Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2938829]Sure.

I predicted the Banderite counter offensive[/QUOTE]"Banderite" is a derogatory word used by Putin propaganda machine to describe everyone in Ukraine who resists Russia's aggression. Of course, Bandera himself was assassinated by the KGB over 60 years ago, so I find it puzzling that an American engineer (that's who you're claiming to be, right?) even knows this word, let alone uses it in the same vein it's used by Russia -- to blacken the whole nation of Ukraine [B]exclusively for Russia's domestic propaganda consumers[/B].

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2938945]"Banderite" is a derogatory word used by Putin propaganda machine to describe everyone in Ukraine who resists Russia's aggression. Of course, Bandera himself was assassinated by the KGB over 60 years ago, so I find it puzzling that an American engineer (that's who you're claiming to be, right?) even knows this word, let alone uses it in the same vein it's used by Russia -- to blacken the whole nation of Ukraine [B]exclusively for Russia's domestic propaganda consumers[/B].[/QUOTE]Just keep your eye out for the links to his sources. If he never posts them then that tells you everything you need to know.

[QUOTE=ReinerOtto;2938858]The Chinese can capture even more land in that area, using Putlers words: Becausue historically Chinese.[/QUOTE]Mur.

By the same logic Putin used when he schooled Tucker Carlson on Russian history, the whole Amur Oblast and Primorsky Krai including Sakhalin belong to China, not Russia. History is a biatch.

[B]Tucker Carlson interview: Fact-checking Putin's 'nonsense' history[/B]

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68255302[/URL]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2938866]So you don't have any proof of any fulfilled prophecies. Or if you do, then post them here.[/QUOTE]I already said I have only been active on this part of the forum for a few months. I have been closely following the war since Feb 2022. I have discussed this with friends and folks on other forums. Sorry, you don't have to believe me. But you can make a note of my current predictions, and we will see a year or 2 from now if I was right or wrong.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2938875]When you say "they," I assume you are talking about the Ukrainian army. [/QUOTE]Yeah no shit.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2938875]Link us to the sources where Ukrainian officials have revealed their objectives, and where the same have desperately changed their story. Even if available it could be a ruse.[/QUOTE]Are you fucking serious? I'm just going by what Zelensky and his team have been saying on the mainstream media. They have listed various objectives but didn't list the REAL OBJECTIVE because they failed to achieve it (capturing the KNPP). The objectives shared by the Kiev regime have been as I have already listed previously. If you have been following the news, you won't doubt me.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2938875]
According to some sources the Ukrainians have blown up two bridges in the Kursk region, heavily damaged an airport and fuel depot, while there's some video evidence. These aren't official sources. [/QUOTE]They have indeed blown up bridges and bragged about it. They have also taken soldiers and civilians as captives. I'm guessing they will use the innocent civilians as hostages and the west will condone it.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2938875]Tell us more about the "slowly collapsing positions in Donetsk and Bandera," with links to your source material.[/QUOTE]Do you not follow the news? Go to the BBC or some other pathetic mainstream media website and you will see for yourself. The real battle is on going in Donetsk. Check what is going on in Pokrovks and Toretsk and get back to me. You will see what happens once these 2 towns fall.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2938875] Yours is an easy game to play. You come pontificating day after day while making predictions, but I've never seen any links, no source materials. There's no evidence of any fulfilled predictions while the outcome of the war, and perhaps the fate of Putin is yet to be determined. Where are you getting your information? All we see so far is an apparent fellow traveler for fun with a lot of unsubstantiated claims and predictions. Source citations are academics 101. Show us where you are getting your information. If you refuse, then it's fair to assume that you are embarrassed by it.[/QUOTE]I get my information from various sources. The western mainstream media is all propaganda and lies and has been weaponized. You can get a better understanding from X, youtube and other independent news outlets and reporters. I suggest you check them.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2938882]RUSSIA says the power plant was the Ukrainian objective, thus it's clear where Blood Red is getting his information. Afterall, he asserts that Alexi Navalny died of natural causes. Tiny has yet to tell us what he thinks about that, but completely dodged the question. But then we get this strident, exaggerated language, "constantly changing the reason" for the incursion, though a buffer zone, a move to draw troops away from Donetsk, plus gather prisoners are none mutually exclusive. Of course he believes and predicts it will all amount to failure, though some sources report substantial prisoner hauls and there's photos, while reportedly a third bridge near Kursk was just destroyed.

But Moscow has a very long history of getting the real story out to the world, so we should just believe them, right? Wink Guys skip the middle men. You don't need BR and Tiny. It's all in Google. Just comes here for the predictions, as the propaganda sources often don't include these.

P.S. I still want to see your links. You've never posted a single one best I've seen.[/QUOTE]Anyone with any common sense would tell you that the only place or significance in Kursk is the KNPP. Ukraine could have used that as a bargaining chip to get the ZNPP controlled by Russia back.

The Bandera incursion into Kursk has failed and it will achieve nothing. On the contrary, it is already having a negative impact on Donetsk as the Russians are advancing faster now than before. Zelensky's terrorist PR stunt has failed.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2938945]"Banderite" is a derogatory word used by Putin propaganda machine to describe everyone in Ukraine who resists Russia's aggression. Of course, Bandera himself was assassinated by the KGB over 60 years ago, so I find it puzzling that an American engineer (that's who you're claiming to be, right?) even knows this word, let alone uses it in the same vein it's used by Russia -- to blacken the whole nation of Ukraine [B]exclusively for Russia's domestic propaganda consumers[/B].[/QUOTE]What are your thoughts on Stepan Bandera?

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2939216]What are your thoughts on Stepan Bandera?[/QUOTE]'Answering' a question with a question is an old, venerable trick, and I'll be happy to share my 2 cents. First, however, I'd like to understand why you're so compelled to call the contemporary nation of Ukraine Banderites. It seems like an odd choice for an American like yourself (right? Given that the man himself was murdered over 60 years ago. What is the [B]non-propagandist value[/B] of painting the entire people of Ukraine as supporters of a man who died such a long time ago?

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2939215]A...The Bandera incursion into Kursk has failed and it will achieve nothing...[/QUOTE]I suggest you try to envision Russian defeat.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2938852]There's plenty of content from my last several posts to you to reply to here, where everything is on topic, that you completely skipped over. Though we already have your mindset memorized by heart by now, give the posts a go, point by point. One is obvious parody. Or, continue to leave them alone, or cherry pick and attack your caricatures, shift to whataboutisms / false equivocations and "deep state" conspiracy theories, or type out another essay of Kremlin propaganda. I trust most here will notice when you fail to take on the content. If not then it doesn't matter, as the war isn't going to be settled in this monger microcosm.

P.S. Do you really think it scores you some credibility when you claim you aren't voting for Trump? LOL I suppose anything that helps you avoid defending the many dumb statements you've made is helpful.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2938842]But lacked the intestinal fortitude to reply to my last several posts on the "Stupid Shit in Kyiv" thread where everything is on topic, where your highly repetitive "deep state" conspiracy theories, various false equivocations / whataboutisms related to past US wars and Kremlin propaganda have received rebuttals from me and others ad nauseum. The one where you said that Russia isn't trying to kill civilians, where you brown nose a guy who asserts that Alexi Navalny died of natural causes, where you express confidence that Putin would honor a peace accord, etc. Putin is a war criminal, coward at heart with zero honor, that's sore about the lose of the Soviet Empire. He started a war. Ukraine wants to fight back, and NATO has responded, Occam's Razor. You're welcome to go back to the Ukraine forum and respond to the many posts I made to you earlier this month that you skipped over. Do it point by point. That might help you make another go at swearing off this thread. You might even succeed this time, or at least divert your addiction. You never know.

So other than the post to me, how many more have followed since swearing off this thread? I counted four, some pretty lengthy. Sounds like you're really struggling, and you have my sympathy. Wink.

P.S.

Ike isn't my fav president, but I do think his economic achievements cut against the idea of Tooms, that Repubs always bring economic disasters, going back to Lincoln. That's the context, thus a little honesty occasionally will go a long way if you're interested in at least some pretense of credibility.[/QUOTE]Well buckaroo, I'm just confused. You said people like me who haven't been to Ukraine can't post in this thread. Xpartan said I can. But he said if I want to post something about Israel or the USA to compare to Russia, I have to do it in the Israel or American Politics threads. So that's what I did. You gentlemen need to put your heads together and decide what you want.

With one exception, I can't think of anything significant about Ukraine you've written recently that I haven't addressed recently, by replying to you or more often to Xpartan and others. But true, I haven't really replied to your posts about my honesty, sanity and time management skills. The problem is that I just don't know where to put them and keep you and Xpartan both happy. Maybe somebody needs to start a new thread on Hooker Board Addiction. Anyway, you don't have to look back to 2022, as you often advise us to do, to see what I've said that disagrees with what you've said.

The exception is Blood Red's statement that Putin didn't kill Navalny. You seem to really want me to say something about that. Well, instead why don't you post some links supporting whatever it is you believe. You've criticized Blood Red more than once for not doing that. The only links I remember you posting were about logical fallacies and psychological conditions you think your debating partners here suffer from.

In the real world, populated by politicians and the like, I don't believe it makes sense for either side to demonize the other. This will never come to an end as long as the people controlling western countries believe Putin is Hitler, which he's not. However, as you correctly say, we're just a bunch of nimrods on a hooker board. Carry on Paulie.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2939214]Yeah no shit.[/QUOTE]Yep not shit. Still no links, only hostility and pontificating. I rest my case.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2939369]You said people like me who haven't been to Ukraine can't post in this thread. [/QUOTE]Then quote my words. If I said anything like that (probably didn't) then it was tongue in check, mockery. Everyone but you knows these are free for all threads.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2939369]Well, instead why don't you post some links supporting whatever it is you believe. You've criticized Blood Red more than once for not doing that.[/QUOTE]I've posted loads of links here, with war analysis, and especially academic articles debunking Little Vlad's historical mythologies. Jmsuttr was the best debater on this topic and he posted many, but wised up and moved on. All BR does it arrogantly pontificate without any hint of his sources other than to call them "various. " We all know what they are. The first step for you would be to get your nose out of his asshole so you can think more clearly.

As I told Drama Queen, the world isn't safe while tyrants can rattle the nuclear saber and get whatever they want. Russia is short on allies and China is set against nuclear escalation. Dishonorable tyrants with ambitions aren't going to honor peace accords. They'll regroup and strike again. The West has done a lot, but needs to do more and remove some restrictions. I'd love a world without killing and where everyone gets along, but that isn't the world we live in, never has been.

I'll add that a lot of Central and Eastern Europe has expanded into NATO and the EU, by their own requests, because they love democratic values and reject the oppressive, restrictive, and grossly dishonest world that is Russia. My country has alliances, friends, and I want us to stay the course.

Lastly I don't think you're a bad guy at heart, based on much that I've read in the other forum, just deceived, while I hope you are able to move beyond these circular discussions and concentrate on career, family, and Latin American vacations.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2939401]Then quote my words. If I said anything like that (probably didn't) then it was tongue in check, mockery. Everyone but you knows these are free for all threads.[/QUOTE]OK, I don't actually remember you saying people who haven't visited Ukraine can't post here. But I'm sure you've said or implied they shouldn't. I believe you were onto esteemed board member DramaFree about that, and you posted this about me (bold text).

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2834463]That's what he's been doing daily for many months now on the American Politics thread in the ISG "Opinions" forum while calling himself a centrist. He's been debunked from here to Sunday then recently came to this thread to restart [b]even though he's never been to Ukraine. [/b]Likely he discovered this discussion by searching the post histories of people he's been going back in forth with on the other thread.

For example he has ignored all that facts that clearly debunk the notion that Russia was given an oral promise regarding no NATO expansion into Eastern Europe. It's plainly false, but even if true only a complete fool wouldn't insist on getting something so important in writing.

[URL]https://hls.harvard.edu/today/there-was-no-promise-not-to-enlarge-nato/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/feb/28/candace-owens/fact-checking-claims-nato-us-broke-agreement-again/[/URL]

[URL]https://theconversation.com/ukraine-the-history-behind-russias-claim-that-nato-promised-not-to-expand-to-the-east-177085[/URL]

So what can you do with someone who digs in online, ignores all corrections and keeps repeating the same fallacious arguments over and over? Ultimately all you can do is ignore them.

[URL]https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_nauseam[/URL][/QUOTE]BTW, If you'd take the time to read the National Security Archives link, including the summaries of the documents, that I've posted at least a couple of times, you'd realize the NATO expansion issue isn't as clear cut as you'd think. For that matter, if you read your Politifact link carefully you'd realize that.

[URL]https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early[/URL]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2939401]I've posted loads of links here, with war analysis, and especially academic articles debunking Little Vlad's historical mythologies. Jmsuttr was the best debater on this topic and he posted many, but wised up and moved on. All BR does it arrogantly pontificate without any hint of his sources other than to call them "various. " We all know what they are. The first step for you would be to get your nose out of his asshole so you can think more clearly.

As I told Drama Queen, the world isn't safe while tyrants can rattle the nuclear saber and get whatever they want. Russia is short on allies and China is set against nuclear escalation. Dishonorable tyrants with ambitions aren't going to honor peace accords. They'll regroup and strike again. The West has done a lot, but needs to do more and remove some restrictions. I'd love a world without killing and where everyone gets along, but that isn't the world we live in, never has been.

I'll add that a lot of Central and Eastern Europe has expanded into NATO and the EU, by their own requests, because they love democratic values and reject the oppressive, restrictive, and grossly dishonest world that is Russia. My country has alliances, friends, and I want us to stay the course.

Lastly I don't think you're a bad guy at heart, based on much that I've read in the other forum, just deceived, while I hope you are able to move beyond these circular discussions and concentrate on career, family, and Latin American vacations.[/QUOTE]And what can I say. You favor the neoconservatives and I'm a pacifist. I've spent time in Russia after February, 2022, and have friends and acquaintances who currently or formerly lived full time in Russia, who provide a different slant from yours and the USA's MSM.

I did take the last part of your post to heart. Circular arguments with EihTooms are not productive, and I stopped myself from getting into another one today. Now something for you. You can learn a lot from people who have different backgrounds and a different outlook than you. Don't dismiss them out of hand, and when you argue try to be respectful, even when you think they're full of shit.

Well. LOL. ? Finally remember imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2939551]. I believe you were onto esteemed board member DramaFree about that...[/QUOTE]That guy is not esteemed anywhere, least of which in the Ukraine forums.

Who you admire, says a lot.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2939308]'Answering' a question with a question is an old, venerable trick, and I'll be happy to share my 2 cents. First, however, I'd like to understand why you're so compelled to call the contemporary nation of Ukraine Banderites. It seems like an odd choice for an American like yourself (right? Given that the man himself was murdered over 60 years ago. What is the [B]non-propagandist value[/B] of painting the entire people of Ukraine as supporters of a man who died such a long time ago?[/QUOTE]Just to be clear, when I said Banderite, I am talking about the Kiev regime which is full of neo Nazi and the scum criminal Azov Nazis that infest the AFU. I have nothing but the utmost respect and compassion and empathy for ORDINARY Ukrainians caught in this needless savage proxy war that NATO provoked. I hope it's clear now. Now, what are your thoughts on Stepan Bandera?