Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2941280]I can see this is emotionally very difficult for you. It is impossible to recognize when you're in, and a victim of, a religion or a cult until there is a catastrophic event that forces you awake. For eighty years the Russians have very effectively created the self actualizing myth about themselves. Russia can never be defeated in battle. The Russian people are strong. We Russians single handedly defeated the Nazis. Our great grandfathers were heroes who nobly sacrificed themselves for the Motherland. We were the heroes of WWII. Russian soldiers are strong. The Russian army is the greatest in the world. We are great, we are powerful -- and yet we are victims! The West is evil and conspires against us. Ukraine (and Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia and Finland) is (are) a weak and degenerate country ruled by nazis. And Ukraine is not a real country anyway. Ukranians are slavs like us, but not exactly like us since they are stupid, craven and weak, and needless to say we will defeat them in a week. By right and history Ukraine is part of Russia. The Ukranians will welcome us as liberators! Crimea is an integral part of Russia. Russia is a mighty country and no one can defeat us, and blah blah blah.

It is all a pack of lies. Russians have been fed disinformation, propaganda, bullshit and lies for eighty years. Surely, on some level (and having access to news from around the world), you must realize that you have been fed a bowlful of total bullshit for your entire life. The truth is Russia did not wage a noble war in WWII -- it was a vile war of territorial aggrandizement, which oppressed and terrorized free people for the subsequent forty years. In 1992, Russia lost 40% of its GDP and manufacturing base when Ukraine left...and that's exactly what you're fighting against now. Russia is not great. It is not powerful. Its GDP is the same as Mexico's. You have a rotting, corrupt, incompetent armed forces with rotting planes, ships and missiles, manned by alcoholics, prisioners and conscripts. Mexico could beat Russia.

Okay, mister all wise, super experienced, military guy. Let's make a bet. When are the Russians going to kick the Ukranians out of Kursk? A week, a month, a year? When? Place your bet. As I said in the first sentence, I know this is hard for you. Tell me, when you see videos of the M1126 ICV's just f!cking ravaging behind your lines, what does that make you feel? Does it make you confident in the power and might of the Russian army. Or maybe, do you feel the teeny tiniest bit of doubt?[/QUOTE]The Russians I know are decent people.

I don't believe you and other esteemed posters are cult members. But if you want to make that analogy, then those who've been continually proclaiming since the end of 2022 that Ukraine was on the cusp of driving the Russians back to pre-2014 territorial boundaries sound a bit like some of the fundamentalist Christians who believe the end times are always just around the corner. Ukraine will not win this war, because NATO countries will not provide the men, munitions and materials to get the job done. Unless their leaders are nuts. We do not want to see the USA, Britain, France and Russia engaged in all out war.

In the meantime, hundreds of thousands, Ukrainians and Russians, have continued to die, and Ukraine's negotiating strength has diminished.

What the hell do the west and the Ukrainian government want? Masada or the Alamo on a massive scale? A fight to the last Ukrainian? That's just sad.

What I'm reading in mainstream publications, like the NYT and the Economist, would indicate Ukraine's recent setbacks in the Donbas will be far more important to the outcome of this war than the occupation of part of the Kursk oblast.

[QUOTE=VinDici;2941895]Who are these countries and when did they do it?[/QUOTE]You're kidding, right?

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2941908]Why don't you name countries that have gone through general elections while the enemy troops were occupying huge chunks of their territory?[/QUOTE]

That's not what he said. But Cyprus, the Republic of China, South Korea and Ireland come to mind.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2942007]The Russians I know are decent people...[/QUOTE]Could be true, but the Russian Empire has maintained itself and prospered by oppressing its own and conquered peoples for over five hundred years. This is a war of territorial aggrandizement. If you or the decent Russians are concerned about Ukranian lives, then simply end the war by withdrawing to internationally recognized borders.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2942015]If you or the decent Russians are concerned about Ukranian lives, then simply end the war by withdrawing to internationally recognized borders.[/QUOTE]Please gentlemen, neither the Russians I know, nor Blood Red, Questner, DramaFree, Elvis or I have any control whatsoever over Russian leaders or the Russian military. Please try not to lose your grip on reality.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2942007]

What the hell do the west and the Ukrainian government want? Masada or the Alamo on a massive scale? A fight to the last Ukrainian? That's just sad.

.[/QUOTE]Llyod Austin, the American Defense Secretary answered this question over 2 years ago, but I think none of the Pro Ukrainians paid attention. He said and I repeat, the goal of the United States aka NATO aka the collective West was to make Russia weak. He said nothing about Ukraine winning. He knows Ukraine cannot win.

They do not give a shit about the fact that Ukraine is getting completely wrecked. They do not care that entire generations in Ukraine are getting wiped out. They do not care that Ukraine is undergoing a demographic death. As long as Russia bleeds and they get their lucrative reconstruction contracts (Blackrock) and as long as European and Americans don't die, it's all good. Like I said many times before, these people are pure evil, and I hope God never forgives them.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2942015]Could be true, but the Russian Empire has maintained itself and prospered by oppressing its own and conquered peoples for over five hundred years. This is a war of territorial aggrandizement. If you or the decent Russians are concerned about Ukranian lives, then simply end the war by withdrawing to internationally recognized borders.[/QUOTE]While you're at it, please ask the Turks to withdraw from Cyprus, the Israelis from Palestine, the Americans from Syria. For starters.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2942079]While you're at it, please ask the Turks to withdraw from Cyprus, the Israelis from Palestine, the Americans from Syria. For starters.[/QUOTE]Completely irrelevant. You are rabidly supporting the Orcs, whilst ignoring basic sense.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2942078]as long as European and Americans don't die, it's all good.[/QUOTE]If Ukraine loses, Europeans and Americans will die in the next conflict which the Orcs will definitely initiate.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2942017]Please gentlemen, neither the Russians I know, nor Blood Red, Questner, DramaFree, Elvis or I have any control whatsoever over Russian leaders or the Russian military. Please try not to lose your grip on reality.[/QUOTE]Ukraine is winning. That's their grip on reality.

The elections in Kursk region to elect a governor to start on September 8, 2024. I have an explanation on what has led to the events, but won't post it. It will take time until everything will be clear and there are reasons for it, and you can get an answer on a probability scale, but anyway it only accelerates the collapse of the junta in Kiev.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2942017]Please gentlemen, neither the Russians I know, nor Blood Red, Questner, DramaFree, Elvis or I have any control whatsoever over Russian leaders or the Russian military. Please try not to lose your grip on reality.[/QUOTE]It's telling that you've finally found yourself in the eclectic group of propagandists, war mongers, and useful idiots supporting the Russian genocidal war effort.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2942011]You're kidding, right?

That's not what he said. [/QUOTE]I thought we were talking about Ukraine in this forum. Why even mention any elections anywhere in the world if they have no relevance to the current situation in Ukraine?

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2942011]But Cyprus, the Republic of China, South Korea and Ireland come to mind. [/QUOTE]Really? When did these elections take place?

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2942078]Llyod Austin, the American Defense Secretary answered this question over 2 years ago, but I think none of the Pro Ukrainians paid attention. He said and I repeat, the goal of the United States aka NATO aka the collective West was to make Russia weak. He said nothing about Ukraine winning. He knows Ukraine cannot win.[/QUOTE]This stuff can backfire. Look at American support for the Mujahideen during the strife between the USSR and Afghanistan. I don't know the history of that very well, but suspect the USA was arming some of the same people that it fought years later. So then in retaliation the USSR or Russia supports U.S. enemies, and it just escalates.

It's nuts. When I was a kid, I loved James Bond movies. And my favorites were when the USSR or Russia and MI6 and the CIA were working together to battle criminal masterminds looking to destroy humanity. That's the way it should be, with Russia, NATO and Ukraine all on the same page. There was an opportunity for that to happen back in the 1990's. And perhaps again when Trump was president. What others call ass kissing, I call smart diplomacy. Trump had some huge failings, but breaking away from the neoconservative agenda was not one of them.

Well, maybe someday.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2942127]Ukraine is winning. That's their grip on reality.[/QUOTE]Ukraine is not winning yet. But Russia's already lost.

Over 1,200 square kilometers of Kursk Region and 100 settlements taken in 3 weeks!

Where is a guerilla war? Where are Molotov cocktails? Where are skirmishes? There are none.

Russian marauders are looting stores and homes in Kursk, while the AFU are supplying the populace with food and basic needs items.

Russian civilians are greeting AFU as liberators, speaking Ukrainian, wishing them luck, and yelling Glory to Ukraine.

What a country!

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2942253]This stuff can backfire. Look at USA Support for the Mujahideen during the strife between the USSR and Afghanistan. I don't know the history of that very well, but suspect the USA was arming some of the same people that it fought years later. So then in retaliation the USSR or Russia supports USA Enemies, and it just escalates. It's nuts. When I was a kid, I loved James Bond movies. And my favorites were when the USSR or Russia and MI6 and the CIA were working together to battle criminal masterminds looking to destroy humanity. That's the way it should be, with Russia, NATO and Ukraine all on the same page. There was an opportunity for that to happen back in the 1990's. And perhaps again when Trump was president. What others call ass kissing, I call smart diplomacy. Trump had some huge failings, but breaking away from the neoconservative agenda was not one of them.

Well, maybe someday.[/QUOTE]Jesus Christ, you're a child!