Politics in the Dominican Republic

I really think I'm talking to kids sometime."A Dominican Republic that does not exist" Wow! I must have mistaken those tourist in the Colonial District for putas. I must have mistaken the Euro couple at the new plaza on George Washington for shoe shine kids. The group of businessmen at Jaragua and Malecon for touts and the british couple in Boca Chica for a local or the family at the beach as aberrations. Yall are full a shit. You see what you want to see. Also, a couple that stays in the all inclusive will bring in more revenue than you will spend any day and its taxable.

I hang with you guys. Why try to Bull Shiat Me. I know your a bunch a cheep bastards so stop with the "we spend big dollars" Bull Shit, some of you are the cheapest some of a biatches I have seen in my life. From Rio, to Coasta Rica back to DR yall have got to be the worst. I have had to pay several of you assholes bills while drinking with me because I could not stand you haggling over a 1, 000 vs. 900. Really, your going to sit hear and waste time out of my life over $3 dayum dollars. Especially after you ran the waiter in the ground for the last hour? You sit on here and in person@Santo and brag about how you buy provisions at the market to save money, never pay the Tourist rates and then try to compare yourself to a normal tourist? Hell, I almost had to fight a couple of you for telling me what I should and should not pay to put my dick in a chick.

COME ON MAN! I'm CALLING HYPOCRITE!

[QUOTE=Alex Deuce;1147740]I really think I'm talking to kids sometime."A Dominican Republic that does not exist" Wow! I must have mistaken those tourist in the Colonial District for putas. I must have mistaken the Euro couple at the new plaza on George Washington for shoe shine kids. The group of businessmen at Jaragua and Malecon for touts and the british couple in Boca Chica for a local or the family at the beach as aberrations. Yall are full a shit. You see what you want to see. Also, a couple that stays in the all inclusive will bring in more revenue than you will spend any day and its taxable.........................[/QUOTE]No mistakes on what you saw. The mistake is the guys who think the few trips they make a year and spend on putas or online chicas is bailing out the DR economy. Alex save your breath because the Pica Pollo high rollers will never believe you. I always admit I try to save a buck here and a buck there but at least I am not foolish enough to think the DR wouldn't exist without my few monger bucks. Then again with my numerous trips a year I probably spend the same yearly amount as a 4 or 5 trip guy. But the bottom line the way I see it The Monger Dollar Ain't Crap!

[QUOTE=Alex Deuce; 1147740]I really think I'm talking to kids sometime."A Dominican Republic that does not exist" Wow! I must have mistaken those tourist in the Colonial District for putas. I must have mistaken the Euro couple at the new plaza on George Washington for shoe shine kids. The group of businessmen at Jaragua and Malecon for touts and the british couple in Boca Chica for a local or the family at the beach as aberrations. Yall are full a shit. You see what you want to see. Also, a couple that stays in the all inclusive will bring in more revenue than you will spend any day and its taxable.

I hang with you guys. Why try to Bull Shiat Me. I know your a bunch a cheep bastards so stop with the "we spend big dollars" Bull Shit, some of you are the cheapest some of a biatches I have seen in my life. From Rio, to Coasta Rica back to DR yall have got to be the worst. I have had to pay several of you assholes bills while drinking with me because I could not stand you haggling over a 1, 000 vs. 900. Really, your going to sit hear and waste time out of my life over $3 dayum dollars. Especially after you ran the waiter in the ground for the last hour? You sit on here and in [email]person@Santo[/email] And brag about how you buy provisions at the market to save money, never pay the Tourist rates and then try to compare yourself to a normal tourist? Hell, I almost had to fight a couple of you for telling me what I should and should not pay to put my dick in a chick.

COME ON MAN! I'm CALLING HYPOCRITE! [/QUOTE]It is well known by most Mongers who frequent DR, that sometimes getting change after you purchase something in DR can be a pain. Oftentimes cashiers don't have many low denomination bills or many coins. I know one ISG member who goes to DR frequently, he told me will makes a scene when a cashier does not have enough coins to give him all his change, he will wait and make a scene over 5 pesos (13 cents US).

I know, when I do not have low denomination bills or loose coins, I will not buy certain low cost items at certain businesses in DR. I don't take it personally that a cashier might not have change and it is not worth it to have to wait 10-15 minutes over 13 cents and to fight and make a scene over 13 cents.

[quote=savepros321; 1150228]even still, what does the us care about haitians in the dr? haitians tricking in boca chica at that? if they are specifically referring to **** haitian prostitution then that is another thing. but your summary says the report mentioned overall there are more haitian women in the boca chica after the earthquake.

so is the us asking the dr to begin an ethnic cleansing of the haitians or else face economic sanctions (#6 in the summary)? [/quote][url]http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2010/wha/154503.htm[/url]

"washington's 'corrupt' label could cost dominicans us$200m (april 11, 2011) ; santo domingo- the dominican anticorruption alliance, adocco, warned sunday that the usa state department's report disclosed friday would keep dominican republic from accessing funds from the account of the millennium.

in said the report, which cites violation of human rights, killings and torture by police, subhuman prison conditions, a marked increase in people trafficking, violence against women, discrimination against minorities and a little enforcement of labor laws, stresses "instances in which security forces acted independently of civil control" last year.

but what most concerns adocco is the report's affirmation that "corruption is generalized in the dominican republic, ' an element it says would shut the doors to benefits of nearly us$200 million, from the account of the millennium."

[url]http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2011/4/11/39206/washingtons-corrupt-label-could-cost-dominicans-us200m[/url]

from the 2010 human rights report: dominican republic, us department of state (link for the full report is above) : "serious human rights problems included unlawful killings; beatings and other abuse of suspects, detainees, and prisoners; fair to harsh prison conditions; arbitrary arrest and detention of suspects; a large number of functionally stateless persons; widespread corruption; harassment of certain human rights groups; violence and discrimination against women; child prostitution and other abuses of children; trafficking in persons; severe discrimination against haitian migrants and their descendants; violence and discrimination against persons based on sexual orientation; ineffective enforcement of labor laws; and child labor."

[QUOTE=Jaosousa; 1150314][url]Http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2010/wha/154503.htm[/url]

"Washington's 'corrupt' label could cost Dominicans US$200M (April 11, 2011) ; Santo Domingo- The Dominican Anticorruption Alliance, ADOCCO, warned Sunday that the USA State Department's report disclosed Friday would keep Dominican Republic from accessing funds from the Account of the Millennium.

In said the report, which cites violation of human rights, killings and torture by police, subhuman prison conditions, a marked increase in people trafficking, violence against women, discrimination against minorities and a little enforcement of labor laws, stresses "instances in which security forces acted independently of civil control" last year.

But what most concerns ADOCCO is the report's affirmation that "Corruption is generalized in the Dominican Republic, ' an element it says would shut the doors to benefits of nearly US$200 million, from the Account of the Millennium."

[url]http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2011/4/11/39206/Washingtons-corrupt-label-could-cost-Dominicans-US200M[/url]

From the 2010 Human Rights Report: Dominican Republic, US Department of State (link for the full report is above) : "Serious human rights problems included unlawful killings; beatings and other abuse of suspects, detainees, and prisoners; fair to harsh prison conditions; arbitrary arrest and detention of suspects; a large number of functionally stateless persons; widespread corruption; harassment of certain human rights groups; violence and discrimination against women; child prostitution and other abuses of children; trafficking in persons; severe discrimination against Haitian migrants and their descendants; violence and discrimination against persons based on sexual orientation; ineffective enforcement of labor laws; and child labor."[/QUOTE]The DR will comply with whatever the US tells them to do:

[i]"The Dominican Republic's exports to the USA in 2008 were USA $4 billion, a 5. 6% decrease from 2007 but up 29% over the previous 14 years."[/i]

[url]http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/35639.htm[/url]

The people in power over in the Capital do not want the free money spigot turned off, so they will comply (if only temporarily) in order to get Washington to keep the cash flowing.

It will be interesting to see how the next Presidential election will play out in that country (if the candidates haven't been hand-picked by the US already). The reason the Japanese kicked the Portuguese out of their country long ago is because the Portuguese tried to tie in trade with converting the Japanese to Christians. Once the Dutch appeared on the scene (the Dutch cared nothing about religion and only wanted to trade) the Japanese were relieved.

I don't think the DR has the option of choosing its trading partners, plus they are currently competing with the Chinese in the textiles industry:

(From State Dept.) : [i]"The textiles sector-which constituted 53. 6% of FTZ exports in 2000-has increasingly played a smaller role in the FTZ sector. It experienced an estimated 19. 5% drop since 2008 (and a 63. 3% drop since 2000) due in part to the appreciation of the Dominican peso against the dollar, Asian competition following expiration of the quotas of the Multi-Fiber Arrangement, and a government-mandated increase in salaries."[/i]

[QUOTE=Jaosousa; 1150314][url]Http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2010/wha/154503.htm[/url]

"Washington's 'corrupt' label could cost Dominicans US$200M (April 11, 2011) ; Santo Domingo- The Dominican Anticorruption Alliance, ADOCCO, warned Sunday that the USA State Department's report disclosed Friday would keep Dominican Republic from accessing funds from the Account of the Millennium.

In said the report, which cites violation of human rights, killings and torture by police, subhuman prison conditions, a marked increase in people trafficking, violence against women, discrimination against minorities and a little enforcement of labor laws, stresses "instances in which security forces acted independently of civil control" last year.

But what most concerns ADOCCO is the report's affirmation that "Corruption is generalized in the Dominican Republic, ' an element it says would shut the doors to benefits of nearly US$200 million, from the Account of the Millennium."

[url]http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2011/4/11/39206/Washingtons-corrupt-label-could-cost-Dominicans-US200M[/url]

From the 2010 Human Rights Report: Dominican Republic, US Department of State (link for the full report is above) : "Serious human rights problems included unlawful killings; beatings and other abuse of suspects, detainees, and prisoners; fair to harsh prison conditions; arbitrary arrest and detention of suspects; a large number of functionally stateless persons; widespread corruption; harassment of certain human rights groups; violence and discrimination against women; child prostitution and other abuses of children; trafficking in persons; severe discrimination against Haitian migrants and their descendants; violence and discrimination against persons based on sexual orientation; ineffective enforcement of labor laws; and child labor."[/QUOTE]I am also surprised you haven't had any problems with the police the many times you have visited and driven on the island. The first half of the 2010 Human Rights Report you linked to has someone being killed by a police officer and a good number of them happened during traffic stops by the police.

That is some pretty fucked up conditions to be living under.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1150387]I am also surprised you haven't had any problems with the police the many times you have visited and driven on the island. The first half of the 2010 Human Rights Report you linked to has someone being killed by a police officer and a good number of them happened during traffic stops by the police.

That is some pretty fucked up conditions to be living under. [/QUOTE]People getting killed by the police unfortunately happens here almost on a daily basis. This is what the police calls "intercambio de balas" gunfire exchange with alleged criminals.

[QUOTE=Berthold;1150390]People getting killed by the police unfortunately happens here almost on a daily basis. This is what the police calls "intercambio de balas" gunfire exchange with alleged criminals.[/QUOTE]According to a report on Listin Diario 40% of gun fire deaths are caused by the police.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1150387]I am also surprised you haven't had any problems with the police the many times you have visited and driven on the island. The first half of the 2010 Human Rights Report you linked to has someone being killed by a police officer and a good number of them happened during traffic stops by the police.

That is some pretty fucked up conditions to be living under. [/QUOTE]I know one light skin African American Monger who doesn't stop for the police, when the police in DR have a type of traffic stop (where between 2-8 police are standing on the side of the road waving down cars to stop).

From the US report: "On July 3, police officers shot and killed an 81-year-old man, Elio Reyes Severino, a passenger in a vehicle ordered to stop while driving between Santo Domingo and Samana."

I have been stopped numerous times by the Policia Nacional, while driving in Santo Domingo. In zona oriental, on the other side of the river from the main part of Santo Domingo, there are Policia Nacional standing in the streets at night, stopping cars. I always stopped and those guys were always nice to me and told me to be careful. Parts of Zona Oriental are a little rough.

Other times Policia on motorcycles have told me to stop and those Policia riding motorcycles were looking for easy money and some were a little threatening in their manner.

If the Policia are friendly and polite to me, sometimes I will give them some small amount of money. The ones who are rude and threatening get nothing from me.

The Policia on the side of the road who have stopped me have been armed with shotguns or rifles that look like m-16s, most also carry 9 mm semi automatic pistols, all are usually wearing bullet proof vests. Some of those streets are dark.

One time I got stopped near the La Romana Airport, by guys who looked like soldiers, they were part of some drug interdiction force, they stopped and searched every car that drove near the airport that night, they were nice to me. They searched my car and I was free to go, I told them I was going to a place called Klimax (now called Scores, a pay for play venue with some very fine chicas) , the soldiers laughed and said have fun.

[QUOTE=BoricuaOnline;1150397]According to a report on Listin Diario 40% of gun fire deaths are caused by the police.[/QUOTE]Their mentality is shoot first and ask questions later. Sometimes you can even read in newspaper articles that the police is asking alleged criminals to turn themselves in in order to save their lifes

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1150387]I am also surprised you haven't had any problems with the police the many times you have visited and driven on the island. The first half of the 2010 Human Rights Report you linked to has someone being killed by a police officer and a good number of them happened during traffic stops by the police.

That is some pretty fucked up conditions to be living under. [/QUOTE]From what I understand most police in DR get very low salaries.

Chances of getting pulled over for nothing by the Policia are probably greater before major holidays like Navidad (Christmas) or Semana Santa (Easter week).

Some recent shutdowns of casas in Santo Domingo occurred around Semana Santa (a time when many Dominicans travel to different areas of the country for a vacation) , it could be possible some people were looking for some Semana Santa vacation money.

"The signature dish of Lent until the beginning of Holy Week is "Sweet Beans" (Habichuelas con Dulce or Habichuelas Dulces) a base of red beans, sweet spices such as cloves and cinnamon, sweet potato, condensed milk, shredded coconut and raisins, but each family has its own recipe and variation. The beans are usually served cold."

For 2011:

April 17, Palm Sunday.

April 18, Easter Monday.

April 19, Holy Tuesday.

April 20, Holy Wednesday.

April 21, Maundy Thursday.

April 22, Good Friday.

April 23, Holy Saturday

April 24, Easter Sunday

[QUOTE=Berthold;1150390]People getting killed by the police unfortunately happens here almost on a daily basis. This is what the police calls "intercambio de balas" gunfire exchange with alleged criminals.[/QUOTE]Another thing I found interesting: Whenever I ended up doing TLN I would always end up with the chicas that want to watch their novelas. Around this time is when the "Noticias" are on. I was very surprised that when reporting deaths in the DR the news cameras show the entire body. The first time I saw this they showed what looked to be a young Haitian man lying dead in the field (someone shot him). In the US the most they would show of a dead person is their shoes. The Haitiana in my room at the time was even more surprised that I was surprised, LOL (seeing as the people there are probably desensitized to the images of death in their news segments).

[QUOTE=Jaosousa; 1150600]From what I understand most police in DR get very low salaries.

Chances of getting pulled over for nothing by the Policia are probably greater before major holidays like Navidad (Christmas) or Semana Santa (Easter week).

Some recent shutdowns of casas in Santo Domingo occurred around Semana Santa (a time when many Dominicans travel to different areas of the country for a vacation) , it could be possible some people were looking for some Semana Santa vacation money.

"The signature dish of Lent until the beginning of Holy Week is "Sweet Beans" (Habichuelas con Dulce or Habichuelas Dulces) a base of red beans, sweet spices such as cloves and cinnamon, sweet potato, condensed milk, shredded coconut and raisins, but each family has its own recipe and variation. The beans are usually served cold."

For 2011:

April 17, Palm Sunday.

April 18, Easter Monday.

April 19, Holy Tuesday.

April 20, Holy Wednesday.

April 21, Maundy Thursday.

April 22, Good Friday.

April 23, Holy Saturday

April 24, Easter Sunday[/QUOTE]Everywhere else in the world Easter Monday is the day following Easter Sunday.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1150969]Everywhere else in the world Easter Monday is the day following Easter Sunday.[/QUOTE]LOL. This is the DR. I am sure the Cardinal is as open to bribes as anyone else here. The Church has been kissing the government's ass here for so many decades I am sure the President could move Christmas Day to the middle of July if he thought it would boost tourism.

I have been to Santo Domingo over the last 10 years and yet to have any major issues with the Police of any branch. I have been pulled over for Random Traffic Stops in a brand new Range Rover and a 87 Dotson with no lights. I have yet to receive a request for Propina / Bribe by both Federals in Trucks by they Bridge and locals on Bikes. I don't run from police in America and I damn sure am not going to run from police in a Foreign country. I do as I do here. I pull over in a lighted highly visible area.

I have had instances on the street, Hotels and Apartments where I was dead ass wrong for my actions and had the attending officer act utterly professional. However, I can say that when a situation has arisen from my own making or other Monger Hazards. 1,500 DOP is always the least I tip the Jefe for Disposal of after party remnants. Lot of you on here try to buck the service charge for cleaning up your messes. Generally, the Jefe is the one with the 45 in the front of the Bullet proof, the ones holding the mossberg Riot Pump and AR's are his subordinates The Captain and lieutenant bars helps. If you have mongered on Pastuer you know the young Tourist Police Captain and squad I'm referring to. If your getting harassed by him your a complete assholes.

As I have stated several times, I have yet to see locals (Aside for the Robbers, who will jack anyone) go out of their way to treat tourist bad. In fact, it is the opposite. What I have seen are tourist who try to take advantage of the locals and the home network takes care of them from all fascists of the society. You think your actions both good and bad do not get around?