Rio de Janeiro Reports

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;2224790]Those places you mentioned are for amateurs that are shooting fishing in a bucket, not even a barrel.

If you are only used to those type of places; stay far from Rio, the place would eat you alive![/QUOTE]And that what makes Rio or Sao Paulo so exciting, I would be bored as hell with places like that.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2221573]Where is this Paris Cafe?[/QUOTE]Barra de Tijuca.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2223168]I spoke to him a numberof times at different clubs. He even gave me his number once when he invited me to a show in a favela. Nice person a good performer, he will be missed.[/QUOTE]RIP MC Catra. This song was and still is the bomb.

[URL]https://youtu.be/B0RpUY5Nmtg[/URL]

[QUOTE=Mangera;2225004]Barra de Tijuca.[/QUOTE]Went there years ago and liked it. It's actually all the way in Recreio, which is past Barra de Tijuca. Not a lot going on in that area that I could tell, other than a nice beach and decent surfing.

[QUOTE=JamieStarr38;2224955]And that what makes Rio or Sao Paulo so exciting, I would be bored as hell with places like that.[/QUOTE]Yep, pretty boring, better you stay home, LOL.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2225087]Yep, pretty boring, better you stay home, LOL.[/QUOTE]Well, I think the OP is just yanking our chain or throwing out flame bait, at this point. Someone who thinks Rio or Sao Paolo are boring places, but needs to find a "safe place" to get an erection in? That's hard to take very seriously.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;2224790]Those places you mentioned are for amateurs that are shooting fishing in a bucket, not even a barrel.

If you are only used to those type of places; stay far from Rio, the place would eat you alive![/QUOTE]One has to start somewhere, especially if one has poor language skills. I started that way in Medellin, Colombia and I am thankful for that. As my Spanish improved, I moved on. Not everyone starts as an expert.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2225126]One has to start somewhere, especially if one has poor language skills. I started that way in Medellin, Colombia and I am thankful for that. As my Spanish improved, I moved on. Not everyone starts as an expert.[/QUOTE]Nobody starts as an expert. But, nobody learns unless they take a chance. And mongering has always been about risks. My Spanish is lousy. I can't barely speak a dozen words in Spanish when I went to Medellin over two years ago. I had a great time. My Spanish was marginally better when I arrived in the DR last year. I took some risks and pulled some dicey girls off the streets and businesses where management had no control over who went in and out. It was a challenge, I had one serious confrontation and yes it was fun. Went to Bogota for this past labor day weekend and after some tutoring I spoke some basic Spanish. However that didn't prevent some misunderstandings regarding prices, but I still had a great time and came back with my hide intact (see my trip reports on the Bogota thread).

These forums have reports by people who walked down La Linea in Guatemala City or strip clubs in Lagos. I have walked around Avenue La Greiff In Medellin's Centro after dark to look at the street meat. Not recommended but somebody has to do so you don't have to. That was my first trip to Latin America, period. I've walked into dark compounds in Bali only to have guys walk out of the shadows and say "You need lady?" only to find out that these were safe and friendly spots for great, cheap sex with tiny Asian girls.

What does this website say at the top of the page? Money is world's greatest aphrodisiac. And guess what? Money is also the language of short-term love. I have yet to monger in a country where money has not transcended all linguistic barriers.

The internet has created a class of low level mongers. Some will ascend or others will stay in their "safe place" bubbles, seeking out the first-world safety of the FKK clubs in Germany or places like the Mansion in MDE as long as they have the substantial cash for it. But, for those who aspire for more, low level mongers will never get much respect. We can't help you go to places we never went to and never will go to unless we find ourselves in a wheelchair.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2225126]One has to start somewhere, especially if one has poor language skills. I started that way in Medellin, Colombia and I am thankful for that. As my Spanish improved, I moved on. Not everyone starts as an expert.[/QUOTE]I understand your point. However, knowing the language has nothing to do with having a blast in a different country.

I had the time of my life when I went to Rio for carnival in 2004 and 2006 and I did not speak the language. Returned last December after learning some basic phrases; had a great time.

My first time in the DR, Sosua, 9-10 years ago, that was my best trip in the DR ever; again, I did not speak a word of the language.

I've been exploring many countries since 1978 (thanks to the Navy), and personally, I would be bored to death in places like Black Beards Resort and Casa Blanca.

But then again, everyone has their own safety zone.

[QUOTE=Bliadun;2224628]Black Beards Resort in the Puerto Plata, Dominican Republic or Casa Blanca (or whatever name they use now) in Medellin, Colombia.[/QUOTE]No but the nursery stage in rio would be the big termas where you pay a lot and it's a safe environment a la Mc solarium 4 x 4 Centaurus etc I started there with zero portugues and had a blast. Now I've outgrown them years ago due to language and cultural fluency so non pro scene and occasional trash or lower terma is fine but yes it's a gentle intro to Rio.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;2225146]I understand your point. However, knowing the language has nothing to do with having a blast in a different country.[/QUOTE]I went to four cities in Vietnam and had a blast. I even went mongering in the hood. I can't even say Hello, in Vietnamese. Hell, if someone told me Hello in Vietnamese I would have no idea what they were saying.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;2225146]I understand your point. However, knowing the language has nothing to do with having a blast in a different country.

I had the time of my life when I went to Rio for carnival in 2004 and 2006 and I did not speak the language. Returned last December after learning some basic phrases; had a great time.[/QUOTE]If you dealing with Pros in Termas or Mabs, Then you don't need to know a lick of Portuguese. Knowing Portuguese helps a lot in Brazil especially with Non-Pros, Even if your dealing with a Pro, I can almost guarantee you will get better GFE treatment.

Learning Portuguese will open up a new world to you instead of just seeing Brazil through the lens of a gringo.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2215692]Just came back from Rio. Stayed in an oceanfront Airbnb on Atlantica and Lemos for about $50 a day. Screw hotels.

Had 2 outstanding encounters. One at 4 X4 with a lovely morena. India approached me first, but I didn't mind, love those morenas. She refused to have a drink when I offered, which is a very good sign. We sat and cuddled near the dance stage for about 20 minutes, then got into the room right before 6. Very enthusiastic, nice and slow BJ, all positions, nice (fake, but nice) moans, finished with her underneath and her legs squeezed together. That's one position that helps me shoot my load when it's enough already.

Laid on the bed, she's in my arms, then she suggested another round. I knew I wouldn't be able to shoot again, but what the fuck we still had time. We fucked for another 15 minutes or so, then there was a knock on the door, but she ignored it. Unfortunately, it wasn't meant to be for the second time, so I just pulled out and took her number before saying goodbyes. The damage was are $389 (9 for a soda).

Another good encounter was at Eden Spa of all places at Nossa Senhora 583, 4th floor. Pricey at $200 for 30 minutes and only 4 girls in a line-up when I got there around 9. Luckily, 2 of them were hot. The first one was Halle Berry lookalike, Mia or something, and the other one was Leticia. I told the attendant I wanted Mia, but she (or was it he, does anyone know if it's a dude or a woman?) whispered that Mia was no good, whatever that means. So I asked for Leticia and she was a winner..[/QUOTE]Hi there,

Thank you for your report. Could you please provide a link to your Airbnb please. Looking into apartments now for a trip there in February. Any help would be appreciated.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2225307]I went to four cities in Vietnam and had a blast. I even went mongering in the hood. I can't even say Hello, in Vietnamese. Hell, if someone told me Hello in Vietnamese I would have no idea what they were saying.[/QUOTE]Are your Vietnamese reviews up on the Vietnam forum? What cities and time period? Thanks.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2226424]Are your Vietnamese reviews up on the Vietnam forum? What cities and time period? Thanks.[/QUOTE]I wondered the same thing. That's why I will continue to post passport stamps that correlate with my visits. I'd hate it if my own trip reports lacked veracity.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2226446]I wondered the same thing. That's why I will continue to post passport stamps that correlate with my visits. I'd hate it if my own trip reports lacked veracity.[/QUOTE]Just to be clear, I'm not challenging the veracity of anything.

Vietnam is a wonderful country to visit. I think Vietnamese women are very beautiful. From my limited experience, the scene is always changing, but there is always something cooking for mongers. Hey, it's Asia. Those Asian guys are dogs.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2226467]Just to be clear, I'm not challenging the veracity of anything.[/QUOTE]Understood. But, I usually am.

[QUOTE=Starlord1;2225482]Hi there,

Thank you for your report. Could you please provide a link to your Airbnb please. Looking into apartments now for a trip there in February. Any help would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]I tried to send you a Private Message but couldn't, so if you'd like pay for the PM privilege I'll be happy to send you the link. Otherwise, I'd rather not post links to private apartments in open forums; call it paranoid, but whatever.

I strongly recommend you pay for the subscription. A lot of info can be found not on these pages, but when you talk to fellow members.

If the money's tight, you can easily find this listing on Airbnb. Just look for a cheap 1 B with the ocean views on Atlantica in Copa.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2226467]Just to be clear, I'm not challenging the veracity of anything.

Vietnam is a wonderful country to visit.[/QUOTE]I get it. They are going to hate. But I still like to feed the trolls every now and then bro. It not only keeps things interesting, but makes them look stupid as well.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2226490]I get it. They are going to hate. But I still like to feed the trolls every now and then bro. It not only keeps things interesting, but makes them look stupid as well.[/QUOTE]My brother and friend, you don't have to justify shit to anyone on this board! I personally know you and you are a world traveler. Not everyone posts trip reports, thus, no worries.

If I want information about Vietnam, I know damn well you would provide me the information.

Fuck these armatures that don't add anything to this site!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2226490]I get it. They are going to hate. But I still like to feed the trolls every now and then bro. It not only keeps things interesting, but makes them look stupid as well.[/QUOTE]Your Vietnam Visa says Single Entry. You went all the way to Vietnam for one SOG???

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2226788]Your Vietnam Visa says Single Entry. You went all the way to Vietnam for one SOG???[/QUOTE]Astute observation, my friend. But, bear in mind that one can find an image of just about anything on the internet. Google the phrase VietNam visa, and look under the Images, and you will have countless images to pull off these here internets. Its easy to grab some image on just about any subject and download it off the internet. I gave that a lot of thought myself and I realized that it would be a different story to post an image of your visa or passport stamp laying on a sheet of paper with your screen name on it. But, to get down to what I'm really getting at, I have posted all my passport stamps that relate to all my numerous field reports on this site.

Now if you notice, my passport is laying on a piece of paper with my screen name on it. That is something that you can not just pull off the internet. Your screen name physically laying next to the image of your screen name, not digitally printed onto the image is something that makes the image unique. For example, I Googled the phrase "Vietnam Visa Wyatt Earp" and you know what I came up with? Lots of images of Wyatt Earp and lots of images of old time firearms. And that's why I posted my passport stamps for my field reports for my trips this past year to SE Asia and to Bogota over the Labor Day weekend. There are too many charlatans on internet forums posing as experts. Thanks to the plethora of info about anything on the internet, its easy for anyone who has never been 50 miles from home to portray himself as a man of the world on internet forums. Consider this example of an impressive young man who convinced experienced travelers that he was an expert on adventure travel. Problem was, he was a con man.

[URL]https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/the-mysterious-heir-of-extreme-travel-630274/[/URL]

I hope that clarifies my quest for veracity on this forum.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2226788]Your Vietnam Visa says Single Entry. You went all the way to Vietnam for one SOG???[/QUOTE]

Five and a half years ago? I have sensed that you usually make a very positive impression wherever you go. Women seem quite taken by you, often eager to pay their own way and yours as well. Five and a half years is a long time, considering you could have raked in dividends many times from the positive impressions you presumably created.

Yes I'm back again, I tend to come back when I see the prices drop to see what the climate is in Rio.

It just depresses me to read and see its dead in Rio. I know, I know. Brothels and prives. But that's just not the true Rio.

With flights from Atl to Rio $748 round trip non-stop Delta I don't know if I can pass up on a trip even if the scene is not popping.

I know ill finally have to go to 4 x4,. Monta Carlo etc. To find some quality. But did I read correctly the one post the poster spent $300+ USA Dollers in 4 x4 for a hour or so?

Iis there any quality to be found in some of the other spots that have seen mentioned like Mariuzinn or the spot near Mabbs?

Reading some of the post for a club to work it has to be in the Copa area walking distance it has to be a large nice club, not just some hole in the wall place.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2226788]Your Vietnam Visa says Single Entry. You went all the way to Vietnam for one SOG???[/QUOTE]The internet forums make everything seem literal. This was a lame attempt at a joke.

One SOG (shot on goal), Single Entry visa. Well, it seemed funny when I wrote it. Don't drink and post!

Verify trip-reports with passport stamps? What will be the next? Photos of used condoms to verify sessions?

Since I've mentioned numerous times my first time in Rio was 1980 here is a pic of my 1980 Brazil Visa.

[QUOTE=Rio Bob;2227133]Since I've mentioned numerous times my first time in Rio was 1980 here is a pic of my 1980 Brazil Visa.[/QUOTE]
That's impressive! I wish I've seen Brazil in 1980 (but not as a kid).
Considering there were a lot of hairy (not meaning small Chaplins) girls in Brazil 1991, how was in 1980? Big bushes?

[QUOTE=RioBob;2227133]Since I've mentioned numerous times my first time in Rio was 1980 here is a pic of my 1980 Brazil Visa.[/QUOTE]Wow 1980! I'm going to say it that's LEGEN. Wait for it. DARY.

I've been visiting Brazil since the early 90's. It was amazing. A young, foreign guy could pursue pros, non-pros and civilians very easily. Civilians were actually happy to be seen with a tourist (ymmv). The stigma that set in over time increased year by year as more and more men discovered Rio thanks to the internet.

[QUOTE=Rio6160;2226957]Yes I'm back again, I tend to come back when I see the prices drop to see what the climate is in Rio.

It just depresses me to read and see its dead in Rio. I know, I know. Brothels and prives. But that's just not the true Rio.

With flights from Atl to Rio $748 round trip non-stop Delta I don't know if I can pass up on a trip even if the scene is not popping.

I know ill finally have to go to 4 x4,. Monta Carlo etc. To find some quality. But did I read correctly the one post the poster spent $300+ USA Dollers in 4 x4 for a hour or so?

Iis there any quality to be found in some of the other spots that have seen mentioned like Mariuzinn or the spot near Mabbs?

Reading some of the post for a club to work it has to be in the Copa area walking distance it has to be a large nice club, not just some hole in the wall place.[/QUOTE]300 $? In 4 x 4? Loool gtfooh. I don't know which posts you've been reading but they're feeding you BS. Less than 100 $ US for an hour broski and who said Rio is dead? Yes if you're an uber gringo maybe but Rio got plenty to offer. A new club doesn't have to be located in Copa to work. Depends on the price range-sometimes cheaper produces more traffic. Monte Carlo is a joke now-an expensive joke. On you. : Ivan has lost the plot and doesn't know who to market to anymore as gringos have stopped coming en masse. His recruitment might as well have been done by Stevie Wonder. Welcome to Rio.

[QUOTE=Rio Bob;2227133]Since I've mentioned numerous times my first time in Rio was 1980 here is a pic of my 1980 Brazil Visa.[/QUOTE]
Just curious, after your visit in 1980 did you have a Brazil-pause until 1988? Were there big changes between these visits? Brazilians hardly wants to comment the time during the military dictatorship

[QUOTE=Sperto;2227147]That's impressive! I wish I've seen Brazil in 1980 (but not as a kid).
Considering there were a lot of hairy (not meaning small Chaplins) girls in Brazil 1991, how was in 1980? Big bushes?[/QUOTE]LOL hairy? I actually remember the first girl I ever met in Rio, can picture her face but what was between her legs? I don't remember, probably manicured somewhat but not bald LOL. I was staying at the Rio Palace which is now Sofitel in Copa, the Cafe next door Pigalle must have been 25 girls sitting there. I had no idea they were hookers, I told my friend something is up with this place all these beautiful girls are looking at us. The rest is history.


[QUOTE=Sperto;2227175]Just curious, after your visit in 1980 did you have a Brazil-pause until 1988? Were there big changes between these visits? Brazilians hardly wants to comment the time during the military dictatorship[/QUOTE]

From 1980 to 1987 I went to Rio 35 times, I worked for Pan American airways at the time and flew everywhere. To be honest I had no idea about Military dictatorship, I was young and having a good time. Copacabana was packed with girls in every cafe, Franks bar, Barbarellas, Club Erotika etc. Help didn't open until 1984 but really wasn't a monger destination. I frequented places like Regines in the Meridian hotel, Crocodile in The Rio Othon Palace and Hippopotamus in Ipanema where Barronetti was. Girls were cheap and next day they would show up at your hotel to go out again, many times money wasn't even discussed but paid anyway just to set it straight.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2227174]300 $? In 4 x 4? Loool gtfooh. I don't know which posts you've been reading but they're feeding you BS. Less than 100 $ US for an hour broski and who said Rio is dead? Yes if you're an uber gringo maybe but Rio got plenty to offer. A new club doesn't have to be located in Copa to work. Depends on the price range-sometimes cheaper produces more traffic. Monte Carlo is a joke now-an expensive joke. On you. : Ivan has lost the plot and doesn't know who to market to anymore as gringos have stopped coming en masse. His recruitment might as well have been done by Stevie Wonder. Welcome to Rio.[/QUOTE]From Xpartan's post from 8-23-18.

Well maybe he just spent that much, maybe he had a real real good time.

[QUOTE=Rio6160;2227188]From Xpartan's post from 8-23-18.

Well maybe he just spent that much, maybe he had a real real good time.[/QUOTE]He was talking about Reals not dollars: "The damage was are $389 (9 for a soda). ".

[QUOTE=RioBob;2227200]He was talking about Reals not dollars: "The damage was are $389 (9 for a soda). ".[/QUOTE]Oh Okay,

People please put the "R" in there. R$389. LOL.

[QUOTE=Rio Bob;2227179]LOL hairy? I actually remember the first girl I ever met in Rio, can picture her face but what was between her legs? I don't remember, probably manicured somewhat but not bald LOL.[/QUOTE]
This week I went through old Brazil photos, 1991-2018. Throwing away more or less one thousand of old photos (I hope the garbish guy don't open the plastic bags). It was a nice memory walk to sort out the best photos. What I noticed where the bushes and the bikinis, how they have changed during the years. In the nineties, slimmer girls, more natural tits, no silicone and bushes (I do prefer shaved or landing strips).

However, I noticed how Copacabana (and Brazil in general) have changed. Help, Meia Pataca, the quiosques and ho-beach have changed a lot.
I would rate:
1991-1996 as number 1 (the Golden days, tons of women everywhere in Copacabana)
1997-1998 as number 2 (the start of the cleaning up in Brazil in a small scale)
1999-2010 as number 3 (many brazilian mongering scenes getting killed, and many of the Copa-veterans leaving the sunking ship)
2010-2014 as number 4 (Copa mongering on the final stage)
2015-... as number 5 (the mongering scene in Rio being limited to Mabs, thermas, privés and trash)

I guess Brazil 1980-1991 might have been even better?

[QUOTE=RioBob;2227133]Since I've mentioned numerous times my first time in Rio was 1980 here is a pic of my 1980 Brazil Visa.[/QUOTE]Thanks for posting that, Bob. Now remind me how much it costed back then? I recall at one point in the 80's it was $50 USD for American Citizens, which was a bit of cash for a young guy in and out of college at the lower end of the wage scale. I'd be curious, what was the price range of the girls back then.

[QUOTE=RioBob;2227179]LOL hairy? I actually remember the first girl I ever met in Rio, can picture her face but what was between her legs? I don't remember, probably manicured somewhat but not bald LOL. I was staying at the Rio Palace which is now Sofitel in Copa, the Cafe next door Pigalle must have been 25 girls sitting there. I had no idea they were hookers, I told my friend something is up with this place all these beautiful girls are looking at us. The rest is history.




From 1980 to 1987 I went to Rio 35 times, I worked for Pan American airways at the time and flew everywhere. To be honest I had no idea about Military dictatorship, I was young and having a good time. Copacabana was packed with girls in every cafe, Franks bar, Barbarellas, Club Erotika etc. Help didn't open until 1984 but really wasn't a monger destination. I frequented places like Regines in the Meridian hotel, Crocodile in The Rio Othon Palace and Hippopotamus in Ipanema where Barronetti was. Girls were cheap and next day they would show up at your hotel to go out again, many times money wasn't even discussed but paid anyway just to set it straight.[/QUOTE]Funny I went to rio in 2006 and even then I would still see the little soul patch on their puss.

I will say one thing, I noticed many Brazillian girls tend to have larger clits. Maybe that is why their sexdrive is so much higher and more intense.

Thanks for all the contribution. I was looking for thru the internet archve to try and find old photos of Help from the 2006-2007 era. It was just an amazing time. Only thing was, the DJ played the same exact playlist every single night!

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2227294]Funny I went to rio in 2006 and even then I would still see the little soul patch on their puss.

I will say one thing, I noticed many Brazillian girls tend to have larger clits. Maybe that is why their sexdrive is so much higher and more intense.

Thanks for all the contribution. I was looking for thru the internet archve to try and find old photos of Help from the 2006-2007 era. It was just an amazing time. Only thing was, the DJ played the same exact playlist every single night![/QUOTE]I love the memories. Do you mind posting some of the photos? I would love to see some old Help photos girls or no girls in the shot.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2227294]I will say one thing, I noticed many Brazillian girls tend to have larger clits. Maybe that is why their sexdrive is so much higher and more intense.[/QUOTE]Nahhh. Many Brazilian girls do not tend to have larger clits; that is only the ones that use steroids. Old Help photo.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2227112]Verify trip-reports with passport stamps? What will be the next? Photos of used condoms to verify sessions?[/QUOTE]LOL. We can go there too!

[QUOTE=RioBob;2227200]He was talking about Reals not dollars: "The damage was are $389 (9 for a soda). ".[/QUOTE]I was indeed, sorry for the misunderstanding.

I'd rather assign the job to one of my hands than pay actual $400 to a professional for releasing a few mls of my bodily fluids.

Regarding Help.

Before Help was built there used to be a palace, Casa do Vaticano. First it was a kind of simple house. Later around 1930 it was turned into a palace looking house. It was built by an italian earl, Conde Innodare, who was married to a polish ballet dancer, Estephania Paskovitej.
https://1.bp.bl*gspot.com/-qLz16d6VKdg/WRrUnFobpQI/AAAAAAAAAnU/I0MHXY_gDgsmc9n6HcHGo7h5WRvql5S3gCLcB/s1600/9238%2BCasa%2Bdo%2BVaticano%2BSzendrodi.jpg

Later the house was abandoned and invaded by homeless people.
https://3.bp.bl*gspot.com/-R2egLhrrKaw/WRwbgsQmjpI/AAAAAAAAAn0/FoFRJHkDXmc97hIDEetC-XAHVYI0vo3-wCLcB/s1600/9243%2BCasa%2BVaicano.jpg

In 1984 a spanish guy, Chico Recarey, constructed Discoteca Help. First it worked as a fancy disco. What I heard it used to be mainly white people visiting the disco the first years. Later they allowed coloured girls to enter, this in combination with gringos turned the disco into a monger-temple.
The governor Sérgio Cabral put an end to Help in 2010.

http://www.rioquepassou.com.br/2011/12/05/casa-do-vaticano-1971/
http://saudadesdoriodoluizd.bl*gspot.com/2017/05/casa-do-vaticano_17.html
https://revistatrip.uol.com.br/tpm/a-pista-quente-da-help-fecha-as-portas

*=0

Sperto,

Wasn't there a family with a Polish name linked to the ownership of the Help property towards the end? Any relation to the Count's wife?

By the way, I couldn't get those links to work. They're some long hyperlinks. Not sure the problem.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2227486]Sperto,

Wasn't there a family with a Polish name linked to the ownership of the Help property towards the end? Any relation to the Count's wife?

By the way, I couldn't get those links to work. They're some long hyperlinks. Not sure the problem.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]
I don't know about the ownership.
The links should work if you change the "*" to "o" (it's impossible to post the word b l o g s p o t).

[QUOTE=Sperto;2227243]I guess Brazil 1980-1991 might have been even better?[/QUOTE]I was there December 1985 to March 1986 on vacation and it was one of the best times of my life! Stayed in Rio at a local's hotel for $15/ night about six blocks from the beach. So easy to meet hot girls despite the language barrier. Hell, one carioca chick, thin but big tits, I met on Copacabana took me out dancing with two of her hot girlfriends for a night to remember. So many happy memories!

[QUOTE=Sperto;2227243]
I guess Brazil 1980-1991 might have been even better?[/QUOTE]Rio was much more innocent in the 80's, up front money was never discussed it was like a GFE and next day or when they were leaving we would talk about a present for them usually 15 to 25 dollars. As you know the currency was the Cruzeiro and we exchanged the money in jewelry stores or bell hops and got 20 to 40 % above official rate which made everything extremely cheap. Before Help girls were spread out evenly across Ave. Atlantica, whatever hotel we were staying at all you had to do was go to the nearest cafe and there were many girls there unlike today. After Help everything seemed to be concentrated in one place or another.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2227256]Thanks for posting that, Bob. Now remind me how much it costed back then? I recall at one point in the 80's it was $50 USD for American Citizens, which was a bit of cash for a young guy in and out of college at the lower end of the wage scale. I'd be curious, what was the price range of the girls back then.[/QUOTE]$50 for the visa sounds a little high especially because it was only good for 3 months so in those days we were going to NY to the consulate several times a year to get a new Visa, so I would suspect it was about $25. Luckily as years went by they started with 5 year visa and now 10 which is great.

[QUOTE=RioBob;2227526]Rio was much more innocent in the 80's, up front money was never discussed it was like a GFE and next day or when they were leaving we would talk about a present for them usually 15 to 25 dollars. As you know the currency was the Cruzeiro and we exchanged the money in jewelry stores or bell hops and got 20 to 40 % above official rate which made everything extremely cheap. Before Help girls were spread out evenly across Ave. Atlantica, whatever hotel we were staying at all you had to do was go to the nearest cafe and there were many girls there unlike today. After Help everything seemed to be concentrated in one place or another.

$50 for the visa sounds a little high especially because it was only good for 3 months so in those days we were going to NY to the consulate several times a year to get a new Visa, so I would suspect it was about $25. Luckily as years went by they started with 5 year visa and now 10 which is great.[/QUOTE]Thanks for clarifying those details. I admit I was a bit confused when I first heard the term Real a while back, because the term Cruzeiro was stuck in mind from long ago. But, what where the mechanics behind an official rate and the rate locals got? Was this a scenario like the Eastern Bloc during the Cold War, where the official rate to Western currencies for the tourists was different from what a local could obtain? I understand inflation caused the currency of Brazil to change periodically in the late 20th century. But, I'm thinking the junta might have enacted some bad economic and financial policies as such regimes typically do.

Now that I think about it, the sum of $50 was likely through a third party visa service back then. Now, the consulate in NYC lists it as $160 USD for US citizens and half that for most anyone else ($180 USD if you are from Angola, one of the few other nations in the world where Portuguese is the official language, oddly enough). I found the e-visa was only $117 though that is chump change for what I expect to blow on working girls if I ever get there. But back in my early adulthood, I had traveled a bit around Western Europe for less than $10 a day, so $50 was not a small amount to me in the early 80's.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2227370]The governor Sergio Cabral put an end to Help in 2010.[/QUOTE]Sergio Cabral, Filho the Puta!! Karma got to him. He is currently being held at the Gericin penitentiary in Bangu, Rio de Janeiro, for corruption and money laundering. Crooked bastard is accused of embezzling more than $80 million USD. On 13 June 2017, he was sentenced to 14 years and two months. On 20 September 2017 he was sentenced to an additional 45 years imprisonment for embezzlement. However, Fa-King Brazilian law, limits sentences to 30 years actually served. All those people he put out of work, put a Macumba curse on him.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2227693]But, what where the mechanics behind an official rate and the rate locals got? Was this a scenario like the Eastern Bloc during the Cold War, where the official rate to Western currencies for the tourists was different from what a local could obtain?[/QUOTE]In the early 90's, I remember that in Rio you could get the "tourist" rate that was 25-40% better than the official rate based on economic conditions and government policy. As RioBob noted, our driver took us to a jewelry store across from the old Rio Roiss Hotel for a better Cruzeiro rate. Obviously, there were currency controls designed to restrict capital leaving the country. Middle and upper class Brazilians knew how to get their rapidly deflating Cruzeiros into Dollars or hard assets like gold and jewelry. I guess that's why jewelry stores were operating in the parallel market.

The girls always wanted Dollars. I think Inflation spiked 5000% per annum before the Real was introduced in 1994. Even school children knew the Cruzeiro/Dollar exchange rate every day and what it might be tomorrow. I might have some of the details slightly wrong, but that was the basic currency situation back in the 80's and 90's.

From what understand, Brazil still has a tourist rate that has been around 4% higher (devalued Real) than the official government rate. This might why some members have reported receiving higher than the published rates at some select currency venues.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2227823]Sergio Cabral, Filho the Puta!! Karma got to him. He is currently being held at the Gericin penitentiary in Bangu, Rio de Janeiro, for corruption and money laundering. Crooked bastard is accused of embezzling more than $80 million USD. On 13 June 2017, he was sentenced to 14 years and two months. On 20 September 2017 he was sentenced to an additional 45 years imprisonment for embezzlement. However, Fa-King Brazilian law, limits sentences to 30 years actually served. All those people he put out of work, put a Macumba curse on him.[/QUOTE]Sergio Cabral was / is an evangelical Christian and ran on a platform of cleaning up the "sin" in Rio and on anti-corruption.

It does my heart good to know the bastard is in Bangu, one of the nastiest prisons in Rio, probably being anally raped by men still pissed off about his closing Help.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2227976]In the early 90's, I remember that in Rio you could get the "tourist" rate that was 25-40% better than the official rate based on economic conditions and government policy. As RioBob noted, our driver took us to a jewelry store across from the old Rio Roiss Hotel for a better Cruzeiro rate. Obviously, there were currency controls designed to restrict capital leaving the country. Middle and upper class Brazilians knew how to get their rapidly deflating Cruzeiros into Dollars or hard assets like gold and jewelry. I guess that's why jewelry stores were operating in the parallel market.[/QUOTE]Okay, that totally makes sense. Its been over two decades ago but I met a Brazilian immigrant via his wife, who was taking a continuing ed class with me at a local junior college. He had immigrated in the 80's to attend some private evangelical college in Podunkville, Texas, but eventually settled in Dallas. He explained when he first left for college, how his parents supplied him with a lot of cash in dollars, which his mama sewed inside the pants he wore on the flight to the US. When he arrived, he was interviewed by INS at the airport, though he had a legitimate student visa. They wanted to see if he had adequate funds (I have no idea what would have been required of him) and he told them that they were sewn inside his pants. The cash had been sewn up tight within the pocket his mom had sewn inside a pants leg. He was taken to a private room where he took off his pants, and with a pair of scissors he'd borrowed from the staff, he removed the cash while standing in his underwear. He said the INS guys who were watching him closely were totally amazed and amused by the whole thing. After counting the cash out they let let him enter the country.

Speaking of which, I do recall that customs entering Brazil used to have a reputation for going through your bags when going in and out of the country. My Brazilian acquaintance told me they were even more vigilant that the US customs when he was returning home and leaving, going through his entire luggage thoroughly. Of course, as a native Brazilian he might have gotten different treatment than a tourist. Is that still the case when entering and leaving Brazil?

Help club is now open in centro. It's in Rio Branco. There are 50 girls. Open from 10 pm. The owner is American.

Entry is 20 reais.

Good time is back.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2228087]Speaking of which, I do recall that customs entering Brazil used to have a reputation for going through your bags when going in and out of the country. My Brazilian acquaintance told me they were even more vigilant that the US customs when he was returning home and leaving, going through his entire luggage thoroughly. Of course, as a native Brazilian he might have gotten different treatment than a tourist. Is that still the case when entering and leaving Brazil?[/QUOTE]No. I've been traveling to Rio 4 X / year for 25 years and was never checked leaving Rio. There was a period of 6-8 years where they were scanning luggage on arrival, mainly looking for people smuggling in electronics (especially cellphones) beyond the amount allotted by customs. But for the past 5 years or so I have not been scanned. Now they seem to be focused on Brazilians returning with huge amounts of luggage. With their economy in the toilet, they seem to have many fewer federal police and customs officials working at the airport.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2228104]Help club is now open in centro. It's in Rio Branco. There are 50 girls. Open from 10 pm. The owner is American.

Entry is 20 reais.

Good time is back.[/QUOTE]Are you sure about this? A place called Help Club opened in Copacabana, at are. Raul Pompeia, 120 (towards Ipanema) in 2017, but by all accounts it was pretty pathetic, and now their website is gone. I know there's a dance club on Rio Branco where a few putas hang out, but I'd be surprised to learn that it's going by Help. If you have more info, please share.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2228104]Help club is now open in centro. It's in Rio Branco. There are 50 girls. Open from 10 pm. The owner is American.

Entry is 20 reais.

Good time is back.[/QUOTE]
Another new Help is open. :)
Av Rio Branco is a very long avenida. A street number would be useful.

Did you visit Florida on a Sunday?
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I have been here in Rio for my first trip to Latin America and just spent the weekend with a very sweet girl I met on Tinder and I have been chatting to Brasilian girls for a few months before this trip that I mainly met online in Tinder, these are regular girls in their twenties and thirties who speak an acceptable level of English, some of whom have travelled abroad to learn English. I have travelled around Eastern Europe and spent alot of time in Pattaya, Bangkok, Angeles and Manila but Rio is just at another level, the city is very nice, with a nicer climate and the Bundas I witnessed on the Copacabana yesterday made the air ticket worth it alone. Latin Women are just at another level to Asian chicks and no disrespect to Asians I love them too, but decided to take a break after 10+ trips around SE Asia, the Latin food for me is far more palatable than the glorified fried sugar which covers most Filipino dishes and the red hot spices of Thailand.

Sadly however this is an extremely dangerous city and within two days of arriving have witnessed more dangerous scenes than in all the months I ever spent in Asia. I got caught up in an Arrastao on Copacabana yesterday and was very lucky to come out of it unscathed, by running across the street to safety. It is like something out of the Walking Dead; and I am an experienced traveler.

I came here as a PUA like I do in Asia I manage to seduce girls (I'm early 30's) and general BS, here in Rio it is more difficult but still achievable. Flakiness is a problem, time keeping scant but when you succeed it is worth it. Weekday action can be harder so I am looking for recommendations for places to go, something like a Frankfurt FKK or Partytreff, ideally with big bundas and a nice mix of black and white latina women. I didn't do much research on the P2 P side of Rio but I've decided to drop some Reai's while I'm here now.

I don't know guys. I think that maybe after a decade and a half of mongering I'm starting to get bored with it. I mean, how many times can you get your dick sucked and "skeet" in a pretty girl's lips or fuck hot girls in the butt before you get tired of it? I mean, what's next? Has anybody else here come to this point in your mongering career, or perhaps already been there but found some way to overcome and continue to enjoy the hobby?

[QUOTE=Winthorp;2228387]Weekday action can be harder so I am looking for recommendations for places to go, something like a Frankfurt FKK or Partytreff, ideally with big bundas and a nice mix of black and white latina women. [/QUOTE]Go downtown to 4 X4. The address is 44 Rua Buenos Aires.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2228104]Help club is now open in centro. It's in Rio Branco. There are 50 girls. Open from 10 pm. The owner is American.

Entry is 20 reais.

Good time is back.[/QUOTE]50=this guy recommends always 50 women.

50=my age.

50=reais my last session.

50=times with her in 50 days.

50=even the rapper cent called himself 50.

50=there is something about this number 50.

[QUOTE=Winthorp;2228387]I have been here in Rio for my first trip to Latin America and just spent the weekend with a very sweet girl I met on Tinder and I have been chatting to Brasilian girls for a few months before this trip that I mainly met online in Tinder, these are regular girls in their twenties and thirties who speak an acceptable level of English, some of whom have travelled abroad to learn English. I have travelled around Eastern Europe and spent alot of time in Pattaya, Bangkok, Angeles and Manila but Rio is just at another level, the city is very nice, with a nicer climate and the Bundas I witnessed on the Copacabana yesterday made the air ticket worth it alone. Latin Women are just at another level to Asian chicks and no disrespect to Asians I love them too, but decided to take a break after 10+ trips around SE Asia, the Latin food for me is far more palatable than the glorified fried sugar which covers most Filipino dishes and the red hot spices of Thailand.

Sadly however this is an extremely dangerous city and within two days of arriving have witnessed more dangerous scenes than in all the months I ever spent in Asia. I got caught up in an Arrastao on Copacabana yesterday and was very lucky to come out of it unscathed, by running across the street to safety. It is like something out of the Walking Dead; and I am an experienced traveler..[/QUOTE]I meant to ask how dangerous was this city. What is an arrasto?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2228400]I don't know guys. I think that maybe after a decade and a half of mongering I'm starting to get bored with it. I mean, how many times can you get your dick sucked and "skeet" in a pretty girl's lips or fuck hot girls in the butt before you get tired of it? I mean, what's next? Has anybody else here come to this point in your mongering career, or perhaps already been there but found some way to overcome and continue to enjoy the hobby?[/QUOTE]I know precisely of what you state I have been pursuing our hobby for over 40 years. Variety is the spice of life but what if you have sampled, on multiple occasions, every race, hue, height, girth or look that there is to partake? For decades my p4p experience has been brothels, street walkers, clubs, casas, saunas, mps, escorts, walk-ups, FKKs, etc. In order to spice things up a bit I have recently resorted to social media and have been in touch with girls mainly through facebook but also via dating sites. Perhaps sessioning girls with whom I am better acquainted might be more exciting especially if I have been in contact with them for a considerable amount of time before I actually meet them in person. However, for me having sex is like eating, I never get tired of it.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2228400]I don't know guys. I think that maybe after a decade and a half of mongering I'm starting to get bored with it. I mean, how many times can you get your dick sucked and "skeet" in a pretty girl's lips or fuck hot girls in the butt before you get tired of it? I mean, what's next? Has anybody else here come to this point in your mongering career, or perhaps already been there but found some way to overcome and continue to enjoy the hobby?[/QUOTE]Dude, no. You aren't going anywhere and have to much to contribute anyways.

I've felt like this sometimes too. Usually at the end of a long trip, I usually don't even want to look at a woman. Takes a while for the pressure to rebuild. And the lake longer to refill as I get older but it always DOES refill.

Like Turgid, I find having a more personal and not just transactional vibe is a good anecdote.

Hb.

[QUOTE=Starlord1;2228514]I meant to ask how dangerous was this city. What is an arrasto?[/QUOTE]Youngsters running down the beach in packs of 10/20/30+ and grabbing everything they can from everyone.

Used to happen on Nossa Senhora on a Sunday but increased police presence has slowed it down-for now. Mind you the police can be a real pain too in Rio! I have been stopped 5 times at least and ordered out the car on 3 occasions and once got made an ultimatum of either goin to police station to work sth out or go into Mosaico lool. We got stopped near VM. The dirty cop had a deal with Mosaico and he followed us in there and collected money from cashier and went back to his spot down the road! Couple of other instances that were not so cool with police as well-dickheads in general down there especially out of zona sul but I have been stopped and searched twice in Copa and in Ipanema in yellow cabs LOL fuckers.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2228400]I don't know guys. I think that maybe after a decade and a half of mongering I'm starting to get bored with it. I mean, how many times can you get your dick sucked and "skeet" in a pretty girl's lips or fuck hot girls in the butt before you get tired of it? I mean, what's next? Has anybody else here come to this point in your mongering career, or perhaps already been there but found some way to overcome and continue to enjoy the hobby?[/QUOTE]I'm thinking this is a nice satirical piece, but one never knows.

No, that's not happened to me, and I've been at it for 3 decades. Part of the reason it doesn't get boring is that the women are so different. I have my regular spots (Rio, BKK, Medellin, AC) but have been to dozens of other places. I find the variety stimulating.

We all have our methods for trying to get the best out of a girl. I think if you can get beyond being just another ATM for a girl, the sex with her will stay interesting. I have my best success in Rio because I'm fluent in Portuguese. Being able to crack jokes with and compliment the girls, and even talk with them about local politics and such, makes a huge difference in my experience. The less I seem like and act like a standard-issue sex tourist, the better the response from the girls. I'm less successful in some places where the communication is basically hand signals and fistfuls of cash.

If you get bored with banging Brasileiras, try hooking up with some American girls. That'll have you booking your next trip in no time.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2228517]...I've felt like this sometimes too. Usually at the end of a long trip, I usually don't even want to look at a woman. Takes a while for the pressure to rebuild. And the lake longer to refill as I get older but it always DOES refill.
[/QUOTE]I have been mongering for 20+ years and felt this way many times. Luckily, it has always been temporary. Stay away from the poon a while and things will change. The man has got to eat sometimes.

[QUOTE=BwanaD;2228199]No. I've been traveling to Rio 4 X / year for 25 years and was never checked leaving Rio. There was a period of 6-8 years where they were scanning luggage on arrival, mainly looking for people smuggling in electronics (especially cellphones) beyond the amount allotted by customs. But for the past 5 years or so I have not been scanned. Now they seem to be focused on Brazilians returning with huge amounts of luggage. With their economy in the toilet, they seem to have many fewer federal police and customs officials working at the airport.[/QUOTE]Okay BwanaD, who are you? Are you the famous monger Bwana Dik? Or are you hijacking someone's identity?

If you're not the original, any handle with Bwana should be retired.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2228554]Okay BwanaD, who are you? Are you the famous monger Bwana Dik? Or are you hijacking someone's identity?

If you're not the original, any handle with Bwana should be retired.[/QUOTE]That's me. Just shortening the handle. Still hitting Rio regularly (back next week).

I think what I probably need to do is plan to take a long break off. And then when I come back, just stick to the two places that have never let me down. That would be Brazil and Germany. I've traveled to enough other places around the world that I don't feel like I would be missing anything. It would be great to get that feeling back that I had when I first started my career going to Costa Rica, but I think that's probably long gone, and will never come back. I would fly in for 10 days or so and fuck every pretty thing to my tastes that moved! Day 1 I would slam fuck like 7 different girls and nut in every single one of them! Day 2 fuck like 4 or 5 more and cum multiple times. Day 3 fuck 1 and jizz. Then day 4 not fuck anybody hahaha! But then after that settle into a steady flow of 2 a day until the end of the trip. All different girls! Those were the days! I wasn't getting it like that back at home. And unless you're a rock star who was?

I discovered bigger and better and have not been back to Costa Rica in years. But, I will always remember it fondly because that's where I started my international mongering career. I've been planning to take time away from the hobby. I think that I will go for one more year, then go ahead and take that break without any firm thoughts about when I might come back. And when I do, I will stick almost exclusively with Brazil and Germany. Switzerland would be good too, but it's too expensive for me given the length of sessions that I enjoy (1 hour) and my strong desire for a high percentage of anal. In no other countries have I found P4P anal sex to be as prevalent as in Brazil and Germany. Not even close.

Also, I have to say that I am "afraid" to go back to non-pros. After a decade and a half of quality PSE sex with so, so many young, attractive prostitutes, I'm pretty certain that the non-pro scene could never satisfy me sexually again. So, I will be sticking with the pros for the rest of my life, and I continue to have zero interest in marriage. After all. I like saying "how much". That part of the excitement has never left me. To purchase the bodily orifices of a willing other person for my own sexual pleasures, and hopefully for hers too. I like saying how much and paying for it in an open and transparent, mutually agreed upon transaction. I like that. Yes I do.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2228527]Youngsters running down the beach in packs of 10/20/30+ and grabbing everything they can from everyone.

Used to happen on Nossa Senhora on a Sunday but increased police presence has slowed it down-for now. Mind you the police can be a real pain too in Rio! I have been stopped 5 times at least and ordered out the car on 3 occasions and once got made an ultimatum of either goin to police station to work sth out or go into Mosaico lool. We got stopped near VM. The dirty cop had a deal with Mosaico and he followed us in there and collected money from cashier and went back to his spot down the road! Couple of other instances that were not so cool with police as well-dickheads in general down there especially out of zona sul but I have been stopped and searched twice in Copa and in Ipanema in yellow cabs LOL fuckers.[/QUOTE]Shit just another thing to worry about. Can't even monger in peace.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2228104]Help club is now open in centro. It's in Rio Branco. There are 50 girls. Open from 10 pm. The owner is American.

Entry is 20 reais.

Good time is back.[/QUOTE]It is not back. Help was not just a place. It was a moment in time. A mindset. The rhythm of the people and the city and girls have shifted.

It's like when they do a reunion tv show, everyone sees thru the thinly veiled rouge.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2228104]Help club is now open in centro. It's in Rio Branco. There are 50 girls. Open from 10 pm. The owner is American.

Entry is 20 reais.


Good time is back.[/QUOTE]Fake ass Help. Good times are no more.

Cutting the amount of time spent at the destination to find your sweet spot (leave while you still can look at the girl with a desire to fuck) helps a lot.

Threesomes, foursomes, and more somes may break a routine.

Rotation of mongering destinations almost always works.

A sex-free day should not be underestimated.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2228400]I don't know guys. I think that maybe after a decade and a half of mongering I'm starting to get bored with it. I mean, how many times can you get your dick sucked and "skeet" in a pretty girl's lips or fuck hot girls in the butt before you get tired of it? I mean, what's next? Has anybody else here come to this point in your mongering career, or perhaps already been there but found some way to overcome and continue to enjoy the hobby?[/QUOTE]

And I was not even looking for it too hard.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2228625]In no other countries have I found P4P anal sex to be as prevalent as in Brazil and Germany. Not even close. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bliadun;2228856]And I was not even looking for it too hard.[/QUOTE]I got some anal in Thailand but not much. I think they were scared I had a big dong. Those Thai girls can't take a lot of big dick you know LOL!

[QUOTE=Bliadun;2228855]Cutting the amount of time spent at the destination to find your sweet spot (leave while you still can look at the girl with a desire to fuck) helps a lot.

Threesomes, foursomes, and more somes may break a routine.

Rotation of mongering destinations almost always works.

A sex-free day should not be underestimated.[/QUOTE]I normally take a day or two off every trip.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2228625]I think what I probably need to do is plan to take a long break off. And then when I come back, just stick to the two places that have never let me down. That would be Brazil and Germany. I've traveled to enough other places around the world that I don't feel like I would be missing anything. It would be great to get that feeling back that I had when I first started my career going to Costa Rica, but I think that's probably long gone, and will never come back. I would fly in for 10 days or so and fuck every pretty thing to my tastes that moved! Day 1 I would slam fuck like 7 different girls and nut in every single one of them! Day 2 fuck like 4 or 5 more and cum multiple times. Day 3 fuck 1 and jizz. Then day 4 not fuck anybody hahaha! But then after that settle into a steady flow of 2 a day until the end of the trip. All different girls! Those were the days! I wasn't getting it like that back at home. And unless you're a rock star who was?

I discovered bigger and better and have not been back to Costa Rica in years. But, I will always remember it fondly because that's where I started my international mongering career. I've been planning to take time away from the hobby. I think that I will go for one more year, then go ahead and take that break without any firm thoughts about when I might come back. And when I do, I will stick almost exclusively with Brazil and Germany. Switzerland would be good too, but it's too expensive for me given the length of sessions that I enjoy (1 hour) and my strong desire for a high percentage of anal. In no other countries have I found P4P anal sex to be as prevalent as in Brazil and Germany. Not even close.

Also, I have to say that I am "afraid" to go back to non-pros. After a decade and a half of quality PSE sex with so, so many young, attractive prostitutes, I'm pretty certain that the non-pro scene could never satisfy me sexually again. So, I will be sticking with the pros for the rest of my life, and I continue to have zero interest in marriage. After all. I like saying "how much". That part of the excitement has never left me. To purchase the bodily orifices of a willing other person for my own sexual pleasures, and hopefully for hers too. I like saying how much and paying for it in an open and transparent, mutually agreed upon transaction. I like that. Yes I do.[/QUOTE]You were lucky to start off your career at a time when you had money. I started mine in good old NYC in the early 1970's when I was really poor. One session was about $10; I would jerk off before meeting a street walker so I would not come too quickly. I remember jerking off after as well. One was all I could afford and then once a week. As I earned more I was able to upgrade to 2 per week and sometimes more. We seem to have the same tastes in women, I spent 3 months in Brazil earlier this year and not too long returned from 3 months in Germany. However, unlike you I'm putting Thailand in the mix, I plan to spend most of next year in Pattaya where I've previously spent not more than a week, I heard it can get pretty boring there but I'm trusting the gogo girls, bar girls, street walkers and massage girls to keep me fully occupied.

Has anyone used their ATM card recently in rio? What kind of rate were you getting. My friend tolf me the cambios were all in collusion and werent giving more then 4 reais to the dollar no matter what the international rate was. I am wonderng whatthe best option is for my trip next month.

I remember back in 2002-2003 I only used my citibank ATM card for like a 3 year period. The ATM was giving in the 3. 90's range and the cabios would only give you like 3. 50 R in exchange. They wouldn't budge so I was "Screw them" and only used my car.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2228878]I got some anal in Thailand but not much. I think they were scared I had a big dong. Those Thai girls can't take a lot of big dick you know LOL![/QUOTE]Ditto. The oil massage places will often have a girl or two who will do anal, but they are often the older girls who only get clients by offering up their ass. Annie's Massage typically had some who do anal (caveat, I haven't been there in years because the girls were way past their use-by dates), but I can't remember finding a girl in any of the Nana or Cowboy clubs who was a three-holes.

[QUOTE=Winthorp;2228387]

Sadly however this is an extremely dangerous city and within two days of arriving have witnessed more dangerous scenes than in all the months I ever spent in Asia. I got caught up in an Arrastao on Copacabana yesterday and was very lucky to come out of it unscathed, by running across the street to safety. It is like something out of the Walking Dead; and I am an experienced traveler.

I came here as a PUA like I do in Asia I manage to seduce girls (I'm early 30's) and general BS, here in Rio it is more difficult but still achievable. Flakiness is a problem, time keeping scant but when you succeed it is worth it. Weekday action can be harder so I am looking for recommendations for places to go, something like a Frankfurt FKK or Partytreff, ideally with big bundas and a nice mix of black and white latina women. I didn't do much research on the P2 P side of Rio but I've decided to drop some Reai's while I'm here now.[/QUOTE]I did a Google search on the arrastao. This is scary shit. I got pick pocketed in Rio at a Blocko in Rio during Carnaval and it was a mad house (the actual Cranaval was very safe and I would love to go back). The beach was always fun for me. I have never seen anything like this.

It has been awhile but during the week Quatro Por Quatro is the best termas. A termas is like a FKK. I enjoyed my visits to the Termas Centaurus and Monte Carlo. I use to walk down Atlantica and pick up girls in front of Balcony which I know is closed but the girls must still be there on top of cars. A nice trip to Vila Mimosa is a nice excursion (you can search my handle and read my report on Vila Mimosa.) This is the RLD for Rio and I had a fun time. L'umo used to be the Sunday night Termas but that is long gone. You can try Termas Solarium. I don't know the clinica scene but this is my favorite thing to do in Sampa. Try one of these girls. Your in Brazil.
Girls are everywhere. But beware: Their not all GDPs.[URL]http://www.hotside.com.br/acompanhantes-garotas-de-programa-rio-de-janeiro-rj.html.[/URL]

I remember Barbarellas too. I never made the program there. I was too lazy and went to the Termas or the Balcony bar but there was a modest entrance fee at Barbarellas and/or a two drink cover. Next to the Balcony is Dolce Vita. A night club that I always passed.

They say that Centaurus was the tourist Termas and I have heard this about the pricing of girls in Barbarellas too but I can tell you this: I have made the program with alumni of these institutions in the United States and paid 450 $/ hour. The Centaurus girl is now getting 600 USD / hour but will see lucky me for 500 $ USD. So don't worry about spending an extra 100 R or so LOL. It is all a better deal than anything I can find in this sex prison we call home.

Best to search these places in the forum and read recent reports.

Good luck and stay safe.

I was in Brazil the last five weeks for my annual work stint and in and out of Rio on three separate occasions, each for about 2 days. I made the most of my time and managed to squeeze in 10 excellent sessions. I had two Sunday nights free, and with limited options went on one of those nights with a website girl, Chanel from Riosexsite. Beautiful girl and very good service in her pretty decent Copa apartment. The other Sunday I hooked up with Cristina, a girl I'the met at Monte Carlo last year. She was as cute, fun, and sweet as I remembered.

The other six girls were all at prives – Emporio do Banho, Onix, Bel Prazer, and Copa 583 - and all recommended on the local forums. I mostly used forumx, and, as has been my experience in the past, their reviews were spot on. All of the girls were beautiful and provided excellent GFE service. The line-up at Emporio do Banho on several visits was particularly impressive, the best I saw of the four prives. I repeated with two girls there. It was my first visit to Copa 583 and their facilities were atypically new and very nice if that's important to you.

If you want all the answers to the test before you show up for class, check those local forums.

In response to recent posts, though anything can happen anywhere, I was fortunate to find Rio to be as fun and mellow as ever with only nice people and good experiences everywhere I went. But of course situational awareness and common travel sense are good tools to have at hand.

As for getting burnt out on the scene, if I was going to Latin America or anyplace else just for mongering, I know I'the get bored very quickly and would probably abandon the hobby, in part because I'm just too old for that. My fortunate cure is that I'm lucky enough to be there for work so having great sex with some pros (my definite preference, too) on my few days off when I really need to blow off some steam, is still amazingly fun.

I was in Cancun today and discovered that they have a new thing now and that is a lottery. You will participate in the lottery with the number of your locker and the prize is a free 40 minute session. As far as I understand you can not get the prize for a session that you had before the draw in the lottery, but if you are in the middle of a session when the winner is announced you will get it for free. Or if you are doing an hour session you will pay the difference from the 40 minutes up to the price for the one hour session.

The draw for the lottery is eight o'clock and I was in a room with a girl at that time but of course I didn't win. I don't know if this has been mentioned earlier in a post here but I'd thought I might share the information because it is good to know about it. The lottery is everyday and the winner will have to use the prize for a 40 minute session the same day and it can not be saved for another day.

[QUOTE=BwanaD;2228588]That's me. Just shortening the handle. Still hitting Rio regularly (back next week).[/QUOTE]I'm glad you're still out there Bwana. Have you thought about reviving your infamous Rio guide here on ISG? I know it helped me when I was a wide-eyed newbie.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2228896]You were lucky to start off your career at a time when you had money.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I tell myself that all the time. Otherwise, I would have ended up one broke bastard LOL! Or frustrated as hell knowing what was out there when I couldn't have any of it due to a lack of resources.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2228997]I'm glad you're still out there Bwana. Have you thought about reviving your infamous Rio guide here on ISG? I know it helped me when I was a wide-eyed newbie.[/QUOTE]Yes, Bwana's guide was the original! Some came later trying to pass his stuff off as their own, but we all knew who the original master guide writer for Brazil was!

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2228997]I'm glad you're still out there Bwana. Have you thought about reviving your infamous Rio guide here on ISG? I know it helped me when I was a wide-eyed newbie.[/QUOTE]I've toyed with an update, even made a couple of false starts. So much has changed! I may get to it yet. I still get email from guys with copies of the guide, which amazes me, since the last edition was in 2009.

[QUOTE=BwanaD;2229183]I've toyed with an update, even made a couple of false starts. So much has changed! I may get to it yet. I still get email from guys with copies of the guide, which amazes me, since the last edition was in 2009.[/QUOTE]I believe I started reading your stuff around 2000. You were one of the first on-line English speakers to report comprehensive details on Florianopolis. So many faces and names have come and gone, Don, his sister Rhonda and Kenn the apartment booker. Many local hustlers trying to make a buck as drivers, guides, local investment advisors, etc. I remember a well-known Rio guy named Jace. Jace looked so sad at TA when I described hooking up with his favorite 4 x4 girl. He was an interesting guy. Total accident, of course, that I met this redhead "his girl". I lost track of her when she went off to Europe.

I just thought of having morning sex in those rooms facing out at the ocean at the old Arpoador Inn. Girlfriend friendly hotel with the closest rooms to the water.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2228104]Help club is now open in centro. It's in Rio Branco. There are 50 girls. Open from 10 pm. The owner is American.

Entry is 20 reais.

Good time is back.[/QUOTE]I have said before, all we have to do is pick a nice, big club in the Copa or Ipanema area and say that the club we will all go to when we in town. It will be known as the club where the gringos hangout and the girls will follow.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2229019]Yes, Bwana's guide was the original! Some came later trying to pass his stuff off as their own, but we all knew who the original master guide writer for Brazil was![/QUOTE]Funny you say that. Back in about 2007 I was poking around on Amazon and found that some guy was publishing and selling my guide online through Amazon! Since Amazon lists the seller info, I contacted him (I'm a lawyer) and told him I'd be initiating a suit. Dude quickly agreed to pull it from Amazon. Amazon provided information on how many copies had been sold, and I collected all the proceeds from the guy in exchange for not taking him to court for damages.

The guide was always free, and I was pissed that someone tried to cash in on it.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2229351]I believe I started reading your stuff around 2000. You were one of the first on-line English speakers to report comprehensive details on Florianopolis. So many faces and names have come and gone, Don, his sister Rhonda and Kenn the apartment booker. Many local hustlers trying to make a buck as drivers, guides, local investment advisors, etc. I remember a well-known Rio guy named Jace. Jace looked so sad at TA when I described hooking up with his favorite 4 x4 girl. He was an interesting guy. Total accident, of course, that I met this redhead "his girl". I lost track of her when she went off to Europe.

I just thought of having morning sex in those rooms facing out at the ocean at the old Arpoador Inn. Girlfriend friendly hotel with the closest rooms to the water.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I was living down in Porto Alegre for awhile, so Florida was a short hop away and I got over there often. It's a lovely place, and I still get there every other year to relax.

I'm still in touch with a lot of the old Rio guys, like Don, Ken, Kenn, Rhonda, and many others. Poor Jace developed severe back problems and had to hang up his mongering shoes.

I stayed at the Arpoador Inn for many years, always in the oceanfront rooms, finally switching to apartments because of the flexibility they offer. Two years ago I was back in town for a short meeting and stayed there again. The rooms were basically the same, but the restaurant was much nicer. Fucking while listening to the surf was awesome. Next time I was in town the building had been gutted. It's still under construction, but looks like a condo is going in there. Sigh.

[QUOTE=BwanaD;2229425]Thanks. I was living down in Porto Alegre for awhile, so Florida was a short hop away and I got over there often. It's a lovely place, and I still get there every other year to relax.

I'm still in touch with a lot of the old Rio guys, like Don, Ken, Kenn, Rhonda, and many others. Poor Jace developed severe back problems and had to hang up his mongering shoes.

I stayed at the Arpoador Inn for many years, always in the oceanfront rooms, finally switching to apartments because of the flexibility they offer. Two years ago I was back in town for a short meeting and stayed there again. The rooms were basically the same, but the restaurant was much nicer. Fucking while listening to the surf was awesome. Next time I was in town the building had been gutted. It's still under construction, but looks like a condo is going in there. Sigh.[/QUOTE]I had drinks with Jace in 2016. We had bonded in Rio many years ago through Don. Hit places together, shared Vitamin V and generally chilled quite a bit.

Still got the sixth edition from 2006; can't repost here as the pdf file is too large.

[QUOTE=Rio6160;2229412]I have said before, all we have to do is pick a nice, big club in the Copa or Ipanema area and say that the club we will all go to when we in town. It will be known as the club where the gringos hangout and the girls will follow.[/QUOTE]And they would try to gouge the tourists just because they are tourists. I would not go to a place like that.

Let me ask a question to the more experience members of this forum. Aren't girls offering P4 P services available in places that are not sexually oriented businesses or oriented towards tourists? Is it possible to regularly find casual prostitutes and the odd WG in different clubs and social gatherings where people are necessarily going to pay or receive money for sex? One thing I happened across in the Dominican Republic was prostitutes hanging around the colmados. Maybe not full time prostitutes but maybe girls looking for some extra cash. Then again, every girl I paid for sex in the DR claimed that she was not a prostitute, and typically claimed she was only looking for a boyfriend. Obviously this is not to found everywhere in the world. Its been stressed on the Colombia forum that there isn't a gray area with the Colombianas. They are either WG or they are not (selling their bodies). But, I think you see what I am getting at.

20 years ago I would still have had enough game to pull local girls with legitimate romantic intentions. I'm long past that now and frankly don't want that either. But, I am wondering how common is it to encounter P4P girls at bars and other places. I suspect its easier than one thinks, and probably could make the mongering experience a lot easier instead of fantasizing about resurrecting some old pick up joint for hookers. Hey, if you want to shoot fish in a barrel, then go to Sosua or Pattaya. Some of us like to hunt (or fish if you like) once in a while.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2229817]And they would try to gouge the tourists just because they are tourists.

I happened across in the Dominican Republic was prostitutes hanging around the colmados. Maybe not full time prostitutes but maybe girls looking for some extra cash. Then again, every girl I paid for sex in the DR claimed that she was not a prostitute, and typically claimed she was only looking for a boyfriend. [/QUOTE]In my experience Most people do not have self confidence. Almost any girl can be had. Some of them claim they want boyfriend because they do not want that stigma of being labeled a prostitute. Just like some guys refuse to pay for sex, because they feel it hurts there ego.

Some people care too much about what other people think about them.

[QUOTE=Rio6160;2229412]I have said before, all we have to do is pick a nice, big club in the Copa or Ipanema area and say that the club we will all go to when we in town. It will be known as the club where the gringos hangout and the girls will follow.[/QUOTE]It's more possible than people realize. As many of us know, Help Disco wasn't opened as a mongering destination, but rather as a regular, civilian nightclub. Very likely, a few hot girls went to Help in the 80's hearing there would be relatively affluent gringos present. They hooked-up and word spread to other girls and other gringoes. You didn't even have the internet spread the word. It's amazing how something like Help could develop before the internet. The internet finally drove Help's last and peak years. Gringoes from all over the world came to meet young Brasileiras from all over Brasil at Help.

So I agree, word would spread fast. We know what's in it for the monger. For the young girls, they can drink, dance and if they choose, go home with a guy of their choosing.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;2229890]In my experience Most people do not have self confidence. Almost any girl can be had. Some of them claim they want boyfriend because they do not want that stigma of being labeled a prostitute. Just like some guys refuse to pay for sex, because they feel it hurts there ego.

Some people care too much about what other people think about them.[/QUOTE]So true, it would tire me hearing guys telling me how they "dated" a few girls in Rio on their one week vacation. Yeah, they hung out with you and fucked you because you were on a date. You were so charming.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2229817]And they would try to gouge the tourists just because they are tourists. I would not go to a place like that.

Let me ask a question to the more experience members of this forum. Aren't girls offering P4 P services available in places that are not sexually oriented businesses or oriented towards tourists? Is it possible to regularly find casual prostitutes and the odd WG in different clubs and social gatherings where people are necessarily going to pay or receive money for sex? One thing I happened across in the Dominican Republic was prostitutes hanging around the colmados. Maybe not full time prostitutes but maybe girls looking for some extra cash. Then again, every girl I paid for sex in the DR claimed that she was not a prostitute, and typically claimed she was only looking for a boyfriend. Obviously this is not to found everywhere in the world. Its been stressed on the Colombia forum that there isn't a gray area with the Colombianas. They are either WG or they are not (selling their bodies). But, I think you see what I am getting at.

20 years ago I would still have had enough game to pull local girls with legitimate romantic intentions. I'm long past that now and frankly don't want that either. But, I am wondering how common is it to encounter P4P girls at bars and other places. I suspect its easier than one thinks, and probably could make the mongering experience a lot easier instead of fantasizing about resurrecting some old pick up joint for hookers. Hey, if you want to shoot fish in a barrel, then go to Sosua or Pattaya. Some of us like to hunt (or fish if you like) once in a while.[/QUOTE]In my experience putas go out in Rio like any other girls after work but not to be a puta!! I think the net and dating sites might be easier to run some.

Sugar daddy shit on them or payment. But I know others have had good results offering some $ out socially-my whole thing is that there are so many specific spots for putas in Rio and so many non pro spots as well. I wouldn't personally ask someone in a non pro spot to come home for reais but that's just me.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2230004]I wouldn't personally ask someone in a non pro spot to come home for reais but that's just me.[/QUOTE]Me either. But we have a lot of ISGers that believe if a woman fucked you then they are expecting money. If that was the case then there are chicks that I have been fucking for years and they have not said anything about money yet. You think they would have starved to death by now.

If you are a prostitute parading as a non-prostitute around me then you better speak up beforehand. To me women are just like food and drink, there are a lot of things that I will eat and drink if they are free, but you wouldn't catch me ordering it if I had to pay for it.

I will also add that there are chicks that go both ways. Back in the day, I met a chick on Cupid. She told me she worked in some office bla bla bla. I got to Rio and she wanted me to go to Rio Sul with her to buy a new washing machine. We got there and she pulled out a big wad of cash. I think they didn't have the machine she wanted though. It was one of those bait and switch things that she saw in the newspaper. So it was all good with this chick. She never asked me for anything.

Fast forward a couple months later and I go to Rio. I walk in front of Help and guess who is standing there. I was laughing my ass off. She kept trying to explain and kept asking to go with me. So where as some may have met her as a hooker, I did not meet her in that mode and she never asked anything from me. She has since moved to Southern France about 10 years ago. We used to keep in touch but fell out of touch. YMMV.

Personally I think a new place like Help will never open again. Anyway nothing even close to be similar to the old Help.
Times have changed. In all over Brazil, no capital excluded, there has been a clean-up. Brazil doesn't want to be a destination for sex tourism. In the 80s and early 90s things were very much different. Even Embratur, the Brazilian Tourist Board, did their best to promote Brazil as a monger destination. In the Rio guide brochures handed out to tourists at the airport there were lots of adds advertising termas.

Brazil doesn't miss the dollar from the sex tourists. There are tons of regular tourists coming to Brazil who doesn't look for sex. Just compare the lines of tourists, at Praça do Lido, waiting for the shuttle vans to Corcovado to the few numbers of tourists hanging out at Mabs.

Also, the mongering crowd who still continue going to Rio is very different from what it used to be. The majority of the mongers in Copacabana used to be a younger crowd. Lots of party at the beach, Meia Pataca, Terraço Atlântico and Help. The girls were busy.
I do my best to avoid Mabs, but on my rare visits it seems like the average age on the mongers is well above 50. Old guys sipping their choppes and hardly giving any business to the ladies.

I still love Rio just as much as I did in 1991. It continues to be the most beautiful city in the world. Still very easy to meet regular girls and plenty of puteiros in Centro. :)

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2230003]So true, it would tire me hearing guys telling me how they "dated" a few girls in Rio on their one week vacation. Yeah, they hung out with you and fucked you because you were on a date. You were so charming.[/QUOTE]Yeah right.

All of you experts for putas are dating non pros on your 1-2 weeks trips.

But the real truth is 99% of them are WG who are pretending not to be ones.

Like your all pretending and lying about who are you meeting with be real hypocrites.

Brazilian new generations of women are not into gringos anymore.

And the WG are always going to pretend that they're not WG.

Brazil doesn't miss the dollar from the sex tourists. There are tons of regular tourists coming to Brazil who doesn't look for sex. Just compare the lines of tourists, at Praça do Lido, waiting for the shuttle vans to Corcovado to the few numbers of tourists hanging out at Mabs.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2230017]Personally I think a new place like Help will never open again. Anyway nothing even close to be similar to the old Help.
Times have changed. In all over Brazil, no capital excluded, there has been a clean-up. Brazil doesn't want to be a destination for sex tourism.[/QUOTE]You're closer to the political climate than most of us.

I suppose we hold out hope something like Scandallo could open up and gain popularity. Perhaps somewhere that is in a less visible part of Rio than Avenida Atlantica. Sao Paulo is not a global tourist destination. I suppose the authorities aren't too concerned about the boates there.

I did notice Help Disco especially after the internet explosion was fairly young. I could call my young buddies and say "hey, do you want to go to a beautiful tropical beach destination where you're 100% sure to get laid every day by hot Latin girls?" We had to restrict the numbers in our entourage. In retrospect, I think the girls, while playing the game and plying their trade, did appreciate hanging out with young guys and having a good time.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2230017]Personally I think a new place like Help will never open again. Anyway nothing even close to be similar to the old Help.
Times have changed. In all over Brazil, no capital excluded, there has been a clean-up.
I still love Rio just as much as I did in 1991. It continues to be the most beautiful city in the world. Still very easy to meet regular girls and plenty of puteiros in Centro.[/QUOTE]Good and informative post. But, let me ask you a question. If all the capitals have changed, have they all been impacted to the same extent? I keep hearing good things about Fortaleza. Is it fair to ask if cities not pulling in the tourists will be less impacted by such politics? Most people I know have heard of Rio De Janiero, but would be hard pressed to think of the name of any other city in Brazil. So, I have to wonder if the focus of these house cleaning activities is on Brazil's major tourist destination. Your thoughts, please.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2230017] Brazil doesn't miss the dollar from the sex tourists. There are tons of regular tourists coming to Brazil who doesn't look for sex. Just compare the lines of tourists, at Praa do Lido, waiting for the shuttle vans to Corcovado to the few numbers of tourists hanging out at Mabs.

Also, the mongering crowd who still continue going to Rio is very different from what it used to be. The majority of the mongers in Copacabana used to be a younger crowd. Lots of party at the beach, Meia Pataca, Terrao Atlntico and Help. The girls were busy.
I do my best to avoid Mabs, but on my rare visits it seems like the average age on the mongers is well above 50. Old guys sipping their choppes and hardly giving any business to the ladies.[/QUOTE]Brazil is in a recession right now. Last year I was in Rio De Janeiro around the Copacabana area. A lot of restaurants were closing or just barely had costumers like they use too. A lot of nice luxury apartments on Airbnb use to be $100-$300 per night. You can now rent them for as little as $40-$60 right now. It seems like after the World Cup and the Olympics everything went down. Even the girls I talk to in the Termas tell me business is very slow. I think they need all the sex tourist dollars they can get. Sex tourism does boost the local economy.

Now as for Help. I think there is a possibility that another Help can re-open. But I think its because Brazil is not a cheap destination like how it was in the 80's,90's and pre 2000's. Back then flights too Brazil were $400-$500 Dollars max. Now flights are starting at $1,000 and depending on where you live sometimes $2,000 and then you have to factor in food, women and a place to stay. You can easily spend $4,000-$5000. Prices like that keep most mongers away. When you go to places like Mabs, or when you visit the termas, I personally do not see too many Gringos like before when I first starting going in 2009,2010. I Think its all supply and demand. If alot of gringos started going to Brazil and start flooding Brazil. You will see places like Mabs flooded with beautiful women as there is a chance for them to make alot of money. When you go to mabs its mostly old guys and there not trying to trick off there retirement check like that.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2230154]Good and informative post. But, let me ask you a question. If all the capitals have changed, have they all been impacted to the same extent? I keep hearing good things about Fortaleza. Is it fair to ask if cities not pulling in the tourists will be less impacted by such politics? Most people I know have heard of Rio De Janiero, but would be hard pressed to think of the name of any other city in Brazil. So, I have to wonder if the focus of these house cleaning activities is on Brazil's major tourist destination. Your thoughts, please.[/QUOTE]
All capitals in Brazil have been affected by clean-ups, even those capitals that are no major tourist destinations. However, capitals that are tourist destinations have been more affected. You mentioned Fortaleza, it has been very much affected.
The only clean-up exception is propably São Paulo.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2230345]All capitals in Brazil have been affected by clean-ups, even those capitals that are no major tourist destinations. However, capitals that are tourist destinations have been more affected. You mentioned Fortaleza, it has been very much affected.
The only clean-up exception is propably So Paulo.[/QUOTE]Why do you suppose the scene in Sao Paulo has been relatively left alone?

[QUOTE=JuveStadium;2230022]Yeah right.

All of you experts for putas are dating non pros on your 1-2 weeks trips.

But the real truth is 99% of them are WG who are pretending not to be ones.

Like your all pretending and lying about who are you meeting with be real hypocrites.

Brazilian new generations of women are not into gringos anymore.

And the WG are always going to pretend that they're not WG.[/QUOTE]It is very possible to meet and go on dates with non pros during a week or a 2 week stay-just work dating sites a month before to build rapport and don't tell the girls how short a time you staying. That's game. Make up excuse to go home for emergency lool.

I agree with Sperto non pros are quite easy and many girls want to leave Rio so we are an attractive option if we as well speak portugues! I love Rio Same way-it evolves proportionally with increase in language skills. If you want non pros learn the language. I see more non pros.

Than putas. Maybe 80-20 most trips. Non pros are just as freaky as pros I find. ❤65039; And god bless Brazil. Mind you if Bolsonaro wins-the Brazil's answer to Trump-shit might change a bit but Rio.

Historically has always been a working girl house. A burlesque working girl house by the sea and it's so ingrained in the culture it will find its way in Rio whether it's more CLínicas / online etc.

Just returned from a recent short trip to Rio. Day 1 was a bust I needed to rest. Day 2 I stopped at Mabs at about 1630 I didn't expect to find anyone but to my surprise 1 beautiful chica with the most beautiful tan Polynesian looking skin. Her name was Marcela. I would say she was 26-28. She wanted 300 and we negotiated it to 250. Off we go to my apartment she did everything I asked and wasn't a clock watcher. I'm not saying she stayed a long time but longer than an hour. I enjoyed it so much I gave her 300. I was just spent and as she got dressed I asked her if she would do a threesome. She said sure I like girls. I said I like blonds that are young and not heavy. We agreed to meet the next day at Mabs at 1600 and she said the girl she wanted was a nosho. For the next 30 minutes she would thumb thru her phone and show me pictures of girls and ask if they were ok. If so she would call and leave a message. After a while her phone started ringing with replies. I chose a pretty blond named Rosy. (a blond named Rosy,go figure) 20 minutes later Rosy shows and were off to my apartment. I'm not going to give you a boring blow by blow description but let me say this. In my life I have had many threesomes. None were perfect even the good ones were just a little disappointing. This one was an hour I will never forget. Old spike is standing at attention just thinking about it. I will just make 1 short comment about the event. As they were disrobing they were deep kissing then when naked Rosy directed Marcela to lay on the bed on her stomach as Rosy crawled up between her legs she pulled up her ass and started giving her a rimjob. Total damage 600. If interested pm me for Marcelas phone number.

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If I am in the business of selling burgers from a concession truck and my clientele has fallen off and I am making a loss I will eventually have to close down the business all together. Ladies of the night are businesswomen and if their customer base has reduced significantly they will eventually find something else to do with their lives.

The world is currently in recession and there are no longer the vast numbers of men with disposable income traveling to exotic locations to get their freak on. I have observed from since around 2010 a decline in the p4p experience world wide. The quality and quantity of working girls has declined significantly in every major mongering destination. The only establishments I can think of that have not waned are German FKKs which I believe is due to the business smarts of the owners of these clubs. There has not been an increase in official prices in over a decade and in fact the entrance fee for many of them have been reduced.

I believe the problem in Rio is not a cleanup but just that the jefes are unable to pay the authorities the under the table payments that used to flow freely in the past and the authorities have reacted by clamping down on those establishments from which they are receiving no cash.

Some hobbyists are under the mistaken view that in a recession more women would be out of a job and as a result turn to prostitution but that is not necessarily the case, if it were so then the poorest countries would have the highest incidences of p4p but that is not so. It appears that recession has the opposite effect of reducing the prevalence of our hobby. The economics of p4p like economics generally can be complicated.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2230345]All capitals in Brazil have been affected by clean-ups, even those capitals that are no major tourist destinations. However, capitals that are tourist destinations have been more affected. You mentioned Fortaleza, it has been very much affected.
The only clean-up exception is propably So Paulo.[/QUOTE]The mongering scene has changed all throughout Brazil, but I'm not convinced it's even mainly due to governments in the cities and states trying to clean up their images.

Yes, the in-your-face mongering spots are largely gone. Help, Terrao Atlntico, Meia Pataca, Balcony Bar, all gone. But there's a Portuguese phrase in popular use in Brazil-Para os Ingles ver" (for the English to see) --that helps account for this. Many Brazilians are embarrassed to have their country (or Cariocas, their city) known as sex tourist destination. So they clean it up--for the English (foreigners) to see--but they do not touch the places that are largely out of sight for the foreigners: the termas, the fast-fuck casas, the massage places, even Vila Mimosa. These places have always catered to locals more than visitors because they can be hard to find, and with the exception of the termas, almost no one in the places speaks anything but Portuguese. But there are literally hundreds of privs in Copacabana and, especially, Centro, where 2, 3 or more girls are open for business.

The thing that's changed mongering in Brazil more than anything else is the internet. Over time, girls realized that they didn't have to hang out in a bar all day in Copacabana hoping to find a customer. Now they can advertise on any of dozens of websites (like [URL]photoacompanhantes.com[/URL]) and simply wait for a guy to book an appointment. Lots of the girls I know use various social media (Facebook, Tinder, IG, Tumblr) to get their photos and info out, and every girl I know uses WhatsApp to communicate with customers and book appointments. Many of the girls prefer this arrangement to either working in a club for someone who takes a big cut of their earnings or hanging out in a street side bar all evening.

The internet allows girls to work on their own schedule, and so you end up with a fair number of part-time putas who are trying to pull in some extra cash because their hair salon or store cashier jobs pay shit. For example, I have a "friend" I've been banging for a few years. She now owns a hair salon, and she refers some of her stylists who are interested in making a little extra cash to me. I'm headed to Rio tomorrow, and today she sent me photos and contact info for two of her girls.

One side effect of the importance of the internet and social media is that it makes prostitution less visible, which makes the politicians happy, but also makes it harder for visitors, especially those who don't speak Portuguese pretty well, to find the girls and set something up.

It seems to me that there's been no downturn in the amount of prostitution in any of the Brazilian cities I visit, but it's all moved out of the public's eye. And it's nowhere near as accessible to the novice monger who doesn't speak the language. I suspect that new mongers would struggle in Brazil, and that's why many drift to Pattaya, AC, and other places where you can walk into a club, pick out a girl, and head off with her.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;2230277] But I think its because Brazil is not a cheap destination like how it was in the 80's,90's and pre 2000's. Back then flights too Brazil were $400-$500 Dollars max. Now flights are starting at $1,000 and depending on where you live sometimes $2,000 and then you have to factor in food, women and a place to stay. [/QUOTE]I don't think you are factoring in the rate of inflation for the USD. Food, women, and a place to stay? You mean they used to be free? Hey, no flight to anywhere costs what it did, two or three decades ago. $500 in 1888 equals $1065 today and $500 in 1998 would equal $773. And it should come as no surprise that flights to other destinations are higher than they once were. Heck, I flew from JFK to AMS for $250 round trip, back in 1978. I also earn a lot more money in pure numerical terms than I did in 1978. But, travel abroad also seemed less back in 1978, because I was young and still living with family. I had no significant living costs and my small paychecks for my entry level jobs were pure money to burn. But, once you factor in inflation, that $250 would be just shy of a grand in 2018. But, my point here is that based on the figures you are putting up, airfare to Brazil is not really any higher than it was two or three decades ago when you factor in inflation and wage growth.

I've actually found flights to Brazil and back lately, for around $773 and even a last minute fare to SP for under $700. They can also be two or three grand if you don't shop around. By most accounts from the travel industry veterans I've met, airfare to Latin America has been historically volatile, even before the internet brought inventory management to our desktops. And I'm pretty sure you are not earning the same salary now, that you did 20 years ago.

I've no idea what the prices for P4P were back then, but I would expect they wouldn't seem so cheap if you factored in your salary back then. I will say this, $500 was a big chunk of change for me, back in 1988. $1000 is not a big amount to me in 2018. Maybe some old timers can give us some prices for P4P in Brazil from the 80's relative to their actual cost in USD. I understand the currency of Brazil has changed four or five times since then, so that would only cloud the figures more if we talked about them in terms of Cruzieros / Cruzados.

[QUOTE=BwanaD;2230747]So they clean it up--for the English (foreigners) to see--but they do not touch the places that are largely out of sight for the foreigners: the termas, the fast-fuck casas, the massage places, even Vila Mimosa. These places have always catered to locals more than visitors because they can be hard to find, and with the exception of the termas, almost no one in the places speaks anything but Portuguese. But there are literally hundreds of privs in Copacabana and, especially, Centro, where 2, 3 or more girls are open for business.[/QUOTE]My girlfriend lives in bum fuck Mato Grosso. Her tri-city area has 1200 people. So you got to figure that 300 or so are men. She said there are 35 fuck houses for the area. So I don't even want to think about how many there must be in a city of millions like Rio.

[QUOTE=BwanaD;2230747]The mongering scene has changed all throughout Brazil, but I'm not convinced it's even mainly due to governments in the cities and states trying to clean up their images...[/QUOTE]
I agree and also disagree. Depending on how far back you compare just about all capitals have lost many of their major mongering spots. Instead the prefeituras have turned some of these clean-up areas to leisure areas for families etc. Yes, the mongering spots that have suffered most are the most visible spots.

Regarding the amount of prostitution I find a big downturn, specially in the Capitals in Nordeste e.g Fortaleza, Recife, São Luís, Macapá etc. On the bright side even the most tiny cities in Brazil have puteiros. I've visted 79 cities in Brazil and I can't recall any city that didn't have any puteiro of some kind.

In the case of Copacabana the mongering is limited to Mabs, Dolce Vita, strip clubs, privées, termas, streetwalkers and girls frequenting the beach and quiosques. Vila Mimosa will be untouched unless they decide to construct the trem-bala train between Rio and São Paulo. Regarding the privées in centro. There are a few buildings that have got rid of all their privées, but there are still hundreds of privées left in centro. However the number of privées in centro have decreased the last years. Mainly because Brazil is suffering an economic crise. Less locals have money to spend on bunda so some privées have to close down.

As you wrote internet also have changed the mongering scene. The GPs use social media, escort sites etc to sell their bundas. The disadvantages are less security and in some cases less customers, but the advantages are several. No puteiro boss will take 40% of what the girls earn and they don't have to pay fines if they doesn't show up at work.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2230713]The world is currently in recession and there are no longer the vast numbers of men with disposable income traveling to exotic locations to get their freak on. I have observed from since around 2010 a decline in the p4p experience world wide. The quality and quantity of working girls has declined significantly in every major mongering destination.

Some hobbyists are under the mistaken view that in a recession more women would be out of a job and as a result turn to prostitution but that is not necessarily the case, if it were so then the poorest countries would have the highest incidences of p4p but that is not so. It appears that recession has the opposite effect of reducing the prevalence of our hobby.[/QUOTE]I don't think the world is in recession. I fly a lot and can tell you flights in the USA And Europe are packed with both business people and tourists. Business is good, markets are up. The travel business originating in those regions is booming. I would say the global economic boom is currently choppy across other regions.

And yes, I think the poorest countries generally have the highest incidences of p4p. When communist countries first started opening up in the 90s, they were great mongering destinations until some countries drove it underground. Also, the prices started to climb for the hottest girls in these former communist bloc countries as global mongers increased demand. I would tell you Venezuela should be where the action is heating up, but I think the hottest girls have bailed out for Spain and other countries. That's the flip side of globalization the hot girls can just as easy go to the affluent mongers in Europe and elsewhere.

I think BwanaD presents an interesting picture of today's mongering.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2231132].............And yes, I think the poorest countries generally have the highest incidences of p4p...............[/QUOTE]The world's poorest countries namely those countries with a GDP per capita is below $1,000 per year are as follows:

28. Sudan -- GDP per capita: $992.

27. Benin -- $966.

26. Chad -- $919.

25. Nepal -- $918.

24. Mali -- $917.

23. Guinea-Bissau -- $910.

22. Ethiopia -- $909.

21. Comoros -- $869.

20. Tajikistan -- $848.

19. Haiti -- $847.

18. Rwanda -- $819.

17. Guinea -- $816.

16. Burkina Faso -- $750.

15. Liberia -- $722.

14. Uganda -- $711.

13. Togo -- $698.

12. Afghanistan -- $601.

11. Niger -- $510.

10. Sierra Leone -- $505.

9. The Gambia -- $500.

8. Madagascar -- $479.

7. Democratic Republic of Congo -- $477.

6. Mozambique -- $472.

5. Yemen -- $449.

4. Central African Republic -- $425.

3. Malawi -- $342.

2. Burundi -- $339.

1. South Sudan -- $246.

The above mentioned countries have the least incidence of prostitution in the world unless mongers have frequented these countries and have had better experiences than richer countries such as in Europe, Brazil, Colombia, Thailand, Costa Rica, Panama, Dubai, etc.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2230351]Why do you suppose the scene in Sao Paulo has been relatively left alone?[/QUOTE]In Sao Paolo there is more money floating around than in Rio so all.

The establishments can pay the subornos to the authorities and they frequent the places as well for free-.

I know this for a fact as I met several detectives who work for SP police stationed in Rio and they all said same thing.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2231194]The world's poorest countries namely those countries with a GDP per capita is below $1,000 per year are as follows:

14. Uganda -- $711.


The above mentioned countries have the least incidence of prostitution in the world unless mongers have frequented these countries and have had better experiences than richer countries such as in Europe, Brazil, Colombia, Thailand, Costa Rica, Panama, Dubai, etc.[/QUOTE]Man,

You should check out those places yourself before you say that. I don't know about others, but prostitution is rampant in Uganda. Almost any major club and bar have women roaming around looking for opportunities to make some money, pros, semi-pros, non-pros alike. You don't need foreign mongers to frequent this country to boost prostitution, most customers are local Africans. Men need to have sex, foreigner or not, so there's always business in the prostitution industry. In the poorest countries, women would even have sex in exchange for food instead of money. In fact, low income does make P4P easier, because the poorer a country is, the more likely you can get semi-pros or even non-pros to have sex: in Kampala, 50 percent of time you can approach a random non pro in the street and offer to have a date with her and buy her some nice things she usually can't afford, like a good meal, which is not expensive for a foreigner, and then get laid.

Bad economy does promote prostitution, because that's the fastest way, if not the only way, a hot girl can earn way more money than if she does other jobs. What brings down prostitution is something non-economical, such as government legislation, social morality, feminist awareness, etc. A good example is Cuba, which legally bans prostitution. Believe me, if prostitution was legal in Cuba, women would be crazy to sell their bodies for money. Another good example is North Korea. North Korean women are generally pretty, well, by Asian standards at least. Most of them don't need the surgery like South Korean women do to have a pretty face, but few of them think about doing prostitution to make money, even though the country's economy is bad as hell, because prostitution is highly stigmatized in the country, paid sex is regarded as a disgusting sin.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2231194]The world's poorest countries namely those countries with a GDP per capita is below $1,000 per year are as follows:

28. Sudan -- GDP per capita: $992.

27. Benin -- $966.

26. Chad -- $919.

25. Nepal -- $918.

24. Mali -- $917.

23. Guinea-Bissau -- $910.

22. Ethiopia -- $909.

21. Comoros -- $869.

20. Tajikistan -- $848.

19. Haiti -- $847.[/QUOTE]Yes, but I think it's because those places do not have a lot of attractive women. The main reason why men monger is to sleep with attractive women that they usually won't get back home. To bang a attractive Brazilian or Colombian back in America is very hard when you think about how much money your going to have to spend on dates and time your going to waste just to get them into bed.

I hope I'm not offending anyone but places like the Congo, Sierra Leone, Rawanda, just to name a few off your list. Most of the population of girls are not attractive or just borderline ugly. If you want to bang ugly chicks you don't really need to leave the country. You can't really compare to a place like Brazil, Columbia, DR where your going to find very beautiful attractive females. Model material. I'm sure there are model chicks in the Congo but it's very few. Most of them are ugly and most guys would not pay any real money to bang a chick in the Congo. Which is why there is no real mongering scene.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2231194]The world's poorest countries namely those countries with a GDP per capita is below $1,000 per year are as follows:

The above mentioned countries have the least incidence of prostitution in the world unless mongers have frequented these countries and have had better experiences than richer countries such as in Europe, Brazil, Colombia, Thailand, Costa Rica, Panama, Dubai, etc.[/QUOTE]I will still argue my point. For most of us here, we need a certain amount of tourist infrastructure and security. Let's throw out poor, Muslim-dominated countries for practical reasons. I don't think Muslim men are any more virtuous, but I'm guessing they aren't exactly thrilled for Westerners to come and taste the local fruit.

I know some of those countries on the list have a local scene. You can hire a guide and he would take you through the local scene step-by-step. Your money will go very far. In fact, I know some adventurous guys who had a blast in Mozambique (women, beaches, food). Since I appreciate women of all races and ethnicities, I don't have any dietary restrictions.

I second what Gropai says. A little bit of charm can easily get you some non-pros. You can probably get an all-nighter for $30-$50 in those countries.

If you are predisposed to not find African women attractive that's your prerogative. In the cities, you will find attractive, young black women in the right clubs. We are not talking about villagers who have nursed three kids by age twenty.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2231132]I don't think the world is in recession. I fly a lot and can tell you flights in the USA And Europe are packed with both business people and tourists. Business is good, markets are up. The travel business originating in those regions is booming. I would say the global economic boom is currently choppy across other regions.[/QUOTE]You are correct and anyone who says we are in a worldwide recession isn't in tune with what's going on in the world. Here is what the IMF has to say about GDP growth around the globe.

[URL]https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/NGDP_RPCH@WEO/OEMDC/ADVEC/WEOWORLD[/URL]

Then again, it will mean little to someone who doesn't understand what a recession is in the first place.

[QUOTE=Gropai;2231249]You should check out those places yourself before you say that. Men need to have sex, foreigner or not, so there's always business in the prostitution industry. In the poorest countries, women would even have sex in exchange for food instead of money. In fact, low income does make P4P easier, because the poorer a country is, the more likely you can get semi-pros or even non-pros to have sex. Bad economy does promote prostitution, because that's the fastest way, if not the only way, a hot girl can earn way more money than if she does other jobs. What brings down prostitution is something non-economical, such as government legislation, social morality, feminist awareness, etc.[/QUOTE]You absolutely nailed it with the complete truth. I have personal knowledge of some of these countries (won't say which), and I know first-hand that prostitution is very alive and thriving in them. We have to remember that most prostitution is local and depends primarily on the people living in a place for it to happen there. That's sometimes easy for us to forget since a site like this is heavily frequented by traveling "foreign" mongers. But that's not how most prostitution goes down. And I don't know why some people would think that poverty isn't a main driver of prostitution. It totally is! And like you said, plenty in a poor country will even fuck for food. Let us remember the relatively recent Oxfam scandals in Haiti and Africa: [URL]https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2018/02/15/586135767/why-sex-scandals-persist-in-the-humanitarian-aid-world.[/URL].

I have no problem with mongers visiting the poorest countries to get it on with the abundance of providers they say they see there. That would leave more for me in the richer countries which they say have less prostitutes. No one, however, will deny that that the country with the most prostitutes in the world is the good old USA the world's richest country. The problem however is the damned christian right who are f..king up the scene there. In spite of their actions the hookers are out in great numbers all over the country. However, give me Brazil, Canada, Thailand, Germany, Colombia where its cheaper and the working girls provide better service.

The economy experts in the forum says recession means more prostitution. I doubt that's right in the case of Rio. The privê scene in centro in Rio should give a fairly good view of the current situation in Rio. Many privées have closed down because the lack of clients. The privées live on the locals coming in for a daytime f*ck. As Brazil is in a crisis right now there are less customers who can afford to visit privées. I've spoken with several puteiro gerentes who all told me how business has gone down because of the crisis. Even Vila Mimosa who charges R$60 have much less girls and customers because of the crisis.

F*ck for food? Why don't you go to Mabs with a grilled chicken and see if any GP is eager to make business (considering that many of the Mabs-girls are overweight girls you might be lucky)?

[QUOTE=Sperto;2231553]F*ck for food? Why don't you go to Mabs with a grilled chicken and see if any GP is eager to make business (considering that many of the Mabs-girls are overweight girls you might be lucky)?[/QUOTE]I didn't see Brazil on Turgid's list. Did anybody? But when you stop and think about it, a lot of guys all over the world actually do at least hope girls will fuck for food. Isn't that what you call taking her out for dinner and a movie (which usually includes even more food)? LOLOLOL! Problem is that with "regular" girls it requires many, many dinners and movies and all sorts of other things before she puts out. If even then! So, a guy like me chooses to stick with the tutes in a termas or an FKK. Find them, feel them, finger them, fuck them, forget them. But don't you go feed them! Let them get their own damn food with the money you just paid them! Most top FKKs sell food and some termas too ha!

[QUOTE=Sperto;2231553]The economy experts in the forum says recession means more prostitution. I doubt that's right in the case of Rio.[/QUOTE]Let's not get carried away. We know government and police policies have been a factor in Rio.

I had an older male relative who was part of the occupation force in Japan after WWII. Forgetting the tragedy of the war, his stories of picking up Japanese pros and non-pros sounded incredible. Some guys would have live-in, love-in maids. In a short period, the Japanese economy took off and prostitution subsided greatly.

Now post-WWII Japan is a unique case. I'm sure the ratio of available men to women was extremely problematic for women. I always thought post WWII Germany would have been an amazing time for an American male.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2231570]Let's not get carried away. We know government and police policies have been a factor in Rio.

I had an older male relative who was part of the occupation force in Japan after WWII. Forgetting the tragedy of the war, his stories of picking up Japanese pros and non-pros sounded incredible. Some guys would have live-in, love-in maids. In a short period, the Japanese economy took off and prostitution subsided greatly.

Now post-WWII Japan is a unique case. I'm sure the ratio of available men to women was extremely problematic for women. I always thought post WWII Germany would have been an amazing time for an American male.[/QUOTE]The know-it-all about Rio think they know it all about Rio, and I doubt they really know it all about Rio. Just because they see some shops close down and have a talk with some people, they think they get the big picture and are absolutely correct. And obviously, they think Mabs is the same as the "poorest countries" where women have sex for food.

The subject of Brazilian economics and prostitution are shades of gray. Without trying to be diplomatic, everyone has made good points that don't necessarily conflict. I think Bwana made the point about girls advertising on websites or the UTR girls on social media. Is that optimal for tourists? Obviously, no.

I'm beyond my pick-up days, but I would presume the lousy economy makes more opportunities with non-pros. In the past, I would hit on every store clerk, cashier, waitress and any female that I came across. Most would smile. Some would take the bait. That was what made Brazil a blast. A trip to the mall could very easily wind up with a date that night.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2231570]Let's not get carried away. We know government and police policies have been a factor in Rio.

I had an older male relative who was part of the occupation force in Japan after WWII. Forgetting the tragedy of the war, his stories of picking up Japanese pros and non-pros sounded incredible. Some guys would have live-in, love-in maids. In a short period, the Japanese economy took off and prostitution subsided greatly.

Now post-WWII Japan is a unique case. I'm sure the ratio of available men to women was extremely problematic for women. I always thought post WWII Germany would have been an amazing time for an American male.[/QUOTE]Post war Germany WAS an amazing time for American GI's. This is well documented. For a variety of arguable and interesting reasons, the American GI got nowhere the play that he received with the "frauleins". (meaning they were not nearly as popular with for e. G. French women, Italian women, etc).

But they did very well in Germany. And this was also the case for black American Gi's.

[URL]https://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=6913[/URL]

[QUOTE=Sperto;2231553]The economy experts in the forum says recession means more prostitution. I doubt that's right in the case of Rio. The priv scene in centro in Rio should give a fairly good view of the current situation in Rio. Many prives have closed down because the lack of clients. The prives live on the locals coming in for a daytime f*ck. As Brazil is in a crisis right now there are less customers who can afford to visit prives. I've spoken with several puteiro gerentes who all told me how business has gone down because of the crisis. Even Vila Mimosa who charges R$60 have much less girls and customers because of the crisis.

F*ck for food? Why don't you go to Mabs with a grilled chicken and see if any GP is eager to make business (considering that many of the Mabs-girls are overweight girls you might be lucky)?[/QUOTE]Recession in Rio to me means that many gdps escape to UK, Spain and even New Zealand and Dubai etc if they can. If they can't they go online and hustle in many different spots to make ends meet. I've found many who quit will come over and hang and we enjoy our company and they get a little help-like it's amiga colorida and she gets a little 100 reais and a meal. Rio is def suffering and only the best and toughest survive -look at all the promoções the termas are running now to drum up business!2 for 1- 40 minutes free raffle-sex bingo-free entry. Anything to snare us in. I find the non pros more eager now that times are hard-less guys to take them out etc. The crisis is real-it's damn hard to find a job in Rio and it shows.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2231553]The economy experts in the forum says recession means more prostitution. [/QUOTE]I don't know who actually said that recession means more prostitution. However, I can personally attest to the fact that economic meltdown will push women into prostitution, even traveling to foreign countries to have sex with foreign men. That has happened before in recent history but most recently we have seen an influx of girls from Venezuela in the casas of Colombia. I ran across a number of them last month when I was in Bogota. Pretty girls indeed, I even sessioned with one Criolla and came close to sessioning with another (though I felt they were not as service oriented as the native Colombianas based on my limited experience). But, economic calamity is a bit different from a simple recession. I have no experience in Cuba, but it is my understanding that dwindling living standards in the post-Cold War era was what made Cuba into a mongering destination. When women run out of the basics, they have a precious commodity to sell if they are young and attractive.

So is Fortaleza worth a visit?

[QUOTE=Sperto;2230345]All capitals in Brazil have been affected by clean-ups, even those capitals that are no major tourist destinations. However, capitals that are tourist destinations have been more affected. You mentioned Fortaleza, it has been very much affected.
The only clean-up exception is propably So Paulo.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2231669]Rio is def suffering and only the best and toughest survive -look at all the promoes the termas are running now to drum up business!2 for 1- 40 minutes free raffle-sex bingo-free entry.[/QUOTE]That's true. The last two years I've seen for the first time some privées lowering their prices because of less business.
That's a nice strategy in contrary to the normal Brazilian strategy: business is bad, let's raise the prices so we earn more money.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2231669]Recession in Rio to me means that many gdps escape to UK, Spain and even New Zealand and Dubai etc if they can.......................[/QUOTE]Spot on. The poorer a country gets the greater the decline of p4p. The working girls go to richer destinations where prostitution proliferates.

I'm in rio right now.

There is no crisis they're just more greedy than before trying to get more money for less services.

No one of the famous prives is closed (full of clients).

You have to wait in a line with the most popular ones.

Even some of them won't session for one hour only for 20 min (they're too busy).

The problem is with the new generation of GDP.

They session with a cellphone in the hands etc.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2231890]Spot on. The poorer a country gets the greater the decline of p4p. The working girls go to richer destinations where prostitution proliferates.[/QUOTE]I would think that the poorer the country the less likely the working girl would leave just because her limited resources wouldn't allow her to escape. I mean, how many women from say Burundi or Burkina Faso do you find working in rich countries as prostitutes? I think what you say may be true up to some break point where the country is so poor that the working girls couldn't leave even if they wanted to simply due to a lack of means. If you're dirt poor, then you're pretty stuck where you are.

[QUOTE=Sargent 50;2231747]So is Fortaleza worth a visit?[/QUOTE]Being the Rio thread I make the answer short.Yes it is. Fortaleza is still a great city. Unfortunately the only mongering scenes left are Zipi Bar, Armazem, privées and streetwalkers. See more in the Fortaleza thread.

Has anyone watched a live on stage sex scene. I would love to see live sex especially lesbian sex. In Rio does anyone know of a show like this?

[QUOTE=Hotrod10;2232200]Has anyone watched a live on stage sex scene. I would love to see live sex especially lesbian sex. In Rio does anyone know of a show like this?[/QUOTE]Go to 4 x 4 I am sure you will find many willing participants for the right price to put on any kind of show you would like. Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Hotrod10;2232200]Has anyone watched a live on stage sex scene. I would love to see live sex especially lesbian sex. In Rio does anyone know of a show like this?[/QUOTE]LOL you might be about 20 to 30 years too late. Back in the day for me in the 1980's I went to a bar in Copacabana called Club Munchen, yes it had live lesbo show with about 10 girls lined up on stage performing DATY on each other then 1 guy would come out who was anatomically impressive and have sex with a few of the girls. It was all staged and not looking very real. The place also had takeout, so we would go there watch a little show then if we found a girl we liked we would leave with her. I don't think they have anything like this anymore. Club Erotika might have a little show these days but nothing like it was back in the day.

If you want to see live Lesbos then take a girl to a swing club and for sure she will get approached by some other girl for sex, happens all the time.

50% of the prives are closed down and the other ones will be closed pretty soon.

Never liked those kind of establishments {line production factory's) with a shitty small cabins dirty beds and sheets.

Waiting in a line for a GDP who gets 20 clients for 8 hours everyday (imagine you are the last one).

In the future they're going to be only 2 spots open.

The Mabs for tourists.

And Vila Mimosa for locals.

There was a live sex show at Frank's Bar on Avenida Princesa Isabel in 2002. It totally caught me off-guard. We had a front row seat totally by accident. The girl was cute, but not a beauty by the Copacabana standards of the time. If you are interested, he was a shorter, athletic, young guy.

I used to frequent and hook-up with girls from Frank's in the late 90's / early 2000's. It was smaller and less hustle than Barbarella's. They had a few very, pretty girls. One time I saw this beautiful fair, brunette wiggling in her thong on a pedestal. No one was getting up. Not knowing the protocol, I got up and slipped what was about US $5 into her thong. She seemed surprised and then she kissed me on the lips. She gave me her number and I called her the following day to hook-up. She was eager to please me.

Barbarella's was fine. There was more of a "show" show. The girls would negotiate hard. We always had to check our bill. We started ordering beers because I remember them once putting a bottle of whiskey on the table. Of course, you had to argue with your waiter over how much whiskey you drank.

[QUOTE=JuveStadium;2232371]50% of the prives are closed down and the other ones will be closed pretty soon.

Never liked those kind of establishments {line production factory's) with a shitty small cabins dirty beds and sheets.

Waiting in a line for a GDP who gets 20 clients for 8 hours everyday (imagine you are the last one).

In the future they're going to be only 2 spots open.

The Mabs for tourists.

And Vila Mimosa for locals.[/QUOTE]Great source of bad info, thanks, LOL.

[QUOTE=Hotrod10;2232200]Has anyone watched a live on stage sex scene. I would love to see live sex especially lesbian sex. In Rio does anyone know of a show like this?[/QUOTE]You guys were born too late. Back in the 70's and 80's live sex and lesbian shows for as little as $1 and no more than $5 were in abundance on 42nd street and also on Broadway and other parts of NYC. Hookers could be found everywhere for a little more than $10 a pop. No need to travel for cheap sex. The wealthy visited Brazil and Thailand for exotic thrills. Ahhh the good old days!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2232486]You guys were born too late. Back in the 70's and 80's live sex and lesbian shows for as little as $1 and no more than $5 were in abundance on 42nd street and also on Broadway and other parts of NYC. Hookers could be found everywhere for a little more than $10 a pop. No need to travel for cheap sex. The wealthy visited Brazil and Thailand for exotic thrills. Ahhh the good old days![/QUOTE]Yeah what happen? These days there is nothing for men to enjoy anymore. Especially with the whole conservative moment in the United States and feminism. Now you have to fly out the country and even that is getting worst every year as feminism is spreading to our favorite destinations. Countries are getting pressured to cut down on sex tourism.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2232486]You guys were born too late. Back in the 70's and 80's live sex and lesbian shows for as little as $1 and no more than $5 were in abundance on 42nd street and also on Broadway and other parts of NYC. Hookers could be found everywhere for a little more than $10 a pop. No need to travel for cheap sex. The wealthy visited Brazil and Thailand for exotic thrills. Ahhh the good old days![/QUOTE]Have you and others watched The Deuce on HBO with James Franco and Maggie Gyllenhaal? It's all about the Hell's Kitchen / Times Square sex industry in that era. Season 1 was actually very good. I have yet to dive into Season 2.

I've heard stories of guys driving around picking up hookers for quick blow jobs just outside the Lincoln Tunnel.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2232486]You guys were born too late. Back in the 70's and 80's live sex and lesbian shows for as little as $1 and no more than $5 were in abundance on 42nd street and also on Broadway and other parts of NYC. Hookers could be found everywhere for a little more than $10 a pop. No need to travel for cheap sex. The wealthy visited Brazil and Thailand for exotic thrills. Ahhh the good old days![/QUOTE]Yeah, then Rudy Giuliani showed up and fucked it up for everybody. Oh, excuse me! I meant "cleaned" it up LOL!

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2232503]Have you and others watched The Deuce on HBO with James Franco and Maggie Gyllenhaal? It's all about the Hell's Kitchen / Times Square sex industry in that era. Season 1 was actually very good. I have yet to dive into Season 2.

I've heard stories of guys driving around picking up hookers for quick blow jobs just outside the Lincoln Tunnel.[/QUOTE]Thats a must watch for me. Will check it out. If there are any flashbacks chances are I'll be in them. I used to prowl 42nd street and Times Square during my spare time back in the day, my best mongering days ever.
On another note it is apparent that Jair Bolsonaro will be the next president of Brazil. I don't know much about him other than he is right wing. I hope he is not Christian right otherwise it's bye bye to our hobby.

I have a fantasy I'd like to live out whilst I'm here in Rio, basically I want to be cuckolded by a hot blonde busty brazilian with a hot bunda and watch her and a well endowed black guy do it whilst I watch, I would like to watch and then maybe session with the girl afterwards, even hotter would be to find a hot kinky dominatrix to dominate me whilst I watch the interracial couple have sex. Any ideas on how to fulfill this hot fetish of mine would be welcome.

[QUOTE=Winthorp;2232756]I have a fantasy I'd like to live out whilst I'm here in Rio, basically I want to be cuckolded by a hot blonde busty brazilian with a hot bunda and watch her and a well endowed black guy do it whilst I watch, I would like to watch and then maybe session with the girl afterwards, even hotter would be to find a hot kinky dominatrix to dominate me whilst I watch the interracial couple have sex. Any ideas on how to fulfill this hot fetish of mine would be welcome.[/QUOTE]Be patient, I think the forum have some experts very capable of answering this question (I'm sorry for my grammar, Admin2 put me on a remedial reading class).

[QUOTE=Turgid;2232690]Thats a must watch for me. Will check it out. If there are any flashbacks chances are I'll be in them. I used to prowl 42nd street and Times Square during my spare time back in the day, my best mongering days ever.
On another note it is apparent that Jair Bolsonaro will be the next president of Brazil. I don't know much about him other than he is right wing. I hope he is not Christian right otherwise it's bye bye to our hobby.[/QUOTE]Turgid,

I remember there was a place on 42nd street downstairs where went into a booth, put in a quarter and a screen would rise and you could grope the girls therein for a minute or so. One time I was there in the winter and had stupidly put my wallet in my coat front pocket. Bye bye wallet, I guess it got groped in return.

Regarding Bolsonaro, I'm a newbie to Brazil, planning my first visit in a few weeks. But my understanding is that sex for money is much more accepted in the culture than in the US. Be pretty hard to eradicate it at this point.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2232811]Turgid,

I remember there was a place on 42nd street downstairs where went into a booth, put in a quarter and a screen would rise and you could grope the girls therein for a minute or so. One time I was there in the winter and had stupidly put my wallet in my coat front pocket. Bye bye wallet, I guess it got groped in return..................[/QUOTE]There were numerous such places all over 42nd street and also on Broadway and Seventh Avenue. The biggest was Show World Inc at the corner of 42nd street and Seventh Av. 3 floors of hookers. You put in a token costing a quarter and the window opens, you give the girl $1 and she puts her ass through the window where you stick your tongue in her snatch and / or culo. You can get her number for p4p when she's off work. There were extremely hot girls there better looking than the hottest FKK wgs today. The only mongering times better than then was IMO Weimar Berlin in the 1920's.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2232503]Have you and others watched The Deuce on HBO with James Franco and Maggie Gyllenhaal? It's all about the Hell's Kitchen / Times Square sex industry in that era. Season 1 was actually very good. I have yet to dive into Season 2.

I've heard stories of guys driving around picking up hookers for quick blow jobs just outside the Lincoln Tunnel.[/QUOTE]I've been watching the 2nd season going on now the Duece, it's pretty good. I grew up in NYC and as a teen during the 70's I would go to 42nd street or 49th st and 8th ave and they were all over the place. Got to know a few of them but they were high turnover, had my first sex there a nice black girl in the hotel room, when I was about to mount her I guess she could see I was having difficulty figuring it out and she said to me: This your first time honey? I was so embarrassed but I said no.

[QUOTE=RioBob;2232816]I've been watching the 2nd season going on now the Duece, it's pretty good. I grew up in NYC and as a teen during the 70's I would go to 42nd street or 49th st and 8th ave and they were all over the place. Got to know a few of them but they were high turnover, had my first sex there a nice black girl in the hotel room, when I was about to mount her I guess she could see I was having difficulty figuring it out and she said to me: This your first time honey? I was so embarrassed but I said no.[/QUOTE]I've just got to respond to this as it mirrors my first time which was in a room on 7th avenue. She also was black and realized it was my first time and upon asking me I said it was and I never forgot her words to me: "I won't tell a soul", LOL.

I would like to ask the experienced member of this forum to do something that is sorely needed: give a thorough overview of the scene and the option in Brazil as it stand in this year of our Lord, 2018. For much of recent months, the banter has been focused around the Brazil of yesteryear, and much pining for night clubs that have been closed for over a decade. What does that do to help the first-timer in Brazil? Not much. And at first glance, the options in Brazil are more stratified than in other countries, with names like clinicas, termas, boates, and prive, all which mean nothing to the inexperienced visitor. I'm still not clear on them. Germany might have its different varieties of "Der Puff" (FKK, Laufhaus, Bordell), but Germany is also an Anglophone friendly country which pulls in low-level mongers with Euros to burn. Brazil appears to be a bit of a challenge, at least based on recent comments which suggest that the industry is heavily focused towards the native, or at least the speaker of Portuguese.

That said, it would be in the better interest of this forum to get back on topic. Try to shed some fresh info on this legendary city and what it has to offer. After all, this is not a Philippines thread where anything goes these days.

I would like to see a live lesbian show. I haven't read of one in RIO but if there is one please let me know. If not in RIO where else. I enjoy this so much If possible I would fly to another city to watch one.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2232811]Turgid,

Regarding Bolsonaro, I'm a newbie to Brazil, planning my first visit in a few weeks. But my understanding is that sex for money is much more accepted in the culture than in the US. Be pretty hard to eradicate it at this point.[/QUOTE]As for Bolsonaro, he is a right winger, The Elites in Brazil want him to win. So if he wins the election look for the Brazil Real to get stronger as he will cut a lot of Brazil government programs (Pension and Social Security). Which will satisfy foreign investors and wall street.

Now if the PT party which is Lula (Left Wingers) wins, look for the Brazil real to be weaker (4 to 1, or even 5 to 1). They will push more government spending, (Social Security, Social Programs, Road and Highway Infrastructure Projects) Which Wall Street and a lot of foreign investors do not like.

So if Bolsonaro wins Brazilian mongering will be a little bit more expensive as the Brazil Real rise to the dollar.

[QUOTE=RioBob;2232816]I've been watching the 2nd season going on now the Duece, it's pretty good. I grew up in NYC and as a teen during the 70's I would go to 42nd street or 49th st and 8th ave and they were all over the place. Got to know a few of them but they were high turnover, had my first sex there a nice black girl in the hotel room, when I was about to mount her I guess she could see I was having difficulty figuring it out and she said to me: This your first time honey? I was so embarrassed but I said no.[/QUOTE]There was also a very dark and violent side to what was going on in NYC then. Somebody who I went to school with, a really, really hot white chick, lost her way and ended up on the streets of New York hooking. She was the type that you couldn't believe was engaging in prostitution. And especially on the seedy streets of NYC! She was murdered by the most prolific serial killer ever in the history of New York named Joel Rifkin. Those of you from New York, I'm sure you know the name. So it definitely was not all glamorous and fun, especially for the street tutes: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11yCFbICucc.[/URL].

[QUOTE=TheCane;2233106]There was also a very dark and violent side to what was going on in NYC then. Somebody who I went to school with, a really, really hot white chick, lost her way and ended up on the streets of New York hooking. She was the type that you couldn't believe was engaging in prostitution. And especially on the seedy streets of NYC! She was murdered by the most prolific serial killer ever in the history of New York named Joel Rifkin. Those of you from New York, I'm sure you know the name. So it definitely was not all glamorous and fun, especially for the street tutes: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11yCFbICucc.[/URL].[/QUOTE]1970's NYC had a dark side period. I saw too many young dudes O.D.ing on the streets. Blokes would openly offer to sell you coke, acid, speed. Many streets were very dangerous; on many occasions I turned and hightailed it upon seeing shady characters approaching me. My brother was hospitalized after a beating by some bouncers in a brothel. I must admit though the service by the dames was excellent which made facing the dangers worth the trouble. No women in the world can give head like a NYC hooker. Also I liked the humor from the ladies which you don't get today.

With respect to Brazil politics a weak Real will certainly be good for our hobby. However, economics is not my strong point but I hope that whoever wins it is accompanied by an improvement in the Brazilian economy for the sake of the well being of our hosts and hostesses.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;2233060]As for Bolsonaro, he is a right winger, The Elites in Brazil want him to win. So if he wins the election look for the Brazil Real to get stronger as he will cut a lot of Brazil government programs (Pension and Social Security). Which will satisfy foreign investors and wall street.

Now if the PT party which is Lula (Left Wingers) wins, look for the Brazil real to be weaker (4 to 1, or even 5 to 1). They will push more government spending, (Social Security, Social Programs, Road and Highway Infrastructure Projects) Which Wall Street and a lot of foreign investors do not like.

So if Bolsonaro wins Brazilian mongering will be a little bit more expensive as the Brazil Real rise to the dollar.[/QUOTE]If Bolsonaro wins which he likely will, he in an attempt to pander to his evangelical fan base, will clean up Rio and SP-he's campaigning on anti drug dealers anti putas anti black anti poor anti indigenous anti welfare pro violence and pro military control-see our beloved Brasil change for the worse. Mark my words it will go more underground in Rio and SP you'll see. He could shut the termas, boates, VM etc to please the Bible Belt. Also in general it's going to get more violent against the victims of Brazilian society -the blacks the Indians the gays the poor- and even more civil unrest which will be met with brute force. If he starts implementing what he's threatening it might be the end of my Brazilian love affair. Abs.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2233223]He could shut the termas, boates, VM etc to please the Bible Belt. [/QUOTE]Where exactly in Brazil is the "Bible Belt".

Las Vegas Bookmakers are giving 10-1 odds it will be after Christmas before we see a current trip report about the subject of this thread- Rio de Janeiro Reports.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;2233060]As for Bolsonaro, he is a right winger, The Elites in Brazil want him to win. So if he wins the election look for the Brazil Real to get stronger as he will cut a lot of Brazil government programs (Pension and Social Security). Which will satisfy foreign investors and wall street.

Now if the PT party which is Lula (Left Wingers) wins, look for the Brazil real to be weaker (4 to 1, or even 5 to 1). They will push more government spending, (Social Security, Social Programs, Road and Highway Infrastructure Projects) Which Wall Street and a lot of foreign investors do not like.

So if Bolsonaro wins Brazilian mongering will be a little bit more expensive as the Brazil Real rise to the dollar.[/QUOTE]Not so sure about that, when Lula was in power and into Dilma the Real was pretty strong. Back then commodities were hot and really helped the Brazilian economy. Lula did reap some of the policies implemented by FHC, so it's not as simple as PT wins, Real weakens. It's tough to predict what's going to happen as there are many variables to the equation.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2232846]I would like to ask the experienced member of this forum to do something that is sorely needed: give a thorough overview of the scene and the option in Brazil as it stand in this year of our Lord, 2018.[/QUOTE]Why don't you ask a question? Is anyone prohibiting you from Expressing yourself Eszpresszo?

The Termas scene doesn't change that much day by day. We could use some up to date, on the ground intel on prives. Has anyone been to Vila Mimosa lately?

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2233264]Why don't you ask a question? Is anyone prohibiting you from Expressing yourself Eszpresszo?

The Termas scene doesn't change that much day by day. We could use some up to date, on the ground intel on prives. Has anyone been to Vila Mimosa lately?[/QUOTE]But, I just did ask the big question. Can you guys tell someone who has never been south of the equator how and where to get started in Rio? Because I always do field reports on the destinations I visit, and I always try to provide info that is useful for the complete novice.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2233223]If Bolsonaro wins which he likely will, he in an attempt to pander to his evangelical fan base, will clean up Rio and SP-he's campaigning on anti drug dealers anti putas anti black anti poor anti indigenous anti welfare pro violence and pro military control-see our beloved Brasil change for the worse. Mark my words it will go more underground in Rio and SP you'll see. He could shut the termas, boates, VM etc to please the Bible Belt. Also in general it's going to get more violent against the victims of Brazilian society -the blacks the Indians the gays the poor- and even more civil unrest which will be met with brute force. If he starts implementing what he's threatening it might be the end of my Brazilian love affair. Abs.[/QUOTE]LMFAO! You sound a lot like a doomsayer.

It's hilarious to read what you got to say considering that Ronaldinho, Lucas Moura and Felipe Melo are likely to vote for Jair Bolsonaro.

He can not win without the support of people of color.

Anyways, a crack down on prostitution shouldn't effect you too much since you have said that you are mostly doing non-pros.

When it comes to the crack down on prostitution in Brasil, it started way before Bolsonaro.

[QUOTE=Winthorp;2232756]I have a fantasy I'd like to live out whilst I'm here in Rio, basically I want to be cuckolded by a hot blonde busty brazilian with a hot bunda and watch her and a well endowed black guy do it whilst I watch, I would like to watch and then maybe session with the girl afterwards, even hotter would be to find a hot kinky dominatrix to dominate me whilst I watch the interracial couple have sex. Any ideas on how to fulfill this hot fetish of mine would be welcome.[/QUOTE]You could try the escort route for the cuckold fantasy. As to a Dominatrix, there where few back in the day, even fewer now, based on a quick google search. You might have better luck in Sao Paulo. They had BDSM clubs in SP, I'm not sure of how that scene is now.

[URL]https://massagerepublic.com/bdsm-female-escorts-in-sao-paulo[/URL]

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2233223]If Bolsonaro wins which he likely will, he in an attempt to pander to his evangelical fan base.......................[/QUOTE]Brazil is a primarily Roman Catholic country. Does he really have such a fan base? Is the best mongering in the world about to be f..ked up?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2233427]Brazil is a primarily Roman Catholic country. Does he really have such a fan base? Is the best mongering in the world about to be f..ked up?[/QUOTE]No. Religious people in Brazil are way different than religious people in say a country like the United States. Brazilians have a liberal attitude towards sex. Sex is not seen as some kind of Sin. Which is why Brazilian women are so open and freaky when it comes to sex. I highly doubt they will closed termas like 4 x 4, Monte Carlo or termas centaurus. Most of there clients are upper class Brazilians and Business Elites and they support Bolsonario. So I don't think they would like that he shut down there after work social hangout spots. Feminism has not taken over Brazil just yet. It's still a macho society.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2232503]Have you and others watched The Deuce on HBO with James Franco and Maggie Gyllenhaal? It's all about the Hell's Kitchen / Times Square sex industry in that era. Season 1 was actually very good. I have yet to dive into Season 2.

I've heard stories of guys driving around picking up hookers for quick blow jobs just outside the Lincoln Tunnel.[/QUOTE]I am really enjoying watching "The Deuce" on HBO, when I 1st heard they were going to film about the sex era I didn't believe they would catch it like it really was. BUT to my surprise they were spot on. I was station at Lakehurst, New Jersey in the United States Navy for school for 5-6 months I would jump on a Greyhound with 3-4 other Sailors and get off at the Bus Station in NYC with a pocket full of money after checking into our Hotel rooms and changing clothes taking showers we would hit (peep shows, Massage Parlors,) etc hell we heard about crime BUT with the 5 of us standing between 6'3-6'6 young and fit guys from LA, Chi-town, etc. And we were season salty sailors that been overseas a few times going into some hell holes so walking the streets of NYC was a cake walk. At night we would hit some Mom and Pop Pizza spots and hit Studio 54 & clubs at night. I LOVED those times.

Kid Cisco.

As I ignore SP forum, looked at the RJ forum and noticed that Mickeystanis took over RJ forum and turned it into NY forum. I mean, seriously!? Who cares as RJ visitor under which NY bridge or corner some US monger fucked in 70's or 80's and which TV series showing the same places? For this is [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=1078%22[/URL]. #EleSim

[QUOTE=Traveller44;2233572]As I ignore SP forum, looked at the RJ forum and noticed that Mickeystanis took over RJ forum and turned it into NY forum. I mean, seriously!? Who cares as RJ visitor under which NY bridge or corner some US monger fucked in 70's or 80's and which TV series showing the same places? For this is [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=1078%22[/URL]. #EleSim[/QUOTE]LOL ok true that. And I did my part sending the thread that way.

The problem is you'the normally tell us to take it to the NY forum only. There is none.

Which is a bit chilling given today's election results.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2233593]LOL ok true that. And I did my part sending the thread that way.

The problem is you'the normally tell us to take it to the NY forum only. There is none.

Which is a bit chilling given today's election results.[/QUOTE]I know there is not NY forum, that is why I added the link which is directly affiliated (American women) with the experiences there.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2233368]LMFAO! You sound a lot like a doomsayer.

It's hilarious to read what you got to say considering that Ronaldinho, Lucas Moura and Felipe Melo are likely to vote for Jair Bolsonaro.

He can not win without the support of people of color.

Anyways, a crack down on prostitution shouldn't effect you too much since you have said that you are mostly doing non-pros.

When it comes to the crack down on prostitution in Brasil, it started way before Bolsonaro.[/QUOTE]I've been living in Sampa for going on 4 yrs. I go to my GDP friends Instagram / Twitter & FaceBook pages / Whatsapp profile photos they're all posting pro-Bolsonaro posters / slogans! Something tells me there will be no crackdown on putas anytime soon.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2232137]Being the Rio thread I make the answer short.Yes it is. Fortaleza is still a great city. Unfortunately the only mongering scenes left are Zipi Bar, Armazem, prives and streetwalkers. See more in the Fortaleza thread.[/QUOTE]I asked because the intel is outdated March of this year to be exact, thanks tho.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2233707]It's absolutely logical they voted for.

Him-they are rich-upper class now and don't identify as ghetto anymore-they feel they have sth to lose-riches to protect and Bolsonaros all out capitalistic approach serves the rich and kills the poor. The elite might not like if he cleans up Rio or SP but if his evangelical base and ultra religious base demand it he may have to. Brazil will change dramatically next year-this guy favours torture, more killings etc let the fun begin. I'll be in Cali buried in brown racks if it goes the way I fear it will.People of color are brainwashed in Brazil as well and desperate for change but falling for this fake ass John Wayne routine is sad-this Guy is a con artist like Trump which is why he employs devil Steve Bannon to help...Im back in 9 days-better Check VM while its still here folks[/QUOTE]My strategy would be to wait until after the elections and see how things pan out. As the saying goes the only thing that is constant is change. We must accept whatever change occurs and act accordingly.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2228104]Help club is now open in centro. It's in Rio Branco. There are 50 girls. Open from 10 pm. The owner is American.

Entry is 20 reais.

Good time is back.[/QUOTE]Please provide details.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2233757]My strategy would be to wait until after the elections and see how things pan out. As the saying goes the only thing that is constant is change. We must accept whatever change occurs and act accordingly.[/QUOTE]You're probably right about what to do. You'll recall all of the incessant speculation that went on in the FKK threads about the impact of the impending legal changes that took effect on July 1, 2017. Geez right now we don't have any solid indications of legal changes impacting prostitution in Brazil, and already mongers are beginning to speculate and worry. Please, let's not go there! Let's wait and see. In the meantime, I am hoping to get back to Brazil again in the next several months. But, that was already planned versus any kind of reaction to Bolsonaro being elected.

Went to Rio last month. Decided I would try the termas, Mabs in incall service.

Was able to hit up Monte Carlo and 4 X 4. Was too tired and preoccupied to make it to Centaurus on my last night or any of the others. To be honest, I didn't particularly care for 4 X 4 or Monte Carlo, as I'm spoiled by FKK experience. I feel like the bar area way too small in both places, as I prefer wide open spaces like Cocal, FKK, Globe Zurich or just open air "hunting. " That being said, I would still head back to 4 x 4 next time I'm in town. I prefer those rooms and the general layout. Also felt the girls were a bit better looking in 4 x 4.

Process was simple enough in each place. I think I would up spending around 700 are at 4 x 4 and maybe a little less than 500 at Monte Carlo. I did a "Sultan" at 4 X4, which was worth it with the girl I picked but cheaped out due to tiredness at MC and only did a 40 min session in a small room.

I'm not very money conscious once I arrive but also not stupid. Though neither was breaking the bank, I totally prefer just using Hotside or similar sites for incall service. Did not have any bad experiences there and girls charged anywhere from 300-500/ hour, depending on preference. I figure for that damage, I can save the effort of going to termas as sitting in a tight dance floor area with 30 other guys is not really my thing.

In the future I'll probably just book an Apartment in Copa and use incall service, being sure to go for the girls that show their face. No bait and switch in my experience.

VM is not appealing to me at all. It's not what I seek out when I travel, so didn't bother going.

If anyone has any apartment rental connections, (4 bedrooms / 4 guys) in Leblon, Ipanema, or Copacabana. Please PM me. Rates are 2.5 x on AirBnB, and many of them have incorrect pricing.

Any advice or information would be appreciated.

Also, does anyone have recommendations for non-pro restaurant / bars that might be good for a group a gringos? I remember a place in Leblon, in 2012. We went every night, and pulled every night. However, I can't seem to find it. I'm guessing it's long gone. It was a two-story bar, with music upstairs, just a couple blocks up from the beach.

It's hard to say what a Bolsonaro victory will mean to the game. The "game" in Brazil is older than the modern political parties in the country. One thing I would have said for sure is a Bolsonaro victory would strengthen the Real. You are already seeing that.

What's happening in Brazil with Bolsonaro's likely victory is a repeat of global trends the last few years. Voters' preferences are breaking down into clear, polarized divisions. I'm not sure that voters clearly understanding the political differences is so terrible. Liberal journalists don't like strong right-leaning parties. They prefer and encourage centrist parties with a leftward drift.

If you like two parties playing in the center, you can look at Germany where you have two major parties virtually indistinguishable from each other. Extreme parties are gaining seats in the Bundestag while the two major parties play footsie with each other.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2234021]It's hard to say what a Bolsonaro victory will mean to the game. The "game" in Brazil is older than the modern political parties in the country. One thing I would have said for sure is a Bolsonaro victory would strengthen the Real. You are already seeing that.

What's happening in Brazil with Bolsonaro's likely victory is a repeat of global trends the last few years. Voters' preferences are breaking down into clear, polarized divisions. I'm not sure that voters clearly understanding the political differences is so terrible. Liberal journalists don't like strong right-leaning parties. They prefer and encourage centrist parties with a leftward drift.

If you like two parties playing in the center, you can look at Germany where you have two major parties virtually indistinguishable from each other. Extreme parties are gaining seats in the Bundestag while the two major parties play footsie with each other.[/QUOTE]Bolsonaro will become another Rodrigo Duterte of the Philippines. They think there tough talk and allowing police just to murder drug dealers without protocol will just make crime go away. Philippines is in worse shape then ever before, With More Drugs, More Crime, and Soaring Inflation with Higher Food Prices and a there currency devalued. Bolsonaro Victory will definitely help the Brazil Real as his economic advisor is looking to privatize everything from Healthcare to the Brazilian Rainforest. So after the honeymoon is over. Look for everything in Brazil to be super expensive. Which will create a war zone.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2233707] ... better Check VM while its still here folks[/QUOTE]Just got back from VM.

Pretty slow on a Monday night, but damn there were a few stunning hot and sexy mulatas, at 18 and 19 years old!

Ended up being a great night of fun!

Getting some good contact info around Rio and SP, just in case the PFP Doomsday guys are right, LOL.

Bolsonaro is a mixture of Trump and Duterte. With Lula in prison it was easy for him to win the election. People believe in him. He will get the economic going well, fight corruption and win the war against criminals. Easier said than done.

It will be interesting to see how the effects will be on the mongering scene. More expensive of course as the real is strengthening. If the brazilian economy gets stronger that might lead to more privées as the locals will have more money to spend on bunda. I just hope the evangélicos don't put pressure on Bolsonaro to close down privées. If Bolsonary manages to fight crimes and violence the cariocas might feel safer and start to go clubbing again like they used to. That would mean more girls on the clubs. Nobody knows how the monger-future looks in Brazil.

I would never consider to change playground because of Bolsonaro. Brazil will always have a nice mixture of pro's and regular girls.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2234051]I would never consider to change playground because of Bolsonaro. Brazil will always have a nice mixture of pro's and regular girls.[/QUOTE]That's exactly what my Brazillian buddies tell me!

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[QUOTE=Bill1963;2234318]Bolsonaro: Wealth, law and order, and a possible future like America and other first world counties.

Or.

Socialists: more debt, chase all capital out of the country, more lawlessness, and eventually a shit show on brazilians.

Now I love cheap pussy, but I am more concerned more for the well being of all my friends (none are rich, not even close) in Brazil, and their future prosperity, BTW they live in So Paulo and Parana and all voting for Bolsonaro, they all think this Lula is a BOZO.

Sometimes I wonder about some of the guys on this board, they would rather people live in misery, so they get cheap pussy.

LOL all their decisions and thought are based on price of pussy.

Kinda evil in some ways.[/QUOTE]Right Wing Policies won't help Brazil. The Current President Michel Temer in the last 2 years had Pro Business Market Friendly Policys and Tax Cuts and it has done nothing to improve the current situation. So I don't know how Bolsonaro is going to change anything.

Less Tax Revenue To the Treasury means huge government debt. At least america can turn on there printing press because the Dollar is the Reserve Currency But even that bubble is about to explode as by 2022 We will be paying more interest to the federal reserve then the Miltary Budget and Social Security Budget Combined. Where looking at 2008 all over again.

[QUOTE=Bill1963;2234315]... they have a home in Canada and Curitiba, he went last year for 2 months and couldn't believe how dangerous it's become...[/QUOTE]A very good political analysis. Regarding the violence. It really has gotten very bad in all of Brazil. A shame about Curitiba. It used to be one of the safest and neatest capitals in Brazil.
Rio always had problems with crimes and violence but the situation has become out of control in many parts. It's really messy. Bandit gangs like CV, TCP, PCC, ADA and militia, police and army, everybody is fighting. The police suffers from corruption, unpaid salaries and a high rate of police being killed on duty. It doesn't matter if you live in a favela or an upperclass area, everybody is affected by the violence. It's not a surprise Bolsonaro wins votes when he promise to fight corruption and crimes.

[QUOTE=Bill1963;2234318]Sometimes I wonder about some of the guys on this board, they would rather people live in misery, so they get cheap pussy.
LOL all their decisions and thought are based on price of pussy.
Kinda evil in some ways.[/QUOTE]I've made that observation as well. I find it very ugly hoping that Brazil is going down the drain just so they will have more desperate women eager to spread their legs when they flash a few USD.

[QUOTE=Bill1963;2234318]Now I agree bolsonaro has a lot of rhetoric I don't like, but like the left looney tunes in America, that said America was going to crash and burn under trump, I think Brazil needs some of this so called crash and burn, DOW at all time highs and 3. 9 % unemployment, America has never been richer.[/QUOTE]People always, always, always seem to forget that what goes up always, always, always must come down. It's just another temporary house of cards built on fiscal irresponsibility. Like lowering taxes while continuing to borrow against an uncertain future and spend like mad! Who will really have the guts to do what it takes to act responsibly and control spending, lower the national debt, and balance the budget? The answer is nobody until it's too late. Yeah, I'm loving my investment portfolio right now too. Riding high! But I'll tell you what. I don't care who is in office, one day it will swing in the other direction, and it's going to be ugly, just like the last time! Hopefully I will remain in a good position to protect my assets when that happens. Because it most assuredly will. Never succumb to "irrational exuberance". Prepared to go bear at a moments notice.

[QUOTE=Bill1963;2234318]Bolsonaro: Wealth, law and order, and a possible future like America and other first world counties. Now I love cheap pussy, but I am more concerned more for the well being of all my friends (none are rich, not even close) in Brazil, and their future prosperity, BTW they live in So Paulo and Parana and all voting for Bolsonaro, they all think this Lula is a BOZO. Sometimes I wonder about some of the guys on this board, they would rather people live in misery, so they get cheap pussy. LOL all their decisions and thought are based on price of pussy. Kinda evil in some ways.[/QUOTE]OK, so what about the flipside? It's OK to overlook the mean-spirited rhetoric of somebody who would lead a nation if that will make people, essentially people just like him, rich? To me, that's just another brand of evil. We need to be concerned about what kind of society we live in too. I would posit that the choices are not all mutually exclusive. As that one former American president once said, how about a "kinder, gentler" brand of conservatism where a larger swath of people are sincerely welcomed to stand under a big tent of prosperity?

[QUOTE=Bill1963;2234315]One thing that will change everything for the worse in Brazil in the near future is the external and internal debt of Brazil, under Lula it exploded to the upside and he had a commodity boom to mask over a lot of his irresponsible behaviour, well that boom is now over and the cracks have appeared and Brazil is in tough shape (worst in 50 years).[/QUOTE]Brazil's external debt / GDP ratio was record high at 44,8 %, when Lula took office in 2003 and was at 16,42 % when he left in 2011. This is typical right wing propaganda, which some people swallow without chewing and is not supported by statistics. [URL]https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/brazil/external-debt--of-nominal-gdp[/URL].

Surprisingly left wing politicians have been better to control budget deficits in many countries (some others not so much). Clinton after Reagan, Obama after Bush and now Trump has exploded the US debt, but hey, that's OK as long as the money goes to the rich people's pockets. Now Bolsonaro will start his boi, bala e biblia politics and destroying democracy, when he should pull the poor out of poverty.

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Are we seriously debating Brazilian left wing and right wing politics here? Sorry Trump comparisons don't really work either. I'm pretty sure we can all find fault in the policies of all the candidates and the leaders of the past.

If Brazil wanted to follow the Asian model, it would have to attract and retain capital, tamp down wage growth and run trade surpluses for several years. I'm not sure how skilled and motivated the Brazilian work force is compared to Asian countries at similar stages of development. Brazil is not rich enough to pursue stimulating consumption. I've also heard that tax collection and tax law enforcement needs improvement.

I first found out about Bolsonaro from this forum and then researched him further, the foreign press starting paying attention as well.

This guy sounds even worse than Mr. T. Mr. T. has more limits than he has and I can not for the life of me believe that anyone could think that anything good could come out of him being elected.

Insane to say, but Trump is mild compared to him and now that Trump has been elected, the worst fears of a lot of his detractors have been realized and more.

The warning signs were there about his autocratic nature which tolerates no criticism and his extremely self centered agenda, now that he has been there a while, people's worst fears are being realized. About the economy, it was on the mend way before he got elected and the unemployment figures which he disputed but no longer, were way down long before he took office. Injecting an economy full of cash while it is at a peak in the cycle is quite dangerous and besides the deficit exploding, there might be hell to pay further down the road. About debt, I can't believe any right winger is still blaming the left for this when numerous right wing governments have exploded government debt.

This guy sounds totally insane and only the most dogmatic right winger in denial of reality could endorse someone so insane and think any good could come out of it. Will your mongering options be affected, not sure, but will Brazil go to hell for a while, most certainly.

I won't defend many supposed left leaning governments as well, one of the ones I hate the most is Maduro's Venezuela. Are people in denial about this potential, probable, President of Brazil. Don't say you weren't warned.

Earlier this year when I was in Sao Paulo I sessioned a branca in Abbobora. She told me she was a journalist and wrote for a magazine but was not working at the time. She lamented the state of the economy in Brazil and was very much anti-Lula as she blamed the left for Brazil's economic woes. She seemed to have had a privileged background and spoke good English. I suspect that whites and other well off persons will support Bolsonaro. Seeing that whites are in the majority in Brazil it would appear that he's Brazil's next president. When he gets into power he'll certainly put in place policies that would favor the privileged class and harm the poor which would probably exacerbate Brazil's crime problem.

Either delete this continuing political chit chat or remove it to Living in Brazil or to General Info. I will not post my opinions about those posters who do not realize to where write the political opinions, but you can guess the words and sentences.

[QUOTE=Traveller44;2234756]Either delete this continuing political chit chat or remove it to Living in Brazil or to General Info. I will not post my opinions about those posters who do not realize to where write the political opinions, but you can guess the words and sentences.[/QUOTE]I hear you work at one of the Sao Paulo consulates in the diplomatic corps.

As a change to the ongoing discussions about politics, I will provide some up to date information from termas Cancun. Over the last weeks I have making repeat visits to Cancun and when I first got here I noticed that the prices went up from last year. One year ago I paid 400 Reais for one hour and I believe it was 330 for the one hour with the girl plus 70 Reais for entrance including three drinks.

When I got here a couple of weeks ago I noticed that the entrance was up from 70 to 80 Reais making one hour come to 410 Reais. But the last time I was charged 380 which was 300 for the girl and 80 Reais for entrance. I thought that I was charged wrong and that they made a mistake and charged me for only 40 minutes which could have explained the 30 Reais missing. But today I was charged 380 Reais again so it wasn't a mistake and I could see in my bill that it was 300 for the girl and 80 for entrance with drinks.

It just feels so surprising that a terma actually will lower the prices and I never experienced it before. Maybe they have realized that they will need to do something like this to attract more customers. And they also have their lottery going on everyday with the draw at eight o'clock. I have participated in the lottery six times by now but I haven't won a 40 minute session, of course.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2235100]As a change to the ongoing discussions about politics, I will provide some up to date information from termas Cancun. Over the last weeks I have making repeat visits to Cancun and when I first got here I noticed that the prices went up from last year. One year ago I paid 400 Reais for one hour and I believe it was 330 for the one hour with the girl plus 70 Reais for entrance including three drinks.

When I got here a couple of weeks ago I noticed that the entrance was up from 70 to 80 Reais making one hour come to 410 Reais. But the last time I was charged 380 which was 300 for the girl and 80 Reais for entrance. I thought that I was charged wrong and that they made a mistake and charged me for only 40 minutes which could have explained the 30 Reais missing. But today I was charged 380 Reais again so it wasn't a mistake and I could see in my bill that it was 300 for the girl and 80 for entrance with drinks.

It just feels so surprising that a terma actually will lower the prices and I never experienced it before. Maybe they have realized that they will need to do something like this to attract more customers. And they also have their lottery going on everyday with the draw at eight o'clock. I have participated in the lottery six times by now but I haven't won a 40 minute session, of course.[/QUOTE]Cancun is fucked unfortunately, they lost many clients. They are lowering the prices because of a so called new terma that's fucking up their business. That terma is their neighbor. Now they are trying to lower the price again maybe they will lower again soon because the so called new terma lowered their price to 200 reais for one hour in a suite plus 10 per cent discount for all you drink and fuck. It means you fuck one hour for 180 reais. The owner of the so called terma is also the owner of Mosaic.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2235350]They are lowering the prices because of a so called new terma that's fucking up their business.[/QUOTE]Maybe you forgot to mention the name of the new terma, just like the address of the New Help?

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2235350]Cancun is fucked unfortunately, they lost many clients. They are lowering the prices because of a so called new terma that's fucking up their business. That terma is their neighbor. Now they are trying to lower the price again maybe they will lower again soon because the so called new terma lowered their price to 200 reais for one hour in a suite plus 10 per cent discount for all you drink and fuck. It means you fuck one hour for 180 reais. The owner of the so called terma is also the owner of Mosaic.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sperto;2235409]Maybe you forgot to mention the name of the new terma, just like the address of the New Help?[/QUOTE]I have no idea which terma the OP is thinking of but I was in a terma close to Cancun the other day and it fits in in the price structure that he is mentioning. One hour for 200 Reais but I didn't see anything mentioned about a discount of 10%. Entrance was 30 Reais which could be used for consumption in the bar. The terma was quite big, or at least it was in many floors and I believe four floors or so in total. Whiskeria plus other areas and a wet sauna and showers. I like saunas but their sauna was bad because it didn't produce enough heat (steam) to warm up the sauna room. I believe I saw around 20 girls or so working and a couple of them were doable and I am thinking of coming back there next wek and try one of the girls. Monday is holiday (DIA do comercio) but they will be open on Monday despite it being a holiday. The terma is called Spa 65 and was in Rua do Rosario number 65, which literally is just around the corner from Cancun. I don't know if is recently opened and the one that the OP is thinking about but maybe he can let us know and reply to this to tell us.

I was talking about terma 2? That's situated on the small street of Buenos Aires. It's not as big as 65 but as cheap as trash clubs and with rooms and a club as good as termas. Price from 70 reais 20 minutes discount included: 63 reais.

Yes 65 also offers 10 per cent discount on what you drink and fuck. The sauna is now under construction, there will be enough steam soon.

There is no more entry fee in 4 by 4 for Brazilians. Only 60 reais consuption. But this discount is only available for Brazilians.

Unfortunately, I haven't seen doable girls in Cancun. If you are into billy fat and duck lower bodies. No smoking area in Cancun unlike 4 by4, 65,502 and 2?, People smoke in the toilets. There is no door in the showers unlike 4 by 4 and 65. If you don't mind taking a shower without a door. Good for you. Dupla is a joke in Cancun, you have to pay 500 reais twice (suite). No dupla available in Cancun unlike 4 by4 and 65 unless you don't mind paying for the suite twice.

Yes there is a new help club in Centro, some home work won't kill you. The owner of 4 by 4 wants to buy aeroporto after selling 502 to the second owner of Mosaic. 502 is no more like few months ago. It's way better than last year. The best termas in centro are 4 by 4 and 65 (better facility). Cancun is a total joke, they will soon lower the prices again, they lost many clients. I feel sorry for them.

Was in Mabs last Friday, we have met 3 girls from Belo Horizonte Brenda (many tattoos), Giovanna, and Anna they will be in Rio till Friday, very nice and cute I recommand them only problem 400 reals !!! As we had not time to discuss prices we said ok.
Was also friday night in Dolce vita around 11 pm empty !!!!

[QUOTE=Frenchieboy;2236062]Was in Mabs last Friday, we have met 3 girls from Belo Horizonte Brenda (many tattoos), Giovanna, and Anna they will be in Rio till Friday, very nice and cute I recommand them only problem 400 reals !!! As we had not time to discuss prices we said ok.
Was also friday night in Dolce vita around 11 pm empty !!!![/QUOTE]400 Reais is much for girls in Mab's as the going price is 200 Reais for girls there. A little negotiating will make them come down in price and it won't take much time to negotiate a better price. Some girls start with asking like 300 Reais or so but will come down to 200 Reais quite easily. Too bad that you were in such a hurry that you didn't have the time to do the negotiating. Saying this, I know that some girls are thinking they are worth more, like 300 - 400 Reais and won't come down much in the price but those girls are very few in general. Anyway, if you had a good time with the girls I guess it was worth it for you but for next time I would recommend to put in some time in negotiating the price.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2235752]I was talking about terma 2? That's situated on the small street of Buenos Aires. It's not as big as 65 but as cheap as trash clubs and with rooms and a club as good as termas. Price from 70 reais 20 minutes discount included: 63 reais.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info about Terma 2?. I googled but didn't find any info about it and I didn't see it mentioned in GPGuia or ForumX either. Maybe the info is there but I didn't see it. I am wondering of the address but I suppose that the name is hinting that it is in Rua Buenos Aires 2. I have never been there so I will go there to check out the place!

I am considering my first trip to Brazil but I don't know what make of it when I read the last couple of reports and posts. Is there less girls now because of politics? I am RTFF the forum but I would happy if anyone can compare Brazil to Colombia preferably someone that's been to Medellin. I like Medellin's vast selection but debating whether I should go to Rio next time. Is the selection bigger in Rio? Are there enough clubs and what is going price for high quality take away from the clubs, 200 ? I'm not thinking about casas.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2236110]400 Reais is much for girls in Mab's as the going price is 200 Reais for girls there. A little negotiating will make them come down in price and it won't take much time to negotiate a better price. Some girls start with asking like 300 Reais or so but will come down to 200 Reais quite easily. Too bad that you were in such a hurry that you didn't have the time to do the negotiating. Saying this, I know that some girls are thinking they are worth more, like 300 - 400 Reais and won't come down much in the price but those girls are very few in general.[/QUOTE]A common theme over several ISG threads is guys not liking or not willing to negotiate. They believe that if they try to get the girl for a cheaper price, she will not fuck them as well as they would for the original price and they also claim that it ruins the mood. I have found none of that to be true.

[QUOTE=Jayson01;2236134]I am considering my first trip to Brazil but I don't know what make of it when I read the last couple of reports and posts. Is there less girls now because of politics? I am RTFF the forum but I would happy if anyone can compare Brazil to Colombia preferably someone that's been to Medellin. I like Medellin's vast selection but debating whether I should go to Rio next time. Is the selection bigger in Rio? Are there enough clubs and what is going price for high quality take away from the clubs, 200 ? I'm not thinking about casas.[/QUOTE]Given there has not been a lot of travel reports for some time and local politics has been discussed in the forum, I suppose you can be forgiven for a newby question like the above. No, politics hasn't changed the local mongering scene. The election is not final until Oct. 28 and no one knows if anything will change.

The Rio club scene has basically been destroyed by the city over the last eight years. There are some freelancers at Mabs and sprinkled elsewhere. That doesn't mean you can't have a blast in Rio both mongering and touring.

Termas are the closest thing to clubs. They however are not exactly like clubs. You change into a flimsy, terrycloth robe in the locker room. When you hit the bar area, dozens and dozens of girls parade around in various states of undress. Unfortunately in my opinion, tattoos and excessive fake breasts and asses are more common than years past. You can buy drinks for the girls if that's your thing. You can chat with the girls and many times play kissy face and grab-ass. When you are ready for the rodeo, tell the girl "vamos". You will go to a clean room (cabine) on the premises. Most sessions are 40 minutes, but you can have 60 minutes for more. You will be granted a BBBJ. If it's with a condom, be firm and the girl will relent. Many girls do anal for the included price. If you want anal, specify in the bar area that you want "anal". Anal seems to be an international word with sex workers.

I would suggest checking out 4 x4 (Centro) and Solarium (Jardim Botanico) first. I like the party scene at 4 x4. You can expect to pay around US $ 120-$125 for the girl and entrance. If you arrive early and session with a girl at 4 x4 before 6, you will save the entrance fee of about US $ 20. Since you will likely want to stay near the beach Copacabana or Ipanema, you might want to check out Centaurus and Monte Carlo in the same area which cost more money. Centaurus has some fans. It at one time was known for the hottest girls who appealed to Americans and Euros. It's hit or miss now.

Now if you don't like the business model of termas, you can try to get phone numbers and get a girl to come over. Don't expect more than a two hour meeting. In the last ten-fifteen years, Rio has become a transactional by the hour scene. You can also find some excellent escorts, but I would try to work through the language and read the local reviews at gpguia. I wouldn't rule out casas (in Rio they are called prives), but they require some planning and walking.

You can do searches by entering Medellin and Rio. That's where you will get a good detailed contrast. I haven't been to Colombia in years. I can only say that I enjoy the beach and food scene in Rio de Janeiro. Rio is far more cosmopolitan. If it's your first time, I highly recommend an excursion to the Christ statue on Corcovado mountain. Sugarloaf mountain is fine too. Most Americans and Euros prefer Rio November through April. I would avoid the June and July simply because the days are too short.

[QUOTE=Jayson01;2236134]I am considering my first trip to Brazil but I don't know what make of it when I read the last couple of reports and posts. Is there less girls now because of politics? I am RTFF the forum but I would happy if anyone can compare Brazil to Colombia preferably someone that's been to Medellin. I like Medellin's vast selection but debating whether I should go to Rio next time. Is the selection bigger in Rio? Are there enough clubs and what is going price for high quality take away from the clubs, 200 ? I'm not thinking about casas.[/QUOTE]The biggest problem with a Rio hookers is that they have a different service for locals and other one for gringos.

With locals they do everything they ask for and with gringos they like to cheat on time and services.

So now I do the same thing like the locals do, if some hooker treats me like a gringo I put a negative report abut her on the local forums.

Thanks guys, sounds like Rio has been exhausted to a point where every girl turned hardcore pro, I'm sure every popular city is heading that way. Making it harder to find that GFF experience, maybe I should look at Sao Paulo? Thanks Wyatt your detailed post helped me paint a picture of the current status.

Honestly I prefer no rush sessions at my place and termas don't sound like a place for GFF experience and I definitely don't like fake ass, its weird they charge 120 or 100 USD for an onsite session? What sorts of girls are we talking about young or older pro girls in the termas. I have feeling that Rio with its 6 million population, must still have a bunch of hot young natural girls in the Termas that you can connect with invite to your place for good price or no?

Side note:

In other monger countries its still possible to just talk to a random hot girl in the streets (I'm 32 and still in shape) and the chances are high that she is willing to go with you for business, don't know if that case in Brazil.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2236520]

The Rio club scene has basically been destroyed by the city over the last eight years......I would suggest checking out 4 x4 (Centro) and Solarium (Jardim Botanico) first. I like the party scene at 4 x4. You can expect to pay around US $ 120-$125 for the girl and entrance. If you arrive early and session with a girl at 4 x4 before 6, you will save the entrance fee of about US $ 20. Since you will likely want to stay near the beach Copacabana or Ipanema, you might want to check out Centaurus and Monte Carlo in the same area which cost more money. Centaurus has some fans. It at one time was known for the hottest girls who appealed to Americans and Euros. It's hit or miss now.
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[QUOTE=JuveStadium;2236756]The biggest problem with a Rio hookers is that they have a different service for locals and other one for gringos.

With locals they do everything they ask for and with gringos they like to cheat on time and services.

So now I do the same thing like the locals do, if some hooker treats me like a gringo I put a negative report abut her on the local forums.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jayson01;2236893]
Side note:

In other monger countries its still possible to just talk to a random hot girl in the streets (I'm 32 and still in shape) and the chances are high that she is willing to go with you for business, don't know if that case in Brazil.[/QUOTE]Age & physical condition is a moot issue. The only thing & most significant thing is what's in your wallet? $$.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2235752]I was talking about terma 2? That's situated on the small street of Buenos Aires.[/QUOTE]Would you mind telling where is terma 2? In Rua Buenos Aires? I was there to look for it today but I didn't find it. I was assuming that 2? Was hinting that it should either be in Buenos Aires 2 or one of the numbers 20 - 28. I was looking at all those addresses but I didn't find it. A precise address would be great, thanks!

[QUOTE=Sperto;2235409]Maybe you forgot to mention the name of the new terma, just like the address of the New Help?[/QUOTE]Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Good one Sperto.

[QUOTE=Jayson01;2236893]Thanks guys, sounds like Rio has been exhausted to a point where every girl turned hardcore pro, I'm sure every popular city is heading that way. Making it harder to find that GFF experience, maybe I should look at Sao Paulo? [/QUOTE]I'm not sure that's a fair statement. However, it's true that the monger scene in Rio has changed. Some blame the Olympics and Rio's government's desire to be "respectable". Is it true? Who knows? IMHO, when they closed HELP, it was an attempt to send a message to the world that Rio was no longer a sex tourism destination. I assure you that local Carioca men have no trouble finding GDP's (garota the programma); it's the non-Portuguese speaking foreigner who is challenged.

Is it the paradise it once was? Heck no. But that does not mean that you should not go. However, you do need to temper your expectations. I think what's happened is that the the "semi-pro" (the cashier or waitress who hangs out in bars and turns tricks for extra cash) has been driven underground. The hardened pros you mention are what is still easily visible. Similarly, Termas and Clinicas offer a more "clinical" experience (pardon the pun). If you are looking for a true GFE in Rio, you need to look deeper and accept that it's going to take time hanging out in bars and clubs and picking up girls just like you would at home. The only difference is that once chemistry is established, the question of price quickly comes up in the conversation.

[QUOTE=Jake993;2236972]I'm not sure that's a fair statement. However, it's true that the monger scene in Rio has changed. Some blame the Olympics and Rio's government's desire to be "respectable". Is it true? Who knows? IMHO, when they closed HELP, it was an attempt to send a message to the world that Rio was no longer a sex tourism destination. I assure you that local Carioca men have no trouble finding GDP's (garota the programma); it's the non-Portuguese speaking foreigner who is challenged.

Is it the paradise it once was? Heck no. But that does not mean that you should not go. However, you do need to temper your expectations. I think what's happened is that the the "semi-pro" (the cashier or waitress who hangs out in bars and turns tricks for extra cash) has been driven underground. The hardened pros you mention are what is still easily visible. Similarly, Termas and Clinicas offer a more "clinical" experience (pardon the pun). If you are looking for a true GFE in Rio, you need to look deeper and accept that it's going to take time hanging out in bars and clubs and picking up girls just like you would at home. The only difference is that once chemistry is established, the question of price quickly comes up in the conversation.[/QUOTE]Jake is spot on!

With the closure of HELP the scene has changed but you can always get GFE in Rio you just have to relax and give in to the fact it may take a little work, your radar must be on at all times. Now I don't know if you monger alone or with friends. I tend to find GDPs in Termas to be a good find If you session with one who give you good service and good vibe get her number and invite her after hours to your place. If you have friend (s) traveling with you expand your environment to Regular Clubs or go to the LAPA area or explore the Barra the Tijuca area clubs. Cellphone Translator Apps can help if you are a Non-Portuguese speaking and I can tell you spend time with Pimsular or Rossetta Stone and learn as much as possible even the smallest amount of language learning can help and the appreciate you trying to learn no matter how weak you language skills are.

Good luck and happy hunting.

[QUOTE=Jake993;2236972]I'm not sure that's a fair statement. However, it's true that the monger scene in Rio has changed. Some blame the Olympics and Rio's government's desire to be "respectable". Is it true? Who knows? IMHO, when they closed HELP, it was an attempt to send a message to the world that Rio was no longer a sex tourism destination. I assure you that local Carioca men have no trouble finding GDP's (garota the programma); it's the non-Portuguese speaking foreigner who is challenged.

Is it the paradise it once was? Heck no. But that does not mean that you should not go. However, you do need to temper your expectations. I think what's happened is that the the "semi-pro" (the cashier or waitress who hangs out in bars and turns tricks for extra cash) has been driven underground. The hardened pros you mention are what is still easily visible. Similarly, Termas and Clinicas offer a more "clinical" experience (pardon the pun). If you are looking for a true GFE in Rio, you need to look deeper and accept that it's going to take time hanging out in bars and clubs and picking up girls just like you would at home. The only difference is that once chemistry is established, the question of price quickly comes up in the conversation.[/QUOTE]Well you have to understand that most mongers are lazy. There favorite place called Help was pretty much Point and Click and ever since it closed down. They feel there world has ended. They do not understand that Brazil has over 200 Million People, Almost Half of the population is women and they are thousands of girls that turn 18 Years old every week. In Life Nothing stays the same. You have to always adapt. Right now Brazil is in a huge recession. So there plenty of girls that would love to sell there holes, to get extra money to get ahead. Is everything point and click like the 90's and 2000's?. NO but right now we are in the best of times, We have technology which gives us direct access to people. From Social Networking, to Tinder, and if your willing to put in the work to learn Portuguese sky's the limit. You will have access too some real gems. Unlike the Harden Pros you find in Mabs or the Termas. If your willing to put in the work, Brazil is a goldmine.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;2237059]Well you have to understand that most mongers are lazy. There favorite place called Help was pretty much Point and Click and ever since it closed down. They feel there world has ended. They do not understand that Brazil has over 200 Million People, Almost Half of the population is women and they are thousands of girls that turn 18 Years old every week. In Life Nothing stays the same. You have to always adapt. Right now Brazil is in a huge recession. So there plenty of girls that would love to sell there holes, to get extra money to get ahead. Is everything point and click like the 90's and 2000's?. NO but right now we are in the best of times, We have technology which gives us direct access to people. From Social Networking, to Tinder, and if your willing to put in the work to learn Portuguese sky's the limit. You will have access too some real gems. Unlike the Harden Pros you find in Mabs or the Termas. If your willing to put in the work, Brazil is a goldmine.[/QUOTE]100% total agreement. Its all about putting in the effort. IMO the situation is improving all the time for those that are able to adapt.

Agree with all of this. And I would add that having a poor grasp of Portuguese isn't the hindrance it once was. Most Termas now allow clients to bring their cell phones into the club. You don't have to hide them anymore. With Google translate, having a conversation with a GDP who doesn't speak your language is much easier than it used to be. Yeah, it sucked when Help closed and the semi-pros are harder to find. But Brazil is still the best destination for our little hobby, imo. Next week I'll be taking my fifth trip this year.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;2237059]Well you have to understand that most mongers are lazy. There favorite place called Help was pretty much Point and Click and ever since it closed down. They feel there world has ended. They do not understand that Brazil has over 200 Million People, Almost Half of the population is women and they are thousands of girls that turn 18 Years old every week. In Life Nothing stays the same. You have to always adapt. Right now Brazil is in a huge recession. So there plenty of girls that would love to sell there holes, to get extra money to get ahead. Is everything point and click like the 90's and 2000's?. NO but right now we are in the best of times, We have technology which gives us direct access to people. From Social Networking, to Tinder, and if your willing to put in the work to learn Portuguese sky's the limit. You will have access too some real gems. Unlike the Harden Pros you find in Mabs or the Termas. If your willing to put in the work, Brazil is a goldmine.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;2237059]Well you have to understand that most mongers are lazy. There favorite place called Help was pretty much Point and Click and ever since it closed down. They feel there world has ended. They do not understand that Brazil has over 200 Million People, Almost Half of the population is women and they are thousands of girls that turn 18 Years old every week. In Life Nothing stays the same. You have to always adapt. Right now Brazil is in a huge recession. So there plenty of girls that would love to sell there holes, to get extra money to get ahead. Is everything point and click like the 90's and 2000's?. NO but right now we are in the best of times, We have technology which gives us direct access to people. From Social Networking, to Tinder, and if your willing to put in the work to learn Portuguese sky's the limit. You will have access too some real gems. Unlike the Harden Pros you find in Mabs or the Termas. If your willing to put in the work, Brazil is a goldmine.[/QUOTE]I speak a lot to budding entrepreneurs who listen endlessly to internet marketing gurus who talk go on and on about strategy but never provide any details.

How about one of you mongering gurus providing some details for a change? Maybe on how you learned Portuguese so well? Or, where specifically you have gone to meet women and your success stories with details.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2236476]A common theme over several ISG threads is guys not liking or not willing to negotiate. They believe that if they try to get the girl for a cheaper price, she will not fuck them as well as they would for the original price and they also claim that it ruins the mood. I have found none of that to be true.[/QUOTE]You are right but I spent only 2 days in Rio so 100 reals more or less it is 22 euros! So when I find a beautiful woman (not so often for sure in Mabs!), I pay no problem.
What is funny it 's that I gave you information about 3 very nice girls in Mabs, in Rio till friday, and everybody told me you pay too much !!!

[QUOTE=Frenchieboy;2237172]You are right but I spent only 2 days in Rio so 100 reals more or less it is 22 euros! So when I find a beautiful woman (not so often for sure in Mabs!), I pay no problem.
What is funny it 's that I gave you information about 3 very nice girls in Mabs, in Rio till friday, and everybody told me you pay too much !!![/QUOTE]That's not funny.

That's the truth.

You payed 400 reais.

And it's too muuuuuch.

For 1 hour.

I want to thank everyone for the latest posts. There are 9 of us arriving in Rio 11/1 and the posts the last few day are a great help. The others in my group will be expecting me to guide them. I doubt that I will be able to add new info after a 5 day visit but if I come across something interesting I will report it.

[QUOTE=JuveStadium;2237175]That's not funny.

That's the truth.

You payed 400 reais.

And it's too muuuuuch.

For 1 hour.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Frenchieboy;2236062]Was in Mabs last Friday, we have met 3 girls from Belo Horizonte Brenda (many tattoos), Giovanna, and Anna they will be in Rio till Friday, very nice and cute I recommand them only problem 400 reals !!! As we had not time to discuss prices we said ok.
Was also friday night in Dolce vita around 11 pm empty !!!![/QUOTE]400 for an hour is a little high but you'd probably pay about the same at Monte Carlo for an hour or even 40 minutes but I don't see anyone bitching about that. Also Frenchy doesn't say how long it was, was it just an hour?

I think Dolce Vita might get more action later than 11 PM, more like 1 AM.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;2237059]Well you have to understand that most mongers are lazy. There favorite place called Help was pretty much Point and Click and ever since it closed down. [/QUOTE]Well, what I call low level mongers are lazy. They have no sense of adventure and are reluctant to take risks. They cluster to places like Pattaya, Sosua and the German FKKs. It seems some base their entire mongering experience on those places, the well beaten path for the point-and-click experience. Some of us are more adventurous and revel in walking into a dark compound and towards the glow of a fishbowl, like moths to a light. No risk, no reward.

[QUOTE=Jayson01;2236893]In other monger countries its still possible to just talk to a random hot girl in the streets (I'm 32 and still in shape) and the chances are high that she is willing to go with you for business, don't know if that case in Brazil.[/QUOTE]I don't think Brazil was ever that easy. I think you might be comparing it to places like Colombia, Thailand, Philippines, the Dominican Republic etc. You might be looking for a "fish in a barrel" environment.

Depending on your physical attractiveness, 32 is a very good age. A hot, 19 year old Brasileira is not going to have an issue going with a man in his thirties and even older. As a general rule, I found that if a Brazilian knew some English, she was curious about Western / American men. By the 2000's, I had much better success hooking up with Brazilian girls at clubs in Sao Paulo and secondary cities. Rio became a pain in the ass with non-pros because the gringo sex scene gave women seen with Western men a bad reputation.

I'm a bit too old to chase teenage and twentysomething non-pros now. I have to think that now that Help Disco and the whole Avenida Atlantica sex scene has basically been shutdown you can find non-pros more receptive to flirtation.

[QUOTE=RioBob;2237634]400 for an hour is a little high but you'd probably pay about the same at Monte Carlo for an hour or even 40 minutes but I don't see anyone bitching about that. Also Frenchy doesn't say how long it was, was it just an hour?

I think Dolce Vita might get more action later than 11 PM, more like 1 AM.[/QUOTE]I spent 1 hour and half for 400 reals, very deep french kiss and oral without! ,but lot of tattoos.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2237856]Well, what I call low level mongers are lazy. They have no sense of adventure and are reluctant to take risks. They cluster to places like Pattaya, Sosua and the German FKKs. It seems some base their entire mongering experience on those places, the well beaten path for the point-and-click experience. Some of us are more adventurous and revel in walking into a dark compound and towards the glow of a fishbowl, like moths to a light. No risk, no reward.[/QUOTE]Very true. Reminds me of a time I was in St. Petersburg Russia at a well known disco free lancer hangout and it was not happening that night. I met a Finn who was visiting and he asked me if there were other places. I took him to a salon I knew of which was a typical SPB salon in an old building with a walk up to the 4th floor. The front door was slightly busted, the stairwells were unkempt, and on this occasion the entire stairwell lighting system was completely out, so it was pitch dark and I had to guide us up the stairs using my cell phone lantern. The Finn was pretty much in shock, he said to me "You Americans are frontier people", and it took me a while to understand he was saying "frontier", not "frontier". But it was worth it. After climbing the 4 flights we were ushered into the brilliantly like salon with about 15 girls waiting for us.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2237943]Rio became a pain in the ass with non-pros because the gringo sex scene gave women seen with Western men a bad reputation.

I'm a bit too old to chase teenage and twentysomething non-pros now. I have to think that now that Help Disco and the whole Avenida Atlantica sex scene has basically been shutdown you can find non-pros more receptive to flirtation.[/QUOTE]I do not think so. Maybe around 2010-2013 when Brazil Economy was good. But in 2018 with Brazil in Recession almost any girl is up for grabs unless she is a upper class rich Brazilian. Last Year I fucked a world famous Brazilian funk singer and I had her in my apartment for about 600 Reals for the night. The BBC did a documentary on her in 2015 when they were talking about the upcoming Brazilian Olympics. I had one of the girls in the 4 x 4 Termas hook me up with her and I gave her 150 Real as a tip for the setup meeting. I know you might say 600 Real is expensive but this girl was a true dime. I'm talking smoking 10. When she came to my apartment, The Whole Block was staring at her. But to make a long story short. It gave me a lot of confidence. Because if you have a funk singer that is somewhat semi famous in the Funk Scene, willing to give up her ass for some dollars.

Any typical Brazilian chick will do it in Brazil's current economic climate. I would suggest when trying to find non-pros, Either Learn Portuguese or hire a female and give her a nice tip and let her be your scout for you to find women. My Success Rate is a lot higher when I have a Brazilian female contact another female and setup a meeting for me. I Guess Brazilian women feel more comfortable and safer with another Brazilian women, Then when I'm trying to setup things as a gringo. I usually get more flakes, where as with a women its almost 90% success rate.

But I'm heading to Brazil around the first week of November so I will give you guys updates on the Brazil mongering scene.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;2238038]
Any typical Brazilian chick will do it in Brazil's current economic climate. I would suggest when trying to find non-pros, Either Learn Portuguese or hire a female and give her a nice tip and let her be your scout for you to find women. My Success Rate is a lot higher when I have a Brazilian female contact another female and setup a meeting for me. I Guess Brazilian women feel more comfortable and safer with another Brazilian women, Then when I'm trying to setup things as a gringo. I usually get more flakes, where as with a women its almost 90% success rate.
[/QUOTE]Best advice in a long time.

A lot of brazilians are having a toughtime financially and it is quite hard for young people to get a job these days, which makes non-pros very available. If approached via a brazilian friend. Chances are much lower on your own as must simply do not meet the ladies under the right circumstances and you will also need to speak portuguese to success on your own. It is all about making the ladies feel safe with you, I. E. Having a trusted intermediary and of course making it worth their while.

For most of my Rio career I have been a terma guy as it was easy and always plenty of choice, but these days I prefer to meet with a non-pro at my apartment and then have a full night with her. Dinner, movies and regular stuff as well. So pretty much a short time girlfriend rather than a 40 minute quickie at a terma.

Currently I have 4 ladies whom I see when in Rio. They are 19-22 years old, attractive and take great care of me. One hairdresser, one underemployed model (not famous, but still gorgeous), one unemployed and one babysitter. Payment varies from dining and wining only, to pay per play and in one case ad hoc financial assistance.

Aside from the financial aspects the ladies are also very keen on new experiences, being treated well and trying things they would otherwise not be able to do. I will give you two examples. During my last trip I invited one lady to a classical concert at Teatro Municipal. We dressed up nicely, went to the concert, had a post concert drink and then off to my place for the night. She was extatic about the whole experience and was very appreciative. Tickets were only R70 each for the good seats, so a pretty cheap night. For my upcoming trip I have promised one lady that we will go to a nice japanese restaurant in Zona Sul for dinner. She is from a poor part of Zona Norte and has never been to a nice restaurant. She is excited already also worried that she is not very chique. So I had to promise that I will order all the food and show her everything there (besides you do not want to let a brazilian lady choose your food). I plan to take her to buy a dress for the evening and I know I will be in heaven that night.

Treat your lady for the night like a girlfriend and make her feel special and you will be rewarded many times over.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;2238038]Any typical Brazilian chick will do it in Brazil's current economic climate...[/QUOTE]This advice made me laugh. Imagine some newbies really believing in you, that any typical brazilian chick is for sale, and starts to ask random girls on the street if they are for sale. They will get beaten up badly and probably end up in jail.

I remember four gringos in Arraial d'Ajuda in the nineties. They were a bunch of drunk a-holes with no knowledge of portuguese. They really thought that all brazilian girls were for sale. The only thing they could say in Portuguese was "vinte e cinco reais". They approached random girls on the street and repeated "vinte e cinco reais" several times. They got beaten up by both guys and girls, they got mugged and also had a break-in in the house they rented. They did had some success with their "vinte e cinco reais"-strategy, but only with the village putas.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2238189]This advice made me laugh. Imagine some newbies really believing in you, that any typical brazilian chick is for sale, and starts to ask random girls on the street if they are for sale. They will get beaten up badly and propably end up in jail.

I remember four gringos in Arraial d'Ajuda in the nineties. They were a bunch of drunk a-holes with no knowledge of portuguese. They really thought that all brazilian girls were for sale. The only thing they could say in portuguese was "vinte e cinco reais". They approached random girls on the street and repeated "vinte e cinco reais" several times. They got beaten up by both guys and girls, they got mugged and also had a break-in in the house they rented. They did had some success with their "vinte e cinco reais"-strategy, but only with the village putas.[/QUOTE]I've been living & working in Sao Paulo for almost the last 4 yrs. , the ignorance of the average gringo is appalling. These assholes (especially Americans) think every woman in Brasil is selling their pussy and is dying to hook up with a gringo. Quite, the opposite. Typically, when I go out I only speak Portuguese and I avoid Americans like the plague. When in actuality the majority of these women I meet & work with are usually doctors, lawyers, bankers, stockbrokers, IT types, engineers, scientists, accountants, Ph. The. University professors & MBA businesswomen working for Fortune 500 firms. Many have their own businesses and they're not just beauty & nail salons either. They drive BMWs, Benzes, Jeeps, & Land Rovers. Their homes are in the most exclusive gated communities (Alphaville, for example). Several have been educated at Stanford, MIT, UCLA, Oxford & the Sorbonne. Many attended the US schools on volleyball & football (soccer) athletic scholarships. On average they'll probably speak 2-3 different languages. Many are 2nd /3rd generation children of immigrants from Middle East & Europe. Which implies old money. They dress and look like super models. They travel to Europe, Africa, Asia & USA on business and for pleasure several times a year. Some are single moms, some are married (even have boy toys, usually their personal trainer or office husband). The hottest ones are 30-40 ish unmarried w / o kids. I'm guesstimating their average salaries are somewhere in the low mid 6 figures (US $ exchange rate). The only reason why I'd ever get to meet them is due to my firm's consulting services. Other than that they'd be way out of my league! Upside, I meet a rack of down to earth receptionists, analysts & accountants who are always looking to let off some steam at quitting time!

[QUOTE=Sperto;2238189]This advice made me laugh. Imagine some newbies really believing in you, that any typical brazilian chick is for sale, and starts to ask random girls on the street if they are for sale. They will get beaten up badly and propably end up in jail.

I remember four gringos in Arraial d'Ajuda in the nineties. They were a bunch of drunk a-holes with no knowledge of portuguese. They really thought that all brazilian girls were for sale. The only thing they could say in portuguese was "vinte e cinco reais". They approached random girls on the street and repeated "vinte e cinco reais" several times. They got beaten up by both guys and girls, they got mugged and also had a break-in in the house they rented. They did had some success with their "vinte e cinco reais"-strategy, but only with the village putas.[/QUOTE]Yes. While some advice here is just misinformation, others, if naively followed, could get you hurt. It is as if the posters have never actually been to Brazil and make things up in an attempt to impress the gullible.

For example, can't tell you how many times when Brazil is mentioned that guys go on and on about how all the women on the beach run around topless. I love to ask them exactly where they do that and they stutter, you know Brazil. Right, you mean the country where even mulatas prefer tan lines? That Brazil?

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;2238038]I do not think so. Maybe around 2010-2013 when Brazil Economy was good. But in 2018 with Brazil in Recession almost any girl is up for grabs ......................................[/QUOTE]I totally agree with Sperto here. Perhaps you have Brad Pitt looks with James Bond type suave but do not give newbies the impression that any Brazilian babe is up for grabs.

I remember a hilarious incident that happened to me decades ago when I first went to work in a small Caribbean island called Trinidad. I entered a collectivo type taxi and sat next to a hot local chick in a mini skirt with her lovely legs exposed. I immediately propositioned her thinking she would respond favorably to a well dressed foreigner. She loudly and quite effectively put me in my place for every one in the full vehicle to hear, telling me who do I think I am, etc. , etc. I was humiliated and got some harsh looks from others in the taxi. The young 20 year old Turgid certainly learnt a valuable lesson that day to try to be a little more respectful in future to all women, abroad and at home.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2238382]I totally agree with Sperto here. Perhaps you have Brad Pitt looks with James Bond type suave but do not give newbies the impression that any Brazilian babe is up for grabs.

I remember a hilarious incident that happened to me decades ago when I first went to work in a small Caribbean island called Trinidad. I entered a collectivo type taxi and sat next to a hot local chick in a mini skirt with her lovely legs exposed. I immediately propositioned her thinking she would respond favorably to a well dressed foreigner. She loudly and quite effectively put me in my place for every one in the full vehicle to hear, telling me who do I think I am, etc. , etc. I was humiliated and got some harsh looks from others in the taxi. The young 20 year old Turgid certainly learnt a valuable lesson that day to try to be a little more respectful in future to all women, abroad and at home.[/QUOTE]In Life its all about your approach at the end of the day. If you walk up to typical Non-Pros Girl and offer them money for sex. Most are going to be offended because most non-pros don't want to be labeled a working girl or a prostitute. That is the reason why I say its easier to just hire a Brazilian female scout and have them find females for you. It's just like when I had sex with the funk singer. Lets say I tried to offer her money right after she finished her show performance like a typical gringo? She would turn me down and tell me to go fuck myself.

But since I got another female to set things up and everything was private and not out in the public open where people are watching, Its easier for her to agree to my offer.

Again I know I'm contradicting yourself when I say its all about the money, But its also about approach. Its like a car sales men, You can't use the same tactic on the same person. Everyone is different. You can achieve the same result at the end of the day but its all about your approach.

You just have to understand basic human physiology and ego. Its the same thing with men. Some men will spend $100-$1000 thousands of dollars on Dinner, Dates and Gifts on dating women, but will not spend $150 on a working girl. The Reason? Its ego, most of them don't want to be labeled a John. Even though your paying for it directly or indirectly.

So with that being said. Right now in Brazil is a major recession right now. Everybody is struggling and Yes most girls can be available for money. Again I'm not saying just walk up to any girl and offer her money. Again like I said before you have to deal with human ego.

Some you can't be so blunt and direct. If you know Portuguese offer them dinner, and if you want to use my method, Just hire a Brazilian female scout. I personally find that when I get a female to do the work, I have over 90% success rate. Just my 2 cents.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2238382]I totally agree with Sperto here. Perhaps you have Brad Pitt looks with James Bond type suave but do not give newbies the impression that any Brazilian babe is up for grabs.

I remember a hilarious incident that happened to me decades ago when I first went to work in a small Caribbean island called Trinidad. I entered a collectivo type taxi and sat next to a hot local chick in a mini skirt with her lovely legs exposed. I immediately propositioned her thinking she would respond favorably to a well dressed foreigner. She loudly and quite effectively put me in my place for every one in the full vehicle to hear, telling me who do I think I am, etc. , etc. I was humiliated and got some harsh looks from others in the taxi. The young 20 year old Turgid certainly learnt a valuable lesson that day to try to be a little more respectful in future to all women, abroad and at home.[/QUOTE]Brilliant.

[QUOTE=Kcrl02;2238220]Typically, when I go out I only speak Portuguese and I avoid Americans like the plague. [/QUOTE]No worries; I could care less about you too!

[QUOTE=TomJackin;2238485]No worries; I could care less about you too![/QUOTE]My sentiments exactly! Your ass has probably never been out of the USA!

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;2238398]That is the reason why I say its easier to just hire a Brazilian female scout and have them find females for you... Right now in Brazil is a major recession right now. Everybody is struggling and Yes most girls can be available for money.[/QUOTE]That makes sense. Assuming any typical Brazilian chick is for sale. If you let somebody else do the approach you don't risk to get beaten up by offended girls or their friends. You can hide behind a female scout.

If somebody really wants to try your strategy they should know that prostitution in Brazil isn't illegal, but pimping/rufianismo is.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;2238398] That is the reason why I say its easier to just hire a Brazilian female scout and have them find females for you.[/QUOTE]NOTE:

In 1890, the Penal Code of Brazil penalized pimping (the activity performed by someone who manages the relationship between prostitute and client). Brazilian law criminalizes any third party who profits from the transaction, whether they are an abusive pimp, brothel owner, or private bodyguard.

I'm think twice about the "hiring" a female scout thing. Get yourself a reliable Brasiliero wingman / or not, hang out and just go with the flow. And have plenty of $$ IMHO.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2238588]That makes sense. Assuming any typical brazilian chick is for sale. If you let somebody else do the approach you don't risk to get beaten up by offended girls or their friends. You can hide behind a female scout.

If somebody really wants to try your strategy they should know that prostitution in Brazil isn't illegal, but pimping/rufianismo is.[/QUOTE]Yeah, if memory serves me there was the case of girls, a gringo, a boat and the Federal Police. But hey, who are we to question a guy who has mastered Google search and committed every word in the self-published Foreign Girls are Easy to memory.

[QUOTE=Kcrl02;2238220]the ignorance of the average gringo is appalling. These assholes (especially Americans) think every woman in Brasil is selling their pussy and is dying to hook up with a gringo. Quite, the opposite. Typically, when I go out I only speak Portuguese and I avoid Americans like the plague. When in actuality the majority of these women I meet & work with are usually doctors, lawyers, bankers, stockbrokers, IT types, engineers, scientists, accountants, Ph. The. University professors & MBA businesswomen working for Fortune 500 firms. Many have their own businesses and they're not just beauty & nail salons either. They drive BMWs, Benzes, Jeeps, & Land Rovers. Their homes are in the most exclusive gated communities (Alphaville, for example). Several have been educated at Stanford, MIT, UCLA, Oxford & the Sorbonne. Many attended the US schools on volleyball & football (soccer) athletic scholarships. On average they'll probably speak 2-3 different languages. [/QUOTE]Yes women like that are what we consider upper class Brazilians. Of course they are not crazy to hook up with a gringo. In Brazil, doctors, lawyers, bankers, etc. Are considered rich, They have a good paying job and are well off. They don't care about Gringos. We are not talking about well off women.

Why do you think Gringos monger in places like Thailand and the Philippines and not South Korea or Singapore. Because the average South Korean women have a high standard of living, So if your the typical average gringo, your not going to get love in South Korea like that when you compare.

Places like Thailand where there is little to no opportunities. So Women are more willing to hook up with Gringos. When I talk about hooking up with Non-Pros in Brazil, I'm talking about the average to poor female. She is willing to sell her hole. I'm not talking about StockBrokers or bankers in Brazil.

If you want to get with a upper class Brazilian, Your going to need good old fashion game and your going to need to know Portuguese. Most guys that travel to Brazil are on vacation and they usually stay 1-2 weeks max.

So who wants to waste there time chasing well off upper class women that your almost never going to see again. Its one of the main reason why upper class women that are looking for relationships don't care for gringos because they know your not going to be in Brazil very long anyway.

Tomjaackin is one of the absolute best trip reporters on this entire site, especially when it comes to coverage of Latin America. So for anybody to question that is laughable. Check out the Reports of Distinction for Latin American destinations, and you will find plenty of his field reports in there. Keep up the good work my man! Those of us in the know appreciate it.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;2238747]Places like Thailand where there is little to no opportunities. So Women are more willing to hook up with Gringos.[/QUOTE]Actually there are plenty of opportunities in Thailand. It is just that many people are lazy, and like most prostitutes they get into it for the fast and easy money. A friend of mine was going on maternity leave in Pattaya at the end of last year. She wanted me to find someone to fill her space while she was gone. She makes $858 per month as a receptionist at the mom and pop hotel she works in. I could not find anyone for that job because nobody wanted to come to work and be on a schedule like that everyday when they can just fuck a foreigner for a couple of hours and get $30 - $100. There is nobody in Pattaya that has a problem getting a job and I have never heard a Thai say they can not find a job. There are always help wanted signs up everywhere.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2238804]There is nobody in Pattaya that has a problem getting a job and I have never heard a Thai say they can not find a job. There are always help wanted signs up everywhere.[/QUOTE]Forgot to include my google stats:

Unemployment Rate in Thailand averaged 1.43 percent from 2001 until 2018, reaching an all time high of 5.73 percent in January of 2001 and a record low of 0.39 percent in November of 2012.

Looking back at this discussion of approaching non-pros, keep in mind Brazilian girls generally like flirtation. The problem is many of you have no game at all. If you have no game back home, you likely don't have any game in Brazil. I'm not saying you have to be young and handsome. You just have to know how to start a conversation with an attractive female without looking and drooling with monger eyes.

The girls who aren't interested will take the flirtation as a compliment and let you down politely. The girls who are open to foreign connections and some side money will also appreciate that you are treating them as a regular, attractive woman with respect.

I've had a number of mongers reach out to me to find out what I did to try and take advantage of the high conversation rate 2 months ago. The truth is, I missed out on it. I think it was like 4. 25 R when I was desperately trying to figure out how I could convert my dollars into reais for my 2 future tips to Brasil. All reports I had seen were saying that if Bolsanerio won the election that the real would become much stronger and the rate would plummet.

1) I went to my Bank of America and Citibank and the best they could do at the time 3. 70 R, o matter howmuch I complained that it was almost 60 cents off the international rate, they couldn't do anything for me. Take it or leave it was the attitude.

2) I thought about sending it to a friend who lived in Rio and have them convert it for me. Western Union also had a shitty rate so that was a no go.

3) I was gett8 ing more and more upset ecause the rate was falling everyday and nobody could give me a good way to get the reais at a good rate.

4) I found out that an ex-help girl that I knew was going back to Brasil in October to see her family so I wired the money to her account and she wired it to her brasilian bank account.

5) She absolutely refused to carry the money on her person to brasil because she said that Rio is very dangerous and she was nervous to walk around with that mush money in case she got robbed. (I begged her to take the cash because I knew she would get a better rate at the cambios but she wasnt having it).

6) she ended up getting 3. 75 R at her bank so basically I was fucked out of about 3600 reais! Trust me when I say I was angry as hell that there was nothing I could do about it. It is very frustrating when I think about all the fun I could have had in Rio with the extra 1000 dollars in my pocket, that is a lot of fucking and partying that got pissed away in the rain!!

I am headed down to Rio in a couple of weeks, I know I will have a great time. I just have stop reminding myself of all the money I could have had in my pocket if there had been an easy / fair way to convert those dollars when the rate was super high.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2239757]I am headed down to Rio in a couple of weeks, I know I will have a great time. I just have stop reminding myself of all the money I could have had in my pocket if there had been an easy / fair way to convert those dollars when the rate was super high.[/QUOTE]I think that went down pretty much the way people here thought it would.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2239757]I've had a number of mongers reach out to me to find out what I did to try and take advantage of the high conversation rate 2 months ago. The truth is, I missed out on it. I think it was like 4. 25 R when I was desperately trying to figure out how I could convert my dollars into reais for my 2 future tips to Brasil. All reports I had seen were saying that if Bolsanerio won the election that the real would become much stronger and the rate would plummet.

1) I went to my Bank of America and Citibank and the best they could do at the time 3. 70 R, o matter howmuch I complained that it was almost 60 cents off the international rate, they couldn't do anything for me. Take it or leave it was the attitude..[/QUOTE]Don't stress yourself out. I'm heading to Brazil in a few weeks, and I talk to a Expat that lives out there. Its a buyer market. The economy is so shitty that, you can always negotiate down. Yes it may not be 4 to 1 but you will still have a good time.

On a currency tip. The reason the Brazil Real is getting strong is outsider investors and wall street are hoping Bolsanerio privatize everything in Brazil and elimate government spending. Lets see how that works. With no safety net, such as pensions and cutting police salary.

Police are just going to be more corrupt In the future look for Brazil to be more dangerous and out of control.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;2238747]...Why do you think Gringos monger in places like Thailand and the Philippines and not South Korea or Singapore. Because the average South Korean women have a high standard of living, So if your the typical average gringo, your not going to get love in South Korea like that when you compare...[/QUOTE]Slight correction. I am fairly familiar with mongering with South Korean women. They are expensive indeed, but widely available. The average South Korean woman does not really have a high standard of living. She aspires to get one but most are not there yet.

And in Singapore. The native Singaporean Chinese chicks don't have a good reputation for service. So folks tend to avoid them. Instead, folks look for other ethnicities such as Viets, other Chinese, and Eastern Europeans.

First of all thank you to all the contributors to this page and for the page itself. I visited Rio two weeks ago and I have some perspectives to share.

I have to say that I found myself surprised at how safe I felt in Rio. I stayed in Copacabana and walked the streets past 2 am on a few occasions as well as walked around Centro. By the way it is really easy to get turned around in Centro even using Google maps navigation. I was approached on many occasions with people speaking Portuguese and I think one Russian. It seems to be a very multi-ethnic city where even this Irish-Englishman looked like he was a Carioca. While there are many homeless in Copacabana I did not see any crime or police action. The homeless were all sleeping at 2 am.

My mongering approach was to try each of the easily available options: Termas, Massagems and online ads.

Sunday. I arrived on a Sunday and so I went to the Hippie Faire in Ipanema after checking in. Interesting, but I was just checking things out and had no intention of buying anything. I was thinking of trying a online advertisement but I was a little confused about WhatsApp. I didn't realize until later that I could use my US phone number (thank you T-Mobile! And I was told that the TIM store wouldn't be open until Monday. So, as expected Sunday was a quiet one.

Monday. I scheduled the tourist thing. Sugarloaf, Christ Redeemer, steakhouse lunch and the steps tour. It turned out to be a fine day although there were high clouds that didn't obstruct the views and a little rain. Instead of getting taken back to the hotel I left it at the steps in Santa Theresa and walked downtown to Quatro por Quatro.

It is quite a learning curve to get changed into a robe, and find your way into the lounge area, but I managed! But I left everything in the locker including my phone with Google Translate, my Bareskin Magnums and my mints. I could have used all those but didn't know what I could take and forgot the rest in my nervousness. So I cooled off under an air conditioner vent and sipped a Caipirinha while checking out the ladies. They were all friendly enough and it didn't take long to connect just using body language. So upstairs we went and I selected an hour in a standard room. This was a very friendly girl. DFK, BBBJ and many positions. The time seemed to be incredibly long and she never got tired. Well worth the money. After taking a shower I was back in the lounge. I was almost immediately seduced by another beautiful girl. By the way they were all pretty hot. Anyway she was again very friendly and we had a great time.

The bartender asked me for a tip when I got out to the lounge and ordered a beer. For some reason that pissed me off and I drank the beer and headed for the door. After changing back into my street clothes the girl in the locker room pointed to the sign on the wall that was there to remind everyone that she wouldn't mind a tip either. Okay fine I gave her a few are $. Well I was pretty happy with the bill on the way out. Seems like it was about are $700 for two great lays and some drinks. I paid using my debit card and went out a happy guy. Well I was half way down the road when the locker girl chased me down to give me my debit card that I forgot! Wow, tip well earned! I walked to the Carioca subway station and got a ride back to Copacabana.

Tuesday. I went and bought a TIM card. I was hoping to get better internet speeds but it seems to have been a wast of money. Or maybe there was a data cap I blew through pretty quickly. Either way I was constantly switching back and forth between my T-Mobile sim and TIM looking for a better connection.

Anyway I contacted a few advertisements using WhatsApp the night before using my T-Mobile number and had a date around 1 pm. All went smoothly with this date except that it turned out to be a minor bait and switch. She didn't match the photo, but I was OK with her. The other parameters looked right - 18 yo and thin. CBJ a little kissing and seemingly endless energy and time. Worth the are $250. Later on I bumped into the girl in the photo on the way out of the shower. She was her roommate. Oh well. My impostor told me she would contact me later and do a threesome, but it never materialized. After that I went down by the beach and caught a pretty good band at a kiosk and then went to eat at Galeto Sat's. I ended up going to Galeto Sats two more times after that evening- highly recommend for its food and menu in English. I left the restaurant too late to catch the subway and ended up having to walk back to my hotel on the west side of Copacabana.

I decided to try Copa 583 Massagem. A nice place. I chose a little older lady (30?) who was a really beautiful white woman with a really nice figure. I soon found out that Branca spoke English! She was a great kisser and loved doing a BBBJ that was the best of the trip. In fact she likes doing BJs so much I found her pussy sopping wet and she admitted it was because she got so turned on by it. Anyway it was a great massage and a great lay for are $150.

Wednesday. I had booked a love hotel downtown Centro. I still had my hotel in Copa for the whole time but they have a restrictive guest policy and I wanted to switch it up anyway. I started the day by setting up a lunch date through an advertisement to meet me at Confeitaria Colombo at 1 pm. The plan was to have lunch and then go check into the love hotel for a couple hours. Well she texted me that she was at the beauty salon and couldn't come until an hour and a half later. Sure. More like she just got laid and needed some recovery time. Instead I hoped over to Whiskeria 65. CBJ and a little kissing but man was she hot in doggy style. Darn, I lost my camishinha, but she was more than fine with it after I gave her are $50 for a morning after pill. Are $200 total damage.

So I went on a walking tour of the city. A lot of beautiful architecture. The Royal Reading room is a gem in the midst of graffiti. Many statues and churches. I arrived at Hotel Primor, checked in and took a spa bath. After that I got on WhatsApp and found companionship for the next 5 hours. I didn't know what to expect for are $500 but I was pleasantly surprised. 18 yo, loves to kiss, BBBJ and endless energy. We talked on Google Translate, I got some dancing lessons, we ordered room service and we enjoyed the 5 hours very much. In fact I told her I wanted to go to Copacabana Beach with her on Friday for 12 hours.

Thursday. I checked into Hotel Lido in Copacabana; another love hotel. My plan was to meet up with a local porn star for a couple hours, arranged through an online advertisement. Well, she stood me up. She had childcare issues. So we rescheduled to Saturday, my last night in Rio. Instead I went to Monte Carlo. Wow, much higher prices than 4 x 4 - almost as bad as the airlines with charging a fee for this and that so you have no idea what you are paying in the end. Anyway, the usual change into a robe in the locker room, but this time I brought my bare skin magnums. I got tired waiting for the lift and took the stairs to the third floor. As soon as I got to the third floor there is this girl I made eye contact with. Wow, perfect girl in every respect, but I haven't even seen the place yet. So I went to the bar for a beer. Well I'm standing there doing my "I don't speak Portuguese" while looking around. And that girl from my entry comes over and stands on the other side of the room from me. Mind you there are very few guys in the place, I really have my pick. So I'm looking around and looking back at her. Okay fine, I walk over to her and say Hi I speak English. Yeah, that's right; the best pickup line ever. So she is coming on to me and I'm just like yeah baby whatever you want. I didn't understand the whole Brazilian bunda thing until that moment. This girl was a thin brunette except she has this big butt. Wow, okay that is sexy! So we get the suite for an hour. I take a shower and when I come out she is sitting there naked on the bed. So I really need to enjoy every inch of her body first things first. She was the prettiest girl I have ever been with. So she puts on the condom for a CBJ that was OK and then just automatically gets in doggy with her head resting on the mattress looking back at me with this devilish smile. This girl was thin everywhere except that Butt. And as I'm doing my thing I'm looking at her butt and back to her smiling face looking back at me; I don't last 20 minutes. I probably could have stayed longer for a second shot at the goal, but I was really happy and didn't want to have any chance of ruining a perfect memory. Are $777 and I am absolutely sure I got the better end of the deal. I went to the beer store next to the Lido and got plastered on three dark beers because I didn't eat anything all day. I went back to Galeto Sat's and then really just came back and passed out at the Lido for a few hours before walking back to my "nice hotel" on the west side of Copacabana.

Friday. So I head back to the Lido for my beach date. I call the girl from Wednesday night (really it is an agency) and ask for her to come over. Are $1000 for 12 hours. Well they send the wrong girl. I made the mistake of not complaining right away and sending her packing. But I don't like arguing and she fit the parameters on 18 yo with big boobs and tight small body. But she was tired, started complaining and I wanted the other girl. Well I call the agency back and request a change, but they won't budge. So I sent the girl home. Then the agency is saying I can have the other girl for 10 hours for are $300 and I relent. Well I am happy I did, and we had a great time at the beach and went to Galeto Sat's and the beer store and I ended up keeping her overnight for an additional 12 hours. But the agency kept ripping me off on time and money the whole way. They demanded that she leave early. I told the girl she needed to get away from these criminals. If they were ripping me off they were ripping her off too. And she has since left the Agency, taking two other girls with her. I scheduled a trip in February to go back and see her.

Saturday. When the girl left I packed up and left the Lido too, going back to my hotel. After a rest in my hotel I was looking forward to my local porn star. We had agreed that I would come to her place since I was to check out of the Lido already. However she asked if she could meet me at the Lido when I texted her. Okay fine. So I asked at the Lido what their hourly rate was. Hahaha, 2 hours about the same as the nightly rate booked on Expedia. Anyway the porn star stood me up again. So I went back to Copa 583 to see Branca, are $150. Not as nice a time because I was a lame duck leaving the next day probably.

But then I went to an apartment in the same building and that was interesting. They had a bar set up in the kitchen, living room a couple bathrooms and the bedrooms for business. Kind of like going to a high school house party with hookers. I went with a really fine girl to stat for an hour are $170. We rested at the bar and chatted. I asked what time they closed. The bar tender explained that they would close at 8 pm, but if you get there before that, then you can stay as long as you like. My plane was leaving early in the morning but I saw no reason to sleep. I ended up staying until 2 am. I kept taking girls back for an hour and resting a little and repeat. The highlight was the fine girl and another I took for a threesome. We negotiated the terms. None of the girls she liked were there now. She likes skinny white girls. (Well yeah, who doesn't? So I proposed this: one girl sits on my face and tries her best to cum. The other girl enjoyed sucking and fracking me. Then they switch half way. Well I know I liked it, but they seemed to like it even more. Right after that they needed my WhatsApp. It was a party. I bought a pizza, everyone had a great time.

Sunday. After three hours sleep at the hotel I packed up and caught an UBER to the airport. Now I am looking forward to my beach vacation in February 19.

LoverBoy1024, good first report. Thanks.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2240522]LoverBoy1024, good first report. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I completely agree! It's refreshing to see a solid TR in this forum.

Thank you LB!

[QUOTE=LoverBoy1024;2240267]... I have to say that I found myself surprised at how safe I felt in Rio. I stayed in Copacabana and walked the streets past 2 am on a few occasions as well as walked around Centro.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the trip report! As long as nothing happens you will feel safe but that can change in a second. I would advice you to be careful on your next trip and especially when walking the streets (alone) late at night. I was robbed myself in Copacabana around 2 AM on a Friday night and that was not a nice experience. Three guys came out of nowhere and I had no chance and they took my backpack and one of ther guys hit me hard right in my head. You don't want an experience like that, so don't take your safety for granted and stay safe!

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2240612]Thanks for the trip report! As long as nothing happens you will feel safe but that can change in a second. I would advice you to be careful on your next trip and especially when walking the streets (alone) in the middle of the night. I was robbed myself in Copacabana around 2 AM on a Friday night and that was not a nice experience. Three guys came out of nowhere and I had no chance and they took my backpack and one of ther guys hit me hard right in my head. You don't want an experience like that, so stay safe![/QUOTE]You are right to say that others should not follow my example. I push the boundaries and I always have. I think every monger does to an extent, we go to some pretty unsafe places. Should we be as safe as possible in those unsafe places? Sure.

I only say that I felt relatively safe in Rio de Janeiro. Comparing my experiences in Jamaica where I went through several robbery attempts. I felt afraid all the time in Jamaica. I felt safe all the time in Rio. But I push the boundaries. That doesn't mean others should follow in my footsteps. I am a pretty tough guy. Military, martial arts, 6'2", I naturally suppress my emotions including fear. People have threatened me, but they have backed down. The two guys following me on a dark beach in Negril Jamaica backed down when I turned around and asked them if they had a problem. The guy trying to snatch my wallet in Montego Bay waved a knife around but backed down. You are right, past performance is not a great predictor of the future as we grow older.

[QUOTE=LoverBoy1024;2240629]You are right to say that others should not follow my example. I push the boundaries and I always have. I think every monger does to an extent, we go to some pretty unsafe places.[/QUOTE]A nice trip report.
Be careful! Just don't feel too confident in Rio just because nothing happened on your first trip. Walking in Copacabana or Centro is far from "pushing the boundaries" in Rio. Sh*t can happen anywhere at anytime in Rio.

As long as you use common sense you should be quite safe. Never show fear, the malandros will smell it just like a pack of dogs.

I'm lucky. 28 years going to Rio and I never got robbed. My main concern is the danger in the traffic. Crossing the street and some a-hole afraid of stopping at red light might hit me.

[QUOTE=LoverBoy1024;2240629] I am a pretty tough guy. Military, martial arts, 6'2"[/QUOTE]Brazil is not Jamaica. You are pretty tough guy until you see a gun or two in front of you and believe me, they will shoot, because your life for them is less worth than even the cost of your empty wallet. Safe travel!

[QUOTE=Traveller44;2240919]Brazil is not Jamaica. You are pretty tough guy until you see a gun or two in front of you and believe me, they will shoot, because your life for them is less worth than even the cost of your empty wallet. Safe travel![/QUOTE]Thank you all for your concern for my safety. It has caused me to think some more about my approach to my safety.

First of all we must have our eyes and mind on the task at hand. When walking about in a strange land or even our home town we must be aware of our environment. Who is around us, where can they be hiding, what are the exits.

Second, we need to recognize it when we are tired or had too much to drink. We will not be able to function well in these states and should withdrawal to a safe space until we are recovered.

Third, we should not be in a hurry to go to a new environment. We should do our research. We should RTFF. We should observe before acting. We should know before we go.

Fourth, we should not put ourselves in the line of fire. Don't approach a group of young men at two in the morning. Be prepared to get out at the first sign of trouble. Don't be alone at night. Take an UBER instead of walking.

Fifth, be lucky. While we should do everything to be safe it may be luck that we must ultimately rely on. It was luck that I wasn't robbed and beaten in the LOS Angeles Rodney King riots. It was luck that I didn't attend the business lunch in San Bernardino during the recent terrorist attack. It is luck I didn't die when my car was rear ended and sandwiched between five cars ahead by a truck on the 10 freeway. It was luck I have not been caught between gang violence in Tijuana. It was luck that I have not been gunned down and made an EJK statistic in the Philippines. It was luck I have not had a fatal illness. It was luck I haven't died in an airline crash. And it was luck that I wasn't shot in Brazil.

I will be 58 next month and I love outliving my compatriots. Take care guys.

[QUOTE=LoverBoy1024;2240267]First of all thank you to all the contributors to this page and for the page itself. I visited Rio two weeks ago and I have some perspectives to share.

I have to say that I found myself surprised at how safe I felt in Rio. I stayed in Copacabana and walked the streets past 2 am on a few occasions as well as walked around Centro. By the way it is really easy to get turned around in Centro even using Google maps navigation. I was approached on many occasions with people speaking Portuguese and I think one Russian. It seems to be a very multi-ethnic city where even this Irish-Englishman looked like he was a Carioca. While there are many homeless in Copacabana I did not see any crime or police action. The homeless were all sleeping at 2 am.

My mongering approach was to try each of the easily available options: Termas, Massagems and online ads.

Sunday. I arrived on a Sunday and so I went to the Hippie Faire in Ipanema after checking in. Interesting, but I was just checking things out and had no intention of buying anything. I was thinking of trying a online advertisement but I was a little confused about WhatsApp. I didn't realize until later that I could use my US phone number (thank you T-Mobile! And I was told that the TIM store wouldn't be open until Monday. So, as expected Sunday was a quiet one.

Monday. I scheduled the tourist thing. Sugarloaf, Christ Redeemer, steakhouse lunch and the steps tour. It turned out to be a fine day although there were high clouds that didn't obstruct the views and a little rain. Instead of getting taken back to the hotel I left it at the steps in Santa Theresa and walked downtown to Quatro por Quatro.

It is quite a learning curve to get changed into a robe, and find your way into the lounge area, but I managed! But I left everything in the locker including my phone with Google Translate, my Bareskin Magnums and my mints. I could have used all those but didn't know what I could take and forgot the rest in my nervousness. So I cooled off under an air conditioner vent and sipped a Caipirinha while checking out the ladies. They were all friendly enough and it didn't take long to connect just using body language. So upstairs we went and I selected an hour in a standard room. This was a very friendly girl. DFK, BBBJ and many positions. The time seemed to be incredibly long and she never got tired. Well worth the money. After taking a shower I was back in the lounge. I was almost immediately seduced by another beautiful girl. By the way they were all pretty hot. Anyway she was again very friendly and we had a great time.

The bartender asked me for a tip when I got out to the lounge and ordered a beer. For some reason that pissed me off and I drank the beer and headed for the door. After changing back into my street clothes the girl in the locker room pointed to the sign on the wall that was there to remind everyone that she wouldn't mind a tip either. Okay fine I gave her a few are $. Well I was pretty happy with the bill on the way out. Seems like it was about are $700 for two great lays and some drinks. I paid using my debit card and went out a happy guy. Well I was half way down the road when the locker girl chased me down to give me my debit card that I forgot! Wow, tip well earned! I walked to the Carioca subway station and got a ride back to Copacabana.

Tuesday. I went and bought a TIM card. I was hoping to get better internet speeds but it seems to have been a wast of money. Or maybe there was a data cap I blew through pretty quickly. Either way I was constantly switching back and forth between my T-Mobile sim and TIM looking for a better connection.

Anyway I contacted a few advertisements using WhatsApp the night before using my T-Mobile number and had a date around 1 pm. All went smoothly with this date except that it turned out to be a minor bait and switch. She didn't match the photo, but I was OK with her. The other parameters looked right - 18 yo and thin. CBJ a little kissing and seemingly endless energy and time. Worth the are $250. Later on I bumped into the girl in the photo on the way out of the shower. She was her roommate. Oh well. My impostor told me she would contact me later and do a threesome, but it never materialized. After that I went down by the beach and caught a pretty good band at a kiosk and then went to eat at Galeto Sat's. I ended up going to Galeto Sats two more times after that evening- highly recommend for its food and menu in English. I left the restaurant too late to catch the subway and ended up having to walk back to my hotel on the west side of Copacabana.

I decided to try Copa 583 Massagem. A nice place. I chose a little older lady (30?) who was a really beautiful white woman with a really nice figure. I soon found out that Branca spoke English! She was a great kisser and loved doing a BBBJ that was the best of the trip. In fact she likes doing BJs so much I found her pussy sopping wet and she admitted it was because she got so turned on by it. Anyway it was a great massage and a great lay for are $150.

Wednesday. I had booked a love hotel downtown Centro. I still had my hotel in Copa for the whole time but they have a restrictive guest policy and I wanted to switch it up anyway. I started the day by setting up a lunch date through an advertisement to meet me at Confeitaria Colombo at 1 pm. The plan was to have lunch and then go check into the love hotel for a couple hours. Well she texted me that she was at the beauty salon and couldn't come until an hour and a half later. Sure. More like she just got laid and needed some recovery time. Instead I hoped over to Whiskeria 65. CBJ and a little kissing but man was she hot in doggy style. Darn, I lost my camishinha, but she was more than fine with it after I gave her are $50 for a morning after pill. Are $200 total damage.

So I went on a walking tour of the city. A lot of beautiful architecture. The Royal Reading room is a gem in the midst of graffiti. Many statues and churches. I arrived at Hotel Primor, checked in and took a spa bath. After that I got on WhatsApp and found companionship for the next 5 hours. I didn't know what to expect for are $500 but I was pleasantly surprised. 18 yo, loves to kiss, BBBJ and endless energy. We talked on Google Translate, I got some dancing lessons, we ordered room service and we enjoyed the 5 hours very much. In fact I told her I wanted to go to Copacabana Beach with her on Friday for 12 hours.

Thursday. I checked into Hotel Lido in Copacabana; another love hotel. My plan was to meet up with a local porn star for a couple hours, arranged through an online advertisement. Well, she stood me up. She had childcare issues. So we rescheduled to Saturday, my last night in Rio. Instead I went to Monte Carlo. Wow, much higher prices than 4 x 4 - almost as bad as the airlines with charging a fee for this and that so you have no idea what you are paying in the end. Anyway, the usual change into a robe in the locker room, but this time I brought my bare skin magnums. I got tired waiting for the lift and took the stairs to the third floor. As soon as I got to the third floor there is this girl I made eye contact with. Wow, perfect girl in every respect, but I haven't even seen the place yet. So I went to the bar for a beer. Well I'm standing there doing my "I don't speak Portuguese" while looking around. And that girl from my entry comes over and stands on the other side of the room from me. Mind you there are very few guys in the place, I really have my pick. So I'm looking around and looking back at her. Okay fine, I walk over to her and say Hi I speak English. Yeah, that's right; the best pickup line ever. So she is coming on to me and I'm just like yeah baby whatever you want. I didn't understand the whole Brazilian bunda thing until that moment. This girl was a thin brunette except she has this big butt. Wow, okay that is sexy! So we get the suite for an hour. I take a shower and when I come out she is sitting there naked on the bed. So I really need to enjoy every inch of her body first things first. She was the prettiest girl I have ever been with. So she puts on the condom for a CBJ that was OK and then just automatically gets in doggy with her head resting on the mattress looking back at me with this devilish smile. This girl was thin everywhere except that Butt. And as I'm doing my thing I'm looking at her butt and back to her smiling face looking back at me; I don't last 20 minutes. I probably could have stayed longer for a second shot at the goal, but I was really happy and didn't want to have any chance of ruining a perfect memory. Are $777 and I am absolutely sure I got the better end of the deal. I went to the beer store next to the Lido and got plastered on three dark beers because I didn't eat anything all day. I went back to Galeto Sat's and then really just came back and passed out at the Lido for a few hours before walking back to my "nice hotel" on the west side of Copacabana.

Friday. So I head back to the Lido for my beach date. I call the girl from Wednesday night (really it is an agency) and ask for her to come over. Are $1000 for 12 hours. Well they send the wrong girl. I made the mistake of not complaining right away and sending her packing. But I don't like arguing and she fit the parameters on 18 yo with big boobs and tight small body. But she was tired, started complaining and I wanted the other girl. Well I call the agency back and request a change, but they won't budge. So I sent the girl home. Then the agency is saying I can have the other girl for 10 hours for are $300 and I relent. Well I am happy I did, and we had a great time at the beach and went to Galeto Sat's and the beer store and I ended up keeping her overnight for an additional 12 hours. But the agency kept ripping me off on time and money the whole way. They demanded that she leave early. I told the girl she needed to get away from these criminals. If they were ripping me off they were ripping her off too. And she has since left the Agency, taking two other girls with her. I scheduled a trip in February to go back and see her.

Saturday. When the girl left I packed up and left the Lido too, going back to my hotel. After a rest in my hotel I was looking forward to my local porn star. We had agreed that I would come to her place since I was to check out of the Lido already. However she asked if she could meet me at the Lido when I texted her. Okay fine. So I asked at the Lido what their hourly rate was. Hahaha, 2 hours about the same as the nightly rate booked on Expedia. Anyway the porn star stood me up again. So I went back to Copa 583 to see Branca, are $150. Not as nice a time because I was a lame duck leaving the next day probably.

But then I went to an apartment in the same building and that was interesting. They had a bar set up in the kitchen, living room a couple bathrooms and the bedrooms for business. Kind of like going to a high school house party with hookers. I went with a really fine girl to stat for an hour are $170. We rested at the bar and chatted. I asked what time they closed. The bar tender explained that they would close at 8 pm, but if you get there before that, then you can stay as long as you like. My plane was leaving early in the morning but I saw no reason to sleep. I ended up staying until 2 am. I kept taking girls back for an hour and resting a little and repeat. The highlight was the fine girl and another I took for a threesome. We negotiated the terms. None of the girls she liked were there now. She likes skinny white girls. (Well yeah, who doesn't? So I proposed this: one girl sits on my face and tries her best to cum. The other girl enjoyed sucking and fracking me. Then they switch half way. Well I know I liked it, but they seemed to like it even more. Right after that they needed my WhatsApp. It was a party. I bought a pizza, everyone had a great time.

Sunday. After three hours sleep at the hotel I packed up and caught an UBER to the airport. Now I am looking forward to my beach vacation in February 19.[/QUOTE]Those prices appear high if in us $ but very good if in are $. I will be in Rio next week along with 9 friends and want to know the prices to expect.

[QUOTE=LoverBoy1024;2240267]First of all thank you to all the contributors to this page and for the page itself. I visited Rio two weeks ago and I have some perspectives to share.
They had a bar set up in the kitchen, living room a couple bathrooms and the bedrooms for business. Kind of like going to a high school house party with hookers. I went with a really fine girl to stat for an hour are $170. We rested at the bar and chatted. I asked what time they closed. The bar tender explained that they would close at 8 pm, but if you get there before that, then you can stay as long as you like. My plane was leaving early in the morning but I saw no reason to sleep. I ended up staying until 2 am. I kept taking girls back for an hour and resting a little and repeat. The highlight was the fine girl and another I took for a threesome. We negotiated the terms. None of the girls she liked were there now. She likes skinny white girls. (Well yeah, who doesn't? So I proposed this: one girl sits on my face and tries her best to cum. The other girl enjoyed sucking and fracking me. Then they switch half way. Well I know I liked it, but they seemed to like it even more. Right after that they needed my WhatsApp. It was a party. I bought a pizza, everyone had a great time.

Sunday. After three hours sleep at the hotel I packed up and caught an UBER to the airport. Now I am looking forward to my beach vacation in February 19.[/QUOTE]Great report. You are quoting prices in the Brazilian Real, correct?

A high school party with hookers. What a great concept.

Thanks for the awesome report. Tell me, was Monte Carlo hopping? I remember when I was hitting the termas circa 2010-2012 the exchange rate was 1 $ = 1. 65-1. 85 Reals and many of the clubs were dead. The old L'umo club was always good on Sunday at least and 4 x4 was hopping but some clubs were barren.

You make me long for the old days. Don't get too confident about your personal safety though.

[QUOTE=Duke69;2240986]Those prices appear high if in us $ but very good if in are $. I will be in Rio next week along with 9 friends and want to know the prices to expect.[/QUOTE]When posting the letter got translated to 'R'. The prices are Brazilian dollars.

[QUOTE=LoverBoy1024;2240267]Snip. But then I went to an apartment in the same building and that was interesting. They had a bar set up in the kitchen, living room a couple bathrooms and the bedrooms for business. Kind of like going to a high school house party with hookers. I went with a really fine girl to stat for an hour are $170. We rested at the bar and chatted. I asked what time they closed. The bar tender explained that they would close at 8 pm, but if you get there before that, then you can stay as long as you like. My plane was leaving early in the morning but I saw no reason to sleep. I ended up staying until 2 am. I kept taking girls back for an hour and resting a little and repeat. The highlight was the fine girl and another I took for a threesome. We negotiated the terms. None of the girls she liked were there now. She likes skinny white girls. (Well yeah, who doesn't? So I proposed this: one girl sits on my face and tries her best to cum. The other girl enjoyed sucking and fracking me. Then they switch half way. Well I know I liked it, but they seemed to like it even more. Right after that they needed my WhatsApp. It was a party. I bought a pizza, everyone had a great time. Snip.[/QUOTE]How did you know to go to that apartment? What was the apartment number?

[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2241004]Great report. You are quoting prices in the Brazilian Real, correct?

A high school party with hookers. What a great concept.

Thanks for the awesome report. Tell me, was Monte Carlo hopping? I remember when I was hitting the termas circa 2010-2012 the exchange rate was 1 $ = 1. 65-1. 85 Reals and many of the clubs were dead. The old L'umo club was always good on Sunday at least and 4 x4 was hopping but some clubs were barren.

You make me long for the old days. Don't get too confident about your personal safety though.[/QUOTE]I am quoting prices in Brazilian reals.

Yeah, you know getting down and dirty in the apartment was very satisfying. I experienced a variety and can't say it was the best, but each has its points. But it was an awesome party to finish up the trip. You know there were some Americans there who were complaining that the girls were not model material. I had to set them strait. You cannot get this in America. And at US 47 an hour. Are you kidding me? I just had two hot girls getting me off and themselves off on me for an hour for US 94. You are absolute idiots. Well they both came to their senses.

Maybe I was early for the Monte Carlo at about 8 pm. There were about 25 girls there and five guys. 4 x 4 had many more girls and guys. So more competition for the hottest girls. You pay more in the Monte Carlo but no competition. At least when I was there. There were many hot girls in both clubs but the room at Monte Carlo was very nice, but I got the suite there and the standard room at 4 x 4.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2241007]How did you know to go to that apartment? What was the apartment number?[/QUOTE]There was a lady outside the building where copa 583 is located handing out flyers and she took me up to the apartment when I expressed interest. Sorry I don't remember the apartment number. It was the third or fourth floor first room to the left past the elevators I think. But the people outside the building gave me flyers on two different days. Something like 'sexy hot girls club'. They should be there handing out flyers. You know I really want to go back. It was a great time.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2241007]How did you know to go to that apartment? What was the apartment number?[/QUOTE]Good question. This guy is an amazing rookie. Hell, I could barely find a terma my first visit and nearly 10 years later and after hours of daily study of Portuguese and multiple trips I still have some difficulty pulling some of this off.

[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2241017]Good question...[/QUOTE]On Nossa Senhora de Copacabana 583 there are several puteiros. SL, sala 401 and 505, and maybe some more.
They are handing out flyers outside the building.

Arrived Tuesday morning and made it to the hotel in record time. Checked in and was on the beach by 10 am. Hung out by my favorite kiosk at post 9 and enjoyed the sun.

After the beach I went shopping. There's a new market 2 blocks from my hotel, and then I exchanged some dollars for reals. At the peak of the real weakness a couple of months ago, the best I could get was 3.75, even through on my credit card I got 4.14. But now with the real at 3.75 I'm only getting 3.50. We'll see what happens if Bolsonaro gets in.

Met up with a friend later who retired from Centaurus. She only sees a few clients on the side while she finishes her education. I've been a big proponent of Centaurus in the past, but have been frequenting Solarium more and more. The main reason isn't so much the cost but the drugs. On 3 separate occasions over the past year I've taken a girl to a room and she invites a few friends to get high. At that point I'm stuck, if I throw them out I'm that rat who doesn't party. If let them stay, then it eats into my time. And while I do smoke a little weed from time-to-time at home, I don't know what these chicks are into, nor what they're smoking. Anyway, my girl who left Centaurus cites this as the #1 reason why she left. She's smoking hot, but expensive. I wanted a model-level girl to break the seal, and we had a blast. One thousand reals for the whole evening. Yeah, I know, expensive. But it's all relative. That's her price and I had the money. Back home she's a $2000 USD per session Riley Keough GFE type of girl. If you've seen the show you know what I mean.

Next day was Solarium and I had a blast. The vibe is so much friendlier than at Centaurus, and the girls are better looking and less pushy. There were more local clients than punters, which I like. The rooms are much smaller at Solarium, but that doesn't bother me at all. I took a 27 year old brunette with a pretty face and a great ass. She was a lot of fun and service was a 10/10. I saw a few others who I'll be going back for.

Yesterday I invited a former Solarium girl back to the hotel. She stayed a couple of hours and had a lot of fun. Those tiny splits of Chandon are the perfect size and the girls love them. Paid 500 for 3 hours.

By the evening, I was gassed. I hit the vodka and has a great seafood dinner and watched the Warriors club the Knicks. A perfect first 3 days. Now it's Saturday afternoon and the sun is finally out again after 3 shitty days in a row. Most likely I'll hit Solarium again before a day off tomorrow.

I do have one question. I enjoy a massage with the possibility of a happy ending (but a H. E. isn't necessary). Can anybody suggest a place in Ipanema or Copa where the girls are professional but also attractive? I've had a couple of good massages here at the hotel, but the ladies were in their 50's. Just a personal preference is all. Thanks.

Nice work there LoverBoy. The "stuff of old"! But, I will say a few too many CBJs for me. Was that your idea or theirs? Because I have never had a CBJ in Rio ever, and hope I never will. Sem camisinha sempre!

[QUOTE=Chezz;2241193]Next day was Solarium and I had a blast. The vibe is so much friendlier than at Centaurus, and the girls are better looking and less pushy. There were more local clients than punters, which I like.[/QUOTE]I did not understand this. Why are local guys at a hoarhouse not considered punters?

[QUOTE=LoverBoy1024;2240267]After that I got on WhatsApp and found companionship for the next 5 hours. I didn't know what to expect for are $500 but I was pleasantly surprised. 18 yo, loves to kiss, BBBJ and endless energy.[/QUOTE]I don't really get it. Whatsapp is not a dating site, but just a chat app. How can you find companionship just with Whatsapp?

You are correct. I used the word punters incorrectly in this case. What I mean to convey is that there seems to be fewer sex tourist from western countries than locals (this was confirmed by several girls I spoke with) the night I was there.

The locals, again according the girls I spoke with, tend to drink, make out and feel-up the girls without taking them to a room for a session. While tourists, like me, go to termas with the main purpose of taking a girls to a room.

If I see a girl I like with a local guy, there's a chance he's won't take her to the room. If I make eye contact with her and she sizes me up as a gringo sex tourist, there's a chance she might excuse herself from him, especially if they're in a group. And that's exactly what happened on Wednesday.

I hope that makes sense. Sorry for rambling on.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2241234]I did not understand this. Why are local guys at a hoarhouse not considered punters?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chezz;2241271]You are correct. I used the word punters incorrectly in this case. What I mean to convey is that there seems to be fewer sex tourist from western countries than locals (this was confirmed by several girls I spoke with) the night I was there.

The locals, again according the girls I spoke with, tend to drink, make out and feel-up the girls without taking them to a room for a session. While tourists, like me, go to termas with the main purpose of taking a girls to a room.

If I see a girl I like with a local guy, there's a chance he's won't take her to the room. If I make eye contact with her and she sizes me up as a gringo sex tourist, there's a chance she might excuse herself from him, especially if they're in a group. And that's exactly what happened on Wednesday.

I hope that makes sense. Sorry for rambling on.[/QUOTE]Perfect sense and an excellent point. That being, if you see an obvious local with a girl that you like do not assume she is unavailable. It is not considered rude to make eye contact with her and let her know you are interested.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2241213]Nice work there LoverBoy. The "stuff of old"! But, I will say a few too many CBJs for me. Was that your idea or theirs? Because I have never had a CBJ in Rio ever, and hope I never will. Sem camisinha sempre![/QUOTE]I don't like to argue and I defaulted to whatever the girl wanted. Most of the time I couldn't negotiate terms in advance because I don't speak Portuguese. I think it is much better to have everything consensual, for me I don't want to force the issue. BBBJs are nice, but they are not a requirement for me, happy providers are a requirement for me. With my beach date she started out with a CBJ and when I went downtown on her in a 69 she just started giving me BBBJs from then on.

[QUOTE=LoverBoy1024;2240267]
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But then I went to an apartment in the same building and that was interesting. They had a bar set up in the kitchen, living room a couple bathrooms and the bedrooms for business. Kind of like going to a high school house party with hookers. I went with a really fine girl to stat for an hour are $170. We rested at the bar and chatted. I asked what time they closed. The bar tender explained that they would close at 8 pm, but if you get there before that, then you can stay as long as you like. My plane was leaving early in the morning but I saw no reason to sleep. I ended up staying until 2 am. I kept taking girls back for an hour and resting a little and repeat. The highlight was the fine girl and another I took for a threesome. We negotiated the terms. None of the girls she liked were there now. She likes skinny white girls. (Well yeah, who doesn't? So I proposed this: one girl sits on my face and tries her best to cum. The other girl enjoyed sucking and fracking me. Then they switch half way. Well I know I liked it, but they seemed to like it even more. Right after that they needed my WhatsApp. It was a party. I bought a pizza, everyone had a great time.

Sunday. After three hours sleep at the hotel I packed up and caught an UBER to the airport. Now I am looking forward to my beach vacation in February 19.[/QUOTE]Excellent report!

Also, do you mind sharing how you found the pornstar?

I'm def going to check out that little side bar, I wonder if there are more "house party" type vibe places.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2241381]Excellent report!

Also, do you mind sharing how you found the pornstar?.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/rio-de-janeiro/capital/copacabana/pse[/URL]

Marcella Schultz. I was really looking forward to it, but it never worked out. This is where I looked for all the advertisements I contacted with WhatsApp. You can do a google search for her movies.

[QUOTE=LoverBoy1024;2241347]I don't like to argue and I defaulted to whatever the girl wanted. Most of the time I couldn't negotiate terms in advance because I don't speak Portuguese. I think it is much better to have everything consensual, for me I don't want to force the issue. BBBJs are nice, but they are not a requirement for me, happy providers are a requirement for me. With my beach date she started out with a CBJ and when I went downtown on her in a 69 she just started giving me BBBJs from then on.[/QUOTE]Gotcha. And this is one of the reasons why I prefer those environments where I have an opportunity to interact with the girls first. See if we "click" any, and then I can ask for what I want. I like for everything to be consensual too, and that includes me getting things that I want for the money I'm paying. If we can work it out, great! The termas and the German FKKs are good for this approach. I don't like your classic brothel anywhere near as much where they parade out a bunch of girls, and then you're just supposed to pick one without having a chance to interact with her beforehand. Again, nice report and looking forward to more!

[QUOTE=ExecTalent;2241344]Perfect sense and an excellent point. That being, if you see an obvious local with a girl that you like do not assume she is unavailable. It is not considered rude to make eye contact with her and let her know you are interested.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't be too obvious, but it's a place of business and the girls are there to make money. Some of the locals might pay the entrance, play grab ass with the girls and hang out with their buddies. They might do this for several hours without ever taking a girl to a room.*

So no, it's not considered rude for you to look at a girl in a termas. And it's up to her to assess her opportunity to make money.

I've often spotted a girl in a termas, got a vibe and told her I would take her upstairs in XX minutes. I want to chill and let my vitamin V kick in. It's amazing how most girls will just chill and stay glued to your side at this point. A bird in their bush is worth far more than two hands on their bum or something like that.

* This is the amazing thing about most termas girls. They are excellent hosts. The management makes sure most girls treat the clients well.

[QUOTE=LoverBoy1024;2241399][URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/rio-de-janeiro/capital/copacabana/pse[/URL]

Marcella Schultz. I was really looking forward to it, but it never worked out. This is where I looked for all the advertisements I contacted with WhatsApp. You can do a google search for her movies.[/QUOTE]Like they said, it's not dead, it just moved to the web. And I tell you what. Those prices are more akin to how things should be. Sure beats the 3, 4, and 500 reais being posted that some guys are paying Mabs chicks.

Day 1:

Landed at 11:00 local after nearly 20 hours of flying and layovers. With an aching back and numbed ass, I fortuitously had no issues getting through customs and claimed my baggage, when I received a text from the people I am renting an apartment from asking when to send someone to pick me up. This was irrigating since I had previously asked about pickup and received no reply. I didn't want to wait for them and instead grabbed a meter taxi at the departure level after taking a picture of the taxi plate and acting like I texted it to someone. Yeah, I'm a bit paranoid. After several close calls in traffic (Note to self, take larger, slower taxi next time.) arrived at the apartment. My apartment was a point of discussion a few years back on these forms when someone looking at the pictures of it noted that it would be a good mongers pad. I thought so too and the price was agreeable. It is not located as close to the subway and massage parlor areas as I would like, but makes up for it with many excellent restaurants and close to the beach with a restricted sea view. I looked at airnb but most of them have a lot of restrictions about guests and I plan to have guests, like maybe two or even three at a time. I did not choose a hotel because same possible issues and I wanted an apartment with sofa, chairs, big screen monitor, etc and could not find one which combined all that I wanted. I found this apartment on [URL]bookings.com[/URL] and when I realized it was the one from these forums, booked it and informing the owners that I intend to bring guests back to my apartment. They have no issues as long as we are respectful to our neighbors and not disturb them.

Once I was settled I began to check out the neighborhood. I had some Brazil currency since I used an ATM at the airport which charged two different service fees so not a good deal. The first money exchanges you see after landing had horrible rates but could be negotiated with somewhat. The exchanges upstairs? I think had better rates but I used the ATM. Not sure which had the better deal. After settling in I headed out. I wanted to get a SIM card for phone but I had my main, personal phone with me not the old smartphone I wanted to use while in Brazil so I skipped that and proceeded to Copa583 massage. My original plan was to take two girls there but my back and ass where killing me and I also was tired after little sleep in the last 24 hours. So, my plans changed to a good massage, then sex, then back to my apartment for a nap and that's what I did. There were about 12 girls there when I arrived at about 16:00 all of them decent, which surprised me. I had expected a more wider range of girls from non fuckable to one or two hotties. Still, the usual monger quandary presented itself, in that the best looking girl would not do BBBJ. I decided on Marcela since she did allowed BBBJCIM. I told the English speaking receptionist that I wanted a good massage at first followed by oral afterwards.

Here is the funny thing. From the pictures of Marcela on the website she is not a girl I would have chosen because to me, her ass looked quite large in relation to the rest of her body which does not turn me on. In person her ass looked fine and once naked, even better. I wonder if they Photoshop her pictures to make her ass look wider than it really is or just the pose? I don't know but it's an issue which I am willing to investigate with great enthusiasm. She is tall which I like with a nice face and I would say a 34 DD sized natural breasts! After I showered I laid down on the bed and Marcela actually did provide a half way decent massage for about 25 minutes. Her foot massage was actually excellent and after that I turned over we had our fun. Unfortunately, her oral skills were just average. Now, keep this in mind when reading my reports. For a girl to get me off orally, she really needs to be good and, and I am not bragging here, at least average sized mouth since my dick is bigger and thicker than average. So, some girls may have good oral skills but of their teeth keep rubbing my dick then that is an issue that I have and a more average sized man my not. After a while when I could tell she was not getting the job done we switched to 69 and I had her use her hands more than mouth. Marcela seemed to enjoy my oral efforts or at least, fake well enough that I could not be certain she was faking. Getting a girl off always helps gets me off so when I was about to cum I pushed her head down on my dick and she took it all and then spat it out in the shower. Overall Marcela provided excellent service. She did what I asked, gave a decent GFE, and a nice body. I saw no evidence of child birth and while I prefer a more slender girl, I would rate her an 8 because natural 34 DD are rare. I will repeat with her and fuck those tits. I did not ask about anal which I now wish I did. Cost 150 plus 20 tip.

Satisfied I returned to my apartment and took a nap and then headed to the Blue Agave. I wanted to watch the world series even without my Broyals (that's Brewers with two of my 2015 champions KC Royals players) and I read good reviews of the Blue Agave. It was indeed an excellent little bar. I had the burrito el pastor which was decent and chips and cheese and of course, some adult beverages. Prices seemed reasonable and staff friendly. Spent some time watching and another American and I believe a British guy who showed his low intelligence by insisting that cricket was better than baseball. I stayed there a couple of hours and departed for well needed sleep.

Day 2:

This was a Saturday and I decided not to go back to Copa583 but to get more Brazilian reals and SIM chips for my tablet and unfortunately, my expensive new phablet. Either the TSA swiped my old phone more likely, I left it in my vehicle and failed to grab it as I intended. Getting an ATM to work in Brazil was a lot more effort that I have ever had before. I wanted to use the Citibank ATM since I am a member and they were close by but I must of walked by for I could not find it where I thought it would be. Then I tried the Itau ATM which rejected my first attempt since I was over the limit and withdrawing from savings. So fine, I reduced it to the 750 limit and made sure I choose checking and again, said I was trying to withdraw from savings and gave no cash. Now, I had the money in savings so puzzled, left. I then tried another back, the Banco de Brazil. First attempt I tried to withdraw too much money so tried again. It said that I was over my limit and had made too many withdrawals. Now I was concerned that maybe the first ATM may have sucked the money from my accounts but not give me any or someone had cloned my card from using it at the airport and was also sucking out my cash so after a long walk, returned to my apartment to check. All was good but I made sure my bank knew I was in Brazil. I then firmly noted the location of Citibank and it was not where I thought it was but much closer and I must have walked by it since I was not expecting it to be there. I went to where Citiback was and found it was empty, closed or relocated I don't know. Irritated I then tried to find a money lender close to me but they were also closed. Walking on I tried to get a SIM card. I wanted one from TIM since they seemed to have a good signal where I was but there were no TIM stores near me so instead I went into VIVO. There I was told that they had SIM chips but not in Copacabana but other locations. I then tried an electronic store and was told to go shopping Rio Sul. There is a TIM store there so I think that's what he meant. So far, everything I tried to do today came up tits firsts so I started to walk back to my apartment when I decided to try one last ATM machine, which was Banco Bradesco. Success! This was probably due to it being a Cirrcus or something like network which I had forgotten to look for when travelling. I was able to withdraw a quite large amount so at least one thing accomplished and now, time for some fun.

I had intended to go to RJ massage for a Lingam massage. I was still feeling the effect of travel on this mid fifties year old body and I wanted to just relax and have some nice gal really work over my dick and balls. I had read some mixed reviews of RJ, one saying horrible and other a toe curling fantastic HJ like they never had before. I figured I would TOFTT and find out which was correct. They had a limited lineup being Saturday but the websites are never up to date so I would see what I find. However, in all my wandering I had forgotten the address of RJ and was about to head back to my apartment when I noticed that the ATM I used was right next to Copa583. Well, the fates had decided on where to go so up the stairs I went. The receptionist was an attractive black girl Nubia and she took me to my room for the line up to present themselves. Marcela was not available and again, the best looking girl would not do oral without a condom. Nubia was the girl I got the best vibe from and I chose her.

Again, from the photos her ass looked a bit wide for my tastes but in the room, nicely shaped and sized, very firm. Her tits saged a little but I didn't mind. I don't expect perfection if I'm not paying for it. Her oral skills were however, very good, much better than Marcela. I had her spend most of her time working on me orally and while she came close to making me cum, did not quite. I do believe I made her cum by massaging her clit for her face was close to me and she sure seemed to be in orgasmic rapture. Sadly, at this point she was using her hands on me but those skills in that department, were average at best and I was not cumming. So in the end I had here lie face up and jacked off myself over her open mouth with her tongue out. She took some of my cum in her mouth but closed it and rest on lips and tits. Not my favorite way to cum but I was afraid time was running out. Overall Nubia has much better than average oral skills. She is shorter than average but with a cute face and OK body. She maintains eye contact while blowing you and is a good kisser and a sweetheart. Worth repeating and I am thinking. Marcela has the better body and Nubia better oral skills so some possibility here. Again, I did not ask about anal with here but she had no problems with me lightly fingering her anus a bit. Nubia is worth repeating. Cost 150 + 20 tip.

Afterwards I intended to get some food, a margarita since they make me sleepy, then nap, and maybe head to Monte Carlo or Mabs very late and try to get a girl to overnight and stat with me Sunday. However, while at Rote66 a Mexican restaurant I had a giant frozen margarita and fell into talking to a Canadian. We ended up talking about sports, Dr. Richard Feyman of all things, rush and other interests which we had in common for several hours. However, my new found bro had a tendency to become more and more feisty with each drink and. Irritating to me and worse, strangers whom we would just walk up and and talk with (he had some basic Portagese skills) and I could tell he that there were good odds he would end up in trouble, and that would get me in trouble. We ended up at a rock and roll bar across the street from Rote66 called Rock something. Not on Google so might be new. I was getting tired so I wanted to head out especially since they had a 20 real entrance charge. I was walking away when the doorman told me no charge so I went in with the Canadian but told them both I not there for long.

Now, one good thing about have a buddy who will walk up and talk to anyone is that we met two local guys and learned that sometimes freelancers and more serious P4P girls show up from time to time, and that we should avoid them. I nodded in agreement and when to look for them. I did not see any of those fine ladies that I could tell and most of the customers were men anyways. The bar does have excellent taste in rock and roll, much better than Blue Agave which played nothing but long haired metal bands like Iron Madien. That's all OK but this bar was playing Pink Floyd, Blue Oyster Cult, etc. Bands with more talent than hair growth. There were to have a live band later and the staff were all dressed up for Halloween but I did not stick around to hear them I was crashing and then my buddy disappeared. You know how in the movies the hero turns his / her back for just a few seconds and the person they were protecting vanished, like no way in real life that could happen? Well, it happens! My buddy had yet again starting talking to a total stranger at the bar so I turn around, step up on a raised are of the bar, turn around and he is gone! 20 minutes later after looking for him I settle up, leave work with one of the bar tenders who spoke English to tell the Canadian I left and to maybe stop serving him alcohol and save everyone there some grief and head home and went to bed, intending to head to MC or Mabs latter but I could not keep awake and crashed instead. Overall, an interesting first two days.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2241657]Like they said, it's not dead, it just moved to the web. And I tell you what. Those prices are more akin to how things should be. Sure beats the 3, 4, and 500 reais being posted that some guys are paying Mabs chicks.[/QUOTE]That site seems very reasonable price wise. I attempted to use it on a Sunday, since there are very limited options on Sundays, but most of the ones I sent messages to did not respond. These were the ones that advertised that they were available on Sundays (the only one that responded was asking for too much, no price was shown on her profile). Anyways if language is an issue for you, if you use it on your phone and click the WhatsApp option below the screen, it will open up the WhatsApp app on your phone and send a pre-worded text to the one you want to contact in Portuguese. If available the chica will respond within minutes and go from there.

I didn't have much luck due to the Sunday issue and after that, I was just too busy with other things to go out of my way to try again. A buddy of mine did it, but ended up with a bait and switch. But he said the one that responded wasn't bad at all and it worked out good in the end. It turned out that she was in the same building as him in Copa and other GDP's also worked out of that apt. So, like the other poster posted, you never know what lurks beyond any apt door, LOL. Next time I go, I will give it a try again, hopefully will have better luck. These girls.

[QUOTE=LoverBoy1024;2241399][URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/rio-de-janeiro/capital/copacabana/pse[/URL]

Marcella Schultz. I was really looking forward to it, but it never worked out. This is where I looked for all the advertisements I contacted with WhatsApp. You can do a google search for her movies.[/QUOTE]By the way, good trip report.

[QUOTE=CageMonkey;2241663]Day 2: I wanted to use the Citibank ATM since I am a member and they were close by but I must of walked by for I could not find it where I thought it would be. I decided to try one last ATM machine, which was Banco Bradesco. Success![/QUOTE]Brasil Citibank is No More. Its operations were bought by Itau Unibanco last year. It wouldn't have mattered even if it was still open. Brasil Citibank is not USA Citibank. The only thing in common is the name. They would have charged you ATM and foreign transaction fees. I know this because I had a Citibank account. You lucked out with Bradesco: They don't have ATM fees. You also lucked out in not having you card cloned at the airport ATM. Yep, happened to me also! By the time I got to the apartment, 4 withdrawals had been made, 3 in Brasil and 1 in Uruguay. That was a major PITA! Looking forward to your reports.

With the new President in Brazil, who from what I understand is a sort of Trump right winger, what do you think will happen with the mongering scene?

Will it get worse or better?

Exchange rate?

Civil Unrest?

Thoughts?

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2242050]Brasil Citibank is No More. Its operations were bought by Itau Unibanco last year. It wouldn't have mattered even if it was still open. Brasil Citibank is not USA Citibank. The only thing in common is the name. They would have charged you ATM and foreign transaction fees. I know this because I had a Citibank account.[/QUOTE]Same thing would happen to me in various countries with HSBC, but all I had to do was call and they would refund the fees.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2242068]With the new President in Brazil, who from what I understand is a sort of Trump right winger, what do you think will happen with the mongering scene?

Will it get worse or better?

Exchange rate?

Civil Unrest?

Thoughts?[/QUOTE]How difficult is to ask your question in General Info or Living in Brazil forum?

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2242068]With the new President in Brazil, who from what I understand is a sort of Trump right winger, what do you think will happen with the mongering scene?

Will it get worse or better?

Exchange rate?

Civil Unrest?

Thoughts?[/QUOTE]I might be wrong but as long as he stays clean and doesn't go corrupt then he will be good for the country. Brazil had 67,000 murders last year, ten times more were shot but didn't die, ten times that threatened with a weapon but not hurt. Lots of complete decapitations and now kidnappings, including children being kidnapped. They need someone to get a grip of the situation and that's why even moderate people like some doctors, lawyers and teachers I know voted for him. Just like Mr. Trump, there's some things people like and don't like about him. The press did their best to destroy him but they didn't succeed as the crime figures and real fear on the streets negated whatever the media said, the facts speak for themselves. On the scale of things who cares if he made a comment once about "a women's place is in the home etc etc." The country is losing it to the criminals and they need someone who is going to grip this up. Well, I think he's going to do just that. He's apparently going to form a cabinet which will have some army generals within senior cabinet positions like defence and homeland security. Do soldiers make the best politicians. Personally I don't think they do as they always approach things with a military mind and that can work against them sometimes. As long as they also have career politicians and advisors alongside then it should be okay. I really do hope he doesn't become a dictator. That would be terrible and that's not what people want. I think a lot of bad people will be killed and it will happen soon. In amongst that a hell of a lot of innocent people will be caught in the middle and that's a tragedy. The favelas and vilas in Brazil are unpoliceable and are a massive problem. The western media will highlight these killings and portray him as the anti christ and try and demonise him. The press don't live in these favelas. What started as a few shacks like in Rocinha has now reached a staggering 250,000 people. This is replicated across the country. 99.9% of the people living there are not a problem at all, but the main gangs have exploited this and taken over. The people shouldn't expect miracles and remember who they voted for, a man who said he would bring the iron fist down on crime!! He doesn't have any more money to build houses, build schools, universities and hospitals. All that takes years and is a slow gradual process. If he smashes crime and also corruption within government then in my opinion he has succeeded. If I was there I would have voted for him.

CageMonkey,

What was the cost at Copa583?

I would say those stretch pants, camera poses and angles are designed to accentuate the female posterior for the Brazilian male. If one prefers a more European build, I could see why those photos could turn someone off. I've seen women in termas with asses far bigger. I've been more mystified at how those big asses were so firm.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2242105]CageMonkey,

What was the cost at Copa583?

I would say those stretch pants, camera poses and angles are designed to accentuate the female posterior for the Brazilian male. If one prefers a more European build, I could see why those photos could turn someone off. I've seen women in termas with asses far bigger. I've been more mystified at how those big asses were so firm.[/QUOTE]$150 Reals.

If you search the PhotoAcompanhantes website you will some girls who claim to be in porno. Several I have matched videos online with the escort photos:

Barbara Alves.

Bianca Holtz.

Melissa Pitanga.

This does not necessary mean that the girl not using fake photos.

There is also Clara Camargo who is not listed as a transvestite yet matched some online videos with that name but face showing enough and my stomach not strong enough to keep looking.

All of the girls? Seem pretty skank but I know that is a turn on for others. However, Alves does show some impressive BJ / HJ skills and goes down on pussy so she might be interesting by herself or in a threesome.

[QUOTE=Traveller44;2242078]How difficult is to ask your question in General Info or Living in Brazil forum?[/QUOTE]Specifically wanted to know the effects on rio. Also Rio is a more active forum and would get a quicker responds.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2242434]Specifically wanted to know the effects on rio. Also Rio is a more active forum and would get a quicker responds.[/QUOTE]If you go back something like 7 pages in this thread (just before the discussion on the NY sex scene in the 70's) you'll find long discussions about the Bolsonaro effect on the mongering scene.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2242434]Specifically wanted to know the effects on rio. Also Rio is a more active forum and would get a quicker responds.[/QUOTE]But could not write the word? The last post of any forum shows first in front page. Nice, first Afghanistan, then Iraq, Libya, Syria and finally Rio forum. Americans (as the Soviets too) know how to ruin the places, or was it bringing the democracy? LOL.

Sunday: I did not do too much, no mongering. As I still was not able to use whatsapp because my phones still had my American SIM cards, I did not want to contact an escort with my real phone number. Also, with the Real growing on the dollar, I wanted to save a little and let my balls recharge. I spend some time down by the beach and did some walking around, but otherwise not much. Today was also the election so I wanted to be close at hand encase there were any troubles. Other than a close bar across the street being some sort of Bolsonaro support center and cheering, chanting, and singing as the elections results came in, all was pretty quit with the exception of some fireworks and maybe a gunshot or two. After 22:00 they seemed to knock it off and the streets went quiet.

Monday: I was determined to get my phone and tablet on local cell SIM's. Since I had good TIM service (that Verizon was roaming through) and they had the largest prepaid number of customers, I took a taxi to Shopping Rio Sul since I did not think I could walk there through the tunnels. Turns out there were walkways along the tunnel and many people using them so I could have. One at the mall I went into the TIM store and they told me that the TIM Visitor chip was no longer available. So instead, we have to go up to the next level to the Lojas America general merchandise store, get some prepaid credit cards (BTW, this might be a solution for us Americans to become paid members of ISG. I will test today if I can) and then use those to pay for the plans. My guy Diego got my tablet working without any issues but could not get the chip in the phone to work. So he switched chips from tablet to phone they he and another guy spend literally 1.5 hours on tech support. In the end they said that it was enable and would work, just had to wait until the network to see it or something like that. My only cost was the four credit cards at something like 69 reals each for two 7 gig plans. More than I needed but I think there were some limitations and had to go that size. He also needed my passport. In the end the next day my tablet did indeed come online so all is good. I will be heading back there soon to thank him.

Now, my plan was since I would be in Botafago was to use whatsapp to contact a lady and go meet her. However, buying those credit cards sucked up my most of my cash I had with so I had to hit an ATM but now was carrying around more cash than I wanted too, as well my tablet, phone, and passport and I was wary about walking around an area I did not know at all as it was getting dark. So end the end, I headed back to my apartment in Copacabana, and with just my phone and enough cash for a girl, drinks and food, headed back to Copa583 since it was the path of least resistance. I ended up with Nubia again. I have to downgrade my rating for her. Her body is really a 6 at best but face, sweetness, and oral skills raise it to 7. This time I was able to use my fingers to get her off. She likes being fingered fucked but even more masturbating her just above the clit. Made her cum twice. I also tried anal with her but it as not good for I could not feel myself going in or out, might as well been fucking mud. In the end, she jacked me off somewhat in her mouth. These girls know when your cumming and can dodge a bullet like supergal. Cost again 150+50 for anal +20 tip. After we finished I walked back towards home but ate and drank some at a bar close to me and then off to bed.

Tuesday: Now that I whatsapp working, after waiting for the girls to wake up, I began to contacted two. Being that I wanted to not spend so much, I did not want any girl over 200. I contacted Juliane at [URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/rio-de-janeiro/niteroi/gata-super-completa-fa%C3%A7o-sexo-anal-sem-cobrar-taxa-id-ztarv[/URL] and asked if she came to Copacabana from NiterI and she said no. Note that there are about 5 ads associated with that number. Next I contacted Melissa at [URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/rio-de-janeiro/capital/copacabana/loirinha-ninfetinha-sapeca-de-18-aninhos-de-muita-experiencia-id-h6wa9[/URL] and after some back and forth, said she was close by and would be right over. She took about 40 minutes to arrive but she was worth the wait.

Melissa is a tall, lean spinner. Her body is better and hotter than what the photos suggest. She has the body you see on the really hot Thai girls but with a better ass. Flat stomach, firm butt, and mouthful sized breasts. She does have four year old child but I could find no stretch marks or evidence of that of any kind. Her breasts look bigger in her pictures than what they are. Be cup size at best but she does not need a bra for no sagging at all. Her altitude was OK, call it a light GFE. She does kiss on the mouth but not enthusiastically. Nor does she really like being fingered although 69 was OK. Her oral skills were a bit better than most and she did do some deep throat. Sh also had braces but I did not feel them but she indicated (I think) that she did now want me to CIM because of them. We did it in both doggy and missionary style and she was reasonably tight. I did not try anal. However, I was having problems. Here I was with this hot girl who's pussy, even with a condom, felt great and I could not cum. HJ, both her and me just could not get it done. I believe that the cause is taking Cialis and Viagra together just before she came. Viagra gives a great stiff hard on and I had that during our time but it also seems to inhibit ejaculation in me, as has been noted by others on this forum who also used Viagra. In any case I gave up on futile attempts to cum so we spend some time cuddling and she whatsapp video a friend of hers in bed with two guys while they could see me and Melissa together. Her friend was so so from the face but I could not see her body. In any case we parted with me having blue balls. Cost was 200+20 for Uber. She said that the 150 price in the ad was an expired promotion.

After she left, I decided I needed some professional help, as in a Tantric Lingam massage. So I went to RJ massage on Copa and explained to the reception I wanted the gal with the best hands. To get to RJ you enter the shopping center, go down the escalator one floor and take the elevators up to the 11th. She hooked me up with Mel, a fairly cute black woman with a larger than I prefer ass, some decent tits, and short, VERY SEXY Afro hair. I would say a 7 but I did not see her naked and lighting was dim, so might be worse or better. The gal did some light massaging for about 20 minutes and then on the flip lightly at first, started on my dick and balls. Overall it really felt good to great but despite her best efforts, could not get me to cum. This was getting frustrating. A year ago in Tijuana I sessioned twice per day a lot and while a few times it took extra effort on the girls part, I was able to cum every time. Now I can't seem to cum once. I am still suspecting the Viagra and the extra strong dose of Cialis. I took. Normally I only take half a pill but I took an entire one that day. In any case, after we gave up she suggested the idea she comes to may apartment next day in a more relaxed setting to try again and I agreed. She really did try her best and I very much enjoyed it frustrating as it was. So, I am hoping that second time it works and we might do more than just lingam massage and find out if she has any decent blowjob skills. Cost was 200 + 30 tip. Afterwards, I did some local bar hopping and then to bed.

[QUOTE=CageMonkey;2242866]Monday: I was determined to get my phone and tablet on local cell SIM's. Since I had good TIM service (that Verizon was roaming through)

I believe that the cause is taking Cialis and Viagra together just before she came.[/QUOTE]You're taking Cialis and Viagra together?! Wow! That's dangerous and NOT recommended! Take the 36 HR Cialis, towards the end of the 36 hrs, take the V as a booster. Taking them together could give you the last boner of your life, resulting in amputation. YIKES!! It's called priapism, Google it.

As to the cellphone, if you're going to keep traveling internationally, TMobile is your best bet, no roaming charges: included in the package is unlimited data, (I usually get 3 or 4 G depending on the country,) unlimited text and local calling at $0. 25 per minute. Call US number for free via wifi calling. Only time I get a sim card (for data,) is if the hotel or apartment Wifi sucks.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2243041]You're taking Cialis and Viagra together?! Wow! That's dangerous and NOT recommended! Take the 36 HR Cialis, towards the end of the 36 hrs, take the V as a booster. Taking them together could give you the last boner of your life, resulting in amputation.[/QUOTE]Not to mention a heart attack. SMDH

I've been looking at Gpguia and ForumX etc, comparing addresses to my own list. It's always help to keep updated on which privées that have closed or moved. It was a nice surprise to read on the local forums that several new privées have opened in Ed Central on RB156. Other buildings, like Av Treze de Maio 47, have lost the majority of their privées. In the case of TDM47 is was no surprise, this year they wanted all the visitors to the building to show ID and register. Prices seems to be the same as in the beginning of this year. Some of the better privées have raised their prices with R$10 and some others have even lowered their prices. It looks very promising.

CageMonkey — first thanks for the great report. I love to see the detailed reports (and I do the same) rather than complaining about price or how it used to be. Let us fuck in today's world at today's price and not regret a single moment!

But really my point was about cumming so many times. The honest truth is that many of us use Viagra not because we need it to perform in a natural way. Like once a day. But to perform in an unnatural way — like 5 times in 10 hours (see my recent Artemis FKK report). The V just gets you able to fuck more — and honestly is better for the girl than having to straight up blow you for an hour — I don't know that it particularly retards cumming. I don't believe for me it does. I think I was able to do significantly more with the V than without.

It just adds up over a lot of sessions. By my ninth session in three days the tank was running dry and it just is what it is. And trying to turn around sessions too quick back to back is the same way.

For me one of the key tricks is to get the girl to go SLOW and work in some alternate teasing. They all seem to think that jacking you hard and fast leads to the fastest result and this may be true on round one but not on round 4 or 5. By then my dick becomes a bit numb and jacking hard and fast is not the solution. If I can get her to go slow and ball lick and ice cream cone lick the shaft intermittently with some good full mouth on action that is the ticket for me. Of course YMMV.

Learned everything I know from this site. Went to 4 by4 at 3 pm. Entrance 2 drinks and 1/2 hour session $71 us. Lady was attractive dishwater blonde small tits olive skin and very athletic firm body with a large sinsative clit. Good 1/2 hour with shower in room.

Went to Monte Carlo at midnight. Entrance 3 drinks 1 hour session shower in room $211 us. Attractive white skin lade with black hair aver size tits soft body but very attentive and loved to kiss. I am not a young guy but had the right amount of viagra and liquor. This girl gave great service for the solid hour only break was was a quick recovery from the first climax. She never stopped working it. Has been whatsapping me since. Her name is Renata.

2nd day tried 583 room 303. Terrible dirty place are $150. Not good for me. Left. Then went to room 401 Envy massage. 3 girls available are $150 1/2 hour are $200 hour. Tried the hour weak massage no BBBJ. Cute young dark skinned girl always smiling. She enjoyed the sex or faked it good.

If I have more adventures I will report.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2243368]But really my point was about cumming so many times. The honest truth is that many of us use Viagra not because we need it to perform in a natural way. Like once a day. But to perform in an unnatural way like 5 times in 10 hours (see my recent Artemis FKK report). The V just gets you able to fuck more and honestly is better for the girl than having to straight up blow you for an hour I don't know that it particularly retards cumming. I don't believe for me it does. I think I was able to do significantly more with the V than without.
[/QUOTE]Steve, I wish. I've been limited to twice a day, spaced out over the day for some years now.

[QUOTE=Duke69;2243369]Learned everything I know from this site. Went to 4 by4 at 3 pm. Entrance 2 drinks and 1/2 hour session $71 us. Lady was attractive dishwater blonde small tits olive skin and very athletic firm body with a large sinsative clit. Good 1/2 hour with shower in room. Snip.[/QUOTE]Are you sure it was 1/2 hour, and not 40 minutes? 4x4 never had 1/2 hour sessions before, only 40 minutes and one hour.

Hi guys,

Does anybody knows, if the IBIS Posto 5 is still girlfiendly?

I've been there a year ago and I liked it.

It as very easy to get a girl into my room (no one ask). For example in the Best Western Design Hotel they charged me 30 $ for every new girl.

So I'm going to go to the Ibis again, if it still the same.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2243969]"The InternationalSexGuide is a forum for the open EXCHANGE of information."
The sixth time in Brazil? Maybe it's time to make a report and not just ask about information?[/QUOTE]I was just about to tell him, but fuck that.

[QUOTE=CageMonkey;2242866], headed back to Copa583 since it was the path of least resistance. I ended up with Nubia again. I have to downgrade my rating for her. Her body is really a 6 at best but face, sweetness, and oral skills raise it to 7. This time I was able to use my fingers to get her off. She likes being fingered fucked but even more masturbating her just above the clit. Made her cum twice. I also tried anal with her but it as not good for I could not feel myself going in or out, might as well been fucking mud. In the end, she jacked me off somewhat in her mouth. These girls know when your cumming and can dodge a bullet like supergal. Cost again 150+50 for anal +20 tip. After we finished I walked back towards home but ate and drank some at a bar close to me and then off to bed.

d.[/QUOTE]I am really enjoying your report but I have one question for you. Why are you tipping in 583? Are the girls specifically asking you for tips or are you doing it on your own. If you are doing it on your own, could you please stop. The Brazilians don't give tips, so don't spoil the girls into thinking that all gringos will give tips. Thats exactly what happened in 4 x4 and now EVERYBODY that works there is asking for tips every time an American walks into the place.

Other than that, good writing.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2244069]I am really enjoying your report but I have one question for you. Why are you tipping in 583? Are the girls specifically asking you for tips or are you doing it on your own. If you are doing it on your own, could you please stop. The Brazilians don't give tips, so don't spoil the girls into thinking that all gringos will give tips. Thats exactly what happened in 4 x4 and now EVERYBODY that works there is asking for tips every time an American walks into the place.

Other than that, good writing.[/QUOTE]FuckAfMedDig, a legend on this forum as far as I am concerned, noted that tipping the girls before service often led to better service, like a BBBJ instead of covered, CIM or even swallow, instead of on the body, anal for no extra charge, etc. So, for a few dollars more, you might get extra service and a girl more likely to want to be with you when not working, which BTW, has worked as you shall see.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2243368]CageMonkey first thanks for the great report. I love to see the detailed reports (and I do the same) rather than complaining about price or how it used to be. Let us fuck in today's world at today's price and not regret a single moment!

But really my point was about cumming so many times. The honest truth is that many of us use Viagra not because we need it to perform in a natural way. Like once a day. But to perform in an unnatural way like 5 times in 10 hours (see my recent Artemis FKK report). The V just gets you able to fuck more and honestly is better for the girl than having to straight up blow you for an hour I don't know that it particularly retards cumming. I don't believe for me it does. I think I was able to do significantly more with the V than without.

It just adds up over a lot of sessions. By my ninth session in three days the tank was running dry and it just is what it is. And trying to turn around sessions too quick back to back is the same way.

For me one of the key tricks is to get the girl to go SLOW and work in some alternate teasing. They all seem to think that jacking you hard and fast leads to the fastest result and this may be true on round one but not on round 4 or 5. By then my dick becomes a bit numb and jacking hard and fast is not the solution. If I can get her to go slow and ball lick and ice cream cone lick the shaft intermittently with some good full mouth on action that is the ticket for me. Of course YMMV.[/QUOTE]I discovered I had an issue with erections 20 some years ago when I spent two weeks with a drop dead, sexy, Russian woman when we did a road trip from Chicago, to Kansas, Colorado, Yellowstone park, and back. The issue was if I have to stop and put on a condom then maintaining an erection is almost impossible. She did not like giving oral sex either which did not help. A year latter, we spent two weeks in Greece, and through the magic of Viagra, no problems. She also had a thing for public sex, but that is another story. However, since then, even through I may not have any physical impairments for an erection, in my mind I have no confidence whatsoever. Only a lady with real good hands give me a hard on and make me cum, I know of one lady able to do that back in the States.

But you are correct, I need a woman who can coax a hard on with hands and mouth. Slow is better than fast to be sure. Not all girls can, indeed, most don't have the patience. I have been actively seeking out older women (hot through!) in hopes of that magic lady. However, even young girls, if they are new to the business, can do the trick if they listen and follow instructions. Last year in Tijuana I spent most of my time with a six foot tall 18 year old who had only started two weeks prior my meeting. I was able to teach her what and how I liked things and everything went well. In any case, I had another session with Melissa and pretty much firmed that I will have better luck with older, wiser girls.

Wednesday:

I misunderstood when Mel would be able to come to me. Apparently she had a massage class to teach in the morning and then would have time between the end of the class and starting work at RJ to visit with me for a private session. So, that did not work out for when I was thinking she was a no show, Melissa whatapp me with an offer of $260 for two hours. At the time I was looking at escorts and was just about to contact some so she contacted me at a perfect moment. At first I thought it was her and with that friend I saw on video the day before but after reading it again with my brain and not dick, realized it was just her. We negotiated a bit back and forth to 300 which included taxi and anal. Not a bad deal for two hours with a pretty hot girl, so I agreed.

She came over as usual, about 30 minutes latter than when she said she would be here. With two hours, we did not spend it all in bed and did some talking, sharing music favorites. For some strange reason she seemed to really like The Dead South song "In Hell I Will Be in Good Company". The Dead South is a bluegrass band with some heavy metal and hip-hop influences. I played it as a joke for her. They have a song called "That Bastard Son" with lyrics that all a man needs is whiskey and dirty working girls which is perfect for many of us punters. After a bit we head to the bed room. One good thing about her is that she is not a clock watcher so I knew that we had plenty of time.

Again I did not ejaculate easy. I was tempted to try anal with her since she has such a fantastic ass but we did not. I really don't know why but I do want too. We did screw on the couch and the couch arm chair which was interesting. She also rode me with me sitting on the couch which is very appealing visually. All felt good for she is pretty tight but alas, my dick is a stubborn little bastard and only once everything perfect before giving me it's reward via intercourse. In the end I had to do self service on her tits with her sitting between my legs and playing with my balls and laying on her side. The problem with Melissa is that she just won't do what I tell her to do for any length of time. She is too young and is used to her hot body doing all the work for her. I can get her hands and stroke perfect for only a few minutes and then she starts doing the jack hammer on me and that won't do it. So, even before the advise given to me by Steve 9696 I knew I had to find a hot older or slower gal. By older I mean starting at 23 years of age and up since any girl in this business saying she is 23 is probably 28 or so.

That was it for sex that day. I had a decent lasagna at the local pizza joint and some bar hopping. The neighborhood on the eastern end of Ipanema street close to the ocean in Copacabana is a great location. The locals frequent these bars in droves to the point you won't be able to get a seat if you come late. Prices are probably somewhere between local and tourist prices, but the quality is good. Vizinhando has a $9. 95 real Caipirinha drink which is the cheapest I have found yet, and tasty. So, after bar hopping off to bed.

Thursday:

I began the day researching and waiting on Melissa to come by since she left her watch in the shower from our previous session. When she finally did show up alas, no thank you sex for keeper her watch safe. While waiting I began looking at escorts starting at 23 or so of age but not costing too much, 200 or less and no father away then Centro, since I don't to play a lot for transportation. In any case this of course, narrowed down my list of girls. Some of the criteria was CIM and anal, which not all girls do. I also looked for a lady who listed massage as one of her skills since that is something my stubborn dick seems to like over anything else. There were still decent number of ladies to choose from and this lady caught my eye: [URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/rio-de-janeiro/capital/estou-aqui-para-fazer-voce-sentir-tjotal-prazer-e-gozar-bem-gostoso-comigo-id-z9ndd[/URL] Her name on the ad was Sol and she has a dirty, sultry look which really appealed to me, along with a nice body and skill set. Now, what also interested me was that I had seen one of those pictures before but not on the escort site but on a massage site. After some research I found her at Deliriooriental massage, but under the name of Lais. While looking at the site I noticed a promotion for $300 reals for two girls for one hour. There are some pretty hot gals there. Hummmm, very interesting. Maybe Lais had decided to quit the massage and go solo so I texted them and found out she would be in a 13:00. Even more interesting. Before I came to Brazil there was a Miuky on the site who looked like she might be real fun in bed and was on my "do" list, so I arranged a twosome with Miuky and Lais at 13:00.

However, this being Brazil, neither Lais or Miuky were available and that the person I had been texting with to make the appointment had made a mistake and of course, not there to to explain. They made me go through the meet and greet thing before telling me this so I did not ask the usual questions about services. So, I told them I was not pleased and was literally walking out the door when Lais shows up, looking nice. So, I went ahead with the threesome with Lais choosing the other girl. The advise from these forums is that it is a good idea to choose one girl and let her choose the other since you don't want two girls uncomfortable with each other or worse, hate each other. I should of spent some time with Lais explaining what I wanted but I did not so the girl Lais chose, Melissa I think, had a lot or restrictions, like no pussy touching, CBJ, limited kissing, and over all a bit of an altitude. However, her body was HOT with completely hairless pussy, white skin, and a fantastic set of bolt on tits. I have decided I like bolt on tits. I don't care they are fake, they sure look great, especially on a skinny girl like Melissa.

Now, the weird thing is they wanted to know how long I was staying and if I would be interested in seeing the two of them after work, all before we began having sex. I believe that Friday being a holiday and the massage place closed may have prompted this. In any case, I was of course, very interested since that was why I was there, to check out Lais without having to pay a taxi fee and for the threesome. I told them I was but that the time was ticking so lets have some fun. Turns out Melissa actually had the better hands and mouth than Lais, although Lais skills were decent. I fucked Melissa a bit doggy style and Lais rode me some while I was playing with Melissa's titties. However, as usual, it was a handjob which finished me off after the second time's up warning with Melissa doing the deed and I exploring Lais's body thoroughly. Melissa did have the better body, being about 20 years old also helped. However, Lais has the better altitude, and I could tell my exploring was turning her on, for she became more passionate as the session drew on. She probably had a nice set of see cup breasts once but time and probably nursing a baby means they sag a little and not very firm. They still hang nicely however and at my age I have learned that altitude is more important than the body. The two girls did do some kissing and mutual breasts touching but most of the time they concentrated on me. Not a bad experience I exchanged whatsapp numbers with Lais, which interesting, are not the same as number as Sol but they are the same girl. I would rate Melissa a 7 overall. She has a close to 9 body, good mouth and hands, but the restrictions were just too many along with her altitude. Lais is probably a 7 body wise, but decent skills and altitude raise her up to an 8. Cost was 300 + 40 tip.

Now, my plan was to head to Monte Carlo that night since Friday was a holiday and, it being the start of a three day weekend, I figured that many girls might take the weekend off to visit family and such. So, I was going to go to MC late since MC was probably closed too on Friday and that the girls would be looking for income tomorrow without being able to do it at MC. Several members have noted that this works well for cheap all nighters, especially since a lot of the girls are from the bad areas of town so sleeping safely in a nice hotel is also appealing. However, Lais was on my mind and as I tried to take a nap I could not help but think of her and Melissa together with me for at least two nights and a day. So, I texted Lais if she would be interested but I did not want the restrictions from Melissa and also anal from Lais. Lais was but Melissa would not respond to Lais texts, which I think means Melissa pussy was still holy ground and I could not despoil it with my fingers, tongue, nor a BBBJ. In the end Lais agreed to come over Friday but not before 21:00 since she had a birthday party to attend too. I wanted her to come after work but she said she had no nice clothes. We agreed on a cost of 400 and no mention of transportation fee. It was in truth higher than I wanted but I went ahead, since if I want to MC I would spend at least that much with no guarantee of an all night session.

After this, more bar hopping my locals, another good meal, some drinks, and listen to a live band. On Atlantic ave on went back the rock and roll bar from before. This time I noted the name and it is an Irish pub called Macaco Caolho. They had an excellent dark amber style Belgium beer on tap called "I can't take it anymore" or something like that. There were also some real nice looking young ladies there but I think they were just regular girls. Some of you younger and better looking chaps might give this place a go. They had a live band but did not have a cover charge. I can't recommend this area of Copacabana high enough. So, after a few drinks, no interests from the ladies, headed back to my apartment.

I decided I wanted some companionship so I contacted Emilly at (21) 98xxxxx80 from [URL]www.photoacompanhantes.com[/URL]. Now, that phone number has at least 8 girls tied to it so I asked who was available and send pictures. They sent two and one was I think Emilly now called Dani with black hair instead of red and another a very unappealing wide arse black woman, at least to me. So I said fine, send Dani since Dani looked pretty nice. Now, the ad said "O valor de are $100,00 reais é no meu local, atendimento fora fica a combinar. " Google translates that as "The amount of $ 100 is in my place, the presence of outside is the same. " But they said the cost was 100 plus 50 for transportation. Now, 50 reals for taxi was quite a bit for them being in Copa and beside, the ad said 100 and not cost difference. So I pointed out what the ad said and told her I would pay 130 and then I received a lecture how they were not for free, they don't haggle, bah, bah, bah. I just said goodbye and deleted the number from contacts. Now, my questions to anyone who reads Portuguese, did Google correctly translate the ad or not? After typing this, I guess than unless the ad states no uber / taxi charge, and there are a few that do, assume a transportation fee so probably my mistake. I might try them again with a different whatsapp number (I can use my tablet) and go to them for I think they are within easy waking distance and 100 for a decent girl is not a bad deal. After this I gave up and off to bed.

Friday: With Lais not coming until 9 tonight, I wanted try another escort. Now, I really want a girl to take my load and swallow it so I created a list of all the girls who did and within my price range. I tried to include only the close ones but girl who responded was Antonella at (21) 9xxxxx63. She was in the north zone but since I suspected the other girls were sleeping (and later confirmed by eventual responses) she was my best bet. She agreed on the prices from her ad plus taxi which I knew was going to costs some but I wanted some early sex to have time to recharge for Lais tonight so I said come and she said about 30/40 minutes. An hour and 15 minutes she does not show so I text her and ask where she was and she said Centro. Great I think, about 30 minutes since it being a holiday, traffic had to be light. Over an hour latter, still no show and I text her again. She sent an audio message so I had to tell her I did not speak Portuguese. So she responds and she says she has not left yet and the price was now 1 h 250 2 h 330. Do I told her to stay and not come. Frustrating. I suspect that she agreed to come to me since I was the only customer she had but as she was getting ready to come to me, had other business close at hand and when she found out I was a foreigner, wanted more money. Obviously, not recommended. Irritated, I went ahead and tried another girl, a hot blond for 200. She said she was not in town and that the price was actually 250 plus uber. Now, if her photos were correct, she was worth the 250. I told her to contact me when she was back in town and we would see about getting together.

I decided that early morning sex, or late morning by then, was not going to happen so spent the day playing computer games, reading, and another good meal at the pizza restaurant. Laiis showed up at about 8:30 which was pleasing since it may be the first time in history a Brazilian call girl showed up 30 minutes early. She was looking hot an a sexy short dress but not too short proclaim to the world "I am a call girl". We went to the local bosso nova bar which had live music which of course, was not bosso nova but rock playing Lynard Skynard, Pink Floyd, and Rolling Stones, all doing a pretty go job considering I am sure they don't speak English. We had some bites and drinks and Lais so like the sweet dipping sauce for the fried cheese cubes (In the states, these would be called fried cheese curds) that she bought a jar from them and I was I was impressed she did not ask for me to pay for it. After this back to my apartment.

The sex was good but again, I was not able to cum. I was able to get her off orally when I found out she really likes being fingered fucked hard during oral on her. If her oral and hand skills were better then it might have worked on me. I was able to get her to use her hands in ways I liked but by that point, my dick needed a rest from the constant attention. So, we went to sleep.

Saturday morning: In the morning, I found out she is one of those annoying gals who have to brush their teeth and shower before coming back to bed for sex. After she did that (and I also brushed my teeth since I knew it would please her) we had round two. Now, one good thing about being with a girl for more than once is that the sex tends to get better, which it did. She ended up sitting between my legs and really going over my dick with her hands all the while looking at me with a devilish smile on her face that I was putty in her hands and she was going to make me cum because it pleased her, which I did. So happy, I showed and she suggested going to Cristo Redentor.

While she was getting ready she informed me she would have to buy shoes since she had no walking shoes, only high heels and flip fops. Fine I said and I began research on getting to Cristo Redentor and found out her plan to take uber their was not going to work since you have to buy tickets in advance. So I said lets go to the beach and she says, sorry, no swimsuit. So, I paid her the 400 (no taxi fee!) and we went to get something to eat. While eating she says she wants to stay with me for the weekend as a girlfriend, not escort. I did some cheapskate calculations and figured even with food and drinks, I was probably going to come out ahead money wise so I agreed as long as she knew I was heading to the Blue Agave in Ipanema on Sunday (not the one close to me which does not open till late) to watch my Chiefs play. She agreed and became more interested when she learned there would be margarita's there. That shows I got good taste in women as far as I am concerned. She wanted to head back home to get her shoes and swimsuit so I agreed and we will meet back latter today, which is where we are now in my trip reports. I told her when she asked what I was going to do today I told her I was going to walk the beach some, not writing up trip reports on ISG. So, now I have to walk the beach, take a selfie so she knows I did do what I said I was going to do, and then go eat something lite. More on today in a few days.

I don't know CageMonkey or anyone else on this board. Here are some things to try if you have difficulty ejaculating which can be caused by decreased penis sensitivity:

1. Stop watching porn for a month. (Porn desensitizes the brain to the presence of hot pussy. Mental desensitization).

2. Don't touch yourself for a month. (Physical desensitization).

3. Rub acetyl-L-carnitine and Vitamin E ointment on your penis as often as possible. (Reverse physical desensitization).

It works for me and I start firing off my gun a lot easier. I never thought about it much when I was young because I could go at it for quite a long time, but now I don't have the same stamina to go at it for a long time and still finish.

It's funny, but I would read things and totally relate. I would be with hot chicks who would fuck me and give head. They would get impatient if I asked them to do something for a long time. I find most hot babes give average blow jobs, but they are told how great they are at giving head by stupid men. They are so used to men ejaculating because they simple showed up.

Did somebody go to Centaurus recently? How does the things going on there?

Thank you.

DC.

[QUOTE=DrClitorius;2244756]Did somebody go to Centaurus recently? How does the things going on there?

Thank you.

DC.[/QUOTE]When is the best time to go to Big see?

[QUOTE=Dave1111;2242084]I really do hope he doesn't become a dictator. That would be terrible and that's not what people want[/QUOTE]I hope Bolsonario becomes a dictator, a benevolent one for decades to fix this Brazilian mess.

Democracy has always been a mask of the banking dictatorship.

Ordem e Progresso!

[QUOTE=Sperto;2243340]I've been looking at Gpguia and ForumX etc, comparing addresses to my own list. It's always help to keep updated on which prives that have closed or moved. It was a nice surprise to read on the local forums that several new prives have opened in Ed Central on RB156. Other buildings, like Av Treze de Maio 47, have lost the majority of their prives. In the case of TDM47 is was no surprise, this year they wanted all the visitors to the building to show ID and register. Prices seems to be the same as in the beginning of this year. Some of the better prives have raised their prices with R$10 and some others have even lowered their prices. It looks very promising.[/QUOTE]I read your post about showing I. The. At TDM47 This is a shocker for me, because during the months of June, July, and August, nit once did I encounter that scenario. Either was lucky, or that came about just recently. Thanks for the heads up.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2240612] I was robbed myself in Copacabana around 2 AM on a Friday night and that was not a nice experience. Three guys came out of nowhere and I had no chance and they took my backpack and one of ther guys hit me hard right in my head. You don't want an experience like that, so don't take your safety for granted and stay safe![/QUOTE]Rule 1 in Brazil: don't walk in the streets with a backpack (or a watch, or a neck chain).

Rule 2 in Brazil: don't walk the streets at night (especially alone).

[QUOTE=DrClitorius;2244756]Did somebody go to Centaurus recently? How does the things going on there?

Thank you.

DC.[/QUOTE]Right now I'm in Brazil. It is my last day so I will give you guys a full detail report. But I can tell you about Centaurus. I have been going to Brazil since 2010, and This year was my first time going there. I can tell you its a upscale termas but the quality is way below 4 x 4 and the price is ridiculous. If you have money to burn go to Centaurus, Most of the girls are harden pros, As soon as you walk in. You have girls trying to push you to go upstairs to the room. I have been mongering a long time and the first rule when going to a termas is never pick the first girl that comes to you. They are usually wack and they do not get customers, which is the reason why there so pushy and hungry to go upstairs to make money. I will have more details on my full trip report.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2244735]I

1. Stop watching porn for a month. (Porn desensitizes the brain to the presence of hot pussy. Mental desensitization).

2. Don't touch yourself for a month. (Physical desensitization).

3. Rub acetyl-L-carnitine and Vitamin E ointment on your penis as often as possible. (Reverse physical desensitization).

It works for me and I start firing off my gun a lot easier. I never thought about it much when I was young because I could go at it for quite a long time, but now I don't have the same stamina to go at it for a long time and still finish.[/QUOTE]Good advice. I'll try it. It's a problem many of us have as we get older.

However, an important factor too is lower testosterone levels as we age. It doesn't just impact our erections, it impacts penile sensitivity and longevity as well. Obviously there are pharmaceutical methods of dealing with this, but there are also natural methods to boost your T that have a lot to do with serious lifestyle changes. Factors that erode our body's production of T over time are not enough quality sleep, stress, lack of exercise, bad diet, being overweight, smoking and excess drinking. All the usual things that plague men's health also erode your T levels. Cutting back on sugar to reduce belly fat is important, as that particular pocket of fat is destructive to testosterone levels. Lifting weights regularly and focusing on certain nutrients will increase your T. Consider how we lived differently when we were young, and how we developed bad habits as we got older while our Testosterone levels naturally slope off and its throwing gas on the fire.

[QUOTE=Mangera;2244893]I read your post about showing I. The. At TDM47 This is a shocker for me, because during the months of June, July, and August, nit once did I encounter that scenario. Either was lucky, or that came about just recently. Thanks for the heads up.[/QUOTE]Showing ID and register when entering TDM47 happened to me in January. There were a long line of people waiting to register and showing ID. That was really weird because there are always lots of people entering that building. I didn't try to enter another day as I never fancied any of the privées in TDM47. I find TDM33 much better (even though the building has different blocos and the elevators are located in three different places).

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2244735]I don't know CageMonkey or anyone else on this board. Here are some things to try if you have difficulty ejaculating which can be caused by decreased penis sensitivity:

1. Stop watching porn for a month. (Porn desensitizes the brain to the presence of hot pussy. Mental desensitization).

....................[/QUOTE]Are you sure about this? Watching porn makes me want to have sex more. Not watching porn will cause me to have less sex.

[QUOTE=CageMonkey;2244260]We negotiated a bit back and forth to 300 which included taxi and anal. Not a bad deal for two hours with a pretty hot girl, so I agreed.[/QUOTE]How do you negotiate 300 reais with a person you have never seen? Maybe that is why I haven't done much "blind" P4P. If she comes and looks different or there is something off about her like her teeth are fucked up or breath is bad or it is not the same person then what? Maybe 100 reais I could do something blind, but for 300 I would have to have the person in front of my face to check out first. And then to pay for something that you didn't partake in. Or did she lower the price back since you didn't do anal?

[QUOTE=CageMonkey;2244260]I began research on getting to Cristo Redentor and found out her plan to take uber their was not going to work since you have to buy tickets in advance.[/QUOTE]I have been up there 4 times and never had to buy tickets in advance. You just go to the ticket booth and buy for the next car available. You might have to wait an hour or whatever, but you don't have to buy before you get there. I think it was like 75 reais when I went October last year.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2244918]Are you sure about this? Watching porn makes me want to have sex more. Not watching porn will cause me to have less sex.[/QUOTE]The science is just developing. As with anything with the brain YMMV. I find that I get very horny if I don't watch porn for a few weeks. Let's face it if you are on your laptop, access to porn is just a couple clicks away. Some developing science suggests that searching through clips and looking at dozens of dozens women fucking on film desensitizes us. We need hotter and hotter women that meet our particular tastes to get excited. '.

If one has issues ejaculating, it's worth a shot (pun intended).

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;2244899]Right now I'm in Brazil. It is my last day so I will give you guys a full detail report. But I can tell you about Centaurus. I have been going to Brazil since 2010, and This year was my first time going there. I can tell you its a upscale termas but the quality is way below 4 x 4 and the price is ridiculous. If you have money to burn go to Centaurus, Most of the girls are harden pros, As soon as you walk in. You have girls trying to push you to go upstairs to the room. I have been mongering a long time and the first rule when going to a termas is never pick the first girl that comes to you. They are usually wack and they do not get customers, which is the reason why there so pushy and hungry to go upstairs to make money. I will have more details on my full trip report.[/QUOTE]So there's not high level girls unfortunately (I ever found out 2/3 gems in the past). Anyway, I have to visit 4 X 4 and Solarium.

Thank you for your answer!

DC.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2244932]How do you negotiate 300 reais with a person you have never seen? Maybe that is why I haven't done much "blind" P4P. If she comes and looks different or there is something off about her like her teeth are fucked up or breath is bad or it is not the same person then what? [/QUOTE]I've used many escorts through the years and if I'm staying in an apartment or hotel I usually wait for them in the lobby if it's at night or outside in front of the building during the day. When they show up I introduce myself and if they're not to my liking I tell them sorry but you're not my type and usually give them taxi fare to go back home. Works all the time no issues.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2244953]I have been up there 4 times and never had to buy tickets in advance. You just go to the ticket booth and buy for the next car available. You might have to wait an hour or whatever, but you don't have to buy before you get there. I think it was like 75 reais when I went October last year.[/QUOTE]On the weekends during holidays or high season I have seen the wait up to 8 hours. People who had reservations made online walked right on to the cable car as they arrived. Best time to go is during the week or early in the morning. Recently when I went with a group I hired a driver to drive me to the top and wait for me, it's more cost effective with a car load.

[QUOTE=RioBob;2245067]On the weekends during holidays or high season I have seen the wait up to 8 hours. People who had reservations made online walked right on to the cable car as they arrived. Best time to go is during the week or early in the morning. Recently when I went with a group I hired a driver to drive me to the top and wait for me, it's more cost effective with a car load.[/QUOTE]The first 3 times I went the driver took us to the top. Last time the Uber just dumped us out at the cable cars at the bottom, so I figured they no longer drove up to the top. Could have saved my girlfriend 150 reais!

[QUOTE=Lievre;2244896]Rule 1 in Brazil: don't walk in the streets with a backpack (or a watch, or a neck chain).

Rule 2 in Brazil: don't walk the streets at night (especially alone).[/QUOTE]That's a bit broad generalization about being out at night. Most of being safe in Brazil depends on where and when. First, it gets dark around 18:00 local all year. Many bars and even restaurants don't open open till after that. You have to go out at night or just be a shut-in. I have been out at night to quite late, even walking the streets. But I am in Copa and am sticking to larger, busy streets with people around. Now, maybe those same streets at 2 or 3 in the morning might not be safe. As usual, use common sense, stay in public areas, walk fast like you know were your going, and like you stated, don't have anything that looks valuable on your person.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2244932]How do you negotiate 300 reais with a person you have never seen? Maybe that is why I haven't done much "blind" P4P. If she comes and looks different or there is something off about her like her teeth are fucked up or breath is bad or it is not the same person then what? Maybe 100 reais I could do something blind, but for 300 I would have to have the person in front of my face to check out first. And then to pay for something that you didn't partake in. Or did she lower the price back since you didn't do anal?[/QUOTE]No, from my previous report I had already been with her and knew what I was getting.

Well, I am pleased to report (with more detail latter) that yesterday I spent time with two lovely ladies of Brazil. On the first, a good ole fucking did the job and latter, the same day about 7 hours latter, in a 69 CIM position. I was, and still am, quite pleased! As for the reason, who knows? But I can think of several.

1. Switching to Cialis only, but with full 20 MG rather than usual 1/2 dose with some 1/4 dose (25 MG) of Viagra. Note, I have also tried Viagra only and that did not help. I think the full strength Cialis, while not quite giving me the raging hard on of Viagra, works better than 1/2 of Cialis as far as hardness without the inhibition effect of Viagra.

2. Sex begets sex. Being in Brazil, and seeing a different lady or two every day helps get the hormones flowing. The primal urge to be the alpha male and spawn your offspring, or something like that. I don't know but I am feeling more "randy" now than I did after my first day here.

3. Natural body cycles. I know that as I have aged, my desire for sex, while always there, waxes and wanes over the year without any apparent reason. Sometimes, I really want to screw just about any reasonable and think of sex a lot, and at other times, quite content to read a book and sex is not on my mind at all. Point 2 here may have also kicked this off. All I know is that I know my wallet is going to suffer greatly this last week for my little head is taking over.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2244904]However, an important factor too is lower testosterone levels as we age. It doesn't just impact our erections, it impacts penile sensitivity and longevity as well. Obviously there are pharmaceutical methods of dealing with this, but there are also natural methods to boost your T that have a lot to do with serious lifestyle changes. Factors that erode our body's production of T over time are not enough quality sleep, stress, lack of exercise, bad diet, being overweight, smoking and excess drinking. All the usual things that plague men's health also erode your T levels. Cutting back on sugar to reduce belly fat is important, as that particular pocket of fat is destructive to testosterone levels. Lifting weights regularly and focusing on certain nutrients will increase your T. Consider how we lived differently when we were young, and how we developed bad habits as we got older while our Testosterone levels naturally slope off and its throwing gas on the fire.[/QUOTE]Yes, all this is true. From what I understand, historic Testosterone levels are dropping across the age spectrum. So when your doctor says your T level is normal, you might want to challenge him on whether that was normal 20-30 years ago for your age bracket. (Sad, that our young men have 30% lower T than previous generations. There are some theories out there that don't meet our politically correct standards so they are not discussed.).

[QUOTE=CageMonkey;2245350]That's a bit broad generalization about being out at night. Most of being safe in Brazil depends on where and when.[/QUOTE]Of course it is. Anything on the topic of safety in an urban environment is a broad generalization. There will always be one yahoo who walked around Rio wasted out of his mind without encountering any trouble.

As a general in a Brazilian city, take a taxi or Uber to get from point to point even if it looks like an easy walk at a reasonable time of night. There are a lot, lot more muggings than the USA. While generally muggers want your money and stuff, a confrontation can easily escalate.

There is absolutely no reason to walk around Rio with a backpack, expensive watch or necklace.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2245498]There is absolutely no reason to walk around Rio with a backpack[/QUOTE]So what am I supposed to carry my condoms, lube, babywipes, charging cable, water bottle, hot sauce, sheet if I go to VM, etc in? Don't think I have ever been around Rio without a backpack in 17 years.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2245497]Yes, all this is true. From what I understand, historic Testosterone levels are dropping across the age spectrum. So when your doctor says your T level is normal, you might want to challenge him on whether that was normal 20-30 years ago for your age bracket. (Sad, that our young men have 30% lower T than previous generations. There are some theories out there that don't meet our politically correct standards so they are not discussed.).[/QUOTE]So does anyone have any experience they want to share about boosting testosterone through medical or other means? Assuming I could get a doctor to diagnose me with low T (probably not too hard, especially outside the US), there are hormone shots. Reports I've seen make it seem like just the thing to address these issues. Just like steroids really do make you a better athlete. But the idea of using a hormone for a 'recreational' purpose is weird. Then there the long term health issues but if using T works as good as they say, would getting PC 10 years earlier be worth it? Not an easy choice.

Hi everyone,

Long time US hobbyist now thinking about Brazil. I used the search feature and couldn't find my answer. Has anyone seen Isabel Voerman in Rio? She's an independent with her own website. I would post a link but the guidelines says not to.

Thanks.

Saturday, Part II.

I kept waiting for Lasis to show up and after awhile, she said she had to stay home, and that she could come tomorrow. I was disappointed but whatever, this is par for the course in dealing with ladies in their profession. So, not much else other than to report I was mistaken about the crowds on the street. I think every Sunday a huge crowd of maybe 200+ mostly young hipsters gather there. There are two bars to serve drinks and food and they also bring their own in coolers. Cars are able to get through but they have slowly push there way thru but luckily, it is a one way street. A LOT of nice, hot, and not always with boyfriends girls attend so this might be a good place to come if you can converse with them. The police even showed up for a hour keeping an eye on things but they were content to do just that.

Sunday:

That day being when but US and Brazil adjusted their clocks but in opposite directions, I found that Brazil being 2 hours ahead was now 4 hours ahead of me, which is great for I tend to get up early and go to bed early and now I can do that and still be, relative to Brazil, up late at night. I texted Lais and after a back and forth, she agreed to come see me Monday evening and stay util Tuesday morning. But now she was complaining about travel expenses, rent due, etc, the usual. So we agreed on 400 again without travel which after I agreed to, and I immediately began to have reservations about. I was as usual, falling in the a pattern of finding a girl who I am comfortable with and spending most of my time on her. I wanted to break this unless the lady was truly fantastic, like my amazon Tijuana girl from last year. After the negotiations, off to Ipanema where I watched my KC Chiefs once again win with some of the most exciting American football this year.

Since I was in Ipanema I figured I would find a girl there and with my tablet I began research while keeping an eye on the game. Selection is more limited in Ipanema and the hottest girls I wanted to meet was now answering. I ended up chatting with this lady Jujuba: [URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/rio-de-janeiro/capital/barra-da-tijuca/amores-sou-uma-escort-baianinha-que-chegou-de-viagem-realizo-fetiches-e-fa%C3%A7o-inversao-id-7b7y7[/URL] Now, if you search Ipanema you will find her but if you search Barra the Tijuca, she does not show up. So I agreed to visit her only to find out she is not local but in Barra the Tijuca. In her add her location is listed at Barra the Tijuca but the search engine only finds her in Ipanema. So, be wary when using the search engine, look at her location at the top, not where the engine finds them. In any case, I took an Uber to her modern apartment complex.

Now, I chose Jujuba because her ass on one of those pictures was a thing of wonder. Their were other pictures too of her ass which did not look nearly so sexy. But as I have noted, Brazilians emphasis their ass to look as wide as possible for the locals and I have found in reality most butts are not as wide as they looked. Unfortunately, her but was wide and not as shapely as one of those photos suggests. Most of the photos are hers except of the one with the green forage background with an ass to drool over, even to a more narrow, normal butt man like myself. Once I arrived I was pleased to learn she spoke good English and since it was a long way their, might as well stay.

I did not try anal and stuck with oral and hand jobs. I did like her breasts however. She asked me if I thought they were natural or not. I spent quite a bit of time feeling them and determined that they were mostly natural, with just a bit of Silicone injected to firm them up. She said I was correct and latter, I self served myself over that find pair and came all over them. One interesting thing to note is that she works with an agency that has up to five people answering her texts, and some are men. So all those endearments you send are not private and no doubt the staff gets a lot of enjoyment of the stupid things we text to these ladies. Overall, I would recommend Jujuba. Body, 6.5 unless you like them a bit thick. Altitude, 9. She was charming, attentive, and a good kisser. Note that I was going to have to pay her 10 r in change since all I had were big bills and she said not to and don't worry about. Not a clock watcher. Skills 6. BJ and HJ average to a bit better than average. Did not try fucking or anal. Cost 150, usual price is 160. Probably won't repeat but I might hire her to go sight seeing. If you like a bit thicker ladies you could do a lot worse than Jujuba, especially of you don't speak Portuguese but do English.

After returning home I took a nap but woke up restless. I considered my options and decided I had to check out MABS. There have been some wildly different reports on it in these forums with differing views so I had to check it out. I arrived there about midnight local. In my opinion, everything written about MABS is correct in that they all have some truth in them. There were ladys, and ladyboys of every shape and size, from a few "girls" which should only be approached in a hazmat suit, to a couple of near stunners. The whole gauntlet of body types, dress, and looks was there. I took a seat in the middle, got a beer, and sat back to watch. The hottest girls, and there were a few hot ones, were mostly already taken with exception of one young, tall, thin (with the usual not so good looking, thick friend) who would not make eye contact with me. One lady, short, busty and I say mid 40's sat with me until I could brush her off. I made did mention another lady over and as I was looking at her in the better light where I was sitting, realized that she was not as good looking as I suspected and the paranoid in me thought her fingers were too long, as in ladyboy long. I asked her a price and she said 300 so I told her no and used that as an excuse to brush her off. I was also noticing that as the evening worn on, more ladies and some better looking ones were showing up too. Later I asked my waiter if the woman I was talking too was indeed a woman and he just laughed, saying who can tell.

Finally, wanting to head home, I mentioned over the best of the selection, with the exception of the tall goldigger, to sit with me. Rossana is slender, or medium height, and nice looking. We negotiated for 200, down from 300, and off to my apartment. She was fairly hot, small but firm breasts, nice ass, and gave an wonderful blow job, best yet and best since the legendary Pat in Pattaya. Alas, I was not able to climax but damm came close and it was wonderful but after 1/2 an hour I was starting to go soft so I wanted a break and snuggle and then give it a second chance, she said time to leave. Turns out I had not set a time and being a MABS girl, took that as an excuse. She could tell I was not happy in the end, agreed on r100 for time spent and she did not (or forgot too) ask for taxi money. I did get her number and I will, after a lawyer proof contract, meet with her again for her oral was wonderful. A bit blue balled, went to bed.

Monday:

Lais was to to come over tonight but I was having second thoughts after thinking it over, decided to call it off saying I was tired and not feeling up to it. The truth is that while she is sexy, nice personality, reasonable skills, etc, she was just not turning me on enough and I needed more variety. Also, she said she wanted to be my girlfriend but then wanted to be paid as an escort. She was also not going to show up till late that night and I did not want to wait that long before having sex. So, after cancelling I went looking and made an appointment with a hot, young blond. Now, I did not expect the lady from the add, which has now been deleted, to match. But if she came close to reasonably the pictures, was worth the risk. Her location was a large apartment building at Barata Ribeiro n194. This is were the working class live I suspect, for not near as nice as my building and it was run down some. With caution, I got her apartment number. Interesting, she texted me one number, quickly deleted it, then sent me another number. That is the one I went to and now I know what is Privie, is. The apartment was converted into a small maze of bedrooms and we went to hers. This was sleaze and I was kinda liking it. Now, the light was dim and the lady I was with did reasonable the pics from the add if you added 10 plus years of baking in the sun, drug use maybe, and lots of tattoos. She did have a bra on that looked to be a perfect match to one in the pictures so the ad might be correct but I doubt it. Still, Mel as I found our her name, was decent looking false blond, fairly slim, and a real nice, firm, perfect handful breasts. I decided to stay. She gave a real good blow job, not as good as Rossana from the night before but good enough to get and keep me hard, which most girls can't. We fucked for awhile doggy and it was good but I began to go a bit soft so I had her BJ and fondle me again to stiffen me and we tried again but this time in missionary. I had her close her legs while fucking her. This position is called the closed missionary or mermaid position. It does not allow as deep a penetration (good for fucking girls with too tight pussies) but it feels tighter for the man. Once in the position and fucking, scoot forward an inch or two while fucking. This does not do much for you but for the woman it can feel great, since there is more pressure on her G-Spot. In this position I felt a climax building and this time, with a toe curling orgasm, came. Mel: Body 8, altitude, 6, skills 7. 5. She is worth repeating. I really liked her breasts, natural yet firm and nicely shaped.

After this, ate, showed, killed some time and went to Copa a bit past 6 for a threesome but with a limited selection I left and contacted this yet another Melissa, who I knew was close by. [URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/rio-de-janeiro/capital/copacabana/linda-escort-um-par-de-olhos-verdes-e-linda-corpo-e-rosto-maravilhoso-para-delirio-de-voces-id-xt3pe[/URL] I asked if I could see her right away and the answer was yes. Melissa was the girl from previous reports who I called thin with big breasts. When I met her, I realized that this was my first time with a girl who photos do not match the girl hardly at all, for her breasts were small yet firm. She was also very short. I don't know why but I stayed. She had a room set aside for customers with a hard sofa, some type of sex couch or BDSM device, and a stool. After a shower we had sex which was pretty good. She gave a great BJ, maybe even better than Rossana but not as much stamina. We tried cowgirl, doggy, and missionary but my pole was flagging so she went back to oral on me. In the end, we switched to 69 and a combination of oral and HJ I came in her mouth. All in all, good sex and I was very pleased I was able to climax without self service twice on one day. After this, head back, ate, and then bed. While writing this I made an appointed with Lais at the massage place to placate her and in the meanwhile, my first, thin young Melissa is texting me wanting to know what I am doing. I love Brazil!

Hoes are funny as shit!

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[QUOTE=CageMonkey;2245687]I kept waiting for Lasis to show up and after awhile, she said she had to stay home, and that she could come tomorrow. I was disappointed but whatever,

I texted Lais and after a back and forth, she agreed to come see me Monday evening and stay util Tuesday morning. But now she was complaining about travel expenses, rent due, etc, the usual. So we agreed on 400 again without travel which after I agreed to, and I immediately began to have reservations about. I was as usual, falling in the a pattern of finding a girl who I am comfortable with and spending most of my time on her.

Monday:

Lais was to to come over tonight but I was having second thoughts after thinking it over, decided to call it off saying I was tired and not feeling up to it. The truth is that while she is sexy, nice personality, reasonable skills, etc, she was just not turning me on enough and I needed more variety. Also, she said she wanted to be my girlfriend but then wanted to be paid as an escort. She was also not going to show up till late that night and I did not want to wait that long before having sex.[/QUOTE]Man stop catering to hoes. Of course she wants to be your girlfriend (codeword: the only hooker servicing you) with you shelling out dosh like that and you following behind her like a puppy dog letting her make her own schedule. When you are hungry you go to McDonald's to spend your money to eat when YOU are ready. McDonald's don't come to you to collect your money and tell you when they are going to allow you to eat. If hoes are not ready when you are ready to fuck or do not show up on time then block and delete them. You wouldn't accept that kind of bullshit from someone that was coming to work on your air conditioning or plumbing. Why accept it from hoes?

That is one good thing about casas, you know those broads are there and ready to make some money and you also know exactly how much it will cost. All this agreeing on 400 and paying for biches to get back and forth to work is some bullshit. Most hoes are better for sticking and moving, catching and releasing. Save that getting comfortable and repeat stuff for normal chicks.

LOL. Complaining about rent due. Ya think? If you show your ass up to work on time then you would have rent money. Hoes are hoes because they are lazy and ain't trying to go to a normal job where they have to actually work. Even with hoeing this broad is too lazy to do even that. LOL. She said she had to stay home. 400 fucking reais? That broad should have been at your doorstep before you hung up the phone! And got the nerve to complain to you that soon she won't have a home to stay in because rent ain't paid. I see why! Cause you even too lazy to go get easy money. SMDH.

If a broad tells you she will be there in 1 hour you tell her to be there in 45 minutes or don't bother showing up. Learn to cut those broads off if they are not moving to the beat of YOUR drum. I don't even wait around for non-pros. I will be damn if I wait around for a hooker. She will fuck around and waste a trip by not being on time with me.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2245519]So what am I supposed to carry my condoms, lube, babywipes, charging cable, water bottle, hot sauce, sheet if I go to VM, etc in? [/QUOTE]My first trip to VM, the bed was frighting and I wish I had a sheet! I stood up during sex.

[QUOTE=TomJackin;2245908]My first trip to VM, the bed was frighting and I wish I had a sheet! I stood up during sex.[/QUOTE]Looking to that photo and wondering what makes a man go to this sh...hole, lay to this sh...hole and fuck a cheap low class girl there? Is it lack of self respect, just to fuck for cheap regardless of who and where or both (most likely)?

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[QUOTE=Traveller44;2245914]Looking to that photo and wondering what makes a man go to this sh...hole, lay to this sh...hole and fuck a cheap low class girl there? Is it lack of self respect, just to fuck for cheap regardless of who and where or both (most likely)?[/QUOTE]First off, you don't know jack shit about me and my travels. I explore the high end places and the low end places for the experiences. I also post solid trip reports on every city / country that I explore so others can choose where they want to go and where they would not want to go. Go in the ROD section to read my full TR on Rio.

By the way, try posting some of your own trip reports instead of your useless postings.

[QUOTE=Traveller44;2245914]Looking to that photo and wondering what makes a man go to this sh...hole, lay to this sh...hole and fuck a cheap low class girl there? Is it lack of self respect, just to fuck for cheap regardless of who and where or both (most likely)?[/QUOTE]A cheap low class girl? Versus an expensive high class girl? One that charges more? The scenery may not be appealing, but you must realize that pussy is pussy and pussy is mobile.

Me and a wingman were in front of Help when a taxi pulled up and 2 fine chicks got out. We started talking to them and they said they were just coming from work. I asked where they worked and they said Vila Mimosa. As has been reported here many times a lot if guys were paying chicks from Help 300 reais. Back then I think VM was like 30 reais. Same pussy cost 10 times more in one place than it did the other.

Anyway we took the chicks back to the penthouse for a festinha that included switching and gave them 100 reais when they left the next day. Had they reached the inside of Help, you would not have known the difference and given them 300.

[QUOTE=TomJackin;2245921]First off, you don't know jack shit about me and my travels. I explore the high end places and the low end places for the experiences. I also post solid trip reports on every city / country that I explore so others can choose where they want to go and where they would not want to go. Go in the ROD section to read my full TR on Rio.

By the way, try posting some of your own trip reports instead of your useless postings.[/QUOTE]This picture tells more about you than a thousand words in your trip reports. Also the girls who have a self respect, do not fuck in those kind of rooms.

I do not make trips for sex, I do girls where I am. Clubmodels type around the world and sometimes few SP clinicas (in Brazil only). I am sure you do have a audience for your trip reports but after this photo, I am not bothering to search any your report. No offense, just a fact.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2245922]A cheap low class girl? Versus an expensive high class girl? One that charges more? The scenery may not be appealing, but you must realize that pussy is pussy and pussy is mobile.

Me and a wingman were in front of Help when a taxi pulled up and 2 fine chicks got out. We started talking to them and they said they were just coming from work. I asked where they worked and they said Vila Mimosa. As has been reported here many times a lot if guys were paying chicks from Help 300 reais. Back then I think VM was like 30 reais. Same pussy cost 10 times more in one place than it did the other.

Anyway we took the chicks back to the penthouse for a festinha that included switching and gave them 100 reais when they left the next day. Had they reached the inside of Help, you would not have known the difference and given them 300.[/QUOTE]A look does matters and you pay for look mainly. Which for you is high, for many others is cheap. I choose always a quality instead of quantity. Therefore I prefer private models, knowing that they do respect herself and do not go those kind (as in photo) places. Off the topic: Same about taking Vitamins to have a sex numerous times per day just for performance. Never took any kind of those.

[QUOTE=Traveller44;2245951]Therefore I prefer private models, knowing that they do respect herself and do not go those kind (as in photo) places. [/QUOTE]OK, now I understand, putas that sell their ass at a low price have no respect for themselves, BUT putas that sell their ass for a high price have respect for themselves.

It's apparent, you don't have a fucking clue in the real life of putas.

Do you have any high class putas reports? I thought not; please go away. Photos would be nice too.

High class puta in my high class apartment.

No reason to fight about Vila Mimosa. Some like it and others don't. I hope VM will never attract to many gringos as they may spoil the girls by tipping them.

VM is unique. A monger zone with 72 casas and 1500 girls (used to be at least) working. The atmosphere is something extraordinary. Filthy streets, dogs running loose, very loud funk music and lots of funny characters. In VM you can see weird things going on that you won't find in any other place in Brazil.

The majority of the girls/women are not doable. About 10% are doable, and out of these there are always some real gems. I enjoy VM a lot, it's great fun. I like to peek into every casa in search for the gems.

The downside is the filthy cabins and the lack of showers for the clients. Actually some of the 72 casas have decent cabins, even with clean sheets. If you find a special gem you can bring her to the motel, Hotel Canário, 2 minutes walk away.

Nobody enjoys a filthy bed. The girls do bring their own sheets, but this doesn't mean that these sheets are clean. Depending on the positions you can cover the sheets with some of your clothes.

Unfortunately VM has gone downhill. There used to be much more girls working there, and there were also more gems. Now it's harder to find the real quality girls. During many years the price was R$25/session. Gradually the prices have gone up to about R$60. That's not very priceworthy considering there are privées that charges roughly the same price including clean sheets and shower before and after.

[QUOTE=TomJackin;2245908]My first trip to VM, the bed was frighting and I wish I had a sheet! I stood up during sex.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your honest depiction of VM and how frightening it was. For those of us who have never been we appreciate your efforts!

[QUOTE=RioBob;2246178]Thank you for your honest depiction of VM and how frightening it was. For those of us who have never been we appreciate your efforts![/QUOTE]Most of the prives in centro have beds like that one from VM (so what's the difference).

[QUOTE=RioBob;2246178]Thank you for your honest depiction of VM and how frightening it was. For those of us who have never been we appreciate your efforts![/QUOTE]Let me tell you guys, that bed, that room in VM did look awful, LOL.

Trust me I've seen those rooms and run away, LOL.

There are, however, gems to be found there at VM.

And you do not have to enter those type of rooms at VM.

There are a few places in VM itself you can take any girl, with AC, with ok rooms, one place even has a decent shower.

You don't have to use the room at the bar she's hanging out in.

I've done it many times.

You just have to get to know the place, which I've done.

One Tia there who I've gained trust with, allows me to use one of the nicer rooms there at VM, unlimited time, and I pay afterwards.

I've seen many putas from termas work in vm.

I just pay more for termas because I want everything to be set. No time for bullshit. If you pay less. Good for you. Many Brazilians love terma atmosphere even if its more expensive.

I am Brazilian and fuck many Brazilians for free. Last Thursday I picked a terma girl from 4 by 4, we went to lapa at 12:30 to dance when she finished her work. Lapa was good Thursday. (Friday was holiday), I fucked her for free. Her name is Bruna 19 years old, petite brunette, slim, morena.

In the Brazilian culture, you have to do things at the last moment. Because tomorrow is another day. When you go to a bar, just fuck the girl now instead of picking her number. P.S. I never take girls number, I just give my number. If she doesn't call me like most of them, I don't care, I just hunt for other girls and fuck them on the same day.

[QUOTE=RioBob;2246178]Thank you for your honest depiction of VM and how frightening it was. For those of us who have never been we appreciate your efforts![/QUOTE]VM was not frightening at all. In fact I liked the place. But that damn bed was frightening. During my military career, I spent a good about of time in Subic City in the 80's and VM reminded of that place.

It was my first time in VM and did not know what to expect. But when I saw that chica; I had to have her. She was freaking hot! Did not there were other options for rooms as mentioned by Balboa.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2246511]It appears you do NOT play well with others. Perhaps time to find a mirror and reflect.

Yes, you are in your own League, for sure! Yes, YOU ARE Judging: calling the whole Brazil forum Trash level is judging. You say you have better knowledge but do not share that Knowledge, because we do NOT merit, is also Judging. Nothing useful here for you, then it's time to leave. Don't go away mad, just go away.[/QUOTE]Did I wrote with a exceptions or you just cannot read? Those kind of rooms and apartments are trash level, of course if you live in one of those, it is your home that would need some refurbish and a shower. Seems that dignity has a different meaning to someone. You can call it judging, I called it conclusion for what has been written. Do you ask anyone to leave, who is against your style of mongering or only those who judge this kind of mongering? I am sorry for do not understanding why you do not wash yourself after the sex, laying in that kind (dirty) of bed without or dirty sheets (must be an acrobat), having sex in this surroundings. Sounds like a desperate man way, only cheap price fuck matters. LOL.

[QUOTE]This is hilarious, why can't you behave? You did the same thing in the So Paulo thread, does it seem as people appreciate your reports?[/QUOTE]I cannot behave? Pointing out that those conditions are disgusting!? I could not thought, that hygiene is not important for all those who visit those kind of places nor expected that there are so many fans. LOL.

What I did in SP thread? The issue was different than here. I only pointed out that a complete false information was written and that should not be like this because readers must know a correct information and also write my opinion about classification of clinicas. No one has proved that I was wrong when corrected that false information. But someone got from that whatever feeling he got. What is more important, information or reports? Here you exchange information and write reports or just do one of those, I either write the information or correct it but I cannot stand BS. Cannot do anything that I cannot stand those kind of places, interiors and furniture and mainly this kind of mongering style. It started on my childhood. LOL.

P. S I saw that Admin has deleted something, you can send a PM if you want to repeat that LOL.

[QUOTE=Traveller44;2246549]Seems that dignity has a different meaning to someone.[/QUOTE]I would think that dignity would be the last word that comes to mind when thinking of a monger or a hooker, no matter how much they are paying or getting paid. She may sell pussy, but she has dignity. If she told her family how she likes to sell pussy, then she is sure to garner respect. See how ridiculous that sounds? How much dignity do you think Stormy Daniels has been seen to have after fucking Donald Trump for 6 figures, which is way more than you are giving your secret batch of hookers.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2246647]I would think that dignity would be the last word that comes to mind when thinking of a monger or a hooker, no matter how much they are paying or getting paid. She may sell pussy, but she has dignity. If she told her family how she likes to sell pussy, then she is sure to garner respect. See how ridiculous that sounds? How much dignity do you think Stormy Daniels has been seen to have after fucking Donald Trump for 6 figures, which is way more than you are giving your secret batch of hookers.[/QUOTE]Mr E,

I respectfully disagree with you on this. I think its perfectly reasonable for prostitutes to have dignity and self worth. It is society that attempts to deny them dignity. IMO they are sex workers, just as porn actors are sex workers. Both groups are about the only remaining groups that are not yet given any respect. Every other group has now achieved some degree of respect, gays, minorities, transgenders, etc. But its still OK to disrespect sex workers? I think that is wrong. I think sex workers should be respected and allowed to have dignity like any other profession. Its not their fault that they are denied respect, its the fault of the rest of society that has antiquated ideas about sexuality and sexual freedom.

Unlike Traveller I do not blame the women who work in VM for the conditions there. They are desperate women, or new to the business. I don't like the place, but I don't disrespect those that work there or those that go there. I am glad that more and more GPS are moving online and working free lance. This allows them to control their work environment more and be more independent. It can work out better for both clients and providers.

In my experience, most of the GPS I have met in Brazil have as much or more dignity than most of the people I know in other professions. They are students, or single mothers or daughters caring for elderly parents. I know several that have bought homes for their parents and or other family members, or paid for the tuition of their siblings with the money they make. Many of them are better people than I, and I venture better than many on this board.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2246647]I would think that dignity would be the last word that comes to mind when thinking of a monger or a hooker, no matter how much they are paying or getting paid. She may sell pussy, but she has dignity. If she told her family how she likes to sell pussy, then she is sure to garner respect. See how ridiculous that sounds? How much dignity do you think Stormy Daniels has been seen to have after fucking Donald Trump for 6 figures, which is way more than you are giving your secret batch of hookers.[/QUOTE]These "dignity & respect" tricks. SMDH!

The topic of these conversations bore me.

Let's talk about mongering scenes. Brothels, price, women, quality, atmosphere, performance and monger-relate information.

Enjoy your sexual life and put the dignity behind you that normal people believe in. Just have sex before it's too late and enjoy all your fantasies. You never know what will happens tomorrow. You might be prostateless or worse " dead" Enjoy the current moment.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2246647]I would think that dignity would be the last word that comes to mind when thinking of a monger or a hooker, no matter how much they are paying or getting paid. She may sell pussy, but she has dignity. If she told her family how she likes to sell pussy, then she is sure to garner respect. See how ridiculous that sounds? How much dignity do you think Stormy Daniels has been seen to have after fucking Donald Trump for 6 figures, which is way more than you are giving your secret batch of hookers.[/QUOTE]Did they fuck in the same kind of VM room as posted without shower and on that kind of mattress? Dignity is not only with whom you do it but where you do it. The girls who got paid more put those money to their health and beauty (wellness) and the results are visible. To where a R25-60 girls put them and what is the result? Of course you do not care and probably you not should because what matters to you. Is only to where empty your balls with the cheapest price.

I have got feedback from SP and RJ threads that" we will silence him", "go away"stop"useless". That too shows the "trash" level. If you cannot accept other opinions or do not stand behind your opinion or do not write any examples of verify your writings, writing a lies in other thread for bragging purposes then with whom I am deal with? I have not asked anyone to be silenced or stop or go away. In the forum is not only my opinion and never will.

Been walking around downtown all day bullshitting around. It keeps raining here and there. In 17 years this was my first time going to those steps over at Lapa. Been to Lapa plenty of times, just never seen the steps.

Checked out 81 and was about to head to 13 and 15 when a dike gave me a prive paper. She then decided to take me to it. The chick that came to the door and introduced herself first I would have done had I not been so sweaty and had energy. I guess we would have had to do it standing up because that massage table didn't look worth a shit. Anyway, when I told them I didn't want to fuck they cursed me out while putting me out.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2246653]Unlike Traveller I do not blame the women who work in VM for the conditions there.[/QUOTE]Could you point out where I blamed women working there instead of asking about dignity of men to have a sex in facility of this condition? Focus on facts but not on BS, you have been wrote it enough in SP forum.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2246653]Unlike Traveller I do not blame the women who work in VM for the conditions there. They are desperate women, or new to the business. I don't like the place, but I don't disrespect those that work there or those that go there.[/QUOTE]You, Sir, are more enlightened than That Other Guy.

[QUOTE=Traveller44;2246549]Did I wrote with a exceptions or you just cannot read? Those kind of rooms and apartments are trash level, of course if you live in one of those, it is your home that would need some refurbish and a shower. Seems that dignity has a different meaning to someone. You can call it judging, I called it conclusion for what has been written. Do you ask anyone to leave, who is against your style of mongering or only those who judge this kind of mongering? I am sorry for do not understanding why you do not wash yourself after the sex, laying in that kind (dirty) of bed without or dirty sheets (must be an acrobat), having sex in this surroundings. Sounds like a desperate man way, only cheap price fuck matters. LOL.[/QUOTE]You're not contributing anything, just BS. And frankly, you're boring MongerForSex, LOL.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2246653]I think its perfectly reasonable for prostitutes to have dignity and self worth. It is society that attempts to deny them dignity...Unlike Traveller I do not blame the women who work in VM for the conditions there. They are desperate women, or new to the business.[/QUOTE]You hit the nail on the head. This is the same as T44 trying to deny other mongers the dignity that they are entitled to because they fucked in a place that he would not. I do not see myself as the one who gives out the dignity passes, but it seems that T44 and other members of society have been charged with this task.

I will say that you are incorrect about the women there being desperate or new to the business. As I reported before, some of the same chicks that used to be at Help, would be at VM before going there. Also there was a book put out some years ago on VM. Sperto or someone mentioned it on the board back then. I bought the book. Some of those chicks have been working there 20 years.

[QUOTE=Traveller44;2246705]Could you point out where I blamed women working there instead of asking about dignity of men to have a sex in facility of this condition?[/QUOTE]I would not say blame, but if you consider a guy that goes there and fucks for 5 minutes as having no dignity, then it stands to reason there is no modicum of hope in the dignity department for the lady that goes there to fuck all day everyday.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2247013]You're not contributing anything, just BS. And frankly, you're boring MongerForSex, LOL.[/QUOTE]For those, whose favorite or affordable car is old dirty and rusty Ford Fiesta, a Bentley ride is not achievable. And now all VM fans, back to sweating and do not forget take your Vitamins. Another ride in paradise, enjoy it! LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2247039]You hit the nail on the head. This is the same as T44 trying to deny other mongers the dignity that they are entitled to because they fucked in a place that he would not. I do not see myself as the one who gives out the dignity passes, but it seems that T44 and other members of society have been charged with this task.[/QUOTE]How can I deny something that some mongers (VM fans) do not have at all? Going those kind of places proves that. Do you really think that I am only one who thinks that way? Read: hygiene=dignity, surroundings=dignity. Cannot accept the reality? Do not expect that everybody cheer to you because you paid R25-60 for sex or accept your way of living.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2247039]I would not say blame, but if you consider a guy that goes there and fucks for 5 minutes as having no dignity, then it stands to reason there is no modicum of hope in the dignity department for the lady that goes there to fuck all day everyday.[/QUOTE]The guys HAVE a choice and can avoid those kind of places, the women working there DO not because they DO need at least some money, selling themselves for pennies.

[QUOTE=Traveller44;2247047]The guys HAVE a choice and can avoid those kind of places, the women working there DO not because they DO need at least some money, selling themselves for pennies.[/QUOTE]Are you freaking trolling me now? EVERYONE has a choice. You can't tell me that the millions of women that live in Rio that do not sell pussy have all the choices available in the history of the world, the thousands that do sell pussy (but not in VM) have somewhat of a choice, and the hundreds that sell pussy in VM have no choice at all. Get the fuck out of here with that BS.

Selling themselves for pennies? The man just told you the other day that now VM costs just as much as some of those downtown office building prives these days. Hell I just posted yesterday the damn flyer where the prive was 50 reais whereas they are going to ask 60 in VM.

And speaking of choices AND VM, me and another board member have CHOSEN to go to VM in a couple of hours if anyone cares to join us. We promise to leave our dignity back at our hotels.

[QUOTE=Traveller44;2246705]Could you point out where I blamed women working there instead of asking about dignity of men to have a sex in facility of this condition? Focus on facts but not on BS, you have been wrote it enough in SP forum.[/QUOTE]You keep saying that other people are not reading properly. How is it that you have this problem repeatedly on this site? It has less to do with your opinions than with your style. You may consider style as "BS", but in writing style is 50% or more of the message. Maybe when so many people read your posts as you did not intend then the problem is in the writing not the reading. You repeatedly insult other forum members and then try to play the victim, suggesting that we are out to get you, or we cannot handle your opinions. I mean seriously, do you realize how ridiculous that is?

Lets see what you wrote.

"This picture tells more about you than a thousand words in your trip reports. Also the girls who have a self respect, do not fuck in those kind of rooms. "

In another post:

"Therefore I prefer private models, knowing that they do respect herself and do not go those kind (as in photo) places."

I acknowledge that you were primarily criticizing the mongers but you also damned the women, quite clearly. You are stating that the girls that work in these places do not have self respect. Those are your words. I an clearly others interpreted them as derogatory of the girls as well as the men. If you are now claiming that you were not impugning the dignity of the women, then fine, we are in agreement, but that is not what you wrote and that is what I responded to.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;2247039]Some of those chicks have been working there 20 years.[/QUOTE]
Very true. There are some longtimers in VM. They seem to do fine. They have their regular customers and seems to be busy. Also right that several Help-girls used to work at VM.
Many girls find VM a good place to work at. They have the security. The house only charges the room and lets the girls keep the rest. At a privê the house would take about 50% of what you pay the girl.

A goodlooking girl at VM will be very busy and earn a lot. I met a girl at VM I ended up seeing outside VM for freebies. Very beautiful, always happy, full of energy and 18 years old. She quickly became very popular at VM. Once I passed by her casa at VM to chat and looked in the logbook where the girls write their name when going up with a client. That day she had 23 clients. That was back when they charged R$25 (R$20 to the girl and R$5 to the house). She had made R$460 in less than a day. She only worked 2 months in VM and then went back to her village in the interior to study.

[QUOTE=Traveller44;2247044]How can I deny something that some mongers (VM fans) do not have at all? Going those kind of places proves that. Do you really think that I am only one who thinks that way? Read: hygiene=dignity, surroundings=dignity. Cannot accept the reality? Do not expect that everybody cheer to you because you paid R25-60 for sex or accept your way of living.[/QUOTE]90% of the population of the Western World would argue that you, Traveller 44, have no "dignity" by even considering sex with a prostitute, regardless of her surroundings and hygiene. There is no room for judgmental attitudes and comments among us hobbyists, as we are the ones who are eternally being judged because of our private choices and personal preferences.

I wish the Help is still open and no one of the gringos would ever made to vm.

On my very first trip I went to vm by myself with zero Portuguese.

And most of the hot women who worked there at the same time they also worked in zona zul (help balcony Mabs etc).

The funny thing was when I met them in zona sul they would always told me don't to tell the other gringos that they work at vm.

They charged 150-300 reais in zona sul and 20-27 at vm.

Now days when I go to vm I go only to hang out and to remember the good old days who will never return again.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2247053]Are you freaking trolling me now? EVERYONE has a choice. You can't tell me that the millions of women that live in Rio that do not sell pussy have all the choices available in the history of the world, the thousands that do sell pussy (but not in VM) have somewhat of a choice, and the hundreds that sell pussy in VM have no choice at all. Get the fuck out of here with that BS.

Selling themselves for pennies? The man just told you the other day that now VM costs just as much as some of those downtown office building prives these days. Hell I just posted yesterday the damn flyer where the prive was 50 reais whereas they are going to ask 60 in VM.

And speaking of choices AND VM, me and another board member have CHOSEN to go to VM in a couple of hours if anyone cares to join us. We promise to leave our dignity back at our hotels.[/QUOTE]They (VM women) need to get the money from somewhere, right? They would do any other job if paid same amount as they earn today. Those who charge more, do have a choice. For a price, for a face control, for a hygiene and they will follow it, because their clients are from other level of society. R60 is pennies, at least for me, for you it seems like a lot, even for a pussy LOL. I CHOSE today go with a barely legal R200 girl, although I would not ask anybody to join me. After that I will go to Starbucks for a drink LOL. How you can left something back that you do not have!? LOL.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2247062]Very true. There are some longtimers in VM. They seem to do fine. They have their regular customers and seems to be busy. Also right that several Help-girls used to work at VM.
Many girls find VM a good place to work at. They have the security. The house only charges the room and lets the girls keep the rest. At a priv the house would take about 50% of what you pay the girl.

A goodlooking girl at VM will be very busy and earn a lot. I met a girl at VM I ended up seeing outside VM for freebies. Very beautiful, always happy, full of energy and 18 years old. She quickly became very popular at VM. Once I passed by her casa at VM to chat and looked in the logbook where the girls write their name when going up with a client. That day she had 23 clients. That was back when they charged R$25 (R$20 to the girl and R$5 to the house). She had made R$460 in less than a day. She only worked 2 months in VM and then went back to her village in the interior to study.[/QUOTE]Yeah, girl with a 23 clients per day. What a happy girl, full of energy in the evening! She should give a queue numbers so the clients know theirs.

Arrived today from Bogota imigration don't have any queue so it takes 10-15 minutes leave airport take uber for 56 real to copacabana ibis posto 2 hotel. Hotel is quiet nice for 140 real per night book in advance before. Arrived 8 am morning to hotel but they told me check in just 12 pm so drop my bag at reception and go look around, walk at the beach and everywhere around copacabana it was nice walk in a shade of high rise buildings At 10 am (they opening times) I go visit copa 583. Was first costumer here. The reception girl speak good english, she invite me to sit at separate room with tv, air condition, coffe machine and nice interior. After 1 minutes girls start to come one by one introduce themself and give kiss at cheek or shake hand and said their name. It was just opening times so they have 5 or 6 girls I like just one of all her name was sabrina 21 year old. So I choose her. I comeback for the counter pay 120 real for 40 minutes and go at room with girl. The room was nice, everything clean, big shower, big bed, massage table. I take a shower after lie on bed and girl make some massage for me after BBBJ follows after she put condom and ride on me for a while I change position to doggy style and try to squize my dick to her ass she said 40 real for anal so I stop. Fuck her pussy doggy style till cum. Ask her to make some pic of her but she refuse only give her whatsapp. When I was leaving she ask for a tip but I told her next time and left. Was not so bad expierence for my first brasilian pussy.

[QUOTE=Traveller44;2247081]Yeah, girl with a 23 clients per day. What a happy girl, full of energy in the evening! She should give a queue numbers so the clients know theirs.[/QUOTE]Only the last (23) client is happier than her.

Maybe I should put my Note 9 away and bring out my S7. Too dangerous around here!

[QUOTE=Traveller44;2247081]Yeah, girl with a 23 clients per day. What a happy girl, full of energy in the evening! She should give a queue numbers so the clients know theirs.[/QUOTE]
TV44, stop being bitter, widen your safe zone and you might enjoy your life more.
Yes, I was amazed how a girl could be so happy and full of energy after getting stuffed by 23 d*cks. It might be that some casas have queue numbers but I havn't seen it.
I recall another girl at VM that was an absolutely stunner. Propably one of the top ten beautiful GPs I've seen in Brazil. I quickly went to pick her. She told me I had to sit down on a bench and wait. There were already 5 guys waiting on the bench. I passed. Instead I arrived the next day at 16 hs and waited for her arrival and became the first customer fo the day. :)

VM is fun, always amusing things happening. The most excitement I had at VM was when a girl brought me to a "suite". No luxury, just a kingsize bed, a TV showing novela and filthy sheets of course. During the act the electric cable to the ventilator caught fire. The fire spread quickly in the room. The girl run out, I grabbed my shoes and clothes and left the room. The power failed in the house and everything became pitch dark. A crowd run upstairs and extinguished the fire. I was standing in the narrow cabin corridor waiting for the chaos to calm down. Suddenly I felt a hand in the dark grabbing my dick. It was the old toothless woman running the casa that grabbed my dick firmly and gritted out loud that the gringo still had an erection. They gave us another cabin, the light came back on and we had our session. When I returned downstairs everybody wanted to offer me beer and laughed about "churrasco do gringo".

I remember the old days. On more than one occasion I noticed the same gal asking for 30 Reals for a session in VM suddenly go to guys apartments for 500 Reals. I didn't tell on them, but damn! All they needed to find was "The One", and there were plenty of noobs who fell for the trick hook, line and sinker. She was not the only one either. They used VM to earn the entry fee which was 33 Reals or so back in 2008 or so, they go get the big fish later in the night.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2247062] Also right that several Help-girls used to work at VM.
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A lot of talk about how shitty VM is.
Below a couple of samples of VM-girls.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=69708&d=1177569360[/URL]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=53565&d=1159017429[/URL]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=69810&d=1177679812[/URL]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=53556&d=1159017385[/URL]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=53912&d=1159508307[/URL]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=53557&d=1159017393[/URL]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=53564&d=1159017429[/URL]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=53566&d=1159017429[/URL]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=219425&d=1427441043[/URL]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=95593&d=1211107776[/URL]
Finally some VM b*tches.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=70167&d=1178276945[/URL]

[QUOTE=Sperto;2247136]A lot of talk about how shitty VM is.
Below a couple of samples of VM-girls.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=69708&d=1177569360[/URL]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=53565&d=1159017429[/URL]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=69810&d=1177679812[/URL]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=53556&d=1159017385[/URL]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=53912&d=1159508307[/URL]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=53557&d=1159017393[/URL]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=53564&d=1159017429[/URL]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=53566&d=1159017429[/URL]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=219425&d=1427441043[/URL]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=95593&d=1211107776[/URL]
Finally some VM b*tches.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=70167&d=1178276945[/URL][/QUOTE]Some nice chocolate ones in there, sem silicone.

No pic of the toothless mamasan that grabbed your junk? Haha, that was great story.

[QUOTE=Traveller44;2247079]They (VM women) need to get the money from somewhere, right? They would do any other job if paid same amount as they earn today.[/QUOTE]No they would not. As I have pointed out before, the reason that most hookers are hookers is because they are just fucking lazy. They are not trying to have a job where they have to actually work.

In the Pattaya thread the other day FL Hawk wrote about a chick he met in Thailand last year. Her excuse for being a hooker was that her mom was sick with cancer or whatever and her sister died leaving her to bear all the burden. The other day he saw the chick in the same place he met her 1 year ago. She said her mom had died. Okay. So what excuse did she have now for being a hooker? And I must point out again thay Thailand has one of the lowest unemployment rates in the world.

As we sit here in VM I pointed out to Pokeris what I mean. These lazy ass broads don't want to do shit else but fuck for money. The one chick didn't even know the price of the beer. I asked how do you work here and you don't know the price? She said I am just here to fuck. Chicks in here too lazy to go get their own food and cocaine. They keep making this guy go out and do shit while they sit here on their asses.

[QUOTE=Pokeris;2247086]Arrived today from Bogota imigration don't have any queue so it takes 10-15 minutes leave airport take uber for 56 real to copacabana ibis posto 2 hotel. Hotel is quiet nice for 140 real per night book in advance before. Arrived 8 am morning to hotel but they told me check in just 12 pm so drop my bag at reception and go look around, walk at the beach and everywhere around copacabana it was nice walk in a shade of high rise buildings At 10 am (they opening times) I go visit copa 583. Was first costumer here. The reception girl speak good english, she invite me to sit at separate room with tv, air condition, coffe machine and nice interior. After 1 minutes girls start to come one by one introduce themself and give kiss at cheek or shake hand and said their name. It was just opening times so they have 5 or 6 girls I like just one of all her name was sabrina 21 year old. So I choose her. I comeback for the counter pay 120 real for 40 minutes and go at room with girl. The room was nice, everything clean, big shower, big bed, massage table. I take a shower after lie on bed and girl make some massage for me after BBBJ follows after she put condom and ride on me for a while I change position to doggy style and try to squize my dick to her ass she said 40 real for anal so I stop. Fuck her pussy doggy style till cum. Ask her to make some pic of her but she refuse only give her whatsapp. When I was leaving she ask for a tip but I told her next time and left. Was not so bad expierence for my first brasilian pussy.[/QUOTE]That's the most interesting report I read today. Keep up the good work.

Friday, I went to 502 at 8 pm. New in 502 after 10 fucks you get one free fuck.

You can ask Patricia for fedilidade cartao. She is the manager of 502. The card is valid for 2 months.

Price: 150 reais 30 minutes - 200 reais 1 HR.

Meet other forum member mr enternational at copacabana take bus to vm together. Arrived around 2 pm was not so busy time but have some nice girls already. Walk around little bit I saw white girl with great looking ass offer her 50 real for 30 minutes she want 60 but I negotiate down to 50 anyway. We go upstairs to very small room it was filthy, the girl carry clean sheet with her and put it on the bed. She want suck with condom at first but quickly accept BBBJ. Suck for a while after jump on me and ride but I could come, so I take off the condom and she start suck again till I cum into her mounth pull it out and cum on her face little bit. She spit everything to the bin on the floors. Its was fun. I walk outside meet mr enternational and go some place to sit and look how life is going on at vila mimosa with great view from the bar upstairs. Some girls is walking with naked breast some showing pussy its nice looking around. At the bar I saw other black girl I like I offered her 50 real for 30 minutes but she want 60 and not going down. We sit together for a while I grab her everywhere she don't mind touching I said lets go I give you 60 real for 30 minutes. She take me to the rooms behind bar but it was looking horible water on the floor everywhere she said something at portugese for the girl behind a bar and she let us go to the room upstairs it was filthy vila mimosa vip room with big double dirty bed, old fan, 25 years old tv even it has shower. The girl was little black sex machine at first she don't want suck without condom but when start to do it she could stop seems she enjoy it after long sucking she put condom and ride on me hard moaning all the way till get tired herself. We change some positions I want fuck her ass but she refuse. I take a condom off and she start suck again till I cum her into mouth and she swallow it and not stop sucking till my dick get sensitive and I stop her. She allowed to make some pic of her and we comeback at bar. I have great time and enjoy vila mimosa we spend around 3-4 hours here. The place is filthy but have good looking girls I saw at least 4-5 girls which I would like to f. Uck. I bet its at night time even better. I add some rooms pic from vila mimosa.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2236110]Thanks for the info about Terma 2?. I googled but didn't find any info about it and I didn't see it mentioned in GPGuia or ForumX either. Maybe the info is there but I didn't see it. I am wondering of the address but I suppose that the name is hinting that it is in Rua Buenos Aires 2. I have never been there so I will go there to check out the place![/QUOTE][URL]https://forumx.com.br/viewtopic.php?f=152&t=13439&start=42[/URL]

Very small terma.

10 reais (entry with one drink).

[QUOTE=Sperto;2247136]A lot of talk about how shitty VM is.
Below a couple of samples of VM-girls.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=69708&d=1177569360[/URL]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=53565&d=1159017429[/URL]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=69810&d=1177679812[/URL]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=53556&d=1159017385[/URL]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=53912&d=1159508307[/URL]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=53557&d=1159017393[/URL]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=53564&d=1159017429[/URL]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=53566&d=1159017429[/URL]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=219425&d=1427441043[/URL]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=95593&d=1211107776[/URL]
Finally some VM b*tches.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=70167&d=1178276945[/URL][/QUOTE]Thank you for the great photos!

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Party people in the house. You are about to witness something you have never witnessed before. Yes it is Mr Enternational's fresh photos. Straight out of Vila Mimosa. That he took when even Pokeris didn't know he was taking them. So for those that have never been. Here you go!

P. S. Today I realized that they clean the hell out of that place for it to be so dirty.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;2247307]You are about to witness something you have never witnessed before. Yes it is Mr Enternational's fresh photos. Straight out of Vila Mimosa.[/QUOTE]
Well done, such VM photos are very rare considering anybody who takes photos at VM risk getting their ass whipped.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2247307]Party people in the house. You are about to witness something you have never witnessed before. Yes it is Mr Enternational's fresh photos. Straight out of Vila Mimosa.[/QUOTE]You in you habitat, homie. Heheh.

This is my 4th time in 17 years staying at a hotel in Rio. The first time was 2001 with my wife. The 2nd time was last October with my girlfriend. The 3rd was last April when it was just an overnight stay and I didn't expect to get a girl, but did get one from Mabs.

This time I am at the Windsor and when I checked in the lady said I see you made reservation for 2. What is the name of the other person. Well that person ended up not being able to come so I had the chick that I met at Mabs who is in law school come over. 200 reais all night same as last time. She wanted to know if I had a friend for her 19 year old friend. So I made the same 200 real deal for Pokeris but it turned out he was too tired so the friend did not come. I told her not to come in hooker clothes.

You would think that does not need to be said, but I had a time in Manila where a girl showed up with hooker clothes. Funny thing was that she left home with regular clothes and changed to hooker clothes and left her bag with regular clothes somewhere. She actually thought I wanted her to walk around with me with hooker clothes on.

So the chick arrived at midnight last night and she had to fill out more shit than I did when I arrived. And right in front of the girl in true jackazz style, the guy says there is someone else's name on here. Do you want me to take her off and add this person. I am telling you, if this was not a girl that I was paying I would have come across the counter at him.

I met a guy at Mabs the night before last that gave me his contact for apartments. US$45 and they look way better than the US$60 ones Marina was trying to push off on me.

(19 year old friend in the photo).

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2247144]No they would not. As I have pointed out before, the reason that most hookers are hookers is because they are just fucking lazy. They are not trying to have a job where they have to actually work.
.[/QUOTE]Not true in many cases really.

Did you realize that these girls are actually in Brazil reality.

Few jobs available and if so, low pay.

You seem to have a strange love / hate for these working girls. Call them mostly lazy, but you sure love bangin them, LOL.

If they're so lazy cause they don't want to actually do real work, do you wish they weren't working the program?

Are you too fucking lazy that you seek hookers to pay for your sex?

Please don't feed the BS about all your NPs, blah blah, blah, LOL.

You obviously travel a lot, so do I.
Don’t understand why you normally have a tone of dislike or demeaning of these girls in many of your posts.
Odd.

[QUOTE=TomJackin;2247306]Thank you for the great photos!

][/QUOTE]Great VM photos Sperto!

That's the reason I dig that place!

The diamonds like those.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2247655]If they're so lazy cause they don't want to actually do real work, do you wish they weren't working the program?

Are you too fucking lazy that you seek hookers to pay for your sex?

Please don't feed the BS about all your NPs, blah blah, blah, LOL.

You obviously travel a lot, so do I.
Dont understand why you normally have a tone of dislike or demeaning of these girls in many of your posts.
Odd.[/QUOTE]Actually I love hookers, but that does not stop me from telling the truth about them. I love my cousin too, but he is a sorry mf. He had all these kids that he can not afford by several different women. He has not had a job in at least 10 years. That mf owes me $300 from loaning him money to pay for child support when he was about to go to jail 2 years ago. (You think I expected the money back? If I did then I knew better than to even give it to him.) I love him to death and would do anything for him, but that does not blind me from seeing the kind of person he is.

Same as hookers. Just because I enjoy them does not mean I am going to refuse to see the forest because the trees are in the way. Chick that came to see me last night. When I met her in April she was at Mabs. I had talked to her some and she once sent me a picture of her crying her eyes out talking about she didn't have any food. Yesterday she came over and was just as happy as can be and said she no longer goes out to Mabs. I asked her why not. She said that she got a job doing makeup at some store. Ask any hooker when is the last time she even went to look for a regular job. A job is not going to come knocking on the door looking for them.

Hell, I know non-pro chicks in Dominican Republic that have not had a job in the 10 years that I have known them. Don't recall them ever going out to look for one either, although the want ads are full of people seeking workers.

One chick even wanted me to take her to the resort. I said okay search for one and let me know how much it costs. Bih was too lazy to even look for a resort even though she was not going to have to pay for it and she sits in the house all day doing nothing. A couple of years ago I wrote her a letter to take to the US Embassy to try to get a visa. She made every excuse not to do it. Guess fucking what. A couple of days ago she hit me up asking me if I could update the letter. I told her no. I still like fucking her and hanging out with her, but that don't mean she ain't lazy! I have nothing against anyone, but a spade is still a spade.

P. S. Alfa Romeo makes shitty cars. I had one and used to love driving it (when it was not somewhere broken down.)

Get bored daytime was thinking to take a girl from photoacompanhantes website but change my mind and decided to go vila mimosa instead. Walk to copacabana metro station pay 4 real and something for ticket change to another line at estacio ride 1 stop to cristovao station. Walk outside try to check which direction to go but my english sim card internet disaperead and I can't see exactly location on google maps, I lost little bit but after 10-15 minutes walking I found vila mimosa. Go look around at some bars but didint see any girl I like Sunday around 2 pm vm was really quiet. I sit at one bar take some beer and look around how life is going at VM.

I saw the white girl with big round ass and big tits at opposite bar I liked from previous night I walk to her and offer 50 real for 30 minutes she said 60 I try 50 again but she start to moan something in portugese for 30 seconds but I didint understand nothing and said ok 60 vamos! We went to her bar I give 60 to the man behind the counter and girl take clean sheet to put on the bed. We go upstairs to the room. The girl was 24 years old have nice big tattoo on her breast heart stabbed with sword and wings. She start to do BBBJ after put condom jump on me ride for a while we change some positions till I cum.

I go back to previous bar I was sitting order some water and just looking around some funny things happens at vm in 2-3 hours time till I was sitting and drinking. First I saw one guy fingering old hoe on pool table seems he really enjoy doing it. After 1 hour later I saw drunk long hair pank or on drugs walking around and not understand what he is doing later I saw he jump on motorbike which was driving other guy, the pank can't sit on motorbike properly so they both fall down at middle of vm street its good he drives not so fast maybe just 20 km / h so they don't get hurt.

Later I decide to go look around to find other girl for shag. I was walking around at almost all bars which was open but could see any girl I liked I almost was ready goback copacabana but I saw one cute skinny tall black girl sitting on the chair just with bikini. I come to her and touch her ass she look at me and said hola. I said 50 real 30 minutes vamos!! She said 60 amor I try 50 again but it could work so I agree on 60. We go to her bar I pay 60 for a man and we walk to the room upstairs. Girl escort me to the room said wait and something in portugese and disapear. I was waiting her 2-3 minutes but she didint come I thought maybe she is gone so I walk downstairs and want ask already the guy where is the girl? The guy see me and start shout girl name I saw she is runing to me with clean sheet for a bed and said in portugese she was looking for it. We jump on bed she refuse to do BBBJ I don't mind so she carry on with condom. She makes me horny she jump on me and start to ride for a while later we change position to doggy style I fuck her hard she even hit her head to the wall it was funny we have a laugh from it. I could cum so I take condom and she start wank for me and rub my balls on the same time till I cum. I ask her for tissue to clean my dick but she didint have it. She point to her bag and said don't go and run away completely naked downstairs to the bar to take tissue for me and after clean my dick.

I walk outside walk 500-600 metres for bus stop and take bus 455 for 3. 95 real back to copacabana. I make photo of the vila mimosa room upstairs also photo of short time hotel very close to vila mimosa (in case somebody want give a go for vm but don't want use dirty rooms so they can take girl here). Photo of the bus stop which ia going back to copacabana. Can't wait tomorrow to start explore centro prives I am sure it will be better and cleaner than vila mimosa.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2247669]Actually I love hookers, but that does not stop me from telling the truth about them. I love my cousin too, but he is a sorry mf. He had all these kids that he can not afford by several different women. He has not had a job in at least 10 years. That mf owes me $300 from loaning him money to pay for child support when he was about to go to jail 2 years ago. (You think I expected the money back? If I did then I knew better than to even give it to him.) I love him to death and would do anything for him, but that does not blind me from seeing the kind of person he is)[/QUOTE]Ok man, IMO you just described people in general, not hookers per se.

Can be slow, lazy, knuckleheads, whatever.

Anyway, don't want to belabor the point, whatever, you've got your opinion.

I'm chillin in Medellin, Colombia, off to Rio in a couple days.

Going to go see some of those lazy ass hookers in Rio!

LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2245519]So what am I supposed to carry my condoms, lube, babywipes, charging cable, water bottle, hot sauce, sheet if I go to VM, etc in? Don't think I have ever been around Rio without a backpack in 17 years.[/QUOTE]If you look like these guys, the bad guys might just leave you alone.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2247136]A lot of talk about how shitty VM is.
Below a couple of samples of VM-girls.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=69708&d=1177569360[/URL]
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[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=53564&d=1159017429[/URL]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=53566&d=1159017429[/URL]
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[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=95593&d=1211107776[/URL]
Finally some VM b*tches.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=70167&d=1178276945[/URL][/QUOTE]Next time, can you take a photo before you Sperto all over their face? LOL.

Yes, your story of the fire breaking out is a great story to share with us guys.

Hopped on that photoacomp. Saw this 40+ lady that said she was good at licking ass. For 100 reais I couldn't go wrong. The address was Barata Ribeiro 194. She said she would tell me the apartment number when I arrive. I told her that I would be there in 15 minutes.

I walked in and she looked about 80+. It was actually a studio apartment but it had partitions up to split it into 2 bedrooms and a den with a couch and TV. I asked who is in the other room. She said her roommate, but she ran out. I asked if she thought she would want to earn something as well. She said she did not know but I could talk to her when she arrived.

So we went into her partition and my dick was in her mouth before I could say Copacabana. She just kept sucking my dick so I had to ask when does the ass licking start? Afterall, that was the only reason I came. So she started with that then there was a knock on the door. Her roommate was back but evidently she did not have a key. She went to open the door butt ass nekkit.

She came back and closed the partition door or curtain or whatever it was. I told her whoa, I didn't even get to see her. She opened it back and it was a young white chick. So I get to fucking old girl. Then I stopped abruptly. I got up and went in the den to ask her friend if she wanted to earn something. She said no. I asked why not. She said okay give me 200. I said for what, the whole weekend? She said no. For 30 minutes. I said I tell you what. I will give you 100. She said okay.

I went to get my shit out of the old chick's side and went to take a shower. I came back and the other chick took me in to her side. She was a 21 year old with green eyes from Minas Gerais and she gave one hell of a GFE. I don't think she wanted me to stop. But when I did, she saw that gold Magnum condom wrapper. She asked where it was from. I said the United States. She wanted me to give her one as a gift. (I don't know why chicks always want a souvenir Magnum. Do they ask for other brands the same?)

I thought about it and said hell no. You not about to be fucking another dude with my condoms. She said no I just want to keep it. I said okay. No problem. 20 reais! I went and took a shower and came back and did a video call to a wingman back in the States so he could see her. She told him I would not give her the Magnum and he told her 20 reais is a good price for it. This chick started getting ready because she had a party to attend. We traded whatsapps and I left and went up to Mabs. She hit me while I was there asking if I wanted to go to the party with her. I had just ordered some food and it kept raining, so I declined. She said that if I changed my mind, the party would be going on until 4 am.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2247916]
So we went into her partition and my dick was in her mouth before I could say Copacabana. [/QUOTE]ZING! Love this forum. I legit did a spit take just now with my coffee.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2247818]Next time, can you take a photo before you Sperto all over their face? LOL.

Yes, your story of the fire breaking out is a great story to share with us guys.[/QUOTE]Never seen so many ugly hoes at one place.

I lived in Rio during the heyday which for me was 1989-1996 which were the best 7 years of my life. Help was humming and the girls were beautiful at Meia Pataca, the beach, and just all over the place. I have not been back to Rio in 15 years. I feel like a fish out of water and all the friends I had there have either died or left Rio. I feel like a tourist again and not a carioca and it is a bad feeling. Anway I want to go back. Please help me. Are there girl friendly hotels? The last place I stayed at 15 years ago was the green building near Meia Pataca. Where do you find the girls now? How are the termas's and which ones have the best girls? I do like morenas or blacks. My Portuguese is still good and I knew the buses and metro stops like the palm of my hand but it has been such a long time. I feel like a virgin again. I used to live on Cinco de julho in Copacabana, a great spot. But I am sure Rio has changed a lot. Any info would be helpful for me. Thanks.

I decided to check some trash prives which was mentioned before on this forum by sperto. He was right about this place when you walk inside you need stand at least 2-3 minutes till your eyes adjust the dark. I walk inside around 11 am morning 2 top less girls was standing on second floor one have good shape big breast and nice ass and not so bad looking face. When she see me walking she touch my dick and start rub I ask how much 30 minutes she said 60 I told her 50 ok she said 60. I decided check all floors it have 4 of them, but all other floors was empty just one more girl at top floor and loud music play everywhere and same dark. Maybe I come to early or girls was already busy. I walk to the first floor and same girl stop me again I said I give you 50 lets go for 30 minutes, but she said price is 60 I said ok lets go. The rooms its a joke here its like small boxes next to each other with a doors small dirty bed inside and don't have any ceilings it was even worst rooms compare with vila mimosa have. Inside the room (box) the girl ask to pay it was so dark inside I could see numbers on the notes so I open light on my phone and have a look. Girl take money and disapear for 1 minute at least she comeback with towel and put on that dirty bed. Girl name was tais 25 years old. I sit on the towel and she start BBBJ she was really good on it she make me hard I give condom and she put it on my dick with her mouth. I start to fuck her and somebody next to me at other cabin was working hard with girl so all walls was moving I though it will be fun if its will fall down. I was sweating a lot at that small cabin. I change position to doggy style and told for girl anal, she put lubricant in her ass and I squizee my dick in I fu. Ck her hard she was moaning loud all cabin was moving and somebody make big noise at next cabin loud music is playing inside is dark so I get confused I fuck that girl into ass or pussy I take it out and put it again seems it was ass. Later I change position and fuck her pussy but could cum so I take condom off and she start suck ir again and rub my balls she take out my dick from her mouth and start rub it between her big tits I shoot all my load on her neck. Oh I enjoy to fuck that naughty girl. She clean my dick with tissue I take her whatsapp and left. I add the photo how to find a entrance to this place because myself I was walking around for a bit and could find number 24 at first It was behind kiosk. The building with tinted windows.

Rua the carioca 59 trash privee.

It was easy to find just couple of minutes walk from previous privee. I walk inside it has 3 or 4 floors it has some light inside so you can see girls they have just 5-6 girls in total with all floors. I read sperto report before the girls are not good looking here and he was right. I walk for 1 girl and ask how much is for 30 minutes she told me 34 riel I thought I didint understand something with my bad portugese I ask her again to write it on paper next to her she write 34 it makes me smile. I just said obrigado for her and walk upstairs to check other floors at top floor I saw MILF girl maybe 38-40 years old not good looking but I though lets fuck her just for fun I give here 50 real and she bring me 16 change. We go to the simillar cabin like at previous place before she start to BBBJ after put condom I fuck her for 10 minutes but I don't bother to cum I decide to save my cum for better good looking girl. I stop fuck her and told no leche I don't know she understand or not. I dress up and ask her how much is 20 minutes here? She said no 20 minutes 30 minutes-34 real 1 hour is 64 or 68 real I forgot already. So if somebody looking cheapest place at centro here we go. I defenitely not comeback these 2 places I mentioned anymore I like adventures what's why I checked it out.

Praca olavo vilac 13.

Checked this place today its a bar dark inside have 4-5 girls when I was visiting today. Few girls was good looking standing just with bikinis at worth the money they asking.

20 minutes-65 riel 30 minutes-90 riel 1 hour - 150 riel they write all prices on the wall so anybody come inside can see. I have small chat with one girl and just for tmake sure ask here sex is included in price she told me yes. I didint take any gir here.

Praca olavo bilac 15.

Other bar with girls just 10 metres away from previous bar I get business card on the street from some guy and decided to visit I ask him sexo incluido and he said yes, so I walk inside it was 3-4 girls but all with costumers sitting I saw one girl I didint like I just ask the price for 30 min she told me 85 riel if I remember good. I don't take any girl and left. Anyway I will add business card someone if interested can check themselfs.

Bel prazer avenida rio branco 185 sala 2114.

Prices:

1 girl.

20 min-110 riel 2 girls 210 riel.

40 min-130 riel 2 girls 280 riel.

1 hour - 160 riel 2 girls 320 riel.

Opening times weekdays 10.00 am till 19.35 pm.

Saturday: 10.00 am till 15.00 am they said they have 25 girls but when I was visited today I saw just 7 girls I like just 2 of them, probably I come wrong time it was 1. 30 pm the time when offices stuff have break times. The sala is located on 21 floor so I take lift to 20 floor and after take staircases. The girl I choose was 19 years old name camila slim body with perfect belly, very cute face, small firm tits and nice ass. The rooms here is nice have everything you need mirrors on the walls, clean towels, masaage oil, airconditioning, was nice to taking shower at this place after all trash privess. I will add photos so you can see how room is looks like. She make me massage for a while after BBBJ followed put condom and ride on the top till I cum she was looking great so its not takes to long to cum for me after 25 minutes play I was done. I take her whatsapp number take a shower again and left 130 real for 40 minutes was well spend.

I collected some business cards at centro maybe someone interested to check it out.

I hit a few prives today in centro before I went to 4 x4. There was a decent line up at Bel Prazer but I fgot there at the wrong time, around 1 PM an dthe majority of them were busy. After the line up I asked the receptionist if there were any mulattas with big booties, she said there were but they were with other customers. I left and went to Duda Massage at 156 rio branco, sala 3320. Excellent line up and I took an Amazonian named Emily. Very cute with a perfectly round ass, not that big but it was still a nice booty.

Great BBJ and reverse cowboy, she made me bust in like 8 minutes. (World record for me) LOL! We talked for a few minutes after, I have the feeling she would have given me a 2nd shot because I paid for the hour but I wanted to go eat and then hit Praca olavo vilac 13 and then 4 x4. Oddly, Emily would not give me her whatsapp. She said she keeps her private life separate from her work life and nobody knows what she does. She is the first girl in like 5 years who would not give me her cell number, very strange feeling because I was looking forward to having her over to the hotel.

I saw a good 4-5 big booty girls at Praca olavo vilac 13 that I will definitely go back for this week. I hate the facilities upstairs but I will try to get their whatsapp and have them come to the hotel before they start work.

4 x4 was really weak today, not to many girls and I didn't see even one that I wanted to spend 400 R to take upstairs. One of the girls told me that Thursday is a holiday, so I will have to plan accordingly Thursday afternoon because the termas and probably the prives will be closed too.

I get your message I try to text you back but it not going Text me your whatsapp on private message.

Forum X was my favorite site for reading up on all the monger information in Rio. Recently, I noticed that they changed their format, you no longer can read their info, now you have to join and become a member. I just tried to join now, but they are asking for a phone number to send the activation code to, I added my US number but it isn't working. How do you guys in the US and Europe access Forum X if you don't have a rio phone number?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2247916]... Magnum condom wrapper. She asked where it was from. I said the United States. She wanted me to give her one as a gift. (I don't know why chicks always want a souvenir Magnum. Do they ask for other brands the same?[/QUOTE]Yes, the girls ask for other condoms as well. I have my Swedish thin condoms and I am often asked by the girls if they can have one or two condoms from me. They always comment on the packaging of the condom which isn't square like the Brazilian ones. The way each single condom comes is in a rectangular packaging instead of square one. I guess the girls see it as something different and want to have it because of that and also it is a working tool for them.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2248218]Forum X was my favorite site for reading up on all the monger information in Rio. Recently, I noticed that they changed their format, you no longer can read their info, now you have to join and become a member. I just tried to join now, but they are asking for a phone number to send the activation code to, I added my US number but it isn't working. How do you guys in the US and Europe access Forum X if you don't have a rio phone number?[/QUOTE]Interesting question and I am curios to hear the answers from others that might be able to answer. I was in Rio recently and I also tried to register on ForumX but I failed. I did everything the way it was supposed to be done and I even had a Brazilian number but it didn't help and I never got anything sent back to me, like a code for activation. Maybe something is wrong with the site?

Come around 22.00 pm was plenty people already and about 15-20 girls inside sitting at tables and standing around. I order some food with drink and look around in total I saw 2 good looking girls I like, but they was with costumers already sitting and drinking. Most other girls looks like +30-40 years old the one thing I enjoyed at mabs was food finish it and left walk back my hotel.

[QUOTE=Carioca34;2248110]The last place I stayed at 15 years ago was the green building near Meia Pataca.[/QUOTE]
The green building, a Temporada, is still there. Their beds are still as hard as they used to be. In the nineties they charged USD10, now I think they charge about R$160 (interior) and going up if you want a view.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2248209]I hit a few prives today in centro before I went to 4 x4.[/QUOTE]
I couldn't answer your PM because your inbox is full.
Regarding the girl working under the name of "Pony". I'm sorry I can't recall which privê she worked at (it was in January 2017). I only remember it was on Av presidente Vargas.
Good luck.

Monday night 4 by 4.

Entry. Minimum consumption is 60 reais.

I sessioned with Agatha, good performance, BBBJ, CIM and anal sex.

Damage: 250 reais 30 minutes.

There are less women Monday than other days.

[QUOTE=Pokeris;2248249]Come around 22.00 pm was plenty people already and about 15-20 girls inside sitting at tables and standing around. I order some food with drink and look around in total I saw 2 good looking girls I like, but they was with costumers already sitting and drinking. Most other girls looks like +30-40 years old the one thing I enjoyed at mabs was food finish it and left walk back my hotel.[/QUOTE]I was in Mabs one month ago and I think the best time in Mabs is just after midnight, but you are right just few good looking girls in this place.

Arrived early today around 10 am have just couple and half hours till my rocinha favela tour starts.

First prives I checked was all at av. Treze de maio 33 block a.

Vip therapy sala 1007. Girls price 30 min - 120 1 hour-140 riel. Have 3 girls inside I don't like any of them so left.

Carejos do rio sala 1301. I come inside have 2 girls both ugly don't ask the prices and left.

Sexy hot. Sala 1409. Have 3 girls inside not good looking I ask the prices for 30 and 20 minutes she said 70 riel but I don't sure it was for 20 or 30 min.

Imperio relaxante sala 2304 . Have 3 girls one was not so bad I ask the prices she point me on the list with prices on the wall. I make photo of prices will add it on report together with cabin photo. I choose black girl name stefanie. This prive is mix between trash prive and normal cheaper prive. They have cabins also here not a rooms for sex, but at least its looks cleaner, have fan, they give you new towel and have hot shower outside cabins. The girl was good at sex BBBJ folowed after she ride on me till I cum. Cost 60 real for 20 minutes.

After I decided check couple more expensive prives at av rio branco 156.

Julias massagem. Sala 2235 girls price 30 min-140 1 hour - 1700 riel. They show me 3 girls one was so so but defenitely not worth 140 riel for 30 minutes and room here was just with massage table and small shower. So I just left want visit dudas massagem on same building but run of my time and comeback copacabana.

After my rocinha favela tour I comeback at copacabana with metro and decided check copa 583. When I was walking next to the building some girl give me business card with naked girl ass pic on it I ask her is sex incluido she said yes. I ask how much the prices? She said come I show you I walk with her at same building where is copa 583. I said ok thanks I will go alone. She said lets go I show you. I don't want she go with me because it will be her commisions and the price is higher for me. I said I check it on whatsapp and internet website because it has on business card she said no have. I try check address and whatsapp but its really not work. After another guy come to me he speak little bit english and said lets go you can look. I told him I go copa 583 and check his place later because copa 583 have good price. He ask how much I pay at copa 583 I said 40 minutes-120 or 150 - 1 hour. He said go look this place if you don't like can leave to copa 583. I walk with him at lift go up on 3 floor room number 303. The girl open the door it was like a bar inside was playing music dark little bit and some people drink alcohol. I ask the prices for girls they have 4 girls inside. The guy told something in portugese for a lady inside and what I am going to copa 583 and how much I will pay there for a lady and she said for me you can choose the girl here for same price. I look all girls one was cute but I decided go copa 583 instead. I will add business card maybe someone want to give a call them or walk in and find out real prices because whatsapp and website is not working.

Copa 583 I arrived around 17.00 time girl let me in and put inside presentation room this time was a lot of girls here she show me 10 or 11 girls I liked just 2. I choose girl name este 20 or 21 years old with a glasses she was looking sexy like and office girl. I give for a girl behind a counter 150 riel and said 40 minutes she said ok and put money inside I was waiting for a change maybe 10 seconds but she just look at me I told her 120 real not 150 and she give me change back (seems she try scam me) . I went to the room with a girl I take a shower and jump on bed the girl was lying naked on it already she has piercing in her both nipples and nice big tattoo on her big ass. She start BBBJ she was good on it but I thought why my dick is getting cold feeling the same like you have mint sweet in your mouth. I was right she done BBBJ with sweet in her mouth. I get hard a lot and start fuck her doggy style I love her big ass with tattoo so I try to squize it inside her ass but she refuse. After 10 minutes fucking in diffrent positions I take of condom and said blowjob for her she understands and try to blow like a real pro after 3-4 minutes I could hold anymore and cum everything into her mouth. I ask her whatsapp after and want make pic of her but she refused. Anyway she send me her older pic on whatsapp I take a shower and want to leave she start asking me for present for her (tip) I take my phone and on google translator text her what I don't take more money with me and have just money left pay for a taxi home. She said ok and escort me out. I walk back my hotel open whatsapp and photo was deleted already seems she wasnt happy I not tip her but who cares anyway. I will add photo of room in copa 583 and business card of club sex girls. Hopefully someone check it out.

Sperto such a good sport to answer his same question again almost 3 years later.

[QUOTE=Carioca34;1832887]I lived in Rio from 1989-1995, the glory years for mongering. It was the best 6 years of my life. I returned to the states when everything got really expensive when the real got really strong versus the dollar. After returning to the states I would go back 2 or 3 times a year. I was staying in the green building near Meia Pataca and help. The last time I was in Rio was a few months before Help closed. The worst feeling in the world is when you lived in a place and know so many people and then through the years you go back and everybody you know has either passed away or left. I felt like a complete tourist. Now I am thinking of going back and I really know nothing about what is happening now. My first question is what hotels are reasonably priced and girl friendly. Is that green building still a decent place? After Help's demise where do you pick up girls? Are any termas's decent? This really sucks that I feel like a complete newbie again.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sperto;1833081]In the nineties I stayed in the green building many times, while looking for apartments. It was great value and top location. It's still a decent place, but it cost way more than USD10 today.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Carioca34;2248110]I lived in Rio during the heyday which for me was 1989-1996 which were the best 7 years of my life. Help was humming and the girls were beautiful at Meia Pataca, the beach, and just all over the place. I have not been back to Rio in 15 years. I feel like a fish out of water and all the friends I had there have either died or left Rio. I feel like a tourist again and not a carioca and it is a bad feeling. Anway I want to go back. Please help me. Are there girl friendly hotels? The last place I stayed at 15 years ago was the green building near Meia Pataca. Where do you find the girls now? How are the termas's and which ones have the best girls? I do like morenas or blacks. My Portuguese is still good and I knew the buses and metro stops like the palm of my hand but it has been such a long time. I feel like a virgin again. I used to live on Cinco de julho in Copacabana, a great spot. But I am sure Rio has changed a lot. Any info would be helpful for me. Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sperto;2248344]The green building, a Temporada, is still there. Their beds are still as hard as they used to be. In the nineties they charged USD10, now I think they charge about R$160 (interior) and going up if you want a view.[/QUOTE]

Hit Mabis Friday night about 11 after coming from a fuck house. That was the most people that I have ever seen there. Some guys that I was talking to said there were even more at the end of April when they were there last. When I was there April 23 there were only about 5 chick though. That was the night I grabbed the chick that is in law school.

Friday night I saw 2 old Help girls (as seen in fotos.) 2 nights ago I saw the old White Help girl. Prices I heard were from 250 reais for 1 hour to 900 reais for all night. Most of the chicks were dressed like hookers or favela dwellers. Was it like that back in the Terraco days? Either it was not or I was too wrapped up in the scene to notice.

[QUOTE=RioBob;2248705]Sperto such a good sport to answer his same question again almost 3 years later.[/QUOTE]Well if I ever get married and think my wife is cheating on me, I know who to fucking hire. Funny in one post it was 6 years and in another post it was 7 years.

[QUOTE=Pokeris;2248687]First prives I checked was all at av. Treze de maio 33 block a.[/QUOTE]
Pokeris, thanks for your privê-reports. Very appreciated.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2248863]Pokeris, thanks for your priv-reports. Very appreciated.[/QUOTE]You welcome!

Hello,

My first week on Rio ended yesterday, so I'll make the report of my adventures so far.

On Thursday I went to bel prazer massage, the girl I chose was angel, a 21 years old slim lady, his body was far from perfect cause have birth-child marks and little tits, but she has great attitude so the hour went fast. Happy customer but I'll not be back, simply I had more expectations from her.

On Friday I went to thermas 4 x 4, that was crazy. I stayed there from 6 to 22:30 and enjoyed the company of Gabriela, a slim girl with long black hair, nice ass and big silicon tits. The service was very GFE with nice BBBJ and CIM, nice time.

On Monday I went to copa 583, I choose a black girl with curly hair, etche I believe, she has nice body with medium tits and good ass but the attitude was lacking. Not worth the money.

Today I come back to bel prazer, this time I was looking for a blondie, but chose mulatto Camila, 19 year old girl, slim with nice ass and small but beautiful titties and angelic face. Was a nice GFE with BBBJ, and very energetic girl, I'll absolutely come back.

I 'm still looking for a good blondie girl with nice face, in thermas 4 x 4 y saw one but I was out of ammunition after Gabriela. Any advice is welcome.

Sorry about the grammars, English it is not my native language.

Meet forum member bravo and hit so many places together at centro. First building was av 13 de maio 47. Somebody report before they asking register here and show you passport. They not asking it anymore we hit this building in and out 2 times without any registracion at reception.

Delicias do centro sala 513 have 3 girls all not good looking price 20 min-50 30 min-70.

Dama do cavalo alado sala 610 20 min-50 30 min-70 riel have 3 girls 2 was ugly one is so so.

Pimenthinas do centro sala 512. Have 3 girls 2 of them was good looking they have cabins here but they looks clean, have fan inside, have shower outside and give you clean towel. The girl I take was nice good at sex BBBJ followed she make me cum quiet fast pay 50 real for 20 min. They have price on a wall so I make a photo and will post here.

Next building place we visited av rio branco 185.

Bel prazer sala 2114 have good lineup maybe 10-12 girls prices 20 min-110 40 min-130 1 hour-160.

Annita massagem sala 1722 was closed or moved out.

Angel massagem sala 1708 was closed or moved out.

Danny massagem sala 1308 have 3 girls inside all not good looking. Prices: 15 minutes-60 20 min-70 30 min-90.
40-110 1 hour-130. We checked some other couple places on this building its moved or was closed I not remember the names.

We checked many places at this building but its was moved out or closed.

Centro zen sala 1833 moved out or closed.

Equipe flavia massage sala 1328 moved out or closed.

Top plussex sala 1325 moved or closed.

Many other was closed also I just forget some names.

Lolas massagem sala 610 have 3 girls not my taste prices: 20 min-50 30 min - 70 real.

Sala 606 (forget the name of the place) 20 min - 60 30 min-80 riel have 2 girls both not good looking.

Centro star sala 2622 nice places they have 9 girls 2 of them I like. Prices: 20 min-80 30 min-100 1 hour - 150. I choose girl name suzy she was good at sex BBBJ, nice personality she suck dick better than hoover. The rooms here is not so bad have shower outside clean towel. I will add photo of the room and their business card.

One place we visited today with bravo was perfect for me I have best 3 some and best sex from my all rio trip at av rio branco 156 building. We walk in with bravo they have 6-7 girls some of them was young and good looking. I like 2 girls here. The girls know I not speak portugese so they said for bravo which things they doing and ask to translate for me: on menu was everything, kisses, BBBJ, anal and so on. I was confused which one to take and bravo suggest take them both. Price was 20 min-80 30 min - 100 for one girl and both is double. The girls was 19 and 20 years old slims nice bodies with great attitude. The room was small and not so good looking, but clean and they have shower outside with clean towel. I take a shower after girls do the same one buy one. Till one was in a shower other already was doing BBBJ for me I touch her pussy she was so wet I put condom and star fuck her pussy at the same time other girl come and join us she was kissing my neck and touching my balls till I was fucking other girl doggy style I pull out my dick the girl put gel into her ass and I squizze inside she enoy it and was moaning a lot till I was fucking her ass, doggy style other girl was massage my balls same time, later I change condom and start to fuck other girl doggy style into her pussy other girl was kissing my neck and back at same time. Later she put gel into her ass and I try to squize in her hole was so small it was going into really hard slow by slow I start fuck her hard into ass and other girl was touching my ass and balls same time I Could last long and cum. Girl take condom off clean my dick with tissue and start suck it again for little bit it was great. I ask their whatsapp numbers they both give me and allowed make photos of them together on bed. 200 real for 2 girls was well spend. I will add photo of the room. If some senior member who offten report here want prive sala number he can text me and I share more information.

Seems its not fair just give all best information for people here who never report themselfs.

We visited this place around 16.00 pm the place was packed full of people have maybe 18-20 girls inside I like 5-6 of them. One girl was really tall like 6. 2 I first time saw so tall girl in my life she has great body but here face was so so. I was able to write all prices this time on my phone they advertise it on the wall: 15 min-55 20 min 65 30 min-90 40 min-100 1 hour 150 15 min-55 20 min-65 40 min-100. Also I like black tall girl with great body here but when I decided to fuck her she disapear somewhere or was with other costumer. Anyways seems this place have good looking girls for good prices.

4 x4 terma. Have maybe 20-25 girls inside I like 4-5 of them we don't take the girls here but the price is 250 real for 30 min and 370 real for 1 hour if I remember right. Entry fee is 60 real if you not take a girl.

Termas 502 was maybe 10-15 girls inside 2-3 was good looking I ask the prices one girl she said she is new her and don't know yet so bravo find it out for me: cabine: 30 min-150 40 min-170 1 hour-200 suite: 1 hour-250 40 min 230. Today mongering was great and easy when someone with you and speak portugese well.

Pokeris and I hit up a bunch of spots in centro today and just had a blast. We were like little children laughing and pointing out different females. When we went to 156, I saw this nice looking blonde with an incredible ass waiting for the elevator, we got off on the same floor and I watched to see which sala she went into while Pokeris checked out another place. When Pokeris came out, we went to the salon where the blonde girl was and a lesbian came ot the front and told us to have a seat while she sent the girls to meet us. There was a very nice lineup of females but I didn't see the blonde with the great ass, so when the lesbian came out to see who we selected, I asked about the blonde that entered 3 minutes before we arrived. It turns out that the woman was the manager and not a working girl! FUCK!! I just knew I was going to have a great time with that ass!! I asked the lesbian to call the manager over so I could speak to her, I told her that I followed her from the elevator and she laughed and said that happens alot. She gave me her whatsapp number when I asked about her sala. (Maybe she won't do anything in fron of her girls but she might be game for a private session).

I just checked my notes, i think the name of the place was Centro Suzy. They were in building 185 but they moved to 156 Rio Branco. When they moved to 156, the spilt the girls into two salas, one on the 7th floor and the other on the 6th floor. Delilah is the manager for both locations.

The two girls that Pokeris selected were really cute, one was only 18, so her little body was perfect, not an once of fat. I translated all the little nasty things that they whispered in my ear so I could tell Pokeris. After Pokeris selected them both, he went into the room to take a shower, so I pulled them both to the side and said "That man is my boss at work. This is his first time in Brasil and if you two don't show him an amazing time, he might fire me and I won't have presents to give my children for Christmas!! You have to make sure he leaves here with a huge smile on his face!" They both assured me that they were going to have a great time and that I would not lose my job. Smacked them both on the butt and said " YOU CAN DO IT!" I am glad they fulfilled their promise.

I plan on hitting MABs to see how the crowd looks (tomorrow is a big holiday). If it sucks at MABS, I may take an UBER to VM and spend a couple of hours watching the freak show1

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2248712]Most of the chicks were dressed like hookers or favela dwellers. Was it like that back in the Terraco days? Either it was not or I was too wrapped up in the scene to notice.[/QUOTE]Yes, the girls dressed like hookers or favela girls in Terraco Atlantico days. Don't believe me. Check for yourself on this fun video that perfectly capture the scene at TA. There were some hotties in those days for sure.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dySQJppdZLE&t=526s[/URL]

I have been going to 4 X4 forever, it is my all time favorite terma. I have never been so disappointed in the line up as I have been on this trip! I was excited to take Pokeris to his very fist terma and Talked 4 x4 up big time. I just knew it was going to be full of hot girls, no dice. I doubt if there were more than 20 girls in the entire place, I think that Orca 13 may have had more females than 4 X4 had. I literally did not see one big booty girl that I wanted to take upstairs and 4 x4 is known for having the horse bundas. Hopefully, they will pick up next week because this week the line up has been horrible.

[QUOTE=Pokeris;2249240]We visited this place around 16.00 pm the place was packed full of people have maybe 18-20 girls inside I like 5-6 of them. One girl was really tall like 6. 2 I first time saw so tall girl in my life she has great body but here face was so so. I was able to write all prices this time on my phone they advertise it on the wall: 15 min-55 20 min 65 30 min-90 40 min-100 1 hour 150 15 min-55 20 min-65 40 min-100. Also I like black tall girl with great body here but when I decided to fuck her she disapear somewhere or was with other costumer. Anyways seems this place have good looking girls for good prices.[/QUOTE]Thank you for taking the time and research to report on all the placed you visited. I know it takes a lot of time and effort and many of us reward you for for your efforts! Ben hecho!

[QUOTE=Bravo;2249252]I have been going to 4 X4 forever, it is my all time favorite terma. I have never been so disappointed in the line up as I have been on this trip! I was excited to take Pokeris to his very fist terma and Talked 4 x4 up big time. I just knew it was going to be full of hot girls, no dice. I doubt if there were more than 20 girls in the entire place, I think that Orca 13 may have had more females than 4 X4 had. I literally did not see one big booty girl that I wanted to take upstairs and 4 x4 is known for having the horse bundas. Hopefully, they will pick up next week because this week the line up has been horrible.[/QUOTE]Yeah I think the 4 x4 is going to shutdown, I was there last week and something seems off. The Quality and the Talent was down, actually it was the worst I ever seen it. I don't they are making the money like they use to make. They also do Half and Hour sessions now for 250 Real. The Best Termas on my trip was Solarium. They had some of the baddest Brazilian chicks I ever seen in my life, But its crazy expensive. I did 2 sessions and my bill came up to $500 US Dollars, Not Real, Dollars, Its a upscale termas in Ipanema. The Quality is top notch. Another termas I visit for the 1st time in over 10 Years I have been going to Brazil is Centaurus. Now this place is expensive but the quality sucks. They are crazy to want to charge you a lot of money when the girls look no better than any chick I seen in the 4 x 4. Shit some of the girls I hired from some escort websites look better than the chicks in Centarus and most of chicks on the escort site charge 100-300 Real Tops!. Another thing I did not like is the girls are pushy as hell. Its very unattractive when a girl is desperate and pushy for you to take them upstairs. I personally don't know how Centarus stays in business.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2248712]Hit Mabis Friday night about 11 after coming from a fuck house. That was the most people that I have ever seen there. Some guys that I was talking to said there were even more at the end of April when they were there last. When I was there April 23 there were only about 5 chick though. That was the night I grabbed the chick that is in law school.

Friday night I saw 2 old Help girls (as seen in fotos.) 2 nights ago I saw the old White Help girl. Prices I heard were from 250 reais for 1 hour to 900 reais for all night. Most of the chicks were dressed like hookers or favela dwellers. Was it like that back in the Terraco days? Either it was not or I was too wrapped up in the scene to notice.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the Mab's update and it's always nice to see photos. I recognize most of the girls in your photos from my October trip. If you could take a few more photos similar to these I think it would be fun to see. They are sneaky photos so not so easy to take and I understand if you feel reluctant to it.

I went down to VM last night thinking that it would be crawling with girls since today is a holiday, that definately was not the case at all. It was super slow, hardly anyone walking around. I did 3 loops and then walked down to Mosaic. I was pleasantly surprised at the quality in the place, to be honest, there were more girls that I wanted to fuck in Mosaico then there were in 4 x4! Some very nice big booty talent.

I met a former 4 x4 girl there who was stunning, I would have grabbed her at any major terma. Big round ass (natural) beautiful face, real hair, the works. She puti down in the cabin and I walked out there with a huge smile!! I can't wait to hook up wiht her outside the place so I can spend more time enjoying that body. After my session, I walked around and saw a young slender girl dancing with another female. She was super cute with just enough booty to make me interested. Turns out, she is only 18 and yesterday was her very first day on the job!! If the former 4 x4 hadn't just drained me, I would have ran upstairs with her. I can't wait to go back and enjoy this young girl before she becomes jaded to the scene. !

2 Warnings.

1) Make sure you stop at a hardware store and buy a top notch 220 volt adapter. I borrowed a cheap adapter from the hotel because I had left mine at home. I plugged my hair trimmers into the adapter and when I powered it on, it fried my hair clippers and killed the power to all of the outlets in the room. I was super pissed because now I have no adapter for the rest of my vacation and I will have to shave my head. Thank goodness it wasnt my phone or laptop or else I would have been FUCKED! So make sure you purchase a good quality one instead of using those super cheap white ones that they seel for 2 reais in the street.

2) Look at those brazilian calendars before you travel. I didn't know that they have two holidays during my trip to Rio. There is a big one today, all of the termas and prives are closed in centro. They are supposed to be open tomorrow but I doubt that there will be any girls because they wil just take a long 4 day weekend off. In addition, tuesdayis another fucking holiday, so once again, I miss out on another day to explore in centro and enjoy myself. I have given up on Copa in terms on mongering. Either there are very few girls or they are asking for outrageous prices for one hour. So far my vacation has been all about downtown action. In fact, I am moving to a hotel in centro on Monday so I can be closer to the action.

Carla: white skinned girl with fake blond hair and brown eyes.

Performance 9/10 BBBJ, CIM and anal sex.

Damage: 200 reais: 1 HR and entry: 10 reais with one drink included.

The room was hot and the air conditioner was very dusty. The girl was very good at sex although the room was not very good.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2249527]I went down to VM last night thinking that it would be crawling with girls since today is a holiday, that definately was not the case at all. It was super slow, hardly anyone walking around. I did 3 loops and then walked down to Mosaic. I was pleasantly surprised at the quality in the place, to be honest, there were more girls that I wanted to fuck in Mosaico then there were in 4 x4! Some very nice big booty talent.

.[/QUOTE]Interesting, not sure what time you hit VM, but I was there from about 1130 pm to almost 6 am!

It was great!

Had one of my best nights ever at VM!

Took a couple girls to one of the suites, great time!

Checked some place at copacabana today:

Delirio oriental Rua Hilrio de Gouveia, 66 - sala 201 copacabana arrived around 11.30 am take lift up ring the bell and they open doors for me. Girls prices: 30 min-170 1 hour-170 riel 2 girls 30 min-240 1 hour-300 riel. They put me at small presentation room sit at massage table.
That room Its not good for presentation at all because it has neon blue lights inside so you can't see girls face proper (its sames light like they put at public toilets some countries so drug addicts can't see their veins) they show me 7-8 girls at neon light I like just 1 of them (I think I like in that ligt maybe at normal light she looks diffrent). They show me the room also if you want reach the room you need go out to carridor the is the lift walk 5-10 metres to diffrent sala. The room was not nice at all small and simillar for rooms which has cheaper prives just with double bed. Shower was also outside somewhere. I don't know who can pay this sort of money for this kind of place. I just told them thank you and left.

Espao Suzy Oriental Av. Nossa Sra. De Copacabana, 542 - 806 this place is moved out or closed.

Eden spa- same building as copa583 just on 4 floor sala 401. I walk in they show me 3 girls one was really cute she come to me introduce herself and grab my dick. She was wearing short jeans dress I touch her and she wasnt wearing any panties. Girls prices 1 hour-220 30 min-170. I don't take any girl and left.

Copa583 arrived around 12.00 pm they show me 7 or 8 girls. Just one was cute. Her name is melisa 24 years old speak good english. I pay 120 for 40 minutes and we went at room I take a shower she offered massage at first I agree. We talk little bit with her after she take her clothes of and star BBBJ later I start to fuck her doggy style she has nice ass! I said anal she said ok but it cost. I said how much you want? She said 100 real. I said I can give you 40 real she said no 70 so I carry on fucking her pussy. Later She said ok 40 but do it slowly at first I said ok. She put cream into her ass and grab my dick and try to put is slowly I fuck her but she was holding her hand on my dick same time and said oh hurts slowly slowly I fuck like that for 30 seconds but didint like it. I take of the hand and what I see? My dick into her pussy. I told its a pussy why you pretend I fuck your ass? She said ok ok you can do it into ass now. It kills my mood and I said I can give you 20 real not 40 now. She redused. I could cum anymore I take the condon of and she start to wank for me she put a lot of cream so it slides good after 2-3 minutes I cum. I take a shower and left. This girls at copacabana are spoiled by foreigners with tps I have 3 girls at copa583 2 of them was asking tips. It never happens at centro prives or vila mimosa I always have better expierence at that places. Walk out on street catch 455 bus and on my way to vila mimosa.

Arrived around 1. 20 pm daytime my favourite sitting bar was closed for some reason so order some beer and make a walk around checked other alleys with bars. It was really quiet I didint see any girl I like so I go out on the main street and was drinking my beer and I saw cute black girl dancing next to the music machine. I walk to her and said hola and ask her name (soon I forget it) and how old is she. She was 22 years old with small firm tits and nice small body. I ask how much she want for 30 min she told me 60 riel I said 50 and she agree straight away vamos amor. I pay 50 at her bar and we walk upstairs room here like always filfy and dont have any light so I fukced her with open doors (who cares its vila mimosa and it was quiet time) she done good BBBJ at first after I fucked doggy style standing on the floor I didn't want to touch that bed to much. Later I change position and lie on the girl I fuck her hard but could cum. I take a condom of and she start suck again I feel its coming I pull it out and cum somewhere on the floor. She clean my dick with toilet paper and we make some selfie together and we go downstairs. I bought some more beer and share with her. I put into her glass. She ask me 2 real for music machine I give her she add some music and dance for me it was fun she was rubbing her ass to my dick I put my hand on her under her short dress she was without panties. Other ugly girl was walking topless very high on cocaine (she still have a lot of powder under her nose sticked on skin. She saw me and come hug me but the girl who was with me pushed her away. I spend 10-15 minutes more and left. Walk to the bus stop catch bus 456 and comeback copacabana.

Arrived 22.30 pm was many people already walk around little bit saw a good looking black girl offer her 50 real for 30 minutes she want 60 I agree with it. The girl was great.
BBBJ, some diffrent positions and cum into mouth. Girl name was rainara 18 years old, allowed some pic of her, share facebook and whatsapp. After meet bravo went mozaic together. This place have some good lookings girls. We have couple of drinks and I comeback for vm to find other black girl which I saw 1 hour ago and like her. I find her offer 50 real for 30 min she agree and we went to the room she was 22 years old same routine follows BBBJ, doggy style after cum into mouth. She gives her facebook and allowed make some pic. Comeback mozaic meet bravo we take uber around 2 pm and comeback copacabana say goodbye each other. I comeback hotel pickup my bag and off to airport waiting my fly. My trip at rio is finish have great time!!

[QUOTE=Pokeris;2249762]My trip at rio is finish have great time!![/QUOTE]
It was very nice to read so many qualityreports with useful information. Such reports are very rare in the Rio forum. Thank you.
Boa viagem!

[QUOTE=Sperto;2249770]It was very nice to read so many qualityreports with useful information. Such reports are very rare in the Rio forum. Thank you.
Boa viagem![/QUOTE]Thank you!

[QUOTE=Sperto;2249770]It was very nice to read so many qualityreports with useful information. Such reports are very rare in the Rio forum.....
[/QUOTE]Not so, your blow by blow on the ground quality reports are quite useful.

Hi,

I am from Russia. Sorry for my bad English. Please tell me, after the carnival in March, many girls are work or they go on vacation? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Markmmbonito;2250337]Hi,

I am from Russia. Sorry for my bad English. Please tell me, after the carnival in March, many girls are work or they go on vacation? Thanks.[/QUOTE]You better come to Rio de Janeiro before or after carnival, termas in Zona Sul will be open during the carnival but there will be less available women. If I am in your shoes I will fly down to rio de janeiro from Monday March 10th. There will be more accessible girls from that date.

Mabs and some clubs in copacabana are open during the carnival but I never frequent those places because I always stay away from gringo spots and most girls are below average, the only spot I frequent in zona sul is Solarium and sometimes Monte Carlo.

Hi guys,

Fantastic thread. I have read and taken everything on board many thanks. I am on the UK punting side and have been to Marrakesh numerous times and know full well how these threads work. If any of you are there, I am Midobian. I am going to Rio next week and definitely will report back.

Just one thing I wanted to ask, is 4 x 4 busy on Saturday?

Last Friday I went again to 4 x 4, this time take Cristal, a blondie beauty with silicon tits. She was good at service with BBBJ and CIF also very kind and energetic, total damage 440 reales.

Today Monday I went to bel prazer looking for Camila, but she wasn't there so I take Milla, nice body but she has slight birth child marks, good BBBJ, very GFE with nice attitude, without kinks. Total damage 160 reales.

After that I went to thermas 502, today was like a cemetery, nobody here, spent 45 minute with my beer and only 3 old girls, damage 10 reales.

After that I decide to move to Thermas Montecarlo, here were 7-8 girls, most of them good looking, take a beer and wait, more girls show and decided to take a nice blondie girl (I don't remember her name) but she was very beatiful and has a nice body, tits a little sag but nothing terrible. Nice BBBJ and CIM, very energetic, the second round ended just when time run out. The only trouble it that the girl was a little.

Insistent on the drinks. Total damage 852 Reales.

Yea that's right, 852 reales, the trouble is that Montecarlo it's way more expensive than 4 x 4, because they take a admision fee of 120 reales, after that for the room, that they call suite, they take another 180 reales, also the aply a 10% over total cost (taxes maybe? And finally if you pay with credit card they charge another 70 reales. Overall 370 reales base without the girl, not taking into account the drinks.

The girls are a little better than in 4 x 4 but not to pay double for a good fuck, it's to overpriced, not goot relationship between price / performance. If you want to go to a terma go to 4 x 4. If you want to burn money go to Montecarlo.

[QUOTE=AP1990;2251173]Hi guys,

Fantastic thread. I have read and taken everything on board many thanks. I am on the UK punting side and have been to Marrakesh numerous times and know full well how these threads work. If any of you are there, I am Midobian. I am going to Rio next week and definitely will report back.

Just one thing I wanted to ask, is 4 x 4 busy on Saturday?[/QUOTE]It's closed on Saturdays, as are most Centro termas. Monte Carlo, Solarium, and probably Centaurus are open on Saturday. All termas are closed on Sunday.

I'm on the ground and headed over to Mabs last night to see the 2nd half of MNF & check out the talent. Lo & behold, a huge tree had fell on the outdoor canopy so the only seating was inside (it had been raining hard as hell all day)! Needless to say, the few females there were the hardest of the hardcore hags! Mabs had already been on a steady decline the last few years, but it still was the only true FL pickup spot in Copa. If they can't fix the outdoor area quick I'm probably going to stay in Centro for the rest of this trip.

[QUOTE=ReyKong6;2251486]I'm on the ground and headed over to Mabs last night to see the 2nd half of MNF & check out the talent. Lo & behold, a huge tree had fell on the outdoor canopy so the only seating was inside (it had been raining hard as hell all day)! Needless to say, the few females there were the hardest of the hardcore hags! Mabs had already been on a steady decline the last few years, but it still was the only true FL pickup spot in Copa. If they can't fix the outdoor area quick I'm probably going to stay in Centro for the rest of this trip.[/QUOTE]Centro is the best place to monger in Rio de Janeiro. You can still pick up girls when the termas close, That's what I do when I go to the termas. The Copacabana beach is not good, very dirty and many people from favela, in the city of Rio de Janeiro, I prefer the Barra beach, less people and cleaner. Most of the foreigners coming to Brazil still want their small HELP to stick to it, they just want to stay in Copacabana. There are many options in Rio de Janeiro. Copa is still good for other activities, copa is not far from centro, only 20 reais UBER. And metro 4.30 reais.

[QUOTE=Soumonger;2251204]Last Friday I went again to 4 x 4, this time take Cristal, a blondie beauty with silicon tits. She was good at service with BBBJ and CIF also very kind and energetic, total damage 440 reales.

Today Monday I went to bel prazer looking for Camila, but she wasn't there so I take Milla, nice body but she has slight birth child marks, good BBBJ, very GFE with nice attitude, without kinks. Total damage 160 reales.

After that I went to thermas 502, today was like a cemetery, nobody here, spent 45 minute with my beer and only 3 old girls, damage 10 reales.

After that I decide to move to Thermas Montecarlo, here were 7-8 girls, most of them good looking, take a beer and wait, more girls show and decided to take a nice blondie girl (I don't remember her name) but she was very beatiful and has a nice body, tits a little sag but nothing terrible. Nice BBBJ and CIM, very energetic, the second round ended just when time run out. The only trouble it that the girl was a little.

Insistent on the drinks. Total damage 852 Reales.

Yea that's right, 852 reales, the trouble is that Montecarlo it's way more expensive than 4 x 4, because they take a admision fee of 120 reales, after that for the room, that they call suite, they take another 180 reales, also the aply a 10% over total cost (taxes maybe? And finally if you pay with credit card they charge another 70 reales. Overall 370 reales base without the girl, not taking into account the drinks.

The girls are a little better than in 4 x 4 but not to pay double for a good fuck, it's to overpriced, not goot relationship between price / performance. If you want to go to a terma go to 4 x 4. If you want to burn money go to Montecarlo.[/QUOTE]502 is pretty slow on Mondays, the best time to go there is from 7 pm, it is open from 2 pm but it is always empty early. The best days are Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. What time did you go to 502?

I went to Monte carlo two weeks ago, I only saw one beautiful girls, I prefer Solarium. I only paid admission fee and did not stay long in MC because it did not look good to me.

Today is Black Consciousness Day.

[QUOTE=ReyKong6;2251486]I'm on the ground and headed over to Mabs last night to see the 2nd half of MNF & check out the talent. Lo & behold, a huge tree had fell on the outdoor canopy so the only seating was inside (it had been raining hard as hell all day)! Needless to say, the few females there were the hardest of the hardcore hags! Mabs had already been on a steady decline the last few years, but it still was the only true FL pickup spot in Copa. If they can't fix the outdoor area quick I'm probably going to stay in Centro for the rest of this trip.[/QUOTE]I went to MABs about 12:30 AM and I confirm that the entire outside section was closed because of the treet. Unfortunately, they were not showing the game on the inside TVs, only a soccer match. I stayed about 2 minutes and left. Fucking sucks because I heard it was an amazing game last night.

Unfortunately, everything is closed today because of the holiday. I had to dig into the Rolodex to get a couple of old school help girls to come thru. Today is a wash, hopefully, tomorrow will be much better.

[QUOTE=ReyKong6;2251486]Mabs had already been on a steady decline the last few years, but it still was the only true FL pickup spot in Copa.[/QUOTE]I had never heard of Sansoo so like a true pro I decided to RTFF. I saw that people like Tomjackin had made a report on the place - which made it sound like a Barbarellas type joint where the girls work for the club. (Actually I RTFF after the story that I am about to tell.) What happened was I was walking by headed back to my hotel on PI. I saw the place and liked the name. The doorman tried to get me to come in, but I thought it was a regular club, so I told him I couldn't go in there with flip flops on.

I kept walking down the street and was saying San Sooo, San Soooooo. Just then two normal chicks were passing and heard me and asked if Sansoo was closed. I said no it is open. One of the chicks was short and I think she was walking with a limp. Maybe she was handicap or something, but I liked that chick. I decided to go to my room and change shoes and head back to see what was up with Sansoo (well actually what was up with the handicap girl). Layed on the fucking bed and woke up damn near the next morning with all the lights on.

So the next night I had the law school Mab's chick come stay with me. I asked her about Sansoo. She said it was a FL pickup spot just like Mabs and others, it just has chicks dancing on poles as well. I asked why she didn't hang there then. She said that she prefered Mab's and DV. I never got a chance to check it out for myself. If what she said is true then why are people not hitting up Sansoo?

Wingman just sent me the Mabs pics and video.

[URL]https://youtu.be/dsnCWjBm1Lc[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2251561]I had never heard of Sansoo so like a true pro I decided to RTFF. I saw that people like Tomjackin had made a report on the place - which made it sound like a Barbarellas type joint where the girls work for the club. (Actually I RTFF after the story that I am about to tell.) What happened was I was walking by headed back to my hotel on PI. I saw the place and liked the name. The doorman tried to get me to come in, but I thought it was a regular club, so I told him I couldn't go in there with flip flops on.

I kept walking down the street and was saying San Sooo, San Soooooo. Just then two normal chicks were passing and heard me and asked if Sansoo was closed. I said no it is open. One of the chicks was short and I think she was walking with a limp. Maybe she was handicap or something, but I liked that chick. I decided to go to my room and change shoes and head back to see what was up with Sansoo (well actually what was up with the handicap girl). Layed on the fucking bed and woke up damn near the next morning with all the lights on.

So the next night I had the law school Mab's chick come stay with me. I asked her about Sansoo. She said it was a FL pickup spot just like Mabs and others, it just has chicks dancing on poles as well. I asked why she didn't hang there then. She said that she prefered Mab's and DV. I never got a chance to check it out for myself. If what she said is true then why are people not hitting up Sansoo?[/QUOTE]Senso is more like Barbarela, Casablanca and Marrakesh, You have to pay a fine when you take a girl out. If you stop to buy drinks. The girl doesn't stay with you. Because the clubs objective is to make clients buy drinks. In termas even if you stop paying any drink the girl keeps staying with you.

Maybe the reason is because it's too pricey even more pricey than high end termas that's why not many people hit that place and the service is mediocre.

I fucked a girl in 4 by 4 , she worked in Casablanca last month she said clients have to pay a fee if they take a girl out or pay for the room if they fuck on the premises. The price is 400 -500 reais without the room or the barfine and girls can't lower the price below 400 because it's the policy in Casablanca and also because they don't have to fuck up their colleagues' business. She stop working there because there are less and less clients, not as many tourists in Copacabana as in the past.

I don't know much about senso because I don't go to those kinds of clubs but I am sure the reason is the same.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;2251561]I had never heard of Sansoo so like a true pro I decided to RTFF. [/QUOTE]
Sensoo, not Sansoo. It's not a new club. There have been lots of reports about Sensoo. Last time I went to Sensoo was in January. They might tell you that they charge an entrance fee (R$80) but they are quick to skip the fee. Just pay what you consume. The club is quite small and dark. When I went there were a dozen of girls. Several were doable but not paying-high-price-doable.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2251708]Sensoo, not Sansoo. [/QUOTE]You think I would have known that seeing that I even took a picture of the place.

Men:

Vagabundo is inbound in January or February for a few months.

This is a warning order.

Hit me up on a private message.

I am seriously looking for wingmen who want to help make Brazilian porno for a established American director. And to continue with the "ramble on" RioFornication reality series that is my penis' life in Brazil.

Carry on.

Happy Marine Corps Ramadan for those of you fortunate enough to have been baptized into Uncle Sam's Misguided Children.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;2251620]Wingman just sent me the Mabs pics and video.

[URL]https://youtu.be/dsnCWjBm1Lc[/URL][/QUOTE]
In the video there are two guys having lunch when the tree breaks. They got up in a hurry.

[QUOTE=AP1990;2251173]Hi guys,

Fantastic thread. I have read and taken everything on board many thanks. I am on the UK punting side and have been to Marrakesh numerous times and know full well how these threads work. If any of you are there, I am Midobian. I am going to Rio next week and definitely will report back.

Just one thing I wanted to ask, is 4 x 4 busy on Saturday?[/QUOTE]Closed on weekends, only opens Monday thru Friday.

Is it Mimosa Copacabana Confeitaria (Rua Djalma Ulrich, 184)?

Do you need to check the ID of the girl to confirm an age?

Is it safe to invite a girl to your hotel or rented apartment?

[QUOTE=Pokeris;2249762]Arrived 22.30 pm was many people already walk around little bit saw a good looking black girl offer her 50 real for 30 minutes she want 60 I agree with it. The girl was great.
BBBJ, some diffrent positions and cum into mouth. Girl name was rainara 18 years old, allowed some pic of her, share facebook and whatsapp. After meet bravo went mozaic together. This place have some good lookings girls. We have couple of drinks and I comeback for vm to find other black girl which I saw 1 hour ago and like her. I find her offer 50 real for 30 min she agree and we went to the room she was 22 years old same routine follows BBBJ, doggy style after cum into mouth. She gives her facebook and allowed make some pic. Comeback mozaic meet bravo we take uber around 2 pm and comeback copacabana say goodbye each other. I comeback hotel pickup my bag and off to airport waiting my fly. My trip at rio is finish have great time!![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bliadun;2251972]Is it Mimosa Copacabana Confeitaria (Rua Djalma Ulrich, 184)?

Do you need to check the ID of the girl to confirm an age?

Is it safe to invite a girl to your hotel or rented apartment?[/QUOTE]No mate its vila mimosa dirty red light district at
R. Sotero dos reis-praca da bandeira not far from sao cristovao station. You can take uber for 17 real from copacabana, metro for 4. 20 real or bus number 455,456 for 3. 95 real.

[QUOTE=Bliadun;2251972]Is it Mimosa Copacabana Confeitaria (Rua Djalma Ulrich, 184)?

Do you need to check the ID of the girl to confirm an age?[/QUOTE]He is talking about an area past downtown called Vila Mimosa. It is not a particular building or business establishment. We have always called it "The Hood. ".

P. S. A confeitaria is a candy shop, not a hoarhouse.

I'll check it out in a few days.

I would really appreciate answers to 2 other questions.

[QUOTE=Pokeris;2251976]No mate its vila mimosa dirty red light district at
R. Sotero dos reis-praca da bandeira not far from sao cristovao station. You can take uber for 17 real from copacabana, metro for 4. 20 real or bus number 455,456 for 3. 95 real.[/QUOTE]

Google search misleads sometimes.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2251978]He is talking about an area past downtown called Vila Mimosa. It is not a particular building or business establishment. We have always called it "The Hood. ".

P. S. A confeitaria is a candy shop, not a hoarhouse.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bliadun;2251984]I'll check it out in a few days.

I would really appreciate answers to 2 other questions.[/QUOTE]I was never checking girls ID at vila mimosa myself. Probably if you invite her to your hotel reception
they will ask her ID for registrasion. Yes it safe to bring girls at you apartament or your hotel just use your common sence and hold all value things at safe or somewhere out of eyes.

Thanks a lot.

[QUOTE=Pokeris;2251998]I was never checking girls ID at vila mimosa myself. Probably if you invite her to your hotel reception
they will ask her ID for registrasion. Yes it safe to bring girls at you apartament or your hotel just use your common sence and hold all value things at safe or somewhere out of eyes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bliadun;2251972]Is it Mimosa Copacabana Confeitaria (Rua Djalma Ulrich, 184)?

Do you need to check the ID of the girl to confirm an age?

Is it safe to invite a girl to your hotel or rented apartment?[/QUOTE]You have to take the red line and switch to the green line from Botafogo to Central and on weekends you have to switch to the green line in Estacao to take the subway to pavuna and get off in Sao Cristavo. It costs 4. 30 reais. Vila mimosa is 5 minutes walk from the station. There are three stations in Copacabana Cantagalo, Siqueira Campos and Cardeal Arcoverde. It depend on where you live in Copacabana.

Uber price is from 20 reais.

It's very safe to take girls to your hotel, most hotels have strongboxes where you can put your valuable belongings in there and the reception checks the girl's ID for your safety, that's why the girl you take must have her ID with her when she goes with you to your hotel. You have to understand many hotels are not girl friendly, that's why you have to check some hotels before booking. Ibis and Atlantico hotels are girl friendly if you book a room for two people and they don't ask any additional fee.

In Windsor hotels, you have to register the girl when you book, this hotel is not hooker friendly. There are hotels in Rio that are girl friendly or not, some hotel will ask you to pay an additional fee. It depends on the hotel you choose.

It is safe to take girls to your apartment, it depends on you and on the girl you choose, just keep your valuable belongings safe when you bring girls. Some doormen will ask your girl's ID for your safety and some don't care. It depends on the policy of the building. Some apartments are not guest friendly, all depends on the owner of the apartment you choose.

[QUOTE=Bliadun;2251972]Is it Mimosa Copacabana Confeitaria (Rua Djalma Ulrich, 184)?
Do you need to check the ID of the girl to confirm an age?[/QUOTE]
It could have been fun if you went to the confeitaria asking for putas. :D
Regarding your second question. If you're in doubt you should definitely check the girls ID to avoid committing a serious crime.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2252017]

In Windsor hotels, you have to register the girl when you book, this hotel is not hooker friendly. There are hotels in Rio that are girl friendly or not, some hotel will ask you to pay an additional fee. It depends on the hotel you choose.

It is safe to take girls to your apartment, it depends on you and on the girl you choose, just keep your valuable belongings safe when you bring girls. Some doormen will ask your girl's ID for your safety and some don't care. It depends on the policy of the building. Some apartments are not guest friendly, all depends on the owner of the apartment you choose.[/QUOTE]I was at the Windsor hotel in centro yesterday. Their guest policy is: You can have a girl over, but they will copy her ID at the front desk and they will charge you a 70 R fee per guest.

I went to terma 502 last night as a change for pace from hitting 4 x4 every day. There were a number of cuties in 502 to my surprise but all the ones that I wanted to take upstairs were occupied. A young, slender, pretty girl sat with me and we talked for about 20 minutes about Brazil and her life. She wasnt my type physically but I decided to try something different and to take her to the room. (200 for 1 hour is cabin, 250 for 1 hour in the suite) I will give this young lady 3 strikes but in all honestly, I bear some of the responsibility for 2 of the strikes because I didn't ask questions beforehand.

Strike 1 - We are in the room and she does a cute strip tease for me, we start kissing and rubbing, next thing I know, she reaches for the condom! I almost went into shock. My very first CBJ in a terma! I didn't even know such a thing existed in a terma, I was so blown away, I didn't even complain. The fucked up part is that she was quite good at sucking dick.

Strike 2 - After we were finished, she asked me for a fucking Tip!! I looked at her like she had 3 heads. (ANOTHER FIRST FOR ME). I have had everyone else in a terma ask for tips but never the girl herself. She said she only gets 150 R out of the 200 R that I paid and she needed to pay her rent this week. I told her the tip I give, is repeat business. By the way, I ma not pointing anyone out but this is exactly what happens when Americans and Europeans go down to Rio and start handing out tips. You fuck it up for everyone else!! STOP GIVING TIPS!

Strike 3 - Once we were back in the boate, she asked if she could have a drink because we were fucking for a long time. I gave her my card and she got a fucking vodka / redbull. My fault for not asking but that was definitely strike 3 for me.

Its too bad she fucked up the session with the dumb shit she pulled because if she had been more service oriented, I would have probably gone out with her a second time. The sex part was good (minus the CBJ) and even though she didn't have the big round ass that I love, she was very pretty.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2252300]I was at the Windsor hotel in centro yesterday. Their guest policy is: You can have a girl over, but they will copy her ID at the front desk and they will charge you a 70 R fee per guest.[/QUOTE]I was not charged when I brought a girl I met in Lapa. Maybe You paid that fee because you did not register the girl while you book and you only registered the girl after booking. I used Windsor centro and Windsor Copacabana.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2252311]I went to terma 502 last night as a change for pace from hitting 4 x4 every day. There were a number of cuties in 502 to my surprise but all the ones that I wanted to take upstairs were occupied. A young, slender, pretty girl sat with me and we talked for about 20 minutes about Brazil and her life. She wasnt my type physically but I decided to try something different and to take her to the room. (200 for 1 hour is cabin, 250 for 1 hour in the suite) I will give this young lady 3 strikes but in all honestly, I bear some of the responsibility for 2 of the strikes because I didn't ask questions beforehand.

Strike 1 - We are in the room and she does a cute strip tease for me, we start kissing and rubbing, next thing I know, she reaches for the condom! I almost went into shock. My very first CBJ in a terma! I didn't even know such a thing existed in a terma, I was so blown away, I didn't even complain. The fucked up part is that she was quite good at sucking dick..[/QUOTE]It doesn't only happen to gringos, it also happens to Brazilians. I've been to 502 and many girls already asked me for tips, my answer is outra vez, mais tarde ou nao tenho mais dinheiro.

Before going up to the room, it's better to ask what kind of service she offers, Do you suck without condom? All the sessions in 502 I paid for, I got BBBJ.

When I am downstairs if she ask something to drink. You can say: 1. You can take a beer but if she wants vodka just say something like that, I can only offer one beer today. 2. if you don't care about the girl, just send her packing 3. I have no more money, 4. I only have money for my next session and waiting for my girl coming or 5. Take a beer for both of us to drink together, I know it's cheap but it's totally normal, most Brazilians do that.

Next time your session will be better. We learn from experience, we all went through that.

Thanks for the detailed information.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2252017]You have to take the red line and switch to the green line from Botafogo to Central and on weekends you have to switch to the green line in Estacao to take the subway to pavuna and get off in Sao Cristavo. It costs 4. 30 reais. Vila mimosa is 5 minutes walk from the station. There are three stations in Copacabana Cantagalo, Siqueira Campos and Cardeal Arcoverde. It depend on where you live in Copacabana.

Uber price is from 20 reais.

It's very safe to take girls to your hotel, most hotels have strongboxes where you can put your valuable belongings in there and the reception checks the girl's ID for your safety, that's why the girl you take must have her ID with her when she goes with you to your hotel. You have to understand many hotels are not girl friendly, that's why you have to check some hotels before booking. Ibis and Atlantico hotels are girl friendly if you book a room for two people and they don't ask any additional fee.

In Windsor hotels, you have to register the girl when you book, this hotel is not hooker friendly. There are hotels in Rio that are girl friendly or not, some hotel will ask you to pay an additional fee. It depends on the hotel you choose.

It is safe to take girls to your apartment, it depends on you and on the girl you choose, just keep your valuable belongings safe when you bring girls. Some doormen will ask your girl's ID for your safety and some don't care. It depends on the policy of the building. Some apartments are not guest friendly, all depends on the owner of the apartment you choose.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2252335]I was not charged when I brought a girl I met in Lapa. Maybe You paid that fee because you did not register the girl while you book and you only registered the girl after booking. I used Windsor centro and Windsor Copacabana.[/QUOTE]Yes my friend, we are saying the same exact thing. If you register a female and book for two people before your arrival, you don't have to pay anything extra for her to stay with you. However, if you monger and bring a different girl every day, you will have to pay 70 R per guest.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2252480]Yes my friend, we are saying the same exact thing. If you register a female and book for two people before your arrival, you don't have to pay anything extra for her to stay with you. However, if you monger and bring a different girl every day, you will have to pay 70 R per guest.[/QUOTE]Like I wrote in my report, that dude tried to make me feel like a total jackazs for bringing in a chick other than the one I first registered. And registering the new chick meant putting her name on the room and making a key for her as well. And like I also said, they wanted the name of the person staying with me when I checked in. The clerk told me they have a strict policy. They made me feel as if they would have put me out if I had tried to bring a third chick in. IMHO best to not even stay there; I know I won't unless I don't plan on mongering (which was actually why I booked it in the first place, but plans fell through.).

Price.

Minimum consumption 80 reais.

230 reais for 30 minutes.

280 reais for 40 minutes.

300 reais for 1 hour.

I spent some time with Amanda in the club before going up with her.

I chose 30 minutes, she offered DFK, BBBJ, anal sex, performance was 8/10. I came on her mouth but she didn't swallow, she already told me downstairs.

Cancun was a bit slow, many girls and few clients, many girls seemed to get bored in the club.

Went to 81 Rua the Quitanda last night a about 9:15 PM. Asked about pricing and was told no entrance fee (last January it was 10 Real minimum consumption).

When I entered I could see why: much darker than I remembered (you could barely see the girls), the only light by the bar and the door, maybe 5-6 girls, 3-4 guys. Never seen it so empty. Asked the lady at the bar why it was so dark and why so few girls and men but could not understand her. There being no reason to hang around, I left after two minutes. Quite a decline from previous visits.

Then went to 31 Alcantara Machado. Minimum consumption 10 Real. Same cave lighting as 81 Quitanda. Counted 10 girls, half of them negras or mulattas, all of them not doable except for one slim white girl with no tits, except she had a bitchy face that did not promise a good time. I go there to see if there is someone as good as the girl I fucked a couple of times there last year but it was as bad as it was when I went in January.

Then went to 210 Uruguayana. I went there the night before about 9 PM. Packed with guys. Standing room only, shoulder to shoulder. Made my way though the crowd to check out the girls. Hard to tell how many were there but maybe 10-12. No one caught my eye, so I left. Tonight was even more crowded, if possible, so I gave up on trying to get in and just left. I would have gone to 119 Rua the Alfandega where I fucked a girl I did twice last January the previous night but I was not in the mood to fuck being stuffed from eating earlier and having fucked Duda for an hour and a half at Stella's Hollywood on Rua do Ouvidor in the afternoon so just went to my hotel. A couple of attractive girls at 119 but the stalls (you can't call them rooms) are pretty awful.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2252714]Went to 81 Rua the Quitanda last night a about 9:15 PM. Asked about pricing and was told no entrance fee (last January it was 10 Real minimum consumption).[/QUOTE]When I went the week before last it was the same 10 real thing. I told him I only wanted to peek in. It was not a pretty sight thay day either.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2252530]Price.

Minimum consumption 80 reais.

230 reais for 30 minutes.

280 reais for 40 minutes.

300 reais for 1 hour.

I spent some time with Amanda in the club before going up with her.

I chose 30 minutes, she offered DFK, BBBJ, anal sex, performance was 8/10. I came on her mouth but she didn't swallow, she already told me downstairs.

Cancun was a bit slow, many girls and few clients, many girls seemed to get bored in the club.[/QUOTE]Were you in the termas, Cancun, or the Whiskeria, Manhattan? I prefer the Whiskeria where most of the girls hang out. The termas is usually very slow.

[QUOTE=ExecTalent;2252784]Were you in the termas, Cancun, or the Whiskeria, Manhattan? I prefer the Whiskeria where most of the girls hang out. The termas is usually very slow.[/QUOTE]I prefer Cancun over Manhattan, the same girls working in Manhattan also work in Cancun. There are more girls staying in Cancun than in Manhattan. When I was in Manhattan, there were some girls and some old guys drinking. Many girls did not stay long or were occupied because they went upstairs. Overall, there are more girls than clients in Cancun (downstairs or upstairs) the atmosphere is very slow, the staff tries to cheat downstairs when you have to pay. I saw less girls in Cancun Monday than another week day. I find Cancun very strict with clients unlike other termas. Brazilian guys don't like when it's strict. Girls can't grab your dick, can't sit on your dick and many other things. I ve not seen many clients dancing with a girl in Cancun unlike in 4 by 4, t65 and 502.

Now Cancun is dead since t65 reopened and 502 has a new owner, there are way more girls in 502 than in Cancun. It's better to go there from 6 - 7 pm because early there's only few girls in 502. Cancun lowered the prices because of the competition, they plan to lower the price again. The owner of t65 and Mosaic wants to open another terma.

Overall I prefer 4 by 4, t65 and 502 in Centro and solarium in zona sul.

Am planning a 1-2 week trip to either of these places. What do you guys recommend? Money is not an issue. I prefer GFE with 8/9/10's. Would like to stay somewhere I feel safe. Leaning towards Rio at this point. How is the escort scene in Rio?

I went to have a look at Vila Mimosa today Sunday with an uber from Centro (2 USD). I went through the entire street (Sotero dos Reis) by car until Club Mosaico which was closed at 5 pm and it didn't look like it was going to open at any time. No opening hours, nothing written on it, although Google maps says it opens at 4 pm on Sunday.

To be honest, I didn't even get out of my car and I rerouted it to São Cristovão metro station (whose entrance is quite confusing. You have to go up a ramp three floors and then pass the train station to get to the metro station).

I didn't like Vila Mimosa. I saw no guys looking remotely like security but a lot of drunk black Brazilian guys in groups. All together there were very few girls and much more guys than girls in the little bars (everybody was black, it reminded me of Africa too much, not Brazil). Probably there is some kind of maffia security guys but they are not obvious. I saw a cute young black girl in one bar while passing but I didn't see anybody looking like a foreigner or a middle class Brazilian in those streets.

Later in the evening I had a drink at Mab's and there were quite a lot of girls hanging around seated or standing in between the restaurant and the terrace. Unfortunately, I didn't see any young pretty girl above a 6.

[QUOTE=Lievre;2253761]I went to have a look at Vila Mimosa today Sunday with an uber from Centro (2 USD)...
To be honest, I didn't even get out of my car...[/QUOTE]
You must be very skilled noting the lack of security guys, gringos and middleclass locals, girl quality plus the skin color of the visitors, everything without leaving the car. Have fun on your adventures.

[QUOTE=Lievre;2253761]I went to have a look at Vila Mimosa today Sunday with an uber from Centro (2 USD). I went through the entire street (Sotero dos Reis) by car until Club Mosaico which was closed at 5 pm and it didn't look like it was going to open at any time. No opening hours, nothing written on it, although Google maps says it opens at 4 pm on Sunday.

To be honest, I didn't even get out of my car and I rerouted it to So Cristovo metro station (whose entrance is quite confusing. You have to go up a ramp three floors and then pass the train station to get to the metro station).

I didn't like Vila Mimosa. I saw no guys looking remotely like security but a lot of drunk black Brazilian guys in groups. All together there were very few girls and much more guys than girls in the little bars (everybody was black, it reminded me of Africa too much, not Brazil). Probably there is some kind of maffia security guys but they are not obvious. I saw a cute young black girl in one bar while passing but I didn't see anybody looking like a foreigner or a middle class Brazilian in those streets.

Later in the evening I had a drink at Mab's and there were quite a lot of girls hanging around seated or standing in between the restaurant and the terrace. Unfortunately, I didn't see any young pretty girl above a 6.[/QUOTE]Mosaic is open from Monday to Sunday even on on public holiday. It's open from 9 pm to 6 am (Monday through Saturday and from 10 pm to 6 am (Sunday).

I agree, Villa mimosa is not for middle class and upper class Brazilians. Vila mimosa is not dangerous, I've been there many times, especially at night just to walk around and visit some bars before going to mosaic or a metal party with some friends. Sometimes when I see some stunners I ask them for their number or if it's not a busy day I get a fast blow job. I would say that 98 per cent of women working in Vila mimosa are ugly but you can still find some gems if you are lucky. Vila mimosa is a red light for the working poor or tourists on budget. But it's a good place to watch some action.

Mabs is a place intended for gringos especially old guys, most girls are below average. Most girls have been working there for many years, some even worked in the Help era.

Hello all,

Ill be traveling to Rio (new years time) for the first time and was wondering despite my research In not having luck with locating any good apartments that won't have an issue with bringing back company. ID much prefer a apartment to a hotel just cause I enjoy both privacy and a kitchen. If anyone has any recommendations for apartments or airbnbs you've used before please do let me know. Hopefully I can make it up with some good posts once I get back. Thanks.

Used to frequent Solarium before it became ridiculously expensive, so I have not been there for a few years, but am still on their E-mail list. I got a Black Friday Week offer of 50% off the admission price, so, given the few options in Centro, I went on Saturday evening, figuring I could waste 50 Real or so to see how the club was now. Got there about 8 PM, confirmed the discount on the entrance fee of 110 Real, and saw the price list for services. The rates were unbelievable: the cheapest option, as I recall, being about 440 Real for 40 minutes. I knew right there that I was not going to do a session. I changed and while waiting for the bathroom to become available, glanced at the drink menu: beer at 30 Real and up, and alcohol prices even more. Went upstairs to the lounge. Looked the same as before, with maybe 20-22 girls, some standing around trying to get noticed, others sitting with other girls or some customers, of which there might have been around 15 or so. Most of the girls were Bel Prazer or Dudas standard, with maybe 2 or 3 somewhat better, but no way worth 4 times the price. Some girls made eye contact and wanted to join me but I declined since I did not want to waste their time, since there was no way in hell I was going to session with them. There were a couple of stripteases to full nudity by two girls while I was there, neither of whom were any great shakes. Stayed about an hour and left, which seemed to surprise the receptionists. No need to ever go there again, even with free admission. In short, this is a club for those who are either into conspicuous consumption and get their egos boosted by throwing away money, since they could get the same quality girls for a quarter of the price or better-looking escorts for half the price, or don't know where or how to find the same quality girls at far cheaper alternatives, especially during the week in Centro.

On Sunday took a walk around Praca Maua. Happened to walk by Boate Florida around 11:30 AM. A crowd of guys buying entry into the place. I recall reading that it is sometimes a gay bar; given the hour, and the look of some of the guys, I assume that some gay event was happening, so I moved on.

Went to Villa Mimosa about 9:30 PM Sunday night. Dead. Very few girls, ranging from average to horrific, and few guys. Did a walk-through of the place and left. Thought of going into Mosaico but given the time and how dead VM was, figured it would also be dead, so didn't bother.

On the way back from VM stopped at Mabs. Went to where I remember it being (next to Dolce Vita) but it was not there but rather at Prado Junior. Did it move, and when, or was my memory at fault? Walked around and in it: maybe 10-12 women, none doable. One hag with what appeared to be a bad face job tried to get me to go with her but I managed to shake her off.

While I was walking around Mabs, a tout from Cafe Sensoo gave me a flyer. Said there was no entrance fee or minimum consumption, so had him take me there. Confirmed the free look with the doorman so entered. Very dark, maybe 5-6 girls, none all that, maybe a step up from Mabs. Was told there were more girls upstairs but didn't go up. Supposedly usually about 13-14 girls. Takeout fee is 150 Real. Didn't check drink prices but probably usual rip off club prices. Left as I did not see anyone worth the 150 Real takeout fee plus the girl's fee. Might be cheaper than Solarium, depending on how much the girl wants.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2254117]

On the way back from VM stopped at Mabs. Went to where I remember it being (next to Dolce Vita) but it was not there but rather at Prado Junior. Did it move, and when, or was my memory at fault? Walked around and in it: maybe 10-12 women, none doable. One hag with what appeared to be a bad face job tried to get me to go with her but I managed to shake her off.

[/QUOTE]LOL you're thinking about Balcony Bar, yes that has been closed few years now, Mabs as you now know is few blocks up and been in same place for years.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2254059]You must be very skilled noting the lack of security guys, gringos and middleclass locals, girl quality plus the skin color of the visitors, everything without leaving the car. Have fun on your adventures.[/QUOTE]He must have x-ray vision too. I don't think I have ever sessioned with anyone you could see from the street in a car. You have to go explore down the alleys.

[QUOTE=Lievre;2253761]I didn't like Vila Mimosa. I saw no guys looking remotely like security but a lot of drunk black Brazilian guys in groups. All together there were very few girls and much more guys than girls in the little bars (everybody was black, it reminded me of Africa too much, not Brazil).[/QUOTE]In VM the people are the security. No. Need for any paid security because it is a place where people come together to have fun and not to fuck with other people.

I don't know if you know that half of Brazilians are considered Black. The only country that has more Black people than Brazil is Nigeria. That being said, I was not there when you were there and neither do I utilize your eyes. But I have been to VM like 100 times and would never say that everyone was Black or that it reminded me of Africa. Hell, I even posted pictures of the place a couple of weeks ago that displayed an accurate representation of how I have always seen the place.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2254117]Used to frequent Solarium before it became ridiculously expensive, so I have not been there for a few years, but am still on their E-mail list. I got a Black Friday Week offer of 50% off the admission price, so, given the few options in Centro, I went on Saturday evening, figuring I could waste 50 Real or so to see how the club was now. Got there about 8 PM, confirmed the discount on the entrance fee of 110 Real, and saw the price list for services. The rates were unbelievable: the cheapest option, as I recall, being about 440 Real for 40 minutes. I knew right there that I was not going to do a session. I changed and while waiting for the bathroom to become available, glanced at the drink menu: beer at 30 Real and up, and alcohol prices even more. Went upstairs to the lounge. Looked the same as before, with maybe 20-22 girls, some standing around trying to get noticed, others sitting with other girls or some customers, of which there might have been around 15 or so. Most of the girls were Bel Prazer or Dudas standard, with maybe 2 or 3 somewhat better, but no way worth 4 times the price. Some girls made eye contact and wanted to join me but I declined since I did not want to waste their time, since there was no way in hell I was going to session with them. There were a couple of stripteases to full nudity by two girls while I was there, neither of whom were any great shakes. Stayed about an hour and left, which seemed to surprise the receptionists. No need to ever go there again, even with free admission. In short, this is a club for those who are either into conspicuous consumption and get their egos boosted by throwing away money, since they could get the same quality girls for a quarter of the price or better-looking escorts for half the price, or don't know where or how to find the same quality girls at far cheaper alternatives, especially during the week in Centro..[/QUOTE]I like Solarium, it's a good terma, It's one of the places with the best looking girls in Rio de Janeiro. It's better to go there at night from 7 pm. Thursday and Friday are the best days, I ve been to bel prazer and duda and never seen any doable girl. I am Brazilian and I know where I can get the same quality girls. I can fuck hookers cheaper or girls for free. When I am in solarium and find a stunner, I don't mind spending money, the price is not a problem as long as I can afford and have good time. It's still cheaper than in many countries.

Most escorts use fake pics or photoshop pics, it is miss or hit. Maybe you can find some stunner but you never know who you are going to run into. I never trust the pics. I prefer to see girls personally.

Sensoo is more expensive than Solarium.

Now It's time for me to go to 4 by 4 , today there is no entry fee. Only consumption.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2254171]In VM the people are the security. No. Need for any paid security because it is a place where people come together to have fun and not to fuck with other people.

I don't know if you know that half of Brazilians are considered Black. The only country that has more Black people than Brazil is Nigeria. That being said, I was not there when you were there and neither do I utilize your eyes. But I have been to VM like 100 times and would never say that everyone was Black or that it reminded me of Africa. Hell, I even posted pictures of the place a couple of weeks ago that displayed an accurate representation of how I have always seen the place.[/QUOTE]Most Brazilians are white or pardo (Mixed black. Native or. White- native or. White-black and native). There are 40 millions Brazilians of African descent and 14 millions of them are as African as black Africans although some have some ethnic mixing.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2254059]You must be very skilled noting the lack of security guys, gringos and middleclass locals, girl quality plus the skin color of the visitors, everything without leaving the car. Have fun on your adventures.[/QUOTE]Haha, that is funny.

Patience pays off at VM, and definitely not for the "packaged sex" tourist.

Man, I've got a good group of beautiful girl friends I've met there!

But, I actually got out of the car, LOL.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2254059]You must be very skilled noting the lack of security guys, gringos and middleclass locals, girl quality plus the skin color of the visitors, everything without leaving the car. Have fun on your adventures.[/QUOTE]Yes I am.

Obrigado Sperto! Boa sorte para você também!

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2254178]I like Solarium, it's a good terma, It's one of the places with the best looking girls in Rio de Janeiro. It's better to go there at night from 7 pm. Thursday and Friday are the best days, I ve been to bel prazer and duda and never seen any doable girl. I am Brazilian and I know where I can get the same quality girls. I can fuck hookers cheaper or girls for free. When I am in solarium and find a stunner, I don't mind spending money, the price is not a problem as long as I can afford and have good time. It's still cheaper than in many countries..[/QUOTE]I was in Solarium today and was not impressed by the quality. Much worse than any FKK in Europe for the same price or more.

And it's Fucking tiny. Tiny open showers on the ground floor and tiny room upstairs. It costed me 150 teens to get in and have a caipirinha. LOL I guess.

I remember Centaurus paradise twenty years ago and I want to cry.

Brazil is not a good sex destination any longer.

[QUOTE=DonnieBoy12;2253652]Am planning a 1-2 week trip to either of these places. What do you guys recommend? Money is not an issue. I prefer GFE with 8/9/10's. Would like to stay somewhere I feel safe. Leaning towards Rio at this point. How is the escort scene in Rio?[/QUOTE]. If money is not an issue, I'd pick Brasil. However, I'd split my time between Rio and Sao Paulo. No city in the world has better-looking women than Sao Paulo.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2254117]Used to frequent Solarium before it became ridiculously expensive, so I have not been there for a few years, but am still on their E-mail list. I got a Black Friday Week offer of 50% off the admission price, so, given the few options in Centro, I went on Saturday evening, figuring I could waste 50 Real or so to see how the club was now. Got there about 8 PM, confirmed the discount on the entrance fee of 110 Real, and saw the price list for services. The rates were unbelievable: the cheapest option, as I recall, being about 440 Real for 40 minutes. I knew right there that I was not going to do a session. I changed and while waiting for the bathroom to become available, glanced at the drink menu: beer at 30 Real and up, and alcohol prices even more. Went upstairs to the lounge. Looked the same as before, with maybe 20-22 girls, some standing around trying to get noticed, others sitting with other girls or some customers, of which there might have been around 15 or so. Most of the girls were Bel Prazer or Dudas standard, with maybe 2 or 3 somewhat better, but no way worth 4 times the price. [/QUOTE]Yeah same experience I had today. I didn't take any girls upstairs on the second floor (their whole system of cabin for 40 minutes without shower and VIP Rooms for 40 minutes or an hour with showers is retarded) And I didn't like the very small common shower room on the ground floor and the tiny bar room with expensive drinks on the 1st floor (the only room with girls in the terma actually). Not even a TV screen with music or movies there. Zero atmosphere but it was a Monday at 6 pm.

I told the fake blond light-skinned chubby girl (that old Brazilian mongers seem to like in this club) sitting next to me that didn't enjoy the place and she told me that there is a great lively cheap club with a lot of girls P4P in Barra called discoteca Paris or something like that.

She told me that here, it's mostly for older guys to come pick up a girl, go upstairs fuck her (on Viagra) and leave. That's why there is no need for a party atmosphere.

On my way out, I still managed to take the WhatsApp of the only girl I liked in the entire room (Salma Hayek kind of girl).

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2254117] Went to Villa Mimosa about 9:30 PM Sunday night. Dead. Very few girls, ranging from average to horrific, and few guys. Did a walk-through of the place and left. Thought of going into Mosaico but given the time and how dead VM was, figured it would also be dead, so didn't bother.[/QUOTE]Yeah I was there on Sunday at 5 pm and it was also dead. Literally nobody walking around in the streets. Mosaico was closed too.

[QUOTE=Lievre;2254225]I was in Solarium today and was not impressed by the quality. Much worse than any FKK in Europe for the same price or more.

And it's Fucking tiny. Tiny open showers on the ground floor and tiny room upstairs. It costed me 150 teens to get in and have a caipirinha. LOL I guess.

I remember Centaurus paradise twenty years ago and I want to cry.

Brazil is not a good sex destination any longer.[/QUOTE]It is just not Point and Click any more. There is no large Disco with hundreds of girls with an outside bar you can drink and make first contact. The number of termas has been reduced, the quality diminished and the prices higher. You cannot walk the beach and get approached by girls wanting to spend time with you (for a price). You can't call an escort agency and have the phone answered by an English speaker and a decent looking girl show up, whose service is guaranteed, with a book filled with many others.

However, like our Brazilian friend mentioned, there are still many options, you just have to have game and be able to speak Portuguese well enough to charm the locals. If I didn't, I would focus on:

[URL]http://www.terapiasonline.com.br/terapeutas[/URL]

[URL]https://espacoterapias.com.br/terapeutas/[/URL]

Many can be contacted on WhatsApp. Use Google Translate.

Check out forums frequented by the locals.

[URL]https://www.gataurbana.com/blog/forum-gpguia-elite-gpface-cutuca/[/URL]

[URL]https://forumx.com.br/[/URL]

[URL]http://www.gp-guia.net/[/URL]

Open in Google Chrome and turn on translation.

For some of you, this might seem like a lot of work and not worth the effort. I understand. Just trying to give you options. For me, travelling thousands of miles and walking the dank alleys of Vila Mimosa or hanging out with jaded ex-pats and past the expiration date unattractive ladies at Mabs, would not be among them.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2254178]Most escorts use fake pics or photoshop pics, it is miss or hit. Maybe you can find some stunner but you never know who you are going to run into. I never trust the pics. I prefer to see girls personally.[/QUOTE]I still have not finished writing my reports from a couple of weeks ago, but that was completely my experience. But there is hella psychology involved. You get online and talking to a certain chick. You go over there with it in your mind that you are about to get some pussy. You fuck and leave and then think to yourself, "I don't think that was the same chick in the ad. " That escort shit is like a box of chocolates.

Anybody knows if Florida on Praça Mauá still works as a strip-club some weekdays?

There seems to be no recent updates in the forum, just:
[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2221494]Special party in Florida every Sunday, over 60 girls.[/QUOTE]
However when looking at Facebook, "Flórida After", it seems like Sundays are boiola days. Might be that the club works as a regular dance club, "Flórida Club", some weekdays.
I read a few years back that Florida would continue to work as a strip club once or twice/week. Anybody can confirm that?

Hello,

Does anyone have experience with the girls on.

Riosexsite? The pics there are to good to be true.

Probably all fake. They seem to provide incall location.

In Copacabana. Has anybody been there?

Thanks for info.

[QUOTE=Hartswar;2254081]Hello all,

Ill be traveling to Rio (new years time) for the first time and was wondering despite my research In not having luck with locating any good apartments that won't have an issue with bringing back company. ID much prefer a apartment to a hotel just cause I enjoy both privacy and a kitchen. If anyone has any recommendations for apartments or airbnbs you've used before please do let me know. Hopefully I can make it up with some good posts once I get back. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I also found it to be true for nicer apartments, unfortunately. Had to "downgrade" my last stay to be able to bring guests back.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2254279]I still have not finished writing my reports from a couple of weeks ago, but that was completely my experience. But there is hella psychology involved. You get online and talking to a certain chick. You go over there with it in your mind that you are about to get some pussy. You fuck and leave and then think to yourself, "I don't think that was the same chick in the ad. " That escort shit is like a box of chocolates.[/QUOTE]A box of low quality Latino chocolate yeah. The girls are always earlier than on the pictures.

These last few days I tried to have escorts come to my place and I always asked them for some last minute photos on whatsapp. Then they either refused or sent me their real pictures which were not of the same beautiful girl as advertised.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2254319]Anybody knows if Florida on Praa Mau still works as a strip-club some weekdays?

There seems to be no recent updates in the forum, just:

However when looking at Facebook, "Flrida After", it seems like Sundays are boiola days. Might be that the club works as a regular dance club, "Flrida Club", some weekdays.
I read a few years back that Florida would continue to work as a strip club once or twice/week. Anybody can confirm that?[/QUOTE]Florida still organizes straight parties on Sundays or on weekdays, 6 weeks ago there were many guys from Brazilian navy, there were many girls in the club. Florida organizes more gay parties and sometimes regular parties, private parties or strip club parties. It depends on the request. Florida hasn't been working as a strip club for a while. Florida stopped being a only strip club from Monday to Saturday in July 2017.

Based on recent good reports about the place, went on Monday about 8:45 PM. Supposedly a "dose dupla" night, according to the flyer by the entrance downstairs, but it wasn't, just free entrance with 10 Real minimum consumption. Went in and it was dead: I counted 13 girls and 10 other guys in the place. Ordered a beer and looked around but none of the girls were doable for me. Hung around for 10 minutes while I finished my beer and left. Obviously the girls that impressed the previous posters took the night off, so Mondays may not be a good day to visit this place.

That Monday is a bad night was confirmed when I went to 119 Alfandega, looking for the girl I sessioned with last week. She wasn't there and it was pretty empty, with maybe 8 girls, so I left and went to 219 Uruguayana, which further confirmed how bad Mondays are, since I was actually able to get in, and even get a seat. I counted 13 girls and maybe 20 guys, some of them just drinking beer and trying to cop free feels from the girls without actually going to the room (one middle-aged black guy was pawing a young slim black girl for at least 10 minutes until she realized that he wasn't going to session with her and walked away from him. He got another beer and then started trying to paw a dirty blonde but she wasn't receptive to his attempted pawing). I saw 4 girls leave during the 15-20 minutes I was there, so either they made their money quota, or gave up on getting a session there and either went to another boate to try their luck there or went home.

Monger for Sex,

How was 4 x4 Monday night? Also dead? Is that the reason for not charging admission, just consumption?

[QUOTE=Lievre;2254225]I was in Solarium today and was not impressed by the quality. Much worse than any FKK in Europe for the same price or more.

And it's Fucking tiny. Tiny open showers on the ground floor and tiny room upstairs. It costed me 150 teens to get in and have a caipirinha. LOL I guess.

I remember Centaurus paradise twenty years ago and I want to cry.

Brazil is not a good sex destination any longer.[/QUOTE]The beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I hope you will have a good trip in Germany and find your happiness and better performance with Romanian women.

Unfortunately the rooms are not big in Solarium.

[QUOTE=Lievre;2254225]I was in Solarium today and was not impressed by the quality. Much worse than any FKK in Europe for the same price or more.

And it's Fucking tiny. Tiny open showers on the ground floor and tiny room upstairs. It costed me 150 teens to get in and have a caipirinha. LOL I guess.

I remember Centaurus paradise twenty years ago and I want to cry.

Brazil is not a good sex destination any longer.[/QUOTE]I think you went on a wrong night. When I went there it was flooded with stunners. They have some of the most beautiful girls I have seen in a long time. The only thing Solarium is the most expensive termas other than Centaurus. But trust me you will want to spend the money, because I can't think of another place where you will find top notch quality.

I was not impressed by 4 x 4. I think the quality has gone down, and Centarus was a joke, It as expensive as Solarium but the quality is trash. I can find escorts online that look better.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2254480]Based on recent good reports about the place, went on Monday about 8:45 PM. Supposedly a "dose dupla" night, according to the flyer by the entrance downstairs, but it wasn't, just free entrance with 10 Real minimum consumption. Went in and it was dead: I counted 13 girls and 10 other guys in the place. Ordered a beer and looked around but none of the girls were doable for me. Hung around for 10 minutes while I finished my beer and left. Obviously the girls that impressed the previous posters took the night off, so Mondays may not be a good day to visit this place.

That Monday is a bad night was confirmed when I went to 119 Alfandega, looking for the girl I sessioned with last week. She wasn't there and it was pretty empty, with maybe 8 girls, so I left and went to 219 Uruguayana, which further confirmed how bad Mondays are, since I was actually able to get in, and even get a seat. I counted 13 girls and maybe 20 guys, some of them just drinking beer and trying to cop free feels from the girls without actually going to the room (one middle-aged black guy was pawing a young slim black girl for at least 10 minutes until she realized that he wasn't going to session with her and walked away from him. He got another beer and then started trying to paw a dirty blonde but she wasn't receptive to his attempted pawing). I saw 4 girls leave during the 15-20 minutes I was there, so either they made their money quota, or gave up on getting a session there and either went to another boate to try their luck there or went home.[/QUOTE]There is no entry fee in 502 from Monday to Friday. Just 10 reais minimum consumption. As stated, 502 is better from Wednesday to Friday from 7 pm. Monday is a dead day in Centro, even in 4 by4, Cancun and T65, there are less girls. I don't like trash clubs because the entry is free and anybody enter there even guys without money. There were only 40 girls, that's why you don't pay any admission fee on Mondays. Normally there are 70-80 girls in 4 by 4 in other days.

[QUOTE=ExecTalent;2254260]It is just not Point and Click any more. There is no large Disco with hundreds of girls with an outside bar you can drink and make first contact. The number of termas has been reduced, the quality diminished and the prices higher. You cannot walk the beach and get approached by girls wanting to spend time with you (for a price). You can't call an escort agency and have the phone answered by an English speaker and a decent looking girl show up, whose service is guaranteed, with a book filled with many others.

However, like our Brazilian friend mentioned, there are still many options, you just have to have game and be able to speak Portuguese well enough to charm the locals. If I didn't, I would focus on:

[URL]http://www.terapiasonline.com.br/terapeutas[/URL]

[URL]https://espacoterapias.com.br/terapeutas/[/URL]

Many can be contacted on WhatsApp. Use Google Translate.

Check out forums frequented by the locals.

[URL]https://www.gataurbana.com/blog/forum-gpguia-elite-gpface-cutuca/[/URL]

[URL]https://forumx.com.br/[/URL]

[URL]http://www.gp-guia.net/[/URL]

Open in Google Chrome and turn on translation.

For some of you, this might seem like a lot of work and not worth the effort. I understand. Just trying to give you options. For me, travelling thousands of miles and walking the dank alleys of Vila Mimosa or hanging out with jaded ex-pats and past the expiration date unattractive ladies at Mabs, would not be among them.[/QUOTE]That pretty much sums up Rio (at least in Copa) from the way it was and what it is today. Good summary.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;2254482]I think you went on a wrong night. When I went there it was flooded with stunners. They have some of the most beautiful girls I have seen in a long time. The only thing Solarium is the most expensive termas other than Centaurus. But trust me you will want to spend the money, because I can't think of another place where you will find top notch quality.[/QUOTE]Yeah I was definitely there on a slow Monday evening.

But still, out of fifteen girls, I saw only one girl that I wanted to bang (which I did today at my apartment BTW, a Salma Hayek lookalike).

All the other girls were the kind of fake chubby blonds that Brazilians like or some "pretty faces" with fake tits and a high mileage.

Brazil has much more potential than that. Even at Vila Mimosa, you will see prettier young bitches than in Solarium (I don't recommend the place though).

Rio has just gone downhill and very expensive in the last ten years in my opinion. In any FKK in Europe, you will find more beautiful girls for a cheaper price. No need to go to Brazil for that.

[QUOTE=ExecTalent;2254260]It is just not Point and Click any more. There is no large Disco with hundreds of girls with an outside bar you can drink and make first contact. The number of termas has been reduced, the quality diminished and the prices higher. You cannot walk the beach and get approached by girls wanting to spend time with you (for a price). You can't call an escort agency and have the phone answered by an English speaker and a decent looking girl show up, whose service is guaranteed, with a book filled with many others.

However, like our Brazilian friend mentioned, there are still many options, you just have to have game and be able to speak Portuguese well enough to charm the locals..[/QUOTE]Look I speak fluent Portuguese and I can pick up regular Brazilian girls easily but everybody knows it requires a few dates and all this work.

Rio used to be a good and cheap place to have fun with beautiful young girls from all over the country for not much money or often for free if the girls liked you.

It's not like this anymore, next time I will stick to the Dominican republic, Colombia or South East Asia where I have much more fun with pros and non pros for less money.

I guess the free money from the presal oil and gas and the Fast food feminist first world mentality f. A little bit too much with this country.

I came here to matar saudade. E eu matei demais.

Of course I'm still having a good time because I create my own opportunities anywhere in the world but I'm saying objectively:

Rio is not sin city any longer.

[QUOTE=Lievre;2254740]Rio used to be a good and cheap place to have fun with beautiful young girls from all over the country...................
Rio is not sin city any longer.[/QUOTE]Sadly, this has been the case for a long time my friend.

I've been going to Rio for over twenty years. It was monger heaven for the first ten years. Beautiful girls from all over the country converging on Rio to make some cash. The girls weren't jaded and often wouldn't go home if you treated them right. In that time, you could see how the internet was making Rio too popular for foreign men. The World Cup, the Olympics, moralizing politicians and on and on forced the changes.

At one time I would never say this, but now I say if you are solely interested in mongering go to Sao Paulo. Yes, it's a totally urbanized form of mongering (no beach, no major sightseeing, no relaxed atmosphere). However, this is where the beautiful Brazilian girls are working.

[QUOTE=Lievre;2254740]Look I speak fluent Portuguese and I can pick up regular Brazilian girls easily but everybody knows it requires a few dates and all this work.

Rio used to be a good and cheap place to have fun with beautiful young girls from all over the country for not much money or often for free if the girls liked you.

It's not like this anymore, next time I will stick to the Dominican republic, Colombia or South East Asia where I have much more fun with pros and non pros for less money.

I guess the free money from the presal oil and gas and the Fast food feminist first world mentality f. A little bit too much with this country.

I came here to matar saudade. E eu matei demais.

Of course I'm still having a good time because I create my own opportunities anywhere in the world but I'm saying objectively:

Rio is not sin city any longer.[/QUOTE]So why you are complaining if you had good time?

I plan to travel to Thailand in January but I am sure I won't enjoy as much as in Brazil. 1. It's not my country, I am just farang. 2. I don't speak Thai 3. I will only fuck hookers 4. I won't get middle class or upper class girls because they act differently than Brazilian women so I am not used to them, I ll be a total newbie. The way I will act around Thais won't be good to them. 5 My mentality is different than them. Every country is different, Brazil is still a country to monger, there are some places that opened and re-opened. More frequented by locals. You just have to know where and when to go.

I know you want to stick with fucking girls in Copacabana, Help closed down and was not big deal for Brazilian guys only for gringos, Brazil is not Copacabana. Brazil doesn't need foreign tourists to monger in their country. Brazilian women can still make more money from Brazilian guys than gringos. Brazil will never be feminist country. Brazil is a big country with many poor, middle class and upper class people. Some states are richer than others.

I mongered in mexico and Colombia and I still prefer Brazil. 1 I feel more comfortable 2. Better performance 3. I speak Portuguese as a first language 4. Diversity so I can fuck girls of different race. 5. I can date middle and upper class Brazilians.

To me, the best looking women in the world are from Parana, Sao Paulo and Rio Grande do Sul. Maybe because I am from Parana.

Enjoy in Colombia, Thailand and Germany and have good sex. Hope your experience will be better.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2254998]Sadly, this has been the case for a long time my friend.

I've been going to Rio for over twenty years. It was monger heaven for the first ten years. Beautiful girls from all over the country converging on Rio to make some cash. The girls weren't jaded and often wouldn't go home if you treated them right. In that time, you could see how the internet was making Rio too popular for foreign men. The World Cup, the Olympics, moralizing politicians and on and on forced the changes.

At one time I would never say this, but now I say if you are solely interested in mongering go to Sao Paulo. Yes, it's a totally urbanized form of mongering (no beach, no major sightseeing, no relaxed atmosphere). However, this is where the beautiful Brazilian girls are working.[/QUOTE]I don't have Rio for comparison, but I do have the rest of the world, and can say São Paulo is tops in looks and service for me. Those who followed my SP adventures a few months back know that I saw quite a handful of girls. And of the 29 girls I saw this year worldwide (I like to keep track), SP and Campinas girls took 4 of the top 6 spots when I did a ranking. (I would rate 3 of the 4 a 9. 5 in the face (no lie!) and the other an 8. 5 and the service was solid GFE — 7 and up.

So if Rio is going downward, SP / Campinas might be worth a trip (my all time fave Thifany lives in Rio but travels to Campinas to work the club).

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2255086]So why you are complaining if you had good time?

I plan to travel to Thailand in January but I am sure I won't enjoy as much as in Brazil. 1. It's not my country, I am just farang. 2. I don't speak Thai 3. I will only fuck hookers 4. I won't get middle class or upper class girls because they act differently than Brazilian women so I am not used to them, I ll be a total newbie. The way I will act around Thais won't be good to them. 5 My mentality is different than them. [/QUOTE]You have a lot of assumptions never having been to Thailand. Keep an open mind.

1. I live in Thailand. It is not my country. I lived in Brazil before and it was not my country either. I am North American, but the worst day in both places is better than the best day in my country.

2. Portuguese is my third language. Thai is my fifth language. My first day in Brazil I could not say Hello, Portuguese. My first day in Thailand I could not say Hello, in Thai. Did not matter. My first time in both places I had a blast. Pattaya is a tourist and expat town. A lot of people here speak some kind of English.

3. Many freelance hookers here in Thailand are just like they were in Copacabana in the old days. In Pattaya they are cheap and in many cases you have to make them leave. If you plan to only get chicks from bars then that will be a different animal. But when you hang in the discos a lot of chicks have normal jobs in the daytime and there are some chicks that come from Bangkok on the weekends to have fun. You never know what you are going to get.

4. Get on ThaiCupid and you will have no problem meeting middle class women. I have met many. What do you mean they act differently than Brazilian women? You mean to tell me that all Brazilian women act the same? In my experience they do not. They are people, and all people act differently. How do you plan to act around them that will not be good to them? I have been with normal women all over the world that act differently than women from my country. What the fuck does that have to do with anything? My dad told me when in a hoarhouse act like a hoar. That does not mean I will be in the middle of the street doing the same thing. There is a time and place for everything.

5. Everybody's mentailty is different. It does not have all to do with what country they are from. You mean to tell me that because you are Brazilian you have the same mentality as Bolsonaro and the same mentality as Lula?

Why are you assuming what will be wrong with your trip before you even take it?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2255159]You have a lot of assumptions never having been to Thailand. Keep an open mind.
5. Everybody's mentailty is different. It does not have all to do with what country they are from. You mean to tell me that because you are Brazilian you have the same mentality as Bolsonaro and the same mentality as Lula?

Why are you assuming what will be wrong with your trip before you even take it?[/QUOTE]Yeah this Brazilian's guy answer kind of demonstrates a little bit what is wrong with Rio and Brazil in general.

They despise (sex) tourists and think their country is the best in the world anyway. This dude already made a list of everything that he will dislike in Thailand compared to Brazil, without having ever been to Thailand. LOL.

The truth is that I came back to Rio because twenty years ago I had a blast here with feminine thin friendly graceful girls from all over the country, especially making friends and partying with the girls, for reasonable prices or no money at all. These working girls were young, fresh and fun and you could find them everywhere. Of course, nowadays, I could always pick up regular girls but I don't have time for that.

This friendly innocent attitude of garotas de programa is gone now and I won't come back to Rio. Probably So Paulo is much better in that respect. In fact every town in the world which is very touristic and has a sex tourism reputation should be avoided completely, in my experience (except maybe for SEA and the Dominican Republic).

People in Brazil have become more westernized with feminism, fast food and liberal bullshit and it's just not fun for me anymore.

Even though I managed to get pretty girls here, I actually haven't even enjoyed being with them and I'm turning them down.

One last point I want to raise is that people in the streets of Rio have become quite arrogant and aggressive towards foreigners, even low life stinking older women are messing with tourists now.

Probably 16 years of communism flattering the lower classes and telling them they are better than everybody else have had some results. I hope Bolsonaro brings back some order and common sense in this country.

[URL]https://twitter.com/_El_Patriota/status/1063277545871818753?s=07[/URL]

As for progress. Huummmm.

OK, old time Brazilian lovers. Shoot now.

[QUOTE=Lievre;2255498]This friendly innocent attitude of garotas de programa is gone now and I won't come back to Rio... One last point I want to raise is that people in the streets of Rio have become quite arrogant and aggressive towards foreigners, even low life stinking older women are messing with tourists now.[/QUOTE]
A lot of things have changed in Brazil the last decades, for good and bad. The mongering scene have changed a lot in Rio, but it's still very good if you know where to look.

I understand that it can be a shock to come back to Rio after being gone for 20 years (?). You experience that the GPs are less friendly and that the cariocas have become arrogant and aggressive. It could be that you have experienced this because you have changed in these 20 years, not just aging but also in your attitude towards the locals. Personally I find the GPs as lovely and sweet just like 27 years ago and the cariocas just as welcoming and friendly as always.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2255159]You have a lot of assumptions never having been to Thailand. Keep an open mind.

1. I live in Thailand. It is not my country. I lived in Brazil before and it was not my country either. I am North American, but the worst day in both places is better than the best day in my country.

2. Portuguese is my third language. Thai is my fifth language. My first day in Brazil I could not say Hello, Portuguese. My first day in Thailand I could not say Hello, in Thai. Did not matter. My first time in both places I had a blast. Pattaya is a tourist and expat town. A lot of people here speak some kind of English.[/QUOTE]1) I just hope I ll enjoy in Thailand. I just said I still prefer Brazil because I feel more comfortable. I am sure if I had your experience and lived in Thailand for a while, I would prefer Thailand as much as Brazil.

5) sorry I meant culture instead of mentality. For example I can't kiss the girls in public in the bars in Thailand. It's what I've heard from some guys in the Thailand thread.

3) I never know what will happen as you said. I just hope I will enjoy in Thailand.

2) I've never been interested in mongering in Copacabana.

1) I speak zero Thai.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2255571]A lot of things have changed in Brazil the last decades, for good and bad. The mongering scene have changed a lot in Rio, but it's still very good if you know where to look.

I understand that it can be a shock to come back to Rio after being gone for 20 years (?). You experience that the GPs are less friendly and that the cariocas have become arrogant and aggressive. It could be that you have experienced this because you have changed in these 20 years, not just aging but also in your attitude towards the locals. Personally I find the GPs as lovely and sweet just like 27 years ago and the cariocas just as welcoming and friendly as always.[/QUOTE]I was expecting exactly this answer Sperto. Everything is possible but I will not speculate, just go to another country where girls and people are more friendly and loving towards me. It's not that I feel targeted but I feel cariocas in general lost their respect, genuine friendliness and manners these last two decades.

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[QUOTE=Lievre;2255609]I was expecting exactly this answer Sperto. Everything is possible but I will not speculate, just go to another country where girls and people are more friendly and loving towards me. It's not that I feel targeted but I feel cariocas in general lost their respect, genuine friendliness and manners these last two decades.[/QUOTE]Brazilians are not all carioca. You can find many friendly people in other states and even in Rio de Janeiro if you keep away from touristic places. Brazil is a open country unlike many countries.

I don't like Copacabana, I can't stand many people there, but there are many nice cariocas in Rio de janeiro. Maybe this is because Copacabana is the only place for you and you judge people very quickly before knowing them. Because you went to VM you don' get out of the car just because people were black or did not look nice to you. If you judge people that way, don't be surprise you never run into friendly people.

30 reais minimum consumption but the damage was 128 reais for consumption.

200 reais 1 hour (cabin).

Marcela, Performance 8/10, Vaginal sex, BBBJ, DFK and I came twice once while fucking and once in her mouth. She doesn't do Anal but it was OK for me although she let me know before going up and she is my type. Slim white girl with brown hair and brown eyes. I think she is 1.70.

Friday was a busy day in t65 unlike Monday, They closed at 3 am.

[QUOTE=Lievre;2255609]I was expecting exactly this answer Sperto. Everything is possible but I will not speculate, just go to another country where girls and people are more friendly and loving towards me. It's not that I feel targeted but I feel cariocas in general lost their respect, genuine friendliness and manners these last two decades.[/QUOTE]I kind of agree with both of you. Sperto is right. Brazillians are very nice and humble if you treat them with respect and care. However, its 2019 and Brazil scene has as now you are dealing with girls who are born between 1995 to 2001. Welcome to the internet generation who are not slow like the chicks you used to date who are 80's born. They understand their options. They know what they are offering and how much this service cost in 50 other countries. Therefore, its better to just adopt and change with the time. The girls you used to date 20 years ago probably have their grand kids by now. Brazillian are still nice as long as you treat them back nicely with respect.

[QUOTE=Lievre;2254735]Yeah I was definitely there on a slow Monday evening.

But still, out of fifteen girls, I saw only one girl that I wanted to bang (which I did today at my apartment BTW, a Salma Hayek lookalike).

All the other girls were the kind of fake chubby blonds that Brazilians like or some "pretty faces" with fake tits and a high mileage.

Brazil has much more potential than that. Even at Vila Mimosa, you will see prettier young bitches than in Solarium (I don't recommend the place though).

Rio has just gone downhill and very expensive in the last ten years in my opinion. In any FKK in Europe, you will find more beautiful girls for a cheaper price. No need to go to Brazil for that.[/QUOTE]I am finding model type quality in London for the past 3 years for 60 pounds or 250 Reals an hour. Or 20 pounds extra for anal. There are nearly 200 girls available from 18 to 25 and 5'4 to 5'11 tall. Czech, Romanian, Polish, Hungarian. All good girls. To hit Brazil, I have to shell out a plane ticket for almost $1500 than $75 per day apartment than $25 per day taxi expense. The average day in Rio cost me $150 to $200 for the Terma 45 minutes to 1 HR (if 4 x4) than 100 $ plane ticket (1500/14 days trip) than 100 $ accommodation. Almost $400 per day. Whereas, I can get the same fun with super hot European model including BBBJ and even anal for 400 reals or 100 pounds per hour ($125 per hour) instead of $400 per day expense in Rio. I used to go there 4 times per year but now I haven't visited in 2 years because its too expensive and I can find sex and services cheaper with hotter girls than fake boob and dirty blond Brazillians than with real Euro hot teens or early 20's. Nearly all of them do BBBJ and Anal.

[QUOTE=Jubby007;2256785] Whereas, I can get the same fun with super hot European model including BBBJ and even anal for 400 reals or 100 pounds per hour ($125 per hour) instead of $400 per day expense in Rio.[/QUOTE]Super hot or even usual European model (as a profession) do not charge 100 pounds or 125 usd per hour for escorting.

[QUOTE=Jubby007;2256785]I am finding model type quality in London for the past 3 years for 60 pounds or 250 Reals an hour. Or 20 pounds extra for anal. There are nearly 200 girls available from 18 to 25 and 5'4 to 5'11 tall. Czech, Romanian, Polish, Hungarian. All good girls. To hit Brazil, I have to shell out a plane ticket for almost $1500 than $75 per day apartment than $25 per day taxi expense. The average day in Rio cost me $150 to $200 for the Terma 45 minutes to 1 HR (if 4 x4) than 100 $ plane ticket (1500/14 days trip) than 100 $ accommodation. Almost $400 per day. Whereas, I can get the same fun with super hot European model including BBBJ and even anal for 400 reals or 100 pounds per hour ($125 per hour) instead of $400 per day expense in Rio. I used to go there 4 times per year but now I haven't visited in 2 years because its too expensive and I can find sex and services cheaper with hotter girls than fake boob and dirty blond Brazillians than with real Euro hot teens or early 20's. Nearly all of them do BBBJ and Anal.[/QUOTE]That's rather exciting and surprising news. If you are punting that cheap then that must be the only thing cheap in London. With today's weakened pound, that's lower than the average price in Berlin, which is argurably the cheapest spot for punting in Western Europe. Top Quality? That's great. But with the pound so weak versus the Euro, I'm surprised that so many top quality girls wouldn't stay on the continent. And that still begs the question, why do some many Brits go to Berlin or Malaga for punting? Especially when the pound is so weak against the Euro.

But what about us on the other side of the pond? How much does a planet ticket across the Atlantic to the UK cost now? A lot more than it used to be, as LGW and LHR have high landing fees. I can fly to Asia for less, believe it or not. (Used to be the opposite not that long ago) Lodging? Notoriously expensive and unremarkable. Food? Expensive, but I understand its gotten a lot better since I lived there in 1981.

Anyways, I don't like white girls much these days, even the hot East Europeans. The last Hungarian I picked up, I ended up getting married to.

I lived in Rio back in 2011 and rented an apartment from a forum member who had a company called Amerioca Tours. He rented apartments right near Copacabana beach. Is he still around? Is his business still running? I lost touch with him over the years.

[QUOTE=Jubby007;2256785]I am finding model type quality in London for the past 3 years for 60 pounds or 250 Reals an hour. Or 20 pounds extra for anal. There are nearly 200 girls available from 18 to 25 and 5'4 to 5'11 tall. Czech, Romanian, Polish, Hungarian. All good girls. To hit Brazil, I have to shell out a plane ticket for almost $1500 than $75 per day apartment than $25 per day taxi expense. The average day in Rio cost me $150 to $200 for the Terma 45 minutes to 1 HR (if 4 x4) than 100 $ plane ticket (1500/14 days trip) than 100 $ accommodation. Almost $400 per day. Whereas, I can get the same fun with super hot European model including BBBJ and even anal for 400 reals or 100 pounds per hour ($125 per hour) instead of $400 per day expense in Rio. I used to go there 4 times per year but now I haven't visited in 2 years because its too expensive and I can find sex and services cheaper with hotter girls than fake boob and dirty blond Brazillians than with real Euro hot teens or early 20's. Nearly all of them do BBBJ and Anal.[/QUOTE]London is a very expensive city, Where did you find those prices? Germany is the least expensive country when it comes to mongering. Even the performance is not really good. You can find many beautiful women in brothels but 90 per cent are romanian. It's cheap but the performance is left to be desired.

Rio is not the only place to monger in Brazil, there are many beautiful women in Rio de Janeiro, most of them are not hookers. It's normal you only fuck dirty blond brazilians because you only stick to one place, there are many mongering places you just have to know when and where. You need Help club because without help you are lost.

I am Brazilian of middle esastern descent from Parana and work in Rio de Janeiro, I also speak Hebrew and Levantine Arabic as first languages, I will travel to Parana in December, there are clubs with hotter girls than in Rio de Janeiro. Many girls are white european looking. There are many brazilians with natural blond hair and blue eyes. Many German, Italian, Polish and other eastern european Brazilians in Parana and other Brazilian states. I am not really into white Europeans but I also date and have sex with them because there are beautiful women everywhere; I am more into tanned and White-skinned Middle eastern Brazilians with Black or Brown hair with brown, green and blue eyes or brazilians that look like them.

Many Brazilian women don't need to travel to Europe to make money because many Brazilians are able to pay as expensive as Gringos. I travelled to Europe, I found most Brazilian women are not as beautiful as their compatriots in Brazil, most are from northeast although there are some beautiful women from northeast in Brazil. Anyway the beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Today, I will go to Cancun, their atmosphere is slow but they have some new beautiful women.

[QUOTE=Jubby007;2256776]..........They understand their options. They know what they are offering and how much this service cost in 50 other countries. Therefore, its better to just adopt and change with the time. The girls you used to date 20 years ago probably have their grand kids by now. Brazillian are still nice as long as you treat them back nicely with respect.[/QUOTE]Jubby is right on. While the internet, global travel and communication has made the world smaller for mongers, it has also done the same for the girls. The hottest Brazilian girls can still be remarkably kind and passionate, but they are first and foremost in business. Many of them have worked in Europe or have friends that have. I once fucked a top Brazilian babe in Rio who lamented about how much she made just stripping in Miami.

I still think supply and demand is the most important force. The problem is the demand for top girls is global and the local government has restricted supply.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2255571]A lot of things have changed in Brazil the last decades, for good and bad. The mongering scene have changed a lot in Rio, but it's still very good if you know where to look.

I understand that it can be a shock to come back to Rio after being gone for 20 years (?). You experience that the GPs are less friendly and that the cariocas have become arrogant and aggressive. It could be that you have experienced this because you have changed in these 20 years, not just aging but also in your attitude towards the locals. Personally I find the GPs as lovely and sweet just like 27 years ago and the cariocas just as welcoming and friendly as always.[/QUOTE]Yeah maybe I changed after visiting 70 countries and getting old but I didn't have any problem with the GPS I met during this trip. They were very nice and sweet to me, even too interested in me.

My point is that at some point in the past it was very easy to find them at every corner of the street, in any boite, party whatever. I had a blast and it was full fun sin city for me then (like it is today when I visit the Dominican Republic).

Now the problem with the general population becoming more agressive is another thing. The only two other countries were people seriously say that people are very friendly provided you are very friendly too are the worst countries in terms of politeness, xenophobia, education and friendliness of the people in the world: Ethiopia and Ukraine.

Brazil on the other hand was (and still probably is to a certain extent in certain places) a country where people were so nice and friendly naturally that you would yourself change your neutral or negative attitude for the better. I loved it.

I have met a number of women from Parana in Rio and a couple of things stood out.

Even before I spoke Portuguese well, I understood them because they were educated.

Also, they were more responsible and mature (not in age, but attitude). When they told you they would be somewhere at a certain time, they were there.

Because they were from out of town and staying with friends, they were more willing to spend the night in a spacious apartment than a crowded room with other girls.

During all the discussions, on factor is often missing. Consistency. Rarely do you have bad service in Brazil, particularly once you speak Portuguese and can communicate.

At the FKKs, I have had good experiences but it still felt like business. Even in the termas in Rio, the interaction was more natural.

[QUOTE=TheTrooper;2257013]I lived in Rio back in 2011 and rented an apartment from a forum member who had a company called Amerioca Tours. He rented apartments right near Copacabana beach. Is he still around? Is his business still running? I lost touch with him over the years.[/QUOTE]I hear Don packed up and moved back to the US many years ago. Kenn is out of the business too and living away from the coast.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2257149]I hear Don packed up and moved back to the US many years ago. Kenn is out of the business too and living away from the coast.[/QUOTE]I kind of figured. It seemed like Don's business was built on mongering tourists particularly newbies. Kenn's business model was probably pressured by Airbnb, VRBO, etc. I also remember a host of local Brazilian hustlers who tried to make their living off the mongering industry built up around Copacabana. Some were invaluable and some were just some slackers.

I also remember Donn's sister Rhonda who came down when business was booming. She was attractive in her own right. We would sit outside at Terrazzo Atlantica and talk. She seemed to totally understand the scene for us mongers and be completely nonjudgmental.

I went to cancun, I stayed for couple hours, I met Brianna. Dark skinned woman of mixed race (uma mestiça) with black braided hair and black eyes. Pierced pussy (two piercings), pierced tong, pierce navel and one piercing on her nose and pierced tits. With one tatoo on her billy and next to her pussy.

Performance 9/10, she sucks very well and ride very well. She offers BBBJ, vaginal sex and deep french kiss. She also offers anal sex but I did not have anal sex with her. I came twice while fucking her.

There were less women today because it's Monday.

Minimum consumption 80 reais but the damage was 92 reais for the consumption.

300 reais / 1 HR.

Total damage 392 reais.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2257082]Jubby is right on. While the internet, global travel and communication has made the world smaller for mongers, it has also done the same for the girls. The hottest Brazilian girls can still be remarkably kind and passionate, but they are first and foremost in business. Many of them have worked in Europe or have friends that have. I once fucked a top Brazilian babe in Rio who lamented about how much she made just stripping in Miami.

I still think supply and demand is the most important force. The problem is the demand for top girls is global and the local government has restricted supply.[/QUOTE]How long you haven't been to Brazil? The hottest girls are still in Brazil. The Brazilians I have seen in Europe were not as beautiful as the one in Brazil. I visited Sweden, Switzerland, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany, Spain and Portugal. I did not monger there. I only visited club Paradise in Spain and two FKK clubs but I did not session with any girl, they look too professional. , I have seen some Brazilians but I can tell you they are not the best looking Brazilians. I only mongered in Mexico and Columbia. And I only session with a russian hooker in China and a Colombian hooker in Hongkong (payforsex). I hope to hook up with some asians when I am in Thailand in January.

Brazilian hookers are not the best looking Brazilians, in Brazil there are still many good looking brazilian hookers. Brazil is not Mabs.

The government did not restrict supply. Some new brothels will open and Centro is better than 2016 and 2017. It's not because Help and Balcony closed down, it means Brazil is not good for mongering and the government restricted supply.

People must stop living in the past, now it's 2018 soon 2019.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2257200]How long you haven't been to Brazil? The hottest girls are still in Brazil. The Brazilians I have seen in Europe were not as beautiful as the one in Brazil.[/QUOTE]I've been to Brazil in the last two years. I'm afraid you're not following the context of my comment. I'm just saying the hottest girls in Brazil are very aware of what's going around the world. I didn't say the hottest Brazilians were in Europe.

I don't know what Jubby's doing and who he is fucking in Europe. That's another thread.

[QUOTE=ExecTalent;2257145]I have met a number of women from Parana in Rio and a couple of things stood out.

Even before I spoke Portuguese well, I understood them because they were educated.

Also, they were more responsible and mature (not in age, but attitude). When they told you they would be somewhere at a certain time, they were there.

Consistency. Rarely do you have bad service in Brazil, particularly once you speak Portuguese and can communicate.[/QUOTE]Was stationed in Brasil while active duty USN during the late 80's. The irony of which is no one in my unit wanted the assignment. Was told I was "volunteered" because I had a two semesters of Portuguese as an undergrad. Whereas in actuality, the cock bag, buddy fucker SOB detailer assigned me in order to avoid paying a US $500 Super Bowl bet he had lost to me. It was a one man show, I coordinated underway resupplies for USN / UNITAS assets operating in the area. Tough duty but someone had to do it.

Returned for the first time early '2000's after my divorce as therapy. I could probably write a docu-series on how the scene has changed. Fast forward to '15, the int'l shipping firm I work for transfers me to Sao Paulo, which is quite the contrast from Rio. Exec Talent mentioned rarely bad service, I concur with reference to Rio. However, in Sao Paulo, IMHO, you will run into the odd scammer or two or three. The first couple of times you hook up things are totally 100% cool, but then the service begins to gradually list south. When I hit my regular Sampa spots there are chicks that I totally ignore as their service has earned a quintuple zero rating.

As for Parana, I concur. My current fav is from Parana, very hot, no kids, cultured, sophisticated, doesn't speak a word of English (a major plus in my book) & working on her MBA. Fotos are attached.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2257196]I went to cancun, I stayed for couple hours, I met Brianna. She also offers anal sex but I did not have anal sex with her..[/QUOTE]NOTE: They can revoke your visa for refusing anal sex!

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Downandup;2257149]I hear Don packed up and moved back to the US many years ago. Kenn is out of the business too and living away from the coast.[/QUOTE]I never thought he'd leave. I tried to talk to him about a business venture back home and he laughed at the idea at coming back to the States. Well, I hope he's smoking good cigars and drinking some fine Maker's Mark whiskey wherever he is. He was a great guy.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2257263]Returned for the first time early '2000's after my divorce as therapy. I could probably write a docu-series on how the scene has changed. Fast forward to '15, the int'l shipping firm I work for transfers me to Sao Paulo, which is quite the contrast from Rio. Exec Talent mentioned rarely bad service, I concur with reference to Rio. However, in Sao Paulo, IMHO, you will run into the odd scammer or two or three. The first couple of times you hook up things are totally 100% cool, but then the service begins to gradually list south. When I hit my regular Sampa spots there are chicks that I totally ignore as their service has earned a quintuple zero rating[/QUOTE]Sao Paulo is a city with more things to do, more nightlife scene, places close very late unlike Rio de Janeiro. Sao Paulo is the best place to monger or to party in Brazil. There are more options. There are many people from other states and foreign expatriates living in Sao Paulo.

My best fucks with hookers was with working girls from Sao Paulo. I was in Sao Paulo in September for 2 weeks, I sometimes go there. There are mechanical girls in every state even in Rio de Janeiro, you just have to know how to choose the right girl. Odd scam also exists in Rio, many people got scammed there, it is important to go to the right place and choose the right girl.

Everybody had bad experience with girls, even Brazilians. I also had bad experience, we all learn from experience. Everybody starts as a newbie. How we can progress without bad experience unless you are mentalist.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2257263]As for Parana, I concur. My current fav is from Parana, very hot, no kids, cultured, sophisticated, doesn't speak a word of English (a major plus in my book) & working on her MBA. Fotos are attached.
Cheers![/QUOTE]For those feeling the loss of Help, the DJ made me a CD which includes Hotel by Cassidy (featuring are. Kelly).

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKOT6teSarY[/URL]

Sorry, Kcrl01 - in this case, whether she participated or not, I think I would take her friend.

T65 is now open from 4 pm instead of 5 pm.

T65 is also a prive open from 9 am to 4 pm and is a club from 4 pm. They close at 12 am, 1 am, 2 am, 3 am, 4 am, it depends on the move. When you hit the prive, you can talk to the girl you choose in the wiskeria, Only the wiskeria is open when the prive is open. The club and sauna are closed when the prive is open.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2257523]Sao Paulo is the best place to monger or to party in Brazil.[/QUOTE]Yeah, it's now top of my shortlist for Brasil although I wonder if Salvador would be any good? I've heard that Fortaleza is dead now. But if I do SA, the top of my list may be Cartagena, followed by Medellin.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2257582]Yeah, it's now top of my shortlist for Brasil although I wonder if Salvador would be any good? I've heard that Fortaleza is dead now. But if I do SA, the top of my list may be Cartagena, followed by Medellin.[/QUOTE][blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]

If you do Colombia, skip Medellin: plastic girls with attitudes and hordes of tourists. Cali is nice and extremely monger friendly.

If you want to pick up regular girls, stick to Bogota but the weather sucks. Bucaramanga is not worth it. The most beautiful girls I've seen were in Barranquilla but people were not very friendly and it seemed hard to pick up. You'd need good Spanish and minimum 3 weeks there. It's also extremely hot just like Cartagena which I liked quite a lot but it's more touristic and not as relaxed as Cali. The climate in Cali is perfect.

[QUOTE=Lievre;2257610]If you do Colombia, skip Medellin: plastic girls with attitudes and hordes of tourists. Cali is nice and extremely monger friendly.

If you want to pick up regular girls, stick to Bogota but the weather sucks. Bucaramanga is not worth it. The most beautiful girls I've seen were in Barranquilla but people were not very friendly and it seemed hard to pick up. You'd need good Spanish and minimum 3 weeks there. It's also extremely hot just like Cartagena which I liked quite a lot but it's more touristic and not as relaxed as Cali. The climate in Cali is perfect.[/QUOTE]Wow. That is why you go experience places for yourself. I have been to Colombia probably 100 times and our experience is totally different besides the weather. I recommend the first place people go be Medellin. I never see any tourists because I stay downtown. But I guess if you were to stay where tourists stay then that is what you will see. A good rule of thumb is to go to the country homepage and see what city has the most posts. In this case Medellin has over 27,000 and no other city even comes close.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2256980]That's rather exciting and surprising news. If you are punting that cheap then that must be the only thing cheap in London. With today's weakened pound, that's lower than the average price in Berlin, which is argurably the cheapest spot for punting in Western Europe. Top Quality? That's great. But with the pound so weak versus the Euro, I'm surprised that so many top quality girls wouldn't stay on the continent. And that still begs the question, why do some many Brits go to Berlin or Malaga for punting? Especially when the pound is so weak against the Euro.

But what about us on the other side of the pond? How much does a planet ticket across the Atlantic to the UK cost now? A lot more than it used to be, as LGW and LHR have high landing fees. I can fly to Asia for less, believe it or not. (Used to be the opposite not that long ago) Lodging? Notoriously expensive and unremarkable. Food? Expensive, but I understand its gotten a lot better since I lived there in 1981.

Anyways, I don't like white girls much these days, even the hot East Europeans. The last Hungarian I picked up, I ended up getting married to.[/QUOTE]Just today I had an encounter with check 21 years old model 5 8" tall blond Jessica for 45 minutes sex BBBJ, sex veg and than 10 minutes anal for 100 pounds. One of the best sex of my life. I will repeat again on Thursday. Its 400 Reals per hour but at least I don't have to pay for plane ticket or apartment expense. Brazilian girls are all over London to sell sex, My finance MBA classmate is from Ukraine and he gave me some key spots to hit Ukraine which I will go where you get 75 $ 2 hours with sex including anal with models. That's 2002 prices of Brazil. You people need to wise up. There are over 200 countries in this world. Wise up. Anal BBBJ is available in nearly every country. How long you will keep eating Mcdonalds. Change the restaurant. I'm in my early 30's. You have to enjoy life while it last. And I am now starting my Ph. The Program (3 yrs) into a course and trust me I have done my research. I will still come back to Brazil but there are 200 countries. Stop eating the same food for the past 20 years. To each its own. If some people feel it safe than fine keep your options towards Brazil. I am an explorer. I have graduated Brazil now its time for diff taste. To each John its own choice.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2257263]My current fav is from Parana, very hot, no kids, cultured, sophisticated, doesn't speak a word of English (a major plus in my book) & working on her MBA.[/QUOTE]Very fat, not hot! But to each of his own. Cheers!

[QUOTE=Jubby007;2257670]Just today I had an encounter with check 21 years old model 5 8" tall blond Jessica for 45 minutes sex BBBJ, sex veg and than 10 minutes anal for 100 pounds. One of the best sex of my life. I will repeat again on Thursday. Its 400 Reals per hour but at least I don't have to pay for plane ticket or apartment expense. Brazilian girls are all over London to sell sex, My finance MBA classmate is from Ukraine and he gave me some key spots to hit Ukraine which I will go where you get 75 $ 2 hours with sex including anal with models. That's 2002 prices of Brazil. [/QUOTE]Your math is not correct! 100 pounds is 490 reais. First go to Ukraine and get 2 hrs sex including anal with model for 75 usd, then write about it! Not everyone with slim body and small tits is a model.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2257523]................ Sao Paulo is the best place to monger or to party in Brazil. There are more options. ..............[/QUOTE]Sao Paulo is nice but you better speak Portuguese; for those who like to hang out and chill with fellow Americans Rio is better. In all my trips to SP I have never encountered a fellow American. If you go there by yourself you better have some Portuguese language skills or you won't be chatting with anyone.

[QUOTE=Jubby007;2257670]Just today I had an encounter with check 21 years old model 5 8" tall blond Jessica for 45 minutes sex BBBJ, sex veg and than 10 minutes anal for 100 pounds. One of the best sex of my life. I will repeat again on Thursday. Its 400 Reals per hour but at least I don't have to pay for plane ticket or apartment expense. Brazilian girls are all over London to sell sex, My finance MBA classmate is from Ukraine and he gave me some key spots to hit Ukraine which I will go where you get 75 $ 2 hours with sex including anal with models. That's 2002 prices of Brazil. You people need to wise up. There are over 200 countries in this world. Wise up. Anal BBBJ is available in nearly every country. How long you will keep eating Mcdonalds. Change the restaurant. I'm in my early 30's. You have to enjoy life while it last. And I am now starting my Ph. The Program (3 yrs) into a course and trust me I have done my research. I will still come back to Brazil but there are 200 countries. Stop eating the same food for the past 20 years. To each its own. If some people feel it safe than fine keep your options towards Brazil. I am an explorer. I have graduated Brazil now its time for diff taste. To each John its own choice.[/QUOTE]The best looking Brazilians still stay in Brazil, as I said the best looking Brazilians are not hookers, there are many good looking hookers in Brazil. Many people come to Brazil for other reasons. Some people come back not only for mongering reasons. I haven't seen many good looking Brazilians in Europe.

The prices are different in Brazil, there is no fixed price for hookers in Brazil. Reading your post, I can say you don't have much experience in Brazil.

Enjoy in Ukraine.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2257867]Sao Paulo is nice but you better speak Portuguese; for those who like to hang out and chill with fellow Americans Rio is better. In all my trips to SP I have never encountered a fellow American. If you go there by yourself you better have some Portuguese language skills or you won't be chatting with anyone.[/QUOTE]You are right, without Portuguese, your experience is different. I plan to go to Thailand and I know my experience won't be like people speaking some Thai and having travelled there for many years. I will be a total newbie.

Sao Paulo is the best place to monger because there are more options especially if you speak Portuguese.

Sao Paulo is not a touristic city like Rio de Janeiro, it's a city for expatriates. Most foreigners living in Sao Paulo are expatriates not tourists. Brazilian women still make more money from locals than gringos.

Heading to Rio for the first time for a week in January. I've heard from others that an apartment is the way to go. I will probably stay near the beach in Copacabana. Any advice and / or recommendations are appreciated. I'm trying to weigh out the pluses and minuses as far as girl friendly, security, etc. Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2257867]Sao Paulo is nice but you better speak Portuguese; for those who like to hang out and chill with fellow Americans Rio is better. In all my trips to SP I have never encountered a fellow American. If you go there by yourself you better have some Portuguese language skills or you won't be chatting with anyone.[/QUOTE]Announce in the travel section when you will be visiting Sao Paulo and locals can get in touch with you if they like. I was contacted by and met an expat local, a very nice and informed guy, who also introduced me to a couple of ISG members, who I hung around with on occasion, visiting prives and having lunch.

[QUOTE=Lievre;2257610]Deleted by Admin.[/QUOTE]Ok I will rephrase it in a PC way without using Trump's terminology, to avoid censorship: I lived a long time in the best part of Salvador de Bahia: Rio Vermelho and I have many friends who lived in Salvador. It is a place I absolutely dislike: extremely dangerous, ugly except for the hyper touristic historical center Pelourinho and racist towards whites. I lived a long time in many parts of Africa and I prefer Africa, by far.

I would say exactly the same about downtown Medellin.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2257867]Sao Paulo is nice but you better speak Portuguese; for those who like to hang out and chill with fellow Americans Rio is better. In all my trips to SP I have never encountered a fellow American. If you go there by yourself you better have some Portuguese language skills or you won't be chatting with anyone.[/QUOTE]I live in Tampa and I purposely avoid Americans. Was at my fav outdoor bar the other day and two guys were sitting at a table smoking. Smoking is confined to spaces outside the dining area. Approached them and informed them in Portuguese smoking was not allowed. They jokingly responded in English, "Sorry dude, no speak Portuguese. " I responded in my best Afro-American Vernacular English (Ebonics for the laymen) "put out those damn cigarettes before I split yo' wig. " They put out their cigarettes. On the flip side the Brits & Canadians I've run into are cool as fuck!

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2257922]Announce in the travel section when you will be visiting Sao Paulo and locals can get in touch with you if they like. I was contacted by and met an expat local, a very nice and informed guy, who also introduced me to a couple of ISG members, who I hung around with on occasion, visiting prives and having lunch.[/QUOTE]Forgot to add that in Sao Paulo, unlike Rio, you can actually hang around in the clinicas and prives for a while, since they have the space to do so, so if you hear people speaking English, you should be able to talk to them.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2257527]T65 is now open from 4 pm instead of 5 pm.

T65 is also a prive open from 9 am to 4 pm and is a club from 4 pm. They close at 12 am, 1 am, 2 am, 3 am, 4 am, it depends on the move. When you hit the prive, you can talk to the girl you choose in the wiskeria, Only the wiskeria is open when the prive is open. The club and sauna are closed when the prive is open.[/QUOTE]Went there today at 3 PM. Door had a lock on it. Guy sitting outside said the placed opened at 4 PM and the prive was gone.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2257912]You are right, without Portuguese, your experience is different. I plan to go to Thailand and I know my experience won't be like people speaking some Thai and having travelled there for many years. I will be a total newbie.

Sao Paulo is the best place to monger because there are more options especially if you speak Portuguese.

Sao Paulo is not a touristic city like Rio de Janeiro, it's a city for expatriates. Most foreigners living in Sao Paulo are expatriates not tourists. Brazilian women still make more money from locals than gringos.[/QUOTE]When it comes to hookers who has the best looking girls? Rio De Janerio or Sao Paulo?. I'm curious because I went on this escort site like backpage and it seems the better looking women are in Sao Paulo. I never been to Sao Paulo? Is the performance the same?

I also believe they make more money from locals. Last time I was in Rio. Alot of Girls were telling me they are heading to Sao Paulo because Rio is dry right now. I heard Sao Paulo is a business district.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2258082]Went there today at 3 PM. Door had a lock on it. Guy sitting outside said the placed opened at 4 PM and the prive was gone.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the clarification. So they stopped working as a prive recently. I went to their prive two weeks ago, it was open from 9 am. I normally hit T65 from 7 pm.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2258040]I live in Tampa and I purposely avoid Americans.[/QUOTE]That must be hard, but maybe there are a lot of nice tourists visiting Florida.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2258217]That must be hard, but maybe there are a lot of nice tourists visiting Florida.[/QUOTE]I actually typed "Sampa" but the auto spell check changed it to "Tampa. " LOLLS.

Just in case it does it again: the "T" in Tampa should of been an "S. " LOLLS.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2221239]Amazing how people imagine a business person saying I am going to open up a disco for all the hookers to come to. And it is even more amazing they think this would be accepted by the members of the community. Would it be accepted in yours? Either you don't know shit about business and/or you have been in this hobby too long and have lost touch with the real world. (Seriously, what are they supposed to put when they apply for the license? How are they to advertise the place? TV advert: Hookers and tricks, come meet up at my brand new disco built just for you?) As you said, shit just morphs that way with no intention. The Help knockoff that opened up with that intention lasted all of 2 weeks.[/QUOTE]Ah Help Disco! What fond memories I have of help back in the early 2000's. I've been all over the world but nothing quite like it. I used to go there many times each month. You have to remember that although Help was full of GDP's, it really operated like a Disco. People forget the girls had to pay to enter just like the guys did! I became friends with many girls that worked there and the busier ones would pay the cover up to 3 or 4 times each night to enter again. The owner rightly claimed that it was just a disco and both men and women had to pay a cover to enter and they couldn't control what the girls did privately.

I will be back in Rio on Wed Dec 12 for 10 days. This will be my trip 5 this year and over 15 in the last 4 years. I am not loaded but divorced and doing my best to spend my kids inheritance. This is the only site were I get info on RIO. In my life I have traveled all over the world and in each country I Have visited brothels but Brazil is different. As I get older brothers seem less interesting. The idea of selecting a chica from a lineup and spending an hour with her in a small room doesn't do it for me. I like to have my time with a chica in my hotel room. Start with a glass of wine and maybe a snack then. Well you know the rest. Before each trip I read several past reports. My question is why do so many members talk of MABS the way they do. Unlike some members I like to sit in a place, have a few beers and check out the possibilities. If I don't like someone then I don't make eye contact. For the members that say MABS chicas are the scum of the earth or worst, If you don't like the place then just don't go there.

[QUOTE=Kcrl02;2236897]Age & physical condition is a moot issue. The only thing & most significant thing is what's in your wallet? $$.[/QUOTE]I agree with this statement about GDP's in general and especially termas. But back in the day at Help Disco there were tons of girls that wouldn't leave with you unless they were attracted to you and you were willing to pay them. I have an apartment around the street from the old Help Disco so I'd go in there every night. I would laugh when I saw guys getting shot down left and right. I really miss that place. Sure, many of the girls would just go with you because you had $$ but the hottest girls many times you had to have some "game" as well.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;2258095]When it comes to hookers who has the best looking girls? Rio De Janerio or Sao Paulo?. I'm curious because I went on this escort site like backpage and it seems the better looking women are in Sao Paulo. I never been to Sao Paulo? Is the performance the same?

I also believe they make more money from locals. Last time I was in Rio. Alot of Girls were telling me they are heading to Sao Paulo because Rio is dry right now. I heard Sao Paulo is a business district.[/QUOTE]Sao Paulo is the best place when it comes to the best looking hookers. There are more options. I monger in Rio de Janeiro because I work here. There are more clubs, more prives and more freelancers in SP. The brothels are also open on weekends. Many girls from different states. The performance is the same, it depends on the girl you choose. If you can choose the right girls in Rio de Janeiro, you won't have trouble in SP. Just be nice but not too nice and generous. Act like a male and be a bit machista. Speaking portuguese is a big plus. Never talk to a girl about her mistakes. For example if she comes late. Brazilian girls don't like to be lectured. Make her talk about her even if you don't care. Show you are in a place to fuck a girl, don't show you are in a place to fuck a specific girl. That means if the girl is not nice enough or she is too profesional, you don't care because there are many other girls to choose. Talk directly to the girl you like, never wait. Talking is just talking. Talking doesn't mean you will fuck.

I fucked the best looking hookers and normal girls in Sao Paulo and Parana. Many middle eastern, and asian Brazilians. You can find more girls of different race in SP.

As I see, you posted many reports, so you have experience in Rio, so I am sure you will have good experience in SP if you had good experience in Rio.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;2258095]When it comes to hookers who has the best looking girls? Rio De Janerio or Sao Paulo?. I'm curious because I went on this escort site like backpage and it seems the better looking women are in Sao Paulo. I never been to Sao Paulo? Is the performance the same?

I also believe they make more money from locals. Last time I was in Rio. Alot of Girls were telling me they are heading to Sao Paulo because Rio is dry right now. I heard Sao Paulo is a business district.[/QUOTE]If you go to Brazil next time, just do both, it is not expensive to travel to SP from Rio de janeiro. Cheap tickets are between 150 and 250 reais by air (return ticket) some agencies have some discounts sometimes if you travel to the south or North of Brazil. I went to Manaus in August for 720 reais (return ticket) and Sao Paulo in September for 210 reais (return ticket).

[QUOTE=GdlDallas;2259118]..............But back in the day at Help Disco there were tons of girls that wouldn't leave with you unless they were attracted to you and you were willing to pay them. I have an apartment around the street from the old Help Disco so I'd go in there every night. I would laugh when I saw guys getting shot down left and right. I really miss that place. Sure, many of the girls would just go with you because you had $$ but the hottest girls many times you had to have some "game" as well.[/QUOTE]Yes, you definitely could get shot down at Help Disco. I suspect that is true of any freelancer bar and club anywhere in the world. The hot girls knew they would always snag a fish so why not a relatively attractive and fun one. Many of the girls liked to have someone buy them drinks, make them laugh and dance with them. I suppose it made the girls' job easier if there was some connection.

My posse in the old days were a group of fun guys in their 30 and early 40's. We could play off each other with our joking and vibe. Having said that, too many guys would come back from their Rio exploits like they were some kind of stud and all the Brasileiras loved them. That is a silly side of the mongering scene that you see once in awhile.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2259221]Yes, you definitely could get shot down at Help Disco. I suspect that is true of any freelancer bar and club anywhere in the world. The hot girls knew they would always snag a fish so why not a relatively attractive and fun one. Many of the girls liked to have someone buy them drinks, make them laugh and dance with them. I suppose it made the girls' job easier if there was some connection.

My posse in the old days were a group of fun guys in their 30 and early 40's. We could play off each other with our joking and vibe. Having said that, too many guys would come back from their Rio exploits like they were some kind of stud and all the Brasileiras loved them. That is a silly side of the mongering scene that you see once in awhile.[/QUOTE]So true and I have seen this quirky behavior not only in Rio but other mongering places as well in the world.

I also agree on the scene at the old Help as I was there on 2 visits back in the day, 2000 and 2001, my Help girl was fun fun fun and had, as I recall now, her pick who she wanted to party and dance with at the club then leave with for the night, she chose me. I still reminisce about her and hope that she is doing good over the past 18 years. I must admit but this does not happen often but once in a decade but I almost fell in love with her. Wish her well as she was a great gal.

OK enough with this BS love shit as I will be back in my backyard garden of Medellin this week and staying over the holidays and new year!

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2259194]Sao Paulo is the best place when it comes to the best looking hookers. There are more options. I monger in Rio de Janeiro because I work here. There are more clubs, more prives and more freelancers in SP. The brothels are also open on weekends. Many girls from different states. The performance is the same, it depends on the girl you choose. If you can choose the right girls in Rio de Janeiro, you won't have trouble in SP. Just be nice but not too nice and generous. Act like a male and be a bit machista. Speaking portuguese is a big plus. Never talk to a girl about her mistakes. For example if she comes late. Brazilian girls don't like to be lectured. Make her talk about her even if you don't care. Show you are in a place to fuck a girl, don't show you are in a place to fuck a specific girl. That means if the girl is not nice enough or she is too profesional, you don't care because there are many other girls to choose. Talk directly to the girl you like, never wait. Talking is just talking. Talking doesn't mean you will fuck.

I fucked the best looking hookers and normal girls in Sao Paulo and Parana. Many middle eastern, and asian Brazilians. You can find more girls of different race in SP.

As I see, you posted many reports, so you have experience in Rio, so I am sure you will have good experience in SP if you had good experience in Rio.[/QUOTE]OK. Thanks for the great advice. Its also cheaper to fly to Sao Paulo from USA then to Rio!. I will try to get a AirBnb and keep you guys posted.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;2259602]OK. Thanks for the great advice. Its also cheaper to fly to Sao Paulo from USA then to Rio!. I will try to get a AirBnb and keep you guys posted.[/QUOTE]My experiences w / Airbnb in Rio have been less than commendable. My advice, find you a chick friendly hotel and just make sure you tip the desk clerk when you're pulling a honey back to the spot at 03:00!

I sessioned with Emelia, white girl with light brown hair and blue eyes, she has white Caucasian features, she is slim and 6 feet 1, her legs are very beautiful. She is from Sao Paulo (Sao Vicente). She is 23 years old.

She told me she is of Italian descent and was born in Sao Vicente, she only stays few days before going back to the capital of Sao Paulo (Sao Paulo). She works as a model but need to make money by working as a garota de programa because she doesn't earn enough. Blabla. She gave me her phone number so that I contact her when I come back to Brazil. I rarely take working girls phone number I already fucked.

Performance 9. 5/10, BBBJ, vaginal sex, DFK and CIM. I did not fuck her butt although I was tempted. Her pussy was well shaved with few hair well cut, beautiful pussy, very wet.

She only stayed with me, We stayed 6 hours together in total, downstairs and in the bedroom. That kind of girl not common in Rio de Janeiro.

Twice in sultao suite (2 x 580 reais 90 minutes).

Damage: 1520 reais.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2260416] She gave me her phone number so that I contact her when I come back to Brazil. I rarely take working girls phone number I already fucked. .[/QUOTE]Small correction: come back to Sao Paulo instead of Brazil.

I hit 502 from 8 pm, very busy day, many girls.

Minimum consumption: 10 reais but the damage was 40 reais for consumption.

I sessioned with Cacau, small slim black girl with braided hair and small bubble butt, she is 18 yr old.

Service: vaginal sex, DFK, BBBJ.

Performance: 8/10 She rode me very well and suck and kiss very well. She doesn't offer anal sex and CIM.

She asked me for a tip after I came on her mouth. I just answered I ll buy a pack of cigarettes for her downstairs but she did not get her pack. When I was downstairs I left because I've some stuff to do. I ll buy cigarettes for her next time if she doesn't forget.

The damage was 150 reais for 30 minute.

I still have to fuck one girl before having one free fuck. After 10 fucks in 502, you get one free fuck. I have to keep my fidelity card safe so that I don't lose my stamps.

I hit t65 from 8 pm, it was a busy day, many girls there was a small concert in the third floor (club). Some people singing.

30 reais minimum consumption but the damage was 88 reais.

I sessioned with Larissa.

Damage: 240 reais one hour in a suite. Fortunately I still have some discount cards I received in October. Everytime I hit t65, I recieve 10 percent discount.

Service: BBBJ, vaginal sex, anal sex, DFK.

Piercing: pussy, tongue and novel.

Performance: 8/10. I came twice, once while fucking her butthole and once in her mouth. She offers anal sex in any position.

She is morena clara with smooth black hair and brown eyes, she is very curvy, she has a very huge natural ass with big natural legs and normal size tits, she has abs. , she is kind of tall, I think she is 1. 74. She works out very often. She is 31.

She is from Rio de Janeiro, a carioca. I was a bit confused in the beginning because she speaks like someone from Minas Gerais. She told me she lived 15 years in Belo Horizonte.

Total Damage: 328 reais but I paid 297 reais because I still have some discount cards.

I'm in Rio this week and am interested in meeting fellow mongers. Send me a PM if you want to hang out or swap notes.

Hi gents.

Looking for your views on best place to stay in Rio. I have always stayed at the entrance to Ipenema or half way along Copocabana near siquera Campos.

I would like to give a new area a try but do like the beach. Anyone got a view on the subject. I am open to suggestions, but don't fancy being inside a favela. Last time I was in Rio I clearly heard a lot of gunfire coming from them!!

Regards.

[QUOTE=Jubby007;2257670]Just today I had an encounter with check 21 years old model 5 8" tall blond Jessica for 45 minutes sex BBBJ, sex veg and than 10 minutes anal for 100 pounds. One of the best sex of my life. I will repeat again on Thursday. Its 400 Reals per hour but at least I don't have to pay for plane ticket or apartment expense. Brazilian girls are all over London to sell sex, My finance MBA classmate is from Ukraine and he gave me some key spots to hit Ukraine which I will go where you get 75 $ 2 hours with sex including anal with models. That's 2002 prices of Brazil. You people need to wise up. There are over 200 countries in this world. Wise up. Anal BBBJ is available in nearly every country. How long you will keep eating Mcdonalds. Change the restaurant. I'm in my early 30's. You have to enjoy life while it last. And I am now starting my Ph. The Program (3 yrs) into a course and trust me I have done my research. I will still come back to Brazil but there are 200 countries. Stop eating the same food for the past 20 years. To each its own. If some people feel it safe than fine keep your options towards Brazil. I am an explorer. I have graduated Brazil now its time for diff taste. To each John its own choice.[/QUOTE]You seem awfully proud of yourself. But, back when I was in my early 30's, I didn't have to pay for sex.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2263615]You seem awfully proud of yourself. But, back when I was in my early 30's, I didn't have to pay for sex.[/QUOTE]I didn't either, but it certainly made things less complicated.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2263615]You seem awfully proud of yourself. But, back when I was in my early 30's, I didn't have to pay for sex.[/QUOTE]I don't see how this is considered a put down on a "monger" site. Personally I think paying at any age is a viable option and many time a preferable option independent of ones ability to get sex for "free". First of all free is seldom if ever "free" as there is the date cost, the wooing cost, the emotional cost, the opportunity cost p, a myriad of "costs" even in so called "free" sex. Second there are a myriad of thrills that one might get from a paid encounter that are seldom available in a free encounter, some of which are "by definition" only available in the "paid" encounter. Third, some of us mongers don't pay for the sex, we pay for the right to leave after the sex without any baggage, or overhead.

Frankly, I found the original post irritating as well but the last thing one monger should criticise another monger for, regardless od age is "mongering".

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2263615]You seem awfully proud of yourself. But, back when I was in my early 30's, I didn't have to pay for sex.[/QUOTE]When I was in my early 30's I would date civilians but most times when they didn't put out I'd go look for p4p.

I pay for sex and fuck girls for free, I am 31 and Brazilian. This week I got laid with my colleague. I am now in Parana and am dating a girl. I still spend money when I don't pay cash for sex.

There is no age when it comes to paying for hooker.

I know many guys in Brazil over 50 who still fuck girls without exchanging cash money. In any country, even if you don't pay for sex, you still have to pay for the girl like restaurant, cinema, hotel and many other things.

You won't spend anything if you are a hot young guy and only fuck grannies and middle aged women.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2264681]I pay for sex and fuck girls for free, I am 31 and Brazilian. This week I got laid with my colleague. I am now in Parana and am dating a girl. I still spend money when I don't pay cash for sex.

There is no age when it comes to paying for hooker.

I know many guys in Brazil over 50 who still fuck girls without exchanging cash money. In any country, even if you don't pay for sex, you still have to pay for the girl like restaurant, cinema, hotel and many other things.

You won't spend anything if you are a hot young guy and only fuck grannies and middle aged women.[/QUOTE]I do the same thing, except I am not 31, Brazilian and not doing that with the colleagues Note that here in the forum, the members are mostly North Americans (Canada included) and over half century old with not the best outlook but with financial resources to pay for sex and for vitamins (it is like a Prozac or Xanax for breakfast, lunch and dinner, cannot avoid). Therefore we are in a different positions and not comparable with majority, because for them free sex is like a fairy tail but they are too picky to have a free sex with grannies.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2264432]I don't see how this is considered a put down on a "monger" site. Personally I think paying at any age is a viable option and many time a preferable option independent of ones ability to get sex for "free". First of all free is seldom if ever "free" as there is the date cost, the wooing cost, the emotional cost, the opportunity cost p, a myriad of "costs" even in so called "free" sex. Second there are a myriad of thrills that one might get from a paid encounter that are seldom available in a free encounter, some of which are "by definition" only available in the "paid" encounter. Third, some of us mongers don't pay for the sex, we pay for the right to leave after the sex without any baggage, or overhead.

Frankly, I found the original post irritating as well but the last thing one monger should criticise another monger for, regardless od age is "mongering".[/QUOTE]Let me be clear, I wasn't putting anyone down or criticizing anyone or putting them down for paying for sex when there are in their early 30's. I recall doing it once for the experience in my early 30's. I did it again while in transit to Eastern Europe at FRA. I was having good luck with East European girls then, but if you had some hours to kill, it was fun to take the S-Bahn to the Hauptbahnhof and visit the Eros Center. I was probably in my late 30's, maybe early 40's by then. So, I can't put anyone down for P4P sex in their 30's. I was simply putting things into perspective, in regards to their hubris.

When someone brags "Anal BBBJ is available in nearly every country. How long you will keep eating Mcdonalds. Change the restaurant. I'm in my early 30's. You have to enjoy life while it last. And I am now starting my Ph. The Program (3 yrs) into a course and trust me I have done my research. " I have to ask, if you are such a genius that you need to tell us about your PhD program and how you are so much clever than the rest of the forum, then why can't you figure out how to get all this awesome sex for free? Now, I'm no rocket scientist, but I did fuck girls in the ass in both the US and the UK without paying them. They were called girlfriends. I didn't brag about screwing my girlfriends in the ass, so why brag about screwing a hooker in the ass? After all, your early 30's is a great time for getting free sex with younger women, but you are about to fall into a bracket where you are too old for the younger women and the women closer to you age are hooked up and married. I found that out the hard way as I got older. Early 30's is not yet the time to be a serious monger.

And for the record, I found the idea of a UK as a economical punting paradise stretches the limits of credulity. If that was true, why is the Costa del Sol forum and the German forums so heavily contributed to by Brits? The costs are all wrong. Western Europe and the UK are expensive places. That's why so many Europeans go punting on different continents.

And as for the true expense of "free sex", you don't need to explain that to me. I have to write a monthly check for 20% of my pre-tax income over to my ex in the name of child support. But, had I turned towards P4P sex about 30 years ago, I would have missed out on priceless experiences and adventures that a WG would never have delivered.

[QUOTE=Traveller44;2264720]I do the same thing, except I am not 31, Brazilian and not doing that with the colleagues Note that here in the forum, the members are mostly North Americans (Canada included) and over half century old with not the best outlook but with financial resources to pay for sex and for vitamins (it is like a Prozac or Xanax for breakfast, lunch and dinner, cannot avoid). Therefore we are in a different positions and not comparable with majority, because for them free sex is like a fairy tail but they are too picky to have a free sex with grannies.[/QUOTE]Are you actually making a point with this post? The only part that is clear is that you are not 31. Congratulations.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2264432]I don't see how this is considered a put down on a "monger" site. Personally I think paying at any age is a viable option and many time a preferable option independent of ones ability to get sex for "free". First of all free is seldom if ever "free" as there is the date cost, the wooing cost, the emotional cost, the opportunity cost p, a myriad of "costs" even in so called "free" sex. Second there are a myriad of thrills that one might get from a paid encounter that are seldom available in a free encounter, some of which are "by definition" only available in the "paid" encounter. Third, some of us mongers don't pay for the sex, we pay for the right to leave after the sex without any baggage, or overhead.

Frankly, I found the original post irritating as well but the last thing one monger should criticise another monger for, regardless old age is "mongering".[/QUOTE]Let's not overdo how superior "paid" sex is over "free" sex. It's pretty damn exciting when you seduce a woman for the first time and she sheds her clothes for you. It's even better when you find out a "civilian" is a great performer.

I also found the original post irritating and bizarre. For some reason, guys pop up on various city/country threads to tout some other location that they alone have mastered. Many times it's gibberish. Beautiful women taking it up the ass for cheap, blah, blah, blah.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2265033]Let's not overdo how superior "paid" sex is over "free" sex. It's pretty damn exciting when you seduce a woman for the first time and she sheds her clothes for you. It's even better when you find out a "civilian" is a great performer.

I also found the original post irritating and bizarre. For some reason, guys pop up on various city/country threads to tout some other location that they alone have mastered. Many times it's gibberish. Beautiful women taking it up the ass for cheap, blah, blah, blah.[/QUOTE]I think you misinterpreted my point which was to counter the implicit argument that free sex was 'superior'. I said "I think paying at any age is a viable option and many time a preferable option independent of ones ability to get sex for "free".

I did not say or mean to imply it was superior in "every" respect, nor in every situation. I just said it has its advantages, and those advantages are applicable at any age and even for guys that can get plenty of freebies. I have had relationship sex, friend with benefits sex, tinder sex, swinger sex, and P4P. They all have their respective pros and cons.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2264799]Are you actually making a point with this post? The only part that is clear is that you are not 31. Congratulations.[/QUOTE]You can write the same sentences as reply to any of my post. Explained why you keep paying with direct money payments or gifts instead of getting good looking girls because the good look and / or charm.

If you want to receive 'No' from uglies that even you would not fuck for money, fly to Gambia. There are plenty of those from North and West Europe LOL.

Feliz Natal Traveller44.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2265741]Feliz Natal Traveller44.[/QUOTE]Igualmente!

Rio will as always have a great New Years celebration. In Copacabana there will be several bands playing on the stages on the beach.

Banda de Ipanema
Marco Vivian
DJs Cat Dealers
Baby do Brasil
Gilberto Gil
Queima de fogos
Ludmilla
DJ Dakid
GRES Beija-Flor de Nilópolis
DJ - Encerramento
[URL]http://www.rio.rj.gov.br/web/guest/exibeconteudo?id=8901303[/URL]

I would love to see Gilberto Gil, but this year I'll spend New Year in Nordeste.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2265945]Rio will as always have a great New Years celebration. In Copacabana there will be several bands playing on the stages on the beach.

Banda de Ipanema
Marco Vivian
DJs Cat Dealers
Baby do Brasil
Gilberto Gil
Queima de fogos
Ludmilla
DJ Dakid
GRES Beija-Flor de Nilpolis
DJ - Encerramento
[URL]http://www.rio.rj.gov.br/web/guest/exibeconteudo?id=8901303[/URL]

I would love to see Gilberto Gil, but this year I'll spend New Year in Nordeste.[/QUOTE]Remember your beer girl foot from '08, this is her in '12. Damn, I can't wait for Carnaval!

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2266132]Remember your beer girl foot from '08, this is her in '12. Damn, I can't wait for Carnaval![/QUOTE]Here are the photos:

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2266132]Remember your beer girl foot from '08, this is her in '12. Damn, I can't wait for Carnaval![/QUOTE]
I doubt it's the same girl, even though they are similar. The girl in the carnival costume has a wider face and a heavier/stronger body structure.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2266299]I doubt it's the same girl, even though they are similar. The girl in the carnival costume has a wider face and a heavier/stronger body structure.[/QUOTE]Dude,

You got to factor in it was four years later. She's heavy into Brazilian Ju Jitsu so she started working out and had some serious muscle gains. Also, I was dating her cousin in '08 and I met her in person.

Cheers.

[URL]http://www.onixterapias.com/[/URL]

Went here for a foursome with Agatha, Jennifer and Patsy. 500 reais for the hour. Great service and the sight of two girls sucking my cock and the other kissing me will stay for a long time. If you want just one girl, Agatha is the good looking one (but toothy blow job) while Patsy is the filthiest 🙂.

Incredible value!

[QUOTE=IAmYourFather5;2266436][URL]http://www.onixterapias.com/[/URL]

Went here for a foursome with Agatha, Jennifer and Patsy. 500 reais for the hour. Great service and the sight of two girls sucking my cock and the other kissing me will stay for a long time. If you want just one girl, Agatha is the good looking one (but toothy blow job) while Patsy is the filthiest &#128578[/QUOTE]Did you by any chance see Kelly? Kelly's a doll in the photos.

Will be in Rio most of January and some of February. Sent a a stamped letter with cash covered by paper. Can't remember the last letter I sent anyone. I felt like a North Korean trying to get word to the outside world. " To whoever reads this letter the Americans Puritans made it nearly impossible for me to get laid and sometimes they straddle me with a Fuglies! Surviving on masturbation. Please use the $25 to further the cause -please send help!!

So far no access. I'm patient I understand insurgency has its risks. Been staying up to date on all the posts last couple weeks. Thank you all that contributed and a few of you that made me laugh! Anticipation is a large part of the joy for me. Seems like everything is pretty much the same as it was when I was there last 3 years ago. Perhaps more crime. But hey I'm single, no kids. Not overly worried. Only my dog would miss me. And they have short memories.

Feel free to send a PM if looking for a fellow patriots to chill with- think this trip 5 - hell you can even PM me if your Canadian or English I forgive you. Ill reply when the Great OZ grants me access.

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Does anyone know if this hotel has reopened? I think it closed around 2016 due to the financial crisis but I saw some reference to it a couple of months ago. It was always a good option for punters leaving Mabs or Kalabria.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2266552]Did you by any chance see Kelly? Kelly's a doll in the photos.[/QUOTE]Nope she didn't seem to be around when I got in touch with Onyx.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2266212]Here are the photos:[/QUOTE]What is the story about the blonde and her nose in the first photo?

[QUOTE=TheWatcher;2268049]What is the story about the blonde and her nose in the first photo?[/QUOTE]I really don't know it's Sperto's foto. I was dating the first girl's cousin at the time, saw the foto of her and downloaded. Noticed the blonde chick's nose later. Maybe it's a costume or it's photoshopped. Hoping for her sake it's not real!

[QUOTE=Rocinha;2267394]Does anyone know if this hotel has reopened? I think it closed around 2016 due to the financial crisis but I saw some reference to it a couple of months ago. It was always a good option for punters leaving Mabs or Kalabria.[/QUOTE]It's still closed.

Men,

And women who love women:

This is what we call a warning order.

If you are going to be in Rio and / or SP in the next 60 days, PM me your zap (whatsapp). I will be forming up a group of merry mongers along with GringeJeffe (the monger formerly known as Sunkistday). We will be executing a detailed operational plan to penetrate the asses of the best Cariocas, with possible professional assistance from one of Buttman's best directors.

Carry on the normal worthless chatter.

Semper Gumby,

Vagabundo sends.

[QUOTE=GringoJeffe;2266890]Will be in Rio most of January and some of February. Sent a a stamped letter with cash covered by paper. Can't remember the last letter I sent anyone. I felt like a North Korean trying to get word to the outside world. " To whoever reads this letter the Americans Puritans made it nearly impossible for me to get laid and sometimes they straddle me with a Fuglies! Surviving on masturbation. Please use the $25 to further the cause -please send help!!

So far no access. I'm patient I understand insurgency has its risks. Been staying up to date on all the posts last couple weeks. Thank you all that contributed and a few of you that made me laugh! Anticipation is a large part of the joy for me. Seems like everything is pretty much the same as it was when I was there last 3 years ago. Perhaps more crime. But hey I'm single, no kids. Not overly worried. Only my dog would miss me. And they have short memories.

Feel free to send a PM if looking for a fellow patriots to chill with- think this trip 5 - hell you can even PM me if your Canadian or English I forgive you. Ill reply when the Great OZ grants me access.[/QUOTE]

40 sheep, 3 wolves.

[URL]https://riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/rio-politics/tourists-are-robbed-at-gun-point-on-rios-corcovado-trail/[/URL]

[QUOTE=GringoJeffe;2266890]Will be in Rio most of January and some of February. Sent a a stamped letter with cash covered by paper. Can't remember the last letter I sent anyone. I felt like a North Korean trying to get word to the outside world..[/QUOTE]North Korea has the model government for the US politicians. Why are you surprised that things are gradually moving in that direction?

Hi all,

Being recently single I really want to go to Argentina and Brazil in the first half of 2019. I can't go after this because of personal reasons (I might be in another serious relationship, just a gut feeling). So being a bit a nerd, I really wanted to see the Total Solar Eclipse from Argentina on 2nd July 2019. There's a Contiki for Buenos Aires to Rio de Janeiro from 1-9 July, and being 35, the cutoff age, I thought this would be a good idea to see the eclipse and experience a Contiki at the same time.

However, since I can't be as "single and free" as I can be after this, I am really thinking about it from a boys trip perspective and want to enjoy seeing the beautiful Brazilian girls dressed up nicely in summer clothes and on the beach. July would be winter so I don't want to miss out on this and would therefore consider going earlier this year. This would mean I'd miss the eclipse but enjoy the holiday the way I want to. And there will be more eclipses to chase in my lifetime.

So what I would like to ask is:

- Do the girls dress up the same in winter as they do in summer given the tropical climate?

- When do the people of Rio de Janeiro start wearing winter clothes in the year?

- Is it advisable to go during the Carnival? (I'm thinking inflated prices and overcrowding. I will be visiting the termas as well so I'm considering inflated service prices).

- Is it advisable to go during Lent? (I'm thinking might the girls be more conservative during this period).

[QUOTE=Fridaynightfun;2271115]- Do the girls dress up the same in winter as they do in summer given the tropical climate?

- When do the people of Rio de Janeiro start wearing winter clothes in the year?

- Is it advisable to go during Lent? (I'm thinking might the girls be more conservative during this period).[/QUOTE]Hookers have to eat and pay rent regardless if it is Lent or not. They don't really change up clothes. They just put on a jacket if it is cold and nobody goes to the beach. (Not sure what type of clothes you are thinking people wear.).

[QUOTE=Fridaynightfun;2271115]Hi all,

Being recently single I really want to go to Argentina and Brazil in the first half of 2019. I can't go after this because of personal reasons (I might be in another serious relationship, just a gut feeling). So being a bit a nerd, I really wanted to see the Total Solar Eclipse from Argentina on 2nd July 2019. There's a Contiki for Buenos Aires to Rio de Janeiro from 1-9 July, and being 35, the cutoff age, I thought this would be a good idea to see the eclipse and experience a Contiki at the same time.

However, since I can't be as "single and free" as I can be after this, I am really thinking about it from a boys trip perspective and want to enjoy seeing the beautiful Brazilian girls dressed up nicely in summer clothes and on the beach. July would be winter so I don't want to miss out on this and would therefore consider going earlier this year. This would mean I'd miss the eclipse but enjoy the holiday the way I want to. And there will be more eclipses to chase in my lifetime.

So what I would like to ask is:

- Do the girls dress up the same in winter as they do in summer given the tropical climate?

- When do the people of Rio de Janeiro start wearing winter clothes in the year?

- Is it advisable to go during the Carnival? (I'm thinking inflated prices and overcrowding. I will be visiting the termas as well so I'm considering inflated service prices).

- Is it advisable to go during Lent? (I'm thinking might the girls be more conservative during this period).[/QUOTE]Rio doesn't get that cold during their Winter (Jun. Aug). It's generally not beach weather like in Jan / Feb, but a parka won't be necessary. Buenos Aires on the other hand -- you'll definitely need a warm jacket.

Lent is fine in Brasil. The only day I'd worry about lack of available women is Good Friday.

I have been there 3 times this year on the low. I met some really nice ladies that I assume are semi pro. Each would stay with me for 3 days and I pay room and board for about 160 $ us without asking. Total GFE I don't speak Portuguese but we had fun. Only 1 I met at MABS but saw her the next day. 2 others were from out of town.

[QUOTE=Fridaynightfun;2271115]...Do the girls dress up the same in winter as they do in summer given the tropical climate?...[/QUOTE]I have been to Rio during the summer months, June thru September, many times. It does not get cold, and folks still go to the beach, except when it's raining. I used to dress in summer clothes, T-shirt and jeans, even when it was raining.

I will be in Rio in the 3rd week of Jan.

Let's get together and have some fun.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2270451]Men,

And women who love women:

This is what we call a warning order.

If you are going to be in Rio and / or SP in the next 60 days, PM me your zap (whatsapp). I will be forming up a group of merry mongers along with GringeJeffe (the monger formerly known as Sunkistday). We will be executing a detailed operational plan to penetrate the asses of the best Cariocas, with possible professional assistance from one of Buttman's best directors.

Carry on the normal worthless chatter.

Semper Gumby,

Vagabundo sends.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2260469]Small correction: come back to Sao Paulo instead of Brazil.[/QUOTE]Hi,

I will be in Sao Paulo in a few weeks. I kind of like tall girls. You think you can share her phone number or whatever means I can find her? Many thanks.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2260469]Small correction: come back to Sao Paulo instead of Brazil.[/QUOTE]Hi,

I will be in Sao Paulo in a few weeks. I kind of like tall girls. You think you can share her phone number or whatever means I can find her? Many thanks.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2270451]Men,

And women who love women:

This is what we call a warning order.

If you are going to be in Rio and / or SP in the next 60 days, PM me your zap (whatsapp). I will be forming up a group of merry mongers along with GringeJeffe (the monger formerly known as Sunkistday). We will be executing a detailed operational plan to penetrate the asses of the best Cariocas, with possible professional assistance from one of Buttman's best directors.

Carry on the normal worthless chatter.

Semper Gumby,

Vagabundo sends.[/QUOTE]Will be in town in late Feb. Sadly membership expired a while ago, any other way to get in touch with you?

[QUOTE=ManchesterCat;2272626]Will be in town in late Feb. Sadly membership expired a while ago, any other way to get in touch with you?[/QUOTE]While paying a membership fee (understand this has become more complicated lately) is one way to have access to the messaging system another is by posting trip reports about your firsthand experiences.

These do not always have to be about women. One of the most useful reports I read on another forum thread was about transportation. Endless reminiscing about the past, not so useful.

I have never done a helicopter ride in Rio before and I was wondering. If you go to Sugar Loaf, do you have to pay for the trolley to the top and pay for the helicopter ride too? Or can you just tell them hat you are doing the ride and skip the "entrance fee"?

[QUOTE=SfBaby;2272348]Hi,

I will be in Sao Paulo in a few weeks. I kind of like tall girls. You think you can share her phone number or whatever means I can find her? Many thanks.[/QUOTE]I haven't been to Sao Paulo since September. You can find in many clubs. It's better to write in the Sao Paulo thread.

I decided to go to Mosaic for my last day in Rio before going to Asia (China: Hebei province, Shanxi province and Inner Mongolia) for 3 week, Mongolia for 2 weeks and North Korea for 1 week. I said I ll go to Thailand but I decided to visit other countries not for mongering reasons but for education reasons.

Daniele is a beautiful morena Clara. Slim, 5 feet 7, nice butt.

Service: BBBJ, vaginal sex and deep kiss. Performance 8/10.

Many gorgeous girls in Mosaic.

I also walked into VM. There are many girls and people, I did not see any beautiful girl. I just saw 2 doable girls.

Angelica is a beautiful white skinned girl, big ass. She has big legs.

Service: BBBJ, vaginal sex and deep kiss, CIM. Performance 8. 5/10.

30 minutes: 300 reais for two girls.

Consumption: 115 reais.

Hi gents,

Can you give me any up to date information of where the action is around Rua Sequaira Campos in Rio. Many thanks.

[QUOTE=Dave1111;2273448]Hi gents,

Can you give me any up to date information of where the action is around Rua Sequaira Campos in Rio. Many thanks.[/QUOTE]Websites, Monte Carlo, that casa that has been reported on 1000 times, and Mab's.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2273467]Websites, Monte Carlo, that casa that has been reported on 1000 times, and Mab's.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that. Checked out Monte Carlo and it seems a good place, plenty of nice girls. Went to Mars, a few decent ones but some horrors as well. Having said that the place is cool, food okay and some decent live music. Went to Dolce Vida, full with women and smoke. If the owner stopped the smoking inside it would be a great little place but the smoke is dreadful. Very friendly staff and good security guys.

What is the casa that you are referring to, I may try that but my Portuguese isn't great.

[QUOTE=Dave1111;2273513]What is the casa that you are referring to, I may try that but my Portuguese isn't great.[/QUOTE]Check this post by brother Pokeris.

[QUOTE=Pokeris;2249572]Checked some place at copacabana today:.[/QUOTE]

Fellas I will be on the ground in about 2 weeks. For those of you who know me you know I'm big on nice natural PHAT (not fat) ASSES. I haven't been to Rio in over a year so I'm a little behind. Does anyone have any recent citings on what we used to call around here horse asses? And if so where at? I will be in town for less than a week so I'm trying to save as much time as possible. I've never been to Mosaic before but I've heard there are a few to be found there. Let me know what you guys have been seeing? A particular girl at a terma, a prive, a website, etc. Let me know what you guys have seen. As usual I will find commentary after my trip. Thanks for your help!

[QUOTE=Mongmann;2274245]Fellas I will be on the ground in about 2 weeks. For those of you who know me you know I'm big on nice natural PHAT (not fat) ASSES. I haven't been to Rio in over a year so I'm a little behind. Does anyone have any recent citings on what we used to call around here horse asses? [/QUOTE]This is Suzuki from Manaus. Unlike you. She's not a little behind. Pun intended. Downside she lives in Sao Paulo, upside I live in Sao Paulo. IMHO: Sao Paulo is the mongering diamond in the rough! Only thing Rio has on Sao Paulo is the beaches. Not the bitches!

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2274265]This is Suzuki from Manaus. Unlike you. She's not a little behind. Pun intended. Downside she lives in Sao Paulo, upside I live in Sao Paulo. IMHO: Sao Paulo is the mongering diamond in the rough! Only thing Rio has on Sao Paulo is the beaches. Not the bitches![/QUOTE]Haha! Nice!

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2274265]This is Suzuki from Manaus. Unlike you. She's not a little behind. Pun intended. Downside she lives in Sao Paulo, upside I live in Sao Paulo. IMHO: Sao Paulo is the mongering diamond in the rough! Only thing Rio has on Sao Paulo is the beaches. Not the bitches![/QUOTE]Seriously delighted that you guys are so enamored with these girls whose asses have their own zip code.

I prefer when a girl sits on my face, I can still hear the music.

Gringojeffe and I are feet wet.

Daily weekly recce of 4*4 and Centro termas like belprazer etc are our execution focus of main effort.

Patrol base vicinity Botafogo metro; link up at verano restaurant on Rua sao Clemente.

Communication: send your WhatsApp for photos!

Vagabundo1/ patmarbeleza1 out.

[QUOTE=ExecTalent;2274297]Seriously delighted that you guys are so enamored with these girls whose asses have their own zip code.

I prefer when a girl sits on my face, I can still hear the music.[/QUOTE]LOL! Hilarious!

- Rio de Janeiro gives a vibe of being much sketchier than Sao Paulo. I didn't get mugged or robbed, nothing got stolen. But it just feels sketchier. However, in general it's safe as long as you don't go into bad neighborhoods or empty streets. I was either in the city center (Carioca, Cinelandia, etc) or Copacobana / Ipanema (the beaches) - the areas I was in were usually somewhat crowded, so I was fine. But I have a feeling that if I saw a group of idle-looking kids on an empty street, I'd be tempted to just run away, possibly leaving my flip flops behind. Maybe it's just me being paranoid.

- The sights. The national history museum is cute, the naval museum has several scale replicas of the old sail ships, obviously the Jesus statue has a nice view and the cog train ride is entertaining, also a ferry ride to Niteroi (across the gulf from Rio) has great views (sunset time is the best) and is nearly free (2 or 3 reals round trip). There are several "free" walking tours. I found taking one of those early on a great way to get the feel of a new city.

- Transportation. Uber, if it gets expensive due to surge pricing (can jump from 10 real to 30+ real in a heartbeat) then tram or subway (either are supposed to be safe, are air conditioned, and cost less than 4 reals. Santos Dumont airport is literally downtown, it's 3 stops by tram or 7-8 minutes by uber. But I wouldn't walk to and from it.

- Now for the goods. The only place I visited was the sauna club Whiskeria 65 [URL]http://whiskeria65.com.br/inicio/[/URL].

Address: Rosario 65 - it's steps away from the ferry terminal and the few very busy streets. I walked there and away. But it was at 5 pm and 7 pm so it was daylight and the streets were full of people. Any later and it would have been Uber both ways.

The building has a sign, no problem at all to find.

Hours: 5 pm - 1 am.

Cost: 30 real to enter, then there are charges for each girl.

NOTE: the credit card costs are much much higher than cash.

30 minutes: cash 180, card 216.

40 minutes: cash 190, card 228.

1 hour: cash 250, card 300.

The front desk girl did not speak any English, but she was amenable to using google translate.

She took me on a little tour and explained everything.

When you check in, you get a locker key with a number. That number is used as your tab; you will pay for everything as you exit.

In the locker room get naked, put on a bath robe (provided) and grab a towel.

Go to the next floor for a shower and sauna.

Then 3rd and 4th floors are 2 bars (I wasn't sure what's the difference, there are girls in both).

5 and 6 are rooms.

As I completed my bath, went up to the next floor and sat in one of the bar rooms.

When I walked in right after they opened at 5, there were about 10 girls, but more were on their way. They all looked decent.

A cute blonde girl winked at me then came over for a chitchat.

Her name was Louisa. She spoke decent English, was cute, soft, and had a great attitude. Turns out it was her first day in that club.

Obviously we had to get a room. I'll spare you the gory details (in my case they are rather plain. GFE, BBBJ, cuddling, mish, cuddling, BBBJ, CIM) overall my beloved girl-next-door experience. The 40-minute phone ring came when we were still a wee busy, so she took off the rubber and used her wonderful tongue to get the job done so that I wouldn't leave with a hard on.

Overall, I wouldn't go to Rio again unless someone paid me to do so. I don't hate it but I don't love it either. But if I am in Rio, this club is a valid option.

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2274629] Snip.- Now for the goods. The only place I visited was the sauna club Whiskeria 65 [URL]http://whiskeria65.com.br/inicio/[/URL].

Address: Rosario 65 - it's steps away from the ferry terminal and the few very busy streets. I walked there and away. But it was at 5 pm and 7 pm so it was daylight and the streets were full of people. Any later and it would have been Uber both ways.

The building has a sign, no problem at all to find.

Hours: 5 pm - 1 am.

Cost: 30 real to enter, then there are charges for each girl.

NOTE: the credit card costs are much much higher than cash.

30 minutes: cash 180, card 216.

40 minutes: cash 190, card 228.

1 hour: cash 250, card 300.

The front desk girl did not speak any English, but she was amenable to using google translate.

She took me on a little tour and explained everything.

When you check in, you get a locker key with a number. That number is used as your tab; you will pay for everything as you exit.

In the locker room get naked, put on a bath robe (provided) and grab a towel.

Go to the next floor for a shower and sauna.

Then 3rd and 4th floors are 2 bars (I wasn't sure what's the difference, there are girls in both).

5 and 6 are rooms.Snip.[/QUOTE]Some additional info (from my December 2018 visits):

1) The 30 real entrance fee is consumable;.

2) You can remain in street clothes;.

3) The fourth floor bar is where the live band plays;.

4) The third floor bar has an enclosed smoking area.

Not sure why you chose this place, when Cancun and 4 X4 are generally acknowledged to be better and are literally around the corner, if this was going to be your only Rio experience.

Brazil will also seek to eliminate visas for Canadians, Japanese and Australians but the timeline is up to the Foreign Ministry. A gift From the New President.

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-tourism-idUSKCN1PA2G9?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:[/URL]

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2274709]Some additional info (from my December 2018 visits):

1) The 30 real entrance fee is consumable;.

2) You can remain in street clothes;.

3) The fourth floor bar is where the live band plays;.

4) The third floor bar has an enclosed smoking area.

Not sure why you chose this place, when Cancun and 4 X4 are generally acknowledged to be better and are literally around the corner, if this was going to be your only Rio experience.[/QUOTE]No particular reason. 4 x 4 sounded gay, and I didn't see any material difference between this and the other from the forums.

Thank you for adding the details!

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2274755]No particular reason. 4 x 4 sounded gay, and I didn't see any material difference between this and the other from the forums.[/QUOTE]You missed out. I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2275051]You missed out. I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion.[/QUOTE]In his defense, long time ago me and some buddies took a picture in our robes relaxing upstairs in 4 x4. My exgirlfriend said it looked like we were at a gay spa.

I was going to go to the Dominican for my birthday in May but I've decided to go to Rio instead. I will be going through this forum to get as much advice and info as possible. Any suggestions and info you can give me is much appreciated. I will also find a way to become a VIP member (its a lot harder now LOL) so I can chat with the experts. Anybody going to be in Brazil at the end of may hit me up show me the way LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2275178]In his defense, long time ago me and some buddies took a picture in our robes relaxing upstairs in 4 x4. My exgirlfriend said it looked like we were at a gay spa.[/QUOTE]That's an odd reaction. I have been to regular spas all over the world. Men (and women) wearing white robes is quite standard.

It's a very small price to pay to enjoy 4 x4. I would wear a pink bunny suit if it was required to hang out with the 4 x4 girls.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2275443]That's an odd reaction. I have been to regular spas all over the world. Men (and women) wearing white robes is quite standard.

It's a very small price to pay to enjoy 4 x4. I would wear a pink bunny suit if it was required to hang out with the 4 x4 girls.[/QUOTE]Since things are so slow:

Anyone else remember the Turkish guide at L'uomo who used to have his own custom pink robe?

Anyone know a good sports bar to catch NFL championship games this Sunday?

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2274724]Brazil will also seek to eliminate visas for Canadians, Japanese and Australians but the timeline is up to the Foreign Ministry. A gift From the New President.

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-tourism-idUSKCN1PA2G9?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:[/URL][/QUOTE]Let's hope this soon become real before the shit hits the fan. LOL. Bolsonaro is already in trouble as his son is found with 1 million Reais in his bank account unaccounted for.

The last tome I visited BraSil was in 2013. Then my visa expired and haven't stepped a foot since. I found a cheaper yet equal alternative to Brazilian women. Pinays!

[QUOTE=Tiradentes;2275941]The last tome I visited BraSil was in 2013. Then my visa expired and haven't stepped a foot since. I found a cheaper yet equal alternative to Brazilian women. Pinays![/QUOTE]Cheaper yes. But an equal alternative? I don't think so! I'm not close to ready to say that yet! And probably never will be. But, we shall see!

[QUOTE=Tiradentes;2275941]The last tome I visited BraSil was in 2013. Then my visa expired and haven't stepped a foot since. I found a cheaper yet equal alternative to Brazilian women. Pinays![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2276003]Cheaper yes. But an equal alternative? I don't think so! I'm not close to ready to say that yet! And probably never will be. But, we shall see![/QUOTE]I'm with The Cane on this. Very few Pinays take it in the Backdoor. They're GFE, but Do NOT match the Brasileiras in sheer sexuality, generally speaking. For backdoor action in SEA, go Thai.

Hey guys,

Traveling to Rio in late March. Have any of you used this site? Any experiences?

[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/rio-de-janeiro/capital/copacabana[/URL]

A bit of topic, but can any of you guys point me to a doctor or a pharmacy in Rio that prescribes testosterone? I saw it was discussed a few pages back so I figure one of you guys might know. I have TRT prescribed from a US doctor, but I assume they will not accept that here.

[QUOTE=BwanaD;2228588]That's me. Just shortening the handle. Still hitting Rio regularly (back next week).[/QUOTE]But I am a Brazilian Vet going back to 1984.

Good to see that BwanaD is still around and going to Brazil.

You may remember me from the time we had lunch at a NYC deli about 20 years ago.

Shit, time flies.

Hope to contribute soon.

Ciao.

[QUOTE=JamieStarr38;2276330]Hey guys,

Traveling to Rio in late March. Have any of you used this site? Any experiences?

[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/rio-de-janeiro/capital/copacabana[/URL][/QUOTE]I've used these 2 sites many times in past years and you can see some of the same girls on your site. So it looks like another version of independent escorts so all the same just different name. For the most part I like sites like this and usually I have good results.

[URL]http://hotside.com.br/acompanhantes-garotas-de-programa-rio-de-janeiro-rj.html[/URL]

[URL]http://www.barravipsrio.com/[/URL]

[QUOTE=RioBob;2276762]I've used these 2 sites many times in past years and you can see some of the same girls on your site. So it looks like another version of independent escorts so all the same just different name. For the most part I like sites like this and usually I have good results.

[URL]http://hotside.com.br/acompanhantes-garotas-de-programa-rio-de-janeiro-rj.html[/URL]

[URL]http://www.barravipsrio.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]OK great. Some really nice looking girls on that site. Have you met any of the girls?

[QUOTE=JamieStarr38;2276775]OK great. Some really nice looking girls on that site. Have you met any of the girls?[/QUOTE]I haven't met any of these girls currently on these sites. These sites have a quick turnover rate. They're expensive to post pictures so change often.

[QUOTE=JamieStarr38;2276775]OK great. Some really nice looking girls on that site. Have you met any of the girls?[/QUOTE]Okay, so maybe I can contribute something useful here. About two years ago I went through a phase where I tried 6-7 girls from the websites. There was one girl who was awesome, but in general it was very hit or miss. Mostly misses to be honest. The nice things with the termas is that you get to interact with the girls and see if she is into and if you got chemistry. Maybe a more experienced monger would have done better, but for me it was just not worth it. If I go to 4*4 I think I have good sex 80% of the times. Getting a girl from the websites it's more like 30%. What I ended up doing and what I assume most of the forum does is getting Whatsapp from the girls in the termas and inviting them over later to a discounted price.

[QUOTE=RioBob;2276762]I've used these 2 sites many times in past years and you can see some of the same girls on your site. So it looks like another version of independent escorts so all the same just different name. For the most part I like sites like this and usually I have good results.

[URL]http://hotside.com.br/acompanhantes-garotas-de-programa-rio-de-janeiro-rj.html[/URL]

[URL]http://www.barravipsrio.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]Tremendous amount of Photoshopped pictures. Not particularly well-done or subtle.

The site posted by the original poster.

[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/a...tal/copacabana[/URL]

Has a number of normal photos and even points out the number of false ones they have caught.

At 200 - 300 Reais, worth taking a shot. Just have plan be and see in case plan A shows up and looks nothing like her picture. Or, better, you show up at her incall location. Then you can just leave.

[QUOTE=VermontDrums;2276810]Okay, so maybe I can contribute something useful here. About two years ago I went through a phase where I tried 6-7 girls from the websites. There was one girl who was awesome, but in general it was very hit or miss. Mostly misses to be honest. The nice things with the termas is that you get to interact with the girls and see if she is into and if you got chemistry. Maybe a more experienced monger would have done better, but for me it was just not worth it. If I go to 4*4 I think I have good sex 80% of the times. Getting a girl from the websites it's more like 30%. What I ended up doing and what I assume most of the forum does is getting Whatsapp from the girls in the termas and inviting them over later to a discounted price.[/QUOTE]I did some additional searching through the different threads. Found this [URL]http://www.gpguia.net[/URL]. I may check out a few girls by cross referencing their reviews. But, I guess you are right. Go to the termas with a small notepad and.

Collect phone number from the girls. Any chance the termas are allowing to bring your cell phone inside the meet and greet areas?

[QUOTE=RioBob;2276804]I haven't met any of these girls currently on these sites. These sites have a quick turnover rate. They're expensive to post pictures so change often.[/QUOTE]Thanks for responding Rio Bob. When I get there, I will report whoever I meet. Since the rates are cheap and with the exchange rate I can afford to take one for the team.

[QUOTE=ExecTalent;2276826]Tremendous amount of Photoshopped pictures. Not particularly well-done or subtle.

The site posted by the original poster.

[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/a...tal/copacabana[/URL]

Has a number of normal photos and even points out the number of false ones they have caught.

At 200 - 300 Reais, worth taking a shot. Just have plan be and see in case plan A shows up and looks nothing like her picture. Or, better, you show up at her incall location. Then you can just leave.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice. Maybe I can demand she send photos or do a whatsapp video call. LOL.

[QUOTE=JamieStarr38;2276838]I did some additional searching through the different threads. Found this [URL]http://www.gpguia.net[/URL]. I may check out a few girls by cross referencing their reviews. But, I guess you are right. Go to the termas with a small notepad and.

Collect phone number from the girls. Any chance the termas are allowing to bring your cell phone inside the meet and greet areas?[/QUOTE]Maybe some Rio veteran can answer this as well, but as far as I know you can. I usually try to be a bit discrete and get the girls number in the room, but I've never gotten flack for bringing my cell phone into the bar area in a terma.

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2274629]Snip. - Now for the goods. The only place I visited was the sauna club Whiskeria 65 [URL]http://whiskeria65.com.br/inicio/[/URL].

Address: Rosario 65 - it's steps away from the ferry terminal and the few very busy streets. I walked there and away. But it was at 5 pm and 7 pm so it was daylight and the streets were full of people. Any later and it would have been Uber both ways.

The building has a sign, no problem at all to find.

Hours: 5 pm - 1 am.

Cost: 30 real to enter, then there are charges for each girl.

NOTE: the credit card costs are much much higher than cash.

30 minutes: cash 180, card 216.

40 minutes: cash 190, card 228.

1 hour: cash 250, card 300.
Snip.[/QUOTE]Went there last Friday night about 9 PM. Dead. 15 girls max, same amount of customers, no band. Only one girl doable, a smoking-hot blonde, but she was occupied with a guy and then disappeared (not with him), not to be seen again, before I left after about an hour in the place.

As I suspected, FRobertson quoted (or perhaps was told by the receptionist, him being new to the place and not speaking Portuguese) the suite rates, as the regular room programs are 50 real less for each time period.

By the way, there is a party tonight for the Manager's birthday, so there may be more activity than the other night.

[QUOTE=JamieStarr38;2276858]Thanks for the advice. Maybe I can demand she send photos or do a whatsapp video call. LOL.[/QUOTE]After I call them I usually go down to the lobby and wait for them. When they show up if they're not to my liking I tell them that they are very pretty but unfortunately not my type and usually give them taxi fare to get back. But lately don't see too much bait and switch, that used to be a bigger problem back in the day with escort agencies like CIA Plus or Company Girl, they would put up a pic of a blonde and black out her face so you never knew what you were going to get. These days the sites are mostly independents so it's just one girl behind the picture. Sure they photoshop but they make the skin smoother or even take off 20 lbs but how bad can an 18 or 25 year old be. Plus some of those sites are very expensive to advertise, so if they constantly show up and are dogs and look like a goddess on the site they will get sent back and not make any money and they won't be able to pay their bill. They won't last long at all so they have to deliver.

[QUOTE=RioBob;2277153]These days the sites are mostly independents so it's just one girl behind the picture.[/QUOTE]Actually not. I never got to write up my report from last time, but this is the major theme of it. While brothers like RioBob are ordering up chicks to come see them, I find adventure in going to see the chicks.

I am not a stickler on "is this the same chick in the foto" if it is someone decent that I want to fuck. The first time it was hours later when I realized it may not have been the chick on the website.

So I am hitting chicks up and a common theme would be Rua Barrato Ribeiro, 194. And they would tell me which apartment once I arrived there. I thought it was strange because I had already fucked a chick that lived there. So this time I am on my way to see a chick. They tell me Barrato Ribeiro. I asked 194? They said no and gave me another building number.

In the midst of walking there I get a message asking which girl I want. I said what do you mean? I thought there was only one girl. They answered no there are 3. I got there and 3 chicks were lounging around in the living room watching TV and I picked one of them. Again I am not a stickler, so I don't know if it was the girl on the site or not. Hell I did not even know which ad it was. I was just happy to be fucking.

The girl I picked was really nice and GFE. We went to the room and talked and joked around and had a great session. It was 1 hour for 100 reais. Of that she gets 50 and 50 goes to the boss. I said who is the boss? She said she had no idea. She had never met them.

In our bedroom there were several lockers. I asked her who else stays there. She said she did not know. She lives in Teresopolis and comes to stay at that apartment in Copacabana for 2 weeks at a time. When she is not there then other girls are there.

I asked how she found out about the job. She said she answered an ad asking for girls. I made a deal with her to see her on one of her off weeks for 200 reais long time. She gave me her real number and said not to say anything about it when we went back into the common area.

So after all this legwork, what I realized after visiting several apartments (and some of them in the same building) is that most of the ads actually are "agencies". Some people are renting out several apartments and having chicks come stay in them. The phone/whatsapp number is to a cell phone that stays in the apartment and various chicks take turns being on call in that apartment. So the pictures may belong to a girl that works there, it just may not be her turn to work and they don't always switch ad pics to match who is working at the time.

P. S. It also makes me laugh my ass off about guys giving taxi money to chicks that were in walking distance all along! So maybe act like you want to go to her to find out where she really is, then change and tell her to come to you instead.

I see [URL]photoacompanhantes.com[/URL] has come up in discussion. It's probably been brought up a couple dozen times on the Sao Paulo forum over the last couple years. As with any website anywhere in the world, I advise buyer beware. Cross-checking a name or phone number in Gpguia and Twitter are good ideas. Periodically, a new Brazilian website pops up, attracts new girls to advertise and ISG members start discussing it. There are probably at least three dozen Brazilian escort sites and none of them will guarantee you the girl will look good and deliver a great time.

Thanks for all the responses on this topic guys. I will probably satisfy my curiosity and contact a few of the girls but I won't pull the trigger unless she agrees to send some photos. I will definitely wait outside to receive her. Whatever.

Happens good or bad, I will definitely share my experience.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2277237]I see [URL]photoacompanhantes.com[/URL] has come up in discussion. It's probably been brought up a couple dozen times on the Sao Paulo forum over the last couple years. As with any website anywhere in the world, I advise buyer beware. Cross-checking a name or phone number in Gpguia and Twitter are good ideas. Periodically, a new Brazilian website pops up, attracts new girls to advertise and ISG members start discussing it. There are probably at least three dozen Brazilian escort sites and none of them will guarantee you the girl will look good and deliver a great time.[/QUOTE]Haha Wyatt, you and I have gone back and forth a bit on this. I think you are making a false equivalency here. Yes, there is no sure thing on photoacompanhantes or any other site. But that does not mean all sites are equally bad, or that guys should waste their time on known crappy sites just because known good sites like photoacompanhantes are not "perfect".

There are sound reasons I have recommended photoacompanhantes and suggested not wasting time with others (aside from twitter and gp-guia or forumx), and I describe them here and here:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2192351&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2192351.

And here:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2193747&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2193747.

Yes, there is no "sure thing" and, yes, people should cross reference whenever possible and google phone number search is your friend here, but by all means people should know which sites are "better" than others and for what reasons. I have been away from Rio for 2 years, so I do not know if photoacompanhantes is as strong in Rio vis a vis other sites as it is in SP, but due to the technical and structural advantages that I describe in the posts above, I would not be surprised if it was significantly better than the comp. In the interest of full disclosure, when I lived in Rio I seldom saw free lancers, partly because at THAT time the sites were so unreliable and partly because the clinica site [URL]https://espacoterapias.com.br[/URL] was so good, that I had far more confidence going to the clinicas than calling a free. That may still be the case in Rio.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2277237]I see [URL]photoacompanhantes.com[/URL] has come up in discussion. It's probably been brought up a couple dozen times on the Sao Paulo forum over the last couple years. As with any website anywhere in the world, I advise buyer beware. Cross-checking a name or phone number in Gpguia and Twitter are good ideas. Periodically, a new Brazilian website pops up, attracts new girls to advertise and ISG members start discussing it. There are probably at least three dozen Brazilian escort sites and none of them will guarantee you the girl will look good and deliver a great time.[/QUOTE]Spot on. A nice feature of photoacompanhantes is the direct links to GPguia and Forum Cutica (There is also a filter for reviewed girls only. I put that on. Even then I won't look at a girl without at least 4 reviews. Then go read them -- google wil translate, often with hilarious results, but with the message intact. Make sure the reviewer has had more than just 1 or two reviews also or it is likely a fake review.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2277303]Haha Wyatt, you and I have gone back and forth a bit on this. I think you are making a false equivalency here. Yes, there is no sure thing on photoacompanhantes or any other site. But that does not mean all sites are equally bad, or that guys should waste their time on known crappy sites just because known good sites like photoacompanhantes are not "perfect".

There are sound reasons I have recommended photoacompanhantes and suggested not wasting time with others (aside from twitter and gp-guia or forumx), and I describe them here and here:[/QUOTE]I tried to link to a specific post above but the link only seems to take you to the page with the post. So in the interest of avoiding confusion here is the text from the post I was trying to link to. :

Re the sites that you list. I am familiar with all of them. Most of them are just running on fumes. They have ancient postings that they never remove and they steal photos and numbers from other sites in order to enlarge their "catalogue". I know girls that have paid for ads on clubmodel and malicia, but other sites have copied these ads even though she is not paying them. PhotoAcompanhantes is the clear leader for the following reasons:

- They have a well organized site with all the filter options you could possible want.

- It is mobile friendly.

- They have a "denounce" action so that readers can denounce false announcements. Thereby reducing the number of false ads.

- Its self serve for providers, they can create an announcement in minutes directly online, no need to interface with site admins etc.

- Most importantly, they have a freemium approach, so any girl can create an ad for FREE, and then optionally pay in order to have the ad "boosted" to the top of the list periodically.

The combination of self service and freemium plan make this the only site really worth visiting these days. The others have eye candy, but I wager that 90% or more of the active providers have announcements on PhotoAcompanhantes. They may have ads on the other sites as well, but there is little value in wading through the other sites, when PhotoAcompanhantes is effectively a superset of the other sites, minus the dead wood that clog the other sites.

I have no affiliation with PhotoAcompanhantes but I am a fan.

Rovnak, we're fundamentally in agreement. Since I usually don't have a lot of free time in Sao Paulo, I'm fine with pros. When these "pro" girls have a great on-line reputation and brand, I find most of them will back it up each and every time.

I love finding the new hottie as much as anyone. The good news is that Brazilian program girls are on average are the best performers in the world. However, I think most of us experienced Brazilian mongers have come across the rare Brazilian escort who provides lackluster performance. Thankfully, the probability of this is much lower in Brazil.

Steve9696 is correct. As with Tripadvisor, Yelp, etc, having a bunch of reviews from reviewers who have posted once or twice is useless. I was planning a trip to SP a few years ago. This pretty girl who looked like an young, American cheerleader type popped up in Gpguia. She had great natural photos and a couple videos. Looks were not the problem. The initial reviews were one post shills. Shortly before I arrived, the crappy reviews about service started coming in. I cut-off contact with her. Within a month, her adverts disappeared and there were no more reviews. I'm guessing she wanted to make some quick cash, but her heart was never into escorting.

My personal approach is to start with the reviews and then look up the girl's on-line presence. It's obviously a personal thing. I just find that if I start with advertisements I get all excited about a set of photos and the girl winds up having checkered reviews.

I won't be surprised that in a few years a new website will pop-up offering promo deals to girls to advertise and it will be getting a lot of buzz here.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2277576]My personal approach is to start with the reviews and then look up the girl's on-line presence. It's obviously a personal thing. I just find that if I start with advertisements I get all excited about a set of photos and the girl winds up having checkered reviews.

I won't be surprised that in a few years a new website will pop-up offering promo deals to girls to advertise and it will be getting a lot of buzz here.[/QUOTE]I start with the photos because I feel I am wasting my time more reading reviews when I am really very selective when it comes to looks. But everyone has their own approach. For those that start with the photos like myself its important to remember that if its TGTBT it probably is TGTBT. Maybe I have better luck than most with the site girls is because I do not go for the hot blondes that so many visitors seem to fall for. I stick strictly to morenas, mulatas and negras. Why does this matter you might ask? Because given Brazil's racial stereotyping, the agency types (and there are some on photoacompanthes as I note) tend to promote the blondes as they are the higher "status" chicks. Since I do not call these girls I cannot say with certainty that they are fake or misleading ads, but I know some SP punters that did have bad experiences calling what were supposed to be hot blondes. There are other tells as I indicated in other posts.

To your last comment, about "new" websites. Perhaps there will be, but what distinguishes photoacompanhantes is their freemium model, self service announcements, and user experience polish which really are a game changer as far as I am concerned. Having watched the online escort scene for 10 years I will say that they are the first real game changer. Yes, there were other sites that were popular now and then, but they were all basically the same type of site with high fees for models and studio photos, and sci-fi level photoshop. Remember malicia where all the girls looked "amber", black, white, whatever they were all photoshopped to look amber.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2277303]Haha Wyatt, you and I have gone back and forth a bit on this. I think you are making a false equivalency here. Yes, there is no sure thing on photoacompanhantes or any other site. But that does not mean all sites are equally bad, or that guys should waste their time on known crappy sites just because known good sites like photoacompanhantes are not "perfect".

There are sound reasons I have recommended photoacompanhantes and suggested not wasting time with others (aside from twitter and gp-guia or forumx), and I describe them here and here:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2192351&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2192351.

And here:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2193747&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2193747..[/QUOTE][URL]https://espacoterapias.com.br[/URL]

I get the impression that the girls on this site offer massage only. Is full service available (sex) offered as well?

Went to Terma 31 last night. 4 girls (one semi-decent-looking mulatta going to the room when I arrived, the three others fugly), 4 customers. Ordered but did not open my beer (10 real consumption) and left after 5 minutes. Real 180/ hour.

Went to MV 30.30 real consumption. 8-10 women, even fewer customers. 270 real / hour. Nobody worth that. One morena might have been worth prive price of 150 real / hour. Had two caipirinhias (32 real) to use up my consumption and left.

Don't understand how these places stay in business or why the women work there, since there are so few customers. Wasted 30 real (excess over outside price of drinks) and about an hour's time. Unless you want to waste time and money, don't bother with these places.

[QUOTE=JamieStarr38;2277602][URL]https://espacoterapias.com.br[/URL]

I get the impression that the girls on this site offer massage only. Is full service available (sex) offered as well?[/QUOTE]Unless things have changed, all of the ones listed under "massagista" and many of the ones listed under "terapeuta" are full service. Really the only difference on the site is that the terapeutas show their faces and the massagistas do not. In some cases but not all, the terapeutas are certified in massage, but will still do manual or full service. Really it depends on the PLACE. Most of the places are FS, but some are only manual finish. There is little doubt about which is which. Its either ALL FS or ALL manual at a given place. The way you find out is by looking up the phone number to find the place and then cross referencing that place with [URL]forumx.com.br[/URL]. Based on a quick look at the reviews there will be no doubt whether a given place is FS or only happy ending.

Another way to use that site is to browse by the places rather than by the girls.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2278044]Unless things have changed, all of the ones listed under "massagista" and many of the ones listed under "terapeuta" are full service. Really the only difference on the site is that the terapeutas show their faces and the massagistas do not. In some cases but not all, the terapeutas are certified in massage, but will still do manual or full service. Really it depends on the PLACE. Most of the places are FS, but some are only manual finish. There is little doubt about which is which. Its either ALL FS or ALL manual at a given place. The way you find out is by looking up the phone number to find the place and then cross referencing that place with [URL]forumx.com.br[/URL]. Based on a quick look at the reviews there will be no doubt whether a given place is FS or only happy ending.

Another way to use that site is to browse by the places rather than by the girls.[/QUOTE]The options in Rio is staggering. LOL Good information, can't't wait to get there.

Dear brothers,

I am 40+ guy from India. I need help from experienced guys about strong but very safe herbal aphrodisiacs to strongly improve libido and erections. Amongst western herbs. In particular, I am interested in muira puama, gingko biloba and maca. Amongst eastern (ayurvedic) herbs. I am interested in ashwagandha, tribulus and safed musli (with shilajit). Amongst nutraceuticals. I found vitamin the and fish oils effective.

I will be grateful to receive guidance through PM about effective formula combinations / weekly or monthly regimen (with scheduled gaps) for excellent results.

In return for help. I offer my thanks and gratitude + if any of you travel to India. I will try my best to help you, as a trustworthy friend, with all necessary information and assistance.

Please PM me.

I hope to return to RIO in Feb 2019. Over the past 6 years I have been there at least 30 times. I have family obligations at home or I would leased or just rent an apartment in Rio long term. I really like the Copa area although I haven't spent much time in other parts of the city. Many of the members have more experience in the city than me, any advice. I think other parts of the city are much cheaper, I could use a little advice.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Hotrod10;2278837]I hope to return to RIO in Feb 2019. Over the past 6 years I have been there at least 30 times. I have family obligations at home or I would leased or just rent an apartment in Rio long term. I really like the Copa area although I haven't spent much time in other parts of the city. Many of the members have more experience in the city than me, any advice. I think other parts of the city are much cheaper, I could use a little advice.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Like you I like the Copa area. Never gave much thought to staying anywhere else and never have. Always nice to walk down to the beach and feast on some thonged eye candy when not punting.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2278912]Like you I like the Copa area. Never gave much thought to staying anywhere else and never have. Always nice to walk down to the beach and feast on some thonged eye candy when not punting.[/QUOTE]Ipanema and Leblon are good areas to stay as well. This area is nicer than Copa in my opinion. I actually prefer staying on the Ipanema side near the Arpoador point. I like the vibe. I can hit the best part of Ipanema beach and Arpoador while it's a short walk over to the south part of Copacabana beach. You're also very close to the General Osorio subway stop if that's how you want to travel to Centro.

Hotrod10, it might help if you laid out some of your preferences. Cost, proximity to termas / prives, proximity to a beach, lower crime, etc.

I am sitting down eating a couple of minutes ago and hear a big boom. I turn around and the police have rear-ended an old lady.

Yesterday it was raining pretty hard and a lady at the beach got struck by lightning and died.

[QUOTE=Hotrod10;2278837]I hope to return to RIO in Feb 2019. Over the past 6 years I have been there at least 30 times. I have family obligations at home or I would leased or just rent an apartment in Rio long term. I really like the Copa area although I haven't spent much time in other parts of the city. Many of the members have more experience in the city than me, any advice. I think other parts of the city are much cheaper, I could use a little advice.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Hey Hotrod,

I noticed you said 30 times in the past 6 years. I'm still trying to build up the courage to go for the first time. Can I get some advice? I'm looking for an area where the hotel is walking distance to a terma. I don't care to do much traveling, I'll just go to the terma and back to my room and out for food. Is that possible? If so, what hotel and terma are conveniently located. Also, is it safe to call over escorts?

YBR.

I went to Sensoo last night about 2 am. I walked in and immediately asked for a menu. Just then I saw one sitting by the wall at the corner of the bar and grabbed it. At the top it said entrance fee of 60 reais and 25 reais for drinks like caipirinhas. There were only 2 girls inside and no other customers. I pointed the entrance fee out to the guy that ushered me in and he said not to worry about that. I headed out the door and went to Mab's.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2279003]I went to Sensoo last night about 2 am. I walked in and immediately asked for a menu. Just then I saw one sitting by the wall at the corner of the bar and grabbed it. At the top it said entrance fee of 60 reais and 25 reais for drinks like caipirinhas. There were only 2 girls inside and no other customers. I pointed the entrance fee out to the guy that ushered me in and he said not to worry about that. I headed out the door and went to Mab's.[/QUOTE]As said before, no need to pay entrance fee.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2251708]Last time I went to Sensoo was in January. They might tell you that they charge an entrance fee (R$80) but they are quick to skip the fee. Just pay what you consume.[/QUOTE]

Planning to come visit during the carnival thinking of visiting Centaurus and trying to termas 4 x 4. Wondering if they will still be filled with gorgeous women and worth a visit while carnival is on? Been to Centaurus many times and left satisfied. Any other places worth visiting during carnival?

I was walking back from Mab's last night when this transvestite on Av Atlantica asked me for a cigarette. I said I do not have one. Just then a voice piped up saying Hello, "my name". How are you. I looked and in my mind was like what the fuck. But it was cool coming out of my mouth and I said good, how have you been. She said good. It was Juliana from like 15 years ago Help. I kept walking but what ran through my mind was damn that chick remembered my name, does she look like that because she is on drugs or just because she is getting older. I wanted to turn around, but kept walking instead.

So tonight I went back over that way just to see if she would be there. The spot is right past Dolce Vita. And as sure as P. Isabel runs into Av. Atlantica she was there. This time I stopped and talked to her. She didn't look as bad as last night. She said that she was 38 years old and living in Flamengo. I told her that I have the same number since 2001 and why has she not called me. She whipped out this book (appeared to be a bible) where she had phone numbers written throughout, and flipped to a page that did not have a number and wrote my name. Then she gave me the pen to write my number. She said that she would send me a zap zap tomorrow.

She said it has been a long time since the Help days hasn't it? I said it sure has. I told her that I still have our pictures when we were in Xavier the Silveira, 46 apt 503 sitting at the table drinking Caracu. I said I would send them to her whenever I am back in the States. She asked if I was married yet and I asked her what it would benefit me to be married. I told her that I wanted to marry her back in the day. She said what about now. I said not a chance! I told her bye and walked away to call an Uber.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2279694]I was walking back from Mab's last night when this transvestite on Av Atlantica asked me for a cigarette. I said I do not have one. Just then a voice piped up saying Hello, "my name". How are you. I looked and in my mind was like what the fuck. But it was cool coming out of my mouth and I said good, how have you been. She said good. It was Juliana from like 15 years ago Help. I kept walking but what ran through my mind was damn that chick remembered my name, does she look like that because she is on drugs or just because she is getting older. I wanted to turn around, but kept walking instead.

So tonight I went back over that way just to see if she would be there. The spot is right past Dolce Vita. And as sure as P. Isabel runs into Av. Atlantica she was there. This time I stopped and talked to her. She didn't look as bad as last night. She said that she was 38 years old and living in Flamengo. I told her that I have the same number since 2001 and why has she not called me. She whipped out this book (appeared to be a bible) where she had phone numbers written throughout, and flipped to a page that did not have a number and wrote my name. Then she gave me the pen to write my number. She said that she would send me a zap zap tomorrow..[/QUOTE]That is cold. But then again Truth has no temperature.

[QUOTE=JamieStarr38;2276838]I did some additional searching through the different threads. Found this [URL]http://www.gpguia.net[/URL]. I may check out a few girls by cross referencing their reviews. But, I guess you are right. Go to the termas with a small notepad and.

Collect phone number from the girls. Any chance the termas are allowing to bring your cell phone inside the meet and greet areas?[/QUOTE]I never asked if I could bring my camera. I just put it in the pocket of my robe. Be sure to put it on mute.

Over the years I found it was totally random on how many girls would let you take pics in the cabins. Usually,

If the girl likes you and wants you to come back for a repeat session, she will let you take pics that may even.

Include her face. Sometimes if you take 2 girls, they may even put a little show on for you.

As far as phone numbers, it is like anywhere else; Ask. If they like you, there is a good chance you may be able to.

Arrange a day long meeting including the beach on their day off. Be sure to be discrete and get the number in the.

Cabin since management usually frowns on the girls meeting outside of the terma.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=Hotrod10;2278837]I hope to return to RIO in Feb 2019. Over the past 6 years I have been there at least 30 times. I have family obligations at home or I would leased or just rent an apartment in Rio long term. I really like the Copa area although I haven't spent much time in other parts of the city. Many of the members have more experience in the city than me, any advice. I think other parts of the city are much cheaper, I could use a little advice.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I have always preferred to stay in Ipanema and rent an apartment which gives you far more flexibility.

Safer, less crowded and more civilized with lots of bars and restaurants.

Have not been there in a little over a year but doubt that much has changed.

[QUOTE=ArmnHammer69;2279385]Planning to come visit during the carnival thinking of visiting Centaurus and trying to termas 4 x 4. Wondering if they will still be filled with gorgeous women and worth a visit while carnival is on? Been to Centaurus many times and left satisfied. Any other places worth visiting during carnival?[/QUOTE]My favorite terma is Solarium in Leblon. Lots of good looking girls who are very friendly.

Just take your time before you make your choice and enjoy. Nothing like 5-10 girls trying.

To get your attention and convincing you they are the one to take to the cabin.

Just be sure the girl is having fun grabbing your dick and she likes to kiss. If they do not.

Do this in the bar area you may not have a hottie in the cabin.

Centaurus has lots of beautiful girls but it is way overpriced and they are notorious for.

Charging a Gringo Tax. They should be open during Carnival and many Termas will hold.

Carnival promotions.

Try LaScala in Leblon for a great Carnival night.

[QUOTE=YourBoyRoc;2278996]Hey Hotrod,

I noticed you said 30 times in the past 6 years. I'm still trying to build up the courage to go for the first time. Can I get some advice? I'm looking for an area where the hotel is walking distance to a terma. I don't care to do much traveling, I'll just go to the terma and back to my room and out for food. Is that possible? If so, what hotel and terma are conveniently located. Also, is it safe to call over escorts?

YBR.[/QUOTE]Sure it's possible, for example you can stay in Copacabana at the Marriott hotel or the Pestana hotel, both are good hotels with nice pool on roof top and breakfast and restaurant and bars. Either hotel is within a few blocks of termas Monte Carlo easy to walk to and several cheaper massage places just a block or 2 more. Plus easy access to another termas in Ipanema called Centaurus and taxi to Solarium in Jardim Botanico.

During the day it is very low risk to walk around, if you find you are leaving a termas when it is dark just call uber and go door to door, this is smart way to keep low risk in Rio.

Escorts are very low risk believe me they are more concerned about you then you are of them, if you call a reputable site it's extremely low risk especially if you are staying in a hotel. If you're going low rent all around then be careful but if you stay in a good hotel and call girls on sites with pics and who are willing to travel to your hotel then you should be ok. If you're looking for a 100 reais HO who you have to travel to then expect the run around and they will make a schmuck out of you.

You don't need courage you need just a little street smarts and at night don't walk the streets just go door to door in a taxi and you can have all you want in Rio.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2279694] Just then a voice piped up saying Hello, "my name". How are you. I looked and in my mind was like what the fuck. But it was cool coming out of my mouth and I said good, how have you been. She said good. It was Juliana from like 15 years ago Help. I kept walking but what ran through my mind was damn that chick remembered my name,

She said it has been a long time since the Help days hasn't it? I said it sure has. I told her that I still have our pictures when we were in Xavier the Silveira, 46 apt 503 sitting at the table drinking Caracu. I said I would send them to her whenever I am back in the States. [/QUOTE]You obviously really new this girl pics and everything plus you had thoughts of marrying her so no surprise here. These girls remember good customers and even the touts on Copacabana remember your name even if you haven't sat there in 15 years, they always say Hello, by name, if they can squeeze another buck out of you they will.

[QUOTE=RioBob;2280081]You obviously really new this girl pics and everything plus you had thoughts of marrying her so no surprise here. [/QUOTE]Nah that is just me talking shit. I had a good memory back in those days and some of those memories are still with me. Like the first two freelance chicks I fucked here were both named Amanda. I didn't speak Portuguese back then so the first chick kept fucking with her nose and I gave her an antihistamine. It wasn't until the next day that I realized she was asking if I had cocaine. The next Amanda I got from Terraco. The next morning I gave her 100 reais and she said it was supposed to be $100. I said BULLshit!

Some guys think if some hoes remembers their name she us in love with them hell no I don't even give them my name cause their name us fake anyways for you who are only for mongering here Rio is not like 10 years ago many ugly hoes and some high miles hardcore hoes are still around nothing to report.

I left the apartment at 3 pm to head to Galeao airport to go to Belem. I checked the Uber price. 58 reais. Nahh. I will take the bus. My buddy told me that the bus has gone up to 18 reais now. I remember when it was like 6. But that was damn near 20 years ago.

I went and stood at the beach waiting and the sun was beating down. I took one of my wet washcloths out of my bag to put on my head. It didn't take long until that thing was half way dry. A taxi pulled up asking if I wanted a ride to the airport for 40 reais. I told him no. I would just wait for the bus. Then he got out the car and came around and said how about 30 reias. I said let's go.

He said he would drive down Atlantica to see if anyone else was waiting for the bus. There wasn't so he swung by Santos Dumont. He asked the policeman if he minded if he asked around for other passengers and he said go ahead. The first guy he asked he said 20 reais to Galeao? The guy accepted. He got in the car and I asked where he was going. He said Belem. I said damn man me too. 7:30 flight. He said yeah that is the one.

Went today to Stella's Hollywood, Rua do Ouvidor 130, Room 707 to bring Stella some candy, not expecting to session since Duda, the one I always session with, is on a long (permanent?) vacation. However, there was a new girl, Leona, who just came back after a long absence, whose look I liked. After the usual questions, went to the room (bring your own sheet and towel). When she undressed her breasts looked and felt very firm, and, upon inquiry, was told that she had given birth 4 months ago and was breast-feeding her child. I could actually taste some milk when I sucked on her tits. A very nice session. Anal, I believe, is possible, as with most of the women at Stella's, but I was not hard enough to manage entry and she complained of pain. Will repeat before I leave. For those of you who have a nursing mother fetish, here is your chance.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2280550]Went today to Stella's Hollywood, Rua do Ouvidor 130, Room 707 to bring Stella some candy, not expecting to session since Duda, the one I always session with, is on a long (permanent?) vacation. However, there was a new girl, Leona, who just came back after a long absence, whose look I liked. After the usual questions, went to the room (bring your own sheet and towel). When she undressed her breasts looked and felt very firm, and, upon inquiry, was told that she had given birth 4 months ago and was breast-feeding her child. I could actually taste some milk when I sucked on her tits. A very nice session. Anal, I believe, is possible, as with most of the women at Stella's, but I was not hard enough to manage entry and she complained of pain. Will repeat before I leave. For those of you who have a nursing mother fetish, here is your chance.[/QUOTE]You must be kidding "to bring your own towel" that place is shitty and dirty as hell and the women in there like to cheat on time specially with gringos hell no that place sucks not recommended.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2280459]I left the apartment at 3 pm to head to Galeao airport to go to Belem. I checked the Uber price. 58 reais. Nahh. I will take the bus. My buddy told me that the bus has gone up to 18 reais now. I remember when it was like 6. But that was damn near 20 years ago.

I went and stood at the beach waiting and the sun was beating down. I took one of my wet washcloths out of my bag to put on my head. It didn't take long until that thing was half way dry. A taxi pulled up asking if I wanted a ride to the airport for 40 reais. I told him no. I would just wait for the bus. Then he got out the car and came around and said how about 30 reias. I said let's go.

He said he would drive down Atlantica to see if anyone else was waiting for the bus. There wasn't so he swung by Santos Dumont. He asked the policeman if he minded if he asked around for other passengers and he said go ahead. The first guy he asked he said 20 reais to Galeao? The guy accepted. He got in the car and I asked where he was going. He said Belem. I said damn man me too. 7:30 flight. He said yeah that is the one.[/QUOTE]That's great, but I would've just paid the extra $7 bucks, avoided the hot sun, the taxi searching for more passengers, etc, etc, and taken the Uber, LOL.

At least you made a new buddy though.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2280550]Went today to Stella's Hollywood, Rua do Ouvidor 130, Room 707 to bring Stella some candy, not expecting to session since Duda, the one I always session with, is on a long (permanent?) vacation. However, there was a new girl, Leona, who just came back after a long absence, whose look I liked. After the usual questions, went to the room (bring your own sheet and towel). When she undressed her breasts looked and felt very firm, and, upon inquiry, was told that she had given birth 4 months ago and was breast-feeding her child. I could actually taste some milk when I sucked on her tits. A very nice session. Anal, I believe, is possible, as with most of the women at Stella's, but I was not hard enough to manage entry and she complained of pain. Will repeat before I leave. For those of you who have a nursing mother fetish, here is your chance.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info man. I will be there early next week and for sure am going to enjoy drinking Leona's milk. I have done it quite a few times before. The gift that keeps giving (unlimited refills). A couple of hours with her and I will be in heaven.

[QUOTE=JuveStadium;2280261]Some guys think if some hoes remembers their name she us in love with them hell no I don't even give them my name cause their name us fake anyways for you who are only for mongering here Rio is not like 10 years ago many ugly hoes and some high miles hardcore hoes are still around nothing to report.[/QUOTE]Disappointing but true, I think we all carry a gene in our DNA that pops it's head out every so often and whispers in our mongers ears that the "girl likes us" or "surely I am different than the other 20 guys she has banged this week" or "our time together was so special that she has to remember my name" or "we had a great connection" or "blah, blah, blah" (fill in the whispers in your ears) but reality is that it is a fantasy, heck I have been guilty of this myself, now just getting too wise and understand it for what it is.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2280964]Disappointing but true, I think we all carry a gene in our DNA that pops it's head out every so often and whispers in our mongers ears that the "girl likes us" or "surely I am different than the other 20 guys she has banged this week" or "our time together was so special that she has to remember my name" or "we had a great connection" or "blah, blah, blah" (fill in the whispers in your ears) but reality is that it is a fantasy, heck I have been guilty of this myself, now just getting too wise and understand it for what it is.[/QUOTE]The best one can hope for is a multi-visit, multi-year relationship where the girl bangs the hell out of you each and every time. In the Help days (sorry Help is not really the point here), you would run into the same girls year after year. I ran into a 19 year old fucking machine who I spent two whole nights and days in 2000. We emailed and I hooked up with her three more times between 2000-2005. She added a tad of weight and her ass got bigger to outstanding effect.

She never brought up marriage although when she was 19 I think she was very happy to be banging a nice, youngish guy. So long story short, Claudia would always hang out by the stairs in front of the bathrooms. I saw her last time around 2006-2007 in the same spot and we smiled. I approached her and she freaked out. She was with someone. He looked like a slick Italian dude. Good for her.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2280964]Disappointing but true, I think we all carry a gene in our DNA that pops it's head out every so often and whispers in our mongers ears that the "girl likes us" or "surely I am different than the other 20 guys she has banged this week" or "our time together was so special that she has to remember my name" or "we had a great connection" or "blah, blah, blah" (fill in the whispers in your ears) but reality is that it is a fantasy, heck I have been guilty of this myself, now just getting too wise and understand it for what it is.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]I believe that some of these women may, in fact, be lonely and crave masculine companionship outside of p4 p. The friendliest providers I have met have been in Europe. A Czech wg once took me on a tour of Prague in her car many years ago. Similarly, a Hungarian I met in an FKK in Frankfurt drove me around. No money was asked for and none was provided although I did supply drinks and meals. I took it no further. Did they like me? Probably not, but who knows for sure.

I know this is late but I was in Rio the last week of November and beginning of December before heading to Angeles.

Just a quick mini report since its been over two month since ground zero and I am sure it has changed as Carnival is near.

Hit the various termas- Centarus, Solarium, Monte Carlo and 4 x4. Monte Carlo has fell off in selection of girls went twice but only session one time. Centarus I did not session and the girls seem all business and thought I had prepaid for a session which I believe some guys do. I enjoyed 4 x4 but I had the best time in Solarium and went there several times. Sad thing is I don't recall the girls names.

You can say what you want about Mabs but I like to go mainly to observe plus I know several of the independent workers (10). I lucked into a good one in that she was never seen there before by the other garotas. Being me I had to experience her, immediately call her over to my table. She was there to make extra money for her tuition--she got some book money from me. Funny thing is the girls have not seen her back there since; maybe Carnival will bring her back. Yes the garotas have a group chat and know who you been with if you ever take one; so if you ever take one from Mabs then 20 girls will know what you paid, if you cum quick, if you tip and any all the information you gave to the one you took. Yes I know your information cause they showed me and let me read their group chat. Yes they know I am going to penetrate that bunda.

I know this was not helpful but I have not posted in years. Next time I post it will be more detailed. Guess I should not go to Angeles City thread without detailed report, Ugh.

[QUOTE=AmericanWarrior;2281751]Yes the garotas have a group chat and know who you been with if you ever take one; so if you ever take one from Mabs then 20 girls will know what you paid, if you cum quick, if you tip and any all the information you gave to the one you took. Yes I know your information cause they showed me and let me read their group chat. Yes they know I am going to penetrate that bunda.[/QUOTE]I have heard this same thing in the Thai forum. I posed a question there that nobody answered and I will also pose it here as well. So when some chick writes about a guy how do they know who is who? There are 800 dudes named Pete, and surely each Pete has not introduced themselves to every girl. Unless maybe they are talking pictures of you and post it everytime they write something about you. So is it Pete that was wearing a yellow shirt Tuesday? Or Pete with the grey beard? Or Pete with the Australian accent? See it is easy for us to talk about Patricia that squirts because only so many chicks come through that place. But there are thousands of dudes.

What information are you speaking of? For instance I was at Mab's the other night. The one chick I met I was speaking to in Portuguese. I told her it was my first time in Brazil and I studied it back home before I came. She did not believe me. She said a guy she knows has been coming to Brazil for 15 years and struggles saying Oi. Tudo bem. So I pulled the waitress over that has seen me 1 million times and said have you ever seen me here before? She does not believe this is my first time here. The waitress said no. None of the other people that were around her could attest to seeing me either. Might I add that I have been going to Mabs for 18 years. So maybe the guys you are talking about are making a lot of waves and drawing a bunch of attention to themselves.

The girl I was talking to stayed with me until 4 the next afternoon for 150 reais. I hope they get that word out so those broads will already know what the deal is when they walk over to me!

This past Friday my plan was to go over to Dolce Vita to check out the late night crowd. But it was a little too early so I went to the top of the Pestana hotel to kill an hour. The DJ was playing, there was a birthday party going on, various couples sitting around and some single girls and guys. I didn't think nothing was going on, there were a few nice looking girls but none looked like GDP's except one big fat blonde black lady who gave me some attention LOL no thanks. So I thought I would just have a drink or 2 and then leave. Then 2 hot chicks walked around the bar and stopped to talk a few feet from me, again they didn't look like GDP's at all. One young Brazilian guy moves in quickly and is talking to one of them, the other one the one I really liked had short skirt on and heels, mid 20's. I wanted to talk to her but if she wasn't a GDP it would just be short conversation, so I just go over and say Hello, and I got a good vibe.

We talked a while about various things she was European looking from south of Brazil, she told me her and her friends were on there way to barra to attend another friends birthday party. I invited her to dinner next day, she said how about we get together now and you give me a present. I'm like yeah I'm Up for a present in cash form of course. Off to my place we went, she was really nice, a good time was had by all. Another option in Rio.

[QUOTE=RioBob;2282623]

We talked a while about various things she was European looking from south of Brazil, she told me her and her friends were on there way to barra to attend another friends birthday party. I invited her to dinner next day, she said how about we get together now and you give me a present. I'm like yeah I'm Up for a present in cash form of course. Off to my place we went, she was really nice, a good time was had by all. Another option in Rio.[/QUOTE]Cool story Rio Bob, it has happened to me before as well (3 times in fact) I met a young pretty girl at Rio sul, noticed her glancing at me a few times. I walked over and said Hello, and she invited me to sit at her table. We talked for about 5 minutes about where she was from, where I was from, the normal chit chat. Just when I was thinking about asking for her number so I could ask her out on a date, she goes "I've seen you before". When I asked where, she responds "You were in club help last Saturday!" Instantly I felt dejected and upset because here I was thinking I was making great time with a regular woman and she turned out to be a working girl. It sucked!

[QUOTE=Rio Bob;2282623]This past Friday my plan was to go over to Dolce Vita to check out the late night crowd. But it was a little too early so I went to the top of the Pestana hotel to kill an hour. The DJ was playing, there was a birthday party going on, various couples sitting around and some single girls and guys. I didn't think nothing was going on, there were a few nice looking girls but none looked like GDP's except one big fat blonde black lady who gave me some attention LOL no thanks.[/QUOTE]
I saw that big fat blonde black lady. She had a very trashy look. She flirted with me as well. I think it was her birthday party. Actually there were two birthday parties at Pestana last Friday. I didn't stay long at Pestana, but I noticed three girls that were obvious GPs. One of them looked nice. Long hair, nice face, slim and dressed in a short tight dress.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2282736]I saw that big fat blonde black lady. She had a very trashy look. She flirted with me as well. I think it was her birthday party. Actually there were two birthday parties at Pestana last Friday. I didn't stay long at Pestana, but I noticed three girls that were obvious GPs. One of them looked nice. Long hair, nice face, slim and dressed in a short tight dress.[/QUOTE]Yes there were 3, the 3rd showed up when we were leaving, she definitely looked like a GDP, yeah sounds like the girl I was with. If you saw them leave with a guy it was me LOL. I went back Saturday and the fat blonde was there again and there was another birthday party but I couldn't find anything.

Saturday night I was going to go to a swing club with the girl I met at Pestana but negotiations broke down about how many couples we would change with and the size of her present and when she would receive it, so I told her she wasn't a good candidate to go to a swing club with so I moved on. She has been texting me ever since saying she made a mistake and wants me to give her a second chance.

Saturday night I ended up at Dolce Vita, 2 am place was packed, many different types of girls but a few real nice ones, I left with a girl 1. 8 cm tall with heels even taller, we had fun dancing samba in my place, Dolce Vita is like a mini Help but a 10th the size too bad. I remember when the space was a place called Holiday over 30 years ago, I took girls out of there then too.

[QUOTE=RioBob;2282749]Saturday night I ended up at Dolce Vita, 2 am place was packed, many different types of girls but a few real nice ones, I left with a girl 1. 8 cm tall with heels even taller, we had fun dancing samba in my place, Dolce Vita is like a mini Help but a 10th the size too bad. I remember when the space was a place called Holiday over 30 years ago, I took girls out of there then too.[/QUOTE]I've propably only been to Dolce Vita once since it changed name from Holiday. I heard very good reviews from a friend who frequent DV. He picked up several freebies at DV.

I've passed by DV at 5. 30 AM several times on my morning runs. It seems like the place is sometimes open until 6 AM.

A recommendation for those who enjoy negras.

Dalilas (ex-Anittas) Massagem. Diana, negra, 22 years, cute, "microphone-hair", very nice tits, larger than mediumsize and very firm, no kids, shaved p*ssy (tight) and a very wellshaped and firm round butt just a bit larger than a mediumsize. A very sweet girl, an impressive sight when she stands doggystyle, performs excellent and finished BBBJCIM. Allowed multiple photos. R$100/30 min.

Cabinstyle puteiro but with clean sheets and towels. Shower before and after.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2282924]I've propably only been to Dolce Vita once since it changed name from Holiday. I heard very good reviews from a friend who frequent DV. He picked up several freebies at DV.

I've passed by DV at 5. 30 AM several times on my morning runs. It seems like the place is sometimes open until 6 AM.[/QUOTE]La Dolce Vita is a great nightclub where you are certain to meet some very attractive women, the next best option is Kalabria around the corner. I am a regular in both clubs. One word of caution, you receive a card on entry and then run up a tab. Be smart and keep a track of how many drinks you have bought or you may be in for a surprise when it comes time to leave. Particularly in La Dolce Vita I have seen gringos arguing about the bill claiming that they didn't drink that much. My tip is get known over several nights to the staff there, tip your favourite waiter and the doorman and don't get so drunk that you can't remember how many drinks you have had. For late night fun DV and Kalabria are great options.

Anyone uses Prep. I plan to come to Brazil for the first time. I will be outside my country for the first time. I plan to have sex with girls condomless. How effective is Prep? When do I have to start?

[QUOTE=Sperto;2282925]A recommendation for those who enjoy negras.

Dalilas (ex-Anittas) Massagem. Diana, negra, 22 years, cute, "microphone-hair", very nice tits, larger than mediumsize and very firm, no kids, shaved p*ssy (tight) and a very wellshaped and firm round butt just a bit larger than a mediumsize. A very sweet girl, an impressive sight when she stands doggystyle, performs excellent and finished BBBJCIM. Allowed multiple photos. R$100/30 min.

Cabinstyle puteiro but with clean sheets and towels. Shower before and after.[/QUOTE]SPERTO thanks for your valuable information. Best mulatas and negras you find in Rio, in the small CLnicas.

ABG.

[QUOTE=Rocinha;2283013]One word of caution, you receive a card on entry and then run up a tab. Be smart and keep a track of how many drinks you have bought or you may be in for a surprise when it comes time to leave. Particularly in La Dolce Vita I have seen gringos arguing about the bill claiming that they didn't drink that much. [/QUOTE]Exactly why I didn't go in there the other week ago. Dude told me it was 50 to go in. Before I paid, I asked for a menu to see how much caipirinhas were. 25. I said fuck that. I was not about to walk in there and pay 75 reais to drink 1 drink, plus if the Mab's chick that I was with would have wanted something. She said you are so cheap. Then came my favorite words: Well bih you pay for it then. I don't have money. Well shut the fuck up then.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2283241]Exactly why I didn't go in there the other week ago. Dude told me it was 50 to go in. Before I paid, I asked for a menu to see how much caipirinhas were. 25. I said fuck that. I was not about to walk in there and pay 75 reais to drink 1 drink, plus if the Mab's chick that I was with would have wanted something. She said you are so cheap. Then came my favorite words: Well bih you pay for it then. I don't have money. Well shut the fuck up then.[/QUOTE]Yeah the place is not cheap. For 50 reais entrada they used to give you a ticket for 1 national drink, this time I had to ask for it and he gave it to me. Johnny walker black on the rocks 95 reais ouch. Usually I just get my free drink find a girl and leave. The other night a girl I was going to leave with asked me to buy her a drink, I told her no that I have Johnny walker blue back at my place let's go! It seems the girls get in for free so they hit the guys hard on the prices. It only makes sense to go in to get a girl not to bring one, there's plenty of other clubs for that.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2282925]A recommendation for those who enjoy negras.

Dalilas (ex-Anittas) Massagem. Diana, negra, 22 years, cute, "microphone-hair", very nice tits, larger than mediumsize and very firm, no kids, shaved p*ssy (tight) and a very wellshaped and firm round butt just a bit larger than a mediumsize. A very sweet girl, an impressive sight when she stands doggystyle, performs excellent and finished BBBJCIM. Allowed multiple photos. R$100/30 min.

Cabinstyle puteiro but with clean sheets and towels. Shower before and after.[/QUOTE]I assume this website is Dallias Massagem?

[URL]https://dalila-massagem.negocio.site/[/URL]

[QUOTE=GuySexLife;2283112]Anyone uses Prep. I plan to come to Brazil for the first time. I will be outside my country for the first time. I plan to have sex with girls condomless. How effective is Prep? When do I have to start?[/QUOTE]Greeting from Mogolia.

I don't advise you not to use it. You won't be protected from other sexual diseases. Prep is very bad for your body. Especially your kidney and liver. It was used in the past by HIV positive people. Most of them suffered from severe side effects. Prep is not fully studied in HIV negative people.

As a straight man, you won't have trouble with HIV. As long as you don't use any illicit drug. If I was you I would keep using condoms. 1 to be protected from other sexual diseases. 2 not to fuck up your organs. 3 not to have unwanted children. In Brazil when you make babies it's very serious You risk paying all your life. Even if they take the pills, you are not sure because many can lie.

HIV is the last thing I will worry about. 1) because 82 per cent of people having HIV in Brazil are gays, bisexuals or MSM. 2) HIV through heterosexual sex in Brazil is very rare. Most straight men with HIV in Brazil have hepatitis and got it from UV drug or from their mother. 10 per cent of HIV people are women and 8 per cent are straight men.

Please keep using your condom because there are so many left babies in this world and other sexual diseases that can damage your body and be resistant to antibiotic or medication when getting it more than once.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2283972]Greeting from Mogolia.

I don't advise you not to use it. You won't be protected from other sexual diseases. Prep is very bad for your body. Especially your kidney and liver. It was used in the past by HIV positive people. Most of them suffered from severe side effects. Prep is not fully studied in HIV negative people.

As a straight man, you won't have trouble with HIV. As long as you don't use any illicit drug. If I was you I would keep using condoms. 1 to be protected from other sexual diseases. 2 not to fuck up your organs. 3 not to have unwanted children. In Brazil when you make babies it's very serious You risk paying all your life. Even if they take the pills, you are not sure because many can lie.

HIV is the last thing I will worry about. 1) because 82 per cent of people having HIV in Brazil are gays, bisexuals or MSM. 2) HIV through heterosexual sex in Brazil is very rare. Most straight men with HIV in Brazil have hepatitis and got it from UV drug or from their mother. 10 per cent of HIV people are women and 8 per cent are straight men.

Please keep using your condom because there are so many left babies in this world and other sexual diseases that can damage your body and be resistant to antibiotic or medication when getting it more than once.[/QUOTE]What girls would allow you to have sex without protection anyway?

[QUOTE=JamieStarr38;2284233]What girls would allow you to have sex without protection anyway?[/QUOTE]Filipina ones. That's who.

[QUOTE=JamieStarr38;2284233]What girls would allow you to have sex without protection anyway?[/QUOTE]Many girls don't use protection, that's why there are so many unwanted children in Brazil and many single mothers. Every kind of girl has sex without protection.

[QUOTE=JamieStarr38;2284233]What girls would allow you to have sex without protection anyway?[/QUOTE]Nearly all of them.

[QUOTE=JamieStarr38;2284233]What girls would allow you to have sex without protection anyway?[/QUOTE]The girls with the greatest possibility of already having an STD.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2284255]Many girls don't use protection, that's why there are so many unwanted children in Brazil and many single mothers. Every kind of girl has sex without protection.[/QUOTE]No what I meant, with complete strangers or us mongers.

Hey guys,

8 weeks away from my trip to Rio. What kind of exchange rate are you getting? Which banks gives the best exchange?

[QUOTE=JamieStarr38;2284504]No what I meant, with complete strangers or us mongers.[/QUOTE]What didn't you like about ET's answer or MFS's answer? Or The Cane's even better answer!

[QUOTE=JamieStarr38;2284537]8 weeks away from my trip to Rio. What kind of exchange rate are you getting? Which banks gives the best exchange?[/QUOTE]Seriously? Just go stick your card in a machine and get money out. Why even worry about an exchange rate 8 weeks out? But if it helps any, I recently withdrew 1000 reais from Bradesco and $265.87 came out the other end. That is 3.76 reais to the USD to save you some math.

[QUOTE=JamieStarr38;2284537]Hey guys,

8 weeks away from my trip to Rio. What kind of exchange rate are you getting? Which banks gives the best exchange?[/QUOTE]Yeah, this question gets raised periodically. Awhile back, some people discussed getting a better than the official rate from three cambios on the same street in Copa. Yes, that can happen in a country where the government might meddle in the currency market. I think it was an aberration. I also think it's possible it could have been local drug money flowing into dollars.

I'm an ATM (with no FX fees) guy. I understand there are guys who have cash (dollars) and like using cash.

I was lucky enough to have a short business trip to Rio. Unfortunately I was not able to book my own accommodations and work booked me in the Radisson in Barra DaTijuca (not to be confused with just Tijuca). This is a substantial distance from Centro or even Copa. I don't really know of any termas in Barra, although a local recommended a place in Barra called Perola Negra (Black Pearl) and I believe it is a termas. I asked several questions and from our limited ability to communicate I feel confident that the information he gave was there were plenty of woman there, it wasn't a regular club, or strip club (although there is pole dance shows), and I would enjoy it. They have a website I looked at a day later [URL]http://perolanegraclub.com.br/inicio/[/URL] and it looks like an upscale terma. Maybe someone else has some info, I never made it there.

If you find yourself in Barra the street for bars and restaurants is Av. Olegrio Maciel. It's where most of the nightlife is in that area.

I did finally make it to Monte Carlo on my final day there and here's a short report.

Monte Carlo:

Hopefully I got this right. Prices:

Entry 120.

Cabine 100.

Girl 240 for 40 minutes.

Total 460 (I know the total is correct) So that's $123 US. I've seen there are specials if you sign up for their news letter.

The boate is fairly small. I arrived right after 5:00 pm on a Thursday and there was about 8-10 girls,. And me. There were definitely 3 solid girls, a couple I didn't find attractive, and the rest I didn't get a good look at so I can't really comment. I went to the bar and ordered a beer. Near the bar was a very nice looking girl. Smiling at me. So I said Hello, and the ritual begins. I believe her name was Elaina. Music was a little loud and I may have got that wrong. She had long black hair, she was slender but had all the right curves. Said she was 26 yrs old. Beautiful smile, nice kisser. She speaks decent English so I preformed my field interview and all goes well except she doesn't give up the ass (not a deal breaker for me). She 's not offended by any of my questions and she's playful and laughs and smiles and is affectionate with the kisses so she passes the test and off we go.

She takes my bracelet with my number on it and gets us a cabine, takes about 5 minutes, comes back and we go into a very small room with a small bed. It's got aircon and music, it's sufficient to complete the deed. She undresses and she has a full back tattoo of I think it was a dragon. I thought it looked fairly cool. She wasn't tatted up everywhere else. When the clothes come off the body is still smoking hot Gravity does not impose it's will yet to this beautiful body. Oh, I should mention in my haste I made a rookie mistake and did not discuss CBJ or BBBJ. So when the action starts she goes for CBJ. Things were going well and there was good chemistry, I decided not to address the subject. So be sure to ask, this was my bad. Anyway she's playful and all smiles and gives a really good BJ even if it was a CBJ. Then she gets on top cowgirl, reverse cowgirl, and finally doggy with me standing and her on the bed on all fours. She's fucks like a champ and had a great attitude throughout. For an older (late 40's), not very slim anymore guy, it was exactly what you want from a termas experience. She was a good actress and made me feel young again for about an hour. Couple side notes. Both the receptionist and the door guy asked for a tip. Neither was aggressive about it but I find this annoying. Tipping has its time and place for certain services when a good to outstanding performance of that service is received. Anyway just thought I'd mention it. FYI, I did not tip either.

So of course I wish I had more time for a round 2 but unfortunately the night before there was a huge storm in Rio and it caused power outages, flooding, mud slides, and lots of trees broken and tree limbs all over the roads. So traffic was worse than normal and I had to get to the airport. Had to expect even more delays than usual so 1 and done. So disappointing. All the way to Rio and I only had time to get one pop in. At least It was a good one.

Cheers,

JCR.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2284580]What didn't you like about ET's answer or MFS's answer? Or The Cane's even better answer!

Seriously? Just go stick your card in a machine and get money out. Why even worry about an exchange rate 8 weeks out? But if it helps any, I recently withdrew 1000 reais from Bradesco and $265.87 came out the other end. That is 3.76 reais to the USD to save you some math.[/QUOTE]3.76 not bad. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Jcr153;2284647]I was lucky enough to have a short business trip to Rio. Unfortunately I was not able to book my own accommodations and work booked me in the Radisson in Barra DaTijuca (not to be confused with just Tijuca). This is a substantial distance from Centro or even Copa. I don't really know of any termas in Barra, although a local recommended a place in Barra called Perola Negra (Black Pearl) and I believe it is a termas. I asked several questions and from our limited ability to communicate I feel confident that the information he gave was there were plenty of woman there, it wasn't a regular club, or strip club (although there is pole dance shows), and I would enjoy it. They have a website I looked at a day later [URL]http://perolanegraclub.com.br/inicio/[/URL] and it looks like an upscale terma. Maybe someone else has some info, I never made it there.

If you find yourself in Barra the street for bars and restaurants is Av. Olegrio Maciel. It's where most of the nightlife is in that area.

I did finally make it to Monte Carlo on my final day there and here's a short report.

Monte Carlo:

Hopefully I got this right. Prices:

Entry 120.

Cabine 100.

Girl 240 for 40 minutes.

Total 460 (I know the total is correct) So that's $123 US. I've seen there are specials if you sign up for their news letter.

The boate is fairly small. I arrived right after 5:00 pm on a Thursday and there was about 8-10 girls,. And me. There were definitely 3 solid girls, a couple I didn't find attractive, and the rest I didn't get a good look at so I can't really comment. I went to the bar and ordered a beer. Near the bar was a very nice looking girl. Smiling at me. So I said Hello, and the ritual begins. I believe her name was Elaina. Music was a little loud and I may have got that wrong. She had long black hair, she was slender but had all the right curves. Said she was 26 yrs old. Beautiful smile, nice kisser. She speaks decent English so I preformed my field interview and all goes well except she doesn't give up the ass (not a deal breaker for me). She 's not offended by any of my questions and she's playful and laughs and smiles and is affectionate with the kisses so she passes the test and off we go.

She takes my bracelet with my number on it and gets us a cabine, takes about 5 minutes, comes back and we go into a very small room with a small bed. It's got aircon and music, it's sufficient to complete the deed. She undresses and she has a full back tattoo of I think it was a dragon. I thought it looked fairly cool. She wasn't tatted up everywhere else. When the clothes come off the body is still smoking hot Gravity does not impose it's will yet to this beautiful body. Oh, I should mention in my haste I made a rookie mistake and did not discuss CBJ or BBBJ. So when the action starts she goes for CBJ. Things were going well and there was good chemistry, I decided not to address the subject. So be sure to ask, this was my bad. Anyway she's playful and all smiles and gives a really good BJ even if it was a CBJ. Then she gets on top cowgirl, reverse cowgirl, and finally doggy with me standing and her on the bed on all fours. She's fucks like a champ and had a great attitude throughout. For an older (late 40's), not very slim anymore guy, it was exactly what you want from a termas experience. She was a good actress and made me feel young again for about an hour. Couple side notes. Both the receptionist and the door guy asked for a tip. Neither was aggressive about it but I find this annoying. Tipping has its time and place for certain services when a good to outstanding performance of that service is received. Anyway just thought I'd mention it. FYI, I did not tip either.

So of course I wish I had more time for a round 2 but unfortunately the night before there was a huge storm in Rio and it caused power outages, flooding, mud slides, and lots of trees broken and tree limbs all over the roads. So traffic was worse than normal and I had to get to the airport. Had to expect even more delays than usual so 1 and done. So disappointing. All the way to Rio and I only had time to get one pop in. At least It was a good one.

Cheers,

JCR.[/QUOTE]I was there two days ago and had the same shit from the doorman. I said forget it mate, what have you done for a tip?

This tipping bullshit is out of control. They see westerners as stupid and weak and that's why they do it. People think tipping is necessary and it's not. If someone does something special then maybe it's appropriate but you can see that people now hold their hands out to westerners. He gets paid a wage to do a job, he doesn't work for free. I have spoken to people in Brazil who love ripping Americans off, they see you as weak. Stand your ground and be a man, tell them to poke it. I see Americans targeted every day on the beach or in taxi ranks outside the hotels. They massively over charge you and you just roll over and pay it. They smile at you and shake your hand but they are stealing from you and have no respect whatsoever for you. I watch them laughing behind your back once you walk away!

Re the club, had a great experience there. The manager is a lovely guy, I also wasn't asked for a tip by the cute receptionist but maybe you had a different lady. I also wasn't asked for a tip by the sauna lady but guess what, whilst I was getting changed an American or Canadian guy walked in and as soon as she heard his accent she said as he walked out " you have a tip for me ".

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2283972]Greeting from Mogolia. I don't advise you not to use it. You won't be protected from other sexual diseases. Prep is very bad for your body. Especially your kidney and liver. It was used in the past by HIV positive people. Most of them suffered from severe side effects. Prep is not fully studied in HIV negative people.[/QUOTE]Isn't it possible to make the disease drug resistant by self medicating? I believe that's how Super Gonorrhea came into being.

[QUOTE=JamieStarr38;2284537]Hey guys, 8 weeks away from my trip to Rio. What kind of exchange rate are you getting? Which banks gives the best exchange?[/QUOTE]The exchange rate is in constant flux. 8 weeks from now, it will be higher or lower than today. The higher rates will be found at the cambios, not the banks. But you'll have to exchange around $1 K usd to get that. Also make sure your bills are crisp and clean. No marks nor tears on them. [URL]xe.com[/URL] [URL]oanda.com[/URL] will give you the current exchange rates for all currencies. They even have apps for you smartphone.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2284832]The exchange rate is in constant flux. 8 weeks from now, it will be higher or lower than today. The higher rates will be found at the cambios, not the banks. But you'll have to exchange around $1 K usd to get that. Also make sure your bills are crisp and clean. No marks nor tears on them. [URL]xe.com[/URL] [URL]oanda.com[/URL] will give you the current exchange rates for all currencies. They even have apps for you smartphone.[/QUOTE]I have budgeted about $2000 - 3000.00 US for the girls. I plan to indulge in every fantasy I can think of. Threesomes, foursomes, watching girls have sex. I really want to focus on bisexual girls. With that being said, kind of nervous walking around.

With that kind of cash. Are you guys telling your banks you are traveling to Rio, are you setting up alerts when money is withdrawn?

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2284832]The exchange rate is in constant flux. 8 weeks from now, it will be higher or lower than today. The higher rates will be found at the cambios, not the banks. But you'll have to exchange around $1 K usd to get that. Also make sure your bills are crisp and clean. No marks nor tears on them. [URL]xe.com[/URL] [URL]oanda.com[/URL] will give you the current exchange rates for all currencies. They even have apps for you smartphone.[/QUOTE]Xe and oanda give commercial rates for traders. Unless you have 100 k on account somewhere, you aren't getting that. Retail is 10-20 percent lower.

If you know any Brazilians ask them if they a member of a "clube do cambio". These are private "grey" market groups that buy and sell. You'll get rates maybe 30% higher than the official rate.

[QUOTE=Dave1111;2284716]I was there two days ago and had the same shit from the doorman. I said forget it mate, what have you done for a tip?

This tipping bullshit is out of control. They see westerners as stupid and weak and that's why they do it. People think tipping is necessary and it's not. If someone does something special then maybe it's appropriate but you can see that people now hold their hands out to westerners. He gets paid a wage to do a job, he doesn't work for free. I have spoken to people in Brazil who love ripping Americans off, they see you as weak. Stand your ground and be a man, tell them to poke it. I see Americans targeted every day on the beach or in taxi ranks outside the hotels. They massively over charge you and you just roll over and pay it. They smile at you and shake your hand but they are stealing from you and have no respect whatsoever for you. I watch them laughing behind your back once you walk away!

Re the club, had a great experience there. The manager is a lovely guy, I also wasn't asked for a tip by the cute receptionist but maybe you had a different lady. I also wasn't asked for a tip by the sauna lady but guess what, whilst I was getting changed an American or Canadian guy walked in and as soon as she heard his accent she said as he walked out " you have a tip for me ".[/QUOTE]I've travelled enough to know where and when tipping is the right course of action. And just to reiterate, I did not tip either of them. I mentioned it because much like you I thought it was bullshit. But thanks for the warning to all other Americans.

So guys share your experiences in Rio with having threesomes, foursomes or just watching beautiful women have sex.

[QUOTE=JamieStarr38;2284929]Are you guys telling your banks you are traveling to Rio, are you setting up alerts when money is withdrawn?[/QUOTE]If you don't tell them, they'll think it's fraudulent and block the card. Yes to the alerts.

[QUOTE=JamieStarr38;2285018]So guys share your experiences in Rio with having threesomes, foursomes or just watching beautiful women have sex.[/QUOTE]I don't get it. You have already been to Brazil several times. Why are you asking questions like this will be your first time?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2285093]I don't get it. You have already been to Brazil several times. Why are you asking questions like this will be your first time?[/QUOTE]Like to get other members perspective. Want this experience to be more wilder, hence the question about bisexual women.

[QUOTE=Jib Reach;2284934]If you know any Brazilians ask them if they a member of a "clube do cambio". These are private "grey" market groups that buy and sell. You'll get rates maybe 30% higher than the official rate.[/QUOTE]The official rate if you sell USD is about 3,70.
30% higher would mean 4,81... Impressive rate.

I never heard about "clube do cambio" but an alternative could be looking for doleiros if you have a large amount of cash.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2285257]The official rate if you sell USD is about 3,70. 30% higher would mean 4,81... Impressive rate. I never heard about "clube do cambio" but an alternative could be looking for doleiros if you have a large amount of cash.[/QUOTE]Someone "washing" dirty money? Yikes!

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2284826]Isn't it possible to make the disease drug resistant by self medicating? I believe that's how Super Gonorrhea came into being.[/QUOTE]As a dermatologist / venereologist. Gonorrhea is the most common sexual disease followed by HPV warts and herpes. Drinking a lot of water is good to prevent gonorrhea. Drug resisistant only happens when you don't continue medication or when you get the same disease many times. HPV warts only happen when your immune system can't fight hpv infection. Most hpv infections are dormant and go on their own after 1 year. When you have good immune system. Most sexual active people get hpv in their life without developping any wart thanks to their good immune system. There are ove 100 types of HPV. HPV 16 and 18 are the most dangerous. Drug resistant is bad because it fucks up your immune system and can't cure the disease well. That's why condom is good.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2285550]As a dermatologist / venereologist. Gonorrhea is the most common sexual disease followed by HPV warts and herpes. Drinking a lot of water is good to prevent gonorrhea. Drug resisistant only happens when you don't continue medication or when you get the same disease many times. HPV warts only happen when your immune system can't fight hpv infection. Most hpv infections are dormant and go on their own after 1 year. When you have good immune system. Most sexual active people get hpv in their life without developping any wart thanks to their good immune system. There are ove 100 types of HPV. HPV 16 and 18 are the most dangerous. Drug resistant is bad because it fucks up your immune system and can't cure the disease well. That's why condom is good.[/QUOTE]Mo Mo ngerForSex when are you going to be in Rio I would like to meet up with you.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2285257]The official rate if you sell USD is about 3,70.
30% higher would mean 4,81... Impressive rate.

I never heard about "clube do cambio" but an alternative could be looking for doleiros if you have a large amount of cash.[/QUOTE]Kind of like an investment club. People get together with their dollars and obtain economies of scale. I certainly haven't participated in the back office of these, but we can all imagine who in Brazil would be likely to have large amounts of Reais that they want to convert and are willing to pay a premium.

[QUOTE=JamieStarr38;2285018]So guys share your experiences in Rio with having threesomes, foursomes or just watching beautiful women have sex.[/QUOTE]I prefer having sex with girls that know each other, because the experience is better. I had sex with three girls at the same time, the girls know each other, experience was better. I also like watching them kiss each other and lick pussies.

I like having sex while licking pussy. I also like them when they suck me.

[QUOTE=JibReach;2284934]Xe and oanda give commercial rates for traders. Unless you have 100 k on account somewhere, you aren't getting that. Retail is 10-20 percent lower.

If you know any Brazilians ask them if they a member of a "clube do cambio". These are private "grey" market groups that buy and sell. You'll get rates maybe 30% higher than the official rate.[/QUOTE]On Friday 2/1/19 XE had BRL to the dollar as 3. 66. I went to the first cambio on Rua Xavier the Silveira in Copacabana and asked him how much for dollar he told me 3. 71, I asked him for a little more he went to 3. 72 and I changed my money. This exchange was slightly better than XE.

[QUOTE=JamieStarr38;2285018]So guys share your experiences in Rio with having threesomes, foursomes or just watching beautiful women have sex.[/QUOTE]Just about any girl in Brazil will go with another girl. This past week I had a FB friend come over and we were talking on my terrace having a drink and she showed me some of her friends pictures. I said lets get one of your friends to come over too, a nice 21 year old showed up and I called a buddy over. The girls did each other and me and my buddy did both girls. This is very common in Rio, we had drinks and music going on a rainy day in Rio and it was all good. Go and have a good time it's all there waiting for you.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2284580]Seriously? Just go stick your card in a machine and get money out. Why even worry about an exchange rate 8 weeks out? But if it helps any, I recently withdrew 1000 reais from Bradesco and $265.87 came out the other end. That is 3.76 reais to the USD to save you some math.[/QUOTE]Be carefull with sticking your card in any machine. I know at least 3 people who used ATM machines (doesn't matter the bank) an got taken. The checking accounts got cleared out. Two of my friends got their accounts blocked and upon returning home got their respective funds back quickly within days of reporting incident. The third got money back but had to file a police (in USA) report before the bank would initiate an investigation, got funds back a month later. Best to take cash and exchange at Cambio. Try to avoid ATM but if you want to go that route make sure what your bank fraud policy is and notify they you will be using ATM card.

Also most ATMS have Daily amount restrictions (regardless of what your USA Bank withdrawal amount is) generally around 500 are per day or less.

Having a threesome with hookers is so much better than a threesome with regular girls. Hookers know what to do, regular girls even if they are ok to do it they just don't know what to do. Better to pay. I have had several threesoms with girls I picked up at MAPS damage was 300 r each down to 150 r each. I am on my way back tomorrow 2/13 I can't wait.

The hotrod.

After I bragged that I have been to RIO at least 25 times, members have asked me which brothel I would recommend. Well I am embarrassed to say I have only been to one working girl house. It was in the city in an office building on the 22 floor and the elevator only went up to the 21 floor. I can't remember much else except that it was an office building with people in suite and tie escorting customers to their offices. This was strange. The place was great it had maybe 10 chicas and it was 170 r for an hour. Clean rooms and clean showers. I'm sure other members will recognise my description. But really that just isn't my cup of tea. I prefer a bar like MABS were I can drink and flirt with the hookers and negotiate a price. I like to spend more time talking to the hooooookers.

Hotrod.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2285550]As a dermatologist / venereologist. Gonorrhea is the most common sexual disease followed by HPV warts and herpes. Drinking a lot of water is good to prevent gonorrhea. Drug resisistant only happens when you don't continue medication or when you get the same disease many times. HPV warts only happen when your immune system can't fight hpv infection. Most hpv infections are dormant and go on their own after 1 year. When you have good immune system. Most sexual active people get hpv in their life without developping any wart thanks to their good immune system. There are ove 100 types of HPV. HPV 16 and 18 are the most dangerous. Drug resistant is bad because it fucks up your immune system and can't cure the disease well. That's why condom is good.[/QUOTE]I regret not studying enough.

[QUOTE=UniversalX;2286267]Be carefull with sticking your card in any machine. I know at least 3 people who used ATM machines (doesn't matter the bank) an got taken. The checking accounts got cleared out. Two of my friends got their accounts blocked and upon returning home got their respective funds back quickly within days of reporting incident. The third got money back but had to file a police (in USA) report before the bank would initiate an investigation, got funds back a month later. Best to take cash and exchange at Cambio. Try to avoid ATM but if you want to go that route make sure what your bank fraud policy is and notify they you will be using ATM card.

Also most ATMS have Daily amount restrictions (regardless of what your USA Bank withdrawal amount is) generally around 500 are per day or less.[/QUOTE]I recommend that you try to NEVER use your credit card in Rio either!! Not even using it at your hotel is safe, I know a couple of people ho had issue and they only used it to book their rooms.

[QUOTE=Hotrod10;2286278]Having a threesome with hookers is so much better than a threesome with regular girls. Hookers know what to do, regular girls even if they are ok to do it they just don't know what to do. Better to pay. I have had several threesoms with girls I picked up at MAPS damage was 300 r each down to 150 r each. I am on my way back tomorrow 2/13 I can't wait.

The hotrod.[/QUOTE]Not that my experience with working girls has been bad, but I find women who enjoy sex for sex's sake are much better. I even have done threesomes with lesbian couples who had been in relationships with men in the past and missed the real thing.

[QUOTE=Hotrod10;2286286]After I bragged that I have been to RIO at least 25 times, members have asked me which brothel I would recommend. Well I am embarrassed to say I have only been to one working girl house. It was in the city in an office building on the 22 floor and the elevator only went up to the 21 floor. I can't remember much else except that it was an office building with people in suite and tie escorting customers to their offices. This was strange. The place was great it had maybe 10 chicas and it was 170 r for an hour. Clean rooms and clean showers. I'm sure other members will recognise my description. But really that just isn't my cup of tea. I prefer a bar like MABS were I can drink and flirt with the hookers and negotiate a price. I like to spend more time talking to the hooooookers.

Hotrod.[/QUOTE]I agree with you on that the best brothels are where you can hang around with the hookers and talk even VM is better than shitty prives etc.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2285957]I prefer having sex with girls that know each other, because the experience is better. I had sex with three girls at the same time, the girls know each other, experience was better. I also like watching them kiss each other and lick pussies.

I like having sex while licking pussy. I also like them when they suck me.[/QUOTE]3 girls, wow. Having a mini orgy is such a bucket list item for me.

[QUOTE=ExecTalent;2286539]Not that my experience with working girls has been bad, but I find women who enjoy sex for sex's sake are much better. I even have done threesomes with lesbian couples who had been in relationships with men in the past and missed the real thing.[/QUOTE]How were you able to find a lesbian couple?

I will be staying in a nice apartment in Ipanema. So what are you guys doing to entertain the girls, get them to relax and like you so they screw the hell out of you. Popular wines, drinks, small gifts etc.

BTW, I am a non drinker, hate the stuff.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2286532]I recommend that you try to NEVER use your credit card in Rio either!! Not even using it at your hotel is safe, I know a couple of people who had issue and they only used it to book their rooms.[/QUOTE]I have used a credit card to pay for rooms at reputable hotels during all of my many visits to Brazil and have never, ever had any sort of problem whatsoever. Based upon that personal experience, I do not agree with your recommendation with respect to hotels.

[QUOTE=Hotrod10;2286286]After I bragged that I have been to RIO at least 25 times, members have asked me which brothel I would recommend. Well I am embarrassed to say I have only been to one working girl house. It was in the city in an office building on the 22 floor and the elevator only went up to the 21 floor. I can't remember much else except that it was an office building with people in suite and tie escorting customers to their offices. This was strange. The place was great it had maybe 10 chicas and it was 170 r for an hour. Clean rooms and clean showers. I'm sure other members will recognize my description. But really that just isn't my cup of tea. I prefer a bar like MABS were I can drink and flirt with the hookers and negotiate a price. I like to spend more time talking to the hooooookers.

Hotrod.[/QUOTE]I believe you visited Duda's or Bel Prazer.

[QUOTE=JamieStarr38;2286604]I will be staying in a nice apartment in Ipanema. So what are you guys doing to entertain the girls, get them to relax and like you so they screw the hell out of you. Popular wines, drinks, small gifts etc.

BTW, I am a non drinker, hate the stuff.[/QUOTE]Simple Answer: $$$ is what they want and take your clothes off and get busy. Just kidding, not!

Do your homework first when your on the hunt. Talk to them get a sense if they like you and want to be with you verses them wanting to be with your $$ Determine if there is some chemistry. Etc.

I tend to find most just want to get to work and don't require any amenities / entertainment at your residence to enjoy themselves. Now some nice music doesn't hurt.

I do not recommend you carry or stock a bar since I tend to find If you offer a drink its 50/50 if they accept. Now for drinks I tend to have, and they tend to want Dark Liquor like Rum or Jack Daniels or Jack Honey or American Honey or Crown Royal Apple (don't to forget mixers like Coke / Pepsi or OJ) or a glass of Champagne. I tend to find that they are not interested too much in Beer / Cerveja like Antarctica, Bohemia, Brahma, Skol, etc since it's so prevalent and easy / cheap to get so it's nothing special to them but if you offer, they may accept.

Gifts you don't need to have any nor should you give any. The only reason to give a gift is if you trying to fall in love LOL!! And want to get them to return. Again what your general conversation and negotiated settlement and your chemistry (if any) will dictate the

[QUOTE] get them to relax and like you so they screw the hell out of you. [/QUOTE]Now if you are in a group scenario (meaning you and your friends) then drinks / conversation / dancing / music can help go a long way but in a one-on-one situation just keep it simple. If they like you then they like you and reap all the benefits.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2285550]As a dermatologist / venereologist. Gonorrhea is the most common sexual disease followed by HPV warts and herpes. Drinking a lot of water is good to prevent gonorrhea. Drug resisistant only happens when you don't continue medication or when you get the same disease many times. HPV warts only happen when your immune system can't fight hpv infection. Most hpv infections are dormant and go on their own after 1 year. When you have good immune system. Most sexual active people get hpv in their life without developping any wart thanks to their good immune system. There are ove 100 types of HPV. HPV 16 and 18 are the most dangerous. Drug resistant is bad because it fucks up your immune system and can't cure the disease well. That's why condom is good.[/QUOTE]What happens if the condom breaks or tears? What should I do? I have never had it so far.

[QUOTE=JamieStarr38;2286600]How were you able to find a lesbian couple?[/QUOTE]In my case, they find me. Even in the US. Nothing like doing a woman from behind while her lover goes to town on her down below.

In all seriousness, endeavor to gain a reputation as a good guy who is good in bed and a giving thoughtful lover. Guys who only care about getting off, need not apply.

Women have a radar for jerks, bad lays but also guys who will rock their world. I am dealing with a situation at the moment with a married friend of a friend who has all but grabbed my junk and showed me what I am missing.

Me too means something totally different to these women. In today's environment, if you are not getting hit on, you really need to do a self-evaluation. I had a young woman recently make it clear that she did not consider herself too young for me. Guys who think it is a numbers game and hit on everything that moves get that reputation. You want the reputation that she or they are lucky you allowed them to chose you.

As a side note, I thought back over a lifetime as to what women seemed to come on to me the most. It was women who were about to enter a committed relationship (marriage in some cases) with a guy who had money but little else. They couldn't take a chance getting caught cheating and lose their payday and lifestyle and wanted to live a little before life as they knew came to an end. Next would be women who were out of town and far away from that kind of guy. Food for thought.

Back to the lesbians. Once you get a reputation, they share your information. They are not looking for other than a sexual relationship with you and for you to be a nice guy who keeps his mouth shut. I have even been asked to father children.

[QUOTE=JamieStarr38;2286604]I will be staying in a nice apartment in Ipanema. So what are you guys doing to entertain the girls, get them to relax and like you so they screw the hell out of you. Popular wines, drinks, small gifts etc.

BTW, I am a non drinker, hate the stuff.[/QUOTE]It has been my experience and for the most part these girls are not big drinkers. Sure I've had a few of them want to drink my whole bottle of whisky but in general that is not common. Don't forget that these girls are working so depending on the time of day you may not be their last customer so they don't want to get too loaded. They are there for the money as this is their job, sure they want you to have a good time and they like repeat business and that's what will get them going with you is the promise of future earnings. If you don't drink just have a few extra beers around to offer them, this should be enough, no need to get fancy.

[QUOTE=JamieStarr38;2286604]I will be staying in a nice apartment in Ipanema. So what are you guys doing to entertain the girls, get them to relax and like you so they screw the hell out of you. Popular wines, drinks, small gifts etc.

BTW, I am a non drinker, hate the stuff.[/QUOTE]That would depend. Who are "the girls" and where are you getting them from? I thought that most guys go to Rio to be entertained, not to do the entertaining. Hookers know why they are there, but it seems that many tricks don't know why the hookers are there. If they are hookers why do you have to give them gifts? I will never understand that. Do you go to the restaurant or car wash giving out gifts to the people that work there? I don't even give regular free chicks gifts; a gift to a hooker? NEVER!

[QUOTE=JamieStarr38;2286604]I will be staying in a nice apartment in Ipanema. So what are you guys doing to entertain the girls, get them to relax and like you so they screw the hell out of you. Popular wines, drinks, small gifts etc.

BTW, I am a non drinker, hate the stuff.[/QUOTE]Brazilian girls like wine. Red or white, it doesn't matter. DON'T buy them gifts. They'll just get lazy, because they start seeing easy money.

I have been with five girls, but that wasn't specially fun. I think a threesome is the best combination, if the girls get along well. If there are more girls, nobody knows anymore what to do. Sometimes it happens that you like one girl more than the other and pay more attention to her and the other gets upset. Then it's time to pay that girl and send her home. Otherwise she's going to ruin the party with her sour face.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2286924]That would depend. Who are "the girls" and where are you getting them from? I thought that most guys go to Rio to be entertained, not to do the entertaining. Hookers know why they are there, but it seems that many tricks don't know why the hookers are there. If they are hookers why do you have to give them gifts? I will never understand that. Do you go to the restaurant or car wash giving out gifts to the people that work there? I don't even give regular free chicks gifts; a gift to a hooker? NEVER![/QUOTE]Do whatever you want. I have been known at the Churrascarias to go back in the kitchen and tip the cooks. Guess it also depends on your personal situation. Seems you would rather ride a bus all over town to save a few reais while most of us want to get where we are going as quickly and safely as possible.