Sosua Reports

[QUOTE=ORourke86;1514589]IMHO, here are three things he did wrong which we all might learn from[/QUOTE]Look, I'm not saying I have it all figured out. I am new here and still have a lot to learn from some of you vets. But following those three rules seems pretty reasonable to me. And its worked out so far. Let me give you an example.

During my last trip, I found myself in a tight spot. I picked up a girl at DL. We agreed on a price: 1500 pesos for ST. She came back. After she showered, I gave her some lingerie and she did some modeling for me while I snapped some photos. It was all smiles and we were having a great time. Then, as we were getting into bed, she asked that I pay her in advance. I said I never pay in advance; we agreed to the price and I will pay her at the end. She said she wanted 1000 pesos up front. I said no. She said (in Spanish)"How do I know you will pay me?" And I replied (in Spanish)"I brought you here. I gave you a nice gift. I've been kind and generous. Do you really think I wouldn't pay you?" This went on for a few more rounds when finally-the mood sufficiently killed-I told her to just put her clothes on and leave.

She said that I would still have to pay her the 1500 and I would have to delete the photos. I agreed to delete the photos (and did) but refused to pay: "No trabajas, no pago!"

She said,"What about my time? You wasted my time?" And I said,"Well, you wasted my time! Why don't you pay me?" We were both pretty pissed at this point. And she said she would not leave until I paid.

What would you do in this situation? Here's what I did: I walked to the balcony of my hotel room and whistled for the security guard. He came over and I asked him to come up. When he came up I told him what happened and asked him "What do I need to pay her to get her to leave?" He said 500 pesos. I gave her 500 pesos (adding a "Pago para nada." to make it seem to her that I though she was getting more than she deserved, though really I though this was pretty fair considering the time we spent together) and he escorted her out. She wasn't very happy. Hell, neither was I! She was a cute little girl and I was looking to do some damage. But that didn't happen.

Note that I neither succumbed to her demand to pay immediately (thereby encouraging future shakedowns) nor refused to pay (causing myself more trouble than it is worth). There is a delicate balance to maintain there.

Anyway, when she was leaving she kept telling the guard she could just call the police. He told her to call them if she wanted; he'd be happy to explain exactly what happened. He clearly had my back and she didn't call. Why did he have my back? I can't say for sure. I don't think it is enough that I was a paying customer at the hotel. Hotels don't usually want guests who cause trouble. It's bad for business. I'd guess it didn't hurt that I had bought him a drink earlier in the week; or that I always talked with him and the others. He knew me. And he had a reason to trust me. So, when the situation turned sour, he had my back. That, in my opinion, is exactly how it is suppose to work.

[QUOTE=ORourke86; 1514589]I recently posted about my awesome trip. But, while I'm at it, let me share my view on someone else's not-so-great time.

While they were waiting for the cops, my buddy called the guy over to the bar and explained that if he didn't pay the 3000 pesos he'd probably be spending the night in jail. This guy had not even considered the possibility that he might be arrested."It's less than $75," my buddy said."Just pay her off." How did this guy respond? He asked us to see if she'd take 2000. She wouldn't. Then he paced around a bit until the cops came. Damn fool. Sure enough, he spent the night in the slammer. And when I spoke with him the next day, it was clear that he would be paying a lot more than 3000 pesos for attorney fees, court fees, settlement, etc.[/QUOTE]Why didn't he just leave? Just jump on the back of one of the gazillion motos that drive by the SB every 1. 5 seconds and give her the peace sign while he drives off. Once she is out of your room, you are half way done with the problem. Just take off for a few hours, come back in the night, pack up your shit and move to a different hotel. Problem solved. (I highly doubt if the police are going to have a massive stake out, hiding in banana trees, just waiting for a gringo who owes a hoe 3 K!)

[QUOTE=Lakeside32;1514997]The Seabreeze is very kool and laidback and serves its purpose very well, but damn it sees its fair-share of drama. My most recent stay there, a guy managed to get one of the chicas that hang around the bar to his room. He finished and all she wanted was 500 pesos! He stood his ground but security finally talked him into paying.[/QUOTE]One of the bartenders? Or just some girl hanging out at the bar? A lot of working girls will stop in for a drink on the way to the main strip. Some of them connect and make a little cash while they are there. But 500 seems really low for a working girl.

In my experience, it isn't easy to pull one of the bartenders there. One is married with a kid. Another has a couple kids, but no man; still, she doesn't seem interested in making a little cash after hours. And the other regular bartender has an American BF. This gives me hope! Haha. But I cannot imagine how much time and money he must have sunk into her to make that happen. Probably more than it is worth to me, but to each his own.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1515032]Are you saying that when he was told that he needed to pay 3000 or go to jail that if you were in his shoes you would have chosen to go to jail? That doesn't sound like a smart decision to me. Personally I wouldn't hand over 3000 pesos just because a girl was wiling to make a scene but this guy was given the choice of pay up or go to jail, he chose jail, that's just f*king stupid.[/QUOTE]I think you are mistaken. When did you read he was given the choice that he needed to pay 3000 or go to jail? Who told him or gave him that choice? Was that from the police? No that wasnt what the OP said. That was from some dude making a suggestion to the guy who happened to be there. It wasnt mentioned if the dude was told to pay or given the choice to pay the 3000 pesos or go to jail by the cops, so I didn't assume that. Is that what you assumed? If you recall, the OP stated the chica allegedly claimed the dude choked her. So I'm not assuming he went to jail because he didn't pay 3000 pesos. I think he went to jail because the cops believed the bullshit the chica told them. They could have easily left the dude alone.

I think your statement of not handing over 3000 pesos just because a girl makes a scene is an honest answer. But what my point is, the actual course of action one takes, depends on you being there and experiencing the issue to know what you would do. If the police were the ones telling me to pay 3000 pesos or go to jail, I'd pay the 3000 pesos. But I wouldn't be quick to fork over money just because some bystander is telling me to. And they surely don't have the power to give me a choice of paying or going to jail.

Earlier this year, I had a problem with a chica at Rockys. Chica sat down next to me. I bought her a beer. 20 or so minutes later the chica claims I owe her for her time because I didn't take her. She threw some beer on me. I let that go to avoid an escalation. But I still didn't pay her. She could have called the police on me. If you were there telling me I better pay her or go to jail, I still wouldn't have paid her. But if the police showed up and told me to pay her or go to jail, then I would pay. It just so happened the dude that was there was right about him probably going to jail. He could easily have been wrong too. Because the reason for going to jail may have been more than just paying 3000 pesos. The OP was honest enough to say we may never know the truth of what really happened. His area of concern made sense though. The guy acted like an asshole towards people around him. And judging by that, it's quite possible the police got a taste of him too. Resulting in him being locked up. My main point is. Where one stands on an issue depends on where they sit. You don't know what you would do until faced with an issue. You seem to have twisted some details somewhat (he was given a choice of paying or jail by whom?) , so I can't answer your question based on that.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1515101]Why didn't he just leave? Just jump on the back of one of the gazillion motos that drive by the SB every 1. 5 seconds and give her the peace sign while he drives off. Once she is out of your room, you are half way done with the problem. Just take off for a few hours, come back in the night, pack up your shit and move to a different hotel. Problem solved. (I highly doubt if the police are going to have a massive stake out, hiding in banana trees, just waiting for a gringo who owes a hoe 3 K!)[/QUOTE]Thats a possible solution. No doubt this dude will have learned something about his situation.

[QUOTE=ORourke86; 1515072]Let me be clear. I said he was an asshole for how he treated the staff. I said he was a fool for not paying 3000 pesos to avoid going to jail. I stand by that. And, when we spoke with him the next day, he thanked my buddy for trying to help him get out of the situation for what, in hindsight, was not a lot of money and agreed that he was foolish for not just paying her to be done with it.

Obviously, you shouldn't pay every girl who jerks you around the least little bit. That would transform Sosua into an endless hassle, with all the girls engaging in a shake down and all the guys paying up. We certainly don't want that.

My point is two-fold.

First, put yourself in a position where it is difficult to be shaken down so easily. Make nice with staff and security. Be a guy that everyone at the bar is willing to say "Nope. If he says he already paid her, he already paid her." If you do that, it makes it much harder for the girl to actually go through with calling the police and all that. She knows everyone is against her. Moreover, she knows she probably won't be picked up by any of those guys at the bar (and there are a lot of repeat travelers in Sosua) and they might tell other guys who tell other guys. So she gets a bad reputation. That's bad for her business! And, at least at the SB, they won't let some girls in if they've had trouble with them before. I doubt she wants all that trouble for a one-shot 3000 pesos. So, if you put yourself in the right situation, you can make it pretty hard for a girl to shake you down.

Second, if you have put yourself in a good position and you are still looking at a pretty unsavory outcome if you don't pay (e. G, spending the night in jail!) , pay her. You've done what you could to protect yourself. Now there are only bad outcomes. It is as simple as choosing the least bad.[/QUOTE]I stand corrected on how you conveyed your earlier message. Question though. Manz911 stated the guy was given the choice to pay the chica 3000 pesos or go to jail. Did the police give him that choice to pay or go to jail? Or did that come from the bystander guy who warned him? Or both? I wouldn't automatically regard the man as a fool just because he didn't pay the chica the money, based on a bystanders warning. I would consider him a fool if the police gave him the choice to pay or go to jail, and he chose jail. However when I read your piece, I didn't read where you said the police gave him that choice. And considering the possibility that the chica may have lied on the dude (her being choked) , I wasnt going to assume the issue was only about 3000 pesos to make the chica go away. So my position was, many of us might not automatically or consistently pay a chica 3000 pesos just because she demanded it. We would weigh the situation based on all of the facts. Bravo posted an alternative of the guy leaving, coming back later, packing and moving elsewhere. Point being, there clearly are more alternatives or options one can take than simply paying a chica. I agree with you wholeheartedly on how the guy failed to value making alliances with people that might be able to help to support him somewhat.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1515101]Why didn't he just leave? Just jump on the back of one of the gazillion motos that drive by the SB every 1. 5 seconds and give her the peace sign while he drives off. Once she is out of your room, you are half way done with the problem. Just take off for a few hours, come back in the night, pack up your shit and move to a different hotel. Problem solved. (I highly doubt if the police are going to have a massive stake out, hiding in banana trees, just waiting for a gringo who owes a hoe 3 K!)[/QUOTE]Or the police might, if not actually take all your stuff as compensation for the girl (and them) , have management lock up your room and not give you the key when you get back but rather call them. Do you think management is going to help the "asshole" get out of there by giving him the key or do what the police tell them? If you're going to "pack up your shit and leave", do it before the police show up, although it may be not be easy to disappear in a small place like Sosua.

I had an extortion experience in Fortaleza, Brazil. I picked up this girl (who turned out to be a *) in one of the local hooker bars; 200 real (about $100) for short-time, including anal. She was cold and mechanical during the sex and refused to do anal. I got fed up and told her to leave, giving her 150 real because of no anal. She said she wanted 200 real and if she didn't get it she would call her friend on the police force. I told her that 150 as more than enough as she had not done anal, so she called someone on her cell phone, supposedly the police friend, and went downstairs to wait for him (them?). After some time, I was tired of waiting, as I had to get up early next morning for my flight. I also was starting to weigh the monetary consequences of missing my flight to Rio and my connecting flight to BA, which were far greater than the $25 in question, if she actually did have a police friend who would show up and, even if not very likely, possibly detain me and cause me to lose my flight, so I gave the * the money and told her to go to fuck herself. Sometimes you just have to suck it up to avoid it costing you even more money.

[QUOTE=Chief Justice;1515075]I think in this situation, you have to look at yourself and see if you have a dog in the race. What I mean is, do you speak the language and can you explain to the police what happened? Do you know people who know people? Would you rather sit in jail in Sosua or prefer to be in your bed? I think most of us need to just pony up the doe and pay the hoe. Yes, egos and principles may be 'hurt' but I rather grab another and wake up the next morning eating steak and eggs than sleeping in a cell with 100 other Dominicans and eating rice and beans.[/QUOTE]I am in accord with what you said. However, let me ask this question. If a chica was demanding 10, 000 pesos instead of 3000 pesos for being with a guy for 3 days, do you still think most of us need to pony up the dough and pay the hoe?

My point is, it sounds like many might believe it is better to pony up money to a chica rather than wake up the next morning sleeping in a cell. But I submit, most would not be quick to pay an amount they deem to be excessive just because they believed it best to pony up to avoid jail. Thats why I say where one stands on the issue depends on where they sit. The dude in the scenario must have felt he paid the chica for the 3 days already. If he turned down an offer to pay 3000 pesos or go to jail from the police, then he definitely was being foolish. But I'll bet there are examples here where guys were faced with a similar problem but it didn't result in going to jail. That dude gambled and lost.

[QUOTE=Qualude;1514744]I agree the guy was an a-hole. He was willing to pay 2000 why not the extra 1000 (Less than $25) and be done with it. The money was cheap insurance against the situation he had to deal with later. IMO he got what he deserved. Most of us have had bad experiences and or lackluster performances by a chica and still paid to buy the peace. I have always felt it is better to pay them and get rid of them than to create a big scene.[/QUOTE]Just a question bruh. Suppose a chica demanded 10k pesos from you instead of 3k? Would you still feel the same way about paying that amount as you would the 3k? 10k for most, wouldn't be considered cheap insurance, and that might cause one to look for other alternatives before forking over that kind of money just to make a chica go away.

[QUOTE=Jimmy Boy 99;1515141]I had an extortion experience in Fortaleza, Brazil. I picked up this girl (who turned out to be a *) in one of the local hooker bars; 200 real (about $100) for short-time, including anal. She was cold and mechanical during the sex and refused to do anal. I got fed up and told her to leave, giving her 150 real because of no anal. She said she wanted 200 real and if she didn't get it she would call her friend on the police force. I told her that 150 as more than enough as she had not done anal, so she called someone on her cell phone, supposedly the police friend, and went downstairs to wait for him (them?). After some time, I was tired of waiting, as I had to get up early next morning for my flight. I also was starting to weigh the monetary consequences of missing my flight to Rio and my connecting flight to BA, which were far greater than the $25 in question, if she actually did have a police friend who would show up and, even if not very likely, possibly detain me and cause me to lose my flight, so I gave the * the money and told her to go to fuck herself. Sometimes you just have to suck it up to avoid it costing you even more money.[/QUOTE]JB is there an amount that would make you take your chances with not paying the girl? For instance. If the girl up selled on you and bluffed that you owe her $200 more instead of the $25, pay up or I call my friend. If you would pay $200 more to squash the situation, what amount wouldnt you pay and just take your chances?

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1515140]Question though. Manz911 stated the guy was given the choice to pay the chica 3000 pesos or go to jail. Did the police give him that choice to pay or go to jail? Or did that come from the bystander guy who warned him? Or both?[/QUOTE]Before the police arrived, a bystander approached the girl and asked her how much it would cost just to drop the thing. She said 3000 pesos. The police were on the way. The bystander then walked over to the guy and told him that it was his word against hers (recall that the hotel staff was pissed at him because he had told them to fuck off and what not, so they were not likely to advocate for him) so he would likely spend the night in jail if it didn't get resolved before the police showed up. And the guy failed to resolve the situation for 3000 pesos.

I was not close enough to hear the conversation with the police, so I don't know what they told him or why they took him in. My guess is that any chance of resolving it for 3000 pesos was out the door once the police arrived.

IMHO (and you can discount that accordingly) she would have walked away no problem w / 3000 pesos. And, when the police showed up, the security guard could have just said that there had been a payment problem w / a girl but that it was resolved amicably. That would have been the end of it. But we will never really know I guess.

[QUOTE=ORourke86; 1515085]Look, I'm not saying I have it all figured out. I am new here and still have a lot to learn from some of you vets. But following those three rules seems pretty reasonable to me. And its worked out so far. Let me give you an example.

During my last trip, I found myself in a tight spot. I picked up a girl at DL. We agreed on a price: 1500 pesos for ST. She came back. After she showered, I gave her some lingerie and she did some modeling for me while I snapped some photos. It was all smiles and we were having a great time. Then, as we were getting into bed, she asked that I pay her in advance. I said I never pay in advance; we agreed to the price and I will pay her at the end. She said she wanted 1000 pesos up front. I said no. She said (in Spanish)"How do I know you will pay me?" And I replied (in Spanish)"I brought you here. I gave you a nice gift. I've been kind and generous. Do you really think I wouldn't pay you?" This went on for a few more rounds when finally-the mood sufficiently killed-I told her to just put her clothes on and leave.

She said that I would still have to pay her the 1500 and I would have to delete the photos. I agreed to delete the photos (and did) but refused to pay: "No trabajas, no pago!"

She said,"What about my time? You wasted my time?" And I said,"Well, you wasted my time! Why don't you pay me?" We were both pretty pissed at this point. And she said she would not leave until I paid.

What would you do in this situation? Here's what I did: I walked to the balcony of my hotel room and whistled for the security guard. He came over and I asked him to come up. When he came up I told him what happened and asked him "What do I need to pay her to get her to leave?" He said 500 pesos. I gave her 500 pesos (adding a "Pago para nada." to make it seem to her that I though she was getting more than she deserved, though really I though this was pretty fair considering the time we spent together) and he escorted her out. She wasn't very happy. Hell, neither was I! She was a cute little girl and I was looking to do some damage. But that didn't happen.

Note that I neither succumbed to her demand to pay immediately (thereby encouraging future shakedowns) nor refused to pay (causing myself more trouble than it is worth). There is a delicate balance to maintain there.

Anyway, when she was leaving she kept telling the guard she could just call the police. He told her to call them if she wanted; he'd be happy to explain exactly what happened. He clearly had my back and she didn't call. Why did he have my back? I can't say for sure. I don't think it is enough that I was a paying customer at the hotel. Hotels don't usually want guests who cause trouble. It's bad for business. I'd guess it didn't hurt that I had bought him a drink earlier in the week; or that I always talked with him and the others. He knew me. And he had a reason to trust me. So, when the situation turned sour, he had my back. That, in my opinion, is exactly how it is suppose to work.[/QUOTE]Your scenario is a clear example of why I say where one stands on an issue depends on where they sit. You didn't just fork over money the moment a chica complained. She could have called the police on you, without you even knowing she did. Like you, the guy from Seabreeze did not refuse to pay something. He tried to pay less than what the chica demanded, just like you. It just so happened, your chica accepted what you gave her (500 pesos) , whereas the chica at Seabreeze did not accept the 2000 pesos that he counter offered. He gambled and lost. You gambled and won. I get your point though.

If your chica called the police and still demanded 1500 pesos, would you still stick to only paying 500 pesos? Or would you pay the 1500 pesos that she originally demanded? Making alliances and having backup goes a long way to possibly help mitigate a situation.

[quote=wrx2005;1515152]jb is there an amount that would make you take your chances with not paying the girl? for instance. if the girl up selled on you and bluffed that you owe her $200 more instead of the $25, pay up or i call my friend. if you would pay $200 more to squash the situation, what amount wouldnt you pay and just take your chances?[/quote]i really don't know. it would depend on how much she wanted compared to what it would cost if things went badly, how credible the story she was going to tell the cops was (assuming it wasn't a set-up with the cops from the beginning, as i have read happens with **** girl scams in manila, i believe) , and how likely i thought it was to end badly. from what i have read, in underdeveloped countries it generally gets a lot more expensive for a foreigner when the police get involved, so i would err on the side of not getting them involved. in the fortaleza incident, i doubt that the police are in the habit of collecting a hooker's debts, but i could not take the chance of missing my flights. if i were going to stay there some more days, i would have told her that i was going back to where i picked her up and she can have her police friend come there and try to get the money from me in front of all her potential future customers.

[QUOTE=ORourke86; 1515154]Before the police arrived, a bystander approached the girl and asked her how much it would cost just to drop the thing. She said 3000 pesos. The police were on the way. The bystander then walked over to the guy and told him that it was his word against hers (recall that the hotel staff was pissed at him because he had told them to fuck off and what not, so they were not likely to advocate for him) so he would likely spend the night in jail if it didn't get resolved before the police showed up. And the guy failed to resolve the situation for 3000 pesos.

I was not close enough to hear the conversation with the police, so I don't know what they told him or why they took him in. My guess is that any chance of resolving it for 3000 pesos was out the door once the police arrived.

IMHO (and you can discount that accordingly) she would have walked away no problem w / 3000 pesos. And, when the police showed up, the security guard could have just said that there had been a payment problem w / a girl but that it was resolved amicably. That would have been the end of it. But we will never really know I guess.[/QUOTE]I appreciate your honesty in regards to possible doubt. I wish it was known what he already paid her, and how much he spent on her? Because honestly, I think if a dude felt a chica was already paid a fair amount, and now she was trying to extort more, I don't believe most guys would be quick to pay a chica what she demanded. And they won't be saying "it's only 3k." They would probably resist paying just like that dude did. But then once they thought the police was going to get involved, THEN they might change their tune and pay the money. But not the moment the chica demanded the money.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1515176]If your chica called the police and still demanded 1500 pesos, would you still stick to only paying 500 pesos? Or would you pay the 1500 pesos that she originally demanded?[/QUOTE]If she had gone ahead and called the police, I would have paid 1500 to resolve it before they got there. In fact, I would have paid 1500 if the security guard told me that's what it would take when I asked him initially. He thought 500 was a fair price; so I deferred to his judgement. Presumably the girl didn't think this was too far off the mark because she didn't push the issue. And she could have.

Obviously, there is some upper bound beyond which I would not pay. And that upper bound would depend on how likely I thought she'd actually call the police, how likely the security guard would stick up for me when they arrived, how likely the police would take me anyway. Etc. But it has little to do with whether I thought I was in the right. A third world country is not the kind of place where you to take a principled stand. You should always be prepared to pay up and move on. And you should know that going in.

Welcome back bro!

One of the OPs (Original Posters) of ISG. He was around when I was just starting to learn the ropes about Sosua way back when!

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1515184]I appreciate your honesty in regards to possible doubt. I wish it was known what he already paid her, and how much he spent on her?[/QUOTE]Me too! Though, based on my (admittedly limited) interactions with the guy in advance of the incident, I'm not surprised it happened to him. It seemed like he hadn't done his homework. There were some very basic things that he didn't know. Plus, he didn't speak any Spanish (I mean absolutely none). And he drank quite a bit (even relative to all of us drunks at the bar!)

Now, you can get by in Sosua without doing your homework; without knowing Spanish (so long as you pick up a few simple phrases while you are there) ; or without limiting your alcohol consumption. You might even be able to get by without two of the three. But IMHO the combination of these drastically increases your chances of having a problem. Tack onto these the fact that he wasn't all that personable with the staff and other guests and you can see what I am no so surprised it ended as it did.

Hi,

First trip to Sosua. Got in on the 2nd. Staying at Casa Cayena, great place and close to the main strip.

During the day I walked around to find where all the bars were. Was approached by one chica but I declined. After dinner, took and nap. Woke up at around 11 and headed out to DLatin. Boy the place was packed and there plenty of good looking chicas. The minute I entered, a chica grabbed my balls! I walked around then finally settled down at the bar. Was approached by this Haitian girl but I declined. After a couple of Presidentes, I decided to make a round to see the talent. There were a couple of girls I was interested in but I was a bit nervous on how to go about this. The language barrier was my main concern. In the end, this one girl grabbed my hand and started chatting. Nice body. She had very limited english but hell she was hot. We negociated on her cell phone (1500 ST) then we were off. Back at the hotel, after a quick shower, down to the intense action. She was pretty much into it. The session must have lasted 45 minutes. I was drained (already tired from the flight). She said she liked me and wanted me to pick her up again next day. I told her we'll see and off she went.

Second day: Woke up late. Had breakfast and went to the beach near the hotel Nice and quiet. Stayed there till noon then went to find something to eat. After that I went to Sosua Beach where I just wandered around. BAck at the hotel at around 4 to take a nap. Couldn't sleep. Some guy was blasting music in the pool area! After dinner, watched a bit of TV then headed out. First went to that Merenge Bar in fron of DLatin. It was pretty much empty. Still sat down to have a beer. I went to Rumba after. Pretty quet there too. I was getting disapointed. Headed to DLatin where there was more action but it seemed pretty slow. I wanted to avoid the chica from the previous night so stuck around with some guys from the hotel. I spotted this really hot girl but before I could think of making a move some other guy moved in before me. I wandered around for a while hoping to find someone I like. Did this for abount an hour then this girl grabbed my hand and stared dancing with me. She was good looking but a bit wild. She was grinding me and I just couldn't resist anymore. We negiciated a price (1500 ST) and we went to another bar first for some drinks. She did some pole dancing for me and kept grabbing my balls. I was getting a bit worried I picked a freak. Anyways, back at the hotel, I asked her to shower and then the action began. She was extremely into it. I couldn't believe it. Our session must have lasted 40 min and we did anal (I didn't ask for it, she offered). This is when the weidness started. She started watching TV and wanted me to cuddle. Fine but I wanted her out. After 15 min of this, I got up and gave her the money hoping she would understand that she has to go (she only spoke spanish.). No she kept watching. I didn't know what to do. Then out of nowhere she sucking me again and we went for a second round. I ain't complaining about this but it felt weird. She actually wanted me not to use a condom to which I totally refused. I finished the session rather quickly and she started watching TV again. Now I was getting really upset and showed her the door. Finally she understood. She took a shower and I accompanied her out. She left me her phone number but I have no plans on calling her.

Has this ever happened to anyone (girl not waning to leave)? How did you handle it. I didn't want to create a scene by asking the security guard to do something about it. I am still here for another 9 days and I am sure I will bump into this girl again.

Also, I am surprised that I have not been able to meet any english speaking chicas. From what I have been reading of this forum, it should not be hard.

Other than that, I am enjoying my trip.

Oh yeah, for those who are interested, it seems that Passions will reopen by the end of this month.

Will post more reports in a couple of days.

In the 12 years that I have been mongering I don't know how many girls have tried to threaten me with cops or gangster friends. Not one has ever made good on what she said. My first time mongering in Brazil I took a girl for all night 100 reais (about $25 at the time). The next day I handed her the money and she said it was supposed to be US$100. I said no way. I'm not in the USA. Why would I be talking about dollars. Shit I don't even have dollars, only reais. She said she was going to get her police friend on me. Sure I walked around for a day on edge, then I realized she was full of shit. And I didn't even speak Portuguese back then. The girl later went on to work at the famous 4X4. At first she didn't remember me, but I reminded her of our first time together. For a couple of years after that I would sometimes have her come stay all night; for the same damn 100 reais as the first time. Whenever I would mention our first encounter she would laugh.

Now that I speak Portuguese and Spanish, hooker threats don't mean shit to me. If they were to actually go get a cop then I would just turn the tables and say she stole money from me and hit me and now wants me to pay her too. I would demand that she be arrested and be made to give back the money she stole. And it would be even better if I could prove I already bought a bunch of shit for her (which I would never do) like the guy in question did. I'm from the hood and grew up streetwise, so if a broad is going to try to get over on me then she better come hard because I'm not a pushover. As the old saying goes,"You can't slick a slickster." Then too I realize that everybody can't be a Bernie Madoff. Every con has to have a sucker. If you look around and don't see the sucker, well... I'm not saying that I would take advantage of the girls or not give them what I rightfully owe, but I'm damn sure not going to stand for any bullshit being brought into the game.

On the flip side, when I was in school in Brazil, I went home with a girl from Help Disco. We were both drunk as skunks. The next morning I had to wake up and go to the airport to pick up a classmate. Evidently when we got back from the club she had put my clothes on the window sill. She lived on the fifth floor. I went over to get money out my pants to pay her, but all my money was gone. I was about to pitch a biotch. I thought she had got me for my paper. Then I realized she was just as confused as me. I started looking around then looked outside. There was a big jungle behind the building. And there the money was. It had somehow blown out of my pocket, out the window, and into a tree. And there was no way of getting that shit back either. First of all there was a tall cinder block wall from the ground behind the building to the floor of the forest. Then if one could have managed to climb the wall there were probably all kinds of snakes and who knows what back there in that jungle. But I promised the girl that I would still pay her after I went to get my classmate. She did not believe my ass one bit. She thought I was going to screw her over. Later when I brought money back to give to her we turned into the best of friends. She cooked dinner for me that night. And from then on, whenever my friends would come to town we made it a tradition that on Sunday she would go to the store with me and my friends to buy food and her and her friends would cook it all up over her house and make us drinks. Nowadays she cleans houses in New York and we are still good friends.

Spent 12 nights, I had 2 nights in between for recovery, first night I fucked 3 girls, then I lost count for the rest of the trip. Lots of really hot girls, oldest around 25, most get fat after that age. My hotel guard always take the girl Id, and give it back to her when she is leaving, I only had one girl asking for more money, it was kinda my fault too, when I picked her up, I took her to a restaurant to talk, eat and have have couple drinks before we go to my hotel, I asked her how much and she said no pesos, so I insisted to pay, so she said, anything you pay, ok sounds a good deal, back in my room after I finished I gave her 1500, she said not enough and asked for 2500, I said no way, then she threatened to call the police, I know that she choose 2500 to reach the middle number of 2000, so I opened the door and throw only 1000 outside the door and kicked her out. After that I always make it clear how much I'm paying with a written numbers, so I always offer 1500 no matter what and I usually give another 200 tip later if I felt she was thankful to the 1500. Because I think that people deserve more if they were satisfied with less, and they get less when they are not satisfied with more.

D'Latin now checks for the girls Id, one night I picked a beer and sat beside the door watching girls getting in one after another, some girls have Id, some have passport, some have new passport, and some are known and they were not checked for ID, it was a reasonable way to classify the girls. Oh ya, I saw the 2 trouble girls who were posted on this website, they were denied entry to D'Latin, and the blond one got mad and tried to force her way in, the guard carried her outside, then she lied down on the stairs and won't leave, it was a big seen, finally her friend managed to take her away, this girl on crack, she is not normal at all, I'm sure she is taking hard drug.

The beach was nice for swimming, water is blue crystal clear, many places to eat and very cheap, so treat yourself well and have fun, there is no real reason not to have fun in Sosua.

[QUOTE=Rogue99;1515280]Has this ever happened to anyone (girl not waning to leave)? How did you handle it. I didn't want to create a scene by asking the security guard to do something about it. I am still here for another 9 days and I am sure I will bump into this girl again.[/QUOTE]Nice hotel room with continuous cold a/c blowing, hot running water, large bed with clean sheets, cable tv. What chica would not want to leave this to go to her hotel room the size of a walk-in closet where she is shacking up with 3-4 other chicas, no hot water, and intermittent electricity?

[QUOTE=Rogue99;1515280]Also, I am surprised that I have not been able to meet any english speaking chicas. From what I have been reading of this forum, it should not be hard.[/QUOTE]Be thankful. The ones that speak English are usually the most hardcore of all the chicas on the strip.

Is Superbowl weekend still considered to be the worst mongering time in Sosua?

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo; 1441858]Yo dude thanks for that long detailed report. To bad all the racial talk buried it. Drag it over to the Gogo forum if you want. I'm sure someone other than me will appreciate it. It appears people aren't interested in the beach vendors getting pushed out or tourists getting arrested.

Livelaughfuck took time out to post a long detailed report on his second post, and we ignored him, sorry bro.[/QUOTE]Thanks I appreciate it man, you put the effort in to write in detail your experience to assist those new and old to this place. Shame when endless bickering drowns out relevant info. But thanks for the love! I will keep sharing as I venture out, we all here for the same thing.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1442167]Nice detailed report. Thanks for sharing.[/QUOTE]Thanks my brother.

[QUOTE=Trace79; 1443073]I know I have been absent on the forums since last April [and that is how much I just had to read through. 62 pages of almost complete philosophical BS LOL. ] On that side-note, I do respect many of your opinions regarding the lifestyle habits of safe mongering practices for the greater good of all. However, within the 62 pages that I just read through this was all I came up with regarding actual reports about Sosua. These two newbies [to the forum, as am I, ] that gave awesome reports and also Deepimpact [sorry bro, but you are too well respected on this forum for me to regurgitate your words. ]

Awesome post man! This is what this forum has been lacking. Solid reporting on specifics of your trip!

Another really good report. Thank you much for taking the time to give recent updates on Sosua![/QUOTE]Hey no problem. I feel you I now have 143 pages to catch up LOL.

Thanks

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1515508]Be thankful. The ones that speak English are usually the most hardcore of all the chicas on the strip.[/QUOTE]I agree. Immediate red flag.

[QUOTE=Rogue99;1515280]Second day: Woke up late. Had breakfast and went to the beach near the hotel Nice and quiet. Stayed there till noon then went to find something to eat.[/QUOTE]If you are looking to relax, this beach (Playa sin Salida) is much better than Playa Sosua. No food stands. No hustlers. No ladies. Just peace and quiet. (Fun fact: "Playa sin Salida" literally means "Beach without Production".)

To get there from Pedro Clisante, just follow Dr. Rosen down past Dr. Alejo Martinez. You can't miss it.

[QUOTE=Eltayeb;1515328]D'Latin now checks for the girls Id[/QUOTE]When I was there recently, they were also checking purses as girls left the bar. Apparently someone had taken off with some of their glasses. You cannot make this stuff up.

[QUOTE=ORourke86; 1515573]If you are looking to relax, this beach (Playa sin Salida) is much better than Playa Sosua. No food stands. No hustlers. No ladies. Just peace and quiet. (Fun fact: "Playa sin Salida" literally means "Beach without Production".)

To get there from Pedro Clisante, just follow Dr. Rosen down past Dr. Alejo Martinez. You can't miss it.[/QUOTE]Actually Playa sin Salida means Beach with no exit.

Best sex in life was hard core pro who took a liking to me. She knew how to fuck and when she wanted to could curl your toes. Banging rookies can be not so good. If you get a good vibe with a pro you will have a big smile. They know the game and will play by the rules if you do. Now if you are weak they can chew you up. The biggest trick to managing a pro is the ability to say no. A good pro can help you enjoy your time because know so much. Where to eat, best cabana, and who can give you a real 3 some. Tell them what you want and they will get it for you if you have money. I have a ex BB pro she fucks you until you say stop. Any where you want and all day long she is ready. I had a few sweet young things in Sosua who were not very good because they were green. If you take charge with a pro you will get great sex and few problems.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter;1515560]I agree. Immediate red flag.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1515592]Best sex in life was hard core pro who took a liking to me. She knew how to fuck and when she wanted to could curl your toes. Banging rookies can be not so good. If you get a good vibe with a pro you will have a big smile. They know the game and will play by the rules if you do. Now if you are weak they can chew you up. The biggest trick to managing a pro is the ability to say no. A good pro can help you enjoy your time because know so much. Where to eat, best cabana, and who can give you a real 3 some. Tell them what you want and they will get it for you if you have money. I have a ex BB pro she fucks you until you say stop. Any where you want and all day long she is ready. I had a few sweet young things in Sosua who were not very good because they were green. If you take charge with a pro you will get great sex and few problems.[/QUOTE]I feel you bro. I met this pro in Sosua in 2007 that was the best girl I ever had in the DR. We were together for 3 years even after she retired from the game and moved to Puerto Plata in 2008. She would always come to Sosua and would stay with me a couple days till I got tired of her and kicked her out. All the guys that know me from this board has met her. She would never say "no" to sex. Whenever my dick got hard she was ready, even if it was in the bushes or in the shower. Her pussy was always wet and she did it all.

She was crazy in love with me. She beat a girl up that she caught me leaving Classicos with. I had snuck into Sosua without telling anyone and was walking down the steps from Classicos. We got to the bottom of the steps and the crowd was to the left so me and this girl went right. After a few steps it was a dude standing there with a hoodie on. All of the sudden the dude in the hoodie punches me in the chest and says"What the fuck you doing? '. The hoodie comes off and its my girl, damn (somebody snitched). She punches the girl in the face for asking "Who is this' and the girls start fighting. I look over my shoulder and saw a motochoncho coming down the street, so I jumped on and yelled"vamos rapido" and we left. When I looked back the security guys from Classicos were trying to break them up, the chic was crazy. I was always getting caught in my lies and we would just make up and fuck back to good terms. I was her boyfriend and she was serious about that shit. Here is a report I did on her in 2010;

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2227-Sosua-Reports&p=987955&viewfull=1#post987955[/url]

We eventually broke up because she was going to kill me one day but we continued to e-mail. The last time I saw her was about a year ago when she met me and Mr E on the Malecon in Puerto plata for lunch. I would always think maybe one day when I retire she could be my roommate and I would have guaranteed in-house pussy but all that changed 2 months ago. She had a baby boy by some Dominican dude who hit and ran. Shit! Thats a deal killer for me. But she was one special girl that might have had a future with Gogo and I don't care that she was a pro at one time in her life.

[QUOTE=Jimmy Boy 99;1515588]Actually Playa sin Salida means Beach with no exit.[/QUOTE]Actually you are both wrong! It is called Playa Alicia and it is at the end of the calle sin salida, which means dead end street or literally, street without exit. The beach is also known as Waterfront beach, Miracle Beach (because it suddenly formed in 2003 after the earthquake} and some call it Casa Marina Beach.

I'm aware that Field of Dreams (FOD) is geographically closer to Puerto Plata than Sosua. But since I've just posted two (2) data rich posts on the PP thread I thought I'd put this here. Hope that's OK with you guys. Getting flamed really hurts my feelings. Try to be gentle.

Anyways, my two wingmen and I left home base at BlackBeards for our usual cultural excursion to FOD. On our last 3 BB's trips we always stopped in and had a beer before launching for Sosua / Passions et al owing to the lack of decent talent at FOD at those times. This FOD trip was better. The three of us hammered out some decent talent before returning to BB's. We avoided Sosua on this trip as we don't approve of the feminazi police state regime change in progress. However, as one formerly educated in Geography and Regional Planning I do hope that their cruise ship stop dream comes to fruition. It will be good for retail business. Besides, all those cruise ship crews and the single, lonely guys that fucked up buying a cruise ticket looking for elusive vacation ass, need a decent place to pound out some box, don't they? Getting wifed up on a boat with some semi-hot, fat, Gringa pig must get old. Doesn't it? We gratefully followed FOD day bartender, Nico's advice and returned for the New Years Day "Bikini Contest."

Upon our arrival at 1600 on New Years Day we entertained ourselves by looking over the contestants and selected our picks early. The talent wasn't as good as BB's but who cares. We enjoyed the weakly organized contest simply because it was different. The house didn't pay the winners any bounty for win / place / show and the so-called "Judges" were only there for decoration. The contestants lacked energy overall but we approved of this little group dance that they did before the winners were announced. Not that we could hear anything that Nico said on his mike owing to the ridiculous sound level of the background music. They pass the hat for donations to pay the winners. They also had us Gringos write down the girls numbers on a tiny piece of paper to determine the results, thus voiding the role of the Judges. Finally, a 200 peso raffle ticket was announced and the winner would get a free girl and room. Sensing a trap and not wanting our preferred picks raffled away from us, we immediately paid for our girls and left for our sessions and short time rooms. 840 pesos or about $20 USD gets the ST room. 1,600 pesos or $37. 65 for the ST pussy. Unless you're the two British guys that shared our taxi van from BB's. They were made to pay much more for some reason. This two tier pricing system pissed us off. The Brits were not aware of the rip off until we compared notes on the ride back to Costambar. BTW, nobody bought a raffle ticket anyway. We theorize the dual pricing scam was the result of a shift change, not Nico's doing. Clearly his female replacement needed new shoes or something.

We returned to BB's and ate a nice Italian meal at Sole Mio's around the corner, drank, smoked cigars, and pounded out some more BB's box. I liked Sole Mio's seafood soup. End of report.

[QUOTE=Geolopes; 1515647]I'm aware that Field of Dreams (FOD) is geographically closer to Puerto Plata than Sosua. But since I've just posted two (2) data rich posts on the PP thread I thought I'd put this here. Hope that's OK with you guys. Getting flamed really hurts my feelings. Try to be gentle.

Anyways, my two wingmen and I left home base at BlackBeards for our usual cultural excursion to FOD. On our last 3 BB's trips we always stopped in and had a beer before launching for Sosua / Passions et al owing to the lack of decent talent at FOD at those times. This FOD trip was better. The three of us hammered out some decent talent before returning to BB's. We avoided Sosua on this trip as we don't approve of the feminazi police state regime change in progress. However, as one formerly educated in Geography and Regional Planning I do hope that their cruise ship stop dream comes to fruition. It will be good for retail business. Besides, all those cruise ship crews and the single, lonely guys that fucked up buying a cruise ticket looking for elusive vacation ass, need a decent place to pound out some box, don't they? Getting wifed up on a boat with some semi-hot, fat, Gringa pig must get old..[/QUOTE]Okay Sir I will try to be as "Gentle" as possible. You get a pass on posting POP info in the Sosua thread because you always contribute great pictures. Let me enlighten you as someone you say who is"Educated in Geography and Regional planning", that the Miamon cruise ship terminal is currently having major problems. Construction has almost come to a halt Sir. This is not public knowledge but if you need my sources PM me and I will give you my sources. The Dominicans haven't contributed their monies for the project and have asked to renegotiate the terms"Classic Dominican bait and switch". Also there are problems with the land owners near the project asking for better terms. I don't understand what retail business will be created by the Miamon terminal, I already have in my home a bottle with twigs in it and portraits of the DR. Maybe the "I love the DR' shirts will be a best seller. Also what guy goes on a cruise ship to ditch his wife and get a piece of ass? The ladies won't let them freelance in the DR. The cruise ship worker guys bang the cruise ship workers and vacationers, the local come third.

Not trying to hurt you feelings bro, just stating the facts.

[QUOTE=Llttf;1515638]Actually you are both wrong! It is called Playa Alicia[/QUOTE]Google calls it "Playa sin Salida" (though googling "Playa Alicia" takes you there, too).

Salida can be translated to "exit." But it can also be translated to "output" or "production". So it is kind of an interesting play on words given that the beach is at the end of a street with no exit and also is void of any production, especially in comparison to Playa Sosua!

[QUOTE=Llttf;1515638]it suddenly formed in 2003 after the earthquake[/QUOTE]I didn't know it was a new beach. That's pretty cool!

Regardless of what you call it, it is a nice beach!

Enjoy

[QUOTE=ORourke86; 1515676]Google calls it "Playa sin Salida" (though googling "Playa Alicia" takes you there, too).

Salida can be translated to "exit." But it can also be translated to "output" or "production". So it is kind of an interesting play on words given that the beach is at the end of a street with no exit and also is void of any production, especially in comparison to Playa Sosua!

I didn't know it was a new beach. That's pretty cool!

Regardless of what you call it, it is a nice beach!

Enjoy[/QUOTE]A friend used to own a condo there and he used to scuba dive in 40 feet of water where the beach now is located.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1515663]. the Maimon cruise ship terminal is currently having major problems. Construction has almost come to a halt Sir. This is not public knowledge.[/QUOTE]Actually it is.

Anyone with half a brain knows that, even were it to be completed, there would be minimal input into the general economy. A few politicians and landowners might make mucho dollars, but that money they will hide offshore. It will have nil impact on Sosua and almost none on Puerto Plata.

[QUOTE=Llttf;1515638]Actually you are both wrong! It is called Playa Alicia and it is at the end of the calle sin salida, which means dead end street or literally, street without exit. The beach is also known as Waterfront beach, Miracle Beach (because it suddenly formed in 2003 after the earthquake} and some call it Casa Marina Beach.[/QUOTE]

You are correct sir!
It's always been called Calle sin Salida,"dead End", I am not sure who named it Playa sin salida, it is actually named "Parque Mirador".
The history of Playa Alecia, a guy who worked @ The Waterfront lost his Mom, and named this newly formed beach, Playa Alecia, after his Mom, & the name stuck, there is a little hand painted sign by the wall, if you look for it.

The current mayor of Sosua built the park dedicated to the original Jewish settlers in Sosua, back in the 40's.
That is my history lesson for today.

http://www.sosuaonline.net/site/images/stories/sosua_images/roban-parque-mirador.jpg

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1515663]Also what guy goes on a cruise ship to ditch his wife and get a piece of ass? The ladies won't let them freelance in the DR. The cruise ship worker guys bang the cruise ship workers and vacationers, the local come third.[/QUOTE]I respectfully disagree Gogo. In St. Maarten the wh0re houses are packed when there are cruise ships in port, both vacationers and employees, same in Cartagena.

I grew up in the prejudice south. If anybody had told me when I was 16 years old that I would be having sex with black chicks I would have punched them out. I had a friend when I was about 45 that was looking at my then black girlfriend and told me she was hot but she was black. My response was that when I turn the lights out and wrap my arms around her all I feel is one fine hot body and when she wraps her thick lips around Mr Happy I could give a rats ass what color she is, but when you climb in to bed with your woman, with the lights on or off, she is still one ugly fat ass. He shut up.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1504419]Been in Sosua since last Friday and have been checking out the chicas from Hati but haven't pulled the trigger yet on any of them. My Dominican Cupido amiga said she doesn't like them because they are "black" which shocked the shit out of me since she is 1/2 black. Some of these Haitians are gorgeous and some are very aggressive. They also appear to be very smart and all of the ones I have talked to speak English, some Spanish, and whatever they speak in Hati (Creole / French). I'm tempted to try them out but am honestly having difficulty with how dark they are. I'm not racist but morena / carmel is about all I can handle. My buddies at home tell me to just turn off all the lights. Some feedback here about these Haitian chicas without beating me up to much would be appreciated. Seems like there are guys here from Europe that are totally enomorado (love) with these girls and I am very curious.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1515783]Actually it is.

Anyone with half a brain knows that, even were it to be completed, there would be minimal input into the general economy. A few politicians and landowners might make mucho dollars, but that money they will hide offshore. It will have nil impact on Sosua and almost none on Puerto Plata.[/QUOTE]I guess Mr. Gogo didn't appreciate the sarcasm in my post. I'm sure some cruise ship passengers will be tempted to buy some Haitian art, a t-shirt, and maybe a coco loco on the beach. That's what I meant by "retail." My post also specifically mentioned,"single guys" on the cruise ships, not guys leaving their wives to get laid onshore. Now, can we get back to commenting on the FOD activities component of my post. Also, that previous poster is totally correct about his St Maartens observation. Tons of guys jumping ship there for a quick piece of ass at the assorted venues. Sosua will fill that demand nicely if the ships ever stop there. Simple supply and demand. Dare I say that FOD might be well positioned to cater to that possibility? 20 minutes by taxi isn't that hard to manage, is it?

[QUOTE=Geolopes;1515843]Dare I say that FOD might be well positioned to cater to that possibility? 20 minutes by taxi isn't that hard to manage, is it?[/QUOTE]Interested why you write only "FoD"? Blackbeards is nearer. But you may be correct, FoD caters more for drop-in trade, as it was originally set-up to service guys staying at Playa Dorada, especially groups on golfing holidays without wives. That idea never really got off the ground under any of the successive managements, so I am not convinced there will be much trade off cruise ships either. If there is, it is more likely the taxi guys will steer it towards Cristal and Cocoa Beach (or whatever the name is). Those places are Dominican owned, so better placed to arrange with the taxistas. And they charge twice as much, so could afford a bigger kick-back to the taxistas.

And think of the psychology. If a passenger wants to get laid but probably apprehensive about safety, he is more likely to choose a "night-club" than a "brothel" or "adult hotel". He will be thinking that in a club he could just buy a drink and leave gracefully, whereas he might feel more committed to a "hotel" or in more danger visiting a "brothel". Of course we know he would be wrong but the guy doesn't know that.

However that is all hypothetical as this cruise port may well not happen.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1515592]Best sex in life was hard core pro who took a liking to me . Banging rookies can be not so good . I had a few sweet young things in Sosua who were not very good because they were green. If you take charge with a pro you will get great sex and few problems.[/QUOTE]Fair comment. There are many exceptions both ways.

I only post for newbies. I don't expect you, or Mr Gogo or Mr Enternational or any other regulars to pay attention. If guys haven't got the hang of things by their third or fourth trip they probably never will and any advice is wasted.

There are guys who prefer hard-core pros and have no trouble.

There are guys who rent cars and have no trouble.

There are guys who get blind drunk at night and have no trouble.

There are guys who buy and smoke weed and have no trouble.

There are guys who change all their dollars into pesos first day and carry it all around with them all the time and have no trouble.

There are guys who befriend tigueres, cops, pimps and other low-life and have no trouble.

The more experience you have the better placed you are to know when to push your luck.

But it is not necessary to do any of the above things to have a great and cost-effective holiday on the North Coast, and by avoiding them you reduce your chances of serious trouble from "slim" to "almost nil". That is why I recommend newbies to avoid them. After two or three trips they can make their own minds up.

[QUOTE=ORourke86;1515189]Obviously, there is some upper bound beyond which I would not pay. And that upper bound would depend on how likely I thought she'd actually call the police, how likely the security guard would stick up for me when they arrived, how likely the police would take me anyway. Etc. But it has little to do with whether I thought I was in the right. A third world country is not the kind of place where you to take a principled stand. You should always be prepared to pay up and move on. And you should know that going in.[/QUOTE]I hear where you are coming from as it applies to yourself. I agree one should be prepared to pay. However I think taking the position that "a third world country isn't the place to take a principled stand", is too extreme and too absolute for me.

The mere fact that many individuals initially refuse to pay, take time to consider potential risks and outcomes, attempts to negotiate their way out of trouble, successfully use bribes to squash problems, all of these actions suggests to the contrary. You can take a principled stand, and you can win. When one takes a stand at the 1st sign of trouble, the motivation right in that moment isn't about avoiding jail. It's usually about the principle of the issue. I don't think many dudes would be quick to fork over money if they felt the chica didn't deserve or earn it. In your scenario, you clearly responded to the situation based on the principle of the issue. You felt the chica did not provide the services that was expected / agreed. You took a principled stand, but you also watched how the situation evolved, weighed the potential consequences and adjusted the damage accordingly. If it wasnt about the principle you would have paid her 1500 with no resistance whatsoever. You paid 500 and all felt it was fair. You gambled and won. Guess what? You took a stand in a third world country, even though you said its not the place to do so.

Typically, a concern of possibly going to jail doesn't factor in for most of us, until the situation has escalated to the point where one might have legit concerns. Many individuals have taken principled stances (in a third world country) , and they came out on top. If dudes werent taking these principled stances in a third world country, all we would hear are stories of dudes paying any amount that someone demanded. All I'm saying is, there is no absolutes or extremes. Each situation has to be evaluated on a case by case basis, what course of action taken depends on where one sits on the issue. Which is exactly what you were conveying in regards to the conditions in which you would or wouldnt pay, and or the amount.

The reason why I am emphasizing this, is because more and more we are hearing reports of chicas trying to extort dudes out of their hard earned cash. If we take the position that we have no power because were in a third world country, and we need to fork over money because of a threat of calling the police, the extortion stories are going to keep piling up. It's already getting too much attention. I read Mr E's piece. I can see the value in being clever enough to use that police threat in reverse, and put those barracudas in check. Having some resources can help (your security guard) , befriending a cop, possibly your propinas to the cops, staff may help? Other things to take into consideration. How you behave, like not being belligerent. Not being drunk or disorderly. The chicas own behavior or the cops constantly having a problem with the chica, that might help. A dude has to carry himself with some confidence as if he has options, not as if he doesn't. A dude may need to play that all the way, until he has no choice but to pay or deal with the outcome.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter;1515861]I only post for newbies. I don't expect you, or Mr Gogo or Mr Enternational or any other regulars to pay attention. If guys haven't got the hang of things by their third or fourth trip they probably never will and any advice is wasted.[/QUOTE]FWIW: I think this is a sound policy. Value-added for vets is pretty low. But newbies can get themselves into some easily-avoided jams if they don't know a few simple things.

[QUOTE=Eltayeb;1515328]I only had one girl asking for more money, it was kinda my fault too, when I picked her up, I took her to a restaurant to talk, eat and have have couple drinks before we go to my hotel, I asked her how much and she said no pesos, so I insisted to pay, so she said, anything you pay, ok sounds a good deal, back in my room after I finished I gave her 1500, she said not enough and asked for 2500, I said no way, then she threatened to call the police, I know that she choose 2500 to reach the middle number of 2000, so I opened the door and throw only 1000 outside the door and kicked her out. After that I always make it clear how much I'm paying with a written numbers, so I always offer 1500 no matter what[/QUOTE]At the time you were interviewing and feeling her out (over food and drink) , she should have been grilled on why she felt you did not have to pay any pesos. If she couldn't come up with a reason that actually made sense, (since her whole purpose there is whoring for cash) a dude should be prepared to throw that fish back in the pond. Because a chica whose a stranger to you saying no pesos is clearly a red flag. An obvious reason to suspect a chica is trying to bamboozle a guy. A valid reason not to take her.

It doesn't matter that a dude is willing to pay. The ability to pay is not the important issue. That doesn't stop the con from progressing. The issue now is, a dude is potentially leaving himself vulnerable for exactly what she pulled. We all know we don't get something for nothing. And most know them barracudas don't appreciate the drinks and meals they get. In fact, if you ask me, I am leaning more into believing those gestures of treating working girls to anything above simple p4p, potentially gives some of them the inclination a dude is soft or weak. It's like were showing these hoes a weakness by trying to enjoy a GFE with them. Have them for a couple of days and then you open yourself up for more trouble. Communicate with them when back home and instantly, you find yourself subject to requests for gifts, sob stories, pleading for help, constant attempts at guilt tripping dudes. You name it, we have all heard it. All of that potentially communicates a weakness, an area they'll try to exploit. I recently turned off the power on my DR phone. I usually keep it on, to whatsapp with a few chicas.

Staying in touch is cool. Even ego stroking. But sometimes keeping in touch can become a nuisance. The most effective response for me lately, was to simply shut the phone off. No explanations of why I couldn't send money, gifts ect, no trying to reason with them, no trying to set them straight, no trying to take whatever bait they throw out there. Just turn off the phone. If I see them the next time I travel, I'll decide then whether or not to get with them again.

BTW I like your idea of typing out the amount and currency, so both know the deal. But I can tell you, even that can backfire on a dude. Last month I had a chica type out 300 on my phone. Turns out she expected 3000 for ST. I caught it because she was sloppily obvious. That game was grounds for dismissal. But I knew she was a newbie and could tell she was only doing what she was told by one of her mentors. I paid her 1500. Had I deemed her as a hard core chica, I would have seriously considered getting out of the situation before taking her back to my spot. I havent always felt this way, it's been through observation and experience ( mine and others ) that has caused me to think differently.

We returned to BB's and ate a nice Italian meal at Sole Mio's around the corner, drank, smoked cigars, and pounded out some more BB's box. I liked Sole Mio's seafood soup. End of report.

Thanks for the straight forward report.

No politics, personal or head space issues.

Just the facts.

Good points CP. Experience gives one freedom to play the game differently. I am not comfortable renting cars in the DR to this day. You are on point newbies need to keep it close and follow the rules.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1515861]Fair comment. There are many exceptions both ways.

I only post for newbies. I don't expect you, or Mr Gogo or Mr Enternational or any other regulars to pay attention. If guys haven't got the hang of things by their third or fourth trip they probably never will and any advice is wasted.

T

The more experience you have the better placed you are to know when to push your luck.

But it is not necessary to do any of the above things to have a great and cost-effective holiday on the North Coast, and by avoiding them you reduce your chances of serious trouble from "slim" to "almost nil". That is why I recommend newbies to avoid them. After two or three trips they can make their own minds up.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1515879]You took a principled stand, but you also watched how the situation evolved, weighed the potential consequences and adjusted the damage accordingly. If it wasnt about the principle you would have paid her 1500 with no resistance whatsoever. You paid 500 and all felt it was fair.[/QUOTE]I can assure you that my decision to pay 500 pesos had little if anything to do with the principle of the matter. I didn't want that girl pointing me out to all of her chica friends as the guy who will still pay up if you fail to deliver. Sure, when something feels "fair" it makes it a little easier to swallow. But fair or not, if it is the best course of action you should do it-even if it is tough to swallow. That's all I'm saying. Ignore "fair" and "principles" and focus instead on what's the best possible outcome. Sometimes that means paying less (as I did when she failed to deliver) ; sometimes that means paying more (like when you get above standard service).

And know that these girls do talk to one another. A couple nights after the incident I took another Santo Domingo girl back to my room. (I'm not sure if I mentioned this in an earlier post, but the first girl had been from Santo Domingo as well.) She was a sweet little spinner that ponied up to the bar at SB. As soon as I saw her, I called her over. She was a delight. All smiles and very young. 18 or 19 I think. Light skin. Super tight body. So, after a bit of conversation, I was taking her up to the room for 1500 pesos. Interestingly, when we got to my door, she stopped and said "I'm not sure" in broken english. She went from happy-go-lucky to apprehensive in a split second. I cannot be certain, but I would be willing to bet that the other girl had warned her friends that the guy in room 210-B (or whatever the hell my number was) paid less than agreed upon when things went sour. Why else would she have reacted that way when we got to my door?

Anyway, I kindly told her (in Spanish) that it was OK if she changed her mind; I would just take her back down to the bar. No problem. Well, I suppose she felt I seemed genuine enough because she smiled and came on inside.

Having seen her reluctance, I became a bit reluctant as well. I expected that she'd be uncomfortable, so her performance might fall flat or she'd want me to pay up front. But I thought what the hell, let's give it a shot. And good thing too, because she did not disappoint. There was no discussion of paying up front-which I would not have agreed to. We both relaxed a bit with some light kissing and general playfulness. Then we exchanged massages. When I saw that things were going well, I gave her some lingerie and she happily put them on. She seemed so grateful for the gift. She gave an incredible BBBJ which we had discussed in advance. Then we had sex for a long time before I finished with a CIM (not discussed in advance!). She was a real treat so I got her number for later. I paid her the 1500 for a little less than two hours, plus another 200 for tip and moto (I assumed she was going to DL after). She was worth every penny.

[QUOTE=Buscemi; 1515803]You are correct sir!

It's always been called Calle sin Salida,"dead End", I am not sure who named it Playa sin salida, it is actually named "Parque Mirador".

The history of Playa Alecia, a guy who workedatThe Waterfront lost his Mom, and named this newly formed beach, Playa Alecia, after his Mom, & the name stuck, there is a little hand painted sign by the wall, if you look for it.

The current mayor of Sosua built the park dedicated to the original Jewish settlers in Sosua, back in the 40's.

That is my history lesson for today.

[url]http://www.sosuaonline.net/site/images/stories/sosua_images/roban-parque-mirador.jpg[/url][/QUOTE]Thanks, never did know where the name came from.

[QUOTE=ORourke86;1515919]I can assure you that my decision to pay 500 pesos had little if anything to do with the principle of the matter. I didn't want that girl pointing me out to all of her chica friends as the guy who will still pay up if you fail to deliver.[/QUOTE]Okay, but what I was talking about was you not paying 1500 for a particular reason initialy. Your initial reaction to NOT pay 1500 was because you didn't feel she performed as expected / agreed.

"I agreed to delete the photos (and did) but refused to pay: "No trabajas, no pago!"

Thats the principle you were focused on initially. And besides, there is nothing wrong with having multiple reasons for making a decision. Whether one realizes it or not. Because you paid the 500 pesos later, she can still assume you are the guy that will pay if a chica fails to deliver. Further a chica can advise her friends, to make sure no security, staff or backup is around for you to defer to next time. I'm sure that chica paid attention to how that went down too. Even if the focus is on the best possible outcome, you are still dealing with the principle. The principle in this case is exercising damage control, and defending yourself from being cheated.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1515910]And most know them barracudas don't appreciate the drinks and meals they get. In fact, if you ask me, I am leaning more into believing those gestures of treating working girls to anything above simple p4p, potentially gives some of them the inclination a dude is soft or weak. It's like were showing these hoes a weakness by trying to enjoy a GFE with them. Have them for a couple of days and then you open yourself up for more trouble. Communicate with them when back home and instantly, you find yourself subject to requests for gifts, sob stories, pleading for help, constant attempts at guilt tripping dudes. You name it, we have all heard it. All of that potentially communicates a weakness, an area they'll try to exploit. I recently turned off the power on my DR phone. I usually keep it on, to whatsapp with a few chicas.[/QUOTE]The hardcore putas on the strips will take advantage of any sign of weakness and generosity to them is just a gateway to a bigger payoff. Men are always doing things for attractive women so they're not likely to be impressed by being "wined and dined." I'm a nice guy but I've realized you can't be "soft" with these girls, at least not in the beginning. Don't buy drinks, don't take them out to dinner and don't give any gifts unless they've done something to earn it. There are some genuinely sweet girls in the bunch but I'd advise my fellow mongers not to drop their guard.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender;1515951]The hardcore putas on the strips will take advantage of any sign of weakness and generosity to them is just a gateway to a bigger payoff. Men are always doing things for attractive women so they're not likely to be impressed by being "wined and dined." I'm a nice guy but I've realized you can't be "soft" with these girls, at least not in the beginning. Don't buy drinks, don't take them out to dinner and don't give any gifts unless they've done something to earn it. There are some genuinely sweet girls in the bunch but I'd advise my fellow mongers not to drop their guard.[/QUOTE]I agree not even with the sweet ones. They are only sweet for so long. And many aspire to have the same skills as their hardcore comrades. Some even develop and combine sweetness with hardcore skill, which can make it harder to recognize their potential for giving a guy trouble.

[QUOTE=ORourke86;1515919]her performance might fall flat or she'd want me to pay up front. But I thought what the hell, let's give it a shot. And good thing too, because she did not disappoint. There was no discussion of paying up front-which I would not have agreed to. We both relaxed a bit with some light kissing and general playfulness. Then we exchanged massages. When I saw that things were going well, I gave her some lingerie and she happily put them on. She seemed so grateful for the gift. She gave an incredible BBBJ which we had discussed in advance. Then we had sex for a long time before I finished with a CIM (not discussed in advance!). She was a real treat so I got her number for later. I paid her the 1500 for a little less than two hours, plus another 200 for tip and moto (I assumed she was going to DL after). She was worth every penny.[/QUOTE]Now thats what I call a good story with a happy ending.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1515910]At the time you were interviewing and feeling her out (over food and drink) , she should have been grilled on why she felt you did not have to pay any pesos. If she couldn't come up with a reason that actually made sense, (since her whole purpose there is whoring for cash) a dude should be prepared to throw that fish back in the pond. Because a chica whose a stranger to you saying no pesos is clearly a red flag. An obvious reason to suspect a chica is trying to bamboozle a guy. A valid reason not to take her.[/QUOTE]And this goes for anybody who does not want to give you a price upfront for anything. It reminds me of when I was in Boca Chica buying fish and I asked the guy how much it would cost. He kept telling me not to worry about it. Then when I finished eating he thought he was going to hit me with a bill for 800 pesos. I cursed him out and gave him 400 and told him that the only reason I was giving him that much was because his little daughter went to buy me a Coke; thinking he could just rip anybody off who came along.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1515955]I agree not even with the sweet ones. They are only sweet for so long. And many aspire to have the same skills as their hardcore comrades. Some even develop and combine sweetness with hardcore skill, which can make it harder to recognize their potential for giving a guy trouble.[/QUOTE]There's nothing better than an "uncorrupted" sweet girl who can perform. Got to treasure while you have her because the next visit she won't be the same.

"Sociopaths are masters at influence and deception. Very little of what they say actually checks out in terms of facts or reality, but they're extremely skillful at making the things they say sound believable, even if they're just making them up out of thin air...

Sociopaths invent outrageous lies about their experiences. They wildly exaggerate things to the point of absurdity, but when they describe it to you in a storytelling format, for some reason it sounds believable at the time."

[url]http://www.naturalnews.com/036112_sociopaths_cults_influence.html[/url]

Charles Pooter, especially you! Thanks so much. And Frannie too! And many others!

1. I spent 4 weeks in Sosua and POPlata. 4 nights at BB's. 4 nights at an all inclusive in Playa Doradas, and 5 nights at two of the Lifestyle properties in POP Playa de Cofresi. In Sosua I spent about 16 nights in total at Casa Cayena.

2. I had built up an extensive list thru the Cupid dating site before arriving in the DR. And Sosua bars were mostly for ambiance, fun, hanging out, dancing, watching the chicas etc. At BB's I had 3 TLN's and several in the hot tub only. I loved the pool and Restaurante at BB's, hanging with the guys, the general ambiance. The room had water issues, and the wifi was constantly in and out on my iPad. I liked the beach near BB's because it is wider, but my favorite is the Sosua beach to see the locals and experience the locals. I met a Canadian guy named Keith at BB's, who also had an apartment long term rental in Costambar and thru him met up with a couple of well connected NY guys living in the same apt complex for 6 or more months a year in POP. These guys are well connected and have been very helpful They live with 18-24 year old chicas, who last a month or more at a time, from what ai could tell! All non pros!

3. In Sosua I met another great American guy who is a Chef and had been living in Sosua for about 8 months and was so incredibly well connected that I hung out with him practically every night. I loved the restaurants in Sosua, particularly Baileys and some other Italian restuarnets as well. I got a Claro phone for about 1600 DOP, exchanged money at the grocery store and then also took money out of the ATM, with a 3 % fee, which I will have minimize in the future, because you can only take a max of 10, 000 DOP, per transaction. The Claro phones were a rip off and I think I must have put at least $150 into them over the course of 1 month.

4. The pro scene is not for me, although I was OK at BB's and a Haitian from Sosua D Latin's, who was with me for 3 days and 3 nights. I had some other 3-4 nightjars with me at the POP resort hotels and also in Sosua thru the Cupid site contacts I had built up and some others local chicas I met thru a bus driver at the Lifestyle resort, who drove me back to Sosua in his car and ferried some chicas from POP to Casa Cayena for me. One great one, a family friend for 3 days and nights.

5. As I mentioned, the Sosua pros are not for me! It's just a personal preference thing and neither are the BB chicas. I have decided that the local non-pros and semi pros, both thru the Cupid site, and local guys in POP who helped me, to be my best experiences. I also prefer 3-4 nights, if the chica and I find it works for both of us. I had taken over a dozen 100 ml perfume bottles, good quality stuff from the US. 25 sets of earrings, several $80 Brazilian bikinis as well and was good about mixing them up with dineros, except at BB's, where I stuck to their pricing program. All chicas got at least what the BB chicas get per night, from me, in terms of dineros and gifts. Usually much more than the BB's TLN rate!

I hurt my right arm at BB's on my 3rd night, after one too many at 130 am in the pool, trying to jump out of the deep end, by trying to push up. Hurt some tendons and nerves, still not completely recovered after 1 month! But 90 percent of the way there! My fault. Dumb of me to not realize I am no longer in my 20's. So, that limited my activities for the second half of my 4 week trip. I loved the Lifestyle resort and the Blue Bay Villas as well. Love the shows, entertainment, food and booze and the private beaches! Got decent deals thru Travelocity from $70-$108 per night, for 2 people, all inclusive! Plan to do many more of those on my next trip. Keep moving and checking out of different properties, so I can change the chicas for each 3-4 night stay!

6. My first time in the DR. I really liked it. Want to be back in March / April for about 6-7 weeks, but mostly in POP, if I can find multiple quality weekly apartment rentals, with great Wifi, no water / hot water issues, generator for power outages and good pool etc. All of which BB's, Casa Cayena, and the resorts in Playa Doradas and Lifestyle Playa de Cofresi had the quality I was looking for. But I prefer the Sosua beach, the restaurants in Sosua, having everything within walking distance etc. So, I will be back at Casa Cayema probably for 2 of the 6-7 weeks. Yes, I am pretty much retired and so I have the time and the adventure spirit and want to meet real non pro locals, primarily. Cause that is the only experience I like. Don't care for the short time or 1 nighter either. So I guess I am pretty much off the norm for 90 peremt of the people on this board, BTW, please do not take any of that in a pejorative sense. Because we are all different and whatever works for each of us. At our various stages in life.

7. If any one has any suggestions for quality weekly apartment rentals in Puerto Plata, please PM me! And I am happy to answer questions. BTW, I am not the picture taking type, so I have just a few, and I never asked any chica permission to post anyway.

8. I know I don't care for the pros in Sosua. I am sure there are many exceptions, like the Haitian chica. But I think they are all hardened by their own experiences and over time become largely transactional. By contrast, the Cupid chicas and local contacts, though a lot of work, and with only a 30-40 great experience ratio, still worked better for me!

[QUOTE=Haven123;1516048]I know I don't care for the pros in Sosua. I think they are all hardened by their own experiences and over time become largely transactional.[/QUOTE]Nice! A lot of Sosua vets have moved on for exactly the reasons you mentioned. So much pussy all over the island. Good to see you caught on fast.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1516052]Nice! A lot of Sosua vets have moved on for exactly the reasons you mentioned. So much pussy all over the island. Good to see you caught on fast.[/QUOTE]Thanks! If you would ever want to coordinate 1-2 of my next stays at one of the resorts at either Blue Bay Villas Playa Doradas or Lifestyle. Each with our own chica. For 3-4 nights each. That would be great. I missed not being part of a group. As a matter of fact, if we can get 3-4 guys, each with their own chicas, I think hanging at the resort pools, pools bars, restaurants, discos, shows etc. Would also be a lot more fun! FWIW.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1516048]Keep moving and checking out of different properties, so I can change the chicas for each 3-4 night stay![/QUOTE]Excellent idea! I'm going to try this on my next trip. Thanks for the tip.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1516013]Sociopaths invent outrageous lies about their experiences. They wildly exaggerate things to the point of absurdity, but when they describe it to you in a storytelling format, for some reason it sounds believable at the time."[/QUOTE]The truth is much stranger than fiction.

Does anyone know of an antibiotic pill or shot form that will take care of most if not all bacteria from rawdogging a chick?

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[QUOTE=ORourke86;1515919]I didn't want that girl pointing me out to all of her chica friends as the guy who will still pay up if you fail to deliver.[/QUOTE]ORourke86, I just wanted to add a little more perspective in regards to your scenario, and to your statement above. Apparently, what some of these chicas think about you is important to you or a concern. Connecting that to your scenario, in hindsight do you think when you offered that chica a gift (the lingerie) before her having to earn it, that that was a good look for you?

I re-read your scenario. That gift wasnt as important to her as the money. Her focus was on what she really came for, the money. At some point you tried to reason with her about you being "kind and generous" to her, giving her a gift, so why wouldn't you pay her? That didnt phase her much. Even that exchange can come off as being weak in the eye of that chica, and all of her friends she shares that story with. In addition, when she said you would have to pay her, she requested that you delete her photos from YOUR camera. And you complied. That chica has got some balls, to make a dude delete pics from his camera.

What message can that potentially send to the chica communication network? Did she get to keep the lingerie too? If not, no problem. She just tells her girls that you are the guy who gives out gifts. The next chica can get the gift. If she did take the lingerie with her, well that reinforces a potential negative for you within the CCN.

"Girl I'm a fucking working girl and this dude gave me lingerie just because I came to his place. I didn't care about that, I wanted to know about my damn money"."yeah girl, I put on an academy award performance making him think I liked and adored the lingerie, but girl, that shit was more important to him than it was to me. I just want to make sure I get paid." "Ya know girl, I really didn't want to fuck him, because him giving me lingerie seemed kinda scary, as if he was trying to treat me like a GF"."Thats why I asked for my money up front" "I didn't want him to think that that lingerie was any form of payment, him giving me a gift?" "That shit was on him" Of course I am ad libbing here. I can't think in but one head, but I wouldn't be surprised in the least if this is how chicas are thinking about our behavior with them.

Another consideration. You recall me saying the initial reason you didn't pay the girl is because you felt she didn't earn the 1500? No work, no pay. Was basically what you told her. Now consider how you may have confused that hoe by giving her lingerie in the beginning, without her having to work for it, but later say you won't pay her 1500 because she didn't work for that? You initially set the stage that you will give when nothing is earned. So she made an attempt to get some money up front. This isn't just for you. Things like this is something we all need to pay attention to while we are mongering. Many of us feel good giving shit to women and hoping they appreciate it.

With strangers (especially working girls) , it's probably best to stick to the principle of paying or gifting chicas, ONLY AFTER services are performed. And when it comes to strangers be mindful of the possibility that she may not be the type that gives a damn about being given a gift, or you being kind and generous. Oh yeah they'll play if off as if they absolutely love the gift and are having a swell time with you, and make you feel all proud and shit, but the bottom line is they know deep down they didn't earn it. And whether they know it or not, they may have a decreased level of respect for you subconsciously, even though they are all smiles in your face. And if a dude has some concerns about the CCN getting hold of how he operates with chicas, you best believe it may have some bearing on how that dude is perceived from that point on.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1515556]Is Superbowl weekend still considered to be the worst mongering time in Sosua?[/QUOTE]I wonder by whose account or standard O? This will be my 3rd time being in Sosua when SB was on. I absolutely enjoyed myself each time. For one, SBW usually brings more chicas to Sosua hoping to make some quick cash. 2ndly, all mongers don't roll the same, so there usually is no reason to be concerned about there being less chicas to hook up with. Plus guys have more of their friends there to socialize with instead of just chicas.

When I come to Sosua, I rarely go to the strip looking for prospects. I can sit in "the office" (Rockys) and fish from my seat. Chicas are all over the place all day and all night. I can find a chica to bang just about anywhere, and never set foot in Rumba or D'Latin. Plus, many mongers have regulars and favoritas they keep in contact with. A dude can connect with Dom Cupid chicas online prior to coming or even when he is in Sosua. IMO, I think SBW potentially brings out more dimes than usual.

Perhaps the thing that contributes to SBW being the worst time for some, is because many hotels are packed to the brim. Fewer choices of hotels or good rooms. Plus more people means they have to step up their game when it comes to service. Room service, restaurant service probably sucks during that time. Can the bars and workers keep up with the demand? Or perhaps people are concerned about the increased volume of knuckleheads that will be showing their asses that week?

Regardless of what is going on around me, I usually enjoy the hell out of myself during that time. And guess what? I don't even watch football.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender;1515994]There's nothing better than an "uncorrupted" sweet girl who can perform. Got to treasure while you have her because the next visit she won't be the same.[/QUOTE]Yes indeed. I have watched quite a few evolve from an "uncorrupted" chica into someone totally different on subsequent visits. But I guess they can say the same for me, that I changed too. For some reason many of these chicas in the game seem to age at a faster rate.

I had built up an extensive list thru the Cupid dating site before arriving in the DR.

This is exactly what I did before arriving in Sosua for my December trip and am currently working on for my return in February. I screened about twenty girls the month before arriving and was very upfront with the girls via E-mail and instant messaging on the Dominican Cupid Site. After getting to know the girls I would inform them that I was there on vacation not looking for a wife or a serious relationship. At this point the girls would either drop out or say "no problema". I would propose a scenario if we hit it off and acknowledge that they need money and ask them how much for a 12 hour night, etc. At this point some refused to quote a price so they dropped out. I had four girls quote me from 2,000 Pesos to 3,000 pesos. I had each girl come to Hotel Casa Cayena (great place) to meet me. One of the girls I had to turn away as she didn't look like her photo's. One of them was a divorced Mom of two who I spent two nights with but she figured out what I was up too so we didn't click. Another was a 22 year old cutie that cozied right up to me but was not to reliable answering the phone & E-mails so I didn't get to hook-up with her again. The last one which was the first one turned out to be a winner (2,000 Pesos) and I spent six nights and some days with her, she's my 28 year old hard body with no kids that is a sweetheart. She has sent me texts every other day since returning home and hasn't asked me yet to send her any money and knows I'll be returning in February.

I am assuming you speak Spanish because none of the girls I met on the Cupid Site spoke English. How did you handle what your expectations were with these girls, what you were doing there, how much money, etc you might pay them, etc. I am evaluating my approach on the dating site and was very careful to avoid any misunderstandings. My Spanish is limited but sufficient. Any suggestions or insights as to how you handled these Cupid girls would be appreciated. Also, I limited my selections to the Puerto Plata area so to avoid any one travelling from far away. Case in point, the one I had to turn away!

I took a stroll this morning and passed Passion's. I happened to meet the manager and he told me that the club will open tonight at 6 pm. Maybe this is old news for you but I have not seen anything about it in this forum.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1516218]Yes indeed. I have watched quite a few evolve from an "uncorrupted" chica into someone totally different on subsequent visits. But I guess they can say the same for me, that I changed too. For some reason many of these chicas in the game seem to age at a faster rate.[/QUOTE]You can blame poor eating habits, pregnancy, excessive partying, drinking and smoking. When the only work out you get daily is lying on your back it's no surprise these chicas don't look so good by their mid to late 20s. It's sad because a lot of these girls could rival the models back home if they just exercised a bit.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1516223]I am assuming you speak Spanish because none of the girls I met on the Cupid Site spoke English. How did you handle what your expectations were with these girls, what you were doing there, how much money, etc you might pay them, etc. I am evaluating my approach on the dating site and was very careful to avoid any misunderstandings. My Spanish is limited but sufficient. Any suggestions or insights as to how you handled these Cupid girls would be appreciated. Also, I limited my selections to the Puerto Plata area so to avoid any one travelling from far away. Case in point, the one I had to turn away![/QUOTE]Not sure who you were seeking feedback from, but I can share a little of my experience.

I don't speak spanish fluently. I know enough Spanish to get by though. When I 1st joined DC I thought it was cool corresponding back and forth with chicas for weeks and months before meeting them. Now, I find that counter-productive, and to a certain extent, kinda corny. We arent developing a relationship, so whats the point? For one, many of these chicas are communicating with several dudes all at the same time. Just like any other dating website. The only connection that counts is the one with the guy in country with her at that moment. Only when I'm there will my turn be significant. So now, when my membership is paid and I'm browsing profiles or responding to interested chicas, I send messages to chicas telling them I will be there in a week.

Give me your number and I'll call you when I get there. Just about every woman I sent that message to, left her number in my mailbox. No hesitation. I believe when they know you will be there so soon, you get moved up on the priority list. They know some bennies are just a week away. A dude still online yapping away aint getting nowhere until he gets himself down there.

When I arrive in country, if I want I will call them, and arrange a meeting. Last April it was a chica that lived in PP. I called her before I left the airport to go to Sosua. I met a taxi friend of mine at the airport and got him to translate for me. I ended up going into PP to meet her that afternoon. She was fine as hell. Took her back to Don Antonio and she was my pretend GF for about 2 months. Thats just one example. But my point is, I feel I am having more success just taking numbers and calling when I get in country, than maintaining weeks and months of meaningless chatter with women who are juggling communication with several dudes online including me.

I don't concern myself getting details straight with chicas (their expectations for $$$) before meeting them. That I can do once I meet them in person, once I realize there is mutual attraction. Ironically, often it wasnt necessary getting payment expectations out on the table. We just went with the flow. Most times things went well, all were satisfied. Other times, adjustments had to made for overly opportunistic chicas. If a Dom Cupid chica tried to get payment details on the table online or in email prior to meeting, I probably wouldn't follow through with her. I can go to Sosua for that.

[quote=Wrx2005; 1516319]Not sure who you were seeking feedback from, but I can share a little of my experience.[/quote]I appreciate hearing your experience (s) as it is exactly what I was looking for. It sounds as though we have both been successful with the dating site even though we went about things in a different way. I did get lots of numbers, call me when you arrive, etc. And will " loosen up" my approach in preparing for my return in February.

Thanks again for your feedback.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1515991]And this goes for anybody who does not want to give you a price upfront for anything. It reminds me of when I was in Boca Chica buying fish and I asked the guy how much it would cost. He kept telling me not to worry about it. Then when I finished eating he thought he was going to hit me with a bill for 800 pesos. I cursed him out and gave him 400 and told him that the only reason I was giving him that much was because his little daughter went to buy me a Coke; thinking he could just rip anybody off who came along.[/QUOTE]I used to have a Dominican taxi / tourist guide friend that always said don't worry about it when I used his services. By not giving prices / costs for services it's easier to end up paying him more. And he knows that. Thats why he scoffs and acts indifferent when asked to give up a price / cost for his services. In addition he has asked me to buy stuff for him and bring it to him when I return. But bringing gifts, that doesn't mean he expects less for his services. In fact, it seems the more you befriend some individuals in the DR the more they expect to get out of you because of that "friendship" (familiarity ). I like him as a friend, but prefer not to partake of his services or get too involved with him socially for the reasons I stated.

Same goes for my cable guy who invited me to spend time with his family, but set me up to pay for a shit load of presidentes even though I was supposed to be his guest. That matter was eventually resolved by his sister later that night in my spot.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1516223]I had built up an extensive list thru the Cupid dating site before arriving in the DR. This is exactly what I did before arriving in Sosua for my December trip and am currently working on for my return in February. I screened about twenty girls the month before arriving and was very upfront with the girls via E-mail and instant messaging on the Dominican Cupid Site. After getting to know the girls I would inform them that I was there on vacation not looking for a wife or a serious relationship.[/QUOTE]That sounds like a lot of work to find someone you will only be interested in for a few hours and want to pay anyway. If you are going to vacation in the middle of nowhere maybe, but you are visiting Sosua. It's like visiting Orlando but wasting a bunch of time online beforehand trying to locate a few merry-go-rounds. Once you arrive it will be in your face and you can just pick the ripe fruit from the tree. I would rather use online fishing for someone I am interested in not for a hooker-trick relationship but more for a long-term basis, and not a 12-hour basis. You probably spent more time than that trying to weed them out or vet them. In addition, after going through all of that you have to worry about no-shows. Like Wrx said, all you need to do it sit inside Rocky's and when a girl walks by say,"Hey you. Come here." And it's a done deal.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1516171]Apparently, what some of these chicas think about you is important to you or a concern.[/QUOTE]I'm only concerned with what they think of me to the extent that I think it will affect the future service I will receive (from them or those they communicate with).

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1516171]in hindsight do you think when you offered that chica a gift (the lingerie) before her having to earn it, that that was a good look for you?[/QUOTE]I think there is a serious tradeoff here and we would all do well to understand that tradeoff, even though we might reach a different conclusion based on our unique preferences. Gifts vs cash only has been discussed on the boards before. And I think there is some merit to both views. Let me try to lay out the issues.

I agree with you that giving a gift might suggest to the chica that you can be taken advantage of. I also agree that giving a gift in advance might send mixed signals about whether you plan to pay in cash or in kind and this might prompt a girl to request cash payment up front as well. These facts alone suggest that we would all do well by paying only in cash (no gifts!) and, if we do bring gifts, only give them after services are rendered or during repeat interactions.

On the other hand, some of us enjoy giving gifts. I think, in most cases, you are right: she does not give a damn about being given a gift. She just wants the money. So when I say the gifts are enjoyable for me I certainly don't mean "it feels good to give" because it probably isn't doing anything for her. No, I mean I actually get something out of it. I don't bring soaps or lotions or perfumes. I bring lingerie. And while, ostensibly, it is a gift for her, it is *actually* a gift for me. I like telling a girl to put something on and know that she will do it-and basically anything-for me. I much prefer pounding a cute little thing in a small lace slip. I love watching the fabric stretch just up to the breaking point as I pull it tight against her while taking her from behind. It just makes the experience much better for me. And, let's face it: sometimes you bring a tiny little spinner back to the room and she doesn't look quite as good without clothes on as you expected. How many times have you though "She's so fucking tiny. Where the hell did that pouch come from!" A little lingerie conceals just enough. It can make an 8 or 9 look like a 10. So giving gifts only after services are performed defeats the purpose for me.

For me, the potential reduction in service from gifting (appearing to be weak, etc) is not enough to offset to pleasure the gifts bring me. So I give gifts. But this only works for me because I really enjoy the gifts. Others may only want to bang a naked girl. In which case they would be foolish to waste their money on such gifts. Others may have other attributes that make them look weak already, and would be foolish to make their problem worse by giving gifts. The important thing is to recognize the tradeoff and make the best decision for you.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1516171]Oh yeah they'll play if off as if they absolutely love the gift and are having a swell time with you, and make you feel all proud and shit[/QUOTE]Yeah. I know they would prefer if I just gave them an extra $6 in cash instead of spending that money on lingerie. And, for the most part, they are just acting. When they are grateful for gifts. When they are having sex with you. When they say "You too big papi". When they cuddle in close at night like you are the only man in their life. Hell, it is all one big act. But that is what we are paying for: an immersive experience.

No one walks out of an action movie and says "That wasn't so great because they were just acting." No one gets off a roller coaster and says "I would have enjoyed it more if my life were actually in serious danger." We all love to suspend disbelief at times. It's fun!

These girls-the really good ones-make you believe that you are a god in the sack; that you are so powerful and important that they will do whatever you want; that you can have them forever because you are so desirable. Is it true? Hell no. Unsurprisingly, most of us are average. So we all know better (or, at least those of us who are not fools know better.) But it feels good to be king, if only for a little while, and if only in our own minds.

Enjoy it. Then pay up.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1516319]That I can do once I meet them in person, once I realize there is mutual attraction.[/QUOTE]I assume by "mutual attraction" you mean that you find her attractive and she is willing to take your cash.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1516373]Like Wrx said, all you need to do it sit inside Rocky's and when a girl walks by say,"Hey you. Come here." And it's a done deal.[/QUOTE]God, I love Sosua. It is so easy.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1516373]That sounds like a lot of work to find someone you will only be interested in for a few hours and want to pay anyway. If you are going to vacation in the middle of nowhere maybe, but you are visiting Sosua. It's like visiting Orlando but wasting a bunch of time online beforehand trying to locate a few merry-go-rounds. Once you arrive it will be in your face and you can just pick the ripe fruit from the tree. I would rather use online fishing for someone I am interested in not for a hooker-trick relationship but more for a long-term basis, and not a 12-hour basis. You probably spent more time than that trying to weed them out or vet them. In addition, after going through all of that you have to worry about no-shows. Like Wrx said, all you need to do it sit inside Rocky's and when a girl walks by say,"Hey you. Come here." And it's a done deal.[/QUOTE]In October and November my DC membership was in full effect. I had several numbers of chicas to contact. However, I only contacted one from PP. She had the Mr Ed thing going on with her grill. Plus she lied about her age. Her profile said she was 29, but in person she revealed that she was 41. A total turn off. And it changed my interest in pursuing the other contacts.

So, every time I was on the ground in Sosua, there were so many chicas available, that I forgot all about the DC chicas. In Sosua the chicas were right in my face. My attraction was realized in the moment, no guess work involved. We all knew why they were there and what was expected. The DC chicas I had no clue if I would be attracted to or would want to get with them. Plus, the probability of encountering issues, like them claiming to need money for transportation or them being on or coming off the rag.

You know the saying "A bird in the hand."

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1516373]That sounds like a lot of work to find someone you will only be interested in for a few hours and want to pay anyway. If you are going to vacation in the middle of nowhere maybe, but you are visiting Sosua. It's like visiting Orlando but wasting a bunch of time online beforehand trying to locate a few merry-go-rounds. Once you arrive it will be in your face and you can just pick the ripe fruit from the tree. I would rather use online fishing for someone I am interested in not for a hooker-trick relationship but more for a long-term basis, and not a 12-hour basis. You probably spent more time than that trying to weed them out or vet them. In addition, after going through all of that you have to worry about no-shows. Like Wrx said, all you need to do it sit inside Rocky's and when a girl walks by say,"Hey you. Come here." And it's a done deal...[/QUOTE]I ended up with one DC chica for six nights and three full days together so consider the time I spent to find her well worth it. At other times I was pulling chicas off the beach, the streets, bars, beauty shops, etc. Just like sitting at Rocky's but didn't always have the greatest experiences but did have some good ones as explained in my past reports reports when I was there in December.

[QUOTE=ORourke86;1516379]I assume by "mutual attraction" you mean that you find her attractive and she is willing to take your cash.[/QUOTE]Yes exactly!

Dunno what to say. I met over a dozen from Cupid and they were all honest and none were over 23. It is a lot of work though. I get their Facebook sites and check out all their photos and their timelines. I validate, cross- validate and look for sound of their voice, how they talk etc. Even though my spanish is barely elementary. I am also fairly proficient in reading people in general. Not a 100% success rate, but probably say 65. But it is an art though and I can't quite spell out the details of taking in individual data points and weaving them into a personality profile projection.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1516386]In October and November my DC membership was in full effect. I had several numbers of chicas to contact. However, I only contacted one from PP. She had the Mr Ed thing going on with her grill. Plus she lied about her age. Her profile said she was 29, but in person she revealed that she was 41. A total turn off. And it changed my interest in pursuing the other contacts.

So, every time I was on the ground in Sosua, there were so many chicas available, that I forgot all about the DC chicas. In Sosua the chicas were right in my face. My attraction was realized in the moment, no guess work involved. We all knew why they were there and what was expected. The DC chicas I had no clue if I would be attracted to or would want to get with them. Plus, the probability of encountering issues, like them claiming to need money for transportation or them being on or coming off the rag.

You know the saying "A bird in the hand."[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1516386]In October and November my DC membership was in full effect. I had several numbers of chicas to contact. However, I only contacted one from PP. She had the Mr Ed thing going on with her grill. Plus she lied about her age. Her profile said she was 29, but in person she revealed that she was 41. A total turn off. And it changed my interest in pursuing the other contacts.

So, every time I was on the ground in Sosua, there were so many chicas available, that I forgot all about the DC chicas. In Sosua the chicas were right in my face. My attraction was realized in the moment, no guess work involved. We all knew why they were there and what was expected. The DC chicas I had no clue if I would be attracted to or would want to get with them. Plus, the probability of encountering issues, like them claiming to need money for transportation or them being on or coming off the rag.

You know the saying "A bird in the hand."[/QUOTE]That's is super. Clearly it is working for you and you are happy! Unfortunately, I only like to hang with the Sosua chicas, buy them drinks, flirt, dance etc. I really do not want any Sosua hard core or experienced pros, with more than 30-60 days experience in my room. Just does not work for me. Strangely enough, sometimes I like soft pros chicas in Brasil. Otherwise I prefer puerto plata non-pros, because I do not want any ST or usually, really even a 1 nighter. So, I am definitely not the norm.

This dovetails really well with my experience with the Cupid girls and the POP non pros.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1516319]Not sure who you were seeking feedback from, but I can share a little of my experience.

I don't speak spanish fluently. I know enough spanish to get by though. When I 1st joined DC I thought it was cool corresponding back and forth with chicas for weeks and months before meeting them. Now, I find that counter-productive, and to a certain extent, kinda corny. We arent developing a relationship, so whats the point? For one, many of these chicas are communicating with several dudes all at the same time. Just like any other dating website. The only connection that counts is the one with the guy in country with her at that moment. Only when I'm there will my turn be significant. So now, when my membership is paid and I'm browsing profiles or responding to interested chicas, I send messages to chicas telling them I will be there in a week.

Give me your number and I'll call you when I get there. Just about every woman I sent that message to, left her number in my mailbox. No hesitation. I believe when they know you will be there so soon, you get moved up on the priority list. They know some bennies are just a week away. A dude still online yapping away aint getting nowhere until he gets himself down there.

When I arrive in country, if I want I will call them, and arrange a meeting. Last April it was a chica that lived in PP. I called her before I left the airport to go to Sosua. I met a taxi friend of mine at the airport and got him to translate for me. I ended up going into PP to meet her that afternoon. She was fine as hell. Took her back to Don Antonio and she was my pretend GF for about 2 months. Thats just one example. But my point is, I feel I am having more success just taking numbers and calling when I get in country, than maintaining weeks and months of meaningless chatter with women who are juggling communication with several dudes online including me.

I don't concern myself getting details straight with chicas (their expectations for $$$) before meeting them. That I can do once I meet them in person, once I realize there is mutual attraction. Ironically, often it wasnt necessary getting payment expectations out on the table. We just went with the flow. Most times things went well, all were satisfied. Other times, adjustments had to made for overly opportunistic chicas. If a Dom Cupid chica tried to get payment details on the table online or in email prior to meeting, I probably wouldn't follow through with her. I can go to Sosua for that.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1516202]I wonder by whose account or standard O?[/QUOTE]I've never been during the Super Bowl, but I've read some people's observations / accounts that chicas prices tend to be higher during this time. I know this is a generalization since different people travel in different circles, but I think the reference would be to the average monger in D'Latin or Rhumba.

[QUOTE=ORourke86; 1516374]I'm only concerned with what they think of me to the extent that I think it will affect the future service I will receive (from them or those they communicate with).

For me, the potential reduction in service from gifting (appearing to be weak, etc) is not enough to offset to pleasure the gifts bring me. So I give gifts.[/QUOTE]Generally speaking, I can relate to you when it comes to having a woman wear sexy lingerie. It surely can enhance some womens sex appeal. But at the same time, usually the sexy attire a woman is wearing when I meet her does it for me and then some. The rest that goes on between us, usually happens in the dark or subdued light. Moreover, if it's only ST, the chica really isn't going to be there that long, nor will she be wearing the lingerie that long for it to make that much of a difference in the overall experience. But I do understand that this is what works for you.

I get your point also, that a reduction in service from gifting (potentially appearing weak) is not enough to offset the pleasure the gifts bring you. But the problem with that sole perspective, is that a reduction in service may not be the only risk nor the worse outcome a monger may face? If a monger misjudges the impact of potentially appearing weak with the wrong chicas, he could find himself dealing with a lot more than a reduction in service. Like a chica calling some cops she knows that can set a dude up proper for extortion. Or potentially what that chica did. If anything, your incident can serve as reminder for all of us, of what can potentially happen with the wrong chica that doesn't share our pleasures / interests / motivations. And we must all be aware, in some instances a dude may not be able to buy his way instantly out of trouble.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1516413]I've never been during the Super Bowl, but I've read some people's observations / accounts that chicas prices tend to be higher during this time. I know this is a generalization since different people travel in different circles, but I think the reference would be to the average monger in D'Latin or Rhumba.[/QUOTE]The way I look at it, chicas arent like retail clothing stores where shit goes on sale and then gets marked up. In Sosua pussy is always negotiable. Come to think of it. In the past few months I haven't heard many stories of dudes complaining about chicas expecting ridiculous amounts for their services. One or two here or there, but not like it was a few months ago like it was an epidemic. If anything guys have been reporting paying on average 1000 to 2000 for ST.

If there is a sharp increase in chicas asking ridiculous amounts for SBW, hopefully they'll experience enough guys who will quickly bring them back to reality. My recollection of past SBW, I didn't have any problem with finding affordable pussy. Another consideration? A lot of fresh newbies will likely be on hand. They might try to blurt out some ridiculous amount, and they may hook a few dudes. But an experienced monger will quickly shoot that shit down. I suspect competition will be fierce. A lot of chicas will be sitting on their asses, or pacing up and down Dr Rosen looking for work, just like I witnessed in Nov and Dec. Guys are going to take advantage of that.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1516402], I only like to hang with the Sosua chicas, buy them drinks, flirt, dance etc. I really do not want any Sosua hard core or experienced pros, with more than 30-60 days experience in my room. Just does not work for me. Strangely enough, sometimes I like soft pros chicas in Brasil. Otherwise I prefer puerto plata non-pros, because I do not want any ST or usually, really even a 1 nighter. So, I am definitely not the norm.[/QUOTE]I don't think your out of the norm not wanting to deal with the Sosua hardcore pro's. I noticed quite a few guys wifing up at times, seeing the same girl multiple times, and avoiding the girls on the Strip. In my case, I was mixing it up every day or so having sleepovers and then pulling in new ones. Just a kid in a candy store!

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1516430]In the past few months I haven't heard many stories of dudes complaining about chicas expecting ridiculous amounts for their services. One or two here or there, but not like it was a few months ago like it was an epidemic. If anything guys have been reporting paying on average 1000 to 2000 for ST.[/QUOTE]This is consistent with my recent trip. Almost every girl I encountered could be had ST for 1500 without any real negotiating. If you are willing to negotiate, I'm sure you could beat it down to 1000, especially during the day. Some very premium night-only girls were at 2000 ST and not budging. But very rare.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1516430]A lot of fresh newbies will likely be on hand. They might try to blurt out some ridiculous amount, and they may hook a few dudes. But an experienced monger will quickly shoot that shit down.[/QUOTE]Exactly. If they don't recognize you or think you might not know the ropes, of course they will ask for a lot of money. Why not? Worst case scenario: you will correct them and they will still get the going rate.

[QUOTE=ORourke86;1516374]I'm only concerned with what they think of me to the extent that I think it will affect the future service I will receive (from them or those they communicate with).[/QUOTE]I like your attitude! Do not let others put words in your mouth. Giving gifts even to a Sosua "puta" (who are hardened but just as human as we are) , does not set you up as a mark. All you are doing (other than getting the pleasure for yourself as you described, is setting her up with a positive vibe. Which translates into a better time spent together. The fact of bringing a gift, is not so much an incentive but an acknowledgement that you have thought about this person (at least in the receiver's mind) and that per se creates a positive outcome. As they say, it is not the object but the thought behind it that counts. This is not to say, that all women will react equally (very negatively according to popular fiction but I am yet to see this and I started my secret life around 1986 in land down under) or will reciprocate but you live your life according to the good karma you want to generate. Ignore the nay-sayers!

[QUOTE=Bellpepper;1516285]I took a stroll this morning and passed Passion's. I happened to meet the manager and he told me that the club will open tonight at 6 pm. Maybe this is old news for you but I have not seen anything about it in this forum.[/QUOTE]Is it open?

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1516413]I've never been during the Super Bowl, but I've read some people's observations / accounts that chicas prices tend to be higher during this time. I know this is a generalization since different people travel in different circles, but I think the reference would be to the average monger in D'Latin or Rhumba.[/QUOTE]I've been to super bowl in Sosua 2 years ina row, about to make it mt 3rd in a few weeks. By far the best selection of chicas in Sosua during the year. Never experienced chicas uping their price during super bowl. If anything it is easier to negoiate becuase there is so much competion during super bowl.

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1516487]By far the best selection of chicas in sosua during the year.[/QUOTE]Cool. I hope you Superbowl mongers take and post some pics of the talent.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1516462]I like your attitude! Do not let others put words in your mouth. Giving gifts even to a Sosua "puta" (who are hardened but just as human as we are) , does not set you up as a mark. All you are doing (other than getting the pleasure for yourself as you described, is setting her up with a positive vibe. Which translates into a better time spent together. The fact of bringing a gift, is not so much an incentive but an acknowledgement that you have thought about this person (at least in the receiver's mind) and that per se creates a positive outcome. As they say, it is not the object but the thought behind it that counts. This is not to say, that all women will react equally (very negatively according to popular fiction but I am yet to see this and I started my secret life around 1986 in land down under) or will reciprocate but you live your life according to the good karma you want to generate. Ignore the nay-sayers![/QUOTE]At this point I'm going to address you and ORourke68 here. 1st off the only reason you are posting is because you and your buddy Old Fool have a bug up their butt in my regard on these boards. And I'm sure thats the motivation for this type of response. I find that type of posting very cowardly. Now to the meat and potatoes.

Nobody put any words in anybodys mouth. And nobody here took the position of being a nay sayer. I don't think ORourke even took it that way. ORourkes position was acknowledged as him doing his own thing. If anything, the exchange has been productive and respectful. I don't talk to people as if they are children even if I am offering a perspective or advice. Further, throughout my exchange with ORourke I purposely prefaced my comments using words as "may" and "potentially" "possibly". Those words are powerful, because they acknowledge the possibility of being wrong, or something not applying. I leave room for error. I never intended nor do I recall trying to throw out absolutes of what is going to happen. My motivation was simply offering brotherly caution.

Whereas your response has a dual motive here. And check it. You couldn't possibly know if giving gifts even to a Sosua "puta" (who are hardened but just as human as we are) "does not set you up as a mark". How the hell could you possible know that for sure? Totally irresponsible statement. You better learn the power of the words may, possibly and potentially. Your statement had no thought at all, that was you simply trying to counter what I said. It's much wiser to always be aware of how ones actions may or potentially send the wrong message or cause the wrong type of attention. I hope you see the words may and potentially? Because we don't need to see any more exaggerations about somebody putting words in anybodies mouth, or being a nay sayer

From what I read, ORourke appears to be quite astute of realizing there are risks out there, seems to know that every chica doesn't respond to gifts the same. Next time you want to get at me, why don't you just come direct? Give me the opportunity to help you understand what you read and the spirit in which it was was given to the individual I was talking to.

ORourke, if in any way I over stepped my bounds or appeared too expressive, I meant no harm, and did not intend to discount your abilities to protect your own interest. Other than that. I hope were all good?

[QUOTE=ORourke86; 1516454]This is consistent with my recent trip. Almost every girl I encountered could be had ST for 1500 without any real negotiating. If you are willing to negotiate, I'm sure you could beat it down to 1000, especially during the day. Some very premium night-only girls were at 2000 ST and not budging. But very rare.

Exactly. If they don't recognize you or think you might not know the ropes, of course they will ask for a lot of money. Why not? Worst case scenario: you will correct them and they will still get the going rate.[/QUOTE]Consistent with my recent trip as well. Ironically, once me and a chica agree on at least 1500 as a base, I'm good. What I eventually give her when done is a whole other story. Because many of the chicas I had last trip were great, which resulted in me giving them a 500 peso propina and maybe moto money. None of them asked for a propina or expected me to give one, so the 500 peso propina was totally on me. If a chica quoted me 2000 right off the bat for ST, I would likely counter with 1500. Of course it would depend on how attracted I was to her. When done, I might be less likely to give her the 500 peso propina. But would do so if the chica was exceptional or someone I would consider special.

I do recall one newbie quoting me 3500 for ST. But it was clear the only reason she did it, was just to see if I would go for it. It's comical how a chica can go from 3500 to 1500 in 5 seconds. On the way back to your spot, it would be quite interesting getting a chica to be honest about why she quoted some ridiculously high amount.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1516400]Dunno what to say. I met over a dozen from Cupid and they were all honest and none were over 23. It is a lot of work though. I get their Facebook sites and check out all their photos and their timelines. I validate, cross- validate and look for sound of their voice, how they talk etc. Even though my spanish is barely elementary. I am also fairly proficient in reading people in general. Not a 100% success rate, but probably say 65. But it is an art though and I can't quite spell out the details of taking in individual data points and weaving them into a personality profile projection.[/QUOTE]Since I'll be in the DR for an entire month (Jan into Feb) , I may mix it up. Enjoy the hell out of Sosua. And also travel around to some neighboring towns. I still have the numbers of some DC chicas. I don't think they would hold it against me that I didn't call or follow through before. They may not even care. I know a very nice 40yr old chica from Santiago I met on DC back in August. She co owns a salon. I may surprise her with a visit. That much time in country will allow me to be more adventurous.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1516660]Since I'll be in the DR for an entire month (Jan into Feb) , I may mix it up. Enjoy the hell out of Sosua. And also travel around to some neighboring towns. I still have the numbers of some DC chicas. I don't think they would hold it against me that I didn't call or follow through before. They may not even care. I know a very nice 40yr old chica from Santiago I met on DC back in August. She co owns a salon. I may surprise her with a visit. That much time in country will allow me to be more adventurous.[/QUOTE]Love to travel to some neighboring towns. What do you recommend, with a driver, cause I will not drive in the DR. Also, any towns with good accommodations, with good free wifi, good water and electricity? And of course, plenty of chicas with a small town attitude?

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1516462]The fact of bringing a gift, is not so much an incentive but an acknowledgement that you have thought about this person (at least in the receiver's mind) and that per se creates a positive outcome.[/QUOTE]I think you are right in saying it is not so much of an incentive. You should not expect a lower cash price (or even better service) when you are handing over a gift. Do it for yourself or don't do it. Large in-kind payments that some guys (not me!) make during an extended stay might reduce your bill somewhat, but probably not dollar-for-dollar. Even then, you'd be well served to assume none of that counts toward the bill unless you discuss it with her in advance.

I'm less inclined to believe it "sets a positive vibe" and therefore makes it more likely you'll have a positive experience. Perhaps. But, in my experience, it is pretty easy to set a positive vibe with these girls. So I can't see the gifts doing much more on that front.

With that said, it seems reasonable to me that some girls do appreciate the gifts (though perhaps not as much as cash value). They ask if I have anymore for a sister or a friend. I always say "Solo para ti, mi amor!"

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1516627]And nobody here took the position of being a nay sayer. I don't think ORourke even took it that way.[/QUOTE]I didn't.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1516627]From what I read, ORourke appears to be quite astute of realizing there are risks out there, seems to know that every chica doesn't respond to gifts the same.[/QUOTE]The only absolute is that there are no absolutes. In my mind, it's all about weighing different risks and probabilities. Some probabilities you can be relatively sure about (e. G, What happens if you agree to pay 1500 and then only pay 100? I am pretty confident she will be pissed.). Other things are not so clear, or vary to a greater extent from chica-to-chica (e. G, how will she respond to a gift?). Conversations like these are great because it provides alternative perspectives so you can adjust the probabilities you are working with accordingly. Or, if you think the person giving advice is full of shit, don't adjust your probabilities at all! It is completely up to you.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1516627]ORourke, if in any way I over stepped my bounds or appeared too expressive, I meant no harm, and did not intend to discount your abilities to protect your own interest. Other than that. I hope were all good?[/QUOTE]We're all good, brother. We are just a couple of guys with a couple opinions. Nothing to see here.

[QUOTE=Bimmy5;1516465]Is it open?[/QUOTE]For those of you on FB check out Cuba Dave's video posts. He does a pretty good job of reporting live from the scene. He went to Passions grand opening last night. I don't think they are running it the old way based on his reports. He also confirms that CMP is still closed.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1516666]Love to travel to some neighboring towns. What do you recommend, with a driver, cause I will not drive in the DR. Also, any towns with good accommodations, with good free wifi, good water and electricity? And of course, plenty of chicas with a small town attitude?[/QUOTE]I don't really know much about the towns I passed through. But I recall the few times that I traveled east on Route 5, I passed through several towns and saw chicas all over the place. I can't name them all. Gaspar Hernandez, Rio San Juan, Las Terranas, Samana. I'm drawing a blank on many others. For me, if I was exploring with a buddy, I think it would be best to also have a Spanish speaking wingman come along. But I'll be driving my rental. In your case, you will have to find a driver that can take you to these towns. Sounds like you might need a wingman that speaks Spanish too. Maybe your driver can fit the bill for both roles?

The thing I think is important is not set ones expectations too high. Meaning, when you go into these towns the local chicas may or may not be very receptive. You'll have to brave going into some local establishments or hole in the wall places where locals congregate. You may have to set out to explore a few times to see as much as you can. If nothing really exciting jumps out at you, at least you are getting an idea of whats out there. If you do happen to meet some prospects, your challenge then is how to follow through. Will you stay in that town? Are there cabanas / hotels there where you will be comfortable? Or will the chica expect you to come to her house? You may find yourself in a very uncomfortable situation when you are subject directly to super modest living conditions. Will you be prepared for staying overnight in her town? Or will you try to get her to come back with you, or travel to see you later?

And then, what do you do with your driver and wingman if you find somebody you want to spend time with and stay there?

[QUOTE=Haven123;1516666]Love to travel to some neighboring towns. What do you recommend, with a driver, cause I will not drive in the DR. Also, any towns with good accommodations, with good free wifi, good water and electricity? And of course, plenty of chicas with a small town attitude?[/QUOTE]BTW closer options may be the few towns immediately west of Sosua. Like Los Castillo, La Union, another that starts with an M, and a few others. Chicas met here may be more receptive and willing to come back to your spot (PP, Sosua etc ).

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1516690]BTW closer options may be the few towns immediately west of Sosua. Like Los Castillo, La Union, another that starts with an M, and a few others. Chicas met here may be more receptive and willing to come back to your spot (PP, Sosua etc ).[/QUOTE]Thanks! Appreciate your suggestions.

What's up all! Enjoying my last five days. Almost time to return to reality. I had good luck with the chicas. Lots of fun with the bartenders, knocked off a couple of new ones. Yesterday I went to Santiago for a baseball games with some buddies. Good time! Good baseball, nice stadium. Wasn't packed but got to see some Santiago cuties. Next time we'll stay the night and hang out. Also, Passions has reopened. Went in around 1:30 last night. A couple of cuties, apparently the rest were gone. I didn't inquire about the prices, maybe I'll reinvestigate tonight.

[QUOTE=Brother P;1516717]What's up all! Enjoying my last five days. Almost time to return to reality. I had good luck with the chicas. Lots of fun with the bartenders, knocked off a couple of new ones. Yesterday I went to Santiago for a baseball games with some buddies. Good time! Good baseball, nice stadium. Wasn't packed but got to see some Santiago cuties. Next time we'll stay the night and hang out. Also, Passions has reopened. Went in around 1:30 last night. A couple of cuties, apparently the rest were gone. I didn't inquire about the prices, maybe I'll reinvestigate tonight.[/QUOTE]Sounds like your trip went well, plus you enjoyed yourself away from Sosua. BTW, how did you get to Santiago? Your own transpo, or public transpo?

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1516733]Sounds like your trip went well, plus you enjoyed yourself away from Sosua. BTW, how did you get to Santiago? Your own transpo, or public transpo?[/QUOTE]We chipped in and hired a driver who has a van. It was $100 total, round trip, split five ways. Plus we paid his way into the game. Most of the guys who went live here. They've got a system! We had a cooler with beer and rum. Hot dogs at the stadium were 40 pesos, a can of beer was 60. We bought two bottles of rum. I forget how much, but they only sell bottles. Good times!

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1516690]another that starts with an M, and a few others.[/QUOTE]Order of towns heading west is: Los Charamicos (actually a part of Sosua) , Sosua Abajo (ditto), La Union, Cangrejos, and Montellano. There are no other towns before Puerto Plata. There are also a few hamlets and bateys off the main road, probably better visited with a moto than a car. If you want to see a bit of local life in all its squalor, do drop in and buy the locals a few beers. But if you are hoping to find fresh and cheap talent you would probably be wasting your time. Anyone remotely interested in flogging their ass will already be aware of Sosua and will have an optimistic concept of prices. For a chica hunt you would be better off looking in Puerto Plata where you have much greater population concentrated within a smaller area. Spanish is a must in all these places.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1516690]Chicas met here may be more receptive and willing to come back to your spot (PP, Sosua etc ).[/QUOTE]Very true. Although many of the chicas one meets in Sosua are blase about travelling round the country, most of the population of these small towns rarely go anywhere. For a non-hardcore chica to travel from (say) San Juan to Sosua would be a great and perhaps frightening adventure, especially in the hands of a strange gringo.

What about the massage parlours in Sosua? Any recommendations?

I mean both regarding the quality of the massage and the quality of the happy ending?

Do they provide full service?

Thanks

[QUOTE=ORourke86; 1516672]I think you are right in saying it is not so much of an incentive. You should not expect a lower cash price (or even better service) when you are handing over a gift. Do it for yourself or don't do it. Large in-kind payments that some guys (not me!) make during an extended stay might reduce your bill somewhat, but probably not dollar-for-dollar. Even then, you'd be well served to assume none of that counts toward the bill unless you discuss it with her in advance.

I'm less inclined to believe it "sets a positive vibe" and therefore makes it more likely you'll have a positive experience. Perhaps. But, in my experience, it is pretty easy to set a positive vibe with these girls. So I can't see the gifts doing much more on that front.

With that said, it seems reasonable to me that some girls do appreciate the gifts (though perhaps not as much as cash value). They ask if I have anymore for a sister or a friend. I always say "Solo para ti, mi amor!"[/QUOTE]The business is what it is. Can one expect professionalism out of uneducated, socially downtrodden people of Sosua and in many third world countries (if you are visiting say Germany or Australia where the business is legal, it might be different but your experience may very well be mechanical as well).

I visit for short stays. Almost never visiting Sosua so my experience might be radically different but, in my experience, a gift while definitely not necessary, is a part of the overall treatment of another person. I distinctly remember that during my first visit to Sosua / DR, in 2011, the women visiting me were pleasantly surprised since they did not expect such a gesture. Personally, I do not count beans: gift, price of meal or the actual cash payment. What I and I suspect many, are looking for, are genuine experiences and the DR has been a pleasant discovery for me. Even though as you had stated earlier, most are make-believe games. Enough said!

I have just been to Passion's. And I understand to some extent why Cubadave is so excited about it. The girls were really nice with a good attitude, better than the average girl at the strip.

The place was far from full but there were enough guests to create a good atmosphere. I understand what Cubadave means on his FB page when he says they keep a "low key" or something like that. But it's a funny way to put it when you talk about a brothel that actually sells sex. But yes, there was no nudity in public. Some girl made some symbolic moves around the pole but there was no striptease.

Anyway, I took a girl to a room for an hour and got the best sex for a long time with a working girl. We had an amuzing conversation and she was active in bed. She did not just lie on her back waiting for me to do the job. The BBBJ was fine. She used her techiques to make the sex last for a quite long time. It took some time for me to come but just enough to make it enjoyable.

[QUOTE=Bellpepper; 1516917]I have just been to Passion's. And I understand to some extent why Cubadave is so excited about it. The girls were really nice with a good attitude, better than the average girl at the strip.

The place was far from full but there were enough guests to create a good atmosphere. I understand what Cubadave means on his FB page when he says they keep a "low key" or something like that. But it's a funny way to put it when you talk about a brothel that actually sells sex. But yes, there was no nudity in public. Some girl made some symbolic moves around the pole but there was no striptease.

Anyway, I took a girl to a room for an hour and got the best sex for a long time with a working girl. We had an amuzing conversation and she was active in bed. She did not just lie on her back waiting for me to do the job. The BBBJ was fine. She used her techiques to make the sex last for a quite long time. It took some time for me to come but just enough to make it enjoyable.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. Few questions. Were the prices the same? How many girls working? New talent or the same girls came back? Thanks

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1516921]Thanks for the report. Few questions. Were the prices the same? How many girls working? New talent or the same girls came back? Thanks[/QUOTE]This is my first visit to Sosua so I don't know the "old" girls and the old prices. But the girl I had sex with was new.

One hour in a room costs 2500 pesos. If you want to take the girl out from the place it costs 3500 pesos (I did not ask for how long time because I was not interested in this option).

A Presidente costs 120 pesos (but I assume that your question was not about the beer).

I think it was 15-20 girls there.

It's 3:06 in the am in Sosua and I just woke up I have a cold Presedente in my hand and I am putting on my clothes to go to the after hours. I need to take my tail back to sleep but, I really need to check out the late night talent. Wish me luck!

If i do crack myself one, it's off to Dulce Secreto. That always helps so, I dont have to watch and make sure she is running off with my stuff. Couldn't get a room at the safest place, Perla de Sosua because, they are full. Damn! Damn! Damn! But I will be in there Super Bowl.

Shout out to Sosua James! The Big Homie!

Just got this email from a highly experienced Thailand / AC monger that was with my team at BB's for a few days before heading out on his own for a few more days exploring in Sosua. Note to Jackson: Sorry about his frequent use of the "W" word. I know you don't like that. Geo.

Hope you guys got back ok. Here in the DR things are splendid, although, I do yearn for the warm embrace of Thailand. I say that because the women I have met in Sosua and Cabarete for the most part acted more like money hungry crack working girls than residents of a splendid service community. My first few days spent in Sosua were an exercise in logistics trying to figure out where to go and here is what I have discovered:

1. The best place to pick up is on the beach or while chilling over a drink on the main street.

A. Generally this should be done during the day from around 12ish to 5ish.

B. Always negotiate rate when picking up on the beach (I actually had my best experience on the beach although it was somewhat soured when I made the rookie mistake of not negotiating beforehand. The end result was the working girl asking for 4000 (can you believe it?). We settled on 2000 (which I paid in order to quell a growing headache and to reward a truly rewarding fuck). This was before I realized that Passions had reopened as "The Jungle" (with some of the best grilled wings and bar service at the place right next door). I went into the Jungle and found it pleasant and not really busy. It was Jan 7 and the place must have just reopened as I walked by a few days ago and it was closed. Anyway, had a Reanha look-alight with long back hair shaking her ass in front of me and realized I was a no-go (prob because I popped some V before the beach girl and was spent, although, was also sick of feeling like I was continually getting plaid). Anyway, she said the price was 2500 for an hour including a room and then quoted me 3000 if she came to my room in the morning before I left (the working girl).

2. The first girl in Sosua was a clock-watching dirty working girl who promissed to be so much more. But, I made the mistake of picking her up in one of the big dance places later in the night and paid the price. She actually called me an "animal" when I tried to fuck her for real (this from just wanting to bang her like any other chick). I'll call her the "porcelain working girl" from here on out.

A. The main clubs are loud and don't seem to have the same talent, although, there were a couple of little spinner Haitians that I didn't partake in.

3. On the day I left for Cabarete I had a delightful BJ experience with a girl working out of Hotel Cayena who drained me like a pro sans the deep throat.

4. Cabarate is more of a family joint although, there is play to be had.

A. At night the best place is probably one of the beach bars that I forget the name of (just look for the few single domincan working girls hanging out and you'll know it). The only draw back is the loud shitty music and the fact that the chick I picked up was another clock watching working girl who complained a bit that I wasn't a two pump chump (same girl also immediately requested I buy her a drink when I went back to the place to search out other options the next night).

B. There is also another upstairs place on the other side of the street from the beach called "Arriba" that has a few but, they are HARD looking and dark.

5. Two other places in Cabarete seem to be the "massage" places that have a diamond hanging out every once in a while (although, I did not get a chance to look into them) and a little working girl house down the alley to the left of the Arriba. Down there is a shack with 6 or so rooms with working girls in each. Only one (a tall skinny chick) seemed worthwhile but she was bangin and a willing fucker who accepted the local price of 1000 once I told her that my motoconcho driver "Daniel" said that was the price.

That about covers it: 2 lousy lays and 2 great fucks and a blow job in 5 days. Kind of sad and definitely no Thailand!

A. At night the best place is probably one of the beach bars that I forget the name of (just look for the few single domincan working girls hanging out and you'll know it). The only draw back is the loud shitty music and the fact that the chick I picked up was another clock watching working girl who complained a bit that I wasn't a two pump chump (same girl also immediately requested I buy her a drink when I went back to the place to search out other options the next night).

B. There is also another upstairs place on the other side of the street from the beach called "Arriba" that has a few but, they are hard looking and dark.

Could you please elaborate as to where these bars are located on the beach, how far the main entrance, etc. Were there other foreigners in these bars or just Dominicans, etc.

[QUOTE=Bellpepper;1516927]One hour in a room costs 2500 pesos. If you want to take the girl out from the place it costs 3500 pesos (I did not ask for how long time because I was not interested in this option).[/QUOTE]So about $60 hour in a casa and $81 to take a girl out.

[QUOTE=Bellpepper; 1516799]What about the massage parlours in Sosua? Any recommendations?

I mean both regarding the quality of the massage and the quality of the happy ending?

Do they provide full service?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Evidently I had to find out myself. And the answer is yes.

[QUOTE=Bellpepper;1517246]Evidently I had to find out myself. And the answer is yes.[/QUOTE]So what did you find out.

Your in Sosua every female in the place is selling pussy.

[QUOTE=Bellpepper;1517246]Evidently I had to find out myself. And the answer is yes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500; 1517213]A. At night the best place is probably one of the beach bars that I forget the name of (just look for the few single domincan working girls hanging out and you'll know it). The only draw back is the loud shitty music and the fact that the chick I picked up was another clock watching working girl who complained a bit that I wasn't a two pump chump (same girl also immediately requested I buy her a drink when I went back to the place to search out other options the next night).

B. There is also another upstairs place on the other side of the street from the beach called "Arriba" that has a few but, they are hard looking and dark.

Could you please elaborate as to where these bars are located on the beach, how far the main entrance, etc. Were there other foreigners in these bars or just Dominicans, etc.[/QUOTE]He is talking about Cabarete

[QUOTE=Llttf;1517258]He is talking about Cabarete[/QUOTE]Yes, the 2nd half of his post that you've included was in Cabarete. The first half of his post was all Sosua. I was aware of his plans having talked it over with him at BB's where my wingmen and I gave him plenty of suggestions and overall told him why we are so fucking sick of Sosua's bullshit. He was warned and naturally had to experience the pain firsthand.

I enjoy Sosua 's and.

Ight life literally hundreds of willing young women. I have banged about 30 there and have had very few issues. I have found girls who are relatively new to the game to season pros. Most of them provide excellent service if you tee them up properly. I enjoy dancing and socializing with the girls a well. I work a stable of non pros but enjoy a bit of sport fucking. Sosua affords me a chance to fulfill my fantacies of many different types of young pretty girls.

[QUOTE=Geolopes;1517263]Yes, the 2nd half of his post that you've included was in Cabarete. The first half of his post was all Sosua. I was aware of his plans having talked it over with him at BB's where my wingmen and I gave him plenty of suggestions and overall told him why we are so fucking sick of Sosua's bullshit. He was warned and naturally had to experience the pain firsthand.[/QUOTE]

I can see that the snippy, smug, and antagonistic vibe still resonates in here. Even after a year plus the same usual suspects continue to ruin a once witty and informative forum with their rude and pompous treatment of newbies and legit info-seekers. I apologize to you newbies who never got to see a truely informative forum, and a place that all were treated with respect and brotherly comradery. Unfortunately I see alot of the same idiots who ruined Sosua and this forum still boasting about screwing 3rd world prostitutes as if it were actually an achievement, and are incapable of just pointing you in the right fucken direction because this somehow empowers them. This of course is not directed at everyone, and there is still some class acts to be found here who are willing to help and do it for genuine reasons. The rest of you dickheads know who you are, so just STFU.

Azazel

[QUOTE=Azazel42; 1517300]. I apologize to you newbies who never got to see a truely informative forum, and a place that all were treated with respect and brotherly comradery. Unfortunately I see alot of the same idiots who ruined Sosua and this forum still boasting about screwing 3rd world prostitutes as if it were actually an achievement, and are incapable of just pointing you in the right fucken direction because this somehow empowers them. This of course is not directed at everyone, and there is still some class acts to be found here who are willing to help and do it for genuine reasons.

Azazel[/QUOTE]Yes, it's a little peculiar when people boost about buying sex.

I think this is just fucking fascinating. 2 seemingly experienced mongers looking at the exact same 10 square blocks with 2 completely opposing views. Neither right or wrong as they are only opinions, just completely different!

[QUOTE=OldKool; 1517293]I enjoy Sosua 's and.

Ight life literally hundreds of willing young women.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Geolopes;1517263]I gave him plenty of suggestions and overall told him why we are so fucking sick of Sosua's bullshit. He was warned and naturally had to experience the pain firsthand.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1517608]I think this is just fucking fascinating. 2 seemingly experienced mongers looking at the exact same 10 square blocks with 2 completely opposing views. Neither right or wrong as they are only opinions, just completely different![/QUOTE][QUOTE=Geolopes;1517180]Just got this email from a highly experienced Thailand / AC monger that was with my team at BB's for a few days before heading out on his own for a few more days exploring in Sosua...Here in the DR things are splendid, although, I do yearn for the warm embrace of Thailand. I say that because the women I have met in Sosua and Cabarete for the most part acted more like money hungry crack working girls than residents of a splendid service community.[/QUOTE]The difference may be as you said, in experience. If Sosua and/or DR is the only place you know then it may reign supreme to you. But if you have other things to compare it to (besides back home) then that could account for the difference of opinion. As you may have noticed, when many people talk bad about it they are many times comparing it to other places they have been (Medellin, Rio, etc.) It's more of a case of one monger's idea that it's better than home/nothing, and another monger's idea that it's shit or subpar compared to other mongering destinations they have been to.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1517668]The difference may be as you said, in experience. If Sosua and/or DR is the only place you know then it may reign supreme to you. But if you have other things to compare it to (besides back home) then that could account for the difference of opinion.[/QUOTE]That's exactly what I was thinking. There is no replacement for experience. And, you can't miss what you never had. Hamburgers might be the greatest thing in the world, until you have some filet mignon.

I have not been to Rio or Thailand. I am not drown because the DR meets my needs. I prefer black malutto women with full asses. That is not common in Thailand. Now brazille is the capital of those two things but the cost is more then twice that of the DR and I do not speak Portugisse. The DR is cheap. Close and convenient. I acknowledge that there are better locals for somethings but for me the DR is an awesome option. I am paying $1100 for 6 days of bliss. I am a bit of a tight wad so the idea of getting good inexpensive pussy makes the deal that much sweeter. It is a choice. I choose to seriously enjoy the DR especially Sosua. By itself sure it can get old after 3 days but in consortium with other locals in the DR it is priceless. Downing Sosua to me is like being mad at a girl for not drinking all your leche. Hey she made you come.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1517678]That's exactly what I was thinking. There is no replacement for experience. And, you can't miss what you never had. Hamburgers might be the greatest thing in the world, until you have some filet mignon.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1517718]The DR is cheap. Close and convenient. I acknowledge that there are better locals for somethings but for me the DR is an awesome option.[/QUOTE]Nothing wrong with that! Not many people find what they are looking for.

ok i read the last few posts and then i was like i am done! seriously though, it is as everyone says, it's a matter of opinion. i have been gone for a while getting the adult entertainment company going. since i had to shut down a few years ago. some may remember me. some may be new, doesn't matter either way, i'm back and still talkin shit like i always do!

dr is the armpit of south america. if you haven't been anywhere else, that's your loss. women in dr are too dumb to know how to act like they have any essence or elegance about themselves, they will rob you without thinking twice about it, and i want some fuckin elegance and class in my life even if its just pussy! the same crack head ass bitches in dr are similar to me to the ones in the hood. we call them hoodrats! some are better than others but, dr doesn't compare to brazil, costa rica, columbia, thailand, philippines, italy, spain or any of the other places i am putting mansions and having the girls throw parties every month in. i don't mind dr bc i lived there for so long and i have roots there, but as far as women. that's not my first choice and it's closer to my last bc although i love pussy. i don't have to pay for it, so i am picky and if i do pay for it. i'm probably not fuckin the girls in sosua or puerta plata or cabarete at the clubs too much. there is some diamonds in the rough but for the most part. i take my ass to brazil and party like a rock star because i don't care about spending money on women. i love to spoil them, i have daughters and i believe in treating women good and spoiling them no matter what they decide to do for work. judging them isn't part of my make up.

i have the baddest bitches in the universe. not many of them are from dr. lol. they love to party and fuck and hang with cool ass peeps that pay them too. hahahaha we throwin the next tpc party in vegas. and i be in dr fuckin a few of my bad bitches there in a couple weeks. #team_tpc #the_platinum_caslte #thepurrfectcreation!

if you go to the site you will see all these women on there, planning, fuckin, camming, partying and inviting everyone they can to come and party with them in the mansions. last pick is the mansion in hollywood hills that we had a party at. we doing it big. for a little bit of money. tru story. see you on the dark side. because we don't like the light!

Too funny. Lmao, good shit man. I am not quite sure if I am a class act or not and I am not sure if I truly give a fuck, but your post is funny as shit man, good shit! To all the newbies. Just have fun and don't take this shit too seriously. It's only pussy! There are all types of personalities and mentalities out there that may not be on the same level as yours so if you run into one of the idiots that Azazel is talking about. Just keep it pushin and find a reliable source and keep them!

[QUOTE=Azazel42; 1517300]I can see that the snippy, smug, and antagonistic vibe still resonates in here. Even after a year plus the same usual suspects continue to ruin a once witty and informative forum with their rude and pompous treatment of newbies and legit info-seekers. I apologize to you newbies who never got to see a truely informative forum, and a place that all were treated with respect and brotherly comradery. Unfortunately I see alot of the same idiots who ruined Sosua and this forum still boasting about screwing 3rd world prostitutes as if it were actually an achievement, and are incapable of just pointing you in the right fucken direction because this somehow empowers them. This of course is not directed at everyone, and there is still some class acts to be found here who are willing to help and do it for genuine reasons. The rest of you dickheads know who you are, so just STFU.

Azazel[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PlatinumCastle;1517995]DR is the armpit of South America. Women in DR are too dumb to know how to act.[/QUOTE]That may or may not be true but surely they're smarter than the idiot who moved their country to South America.

[QUOTE=PlatinumCastle; 1517995]DR is the armpit of South America.

DR doesn't compare to Brazil, Costa Rica, Columbia, Thailand, Philippines, Italy, Spain or any of the other places I am putting Mansions and having the girls throw parties every month in.[/QUOTE]FYI Sir, The Dominican Republic is not in South America and it's spelled ColOmbia, not Columbia.

[quote=platinumcastle; 1517995]ok i read the last few posts and then i was like i am done! seriously though, it is as everyone says, it's a matter of opinion. i have been gone for a while getting the adult entertainment company going. since i had to shut down a few years ago. some may remember me. some may be new, doesn't matter either way, i'm back and still talkin shit like i always do!

dr is the armpit of south america. if you haven't been anywhere else, that's your loss. women in dr are too dumb to know how to act like they have any essence or elegance about themselves, they will rob you without thinking twice about it, and i want some fuckin elegance and class in my life even if its just pussy! the same crack head ass bitches in dr are similar to me to the ones in the hood. we call them hoodrats! some are better than others but, dr doesn't compare to brazil, costa rica, columbia, thailand, philippines, italy, spain or any of the other places i am putting mansions and having the girls throw parties every month in. i don't mind dr bc i lived there for so long and i have roots there, but as far as women. that's not my first choice and it's closer to my last bc although i love pussy. i don't have to pay for it, so i am picky and if i do pay for it. i'm probably not fuckin the girls in sosua or puerta plata or cabarete at the clubs too much. there is some diamonds in the rough but for the most part. i take my ass to brazil and party like a rock star because i don't care about spending money on women. i love to spoil them, i have daughters and i believe in treating women good and spoiling them no matter what they decide to do for work. judging them isn't part of my make up.

i have the baddest bitches in the universe. not many of them are from dr. lol. they love to party and fuck and hang with cool ass peeps that pay them too. hahahaha we throwin the next tpc party in vegas. and i be in dr fuckin a few of my bad bitches there in a couple weeks. #team_tpc #the_platinum_caslte #thepurrfectcreation![/quote]how does a person know if they're in the company of a self-promoting bs artist? start with the definitive word,"i." then count the number of times "i" is stated. once that's complete, focus your attention on the contradictions therein. contradictions like,". same crack head ass bitches in dr are similar to the ones in the hood. we call them hoodrats," versus."i believe in treating women good and spoiling them no matter what they decide to do for work. judging them isn't part of my make up." once you notice the back forth reasoning of an unsound mind you'll begin to notice a pattern. that pattern is called desperate insecurity. it's when the person decides that your activities, decisions and choices are just ok but his activities, decisions and choices are far superior to yours even if you derive benefit and satisfaction from them. the insecure mind cannot accept the "other" absent his own input and guidance. my advice is to avoid castles, especially platinum ones.

pura vida gentlemen. pura vida!

[QUOTE=PlatinumCastle;1517997]Too funny. Lmao, good shit man. I am not quite sure if I am a class act or not and I am not sure if I truly give a fuck, but your post is funny as shit man, good shit! To all the newbies. Just have fun and don't take this shit too seriously. It's only pussy! There are all types of personalities and mentalities out there that may not be on the same level as yours so if you run into one of the idiots that Azazel is talking about. Just keep it pushin and find a reliable source and keep them![/QUOTE]Yes bro. That's it, it's just pussy. There's plenty of it to go around for everybody guys. These fools try to make this shit some Spanish novela. I don't give a fuck about some puta's kid's birthday party or the rest of your captain Save-a-Hoe story fuckers, just give me a legible account of the trip high points; tell me how much shit cost you, names of venues and their location with an occassional landmark is helpful, and if you post some pics of the noteworthy pussy you banged then you've completed the cycle.

Went to the opening night for the brazilian themed club next to passions. Some hot bartenders, but I didn't like the vibe. About 20 mins later cop cars started pulling up to Passions. We all started asking for vaso de plastico. Me and my drink got out of there! Not sure why it was raided. I had run into Cubadave earlier in the day. He said it might night be open long.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1516795]For a chica hunt you would be better off looking in Puerto Plata where you have much greater population concentrated within a smaller area. Spanish is a must in all these places.[/QUOTE]About Puerto Plata. Almost every visit to the La Sirena store on the malecon there are usually dozens of beautiful chicas / women shopping or working in that store. Aside from shopping, many chicas also come there to have lunch in the cafeteria upstairs. Most times they don't seem to make much eye contact like many of us are accustomed to when in Sosua, and seem quite focused on what they are there for. In Sosua, a dude who speaks some spanish can get by very easily. The chicas will work with a guy when he attempts to communicate, even when using a translator.

I would want to pursue some of the women I see in La Sirena, but sense they arent going to be as patient with a non fluent spanish speaking foreigner as a typical working girl. If I at least got more eye contact from them, I'd easily take it from there. But most I've seen in the store seem only focused on shopping / working / having lunch. I suppose talking to a foreigner publically can be perceived negatively within the PP community? Often times I see chicas from Sosua in La Sirena, and they are usually receptive or they'll at least acknowledge you. But I guess one should expect different with non pros?

I wonder if speaking fluent spanish is enough, especially when they know you arent dominican or figure you don't live there? Or perhaps it's somewhat embarrassing for some women to be "picked up" in public? Of course many are married or have boyfriends, so that could be the biggest factor? The other thing. With all of the women walking around in La Sirena, I never see dominican men trying to talk to or pick up women in the store. The most I see are dominican men staring at them when they go in or come out the store. And if they say anything it's usually just a cute remark, but not a serious attempt to strike up a convo or to meet them. They seem to be content with simply staring at women.

[QUOTE=Brother P;1518237]Went to the opening night for the brazilian themed club next to passions. Some hot bartenders, but I didn't like the vibe. About 20 mins later cop cars started pulling up to Passions. We all started asking for vaso de plastico. Me and my drink got out of there! Not sure why it was raided. I had run into Cubadave earlier in the day. He said it might night be open long.[/QUOTE]"Grand Opening","Grand Closing", lmao!

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1518018]FYI Sir, The Dominican Republic is not in South America and it's spelled ColOmbia, not Columbia.[/QUOTE]Thanks Manizales. Who the fuck is this Platinum guy to show up on here invalidating our trip reports on this thread. We try to share good intel with members and we really don't need this garbage from the so-called "Castle." Dude, bring something of value to this thread other than telling us how superior you are. Sorry to hear about the "shut down" of the Castle. What happened there? I just got back from the DR with a dozen kills at BB's and FOD in 6 nights for less than $2G room / meals / drinks / etc included. I even came back with 9, 000 pesos and $400 USD unspent. For the record I despise all of these price gouging AI's pretending to "operate" out of rented quarters with their glammy websites promising hot chicas that aren't any better than the local talent one can find anywhere in the DR. Fucking ridiculous.

Word on the street is the National Police follow CubaDave on Youtube and Facebook, LOL.

[url]http://www.sosuanews.com/index.php[/url]

Both pieces are from today's Sosua News:

Only for a week the customers of La Passion could enjoy the ambience. Friday, January 10 at the end of the afternoon the club was visited by some officers and a commander of the National Police. The commander thought that not everything was conform legislation.

So La Passion was again closed indefinitely. Luckily no one was arrested. Hopefully the owner Peter can resolve the problem and open the doors again of La Passion.

* *

Last Sunday, Peter, the owner of the nightclub 'La Passion' reopened the doors after months of forced closure.

To not provoke anyone the re-opening happened in silence. The atmosphere and decor of the nightclub is transformed into Brazilian style. Very surprising. A visit to this well-appointed establishment is very rewarding. The nightclub CMC still remains closed. The owners are apparently still in a legal battle with government authorities. The completely refurbished Seacrets bar and nightclub, now called 'City Light', will be opened again during the Super Bowl (early February). At the City Lights bar this very popular sports event can be seen on large screens.

On my way home after a three wk trip in Sosua. I could do three more if I had the time! But duty, otherwise known as the J. O. B calls.

As far as the chicas go I had a great trip! No duds. I'm learning how to chat chicas up, if I don't feel the energy I keep moving. I did one new girl from D latins. A sexy Haitiana, I did her 3 more times. One hot light skinned dominicana from Santiago from rumbas. A good performer, a little older at 29. One hot flaca I meet on the street, good sex but a little mechanical. Plus the girl from San Francisco when she came back to Sosua. She was worth a repeat. After I came she romoved the condom and blew me! Wow! Porn star stuff! But she's a pro. As in a real hustler. I couldn't keep dealing with her. Other than that it was all former contacts and bartenders. The bartenders are a bit Of work, but worth it in my opinion. I've grown tired of the tiger sharks in Dlatins. I barely went there this trip. With the bartenders you get a little interaction with the sex, as opposed to a hard core pro who wants to finish you off and run back to Dlatins. I enjoyed it. Spanish and a little dancing helps. Get those meringue and bachata lessons fellas! The bartenders are getting got. I've seen it.

I kept the cost down to about $100 a day. Eating cheap at Ollie's, Ricky's, comedor economico, the fish store in charimicos across from caribe tours, the little spot next to Four roses, etc.

I stuck to my guns on 1500 for short time. If I wanted TLN I called a contact and offered 2 mil. I gave one favorite 3 mil. I got some cool amigas. Not 10s but not 5s either. Most 7 s and 8s. You can have fun and get laid in the DR for cheap. You don't have to spend a lot of money. But some guys like to "ball". I mostly did one girl a day.

I know a lot of expats, and I know a lot of regular visitors like myself. So I always had guys to hang with. I like Sosua. I like the beach, I like that I can walk everywhere, I like the comradarie with fellow expats and travelers. I did good this trip, I ran almost everyday, and drank a little less. A little. Sosua can burn you out if you don't pace yourself.

As I said I wish I could stay! But I'll be back in 6 wks! Life is good! Have fun out there!

[QUOTE=PlatinumCastle;1517995]DR is the armpit of South America. ![/QUOTE]I think you mean Latin America? [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_America[/url]

[quote=Wrx2005; 1518252]About Puerto Plata. Almost every visit to the La Sirena store on the malecon there are usually dozens of beautiful chicas / women shopping or working in that store. Aside from shopping, many chicas also come there to have lunch in the cafeteria upstairs. Most times they don't seem to make much eye contact like many of us are accustomed to when in Sosua, and seem quite focused on what they are there for. In Sosua, a dude who speaks some spanish can get by very easily. The chicas will work with a guy when he attempts to communicate, even when using a translator.

I would want to pursue some of the women I see in La Sirena, but sense they arent going to be as patient with a non fluent spanish speaking foreigner as a typical working girl. If I at least got more eye contact from them, I'd easily take it from there.

I wonder if speaking fluent spanish is enough, especially when they know you arent dominican or figure you don't live there? [/quote]Speaking fluent Spanish is way more than enough. Assuming that you are not to ugly or obese and can speak some Spanish, you have nothing to lose by saying hello to women, and if they respond ask them what there doing etc. I think there are a lot of women in Puerto Plata open to meeting foreigners with money to spend on them and take them out, etc. Another source is through the Cupid Dating site but you need to have the time and patience to correspond. I hooked up with four girls thru this Site on my last trip and have three more lined up for my next trip in February. All of these girls live in the Puerto Plata area.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1519078]Speaking fluent Spanish is way more than enough.[/QUOTE]My boy is a blue eyed, blonde hair Cuban that lives in Miami. When I took him to the DR and girls heard him speak and his accent, they would stop dead in their tracks because they weren't used to seeing a guy that looked like him speak Spanish, let alone better than they do. He now has a girlfriend in Santiago, but it is always a trip watching how people in the DR react to him. His girl in Santiago is easily a 9 in looks.

I've dated girls in POP for years and would take them to places like the discos in Playa Dorada or invite them and their friends to come over and swim in the pool at Casa Linda, but I'm not in the DR enough to establish anything really substantive with them. Communication is definitely a key like it would be in any situation, especially if you don't want to come off as just a another horny Gringo who's just looking for a short-term piece of ass.

On the other hand, there are some that will roll with a Gringo that struggles with Spanish because some girls don't have much going on in their lives and a Gringo presents the promise of something different, if you want to play that role (could lead to a Western Union novio status if that is your thing). Being there often definitely helps that cause.

I got a friend that has been living in Sosua for over a year now. He is an Afro-American that spoke no Spanish, but his Spanish has improved some by living in Sosua. He has a steady girlfriend now, and I think she is even pregnant with his child. The last time I was in POP, I was hanging out with them and her ex and baby of her current child came into the pool hall where we were hanging out. The girl felt uncomfortable and wanted to leave. My friend didn't want to leave though because he was on some macho thing. We eventually left and the girl's friend told me that my friend's girl was taking some heat from her ex and baby's daddy, who was calling her a puta for dating a Gringo and she didn't want her ex and my friend to get into any kind of scuffle, especially since we were off the beaten path in their hood and every one in the pool hall knew the ex. Although this is a unique story, I share it only to point out that many of the girls have a history if they look good so you have to be prepared to deal with whatever. If you are on a short vacation, you may not want to deal with any drama. If you are there long-term, you might get used to the drama and roll with it like my friend in Sosua. POP and especially Sosua isn't that big. I have been fortunate to not have ever had that kind of drama with a girl's ex or anything like that, but I weed that stuff out very quickly and keep it movin and I am not there long enough for it to be a real issue. My friend's girl is a 7 or maybe an 8 in looks to some, with 1 kid, which isn't bad for a Gringo with limited Dominican Spanish living in Sosua.

[quote=Orgasmico; 1519328]On the other hand, there are some that will roll with a Gringo that struggles with Spanish because some girls don't have much going on in their lives and a Gringo presents the promise of something different.[/quote]Exactly, there are plenty of girls in the DR who will go with a gringo that is semi-fluent in Spanish for this very reason. Additionally, a lot of these girls are non-pros so you can end up with some great experiences.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1519328]I've dated girls in POP for years and would take them to places like the discos in Playa Dorada or invite them and their friends to come over and swim in the pool at Casa Linda, but I'm not in the DR enough to establish anything really substantive with them. Communication is definitely a key like it would be in any situation, especially if you don't want to come off as just a another horny Gringo who's just looking for a short-term piece of ass.

On the other hand, there are some that will roll with a Gringo that struggles with Spanish because some girls don't have much going on in their lives and a Gringo presents the promise of something different, if you want to play that role (could lead to a Western Union novio status if that is your thing). Being there often definitely helps that cause.

I got a friend that has been living in Sosua for over a year now. He is an Afro-American that spoke no Spanish, but his Spanish has improved some by living in Sosua. He has a steady girlfriend now, and I think she is even pregnant with his child. Although this is a unique story, I share it only to point out that many of the girls have a history if they look good so you have to be prepared to deal with whatever. If you are on a short vacation, you may not want to deal with any drama. If you are there long-term, you might get used to the drama and roll with it like my friend in Sosua.[/QUOTE]In a nutshell, I would want to pursue women interested in going out on dates, but not necessarily looking for a serious relationship. Like you, I'm not there long enough to expect something substantive. Moreover, I value having variety at times, rather than being on lock down or exclusive. So pursuing an exclusive relationship is not an interest of mine.

Another consideration, is I want a working woman. Someone that is handling her business. But would appreciate some help, and not try to take advantage. This help is only when I am with her. But NO WU ever. Now when it comes to a womans history and her exes. I can see how that could be a significant factor as well. As a matter of fact, I expect her to have contact with men in her country, as well as dating other foreign men. If she can manage them all without involving me in any drama, I don't think that would be a problem. What I don't want is her having to lie to me. If everything is open and on the table, I could care less what or who she does when I'm not there. So my dilemma, isn't so much making contact with women in PP. The real issue is having all the pieces of my cake to enjoy. My gut tells me, I may get some things but not all. For instance. I might find a beautiful woman, but she may be interested only in a serious relationship, or she expects a man to assume a WU role, or she doesn't work at all. Maybe she's fine and all, but she comes with a shit load of baggage, or the woman can't accept an open and honest arrangement (she feels she has to lie to me.) , maybe she is uneducated and besides sex we have nothing in common. So my issue is, I may choose to search for women I want to hook up with, attempt to initiate something with them, only to find all of the things I want is almost impossible to achieve. After going through all of that, I'm certain I will resort back to feeling p4p is so much easier and hassle free.

What worked for me on my last trip was a combination of non-pros I met on the Dominican Cupid Dating Site and girls from the Strip. It was nice to have the variety as some nights it was something quick and dirty pulled from the Strip, or a sleepover with a dating site girl.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1519078]Speaking fluent Spanish is way more than enough. Assuming that you are not to ugly or obese and can speak some Spanish, you have nothing to lose by saying hello to women, and if they respond ask them what there doing etc. I think there are a lot of women in Puerto Plata open to meeting foreigners with money to spend on them and take them out, etc. Another source is through the Cupid Dating site but you need to have the time and patience to correspond. I hooked up with four girls thru this Site on my last trip and have three more lined up for my next trip in February. All of these girls live in the Puerto Plata area.[/QUOTE]Whether I meet them on Cupid or in person, I can see how one would need to have time and patience to correspond. Obviously, if we are in consistent contact, they will want to know when a guy is coming back again. For how long, and what his plans are. I would think, to not make time to see them, is like a slap in the face. Oft times, I may come back to the DR but have no interest in hooking up with those women on a particular trip. Or, maybe I would see them a day or two while there, but not to be exclusive with them my entire vacation. I can see how enough women would not want to deal with a guy who operates like that. And like I said previously, I don't like to have to resort to lying to these women about my plans when I come down there.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1519566]What worked for me on my last trip was a combination of non-pros I met on the Dominican Cupid Dating Site and girls from the Strip. It was nice to have the variety as some nights it was something quick and dirty pulled from the Strip, or a sleepover with a dating site girl.[/QUOTE]What are all of your dating site girls expectations before and after you've hooked up? Are they looking for a relationship or just to have a good time? Aside from the good times, are they also hoping you give them money for the time they spend with you? Will you now find yourself having to maintain correspondence with most of them even when you are back home?

My experience with Cupid is, most women want to maintain contact and correspond up until it's time for a dude to return. Most of that contact / correspondence is nothing more than saying hello every damn day, how are you, and eventually them telling you about the problems with them or family. There is no real exchange of communication. None I knew ever took time to really get to know a dude. And I don't think it would change much even if a dude was fluent with spanish. And then of course if they know when you are coming back they would expect you to want to see them again. But maybe you don't want to see them your next trip. Of course you arent obligated to, but it's one of those things a guy will have to deal with once he has a nice list of internet babes all expecting a dude to spend time with them.

Subconsciously, I think thats probably one reason I did not follow through with some of the DC contacts I had last December. I was quite content with the ones I met in Sosua last trip. And none were hardcore.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1519566]What worked for me on my last trip was a combination of non-pros I met on the Dominican Cupid Dating Site and girls from the Strip. It was nice to have the variety as some nights it was something quick and dirty pulled from the Strip, or a sleepover with a dating site girl.[/QUOTE]That sounds like a good balance. I did something similar with Amigos. Com back in the day. I haven't done the online thing in years because I meet so many girls just traveling around the island, but its a good way to set up some things in advance, especially if you don't have a lot of established contacts on the ground.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1519555]In a nutshell, I would want to pursue women interested in going out on dates, but not necessarily looking for a serious relationship. Another consideration, is I want a working woman. Someone that is handling her business.[/QUOTE]This sounds very doable if you put the time in. Between the online stuff and getting off of Pedro Clisante, you should be able to find this. There are a lot of chicas in the DR waiting for a caballero to take them out and show them a good time.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1519710]What are all of your dating site girls expectations before and after you've hooked up? Are they looking for a relationship or just to have a good time? Aside from the good times, are they also hoping you give them money for the time they spend with you? Will you now find yourself having to maintain correspondence with most of them even when you are back home?

My experience with Cupid is, most women want to maintain contact and correspond up until it's time for a dude to return. Most of that contact / correspondence is nothing more than saying hello every damn day, how are you, and eventually them telling you about the problems with them or family. There is no real exchange of communication. None I knew ever took time to really get to know a dude. And I don't think it would change much even if a dude was fluent with spanish. And then of course if they know when you are coming back they would expect you to want to see them again. But maybe you don't want to see them your next trip. Of course you arent obligated to, but it's one of those things a guy will have to deal with once he has a nice list of internet babes all expecting a dude to spend time with them.

Subconsciously, I think thats probably one reason I did not follow through with some of the DC contacts I had last December. I was quite content with the ones I met in Sosua last trip. And none were hardcore.[/QUOTE]I never go online with the intention of just looking for someone to pump and dump. If I want pussy then I know where to find it. I just mainly look for friends. I like meeting chicks online with the intentions of going new places and doing new things. 9 times out of 10 the girl is going to want to fuck anyway. I don't know how money keeps getting drug into conversations about normal DR women (or normal any nationality women for that matter). I don't understand why guys feel they must pay women who aren't hookers. I read a lot of reports where even if a guy offers money after and the woman turns it down, then he still sneaks it into her purse or something. You wouldn't do it with the women back home, so I don't understand why they would do it in a foreign country. Maybe it helps them not feel guilty that they had sex with the woman. Women are people too and like to fuck just like men. All of them are not hookers and in it for the money no matter how poor they are.

Of all the chicks I have met online since my first time in DR (2005 or so) only one has hinted about money or buying her things. That was days after we fucked. I cut her off. When something adverse does happen and they tell me about it they don't expect me to send money or solve the problem. They just want to let me know what is going on in their life. Just like last year when my girl's sister was in an accident and almost died. She sent pictures of her laid out and bloody in the car and pictures of her in the hospital bed with a broken arm. But she didn't say anything like send money because we need to pay the hospital bill the way I see it happening with a lot of guys here.

But what is wrong with keeping contact with friends? It's not like it costs anything these days. Damn near everyone has Whats App so you don't have to pay for overseas calls anymore. Just send a couple of messages back and forth. I don't find it a burden to communicate with people after I have met them. If you just want to fuck someone and put them on the back burner until you want to fuck them again, then I guess it would be best to deal with the P4P in Sosua and leave normal chicks out of the mix. I have gone to DR plenty of times and not had the chance to get together with chicks that I know. That is life. Nobody takes it personal. There will be a next time.

I liked something that Orgasmico posted in the Cali, Colombia thread the other day because it mirrors my trips wherever I go. I usually hang out with several normal women and a lot of time I don't even get a chance for hookers.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1515913]So my trip was a lot of fun. I was in Cali for 8 days. As far as mongering, I hit 2 cases. Dr. Amor had about 30 girls in all shapes, sizes, and colors. Definitely a flavor there for all. I hit another smaller casa, of which I don't remember the name but I had a great time. BBBJ and the whole nine. In fact, I almost thought she was going to try to slip it in raw dog when she was on top but thankfully she put the jimmy on without me asking her to, LOL

Besides that, I pretty much just hung out with regular babes I met in various locations and spent a Colombian New Years Eve with a girl I met and her family.[/QUOTE]Out of 8 days he only got a chance for P4P two times. And that was probably because he just couldn't bear leaving the place without finding out about the P4P. He already had his hands full with normal Colombian women.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1519586]Whether I meet them on Cupid or in person, I can see how one would need to have time and patience to correspond. Obviously, if we are in consistent contact, they will want to know when a guy is coming back again. For how long, and what his plans are. I would think, to not make time to see them, is like a slap in the face. Oft times, I may come back to the DR but have no interest in hooking up with those women on a particular trip. Or, maybe I would see them a day or two while there, but not to be exclusive with them my entire vacation. I can see how enough women would not want to deal with a guy who operates like that. And like I said previously, I don't like to have to resort to lying to these women about my plans when I come down there.[/QUOTE]You do need time and patience to correspond with these girls but it is a good way to work on your Spanish. I have not lied to a single women on the dating site. After contacting them I make it very clear that I am in Sosua on vacation. After corresponding a few times I further tell them I am not looking for a wife or a girlfriend. I make this very clear and tell them I can help them out and even pose a hypothetical scenario where if we have chemistry together, I inquire as to how much money they want for their time. I only ask this question when they have confirmed that they understand what's up and lot of them have said " no problemo". I found a really nice one when I was down in December and she has not asked me to send her any money and we exchange texts every few days. With her I made it very clear what was up when we were together and always treated her like a girl friend versus a Puta. I plan on spending more time with her on my next trip in February. I currently have two new ones lined up for my return and they fully understand what the program is. There are women in the DR that will be with a guy that is upfront with them from the beginning, treats them well, and have chemistry with you. If I click with some of the new ones I plan on meeting, I'm going to have to get creative as to how to manage my leche between them all. A good problem to have!

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1519771]I never go online with the intention of just looking for someone to pump and dump. If I want pussy then I know where to find it. I just mainly look for friends. I like meeting chicks online with the intentions of going new places and doing new things. 9 times out of 10 the girl is going to want to fuck anyway. I don't know how money keeps getting drug into conversations about normal DR women (or normal any nationality women for that matter). I don't understand why guys feel they must pay women who aren't hookers. I read a lot of reports where even if a guy offers money after and the woman turns it down, then he still sneaks it into her purse or something. You wouldn't do it with the women back home, so I don't understand why they would do it in a foreign country. Maybe it helps them not feel guilty that they had sex with the woman. Women are people too and like to fuck just like men. All of them are not hookers and in it for the money no matter how poor they are.[/QUOTE]E dealing with all types of women in the DR is definitely a YMMD issue. Certain factors pertaining to mongers abilities, needs, time contraints, and the type of women each connects with, are all factors that may yield different results for each monger.

"Normal" DR women can consist of all types of mentalities. The good, the bad and the ugly. Including women that expect a man to offer them money even if they don't ask. We all know the DR is primarily a male dominated society. So when it comes to women working, women in the DR arent exactly like the women in the states. We don't see DR women doing certain jobs like we see in abundance in the states. We don't see women owning and driving cars to the same degree like we do in the states. Men dominate certain jobs, that we seldom see DR women in those capacities. I don't believe DR women have welfare, or PA like in the states.

With that being said, it's not uncommon for DR women to have a greater propensity (than women in the states) to expect for men to take care of them. Not simply because they had sex, but because that typically is a mans role if he gets involved with a woman. Of course, DR culture has evolved a great deal where enough women have developed the "independent" mindset. But IMO the majority of women are normal women with modest incomes or no income at all. They will normally expect a man to provide support if he gets involved with her.

A good portion of the women guys encounter on the internet, the ones ready to have sex, they don't work, or have low paying jobs, or claim to be students. IMO when many guys offer money, it's not necessarily only to pay for sex. (although that is part of it ). The rest of it is simply looking at the womans circumstances, and realizing the woman really could use the money. This doesn't have to be about women. I know I have been aquainted with a few dominican men that were un or underemployed, and offered them something for their families. Obviously no fucking was involved, but I did it because it was a conscious decision based on me observing their circumstances. They were friends / aquaintances of mine.

However, many of these men as well as the women in the DR will initially refuse an offer because of pride, not because they don't want or need the offer. So when a dude slips money in a womans purse or forces some money into a dominican friends pocket / hand, it's done with the intent of letting them know it's okay. That they won't be judged.

Take women in the states. When women go out on dates, you get some who will offer to pay (their share, a tip or the whole bill) right. BUT, we all know most of them don't really want to pay. They are hoping the guy will say "no, I got it". Many dudes won't get a second date if he allows her to pay. IMO DR women are no different when it comes to their own expectations from men. Like AW, DR women may also expect a man to figure out what she needs, WITHOUT her having to ask for it. Just because a woman doesn't come right out and ask, doesn't mean she doesn't hope a man offers her help / assistance / gifts etc. Enough DR women sure drop enough hints. Guys know this. If they feel the need is legit, dudes usually respond accordingly. Now if that has never been certain guys experiences with DR women, I look at it as a case of YMMD.

I'm sure there are enough women who arent looking for a mans money, or needs the mans money. I think you shared an example or two of ladies you know. However these women seem to be the exception but not necessarily the rule of what many men are encountering on the regular in DR women. Especially with internet babes.

Enough DR women that have concerns of being offered money is mostly two fold. Not wanting to look like they need a handout, and their not wanting to be perceived as a puta for taking money from a man. So enough DR women have their own set of insecurities or cultural norms just as AW do in the states.

The way you may not get why some guys offer money to normal DR women, I am equally baffled to why enough guys offering money to unemployed or under employed women is sometimes perceived negatively or it's assumed it's only about paying the girl.

A lot of guys probably think that once you offer, you might open yourself up to a person who NOW looks for money / help / assistance / gifts from that point on. However, my belief is a large majority of women are always hoping or expecting a man to offer from day one. But they want the man to take the initiative. Once he initiates his 1st offer, thats when the women can take it from there. By directly asking for help / assistance, and sharing their problems. But it wasnt something that just popped in their heads after the 1st offer. The main problem with all of this is, most men probably do not want to be depended on, especially when they are not there. Mainly because more men have realized they arent the ONLY men these women are fucking nor are they the only men these women expect help$$$/assistance / gifts from. These are common issues in regards to dating outside of p4p (Sosua ).

I totally agree that in order to find certain types of women in the DR it takes time and patience. I get that. I realize that being fluent may make a world of difference in ones experience with normal women. I get that too. I get that it's okay to have friends you can keep in contact with on Whats app. IMO, when I really look at it. Most women I've met in the DR that I stay in contact with, the friendship is extremely different than the friendship I have with women friends I know in the states. The friendships built in the states is usually comprised of really having things in common, and really knowing them beyond just from discussing problems. These women really knowing who I am, and me knowing who they are. They know what I'm about, my family, I know the same etc. I don't see that level of friendship or connection happening with DR women. It's mostly very superficial. And therefore don't place that much value on staying in contact with them simply because we have a social medium.

Don't get me wrong. I have chica friends that I whatsapp with regularly. However I maintain contact as a means to an end. I can see them, set up dates / sleepovers when I return. Requests for help / assistance / gifts/$$$ is simply part of the experience one may encounter when staying in touch with DR women. I say may encounter, because I don't always get requests from all the DR women I know. In fact, many of the women I am in contact with now, used to RFM me when we 1st hooked up. And stopped when they realized I wasnt budging. They didn't write me off completely because I was still an asset to them once I was with them in their country. Others wrote me off the moment that I refused or failed to honor their requests. So I kinda stick with those that stuck with me. They are always welcome to get all they can from some other dude. I wrote a book, I know.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1519781]You do need time and patience to correspond with these girls but it is a good way to work on your Spanish. I have not lied to a single women on the dating site. After contacting them I make it very clear that I am in Sosua on vacation. After corresponding a few times I further tell them I am not looking for a wife or a girlfriend. I make this very clear and tell them I can help them out and even pose a hypothetical scenario where if we have chemistry together, I inquire as to how much money they want for their time. I only ask this question when they have confirmed that they understand what's up and lot of them have said " no problemo". I found a really nice one when I was down in December and she has not asked me to send her any money and we exchange texts every few days. With her I made it very clear what was up when we were together and always treated her like a girl friend versus a Puta. I plan on spending more time with her on my next trip in February. I currently have two new ones lined up for my return and they fully understand what the program is. There are women in the DR that will be with a guy that is upfront with them from the beginning, treats them well, and have chemistry with you. If I click with some of the new ones I plan on meeting, I'm going to have to get creative as to how to manage my leche between them all. A good problem to have![/QUOTE]I think being clear and up front makes sense. The idea is to mitigate any misunderstandings later, and feeling free to proceed with the woman with less problems.

I tend to believe there are an abundance of women who are already prepared to roll the way you described. They already have our understanding. They just need to know what type of man is in front of them, and what he wants. In other words, a woman will adapt to whatever situation / man she has in front of her. If he is aware and strong she will adapt to that. If he is weak or unaware, he will be treated accordingly. However an important factor is, the test of time. Any woman can claim to understand whatever we present to them. But time dealing with them is the test that will reveal if they will CONSISTENTLY roll according to our supposed mutual understanding. Like women in the states. You can tell a woman you don't want a serious relationship. She'll appear to accept that. But sometime down the road, she may flip and claim she wants a relationship. The guy will be asking her, but I thought we had an understanding? Whereas the woman will say that was then, this is how I feel now.

My experience with DR women, including Cupid women is similar. They will agree to anything if it will help them get their foot in the door. Sometime down the road, you may experience them telling you about their problems, and more specifically directly asking for $$$ with a problem. Many don't grasp that the guy not being there with her may be a problem for that guy. All they know is they want the guy to respond to their dilemma (real or false ). In enough instances, it's a test to see how a dude handles the request. Even if she confirmed a prior understanding.

In general, I would not be impressed with any woman that claims to understand my concerns, or who hasnt asked for money yet. If a dude puts a woman on notice that those are his concerns, a man should expect a woman to potentially adjust her behavior so as to appear like she is not like those other women. Thats why I say the test of time is very important. But women have proven that they can assume a false role for decades with men (marriage, but never really loved the man) , in order to achieve certain goals (house, kids, being taken care of etc ). So I don't put much stock into women claiming to agree with my terms. Overall, it's up to me to stick to my guns whether or not a woman reveals to me a different side or we no longer have a mutual understanding.

[QUOTE=Surfer500; 1519781]You do need time and patience to correspond with these girls but it is a good way to work on your Spanish.

I only ask this question when they have confirmed that they understand what's up and lot of them have said " no problemo".[/QUOTE]I have yet to hear any Spanish speaker say "no problemo". Aside from considerations of grammar,"problemo" is not even a Spanish word.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1520010]I have yet to hear any Spanish speaker say "no problemo". Aside from considerations of grammar,"problemo" is not even a Spanish word.[/QUOTE]Correct but the word,"problema" ending with the letter "a" is indeed a Spanish word.

[QUOTE=Geolopes;1520015]Correct but the word,"problema" ending with the letter "a" is indeed a Spanish word.[/QUOTE]True, but a Dominican person would probably say "no hay problema" or possibly "no es problema" or "ningun problema" or "sin problema" to indicate being OK with something. To say "no problem" as a response to "thanks", they might say "de nada" (= "its nothing") or "no es nada".

At used car lots you might see "no credito, no problema" which means what you thought it did.

"No problemo" is actually a slang English phrase, presumably based on Spanish, as a kind of pretend Spanish way of saying "No problem", but the only language that has the word "problemo" is Esperanto. There is a pedantic reason for this, but I won't go into it here.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1520029]True, but a Dominican person would probably say "no hay problema" or possibly "no es problema" or "ningun problema" or "sin problema" to indicate being OK with something. To say "no problem" as a response to "thanks", they might say "de nada" (= "its nothing") or "no es nada".

At used car lots you might see "no credito, no problema" which means what you thought it did.

"No problemo" is actually a slang English phrase, presumably based on Spanish, as a kind of pretend Spanish way of saying "No problem", but the only language that has the word "problemo" is Esperanto. There is a pedantic reason for this, but I won't go into it here.[/QUOTE]In looking up the word "problem" in my Spanish dictionary your are correct. I am still learning the Spanish language and the translation on my part was I used a "o" versus an "a" at the end of the word. The girls that responded to me indicated using the word problem and did not use ningun (no-way) , de-nada (your welcome) , or sin (without) in their responses.

Thanks for correcting me!

[QUOTE=Frannie;1520029]but the only language that has the word "problemo" is Esperanto. There is a pedantic reason for this, but I won't go into it here.[/QUOTE]Esperanto, really? Interesting. The word problema ending with an "a" and still being of masculine gender. I am told is because of its Greek provenience. Such words used to screw me up regularly as in my mind, anything ending with an a was automatically of feminine gender. It is seriously difficult, coming from English for example where neuter is a very sensible option, to discover that a table (mesa) is a female and so forth.

Sosua the weekend after the first. We rented a car from faith rental car. It ran us $35 a day with insurance. We took the new highway to Sosua from the airport. After you pass the toll heading to Santo Domingo, make your first immediate right about 400 hundred feet from passing the toll. Follow that road until the next road on your right. It should be a sign that says Samana. Its about an hour to an hour and 25 stretch headed up toward North Coast the north coast. Take a right when the road ends. It doesn't get tricky until Nagua however if you pay attention and follow the signs you will be ok. Just remembered as long as the water is close to your right you are okay. The ride took us a total of 3 hours and 10 minutes. We arrived and went to Casa Angella. Once again my hotel was booked to captivity. I was told that with no other rooms in Sosua. I was thinking about heading to Puerto Plata and maybe finding a rooms but as usual I went around the corner to hotel Europa and they had room for all 4 of us. I call Friday night in Sosua NBG. Nothing But a bunch of Guys. I was almost shock with the amount of guys to women in Sosua. At one time I looked around and I was surrounded by guys and at 1:30 in the morning. I was like this cannot be the Sosua I've learned to love. Fresh off 2 holidays I would think this place will be packed with single moms. I settled with a pretty older chica who did her job in the bed. She show me she was grateful I picked her out of the muck younger girls, however I was not impressed with the selection.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1520234]Sosua the weekend after the first. We rented a car from faith rental car. It ran us $35 a day with insurance. We took the new highway to Sosua from the airport. After you pass the toll heading to Santo Domingo, make your first immediate right about 400 hundred feet from passing the toll. Follow that road until the next road on your right. It should be a sign that says Samana. Its about an hour to an hour and 25 stretch headed up toward North Coast the north coast. Take a right when the road ends. It doesn't get tricky until Nagua however if you pay attention and follow the signs you will be ok. Just remembered as long as the water is close to your right you are okay. The ride took us a total of 3 hours and 10 minutes. We arrived and went to Casa Angella. Once again my hotel was booked to captivity. I was told that with no other rooms in Sosua. I was thinking about heading to Puerto Plata and maybe finding a rooms but as usual I went around the corner to hotel Europa and they had room for all 4 of us. I call Friday night in Sosua NBG. Nothing But a bunch of Guys. I was almost shock with the amount of guys to women in Sosua. At one time I looked around and I was surrounded by guys and at 1:30 in the morning. I was like this cannot be the Sosua I've learned to love. Fresh off 2 holidays I would think this place will be packed with single moms. I settled with a pretty older chica who did her job in the bed. She show me she was grateful I picked her out of the muck younger girls, however I was not impressed with the selection.[/QUOTE]Your caption reads Jan 3 Sosua. I would think that that would be one of the worst times to travel to Sosua looking for an abundance of talent. IMO, thats the time when most chicas are back home with their families enjoying the fruit of their labor. I sincerely expect things to change at the end of the month, as we near Super Bowl week. Thats the time chicas come out of the woodwork to descend on Sosua once again to make that money. On the flip side though, I'd also expect a lot more mongers than previous SBW because more guys are learning how much fun it is during that time of the year in Sosua. Personally I have no concerns whatsoever about whether or not I'll find my own dimes. I'm sure there will probably be fresh talent that has never been to Sosua before. Word of mouth travels fast through the CCN (chica Comm network ). Plus enough guys have regulars they keep in contact with. Which might be a necessity because I'm sure enough scammers will also be on hand.

Grownman you mean take a left when the road ends, not a right. That left will take you down the coast past Nagua, Gaspar Hernandez, Cabarette, and then Sosua.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1520377]Grownman you mean take a left when the road ends, not a right. That left will take you down the coast past Nagua, Gaspar Hernandez, Cabarette, and then Sosua.[/QUOTE]Ty for the correction

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1520341]Your caption reads Jan 3 Sosua. I would think that that would be one of the worst times to travel to Sosua looking for an abundance of talent. IMO, thats the time when most chicas are back home with their families enjoying the fruit of their labor. I sincerely expect things to change at the end of the month, as we near Super Bowl week. Thats the time chicas come out of the woodwork to descend on Sosua once again to make that money.

You are right for Friday I really didn't really go for Sosua this round. I was suppose to meet my man Abr Mainline in BC, but he had last minute drama. I hope everything works out for you Abr.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1520144]Esperanto, really? Interesting. The word problema ending with an "a" and still being of masculine gender. I am told is because of its Greek provenience. Such words used to screw me up regularly as in my mind, anything ending with an a was automatically of feminine gender. It is seriously difficult, coming from English for example where neuter is a very sensible option, to discover that a table (mesa) is a female and so forth.[/QUOTE]There is a class of nouns in Spanish that end in.a that have masculine gender. They are not very numerous, but they are very common so one needs to know them. For example I can think of agua, problema, mapa, programa, clima, idioma, dia, yoga, gorila, sofa, taxista, policia, dentista, doctora, Papa (= Pope).

Adding an 'O' to an English word to make a Spanish word occasionally works, for example rapid, crocodil (e) , antibiotic, but is not very reliable. Some words are the same in both languages, such as radio, libido, polio.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1520866]There is a class of nouns in Spanish that end in "A" that have masculine gender. They are not very numerous, but they are very common so one needs to know them. For example I can think of agua, problema, mapa, programa, clima, idioma, dia, yoga, gorila, sofa, taxista, policia, dentista, doctora, Papa (= Pope).

Adding an 'O' to an English word to make a Spanish word occasionally works, for example rapid, crocodil (e) , antibiotic, but is not very reliable. Some words are the same in both languages, such as radio, libido, polio.[/QUOTE]Agua? El agua? I did not know that. Also because the agua starts with a vowel and I thought it would be something like L'agua! Doctora too I thought is a female doctor (as against el doctor) so "la doctora".

Let me add "turista" to that venerable list of yours.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1520866]There is a class of nouns in Spanish that end in "a" that have masculine gender. For example I can think of agua .[/QUOTE]Wrong. "Agua" is feminine, as in "agua tepida" (tepid water) or "agua negra" (waste water or sewage: actually the name of a barrio in Puerto Plata. Must be an uphill task for a realtor to sell a house located there!)

There is a grammatical rule that says that if a feminine word begins with "a" you use the masculine article in order the avoid pronouncing two "a"s in sequence, which would be alien to Spanish pronunciation, although not a problem for native English speakers.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1520866]For example I can think of ... problema, mapa, programa, clima, idioma, dia, yoga, gorila, sofa, taxista, policia, dentista, doctora, Papa (= Pope).[/QUOTE]Most of the rest are imports from Ancient Greek during the Renaissance or more recent imports from non-European languages like "yoga".

"Idiota" is an example from Greek. When I call my (Haitian) girlfriend "idiota" she responds by calling me "idioto", which just make her look even dumber. (Incidentally,"idiota" is really offensive here and you should be careful using it playfully as we do in the First World).

As Frannie has shown, many professions end in "a" regardless of the gender of the job holder, like "secretaria".

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1520905]Wrong."Agua" is feminine, as in "agua tepida" (tepid water) or "agua negra" (waste water or sewage: actually the name of a barrio in Puerto Plata. Must be an uphill task for a realtor to sell a house located there!)

There is a grammatical rule that says that if a feminine word begins with "a" you use the masculine article in order the avoid pronouncing two "a"s in sequence, which would be alien to Spanish pronunciation although not a problem for native English speakers.

Most of the rest are imports from Ancient Greek during the Renaissance or more recent imports from non-European languages like "yoga".

"Idiota" is an example from Greek. When I call my (Haitian) girlfriend "idiota" she responds by calling me "idioto", which just make her look even dumber. (Incidentally,"idiota" is really offensive here and you should be careful using it playfully as we do in the First World).

As Frannie has shown, many professions end in "a" regardless of the gender of the job holder, like "secretaria".[/QUOTE]I started all this when I mistakenly spelled "problem" wrong in Spanish. Learning the Spanish language is important but only so much at a time. How about a juicy trip report from someone on the ground. I promise to post some trip reports when I return in February "No Problema".

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter;1520905]"Idiota" is an example from Greek. When I call my (Haitian) girlfriend "idiota" she responds by calling me "idioto", which just make her look even dumber. (Incidentally,"idiota" is really offensive here and you should be careful using it playfully as we do in the First World).[/QUOTE]Cracked up with "Idioto"! I used the word "animal" once (transliteration from "it is a different animal altogether" and so I thought an entirely harmless word) during written conversation. Was I bloody wrong?

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1520144]It is seriously difficult, coming from English for example where neuter is a very sensible option.[/QUOTE]You should take up Haitian Kreyol. No gender, no plural endings, no conjugation of verbs, only one irregular verb, no declension of nouns, no agreement of adjectives, no inconsistencies in pronunciation, same pronoun used for nominative, accusative, possession, interrogative, etc, along with many other logical simplifications.

Actually, English is one of the few exceptions in Europe in not having gender, along with Finnish. One of the very few "learner friendly" things about it. Gender in language is a pain in the ass and serves no useful purpose whatsover. In real life, however, it does have its uses.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter;1520905]Wrong. "Agua" is feminine, as in "agua tepida" (tepid water) or "agua negra" (waste water or sewage: actually the name of a barrio in Puerto Plata. Must be an uphill task for a realtor to sell a house located there!)[/QUOTE]Thanks for pointing out that el agua is a lady noun.

Like selling a home in Intercourse, Pennsylvania. Fucked if you do, and screwed if you don't, though mains sewerage could be a selling point in Puerto Plata.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1520911]You should take up Haitian Kreyol. No gender, no plural endings, no conjugation of verbs, only one irregular verb, no declension of nouns, no agreement of adjectives, no inconsistencies in pronunciation, same pronoun used for nominative, accusative, possession, interrogative, etc, along with many other logical simplifications.

Actually, English is one of the few exceptions in Europe in not having gender, along with Finnish. One of the very few "learner friendly" things about it. Gender in language is a pain in the ass and serves no useful purpose whatsover. In real life, however, it does have its uses.[/QUOTE]Never knew about Finnish. Thanks. But English is extremely user friendly from my perspective also for other reasons. Just think of the six forms of verb conjugations in every damn tense in the romance languages, taxing the memory not to speak of the subjunctives and conditional.

On Creole, I would but there are two catches:

1. I am not particularly attracted to Haitian women even though I love their history. The first liberated black nation etc.

2. Their economy, which translates to not much of lateral value other than chasing women and on that see point 1.

Couple of years back, I was trying to learn Persian, which is similar to one of the languages I spoke in India (Persian was the court language for the Mughal empire) but the script (Arabic) take an enormous amount of time and then going to Iran, in search of women is probably not such a bright idea, this day and time. Spanish, to my cost-benefit analysis sensitive mind, has this enormous leverage from that perspective. Of course I do not know if the Latin American women are equally open to older males as the DR women seem to be. On verra!

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1520927]Thanks for pointing out that el agua is a lady noun.

Like selling a home in Intercourse, Pennsylvania. Fucked if you do, and screwed if you don't, though mains sewerage could be a selling point in Puerto Plata.[/QUOTE]Jesus! I learned something, it is indeed El agua even though agua per se is feminine. What is confusing to me personally is that in Italian, it is la acqua or more commonly, l'acqua which is what I thought would be the case here in Spanish as well. Wrong!

Saturday NBA. I was suspecting Saturday night to be the same as Friday night but the memo had gotten out. Sosua was in full swing again. It was nothing but sexy asses everywhere. Saturday was the Sosua I remembered. The selection was hard. I ended up with a sexy Pro who read me like a book. This chica knew just what to say to me and how to say it at first. She said she didn't drink and didn't smoke anything but marijuana. My type of chica. She must have been feeling herself when I chose to leave with her. I lasted till about 4 o'clock in the morning before I made her my selection. The fellas and I took the young ladies to get something to eat. I really didn't like this move but I was outnumbered. It was Fresh, Justice, E and myself. Fresh who is a very choosy lover. I've never seen a girl pick him up. His first election he thought could have been a guy at first. Our gaydar is always on extra sencetive alert in Sosua. Especially since the strong presence of drags queens in the area. I told him that that wasn't a girl she was a woman. I was right and he was kicking himself for losing her to another guy. My ATM card did not work so all I had was 1200 pesos. I borrowed $60 from E until the morning. We went to a place serving tacos up from the club. All of a sudden my all natural chica ordered a Presidente. I'm like damn I thought she didn't drink. Justice was in another world with his chica. Fresh chica ordered something. New guys please pay attention.

I question her on what did she order. She looked at me and said she didn't know. Fresh wasn't paying attention so I asked her again pointing at the menu she said she didn't know. I am now making an issue of this but Fresh was calming his girl down because he saw she was getting upset and about to cry. He told her don't worry about it he has the order. My chica was trying to make excuses for her which really pisses me off. Nothing on the menu was over 300 pesos. All of a sudden E comes back from taking a leak around the corner and I explained the situation to him. E is like the neutralizer of situations. He asked her what did she order again she couldn't say. Then he warn us that the waitress was a crackhead who was the wife of the owner. He went right up to the guy fixing the food and asks what did she order. Pork chops! That shits not even on the menu. Fresh said its no problem he had it. He has his eyes on his chica and that's all that matters to him. The waitress came out with some very day old pork chops and fries. It was enough for 3 plates. That shit was tougher than leather as my chica tried to play it off by attempting to eat help her eat it. 600 pesos. I know game when I see was it. Fresh chica didn't even finish a fourth of the pork chop on her plate. I paid 450 pesos for me and my chicas dinner.

On way to our room my chica asked for another el Presidente. I had to get some rolling paper anyway. My one leg friend Pamela had given me enough weed in Boca Chica to last me for 2 days. No Mr E I haven't fucked her. I have given her a few outfit and she always gives me something in return. We both decided not to have sex with each other rathan keep it cool. We stopped to the store for rolling paper. I told her I wanted a blunt but she said she could roll the paper. Then she asked me to buy her some cigarettes. Yep she conned me. So much for Miss all natural. My instinct told me to kick her ass to the curb but she did buy me some bottle water earlier when she asked me did I want something to drink. And she paid for our motorscooter ride because she didn't want to walk anymore the crowd was gone. We got back to the room I got out the weed she put. It in the paper and gave it to me to roll. She couldn't roll. Man I was so upset. I was down to 300 pesos. I had to go 3 doors down to E and have him roll it for me. I had G keep an eye on her while I was out the room. We came back enjoyed Dominican finest homegrown dirt weed. I couldn't complain. Then she got all business on me. I had 3 twenties and 300 pesos on me. I gave her 2 20 and 300 pesos and she started bitching and complaining. Not knowingly I had put the money in her hand. She was talking all kinds of shit. Saying if she didn't like me she wouldn't do nothing. I reminded her about the cigarettes and the breafest. Of course that was nothing. I reminded she that she came at me and I had something already planned. My regular afternoon snack chica was blowning up my phone to come back and spend the night. 21, no kids, a squirter, and 1500 pesos. I told her to give me the money back and she went into shock. I stood my ground and she complied. I put the money on the dresser and said when we finish you can have it. Oddly she smiled and respected that. Then she told me I am NOT getting a back massage because the money was too low. I told her if she is good I will give her a gift. She told me she didn't want a gift. I must say to pussy was good. She let me have my way with her. BBBJ for a good 15 minutes. She rode me like a champ. We finished with 10 minutes of hard core doggie! She kept that ass moving. When we were done she went into the bathroom to take a shower. I laid out several outfits on the bed when she came out. She came out and went nuts.

I thought I would have to punch her in the fucking mouth. She couldn't stop begging for more clothes. I told she am saving the other outfits for the chica that was coming over to massage my back in the morning. I gave her an extra shirt besides the outfit she picked just so she could shut the fuck up. Then she goes to light her cigarettes. I told her she would have to do that on the balcony and she said she was leaving. She left and caught me slipping. I didn't see her ass cuff my weed before she left. I was so mad I got played. Had to charge that went to the game. Back to BC tomorrow for Sunday at the beach

Knowing when to cut bait is not easy. You are hoping that she is not B. S. Ing but the bad ones show their true selves it come out.

You handled it well. When get a bad you have to make the best if it.

Rl down because he saw she was getting upset and about to cry. He told her don't worry about it he has the order. My chica was trying to make excuses for her which really pisses me off. Nothing on the menu was over 300 pesos. All of a sudden E comes back from taking a leak around the corner and I explained the situation to him. E is like the neutralizer of situations. He asked her what did she order again she couldn't say. Then he warn us that the waitress was a crackhead who was the wife of the owner. He went right up to the guy fixing the food and asks what did she order. Pork chops! That shits not even on the menu. Fresh said its no problem he had it. He has his eyes on his chica and that's all that matters to him. The waitress came out with some very day old pork chops and fries. It was enough for 3 plates. That shit was tougher than leather as my chica tried to play it off by attempting to eat help her eat it. 600 pesos. I know game when I see was it. Fresh chica didn't even finish a fourth of the pork chop on her plate. I paid 450 pesos for me and my chicas dinner.

On way to our room my chica asked for another el Presidente. I had to get some rolling paper anyway. My one leg friend Pamela had given me enough weed in Boca Chica to last me for 2 days. No Mr E I haven't fucked her. I have given her a few outfit and she always gives me something in return. We both decided not to have sex with each other rathan keep it cool. We stopped to the store for rolling paper. I told her I wanted a blunt but she said she could roll the paper. Then she asked me to buy her some cigarettes. Yep she conned me. So much for Miss all natural. My instinct told me to kick her ass to the curb but she did buy me some bottle water earlier when she asked me did I want something to drink. And she paid for our motorscooter ride because she didn't want to walk anymore the crowd was gone. We got back to the room I got out the weed she put. It in the paper and gave it to me to roll. She couldn't roll. Man I was so upset. I was down to 300 pesos. I had to go 3 doors down to E and have him roll it for me. I had G keep an eye on her while I was out the room. We came back enjoyed Dominican finest homegrown dirt weed. I couldn't complain. Then she got all business on me. I had 3 twenties and 300 pesos on me. I gave her 2 20 and 300 pesos and she started bitching and complaining. Not knowingly I had put the money in her hand. She was talking all kinds of shit. Saying if she didn't like me she wouldn't do nothing. I reminded her about the cigarettes and the breafest. Of course that was nothing. I reminded she that she came at me and I had something already planned. My regular afternoon snack chica was blowning up my phone to come back and spend the night. 21, no kids, a squirter, and 1500 pesos. I told her to give me the money back and she went into shock. I stood my ground and she complied. I put the money on the dresser and said when we finish you can have it. Oddly she smiled and respected that. Then she told me I am NOT getting a back massage because the money was too low. I told her if she is good I will give her a gift. She told me she didn't want a gift. I must say to pussy was good. She let me have my way with her. BBBJ for a good 15 minutes. She rode me like a champ. We finished with 10 minutes of hard core doggie! She kept that ass moving. When we were done she went into the bathroom to take a shower. I laid out several outfits on the bed when she came out. She came out and went nuts.

I thought I would have to punch her in the fucking mouth. She couldn't stop begging for more clothes. I told she am saving the other outfits for the chica that was coming over to massage my back in the morning. I gave her an extra shirt besides the outfit she picked just so she could shut the fuck up. Then she goes to light her cigarettes. I told her she would have to do that on the balcony and she said she was leaving. She left and caught me slipping. I didn't see her ass cuff my weed before she left. I was so mad I got played. Had to charge that went to the game. Back to BC tomorrow for Sunday at the beach[/QUOTE]

Hey Grownman,

Its time for you to start acting like a grown man. I'm going to be a little hard here but its because I think you are messing up and I don't want to see you get yourself in a jam. But I do like your reporting.

You being the leader of the group, means you should be the most responsible especially when you are also the most experienced. Your boys are happy to be on a vacation and enjoying the lovely Latinas. They are thinking with their dicks not their brains. Say "no' sometimes when they are fucking up bro, because when they get in a jam they are going to blame you for not looking out for them. Your group is like wild horses running through Sosua. I know you are making memories to laugh about later, but when you end up in a Dominican jail there won't be any laughing. Tighten up bro please.

The weed thing worries me the most because you are flagrant with it. Any Dominican that says "weed" you appear to be down with. Listen! Trust no one with that, it has serious consequences. My cousin got busted in Cabarette on our first trip. He snuck off with some Dominican dude and 30 minutes after he returned the police ran up on us with guns drawn. I will never forget the look on his face as the police were taking him away. It was like his worst nightmare had happened. First they wanted 10k use, then 5k to get him out of jail. His Mother was blaming me for not watching out for him. Its funny how family deserts you when they have to come up with thousands. We took him food to the POP jail and he was a defeated man. My cousin is 6'4, 220 pounds and a bad MF, but in jail he was a baby. We paid half and his family paid half and he was released. He hasn't been back since and the family never talks about that episode. Grownman, you and your boys could experience this same treatment if you don't slow down. I don't want you in that jam bro. If you have to smoke weed, have one person that you only deal with when buying, and never turn the girls your banging on to it. The less people you know the better. OH! And keep 5k in a bank account in case of an emergency.

I don't understand guys who take Dominican girls out to eat. Bro, just take them to the Dominican chicken stand on the street and let them get a 200p plate of chicken, beans and rice. You are wasting money if you think they have the same taste in food that we have. They don't understand fine cuisine.

And please follow your tell signs when dealing with chicas. You should be a pro at this by now. You said the girl "Read you like a book" and you still took her. She said she didn't drink or smoke but smokes weed. How many girls do you know that smoke weed and don't drink? And you waited till 4am to finally make your selection, she probably had cum dripping out her ass and pussy by that time.

One last thing bro, stop with the outfits for girls you just met. It will make the hardcore girls think you are soft and they will home-in on there mark. They might even get mad if your with another girl and tell the cops you have weed. Save the clothes for special chic as you plan to see the next trip.

I'm not trying to be hard on you bro, just food for thought. Us veterans will tell you the good and bad if they want you to succeed. I'm in your corner but tighten up a little please. The vets told me my mistakes and I didn't always listen. But over time when I think back on it I say"damn I get it now".

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1521134]I thought I would have to punch her in the fucking mouth. She couldn't stop begging for more clothes. I didn't see her ass cuff my weed before she left. I was so mad I got played. Had to charge that went to the game. Back to BC tomorrow for Sunday at the beach[/QUOTE]I'm wary of any chica who asks for tangibles (beer, food. Etc) before we even get to my room. Putas like that will take and take with no consideration and are most likely to steal from you.

2014 rule: I don't do anything for her until she's done something for me.

For some reason I am drawn to the young pretty ones. They usually have not been on the seen as long and are not as hard. However these same traits can make them less functional in the bed. I dance and chat with the girls before I pull the trigger. If she is in a hurry or rushes me I let her go. If the sex is good I get her number and will repeat.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender; 1521295]I'm wary of any chica who asks for tangibles (beer, food. Etc) before we even get to my room. Putas like that will take and take with no consideration and are most likely to steal from you.

2014 rule: I don't do anything for her until she's done something for me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender; 1521295]I'm wary of any chica who asks for tangibles (beer, food. Etc) before we even get to my room. Putas like that will take and take with no consideration and are most likely to steal from you.

2014 rule: I don't do anything for her until she's done something for me.[/QUOTE]Make me a member of your club and don't forget to frisky them before they leave

Literally. Last minute cancel plans. Puts me in Sosua right now! The beach was lovely today. For the first time I actually enjoy the atmosphere. I play dominoes for the first time since they changed it to American style. Very good selection of chicas from Santiago were blazing their string bikinis. I'm at hotel Europa. The sexy Eva has been laying by the pool all day with those beautiful ass fake titties. But damn that girl is gorgeous. I think I just fucked the most darkest Dominican or Haitian I've ever seen. I caught her just right walking by herself, bad hair do looking at clothes she couldn't afford. 1000 pesos and she didn't complain. Of course I tipped her with a nice outfit. That's my afternoon treat. I think I'm going to go hi yellow tonight. I have a feeling it going be off the chain

Weed is always controversial on this site. In the DR it is viewed like coke. Most DR chicas I have been with do not smoke but some do. For those who like weed it is an awesome party drug. Music food and sex are all enhanced when smoking. Weed is illegal in most of the US as well so those of us who like it have accepted the risk. As adults we choose our risk. Why take the chance. Because it truly makes your activities enhanced. I try to be as safe as possible but I have smoked in the Dr many times. DR smoke is notoriously bad. This may be an age thing as well. Older guys who do not smoke may not understand why others do. Just like a lot of guys think you are taking a huge risk banging putas in a third world country.

Smoking weed in the US is a risk as it is in the DR. GOGO you would be surprised how many guys from all over the world do. I had a wingman from Norway he bought local and shared.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo; 1521255]Hey Grownman,

I bro please.

The weed thing worries me the most because you are flagrant with it. Any Dominican that says "weed" you appear to be down with. Listen! Trust no one with that, it has serious consequences. My cousin got busted in Cabarette on our first trip. He snuck off with some Dominican dude and 30 minutes after he returned the police ran up on us with guns drawn. I will never forget the look on his face as the police were taking him away. It was like his worst nightmare had happened. First they wanted 10k use, then 5k to get him out of jail. His Mother was blaming me for not watching out for him. Its funny how family deserts you when they have to come up with thousands. We took him food to the POP jail and he was a defeated man. My cousin is 6'4, 220 pounds and a bad MF, but in jail he was a baby. We paid half and his family paid half and he was released. He hasn't been back since and the family never ta

Oldkool,

The only reason I don't smoke weed now is because my job won't let me. I don't think weed is bad, but it is illegal. Most of my early years were weed filled. With that said, we as adults can't be taking unnecessary risks that can cost us everything. The only reason foreign guys smoke weed in the DR is because they haven't been jammed up yet. I know that if you get busted and go through the wash that the Dominicans will put you through that you will then see its not worth the risk. Then you will never go back to the DR and say how terrible a place it is.

Being locked in a jail naked with 50 other guys in a 20x20 cell, having to pay 5k-10k of my hard earned money, and having loved ones bring you beans and rice as they feel sorry for you isn't worth hitting a joint. We are are viewed as rich vacationers to the poor Dominicans. They don't give a damn about 100usd when they can set your ass up for thousands, and you will pay brother. No American lawyers coming to your rescue, no politicians taking up your cause, not even sympathy from the girl who set your"Stupid rich tourist" ass up.

Guys don't have to listen to me now, but they will wish they had when their ass is shitting in a bucket. I'm not fucking with it, but listen to Old Kool guys if you want. I'm betting Old Kool won't be the one offering money when you get busted, will you Old Kool?

[QUOTE=OldKool;1521384]Smoking weed in the US is a risk as it is in the DR. GOGO you would be surprised how many guys from all over the world do. I had a wingman from Norway he bought local and shared.[/QUOTE]There are at least 28 of the 50 States in the US that have decriminalized weed:

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Places_that_have_decriminalized_non-medical_cannabis_in_the_United_States[/url]


The DR has ZERO tolerance for weed:

[url]http://santodomingo.usembassy.gov/narcotics_arrest_in_dr-e.html[/url]


[i][b]CATEGORY ONE:[/b] Simple Possession

Minimum: 6 months in prison and a fine of RD$1,500

Maximum: 2 years in prison and a fine of RD$2,500[/i]


Read Gogo's post again: 5K USD to get his cousin out of a Dominican jail and 10K USD to have the case go away.

Compare that to paying only a $100 fine and no jail time in a place like California and tell me again where you'd rather take your chances.

Some of you guys lose all of your mind when pussy comes into the picture.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1]Literally. Last minute cancel plans. Puts me in Sosua right now! The beach was lovely today. For the first time I actually enjoy the atmosphere. I play dominoes for the first time since they changed it to American style. Very good selection of chicas from Santiago were blazing their string bikinis. I'm at hotel Europa.[/QUOTE]How do you like Hotel Europa and what's a good room there?

Is the scene on the strip packed at night? CubaDave was saying it was a ghost town.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1521350]Make me a member of your club and don't forget to frisky them before they leave[/QUOTE]I wouldn't frisk a chica unless I was sure she took something and in that case I might let security handle it. I just keep my important stuff in hand (smart phone) , locked up (money) or in plain sight (Hennessy) and I always do a quick check while she's showering up to leave.

I'm going to use your idea about bringing cheap dresses as gifts but I'd only give them to girls I've done multiple sessions with.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1521347]For some reason I am drawn to the young pretty ones. They usually have not been on the seen as long and are not as hard. However these same traits can make them less functional in the bed. I dance and chat with the girls before I pull the trigger. If she is in a hurry or rushes me I let her go. If the sex is good I get her number and will repeat.[/QUOTE]I agree the fresh faced 18-20 "rookies" are better.

I'm an ass man at heart but I've found in Sosua the bigger the booty the worse the sex / attitude. Now I go for the slimmer pretty girls (18-20) and the "bargain girls".7 scale chicas who might be over looked in favor of the cat suit wearing sharks. Nothing is sexier to me than enthusiasm and a lot of girls are eager to please and won't clock watch as much. On my next trip the plan is to grab any many hot chica's numbers on Saturday night then hit them up on Monday afternoon for $1000-1500 ST.

For those that this guy appeals to, CubaDave's spin: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs964jKTDqg[/url]

Saw this but not sure if it is accurate: [url]http://ourlegaci.com/2014/01/13/what-really-happens-on-vacation/[/url]

"The Dominican Republic started taking steps towards preventing sex trafficking in 2013. These steps include charges against anyone that forces someone into sex trafficking and 10-15 year sentences for people that use the services of prostitutes."

Is Sosua going the Way of Costa Rica.

Been here three days now and prices seem to be going up and services are going down. Most chicas are asking for and sad to say many guys that I talk to are giving in and paying 2000P. Services however are not improving in fact they are declining finding many more chicas wanting to use condoms for blow jobs and many chicas have a rushed get it over with poor attitude. Things are not what they used to be, in the long run the rising prices and declining service level will just hurt the chicas as guys will begine to find other places. Colombia is looking better and better all the time.

Chris

The decision has nothing to do with the pussy. It is has been illegal forever. Slowly it is being decrimalized in the US. Hell prostitution is illegal in 49 states but is not slowing down. If it was illegal in DR would stop if the enforcement was lax?

Read Gogo's post again: 5K USD to get his cousin out of a Dominican jail and 10K USD to have the case go away.

Compare that to paying only a $100 fine and no jail time in a place like California and tell me again where you'd rather take your chances.

Some of you guys lose all of your mind when pussy comes into the picture.[/QUOTE]

Buying and selling pussy is not illegal in the DR as long as there is no middle man and the girl is over 18.

[ ominican Republic started taking steps towards preventing sex trafficking in 2013. These steps include charges against anyone that forces someone into sex trafficking and 10-15 year sentences for people that use the services of prostitutes."[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1521428]For those that this guy appeals to, CubaDave's spin:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs964jKTDqg[/url]

Saw this but not sure if it is accurate:

[url]http://ourlegaci.com/2014/01/13/what-really-happens-on-vacation/[/url]

"The Dominican Republic started taking steps towards preventing sex trafficking in 2013. These steps include charges against anyone that forces someone into sex trafficking and 10-15 year sentences for people that use the services of prostitutes."[/QUOTE]Cuba Dave sounds really bitter, but all he is saying in his 7-minute rant is the atmosphere in the main large bars in Sosua is lousy due to enclosure and that the two brothel clubs have been closed down (as I predicted here back in April, I think it was.) He admits that the hotels are full or nearly full, so evidently the local powers in Sosua are doing something right, and perhaps he could have said more about why the hotels are full.

He also mentioned, I think I have this right, that he would like to see more prostitutes at the beach and less offers of massage.

Of course the enclosure of the bars will not be good news for smokers, and probably not for drinkers, so point taken.

There is little doubt that the government of the DR does not want the name of the country to be synonymous with sex tourism.

Thanks Cuba Dave for your valuable contribution to bringing media attention to unsavory aspects of sex tourism, especially places like Passions. Keep up the good work! We need a few more good men like you.

Not sure about that 10-15 years thing, I think something was lost in translation.

[QUOTE=OldKool; 1521557]Buying and selling pussy is not illegal in the DR as long as there is no middle man and the girl is over 18.

[ ominican Republic started taking steps towards preventing sex trafficking in 2013. These steps include charges against anyone that forces someone into sex trafficking and 10-15 year sentences for people that use the services of prostitutes."[/QUOTE]No, it isn't but obviously there are gray areas, such as the existence of very profitable bars that depend absolutely on the prostitution trade and "chica friendly" hotels full of single men that are in the same boat. To the extent that Sosua is promoted on the Internet as a sex tourism destination, there is a perception of a commercial sex industry located in Sosua. The law on men paying women over the age of 18 for sex may not change, but it it is the laws around the fringes that have a lot of impact on the size of the market.

One could also compare to the UK, or many other countries, where it is not illegal to pay for sex with someone over 18, but there are many other laws that put restrictions in place to dampen the demand for prostitution. No one perceives London as a primarily sex tourism destination, that is for sure.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1521350]. don't forget to frisky them before they leave[/QUOTE]The chica could call a friendly cop and charge you with assault and you would not have a leg to stand on.

This comes back to a point which I and others have often made. What the fuck type of chicas are you going with that you feel the need to frisk them when leaving as a routine (and not in exceptional circumstances)? Time and again I see visitors choosing obvious slags and think "WTF"? Usually alcohol plays a big part in such poor choices which lead to most of the problems we read about.

I don't take a girl unless I like her. I am not interested in fucking anyone I don't like. There are plenty of nice girls about who just need 1000/2000 to feed their kids without needing to associate with lowlifes.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1521622]The chica could call a friendly cop and charge you with assault and you would not have a leg to stand on.

This comes back to a point which I and others have often made. What the fuck type of chicas are you going with that you feel the need to frisk them when leaving as a routine (and not in exceptional circumstances)? Time and again I see visitors choosing obvious slags and think "WTF"? Usually alcohol plays a big part in such poor choices which lead to most of the problems we read about.

I don't take a girl unless I like her. I am not interested in fucking anyone I don't like. There are plenty of nice girls about who just need 1000/2000 to feed their kids without needing to associate with lowlifes.[/QUOTE]Charles you you don't understand a joke when you see one. I don't drink, I never took a chica to my room I didn't want to fuck,

Your warning has not fallen on deaf ears. Thank you for that situational example. 10k. 5k and jail is not kool.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1521773]Your warning has not fallen on deaf ears. Thank you for that situational example. 10k. 5k and jail is not kool.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't have have wasted my time on you if I thought you were a knucklehead. I've been there and I understand its all about fun, but I just want you to think a little more, that's all. I was hanging with Mr E yesterday and he told me you were a cool dude. If you want to smoke weed go at it, but have some safety codes, that's all bro. Keep reporting but understand this is a growth process. Consider me your real friend that is always going to be real with you.

As usual you make valid points

Hotel Europa is a great go to place. $40 a night. Wifi, safe, very clean pool, jacuzzi, flat stream TV, bar, ac, kitchenette, refrigerator, guess computer, free morning coffee, hotwater, and right on the strip. This is my third time here. I'm in room 123 which is a double room $75. It has a very nice patio attached to it. 2 weeks ago I came here and after one was close. It is now open.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1515783]Actually it is.

Anyone with half a brain knows that, even were it to be completed, there would be minimal input into the general economy. A few politicians and landowners might make mucho dollars, but that money they will hide offshore. It will have nil impact on Sosua and almost none on Puerto Plata.[/QUOTE]Much like Royal Carribean has a cruise ship port at Labadee in Haiti a bit further west up the same very same coast that's regularly called on by the biggest cruise ships in their fleet. Effectively it has zero impact on the local Haitian economy. Many tourists aren't even aware Labadee is in Haiti. Maimon is well west of PP, which for the Sosua economy might as well be on a different island.

One last thing bro, stop with the outfits for girls you just met. It will make the hardcore girls think you are soft and they will home-in on there mark. They might even get mad if your with another girl and tell the cops you have weed. Save the clothes for special chic as you plan to see the next trip.

I'm not trying to be hard on you bro, just food for thought. Us veterans will tell you the good and bad if they want you to succeed. I'm in your corner but tighten up a little please. The vets told me my mistakes and I didn't always listen. But over time when I think back on it I say"damn I get it now".[/QUOTE]I hear what you saying Mr Gogo, but everyone doesn't get outfits. Only excellent performers! And only after the deed is done. It works excellent for me. If you knew or seen my demeanor you would not think or get the he"s soft vibe. The military and law enforcement trained me well. I always touch bases with the local law enforcement Supervisors when I touch down in Boca Chica and Sosua. I always leave with there personal number.

If giving things to the ladies is good for him no harm done. One more point. A motivated pro is a really good night. Some hard core pros can give you something to remember. They are just like the other girls but with good and bad experiences. If you treat them right surprise you get your toes curled. Most guys can manage the hard core girls. Negotiate up front have fun. Little kindness goes a long way with the tough ones.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1; 1521815]One last thing bro, stop with the outfits for girls you just met. It will make the hardcore girls think you are soft and they will home-in on there mark. They might even get mad if your with another girl and tell the cops you have weed. Save the clothes for special chic as you plan to see the next trip.

I'm not trying to be hard on you bro, just food for thought. Us veterans will tell you the good and bad if they want you to succeed. I'm in your corner but tighten up a little please. The vets told me my mistakes and I didn't always listen. But over time when I think back on it I say"damn I get it now".[/QUOTE]I hear what you saying Mr Gogo, but everyone doesn't get outfits. Only excellent performers! And only after the deed is done. It works excellent for me. If you knew or seen my demeanor you would not think or get the he"s soft vibe. The military and law enforcement trained me well. I always touch bases with the local law enforcement Supervisors when I touch down in Boca Chica and Sosua. I always leave with there personal number.[/QUOTE]

Is not for the well-known heart. A lot of police patrolling tonight. Rumba is packed 3 to 1 guys. I just found out that my slim chica with the fat ass has been getting butt injections. My heart is crushed. But this may explain all of these perfect asses out here. Its not many chicas but what do you expect for Monday. I am on high alert now that I've know butt injections are in the area. Hit you up later

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1521768]Charles you you don't understand a joke when you see one.[/QUOTE]Sorry I missed your dry humor, and I apologise for misjudging you.

But obviously you must have been satirising the attitude some guys have, so my remarks are still relevant, though not to yourself.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1521768]I never took a chica to my room I didn't want to fuck,[/QUOTE]Obviously not. But that is not what I wrote about. I was talking about guys fucking chicas they dislike so much they would want to frisk them when leaving without "probable cause", and I was claiming that there are enough likeable girls around for this situation never to arise.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter;1522037]I was talking about guys fucking chicas they dislike so much they would want to frisk them when leaving without "probable cause", and I was claiming that there are enough likeable girls around for this situation never to arise.[/QUOTE]By the time you get probable cause (read realize your shit is missing) the girl could be half way to Santiago. Remember they are doing this for bread and meat, not for hobby. Any way they can get it: lips, hips, and fingertips. Better to not trust a hooker and keep all your shit than to be Mr. Benefit of the Doubt and leave Sosua a camera or a cell phone short as some of my friends have been known to do.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1522037]Sorry I missed your dry humor, and I apologise for misjudging you.

But obviously you must have been satirising the attitude some guys have, so my remarks are still relevant, though not to yourself.

Obviously not. But that is not what I wrote about. I was talking about guys fucking chicas they dislike so much they would want to frisk them when leaving without "probable cause", and I was claiming that there are enough likeable girls around for this situation never to arise.[/QUOTE]No problem Charles. I said it before and I'll say it again with the not so you have under your belt at your age you're my hero

On the ground again in standing on the outside of Rumba. The streets look empty this is my first Monday night. I don't think I'll be doing another Monday night. Ic approximately 8 girls and twenty three guys in front of me. This scene is not worth a picture. I hope the prices reflect the night.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1522101]On the ground again in standing on the outside of Rumba. The streets look empty this is my first Monday night. I don't think I'll be doing another Monday night. Ic approximately 8 girls and twenty three guys in front of me. This scene is not worth a picture. I hope the prices reflect the night.[/QUOTE]I've been here five days so far and your post about sums up the last five days often its been one to one in the chica to monger ratio at best. Unfortunately many of these chicas and guys have been stuck on stupid. Chicas are asking for 2000P and many of the guys I have been talking to have been paying it. Not at all like it was in November and December.

Chris

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1522101]On the ground again in standing on the outside of Rumba. The streets look empty this is my first Monday night. I don't think I'll be doing another Monday night. Ic approximately 8 girls and twenty three guys in front of me. This scene is not worth a picture. I hope the prices reflect the night.[/QUOTE]What time at night? If before 11PM it's usually pretty slow.

I don't want you in that jam bro. If you have to smoke weed, have one person that you only deal with when buying, and never turn the girls your banging on to it. The less people you know the better.

I don't understand guys who take Dominican girls out to eat. Bro, just take them to the Dominican chicken stand on the street and let them get a 200p plate of chicken, beans and rice.

This post by our fellow monger sounds very sincere and I back him on these issues from the experience's I am having right now in Sosua and on my earlier trips. Only after being with a chica a few times do you need to trust her. Never on the first fuck. My home town is no different than sosua when it comes to only dealing with one person for your left handed cigs even if you have to wait a few minutes to get your regular guy it is worth it.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1522057]By the time you get probable cause (read realize your shit is missing) the girl could be half way to Santiago. Remember they are doing this for bread and meat, not for hobby. Any way they can get it: lips, hips, and fingertips. Better to not trust a hooker and keep all your shit than to be Mr. Benefit of the Doubt and leave Sosua a camera or a cell phone short as some of my friends have been known to do.[/QUOTE]What if the chica declines to be frisked? If you then laid a finger on her (not necessarily roughly) she would have every right to charge you with assault (in Dominican law just as in American or European law). Whether she would get very far with that would depend on whether she has good relations with a cop and / or lawyer, but enough do have to make it not worth the risk.

In eight years (half of it living here full-time) I have never had anything stolen by a chica and I have never felt any inclination to frisk one. It all goes back to poor choice of chica in the first place.

I had stuff stolen by staff where I was living, and I have had a few disputes with chicas over payment (decreasing in frequency over the years as I learned the game). But they are different issues.

And what the hell are your friends doing leaving cameras and cell-phones out unsupervised when they invite lowlifes back to their room? If you make dumb mistakes you deserve to get punished.

I bought a chica and her girl friend 2 nice breast of chicken and fries last night and it set me back 150 and they were both happy and full. For the new guy's looking to go to sosua to have fun it is just like the guy's are saying on this site you can have as much pussy as your dick can handle for a cheap price I have been here 2 weeks so far and I have paid between 600 and 2000 for chica's and believe it or not the best by far were the one's for 600. The best thing you can do is like the guy's on here are saying is you got to know what the deal is before she ever get's in the auto. It's called the interview if you don't like how they act for any reason during that process don't take them because what ever it is will get worse. Claro. For sure

[QUOTE=OldKool;1521384]Weed is always controversial on this site.[/QUOTE]I used to cop (do they still say cop?) in the "barrio blanco" toward the end of Cabarette to the right (not the oceanside) of the main road. I found it from some crackhead American girl I met on the beach one night offering me a BJ. I declined but talked to her a little and she waked me through the barrio and introduced me to a few people and I threw her a few bucks. Brought back memories of Manhattan and the Bronx pre, pre Giuliani. Why they called it "blanco" is a mystery since I was always the only gringo in there. Scary looking as hell the first time but never a problem except that the weed was shit and always full of seeds. Sounds like it still is, which is sad since the ganja could probably equal Jamaica's if anyone there had a fucking brain.

When I go to BKK I bring a suitcase full of women's shoes. Theres a Tijuana Max nearby where I can get the most hooker lookin shoes for between $7 and $12 a pair which equates to about 3 beers in a BKK go go (I only drink coke when I'm cruising). I like to take pics of naked girls and I swear there is nothingI can't get them to do after trying on a few pairs and the promise of leaving with a pair. They feel like models and their poses are great and the sex doubles in quality (I posted a bunch in the BKK section last year).

Everybody has their own level of risk tolerance but like the boys are telling you, the more risk the sharper you have to be (at least I think thats what they're saying, egos aside) and risk multiplies exponentially in that shithole of a country. If your cool with that then life is to be lived!

[QUOTE=Chris Long; 1521502]Is Sosua going the Way of Costa Rica.

Been here three days now and prices seem to be going up and services are going down. Most chicas are asking for and sad to say many guys that I talk to are giving in and paying 2000P. Services however are not improving in fact they are declining finding many more chicas wanting to use condoms for blow jobs and many chicas have a rushed get it over with poor attitude. Things are not what they used to be, in the long run the rising prices and declining service level will just hurt the chicas as guys will begine to find other places. Colombia is looking better and better all the time.

Chris[/QUOTE]I think every time we attempt to define or describe the Sosua scene, a different day, a different week, a different month, a different vacation, a different set of chicas or a different monger, the experience one may have can change in an instant. One mans lousy vacation / day / night does not set the tone for every other monger. And it surely doesn't mean a monger needs to go elsewhere. The last 3 vacations (Oct, Nov and Dec) , mostly were positive and very fulfilling. Take a guy like CubaDave. Because one of his prized mongering destinations is closed, he seems to be depressed or very disappointed in his last trip. So much so he left early. Whats he going to do, go back to Costa Rica because of that? Should any of us be thinking of going elsewhere because he or others had a bad trip or observed chicas asking for too much or offering poor service?

Another guy may go to Sosua and have a blast. One major factor that can make a difference, is timing. Another I think, is some people are spoiled, and can't seem to make an adjustment or adapt. So what, Monday may be dead. If it was me, I'd save some leche for another day. Or find something else to do with my time. I think enough guys that come to Sosua for vacation, rely too much on chicas from the clubs / bars. Maybe they have to because that is all they know, or thats all they have time for?

A dude can create options and opportunities if he is willing to go outside of his comfort zone. I'll be there next week, and I'm almost sure my mileage may differ than what some guys are reporting / observing. For one, I know about 6 sureshot chicas I can hook up with. I won't need to rely soley on the chicas on the strip to meet my needs. But even then, I'm sure I will indulge in a few on the strip during the time I'll be down there.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1522310]I think every time we attempt to define or describe the Sosua scene, a different day, a different week, a different month, a different vacation, a different set of chicas or a different monger, the experience one may have can change in an instant. One mans lousy vacation / day / night does not set the tone for every other monger. And it surely doesn't mean a monger needs to go elsewhere. The last 3 vacations (Oct, Nov and Dec) , mostly were positive and very fulfilling. Take a guy like CubaDave. Because one of his prized mongering destinations is closed, he seems to be depressed or very disappointed in his last trip. So much so he left early. Whats he going to do, go back to Costa Rica because of that? Should any of us be thinking of going elsewhere because he or others had a bad trip or observed chicas asking for too much or offering poor service?

Another guy may go to Sosua and have a blast. One major factor that can make a difference, is timing. Another I think, is some people are spoiled, and can't seem to make an adjustment or adapt. So what, Monday may be dead. If it was me, I'd save some leche for another day. Or find something else to do with my time. I think enough guys that come to Sosua for vacation, rely too much on chicas from the clubs / bars. Maybe they have to because that is all they know, or thats all they have time for?

A dude can create options and opportunities if he is willing to go outside of his comfort zone. I'll be there next week, and I'm almost sure my mileage may differ than what some guys are reporting / observing. For one, I know about 6 sureshot chicas I can hook up with. I won't need to rely soley on the chicas on the strip to meet my needs. But even then, I'm sure I will indulge in a few on the strip during the time I'll be down there.[/QUOTE]From what I've read, Cuba dave is almost exclusively a passions and cmp guy. You put him in the clubs, and its out of his comfort zone. It would have to be really bad to cut mybtrip, short, though.

Having established chica you know are winners eliminates the need to use shakey chicas. I keep the number of good performers and use them when the other options are weak,

[QUOTE=OldKool;1522383]Having established chica you know are winners eliminates the need to use shakey chicas. I keep the number of good performers and use them when the other options are weak,[/QUOTE]Good point. I've had buddies that say"Man that was the best pussy I ever had" but they wouldn't repeat with them, go figure. Then they spend the rest of their vacation having dead fish fucks. One of my boys from this board was banging this girl in the room next to mine and the sensuous sounds she was making almost had me ready to kick the door down and say my turn. I kept telling him to repeat with her again but he never did. He called me last week and said I was right because he hasn't had a girl fuck him that good since he banged her last year.

[QUOTE=Ath Trainer;1522322]From what I've read, Cuba dave is almost exclusively a passions and cmp guy. You put him in the clubs, and its out of his comfort zone. It would have to be really bad to cut mybtrip, short, though.[/QUOTE]It may be that he partly lived off commissions for taking guys to those places. Not necessarily cash, but free drinks, meals and / or chicas. If he is on a tight budget that could make a difference. I have no evidence for that theory, but it seems strange that someone who knows Sosua well would insist on taking newbies to those venues. Other ex-pats and regular visitors I know, the more time they have spent in Sosua, the more they avoid such places, because they have learned they can get better value elesewhere.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter;1522523]It may be that he partly lived off commissions for taking guys to those places. Not necessarily cash, but free drinks, meals and / or chicas. If he is on a tight budget that could make a difference. I have no evidence for that theory, but it seems strange that someone who knows Sosua well would insist on taking newbies to those venues. Other ex-pats and regular visitors I know, the more time they have spent in Sosua, the more they avoid such places, because they have learned they can get better value elesewhere.[/QUOTE]Passions and cmp are like blackbeards. Simple, one stop shopping, shooting fish in a barrel. Price is fixed. Rooms are right there. Convience store service and prices too. Some people do all their shopping at 7 11 s, and don't mind the limited selection and higher prices.

[QUOTE=Ath Trainer;1522555]Passions and cmp are like blackbeards. Simple, one stop shopping, shooting fish in a barrel. Price is fixed. Rooms are right there. Convience store service and prices too. Some people do all their shopping at 7 11 s, and don't mind the limited selection and higher prices.[/QUOTE]Have you seen any exceptionally busty (preferably slim and stacked) women at either of these places? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter;1522523]It may be that he partly lived off commissions for taking guys to those places. Not necessarily cash, but free drinks, meals and / or chicas. If he is on a tight budget that could make a difference. I have no evidence for that theory, but it seems strange that someone who knows Sosua well would insist on taking newbies to those venues. Other ex-pats and regular visitors I know, the more time they have spent in Sosua, the more they avoid such places, because they have learned they can get better value elesewhere.[/QUOTE]Moreover, many of those same girls usually stay nearby in rooms / hotels in Sosua, until it is time to go to work. A dude can meet those same chicas when he sees them outside of those casas, take numbers and make a hook up at his convenience. Dudes have already been doing it. I would be surprised if CD was not receiving some sort of benefit from his promotions of those places.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1522383]Having established chica you know are winners eliminates the need to use shakey chicas. I keep the number of good performers and use them when the other options are weak,[/QUOTE]I couldn't agree more. I visit the DR every six weeks, the north shore specifically, and haven't stepped foot into Sosua in almost two years, no need to. Over the course of multiple trips I keep in contact with top performers and cool chicas and repeat with them. Some guys like a steady variety but with that comes the likelihood of poor performance. I will try one or two new girls every trip but the rest of my time is spent with girls that I know are going to cater to my every need.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1522613]I couldn't agree more. I visit the DR every six weeks, the north shore specifically, and haven't stepped foot into Sosua in almost two years, no need to. Over the course of multiple trips I keep in contact with top performers and cool chicas and repeat with them. Some guys like a steady variety but with that comes the likelihood of poor performance. I will try one or two new girls every trip but the rest of my time is spent with girls that I know are going to cater to my every need.[/QUOTE]And I have written these same words before. Why go to Sosua, when most of the manhunter chicas on Pedro Clisante actually live in the Puerto Plata barrios or in towns in between.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1522613]I couldn't agree more. I visit the DR every six weeks, the north shore specifically, and haven't stepped foot into Sosua in almost two years, no need to. Over the course of multiple trips I keep in contact with top performers and cool chicas and repeat with them. Some guys like a steady variety but with that comes the likelihood of poor performance. I will try one or two new girls every trip but the rest of my time is spent with girls that I know are going to cater to my every need.[/QUOTE]I was in the DR 6 times last yr. Appx every 2 months. I like the North Coast, but I'm outgrowing Sosua. Where do you stay? The Lomar in PP? I seem to recall a post where you were in Costambar, but I'm sure that requires a car. Puerto Plata definetly could use better hotels!

[QUOTE=Marc Anthony;1521810]Much like Royal Carribean has a cruise ship port at Labadee in Haiti a bit further west up the same very same coast that's regularly called on by the biggest cruise ships in their fleet. Effectively it has zero impact on the local Haitian economy. Many tourists aren't even aware Labadee is in Haiti. Maimon is well west of PP, which for the Sosua economy might as well be on a different island.[/QUOTE]Is being constructed, WILL have a major impact on the Puerto Plata economy. There is a $350 million dollar renovation going on in roads, and building improvements. I am getting my info from a friend who works at the American Consulate. Last night road signs were installed on the malecon. WTF! You might say, well you have to live here to see the changes going on. Some are obvious, some are subtle. Curious about the forementioned road signs, nobody follows them, what is next? Police stopping cars and trucks for traffic violations, that would be a change, for sure. Also, two cruise ships docked in Maimon, distance about 4 miles from Puerto Plata, will fill how many buses? Downtown is preparing for the onslaught of tourists. What happens in Sosua, is mere speculation.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter;1522523]It may be that he partly lived off commissions for taking guys to those places. Not necessarily cash, but free drinks, meals and / or chicas. If he is on a tight budget that could make a difference. I have no evidence for that theory, but it seems strange that someone who knows Sosua well would insist on taking newbies to those venues. Other ex-pats and regular visitors I know, the more time they have spent in Sosua, the more they avoid such places, because they have learned they can get better value elesewhere.[/QUOTE]He has an e-book for sale on Amazon, so I imagine promoting the Cubadave brand name is intended to be a method of marketing. Perhaps sales are not going well.

Since when does going / staying in Sosua limit a guy from having women from Puerto Plata or anywhere else? If a dude has transportation or can use transportation, what difference does it make where he stays at or where he goes for women? Some of the sentiments I'm reading sounds a lot like Cubadave. I'm glad I'm not limited just to pursuing women when I'm in the DR / Sosua.

[QUOTE=Riky Rapido;1522624]And I have written these same words before. Why go to Sosua, when most of the manhunter chicas on Pedro Clisante actually live in the Puerto Plata barrios or in towns in between.[/QUOTE]Why NOT go to Sosua, if it is true that most of the manhunter chicas on Pedro Clisante actually live in the Puerto Plata barrios or in towns in between? Moreover, doesn't that apply to the hundreds of other women that come from all over the DR just to be in Sosua? Again why not go to Sosua if a variety of women from all over are coming directly to you? That includes Haitian women if that is ones choice.

[QUOTE=Grub1; 1522240]I don't want you in that jam bro. If you have to smoke weed, have one person that you only deal with when buying, and never turn the girls your banging on to it. The less people you know the better.

I don't understand guys who take Dominican girls out to eat. Bro, just take them to the Dominican chicken stand on the street and let them get a 200p plate of chicken, beans and rice.

This post by our fellow monger sounds very sincere and I back him on these issues from the experience's I am having right now in Sosua and on my earlier trips. Only after being with a chica a few times do you need to trust her. Never on the first fuck. My home town is no different than sosua when it comes to only dealing with one person for your left handed cigs even if you have to wait a few minutes to get your regular guy it is worth it.[/QUOTE]I respect and honor you and Mr Gogo's warning. I don't think I will ever buy weed from another country (I hope). Smoking weed is like eating a chica pussy. Some do. Some don't and some can't understand the anothers risk taking. As grown men what separate us from boys are the acceptance of the consequences for our actions and not the action itself. Mr Gogo's 10k example is a good reminder of how things can go wrong. I had to smoke on that one! No joke dry humor this time Charles. LOL I am with you of the eating thing but I was out numbered. I was just 150 peso tacos so we thought!

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1522239]What time at night? If before 11PM it's usually pretty slow.[/QUOTE]Like Chris Long said it the vibe for the last few day. It was about 12:51 when I gave that observation

Driving or walking the local people find out pretty dam quick that you are there. If you are driving they know by your 3rd circle around the little town of Sosua and if you are walking they all know by the 2nd day especially when one is loud and drunk. It is like the guy's are saying on here it is best to keep some what of a low profile. These people will set you up if you fuck up by being an asshole or just being a rich dick. So far the DR has been a great place to land but I do relize that 1 fuck up could change the whole game. Word to the wise if you get in any shit settle it with who ever it is before it goes any longer even if you are not in the wrong. It will be cheaper in the long run. Claro. For Sure

Just be respectful to the people and life will be a little better for who ever goes to the DR

[QUOTE=Riky Rapido;1522631]Is being constructed, WILL have a major impact on the Puerto Plata economy. There is a $350 million dollar renovation going on in roads, and building improvements. I am getting my info from a friend who works at the American Consulate. Last night road signs were installed on the malecon. WTF! You might say, well you have to live here to see the changes going on. Some are obvious, some are subtle. Curious about the forementioned road signs, nobody follows them, what is next? Police stopping cars and trucks for traffic violations, that would be a change, for sure. Also, two cruise ships docked in Maimon, distance about 4 miles from Puerto Plata, will fill how many buses? Downtown is preparing for the onslaught of tourists. What happens in Sosua, is mere speculation.[/QUOTE]I grant that there will likely be busloads of tourists dropped off on the malecon and in a other few locations for a few hours. Like tourists at Playa Dorada and other AI's they won't be eating or spending much outside strictly managed venues and rather than being around for a week they will only be around for a few hours. That will certainly make money for a few well connected businesses that can manipulate government to make the necessary investments. Whether it has any real effect on the local economy is questionable.

[QUOTE=Riky Rapido;1522624]And I have written these same words before. Why go to Sosua, when most of the manhunter chicas on Pedro Clisante actually live in the Puerto Plata barrios or in towns in between.[/QUOTE]Mongering in Puerto Plata is not the same vibe that is in Sosua. Wrx2005 hit the nail on the head as far as vibe in Puerto Plata the chicas give you. We spent about 4 hours in PP and I seen very beautiful women there but no eye contact like I get in Sosua. The chicas we were with lived in PP but they avoid Sosua. One said she ended her relationship with her America novio because he couldn't keep this ass out. They claim the clubs have a lot of American tourist, but I haven't got a good word yet. They wanted us to go out with them but no mucho tiempo.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1522782]Mongering in Puerto Plata is not the same vibe that is in Sosua. Wrx2005 hit the nail on the head as far as vibe in Puerto Plata the chicas give you. We spent about 4 hours in PP and I seen very beautiful women there but no eye contact like I get in Sosua.[/QUOTE]I thought that vacation mongering was all about the vibe. If you just want to fuck pussy then you could probably do that anywhere on earth at the local massage parlor or strip club. To me it is the setting that can make all the difference in the world. For instance, I'm in Sao Paulo right now. I can go into any clinica and fuck all types of Brazilian women if I want. But for me it still doesn't compare to being back in Rio (45 minutes flight away) circa the Help days picking up chicks on Copacabana beach. Same chicks, different location, different vibe can make for a totally different sexperience.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1522782]Mongering in Puerto Plata is not the same vibe that is in Sosua. Wrx2005 hit the nail on the head as far as vibe in Puerto Plata the chicas give you. We spent about 4 hours in PP and I seen very beautiful women there but no eye contact like I get in Sosua. The chicas we were with lived in PP but they avoid Sosua. One said she ended her relationship with her America novio because he couldn't keep this ass out. They claim the clubs have a lot of American tourist, but I haven't got a good word yet. They wanted us to go out with them but no mucho tiempo.[/QUOTE]Let me give my insight of what I have experienced over the years with respect to the POP girls and SD girls that have now taken over Sosua. In 2006 most girls in POP were relocating from SD for new opportunity, and also to stay with family members that had relocated to Puerto Plata (POP). You had the resorts, Playa Dorado etc, that had jobs. This was before Punta Cana got hot. POP was an up and coming place. Sosua had the beach and a few clubs where the girls figured they could meet guys to offer the better life along with WU (Western union) , and maybe a new life abroad. Towns like Montellano, La Union, Santiago, and Puerto Plata had girls who could offer these guys from abroad all they could handle. Classsicos was a hot spot for new talent from the nearby cities. These girls were looking for long term. Romance, offers to meet the family, and invitations of a home cooked meal were the norm. Sex was on a GFE basis. Romance was the vibe of Sosua then.

Flash forward to Sosua in 2010, and now you have a Sosua in transition. It had become a hustle with a "New breed" of girls who injected themselves into the Sosua game directly from SD (Santo Domingo). These girls bypassed POP and came strictly to have fun and get paid. They were seasoned, created for the new monger in Sosua who wanted to sport fuck. GFE was no longer the game. These SD huslers had a "game plan". They would work together, live together and got paid together in Sosua. Fuck the extended family members in the outer towns, these girls were on a mission. Also they would be the "new shit" in Sosua. The old regime was smart to retreat to nearby surroundings and frown at this "New breed".

Girls who were looking for that foreign ticket were now in the barrios of POP getting pregnant by Dominicanos, pissed at the younger / more street wise SD transplants in Sosua. The game had passed them by. With the new SD girls takeover of Sosua, girls from the outer towns couldn't compete. They weren't organized and together like the SD girls, and they weren't as streetwise and well versed to the sport fucking game.

So the girls who were from the outside towns retreated to normal life even though they were very bitter at their passed opportunity. Hence, you now have girls in these other towns outside of Sosua who are hoping for one last"man on a White horse in shining armor". Some good girls are now in POP but they want no association with this new Sosua. It takes time to break these girls because they always have to compete with the "New Sosua" being 30 minutes away.

The best way to deal with girls from POP is to tell them you hate Sosua and its hardcore girls and never let them know you visit Sosua.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1522814]I thought that vacation mongering was all about the vibe. If you just want to fuck pussy then you could probably do that anywhere on earth at the local massage parlor or strip club. To me it is the setting that can make all the difference in the world. For instance, I'm in Sao Paulo right now. I can go into any clinica and fuck all types of Brazilian women if I want. But for me it still doesn't compare to being back in Rio (45 minutes flight away) circa the Help days picking up chicks on Copacabana beach. Same chicks, different location, different vibe can make for a totally different sexperience.[/QUOTE]Mr Enternational were having you been!

I have on this trip met and went out with girls who are no hookers from surrounding areas and it is very nice after you have been with so many hookers. These girls are looking for long term like our fellow mongers have discussed on this site. It is very nice for the ladies to cook for you and meet there families. Although I have to admit had I not already had all the pussy I needed it would have been a hard thing to do because these girls are like the good girls back home they are not coming off that shit on the 1st date For Sure. Guys just make sure you get all the pussy you want before looking for a good girl and when you do find her it will be easy for you to act like that not having sex is no big deal and you are willing to wait on it. Local dishes they cook can some times fuck your stomach up so if you plan on eating at a locals house bring some pills for a upset stomach.

The Squirts

So the girls who were from the outside towns retreated to normal life even though they were very bitter at their passed opportunity. Hence, you now have girls in these other towns outside of Sosua who are hoping for one last"man on a White horse in shining armor". Some good girls are now in POP but they want no association with this new Sosua. It takes time to break these girls because they always have to compete with the "New Sosua" being 30 minutes away.

The best way to deal with girls from POP is to tell them you hate Sosua and its hardcore girls and never let them know you visit Sosua.[/QUOTE]Mr Gogo. Man you are soooo right! I notice these chicas seem like they didn't want to complete with the Sosua chicas. My chica was a 6 and my friends 7. They couldn't complete in Sosua and can't take mucho dick. T said his chica was super tight and fell to the floor after they finished. I am average at best and I couldn't go hard and deep. They did seem jealous about the Sosua girls. The SD girls have Sosua on lock. They take the game to another level with the Nicki Minajing. They were looking for long term and my friend and I were the White horses. I kept telling her mi no gusta Sosua. She enjoyed hearing that. We ended up taking them and knocking them off in Santiago but they didn't ask for money. They accepted what ever we gave them at the Airport. I notice both of them didn't even look at the money just threw it in their pockets. I gave my chica 3000 pesos and T wanted to give his 4200 pesos the rest of the money he had but I wouldn't let him do it. I asked him to just give her 3000 and give me the 1200 for the rental car agent checking the vehicle. (T had an accident) I gave this much because it was 2 am, they help us get to the Airport, and they said the wanted to take a cab back to PP (2000 pesos) No buses at that time. Yeah I know they are going to wait for the bus anyway! I didn't want to miss my flight driving around in circles. Here a picture of little miss Nicki Minaj from SD with the butt injections.

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[QUOTE=GrownMan1; 1522984]I asked him to just give her 3000 and give me the 1200 for the rental car agent checking the vehicle.

(T had an accident) [/QUOTE]I take it they let you guys leave the country

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1522844]The best way to deal with girls from POP is to tell them you hate Sosua and its hardcore girls and never let them know you visit Sosua.[/QUOTE]Strong, wise advise from Gogo. To any monger trying to score in Puerto Plata, tattoo this into your brain.

[QUOTE=Grub1;1523000]I take it they let you guys leave the country[/QUOTE]I always keep a good tip just in case. I tip the rental guy 500 pesos and he gave me an up grade from an Economy to a full size SUV. T brushed a tree backing up in Sosua and a guy quoted us 6000 pesos to fix it. A worker at the hotel rub some bond on it but it was still apparent. We tip him 1000 pesos I was dark and he didn't notice it, but the bastard pointed out the car was not on completely full. Maybe 200 pesos off. I told him we just gave him 1000 pesos and he is tripping about maybe 200 peso gas. He wrote on the paper that we were off. I was like WTF! He turned the paper work in to the guy on the inside. I told the guy we just gave him a 1000 peso tip and he in tripping! The guy on the inside made him change it to full. I told him I gave the wrong person a tip. He said the checker was ungrateful, he told the checker that half that tip was his and from now on we know who to tip. I was happy he didn't see the damage T did to the car. I won't forget his ungrateful ass!

I had her twice and she was better the first time. She didn't come back to my room that night as planned. I guess she ran into more money and more dick. The next day during our afternoon session she wasn't the same.

Your experience is why I do not rent cars in the DR. You can secure a huge debt in the blink of an eye in legit and non legit ways. I use the local publicos for travel to PP ad Caberetti. I spend my nights in Sosua when on the north coast and in SD I need a cab to get around. grown you guys were very lucky they missed that scratch. They could have really stuck you up.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1523151]Your experience is why I do not rent cars in the DR. You can secure a huge debt in the blink of an eye in legit and non legit ways. I use the local publicos for travel to PP ad Caberetti. I spend my nights in Sosua when on the north coast and in SD I need a cab to get around. grown you guys were very lucky they missed that scratch. They could have really stuck you up.[/QUOTE]You right! We were going to take a bus but we arrived at STI 3:15 a. M. The cab quoted us $100 to Sosua. The bus didn't leave until 8:30 am. T had no money and forgot to activate his Visa card before we left. He had me hot! I had 2000 pesos and an active Visa. I WU money to myself but at that hour I couldn't get to a store. He said we will just use his phone for navigation to Sosua. After we got the car, T asked me for a charger because he ran down his battery playing game on the way there. I flipped "why the hell would I have a charger for a phone a don't own". We drove to Sosua 4:00 am in the blind. Lucky for us it was an easy and the signs were very visible (Hwy 1 to Hwy 5). I drove (T eye sight badatnight) but I was scared not knowing the scene. I don't advise Anyone to do that! I asked T WFT he would have done if I didn't come with him and I didn't plan this trip but that's my dawg!

You had booked an Economy car from the US and got a full size suv as a free upgrade for 500 pesos? Seriously? The rate difference can be as high as $40/50 per day not including the stupid 20% or so of taxes. This was at STI?

I had 2 session in the morning and afternoon no leche. I think it was the pain pill I took. That night I need to release bad. I need a chica that will let me beat it up. I stay away from the thick hardcore chicas, but I remember my man OlK advice. Treat a hardcore with respect and she will surprise you. There she was 5'10 190 and she looked like she had nuts in her pants. I need a thoroughbred. I was out of my zone but I'm on vacation. 1500 pesos deal and I explain to her I am going hard, deep and we are going to have fun. JACKPOT! Mami is a Gemini like me. She stay all night and the repeated in the morning. I choked, slap, pulled her weed, and used a finger vibrator. Duro mami fuck me duro! D She loved it! That pussy creamed! T said we made his dick so hard just listening. I let her try on 4 outfits until she picked her 1. Course I got pictures for yall.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1523171]I had 2 session in the morning and afternoon no leche. I think it was the pain pill I took. That night I need to release bad. I need a chica that will let me beat it up. I stay away from the thick hardcore chicas, but I remember my man OlK advice. Treat a hardcore with respect and she will surprise you. There she was 5'10 190 and she looked like she had nuts in her pants. I need a thoroughbred. I was out of my zone but I'm on vacation. 1500 pesos deal and I explain to her I am going hard, deep and we are going to have fun. JACKPOT! Mami is a Gemini like me. She stay all night and the repeated in the morning. I choked, slap, pulled her weed, and used a finger vibrator. Duro mami fuck me duro! D She loved it! That pussy creamed! T said we made his dick so hard just listening. I let her try on 4 outfits until she picked her 1. Course I got pictures for yall.[/QUOTE]She looks like a linebacker, did you bareback her?

I have a lady semi pro in SD. Cute but no real beauty. However she gives a 100% in the sack and is very sweet. She like being with me and is grateful for what I give her. Most guys would just walk by her but she is a real treat and the sex is so nice. If you can gain a chicas trust she will show you her freak side. All you have to do is be ready to rumble. Thanks for the shot out.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1523171]I had 2 session in the morning and afternoon no leche. I think it was the pain pill I took. That night I need to release bad. I need a chica that will let me beat it up. I stay away from the thick hardcore chicas, but I remember my man OlK advice. Treat a hardcore with respect and she will surprise you. There she was 5'10 190 and she looked like she had nuts in her pants. I need a thoroughbred. I was out of my zone but I'm on vacation. 1500 pesos deal and I explain to her I am going hard, deep and we are going to have fun. JACKPOT! Mami is a Gemini like me. She stay all night and the repeated in the morning. I choked, slap, pulled her weed, and used a finger vibrator. Duro mami fuck me duro! D She loved it! That pussy creamed! T said we made his dick so hard just listening. I let her try on 4 outfits until she picked her 1. Course I got pictures for yall.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1523160]T had no money and forgot to activate his Visa card before we left. He had me hot![/QUOTE]Probably more like "[i]conveniently[/i] forgot to activate his Visa card before we left", lmao!

Do people in DR are racist to dark skin people. I just read in a article that they are. I really don't understand this because some dominican people are dark skin too. I'm a dark skin person. Will I have any problems with people down there!

[QUOTE=Sparta25;1523394]Do people in DR are racist to dark skin people. I just read in a article that they are. I really don't understand this because some dominican people are dark skin too. I'm a dark skin person. Will I have any problems with people down there![/QUOTE]Not in the town of sosua. They are lots of people of all different colors having the time of there lives fucking girls they thought they could never have in this life time. But as we all have discussed previously on this site the DR is a racist country so when travelling out of the town of sosua just make sure your passport is in good order and in most cases they will be no problems when they see you are not from Haiti.

[QUOTE=Sparta25;1523394]Do people in DR are racist to dark skin people. I just read in a article that they are. I really don't understand this because some dominican people are dark skin too. I'm a dark skin person. Will I have any problems with people down there![/QUOTE]Many Dominicans have antipathy towards Haitians, who are generally darker skinned than Dominicans, so that is part of the story. A Dominican woman I knew in the US immediately identified a passing street person as a "Haitiano", based on his color, though he was not Haitian at all.

However as a visitor to the DR what is most important is your demeanor, language, dress, behavior, and the money that you are spending on goods and services, so you are unlikely to encounter direct discrimination based on skin tint in places where you are readily identifiable as a tourist. At least no more so than in the US or the UK (which might not be saying much.)

In my opinion, a dark skin American gets different treatment than a dark or light skin Haitian the DR once their nationality established. Though very apparent Dominicans have a history of not identifying or embracing their African mixed bloodline. Like it or not it was a major political movement that their Powers that be felt was the best interests for their country's future. Unlike Cuba, their country was built on their Spanish embracement and African disassociation. They have received far more embracement from the world in all areas of economic, cultural, and political gains from this move. This is why African American aren't treated like African Haitian. They are American! If I country want to survive on is side of the Western Hemisphere, the good graces of Americans is 110% essential. All along the southern coast of DR African slaves were used for plantation labor. These African mated and infused with the Spanish, Native Dominican and Eurocentric population. Acknowledging only one side of Nationality. For them black is a color and not a Nationality. As a result, you get a noticeable darker skin along the southern coast than the Northern Coast were African slave labor were not as essential to the economy. Embracing their noticeable African bloodline does nothing for the Dominican. They don't have or need a good acceptance from Africa. They were not Caucasians, but they are not the crazy dark skin Haitians who at one time in history controlled them. The Haitian emancipated themselves from the French and destroyed all the economic Eurocentric investment as a result of there fight for freedom. They are still suffering from this move today. No major companies invest in poorer Haiti. They had a good trade relationship between the two sides. Dominican later block the borders turning on their Haitian neighbors and running them back into Haiti killing thousands. Today the Haitian are still not loved but are weakly tolerated and charged I think annually to come and work. Hence you see a large amounts Haitian chicas in major tourist area trying to make some cash.

And you will find these chicas to be less likely to want to have problems with the law. I took my Haitian chica with me to the Airport and I could read the fear in her eyes as she walk my the police official.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1523200]She looks like a linebacker, did you bareback her?[/QUOTE]Naww dude! But I know she was game for whatever!

Yes sir it was STI. I only tipped him after the up grade. He did say if he needed the car they will come to the hotel and exchange it. He gave me a good history lesson and liked the fact I was intrigued. The down side was we really didn't need it. I just cost us more gas money.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1520341]Your caption reads Jan 3 Sosua. I would think that that would be one of the worst times to travel to Sosua looking for an abundance of talent. IMO, thats the time when most chicas are back home with their families enjoying the fruit of their labor. I sincerely expect things to change at the end of the month, as we near Super Bowl week. Thats the time chicas come out of the woodwork to descend on Sosua once again to make that money.[/QUOTE]What you say has merit.

Their bigotry is part of their culture. Combined with a low education level these view are allowed to grow unchecked. Almost every Dominican np matter their skin tone thinks they are white. Now for us tourist the color they see is green. It trumps all the other BS. The vast majority of Dominicans would be considered black in the US. This fact would shock them.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1523457]Many Dominicans have antipathy towards Haitians, who are generally darker skinned than Dominicans, so that is part of the story. A Dominican woman I knew in the US immediately identified a passing street person as a "Haitiano", based on his color, though he was not Haitian at all.

However as a visitor to the DR what is most important is your demeanor, language, dress, behavior, and the money that you are spending on goods and services, so you are unlikely to encounter direct discrimination based on skin tint in places where you are readily identifiable as a tourist. At least no more so than in the US or the UK (which might not be saying much.) [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Frannie;1523457]Many Dominicans have antipathy towards Haitians, who are generally darker skinned than Dominicans, so that is part of the story.[/QUOTE]Is the antipathy because of color or because of history? Haiti once ruled the D. R and later, during the dictatorship of Trujillo, wasn't there a bloodbath of real of imagined Haitians along the river separating Haiti from the D. R?

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1523510]Yes sir it was STI. I only tipped him after the up grade. He did say if he needed the car they will come to the hotel and exchange it. He gave me a good history lesson and liked the fact I was intrigued. The down side was we really didn't need it. I just cost us more gas money.[/QUOTE]You are right; on normal roads, there is definitely no need for SUV and as you said, those are gas guzzlers too. I am surprised nonetheless. Which car rental company was this and how much was your original daily rate for the economy car you had rented?

Thanks

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1523171]I let her try on 4 outfits until she picked her 1. Course I got pictures for yall.[/QUOTE]What you didn't get any booty shots Grown? Haha

Good explanation OldKool, but it goes a little deeper from the Dominican standpoint. What you say is true, but it is a long, brutal, history associated with Haiti that contributes to the hatred of anything linked to Africa and blackness. To acknowledge the acceptance of possibly being black would also acknowledge Haiti. But the facts are in the skin tone.

Its the reason that I could never take a Dominicana seriously. To deny the color of ones history is to deny ones self now. The knowledge is knowing. But to deny what is obvious to the eye, and tell otherwise, is either ignorant or arrogant.

Morena and blanquita being most popular when describing their colors, sorry for my spelling.

Strangely enough, one chica can call some other girl 'morena' instead of señorita.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto; 1523589]You are right; on normal roads, there is definitely no need for SUV and as you said, those are gas guzzlers too. I am surprised nonetheless. Which car rental company was this and how much was your original daily rate for the economy car you had rented?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Thriffy it was 40 with insurance.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender;1523642]What you didn't get any booty shots Grown? Haha[/QUOTE]You right I was being kool.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender;1523642]What you didn't get any booty shots Grown? Haha[/QUOTE]You right was trying to kool. Here a few more

That truly is a lot of women. Pack a lunch for this one.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1523789]You right was trying to kool. Here a few more[/QUOTE]

New to the forum, and International mongering. Thank you to those who are providing great info, Still trying to put all the pieces together for a Sosua trip.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1523507]And you will find these chicas to be less likely to want to have problems with the law. I took my Haitian chica with me to the Airport and I could read the fear in her eyes as she walk my the police official.[/QUOTE]LOL. But a very sad thing

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo; 1523649]Good explanation OldKool, but it goes a little deeper from the Dominican standpoint. What you say is true, but it is a long, brutal, history associated with Haiti that contributes to the hatred of anything linked to Africa and blackness. To acknowledge the acceptance of possibly being black would also acknowledge Haiti. But the facts are in the skin tone.

Its the reason that I could never take a Dominicana seriously. To deny the color of ones history is to deny ones self now. The knowledge is knowing. But to deny what is obvious to the eye, and tell otherwise, is either ignorant or arrogant.[/QUOTE]Easy to say from a utopian viewpoint. You are not in their situation nor would you trade places with your targeted group.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1522310]I think every time we attempt to define or describe the Sosua scene, a different day, a different week, a different month, a different vacation, a different set of chicas or a different monger, the experience one may have can change in an instant. One mans lousy vacation / day / night does not set the tone for every other monger. And it surely doesn't mean a monger needs to go elsewhere. The last 3 vacations (Oct, Nov and Dec) , mostly were positive and very fulfilling. Take a guy like CubaDave. Because one of his prized mongering destinations is closed, he seems to be depressed or very disappointed in his last trip. So much so he left early. Whats he going to do, go back to Costa Rica because of that? Should any of us be thinking of going elsewhere because he or others had a bad trip or observed chicas asking for too much or offering poor service?

Another guy may go to Sosua and have a blast. One major factor that can make a difference, is timing. Another I think, is some people are spoiled, and can't seem to make an adjustment or adapt. So what, Monday may be dead. If it was me, I'd save some leche for another day. Or find something else to do with my time. I think enough guys that come to Sosua for vacation, rely too much on chicas from the clubs / bars. Maybe they have to because that is all they know, or thats all they have time for?

A dude can create options and opportunities if he is willing to go outside of his comfort zone. I'll be there next week, and I'm almost sure my mileage may differ than what some guys are reporting / observing. For one, I know about 6 sureshot chicas I can hook up with. I won't need to rely soley on the chicas on the strip to meet my needs. But even then, I'm sure I will indulge in a few on the strip during the time I'll be down there.[/QUOTE]If you keep in touch with a few chicas you can always have a little black book to fall back on. Of course the downside is, talking to them while back home will certainly get them asking for $$. I have a few "freebies" (non pros) but of course we all know they cost more. LOL! But nice to have on a slow Monday IMO

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo; 1523649]Good explanation OldKool, but it goes a little deeper from the Dominican standpoint. What you say is true, but it is a long, brutal, history associated with Haiti that contributes to the hatred of anything linked to Africa and blackness. To acknowledge the acceptance of possibly being black would also acknowledge Haiti. But the facts are in the skin tone.

Its the reason that I could never take a Dominicana seriously. To deny the color of ones history is to deny ones self now. The knowledge is knowing. But to deny what is obvious to the eye, and tell otherwise, is either ignorant or arrogant.[/QUOTE]Yes indeed

Haitians dominated the Island back in 1840s. Every since then they have been vilified and demeaned. The recent action taking away citizen ship from those who have some Haitian blood is right out of the 1800s. If your grandparent was of Haitian decent you might no longer be considered a Dominican ciitzen even though you have never been to haiti. No one would believe this but it is true. There are 2 things on Hispanola I like, the women and the music. I would not be surprised to see a revolution in the Dr. The conditions for average citizens are very hard. Wages for an average worker pays for half of what is needed to live. 5 % of the population live like kings while the others struggle to eat every day.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;1524187]Yes indeed[/QUOTE]

I have not seen any reconnoissance lately. Is any one in Sosua? I understand things have likely moved to the discos with CMP and Passons closing. Where are people finding interesting things at?

I am doing in a month and like to research the are first so I put a map together of places I have herd about on sites like this and some of hobotraveler and Cuba dave videos. Here is a lonk to what I have so far. It should get better after I go.

How is the price structure now?

[url]https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=203017989284325362300.0004f0cf447da113a7d88&msa=0&ll=19.763796[/url]-70. 515425&spn=0. 013469, 0.019591

[QUOTE=Mattco;1523964]If you keep in touch with a few chicas you can always have a little black book to fall back on. Of course the downside is, talking to them while back home will certainly get them asking for $$. I have a few "freebies" (non pros) but of course we all know they cost more. LOL! But nice to have on a slow Monday IMO[/QUOTE]Well I'm on the ground in Sosua. Got here Saturday. Was thinking of my blondie chica lately, so after getting in my place and a little shopping, I called her. Said she was home in Santiago. She said she was coming to Sosua, will be there around 11pm (in spanish ). I never set foot on the strip.

Sunday night wasnt sure who I was going to call, but I was thinking of my restaurant chica on the beach. Didn't call her initially, but I went to get a pedicure in the afternoon. Towards the end of my pedi, the chica in the salon seemed receptive so I expressed interest and we agreed to get together when she got off at 7. Came by at 7, she wasnt in the salon. Called her but there was so much noise in the background, couldn't hear shit. Told her to text me, no text. So immediately I went to plan B. One of my adopted policies is not to waste too much time on flaky females / situations.

Called my restaurant chica, she was home? Got herself together and was in Sosua around 9pm. Stopped for some pizza, and off to my spot. So yes, mi hermano, having backups can be worthwhile. The benefit is you know what to expect in the bedroom. No concerns of scams or unnecessary BS. Negotiating is usually not necessary, nor is money discussed. You already know what you are going to give her. Main problem though, is once you make contact, you might have to deal with them trying to monopolize your time, or assume you plan on seeing them everyday. You see them everyday, they expect to be getting paid everyday. This chica no longer works at the restaurant. So unfortunately now she will be available every day.

Thats not good for me. I like when chicas are working and not readily available. I've learned though. One of the best chica repellents in existence IMO, is to just tell a chica you don't have any money. You tell them that, and more likely than not, that chica will be ghost. I remember one chica last month that was persistently pestering me about getting together again and again. It wasnt until I told her I didnt have any money, that she made a complete 180 and just said ok amor, and stopped calling. It was like magic. Any other excuse and the pestering would continue to no end.

[QUOTE=Shamester;1523903]You are not in their situation nor would you trade places with your targeted group.[/QUOTE]Pretty silly argument. I would not trade places with an Al-Qaeda suicide bomber but it doesn't mean I cannot justifiably condemn their philosophy.

Noticed a shitload of mongers in Sosua. From what I'm hearing most hotels especially the popular ones are booked solid. I took a ride down to Villa Chessa way down by Playa Chiquita. Spoke briefly to the owner and he said he was booked solid all the way until March. Now thats saying something. Especially for an establishment that is way away from the strip. I think Rockys, Mary Rose, and Sosua Suites is booked solid too. As are most of the hotels, including Seabreeze. I helped a buddy of mine with his reservation at Condos Margarita more than a month ago. I asked by friend J to call and follow up to make sure all was good with his reservation. They tried to pull a fast one, claiming they made a mistake. That they had already booked the same condo / apt to another party. The truth more likely, the other party was probably longer term than my 2 friends.

They were going to move them to another CM owned property near Banca Reserves. After some shame tactics on my part, I eventually got a text back saying they had their original reservation. And thats the problem when there is no cash deposit on reservations. 1st come does not always mean 1st served. The other party may or not have been regulars at CM like my friends. But many of these hotels go by who will earn them the most money. Most of these hotels won't tell you they changed your preferred room / apt. You find that shit out when you get there.

I've had that happen when staying at one of Ricks places. But I have been flexible with Rick because he is a stand up guy. He will work things out for a customer. But he is a business man, and sometimes in the hotel business a little juggling of clients or potential clients is necessary.

Passions and CMP is closed. And the only reason I know is because I have to pass by there. Plenty of fresh faces in the chica department. A few guys I know who have been to the strip report a major influx of old and fresh chicas in Rumba and D'Latins and Sosua overall. While sitting at Rockys in the early evening I notice plenty of new chicas in town. I see plenty of regulars walking around. I'm sure all of these chicas are going to be feeling the fierce competition for clients. Don't be fooled though. Some of these chicas are going to be aiming high when it comes to pricing out their services. I'm sure they recognize newness when they see it. Even the new chicas are going to be aiming high because they were trained / advised to do so.

Guys are going to have to shoot that shit down. Unfortunately, I think there are going to be too many hungry / thirsty pussy starved dudes in town who won't have the time, skill, nor the patience to negotiate. Mind you, Super Bowl is days away. Each day that passes up until then, IMO it's going to be wall to wall mongers and chicas in town. I'm already seeing the classic mobs of dudes walking down the street together. So I expect to see more of that the closer we get to SBS. Haven't been to Sosua playa yet. But I did go to Caberete Sunday afternoon. Cabarete looked like it was jam packed with tourists. Didn't venture out on the beach because I stayed in Kahuna to play pool. But the venders were in usual form. Like crosstown buses, one after the other going up to people to try to sell the same stuff the previous vender 2 seconds ago had. Looking out on the beach, left and right, beach was full and all of the restaurants looked full. I'm pretty sure they had much business all night long.

Be extra careful guys. A certain % of mongers are going to have a problem on their vacation. There is going to be reports of thefts, robberies, scams and whatnot. A friend of mine just reported to me that he believes money was stolen out of his safe in Hotel Europa. He says he makes it a practice of always counting his money and knowing what he has on hand. But this one time after he came from being out (his room was cleaned) he eventually checked his money and he was short a a 2000 peso and a couple of 1000 pesos. So says he is so sure what he had that he knows somebody has been in his safe. So now he is looking to get out of there.

I recommend right now to any monger. Make sure you know how much and what you have on you at all times. Don't just blindly spend money and don't know what you have. Don't leave things out that can easily be picked up, and forgot about. Also, consider rigging things in your room so you'll know if something has been tampered with while you are out. For instance, you put something in or on your safe that only you know about. Take a picture of how you left your room or the object. Set up a trap so that if they go there, they cause a mess or an alert (like spilling a cup of water / juice etc / set off an alarm ).

So far it's been 2 days. I got 32 more to go. So I'll be here when most folks leave after SBW. To be continued.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter;1524639]Pretty silly argument. I would not trade places with an Al-Qaeda suicide bomber but it doesn't mean I cannot justifiably condemn their philosophy.[/QUOTE]Again. Get off your missionary attitude.

The only places I have ever stayed in Sosua are Europa and Sosua Bay. Neither me nor my friends have ever had a problem of theft by hotel employees (thieving chicas yes). But if I suspected I would have a problem then: [url]http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B006WA9Z26[/url]

The times that I have been travelling and thought that I had been got, I later remember that I broke the bill down when I paid for something. It happens more than you would think; especially in countries that use high-denomination bills such as 1000s. You think you have a lot, but they go quickly.

Any recommendations on which cell phone provider to go with in Sosua? Will be staying for three weeks next month and plan on buying a cheap phone that I can just load with minutes versus paying for a plan. Any advice would be appreciated, not looking for a smart phone, just a very inexpensive phone.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1524689]The only places I have ever stayed in Sosua are Europa and Sosua Bay. Neither me nor my friends have ever had a problem of theft by hotel employees (thieving chicas yes). But if I suspected I would have a problem then:

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The times that I have been travelling and thought that I had been got, I later remember that I broke the bill down when I paid for something. It happens more than you would think; especially in countries that use high-denomination bills such as 1000s. You think you have a lot, but they go quickly.[/QUOTE]I guess the idea is, you put a label over the safe door, or anything where you have a separation of parts (like an entrance doorway or sliding glass door ), so that if the two parts are split one would have to break the label?

With my friend, I do suspect he was got by somebody. But I don't think he's certain if it was Europa staff, or a long term resident, or any company he had. He moved to another room in Europa. I do know what you say. Dominican pesos go quick. My friend had only been there for 2 days, so I'm inclined to believe he knew how much he spent and how much he should have left in that amount of time.

Eventually made it to the playa. Only saw a few chicas walking on the beach. Was in Rumba last night around 8, and there was only a few chicas in there. Pretty dead. Walked past D'Latins and it was dead as well (but to be expected at that hour ). All the rest of the bars right in the vicinity were just sprinkled with customers. I think the restaurants were doing okay as far as people coming to eat. I saw enough chicas out and about, but much of what I saw were average looking chicas. Plenty of pudgy / thick girls around too. (not my preference ).

Thats all I know as of 10:00PM. Whatever happened after that I have no clue. Sat at Rockys for about an hour and didn't see as many chicas passing by as I'm used to. One chica that passed by Rocky my buddy flirted with her briefly. She was a cute redbone wearing a yellow dress. Pretty sexy, with a nice round ass, the high heels, nails, hair and makeup in place etc. She looked like she was ready for D'Latins instead of Rumba. He tried to get a feel for what she was looking for $$$. She said she wanted 2000 for an hour. He wasnt that interested but he told her 2000 would be for 2 hours, not an hour. She apparently told him "oh you want 1000 per hour?". Eventually she just walked away to search for clients.

About 4 in the afternoon, I did meet a cute personable chica walking while I was sitting in my car near Baileys. Said she was from San Pedro. I took her number. Once I left my parking spot and went around the block, I saw her again on PC and Dr Rosen. She was definitely on the prowl. Which didn't impress me much at 4 in the afternoon. She would probably have been good for a quick nasty snack, but nothing more. Spent the night alone. So I saved money and leche for another day. Got to pace myself. Still got 31 days to go.

[QUOTE=Surfer500; 1524727]Any recommendations on which cell phone provider to go with in Sosua? Will be staying for three weeks next month and plan on buying a cheap phone that I can just load with minutes versus paying for a plan. Any advice would be appreciated, not looking for a smart phone, just a very inexpensive phone.

Thanks[/QUOTE]The best thing to do is buy a somewhat cheap UNlocked phone on Ebay. Then, where ever you travel, just buy a sim card and minutes. I have a Orange sim card in the DR.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1525005]The best thing to do is buy a somewhat cheap UNlocked phone on Ebay. Then, where ever you travel, just buy a sim card and minutes. I have a Orange sim card in the DR.[/QUOTE]I have a claro card in my DR phone, but it dosent recieve calls or texts if it rains to hard. LOL. Go Orange!

[QUOTE=Brother P;1525061]I have a claro card in my DR phone, but it dosent recieve calls or texts if it rains to hard. LOL. Go Orange![/QUOTE]I now have Claro but I miss my Orange! Service a little better and the price was the same.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1525077]I now have Claro but I miss my Orange! Service a little better and the price was the same.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the feedback from everyone, I'm going to go to Orange and purchase the cheapest phone they have in there store in Sosua. I may be paying a little bit more for the phone but if I have a problem while in Sosua I can just take it back to the store to fix any problems.

Gone through that plenty of times myself. Chicas you get with, and might even start getting attached to. They like you back and you help them out a little bit, the moment you say you have no money to give to them, they disappear. And then you remember."that's right. Should I really be surprised?" With a couple chicas I have been surprised and didn't expect them to bounce. One chica spent three days with me, we enjoyed talking to each other and had a good time. Helped her out a little bit, knowing in the back of my head that she lives in a relatively poor country and cannot afford things. But I started to get annoyed when I'd get a whatsapp message asking for xxxx pesos and the conversion rate to dollars and that it was needed immediately for [insert reason here]. The moment I said "sorry, I'd like to help out but I have bills to pay this week and can't do so." I received a curse filled response that ended with a "I never really liked you, I knew this from the moment I saw you. You are a fool, no girl will ever want to be with you when you can't even give them money. Only a real man helps a woman out financially. You are not man." (it was in Spanish)

I shook my head in disappointment, and amazement at how a person could switch just like that. But really, I should have known this. Sometimes you learn the hard way.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1524631]Well I'm on the ground in Sosua. Got here Saturday. Was thinking of my blondie chica lately, so after getting in my place and a little shopping, I called her. Said she was home in Santiago. She said she was coming to Sosua, will be there around 11pm (in spanish ). I never set foot on the strip.

Sunday night wasnt sure who I was going to call, but I was thinking of my restaurant chica on the beach. Didn't call her initially, but I went to get a pedicure in the afternoon. Towards the end of my pedi, the chica in the salon seemed receptive so I expressed interest and we agreed to get together when she got off at 7. Came by at 7, she wasnt in the salon. Called her but there was so much noise in the background, couldn't hear shit. Told her to text me, no text. So immediately I went to plan B. One of my adopted policies is not to waste too much time on flaky females / situations.

Called my restaurant chica, she was home? Got herself together and was in Sosua around 9pm. Stopped for some pizza, and off to my spot. So yes, mi hermano, having backups can be worthwhile. The benefit is you know what to expect in the bedroom. No concerns of scams or unnecessary BS. Negotiating is usually not necessary, nor is money discussed. You already know what you are going to give her. Main problem though, is once you make contact, you might have to deal with them trying to monopolize your time, or assume you plan on seeing them everyday. You see them everyday, they expect to be getting paid everyday. This chica no longer works at the restaurant. So unfortunately now she will be available every day.

Thats not good for me. I like when chicas are working and not readily available. I've learned though. One of the best chica repellents in existence IMO, is to just tell a chica you don't have any money. You tell them that, and more likely than not, that chica will be ghost. I remember one chica last month that was persistently pestering me about getting together again and again. It wasnt until I told her I didn't have any money, that she made a complete 180 and just said ok amor, and stopped calling. It was like magic. Any other excuse and the pestering would continue to no end.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Puntz79; 1525157]Gone through that plenty of times myself. Chicas you get with, and might even start getting attached to. They like you back and you help them out a little bit, the moment you say you have no money to give to them, they disappear. And then you remember."that's right. Should I really be surprised?" With a couple chicas I have been surprised and didn't expect them to bounce. One chica spent three days with me, we enjoyed talking to each other and had a good time. Helped her out a little bit, knowing in the back of my head that she lives in a relatively poor country and cannot afford things. But I started to get annoyed when I'd get a whatsapp message asking for xxxx pesos and the conversion rate to dollars and that it was needed immediately for [insert reason here]. The moment I said "sorry, I'd like to help out but I have bills to pay this week and can't do so." I received a curse filled response that ended with a "I never really liked you, I knew this from the moment I saw you. You are a fool, no girl will ever want to be with you when you can't even give them money. Only a real man helps a woman out financially. You are not man." (it was in Spanish)

I shook my head in disappointment, and amazement at how a person could switch just like that. But really, I should have known this. Sometimes you learn the hard way.[/QUOTE]What you just shared should be stickied somewhere here on ISG because guys need to know and / or be reinforced that much of what they see and experience from these chicas is all an act. In principle, the way that chica turned on you is how it is in general in life.

I'm sure you know this already. We have all seen how it is after lending somebody some money. They are as friendly as Caspar (the friendly ghost) before they get the money. But when it's time to pay back, their attitude changes to contempt for you. 'If I knew you were going to be sweating me like this for this money, I wouldn't have borrowed it. ' They will use any excuse to have a problem with you, so they don't have to pay you back.

Dealing with chicas in this p4p game aint much different, just that the context of the game is different. Many of these chicas arent content with simple p4p. What I call pay per use. No. I believe it is psychologically fulfilling for many of these chicas to steer their interactions with men to make it seem as if they got something going on besides p4p. Thats why I think it looks so silly seeing dudes leaving the strip walking down the street holding hands with these girls. It's bad enough seeing it with guys playing the role like they have a relationship with any of these girls while he is in his own country.

These chicas are very convincing. They may start off with a shit load of syrupy behavior to try to get you emotionally attached and sucked in, and repeating the same dumb shit they are saying to you. Like "I miss you","Te amo", calling you "mi amor:, mi vida etc etc. Weve all seen it. It's all good when they do it, but when you find yourself saying that shit back, many of these girls think they are tying you emotionally to them. The idea is, it can and has made it easier for them to get to their goal of eventually testing a dudes "feelings" for them. You said you miss me too. You said you love me. You call me love, sweetheart so I expect you to show your love once I start giving you some of my problems to solve. Chicas don't always ask for shit, they simply tell you their problems and then expect you to "feel" sorry for their predicament. She saw / heard you say you miss her. That you care for her. So now it's time to deliver.

Of course some chicas don't have time to waste so they come straight to the point of what they claim to need. Of course enough of these women are not looking at their behavior as prostitution, nor do they think they are doing anything wrong by juggling several dudes at the same time, and trying to get shit from all of them. Even when they get busted, they find a way to rationalize and lie their way out of shit. This whole p4p game is a game of wits. It's chess it aint checkers. But once a dude is aware of whats going on, he can be an awesome force and still have fun with these chicas.

Just yesterday, this one chica I know found out I was back in Sosua. She asked me where I was. I said I was with friends at Rockys. What does this chica do? 10 minutes later she shows up there. She got a quick surprise. 2 of us sitting there talking had already fucked her, and my friend next to me had just got her number 3 nights ago. So when she rolls up to Rockys, she got a huge surprise and tried to play it off as if she was just walking by. The transparency of many of these chicas is amazing. The only thing important to her is making that money.

But to read her texts and the syrupy icons she sends me through whatsapp and viber you would think she really has feelings for me. But the thing is several dudes are all getting the same messages from this chica. She briefly stands around in Rockys, I semi ignore her and continue socializing with the guys. She leaves and texts me a minute later asking me do I want to "frikki frikki conmi". I said yeah, but again when I have dinero. She shoots back. I want to be with you, you can give me when you have. I wasnt ready for that one. I thought just telling her I have no money now would solve the pestering, but it didn't.

Basically I just stuck to my guns. I just told her, I don't want to have to pay her later. I will wait until I have money. That worked. She did shoot back "Plis". I just ignored her. And would have ignored her if she kept going after I already told her the deal. 4 days in, last 2 days no juice from any chicas. Slept solo. I want to fuck who I want to fuck, and when I want to fuck. I'm in no rush. It's your vacation/time/money. You are the prize catch. They are just selling a service. Dont let chicas take charge or the lead. Brothers dont forget that.

One chica I met last month, already asked me to bring her a Galaxy phone as a gift. I ignored that request then. But in typical form, these chicas will come right back and try again, again and again. They don't think that when you ignored their request the 1st time, that maybe they shouldn't be asking for shit. That doesn't enter their brain. They simply try again and again until they get a definitive response. IMO they are persistent in trying a dude because they probably think a dude is emotionally attached to them after having had sex with them, and them seeing him cum and him enjoying their bodies. Persistence sometimes pays off. Thats why panhandlers, touts, change guys, venders ect keep coming around and asking the same people over and over again even though they got a no before.

This same chica texts me again a month later asking for a Galaxy phone. When I got to Sosua this Sat, I didn't tell her I was here. But I eventually mentioned it to her. She acted surprised when I told her I was here already. Her concern was, she wanted to be here when I was here because she has been pushing the idea that she likes me and that she has feelings for me. That I could be her novio. At the very least, her not in Sosua means some other chica is getting whats "hers". She throws me a test question in text after my revelation of being in Sosua already."Tu no quiero mi?" I used that question as an opportunity to straighten this chica out.

I said yes I want you. I thought you were already here in Sosua. She said, I haven't been to Sosua since I left on Dec 28 (I left on the 19th of Dec ). I told her you know I left on the 19th. I know I am not the only man you spent time with before I got there or after I left you there in Dec, so I wasnt expecting you to make time only for me. I went on to say, I want us to have an honest friendship. I know you don't come to Sosua just for me, so lets not act like you are coming to be with me only. After that convo, I think I caught her off guard. Because I think she was convinced I was totally absorbed with her predatory love.

I think a lot of these chicas think like that when they get with a dude much older than them. They act like the older dude will do anything to keep young women interested in being with him. They tend to under estimate some of us as all being thirsty horny men with no options. Possibly I don't think I will get any more requests for a phone or her asking me to send her money so she can be with her kids and not have to come to Sosua. Yeah she tried that one too. I almost forgot about that one. The most I suspect from her now, is her whining about me not trying to get with her as much she wants. I'm supposed to get an ego boost every time she wants to spend time with me. Meanwhile it's really all about pursuing the money. Spending time, means getting paid. Thats their main goal.

What do we all do when we need cash? We go to the ATM. What do the chicas do when they need cash? Just step outside. The streets are their ATM. Just remember that and put that in the front of your mind.

'How chicas trying to squeeze extra cash from you and what to do about it' or something like that.

I've been reading your reports for quite some time and they have a cold shower effect when I'm about to be carried away.

Not always pleasant, but definitely required reading for any of us, thanks for posts.

P. S. I agree that bringing them new Galaxy would be stupid, however, older Galaxies available at Amazon or Ebay for 50-100 bucks. Older Galaxies may serve as incentive and / or tips for anal or some other crazy shit you want to do with her LOL. Worked for me.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1525224]What you just shared should be stickied somewhere here on ISG because guys need to know and / or be reinforced that much of what they see and experience from these chicas is all an act. In principle, the way that chica turned on you is how it is in general in life.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1525257]One chica I met last month, already asked me to bring her a Galaxy phone as a gift. I ignored that request then. But in typical form, these chicas will come right back and try again, again and again. They don't think that when you ignored their request the 1st time, that maybe they shouldn't be asking for shit.[/QUOTE]It's not complicated. Just tell them to give you 40000 pesos and you will buy it and bring it back for them next time. That will stop all of that. The problem is when they see cake daddies doing it for their friends or guys buying them on ebay passing them out. Why even put the thought in their heads by opening up that can of worms? You are still going to get the pussy like everybody else and it's not going to feel any different. You think her mouth will get wetter when she sucks your dick because you gave her a phone? The girls don't realize how much these things cost. They think we get them significantly cheaper, which we don't. They also think we are rich because we have trained them to think that way by doing shit like that. My girlfriend has a BlackBerry. I have a Galaxy S1. A couple of months ago we were talking about how we didn't like iPhones. She said that she wanted to get her a Galaxy S4. I told her that I hope she had an extra 40000 pesos laying around, because that is how much they cost. That is two months salary for her. She hasn't wanted a Galaxy S4 since.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1525293]They also think we are rich because we have trained them to think that way by doing shit like that.[/QUOTE]They can easily check out prices in US, but they want it for free.

Despite the fact that these chicas by the level of relative income belong to the upper middle class in DR, they still trying to squeeze it out of us.

I probably will not call one of my favorite chicas next time I'm in DR just because I'm tired of hearing this Galaxy BS.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1525096]I'm going to go to Orange and purchase the cheapest phone they have in there store in Sosua. I may be paying a little bit more for the phone but if I have a problem while in Sosua I can just take it back to the store to fix any problems.[/QUOTE]Not knocking your plan, it could be the best option, but never assume that problems will be solved, guarantees or contracts will be honored, promises will be kept, or goods supplied will be to the correct specification and not defective, anywhere in the DR, with any company. If they can fuck a customer over they will do so, especially if that customer is a gringo.

Obviously some entities are better than others, but I have been shafted, or at least obstructed, from surprising quarters. [u]Nothing[/u] can be relied on here 100 per cent

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1525096]Thanks for the feedback from everyone, I'm going to go to Orange and purchase the cheapest phone they have in there store in Sosua. I may be paying a little bit more for the phone but if I have a problem while in Sosua I can just take it back to the store to fix any problems.[/QUOTE]I have just purchased a Claro chip every trip and stuck it in whatever unlocked phone I happened to have at the time. Never had a problem. You just try it out in the Claro or Orange store and make sure it works. Most guys on this forum do the same in whichever country they visit, be it Thailand, the Philippines or wherever. Its no big deal.

[QUOTE=Bliadun; 1525273]'How chicas trying to squeeze extra cash from you and what to do about it' or something like that.

I've been reading your reports for quite some time and they have a cold shower effect when I'm about to be carried away.

Not always pleasant, but definitely required reading for any of us, thanks for posts.

P. S. I agree that bringing them new Galaxy would be stupid, however, older Galaxies available at Amazon or Ebay for 50-100 bucks. Older Galaxies may serve as incentive and / or tips for anal or some other crazy shit you want to do with her LOL. Worked for me.[/QUOTE]My motivation is simply to reinforce awareness and caution. I think there are many who are getting that cold shower effect (I like that BTW) through my experiences, observations as well as others.

I do not think buying a Galaxy is stupid in of itself. I think it's unwise to do so indiscriminately. If one is to buy something, buy something that is practical and affordable (a BB or cheap knock off) , and make that chica understand she has to earn her way to a Galaxy.

I have a preference for when I want to be generous with gifts. I don't like begging chicas, asking me or telling me what they want me to buy or bring them. At Rumba a chica I used to fuck (Yunelis, some of yall may have had her) stops me at Rumba and tries to get me to sit with her (I saw her earlier on the beach ). I decline to sit because I know she wants something, so she pulls me close for me to kiss her on her cheek. Then immediately (in perfect english) asked me to buy her a beer. I declined. At the same time, I complimented her on her perfume.

She said thank you, but "I just ran out, I don't have anymore". Making a subtle hint to me. I go sit with my homey. A few minutes go by and one of the barmaids brings me a bill for a grande Presidente. She shows me the bill as says "Por chica over there" I told her I did not order that beer and was not paying for her beer. Yunelis thought that if she ordered the beer and sent the bill to me, that I would simply pay it. I'm thinking, damn I haven't been with this chica in over a year, and she is treating me like I have been standing still and never learned anything in all of this time.

In 10 seconds, she wants a beer and drops a hint of possibly wanting me to buy her some perfume. Chicas like that, I don't respond well to their requests for little things (food / beverages) or significant things like an expensive phone. Chicas I meet in Sosua and only have a p4p arrangement, I don't entertain their requests for gifts or sending them money. Only those chicas I have a certain rapport / relationship with I may extend myself for. And I do it without them having to ask. And I only do for those that actually are appreciative of my efforts. Not those barracudas that just take and take and don't appreciate what you do for them. And look at getting shit from men as some sort of talent or skill.

IMO, if a dude wants anal or some other crazy shit, simply go for it. If she resists because she is against your request thats one thing. But if she needs compensation as an incentive, why not go the cheapest route possible? Just offer her more pesos more before getting to the point of buying a phone? 500 pesos more is cheaper and easier to accomplish instead of having to buy a phone that she may not even keep because she is hoping to get a better phone from somebody else.

And it's not like a guy has a definitive arrangement with the chica that he'll get some sort of special service if he buys a phone. Thats just something a typical guy assumes when he sets out to bring some chica a gift. If a guy never pursued the special service before, how does he know he couldn't have got the same service without having to bring a gift? When my blondie chica was injured and couldn't fuck, she still wanted to keep working.

So back in August she got me off with excellent BBBJ with CIM skills. Some dudes pay chicas extra for that. But because she needed to keep working she had to adjust her services so she wouldn't lose clients because she couldn't fuck them. My point being. Keeping a dude as a client in a fierce competitive market is their incentive for providing the services a dude wants. If we assume we have to buy a gift to get special services without 1st attempting to get the service without the gift, is doing oneself a disservice, IMO. The bottom line is, we have feelings too. We do things for these chicas because it makes us feel good doing it. Problem though, is often these chicas don't respond logically/accordingly to kind gestures in the spirit the gift is intended. Thats not just chicas, that might be any Dominican. You ever been around a Dominican friend who observes his foreign friend pay too much for something? That shit gets under their skin, because they think you are wasting your money, doing something that isn't necessary. It especially bothers them if they think you could have been giving them the money / gifts you are throwing away.

Don't think chicas arent aware of our propensities to be emotionally attached to giving gifts (tips, propinas etc ). They benefit from that emotional attachment.

BTW Yunelis went to the bathroom and when she came up behind me she stops to talk to me. She sarcastically tells me "thank you" for buying her the beer. I guess her ego was bruised when her plan to get me to pay for her beer back fired. I used that moment to nicely scold her for doing that. Told her I choose when to buy a woman a beer, you dont ask me to buy you a beer. And you dont order anything and have somebody send me your bill. She listened, but simply walked away. Now she knows, I aint the same dude she used to fuck a year ago.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1525330]And it's not like a guy has a definitive arrangement with the chica that he'll get some sort of special service if he buys a phone. Thats just something a typical guy assumes when he sets out to bring some chica a gift. If a guy never pursued the special service before, how does he know he couldn't have got the same service without having to bring a gift?[/QUOTE]Amen to that brother. Cause I have gotten plenty of special services, but I have never bought/brought shit. But then to me what other guys call special services, I call basic. All pizzas come with tomato sauce and cheese. When I settle on a price it is all-inclusive just like those resorts around there.[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1525330]The bottom line is, we have feelings too. We do things for these chicas because it makes us feel good doing it.[/QUOTE]LOL. Man I just said that yesterday in the Angeles City thread. Guys do all kinds of stuff that is not necessary, not because that is what the girl wants or requires, but because it makes them feel good about themselves. With a regular chick yes, but with a hooker? Get the fuck out of here.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1525293]It's not complicated. Just tell them to give you 40000 pesos and you will buy it and bring it back for them next time. That will stop all of that. The problem is when they see cake daddies doing it for their friends or guys buying them on ebay passing them out. Why even put the thought in their heads by opening up that can of worms? You are still going to get the pussy like everybody else and it's not going to feel any different. You think her mouth will get wetter when she sucks your dick because you gave her a phone? The girls don't realize how much these things cost. They think we get them significantly cheaper, which we don't. They also think we are rich because we have trained them to think that way by doing shit like that. My girlfriend has a BlackBerry. I have a Galaxy S1. A couple of months ago we were talking about how we didn't like iPhones. She said that she wanted to get her a Galaxy S4. I told her that I hope she had an extra 40000 pesos laying around, because that is how much they cost. That is two months salary for her. She hasn't wanted a Galaxy S4 since.[/QUOTE]Reminds me of the Dominican manager of the car rental place I use. He took me to the airport back in Nov, and asked me to buy him a small laptop and that he would pay me next time I come with the laptop.

I told him, give me the money now, do the research on the internet. Send me the information by email and I'll buy it and bring it back. After I said that. He basically changed his mind altogether. My guess is, he was hoping I would buy the laptop, and end up gifting it to him when I came back. If a chica wants to ask for shit, she is more than welcome to waste her time. As long as I know how to conduct myself, I'm good. I prefer to simply ignore their requests when they text me. I don't get many face to face requests for shit from chicas. It's usually them texting or emailing me. That could mean, I might be just one link in a chain of dudes all getting the same request from the same chica.

She's a hooker if you pay for a service, that's clear. What if she's a part time hooker who's got a normal job? Or what if she does not ask for money, but expects some compensation from you?

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1525335]Man I just said that yesterday in the Angeles City thread. Guys do all kinds of stuff that is not necessary, not because that is what the girl wants or requires, but because it makes them feel good about themselves. With a regular chick yes, but with a hooker? Get the fuck out of here.[/QUOTE]

She said I don't have any money left right now.

I refused of course and she became just a bit colder.

I guess it's time to switch to another chica LOL.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1525347]I told him, give me the money now, do the research on the internet. Send me the information by email and I'll buy it and bring it back. After I said that. He basically changed his mind altogether. My guess is, he was hoping I would buy the laptop, and end up gifting it to him when I came back. If a chica wants to ask for shit, she is more than welcome to waste her time. As long as I know how to conduct myself, I'm good. I prefer to simply ignore their requests when they text me. I don't get many face to face requests for shit from chicas. It's usually them texting or emailing me. That could mean, I might be just one link in a chain of dudes all getting the same request from the same chica.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1525347]I don't get many face to face requests for shit from chicas. It's usually them texting or emailing me. That could mean, I might be just one link in a chain of dudes all getting the same request from the same chica.[/QUOTE]Some years back a famous hooker in Rio named Lebara sent out a mass request for money and forgot to mask it by BCC, using CC instead. Of course I was not one of the marks, but my fraternity brother who was forwarded it to me. And they thought they were special.

At least for a while. Problem is, they got used to this really quick, want more next time and it stops working.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1525330]And it's not like a guy has a definitive arrangement with the chica that he'll get some sort of special service if he buys a phone. Thats just something a typical guy assumes when he sets out to bring some chica a gift. If a guy never pursued the special service before, how does he know he couldn't have got the same service without having to bring a gift? When my blondie chica was injured and couldn't fuck, she still wanted to keep working.[/QUOTE]

I guess I'm not such a pervert after all LOL.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1525330]I do not think buying a Galaxy is stupid in of itself. I think it's unwise to do so indiscriminately. If one is to buy something, buy something that is practical and affordable (a BB or cheap knock off) , and make that chica understand she has to earn her way to a Galaxy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bliadun;1525353]She's a hooker if you pay for a service, that's clear. What if she's a part time hooker who's got a normal job? Or what if she does not ask for money, but expects some compensation from you?[/QUOTE]Most guys here want to glam it up and say she is not a hooker, she is just poor. I say bullshit. If the only reason you are fucking her is because you are going to give her money then she is a hooker. I have fucked plenty of poor women who didn't expect a damn thing and I'm still getting together with them to this day. So with them I know it is not about the money. An old litmus test is to show up without any money. You will learn fast who is a hooker and who is not. Like Wrx said, tell them you don't have any money and see if you are still mi amor and they are so anxious to fuck.

Some passed the test, brought some gifts comparable with payment in such cases. That's a thin and blurry line between hooker and 'normal' chica in DR.

And even have an experience when hooker said she doesn't want money because she likes me so much, paid her anyway, seemed like an 'honest' thing to do. Stupid me?

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1525361]Most guys here want to glam it up and say she is not a hooker, she is just poor. I say bullshit. If the only reason you are fucking her is because you are going to give her money then she is a hooker. I have fucked plenty of poor women who didn't expect a damn thing and I'm still getting together with them to this day. So with them I know it is not about the money. An old litmus test is to show up without any money. You will learn fast who is a hooker and who is not.[/QUOTE]

Sounds a bit strange.

If she takes the money you give her she becomes a hooker and if she refuses she's a good girl?

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1525361]If the only reason you are fucking her is because you are going to give her money then she is a hooker.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bliadun; 1525369]Sounds a bit strange.

If she takes the money you give her she becomes a hooker and if she refuses she's a good girl?[/QUOTE]LOL. Why are you trying to give her money / gifts after sex if you don't suspect her to be a hooker? Do you do the same with women back home? The other day at home in Atlanta I fucked a Puerto Rican chick who I had just met. Do you think when she got dressed to go home Sunday morning that I handed her $20, $40, or $100 or an iPhone or some bullshit? No, because I know she is not a hooker and I'm not trying to insult someone by assuming they are. Trust me, if she came to get paid then she is not going to forget to ask for her paycheck.

I don't think there is a thin line at all in DR. And hookers there do give freebies at times you know? A few years ago there used to be a chick named Jenny when the girls used to hang in front of Europa. That is when I first started going to Sosua. She told me that she would fuck me for free. That was fine with me, so I took her inside and knocked her off. And she was the truth! My next trip to Sosua I went and found her and told her that I wanted to fuck. She said okay, but you have to pay me this time. I said of course; I got you. And the trip after that she started looking past her Sosua expiration date so that was that on that.

I'm so used to hookers in DR, my hand moves to my wallet instinctively LOL.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1525388]LOL. Why are you trying to give her money / gifts after sex if you don't suspect her to be a hooker? Do you do the same with women back home? The other day at home in Atlanta I fucked a Puerto Rican chick who I had just met. Do you think when she got dressed to go home Sunday morning that I handed her $20, $40, or $100 or an iPhone or some bullshit? No, because I know she is not a hooker.

I don't think there is a thin line at all in DR. And hookers there do give freebies at times you know? A few years ago there used to be a chick named Jenny when the girls used to hang in front of Europa. That is when I first started going to Sosua. She told me that she would fuck me for free. That was fine with me, so I took her inside and knocked her off. And she was the truth! My next trip to Sosua I went and found her and told her that I wanted to fuck. She said okay, but you have to pay me this time. I said of course; I got you. And the trip after that she started looking past her Sosua expiration date so that was that on that.[/QUOTE]

Really enjoy reading your posts and prospectives bro, especially stuff like this:

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1525224]Just yesterday, this one chica I know found out I was back in Sosua. She asked me where I was. I said I was with friends at Rockys. What does this chica do? 10 minutes later she shows up there. She got a quick surprise. 2 of us sitting there talking had already fucked her, and my friend next to me had just got her number 3 nights ago. So when she rolls up to Rockys, she got a huge surprise and tried to play it off as if she was just walking by. The transparency of many of these chicas is amazing. The only thing important to her is making that money.

[/QUOTE]Please keep them coming!

It's interesting how easy it is for Dominicanas to beg gringos for stuff compared to Colombianas. Maybe because of the proximity of the DR to the US?

I have been to Colombia 6 times in the past two years and I can flirt and chat with chicas I've just met or reapeated multiple times with via Facebook and whatsapp without them asking me for anything other than "cuando regresas?" Some have tried to "hint" at it (like saying their sister or child is in the hospital) , but they have never asked for money or to send money.

Contrast that with Dominicanas. Chicas I've met on Dominican Cupid and have never met in person are (usually by the second conversation) rattling off a list of problems in their lives (no dinero, no comida, no trabajo, etc) or asking me to bring them shit or put minutes on their phones.

This makes it hard to try to set anything up with them prior to a trip, or maintain contact after one.

The fact that they want things is the lure to get what you want. You are not looking a girl friend you are looking for good sex and company. These girls are not fucking us because of good looks / It is P4P even with the non pros. They want a material gain or they are wasting their time. I got no problem with that. If the chica meets my requirements I find out what she wants to satisfy her needs. I will buy a refurbished smart phone under $150. This gift is a game changer I also throw in a few extras if the service is working. Perfume, lotions and other inexpensive gifts from the dollar store trinkets that they love Generally I spend 3 days with the lady and give about $200 in gifts and maybe $75 in travel fees. This much less then I would spend on working putas and SWs. I tend to fuck them morning noon and night. Plus the sex is way better because the girl is trying hard win you over. There are some greedy girls every where but you have to know how to manage them. I dangle the hope of being with me again and giving them a very good time. I take them to dinner Dancing (decent latin dancer) hotels, casinos and the beach. Usually I am having fun and they do to. Most have never seen this side of life.

In conclusion you control the encounter. They want your money more then you want the pussy. They know there are countless girls willing to bang your brains out. Use there greed against them I you want to make them think you are vulnerable. No problem Just know you got the gold and you rule.

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[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1525394]Really enjoy reading your posts and prospectives bro, especially stuff like this:

Please keep them coming!

It's interesting how easy it is for Dominicanas to beg gringos for stuff compared to Colombianas. Maybe because of the proximity of the DR to the US?

I have been to Colombia 6 times in the past two years and I can flirt and chat with chicas I've just met or reapeated multiple times with via Facebook and whatsapp without them asking me for anything other than "cuando regresas?" Some have tried to "hint" at it (like saying their sister or child is in the hospital) , but they have never asked for money or to send money.

Contrast that with Dominicanas. Chicas I've met on Dominican Cupid and have never met in person are (usually by the second conversation) rattling off a list of problems in their lives (no dinero, no comida, no trabajo, etc) or asking me to bring them shit or put minutes on their phones.

This makes it hard to try to set anything up with them prior to a trip, or maintain contact after one.[/QUOTE]

Chicas coming up to me in the clubs when I want space! After the hellos and where you froms I ask her to buy me a drink before she asked me. While paying a chica for her "time" tell her "now you are going to buy me a drink the next time I see you aren't you". Watch her avoid your ass instead of back in your face the next day begging for a drinks. These Dominican Guys trying to get close to you just to bum money or drinks. Tell them "all I have is dick sucking money and you don't want that Do you"? Or "Man I just got money for pussy. You got pussy"? If that's too hard," I don't give free money to chicos but fine me a good chica and we can do business'!

Before arriving in Sosua I receive this from a chica I haven't even been with. I am sick can please send money to help. God bless you. I responded to her "oh my gosh you can have everthing in my right pocket and gave her a photo. Day 2 on the strip guess who I run into looking like she just came out the gym! I told her she was fine as fuck but she has too much game. And she had a herp on her lip.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1525361]Most guys here want to glam it up and say she is not a hooker, she is just poor. I say bullshit. If the only reason you are fucking her is because you are going to give her money then she is a hooker.[/QUOTE]C'mon Sir! It is puerile mental masturbation. This on and off, hooker or no-hooker discourse! Not everyone, certainly not the undersigned, is so irresistible that girls half my age, line up to fuck me for free. I am told that there are exceptions but for the rest of the universe, it is perfectly okay to pay, in cash, in kind or both, especially if the deal gets done by the lubricating power of money. I was in Raleigh, NC and got lucky with a regular customer at a McD and when we left a motel a few hours later, it was about 6 PM, I invited her for dinner. Was she a hooker? I do not think so but who gives a hoot? Besides, one does buy gifts or dinner for even girlfriends (and wife to boot) , to get in the end, into her pants. So where is the problem or is there a puritan morality angle here, that just eludes me?

[QUOTE=Bliadun;1525313]I probably will not call one of my favorite chicas next time I'm in DR just because I'm tired of hearing this Galaxy BS.[/QUOTE]Well, let's keep things in perspective! A galaxy S1 or similar can be bought for about $100 or so back home, which is tantamount to an overnight lay in Sosua, I read on this forum. If, by giving that, you get to keep your "favorite" one. Which I presume will get you at least One whole day's if not more lays, I think, the phone has done its job. On the other hand, if the female is looking for a S4 only, then perhaps going the route you are planning is the right path.

What I find amazing is a constant bitching about women in Sosua forum. No one wants to be openly called a "puta" and so it is natural even the hard core ones would try to save their face. I cannot imagine doing what they do, is particularly self-actualizing: it is a bloody job, often unpleasant with schmucks around! It is also important to remember that for Sosua chicks and for the professionals, a phone, other than a status symbol, is also a tool for their trade. (in NV, may be those would be tax deductible as well LOL) as Frannie has pointed out in the past. This is not to say that the rest of the Island is not infatuated with "galaxi" but perhaps or at least, you get better satisfaction?

From the time I started having time to spend with different girls in the DR I have had on several occasions had the ladies leave what I know to be important stuff in my auto and room. I know these ladies for sure has very little to there name so why would they risk leaving anything that is theirs. Especially things like passports jewelry I'd's etc. I have at this time been able to return all items to them but who knows what could happen. I personally think this is a huge risk for them even if they do think they have hooked the big one.

And she's not exactly asking, but when you hear that she really needs it 10-20 times per day it becomes really annoying.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto; 1525554]Well, let's keep things in perspective! A galaxy S1 or similar can be bought for about $100 or so back home, which is tantamount to an overnight lay in Sosua, I read on this forum. If, by giving that, you get to keep your "favorite" one. Which I presume will get you at least One whole day's if not more lays, I think, the phone has done its job. On the other hand, if the female is looking for a S4 only, then perhaps going the route you are planning is the right path.

What I find amazing is a constant bitching about women in Sosua forum. No one wants to be openly called a "puta" and so it is natural even the hard core ones would try to save their face. I cannot imagine doing what they do, is particularly self-actualizing: it is a bloody job, often unpleasant with schmucks around! It is also important to remember that for Sosua chicks and for the professionals, a phone, other than a status symbol, is also a tool for their trade. (in NV, may be those would be tax deductible as well LOL) as Frannie has pointed out in the past. This is not to say that the rest of the Island is not infatuated with "galaxi" but perhaps or at least, you get better satisfaction?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bliadun;1525357]At least for a while. Problem is, they got used to this really quick, want more next time and it stops working.[/QUOTE]I have bought electronics for chicas. But they werent chicas I just met, we had established a little something. And the gifts were things I may have bought without them asking for it. I wasnt expecting any special service. But I was doing it because I felt good doing it. Can't lie about that. IMO, nothing wrong with doing for chicas that are already giving you GFE. I just don't like the idea of a chica I just met asking me to buy her things when I can easily guess a dozen other dudes she is probably fucking are also being asked to bring gifts (sometimes the same gift ). To me thats not maintaining GFE with a chica, thats more like being Donald Chump.

I do have to say this though. Even with the chicas I had GFE with, and bought them things. Their appreciation seems to only be short lived. After a short period they own the gift and it seems they easily detach themselves from the person who gave it to them in the 1st place. The main thing that may bring their attention back to the gifter, is when they want something else. Like a hungry house cat. Once they get what they want (get fed) they go about their business again. So maybe with some chicas the best strategy is to keep them "hungry", and control how much they "eat" (gifts, benefits, money ). Don't put a self feeding bowl in front of them. Make them earn their "meals" every step of the way.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto; 1525554]Well, let's keep things in perspective! A galaxy S1 or similar can be bought for about $100 or so back home, which is tantamount to an overnight lay in Sosua, I read on this forum. If, by giving that, you get to keep your "favorite" one. Which I presume will get you at least One whole day's if not more lays, I think, the phone has done its job. On the other hand, if the female is looking for a S4 only, then perhaps going the route you are planning is the right path.

What I find amazing is a constant bitching about women in Sosua forum. No one wants to be openly called a "puta" and so it is natural even the hard core ones would try to save their face. I cannot imagine doing what they do, is particularly self-actualizing: it is a bloody job, often unpleasant with schmucks around! It is also important to remember that for Sosua chicks and for the professionals, a phone, other than a status symbol, is also a tool for their trade. (in NV, may be those would be tax deductible as well LOL) as Frannie has pointed out in the past. This is not to say that the rest of the Island is not infatuated with "galaxi" but perhaps or at least, you get better satisfaction?[/QUOTE]What you should be amazed at, is you bitching of mongers in the Sosua forum which is designed for MEN to share perspectives and trip reports.

You simply can't resist a dig towards fellow mongers can you? I notice you always can point out your disdain for mongers who don't post according to your sensitivities, but you don't offer much support or perspective (not that anybody is starving for it from you) towards mongers concerns. This is a mens club, not a chica club. Its about time men have a forum to ***** (thats your negative term because you want to disparage the mens intent here) or in this case I call it discussing opinions, experiences and perspectives. If you don't like what you see, then don't read the shit. Its just that simple. We don't need no Cap N Sav a h o e types here who can constantly defend women / chicas / prostitutes , and express empathy, and is openly understanding of chicas potential concerns, at the drop of a dime, but when it comes to men in this forum, you are gonna judge what you see as certain men are bitching. Dudes are merely speaking their minds. Why we dont see the same effort of understanding or empathy when it comes to men here, but you can show it for chicas? You should have more in common with men here than you do chicas. Whats the deal?

If ya just stick to sharing your perspective on the issue, all will be well. But all that other editorial towards members here is unnecessary. And if you don't like certain ***** comments. Tell that mug to his cyber face in this forum or in PM. You don't need to disguise your contempt by spinning it off on somebody elses post. Like I said before, were men here, were just talking / sharing.

[QUOTE=Lagerhowen;1525261]What do we all do when we need cash? We go to the ATM. What do the chicas do when they need cash? Just step outside. The streets are their ATM. Just remember that and put that in the front of your mind.[/QUOTE]I gotcha! Also? What do the people that control the ATM's do when someone with bad intentions tries to tamper with or scam the ATM machine in order to get money the scammer didn't earn? They get exposed and dealt with accordingly. Even ATM's need to have protective measures in place to make sure the right people are getting the deserved benefits from that ATM.

Two thumbs up! LOL.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1525729]I gotcha! Also? What do the people that control the ATM's do when someone with bad intentions tries to tamper with or scam the ATM machine in order to get money the scammer didn't earn? They get exposed and dealt with accordingly. Even ATM's need to have protective measures in place to make sure the right people are getting the deserved benefits from that ATM.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GrownMan1; 1525525]Chicas coming up to me in the clubs when I want space! After the hellos and where you froms I ask her to buy me a drink before she asked me. While paying a chica for her "time" tell her "now you are going to buy me a drink the next time I see you aren't you". Watch her avoid your ass instead of back in your face the next day begging for a drinks. These Dominican Guys trying to get close to you just to bum money or drinks. Tell them "all I have is dick sucking money and you don't want that Do you"? Or "Man I just got money for pussy. You got pussy"? If that's too hard," I don't give free money to chicos but fine me a good chica and we can do business'!

Before arriving in Sosua I receive this from a chica I haven't even been with. I am sick can please send money to help. God bless you. I responded to her "oh my gosh you can have everthing in my right pocket and gave her a photo. Day 2 on the strip guess who I run into looking like she just came out the gym! I told her she was fine as fuck but she has too much game. And she had a herp on her lip.[/QUOTE]don't wear yourself out too much with using clever comebacks for those types. Because it will be a full time job, and eventually you'll sound like an insincere broken record. It's best to combine good body language skills with simply saying "no gracias". And leave it like that.



For instance. I might be sitting at Rockys chillin, minding my own business. While there, panhandlers, venders and touts are passing by on the regular. I acknowledge their presence, but I don't allow them to engage me in any lengthly exchange. I look their way for a brief moment, say "no gracias", and look away and go back to what I was doing. If I am having a conversation with someone, I keep right on talking, since I take them interrupting as them being disrespectful towards me. And I won't allow them to disrespect my space.

On occasion I asked a guy did he respect my friend? He kept asking my friend to look / buy something. My friend kept saying no several times. So when I asked him did he respect my friend, I guess he didn't know where I was going with that question. But he said."Yes I respect him". I said,"well he told you several times "NO" he is not interested, but you keep asking him"."If you respect him, then why do you keep asking and standing there?". Guy absorbed what I said in an instant, said slightly sarcastically,"thank you" and walked off. I guarantee when he sees me again, his time standing in front of me holding his wares will be cut down to 20 seconds or less instead of 2 minutes. But realistically, that might only last a month. He will back to his usual next trip. LOL. I have asked panhandlers the same question about them respecting me. Which usually results in them leaving me alone. But the effectiveness is how and what you communicate in your body language when you are approached.

With chicas sitting in the club. Generally, I don't like chicas coming up to me asking me to buy them drinks. I would likely refuse or just keep walking. Because I think it is a test. If I sit down to talk to a chica and she comes right out asking me to buy her a drink, my interest starts to fade right at that moment. If I sit down to talk to a chica, I will offer a drink to a chica I intend to converse with. But even then, in Sosua and in the club that could be construed as you putting the girl on the clock. How I respond to offering drinks to chicas depends on what I'm observing in that moment. No hard / fast rules.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1525525]Before arriving in Sosua I receive this from a chica I haven't even been with. I am sick can please send money to help. God bless you. I responded to her "oh my gosh you can have everthing in my right pocket and gave her a photo. Day 2 on the strip guess who I run into looking like she just came out the gym! I told her she was fine as fuck but she has too much game. And she had a herp on her lip.[/QUOTE]Some may recall a story I shared here of a chica I fucked one morning, and the next day she texted me to tell me she was in PP and needed me to bring 2000 pesos to pay for a clinic bill. Ignored her request. Then she started blowing up my phone. I ignored her calls. The next day I bust her in Sosua when she passes by Rocky's. Chica feels she needs to think quick, so she immediately holds out her arm and shows me a mark that was probably there since she was a little girl. But I was supposed to believe that was what she needed the 2000 pesos for. Now I see her almost everyday, and all we do is acknowledge each other and exchange "I know what you did last trip" looks. LOL

No bowl for them.

Making them earn their "meals" is not an easy task though, but I guess these are rules of the game.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1525707]I do have to say this though. Even with the chicas I had GFE with, and bought them things. Their appreciation seems to only be short lived. After a short period they own the gift and it seems they easily detach themselves from the person who gave it to them in the 1st place. The main thing that may bring their attention back to the gifter, is when they want something else. Like a hungry house cat. Once they get what they want (get fed) they go about their business again. So maybe with some chicas the best strategy is to keep them "hungry", and control how much they "eat" (gifts, benefits, money ). Don't put a self feeding bowl in front of them. Make them earn their "meals" every step of the way.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1525394]Really enjoy reading your posts and prospectives bro, especially stuff like this:

Please keep them coming!

It's interesting how easy it is for Dominicanas to beg gringos for stuff compared to Colombianas. Maybe because of the proximity of the DR to the US?

I have been to Colombia 6 times in the past two years and I can flirt and chat with chicas I've just met or reapeated multiple times with via Facebook and whatsapp without them asking me for anything other than "cuando regresas?" Some have tried to "hint" at it (like saying their sister or child is in the hospital) , but they have never asked for money or to send money.

Contrast that with Dominicanas. Chicas I've met on Dominican Cupid and have never met in person are (usually by the second conversation) rattling off a list of problems in their lives (no dinero, no comida, no trabajo, etc) or asking me to bring them shit or put minutes on their phones.

This makes it hard to try to set anything up with them prior to a trip, or maintain contact after one.[/QUOTE]I can relate. You know that. Now if a dude wants to minimize some of that, they would need to look for women that fit a certain profile. They are regular, non pro women that work and earn a decent living. Maybe she is an attorney, doctor, teacher, salesperson, business owner, etc. I know of one regular woman that lives in Santiago. She co-owns a salon, and I met her on DC. Trouble was, I was not that attracted to her, and also I didn't want to start a relationship. My preference is for variety. And p4p in DR provides that. I do believe though there are women on DC that have more class and know how to conduct themselves, even though they want the same things the barracudas want when they get with a man.

[QUOTE=Bliadun; 1525762]No bowl for them.

Making them earn their "meals" is not an easy task though, but I guess these are rules of the game.[/QUOTE]Please elaborate? Whats not easy about it? The mechanics is easy. Getting past "our feelings", guilt, habit,concerns the chica is going to cut you off,slight you or think ill of you and caught up in routine ( because thats how I was raised ) that's the challenge. All of those things are the attributes / variables that chicas have or can use as an advantage over us. In other words, we give them the power by being in doubt or not in control. I used to have a saying. Haven't used it in a while, but it's fitting here."DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, AND LET YOUR FEELINGS CATCH UP WITH YOU LATER"

Or maybe sometimes a food also. Only when you think about repeating with her, any gifts should be considered. If chica smart enough, after receiving a gift she will figure out what kind of special service (for each guy this could be different, some will like an anal or unexpected BJ on the beach) she can provide in order to keep gifts coming in the future. If not, stop giving her gifts and try another one.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1525707]I have bought electronics for chicas. But they werent chicas I just met, we had established a little something. And the gifts were things I may have bought without them asking for it. I wasnt expecting any special service. But I was doing it because I felt good doing it. Can't lie about that. IMO, nothing wrong with doing for chicas that are already giving you GFE. I just don't like the idea of a chica I just met asking me to buy her things when I can easily guess a dozen other dudes she is probably fucking are also being asked to bring gifts (sometimes the same gift ). To me thats not maintaining GFE with a chica, thats more like being Donald Chump.[/QUOTE]

For me and for some other mongers this is what gives DR completely different feel comparing to German FKKs for example.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1525768]Please elaborate? Whats not easy about it? The mechanics is easy. Getting past "our feelings", guilt, habit and routine that's the challenge. All of those things are the attributes / variables that chicas have as an advantage over us. In other words, we give them the power by being in doubt or not in control. I used to have a saying. Haven't used it in a while, but it's fitting here."DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, AND LET YOUR FEELINGS CATCH UP WITH YOU LATER"[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bliadun;1525775]For me and for some other mongers this is what gives DR completely different feel comparing to German FKKs for example.[/QUOTE]Exactly. IMO, declinging gifts / requests you arent destroying the GFE illusion. You are destroying the pretense of something that is not in existence. The illusion hasnt gone anywhere. And when you do that and the person jets or exits stage left, think about it? Do you really want that person? Do you really feel comfortable accepting something that isn't real? If a dude is going to be involved in gifting, why not just give what you are willing to lose? Within reason / your budget? But don't go overboard, because that makes you appear unwise pursuing the GFE illusion. But to give gifts or honor requests to anyone who doesn't appreciate the gesture, makes no sense. If I find myself doing that, I try to nip that in the bud with a quickness.

I guess I still need to learn to part with ungrateful chicas faster, even when she used to be one of my favorite in the past.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1525778]Exactly. IMO, declinging gifts / requests you arent destroying the GFE illusion. You are destroying the pretense of something that is not in existence. The illusion hasnt gone anywhere. And when you do that and the person jets or exits stage left, think about it? Do you really want that person? Do you really feel comfortable accepting something that isn't real? If a dude is going to be involved in gifting, why not just give what you are willing to lose? Within reason / your budget? But don't go overboard, because that makes you appear unwise pursuing the GFE illusion. But to give gifts or honor requests to anyone who doesn't appreciate the gesture, makes no sense. If I find myself doing that, I try to nip that in the bud with a quickness.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1525719]What you should be amazed at, is you bitching of mongers in the Sosua forum which is designed for MEN to share perspectives and trip reports.[/QUOTE]Perhaps I am not a man! Actually, I have not seen anyone bitching as much as you do.

My perspective is simple even when my graduate degree in not in psychology, nor am I the Dalai Lama: In life you get what you dish out: you get to associate with the kind you apparently dislike and that then has the multiplier effect of self fulfilling prophecy, judging by your prolific advisories with your bias. So, let others ask specific questions like many do and judge by their own experience / bias without clouding their judgment. Besides, do the grown ups (by my count, many are seniors) , need as much saving as you are doing?

I am not a Sosua resident nor do I care much about it or about places like Pattaya or Patpong but here is my request. If you complain so much about Sosua women and men that are leeches, just spend your time outside of it. Scout the world out: may be, just may be, you will grow a new perspective.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1525740]don't wear yourself out too much with using clever comebacks for those types. Because it will be a full time job, and eventually you'll sound like an insincere broken record. It's best to combine good body language skills with simply saying "no gracias". And leave it like that.

On occasion I asked a guy did he respect my friend? He kept asking my friend to look / buy something. My friend kept saying no several times. So when I asked him did he respect my friend, I guess he didn't know where I was going with that question. But he said."Yes I respect him". I said,"well he told you several times "NO" he is not interested, but you keep asking him"."If you respect him, then why do you keep asking and standing there?". Guy absorbed what I said in an instant, said slightly sarcastically,"thank you" and walked off. I guarantee when he sees me again, his time standing in front of me holding his wares will be cut down to 20 seconds or less instead of 2 minutes. But realistically, that might only last a month. He will back to his usual next trip. LOL. I have asked panhandlers the same question about them respecting me. Which usually results in them leaving me alone. But the effectiveness is how and what you communicate in your body language when you are approached.

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Here a mirror for you. Just say no gracias and leave it like that. (For Panhandlers) Don't wear yourself out too much with using clever comebacks for those types eventually you'll sound like an insincere broken record. (I say this jokingly) My comebacks are really aimed at newbies. Its useful for newbies who find themselves in these situations a lot. After remembering my first trip and observing other newbies, No gracias is not very effective for a begging chicas you screwed last night or chicos befriending you using English to sharing a friendly 2 minute conversation just for a setup. They can make you feel obligated for there friendly dealings with you. I know I know Mr. E and Olkool right now you are saying " You don't owe them shit!" but when you are new to a country and young in the game it happens! (or maybe it just was me) I couldn't agree with you more body language is supreme, but that comes with experience in less you are a natural. I don't get to use my comebacks often anymore. My new friend get targeted- I get bypassed. I took me a few trips to get my body language in order. Experience means you are not fucking wildly. Your encounters are more calculated and you can go to bed nights without a hit, headaches, and major problems. Hint hint LOL Have you broken the drought? Please keep the observation coming. I want to hear how your Super Bowl theory pans out!

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1525707]I have bought electronics for chicas. But they werent chicas I just met, we had established a little something. And the gifts were things I may have bought without them asking for it. I wasnt expecting any special service. But I was doing it because I felt good doing it. Can't lie about that. IMO, nothing wrong with doing for chicas that are already giving you GFE. I just don't like the idea of a chica I just met asking me to buy her things when I can easily guess a dozen other dudes she is probably fucking are also being asked to bring gifts (sometimes the same gift ). To me thats not maintaining GFE with a chica, thats more like being Donald Chump.

I do have to say this though. Even with the chicas I had GFE with, and bought them things. Their appreciation seems to only be short lived. After a short period they own the gift and it seems they easily detach themselves from the person who gave it to them in the 1st place. The main thing that may bring their attention back to the gifter, is when they want something else. Like a hungry house cat. Once they get what they want (get fed) they go about their business again. So maybe with some chicas the best strategy is to keep them "hungry", and control how much they "eat" (gifts, benefits, money ). Don't put a self feeding bowl in front of them. Make them earn their "meals" every step of the way.[/QUOTE]On the flip side of that, people like you who visit DR frequently may have more time and patience because you know another day will come so you are in no rush to get with any particular chica. You are less anxious than the guy who only travels there once every blue moon or is a first-timer and is at home sex-starved with Betty Boop visions in his eyes. These guys are more likely to be the Donald Chumps. They probably have more money than time and are willing to do what it takes to get the chica they have had their heart set on for so long.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1525554]It is also important to remember that for Sosua chicks and for the professionals, a phone, other than a status symbol, is also a tool for their trade. (in NV, may be those would be tax deductible as well LOL) as Frannie has pointed out in the past.[/QUOTE]Your memory is better than mine, though that sounds like something I might have said.

Chicas like some of the finer things of life, and a smart phone serves as a Facebook connector, music and video player, photograph album, messaging machine and telephone combined, so no wonder they like the larger screen devices.

I think people tend to overthink some of these issues. One of the joys of the DR is that prostitution is completely legal if it is a one-to-one arrangement, whereas in the US it is not. Hence in the US, if you meet women through Craigslist or similar, really it is often pay for play, but both parties go to elaborate lengths to maintain that it is friend-with-benefits, sugar daddy, help-me-with-a-bill, never-done-anything-like-this-before or some similar circumlocution that maintains the convenient legal fiction that it is not prostitution. Not only does this give a figleaf of legal protection if things go wrong, but it also seems more psychologically satisfying on both sides to indulge in a little method acting. In the words of the song: "If that isn't love, it will have to do, Until the real thing comes along."

Now hop over the ocean to the DR and it can be a bit jarring to just want to pay someone a sum for a quickie without any illusions, especially when the real joy of sex with Dominican pros is that if you get it right it can seem just like a fantasy of meeting a cute clean-cut girl (much younger and more attractive than oneself) and having vigorous sex for the relatively short term without making any longer term commitments. This provides a telling antidote to media portrayals of prostitution that usually suggest some hatchet-faced peroxide blonde in a short PVC skirt with nicotine-stained fingers providing sex to make money for her drug addicted pimp by pulling up her skirt against a wall in a back alley strewn with used syringes-or some similar scary scenario.

So I think to make it work requires an element of play acting on both sides. Really it is just good manners for them to pretend they find you incredibly sexy and you to pretend you find them adorable and loveable. Nobody actually believes it, and having met tempoecorto a number of times, I can reassure anyone who thinks that he is some kind of "Captain Save-A-Hoe" that he is as addicted to mongering as anyone on this board and has many years of experience in several countries and thousands of hours of certified pelvic thrusting to prove it.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1525750]Some may recall a story I shared here of a chica I fucked one morning, and the next day she texted me to tell me she was in PP and needed me to bring 2000 pesos to pay for a clinic bill. Ignored her request. Then she started blowing up my phone. I ignored her calls. The next day I bust her in Sosua when she passes by Rocky's. Chica feels she needs to think quick, so she immediately holds out her arm and shows me a mark that was probably there since she was a little girl. But I was supposed to believe that was what she needed the 2000 pesos for. Now I see her almost everyday, and all we do is acknowledge each other and exchange "I know what you did last trip" looks. LOL[/QUOTE]I love it when I see a chica who tried to run game, was a terrible laid, or a very high price again on my next visits. I give them the "you know not to even think about fucking with my group look!" We give them nicknames. Miss 5000 peso, Miss Leche Papi Leche, Miss NMD (need more dinero) , Miss Lay There, etc. I notice chicas love to be acknowledged on the strip. When I see them we black ball the whole group they are in. Of course we don't openly tease. If a chica comes over to someone in our group after seen hanging with a chica on the blackball list I step in "es tu amiga alli". I give my friend the look and he cuts the conversation short respectfully."fue agradable conocerte" I know some many chicas wish they can turn back the hands of time. Miss 5000 has been telling me she will only charge me 1500. She gave my friend that 5000 bid once they got in his room back in June after he bought drinks and food for her and her amigas.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1525820]She gave my friend that 5000 bid once they got in his room back in June after he bought drinks and food for her and her amigas.[/QUOTE]No good deed ever goes unpunished!

[QUOTE=Frannie;1525817]Your memory is better than mine, though that sounds like something I might have said.[/QUOTE]Can't complain about my memory so far! Yes, we usually have discussion going in cycles. Cell phone / gifts are one such item, the other is the ho-non ho, mental masturbation. Your comment was in one such past cycle.

We all make mistakes in our hobby: If you remember Kathy (Jee, she brought her passport to the club when she, me and the second woman went dancing and then gave it to me to safeguard it inside the dance hall and I was saddled with the responsibility and the fear that I might lose it): thanks to her, I met another woman the first trip at the Italian disco, whatever its name was. The second trip to Sosua, I met the second woman again and when with her, bumped into Kathy and in front of her, asked for Kathy's phone number. I wish I had been a little more subtle, stupid me, but whoa, hell hath no greater fury than a woman who sees her meal ticket usurped and I incorrectly, thought the two women were part of the same fraternity / collective bargaining group. LOL. I dropped the woman that night onwards and of course, have not been back to Sosua until Sept 2013, I must admit, for the food!

Sosua, for you who have lived there is a no-brainer (especially compared to the US experience as you describe) but to an idiot like me, who goes to the DR on short trips cannot be a big challenge either: You got to think with your brain and not with the lower appendage, not stay drunk or smoked out, be able to identify the pros (women who speak English are almost always pros) from the weekend warriors, look for the singles rather than women in group, be vigilant but treat the women with a modicum of respect even if you think they are "hos" and most importantly know that you who controls the purse strings, are the boss. How difficult can this be in a place where for one male, there are ten or more females? There are still plenty of guys who keep going back to Sosua and have few or no horror stories that I read of here. Ask Tom Jackin!

[QUOTE=Bliadun;1525782]I guess I still need to learn to part with ungrateful chicas faster, even when she used to be one of my favorite in the past.[/QUOTE]We all have our favorites. And yes it may be a little difficult to part with someone that we are comfortable with. When one decides to cut a chica loose that's entirely a personal issue. At the very least a dude can still deal with an ungrateful chica but just make the arrangement strictly p4p and stop the other shit. Or better yet, just put them on operation phase out until they are nothing more than a memory.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1525815]On the flip side of that, people like you who visit DR frequently may have more time and patience because you know another day will come so you are in no rush to get with any particular chica. You are less anxious than the guy who only travels there once every blue moon or is a first-timer and is at home sex-starved with Betty Boop visions in his eyes. These guys are more likely to be the Donald Chumps. They probably have more money than time and are willing to do what it takes to get the chica they have had their heart set on for so long.[/QUOTE]Sad but true bro. And I can relate, as I reflect on how things used to be for me when I Ist started coming.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1525817]having met tempoecorto a number of times, I can reassure anyone who thinks that he is some kind of "Captain Save-A-Hoe" that he is as addicted to mongering as anyone on this board and has many years of experience in several countries and thousands of hours of certified pelvic thrusting to prove it.[/QUOTE]Since that reference was initiated by me. Let me clarify something. Nobody is assuming Tempoecorto IS that. My comments were strictly meant to illustrate how some of his comments represents that CSAH mentality on these boards, towards mongers in this forum.

He underscores SOME mongers discourse here as bitching or whining, but will explain in detail and empathize what chicas may be going through or what they have to deal with. One other poster is good for that. Like when some of us were discussing issues with panhandlers, shoeshine boys and scamming chicas. I recall when I gave a report on my stay at hotel, and this dude wasnt trying to understand where I was coming from, he had already made a judgement of me just because I talked about experiencing cockroaches in my hotel, and I talked about my experience with a few chicas.

Meanwhile let the issue turn towards chicas negative behavior, and you'll see commentary offering an understanding or an explanation justifying their behavior. He just did it. I tend to notice shit like that. Now he's your friend / aquaintance, and the way life works you arent going to give two shits about that. You aint going to see it or acknowledge it. Thats because where you stand on the issue depends on where you sit. I don't have a problem with that. I expect that. Somebody can probably say the same thing for any one of us."Oh that WRX is a stand up guy, you just don't know him". The point is, I'm only addressing the words that are expressed. Not anyones character overall.

What I brought out is a significant difference than what you are talking about. Nobody is assuming how he is in real life.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1525864]We all make mistakes in our hobby: If you remember Kathy (Jee, she brought her passport to the club when she, me and the second woman went dancing and then gave it to me to safeguard it inside the dance hall and I was saddled with the responsibility and the fear that I might lose it): thanks to her, I met another woman the first trip at the Italian disco, whatever its name was. The second trip to Sosua, I met the second woman again and when with her, bumped into Kathy and in front of her, asked for Kathy's phone number. I wish I had been a little more subtle, stupid me, but whoa, hell hath no greater fury than a woman who sees her meal ticket usurped and I incorrectly, thought the two women were part of the same fraternity / collective bargaining group. LOL. I dropped the woman that night onwards and of course, have not been back to Sosua until Sept 2013, I must admit, for the food![/QUOTE]Yes, I remember Kathy and she me. Last time I saw her I did not recognize her as she had a totally different hair style and color, but she flagged me in the street. Nice girl, very unassuming, but no great screw either. Of her two friends I poked one again not so long ago, and the last I heard of the younger one of the trio of room mates was that she was getting married and going overseas.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1525794]Perhaps I am not a man! Actually, I have not seen anyone bitching as much as you do.[/QUOTE]Neither have I seen anyone ***** about other mongers as much as you do. And you bean count every post you see to come to that conclusion. Why do I have so much of your attention?

[QUOTE]In life you get what you dish out: you get to associate with the kind you apparently dislike and that then has the multiplier effect of self fulfilling prophecy, judging by your prolific advisories with your bias.[/QUOTE]You do realize what you just said applies to my exchange with you. You are getting what you dish out. And you get to associate with the kind you apparently dislike. The multiplier effect, is that I'm going to continue sharing my perspective, and whenever you decide to drop in for one of your routine spineless remarks towards mongers here I will give you what you dish out. So I agree.

[QUOTE]So, let others ask specific questions like many do and judge by their own experience / bias without clouding their judgment. Besides, do the grown ups (by my count, many are seniors) , need as much saving as you are doing?[/QUOTE]can't honor that request Captain. As long as we are operating within the guidelines of this forum, I'll post MY WAY. Not according to you. You just keep coming back to read, so you can continue to be amazed.

[QUOTE]here is my request. If you complain so much about Sosua women and men that are leeches, just spend your time outside of it. Scout the world out: may be, just may be, you will grow a new perspective.[/QUOTE]The only individual beaning counting about complaints is YOU. You are severely outnumbered. You are just one person complaining about what somebody else posts. Here's a better perspective. If you were ALSO wired to bean count all of the enjoyable things I shared here, AND also things I never shared here (because it was not particularly note worthy) , you just might realize that I have quite a balanced perspective. The problem isn't me, it's you who needs a new perspective. Especially in regards to learning how NOT to judge people from a message board. Remember your words, and try to apply it. The only thing you know, is that you know nothing.

Most chicas I have met have only been friends with what they call there Amigas for a short time. So it is not hard at all to get them to turn away and see things your way if you really like them.

I think your vision is very clear. This is P4P but when done with style it can be great for both parties. If chicas are standing you up or trying to rip you off more then likely you are doing something wrong. Even hard core girls want repeat business. They show their raw side when they feel you are treating them like a wash cloth. Therei s no magic to buying pussy only in the DR you can get some extras if you play your cards right that is what I shoot for. 20 year old pussy is a lovely thing when your are closer to 60 then 50.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto; 1525864]Can't complain about my memory so far! Yes, we usually have discussion going in cycles. Cell phone / gifts are one such item, the other is the ho-non ho, mental masturbation. Your comment was in one such past cycle.

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[QUOTE=OldKool;1526352]If chicas are standing you up or trying to rip you off more then likely you are doing something wrong. Even hard core girls want repeat business. They show their raw side when they feel you are treating them like a wash cloth.[/QUOTE]Sometimes it may just be misunderstandings. For example the guy who complains that the girl wants to stop fucking after "only" 20 minutes may not realize that the combination of Viagra, alcohol, and a condom is making at hard for him to climax, and that this in turn is making the girl uncomfortable, sore and possibly vulnerable to infections. Because he prides himself on being a capable businessman who knows how to strike a bargain, he may feel he is being cheated, and she may feel he is being unreasonable, so both sides end up angry with each other and neither understands why the other is angry.

The experienced monger will probably realize that if she is not going to climax, and he is not going to come, then it is probably best to cut bait, settle up, shake hands, hang his pole somewhere else, and put the bum deal down to experience.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1526352]Therei s no magic to buying pussy only in the DR you can get some extras if you play your cards right that is what I shoot for. 20 year old pussy is a lovely thing when your are closer to 60 then 50.[/QUOTE]LOL. 20 yr old pussy is great at any age!

Speaking of extras, I spent a lot of time traveling to Asia on business and with little time available, have always depended on short term paid deals; Mostly the same for Western Europe. When I first visited the D. R, I was blown away by the fact that a man my age can have access to a regular 20 something and get plenty of extras that you and I seem to enjoy; but even with the Pros, there is no need for fig-leafs of legal fiction as Frannie puts it. It is "Hello, I love you; won't you tell me your name?": so eloquently laid back. No doubt there are bad apples but how can one not see the over-arching simplicity in the pleasures the Island provides, pro, semi pro or whatever?

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1526358]Sometimes it may just be misunderstandings. For example the guy who complains that the girl wants to stop fucking after "only" 20 minutes may not realize that the combination of Viagra, alcohol, and a condom is making at hard for him to climax, and that this in turn is making the girl uncomfortable, sore and possibly vulnerable to infections. Because he prides himself on being a capable businessman who knows how to strike a bargain, he may feel he is being cheated, and she may feel he is being unreasonable, so both sides end up angry with each other and neither understands why the other is angry.

The experienced monger will probably realize that if she is not going to climax, and he is not going to come, then it is probably best to cut bait, settle up, shake hands, hang his pole somewhere else, and put the bum deal down to experience.[/QUOTE]Charles Pooter gave a good example of this awhile back observing guys taking a chica out back at a barrio club and seeing them come back only a few minutes later. He initially assumed they were having some problem closing the deal but realized after a bit that having sex was only taking a few minutes. The first dominican chica I ever had I was with as a kinda novia thing for days at the Sand Trap before it became Blackbeards. She was really treating me like a novia but she'd constantly be asking for Leche after only a few minutes. She was quite willing to do it 5 times a day wherever I pleased but that was her understanding of sex. A few minutes of thrusting and busting a nut. I'm confident she would have been exactly the same with young dominican BF and that in her experience that's what he would expect too.

[QUOTE=Marc Anthony;1526691]Charles Pooter gave a good example of this awhile back observing guys taking a chica out back at a barrio club and seeing them come back only a few minutes later. He initially assumed they were having some problem closing the deal but realized after a bit that having sex was only taking a few minutes. The first dominican chica I ever had I was with as a kinda novia thing for days at the Sand Trap before it became Blackbeards. She was really treating me like a novia but she'd constantly be asking for Leche after only a few minutes. She was quite willing to do it 5 times a day wherever I pleased but that was her understanding of sex. A few minutes of thrusting and busting a nut. I'm confident she would have been exactly the same with young dominican BF and that in her experience that's what he would expect too.[/QUOTE]I am pretty sure the reason why they are so accustomed to fast sex is because 99. 999% of the young Dominican men, do not wear condoms! They slide in bare back and it only takes a few pumps for them to bust a nut. Meanwhile the gringos go down there with Cialis and Kevlar coated condoms and we can fuck for 2 hours straight without cumming and the girls get annoyed at how long it takes.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1526704]I am pretty sure the reason why they are so accustomed to fast sex is because 99. 999% of the young Dominican men, do not wear condoms! They slide in bare back and it only takes a few pumps for them to bust a nut. Meanwhile the gringos go down there with Cialis and Kevlar coated condoms and we can fuck for 2 hours straight without cumming and the girls get annoyed at how long it takes.[/QUOTE]You are 100% correct. I would also say that this is the reason so many Dominican girls are willing to or encourage us to go bareback.

This club is nothing special two poorly maintained pool tables to medium size rooms. Now what makes the place rock is the 20 young women who are dressed very sexy and have awesome bodies. They also give great lap dances. 10 bucks a shot Honestly rivals Dlatinos for quality. I was made an offer of private services from a young 20 something. The cost is prohibitive. 80 bucks for a hotel and 100 plus for the girl. She looked like your average Rumba chica. For that money I could have 5 sessions in the DR. Because when in clubs in DR you can close the deal for 40 bucks our perspective and approach is very different. In our strip clubs we know we are not scoring. In the DR what ever you see is cheap and on the menu. I use to think DR girls were the hottest thing going. Now I know we have the same thing here but we can not get access. To play with our pros you are looking at 200 to 300 for 30 minutes if you are lucky. 40 in the DR buys up to 2 hours with no holds barred. In the DR you can break out toys and lubes with no fear of rejection.

Club Extacy has given me more respect for the attractiveness of our local talent. I do not work the clubs scene very much. I am told that Extacy is a standard middle of the road club. That being said DC area has some very hot girls working the clubs.

Last night I caught a buzz and was in the back getting a very hot lap dance. Directly across from me was a female getting a lap dance as well. What an amazing treat. Got my voyeur ticket punched as well. WOOOOW

[QUOTE=OldKool;1526757]To play with our pros you are looking at 200 to 300 for 30 minutes if you are lucky.[/QUOTE]Shhhheeeeiittttttt! That's 8000 to 12000 pesos!

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1526761]Shhhheeeeiittttttt! That's 8000 to 12000 pesos![/QUOTE]Mr E came through my town last month, so I scooped him and we hit the strip club (Ponytails). Drinks were 5 USD, entrance was 5 USD (waived because I'm a regular), and the girls did lap dances for 10 USD a song. If you go to the back private rooms its 25-150 for three songs and whatever you negotiate. Me and Mr E just stayed at the bar and tipped the girls dancing on stage (spent 20 dollars on tipping and two drinks).

Oldkool is correct, this shit here in America adds up quick, compared to what we get when we travel.

The girls at the strip clubs in my area tell me some wild stories. The older dudes are super freaks. They say some guys pay 50 just to go to the back rooms and lick the girls sweaty asshole, other guys just want to lick pussy. Most of these girls are lesbos, some on drugs, and some are fishing for high paying clients for after hours. They have usually sucked off the club owner and banged security already. The key is to catch them new. The culture is hard and you can't let your guard down for one second.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1526704]Meanwhile the gringos go down there with Cialis and Kevlar coated condoms and we can fuck for 2 hours straight without cumming and the girls get annoyed at how long it takes.[/QUOTE]LOL. I completely cracked up with the 'Kevlar coating'! I do remember the anecdote of Charles Pooter as mentioned by Marc Anthony. He was referring to bars in some place close to Pto Pta – La Grua / Imbert or similar.

I would hazard that longer duration is part of a process to make sex not a "male satisfaction only" process. I am also sure the longer duration is at least partly influenced by porn. I would think the practices were quite different even 50 years back in our neck of the woods as well – Kevlar notwithstanding.

A condom should be changed for a new 1 after 30 minutes of fast and hard sex. For safety of both

I always leave it near a bed so chica can use it if she needs to.

[QUOTE=Grub1;1527040]A condom should be changed for a new 1 after 30 minutes of fast and hard sex. For safety of both[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1526718]You are 100% correct. I would also say that this is the reason so many Dominican girls are willing to or encourage us to go bareback.[/QUOTE]So your experience has been that many of the Dominican girls have encouraged you to go bareback. Would you mind elaborating on that one as I didn't have a single girl encourage me to go bareback during my two weeks back in December.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo; 1526771]Mr E came through my town last month, so I scooped him and we hit the strip club (Ponytails). Drinks were 5 USD, entrance was 5 USD (waived because I'm a regular) , and the girls did lap dances for 10 USD a song. If you go to the back private rooms its 25-150 for three songs and whatever you negotiate. Me and Mr E just stayed at the bar and tipped the girls dancing on stage (spent 20 dollars on tipping and two drinks).

Oldkool is correct, this shit here in America adds up quick, compared to what we get when we travel.

The girls at the strip clubs in my area tell me some wild stories. The older dudes are super freaks. They say some guys pay 50 just to go to the back rooms and lick the girls sweaty asshole, other guys just want to lick pussy. Most of these girls are lesbos, some on drugs, and some are fishing for high paying clients for after hours. They have usually sucked off the club owner and banged security already. The key is to catch them new. The culture is hard and you can't let your guard down for one second.[/QUOTE]I know what you mean the price adds up quickly. The last time I was in a strip club in the US was just before my first DR trip. I haven't been on backpage or a strip club since, but I have been to the DR 13 times in the last 12 months. I guess it all adds up. If I dare go to the strip joint (as we say it) now I'm going to make rain- with handfuls of quarters! That Damn Mr E gets around!

[QUOTE=Bliadun;1527061]I always leave it near a bed so chica can use it if she needs to.[/QUOTE]We all at some time think falsely that the chica is moaning because she is enjoying the sex so much. But some of the time its because the chica is hurting. All of us on here can really tell the difference if we choose to. One does not have to make a chica cum but it most defiantly helps the situation of you enjoying yourself to the fullest.

[QUOTE=Grub1;1527128]We all at some time think falsely that the chica is moaning because she is enjoying the sex so much. But some of the time its because the chica is hurting.[/QUOTE]But, don't some get off on that or, conversely, isn't that an occasional turn on?

[quote=surfer500;1527104]so your experience has been that many of the dominican girls have encouraged you to go bareback. would you mind elaborating on that one as i didn't have a single girl encourage me to go bareback during my two weeks back in december.[/quote]of all of the close guys / friends i know that share openly their experiences, coupled with my own, i never got the impression any of those chicas encouraged bareback for the reason manizales911 was signing off on. personally, i experienced girls that didn't have a problem going bareback because they may have a similar problem as men. condom use reduces the sensation considerably. so many chicas will go bareback because they want to enjoy the sex just as much as the man their fucking.

moreover, many chicas have another motivation. many chicas take it personally when a man they are fucking doesn't "leche". many men lose their erections with condom use. the chica who wants to please her client, has to deal with a man with a limp dick. so enough chicas will accommodate some dudes by allowing them to go bareback to make sure they come. but not necessarily encouraging bareback because a guy is taking too long. otth, if a guy is taking too long, some chicas dont do anything to resolve the issue. they just look at it as that mans problem. thats they did their part.

many of the p4p chicas ( and non pros ) doing bareback may have took care of avoiding pregnancy by taking a shot, tube tying or some other means. that may be their main concern, but throw caution to the wind when it comes to hiv and std's. imo thats the reason enough chicas are allowing bareback. they are not overly concerned about hiv or std, but do care about avoiding getting pregnant. unless of course that chica is trying to trap a dude by getting pregnant. i haven't experienced or heard about any chicas encouraging bareback to speed up the session. i see them happening into going bareback because some guys will attempt to slip it in without a condom, and the chica doesn't even flinch. imo it means she wants to enjoy the session just as much as the man. and she wants him to get off.

there are men who have the ability to hold back on coming, even going bareback. and there are chicas who are enjoying every minute of it, not concerned about how long the guy is taking to come. but once his time is up. bareback or not, she is free to leave. she is under no obligation to stay longer to make a guy come.

i will say this. there are many dominican chicas that have very small vagina openings. or maybe they dont even like sex that much. or are disgusted by their client. those chicas are very likely to have a problem with a guy taking too long. going bareback isn't necessarily their solution to reducing their discomfort or disgust though. most chicas seem quite capable of ending a session with a guy ( for whatever reason ) without resorting to going bareback as a solution.

Many of the p4p chicas (and non pros) doing bareback may have took care of avoiding pregnancy by taking a shot, tube tying or some other means. That may be their main concern, but throw caution to the wind when it comes to HIV and STD's. IMO thats the reason enough chicas are allowing bareback. They are not overly concerned about HIV or STD, but do care about avoiding getting pregnant.

Thank you for your take on things but I am confused why you think the p4p chicas are not concerned about getting an STD, this doesn't make sense to me.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1527314]Many of the p4p chicas ( and non pros ) doing bareback may have took care of avoiding pregnancy by taking a shot, tube tying or some other means.[/QUOTE]Many good points. Don't forget that the most common means of contraception is the pill as hormone preparations like Yasmin are available over the counter without prescription in all pharmacies.

If chicas are going with the same guy over any period of time, the switch to bareback will probably occur on the second or third date, I would say.

I must admit that I often (but not always) find it hard to finish with a condom and often have to switch to some other more effective method after fucking. I find two hands plus oil can work well and replicate the bareback experience without the additional risks and complications. In any case a bareback fuck is usually worth three in the condom.

Has anyone ever had a chica insist on some kind of barrier like cling film for cunnilingus? No, I thought not!

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1527343]Many good points. Don't forget that the most common means of contraception is the pill as hormone preparations like Yasmin are available over the counter without prescription in all pharmacies.

If chicas are going with the same guy over any period of time, the switch to bareback will probably occur on the second or third date, I would say.

I must admit that I often (but not always) find it hard to finish with a condom and often have to switch to some other more effective method after fucking. I find two hands plus oil can work well and replicate the bareback experience without the additional risks and complications. In any case a bareback fuck is usually worth three in the condom.

Has anyone ever had a chica insist on some kind of barrier like cling film for cunnilingus? No, I thought not![/QUOTE]Speaking of oral sex. Most of the chicas I've experienced loved having oral done to them. I can probably count only a few times a chica refused or made me stop because she didn't want me to do it or continue. In some cases the reasoning was she knew she was still menstruating, but she didn't want me to get a mouth full of blood. She knew that I would be seriously pissed if that happened. Discovering her menstrual flow during fucking is another story. I'm sure some guys can relate.

Another reason although it seems rare, some chicas like oral done to them, but they don't want to come orally. They want to come with a man inside of them. I recall my ex PP chica who made sure I wore a condom every time without exception. Has done BBBJ w / CIM to me, but had a problem with me making her come orally. If I made her come orally, her interest in continuing with intercourse was almost a chore. It seemed like she lost most of her desire to continue if she came orally. So she would let me get a few minutes in and after that she wanted me to strap up. She got off better when she rode me. She could concentrate on stimulating herself without loosing the feeling.

Saturday 2/1 bumped into a chica I met last Nov at that sandwich shop across from the metro bus station. Took her number, but she wasnt around when I came back in December. While walking on the beach (Sosua) , I spotted 2 chicas walking ahead of us. When we caught up with them, I asked one of them if she was "Yeni". She said no, her name was "Jenny". Well I didn't realize she pronounces her name Yeni as Jenny. I backed off in that moment, somewhat embarrassed that I thought she was someone I knew. Then I looked at my phone found her whatsapp contact info and photo and put it together that it was her.

I showed to her and explained when and where we met. Now she remembered. Ironically, her and her friend were pacing themselves by how we were walking. When we stopped at 64 Jorges restaurant, suddenly they decided to stop too. They got themselves a table, just 20 ft from us. After we all ate at our respective tables, everybody was forced to retreat inside the restaurant because it was raining cats and dogs. While inside made a date with her to come to my spot in an hour.

She came by moto. Chica had a very nice body. Had a decent session with her, but Im sure would have enjoyed it more if I was bareback. Didn't come but hung in there. We cleaned up, and I escorted her back to catch a moto. It was cool to connect with this chica, after having her contact info since Nov. Went out later, and bumped into another chica I had been with a few times. She was a semi regular. Had her come over by moto around midnight. She spent the night. Good times.

Sunday 2/2 I was experiencing the effects of all of the men in town. I only had one chica I know who kept calling or texting me. Every other chica I usually hear from was ghost. One in particular, my cable guys sister, she really surprised me. We had a date on Saturday and she even cancelled. Said lets try tomorrow. Truth was, with the amount of dudes in town as there were, her and enough chicas had their fill of action from dudes that were right there in front of them.

And incidently, thats the reason many chicas may stand a dude up. It aint because he is doing something wrong. Here is an example. A chica is hanging in Rumba or DLatins. You have a date for lets say 10PM. At any time she may get a client ("a bird in the hand") that will take her off the market for a session or for the night. If that happens and it may interfere with her being on time for the date, typically a chica will shoot a message or a call to her "scheduled" date that she can't make it.

Or she'll change the time. Insert lie / reason here______. There aint nothing that dude did wrong. In her mind she is probably thinking, she won't lose you as a client. She'll just put you on hold until she is available. She's got to make that money staring at her in her face. It's just the course of doing business. Just like a hotel changing your reservation when you get there, telling you they are going to put you over here for a few days, then later they will put you in the room you requested. In the DR people very often the " bird in the hand" philosophy prevails over trying to keep a regular customer happy.

[quote=wrx2005; 1527314]of all of the close guys / friends i know that share openly their experiences, coupled with my own, i never got the impression any of those chicas encouraged bareback for the reason manizales911 was signing off on. personally, i experienced girls that didn't have a problem going bareback because they may have a similar problem as men. condom use reduces the sensation considerably. so many chicas will go bareback because they want to enjoy the sex just as much as the man their fucking.

moreover, many chicas have another motivation. many chicas take it personally when a man they are fucking doesn't "leche". many men lose their erections with condom use. the chica who wants to please her client, has to deal with a man with a limp dick. so enough chicas will accommodate some dudes by allowing them to go bareback to make sure they come. but not necessarily encouraging bareback because a guy is taking too long. otth, if a guy is taking too long, some chicas don't do anything to resolve the issue. they just look at it as that mans problem. thats they did their part.

many of the p4p chicas (and non pros) doing bareback may have took care of avoiding pregnancy by taking a shot, tube tying or some other means. that may be their main concern, but throw caution to the wind when it comes to hiv and std's. imo thats the reason enough chicas are allowing bareback. they are not overly concerned about hiv or std, but do care about avoiding getting pregnant. unless of course that chica is trying to trap a dude by getting pregnant. i haven't experienced or heard about any chicas encouraging bareback to speed up the session. i see them happening into going bareback because some guys will attempt to slip it in without a condom, and the chica doesn't even flinch. imo it means she wants to enjoy the session just as much as the man. and she wants him to get off.

there are men who have the ability to hold back on coming, even going bareback. and there are chicas who are enjoying every minute of it, not concerned about how long the guy is taking to come. but once his time is up. bareback or not, she is free to leave. she is under no obligation to stay longer to make a guy come.

i will say this. there are many dominican chicas that have very small vagina openings. or maybe they don't even like sex that much. or are disgusted by their client. those chicas are very likely to have a problem with a guy taking too long. going bareback isn't necessarily their solution to reducing their discomfort or disgust though. most chicas seem quite capable of ending a session with a guy (for whatever reason) without resorting to going bareback as a solution.[/quote]wrx2005, you could be right i never gave it a lot of thought as to why they seem so willing to give it up bareback so easily or initiate it. your reasoning makes a lot of sense.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1527104]So your experience has been that many of the Dominican girls have encouraged you to go bareback. Would you mind elaborating on that one as I didn't have a single girl encourage me to go bareback during my two weeks back in December.[/QUOTE]I would venture to say that it is because all of your girls were first time encounters. I only have a couple of first timers per trip, the rest are all repeats.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1527343]In any case a bareback fuck is usually worth three in the condom.[/QUOTE]Was this a play on "a bird in the hand is worth two in the Bush"? (lol)

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1527326]Many of the p4p chicas (and non pros) doing bareback may have took care of avoiding pregnancy by taking a shot, tube tying or some other means.[/QUOTE]Birth control? I see you don't know DR very well. The birth control there is known as pulling out. I have met chicks for the first time and they have agreed to have a baby for me.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1527326]Thank you for your take on things but I am confused why you think the p4p chicas are not concerned about getting an STD, this doesn't make sense to me.[/QUOTE]Welcome to DR.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1527424]Birth control? I see you don't know DR very well. The birth control there is known as pulling out. I have met chicks for the first time and they have agreed to have a baby for me.[/QUOTE]I discovered that a termination of unwanted pregnancy is a criminal offense there, thanks much to the Catholic ethos which also strongly militates against kevlar (not to speak of poverty. Making buying kevlar an issue). No wonder in addition to what you said, the teen pregnancy is high. On the flip side, one gets to have sex, the way God or Nature, depending on your belief system, intended.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1527424]Birth control? I see you don't know DR very well. The birth control there is known as pulling out. I have met chicks for the first time and they have agreed to have a baby for me.

Welcome to DR.[/QUOTE]Not in respects to pro's, almost all pro's take birth control.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1527359]Sunday 2/2 I was experiencing the effects of all of the men in town. I only had one chica I know who kept calling or texting me. Every other chica I usually hear from was ghost. One in particular, my cable guys sister, she really surprised me. We had a date on Saturday and she even cancelled. Said lets try tomorrow. Truth was, with the amount of dudes in town as there were, her and enough chicas had their fill of action from dudes that were right there in front of them.[/QUOTE]This confirms the suspicion I've always had and is the reason I do not travel to other countries during holidays and major events in the US."Hey bro, it's Super Bowl / Memorial Day / 4th of July / Labor Day / Thanksgiving. Let's go to the DR!"

I realize that most of us do this to maximize our vacation days, but just realize that in doing so (traveling during these time frames) there is a 99.9% chance that your favorite chica will not be available when requested. OR you may just end up having to wait in a long queue (of guys; some of whom have been waiting 6 months to a year or more toget back inside the same chica) until she clears some space for you in her schedule.

Better yet: for anyone who would like to find out if your chica is "not like all the other chicas", show up during a US holiday weekend unannounced. If she can't meet with you...

I was in Colombia just a few weeks ago. I purposely waited for Christmas and all the New Year's rah rah to be well over and done with well before I showed up. Save for a few flakes, I had no trouble in scheduling and banging every chica I had planned on banging. Most of them were not tied up with 20+ horny gringos blowing up their phones every 5 minutes.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1527359]Sunday 2/2 I was experiencing the effects of all of the men in town. I only had one chica I know who kept calling or texting me. Every other chica I usually hear from was ghost. One in particular, my cable guys sister, she really surprised me. We had a date on Saturday and she even cancelled. Said lets try tomorrow. Truth was, with the amount of dudes in town as there were, her and enough chicas had their fill of action from dudes that were right there in front of them.

[QUOTE]I'll been waiting to hear this vibe. Sounds like Super Bowl was a bust. Not the 4 to 1 theory.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1527314]Unless of course that chica is trying to trap a dude by getting pregnant.[/QUOTE]What do you mean by trap, child support?

I'm curious how to deal with such entrapment or an attempt of entrapment if this ever happens.

[QUOTE=Surfer500; 1527326]Many of the p4p chicas (and non pros) doing bareback may have took care of avoiding pregnancy by taking a shot, tube tying or some other means. That may be their main concern, but throw caution to the wind when it comes to HIV and STD's. IMO thats the reason enough chicas are allowing bareback. They are not overly concerned about HIV or STD, but do care about avoiding getting pregnant.

Thank you for your take on things but I am confused why you think the p4p chicas are not concerned about getting an STD, this doesn't make sense to me.[/QUOTE]I didn't say "the p4p chicas". Thats too much of a generalization. I said, MANY of the p4p chicas. Which means there are enough who arent concerned about STD / HIV. Or I should say, they arent taking any measures to avoid it, just like the guy going bareback is taking a chance as well. I have experienced equal amounts of chicas insisting on condoms as well as those not caring if we went bareback. Maybe slightly more insisting on a condom. I have had some insist on a condom at 1st, but they werent firm about it. They just wanted to appear like they cared about a man wearing a condom. Probably didn't want to appear like she was a reckless ****. But then that can be said for enough men who act like a condom is a must. But will easily go bareback if offered a chance to.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1527384]Was this a play on "a bird in the hand is worth two in the Bush"? (lol)[/QUOTE]Absolutely!

[QUOTE=Bliadun; 1527495]What do you mean by trap, child support?

I'm curious how to deal with such entrapment or an attempt of entrapment if this ever happens.[/QUOTE]Well yes. An unwanted child, with the potential of having to pay child support. My understanding now is, the state of NJ is cooperating with the DR in going after NJ resident men who father children in the DR to support their children. I can only imagine other states may follow suit. The key is the chica would need to get as much info as she can to bring to the proper authorities. Your full name, telephone number, address and perhaps more.

I feel more vulnerable now that I have an apartment. But even for a dude staying at a hotel, his personal info the hotel has might be given to the authorities upon request.

Police taking DNA sample against your will based on chica's statement?

There must be some sort of procedure for such cases.

Anyone had an experience like this in DR?

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1527588]Well yes. An unwanted child, with the potential of having to pay child support. My understanding now is, the state of NJ is cooperating with the DR in going after NJ resident men who father children in the DR to support their children. I can only imagine other states may follow suit. The key is the chica would need to get as much info as she can to bring to the proper authorities. Your full name, telephone number, address and perhaps more.

I feel more vulnerable now that I have an apartment. But even for a dude staying at a hotel, his personal info the hotel has might be given to the authorities upon request.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bliadun; 1527709]Police taking DNA sample against your will based on chica's statement?

There must be some sort of procedure for such cases.

Anyone had an experience like this in DR?[/QUOTE]A DNA test could only be a good thing. If the child is not yours, then it clears you of all legal responsibility, but if the child is yours, then why would you not want try to give your Dominican son or daughter the best life possible?

[QUOTE=Frannie;1527748]A DNA test could only be a good thing. If the child is not yours, then it clears you of all legal responsibility, but if the child is yours, then why would you not want try to give your Dominican son or daughter the best life possible?[/QUOTE]I agree. Just take a DNA kit from the USA down to the DR after the baby is born, swab the baby's cheek and bring the kit back to the USA and in a few days you will know if you are the father or not, that's what I did to determine if my Colombian daughter was truly mine. I can't imagine not knowing for certain and I certainly would never abandon my responsibility as a father of any child I put on this earth.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1527759]I agree. I can't imagine not knowing for certain and I certainly would never abandon my responsibility as a father of any child I put on this earth.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Frannie;1527748].but if the child is yours, then why would you not want try to give your Dominican son or daughter the best life possible?[/QUOTE]Are you both "infuckinsane"?

Why on earth would you do that? The deal was, you pay her for sex and then she goes away unless you call her for more. No strings.

The insanity of letting some random hooker from Sosewer decide the next 18 years of your financial life (unless you are rich enough to afford it but then you wouldn't be banging hoes in the DR) is beyond belief!

So then, go back and find every ho you barebacked and see if she's now a mother. You might get lucky!

[QUOTE=Rjsss212; 1527851]Are you both "infuckinsane"?

Why on earth would you do that? The deal was, you pay her for sex and then she goes away unless you call her for more. No strings.

The insanity of letting some random hooker from Sosewer decide the next 18 years of your financial life (unless you are rich enough to afford it but then you wouldn't be banging hoes in the DR) is beyond belief!

So then, go back and find every ho you barebacked and see if she's now a mother. You might get lucky![/QUOTE]Well that's your take on it, not mine. I make sure that my daughter is well clothed, fed, and schooled, it costs peanuts in my financial life. I talk to her on an almost daily basis also, she is probably one of the only kids in her class that know who their father is. To each their own.

[QUOTE=Rjsss212; 1527851]Are you both "infuckinsane"?

Why on earth would you do that? The deal was, you pay her for sex and then she goes away unless you call her for more. No strings.

The insanity of letting some random hooker from Sosewer decide the next 18 years of your financial life (unless you are rich enough to afford it but then you wouldn't be banging hoes in the DR) is beyond belief!

So then, go back and find every ho you barebacked and see if she's now a mother. You might get lucky![/QUOTE]This has been an interesting if not comical series of posts, almost unbelievable!

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1527857]To each their own.[/QUOTE]Indeed. Sounds like you found what you were looking for.

Best of luck.

Manizales911 you are a stand up man

[QUOTE=Rjsss212; 1527851]Are you both "infuckinsane"?

Why on earth would you do that? The deal was, you pay her for sex and then she goes away unless you call her for more. No strings.

The insanity of letting some random hooker from Sosewer decide the next 18 years of your financial life (unless you are rich enough to afford it but then you wouldn't be banging hoes in the DR) is beyond belief!

So then, go back and find every ho you barebacked and see if she's now a mother. You might get lucky![/QUOTE]That would be a worst case scenario, but one that would point to the lack of wisdom in having bareback sex with random hookers. If you are going to have bareback sex with CIV, you probably need a sufficiently data-based assessment of the character of the chica who tells you she is on the pill. And you might ask her what brand of pill she is taking, what time she takes it, and ask to see her pills, before you plunge ahead. Of course there are risks on both sides and it takes two to tango, so the chica who becomes pregnant by a random monger is not showing much intelligence either.

[QUOTE=Bliadun; 1527709]Police taking DNA sample against your will based on chica's statement?

There must be some sort of procedure for such cases.

Anyone had an experience like this in DR?[/QUOTE]I do not have specifics, but I would venture to guess that the DR will contact an agency in the states to have a DNA test ordered on the named individual. Maybe the results are sent to the DR? Or maybe if you return to the DR your name is flagged at the airport and you are detained. I have no clue how they would go about getting a guy tested based on a complaint.

[QUOTE=Uncle226;1527937]Manizales911 you are a stand up man[/QUOTE]I agree. It takes balls to speak of it, in forums like this as well.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1527858]This has been an interesting if not comical series of posts, almost unbelievable![/QUOTE]I don't find it comical at all.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1528026]I don't find it comical at all.[/QUOTE]I concur with RJSS212 on this topic. Hookers are not for having children with and the thought of it is what I find comical. However your caring for your daughter as mentioned in one of your earlier posts is admirable.

Either from a condom or her mouth (CIM) or any other way. Even if you did not go for bareback.

Do you think you should be responsible for child support in such case?

[QUOTE=Frannie;1527748]A DNA test could only be a good thing. If the child is not yours, then it clears you of all legal responsibility, but if the child is yours, then why would you not want try to give your Dominican son or daughter the best life possible?[/QUOTE]

decided to take a ride to santiago, asked 3 of my buddies on vacay in sosua to take the ride with me. my mission was to go to see a lady i met back in july. 2013. she co-owns a salon near the downtown area about a 1/2 mile away from the monument. i had phased out contact with her but always was quite fond of her. this means, i like the lady but didn't think i was going to maintain a relationship with her. especially since that might interfere with my enjoyment in the north coast. my other mission was to simply do something different, and give my buddies something else to do.

quick on the ground weather & sosua conditions report before i continue. it has been raining almost every day since i arrived to pop jan 25. this is the 1st time i have seen this much consistent rain in a while. me and my friends love the playa, but this rain has put a serious damper on our ability to go to the playa daily. the rain may start early in the morning, and clear up within an hour. later mid afternoon another shower, and clear up again. maybe late afternoon a full blown down pour or another shower. damn how much rain are we going to get?

a lot of dudes left monday to return home. some cats had flights, but had them cancelled due to inclement weather at their connection airport or final destinations. a lot more left the area on tuesday, and even more had flights cancelled too. but the most significant detail is that many chicas were still around and much less mongers in town. last night tuesday, i saw some chicas i didn't see in the last few days. could have been hemmed up with clients or perhaps they are johnny come latelys? a couple of my regulars mysteriously were available and calling.

anyway, we arrive to santiago but not without suffering through mucho traffic, and yes rain. we went to kukura macara restaurant across from the monument. right away the parking attendent and several staff members recognized and greeted me when we went in. almost felt like a celebrity. we sit down to eat (4pm) and a few customers come in. were all on the 2nd tier of the restaurant where you have a clear view of the street, and the monument. along the street are stages set up because every sunday they have carnival.

looks like sundays by the monument is the place to be if you are visiting santiago. 3 people come in and end up sitting behind me. it was a couple and their sexy 3rd wheel. at some point she had to go to the ladies room, but when she came back we made eye contact and exchanged smiles. after that, i kept thinking about turning around and introducing myself, but decided maybe it might not be a good idea. maybe her date / boyfriend was on his way? well when it was time to leave, i decided i wasnt going to let this fish getaway. in the states, i missed many potential opps because i talked myself out of approaching a woman. especially some of those mean mugging women.

when i got down stairs, i asked the parking guy for paper and a pen. i write my contact info, and i hand it to him, and ask him to give it to the lady. apparently she was eyeballing us the whole time. i looked up and smiled at her and raised my hand to give her the "call me" sign. she smiled and nodded as if to say yes. about a 1/2 hour later she whatsapped me. turns out she is from la vega and the other couple, the lady was her aunt who lives in santiago. we have been whatsapping since. her and i to be continued.

went to see the salon lady in santiago. i surprised her walking through the door. i don't know if that was a bad move or not because after meeting that chica from la vega my gut was thinking whats the point of re-starting something with the salon lady? we left and headed back to sosua.

there is a chica i met last december, said she was going to be in sosua today, but found out she didn't come yet. so i called one of my regulars that lives in montellano, and had her come over after she got off work. next day, tuesday around 1pm, i'm sitting in my car in front of maui mau restaurant when i spot this cute, petite chica (she's 27) with a nice round ass, walking toward the road down to the playa. once eye contact was made, she quickly steers towards me. i take her number, a quick photo and made a potential date with her for later.

me and my buddies spot her again while were chillin on the beach. i look at that round ass again in those pink shorts and think to myself, maybe i should snag this chica now before i lose my turn? when we lock eyes, i go up to her to give her a specific time of 4 for us to meet up. of course she's down. 4 comes and i scooped the chica up about a block from rumba. stopped for some food, and off to my spot. i'm usually not into afternoon sessions, but this girls ass made me change my mind in an instant. a very passionate filled session. in mish girl knew how to position her legs close so she could eventually get off. i just love seeing these girls come. seems like some of them should be paying us, instead of the other way around?

aside from the sex, she was very good company for the time we were together. i eventually dropped her off. i told her i wanted to see her in a dress and heels. she agreed. so later at rumbas we met again, and she came in a sexy form fitting white dress with black heels. i wasnt going to take her again so soon, but thought why not? plus apparently she was expecting me to. ironically, she spent the night, but i haven't touched her yet. i was too sleepy. but she is in bed now sleeping. maybe i'll tackle it before i drop her off again? i haven't tried hitting it doggie yet, but i must say, thats what her ass looks like it's made for. i don't know if having monger experience is paying off, or perhaps i just picked the right chica?

because i never negotiated with the chica. we never talked how long for her time. after we were done and leaving my spot, she picked up her purse. i reached for it, and stuffed the money in her purse. she closed it, and that was the end of that. no need to worry, because she got more than what the going rate is for st. i gave her a propina for our overall companionship together. in the morning, i will give her a little more.

also, i gave the speech. i told her i know she is here to make money for her family (according to her she has 3 kids) , so i don't want us to be playing games. if she is with somebody it's no problem for me, and when i am with somebody i don't want her trippin'. i wanted to nip shit in the bud. because many of these chicas even the non hardcore chicas try to run game as if you are going to be their main client. and acting like they are jealous if they see you patronizing other chicas. also wanted to make sure she understood i wasnt some stupid dude that was catching feelings. well that part she'll find out eventually.

that chica from december is coming today. i don't know how many other guys are waiting for her juicy ass, but i hope i get an early crack at it. thats another chica i had no problem having an afternoon session with. good times. no lie, now that the sb frenzy has lifted, i see a lot more chicas around, and much less mongers now. met another potential last night. some may remember her. her name is china, pronounced "cheena". long black hair, round ass, cat like eyes. maybe a little too much makeup, but still sexy. very receptive, could have took her right then and there, but didn't have time. took her number for later. many chicas around. many with that please take me look. thats my observation on the street and during my brief visit to rumba's. now this is the sosua i like and the way it is supposed to be. i still have other options from girls i usually connect with. got to eventually squeeze them in this month. one thing is apparent. you really don't need a plan for a vacation, especially if you know how to make contacts with chicas and follow up later when you are ready.

[QUOTE=Bliadun; 1528069]Either from a condom or her mouth (CIM) or any other way. Even if you did not go for bareback.

Do you think you should be responsible for child support in such case?[/QUOTE]I think the law would say yes. I have never heard of a case where a court had absolved a father of paternity for those reasons, but perhaps it has happened. In any case the child would still be the grandchild of your parents, niece or nephew of your siblings, cousin of their children, partial heir to your estate, and so on. Wasn't there a case some years back when billionaire Steve Bing denied that he was the father of Elizabeth Hurley's child even though he was her lover at the time she became pregnant? How many men was she having unprotected sex with?

As regards the morality of impregnating self with contents of condom or mouth after paid sex, I would agree that such behavior would be morally despicable.

I suppose chicas have less resources than Elizabeth Hurley.

Even if it was unpaid sex such actions are despicable.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1528156]I think the law would say yes. I have never heard of a case where a court had absolved a father of paternity for those reasons, but perhaps it has happened. In any case the child would still be the grandchild of your parents, niece or nephew of your siblings, cousin of their children, partial heir to your estate, and so on. Wasn't there a case some years back when billionaire Steve Bing denied that he was the father of Elizabeth Hurley's child even though he was her lover at the time she became pregnant? How many men was she having unprotected sex with?

As regards the morality of impregnating self with contents of condom or mouth after paid sex, I would agree that such behavior would be morally despicable.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bliadun; 1528174]I suppose chicas have less resources than Elizabeth Hurley.

Even if it was unpaid sex such actions are despicable.[/QUOTE]Yes, indeed. The story here may give those who are curious some idea of how the legal mechanics might work in an international case of disputed paternity. Bing flew to London to give a DNA sample so as to avoid being subpoenaed to do the same thing in California. (Link is to story about this, so don't click it if you are looking for a Sosua trip report.)

[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-124116/Bing-father-Lizs-baby.html[/url]

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1527484]This confirms the suspicion I've always had and is the reason I do not travel to other countries during holidays and major events in the US."Hey bro, it's Super Bowl / Memorial Day / 4th of July / Labor Day / Thanksgiving. Let's go to the DR!"

I realize that most of us do this to maximize our vacation days, but just realize that in doing so (traveling during these time frames) there is a 99. 9% chance that your favorite chica will not be available when requested. OR you may just end up having to wait in a long queue (of guys; some of whom have been waiting 6 months to a year or more toget back inside the same chica) until she clears some space for you in her schedule.[/QUOTE]I think I have mixed feelings about whether or not it's a good idea to come during the holidays or major events. When it comes to the holidays, I think the key is to come before most chicas go back home after they made their holiday cash. Now when it comes to SB time, I do not think guys should dismiss this as a time to come. Here's why? Lots and lots of extra chicas show up during this time. You might not have your favorite chica available, but you just might meet some brand new (brand new to us) talent.

I do believe thats what I observed from the time I arrived up until game day. One important detail should be considered. I do not go out late at night regularly. Only on occasion. And I am not a frequent visitor of Rumba or D'Latins. So someone should not decide on whether or not to come based on my time on the strip. Thats like adjusting ones vacation based on what CubaDave has to say. I think guys need to come and judge for themselves. I go to Rumba or D'Latins when the spirit hits me, especially with friends. I like to hang out and fish from Rockys, the playa, the supermercado or where ever I spot a chica, day or night. While sitting at Rockys I observed dozens and dozens of guys coming from the strip walking with their dates for the evening. So the numbers of chicas available was more than enough for the mongers on hand. I observed groups of chicas walking around on the playa. Saw some cuties I could have talked to at the Supermercado. They were there on hand.

But I do believe mongers who had favoritas would be in a queue as you stated because they might have more clients available. Even if they know you are around, they might figure they'll get to you eventually. But like I stated earlier, IMO I think SB week was the perfect time to meet some new talent. Now had I gone around the corner more to D'Latins / Rumba I'm sure I could have found a bunch of interesting women I liked. Just so happens, I had 2 regulars I spent time with the 1st couple of days, plus I took a break for a couple of days. My goal was to pace myself since I have plenty of days in the DR ahead. Now thats my honest brotherly perspective. Selfishly speaking, every dude who decides to stay away when the holidays approach or during special events is welcome to do so. That will help provide a variety of chicas for me and help preserve Sosuas buyers market! LOL.

[QUOTE=Bliadun; 1528069]Either from a condom or her mouth (CIM) or any other way. Even if you did not go for bareback.

Do you think you should be responsible for child support in such case?[/QUOTE]Legally responsible, maybe not. Morally, absolutely, why would you punish the child for how he / she was conceived.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1528176]Yes, indeed. The story here may give those who are curious some idea of how the legal mechanics might work in an international case of disputed paternity. Bing flew to London to give a DNA sample so as to avoid being subpoenaed to do the same thing in California. (Link is to story about this, so don't click it if you are looking for a Sosua trip report.)

[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-124116/Bing-father-Lizs-baby.html[/url][/QUOTE]Not applicable to the DR. These are Dom Perignon champagne mongers vs. Presidente mongers. Bigger stakes and much more resources.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1527748]A DNA test could only be a good thing. If the child is not yours, then it clears you of all legal responsibility, but if the child is yours, then why would you not want try to give your Dominican son or daughter the best life possible?[/QUOTE]No need to pass moral judgement. This is a board about sex not parenting.

[QUOTE=Bliadun; 1528069]Either from a condom or her mouth (CIM) or any other way. Even if you did not go for bareback.

Do you think you should be responsible for child support in such case?[/QUOTE]Lots of times the girl does not know your contact info. Generally it is not a good idea to give contact info to working girls. For non working girls it is a different matter.

Non working girls become your GF per se and will allow you bareback sex. Some of the working girls allow BB.

For those guys who continue to be in touch with working girls I say not do it. Sex is had, money is exchanged and to each own way out.

By keeping in touch with opens you to lot of hassles and scams. Working girls and some of the non working girls are adept in exploiting the situation the moment you show weakness.

It has happened to lots of mongers including me. Luckily for me once I disputed paternity with a GF of mine from Phi she backed out saying she had a BF from school.

I know of some cases where the guy went to extraordinary lengths to find out he is the father and started supporting both the mother and child. However once he started it the demand kept skyrocketing for this and that.

In spite of his best intentions he had no choice but to ignore. Yes, morally it is wrong but cannot support mother and child for them to live like queens in a third world country.

Last night I pulled a Chica from the Strip and after our session which was not bareback, I asked her what the lowdown was on bare-backing and the girls in Latinas / Rumbas / Central Bar, etc. She said that a lot of the girls do it for between 4,000 and 5,000 Pesos. She also said some of the girls have boy-friends or whatever that force them to bring home additional money or the men become become physically violent with them.

Can anyone confirm what I heard from this one Chica?

Abortions are illegal, however, there is a pill for stomach issues called Citek. The girl can insert a few pills into her vagina and they will abort shortly afterwards. It is not painless and will be less painful the sooner it is done. Some pharmacies will not sell to a woman, because they know what it's for.

A part time girlfriend did this after I knocked her up, without prompting from me.

Hi all,

New poster here, and new to the DR. I'd like to begin by thanking everyone who has contributed useful information here and in related threads.

I just arrived in Sosua, and started off with an afternoon session with a chica I spotted in a bar near Rumba. I probably should have kept looking a bit longer, but I was too much in need of release and she was pretty enough. She also spoke some English, which was good since I unfortunately don't know Spanish beyond a few words. She quoted me 3K. I got her down to half that (could have haggled harder but wasn't in the mood for it) and we went off to my hotel. The session was okay, not great but ended on a positive note with some very nice doggy style. Her soft body (a little bit on the chubby side, which is perfectly fine to me) was made for that. I have no intention to repeat with her, but it was not too bad a start.

While I do have a bit of experience from mongering in Europe and Thailand, I could absolutely use a bit of help to get the most out of my trip here. If anyone feels like grabbing a couple of beers and sharing knowledge, it would be much appreciated. Just PM me after my subscription goes through. I'm staying at the Casa Cayena for two weeks.

Things never work out how you expect.

I went out a couple of nights ago with my favorite, and she was looking sensational, I must say. So we got another very pretty girl who goes to the same gym at the casino as hired help for a threesome and went to a cabana and took photos and I fucked my favorita with the #2 girl in a somewhat assistive role, observing us and lending a helpful hand at the right moment.

As we went to the car the second girl told my fave that she really liked her and would like to eat her pussy, which my girl didn't want to go for as she is not a lesbo and does not like the idea of sex with a woman, which is her right. Since then girl #2 seems to be infatuated and has been bombarding her (#1) with phone calls and text messages saying she loves her and wants to meet again.

Only in Sosua!

[QUOTE=Surfer500; 1528290]Last night I pulled a Chica from the Strip and after our session which was not bareback, I asked her what the lowdown was on bare-backing and the girls in Latinas / Rumbas / Central Bar, etc. She said that a lot of the girls do it for between 4, 000 and 5, 000 Pesos. She also said some of the girls have boy-friends or whatever that force them to bring home additional money or the men become become physically violent with them.

Can anyone confirm what I heard from this one Chica?[/QUOTE]I'm still here in Sosua and will get back to my trip reports later. Most of the girls start out asking for 2000 or 2500. Usual closing deal amount (for me) is 1500 or 2000. Just through conversation I've had several offer BBFS for another 500. I'm not sure if it's a YMMV type thing after she's sized you up.

I don't know anything about the physically abusive part.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1527857]Well that's your take on it, not mine. I talk to her on an almost daily basis also, she is probably one of the only kids in her class that know who their father is. To each their own.[/QUOTE]As a single parent myself I respect any man to handle the responsibility, however I hope you've been in her class and saying that's factually. If not I think that's some real prejudice shit to say

[QUOTE=Sammon; 1528251]I know of some cases where the guy went to extraordinary lengths to find out he is the father and started supporting both the mother and child. However once he started it the demand kept skyrocketing for this and that.

In spite of his best intentions he had no choice but to ignore. Yes, morally it is wrong but cannot support mother and child for them to live like queens in a third world country.[/QUOTE]I could see how this could happen. It could be as simple as a chica saying "Do you want your child to starve?" Or if it is a girl: "Do you want your daughter to grow up to be a prostitute?"

You could be sending this chia un chingo de dinero, and she can simply reply "it is still not enough".

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1528190]I think I have mixed feelings about whether or not it's a good idea to come during the holidays or major events. When it comes to the holidays, I think the key is to come before most chicas go back home after they made their holiday cash. Now when it comes to SB time, I do not think guys should dismiss this as a time to come. Here's why? Lots and lots of extra chicas show up during this time. You might not have your favorite chica available, but you just might meet some brand new (brand new to us) talent.[/QUOTE]I absolutely agree with you bro. I guess I should have expounded on this a bit more in relation to the DR. I was meaning to say that this is probably a problem island wide: not just in Sosua. Lots of guys travel during the holidays and I was pointing out that even if you landed someplace like SD or Santiago, if two or three of you are trying to get at the same chica (who lives in SD or Santiago) at the same time (one of you could be trying to get her take a bus to visit you in Sosua, the other two could both be staying in SD completely unaware of the other) , she is going to have to decide on who she "needs" (notice I said "needs" and not "wants") to see the most.

The guy in Sosua could have been sending her money twice a month via Western Union for the past three months. If she wants that gravy train to continue, she is not going to blow this one off. The other two guys in SD wanting to see her will probably be sitting in their hotel rooms holding their dick if they didn't plan for backups.

In this situation, the "Lots and lots of extra (freelance) chicas show up during this time" does not apply to a place like SD or Santiago.

We Medellin mongers deal with this type of situation all the time. The only time where the "Lots and lots of extra (freelance) chicas show up during this time" would be true is some place like the Mansion. Other than that, there is no central spot like Sosua in Medallo.

I'm positive some of the times I got a last minute "new proposed date/time" from a chica was due to a favorite rolling into town and demanding her company. And am sure some of my regulars have cancelled dates on other mongers once I roll into town. Yin and Yang.

The above scenario gets magnified x1000 during gringo holidays (what we have dubbed as "gringo influx").

Hey gents,

My buddy and I have plane reservations for Sosua on March 1. As much as we like the Chica prices, we are a bit concerned about safety in Sosua after reading multiple reports of blackmail, extortion and murder of foreigners. We had booked the Casa Valeria but cancelled that to find more info. We have lots of experience with the scams, petty police corruption, and street ratero scams in Tijuana but are noobs in Sosua. If things go bad in Tijuana we can get to the border quickly. Sosua is not such a quick exit.

Can anyone offer any recent intel on general tourist safety in Sosua?

Thank you

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1528358]Things never work out how you expect.

I went out a couple of nights ago with my favorite, and she was looking sensational, I must say. So we got another very pretty girl who goes to the same gym at the casino as hired help for a threesome and went to a cabana and took photos and I fucked my favorita with the #2 girl in a somewhat assistive role, observing us and lending a helpful hand at the right moment.

As we went to the car the second girl told my fave that she really liked her and would like to eat her pussy, which my girl didn't want to go for as she is not a lesbo and does not like the idea of sex with a woman, which is her right. Since then girl #2 seems to be infatuated and has been bombarding her (#1) with phone calls and text messages saying she loves her and wants to meet again.

Only in Sosua![/QUOTE]I read this post three times word for word to fully understand, and I still don't get it. You took a guest for a threesome to the cabana and she watched you fuck your girl? The second girl later wanted to eat your girl but your girl isn't a lesbian? I'm scared to ask where the second girl put her whole hand.

Let me interject here Sir if you don't mind. It seems to me that your girl maybe is a total freak but doesn't want to risk losing you just in case this was a test. I don't understand why your girl went to the cabana in the first place other than you and the second girl wanted to. She wanted to do everything but maybe you didn't give her a comfort zone to relax and let her feelings go. Next time tell her to lay back naked on the bed with her eyes closed. You and the second girl remove her shoes and start kissing up her leg. Make sure she has four hands on her caressing her lower body. As you both get closer to her womb and you hear her moan and move her pussy up and down, slowly back yourself out, with a wink at the second girl. Take this time to put on a condom as the second girl eats her pussy while you bang her from behind.

Being that the second girl made a move on your girl while you were there tells me that maybe she lost respect for you because of something that happened in the room that made you less manly. Never, I repeat never, underestimate the power of a lesbian. She saw something in your girl that maybe you missed. Its just my opinion and I could be wrong, but I'm willing to bet that the second girl was eating that pussy as soon as you were away.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1528190]I think I have mixed feelings about whether or not it's a good idea to come during the holidays or major events. When it comes to the holidays, I think the key is to come before most chicas go back home after they made their holiday cash. Now when it comes to SB time, I do not think guys should dismiss this as a time to come. Here's why? Lots and lots of extra chicas show up during this time. You might not have your favorite chica available, but you just might meet some brand new (brand new to us) talent.

QUOTE]

I think I am going to leave major Holidays in the states and SB alone as travel time for the DR. I didn't have my normal experience (though I wasn't planning on going to Sosua) until I little after the holiday and it sounds like the same for you during SB. I know one can never have the same experience in the same place at a different time, but hearing your "on the ground observation" and taking in my own account. I passed. I have to look at things from a little more experience monger. A lot of see

Super Bowl weekend, the biggest monger holiday of the year just passed and nobody posted up any pics or video? For shame!

Personally I avoid high season, too many over spending guys flooding the town. Sure there are more girls but even in low season you're outnumbered so it doesn't really matter.

[quote=sammon; 1528251]i know of some cases where the guy went to extraordinary lengths to find out he is the father and started supporting both the mother and child. however once he started it the demand kept skyrocketing for this and that.

in spite of his best intentions he had no choice but to ignore. yes, morally it is wrong but cannot support mother and child for them to live like queens in a third world country.[/quote]well, he just has to make a decision on what percentage of his income to give and stick to it. that is what would happen if the exact amount were court ordered. men in the us may have problems, however, claiming the tax deduction for that child if the child is outside the us unless he arranges for the child to be registered as a us birth, for which purpose he would need to be married to the mother before the birth.

people's definition of living like queens will vary. most people would probably think that access to adequate nutrition, disposable [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131][CodeWord131][/url], medical care, clothing, and education would be the minimum desirable standards for a child. now whether the child has access to toys, books, cable tv, wi-fi, a swimming pool, swimming lessons, ballet classes, or indeed round the clock and round the calendar air conditioning is entirely discretionary.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender; 1528554]Super Bowl weekend, the biggest monger holiday of the year just passed and nobody posted up any pics or video? For shame!

Personally I avoid high season, too many over spending guys flooding the town. Sure there are more girls but even in low season you're outnumbered so it doesn't really matter.[/QUOTE]No, but I can tell you that even with the changes involving the closure of the two brothels and many massage places, the town is very busy and it is almost impossible to find a parking place in the center in the morning. The restaurants are busy, the clubs and bars are busy at night, and the streets are full of people including many girls in revealing clothing who will have sex with you for a fee. Bottom line: If you are a single man and want to come down to Sosua right now for a sex vacation, you will find plenty of good food, good sex, and a convivial atmosphere.

[quote=frannie; 1528556]well, he just has to make a decision on what percentage of his income to give and stick to it. that is what would happen if the exact amount were court ordered. men in the us may have problems, however, claiming the tax deduction for that child if the child is outside the us unless he arranges for the child to be registered as a us birth, for which purpose he would need to be married to the mother before the birth.

people's definition of living like queens will vary. most people would probably think that access to adequate nutrition, disposable [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131][CodeWord131][/url], medical care, clothing, and education would be the minimum desirable standards for a child. now whether the child has access to toys, books, cable tv, wi-fi, a swimming pool, swimming lessons, ballet classes, or indeed round the clock and round the calendar air conditioning is entirely discretionary.[/quote]you do not have to be married to the mother of the child in order to register a child born in a foreign country as a us citizen, only that one of the parents is a us citizen. once you do this however you are automatically assuming responsibility for the child.

[QUOTE=Zonamonger; 1528416]Hey gents,

My buddy and I have plane reservations for Sosua on March 1. As much as we like the Chica prices, we are a bit concerned about safety in Sosua after reading multiple reports of blackmail, extortion and murder of foreigners. We had booked the Casa Valeria but cancelled that to find more info. We have lots of experience with the scams, petty police corruption, and street ratero scams in Tijuana but are noobs in Sosua. If things go bad in Tijuana we can get to the border quickly. Sosua is not such a quick exit.

Can anyone offer any recent intel on general tourist safety in Sosua?

Thank you[/QUOTE]I will be there during this time if I can help you in anyway just holla.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo; 1528440]I read this post three times word for word to fully understand, and I still don't get it. You took a guest for a threesome to the cabana and she watched you fuck your girl? The second girl later wanted to eat your girl but your girl isn't a lesbian? I'm scared to ask where the second girl put her whole hand.

Let me interject here Sir if you don't mind. It seems to me that your girl maybe is a total freak but doesn't want to risk losing you just in case this was a test. I don't understand why your girl went to the cabana in the first place other than you and the second girl wanted to. She wanted to do everything but maybe you didn't give her a comfort zone to relax and let her feelings go. Next time tell her to lay back naked on the bed with her eyes closed. You and the second girl remove her shoes and start kissing up her leg. Make sure she has four hands on her caressing her lower body. As you both get closer to her womb and you hear her moan and move her pussy up and down, slowly back yourself out, with a wink at the second girl. Take this time to put on a condom as the second girl eats her pussy while you bang her from behind.

Being that the second girl made a move on your girl while you were there tells me that maybe she lost respect for you because of something that happened in the room that made you less manly. Never, I repeat never, underestimate the power of a lesbian. She saw something in your girl that maybe you missed. Its just my opinion and I could be wrong, but I'm willing to bet that the second girl was eating that pussy as soon as you were away.[/QUOTE]You should have charged him for giving that much info. (How to break in a lesbian 101 chapter 3 "the first encounter") LOL The whole scenario sounds shady.

[QUOTE=Houston Player;1528659]You do not have to be married to the mother of the child in order to register a child born in a foreign country as a US citizen, only that one of the parents is a US citizen. Once you do this however you are automatically assuming responsibility for the child.[/QUOTE]You are 100% correct. My daughter is a U.S. and Colombian citizen and has two passports, I am not married to her mother. The mother does have to sign off on it, you can't do it without the mother's permission.

[QUOTE=Zonamonger; 1528416]Hey gents,

My buddy and I have plane reservations for Sosua on March 1. As much as we like the Chica prices, we are a bit concerned about safety in Sosua after reading multiple reports of blackmail, extortion and murder of foreigners. We had booked the Casa Valeria but cancelled that to find more info. We have lots of experience with the scams, petty police corrupn, and street ratero scams in Tijuana but are noobs in Sosua. If things go bad in Tijuana we can get to the border quickly. Sosua is not such a quick exit.

Can anyone offer any recent intel on general tourist safety in Sosua?

Thank you[/QUOTE]I don't have any recent tourist information on tourist safety but have some observations for you to consider. First off book your flights and hotel. I was here back in December for two weeks and am currently here now. When I am not here I'm in Tijuana every weekend. I feel 10 times safer here than in Tijuana. You don't have cops patrolling the streets in cars, trucks, and on foot shaking you down, etc. You don't have people openly selling drugs on the street. It's legal to drink on the streets. Most of the hotels require that when you bring a chica to the room they leave their ID at reception. If your a Tijuana veteran you will not have a problem here!

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo; 1528440]I read this post three times word for word to fully understand, and I still don't get it. You took a guest for a threesome to the cabana and she watched you fuck your girl? The second girl later wanted to eat your girl but your girl isn't a lesbian? I'm scared to ask where the second girl put her whole hand.

Let me interject here Sir if you don't mind. It seems to me that your girl maybe is a total freak but doesn't want to risk losing you just in case this was a test. I don't understand why your girl went to the cabana in the first place other than you and the second girl wanted to. She wanted to do everything but maybe you didn't give her a comfort zone to relax and let her feelings go. Next time tell her to lay back naked on the bed with her eyes closed. You and the second girl remove her shoes and start kissing up her leg. Make sure she has four hands on her caressing her lower body. As you both get closer to her womb and you hear her moan and move her pussy up and down, slowly back yourself out, with a wink at the second girl. Take this time to put on a condom as the second girl eats her pussy while you bang her from behind.

Being that the second girl made a move on your girl while you were there tells me that maybe she lost respect for you because of something that happened in the room that made you less manly. Never, I repeat never, underestimate the power of a lesbian. She saw something in your girl that maybe you missed. Its just my opinion and I could be wrong, but I'm willing to bet that the second girl was eating that pussy as soon as you were away.[/QUOTE]You may have read my post three times, but I think you missed a lot of nuances.

My advice to newbies would always be to negotiate up front at the time that the reimbursement is decided exactly what services are to be provided. In this case that was done and exactly what was negotiated was carried out. You should bear in mind that in the DR a Happy Hour by no means automatically includes lesbian action of any kind unless specifically negotiated.

It was the events after the event was over that were of interest, in particular the cell phone calls and messages that were not bargained for.

While you may have had success with the strategy you described above (though I don't recall you posting about it here) I would warn that for most people attempting to go outside what was pre-negotiated can be an area that leads to later conflict. If anything, I admired girl #2 for her discretion in leaving it until later to try to hook up with girl #1 when off the clock, so to speak. In any case I was amused and would have had no objection.

Fran knows way more about this subject then most of us. We all have our ares of kink this is Fran. S. I hooked him up with chic who was bi and willing give a show. Happy hours ae nornally great for the girls. Same money half the work. What a deal. Most rookies are so anxious they fall for it hookline and sinker.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1528717]You may have read my post three times, but I think you missed a lot of nuances.

My advice to newbies would always be to negotiate up front at the time that the reimbursement is decided exactly what services are to be provided. In this case that was done and exactly what was negotiated was carried out. You should bear in mind that in the DR a Happy Hour by no means automatically includes lesbian action of any kind unless specifically negotiated.

Hello gentlemen,

This is going to be my third trip to Dominican rep both times I have gone SD route but thinking of going Sosua this time!

I'm thinking off flying into SD and spending 4 days there and heading sosua for a week. Would a week be enough?

Also I've only been to casas never had a novia because I can't speak Spanish, is it easy to pick up girls at the beach without Spanish?

Thanks for any help.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1528767]Fran knows way more about this subject then most of us. We all have our ares of kink this is Fran. S. I hooked him up with chic who was bi and willing give a show. Happy hours ae nornally great for the girls. Same money half the work. What a deal. Most rookies are so anxious they fall for it hookline and sinker.[/QUOTE]Yes, you did. In that particular case the deal was that she would bring a girl who had never had a lesbian experience and would induct her. That went very well and a good time was had by all concerned.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1528549]I think I am going to leave major Holidays in the states and SB alone as travel time for the DR. I didn't have my normal experience (though I wasn't planning on going to Sosua) until I little after the holiday and it sounds like the same for you during SB. I know one can never have the same experience in the same place at a different time, but hearing your "on the ground observation" and taking in my own account. I passed. I have to look at things from a little more experience monger. A lot of see[/QUOTE]I went into Rumba last night, Thursday night and it was jammed packed with chicas. Many new faces in the bunch. It's almost as if many chicas had the same idea as those mongers who stayed away during the SBW. Many of these girls are bringing their friends and introducing them to Sosua.

BTW, the chica I met in December that sent me whatsapp messages asking me to bring a galaxy phone, she finally got back to Sosua. Her usual spot City Lights the rooms were all taken by other chicas. There are a ton of chicas in town. And the numbers appear to be in our favor. What didn't surprise me, is when I picked her up to take her to my spot, she had her brand new galaxy S3. Some other dude apparently bought her the phone. Had it for 4 days. Probably was spending time with him in SD, and thats why she wasnt in Sosua sooner. Things like this further reinforces the fact that many of these chicas are communicating with several dudes at one time, and asking all of them for the same shit. Imagine how many galaxy phones these chicas have the ability to collect from a bunch of dudes? Thats why I don't see the point of buying a chica a phone thinking the gift is supposed to enhance some GFE thing between us. I ignored her requests for the phone on whatsapp. And yet last night she put on a performance that was quite satisfying. Afterwards, I dropped her off to Rumbas so she could continue "working". She got out the car and got lost in the crowd.

That GFE is long gone for many of these chicas.

Seems like Sosua was flooded with chicas yesterday! Between 6 and 7 PM last night there were herds of them in front of Rumbas and this afternoon lots swarming around town and at the beach. Several Chicas I encountered yesterday and today during the day refused to accept 1,000 Pesos for short time and none of them were lookers. Two months ago I had no problem getting Chicas for 1,000 Pesos during the day. Is this because it's "high season" and the Chicas know this?

I.

Week is to long you will have the best time of your life. No Spanish need ed but it helps the women come to you. In droves you will feel like. Rock star. You will meet guys doing exactly what you're doing. Awesome atmosphere, in a week you'll sex your self out. Sperm onthe empty.

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[QUOTE=LuckyLad; 1528873]Hello gentlemen,

This is going to be my third trip to Dominican rep both times I have gone SD route but thinking of going Sosua this time!

I'm thinking off flying into SD and spending 4 days there and heading sosua for a week. Would a week be enough?

Also I've only been to casas never had a novia because I can't speak Spanish, is it easy to pick up girls at the beach without Spanish?

Thanks for any help.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LuckyLad; 1528873]Hello gentlemen,

This is going to be my third trip to Dominican rep both times I have gone SD route but thinking of going Sosua this time!

I'm thinking off flying into SD and spending 4 days there and heading sosua for a week. Would a week be enough?

Also I've only been to casas never had a novia because I can't speak Spanish, is it easy to pick up girls at the beach without Spanish?

Thanks for any help.[/QUOTE]I would do this in reverse: 4 days in Sosua, then SD for a week.

Trust me, you will be ready to leave Sosua after 4 days. Only because you will get tired of seeing the same crop of girls, beggars, change guys, etc., day in and day out.

Spend some time on Dominican Cupid. Find some chicas you would like to meet in SD. Go to Sosua and bang as many chicas as you can handle, then head to SD and spend some time with low mileage or "non pro" chicas. At this point it won't be such a big deal if you do not bang these SD chicas first time around because (if you do it right) you'll be begging for a much needed break from sex, LOL.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1529069]That GFE is long gone for many of these chicas.[/QUOTE]Agreed. This is my third winter vacation and I am disappointed in quality of chicas and the overall atmosphere of Sosua.

I don't think it was like this before. Girls are money hungry and without any concept that they should provide something of a value service in return. Spread the smelly pussy and take the money, that is it. I had to first have discussion with them to take the shower, then return them to have real wash of their pussy. Grab the money as soon as possible and go. If something can be snatched along the way even better, sun glasses, anything.

I don't think I will be coming back next year. Sosua is cheap but I don't think is worth it anymore. Also to mention, Passion is closed. That was the best source of good looking chicas in Sosua. It was great place but now it is gone.

I am in search of new winter destination with beaches, nice weather, that is reasonably safe and decent p4p quality. Do you guys have any recommendations, Panama, Colombia, Costarica, Brazil, Aruba?

[QUOTE=Hedonian;1529142]I don't think it was like this before. Girls are money hungry and without any concept that they should provide something of a value service in return. Spread the smelly pussy and take the money, that is it. I had to first have discussion with them to take the shower, then return them to have real wash of their pussy. Grab the money as soon as possible and go. If something can be snatched along the way even better, sun glasses, anything.[/QUOTE]You need to learn how to keep those broads in line. Don't let them run you. You have to know how to run them:

[url]http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhTX2T8Y3B204xeA3N[/url]

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1529159]You need to learn how to keep those broads in line. Don't let them run you. You have to know how to run them:

[url]http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhTX2T8Y3B204xeA3N[/url][/QUOTE]Pissing on a broad, keeping her at bay from ripping your balls off, and holding a camera and recording it. That's a lot of work. I wouldn't be surprised if he pissed on himself in the process, lol.

[QUOTE=Hedonian; 1529142]Agreed. This is my third winter vacation and I am disappointed in quality of chicas and the overall atmosphere of Sosua.

I don't think it was like this before. Girls are money hungry and without any concept that they should provide something of a value service in return. Spread the smelly pussy and take the money, that is it. I had to first have discussion with them to take the shower, then return them to have real wash of their pussy. Grab the money as soon as possible and go. If something can be snatched along the way even better, sun glasses, anything.

I don't think I will be coming back next year. Sosua is cheap but I don't think is worth it anymore. Also to mention, Passion is closed. That was the best source of good looking chicas in Sosua. It was great place but now it is gone.

I am in search of new winter destination with beaches, nice weather, that is reasonably safe and decent p4p quality. Do you guys have any recommendations, Panama, Colombia, Costarica, Brazil, Aruba?[/QUOTE]Some other options you might consider include Jaco in Costa Rica and Cartagena in Colombia, but those venues are very different than Sosua and aren't nearly as good and will be more expensive as well. I've been to both of these places and Sosua has them beat hands down.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1529141]I would do this in reverse: 4 days in Sosua, then SD for a week.

Trust me, you will be ready to leave Sosua after 4 days. Only because you will get tired of seeing the same crop of girls, beggars, change guys, etc, day in and day out.

Spend some time on Dominican Cupid. Find some chicas you would like to meet in SD. Go to Sosua and bang as many chicas as you can handle, then head to SD and spend some time with low mileage or "non pro" chicas. At this point it won't be such a big deal if you do not bang these SD chicas first time around because (if you do it right) you'll be begging for a much needed break from sex, LOL.[/QUOTE]In my experience with Dominican Cupid I have found it difficult at times being semi-fluent in Spanish and wouldn't advise anyone who doesn't speak any Spanish to try it as their choices will be limited to girls that speak English on the Site which is probably less than 5 percent.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1529159]You need to learn how to keep those broads in line. Don't let them run you.[/QUOTE]The problem is not in running them but dealing with that crap and not getting GFE. In the past most of the time I was happy with chicas. This time around it was like dealing with a new breed of chicas. I am not sure if it was just my string of bad luck on this trip or Sosua has changed for the worse.

[QUOTE=Hedonian;1529195]The problem is not in running them but dealing with that crap and not getting GFE. In the past most of the time I was happy with chicas. This time around it was like dealing with a new breed of chicas. I am not sure if it was just my string of bad luck on this trip or Sosua has changed for the worse.[/QUOTE]It's probably a combination of both.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1529190]In my experience with Dominican Cupid I have found it difficult at times being semi-fluent in Spanish and wouldn't advise anyone who doesn't speak any Spanish to try it as their choices will be limited to girls that speak English on the Site which is probably less than 5 percent.[/QUOTE]You are right. I probably should have added the "should speak and understand an 'above average' amount of Español" disclaimer.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1529089]Seems like Sosua was flooded with chicas yesterday! Between 6 and 7 PM last night there were herds of them in front of Rumbas and this afternoon lots swarming around town and at the beach. Several Chicas I encountered yesterday and today during the day refused to accept 1,000 Pesos for short time and none of them were lookers. Two months ago I had no problem getting Chicas for 1,000 Pesos during the day. Is this because it's "high season" and the Chicas know this?[/QUOTE]The general going rate for ST in Sosua is 1500 and has been for quite some time, yes you can get girls sometimes for 1000 but really, the difference between 1000 and 1500 is 11 freeking dollars. The exchange rate yesterday topped 43-1 for the first time in years, come on now.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1529367]The general going rate for ST in Sosua is 1500 and has been for quite some time, yes you can get girls sometimes for 1000 but really, the difference between 1000 and 1500 is 11 freeking dollars. The exchange rate yesterday topped 43-1 for the first time in years, come on now.[/QUOTE]LOL I'm pretty sure and hope it's not the $11, but the idea paying extra for a non looker, two months later when the killers actually accepted it. We Momger's are forever cursed with the changing of times.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1529089]Seems like Sosua was flooded with chicas yesterday! Between 6 and 7 PM last night there were herds of them in front of Rumbas and this afternoon lots swarming around town and at the beach. Several Chicas I encountered yesterday and today during the day refused to accept 1,000 Pesos for short time and none of them were lookers. Two months ago I had no problem getting Chicas for 1,000 Pesos during the day. Is this because it's "high season" and the Chicas know this?[/QUOTE]Honestly, it's probably just the luck of the draw. It's something you can expect to run into in a place like Sosua. Chicas come there with no rhyme or reason other than to make money and split. One weekend you could have a handful of stunners; the next weekend a handful of duds.

A group of stunners could hit Sosua with the goal of making X amount of money for tuition, a Samsung Galaxy, and some nice clothes for the semester. Once they achieve that goal, they may not return to Sosua until May.

Think of all the other scenarios:

-Sick family member.

-No food.

-Want to supplement the income she makes from her regular job.

-Was asked to tag along with her amiga / prima / tia. Decides "shit, while I'm here, why not (make some money)?" May not ever return to the P4P scene after that.

[QUOTE=Hedonian;1529195]The problem is not in running them but dealing with that crap and not getting GFE. In the past most of the time I was happy with chicas. This time around it was like dealing with a new breed of chicas. I am not sure if it was just my string of bad luck on this trip or Sosua has changed for the worse.[/QUOTE]Could you share some examples of some of the things you observed or experienced?

A friend a mine. 2nd time to Sosua in 2 years had to learn a lesson the hard way. A young, very fair skinned chica he met on the playa, stole some toothpaste the 2nd time he invited her to his spot for a ST romp.

He invited her a 3rd time for another ST romp, and this time she stole his $90 us bottle of cologne. It was in the bathroom. It made me shake my head. After the one theft why would he leave anything out for her to see? His answer was he thought she would only steal something that was personally valuable to her. He never thought about her taking it for herself, selling it or gifting it to someone else. That experience was his reinforcement for next time.

The chica is very short. Like 5'. Black hair. Goes by Mercedes

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1529468]He invited her a 3rd time for another ST romp, and this time she stole his $90 us bottle of cologne. It was in the bathroom. It made me shake my head. After the one theft why would he leave anything out for her to see? His answer was he thought she would only steal something that was personally valuable to her. He never thought about her taking it for herself, selling it or gifting it to someone else. That experience was his reinforcement for next time.[/QUOTE]I bet his perspective would change if he found out that she stole his $90 bottle of cologne to give to her Dominican boyfriend.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1529468]He invited her a 3rd time for another ST romp, and this time she stole his $90 us bottle of cologne. It was in the bathroom. It made me shake my head. After the one theft why would he leave anything out for her to see? His answer was he thought she would only steal something that was personally valuable to her. He never thought about her taking it for herself, selling it or gifting it to someone else. That experience was his reinforcement for next time.

The chica is very short. Like 5'. Black hair. Goes by Mercedes[/QUOTE]Why would he repeat with a girl that stole something from him in the first place?

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1529468]Goes by Mercedes[/QUOTE]She should be easy enough to identify. Most of them can only afford to go by motoconcho.

[QUOTE=Hedonian;1529195]The problem is not in running them but dealing with that crap and not getting GFE. In the past most of the time I was happy with chicas. This time around it was like dealing with a new breed of chicas. I am not sure if it was just my string of bad luck on this trip or Sosua has changed for the worse.[/QUOTE]Yeah I noticed that on my last trip around October. A lot of pretty girls with crazy bodies and shitty attitudes.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter;1529523]She should be easy enough to identify. Most of them can only afford to go by motoconcho.[/QUOTE]LOL. CP you are a trip!

Hat tip to TweedleD for this video link. I have never watched a Cuba Dave video until tonight. It's pretty good and should be required watching for newbies and vets alike:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXP5yu0552E[/url]

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1529598]Hat tip to TweedleD for this video link. I have never watched a Cuba Dave video until tonight. It's pretty good and should be required watching for newbies and vets alike:[/QUOTE]Watched for about two minutes. The premise is all wrong: if someone thinks that he is going to elevate a woman to a life of virtue and hence decides to send money, the person is either a die hard romantic or an idiot. If you realize you cannot save anyone or have rosy future expectations (least of all, of exclusivity), you are fine. Indeed in that case, you decide whether to, who to, when to, how many to and so forth. I have a feeling that people dread solitude so much that at a certain age, they get desperate and try to save. Ah well!

My eyes are not deceiving me. 1st thing in the morning fresh chicas are still in full effect walking around. I guess you have morning shift, afternoon shift, early evening shift, late night shift and late late night shifts. And I'm sure enough of these chicas work all of these shifts. One of my buddies was checking out and flying today, so a group of us took him to NG for breakfast. This is the friend that had his expensive bottle of cologne stolen from a chica he had 3 times this trip. He went over the details again at the table, telling us how he told her he was leaving the next day. And how she put on a Golden Globe performance acting like she was sad to see him go. I take that back, maybe she wasnt acting? After seeing how sloppy my buddy was, and him announcing his departure the next day, he probably did make her a little sad to see him go. He was an untapped resource for her. So much more shit she could pull on my buddy. He is an older dude.

Nevertheless, we told him he shouldn't have told her when he was leaving, and of course not securing his stuff. Meanwhile, my Galaxy phone chica was having breakfast in NG with her date from last night. I saw her uncomfortably cutting her eyes towards my direction to see if I spotted her. I certainly saw her, so I blew her a kiss as if to say, it's all good, you take care of your company. The reason why I'm mentioning this, is because prior to me coming back to the DR, this chica was sending me a shitload of syrupy shit on Whatsapp. Acting like I was supposed to be her new boyfriend/lover. I miss you, te amo, please buy me a Galaxy for my BD when you coming back, sexy pics, kisses, you name it she sent it on whatsapp.

So here we are not 48 hrs with her finally back in Sosua, and one session with me under her belt, and now my sexy chica is having breakfast with another guy. So for her to see me at breakfast with my friends while she is with her date, the chica must have felt a little uncomfortable. Mainly because it has not sunk in with her yet, that I am a secure monger and don't give a shit what the fuck she does on somebody elses time. Many of these chicas thrive on the hopes that the dudes they are charming are falling for the ton of shit they lay on them.

But when they get busted in their own deceptive game, they don't know how the target is going to take it. But I did school her on Whatsapp 2 weeks ago, that I am cool about her going to work, and that she doesn't have to play those persuasive games with me. About 20 minutes later while sitting at Rockys, she was passing by, came up to me to seek comfort that I was not mad at her or thought ill of her seeing her with her date. My embrace assured her that we were cool. She walked off merrily, probably looking for some morning work. She called later that night, but I wanted other juice.

Today was my date with the La Vega chica I met in Santiago at the restaurant. We agreed to meet at 2 at the same place. Chica was a little afraid of our meeting, because she didn't leave La Vega until she was sure I was really coming. Apparently she thought I might stand her up. I got there 1:45, and she got there about 2:40. Chica was smoking. Red hair, tight jean shorts cut off at the knee, and clear high heels. We had an appetizer since neither of us was hungry, and drinks.

My spanish was being put to the test. Now I'm in a non p4p situation and have to really communicate like a regular couple. Thanks to my limited spanish abilities (speaking and comprehension) and my Ipad translator app, we got through our time at the restaurant. Afterwards we went across the street and went up all the way up to the monument. Stopping to take pictures along the way, a little affectionate embracing. Chica initiated taking kissing fotos. When it was time to walk all the way back down, we were holding hands like were already a couple. Although I think I was doing it more because I didn't want her to fall with those high heels she had on. Chica is 32 with a 13yr old. Later I had to pick up a few things at the supermercado, and so did she. When it was time for her to head back to La Vega, she couldn't tell me where she needed to catch the public bus, so after driving in circles, I decided to just drive her to La Vega. Dropped her off at a taxi stand in La Vega, a quick kiss and a thank you, and I was on my way back to Sosua. Chica says she can cook. Would like to go to the beach. So maybe we have something we can build on. She was a pleasure to meet. No bad vibes or awkward moments between us.

So once again, the La Vega chica & I to be continued.

Got back to Sosua around 9pm, and during my ride one of my regulars still in town was blowing up my phone. Since we had not been together in about a week or so, her juice would have been a nice treat to top off the night. I stopped at Rockys got the garlic chicken. Ate half and took the rest home. This chica came over in a red dress as if she was going to the prom on Valentines day. It was very sexy, but a bit much for what we were about to do. Said she was hungry, opened my fridge, and found my leftovers. She devoured the food, like it was her last meal.

She was supposed to be going to D'Latins I suppose, to sport her dress, but I guess after our leche filled session she must have changed her mind and decided to sleep instead? Still got 2 weeks to go. I'm still baffled by some guys saying only a few days in Sosua is enough, or a week is too much. I think having a place that feels like home, and living with other expats in a community is partly responsible for my tolerance for Sosua. Plus I like the beach, and getting in the car to explore. I think anyone could get bored if the most they do is p4p (along with dealing with the hustlers etc) and not doing anything else that is fulfilling except for dropping leche loads. And perhaps they don't really enjoy being in their hotels?

Next week, I am going to look for a bicycle for exercise and for easy local transportation.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1529598]Hat tip to TweedleD for this video link. I have never watched a Cuba Dave video until tonight. It's pretty good and should be required watching for newbies and vets alike:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXP5yu0552E[/url][/QUOTE]I downloaded that video when it 1st came out a while back. I also downloaded one of his other videos that he did before the Sending Her Money Video. It is entitled RFM (Request For Money ). One thing though, I'll bet he has a ton of personal examples of sending chicas money or has sent chicas money on request. He doesn't elaborate too much of his own mistakes, he tells you about what happened to other guys. When it comes to himself, not much detail. I like the analogies he uses to make his point.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1529516]Why would he repeat with a girl that stole something from him in the first place?[/QUOTE]He has several things working against him for why he repeated with her. The toothpaste was a small tube, so he wrote it off as she probably needed it. That sympathy perspective gets a lot of us in trouble underestimating people. Two, he is a much older cat, new to mongering in Sosua, who just doesn't know what to expect or fully how to conduct himself here in the jungle. Three, he was just being stupid for leaving shit out. Many dudes are sporting thieves for company but don't know it. Meaning, many dudes including vets repeat with thieves, but may not be aware they are thieves. Here's a question. Why do guys repeat with thieves or potential thieves even if they never stole from them?

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1529771]He has several things working against him for why he repeated with her. The toothpaste was a small tube, so he wrote it off as she probably needed it. That sympathy perspective gets a lot of us in trouble underestimating people. Two, he is a much older cat, new to mongering in Sosua, who just doesn't know what to expect or fully how to conduct himself here in the jungle. Three, he was just being stupid for leaving shit out. Many dudes are sporting thieves for company but don't know it. Meaning, many dudes including vets repeat with thieves, but may not be aware they are thieves. Here's a question. Why do guys repeat with thieves or potential thieves even if they never stole from them?[/QUOTE]I have repeated with someone I know is a thief on my home turf in Tijuana but with extreme caution (button down the hatches with your belongings). The reason I repeated is because the sex was off the charts with them.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1529771]Here's a question. Why do guys repeat with thieves or potential thieves even if they never stole from them?[/QUOTE]My answer to the first part of the question is that they are idiots, nobody I know would do that. And they're ALL potential thieves in a third world country.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1529771]Why do guys repeat with thieves or potential thieves even if they never stole from them?[/QUOTE]Because guys don't think with their "big" head. If you tell your buddy that this smoking hot chica just stole $100 from your safe a few days ago (because you forgot to lock it while in the shower) , your buddy may be thinking one of two things:

-"Well, she didn't steal from ME"

-"He's just trying to keep her for himself"

Lmao!

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1529762]Today was my date with the La Vega chica I met in Santiago at the restaurant. We agreed to meet at 2 at the same place. Chica was a little afraid of our meeting, because she didn't leave La Vega until she was sure I was really coming. Apparently she thought I might stand her up. I got there 1:45, and she got there about 2:40. Chica was smoking. Red hair, tight jean shorts cut off at the knee, and clear high heels. We had an appetizer since neither of us was hungry, and drinks.

My spanish was being put to the test. Now I'm in a non p4p situation and have to really communicate like a regular couple. Thanks to my limited spanish abilities (speaking and comprehension) and my Ipad translator app, we got through our time at the restaurant. Afterwards we went across the street and went up all the way up to the monument. Stopping to take pictures along the way, a little affectionate embracing. Chica initiated taking kissing fotos. When it was time to walk all the way back down, we were holding hands like were already a couple. Although I think I was doing it more because I didn't want her to fall with those high heels she had on. Chica is 32 with a 13yr old. Later I had to pick up a few things at the supermercado, and so did she. When it was time for her to head back to La Vega, she couldn't tell me where she needed to catch the public bus, so after driving in circles, I decided to just drive her to La Vega. Dropped her off at a taxi stand in La Vega, a quick kiss and a thank you, and I was on my way back to Sosua. Chica says she can cook. Would like to go to the beach. So maybe we have something we can build on. She was a pleasure to meet. No bad vibes or awkward moments between us.

So once again, the La Vega chica & I to be continued.

Got back to Sosua around 9pm[/QUOTE]Good report bro. Although I'm surprised you had the balls to be driving at night! I've rode in a cab from Blackbeard's to Sousa once and that road seemed very treacherous.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1529762]I'm still baffled by some guys saying only a few days in Sosua is enough, or a week is too much. I think having a place that feels like home, and living with other expats in a community is partly responsible for my tolerance for Sosua. Plus I like the beach, and getting in the car to explore. I think anyone could get bored if the most they do is p4p (along with dealing with the hustlers etc) and not doing anything else that is fulfilling except for dropping leche loads. [b]And perhaps they don't really enjoy being in their hotels?[/b]
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I think that is key. You have an apartment, so that is a game changer. More privacy, a couch to sit on (and not a wooden stool like at Terra Linda), a stove, etc. I could not bee cooped up in a hotel room for a week in Sosua. The area surrounding the strip is so small that everyone (the hustlers, change guys, and of course the chicas) know your business. They know what day you arrived, which chica(s) you have banged, where you go to eat, etc. Plus, if you are staying at a place like New Garden, you've got all the guys hanging around outside their rooms hawking every chica that you bring through there.

The long short of it is that you've got an apartment, rental car, and established outside (of Sosua) connections. I would not be bored with those options. But I would be with seeing the same group of chicas day in and day out, dealing with the same hustlers day in and day out, eating the same restaurant or hotel food, and being confined to one block (the strip).

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1529762]Later I had to pick up a few things at the supermercado, and so did she. When it was time for her to head back to La Vega, she couldn't tell me where she needed to catch the public bus, so after driving in circles, I decided to just drive her to La Vega.[/QUOTE]Driving her to La Vega was a nice gesture. Next time, should you need, ask for "La parada de Treinta de Marzo". The bus stop at 30 de Marzo, which is about a 5-minute drive from el monumento towards the west. You can google the map obviously. There are two buses for La Vega that have their terminus there. La Uchomvesa and Expres Vegano, other than many other guaguas from other towns as well.

This trip I have been with two Haitiain's and have been disappointed compared to my experiences with them back in December. I picked up both at Central Bar in the evening. With the first one I agreed to 1,500 Pesos as she wouldn't go for any less and was actually lighter skinned than her Haitian sisters. She almost looked Polynesian and had a cute little body. Upon arriving to the room she wouldn't take a shower and said she had just taken one. She was a good performer and I was satisfied but shocked when I saw what she did in the bathroom. While I was taking a shower she sat on the toilet and cleaned her snatch with soap and a paper cup using water from the toilet. Yikes, and then upon dressing she begged me for 2,000 Pesos which I refused to.

The second one I went with gave a hell of a sales pitch about how slow and good it would be with her, etc. And was very warm and friendly on the street. She also had a nice body as most of the Haitians do so I took her to the room for the agreed upon amount of 1, 250 Pesos. Money wasn't the problem with this one. Upon entering the room she became somewhat cold, took off her clothes, and proceeded to clean her snatch just like the previous one on the toilet. Then she pointed to me to clean my junk in the bathroom sink. Yikes, what's with these Haitians. I told this one she needed to change her attitude, sit on the bed and relax a little bit, and that I had no problem cleaning myself but in the shower. So she sat on the bed and understood I was mad and put on a smile. I came out and she actually gave a good strong blow job but when it came to the sex she had rules, was mechanical, and wouldn't get on top. I couldn't get off so she agreed to finish me orally but said I couldn't finish in her mouth which was okay. Upon taking a shower she again sat on the toilet to clean herself. I didn't comment on her hygiene methods but did scold her for being sweet on the street and cold in the room. I also told her that a lot of her sisters at Bar Central perform and please and get repeat business which she won't be getting from me.

Going with these Haitians is new territory for me, I had a few on my last trip that where warm, friendly, affectionate, and nasty which I like. Perhaps these Haitians are becoming more in demand and can get by being bad performers, asking for more money, etc. Just like the Dominicans or perhaps I just wasn't lucky with the ones I chose. As far as these girls hygiene, I don't know what to think.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1529796]My answer to the first part of the question is that they are idiots, nobody I know would do that. And they're ALL potential thieves in a third world country.[/QUOTE]"All potential thieves"? I did not know it was geography specific. I was just speaking with my niece whose galaxy was stolen (or lost and never found. To use an euphemism) at her public school in the South East where she is a sophomore. My son is a freshman in a private school where they give ipads to use for school work and you see such things strewn across school.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1529577]LOL. CP you are a trip![/QUOTE]Totally; I too cracked up!

I don't remember seeing so many Chica's with big butts here! And to top that off, they seem to be doing a brisk business. I am amazed at how many guys are going with these girls. One skinny guy I saw who was about six foot tall went with a girl that's ass had to of been at least three feet wide. In Colombia a lot of the Chicas have boob jobs but here I guess a lot of the Chica's pig out as there obviously is a market for big booty's.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1529762]Chica is 32 with a 13yr old. Later I had to pick up a few things at the supermercado, and so did she. When it was time for her to head back to La Vega, she couldn't tell me where she needed to catch the public bus, so after driving in circles, I decided to just drive her to La Vega. Dropped her off at a taxi stand in La Vega, a quick kiss and a thank you, and I was on my way back to Sosua. Chica says she can cook. Would like to go to the beach. So maybe we have something we can build on. She was a pleasure to meet. No bad vibes or awkward moments between us.[/QUOTE]Pah, and you fell for all this? Chica is 32, so already past sell date and desperate with menopause approaching, if she is actually telling you her real age. So does she have a real job and a real source of revenue to live independently and support her child?

Clearly she expected you to take her to a cabana, of which there are numerous in Santiago, for example on the carretera on the way to the airport (and LaVega) for 300 pesos and up, and you must have passed them on the way to LaVega. She started the kissy stuff because you were too slow and the clock was running.

Of course she knew how to get back to LaVega. You could have dropped her at the Caribe Tours bus station, or she could have asked anyone where the parada for publico taxis to LaVega is, if she really did not know, which I severely doubt.

Of course she can cook. They can all cook if that includes putting everything in an aluminum caldero, adding that red universal seasoning, and burning the hell out of it and using about 3x as much cooking gas as necessary.

I was talking to a chica the other day who wants to go to the US. I said the quality of life is much better in the DR, but she said even if you have a job a single parent cannot make enough to live on, so you need one or two novios to provide extra benefits (Galaxy phones, or long hair pieces, or medicines). The men get the friendship and the Dominican women get the benefits.

She is just trying to play the long game with you. Let us know what happens. (And how come your Spanish is suddenly so limited? You had no trouble with in depth discussions with chicas before.)

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1529809]While I was taking a shower she sat on the toilet and cleaned her snatch with soap and a paper cup using water from the toilet.

The second one I went with gave a hell of a sales pitch about how slow and good it would be with her, etc. And was very warm and friendly on the street. She also had a nice body as most of the Haitians do so I took her to the room for the agreed upon amount of 1, 250 Pesos. Upon taking a shower she again sat on the toilet to clean herself. [/QUOTE]How did yall come to 1250 pesos, LOL?

As for the toilet cleansing, that's pretty gross considering you may have just pissed and shitted in it earlier. Are these Sosua chicas in so much of a rush now that they forgo bathing (and even the chance to)?

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1529809]This trip I have been with two Haitiain's and have been disappointed compared to my experiences with them back in December. I picked up both at Central Bar in the evening. With the first one I agreed to 1,500 Pesos as she wouldn't go for any less and was actually lighter skinned than her Haitian sisters. She almost looked Polynesian and had a cute little body. Upon arriving to the room she wouldn't take a shower and said she had just taken one. She was a good performer and I was satisfied but shocked when I saw what she did in the bathroom. While I was taking a shower she sat on the toilet and cleaned her snatch with soap and a paper cup using water from the toilet.[/QUOTE]I think I know her. Did a threesome with her and she was a fantastic performer and muncher of pussy and very pleasant personality. Oh, yeah, baby! 20 years old. 1 child age 2, stays in Charamicos, but lived in Santiago for 3 years and has decent Spanish. If she is the one I am thinking of she has a VERY long hair weave of high class oriental natural hair (looks a bit Gauginesque) and would not want to get that hair wet in the shower. Surprised at her using water from the toilet. Ugh! Why not tap water? As I recall, she used Dasani water from a bottle!

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[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1529822]"All potential thieves"? I did not know it was geography specific. I was just speaking with my niece whose galaxy was stolen (or lost and never found. To use an euphemism) at her public school in the South East where she is a sophomore. My son is a freshman in a private school where they give ipads to use for school work and you see such things strewn across school.[/QUOTE]Someone stole my toothpaste from the staff bathroom at work (in Florida) and the only people who had access were state government employees with a particular set of keys

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1529627]Watched for about two minutes. The premise is all wrong: if someone thinks that he is going to elevate a woman to a life of virtue and hence decides to send money, the person is either a die hard romantic or an idiot. If you realize you cannot save anyone or have rosy future expectations (least of all, of exclusivity), you are fine. Indeed in that case, you decide whether to, who to, when to, how many to and so forth. I have a feeling that people dread solitude so much that at a certain age, they get desperate and try to save. Ah well![/QUOTE]I agree. I do not find Cuba Dave to be very credible at all. He says he has received hundreds of e-mails asking him if guys should send money to chicas to keep them off the street. Really? Hundreds of e-mails?

Then, although his Spanish is apparently very limited to non existent, he is able to quote in detail from conversations that must have taken place in Spanish.

It would be more credible if he could give a specific example of a woman he knows who is getting $2000 per month on Western Union and still tricking in D'Latino's (no need to mention names). I am sure it is entirely possible, but the examples he give typically lack detail and it is by no means clear that he has spoken to the people concerned.

I agree 100% that it would be stupid to offer to send money to a girl in the hope that it would keep her off the street and save her from prostitution if she was that way inclined.

On the other hand there might be specific reasons to send money to someone with whom one had an ongoing relationship. Men around Sosua vary from occasional weekend warriors to part-time residents, to full time residents, and at some point many guys get tired of tricking in bars and develop some kind of ongoing domestic or semi domestic relationship with someone they like.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1529479]I bet his perspective would change if he found out that she stole his $90 bottle of cologne to give to her Dominican boyfriend.[/QUOTE]No doubt, but I think this time he was just pissed about how much he paid for that cologne. The toothpaste wasnt important nor did it cost him much.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1529782]I have repeated with someone I know is a thief on my home turf in Tijuana but with extreme caution (button down the hatches with your belongings). The reason I repeated is because the sex was off the charts with them.[/QUOTE]And thats the most likely reason.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1529797]Because guys don't think with their "big" head. If you tell your buddy that this smoking hot chica just stole $100 from your safe a few days ago (because you forgot to lock it while in the shower) , your buddy may be thinking one of two things:

-"Well, she didn't steal from ME"

-"He's just trying to keep her for himself"

Lmao![/QUOTE]Sometimes when some guys get older they just arent as sharp as they once was. I wasnt there with every chica he had. There is no telling what kind of mistakes he was making. Things he said to them and things he did around them.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1529885]It would be more credible if he could give a specific example of a woman he knows who is getting $2000 per month on Western Union and still tricking in D'Latino's (no need to mention names). I am sure it is entirely possible, but the examples he give typically lack detail and it is by no means clear that he has spoken to the people concerned.[/QUOTE]Though I would agree that $2000. A month sounds like a stretch I personally have met three different girls who had more than one WU novios, all three still "worked".

One of them showed me her bank statement with over a million pesos in it, if I have a picture of her I'll post it, she has worked at both BB's, FOD and god knows where else, I guarantee some guys will recognize her, her name is Jackeline, she spells it different than that I think. She has four WU idiots sending her money. She told me she banks the WU money and lives off of the "working" money. She is a real sweetheart, speaks perfect english with huge natural breasts.

I met a former BB's employee in Azua whose Canadian novio bought her a beautiful house, a nightclub and a brand new SUV, he visits one week out of every month and she isn't that hot.

Foreigners sending money to girls on a monthly basis is rampant, I could go on forever with other examples of known girls that receive WU payments.

I'm not a big fan of CubaDave but that video should be mandatory reading in monger 101 class.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1529822]"All potential thieves"? I did not know it was geography specific. I was just speaking with my niece whose galaxy was stolen (or lost and never found. To use an euphemism) at her public school in the South East where she is a sophomore. My son is a freshman in a private school where they give ipads to use for school work and you see such things strewn across school.[/QUOTE]I didn't say it never happened elsewhere but the fact of the matter is that petty theft is much more prevalent in a poor country Tempoecorto, you know that as well as anybody.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1529845]I don't remember seeing so many Chica's with big butts here! And to top that off, they seem to be doing a brisk business. I am amazed at how many guys are going with these girls. One skinny guy I saw who was about six foot tall went with a girl that's ass had to of been at least three feet wide. In Colombia a lot of the Chicas have boob jobs but here I guess a lot of the Chica's pig out as there obviously is a market for big booty's.[/QUOTE]Surfer my man there are a lot of butt injections going on in the area. I first notice it in the Santo Domingo casas. I later became a victim of one in Sosua. You really can't blame them. They are selling their bodies and the sexies body gets the most business. I'm sure Eve double her business when she added to fake boobs in hair extensions. The girl that fooled me was pretty, young, slim, had a fat gorgeous clean shaven snach, but it was her Nicki Minajing chemical enhance fat ass that got her the 1500 peso deal. You are witnessing the calm before the storm

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1529627]Watched for about two minutes. The premise is all wrong: if someone thinks that he is going to elevate a woman to a life of virtue and hence decides to send money, the person is either a die hard romantic or an idiot.[/QUOTE]You missed the entire purpose of the video. Apparently there ARE some guys that think "he is going to elevate a woman to a life of virtue and hence decides to send money". If you have hung around ISG for any length of time you can't help but come across some of these (horror) stories (like the guy who married a well-known pro (Daniela) and had his wedding in Classicos).

Your assessment of the video is not in alignment with the (overwhelmingly positive) comments left by guys who have watched the video.

Photos courtesy of [b]Orgasmico[/b]:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2227-Sosua-Reports&p=1274614&viewfull=1#post1274614[/url]

[b]Video Model Daniela:[/b] [url]http://youtu.be/kNo2wp71moo[/url]

I don't have the link to the [b]suicide letter[/b] one monger sent her, lol. I think this was something only us old heads were aware of and discussed behind the scenes.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1529859]Pah, and you fell for all this? Chica is 32, so already past sell date and desperate with menopause approaching, if she is actually telling you her real age. So does she have a real job and a real source of revenue to live independently and support her child?

Clearly she expected you to take her to a cabana, of which there are numerous in Santiago, for example on the carretera on the way to the airport (and LaVega) for 300 pesos and up, and you must have passed them on the way to LaVega. She started the kissy stuff because you were too slow and the clock was running.

Of course she knew how to get back to LaVega. You could have dropped her at the Caribe Tours bus station, or she could have asked anyone where the parada for publico taxis to LaVega is, if she really did not know, which I severely doubt.

Of course she can cook. They can all cook if that includes putting everything in an aluminum caldero, adding that red universal seasoning, and burning the hell out of it and using about 3x as much cooking gas as necessary.

I was talking to a chica the other day who wants to go to the US. I said the quality of life is much better in the DR, but she said even if you have a job a single parent cannot make enough to live on, so you need one or two novios to provide extra benefits (Galaxy phones, or long hair pieces, or medicines). The men get the friendship and the Dominican women get the benefits.

She is just trying to play the long game with you. Let us know what happens. (And how come your Spanish is suddenly so limited? You had no trouble with in depth discussions with chicas before.) [/QUOTE]You are not off base, this chica is definitely a candidate for playing the long game with any dude she may meet. However what she wants for the long haul don't mean jack if I'm not supporting her plan. Don't you think thats an important part of the puzzle? Whatever I did with this chica so far, was nothing. Cost me gas, time, an appetizer and 2 drinks. So whatever I supposedly fell for is definitely in your brain, not in mine. I only think in one head.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1529796]My answer to the first part of the question is that they are idiots, nobody I know would do that. And they're ALL potential thieves in a third world country.[/QUOTE]So I guess your question of the dude I was talking about was rhetorical? I don't think a person has to be an idiot for that to happen. It's called making a mistake. Even an intelligent person can make an idiotic mistake.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1529807]Driving her to La Vega was a nice gesture. Next time, should you need, ask for "La parada de Treinta de Marzo". The bus stop at 30 de Marzo, which is about a 5-minute drive from el monumento towards the west. You can google the map obviously. There are two buses for La Vega that have their terminus there. La Uchomvesa and Expres Vegano, other than many other guaguas from other towns as well.[/QUOTE]Hopefully there won't be a next time, but I'll try to store this info. This particular chica knew where to catch the bus, but couldn't tell how to get there from where we were at. Rather than ask for directions (which I was free to do) , I elected to drive her. Caught her by surprise.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1529921]You missed the entire purpose of the video. Apparently there ARE some guys that think "he is going to elevate a woman to a life of virtue and hence decides to send money". If you have hung around ISG for any length of time you can't help but come across some of these (horror) stories (like the guy who married a well-known pro (Daniela) and had his wedding in Classicos).

You assessment of the video is not in alignment with the (overwhelmingly positive) comments left by guys who have watched the video.

Photos courtesy of [b]Orgasmico[/b]:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2227-Sosua-Reports&p=1274614&viewfull=1#post1274614[/url]

[b]Video Model Daniela:[/b]

[url]http://youtu.be/kNo2wp71moo[/url]

I don't have the link to the [b]suicide letter[/b] One monger sent her, LOL. I think this was something only us old heads were aware of and discussed behind the scenes.[/QUOTE]Thats really all it boils down to. One doesn't even have to believe Cubadave knows the players he's talking about, or if he received emails from dudes asking for feedback. The idea is just to understand the pertinent issues being addressed in the videos. Now if somebody has a more in depth account of the issue, so be it. It aint that serious.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1529859](And how come your Spanish is suddenly so limited? You had no trouble with in depth discussions with chicas before.)[/QUOTE]You have never been with me to know what the depth of my communications have been with any other chicas, so how would you know this was a sudden limitation? Let me pick your brain. Give me your specific account of my spanish abilities with other chicas? Then your account of my communication with the La Vega chica? Once your done, then we'll see which one of us may be the one with limitations when it comes to reading comprehension of what others post.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1529895]Sometimes when some guys get older they just arent as sharp as they once was.[/QUOTE]I completely disagree. The older guys are more seasoned. The younger guys still don't have a fucking clue in this hobby.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1529921]You missed the entire purpose of the video. Apparently there ARE some guys that think "he is going to elevate a woman to a life of virtue and hence decides to send money".[/QUOTE]I am not saying such people do not exist, I said the premise for sending money is wrong, that of having expectatiions. As I stated clearly, some are born romantics, idiots or so afraid of loneliness, they would try anything and so hundred hours of domenican dave's video lecture would not do any good or a friend's advice for that matter. History does not teach anything, especially others'.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1529911]I didn't say it never happened elsewhere but the fact of the matter is that petty theft is much more prevalent in a poor country Tempoecorto, you know that as well as anybody.[/QUOTE]Well, respectfully, the only time my passport was stolen was in Rome. On the way from the airport to the city by bus and I was a green horn. I think the chance of being a subject of petty crime is very high in all touristy areas, no matter whether one is in the developed or the third world. I remember the seamy kind of locals I saw in Delhi, India, where the budget tourists congregate. I also remember the "red light" area in Oslo, in Reeperbahn or Tijuana, for that matter. On the other hand, outside of such areas, people are just people. Hunger at one end or designer clothes at the other notwithstanding. The scare factor is more likely a stereotype, in my modest experience.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1529885]On the other hand there might be specific reasons to send money to someone with whom one had an ongoing relationship. Men around Sosua vary from occasional weekend warriors to part-time residents, to full time residents, and at some point many guys get tired of tricking in bars and develop some kind of ongoing domestic or semi domestic relationship with someone they like.[/QUOTE]I know a woman- a white domenican. About 27 with two kids. I have not been to bed with her despite having sent her money many times over. She is from Bonao and used to work in Santiago. Speaks immaculate Spanish and writes better than any other I have known, without the spelling errors rampant in the DR. Indeed the other day she told me that it is Niccolo Macchiavelli who had stated "end justifies the means". I never knew that. Lost her Job sometime ago and life has been a struggle. I have been to her house (met her dad). Hovel is more of an apt description but easily one of the nicest person I know. Her younger sister could not find any opportunity and so joined the church and is presently in Italy as a nun. This woman is now waiting to hear about a govt contract job that if she is lucky to get, will last a mere year. It would be nice to find a kind man, who knows even from this fraternity, for her.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1529975]I completely disagree. The older guys are more seasoned. The younger guys still don't have a fucking clue in this hobby.[/QUOTE]So you completely disagree? Disagree with what? I never said All older guys, I said some. And I said sometimes. For the record, when people disagree they usually have opposing views where a distinction can be made where they disagree. I don't see an opposing view, I see one of is making a generalization of older guys, and the other is not. The fact this one older dude made the mistakes he did kinda proves he wasnt seasoned in this hobby as he could be.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1530010]So you completely disagree? Disagree with what? I never said All older guys, I said some. And I said sometimes. For the record, when people disagree they usually have opposing views where a distinction can be made where they disagree. I don't see an opposing view, I see one of is making a generalization of older guys, and the other is not. The fact this one older dude made the mistakes he did kinda proves he wasnt seasoned in this hobby as he could be.[/QUOTE]So how old is an older guy anyways?

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1530010]So you completely disagree? Disagree with what? I never said All older guys, I said some. And I said sometimes. For the record, when people disagree they usually have opposing views where a distinction can be made where they disagree. I don't see an opposing view, I see one of is making a generalization of older guys, and the other is not. The fact this one older dude made the mistakes he did kinda proves he wasnt seasoned in this hobby as he could be.[/QUOTE]It's just my opinion. Didn't mean to get your panties in a bunch.

My opinion is based on 37 years of observation and experience throughout 40+ countries. I've seen way more youngsters than us older farts take a serious plunge for the working girls, especially in SEA. 27 years in the military allowed me to learn by others' mistakes.

Us old fucks no longer think with the little head, at least in the cases I have seen. I'm a people watcher and I've seen and experienced quite a bit in my lifetime, thus, my opinion.

The one older dude you mentioned was perhaps new to the hobby? That happens as well.

Well I had heard about it and today I saw with my own eyes. A big fat older white chick (I'm assuming a gringa) forty plus with two tall Dominican men and a hot blonde (seemed to be from Scandnavia or near there) who was with a Dominican guy. These girls are probably have a blast down here just like us.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1529859]They can all cook if that includes putting everything in an aluminum caldero, adding that red universal seasoning, and burning the hell out of it and using about 3x as much cooking gas as necessary.[/QUOTE]Please allow me to contradict you. I have had the opportunity of eating two women's cooking. I love goat meat and they made it for me and I thought both were superb. Now, that food is somewhat like my native Indian curry and so perhaps that is the reason why I liked it and if you are not into that, you may hate it. Granted!

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1529871]How did yall come to 1250 pesos, LOL?

As for the toilet cleansing, that's pretty gross considering you may have just pissed and shitted in it earlier. Are these Sosua chicas in so much of a rush now that they forgo bathing (and even the chance to)?[/QUOTE]I just want to know if he ate the pussy.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1529930]Hopefully there won't be a next time, but I'll try to store this info. This particular chica knew where to catch the bus, but couldn't tell how to get there from where we were at. Rather than ask for directions (which I was free to do) , I elected to drive her. Caught her by surprise.[/QUOTE]No surprise at all Wrx. I went out with a girl in Santiago before and when it came time to take her home she did not know how to get to her house. After so much time I got fed up and pulled over and flagged down a taxi and gave her 300 pesos to get home. Total airhead.

Driving isn't a problem. When I first met my girl I drove her back to Higuey from Santo Domingo. I didn't have shit else to do and I always wanted to see Higuey. I ended up spending the night at her crib and with her family treating me like a king the rest is history.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1530022]Us old fucks no longer think with the little head, at least in the cases I have seen. I'm a people watcher and I've seen and experienced quite a bit in my lifetime, thus, my opinion.[/QUOTE]...Said the guy who had me sticking my entire right hand up a girl's pussy and my entire left hand up the same girl's ass... AT THE SAME DAMN TIME! You were definitely people watching then huh buddy?

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1530024]Well I had heard about it and today I saw with my own eyes. A big fat older white chick (I'm assuming a gringa) forty plus with two tall Dominican men and a hot blonde (seemed to be from Scandnavia or near there) who was with a Dominican guy. These girls are probably have a blast down here just like us.[/QUOTE]I saw one too, a couple nights ago. Possibly the first of the ones you saw, she was standing with a young Dominican guy and looked like she was really enjoying herself. I definitely hope she was. There should be more women mongers and fewer haters (of either sex).

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1530047].Said the guy who had me sticking my entire right hand up a girl's pussy and my entire left hand up the same girl's ass. AT THE SAME DAMN TIME! You were definitely people watching then huh buddy?[/QUOTE]Wait a god damn minute! I don't recall pointing a gun to your head while you were doing the nasty deed, but I do recall a huge fucking grin!

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1529809]Going with these Haitians is new territory for me, I had a few on my last trip that where warm, friendly, affectionate, and nasty which I like. Perhaps these Haitians are becoming more in demand and can get by being bad performers, asking for more money, etc. Just like the Dominicans or perhaps I just wasn't lucky with the ones I chose. As far as these girls hygiene, I don't know what to think.[/QUOTE]Surf did you change your sells pitch? Did you hit them with the I am not sure about Haitians " why do these girl say Haitians are nasty and can't be trusted". Why do the say don't mess with your kind etc. Did you use reverse psychology on them as before? Set them up, to make them want to show you the Dominican chicas are hating on Haitians. I will run that game until the cows come home. It worked well for you last time. Lastly, did you EAT the pussy!

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1529930]Hopefully there won't be a next time, but I'll try to store this info. This particular chica knew where to catch the bus, but couldn't tell how to get there from where we were at. Rather than ask for directions (which I was free to do) , I elected to drive her. Caught her by surprise.[/QUOTE]How far was the drive one way?

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1530076]Surf did you change your sells pitch? Did you hit them with the I am not sure about Haitians " why do these girl say Haitians are nasty and can't be trusted". Why do the say don't mess with your kind etc. Did you use reverse psychology on them as before? Set them up, to make them want to show you the Dominican chicas are hating on Haitians. I will run that game until the cows come home. It worked well for you last time. Lastly, did you EAT the pussy![/QUOTE]That's funny! Well tonight I tried another Haitian who was thin with a pretty face and a cute as a button ass who I kind of be-friended on the Strip which sometimes works well for me versus the psychology stuff. Met her around 10 PM and chit-chatted, told her I couldn't go as I had just eaten (not toilet washed pussy) and was full and walked around for an hour and interviewed a couple of girls and found a thin white chick who I was thinking of going with until she told me she had three kids. Besides sticking my dick into toilet washed pussies I didn't want to go with a girl that potentially might be very loose. I then kept checking her out and thought about a few girls I have gone with before with three kids that are actually tight and decided to go with her but it was too late, she walked off with someone else. A little later I ran into the Haitian again and she asked me to take her and I could pay her what ever I wanted. Instant "red flag" and I said no and then she said she would accept 1, 000 Pesos so I said okay. This one had a nice demeanor and a great smile. She was very easy to get along with and sweet. She also skipped the toilet wash and headed right into the shower. I gave her a back massage and she gave a nice blow job and was a good sport about it taking me a while to finish. I'm still experimenting with these Haitians and won't be out on the Strip the next couple of nights as I have some Dominican Dating Site girls coming over for sleepovers and I eat these girls pussies!

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1530078]How far was the drive one way?[/QUOTE]From Santiago to La Vega about 45 minutes.

Spend my morning a Black beards chica draining my love juice ahaha.

$50 taxi ride to Sosua and check into my hotel at Terra Linda. Spend the afternoon browsing shops and looking for non monger activities. Stumbled onto a place that had the most beautiful server. I decided right away that this is the woman I'm going to marry. Total non pro. I spent hours trying to close that deal. Trying.

Out walking around I was stopped by two workers (separately) that offered services for dos mil. I give the WTF and they quickly change to 1500.

Later at night I wondered into a spot on the main drag called D'Latin. This place kinda puts me in the mind of del rey in san jose. I hadn't been keeping up with the boards and didn't know its been there a year. It was atleast 200 girls in and out of there during the night. Plenty of lookers. Most asked for 2000-2500. I mami, too mucho and they right away lower by 500dop. The super stunners were really proud of themselves and wouldn't budge from 3500dop. I saw guys approach but it didn't appear any were willing to seal the deal at 3500.

Spent time drinking, talking and dancing with plenty of girls. Finally just picked one to take care of me for an hour before I slept.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1530018]So how old is an older guy anyways?[/QUOTE]But I was talking to a dude I know at the beach yesterday. He kept saying in conversation, he was a old dude (blah blah blah ). The thing is, he is only 53. My friend that had his cologne stolen was 71. I would consider him an older dude, more than the other guy who is only 53. But depending on who the principals are, the 53 yr old could be considered an older dude if one is relating / comparing him to someone much younger than him.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin; 1530022]It's just my opinion. Didn't mean to get your panties in a bunch.

My opinion is based on 37 years of observation and experience throughout 40+ countries. I've seen way more youngsters than us older farts take a serious plunge for the working girls, especially in SEA. 27 years in the military allowed me to learn by others' mistakes.

Us old fucks no longer think with the little head, at least in the cases I have seen. I'm a people watcher and I've seen and experienced quite a bit in my lifetime, thus, my opinion.

The one older dude you mentioned was perhaps new to the hobby? That happens as well.[/QUOTE]You will be pleased to know, you did no such thing Tom. Remember, I only think in one head. I can't process what you read from me in my head. You feel something I don't.

I'm reading your explanation , and what I'm reading confirms that you and I don't completely disagree with each other. And you didn't even have to buttress your opinion by telling me about 37 yrs of observation and experience. Your one statement NOW said it all."You have seen way more youngsters than older farts take a serious plunge for the working girls etc etc." Thats a perspective I can apply.

I don't have a problem with that statement. In fact, I can relate to that as well from my own observations and experiences. So there are three things you could take into consideration here which illustrates what I was conveying to you. One, you don't completely disagree with me like you assumed. Two, your new statement is not a fallacious conclusion / generalization like your initial statement. And Third, when you claimed you disagreed, you left me puzzled and with the task of trying to apply a statement that can't support itself, because there were no reasons there to draw from.

Now Tom don't take this as anybodies panties being in a bunch. What I'm saying can be construed as passing on a little wisdom. An older guy should be or could appreciate that without charging it to panties being in a bunch. But it also has been said, one can't teach an old dog new tricks. I have never fully adopted that saying when applied to people. Not every old dude is stubborn and unwilling to accept new information. BTW, my buddy was new to mongering in Sosua, the DR. Him being older did not help him in those incidents. And like I said earlier, there is no telling what other mistakes or errors in judgement he made when he was with any chicas.

One last question Tom. In all of your observations and experience, have you seen any younger dudes that did have a fucking clue? I mean any? You know where I'm going with this, dont you?

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1530078]How far was the drive one way?[/QUOTE]It was about 35 minutes. It was Saturday night, about 7pm. There was virtually no congestion or heavy traffic on Route 1 leaving Santiago. When there is traffic / congestion you can add anywhere from 10 to 20 minutes to that time. It also depends on where in Santiago you are starting from. We were quite close to the monument, so it was a straight shot on the highway.

She must be an amazing fuck LOL.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1529921]You missed the entire purpose of the video. Apparently there ARE some guys that think "he is going to elevate a woman to a life of virtue and hence decides to send money". If you have hung around ISG for any length of time you can't help but come across some of these (horror) stories (like the guy who married a well-known pro (Daniela) and had his wedding in Classicos).

Your assessment of the video is not in alignment with the (overwhelmingly positive) comments left by guys who have watched the video.

Photos courtesy of [b]Orgasmico[/b]:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2227-Sosua-Reports&p=1274614&viewfull=1#post1274614[/url]

[b]Video Model Daniela:[/b]

[url]http://youtu.be/kNo2wp71moo[/url]

I don't have the link to the [b]suicide letter[/b] One monger sent her, LOL. I think this was something only us old heads were aware of and discussed behind the scenes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1530045]No surprise at all Wrx. I went out with a girl in Santiago before and when it came time to take her home she did not know how to get to her house. After so much time I got fed up and pulled over and flagged down a taxi and gave her 300 pesos to get home. Total airhead.

Driving isn't a problem. When I first met my girl I drove her back to Higuey from Santo Domingo. I didn't have shit else to do and I always wanted to see Higuey. I ended up spending the night at her crib and with her family treating me like a king the rest is history.[/QUOTE]This woman has an aunt that lives in Santiago, but as far as knowing her way around. Street names, turns to take? She was clueless. Earlier before we got to the Supermercado she actually pointed to where she catches the bus. But after we left the store I wasnt sure of getting my bearings straight. Plus she had groceries, and I thought it would be better for her if I drove her. Ideally, I would have preferred her taking the bus, so I could easily steer towards going home. However, we had enjoyed each others company up to that point, so it wasnt a difficult decision to go against my preference to drop her off at the bus.

[QUOTE=Bliadun;1530212]She must be an amazing fuck LOL.[/QUOTE]She was at the beach yesterday, hanging around#64. She looked like she put on some weight. In fact, it's possible she may be pregnant again because I saw a little pouch in front. What I notice though, when she is at the beach she looks Plain Jane. But when she heads out to Rumba, she makes a 180 degree transformation. The pants are tight, the heels are sexy, make up and hair are all in place.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1529799]Good report bro. Although I'm surprised you had the balls to be driving at night! I've rode in a cab from Blackbeard's to Sousa once and that road seemed very treacherous.[/QUOTE]I do not think it is a good idea to drive the route from Santiago to Puerto Plata at night. It is very dangerous. There are not any or enough reflectors on the road or guard rails IMO. And definitely lacking in lights along the route. You got motos and cars on the road with you, no headlights and / or no taillights. People and animals walking on the side of the road, crossing the road. Major potholes, flood basins all over the place. In the day it is better, but at night it's worse and not a good idea. For me the trip between PP and Sosua is a welcome relief after going through Santiago to PP. When it comes to taking a taxi from STI to Sosua at night, I dont know how enough guys take that risk? Especially with a potentially Presidente induced and overly tired taxi driver?

[QUOTE]I think that is key. You have an apartment, so that is a game changer. More privacy, a couch to sit on (and not a wooden stool like at Terra Linda) , a stove, etc. I could not bee cooped up in a hotel room for a week in Sosua. The area surrounding the strip is so small that everyone (the hustlers, change guys, and of course the chicas) know your business. They know what day you arrived, which chica (s) you have banged, where you go to eat, etc. Plus, if you are staying at a place like New Garden, you've got all the guys hanging around outside their rooms hawking every chica that you bring through there.

The long short of it is that you've got an apartment, rental car, and established outside (of Sosua) connections. I would not be bored with those options. But I would be with seeing the same group of chicas day in and day out, dealing with the same hustlers day in and day out, eating the same restaurant or hotel food, and being confined to one block (the strip).[/QUOTE]Understood too bro. But even before having an apartment I was never bored. I had movies downloaded on my external harddrive to watch on TV,laptop or ipad. I walked around a lot to learn the area and for exercise. I rented cars if I wanted to explore other places. I went to Cabarete, even to Blackbeards for lunch, and search for apartments. I went to a restaurant on the mountain on the way to Moca. Did that based on a recommendation from a guy I met on the beach. Drove east to Las Terrenas,Samana. Drove the same route to get to SD. So, I never allowed myself to be confined to one block, the strip or my hotel.

As far as my established connections outside of Sosua, I basically put in the effort to get them. The time spent in Sosua I took the time to establish friendships and bonds with other guys and especially expats. Information I later used to get to where I am today. All of that effort made my time in Sosua and the DR more enjoyable, productive and a learning growing experience. So I wished more guys would consider these things before they suggest to others that one can only tolerate Sosua for a few days or a week concentrating mostly on the strip and dealing with chicas. Sosua or vacationing in the DR can be more rewarding or fullfilling if one were to put more effort into it. After all, it's one of the best places in the world as far as CCCC. (cost, convenience, climate and of course chicas ). All the things I did before having an apartment.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1530203]In all of your observations and experience, have you seen any younger dudes that did have a fucking clue?[/QUOTE]Sure, I saw a few in my time. Judging by your trip reports, I would say you have a clue.

"Sometimes when some guys get older they just arent as sharp as they once was."

That was the statement I was responding to and I disagreed with that comment. And then you disagreed to my comment; so be it.

I refuse to fill up the "Sosua Reports" thread with agreements with no ending, thus, YOU WIN!

Keep up the trip reports, I enjoy reading them.

Before arriving here last week I spent about three weeks beforehand chatting with a 26 year old who lives in Puerto Plata on the dating site. She has a six year old daughter and works in a pizza parlor six days a week and makes approximately 2,200 Pesos a week. We seemed to be able to communicate well in writing and I proposed a sleepover at my hotel upon meeting if we both felt inclined to do so. I met her at the Taxi stand in Sosua last week and when she showed up she was wearing high heels, dress pants / blouse, Christin Dior sun-glasses, a Gucci handbag, earrings, rings, necklaces, etc. All a bunch of phony stuff. It was though she was coming to meet Bill Gates! She was also wearing one of those knitted caps a lot of these girls wear here to protect their hair.

Before taking her to the Hotel we walked into town and stopped at Baileys to have some beverages and talk. I wanted to size this one up before proceeding further. She already knew what would be on the agenda in the room and that she would be receiving some money. She was attractive enough but I had some difficulty communicating with her verbally. I hadn't experienced anything quite this difficult with the three other dating site girls I'm seeing and it was a struggle to understand her let alone her understanding me. I had something similar to this with another one of the girls but got beyond it. I told her that I didn't want any misunderstandings if she came to the room and that she could leave at anytime if she felt uncomfortable and that I would give her a weeks pay for the night. I was concerned about being able to communicate with this one but thought what the hell, she might turn out to be a wild nympho which would be fine with me. When we got to the room she didn't want to take off that goofy hat of hers which she finally did. She had beautiful hair that I wanted to look at which was the truth. One thing led to another in the room, the clothes came off and she was a great kisser which she initiated, however the sex wasn't bad but wasn't off the charts either. We had dinner in the room and spent six hours together and where really struggling to communicate. Something came up about maybe she should go, etc. And I decided to cut my losses and told her I was really tired and that if she wanted to leave she could. While walking her to the Taxi stand she asked me why I wasn't content with her. I told her it basically was a communication issue. She appreciated me being honest with her and we parted on a friendly basis. I subsequently received some E-mails from her and she said she was disappointed that she wouldn't be spending any more time with me. I explained to her that if I was going to spend time with anyone we would need to be able to communicate if not verbally then non-verbally. She told me in one E-mail that she had never met anyone like this before and it was all new to her. I told her that there was nothing wrong with her and that the problem was on my end regarding the language. She said she would never try meeting someone again like this and I encouraged her to try to meet someone who understands more Spanish than me and to try to learn some English. She appreciated this and thanked me for being so kind and understanding with all the E-mails, etc. This is one very honest and sincere woman. What a breath of fresh air and I do feel sad for her. Oh well, tonight I have one of my dating site girls from my last trip coming over for a sleepover. I had some difficulty communicating with this one as well at first but after hitting it off sexually we have been able to communicate just fine.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1530100]I'm still experimenting with these Haitians and won't be out on the Strip the next couple of nights as I have some Dominican Dating Site girls coming over for sleepovers and I eat these girls pussies![/QUOTE]I should have known if you'll attack a big wave you 'll eat a little pussy. Mr Gogo almost had me rationalizing the tongue roulette game. LOL

Surfer 500, reading your report made me think about my own on-line internet dating exploits. I haven't been back to the DR for over 2 years, coming back though hopefully in a couple of weeks. In the meantime I have accumulated around 70 phone numbers of some pretty gorgeous ladies from Dominican cupid, Badoo etc. However I am a bit dubious as to their motives to meet me and give me their numbers so easily, as I have never straight out asked them for sex or anything so direct. On top of that I am myself ambiguous as to my own motives, ie if one who was gorgeous etc really ONLY wanted a serious boyfriend etc, then I would take that seriously. But who to trust? It is a difficult thing to negotiate, and after having been to the DR twice, and as a guy in his mid 40's who has mongered all over the world and speaks pretty good spanish, I still do not really understand this country or it's people.

Anyway, I found a solution to this problem, not something I am exactly proud of. I set up a fake account on Badoo, using a couple of photo's of a random reasonably good looking guy I found online, and asked many of the same women I liked from my own correspondence (still following?) more upfront questions, to see their response, such as would you be interested to have make love / have sex with me, what present would you like for this etc. One girl said she wanted a Samsung Galaxy. When I said I would prefer to give her cash she asked for 1500 pesos! That is one cheap Samsung Galaxy! Some girls I thought were 'Good' girls gave me a price for sex in 10 seconds, others that I suspected were the 'Easy lays', refused my proposals and said they were not interested and were looking for a boyfriend / serious relationship etc. Hardly any were offended.

So now my head will be clearer when I phone these ladies, I know which ones I can shag for cash, and those who may be potential girlfriends. It's not something I've ever done before. I am usually too honest for my own good, but it has been a worthwhile exercise. So now, instead of worrying that I may say the wrong thing online and not get a chicks phone number, I am now more confident and direct, and usually get their numbers. I don't waste time having long internet conversations with them either. A couple of chicks I REALLY want to shag though, have given the 'fake' me their numbers and given a price for sex, but not replied at all to the 'real' me. So not sure what I will do for them, maybe phone them up and say the 'Fake' me gave me their number etc, so not sure how that will work out!

[QUOTE=Coupe66;1530484]So now my head will be clearer when I phone these ladies, I know which ones I can shag for cash, and those who may be potential girlfriends. It's not something I've ever done before. I am usually too honest for my own good, but it has been a worthwhile exercise. So now, instead of worrying that I may say the wrong thing online and not get a chicks phone number, I am now more confident and direct, and usually get their numbers. I don't waste time having long internet conversations with them either. A couple of chicks I REALLY want to shag though, have given the 'fake' me their numbers and given a price for sex, but not replied at all to the 'real' me. So not sure what I will do for them, maybe phone them up and say the 'Fake' me gave me their number etc, so not sure how that will work out![/QUOTE]The flip side is that the person you are chatting with may also be a fake to begin with. Can't tell you how many times I have run into this on sites like Dominican Cupid. The profiles with one photo of the chica are usually the easiest (fakes) to spot.

What I sometimes do is ask them for their Whatsapp number, then add them to my whatsapp and lie in wait. What I am looking for is what kind of photos come across her whatsapp profile. Chicas who are active on whatsapp usually change their photos every few days. Recently I have run across chicas whose whatsapp photos were different than what they presented on Dominican Cupid. And of course, no photo (in their whatsapp profile) , no chat.

The only real way to tell if the person you are chatting with is actually the person in the photos is to get them on webcam via Skype or something. But since most chicas do not have webcams...

Gotta be real careful with this online stuff. You can end up divulging too much info (when you are arriving, where you are staying, where to meet up with you at, your Dominican cell number) inadvertently. Just think if you tell a (fake) chica too meet up with you on the Malecon. 5 different people who now know what you look like could have passed by profiling you while you are standing there waiting for the (fake) "chica from the online photos" to show up.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1530492]The flip side is that the person you are chatting with may also be a fake to begin with. Can't tell you how many times I have run into this on sites like Dominican Cupid. The profiles with one photo of the chica are usually the easiest (fakes) to spot.

What I sometimes do is ask them for their Whatsapp number, then add them to my whatsapp and lie in wait. What I am looking for is what kind of photos come across her whatsapp profile. Chicas who are active on whatsapp usually change their photos every few days. Recently I have run across chicas whose whatsapp photos were differnt than what they presented on Dominican Cupid. And of course, no photo (in their whatsapp profile) , no chat.

The only real way to tell if the person you are chatting with is actually the person in the photos is to get them on webcam via Skype or something. But since most chicas do not have webcams.[/QUOTE]I appreciate your advice and see your point to an extent. Many have given me their facebook pages though, where I've seen load of photo's of them, their families and lives etc. Believe it or not I don't have whatsapp on my phone, many of them have given me their whatsapp number, which is also their phone number too I guess? Anyway, whats the worst that can happen? I will meet a chick in a bar, who isn't who they said they were, and I'll leave. I certainly won't arrange to meet them at my place on a first date! But I won't be deceiving anyone. Anybody I arrange to meet, I'll do through my real profile and my photo etc, the purpose of the fake account was just to ask them some screening questions and not to worry about the replies I got, as I didn't 'burn' any potential action that way, if they didn't like my questions. I now know their real objectives better too. I'm also pretty good at knowing real and fake photo's and profiles, and I don't tend to go for the more barbie types, who are more prone to have fakes anyway. If something looks too good to be true, it usually is!

[QUOTE=Coupe66;1530494]I appreciate your advice and see your point to an extent. Many have given me their facebook pages though, where I've seen load of photo's of them, their families and lives etc. Believe it or not I don't have whatsapp on my phone, many of them have given me their whatsapp number, which is also their phone number too I guess?[/QUOTE]I wrote about this in the SD forum a while back. Facebook is the second step in what I like to call the "two-step verification process". It serves as a second form of verification for the very same reasons you listed.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1530100]and found a thin white chick who I was thinking of going with until she told me she had three kids. Besides sticking my dick into toilet washed pussies I didn't want to go with a girl that potentially might be very loose.[/QUOTE]Three kids or ten, it does not matter. Apparently, C-section is widely practiced in the D. R. If it were the US, I would have hazarded that the surgeons make more money with such procedures the reason why it is popular. Not so sure about the reason in the DR. Well so next time, you would not have to discard an option because of motherhood.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;1530484]Anyway, I found a solution to this problem, not something I am exactly proud of. I set up a fake account on Badoo, using a couple of photo's of a random reasonably good looking guy I found online, and asked many of the same women I liked from my own correspondence (still following?) more upfront questions, to see their response, such as would you be interested to have make love / have sex with me, what present would you like for this etc. A couple of chicks I REALLY want to shag though, have given the 'fake' me their numbers and given a price for sex, but not replied at all to the 'real' me.[/QUOTE]Seems like your experiment turned out pretty good Coupe. Maybe some girls liked the fake you, but didn't like the real you. Everybody is not going to like everybody. You can't fuck all of them anyway.

I've never had a problem with meeting a chick and she had not been who she said. And I don't have any type of verification process in place. Just like you I get on and tell them I will be in DR in a couple of days and ask for their phone number. Then when I get there I send them a text or whatsapp or call or whatever and make arrangements to meet in person.

I just arrived in the Philippines and I did the same thing on an international site. I changed my location to Manila the day before I came then hit up a bunch of chicks. One is on her way to meet me right now. You have to figure that more fucking guys than you can imagine are hitting these girls up daily. You want to be the outlier. By that I mean you want to be the one that sticks out because you are either in country or will be in country in a couple of days. Otherwise half the time they will just think you are full of shit like most of the other guys that email them wasting their time.

Great report to Surfer as well. It appears you are making some memories down there.

Anyway, I found a solution to this problem, not something I am exactly proud of. I set up a fake account on Badoo, using a couple of photo's of a random reasonably good looking guy I found online, and asked many of the same women I liked from my own correspondence (still following?) more upfront questions, to see their response, such as would you be interested to have make love / have sex with me, what present would you like for this etc. One girl said she wanted a Samsung Galaxy. When I said I would prefer to give her cash she asked for 1500 pesos! That is one cheap Samsung Galaxy! Some girls I thought were 'Good' girls gave me a price for sex in 10 seconds, others that I suspected were the 'Easy lays', refused my proposals and said they were not interested and were looking for a boyfriend / serious relationship etc. Hardly any were offended.

Wow, I never thought of something like this. I'm curious to know what kind of work your in? Anyway I don't think you need to go to this extreme vetting the girls on the dating site. I have been very direct and upfront with the girls and my vetting process which takes time is to correspond a while, pose a hypothetical situation being together for a night and inform them I can help them out with some money. Unfortunately I am not here that often and since my time is limited I have to resort to this as I only have so many days. If I lived here my approach would be totally different. In regards to the "money issue" with these girls, it has been my experience if they can't tell you what they want than you should make an offer or move on to the next one. Also, the best girls I have met have been those who have real jobs. I'm an "older guy" so I'm not looking for the hot 20 somethings but do have a cute 23 year old in my stable. Last night I had a 29 year old divorcee I met on my last trip come for the night and she jumped me when she arrived. Tonight I have a 29 year old hard body who I met on my last trip with no kids that I adore coming over and plan on spending several days with her over the next two weeks and tomorrow I have the cute 23 year old coming over. The two 29 year old girls I have love to be romanced and besides being in it for the money their also into pleasure versus the majority of the girls on the Strip. I'm still looking to fill the stable up with some new girls but the only problem is going to be managing my leche. If your a reasonably good looking guy in shape and speak Spanish you have probably already been flooded with hundreds of "interested messages" on the dating site and should do well. As previously mentioned by others don't divulge to much and interview them in person before taking them to your hotel. I had one on my last trip that didn't look like her photo's so I gave her a little money to go away.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1530513]Three kids or ten, it does not matter. Apparently, C-section is widely practiced in the D. R. If it were the US, I would have hazarded that the surgeons make more money with such procedures the reason why it is popular. Not so sure about the reason in the DR. Well so next time, you would not have to discard an option because of motherhood.[/QUOTE]It's not a matter of motherhood. I have been with lots of girls here that have not had C-sections and the ones with three or more kids have typically been a bit loose. I also don't ask the girls beforehand if they have had a C-Section as I might get slapped for that one.

[QUOTE=Coupe66; 1530484]Anyway, I found a solution to this problem, not something I am exactly proud of. I set up a fake account on Badoo, using a couple of photo's of a random reasonably good looking guy I found online, and asked many of the same women I liked from my own correspondence (still following?) more upfront questions, to see their response, such as would you be interested to have make love / have sex with me, what present would you like for this etc. One girl said she wanted a Samsung Galaxy. When I said I would prefer to give her cash she asked for 1500 pesos! That is one cheap Samsung Galaxy! Some girls I thought were 'Good' girls gave me a price for sex in 10 seconds, others that I suspected were the 'Easy lays', refused my proposals and said they were not interested and were looking for a boyfriend / serious relationship etc. Hardly any were offended.

So now my head will be clearer when I phone these ladies, I know which ones I can shag for cash, and those who may be potential girlfriends. It's not something I've ever done before. I am usually too honest for my own good, but it has been a worthwhile exercise. So now, instead of worrying that I may say the wrong thing online and not get a chicks phone number, I am now more confident and direct, and usually get their numbers. I don't waste time having long internet conversations with them either. A couple of chicks I REALLY want to shag though, have given the 'fake' me their numbers and given a price for sex, but not replied at all to the 'real' me. So not sure what I will do for them, maybe phone them up and say the 'Fake' me gave me their number etc, so not sure how that will work out![/QUOTE]This something I have did before trying to get a few girls to slip on my space back in the days. Its very affective. One must asked himself "what do I really want". Potential novias are good if you like Mr. E and myself visiting the DR very regularly or Charles and Fannie who live there. If you visit once, twice or 3 times and year then why would you need a novia. (that's not directed at you) I recalled a guy posting a while back bragging about this encounter with a non pro. In this report he said now I have a novia in the DR. He also said he wasn't plan on going back no time soon. What good did this do for the chica whom was looking for more than a fuck. If she was sincere you just corrupted a possible good girl! Or if she didn't give you any sex after you wine & dine, took her shopping for the family, spent gas or cab money driving hours in her company and wasting your time corrupting your pockets on a 3 to 5 day vaction. Not seeing a novia for months but she is showing loyalty to you (so you feel) by faithfully keeping in contact will almost compel you to that WU line at Walmart. A woman not looking for a little money but waiting for a novio may be looking for a lot more. What can you give her in living in the US besides a little money and little time. MORE MONEY MORE MONEY MORE MONEY! She is a woman in a country were woman have a lot lesser but need or want just as much as the other women. Once you spend your hard earn money in that Wally World line- now you are going to stress yourself about is really she being loyal or playing you- giving that young hot tight pussy to someone else? If you think she is loyal (its possible) that usually lead to more trips to Wally World because she needs Help and your are not there. Its in our nature to protect our woman. Loyal cost and you can't pay her with time because you are in the US. OlKool drop game when he said stick to semi to pros and don't care who she is fucking once you leave. Establish firmly- I coming to the DR, I want to spend time with you and I am going to lookout for you before I leave if our chemistry is good. You have set the tone for the GFE! DR women are use to be ruled with a firm hand by there DR male counterparts. They love an unsure and weak man because he is an easy target to use (unlike DR men). Chica respect authority as long you respect them and they are getting something out the ordeal. Wrx said in a nut shell recently when he met a new chica. He quickly established the ground rules saying he don't care about her boyfriend or how she does her thing". Don't try bullshit on me and we can keep things 100. I recall smooth sailing.

For the new guy's reading these boards trying to make a decision about going to the DR. Don't be bothered with anything. If preparing for a trip becomes to much like a job then just say fuck it and quit looking. Almost all my plans on my first trips were for nothing they all went out the window as soon as I got there. I have found for me it is best to just go and let things happen the way there going to. Anyone that goes to DR will start noticing the women being more friendly as soon as they hit the ground and usually on the plane. Make it to Sosua and it is a no brainer for any man alive pussy is waiting 24-7 for cheap. All jokes aside Sosua is for all men no matter what situation life has put you in for example if you are in a wheel chair no problem or if you have had a arm , leg, hand, fingers, toes, noise whatever cut off it does not matter here. This is a place where all men can go and have what they have always really wanted.

Late report for the super bowl. Arrived in sd for two days then took the metro to Sosua. Stayed at the victorian house. Pretty nice hotel for $65. My boy had a jr suite and he found a mouse in his room. I saw the biggest roach in the hallway in front of my room. I kicked it and it layed in the hallway for two days before the maids took it I assume LOL. The maid did clean the room everyday and extra towls were no problem. Always hot water, fridge, ac, cable wifi and killer view. The internet and tv went out when it rain and it rained a lot superbowl weekend. The victorian does have a real nice view so not bad for $65, did not find any animals or insects in my room. Didn't eat at the resturant there.

This was the first time in a while that I saw a lot of new faces. Usually see the same faces, saw those too, but a lot of new ones. This was my 3rd superbowl in row and as afar as the talent, prob the weakest out of all of them. Got pickpocted in dlatin the first night meet this other dude that happened to him on sat night. From every night then on I wore jeans which wasent bad because it rained a lot and not that hot at night. Thrusday and Friday night were packed at rumba and dlatin. A lot of talent walking around. Sat and sun not so much. The usual happend at 11pm when the crowd shifted from rumba to dlatin. At 2 in the moring sat and sun night you could actually walk the dance floor without bumping into somebody. Never say Dlatin not pack at 2am especially during superbowl weekend. I guess a lot of dudes grabbed their chicas and went in ealry. And it was so much rain probably killed the vibe. Classicos opened for one night, it was dead. Got to the beach fri, sat, and sun and arrived around 2-3pm all days. Not that much talent walking around. Pretty surprised. Sunday had the most girls walking around.

Being the last two superbowls I didn't see any price change from a normal weekend, I thought it would be the same. Seems like the going rate is 2. 5k pesos st. Didn't do tln and never asked but assume 4k range. In daytime could get 1. 5k-2k but you have to spit some game in Spanish for 1.5k. Maybe I was quoted so much only because I went for 7. 5-8's. The uglier ones might have been cheaper. BBBJ was never a question, always the standard. Not so much the last two times I've been to sosua. In dec I got my first refusal for BBBJ! Guess its changeinh but no problem ever finding a chica that will do it. Too many girls out there.

I'm writing this from someone whos been going to Sosua for 3 years. Not a long time compared to some but a enough to see the changes. My adivce for first timers, don't take our bitching about how sosua has chaged, its going down hill, etc. For your first couple of times you will have a blast and not even notice some of the things people are complaing about.

Are the Sosua girls greek friendly? I love arses. Any idea how much extra they'd charge?

Going in 10 sleeps!

[QUOTE=Grandnash84; 1531459]Late report for the super bowl. Arrived in sd for two days then took the metro to sosua. Stayed at the victorian house. Pretty nice hotel for $65. My boy had a jr suite and he found a mouse in his room. I saw the biggest roach in the hallway in front of my room. I kicked it and it layed in the hallway for two days before the maids took it I assume LOL. The maid did clean the room everyday and extra towls were no problem. Always hot water, fridge, ac, cable wifi and killer view. The internet and tv went out when it rain and it rained a lot superbowl weekend. The victorian does have a real nice view so not bad for $65, did not find any animals or insects in my room. Didn't eat at the resturant there.

This was the first time in a while that I saw a lot of new faces. Usually see the same faces, saw those too, but a lot of new ones. This was my 3rd superbowl in row and as afar as the talent, prob the weakest out of all of them. Got pickpocted in dlatin the first night meet this other dude that happened to him on sat night. From every night then on I wore jeans which wasent bad because it rained a lot and not that hot at night. Thrusday and Friday night were packed at rumba and dlatin. A lot of talent walking around. Sat and sun not so much..[/QUOTE]Is Sosua becoming the new Boca Chica and Boca Chica becoming the new Sosua.

These reports of pickpocketing in D'Latinos, high prices and poor attitudes are becoming all to common and my experience from my November, December and January trips. I too had a chica try to pick pocket me in December in D'Latinos but I caught her with her hand in my pocket before she could take any money out. Started to pull her by her arm to security at the front door but she resisted, figuring it probably wasnt a good ideal to physicaly pull the chica agenst her will I let her go and went and got security. On my way back with security every chica in the place wanted to stand in front of me and do the rump shake to buy the other chica time to get away. Had a few chicas want to give a CBJ all of whom got dismissed and generally had a larg number of chicas give poor performances and rushed services in the bed room. My wingman had a chica steal his watch and other things out of his room and then spit on him. Had many try to get 2000p out of me for short time and had to let many go because they would not come down to 1500p. So is Sosua becoming to over run with hardcore girls with poor attitudes and bad service.

Last week when I was in Boca Chica I found many girls who gave me great service never paid more than 1000p to 1500p for every girl all of whom agreed quite quickly to this price and generally got really good service out of almost every girl I was with. DATY and BBBJ were readily available and quite frankly BBFS was quite easy to get as well. My wing man took the hot little receptionist from our hotel to his fourth floor balcony over looking the beach for a little chupa and yes he did letch in Boca Chica. The strip along Duarte was alive and fun every night with what I considered to be very attractive girls. The Piano bar was filled and lots of fun every night with what I thought were extreemly attractive girls. Disco El Batey was similar in almost every regard to D'Latinos Hot women easy to pick up and lots of fun. I only had two sessions that I was disapointed in and both girls were Sosua vets who had worked Rumba and D'Latinos the rest of the girls who at least claimed to have never been to Sosua all gave me great service. Boca Chica is almost exclusively an Italian vacation / monger destination not a lot of Americans or other nationalities there but they were all pretty friendly and easy to get along with. The hustlers and touts could be quite pesky at times but no worse than Sosua beach or other monger destinations through out the world.

So is Sosua becoming the new Boca Chica and Boca Chica becoming the new Sosua?

Everyones opinion and taste in women are a little different but in my opinion the women in Boca Chica were equal to what you can find in Sosua. Below are a few photos of some Boca Chica Chicas.

Chris

[QUOTE=Voldemorts; 1531567]Are the Sosua girls greek friendly? I love arses. Any idea how much extra they'd charge?

Going in 10 sleeps![/QUOTE]You can get any thing you want in Sosua. Different girls different price's. Read these reports as much as you can before you leave on your trip. You do have to wade through a lot of shit to find what your looking for but it will be worth your time.

[QUOTE=Voldemorts; 1531567]Are the Sosua girls greek friendly? I love arses. Any idea how much extra they'd charge?

Going in 10 sleeps![/QUOTE]Not that common in Sosua especially if its your first time being with the chica, but is around Grace and Claribel are two names that come to mind. Generaly they will want 500p to 1000p if its your first time or two together. If the two of you have some history together and theres chemistry between the two of you then it will become the standard M O in your sessions and no extra fee.

Would post some more descriptive photos of Grace and Claribel but unfortunately there are to many pecker heads on here who have to compensate for their physical short coming by running to the chicas and telling them every time their pictures appear on a site like this.

Chris

[QUOTE=Chris Long;1531614]Is Sosua becoming the new Boca Chica and Boca Chica becoming the new Sosua.[/QUOTE]Have they finally managed to run off all of the pimps hanging around Boca Chica?

[b]Originally Posted by Jooks[/b] [View Original Post]
The day before, I went to Boca Chica. It's been a long time since I was there. 15 years probably. Things didn't seem to change much though, except there was no place to relax and stay by the ocean without being hassled to rent a chair and a million other things. I tell ya, [b]I don't mind the touts so much and expected it. I know how to handle them. But all the women seem to work for pimps and there didn't seem to be any freelancers.[/b] Not that there were many women there when I was there, a rainy Wednesday.

[b]I ended up talking to several of the pimps or touts or whatever you want to call them[/b] and we had interesting conversations. I kept saying I didn't want a chica mainly because I didn't see any women I was remotely interested in. But I took the bait when a tout told me he had exactly what I was looking for, young, blanco and pretty. However, I almost vomited when he introduced me. He said she was 16 but she didn't even look that old. While I admit to being attracted, this is something I draw the line at. I honestly felt sorry for her. I immediately headed back to Santo Domingo.

[b]Originally Posted by Cocr Brotheler[/b] [View Original Post]
Boca chica is fun but yes is like the wild west [b](TONS of touts every where)[/b]. Each of the 3 chicas I've had in the past 24 hrs. I had to start the negotiations and then ask them what is the normal price for f. S. To get their starting point to the negotiation. They would not start negotiations saying whatever you want to pay afterwards (Really?). Very glad I did negot. Up front since one (a fatter 31 why / o street puta) who thought she worth (3K) twice what I would pay. [b]Also she mentioned something about all these amigos she has during the negotiations kinda like a threat or something.[/b] The youngest (24 why / o) I saw eye to eye on (wouldn; t have to negot.) and the media (29 why / o) we were pretty close so it wouldn't be too much a surprise if I waited until after.

So anyways there will always be one that could cause some stress so I like to always negot. Up front.

I have the option to stay in B. C. 2 more days but really liked SDO and all the casa offerings. I am after all a Brotheler!

[QUOTE=Chris Long; 1531614]Is Sosua becoming the new Boca Chica and Boca Chica becoming the new Sosua.

These reports of pickpocketing in D'Latinos, high prices and poor attitudes are becoming all to common and my experience from my November, December and January trips. I too had a chica try to pick pocket me in December in D'Latinos but I caught her with her hand in my pocket before she could take any money out. Started to pull her by her arm to security at the front door but she resisted, figuring it probably wasnt a good ideal to physicaly pull the chica agenst her will I let her go and went and got security. On my way back with security every chica in the place wanted to stand in front of me and do the rump shake to buy the other chica time to get away. Had a few chicas want to give a CBJ all of whom got dismissed and generally had a larg number of chicas give poor performances and rushed services in the bed room. My wingman had a chica steal his watch and other things out of his room and then spit on him. Had many try to get 2000p out of me for short time and had to let many go because they would not come down to 1500p. So is Sosua becoming to over run with hardcore girls with poor attitudes and bad service.

Last week when I was in Boca Chica I found many girls who gave me great service never paid more than 1000p to 1500p for every girl all of whom agreed quite quickly to this price and generally got really good service out of almost every girl I was with. DATY and BBBJ were readily available and quite frankly BBFS was quite easy to get as well. My wing man took the hot little receptionist from our hotel to his fourth floor balcony over looking the beach for a little chupa and yes he did letch in Boca Chica. The strip along Duarte was alive and fun every night with what I considered to be very attractive girls. The Piano bar was filled and lots of fun every night with what I thought were extreemly attractive girls. Disco El Batey was similar in almost every regard to D'Latinos Hot women easy to pick up and lots of fun. I only had two sessions that I was disapointed in and both girls were Sosua vets who had worked Rumba and D'Latinos the rest of the girls who at least claimed to have never been to Sosua all gave me great service. Boca Chica is almost exclusively an Italian vacation / monger destination not a lot of Americans or other nationalities there but they were all pretty friendly and easy to get along with. The hustlers and touts could be quite pesky at times but no worse than Sosua beach or other monger destinations through out the world.

So is Sosua becoming the new Boca Chica and Boca Chica becoming the new Sosua?

Everyones opinion and taste in women are a little different but in my opinion the women in Boca Chica were equal to what you can find in Sosua. Below are a few photos of some Boca Chica Chicas.

Chris[/QUOTE]It was kinda of funny because this was my 2nd time getting pickpocketed in dlatin's. And before I got pickpocketed I kept saying to myself if I catch a chica hand in my pocket I'm going to give her a right cross and drag her ass to the police outside. I know there a a lot of horror stories about dealing with chicas, but police will not hesitate to arrest a chica for pick pocketing. You also got to tip the cops and tell them how many days you want her ass in jail. I had to ko a crack head on calle Rosen across from terra kinda about 8 months back. She walked up and tried to rub on me and as soon as I pushed her away I caught her hand in my pockets. So I grabbed her and and twisted it as hard as I could then gave that 50 years old crackhead a right cross and layed her ass out. Walked to dlatin's and told this tout what happened. He told me to tell the cops and have her arrested but you got to give the cop "dinero parra gasolina." Never had a chica steal from my room because I always treat the girls nice but I also chica proof my room everytime before I leave. I would never get into an argument in my room or hotel with a chica, but if I catch one on the street trying to pick pocket me, I'm throwing fists. If it's a crowded place like dlatin's and I catch the girl trying to pickpocket me and I sock her, most likely she going to jail, not me. But in your hotel room with no witness is a different story.

On another note, I can agree with you completely about the prices and services going down hill. My last two tropes were in sept, dec and feb and since then it's been going down hill

Three days with no rain and each day has been hotter than the day before!

[QUOTE=Grandnash84; 1531661]It was kinda of funny because this was my 2nd time getting pickpocketed in dlatin's. And before I got pickpocketed I kept saying to myself if I catch a chica hand in my pocket I'm going to give her a right cross and drag her ass to the police outside. I know there a a lot of horror stories about dealing with chicas, but police will not hesitate to arrest a chica for pick pocketing. You also got to tip the cops and tell them how many days you want her ass in jail. I had to ko a crack head on calle Rosen across from terra kinda about 8 months back. She walked up and tried to rub on me and as soon as I pushed her away I caught her hand in my pockets. So I grabbed her and and twisted it as hard as I could then gave that 50 years old crackhead a right cross and layed her ass out. Walked to dlatin's and told this tout what happened. He told me to tell the cops and have her arrested but you got to give the cop "dinero parra gasolina." Never had a chica steal from my room because I always treat the girls nice but I also chica proof my room everytime before I leave. I would never get into an argument in my room or hotel with a chica, but if I catch one on the street trying to pick pocket me, I'm throwing fists. If it's a crowded place like dlatin's and I catch the girl trying to pickpocket me and I sock her, most likely she going to jail, not me. But in your hotel room with no witness is a different story.

On another note, I can agree with you completely about the prices and services going down hill. My last two tropes were in sept, dec and feb and since then it's been going down hill[/QUOTE]I would not advise hitting a chica even if she is pickpocketing you in public. The chica union is very strong and you are the outsider the foreigner they will stick together and lie about what happened. Getting physical with a chica even when she is stealing from you is never a good idea. Turning them into the police and tipping the police to have her arrested is a good ideal but it won't work if you have already hit the girl. If you hit her even though she was stealing from you, you will be the one going to jail. It never pays to get physical with these chicas even when they are in the wrong. I know several mongers who had crazy chicas doing things to them stealing from them hitting them and they got physical with the chica and each one of them ended up in jail, never a good idea to put your hands on a chica in a violent way no matter how wrong she is.

Chris

Nothing personal, but you are demented.

[QUOTE=Grandnash84; 1531661]It was kinda of funny because this was my 2nd time getting pickpocketed in dlatin's. And before I got pickpocketed I kept saying to myself if I catch a chica hand in my pocket I'm going to give her a right cross and drag her ass to the police outside. I know there a a lot of horror stories about dealing with chicas, but police will not hesitate to arrest a chica for pick pocketing. You also got to tip the cops and tell them how many days you want her ass in jail. I had to ko a crack head on calle Rosen across from terra kinda about 8 months back. She walked up and tried to rub on me and as soon as I pushed her away I caught her hand in my pockets. So I grabbed her and and twisted it as hard as I could then gave that 50 years old crackhead a right cross and layed her ass out. Walked to dlatin's and told this tout what happened. He told me to tell the cops and have her arrested but you got to give the cop "dinero parra gasolina." Never had a chica steal from my room because I always treat the girls nice but I also chica proof my room everytime before I leave. I would never get into an argument in my room or hotel with a chica, but if I catch one on the street trying to pick pocket me, I'm throwing fists. If it's a crowded place like dlatin's and I catch the girl trying to pickpocket me and I sock her, most likely she going to jail, not me. But in your hotel room with no witness is a different story.

On another note, I can agree with you completely about the prices and services going down hill. My last two tropes were in sept, dec and feb and since then it's been going down hill[/QUOTE]

Went to Cabarete with 3 friends, one who was leaving the next day. While there 2 dominican women are walking by the Kahuna. I called them over, since they kept looking at us, looking at them. One average size (chica 1) and the other (chica 2) a little pudgy and short. My buddy P (the one leaving tomorrow) is into thick, full figured women, so he went straight for chica 2. I'm just the opposite. I like slimmer women with nice round asses. Don't need big titties, just need nipples and enough titty to fill ones mouth.

At some point we asked the women how old they were. Chica 1 says she was 30. The other claimed to be 28. You can look at chica 1 and see she was older than 30, but then I just assumed it must be in her genes. She was wearing enough makeup, had a decent figure, and a hairstyle that was in like a frizzy fro. It looked good on her.

IMO they were walking the beach hoping to find men looking for women for sex / companionship. It wasnt long before we were ready to leave. The women claimed they were going back to Sabonetta. Looked like they were hoping we were going to drive them there. I took chica 1's number, and tentatively agreed to get together the next day.

Next day comes, and I pick her up from the gas station next to the metro bus station. As usual, I ask if she was hungry. We went to Calle Pizzeria on the main road, but they were closed. I guess she was cool with that because she came up with another recommendation, Bailey's. I don't usually like going to Baileys because I don't like the taxes they add to the bill, and sometimes lackluster service. Nor do I like taking chicas there I don't have a rapport with yet.

We did go to Baileys, but I asked her to order to go, told the waitress the order was to go. Food comes to the table? I insisted the food get wrapped up to go. 900 pesos for a simple shrimp meal and fries? Thats another reason I don't like taking chicas to Baileys or certain restaurants before I am ready to. They will order shit they wouldn't buy themselves.

Several chicas I've been with will come over and eat any leftovers I have. Or I will take them to Rickys dom rest on PC and let them pick out whatever they want. They get a lot of food for good prices. Most chicas are simplistic when it comes to feeding them. But this chick reminded me of going out on dates in the states.

Get her back to my spot. She ate and then gave me a decent pedicure (suppused to be a hairdresser ). This chica was going for the goal. Said she wanted a relationship with me blah blah blah. Said she would spend the night tomorrow night. LOL. The whole time I'm with this chick she is wreaking of cigarette smoke coming out of her lungs, she looks harder in the face now than the other night in Cabarete. Chick now claims she is 37 after I pointed out I didn't believe she was 30. For all I know, she could be in her 40's.

It didn't matter, I would only want to fuck her anyway.

Next night she comes over and this time I take her to Rockys. She orders the same meal she did from Baileys. I guess it's no escaping this chicas taste when somebody else is paying. Let her eat, we left. This chica was a deadfish in bed. We didn't even have sex. I wasnt interested. And kissing her was like kissing a room full of smokers. Moreover, after all of that makeup came off, she really did look rather hard in the face.

Next day, I just told her I can't deal with a woman who smokes. Chick responds by telling me she will quit, and that she really wants us to work. Of course, I know the real deal is, she sees her "meal" ticket slipping away before she got a chance to tap into it sufficiently. I never told her I wanted a relationship or was looking for one. She just assumed a dude would pursue her for one if she acted like that is what she was looking for.

My experience with her was chalked up to just having something different to do than hanging in Sosua.

[QUOTE=Grandnash84; 1531661]It was kinda of funny because this was my 2nd time getting pickpocketed in dlatin's. And before I got pickpocketed I kept saying to myself if I catch a chica hand in my pocket I'm going to give her a right cross and drag her ass to the police outside. I know there a a lot of horror stories about dealing with chicas, but police will not hesitate to arrest a chica for pick pocketing. You also got to tip the cops and tell them how many days you want her ass in jail. I had to ko a crack head on calle Rosen across from terra kinda about 8 months back. She walked up and tried to rub on me and as soon as I pushed her away I caught her hand in my pockets. So I grabbed her and and twisted it as hard as I could then gave that 50 years old crackhead a right cross and layed her ass out. Walked to dlatin's and told this tout what happened. He told me to tell the cops and have her arrested but you got to give the cop "dinero parra gasolina." Never had a chica steal from my room because I always treat the girls nice but I also chica proof my room everytime before I leave. I would never get into an argument in my room or hotel with a chica, but if I catch one on the street trying to pick pocket me, I'm throwing fists. If it's a crowded place like dlatin's and I catch the girl trying to pickpocket me and I sock her, most likely she going to jail, not me. But in your hotel room with no witness is a different story.

On another note, I can agree with you completely about the prices and services going down hill. My last two tropes were in sept, dec and feb and since then it's been going down hill[/QUOTE]What exactly is the point of this?

I remember one time that a chica blocked my way on the sidewalk, clung on to me, and seemed to be trying to grab my wallet. I hit her quite hard on the upper arm, so that it hurt my hand, but the purpose was to make her stop what she was doing immediately, not to injure her.

If you hit someone hard in the head or knock them down it is quite possible that you could cause permanent injury or even death if the sequence of events is unfavorable.

If you did this is the US, you would be legally liable for a criminal act and for damages. Possibly in the DR you might get away with it, but it seems plain foolish to test your luck. In any case the reaction is completely disproportionate.

It is better to only go out to chica bars only carrying the cash and valuables that you immediately need, thus practicing a harm reduction strategy from the outset, because the economic damage a pickpocket could do to you would be slight. By keeping the money in two or three different locations on your person and using pockets that are difficult to access, you can further reduce the risk of loss.

[QUOTE=Chris Long; 1531677]I would not advise hitting a chica even if she is pickpocketing you in public. The chica union is very strong and you are the outsider the foreigner they will stick together and lie about what happened. Getting physical with a chica even when she is stealing from you is never a good idea. Turning them into the police and tipping the police to have her arrested is a good ideal but it won't work if you have already hit the girl. If you hit her even though she was stealing from you, you will be the one going to jail. It never pays to get physical with these chicas even when they are in the wrong. I know several mongers who had crazy chicas doing things to them stealing from them hitting them and they got physical with the chica and each one of them ended up in jail, never a good idea to put your hands on a chica in a violent way no matter how wrong she is.

Chris[/QUOTE]I was pick pocketed in D'Latin once. I had kept about 800 pesos on my shirt pocket and other money in a hidden inside pocket in my pants. I met 2 girls who I bought drinks. They both wanted to dance. During dancing and rubbing bodies one of them got the balance of the 800 minus what I paid for the drinks. I was little buzzed anyway. We danced for a long time and sat down. They wanted another drink and lo and behold my pocket was empty. There was no way for me to accuse them because I did not catch them red handed. When the waitress came over I reached into my pant inside pocket and got the money. Both girls must have thought about my plan.

Later both of them got very friendly and I took both of them to my room and pounded them nicely making sure all my valuables were locked safe.

There is absolutely no point in accusing anybody or calling the police. You do not know what connections these local girls have and you do not want a knife on your back or locked up on fake charges.

I never carry a wallet in foreign countries. I spread the amount of local currency in different pockets.

Having said that I smacked two Chinese guys who put their hand in my pocket in Shenzhen China. They both ran away. They did not get any money but I got their tongs which they use to put in my pocket and grab.

But I would not smack any girl anywhere. It is better to loose some money rather than get into trouble in a foreign country.

[QUOTE=Sammon; 1532026]I was pick pocketed in D'Latin once. I had kept about 800 pesos on my shirt pocket and other money in a hidden inside pocket in my pants. I met 2 girls who I bought drinks. They both wanted to dance. During dancing and rubbing bodies one of them got the balance of the 800 minus what I paid for the drinks. I was little buzzed anyway. We danced for a long time and sat down. They wanted another drink and lo and behold my pocket was empty. There was no way for me to accuse them because I did not catch them red handed. When the waitress came over I reached into my pant inside pocket and got the money. Both girls must have thought about my plan.

Later both of them got very friendly and I took both of them to my room and pounded them nicely making sure all my valuables were locked safe.

There is absolutely no point in accusing anybody or calling the police. You do not know what connections these local girls have and you do not want a knife on your back or locked up on fake charges.

I never carry a wallet in foreign countries. I spread the amount of local currency in different pockets.

Having said that I smacked two Chinese guys who put their hand in my pocket in Shenzhen China. They both ran away. They did not get any money but I got their tongs which they use to put in my pocket and grab.

But I would not smack any girl anywhere. It is better to loose some money rather than get into trouble in a foreign country.[/QUOTE]These stories of pickpocketing in D'Latinos are becoming all to common I know it was attempted on me and I caught the girl red handed with her hand in my pocket so she didn't get anything.

So my original question still stands is Sosua becoming the new Boca Chica and Boca Chica becoming the new Sosua?

Chris

[QUOTE=Chris Long; 1531614]Is Sosua becoming the new Boca Chica and Boca Chica becoming the new Sosua.

Chris[/QUOTE]Chris,

I have been to both, but it's been a few years. My wingman and I are headed back in May to Sosua. I've read that Passions and CMP are closed; all the bars are now "glassed in'. Although I have purchased tickets to PP, I'm wondering if BC wouldn't be a better choice. It sounds like you have been to both BC and Sosua recently.

Thoughts?

[QUOTE=Sammon;1532026]I got their tongs[/QUOTE].

It takes a bold man to mess with the tongs in China!

[QUOTE=DRdave; 1532073]Chris,

I have been to both, but it's been a few years. My wingman and I are headed back in May to Sosua. I've read that Passions and CMP are closed; all the bars are now "glassed in'. Although I have purchased tickets to PP, I'm wondering if BC wouldn't be a better choice. It sounds like you have been to both BC and Sosua recently.

Thoughts?[/QUOTE]Yes I have been to both recently. Sosua is still good it's just not what it used to be, the closing of Passions and CMP the glassed in bars which really sucks in my opinion, the proportionality of hard core chicas and the rising trend of chicas pickpocketing you and trying to steal from your room is alarming. When I first started going to Sosua I would almost always meet a sweet little chica on my first or second day and end up having her stay with me in my hotel throughout the rest of my vacation. Now those connections never seem to be there with the chicas I meet and more and more I'm getting a rushed business like service from the chicas I'm meeting. Sosua is still good it sure as hell beats anywhere in the states it's just not as good as it used to be and things seem to be going in the wrong direction. Boca Chica may have had a troubled past and certainly is not paradise but is substantially better than what many would have you believe. Duarte and Pedro Clisante are very similar in many ways Piano bar and Rumba are similar in many ways and D'Latinos and El Batey are also similar in many ways. I was generally finding prices to be a little better in BC 1000p to 1500p compared to Sosua 1500p to 2000p and I was finding services to be generally more 'liberal' in BC. Both places have a lot of similarities However, Sosua seems to be sliding down the scale compared to what is used to be and BC seems to be improving from its poor reputation in the past. BC is overwhelmingly a destination for Italian tourist / mongers which to me is an advantage I like going to destinations that are VFA very few American and enjoy being the unusual or the unique. Sosua is awash with weekend warriors from America and often times I feel I'm just visiting the 51st state Sosua.

You bring up a very good question and one that I have been asking myself lately, do I want to return to Sosua or should I devote more of my time this year to BC. In 2013 I made 9 trips to Sosua this year I intend to devote far more time to Asia than Latin America but will still return to the DR. For me personally I will probably return to BC initially and my next few trips to the DR will be to BC but will eventually return to Sosua.

Chris

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1531985]Get her back to my spot. She ate and then gave me a decent pedicure (suppused to be a hairdresser ). This chica was going for the goal. Said she wanted a relationship with me blah blah blah. Said she would spend the night tomorrow night. LOL. The whole time I'm with this chick she is wreaking of cigarette smoke coming out of her lungs, she looks harder in the face now than the other night in Cabarete. Chick now claims she is 37 after I pointed out I didn't believe she was 30. For all I know, she could be in her 40's.

It didn't matter, I would only want to fuck her anyway.

Next night she comes over and this time I take her to Rockys. She orders the same meal she did from Baileys. I guess it's no escaping this chicas taste when somebody else is paying. Let her eat, we left. This chica was a deadfish in bed. We didn't even have sex. I wasnt interested. And kissing her was like kissing a room full of smokers. Moreover, after all of that makeup came off, she really did look rather hard in the face.

Next day, I just told her I can't deal with a woman who smokes. Chick responds by telling me she will quit, and that she really wants us to work. Of course, I know the real deal is, she sees her "meal" ticket slipping away before she got a chance to tap into it sufficiently. I never told her I wanted a relationship or was looking for one. She just assumed a dude would pursue her for one if she acted like that is what she was looking for.

My experience with her was chalked up to just having something different to do than hanging in Sosua.[/QUOTE]Why did you even go with her in the first place if you knew she smoked like a chimney? This chica sounds as disgusting as the Haitain chica who washed her snatch in my toilet!

Looking forward to coming back to Puerto Plata and Sosua July 4th. I really never post on this board, but I must tell you that I learn quite a bit from you season veterans (even though this will be my 5th time traveling to the area). Anyway, has anybody had a recent encounter with a very light skinned chica that used to work at BB's and frequent Sosua named Yohanna? I think Charles Pooter remembers her from around NYE 2009.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1532164]Why did you even go with her in the first place if you knew she smoked like a chimney? This chica sounds as disgusting as the Haitain chica who washed her snatch in my toilet![/QUOTE]I thought perhaps if the sex was good, I might be able to deal with the disgust.

[QUOTE=Daryll Musician;1532172]Looking forward to coming back to Puerto Plata and Sosua July 4th. I really never post on this board, but I must tell you that I learn quite a bit from you season veterans (even though this will be my 5th time traveling to the area). Anyway, has anybody had a recent encounter with a very light skinned chica that used to work at BB's and frequent Sosua named Yohanna? I think Charles Pooter remembers her from around NYE 2009.[/QUOTE]DM,

I recently was at BB and found out Yohanna doesn't work there anymore. Supposedly she opened a little shop of her own.

While at Sosua playa yesterday 2 guys I know were sharing theft by chica stories with each other. The older guy had a ring stolen. He came back to his spot with the chica, made drinks, took off his watch and 2 rings then went to shower. When he came back, one of the rings was gone. He got security. According to him, they made this chica empty her pocketbook, searched her hair, pussy and ass for this ring. I assume they did a thorough search, but couldn't find the ring. He assumed she could have swallowed the ring. He never got the ring back even though some local dom who knows the chica said he would help him get it back. That turned out to be a waste of time, and hope.

After sharing his story and admitting it was stupid for not securing his stuff, he indicated a technique that a typical thief will do. He said he learned about it in Cuba. The thief will not exactly walk out with something, but may hide it where they can retrieve it or have someone else come and get it.

For instance, a chica can be in your spot. Have something of yours she intends to steal. Find a window or balcony or some way to toss the item from there. Then later they can go to that spot to pick it up. Or arrange for someone to come and scoop the item up. Meanwhile they stay with you in your spot acting natural, because technically they don't have anything of yours on their person. Thats what kinda happened to the guy at Tradewinds who was robbed at gunpoint. The chica went to the bathroom and tossed the guys keys so the thieves could let themselves in.

But in the case of a petty theft, you end up looking ridiculous or unsure of yourself because you'll never find the stolen item on them / the chica. At that point you might be doubting yourself trying to figure out if it could have been a previous chica, staff at the hotel or that you lost it? Of course certain items may be easier to track when it 1st goes missing. But others might go unnoticed for awhile before one can claim it was stolen. Once it's gone, you got a problem. Even if you are sure it was there 5 minutes ago. You can say it was stolen all you want. But without proof, you might be SOL.

The other dude. He bumped into an ex novia out somewhere. She tried to pickpocket him, but busted her. Turns out, he found out she has been involved with a crew of chicas who pickpocket for a living. And she obviously was trying out her craft on him, but he caught her red handed trying to extract shit from his pocket. For her he would be an easy target to try, because he might let his guard down with her. And also, she might be able to play it off that she was only fooling around. Which is exactly what she said to throw him off to what she was doing.

I was up in D'Latins last night, and I swear I was a little concerned about it happening to me. I didn't have much cash, but I had a phone. So I kept my hands in my pockets on my phone the whole time. It wasnt even crowded. And yet people were starting to swarm the place. I was getting bumped into left and right. Pinched and squeezed on the regular. I can see how easy it may be to get got. It's a thieves paradise. No doubt when out and about, you have to find a way to secure your stuff so nobody can get to it. Even guys with zippered pants can get got.

Most men wear loose fitting pants, instead of skin tight pants. That can make it easy for any good thief to get in there and out in a crowd or where ever. Even outside of the club one can potentially get got. When I was outside D'Latins way before it got crowded inside, I was approached by an unnecessarily friendly young dom dude asking me "Where I'm from?" I wasnt taking any chances of someone else coming up behind me, so I quickly moved on, with him continuing to ask me "Where I'm from?"

Personally I have not put my self in these kind of situations in the DR I learned this shit as a drunk ass kid growing up. For the new guy's looking at going to the DR I have fucked as many women as my dick could handle and have not had to step inside a dance bar for any reason. For the men who are trying to decide between Boca Chica or Sosua I would pick Sosua they are way more ladies and for me the price's have been cheaper. The DR is for every man not just the party guy. No matter how you like it everything relating to having a woman your way is here. The best advice from me and others on this site is to interview the ladies before leaving with them and if you do not know Spanish at the very least she needs to have a good understanding of the price you are willing to pay her and for how long. Don't forget the time starts ticking as soon as the deal is made so waste no time getting down to business.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1532164]Why did you even go with her in the first place if you knew she smoked like a chimney? This chica sounds as disgusting as the Haitain chica who washed her snatch in my toilet![/QUOTE]This is not unusual in this part of the world. While in Nicaragua a stripper chica did the same thing. My guess water is often NA at homes so toilet bowl water must be utilized at the spur of the moment.

No big deal.

Thanks for all the great posts guys.

My biggest takeaways are to only bring enough cash for drinks (max $50US) and lock-up everything in your room while sober prior to going out.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1532249]I thought perhaps if the sex was good, I might be able to deal with the disgust.[/QUOTE]A friend of mine once went to perform oral sex on his novia and noticed that her pussy smelled of tobacco. She denied cheating. As one would. However she had a close female friend who smoked.

I tend to instinctively put my hands in my pockets in crowded situations, and so far I've avoided being pick pocketed.

Besides the usual overcharges I've only experienced theft twice in the DR. The first, a pair of streetwalkers in Santo Domingo latched on to me, and one tried to steal my wristwatch. Unfortunately for her, my inexpensive time piece only expands to a set size that doesn't slip easily over my big hands. Despite the brazen attempt one still tried to get me to take her back to my hotel room. Yeah, like I'd trust you in my room after you just tried to rob me.

A thief did manage to steal the charger for my electric razor from my backpack while taking the Caribe Tours bus to Sosua. As the two were connected that means they left the more expensive razor behind. What a moron. I've got 3 other compatible chargers back in the States, so no big loss, but still sucks that I can't shave or find a replacement charger in Sosua.

They are no reason for me to down play the potential for one to be stolen from in the DR it happens every second of the day and night somewhere in the country but if I look at the dangers that I have personally noticed it no where near match's some of the other parts of the world I have visited. Since the beginning of time they have been prostitutes and thieves they go hand in hand.

[QUOTE=Talon; 1532517]I tend to instinctively put my hands in my pockets in crowded situations, and so far I've avoided being pick pocketed.

Besides the usual overcharges I've only experienced theft twice in the DR. The first, a pair of streetwalkers in Santo Domingo latched on to me, and one tried to steal my wristwatch. Unfortunately for her, my inexpensive time piece only expands to a set size that doesn't slip easily over my big hands. Despite the brazen attempt one still tried to get me to take her back to my hotel room. Yeah, like I'd trust you in my room after you just tried to rob me.

A thief did manage to steal the charger for my electric razor from my backpack while taking the Caribe Tours bus to Sosua. As the two were connected that means they left the more expensive razor behind. What a moron. I've got 3 other compatible chargers back in the States, so no big loss, but still sucks that I can't shave or find a replacement charger in Sosua.[/QUOTE]How did they steal your charger? Did you get up to use the bathroom?

I am considering resting up a night or two, so I can go to D'Latins and pick out one of those sexy's. Friday night there were a lot of sexy women up in there. Chicas that probably never stepped foot in Rumbas, prior to going to DL. I'm sure most nights a bunch of sexy talent rolls of in there. Question though. Are guys finding that the most attractive chicas in D'Latins are consistently asking for 3000 and above even for ST?

I was approached by a Haitian chica close to Rumba, and later saw her at D'Latins. From a distance, her makeup, hair do, red dress and heels, she looked attractive. Up close she was still doable, but not for 3000 which she quoted me for ST, and 4000 for TLN.

I would figure a chica in D'Latins could get at least 2, 000 & up for ST if she is really attractive? But 3000? Usually I would tell a chica what I will pay her for ST if I want them. Let them take it or leave. But if I'm not really interested but just curious to what they were expecting I'll ask just to see what they were expecting. This Haitian chica was tracking me, because I saw how she moved to get next to me when I was near Rumba, and was right on top of me the moment I stepped out of D'Latins. Later she approached me again (I left the area and came back) in order to negotiate since I didn't take her after her 3000/4000 price.

I could assume, because I asked her for her price, that that is the reason for her coming up with 3000/4000. But I'm wondering if that is what many of the 7, 8 9's up in D'Latins are expecting as well?

The girls always start by asking for the moon. Sometimes newbies pony up. 3000 pesos is 2 weeks salary for most working girls in the DR. I met Haile Barry at Rumbas asking for 3k and she was firm. I saw her 3 hours later begging for 1k. There is always way more women then guys buying. Most girls go home with no sales so they are motivated.

QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1532755]I am considering resting up a night or two, so I can go to D'Latins and pick out one of those sexy's. Friday night there were a lot of sexy women up in there. Chicas that probably never stepped foot in Rumbas, prior to going to DL. I'm sure most nights a bunch of sexy talent rolls of in there. Question though. Are guys finding that the most attractive chicas in D'Latins are consistently asking for 3000 and above even for ST?

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1532755]I am considering resting up a night or two, so I can go to D'Latins and pick out one of those sexy's. Friday night there were a lot of sexy women up in there. Chicas that probably never stepped foot in Rumbas, prior to going to DL. I'm sure most nights a bunch of sexy talent rolls of in there. Question though. Are guys finding that the most attractive chicas in D'Latins are consistently asking for 3000 and above even for ST?

I was approached by a Haitian chica close to Rumba, and later saw her at D'Latins. From a distance, her makeup, hair do, red dress and heels, she looked attractive. Up close she was still doable, but not for 3000 which she quoted me for ST, and 4000 for TLN.

I would figure a chica in D'Latins could get at least 2, 000 & up for ST if she is really attractive? But 3000? Usually I would tell a chica what I will pay her for ST if I want them. Let them take it or leave. But if I'm not really interested but just curious to what they were expecting I'll ask just to see what they were expecting. This Haitian chica was tracking me, because I saw how she moved to get next to me when I was near Rumba, and was right on top of me the moment I stepped out of D'Latins. Later she approached me again (I left the area and came back) in order to negotiate since I didn't take her after her 3000/4000 price.

I could assume, because I asked her for her price, that that is the reason for her coming up with 3000/4000. But I'm wondering if that is what many of the 7, 8 9's up in D'Latins are expecting as well?[/QUOTE]Just be careful bro. If you run into one quoting that high of a price, then goes down to 1500 or 2000, take her ass to the cabana. Too many stories here about chicas dropping the price just to get you to take them, then once in your hotel room they jack the price up again and threaten to call the police if you don't agree to pay it.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1532755]I was approached by a Haitian chica close to Rumba, and later saw her at D'Latins. From a distance, her makeup, hair do, red dress and heels, she looked attractive. Up close she was still doable, but not for 3000 which she quoted me for ST, and 4000 for TLN.[/QUOTE]Interesting. Back in my day, dudes were giving Haitians about a third of of Dominicans got.

Guys, thanks for keeping me up to date on the pick pockets, covered BJs, street scams, etc. I'd like to work a Sosua trip in this year, in between my travels to other destinations around the globe, so its good to know what folks are experiencing, even if it is a general decline in the environment. As a side note, there have always been pickpockets in Sosua, but maybe the problem has gotten worse?

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1531459]Stayed at the victorian house. Pretty nice hotel for $65. My boy had a jr suite and he found a mouse in his room. I saw the biggest roach in the hallway in front of my room. I kicked it and it layed in the hallway for two days before the maids took it I assume LOL.[/QUOTE]I noticed the big roaches when the Sosua Bay side was open also so this is nothing new, although I haven't seen them on the Victoria side when I've stayed there. Perhaps people are so used to it, they don't see it as an issue or eyesore? As far as mice in the rooms, I would find this bothersome. I realize this is the 3rd world, but some extermination and general maintenance would go a long way. I guess if you are there long enough, you might get used to these conditions? I certainly love the view, but not with rodents in my room.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1532755]I am considering resting up a night or two, so I can go to D'Latins and pick out one of those sexy's. Friday night there were a lot of sexy women up in there. Chicas that probably never stepped foot in Rumbas, prior to going to DL. I'm sure most nights a bunch of sexy talent rolls of in there. Question though. Are guys finding that the most attractive chicas in D'Latins are consistently asking for 3000 and above even for ST?

I was approached by a Haitian chica close to Rumba, and later saw, her at D'Latins. From a distance, her makeup, hair do, red dress and heels, she looked attractive. Up close she was still doable, but not for 3000 which she quoted me for ST, and 4000 for TLN.[/QUOTE]

D'Latinos gets busy around 11:00 p.m. and there are plenty of chicas available.

I have had two chicas recently from D'Latinos around 11:00 p.m., both young and very attractive IMHO, who agreed without any bargaining to 1500 pesos to do the deed. In fact I awarded a 500 pesos superior performance bonus to both, bring the cost up to 2000 pesos each, but they initially agreed to 1500 pesos.

I just approach them, chat and flirt with them a bit, ask them to step outside to chat, offer them 1500 pesos for a "rato" and they can take it or leave it. They just say yes, OK. No one ever mentions 3000 or 4000 to me, or perhaps I am just not listening. If they did, I would clutch my chest and fall to the floor. After receiving CPR I would just interview another candidate to assume the position.

[QUOTE=Grub1;1532624]They are no reason for me to down play the potential for one to be stolen from in the DR it happens every second of the day and night somewhere in the country but if I look at the dangers that I have personally noticed it no where near match's some of the other parts of the world I have visited. Since the beginning of time they have been prostitutes and thieves they go hand in hand.[/QUOTE]You can say that again! In Down And Out In London And Paris, George Orwell recounts how in the 1920's while working as a dishwasher in Paris, he was robbed by his male room mate, who disappeared with every penny he owned, leaving him literally starving. However the reality actually was that it was a young female prostitute he had romanced and befriended who disappeared with his cash.

Orwell also wrote this poem in Burma:

When I was young and had no sense.

In far-off Mandalay.

I lost my heart to a Burmese girl.

As lovely as the day.

Her skin was gold, her hair was jet,

Her teeth were ivory;

I said,"for twenty silver pieces,

Maiden, sleep with me".

She looked at me, so pure, so sad,

The loveliest thing alive,

And in her lisping, virgin voice,

Stood out for twenty-five.

[QUOTE=Chris Long; 1531614]Is Sosua becoming the new Boca Chica and Boca Chica becoming the new Sosua.

Chris[/QUOTE]Hmmm Boca Chica had its hay day in the early 2000s and before I was told. Sosua is on the decline buts has a lot of gas in its tank. Before BC can regain its reign I think it needs the following:

1. More chicas who speak English. Alot of the chicas that come for work and don't live in BC comes from Andres, SD, and San Pedro. These chicas don't speak much English or none at all. Hence the need for a lot of Touts. Even some of my boys use Touts. I don't understand why. I learned my second trip I can use a calculator to make a deal on how much pesos I want to offer and the chica can used to same to counter. Using a Touts is a sign of a sucker as I later learned.

2. B. C. Needs more hotels but I guess that will come with supply and demand. Their are a lot of close down hotels due to a lack of business.

3. B. C needs more clubs catered to tourist. The Batey (the only club now left open after 2:30am) plays about 2 hip hop songs per hour, no country, no pop, no rock, or techno- they seem to be stuck on 50 cent. Its no live DJ. There club is basically for the local crowd and they have a lot of gays nights were the gays take over the dance floor.

4. B. C. Has more Touts than tourist. 6 guys in the middle of the street trying to tell you were to park. Its so unnecessary.

5. Police in B. C. Need to be controlled. If you give money to a street cop they will label your car and stop you almost every time for more. I don't even like talking to street cops except Rambo the Tourist Officer.

But on a good note B. C. Is cheaper, easier, and safer to get to and from the airport. B. C. Does have EL Capital within 20 minutes. More things to do there as far as sight seeing. If more tourist start coming to B. C. More chicas will come from the surrounding cities. I made a wrong call on the GFE in BC. It is better there than Sosua. A lot of B. C. Ladies with stay with you as long as you like giving you the GFE. Its not enough business hurry to go get back in line for the next dude. They are more likely to stay with you as long and you like them and course you are paying.

I would love to see B. C. Make a fight for its crown back. Sosua has the crown and the attitudes of the chicas reflected it, I say thereby leading to a decline of appreciation of business. It shouldn't surprise knowing the business smarts of a lot of the chicas.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1532755]I am considering resting up a night or two, so I can go to D'Latins and pick out one of those sexy's. Friday night there were a lot of sexy women up in there. Chicas that probably never stepped foot in Rumbas, prior to going to DL. I'm sure most nights a bunch of sexy talent rolls of in there. Question though. Are guys finding that the most attractive chicas in D'Latins are consistently asking for 3000 and above even for ST?

I was approached by a Haitian chica close to Rumba, and later saw her at D'Latins. From a distance, her makeup, hair do, red dress and heels, she looked attractive. Up close she was still doable, but not for 3000 which she quoted me for ST, and 4000 for TLN.

I would figure a chica in D'Latins could get at least 2, 000 & up for ST if she is really attractive? But 3000? Usually I would tell a chica what I will pay her for ST if I want them. Let them take it or leave. But if I'm not really interested but just curious to what they were expecting I'll ask just to see what they were expecting. This Haitian chica was tracking me, because I saw how she moved to get next to me when I was near Rumba, and was right on top of me the moment I stepped out of D'Latins. Later she approached me again (I left the area and came back) in order to negotiate since I didn't take her after her 3000/4000 price.

I could assume, because I asked her for her price, that that is the reason for her coming up with 3000/4000. But I'm wondering if that is what many of the 7, 8 9's up in D'Latins are expecting as well?[/QUOTE]If a chicas is dress to impress hair, make-up, clothes, shoe etc. She is looking and hoping- her high price looks- reflects a high price hook. I rarely approach these females first- to do this gives them the upper hand and a sometimes inflated price. If I have to have her I may just walk up say "mi gusta su estilo" and walk off as if I am done with her. If she comes back I will give her the ""te ves bien, pero usted es demasiado caro para mí" Then I will tell her the price range I am looking for deflated in a little. Quite honestly she paid extra for the weave, outfit, and nails so it understandable. But its game against game.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1532914]If a chicas is dress to impress hair, make-up, clothes, shoe etc. She is looking and hoping- her high price looks- reflects a high price hook. I rarely approach these females first- to do this gives them the upper hand and a sometimes inflated price. If I have to have her I may just walk up say "mi gusta su estilo" and walk off as if I am done with her. If she comes back I will give her the ""te ves bien, pero usted es demasiado caro para mí" Then I will tell her the price range I am looking for deflated in a little. Quite honestly she paid extra for the weave, outfit, and nails so it understandable. But its game against game.[/QUOTE]Grown Man I like the way Frannie goes about it. Chat with whomever is your cup of tea that you would like to go with and make them a reasonable "take it or leave it offer:". If they don't accept " su oferta" move on to the next one.

Introduction:

I have recently returned from spending time in the Dominican Republic. I spent 2 days in Sosua. 5 days in Santo Domingo and I returned to Sosua and spent another 5 days. I wasn't going to write another synopsis on Sosua since it has been covered at nauseam but I changed my mind because I have some thoughts I'd like to share and I wanted to present a current update for all who were interested. Some of the information contained in this synopsis is well known to veteran mongers but new information to others, my objective is to be as informative as possible to all who are interested. Below I have listed my notes for your review:

Lodging:

The Victorian House

The Victorian House is the old Sosua Bay Hotel and it is absolutely beautiful. The view of the bay is OUTSTANDING! During the day you can see the boats floating on the crystal blue water and after dark the lights that surround the beach reflect the deep blue water that flows seamlessly into the midnight sky. I have an hotel room with a balcony view of the Sosua Bay and a king size bed with good WIFI signal and a spacious room with a refrigerator and safe. The bottom line is this is the spot! This is an excellent place to chill bring different chicas or wife up as it provides the ambiance that should impress any chica. If your chica doesn't like this spot she needs to go somewhere and sit down!

La Comida:

Bourbon Street Restaurant.

The Victorian House restaurant is called Bourbon Street Restaurant. It is open from 7am to 11pm at night and the food is excellent. I do notknow which is better the view of Sosua Bay the laid back ambiance with jazz playing in the background or the signature Cajun food from New Orleans. Each individual will have to decide for themselves.

• Breakfast:

I had eggs bacon and pancakes which were good the typical American breakfast. I believe I paid 350DOP.

• Lunch:

I had chicken and waffles it put me in the mind of Gladys Chicken and Waffles in Atlanta. The waffle was good and the wings were small but tasty. I believe I paid 550DOP.

• Dinner:

Salmon dinner was absolutely incredible! The grilled salmon was supposed to be covered in shrimp but since I am allergic to shrimp I substituted a pepper and onion semi-sweet sauce that was absolutely incredible. The sides I enjoyed were mashed potatoes and broccoli which both had a soft butter flavor. I believe I paid 750DOP.

*Some would say that the food is on the expensive side and others would say you get what you pay for.

Dinero:

Wells Fargo US: 37DOP-1US.

POP Airport :36DOP-1US.

Western Union Sosua 42. 95DOP. 1US

Casas de Citas:

Passions- Pedro Clisante, Sosua: Passions is still closed.

CMP- Pedro Clisante, Sosua: Caribbean Man's Parades is still closed.

Calle Pedro Clisante:

The below listed information is for people who are unfamiliar with Sosua. Calle Pedro Clisante has a block where some of the major action occurs in Sosua at night. I walked Pedro Clisante east from el centro to just the other side of Passions and took note of the below listed establishments:

• Mama Iguana Cafe.

It's a laid back spot which sets off the street and you could miss it by walking if you're not paying attention because it is snuggled in between other bars and restaurants. It has dim lighting that makes it a good spot to spend time with a chica for drinks or interviewing. I didn't get the impression this was a singles spot more of a chill spot with a lady. There is generally security at the door and the bar and wait staff was flush with eye candy.

• Winners Circle.

Is totally enclosed venue that is almost always empty despite its prime real estate location. Is a sports bar that is totally enclosed with transparent glass on the outside. The bar is a place to drink meet and listen to music but it is not very large it also can serve as a good place to interview or chill with a chica or your friends. There is staff that stands outside trying to get traffic to come inside. I literally do not know how this place can afford to stay open.

• Merengue. Classicos.

Merengue is the downstairs bar next to Classicos which is totally enclosed upstairs on the second floor. Classicos was closed at the time of this report. Merengue has a circular bar with chairs that surround it and chairs and tables along the outer perimeter of the bar. Since there is no music it is an excellent place to conduct interviews because you don't have to contend with excessive noise. In addition there were a few chicas in the spot who did not wanted to be bothered with D' Latins or Rumbas.

• The Spot.

Is a sports bar type venue that is totally enclosed with transparent glass on the outside. The bar is a place to drink meet and listen to music but it is not very large it also can serve as a good place to interview or chill with a chica or your friends if the music is

• Bar Central

Is Haitian Headquarters and chocolate city, it is the bar that most Hatianas hang at. The bar is has a open front and is not really a place where people listen to music and dance but it more like a meeting place.

• D Latin's

The current primary night tourist bar for Sosua. It gets so crowded around 1 am that you cannot move with ease. If the venue had to meet US fire code standards it would be shut down as a fire hazard during busy time. If there was ever a fire or large disturbance and you were in the wrong location of the club you would be stuck. I recommend staying close to the doors. It was formally and open air bar with a very small dance floor. Now D' Latin's has tinted glass all around and 2 front doors that serve as entrances and exits. There are ceiling fans and large fans near the 2 doors that help to circulate the outside air in. As long as you stay in the path of the fans you can stay comfortable. The music is a mix between American and local. There is an enclosed VIP behind the old VIP that has its own bar and seating, it was not in use during my trip.

• Rumba's

The primary afternoon and early evening tourist bar for Sosua. Sometimes it gets so crowded that there is very little space for movement. The venue has a open air sports bar feel with multiple flat screen TV's. The is a small dance floor next to the DJ booth. The music is a mix between American and local.

• El Flow

The primary local bar on Pedro Clisante. There is a bar backroom and tables. The venue has been closed in and has transparent glass on the outside. The music is local a mix between bachata, merengue and salsa.

• Bermuda Bar &Cigar Shop.

Is an open air bar on that has activity almost any time of day however the chica clientele is generally of low caliber. I personally have never seen a chica there I would be attracted to.

• Chez Mon Resturant & Sports Bar.

Is a nice bar and restaurant that stays busy not packed but there is sufficient traffic to make it a stop. It has a sports bar feel with TV's and an upstairs and downstairs. It is a good spot to hang with your friends or take a date. The food is decent and occasionally the chicas will pass through inside the venue and can always be seen from the corner.

• City Nights Disco Bar.

Is now open and looks good inside with a great ambiance and a giant screen TV on the back wall. There were very few people when I was there.

• Lyndas Resturant & Sports Bar.

Is an outdoor venue I don't recall seeing any TV's do I don't know why it's called a sports bar. I saw 3 chicas chilling just talking and no men in the place.

• CuCu Bar.

Is an open air venue under a straw hut. It has a bar and a couple of pool tables, I saw a bunch of hombres just chilling and talking.

• Four Roses.

Is a small open air venue which had the vibe of a local bar with hombres chilling with no stress.

• El Patio Restaurant.

Is a small open air venue and I really like this spot I only saw 2 chicas there but they were playing jazz and it had a nice laid back vibe especially since the evening I walked by it was a cool 70 degrees outside.

• Europa Hotel & Bar.

Is the open air venue that is a part of the Europa and it faces the hotel hidden from the street. It was laid back venue in the past I have seen women in front of this spot but on this occasion it was empty.

• Samba.

I am not certain but I believe this is the venue that was connected to Passions. The staff was very beautiful with mostly 7's and a couple of 8's. There was a lot of activity there with a handful of men being entertained by the staff.

• Rancho Tipco.

Rancho Tipico is a restaurant and bar that is just past the closed Passions on Pedro Clisante. Rancho Tipco for me was the hidden gem of Pedro Clisante. I thoroughly enjoyed the service and the staff. First La Hefe walks up in a black dress and greets me. She was about 5'8" 150 dark complexioned and very attractive. Then a German guy greeted me I suppose he was the owner. The waitresses were very friendly forcing us to bachata with them which was absolute torture. They danced together and truly enjoyed their job. I had fish, grilled potatoes and vegetables for 350DOP it was absolutely delicious. It was worth the walk to the other end of Pedro Clisante.

For night owls in Sosua:

Night owls have 3 major venues they can attend after 3am. You are likely to see some of the same people you have seen on the strip.

• After One.

Should be called After 3 because it doesn't open until 3 am. It is located in the same building as the Sosua Bay Casino. There is a 100 peso cover by some of the same security that you see in D Latin's. The music is a mix of techno, local and American. The venue has 2 bars. 2 dance floors and 2 balconies.

• Carpirina.

Is an outdoor venue with a bar and tables and chairs on the lawn outside. It is on a side street off Aliejo Martinez.

• Copacabana (Chelo)

Is an outdoor venue with a bar and tables and chairs on the lawn outside. It is on a side street off Aliejo Martinez after you pass Carpirina.

Closing Observations:

The internet is a viable tool to use in the search for chicas but totally unnecessary. The advantage to the internet is it allows you to get pre-acquainted and establish a connection before you hit the ground but despite all my telephone numbers and whatssapp conversations I am averaging 1 internet meeting out of a dozen internet contacts in my last few trips.

I continue to find women who are worthy of my respect in the Dominican Republic, I have listed a brief synopsis of my experiences below:

• I had a chica from Puerto Plata who is attempting to wait for marriage before having sex.

• I flirted with a Sosua chica for 2 days and we finally shared numbers. She came to my hotel room and we talked for over 30 minutes. After making our connection I offered 1500DOP for ST and she smiled at me and said she wanted to get to know me better before we had sex. WTF. I thought I was back in the USA for a minute.

• Then there was "Wifey" who turned down the opportunity to make extra pesos with another monger as well as trying to give me back my money in an attempt to show she was for real. How many Sosua chicas do you know that will try to give you back your money? Even if the gesture was symbolic she did what very few chicas will do. Then she gets a waitress job where she makes in 2 weeks what she could make in 1 night with less work. Who does that?

I am increasingly inclined to the wife up option because sampling random chicas while fun, exciting and challenging can be disappointing especially if "Wifey" is putting it down, I'd like to share this quote:

"Spending the majority of a vacation with one isn't necessarily a bad thing. If you find something that's working for you, why change it? . Having fun, laughter, and a great time with a great chica is the main course. Sex is merely the dessert". Irie circa 2014.

I had a "Wifey" this trip that was one of my top 3 sexual experiences in life. It is rare for me to connect on that level with a woman. Obviously the wife up option comes with challenges one problem with the wife up option is the potential for catching feelings and the subsequent jealousy that follows. We can call next as often as like but the risk is that the next may not be able to satisfy like the former. Therefore, there is no perfect paradigm for this thing of ours and as always YMMV.

My trip was right after the Superbowl and it was reported that some chicas were asking for $150-$200. 00 for ST and getting it because of all the men that were in town. There appears to be a loosely organized puta cartel that agrees only to go for specific prices based on their tier system and how they perceive themselves to valued. It does not appear to be as organized as the Colombianas who ply their trade in Panama City, Panama and San Jose, Costa Rica but it exist. Our response should be keeping prices on point by not transcending our price points of 1000-2000DOP for ST and 1500-3000DOP for TLN.

The market value of toto always rings true. At Disney World theme park a hot dog might cost $10. 00 but outside the park in Orlando the same hot dog might cost $2. 00. Likewise I saw a Sosua chica who goes for1500-2000DOP for ST in a casa in Santo Domingo going for 4000DOP for the same amount of time. Sometimes what we pay has much to do with geography and exactly where we are.

I noticed none of the doom and gloom that Cuba Dave spoke of at the airport or on the ground in Sosua. I went smoothly through the airport and while I was on the ground in Sousa it was business as usual all that is needed is basic Spanish and knowledge of what you should pay and what to look out for.

Other than the about of jealousy I had with "Wifey" I had no real problems with chicas on this trip. I attribute that to spending time with regulars and the new chicas I explored with were observed for an extended period of time and were vetted before we spent time together. I know not to make a habit of leaving money laying around my room unsecured but I got side tracked only to find everything in place. Of course I will not take that situation for granted I only mention it to make the point that some of the adversity we face with chicas is the result of our choices and our personnel negligence to detail.

Conclusion:

I had a great trip and I learned much about Santo Domingo and sharpened my skills in Sosua. My next trip will be a Sosua-Santiago excursion March 12th- 21st.

[QUOTE=Camaro1257;1532945]The market value of toto always rings true. At Disney World theme park a hot dog might cost $10. 00 but outside the park in Orlando the same hot dog might cost $2. 00. Likewise I saw a Sosua chica who goes for1500-2000DOP for ST in a casa in Santo Domingo going for 4000DOP for the same amount of time. Sometimes what we pay has much to do with geography and exactly where we are.[/QUOTE]Excellent report. I also agree that Rancho Tipico is a decent place with decent food.

But the chica you mentioned above is probably getting the same amount of money out of it in both places. To be more precise the difference in price has to do with how much money someone else is taking for pimping her. In Sosua the women are mainly freelance except at the now defunct brothels of Passions and CMP. In Santo Domingo the casa is taking a cut and the casa is also paying commissions to taxi drivers to bring people in.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1532952]Excellent report. I also agree that Rancho Tipico is a decent place with decent food.

But the chica you mentioned above is probably getting the same amount of money out of it in both places. To be more precise the difference in price has to do with how much money someone else is taking for pimping her. In Sosua the women are mainly freelance except at the now defunct brothels of Passions and CMP. In Santo Domingo the casa is taking a cut and the casa is also paying commissions to taxi drivers to bring people in.[/QUOTE]I agree, I just thought it was ironic I saw her in Sosua 2 days prior to Santo Domingo. She just looked at me and smiled.

[QUOTE=Camaro1257; 1532945]Conclusion:

I had a great trip and I learned much about Santo Domingo and sharpened my skills in Sosua. My next trip will be a Sosua-Santiago excursion March 12th- 21st.[/QUOTE]Excellent report!

Thanks for taking the time to write a detailed report!

Been here two weeks now and have one to go. Since being here back in December I wanted to get a better feel for the Sosua area as a place to spend perhaps weeks / months at a time as I am in a position to pull the plug on working at anytime. My daily routine is to spend time at the beach and either go kayaking, body surfing, or open ocean swimming. I've been kayaking in both Sosua and Cabarette and body surfing at Playa Encuentro which is actually the DR's premier surfing spot. Playa Encuentro is like being in Huntington Beach, CA with surf camps / schools, board rentals, etc. And is a pretty good break if your into surfing.

Since being here I have been with 3 Haitians and 3 Dominicans from the Strip, and four Dominican Dating Site Girls. Of the six girls I pulled from the Strip for short time I was disappointed with four of them.

I also found some of the girls I talked with on the Strip to have an arrogant and snotty ass attitude at times. I started the interview process with one little spinner on the Strip and she took her cell phone out and typed in the number 200. She wasn't into talking much and assumed that I didn't speak any Spanish at all. When I read the number she typed in I asked if her if 200 Pesos was all she wanted and she gave me a very dirty look, then looked at her phone and immediately re-typed in the number 2,000. I then told her I had just eaten, was full and perhaps later. She then got very angry. No diplomacy skills at all, which is something I have observed with a lot of these girls on this trip. Yesterday I was getting ready to add credit to my cell phone at one of the kiosks in a store on the Strip and two girls walk up and one asks me if I would step aside and let her go ahead of me. She thought she was the hottest thing since sliced bread with her designer sunglasses, etc. I told that she was going to wait her turn. This one was arrogant as hell, which is another thing I've noticed with a lot of the girls on the Strip.

I found a great Italian restaurant named Bologna on Calle Alejo Martinez # 33 that I took one my Dominican Cupid (DC) girlfriends to on Valentines Day. While having dinner I noticed a couple of women mongers with their Dominican stud boyfriends in tow. I wonder if there is website for women mongers. There probably is one and I bet it would be a gaggle to read the posts just like on this Site.

I have a buddy coming in tomorrow who has never been here before who will be spending a week here before we return to California together. We are Tijuana regulars just about every weekend and I have told him it's a totally different scene here. In Tijuana you have cops trying to shake you down and lots of the women have tattoos and screwed up teeth. His problem like mine at times will be trying to choose from the herds of attractive women available. This place is like being in an Ice Cream Shop. Tonight I'm having one of my DC girlfriends come over for the night. She is a horny divorcee, a fuller woman but not fat. In anticipation of this tonight, my flavor from the Strip last night was a petite small spinner that had the smallest little ass. Some days it's been chocolate, other days strawberry, or just plain old vanilla!

Last week when I had the horny divorcee over, the day afterwards I received a message on my phone from a man who said he was the husband and sounded threatening. I sent the divorcee a message about this and asked for an explanation. She told me it was her ex-husband who had taken her phone while visiting their son, was jealous, etc. She got a new phone. I'm being careful with this one but enjoy her company, nothing like a 28 year old horny divorce.

A couple of days ago I was in Puerto Plata at the large Supermarket I think it's La Siena by the Malecon and there were some pretty girls in there. There was one pretty skinny one in the cosmetic section who wasn't wearing a bra and had perky little boobs that were popping out of her blouse. I wanted to say hello but had one of my DC girlfriends in tow. Another good spot with lots of Chicas coming and going is the Taxi stand tor Puerto Plata on the main highway in Sosua. I met one dinky little thing there one day but the timing was off and she didn't have a cell phone so I had to pass. This spot is also the dropping off point for all the Chicas coming in from Puerto Plata and Santiago to work in Sosua. I plan on spending more time at this spot in the future as there are a lot of civilians coming and going who might be open to meeting someone.

To prepare for my next visit here I plan on working on my Spanish which I cannot emphasize enough to anyone who comes here on a regular basis. I also plan on developing some more DC relationships. I'm becoming less enamored with the Chicas on the Strip. I've also gotten to know some of the locals who live here and their observations about the girls on the Strip has been somewhat of a turning of the tide over the last few years. I hope this place doesn't turn into something like San Jose, CR.

[QUOTE=Camaro1257;1532945]I flirted with a Sosua chica for 2 days and we finally shared numbers. She came to my hotel room and we talked for over 30 minutes. After making our connection I offered 1500DOP for ST and she smiled at me and said she wanted to get to know me better before we had sex. WTF. I thought I was back in the USA for a minute.[/QUOTE]May I make a suggestion? Given that you are going for the "non-pro" population, I would venture that offering money as some might to a pro at the outset, is a non-starter (I did not discuss money even with the pros in Sosua). It may miff the other person by being equated with the pros! Under such circumstances, if I were you, I would continue to woo and get the deed done and only prior to leaving, would stick in some money, almost as an afterthought of appreciation. In my experience, it works, in saving face and obviously in sorting out any expectation. Of course, I have had situations in which nothing absolutely happened as women do balk at times but I never opened any discussion of money and we parted after a meal together. The next time, it was a sure hit!

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1533682]May I make a suggestion? Given that you are going for the "non-pro" population, I would venture that offering money as some might to a pro at the outset, is a non-starter (I did not discuss money even with the pros in Sosua). It may miff the other person by being equated with the pros! Under such circumstances, if I were you, I would continue to woo and get the deed done and only prior to leaving, would stick in some money, almost as an afterthought of appreciation. In my experience, it works, in saving face and obviously in sorting out any expectation. Of course, I have had situations in which nothing absolutely happened as women do balk at times but I never opened any discussion of money and we parted after a meal together. The next time, it was a sure hit![/QUOTE]Thanks for your comment.

I assumed the chica in question was PFP because I saw her both in Rumba's and D' Latin. If I suspect a chica is PFP unless we have history together I generally discuss money first in order to avoid confusion later. I like discussing money because her response lets me know where her head is for example if she counters with some unreasonable figure I can show her my invisible man routine. The chica in question and I had a good vibe and she didn't act as if she was offended after I offered the money, in fact she wanted to spend more time together. I considered her response as an anomaly the exception to the rule so to speak. Honestly I enjoyed the interaction because her response let me know that "todas las mujeres en Sosua no son cueros!" In fact I met some pretty cool chicas this trip that was refreshing to experience something different from what others have been reporting.

I agree with your approach in not talking money with civilian chicas in fact I have the same MO as you.

[QUOTE=Camaro1257;1533713]I assumed the chica in question was PFP because I saw her both in Rumba's and D' Latin.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I thought it was a regular chica. Obviously therefore what you did makes sense. My two occasions in Sosua, I did not discuss money even with pros a) because I just got the phone numbers and called the women in the afternoon thereafter which is downtime for them and b) I offered what was the market price and the women never had a problem but I understand your modus operandi!

Enjoy the DR.

I assume every women I see is for sale. You can get some very good deals for afternoon delight. Most ladies look at this as bonus time. Not talking money can lead to some major blow ups. I had a wing man set me up on a blind date. The lady was 6 ' tall and curvy. Went spent $100 bucks on dinner and wine. My guy thinks these are classy ladies. After some small talk I discover my girl wants 6k pesos. You have to be very careful with these girls.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto; 1533861]Sorry, I thought it was a regular chica. Obviously therefore what you did makes sense. My two occasions in Sosua, I did not discuss money even with pros a) because I just got the phone numbers and called the women in the afternoon thereafter which is downtime for them and be) I offered what was the market price and the women never had a problem but I understand your modus operandi!

Enjoy the DR.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool; 1533875]I assume every women I see is for sale.

Not talking money can lead to some major blow ups[/QUOTE]Yes, in Sosua, that would be axiomatic.

I understand the potential risk of not talking money but the two times I have been to Sosua looking for women, Frannie set me up with the first one, the very first time. A nice Haitian and then I instinctively steer away from the hardcore (as in speaking English or in groups) and so it has never been an issue. Speaking of 2011. The single ones I have often found to be demure and sweet. Even those at classicos. Keep my fingers crossed!

What about camareras, hairdressers and service personnel?
I'm sure that many of those don't mind some extra income, but isn't ''everything'' is a bit of overstatement?

[QUOTE=OldKool;1533875]I assume every women I see is for sale. You can get some very good deals for afternoon delight. Most ladies look at this as bonus time. Not talking money can lead to some major blow ups. I had a wing man set me up on a blind date. The lady was 6 ' tall and curvy. Went spent $100 bucks on dinner and wine. My guy thinks these are classy ladies. After some small talk I discover my girl wants 6k pesos. You have to be very careful with these girls.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bliadun; 1533972]What about camareras, hairdressers and service personnel?

I'm sure that many of those don't mind some extra income, but isn't 'everything' is a bit of overstatement?[/QUOTE]Not really an understatement at all. You are still paying for sex in one way or another, so P4P still applies. I don't expect someone to fuck my hairy old ugly fat ass for free, thus, I do not mind paying the market price.

I'm just not quite sure if non putas should be approached / treated as putas.

If you see a cute camarera you just ask her how much?

Could this cause some trouble with her or her boyfriend slapping your face or a knife between your ribs in case her boyfriend is drunk/crazy?

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1533985]Not really an understatement at all. You are still paying for sex in one way or another, so P4P still applies. I don't expect someone to fuck my hairy old ugly fat ass for free, thus, I do not mind paying the market price.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1533282]Since being here I have been with 3 Haitians and 3 Dominicans from the Strip, and four Dominican Dating Site Girls. Of the six girls I pulled from the Strip for short time I was disappointed with four of them.[/QUOTE]Surfer, what would you say is the furthest some of your internet dating site chicas have come from (Puerto Plata, Santiago, La Vega? Santo Domingo, etc.)?

Were some of them hesitant about coming to meet you in Sosua (because of Sosua's reputation as a puta town)?

Update on the La Vega chica I met on 2/10 in Santiago. Picked the chica up in PP (2/15) at the Caribe Tours station. Chica once again was looking very sexy. We get back to my spot. Within 30 minutes or so, she's straddling me on the couch. Ready to get busy. The sex was good, and she has a nice body, but the chica leched like she hadn't had sex in months. Came within a few minutes and couldn't continue. She left the bedroom I thought to take a shower and come back to bed. But after 15 minutes she didn't come back to bed, I found her on the couch passed out. This is in the early afternoon. We hadn't had anything to drink yet. I was thinking damn. I didn't even get the chance to really enjoy this chica.

After that, now the chica is very hungry. We left for Cabarete. After a few hours more she said she better be heading back. So I took her to Charimicos to catch the bus, and that was that. Still staying in touch via Whatsapp. Cool chica, thus far. To be continued.

Meanwhile, a few nights I hung out at Rumbas and made it over to D'Latins. Just a lot of looking going on in Rumbas. In D'Latins briefly spoke to a few chicas trying to find clients. Had this tall chica standing next to me eventually start dancing in front of me. So I pulled her closer so she could grind a little of that big ass on me. I left for the bathroom, and got stopped a few times on the way back. Got back to where I left the tall chica and she had disappeared. Saw her over by the bathroom where I just came from. Oh well. Within seconds another pair of chicas came near.

I eventually took one of them back to my spot. The sex was uneventful. I like passionate women that also know what they are doing in the bedroom. She was not and did not, with me. She also seemed new to Sosua. Chica was cute and had a nice body but basically a waste of time and money.

The next night, a 180 degree change. I went to Rumbas. I met one of my buddies already there. He was sitting next to a chica with reddish hair. His spanish is non existent so she didn't get very far with him. When I came along, she turned her attention more towards me, and we all started vibing right off the bat. Her and I left shortly after, for my spot. Sex was a 90% improvement from the chica I had the previous night. Chica claims she wants to cook for us. So I may have her come over one night to cook a nice meal. With her as I do with others, I made sure we had an understanding about her doing her thing with other men is no problem with me, and for her not to be trippin when I am doing mine with other chicas.

Must have registered because we met again up in Rumbas, took her back to my spot. Did the deed, and took her back to THE SPOT restaurant for whatever she had in mind. One of her amigas works there, but I'd venture to guess she uses that spot to meet potential clients looking for a chica. About 3am when her GF was getting off, she called me so she could come back over to sleep in my place. I had a good nap, so I went out to pick her up. Chica was kinda tipsy when she got in the car, and by the time her head hit the pillow she was comatose. I was tired too, because I didn't realize until this morning that she is still fully dressed.

Getting out to go to Rumbas and D'Latins was cool. In D'Latins I got to see a lot more chicas and a better selection than I would otherwise. Ironically, of the chicas I picked from either spot, I didn't discuss price or how long. Maybe I lucked up or perhaps understanding each other helped? Yesterday I met a chica from San Cristobal at the playa (stays in Charimicos ). She was a nice looking redbone. We left from the playa, stopped for some food, and then off to my spot. In the bedroom, she wanted to use a condom for a BJ, and her hand. Nothing passionate or stimulating about this chica. I guess she also thought jerking me to erection was going to eventually work, but it didn't.

I eventually stopped the madness, got her dressed and dropped her off in Charimicos. But not without her acting clueless about what happened, what she was doing or didn't do.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1534055]Surfer, what would you say is the furthest some of your internet dating site chicas have come from (Puerto Plata, Santiago, La Vega? Santo Domingo, etc.)?

Were some of them hesitant about coming to meet you in Sosua (because of Sosua's reputation as a puta town)?[/QUOTE]Stick to the girls that live in the Puerto Plata area because it's a 100 Pesos round-trip away and close in case some issues arrive and the girl needs to leave.

Everybody knows what goes on in Sosua, and some girls wouldn't come here to meet me but most of them didn't care.

Good luck!

Sosua has so many women ready to roll that inviting internet girls is a waste of time. The good girls know that Sosua is puta central and will be insulted. In SD having internet girls is great. It takes the pressure of of hunting them down. I do not like SD casas so I have to hit the streets and clubs.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1534055]Surfer, what would you say is the furthest some of your internet dating site chicas have come from (Puerto Plata, Santiago, La Vega? Santo Domingo, etc.)?

Were some of them hesitant about coming to meet you in Sosua (because of Sosua's reputation as a puta town)?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bliadun; 1534021]I'm just not quite sure if non putas should be approached / treated as putas.

If you see a cute camarera you just ask her how much?[/QUOTE]I think you are looking at a rhetorical answer. Clearly the real world answer to your question is no! But in that town, many if not most are for sale. You may have to use tact and class when not sure and with waitstuff or others gainfully employed, you also need patience. To wait until they end their shift etc. This last trip, I went to a place for a pedicure and manicure in the afternoon. I liked the woman who served me. One thing led to another and the woman was sucking dick in the car at night after she was done and when I dropped her at her pto pta home.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1534078]Sosua has so many women ready to roll that inviting internet girls is a waste of time. The good girls know that Sosua is puta central and will be insulted. In SD having internet girls is great. It takes the pressure of of hunting them down. I do not like SD casas so I have to hit the streets and clubs.[/QUOTE]You may think that inviting Internet girls to Sosua is a waste of time, but in my case I'm having better experiences with them than those off the streets of Sosua. I have three Internet girls which I consider to be semi-pros and they are not insulted by what goes on here and I don't treat them like Putas. These girls instead of walking the Strip looking for guys utilize the Internet, kind of like Craigslist. The process takes some time but in the process I learn something about the girls prior to meeting them and am able to work on my Spanish. I do agree with you though in regards for a dislike of the Casa's in SD, I was only their once and did have some good experiences with girls from the streets and did not like the clubs. If your into sport *ucking versus a GFE experience with girls in Sosua than the Internet would be a waste of time.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1534068]Getting out to go to Rumbas and D'Latins was cool. In D'Latins I got to see a lot more chicas and a better selection than I would otherwise. Ironically, of the chicas I picked from either spot, I didn't discuss price or how long. Maybe I lucked up or perhaps understanding each other helped?[/QUOTE]Once they realize you are not a horny tourist and live there it is a totally different ballgame (pretty much works the same when living in any mongering location.) Soon you should be part of the Sosua 500. The guys that live there who not giving those skanks over 500 pesos for a piece of ass.

Quick story. Here in Thailand I always see this chick in the disco (hooker pick-up spot) at night. I have always wanted to hit but never have. One night I woke up at 3 am and decided to go to McDonald's on Beach Road (same as malecon) to get some nuggets and while I was there I would get me a SW to take to the short time hotel. I usually pay the SW $12 for short time so I put that plus the $3 it would cost for the room in my pocket. In another place I hid the 1000 baht bill (equivalent of $30) and would use that to make my purchase at McDonald's.

I was riding down the street on my motorbike in the rain when I spotted the girl I knew from the disco walking. I made a u-turn and asked her where she was going. She said home. I told her to hop on and I would take her. It was only like 2 minutes away. I relayed the idea that I wanted to fuck her and she invited me in and we got busy. The session was top notch. After I finished to a CIM I asked her how much I owed her. She said it was up to me. I broke out the $15 (500 baht) and told her that is all I had. She started laughing and said that she usually gets a minimum of $30. She took it and said that is okay because she knows I live here and I was just going out to get something to eat anyway and not intending to pick someone up to fuck. To top that off, she tried to give me half of the $15 back telling me to use that to buy my food. I played it off and said no, that I would just eat some fruit that I had left in my refrigerator. I left and headed to McDonald's.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1534189]You may think that inviting Internet girls to Sosua is a waste of time, but in my case I'm having better experiences with them than those off the streets of Sosua. I have three Internet girls which I consider to be semi-pros and they are not insulted by what goes on here and I don't treat them like Putas. These girls instead of walking the Strip looking for guys utilize the Internet, kind of like Craigslist. The process takes some time but in the process I learn something about the girls prior to meeting them and am able to work on my Spanish. I do agree with you though in regards for a dislike of the Casa's in SD, I was only their once and did have some good experiences with girls from the streets and did not like the clubs. If your into sport *ucking versus a GFE experience with girls in Sosua than the Internet would be a waste of time.[/QUOTE]Oldkool, read this over and over again multiple times until it sinks in, LOL.

In Sosua, avoid a girl named Lucci! Kinda tall, pretty, eye liner, nice body, tattoo writing on base of neck, and a large color flower vine tattoo rising on outer leg. Very bad performer and attitude. I met her in front of the Rumba Bar 5 days ago.

I love GFE and work hard to make it work. Speaking Spanish dancing bachata. Skills I developed to a decent level. \ Sosua is the Dr capital of sport fucking in the Dr. I get distracted when I am in Sousa. I can not focus on one women for very long. I am constantly looking at the menu for something better. Sd is great for the GFE experience. Nice clubs malls and fun stuff. All I am saying is I keep my sport fucking apart from my GFE.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1534304]Oldkool, read this over and over again multiple times until it sinks in, LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bliadun;1534021]If you see a cute camarera you just ask her how much?[/QUOTE]No, but I would ask her if she wanted to meet for a drink after her shift. Or what day does she have off, so maybe she could meet me on the beach.

I never discuss money during the interview process. If I like her attitude and what she has to say, then I will set a price, if she likes it, fine, if not, just as fine.

In Sosua, having patience is a good thing.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1534286]Once they realize you are not a horny tourist and live there it is a totally different ballgame (pretty much works the same when living in any mongering location.) Soon you should be part of the Sosua 500. The guys that live there who not giving those skanks over 500 pesos for a piece of ass.

Quick story. Here in Thailand I always see this chick in the disco (hooker pick-up spot) at night. I have always wanted to hit but never have. One night I woke up at 3 am and decided to go to McDonald's on Beach Road (same as malecon) to get some nuggets and while I was there I would get me a SW to take to the short time hotel. I usually pay the SW $12 for short time so I put that plus the $3 it would cost for the room in my pocket. In another place I hid the 1000 baht bill (equivalent of $30) and would use that to make my purchase at McDonald's.

I was riding down the street on my motorbike in the rain when I spotted the girl I knew from the disco walking. I made a you-turn and asked her where she was going. She said home. I told her to hop on and I would take her. It was only like 2 minutes away. I relayed the idea that I wanted to fuck her and she invited me in and we got busy. The session was top notch. After I finished to a CIM I asked her how much I owed her. She said it was up to me. I broke out the $15 (500 baht) and told her that is all I had. She started laughing and said that she usually gets a minimum of $30. She took it and said that is okay because she knows I live here and I was just going out to get something to eat anyway and not intending to pick someone up to fuck. To top that off, she tried to give me half of the $15 back telling me to use that to buy my food. I played it off and said no, that I would just eat some fruit that I had left in my refrigerator. I left and headed to McDonald's.[/QUOTE]Cool story E thanks. I have been working towards reducing what I pay. It has been mostly with my regulars though. It is still not where it could be. But I'm working on it. They have to be prepped beforehand by letting them know how much I got for them. More problematic if you try to spring it on them afterwards.

IMO, enough chicas in and around Sosua, even if they know you live there, if they know you only want to pay them a 1000 pesos or less they will pass on the offer because they know they can get more elsewhere. The only way they might accept a huge cut, is if they come to crash at your crib after they have spent the day hustling, and now want a nice place to sleep. Thats not an ideal situation for enough cats. Moreover, if they are even awake after they take a shower, I don't see them doing anything exceptional in the bedroom. They are there to sleep, not service a client. I think the women that will accept less are those that may be more desperate and happy to have a client. You may not see them up in any clubs or bars.

For instance, I do know two women that live near Sosua that will take a 1000 pesos, both are over 40, attractive, but probably would NOT do well up in D'Latins. Even so, they will try to get more out of you after you pay them. Moto money, money for food, or give you some sob story.

I think it's a little different for a dude (in the DR) that does not live in a touristic area. Like I can see a dude living in PP or some small community more successful paying much less for his p4p. But in Sosua most of these chicas know the going rate for ST, and that seems to be what they aim for, no matter what the circumstances. After last night, I can see that getting details up front is still a necessity with many of these chicas. My strategy is moving more towards throwing out the take it or leave it offers and see who bites. More effective with my regulars. Don't expect much drama.

OTOH, regular pros in Sosua? I expect many to decline those offers and look at me as if I was crazy. Or maybe the slickster chicas may act like they accept a low offer but then after you are done they will try to start some drama to try to extort more out of you. And in enough instances the drama they initiate brings a bigger pay day. One thing that seems to be a common denominator. YMMD when dealing with different chicas. You don't know what type of performer you got until you experience her for yourself.

One of my buddies got with the young cute petite, dark brown salon chica that works diagonally across from Rockys restaurant. When she is not doing hair, nails etc, she just sits in a chair wearing large dark sunglasses. Several of us expressed interest in banging this chica. Well my buddy cracked on her. Made an appointment for her to come over to his hotel (Seabreeze ). Once at his place, the sex was whack. She wouldn't even open her legs wide enough so he could get in there. Complained about experiencing some kind of pain. And like many, she didn't do jack to find another way to get him off. He eventually got her dressed and out of there, and paid her less than what they originally agreed to. It was a waste of time and money, and her lack of performance was totally unexpected.

I had a feeling he was going to have a problem with that chica when she was late for her appointment with him. He had arranged ( so he thought ) for her to come to his hotel at 2pm, but she was still sitting outside the salon in her chair staring into space a few minutes after 2. He called me, and I was sitting at Rockys watching her. Told him to call her. He calls, she answers but gave the phone to someone to interpret. In 3 minutes she got up, and was walking down the street towards Seabreeze. After hearing his story, I'm glad I didn't take her. I almost did, but she flaked on me about 2 1/2 weeks ago. I took that as a sign then to leave her alone. But I still wanted to fuck her. My buddy went the more expensive route and found out the hard way that she is a dud (with him ). We had even discussed beforehand that she would probably be an excellent performer in order to get repeat business and new clients. Apparently that business 101 logic didn't apply to her. Like enough chicas, getting that money in the now is their main priority, not building a good rep by providing good service. Although, I would say she did do a decent pedicure on me. And even with that, I wouldn't know if her pedicures were good until after she was done.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1534481][b]IMO, enough chicas in and around Sosua, even if they know you live there, if they know you only want to pay them a 1000 pesos or less they will pass on the offer because they know they can get more elsewhere. The only way they might accept a huge cut, is if they come to crash at your crib after they have spent the day hustling, and now want a nice place to sleep. [/b] Thats not an ideal situation for enough cats. Moreover, if they are even awake after they take a shower, I don't see them doing anything exceptional in the bedroom. They are there to sleep, not service a client. [b]I think the women that will accept less are those that may be more desperate and happy to have a client.[/b] You may not see them up in any clubs or bars.

For instance, I do know two women that live near Sosua that will take a 1000 pesos, both are over 40, attractive, but probably would NOT do well up in D'Latins. Even so, they will try to get more out of you after you pay them. Moto money, money for food, or give you some sob story.[/QUOTE]This needs to be posted in the Reports of Distiction thread. Wrx2005 has had more time on the ground (like multiple weeks at a time vs guys going down there for a just few days, multiple times a year) in Sosua than most of us combined, and he has only confirmed what I have always suspected.

Now we can put to rest all of these bullshit stories of guys claiming to be banging "dimes" for 800-1000 pesos a pop.

I live in Sosua. I do not take chicas out of La Rumba or anywhere else. I meet a ton of girls on the street. A girl came to my house from Santo Domingo. I had met the girl on LAC. She stayed the night and we were both bored with each other. No money was asked for nor changed hands. Actually, before she came I told her I was not looking for a play for pay situation. So I took her to the bus the next morning and outside the station door was an 18 year old from Santiago. Stunning. She came home with me for 1000 pesos. There are tons of 1000 pesos girls around who will do anything. And will call you everyday! Being here is an advantage or course. I have met a lot of girls on LAC. None was more than 1500 pesos. Sosua is about sex. Period.

Thats 2 days in a row I had 2 chicas that did CBJ only. The 1st one that I met on the playa did make an attempt to give me a BBBJ but when she tried, it wasnt worth a damn. She was doing that fake suck and jerk move. The 2nd one got to sucking the minute I put the condom on to fuck. I thought she was scared to suck it before the condom. But once i put the condom on she started sucking like she was a pro. However, neither chica was any good at performing BJ's.

I hear / read where some guys point out that you should negotiate up front the services that you want. For instance a BBBJ, not covered. But what good is a negotiation for services if the chica won't or can't perform the deed to your satisfaction? You can negotiate for types of service, but you can't negotiate the type of performance you'll get. You can only offer an incentive. Like repeat business or a propina. But even then, if the chica is no good at it. Whats the point?

In each instance, I ended up having 2 chicas I had good times with before come over to make up for those 2 lackluster chicas. At some point those 2 good performers were unknown to me, until I experienced them for myself. I never negotiated for services, they just turned out to be good / compatible sexually.

My buddy (the one that had the salon chica) he got with a slim Haitian chica that was in front of Rumba. He said his time with her was outstanding. And I know he did NOT negotiate with her for anything, she just happened to be good. And thats just the way it is. YMMD. You don't know what you got until you experience it for yourself. And like some guys here have said. Sometimes the sexiest chicas up in your face, can be the worst lays in terms of performance and attitude. I have experienced quite a few of those. And have better stories with attractive but Plain Jane types enough cats would not pay much attention to.

I kinda miss my SD chica I used to spend time with last year. This chica would suck me (or you) to completion and then afterwards just lay beside me as if she was content in the job she had just done. Plus she had a chilled personality. Since I'm thinking about it, let me see if I can reach her round ass.

I have had my share of chica's tell me no because they wanted more money and would not come down any at all. When this happens I always think to my self they will wish they had of accepted my offer later. I had rather walk away from these chica's then to cave in and accept there outrageous offers and be labeled as a sucker for the rest of my travels to sosua. Most all chica's will come down off of there original offer unless they have already had plenty of dick that day / night. If I can get these chica's for 600-2000 then anyone looking at these boards can do so as well if they try but if you only have limited time it is harder to wait sometimes. I know I usually want to fuck before I ever get checked in a hotel.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1534358]I love GFE and work hard to make it work. Speaking Spanish dancing bachata. Skills I developed to a decent level. \ Sosua is the Dr capital of sport fucking in the Dr. I get distracted when I am in Sousa. I can not focus on one women for very long. I am constantly looking at the menu for something better. Sd is great for the GFE experience. Nice clubs malls and fun stuff. All I am saying is I keep my sport fucking apart from my GFE.[/QUOTE]There is nothing like a mixture of sport fucking and GFE here is Sosua. Some nights I have a wife over and other nights something new!

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1534542]Thats 2 days in a row I had 2 chicas that did CBJ only. The 1st one that I met on the playa did make an attempt to give me a BBBJ but when she tried, it wasnt worth a damn. She was doing that fake suck and jerk move. The 2nd one got to sucking the minute I put the condom on to fuck. I thought she was scared to suck it before the condom. But once I put the condom on she started sucking like she was a pro. However, neither chica was any good at performing BJ's.

I hear / read where some guys point out that you should negotiate up front the services that you want. For instance a BBBJ, not covered. But what good is a negotiation for services if the chica won't or can't perform the deed to your satisfaction? You can negotiate for types of service, but you can't negotiate the type of performance you'll get. You can only offer an incentive. Like repeat business or a propina. But even then, if the chica is no good at it. Whats the point?[/QUOTE]Indeed. Once it becomes clear that you are not going to get a satisfactory experience out of the encounter, you may as well just cut it short and pay the girl what was agreed minus any superior performance bonuses and travel reimbursement.

I don't think negotiating specifics up front, like BBBJ is any good, because it makes the whole thing too mechanical. If she is not going to have sex like she is your girl friend, then you have picked the wrong chica in the first place.

There is no foolproof way of avoiding these aborted encounters completely, but with experience one develops a better sense of whether there is enough chemistry, respect, affection, etc. Often the hottest looking girls or the most forward are not the ones who deliver the most.

As far as the BBBJ goes, there are health educators who move among the prostitute population and no doubt advise them to avoid BBBJ for health reasons. Although BJ with a condom is hardly worth having (IMHO) , there is not much point fighting with a chica over it, because if she is not comfortable with BBBJ, she will not do it well.

To some extent in Sosua a guy's reputation may go before him. If he has a reputation for being very demanding, excessively hung, rough in bed, or for example taking forever to climax, chicas may know about this and be less willing to go with him, or ask for an above average reimbursement to discourage him. This is actually the "take-it-or-leave it" offer in reverse.

My conclusion after more than ten years in the DR is that ongoing relationships tend to provide better sex than casual single encounters and that while you can get lucky with them and find some really passionate encounters, especially if you refine your selection process, it is always going to be a bit hit and miss and if it is persistently a miss for you, then you probably need to lower your expectations or develop different strategies.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1534578]Indeed. Once it becomes clear that you are not going to get a satisfactory experience out of the encounter, you may as well just cut it short and pay the girl what was agreed minus any superior performance bonuses and travel reimbursement.

I don't think negotiating specifics up front, like BBBJ is any good, because it makes the whole thing too mechanical. If she is not going to have sex like she is your girl friend, then you have picked the wrong chica in the first place.

There is no foolproof way of avoiding these aborted encounters completely, but with experience one develops a better sense of whether there is enough chemistry, respect, affection, etc. Often the hottest looking girls or the most forward are not the ones who deliver the most.

As far as the BBBJ goes, there are health educators who move among the prostitute population and no doubt advise them to avoid BBBJ for health reasons. Although BJ with a condom is hardly worth having (IMHO) , there is not much point fighting with a chica over it, because if she is not comfortable with BBBJ, she will not do it well.

To some extent in Sosua a guy's reputation may go before him. If he has a reputation for being very demanding, excessively hung, rough in bed, or for example taking forever to climax, chicas may know about this and be less willing to go with him, or ask for an above average reimbursement to discourage him. This is actually the "take-it-or-leave it" offer in reverse.

My conclusion after more than ten years in the DR is that ongoing relationships tend to provide better sex than casual single encounters and that while you can get lucky with them and find some really passionate encounters, especially if you refine your selection process, it is always going to be a bit hit and miss and if it is persistently a miss for you, then you probably need to lower your expectations or develop different strategies.[/QUOTE]Thanks Frannie, this makes absolute sense!

I have had almost no problem getting what I want from the girls. The girls on average go home with no money in their pockets way more then with money. There are 5 times as many girls then guys. They are very motivated to give good service so they can get repeat business if possible. I think guys who consistently have problems are consistently doing something wrong. They are giving a vibe that make the girls uncomfortable. How you pick your chica plays a big roll in how they perform. You got to have some chemistry. I love dancing bachata. I spend time dancing and getting to know my conquest. THIS lowers the fear and tension which relaxes the girls. DR girls are generally very nice people. My first time with most girls I am giving oil massages and using toys with no push back. It is about helping them lower their guard. The same people seem to have the same problems over and over.

[QUOTE=Camaro1257;1534593]Thanks Frannie, this makes absolute sense![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1532941]Grown Man I like the way Frannie goes about it. Chat with whomever is your cup of tea that you would like to go with and make them a reasonable "take it or leave it offer:". If they don't accept " su oferta" move on to the next one.[/QUOTE]That also sounds like a smart move for what he wants to accomplish. Show your hand and make her take it leave. I can never decide off the rip. I hate showing my hand. I like to let her show me hers. Then I play with or against the player. I don't like talking to a lot of chicas. Slow calculation to make her feel special and she does the same- for a special experience. Example: In Boca Chica while walking with Mr. E and friends; a chica walked up to us and went straight at Mr. E. She didn't know him but its was something about him that made her walk between the 5 guys giving know one eye contact or attention but Mr. E. Of course any of us could have paid her, but it was obvious really wanted him. In my opinion, she would have fucked him or gave him a much better experience than any one of us in the group. 3 of 5 chicas I had in BC didn't asked me how much or how long they just wanted my unselective ass to pick them. They accepted what ever I gave them without question (between 1500-2500). All three I repeated because of the quality of service they gave. I kinda let their actions dictate my tone and choices. For me its not about fucking the sexiest chica all the time. Most of these chicas felt special when I submitted my attention to them because they didn't observe me in a lot of chica faces. Wrx 2005 was dead on point about sexual compatibility. I want her there not just because she is going to get paid, but also because we have a special vibe to enhance our experience. That why I like chicas on DC- they are not the sexiest in DR, but when you have connected to one and developed a vibe; she is more likely come visit you, stay as long as you allow her, give you a good experience costing you the same amount of money as the street walker would have with half the problems.

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;1534525]Sosua is about sex. Period.[/QUOTE]Wrong! Sosua is about money. Period. Show up there without it (money) and see how much sex you'll be having, LOL.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1534358]I love GFE and work hard to make it work. Speaking Spanish dancing bachata. Skills I developed to a decent level. \ Sosua is the Dr capital of sport fucking in the Dr. I get distracted when I am in Sousa. I can not focus on one women for very long. I am constantly looking at the menu for something better. Sd is great for the GFE experience. Nice clubs malls and fun stuff. All I am saying is I keep my sport fucking apart from my GFE.[/QUOTE]I agree with you Oldkool but you are in SD, Sosua, PC and other areas. For someone who is based primarily in Sosua for a couple of weeks or more, the need to import there is wanted for change up. Imagine being in Sosua seeing and dealing with the same streetwalkers for a couple of weeks. BORING and irritating. I say a man should do a little importing here and there. It seems from a few on ground reports the SW chicas are getting besides themselves. I few imports may shake out some appreciation and adjustment of attitudes. No. It might not be the ideal location like SD for GFE but it sure is a welcomed change of pace!

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1534727]Wrong! Sosua is about money. Period. Show up there without it (money) and see how much sex you'll be having, LOL.[/QUOTE]I second that! It about spending your money!

In Sosua, avoid a girl named Maoly! Kinda tall, pretty, light skin Asian eyes, tongue pierces and freckles. Can't fuck and runs for the door after a short time. I found out she is band at Victorian House by security Freddy, who is head security there and D'Latin Bar. She can't get into clubs and you will see her in front of D'Latin. She has two sisters who work Sosua as well, and one's name is Franchesca, who's similar in face but browner.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1534578]Indeed. Once it becomes clear that you are not going to get a satisfactory experience out of the encounter, you may as well just cut it short and pay the girl what was agreed minus any superior performance bonuses and travel reimbursement.

I don't think negotiating specifics up front, like BBBJ is any good, because it makes the whole thing too mechanical. If she is not going to have sex like she is your girl friend, then you have picked the wrong chica in the first place.

There is no foolproof way of avoiding these aborted encounters completely, but with experience one develops a better sense of whether there is enough chemistry, respect, affection, etc. Often the hottest looking girls or the most forward are not the ones who deliver the most.

As far as the BBBJ goes, there are health educators who move among the prostitute population and no doubt advise them to avoid BBBJ for health reasons. Although BJ with a condom is hardly worth having (IMHO) , there is not much point fighting with a chica over it, because if she is not comfortable with BBBJ, she will not do it well.

To some extent in Sosua a guy's reputation may go before him. If he has a reputation for being very demanding, excessively hung, rough in bed, or for example taking forever to climax, chicas may know about this and be less willing to go with him, or ask for an above average reimbursement to discourage him. This is actually the "take-it-or-leave it" offer in reverse.

My conclusion after more than ten years in the DR is that ongoing relationships tend to provide better sex than casual single encounters and that while you can get lucky with them and find some really passionate encounters, especially if you refine your selection process, it is always going to be a bit hit and miss and if it is persistently a miss for you, then you probably need to lower your expectations or develop different strategies.[/QUOTE]What you provided for those that need it could be a sticky too!

[QUOTE=Ipanema Carioca;1534781]In Sosua, avoid a girl named Maoly! Kinda tall, pretty, light skin Asian eyes, tongue pierces and freckles. Can't fuck and runs for the door after a short time. I found out she is band at Victorian House by security Freddy, who is head security there and D'Latin Bar. She can't get into clubs and you will see her in front of D'Latin. She has two sisters who work Sosua as well, and one's name is Franchesca, who's similar in face but browner.[/QUOTE]Is this the same chica?

[QUOTE=OldKool;1534697]I think guys who consistently have problems are consistently doing something wrong. They are giving a vibe that make the girls uncomfortable. How you pick your chica plays a big roll in how they perform. You got to have some chemistry. I love dancing bachata.[/QUOTE]Let me explain how your statement maybe somewhat flawed. The one where you say, you think guys who "consistently" have problems are "consistently" doing something wrong. How do you determine whether a guy has consistent problems or he is the one doing something wrong if there is a problem with chicas? Define problem?

Moreover, check this out. And this is where your statement bores holes. When those same guys also have consistent good experiences with other chicas, and those other chicas were comfortable and had good vibes with those guys, shouldn't that register to you or at least to the average person with some intelligence that guys don't necessarily have to be doing anything consistently wrong with chicas to have problems?

Guys are consistently dealing with all types of chicas. Some are good / compatible and some are not. When guys consistently have good experiences with other chicas, do you also acknowledge and count those experiences too? Do you stop yourself to think that maybe it just might be the chicas are a problem and not the guys doing something consistently wrong? Or do you only focus on the bad experiences guys have, ignore the good ones, and charge it only to the guys bringing on the problems?

Or perhaps you are talking about the guys you know that DO have consistent problems with chicas, and no good experiences? Please advise. How you came up with your conclusion?

And if you are using a forum like this to judge what guys here post of their experiences, that may be another flaw in judgement. Because a guy may consistently give reports of distinction in order to inform and educate, rather than being focused on providing a balance to avoid the onslaught of judgmental individuals who consistently look for opportunities to see mongers as the cause of problems. You appear to excuse chicas behavior and justify it moreso than hold them accountable for any of their own behavior. Why is that?

You have to understand something. You post what you do with chicas as if what you do is a recommendation for others guys to follow. And thats cool for those that may need / want a suggestion. However, how you operate is what works for you. Many guys are not going to be putting in all that time and money into luring chicas the way you do. And for the most part, I'm sure enough guys are having their own great experiences operating their own way. I will share another great experience in my next report.

One last point. When a dude picks a chica, there may not be time to determine whether there is chemistry or not. Many dudes here will tell you. They didn't know they had chemistry with the chica until after they spent time with them, not just upon meeting them. Point being. You can pick a chica within seconds and have a great ass experience and have no clue if you have chemistry with that individual. Conversely, you can do the same and have a bad experience with a chica after spending an hour talking and positive vibing, but once in the bedroom she turns into a dud, or she flips and becomes all business. You come off as if you don't make allowances for the fact that many of these chicas are acting and feigning, and not always representing their true selves. These chicas can adjust to whatever a guy represents to her in order to appeal to the illusion he is looking for from her.

You dont seem to take stuff that into consideration but would rather assume it has to be the guys that are consistently doing something wrong, giving off bad vibes and making chicas uncomfortable. Yeah, the guy gave off a bad vibe to make the chica so uncomfortable that she felt the need to steal his phone charger. Or caused her to be a dud in bed or caused her to pickpocket him up in D'Latins.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1534542]Thats 2 days in a row I had 2 chicas that did CBJ only.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the on the ground reporting. I'm glad I got to enjoy Sosua back when this was never an issue.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1534839]Is this the same chica?[/QUOTE]The girl you posted is a different girl.

Was chillin at the playa yesterday, when later in the afternoon a chica I know that works on a restaurant on the beach stopped by my table to say hello. She asked to use my phone to call her amiga who she introduced to me last night at Rumba. The GF was fine, with a nice body. A little shy but could be considered an 7/8. I had the previous appointment with the other chica so I only took her number. Later while standing outside, she walked by towards D'Latins. Her ass was round and delicious in those leopard print spandex pants.

At the time, I said oh well, maybe later. Well now, the Rest chica uses my phone to call her GF and tell her to come to Sosua for me. At that moment, I said damn, thats cool. Chica helping me out here. But in order for that chica to get to Sosua it was going to take a couple of hours. And I don't feel like waiting for some chica to show up. Thats not a good position to be in. Especially if you decide to roll up in Rumbas and spot somebody else.

The rest chica told me my friend didn't seem to like her when he was sitting next to her last night at Rumba. I said he was probably expecting someone. I told her I like her. That she was a nice chica (I was vibing with her wink wink ). My mind thinks for a minute. Why wait for her friend to come? Just take her ( rest chica ). She couldn't wait to call the chica back to tell her not to come. I don't think the chica even hit the shower yet. So it was a good move for me. BTW when the friend asked why she didn't have to come, the rest chica told her she didn't know. But she knew. We left the playa, stopped for food, and then off to my place.

In bed this chica and I hit it off as if we were made to fuck each other. Great BBBJ skills. I told her next time, I want to leche in her boca, to which she said simply "ok". Later about 2am the chica is cuddled up next to me, but apparently feeling horny again because I reached between her legs to find a puddle of juice there. She instantly found me getting aroused too, to which she pushed me over to suck me for a few minutes and eventually go for another round. So like I said earlier.

YMMD ( your mileage may differ ) depending on the chica you get with. I didn't know we would be compatible in and out of bed. I didn't know she was or wasnt a thief or some crazy chica. It was just happened to be a great connection. Hopefully when it comes to her friend she won't have a problem with us getting together?

I guess I should be charged for the bad vibes I created. Making that chica so uncomfortable that she chose to lie to her friend so she could get the benefits last night? That chica definitely deserves more business. Her girlfriend? Who knows? She may look good, but maybe a dud. Hopefully I get to find out. To be continued.

[QUOTE=Ipanema Carioca;1534852]The girl you posted is a different girl.[/QUOTE]I know the girl I posted is her younger sister Fran or aka Isabel. My man T dealt with your girl in Dec and last month for 3 days of the GFE. They hit it off and T is a very over average dude. He did complained that she couldn't take it like she did the first two nights. I scene his video on her and she was taking it well. T left his money and valuables laying around her. No problems! You are right she is ban from the clubs so is her sister. She is well known for fighting and kicking chicas asses. Sounds like she did to you what her sister did to T. I posted about his episode with her sister earlier last month. I had great times with her sister but T didn't.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1534734]I agree with you Oldkool but you are in SD, Sosua, PC and other areas. For someone who is based primarily in Sosua for a couple of weeks or more, the need to import there is wanted for change up. Imagine being in Sosua seeing and dealing with the same streetwalkers for a couple of weeks. BORING and irritating. I say a man should do a little importing here and there. It seems from a few on ground reports the SW chicas are getting besides themselves. I few imports may shake out some appreciation and adjustment of attitudes. No. It might not be the ideal location like SD for GFE but it sure is a welcomed change of pace![/QUOTE]Been here almost three weeks now and bringing in the wives from Puerto Plata some nights and pulling them off the Strip is working well for me.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1534697]I think guys who consistently have problems are consistently doing something wrong. They are giving a vibe that make the girls uncomfortable. How you pick your chica plays a big roll in how they perform. You got to have some chemistry. .[/QUOTE]I agree with you Olk. If you keep getting pick pocketed its not the pick pocket fault you came until there world. There is a high correlation of consistently bad results with ones decision making. One will never know the experience he will get from a chica until afterwards. You will never know the problems a particular car will have until after you get it, however, understanding the models, the car, what you want, and using a good decision making process and can save you from common problems. If the dealers keeps over pricing you, giving high interests rates, not respecting your business. Yes the dealer have some blame, however, the man in the mirror is the first person I will question. Example: Mr Gogo (an international vet) said in BC when he realized he picked a dud, the first thing he did after he got rid of her ass is REPLAYED the situation in his mind to see where or if HE slipped in the game just in case adjustments are need.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1534898]I agree with you Olk. If you keep getting pick pocketed its not the pick pocket fault you came until there world. There is a high correlation of consistently bad results with ones decision making. One will never know the experience he will get from a chica until afterwards. You will never know the problems a particular car will have until after you get it, however, understanding the models, the car, what you want, and using a good decision making process and can save you from common problems. If the dealers keeps over pricing you, giving high interests rates, not respecting your business. Yes the dealer have some blame, however, the man in the mirror is the first person I will question. Example: Mr Gogo (an international vet) said in BC when he realized he picked a dud, the first thing he did after he got rid of her ass is REPLAYED the situation in his mind to see where or if HE slipped in the game just in case adjustments are need.[/QUOTE]I believe I understand the correlations you are making. But please explain why you believe a person is to blame for somebody elses behavior? The pick pockets job is to pick pockets. The car dealers job is to sell cars, potentially as high as is possible.

If a pick pocket keeps picking pockets or a car dealer keeps trying to over price people or offer them high interest rates etc, that doesn't mean whoever they target has done something wrong or they need to look in the mirror. The people you describe, they don't discriminate from who they attempt to target. Thats the nature of their occupation. They'll attempt to do it to anybody. In fact, I'm sure in some instances they pride themselves on going after targets that think they can't get got.

Surely it is not the pickpockets fault one came into their world. But that is not even an issue nor would anybody dispute that. Now, how many times does one need to be pick pocketed before they qualify for needing to look in the mirror? Suppose a dude keeps getting pick pocketed but the thieves don't get anything to steal because he doesn't bring anything for them to steal or he has it hidden? Does that mean the individual needs to look in the mirror?

I don't know or have heard many stories of one individual who keeps getting pick pocketed and the thieves are enriched in each instance? The situation can be about something other than dealing with a pick pocket. How about stuff being stolen from ones safe? Does a guest need to look in the mirror if stuff is stolen from his safe, especially if it happened at more than one hotel? If a guy has his luggage misplaced by the airline consistently, does that mean he needs to look in the mirror too?

My point is. Behavior, poor service, incompetence, theft, deception etc from others does not necessarily equate to an individuals fault and assume they have a problem or are doing something wrong. I have said once, and will continue to say it. Each situation that occurs needs to be evaluated on it's own merits and circumstances to determine where fault lies. But just to draw conclusions that something that has happened to an individual a few times means the person has done something wrong, I don't see it. How about all of the times a guy hasnt been pick pocketed or didn't get dogged at the dealership? Does that mean the individual did something right? If it works in one instance it should work when you apply it to ones positive or uneventful circumstances. But somehow those positive instances don't seem to be included in order to determine where true fault or culpability may lie in the overall scheme of cause and effect.

I forgot to mention in my previous report about one of the chicas I had the other night. At the very beginning of the night, she claimed there was something wrong with her phone, so she gave me her GF's number in order to contact her.

When this chica and I were together, she showed me a phone that would not respond to the touch screen. I figured then, I would hear more about her phone woes later. And like clockwork, she brought up the phone again right after I paid her. She put on a pretty good performance too. She was pouting and pleading for me to give her more money to get her phone repaired. I deflected and declined consistently enough until she gave up, and I dropped her ass off by D'Latins.

Here's my take on the issue which hopefully others may consider. 1st off she strolls with a chica that is probably her teacher / mentor. I knew that going in. This chica seems like she was rehearsed.

2nd, the fucked up phone could easily have been a prop phone. Meaning a broken phone used to bait a guy into buying a phone or in this case to get a guy to give her money. Either way she can sell the phone you buy, say it was stolen. Or in the case of fixing the phone, say they didn't fix it, or she didn't get it back yet. And quite naturally, she may have a perfectly working galaxy, iphone, or some other working phone instead of that "bait" phone.

I didnt buy no phone, nor did I give her extra money. I just dropped her cute ass off.

Side note!

From a "consistent" standpoint, one can say I consistently see chicas trying their schemes towards me, but by the same token, I have consistently had chicas who I have had no issues or problems from them. In either case, I didn't do anything particularly right or wrong on my end. Whatever happened or didn't happen was the result of the type of chicas I was involved with. In both instances, I picked them. So, is a dude responsible for the good and the bad that chicas bring to his doorstep, or is he responsible only for the bad chicas / experiences?

My buddy from Southern California arrived on Tuesday and I wanted to share some of his observations, and mine of my buddy as this being his first time here. We are both Tijuana, Mexico regulars just about every weekend and I explained to him that this was a very different place. We are used to dealing with rateros, crooked cops, drug dealers, hustlers, and Chicas with slash / burn marks and tatoos in Tijuana. Upon arrival I gave a him a tour of the Strip and he was surprised by all the Dominican men on the street corners shouting "Change" over and over again followed by them hawking Viagra for sale. Kind of makes sense when you think about it, you need Pesos to pay the Putas and then a hard-on to bang them. You would think they also would be selling condoms too.

We stopped at the bar directly across the street from Rumbas around 5 PM, sat at one of the tables and ordered some soda pops and watched the parade of Putas up and down the street and in and out of Rumbas. He couldn't believe the variety of Chicas from black to white, thick and thin, and all the big booty's. He was also surprised as to how well the Chicas dressed. We both agreed that the women in Tijuana are dogs compared to the women here in Sosua. I then took him into the Voodo lounge (Bar Central) and explained to him that inside and directly out front of Bar Central is "Haiti Central". After about an an hour and half he made is first selection which was a very tall / thin dark Dominican. Since it was early I told him to just offer 1, 000 pesos and start from there. The Chica said okay but wanted 1, 500 Pesos if she did a good job. My buddy informed me afterwards that he was in awe of this one having two kids, having a killer body with no stretch marks, and being tight as a drum and gave her 1, 500 Pesos. He also told me this was the darkest girl he had ever been with and it was very good. With that remark I sensed something was up with him. Later that evening after dinner we hit the Strip again and this time he went with a Haitian who was very dark, almost purple who was hanging out in front of Bar Central. I was informed in the morning that he might be going black while in Sosua and not coming back.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1534910]I believe I understand the correlations you are making. But please explain why you believe a person is to blame for somebody elses behavior? The pick pockets job is to pick pockets. The car dealers job is to sell cars, potentially as high as is possible.

{So now YOU know about the pick pockets and the car dealer and YOU find Yourself consistently being victimized. Check- before you wreck- yourself}

If a pick pocket keeps picking pockets or a car dealer keeps trying to over price people or offer them high interest rates etc, that doesn't mean whoever they target has done something wrong or they need to look in the mirror. The people you describe, they don't discriminate from who they attempt to target. Thats the nature of their occupation. They'll attempt to do it to anybody. In fact, I'm sure in some instances they pride themselves on going after targets that think they can't get got.

{ I disagree. You don't think a pick pockets would target a known Police Officer do you. That's so much better than some American in a club. Do you think they will target the sober little guy or the big passed out man of the floor. The chica with skin tight jeans or the one with very loose cargo pockets. }

Surely it is not the pickpockets fault one came into their world. But that is not even an issue nor would anybody dispute that. Now, how many times does one need to be pick pocketed before they qualify for needing to look in the mirror? Suppose a dude keeps getting pick pocketed but the thieves don't get anything to steal because he doesn't bring anything for them to steal or he has it hidden? Does that mean the individual needs to look in the mirror?

{1. That's on the individual. 2. Yes I hope he asked himself what I need to do the stop this change my environment, how or where I hide my money? }

I don't know or have heard many stories of one individual who keeps getting pick pocketed and the thieves are enriched in each instance? The situation can be about something other than dealing with a pick pocket. How about stuff being stolen from ones safe? Does a guest need to look in the mirror if stuff is stolen from his safe, especially if it happened at more than one hotel? If a guy has his luggage misplaced by the airline consistently, does that mean he needs to look in the mirror too?

{ Hell yeah! I would start checking myself on the safes I pick to place my money, hotels I'm choosing and the airline I'm flying. }

My point is. Behavior, poor service, incompetence, theft, deception etc from others does not necessarily equate to an individuals fault and assume they have a problem or are doing something wrong. I have said once, and will continue to say it. Each situation that occurs needs to be evaluated on it's own merits and circumstances to determine where fault lies. But just to draw conclusions that something that has happened to an individual a few times means the person has done something wrong.[/QUOTE]{ You know I respected your point, but if I consistently find myself the victim of these acts of others (sing)"Starting with the at the man in the mirror!". If I consistently myself a victim of DR chicas hard life crisis, consistently find myself with a different chica back in the WU line, and I have a problem with that. I think I am consistently doing something wrong (sing)" Asking him to change his ways". I don't know how many is a few times but if its considered consistent. "There is a high correlation of consistently bad results with ones decision making". PS First round on me in Sosua! }

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1534952]I was informed in the morning that he might be going black while in Sosua and not coming back.[/QUOTE]It's all pink inside. ROTFL!

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1534921]I forgot to mention in my previous report about one of the chicas I had the other night. At the very beginning of the night, she claimed there was something wrong with her phone, so she gave me her GF's number in order to contact her.

When this chica and I were together, she showed me a phone that would not respond to the touch screen. I figured then, I would hear more about her phone woes later. And like clockwork, she brought up the phone again right after I paid her. She put on a pretty good performance too. She was pouting and pleading for me to give her more money to get her phone repaired. I deflected and declined consistently enough until she gave up, and I dropped her ass off by D'Latins.

Here's my take on the issue which hopefully others may consider. 1st off she strolls with a chica that is probably her teacher / mentor. I knew that going in. This chica seems like she was rehearsed.

2nd, the fucked up phone could easily have been a prop phone. Meaning a broken phone used to bait a guy into buying a phone or in this case to get a guy to give her money. Either way she can sell the phone you buy, say it was stolen. Or in the case of fixing the phone, say they didn't fix it, or she didn't get it back yet. And quite naturally, she may have a perfectly working galaxy, iphone, or some other working phone instead of that "bait" phone.

I didn't buy no phone, nor did I give her extra money. I just dropped her cute ass off.

Side note!

From a "consistent" standpoint, one can say I consistently see chicas trying their schemes towards me, but by the same token, I have consistently had chicas who I have had no issues or problems from them. In either case, I didn't do anything particularly right or wrong on my end. Whatever happened or didn't happen was the result of the type of chicas I was involved with. In both instances, I picked them. So, is a dude responsible for the good and the bad that chicas bring to his doorstep, or is he responsible only for the bad chicas / experiences?[/QUOTE]Did you know you used the pronoun I over 21 tiempos. LOL the I's have control. You knew what was coming. You chose to continue. You handled the situation thankfully so. So many of us through in the towel. I have myself. No money but an item of value. After I thought about it. I got mad at myself. How much was she asking for and if you don't mind lo mucho que le dio.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1534952]He also told me this was the darkest girl he had ever been with and it was very good. With that remark I sensed something was up with him. Later that evening after dinner we hit the Strip again and this time he went with a Haitian who was very dark, almost purple who was hanging out in front of Bar Central. I was informed in the morning that he might be going black while in Sosua and not coming back.[/QUOTE]So you gave him the red pill! Some friend you are.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1534921]I didn't buy no phone, nor did I give her extra money. I just dropped her cute ass off.

Side note!

From a "consistent" standpoint, one can say I consistently see chicas trying their schemes towards me, but by the same token, I have consistently had chicas who I have had no issues or problems from them. In either case, I didn't do anything particularly right or wrong on my end. Whatever happened or didn't happen was the result of the type of chicas I was involved with. In both instances, I picked them. So, is a dude responsible for the good and the bad that chicas bring to his doorstep, or is he responsible only for the bad chicas / experiences?[/QUOTE]Jolly good! And how much was the chica actually asking for to repair the phone? Did she or you get an estimate for the repair. Usually these things don't cost more than 500 pesos in the DR. Or you can buy a simple replacement phone for about $10. I have had my $10 Orange Alcatel phone for about 3 years and it still works.

Anyway it is disgraceful that these bad chicas are getting rich at the expense of noble hard working mongers and buying phones with cameras and Facebook. They ought to have a salary cap like in the NFL-no more than 1000 pesos for 24 hours and a weekend in jail any time a monger reports them to the Tourist Police for underperformance, refusing BBBJ, not orgasming, etc.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1534952]Upon arrival I gave a him a tour of the Strip and he was surprised by all the Dominican men on the street corners shouting "Change" over and over again followed by them hawking Viagra for sale.[/QUOTE]There are just a few guys on a couple of street corners who do it and the same guys have been doing it for years. They try to sell the generic Viagra at a 500% mark up, but I doubt if there is the same margin on condoms.

I so often think we take Sosua for granite. See through your friends home what a gift Sosua is. The quantity and variety of women is amazing. If you have any skills with women you can write your own ticket. Sosua is not perfect but for the price it is very hard to beat.

[QUOTE=Surfer500; 1534952]My buddy from Southern California arrived on Tuesday and I wanted to share some of his observations, and mine of my buddy as this being his first time here. We are both Tijuana, Mexico regulars just about every weekend and I explained to him that this was a very different place. We are used to dealing with rateros, crooked cops, drug dealers, hustlers, and Chicas with slash / burn marks and tatoos in Tijuana. Upon arrival I gave a him a tour of the Strip and he was surprised by all the Dominican men on the street corners shouting "Change" over and over again followed by them hawking Viagra for sale. Kind of makes sense when you think about it, you need Pesos to pay the Putas and then a hard-on to bang them. You would think they also would be selling condoms too.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1534883]I know the girl I posted is her younger sister Fran or aka Isabel.[/QUOTE]You know, if you go to Sosua a lot you're going to eventually get an asshole. She will eventually create a bad situation for her self that only a few fellas will take her or her sister. I was in Sosua last December and I'm leaving Saturday afternoon after 10 days. I got the word out on her ass already. By the time I'm finished with her rep, she won't even get picked for a cookie fight.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1535001]{ You know I respected your point, but if I consistently find myself the victim of these acts of others (sing)"Starting with the at the man in the mirror!". If I consistently myself a victim of DR chicas hard life crisis, consistently find myself with a different chica back in the WU line, and I have a problem with that. I think I am consistently doing something wrong (sing)" Asking him to change his ways". I don't know how many is a few times but if its considered consistent. "There is a high correlation of consistently bad results with ones decision making". PS First round on me in Sosua! }[/QUOTE]I do not have a problem with an individual who recognizes he made mistakes, and thus created an environment to be victimized. What I have a problem with is seeing individuals lumping individuals altogether, and trying to conclude, suggest or imply that consistent negative behavior from chicas means someone is a consistent victim. And that it consequently means they must be doing something wrong to attract consistent negative behavior from chicas. I'm saying that premise and perspective is false. Thats the main issue I am addressing.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1535012]Did you know you used the pronoun I over 21 tiempos. LOL the I's have control. You knew what was coming. You chose to continue. You handled the situation thankfully so. So many of us through in the towel. I have myself. No money but an item of value. After I thought about it. I got mad at myself. How much was she asking for and if you don't mind lo mucho que le dio.[/QUOTE]On those I's? As long as my POV got across, I hope thats what matters most? I chose to continue, yes. And for the most part, the juice was good. But to be clear, my choice to continue and her aiming to get more money doesn't make me a victim nor does it indicate a consistent shortcoming on my part because I experienced another chica trying to get over. She was just doing her job, and I did my job to keep my money in my pocket where it belongs.

I don't believe she mentioned the cost to repair. I wasnt trying to entertain that BS. I don't think the amount was that important, she was just focused on having me believe I should help her as if we had some kind of positive vibe / connection. She played that GFE role quite well. We danced and drank together up in my spot. You would have thought she was going to be cooking for me or us spending a lot of time together. That was the way it was until the show was over. After paying her, she started making her spiel about giving her more money to help her get her phone repaired. By sharing this story, my concern is for guys that need it to realize that many of these chicas have other chicas helping them and teaching them some schemes and techniques in order to get more out of a client than the p4p agreement.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1535027]Jolly good! And how much was the chica actually asking for to repair the phone? Did she or you get an estimate for the repair. Usually these things don't cost more than 500 pesos in the DR. Or you can buy a simple replacement phone for about $10. I have had my $10 Orange Alcatel phone for about 3 years and it still works.

Anyway it is disgraceful that these bad chicas are getting rich at the expense of noble hard working mongers and buying phones with cameras and Facebook. They ought to have a salary cap like in the NFL-no more than 1000 pesos for 24 hours and a weekend in jail any time a monger reports them to the Tourist Police for underperformance, refusing BBBJ, not orgasming, etc.[/QUOTE]Ya know if the chica tried to please me in every way while we were engaged sexually, she might have given me room to entertain the thought. But this mofo didn't do jack to deserve more money. Certainly didn't deserve a tip for her lackluster performance. Saw her tonight in D'Latins. She was sexy for sure. But knowing what I know, she would be a waste of time for probably most guys.

Hooked up with the sexy chica I was supposed to be with last night. Instead I got with her attractive but average looking amiga. Had a good time with the average restaurant on the playa chica. Saw her today. She was all up on me after she finished work. Couldn't shake her, so she went with me and my friends to the supermercado. My intention was to drop her off because I had a date with her sexy friend.

After we left the Playero, the rest. Chica says she's taking a taxi home to Cabarete. It's 6:42pm. I'm supposed to get together with her sexy friend at 7. I dropped the chica off at the taxi stand across from the Metro station. I'm thinking she is on her way home. I turn down Pedro Clisante and stop my car at Terra Linda to let one of my buddies off. The sexy chica calls me. I thought damn, she's early. She said I'm at Rumba. I said bet, come outside by the taxi stand, and I will pick you up.

Just to back up a bit. The average rest. Chica asked me in the store if we could get together again because she needs the money for her bambinos. She was trying to be discreet about it, because one of my buddies was standing close by. At 1st I thought she was trying to ask me for money straight up, to which I was about to decline. But she wanted to earn her keep by spending time with me. However I told her earlier that we can get together another night. My mind was on her sexy friend who was coming to Sosua.

So, like I said, I dropped off the rest. Chica, the sexy chica calls, and I drive around the block so I can pick her up at the taxi stand on the corner from Rumba. When I turned down Dr Rosen who do I spot in Rumbas parking lot? The average rest. Chica who I just dropped off at the taxi stand. That mugg wasnt going home. She just said she was going home. She saw my car come down the street and tried to hide But she was busted. Meanwhile when I got to the intersection PC and Dr Rosen, the sexy chica was on the corner. I motioned for her to get in, and we were off.

The rest chica had to have spotted her friend get in the car. Maybe she was angry, hurt or disappointed. But whatever it was, that was their problem. The sexy chica was getting revenge whether she knew it or not.

Now back at the spot. Get right to the point. Once she was "off" of those platform shoes, she was a shorty. Had a padded bra that was hiding these itty bitty titties. That round ass? It was nice, but suddenly she looked like a young girl. Them damn high platform shoes does wonders towards a chicas sexy image. But once off, all you got is a plain jane chica.

No sex. The chica was a total waste of time. The only thing she did good was drink beer and use my tablet. About 1am I told her she might as well go to D'Latins or something. She said she didn't want to go to the disco. But could I give her some money. I was happy it was going to be over soon. I paid her and dropped her off at the taxi stand. I went to D'Latins, checked out the talent, and decided to call it a night. I was a little jaded after dealing with sexy. I looked at just about every sexy chica up in D'Latins as potentially being nothing more than eye candy but not worth the time or the effort.

Saw a cute Haitian chica in D'Latins who I was with last year. She performed well. But I also recalled how her appearance transformed from a sexy petite diva to a short runt with hard hands, flatter ass than when I got her, and itty bitty titties hidden within one of those padded bras.

Drove down PC and stopped at Tipico Bar Rest. A bunch of Haitian chicas up in there. A couple with really nice asses. I was talking to one. Said she works there. Basically eye candy for the patrons. I was trying to see if we could hook up. But once the bar closed she went over to her esposa. It was another Haitian chica. It suddenly became apparent many of these chicas were GF's of each other. When I talked about hooking up with the one chica, she quickly wanted to know how much I would pay.

Needless to say, I aborted that mission and went home. Saved some leche and dinero.

Good post Wrx2005. In our sport sometimes we have such good luck most of the time that we don't know how to sign off on a bad night and live to fuck another day. I did a post about this in the AC forum where things werent working out as smooth as all the previous nights, so I headed home wondering if it was a full moon or something. I was cool going home alone because it was one bad night amongst several great nights. But no, right in front of my hotel is this little fine chica and I'm thinking its a new day early surprise. The sex was average (I would later have a threesome with her and her lesbian friend) , but I should have gone to bed alone and saved that 1000p.

You sensed that the night was bad and checked it off and waited for another day to play. I salute you for that and posting about it.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo; 1535148]Good post Wrx2005. In our sport sometimes we have such good luck most of the time that we don't know how to sign off on a bad night and live to fuck another day. I did a post about this in the AC forum where things werent working out as smooth as all the previous nights, so I headed home wondering if it was a full moon or something. I was cool going home alone because it was one bad night amongst several great nights. But no, right in front of my hotel is this little fine chica and I'm thinking its a new day early surprise. The sex was average (I would later have a threesome with her and her lesbian friend) , but I should have gone to bed alone and saved that 1000p.

You sensed that the night was bad and checked it off and waited for another day to play. I salute you for that and posting about it.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the acknowledgement. When I reflect on how yesterday went, I think everything went quite well.

By going with the restaurant chica 1st, instead of her sexy friend, I ended up having a pretty good night. It was a wise choice, to go with the bird in my hand, instead of the one in the Bush. The next night was exploratory. And what I got from the sexy diva was really no surprise. A glamorous package, but no substance. In addition, the restaurant chica witnessed 1st hand that she can be replaced in an instant.

Another positive, is that I hardly ever stay out late to go to D'Latins, so for me to go back there that late, my friends would have been impressed. In fact, many of them were already gone. Then later I went to another local bar near Passions, to explore there. That was another harmless adventure. And then to top it off, I end up going home alone without any drama. That was actually a pretty good night, and sequence of events.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1535143]So, like I said, I dropped off the rest. Chica, the sexy chica calls, and I drive around the block so I can pick her up at the taxi stand on the corner from Rumba. When I turned down Dr Rosen who do I spot in Rumbas parking lot? The average rest. Chica who I just dropped off at the taxi stand. That mugg wasnt going home. She just said she was going home. She saw my car come down the street and tried to hide But she was busted. Meanwhile when I got to the intersection PC and Dr Rosen, the sexy chica was on the corner. I motioned for her to get in, and we were off.

{ That's understandable she did say she needed money, she couldn't get it home or from you that night. My last trip I seen a waitress I knocked off from BC working in Sosua. She was shock to see me but I but her at ease. I understand you got to do what you got to do }

No sex. The chica was a total waste of time. The only thing she did good was drink beer and use my tablet. About 1am I told her she might as well go to D'Latins or something. She said she didn't want to go to the disco. But could I give her some money. I was happy it was going to be over soon. I paid her and dropped her off at the taxi stand. I went to D'Latins, checked out the talent, and decided to call it a night. I was a little jaded after dealing with sexy. I looked at just about every sexy chica up in D'Latins as potentially being nothing more than eye candy but not worth the time or the effort.

{ No sex! I bet she didn't want to go to the club! She had all the beer and internet she needed in your room. I know you don't talk about it; but I was wondering how much you paid her for wasting your time? }

Drove down PC and stopped at Tipico Bar Rest. A bunch of Haitian chicas up in there. A couple with really nice asses. I was talking to one. Said she works there. Basically eye candy for the patrons. I was trying to see if we could hook up. But once the bar closed she went over to her esposa. It was another Haitian chica. It suddenly became apparent many of these chicas were GF's of each other. When I talked about hooking up with the one chica, she quickly wanted to know how much I would pay.

Needless to say, I aborted that mission and went home. Saved some leche and dinero.[/QUOTE]Why didn't you settle with the "quickly how much" chica? Did you gut tell you she may have been a mechanical lay. I hate taking 2 loses in a day. After a dud; I quickly go out looking for a special chica that looks like she can take a pounding- to relieve my frustration and leche build up! You have more time so I commend you on your patiences.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1535250]Why didn't you settle with the "quickly how much" chica? Did you gut tell you she may have been a mechanical lay. I hate taking 2 loses in a day. After a dud; I quickly go out looking for a special chica that looks like she can take a pounding- to relieve my frustration and leche build up! You have more time so I commend you on your patiences.[/QUOTE]I don't consider those experiences actual losses or bad experiences. Only minor dissapointments. I charge those experiences to it being the nature of the game. It is what it is.

I gave the chica 1500 pesos. And she accepted it with no problem and apologized. She was with me from 7 to 1. I got a massage, a session of DATY, and NO DRAMA. A dude at a strip club in the states would have considered himself well compensated. Going the distance would have made the night more enjoyable.

The Haitian chica at the bar had her esposa there at the bar. A harder looking haitian chica. I wasnt interested in pursuing her for a quick hit, just to put money in her pocket. I prefer to deal with chicas that are attracted to and mainly into men.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1534883]I know the girl I posted is her younger sister Fran or aka Isabel. My man T dealt with your girl in Dec and last month for 3 days of the GFE. They hit it off and T is a very over average dude. He did complained that she couldn't take it like she did the first two nights. I scene his video on her and she was taking it well. T left his money and valuables laying around her. No problems! You are right she is ban from the clubs so is her sister. She is well known for fighting and kicking chicas asses. Sounds like she did to you what her sister did to T. I posted about his episode with her sister earlier last month. I had great times with her sister but T didn't.[/QUOTE]I've been dealing with Isabel (the girl in the pic) for at least 2 yrs. She is a very sexy Chica when she puts on her nice clothes. Back in the beginning of the month she got mad with me though because I wouldn't take her, but other than that she is a "real freak" in la cama. I've seen her sister the tall lighter skinned one with a dude a couple of weeks ago for a couple of days, so she must have been a cool Chica. As far as her older sister, I've met her but have never taken her. When I hit town I always start out with Isabel because I know what's on the menu. Peace.

[QUOTE=Ipanema Carioca;1535092]I got the word out on her ass already. By the time I'm finished with her rep, she won't even get picked for a cookie fight.[/QUOTE]Not true for two reasons:

1) A fresh batch of mongers roll into Sosua every week, and the mongers currently in Sosua that are hip to her game roll out. So every week she will find a fresh new batch of suckers not aware of her rep.

You also have to keep in mind that more than half of the guys traveling to Sosua do not know about this website, so the info is lost on them.

2) Guys will let their "little head" do the thinking over their "big head". Even if you told someone that she stole $100 from your open safe while you were showering, that guy will most likely say to himself: "Well, she did not steal $100 from me!"

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1535279]You also have to keep in mind that more than half of the guys traveling to Sosua do not know about this website, so the info is lost on them.[/QUOTE]I would say 95% do not consult this site. And a lot who do read the story might believe, rightly or wrongly, that the guy had it coming to him and it would never happen to them because they are too streetwise.

Also there is often more to these stories than we read. My neighbour (also a haitiana specialist) told me a certain girl had stolen 1000 pesos from him while he slept. He was a lovely guy but a raging alcoholic. I simply didn't believe him. I brought her back to Pto Plata on several occasions after that and she was a sweet girl and would do anything in bed. She told me when it was time to go she could not wake him and simply helped herself to the balance of the money he had promised. He had already given her 500 in Sosua to buy a phone. Eventually he agreed that was probably the true explanation.

Reading reports and talking to guys certainly helps to avoid some pitfalls, but in the final analysis you have to follow your own gut feeling. But by "gut feeling" I don't mean your little head.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1535279]Not true for two reasons:

1) A fresh batch of mongers roll into Sosua every week, and the mongers currently in Sosua that are hip to her game roll out. So every week she will find a fresh new batch of suckers not aware of her rep.

You also have to keep in mind that more than half of the guys traveling to Sosua do not know about this website, so the info is lost on them.

2) Guys will let their "little head" do the thinking over their "big head". Even if you told someone that she stole $100 from your open safe while you were showering, that guy will most likely say to himself: "Well, she did not steal $100 from me!"[/QUOTE]I don't see a chicas rep being tarnished in that manner either. This trip I saw several guys with the chica that threw the beer on me last year. Even if I told them what she did to me, my situation is my situation. That will not resonate as a reason for another dude not to take her.

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1535279]Not true for two reasons:

1) A fresh batch of mongers roll into Sosua every week, and the mongers currently in Sosua that are hip to her game roll out. So every week she will find a fresh new batch of suckers not aware of her rep.

You also have to keep in mind that more than half of the guys traveling to Sosua do not know about this website, so the info is lost on them.

2) Guys will let their "little head" do the thinking over their "big head". Even if you told someone that she stole $100 from your open safe while you were showering, that guy will most likely say to himself: "Well, she did not steal $100 from me!"[/QUOTE]Not to mention she is fine as hell a good 8. Fat ass, nice tits, and no stomach.

She may just blow the doors off the next guy. You never know. If you connect with her she may give you a very good time. You got to get a interview and see how you vibe. If she is having fun you will have no problem. Some of these girls use coke and it effects them.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1535379]Not to mention she is fine as hell a good 8. Fat ass, nice tits, and no stomach.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1535332]I don't see a chicas rep being tarnished in that manner either. This trip I saw several guys with the chica that threw the beer on me last year. Even if I told them what she did to me, my situation is my situation. That will not resonate as a reason for another dude not to take her.[/QUOTE]That is just life in general. YMMV. What works for one may not work for another. For instance my daughter's mom was the worst woman in the world to me. We were together 3 years. But her husband, they have been married 13 years. Now if he had listened to me and our troubles together then he may have missed out on the best thing for him. There is always somebody waiting in the wings to take that person into a new relationship regardless of what happened. Chemistry is a mf. For every element that does not bond well with a compound, there are many other elements that will. So while you are busy calling her "that biotch", there are many guys calling her "that angel."

Hung out at the playa yesterday. Watched dozens of chicas go by. Some back and forth. The beach IMO is a good place to meet chicas. I prefer to get their numbers and follow up down the road. When I 1st started coming to Sosua, I used to bring "sand to the beach". Meaning chicas that I spent considerable time with, I would take them to the beach. That practice then and IMO that practice now was and is still a unnecessary money drain. The chicas were eating and drinking all afternoon until it was time to go. Fast forward to today. I generally don't bring chicas to spend the day with me at the beach.

The beach is MY playground to unwind, lounge, socialize with my friends, eat good food, girl watch and potentially hunt for new juice. Rarely do I invite chicas to sit down to eat or drink. To do so can open the door for leeches to sponge off of you. Many that accept offers to "break bread", never say they are hungry if you ask. They'll say they are a little hungry. But put a plate of food in front of them muggs. They will devour that meal, and help you suck down as many grande Presidentes as they can you put in front of them. I have seen enough of that, not only from my own visits to the beach, but from watching many other guys spending a shit load of money treating potentially ungrateful, unappreciative chicas to food and drink just because they just met them on the beach.

In the night, when I pick up one of my regulars I will ask them if they are hungry. But I typically choose where to take them. Rickys on PC or Calle Pizzeria are my choices. Reasonably priced food. If you leave it up to a chica, you'll get a chica who'll snub her nose up at food she eats everyday, and decide she wants to eat at one of the more expensive touristic restaurants. Thats all fine and dandy because we know most guys can afford it. But in my opinion, most of these chicas don't even appreciate a dude for taking them to these places. They are just taking advantage of an opportunity, and the man's wallet. You'll rarely if ever see a chica go to any of these places for meals and drinks and pay with her own money.

My regulars I don't mind picking up some food before heading to my spot, but sometimes I have extended this benefit to new chicas (but it's coming to a screeching halt ). This is a practice I know isn't good in the long run. There really is no reason I should be stopping for food or drink for chicas I have never been with, and especially if they haven't performed satisfactory services. My habit with regulars does not need to be extended to uncharted chicas. Especially since even certain regulars take these gestures for granted. I'm relatively certain many new chicas don't even expect it, and probably look at the gesture in a negative light."This guy is buying me food and drink, and I haven't did anything to earn this benefit?"

I have sometimes allowed my American conditioning to govern how I relate to dominican working chicas. So I'm putting these thoughts out there in case some other cats find themselves extending themselves too much with chicas unnecessarily. Dining or extending benefits to chicas that haven't even earned a drink or a meal. And on top of that, doing it for ungrateful, unappreciative, and unreciprocal chicas. We do these kind gestures hoping the chicas take it in the spirit it was given, and maybe our time with them will be enhanced positively. But unfortunately, too often in the DR kind gestures and "paying forward" in a p4p environment, does not necessarily result in appreciation, superior performance or commensurate reciprocation. In enough instances, you are looked at as someone who is wasting your money.

Even in other areas I notice dominicans are conditioned. The times I stopped my car to allow a pedestrian or another motorist to have the right a way. I have seen people hesitate to move because they don't expect anyone to do that. They expect people to take advantage. So when you go outside of the norm, they arent looking at you like you are honorable or a nice guy. You are perceived as doing something that is not necessary. It's perfectly acceptable to be selfish and unyielding. And thats why I believe enough chicas don't really appreciate things done for them that they have not earned. And IMO, a show of excitement is not an indication of appreciation, but simply a characterization in order to encourage more unearned gifting in their regard.

Spoke to the restaurant chica early in the day. We agreed to get together. I asked what time are you going to be here. She texted 10 (10pm ). Ok sounds good. I asked her "dos mil todo la noche, problema?" She said no it's ok. Chica calls me around 10:20 to tell me she will be there in 5 minutes. She gets there about 10:45. She didn't know it yet, but she was on the verge of being dismissed. Just as I texted her that if she is not here in 3 minutes, she does not need to come, she shows up on a moto.

I'll give it to her. I never seen her in a dress, heels, hair and makeup. But she looked good. Got in my place, and 1st thing out of her mouth is that she is hungry. Our 1st encounter, I took her to Rickys along the way home. She was new, and against my better judgment, I treated her by buying food she hadn't earned yet. But now she came directly to my spot, and is hungry. So I pointed to the fridge, and told her to find something.

She makes a sandwich, and then decides to tell me that she can only stay 3 hours, and how she has to be with her bambino tomorrow blah blah blah. After being 45 minutes late already and deciding to spring this on me now, I decided to let her see her scheme go to shit. I aborted her visit right then and there. I was not going to entertain some bullshit story that she came all the way to Sosua dressed like that to spend 3 hours and go home to be with her children. And I damn well know she wasnt going to stay for 3 hours, and get dos mil out of me. That wasnt going to happen.

I already saw her work the other night, when I dropped her off at the taxi stand, when she was supposed to be going home. I drove around the block to pick up her GF, and by the time I got around the block, she was in the parking lot in the back of Rumbas. She was shocked that I didn't just accept her change of plans. She knew before she left the house that she intended to "go to work" in Sosua. Especially with what she had on. Since she decided not to tell me her plan beforehand, I decided I will choose another night. In addition, I also made sure she understood that if she is late again without promptly calling, I'm going to tell her not to come.

She pleaded a little bit, complaining about needing money for her bambinos. She came to get money. To walk out empty handed (but a stomach full of food) just did not sit well with her. I told her she was responsible for what happened tonight. Next time be on time, and next time make sure you get acceptance on a change in plan. Don't come over and then change the plan. She wanted to know if we could get together tomorrow, to that I said, I will let her know if and when I am ready. Walked her out to a moto, and while walking out she was still mumbling about needing money for her children. I just kept saying another night mi amor. I'm sure she went straight to the strip, which is what she likely intended to do in the 1st place. Polish me off in 3 hours or less, hit the strip, and hopefully go home with a nice chunk of change.

I called one of my other good fucks who was still chillin at Rumba at such a late hour. Too many people up in D'Latins. Picked her up, and enjoyed the night with her. Got to get her up now so I can fix my breakfast after she is gone. Overall, a man with options and resources is a blessing.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1535619]She pleaded a little bit, complaining about needing money for her bambinos. She came to get money. To walk out empty handed (but a stomach full of food) just did not sit well with her. I told her she was responsible for what happened tonight. Next time be on time, and next time make sure you get acceptance on a change in plan. Don't come over and then change the plan. She wanted to know if we could get together tomorrow, to that I said, I will let her know if and when I am ready. Walked her out to a moto, and while walking out she was still mumbling about needing money for her children. I just kept saying another night mi amor. I'm sure she went straight to the strip, which is what she likely intended to do in the 1st place. Polish me off in 3 hours or less, hit the strip, and hopefully go home with a nice chunk of change.[/QUOTE]Way to go! In my opinion good call and great back up plan. You were fortunate. In June; a chica did that to me but told me after sexy and was asking for more money. It was 5. O am and she agreed all morning. I had to threaten to put the word out on her and for her not to ever speak to me on the strip when I come back. That calmed her ass down. We seen each other many times since then. She comes, we embrace, compliment her on the phat ass and slim waist, but no Repeats. I know she wish she could turn back the hands of time. We mongers have to hold these chica accountable for their actions as best we can. Ipanema Carioca did a good thing by posting his warning. It might stop her business, but you have to start somewhere. Once again I say a forum should be created here for dishonest and lazy chicas. If it doesn't help anyone but Regular and Senior members. One could simply go back 5 pages read and be well warned.

I think it good to get the chicas that don't live in Sosua or PP. During the interview process, I try to find out where she lives and is staying for the night. If she is staying with a group of chicas packed in a room she is more likely to want to stay the night with you in your AC well spaced room.

I would not flip out over the 45 minutes. Nothing is on time in the DR. Leaving early is an issue if I am expected to pay all night money. 2000 pesos is a bargain for todo noche. She shows up looking very hot dressed to the nines is a sign of respect. She took the time and expense to look nice. Leaving early would prompt an upfront reduction of 500 pesos because it is now a short term session. I would not be upset normally. Since I am renting the pussy not buying it I have no say as to who else she rents or gives her pussy to. These girls are not our private girlfriends. To be surprised that they are looking for other customers is funny. This is her business she needs to make money to feed her babies, pay her rent and oh yes eat. If the sex and company is good I am generous and gracious. Now this how I always conduct my self. Once it is clear that this is how you roll and other ladies get to know this the ladies show up early and ask to stay longer. One more thing they will give better pricing cause they actually like your company. Just as the ladies have reputations so do mongers.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1; 1535667]Way to go! In my opinion good call and great back up plan. You were fortunate. In June; a chica did that to me but told me after sexy and was asking for more money. It was 5. O am and she agreed all morning. I had to threaten to put the word out on her and for her not to ever speak to me on the strip when I come back. That calmed her ass down. We seen each other many times since then. She comes, we embrace, compliment her on the phat ass and slim waist, but no Repeats. I know she wish she could turn back the hands of time. We mongers have to hold these chica accountable for their actions as best we can. Ipanema Carioca did a good thing by posting his warning. It might stop her business, but you have to start somewhere. Once again I say a forum should be created here for dishonest and lazy chicas. If it doesn't help anyone but Regular and Senior members. One could simply go back 5 pages read and be well warned.

I think it good to get the chicas that don't live in Sosua or PP. During the interview process, I try to find out where she lives and is staying for the night. If she is staying with a group of chicas packed in a room she is more likely to want to stay the night with you in your AC well spaced room.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1535704]I would not flip out over the 45 minutes. Nothing is on time in the DR. Leaving early is an issue if I am expected to pay all night money. 2000 pesos is a bargain for todo noche.[/QUOTE]Thats good to know that you wouldn't flip out over 45 minutes. I wouldn't flip out over 45 minutes either. However nobody has to tolerate anybodies lateness either. Any person can accomplish that without flipping out.

[QUOTE]She shows up looking very hot dressed to the nines is a sign of respect. She took the time and expense to look nice.[/QUOTE]A sign of respect? Took the time and expense to look nice? For who? The chica is on the hustle, plain and simple. Her attempt to look nice is to attract business from as many clients as she deems possible, not for any sign of respect. And if a chicas time and expense is so significant, then let her take that money and pay for her bambinos with it.

[QUOTE]Leaving early would prompt an upfront reduction of 500 pesos because it is now a short term session. I would not be upset normally. Since I am renting the pussy not buying it I have no say as to who else she rents or gives her pussy to. These girls are not our private girlfriends. To be surprised that they are looking for other customers is funny.[/QUOTE]We all know we are renting the pussy. We all know these girls arent our private girlfriends. And your right, it would be funny for a guy to be surprised a chica is looking for other customers. But since that isn't the case here or anywhere in this forum why even bring it up?

[QUOTE]This is her business she needs to make money to feed her babies, pay her rent and oh yes eat. If the sex and company is good I am generous and gracious.[/QUOTE]Now this is funny. Here you are sympathizing with chicas because according to you, they need to make money to feed their babies, pay their rent and to eat. But above you would reduce a chicas take home pay by 500 pesos (whats that $13?) just because she has to leave early? So you don't have a problem with a chica being late, but you do have a problem with a chica leaving early? Aint that a blip?

Suppose that chica needs to leave early so she can make money with another dude? After all you just said they are looking for other customers, and they aint our private GF's, right? You arent being a good Cap'and if you reduce a chicas pay by a measly 500 pesos, knowing full well she has to have as many clients as she can in order to take care of her priorities the way you indicated.

WTF happened to the chica having to feed her babies, pay her rent, and oh yes eat? Oh yeah, and what about the expense of her looking nice for you? Why not let her keep the 500 pesos, since you claim they use that money to look good and for a sign of respect? Where exactly does your home base of logic come from? Because some of the things you post in order to counter what you read baffles the shit out of me.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1; 1535667]Way to go! In my opinion good call and great back up plan. You were fortunate. In June; a chica did that to me but told me after sexy and was asking for more money. It was 5. O am and she agreed all morning. I had to threaten to put the word out on her and for her not to ever speak to me on the strip when I come back. That calmed her ass down. We seen each other many times since then. She comes, we embrace, compliment her on the phat ass and slim waist, but no Repeats. I know she wish she could turn back the hands of time. We mongers have to hold these chica accountable for their actions as best we can. Ipanema Carioca did a good thing by posting his warning. It might stop her business, but you have to start somewhere. Once again I say a forum should be created here for dishonest and lazy chicas. If it doesn't help anyone but Regular and Senior members. One could simply go back 5 pages read and be well warned.

I think it good to get the chicas that don't live in Sosua or PP. During the interview process, I try to find out where she lives and is staying for the night. If she is staying with a group of chicas packed in a room she is more likely to want to stay the night with you in your AC well spaced room.[/QUOTE]A key component in the scenario I provided was that the chica told me up front before we did anything. It would have been a different issue if we did the deed, and then she sprung it on me that she was leaving. She's a woman (capable of saying anything) , but she wasnt a seasoned vet. My gut tells me, she regrets telling me so soon. I wouldn't be surprised if another chica with experience told her she didn't handle it right. She did not expect my decision to decline and re-schedule. She probably thought the 3 hours was something I would go for. Truth is, I really didn't need her all night anyway. It's just, I wasnt going to entertain the BS she was slinging, which looked more like a weak con job. After she left me, my buddy told me at breakfast that he saw her up in D'Latins last night. So hopefully by getting there early she had an opportunity to make up for the money she blew at my spot.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1535030]There are just a few guys on a couple of street corners who do it and the same guys have been doing it for years. They try to sell the generic Viagra at a 500% mark up, but I doubt if there is the same margin on condoms.[/QUOTE]Your right while travelling around the DR it is easy to find generic Viagra for 40 pesos

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1535619]She makes a sandwich, and then decides to tell me that she can only stay 3 hours, and how she has to be with her bambino tomorrow blah blah blah. After being 45 minutes late already and deciding to spring this on me now, I decided to let her see her scheme go to shit. I aborted her visit right then and there. I was not going to entertain some bullshit story that she came all the way to Sosua dressed like that to spend 3 hours and go home to be with her children. And I damn well know she wasnt going to stay for 3 hours, and get dos mil out of me. That wasnt going to happen.[/QUOTE]I have never heard a DR women referring to "bambinos". Are you sure she wasn't an Italian?

It is an interesting story. Maybe she showed up late because she was with another guy, and maybe she intended to leave early because she had another guy waiting and just wanted to collect your 2000 pesos in the middle of the evening. Maybe.

Or maybe she was late because she was getting ready and had to wait her turn on the dryer at the neighborhood hair salon, or perhaps she was waiting for her baby sitter or mother to return from somewhere to mind her kids and only had managed to get a sitter for a limited time, not for overnight.

45 minutes is not very late by DR standards, or by the standards of the human female in general, and she did call you to say that she was on the way, even if her estimate of time was a bit off. (They usually are.) 2000 pesos is about US$47. 50, so not a huge amount of money for 3 hours skilled labor plus use of tools.

Either way, you have not provided enough detail to make the case. What do you mean when you say she saying she had to be with her "bambino" tomorrow? The devil is entirely in the details, which are all missing. It would be far more edifying to know the exact details of her family situation and what she needs to buy for the "bambinos", how much it costs, etc.

I know you will say that you are only interested in the service she provides and the sex, but there is such a thing as small talk and in the course of a few hours of naked fun one usually finds out quite a lot about the person one is having sex with.

How would you handle this situation in the US if you stayed home from work to meet your plumber for an appointment at your house at 9:30 a. m. and he called at 9:50 to say he was in your neighborhood, and then showed at your house at 10:15 muttering something about having to meet a counselor at his child's school, and asked to use your bathroom. You allow him to take a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url], then tell him to be on his way as he has breached your agreement and you then call in another plumber?

You can do whatever you want with your money, but remember you are just dealing with prostitutes, not licensed and bonded professionals, and that they are just human beings, generally young and uneducated women, trying to get by like we all are. Would you really respect a woman more who did not make some effort to put the needs of her children first?

Anyway, if nothing else, your post perfectly illustrates the perils of making overnight dates with women you hardly know. Toda la noche dates are not advisable unless you have prior sexual experience of the chica and really want to face her across the breakfast table.

No matter how young and uneducated someone is they can still be taught to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] in a pot. At least some monger is attempting to train them around there instead of making excuses for them. I don't think it's too much to ask of any person to keep their word and do what they themselves agreed to. The consequences of breaking the agreement may seem hard, but it was damn sure fair.

My first time in DR my wingman called up a chick he knew who lived 30 minutes away. He said he wanted her there in 10 minutes. She protested saying how far she lived. He told her that if she was not there in 10 minutes then not to come at all. When he hung up I was all sympathetic asking why he was doing her like that. He said that she had to learn. If getting money is of any importance to her then she would be there. I tell you what. 10 minutes after he hung up that phone her ass pulled up on a moto. Those were the good old days of Boca Chica.

P.S. I think saying bambinos is something that mongers have brought to the DR. I remember my early days in Rio when mongers would ask girls if they had bambinos because evidently they didn't know the word for kids (filhos) in Portuguese.

I truly believe that most of the girls in Sosua have kids and use their money to feed and cloth them. I treat them with respect as long as they conduct them selves well. I like to be fair and firm. I am not trying to be a sugar daddy but I have no problem being sweet to the little ladies. I felt you may have over reacted to her being late. She was upfront with you which was a mistake from her perspective. She took the time to dress nice and get to your room although 45 minutes late. She was straight shooter and paid for it. Many of these ladies get very few customers and really rely on the money for their survival. Yes I sympathize with them. Poverty a *****.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1535793]Thats good to know that you wouldn't flip out over 45 minutes. I wouldn't flip out over 45 minutes either. However nobody has to tolerate anybodies lateness either. Any person can accomplish that without flipping out.

A sign of respect? Took the time and expense to look nice? For who? The chica is on the hustle, plain and simple. Her attempt to look nice is to attract business from as many clients as she deems possible, not for any sign of respect. And if a chicas time and expense is so significant, then let her take that money and pay for her bambinos with it.

We all know we are renting the pussy. We all know these girls arent our private girlfriends. And your right, it would be funny for a guy to be surprised a chica is looking for other customers. But since that isn't the case here or anywhere in this forum why even bring it up?

Now this is in order to counter what you read baffles the shit out of me.[/QUOTE]

The times I stopped my car to allow a pedestrian or another motorist to have the right a way. I have seen people hesitate to move because they don't expect anyone to do that.

One of the hardest things I have dealing with here is that pedestrians don't have the right of way here and you will just get run over! A few days ago a Dominican in a car stopped to let me cross the street. I came up to him and thanked him for being so considerate. What a breath of fresh air.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1535841]I truly believe that most of the girls in Sosua have kids and use their money to feed and cloth them. I treat them with respect as long as they conduct them selves well. I like to be fair and firm. I am not trying to be a sugar daddy but I have no problem being sweet to the little ladies. I felt you may have over reacted to her being late. She was upfront with you which was a mistake from her perspective. She took the time to dress nice and get to your room although 45 minutes late. She was straight shooter and paid for it. Many of these ladies get very few customers and really rely on the money for their survival. Yes I sympathize with them. Poverty a *****.[/QUOTE]I must say that I am with Old Kool on this one. I have been visiting the DR every few weeks or living in the DR for more than a decade and when I am in Sosua I often see chicas I have known for more than a decade. I have talked to many chicas, been to their homes, been to their weddings in a couple of cases, been to baptisms for their children, seen some grow from young women into middle aged matrons, etc.

But I see little reason or no reason to think there is anything other than a tiny, tiny minority of chicas who are selling ass as an ongoing professional business to make money and succeeding at it. All the ones I know are just earning money on a purely ad hoc basis to buy baby food, pampers, school supplies, support their mothers, etc. And the money is spent as soon as it is earned, if not before if they sell something they own at the pawn shop for money. Thus, if anything, they minimize the number of men they have sex with for money, because mostly they don't enjoy it and/or are ashamed of it, and only seek to get the money they need for immediate short term concerns.

Contrast this if you will with the African American woman I was talking to last night in Florida who works in a low paid job (about $10 per hour) , but works a LOT of overtime. She is planning to visit her sister in Japan in a couple of months, taking her daughter, and spending about $4000 on fares plus another $2000 for spending money. She is also working on saving a $10, 000 down payment to buy an Infiniti car that she will then pay off over three years and have free and clear.

In all the years I have talked to Dominican or Haitian chicas about their earnings, ambitions, dreams, etc. I have never met any who owned anything of more value than a passola (scooter), and only two or three of those, that they have earned from selling ass. I have heard stories about one or two who have earned and saved enough in a few years to buy a home, but they are the exceptions that prove the rule.

The only chicas who seem to have prospered are those who have an ongoing relationship with a man of means from overseas, and perhaps live in a nice apartment with a / see, have the use of a car, medical insurance, dental treatment, nice clothes and salon money. Even then they rarely have anything as basic as a bank account in their own name or any security beyond the next check.

The only other way chicas prosper financially is if they marry out of the island and prosper in a foreign country, which some do, but many don't and eventually return to the DR divorced and broke.

So when I read about scheming chicas devoting their energies to scamming mongers, I take it with a pinch of salt. Most don't have many customers and would are delighted if they get the chance to spend a few hours with a pleasant guy who is good company and get 2000 pesos for their trouble, and usually try to provide a rewarding sexual experience in return.

Yeah, there might be the odd one or two who is running some complicated scheme of deception and juggling multiple clients, but probably far, far fewer than one would think from reading this board.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1535834]No matter how young and uneducated someone is they can still be taught to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] in a pot. At least some monger is attempting to train them around there instead of making excuses for them.[/QUOTE]Thinking that you can change them is the first step on the pathway to being the "Captain Save-a-Hoe" that so many of you fear becoming.

[QUOTE]My first time in DR my wingman called up a chick he knew who lived 30 minutes away. He said he wanted her there in 10 minutes. She protested saying how far she lived. He told her that if she was not there in 10 minutes then not to come at all. When he hung up I was all sympathetic asking why he was doing her like that. He said that she had to learn. If getting money is of any importance to her then she would be there. I tell you what. 10 minutes after he hung up that phone her ass pulled up on a moto.[/QUOTE]Well, obviously she was lying about being at home and was actually close by. I can't see it proves anything.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1535932]Thinking that you can change them is the first step on the pathway to being the "Captain Save-a-Hoe" that so many of you fear becoming.[/QUOTE]Come on brother. Don't just read the words; read for comprehension. You are way out in left field. Training someone to change in order to be on time and be more respectful to others is nothing like being a CSH and paying a girl or showing her the pictures that someone posted online of her in hopes that she will stop going with others. See with the first one you take something away (in this case the chance to earn money) to get the desired behavior. With the second one you are just a dumb ass thinking you can turn a hooker into a housewife.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1535932]Well, obviously she was lying about being at home and was actually close by. I can't see it proves anything.[/QUOTE]Stevie Wonder could see the main point of the issue was not where the girl lived or how close she actually was, but that she argued that it was not possible for her to arrive by the time limit she was given. When someone gave her an ultimatum (instead of feeling sorry for her and accepting her bullshit excuses as some on here are asserting should be done) she did indeed arrive on time.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1535810]I know you will say that you are only interested in the service she provides and the sex, but there is such a thing as small talk and in the course of a few hours of naked fun one usually finds out quite a lot about the person one is having sex with.[/QUOTE]Small talk is overrated and I'm not trying to get to know a hooker - there are more than enough non-hookers to do that with. I met up with a member two nights ago and hit a freelance club. I told him that I usually walk in about 2am, go up to a woman, and tell her "Let's Go." She is there for the money, and I am there for the honey. We leave the club, fuck, sleep, wake up, fuck again, and she leaves with her money. Half the time I couldn't tell you the chick's name. Most of the time when they do ask my name I tell them that names are not important. The only thing important for you is money and the only thing important for me is fucking you. No need for a chase involving food, drinks, or dancing. I am really amazed at guys who are able to keep a mental rolodex of hookers' names and things about them. Hell I can't keep the non-pros that I know sorted. If I had to remember shit about hookers too then I would really be in trouble.
[QUOTE=Frannie;1535810]Anyway, if nothing else, your post perfectly illustrates the perils of making overnight dates with women you hardly know. Toda la noche dates are not advisable unless you have prior sexual experience of the chica and really want to face her across the breakfast table.[/QUOTE]The problem with this is that I can count on one hand the times I have done short time in Sosua. I am a guy who is pretty much strictly toda la noche. I can only remember having 1 problem with a chick in Sosua and the next time I saw her I mentioned the incident. She swore that she was not the girl I was talking about until I showed her and the rest of Merengue the pictures that I had taken of her in the room on the night in question. The entire bar laughed at her.

And who said you had to face someone across the breakfast table because they spent the night? I think Wrx already has that one figured out. [QUOTE=Wrx2005;1535619]Picked her up, and enjoyed the night with her. Got to get her up now so [b]I can fix my breakfast after she is gone.[/b] [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1535810]I have never heard a DR women referring to "bambinos". Are you sure she wasn't an Italian?

It is an interesting story. Maybe she showed up late because she was with another guy, and maybe she intended to leave early because she had another guy waiting and just wanted to collect your 2000 pesos in the middle of the evening. Maybe.

Or maybe she was late because she was getting ready and had to wait her turn on the dryer at the neighborhood hair salon, or perhaps she was waiting for her baby sitter or mother to return from somewhere to mind her kids and only had managed to get a sitter for a limited time, not for overnight.

45 minutes is not very late by DR standards, or by the standards of the human female in general, and she did call you to say that she was on the way, even if her estimate of time was a bit off. (They usually are.) 2000 pesos is about US$47. 50, so not a huge amount of money for 3 hours skilled labor plus use of tools.

Either way, you have not provided enough detail to make the case. What do you mean when you say she saying she had to be with her "bambino" tomorrow? The devil is entirely in the details, which are all missing. It would be far more edifying to know the exact details of her family situation and what she needs to buy for the "bambinos", how much it costs, etc.

I know you will say that you are only interested in the service she provides and the sex, but there is such a thing as small talk and in the course of a few hours of naked fun one usually finds out quite a lot about the person one is having sex with.

How would you handle this situation in the US if you stayed home from work to meet your plumber for an appointment at your house at 9:30 am and he called at 9:50 to say he was in your neighborhood, and then showed at your house at 10:15 muttering something about having to meet a counselor at his child's school, and asked to use your bathroom. You allow him to take a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url], then tell him to be on his way as he has breached your agreement and you then call in another plumber?

You can do whatever you want with your money, but remember you are just dealing with prostitutes, not licensed and bonded professionals, and that they are just human beings, generally young and uneducated women, trying to get by like we all are. Would you really respect a woman more who did not make some effort to put the needs of her children first?

Anyway, if nothing else, your post perfectly illustrates the perils of making overnight dates with women you hardly know. Toda la noche dates are not advisable unless you have prior sexual experience of the chica and really want to face her across the breakfast table.[/QUOTE]I already alluded to the premise that she likely intended to leave early to make more money and also to get some of mine. Your speculating further is a waste, and so is me making a case for probably only a small group of individuals who can't or won't grasp what was going on with that chica. Whatever her issue was, warranted or not, that is not my concern. The only thing that matters here, is that it is my choice to accept or decline whatever she puts forth.

BTW, the DR doesn't make standards in terms of personal time management, individual people do for themselves. Therefore I don't seek to hold the DR accountable when it's an individuals behavior in question, not the DR. And thats the biggest problem here. A lot of dudes don't hold these mofos accountable. And because of that, too much shit goes on unchecked. Well I'm here to inform. That is not going to be the case in my regard.

You say 45 minutes late is not late by DR standards? Try catching the last Caribe Tours or Metro bus to an intended destination by being 45 minutes late of final departure and see if that bus is still waiting for your late arrival. When some one has to face consequences for their actions, that might do wonders in sobering up someone to the reality that others have the choice not to accept your behavior or the standards you are using.

Putting her children 1st? Are you serious? The bottom line is, the chica was lying about needing to go home early to be with her children. Her intention was to hopefully have a payday from me, and then head to the strip to find more clients there. In other words she was not going home to her children like she said, after spending time with me. Moreover there was no need for her to even dress like that, if she was only going home in 3 hours. If a chica lies to me, and uses her children as an excuse, no I don't have any respect for that. If someone else does, thats their choice. I don't have to accept that. Contrary to popular misconception, even dominican people can be held accountable for their poor choices and poor judgment.

This situation doesn't illustrate no peril in making overnight dates. You don't even have the details and facts straight according to you. So how could it perfectly illustrate some peril? This situation perfectly illustrates how a chica will lie and deceive and even use her children to get over, and how only a select few will see this chicas behavior for what it is, and deal with it accordingly.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1535927]Yeah, there might be the odd one or two who is running some complicated scheme of deception and juggling multiple clients, but probably far, far fewer than one would think from reading this board.[/QUOTE]Let's call a spade a spade. There is one guy who have consistently been holding the fort single handed for the noble and ingenuous mongers and proving at every turn how unreliable, unprofessional and unethical the Sosua bitches are. Interestingly though, he only spends time and a fucking lot of it, of all places in Sosua, and regales all with a blow by blow account each day of how he unearthed another scammer and saved the poor monger with an almost missionary zeal to save the doomed.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1535841]I truly believe that most of the girls in Sosua have kids and use their money to feed and cloth them. I treat them with respect as long as they conduct them selves well. I like to be fair and firm. I am not trying to be a sugar daddy but I have no problem being sweet to the little ladies. I felt you may have over reacted to her being late. She was upfront with you which was a mistake from her perspective. She took the time to dress nice and get to your room although 45 minutes late. She was straight shooter and paid for it. Many of these ladies get very few customers and really rely on the money for their survival. Yes I sympathize with them. Poverty a *****.[/QUOTE]How did you conclude there was an over reaction to this individual being late? Nobody indicated a over reaction. All I did was assert to her that my time is just as valuable as hers. If I decide to decline a change in plans, thats my choice. Her getting all dolled up don't mean shit, because she wasnt doing it just for me. She failed to inform me of her change of plan before coming over. Her poor judgement caused her to miss out on what I could have offered.

Here's some food for thought. You and Frannie can hone in on this. Suppose some chica had paid a baby sitter to keep her children all night because her staying at some guys place was the original agreement they spoke of on the phone. She comes to his spot on time, but he's not there. He's up in Rumbas. He calls her 20 minutes after she gets there to tell her he will be there in 5 minutes. He actually gets there an extra 20 minutes later and in total he's 45 minutes late. When he gets there, he tells her she can only stay for 3 hours because he has other plans.

After hearing this, she declines his offer and leaves to go back home. Did she over react to a change in plan by declining his offer? Of course not. Was he being considerate and respectful of that individual by being 45 minutes late, even though he called to tell her he will be there in 5 minutes but made her wait an extra 20? The answer is no.

The key here gentlemen, it doesn't matter what the circumstances are. Nobody has to put up with someone elses inconsiderate behavior or change of plans.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1535927]I must say that I am with Old Kool on this one. I have been visiting the DR every few weeks or living in the DR for more than a decade and when I am in Sosua I often see chicas I have known for more than a decade. I have talked to many chicas, been to their homes, been to their weddings in a couple of cases, been to baptisms for their children, seen some grow from young women into middle aged matrons, etc.

But I see little reason or no reason to think there is anything other than a tiny, tiny minority of chicas who are selling ass as an ongoing professional business to make money and succeeding at it. All the ones I know are just earning money on a purely ad hoc basis to buy baby food, pampers, school supplies, support their mothers, etc. And the money is spent as soon as it is earned, if not before if they sell something they own at the pawn shop for money. Thus, if anything, they minimize the number of men they have sex with for money, because mostly they don't enjoy it and / or are ashamed of it, and only seek to get the money they need for immediate short term concerns.

Contrast this if you will with the African American woman I was talking to last night in Florida who works in a low paid job (about $10 per hour) , but works a LOT of overtime. She is planning to visit her sister in Japan in a couple of months, taking her daughter, and spending about $4000 on fares plus another $2000 for spending money. She is also working on saving a $10, 000 down payment to buy an Infiniti car that she will then pay off over three years and have free and clear.

In all the years I have talked to Dominican or Haitian chicas about their earnings, ambitions, dreams, etc. I have never met any who owned anything of more value than a passola (scooter) , and only two or three of those, that they have earned from selling ass. I have heard stories about one or two who have earned and saved enough in a few years to buy a home, but they are the exceptions that prove the rule.

The only chicas who seem to have prospered are those who have an ongoing relationship with a man of means from overseas, and perhaps live in a nice apartment with a / see, have the use of a car, medical insurance, dental treatment, nice clothes and salon money. Even then they rarely have anything as basic as a bank account in their own name or any security beyond the next check.

The only other way chicas prosper financially is if they marry out of the island and prosper in a foreign country, which some do, but many don't and eventually return to the DR divorced and broke.

So when I read about scheming chicas devoting their energies to scamming mongers, I take it with a pinch of salt. Most don't have many customers and would are delighted if they get the chance to spend a few hours with a pleasant guy who is good company and get 2000 pesos for their trouble, and usually try to provide a rewarding sexual experience in return.

Yeah, there might be the odd one or two who is running some complicated scheme of deception and juggling multiple clients, but probably far, far fewer than one would think from reading this board.[/QUOTE]You haven't named one valid reason that shows why an individual should not decline a change of plans or put up with lateness.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1536003]How did you conclude there was an over reaction to this individual being late? Nobody indicated a over reaction. All I did was assert to her that my time is just as valuable as hers. If I decide to decline a change in plans, thats my choice. Her getting all dolled up don't mean shit, because she wasnt doing it just for me. She failed to inform me of her change of plan before coming over. Her poor judgement caused her to miss out on what I could have offered.

Here's some food for thought.[/QUOTE]Speaking of food for thought, how much time have you expended complaining about the 45 minutes this particular chica was late? So your time isn't as valuable as you pretend it is. I got to agree with Old Kool and Frannie on this one. Your reaction, IMO, was way over the top. 2000 pesos for 3 hours is a fair price for a nice looking woman. Your on vacation loosen up and have a nice time.

These girls earn between US$1, 000 and 2, 000 per month, with average being $208 ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_monthly_salaries[/url]). It makes them upper middle class by local standards.

Why do you think they can't save up?

Are they stupid or is it something else?

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1535927]I must say that I am with Old Kool on this one. I have been visiting the DR every few weeks or living in the DR for more than a decade and when I am in Sosua I often see chicas I have known for more than a decade. I have talked to many chicas, been to their homes, been to their weddings in a couple of cases, been to baptisms for their children, seen some grow from young women into middle aged matrons, etc.

But I see little reason or no reason to think there is anything other than a tiny, tiny minority of chicas who are selling ass as an ongoing professional business to make money and succeeding at it. All the ones I know are just earning money on a purely ad hoc basis to buy baby food, pampers, school supplies, support their mothers, etc. And the money is spent as soon as it is earned, if not before if they sell something they own at the pawn shop for money. Thus, if anything, they minimize the number of men they have sex with for money, because mostly they don't enjoy it and / or are ashamed of it, and only seek to get the money they need for immediate short term concerns.

In all the years I have talked to Dominican or Haitian chicas about their earnings, ambitions, dreams, etc. I have never met any who owned anything of more value than a passola (scooter) , and only two or three of those, that they have earned from selling ass. I have heard stories about one or two who have earned and saved enough in a few years to buy a home, but they are the exceptions that prove the rule.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bliadun; 1536044]These girls earn between US$1, 000 and 2, 000 per month, with average being $208 (

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_monthly_salaries[/url]

). It makes them upper middle class by local standards.

Why do you think they can't save up? Are they stupid or is it something else?[/QUOTE]How did you come up with a Sosua hooker making that much money? At best I would say the average one may earn $50 every other day for a total of $750 / month - if that!

25 days x 1, 500 pesos with only one customer per day=37, 500 pesos=US$900. Plus food and drinks from some mongers, for which otherwise she would have to pay herself. I know, girls may leave home without any customer on some night, but next day she may have 2 or 3 customers plus tips, food, gifts etc. And if chica is popular and charges for some extras as anal she makes so much more.

I know couple of chicas with whom I've tried to calculate their earnings and spending. Both made about US$2, 000-2, 500 on average month. And don't forget, they do not pay any taxes.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1536054]How did you come up with a Sosua hooker making that much money? At best I would say the average one may earn $50 every other day for a total of $750 / month - if that![/QUOTE]

Her problems with babysitter should not affect a customer.

Unless she had a medical emergency or something like that.

She is a service provider and should treat customer with respect.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1535987]Putting her children 1st? Are you serious? The bottom line is, the chica was lying about needing to go home early to be with her children. Her intention was to hopefully have a payday from me, and then head to the strip to find more clients there. In other words she was not going home to her children like she said, after spending time with me. Moreover there was no need for her to even dress like that, if she was only going home in 3 hours. If a chica lies to me, and uses her children as an excuse, no I don't have any respect for that. If someone else does, thats their choice. I don't have to accept that. Contrary to popular misconception, even dominican people can be held accountable for their poor choices and poor judgment.[/QUOTE]

We have no idea how much these ladies make. Take a look at videos of night life in Sosua. Way more chicas then guys. Most girls go home without any one pulling them.

On top of that some nights are slow and their monthly visit. I would guess they get a john less then every other day. Sure there are exceptions and they stand out. However for every exception are 5 mousey girls in the background. Selling pussy in Sosua is very competitive. Some girls are shy and not good at selling there stuff. My guess is they make about $300 a month which is a $100 more then they would make on an 8 to 5. Screwing strangers may not be as easy as we may think. Some of you guys are not as charming as me.

[QUOTE=Bliadun; 1536044]These girls earn between US$1, 000 and 2, 000 per month, with average being $208 (

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_monthly_salaries[/url]

). It makes them upper middle class by local standards.

Why do you think they can't save up?

Are they stupid or is it something else?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool; 1536119]We have no idea how much these ladies make. Take a look at videos of night life in Sosua. Way more chicas then guys. Most girls go home without any one pulling them.

On top of that some nights are slow and their monthly visit. I would guess they get a john less then every other day. Sure there are exceptions and they stand out. However for every exception are 5 mousey girls in the background. Selling pussy in Sosua is very competitive. Some girls are shy and not good at selling there stuff. My guess is they make about $300 a month which is a $100 more then they would make on an 8 to 5. Screwing strangers may not be as easy as we may think. Some of you guys are not as charming as me.[/QUOTE]Yes, I agree we don't really know how much they earn. Some years ago a friend of mine was running a nightclub / brothel and he kept an Excel spreadsheet on salidas which showed that one or two very popular girls were taken out almost every night, a few fairly often, and most hardly at all. I imagine that the same pattern is replicated in Sosua-a kind of bell curve in which a few really successful hookers get nearly all the dough. So the "average" may not tell us much.

[QUOTE=Bliadun; 1536083]Her problems with babysitter should not affect a customer.

Unless she had a medical emergency or something like that.

She is a service provider and should treat customer with respect.[/QUOTE]

They are not licensed professionals, they are just poor women trying to make a buck while they are still young enough to sell their only sellable asset. Over the years I have been amazed how nice most of them are, but of course there are always going to be a few bad apples.

Of course problems with a baby sitter COULD affect her punctuality. She could not leave small children alone without a responsible caregiver.

Some of you guys see yourselves as hard-nosed businessmen driving a hard bargain with hard-nosed businesswomen, but I suspect that the businesswomen don't have the same perspective on the whole process as you do.

[QUOTE=Qualude;1536024]Speaking of food for thought, how much time have you expended complaining about the 45 minutes this particular chica was late? So your time isn't as valuable as you pretend it is. I got to agree with Old Kool and Frannie on this one. Your reaction, IMO, was way over the top. 2000 pesos for 3 hours is a fair price for a nice looking woman. Your on vacation loosen up and have a nice time.[/QUOTE]On the night in question I spent maybe 5 minutes with the chica in regards to her being late. And about 10 minutes explaining to her that I was declining her sudden change in the original plan, and willing to re-schedule for another night. So approx 15 minutes for that. And more time with her trying to get me to accept her offer. If we plan another get together, and she is on time, that time was well spent.

Here's more food for thought. You say you agree with Frannie, that my reaction was over the top. Well let me share with you a couple of statements from your comrade. This was just posted last October. And ironically, dealing with chicas behavior was what we were discussing. The following is a reference he made to how chicas should be treated.

[QUOTE][b]My experience is that you have to treat them like dogs[/b]. I love dogs to death, but you must establish complete dominance before you give them any liberties, always give clear and unambiguous signals, and make sure that they are 100% loyal to you before you give them any liberties, otherwise they will try to take the lead, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] on the furniture, etc. You do not give a dog your iPad to play with, or it will be Skyping other dogs and spreading rebellion.[/QUOTE]And this,

[QUOTE]People fall into two classes, those who love dogs and those who don't. I love dogs, but when you are training them they have to first learn who is in charge before they are ready to learn. Once that is established they do fine. However if you don't show them who is in charge, then they get ideas above their station and think that they must be in charge.

It is the same with these chicas. You just have to be confident, unambiguous and in charge and you will do fine. It is not rocket science. You don't have to beat them with a stick, just make it clear that you mean what you say and say what you mean.

[b]Lateness is a good example. If you hang around for hours waiting for them if they are late, then they will do it every time. [/b] No, give them sufficient time to allow for contingencies, then make other plans.[/QUOTE]Did you get that? He said you have to treat chicas like dogs and establish complete dominance. If you don't show them who is in charge then they get ideas. Like in this case, think they can suddenly change a plan and get you to take the bait. Or have you waiting without being considerate enough to call to inform you they will be late, and if not checked, then they'll do it every time. So in essence, I was somewhat in accord with his basic premise of taking charge of the situation and not allowing the chica to dominate the situation.

Here's more food for thought. Lots of guys get caught up aimlessly negotiating with chicas. I hear this all the time. A chica throws out the bait by telling a guy she will stay for an x amount of time for a certain amount of money. The guy goes for it, just like you thinking he's hit the jackpot with a bargain. My man, I don't know how long you've been mongering, but when a chica tells a potential client she is going to stay a certain amount of time she's likely baiting you to accept the offer. Meanwhile she may no intentions of staying the amount of time she claims. Usually it's once you nut, she's done. That can be 15 minutes or an hour. But she aint staying no 3 hours or all night just because she agreed to. And just in case you didn't get this, we never discussed nor did I post how much she was to get for staying 3 hours.

I wasnt buying it, and did not feel the need to. And FYI, the chica I replaced her with, stayed the rest of the night, about 8 hours. Enough time for 2 sessions. Now you do the math. Which option is best. Some chica who is inconsiderate by being late, tries to hustle me by changing the plan to get some quick cash, and who is only average looking, or a better looking chica who was glad that I called her, stayed 8 hours and was better company, and still was only paid 2000 pesos plus 100 pesos for transpo?

Some of you are quick to agree with each other but have no clue to what the real issues are or the depth of the people you agree with, and those you disagree with. But then, thats not my problem. I only need to think in one head. My reaction was not over the top. My reaction was on point. Now next time, this chica might not be so sloppy, and work harder to be more punctual and communicative next time I want her.

I guess I've made my calculations with most successful chicas in business.

Yet, it's hard to believe an OldKool estimation. If they only make extra $100 per month comparing to 9 to 5 job, what's the point doing that?

[QUOTE=Frannie;1536121]Yes, I agree we don't really know how much they earn. Some years ago a friend of mine was running a nightclub / brothel and he kept an Excel spreadsheet on salidas which showed that one or two very popular girls were taken out almost every night, a few fairly often, and most hardly at all. I imagine that the same pattern is replicated in Sosua-a kind of bell curve in which a few really successful hookers get nearly all the dough. So the "average" may not tell us much.[/QUOTE]

Yes, sure, but may be if she would be more honest with Wrx2005 and just admit that it was her problem and asked him to go for ST instead TLN, he would agree?

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1536124]They are not licensed professionals, they are just poor women trying to make a buck while they are still young enough to sell their only sellable asset. Over the years I have been amazed how nice most of them are, but of course there are always going to be a few bad apples.

Of course problems with a baby sitter COULD affect her punctuality. She could not leave small children alone without a responsible caregiver.

Some of you guys see yourselves as hard-nosed businessmen driving a hard bargain with hard-nosed businesswomen, but I suspect that the businesswomen don't have the same perspective on the whole process as you do.[/QUOTE]

Why would she work for $300 a month? Most camareras probably make more than $100 in tips and it's a decent and safe job for chicas.

[QUOTE=OldKool; 1536119]We have no idea how much these ladies make. Take a look at videos of night life in Sosua. Way more chicas then guys. Most girls go home without any one pulling them.

On top of that some nights are slow and their monthly visit. I would guess they get a john less then every other day. Sure there are exceptions and they stand out. However for every exception are 5 mousey girls in the background. Selling pussy in Sosua is very competitive. Some girls are shy and not good at selling there stuff. My guess is they make about $300 a month which is a $100 more then they would make on an 8 to 5. Screwing strangers may not be as easy as we may think. Some of you guys are not as charming as me.[/QUOTE]

Mindless chatter.

Lateness is a universal island thing. Applying US customer service methodology to putas in the DR or anywhere is ridiculous.

[QUOTE=Bliadun; 1536147]I guess I've made my calculations with most successful chicas in business.

Yet, it's hard to believe an OldKool estimation. If they only make extra $100 per month comparing to 9 to 5 job, what's the point doing that?[/QUOTE]It's called laziness Bliadun. Be thankful that it exists. My girlfriend has a college degree and is an accountant in a warehouse. She gets up at 6:30 am Monday thru Saturday to be at work at 8. She comes home from 12-1 for lunch then goes back to work and gets home at 6pm. On Saturdays she finishes at noon. She makes 17000 pesos/month.

Compare that to the hooker who has no education and sleeps as late as she wants everyday. She shows up in Sosua only when she needs to get money. Half the time she has gringos buying food and drink for her. She hopes to one day have a Western Union boyfriend.

My buddy and I are departing today for the US. I've been here three weeks and my buddy one week. I have mixed emotions about this place and am not sure when I'll return and how long I will stay next time. I spent time at the beach every day which included snorkeling, ocean swimming, and surfing. If this place didn't have all the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord119][CodeWord119][/url] I could of never stayed here for three weeks, it would of just been too much. If someone is coming here to bang the Chicas only, I could see being depleted after 3 or 4 days.

My buddy has had quite an experience. He temporarily went black after spending time in the Voodo Lounge (Bar Central). Initially he had some good encounters with the Haitians and then some bad ones so stayed away from them for the rest of the trip.

E is right about how much they make working regular jobs about $40 a week and they work 6 days a week. About 54 hours a week for 40 dollars. An extra 100 dollars is huge. Being a pimp is laziness E. What these ladies do to support their families is challenging. I would guess for every score they are rejected 5 to 10 times and that the 8s. If a girl is smoking hot and we are not ready we say no. Some of you guys have Marie Antoinette symdrome. None of these ladies want to be putas. When there are almost no jobs and the jobs do not pay enough to live how do you feed your baby. (which they all have) Most of you guys do not get know regular people in the DR. If you were born in the DR you would be street hustlers. They live in a very poor country with no opportunities to better themselves. IMHO they are noble people.

[QUOTE=Bliadun; 1536147]I guess I've made my calculations with most successful chicas in business.

Yet, it's hard to believe an OldKool estimation. If they only make extra $100 per month comparing to 9 to 5 job, what's the point doing that?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1536194]E is right about how much they make working regular jobs about $40 a week and they work 6 days a week. About 54 hours a week for 40 dollars. An extra 100 dollars is huge. Being a pimp is laziness E. What these ladies do to support their families is challenging. I would guess for every score they are rejected 5 to 10 times and that the 8s. If a girl is smoking hot and we are not ready we say no. Some of you guys have Marie Antoinette symdrome. None of these ladies want to be putas. When there are almost no jobs and the jobs do not pay enough to live how do you feed your baby. (which they all have) Most of you guys do not get know regular people in the DR. If you were born in the DR you would be street hustlers. They live in a very poor country with no opportunities to better themselves. IMHO they are noble people.[/QUOTE]You know, Oldkool, I am really surprised that many guys either don't get what you say, or worse just don't give a Fuck (pun intended). Whatever. Life's a ***** (pun maybe intended!) as they say! Anyways, I prefer the semi pros and those from Cupid. Works for me. So far! Never a 100 percent, but say 2 out of 3. It is a LOT of work though. And I do end up spending more. And have no regrets about that whatsoever!

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1536166]My buddy has had quite an experience. He temporarily went black after spending time in the Voodo Lounge (Bar Central). Initially he had some good encounters with the Haitians and then some bad ones so stayed away from them for the rest of the trip.[/QUOTE]Glad you had fun. Your reports are some of the most skin-color conscience reports I've ever read in the Sosua forum. Hopefully it won't be so much of a highlight of your trip next time. It almost sound like you and your buddy went there fully unaware of what to expect.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1536166]My buddy and I are departing today for the US. I've been here three weeks and my buddy one week. I have mixed emotions about this place and am not sure when I'll return and how long I will stay next time. I spent time at the beach every day which included snorkeling, ocean swimming, and surfing. If this place didn't have all the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord119][CodeWord119][/url] I could of never stayed here for three weeks, it would of just been too much. If someone is coming here to bang the Chicas only, I could see being depleted after 3 or 4 days.[/QUOTE]Surfer500,

I hope you had a good time. I guess everyplace isn't for everybody. When I travel to Sosua, I try to stay at least 1month, and I still, leave feeling that I didn't have enough time to explore everything. That's part of the adventure for me because I have something to look forward to when I come back. I still have some chicas on my "to do" list that I have been trying get to for 2 yrs. That's part of the allure of Sosua for me; the constant change of "scenery". There's always someone new to do.

Peace.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1536166]My buddy has had quite an experience. He temporarily went black after spending time in the Voodo Lounge (Bar Central). Initially he had some good encounters with the Haitians and then some bad ones so stayed away from them for the rest of the trip.[/QUOTE]It doesn't matter. If they have even a hair from his head or a fingernail clipping, they can incorporate it into a voodoo doll and inflict suffering on him no matter what part of the earth he travels to. Sorry, but that is just how it is.

[url]http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/voodoo-doll_163.jpg[/url]

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1536126]Here's more food for thought. You say you agree with Frannie, that my reaction was over the top. Well let me share with you a couple of statements from your comrade. This was just posted last October. And ironically, dealing with chicas behavior was what we were discussing. The following is a reference he made to how chicas should be treated.

Here's more food for thought. Lots of guys get caught up aimlessly negotiating with chicas. I hear this all the time. A chica throws out the bait by telling a guy she will stay for an x amount of time for a certain amount of money. The guy goes for it, just like you thinking he's hit the jackpot with a bargain. My man, I don't know how long you've been mongering, but when a chica tells a potential client she is going to stay a certain amount of time she's likely baiting you to accept the offer. Meanwhile she may no intentions of staying the amount of time she claims. Usually it's once you nut, she's done. That can be 15 minutes or an hour. But she aint staying no 3 hours or all night just because she agreed to. And just in case you didn't get this, we never discussed nor did I post how much she was to get for staying 3 hours.[/QUOTE]Pretty good rebuttal WRX so let me clarify my post to say I agree with what Frannie and Old Kool said in said in post # 19358 and 19360. I am not going to go back and read everyone's post from months ago to see if I can catch them in a contradiction. Whats the point? Your right and those who disagree with you are wrong! Everyone rolls differently, you do the DR your way and I'll do the DR my way. Beyond that I am not going to continue the argument. Good luck and happy travels.

[QUOTE=Bliadun;1536152]Yes, sure, but may be if she would be more honest with Wrx2005 and just admit that it was her problem and asked him to go for ST instead TLN, he would agree?[/QUOTE]If that chica would have told me she could not stay before she came over, I would have respected that. I still may have declined, but I would have respected her doing that. Instead she told me she could only stay for 3 hours because she had to get back home to be with her children. (she said Bambino's ). That was a lie. Her intent was to go out to the club and to hopefully find more clients for the night. That don't sound like someone needing to get back home early to be with their children. She lost my interest when she did that. At that point, I didn't care about her 3 hour offer. Yesterday and today she has been blowing up my phone. But tonight I have another regular coming over. One I haven't been with in 2 weeks. I texted her earlier to tell her I have 1500 pesos for her. (she is staying all night. 10pm until morning ). I added I had more days left and need money to live on. To which she texted back, that that was no problem. She will call me when she gets to Sosua.

This chica has never been late, nor has she ever changed the original plan in order to get back to her hustle. She's usually an all nighter.

[QUOTE=Qualude;1536337]Pretty good rebuttal WRX so let me clarify my post to say I agree with what Frannie and Old Kool said in said in post # 19358 and 19360. I am not going to go back and read everyone's post from months ago to see if I can catch them in a contradiction. Whats the point? Your right and those who disagree with you are wrong! Everyone rolls differently, you do the DR your way and I'll do the DR my way. Beyond that I am not going to continue the argument. Good luck and happy travels.[/QUOTE]You don't have to go back and read anything dude. The point is, you agreed with a conclusion they made. But conclusions don't mean jack unless you have valid reasons to support them to which they gave none. Anybody can say they agree or disagree with something or somebody, but unless you have something substantive to support why you agree or disagree, you haven't proven anything or given anything worth taking into consideration.

If I address someone or a POV, I take the time to give reasons and / or logic to support my perspective. And thats how one should uphold their end of a discussion. Not simply by giving people statements that they agree or disagree. If you agree or disagree explain why you agree or disagree. But not to worry, unless you can do that, there is no argument between us. Thats one reason why enough people give up so easily. Most times it's because they don't represent the other persons POV the way the other person conveyed it. Which to a certain extent is about 70% IMO of the problem with the guys you just agreed with. But thank you for saying happy travels, and the same to you.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1535994]Let's call a spade a spade. There is one guy who have consistently been holding the fort single handed for the noble and ingenuous mongers and proving at every turn how unreliable, unprofessional and unethical the Sosua bitches are. Interestingly though, he only spends time and a fucking lot of it, of all places in Sosua, and regales all with a blow by blow account each day of how he unearthed another scammer and saved the poor monger with an almost missionary zeal to save the doomed.[/QUOTE]If you substitute your generalizations and your reference to chicas as "bitches" with the words I use, like some chicas, enough chicas, or the chicas the info applies to, then you might get out of that haterade route you are wallowing in. If you can't seem to do that like your buddies, you might as well take a seat in the corner with the rest of the "I can't seem to articulate what others post the way it was conveyed" circus clowns.

[QUOTE=Surfer500; 1536166]My buddy and I are departing today for the US. I've been here three weeks and my buddy one week. I have mixed emotions about this place and am not sure when I'll return and how long I will stay next time. I spent time at the beach every day which included snorkeling, ocean swimming, and surfing. If this place didn't have all the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord119][CodeWord119][/url] I could of never stayed here for three weeks, it would of just been too much. If someone is coming here to bang the Chicas only, I could see being depleted after 3 or 4 days.

My buddy has had quite an experience. He temporarily went black after spending time in the Voodo Lounge (Bar Central). Initially he had some good encounters with the Haitians and then some bad ones so stayed away from them for the rest of the trip.[/QUOTE]Tell your buddy; I would love to heard what happen.

I tried for 2 months to ignore you but beating the same dam drum. Girl show up 45 minutes late looking great says she can 3 hours because she has issue with her bambino. You with your magical powers read her mind and determine she wants to get another trick for night. So you show her by sending her packing with no money. For two months I tried to ignore your post. You manage to find every scammer in DR. You are a scam magnet. I like many other posters finds your assertions silly, wrong and winney. Somethings border on paranoia. We are all out to get you. I am not looking forward to the book you use to defend your stupidity. Fuck it it had to be sad cause all the right thinking folk are applauding.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1536385]If you substitute your generalizations and your reference to chicas as "bitches" with the words I use, like some chicas, enough chicas, or the chicas the info applies to, then you might get out of that haterade route you are wallowing in. If you can't seem to do that like your buddies, you might as well take a seat in the corner with the rest of the "I can't seem to articulate what others post the way it was conveyed" circus clowns.[/QUOTE]

If you want to be treated well you need to be respectful. DR putas are not the same as American Hos. I like you love the cupid and semi pros they bring a level of affection that is very refreshing and worth the effort and money it may cost. Waking up next to lovely young lady who has not sucked 5 or 6 other dicks that week is a good thing. Kissing a women who kisses you back with passion. You got to learn some Spanish and enjoy latin dancing and food. Hey but sport fucking 19 year old pussy in Sosua is real cool and should not be taken for granite. Much love bro you can be my wing anytime.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1536212]You know, Oldkool, I am really surprised that many guys either don't get what you say, or worse just don't give a Fuck (pun intended). Whatever. Life's a ***** (pun maybe intended!) as they say! Anyways, I prefer the semi pros and those from Cupid. Works for me. So far! Never a 100 percent, but say 2 out of 3. It is a LOT of work though. And I do end up spending more. And have no regrets about that whatsoever![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Frannie;1535932]Thinking that you can change them is the first step on the pathway to being the "Captain Save-a-Hoe" that so many of you fear becoming.[/QUOTE]If you've been paying attention, I have brought to the surface statements you wrote about 6 months ago, to illustrate a point with another poster. And it appears that it may be appropriate to address it again. What you say here with Mr E, basically contradicts what you said in October in regards to dealing with chicas and behavior.

Have another look to see what I mean. You had already indicated that chicas have to be trained like dogs. And you indicated a rather simple process in accomplishing that.

[QUOTE]My experience is that you have to treat them like dogs. I love dogs to death, but you must establish complete dominance before you give them any liberties, always give clear and unambiguous signals, and make sure that they are 100% loyal to you before you give them any liberties, otherwise they will try to take the lead, Or, I love dogs, but when you are training them they have to first learn who is in charge before they are ready to learn. Once that is established they do fine. However if you don't show them who is in charge, then they get ideas above their station and think that they must be in charge.

[b]It is the same with these chicas. You just have to be confident, unambiguous and in charge and you will do fine. It is not rocket science. You don't have to beat them with a stick, just make it clear that you mean what you say and say what you mean. [/b][/QUOTE]Now Frannie, this is one of the reasons I think you choose certain posts to respond to. Argue just to be argumentative. If a person has a POV, that POV should be consistent wherever it applies. Not just to make statements to illustrate you disagree with a poster when in reality you don't. Especially if you believe what you write.

Now above you told Mr E that thinking you can change them (chica behavior) is the 1st step on the pathway to being the "Captain Save-a-Hoe" that so many of you fear becoming. But yet back in October you broke down just how chicas should be treated and trained. You even went on to give a brief process of how it can be accomplished. You said you have to be confident, unambiguous, and in charge and you will be fine. It's not rocket science according to you. You don't have to beat them, just make it clear that you mean what you say, and say what you mean.

Now Frannie if you meant what you said and said what you mean, in that statement just a short while ago, in regards to training chicas, why would you counter Mr E now implying a problem with being able to influence a change in chicas behavior? That somehow a dude is on the pathway to becoming a "Captain Save-a-Hoe" just by thinking he can change them? Thats a significant contradiction on your part. Or perhaps I am reading it all wrong? That the only reason you made that statement was to suggest that Mr E's perspective somehow makes him inclusive of one subject to being a CSaH? Because that is what your response to him seems to represent, moreso than a legit disagreement. Especially if one is to believe that you meant what you said back in October. Please advise if I got it all wrong.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1536444]I tried for 2 months to ignore you but beating the same dam drum. Girl show up 45 minutes late looking great says she can 3 hours because she has issue with her bambino. You with your magical powers read her mind and determine she wants to get another trick for night. So you show her by sending her packing with no money. For two months I tried to ignore your post. You manage to find every scammer in DR. You are a scam magnet. I like many other posters finds your assertions silly, wrong and winney. Somethings border on paranoia. We are all out to get you. I am not looking forward to the book you use to defend your stupidity. Fuck it it had to be sad cause all the right thinking folk are applauding.[/QUOTE]It's called being there. I was the one relating to this chica, and therefore I am the one with a better perspective on what this chicas objective was that night. Moreover, Frannie made a statement that may be correct. He said she may have been late because she may have been with someone prior to getting to my place. That is entirely plausible. I think I recall he was in accord that she was aiming to be with another client that night as well. And I kinda suspect that, moreso than her being late leaving her house.

Now smart man. It is expected that you'll have a problem with whatever I post, and put a negative spin on it. But your own comrade gave a speculative opinion on the chicas potential reason for being late. You going to say to him, that he has magical powers to read that chicas mind too? Of course not. You would never say that to him even if you disagreed with him. In either case, mine or Frannie, it is experience, ours and the experience of others that allows us to calculate ones potential motives. But the most significant perspective you should have observed, is that no one is under any obligation to accept an offer, or inconsiderate behavior if they choose not to.

In the past month I have watched many guys come and go. I have had the pleasure of meeting many new guys, as well as socialize with quite a few guys I always see. I have had some interesting grown folks type of discussions with these men. In some cases many of the men were all much older than me. So it has been interesting listening to how different guys of various ages perceive and enjoy the DR, and Sosua in particular.

A lot of these men do not go to Rumba, D'Latins or any of the clubs. They have their own way of enjoying what the Dr (and Sosua) has to offer. For the most part, many if not most just enjoy sitting down and talking about anything that comes up. One can learn a lot when you have good social circles. And these guys and myself are appreciative of the beauty this country and particularly the north coast has to offer.

Some of us have said many times "It doesn't get any better than this", especially at the playa enjoying the view, the clear water, shooting the breeze, having a nice meal, girl watching and / or hunting, or taking a nap. The simple pleasure of life. Nothing extravagant. You don't have to drive your luxury car like you would back at home, no need to wear expensive clothes, or impress people with "your stuff". You can be as simplistic as you want. And the best part is, many of us are enjoying the beautiful weather after escaping all the cold weather and snow back where it is cold.

Other than that. My Montellano chica and I spent a good night together.

[quote=wrx2005; 1536566]if you've been paying attention, i have brought to the surface statements you wrote about 6 months ago, to illustrate a point with another poster. and it appears that it may be appropriate to address it again. what you say here with mr e, basically contradicts what you said in october in regards to dealing with chicas and behavior.

have another look to see what i mean. you had already indicated that chicas have to be trained like dogs. and you indicated a rather simple process in accomplishing that.

now frannie, this is one of the reasons i think you choose certain posts to respond to. argue just to be argumentative. if a person has a pov, that pov should be consistent wherever it applies. not just to make statements to illustrate you disagree with a poster when in reality you don't. especially if you believe what you write.

now above you told mr e that thinking you can change them (chica behavior) is the 1st step on the pathway to being the "captain save-a-hoe" that so many of you fear becoming. but yet back in october you broke down just how chicas should be treated and trained. you even went on to give a brief process of how it can be accomplished. you said you have to be confident, unambiguous, and in charge and you will be fine. it's not rocket science according to you. you don't have to beat them, just make it clear that you mean what you say, and say what you mean.

now frannie if you meant what you said and said what you mean, in that statement just a short while ago, in regards to training chicas, why would you counter mr e now implying a problem with being able to influence a change in chicas behavior? that somehow a dude is on the pathway to becoming a "captain save-a-hoe" just by thinking he can change them? thats a significant contradiction on your part. or perhaps i am reading it all wrong? that the only reason you made that statement was to suggest that mr e's perspective somehow makes him inclusive of one subject to being a csah? because that is what your response to him seems to represent, moreso than a legit disagreement. especially if one is to believe that you meant what you said back in october. please advise if i got it all wrong.[/quote]yes, but if you read carefully what i wrote before i said that with regard to lateness, you will see that i say first make a reasonable allowance for contingencies. i would say you did not do this, especially as she did call to say she was running late. ok, she said five minutes and showed up twenty five minutes later, but a lot of these chicas have little sense of time. people are no different in the us.

in my employment i would often get phone calls from employees who said they were running late. if i asked them how late, they would perhaps say 15 minutes and then show up half an hour later, because people habitually underestimate how long it takes to get their stuff together, set the burglar alarm, get their car loaded, started and backed out, arrive at destination, find a parking spot, park, walk to building where they work, open the door, remember they left their time card in the car, go back and get it, and so on. if they arrived half an hour late instead of 15 minutes, i would not then tell them to go home again.

if a chica said she was coming in five minutes, and she was in la union (for example) , she probably meant she was leaving the house in five minutes, so by the time she had walked down to the carretera, waited for a carro with an empty seat, rode to sosua, exited the taxi, crossed the road, spoken to an acquaintance she saw, and so on, probably 25 minutes had gone by. that would be allowing for contingencies. also remember that your spanish is not 100% perfect, so you might have missed the fine distinctions between ahora and ahorita and ahora mismo, for example. if a chica says she is leaving the house ahorita, it is far from clear if she is on the way out the door, or needs to take a shower first.

anyway you didn't make a reasonable allowance for contingencies.

secondly, i love dogs, and treat them with great affection, but i don't ask them for their opinions. that is what i mean by treating them like dogs. in the original discussion i think someone was talking about a chica using his ipad to skype her male friends during a paid date, or something like that. no i would not tolerate that, but a bit different from showing up a bit late, when clearly the chica had been spending time fixing herself up to look good, for whatever reason.

this girl is a prostitute who showed up a bit late for a prearranged 10:00 pm date, which is about par for the course. it was not like you had to leave at 11:00 pm to go to the airport to catch your flight home, in which case you might well want to grab another chica if she did not show up.

it sounds like you had a bit of a crush on this chica and were just bent out of shape when it became apparent that to her you were just another tourist client.

maybe she did intend to look for another client later, or maybe she was just trying to make a good impression on you. we shall never know. who cares? move on.

regarding mr. e, i am not sure what point you are making, but if his friend called a women whom he knew lived 1/2 hour away and told her to be there in 10 minutes or not to bother, then either she is not at home, but close by, or she doesn't come. it appears that she was lying about her gps data, but these chicas lie all the time for various reasons. do you really want a chica to say "right now i am fucking someone else, but as soon as i have finished and washed up i will be with you"?

it is like these people who act like they are really shocked that president clinton lied about getting his dick sucked by monica lewinsky."oh, i could not vote for him because he lied about lewinsky!" do you think you would ever hear people saying "well i disagree with clinton on his economic and foreign policy, and he was responsible for genocide in bosnia, and i think what he did to haiti over the rice farmers was criminal, but since he told the truth about monica sucking his dick, i will vote for him again!"

i still think that once you believe you can change people's behavior, that is the first step towards being captain save a hoe. never mind if you are a behaviorist or a cognitive therapist.

my recommendation would be to not become so emotionally involved over issues like lateness. if they show up on time that is nice, but if not then go your own way. it is your vacation.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1536581]Some of us have said many times "It doesn't get any better than this", especially at the playa enjoying the view, the clear water, shooting the breeze, having a nice meal, girl watching and / or hunting, or taking a nap. The simple pleasure of life. Nothing extravagant. You don't have to drive your luxury car like you would back at home, no need to wear expensive clothes, or impress people with "your stuff". You can be as simplistic as you want. And the best part is, many of us are enjoying the beautiful weather after escaping all the cold weather and snow back where it is cold.

Other than that. My Montellano chica and I spent a good night together.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your post (and the start of getting this thread back on track). I am heading to Sosua in a couple of weeks and looking forward to having a great time, meeting new friends, and seeing what this place is all about.

[quote=frannie; 1536584]i still think that once you believe you can change people's behavior, that is the first step towards being captain save a hoe. never mind if you are a behaviorist or a cognitive therapist.[/quote]perhaps he is trying to change: his message was a lot better this morning when he did not opine on women.

some people have a one pony trick and so their message is a "cut and paste" every day. for such people, paraphrasing oscar wilde,"the worse thing than being talked about is not being talked about at all".

[QUOTE=OldKool;1536444]Fuck it it had to be sad cause all the right thinking folk are applauding.[/QUOTE]Kudos that you are not and there are others. I too am tired of the "complain, repeat" routine.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1536566]If you've been paying attention, I have brought to the surface statements you wrote about 6 months ago, to illustrate a point with another poster. And it appears that it may be appropriate to address it again. What you say here with Mr E, basically contradicts what you said in October in regards to dealing with chicas and behavior.

Have another look to see what I mean. You had already indicated that chicas have to be trained like dogs. And you indicated a rather simple process in accomplishing that.[/QUOTE]Look here is the thing about dogs. I used to work as a weekend administrator at a large hospital and was responsible for scheduling and managing about 300 employees on the typical weekend or holiday-doctors, nurses, techs, kitchen staff, cleaners, security-everybody.

It was important that people showed up for work, preferably on time so that the previous shift could go home, to manage overtime costs, to meet statutory requirement such as Medicare rules, and to provide effective quality care to patients and their families.

Employees would come up with all sorts of spurious reasons why they were late or absent and most of it would be lies. That is just normal human behavior, and one has to manage it, no matter how angry one would like to become.

For example a $30 per hour nurse calls and says she is taking sick leave on a public holiday, but you know perfectly well that she works part time for an agency that pays $90 per hour for working on holidays in some other hospital. So today she is getting $30 per hour from you, plus $90 per hour from someone else.

You have an employee who calls and says he / she ate something at McDonalds last night and have been having diarrhea and vomiting all night. You say fine, you will call the Public Health Department to report this and they will probably come to interview the employee about this outbreak of food poisoning. Half an hour later the employee calls to say they took some pills and are feeling better already and maybe it was the home brewed beer, not McDonalds.

You have an employee who you know is a heavy drinker who calls at 5:00 a. M. And says his / her car will not start and it is being towed. Yeah, right.

People do this all the time, even responsible employees in what you may regard as the best health care system in the world. It is not worth losing any sleep over, and you just have to treat them like dogs. Don't pay any attention to what they say, just focus on the behavior (absenteeism) and managing the consequences (gaps in scheduled services).

You are on vacation and a prostitute calls to say she is running late for an appointment. You suspect she is "cheating" on you. Get over it! Tell her you are amused at her presumption and ask if the sex was good with the other guy. Make her suck your dick while she tells you about it. Make her say "Papi only your guevo makes me feel good" while you tell her "Mami, no other woman makes me hard like you do" It is all lies, but it is all good fun.

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[quote=frannie; 1536584]i still think that once you believe you can change people's behavior, that is the first step towards being captain save a hoe. never mind if you are a behaviorist or a cognitive therapist.

/quote]perhaps he is trying to change: his message was a lot better this morning when he did not opine on women.

some people have a one pony trick and so their message is a "cut and paste" every day. for such people, paraphrasing oscar wilde,"the worse thing than being talked about is not being talked about at all".[/quote]well oscar wilde surely knew a thing or two about mongering. he said "true friends stab you in the front."

he also said "women are made to be loved, not understood."

[QUOTE=Surfer500; 1535843]The times I stopped my car to allow a pedestrian or another motorist to have the right a way. I have seen people hesitate to move because they don't expect anyone to do that.

One of the hardest things I have dealing with here is that pedestrians don't have the right of way here and you will just get run over! A few days ago a Dominican in a car stopped to let me cross the street. I came up to him and thanked him for being so considerate. What a breath of fresh air.[/QUOTE]I've never seen a race of people more nonchalant about crossing the street than Dominicans in Sosua! They will step out into the road without even thinking of looking to see if a car is coming or not! Its no surprise that so many are killed every year from auto / moto accidents

[QUOTE=OldKool;1536445]If you want to be treated well you need to be respectful. DR putas are not the same as American Hos. I like you love the cupid and semi pros they bring a level of affection that is very refreshing and worth the effort and money it may cost. Waking up next to lovely young lady who has not sucked 5 or 6 other dicks that week is a good thing. Kissing a women who kisses you back with passion. You got to learn some Spanish and enjoy latin dancing and food. Hey but sport fucking 19 year old pussy in Sosua is real cool and should not be taken for granite.[/QUOTE]Haven 123 & Old Kool where all on the same page regarding the dating site girls / semi-pro's and the sport fucking available from the Strip. Live long and prosper!

SavePros 321,

If I have offended you I apologize. If you have been reading my reports since my visits in December and earlier this month you would of noticed that several of my reports have been "color-full" and nothing to do with the color of someone's skin. It's not the color of someones skin that matters, but what's below the skin that matters.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1536584]Yes, but if you read carefully what I wrote before I said that with regard to lateness, you will see that I say first make a reasonable allowance for contingencies. I would say you did not do this, especially as she did call to say she was running late. OK, she said five minutes and showed up twenty five minutes later, but a lot of these chicas have little sense of time. People are no different in the US.[/QUOTE]You are mistaken. And you don't read very well. I said she was already late before she called to say she will there in 5 minutes and took an additional 25 minutes on top of her already being late. I didn't say she called at 10 or before 10 to say she was running late. Obviously if she wasnt there at 10, don't you think I already knew she was late? I didn't need no phone call after 20 minutes to tell me she was running late. You can make any excuse you want, misinterpret what I said, or twist the details anyway you want. I handled it the way I thought was best for me.

[quote]Anyway you didn't make a reasonable allowance for contingencies.[/quote]Wrong again. You know why? One, you don't have any information or a clue of why she was late? And two, I never posted why she was late. And three, I waited for her, until she showed up. So tell me, how is it, I did not make allowances for contingencies if I waited until she got there? Moreover, I walked her into my apartment and allowed her to fix a sandwich. ONLY When she told me that she could only stay 3 hours, thats when I told her that I was not interested in that offer for the night. And told her that we will get together another night. So your assumption that my reaction to her being late was unreasonable, is somewhere out in left field. And I know you don't have it in you to acknowledge that major blunder, so I'll just accept the fact that I know the deal.

[quote]but a bit different from showing up a bit late, when clearly the chica had been spending time fixing herself up to look good, for whatever reason.[/quote]Makes no difference. If you are late, and fail be considerate enough to call, you may have to deal with the potential consequences for that decision. If you try to change a plan without 1st discussing it, you may have to deal with the potential consequences for that decision.

[QUOTE]This girl is a prostitute who showed up a bit late for a prearranged 10:00 pm date, which is about par for the course. It was not like you had to leave at 11:00 pm to go to the airport to catch your flight home, in which case you might well want to grab another chica if she did not show up.[/Quote]Assuming she is a prostitute, according to you, you just confirmed that how I handled the situation was quite reasonable. And BTW, I did grab another chica, after that chica was gone. Or did you miss that?

[QUOTE]It sounds like you had a bit of a crush on this chica and were just bent out of shape when it became apparent that to her you were just another tourist client.[/QUOTE]No, it sounds more like you don't have anything substantive to rebut. Especially since I handled the situation perfectly, and enjoyed the rest of the night.

[QUOTE]Maybe she did intend to look for another client later, or maybe she was just trying to make a good impression on you. We shall never know. Who cares? Move on.[/QUOTE]Enjoying time with another chica, I moved on quite nicely.

[QUOTE]My recommendation would be to not become so emotionally involved over issues like lateness. If they show up on time that is nice, but if not then go your own way. It is your vacation.[/QUOTE]My recommendation for you is this : Try to remember that I only think in one head. I don't feel the emotions you and your buddies try to assign to me. It's obvious that these emotions are running deep inside of you all, other wise you wouldn't have made it an issue to respond to it.

It's to the point now, others can clearly see that you and your buddies have an emotional connection to what I post. But it's to the point now, it's more about who is posting rather than what I post. It is quite obvious. The most important element missing from the attempts I see to express disdain / disagreement for what I post, is that there is a failure to give valid reasons / perspective to support the statements that are being made. All I ask, is for you and others to provide that information so anyone can offer a reasonable rebuttal, rather than to keep correcting you on the erroneous conclusions and misinterpretations we keep seeing. Can you do that? Will you do that?

[QUOTE=Frannie;1536124]They are not licensed professionals, they are just poor women trying to make a buck while they are still young enough to sell their only sellable asset. Over the years I have been amazed how nice most of them are, but of course there are always going to be a few bad apples.[/QUOTE]I agree most of the ladies I have been with in the DR are not as street wise as most of us mongers and that always is a treat for me because most of the places I have mongered the lady is slicker then me.

I was at the playa yesterday, enjoying the day. The restaurant chica (the 45 minutes late chica, or "the prostitute") called. She was working on the playa, and when she was off, stopped by where I was to see if we could get together. I said possibly, but it will be later. I asked where she was going now. I could tell she was hesitant to answer that question, but she said, home. Her hesitancy was probably because she wanted to stick around so her and I could hook up, instead of her having to go home and come back later.

Nevertheless, I wanted to spend time with my friends early evening and then afterwards, she could come over. Turns out she decided to wait around in Sosua, or where ever. We spoke about what time I would get back home, and when she was coming over. Well when I got home, she had already beat me to my spot and was waiting for me when I got there.

We had a great time with each other, the whole night. So she must have got the message straight from the other night. See? Like my posting buddy said, all you have to do is be assertive, unambiguous, blah blah blah. Say what you mean, and mean what you say, and you will be fine.

[QUOTE=Phuquer;1536593]Thank you for your post (and the start of getting this thread back on track). I am heading to Sosua in a couple of weeks and looking forward to having a great time, meeting new friends, and seeing what this place is all about.[/QUOTE]The flow of this forum is like waves at the beach. Like any forum, you extract the good, and discard the non essential.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1537150]The flow of this forum is like waves at the beach.[/QUOTE]Agreed. I may not handle things the way you did with the restaurant chick (that's not my style) , but I respect that that's the way you decided to handle the situation and you were satisfied with the outcome and that's all that matters. Me arguing with you is like someone arguing with someone else who paid $200 for an escort in BKK and had a great time. I would never hire an escort, nor would I ever pay $200 in Bangkok, but he did and that's that. It's just a story. No more, no less.

Moving on, and at the risk of being told to RTFF, are any massage places in Sosua open again, are they worth going to, and do they provide extras? I am looking to find a couple of daytime activities while I am there.

Its almost 2 years since I was in Sosua, although I've been down with family to Punta Cana and Cayo Leventado (never really got off the reservation except for one glorious night when I bummed a ride on the service staff boat to Samana with nothing but my bank card. Came back next morning dehydrated, hung over, but very happy.).

Anyway I'm looking forward to a week in my old Paradise.

Logged in here (still works) and perused the latest gossip.

Nothing much has changed in the forum, the usual whiners who have never realized that mongering in Sosua is one of our lowest forms of civilization, but somehow are disappointed when the putas actually act like putas. They're shocked and outraged "Unacceptable behavior", they righteously scream. Where's the Chica Ombudsman when you need one? .

Then like a lot of guys we've had the misfortune to meet on the plane, the bar, or the hotel, go on ad nauseum seeking approval of their behavior."It's not me, it's her!"

Anyways I was wondering if the Bermuda is now glassed in, is Thomas still there, and if the Happy Bar is still alive.

I have lost touch with my old link to Sosua, La Princessa.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1537306]Anyway I'm looking forward to a week in my old Paradise.[/QUOTE]When are you heading down? I'll be there on 3/14.

Just a heads up and also for those that like the Black Bike Week or Freaknik type events, the guy who manages V House will have another event this year. Last year, there were professional ballers in town including NBA and NFL players along with video girls from the USA. Here is the website: [url]http://drbeachfestival.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=Phuquer;1537322]When are you heading down? I'll be there on 3/14.[/QUOTE]I'll be there March 2 through 9.

Last minute booking. Just decided today.

Too bad. Would have liked to hang out. No problem. You provide the foreplay, and I'll give the girls the main course! :P

Seriously though, I'm looking forward to reading your up to date field reports as I will be going right after you get back.

Have a safe trip and enjoy.

[QUOTE=Phuquer; 1537329]Too bad. Would have liked to hang out. No problem. You provide the foreplay, and I'll give the girls the main course! :P

Seriously though, I'm looking forward to reading your up to date field reports as I will be going right after you get back.

Have a safe trip and enjoy.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I'll leave the drink of your choice in the taps at the Bermuda for you. (Mr. F)

[QUOTE=Oakie; 1537306]Its almost 2 years since I was in Sosua, although I've been down with family to Punta Cana and Cayo Leventado (never really got off the reservation except for one glorious night when I bummed a ride on the service staff boat to Samana with nothing but my bank card. Came back next morning dehydrated, hung over, but very happy.).

Anyway I'm looking forward to a week in my old Paradise.

Logged in here (still works) and perused the latest gossip.

Nothing much has changed in the forum, the usual whiners who have never realized that mongering in Sosua is one of our lowest forms of civilization, but somehow are disappointed when the putas actually act like putas. They're shocked and outraged "Unacceptable behavior", they righteously scream. Where's the Chica Ombudsman when you need one? .

I have lost touch with my old link to Sosua, La Princessa.[/QUOTE]Oakie, long time no see! What's it been about 3 or 4 years since you've logged into this forum?

How did everything go getting La Princessa up to Canada? I believe that is where you left off on ISG. You sort of disappeared after that!

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1536648]Look here is the thing about dogs. I used to work as a weekend administrator at a large hospital and was responsible for scheduling and managing about 300 employees on the typical weekend or holiday-doctors, nurses, techs, kitchen staff, cleaners, security-everybody.

It was important that people showed up for work, preferably on time so that the previous shift could go home, to manage overtime costs, to meet statutory requirement such as Medicare rules, and to provide effective quality care to patients and their families.

Employees would come up with all sorts of spurious reasons why they were late or absent and most of it would be lies. That is just normal human behavior, and one has to manage it, no matter how angry one would like to become.

For example a $30 per hour nurse calls and says she is taking sick leave on a public holiday, but you know perfectly well that she works part time for an agency that pays $90 per hour for working on holidays in some other hospital. So today she is getting $30 per hour from you, plus $90 per hour from someone else.

You have an employee who calls and says he / she ate something at McDonalds last night and have been having diarrhea and vomiting all night. You say fine, you will call the Public Health Department to report this and they will probably come to interview the employee about this outbreak of food poisoning. Half an hour later the employee calls to say they took some pills and are feeling better already and maybe it was the home brewed beer, not McDonalds.

You have an employee who you know is a heavy drinker who calls at 5:00 am And says his / her car will not start and it is being towed. Yeah, right.

People do this all the time, even responsible employees in what you may regard as the best health care system in the world. It is not worth losing any sleep over, and you just have to treat them like dogs. Don't pay any attention to what they say, just focus on the behavior (absenteeism) and managing the consequences (gaps in scheduled services).

You are on vacation and a prostitute calls to say she is running late for an appointment. You suspect she is "cheating" on you. Get over it! Tell her you are amused at her presumption and ask if the sex was good with the other guy. Make her suck your dick while she tells you about it. Make her say "Papi only your guevo makes me feel good" while you tell her "Mami, no other woman makes me hard like you do" It is all lies, but it is all good fun.[/QUOTE]This should be a "best of" post. I partake of the game at home as well as abroad. Regardless of the situation these girls will find a way to complicate it. I run a business that requires an immense amount of planning and scheduling in a 1st world country where everyone is time centric, and I deal with it. Now move my obsessive compulsive ass to a third world country where time stands still and in their eyes I'm a freak. Got to take the dial from 11 to about 2.

I waited for one FL here for an hour in my car. It was the middle of winter. Turned out it was time well spent.

I'm out of here next Friday! I get to go to 2 for a month.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1537306]Where's the Chica Ombudsman when you need one?[/QUOTE]Almost doubled over, laughing!

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1537482]This should be a "best of" post.[/QUOTE]Completely agree!

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1537469]Oakie, long time no see! What's it been about 3 or 4 years since you've logged into this forum?

How did everything go getting La Princessa up to Canada? I believe that is where you left off on ISG. You sort of disappeared after that![/QUOTE]Hey Save a Pro!

Its a long story, but the bottom line is that all the advice I got from here, both positive (from you and Coolie) and negative (from most of the others) was in its own way more or less correct.

I always said I would let the forum know how things worked out, but there was not really any finale to it. It just petered out.

I tried for two years to get her papers in order, both she and I spent a lot of time at the Canadian consulate in SD (manned by Dominican employees) explaining why she should be allowed to come for a simple vacation. This involved putting money in her bank account, and sending her two tickets. At least one visa expired due to my rigid schedule control, her adopted daughter's schooling, and her son's annual summer vacation with her (which she considered sacrosant). A hurricane on the way to the airport with her mother and her brother also got in the way one time.

If I hadn't been so rigid on the timing at my end, it could have worked, but then I wouldn't have been in control of the situation. For the same reason I refused to give her a ring and a firm offer of commitment (marriage?) which would have helped with the Consulate who actually told me, insultingly, that they were in the business of preventing guys exporting putas to work their trade in other countries.

In the meantime her bank account gradually got depleted (what else?) the Western Union money was flowing, and I finally gave up. She's still there, and I'm still here. I stopped returning her phone calls and texts.

I would say this, for all the other romantics out there, true love would find a way, that If we really felt we were in love with each other it would have been much easier, but I wanted to keep control with little commitment. I wasn't ready to marry her (and her family). You can't have it both ways, I guess.

The Good news. While this was going on I met in my home town, a part time Japanese student / stripper who in return for me "helping" her gave me more than I could have dreamed of. No hassle, no drama, she lives close by, and drives! It's been two years now, and I'm saving money.

But, this winter is driving me nuts, and I need some sun on my aging body.

La Princessa has family working all over town, so it'll be interesting to see if my cover get's blown. I really wouldn't be sorry if it did. Besides with a detailed post like this, I feel I'm exposing myself anyway. But it's all true, so I don't give a shit at this point in my life.

Now tell me what's going with you?

[QUOTE=Oakie;1537854]La Princessa has family working all over town, so it'll be interesting to see if my cover get's blown. I really wouldn't be sorry if it did. Besides with a detailed post like this, I feel I'm exposing myself anyway. But it's all true, so I don't give a shit at this point in my life.[/QUOTE]Wow. What a great story. I am glad you found happiness. Don't worry about having your cover blown. Go there like it's your first time. Keep a low profile. Don't bring attention to yourself and nobody will know you are there. So many people go there every single day that it's virtually impossible for anybody to put two and two together and figure out that you are there. They are busy thinking about other things to check out every single person around. I think you will be fine.

[quote=oakie; 1537854]hey save a pro!

its a long story, but the bottom line is that all the advice i got from here, both positive (from you and coolie) and negative (from most of the others) was in its own way more or less correct.

i always said i would let the forum know how things worked out, but there was not really any finale to it. it just petered out.

i tried for two years to get her papers in order, both she and i spent a lot of time at the canadian consulate in sd (manned by dominican employees) explaining why she should be allowed to come for a simple vacation. this involved putting money in her bank account, and sending her two tickets. at least one visa expired due to my rigid schedule control, her adopted daughter's schooling, and her son's annual summer vacation with her (which she considered sacrosant). a hurricane on the way to the airport with her mother and her brother also got in the way one time.

if i hadn't been so rigid on the timing at my end, it could have worked, but then i wouldn't have been in control of the situation. for the same reason i refused to give her a ring and a firm offer of commitment (marriage?) which would have helped with the consulate who actually told me, insultingly, that they were in the business of preventing guys exporting putas to work their trade in other countries.

in the meantime her bank account gradually got depleted (what else?) the western union money was flowing, and i finally gave up. she's still there, and i'm still here. i stopped returning her phone calls and texts.

now tell me what's going with you?[/quote]oakie, it's great to have you back. i'm glad you emerged from this story mostly unrep001hed. i believe you've mentioned you had the financial means to experiement with this. honestly it would have bankrupted most of us. but i am not going to start flaming you for trying, and i would hope you would ignore all the people that may try to flame you. you are actually in a unique position to advise any newbies of the pitfalls and headache they may experience trying to go down this road.

as for me; after multiple trips to sosua since 2008, my last trip to sosua was in may 2012. later that year i went to colombia, and the rest is history, lol. i've been trying my best to get back to the dominican republic, but colombia currently has my dick and balls in a (gently) vice grip, so it doesn't look hopeful, lol.

anyway, welcome back. hopefully you will branch out from sosua and explore the entire island. ignore any temptation to seek out la princessa trying to rekindle an old flame. if you think you are about to "fall off the wagon" again, seek out cuba dave and he'll coach you on the "big papi" vs. "pocket change" philosophy (you want to be "pocket change" [url]http://youtu.be/rxp5yu0552e[/url]).

most importantly, have fun!

-sp-

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1537872]If you think you are about to "fall off the wagon" again, seek out Cuba Dave and he'll coach you on the "Big Papi" vs."Pocket Change" philosophy (you want to be "Pocket Change"

[url]http://youtu.be/rXP5yu0552E[/url][/QUOTE]Of course he made sense with the message he was conveying, but with all the mongering he has done in Latin America does he know anything about Spanish? The root word "papa" means daddy. When you substitute the second "a" with an "i" it puts the root in the diminutive (smaller) form to make papi, meaning "little daddy." If you substitute the second "a" with an "o" it puts the root in the augmentative (bigger) form to make papo, meaning "big daddy." Hence, saying Big Papi (Big Little Daddy) don't make no sense at all.

[QUOTE=Phuquer; 1537186]Agreed. I may not handle things the way you did with the restaurant chick (that's not my style) , but I respect that that's the way you decided to handle the situation and you were satisfied with the outcome and that's all that matters. Me arguing with you is like someone arguing with someone else who paid $200 for an escort in BKK and had a great time. I would never hire an escort, nor would I ever pay $200 in Bangkok, but he did and that's that. It's just a story. No more, no less.

Moving on, and at the risk of being told to RTFF, are any massage places in Sosua open again, are they worth going to, and do they provide extras? I am looking to find a couple of daytime activities while I am there.[/QUOTE]I hear man. You would not handle things the way I did. I wish I knew why re scheduling with a chica was such a hard pill to swallow for a few cats. I mean you would have thought I mistreated the chica or she was my GF?

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1537898]Of course he made sense with the message he was conveying, but with all the mongering he has done in Latin America does he know anything about Spanish? The root word "papa" means daddy. When you substitute the second "a" with an "i" it puts the root in the diminutive (smaller) form to make papi, meaning "little daddy." If you substitute the second "a" with an "o" it puts the root in the augmentative (bigger) form to make papo, meaning "big daddy." Hence, saying Big Papi (Big Little Daddy) don't make no sense at all.[/QUOTE]Recall that Boston Red Sox player David Ortiz is called "Big Papi."

Changing Papa' to Papi, changes the word from Dad to Daddy, but I wouldn't go so far as to include "little" in the meaning.

Papi is an affectionate term for Daddy, and "Big Papi" translates as "Big Daddy"

[quote=mr enternational;1537898]of course he made sense with the message he was conveying, but with all the mongering he has done in latin america does he know anything about spanish? the root word "papa" means daddy. when you substitute the second "a" with an "i" it puts the root in the diminutive (smaller) form to make papi, meaning "little daddy." if you substitute the second "a" with an "o" it puts the root in the augmentative (bigger) form to make papo, meaning "big daddy." hence, saying big papi (big little daddy) don't make no sense at all.[/quote]most languages are a lot more flexible and open to playing around with apparent contradictions than you are suggesting. never heard of the movie "little big man"?

there is a figure of speech called "oxymoron", meaning a self-contradiction, which has been effectively used by writers since the time of homer.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo; 1283604]This is how we used to kill time in the daytime in the " Old Sosua".

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5W10bKTbaA&feature=youtu.be[/url][/QUOTE]Yeah, I remember how it used to be back in the day. A lot of new jacks will never know about things like Clasicos, Pasions and cheap fares into POP either, but you can't miss what you never had.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1538272]Yeah, I remember how it used to be back in the day. A lot of new jacks will never know about things like Clasicos, Pasions and cheap fares into POP either, but you can't miss what you never had.[/QUOTE]Not to mention big disco which was closed down. Name eludes me All the girls and guys used to go there. No need to rub elbows because it was really nice with big open areas and big dance floor. I used to park right near the entrance and just tipped the attendant there. Cannot find cheap airfares anymore because the travel agencies and resorts book them by the block.

There were couple of brothels on the main strip. All you need to pay is barfine of 100 pesos. After that you negotiate with the girl. There were quite a few lookers.

Attached is one of them.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1538306]Not to mention big disco which was closed down. Name eludes me.[/QUOTE]High Caribe?

In those days Puerto Plata was a more active place for mongering than Sosua.

[quote=charles pooter; 1538003]most languages are a lot more flexible and open to playing around with apparent contradictions than you are suggesting. never heard of the movie "little big man"?

there is a figure of speech called "oxymoron", meaning a self-contradiction, which has been effectively used by writers since the time of homer.[/quote]lol! what has gotten unto you charles pooter. homer and oxymoron. i thought you left all that dumb stuff to the indians.

[quote=savepros321; 1537872]oakie, it's great to have you back. i'm glad you emerged from this story mostly unrep001hed. i believe you've mentioned you had the financial means to experiement with this. honestly it would have bankrupted most of us. but i am not going to start flaming you for trying, and i would hope you would ignore all the people that may try to flame you. you are actually in a unique position to advise any newbies of the pitfalls and headache they may experience trying to go down this road.

as for me; after multiple trips to sosua since 2008, my last trip to sosua was in may 2012. later that year i went to colombia, and the rest is history, lol. i've been trying my best to get back to the dominican republic, but colombia currently has my dick and balls in a (gently) vice grip, so it doesn't look hopeful, lol.

anyway, welcome back. hopefully you will branch out from sosua and explore the entire island. ignore any temptation to seek out la princessa trying to rekindle an old flame. if you think you are about to "fall off the wagon" again, seek out cuba dave and he'll coach you on the "big papi" vs."pocket change" philosophy (you want to be "pocket change"

[url]http://youtu.be/rxp5yu0552e[/url]

).

most importantly, have fun!

-sp-[/quote]it wasn't that bad, financially. i figured it was actually cheaper than having a steady girlfiend / wife, especially since now i wasn't going down there every couple months or so. i did set limits, and when that limit was reached that was it. (it wasn't like i was giving her an apartment, moto concho, expensive jewelry or even a car, which i know some guys have)

the consensus here was that "cut off the money and see what happens", but after a couple years she is still calling and messaging, and on my facebook, etc. since i haven't replied or acknowledged her during that time, she is only now beginning to ease off.

i'm curious about "columbia", so i'll get on that forum and hope to see you there. if it's better than sosua, i can only imagine!

thanks for the cubadave link. he says it all, but he subscribes to the "they're all the same" theory, which misses a lot, and takes the adventure away it from it all. there is the rare one that has a level of maturity, sophistication, sense of humor that rises miles above the endless parade of simple working chicas. i know, i've "auditioned" lots of them over time, and never found one that i could ever have anything in common with, much less dare to introduce them to some of my family, which i did with her, and she handled herself perfectly in that situation. she is the head of her extended family (s) and i spent most of my time down there with them. i saw where a lot of the money going over time, mostly to the family (s) for things like a refrigerator, beds, stuff for the kids, etc, and they would thank me personally and show me proudly what my money had bought. my version of charitable contribution to the third world (and great sex).

it just felt good, and for me that's what it's all about.

the money you spend on chicas, is gone forever, but with a regular, the returns build up over time, and you don't need money every time you go out, or want to get laid. they learn what you like, and you learn what she likes. there's no surprises, disappointments, or trouble of any kind.

sorta like leasing a car, as opposed to going through the hassle of hiring one every day.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1536698]I've never seen a race of people more nonchalant about crossing the street than Dominicans in Sosua! They will step out into the road without even thinking of looking to see if a car is coming or not! Its no surprise that so many are killed every year from auto / moto accidents[/QUOTE]I must have seen about 200 plus dominicans in the last month and a half that could have been killed or seriously injured doing just what you said. They might be walking or driving, makes no difference. Take driving. They may have a blind spot as they approach an intersection, and instead of stopping and looking both ways, will try to roll through that intersection and almost cause an accident. Or you might come to a corner to make a right (in your own vehicle) , and several motos will pass you on the right to make the same turn, except at the risk of being crushed by the vehicle they are passing. Another classic is when a moto moves from a parked position or turns a corner to enter into traffic, and then only looks to see if it is clear after they get into traffic. It's to the point now, I anticipate most of that stupidity even before it happens.

I watched a video of Sosua night life. What was clear is that there are scores of under 20 sweeties as fresh as new snow. These are the chicas that make me smile

[QUOTE=Camaro1257; 1532945]Introduction:

I have recently returned from spending time in the Dominican Republic. I spent 2 days in Sosua. 5 days in Santo Domingo and I returned to Sosua and spent another 5 days. I wasn't going to write another synopsis on Sosua since it has been covered at nauseam but I changed my mindbecause I have some thoughts I'd like to share and I wanted to present a current update for all who were interested. Some of the information contained in this synopsis is well known to veteran mongers but new information to others, my objective is to be as informative as possible to all who are interested. Below I have listed my notes for your review:[/QUOTE]Thanks for the detailed report. Much appreciated. I will be in Sosua March 14. Hope to see you. Bunda.

Can someone confirm there are Casinos in Sosua.

Please let me know the names / options available.

I have checked on line but can not confirm which are open and which are closed. Thanks

Did anyone do carnaval this year? I saw this interesting article about the KKK marching in Santo Domingo: [url]http://www.7dias.com.do/destacada/2014/03/02/i158897_quien-ministerio-cultura-autorizo-desfile-comparsa-klux-klana.html#.UxZpOSgm1SW[/url]

[QUOTE=Mfins; 1539589]Can someone confirm there are Casinos in Sosua.

Please let me know the names / options available.

I have checked on line but can not confirm which are open and which are closed. Thanks[/QUOTE]Don't know the name but there is a casino near the beach in town where there is a disco which has some table games and ancient machines.

In addition to this there are other places with machines in town as well.

Totally third world as far as Casino's go in Sosua. Your better pressed to blow your dough on the girls on the Strip!

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1539609]Did anyone do carnaval this year? I saw this interesting article about the KKK marching in Santo Domingo:

[url]http://www.7dias.com.do/destacada/2014/03/02/i158897_quien-ministerio-cultura-autorizo-desfile-comparsa-klux-klana.html#.UxZpOSgm1SW[/url][/QUOTE]I am the last person to defend Dominicans against accusations of racism, but I strongly doubt if those people had any connection with the KKK, and probably have little or no idea what the KKK actually stands for. As far as they were concerned they were just cheap-to-make "spooky" costumes as a change from the usual ghostly or devilish themes. Might well have been black Dominicans inside the costumes, they are just as ignorant and racist as white ones.

A few of my regulars have left Sosua for whatever reason. Others still here I'm cool with but just may not have much interest in getting with them. I'm certain some guys can relate. Some chicas you have more interest in fucking over others. Something about them that makes you get stiff just thinking about fucking them. And you can have others you had good times with, but the "been there done that" type of feeling within kills the desire to get with them. Meanwhile when you run into them, all they are trying to do is get you to take them. They may not care about your reasons. And when you don't, they "act" like you don't like them anymore, or something on that level.

But what concerns me, is I don't want a nut, just to get a nut. And why spend good money if you really arent fully into the chica? I want to enjoy an experience with someone who enhances my vacation. That could be with someone I had before, and my body misses what she puts out, or it could be someone I haven't had before. My preference leans more to taking the risk of experiencing someone I haven't had before.

Well 3/1 there is this young dark Haitian chica with a basketball ass that strolls all over the immediate strip area, also in Rumbas and D'Latins, and around Bar Central. She seems to like wearing a polka dot blouse or something similar, and dark tight jeans that shows off her nice round ass. I may have seen her with tight shorts on but mostly with those jeans. She isn't aggressive, but she makes her presence known because she strolls around the clubs or on the street. You make eye contact and she may be all over you. Had no intel on her, but since she was Haitian I thought perhaps she might be a good performer. NOT!

My situation with her was like buying something, and after you buy it, people who bought the same item come out of nowhere giving you information you could have used before buying the item. I could have used that info. My buddy who left on 2/13 had tried her out, and his experience with her was a thumbs down, then a buddy who showed up yesterday (3/5) he had a similar uneventful experience. Basically 3 guys can attest to her being a cute chica with a nice body, but can't do anything with it. No oral skills, pussy as tight as an asshole, and has no clue what she could do to satisfy a client. Ironically, when my buddy who arrived yesterday saw her, he talked briefly with the chica.

I was standing about 20 ft away, and wanted to warn him, but couldn't. He walked away from her, and when we started walking together, we both started talking about the chica. He started telling me about how she was a lousy experience some time ago, and just when I was about to share my recent experience, the chica came up behind us. Apparently, since she was with both of us, she figured we were probably talking about her in that moment. So she hurried up behind us to see if she could hear what we might be saying about her. She was on my side."What are you talking about?" "I asked her what are you talking about?" She says,"I hear you saying something about me" "I am talking to him, not to you" "I told you before, what happened with us is my problem, didn't I tell you that?" "I told you before, I don't have a problem with you, it was me" "I told you, you are a good woman, we have no problem with each other. I speak to you, even if you think I have a problem with you"

That exchange seemed to squash her concern about us talking about her. So I thought. About an hour and a half later one of the begging kids comes up to me by the German restaurant next to Bar Central, to tell me that a chica hit my car. Now I did have my rental car, but it was parked across from the side entrance of Rumba. Whereas my buddies rental was parked next to the salon around the corner, across from Rockys. I asked the kid where was my car parked. He pointed to where my buddies rental was. My buddy was in Rumba talking to a chica, so before I called him, I took a walk around the corner to see if there was any damage to his car.

I found a slight crease on the back quarter panel, and where the marker light is supposed to be on the front quarter panel, there was a hole where the light should be. I called him after I got back to the restaurant. He made it back to his car and was about to drive off. I told him what the kid said. He got out to look, and said he isn't sure about none of the existing damage. I asked him did he check the car out before he took possession of the car? Apparently he didn't. Said he will bring the car back to the rental guy and find out. I think his rental receipt may indicate any existing damage.

Personally I think it is a bad idea to take possession of any car rental without inspecting it 1st for existing damage. In fact, take pictures of the car. I remember renting from Noel at hotel Seabreeze, and forgetting to do that. The windshield had a crack in it, but I didn't remember if it was there before or after I took possession. The chica at Seabreeze was going to report the damage as something that occurred while the vehicle was in my possession. That was just her protecting her bosses interest. Turns out Noel knew about the damage all along. And that is what saved me from being responsible for damage that wasnt my fault.

Other than that, it's best to get well out of ear shot of chicas who might get easily upset if they think someone is causing them to lose business. She knew the color of my car rental. So if she was responsible for any damage to my buddies rental, she probably was upset with him that he snubbed her on the street. After she tried to convince him to take her. When I was with that chica she was visibly confused and got real quiet that I ended our session and took her back to the strip. She had asked for me to put up with her some more, but I just couldn't. I just wanted to pay her to leave, rather than endure being turned off more than I already was. What a waste of a pretty nice looking chica. I hope for somebody their experience was better, but I doubt it. Good times coming, in the next reports.

Does anyone knows what's the max amount you can withdrawal at one time from Scotia Bank in Sosua. How many Scotia bank and where they located.

I am not in Haitian mode or anything like that, it was just a coincidence I chose her.

This chica was a 180 degree difference from the younger Haitian chica from the previous day. I was sitting at Rumba with another buddy. There were plenty of chicas in there, but many I have been seeing every night that I came to Rumba. It had to be after 10 when I spotted the Haitian chica just about to come in the front entrance. Right off the bat, she looked and carried herself well. She did the usual runway chica stroll through the club towards the bathroom 1st, primp a little and then find a place to set up to capture her prey.

When she walked back towards my direction, I finally got her attention and had her sit with me. To which she seemed delighted that she had captured someones attention so soon. Within minutes, you should have seen the chicas that were passing me. The looks were a combination of why are you with that *****? Or looking at me as someone they would want to spend the night with. Ya know? When you have somebody women act like they want you. When you are by yourself and are available, they pay you less attention. It appeared I managed to garner a lot of attention from other chicas who had been sitting around waiting for company. The way me and her got along, you would have thought we knew each other, and I was waiting for her to get there.

Anyway, we drank and made small talk. Chica was very friendly, and constantly smiling. Teaching me a little french. We finished up, and left. No discussion on price, no discussion on how long. We appeared to be a couple who just met that looked like we wanted to spend time with each other. Kinda reminds of that classic song by Teddy Pendergras "Come And Go With Me". Where Teddy in the song is trying to convince the woman to leave the club and go with him, and how there won't be any kind of pressure, and the woman is finally convinced to go with him, blah blah blah.

Of course were dealing in p4p here, so we know there wasnt going to be any pressure, unless we disagree on something. But that night it was bang zoom. 1st she gave me a great ass massage. And not just some body rub for 5 minutes. She put in some work as if she enjoyed what she was doing. I did the same for her. When we got to the oral, she took as much time as it required to get me off. And her oral skills was on point. The juice box stayed wet throughout the night. Her ass was round and soft. It felt good in your hands. Whether you cupped it when you were on top, from behind or her on top. That other Haitian chica I was with could sure use some lessons from this chica on how to satisfy a man.

Like I said, we never discussed price or how long. She stayed all night, and in the morning paid her 2100 pesos. Put the money in her purse. Chica never even looked at it in my presence, like some chicas do. I ended up dropping her off to her spot. Good experience. May repeat, but when I am ready for her. Saw her again last night at Rumba. Came to our table. Introduced her to my buddy who just arrived. He took her number, but he was still in scope out the talent mode. I told her, another night for us. She smiled and moved on. Cool chica so far.

Me and my buddy was at the beach. At some point we were checking out the chicas at the table near where we were sitting. One of them wearing a black and white stripped one piece outfit got up to leave. She was slim but not skinny. Round ass, nice full kissable lips. As they were passing from a distance, I waved to her. She suddenly turned to come over to us. I took her number and arranged for us to meet 7:30pm at Rumba.

Headed to Rumba to meet her, but while on my way I bump into her by Plan B bar going away from Rumba. I said I thought you were supposed to meet me at Rumba at 7:30? Chica acts clueless about what meeting someone a certain time and place is supposed to mean. She introduces me to the two family members she was walking with. If I hadn't of spotted her walking, I wouldn't have known she was not where she was supposed to be. Like I have said before, a lot of people in this country do not use common sense, or have good communication skills. We were whatsapping each other since we met on the beach, so it didnt make sense for her not to tell me she was not at Rumba, but she clearly wanted us to get together.

I told her in the car, if she wasnt going to be at Rumba at 7:30, then why didn't she call or text me to tell me? Moreover, she was supposed to meet me outside of Rumba, I wasnt going in. I was to scoop her up and we would head to my spot. I just wanted to know what she was thinking. All I got was "baby?" "Baby?"

Anyway, She says goodbye to her family, jumps in and we head towards Rumba. I'm thinking after this blunder, I better feel her out to see what other surprises that may be in store. We have one grande Presidente at Rumba before we leave for my spot.

In my spot, I ask if she's hungry. No, not hungry. Want a beer? Yes. 3 sips later, and a whole bottle of beer still on the night stand. I see I am going to have to buy beer shots for many of these chica, because many of them waste good food and drink. We showered and were off to bed. This chica by far was the most sex ready chica I have had in a long while. The juice box was wet all night long. Normally, I'm cool if I get two sessions in with a TLN chica. But this chica fucked 3 times, and would have fucked a 4th time in the morning if I wanted to. Every where I was in bed, she was right up on me. Kissing and cuddlling. Damn girl can you move on your side of the bed for an hour?

Those lips were suckable as hell. But ironically, she never did any oral on me. I did on her, but she stopped me shortly into it, because she did not want to come that way.

With her never discussed price, or how long. She stayed all night.

I'm sure my place was much more comfortable than her own.

In the morning, paid her 2200 pesos. Put it in her purse. Chica never looked at it in my presence. I could have paid her 2000, but I don't think that would have made a difference. 1500 perhaps would be a problem. She walked home, because her spot is that close to where I am. 22 yrs old, one child. Fun chica, but kinda flaky.

Hey,

I was looking to book a trip when I realized it was the week after Easter. Anybody have any experience on this week? I was looking to fly in the 21st or 22nd. Just want to make sure there will still be plenty of action going on.

Thanks guys.

Thank you WRX2005 for the informative field reports. I am definitely psyched about my upcoming trip. Too bad about that Haitian chick. I'm glad that nobody got hurt. What she did (if she did do it) was very stupid.

[QUOTE=Phuquer;1539927]Thank you WRX2005 for the informative field reports. I am definitely psyched about my upcoming trip. Too bad about that Haitian chick. I'm glad that nobody got hurt. What she did (if she did do it) was very stupid.[/QUOTE]She didn't do jack. Whatever I saw was existing damage. My buddy confirmed it with the rental guy. Either the kid had the wrong car or he was trying to get a propina for his fake ass "help".

I lean more towards the latter, especially since he didn't get where my car was parked. And has become somewhat of a seasoned hustler. Found out later the kid had already approached my buddy about somebody supposedly hittting his car.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1539970]She didn't do jack.[/QUOTE]Good, but I have seen shit like this explode. The kid almost got someone hurt. Now you said she has a pussy as tight as an asshole? I don't see that as a bad thing at all. I might have to look her up.

As I prepare for my trip to the DR tomorrow, I've been saddened by the news I have heard over the last month. Two Sosua mainstays have experienced tragedies, and my respect goes out to the families. Out of respect for the families I will not post details but anyone is free to PM me.

Jose; I've rented cars from Jose many times and he has always been a standup guy. His rental spot is next door to New Gardens on the same side of the street. If you leave NG and hang a right and walk 25 steps you will be at Joses office (He also sold cigars). He would usually be standing out front with the money changers or cleaning one of his Honda CRVs in the lot next to NG. Jose always had good cars and would always give me the 40 dollar special that included insurance and taxes. Truly a great guy.

Bill; was known to most guys as he was always the short dude walking everywhere. Bill worked for American airlines in Tampa and once dated a girl from Baileys. Bill moved to the DR 5 years ago and was always there when I went just walking and hanging out. Bill was a short white dude always smiling and walking. Once I'm there I will have verification of what I've heard, even though several sources have also confirmed what I've heard.

[QUOTE=Stebo419;1539845]Does anyone knows what's the max amount you can withdrawal at one time from Scotia Bank in Sosua. How many Scotia bank and where they located.[/QUOTE]There used to be a Scotia Bank branch in Sosua, but it has been closed down for maybe more than a year. You have to go to Cabarete or Puerto Plata for SB branches with ATM's. The only SB ATM I know of in Sosua is the one in the Farmacia / Metro bus station right on the corner of the main road (Route 5) and calle Dr. Rosen.

The max allowance from any SB ATM has usually been 10, 000 pesos per withdrawal. That means you would need to make several withdrawals to reach your limit for the day.

For instance. 10, 000 pesos is about 232 US dollars. So if your limit is a $1, 000 US per day. You should be able to make 4 withdrawals of 10, 000 pesos each to get close to your $1, 000 US dollar limit. However, very often the machine may be low on currency or out of service. Which may mean the machine is temporarily out of service because of a problem, or the withdrawal limit will be reduced to a lower amount. Like 5, 000 pesos per withdrawal instead of the 10, 000 pesos. If the SB ATM in Sosua is not available, and you prefer Scotia Bank, the branch in Caberete is closer than the one in Puerto Plata.

Bank of America is supposed to be a sister bank of SB. But since November, I have been charged 3% on my BOA debit card for every withdrawal I made. So a 10, 000 peso withdrawal would give about 232 US, and I would be charged $6. 95 (3%) for the transaction. Bank Of America still waives the $5 foreign transaction charge for each transaction you make. I called the bank directly to verify, since I was accustomed to completely free SB ATM withdrawals prior to Nov 12. I was spoiled when it was free. And was considering on never using the ATM's just to avoid any fees. But now I consider the 3% charge as just another expense I might need to include when I am away from home. Most of the cash I brought on 1/25 is almost spent except for $1,300 US. I don't want to spend it all, so I have been starting to resume using the ATM's so as to have enough peso spending cash, and US cash in case of an emergency. Hope this info helps? (Even if you don't live in the states.)

Just hopped on Cupid to get ready for my upcoming trip at the end of the month and I'm trying to talk to chicks who I don't even remember fucking before! Chick called me out:

Y cuando vienes otra vez aqui. Ya tu y yo tuvimos sexo una vez recuerda. Yo si recuerdo vinieste con tus amigos m llamste yo fui a sosua y me llevaste a un otel en donde tu estaba y e fui a el otro dia en la mañana

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1540288].I'm trying to talk to chicks who I don't even remember fucking before! Chick called me out:[/QUOTE]I hate it when that happens.

I've been getting my contacts on Cupid, too, and if you can believe half the crap they say on there then I'm going to have a great time. Somehow I'm not sure.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo; 1540085]As I prepare for my trip to the DR tomorrow, I've been saddened by the news I have heard over the last month. Two Sosua mainstays have experienced tragedies, and my respect goes out to the families. Out of respect for the families I will not post details but anyone is free to PM me.

Jose; I've rented cars from Jose many times and he has always been a standup guy. His rental spot is next door to New Gardens on the same side of the street. If you leave NG and hang a right and walk 25 steps you will be at Joses office (He also sold cigars). He would usually be standing out front with the money changers or cleaning one of his Honda CRVs in the lot next to NG. Jose always had good cars and would always give me the 40 dollar special that included insurance and taxes. Truly a great guy.

Bill; was known to most guys as he was always the short dude walking everywhere. Bill worked for American airlines in Tampa and once dated a girl from Baileys. Bill moved to the DR 5 years ago and was always there when I went just walking and hanging out. Bill was a short white dude always smiling and walking. Once I'm there I will have verification of what I've heard, even though several sources have also confirmed what I've heard.[/QUOTE]Bill was the very first person I asked about when I arrived a few weeks back at Sosua Beach.

The answer was,"Apparently you haven't heard."

In that moment, he was falling in and out of a coma. A person who had visited him in the hospital said he was "out of it," but at least he recognized the person by name.

The fact that he could recognize a face at least gave me some hope. I had been praying for a more positive outcome since the first day on the beach.

Bill was full of life and energy and was in very good shape. Though he drank quite a bit of beer as most of us do, his body easy fell in to the categorie of "buff." He maintained an exercise program each day and had encouraged some young dominican women (near Playa Chiquita) to work with stretch bands to maintain some form of physical fitness. Because I don't go to the gym in this country, I was set to join his exercise routine in some form.

May Bill rest in peace.

I am happy to report that Bill was able to fly out of the Dominican Republic into Florida.

Bill is rehablitating in or near a hospital in Tampa Bay Florida. A good friend is helping to care for him.

He is now responding at a higher level and interacting with others. Maybe someday he will be able to return to the DR.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1540288]Just hopped on Cupid to get ready for my upcoming trip at the end of the month and I'm trying to talk to chicks who I don't even remember fucking before! Chick called me out:[/QUOTE]Hey at least she remembered you, LOL. I'm thinking about taking that 1 hour flight over to Santiago next week for a few days myself. Good luck.

[QUOTE=KiteSurfer; 1540399]I am happy to report that Bill was able to fly out of the Dominican Republic into Florida.

Bill is rehablitating in or near a hospital in Tampa Bay Florida. A good friend is helping to care for him.

He is now responding at a higher level and interacting with others. Maybe someday he will be able to return to the DR.[/QUOTE]Exactly what I'm am hearing, but just getting back to normal will be good. I don't think going back to the DR is a priority. Unfortunately I'm sad to say that Jose was killed in a motorcycle accident, my prayers go out to his family.

[QUOTE=KiteSurfer; 1540399]I am happy to report that Bill was able to fly out of the Dominican Republic into Florida.

Bill is rehablitating in or near a hospital in Tampa Bay Florida. A good friend is helping to care for him.

He is now responding at a higher level and interacting with others. Maybe someday he will be able to return to the DR.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the update on Bill! I hope he recovers!

[QUOTE=Phuquer;1539988]Good, but I have seen shit like this explode. The kid almost got someone hurt. Now you said she has a pussy as tight as an asshole? I don't see that as a bad thing at all. I might have to look her up.[/QUOTE]It could have escalated into someone or people getting hurt or arrested. The chica, my buddy or maybe one of the chicas haitian friends (male or female) nearby waiting to come to her defense. As far as the pussy? There is something for everybody. When your turn comes, go get her tiger.

My restaurant on the playa chica came over last night. And like the other night, she beat me to my spot. Once in my spot though she pulls out of her purse a 7" off brand tablet and an Orange hotspot gadget. I asked where she got the tablet? She said she bought it with her money working. And she claimed she paid 2mil pesos for the Orange hotspot gadget. Yeah right! I am fairly certain what was more truth, is that some dude gifted her the tablet, and they or someone else paid the 2mil for the Orange hotspot. Nice gifts. I doubt seriously a chica who can't even endure the cost of a phone call will pay 2mil for something they don't even know how to use.

But the problem is, sadly the chica can barely read or write beyond a elementary level. Had no clue how to use the tablet. Nor how to connect her tablet with the hotspot gadget. I connected her to my wifi in my spot, and tried to help her get started using the tablet. Came to a stalemate when it came to her understanding how to use the tablet and putting apps on the device. The tablet language was already in spanish, but it didn't make a difference, everything about the tablet was a mystery to her.

Kinda reminds me of one of those Cubadave videos where he talks about some chica getting an iphone and a computer from a dude but didn't know how to work any of them.

Later chica claims to want to talk about me exclusively dealing with her and no other chicas. Her goal? To make sure more dinero and benefits come her way, instead of distributed elsewhere. Even if she has other dudes already in that mode, the idea is to get as many as she can to support that bullshit. Guys have to be aware of the position they are in. Especially if you only see the chica when you are there on vacation. You would think that no guys would fall for this. But the truth is, there are many dudes that do. They justify it, that the chica needs help, but totally blow off the idea that the chica has got more men on the program than they know. She's not your girl, she's just your turn.

Meanwhile I nicely explained to her that I'm not here to be exclusive with anybody. And to buttress my position I explained to her how I can't trust women here anyway. Gave her solid examples to boot. To which she gave the usual excuses you hear from chicas. They usually revert to how grim life is, how much they have to endure caring for their children etc blah blah blah. But they conveniently block out that none of that has jack to do with what the man is discussing in regards to their character and behavior. There are too many cons than pros. The constant lies, them misrepresenting their real intentions, their lack of education, their poor communication, their lack of common sense, and in enough cases their poor domestic skills.

Other than laying flat, many chicas don't have much to offer. But hope their target will want to be a Captain SAH. Their main source of income is p4p with as many guys that is necessary before going back home. No way are any of these chicas going to settle for one dude exclusive, if they arent getting enough to make up for what several dudes can provide.

BTW, I dropped her off to the taxi stand, hopefully both of us with the understanding that we are strictly p4p, and at the same rate we already established. No more of that other bullshit about loving me or missing me, or wanting a relationship.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1540972]But the problem is, sadly the chica can barely read or write beyond a elementary level. Had no clue how to use the tablet. Nor how to connect her tablet with the hotspot gadget. I connected her to my wifi in my spot, and tried to help her get started using the tablet. Came to a stalemate when it came to her understanding how to use the tablet and putting apps on the device. The tablet language was already in spanish, but it didn't make a difference, everything about the tablet was a mystery to her.[/QUOTE]Wrx2005, thanks for taking the time to post all the insightful reports.

Don't be surprised upon your return that she can use that tablet as well as anyone. I am constantly surprised by how well these girls use their smartphones and tablets. They may be totally uneducated and can't spell worth a damn etc. But one thing they have more than us is all the time in the world and will sit there for hours on end and play with those things, also they will "network" with their friends until they have it all figured out. I travel with an Iphone, Ipad and laptop out of necessity and let the girls use them freely and I am constantly amazed at how well versed these girls are at using these things.

For the last few years I have stuck to a rotation of about eight or ten girls that have proven their worth to me rather than a constant hunt while also mixing in a few new girls. Because of this I have gotten to know many of these girls quite well and with only one exception they ALL have western union novios and several have more than one. There are more Captain Save A Hoe's than one could possibly imagine, I could write for hours about the stories I have heard, it absolutely blows my mind.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1540972]My restaurant on the playa chica came over last night. And like the other night, she beat me to my spot. Once in my spot though she pulls out of her purse a 7" off brand tablet and an Orange hotspot gadget. I asked where she got the tablet? She said she bought it with her money working. And she claimed she paid 2mil pesos for the Orange hotspot gadget. Yeah right! I am fairly certain what was more truth, is that some dude gifted her the tablet, and they or someone else paid the 2mil for the Orange hotspot. Nice gifts. I doubt seriously a chica who can't even endure the cost of a phone call will pay 2mil for something they don't even know how to use.

But the problem is, sadly the chica can barely read or write beyond a elementary level. Had no clue how to use the tablet. Nor how to connect her tablet with the hotspot gadget. I connected her to my wifi in my spot, and tried to help her get started using the tablet. Came to a stalemate when it came to her understanding how to use the tablet and putting apps on the device. The tablet language was already in spanish, but it didn't make a difference, everything about the tablet was a mystery to her.

Kinda reminds me of one of those Cubadave videos where he talks about some chica getting an iphone and a computer from a dude but didn't know how to work any of them...[/QUOTE]What restaurant do you own my friend?

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1540972]Kinda reminds me of one of those Cubadave videos where he talks about some chica getting an iphone and a computer from a dude but didn't know how to work any of them.[/QUOTE]You've been reporting from Sosua for awhile now. How long are you there for?

Does anyone know if any of the massage places that were closed reopened?

It's funny that it's ok to sell pussy but it's against the law to give a massage.

I am a regular to Bangkok and one of my daytime activities there includes getting a massage (sometimes with more mileage than other times). I hope I can do the same here.

I plan on doing sightseeing, beach activities, and other daytime stuff too.

[QUOTE=Manizales911; 1541020]Wrx2005, thanks for taking the time to post all the insightful reports.

Don't be surprised upon your return that she can use that tablet as well as anyone. I am constantly surprised by how well these girls use their smartphones and tablets. They may be totally uneducated and can't spell worth a damn etc. But one thing they have more than us is all the time in the world and will sit there for hours on end and play with those things, also they will "network" with their friends until they have it all figured out. I travel with an Iphone, Ipad and laptop out of necessity and let the girls use them freely and I am constantly amazed at how well versed these girls are at using these things.[/QUOTE]I would agree. They very soon learn how to download apps like Facebook, Skype, and Whatsapp and to use them effectively. Better than me.

The Orange hotspot would need to have a SIM card and an associated account and password with some prepaid data on it to be able to work, but if she has those things, they should be able to get it going for her in the Orange store. 3 gigs of data for a week would be about 320 pesos that can be bought and added to the device the same way you buy and add phone minutes. Perhaps that is what she did not know.

She would need the E5220 (costs 2390 pesos) to send a signal to an Android tablet device, as the USB dongles only work with Windows as far as I know, or with the sharing router.

[url]http://www.orange.com.do/web/internet/equipos-y-modems[/url]

[QUOTE=Phuquer; 1541044]Does anyone know if any of the massage places that were closed reopened?

It's funny that it's ok to sell pussy but it's against the law to give a massage.[/QUOTE]It is not against the law to give a massage, but as in many other countries, there are licensing requirements for hygiene and so on. Most of the massage places that were closed down were just prostitution fronts that did not have a salon license.

There are still several places open where you can get massages. M&M massage is usually considered the best, but there are several others.

If you want a fake massage plus sex in the daytime, you can get them at Belkis Salon or at a place at the back entrance of Casa Marina run by two chicas both called Rosa. I think it is called Salon Rosa. They have a room up an alley at the back where you can go for a shag.

Perfect, and thank you Frannie.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1541048]The Orange hotspot would need to have a SIM card and an associated account and password with some prepaid data on it to be able to work, but if she has those things, they should be able to get it going for her in the Orange store. 3 gigs of data for a week would be about 320 pesos that can be bought and added to the device the same way you buy and add phone minutes. Perhaps that is what she did not know.

She would need the E5220 (costs 2390 pesos) to send a signal to an Android tablet device, as the USB dongles only work with Windows as far as I know, or with the sharing router.

[url]http://www.orange.com.do/web/internet/equipos-y-modems[/url][/QUOTE]I might get one of these. On my last trip to the DR the internet went out where I was staying and the girl I was with pulled out an Orange hotspot and I was able to use it with my IPad, it worked great.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1541020]For the last few years I have stuck to a rotation of about eight or ten girls that have proven their worth to me rather than a constant hunt while also mixing in a few new girls. Because of this I have gotten to know many of these girls quite well and with only one exception they ALL have western union novios and several have more than one. There are more Captain Save A Hoe's than one could possibly imagine, I could write for hours about the stories I have heard, it absolutely blows my mind.[/QUOTE]This is not meant to be flaming you. I find that the term "Save a Hoe" often is used in a deprecating manner. People willingly or unwittingly sending money to the women does not necessarily mean it is a bad thing or that such people are not as smart as the non. SAH kinds. They may have more money or are into such esoteric concept as generosity. I would have to presume that the donors believe or have some kind of a perception of a payback. No matter how implausible or unreal it may appear to the outsiders.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1541088]This is not meant to be flaming you. I find that the term "Save a Hoe" often is used in a deprecating manner. People willingly or unwittingly sending money to the women does not necessarily mean it is a bad thing or that such people are not as smart as the non. SAH kinds. They may have more money or are into such esoteric concept as generosity. I would have to presume that the donors believe or have some kind of a perception of a payback. No matter how implausible or unreal it may appear to the outsiders.[/QUOTE]No problem Tempoecorto, it's all good and you can flame me anytime you want to, I have thick skin from being on these forums for many years.

I only used that term as my post was in response to a post where the term was used and wanted to be consistent with the reference being made.

That said, though I agree that there are situations whereby sending money to a non pro or a sex provider isn't necessarily being a captain SAH, most of the situations that I have seen the sender is being suckered for every peso sent and it happens more than anyone thinks that it does. Most of the better looking girls in the P4P business have at least one Captain SAH on the hook.

Just one example, about five years ago I was riding in a taxi with a long time BB's girl and another girl. We're all a bit drunk, talking, laughing etc. When the BB's girl phone rings and she tells us to be quiet, it's her american novio,"baby I love you, I miss you", blah blah blah. All the while this girl has her hand up my shorts with a firm grip on my crank, hahaha.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1541020]Because of this I have gotten to know many of these girls quite well and with only one exception they ALL have western union novios and several have more than one. There are more Captain Save A Hoe's than one could possibly imagine, I could write for hours about the stories I have heard, it absolutely blows my mind.[/QUOTE]I met a guy in Sosua from Detroit last summer and this guy had big bank. He would pop bottles in D'Latin and tip everyone. The girls got big tips. One day he felt relaxed enough to tell me that a girl in Sosua broke his heart. He was a western union novio and she told him she was going to stay off the streets of Sosua. One day he came into town without telling her he was going to be there and busted her working the strip. The guy was still shaken up about this. Not sure why he chose to send a puta money in the first place, but its his money and not mine. There have been many similar stories told over the years.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1541105]I met a guy in Sosua from Detroit last summer and this guy had big bank. He would pop bottles in D'Latin and tip everyone. The girls got big tips. One day he felt relaxed enough to tell me that a girl in Sosua broke his heart. He was a western union novio and she told him she was going to stay off the streets of Sosua. One day he came into town without telling her he was going to be there and busted her working the strip. The guy was still shaken up about this. Not sure why he chose to send a puta money in the first place, but its his money and not mine. There have been many similar stories told over the years.[/QUOTE]Exactly! What would be an educated guess of how many men the average regular has per year. (A girl who is almost always there you are, haha) Seriously was just thinking about this and said to myself "wow, if she just had two guys per week what would that come to over 300 dicks, Believe me there are many girls who if not over this number they are close!

By far most women who I have seen totally taken care of in the DR fucks it up. (Cannot take the hoeing out of them) If you guys really want to help these girls there is an old saying teach a man how to fish, well you know the rest. Well try to give them some financial advice. (98% of them will never listen) Sending them money does not help them. Most men have egos even in the Dominican Republic cannot tell a man shit about "HIS" Woman. He always thinks his girl would never, or she is different. If there is anything that makes men stupid is the belief that he is different and so is his girl. Most men in Europe and America have this mentality about their wives and women back home.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1541051]If you want a fake massage plus sex in the daytime, you can get them at Belkis Salon or at a place at the back entrance of Casa Marina run by two chicas both called Rosa. I think it is called Salon Rosa. They have a room up an alley at the back where you can go for a shag.[/QUOTE]If staying at the Casa Marina will they allow you to come and go through that back entrance? When I have stayed there I always went through by the front desk. Does that building you are talking about rent out rooms for overnight stay?

They are 1 chica in Sosua that I like very well and she makes me very happy sexually and socially but when I see her out working she is always in the shadows and never up front strutting her stuff which I know would make her more money because she is so fine. I have up until here recently thought she was just on low profile but after reading all these post and evaluating the situation at hand I think she stays out of the light in fear of her western union men knowing she is out there. Not sure

I have not contacted this girl since I have been home although she gave me all her info. I don't want her hitting me up to do the same as others are doing but I defiantly want to fuck her when I go back.

I have a nice girl who works a regular job and goes to school with a baby I have been emailing since I left and so far she has not ask me for anything but I think she is thinking commitment out of me. She is one of the girls who cooked for me at there home and she is to me not the kind who is fucking everybody. But who the fuck really knows

[QUOTE=Manizales911; 1541020]Wrx2005, thanks for taking the time to post all the insightful reports.

Don't be surprised upon your return that she can use that tablet as well as anyone. I am constantly surprised by how well these girls use their smartphones and tablets. They may be totally uneducated and can't spell worth a damn etc. But one thing they have more than us is all the time in the world and will sit there for hours on end and play with those things, also they will "network" with their friends until they have it all figured out. I travel with an Iphone, Ipad and laptop out of necessity and let the girls use them freely and I am constantly amazed at how well versed these girls are at using these things.

For the last few years I have stuck to a rotation of about eight or ten girls that have proven their worth to me rather than a constant hunt while also mixing in a few new girls. Because of this I have gotten to know many of these girls quite well and with only one exception they ALL have western union novios and several have more than one. There are more Captain Save A Hoe's than one could possibly imagine, I could write for hours about the stories I have heard, it absolutely blows my mind.[/QUOTE]I kinda expect her to learn how to use some features of the tablet for what interests her. But I also expect she will have to get a lot of help to get the most out of her tablet. She'll need a gmail account so she can put more apps on the device.

OTOH, I have seen enough chicas much sharper when it comes to using phones, laptops, the internet, than this chica. This chica has a long way to go. At some point she even admitted that she needs to go back to school. Because when we were trying to communicate using the translator, she just couldn't express a complete thought, nor could she comprehend what I conveyed to her with the help of the translator. Many of the words translated in spanish were words she never learned.

Some advice for the guys who are relative new-bees or maybe even some vets. Who have forgotten some of the rules in this hobby.

"If you fall in love in The D. R, C. R, Brazil, Colombia or Peru ect ect, You are falling in love by YOURSELF"

Having a girlfriend in another country is ok, I've had my share over the years but even though I thought about them the entire flight home, I always assumed they were doing exactly what they pleased when I wasn't there. Don't get me wrong there is an exception to every rule but your probably not the exception.

Latin women are a complex bunch. They will never love you back unless they respect you, they won't respect you unless you take complete control of the relationship. Sure you need to show concern for them and their families but you better be prepared to say 'NO' a lot more then you say 'Yes' if you want respect. Forget about the way you romance an American woman. In Latin America the man is El Rey!

[QUOTE=Mattco;1541024]What restaurant do you own my friend?[/QUOTE]I do not own a restaurant.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1541031]You've been reporting from Sosua for awhile now. How long are you there for?[/QUOTE]I arrived 1/25 and I'm leaving next week. I'm sure I'll be back towards the end of April. By then I should be able to take care of a few things in the US, and get right back to paradise for a 2 or 3 week stint.

[QUOTE=Grub1; 1541153]They are 1 chica in Sosua that I like very well and she makes me very happy sexually and socially but when I see her out working she is always in the shadows and never up front strutting her stuff which I know would make her more money because she is so fine. I have up until here recently thought she was just on low profile but after reading all these post and evaluating the situation at hand I think she stays out of the light in fear of her western union men knowing she is out there. Not sure

I have not contacted this girl since I have been home although she gave me all her info. I don't want her hitting me up to do the same as others are doing but I defiantly want to fuck her when I go back.

I have a nice girl who works a regular job and goes to school with a baby I have been emailing since I left and so far she has not ask me for anything but I think she is thinking commitment out of me. She is one of the girls who cooked for me at there home and she is to me not the kind who is fucking everybody. But who the fuck really knows[/QUOTE]Myself and a few of my friends were having a discussion on the beach. We were generally in agreement to this. There are three main areas that are important to ENOUGH dominican women. 1) Financial. 2) having a family (with or without a father in the household ).3) And emotional / social support.

The men typically most sought for financial support are the foreigners, Gringos. Thats their role to provide finances and benefits. The role of the dominican men (the good ones or the bad ones or neutral) are to father the dominican womens children. And the dominican womans friends and family, their role is provide the emotional and social support system.

Enough foreign / gringo men don't know the role they fit in. They want to be the womans emotional and social support system, but they (enough dominican women) don't need or seek that from foreign men. They get that from their family and friends. When they want children, they seek dominican men. We have heard many dominican women claim they don't like dominican men. But what they really mean IMO, is they don't have a problem having children with dominican men. They are proud of that. What they may not like about dominican men is that for the most part, enough dominican men fall short when it comes to providing the financial support the women crave / need. The essential financial support as well as what they lust from watching how people live elsewhere in the world.

And thats where the foreign men have value to enough DR women. So the average foreigner / Gringo needs to know what role is expected of him, and not fool himself into trying to fulfill a role that is not required or sought from him. Also he should factor in and pay attention to, what happens with the DR womans interest the moment his financial support ceases or is never provided. Watch how fast the dominican womans interest in that foreigner fades or is non existent. No matter what DR women may say about DR men, they are not going to stop having children by dominican men. Thats the Dr mans role, to father the children. The foreigners role is to provide the benefits / financial support. And friends and family are the emotional and social support system.

Keep that in mind, and you won't be walking around playing the wrong role. Or thinking your value / presence is worth more to the average DR woman, than your financial contribution to her livelyhood.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1541179]The men typically most sought for financial support are the foreigners, Gringos. Thats their role to provide finances and benefits. The role of the dominican men (the good ones or the bad ones or neutral) are to father the dominican womens children. And the dominican womans friends and family, their role is provide the emotional and social support system.[/QUOTE]I tell you what. I have been dealing with this one chick in Puerto Plata for a couple of years. Every so often we butt heads. She says look, you always just want to fuck but I need to be taken care of. I tell her if you want to be a hooker then I don't mind paying you straight up. She always gets angry saying she is not a hooker.

Then she has a couple of kids by a Dominican guy. He takes care of his kids. I can never go to her house because (and I have heard this from other chicks before) if she brings a man there the money gets cut off. This is the part I can never get. We were planing to do something together at the end of the month. The other day she says,"You can come. We are going to be together, don't worry. But you know what I want. A responsible man in every sense." I asked what every sense was. She said,"Responsible. A home. A man that can love me and take care of my kids." I said but you said they already have a father. She said,"Look, if you want to be with me my kids are part of the package. If you don't feel the same then it is best not to come or look for a woman who does not have kids." So whenever she has a new boyfriend, the kids from the previous guy(s) become the new guy's responsibility and the real father is let off the hook? Or does this only hold if the new guy is a foreigner?

Met her yesterday in front of the liquor store near the corner of PC & Dr Rosen. She was wearing a nice black and white long striped dress. Gave her sexy curves. She was quite friendly, so I took her number. Already had plans for the evening so I suggested a tentative plan of us getting together the next night. We arranged to get together around 7:30. I was riding my bike back to my spot from the playa, but decided to call her since I suspected she was somewhere on the strip already. Called and she was at Rumba. I met her there, had some beer and talked outside in the parking lot where the outdoor tables are.

With her was her cousin. Were all smiles, and getting along. This chica, I haven't seen her before in Sosua, and from the conversation her cousin had not spent much time in Sosua before either. And yet I'm impressed by the chica network they belong to, because they were staying at the Isla hotel where many chicas that come to "work" stay. Against my better judgement I offered for both women to come to my spot. After a few minutes, my chica is ready to take a shower. Suddenly she didn't seem to be the new to Sosua chica I thought she might be. She seemed quite comfortable in what she was about to do.

And her cousin who hung out in the living room watching TV told us to have fun. About 35 minutes later, both of us emerged from the bedroom, each taking separate showers. The chica was dressed in an instant. Now the situation is coming full swing. Earlier, you would have thought her and I might spend some time together down the road the way we were carrying on at Rumba's. Her cousin (who understood english very well) even suggested, that if I wanted her cousin to come up from SD, all I have to do is call, and she will be happy to come.

I remembered that statement then. But now what we have here is a chica ready to get paid. This is another one of those instances where I went on the vibe I had with the chica and decided not to negotiate for services, but to let my experience guide me. I thought, $1500 was fair for ST. But I gave her 500 pesos more because she sucked to completion. It's a good thing when you finally run across a chica that really knows what she is doing orally. However, this chica wasnt too smooth at the time of getting paid, and now showed some signs of greed.

I folded 2 mil and gave it to her. This chica slowly put the money in her purse and made a dash for the bathroom. She was obvious as hell. The only reason she bolted for the bano was to check for how much I gave her. When she came out of the bathroom she said something to her cousin. Then the chica starts off with. She says "baby?" "Baby?" "Can you give me 500 pesos more please?" Since she flipped all pro on me, I flipped on her as well."Amor, you were here less than an hour and got dos mil pesos, and you want me to give you more?" I think my response caught her off guard. Since we were all laughing and joking prior to getting to my spot.

She quickly said "it's no problem baby". Dropped them both off. We all said good night, and that was the end of that. When we were at Rumbas you would have thought we were an item or something. After getting out of the car, it was clear that was going to be a one and done episode. The chica was decent in bed. But found out in the bedroom that she smokes. Smelled cigarettes all in her grill. Fortunately when it came to smoking my sausage, I didn't have any issues with cigarette breath.

Meanwhile several chicas I have been with in the last few days are being seen walking with other dudes, but seemingly embarrassed that I see them but arent paying them any mind. It's like they don't know how to take that because they are used to lying to keep from being exposed. Take "round ass" for example. One night about 3 weeks ago, I called her on the phone to find out if she was available. She said yes. I said where are you know, and she says she is home. I said ok, I will come by to pick you up. Well, I decided to drive to her place and wait outside. I was doing something with my phones, and felt I can park in front and simply wait for her to get ready. About 10 minutes later, guess who shows up on a moto? It's round ass. Later when she got in the car, I asked her why she felt she had to lie about already being home? All I got out of her was DR gibberish.

For some reason, some of these chicas just can't tell the truth for simple shit. I told her way in the beginning that I am not concerned about her working in Sosua or her having clients. But in spite of that understanding, she will still lie when the truth with do. And thats not the only time either. She told me she was home another time, but in order to get to her spot she had to pass where I was standing. She tried to duck behind a van, but I ended up spotting her anyway. LOL. I didn't give a shit. I just wanted to fuck her round ass.

So for the past few days, I have been seeing a few of my chicas walking around with guys. Walking ahead or behind so it doesn't look like they are together. One chica I know made me and my buddy laugh. It was my galaxy girl who was with a guy. The guy was lounging on the beach. She left him briefly to go to the bathroom, and as she passed me on the way back to the guy, she didn't look in my direction, and acted like she didn't see or hear me from 10 ft away. All I said is hello. The very next day, she spots me on the beach, and were about 150ft away, and she is waving and cheesing at me like nothing happened yesterday. Shit was funny as hell. Meanwhile I think those chicas I know who are with other men, but still acknowledge you or even give a quick hello, I think thats cool. I in turn do the same when I am with another chica. I don't blank out or ignore a chica, just because I'm with somebody else. Of course I understand why enough of them play these games, or feel the need to lie, but it sure is comical all the effort they put in trying to convince you of their loyalty and devotion, and how much you are missed when you both arent together.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1541088]I find that the term "Save a Hoe" often is used in a deprecating manner.[/QUOTE]As well it should be.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1541088]People willingly or unwittingly sending money to the women does not necessarily mean it is a bad thing or that such people are not as smart as the non. SAH kinds. They may have more money or are into such esoteric concept as generosity. I would have to presume that the donors believe or have some kind of a perception of a payback. No matter how implausible or unreal it may appear to the outsiders.[/QUOTE]A mark set up for a long con is still a mark. And when you are being a WU novio that is exactly what you are. Did you meet this woman on the strip in Sosua? Did you give her money after the first time you fucked her? Are you now sending her money through electronic transfer? If you have answered yes to all of these questions then you are indeed trying to Save a Hoe.

Did you originally meet this girl through other means? You say she has never talked about things she needs with the undertone (or by explicitly saying) that you should get them for her? You have been to and are allowed to stay in this woman's home? This woman has a normal 9-to-5 job? Are you now sending her money through electronic transfer? You are just a regular boyfriend trying to help your lady out. Many people get jobs overseas and send money back to their family to help them out. You pretty much fall into this category. Yet and still, I would not be found doing it.

One thing to ask yourself before you start sending money by electronic transfer is WIDTAH (Would I Do This At Home)? If you met a chick under the same circumstances back where you live would you still be inclined to do this type of thing? The real truth is that no matter what kind of esoteric concepts you claim to be privy to, back home you wouldn't be tempted (read [b][i]caught dead[/i][/b]) trying to date/financially support someone who hasn't graduated high school (hence has sub-par literacy) ,sitting on their ass every day with no job and not even attempting to look for one, [i]and[/i] SOLD you pussy the first time you laid eyes on them. A lie don't care who tell it.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1541209]I folded 2 mil and gave it to her. This chica slowly put the money in her purse and made a dash for the bathroom. She was obvious as hell. The only reason she bolted for the bano was to check for how much I gave her. When she came out of the bathroom she said something to her cousin. Then the chica starts off with. She says "baby?" "Baby?" "Can you give me 500 pesos more please?" Since she flipped all pro on me, I flipped on her as well."Amor, you were here less than an hour and got dos mil pesos, and you want me to give you more?" I think my response caught her off guard. She quickly said "it's no problem baby".[/QUOTE]You handled that well. No matter what the amount, I would have said well I always give X for short time, but I already gave you X+500 because you sucked me so good.

[QUOTE=Stebo419;1539845]Does anyone knows what's the max amount you can withdrawal at one time from Scotia Bank in Sosua. How many Scotia bank and where they located.[/QUOTE]Last time I was in Sosua, I tried the Scotia Bank atm up at the pharmacia / Metro bus stop & could only withdraw 5000 pesos. It was a Sunday night and maybe the limit was reduced for the weekend. This was end of February. Back in early January, I was able to get 10, 000 pesos per withdrawl but don't remember what day of the week I used it. I am told the limit per withdrawl at the ScotiaBank branch in Cabarete is 12, 000 pesos per withdrawl. Possibly, having a ScotiaBank card may make a difference, which I do not have. My wingman does, and pays no fees for atm withdrawls.

Seems to me all banks in Sosua are reducing their withdrawl limits and forcing us to pay more in fees. I checked several banks & the most I could get per withdrawl is 5000 pesos, unless you hold a debit card & account with the bank, then it might be sightly more.

[QUOTE=Funinthesun63;1541247]Seems to me all banks in Sosua are reducing their withdrawl limits and forcing us to pay more in fees. I checked several banks & the most I could get per withdrawl is 5000 pesos, unless you hold a debit card & account with the bank, then it might be sightly more.[/QUOTE]This is not just Sosua, this is the entire country. I reported on this a couple of months ago. Time to start bringing cash to exchange, unless you can bear the brunt of paying $4 for every $115 (3%) that you take out plus the charges of your home bank.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1541171]I arrived 1/25 and I'm leaving next week. I'm sure I'll be back towards the end of April. By then I should be able to take care of a few things in the US, and get right back to paradise for a 2 or 3 week stint.[/QUOTE]You're leaving before the 14th? Damn. I was hoping to get a chance to chat and buy you a beer or a drink.

[QUOTE=Funinthesun63; 1541247]Last time I was in Sosua, I tried the Scotia Bank atm up at the pharmacia / Metro bus stop & could only withdraw 5000 pesos. It was a Sunday night and maybe the limit was reduced for the weekend. This was end of February. Back in early January, I was able to get 10, 000 pesos per withdrawl but don't remember what day of the week I used it. I am told the limit per withdrawl at the ScotiaBank branch in Cabarete is 12, 000 pesos per withdrawl. Possibly, having a ScotiaBank card may make a difference, which I do not have. My wingman does, and pays no fees for atm withdrawls.

Seems to me all banks in Sosua are reducing their withdrawl limits and forcing us to pay more in fees. I checked several banks & the most I could get per withdrawl is 5000 pesos, unless you hold a debit card & account with the bank, then it might be sightly more.[/QUOTE]I too have used that SB ATM at the farmacia / bus station and could only withdraw a maximum of 5, 000 pesos per transaction. I believe the amount can be reduced for ALL ATM's for many reasons. Expected heavy tourist usage because of high season. Superbowl week generated extremely heavy usage. Heavy usage during the weekend like you said. Or perhaps when the machine has dispensed a certain amount of currency, and reaches a certain level, it automatically changes how much can be dispensed so it doesn't run out of money as fast. Once it can't meet any demand for cash, perhaps it registers the "temporarily out of service" message. I suspect that a certain time the next day, the machines are refilled and up and running again.

The Sosua SB ATM, I have got 5, 000 pesos one visit, and the next day was back to getting the 10, 000 max. Next time I use the ATM in PP I will check to see if I can get 12, 000 pesos max. I swear I tried to get above 10k before, and the machines wouldn't do it. Maybe it will dispense that amount for those with SB cards?

Having a SB card should make a difference. However, that also means having an account, and putting money in that account. I can bypass that by simply bringing enough US currency for the time I am in country, and go to the exchange places that give the maximum rate, which will be higher than the bank. For instance. Knowing I was going to be in the country from 1/25 until 2/27 I brought a little more than $5, 000 us cash. This is the 1st time staying this long so I wasnt sure how much I would need for that time frame. I changed my return date to mid March. That meant I would be spending more money towards my stay. I had to pay for the extra days towards my car rental, I bought a bicycle, and I paid for March rent for my spot. These expenditures as well as now having to spend more for chicas, and everything else, caused me to hit the ATM on 3 occasions. A total of 12 transactions, each 10, 000 pesos.

Early in my vacation, when I had most of my US cash, I started off taking 2, 000 US and went to get it exchanged at the place that IMO has the highest rate (one of the places where the change guys go ). That is Banco Providential on PC, across from Sinatras restaurant. Between Maui Mau and the small mercado. They tend to have the best rate around, but they are flaky when it comes to when they will exchange and how much. I think they cator more to businesses and the "change" guys. Sometimes they will tell you to come back at a certain hour. I think that is to discourage you.

Or tell you they can only exchange half of what you push through the window. Like in my case, they exchanged 1, 000 US instead of the 2, 000 I pushed through the window. Thats why I will always push more cash through the window than I really intend to exchange. That way if they turn me down for the full amount, I may end up exchanging what I wanted in the 1st place. The next place with a good rate, but slightly less than this bank, is the exchange place in the rear of the plaza where Orange is, next door to M & M massage.

After that, Western Union. After that, the Playero supermarket. In all instances a passport may be required. I did not use a passport at the one behind Orange, but I would recommend bringing it (or at least a copy) just in case.

There is a dominican gentleman named Mapello. (809) 491-3024. He is the mobile exchange guy. He often gives rates better than any of the other exchange guys. Maybe the same or better than WU. His rates will fluctuate along with the international daily rate. He is always on the move, often walking at a swift pace. And nobody fucks with him even though he carries a shit load of cash on his person. Lets say you are at the beach, New Garden / Baileys / Rockys but need money exchanged. This gentleman will get to you within a few minutes and exchange decent amounts of cash in an instant.

I was chillin at the playa one day, intending to go to WU to exchange. I didn't really want to leave the playa. So I called Mapello and told him I'm at #blah blah blah on the playa, I need to exchange money. He was there in less than 15 minutes. He exchanged $1, 000 US right there on the playa. Saved me from having to leave to go to WU. Now thats convenience. His rate at the time was $42. 80 (early February ). I spotted him about a week and half ago and asked him what his rate was then. He was giving 43 to 1 US. Not bad. And the best part is, he will come to you if you are in the local area.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1541208]I said but you said they already have a father. She said,"Look, if you want to be with me my kids are part of the package. If you don't feel the same then it is best not to come or look for a woman who does not have kids." So whenever she has a new boyfriend, the kids from the previous guy(s) become the new guy's responsibility and the real father is let off the hook? Or does this only hold if the new guy is a foreigner?[/QUOTE]I think the bottom line is, enough women (not all) generally have a meter attached to their pussies. It just doesn't sit well having a man fucking them, and having a good ass time, but him not compensating them in some manner that satisfies their egos. Even if the father is taking care of his kids with her, another man enjoying her pussy but not compensating her, just doesn't sit well con / subconsciously with enough women.

It's like you are getting the benefit of enjoying an amusement park ride but not paying for it like the other patrons on the ride or those waiting their turn to pay and ride. The DR men have already provided the children. Their job is done. If she can get the foreigner to play his expected role, that foreigner can be guilted or charmed into taking on another mans responsibility in it's entirety. If successful, she has her children by DR men for heritage purposes, and then she can have her foreigner supply the "superior" financial or status benefits the DR man may not have, or the female does not feel the DR man can be relied on for.

Plus DR men may come off as resenting the DR womans focus seemingly mostly about money. Thats too much work trying to make DR women happy. Often DR men start off with good intentions ( taking care of their children ) , but may drop off, or may not be relied on for whatever reasons. Not to mention, foreign men generally come off as being more compassionate towards the dominican female. Something that stimulates interest in the DR female to seek out foreign men.

In your case, I suspect the woman is reasonably attractive. Enough so, whereas she feels confident enough that she can find another dude to be attracted to her, and willing to go through some form of her obstacle course in order to get to that pussy. Even if the benefits are short lived, the DR female usually gets by because she usually has her family and friends for support. Besides they are used to being alone. They can always get somebody to fuck them. That aint a problem. They can live like they are playing a bad football game. They may never get to the goal line, but they can play ( p4p ) just to get a "1st down" with each new guy they encounter. Each new guy is another "1st down". A woman can live like that for a lifetime. It can be with a foreigner or another unsuspecting DR man who initially thinks he just struck gold.

I forgot to add. Many DR women claim once they have children, especially more than one, many DR men avoid them like they have the plague. And that may be another reason why enough DR women seek out foreign men. They have hope that a foreigner with his superior benefits and financial standings may come to their rescue ( whether he knows it or not ) to support her children/family.

[QUOTE=Phuquer;1541254]You're leaving before the 14th? Damn. I was hoping to get a chance to chat and buy you a beer or a drink.[/QUOTE]Buying drinks is a nice gesture. Not necessary to entice me to meet for conversation, but thanks for the thought. Perhaps one day we'll both be there at the same time to have that chat?

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1541249]Time to start bringing cash to exchange, unless you can bear the brunt of paying $4 for every $115 (3%) that you take out plus the charges of your home bank.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Which is what I just wrote about.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1541333]Buying drinks is a nice gesture. Not necessary to entice me to meet for conversation, but thanks for the thought. Perhaps one day we'll both be there at the same time to have that chat?[/QUOTE]Looking forward to it. Have a safe trip.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1541227]You handled that well. No matter what the amount, I would have said well I always give X for short time, but I already gave you X+500 because you sucked me so good.[/QUOTE]What you said comes off better. I thought about giving her props like that. But then I also put in a lot of work to make her come orally too. And she took just as long to come as I did. So technically I thought she had a lot of nerve to be asking me for more money after all the work I put in too. Or perhaps my jaw was pretty raw at the time, and I couldn't get the words out the way you mentioned. LOL.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1541338]I also put in a lot of work to make her come orally too.[/QUOTE]See its guys like you. Now I know why the girls in D'Latin are asking dudes if they eat Dominican sushi O_o

[QUOTE=Phuquer;1541336]Looking forward to it. Have a safe trip.[/QUOTE]Funny you should say that. I feel now, like I am taking a trip back to the states as if I'm going on vacation there, but I live in the DR. Not the other way around.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1541339]See its guys like you. Now I know why the girls in D'Latin are asking dudes if they eat Dominican sushi O_o[/QUOTE]Seriously, they are asking guys if they eat pussy? I have never been asked that by any DR woman. And no DR woman has to ask me that. Especially if she was attractive enough for me to choose her in the 1st place. She just better not be so fine that I want her ass too.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1541344]She just better not be so fine that I want her ass too.[/QUOTE]Damn, you giving 2 4 1 red light specials LOL. Naw, just kidding. In 10 years, I've only been asked twice about eating punanny.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1541215]As well it should be.

A mark set up for a long con is still a mark. And when you are being a WU novio that is exactly what you are. Did you meet this woman on the strip in Sosua? Did you give her money after the first time you fucked her? Are you now sending her money through electronic transfer? If you have answered yes to all of these questions then you are indeed trying to Save a Hoe.[/QUOTE]1. I would not be able to be in another person's shoes to know exactly how he feels / perceives things that started him on that road. Hence, no, I have no right to judge another person.

2, You are mixing thing up. I do not know how much of a hunk you are or how rich for that matter so perhaps girls just pay you for the pleasure of being with you. In any case, for most dudes here (including the undersigned) , there is not a chance that a 20 year old give you even a thought, let alone a look. Most would be happy to land a 40 year old and that too not without paying.perhaps in kind. So your referring to US is a non-starter. Of course, I have no knowledge of inner city and so no idea about how the school dropout scene works but, but for social security, I would imagine it would be exactly like it is in the DR.no matter what color the women have. Uneducated and lower class moms fending for their kids the only way a woman can and has done so through eternity.

In any case, without straying too far from my main point, I would imagine people who are sending money, do that to keep a romantic illusion alive and that might be a hard thing for the "worldly" ones to comprehend. Personally, who am I to tell another that his is just a fantasy, including that of exclusivity?

Had a sweet non pro who lived in San fran democurris. I ask her what she like in the bed and she said oral. At first I thought she was BS but when I went do on her she went nuts. It was and awesome experience. I am a more selective when it comes to pros. I use oil and toys but oral is optional.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1541349]Damn, you giving 2 4 1 red light specials LOL. Naw, just kidding. In 10 years, I've only been asked twice about eating punanny.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1541102]No problem Tempoecorto, it's all good and you can flame me anytime you want to, I have thick skin from being on these forums for many years.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I was making a generic point. Besides, what little I know of you, you are an honorable man.

What gets my goat is people complaining either because the girls lie about having other guys or that some guys send money. I think girls lie when walking the strip with another dude, is a reflection of what many dudes here call the females they have screwed for an hour or two: "my girl". Ha! Perhaps some of those same folks are gullible (or romantic. Depending on the point of view) enough to become SAH but again, that is none of my business.

A buddy of mine just put this up on fb:

[url]http://news.liveandinvestoverseas.com/Lifestyle/the-countries-with-the-most-prostitutes1.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1541434]A buddy of mine just put this up on fb:

[url]http://news.liveandinvestoverseas.com/Lifestyle/the-countries-with-the-most-prostitutes1.html[/url][/QUOTE]I find it odd that of the 3 Latin American countries, Peru made the ranking. Colombia and Costa Rica as well as the DR are not included. The #1 country, Venezuela, hasn't had a post on ISG for 5 months. What happened to Vietnam? I don't like or trust articles that don't list sources. I think you guys should fund me so I can do an unbiased and scientific study. It may require numerous trips to each country, but I'll take one for the team.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1541215]As well it should be.

A mark set up for a long con is still a mark. And when you are being a WU novio that is exactly what you are. Did you meet this woman on the strip in Sosua? Did you give her money after the first time you fucked her? Are you now sending her money through electronic transfer? If you have answered yes to all of these questions then you are indeed trying to Save a Hoe.

Did you originally meet this girl through other means? You say she has never talked about things she needs with the undertone (or by explicitly saying) that you should get them for her? You have been to and are allowed to stay in this woman's home? This woman has a normal 9-to-5 job? Are you now sending her money through electronic transfer? You are just a regular boyfriend trying to help your lady out. Many people get jobs overseas and send money back to their family to help them out. You pretty much fall into this category. Yet and still, I would not be found doing it.

One thing to ask yourself before you start sending money by electronic transfer is WIDTAH (Would I Do This At Home)? If you met a chick under the same circumstances back where you live would you still be inclined to do this type of thing? The real truth is that no matter what kind of esoteric concepts you claim to be privy to, back home you wouldn't be tempted (read [b][i]caught dead[/i][/b]) trying to date / financially support someone who hasn't graduated high school (hence has sub-par literacy) , sitting on their ass every day with no job and not even attempting to look for one, [i]and[/i] SOLD you pussy the first time you laid eyes on them. A lie don't care who tell it.[/QUOTE]Perhaps you have never heard of the term "sugar daddy".

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_disparity_in_sexual_relationships[/url]

It is certainly interesting that some young women may appear to be borderline retarded when it comes to literacy skills, but at the same time pursue reproductive and sexual strategies that appear to be quite sophisticated.

I think this is a bit overrated. To be sure, I know a Haitian woman of 40 who has three Western Union novios that I know about, but her overall lifestyle is modest and living from paycheck to paycheck at best. For example she recently got a $500 remittance from a guy of 50 in Canada, but most of it went to travel to Haiti and get a visa renewal, which is now $280, plus fares and paying other taxes on the border. She has a cheap phone, not many clothes, and does not own any personal means of transportation. (I have not had sex with her, paid or free.)

Most of these girls only keep their looks for a few years and I doubt if many can make a long term career out of sugar daddies, though I think it is natural that they will seek substitute fathers for their their children if the original fathers are deadbeats, or they are estranged, or perhaps the original father is now with another woman and has other children.

However there are probably numerous men in the developed countries who have money and pay thousands of dollars a month in alimony, child support, college fees for their kids, etc. Who probably find the relatively modest amount of money they spend on women in the DR to be an excellent ROI.

I would certainly agree that if you send money to a street or bar prostitute in the belief that this will keep her off the street, you will almost certainly end up disillusioned. However the different types of international and inter-generational sexual relationships are almost infinite in number and some may be more rewarding than others.