Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2500411]Guess I am confused. You said the teenage sister's leg was crushed but now the mom had kids over 30 years ago, which would mean they are now adults.[/QUOTE]Sorry for the confusion. The 2 daughters from the first marriage are in their mid-30's. The last daughter, from a second marriage to man now deceased, is in her late teens. She is the one who was injured. To add to the confusion, both of the older daughters have children who are roughly the same age as their youngest aunt, all 3 being in their late teens. And the oldest daughter has a son about to turn 2. She has been married to the same man throughout. So, the mother has a total of 3 grandchildren. This is not exactly an irresponsible, baby making family. I can add too that the mother never encouraged anyone to go to Pattaya to work, and was instrumental in getting Secret to quit the bar. She and Secret are determined that the youngest will go to college, to study either teaching or nursing.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2501230]Sorry for the confusion. The 2 daughters from the first marriage are in their mid-30's. The last daughter, from a second marriage to man now deceased, is in her late teens. [/QUOTE]LOL. Man I have not even dug that deep into my own family!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2501250]LOL. Man I have not even dug that deep into my own family![/QUOTE]For sure he is digging deep but does he really understand what is being dug up?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2501368]For sure he is digging deep but does he really understand what is being dug up?[/QUOTE]There may be a different story with DNA.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2501377]There may be a different story with DNA.[/QUOTE]Based on what F. H. Wrote and Mr. E short comment has little to do with DNA, his description of the family and history isn't unique one bit in fact heard thousands of times within the region where the girl is from. I'm a believer in many of the teaching of Lao Tsu from my early early days? Basically everyone is created equal or the same it is society or our culture that modes us when we are growing the history he was told or dug up is just that has very little to do with DNA of course that is my opinion.

From what is written we differ as to it interpretation as to how it came about.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2501368]For sure he is digging deep . . . .[/QUOTE]At the current time of the story, she and I had shared many, many thousands of text messages. I could count on both hands the number of 24-hour periods where we had not texted each other since early May 2019. I have learned many things about her through our messages. We are not digging. We are simply texting about our lives and these things come out over the weeks and months of conversing. I must assume from the surprise given that the typical BG does not write thousands of messages to her clients, discussing their daily lives?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2501368] . . . . but does he really understand what is being dug up?[/QUOTE]I am constantly looking for things that need to be dug up. If you have any specifics of something I am missing, please advise. This story is not so much about me, but to help others about to be drawn in by an evil Thai BG. I was obviously drawn, so pointing out what I missed, so as to help someone else avoid the pitfalls and traps, is welcome.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2501511]At the current time of the story, she and I had shared many, many thousands of text messages. I could count on both hands the number of 24-hour periods where we had not texted each other since early May 2019. I have learned many things about her through our messages. We are not digging. We are simply texting about our lives and these things come out over the weeks and months of conversing. I must assume from the surprise given that the typical BG does not write thousands of messages to her clients, discussing their daily lives?

I am constantly looking for things that need to be dug up. If you have any specifics of something I am missing, please advise. This story is not so much about me, but to help others about to be drawn in by an evil Thai BG. I was obviously drawn, so pointing out what I missed, so as to help someone else avoid the pitfalls and traps, is welcome.[/QUOTE]I am simple. If you not actually living in Thailand don't Do relationships.

Fire away. LOL. I can take it.

Parameter with Thai girl, not Bargirl exclusive.

Example. 35×2 = 70. If 70 is less than a common human metric- you off in la la land. Numbers need to be adjusted to your specifics but the theoretical concept is there.

Can someone identify the metric. I will pay your Entrance Fee to a Rainbow Bar of choice. LOL.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2501511]I must assume from the surprise given that the typical BG does not write thousands of messages to her clients, discussing their daily lives?[/QUOTE]You right about that. My girlfriend is not a bar girl, but the only thing she writes everyday is Hello, how are you, have a good day. Works for me. Beats all the bullshit complaining I have to hear from chicks that I mess with in other countries.

I wonder what impression of the future you are giving her, by texting everyday. And I assume texts about her dreams and hopes. In my opinion, for whattever it's worth, you owe her a big sum of money or a future with you for taking that amount of time. My prediction on how this turns out is that you will have been very unfair to her and have taken advantage of her, by preying on her hopes.

Either play the fool and jump in or play the cynic and cut and run.

Boo on you.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2501511]At the current time of the story, she and I had shared many, many thousands of text messages. I could count on both hands the number of 24-hour periods where we had not texted each other since early May 2019. I have learned many things about her through our messages. We are not digging. We are simply texting about our lives and these things come out over the weeks and months of conversing. I must assume from the surprise given that the typical BG does not write thousands of messages to her clients, discussing their daily lives?

I am constantly looking for things that need to be dug up. If you have any specifics of something I am missing, please advise. This story is not so much about me, but to help others about to be drawn in by an evil Thai BG. I was obviously drawn, so pointing out what I missed, so as to help someone else avoid the pitfalls and traps, is welcome.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2501517]I am simple. If you not actually living in Thailand don't Do relationships.

Fire away. LOL. I can take it.[/QUOTE]Fire away? I agree with you! Yes, don't do it!

[QUOTE=Horatio;2501592]I wonder what impression of the future you are giving her, by texting everyday. And I assume texts about her dreams and hopes. In my opinion, for whattever it's worth, you owe her a big sum of money or a future with you for taking that amount of time. My prediction on how this turns out is that you will have been very unfair to her and have taken advantage of her, by preying on her hopes.

Either play the fool and jump in or play the cynic and cut and run.

Boo on you.[/QUOTE]We did not talk that often about my hopes and dreams and, as I said, she did not want to have them herself as they never came true. But during this time of sorrow, we did speak of them as I wanted to cheer her up and discuss good things. My dream? To build a cabin on a mountain top and build an observatory, and to take her on cruise (which was scheduled for this month, BTW). The only dream she shared was to build a small home in her village.

But I hear what you are saying.

Ok, so Secret's sister was involved in a horrible accident and had to be transported to a distant hospital for care. Secret, along with their mother, went to stay with the girl to provide care and support. It was a long and tortuous experience for them all and a moving story, and I will try to be brief.

But first, as the integrity of the mother has been questioned, I will state that the mother accompanied them to the hospital to support her daughters. She is physically challenged, suffering from skin diseases due to diabetes complications and a long hard life in the rice fields. She stayed with them for nearly 3 weeks, first sleeping on the floor in the visitor's lounge. I could not stand for that, for if the mother caught CV-19 she would likely have died, and this was during the beginning states of the virus in Thailand. I arranged for them to stay in a hotel (they neither asked for nor hinted at wanting a room) then fortunately, a week later the family demanded the mother go home for her safety, after which Secret was able to share her sister's bed in the ward to save money. I think I did the right thing. I later discovered that I impressed the mother, as well as the teen, who I had sent flowers. It was her first time anyone sent her flowers, and it was the rage on her social media page.

And speaking of the girl's social media page (ok, I am diverging a bit), I saw where she asked for blood donations for herself in the early days. And she raised 10,000 baht from her followers to pay for a more appropriate prosthetic limb than what the government would provide. And later she started an online business selling clothes and cosmetics to add to the family finances, plus the 16 why / o son found work and started contributing to the finances as well. I am impressed by this girl, who took the initiative and is planning to attend college and study nursing.

During this time in the hospital Secret had more time to text than when she was working at the factory, and we learned more about each other. We were slowly growing closer, but long-distance relationships with all of the problems of distance, language and age are difficult to deal with and overcome. We mostly talked about family, our future plans, her family, my family at times, some of our hopes and dreams. She was hesitant to talk around her dreams, saying they never came true for her. But while we had some nice and occasionally deep conversations, they still didn't seem like what they should be if we were really boyfriend and girlfriend. And that was understandable. It was over 6 months since we were last together and she had been to hell and only a fraction of the way back. Romance was not high on her priority list at this point. But, in hindsight, she was sticking around and we shared thousands of texts. That was saying something I suppose.

But allow me to discuss one interesting discussion we had concerning honesty. She and the doctors knew the girl was likely to lose part of her leg from day one, but Secret kept telling the then 16 why / o it was all going to be fine. I asked why she was not telling the girl the truth. She said that as long as there was hope she wanted her sister to believe everything would be ok. She felt it was better to think everything was ok than to know the sad truth before you actually had to know it. This is not the way we typically feel in the west, but this was not my sister and not my country. What experience do some you guys have with this that they can justify lying?

Back home, after over 6 weeks in the hospital, Secret finally broke down to ask for help. With the land having been paid off, she didn't need much to survive on, and she only wanted a bit to help the children with some things for school. The son was growing and the sister, well, needed some things to accommodate her new handicapped life. I asked how much she wanted. She would not give a figure, almost getting upset that I had to ask, like I should just know. I said I couldn't read her mind. It was obvious she felt shame at having to ask me, and later she said she feared I would leave her if she was a burden to me. But I just wanted to know what she needed to buy and how much it would cost, rather than for me to just send her a wad of cash. But when I said "tell me what you need! She clammed up and said "never mind" and refused to talk about it anymore. Stubborn Thai women! Haha. I let it drop for a little while, curious to see if she would come back to ask again, but she didn't. Next day I brought it back up, and by asking questions I got her to start answering. If I said something like "This costs x baht and that costs yy baht, right? That was fine. But if I said "you want me to give you zz baht" as more of a statement than a question, she would back away. Is this typical for Thai women?

The total amount was peanuts but, of course a yellow flag went up. Was I growing the black hole which would eventually suck me and my finances in? She had to be very low on cash by that point and she needed work soon or I might her asking me or running off somewhere to make money. The last 15 months had been horrible for her. First the disgusting bar work and then a large degree of unemployment, her accident, dealing with me, the sister's accident and continued unemployment. Before the last half of 2019 and meeting me and working in the bar, she had never been unemployed. She was not only exhausted and mentally drained, she was sick with worry and guilt for failing to care for her family.

Ok. So by this time I had discovered her social media page. It had some interesting things, some of relevance which I have discussed previously, and I may bring up a few more later. Her injured sister had made progress and was able to fend for herself now. Then one of her friends or followers started talking about going to Pattaya. She replied there was no work there but, a few days later she is all in, saying "Let's go to Pattaya!" She even got a brief message from her previous bar manager, asking how she was doing. She replied "fine" with a few smiley faces. But I wondered if she was joking about going. She said nothing to me about going anywhere. Then one day she was shopping with the kids, and then she goes dark. I knew she was going somewhere far away at that point. We pretty much had a set schedule of when we texted, and when she missed two of those schedules, I guessed she had traveled to either Bangkok or Pattaya. When she finally texted me again, she excitedly told me she was leaving the village to start massage school. Sheesh. But, indeed, over a year ago she had told me she wanted to have a massage shop at her house. The house was large enough and, I guess, after 2 months of school, she could get her license and open her own business. She thought she could make enough money in her village to survive. Since she had told me before there was some legitimacy to the story.

She sent me a photo of the apartment she would be sharing with a girlfriend, so she was there already. I was quite suspicious, as she had not told me any of this in advance. I mean, one day I don't hear from her and the next she is some city signing up for massage school. To me, it seemed obvious she was in Pattaya, and she was hiding that fact from me. Was she there to attend school or to do adult work though? After several days I asked where she was, as she had not yet told me. She gave me the name of a small city about an hour away from her home, a border town. I supposed it could have a massage school, and she said her staying with a friend would save money. But my gut told me she was in Pattaya.

But I had been wrong before. I decided to play along and act like I believed her (and maybe she [I]was[/I] telling me the truth).

LittleBigMan posted a message asking if I knew what I was digging up. It is time for me to do some digging to find out where she is and what she will be doing. True, it is none of my business, but if she is lying to me I had the right to stop seeing her. With knowledge of the truth, I can decide what action that is appropriate for me. And, guys, we are getting close to end. I still invite you guys to make a prediction as to the actual ending. Some of you carry on like you know how this turns out.

You come across to me as a horrible manipulative predator. I used to really enjoy and look forward to your posts. Does she know you're relating all this about her for your fun.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2501622]Ok, so Secret's sister was involved in a horrible accident and had to be transported to a distant hospital for care. Secret, along with their mother, went to stay with the girl to provide care and support. It was a long and tortuous experience for them all and a moving story, and I will try to be brief.

But first, as the integrity of the mother has been questioned, I will state that the mother accompanied them to the hospital to support her daughters. She is physically challenged, suffering from skin diseases due to diabetes complications and a long hard life in the rice fields. She stayed with them for nearly 3 weeks, first sleeping on the floor in the visitor's lounge. I could not stand for that, for if the mother caught CV-19 she would likely have died, and this was during the beginning states of the virus in Thailand. I arranged for them to stay in a hotel (they neither asked for nor hinted at wanting a room) then fortunately, a week later the family demanded the mother go home for her safety, after which Secret was able to share her sister's bed in the ward to save money. I think I did the right thing. I later discovered that I impressed the mother, as well as the teen, who I had sent flowers. It was her first time anyone sent her flowers, and it was the rage on her social media page.

And speaking of the girl's social media page (ok, I am diverging a bit), I saw where she asked for blood donations for herself in the early days. And she raised 10,000 baht from her followers to pay for a more appropriate prosthetic limb than what the government would provide. And later she started an online business selling clothes and cosmetics to add to the family finances, plus the 16 why / o son found work and started contributing to the finances as well. I am impressed by this girl, who took the initiative and is planning to attend college and study nursing.

During this time in the hospital Secret had more time to text than when she was working at the factory, and we learned more about each other. We were slowly growing closer, but long-distance relationships with all of the problems of distance, language and age are difficult to deal with and overcome. We mostly talked about family, our future plans, her family, my family at times, some of our hopes and dreams. She was hesitant to talk around her dreams, saying they never came true for her. But while we had some nice and occasionally deep conversations, they still didn't seem like what they should be if we were really boyfriend and girlfriend. And that was understandable. It was over 6 months since we were last together and she had been to hell and only a fraction of the way back. Romance was not high on her priority list at this point. But, in hindsight, she was sticking around and we shared thousands of texts. That was saying something I suppose.

But allow me to discuss one interesting discussion we had concerning honesty. She and the doctors knew the girl was likely to lose part of her leg from day one, but Secret kept telling the then 16 why / o it was all going to be fine. I asked why she was not telling the girl the truth. She said that as long as there was hope she wanted her sister to believe everything would be ok. She felt it was better to think everything was ok than to know the sad truth before you actually had to know it. This is not the way we typically feel in the west, but this was not my sister and not my country. What experience do some you guys have with this that they can justify lying?

Back home, after over 6 weeks in the hospital, Secret finally broke down to ask for help. With the land having been paid off, she didn't need much to survive on, and she only wanted a bit to help the children with some things for school. The son was growing and the sister, well, needed some things to accommodate her new handicapped life. I asked how much she wanted. She would not give a figure, almost getting upset that I had to ask, like I should just know. I said I couldn't read her mind. It was obvious she felt shame at having to ask me, and later she said she feared I would leave her if she was a burden to me. But I just wanted to know what she needed to buy and how much it would cost, rather than for me to just send her a wad of cash. But when I said "tell me what you need! She clammed up and said "never mind" and refused to talk about it anymore. Stubborn Thai women! Haha. I let it drop for a little while, curious to see if she would come back to ask again, but she didn't. Next day I brought it back up, and by asking questions I got her to start answering. If I said something like "This costs x baht and that costs yy baht, right? That was fine. But if I said "you want me to give you zz baht" as more of a statement than a question, she would back away. Is this typical for Thai women?

The total amount was peanuts but, of course a yellow flag went up. Was I growing the black hole which would eventually suck me and my finances in? She had to be very low on cash by that point and she needed work soon or I might her asking me or running off somewhere to make money. The last 15 months had been horrible for her. First the disgusting bar work and then a large degree of unemployment, her accident, dealing with me, the sister's accident and continued unemployment. Before the last half of 2019 and meeting me and working in the bar, she had never been unemployed. She was not only exhausted and mentally drained, she was sick with worry and guilt for failing to care for her family.

Ok. So by this time I had discovered her social media page. It had some interesting things, some of relevance which I have discussed previously, and I may bring up a few more later. Her injured sister had made progress and was able to fend for herself now. Then one of her friends or followers started talking about going to Pattaya. She replied there was no work there but, a few days later she is all in, saying "Let's go to Pattaya!" She even got a brief message from her previous bar manager, asking how she was doing. She replied "fine" with a few smiley faces. But I wondered if she was joking about going. She said nothing to me about going anywhere. Then one day she was shopping with the kids, and then she goes dark. I knew she was going somewhere far away at that point. We pretty much had a set schedule of when we texted, and when she missed two of those schedules, I guessed she had traveled to either Bangkok or Pattaya. When she finally texted me again, she excitedly told me she was leaving the village to start massage school. Sheesh. But, indeed, over a year ago she had told me she wanted to have a massage shop at her house. The house was large enough and, I guess, after 2 months of school, she could get her license and open her own business. She thought she could make enough money in her village to survive. Since she had told me before there was some legitimacy to the story.

She sent me a photo of the apartment she would be sharing with a girlfriend, so she was there already. I was quite suspicious, as she had not told me any of this in advance. I mean, one day I don't hear from her and the next she is some city signing up for massage school. To me, it seemed obvious she was in Pattaya, and she was hiding that fact from me. Was she there to attend school or to do adult work though? After several days I asked where she was, as she had not yet told me. She gave me the name of a small city about an hour away from her home, a border town. I supposed it could have a massage school, and she said her staying with a friend would save money. But my gut told me she was in Pattaya.

But I had been wrong before. I decided to play along and act like I believed her (and maybe she [I]was[/I] telling me the truth).

LittleBigMan posted a message asking if I knew what I was digging up. It is time for me to do some digging to find out where she is and what she will be doing. True, it is none of my business, but if she is lying to me I had the right to stop seeing her. With knowledge of the truth, I can decide what action that is appropriate for me. And, guys, we are getting close to end. I still invite you guys to make a prediction as to the actual ending. Some of you carry on like you know how this turns out.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2501511]At the current time of the story, she and I had shared many, many thousands of text messages. I could count on both hands the number of 24-hour periods where we had not texted each other since early May 2019. I have learned many things about her through our messages. We are not digging. We are simply texting about our lives and these things come out over the weeks and months of conversing. I must assume from the surprise given that the typical BG does not write thousands of messages to her clients, discussing their daily lives?

I am constantly looking for things that need to be dug up. If you have any specifics of something I am missing, please advise. This story is not so much about me, but to help others about to be drawn in by an evil Thai BG. I was obviously drawn, so pointing out what I missed, so as to help someone else avoid the pitfalls and traps, is welcome.[/QUOTE]All I will say is I don't have the writing skills as the others and certainly not the time see, I acutally have to attend to some sick buffaloes and hogs. You have enough guys to play around with here texting is what the girls do especially when you already made an installment look at it as phone sex? You can text another 1000 times or as we call it (dig) it wouldn't matter.