Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1676527]It changes from night to night, but my best guess is that on a typical night the number of female Thai freelancers on Sukhumvit from soi 3 to Asoke is around 30 at best. Maybe 10 between soi 3 and soi 5 (who all get driven out by the Africans and the bars late at night), another 10 or so around Sofitel to the Thermae and then a few others around Robinsons. And the number of those that are attractive would be close to zero by most standards.[/QUOTE]Good observation. That stretch of lower Sukhumwit is deceivingly busy that I kept walking around often for years after the supply dried up.

The street looks long, bustling and potentially promising but the actual numbers of Thai freelancers are small (estimate of about 30 +/- 20 sounds correct). The ones that are passable are usually veterans who were around 8-10 years ago and still kept their looks, but only occasionally venture out these days.

A massive change over 5-10 years ago when there was always well over a 100 Thai freelancers on lower Sukhumwit at any time, some of them so good looking that I had to double back and ask them if they're working or just there by some accident. 1000 baht was the going rate and many were in no hurry to leave. I wouldn't mind prices doubling or even tripling if the selection and service remained similar... but there days that stretch no longer worthwhile except for people watching.

These days, the cheap Thai streetwalker areas (WW22 and Khlong Lot) actually have better numbers than Sukhumwit, although the service is abysmal (always has been), and there isn't even token friendliness: walk 10 paces behind to the ST hotel, stick it in, jiggle, gtfo.

[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1676554]I would estimate fewer than 10% of the FLs I saw were ladyboys, and I'm pretty good at spotting them. I saw African ladies west of the Sofitel, but very few on the east side. I wouldn't attempt to estimate how many of the ladies were looking for a customer, but on walks back from Soi Cowboy to the Sofitel after 2 am on average about half a dozen ladies would make a verbal solicitation and another dozen would make their intentions clear with eye contact.
[/QUOTE]I hardly even notice the street walkers anymore if in the area. They are not my scene. Very few stunners, if any, and many LBs. A stunner would certainly make me stop and take notice, but doesn't happen any more. I certainly would not try to guess the percentage of LBs since I just don't really pay enough attention, but I suspect well over 10% (a very low number indeed. Surely underexaggeration). Certainly a lot in vicinity very close to Nana. Used to be many nearly all the way to Asoke really, and even some on other side of Asoke. Maybe there is difference in behaviour. Seated ladies are more likely to be real ladies than those standing, I guess.

In the old days, if they came at me, I would always dodge and avoid, fearing mistaking a LB for a normal girl, and assuming the LBs were the aggressive ones.

I did not pay attention to African and other foreign ladies either. They were not special looking.

I feel like DRRonin is much closer to the mark on this topic.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1676476]Baccara is strict on how long the girls sit. Best you get is 5-10 minutes and they are back on the stage.[/QUOTE]So Baccara is a crappy bar IMHO. I don't even like very many of the plastic girls.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1676468]BKK was a great place. It had a "decent" quality of life for very little money. Sadly it still has "decent" quality of life but for twice and sometimes three times the price. Hey, I still love the food here, but would I choose this as my home now? Probably not.[/QUOTE]Outside of the mongering scene, Bangkok is still a good deal with decent quality of life, albeit not as inexpensive as it once was. Sure, many things doubled in price and some tripled, but they started off ridiculously low there was some inflation in all other places too. Long term expats generally anchor to prices back home at the time they left, disregarding a fact that they double as well.

Price-wise, Bangkok is now in the ballpark (bit cheaper, but rising) with 3rd tier cities in Europe and the USA, but is still a 1st tier mega-city with most of the benefits. Sadly, the freelancer scene has been crap since about 2010 now. Not exactly dead, just lively and busy enough to maintain some hope, but not to satisfy.

The last 3 nights I have gone to the park where the Uni girls hang out.

They need cash for their tuition.

Tight and horny.

1000 be.

Heading out now to find another.

Tango and wechat. Some pics / profiles show up with numbers and suggestive invitations. Scams or what is the hooker protocol for these apps? Looking for starved matures or compensated dating so not really in to romancing collage girls.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1676723]I hardly even notice the street walkers anymore if in the area.

I certainly would not try to guess the percentage of LBs since I just don't really pay enough attention, but I suspect well over 10% (a very low number indeed. Surely underexaggeration).

I feel like DRRonin is much closer to the mark on this topic.[/QUOTE]

Nor am I interested in picking up FLs. I do like to observe people. I think we're in agreement on numbers. I say a few dozen, 24-36. Others are saying 20 to 30. I'm including the stretches along the east side of Asoke between Sukhumvit and Soi Cowboy. I'm very confident in my estimates of lady boys, no more than one in ten. People overestimate unusual low frequency events. It is to be expected that most casual observers will overestimate the numbers of lady boys. There has been some excellent research on this subject. Kahneman & Tversky did pioneering research on this subject. I first became aware of it in the late 1980's. A simplified explanation is that people make the ridiculous assumption that their observations are unbiased samples of events. Nothing could be further from the truth. Infrequent events are more likely to catch our attention, as do unusual events. Lady boys are unusual and make up a fairly small percentage of the population so when we see a few they catch our attention and we think they are far more numerous than they really are. There is a plethora of empirical research on this topic.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1676730]Outside of the mongering scene, Bangkok is still a good deal with decent quality of life, albeit not as inexpensive as it once was. Sure, many things doubled in price and some tripled, but they started off ridiculously low there was some inflation in all other places too. Long term expats generally anchor to prices back home at the time they left, disregarding a fact that they double as well.

Price-wise, Bangkok is now in the ballpark (bit cheaper, but rising) with 3rd tier cities in Europe and the USA, but is still a 1st tier mega-city with most of the benefits. Sadly, the freelancer scene has been crap since about 2010 now. Not exactly dead, just lively and busy enough to maintain some hope, but not to satisfy.[/QUOTE]Prices back in TX have not accelerated at the rate that have in BKK. Mind you, BKK is still a great place for wonderful local food at very reasonable prices. But the multitude of "gastro-pubs" and other trendy eateries has definitely altered the price landscape of BKK. But if you want to eat good Western food, you can still get better deals in the US, and imported foods, forget it. Even when the baht was at its strongest we did not get a break on imports. Rents are still pretty good here as well. What has gone up in price the most? Alcohol and women. A horrid local beer in the supermarket is more than a good craft beer back in the US.

Agree with you completely about the FL scene. It seems it really died after the flood in '11. Gals left and never came back.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1676713]Over priced, yes. As a venue, I found it a bit overrated, despite having highly desirable company. It was quite windy up there, when I attended recently, and the view was not that special. Did not get a very good view from a normal seating position, I found. Maybe I failed to have the very best seats. I have found other rooftop high bars with a very decent view and much better prices. Just being the highest is not that special. Slightly lower can give better views. Can't see myself motivated to go a second time, unless a stunning girl really wants it.

Even Baiyoke Sky Hotel has pretty decent city lights views from some guest rooms. Also Column Hotel near Sukhumvit.[/QUOTE]The very best view from the State Tower Skybar is at night, up against the back rail overlooking the river. The day view ain't shabby, either. But anywhere else, especially seated in the eating part, isn't that spectacular. And the wait service is extremely spotty. Yet the food prices are quite high.

It was a "better" place (using the term loosely) before Hangover II. Then it got absolutely mobbed with tourists, the bar at night was 3 and 4 deep, what little quality the cocktails had before went out the window as said tourists fought over the privilege to pay $20 US for a drink. The last time I was there was to please a sort of blind date I had. But to go back on my own volition? Forget it!

but as has been pointed out it is cheaper than major cities in North America and Western Europe. Prices have risen in Bangkok and a US dollar no longer gets you forty-plus bahts. However, the favorable exchange rate was an aberration. Hotels are much cheaper in Bangkok, especially the high-end hotels. As FruitNinga recently pointed out a hotel in a first tier city in the USA comparable to the Sofitel would cost $500 a night. You can buy good street food for less than fast food in the USA; and high-end restaurants are much less expensive than comparable restaurants in the USA. For example, I have been to Zuma in Miami, Florida and Bangkok several times. The food, beverages, service and ambiance are comparable. But I spend less than half as much at the Zuma in Bangkok. The biggest difference is in the cost and quality of sex. A couple of weeks ago I went to a popular club in Miami. I spent several hours there, had several JW Blacks, bought a few drinks for a couple of the dancers. Had a good steak dinner and spent a couple hours in a backroom with a very attractive dancer. The room was comfortable but had no bed or shower, just a very large sofa. The lady was very attractive, in my opinion. I've attached three of many photos I've taken of her to illustrate what I consider attractive. She's twenty years old and wears a wrist band identifying her as too young to drink alcohol. I've been with this lady before; I was one of her first clients in the fall; and we've developed a good rapport. The first time with her was typical. Once we were in the backroom she was cold and mercenary. Though she claimed I was one of the first men to take her into a back room and she was nervous. Because of our relationship now the sex is much better than average for this type of venue in Miami. Still there was no DFK, and there was a CBJ and FS. In comparisons, every girl I've been with in Bangkok over the past two or three years provided a better sexual experience. As for cost, I got to use the private room for an additional half hour without being charged, and the girl gave me about 40% off the going rate at this club. The evening still ended up costing me over two thousand dollars.

I understand guys who have been living in Bangkok for a decade or more find the rising costs upsetting, if not downright painful. And it can be argued the costs in other cities are irrelevant if you are living in Bangkok. But if you weren't living in Bangkok, where would you live? Can you find a cheaper city offering as much as Bangkok? Depending on what you are looking for, that may not be so easy. If one is traveling from North America, a short stay is hard to justify. But if you're able to stay several weeks, Bangkok is a very reasonably priced place to monger.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1676726]So Baccara is a crappy bar IMHO. I don't even like very many of the plastic girls.[/QUOTE]Syz, I still think its probably the best bar in BKK as far as talent. I never s do the first floor. I like the second floor. There's now a third floor but I've not been. But we all like a different look.

I went to Nataree tonight with a local. Although it was 99% Asian punters I managed to snag a great girl. Very nice time and reasonable compared to gogos. I think between that and Dr BJ's I'm happy.

Natare had about 70 girls. The fishbowl girls were 2 K the other better looking girls were 2600. Don't know if I got lucky but I had a great experience. The local I was with had a good time as well. We're going again tomorrow. These will be my new regular places. I think I'm done with the gogos other than maybe to have a drink and look at scantily clad girls.

Next door to Nataree was a club called Emanuale. Looked huge. We stopped for a drink. Don't waste your time. Got a few good comments about Poseidon. Will take a peek tomorrow and see if its legit.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1676723]I hardly even notice the street walkers anymore if in the area. They are not my scene. Very few stunners, if any, and many LBs. A stunner would certainly make me stop and take notice, but doesn't happen any more. I certainly would not try to guess the percentage of LBs since I just don't really pay enough attention, but I suspect well over 10% (a very low number indeed. Surely underexaggeration). Certainly a lot in vicinity very close to Nana. Used to be many nearly all the way to Asoke really, and even some on other side of Asoke. Maybe there is difference in behaviour. Seated ladies are more likely to be real ladies than those standing, I guess.

In the old days, if they came at me, I would always dodge and avoid, fearing mistaking a LB for a normal girl, and assuming the LBs were the aggressive ones.

I did not pay attention to African and other foreign ladies either. They were not special looking.

I feel like DRRonin is much closer to the mark on this topic.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I'm not interested in either Africans or SWs. But there are those that do like that scene. It's 2 am and I just walked from Nana to Soi 15. Maybe 5 girls total. As I said before I think it's as random as people are random.

As much as BKK has gotten ridiculous as far as pricing I'll still be back next year. There's a lot of options to explore.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1676818]Natare had about 70 girls. The fishbowl girls were 2 K the other better looking girls were 2600. Don't know if I got lucky but I had a great experience. The local I was with had a good time as well.[/QUOTE]I've always had a good experience with the girls at Nataree. They're young, pretty and not very experienced, so don't expect a PSE, but if you go in with the right attitude and make it fun for the girl, you can have a very good time. I approach the girl like I'm dealing with a young teen in the USA, though the last time I was with a young teen, I was also a young teen and had no idea what I was doing. ;) Now that the rooms have been refurbished I think Nataree is well worth a visit.

Which door do you go in through? The one on the north side or south side of the building?

Mongers,

My time at Eden was great, although structured these gals have the proceed down part.

Great rimming, fantastic cock sucking and nice lesbo action.

Ladies a little older and some flab rolls, but overall good for me.

Would give the total experience a 6.5 to 7.

Loved getting my cock sucked BBBJ whilst ladies one was doing ladies 2 whilst moaning. I came buckets and lady 2 commented on how much she had in her hands.

Also went really hard on Lady 1's asshole.

I noticed she had tears in her eyes. Man I really did fuck her deep whilst Lady 2 gave my asshole a tongue bath.

Got to love this amazing place.

[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1676833]I've always had a good experience with the girls at Nataree. They're young, pretty and not very experienced, so don't expect a PSE, but if you go in with the right attitude and make it fun for the girl, you can have a very good time. I approach the girl like I'm dealing with a young teen in the USA, though the last time I was with a young teen, I was also a young teen and had no idea what I was doing. ;) Now that the rooms have been refurbished I think Nataree is well worth a visit.

Which door do you go in through? The one on the north side or south side of the building?[/QUOTE]Paul,

I went into the North door. The first one coming from the MRT stop. After I was done I couldn't help but checking out the other door. What a difference. Day and night. Both in quality and quantity of girls.

One of the papasans "cowboy" thin, maybe early 60's was pretty animated. Joked with him a lot. I think that will go a long way in helping pick the better providers.

I'm done with the gogos. As I said between Nataree and Dr BJ's I'm set. Watching a little soccer last night I met a guy from South Africa. Says the women are amazing and available in both versions. Pay and free. Hmm. You ever been to South Africa?