Moscow

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]
200 Euro is approx 9,000 руб. + another 1,000 = 10000 руб. plus 1,000 for drinks = 11,000 руб.

Compared to Aurora 911; 800 entry + 10,000 for an hour of sex in a private apartment with a 22 y.o. blond babe from Yekaterinberg, + 2,000 for a couple of private dances and another 1,200 for drinks = 14,000 руб.

All things considered, for an extra 3,000 руб., I'll take the night at 911.[/QUOTE]

I've written at length about Night Flight and its many faults. But hooker bars in general will always be my preferred hunting ground for p4p in any city. And the only things they share with strip clubs is that both involve sex, drugs (ie alcohol) and rock-n-roll. The vibe, the timing, the girls' attitude (and yes - that's the way the apostrophe's correctly used)... they're all completely different. Frankly, if you're just looking at the economics of sex, it's hard to beat a salon: 2,500 (less than 80 bucks these days) for a solid hour of sex with an attractive girl. But we're not, are we? No, there's something in all of us that appreciates some semblance of a chase. Of a challenge. And when it's just thrown there in front of us (or worse, pushed on us), then we're not all that interested. Which is why we gravitate towards places where we have to work a little - whether it's bargaining the girl down even when you make several times her salary, chatting up an initially uninterested dyev at a local watering hole, or convincing a girl you met online to take that tentative first step and meet over coffee.

Gee Guys! you know people of different or hard to understand opinion exist.
Whats the point of goading them. Sometimes the best response is no response. I'm gonna be there again in September. Auroa911 sounds overpriced compared to apartment girls advertising at the moment.
As usual Moscow is disorganised and overpriced again. Luckily i'm visiting Vladivostok on the way home. Now theres a gem of city. Cheers Nickc

[QUOTE=Nickc]As usual Moscow is disorganised and overpriced again. Luckily i'm visiting Vladivostok on the way home. Now theres a gem of city. Cheers Nickc[/QUOTE]
Going through Vladivostok on the way home ... to America?
I thought we essentially had to enter Russia via Moscow or St. Pete's?
Are there flights from America entering Russia from the East?

[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]I thought we essentially had to enter Russia via Moscow or St. Pete's? Are there flights from America entering Russia from the East?[/QUOTE]There is no requirement that foreign tourists enter Russia at Moscow or Piter. Anyplace where a plane lands in Russia, that's where you enter the country. A geologist friend of mine used to take a non-stop flight from Anchorage to Magadan and that's where he entered Russia. But that service doesn't exist anymore.

The trick is to find a flight that begins outside of Russia and lands someplace other than Moscow or Piter.

Stravinsky, good perspective.

here's another math :

8 Mojitos, 2 packs of cigarettes, ice cream and maybe 1-2 more drinks = 6000 rubles
Generous tips to her while she's dancing = 1000 + 500 + 500 = 2000 rubles

3 hours of chatting on every possible topic but sex, then getting digits of that 22yr fabolous girl from a small town on the black sea coast, and meeting and fucking her next day, the full day, and few days later again, in the comfort of your hotel is priceless..

That's also Aurora 911 ;)


[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Mattador,

Let's see...

02:00 to 06:00 is 4 hours, so if you had 3 hours of sex, this means that you only spent an hour in the club before you negotiated this deal and were back home in the sack, not bad!

200 Euro is approx 9,000 руб. + another 1,000 = 10000 руб. plus 1,000 for drinks = 11,000 руб.

Compared to Aurora 911; 800 entry + 10,000 for an hour of sex in a private apartment with a 22 y.o. blond babe from Yekaterinberg, + 2,000 for a couple of private dances and another 1,200 for drinks = 14,000 руб.

All things considered, for an extra 3,000 руб., I'll take the night at 911.[/QUOTE]

I visited the Adrenalin Massage Parlor one afternoon while was in the Belarouskaya Area. The place is just across to Holiday Inn Lesnaya, on Lesnaya ul. 35/4. I think the flat number was 37. They have a seperate bell anyway too that is easy to notice though.

[url]http://www.rusdosug.com/salon.php?id=250[/url]

Prices are 1 hour = 1800 RUR, 1.5 hours 3000 RUR.

5 girls in the range of 5-7. The mamasan was the best-looking, but she was not working. I chose a petite slim brunette, Lana, who had some basic english to communicate.

You get a decent classic massage, and an OK erotic massage that consists of body-to-body, tit-job, neck- and hand-job under immense amounts of massage oil (johnson baby oil). You then finish on her body. That was a nice experience. Tipped her 300 RUR. Got her digits too. Apperantly she was available to meet outside but never had the chance to call her back in this visit.

[QUOTE=Pizdyets]... But we're not, are we? No, there's something in all of us that appreciates some semblance of a chase. Of a challenge. And when it's just thrown there in front of us (or worse, pushed on us), then we're not all that interested. Which is why we gravitate towards places where we have to work a little - whether it's bargaining the girl down even when you make several times her salary, chatting up an initially uninterested dyev at a local watering hole, or convincing a girl you met online to take that tentative first step and meet over coffee.[/QUOTE]

Very well said Pizdyets. It's the challenge of the chase that's compelling. The hunting gene becomes dominant, and the victory of hunting adds to the joy and beauty. Otherwise, very pretty girls are usually one call away at your fingertips from the escort services for 200 euros an hour. Do I negotiate that too ? Of course!

Mattador,

Here's another one you might be interested in:

[url]http://www.rusdosug.com/salon.php?id=394[/url]

It just opened in May and it has the same general rezhime robota as the other massage parlors. Not much of a selection yet, but that might improve with time. I picked Lola, and she was great, but she was the only option the night I was there.

The main advantage Koshka has is it's location, on Petrovka, at the end of Цветной бульвар, so it's right in the center of town. It's a low, 2 story building right next door to Petrovka 38 (due east?).

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]There is no requirement that foreign tourists enter Russia at Moscow or Piter. Anyplace where a plane lands in Russia, that's where you enter the country. A geologist friend of mine used to take a non-stop flight from Anchorage to Magadan and that's where he entered Russia. But that service doesn't exist anymore.

The trick is to find a flight that begins outside of Russia and lands someplace other than Moscow or Piter.[/QUOTE]You can also enter by train/bus/car. I've entered Russia (on a visa) via train from Ukraine several times with no problems. In fact, a good trip for some people here might be to get to Ukraine cheaply, then take a train to provincial Eastern Russia. There are lots of small cities that would be great for the small town monger (Bez I'm looking at you). Oryol, Bryansk, Voronezh, Kursk, Smolensk, etc. If you look at a GDP map of Russia, these oblasts have some of the lowest GDP's per capita yet are almost entirely ethnically Russian (if Tatar/Udmurt girls aren't your thing).

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]
The main advantage Koshka has is it's location, on Petrovka, at the end of Цветной бульвар, so it's right in the center of town. It's a low, 2 story building right next door to Petrovka 38 (due east?).[/QUOTE]

Strav - please tell me that they don't really dress like the musical!

[quote=latexian2]oryol, bryansk, voronezh, kursk, smolensk, etc. if you look at a gdp map of russia, these oblasts have some of the lowest gdp's per capita yet are almost entirely ethnically russian (if tatar/udmurt girls aren't your thing).[/quote]

hook a brother up! where are those maps?!?

and btw, i think you meant slavic rather than russian. i don't have anything against slavic girls, but the asiatic looking russians always seem to attract me in ways the slavic girls don't. speaking of which, just found out that my favorite waitress at aurora (who i kept saying looked like a latina) is from uzbekistan. can't be a day older than 19 though. more bez's speed than mine. :) i tend towards the 25-28 range - like a woman with a bit more experience with the male equipment!

nope me not US me NZ. Eastern Russian can be entered from many different cities from China and Korea. One time i even caught a ship from Sokcho, Korea (24 hrs at sea) that was great entering Vladivostok Harbour by sea.
There was even action on board.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Gergiev,

Nothing more to be said. At this point it seems CastAway wants to debate us about the extent of his ignorance.

Let's get back to talking about something interesting, like how we can meet women for sex![/QUOTE]I was always talking about sex. Sex is good but you guys aren't posting pictures of hot hookers. You can have better sex in De Wallen than what some of you guys are having in Russia. Bez that goes for you. You just have sex with anything?

[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Strav - please tell me that they don't really dress like the musical![/QUOTE]Huh, say what?

Oh... classical reference.

No, no costumes (слава Богу ). But I seem to recall she did have little whiskers painted on her pussy. Which begs the question: which comes first, the pussy or the cat?

[QUOTE=Castonthis]I was always talking about sex. Sex is good but you guys aren't posting pictures of hot hookers.[/QUOTE]Castonthis,

Thank you for the warning about safety. You're right, it is important to be safe. But, it's important to be safe, everywhere; in eastern Europe, in western Europe, in America, Asia, Africa, Australia and, yes, even at the North Pole (I don't know this for a fact mind you, but I heard a rumor that those Chukchi girls are real sluts!).

Do you honestly believe that there is anything you can tell us here, in this forum, about Russian women that we, in our collective experience, do not already know? If you have actually been to eastern Europe and have some first-hand experiences to relate, then we welcome your report. Or, if you have an honest question to ask about some aspect of meeting women for sex in eastern Europe, then I'm sure someone here will be willing and able to answer you.

But, please, do not waste our time by posting heresay BS opinions. It insults our intelligence, demeans yours and just takes up valuable disk space.

If you want pix, we invite you to come to Russia and take some of your own. Maybe you can post some here.

BTW - I hope you are prepared for a thorough tongue-lashing from Bez. :)