Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Turgid;2490338]Giving many different women cash for sex is very enjoyable but there comes a time in a man's life when he must settle down. Dying alone is not nice. Marrying an American woman is not an option.[/QUOTE]That is exactly my position. The American born women are not what I want and there are too few available Asian born women in America. I don't want to live in Asia and bringing an Asian woman to USA has proven dangers. I may be destined to travel to Thailand as long as I can fuck and then die alone.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2490299]"You can be at their feet. On their knees. But never in their hands. ".

Talleyrand (1754 - 1838).[/QUOTE]The quote is actually "You can be at their feet. Their knees. But not in their hands. ".

[QUOTE=Turgid;2490338]Dying alone is not nice.[/QUOTE]Every human being on this planet was born alone (besides twins) and will die alone!

Every! You can not change this!

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2490394]there are too few available Asian born women in America. bringing an Asian woman to USA has proven dangers.[/QUOTE]So what is the difference in an Asian born woman bringing herself or some other person bringing her to the USA or you bringing her to the USA yourself? Either way it is an Asian born woman in the USA, which you want but don't want? This is confusing as fuck. So you want her there as long as you don't have to help get her there?

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2490398]The quote is actually "You can be at their feet. Their knees. But not in their hands. ".[/QUOTE]Well I searched for both and could not find either. Care to explain what it is supposed to mean?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2490404]So what is the difference in an Asian born woman bringing herself or some other person bringing her to the USA or you bringing her to the USA yourself? Either way it is an Asian born woman in the USA, which you want but don't want? This is confusing as fuck. So you want her there as long as you don't have to help get her there?[/QUOTE]I thought that it was rather obvious what he meant, he want Asian women but don't want to be the one bringing them to the US given all the time and problems that would arise. Not all confusing to me. He could move to Sweden, it's full of Thai ladies.

If one marries a foreigner you may be responsible for them for 10 years. The US government in this case would have a lien on your property. Anyone willing to fact check this? A lawyer told this to my friend who was enamored with a Brazilian woman.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2490413]If one marries a foreigner you may be responsible for them for 10 years. The US government in this case would have a lien on your property. Anyone willing to fact check this? A lawyer told this to my friend who was enamored with a Brazilian woman.[/QUOTE]A guy has to be out of his god damn mind to even contemplate marrying one of these girls. I don't care how nice they are or how much "love" you think there is in the relationship. Love them, live with them, support them if you like for however long the relationship stays fresh, but marriage eventually becomes a prison and potentially financial suicide UNLESS you have a prenup, but if you went to all the trouble of getting a prenup, why fall for a marriage game in the first place. It's crazy. Live Free! Nothing lasts forever.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2490404]So what is the difference in an Asian born woman bringing herself or some other person bringing her to the USA or you bringing her to the USA yourself? Either way it is an Asian born woman in the USA, which you want but don't want? This is confusing as fuck. So you want her there as long as you don't have to help get her there?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2490406]I thought that it was rather obvious what he meant, he want Asian women but don't want to be the one bringing them to the US given all the time and problems that would arise. Not all confusing to me. He could move to Sweden, it's full of Thai ladies.[/QUOTE]ShooBree is exactly right.

It is also impossible to live in different hemispheres and get to know each other well enough for marriage. A couple months of holiday visits isn't the same thing as living together. And make no mistake, the fiancée visa is the only workable way for most of us to bring an Asian woman to America.

As was pointed out by Beijing4987 and Natty Bumpo, if you bring a woman to USA you have certain financial responsibilities and you absolutely need a prenup. When time comes to enforce the prenup (when, not if), it might be impossible to convince a court that a Thai woman even understood the prenup when she signed it before moving to America.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2490417]A guy has to be out of his god damn mind to even contemplate marrying one of these girls....[/QUOTE]If you mean P4P girls, I agree. But, Thailand has many good women that farang punters seldom meet.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2490413]If one marries a foreigner you may be responsible for them for 10 years. The US government in this case would have a lien on your property. Anyone willing to fact check this? A lawyer told this to my friend who was enamored with a Brazilian woman.[/QUOTE]I did a lot of research on this a couple of decades ago and, at that time, the deal was if you were the person arranging for a fiance visa and the lady stayed in the USA either as your wife or never married you or anyone else, you were on the hook for any costs to the state or federal government for her (or his) medical bills, housing, food, support, whatever. The USA Government was not interested in somebody being brought to the country and plopped down on the street for other taxpayers to foot the bills to support until they either became a U.S. citizen or get deported.

And I don't recall there being any 10 year time limit on your financial responsibilities in those days. It stretched until and if she became a USA Citizen. Then she was on her own in terms of financial responsibility.

If she didn't marry you but married someone else in the USA, "tag", he was now IT and assumed the responsibility until and if she became a USA Citizen.

Again, that was a couple of decades ago. Maybe it has changed since then. But I would proceed as though that is the way it still is unless I see it spelled out otherwise in clear and plain language on those visa sponsor forms I would be signing.

[QUOTE=AssAddict;2490369]It's still better than living with someone who wants you to die.[/QUOTE]Funny.

Couple of you tubers building houses in the village.

One old farang is building a $400,000 home in a $30,000 neighborhood. At least he has been married a long time.

The woman's family must be salivating.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2490438]If you mean P4P girls, I agree. But, Thailand has many good women that farang punters seldom meet.[/QUOTE]Looks like they don't want to meet them. Even though you can chat up normal ladies by the ton and it is even easy to fuck most of them, it seems that most guys who post here are fixated on the bars and gogos and not into meeting any "good women". So they find a bar or gogo girl that they like and they think they will be able to turn her into a good woman. Go figure. From my experience bar girls are good for 2 things: partying and fucking. If you are trying to do anything other than that with them then you are wasting your time.

Ok, let's get on with the story regarding Secret and I, taking up things from last September when we both left Pattaya.

So, did Secret actually leave Pattaya and go find non-adult work? Yes, she did, but not yet. Her trip home was delayed due to heavy rain and flooding which closed off a highway, but she made it back. Before she left, there was heaving rain in Isan and her mother told her there might be some damage to the house and the rice crops, which was worrisome to her. Now, a BG might have used this flooding as an excuse to ask for money from her boyfriend. And even though Secret had never asked me for money, she was now "retired" with no income source and, with my new knowledge that her friend and roommate was a hardened BG, might she have advised Secret to try to get money out of me? I actually would have been surprised if she had asked, but if she did, what would I do?

And this leads to a moral dilemma and a trap that brings doom upon the hapless gentleman who has fallen for a hardened BG. To help or not to help? If you have the means to help your "special" lady in need, and she is the one you want to marry or at least explore a relationship with in which you will take care of her (e. G. Spend money on her) at some point, why would you not help her? If her family may starve or lose the farm because you won't help them replace their dying water buffalo, then how can you say you love her? Why would she not dump you then and there if her need was real and you would not help? If you can't take care of her, why should she waste time on you? (Or, from a different perspective, if you have stopped giving her money after all the gifts you gave her in Pattaya, you obviously have run out of money so it would be time for her to move on and find someone else willing to be fleeced.) But a good reason not to give her money is because she is lying and if she is and you keep on giving her money, she will lie again and again while your odds of winning over her love in marriage or whatever will approach zero.

As the hardened mongerors will be quick to point out, moral questions such as this have no place in the mongering world. You go to the bar, pay your money, get your service and then you leave. Emotions are left outside the door of the jet that takes you home. If you do this, you don't fall in love, you don't have feelings, you don't buy them stupid gifts, you forget about them when you leave and you don't have to worry about being asked for money after you go home. But, well, things happen, and after around 250 BGs, I fell.

So here I am, waiting for Secret to get home and possibly ask me for money. I am possibly facing what is really my first moral issue with her. I loved her to at least some extent and believed she had been mostly honest with me, as far as I could tell. I was not at all convinced of her devotion to me and given our age difference and other differences, I knew the odds for us ending up together in a loving relationship was nil. I was willing to gamble a bit of money to keep her interest as I enjoyed being with her, but if she was going to ask for a large amount of money to allegedly fix her house at this early point in our possible relationship, I think I would have bugged out at that point as the risks were just too high. As the hardened mongerors will note, again correctly, once you find yourself handing money to a poor Isan girl their requests never stop. Haha Will I experience that?

I could go on regarding this subject, but I will spare you all and happily report the house and rice fields were intact and Secret didn't ask for a single satang. One moral crisis adverted. So while she never acted like a BG to me during this whole time, she wasn't acting so much like a GF either. But I probably wasn't acting like a boyfriend either, at least not the type a poor Isan girl wants to have. She asked for nothing and, well, I gave her nothing. There may be an east meets west situation brewing here.

But yeah, now at home, she spent time doing things around the farm, happy to be there and she gave her mother some rest from the cooking and housework and from monitoring the farm. I might add she loves where she lives and she told me that if I really wanted to come to know her that I would need to come visit her.

We texted morning and evening a bit, not a lot, just chatting about stuff and occasionally making plans for our Phuket trip in November. After not quite 2 weeks at home she then began to prepare to go to Bangkok to look for work, not really looking forward to it as she hates large cities, but happy that she could get back to work at a legit job at least as she needed to make money. Did she hint at me about needing money? Perhaps, but I was waiting to see if we could make it to Phuket before I started handing over cash to her.

One morning I woke up and found a photo from her. I opened up the photo and. Oh my God, her face was covered with blood!

[QUOTE=flhawk;2490486]one morning i woke up and found a photo from her. I opened up the photo and. Oh my god, her face was covered with blood![/QUOTE]And so. It begins!