Moscow

[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]I thought tourist visa maixmum was 60 days?[/QUOTE]Probably yes, but a business visa is max 90 and just as easy to get as a tourist visa, just costs $50 more or so.

Hello,

I will be in two weeks in Moscow for business and I will stay at Grand Marriott hotel . My questions is easy to bring girls in this hotel ? My second question ; where I can pick up beautifull girls NF or HD ? ( forget the price) .

Thanks in advance.

For any russian visa issued on or after October 18, 2007, unless that visa specifically authorizes employment or study, a foreigner may stay in Russia only 90 days in any 180-day period. This applies to business, tourist, humanitarian and cultural visas, among other categories.

So you can stay those 90 days in one pass - usually bussines visa.

Or you can come for 30 days every second month - if you can get tourist visa this way without raising suspision and you're willing to spend the money.

Touris visa 60 days or is it 30 days - forgot about this.

Staying more than 90 days is hard.

The solution is work permit, not registering your own bussines but finding job in Russia if this is solution.

Getting into university and paying for it but again this is not for everybody.

Getting married to russian citizen and staying on that account if you're not already married and this rules are also complicated.

So the only real way to stay in Russia for 2 years and longer is emplyment in Russia and long term study.

Even for this russian government has quotas how many foreigners will be issued permits to work and study in Russia. Recently EU in the form of Havier Solana wanted Russia to increase this number but president Medvedev told him to get lost.
About those representative office accreditation maybe it's possible if you can bribe somebody in the russian government but again this is not a guarantee you will be able to stay for a longer period.

Joe,

Forget about HD and NF, they are just a waste of time.

The hottest babes in Moscow are at Aurora 911. They are also expensive. But you indicated price was not a problem.

If you are staying at the Marriott Grand, it's within walking distance.

[QUOTE=Razkolnikov]

a business visa is just as easy to get as a tourist visa

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If you don't have any business in Russia, how do you get a business visa?

I know it was simple in 2005 to get my Ukraine 5 year business visa, my Kiev travel agent just faxed me phony paperwork. But I don't think anyone at their consulate cared.

[QUOTE=Razkolnikov]This is a bit off topic. I'm looking for a way to stay in Moscow for more than the 90 out of 180 days currently allowed. I hope / plan to stay for 2+ years but the rules seem impossible at the moment. I've read different advice, but haven't found a solution yet.
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You have 5 options, and none is very good (or cheap):

Work permit would be ideal. Once in, you can even renew internally and never leave Russia. But you need to have employment with a legal entity (eg company) which is accredited and has applied and been accepted to hire foreigners. Even for those of us working for international firms with boatloads of migration lawyers behind them, this is a major pain in the zadnitsa. I'm guessing the minimum price for someone like you (self-employed) will be $5K to $10K each year (and no, those figures are not in rubles).

Second option, you marry a Russian citizen and get the equivalent of a Green Card. For one thing, it's more difficult than getting a Green Card, and for another, you will have to apply to leave the country (for an exit visa) during the interim period before you get the permit.

Third option, you get a student visa. This will cost you some amount of tuition and probably bribes to ensure they don't flunk you for not showing up. :)

Fourth option, you get a second passport. This is permitted in most countries if you have a good reason - like travelling between Israel and the Arab world with any frequency. Then you "ping pong" between the two passports with 1 year multi-entry business visas. You'll still need to leave every 90 days, but could go someplace cheap (like Ukraine), just to get the passport stamped so that you can come back in on the other passport/visa. You'd figure it'd be pretty easy for them to crack down on this, but apparently they haven't yet, as several of my colleagues are using this method.

Fifth option, you forego the multi-entry visas and just use single/dual-entry business visas good for 90 days. Yes, this requires your leaving Russia quite often to renew your visa, so not a cheap option either.

All-in-all, if you can get a second passport, I'd recommend that method.

Best of luck!

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Joe,

Forget about HD and NF, they are just a waste of time.

The hottest babes in Moscow are at Aurora 911. They are also expensive. But you indicated price was not a problem.

If you are staying at the Marriott Grand, it's within walking distance.[/QUOTE]

Was in Aurora 911 last week, as a matter of fact, entertaining some visitors. I'd only been to Aurora once (with Strav actually), but couldn't stay long that time so I decided a follow-up visit was in order. It appears to be *THE* strip club in Moscow these days. For one thing, the location is awesomely central, and the prices are quite good for the kind of place it is. At 11pm on this particuar weeknight it was packed, and there was practically no seating available except at the bar and the "restaurant" upstairs. We sat upstairs on the balcony as a warm-up, but dancers sadly aren't allowed up there. Still, it afforded us an eagle's eye view of the action. From my cursory count, there were 40 dancers (good bodies all, but faces on the whole only so-so), 10 waitress (hotter than the dancers, with a couple stunners), 5 bartenders (also hot) and a couple hostesses (who are the hottest by far). The format is well known by now: 100R in-situ full-nude lap dances, 1000R privates, and upwards of 10K for FS (some girls quoted much higher). Like the old Safari, some girls "specialize" in dances, whereas others want FS only. Unlike the old Safari, the girls here aren't very aggressive. A simple "no, thanks" is enough to chase off most of them (unlike Safari, where I often had to start insulting their mothers and threatening physical violence). On the other hand, I found the girls at Aurora to be cold and uninterested. One girl left in the middle of the dance without saying a word, or even asking for money - and I wasn't even pawing this particular one! I figured maybe it was her time on stage, but no, she immediately went to the next booth and asked some (uninterested) geezer in a suit if he wanted a dance. Maybe it was because I was dressed in jeans and a club shirt, whereas this is decidedly a suit and/or white buttondown sorta place. Understand - I'm no spring chicken, but among the clientele in Aurora, I must have been one of the youngest there. Possibly she thought I didn't have enough money to keep her attention. Not all girls were like that, and a couple did show some genuine interest, but even then, they were 100% opposed to surrendering their digits. This is unlike every other strip club I've been to in Moscow where the girls are usually begging to hook up outside the club. They said they'd get fired if caught doing anything like that, and from the fear in their eyes, I'm guessing it might be more than just getting fired. Without a doubt - the club wants their cut on any action involving their girls. Another minor thing that bugged me about Aurora is that it's cavernous - the opposite of cozy. Much more like that of an American strip club than what I'm used to here.

In summary... for entertaining, it's a good place as the service is fast, prices are reasonable, and overall scenery is nice. But for getting my groove on, at least, it fell short of the mark. If I could have hooked up with the Latina-looking waitress I had my eye on, maybe my story would have be different though!

Who was the first person to talk about 911 Aurora recently? Me.

This is the prove that my words are always a guarantee.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Joe,

Forget about HD and NF, they are just a waste of time.

The hottest babes in Moscow are at Aurora 911. They are also expensive. But you indicated price was not a problem.

If you are staying at the Marriott Grand, it's within walking distance.[/QUOTE]

What do you mean for 10k full service? At least a two hours fucking three holes?

P. S. Don't look at my Polina!

[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Was in Aurora 911 last week, as a matter of fact, entertaining some visitors. I'd only been to Aurora once (with Strav actually), but couldn't stay long that time so I decided a follow-up visit was in order. It appears to be *THE* strip club in Moscow these days. For one thing, the location is awesomely central, and the prices are quite good for the kind of place it is. At 11pm on this particuar weeknight it was packed, and there was practically no seating available except at the bar and the "restaurant" upstairs. We sat upstairs on the balcony as a warm-up, but dancers sadly aren't allowed up there. Still, it afforded us an eagle's eye view of the action. From my cursory count, there were 40 dancers (good bodies all, but faces on the whole only so-so), 10 waitress (hotter than the dancers, with a couple stunners), 5 bartenders (also hot) and a couple hostesses (who are the hottest by far). The format is well known by now: 100R in-situ full-nude lap dances, 1000R privates, and upwards of 10K for FS (some girls quoted much higher). Like the old Safari, some girls "specialize" in dances, whereas others want FS only. Unlike the old Safari, the girls here aren't very aggressive. A simple "no, thanks" is enough to chase off most of them (unlike Safari, where I often had to start insulting their mothers and threatening physical violence). On the other hand, I found the girls at Aurora to be cold and uninterested. One girl left in the middle of the dance without saying a word, or even asking for money. And I wasn't even pawing this particular one! I figured maybe it was her time on stage, but no, she immediately went to the next booth and asked some (uninterested) geezer in a suit if he wanted a dance. Maybe it was because I was dressed in jeans and a club shirt, whereas this is decidedly a suit and/or white buttondown sorta place. Understand. I'm no spring chicken, but among the clientele in Aurora, I must have been one of the youngest there. Possibly she thought I didn't have enough money to keep her attention. Not all girls were like that, and a couple did show some genuine interest, but even then, they were 100% opposed to surrendering their digits. This is unlike every other strip club I've been to in Moscow where the girls are usually begging to hook up outside the club. They said they'd get fired if caught doing anything like that, and from the fear in their eyes, I'm guessing it might be more than just getting fired. Without a doubt. The club wants their cut on any action involving their girls. Another minor thing that bugged me about Aurora is that it's cavernous. The opposite of cozy. Much more like that of an American strip club than what I'm used to here.

In summary. For entertaining, it's a good place as the service is fast, prices are reasonable, and overall scenery is nice. But for getting my groove on, at least, it fell short of the mark. If I could have hooked up with the Latina-looking waitress I had my eye on, maybe my story would have be different though! [/QUOTE]

[quote=pizdyets]

work permit would be minimum price for someone like you (self-employed) will be $5k to $10k.

second option, you marry a russian citizen.

the student visa will cost you tuition and bribes.

fourth option, you get a second passport. this is permitted if you travel between israel and the arab world with frequency.

fifth option, business visas good for 90 days.

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option 5 price is still the same as option 1, requiring a company accredited by the russian foreign ministry to hire foreigners, and all details about your background, employment history, and all details about what your work for the company in russia will involve, where you will stay, for how long, bla bal bla. if you're planning to 'fake' all those documents, you better be ready for problems with the authorities.

not getting married, doing middle east shuttle diplomacy or paying for university, then option 2, 3, and 4 won't help you either.

in putin's world, best option these days is always to tell the truth and avoid problems. he's not a fool, nor does he appreciate it if your intention is to scam him.

heavy ft mongering, that is, cars of girls and pimps and mamachkas coming and going 24/7 and neighbors watching this and heavy internet traffic on sex and student websites is certainly less complicated when the authorities know your nothing more than another bloody tourist there for monkey business alone.

3 days before i was to leave, i had arranged a first time meeting a girlfriend of a girlfriend in the street. while waiting inside my flat for her to arrive, i noticed just below my window at least 20 soldiers, police, and plainclothes cops all milling around.

once she called me, she was standing only 20 feet form the soldiers, so from 100 yards away on the phone, i made her play a little james bond game and meet me on another street, since i had no desire to be seen meeting a university student that looked 30 years younger than me at noon on a thursday in the main street and then walking directly into my stairway with her. my russian is so bad, this took 10 phone calls and 15 minutes to get her to walk 1 block away. then we took the long way through the alleys behind the buildings, but still in plain sight for anyone in the apartments and offices in the back. once we got inside, i peeked out the window and all the soldiers were preparing to leave, so we waited a few minutes to get started.

just playing it safe.

[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Fifth option, you forego the multi-entry visas and just use single/dual-entry business visas good for 90 days. Yes, this requires your leaving Russia quite often to renew your visa, so not a cheap option either.[/QUOTE]Am I missing something? Used to be business visas were good for 1 year. Has that changed?

[QUOTE=Pizdyets]In summary... for entertaining, it's a good place as the service is fast, prices are reasonable, and overall scenery is nice. But for getting my groove on, at least, it fell short of the mark. If I could have hooked up with the Latina-looking waitress I had my eye on, maybe my story would have be different though![/QUOTE]Pizdyets,

My night at Aurora was some kind of a special party night. Not sure what it was all about, but they let me in anyway, even though I was not on "the list". So procedures may have been different for that particular night, and they may also change over time as the management, and the girls, acquire a better understanding of just how much money they can extract from the clientele, based on what they've got to offer.

The VIP Kabinyets, that are used for FS, have different rates. Apparently some rooms are nicer than others and nicer rooms cost more. That could be an explanation for why some girls quoted a higher price than others. They may have been trying to upgrade you to a better room.

Didn't have any problem with cold, detached dyeffki on the night I was there, but there was also a special kind of party atmosphere in effect that evening, so maybe that made a difference.

You're right about one thing, they are in business to make money (like every other business, I believe) and it was my impression that every girl there was on the menu, literally. Except maybe for the bartenders. The Crazy Menu had prices for the waitresses and hostesses: for 1000 руб. your waitress would serve you topless for 30 min, or nude for 15 min, something like that. There were also prices for the hostesses. I imagine you could have hooked up with that Latina-looking waitress, if you wanted to pay the price. That thought occurred to me the night I was there, but sadly, I forgot to bring my Molybdenum Amex card. :)

It does seem to be a kind of hybrid club: an efficiently managed money making machine in a big spacious venue, like you might find in the U.S., but with all the advantages of Russia; gorgeous babes, sex on site, full nudity + full bar, not to mention take-out. And, of course, that unique atmosphere of "anything goes" that can only be found in Russia.

Contrast this with the old stand-by: Night Flight. I stopped by on my last trip, mainly for historical reference purposes, you understand. ;) It was a Sunday night, around midnight. They wanted 1100 руб. to get in. The place was very quiet, maybe 4 or 5 guys and about 3x as many girls. The place would have been as quiet as a tomb, if not for the dance music blaring away. Not sure why, since there was no one on the dance floor, and wouldn't be for the rest of the night.

The first thing I noticed was the quality of the girls. They looked more like Hot Dog's... on a good night. Time was, a NF girl was something special, but many of these girls looked like they stumbled in off the street and ended up staying for a drink. One of them was giving me "the eye", so I invited her over to chat. She looked to be in her mid 30's and she appeared pleasant enough, but no more so than 1,000's of other women in Moscow. Four or five years ago, she never would have made it past the front door. I asked her what the going rate was to take a girl out and she said 500 USD. I suggested that maybe this might be a little too much, but she was adamant that no girl would ever leave NF for less. I made it clear that I would not pay that much and she politely excused herself to leave.

Of course, there was no place for her to go, except back to the table to sit and razgovarivari with her padrugi. About 15-20 minutes later she came back to sit with me again. She knew there was no possibility for me to be customer, but that was not her intent. She knew I was an American and she said she had an important question for me. She started working at NF in 2007 and at that time the place was full of Americans, with lots of money to spend. What she wanted to know was: what happened to all the Americans? Over the past 3 or 4 months, they all disappeared. Apparently, it's very seldom now that the girls in NF see an American. She was naturally a little concerned to see 50% of her best customers disappear and she wanted to understand why. She said she was afraid that America didn't like Russia any more and that was why they stopped coming.

I assured her this was not the case, and explained that most of the Americans she met when she started working at NF were, most likely, businessmen who either owned their own, successful, company or they worked for a company who paid to send them to Russia for business reasons. In either event, they were not spending their own money, the company was paying for the good times. Now, the situation is different. Business is not so good and companies have to be careful about how they spend their money and they simply do not want to spend money to send people to Moscow.

This didn't seem to make sense to her because she still met European men at NF; Italians, French, German and British. Why not Americans? Something I've noticed about Russians is that it's difficult for them to understand just how far away America is. They can read a map like everyone else, but when you tell them that it can take 24 hours to travel from the U.S. to Moscow, they are surprised. I explained to her that time is money, and the distance between the U.S. and Russia makes it more expensive for Americans to travel. She gave me a puzzled look. The concept of time=money is one that has yet to fully sink into the Russian psyche.

On my way out, I passed her at the coat check. She was also on her way out, alone. I couldn't help but wonder how many nights she will go home empty handed before she understands that the party is over.

Out on the street, there was the usual gaggle of Militsia and taxis. Why is it that the Militsia only hang out at Hot Dog and NF? Maybe they don't know the party's over either.

Of course, having seen Aurora, it's clear now that there are still Americans in Moscow, maybe not as many, but they are definitely there. They just found something better than NF.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]You're right about one thing, they are in business to make money (like every other business, I believe) and it was my impression that every girl there was on the menu, literally. Except maybe for the bartenders. The Crazy Menu had prices for the waitresses and hostesses: for 1000 руб. your waitress would serve you topless for 30 min, or nude for 15 min, something like that. There were also prices for the hostesses. I imagine you could have hooked up with that Latina-looking waitress, if you wanted to pay the price. That thought occurred to me the night I was there, but sadly, I forgot to bring my Molybdenum Amex card. :)

...And, of course, that unique atmosphere of "anything goes" that can only be found in Russia.[/QUOTE]Yes, the idea that you can buy any girl in the place is a powerful drug.
I wonder what the deal is for the non-strippers - the waitresses and bar tenders? If they really are hookers, why not admit it and make more money as dancer/hooker? It is true that on the "crazy menu" they cost more for sex than a stripper, but they must get much less business, despite sometimes being cuter, because the prices are stupidly expensive. But I think their appeal has more to do with "forbidden fruit" than physical superiority - even though they are not actually forbidden, just exclusively priced. But does it mean that virtually any girl in Moscow is available given the right price?

[QUOTE]The concept of time=money is one that has yet to fully sink into the Russian psyche.[/QUOTE] A curious bit of cognative dissonance coming from a hooker!

[QUOTE]On my way out, I passed her at the coat check. She was also on her way out, alone. I couldn't help but wonder how many nights she will go home empty handed before she understands that the party is over.

Out on the street, there was the usual gaggle of Militsia and taxis. Why is it that the Militsia only hang out at Hot Dog and NF? Maybe they don't know the party's over either.[/QUOTE]Wow, $500 non-negotiable at NF, even with the "crisis"! You didn't offer her $250 as she went home empty-handed"?

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Am I missing something? Used to be business visas were good for 1 year. Has that changed?[/QUOTE]Business visas are good for a year (Europeans can even get a 5-year visa) but during the year you are limited to no more than 90 days within any 180 day period.

Bez:Biz visas aren't so expensive, about $600 incl. invite. Shop around.

[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]Yes, the idea that you can buy any girl in the place is a powerful drug.
I wonder what the deal is for the non-strippers - the waitresses and bar tenders? If they really are hookers, why not admit it and make more money as dancer/hooker? It is true that on the "crazy menu" they cost more for sex than a stripper, but they must get much less business, despite sometimes being cuter, because the prices are stupidly expensive. But I think their appeal has more to do with "forbidden fruit" than physical superiority - even though they are not actually forbidden, just exclusively priced. But does it mean that virtually any girl in Moscow is available given the right price?[/QUOTE]No, I don't think every girl in Moscow is available given the right price. As Pizdyets noted, even among the strippers, there are some who can be bought for full service and some who are just there to dance. That's their call. I think the waitresses consider themselves to be just a little bit higher up on the food chain than the dancers in that they are not necessarily selling their bodies, they have a "real job". The hostesses are obviously the T-rex of the food chain. While they are not there primarily for sex, they might be persuaded to leave with the right guy at the right price. The point is, anything goes, and, to a certain extent, what you end up with is a matter of your game, your negotiation skills and the size of your wallet. And that, as you say, is a powerful drug. Assuming you can afford it.

[QUOTE]Wow, $500 non-negotiable at NF, even with the "crisis"! You didn't offer her $250 as she went home empty-handed"?[/QUOTE]I never offered her anything. I suggested that maybe $500 was too much and that, given the circumstances, she might want to reconsider her postion. She didn't, and not being a remarkable girl, I was perfectly happy to leave her where she was. Sometimes the only real power we have is to keep our money (and our dick) in our pants. I bid her "spokoinoi nochi" as I left and she saw me leave alone, as well. I'm sure the lesson was not lost on her.