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Thanks Mortman for the great reports. I'm sitting in Sharjah, strict Muslim city during Ramadon waiting my 3 days before returning to home to Cebu and the reports help. Ayalla is definitely a great place to pick up little Pinay's. My current steady girl said that Ayalla is the place she use to go get Protein for her eyes. The girls know thats a great place for foreigners looking for girls.

Also, I will now get to check out a new bar you mentioned. The Blue Angel Bikini Bar. I will check it out and report.

More Reports to come as I want to give to the site. Just new to the site and been busy with work.

Peace out!

Just going to give my two cents on this dating site and my experiences. I have never used DIA so can't make the comparison. I used FH to get aquainted with filipina girls before going on my first trip to the PI. I was going with a co-worker who lived in Manila and was married with a family. So I signed up and chatted with quite a few and set up 2 dates in Manila as we were going to spend 3 days in Manila before heading to the Province of Mindoro. When I got to Manila, we went out the first night with my friend and his wife and I never invited my first date along. We headed to a few places before ending up at the Firehouse in EDSA. I met a girl there that was so amazing (my first filipina) that I forgot all about the date that I had set up. Next night, made the rounds again, hooked up with a girl at a bar called Armazonia and her 3 friends. All four wanted to take me home and I was shy in front of my friends wife to take four back to the hotel, but my friend said she would think I was gay if I didn't. I only took the one girl, but did hook up with her friend the next night for my first threesome. My point is, I can't remember, I think I had a couple dates set up? They both went out the window as I was in so deep having fun. If I would of hooked up with these two dates, I wouldn't of met the prettiest girl I have ever had sex with and the best threesome I have ever had, which after that experience, have had many. This was my first time in the Philippines and I was with friends so not a good time to be meeting girls from FH. I would of lost out on a lot of good times on my first trip.

So, I was hooked and was going back to the PI every 3 month. During the downtime at work on the road in hotels and time away from the PI, I used FH to talk with a whole bunch of girls and really figure these girls out. I was always honest and primarily made a bunch of friends. I never told them any lies and my yM is packed of good filipina's if I ever decide to lock down on one.

I was heading to Cebu with my friend for the first time this last Valentines day and I did set up two dates in Cebu and I had 4 other numbers to call. I met this first girl who was 22 years old, full-time student and worked 30 hours a week. She had been with one American who was 34 years old and he ditched her for another filipina. We met at her work and we went out alone. We went out to a few quiet places and on the hilltop to look over all of Cebu. Then we ended up at Juliano's. I ordered her a shot of Tequila and we had 3 beers and it was on. I kissed her and after that, she couldn't keep her hands off me. We danced and it was time to take this girl home. I found out 3 beers and a shot ia a lot for this girl. I demanded I take her home so took her to her house. A lot of kissing and me thinking why am I so nice as she wanted to go to my hotel. If she wouldn't of been tanked, done deal on the first night. Next day, we went to the beach. She brought her work clothes and after a little while, said lets go to my hotel and we can relax and you can get cleaned up and dressed before work. Five minutes in the room I had her clothes off and 10 minutes I was putting the wood to her. She made it to work late and she came back after. I spent 4 days with her and had a blast. Every night she would have to be home at midnight which left me time to play. I did meet the other girl with her friend at Ayalla for some food. She was pretty but knew what I had waiting when I was ready. They so tried to get me to go out drinking and to the club, but didn't have enough time. So I said my byes and we still chat as we are just friends. But she is always trying to hook me up with some of her friends, which I might take her up on.

I am heading to Manila in 3 days with 7 hours overnight to kill before heading to the US to visit. It is such long travel that I don't want to hit the bars and do the scene. So I have a 29 year old meeting me at my hotel when I get in. I have never met her in person, only on the cam. She does massage and thats what I am wanting on my layover. I have been straight up with her about my intentions and she is all good. I have been chatting with her for a couple months so I didn't just start chatting with her. I will report on how it was.

I have had tons of time spent on FH, but only 2 meetings which both were sucessful as I know the 2 girls were a slamm dunk as well. And this one coming up in 3 days. I live in the PI on my days off so I don't really need to set up dates is the only reason I don't have more meets. But I still use it because I'm addicted to filipina's and when I'm away I still want to chat with them and meet new ones. If money ever comes up, or mention of a cam show I DELETE ASAP. I consider myself a good judge of character so its been relatively easy for me to find some good ones. I never tell them any lines of bullshit and this gives me huge points, even if I slip a little BS in. There. The only dilemna is, you become attached to some of these girls and want to meet them and its hard when they live all over the Country. I can assure you this, I have chatted with quite a few girls on FH that live in Cebu and surrounding area and there are many good girls on this site.

Long story, but needed to post.

Peace out!

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Tell us about the spinners Mortman.

Your there on the front line, whats your take on them?

Mortman,

I really love your posts. Thanks for them.

However, I do have a question, in that you pay the girls after you're done. Like in your last story, you meet them and right away they start fucking you, so is that 100% that they are working girls? I mean, what if you didn't pay them and just said goodbye and just said you'd call them later (or something like that)?

My concern is that when I go around the malls and happen to pick up a girl, and happen to end up back in my room and we fuck, I don't want to finish and then have her asking me for money for the sex. I don't mind paying for it, but how can I distinguish which girls are pros and which are 'real' girls?

[QUOTE=Byung]Mortman,

I really love your posts. Thanks for them.

However, I do have a question, in that you pay the girls after you're done. Like in your last story, you meet them and right away they start fucking you, so is that 100% that they are working girls? I mean, what if you didn't pay them and just said goodbye and just said you'd call them later (or something like that)?

My concern is that when I go around the malls and happen to pick up a girl, and happen to end up back in my room and we fuck, I don't want to finish and then have her asking me for money for the sex. I don't mind paying for it, but how can I distinguish which girls are pros and which are 'real' girls?[/QUOTE]

I am not an expert by any means and there are far more experienced members who can give a more qualified opinion than me, but I wll give you my take on the matter.

None of the girls will usually ask for money, they are far too conservative for that and to do so would make them feel like a prostitute, whether or not they are. The key is to treat them in a way that you show appreciation by giving them money, even if your aim is to see them again or stay with them. Remember that 1000 - 2000 pesos to us is chicken feed, but to a Filipina it is a lot of money. Someone once said that poverty is the greatest aphrodisiac known to man and you have to realise that many of these girls would not give you or I the time of day if they had money.

If you just fucked them and said good bye then yes you could easily get away with that, but I would not condone that kind of behaviour but to answer your question yes they are easily exploitable. Even the ones that fuck for money have an air of innocence about them, something that I find so alluring. Please do not assume that just because they will not talk about money it does not mean that they do not expect money. They will be deeply upset and offended if you fucked them and did not give them anything but more than likely they would not say anything to you. I would never dream of doing this. Most of the girls you will meet will treat you with respect and genuine affection and I simply reward this with what I consider to be a fair price. Even if you fuck them and ask them directly how much money they want, very few will actually name a price, they will leave it up to you.

As to being able to distinguish a working girl from a genuine girl all I would say is that if she agrees to go back to your room and fuck she is what you would term a working girl. But I do not like this term since it implies they are hardened professionals and nothing could be farther from the truth. These girls do not act like working girls or dress like working girls and they will only make eye contact with you and smile. In my (humble) opinion the scene here is not so black and white as you will find in places like Thailand and apart from the obvious pros, it is one big grey area, but one that is immense fun nonetheless. You have to make the initial approach if wandering around the malls and you will have to strike up a conversation with them, but it can pay huge dividends.

If you find a girl that you really like then do not ask them directly if they will come back to your hotel, if the girl is just a regular normal girl she will be offended by this. Do it in a more subtle way, like mentioning you would like to spend time with her but that you need a shower. You can then ask if if she wants to come back and wait for you and if she says yes then you are halfway home. If she declines, it means that she does not fuck for money (well at least not on the first date) and you may have a potential long term gf if that is what you are looking for.....but please remember she will probably need your help just as much.

If a girl stays with you it is normal to show your appreciation by paying at the end of your time together and as a general rule of thumb if you are happy with the girl I would normally pay a minumium of around 1000 pesos per day. Some pay more than this, it is entirely up to you. Obviously you will take care of all the day to day expenses on top of that. All the girls that I mentioned in my reports that I posted about Ayalla, none of them ever mentioned or discussed money and that will happen in most cases. If you meet a girl that mentions money, chances are that she is a pro. You will find the girls often talk about not being able to continue with their studies, and the struggle they have coping, this is their way of hinting gently that they will appreciate your help in a financial way.

Remember that my opinions refer to girls that you generally meet in malls but many of the observations also apply to girls that have regular jobs such as waitresses and shop assistants. There is an altogether entirely different scene available also in Cebu if you want the more recognised type of regular working girl and this topic is covered extensively in previous reports by other members.

Hope this is of some help Byung and I am glad you have enjoyed my posts. Let us all know how you get on.........good luck!

[QUOTE=Mortman]

Hope this is of some help Byung and I am glad you have enjoyed my posts. Let us all know how you get on.........good luck!

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Sounds like solid advice to me, thanks.

Slim

[QUOTE=Byung]
However, I do have a question, in that you pay the girls after you're done. Like in your last story, you meet them and right away they start fucking you, so is that 100% that they are working girls? I mean, what if you didn't pay them and just said goodbye and just said you'd call them later (or something like that)?
My concern is that when I go around the malls and happen to pick up a girl, and happen to end up back in my room and we fuck, I don't want to finish and then have her asking me for money for the sex. I don't mind paying for it, but how can I distinguish which girls are pros and which are 'real' girls?[/QUOTE]

If you meet a girl in the mall or on the street and you are back in your hotel within 30 minutes or less and your banging her, it is likely that several of us here have also banged her. Please put something in her hand 500-1000 pesos to help her with her or her families needs. She is NOT banging you because your Brad Pitt or your smooth pickup lines. She has to pay the boarding house or her child needs formula.

SOME will say before they come back that the have a problem and hope you can help them. At that time I tell them what I tip short time and my expectations. If they don't say anything, I tell them, that I can help them a little and then I tell them my expectations. I have had no one turn down my offers of 600 pesos short time and if I am really happy a extra 100 pesos for short time. Everyone asked me when they left, if they had made me happy.

Just a note from the front lines. Having fun in the sun.

[QUOTE=Vandaddio]Tell us about the spinners Mortman.
Your there on the front line, whats your take on them?[/QUOTE]
Plenty of wow action from subic bay to davao. Buses, Jeepneys, Malls and street corners.

Mortman you have written some of the most perceptive, and most accurate posts I've read here in years, and I congratulate you on your perspicacity and your obvious sensitivity.

Many of the new guys who coming here for the first time want "rules:" about how much to pay, how to recognize pro, from semi-pro from "normal;" about how to get her back to the room and about pretty much everything short of the sex act itself. This is understandable I suppose, and would be appropriate in places like Thailand and even Vietnam, where the dividing line between p4p ladies and "others" is fairly distinct. As Mortman so accurately points out however, here in the Philippines, the case is different.

For one thing, Filipinos in general, and young women in particular are often reluctant to confront anything controversial--and money for sex is controversial--directly. This is, above all else, an extraordinarily poor country, and most people need money, but the need gets mingled with equal parts embarrassment and shame, so many girls will not be direct. It's better for all concerned I think--for you and for them--not to obsess about how much you're going to pay, and just to go with the flow. Enjoy the girls' company, take whatever enjoyment you can, and be as generous as possible without crossing the line to ludicrous. The money for the most part, is small change to you and it's a big deal to them, so to agonize about weather to give someone Php1,000 or Php1,500 is inane. Make no mistake however, the need for money is ubiquitous; they will all expect something at the end and they will expect you to understand this need.

Second, regardless of what you may hear, Filipinas are brought up to respect (often to the point of subservience) older people, and they're often somewhat uncomfortable around foreigners since they will almost instinctively assume that a foreigner is somehow superior to them. Though this may seem like (and is) nonsense to us, it's how many of them--especially those from the more rural areas--feel. This sense of insecurity, compounded by the factors cited above, makes it even more difficult for these ladies to discuss money with you. It makes them embarrassed and uncomfortable.

I'm in a relationship and I'm well out of the game now, but one thing that never changes is the principle of treating others with respect. Some guys--mainly those who could not get a woman to glance at them in their own countries--seem to enjoy humiliating the women they're with, assuming that because they're paying for her time, they somehow have the right to treat them however they choose. Many of these girls are desperate and will tolerate such behavior, which reinforces the belief of these cretins that they have the right to be as boorish as they please.

The bottom line? Treat the ladies with respect and enjoy their company. Don't worry about how much you're going to give them in the end, and just let common sense guide your actions.

GE

Mortman has already given you a great answer.

My answer is that sometimes you can't differentiate between what is real and what is property for sale. And why should you? Are you interested in a wife?

I'll assume not.

Even if it is what some people call a FREEBIE, you should try to offer some kind of taxi money or gifts or etc. The pros will ask you to take them to the mall, but I've found that rare outside of the usual p4p destinations.

Or, if we make a day of it, I give her a big amount. She usually will decline. I say, "I'm on holiday and don't want to think about money -- you take care of everything."

At the end of the day, she still has a wad (of money). Sometimes she offers to give it back, sometimes she doesn't. If she doesn't, it is still money well spent. I dislike having to deal with money too much. Let someone else do it for you.

Sometimes I give her taxi fare home, sometimes I give her extra and suggest she come back tomorrow.

Anyway, Byung, if you don't want them to ask for money, make sure they have enough. If you are trying to get complete freebies, I'm disappointed. If you want to find a wife or a girlfriend, things get more complicated.



X

[QUOTE=Byung]Mortman,

I really love your posts. Thanks for them.

However, I do have a question, in that you pay the girls after you're done. Like in your last story, you meet them and right away they start fucking you, so is that 100% that they are working girls? I mean, what if you didn't pay them and just said goodbye and just said you'd call them later (or something like that)?

My concern is that when I go around the malls and happen to pick up a girl, and happen to end up back in my room and we fuck, I don't want to finish and then have her asking me for money for the sex. I don't mind paying for it, but how can I distinguish which girls are pros and which are 'real' girls?[/QUOTE]

Typing away, but Due to virtual time lag or whatever, GE posted his message to Mortman before I did.

I don't think my message is so different that GE, but his is much more succinct. I don't want my lengthly message to discourage anyone from reading on to GE's message. It is quoted below....


[QUOTE=GoodEnough]Mortman you have written some of the most perceptive, and most accurate posts I've read here in years, and I congratulate you on your perspicacity and your obvious sensitivity.

Many of the new guys who coming here for the first time want "rules:" about how much to pay, how to recognize pro, from semi-pro from "normal;" about how to get her back to the room and about pretty much everything short of the sex act itself. This is understandable I suppose, and would be appropriate in places like Thailand and even Vietnam, where the dividing line between p4p ladies and "others" is fairly distinct. As Mortman so accurately points out however, here in the Philippines, the case is different.

For one thing, Filipinos in general, and young women in particular are often reluctant to confront anything controversial--and money for sex is controversial--directly. This is, above all else, an extraordinarily poor country, and most people need money, but the need gets mingled with equal parts embarrassment and shame, so many girls will not be direct. It's better for all concerned I think--for you and for them--not to obsess about how much you're going to pay, and just to go with the flow. Enjoy the girls' company, take whatever enjoyment you can, and be as generous as possible without crossing the line to ludicrous. The money for the most part, is small change to you and it's a big deal to them, so to agonize about weather to give someone Php1,000 or Php1,500 is inane. Make no mistake however, the need for money is ubiquitous; they will all expect something at the end and they will expect you to understand this need.

Second, regardless of what you may hear, Filipinas are brought up to respect (often to the point of subservience) older people, and they're often somewhat uncomfortable around foreigners since they will almost instinctively assume that a foreigner is somehow superior to them. Though this may seem like (and is) nonsense to us, it's how many of them--especially those from the more rural areas--feel. This sense of insecurity, compounded by the factors cited above, makes it even more difficult for these ladies to discuss money with you. It makes them embarrassed and uncomfortable.

I'm in a relationship and I'm well out of the game now, but one thing that never changes is the principle of treating others with respect. Some guys--mainly those who could not get a woman to glance at them in their own countries--seem to enjoy humiliating the women they're with, assuming that because they're paying for her time, they somehow have the right to treat them however they choose. Many of these girls are desperate and will tolerate such behavior, which reinforces the belief of these cretins that they have the right to be as boorish as they please.

The bottom line? Treat the ladies with respect and enjoy their company. Don't worry about how much you're going to give them in the end, and just let common sense guide your actions.

GE[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vandaddio]Tell us about the spinners Mortman.

Your there on the front line, whats your take on them?[/QUOTE]

I am here until tomorrow tonight being my last night in the Phillipines. I would like to help you out but I have no idea what your question relates to....sorry. I have never heard this term 'spinners' before?

Guys,

Do any of you know if the Marriott Cebu is close to most of the action?

Supposedly it's in an ideal location and across the street from a major shopping plaza-just wanted to confirm with somebody on the ground.

Thanks

Let's face it, over half the DIA members are scammers of some sort. It's quite natural that no one wants to be scammed but all want their scam to succeed whether it is to get into her pants or to make you part with your money for the baby's formula.

Don't know about Pinays at home but it's whole different thing overseas.
In November I spent 5 days in Manila recruiting skilled people for my project in Qatar. They agree to work for an average of QAR 4,000/m (~$1,100), pay QAR600/m for "bed-space" but wear "branded" jeans and possess the latest cell-phone. None of my business, I know.
The heart-breaking poverty (imagine this - Burger King chic makes P3,000/m, Hyatt's limo r/t to the agent's office P1,400), the things they do just to get to the interview, simply shocking!
Just before the crisis hit banks in Qatar (quite late), we lost over half of those who took off with the bank's money (one guy did QAR350,000). I have no problem with this; banks are fully cognizant of the risks of easy-lending.
Fortunately for me, that brought me to Manila again.

I'm not judging anyone, just reporting my experience.

[QUOTE=Common Sense]Guys,

Do any of you know if the Marriott Cebu is close to most of the action?

Supposedly it's in an ideal location and across the street from a major shopping plaza-just wanted to confirm with somebody on the ground.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Marriott is a good place to go if your not worried about the price. It isn't for the budget monger. You will be well taken care of and no problems bringing in as many girls as you want. Also a very great bartender at the bar next to the lobby. He can help you out with any questions you might have. The Marriott is also connected to Ayalla Mall and is 5 minutes from Mango, where there is action. I have stayed there quite a bit on my first few adventures in Cebu as a result of me having some free nights and then I just stayed because I enjoyed it.

Peace out!