Avoiding Freelancer Scams and Extortions

Anyone having any scam issues at present?

Of the Cebu ladies I've met on dating sites there is one lady hat concerns me. She works in an internet cafe and when we do webcam s=chat there is a community of 2-3 girls chatting and sharing stories with the chats ie they will check translations and replies with each other."Wow. This guy said he wants to go here, anyone know where that is?" Just seems strange to be sharing her info like that.

I know it is a numbers game, for the number of people that they, the number whom promise to meet etc, how do they know I'm genuine as well.

This lady is still quite pretty and tidy body. 21 ish.

I'm still up for meeting her just to see that tight body up close but will employ the standard MO:

Lock valuables away in the hotel room.

Meet in a neutral place (Ayala or SM)

Talk for too long and test her patience.

Enjoy myself.

Really looking forward to getting back there.

BD

[QUOTE=BrainDrain; 1317728][SNIP]but will employ the standard MO:

Talk for too long and test her patience.[/QUOTE]Well if you meet a filipina and talk about yourself, she will think you are maldito. She might text her friends under the table while looking directly at you, but really her mind is somewhere else. No need to look at her phone because she memorized her keypad.

Generally speaking filipinas have ALOT of patience. In fact most people in the Philippines have patience in excess. I don't think you have ever been inside a Pag-Ibig, Veco, NBI or DFA office.

When you walk in you are handed a priority number (example- number 582 but they are currently serving number 195). No one complains, no one screams, no one gets upset at the lack of customer service and a potential 6 hour wait to talk to someone. Acceptance is the name of the game and the guards have guns and everyone learned a long time ago it's futile to complain. After all the guy sitting next to you will have his number posted soon, while you will have a 4 hour wait only to realize you will not be served. The guard tells everyone at 5pm to leave and come back the following day. You ask the guard if you can have a low priority number for the next day. He tells you it's not fair, just line up at 3am with everyone else. A 6hour wait before the office even opens, now that's patience.

If you think a filipina will lose patience sitting and talking to a chatmate for an hour or two after you bought her a meal or drink, think again. Of course YMMV.

[QUOTE=Stroker Ace88; 1318232]Well if you meet a filipina and talk about yourself, she will think you are maldito. She might text her friends under the table while looking directly at you, but really her mind is somewhere else. No need to look at her phone because she memorized her keypad.

Generally speaking filipinas have ALOT of patience. In fact most people in the Philippines have patience in excess. I don't think you have ever been inside a Pag-Ibig, Veco, NBI or DFA office.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that feedback. You are right, I have no idea on that level of patience. I was thinking that if a scam was going down they would be trying to move it along.

So far, I've been Ok, just met honest Pinay. Maybe this trip I might meet a scammer.

[quote=mc don;1238281]as simmon said mongoing is for the brave if you are not prepared to take calculated risks then stay home and wack off in front of your screen.[/quote]i assume you meant mongering, not mongoing, whatever that is.

mongering is for the horny, but it does not take any bravery to get a cbj from an upscale safe well reviewed sp in canada. otoh, there is coming to the philippine islands to bang ignorant bar girls in the ass without a condom. that takes bravery, or should i say a love of wild adventure, a don't care attitude, foolishness or a death wish?

[quote=mc don;1238281]furryfrend please stop spreading crap about ac, blackmail is not common especially not for the visiting punter. in a year there is over million barfines there and at most there is 2-3 cases. for 2011 there were 2 that i am aware of one of a girl that accused a punter (girl was from geckos bar) which was sorted out quickly but we never got to hear what fully happened. from a girl that works in geckos i was told that the girl in question had scars when she went to the cops and the next day in the bar. again this could be just them trying to save their reputation but maybe there was more to it? all we got was one side of the story.[/quote]unless you are omnipresent, you can't say how many cases occur, only those that you are aware of. there may be far more that you never hear about that are kept quiet.

there was a recent report of three such incidents in the angeles city thread. following are a number of other reports of similar scams in the pi over the years, which may just be the tip of the iceburg as to the actual numbers occurring there:

[url]http://www.sexwork.com/philippines/rapebribe.html[/url]

[url]http://www.sexwork.com/philippines/contents.html[/url]

guys,

i am visitng phil in a few weeks time. i will cut short the details about the passion and messages exchange with this lady but believe me its very real to me. i met this gal online on cb. she is less than half my age. we sweet talked each other a bit once or twice on chat without webcam and she agreed to meet me and maybe travel with me (not sure what she had in mind but she said her aunt is like her local guardian and she is quiet liberal about it). the idea is that we might get married. then her aunt came online one day on webcam to see me. she said she was going to play chaperone on the trip and i could only kiss her and nothing more. her demeanour is quiet seductive which i fell for instantly. not like she tried to seduce me, but very soon she had to excuse herself and attend to work for half an hour, and i just fell head over heels as i watched her talk and laugh repeatedly to a male colleague at her desk on webcam all this while. after a little bit of chatting when she got free again, i complimented her on being so sexy and how i was falling in love with her and how i would marry her instead. before we knew it we were in a passionate and dirty chat with each other. at this stage, i was so driven by a long time erotic fantasy that i immediately mentioned the fantasy about me living with both women, one married legally the other secretly. now she says she would really love to marry me but will respect her niece and not hurt her. she then actually came eagerly on webcam the same night in a surprise to pop this question (if i would forget then niece and marry her instead) and we got dirty on cam too. i refused and explained to her why i wanted both and how important it was to my fantasies dreams and happiness. she then agreed to have me as a secret husband while i get to marry her niece.

we've now agreed to go sight seeing for a few days with her daughter (she is a single mom in her 30s) and niece so i can get to know them when i am there. initially she said book two rooms one for them and one for me and i could only steal her love secretly when the niece was baby sitting her daughter. we chatted scenarious of stealing each others love without the niece knowing about it, while she acted like a chaperone, quiet like a victorian era erotica novel. after a weeks chatting and exchanging personal mails, she now concedes, the niece can sleep with me at night. over the phone, although she is very jealous. because the niece loves me kinda and "we are going to be married next year anyways". i had asked her a few times on mail (in passion filled exchanges about our love triangle) if i could pop the niece's cherry but she never replied to it in writing on mail or chat. we see each other on webcam maybe thrice a week for 3 to 4 hours at a time exchanging passionate love notes with each other (and my jhonny is upright all the 4 hours!). i gaze at her as she goes about her office work and we are so passionate about each other, she is going to fly down to meet me when i land in mnl secretly for a few days to steal my love first. she literaaly begged me because i refused at first. (i wanted to monger in angeles, for some variety before hitting her). she says she hasn't made love in 3 years because she is a one man woman and is saving her puss for the right man. and she keeps demanding a promise that iwont sleep around. we are going to stay together and she flies back after a few days and then i make an appearance to her home town to greet her nieces parents. i want to believe our passion for each other is real and because she is the jealous kinda woman who likes her vanity and narcissm to be nicely stroked and i did just that very nicely on the chats. i don't beleive her feminine narcissm is at an unhealthy level at all mind you. she had spontaneously showed me her small tits on webcam the first night of camchat, like a real family woman stealing time with me (while her tiny daughter was fast asleep besides her) to gauge my reaction (if her narcissitic love supply would stop or continue to flow from my side) and if i would still like her and made noises about me making her horny on the day of her heaviest flow. my love talk really appears to turn her on. i beleive i really got her hooked. it feels real. and a few days back while chatting from office she was eager to check out my penis and made me show it to her. i mean i saw in her that real curiousity about how her lust is going to be satiated (as i've been promising her. that i needed to make love to her 4 times a day to be a happy lover.). i know it was not just a calculated dirty talk to arouse me.

the aunt claims she fell in love with a bad guy who made her really dirty and spoilt her sexually and how none of her nieces in her family would follow her example and how strict she is with them. now he has left her to be a single mom. she also claims to be a degree holder in business and an auditor working for government on contract. her talk and speech is smart and edcuated for sure. i've seen her paper work spread all over her desk and overheard her talking to colleagues, and she is for real. but she is also into a secret money lending business for her boss. the niece's brother is a money collector (goon?). on the webcam, i overheard her about filing a police case on someone.

now i am too tempted to let go of this chance. i am fit, look more than 10+ years younger, never fall sick and a good looker and they both like what i've described about me. the niece is a dream, she doesn't speak much english looks well behaved, maybe even coached on the occasional cam chat session but not too secretively, more with a helping hand by aunt. and all her cousins and relatives wanted to see me from a beach computer on a cousins birthday outing one day. i adore the aunts daughter and want to adopt her as my own. in fact to be honest, i am sure its not just my love talk but my strong expression of fatherly feelings for her daughter that has impressed her. i mean a very real reason for me looking for marriage so late in my life now (early 40ish) is the heartbreak i feel on seeing little one or two year old girls and not being a daddy myself. i get to play instant daddy with this arrangement and also have a beautiful young innocent wife although immature, together along with a sophisticated older and sexy woman as a secret lover in the house, someone who oozes sexuality in every little mannerism. (even her voice is so sexy, i feel like wow!)

so on one hand everyting looks good with an arrangement that will satisfy both my paternal instinct and erotic fantasy, if i make this happen next year and relocate (which i likely won't because i expect better money in other countries, which will make it a part-time triangle with only my would-be-wife living with me except on family visits back home). she particularly likes my promise of raising her daughter like my own. and i am also happy if this erotic love triangle is lived part-time just on vacation (in practical terms).

on the other hand i am paranoid about being scammed! what if the police come knocking after the aunt has let me sleep with her for a few nights when on the out of town visit? what if the aunt denies ever granting me permission? she now knows my real name address and arrival and departure times from phil. i had hidden it until a family webcam session from home showing the child sleeping and aunt supervising the nieces chat. somehow i decided i could trust them and explained my reason for the fake name and details. what do you say guys? please advice if you smell a scam. should i bail out? frankly i am not going completely, the only thing i might hold back is not popping her cherry if i get real paranoid, but that will be such a sorry few days for me to sacrifice the temptation.

the lightest scam i can live with, and i see it coming (i am not all convinced you see) is the living on dole scam. i wire a monthly fee to them to cover their parents cost of living (we've discussed supporting her parents) and the trick being getting many men to pay an annual fee to sleep with her for just a few days. but a large part of me really wants to believe and invest a little in this little dream. at least for a year until i go back again to marry her. (if it turns out real and she's still around for me). i can live with that to find a future with her.

its the potential [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] charge that frightens the shit out of me.

peeman

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You should re read your FR as it sounds a mix of Mills & Boon, fantasy, childish and outright " I have the words scammed tatttoed all over my body"

My advice is cut and run. As CM intimated (and it is so rare that CM and I agree on anything. Think pigs are flying tonight) you will be scammed one way or the other.

Come to the Philippines, go to bars, pick up girls and have fun. Don't bother with all the sight seeing stuff as you can do that in between your 4 times a day shagging

But if you ignore this advice you may end up another newspaper headline like other Aussies recently.

Your call

[quote=chocha monger;1418647]peeman, you're a very funny guy. are you going to get scammed? absolutely! .[/quote]i can see it coming too. the guy should use a bit of more common sense. how can someone be, either side, wedding material just by some video chat and some kinky images.

peeman you answered your own question the moment you posted you send the family cash and you have never met them.

look up "foreigner train-wreck scammed by filipina" online and you will see your picture there. but i guess in this case 'scammed' is too harsh a word because you're willingly sending money and you willingly gave your real name, arrival info.

you claim you have all this under control, but they are the ones in control. they have you hook, line, and sinker balls deep into this "fantasy" which will quickly turn into a tragedy.

[quote=chocha monger; 1418647]peeman, you're a very funny guy. are you going to get scammed? absolutely! the aunt knows that you're not marriage material. the minute you saw the aunt you wanted to fuck her too in addition to busting her niece's virgin pussy. right now they're thinking that you're not a serious man at all. that means they need to scam you for all you're worth the minute you land in the philippines. the henchman brother who collects debts for the filipino mobster has your name and arrival details. he might be waiting to take you for a ride out to tondo where you'll be found the next day with a. 45 caliber bullet in the brain and no cash or identification documents on your corpse.

the other scenario is that they'll let you get into a hotel room with the niece. then once you have your prick out trying to bust her cherry a few friendly policemen with big guns draw will bust into the room to rescue her. you'll be charged with [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] an **** girl, and maybe even molesting the baby too. your family will be selling the cow back home to wire the huge bribes needed to secure your deportation. filipino policemen love horny indians for this precise reason. you're headed for being the main ingredient in a curried foreigner sandwich.[/quote][quote=wicked roger; 1418674]you should re read your fr as it sounds a mix of mills & boon, fantasy, childish and outright " i have the words scammed tatttoed all over my body"

my advice is cut and run. as cm intimated (and it is so rare that cm and i agree on anything. think pigs are flying tonight) you will be scammed one way or the other.

come to the philippines, go to bars, pick up girls and have fun. don't bother with all the sight seeing stuff as you can do that in between your 4 times a day shagging

but if you ignore this advice you may end up another newspaper headline like other aussies recently.

your call[/quote]thanks guys! i will re-consider. yes its a bit of fantasy ride. i will tell the aunt tomorrow the plan is cancelled i guess. she's not ****. but still it makes sense. its the whole family setting on webcam that lulled me into a thinking maybe its ok. and the sleepover with the niece is going to happen a long way away from home by flight at a vacation spot. with the aunt and her baby in the next room. so i thought its not like bring in the local crowd with known scamster cops. i still wasn't entirely comfortable, paranoid that i am so decied to ask for advice. i certainly feel much more free and relaxed about my vacation thinking about plain mongering. i think i should just experience it for a few years before deciding.

peeman

[quote=stroker ace88; 1418691]peeman you answered your own question the moment you posted you send the family cash and you have never met them.

look up "foreigner train-wreck scammed by filipina" online and you will see your picture there. but i guess in this case 'scammed' is too harsh a word because you're willingly sending money and you willingly gave your real name, arrival info.

you claim you have all this under control, but they are the ones in control. they have you hook, line, and sinker balls deep into this "fantasy" which will quickly turn into a tragedy.[/quote]i appreciate your advice, but i have not been so naive as you describe. i only described the fantasy i created for me (or both of us) in the narrative like i wanted to believe in it. but i never fell for it totally in reality. theres always a watcher in the back of my mind. and i never sent them money, but the idea that i support the family was discussed. i did play a game last week, of backing off. when the aunt came forward with the proposal that its ok if i sleep with her to tempt me. it did raise some alarm bells in the back of my mind how she dangled the bait when it looked like they were going to lose me. the rest of the experience i described below was part of the game of enjoying a bit of dirty chat and watching and feeling the fun myself, seeing where it goes.

now that the time to confirm bookings and itinerary is close, i posted this because i don't have friends to share this with. before actually falling for the trap.

fwiw i am a little knowledgeable as an infosec person and social engineering and i've trained myself to be a little paranoid. but i played with temptation knowingly anyways, and voiced my dilemna on this thread to share.

all the same i appreciate your time and words of warning. i do not dismiss them.

i emailed her saying exactly why i am not going to meet her. i want to see her reaction over the next few days.

thanks everyone. you are right, there is plenty of pussy available in phil to enjoy and distract oneself with. i was flirting with danger knowingly for the thrill of it.

lastly since this is the only thread with a more serious tone i owe you guys on isg a lot. it is helping me pick up my life and put it into a different league slowly but steadily. last new years i was inspired to make a start after browsing isg and did 14 gals in 12 days in thailand. i didn't post because i didn't maintain a captains log book. and my memory of all the useful details faded when my post-vacation stupor went away. if any of you guys coming to bangalore, introduce yourself to me via pm and i will buy you a free beer!

warm regards.

peeman

no action on this thread in a while but it made for interesting reading.

replys were split, overly paranoid or just being cautious were the general responses.

has anyone ever heard first hand about any of these scams occuring? any real idea how rare or common they are? i realize that the ones where the guy paid up quickly will never be reported so any reliable qualitative information will be hard to get.

the advice about paying first policeman was a good idea. any idea what the going rate would be? 1 000 p 10 000 p more?

would wallet sized pictures of ben franklin be better than local currency?

i alm looking for non pros, hunting them on tagged and dating sites, will keep a record of conservations and sms's as back up. i always make sure she is of age, at least if she states several times that she is 18+ and you have a record of it, then you have some defence.

i also often will video, not for protection against a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] charge but for future viewing enjoyment. i'll do this more often.

happy humping.

kg.

[quote=kabulguy;1601078]

i alm looking for non pros, hunting them on tagged and dating sites, will keep a record of conservations and sms's as back up. i always make sure she is of age, at least if she states several times that she is 18+ and you have a record of it, then you have some defence.



kg.[/quote]there is no, repeat no defence to the **** charge. she can and would say " but sir, he made me write / type / text that i was over 18 ". and guess what, she would be believed. you as the foreigner would not be believed.

never ever get involved with anyone ****. the prisons there are holes in which you wouldn't want to shove a pig.

[quote=freebiefan;1601089]....

never ever get involved with anyone ****. the prisons there are holes in which you wouldn't want to shove a pig.[/quote]i would never knowlengly get involved with someone ****. had a girl from an escort agency in manila once and she offered to call her friend who was 17 to come over the next night for same as escort agency fee was for one and i could have both.

ran from that as fast as i could.

simply is not worth the hassle. otoh helping a virgin celebrate her 18th birthday by becoming a non virgin is fine with me.

propblem is knowing for sure that she is of legal age.

[quote=peeman;1418721]i appreciate your advice, but i have not been so naive as you describe. i only described the fantasy i created for me (or both of us) in the narrative like i wanted to believe in it. but i never fell for it totally in reality. theres always a watcher in the back of my mind. and i never sent them money, but the idea that i support the family was discussed. i did play a game last week, of backing off. when the aunt came forward with the proposal that its ok if i sleep with her to tempt me. it did raise some alarm bells in the back of my mind how she dangled the bait when it looked like they were going to lose me. the rest of the experience i described below was part of the game of enjoying a bit of dirty chat and watching and feeling the fun myself, seeing where it goes.

now that the time to confirm bookings and itinerary is close, i posted this because i don't have friends to share this with. before actually falling for the trap.

fwiw i am a little knowledgeable as an infosec person and social engineering and i've trained myself to be a little paranoid. but i played with temptation knowingly anyways, and voiced my dilemna on this thread to share.

all the same i appreciate your time and words of warning. i do not dismiss them.

i emailed her saying exactly why i am not going to meet her. i want to see her reaction over the next few days.

thanks everyone. you are right, there is plenty of pussy available in phil to enjoy and distract oneself with. i was flirting with danger knowingly for the thrill of it.

lastly since this is the only thread with a more serious tone i owe you guys on isg a lot. it is helping me pick up my life and put it into a different league slowly but steadily. last new years i was inspired to make a start after browsing isg and did 14 gals in 12 days in thailand. i didn't post because i didn't maintain a captains log book. and my memory of all the useful details faded when my post-vacation stupor went away. if any of you guys coming to bangalore, introduce yourself to me via pm and i will buy you a free beer!

warm regards.

peeman[/quote]pm, you are trying to fuck the aunt while you are making big promises to the young virgin. please man up and don't cry like a little girl when you get fucked over. in my book, hopefully soon!