Sosua Reports

I just returned home after 11 days in So- sewer and the trip was not great.

Yes there was available pussy but most was beat up looking and the same 200 girls are on the street every night.

The scene changes on Friday and Saturdays as some additional hot girls go to Classicos VIP lounge but they are looking for 5000 pesos.

Some observations:

75 % of the working girls are Haitian.

70% of the tourists are Afro American.

Police patrols on Pedro Casante are non stop from 9 pm till 1 am. The girls cannot walk the streets unless they are accompanied by a tourist.

The chicas have become very business orientated and service was poor with average price being between 2000 -3000 pesos.

I would budget 5000 pesos per day for food drink and Chica. This did not include my hotel. Sosua is no longer a cheap vacation destination.

I wasn't sure the exchange places would be OK with the copies. And surely, taking my Schwab to Merengue was a mistake and totally unnecessary. Good point, lesson learned.

I have to disagree about one point, though.

You can negotiate all you want, but it does NOT guarantee zilch.

Unfortunately, chicas feel like they have an upper hand. Whereas I would (and did) stand my ground in Brazil, Thailand, or Colombia, for example, I've read enough reports of chicas threatening AND CALIING the cops in Sosua to know that there is little you can do. If a chica demands money beforehand and threatens to call cops, I'll pay and kick her out. I won't risk spending a night at a police station in a country where I have communication skills of a 3-year old, whereas they'll probably make me pay anyway or worse. So it sounds great in theory (and you absolutely should negotiate everything), but it guaranties nothing.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2361005]In DR,

[b]No need to carry copy of passport.[/b] If you are arrested for any reason you tell them the hotel name and they will get the passport. No need to carry credit card and in fact wallet. Carry only local pesos for expenses like food, drinks. No need to carry drivers license. If stopped just show car rental papers which has all info.

Never pay money money to the chicas before the act. Lock everything in the room safe. Always negotiate compensation to avoid unpleasant surprises.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't advocate saying there is no need to carry a copy of your passport. There are always exceptions and caveats. Suppose a person is going somewhere that requires at least a copy of a passport for some form of transaction? Suppose the reason you are getting arrested is because law enforcement can't identify you, because you don't have a copy of your passport on you? If the difference from being arrested and being free to go depends on having some form of ID, it would be better to have the copy of your passport. Who wants to go to jail and have to go through how long it may take to get your passport? And hope you don't have things stolen out of your safe.

With the CC and debit card? At some point a person may have to carry a debit card in order to use it at an ATM. A CC may be used to buy big ticket items, like furniture etc. More accurately, there is no need to carry those things if you have no intention of using them, and / or especially to places where you increase the risk of losing them due to theft. But you can't say there is no need to carry them. Because that simply is not true. Men have been coming and living in the DR for years, and have had to carry their cards at some point in order to put them to use.

As for not carrying a DL? Yes, if a person is not driving. But since you mentioned car rental papers, I can assume you are talking about a person who IS driving. There is no guarantee that car rental papers alone will be sufficient if stopped by law enforcement (AMET). Not to mention not every foreigner driving in the DR is driving a rental. Suppose the foreigner owns the car? In the DR application and enforcement of laws can vary from one AMET officer to another. And being a foreigner, not having a DL on hand might make it easier for an officer to fleece you or simply fine you. If it's not a rental, there won't be any rental papers. And if you rent from a fly by night company, there may not be much info on the rental agreement to satisfy who stopped you. Worse, is if you get into an accident, not just because you got stopped. Not having a DL on your person (when driving) and relying on rental or ownership documents is not a good look.

A foreigner should have at least a copy of their foreign DL (I recommend having the original) on them when they drive.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2361091]I wasn't sure the exchange places would be OK with the copies. And surely, taking my Schwab to Merengue was a mistake and totally unnecessary. Good point, lesson learned.

[/QUOTE]Thats why were here on this forum. That would have been a good question to ask here. And while in the DR, you could strike up a convo with somebody and they might have been able to help you too. Plus you could conduct your own experiment. Make the copies as suggested, and go to exchange money at different places and see what happens. I know from personal experience Caribe Express where Supa Pola is, has no problem when I present my laminated copy of my passport. I like to present the actual size copy rather than the shrunk down copy.

Moreover, the exchange guy in the back of the plaza where the Altice cellular store is, you don't need any documents at all. Just the money. A little side tip. I don't know about all places, but this same exchange guy will cash a personal check if you present your original passport. Now the rate is not as good as exchanging cash, but the benefit is being able to get your hands on some money in an emergency. I found this out on a visit several yrs ago, seeing a guy get money using a personal check and his foreign passport. Much later, I did the same thing. Brought a personal check for 1500 USD, and my original passport. The exchange rate might have been a few points lower than the cash rate, but the main thing is, it was another option.

Mind you, that was 3 or 4 yrs ago. So I don't exactly know if their policy about personal checks has changed.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2361091]You can negotiate all you want, but it does NOT guarantee zilch.

[/QUOTE]It has been proven time and time again, that negotiating beforehand does not necessarily mean you WILL avoid unpleasant surprises. Even if one is successful in negotiating beforehand, a dude can still have unpleasant surprises dealing with enough of these DR chicas. Like the type of performance the chica puts out, or lack thereof. You get whatever the chica offers. Or a chica agreeing to a price or specific services just to get a guy to hire them, and then flipping the script. One may be successful minimizing having unpleasant surprises by negotiating beforehand, but that is on a case by case basis. There are many cases where that approach has failed. And Sosua's reputation for the frequency of all the BS with the chicas is getting worse.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2361091]If a chica demands money beforehand and threatens to call cops, I'll pay and kick her out. I won't risk spending a night at a police station in a country where I have communication skills of a 3-year old, whereas they'll probably make me pay anyway or worse.[/QUOTE]And that is exactly how it became a hustle. Too many mongers rolling over and giving in. Sometimes not being able to communicate can be used to your advantage! You need to learn when to call someone's bluff.

In a case that you are describing the only word you need to know is embajada. I am sure you have seen shows where a person gets taken in by police and the only word the person will say if they are smart is lawyer. Well, if the police come to you in DR, all you need to say is embajada.

Of all the hookers on this planet that have threatened to call the cops on me, the only one that actually did it was in Sosua and that did not work out well for her. As many Dominican cops (at least 20) have pulled me over trying to get money from me, I have given exactly 0 pesos to date and have never been ticketed or taken to jail.

Don't just sit around and allow yourself to be extorted if you know you have done nothing wrong. Hustlers are depending on you to be scared. That is the only way the hustle will work. Scared money can't win.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2361204]And that is exactly how it became a hustle. Too many mongers rolling over and giving in. Sometimes not being able to communicate can be used to your advantage! You need to learn when to call someone's bluff.

In a case that you are describing the only word you need to know is embajada. I am sure you have seen shows where a person gets taken in by police and the only word the person will say if they are smart is lawyer. Well, if the police come to you in DR, all you need to say is embajada.

Of all the hookers on this planet that have threatened to call the cops on me, the only one that actually did it was in Sosua and that did not work out well for her. As many Dominican cops (at least 20) have pulled me over trying to get money from me, I have given exactly 0 pesos to date and have never been ticketed or taken to jail.

Don't just sit around and allow yourself to be extorted if you know you have done nothing wrong. Hustlers are depending on you to be scared. That is the only way the hustle will work. Scared money can't win.[/QUOTE]Hey Mr. E, kudos for not letting anyone step over you. Respecto!

But let's think about it some more.

Let's say she does call the cops in the middle of the night. Then what happens?

A lawyer? Fine. Will he cost me less than 2 K Pesos?

What if she cries [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]? What if she's in cahoots with the cops (takes just one bad cop to run an extortion scam on a gringo)?

But let's say things work out great, and the cops laugh at the stupid ***** and leave. The condo I was staying at has an eviction clause if the cops are called for any reason. I can't blame them, really.

You can counter that I can stay at a hotel instead. But I don't want to. I love to spread out, LOL.

I mean, you can stick to your principles, but it's $40 we're talking about. I'm on a 5-day outing, do I really need the aggravation?

This is strictly theoretical, of course. No one has tried to get me pay upfront in Sosua yet, but dreadful service. Sure.

Once in Rio, a GDP demands to be paid right after she got to my apartment. I say no. She insists. I say, I'll put the money on the table, and you get it after we're done. She says no, give me the cash now. I say go to hell. She threatens to call the cops. I say here, use my phone.

She says OK, let's fuck. I say no, you've broken my Junior. That cracked her up. Surprisingly, we had a good session afterwards.

In Pattaya, a girl promises 2 hours with 2 shots, tries to leave after 40 minutes. I give her 50%. She starts crying and cursing, I kick her out, she keeps banging on the door. I call security. The end.

My RTFF tells me things are different in Sosua. Like you yourself said, Sosua is the only place in the world it's happened to you.

Mr E s 20 encounters with police is not something to be proud of. I have been going to DR for 9 years and zero police encounters. I have seen a few people get fucked up because their balls were bigger then their brains. Corrupt people with gun can be dangerous and not to be played. A smart ass tourist makes great target. Never forget you are in some one elses country.

[QUOTE=OldKool;2361356]Mr E s 20 encounters with police is not something to be proud of. I have been going to DR for 9 years and zero police encounters. I have seen a few people get fucked up because their balls were bigger then their brains. Corrupt people with gun can be dangerous and not to be played. A smart ass tourist makes great target. Never forget you are in some one elses country.[/QUOTE]Come on Old Kool, you are both reaching and taking things out of context. You are reaching because how many times or when was the last time you heard of a Dominican cop shooting a foreign tourist? Can we conclude that your answer is never? And you are taking things out of context because all the times but 1 that I have had encounters with the cops have been because I was driving a rental car.

Everyone that drives rental cars in DR know that the cops look for that in order to pull you over in hopes of scaring you into giving them money. My brain is bigger than my balls because I understand that this is going to happen as part of driving there and I do not give in to it. It is simply a scare tactic.

I understand this the same that you should understand 90% of those Sosua hoes are going to try to pull some bullshit on you including stealing your shit and promising services they have no no intention on delivering, but still insisting to be paid the agreed upon amount. Obviously it works on enough people because both groups keep trying the same scams over and over again.

If it really was not worth the trouble then you would stop fucking with them Sosua hoes. People (you included) have reported time and time again the games that have been played by those broads that are not played other places, yet you keep going back for more. So it must really be worth the trouble (for you at least).

[QUOTE=Adinga;2361080]I just returned home after 11 days in So- sewer and the trip was not great.

Yes there was available pussy but most was beat up looking and the same 200 girls are on the street every night.

The scene changes on Friday and Saturdays as some additional hot girls go to Classicos VIP lounge but they are looking for 5000 pesos.

Some observations:

75 % of the working girls are Haitian.

70% of the tourists are Afro American.

Police patrols on Pedro Casante are non stop from 9 pm till 1 am. The girls cannot walk the streets unless they are accompanied by a tourist.

The chicas have become very business orientated and service was poor with average price being between 2000 -3000 pesos.

I would budget 5000 pesos per day for food drink and Chica. This did not include my hotel. Sosua is no longer a cheap vacation destination.[/QUOTE]It's low season in Sosua. Thats one reason. Enough chicas that look like anything stopped going to the usual mongering destinations for work and instead, use other ways to get hookups and make their money. Social media. Established contacts from previous encounters is a good source of securing and maintaining clients. As a result, they have guys flying into SD, STI or POP, scheduling to hookup with them. You have to know that enough chicas are doing this sort of thing. In enough cases it works out for the chica because the client may stay close to where the chica can get to the client easily. This way she is closer to her home and family.

Or she travels to where he is and stays with him. I have seen women (even with suitcases) get off the bus or pull up in a taxi or moto in Sosua, ready to stay with a guy. Women that nobody has ever seen in Sosua before. So my point is, Sosua may be dead for enough casual mongers who are hoping that their needs will be met by what Sosua has to offer on their particular trip.

Others will have adapted to not relying on what the streets / clubs and beaches have to offer in terms of women. Instead they will enjoy Sosua for it's other benefits, and secure their female company from established contacts or some other form.

As far as Sosua no longer being a cheap vacation destination? Thats a yes and a no, and a it depends on who it applies to. A lot depends on who is making the assessment. More accurately. Sosua is no longer a cheap vacation destination to whom it applies to. Not everybody may feel that way. An appropriate question to ask is, is Sosua still an affordable vacation destination? Not whether it is cheap or not. I live in Sosua, and as far as I'm concerned, I think Sosua is very affordable. I have a roster of regulars that I do TLN's with. Used to give them 2200 pesos, now I give them 3000. Been doing that for a while. I think 3000 for TLN is an affordable deal. Not cheap, but affordable. Mind you, I always established regulars way before I started living in Sosua. So personally I don't have a lot to complain about, even though the scene on the street has evolved. I don't look exclusively for my talent from the streets, clubs or beaches. Sometimes a situation just falls in my lap.

In the HBO TV show THE WIRE, Marla Daniels said to her (police LT.) husband at dinner: "The game is rigged. But you can't lose, if you don't play" You won't have a bad or disappointing trip, if you never come to Sosua to play. On the other hand, for the daring, the creative, the ones who see opportunity and the glass half full, their experience and circumstances in Sosua may differ significantly. Sosua is not responsible for adapting to our budgets. We have to take some responsibility on what our finances can adapt to or tolerate. Where in the world are the cheap destinations for mongers?

[QUOTE=Adinga;2361080]I would budget 5000 pesos per day for food drink and Chica. This did not include my hotel. Sosua is no longer a cheap vacation destination.[/QUOTE]A man can control his finances and his dick. A man will eat everyday, but he doesn't have to drink ( as in alcohol ) or fuck everyday. I disclosed how I give 3 k pesos to my regulars for TLN, but I don't have a chica over every night. As for drinking? I definitely have enough discipline to not drink or drink less.

Granted when a guy is on a short vacation, he is expected to over indulge mainly because he is on a fixed schedule. But even for a 10 day to 2 week trip, a guy does not have to fuck or drink every single day / night. So if he budgets for a chica everyday, but he doesn't fuck everyday, he is saving money. If he drinks less, he is saving money. He has just made his trip a little cheaper. More than enough guys on vacation have told me that they don't fuck everyday like they used to. That they like the idea of keeping their money in their pocket rather than giving it to some chick, especially when they arent that desperate to get laid. In essence there are things any monger can do to make his trip cheaper. You can't lose (money), when you don't play.

Of course, compared to what? Manila? Then maybe.

Let's see. A budget yet still decent apartment is $25-30. An upscale condo or good hotel room $60-80. Villa or ocean view condo $90+.

Food is very cheap, IMHO. $15 for lunch, $20-25 for dinner with a couple beers. 35-40 in an upscale with a few drinks.

Pussy: $40-50ST, never had LT.

I didn't find it expensive at all.

The next mongering destination in this hemisphere with a beach (albeit shitty) is Cartagena, and it's substantially more. $70ST is not a small change. Higher cost of food, too. Of course, Medellin or Bogota would be dirt cheap compared to that if the beach is not important.

Sosua can still be a cheap paradise with a right chica, IMHO.

I learned to pound the pavement looking for pussy during my Cuba years but the Sosua girls are all herded into the bars by police so no stragglers on the streets.

I eventually went to Classicos and would pull a few girls out for a interview at small street café before bringing her to my room.

A lot of the club girls are headaches so make sure you read them the riot act before taking them home.

There are some good deals for food. The German restaurant on the highway has all you can eat buffet on Thursday - 400 pesos. Food was excellent.

There's a little restaurant across from New Garden and they have Taco Tuesday which was excellent -- 50 pesos each.

I also liked the inexpensive Dominican food served at Ricky's Fried Chicken.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2361451]Of course, compared to what? Manila? Then maybe.

Let's see. A budget yet still decent apartment is $25-30. An upscale condo or good hotel room $60-80. Villa or ocean view condo $90+.

Food is very cheap, IMHO. $15 for lunch, $20-25 for dinner with a couple beers. 35-40 in an upscale with a few drinks.

Pussy: $40-50ST, never had LT.

I didn't find it expensive at all.

The next mongering destination in this hemisphere with a beach (albeit shitty) is Cartagena, and it's substantially more. $70ST is not a small change. Higher cost of food, too. Of course, Medellin or Bogota would be dirt cheap compared to that if the beach is not important.

Sosua can still be a cheap paradise with a right chica, IMHO.[/QUOTE]One particular variable that is being complained about is the demand for more money from the chicas. And of course the potential for bad service and BS being on the rise (wasted money). Most other costs are doable. But here's the thing. Just because chicas are demanding more money doesn't mean a guy has to comply. Like I said before. You can't lose if you don't play. Take an experienced monger like Brother P. He comes to Sosua as often as he is able. Yes he has regulars. But sometimes he'll run into chicas in various places, negotiates for a price he's comfortable with, and gets his bump and grind on. Chicas that won't cooperate, he passes on. No harm, no foul. It's just business.

But for some reason it seems there are certain guys who need the game to adjust to their sensitivities and budget. They are easily turned off by chicas demanding "too much" and acting like they are in control of the situation. So for them, Sosua has become a shithole. But guess what? The DR like many other destinations, negotiating is part of the culture / system. So if a person is easily turned off or insulted because most chicks he runs into asks for too much, then that is a problem he has to deal with. Not that Sosua let him down.

I have heard enough reports of guys here and in person, that negotiated with a chica, where the price started off at some ridiculous amount, and they both agreed on something considerably lower. Like I said, enough guys are turned off by that. Their vibe for the chica is shot. Their vibe for the whole scene is shot. A few bad apples on a particular vacation, and everything about Sosua is fucked up. Meanwhile the reports from guys who thoroughly enjoyed themselves on their vacation, that is never considered. Like the fat girl out with her friends who never got to dance at the club like her girlfriends. The fat girl will say the club is fucked up just because she didn't have a good time. Meanwhile her GF's are willing to go again. A lot depends on the individual and timing, not necessarily the location or venue.

[QUOTE=OldKool;2361356]Mr E s 20 encounters with police is not something to be proud of. I have been going to DR for 9 years and zero police encounters. I have seen a few people get fucked up because their balls were bigger then their brains. Corrupt people with gun can be dangerous and not to be played. A smart ass tourist makes great target. Never forget you are in some one elses country.[/QUOTE]What is your definition of an encounter with the police in your mind? Are you assuming a police encounter means a guy did something wrong? Anybody can have an encounter with police. Especially if you are driving on DR roads. Now if you've been riding the bus and using taxis instead of driving, of course you may have zero to very minimal encounters with police.

My very 1st encounter with police was in 2008. I was driving a rental with my Dominican / American GF and a car full of people. I drove right towards a police checkpoint and rolled down my window. As soon as I opened my mouth and spoke in English the officer waved me on. Fast forward to 2016, I was driving my personal SUV and an AMET officer in Jarabacoa waved for me to pull over. I rolled down my window and spoke to her in English. She looked at me as if to say, I don't want no part of you, I won't be able to understand a word you say. She waved me on.

I got stopped by cops a few times in Sosua looking for a propina. I can think of a dozen or more encounters, all minor situations that had nothing to do with anything I did wrong. It was just cops being cops. In all my encounters they were mutually respectful and no drama. In most cases if you arent doing anything wrong or illegal you don't have to worry about being fucked up, just because you have a police encounter. As for the few that you saw get fucked up? They only represent themselves not anybody else, they dealt with the consequences accordingly. So do the folks who have had numerous encounters with police with no negative consequences or bad incidents, is that something to be proud of?