Filipina Cellphone Etiquette

[QUOTE=Punter 127; 1238323]Regardless of how you define "employee" I think you will find that many of the girls working in the malls, stores, and other business' are working under a written contract generally for six months or a year at a time. Many of these workers are not allowed to bring their cell phone to work, I had a GF that worked at SM appliance store and she was not allowed to even have a cell phone in her locker.

So if a monger wants to make 'no cell phone' part of the negotiated deal it would be very much within the norm here, which is the point I was trying to make.[/QUOTE]I am not disputing your assertions in relation to girls working in malls, rather the P4P which is a contract for services in the mongering scenario as opposed to that of an employer / employee relationship. There are several tests which the law applies to determine whether employment relationships are contract for services or employee / employer and P4P fails many of these tests for employer / employee.

I think this is important because it can impact on the way a monger treats and interacts with the girl. An employer has much more control over the employee. If we accept that it is a contract for services then there would be more mutual negotiation and this would include use or non use of phone, as well as for services rendered.

[QUOTE=Python75;1238517]I am not disputing your assertions in relation to girls working in malls, rather the P4P which is a contract for services in the mongering scenario as opposed to that of an employer / employee relationship. There are several tests which the law applies to determine whether employment relationships are contract for services or employee / employer and P4P fails many of these tests for employer / employee.[/QUOTE]It's not worth delving into employment and contract law in this discussion. Of course asking a girl to be without her phone is perfectly legal. If the counter girl at Jollibees insists on chatting on her cellphone while on duty, she'd be fired.

The real question is, is forbidding personal phone use a fair and reasonable request if you're paying for her time. And the answer is a resounding YES. If a girl doesn't do anal, she can request "no anal" as a condition. We don't sit around analyzing if depriving someone of anal is against the law. What some people don't seem to realize is, the girl can (and often does) impose terms and restrictions of her own.

As long as both parties are over 18 and of sound mind, anything mutually agreed upon in good faith is fair and reasonable unless there is force or intimidation. I doubt any reasonable person would disagree.

It's funny we talk about whether holding a girl's phone is legal when taking a girl back to your hotel constitutes prostitution and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url], both of which are illegal in the Philippines. Even entering the Philippines to monger is illegal since their immigration laws forbid entering for an "immoral" purpose.

Are we really discussing the legality of "imprisoning" a womans cell phone? Contract law? Employer-employee legal responsibilities? Really? The legal rights given to her cell phone and the lenght of sentence it has to serve in a room safe, to be released early only upon good behavior? Really?

This debate is such a futile and redundant exercise in 'nit-picking' the details of an interaction that shouldn't be that difficult. At this rate guys will be keeping legal assistants on the payroll so they can accompany them to the hotel to take minutes of the contract negotiations before consummation. Geessh get a grip.

One only needs to look to the ongoing impeachment trial of SC Chief Justice Renato Corona to realize Western ideological rule of law does not exist in the Philippines. It's a shining example of how the rule of law is very selectively applied (at best) in the Philippines.

Guys who come to the Philippines and expect Western style rule of law to apply to short-time sexual encounters for money with young women need have there heads examined (Big Head) , or visit another Country it's as simple as that. If a SC Chief Justice and the Philippine Government has problems following the rule of law, what makes you think a 21yr old understands or cares about verbal contracts?

[QUOTE=David_33;1238441]I just ask them to turn off the phone when we get in the room. I had never considered sticking it in the safe.[/QUOTE]This should be the basis. Request to turn the Phone off. If she does willingly well and good. If she does not it is your choice to take her back to demand return of BF. Taking the phone away under or else scenario and locking up is not nice.

Anyway it is enough on this dispute of viewpoints. Let us get back and discuss our goal of finding girls experiences for our pleasure.

[QUOTE=David_33;1238441]I just ask them to turn off the phone when we get in the room. I had never considered sticking it in the safe.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure this is a good idea because then she will want to find out what else is in the safe. Maybe put the 1at$!) &$$ thing in the refrigerator?