Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;2461636]I'm not shooting you. Rather educating you.

And by now everyone should know that you can find everything on the internet. Did you know that there are even websites that state the world is a globe, while it is plain for all to see the earth is flat as a pancake.

But silliness aside, the websites that state that prostitution is illegal in Thailand either have a hidden (moralistic) agenda, or have no idea what they are talking about. Thai law is clear enough however. Read it for yourself at [URL]https://www.ilo.org/dyn/natlex/docs/WEBTEXT/46403/65063/E96THA01.htm[/URL].[/QUOTE]Yes, you have pointed out and corrected a common misunderstanding of the Thai law regarding prostitution.

It might be clearer for some to think of it this way; It is not in keeping with Thai culture to punish a lady for recieving money she needs to help herself and her family in exchange for sex or to discourage a kind gentleman friend from giving her that money for sex. But it is very much in keeping with Thai culture to punish her for making a public show or spectacle of it. And to punish anyone else for promoting and benefiting from it as a commercial venture rather than to simply provide for a personal need.

What usually adds to the misunderstanding is when we hear about police sweeps of street girls, fines and even jail time for them. But that isn't for the prostitution. It's for creating a public nuisance about it.

And consider this. In all those sweeps of the girls I don't think they ever arrest the customers chatting them up or even walking out of a nearby short time hotel with one. That certainly isn't because the Thai police are cutting us farang P4P customers some slack and don't want to cause trouble for us. It's only because the act of paying money to a consenting adult for sex breaks no Thai law.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2461628]Other than the one soi 6 babe refusing to meet because she's afraid, (at the beginning of the closures,) I've had no issues finding female companionship.[/QUOTE]What the fuck man. I know this chick from the disco that works on Soi 6. Right before the closure I was on Soi 6 collecting contact info and she was all over me. A couple of days later shit closes down. I contact her to come see me and it was the same thing. This shit has been all over the news for 3 months, but you only get terrified and will not come after shit closes down. Yesterday you would have been fine with fucking, but 24 hours later no chance in hell.

[QUOTE=Sammyt;2461623]The one thing I took away was "No mask, no sex, no oral sex. " (yes, I'm sure that is negotiable). [/QUOTE]Meanwhile, I am over here slapping my dick on chicks' foreheads and cheeks. Do not believe everything you read. Even when chicks show up to my place wearing a mask I tell them to look around at all the other people. We do not wear masks on this soi. Take that shit off.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;2461636]I'm not shooting you. Rather educating you.

And by now everyone should know that you can find everything on the internet. Did you know that there are even websites that state the world is a globe, while it is plain for all to see the earth is flat as a pancake.

But silliness aside, the websites that state that prostitution is illegal in Thailand either have a hidden (moralistic) agenda, or have no idea what they are talking about. Thai law is clear enough however. Read it for yourself at [URL]https://www.ilo.org/dyn/natlex/docs/WEBTEXT/46403/65063/E96THA01.htm[/URL].[/QUOTE]So I bit, clicked, and read. There was the following.

1. A given definition of prostitution which was "sexual intercourse, or any other act, or the commission of any other act in order to gratify the sexual desire of another person in a promiscuous manner in return for money or any other benefit."

2. A given punishment and a given fine for the given definition of prostitution. "Any person who, for the purpose of prostitution, solicits, induces, introduces herself or himself to, follows or importunes a person in a street, public place or any other place in an open and shameless manner or causes nuisance to the public, shall be liable to a fine not exceeding one thousand Baht."

I am not a lawyer by any means, but doesn't 1 and 2 make "prostitution not legal in Thailand." Which was all I wrote. I didn't say it was my own perspective of what I personally think what prostitution is or isn't, which some of posters are trying to say, twisting and bending words to their own personal beliefs. Which is hilarious, because it's pretty much a sex monger's words versus the Thai government. I wonder who will win? If there is a written law and correlated punishment in place and writing, I'm pretty sure then it's an illegal act. To make it more simple, so you and others can understand. If there is not a law in writing like "doing jumping jacks in public space," which there isn't, then those jumping jacks in the public are legal and not subject to arrest or fine or imprisonment. So like I said before, if there is a law on prostitution, then it's probably not legal in Thailand. I said, I'm not a lawyer, but I do have a buddy who works at Siam Legal, who told me that the phrases, "any other benefit" and "or any other place in an open and shameless manner" is subjective to the Thai police which will be always right when it comes to a foreigner coming to their country looking for cheap sex with their females.

Also there is a big difference between "AND" versus "OR" if you or anybody is referring to the whole causing a public nuisance thing. I'm not an English major or is it even my first language, but I think this part is obvious.

Plus, from personal experience. Once I grabbed a last minute, standing at the exit door, girl from Insanity in BKK, way back in 2013. She was drunk and wanted to sleep first. I wanted ST which we agreed on for 2500 and for her to leave after. There was a disagreement. I offered her 200 for taxi to go away. She wanted the entire 2500 baht. She raised hell and called the police. Officers showed up at my Paradiso Suites Soi 10 reception. She told them we had sex and I didn't pay. We did not. I was a newbie still when it came to mongering in Thailand and a bit confused. They took us both to the Lumpini police station where a high ranking officer told me in English "prostitution was not legal. " I was fined 1000 baht for a report that had to be made and let go.

And if that's not enough. For you. This is an article 'FOR" the legalization of prostitution in Thailand not with any "hidden moralistic agenda" against. But what do they know? They are just Thai professors and researchers, that's all. Lastly, I also did a quick Google search using the words "prostitution legal in Thailand. " It came up with nothing. Then I did one with "prostitution illegal in Thailand. " Big difference. Thanks for the wild goose chase. I should have stuck with my immediate intuition. Luckily, I had a shit load of time in Pattaya to do nothing but relax because Soi 6, LK Metro, and Walking Street are closed.

[URL]https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30353452[/URL] "It is an open secret that, despite being illegal, prostitution is widely practised in Thailand. " (first sentence).

[QUOTE=Allover;2461605]Wrong link maybe? Doubt you were caught up in the drug and money laundering raid you linked.[/QUOTE]I should have spaced out my thoughts and sentences. It should have looked more like this.

"Leave this for the locals. Foreigners who try this crap often will meet a pretty bad end. Thailand lures, Thailand traps, Thailand punishes, and Thailand throws you away. Anybody looking for new condominium real estate in Pattaya? Pretty much same as the Thai Go Go bar girl mentality. The mystery of the Asian Mystique solved. I've always wondered why there are so many laundry places in Pattaya.

Like I said, I post a day before and then something in the news the next day. If you look hard enough, you will get a glimpse of Monkeypaw with the captain of "brownies" during the big Treetown raid. LOL."

No way am I posting links to me with Pattaya news in ISG, haha. I hung out with some retirees last night in front of Central where the statue is and they recognized me from so many YouTube videos of Pattaya. I did not know I was in these videos. There showed me in many of the Soi 6, GoGo bars, Treetown, and Walking Street videos. Guess I'm famous in my little own indirect way. The article I posted was more of a reference to the beginning of my last post in quotes. You can probably read between the lines to why places like Walking Street in Pattaya or AC even exist for just 50 baht a kilo and next day service.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;2461636]Read it for yourself at [URL]https://www.ilo.org/dyn/natlex/docs/WEBTEXT/46403/65063/E96THA01.htm[/URL].[/QUOTE]From this link we read: "in order to gratify the sexual desire of another person in a promiscuous manner in return for money or any other benefit". The latter would make marriage and any other relationship illegal as well, since it people form couples for so many reasons including economic. Prostitution turns out as being more straightforward but the marriage is based on the same principles: exchange of goods, and services but geared towards the longer term and involving more parties (families and kids). But the tenets are almost the same for most men: securing a sex partner. Fact is that if you look well you'll find that most legislator struggle to find a definition for sex that does not apply to marriage and are more guided by moralistic principles than actual good sense and their only purpose is to try to deny the right for consenting adult to act as they please.

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2461619]"But now I know that if I find a gem Ill repeat, just not everyday, maybe twice a week max, if I had a bad session. " I would argue that a single bad session would automatically mean that she is not a gem, or worth repeating. Why would you?

SE.[/QUOTE]

True, why would a person repeat a girl who has bad service?

[QUOTE=Norweez;2461786]True, why would a person repeat a girl who has bad service?[/QUOTE]I have had sessions that went nowhere and were so bad I aborted them early because the girl adamantly refused to comply with what I needed and wanted in order to make it worth my time and money. Then I got a Line message 2 days later from the girl telling me she changed her mind and would I please give her a second chance.

Sometimes a "second chance" session under those circumstances can be damn good. But I recommend making it crystal clear that if she doesn't do what she is now promising she will do and with the right attitude there will not be one baht in payment, not even taxi fare this time.

Looking at it from the "how much?" aspect of a session instead of the "what for?" aspect of it, wouldn't you agree to see a girl for another good session if the first time around she held firm at 2,500 baht but the next time around she offered the same good service and time for 1,500 baht?

The same thing can apply to the "what for?" aspect of a session.

Imo, repeating for greatly improved service is as good a reason to repeat as doing so for a much lower price, if not an even better reason to do it. But it needs to be locked in with an "or you don't pay anything this time" agreement. If she refuses to agree to those terms then she is very likely planning to waste your time and still get paid something anyway again.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2461903] repeating for greatly improved service is as good a reason to repeat as doing so for a much lower price, if not an even better reason to do it. [/QUOTE]I have a slightly different take on this. If the original session was bad I wouldn't do a repeat no matter what the girl said or promised she would do the next time or how good looking she was. Fuck her. She had her chance. There are so many nice girls around. I don't see the point in wasting my time on a loser. But if the original session was ok, but just not great and I felt there was a sincere willingness on the girl's part to make it better and I really liked the way she looked, then I would do a repeat and have done so on several occasions. Sometimes a repeat under those circumstances can be very rewarding and lead to a real nice friendship. Ha Ha. But I got to feel that sincerity to please on the girl's part and the room for improvement or else there is no point.

On the flip side, I have occasionally had first night sessions that were fucking amazing and I really looked forward to repeating with the girl, but every once in a while that highly anticipated repeat turns out to be a big let down. Go figure. Although come to think of it, one of the last times something like that happened to me was when I barfined the original girl's girl friend in between our two nights together. Apparently the original girl did not like my barfining her friend which she made abundantly clear to me on our 2nd night together. So, she made passionate love to me the 1st night and on our 2nd night she was an assembly line - very mechanical. For example: we bareback shagged in the shower with only my feet on the tile floor the 1st night vrs. covered sex in the bed, no DFK the 2nd night. At the time I felt the entire 3 night experience was comical and depressing so I dropped both girls. Ha Ha, but looking back it was a great punting memory, especially that all in 1st night with the original girl. I only wish there could have been a couple more sessions like that first night. I guess I blew it. But I should add that I met both girls at the same time and there was talk of a ménage a trois before I decided to take the original girl first and do her friend later so technically I did nothing that anyone should have gotten upset about. But then I am not a 18 year old Khmer hostess girl, so what do I know. 555.

[QUOTE=DazeUp;2461566] I never repeated, variety is what I'm looking for when I travel. But now I know that if I find a gem Ill repeat, just not everyday, maybe twice a week max, if I had a bad session.[/QUOTE]There have been several posts now responding to Dazeup's post about repeating after a bad session. I believe we have misinterpreted the meaning of his post. Originally I had the same thought as others, why would you repeat a bad session. After reading his post a second time I believe his intent was to say that he rarely repeats, but after having a bad session instead of taking another new girl he will repeat with one of his better sessions in order to not have 2 bad sessions in a row.

I could be wrong, LOL.

[QUOTE=DazeUp;2461562]I have no doubt that what you are saying is true and is the best way to go, however, I think it is more geared towards people living in Thailand or people who spend long periods of time there.[/QUOTE]Living somewhere or being a long time visitor has nothing to do with nothing. I say this because I do the same thing everywhere I go. This is part of a report from 2007, my first and only time in Dubai. We left with some Ethiopian chicks out of a pick-up disco and went back to their place without discussing money or anything. These chicks started out wanting 1000 dirham, which at today's rate is US $272. We got them down to 150 dirham, or US $40 at today's rate. We spent the night at their place, me, my wingman, and the 2 chicks, all in the same bed.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;653175]we got deeper into our girls. we took their breasts out and started sucking them. i reached over to feel the tits of my wingmans 20-year-old girl. how supple they were. then it was back to dfk and ass grabbing. i started putting my hands inside of her pants in order to see how smooth her ass was. just then, out of nowhere, the subject of money came up! what a mood ruiner. they started with a number but it was in no way magic. 1000. be serious. i countered with 150. they laughed, but finally came down to 500. this is the part of the game where me and my wingman play good-monger, bad-monger.

my girl questioned why we would not give them at least 500. she said that the other guy had just parted with 1000 for their roommate. i told her that its a good thing for me that i was not the other guy. they went on to explain to us how they have to pay 4500 dirham/month for the apartment and 1000 (i dont remember if it was dollars or dirham) every three months for a visa. i was thinking to myself that surely this roach motel does not cost 4500 dirham/month. that is more than my fucking mortgage.

my wingman took over negotiations and using the classic line (havent you ever heard the saying that some money is better than no money?) that he uses worldwide was able to seal the deal at 150 dirham for each of them.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=DazeUp;2461562]There was a clear difference between girls asking about 1000 baht and the girls in Gogo's asking 2-3000 baht, regardless of the venue. I fully understand that those same girls may have a hotter cousin or sister working at the mall or supermarket, but as a tourist with about 2 weeks to spend there, I'd rather get right to business with a quick transaction than to chase after cuties in malls with a 50/50 chance I may make a score, or may be offensive, esp since I don't speak any Thai.[/QUOTE]The thing is that this is Pattaya. You do not need a gogo to get right to business. You only need a gogo to fleece you of your money. 90% of the chicks you fix your eyes to here are on the game. That means there is no chasing and no Thai is needed (most speak English anyway. I don't know where it comes from that English is not common among chicks in Pattaya). See a chick walking down the street or in a store and it is simply where are you going? (The first chick I fucked in Thailand (Angels Disco, Nana Hotel, Bangkok 2005) told me the most important thing you need to know to pick up chicks in Thailand is Where are you going; and she taught me to say it in Thai. The first Thai words I learned.) I am going with you.

You see a cutie in the mall. It is simply, what time you finish work; I want to meet with you. It is shooting fish in a barrel that does not have water in it. You can not miss. I have made report after report after report of this nature. If you are shy or whatever and have a fear of approaching a woman unless it is in a hooker den, then that is a horse of another color.

[QUOTE=DazeUp;2461562]The girls who messaged me after a session, I'm pretty sure that if I told them I only had 700 to spend they would still come over, its better than nothing, one girl even volunteered to come for less. But I have also come across girls who would not budge from their stated price, because with so many other punters around, it won't be long before they get what they are asking for and I have seen that happen over and over again.[/QUOTE]Chicks have messaged me wanting to come, and me not wanting to be bothered have told them I do not have any money. At which time they have said not to worry about money and that everything is not about money.

I fucked a chick the other day that wanted 1000 for short time. I told her that long time is 1000 and short time is 700. She opted for short time. I went to her room and fucked her. I told her that from now on I was only giving her 500 for short time and she agreed.

I think it all comes down to mongering style. A lot of times I read guys saying it is only an X baht difference. Don't go home wishing you had just went ahead and paid it. The truth of the matter is that today I remember none of the girls that would not budge. My mongering style is to get right to the point. Let's go fuck. How much do you want? If a chick does not want to accept what I am willing to pay or I am not willing to pay what she will accept, then it goes in one ear and out the other and I simply move to the next. There is no regretting and harping on it was only X more baht and could have possibly been the mother of all mongering sessions. Maybe for a guy that has to have some needle in a haystack he was seeking out that it took him 3 days to find, but I have never seen a turtle with speed or a chick that I need. And here in Thailand, there are so many chicks that will accept what I am paying, that a beat is not skipped if I don't reach an agreement with one.

Now if my mongering style was to be caked up in some bar or gogo or even disco plying a chick with drinks, aka making an investment trying to establish some chemistry, rapport, or whatever else, then the it is only an X baht difference may come into play. Hell, I would have already invested so much time and money in the chick, so sure then maybe go ahead and pay it. Good thing for me is that I am not that kind of monger. I prefer the no investment speed dating style over the investment courtship style. If she will not budge, then I have lost nothing, and I remember it the same way as I remember what I had for lunch on January 16th.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2461925]I have a slightly different take on this. If the original session was bad I wouldn't do a repeat no matter what the girl said or promised she would do the next time or how good looking she was. Fuck her. She had her chance. There are so many nice girls around. I don't see the point in wasting my time on a loser. But if the original session was ok, but just not great and I felt there was a sincere willingness on the girl's part to make it better and I really liked the way she looked, then I would do a repeat and have done so on several occasions. Sometimes a repeat under those circumstances can be very rewarding and lead to a real nice friendship. Ha Ha. But I got to feel that sincerity to please on the girl's part and the room for improvement or else there is no point.

On the flip side, I have occasionally had first night sessions that were fucking amazing and I really looked forward to repeating with the girl, but every once in a while that highly anticipated repeat turns out to be a big let down. Go figure. Although come to think of it, one of the last times something like that happened to me was when I barfined the original girl's girl friend in between our two nights together. Apparently the original girl did not like my barfining her friend which she made abundantly clear to me on our 2nd night together. So, she made passionate love to me the 1st night and on our 2nd night she was an assembly line - very mechanical. For example: we bareback shagged in the shower with only my feet on the tile floor the 1st night vrs. covered sex in the bed, no DFK the 2nd night. At the time I felt the entire 3 night experience was comical and depressing so I dropped both girls. Ha Ha, but looking back it was a great punting memory, especially that all in 1st night with the original girl. I only wish there could have been a couple more sessions like that first night. I guess I blew it. But I should add that I met both girls at the same time and there was talk of a mnage a trois before I decided to take the original girl first and do her friend later so technically I did nothing that anyone should have gotten upset about. But then I am not a 18 year old Khmer hostess girl, so what do I know. 555.[/QUOTE]I agree with you about "Fuck her. She had her chance" and not repeating under any circumstances if the session was bad for reasons beyond her stopping everything cold at the moment of penetration because a "go with the flow in the room" approach went horribly bad for me and she would in no way go for, lay there for or allow BBFS+CIP or replace it with BBBJ+CIM, which is what I was alluding to in my example.

At that point, the session is over and I will pay her something for her time and whatever else we've done up to that point, on a case by case basis. Often I will pay the entire going rate or what we agreed on. My bad for "going with the flow in the room" instead of making the "what for?" part of the arrangement as clear as possible upfront.

In which case the girl changing her mind later and wanting a second chance is fine, can even be great. But she would need to agree to those "if I don't, then you don't pay me anything" terms. I have also worked a lower payment into second chance sessions like that.

I have definitely had the second session go the way you described after taking a girl's friend or even just another girl in the same bar when the first girl wasn't around! LOL. Hell, I've had girls I've taken 4 times say NO to a fifth time after I dared to take another girl from the same bar in between.

Thumbs down!

This place is the last place before reaching Soi Bukhao.

I picked a girl and we agreed on bumbum for 1000.

When I asked for 69 she said anything apart from 69. Just my luck. I asked if menses was the problem she said no. Stubborn as a pig.

Was she a LB and that was why she didn't want any position that afforded close scrutiny? Didn't look like a LB at all though.

I gave her 200 and left to have a foot massage in Soi Bukhao.

[QUOTE=XXL;2461983]Thumbs down!

This place is the last place before reaching Soi Bukhao.

I picked a girl and we agreed on bumbum for 1000.

When I asked for 69 she said anything apart from 69. Just my luck. I asked if menses was the problem she said no. Stubborn as a pig.

Was she a LB and that was why she didn't want any position that afforded close scrutiny? Didn't look like a LB at all though.

I gave her 200 and left to have a foot massage in Soi Bukhao.[/QUOTE]Was she a 1000 baht quality girl? Usually, girls know their own worth and all it takes is a few more hundreds to get what you want. Maybe due to the recession in Pattaya and she wasn't able to get her ass waxed, and she didn't want you to see?

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2461938]There have been several posts now responding to Dazeup's post about repeating after a bad session. I believe we have misinterpreted the meaning of his post. Originally I had the same thought as others, why would you repeat a bad session. After reading his post a second time I believe his intent was to say that he rarely repeats, but after having a bad session instead of taking another new girl he will repeat with one of his better sessions in order to not have 2 bad sessions in a row.

I could be wrong, LOL.[/QUOTE]Yeah, thanks HP, that's exactly what I meant. The only time I would consider repeating is if I had a bad session and didn't want to risk another one with a new girl. But Thai girls almost always came through with good service.

Variety is appealing, I sessioned with a black girl, a Filipina (not much for variety in Thailand I guess) and considered a Hispanic and white chic but their looks didn't really match the premium they were asking for the variety aspect they were offering.

One reason why I regret the no repeat rule was there was this one girl in her early thirties that I found online. I shoot for younger but she had a nice exotic look about her and a very nice body. I told her you have a nice body and she responded; I know. After we agreed on price she asked me for a pic. I sent her a full body pic without showing my face. She says she needs the face pic. I asked her what she needs the face pic for, were not dating, its an ST thing. She says she won't come without a face pic. So I send her another pic with my eyes blurred out. She sends an angry face and says that she can't see my face properly, LOL. I say F her to myself and ignore her, thinking shell eventually message me about location. She doesn't LOL. So eventually after about 2 hours I give in and she wins, I send her a face pic. We agree on a time.

When she walks through the door, she is very elegant, she looks better than her pics. She's wearing a very nice long dress so I can't make out the body that much, but it added to the aura of class and elegance about her (yeah, I know she is a hooker, but goes to show.). We so small talk for a while before getting down to business.

There was no rush at all, she gave this unforgettable slow BJ and alternated between a slow sensual BJ and a slow sensual HJ in exact intervals, you would have though she was timing it with a stopwatch. I let her have full control of the action after that experience and just let her lead the way to see what else she would do. Stellar session it was, her body was as beautiful as the pics she sent. She had a darker tone to her, I'm not familiar with the areas in Thailand but it was just the perfect complexion in my opinion.

After the session and she showered, she stuck around for some conversation. I usually try not to talk much and give short answers so as to give them the hint there's nothing else going on here and its time to go. But she just looked so nice and exotic in that dress and the conversation was intelligent, I was enjoying it. I asked her if she wanted anything to drink, but when I opened the fridge I had nothing but water left. We talked until she said she had to go about an hour or so later.

The next day she messaged and I ignored her looking for that greener grass. I would definitely repeat with her or a girl like her again in the future. Hopefully wouldn't click to the point of attachment and get stuck with her like an idiot, but it is definitely a possibility that I would be that idiot and let that happen if she kept going on like that.