Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2450699]People are being wayyy overly doomsday-ish here. Sorry, but even though I have never been to Pattaya yet, I do know one thing. Follow the money. The world is not great right now, but it won't be forever. Bro, even in The Walking Dead with actual fucking zombies they had brothels, etc. Girls may be going home for now, but when countries start to open up, money comes back, it will come back like crazy. I'm going to be balls deep 8 hours a day, mask or not. Like the first good weather day of spring, girls are going to come back and it's going to be open season.

For all you nay-sayers out there who think the world if over, Pattaya is done, or shit will just never open again. I really do feel back for you on how dim your life must be if you hold out zero hope on things. I would rather be 100% wrong here and optimistic than sound so jaded like some of you guys on here.[/QUOTE]If Soi 6 goes up to $100ST and top gogo's $200 in 5 years a lot of guys won't come. They would be closing in on Western / Vegas prices.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2450699]Bro, even in The Walking Dead with actual fucking zombies they had brothels, etc.[/QUOTE]Are they open? Would you send me a couple of Line numbers please. Some of those zombies were HOT!! 😁.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=ArnPoddict;2450669]I said I would have liked to play with that slim young girl. But she is busy now with those young guys. She offered to play with me. But I denied and said I wait for that girl. Then she replied to me "young girls like young boys". Maybe she got a bit upset because I did not want to play with her due to her being older. But she slipped the truth out from her mouth in that one sentence.[/QUOTE]This crap happens and it's not a sales tactic that works on me. I pay them to stroke my penis and ego, not to state the obvious.

[QUOTE=Cool;2450737]If Soi 6 goes up to $100ST and top gogo's $200 in 5 years a lot of guys won't come. They would be closing in on Western / Vegas prices.[/QUOTE]Not even close to Vegas pricing. I used to live there. Last proposition I had from a stripper there was if I got $700 USD in lap dances she would go to the disco at Hard Rock Cafe with me. This didn't even include sex! She was from Kentucky and an easy 9. 9. This was around 2010. Made me re-evaluate why I hobbied in Las Vegas so I started going to FKK clubs.

I'm not so concerned about a price increase in Pattaya. I'm more concerned about a decline in looks. Already seen a huge difference in looks from the Good Old Days of 2016. Not sure why you guys don't go to the Thai bars. Still cheap there and the girls look better than Soi 6 that's for sure.

This group is in tuned to reality.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2450639] SNIP

No more customers > no more girls > no more rents > no more shops > no more people = Pattaya's death at the end of the road.

Pattaya is emptying.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=DannyDuck;2450574]Methinks c19 may have been the KO blow to Thailand in general.

Pre c19 I was in Pattaya December 2019. I recall seeing vacant business space all over in the main central area. Saw a you tube video today its even worse now.

Same goes for BKK. So many big operators have left the scene. Weeknights the Rainbows were having a real hard time.

We all agree that the famed Los nightlife has gone downhill the last 5 or so years. No freaking way it comes back.

What say you.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=PedroMorales;2450453]Thank you both. Very helpful. Goodbye Pattaya and thanks for the memories.[/QUOTE]This guy is not and looking at the world through rose colored glasses.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2450699]People are being wayyy overly doomsday-ish here. Sorry, but even though I have never been to Pattaya yet, I do know one thing. Follow the money. The world is not great right now, but it won't be forever. Bro, even in The Walking Dead with actual fucking zombies they had brothels, etc. Girls may be going home for now, but when countries start to open up, money comes back, it will come back like crazy. I'm going to be balls deep 8 hours a day, mask or not. Like the first good weather day of spring, girls are going to come back and it's going to be open season.[/QUOTE]Nobody on this board says P4 P is dead or sex for money is dead. But what Pattaya represents and if you have ever stepped onto Walking Street or anywhere in Pattaya, you would know what they are talking about. No other city compares to Pattaya, not Bangkok, not Angeles, not Jakarta. Last night, Mr. E, XXL, and I met up at Tree Town and our thoughts about this town was pretty much in line. We are on the ground and see the dismal despair and hopelessness. Daily long lines stretching blocks of people begging for food. Even as restrictions are lifted, most businesses stay closed in Pattaya. Where are the workers, customers, no air conditioning in the mall? Pattaya is not Bangkok or even scenic like Phuket. It survives off sex, bars, partying, and alcohol. The Health Minister knows alcohol masks body temperature. Drinking it vasodilates your blood vessels, which lowers that core temperature which can hide a low grade fever. All they have is these electronic thermometers and hand sanitizers as weapons to protect themselves to screen for symptoms. Many of these symptoms of Coronavirus is similar to being drunk besides the fever. Hence, the alcohol band in Thailand and not in other countries. Of course, they don't tell the public this. So how in the world is Pattaya ever supposed to bounce back by not being able to serve alcohol, social distancing inside a club (especially a tiny one like Palace which packs in customers for higher revenue), with every one wearing masks while trying to find the better looking girls or customers? If you know of a solution, let me know? I have an MBA in Global Business and an MHA with a minor in Epidemiology and I can't figure out any solution besides one. And that's God.

You realize that this is not a Thailand problem but a world wide problem that's going on, and a huge one at that. This is not a natural disaster like tsunami where you rebuild. Live during the Black Plague or Great Depression, and you might understand the magnitude of what's going on in the world. We are just a few months in. There has never been a vaccine for any Coronavirus (yes this is NOT the first). And Ebola, which is much deadlier, took 5 years for a vaccine, was on fast track. It's nice to be optimistic, but at least offer some rationale on your thinking or you just sound silly. It's like some of the Jews in the concentration camps just hoping for the best and turning a blind eye to the reality, all the way to their end in the giant chemical ovens. Fight back and stop living like sheep. When this started they told me not to travel. I went against it all and did my own thing because I have this thing called a brain and a mind. I trust in my own guidance over anything else out there.

You are witnessing the worse economic crisis since Great Depression. Look at the USA model and what's going on in that country when it comes to personal liberty versus public safety. It's dividing that country and now imagine that model for the entire world. People blaming others for getting sick and people fighting each other for freedom. There will be a divide, confusion, combined with a poor health system in a 3rd country is a recipe for disaster. USA is failing, while China is looming in the background, ready to take over as the #1 spot. Pay careful attention to what happens with the tension and economic warfare between these two. It WILL affect the entire world. What happens to those who align with China and embrace them (well you see what happened with the trade and import sanction imposed on Thailand by the USA recently) ? We have this global crisis pandemic like you never seen before in modern history because the economic crisis is linked a public health crisis that has always existed. COVID-19 just exposed all the flaws related to co morbidities, sanitation, and pollution. If it makes you cough or sneeze, it needs to be eliminated because asymptomatic people can spread the disease. If you want to build herd immunity or self immunity, then focus on preventing the co morbidities (cancer, cardiovascular, stroke). Which means yep. Big business like tobacco, oil companies, fast food and so on and so on. The longer this plays out, then here comes a depression with businesses failing and bail outs. But bail outs is just debt spending by countries which results in more printed paper money from a machine backed up by nothing but increase future work and inflation for the middle and lower class. Good luck traveling for mongering with inflated prices and more restrictions. Give this some thought from all perspectives and place yourself in everybody's shoes. You will understand how dismal and bleak it looks.

So yes, it does matter the price of tea in China, just like it matters what went on in Wuhan even though you lives thousands of miles away. So stop thinking on a micro (all about me) level and try a macro (the entire world) level. You only have one world unless you closed up all borders and international travel from here on out and forever. So what happens in one part of the world, can affect the entire world. Am I lying about any of this? Do your research and let me know. I'll stick to my final answer as a solution. God.

P.S. : By the way, leading up to my #333 post (Google the meaning of this number), I did give you guys fair warning and called it a FINAL COUNTDOWN. I even gave the heads up to some of you and told you to spend the last year traveling and enjoying. Feel free to go back to verify and my favorite color is still "blue. " Also, isn't strange that Thailand is 66th ranked when it come to COVID-19 with 66 country code while HR Bill 6666 about Coronavirus is being debated?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2450783]... Not sure why you guys don't go to the Thai bars. Still cheap there and the girls look better than Soi 6 that's for sure.[/QUOTE]You don't mean the beer bars do you? MILFs with mommy bodies, way beneath Soi 6 level. You must mean gogo bars.

[QUOTE=Cool;2450737]If Soi 6 goes up to $100ST and top gogo's $200 in 5 years a lot of guys won't come. They would be closing in on Western / Vegas prices.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=BananaBoi;2450783]Not even close to Vegas pricing. I used to live there. Last proposition I had from a stripper there was if I got $700 USD in lap dances she would go to the disco at Hard Rock Cafe with me. This didn't even include sex! She was from Kentucky and an easy 9. 9. This was around 2010. Made me re-evaluate why I hobbied in Las Vegas so I started going to FKK clubs.[/QUOTE]My last trip to Western Nevada was about 10 years ago. Made the rounds of about 4 of the desert brothels. Lineups ranged from 2 to 8 girls and none looked good. I negotiated with 1 girl in each brothel, as best I can remember the prices were about $200 for half and half (covered blow job followed by covered sex). Similar quality girls on Beach Road might be 10% of the cost in Nevada (700 baht).

[QUOTE=XXL;2450792]You don't mean the beer bars do you? MILFs with mommy bodies, way beneath Soi 6 level. You must mean gogo bars.[/QUOTE]You won't find a single girl over 25 at the Thai bars. Most are under 20. Girls do not speak much English if any at all so you will need to know some Thai. I've posted about them and posted pics of the girls available before. Most are not located anywhere near the tourist area. You will need a car for sure. The last one I knew in the tourist area was Kiss Cool which was located on 3rd Road and Soi Lengkee. That place was kick ass in 2016. I think their sister club Kiss Pub remains open in Naklua. The better ones are further away. Don't p1 ss off the wrong Thai guy or you'll be fighting 7 or his buddies in no times flat.

I did sort of stop going in early 2019 as the talent level dropped like I mentioned in my original post. I started hitting the Thai karaoke bars in Sri Racha. Some of my struggling but pretty LK Metro gogo girls started working at them.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2450783]Not even close to Vegas pricing. [/QUOTE]First let me say I would gladly pay $200 for one of the top three or four girls at Palace or Panda. But either they are only selling drinks or will only barfine with young asian guys. The top girls get to pick who fucks them while the other girls are happy with any offers.

Second I spend a few weeks each year in Vegas. Prices run the gamut. If you can even find a girl at Rhino (the best strip club) to work outside the club she'll ask $800. If you don't mind wandering center strip in the middle of the night (2 to 4 am) you will find some hot black SoCal gilrls at $200 a trick. At all various hours of the day and night you can find stragglers walking Trop near the Orleans for whatever gets them their next crack hit. A good hangout to meet more normal freelacers is the Lobby Bar at Caesars which has different girls coming and going each night to avoid security. Last Nov I found a hot one from MN here for $300 she needed to fly home for Thanksgiving. Of course all these places (except the streets) are shut down now as well.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2450453]Thank you both. Very helpful. Goodbye Pattaya and thanks for the memories.[/QUOTE]I feel you. Since, I don't see the Go Go bars opening with the same thump as before. It was sad to see the #1 club with only 15 of their worse girls and 4 customers back in March. So, I want to say a public goodbye to my favorite girl at Palace.

The Good: When I first met her, I dug her looks. I thought she was pretty hot. Body was tight. Face was pretty. Skin was white. She was my number 1 girl on Walking Street when it came to number of barfines and money spent on a girl over the years.

The Bad: Over time, she changed her look to please another class of customers. However, when I showed up, she would still go with me and not them. However, I just really wasn't fond of the change, felt like I was being punished. Body was still hot, but face errr not so much. Didn't like her new look. And I finally swapped her out for another model this past Christmas.

The Ugly: Then one day she sent me a pics of her au natural. That pretty much ended it all. Nice reminder to why I don't do long time or get into relationships or want to see girls outside of the Go Go bars. I need them dolled up and looking their best for me at all times. Monkeypaw is spoiled like that.

You can decide yourself on which exact pics are the Good, Bad, and Ugly since our tastes may vary.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2450699]Girls may be going home for now, but when countries start to open up, money comes back, it will come back like crazy. I'm going to be balls deep 8 hours a day, mask or not. Like the first good weather day of spring, girls are going to come back and it's going to be open season.[/QUOTE]What comes first, the monger or the hooker? From what you wrote, your position is that the monger will come before the hooker? Who all here will come if there are no hookers though? Even you said that you are going to be balls deep AFTER it comes back like crazy. So it seems that not even you are willing to come before girls.

Many people on here say how poor the girls are and they don't even have 300 baht bus fare to get back home. How do you propose that they will get back to Pattaya with no money? I know a lot of chicks when they first come here they will get a daily rate room where they pay 500 baht/day. They will work freelance to pay that. If they were to opt for a monthly room they will have to come up with at least 9000 baht off the rip to include deposit and first month payment. Others will stay with friends. With Pattaya empty of chicks, the chances of them being able to stay with friends are very slim. Add to that Pattaya being empty of tourists, how are they supposed to make money if they came before the monger?

The next question is about bars and gogos. The owners are meeting frequently with government officials trying to come up with a plan of social distancing rules to govern them once they open again. But until then they continue to bleed because they are still having to pay expensive leases. I have already reported a chick working at a massage spot on Walking Street telling me the rent on the parlor is 150,000 baht/month, so I can't even imagine how much it is on those bars and gogos. And add to that the police extortion fee.

Hanging out with XXL and MP yesterday, we were discussing the malls about to reopen in a few days. There are no tourists here now and many locals have been out of work. Who do they think is going to be shopping in malls at a time like this? XXL said that they better prepare to have malls full of vacant stores, because who can stay in business with no customers? It is the same with the gogos. How will they pay the staff on top of the leases when there are no customers here? In addition, how are they going to get staffing back since most have gone back home? This is going to be interesting to watch.

[QUOTE=ArnPoddict;2450669]On my latest trip in March 2020 I often went to play pool on soi 7 in the evenings. There was one particular corner bar with nice looking slim young girl who was also quite a good player. One night this girl was busy with her friend entertaining young Caucasian guys. I would have liked to play pool with her but I could not since she was busy. So I ordered a drink and sat down waiting for the guys to leave. One older lady sitting next to me asked what do I want. I said I would have liked to play with that slim young girl. But she is busy now with those young guys. She offered to play with me. But I denied and said I wait for that girl. Then she replied to me "young girls like young boys". Maybe she got a bit upset because I did not want to play with her due to her being older. But she slipped the truth out from her mouth in that one sentence.

Every middle aged punter, who rents a girl's pussy and seriously thinks the girls are attracted to them, is an idiot.[/QUOTE]Absolutely younger women prefer to party with younger guys. Anybody not understanding that is simply in denial.

Working girls prefer older guys. Why? Because they are willing to pay for their time.

As to how they feel about their older clients it's not true in my opinion they see them as washed up old farts and anybody feeling that way should think again.

Far from it quite often they click with them, enjoy their company, enjoy the sex and even occasionally fall in love.

Sure some are good at feigning affection and too often inexperienced punters get taken in but most of the time from both perspectives it is just business no more no less.

[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2450613]She refused to make up even for 1500 baht. I guess either she's not quite that desperate or stupid as fuck. From that pic, I think I just saved myself from a big bowl of disappointment. I was hoping to convert her similar to this one a long time ago.[/QUOTE]She look really nice pretty.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2450814]...

Hanging out with XXL and MP yesterday, we were discussing the malls about to reopen in a few days. There are no tourists here now and many locals have been out of work. Who do they think is going to be shopping in malls at a time like this? XXL said that they better prepare to have malls full of vacant stores, because who can stay in business with no customers? It is the same with the gogos. How will they pay the staff on top of the leases when there are no customers here? In addition, how are they going to get staffing back since most have gone back home? This is going to be interesting to watch.[/QUOTE]Yes, I don't see anything remotely close to a snap back to normal conditions in Bangkok either anytime soon. It'll require a huge leap of faith for anyone to invest serious money in any business that relies on groups or crowds of people passing through your doorway, breathing the same air, touching the same things within minutes or each other purposely or inadvertently. That includes malls, shops, bars, clubs, discos, etc.

There will be a few brave souls who will take the plunge on both sides of the cash register. But you're asking tourists to leap through flaming hoops at airports on each side of the trip and pay in advance for rooms in a destination that might only have a half dozen stray and worn out FLs within taxi distance.

Lining up several FLs on the dating sites in advance would probably produce 1 worthwhile session in 20 chats, set appontments and grand plans. LOL. Hell, it's almost that bad of a ratio for those of us who live here as long as more girls are fleeing to their family province instead of migrating to Bangkok. For what?

I am very happy to already have several winner repeats and regulars on tap here with only the need and time to try and add someone new once every week or so.

I am seeing more and more shops, restaurants and pop up spaces being completely gutted and abandoned lately. Clearly, they are not planning to reopen. So who will put serious money into those places when there are practically no customers?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2450814]What comes first, the monger or the hooker?

Hanging out with XXL and MP yesterday, we were discussing the malls about to reopen in a few days. There are no tourists here now and many locals have been out of work. Who do they think is going to be shopping in malls at a time like this?[/QUOTE]The mongers always come first but the girls soon follow when word gets out that money has returned to town. Pattaya, Subic et al all got a start from GIs arriving in town. The first GIs didn't go there because of a pre existing hooker population.

Mid term I think you are correct. However, short term you may be surprised. Here in Whiteman's Land our malls etc are just reopening also while everyone is unemployed, broke etc. Guess what? They are all packed with people buying shit they don't want or need.

Enjoy. G.