awhile they jump on your lap and purr.

[quote=hecker] in the words they always claim they want a nice man, a husband etc. but they act differently.
[/quote]

excellent point. it's like the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] fantasy. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] is a woman's worst real world nightmare. but nearly every woman likes to play out the fantasy sometimes.

[quote=hecker]
i definitely disagree with mongers describing themselves as serious persons with marriage as goal with purpose to cheat and sleep with good girls. i disagree with this attitude because it makes girls distrust foreigners influenced by their frisnds' experiences and gives more power to gold diggers since it moves many good girls away from foreigners. in this perspective helena's suggestions are right, i mean to promise marriage only to have quick sex is unacceptable. (not only from girls' side but also from mongers' by doing with this attitude a lot of harm to next mongers).[/quote]

again, well said. this kind of manipulation is unacceptable. it's really cheating. it's not only bad for the girl and could damage her capacity to trust men, but ultimately it must be bad for the psyche of the guy doing it as well.

Doc,

"Monger's code, which attempts to define honor and good behavior in our underworld sport”

The only monger’s code I am aware of is dick into pussy however possible. At that you are an expert that I have watched in action. Honor and good behavior are laughable terms; bullshit and fast-talking are the preferred methods.


Hecker,

“Not only from girls' side but also from mongers' by doing with this attitude a lot of harm to next mongers”

The word naïve comes to mind immediately along with “Are you fucking kidding? Mongers are there to get fucked period. Those with contrary outlooks are called faithful husbands or delusional idiots. The Russian women will eat you alive.


Helana,

By your posts you have considerable knowledge of both Russian and foreign men. With your life experience you have to know that men are basically the same regardless of country of origin. We are all looking for a place to put our dicks. Methods used to achieve that goal are in no way different than methods women use to achieve their goals. Get real; anything else is fantasy or delusion.



Guido88

Hecker,

"Not only from girls' side but also from mongers' by doing with this attitude a lot of harm to next mongers"

The word naïve comes to mind immediately along with "Are you fucking kidding? Mongers are there to get fucked period. Those with contrary outlooks are called faithful husbands or delusional idiots. The Russian women will eat you alive.

I know mongers are there to get fucked. But their methods to achieve this matter as well. If they use marriage agencies or promise straight marriage, this has adverse consequences for mongers who come next.

For example if a girl had before Dr. Skank a monger has still chances with her cause she finds foreigners interesting, attractive, smooth talking etc. But if she had an experience with sb who proposed marriage and vanished she will be very careful and reluctant to do anything with any foreigner. Moreover she will have spread the rumour to her friends turning more girls unavailable.

The former is valid mainly in smaller cities.

On the other hand I do not think that a girl who presents her girlfriend and encourages you to have sex with her as well can claim that she is looking for serious relationship or that she feels lonely etc. There is so much contradiction between actions and words in EE that it is always better to ignore the words.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]
And *****s himself out to whatever women pay him for their time. That's like falling in love with a female stripper or prostitute. Hardly a real world example. It's a rock star example.Your girlfriend lives out a fantasy with a living doll... more power to her, but I doubt she'd behave the same with someone from the real world.[/QUOTE] - She sais it's much better to have this perfect and honest paid companion than have an unperfect and dishonest companion for free, which she had a lot in the "real" life. At least everybody knows what he gets and what gives. I ones had relationshios with a gigolo myself, and they were the best relationships in my life and the most clear. Unfortunately at that time we were both poor like rats and for this reason couldn't keep faith to each other too long. There were just no decent jobs in the early 90th. He tried to work as a taxi driver, but the money was enough only for food. I couldn't find any job at all. And we both liked luxury and had dreams about better life when we can travel, eat in restaurants, drive cars and live in beautiful houses. I don't think that relationships with a provider are too much different or not real (for me they were very comfortable, because we understood each other perfectly, new how to entertain each other and could speak about everything without hiding). People are people everywhere. The only difference is that with a pro situation has to be clearer than ever, because to keep relationships, a pro has to make dramatic changes in his (or her) own life - to loose one sort of income and find another - practically to start life anew. Such things can't be done for a joke, or a game, or just casual sex. There must be something solid.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]
I don't understand why you are complaining though. By conventional wisdom, normal people don't use prostitutes either. We do.[/QUOTE] - You know, in Russia during the past 15 years things mixed so much that we already can't say what normal people do and what they don't. The point is that normal people do use pros, normal people do marry pros, normal people do become pros, and pros become normal people, as well as their clients. Im complaining, as you call it, because after the years of escorting I'm getting really sick and tired of clients who try to pretend that they want to build relationships when their real goal is to get a discount for sex (which they never get though). Every week I turn away 1 or 2 clients who try to play the same trick. It's like listening to the same record every day, makes you crazy. I know that it's a part of business, and as long as I do it I have to deal with this, too. In my business it's quite easy to find out the trick, because the man who really by accident falls in love with a pro immediately offers some realistic plan of keeping her away from business. Immediately because he has to deal with jealousy. And if he doesn't take any serious action, then it's the most probably just a game (or something else which is not going to work out in such situation). More or less we can handle it. But it makes me absolutely mad that tricks are also played on normal young girls who are not pros. Because I have a wonderful younger sister, who as every normal girl wants to find a nice guy, to fall in love and to have real beautiful relationships leading to a family. When I think that she may go with some idiot through this shit, I get in panic, because I have no idea how to help her and what advise to give. Because in the so called "real life" I don't know myself how to make difference between truth and a lie. May be you can explain? Just from a man's point of view.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]
It is wrong to deceive women in this way, it's low and unfair. But nobody here is talking about that. The dynamics of club life and dating are much different. We aren't talking about tricks and fooling women... there is no fun in that, but rather playing the club game better than others. We still have to look at ourselves in the mirror the next day.[/QUOTE] - Then it's OK, because from what you wrote before I thought that you were not against using all sorts of tricks including false promises if they lead you to success. Now I see that I misunderstood you, and I'm glad that it's clear now, because it's never too pleasant to assume about someone like "-1 person" even if this person is just one of the forum posters.


[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]
Usually however, it's not even necessary to worry about it too much, as club and dating life have their own dynamics. It's not conventional dating.

Or how many girls met their future husband AT A CLUB?[/QUOTE] - I know some. You can meet anybody anywhere, you never know. People get acquainted at work, in the street, in gyms, in metro... It makes no difference. Pros usually marry clients. I know one old Night Flight pro, a former Intourist girl from the Soviet time. By the time of NF she was already around 45. When she was closer to 50 she married an NF client, English millionere who was during the same years mongering in NF. Almost every day they saw each other in action, then suddenly something changed ;) They live for about 5 or 6 years together by now and both look great and happy. I know many stories like that. Normal girls can meet normal guys anywhere, too. Even if the background of the story is strange the decent legends are created later, if needed.


[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]
No, most girls going there are not looking to meet the guy to spend the rest of their life with. They go there to have fun and if the mood is right, they MIGHT go home with someone. For us, it's all about being that someone. If it doesn't happen on the first night, it probably will on the second. It's about making that happen.[/QUOTE] - I think it doesn't work exactly the way: I search a husband or I search someone for one night. When you deal with emotions all can change any moment. You may find someone for a night, and the situation may seem to be not suitable for something serious, but you may suddenly fall in love with this person, after which you justify anything and all your logic disappears. Or the opposite, you may search someone for serious relationships, do all the proper things, and after a while you understand that things don't work out for you. Probably you understand it after the first night spent together =). But I think no matter how it happens, both parts each moment of any relationships must understand where they are, because when their views on this are different, it leads to problem.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]
Here you missed the point dear. We're saying sometimes it's easier to get all 4 girls by juggling them at the same time than it would be to get all 4 individually by concentrating on them. There is some truth in saying that SOME women are like cats... if you pay too much attention to them they run away... if you ignore them for awhile they jump on your lap and purr.[/QUOTE] - May be it depends on a woman. To me it's quite the opposite. I can get interested in a man only when I begin to think that he is a piece of my property. I have no time and desire to "deserve" attention of those who are not interested. I think it's not worth it. The more attention the man offers because of his own desire the better it is for our relationships. If the man sees good things in me and considers me special, I begin think that we probably have something in common, which makes him special, too. The more he cares about my comfort the more I care about his. If a man disappears for a while or doesn't respond sms in the proper time or becomes greedy, or something like that I begin to suspect that I'm not the only women in his life. If so, then probably his interest to me was not real, but a game. If so, it's very unsafe to invest my time and imotions in him. Because the longer you stay with someone, the more you get used to this person and the more pain you get if relationships break. If things don't correct after a short time, I just put a block on him and loose interest. Even if it's hard. I make myself to forget. But this is about long-term relationships.
With clients it's different, because they are absolutely free. I even dislike it when they cross the border and try to get in contact between appointments, because it make situation uncertain - is he trying to pretend a lover to save some money or what? :)
After what you wrote here I think may be there is a third type of relationships about which I don't know too much because I never was interested in it and never had it. May be there are really some women who search sex for entertainment and enjoy games and tricks. May be these tricks really give them a portion of adrenalin or something else (otherwise why whould they treat you better after tricks as you say?) May be if they really disliked tricks the way I do, they would also turn you off very soon, the way I would turn off any man who would try to play with my feelings, but if they stay by you for years, may be they feel fine. I think that the end of this discussion can be that we shouldn't generalize too much and say "all women, all men, most of them, everybody" ect. Because there are always parts of reality in which we are not experts ;)

[QUOTE=Guido88]
Helana,
With your life experience you have to know that men are basically the same regardless of country of origin. We are all looking for a place to put our dicks. Methods used to achieve that goal are in no way different than methods women use to achieve their goals. Get real; anything else is fantasy or delusion.
Guido88[/QUOTE]

Guido, let’s not mix men with dicks on legs, OK?

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]-

- I can get interested in a man only when I begin to think that he is a piece of my property.

What? The man piece of your property? The whole man or only his property?

How many more pieces does this property contain?

I don't think this constitutes any monger's dream.

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Greetings Hecker,

It appears that you inadverently forgot to correctly place the quote tags in this report. Usually I can fix this sort of thing before it's displayed, but I don't have a clue as to how you intended this report to appear.

The quote tags are simple to use, all you have to do is look for them in the text. Anything that you want to appear in quotes must start with "[quote]" and end with "[/quote ]". It's that simple.

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A very interesting discussion, and I thank Helena for her valuable insights.
Clearly we all approach this issue from our own points of view and personal experiences.
We all live in somewhat different worlds.

Helena's original point - the party is over boys, the girls don't need you so much anymore - seems valid; many mongers have made it before.

But no matter how dramatic the changes in Russia are, surely there is still a large pool of young women being left behind by Putin's economic miracle. Girls trying to get by on ordinary workers wages in an increasingly expensive Moscow. In fact, they see all these bright baubles and fun lifestyles becoming more widespread, but still beyond their reach...

And surely Russian men are not getting any nicer to them - sure now many have more money, but that just means they can afford more girls. So foreigner men still offer a change, if not an escape, from this. And there are still a lot more pretty Russian women than rich Russian men, and they have to do something on a Saturday night...

But I think the biggest "trick" that some of the main mongers here are talking about is simply adopting the right attitude - that of master rather than supplicant. Helena, you have no idea how far western society has moved into being "pussy whipped" - which in itself would be more acceptable if the quantity and quality of pussy was higher. But here, we can "have it all" - marriage, mortgage, munchkins, mother-in-law - and still get no sex!!

So the "bad boy" attitude being espoused is really just about ditching the "pathetic nice guy/loser" persona we struggle with. Sure, bring on dinners and flowers and little treats - but let the woman know she is not the only game in town. The iron fist in a velvet glove. It is a simple matter of not being taken for granted. I don't think this dynamic is unique to Russian women, it is just easier and clearer and more worthwhile to practice it there.

Understanding this concept, and stopping being such a wimp has vastly improved my own domestic situation - since learning to "lay down the law" I get three times as much sex and twice the quality as I did a year ago.
That is not going to stop me from screwing around in Russia whenever I get a chance, after all I have many years of sexual poverty to make up for!

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]-
May be there are really some women who search sex for entertainment and enjoy games and tricks. May be these tricks really give them a portion of adrenalin or something else (otherwise why whould they treat you better after tricks as you say?)[/QUOTE]

I don't think that is really the kind girl we are talking about, although no doubt such girls exist. We are talking about ordinary girls who need to be reminded that what they have is valuable, but not priceless or irreplacable.

The photo below shows us the face of evil that must be defeated, a wooden dildo driven through her hearst, so that men can be men and sex can be fun again ...

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]The whole man, of course. I think long-term relationships (and I spoke this about long-term relationships, read better, please, not about mongers) are a always somewhat about ownship. When you really like someone you want to make sure that this person belongs to you, and you also want to belong to this person. At best cases you want to belong to each other till the end of life. I consider that all my family, for example, belongs to me, and I belong to my family. It doesn't mean that we are slaves of each other, but it means that our relationships are solid, no matter what happens, we are parts of each others life. If they are happy, I'm happy, too. If not, this is also my problem. I care so much about them, because I believe that they will not disappear from my life, that I also mean something for them, and that they will stay with me forever. What I can do for them I will never do for a stranger or for any person about whose attitude I have doubts. And what do you personally have against property? Don't you, for example, take care of your own house? Would you take care of the house which belongs to somebody esle and never to you? On what conditions would you take care of somebody else's house? Of course, people are not houses or things, but in general this principal works. At least I know many people who think and live the same way. There are others, of course. The ones who say: I don't belong to anybody, I'm absolutely free, I'm not obliged to anybody, I will not give anything to anybody, which finally ends in "just give me what I want without expecting anything in return", and finally "give me what I want no matter what it cost you and get out". Is this in your opinion a mongers dream?[/QUOTE]Actually I believe this is a monger's dream. But it is totally unrealistic in the real world. So you have to compromise and give something. And I believe mongers offer a lot more to women than many men without any skills at all who try to appear as super ethical and exploit situations to their own purpose. Real mongers do not use marriage agencies, do not promise marriages and do not say I am a serious person with values etc, etc. These are done by the weak ethicisits who have no other way to achieve sth. And their best allies are the femi-nazis whose purpose is that men will fall and get rejected by fat, unattractive, rude women who also appear as superethical.

Hopefully feminism has not penetrated deep into slavic culture and we enjoy some freedom. This is due to the great attitude of slavic men who refuse to comply to the exacerbated demands of women and treat them like they should. Western culture has made women divine and turned them not easily approachable.

So slavic women yes, they can be part of our lives since they have such an easy going attitude. And more men should imitate the example of slavic men to teach western women some precious lessons.

I disagreed about the whole idea of ownage. To own and to be owned is a distinct part of western culture. Men try to own women and women try to own men. Where does it lead? To noone being satisfied, everybody quarreling and being angry. On the opposite hand Slavs seem to have not big problem to share even girls. So they are more happy and manage to get what they want.

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]The whole man, of course. I think long-term relationships (and I spoke this about long-term relationships, read better, please, not about mongers) are a always somewhat about ownship. When you really like someone you want to make sure that this person belongs to you, and you also want to belong to this person. At best cases you want to belong to each other till the end of life. I consider that all my family, for example, belongs to me, and I belong to my family. It doesn't mean that we are slaves of each other, but it means that our relationships are solid, no matter what happens, we are parts of each others life. If they are happy, I'm happy, too. If not, this is also my problem. I care so much about them, because I believe that they will not disappear from my life, that I also mean something for them, and that they will stay with me forever. What I can do for them I will never do for a stranger or for any person about whose attitude I have doubts. And what do you personally have against property? Don't you, for example, take care of your own house? Would you take care of the house which belongs to somebody esle and never to you? On what conditions would you take care of somebody else's house? Of course, people are not houses or things, but in general this principal works. At least I know many people who think and live the same way. There are others, of course. The ones who say: I don't belong to anybody, I'm absolutely free, I'm not obliged to anybody, I will not give anything to anybody, which finally ends in "just give me what I want without expecting anything in return", and finally "give me what I want no matter what it cost you and get out". Is this in your opinion a mongers dream?[/QUOTE]

I think many men (and obviously women) would agree with your assessment about the kind of unconditional love you describe. Most people feel this way about their family and any good parent certainly feels this way about their children.

But men, at least the men I know and most certainly the majority of mongers and ISG readers, despise the word property in the context of relationships. In fact, it's one of the reasons we monger in the first place, to express our freedom to be men.

In our view, marriage is a control mechanism. Men have almost nothing to gain from it.

The women's fidelity is not guaranteed by marriage.
The tax benefits are minimal and less every year.

Perhaps marriage is good for a man's career... married men are deemed more trustworthy and "solid" for some reason... and it is certainly good for the children, which is the only reason to marry in the first place as far as I am concerned.

But in every other aspect, it seems negative for us men, at least in western society.

By marrying, you sign away anywhere from 30-50% of your income FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE. Even if the women is an evil, deceiving wench, she has you by the balls. This in itself is reason enough for men to be suspicious of Russian wives, who are reputed to be money-hungry and conniving by some. My personal experience with most Russian women and "real" girlfriends has NOT been this way, but I've never married one either.

By marrying, you are expected socially and in some cases even LEGALLY to remain faithful to one woman, to never again sleep with another woman, never again experience ultimate intimacy with another female. That's an unbearable and inhuman sacrifice for some of us. It goes against our nature. It's like caging a panther.

By marrying, you'll be expected to spend every holiday with one single woman, to express every affectionate emotion to a female to her and only her and to accept any of the bullshit she dishes out.

Say the word "own" or "property" around our breed of men and you'll never see us again.

We're wolves. We'd rather chew off our own paw than be stuck in a trap.

Ultimately I harbor romance in my heart and believe that there is THE woman out there for me. If the word "own" or "property" is mentioned however, even if in some context it may be well-meant, I start looking for a way out.

Women hate this attitude in some men... and every monger I've personally met feels this way... just as we hate the idea of every being owned by someone.

Imperfect world.

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]- She sais it's much better to have this perfect and honest paid companion than have an unperfect and dishonest companion for free, which she had a lot in the "real" life. At least everybody knows what he gets and what gives. [/QUOTE]

That's why we use pros even though we don't "have" to. There is something refreshingly simple and honest about it.

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]
- You know, in Russia during the past 15 years things mixed so much that we already can't say what normal people do and what they don't. The point is that normal people do use pros, normal people do marry pros, normal people do become pros, and pros become normal people, as well as their clients. Im complaining, as you call it, because after the years of escorting I'm getting really sick and tired of clients who try to pretend that they want to build relationships when their real goal is to get a discount for sex (which they never get though). Every week I turn away 1 or 2 clients who try to play the same trick. [/QUOTE]

I can imagine. And I really respect pros for some of the shit they have to put up with too. Some pros can be such emotionally, humanly strong individuals.

A lot of pros do give discounts to regulars, especially if they work for agencies. At the end of the day, they still get their cut.

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]-More or less we can handle it. But it makes me absolutely mad that tricks are also played on normal young girls who are not pros. Because I have a wonderful younger sister, who as every normal girl wants to find a nice guy, to fall in love and to have real beautiful relationships leading to a family. When I think that she may go with some idiot through this shit, I get in panic, because I have no idea how to help her and what advise to give. [/QUOTE]

That is a difficult question. Normally you'd tell her to follow her heart... but you never know where that will lead. Could lead to disaster or heartbreak, some guy she met on holiday, some "player" she met at a club. But do not think you'll understand what she needs.

I told this story before, but it's relevant. I met this 18 year old virgin online, a pretty girl. She actually contacted me first. We first met at Pyramida and she was nervous as young girls often are. We talked and I realized (or thought) what an innocent creature she was. I told her, WARNED her not to believe what men said and not to think that attraction to the exotic (foreign men) was the basis for a long term relationship. I gave her every chance to leave or "escape". I knew she was a virgin (it was somehow written all over her face) and didn't want to abuse my position. Moral of the story is that we went to my apartment, I kissed her and we had sex about 20 minutes later.

SHE wanted it even more than I did. Who knows what is going through your sister's head. Curiousity and excitement is a powerful drug.

BTW, I still communicate with the Virgin and she seems well-adjusted. Girls get their sexual experience somewhere. The first, second or tenth one doesn't have to be "the One".

I honestly believe that some short-term relationships can be more valuable and honest than some long-term ones. It's all relative to the situation, the need.

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]-
I have no time and desire to "deserve" attention of those who are not interested. I think it's not worth it. The more attention the man offers because of his own desire the better it is for our relationships. If the man sees good things in me and considers me special, I begin think that we probably have something in common, which makes him special, too. The more he cares about my comfort the more I care about his. If a man disappears for a while or doesn't respond sms in the proper time or becomes greedy, or something like that I begin to suspect that I'm not the only women in his life. If so, then probably his interest to me was not real, but a game.
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Could also be that through your experience you have a different perspective than other women. You've screwed hundreds of guys... most girls have less than 10. It's often really surprising to me how desperate some women are for attention and affection... and even more surprising is how beautiful these women sometimes are. You have more experience... you know what you want. Many girls just want experience, passion and fun in their lives. They come from all walks of life, all social strata.

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]- May be if they really disliked tricks the way I do, they would also turn you off very soon, the way I would turn off any man who would try to play with my feelings, but if they stay by you for years, may be they feel fine. I think that the end of this discussion can be that we shouldn't generalize too much and say "all women, all men, most of them, everybody" ect. Because there are always parts of reality in which we are not experts ;)
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I will never claim to be an expert. It's so much more fun being a student.

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]- because I have no idea how to help her and what advise to give. Because in the so called "real life" I don't know myself how to make difference between truth and a lie. May be you can explain? Just from a man's point of view.
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That's a fundemental question, and perhaps impossible to answer. I think for me truth is a decision I can live with, meaning I can look at myself in the mirror and be happy with what I see.

Truth is being true to your nature.

Truth is something beyond logic, tangible yet inexplicable.

Truth can be a one-night stand just as much as a 3-year relationship. If your heart is in it, it is true.

Perhaps a separate topic should be set up called "dialogues with Helena", instead of taking up space on the Moscow board. This stream is getting rather boring and it isn't much about Moscow is it?

[QUOTE=Hecker] Real mongers do not use marriage agencies, do not promise marriages and do not say I am a serious person with values etc, etc. These are done by the weak ethicisits who have no other way to achieve sth.
.[/QUOTE] - Wow, you have some principles. You didn't say this before.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank] Say the word "own" or "property" around our breed of men and you'll never see us again. [/QUOTE] – Seems to be an easy way to control bullshit in the “real life”. I’ll tell my sister ;) Thanks.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]
I will never claim to be an expert. It's so much more fun being a student.
[/QUOTE] - Wonderful words. Makes life feel fresh ;)

[QUOTE=Ffmbud]Perhaps a separate topic should be set up called "dialogues with Helena", instead of taking up space on the Moscow board. This stream is getting rather boring and it isn't much about Moscow is it?[/QUOTE] – Don’t like, don’t read. Offer your own topic. May be someone will want to discuss it. It’s quite about Moscow. We are all here.

[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]But here [in the West], we can "have it all" - marriage, mortgage, munchkins, mother-in-law - and still get no sex!![/QUOTE]

The simple fact is, the rules are heavily stacked in the women's favour. This isn't a Russian/Western thing, just a feature of our evolutionary history. Men are simple souls; we seek sex from attractive young women, full stop. Women exploit this basic drive to secure control, money, gifts, romance, attention and often their entire financial future. This all falls under the banner of a 'relationship', which a man must provide unquestioningly to be considered a nice decent guy and not a womanising SOB. Our Judeo-Christian system of morality is also to blame. Sex for its own sake is BAD and must be sanctified by marriage, being a provider, a good father/husband/doormat etc.

It's clear that in the West it's game over. We've already lost. Women have as much money as us and are spending it on Big Macs and beer rather than manicures. In the FSU, the game's still on, because Russian men are still real men and refuse to be pussy whipped. Imagine a job advert for a secretary who must be a "slim attractive brunette, 170cm". Pretty much par for the course in Moscow, but try that in New York and you'll be in jail.

So, here are some facts:

1. Men always make the approach, women always say 'yes' or 'no' depending on their mood or how much they need the next bill paid. Nothing about that will ever change. Men are the risk takers.

2. Men ALWAYS pay for EVERYTHING. No ifs, no buts. I occasionally insist that a girl pays for the odd coffee or bus ticket but beyond that you supply the $$$.

3. The above in no way restricts what she does and with whom when she's not with you. After all, it's not your wallet then.

4. Grown women think it's perfectly acceptable to pout and simper when they want a present bought for them. Acting like a cute 5 year old is not beneath them.

5. Without exception, a woman will want to marry you for your money and social position. If she's attractive she'll have enough opportunity to meet and have casual affairs with men who are fun, interesting, handsome, good at sex etc. and doesn't need to sacrifice HER freedom just for that. It's $$$ that makes the trade worthwhile for her.

Have you ever seen a couple on their wedding day? The bride is beaming, ecstatic. This is totally the end of her problems. And the look on the guy's face just says: "Shit, what the hell am I doing? This is the end of my freedom, my batchelorhood, the real me". The most classic example of this was the Prince Charles/Lady Di union.

6. Marriage agencies: most guys are stunned by the array of gorgeous young women pouring out their romantic longings to them. Assuming you don't actually get scammed and send $500 to a young lovely who needs English lessons or has a sick grandmother - what's actually going on here? From you, Mr Westerner, they want a Visa - that golden document that will enable them to leave their desparate hole forever and be in a place where they can fully realise their market value.

Play your cards right and use these girls as a resource. By being on a site like that, they've asked for it. Just don't bring them back to your home town where they'll quickly decide that they've married a loser because you don't have a mansion or drive a Ferrari.

I haven't had the pleasure of being married to - and divorced from - that 'special' lady who after x years of defining and controlling my life decides that she can enjoy my money and property better without me actually being in the way. But it's one I'll forgo.

Hell, what I really need is:

1) A good cook

2) A reliable housekeeper

3) Great hoes, whether from marriage sites, nightclubs, agencies or the redoubtable NF, CF and RP. There are many in the FSU, and you don't need to marry any of them. There are hoes/users in the West too, but either not very good looking, OR insanely overpriced.

If you're really totally desperate to reproduce yourself, knock up some provincial gal in the poorer parts of the FSU and send her $100 a month. It's cost effective fatherhood.

Be clear and honest with *yourself* and you'll never be gamed. That, and only that, should be the mongers' code. We're dealing with sharp, wily girls here who have been trained from the age of about 7 to use their charms to meet their financial objectives. Just look at the reality of the actual deal you're getting and what you're paying for it.

Ash 1001

Very eloquently phrased and directly on target. The Russian girls can and will take good care of themselves.

Good move on your part not to join the 50% club (Marriage).

Guido88

Great Ash1001!

I am sure Helena will never agree with you ;) but you wrote golden words and I think almost everybody agree with you, included me!

I never thought seriously to marry...actually even less...

Cheers!

To Ash1001

- It's funny to read how scary we are, as if your mother wasn't a woman ;) I saw many weddings with both people happy. It's not a favour for a woman, we think it's more comfortable for a man. By the way, we don't get so much of men's property from it in Russia (unfortunately).

Our perspectives vary greatly because western norms have changed so drastically in the last 100 and even 50 years.

American women and their intolerable attitudes have motivated mongers to invest our time, energy, and resources into global exploration.

The expats get the best outlook and benefit from their investment of time, and can fine tune their game to a sharp honed edge, slicing and dicing their way through the foreign pussy like a samurai sword through KY jelly.

[QUOTE=Ash1001]Have you ever seen a couple on their wedding day? The bride is beaming, ecstatic. This is totally the end of her problems. And the look on the guy's face just says: "Shit, what the hell am I doing? This is the end of my freedom, my batchelorhood, the real me". [/QUOTE]

Q: Why does the bride always smile at her wedding?
A: She has given her last blow-job!

Seriously Ash, I don't really agree with you (or most of the others here) that marriage is such a bad and one-sided deal.

However, it does baffle me that so many married women ignore the sex needs of their husbands. What do they think is going to happen? And really, aside from some of you who are real addicts or adventurers, it is ridiculously easy to please a man and keep him satisfied - wouldn't you agree Helena?

To my mind, this is what is appealing (in theory) about a long-term relationship with an FSU woman. I think they understand a little better about keeping their man happy and the dangers of aging ungracefully. They have seen what happens to women who fail to deliver in bed.... at least until they are fully westernized and realize that the game is different here...

[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]Q: Why does the bride always smile at her wedding?
A: She has given her last blow-job!
[/QUOTE]

Which raises one vitally important point: a woman is always at her best when she thinks that proposal, the ring on her finger, is just round the corner. What can she do to make him pop the question? Something REALLY special... ;)

Keep them dangling guys.

[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]
However, it does baffle me that so many married women ignore the sex needs of their husbands. What do they think is going to happen? And really, aside from some of you who are real addicts or adventurers, it is ridiculously easy to please a man and keep him satisfied - wouldn't you agree Helena?
[/QUOTE]

Dear Gentleman Travel, I agree with you totally. I will tell you more: I don't understand why some husbands ignore their wives sex needs. What do they think is going to happen? I think it's about both people being satisfied, happy and adventurous. Just have no idea why it works out so seldom in all sorts of permanent relationships. But I still hope and search ;) A naive Russian girl you may think...

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]By the way, we don't get so much of men's property from it in Russia (unfortunately).[/QUOTE]

That's why Roman Abramovich divorced Irina in Russia :)

I think he actually got a very good deal with her. She married him before he made his stash. She does seem like a very decent person.

Ash, Gent Travel, Bez

Let's admit (at least to ourselves) how life is:

There are only to kind of males:

1. The ones who are married, working day and night, and having a wife consuming the outcome

2. The other ones who are divorced, working day and night, and having the ex-wife consuming the outcome

(ok may be there is the third catagory:
3. The other ones who are married again, working day and night, and having the both the wife and ex-wife consuming the outcome)


Marriage is the strangest contract in the world: You agree that half of all you have you give to a woman, and in addition to this you agree that half of all you earn in the future you also agree to give in case the contract is terminated, even if the female part terminate the contract....


.... and why:

because God made a serious design error: He (he is still a he!) did not fill engough blood into us to run our brain and an erected penis at the same time (an old joke but true...)

himself (again)

I am going the first time to Russia, to Moscow and our partner made a reservation at the Holiday Inn Suschevsky in Moscow.

I would like to know, is there some action arround this hotel, and if there is, where exactly. Please let me know if you had any kind of experience over there.

Thank you

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]Dear Gentleman Travel, I agree with you totally. I will tell you more: I don't understand why some husbands ignore their wives sex needs.[/QUOTE]

Fortunately, we are here to help those under-serviced ladies!
If you can just post a list of their names and phone #s please!

Hi Guys,

I will be in Moscow from June 26th to 29th. Staying at EuroCity Hotel.

Could you please give advices on where to find a WG or a CG to bring back in my hotel room for a good price (not more than 100 € for the night).

I do not speak russian.

Which place / Street to go? Trustable taxi drivers?

Nice brothels in the Center with girls to take out?

Best web links for english speaking privates?

Phone numbers?

Thanks

I’Ve not seen this topic often mentioned on this site, but would appreciate some input from the Moscow cognoscenti here on, what I consider to be, an important mongering tactical question.

Where to take girls for a first date? I am assuming that the girl in question is more likely not to be a pro, rather a girl met on the street, in a club or even on a dating site (although I might still go with a pro for dinner beforehand).

Maybe my whole approach is flawed here, maybe the question itself is wrong, but I have the mindset that a reasonably stylish restaurant with low-lighting together with a few cocktails provides a nice starting point for what should hopefully turn out to be a wonderfully debauched evening. As I am over 40 and not often mistaken for Tom Cruise, I feel the need to get these things right.

Now, on the one hand, any halfway attractive Russian girl having a first date with a foreigner will be hoping he is not poor and the choice of restaurant provides a certain signal. Of course, it is easy to impress but there are so many rip-off restaurants around that this is probably badly invested cash (a meal and drinks alone in some of these places, often $150-200 and more, will provide hours of entertainment with some of the pros here). Going to a really cheap lowlife place (which Tom could get away with) will puncture the aura of wealth.

So, the challenge is to identify those little diamonds which offer the right level of style and ambience but at realistic prices which for me should preferably be $100 or less. .

Where do you guys go? What do the girls here think?

[QUOTE=Samsarai]Hi Guys,

I will be in Moscow from June 26th to 29th. Staying at EuroCity Hotel.

Could you please give advices on where to find a WG or a CG to bring back in my hotel room for a good price (not more than 100 € for the night).

I do not speak russian.

Which place / Street to go? Trustable taxi drivers?

Nice brothels in the Center with girls to take out?

Best web links for english speaking privates?

Phone numbers?
Thanks[/QUOTE]

My opinion is that for 100 € night you can get the expences to try to get to bed a normal girl... At 100 €, or 130 $ you can't even get an oldie in central Moscow!!!

IT

[QUOTE=It Travel]My opinion is that for 100 € night you can get the expences to try to get to bed a normal girl... At 100 €, or 130 $ you can't even get an oldie in central Moscow!!!

IT[/QUOTE]Ok, then there still is the tochka possibility.

Here is what I copy-pasted from other posts/sources on tochkas:

[QUOTE]Go to a tochka. Just hail a cab at 10-12 pm from around Sukharevskaya Metro and say "Mojne py-dyohm - tochka - chatersta rublay" - which translates into - take me to the *****s and then take me and the ***** back to my hotel and I'll give you 13-14 bucks. Or go to the one in the Alekseevskaya underpass under Prospect Mira near Cafe Mu Mu and Collins and the metro station. Mark Ames of the Exile always seems to mention a tochka at Leninsky and one at Leningradsky prospekt. Whatever. Girls are in 3 categories - 70, 100 and 150. All for the night. Generally the 70 dollar girls are dogs, the 100 dollar girls can be cute but are usually average and all 18-19ish and the 150 dollar girls are fairly hot - almost Night Flight category but new in town. Few if any will speak English.

There will be this woman called a Mammuchka (Mamma-san) and she'll ask you how much you want to spend. You can say, for examle, sto dollariv (100 bucks) and she'll say "devushki, devushki sto dollariv, py-ee-tee" and a gaggle of girls will step forward for you to pick from. Here it's good to know "na lyeva" (on the left) "na prava" (on the right) and "sledooshie" (next) and "vot eta" - (there - that one.) You'll then hand off the cash - usually 100 bucks plus a 100 ruble tip for the woman (she doesn't run the show, the pimps and cops do) and the cab driver will ask "Dokuda cechas" (where to now), and you'll say "gostinitsa, pajalusta" (hotel please - helps to include a name) You pay after you get out of the cab.

If it seems too intimidating, there are some good web sites in Russian that don't charge the rates this 33 whatever guy is charging. [url]www.translate.ru[/url] can help with the translation. My personal favorite these days is [url]www.pikant.ru[/url] but here are others -

[url]www.pikant.ru[/url]
[url]www.omen.ru[/url]
[url]www.otsos.ru[/url]
[url]www.publichouse.ru[/url]
[url]www.dosug.nu[/url]
[url]www.prostitutki.ru[/url]

to find local girls servicing the locals from apartments (not from tochka) get a copy of znakomstvo in the metro. u have 2 ask 4 it specially, they keep it hidden behind newspapers. this mag has girls operating from apartments. u can find 8s 9s and 10s if u r willing to call on the phone and get the directions to their apartment. a few words of russian to be nice then u can speak english if u want (dobrii dyen, mozhno po angliiski?). take a cab. spend about 80 - 100 usd u will be glad u did.


Tochka means "point" and is essentially Moscow's form of street prostitution. The tochkas (actually tochki) are organised by the mafia (there's your mafia if you are really looking for it) and are conducted nightly from about dusk til dawn. There can be numerous tochkas all over the city, anywhere from the outskirts to the center.

For example, you will usually find tochkas on Leninsky prospekt, Leningradsky prospekt, behind the "3 train stations", on the Garden Ring, Mira Prospekt, near Lubyanka etc. They aren't confined to a single place and can often be in the same place for a few days or weeks, or move nightly. There is no way you can just "go to a tochka" that is at a particular place. You will have to take a taxi.

Finding tochkas:

Take a taxi as stated above. The best time to look is after about 9pm, that's when most girls show up for duty. When you flag down a taxi, ask him to take you to a tochka. Either he will say ok and try and drive you around until he finds one, or he will refuse and drive away. Some people dont want to take you there because of the danger of the police stopping them. The police often hang around known tochka areas hoping to stop your car and get a bribe. Before you go on a tochka tour, make sure your docs are in order, including your visa registration. Some drivers, particularly older ones, may be offended by your request or simply not know what you mean or where to go. If you cant find a taxi, you may pick up a taxi in front of CF (Boarhouse), which is across from Kursky train station. The drivers there will charge you more, but they will also know where to go.

The driver will drive on the road to those areas where he thinks he might find a tochka, usually the areas I mentioned above, Leninsky prospekt, Leningradsky prospekt, behind the "3 train stations", on the Garden Ring, Mira Prospekt, near Lubyanka etc. There he will see a woman standing along side the road seeking eye contact with drivers. She is the "beacon girl". He will stop in front of her and she will tell him which way to drive to find the tochka. Usually it is in a back alley or side street near her. Then the driver will drive to the area and you will see a mamachka (madam who organises the girls) and probably some other customers. Often there will be a few vans parked nearby in which the girls wait for customers. In the summer the girls may be milling about outside.

Viewing the menu:

Once there, you will have to talk to the mamachka. It definitely helps to speak at least basic Russian, don't expect her to speak English. She will tell you the prices at that particular tochka and ask you which girls you want to see. The prices may be in rubles or dollars.

Lately the prices are as follows:
$100 (3000 rubles): entry level girls, usually pretty skanky, 4-6 in quality
$150 (4500 rubles): mid-level girls, 6-7 in quality, occasional gems
$200 (6000 rubles): so-called top girls, 6-8 in quality

Sometimes there are $80 (2500 rubles) categories (really skanky) or even $250 (7500 rubles) categories.

Price for a particular girl may vary depending on time of day and particularly day of the week. For example a $100 girl may go for $150 on a Saturday night or a $200 girl for $150 on a Monday night etc. Generally Monday-Wednesday are my favorite nights in terms of price and selection, since there is less competition.

After you tell the mamachka which category you want, she will yell out loud "$100" or "4500 rubles" or whatever and the girls will line up in front of the car.

The size of the tochka also varies, from 1 girl to 50. On average there are about 10 girls in each category.

After making your selection, you pay the mamachka, wait for your girl to arrive and leave.

You should select wisely and pay attention to details. Of course it is at night, but try to get a look at her body (she will open her coat if you tell her to do so), look at her teeth or whatever. If nothing is available, you may go to another tochka.

Driving to the apartment or hotel:

This is the "fun part", as the police do prowl the streets looking to stop cars with tochka girls and their customers. Some tochkas are in cahoots with the police and may set you up. If you are stopped, remain calm. You are in no physical danger. It is all about a bribe. They will examine your docs and if all is ok leave you alone. They will probably find a problem with her docs, as she is probably not from Moscow and may not even be Russian, instead being from Ukraine, Moldava or Belarus. If they take her back to the squad car or say she must go to station you can either let her go (and lose your money) or bribe the cops. It should cost between ($20-50) 500-1500 rubles "straff".

If you make it back to the hotel or apartment ok (90% of the time you will not be stopped) you are home free.

Paying the taxi:

The taxi should get between 500-700 rubles for his services, depending on the length of your tour and how many tochkas were visited.

The deal:

The girl is yours until about 8am the next day, as much sex as you want or can handle. Normally they will kiss and give great GFE. Anal is an option, but up to her. Money talks.[/Quote]

I'd give a try to this:

[url]http://www.rusdosug.com/[/url]

Check the prices and you will see that most of them charge 100$ and not euro...

In my opinion they are nice enough....

Just find a good taxi who speak english and show him the number, he will arragne everything.

I think there are many privats where you can get oldie with 100 euro, but you have to be smart to find them,searching in net or finding right taxi car.

The fact the most of members here can afford 500$ for a girl, it doesn't mean that you cannot have fun with 100 euro....Am I so wrong?

Another little example is this:

[url]http://prostitutki.ru/ankets.html[/url]

Ok maybe most of them has fake photos, but also charge 70$ for 1 hour!!!
And I am sure that the ones who have fake photos are not so that ugly...

Trustable taxi and you can have more fun with your 100 euro looking for privat than to the others places for 4x times this price....

And at last but not the least, I think if not for 100 euro, but for a little more, you can get also tochka, maybe not the model type, but something surely friendly and fuckable.


P.S: btw this link in dosug was posted from It Travel, but maybe he forgot LOL...Hey It T, I joke :)

Samsarai,

Suspect it’s going to be tough to get a girl for the night for that price.

Off the web you will pay much more.

Better option is using a Tochka where you will still pay more but better value for the money. However if the militia stops you you will have to bribe them to keep the girl. 1,000 rubles has worked for me.

Then do not be surprised when security at your hotel wants the bribe to get the girl to the room.

Moscow quality is quite good but not cheap by any means.

Just bring money

Guido88

Samsarai said he wants to spend 100 euros [b]for the night[/b], and that he doesn't speak Russian.

So rusdosug, prostitutki and the like are not an option for 100 euro for the night, and a tochka is not an option if he doesn't speak Russian (disregarding the fact that prices have also increased here).

Let's be honest. In fact, there are no options. Like It Travel said: "At 100 €, or 130 $ you can't even get an oldie in central Moscow (for the night)". Better stay home and save the airfare.

Jim

[QUOTE=GandJim]Samsarai said he wants to spend 100 euros [b]for the night[/b], and that he doesn't speak Russian.

So rusdosug, prostitutki and the like are not an option for 100 euro for the night, and a tochka is not an option if he doesn't speak Russian (disregarding the fact that prices have also increased here).

Let's be honest. In fact, there are no options. Like It Travel said: "At 100 €, or 130 $ you can't even get an oldie in central Moscow (for the night)". Better stay home and save the airfare.

Jim[/QUOTE]

If he spoke Russian he might find a semi-pro sponseree on the net for 80-115 Euros/2 hours (3000-4000 rubles). I've found a few that will... but all negotiation/contact was in Russian. The whole night averages about 200 Euros (7000 rubles), although some will do it for as low as roughly 140 Euros. (5000 rubles)

About 70 Euros gets you an hour IN a salon, but no takeout.

3500 rubles (100 Euro) doesn't get much at a tochka anymore... that's the 4-5 category in most lineups. Why anybody would be to fuck something that nasty is beyond me.

Moscow differs from other cities in the fact that most salons don't offer take out options, at least not on an hourly basis.

100 Euro/night is pretty much hopeless unless you really know your way around Moscow, speak some Russian AND get really lucky.

[QUOTE=Golfplayer]Ok, then there still is the tochka possibility.

Here is what I copy-pasted from other posts/sources on tochkas:[/QUOTE]

That's nice info Golfplayer and still basically accurate... but the prices are still going up.

Check latest info here:
[url]www.sextalk.ru[/url] (russian language version of ISG basically)

100 Euros won't get you much even at a tochka... maybe a 4 or 5... and don't forget you'll pay the taxi driver about 20-25 euros and as Guido88 said, do run the risk of being stopped by the police and having to pay a "fine" of at least 30 euro if your girls papers aren't in order... and may actually lose the girl and the money you paid the mamachka entirely.

Between us guys, if your mongering budget is 100 Euros a night, you'd be better off in St.Petersburg where 100 Euros still get you 2 hours with a hottie. But even there, almost nobody does 100 Euros/night anymore.

[QUOTE=Samsarai]Hi Guys,

I will be in Moscow from June 26th to 29th. Staying at EuroCity Hotel.

Could you please give advices on where to find a WG or a CG to bring back in my hotel room for a good price (not more than 100 € for the night).

I do not speak russian.

Which place / Street to go? Trustable taxi drivers?

Nice brothels in the Center with girls to take out?

Best web links for english speaking privates?

Phone numbers?

Thanks[/QUOTE]

Bring more money is the best advice I can give you. And why do you need the night? There is a huge price increase for the girl to stay the night... usually about 70% more than if she stays 2 hours. 2 hours should be enough time to get your business done. 150 Euros/2 hours is doable with some shopping. Lukasek gave you some good links to work with.

Hi,

I have to spend one month of training this summer in the university of my choice in Russia as a part of my university program.

May someone tell me what's the best choice in Russia, Moscow or a second rate city, where the cost of living is lower and maybe the contact with girls much easier?

I think that may be much easier to find a girl outside Moscow or St Petersbourg where foreigners are quite rare.

thanks

[QUOTE=Toptraveler1]Hi,

I have to spend one month of training this summer in the university of my choice in Russia as a part of my university program.

May someone tell me what's the best choice in Russia, Moscow or a second rate city, where the cost of living is lower and maybe the contact with girls much easier?

I think that may be much easier to find a girl outside Moscow or St Petersbourg where foreigners are quite rare.

thanks[/QUOTE]

Lucky dog!!
We have been discussing this topic in "General Info", and I think there is a general concensus that going to a university in the provinces would give you much better (and cheaper) options than being in a Moscow or St.P. You will have much more exotic (white god) appeal, the girls less spoilt, and the economics much better.

But no concensus on which city/university.
I would look for a place that has nice recreational options - lakes, hiking, etc, since these could be good things to invite girls along for, and you cannot be screwing ALL the time.

I was wondering about Tomsk, which has a super student-citizen ratio, but it is a long way off!

Please let us know where you go and how it works out. Should be great!!

GT

Thank you everybody for all your advice.

This is my idea: instead of fucking twice I will go once and instead of a full night I will go for a couple of hours.

I have checked on [url]http://www.rusdosug.com/[/url] and found many nice girls. Are the pics real ?

Last question: what about asking a taxi to carry me through some WG area ? Will it be safe ? Cheap ? Nice girls ?

Bye

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[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]....
Please let us know where you go and how it works out. Should be great!!
...[/QUOTE]

Right said!

Do not forget to report us all, included many photos!

We are already waiting! :)

Thank you for your comments

I have the choice between these cities:

-Moscow
-St Petersbourg
-Nijni Novgorod
-Petrozavodsk
-Vladivostok
-Novosibirsk
-Kazan
-Perm
and Odessa in Ukraine

My ukranian friend tells me that the best option is Odessa because of the huge student community and it's beachs.

He tells me that I should find a room in dormatory.

Do you know these cities, to help me in my choice?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]Lucky dog!!
We have been discussing this topic in "General Info", and I think there is a general concensus that going to a university in the provinces would give you much better (and cheaper) options than being in a Moscow or St.P. You will have much more exotic (white god) appeal, the girls less spoilt, and the economics much better.

But no concensus on which city/university.
I would look for a place that has nice recreational options - lakes, hiking, etc, since these could be good things to invite girls along for, and you cannot be screwing ALL the time.

I was wondering about Tomsk, which has a super student-citizen ratio, but it is a long way off!

Please let us know where you go and how it works out. Should be great!!

GT[/QUOTE]

I had some second thoughts about the girls in Moscow:

* When you order a girl to come to your room/apartment, are the two hours you book her counted as effective presence at your place, or do they ***** about travel time and taxi money?

* Except internet, NF, CF and tochkas, do girls also work from hotel bars or hotel lobbies?

North of the red square (around Tverskaja) are there any hotels you can recommend for being well supplied with girls?

What are the going rates there?

* Speaking about tochkas and the raise in prices, please be precise: what are now the three price levels at tochkas?

[QUOTE=Toptraveler1]

To have the choice

Novosibirsk is that the best option?

[/QUOTE]

Considering you are not going in winter, a one month special project in this fully equipped remote laboratory will provide optimal opportunity for R&D and serious practical application of siberian mongering techniques.

You would have to be insane, or completely gay, to turn down this assignment.

Any average fool, here too numerous to count, could crash the lazy eye low road resort destination of Odessa for another forgettable summer fling with boozed out bimbos.

How many adventurous explorers willing to risk all posess that rare spirit of imagination to propel you beyond the conventional boundaries of courage?

This is what you should ask yourself.

[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]Considering you are not going in winter, a one month special project in this fully equipped remote laboratory will provide optimal opportunity for R&D and serious practical application of siberian mongering techniques.

You would have to be insane, or completely gay, to turn down this assignment.

Any average fool, here too numerous to count, could crash the lazy eye low road resort destination of Odessa for another forgettable summer fling with boozed out bimbos.

How many adventurous explorers willing to risk all posess that rare spirit of imagination to propel you beyond the conventional boundaries of courage?

This is what you should ask yourself.[/QUOTE]

I think I could agree Bez, but also Odessa is good... If he could take two terms....

IT

[QUOTE=Golfplayer]I had some second thoughts about the girls in Moscow:

* When you order a girl to come to your room/apartment, are the two hours you book her counted as effective presence at your place, or do they ***** about travel time and taxi money?

* Except internet, NF, CF and tochkas, do girls also work from hotel bars or hotel lobbies?

North of the red square (around Tverskaja) are there any hotels you can recommend for being well supplied with girls?

What are the going rates there?

* Speaking about tochkas and the raise in prices, please be precise: what are now the three price levels at tochkas?[/QUOTE]

The two hours are two hours in your room.

Some hotels have lobby girls. Supposedly one of the best is Hotel Kosmos, near Mira Prospect. Ask for a renovated room. There is a disco/club to the right of the reception desk that is well-stocked. Can't say on current prices, but probably about $100/hour.

Other hotels with lobby girls are Sheraton, Hotel Budapest, Hotel Peter 1 etc. Generally speaking, lobby girls are a bit older... usually about 30-35 years old and a bit rough around the edges... i.e. not so pretty, but bodies are ok. A Russian friend of mine says Kosmos has great girls, but I regrettably can't speak from personal experience. Just stayed at Peter 1 recently and although the hotel itself is OK, the lobby girls were atrocious.

Do note that tochkas can have different prices, for example 3000/5000/6000 or 3000/6000/9000. There is no official set prices for all tochki in Moscow, they determine their own rates.

I would guesstimate that current levels are:

3000
5000
6000
7000
9000

You'll just have to go there and find out.

Mongering in Russia is an imperfect science, you'll have to be a bit of an adventurer. If you want set price levels, times and locations, go to Germany.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]The two hours are two hours in your room.

Some hotels have lobby girls. Supposedly one of the best is Hotel Kosmos, near Mira Prospect. Ask for a renovated room. There is a disco/club to the right of the reception desk that is well-stocked. Can't say on current prices, but probably about $100/hour.

Other hotels with lobby girls are Sheraton, Hotel Budapest, Hotel Peter 1 etc. Generally speaking, lobby girls are a bit older... usually about 30-35 years old and a bit rough around the edges... i.e. not so pretty, but bodies are ok. A Russian friend of mine says Kosmos has great girls, but I regrettably can't speak from personal experience. Just stayed at Peter 1 recently and although the hotel itself is OK, the lobby girls were atrocious.

Do note that tochkas can have different prices, for example 3000/5000/6000 or 3000/6000/9000. There is no official set prices for all tochki in Moscow, they determine their own rates.

I would guesstimate that current levels are:

3000
5000
6000
7000
9000

You'll just have to go there and find out.

Mongering in Russia is an imperfect science, you'll have to be a bit of an adventurer. If you want set price levels, times and locations, go to Germany.[/QUOTE]


Yes Doc,

also National have lobby girls.

the prioce seems unaffected of the hotel level and usually is 100 USD hour, some times meaning 100 USD/shot !

One more for the newcomer..

when you se a price in RUR (like on the restaurant menu) set in this way:

3000/5000/9000 it is meaning 1 hour, 2 hours night (normally seven-eight hours). Anal and BBBJ normally extra 500-1000.

Just my 2 cents of experience...

IT

Despite it is a real adventure and you can be stopped for a "fine" by the Police nothing really hurting happens. It's not in the interest of the Mamacka.

Despite this I still prefer the Internet mongering, mostly for simple reasons.

A) I usually register the girl at the reception (trying to avoiding theft)

B) I do not need to wait to 11-12 p.m. for getting a girl in the bed

C) On flirt is easy to find girls at usual rates, prettier and with a good English, they get all the 8-9000 RUR, not just the half or less...

D) You have an exact description (95% true) of what the girl is doing (BBBJ, anal, etc). Maybe the pics are photoshiopped or fake, but if it's too much just give them taxi money and send them back.

It's all

IT

Excuse me guys, but what is exactly a tochka?

[QUOTE=Samsarai]Excuse me guys, but what is exactly a tochka?[/QUOTE]
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Thanks!

I loved every line of this report and will definitely go for a so called Tochka when in Moscow.

Any feed-back about EuroCity Hotel?

Bye

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank][url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=445088&postcount=3427[/url][/QUOTE]


Doc we had a photo here but I can't rememeber where it is....

do you?

IT

It Travel I guess you mean the photo posted from Ca Traveler, a car with 5-6 tockhas in front of it in the night, if yes I searched too this morning and not found,but I think he posted around the year 2005 or early 2006.

On flirt is easy to find girls at usual rates, prettier and with a good English, they get all the 8-9000 RUR, not just the half or less...


IT - what is the full website for "flirt" you were referring to with "English" talent?

The only other English site I know is the Rusdosug site.
Thanks

Here is my favorite web option

You might want to check on [url]www.girls-students.ru[/url]

Definite cuties pics are real; attitudes have been very good for me. Actually had one that was a fuck of a lifetime type experience. Marina answers the phone with perfect English. I was paying $150 for 2 hours and have had girls stay much longer, 3-4 hours.

GandJim mentioned they had raised the rates recently. Not sure what the current tarrif is, he thought it is $300 as is the sister site. They also had hourly rates available.

I see a couple in that line up I am going to have to get carnal knowledge of on the next trip.

Anyone used this site recently?

Guido88

[QUOTE=Guido88]Here is my favorite web option

You might want to check on [url]www.girls-students.ru[/url]

Definite cuties pics are real; attitudes have been very good for me. Actually had one that was a fuck of a lifetime type experience. Marina answers the phone with perfect English. I was paying $150 for 2 hours and have had girls stay much longer, 3-4 hours.

GandJim mentioned they had raised the rates recently. Not sure what the current tarrif is, he thought it is $300 as is the sister site. They also had hourly rates available.

I see a couple in that line up I am going to have to get carnal knowledge of on the next trip.

Anyone used this site recently?

Guido88[/QUOTE]


If the pictures are real I think I just found heaven.
Must sample this talent in my next trip.
Anyone have any "real" experience"?

Firebird,

The toughest part is going to be which of those beauties to choose. I only see around 50 girls I would like to do with 4 on the must do list.

Recommend you ask who has good attitudes and speaks English if that’s important. Marina has always been quite helpful in girl selection for me. Used them over the last 3 years and have not yet been disappointed.

I think you and I and Lukasek will be in RU around the same time in Nov. PM me with your schedule and we can down a beer or two and compare notes.

Guido88

[QUOTE=Guido88]
GandJim mentioned they had raised the rates recently.[/QUOTE]
I was just guessing. I thought that prices would have increased like in the salons, but apparently they have not that much. I haven't used this agency for some years now (but can confirm that girls are real, at least the ones i saw more than 2 years ago).

Jim

[QUOTE=GandJim]I was just guessing. I thought that prices would have increased like in the salons, but apparently they have not that much. I haven't used this agency for some years now (but can confirm that girls are real, at least the ones i saw more than 2 years ago).

Jim[/QUOTE]I think they run a resonable show. I met Vlada last week and she preformed good for her money.

Hello Guys,

Now I have the "Moscow Tochka experience" ready in my pocket and will go for it as discussed before.

Just in case it is not working so good, what place would you suggest to end up the night - as i am looking for a bar (maybe with a live band but not necessarily)(maybe with night club type music but not necessarily) or club (even hostess club or SC) to go for a drink and pick up a girl (any P4P: CG, WG, hooker for a GFE and FS - ST, LT or OVN) for the night ?

Thks for your support and of course complete report on return

Wilkes

How much was the service by Vlada? She is a cutie.



Samsari,

I kind of like the Safari strip club. 100 ruble lap dances with full service available in the back rooms. Or get phone numbers and have them come to your apartment the next day.

Guido88

[QUOTE=It Travel]Yes Doc,

also National have lobby girls.

the prioce seems unaffected of the hotel level and usually is 100 USD hour, some times meaning 100 USD/shot !

One more for the newcomer..

when you se a price in RUR (like on the restaurant menu) set in this way:

3000/5000/9000 it is meaning 1 hour, 2 hours night (normally seven-eight hours). Anal and BBBJ normally extra 500-1000.

Just my 2 cents of experience...

IT[/QUOTE]


IT, I was in National thousand times and never in the life saw there girls. The rate of 100$ per hour sounds absolutely impossible for this sort of a place. In hotels girls have to pay security fee from each client. National is not a cheap place. With these rates girls would have nothing left in their own pockets at all. In Golden Ring, which is OK, but a lower class hotel than National, 2 years ago girls took 150$ per hour and payed 70$ to security each time. Anal for extra 500-1000 - are you joking? In tochka may be, but not in National and not in any central hotel of Moscow. As our comrade Stalin used to say "It can't be so, because it can never be so".



[QUOTE=Alfifi]I am going the first time to Russia, to Moscow and our partner made a reservation at the Holiday Inn Suschevsky in Moscow.

I would like to know, is there some action arround this hotel, and if there is, where exactly. Please let me know if you had any kind of experience over there.

Thank you[/QUOTE]

Inside this hotel, I guess, there is no any action. Security watch around like hungry dogs. If you invite the girl from outside you will have to meet her downstairs, let receptionist take her passport copy and see the girl out when she leaves, otherwise these idiots will try to give her a headache at any time of the day or night no matter that they registered her themselves. It's the same story about all Moscow "Holiday Inns". The one in Suschevsky is located quite near to the center and you can reach all good places within 10-15 minutes of drive or going by metro. There is Rizskaya metro station in the walking distance. If you go one station to the north (same line) you will get to Alekseevskaya station, near which (just few buildings from metro) you will see "Belii Medved'" strip-club.

The current price for lab dances at Safari is 200 ruble.

[QUOTE=Guido88]Wilkes

How much was the service by Vlada? She is a cutie.

Samsari,

I kind of like the Safari strip club. 100 ruble lap dances with full service available in the back rooms. Or get phone numbers and have them come to your apartment the next day.

Guido88[/QUOTE]

Sirs,

Nobody seemed to pay attention to the fact some of the photos are from well known erotic models and porn starlettes. I don't know about the others.

Good luck everybody!

Jack

I noticed that I had seen Arina from girls-students in photo spreads by Hegre, Galitsan and other nude photographers that work that section of the world. Maybe she works as a pro on the side as many professional women do or maybe not.

So far, to my delight the girls I have ordered have arrived at my door.

Being that in Russia few things are perfect, the possibility of them padding the site some is a real one as many of the Russian escort sites do.

Still next trip I plan to use them as a source for fun. Only way to know is to go and see for yourself!

Mongers pursuits are always the luck of the draw.

Your mileage may vary.

Best of luck

Guido88

Girls-students and many similar sites (moscow-students, beauties-students, etc.) advertise on the Moscow times. There are about 8-9 sites that are advertised there, but most are just replications of one another. There are really just two sets of sites. I've used them a handful of times.

On the positive side, the dispatcher speaks good English (which can be very handy for non-Russian-speaking companion seekers in Moscow.

On the negative side, the pics are heavily touched-up. The girls are generally decent looking, but not as in the photos. Plus, the dispatcher is not always honest. Especially one by the name of Masha. I've often asked for one girl and received another. In one case, was told a natural blonde was coming over and received a brunette instead. Finally, the girls don't always stay the full 2 hours--you can see them start to prepare to go and take the pre-exit "shower" after about 90mins. The girls also vary with regard to attitude, service quality, etc.

[QUOTE=Guido88]Here is my favorite web option

You might want to check on [url]www.girls-students.ru[/url]


Guido88[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gkfchan]The current price for lab dances at Safari is 200 ruble.[/QUOTE]No it's not. Girls ask for 200, but you should only pay 100 roubles. I have been asked 200 also, but I laughed at the girl, gave 100 roubles and told her that this is the right amount. She didn't like it at all, but 30 minutes later she was again giving me a lap dance and at that point she was happy with 100 roubles, didn't even ask for 200.

You can of course pay 500 if you think that's the right price.

For Valentina it's very simple...

Buy a little vicabulary lay off Google.. paper ist often much faster..

First call her and say Ya ne russki... ya... and your name

Ya i hotel (plus name) she knows all. Then in single figures tell her your room number and say evening in Russian, my be the hour you want her (spelling the numbers not am and pm... 10.00 pm is 22.00).

It's not so complicated.

IT

[QUOTE=Gkfchan]The current price for lab dances at Safari is 200 ruble.[/QUOTE]

Not later than last winter a girl neraly kidnapped my firend in the lobby bar of National, offering openly sex at 2.30 or 3.00 in the night... He was her last chance.

The other scale is the Internet prices of girls you can find on a lot of sites, with variation of course, some gives anal for free, some want 2000... It's up to the customer to accept.

Despite what you say both in Moscwo in Petersburg and in Kiev you gan get nice girls with nice GFE for approx 300 USD/night sometimes 400 (I mean not 6/7 hours I mean a real night, of course off the tourist and manager traps...

IT

The first night, it was late when I managed to break free, so I decided to get a girl as quick as possible from a tochka.

With the "taxist" we rode around half moscow without finding any. Saturday was end of school day, the red square was blocked by police and militz cracked down on tochkas and removed them from the city center.

Went to bed frustrated at 2:00.

Be advised that taxi drivers ask for 1500 rubles for tochka cruising.

The second night, I tried to phone some of the good-looking girls from the net. My russian is bad, and most of them told "niet" to my question. So I ended up with Marta: [url]http://www.publichouse.ru/vg.php?id=1140420622&pic=5[/url]

The pix have definitely been doctored. She looks slim on the pix, in reality she is a solid soviet construction, and never her weight was 48 Kg. I think it's nearly 60.
She is advertised doing anal - she doesn't.

After we decided on 4000 rubles for 2 hours, she wanted 500 more. Nu Ladna.
She wanted to speak russian with me (my russian sucks, remember?), made fun of me not understanding, and didn't want to switch off her mobile and took calls.
Sex was very mechanical, didn't fulfill the 2 hours. NEVER AGAIN.

Maybe more luck tomorrow.

I will try to call a couple of internet hotties like the huge titted Darina, and if this doesn't work, I'll be trying tochka.

The day after, I'm going to try a club, maybe boarhouse. It probably helps to get along well with the girl first.

IT, where do I find Valentina's number?

[QUOTE=Golfplayer]The first night, it was late when I managed to break free, so I decided to get a girl as quick as possible from a tochka.

With the "taxist" we rode around half moscow without finding any. Saturday was end of school day, the red square was blocked by police and militz cracked down on tochkas and removed them from the city center.

Went to bed frustrated at 2:00.

Be advised that taxi drivers ask for 1500 rubles for tochka cruising.

The second night, I tried to phone some of the good-looking girls from the net. My russian is bad, and most of them told "niet" to my question. So I ended up with Marta: [url]http://www.publichouse.ru/vg.php?id=1140420622&pic=5[/url]

The pix have definitely been doctored. She looks slim on the pix, in reality she is a solid soviet construction, and never her weight was 48 Kg. I think it's nearly 60.
She is advertised doing anal - she doesn't.

After we decided on 4000 rubles for 2 hours, she wanted 500 more. Nu Ladna.
She wanted to speak russian with me (my russian sucks, remember?), made fun of me not understanding, and didn't want to switch off her mobile and took calls.
Sex was very mechanical, didn't fulfill the 2 hours. NEVER AGAIN.

Maybe more luck tomorrow.

I will try to call a couple of internet hotties like the huge titted Darina, and if this doesn't work, I'll be trying tochka.

The day after, I'm going to try a club, maybe boarhouse. It probably helps to get along well with the girl first.

IT, where do I find Valentina's number?[/QUOTE]


I think you are very unlucky or did seomthing wrong.... really wrong...

It can go bad with a stinner like a log in the bed (I usually do not like 10's)... the girls in the 6/7 range need customers so they do all what they can. I have been only really disappointed once in Russia, but she was completely drunk so...

If you do not find anyting in Moscow (like not finding caviar at Gastronom n°1, Elisevsky) then go to Kiev and try the oral skills of Mystery Tramp...

Otherwise change continent...

IT


IT

[QUOTE=It Travel]I think you are very unlucky or did seomthing wrong.... really wrong...

It can go bad with a stinner like a log in the bed (I usually do not like 10's)... the girls in the 6/7 range need customers so they do all what they can. I have been only really disappointed once in Russia, but she was completely drunk so...

If you do not find anyting in Moscow (like not finding caviar at Gastronom n°1, Elisevsky) then go to Kiev and try the oral skills of Mystery Tramp...

Otherwise change continent...

IT


IT[/QUOTE]

C'mon IT, be fair. It is possible to have some bad luck. Can happen to anyone. I personally have found little correlation between beauty and performance... if anything the only difference in performance is where you picked her up... and usually the difference for me can be found in myself.

Only disappointed once in all the years you've been fucking in Russia? You haven't fucked enough girls yet... find some more... :)

I do hope you did better on your second night GP, sorry that your girl was a dud... it can happen, but IT is right that it is pretty rare. Looking forward to your report!

Golfplayer,

Sucks when they shut down the Tochkas on the Garden ring. Still they can usually be found somewhere frequently on the way to the airport, Himki if memory serves me right. You need to negotiate better with the cabbies and you should not use a real cab.

As to your Internet choice you got unlucky, should have sent her away at the door when you saw the increased waist size and no anal.

You allowed her to take calls, make fun of you, short time ect…. Do not put up with that shit from any woman paid or not. She pegged you for Mr nice guy and took advantage. On my 1st trip I made similar mistakes. You need to assert yourself; the RU women expect it and respond well to it.

If I were in your shoes and had limited time I would either have a cabbie take me to a good salon so you can choose or try Girls-students.ru Despite other comments I have not yet had any problems with them and have always received who I ordered looking quite like the pictures. Want anal, ask who does it?

Once again allow no girl to short time you. Girls will attempt it, Bullshit calls grandmother died, some bogus emergency ect…..


God man, you are in Pussy heaven. Go get some.

Good luck

Guido88

May you tell us how salons work?

[QUOTE=Guido88]Golfplayer,

Sucks when they shut down the Tochkas on the Garden ring. Still they can usually be found somewhere frequently on the way to the airport, Himki if memory serves me right. You need to negotiate better with the cabbies and you should not use a real cab.

As to your Internet choice you got unlucky, should have sent her away at the door when you saw the increased waist size and no anal.

You allowed her to take calls, make fun of you, short time ect…. Do not put up with that shit from any woman paid or not. She pegged you for Mr nice guy and took advantage. On my 1st trip I made similar mistakes. You need to assert yourself; the RU women expect it and respond well to it.

If I were in your shoes and had limited time I would either have a cabbie take me to a good salon so you can choose or try Girls-students.ru Despite other comments I have not yet had any problems with them and have always received who I ordered looking quite like the pictures. Want anal, ask who does it?

Once again allow no girl to short time you. Girls will attempt it, Bullshit calls grandmother died, some bogus emergency ect…..

God man, you are in Pussy heaven. Go get some.

Good luck

Guido88[/QUOTE]

23:20. Time for Golfplayer to play another round.

IT, I have been in Kiev and never had a problem there. Friendly & nice girls who wanted to fuck bareback. Had to stop them. But really nice GFE there (4 times).

Moscow. What I need is a good dispatcher.

I'll come back to the forum tomorrow, hopefully with better news.

BTW, what's Valentina's number?

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]C'mon IT, be fair. It is possible to have some bad luck. Can happen to anyone. I personally have found little correlation between beauty and performance... if anything the only difference in performance is where you picked her up... and usually the difference for me can be found in myself.

Only disappointed once in all the years you've been fucking in Russia? You haven't fucked enough girls yet... find some more... :)

I do hope you did better on your second night GP, sorry that your girl was a dud... it can happen, but IT is right that it is pretty rare. Looking forward to your report![/QUOTE]


Doc,

I was just joking a little bit... Seems impossible not to get laid in Moscow!

I had lots of not exceptional experiences out in the Great Mother Russia, teens in need of some green bills of cour nothing exceptional (in bed). But when you get a night with a beautiful 18-9teen fot 100-150 USD you can't say it's bad. You get an hour in EU for that money.

Of course, as a young scholar I will trust your teachings... I have to fuck more :D

IT

I have a tourist visa to Moscow this summer. After staying a few days in Moscow, would I be restricted if I wanted to travel to another city by plane (such as Kazan for example)? Has anybody ever tried to do this? I'the like to go to one of these remote cities like Chelyabinsk and see what I can do in a few days there. Any help is appreciated!

[QUOTE=It Travel]

I like the girls in the 6/7 range they do all what they can.

Go to Kiev and try the Mystery Tramp...

[/QUOTE]

As they say, to each his own, but I will not, because I can not, settle for mediocrity, when so much hotness abounds. And in my rare moments of weakness, when I have dropped my standards, I have found just as many complete duds, or even worse super sukas, as I have dyevs that try hard to please, in those lower quality levels.

And talk about lowering your standards, yes please go find the Tramp and maybe you will win the special prize for being her 10 millionth customer!

In my experiences, I have found that it will depend on me, as much as the dyevochka, as the wise Doctor of Skankology has said. If you can find a way to put your wife for the night at ease, get her to relax, have a little fun, open up, show her you are different from the other cocks she has had,
it is possible to light a fire and crank up the temperature between her legs.

Of course, this is only possible, if you ARE different. No it doesn't always work. But like I said, it can depend a lot on what I do, and how I do it.

[QUOTE=Lovedatslavicass]I have a tourist visa to Moscow this summer. After staying a few days in Moscow, would I be restricted if I wanted to travel to another city by plane (such as Kazan for example)? Has anybody ever tried to do this? I'the like to go to one of these remote cities like Chelyabinsk and see what I can do in a few days there. Any help is appreciated![/QUOTE]


If you do not have a Business visa you should have the cities or a tour program enlisted on your visa (with a reference number).

Usually if you are one or two weeks in Moscow and want to add St. Petersburg there will be no problem, but outer cities might be a problem.

Mind that thre have been a tight restriction on visia systems for UE citizens..

IT

[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]As they say, to each his own, but I will not, because I can not, settle for mediocrity, when so much hotness abounds. And in my rare moments of weakness, when I have dropped my standards, I have found just as many complete duds, or even worse super sukas, as I have dyevs that try hard to please, in those lower quality levels.

And talk about lowering your standards, yes please go find the Tramp and maybe you will win the special prize for being her 10 millionth customer!

In my experiences, I have found that it will depend on me, as much as the dyevochka, as the wise Doctor of Skankology has said. If you can find a way to put your wife for the night at ease, get her to relax, have a little fun, open up, show her you are different from the other cocks she has had,
it is possible to light a fire and crank up the temperature between her legs.

Of course, this is only possible, if you ARE different. No it doesn't always work. But like I said, it can depend a lot on what I do, and how I do it.[/QUOTE]

It was only my experience... I prefer a normal girl which is a pig in the bed rather than Claudia Shiffer cold as a fridge... Just a matter of opinions and experiences. I'm not searching for models but for real sex! :D

Of course anyone is free to have his taste!

IT

PS By Bez!

[QUOTE=It Travel]It was only my experience... I prefer a normal girl which is a pig in the bed rather than Claudia Shiffer cold as a fridge... Just a matter of opinions and experiences. I'm not searching for models but for real sex! :D

Of course anyone is free to have his taste!

IT

PS By Bez![/QUOTE]

I think Bez is trying to say if you can choose between sexy normal pig and sexy Claudia Schiffer pig, why not Claudia Schiffer pig?

I certainly agree that normal pig better than cold Claudia, Claudias are often as hot or hotter in the sack making oink oink noises than their plain Jane sisters... :)

It has been told time and time again at this forum. So let this be (again) a gentle warning to all of us:.)

Look at this woman: She has a nice rack but her left breast on the third photo looks weird, doesn't it? And aren't her nipples very large? If you would compare them relatively with with her height, they would almost be 1 inch in diameter.

And thanks to our Russian colleagues who also commented on these photos:

"Look at the last photo: the left breast does not hang down".

"Yeah, this is simply a photoshopped woman, but they always forget about the laws of physics".

[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=43443[/url]

Shit shit shit

Again bad luck.

The taxist (negociated him down to 800 this time) took me to a tochka that was located inside a street underpass for pedestrians. The was good choice, but the prices were quite steep: 5000/7000/10000 and 12000

Of the 10 girls of the 5000 category, 2 were barely fuckable the rest were sukas. I went for Natasha from Ukraine for 7000, small, slim with nice silicone tits (they were really nice, soft but keeping their shape).

Small padarik for mamutschka, and back to my apartment.

Already in the taxi I felt that she was tense.

We had some average sex (nothing exceptional), and after, her mood was terrible. I did ask for anal (I saw that she already gave anal), but she refused, not even accepting money.

In the morning she called her pimp and they got very angry at each other, which is probably the reason why she had bad mood and was tense.

Total damage 8000 rubles, I must have made the gods angry or something.

If my internet date (a student, not a WG) reacts today, I will try to go with her to a club.

If that doesn't work, I will try a salon or a club. As things are, I could also get an english speaking girl for 250/300$ straight away from Night Flight.

Where are english speaking girls best found? Mc Coy, Boarhouse?

[QUOTE=Lovedatslavicass]

I have a tourist visa to Moscow this summer.

After a few days in Moscow, would I be restricted if I wanted to travel to another city by plane such as Kazan or Chelyabinsk

[/QUOTE]

When you sent in your visa application, you were required to list ALL destinations, not just Moscow. Of course, you are also required to have an invitation from a travel agent for ALL destinations also. You need this invitation to register your passport in ALL your destinations. If you are not registered, you can have problems when you try to board your plane to return to Moscow. Sure you may be able to pay some fine or bribe, but do you want to take these chances?

If their computer actually works, and they see that your visa is only for Moscow, how will you explain what you are doing in Chelyabinsk? It is not a tourist destination, so they will automatically assume you are there for something else, like spying. They are still paranoid fucks!

[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]If their computer actually works, and they see that your visa is only for Moscow, how will you explain what you are doing in Chelyabinsk? It is not a tourist destination, so they will automatically assume you are there for something else, like spying. They are still paranoid fucks![/QUOTE]Can I show them my photo collection to prove what I was really doing there? :-)

This is kind of a downer. I wanted to visit a few other cities, but I have already sent off for my visa. Damn.

[QUOTE=Lovedatslavicass]

Can I show them my photos?

I want to visit other cities. Damn.

[/QUOTE]

Don't pull out your camera, then they'll accuse you of spying for sure! :D

After you get there, go to a travel agent, and they should be able to help you get your flights and hotels, and invitations. If you show those, you shouldn't have trouble getting hotels to register you.

Remember, they want your money. Pay them, and they may help you. But don't forget, they might screw you too! :p

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]I think Bez is trying to say if you can choose between sexy normal pig and sexy Claudia Schiffer pig, why not Claudia Schiffer pig?

I certainly agree that normal pig better than cold Claudia, Claudias are often as hot or hotter in the sack making oink oink noises than their plain Jane sisters... :)[/QUOTE]

The best girl I got in Russia was a just 18teen tocka in Tatarstan some years ago... simply perfect. Black hair, blue or green (I should check my own report) eyes and china bone skin. Like looking a Leonardo's painting... Even a nice fuck if you do all the work... But usually I pay them for working :D I apprecite a lot when a nice girl is riding me all the night... I'm so lazy!

Of course I agree totally, but my experience is when you get up some kind of relation with a real pro (I mean fucking her more than 4/5 times obviously in different days), beeing kind, taking her to a normal restaurant and treating her like a normal girl and not like a ***** you can get lots out of their young white bodies...

I think you understand I like Russian and Ukranian girls a lot for bodies and this silk skin some has...

IT

[QUOTE=Lovedatslavicass]Can I show them my photo collection to prove what I was really doing there? :-)

This is kind of a downer. I wanted to visit a few other cities, but I have already sent off for my visa. Damn.[/QUOTE]

Obviously you can extend your visa in Moscow, but it costs money and time (usually a lot of both)... specially if you have a single tourist visa for one city. If you went to Piter or to Novgorod probaly nobody would care... just a stupid tourist forgetting to put the other city on the visa.

For Chelyabinsk it woluld be like as you, hypotetically, got a visa for New York (I mean in USA) and then decide do go to se Boston or Washington... nobody would care.

On Russian flight tickets there is your passoprt number, also on long distance trains and asking to go to Chelyabinsk sound exacly like going to Poliarny. The aproximate equivalent in the US are the site of the Laurence Livermore Institute (for nuclear weapons) and Groton Mas., where they build nuclear submarines... Strange place for a tourist... In any case don't worry.

The maximum can be some thousand RUR fines and bribes up to 200-300 USD beacuse, in reality, you do not have any cahnce to get to Poliarny or to Chelyabinsk 70. Perhaps to the normal city yes, but not the ones usualkly identified with numbers after the name (once only with the post code). It's very simple Russia is still Russia.

I have been in a company (in Tatarstan) working also, not only, for the defence in Russia and I had to get my visa issued by the ministry of defence "MO". Officials were expecting me at the Kazan airport... funny because I was invited... but if you are not you are not welcome.

Kazan for instance is a very friendly city with tourists, bars, cafes, train, airport, even crusing ships make stops to see the kreml... but if you try to get out of the city more than 40/50 km in the direction of some big industries... you simply will never get there.

IT

[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]After you get there, go to a travel agent, and they should be able to help you get your flights and hotels, and invitations. If you show those, you shouldn't have trouble getting hotles to register you.

Remember, they want your money. Pay them, and they may help you. But don't forget, they might screw you too! :p[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice, Bez and IT. I was thinking about purchasing a ticket via the Aeroflot website before I go. Stay in Moscow for a few days, then show up at the airport with my ticket to Kazan. I have an internet girl in Kazan and I've thought about going to check her out. She's offered to let me stay in her flat. So free room and board, and free Slavic ass. Can't beat that. You just never know how those situations will turn out though.

Since that would not require any registration at a hotel, would it still be necessary to have some form of invitation for Kazan to go along with my tourist visa when I show up at the airport in Moscow?

Per Gand Jim's request. I will post a much belated report for Kharkov, Ukraine. I've received so much valuable information and I don't know how much I can help, but look for it there Jim and others, if you are interested.

[QUOTE=It Travel]Obviously you can extend your visa in Moscow, but it costs money and time (usually a lot of both)... specially if you have a single tourist visa for one city. If you went to Piter or to Novgorod probaly nobody would care... just a stupid tourist forgetting to put the other city on the visa.

For Chelyabinsk it woluld be like as you, hypotetically, got a visa for New York (I mean in USA) and then decide do go to se Boston or Washington... nobody would care.

On Russian flight tickets there is your passoprt number, also on long distance trains and asking to go to Chelyabinsk sound exacly like going to Poliarny. The aproximate equivalent in the US are the site of the Laurence Livermore Institute (for nuclear weapons) and Groton Mas., where they build nuclear submarines... Strange place for a tourist... In any case don't worry.

The maximum can be some thousand RUR fines and bribes up to 200-300 USD beacuse, in reality, you do not have any cahnce to get to Poliarny or to Chelyabinsk 70. Perhaps to the normal city yes, but not the ones usualkly identified with numbers after the name (once only with the post code). It's very simple Russia is still Russia.

I have been in a company (in Tatarstan) working also, not only, for the defence in Russia and I had to get my visa issued by the ministry of defence "MO". Officials were expecting me at the Kazan airport... funny because I was invited... but if you are not you are not welcome.

Kazan for instance is a very friendly city with tourists, bars, cafes, train, airport, even crusing ships make stops to see the kreml... but if you try to get out of the city more than 40/50 km in the direction of some big industries... you simply will never get there.

IT[/QUOTE]Thanks. Damn Russians. In Ukraine, all you need is a passport and a destination city. I'm working on a little report for Kharkov. Thanks again.

[QUOTE=Lovedatslavicass]

If I go to Kazan, would it be necessary to have invitation at the airport in Moscow?

[/QUOTE]

The ONLY info on your visa is your arrival and departure dates. But once you are in kazan, you still need to register your passport with the police. Without an invitation, I'm not sure what they will say. Maybe you'll just have to pay a few hundred dolllars fine, get fingerprinted, mug shots, and waste a few days with their paperwork. But if you stay at a hotel, they should register you.

Ask your internet friend for the name and telephone of a hotel in Kazan, and make a reservation. That is basically your invitation right there.

When you get back to Moscow from Kazan, again you're not crossing any borders, so they shouldn't even check anything on your papers, you should just walk right out of the airport. They will check for your registrations when you leave Russia. Be ready for more fines.

[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]When you get back to Moscow from Kazan, again you're not crossing any borders, so they shouldn't even check anything on your papers, you should just walk right out of the airport. They will check for your registrations when you leave Russia. Be ready for more fines.[/QUOTE]I've only been to Russia one other time and that was a very brief stay in Sankt Petersburg to visit a girl I knew there. Of course, SPB was the only city I went to. I had a tourist visa. When I departed at Pulkovo airport (flying back through Germany), the only thing I had to show at Pulkovo was my passport. I'm not sure they even looked at my visa when I was leaving, but I certainly did not have any questions pertaining to the registration of my visa. In fact, the ONLY time I had to show my visa to the Russians was my initial arrival at Pulkovo (at customs). My stay there was very short and I think my apartment service registered me, but I wouldn't have known either way. They never brought it up to me.

I mention this, because in my short experience there the tourist visa seemed to be nothing more than an extra tax for entering Russia, as I had absolutely no use for it after I cleared customs entering Pulkovo. That's why I got the idea about hopping a flight, just go check out some babe I'm lusting for in Kazan without an extra invitation to my visa.

All this being said, perhaps my experience was exclusive only to SPB and not indicative of what I would face in Moscow or other cities. Once more, thanks for the advice!

If this is boring the hell out of everyone, I apologize, though its possible someone else might come across the same problem.

Saint Pete is the number one toursit destination, so they probably couldn't give two shits about EU citizens going home. Moscow is the primary business destination, so again, you're just another german leaving town.

But when you venture forth into the heart of the motherland, they look at you differently. If anything, its because there's nothing else for them to do, and 99 percent of who they check are russians and FSU citizens, who don't require any visas or invites, so you stroll up and give them a reason to actually do some fucking work. Who else are they going to get the chance to fuck with, except you? Are the words, "big fat bribe" written on your forehead? That's what they see, because their rules are too fucked up for any foreigner to understand, so you are easy pickings. You got a plane to catch, and you got money, so now you just became a special case.

Congratulations!

Bez,

You have tons more experience than I traveling through Russia. Don't apologize for boring anybody, because your information is top notch! We should be thanking you just for posting your insights here.

[QUOTE=Lovedatslavicass]

Bez, Don't apologize! thank you for posting

[/QUOTE]

To be honest, my info is useless.

I'm only good for one thing.

Any of you guys around next week for beer and huntin'? I arrive at the weekend and will stay thru' Friday.

Hi everyone,

On Monday I will be in moscow for just 1 night. I would like to know if someone try this web-site: [url]http://www.diamond-passion.com/ladies.html[/url]

I read in the web good opinion about it! Know something more?

And also I would like to know if Marriot Royal Aurora permit to bring the girl in the room.

Thanks in advance!

[QUOTE=Luchino]Hi everyone,

On Monday I will be in moscow for just 1 night. I would like to know if someone try this web-site: [url]http://www.diamond-passion.com/ladies.html[/url]

I read in the web good opinion about it! Know something more?

And also I would like to know if Marriot Royal Aurora permit to bring the girl in the room.

Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]I do a mistake, this agency work in Ukraina. Sorry.

Anyway I find this girl in sextalk: [url]http: //sextalk. Ru/showthreaded.php? Cat=0&Number=595640&an=0&page=0#595640[/url]

All the comments are great. I will try her on Tuesday. No one knowh she?

Paka

Perhaps one can answer me this: how valuable is a stolen American passport (with a tourist visa) to a Russian thief? I have a girl trying to get me to send her two 3x4 cm personal photos and a copy of my passport. She knows I already have a tourist visa, but she wants me to go to her in Kazan. She says it's necessary. I have my strong doubts. I've always heard to report immediately to your embassy if your passport is stolen? What can a thief in Russia do with it? Any experiences to relate? Thanks.

After a series of frustrations in Moscow (some of which I detailed in previous posts), I finally got some good sex.

Summary of my findings:

- internet girls that come to your place: never again. The photos are doctored, and you don't get to know even a little the personality of the girl before having her at your door.

- visit to internet girls at their place: same as above, plus you will need a driver and give him your cellphone to talk to the djevuchka in order to actually find the ***ing place.

- salon: better option than the 2 above. But you will also not find it on your own. They begin by giving you a wrong address on the phone, which is not far from the final location. You have to call a second time, and the instructions to get to the salon were not understandable to me. So don't send your driver away when you arrive at the address you get on the first phone call.

- tochka: why not, but the costs for a tochka girl are almost the same nowadays as for a high-class girl. Tochka: minimum 800 for taxi driver, about 7000 or 8000 for the girl, depending on tochka + padarak dlia mamutschka + they are usually hungry and will empty your fridge + will try all kinds of money-sucking techniques on you if you don't make them afraid beforehand.

It is important that you precisely define and agree the business wih the girl. Russians (men and girls) are usually honoring precisely defined obligations. A few things to think about: total time, how much times, anal yes/no (usually no for club girls), kissing.

- Club Girl: best option from my point of view. I went a couple of times to Night Flight in Tverskaya. In the club you can chat a little with the girl, and know her interest in you. Prices vary greatly. A relatively ugly one wanted 500 EUR (= 17000 Rubles) for the night, and a top-shot demanded 10000 Rubles.

They will ask you if you have been in that club before. Answer "yes, a few times" even if it is your first night there. You will avoid some bullshit. Russians like rules. Ask the girls for their rules.

It is important that you precisely define and agree the business wih the girl. A few things to think about: total time, how much times, anal yes/no (usually no for club girls), kissing.

The girls are seasoned businesswoman and will lie to you in every possible way, except on what you clearly agree with them. If the answer isn't clear, ask the question again until you get a clear answer. If they get irritated during the discussion, leave them alone.

BTW, avoid the club-taxis that cost 500 rubles!

A couple of general remarks:

- a phone conversation with an unmotivated girl, salon or other russian is trudna if your russian isn't very good. Get someone to help you, like a dobre taxist who knows his way around.

- show the girl who is the boss: a situation where you can demonstrate you dominance on a third person is useful, even if it is only shouting on your taxist. I pre-arranged that with the taxist, worked like a charm. If you don't pre-arrange, he will probably know what you are trying to do.

A few days ago I posted a message on the board about what to do, where to go and how much to spend in Moscow.

A few answers (thank you guys) and my enthousiasm was a little bit down.

From the feed backs I got I had 2 options: find a Tochka (it seemed dangerous, complicated, long, expensive for an unknown result.) or call a girl from internet or wherever and spend a lot of money (prices told were going from 200 to 1000 euros for the hour! ).

The Club hunting option was out of the picture as I was told to either speak russian (which I don't) or be so rich that negociation was not an option (which, again, I am not).

Had the feeling f. Ing was an expensive activity in Moscow. A felt I was a poor mongster.

Now I have a different idea and the feeling average mongster on this Russian forum is either so rich he doesn't care about 1000 euros for a shot or too lazy to go on the prawl!

Let me tell:

I spent four days at the Sputnik Hotel on Leninsky prospect (3 stars but renewed completly last year. 120 euros for the night).

On the first night I called maybe 80 of the girls on [url]http://www.rusdosug.com/[/url] and none of them was speaking a single word of English, only Russian. I got hanged up several times.

I called several call-girls agencies and none of them was able to send me a real picture of the girl before any meeting and of course I had the feeling they were all fake or photoshopped. Never mind, I ordered one beautiful girl dark black hair (a 8+ or 9), 178m and 60some kg, very nice no too big not too small tits, piercing in the belly. For 11pm and 300 usd the hour.

Finally at 1 15am a girl knocked on my door: blond, 160m max with a rating of 4 to 5). I said NO but had to pay 1500 rubbles for her taxi. Rippppp offffff!

Next day, I went out with a mongster friend of mine to eat in a small lebanese restaurant with a terrace on a park next to the hotel.

4 tables around only with russian local regaular non P4P or call-girl babes. Mens also After 15 minutes, we started to talk (in a mix of french/russian/english/german and hand language). After 30 minutes, drinks. After 40 minutes, 3 girls were seatting and eating at our table. Very good evening, no fuck but telephone number exchange and promise to see each other in 2 days.

Back to hotel, in the direction of the bar. 10 or 15 wg. 10 from 3 to 6. 5 from 6 to 8. Negociation started at 150 usd the hour. I ended up at 60 euros the hour with a gril called Svetlana! A 7, very nice body and face. I got her for 1 hour and half in the room, 2 shots, and she did in a very good and friendly way all I asked except anal. Slept like a baby after that.

Next night. Meeting with the 3 girls of the night before but they are only 2 (strange isn't it this type a female auto selection). Same place, same food, same drinks but happy ending. Catherina, a good 7, very sweet but passionnate, a good fuck but classical, in my hotel room until 12PM. Free of charge except the restaurant.

Next night. Back to the hotel bar. Lia. Chinese. Negociation for 60 euros, 1 hours. 3 times, fantastic experience: a real GFE, a great sucker, and a tight little sweet shaved pussy! I give a 7 to the girl and a 10 to the performance. She leaves my room after 1h45.

Yes. Russia is still the place. It just take a little luck, negociation, effort and more than just internet or big money!

Mongsters, in Russia, keep the faith and also save your money! Do not fall into lazzyness!

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I arrive tonight at Moscow. Some one give me a last minute advise for spend a 1 or 2 hours with some beutiful girls? Or a place/salon near my hotel (Marriot, Petrovka)

Thanks a lot

[QUOTE=Samsarai]On the first night I called maybe 80 of the girls on [url]http://www.rusdosug.com/[/url] and none of them was speaking a single word of English, only Russian. I got hanged up several times.[/QUOTE]I checked the number of English speaking girls on several web sites and came to the conclusion that about 1% (7 out of 700) advertise that they can speak English, so your observation comes close to my statistics.

[QUOTE=Lovedatslavicass]Perhaps one can answer me this: how valuable is a stolen American passport (with a tourist visa) to a Russian thief? I have a girl trying to get me to send her two 3x4 cm personal photos and a copy of my passport. She knows I already have a tourist visa, but she wants me to go to her in Kazan. She says it's necessary. I have my strong doubts. I've always heard to report immediately to your embassy if your passport is stolen? What can a thief in Russia do with it? Any experiences to relate? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Is she is buying a train ticket or plane ticket she needs to show ID to buy, it could be that, but personally i would just buy them when you are with her to make sure they are not being used for anything else, its a trust thing also ;o)

[QUOTE=Qjump]Is she is buying a train ticket or plane ticket she needs to show ID to buy, it could be that, but personally i would just buy them when you are with her to make sure they are not being used for anything else, its a trust thing also ;o)[/QUOTE]


Remember that Russian long distance train and air tickets can't be issued abroad (I mean outside the former CCCP) because of two main reasons:

a) they are in cyrillic... even the international airport codes! Some small airport in Russia have no IATA code, only I suppose ICAO one with four letters.

b) there is your passport number on your travel document and it will be screened with your passport when you get on the train or in the airport.

It's not possible to get a proper travel document (ticket) without the number, sometimes you can get a voucher from a big touristing agency and then change it to a proper ticket when you show up your passport....

IT

[QUOTE=Garden Gnome]I checked the number of English speaking girls on several web sites and came to the conclusion that about 1% (7 out of 700) advertise that they can speak English, so your observation comes close to my statistics.[/QUOTE]

In reality I think they are more... 2-3% and some heve some basic knowlege.

The most difficult thing is to get them to the right hotel and room in the right time. It helps with a Russian dictionary (with figured pronounce).

I'm always with non English speaking girls... mor fun and more naive! Sometimes the just do not want to speak but now I have my little "circuit" and have no problems at all even if my Russian is very basic.

IT

[QUOTE=It Travel]In reality I think they are more... 2-3% and some have some basic knowledge.[/QUOTE]The 1% I wrote about actually advertise that they can speak English, so I guess they have a more than a basic knowledge. I agree there is a lot more that have some basic knowledge, but not enough to negotiate or give directions. I agree about the other 97% :)

I guys,

I am fresh arrived in Moscow and I will like to know if somebody girls available in Klimaskina strett (Bielorusvaia and Ulisa Goda 1905)

I cannot use taxy and metro (no one word of Russian)

In case somebody have phone numbers of 'home service' girls (english speacing)

Thank you!

Here is a short update on prices at the Boar House.

I was there on Friday at about 11 and for once thought that I would hang out until very late to see what happens. Around 1 am or so it seems that the crowd of men changes to a slightly rougher bunch -- mostly speaking Russian only. Anyway, I ended up taking a couple of girls (against my better judgment) home at around 2:30. We stopped by to get some beer, went to the apartment and chatted for a while in broken English. No BBBJ but everything else was average. Now for the details:

1. If you go through the pedikot (underground pedestrian crossing) in front of the BH, the taxis are considerably cheaper on the other side of the road. Short trip is 100rubles, - I paid 200 rubles to get to the Tverskaya.

2. The girls at BH apparently pay 300 rubles if they leave without a client. and 1000 rubles if they leave with one. Dial this into your negotiation because they will ask you for it.

3. Entrance fee at the BH is 150 rubles. Between drinks and entrance be prepared to spend 1000 rubles or so.

4. Quality is variable obviously and you have a number of older girls. But if the next door type is what you like, this is a better place than NF.

5. I paid $300 all night for the two. 200 is the going rate. The standard opening is $300, and they come down to 200 almost immediately.

6. I was also told to beware of pickpockets at the BH by the girls.

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[QUOTE=Second Coming]Here is a short update on prices at the Boar House.

I was there on Friday at about 11 and for once thought that I would hang out until very late to see what happens. Around 1 am or so it seems that the crowd of men changes to a slightly rougher bunch -- mostly speaking Russian only. Anyway, I ended up taking a couple of girls (against my better judgment) home at around 2:30. We stopped by to get some beer, went to the apartment and chatted for a while in broken English. No BBBJ but everything else was average. Now for the details:

1. If you go through the pedikot (underground pedestrian crossing) in front of the BH, the taxis are considerably cheaper on the other side of the road. Short trip is 100rubles, - I paid 200 rubles to get to the Tverskaya.

2. The girls at BH apparently pay 300 rubles if they leave without a client. and 1000 rubles if they leave with one. Dial this into your negotiation because they will ask you for it.

3. Entrance fee at the BH is 150 rubles. Between drinks and entrance be prepared to spend 1000 rubles or so.

4. Quality is variable obviously and you have a number of older girls. But if the next door type is what you like, this is a better place than NF.

5. I paid $300 all night for the two. 200 is the going rate. The standard opening is $300, and they come down to 200 almost immediately.

6. I was also told to beware of pickpockets at the BH by the girls.

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Sorry but you mean theft from the girls?

Despite my long years in Moscow I never got there. One question do they have proper documents (So I can be safer by registering them at the hotel???).

Thanks

IT

PS. Trying to find new (for me) mongering solution for some petite young (beauty not so important) blondinka.

These reports are very depressing in terms of prices. But that is what I expeced. I tried to find a Czech girl calling places and got hung up on all the time. With prices as high as 300 EUR a night in Russia, you are better going somewhere else. I liked thr brothels in Prague becuse I can see them first and I paid 100 for an hour and a half. I don't need someone the whole night. I rather use my night to flirt and try to cop a feel and then finish off in a brothel. I also was able to walk around Prague all night by myself and not worry about being attacked. I could not do that in Russia. And if I really wanted a Russian girl, there are Russian brothels with the same prices where you can cum in their mouth and get uncovered blowjobs. But I am not into that. I am off to Montreal. Yes, the selection is less than Russia but there are 3 reliable escort agencies and the cost comes to 140 an hour for a Western European woman and the night clubs are opened all night. Maybe St. Petersburgh is better but Moscow looks very discouraging.

[QUOTE=It Travel]Sorry but you mean theft from the girls?

Despite my long years in Moscow I never got there. One question do they have proper documents (So I can be safer by registering them at the hotel???).

Thanks

IT

PS. Trying to find new (for me) mongering solution for some petite young (beauty not so important) blondinka.[/QUOTE]

IT:

Theft is always possible, but never happened to me. (Knock on wood).

As for proper documents, most BH girls have all docs. Years ago many of the girls were from other cities or other countries like Uzbekistan, Ukraine or Moldova. Those girls were GREAT.... but sometimes had document problems.

Since about 3-4 years now though, most girls are from Moscow. They can be also great... if you are lucky... but at least they all have proper documents.

2nd Coming:

Good first post!

Regarding the "security fee", you can also simply tell the girl that's her problem and not yours. I usually make them pay it.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]IT:

Theft is always possible, but never happened to me. (Knock on wood).

As for proper documents, most BH girls have all docs. Years ago many of the girls were from other cities or other countries like Uzbekistan, Ukraine or Moldova. Those girls were GREAT.... but sometimes had document problems.

Since about 3-4 years now though, most girls are from Moscow. They can be also great... if you are lucky... but at least they all have proper documents.

2nd Coming:

Good first post!

Regarding the "security fee", you can also simply tell the girl that's her problem and not yours. I usually make them pay it.[/QUOTE]

I'll soon get some suggestion for mongers, but this security pro... was something unattended.

A real master! ;)

IT

Let me just clarify. Early in the evening up to about 12:30, you generally have a healthy mix of expats and locals at the BH. It is later on in the evening that you get the rough crowd and need to be aware of the pickpockets These are the men -- not the girls. It has never happened to me.

You will find nearly everything from price ranges of 4.000 to 25.000 RUR a night... mostly around 6.000-12.000.

You might consider also [url]http://dosug.sextalk.ru[/url] and [url]http://rusdosug.com[/url] they share with [url]www.intimcity.ru[/url] approx 45%-50% of ads, but thre are different. Some time the photo is photoshopped, but only few time it's a real fake. Some pics are really big, so you see what you get!

Ìost girls do not speak English, just few words, but I'm not caring, with my basic Russian, some gestures we can make a full comprehension.
Take with itself Notebook... Come into a web --
Try these....they are some of the coolest ones :
[url]http://www.online-translator.com/srvurl.asp?lang=en[/url]
[url]http://www.systranbox.com/systran/box[/url]
[url]http://www.worldlingo.com/en/produc...translator.html[/url]

The comments you can find in these sites (in the site for [url]http://www.intimcity.ru[/url] and [url]http://sextalk.ru[/url] for the others) are very interesting. If you do not know Russian it's easy to use some on line translator. Surely the best and easiest search system are those on intimcity and [url]http://dosug.sextalk.ru[/url] .

In these years all girls most from [url]http://Intimcity.ru[/url] and went in some apartment of [url]http://dosug.sextalk.ru[/url] .. all was matching.

Successful sex by all!

Couple of my friends actually 4 guys are heading to Moscow on August 27. They will stay 7-8 days and looking apartment.

CAT left the business, Any recommendations??

[QUOTE=Big Bro AJ]Couple of my friends actually 4 guys are heading to Moscow on August 27. They will stay 7-8 days and looking apartment.

CAT left the business, Any recommendations??[/QUOTE]

[url]www.moscow-star.com[/url]

Run by Rick, who had his own apartment business and then also took over Ca_T's when he went back to Calli.

[url]www.apartmentres.com[/url]

Lots of apartments, some quite good. Make sure you check the size of the apartments... some look big on the pictures and are actually quite small... overall satisfactory service though.

[QUOTE=AlCaponeClub]You will find nearly everything from price ranges of 4.000 to 25.000 RUR a night... mostly around 6.000-12.000.

You might consider also [url]http://dosug.sextalk.ru[/url] and [url]http://rusdosug.com[/url] they share with [url]www.intimcity.ru[/url] approx 45%-50% of ads, but thre are different. Some time the photo is photoshopped, but only few time it's a real fake. Some pics are really big, so you see what you get!

Ìost girls do not speak English, just few words, but I'm not caring, with my basic Russian, some gestures we can make a full comprehension.
Take with itself Notebook... Come into a web --
Try these....they are some of the coolest ones :
[url]http://www.online-translator.com/srvurl.asp?lang=en[/url]
[url]http://www.systranbox.com/systran/box[/url]
[url]http://www.worldlingo.com/en/produc...translator.html[/url]

The comments you can find in these sites (in the site for [url]http://www.intimcity.ru[/url] and [url]http://sextalk.ru[/url] for the others) are very interesting. If you do not know Russian it's easy to use some on line translator. Surely the best and easiest search system are those on intimcity and [url]http://dosug.sextalk.ru[/url] .

In these years all girls most from [url]http://Intimcity.ru[/url] and went in some apartment of [url]http://dosug.sextalk.ru[/url] .. all was matching.

Successful sex by all![/QUOTE]


I completely agree with you... usually on Intimcity you can find what you need and even make searches by BBBJ for instance or anal sex...

One of the best thing are these big home made pics. Surely true (another thing if the girl is another...)! But sometimes you get also some real particular (and often cheap for Moscow) next door girl... I'll post here some link. Not beauties, but surely young pigs used to be treated as pigs. If you are a little bit nice you get a lot out of them!

a tall 20 y.o.
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons_img.php?path=Fotos/Persons_src/38511/6.jpg[/url]

a chubby...
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons_img.php?path=Fotos/Persons_src/43454/3.jpg[/url]

Anal petite
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons_img.php?path=Fotos/Persons_src/42465/4.jpg[/url]

needs bi hole work!
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons_img.php?path=Fotos/Persons_src/43893/2.jpg[/url]

middle aged in doggy
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons_img.php?path=Fotos/Persons_src/43958/4.jpg[/url]

nice teen (two years ago!)
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons_img.php?path=Fotos/Persons_src/39036/4.jpg[/url]

real petite (150)
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons_img.php?path=Fotos/Persons_src/37447/3.jpg[/url]

only massage (but I think you can cum between tits...)
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons_img.php?path=Fotos/Persons_src/39734/1.jpg[/url]

a 19teen just for 6.000 RUS/night
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons_img.php?path=Fotos/Persons_src/37021/3.jpg[/url]


The good thing with this home made pics, in respect of the professional made, is that quite often what you get is better... In the professional pics it's always worse....

these girls are usually still a little bit naive like
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons_img.php?path=Fotos/Persons_src/39036/4.jpg[/url]
already fucked and photographed... the report is in the Moscow photo section but do not remember where. by far some of the haredes tits ever found...

IT

[QUOTE=It Travel]I completely agree with you... usually on Intimcity you can find what you need and even make searches by BBBJ for instance or anal sex...

[/QUOTE]A real young one. Claims to be 18, looks like 18. No BBBJ or anal however...
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=43581[/url]

A skinny 22yo. Also for 6000/night
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=43026[/url]

160 kg (350 pounds)
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=39839[/url]

Nice for 8000 rubles
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=42834[/url]

Do they all only have one bed?
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=43628[/url]
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=43629[/url]
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=43630[/url]
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=43653[/url]

For titlovers
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=30374[/url]

Skinny, does it all, only 1500/hour and therefore fucked by all locals
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=29491[/url]

Hi,

Some observations on this monger loosing his Moscow Virginity. Also a defence of the present opportunity: while the good old times may have been about all-night 9s at depressed prices. For those of us not blessed to live in the land of under-dressed blondes, Russia is still a heaven. Moscow the accessible part of that. After a week in Kursk and weeks in Belgorod, Volgograd, Anapa, Maikop, Pjatigorsk, Kharkov, Vitebsk, and Minsk it is Moscow where you can make it happen (easily).

Straight to Safari having read it was a lap-dancing/take-out joint. Which it is. However for those of us that like to oggle at tall atheltic Slavic goddesses to warm-up the evening it was a little too raw and rushed. Yes its full of 7-8s (probably about 25 girls when I was there early), sadly though they wiggle not pole or lap dance as it should be. Still compared to Wanchai (HK) its real dancing, by beautiful girls. Success for me; for them it was a different matter as they all eagerly and relentlessly pursued the cash.

First blonde, "Are you interested in sex?". Its 21.30hrs and the viagra hasn't really yet kicked in. So, yes in a life-style manner; no as in right now. Not a problem as up she jumps on to my lap, pushes my head into her 36B tanned breasts and writhes away. So, Safari is more like a grind-bar that a lap-dance. As a good 8, maybe a 9, sex would have been what I wanted (for ever and ever), just too soon when you have come thousands of kilometres. And what's more, I hadn't even been able to order a drink! Later see the blonde dressed ready for a take-out. She was happy, I was a little miffed at the seemingly missed opportunity. Though mongering maybe a financial transaction most of the time I put my heart and a little emotion into it too.

And for those interested in pricing, I couldn't get a dance at 100Rbl. For those persistent and patient it may be possible. I, not having seen a naked Caucasian in a year lacked such skills as the red-mist of viagra-fuelled lust kicked in.

Go to the back room for a touch more privacy. Early seems to have them queue to come to relieve you of Rbls and any sexual inclination you have, for every girl started with a "Do you want...". Small talk was none. Fine as by now I was after one thing.

And when I saw Alona I knew I had found it. Tallish, c180 with a number of appropriate tattoos and piercings (arm, tummy, navel). The obligatory blondeness and (faked ?) tan. Sufficient English and a professional enough enthusiasm. Cash up front for 30mins then to a proper side-room; everyone can see who has finally got him to secumb. And I am happy for them to see me as this is my sort of dream girl.

Shower; on back; she works well with her hand to bring him up to full strength. Condom on with that sure sign of professionalism, the mouth. (You don't get that with your GFE!). On top, again indications of experience as she has the strength for some time to fuck me squatting. And just right too playing with the top of my dick. Oh la la that could make me come so into my repertoire: missionary, legs over shoulders, then from behind. Alona plays her part with enough enthusiasm and commitment to suggest some 'passion' not acting. But hey, I'm in my fantasyland so maybe I was imagining her pleasurable moans and involvement.

Sadly one of life's little crosses is exercise-induced asthma, so after a decent session of doggy - how I enjoy looking out over a tanned arse, strong long back with blonde locks falling onto it - out of breath. Alona, not fussed back onto cock in mouth (with condom). Fantastic technique of both hand and tongue, deep then shallow, alternating fast and slow. Talent. Real talent. Again more skill than GFE. Pop

Out onto the street and off to Night Flight.

Bizoh

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Hi,

Returning the favour of my own reconnaissance here on this forum, these are some clarifications for those using this board to scout out their own short time strikes in Moscow.

(Of course it was Friday the 13th in July so my miserable success should have been foretold!)

1) Rasputin is open 24hrs; striptease does not start until 17.00hrs

Not unreasonable but a bore when you've charged off there looking forward to watching blonde gyrations with the midday rations. Food is a pleasant surprise in huge portions of edible pub grub (even if the steak was over cooked); service though, perfunctory with an annoying demand for 10% tip at the end. W0uld be fine if they had deserved it.

2) There are no afternoon hookers in Cosmos

There are plenty of nooks and crannies in its Vegas style foyeur but to my eye no afternoon WGs.

1) Internet girls look like 9s, de facto 5s.

Your request is simple: tall, blonde. The US$200 price should have been the warning though. Can be there in 30mins, which positively it is. However having hurried through a steaming 30c Moscow is all sweaty and sticky as only fat girls can be. Blonde yes, tall no at about 150cm and looking as many kilos.

This was all recently stated in an excellent report so I should have be warned.

Anyway Svetlana proceeds into her routine. Her girth is such a blow to my preconceived fantasy and high expectations from Safari/NF before even the the drugs fail to provide any lift off. And is it just me or am I only the only one who finds the sight of his manhood encased in blackberry coloured and flavoured latex a huge turnoff? It looks like a bad case of gangrene not one's pride and joy. So, shoo her off with claims of tiredness: been a long flight (thinking of the inbound from HK) etc. Only to get into an argument that London (being English) is in Europe so its not that far.

INTERNET: don't do it.

As up since 05 to bed to rest for the evenings performance.

Bizoh

Hi,

A couple of tips then from my Friday.

1) Have a back-up plan

In the pelting rain of a summer thunderstorm it took over 30mins for the hotel to procure a cab. As bad as Singapore. While waiting I extracted a page of Gentleman's Clubs ads from a local events magazine. Useful as the driver failed to know where Dolls was (does it still exist then?) and stated another of my choices had a false address. Maybe just my Western script anyway he could read the magazine adverts, which is how in the tipping rain I ended up in

2) Mister X (12 Novy Arbat St)
[url]www.misterxxx.ru[/url]

Which I would recommend for someone looking for a low-key intimate striptease bar.

No hassles, some English spoken. Take out food was OK and the vodka tonic mixed to perfection. Surprisingly rare in this land of alcoholism, where ice still seems to be something that comes in October and not in your glass. Music was bit too slow for my pole-dancing taste, probably to pace the few girls, eight or so, until 06. Fair enough as they danced exquisitely to it.

Seventh heaven for myself watching elegant beauties seemingly defy gravity twisting upon the pole. With blonde hair cascading around it was worth the 10hr flight.

Fuelled by a couple of VTs was ready some private room action. Viktoria led the way; while having a Svetlana-bob (this is my term after my first such girlfriend with this shapeless horizontal fringe cut with a straight down parting matched with equal lengths alround; timeless Soviet-stylie) she had a Chinese character tattoo on her neck under the hairline, a navel stud and strong thighs from all that spinning. Perfect. And she could bump and grind on the privates in the private room to my endless delight.

At 1,500Rbls for a couple of songs I though this was good enough value. Well good enough to go through all dancers bar one. A very good English speaker who wanted to talk about her recent engagement at London's Stringfellows. As this was I scene I left seven years ago after spending far too much on Cristal for a budding Page3 starlet it was not something I really wanted to be reminded of.

To my surprise the non-smiling Valerie eventually came for a chat with her, as good as it goes, strip-bar English. We chatted away establishing a connection that would have been promising to develop if days were available. As her real 38C breasts were really rather nice, even for a leg-man, it was time to get back into that private room. By the end of dance one she had removed her knickers and I was just thumbing her clit when the song, and thus session finished. She asked for another which was what we both wanted. On with the thumb as she straddled me, sucking on her browned breasts whilst squeezing a gorgeous arse with the spare hand. Who says men can't multi-task. Looking for another angle removed the thumb, only for her to push back onto it much harder than before, almost with her whole body, faster goes the thumb then the jerks accompanied by some soft moaning in my ear, as she thrusts hard onto it with a neat little orgasm.

If I was in a bar telling you how I brought off a stripper in a private room I wouldn't think you would believe me. So, you probably don't here either. I didn't at the time only when back on the banquette, as she cuddles up to me in the warmth of her climax, she described how she had 'finished' (that depressing Russian description) with me, and from me so, a big 'thank you, [my real name here]!'.

Uncle Percy wasn't thanking her though as he struggled against the denim. Poor boy needed some relief - fast.

3) Night Flight - get there early at the week-ends
Probably obvious yet, when you get there at 01.30 desperate for some tall, blonde action and there ain't any, its painful, physically painful, and way too late to remember the obvious.

4) Safari Lodge - not only get there early too but check your erotic dancer is prepared to go all the way to penetration before getting just a bit too erotic.
Otherwise it is like being stopped as a teenager at a school dance by a virgin who's not giving it away today.

Olga, blonde-white, 180ish, lithe with egg -shaped titties but endless brown legs topped in white knee-length PVC boots, was the stunning dancer who again had me a full-strength gasping for the real thing. Not on the menu dear boy. Forlorn back in the pole room Lena saw my plight immediately offering me full on sex. No Olga (so a 6 plays an 8) but a decent enough body, obligatory blondeness and good English (her university major). Messed her routine when threw her on her back to give her head which I think she enjoyed by the extent and taste of her juices. Legs at 180degrees for the missionary was a mental video I look forward to replaying endlessly in dull meetings ahead. CBJ till close to coming then off with the johnny.

Luck noticeably improved as we moved out of the umbrea of Friday 13th. Hopefully then, the gods will smile throughout Saturday 14th, my last day in Russia for another year.

Bizoh

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I checked out NF between 10:30 and 11:30 on Friday after the pelting rain had abated somewhat. My conclusion is that it is rapidly going downhill. The crowd was primarily Japanese businessmen this early. The number of girls was not up to the usual number, but the prices seem to have standardized. They start at $500 and come to $400 in no time at all. From Bizoh's report, it does not seem that things improved much later on. After looking around, I proceeded to my usual haunt BH and I would say that the best 10% of the ones there were about NF quality - at least they seemed so in the poor light. Anyway, $200 for BH quality beats $400 for NF most days.

Bizoh

To dismiss all Internet girls as horrible is both inaccurate and a mistake.

Sure you will on a rare occasion have something very different than what you ordered show up at the door. Simple solution: send her away with no activity and no pay. You can easily tell before she gets her clothes off. Bait and switch is unacceptable as is fat and original.

I have done a couple of dozen Internet sessions in Moscow and Piter and only had one bad one. More than a few were great experiences.

No matter what the source whether Tochka, club, salon or the Internet its always the luck of the draw. A few will be superb, some mediocre and a small percentage will suck.

As a newbie I picked up a tochka girl one night that Doc Skank had done and had a great experience then posted pics. My experience, the ***** gets in bed and promptly goes to sleep after pegging me for a tourist.

You are right on about the Safari lounge not all the dancers are available for sex. But still a great place to play. Depends on the night and who is working, some of the cutest dancers will do trips to the back rooms for sex. When you find one you like get her ph # for sessions in your apartment.

Another option is to call a salon and tell them to send over some meat. Then choose the piece you like.

Guido88

[QUOTE=Guido88]
I have done a couple of dozen Internet sessions in Moscow and Piter and only had one bad one. More than a few were great experiences.

No matter what the source whether Tochka, club, salon or the Internet its always the luck of the draw. A few will be superb, some mediocre and a small percentage will suck.

As a newbie I picked up a tochka girl one night that Doc Skank had done and had a great experience then posted pics. My experience, the ***** gets in bed and promptly goes to sleep after pegging me for a tourist.
[/QUOTE]

Internet can be a good source as Guido says, it's a definite option to look into.

BTW Guido88, which chick are you talking about? :)

[QUOTE=Garden Gnome]A skinny 22yo. Also for 6000/night
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=43026[/url]

160 kg (350 pounds)
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=39839[/url]

Nice for 8000 rubles
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=42834[/url]

Do they all only have one bed?
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=43628[/url]
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=43629[/url]
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=43630[/url]
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=43653[/url]

For titlovers
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=30374[/url]

Skinny, does it all, only 1500/hour and therefore fucked by all locals
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=29491[/url][/QUOTE]


Some of these are not really home made like the last.. a lot of photo shopping, perhaps due to the streches (of a child birth) problem...

By the way they have the same bed because it's surely a little private apartmente brothel, like in old times, a very interesting and nice option... just go there and try a couple of girls for an hour, and then take out the best for the night... :D

IT

Hey Doc,

Do not recall the girl’s name, its been 3 years and more than a couple of girls ago.

For me the lazy girl was not a memorable experience. More like a lesson in how not to be a too nice westerner. I should have gotten the KY out immediately instead of waiting till morning as I did.

Guido88

Hi

Doctor_Skank - wouldn't disagree that the Internet can be a source... :)

Guido88 - yes perhaps I put my point too bluntly being hot an bothered after trawling fustratedly, around a humid Moscow. I forget to add in the source and the girl:

Svetlana at [url]http://www.sweet-dreams.ru/[/url] doesn't look like the pictures there under that name. Or specifically, the Svetlana I got did not look like this 9 but was a 5, so perhaps there are multiple Svetlana's at that site given its a common name!

Who knows, but for me it was a poor experience that others here have warned against (Golfplayer, 30.06.07) and so should have the price been. Caveat emptor.

Bizoh

Been a lot of discussion lately regarding escort sites and mongers having less than desirable results using them. No doubt some of the sites use bait and switch, scams and are less than reliable.

Moscow is not an easy town for the 1st time visitor monger even with the info on these boards. Golfplayer’s recent experiences would be a good example.

Those of us that have spent a little time there tend to forget the challenges of being a newbie in the big city. The majority of what I have learned has been from fellow mongers who were kind enough to share drinks, debauchery and lust for prime flesh.

Couple of suggestions for the 1st timers;

Post on ISG and ask if anyone else is in town. Get together for a beer and compare notes or go out on the town. Moscow with a wingman that knows makes the city much more user friendly and pussy oriented. Plus I have made some lifelong friends from mongers I have met.

Go to the Boarhouse and talk with some of the expats living in Moscow. They will tell you which websites are reliable for escort outcall and who is not. My favorite escort site recommendation came from a Texas expat working in the oil industry.

Salons are a great option for better pricing and cute girls. Many will speak no English, for me talking is secondary.

Study this board well, there is quite a bit of good info on this board.

Have patience; most everything can be difficult at times in Russia. Its part of the local charm and flavor.

Guido88

I just noticed that the Marco Polo hotel is also on Tverskaya.
Does anyone have any info on this hotel?
Any problems being girl in ??
Is it a nice hotel?

I tried to make a "search" for Marco Polo in the Moscow forum but got "zero".
I wish there was a separate section for Hotels in Moscow in the Forum, similar to the BKK forum which helped me.

[QUOTE=Firebird]I just noticed that the Marco Polo hotel is also on Tverskaya.
Does anyone have any info on this hotel?
Any problems being girl in ??
Is it a nice hotel?

I tried to make a "search" for Marco Polo in the Moscow forum but got "zero".
I wish there was a separate section for Hotels in Moscow in the Forum, similar to the BKK forum which helped me.[/QUOTE]


You can find Marco Polo Hotel at: [url]http://www.presnja.ru/[/url] because the complete name is…Marco Polo Presnja Hotel… unfortunately Marco Polo (the Italian Traveller… sorry for this :D) was never in Moscow…

I have no idea how girl friendly it is…. It is not in the direct centre… if you like such hotels, take a suite at Sovietsky (they do not care if you take your girl friend or a feminine soccer team in your room! :) :) )

IT

Guys,

I'm a new expat in Moscow for 3 years and I will try to help you as much as I can.

First temptation for a newbie in Moscow is to take the advertisement in the free Moscow times, and call. You will have an answer in English for sure and 24/24. I did it twice, first experience was absolutely wonderful with a 20 YO brunette with a body to die. Great attitude even if she spoke no English.

Second experience was so-so, the girl arrived with more than one hour delay, she was a blond girl face 6 and breast 1 only, maybe the worst breast I have ever seen in my life.

So for you guys who stays only one or few nights, and if budget is not a problem (150 euros one hour), then I would recommend this choice.

Other alternative solution is the massage saloon. I’ve tried two of them and the experience was great, though no oral or sex is available on the menu (or maybe if you pay more I didn’t ask).

First possibility for you is one located Metro Smolenskaya – city center. Phone number is 89032206330 or 89191003467.

The address is House number 6, PR. Shlomina, apartment 28 (“vquartira”) floor 2. What you need to find is a map of Moscow.

From the metro take the street smolensky, then turn of your left in a street called Protochnyy pereulok. Then turn left again in a street called smolensky pereulok, then turn left it is the street you are looking for. There is a simplest way to go, but I get lost the first time so follow my indications.

You will arrived at the house number 6, and then you have to go in a small tunnel, the entrance of the house is the first door on your right when you passed the small tunnel. Interphone is number 28, like the apartment, they will open without asking anything.

It costs 1300 roubles ( 40 euros) for a one hour massage. The girl was very friendly, face 7, body 7. Nice attitude, she is not supposed to meet many foreigner I guess. First 30 minutes of the massage is a real and professional massage, very good one…. And then, she starts to use her breast, until you finish with a handjob between her breast. The whole experience was great believe me, I will return.
I didn’t choose the girl, but here you are in the land of the most beautiful women on earth so I guess it’s not so important.

You can choose a 2 hours massage, an anal / prostate massage or massage with a dildo if you like, it’s 1300 roubles more.

The lady on the phone spoke some very basic English. Call and just say “massage mojna citchas” which mean Can I have a massage right now? Try to understand da or niet, and if you don’t understand say again “Mojna” (can I) and she will answer da mojna (yes you can) / mojna niet or nielsa (not yet).

Then ask for the address (to show that you want to come!) and that’s it.

Second massage I tried was in the Eromassage, phone number is 7443468, they got a website [url]http://www.eromassage.ru/[/url] where you can see the models, real picture.

I had the chance to tried Marina, the blond Ukrainian girl with the blue skirt, body 8 face 6 or 7, very nice attitude too. I couldn’t choose the lady, but one more time here I don’t car at all.

This massage is cheaper that the first one and 1 hour is 1000 roubles only (30 euros). They don’t speak English at all, so here is how to go there, as it is a little bit outside the center of Moscow. Take the metro line 4 to station Kutuzovskaya. Pay attention as this line 4 is divided in two lines, and you must take a metro that goes to Krylatskoe, not to Mezhdunarodnaya.

It’s very closed to the station, located 35 Kutuzovskiy Prospect. This is a the corner of two big avenues, impossible to miss it. When at the corner you will see a big bank, look for the tunnel right after, and then you are in a kids garden. The apartment is the number 239, which is the entrance 17 (you’ll see the figures at the top of each doors). Dial the 239 and they will open the door, it’s on the ground floor.

The problem with them is that I called a sunday at lunch time and was able to get a massage only at 5. Or they are busy, or they are few ladies only working the sunday on a hot summer day. You also need to call again one hour before the meeting to confirm. All in all without any survival Russian language I’m afraid it will be tricky for you guys. You can still just show up or say one more time “massage mojna citchas” , the mady knows the numbers in English so if she says “citchas niet” propose to her in English other hours…

The lady asked “massage, sex no?” so I’m wondering if there is a possibility for sex here, I think yes. You have to pay more for sure.

If you want 2 hours, or anal / prostate massage or dildo (says strapon, it is the same word they will understand) it is 1000 roubles more.

The experience was good though there was no massage at all, it was directly an erotic massage with her body, but it was really really hot, believe me. I think for 1000 roubles (30 euros) I will go every week, as the hand job was really perfect… and I love the breast of marina, just amazing. And natural.

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[QUOTE=It Travel]You can find Marco Polo Hotel at: [url]http://www.presnja.ru/[/url] because the complete name is…Marco Polo Presnja Hotel… unfortunately Marco Polo (the Italian Traveller… sorry for this :D) was never in Moscow…

I have no idea how girl friendly it is…. It is not in the direct centre… if you like such hotels, take a suite at Sovietsky (they do not care if you take your girl friend or a feminine soccer team in your room! :) :) )

IT[/QUOTE]

Marco Polo is OK. The biggest thing you have to do is to confirm to recertionist that you are expecting a guest (if the girl comes to you alone). If you enter together, noone cares. At least it was so couple of month ago.
It's quite a nice, cosy and well-located hotel, not a huge one, but very decent. There is a small bar downstairs, usually empty, just to drink on a good furniture before sleep.

Offtop. Guys, I recently was in our new Ritz. It's owesome. All go there =), hightly recommend.

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]
Offtop. Guys, I recently was in our new Ritz. It's owesome. All go there =), hightly recommend.[/QUOTE]

At $1000/night, it better be awesome.. :)

Until the end of August, they have a "summer special" for the low low price of $500 a night, so early birds go for it.

Guys, don't tell the girls you are staying at the Ritz Carlton, if they hear that, they'll double their prices.. :)

May someone tell me where I can find a "cheap" apartment (60-80 euros per night) for 3 weeks?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Toptraveler1]May someone tell me where I can find a "cheap" apartment (60-80 euros per night) for 3 weeks?

Thanks[/QUOTE]
Try Murmansk. Or Chelyabinsk.
Good luck!

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]Marco Polo is OK. The biggest thing you have to do is to confirm to recertionist that you are expecting a guest (if the girl comes to you alone). If you enter together, noone cares. At least it was so couple of month ago.
It's quite a nice, cosy and well-located hotel, not a huge one, but very decent. There is a small bar downstairs, usually empty, just to drink on a good furniture before sleep.

Offtop. Guys, I recently was in our new Ritz. It's owesome. All go there =), hightly recommend.[/QUOTE]

On the old Intourist site.... a lot of reportage on the Italian TV on ground they have a breakfast that seems beeing the most expensive in the worls (I do not mean normal ones!) with Ikra etc etc for 530€!!!

But for 1.000 a night... I think I can go in a nice dacha two hours flight from Moscow withh two 18teen included!

Really to much. Good for Russians only...

IT


PS By the way an apartment for 60 €... you get one in Kiev (I mean a really nice, hitorical building, centre one) for the double, what should it cost in Moscow 300?

[quote=helena moscow]marco polo is ok. the biggest thing you have to do is to confirm to recertionist that you are expecting a guest (if the girl comes to you alone). if you enter together, noone cares. at least it was so couple of month ago.
it's quite a nice, cosy and well-located hotel, not a huge one, but very decent. there is a small bar downstairs, usually empty, just to drink on a good furniture before sleep.

offtop. guys, i recently was in our new ritz. it's owesome. all go there =), hightly recommend.[/quote]

so, youre back with more promoting for the escort sceene and try to fool us spending our money on expensive bullshit! its clear that youre only mission here is to separate us from our money so they can flow into the pockets of the businesses you represent. like the horny idiots you think we are. you are without doubt paid for this by the hotels and larger escort establishments!

a while back you discussed and tried hard to feel us ashamed for hunting free girls. trying to tell us its really bad and that we should be ashamed of what we do. that we are abusing the girls because they are all honest and want serious mariage. reading between the lines your essence is that we are ugly pathetic individuals and the only fair way for us is to pay high prices for sex from escorts. you even tried to make us believe that russian girls today want only beautiful men as toyboys and that they are not interested in normal decent men like many of us here are. plan from your side is to speak to our moral that we are doing a bad thing and that we are not wanted by the normal girls and we destroy their innocent lives. we should quit this and pay!

i posted on morality issues before that we should treat girls in a good way. that is what i firmly believe in and will fight for in the future as well. but we shall never ever surender to your bullshit propaganda and misleading information!

i gave you comments some time ago for similar stuff and thank lord you shut up with this promotion for a while.

i find it totally amazing that youre even allowed to post here!

secondly i find it amazing that so many of our hunters here, even experienced ones, fall for your cheap tricks.

believe me if i was a moderator here you would have gotten the big boot on permanent basis faster than the speed of light!

you are doing pure forum sabotage in the most evil way!

pick this up if you dare helena!! you know what you are doing!

felix - a normal hunter

[quote=felix nordic]
believe me if i was a moderator here you would have gotten the big boot on permanent basis faster than the speed of light![/quote]
so i'm pleased you're not a moderator, because i do enjoy helena's posts a lot and hope she'll continue to post. ;)

jim

ps: i'm not sure which forum rule helena has broken, but at least i'm sure she hasn't broken this one: "[i][b]no flaming[/b]: please do not post any messages that harrass, insult, belittle, threaten or flame another member.[/i] " :d

[QUOTE=GandJim]So I'm pleased you're not a moderator, because I do enjoy Helena's posts a lot and hope she'll continue to post. ;)

Jim

PS: I'm not sure which forum rule Helena has broken, but at least I'm sure she hasn't broken this one: "[i][b]No Flaming[/b]: Please do not post any messages that harrass, insult, belittle, threaten or flame another member.[/i] " :D[/QUOTE]

You speak for what you believe in and so do I! Im sad Im not a Moderator because then you would not have been enjoying innocent and helpful Elenas posts anymore;)

If you cant see the damage she is trying to do here I dont know what I can tell you! To me its obvious! I dont know why you enjoy a higher priced market? Maybe you can afford, I cant! Im a Normal income hunter, sorry!

I guess we all have our bizzare fetishes GandJim. Some likes low prices and correct info and some like to spend their dough on the uphil climbing market! ;)

Cheers,
Felix

Felix
I agree with you. Helena is high class call girl period. We are hunters and she is the prey - let's keep it that way !

Felix,


Helena seems to have struck a raw nerve with you. Why……

She speaks from both a female and hookers viewpoint. Not a surprise her opinions are different than ours.

Her pitch is simple marketing. If you do not like the product, buy something or someone else. It is our job as clients to find the best value for our money. No reason to be offended by someone offering a higher than normal price.

None of the experienced mongers are falling for her game nor will they pay her prices. We all know there is a plethora of prime female flesh to be had for much much less.

Men are a bunch of Horny Idiots. Marriage would be a great example. Mongers just take it to an extreme level to search out and satisfy that lust.

It is a woman’s job in any country to separate a man from his money. They practice this from childhood, some becoming both skilled and rich in the process.

Although I don’t see why Helana posts, so what. She is polite and offers her viewpoint.

My preference is the tightest cute hard body I can find at the best price. Others do not have a problem paying $1,000 a night. Personal choice.

Time for a beer and a blowjob

Guido88

I go to Moscow 6 to 8 times a year and avail myself of all the options, and have visited with Helena as well. My opinion is that if you want an intelligent evening followed by the usual, Helena is one of the best options available. No muss, no fuss. Her prices are what they are but they are not outlandish compared to everything else in Moscow - and for some it is value for the money. Now, on the other hand, if you want a hot 18 yo, go with other options.

The info she provides on this forum is useful - more than a lot of other gibberish - and no one should fault her for low key marketing on this board. As for me, someone pays for me to go to Moscow 8 times a year and a daily rate - I sell my time too!

[QUOTE=Felix Nordic]So, youre back with more promoting for the escort sceene and try to fool us spending our money on expensive bullshit! Its clear that youre only mission here is to separate us from our money so they can flow into the pockets of the businesses you represent. Like the horny idiots you think we are. You are without doubt paid for this by the hotels and larger escort establishments!
[/QUOTE]I have never met Helena, however, I have read her many intelligent comments in this forum. I think she is right in most things she write, and it is refreshing to see some points of view from her side. I also agree with her that playing with some serious girls that only want marriage - if you give them any impression that this is what you are after too - is really nasty. I strongly refute everything what was written by Felix Nordic - I don't want to end up in an endless discussion - but this time I disagree so much that I wanted to tell my opinion.

[QUOTE=Second Coming]I go to Moscow 6 to 8 times a year and avail myself of all the options, and have visited with Helena as well. My opinion is that if you want an intelligent evening followed by the usual, Helena is one of the best options available. No muss, no fuss. Her prices are what they are but they are not outlandish compared to everything else in Moscow - and for some it is value for the money. Now, on the other hand, if you want a hot 18 yo, go with other options.

The info she provides on this forum is useful - more than a lot of other gibberish - and no one should fault her for low key marketing on this board. As for me, someone pays for me to go to Moscow 8 times a year and a daily rate - I sell my time too![/QUOTE]

Seems like you missed my points and you really amaze me! Go spend your money as you wish but dont claim that Helena is spreading any useful info here. If you have a payed show called an intelligent discussion with a hooker thats fine with me of course. We all pay for what we like. I dont have to pay a free girl to have a nice conversations so to speak. No harm meant, and she might be very nice as escort face to face or in bed. Im not talking about that, its about her posts and actions here. Helenas valuable forum info is all paid promotion to fool us so the business she represent can get more profit. I have not read anything usefull she has posted. Do you like the promotion for higher prices and her tricks and fairy tales? I dont...

Guido; I dont think you got my message. Im not talking about what she does between the sheets as an escort. Scroll back a bit and read her old discussions like when she tried to convince us pro girl have a much harder work than in a factory and they cant keep any money because they have to spend it all on clothes and make up. Or when she tried to convince us how bad we are just because we hunt free girls with charm and a few drinks. Read between the lines and her promotion is clear and obvious. She is a professional beacon of misleading information. Obviously she definetely does not give us any personal information but rather what the escort sceene wants us to believe in so they make better profits. I hope youre right about that no experienced hunters get fooled by her comments. However what good does she do here then? And for sure I have seen experienced names here seemingly falling for her rubbish! I just hope Im wrong. Dont forget that here are a lot of new guys lurking around that might believe in the misinformation she posts.

If she want to put adds for her own services thats just fine. But then she should do that in the correct section.

I dont have any problems with a pro girl posting honest opinions about her life or good inside views and opions from their side. On the contrary that good to read. Unfortunately Helena does not provide that.
This is forum is for us to share info to make it into a better hunting world for the most of us. Guido; Do you think her posts are trustworthy?

Im really surprised by the amount of defence you guys give Helena. I dont know what to say. It just amazes me.

Trying to make this into a better forum but obviously that is not what the forum members want. What can I do??

Felix

[QUOTE=Felix Nordic]
Trying to make this into a better forum but obviously that is not what the forum members want. [b]What can I do??[/b]
[/QUOTE]
Maybe just follow the forum rules: "[i][b]No Flaming[/b]: Please do not post any messages that harrass, insult, belittle, threaten or flame another member. [/i]" That for sure would make this forum a better one. :)

Thanks anyway Felix for giving me a good laugh. Wishing to be a moderator and breaking the forum rule in the same post, you must have some sense of humour to do that.

Jim

[QUOTE=GandJim]Maybe just follow the forum rules: "[i][b]No Flaming[/b]: Please do not post any messages that harrass, insult, belittle, threaten or flame another member. [/i]" That for sure would make this forum a better one. :)

Thanks anyway Felix for giving me a good laugh. Wishing to be a moderator and breaking the forum rule in the same post, you must have some sense of humour to do that.

Jim[/QUOTE]

Jim; If you refer to my valid critizism of Helena postings, and one of your pleasures in life, as flaming I think you need to re-read or get new defintions.

Maybe you have not understod that I have not accused her of braking the forum rules in the first place? I talk about the essence of her posts and what is helping our forum. Misinformation to make a future with higher prices wont do that IMHO;)

Always nice to give you a laugh:)

I hope to do it again soon!

Cheers,
Felix

I'm going to Moscow for two weeks on a job.

As a newbie in Russia what are my best choices for a great nightlife?

I do spend a lot of time in Pattaya, Thailand.

Felix,

I get your message clearly. Somehow you believe that Helena herself will transform the Moscow flesh market into high unreasonable high priced entity or she is part of a multinational international plot to get your money.

The bad news is it’s already occurred. The culprits being oil revenue to the tune of an estimated $380,000 per second and Russia being one of the fastest growing economies in the world.

Bottom line is buyer beware. Those of us that are thrifty will shop for best value for the moist spot. Those that have not done their research may overpay.

Have met many mongers from this board and others and ALL value their money and will not overpay. Newbies beware and do some research.

As to opinions Helena is entitled to hers. Other opinions are always interesting, if we are not careful we may learn something.

The challenge for Helena may be making the top dollar in 10 years. As CT has repeatedly said “ Russian women age in dog years” perhaps she will take the American approach marrying some sucker and take him to the cleaners.

All in all it does not matter. We agree the Russian women are awesome and that we want to get the best value for our dollar.

Sadly costs have roughly doubled in the last couple of years, still for quality and attitude Russian pie offers the best slices available.

Looking forward to my next Piter/Moscow excursion. In the future moving onto areas not so well traveled and costly.

Guido88

[QUOTE=Explorer69]I have never met Helena, however, I have read her many intelligent comments in this forum. I think she is right in most things she write, and it is refreshing to see some points of view from her side. I also agree with her that playing with some serious girls that only want marriage - if you give them any impression that this is what you are after too - is really nasty. I strongly refute everything what was written by Felix Nordic - I don't want to end up in an endless discussion - but this time I disagree so much that I wanted to tell my opinion.[/QUOTE]

You go on believing in the fairy tales if that makes you happy, thats fine with me. I live in the real world. Helena is smart. So smart she even fools you?
I never tell any freebie girls that I want to marry her. I dont get kicks of fooling people. I just simply tell I want a nice girlfriend or too invite her for dinner because she is nice. You might have seen a few posts by me wanting us to treat the girls in a good way?

I wont try to convince you since Im tired of trowing rubber balls at brick walls.

You can lead a horse to the water hole but you cant force it to drink.

Cheers,
Felix

Greetings all. I arrive in Moscow from the US for one year at the end of August for work. If any of you experienced Moscow mongers have the inclination, I'the love some advice on getting started mongering in the city. I know I'll hit the club scene (Nightflight, etc.), but should I focus more on freebies, etc? My company sets me up in an apartment in the city centre, so I'll have great location. Also, anyone up for showing me the ropes via the club scene? Drinks are on me.

As there's a debate about Helena's posts, I took my courage in hands to read all her posts....to sum up you definitely need courage and good dose of seriousness for not laughing to all her bullshits.

What she said isn't different from what I heard from hookers around the world.

I was amazed that a lot of "certified" mongers gave her credit...fortunately there's at least 1 which the sense and sight are clearer and sharper than other mongers....keep up the good job FELIX.

Eros

Felix "I never tell any freebie girls that I want to marry her. I dont get kicks of fooling people. I just simply tell I want a nice girlfriend or too invite her for dinner because she is nice. You might have seen a few posts by me wanting us to treat the girls in a good way?"
I totally agree. I love these women. Besides, if i treat them well they treat me well. These women are angels in my book. And i love being in heaven with them. Even if there trying to rip me off i don't argue, i get a far better response through humour. Keep it up Felix

I'd like to know where we dance Salsa in Moscow and what is the basis price in NF, in Moscow?

Thanks

For clubs -- the site [url]www.exile.ru[/url] had good information. This link is quite reliable

[url]http://www.exile.ru/2007-July-27/bardak_calendar.html[/url]

NF prices: They start at $500 or 500 euros if you are new there. They will go down to 400 within 3 or 4 minutes, and to 300 shortly thereafter in most cases unless there are too many males in the club.

Do not take the taxis outside NF -- they will be a minimum of 500 rubles -- walk about 50 yards towards the Kremlin and you can flag a cab down for 200.

[QUOTE=Second Coming]NF prices: They start at $500 or 500 euros if you are new there. They will go down to 400 within 3 or 4 minutes, and to 300 shortly thereafter in most cases unless there are too many males in the club.
[/QUOTE]

In February, the male-to-female ratio was 1-10 in NF. A friend of mine negotiated down to $100/night (he's good looking), and I got $100/hr. It all depends on your negotiating skills and the # of guys in NF. It's a must see place if you're in Moscow for the first time, but I wouldn't go twice there.

Kosmos

[QUOTE=Big Bro AJ]Couple of my friends actually 4 guys are heading to Moscow on August 27. They will stay 7-8 days and looking apartment.

CAT left the business, Any recommendations??[/QUOTE]

[url]www.moscow-star.com[/url]

I used Moscow Rick before, who has his own apartment business.


[url]http://kirnat.ru/[/url]

I have also used Kirnat before. Both provided me with good apartments!

Sauce

Were is NF located exactly?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Toptraveler1]Were is NF located exactly?

Thanks[/QUOTE]

Seems strange to ask this qwestion.

Night Flight is on Tverskaya ul. If you have the Red Square on your back it's approx. 800 meters from the Red Square, at the left, the same side of the National, the New Ritz Carlton and the central Post Office.


The adress is Tverskaya 17...

But you can see a good ennglish way to get there at (where you can even print a map!)
[url]http://www.nightflight.ru/en/information/how_to_get_here/?sid=fe7c27af982d80a0d19e1774e8a5f2e0[/url]

IT

[QUOTE=Lovedatslavicass]Perhaps one can answer me this: how valuable is a stolen American passport (with a tourist visa) to a Russian thief? I have a girl trying to get me to send her two 3x4 cm personal photos and a copy of my passport. She knows I already have a tourist visa, but she wants me to go to her in Kazan. She says it's necessary. I have my strong doubts. I've always heard to report immediately to your embassy if your passport is stolen? What can a thief in Russia do with it? Any experiences to relate? Thanks.[/QUOTE]The last question is relatively easy: they can sell it. Even Belarusian passports went for $50-$100 in Minsk back in 2000 when I was there, and I guess they can make more money on the American ones. Passports are then used to open fake companies, do all kinds of illegal transactions, possibly to commit identity theft ... there many options.

However, the girl's request is probably genuine. First of all, she is only asking you for a copy, presumably of the photo/data pages, which may be valuable to some extent but much less so. Secondly, there are, to my knowledge, three cities in Russia that now require special permission for foreigners (note: this information is up to date and different from the olden days when you had to have each city listed on your visa), at least if they come by plane. Kazan' is one of them (if I remember correctly, Nizhnyi Novgorod is another). Don't ask me why: the ways of Russian bureaucracy are mysterious.

Are you Italian?

I am new in town.

I need some 'hot' address.

Ciao

[QUOTE=It Travel]Seems strange to ask this qwestion.

Night Flight is on Tverskaya ul. If you have the Red Square on your back it's approx. 800 meters from the Red Square, at the left, the same side of the National, the New Ritz Carlton and the central Post Office.

The adress is Tverskaya 17.

But you can see a good ennglish way to get there at (where you can even print a map!)
[url]http://www.nightflight.ru/en/information/how_to_get_here/?sid=fe7c27af982d80a0d19e1774e8a5f2e0[/url]

IT[/QUOTE]

Hi all,

Guys I've been to Moscow mongering in the past and had a great time. Last year I tried the German FKKs. Good but I miss the buzz of the tocha line up !

Question:

Whats the current situation, tochas still good, price range, currency etc?
I have trawld recent posts but they seem to be primarily relating to freebies and clubs etc.

Thanks all

DT

Hey, me Xiao Ma from Malaysia, will be working in Moscow soon....

few question

1. Is there a change for Asian Chinese man to made some girl friend over there?
2. does most Russian girls speak English or communicate well in English?

Xiaoma

Looking for some general information for Moscow on:

- best place to change money?
- can I purchase calling cards or rent a mobile phone?
- Can one purchase a daily Metro Ticket or are weekly
tickets for the Metro also available as in Prague?
- are the Metro Station signs in Moscow only in Russian or
are they also in English?

I made several searches in the forum but was not able to come up with this general info
Thanks - firebird

[QUOTE=Firebird]Looking for some general information for Moscow on:

- best place to change money?
- can I purchase calling cards or rent a mobile phone?
- Can one purchase a daily Metro Ticket or are weekly
tickets for the Metro also available as in Prague?
- are the Metro Station signs in Moscow only in Russian or
are they also in English?

I made several searches in the forum but was not able to come up with this general info
Thanks - firebird[/QUOTE]

Hi, exchange rates are not too different within the town. The difference between the highest and the lowest rate is hardly 50 rubles per 100$. Choose the nearest office. If you see several within walking distance compare the rates. There is usually no commision for exchange. In Tverskaya near "Zara" shop there is exchange office with a machine (100meters in the direction outside the center, same side of the road). In a machine rate is usually better. But don't go there on purpose, transport will cost more, this is just the hint in case you happen to walk around.

Calling cards are sold everywhere, you just need a passport and about 10-15$ to buy one.

Metro tickets are available on each metro station. Tickets can be for one trip, for 2, for 5, 10, month, 3 months. Depends how much you plan to move. I like 10 trips tickets - not too long, a bit cheaper than if you buy each time one ticket, plus no need to wait in a line of people many times. It must be used within 30 days.

I saw signs in English, but not everywhere.

Helena, thanks for your detailed and fast reply. Information you provided helps- firebird

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]Hi, exchange rates are not too different within the town. The difference between the highest and the lowest rate is hardly 50 rubles per 100$. Choose the nearest office. If you see several within walking distance compare the rates. There is usually no commision for exchange.

Calling cards are sold everywhere, you just need a passport and about 10-15$ to buy one.

Metro tickets are available on each metro station. Tickets can be for one trip, for 2, for 5, 10, month, 3 months. Depends how much you plan to move. I like 10 trips tickets - not too long, a bit cheaper than if you buy each time one ticket, plus no need to wait in a line of people many times. It must be used within 30 days.

I saw signs in English, but not everywhere.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Firebird]Helena, thanks for your detailed and fast reply. Information you provided helps- firebird[/QUOTE]

Just to add to Helena's answer:

The worst rates for exchange are in the major hotels or at the airport. Anywhere in the center or near a metro station you'll find exchange offices, for either dollars or euros.

Buy at least a 10-ride metro ticket. Having to buy one when you are in a hurry and waiting in line for 10 minutes during busy times is annoying.

Don't count on the metro stations being labeled in English writing, they aren't. Some of the metro stations have a map that does have both languages however, but again not all. Same goes for street signs. Bilingual street signs are being introduced, but they aren't everywhere.

Exchange rates also vary by time of day. The best time to exchange money is on a weekday, during banking hours. This is the time of maximum competition for everyone, so the rates are the lowest. After the banks close, the private kiosks raise (or lower, depending on your point of view) their rates. Worst time of all is on the weekend. Fewer Kiosks are open, so the ones who are, can set their rates as they please. Best to have your cash for the weekend by Friday afternoon.

It is possible to find better rates outside of the Metro ring. Not much, maybe 100 or 200r per $100. It's not worth making the trip out there just for that reason, but, if you happen to find yourself there, take advantage of it. With the extra rubles, you can buy a Metro ticket.

Hello everyone.

I'm considering visiting Moscow again. My first and last visit was Sep 03 during which I had a great time and filed a few reports.

Guys, I've been reading the forum but not quite finding what Im after...

Tochkas - still as active, still $75/$100/$150 structure/amounts, still stay the night if wanted?

Militsia bribes etc, much change, new things to watch?

Any up to date thoughts welcomed and of course will be repaid again (should get there) with fresh new reports and confirmations from the ground.

Cheers
DT

[QUOTE=Dick Travel]Hello everyone.

I'm considering visiting Moscow again. My first and last visit was Sep 03 during which I had a great time and filed a few reports.

Guys, I've been reading the forum but not quite finding what Im after...

Tochkas - still as active, still $75/$100/$150 structure/amounts, still stay the night if wanted?

Militsia bribes etc, much change, new things to watch?

Any up to date thoughts welcomed and of course will be repaid again (should get there) with fresh new reports and confirmations from the ground.

Cheers
DT[/QUOTE]

I haven't tochka'd in a while DT, but even 2 years ago prices were up to about $100/$150/$200... not sure were they are now. Stay the night will be the same, as will potential militia problems.

Thanks Doc

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]I haven't tochka'd in a while DT, but even 2 years ago prices were up to about $100/$150/$200... not sure were they are now. Stay the night will be the same, as will potential militia problems.[/QUOTE]

Being such a lurker for some time, I first want to express my gratitude to all members of this board for sharing their experiences. It helped me a lot making my first stay in Moscow a great success.

For many first timers Moscow can be an intimidating experience. Especially when you travel alone, security issues may arise when entering girl apartments on your own, walking home alone at night or even crossing the road. It turned out that Moscow is a city that has to be consumed carefully in small quantities, otherwise it will devour you. However with good preparation, nerves, knowledge of Russian, cash and local expertise you can come far in a short time. Making optimal use of available local resources is the secret. And to keep the spirit of this board alive, I will now contribute. Moskwa, either you love her or hate her. I think I’ve already become addicted. Here is my story.

Arrival

My plane had a 5 hours delay. Should have landed at 16:00 but it became 21:00. It took me almost 2 hours of lineup to pass customs. At 23:00 I finally entered Russian territory and was collected by an extremely annoyed driver who took me to the hotel (another hour). Too late to start anything so I went to sleep.

First night: do it yourself

Social program the next day. Another morning/afternoon lost. Finally, in the early evening I could sneak out and do some first explorations. I bought a 10 ride metro ticket took the metro and got out at an arbitrary station. There was a very modern looking shopping center and an apteka (pharmacy). Following the advice of this board I went inside and bought a package of 4 Cialis 20 mg tablets for 2700 rubles. No questions asked (by the way, this is 300 rubles cheaper than at Shermetevo airport where they charge 3000 rubles).

I found some Internet girls from [url]www.Intimcity.ru[/url] the week before and called one of them (Luba). We agreed that I would visit her at her apartment, however don't try this on your own when you don't speak Russian. If you don't know what's meant with ulitsa, zdaniye, korpus, kvartira, kod, and don't know how the Russians express common directional instructions like “behind” or “in front of”, or even “left” or “right”, you WILL get hopelessly lost. Hire professional help instead, like Raphael (see later).

Anyway, I was guided to metro station Konkovo and found the right ulitsa. Located the right zdaniye and called Luba. Then she told me to go to another zdaniye. At first I was annoyed but later I understood that her zdaniye was not visible from the street. So she did the right thing. Help from local trespassers is essential since the building numbering system lacks any sequence or logic. Finally I located the right korpus and called Luba again. She told me to walk to the back of the building (where I was probably being watched by her). After a few minutes a young girl came down and brought me up to the apartment. When they let me in I saw a glimpse of a pimp so the apartment was probably run by the mafia.

Luba (32, 2000 rubles/hour) had the looks of a femme fatale who advertised as "a mature girl who wants to share sexual experience". In practical terms: she liked it hard, so she got it hard. She did not speak a single word of English. She was surprised I chose her since there were so many younger (more beautiful) girls available and it made her work even harder. If she's still available you can find her here: [url]www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=43601[/url]

After a cup of tea and some last warnings from Luba to stay out at trouble (I had to walk home alone at night and there had been some incidents with hooligans the week before) I left the apartment and got back in my hotel room 90 minutes later.

In total I was on the move for 4 hours for 1 hour being with her.

Luba: Looks 7.5; performance 8; price 2000 rubles/hour

Travel time: 3 hours

Second night: A little girl with a big surprise.

While at home I selected some girls from intimcity and pasted their bio and photos into a WORD document. This became very handy as it seemed that intimcity and dosug were under attack those days and therefore sometimes unavailable. One of the girls I wanted to meet was Lena, a. 1.55 m (5 foot) beauty who turned out to have a big surprise.

My prime reason for being in Moscow was business, which means that I hardly had time to explore Moscow on myself. My business contacts took me to eat out on several occasions and showed me some of the (tourist) highlights of Moscow. But I was also interested in other highlights which they unfortunately did not show me. I realized the time I could spend in the wild would be very limited (on average, only one of every 4 nights I could manage to be “alone”). Furthermore, being a first-timer my knowledge of the Russian public transport system was yet limited, and preparing a visit to apartment girls needs additional planning time. So to be able to get the maximum out of my time with the minimum of effort I decided to hire local expertise and called Rafael of [url]www.dreammoscownights.com[/url]. Rafael was already discussed by other members of this board like Ash1001 (April 10, 2007 post), Lindenwirt (April 27, 2007 post) and Nickster53 (July 9, 2006 post)) and he offered several services that were useful to me. We agreed to meet at the metro station close to my hotel and he guided me to the address of Lena using the metro (I emailed Lenas phone number a few hours before our meeting). Although I knew how to use the metro, the time gain was that he knew all interconnections and quickly found the street where the girl resides. Some metro stations can be quite complex when you have to change lines and have multiple exits (up to 10 or more). When we got out, Rafael asked around where the street was located and succeeded within minutes. When we arrived in the street of her apartment, there was quite some talking over the phone between Rafael and Lena (in Russian). Finally we were guided to the entrance. When she phoned the door code (kod), even Rafael had problems to get it right and had to try several times before we got in. I don’t think I could have managed it without him.

It was quite an experience to have such a little girl (however she could take it all) and I did it in a gentle way. She had a few girlfriends in the apartment and one of them was an extremely good looking 18yo college girl with black hair. Unfortunately I had no time for her. While I was doing my business, Rafael waited outside for security reasons. Afterwards he guided me back. In this way I saved a lot of time because I did not have to prepare anything and immediately was guided to the rights address. Just give Rafael the phone number of the girl you want, the time when you want to see her and he arranges everything for you, from door to door if necessary.

Lena: Looks: 8; performance 8; C Breasts; Total damage: 3000 rubles for 1 hour
College girl: Looks 9, performance ?, price ?
Travel time: 1 hour

Third night: A tale of two sisters and a catwalk model

A few days later I called Rafael again and this time I got a taste of his other talents which were also noted by Lindenwirt in his April 27 post. Again, to save time, Rafael arranged two girls for me (Alena and Natasha) at my apartment. Let me state here that Rafael does not “have” girls. Not a single girl works for him. He is a local guide who has all the contacts and knows where to get the best quality. The girls were actually sisters. Rafael really took care of me. He brought the girls to me (together with some wine) and chat with the girls - who didn’t speak English - to make them feel comfortable. The price was 16000 rubles for 3 hours with the 2 girls. Expensive? These were high quality girls, which mean that in reality they looked better than the photoshopped girls you find anywhere on the Internet. Yes, they still exist. Especially Natasha looked extremely beautiful with lovely eyes and a teenage body to die for. She was 22 (but looked younger) and still on university. Her sister Lena was 24 and just finished university. After some wine, both girls went to the bathroom and returned wearing nice lingerie. We started at the couch cuddling. Then we went to bed. Natasha turned out to be the kisser while Alena turned out to be the sucker. I got a CBJ from Alena while Natasha was passionately DFKing me. Total GFE. While Natasha was still kissing, Alena sat on my and gave me a cowgirl ride to completion. After the first round I got a 4 ruki (4 hand) massage from both girls (still drinking wine…).

Then we got to round 2. I took Natasha doggy stile and finished deep inside her while Alena was performing a raunchy dance on the bed on a video clip she liked (by the way, she was really good). Again some rest and drink wine. Then Natasha started to DFK me again while Alena started a new CBJ. This time Alena rode me while I was still kissing Natasha and massaged her nice and hard tits. 3 shots in 3 hours. Each of the girls managed to drink one bottle of wine and were quite drunk when they left. Assume they had a lot of fun afterwards spending their rubles.

Alona: (brunetka) looks: 9; performance: 9.5, C breasts; 8000 rubles / 3 hours
Natasha: (blondinka) looks : 9.5; performance: 9; B breasts; 8000 rubles / 3 hours
Travel time: none

An hour after both girls left, Rafael called me and asked me whether I enjoyed. Of course I did! He asked me whether I wanted another girl. This time I wanted a girl who did anal. He explained that this would cost 8000 rubles for 2 hours including anal. When the girl came in, oh my god, she could just have walked away from the catwalk. I don’t know where Rafael gets these girls from but they are certainly above average. She was tall (1.78 m / 5’10”) and slim so I was a little worried whether she could take it. Unfortunately it was already very late and we were both very tired. Managed to get inside her and finish once. She was so slim I had to use a special technique not to hurt her, which she appreciated. Will take her again next time when I’m less tired.

Lena: Looks: 9.5; Performance 8.5; A breasts
Price 8,000 rubles / 2 hours including anal.
Travel time: none

Fourth and last night: Salon girls & pick ups

I did not have any plans for my last night. I called Rafael and I had a feeling he was up to something. He advised me to try something different and visit one of the biggest salons in Moscow. Salons are the closest experience to a tochka. About 15 girls line up and you choose one or more of them. Rafael advised me a girl that had an androgen look. She had black hairy eyebrows. Mostly this is caused by a lack of female estrogen and an excess of male testosterone. From experience I know these girls can be very special. She turned out to be the Moscow one and only deep throat blowjob queen. First she gave me a DT blowjob. Then she sat on me cowgirl style and after a few minutes ride she got off and passionately started deepthroating again. I Indicated that I was coming but she kept sucking. Finally, she took it very deep and kept sucking so that I literally exploded inside her throat. Exactly the way it had to be. The last time I got a BJ like this must have been 10 years or so ago.

Name: Irina (not sure); Looks: 7; performance 9; Price: 3000 rubles / hour
Travel time: 30 minutes
Location: I don’t have a clue.

The grand finale

After my blowjob queen I was planning to take another salon girl and go home because I had to work the next morning. But I found Rafael on the street chatting with some girls. He said they would come with us for $100. After some negotiation we agreed on $100 per girl for two hours (which was a bargain compared to Intimcity and salon prices). Don’t remember their names: A tall blonde of about 26, a small 23ish blonde and a petite black hared girl.

Rafael halted a gipsy cab and off we went. It was an old Lada which almost collapsed under the weight of 3 girls Rafael and me. Repeatedly the car body hit the ground. We stopped at an apteka where I bought some raincoats and off we went again. I did not carry any passport and the papers of the girls were most certainly not in order too. That was the moment where I got an NTE (Near Tochka Experience). I sat on the back seat squeezed between three girls while Rafael was in the front seat giving directions and the driver was racing over the new Arbat street to the apartment. In the mean time I had one hand on the tits of the tall blonde, another between the legs of the small blonde searching for pussy while kissing the third one. The driver was just looking in the mirror and sneering like he wanted to say “Hey, I know what you are going to do and I like it”. These girls were used to squeezing into small Ladas. Although 3 girls were on the back seat, I still had enough room for myself, and everything I needed within reach :-) No militia stopped us (which even would have increased the NTE).

We arrived at the apartment and business started. The girls went to the bathroom and got a quick shower. The small blonde and the petite black haired were sitting with me on the couch, kissing and cuddling, while the third one was giving me a blowjob. I started to fuck the first one doggy style while the second one came behind me so that I could kiss her when I turned backward. The third one was kissing at all other places, I never forget the face of the small blonde after she was fucked by me the second time. She must have had at least three orgasms and was exhausted (and me too). The only mistake I made was that I had bought too few raincoats. Due to frequent girl change, the raincoats were changed often and too soon the bottom of the box was reached. It wasn’t a big problem. Having three girls simultaneously is a responsible and heavy job.
3-some. Looks 7-8 (in average). Performance 8.5. Price: $300 for 3 girls for 2 hours.
Travel time: 30 minutes

Conclusions

During these nights Rafael and I learned to know each other. Though in the beginning I was careful (you never know who you will meet in Moscow, even when someone is mentioned on this board) I quickly relaxed after we met. He is a nice guy and he finally became my caretaker. He arranged all kinds of things for me, varying from halting a gipsy cab (he halted a station wagon version of a Lada when he saw the size of my luggage, smart guy!), arranging girls and finding an upscale apartment. What I liked most about him is that he has the contacts to provide pre-selected girls of outstanding beauty with whom I had a good time in the privacy of my own apartment. I was totally satisfied. Thanks for your help Rafael. I’m looking forward to see you again when I’m in Moscow.

So, what did I achieve in these 4 nights?

- I visited apartment girls on my own
- Had a real Moscow ice cream (it’s really good)
- Visited a big salon
- Got two sisters in my apartment
- Had a catwalk model who did anal
- Met a deep throat blowjob queen
- Picked up 3 girls on the street and have an orgy
- Drove with a gypsy taxi driver on the back seat with 3 girls
- Had a near-tochka experience

Not bad at all for a first-timer to Moscow in 4 nights. Despite of some other posts, it can be done. All it needs is a good preparation, some courage, improvisation and local expertise (and about $1500 in cash). I spent about 15 hours with 9 different girls. This brings the price to $100/hour per girl which is not extremely expensive for Moscow standards these days when you are new and time is your limiting factor. Roughly half that time I spent with 9+ girls, and/or 8+ performers in their early 20’s, so all in all not a bad deal for the money.

This leaves me to think about what to do the next time. Some ideas: a real tochka, freebies (sounds tough though with a lack of time), pick up new girls, going to brothel type strip clubs, trying to find massage parlours, getting stopped by the militsia without any papers and negotiate the bribe (well, not really…). Any advice is appreciated :-)

Some lessons learned

I agree with Bizoh (July 14 2007 post) to have a backup plan because any situation can change any moment (as everything in Russia). In any case: relax, improvise and fall back on plan B. It’s just the way that things work here and part of the charm. And remember, the reward of improvising might be that you meet real girls you never find elsewhere.

Not all of the girls are on intimcity or dosug. Lots of hidden treasure is at other small web sites waiting to be discovered. You find the start links at intimcity. Take a few evenings to explore. The fun starts here.

If you want to buy a metro ticket and have to figure out how it all works, wait until after 20:00. Then it is less crowded and you have plenty of time to read the prices list and get acquainted with the procedures. I first took some 15 minutes to observe how the Russians did it, and then I just copied their behavior.

And finally: Moscow is NOT a city for cheap mongering, certainly when it’s your first time and you have a lack of time. Quality can be high though. Using local expertise, I was able to dig up some gold.

Well, that’s all folks. Hope this helps others to enjoy Moscow more, even when you’re a newbie. Special thanks to Doctor_Skank and IT Travel whose posts have been a rich source of knowledge for me. Sorry we could not meet for a beer when I was in Moscow. I hope to meet you guys in the future to discuss the do’s and don’ts of Russian business ethics. There’s still a lot to learn. And to explore…

M.

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Wow Monitor. What an amazing post. I'm almost embarrassed to offer my puny little story but in the spirit of the forum. .

Stayed an evening in the Hotel Russiya which is just off of the Red Square.- easy walking distance to St. Basil's. Didn't know what to expect but was awoken by a telephone call and a man's voice asking if I "wanted company". I was sort of taken aback and wasn't thinking quite straight and said "no". About two hours later, the phone rang again, this time a very nice woman's voice asked the same question and finally figuring it out (I can be slow sometimes) said yes. A young slender Russia girl (late teens at best) but quite well developed (34C's I'the guess) arrived shortly thereafter. Stayed for 30 minutes for 1000 are.- everything covered and multiple positions. I got her to let me finish between her great breasts. All in all.- pretty satisfying.- but nothing like Monitor!

LD

[QUOTE=Lurkingdog]Wow Monitor. What an amazing post. I'm almost embarrassed to offer my puny little story but in the spirit of the forum. .

Stayed an evening in the Hotel Russiya which is just off of the Red Square.- easy walking distance to St. Basil's. Didn't know what to expect but was awoken by a telephone call and a man's voice asking if I "wanted company". I was sort of taken aback and wasn't thinking quite straight and said "no". About two hours later, the phone rang again, this time a very nice woman's voice asked the same question and finally figuring it out (I can be slow sometimes) said yes. A young slender Russia girl (late teens at best) but quite well developed (34C's I'the guess) arrived shortly thereafter. Stayed for 30 minutes for 1000 are.- everything covered and multiple positions. I got her to let me finish between her great breasts. All in all.- pretty satisfying.- but nothing like Monitor!

LD[/QUOTE]

When did you stay in Hotel Rossiya? As far as I know, it was closed and is being torn down and rebuilt...

Thanks to all those who contribute to this forum so that we can enjoy our "sport" more informatively. I was recently in Moscow for a business trip and had only two nights, and I have to stress that I was looking for quality. Cash was no problem, but then my local connections were also limited. In any case, if you are interested in finding VFM posts this is not your thing. The rest of you, read below.

First night:

Tried the nearest "massage parlour", Shtanga. RU. It turns out the first phone call I ever make for directions in Moscow, the woman on the phone speaks English. Is this my lucky day or has everyone else on this forum been unlucky? Anyway, I walk into the establishment, which is located in one of the old Soviet blocks in Moscow. So can't really comment positively on the flat, although it was in a decent and fairly clean condition. I'm presented with 4 masseuses, ranging from 3s' to 6s'. I pick the 6 for an hour. Then the question of the decade comes along from the hostess (or mamachka):

Would you like 1 girl or 2 girls?

Me: 2 girls cost the same?

Her: YES.

Me: Well, TWO! (WTF? )

Synopsis:

Decent four-hand massage by two average looking girls ending with handjob and assisted shower. A relaxing and alternative experience.

Second night:

I wanted an unforgettable experience tonight, being my last night in Moscow, and I was prepared to either get it, or go to bed alone. So, what do you do if you want two model-type girls to be your girlfriends for the night and don't want to get into the hassle of travelling in a Lada all around Moscow to find them? (Not to mention the risk that they might turn out to be bad performers).

1) Hire a guy which has the contacts (some posts mentioned this earlier) OR.

2) Go to the only club in Moscow where a) are guaranteed to find solid 7s, 8s, & 9s who speak English and is 100% safe and welcoming for foreigners.

I chose the second due to the fact that hiring a girlfriend is a bit sad enough already (my personal feeling), let alone hiring someone to be your "mate" (again, it's my personal opinion).

To cut a long story short, I walked into NF and ended up with 2 x 20something year old hotties (one blonde and one brunette). They appeared to be semi-pros, by the way they dressed (chic, not slutty and not provocative), behaved (they appeared to be minding their own business, rarely exchanging glances with anyone) and acted with men (they were not approaching guys and they had already turned down a couple of guys that tried to chat them up. Instead they were dancing, having fun on their own, waiting to be "seduced". I wasn't sure whether to approach them, just in case they were the girlfriend of a bouncer or owner in there. I decided to risk it. Hoping that my testosterone and reproduction instincts have chosen the most suitable mates for the night, I chatted them up hoping to get something out of it. Boy did my instict not fail me.

After some chatting and flirting, I was told that they would cost $400 each to come with me. Ok, I said fuck it. I'm not going to bargain and I'm not even gonna go into the hassle of discussing details like what exactly they will put in their mouth and from what hole. I trusted my instinct and said "ok, let's go", making certain that my attitude conveyed to them that I am not some kind of a jerk that would succumb to their will and throw $800 without getting exactly the service I paid for. And that's exactly what I got.

First of all, they drove me to my hotel. They even tipped the hotel security guy to keep their car safe for the night. I mean, I wasn't expected to pay for that. Secondly, once we were in my room they behaved like GFs (I. E. Wanting me to take their clothes off and giving an emphasis on preliminaries).

Thirdly, we were seduced into a MFF trio of french-kissing in all combinations (AND YES, they french-kissed each other)

Fourthly, I remember having two eager mouths to shove my tool inside, BBBJ, without ever asking for BB.

Fifth, I got the occasional lesbian show. I took the chicas in turns, and while I was doing the brunette the blonde would either attend to her or me, occasionally pouring water over me and her girlfriend and licking/drinking the water or rubbing the water all over us to make the experience as dirty and arousing as possible. And vice versa. Sixth, the blonde also volunteered to use my camera to take pictures of me doing her friend.

I almost forgot that I had paid for this experience. These two girls actually seemed to be enjoying it. That's what I like about NF. No one is pushed into doing anything. They do this job because they LIKE it. Yes, they LIKE being paid to get fucked.

Anyway, the amazing brunette who has the body of an amazon was getting more attention, so as soon as she lies down to sleep (after about 3 intense sweating hours), the blonde one starts caressing and groping wanting me to fuck her. Who am I to resist? ! I start doing her. Oh and the icing on the cake. She wanted me to fuck her asshole. Yes ladies and gentlemen. I never asked for it, she never asked for more money. The girl just wanted her ass fucked to make up for all the attention she has been lacking whilst I was doing her girlfriend. And again, who am I to Resist ? !

After about 5(? ) rounds of what must have been the "triangle of lust" between the brunette, blonde and me in different combinations I fell into bed, happy, tired, with two amazing nude bodies touching me, one on each arm. I french-kissed both of them goodnight. I don't think I was able to sleep for a long time as I was constantly aroused by them and every now and then I was caressing one of the two perfect bodies I had next to me.

.

Morning already and my testosterone is hitting its peak. So I start caressing the blonde hoping to get another anal session. No resistance again. Anal, french-kiss, BBBJ, you name it. She never refused anything and I hardly had to ask. Everything seemed to have come naturally.

At last, they dressed, we exchange a few more DFKs and they left. All of us had a big smile. I won't be forgetting this experience for a long time. This is why I love Moscow. The possibilities are endless, as long as you have the cash.

Synopsis:

8 hours in my room with 2 very eager girls both GFE (1 brunette, 1 blonde), DFK, anal (with one), BBBJ, 5-6 sessions in total= $800.

Brunette 20+year-old amazon: looks: 9. 5, body: 10 (Yes, it was Perfect).

Performance: 8. 5

Blonde 25+year-old amazon: looks: 8. 5, body: 9, performance: 10

Maths: $800 / 8 hours = $100 per hour for fulfilling the fantasy of a lifetime. NOT BAD.

Yeah it's expensive, but I had the time of my life and I also never had to haggle for any services. They provided everything and it came naturally, and they even stayed for more than I asked for. We said 8hrs, they stayed for 9+, and that after asking me if it's OK to leave! What's the possibility of picking up two girls from a tochka or a website or even a contact in Moscow and turning up wanting to do DFK, Anal, BBBJ, without you ever mentioning it? Almost ZERO. For a newbie in Moscow its not bad. But of course, you get what you pay for. That's my rule.

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Really nice to see newbies have extraordinary experiences. It can be done just bring money, patience and study up for the trip.



Aolini,

Nice job for your first time. A little expensive but sounds like the girls delivered as promised and then some. Truly the experience of a lifetime.


Moniter

Great report, you did the research then found local help to improve your experience.



Problem is now both of you are hooked. You do realize you have now been ruined for life for females from any other country.

Would have been cheaper and easier to become addicted to heroin.

You are both already thinking about your next trip aren’t you? LOL………….

Well done

Guido88

<Sound of Excess' hands clapping and his head going up and down>

Well done - some might quibble and say a bit pricy but there is no question that the level of service provided in return needs any further discussion which is refreshing in itself and is becoming a bit of an issue in many threads.

Congratulations to all three of you.

In which hotel did you stay??

[QUOTE=Guido88]Really nice to see newbies have extraordinary experiences. It can be done just bring money, patience and study up for the trip.

Problem is now both of you are hooked. You do realize you have now been ruined for life for females from any other country.

Would have been cheaper and easier to become addicted to heroin.

You are both already thinking about your next trip aren’t you? LOL………….

Guido88[/QUOTE]Guido,

I'm afraid you might be right. I am seriously thinking that I'll have a problem getting a girl from another country and being as satisfied.

Maybe we need to invite a psychanalyst or psychologist to this forum. :)

It must be the time of year, or maybe this is just Moscow, but here is my experience from a few days mongering in the Russian capital. Note that I was in the city for longer than the two days mentioned here, but could not break loose from a fairly conservative group to do anything. Very frustrating, particularly if you catch the metro too often!

This opportunity came about from the Boarhouse – which I thought has improved since my last non-monger visit there in February (in both quality and quantity).

Night 1: Anna (33 yo petite blonde ) and Marina (35 yo, smokin’ hot body and a great attitude, beautiful green eyes). Neither really spoke English but with my basic Russian we were able to get by. Few drinks, some dancing.

Back to the Sheraton (just off Tverskaya). I can confirm they are girl friendly and if you are in floor 4 or above (Starwood Preferred Customer) the girls do not have to show ID - you just sign a piece of paper. Not sure what this paper was, but they were really cool.

Various positions with both girls (particularly doggie and mish), come on body, dual CBJ, light lesbian, DATY. Marina was very anal attracted – two anal sessions with her, as well as fingers and tongue – I thought her squeals while coming anally were going to wake the whole hotel!

Damage 5k ruble each plus security money at Boarhouse, 150 rub entry, 200 rub taxi to hotel, 250 rub for a pack of condoms (yep the girls were not carrying!) from 1.30am to 7am.

Day 2, start receiving text messages in English from Marina…she did not speak English at all…very strange. Agreed to meet in a café in the city later that night.

Night 2, As I mentioned, Marina is 35 with a body most 20 yo would kill for. She had told me that she had a 18 yo daughter (and a 45 yo husband), but I never expected to meet either. When I turned up at the café, there’s Marina with a younger version of herself…yep, she had bought the daughter and it was the daughter who had been texting. Her English was fine, but I was still stunned. Even after all these years of mongering, it’s nice to know that you can still be surprised! We chatted for a while and when Irina (the daughter) went off to the ladies room, we got down to business. 8k ruble for Irina (she has university expenses) and 5k for Marina. I didn’t hesitate to say yes!

I had moved to an apartment on Novy Arbat, so I didn’t have to worry about security etc. We bought a bottle of wine and some beers from a kiosk, and went to the apartment. Irina was charming and mischievous in that teenage way, and even Marina seemed very relaxed. I must also say at this point that I had bought some Vitamin C for the first time earlier in the day (2545 rub, 4 x 20mg from an apteka on Stary Arbat). I don’t usually have any problems, but it had been a long week and a late night the night before, plus I was interested to see how it would go. I knew I would be meeting Marina, and thought Anna would turn up again - therefore needed all the help I could get just for those two! Little did I know....

We drank some wine and some beers, and pretty soon Marina and I were back where we left off the night before. It was a bit strange (I’ve done plenty of MFF but not a mother-daughter scenario). However Marina had Irina lay down between us, and she offered her to me…one of those sights I will never forget! The anal predilection runs in the family, and it was quite a night of swapping between these two hot women. The other thing was that I must have met some type of test for Marina, because it was BBBJ from then on (although I did shower, shave, brush my teeth and mouthwash when we got back to the apartment, which she seemed to appreciate). Everything was on offer – classic, anal, DATY, BBBJ, COB, even light lesbian.

I must say that I was very impressed with the Vitamin C as well, and I think it got me through the night. Each time one of the girls was ready to go, so was I, and sometimes I would initiate! It will also be in my kit-bag for my next FKK visit, I think it is the perfect performance enhancer for an FKK experience. No side effects noticeable.

At about 8am, Marina and Irina showered and left, with promises to catch up next I was in Moscow. I had a previous appointment for that night, but as fate would have it, my departure was brought forward by a day so I had to leave.

That just leaves more for next time!

Damage 8k Rub Irina, 5k Rub Marina, 200 rub taxi to apartment, approx 10 hours in total.

Moscow really is an amazing city – in my opinion the most hedonistic large city in the world. Generally it’s not cheap, especially if your language skills are not up to negotiating, but then again, as others on the board have shown, it is possible to get anything you like.

Any questions, happy to answer.

Cheers

Dogger862

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Damn Dogger,

Quite a story, I am envious. Done the Aunt and Niece thing and a pair of cousins but never a Mother and Daughter team.
With anal, you lucky bastard! Well done.


Aolini

The addiction has happened to every male I know that has visited Russia. There is no cure except repeated doses of fine Russian estrogen. The addiction gets worse with every visit. Frequently I find myself planning the next trip while I am still on the current one.

Guido88

Dr. Skank,

My visit was in late 2005. I only found this board/website recently and decided to share my experiences from past travels. After reading your message, I went on the web and found that this facility has closed up shop.- my bad! Things in the business change pretty quickly.

LD

[QUOTE=Dogger862]Any questions, happy to answer.

Cheers

Dogger862[/QUOTE]That's awesome Dogger. I've had sisters, cousins, girlfriends best friends and other good stuff, but never had the mother daughter combo.

So which one was better? :)

[QUOTE=Aolini]First night:

Tried the nearest "massage parlour", Shtanga. RU. It turns out the first phone call I ever make for directions in Moscow, the woman on the phone speaks English. Is this my lucky day or has everyone else on this forum been unlucky? Anyway, I walk into the establishment, which is located in one of the old Soviet blocks in Moscow. So can't really comment positively on the flat, although it was in a decent and fairly clean condition. I'm presented with 4 masseuses, ranging from 3s' to 6s'. I pick the 6 for an hour. Then the question of the decade comes along from the hostess (or mamachka):

Would you like 1 girl or 2 girls?

Me: 2 girls cost the same?

Her: YES.

Me: Well, TWO! (WTF? )

Synopsis:

Decent four-hand massage by two average looking girls ending with handjob and assisted shower. A relaxing and alternative experience.

[/blue][/size][/QUOTE]I wanted to go Shtanga massage parlor today. I found its building according to map on its website. But there weren't any label of parlor on the building or on the doors. And all doors were locked. Then I made a few phone calls. A lady answered but spoke only russian. Upon I'm talking english, she cancelled the calls. I asked somebody around there but nobody know. Then I back to my home as tired: (

How did you find building and the door?

Thanks.

NO... not me, but Jfkjfk! What a great opportunity for you! If I were you, I'd begin checking out the personal pages for RU chicks and start setting up some meetings. You'll enjoy the clubs, NF not necessarily being much more than a must-see tourist sight, but the ones currently in vogue.

If you work the personal sites, check with others on the best currently, you'll be able to find many girls from outlying areas to Siberia who will gladly ride the train overnight to visit someone who could develop into a "steady".

Of course, I haven't been to Moscow in almost two years, but I doubt that that has changed dramatically. It's all there for the taking, unfortunately most of the Moscow girls will be doing most of the taking if you stick to them as the primary resource.

As a example, I hooked up with a girl from Ukraine on a personals site who was quite a bit younger, 37 years to be exact, she was 19 at the time, for a four-week visit in Odessa. Finally broke it off when I moved from Odessa back to the USA...

Also, of all the beautiful women in Moscow, most are probably not available as "working girls" so you will want to be on the lookout for cuties working everyplace and on the street. You're not going to be viewed as a "White God", but if your BS is good you should be able to get as many numbers as you want. On top of that, learn as many RU words as you can and you'll improve your odds greatly!

Kosmos... NF for $100/hour? February of what year did you and your friend last visit? Perhaps it was the fourth or fifth round that night for your two girls? If not, the $100 would barely cover their entry into NF, so something must have happened to get them out the front door for a ben!

[QUOTE=Mandela]I wanted to go Shtanga massage parlor today. I found its building according to map on its website. But there weren't any label of parlor on the building or on the doors. And all doors were locked. Then I made a few phone calls. A lady answered but spoke only russian. Upon I'm talking english, she cancelled the calls. I asked somebody around there but nobody know. Then I back to my home as tired: (

How did you find building and the door?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Mandela

Just to make sure we're talking about the same shtanga, I'm talking about the one near Belloruskaya metro. Address is 2-й Лесной пер., no 4/6, complex 1. If I remember correct it's flat number 29, but people usually call before turning up. It's not one of those places you can walk in unexpected.

From what I remember you take Lesnaya Ul. from Belloruskaya square and walk left into 2nd Lesnoy Per. right after Holiday Inn. Then you walk about 30-50 metres and take a right into a passageway, then left and left again you will see the door. Press the number and you are in, but make sure you call them first. Maybe I was just lucky, but when I called the woman spoke English. Maybe she was just having a busy day and couldn't be bothered to answer in your language. Who knows!

Aolini

Mandela,

You need a few basic words.

Once you found the building something like “ Ya ulitsa & say street name” or for me Americanyet ulitsa and they will come out to the street to find you. Helps if you can say the numbers. Done this many times.

Or do not be shy to stop people in the street and ask your help. Ask “Projosta” and hand the cell to someone you have asked for help so they can receive directions and point you the right way. Pick someone who cannot run away with your mobile. They do not know you are trying to find a *****house.

Or have a gypsy cab driver get you to the door of the salon and pay him a few extra rubles.

Although frequently not simple there is always a way to get to the job done.



CA Traveler

Good to see the voice of experience back. Are you going thru withdrawals? LOL......

Guido88

[QUOTE=CA Traveler]
Of course, I haven't been to Moscow in almost two years, but I doubt that that has changed dramatically. It's all there for the taking, unfortunately most of the Moscow girls will be doing most of the taking if you stick to them as the primary resource.
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Hey Ca_T, long time no hear! Great to see you back, Moscow is definitely not the same without you!

Hi Dogger.

Sounds like you had a great stay in Moscow in August.

I will be travelling to Moscow on the 10th. og September, and look forward to some nice days.

I would love an experience with Irina and maybe also with her mother. Is there any chance that you could give me some contact information, or some information on how it's possible to get in touch with those two wonderful women?

Hope to hear from you :-)

Greetings esteemed readers of the Moscow thread. I have two questions that I was wondering if some clever person (or persons) might be able to help with (and yes, I have run a search on the forum, but I don't think mine are typical questions anyway).

Question 1:

Is anybody aware of any agencies (or other sources, e.g. internet websites) where I might be able to hire both a female and a male escort? The reason I ask is because I am going to be visiting Moscow (for the first time) with my girlfriend, and previously she has indicated that on some occasion she might like to watch a couple having sex with each other. I guess that she might also be thinking that she will get to have sex with the guy, but I would only agree to this if I could have sex with the girl (naturally).

And no, the guy should definitely NOT be gay or bisexual!

Question 2:

Does anybody know the location of any sex shops around the central area (we're staying near Tverskaya)?

Many thanks in advance.

Altered ego

Moving to Moscow next week, what advice can you guy give to an Asian in Moscow?

Is it possible to hock up with the local ladies as Girl friend?

[QUOTE=Xiao Ma]Moving to Moscow next week, what advice can you guy give to an Asian in Moscow?

Is it possible to hock up with the local ladies as Girl friend?[/QUOTE]

Sure its possible, just try. As an Asian, be a bit careful, especially if you have dark skin. Central Asians, especially of Kirgisi, Uzbeki or Tadjiki origin, sometimes are discriminated against, as young men from these areas are generally poor workers. Kazakhis, who are lighter skinned and look more like Oriental Asians, fare a bit better.

Main point is that you should just try to meet some girls... no one is going to come to you, you have to go to them.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Sure its possible, just try. As an Asian, be a bit careful, especially if you have dark skin. Central Asians, especially of Kirgisi, Uzbeki or Tadjiki origin, sometimes are discriminated against, as young men from these areas are generally poor workers. Kazakhis, who are lighter skinned and look more like Oriental Asians, fare a bit better.

Main point is that you should just try to meet some girls... no one is going to come to you, you have to go to them.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Mate for your info, I'm not fare as I'm a Malaysian Chinese so I look abit like Thai to most.

I will be in Moscow for a month then leave home and back again by mid October and I like "Fishing" as I enjoy the journey but time to time I like to experience some professional treatment.

Hope to meet up with some local.........

Thanks Mate

Hi all you Moscow mongering experts ! I have been posting for a few years now on the scene in Argentina, Brazil, Belgium, Spain, Hungary and Poland amoung others, so if you have any queries, would be happy to help !

However I have never sampled the pleasures in Moscow. I was checking out Rusdosug.com today and these women are seriously up my street, to my knowledge there is no city with such a high percentage of reasonably priced, gorgeous and curvy ladies.

So please allow me to ask some annoying newbie questions !

Would non English speaking ladies be happy to meet up with for example a British guy where communication would be difficult ? Is it easy to get ladies into your hotel compared to other cities, what is the system, do you pay an offical room surchare or maybe tip the doorman ? Do their prices cover all the services they offer, or do they charge much more for extras, try to hike up the price for foreigners etc ? What is the percentage of ladies who answer from Rusdosug ?

For those who could compare the two, how would you rate the attitude and hotness of an average Moscow lady compared to say one in Warsaw or Budapest ? Know this sounds dumb, but I think you can rate this easily. From my experience I would rate Buenos Aires 8, Sao Paulo and Warsaw 7 and Budapest 6. I have only had 1 Russian lady, in Buenos Aires and she was hot as hell !

How would I go about hiring an interpreter to phone ladies for me ? Maybe get an English speaking escort to do a bit of freelance work for me here ?

From first impressions I would love to come, but maybe the reality is different to the websites ? For example in Budapest there are tons of websites with hot looking ladies, but only about 1 in 5 answers, they generally have a poor attitude (on the phone at least), and hardly any speak English. So, for example if Moscow is like Budapest in this respect, I wouldn't bother making the effort to come there, just to be dissapointed !

If I stayed in a decent hotel in a nice area, is it safe enough to wander around alone in the day ? I am of the impression that coming to Moscow is another world than say going to Budapest or Warsaw, especially these days with the fragile political situation between Russia and the west, the intolerance towards some races etc, I just want to make sure before I take the plunge, so to speak.

Again sorry for all the questions, but any advice you can give will be most appreciated !

Cheers,

Coupe 66

[QUOTE=Altered Ego]Greetings esteemed readers of the Moscow thread. I have two questions that I was wondering if some clever person (or persons) might be able to help with (and yes, I have run a search on the forum, but I don't think mine are typical questions anyway).

Question 1:

Is anybody aware of any agencies (or other sources, e.g. internet websites) where I might be able to hire both a female and a male escort? The reason I ask is because I am going to be visiting Moscow (for the first time) with my girlfriend, and previously she has indicated that on some occasion she might like to watch a couple having sex with each other. I guess that she might also be thinking that she will get to have sex with the guy, but I would only agree to this if I could have sex with the girl (naturally).

And no, the guy should definitely NOT be gay or bisexual!

Question 2:

Does anybody know the location of any sex shops around the central area (we're staying near Tverskaya)?

Many thanks in advance.

Altered ego[/QUOTE]

Hi, some agencies have males and couples, but few. It will be easier if you search in google "male escort russia" or "couples escort russia". You can also hire a male escort in a male strip club, for ex. here [url]http://www.egoistka-club.ru[/url] .
As for sex-shops, around Tverskaya there is nothing decent. We have one wonderful sexshop near Bagrationovskaya metro station, but it makes sense to go there only if you need a real high quality BDSM attributes, because for simple toys it's too expensive without a reason. Simple stuff cheap and of decent quality you can book here [url]http://eromag.ru[/url] . They will deliver it next day where you want. Very good service, enjoy =))

[QUOTE=Xiao Ma]Moving to Moscow next week, what advice can you guy give to an Asian in Moscow?

Is it possible to hock up with the local ladies as Girl friend?[/QUOTE]

Hi, you will for sure have no problems with girls. But be aware of police - always carry your passport and visa (if you don't show the papers you can get to jail for few hours or more).

[QUOTE=Coupe66]
Would non English speaking ladies be happy to meet up with for example a British guy where communication would be difficult ? Is it easy to get ladies into your hotel compared to other cities, what is the system, do you pay an offical room surchare or maybe tip the doorman ? Do their prices cover all the services they offer, or do they charge much more for extras, try to hike up the price for foreigners etc ? What is the percentage of ladies who answer from Rusdosug ?

How would I go about hiring an interpreter to phone ladies for me ? Maybe get an English speaking escort to do a bit of freelance work for me here ?

So, for example if Moscow is like Budapest in this respect, I wouldn't bother making the effort to come there, just to be dissapointed !

If I stayed in a decent hotel in a nice area, is it safe enough to wander around alone in the day ? I am of the impression that coming to Moscow is another world than say going to Budapest or Warsaw, especially these days with the fragile political situation between Russia and the west, the intolerance towards some races etc, I just want to make sure before I take the plunge, so to speak.

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1) Working girls won't care about your language if the price is right. Some working girls speak some English, most don't. The percentage of English-speaking girls is higher in the pickup bars like Night Flight or in the classifieds in English-language papers like the Moscow Times. The percentage goes down considerably in the salons and internet girls.

Non-pro freebie type girls speak English if they like you, if they don't like you they'll suddenly forget all the English they had in school.

2) Hotel policy is just that, hotel policy. Western hotels generally let you take guests in with no additional fee... she may have to register at the desk. Believe me, they see "guests" every single night. It's nothing strange. Your shame will be gone as soon as you are in your room. :) She'll need her passport. Russian hotels are more strict on allowing guests, especially at night. You may have to register her at the desk and pay an extra fee. Maybe bribing the guard will do the trick, but its no guarantee. If your budget allows, stay at a western hotel. A nice one is "Petr 1". You can find it on [url]www.hrs.com[/url] for about 160-200 euro/night. Trust me, that's cheap for central Moscow, and its right in the very center, about 3 minutes walk from Karma Bar.

3) Internet girls (rosdug etc.) are notoriously poor in English. They may just hang up on you. Sorry, but that's the way it is. Hiring an interpreter would help for sure. There is a guy that does that sort of thing, I think [url]www.moscowdreamnights.com[/url] or something like that. He's refered to in the forum, have a look.

4) central Moscow is safe, but do as Helena says and keep your passport and wits about you. After you arrive in Moscow you'll realize how stupid it is to think central Moscow is dangerous. The only worry you'll have is the cops and your bank account.

By the way, Helena speaks English just fine... :)

Helena

Many thanks for the information. I was wondering, do you know the address of the sex shop near Bagrationovskaya?

Alternatively if anybody else has got addresses for (or directions to) sex shops in the central Moscow area I would be exceedingly grateful (I ran a web search and I couldn't find anything).

Regards

Altered Ego

Are the photos of the beautifull girls real?
www. rusdosug.com

If this is true, I will soon go to Moscow!

[QUOTE=Dick1]Are the photos of the beautifull girls real?
www. rusdosug.com

If this is true, I will soon go to Moscow![/QUOTE]

For the vast majority, they are real pictures. Of course photoshopped a bit to remove some imperfections... but yeah, they are real.

Hi,

Has anyone recently been to NF or CF? What is the going rate. Last time NF girls wanted $500 and CF girls $400, which seemed a bit steep (by Moscow standards). This time I want to be sure I get a fair deal.

Thanks,

Anthony

PS I still have no problem paying $500 for NF quality.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]There is a guy that does that sort of thing, I think [url]www.moscowdreamnights.com[/url] or something like that.[/QUOTE]
It's [url]http://www.dreammoscownights.com/index.htm[/url] ;)

I was in Moscow and met with this guy last week (not for mongering though, just needed his help for private matters). However, I was with my Belarussian girlfriend and we went to a cafe afterwards. He discussed in Russian with her and sure makes her laugh all the time. Didn't understood much as my Russian is rather basic, but after he left she told me he's extremely funny with a lot of sense of humour and regretted not having taken a picture with him to show her friends (btw he's black, so far for pre-conceived ideas about black guys and Russian girls).

If a girl interests you in a freebie pick-up joint,I think he will certainly have no problem approaching her for you. And if you're after P4P, he sure knows some interesting place.

Jim

[QUOTE=Altered Ego]Helena

Many thanks for the information. I was wondering, do you know the address of the sex shop near Bagrationovskaya?


Altered Ego[/QUOTE]

Bagrationovsky proezd, 1.
Tel: +7(495)145-7744 or +7(499)145-7744 (one or another must work).
[url]http://www.intimmagazin.ru[/url]

[QUOTE=AnthonyUK]What is the going rate. Last time NF girls wanted $500 and CF girls $400, which seemed a bit steep (by Moscow standards).
PS I still have no problem paying $500 for NF quality.[/QUOTE]

Good for you Anthony but you are shitty in negotiations.

Realistic without almost any negotiation is:

CF: $200
NF: $300

You only pay $500 if you want to. It's your cash.

Quite frankly, I think $300 is too much for sex, I don't care who she is. At that level, you aren't fucking her, she's fucking you. Just my 2 bits. Maybe you have a different perspective on things than I do. No harm no foul.

Well, I am coming back to sin-lust-pleasure city on 20th after a 1 year long break.

My buddies in Moscow informed me that there are many new joints(so called Gentelmen CLubs) opened. Well its time to spend American GREENS($$$$$).

I will stay 10-15 days depend on my mood.

Just after the openning I was at Berloga(White Bear). Has anyone been to another strip clubs lately.

THe rumor is CF is dead fish. What about Tochkas?

Doc the mentor, what's the going price lately. NF is a nice place for a drink and eye masturbating but girls are foolishly expensive. Once I spend zillions of dollars but pusy is pusy after all.

What does NF and CF mean?

[QUOTE=Art Vandalay]What does NF and CF mean?[/QUOTE]
NF is Night Flight, Tverskaya 17. They have a website [url]http://www.nightflight.ru[/url].

I may be wrong but CF must be Chesterfield, the old name of Doug&Marty's Boar House, Zemlyanov Val 26. They also have a website [url]http://www.boarhouse.ru[/url]. For some unknown reason, people still like to refer to Doug&Marty's as Chesterfield although the name has changed for years and years. Some nostalgy I guess.

Jim

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Good for you Anthony but you are shitty in negotiations.

Realistic without almost any negotiation is:

CF: $200
NF: $300

You only pay $500 if you want to. It's your cash.

Quite frankly, I think $300 is too much for sex, I don't care who she is. At that level, you aren't fucking her, she's fucking you. Just my 2 bits. Maybe you have a different perspective on things than I do. No harm no foul.[/QUOTE]Thanks Doc! Actually I'm a good negotiator, but unfortunately in NF I'm like a kid in a candy shop, and loose all sense of purpose:) When i was there last, I tore myself away empty handed and wanted to wait until I knew what the going rate should be - don't want to poisen the water for everybody else.

First night in Moscow tonight, and going to see if the football is on in CF and see where we go from there

Cheers,

Anthony

I will be in Moscow in 3 weeks. Would love to meet up for a beer and fun.

Reading through the forums, I figured that salons are probably the best option for a first-time visit to Moscow. Is there a list of salons and phone numbers anywhere? Other suggestions for modest priced fun?

Thanks.

I will be in Moscow strarting from 20th for 15 days...

I have knwon that SHandra was closed, Safari was busted, 911 was burned down, Rhino was closed, XXX is on down fall...

Any comments about the new strip clubs...

[QUOTE=Big Bro AJ]I will be in Moscow strarting from 20th for 15 days...

I have knwon that SHandra was closed, Safari was busted, 911 was burned down, Rhino was closed, XXX is on down fall...

Any comments about the new strip clubs...[/QUOTE]

BigBro:

There is a new Shandra, read the latest Exile and there is an article about it. Not sure if it is good though. As for CF, I was there just yesterday to watch football and it pretty much sucked. It could be just because it was a football night though, you know how those are... they always suck. :)

I think 911 is still open... it didn't burn down, they just had a fire and some Bulgarian businessmen died of smoke inhalation.

Doctor Skank, thanks a million for your feedback !! On having checked the websites Intimcity.ru and Rusdosug.ru in detail, I am surprised by how few ladies provide hotel service, maybe only 1/4. Is this what you guys also experience ? Also, not too many offering BBBJ, is this the norm ? Would you say these are the best websites, or are there other really good ones I am missing ? What about Putanas.nu, that doesn't look bad either.

About hiring an interpreter to help me make dates / get about Moscow to meet the ladies, I put a post on a local Moscow website (craiglist.org) and have had a few replies from girls offering to help. Strangely all from mypoppet.ru dating service, even though I never posted there. But some think I want to date them, not really the purpose of my posting on the website !! Anyone know other good sites like craiglist I could advertise for this on ?

I also contacted Raul from dreammoscownights, thinking about using his services. He told me though that Riussian ladies are very unreliable (is this true ?) and that many photos on these websites are fake. From what has been posted elsewhere on this site I think the amount of fake photos on these particular sites is low, correct ?

Another thing, does the ladies price per hour generally include most of the services mentioned, or do they charge much for extras, ie BBBJ, or try to hike up the price for foreigners etc ? Thanks again for your advice you lucky Moscow mongers !

After gaining an awful lot from this forum I thought it only right I should repay fellow mongers with a report of my experieces from Monday 10th to Thursday 13th os September.

The purpose of my trip was business but the fact that I am writing here means it was not only business on my mind.

Monday 10th. Arrived to a rainy Moscow, traffic was horrendous, it took me 1 hour and 40 minutes to get to the centre. I was booked into the Golden Apple, a small but centrally located hotel with wifi although the fact that they charge for the privilige is a bit annoying. I had a friend who was also in Moscow so we arranged to meet at NF. I arrived at 12. 30, entrance 800 Rubles including first drink, only to find my friend in deep conversation with a bra- busting brunette. There were about 25 girls mostly 7 & 8, and the occassional 9. There were also some girls that had some serious silicon work gone wrong. Anyway after speaking to several girls it seemed the asking rate was $400 quickly dropping to $300 and if you sat around it may even drop to $200. The peak time was 1- 1. 30. I would estimate there were only about 10 guys this night. My friend had made a choice and agreed a price of $250 with a blonde twice his size. I did notice that apart from the mini skirted dolled-up catefory there were a few girls of the "plain jane" type in jeans and t-shirt. (possibly the student or secretary after a salary boost). Anyway my friend left at 2. 30 leaving me to decide my next move. Being a patron of the chase rather than the catch and there was not much chasing going on, I decided to call it a night and went back to my hotel.

Tuesday 11th- Following a full day of work I decided to call Raul from Moscow nights who I had emailed a week before. The thing I found with Raul is that he is straight and upfront. Knows Moscow inside out as well as everything about football. Surprisingly he has never read this forum. We met at my hotel and he described a few girls he could put me touch with. The one I was keen on turned out to be available in two hours, so I decided to pass. Raul suggested he take me to a salon. Always one for a bit of adventure I agreed. We jumped in a taxi and ended up in an old style soviet apartment block next to the WTC, no lighting outside, dirty and deterioted inside. I first noticed the amount of locks on each door, 4 to 5 on each door, and knew this was not an ordinary apartment block. According to Raul this is run by the Mafia and almost all apartments are knocked through to create a maze like block. On the 3rd floor we knocked on a steel door and were let in by this woman who was obviously the boss. We sat down in a room and two girls were immediatel ushered in to us. We were told that there were 25 girls working, so I asked to see more, so the boss told us 2 minutes. Ten minutes later I asked Raul what is going on. He went out to invistigate and came back saying all the girls are busy. So 5 minutes later a very young a crazy brunette walks in, tall, very cute, spoke a little English and at least an 8. She asks for 2000 Rubles, which includes anal. Two minutes later I am getting a CBJ, deepthroat all the way, I can barely control my self so I have to stop her, she gets on top and tries out for the World Buckaroo playoffs. Time for the doggy style and the anal, this is when she puts a damper on things as she asks for another 1000, at this stage I am in no position to argue for the sake of $40. So I give in and take her anal, 5 minutes later I explode inside her. Overall I am with her for about 30 minutes and would say the $120 bucks were well spent even though she took advantage of the situation and asked for the extra 1000.

Raul gets 60 euros for his troubles and I am off for some well earned rest.

Wednesday 12th. My friend calls me and says he has uncovered some strange goings on at his Hotel. The Renaissance. Apparently there were some girls in the lobby at least 8-10 hanging around for no apparent reason. We agree to meet at his hotel at 10. 30. I notice about 6 girls sitting on the couches all in pairs, so we park ourselves next to a blonde/brunette pair (rated a 6 and a 7) and start small talk. After 10 minutes my friend asks them how much they want for both of them to join him in his room, they say $400, he replies $300 and says he will be up in his room for the next 15 minutes. For some reason I didn't get involved and as he didn't mentioned the gang bang thing I wasn't going to crash his party. He says if I am not back in 15 minutes, he would meet me in NF. I go into the bar order a drink and notice the girls leave for the lifts.

So off to NF for me which is busier than Monday, I choose to sit upstairs and down a few vodkas to get me in the mood. After talking to 3/4 girls I settle with a girl called Irena, who is not young by any means, possibly 35. But with a great body and massive silicon tits as well as a great attitude we seem to click. No money is mentioned just that she wants to leave with me, I delay this saying I am waiting for my friend, who arrives worse for wear with a big grin on his face. He says he is not up to staying long but will have a drink and go and get some sleep. By this time NF is very busy with maybe 40 girls and 20 guys. Irena is on me like a leach and when I ask her what the damage will be she replies $300! I say I am not interested and immediately she says I should tell her a price. I say $200 is all I have got and not a penny more. By now it was 2 am and NF was still heaving. I seek out my mate and low and behold he is sitting with a girl! It turns out it is a girl he had been seeing regularly a year ago and she just turned up. The lucky so and so and it turned out to be a freebie!

Anyway I call over Irena and we end up at my Hotel, She turned out to be an animal, BBBJ and within 10 minutes I came on her tits (I just had to). A quick break and a raid on the minibar and we were at it again. At 4. 30 I have to kick her out as I had a meeting at 9 and I needed the sleep.

Thursday 13th- I am a bit like a zombie as the drink and sleepless nights have hit me strong. I think about calling Raul to arrange a quickie for me but decide against it and set off for my flight early.

Overall a great 4 days, there were opportunities to meet and take out girls etc, especially with some of my business contacts, but there was too little time. Next time for sure.

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BBAJ,

15 days in Moscow, lucky you!

You should definately check out Byeli Medvyed, up on Prospect Mira #116. It's a bit of a trek, but it's worth it. [url]www.berloga.ru[/url]

Also, try Egoist. It's on Spiridonovka, in the Patriarshii Prudi area, about a block from the intersection of Sadovaya Kudrinskaya, north side of the street.

I also like Puzir, near Universityet. But that's my personal preference, and may not be for everyone.

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