Rio de Janeiro Reports

In general, you can go to any kiosk at any corner in Zona Sul and buy a sim card. You may need a CPF. I have several CPF's I've acquired over the years from Brazilian friends, many of them our special friends that is the subject of this board. The prices etc will be higher at the more formal Kiosks.

The best prices for sim cards are to be had at the mercado popular at Uruguiana metro station. Go to the station via metro, come up to the street, and there will be many street touts happy to sell you a sim card from all the services (oi, etc). You will need a CPF. When you go to buy a sim, simply go up to a street tout, and have the CPF written or on your smartphone. Say, "Requiro chipeee" (chipeee is what the locals call a sim), "Tenho CPF" and stick the number in the local's face. Negotiate a little. Do your business with a stack of small notes, and wear a local soccer shirt, eg, Vasco (or Flamengo etc). You can also buy cheap knock off soccer shirts at the mercado, and you should do this first, for security. Just pick a local team. There are four. Learn if you like, and I highly suggest this, the local insults, eg, "Mais linda gatas do Rio sou vascainas" (Most beautiful girls of rio are vasco fans), or "Flamengistas sou feio e veio" (Female Flamengo fans are ugly and old). Practice these insults with a safe local, like a doorman at a hotel first. If you can't say these lines naturally and in good humor, eliciting a laugh, then simply shut up, and point at your ear because you are deaf when you are on the street or on public buses. Further, use these lines when talking to rio's finest -- both the working girls and the cops -- but again, only when you can say these lines with confidence. Now, only in Brazil can you: A) activate a sim chip in your phone, and B) activate a whatsapp on your smartphone. Now, do both. Then set as your image for your whatsapp account the same logo as the futbol team you have chosen, eg, Vasco. Now, you can click from the best sites for GDPs to your zap (what the locals call whatsapp) with reckless abandon. The youngest freshest talent is to be found on the most local of the sites, which is the subject of another full post, or perhaps an update to bubba's guide, and of course, recce of the prives in person. Go and monger forth as you mongered for your sim chipeee -- on foot, in a vasco camisa (not to be confused with a camisinha kkkk), with a smartphone with zap with a vasco logo -- and raise a toast to Robert Jordan and Ernest Hemingway.

Therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;.

It tolls for thee.

Find your Maria. And your Gellhorn. And have a threesome with the Morena and the Loira. And post pictures, preferably with baby oil and butt plugs.

[QUOTE=Baksonlee;2320571]I will be landing at Galeo International Airport in Rio at 9 pm on a Saturday, what will the quickest way be to obtain a sim card as most malls would be closed at this time.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Baksonlee;2320571]I will be landing at Galeo International Airport in Rio at 9 pm on a Saturday, what will the quickest way be to obtain a sim card as most malls would be closed at this time.[/QUOTE]There'll be 2-3 vendors hawking SIM cards immediately after you clear baggage. Do you have a CPF?

Regarding the portuguese lesson 2 posts below:
"Learn if you like, and I highly suggest this, the local insults "Flamengistas sou feio e veio" (Female Flamengo fans are ugly and old)"

Assuming he wanted to write "Flamenguistas, sou feio e velho." Meaning, "Flamengo fans, I'm ugly and old."

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2321014]In general, you can go to any kiosk at any corner in Zona Sul and buy a sim card. You may need a CPF. I have several CPF's I've acquired over the years from Brazilian friends, many of them our special friends that is the subject of this board. The prices etc will be higher at the more formal Kiosks.

The best prices for sim cards are to be had at the mercado popular at Uruguiana metro station. Go to the station via metro, come up to the street, and there will be many street touts happy to sell you a sim card from all the services (oi, etc). You will need a CPF. When you go to buy a sim, simply go up to a street tout, and have the CPF written or on your smartphone. Say, "Requiro chipeee" (chipeee is what the locals call a sim), "Tenho CPF" and stick the number in the local's face. Negotiate a little. Do your business with a stack of small notes, and wear a local soccer shirt, eg, Vasco (or Flamengo etc). You can also buy cheap knock off soccer shirts at the mercado, and you should do this first, for security. Just pick a local team. There are four. Learn if you like, and I highly suggest this, the local insults, eg, "Mais linda gatas do Rio sou vascainas" (Most beautiful girls of rio are vasco fans), or "Flamengistas sou feio e veio" (Female Flamengo fans are ugly and old). Practice these insults with a safe local, like a doorman at a hotel first. If you can't say these lines naturally and in good humor, eliciting a laugh, then simply shut up, and point at your ear because you are deaf when you are on the street or on public buses. Further, use these lines when talking to rio's finest -- both the working girls and the cops -- but again, only when you can say these lines with confidence. Now, only in Brazil can you: A) activate a sim chip in your phone, and B) activate a whatsapp on your smartphone. Now, do both. Then set as your image for your whatsapp account the same logo as the futbol team you have chosen, eg, Vasco. Now, you can click from the best sites for GDPs to your zap (what the locals call whatsapp) with reckless abandon. The youngest freshest talent is to be found on the most local of the sites, which is the subject of another full post, or perhaps an update to bubba's guide, and of course, recce of the prives in person. Go and monger forth as you mongered for your sim chipeee -- on foot, in a vasco camisa (not to be confused with a camisinha kkkk), with a smartphone with zap with a vasco logo -- and raise a toast to Robert Jordan and Ernest Hemingway.

Therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;.

It tolls for thee.

Find your Maria. And your Gellhorn. And have a threesome with the Morena and the Loira. And post pictures, preferably with baby oil and butt plugs.[/QUOTE]I would never buy a local soccer shirt. Sometimes I may just grab a shirt for travel and then go to a different part of Brazil where I may encounter problems. These people take their soccer very seriously not like US football.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2321014]In general, you can go to any kiosk at any corner in Zona Sul and buy a sim card. You may need a CPF. I have several CPF's I've acquired over the years from Brazilian friends, many of them our special friends that is the subject of this board. The prices etc will be higher at the more formal Kiosks.

The best prices for sim cards are to be had at the mercado popular at Uruguiana metro station. Go to the station via metro, come up to the street, and there will be many street touts happy to sell you a sim card from all the services (oi, etc). You will need a CPF. When you go to buy a sim, simply go up to a street tout, and have the CPF written or on your smartphone. Say, "Requiro chipeee" (chipeee is what the locals call a sim), "Tenho CPF" and stick the number in the local's face. Negotiate a little. Do your business with a stack of small notes, and wear a local soccer shirt, eg, Vasco (or Flamengo etc). You can also buy cheap knock off soccer shirts at the mercado, and you should do this first, for security. Just pick a local team. There are four. Learn if you like, and I highly suggest this, the local insults, eg, "Mais linda gatas do Rio sou vascainas" (Most beautiful girls of rio are vasco fans), or "Flamengistas sou feio e veio" (Female Flamengo fans are ugly and old). [/QUOTE]Thank you for your advice, but unfortunately I do not have a CPF. Is there a way around this or can I just use any CPF online?

Wearing a local soccer shirt is a sure sign of the confidence needed for successful mongering in Brazil. Indeed, starting a small collection and suiting up one's equip is extra credit, the graduate level of mongering. I suggest suiting up one mulata with big tits in Vasco and a second mulata with big tits in Flamengo. Botafogo should be worn by the monger who is hosting.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2321286]I would never buy a local soccer shirt. Sometimes I may just grab a shirt for travel and then go to a different part of Brazil where I may encounter problems. These people take their soccer very seriously not like US football.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2320003] an epic flood on April 9, from a night of continuous heavy rain that trapped me inside my AirBnB apartment almost all day and apparently all options for hobbying took the day off. Tr.[/QUOTE]Option: don't send your date home. LOL.

Go to a post office and apply for one. But that's bad operational security.

[QUOTE=Baksonlee;2321539]Thank you for your advice, but unfortunately I do not have a CPF. Is there a way around this or can I just use any CPF online?[/QUOTE]

Touche, senior.

E instead of Sou perhaps. This is why one person practices.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2321194]Regarding the portuguese lesson 2 posts below:
"Learn if you like, and I highly suggest this, the local insults "Flamengistas sou feio e veio" (Female Flamengo fans are ugly and old)"

Assuming he wanted to write "Flamenguistas, sou feio e velho." Meaning, "Flamengo fans, I'm ugly and old."[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2321685]Touche, senior.

E instead of Sou perhaps. This is why one person practices.[/QUOTE]Not "é", use "são".

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2321685]Touche, senior.

E instead of Sou perhaps. This is why one person practices.[/QUOTE]Right sao was correct for they situation. If I were saying about myself there is a subtle difference between esta and sou. The difference is you use Sou when describing a more permanent state of existence. So for example:

I am here now. Eu esta aqui.

Vs.

I am from the US. Eu sou dos Estados Unidos.

[QUOTE=Baksonlee;2321539]Thank you for your advice, but unfortunately I do not have a CPF. Is there a way around this or can I just use any CPF online?[/QUOTE]I don't have a CPF but have gotten two sim cards, one Vivo and one TIM, activated by going to their store. I believe the person attending you uses their CPF or another customer's CPF. I know this because when I returned to Brazil I found I had lost access to my TIM account because I had not used it for a long time, since I had been out of the country for about 6 months, and they couldn't reactivate it since it was in the name of some woman. I chose to get a Vivo chip instead because they had a better plan but the Vivo store couldn't sell me a chip. They told me to go to a newsstand to get one and then they activated it, all without a CPF (although I think they may have made a copy of my passport). I think the guy that activated it used his CPF.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2321924]Right sao was correct for they situation. If I were saying about myself there is a subtle difference between esta and sou. The difference is you use Sou when describing a more permanent state of existence. So for example:

I am here now. Eu esta aqui.

Vs.

I am from the US. Eu sou dos Estados Unidos.[/QUOTE]Mmmm, you might want to double check your portugués there Steve, LOL.

You're 50 % correct.

"Flamenguistas sao feio e velho. ".

Is correct?

I've only spoken the insult, and it's a handy one in Rio, as most of the locals are Flamengo fans and won't expect it from an inexperienced tourist.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2321880]Not "", use "so".[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2322040]"Flamenguistas sao feio e velho. ".

Is correct?

I've only spoken the insult, and it's a handy one in Rio, as most of the locals are Flamengo fans and won't expect it from an inexperienced tourist.[/QUOTE]

"Flamenguistas sao feias e velhas" is correct. Changed to plural and femininum, i.e. female flamengo fans.

"Feio e velho" is singular and masculinum, i.e. correct for one man.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2319418]Because hotels clean and change the sheets everyday and sometimes they are even cheaper with more amenities. I have only used airbnb 2 or 3 times around the world. Seems okay at first, then they add that cleaning fee and service charge and I am like might as well just get a hotel.[/QUOTE]I hear ya. In my apartment or Airbnb experience I have daily cleaning (sometime with a charge and sometimes service is included) overall the Total Cost is always cheaper than Hotel. And the overall value proposition is better and amenities (I. E. , full kitchen, Large Balcony, Washer / dryer, living room space, depending on place a jacuzzi and or pool usually in penthouse, etc.) just an all around large spacious accommodations. Like in the US a Hotel Suite (I. E, Embassy Suites) is more spacious that your average hotel room event in the most expensive hotel. Anyway. Not trying to convince you,. Everyone has their preference Hotel vs. Apartment.

I will concede that there are cheap hotels that can be cheaper that an apartment or Airbnb, but not the class of hotels I would frequent.

[QUOTE=Nordico;2320396]ApplePay and AndroidPay are more secure to use, than using your physical card. [URL]https://www.kaspersky.com/blog/chip-n-pin-cloning/21502/[/URL] I have not used them, so I don't know how widely they are accepted in Brazil.[/QUOTE]Good post and good article. Thanks.

[QUOTE=UniversalX;2322618]I hear ya. In my apartment or Airbnb experience I have daily cleaning (sometime with a charge and sometimes service is included) overall the Total Cost is always cheaper than Hotel. And the overall value proposition is better and amenities (I. E. , full kitchen, Large Balcony, Washer / dryer, living room space, depending on place a jacuzzi and or pool usually in penthouse, etc.) just an all around large spacious accommodations. Like in the US a Hotel Suite (I. E, Embassy Suites) is more spacious that your average hotel room event in the most expensive hotel. Anyway. Not trying to convince you,. Everyone has their preference Hotel vs. Apartment.

I will concede that there are cheap hotels that can be cheaper that an apartment or Airbnb, but not the class of hotels I would frequent.[/QUOTE]If you can find all of those amenities in an apartment in Rio for cheaper than a hotel room, please let me know!

[QUOTE=Bravo;2323349]If you can find all of those amenities in an apartment in Rio for cheaper than a hotel room, please let me know![/QUOTE]I am also curious to know it. Do you mean apartments in zona sul (Copacabana, ipanema etc)?. Hotels are better for short time but if you stay over one month you can find cheaper apartments as good as hotels.

A little info on airbnb. I started using airbnb in 2012. I am one on their oldest customers. I just checked my profile and I have used airbnb 42 times. Aprox 20 in RIO 10 in Argentina and the others in other SA countries and a hand full in europe. I always stay in an apartment and I have paid over $50.00 I think 3 times. With that said the last few trips and from now on I'm raising my limit to $60.00. I would say overall most of the apartments I have stayed in were 3.5 stars. A few were better some were not as good. I've had problems 3 times, once in Barranquilla My apartment turned out to be a hotel storage room with no windows and next to the parking garage. I didn't stay and rented a room at a local hotel for one night airbnb refunded my money minus their fee but gave me a coupon worth more that their fee. I will not bore you with the other problems I had but airbnb has good customer service. Pull up their internet site and study it for a minute. Its pretty much straight forward. A few hints. Like I said I always look for apartments, all have kitchens. I don't cook but I do like a refer and a microwave and a coffee pot. WIFI is a must. I have found that condo rentals and some hotels lease apartments to people that rent them out thru airbnb. If this is what you like look at their amenities and if they list a exercise room and or a pool this is a dead giveaway. When setting up a trip to RIO I try to set up my travel dates around the availability of rooms at the real residents hotel. (I'm not sure that's the right name) but apartments there are about $50.00 a night and it's worth it. I hope this helps.

[QUOTE=Hotrod10;2325418] When setting up a trip to RIO I try to set up my travel dates around the availability of rooms at the real residents hotel. (I'm not sure that's the right name) but apartments there are about $50.00 a night and it's worth it. I hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Are you speaking of Apart Hotels? These work fine.

I've stayed in Brazilian and South American condo buildings that could have been rental apartments being re-rented by the tenant on AirBnB. I never asked the desk guys. Things with AirBnB are very fluid. I just look for a decent price, decent accommodations and good reviews.

I'm certain on occasion that I have stayed in someone's personal apartment. They have checked me in and went off to stay with a friend nearby.

Termas report.

Below is a list I visited.

Concept was new to me.

My first visit was.

4 x4 I can say this is best when it comes to variety of girls and is open till 3 am. The girls line up is good. Everyone tries to seduce you.

Price is 60 entry + 270 for girl 30 minutes. Took Larisa for first time. She speaks english and awesome kisser.

Second time visited and I spoke to many girls and tested them. Most of them were not ready for lip kiss before going to room so again ended up with Larissa!

Club Cancun.

Can say ambience ok ok only.

Girls also not bad. Rates are same as 70 entry and 260 for girls 30 mind. Took some girl who speaks ok ok english.

Monte Carlo.

Really expensive club and girls not that good.

For card payment they charge some 150 r $ extra. Really stealers.

Entry is 120 and that day some discount hence 60.

For girl with room it's 430 totally to 500 are $.

Someone please tell the rates of termas solarium and termas502 (Centro). What other adult clubs are good?

Any good girls or sp contact please tell me.

Lookin at recent posts in rio forum, there is more discussion going on about ATM, apartments, stealing rather than girls SO's and club.

Has anyone made their way to Duque de Caxias before? Mainly I want to know if its safe for me go there alone during the day. There are some big booty MILF Ads I saw on photoacompanhantes that I really want to try out.

I know the Metro does not go out there but the SuperVia does. Never taken the SuperVia yet so I don't know how safe it is. I saw some news last month about a lady who got shot at one of the SuperVia station. Also a girl I know told me she got her phone robbed on the trem in March. But the booty might be worth it. If I do make it out to there, I'll definite write a report about the adventure and I'm sure it will be, good or bad.

Esperto, MongerForSex, Bravo, Balboa or anyone who has been there before?

[QUOTE=AbcCool;2326177]Termas report.

Below is a list I visited.

Concept was new to me.

My first visit was.

4 x4 I can say this is best when it comes to variety of girls and is open till 3 am. The girls line up is good. Everyone tries to seduce you.

Price is 60 entry + 270 for girl 30 minutes. Took Larisa for first time. She speaks english and awesome kisser.

Second time visited and I spoke to many girls and tested them. Most of them were not ready for lip kiss before going to room so again ended up with Larissa!.[/QUOTE]LOL, I kinda thought the same.

Not sure of the exact amount, but solarium is maybe double the price of 4 x 4. Celine is a provider who speaks great English and gave great service. I didn't bother going to centuro, I heard it's over priced and quality is similar to 4 x 4? Maybe I'll make my way there.

If your heading to 4 x 4 again, Gabriella and Cindy were hot and gave good service. Gabriella is a great kisser.

My advice max out 4 x 4 during week and head to solarium on sat when 4 x 4 is closed. Get #'s from chics at 4 x 4 for Sunday's, LOL.

I was not a fan of MABS other than it's margarita pizza.

I Was kinda hoping to find recs on escort agencies and see if there's a local forum giving reviews.

Have fun.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2324591]I am also curious to know it. Do you mean apartments in zona sul (Copacabana, ipanema etc)?. Hotels are better for short time but if you stay over one month you can find cheaper apartments as good as hotels.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Bravo;2323349]If you can find all of those amenities in an apartment in Rio for cheaper than a hotel room, please let me know![/QUOTE]HotRod10 and WyattEarp understand what I am talking about.

Yes I am mean apartments in Zona Sul (Copacabana, Ipanema and etc.). Even pre Airbnb an apartment rental provided a better value than Hotel in my opinion. I guess I'm curious as to what people pay for hotel rooms?

For example I put in a random date range of July 17-24 (7 nights) and hotels along Avenida Atlântica ranged from 81 to 123 per night, for a basic room and depending on property breakfast.

For 46 per night via Airbnb or rental apartment I could get and entire apartment: 1 block to beach between Arpoador and Ipanema, 1 BR, 1 BD, 1 BA, full Kitchen, Washer / Dryer, Microwave, Refrig, Wifi, living / Dining Room area, TV, Sofa Bed, Elevator access, Doorman / Security, iron, cable TV.

For 126 per night an Penthouse Apartment w / pool.

For 36 per night 2 min walk to beach 1 BR, 1 BD, 1 BA Studio apartment w / Air-conditioning, electric fan, hair dryer, microwave, cook-top, refrigerator, coffee-maker, sandwich grill, blender, flat-iron, LCD TV 40", Cable TV, DVD player, WiFi, Queen Size bed, and closet. 24 HR Doorman.

But if you prefer hotels there is nothing wrong with that.

It's possible to have a permanent visa if I buy a property in Copacabana or Barra the Tijuka? I plan to live in Brazil or Thailand but I prefer Brazil over Thailand because when you buy, you own 100% of property unlike Thailand.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2326184]Has anyone made their way to Duque de Caxias before? Mainly I want to know if its safe for me go there alone during the day. There are some big booty MILF Ads I saw on photoacompanhantes that I really want to try out.

I know the Metro does not go out there but the SuperVia does. Never taken the SuperVia yet so I don't know how safe it is. I saw some news last month about a lady who got shot at one of the SuperVia station. Also a girl I know told me she got her phone robbed on the trem in March. But the booty might be worth it. If I do make it out to there, I'll definite write a report about the adventure and I'm sure it will be, good or bad.

Esperto, MongerForSex, Bravo, Balboa or anyone who has been there before?[/QUOTE]I stayed in DDC for 4 months (Lote 15 to be exact). Its definitely a place where you have to keep your head on a swivel at night (Many of the drug dealers/ muggers were pushed out of their favelas and set up shop in caxias, it can very dangerous at night), but during the daytime you should be ok. You can get a room at one of the hotels near the bus station (Novo Hotel is a good spot) , invite the milfs over during the day and then at night you can take a 5 minute cab ride to the Rei De Bacalhau club.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2326184]Esperto, MongerForSex, Bravo, Balboa or anyone who has been there before?[/QUOTE]
I've been to Duque de Caxias many times, but not since the club Pyramide closed. I liked Duque de Caxias, but it's not very different than many other places in RJ.

I think you should definitely check it out. Good luck!

[QUOTE=BrazilRio;2326265]It's possible to have a permanent visa if I buy a property in Copacabana or Barra the Tijuka? I plan to live in Brazil or Thailand but I prefer Brazil over Thailand because when you buy, you own 100% of property unlike Thailand.[/QUOTE]No. BTW Tijuca.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2326497]I stayed in DDC for 4 months (Lote 15 to be exact). Its definitely a place where you have to keep your head on a swivel at night (Many of the drug dealers/ muggers were pushed out of their favelas and set up shop in caxias, it can very dangerous at night), but during the daytime you should be ok. You can get a room at one of the hotels near the bus station (Novo Hotel is a good spot) , invite the milfs over during the day and then at night you can take a 5 minute cab ride to the Rei De Bacalhau club.[/QUOTE]I like your choice of word 'swivel' cause that's exactly what I constantly do when I'm walking on the streets here in Rio, even during the daytime. I hate it cause then I get distracted from all the street booties LOL.

Many of these big booty MILFs are around the R100 range, figure R50 for the motel, so R130 - R170 for an hour isn't so bad.

Can you elaborate more about this club Rei De Bacalhau, is it a spot where locals pick up GDPs or is it a normal club? I don't plan on spending the night over there. Maybe 10 or even 5 years ago when I was more reckless I would but if this club you mentioned is worth it, then I might. Who knows.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2326514]I've been to Duque de Caxias many times, but not since the club Pyramide closed. I liked Duque de Caxias, but it's not very different than many other places in RJ.

I think you should definitely check it out. Good luck![/QUOTE]Thank you for your input Sperto, coming from a Rio veteran such as you and Bravo really gives me the vote of confidence I need to follow through with this plan. I'm a person who loves to adventure outside of beaten path and try out new things. I think next week I'll go there just to get a feel for the area and check out a few hotels, including the one Bravo recommended and if everything checks out OK then I'm going to do it.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2326533]I like your choice of word 'swivel' cause that's exactly what I constantly do when I'm walking on the streets here in Rio, even during the daytime. I hate it cause then I get distracted from all the street booties LOL.

Many of these big booty MILFs are around the R100 range, figure R50 for the motel, so R130 - R170 for an hour isn't so bad.

Can you elaborate more about this club Rei De Bacalhau, is it a spot where locals pick up GDPs or is it a normal club? I don't plan on spending the night over there. Maybe 10 or even 5 years ago when I was more reckless I would but if this club you mentioned is worth it, then I might. Who knows.[/QUOTE]Rei De Bacalhau is 100% normal club.

[QUOTE=BrazilRio;2326265]It's possible to have a permanent visa if I buy a property in Copacabana or Barra the Tijuka? I plan to live in Brazil or Thailand but I prefer Brazil over Thailand because when you buy, you own 100% of property unlike Thailand.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.braziliancitizenship.com/[/URL]

Invest are $1,000,000 (265 k USD) in real estate, by buying a property in Brazil with a minimum of one million Brazilian real (or are $ 700 k BRL if that property in less developed states north of Brazil) you immediately will be eligible for investor visa and permanent residency and the process takes up to 45 days.

Or are $500,000 BRL (135 k USD), commercial investment by opening a new business or buy an already existing one, the process here slightly more time consuming we're talking about 4 to 6 months between legally structuring the business, central bank registration, capitalization and obtaining the investor visa & permanent residency.

Finally went to solarium yesterday.

The ambience of the club was not that great for the price.

They charge a fucking 120 for entry.

And 560 for 40 mind with girl.

Many girls seemed to be with attitude. When I entered the place no one cares to come near me. They were just sitting in their places.

I myself went and spoke to a English speaking pussy.

She was trying to seduce but after some 10 minutes she told let's go room room.

Then I got bored with her. I thought of just watching the pussies.

And just leave the place. Firstly I'm paying 560 r $ and the girls don't even.

Bother to seduce you. Finally a big booty tall classy lady came.

She knew little English. But her kisses and lip kiss just made me faint.

After 1 hour spending on floor. Took her to room and fucked her.

I came in 5 minutes 😅. Then she did some massage and stuff. I just started.

My second round. When I was getting in mood and was about to cum.

The phone rings saying 40 mind is over 😭.

I called her to my hotel one day.

She is charging 1000 r$ for 3 hours. Is it a good rate to pay?

No way BR 1,000 for 3 hours is good. Negotiate if you really want to see her. Counter BR 500 for 3 hours and see what she says. Remember, you have the BR's not her and make sure the rate is fair, but not outrageous for either of you.

[QUOTE=AbcCool;2326825]Finally went to solarium yesterday.

The ambience of the club was not that great for the price.

They charge a fucking 120 for entry.

And 560 for 40 mind with girl.

Many girls seemed to be with attitude. When I entered the place no one cares to come near me. They were just sitting in their places.

I myself went and spoke to a English speaking pussy.

She was trying to seduce but after some 10 minutes she told let's go room room.

Then I got bored with her. I thought of just watching the pussies.

And just leave the place. Firstly I'm paying 560 r $ and the girls don't even.

Bother to seduce you. Finally a big booty tall classy lady came.

She knew little English. But her kisses and lip kiss just made me faint.

After 1 hour spending on floor. Took her to room and fucked her.

I came in 5 minutes 😅. Then she did some massage and stuff. I just started.

My second round. When I was getting in mood and was about to cum.

The phone rings saying 40 mind is over 😭.

I called her to my hotel one day.

She is charging 1000 r$ for 3 hours. Is it a good rate to pay?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AbcCool;2326825]

She is charging 1000 r$ for 3 hours. Is it a good rate to pay?[/QUOTE]500 REAIS is the right rate.

[QUOTE=Voyajer1;2326908]No way BR 1,000 for 3 hours is good. Negotiate if you really want to see her. Counter BR 500 for 3 hours and see what she says. Remember, you have the BR's not her and make sure the rate is fair, but not outrageous for either of you.[/QUOTE]A famous man once said if you are not embarrassed by your offer then you are offering too much.

I know this was discussed a while back ago but I didn't recall anyone recommending a safe and reliable ATM machine location (s) here in RJ?

I went to Barra Shopping yesterday for the first time. I did find two banks inside with ATM machines and several 24 horas ATM machines scattered around but none of them were guarded by security so they seemed too dangerous to me to use. I was quite disappointed since I thought Barra Shopping being a high end shopping mall would have better security. This is my first time bringing my ATM card to Brazil. I still have a bit of cash on me but eventually I will have to use my card to withdraw funds.

BTW, I found two locations in Sao Paulo where there are safe and reliable ATM machines. The first is in Shopping Ibirapuera in Moema. There are several Santander ATM machines one the first floor with a glass wall separating them from the bank itself. The glass makes the ATM machines totally visible to the guards. The second location is in Iguatemi Shopping. There are three 24 horas ATM machines but they are located in an obscure location. I had to actually asked the lady at the information desk where they were. After entering the mall, follow the large ramp that leads you down to the all the stores. There is a small corridor to the left of the ramp, follow it all the way down and the ATM machines are to the right in a little corner. Every time that I was there, there was a security guard guarding the area.

[QUOTE=AbcCool;2326825]She was trying to seduce but after some 10 minutes she told let's go room room.[/QUOTE]That's a typical experience for me at Monte Carlo, Solarium and Centaurus. Some girl who I am attracted to (or not) locks in and wants to go to the room right away. For a variety of reasons, I enjoy the vibe of a bar full of available Brazilian girls before I fire my first round. When I come back down from the first session, I don't have that same heightened sense of libido*. Termas 4x4 is a good place to just hang before making your decision to go to the room.

* It's the same reason a girlfriend should give her guy a blow job before he heads out to the bars with his guy friends.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2327119]I know this was discussed a while back ago but I didn't recall anyone recommending a safe and reliable ATM machine location (s) here in RJ?[/QUOTE]I've been using Bradesco ATM's with no issues this and my last trip. (These ATM's are located inside a bank.) I did use a Banco 24 hrs ATM at Rio Sul shopping. It cost me $6 USD more to use that ATM vs Bradesco. The only time I had my card cloned was when I used it at a Banco do Brasil ATM at GIG. The GIG ATM's have been cloning cards for decades!

I've installed Skimmer Scanner on my Samsung Galaxy. It's "a free, open source app that detects common Bluetooth based credit card skimmers predominantly found in gas pumps. " So far, so Good. Youtube also has vids on how to spot a skimmer.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2327091]500 REAIS is the right rate.[/QUOTE]In March I paid 600 reals (Mabs girl) from 8 pm to 9 am. So 1000 reals for 3 hours no thanks.

[QUOTE=Frenchieboy;2327401]In March I paid 600 reals (Mabs girl) from 8 pm to 9 am. So 1000 reals for 3 hours no thanks.[/QUOTE]As a Brazilian, I never go to Mabs. Mabs is a gringo trap, I ve rarely seen stunners in Mabs. 1000 reais is too much overnight, 500 reais is ok if the girls is good looking. You can also have terma girls for 400 reais all night even for free. For example, when I go ro termas on Fridays. I always invite a terma girl to go out after work and later we go to a hotel or motel.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2327409]As a Brazilian, I never go to Mabs. Mabs is a gringo trap, I ve rarely seen stunners in Mabs. 1000 reais is too much overnight, 500 reais is ok if the girls is good looking. You can also have terma girls for 400 reais all night even for free. For example, when I go ro termas on Fridays. I always invite a terma girl to go out after work and later we go to a hotel or motel.[/QUOTE]For someone who speaks perfect Portuguese that's no problem. I do speak some Portuguese but not enough to converse in complex conversations. For all night, you can only have sex for so long. The majority of down time you will need to keep the girl engaged and entertained with conversations. Sure, there is google translate that I can use but it very cumbersome and clumsy and the human connection is diminished with the use of a machine. Plus, translators are not perfect with translations and a lot of the original meanings can be lost. I envy that you can speak perfect Portuguese. I have been studying on my own on and off for the last couple of years. But I only feel I make progress when I'm here in Brazil where I can practice with the natives. I doubt that I will ever be as fluent a native speaker. If I am able to stay in Brazil for a couple of month straights then maybe I can hit 50% proficiency. Right now I think I'm only at 25%.

Yesterday, I was trying to ask an attendant where can I buy a ticket at a metro station and a young Brazilian lady next to me gave me directions in English. She even gave me her ticket and refused my money when I tried to pay her. She spoke very good English. I was quite surprised. Too bad we were at the metro station. If we met at a store or a party I would have talked to her more. I wonder how many women in SP and RJ can speak conversational English?

When I was on the train, I overheard 3 ladies talking in English but from their accent I can tell they were either Americans or Canadians. I almost had the urge to go up to them and strike a conversation but I then thought how weird that would be LOL.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2327382]I've been using Bradesco ATM's with no issues this and my last trip. (These ATM's are located inside a bank.) I did use a Banco 24 hrs ATM at Rio Sul shopping. It cost me $6 USD more to use that ATM vs Bradesco. The only time I had my card cloned was when I used it at a Banco do Brasil ATM at GIG. The GIG ATM's have been cloning cards for decades!

I've installed Skimmer Scanner on my Samsung Galaxy. It's "a free, open source app that detects common Bluetooth based credit card skimmers predominantly found in gas pumps. " So far, so Good. Youtube also has vids on how to spot a skimmer.[/QUOTE]OOhhh, thanks for info about the skimmer scanner app, I will definitely have to check that out. BTW, if you don't mind disclosing, which Bradesco bank do you use?

If you are an american, you should open up an Charles Schwab checking account, its totally free and it comes with a debit card that will reimburse any / all ATM fees including internationals ones.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2327409]As a Brazilian, I never go to Mabs. Mabs is a gringo trap, I ve rarely seen stunners in Mabs. 1000 reais is too much overnight, 500 reais is ok if the girls is good looking. You can also have terma girls for 400 reais all night even for free. For example, when I go ro termas on Fridays. I always invite a terma girl to go out after work and later we go to a hotel or motel.[/QUOTE]Mabs may be a gringo trap as you say, and most girls aren't that great, however, I have found some keepers there.

I stop in, check the scenery, and if I see something I like, I move in for a chat and see what she's like, if she's cool, if we have chemistry.

If so, I offer 300R for all night and as long as she wants to hang the next day.
I provide food and drinks of course, and usually an Uber home.

Normally if there's a good vibe and chemistry, she gladly comes with me.

If she starts asking for more, etc, etc, I just politely say good night and leave.

That happens at times too of course.

I don't care, I just move on.

I win some, I lose some, but I've definitely had good luck at times.

[QUOTE=AbcCool;2326825]Finally went to solarium yesterday.

The ambience of the club was not that great for the price.

They charge a fucking 120 for entry.

And 560 for 40 mind with girl.

Many girls seemed to be with attitude. When I entered the place no one cares to come near me. They were just sitting in their places.

I myself went and spoke to a English speaking pussy.

She was trying to seduce but after some 10 minutes she told let's go room room.

Then I got bored with her. I thought of just watching the pussies..[/QUOTE]It's all relative to how hot the lady is I guess. I rarely would find anything worthwhile at MABS but when I did the girls would charge 200-300 real / hour. These chics were cute, above average GND. Not head turners. Cute girls, don't think anyone would turn them down if they came on to you somewhere at A bar. Surprised guys are saying they got the whole night for 300 real?

Found a really hot fair skinned Brazilian at one of the side bars by Mabs. She was pretty hot def above average def a notch or two above the Chics I found at Mabs, she wanted 450 reals / hour, said she would come for 400.

Some guys from work get DDG girls from some agency and pay USA $400 for two hours.

1000 real for 3 hours, she better give you great service. I met this chic Larissa from solarium, with me she was lackluster at most in service. Knew I was from out of town and gave me her #? LOL. Dude if your going to call a chic over make sure she's going to give you a good time. Sample some more chics if you want my advice.

For 1000 real you could prob have a chic from 4 x 4 take you out to Lapa bars and give you a service at night and Am and hang out the next day. But again, if this chic looks like a Victoria's Secret model, 1000 may be right?

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2327469]For someone who speaks perfect Portuguese that's no problem. I do speak some Portuguese but not enough to converse in complex conversations. For all night, you can only have sex for so long. The majority of down time you will need to keep the girl engaged and entertained with conversations.[/QUOTE]And you use the rest of the time practicing Portuguese. So while the chick thinks you are only paying her for sex, you are getting a 2 for 1 deal because she is doubling as your tutor. Nobody started off speaking fluent Portuguese. Not even natives. Learning a language is a process.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2327469]Too bad we were at the metro station. If we met at a store or a party I would have talked to her more.[/QUOTE]But you were already talking to her. All you had to do was exchange information and talk more later.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2327469]When I was on the train, I overheard 3 ladies talking in English but from their accent I can tell they were either Americans or Canadians. I almost had the urge to go up to them and strike a conversation but I then thought how weird that would be LOL.[/QUOTE]How would that have been weird? Whenever I am in my country and hear someone speaking in a language familiar to me that is not English then I ask where they are from. Whenever I am in a country that is not known for English and I hear someone speaking in English, then I also ask where they are from. Nothing weird about talking to people.

[QUOTE=Frenchieboy;2327401]In March I paid 600 reals (Mabs girl) from 8 pm to 9 am. So 1000 reals for 3 hours no thanks.[/QUOTE]No more than 500 R max paid for 1 am-8 am, I didn't negotiate should have, I am confidant I could have gotten down to 300 R-400 R. Mabs is not the best but usually someone sets the radar off. I agree that Termas especially 4 x 4 provides best return on investment plus getting the number and getting one to come back to room after work or day (s) later is best bet.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2327409]As a Brazilian, I never go to Mabs. Mabs is a gringo trap, I ve rarely seen stunners in Mabs. 1000 reais is too much overnight, 500 reais is ok if the girls is good looking.[/QUOTE]Gringo trap? Maybe just an inexperienced person trap. I have never even considered paying anyone anywhere 500 reais. In the 18 years that I have been going to Brazil and living there part of the time, I have never paid anyone more than 200 reais for overnight. Pussy is just not worth that much to me, especially when there are so many non-pros floating around. You pay what you negotiate, not what they ask for.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2327561]Gringo trap? Maybe just an inexperienced person trap. I have never even considered paying anyone anywhere 500 reais. In the 18 years that I have been going to Brazil and living there part of the time, I have never paid anyone more than 200 reais for overnight. Pussy is just not worth that much to me, especially when there are so many non-pros floating around. You pay what you negotiate, not what they ask for.[/QUOTE]Mabs is not interesting because it's really crappy, that's why you never see brazilian men there. I don't mind paying 500 - 700 reais all night even few hours if the girl is really beautiful and have a good character. Brazilian men are not cheap when they have money, they spend and choose what they like. I also fuck terma girls for free especially when I go to termas on Fridays, I invite them to go out. The selection is not really good in Mabs, I have rarely seen beautiful women there. I don't have trouble picking up normal girls.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2327469]

Yesterday, I was trying to ask an attendant where can I buy a ticket at a metro station and a young Brazilian lady next to me gave me directions in English. She even gave me her ticket and refused my money when I tried to pay her. She spoke very good English. I was quite surprised. Too bad we were at the metro station. If we met at a store or a party I would have talked to her more. I wonder how many women in SP and RJ can speak conversational English?

[/QUOTE]You should have invited her, in Brazil you can also meet girls in the metro station.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2327603]Mabs is not interesting because it's really crappy, that's why you never see brazilian men there. I don't mind paying 500 - 700 reais all night even few hours if the girl is really beautiful and have a good character. Brazilian men are not cheap when they have money, they spend and choose what they like. I also fuck terma girls for free especially when I go to termas on Fridays, I invite them to go out. The selection is not really good in Mabs, I have rarely seen beautiful women there. I don't have trouble picking up normal girls.[/QUOTE]I am surprsied that you are so successful at getting free sex from terma girls every Friday. Those girls see dick every day, all day long plus they must be asked out on "dates" a 100 times day. I know for a fact that almost every police officer in 4 X4 is constantly trying to get the girls to meet them for free outside of the club, so to see a brazilian man score so easily is quite surprising.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2327618]I am surprsied that you are so successful at getting free sex from terma girls every Friday. Those girls see dick every day, all day long plus they must be asked out on "dates" a 100 times day. I know for a fact that almost every police officer in 4 X4 is constantly trying to get the girls to meet them for free outside of the club, so to see a brazilian man score so easily is quite surprising.[/QUOTE]Free sex doesn't mean really free ( I still pay for the hotel, restaurant and party), I mean I don't pay cash, and no, I don't have free sex with terma girls every Friday because I don't go to termas every Friday. 4 by4 is a good place to invite girls on Fridays. Especially in the whisky bar When the girl finishes, she waits for you in the corner. If you think it's only about dick, it's normal you will never score girls.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2327469]... I wonder how many women in SP and RJ can speak conversational English?

When I was on the train, I overheard 3 ladies talking in English but from their accent I can tell they were either Americans or Canadians. I almost had the urge to go up to them and strike a conversation but I then thought how weird that would be LOL.[/QUOTE]I've been coming to Brasil since the late 90's, I've been living & working in Sao Paulo for the past 4 yrs. My firm does a lot of business with several Fortune 500 Brazilian companies. It's not unusual for me to have to interact in meetings & conferences with Brasileiras who have been educated in the US, Canada, UK & other parts of Europe. Often times their English is superior to mine (English is my L2, my L1 is German).

Granted many of these women are lawyers, MBA financial types, IT specialists, engineers, educators & scientists. Additionally, I've met more than a few GdPs who were formerly married to gringos and have lived or worked abroad, thereby acquiring a decent command of English. Also, there are several universities in Sao Paulo, so it's not unusual to encounter coeds who have an excellent working knowledge of English in their major areas of study.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2327526]Mabs may be a gringo trap as you say, and most girls aren't that great, however, I have found some keepers there.

I stop in, check the scenery, and if I see something I like, I move in for a chat and see what she's like, if she's cool, if we have chemistry.

If so, I offer 300R for all night and as long as she wants to hang the next day.
I provide food and drinks of course, and usually an Uber home.

Normally if there's a good vibe and chemistry, she gladly comes with me.

If she starts asking for more, etc, etc, I just politely say good night and leave.

That happens at times too of course.

I don't care, I just move on.

I win some, I lose some, but I've definitely had good luck at times.[/QUOTE]I hate everything about Mabs, it's not only about girls. I don't really like the atmosphere in Mabs. As a Brazilian, I am against opendoor prostitution. (Mabs, Help, Balcony, streetwalkers). I am not against brothels (termas, clubs, clinicas, prives). I hope mabs will close someday and more termas, clubs and clinicas open. Many girls are not good looking in Mabs but it's possible to find few. The selection is not really good. I agree with you, if there is no good chemistry, just leave. The price you pay is your business. To me I don't care about the price, I pay if I like and have a good vibe from the girls. We Brazilian men pay when we like and can afford. It's not about how much but more about enjoying without regret. 5 weeks ago, I paid a girl from Solarium 800 reais all night. I pay that much because I wanted to pay that price. She did not talk about the price and was nice and a good performer, she just said to me, pay what you want when we finish, I went to a motel with her. Not the best looking girl I fucked but one of the best fuck I experienced. I decided to pay her 800 reais when we woke up maybe because of my mood.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2327608]You should have invited her, in Brazil you can also meet girls in the metro station.[/QUOTE]Yes, looking back now, hindsight 20/20, I really should have done that. An opportunity wasted!

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2327755]I hate everything about Mabs, it's not only about girls. I don't really like the atmosphere in Mabs. As a Brazilian, I am against opendoor prostitution. (Mabs, Help, Balcony, streetwalkers). I am not against brothels (termas, clubs, clinicas, prives). I hope mabs will close someday and more termas, clubs and clinicas open. Many girls are not good looking in Mabs but it's possible to find few. The selection is not really good. I agree with you, if there is no good chemistry, just leave. The price you pay is your business. To me I don't care about the price, I pay if I like and have a good vibe from the girls. We Brazilian men pay when we like and can afford. It's not about how much but more about enjoying without regret. 5 weeks ago, I paid a girl from Solarium 800 reais all night. I pay that much because I wanted to pay that price. She did not talk about the price and was nice and a good performer, she just said to me, pay what you want when we finish, I went to a motel with her. Not the best looking girl I fucked but one of the best fuck I experienced. I decided to pay her 800 reais when we woke up maybe because of my mood.[/QUOTE]All understandable, and I agree, pay what you want, what you're able to.

Mabs for me is a place just to pass thru, and see what's there.

Occasionally get lucky there.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2327603]Mabs is not interesting because it's really crappy, that's why you never see brazilian men there.l.[/QUOTE]Mabs is just another place, of many, to see and possibly find girls.

Obviously you don't like or enjoy it, so don't go.

I know guys that really enjoy hanging out there.

To you it's crappy, to them it's not.

I'm not particularly fond of the Termas.

It's not my thing.

So I don't go but every once in a while, usually when a buddy wants me to go along with him.

I wouldn't call them crappy, just not my thing.

Gents,

I am back in Rio for the next week. Had a conference in SP and now have 6 days to relax in this magnificent city.

Some who know me, know that I have been coming to Rio on and off for the past 15 years. Looking to hook up with anyone he wants to do a termas run or if there any new places to check out. I am staying in Ipanema.

My WhatsApp is +14156041293.

Thanks Speedman.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2327470]OOhhh, thanks for info about the skimmer scanner app, I will definitely have to check that out. BTW, if you don't mind disclosing, which Bradesco bank do you use? If you are an american, you should open up an Charles Schwab checking account, its totally free and it comes with a debit card that will reimburse any / all ATM fees including internationals ones.[/QUOTE]I am and I have. My back up is the Aspiration Card, works the same as the Schwab Card. I've used the Bradesco's on NS Copa, (three different ones,) are Barata Ribeiro, and Siqueira Campos, across from the Metro station. Schwab notifies me immediately by email and via their app whenever my card is used. And I only use it for ATM withdrawals.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2327943]I am and I have. My back up is the Aspiration Card, works the same as the Schwab Card. I've used the Bradesco's on NS Copa, (three different ones,) are Barata Ribeiro, and Siqueira Campos, across from the Metro station. Schwab notifies me immediately by email and via their app whenever my card is used. And I only use it for ATM withdrawals.[/QUOTE]Thank you for all the help.

I'm not staying in Copacabana so it will be an excuse to for me to go there when I need to use my ATM card.

After checking out the scene at Uruguirana, 210 and Alfandega, 119, I went to Terma 502 last night. Unlike the other two, Terma 502 charges a R10 entrance fee that does not go towards any consumption. Programa pricing are R150 for 30 minutes and R200 for 1 hour. The place is basically divided into two sections, dance room and the 'smoke room'. There were about15 girls when I was there. Most were morenas with a few blondes. I was first greeted by a tall skinny mulata with braces and eye glasses. She was friendly but was not my cup of tea. So I walked towards the back of the dance room and sat down. Then the tall skinny mulata came over with another girl, Anjo (I think), who was another skinny mulata albeit shorter. She sat down next to me and immediately starts flirting with me and eventually moved in to ask me to session her. She wasn't bad looking but she lacked in the bunda department so I deflected her a couple of times. She then said she wanted to smoke so we moved to the 'smoke room'. It had better lighting and she was a bit better looking than I thought. Plus she was working hard on me so I eventually gave in and we went upstairs for a 30 minute session. Before we began, she asked me if its ok it she hit some cocaine. She asked me if I wanted some and I adamantly declined her offer. I'll skip the details about the session but she was fun in the bed, very flirtatious and sexually charged (maybe enhanced by the drug? But I fucked up the session by cumming too fast. I hadn't had sex in 2 days. Otherwise it would've been one hell of hot session. I asked her afterwards why does she do drugs and she went on this long explanation which I only understand a bit of. I think basically she said she only does it when she's at the terma to relief stress and to keep her from getting tired. She certainly doesn't act or look like an addict but I highly doubt that was true. I told her at the end that maconha is cool but not cocaine is bad for her. I doubt she will take my advice. Overall Anjo is a very friendly and genuine girl, the what you see is what you get type. But the whole drug thing put me off. Don't think I will repeat with her or return to Terma 502 anytime soon. The talent is just so-so to me and most look jaded and uninterested. There are better talents to be found at Uruguirana, 210 and Praca Olvac Bilac, 13. Plus for the 30 minute session I pay at Terma 502, I can get an extra 30 minutes at those two places.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2328152]Thank you for all the help.

I'm not staying in Copacabana so it will be an excuse to for me to go there when I need to use my ATM card.[/QUOTE]Not sure why you would want to travel very far for an ATM. It goes against the policy of only take what you need for the day, and what you can afford to lose. There are safe ATMs across the city. Just use the invés in the banks that are behind the security doors as they are locked down with the bank every night.

Rule of Withdrawal: 1. Get cash (perhaps enough for a couple of days) and take it back to your secure location ASAP. 2. Leave what you don't need, along with your debit card in secure location. 3. Go to Copa for beach, lunch and prive.

Or go to Copa, withdraw 2000 R and meander about with you bolsa família.

80 reais consumption minimum. I spent 103 reais for consumption.

We kiss each other in the club, we also conversed for one hour before going to the room. She kiss very well and suck very well. She offers BBBJ, vaginal sex, deep french kiss, she doesn't like anal sex but she also offers anal sex, I did not have anal sex with her because her pussy was good enough. I finally came in her mouth to end the session.

Damage: 320 reais for 1 hour, 103 reais for consumption. Total: 423 reais.

[QUOTE=LarryDavid;2328687]Not sure why you would want to travel very far for an ATM. It goes against the policy of only take what you need for the day, and what you can afford to lose. There are safe ATMs across the city. Just use the invs in the banks that are behind the security doors as they are locked down with the bank every night.

Rule of Withdrawal: 1. Get cash (perhaps enough for a couple of days) and take it back to your secure location ASAP. 2. Leave what you don't need, along with your debit card in secure location. 3. Go to Copa for beach, lunch and prive.

Or go to Copa, withdraw 2000 R and meander about with you bolsa famlia.[/QUOTE]A good one I have used many times is the Bradesco on the intersection of Rua Inhanga and Nossa Sra. De Copacabana. Armed guards are very friendly there.

[QUOTE=RioHeart;2329014]A good one I have used many times is the Bradesco on the intersection of Rua Inhanga and Nossa Sra. De Copacabana. Armed guards are very friendly there.[/QUOTE]I finally got a post through! Yippeee.

Not sure what is going on with this site but have not been able to give them money or post anything to replies until yesterday. I actually created another account to do this so I guess the last account was some kind of issue. Still not able to give ISG money!

Recently retired American and have been living in Copa for the last month. Here are some experiences and observations from the last month.

# No safety issues whatsoever so far and I am pretty adventurous. Get all of money from ATM's. My Portuguese is not great but I practice every day and it's getting better. This is my 5th trip to Brazil and so far this month I've been to Lapa, Santa Teresa, Niteroi, Paqueta Island, Leblon, Ipanema, Barra the Tijuca, Recreio, Botafogo, Benifica, Gloria Market, beach days, and of course trips to Centro many times. I take bus, subway, and 99 Taxi. I can't get my Uber account to work as my new Brazil number with Claro was used previously for Uber down here and account is still active. So I have no way to activate account using that number and can't get my US phone number to work for me. 99 Taxi is just as cheap and I pay each ride through Paypal which I like.

# tagged only my 11th Philly last night in one month. I'm 60 yrs old and just can't do it every day. Picked her up at Mab's and we went to 2 a2 swing club in Botafogo. I picked a good one as she was all over girls all night and that led to 2 blowjobs from different girls for me. She was 28 with big tits and attracted a lot of attention. She was even giving blowjobs to other dudes. Sooo many hot chicks in that place. Dark room upstairs was one massive orgy. Couldn't see shit but a lot of groping going on and the noise people were making was making my blood boil. Really a blast. Total damage for me was R500 which included for her and the club entrance (R100) and consumption. Can't beat the exchange rate now. It's awesome.

#Best times have been in Centro especially Club 13, Club 114 and 116, Urugiana 24 and 210. Brazil sites [URL]Gparena.net[/URL] and Forum X have been priceless with info. I just love those trash bars and have been stunned at how good some of the talent has been. 12 to 20 dollars for each score. Also had an unbelievable experience at Copa spa 583.10 in face and 9 in body but service about a 7 but I didn't care. That body and face is in the memory bank. I think her name was Isis. That cost me R150. Also had a great Barra Spa fuck. R200 for an hour but pure PSE.

# Renting an Airbnb from one of the owners of Mabs. So not a problem bringing back Garotas, but Mabs not really my thing and have only done this twice. Each time R200 for about an hour and a half. Third world living but only $450 dollars a month. Only issue is Nossa Senora noise. I make travel plans and Airbnb reservations only about 1 month out which keeps me pretty flexible.

# Have not met one single American. Very different from last visits. Food is really pretty good. Hard to get spicy food as I am into spicy. Love fish market in Niteroi. Select anything you can imagine and take it upstairs. Find the fattest cook and let her prepare it for you with some sides. Really cheap for seafood.

# Big Futeball fan and have got my tickets in Maracana for the Copa America Cup which starts June 14 across Brazil.

# Got my first Brazilian wax job. Was kinda of erotic. Funny thing, my hair had a lot of grey in it when I arrived but did a little coloring to lighten it up and make me look a little younger. Before I did that I couldn't get any DFK from garotas but since then DFK has been off the charts. Especially in the swing club last night.

# One more month in Rio and then traveling to Sao Paulo for 2 weeks. Flying to Buenos Aires for a month and then back to Sao Paulo, Rio and Fortaleza. Only thing planned so far is flight to Buenos Aires. Everything else is up in the air. Probably book my Sao Paulo Airbnb this week. Scheduled to leave Brazil in mid October.

Loving my stay so far. Haven't really used whatsapp too much. I like to meet different girls all of the time so not really looking for a girlfriend. Still have many more adventures to go as I have many more targets (maybe a Terma and possibly accomphantes escort) and a few more experiments planned. Can't wait to get to Sao Paulo.

Rioheart.

[QUOTE=RioHeart;2329549]Picked her up at Mab's and we went to 2 a2 swing club in Botafogo. I picked a good one as she was all over girls all night and that led to 2 blowjobs from different girls for me. She was 28 with big tits and attracted a lot of attention. She was even giving blowjobs to other dudes. Sooo many hot chicks in that place. Dark room upstairs was one massive orgy. Couldn't see shit but a lot of groping going on and the noise people were making was making my blood boil. Really a blast. Total damage for me was R500 which included for her and the club entrance (R100) and consumption. Can't beat the exchange rate now. It's awesome.

#Best times have been in Centro especially Club 13, Club 114 and 116, Urugiana 24 and 210.[/QUOTE]Hey RioHeart,

Fellow American here. I'm really glad to hear that you are having the time of your life in Rio. That swing club experience sounds amazing. What were the ages of the girls in that swing club? Do you still have the address?

Yes I agree, there are quite a few diamonds in a rough in those trash Centro clubs. I had an amazing GFE session with a girl named Rafaela in Club 119 on Rua Alfandega, 119. Absolutely amazing DFK and BBBJ. You should definitely go there and find her. She's super friendly and nice.

I'm not familiar with with Club 114 and 116. Can you give me the address to them?

Also have you been to 4 x 4 yet, if not, you have to go. They have absolutely the best looking girls in all of Centro. A 30 minute session + entrada is R330 which is less than the R500 you spend. You can spend all night in there, do a 30 minute session with the girl of your choice then go back down and hang around, chit chat with the girls for some more free flirting, kissing and groping. There are quite a few girls who speak good English at 4 x 4.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2329672]Hey RioHeart,

Fellow American here. I'm really glad to hear that you are having the time of your life in Rio. That swing club experience sounds amazing. What were the ages of the girls in that swing club? Do you still have the address?

Yes I agree, there are quite a few diamonds in a rough in those trash Centro clubs. I had an amazing GFE session with a girl named Rafaela in Club 119 on Rua Alfandega, 119. Absolutely amazing DFK and BBBJ. You should definitely go there and find her. She's super friendly and nice.

I'm not familiar with with Club 114 and 116. Can you give me the address to them?

Also have you been to 4 x 4 yet, if not, you have to go. They have absolutely the best looking girls in all of Centro. A 30 minute session + entrada is R330 which is less than the R500 you spend. You can spend all night in there, do a 30 minute session with the girl of your choice then go back down and hang around, chit chat with the girls for some more free flirting, kissing and groping. There are quite a few girls who speak good English at 4 x 4.[/QUOTE]Nice to see some new blood here especially nice to see the giving back by posting reports.

2 a2 has a website (in English).

[URL]https://www.2a2.com.br/en/[/URL]

Be sure to sign up for their newsletter and click on Home (upper right) to see the full Portuguese language site.

That swing club experience sounds amazing. What were the ages of the girls in that swing club? Do you still have the address?

2 a 2 are. Visconde de Caravelas, 176 - Botafogo.

There were about 50 to 60 couples with the majority 25 to 40 yrs old. There were only a few younger and a few older. My girl said the best nights are Wednesday and Friday and if they have a live band on Saturdays. She told me that Mistura Certa Clube (R. Vinte de Abril, 9 - Centro) swing club is better. It was because of my girl I had the experience I did. She was really into dancing and showing off those amazing tits on the club dance floor downstairs. Once we got upstairs me and her were getting groped by all kinds of chicks. After awhile we locked ourselves in a 'private' room and she told me were not leaving until I give her an orgasm with my tongue. What I didn't notice was all the glory holes in our room and then all the people watching us until we were dressing to leave. There was one lady with her hand through the hole beckoning us but I was too tired by then.

I'm not familiar with with Club 114 and 116. Can you give me the address to them?

I was in Club 119 and I think I saw your Rafaella but she was really busy with a group of guys.

Club 114 is Rua the Conceio 114 in Centro. There's also Rua the Conceio 116 right next door.

Not all of those trash places are advisable.

I'd stay away from Club 115 next to 113 and also Club 3 and 04 on are. Leandro Martins. Wuhh pretty scary chicks.

I won't go to Vila Mimosa and especially alone. I have been there before but I just feel safer in Centro.

I've been so tempted to pick up one of the Avenue Atlantic street walkers who are flagging down cars but I know it's a very bad idea. Saw one that was really interesting the other night but never talked to her because I don't trust myself sometimes.

Also have you been to 4 x 4 yet.

Last time I was in 4 x 4 was I think in 2004? I've always had a great time in there but the price keeps me from being a regular since I know I can have just as much fun for far cheaper. But I like to treat myself every once an awhile and the facilities are a little better than Uragiuana 24. So I do plan to make an appearance. I used to go to Luomo in Copa all the time. Miss that place.

I have planned my retirement for awhile now. I am down to a 5 x 20 storage unit and a mail service to assist me. For some reason Latina girls really like me and I really like them. I'm always appreciative and never disrespectful. Love all of the different body types in South America. I do know I won't be going back to the USA pussy prison any time soon. Getting laid about once every 3 days is just right for me. I may make a pilgrimage to South East Asia but it will be much later in my travels and just as much about Asian food as it is the girls.

Rioheart.

[QUOTE=RioHeart;2329906]2 a 2 are. Visconde de Caravelas, 176 - Botafogo.

Club 114 is Rua the Conceio 114 in Centro. There's also Rua the Conceio 116 right next door.

I won't go to Vila Mimosa and especially alone. I have been there before but I just feel safer in Centro.

I've been so tempted to pick up one of the Avenue Atlantic street walkers who are flagging down cars but I know it's a very bad idea. Saw one that was really interesting the other night but never talked to her because I don't trust myself sometimes.

Last time I was in 4 x 4 was I think in 2004? I've always had a great time in there but the price keeps me from being a regular since I know I can have just as much fun for far cheaper. But I like to treat myself every once an awhile and the facilities are a little better than Uragiuana 24. So I do plan to make an appearance. I used to go to Luomo in Copa all the time. Miss that place.
[/QUOTE]Never been to a swing club and I don't know how I feel about it but I do want to experience it at least once. Shoutout to Exec Talent for providing the website link.

I'll be adding Club 114 and 116 onto my list of places to visit. I went to Uruguiana 210, Rua Alfandega 119, and Praca Olavo Bilac, 13 last night but being a Saturday night they were all pretty much dead. The few ones that were present were old hardcore pros.

VM itself is actually very safe. I have been there as late as 11 pm by myself. The dangerous part is getting to and from VM. If you go right before or a little after dark, its still pretty safe to take the public bus. But if you go there, say at 9 pm or later, its better to take uber. That's just my opinion from my limited experiences of VM.

The last time I banged a girl in Copacabana was back when HELP was still open. I still remember one night a 40 some year old lady approached me as I was walking along Avenida Atlantica. She had on a long coat which she opened up and I saw she had lingerie underneath. It was quite funny. But yes, you are right to be cautious. You can never be too cautious in Brazil.

I used to do the same like you, mostly go to the cheaper 2nd tier and trash boates and only once in a while go to 4 x 4 to treat myself. But now I have completely changed my mindset. I no longer care about money as much as I used to. I am still frugal with everything else in life but when it comes to women and sex, I don't really care how much I spend now as long as I feel satisfied at the end of each day. I only get to live once.

I've been to southeast Asia quite a few times and each time I go I'd hope I would find a girl that would change my mind. I love visiting southeast Asia. I was in Cambodia recently staying mostly in hostels and I met some really cool people from all over the world. France, Belgium, Canada, UK, and of course the US. But the Asian girls just don't do it for me. I'm not nearly as attracted to them as Latina girls. And don't even get me started on how much more better the Brasileiras are in bed compared to Asian girls.

[QUOTE=RioHeart;2329906]I won't go to Vila Mimosa and especially alone. I have been there before but I just feel safer in Centro.

I've been so tempted to pick up one of the Avenue Atlantic street walkers who are flagging down cars but I know it's a very bad idea. Saw one that was really interesting the other night but never talked to her because I don't trust myself sometimes.[/QUOTE]Great reports dude. VM is my spot. I always thought the chicks on Av Atlantica was a bad idea, but since I now know a couple of chicks that work there should I feel different? Maybe it is because I am used to seeing chicks I have no desire to fuck along with some transvestites that turn me off from the idea. This is a picture of a chick that I posted about a couple of months back. I used to fuck her 15 years ago from Meia Pataca/Help, and recently ran into her working Av At. She looks much better on this picture from her whatsapp than she did the night I ran into her. She is like 37 now.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2330099]

VM itself is actually very safe. I have been there as late as 11 pm by myself. The dangerous part is getting to and from VM. If you go right before or a little after dark, its still pretty safe to take the public bus. But if you go there, say at 9 pm or later, its better to take uber. That's just my opinion from my limited experiences of VM.

[/QUOTE]I go to VM practically every week.

I've been out there at times till 4 am, LOL.

I know many of the girls there, the Tias, and taxi guys.

I Uber in and Taxi out, no problem.

The taxi guys there are cool.

One of them's wife runs a little bar at VM that has nice, air conditioned rooms, with clean sheets.

I almost always take the girls there.

Fun!

VM, however, definitely not for everyone!

[QUOTE=Balboa;2330578]I go to VM practically every week.[/QUOTE]I guess that means you live in Rio?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2330314]Great reports dude. VM is my spot. I always thought the chicks on Av Atlantica was a bad idea, but since I now know a couple of chicks that work there should I feel different? Maybe it is because I am used to seeing chicks I have no desire to fuck along with some transvestites that turn me off from the idea. This is a picture of a chick that I posted about a couple of months back. I used to fuck her 15 years ago from Meia Pataca/Help, and recently ran into her working Av At. She looks much better on this picture from her whatsapp than she did the night I ran into her. She is like 37 now.[/QUOTE]I think I remember her from the Help days when she was in her early 20's. She used to dress slutty and hung around with her crew of few other girls. It sad how these ex-Help ladies passed their prime. I bet all the Help / TA ladies are in their late 30's or 40 by now. Their shelf life is only about 15 years and there is no retirement benefit package. Only really smart girls are able to understand this phenomena and try to save as much money as they can during their prime youthful years so it can support them financially once the looks and youth fades out. I bet she got teenage kids by now. I saw a documentary where pornstars made a lot of money during their prime but end up broke at the age of 40 and started working on a minimum wage.

[QUOTE=Jubby007;2330815]I think I remember her from the Help days when she was in her early 20's. She used to dress slutty and hung around with her crew of few other girls. It sad how these ex-Help ladies passed their prime. I bet all the Help / TA ladies are in their late 30's or 40 by now. Their shelf life is only about 15 years and there is no retirement benefit package. Only really smart girls are able to understand this phenomena and try to save as much money as they can during their prime youthful years so it can support them financially once the looks and youth fades out. I bet she got teenage kids by now. I saw a documentary where pornstars made a lot of money during their prime but end up broke at the age of 40 and started working on a minimum wage.[/QUOTE]Its incredible how many mongers married these women after their 10-15 year careers in the Hoe triangle. A few years ago, it seemed like every other month, another help girl was getting married to a Chicago police officer and moving to the states. I can't tell you how many former girls I have in my whatsapp that are married and living in the states. (About 90% of the ones I know were still living the same copa lifestyle. Either they danced in a strip club, became escorts or would make side money by calling up former clients and fucking them for money while their husbands are at work).

Only once in a blue moon do I see former Hoe Triangle girls still working in Copa, very rare. Hell, at the end if the day, they can always go back to the favela and marry a brazilian.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2330611]I guess that means you live in Rio?[/QUOTE]If I am not wrong, he lives in Brazil and Colombia.

Visited about 6 months ago, about 6 times in total.

They had about 6 girls available and about 10 girls total.

All girls dress in white, mostly colorful thongs underneath. All are shaved and very pretty.

Tried Bia, Bianca, Dana, Violet, etc.

The place is easy to find, and the reception is sympathetic.

Recommend!

[QUOTE=Balboa;2330578]I go to VM practically every week.
VM, however, definitely not for everyone![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2330314]VM is my spot.[/QUOTE]Who could resist a good deal.

[QUOTE=FadeDead;2331073]All girls dress in white, mostly colorful thongs underneath. All are shaved and very pretty.
The place is easy to find, and the reception is sympathetic.

Recommend![/QUOTE]I think I have finally been to most of the casas in Centro and now am making my way down to zona sul and barra. I visited COPA 583 for the first time 2 days ago. Not a bad place. They actually have a nice room where all clients go to to wait for the presentation (like the clinicas in sao paulo). The selection of girls are decent, mostly 6-7, and they all seem very professional. COPA 583 reminds me of Bel Prazer for some reason. I have a hunch that they are owned by the same owner. The white tops and leggings are nice and give the casa a more professional look. But I personally prefer no dress code. I love seeing girls in their individual underwear and lingerie. I even got surprised by a couple girls who decided to go topless. LOL.

I also recommend this place. The overall experience didn't feel rushed and the receptionist wasn't pushy at all.

Hi everyone,

Just wondered if any of you regulars speak very little Portuguese or none at all? If so do you still enjoy Rio?

Really want to try Rio in September but worried about the language barrier.

Been to Colombia and whilst I did enjoy it, I found language barrier frustrating. I didn't find it too much of a problem with the girls, because I only like ST and used Google translate but had trouble everywhere else. For example I found it difficult trying to communicate with the cleaner and getting my laundry done etc but mainly whilst ordering food in restaurants as unfortunately I'm a very picky eater.

Do many of the restaurants in the tourist spots have staff who speak English. I'd love to learn Portuguese but I'm hopeless at picking up languages.

Thanks for any advice, really appreciated.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2331224]Hi everyone,

Just wondered if any of you regulars speak very little Portuguese or none at all? If so do you still enjoy Rio?

Really want to try Rio in September but worried about the language barrier.

Been to Colombia and whilst I did enjoy it, I found language barrier frustrating. I didn't find it too much of a problem with the girls, because I only like ST and used Google translate but had trouble everywhere else. For example I found it difficult trying to communicate with the cleaner and getting my laundry done etc but mainly whilst ordering food in restaurants as unfortunately I'm a very picky eater.

Do many of the restaurants in the tourist spots have staff who speak English. I'd love to learn Portuguese but I'm hopeless at picking up languages.

Thanks for any advice, really appreciated.[/QUOTE]One my few visits to Brazil, I spoke very little Portuguese. I hired a driver and translator and made my way around that way. Next, I hired a Brazilian driver who spoke only Portuguese since by this time I knew the basics. I enjoy Brazil more now that I am fluent and don't have those sad moments when you at dinner with a beautiful woman and you can't even talk with her. But, I still enjoyed Brazil when I did not speak Portuguese, so go for it.

My advice about the restaurants is to use Google and Bing to translate your preferences and print them out for the waiters and staff. The translators have gotten very good, especially with simple terms. A long time ago, I met a beautiful French Canadian on a beach in Florida and told her to stay put while I ran to the bookstore and bought a French-English dictionary. She thought it was sweet. Hotels have English speakers, sometimes the restaurants also. Do not expect anyone else to speak English other than receptionists at the terma.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2331224]Hi everyone, Just wondered if any of you regulars speak very little Portuguese or none at all? If so do you still enjoy Rio? I'm a very picky eater. Do many of the restaurants in the tourist spots have staff who speak English. [/QUOTE]When I first came to Rio in 2001, I didn't speak any Portuguese, (but I do now,) and I had no issues in communicating. The restaurants will have someone who can speak enough English, some even have menus in English. You'll get a rough idea even if it's lost in translation. At smaller places, may not. There are Rio regulars, who have been coming here for years and Still do Not speak Portuguese. BTW, Any chica you run into, that speaks English, will be a Hardened Pro unfortunately. I think, Being a Picky eater may be More of a problem for you. But there are McD's, BK, Outback and other US based food joints to keep your belly full. Safe travels.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2331224]Do many of the restaurants in the tourist spots have staff who speak English. I'd love to learn Portuguese but I'm hopeless at picking up languages.[/QUOTE]The question of language is a little over-analyzed here. Smartphones make life easier abroad. As I recently posted in the SP thread, global travelers should pick up a language book or visit some language websites for an hour or two. In the Brazil category here, there is thread devoted to sexual and other words and phrases.

As far as food, Copacabana and Ipanema are world class tourist destinations. You can literally find any food you desire. Menus are usually in both Portuguese and English near the beach. If you are one of those eaters that has to have everything prepared a certain way, you're probably fucked. But hey, that's why you're in Rio.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2331159]I visited COPA 583 for the first time 2 days ago. Not a bad place. They actually have a nice room where all clients go to to wait for the presentation (like the clinicas in sao paulo). The selection of girls are decent, mostly 6-7, and they all seem very professional. COPA 583 reminds me of Bel Prazer for some reason. I have a hunch that they are owned by the same owner. The white tops and leggings are nice and give the casa a more professional look. But I personally prefer no dress code. I love seeing girls in their individual underwear and lingerie. I even got surprised by a couple girls who decided to go topless. LOL. I also recommend this place. The overall experience didn't feel rushed and the receptionist wasn't pushy at all.[/QUOTE]The website leaves little doubt as to what's on the menu. LOL You can hit them up on Whatsapp too.

[URL]https://www.copa583.com.br/copia-t-e-r-a-p-e-u-t-a-s?lightbox=dataItem-jw2hoy1i[/URL]

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2331434]When I first came to Rio in 2001, I didn't speak any Portuguese, (but I do now,)... Any chica you run into,[/QUOTE]What is a chica?

[QUOTE=ExecTalent;2331388]One my few visits to Brazil, I spoke very little Portuguese. I hired a driver and translator and made my way around that way. Next, I hired a Brazilian driver who spoke only Portuguese since by this time I knew the basics. I enjoy Brazil more now that I am fluent and don't have those sad moments when you at dinner with a beautiful woman and you can't even talk with her. But, I still enjoyed Brazil when I did not speak Portuguese, so go for it.

My advice about the restaurants is to use Google and Bing to translate your preferences and print them out for the waiters and staff. The translators have gotten very good, especially with simple terms. A long time ago, I met a beautiful French Canadian on a beach in Florida and told her to stay put while I ran to the bookstore and bought a French-English dictionary. She thought it was sweet. Hotels have English speakers, sometimes the restaurants also. Do not expect anyone else to speak English other than receptionists at the terma.[/QUOTE]That's good advice, cheers. Google translate is a life saver for people like me, Uber too.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2331434]When I first came to Rio in 2001, I didn't speak any Portuguese, (but I do now,) and I had no issues in communicating. The restaurants will have someone who can speak enough English, some even have menus in English. You'll get a rough idea even if it's lost in translation. At smaller places, may not. There are Rio regulars, who have been coming here for years and Still do Not speak Portuguese. BTW, Any chica you run into, that speaks English, will be a Hardened Pro unfortunately. I think, Being a Picky eater may be More of a problem for you. But there are McD's, BK, Outback and other US based food joints to keep your belly full. Safe travels.[/QUOTE]That's brilliant thanks, if I do enjoy Brazil I will try to learn Portuguese, no point now as I may not want to return. I will learn basic phrases though.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2331462]The question of language is a little over-analyzed here. Smartphones make life easier abroad. As I recently posted in the SP thread, global travelers should pick up a language book or visit some language websites for an hour or two. In the Brazil category here, there is thread devoted to sexual and other words and phrases.

As far as food, Copacabana and Ipanema are world class tourist destinations. You can literally find any food you desire. Menus are usually in both Portuguese and English near the beach. If you are one of those eaters that has to have everything prepared a certain way, you're probably fucked. But hey, that's why you're in Rio.[/QUOTE]Great advice, thanks. Going to book up as soon as I can get the holidays sorted at work.

I don't need things prepared, I just like my food mostly plain, my stomach reacts badly to spices and most sauces.

I might book a condo, then worst case scenario, I can cook my meals.

Thanks for everyone who helped, Ill post some reports when I come back.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2331531]What is a chica?[/QUOTE]You know what this word means Mr Enternational. Is it exactly a Brazilian-Portuguese word? No, but Brasilians know what it means.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2331650]I don't need things prepared, I just like my food mostly plain, my stomach reacts badly to spices and most sauces. I might book a condo, then worst case scenario, I can cook my meals.[/QUOTE]To get a taste of Brazilian food, go eat at a Brazilian restaurant, if there's one in your city. They're all you can eat steakhouses, with buffets. You won't get a big hunk of meat. The waiters come around and give you slices of the grilled meat. I personally don't find Brazilian food overly spicy. Sauces?? They don't even make gravy for the mashed potatoes. Smh.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2331650]Great advice, thanks. Going to book up as soon as I can get the holidays sorted at work.

I don't need things prepared, I just like my food mostly plain, my stomach reacts badly to spices and most sauces.

I might book a condo, then worst case scenario, I can cook my meals.

Thanks for everyone who helped, Ill post some reports when I come back.[/QUOTE]Anyone who has problems with eating out in Rio must be very very picky.

Went to 4 x 4 last night and it was packed with girls, about 2:1 girls to guys ratio. Someone mentioned in a previous post that he was disappointed with the talent level at 4 x 4. I have to totally disagree with him and I am a very picky person. There were 6-7 8's and 3 9's and one absolute 10. I approached a couple of the 8's, one of the 9's, and the 10. All were flirty and eager to get me upstairs. Except for the 10, who didn't really care. I could of just told her straight up that I wanted to fuck her and she would've probably went with me but the session would've been mediocre at best. I rather have GFE and passionate sex with a 7 than a mediocre session with a 9 or a 10. It was hard to resist pulling anyone of them. But I had promised a girl I met earlier that I would see her. Her name is Maiara, 25 why / o and she is a solid 8 in looks. She has perfect pearl white teeth and a gorgeous smile. Jet black hair that goes down to her back. All natural body. She's uber nice, easy going, very educated and polite. She's in law school and her English is very good. We had a great convo talking mainly about her private life and her future plans. She is very smart and is definitely different from most of the other 4 x 4 girls. She's a complete GFE in bed. You treat her nice and with respect and she will definitely reward you in the bed.

I totally recommend her!

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2331846]To get a taste of Brazilian food, go eat at a Brazilian restaurant, if there's one in your city. They're all you can eat steakhouses, with buffets. You won't get a big hunk of meat. The waiters come around and give you slices of the grilled meat. I personally don't find Brazilian food overly spicy. Sauces?? They don't even make gravy for the mashed potatoes. Smh.[/QUOTE]The closest one is a few hours away, my brothers been and said it was amazing though. Will have to get there before I go.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2332027]Went to 4 x 4 last night and it was packed with girls, about 2:1 girls to guys ratio. Someone mentioned in a previous post that he was disappointed with the talent level at 4 x 4. I have to totally disagree with him and I am a very picky person. There were 6-7 8's and 3 9's and one absolute 10. I approached a couple of the 8's, one of the 9's, and the 10.[/QUOTE]DC, can you report on the tattoo situation at 4 x 4 for this old man?

I'm okay with a couple small, discreet tattoos, but I'm turned off by arm / leg sleeves and tattoos across the chest and / or back.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2332180]DC, can you report on the tattoo situation at 4 x 4 for this old man?

I'm okay with a couple small, discreet tattoos, but I'm turned off by arm / leg sleeves and tattoos across the chest and / or back.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I didn't see any girls with full arm / leg inks. There were a couple with big visible tats on their bodies. But most had little to no ink.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2332180]DC, can you report on the tattoo situation at 4 x 4 for this old man?

I'm okay with a couple small, discreet tattoos, but I'm turned off by arm / leg sleeves and tattoos across the chest and / or back.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Tats on a garota were somewhat of a negative a few years ago for me, by but not as much now. That being said, from my experience, of the many Termas I have been to throughout the years, for whatever reason, 4 x4 has had the highest percentage of garotas with tats (Loaded with tats). However, there are still many to choose from that have a small quantity or no tats at all at 4 x4.

Enjoy!

[QUOTE=Mangera;2332512]Tats on a garota were somewhat of a negative a few years ago for me, by but not as much now. That being said, from my experience, of the many Termas I have been to throughout the years, for whatever reason, 4 x4 has had the highest percentage of garotas with tats (Loaded with tats). However, there are still many to choose from that have a small quantity or no tats at all at 4 x4.

Enjoy![/QUOTE]Many people get tats to stand out, to show they are different. As more and more people get them, my bet is that they will be valued less and we will see fewer people getting them.

When everyone started putting colored ribbons on their luggage so they could easily identify them on the carousel, mine remained bare. Excuse me, that is mine right there. The one with nothing tied to the handle.

I found interesting that so many questions in the Brazil discussions should have belonged to the tripadvisor instead wasting resources here.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2331224]Hi everyone,

Just wondered if any of you regulars speak very little Portuguese or none at all? If so do you still enjoy Rio?

Really want to try Rio in September but worried about the language barrier.

Been to Colombia and whilst I did enjoy it, I found language barrier frustrating. I didn't find it too much of a problem with the girls, because I only like ST and used Google translate but had trouble everywhere else. For example I found it difficult trying to communicate with the cleaner and getting my laundry done etc but mainly whilst ordering food in restaurants as unfortunately I'm a very picky eater.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=JThomas1357;2332664]I found interesting that so many questions in the Brazil discussions should have belonged to the tripadvisor instead wasting resources here.[/QUOTE]Tripadvisor lacks a Mongering viewpoint. This is also an International Travel info, (guide,) site.

[QUOTE=JThomas1357;2332664]I found interesting that so many questions in the Brazil discussions should have belonged to the tripadvisor instead wasting resources here.[/QUOTE]I am really good at charming women and exceptional at bedding them. I really do know how the pieces fit together. What I often lack is knowledge of how to get from point A to point be in the best manner. When I went to Bangkok a member had taken the time to detail the best way to get to the airport. I read a lot of posts, but that was the most valuable. The other day here someone mentioned the train. Brazilians I know avoid it and say it is too dangerous, particularly for women. However, that post promoted me to take another look. From an esteemed member of this forum I found out about checking air fare prices in Brazil and using a proxy so it appears that you are a in Brazil. Also, that you can pay over time. I could go on and on, but would rather just say a big thank you to those who take the time to share your experiences instead of reminiscing about Help or comparing Brazil to other countries. Now, that is worthless.

[QUOTE=JThomas1357;2332664]I found interesting that so many questions in the Brazil discussions should have belonged to the tripadvisor instead wasting resources here.[/QUOTE]Trip Advisor is full of people that have made the journey the same way you hope to do. ISG is full of people that have made the journey 1000 times and in many cases live in the places that you are going. So where do you think you will get the best all-around information from? I live in Thailand and just recently someone posted about a company running a 6 month cell phone data plan for $60. What are the chances of having found out about that on TA? The info outside of mongering that I have gotten here and from guys that I have met here has many times literally shaped and changed my life.

Is it just me or does it seems that Spa's and Prives are more desperate for business lately.

Barra the Tijuca.

Spa? Ave. Armando Lombardi 800 Room 330 Right next to Metro Jardim Oceanico R200 Hour 3:30 pm.

When I tried to find this place all I had was the address with no room number. In the lobby there was nothing on the lobby signage for a massage parlor. While I'm standing there looking confused a security guard came over to ask me if I need help. Told him I am looking for massagem. He smiled and said Sala 330. So I step up to the lobby desk and they said I have to have a passport or Brazil ID to enter. WTF? I carry a laminated colored copy of my passport with me and she said that would be fine but first they need to wand me. So the security guard wands me and she enters all my information into her computer. Enter 330 and they put me in a nice room for the presentation. I swore to myself I was going to remember all the names this time. First girl comes in and she is a solid 7 with big tits. Instead of the cheek kiss and name she grabs both of my hands and puts them on her tits and tells me her name which I immediately forgot. That's a first. After about 6 other girls (all 6 and 7's maybe one 8) I was about ready to choose the 3rd girl but couldn't get the first girl out of my mind. So I selected the first girl (Cris) 23 yrs old. Room was really big with queen size mat on the floor, many mirrors, and a sex chair. Shower and ready to go. She comes strutting in the room asks me if I want some water and then proceeds to whip out 3 condoms and throws them on the bed with the sluttiest smile and look. After a pretty good massage that involved more body than hands massage it was pure wall to wall sex. Did notice that the door bell did not ring the whole time I was there. Seems that the lobby security has to hurt business.

Ave. Rio Branco 185 Sala 1722 R160 Hour 2 pm.

Entered the room for the presentation. First girl walks in. Dirty blond hair naturals (6) with sexy teddy on. Again, instead of the cheek kiss and name she grabs me around the neck and lifts one leg around my body to press me close and gives me a huge DFK. Didn't want to let go while rubbing me all over. Another first for me. 32 yrs old but looks younger. Body is slim with a real nice ass. 2 other girls and they were all really about the same in looks and body type. I almost walked but I couldn't resist the first girl's passionate kiss. Shower and ready to go. She walks in and there is no attempt at massage. Just pure PSE. Little room with bad massage table but mirrors in good position. Surprised I lasted 30 minutes and very exhausted. Again did not hear the door bell ring while I was there.

I have been to many 'presentations' before but never have had anything but the kiss on the cheek. Each girl sold me with their enthusiasm and I was glad I bought as each experience was really worth it.

Rioheart.

[QUOTE=RioHeart;2333445]
Barra de Tijuca.
Spa? Ave. Armando Lombardi 800 Room 330 Right next to Metro Jardim Oceanico R200 Hour 3:30 pm. [/QUOTE]Nice report Rioheart, thanks. The name of the spa is Euro Rio Spa [URL]http://www.clinicaeuroriospa.com.br/index.php/equipe[/URL].

Free entry from 3 pm in T65.

Every Tuesday, You get two beers for the price of one.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2334256]Free entry from 3 pm in T65.

Every Tuesday, You get two beers for the price of one.[/QUOTE]
Uncorrect.
Mondays are Dose Dupla, two beers for the price of one.
Tuesdays are Prazer em Dobro which means take 2 girls and pay for 1.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2334291]Uncorrect.
Mondays are Dose Dupla, two beers for the price of one.
Tuesdays are Prazer em Dobro which means take 2 girls and pay for 1.[/QUOTE]That is the best Uncorrect" news I have heard. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Mangera;2334316]That is the best Uncorrect" news I have heard. Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, it was incorrect to write "uncorrect". The correct should be "incorrect".
Anyway, 2 p*ssies for the price of 1 seems like a good deal.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2334291]Uncorrect.
Mondays are Dose Dupla, two beers for the price of one.
Tuesdays are Prazer em Dobro which means take 2 girls and pay for 1.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the correction, I got the picture from whatsapp I thought it was two beers for the price of two. Now I know it's more interesting to go to T65 tuesdays. I will try it next week. I haven't been to T65 for 3 weeks. It changed. It was too beautiful to believe you take 2 girls and pay for 1. It's a good discount. I got the message from Menezes, he confirmed.

Entry is free from 3 pm, Menezes told me, there is still PRAZER EM DOBRO today. (Two girls for the price of one.)

[QUOTE=Sperto;2334355]Sorry, it was incorrect to write "uncorrect". The correct should be "incorrect".
Anyway, 2 p*ssies for the price of 1 seems like a good deal.[/QUOTE]No need to be sorry. Incorrect or Uncorrect, doesn't matter. All that matters is that 2 gals for the price of 1 sounds like a great deal (4 boobies and 2 snatches) Thanks again.

How long does it take to get around the City. Lets say Copa to Centro? I know it depends on time of day, so say mid day early afternoon.

I am thinking of trying Brazil and see that there are clubs / action in Centro but I think for my first visit staying in Copa or Ipanenma might be the best. I do see Copa 583 is in Copa so that is easy.

I will read the friendlly forum.

[QUOTE=Jbj64;2336033]How long does it take to get around the City. Lets say Copa to Centro? I know it depends on time of day, so say mid day early afternoon.

I am thinking of trying Brazil and see that there are clubs / action in Centro but I think for my first visit staying in Copa or Ipanenma might be the best. I do see Copa 583 is in Copa so that is easy.

I will read the friendlly forum.[/QUOTE]By subway from Copabana to centro 20 minutes, by taxi, it depends on the traffick. There are more cars in the day especially in the afternoon or early in the morning. Subway is very good in Rio de Janeiro. Copa583 is ok, they have good rooms, their rooms are very big but the girl quality is ok. I would say so so but sometimes you may find some stunners. I am more into termas and it's more relaxed. If you go to 583, always negociate the service before going to the room. Everybody is different, just try everything and stick to the kind of brothel you prefer.

[QUOTE=Jbj64;2336033]How long does it take to get around the City. Lets say Copa to Centro? I know it depends on time of day, so say mid day early afternoon.

I am thinking of trying Brazil and see that there are clubs / action in Centro but I think for my first visit staying in Copa or Ipanenma might be the best. I do see Copa 583 is in Copa so that is easy.

I will read the friendly forum.[/QUOTE]You are right. It all depends on time of day, whether you take a taxi, metro, bus or uber. Literally 20 minutes in Metro, not including walking to and from Metro station. Metro can be a pain in the ass during rush hour in am or pm. Taxi is great because it will always take you to the front door, which comes in handy when its raining or hot weather. Bus, you need to make sure you take the right one, and get dropped off on the right location.

Take baby steps, and figure out what's best for you. Good luck.

Just a reminder to all of you in Brazil land. Tomorrow (June 20) is Corpus Christi holiday in Brazil and almost all businesses will be closed, especially banks. Friday is a mix mash of open and closed businesses. This is usually like a 4 day holiday. Not sure how this affects Prives and Termas. Maybe some one out there knows.

Meanwhile in other news.

USA citizens no longer need a visa to visit Brazil! Yippeee.

[URL]https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-news/americans-exempt-from-brazil-tourist-visa-requirements[/URL]

Even more other news.

Had to try something different. I usually like my women lighter skinned with a slimmer figure and the bigger the tits the better. But after awhile you just have to venture out a little. That's what is so great about Rio. So many options. So I took a chance with Iza at Rio Branco 185 Sala 1308. R150 per hour.

[URL]https://espacoterapias.com.br/terapeutas/iza-dany/[/URL]

I had to see if that smile was genuine. She is just like the photo's, a little wider in the hips than I usually go for, but I swear I have hit the jackpot so many times on this trip. This garota was really wild in bed and got lucky she wasn't busy when I visited. She's got a lot of great reviews. I went around noon so that helped. When she walked into the room she gave me that big smile and a big Que Bom (How nice)! Oh the memories I will have from this trip!

Rioheart.

[QUOTE=RioHeart;2337249]Just a reminder to all of you in Brazil land. Tomorrow (June 20) is Corpus Christi holiday in Brazil and almost all businesses will be closed, especially banks. Friday is a mix mash of open and closed businesses. This is usually like a 4 day holiday. Not sure how this affects Prives and Termas. Maybe some one out there knows.

Meanwhile in other news.

USA citizens no longer need a visa to visit Brazil! Yippeee.

[URL]https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-news/americans-exempt-from-brazil-tourist-visa-requirements[/URL]

Even more other news..[/QUOTE]Can't really speak for Rio, but all the major locations in Sao Paulo will be closed for 6/20-21.

Perhaps we need a new thread for Rio de Janerio Travels instead of posting unrelated "Reports" topics.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2333218]Trip Advisor is full of people that have made the journey the same way you hope to do. ISG is full of people that have made the journey 1000 times and in many cases live in the places that you are going. So where do you think you will get the best all-around information from? I live in Thailand and just recently someone posted about a company running a 6 month cell phone data plan for $60. What are the chances of having found out about that on TA? The info outside of mongering that I have gotten here and from guys that I have met here has many times literally shaped and changed my life.[/QUOTE]

If on a Tuesday I want a taxi from Copa to T65 what do I tell the Taxi driver. If I just say T65 will he know were to go?

[QUOTE=Hotrod10;2339183]If on a Tuesday I want a taxi from Copa to T65 what do I tell the Taxi driver. If I just say T65 will he know were to go?[/QUOTE]Give the driver the address: are. Do Rosário, 65, Centro. Easier and probably cheaper using the Uber app. Uber knows it as Whikeria 65.

I'm about halfway through my research for my upcoming trip back to Rio. I try to read the last 50 pages on this site before each trip. I've read all of these post before but most pages seem new. And you didn't think a bad memory was useful. I found many posts about problems with taxi drivers. I have never experienced this scam here in Rio (well I don't think I have) but in Buenos Aires a common taxi scam Is for a unscrupulous taxi driver to take a color photo of a, lets say a 50 are note then make a small tear in the side and place in his lap. So as you pay him he looks at the 50 r note and study it and drops the note you gave him picks up the forgery and says I'm sorry sir this has a small tear in it so I can't except it. You apologize and trade for a different note. This is so common in Argentina that some locals say they always note the last 2 digits of the bill they give the driver. In all my travels most of my problems have been with taxi drivers. With that said many of my best and most memorable experiences have been with taxi drivers. I'm not going to bore you with any of my experiences but one of my best happen about 10-12 years ago and I reported on the Wasa Poland thread.

I keep reading were members think its terrible to carry cash in Rio or any foreign country. Personally, I have had so many problems in Brazil trying to use my visa debit card that I now carry cash to Rio then to my room and hopefully to a safe. From my previous trip I always arrive with about R2000. This will get me to my apartment and get me through a few days before I need to get to a cambio. I normally carry about 1500 r when I'm out and about. I don't carry my wallet or passport but I do always wear a t shirt that has a pocket. I put the balk of my money in my t shirt pocket then loose small bills in my shirt pocket. I'm sure there are many ways to protect your money but this works for me. Before my bank Visa was such a problem I would just bring my left over cash and plan on replenishing my walk around cash every few days from an ATM. Things change and you must adapt.

I am returning to Rio in 3 days. I have written about this issue before but here is an update. My last 3 trips to Rio was a fiscal nightmare. I notified my bank of my travel plans to Brazil and I thought all was well. When In Brazil each of those three times my Visa cards didn't work. On trip 1-2 when I returned my bank said we're sorry but Visa screwed up this shouldn't of happened. After trip 3 when I ran out of money and returned 3 days early, I was furious. After the better part of a day on the phone with a nice lady from my bank she said I found the problem, Visa and Am Ex have placed Visa on a no use list. The normal procedure we use to advise Visa that a customer is traveling to Brazil no longer works. My bank must now call Visa and tell them that I am a good customer and I have been advised of the problems using my credit card in Brazil and that I will not use my card for everyday purchases but on bank ATMs then use cash for purchases. I understand the problem Visa is having with the corruption in Brazil but their banks and customers should be informed. So what do you think.

[QUOTE=Hotrod10;2340681]I am returning to Rio in 3 days. I have written about this issue before but here is an update. My last 3 trips to Rio was a fiscal nightmare. I notified my bank of my travel plans to Brazil and I thought all was well. When In Brazil each of those three times my Visa cards didn't work. On trip 1-2 when I returned my bank said we're sorry but Visa screwed up this shouldn't of happened. After trip 3 when I ran out of money and returned 3 days early, I was furious. After the better part of a day on the phone with a nice lady from my bank she said I found the problem, Visa and Am Ex have placed Visa on a no use list. The normal procedure we use to advise Visa that a customer is traveling to Brazil no longer works. My bank must now call Visa and tell them that I am a good customer and I have been advised of the problems using my credit card in Brazil and that I will not use my card for everyday purchases but on bank ATMs then use cash for purchases. I understand the problem Visa is having with the corruption in Brazil but their banks and customers should be informed. So what do you think.[/QUOTE]Who's your bank? I've no issues with my Schwab debit card, and Aspiration Debit card (ATM's only,) nor with my Capital One Visa Credit card. If I withdrawn too much, say R$4000, from an ATM, Schwab will block the card, and I have to call them to get the block removed. From past experience, Visa and the Bank will blame each other for any issues. Smh.

[QUOTE=Hotrod10;2340681]My last 3 trips to Rio was a fiscal nightmare. I notified my bank of my travel plans to Brazil and I thought all was well. When In Brazil each of those three times my Visa cards didn't work.[/QUOTE]Change banks. It seems your bank sucks.

I am on my way to the place I will probably, eventually move, Rio. I am not ready yet. I still have family obligations at home but it will not be long. I have thought about buying a condo but that would be a little complicated. I haven't done much research but I'm told by a few expats that they regret buying over leasing. Like I said I have done zero research but for sure when I'm ready to make the move I will spend lot of time checking it out. Comments from local expats would be welcome.

Tonight I finished my research for my trip that begins in 2 days. My first stop will be at t65. Thanks for the address.

Larry David will you be in Rio 7-02 to 7-14. PM me and if you are lets meet somewhere for a beer.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2340904]Who's your bank? I've no issues with my Schwab debit card, and Aspiration Debit card (ATM's only,) nor with my Capital One Visa Credit card. If I withdrawn too much, say R$4000, from an ATM, Schwab will block the card, and I have to call them to get the block removed. From past experience, Visa and the Bank will blame each other for any issues. Smh.[/QUOTE]Better bring cash, it's more practical.

ABG.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2341140]Better bring cash, it's more practical. ABG.[/QUOTE]Not practical for me, I'm Always traveling. I'll stay somewhere for at least a month then move on to another country. Less time I spend in the US, the better.

[QUOTE=Hotrod10;2341052]I am on my way to the place I will probably, eventually move, Rio. I am not ready yet. I still have family obligations at home but it will not be long. I have thought about buying a condo but that would be a little complicated. I haven't done much research but I'm told by a few expats that they regret buying over leasing. [/QUOTE]I have a buddy that has been down there ever since I can remember. Back in the day he bought places to rent out. Now the only reason that he is still there is because he can not get all his money out from selling the places he owned.

When you rent you can pick up and walk out at anytime and you have someone to fix shit that breaks. When you buy, you could be creating a headache for yourself. Also, buying is a young person's game. If you are over 60 then do you really want to be buying shit? A joy of being older is that you no longer have shit that ties you down, e.g. wife, kids, mortgage, job.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2341292]I have a buddy that has been down there ever since I can remember. Back in the day he bought places to rent out. Now the only reason that he is still there is because he can not get all his money out from selling the places he owned.

When you rent you can pick up and walk out at anytime and you have someone to fix shit that breaks. When you buy, you could be creating a headache for yourself. Also, buying is a young person's game. If you are over 60 then do you really want to be buying shit? A joy of being older is that you no longer have shit that ties you down, e.g. wife, kids, mortgage, job.[/QUOTE]Couldn't agree with you more.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;2341292]I have a buddy that has been down there ever since I can remember. Back in the day he bought places to rent out. Now the only reason that he is still there is because he can not get all his money out from selling the places he owned. [/QUOTE]
Amen.
I also have several friends whou bought apartments in Rio. They bought them when the real was low around 2003 (?). The first years renting out the apartments were good business. Today it's bad business and a lot of headache. However if they manage to sell the apartments today they will make a good profit. Personally I always prefered to rent apartments.

Remember, it requires some efforts not to be screwed when buying apartments. If you're not having the language skills or even know how to find the address of a terma I think you should consider twice before buying an apartment.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2341292]I have a buddy that has been down there ever since I can remember. Back in the day he bought places to rent out. Now the only reason that he is still there is because he can not get all his money out from selling the places he owned.

When you rent you can pick up and walk out at anytime and you have someone to fix shit that breaks. When you buy, you could be creating a headache for yourself. Also, buying is a young person's game. If you are over 60 then do you really want to be buying shit? A joy of being older is that you no longer have shit that ties you down, e.g. wife, kids, mortgage, job.[/QUOTE]I know a few people who sold during the economic boom. Right after brasil was chosen to host the Olympics, the price of real estate went thru the roof, almost all of my friends sold their places for BIGGGGG profits!! Brasilians were responsible for the economic real estate boom in Miami, many sold their apartments for millions and then bought beach front condos in Miami while the economy was still recovering in America.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2341311]Amen.I also have several friends whou bought apartments in Rio. They bought them when the real was low around 2003 (?). The first years renting out the apartments were good business. Today it's bad business and a lot of headache. However if they manage to sell the apartments today they will make a good profit. Personally I always prefered to rent apartments.

Remember, it requires some efforts not to be screwed when buying apartments. If you're not having the language skills or even know how to find the address of a terma I think you should consider twice before buying an apartment.[/QUOTE]I agree with your remarks. Even if you are fluent in Portuguese the chances of being conned are endless. If someone is serious about buying then I suggest they contract an honest local lawyer (not so straightforward) and get to know a good realtor. Then familiarise yourself with Brazilian law. Your lawyer should find out if there are any unpaid charges on the property (eg: condominium fees) because when you buy you inherit all debts on the property.

I have heard horror stories over the years such as locals selling apartments they never actually owned with the help of dodgy lawyers. It is so much easier to rent. To buy overseas real estate you really need to know what you are doing.

TERMAS 21 - RUA Buenos Aires, 21.

150 reais: 30 minutes. The rooms are the same size as the rooms in 4 by4. There is a shower and with air conditioner.

The terma is smaller than 4 by4 , Cancun and T65.

There were 12 girls when I went last week.

502 is busier and busier, many girls, good atmosphere.

I sessioned with Andreia. (uncovered blow job, deep french kiss, vaginal sex with condom).

150 reais: 30 minutes in a simple room.

Consumption: I spent 55 reais.

Tourists in Copacabana might getting robbed not only by brazilian vagabundos but also by colombians.
[URL]https://noticias.r7.com/rio-de-janeiro/cidade-alerta-rj/videos/oitos-colombianos-sao-presos-por-brigas-na-orla-de-copacabana-rj-04072019[/URL]
[URL]https://g1.globo.com/rj/rio-de-janeiro/noticia/2019/07/04/turistas-colombianos-sao-suspeitos-de-roubo-na-orla-de-copacabana.ghtml[/URL]

I think this the is second time I had this situation. Last time some girl who had man voice in Montecarlo. I end up having sex with her and now in London I paid £100 per hour after she took the dress off. Voice too manly and I could tell tell there is surgery happen which hided his dick. I asked are you 100 % female to which I get the response boys re coming. She was 5 10 tall. Now I don't understand why boys getting surgeries to act like to woman so we can fuck them as woman. New way to make money. I accepted my loss and said good bye and met my Hungarian but this episode is happening everywhere to my friend in Russia too. I think it happened to me in Montecarlo once where a man did surgery and met me as woman. Did this happen to anyone else. I am a lawyer in UK.

[QUOTE=NamasteParis;2343317]I don't really understand the relevance of being a lawyer in UK in this post. Anyway.
It happened to me few years ago in London with this beauty. I realized only at sleeping time.
Who would think this is a trans?[/QUOTE]
Forum rules:
"No Discussion about Homosexuals, Transvestites, Transsexuals or She-Males: Please do not post any messages anywhere on this site that refers to Homosexuals, Transvestites, Transsexuals or She-Males. This website is about sex between men who were always men and women who were always women. Any person violating this policy will banned immediately. "

[QUOTE=Sperto;2343323]Forum rules:
"No Discussion about Homosexuals, Transvestites, Transsexuals or She-Males: Please do not post any messages anywhere on this site that refers to Homosexuals, Transvestites, Transsexuals or She-Males. This website is about sex between men who were always men and women who were always women. Any person violating this policy will banned immediately. "[/QUOTE]Not exactly 100% true. There is a thread in the Thailand part of the forum focused on how to spot these types of people. Given their numbers in Thailand, I think that's a good exception. How do you spot and avoid!

[QUOTE=Sperto;2343323]Forum rules:
"No Discussion about Homosexuals, Transvestites, Transsexuals or She-Males: Please do not post any messages anywhere on this site that refers to Homosexuals, Transvestites, Transsexuals or She-Males. This website is about sex between men who were always men and women who were always women. Any person violating this policy will banned immediately. "[/QUOTE]Oups sorry! No offense or disregard in my post though. Subject is closed then. If the moderator wants to delete my post, please do so.

[QUOTE=Jubby007;2343252] I am a lawyer in UK.[/QUOTE]I am a doctor, I am more hated than a lawyer.

[QUOTE=NamasteParis;2343317]I don't really understand the relevance of being a lawyer in UK in this post. Anyway.

It happened to me few years ago in London with this beauty. I realized only at sleeping time.

Who would think this is a trans?[/QUOTE]Being a lawyer won't help you to know female and male anatomy unless you want to sue transexuals becuase you were lied and screwed Loool. Start studying medicine and you will never have trouble recognizing transexuals LOOL. Most important thing (don't be drunk) In Brazil, some women are believed to be and look like transexuals but they are not, because they take some pills. You can't judge a book by its cover. The only way to recognize is being sober, being in a place that only employs women and knowing the male and female anatomy. Because even women that take pils, they still have their female anatomy, even men that take pills and had a surgery, they still have their male anatomy.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2343380]Uhh. Anybody who took a look at the damn fotos! You guys need to get it together not being able to tell a man from a woman. This is ridiculous. That mf got more muscles than Arnold in his prime and broader shoulders than Mike Tyson. Did I mention that big ass head sitting atop those shoulders? And if nothing else, all that fake ass hair on top of his head should have given you some kind of a clue. Seriously, Ray Charles could see that is a man and he is both blind and dead.

P. S. Rsrsrs. He called a dude a beauty![/QUOTE]In Brazil, many women have a lot of muscles and are as athletic as Arnold, they are still women. I also love Atletic women. You can't judge a book by its cover. You spent too much time in Thailand.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2343516]In Brazil, many women have a lot of muscles and are as athletic as Arnold, they are still women. I also love Atletic women. You can't judge a book by its cover. You spent too much time in Thailand.[/QUOTE]So you think that guy actually looks like a female? When I said muscles, I was saying it tongue-in-cheek. What I am really saying is that males and females have different physiques and different builds. To me, there is nothing about the body structure or facial structure of that person that would remotely suggest to me that it was a female. (Females do not have square shoulders, square jaws, or bird chests with implants as the guy in the pictures.).

Try covering up the head and just looking at the body and tell me that is the body of a female. Then cover up the body and look at the head and tell me that is the head of a female. Would you ever confuse a man with a woman because of the muscle tone? I doubt it. I used to date a chick that has won bodybuilding contests and there was nothing about her that reminded me of a male. Same as there is nothing about those pictures posted that reminds me of a female! I have a hard time believing people are really thinking these mfs look like women. Maybe it is a gift that only I have, because the shit is pretty obvious to me.

If you really don't see it then start telling the people that you are meeting to send you some normal pictures of when they first wake up in the morning. Just a regular plain ass picture. There is not one dude on the planet that is going to wake up looking like a woman. Maybe guys are seeing scantily clad humans with makeup on and their dick just automatically starts telling them it is a female; when if you look just a little bit without your horniness doing the thinking, you should see that it is not.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2343528]So you think that guy actually looks like a female? When I said muscles, I was saying it tongue-in-cheek. What I am really saying is that males and females have different physiques and different builds. To me, there is nothing about the body structure or facial structure of that person that would remotely suggest to me that it was a female. (Females do not have square shoulders, square jaws, or bird chests with implants as the guy in the pictures.).

Try covering up the head and just looking at the body and tell me that is the body of a female. Then cover up the body and look at the head and tell me that is the head of a female. Would you ever confuse a man with a woman because of the muscle tone? I doubt it. I used to date a chick that has won bodybuilding contests and there was nothing about her that reminded me of a male. Same as there is nothing about those pictures posted that reminds me of a female! I have a hard time believing people are really thinking these mfs look like women. Maybe it is a gift that only I have, because the shit is pretty obvious to me.

If you really don't see it then start telling the people that you are meeting to send you some normal pictures of when they first wake up in the morning. Just a regular plain ass picture. There is not one dude on the planet that is going to wake up looking like a woman. Maybe guys are seeing scantily clad humans with makeup on and their dick just automatically starts telling them it is a female; when if you look just a little bit without your horniness doing the thinking, you should see that it is not.[/QUOTE]I diagnosed many women, men and transexuals, I know the difference. What I know you can't say if it's a transexual or woman from a picture. Many women look like transexuals in Brazil because they take some pills to practise sport or wants to stop having babies. I diagnosed women with larger shoulders. Not all men have large shoulders. There are many other ways to recognize transexuals. There are short women like tall women. The only way to recognize transexuals is from inside and not from outside. The anatomy inside the man is way different from the anatomy inside the woman. Outside is often misleading because of the fucking technology. Pills change the outside appearance but not the anatomy. If you say you can recognize all transexuals just by looking at them, I can't believe you.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2343533] If you say you can recognize all transexuals just by looking at them, I can't believe you.[/QUOTE]You don't want to believe but you know it as well. They look like MMA fighters or BJJ black belts.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2343362]I am a doctor, I am more hated than a lawyer.[/QUOTE]Big difference Doc. You stick your finger up a person's ass. Lawyers like to fuck people in the ass.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2343533]The only way to recognize transexuals is from inside and not from outside.[/QUOTE]Maybe the money that you spent on medical school would have better served you at an optician. I don't know shit about medicine, but I can definitely see. Even blind people can tell a male or female by feeling the structure of their face and body.

Men are faster and stronger than women because their body structure is different. There is no pill or surgery that can change that. Even the thinnest woman has some kind of hips. You are never going to get hips out of a dude a la in the pictures.

If there was no difference how would they be able to tell what was a male and what was a female when they only find a skull? "Generally, male skulls are heavier... There are also key differences in the appearance of the forehead, eyes and jaw, between men and women that are used to determine the sex of a skull." As in the big forehead and square jaw of the dude in question.

When you tell me that you can not tell the difference between these two skeletons and their outlines (one of a male, and one of a female) then I will know you are full of shit. Some guys just want to act like they are fooled.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2343620]Maybe the money that you spent on medical school would have better served you at an optician. I don't know shit about medicine, but I can definitely see. Even blind people can tell a male or female by feeling the structure of their face and body.

Men are faster and stronger than women because their body structure is different. There is no pill or surgery that can change that. Even the thinnest woman has some kind of hips. You are never going to get hips out of a dude a la in the pictures.

If there was no difference how would they be able to tell what was a male and what was a female when they only find a skull? "Generally, male skulls are heavier... There are also key differences in the appearance of the forehead, eyes and jaw, between men and women that are used to determine the sex of a skull." As in the big forehead and square jaw of the dude in question.

When you tell me that you can not tell the difference between these two skeletons and their outlines (one of a male, and one of a female) then I will know you are full of shit. Some guys just want to act like they are fooled.[/QUOTE]I think you did not understand my post. You are superboy, you have special eyes. You can weigh brain just by looking at it and you can look through the body. Transexuals will always be men because they have male anatomy, I never said pills will change male anatomy.. You just show a picture on fucking google. I have been working in the medical field. Bones is inside the body. Transexuals are men and easy to recognize them but not from a fucking picture or just by looking at them. I was not lucky to have superman as father. Be happy for your gift and say thanks to your father. You can also fly, you are now in Thailand. Read my post again.
End of conversation. Lets move on to topics about Rio de Janeiro.

Heard that mab restaurant has a lot of garotas?

What else to choose and select to get near hotel?

I'm in Rio for two three nights.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2343638]I think you did not understand my post. You are superboy, you have special eyes. You can weigh brain just by looking at it and you can look through the body. Transexuals will always be men because they have male anatomy, I never said pills will change male anatomy.. You just show a picture on fucking google. I have been working in the medical field. Bones is inside the body. Transexuals are men and easy to recognize them but not from a fucking picture or just by looking at them.[/QUOTE]Yes bones are inside of the body. But the outside of the body conforms to the bones and how they are structured, unless the person is deformed. All it takes is eyes to see that these mfs are dudes. There is no special machinery or internal examination required as you are asserting. With 99% of transgender people, if you are claiming that you were fooled, it is only because you wanted to be fooled. Maybe some of you guys only need to invest in a simple pair of glasses.

All I can say is that some of the people here I have seen with some skanky born that way women that most TVs looks would put to shame.

Maybe some of these guys were fooled or allowed themselves to be fooled but there is absolutely no excuse (other than a free place to stay in a run-down favela shack) for bedding incredibly ugly women.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2343657]Yes bones are inside of the body. But the outside of the body conforms to the bones and how they are structured, unless the person is deformed. All it takes is eyes to see that these mfs are dudes. There is no special machinery or internal examination required as you are asserting. With 99% of transgender people, if you are claiming that you were fooled, it is only because you wanted to be fooled. Maybe some of you guys only need to invest in a simple pair of glasses.[/QUOTE]Good to know. Mr superboy, say Hi to Superman from me.

I'm really surprised that all the smart people here have never heard about the difference of the carrying angle of the elbow between men and women. In most cases it is really easy to tell if a person is a male or a woman. No need to look inside. The elbow can't be operated to change the carrying angle.

Even if the article says the male carrying angle is 5-15 degrees and female carrying angle over 15 degrees, in most cases the difference is very noticeable. Just hold your or her arm with palms facing forward, like in the first picture, and check. The male arm looks almost straight and the female arm is bent.

[URL]https://www.quora.com/Why-are-womens-forearm-more-twisted-as-compared-to-men[/URL]

[QUOTE=FunnyLoverBoy;2343636]I like her, I'm in Rio, where is she? I'm neither a lawyer nor a doctor.[/QUOTE]London, as specified in the post. Mixed race.
Maybe it's time now to come back to some Rio topics...

The topic is.

Does anyone know that if you session at 4 by 4 twice and arrive early that they waive your admission fee when you leave the club (they used to do this)? Also, any inexpensive hotel recommendations by anyone? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Junior;2343968]The topic is.[/QUOTE]Excellent idea!!

Obrigadooooooo!!

Last Tuesday as promised 1 checked out 65 for the first time. I at about 1 pm and they were closed. I kept fooling with the door trying to open it and a vender next door held up 3 fingers. I asked are you saying they open at 3 pm and he nodded yes. We had a short conversation and he said 1 street over then to the left to 4--4 was another place with girls. I checked it out. The entrance was like a small cave after a long walk back then up two floors mamason asked what I wanted. I started to say, how about a loaf of bread and a pound of ham I mean why would I be at a brothel. It was so hot then throw in the 2 flights of steep stairs, I was dripping wet I'm thinking the room was probably just as hot so I left. I did get a portion of the price, 170 are for 30 min. Total waste of time.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2344097]Excellent idea!!

Obrigadooooooo!![/QUOTE]Come on!! Is anybody fucking in Rio?

Every time I go to Rio de Janeiro I choose escorts at Riosexsite. It's an escort site from there, one of the best. Last time out with Danny. What a spectacular woman. The Brazilians really give a show. I try to repeat for sure but for now I leave my indication.

Phone and photos of her.

[URL]https://www.riosexsite.com/escort/DannyDantas[/URL]

Last night I pulled a real jewel out of MABS. Her name Claudine, 24 years old no babies. Fact is I took her as a last resort. MABS is under some sort of reconstruction, the outside area is all torn up and has poor lighting. She didn't look that good until I got her to my apartment in bed naked. Just my type of all natural tits. In negotiations she asked for 400 r I said no I only pay 150 r She said OK I will take 300 r now understand all of our communications is thru google translate. She speaks zero English. That makes it tough, but she did accept 150 r, she didn't watch the clock and did everything I asked. She loves to snuggle.

I'm getting bored so I was thinking about a day trip to VM. This will be my first time there. Any suggestions for a good place to have a few beers and just watch the street scene. I'm not that concerned about it being a tough area. After all I've had a good life.

[QUOTE=NamasteParis;2343317]I don't really understand the relevance of being a lawyer in UK in this post. Anyway.

It happened to me few years ago in London with this beauty. I realized only at sleeping time.

Who would think this is a trans?[/QUOTE]What I am trying to say is that now bored ass Gay guys are getting cheap sex change surgery done in place like Thailand and pose as female escorts. I had an experience where I met someone who had so much manly voice and had fake boob job and I can tell that something was done to his / her genitals. I end up going thru with it as I was a bit having a good party in the boite. Now for the second time, I met someone who posed as a female a 5 10" make who had sex change operation and his voice was male. I asked him after I paid him £100 for the hour. Can you take the cloths off? And later I witness that the genitals were forced back with some surgery and fake breasts. His voice was manly and he was posing as a female escort after getting a sex change operating. I left after 10 minutes without touching this man. Now my worry is that all these bored men who are thinking of getting a sex change operating in order to pose as a female to attract more customers. I don't know if anyone encounter this issue yet but it seems like its getting bigger.

[QUOTE=Jubby007;2344842]What I am trying to say is that now bored ass Gay guys are getting cheap sex change surgery done in place like Thailand and pose as female escorts. er.[/QUOTE]Pretty sure this topic moved to General thread.

[QUOTE=Hotrod10;2344753]I'm getting bored so I was thinking about a day trip to VM. This will be my first time there. Any suggestions for a good place to have a few beers and just watch the street scene. I'm not that concerned about it being a tough area. After all I've had a good life.[/QUOTE]I guess you just need to go to see for yourself to understand. The area is not even 50 meters long and there are no names, so there is nowhere to suggest. You can walk around the whole place in about 3 minutes.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;2345068]I guess you just need to go to see for yourself to understand. The area is not even 50 meters long and there are no names, so there is nowhere to suggest. You can walk around the whole place in about 3 minutes.[/QUOTE]
Although many bars have names it's much easier to orientate in VM using the numbers of the casas/bars. The best bars for watching the VM scene are the bars facing the street at the entrance of the U-alley.

[QUOTE=DiegoCarvalho;2344365]Every time I go to Rio de Janeiro I choose escorts at Riosexsite. It's an escort site from there, one of the best. Last time out with Danny. What a spectacular woman. The Brazilians really give a show. I try to repeat for sure but for now I leave my indication.

Phone and photos of her.

[URL]https://www.riosexsite.com/escort/DannyDantas[/URL][/QUOTE]What was the damage? How was she spectacular?

[QUOTE=Amerioca;2345101]What was the damage? How was she spectacular?[/QUOTE]And How long did she stay?

Today I did it. I made a trip around 1 pm to VM. After some research on this site and on google I was not totally surprised by what I saw but it still was a shock. I grabbed a beer at one of the small bars across from the pool hall. Four or five real trashy girls in side but none really bothered me just a few winks and smiles actually these gals looked tough. I felt safe. I'm not going to go over what I observed. If you have been there you already know what I saw if you haven't all I can say is its an experience everyone needs to see at least once. My taxi driver on the way back said VM isn't as dangerous as most people think. He said if you don't pay your bar bill or don't pay the girl what was agreed to its very dangerous but if you stay somewhat sober and pay what you owe you shouldn't have a problem. I may go back.

After my adventure to VM and a short nap and dinner at about 1030 I stopped at MABS for a look see. I only had a few sips from my beer when I spotted a real young blond with a face and body of at least 7.5 Name Vanessa, 24 years old, 1 kid and she had that look of please someone f* me I'm in heat. We negotiated and she started out at 400 r I said no I don't pay that much and being the shrewd negotiator she was she dropped it to 200 r I said I only pay 150 r. She said OK but we must leave now. Either she was trying to show some control over the negotiations or more than likely she wanted to get back in time to score again. Once in bed naked she did have a little sag around her belly, probably from child birth but over all she is a knockout. She was so good I did something I seldom do. I gave her a tip.

Went to Centaurus this weekend. Had about 10 girls nothing above a 6 or 7 if I'm being nice. Found the girls to be very aggressive when me and my friend left without going upstairs for a session. Thought 900 RS for an hour to be a high quote for 1 and 1700 for two girls. I also like to chill a while before choosing a girl they just through them at you.

[QUOTE=Amerioca;2345101]What was the damage? How was she spectacular?[/QUOTE]She is sweet, affectionate and without limits. He does oral sex very wet, and a perfect anal. It did not keep time, it was all natural. And he has a lovely little face too. I paid $ 100 / HR. For me it was worth it.

[QUOTE=DiegoCarvalho;2347599]She is sweet, affectionate and without limits. He does oral sex very wet, and a perfect anal. It did not keep time, it was all natural. And he has a lovely little face too. I paid $ 100 / HR. For me it was worth it.[/QUOTE]Sincerely hope this was a translation or auto-correct feature issue.

I'm home now in the midwest. My return flights were exhausting. It took me a full day and 4 flights to get home. AA has pulled some large, normally international aircraft back to USA to use domestically to make up for the 737-8 that they no longer can use. I can't blame AA, I'm just glad to get home.

I sent a report earlier on a damsel name Vanessa and the report was for the most part good. On my last night in RIO I stopped at MABS for one last conquest. In my mind I was willing to spent a little more than usual for a great last night. It was cold that night and few chicas to choose from. Most were 5 or less. Then out of nowhere I spotted Vanesa. Holy crap my last night is going to be memorable. I motioned her to my table. She says oh yea I remember you. I said would you like to spend an hour with me at my apartment. She said lets go. So we get to my apartment and before we discuss the terms of this encounter we are both naked and in bed. That's when I motioned for a blow job. She said sure but I need pay first and its 400 r for the hour. I said but sweetie don't you remember me and the last time we dated. OK so my last night in RIO did not end well. If you run across Vanessa enjoy your first encounter but don't look forward to the next.

[QUOTE=GiuseppeBonera;2347289]Went to Centaurus this weekend. Had about 10 girls nothing above a 6 or 7 if I'm being nice. Found the girls to be very aggressive when me and my friend left without going upstairs for a session. Thought 900 RS for an hour to be a high quote for 1 and 1700 for two girls. I also like to chill a while before choosing a girl they just through them at you.[/QUOTE]Solarium is way better than centaurus. The girl quality is better. I stopped going to Centaurus. The quality is no more like before.

[QUOTE=Hotrod10;2341052]I am on my way to the place I will probably, eventually move, Rio. I am not ready yet. I still have family obligations at home but it will not be long. I have thought about buying a condo but that would be a little complicated. I haven't done much research but I'm told by a few expats that they regret buying over leasing. Like I said I have done zero research but for sure when I'm ready to make the move I will spend lot of time checking it out. Comments from local expats would be welcome.

Tonight I finished my research for my trip that begins in 2 days. My first stop will be at t65. Thanks for the address.

Larry David will you be in Rio 7-02 to 7-14. PM me and if you are lets meet somewhere for a beer.[/QUOTE]Buying property is no different from any other investment. There are risk involved. If you're not Brazilian and you're buying property you are effectively betting on their currency and their market in general. Holding Brazilian Reais or any asset denominated in reais has obviously been a losing trade if you got in when the currency was like 2-2. 5 to 1 USD. Anyone who purchased property there not knowing that there was currency risk doesn't know what they're doing.

Went to Centaurus last night. I was looking fir a chocolate girl named Rebecca. She wasn't there. I think the place is great for those who are basically looking for white girls because they have tons of them. I myself like more of the caramel complextion ones with big PHAT natural asses. Centaurus doesn't have a lot of them. I found one though. Her name is Juju or zju zju. Very pretty girl. Nice phat ass. She looks a lot like the stripper Maliah Michel (google her). Anyway, Juju was an ok fuck. Not terrible but def not amazing. She couldn't really take dick the way I wanted to give it which is annoying, but whatever. After I got the first one off I knew that I wasn't going to be able to get a second off in time so I put her on what I call dick and ball patrol for the rest of the session where she just sucks me off and my balls non stop until I have to leave. I'm can tell a lot of guys are not really putting these girls to work because she was slightly surprised when I had her on dick and ball patrol for 20+ minutes. Centaurus is pricey so I only go there on occasion when I'm told there is a girl there I'd like.

[QUOTE=Mongmann;2349108]Went to Centaurus last night. I was looking fir a chocolate girl named Rebecca. She wasn't there. I think the place is great for those who are basically looking for white girls because they have tons of them. I myself like more of the caramel complextion ones with big PHAT natural asses. Centaurus doesn't have a lot of them. I found one though. Her name is Juju or zju zju. Very pretty girl. Nice phat ass. She looks a lot like the stripper Maliah Michel (google her). Anyway, Juju was an ok fuck. Not terrible but def not amazing. She couldn't really take dick the way I wanted to give it which is annoying, but whatever. After I got the first one off I knew that I wasn't going to be able to get a second off in time so I put her on what I call dick and ball patrol for the rest of the session where she just sucks me off and my balls non stop until I have to leave. I'm can tell a lot of guys are not really putting these girls to work because she was slightly surprised when I had her on dick and ball patrol for 20+ minutes. Centaurus is pricey so I only go there on occasion when I'm told there is a girl there I'd like.[/QUOTE]I noticed this pattern on my last 3 trips to 4 X4. After you nut, the girls jumps up, showers and starts getting dressed to go back to the boate. When I politely remind them that I still have 25 minutes on the clock, you can tell that they are surprised and not pleased that they are expected to keep working until the phone rings. It got so bad, that I have to bring up it in discussions before I head up to the room, its part of the interview process now.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2349187]I noticed this pattern on my last 3 trips to 4 X4. After you nut, the girls jumps up, showers and starts getting dressed to go back to the boate. When I politely remind them that I still have 25 minutes on the clock, you can tell that they are surprised and not pleased that they are expected to keep working until the phone rings. It got so bad, that I have to bring up it in discussions before I head up to the room, its part of the interview process now.[/QUOTE]Yeah it annoying. I nip that in the bud by using the stop watch function on my phone in the room. I make sure it's very visible so there's no confusion. They know when they see that not to play games.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2349187]I noticed this pattern on my last 3 trips to 4 X4. After you nut, the girls jumps up, showers and starts getting dressed to go back to the boate. When I politely remind them that I still have 25 minutes on the clock, you can tell that they are surprised and not pleased that they are expected to keep working until the phone rings. It got so bad, that I have to bring up it in discussions before I head up to the room, its part of the interview process now.[/QUOTE]One day I had that problem. 30 minutes later, the girl left the room without telling me. I did not pay for the session. The owner' son cancelled the payment for the session. Finally I fucked the girl for 30 minutes for free.

I am sure this gets asked often but I could use some help.

I will be in Rio for a week, plan to party a bit and submit reports afterwards. I don't know a word of Portuguese, can understand few words of Spanish.

How many working girls in Rio speak some English, enough for a little conversation during pounding? A few, very few or none?

Also is Rio mostly a casa place like Medellin or has a vibrant escorts / massage shops / pick up joints scene like in San Jose or Bangkok?

Thanks in advance for any pointers.

[QUOTE=Omigawd;2349527]I am sure this gets asked often but I could use some help.

I will be in Rio for a week, plan to party a bit and submit reports afterwards. I don't know a word of Portuguese, can understand few words of Spanish.

How many working girls in Rio speak some English, enough for a little conversation during pounding? A few, very few or none?

Also is Rio mostly a casa place like Medellin or has a vibrant escorts / massage shops / pick up joints scene like in San Jose or Bangkok?

Thanks in advance for any pointers.[/QUOTE]In my opinion there are a good amount of girls that speak some English, it's good for business and some of these girls travel and use English when travelling.

Rio has casas / massage and I myself enjoy the escort scene plus there are currently a limited amount of pick up joints like Dolce Vita and Mabs.

[QUOTE=RioBob;2349563]In my opinion there are a good amount of girls that speak some English, it's good for business and some of these girls travel and use English when travelling.

Rio has casas / massage and I myself enjoy the escort scene plus there are currently a limited amount of pick up joints like Dolce Vita and Mabs.[/QUOTE]Yes, I agree, in the tourist zone.

Mabs, Dolce Vita, etc and the Termas; you'll find some that speak some english, and a few that speak fairly well.

Once you leave that zone, however, very limited english speaking.

Definitely not conversational, with a very rare exception of course.

[QUOTE=Omigawd;2349527]I am sure this gets asked often but I could use some help.

I will be in Rio for a week, plan to party a bit and submit reports afterwards. I don't know a word of Portuguese, can understand few words of Spanish.

How many working girls in Rio speak some English, enough for a little conversation during pounding? A few, very few or none?

Also is Rio mostly a casa place like Medellin or has a vibrant escorts / massage shops / pick up joints scene like in San Jose or Bangkok?

Thanks in advance for any pointers.[/QUOTE]Most girls in termas don't speak English, You don't need to speak English to enjoy in Rio de Janeiro. To me, Rio de Janeiro is way better than Medellin, everybody has their opinion. There are many options. Mabs is a tourist trap, the girl quality is not really good, food quality is bad and service is very slow. As a Brazilian, I never go to Mabs at night.

Enjoy and try every type of brothel. Personally I prefer fucking girls in termas or picking up girls in regular clubs. Terma is very good for everybody, it's very safe, the girl quality is better, it's more relaxed. There are termas and clubs in Centro that are good or you can also try solarium and Monte Carlo in Zona Sul.

First time poster, not longtime lurker, but this forum was of great help for my first monger trip to Colombia last year and also my trip this year to Lima and Rio. Sorry for the long preview, but kinda using this to summarize my "career" in this and give some insight in case I'm not a standard case.

About me and my story:

28, well above average looking but not a model, very outgoing, but no Spanish or Portuguese. White, somewhat tan, groomed facial hair, decent haircut when I feel like it, hard working as a chef and now general manager, enjoy camping, archery, and salsa and bachata dancing. I've slept with between 90-110 girls in my life, with somewhere around 20-30 being professionals. I've dated Latinas most of my life and chemistry always seems natural, obviously even easier for when I choose to monger. For me mongering in general was never a consideration, until it was. No friends with experience besides one college roommate when we discovered bartering for he at a strip club in LA. But mongering as a whole, certainly not a full blown trip with mongering either as tie for first or second priority, was completely unknown or considered for me until three years ago. I've had more than plenty of success in my regular dating life, both with serious relationships and flings with 8's and 9's (being objective and saying I've probably never pulled a 10 without pay, but could be up for debate). Can't say for sure when something in my head just clicked, but found myself in San Diego for the first time alone and got recommended to try Hong Kong in Tijuana by a similar age guy with similar looks. I suppose being alone in a new place, I just decided to give it a shot without thinking too deeply into it. Well thank goodness I did.

Quick summary of my monger history:

2 nights Hong Kong in Tijuana.

8 girls, 1 repeat (even visited me in the USA a year later without paying for anything besides dates), and 1 threesome. Amazing time, I think I lucked out because I didn't get one dealfish, mechanical, or pushy girl. In fact, most of the girls made me felt like they wanted it regardless of the pay. Felt pretty sweet, but knew this was the easy setup and I did nothing outside of sleeping with women or naps in between. This was when I decided to research what was out there, hence finding this forum.

1 escort in Miami. I think I just got excited for planning my trip to Colombia. Great experience and hot chick, but 500 for an hour and looked at me funny when I went for a fourth position? Yea, never again paying for it in the US.

3 nights Cartagena, 5 nights Medellin, 1 night Guatape, 1 night Panama City-.

12 girls, 3 repeats, 1 was basically my GF for 4 full days and nights. This was the trip that really set it off for me. The perfect balance. Having an actual trip with tourism, activities, dancing, food, culture, and a whole lot of beautiful women. Did have my first poor experience right off the bat, but everything after that was incredible. Found the perfect formula for me personally was finding someone I had great chemistry with and asking them to tour guide me, made for an all around amazing experience. Several of the girls I would consider in my top 20 I've ever been with, but one in particular made the experience over the top including joining me to Guatape in the middle of my Medellin portion of the trip. Panama city was a cool fuckfest - 3 girls in 5 hours from Habanos, front desk looked at me like I was nuts haha.

4 nights Lima, directly before flying to Rio-.

4 girls (1 non pro), 1 repeat. Great time with all, but one average. This portion of the trip was purposely more for the actual vacation and adventure portion, but I definitely did well. Ended up meeting a local at a salsa club that stayed with me two nights and didn't feel the need to go for pros because she was amazing and I knew what was to come in Rio.

Sorry for all the above, but now for the Rio Report-.

6 nights Rio and 2 nights Ilha Grande-.

14 girls (1 non pro), 6 repeats, and 2 threesomes.

Locations and Ranked:

1. Monte Carlo x 2 - Iza and Juliana.

2. 4 x 4 x 2 - EMA and Yessica.

3. MABS x 5 (only ranked this high because I was staying 1 block away and pulled the single hottest girl there within 10 minutes. From what I read, I got lucky) - Cassia, Dayane, Yesi, Paola, and Tiffany.

4. Centaurus x 2 (ranked only on girls I chose would be much higher, but considering overall talent and price) Rebecca and Jennyfer.

5. Copa 583 - Paulina.

Independent (easily best looking, best personality, and top 3 sex of my life) - Bianka.

Sheesh, this is seriously the place to be. I have never had so much fun in my life between all the sightseeing, activities, socializing, live music, watching soccer, food and drink, learning to dance samba, and of course the women. Thank you to everyone for the information because without prior research I know I would've cut into my "tourist" time or found one location and gone there day and night. I feel like every move I made this trip was the right move. I was with women of different skin tones, pretty even split between hip hop video looks and spinners next door, who ranged from 8 to 11, no seriously 11.

More informative:

Monte Carlo. I want to say 800 reis per visit w / me getting 2 drinks, 1 drink for a girl, and a room for an hour. Amazing selection both times I went, had to actually choose instead of seeing the one obvious candidate. Both girls I took were personable, performed amazing, and repeated with both at my Airbnb for overnights. One of the repeats charged me for an hour and stayed the night just for morning sex and breakfast in the morning. I don't think she got many customers she liked well, and I made her cum 4 times the first time we had sex.

4 x 4 - 950 reis for the same as above. First night here with big expectations and I sat for an hour without liking anything I saw, then boom pops out EMA and we went to town. We ended up going to lunch another day, but I didn't realize she had to go straight to work after and was preoccupied to meet her again. Other girl Yessica was incredibly attractive, personable, and we had good chemistry in the bar. But for whatever reason my dick decided to take a breather and I only stayed hard for the first five minutes. Can't blame him, I had sex literally all night before and again that day three hours before. Had to happen sometime I guess.

MABS. Ranged 300-700. I can definitely see the "tourist trap" written on this, but I seemed to finesse it pretty well. It was on my block, so I only went when I felt the urge to cram another girl in my night. However, when the success from it kept coming, I kept going back. I stayed no more than 20 minutes max at a time, picked the girl I liked the best, and walked three minutes to do the deed at my airbnb. Only one girl I would say overcharged me (700 for overnight, she asked for 600 and I tipped because she swallowed without asking), but it was worth it to me personally. If I was much older, unattractive, bad in bed, or seemed nervous this place probably would've been much worse. Excellent spot for me if I got back from clubs or bars too late and didn't have success with a non pro, or if I got back from a termas and wanted to squeeze in another.

Centaurus - 1150 for 1 drink and an hour? I'm not sure I get the hype, other than the media fame. I felt the talent was mostly lacking in general, I had to beg the girls in there to let ME choose instead of them choosing me, and both times I went I felt I chose the only girl I would sleep with pay or no pay. Weird, but I did end up with two girls who were fantastic. I got two huge assed light skin black chicks that rocked my world. One of them I repeated literally an hour after we got done at the terms because we both knew this was worth an overnight. Including the session at Centaurus, we had sex 5 times that night. Jennifer was gorgeous and freaky, and probably was the second best of the trip because she looked like the best girl I could potentially get with without pay if I met at a salsa club. However, having not found these two girls, I would've been seriously disappointed.

Copa 583 -200 including tip. First time at a casa or any p4 p place that wasn't basically a club, cool experience, definitely the best value, and the girl I got with was great. Super convenient as it was directly between two non-sex activities I wanted to do and figured why not. The girl I chose was one of three I would've considered out of the nine or so I met, but still was one of the less attractive of the trip (still an 7 or 8). Performed great, amazing value, whole thing took an hour and a half, but wasn't exactly my kind of experience. If I hadn't been having sex 3-8 times a day for a week straight it might've seemed cooler, but overall just kinda got lost with all the other experiences I had. If cases are what you're looking for though, home run.

Independent. Bianka.

4000 reis for 72 hours, expensive, but I seriously would've paid double if she asked (Rate off her website would've been 9000 for the same time, but she offered less than half because of the trip and our chemistry off our first meet). This girl is probably one of my soulmates (if there's a few for everyone in the world).

Found her website from another blog, its been removed now for whatever reason.

This girl Bianka I met is probably the most incredible woman I've ever met in my life, after our first meeting we chatted on her balcony and knowing her 2 hours I asked her to join me to Ilha Grande. Best three days and two nights of my life, almost forgot I paid her in the first place. When we got back from Ilha Grande she even came to the airport to see me off, and regardless of the circumstances we met, it felt like leaving a girlfriends (we were both teary).

Pale skin (usually not my thing but worked for her), redhead, natural DD tits, fat ass, but what did it for me was the chemistry. Her and I basically fell in love (not "in love", but we said I love you and felt a step beyond bullshit cute talk) knowing each other for 72 hours total. We had similar taste in music, constantly singing and rapping at each other, liked to dance, both cooked well, and we just let it all out there the entire time together. Told her stories I don't tell close friends and her the same. I made her cry tears of laughter one moment after the first time we had sex. Sheesh I'll never forget those three days, best date I've ever been on. The sex in general was above average, but not incredible (I spent most of my trip going full blast, choking, fish hooking in the mouth, straight up demolishing the women who I could sense were into being rough). However, the second night on the island was just something out of this world, we had sex just once but it last for maybe two hours and was probably the best romantic sex I've ever had (not something I thought would happen as a transaction).

The kicker:

Obviously had the trip of a lifetime, both for the women and the tourism. Not going to report in full on everything I did, but I was non stop between the two. Only had a full night sleep once the whole trip and loved it. Buttttttttt, I get home to even crazier news. If all goes well, I will be a dad come February! Not something we had planned, she was on birth control, but something we are both incredibly excited about. She's from Nicaragua, absolutely gorgeous, been seeing her for a year and a half (officially my GF now), incredible personality, great chemistry with me, gets along with my family, and will be an excellent mother. Fortunately she is also hot as fuck: 5 foot, natural F cup, small but cute butt, beautiful face, amazing accent, and I've basically trained her to be whatever kind of **** I want, though we occasionally have "I love you" sex too. She's someone I seriously consider and hope to be my future life partner. Both of our first kids, but we are ready enough. Sure I would've waited a couple years ideally, but this is the way it will be.

And with that said: my "career" in mongering is done! Personally, I don't believe in cheating and hope I never do. What the future holds who knows, but I'm going into this thinking I'll never be with another woman again. Kinda scary as I'm a huge flirt and its maybe my favorite hobby, but this is most important and she's the perfect person to go through this with. Also, doesn't hurt the last new girl I was with was Bianka, certified hottest and best girl I've ever been with. I can retire at my peak, even though mentally the urge to continue might be there. The plan moving forward is to be an upstanding man, be good to my GF and hopefully future wife, and raise at least one beautiful child in an honest and loving home. Shit, least I got it in while I could.

Hope this was an interesting read, half using it as a way to just get it out of my system and move on. Feel a bit guilty about it, as she was pregnant without my knowledge during this trip, but I'm taking a good step forward and trying to do right.

Carry on for me please, I know I basically just figured this thing out before retiring early.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2349652]Most girls in termas don't speak English, You don't need to speak English to enjoy in Rio de Janeiro. To me, Rio de Janeiro is way better than Medellin, everybody has their opinion. There are many options. Mabs is a tourist trap, the girl quality is not really good, food quality is bad and service is very slow. As a Brazilian, I never go to Mabs at night.

Enjoy and try every type of brothel. Personally I prefer fucking girls in termas or picking up girls in regular clubs. Terma is very good for everybody, it's very safe, the girl quality is better, it's more relaxed. There are termas and clubs in Centro that are good or you can also try solarium and Monte Carlo in Zona Sul.[/QUOTE]Haha, well obviooooooously you do not like Mabs.

Your opinion, however, is very tainted.

You write as though only ugly girls are there, the food sucks, bad service, etc, etc.

That is all exaggerated.

For a newbie gringo that speaks no portugus, IMO, it would be fun for him.

There are definitely scags there, however, you will meet some cuties too.

I know.

I've seen them.

I've met them.

The staff that work there are generally very friendly, the food is not bad, not gourmet, but not bad, and the service is not bad either.

I could care less if a Brazilian guy goes there or not.

You obviously speak the language, know very well the city, the activities, etc, etc.

For a newbie gringo, Mabs, Doce Vita would be fun.

I went to Solarium with a friend last week.

Didn't like it.

Not one girl there Id consider.

Couldn't wait to leave.

Not my thing.

I went downtown, found much sweeter, sexier, younger, less traveled, definitely less costly girls.

I don't tell guys not to go, that it sucks, etc.

Just not my thing.

Like you, they may well love it.
To each their own.

[QUOTE=Omigawd;2349527]I am sure this gets asked often but I could use some help.

I will be in Rio for a week, plan to party a bit and submit reports afterwards. I don't know a word of Portuguese, can understand few words of Spanish.

How many working girls in Rio speak some English, enough for a little conversation during pounding? A few, very few or none?

Also is Rio mostly a casa place like Medellin or has a vibrant escorts / massage shops / pick up joints scene like in San Jose or Bangkok?

Thanks in advance for any pointers.[/QUOTE]You don't need any Portuguese in Rio dude. Stick with termas. The girls will know at Least some English. My personal pick would be 4 X 4. I had fun with Gabriella and Cindy. If I remember correctly they are closed on sat, so head to solarium in sat. If you like a girl then get her # for Sunday when everything is closed. At 2 am in the morning MABS food was mighty tasty after a few beers, but the working girls still weren't my cup of tea even after a few beers. My buddy loved MABS though. A couple of cuties will stroll in. I found one who gave an amazing GFE and spoke no English. You will be surprised how much freebies you will get. Be a gentleman and respectful. What starts as a one hour romp at your place could be much much more fulfilling, it's Rio and no one will love you like Rio chics!

Head to the beach, eat good food, meet the people, mongering aside, Rio is heaven on earth.

Have fun.

I'm home now (in USA) but I'm planning my next trip to RIO. I just read that in copa there is another club like MABS called Dolce Vita. Any comments from anyone.

[QUOTE=ChubzyMaximus;2349704]You don't need any Portuguese in Rio dude. Stick with termas. The girls will know at Least some English. My personal pick would be 4 X 4. I had fun with Gabriella and Cindy. If I remember correctly they are closed on sat, so head to solarium in sat. If you like a girl then get her # for Sunday when everything is closed. At 2 am in the morning MABS food was mighty tasty after a few beers, but the working girls still weren't my cup of tea even after a few beers. My buddy loved MABS though. A couple of cuties will stroll in. I found one who gave an amazing GFE and spoke no English. You will be surprised how much freebies you will get. Be a gentleman and respectful. What starts as a one hour romp at your place could be much much more fulfilling, it's Rio and no one will love you like Rio chics!

Head to the beach, eat good food, meet the people, mongering aside, Rio is heaven on earth.

Have fun.[/QUOTE]I agree with you, stick with termas and no need any portuguese in Rio de Janeiro to enjoy in Rio de Janeiro. Money talks. You can still get phone numbers in the terma and meet them outside.

Mabs is gringo trap. It smells like [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] so imposible to eat there. The service in the day is better than the service in the night. That's why you only see stupid gringos there in the night. The girls are as ugly as the girls in VM.

Termas are the best places to enjoy, the girl quality is better, the rooms are better. You can also find some good looking girls in prives but you need to do your homework. I don't like shitty and trash clubs. The only club I like in Centro is 502. Good Atmosphere and many stunners, the rooms are very good. But speaking portuguese is very important when you want deep conversation.

Solarium, 4 x4, t65, cancun and 502 are my favourit places.

One of the things to always keep in mind when reading reports or taking advice is the experience and perspective of the author or advice giver. This is why it is so important for the inexperienced to write reports. However, time and time again people come here soliciting advice with promises of reporting back and never do. That happened recently and if I ever see the guy, I will kick him in the balls. Literally, kick him in the balls.

If you are Brazilian of course MABs is going to suck. It is a restaurant bar catering to gringos. Solarium on the other hand is like a local neighborhood bar. Many Brazilians regulars and non-Portuguese speaking gringos may feel like an outsider. 4 x 4 personally is not for me. Too many horses' asses (both the girls and frat-boy type Brazilians) and tattoos. But, that is me and that environment may fit you perfectly.

The answer is if you visit this site and take something from it, take the time to write about your experiences. Give back. It may have been said 1000 times before, but your perspective might be just a little bit different and prove helpful to someone like you. Much more valuable than revisiting HELP, discussing which city has the best mongering or that you will never ever in your wildest dreams turn a working girl into a housewife. Never, don't even think about it.

[QUOTE=Omigawd;2349527]I am sure this gets asked often but I could use some help.

I will be in Rio for a week, plan to party a bit and submit reports afterwards. I don't know a word of Portuguese, can understand few words of Spanish.

How many working girls in Rio speak some English, enough for a little conversation during pounding? A few, very few or none?

Also is Rio mostly a casa place like Medellin or has a vibrant escorts / massage shops / pick up joints scene like in San Jose or Bangkok?

Thanks in advance for any pointers.[/QUOTE]As my girlfriend told me, no matter what the GDP's say about speaking English, they ALL speak "Business English. " Four hunnndred, three hunnndred, two hunnndred.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2349819]I

Mabs is gringo trap. It smells like ... so imposible to eat there. The service in the day is better than the service in the night. That's why you only see stupid gringos there in the night. The girls are as ugly as the girls in VM.

[/QUOTE]Total BS.

Definitely has some ugly girls there, but you will find cuties as well, just like all venues.

I saw plenty of girls at the Termas I wouldn't want to play with.

Smells bad, haha, Stupid gringos, haha.

Stop already.

You obviously have a vendetta against Mabs.

Very jaded opinion.

Don't go there! It's that easy.

It's not my favorite place either, but don't paint it like it's evil.

It can be fun.

Geez.

[QUOTE=Hotrod10;2349715]I'm home now (in USA) but I'm planning my next trip to RIO. I just read that in copa there is another club like MABS called Dolce Vita. Any comments from anyone.[/QUOTE]Yes, ask MongerForSex, a Brazilian guy, he loves those places!

Hahaha.

Dolce Vita is basically an after hours Mabs type place, but indoors, like a dance night club.

Typically some of the same girls from Mabs, plus others.

Contrary to some posts, you can find some talent that show at Mabs and / or Doce Vita.

If you're cool, can "bater papo" (conversate, chat, flirt) you can strike great deals as well.

P.S., don't tell MongerForSex guy, but some girls from Mabs / Doce Vita, do or have also worked the Termas.

First hand knowledge of that. LOL.

[QUOTE=ExecTalent;2349860]One of the things to always keep in mind when reading reports or taking advice is the experience and perspective of the author or advice giver. This is why it is so important for the inexperienced to write reports. However, time and time again people come here soliciting advice with promises of reporting back and never do. That happened recently and if I ever see the guy, I will kick him in the balls. Literally, kick him in the balls.

If you are Brazilian of course MABs is going to suck. It is a restaurant bar catering to gringos. Solarium on the other hand is like a local neighborhood bar. Many Brazilians regulars and non-Portuguese speaking gringos may feel like an outsider. 4 x 4 personally is not for me. Too many horses' asses (both the girls and frat-boy type Brazilians) and tattoos. But, that is me and that environment may fit you perfectly.

.[/QUOTE]Right on Mr Exec!!

Great post!!

To each their own!!

Many thanks to Quick Exit only one post but a very interesting post, thanks one more.

[QUOTE=Hotrod10;2349715]I'm home now (in USA) but I'm planning my next trip to RIO. I just read that in copa there is another club like MABS called Dolce Vita. Any comments from anyone.[/QUOTE]It's a little bit better than Mabs IMHO. The place has been open since about the same time Help closed so about 10 years now but the space has been a boate for decades used to be called Holiday. It's like a mini help, small bar, small dance floor, the door men were Help regulars back in the day. Many here would say it's a place for gringos with gringo prices but if you like the independent scene then about 1 AM this place gets rocking and you get all types including a good amount of gems. When I'm in Rio I don't go every night but when I do I always find something nice.

I have told this story here before but it is worth repeating. In Frankfurt, Germany there is a bar with girls out front enticing men to enter with promises of a good time. Guy goes in, orders a drink and up comes a lady promising more than she did outside. Of course, to move things along, she needs a drink. Pretty soon the guy realizes that he is being taken for a ride and signals he wants to close out his tab. Suddenly he notices that the young lady is nowhere to be found but there are a couple of large bouncers within a few feet. He looks down and his bill is for a few hundred Euros. That is a tourist trap.

You won't find that in Rio. Everything is your call. Before you enter a bar, ask how much it is to enter. Quanto custa entrar? Are there any drinks included? (consumption) Há bebidas incluídas? May I look? Posso olhar?

Go from bar to bar and stay if you see any girls that you like. You could even write the Portuguese on cards and hold them up. Generally you will be allowed to enter without paying to take a quick look around. However, do be aware that the girls go from location to location so my recommendation is if you find a decent place, stay put for 30 minutes or so. This is why some guys will find gems at places like Mabs and other guys see nothing but hags. A termas is a sure thing most of the time, but then again, you will pay the price. Two major pieces of advice: Save your drinking for another time. You are in Rio for the women, not the alcohol. Related advice: Don't rely on blue pills to get you through a drunken stupor. My five women a night days are over, but keeping sober and a hot Brazilian still do it once or twice a night for me.

Another place with a tourist trap reputation is Barbarella.

[URL]https://barbarellaboite.negocio.site/[/URL]

You are going to pay money to get in. You will pay money to get out and for the girl. This can add up and depending on the girl, you might not have that great of a time. Remember, many girls at these clubs, including Barbarella, would like to see a few guys a night. Don't be stupid with your money, but unless you speak Portuguese or find an English speaking girl, it will be difficult to negotiate. Again, you didn't travel all the way to Rio to lose out on a sweet thing over $10. This is where guys posting reports here can help. How much is the going rate per hour charge to a non-Portuguese speaking gringo?

[QUOTE=Hotrod10;2349715]I'm home now (in USA) but I'm planning my next trip to RIO. I just read that in copa there is another club like MABS called Dolce Vita. Any comments from anyone.[/QUOTE]La Dolce Vita is the best nightclub in Copacabana in my opinion, its nearest rival is Kalabria and they are so close many walk between the two, so if its quiet in Kalabria the girls will go to La Dolce Vita.

Some tips- on entry you pay a fee and receive a card- entry usually includes one drink (bebida nacional). All drinks are charged by the barman to your card so it is wise to keep a tab on how many drinks you have bought or you may be in for a surprise on exit. I also recommend tipping your favourite waiter and the security when you leave as you will be well received when you return. Remember the waiters and security earn a fraction of what the girls are making so a small tip is well appreciated.

You will have a great time there.

Daddy Day Care, (Creche do Papai,) formerly Dalila's Massage at one of our favorite buildings in Centro: Av Rio Branco 185, Sala 1722. Only 4 garotas present. The facilities aren't the best. It's a bit cramped. The Partitions don't go all the way to the ceiling. The "room" was just a mattress. This place is a bit trashy. LOL At least there was AC.

But I didn't go there for the ambiance. I was after the Blond. She's Sereia on the Creche site and Barbie on Cariocaasvip site. Her pics are accurate. But she's a soft body, good looking though. I was not disappointed when I first saw her. Very much a GFE, lots of LFK, DFK. Amazing oral skills, One of the best BBBJ's I've experienced. She kept going at it too. BTW, All the garotas here are completa, I finished that way. It was a very enjoyable afternoon with her. I'm going to have to repeat. It didn't seem busy when I arrived around 4p, but all the GDP's were occupied when I left at 5p. LOL.

[URL]https://elliterio.com/agencia/creche-do-papai/[/URL]

Contact them via whatsapp on the 6423 number in the ad, they'll send you the promo rates for 2 and 3 garotas. They'll also send a link with more pics. Forget about trying to schedule an appointment that way though.

[URL]https://www.cariocasvip.com/[/URL]

Has pics of the GDP at Rio Branco 185 and 156/ sala 613 and 706.

[QUOTE=Rocinha;2350074][b]Remember the waiters and security earn a fraction of what the girls are making[/b] so a small tip is well appreciated.[/QUOTE]How is this the person's problem that is patronizing the business? Why leave out the janitor, painter, cook, electrician, and DJ?

[QUOTE=Balboa;2349949]Yes, ask MongerForSex, a Brazilian guy, he loves those places!

Hahaha.

Dolce Vita is basically an after hours Mabs type place, but indoors, like a dance night club.

Typically some of the same girls from Mabs, plus others.

Contrary to some posts, you can find some talent that show at Mabs and / or Doce Vita.

If you're cool, can "bater papo" (conversate, chat, flirt) you can strike great deals as well.

P.S., don't tell MongerForSex guy, but some girls from Mabs / Doce Vita, do or have also worked the Termas.

First hand knowledge of that. LOL.[/QUOTE]Most girls working in Mabs are freelancers, from VM, from trash clubs and some prives. I can see you have never been to Solarium. I know mabs very wel because I also go to Copabana to play soccer in the night on the beach and it's not far from MABS.

But I can tell you I met 2 girls from Casablanca in T65. P.S. Girls working in Casablanca don't work in Mabs unless they changed their policy.

Dolce Vita sucks too. Do you mean they used to work in Help Club LOL. There are some good looking girls in Casablanca and Barbarella but the prices are not interesting. Many girls from Barbarella don't go to Mabs, I have never been a client in Casablanca and barbarella although there are some good looking girls outside in front of their door.

[QUOTE=Retiree1968;2350315]Any STD clinic in Rio de Janeiro? I would like to get tested for every STD. Who gets tested regularly?[/QUOTE]I know exactly where you can go but do not see any reports from all your time in Rio, just a lot of questions. No soup for you!

Maybe Crisco can help you.

Thank you for your service though.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2350349]Most girls working in Mabs are freelancers, from VM, from trash clubs and some prives. I can see you have never been to Solarium. I know mabs very wel because I also go to Copabana to play soccer in the night on the beach and it's not far from MABS.

.[/QUOTE]Ummm, freelancers yes, but the rest wrong again.
Stick with soccer and Solarium, you'll be alright, LOL.

PS ... I’ve been to Solarium twice, never again.
Boring, over priced, average girls IMO.
I understand it’s a cool place for the local affluent guys.
That’s great!
Not for me, but I won’t constantly write negatively about it.

Everyone should check out the Termas, form their own opinion.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2350149]Daddy Day Care, (Creche do Papai,) formerly Dalila's Massage at one of our favorite buildings in Centro: Av Rio Branco 185, Sala 1722.

[URL]https://elliterio.com/agencia/creche-do-papai/[/URL]

Contact them via whatsapp on the 6423 number in the ad, they'll send you the promo rates for 2 and 3 garotas. They'll also send a link with more pics. Forget about trying to schedule an appointment that way though.

[URL]https://www.cariocasvip.com/[/URL]

Has pics of the GDP at Rio Branco 185 and 156/ sala 613 and 706.[/QUOTE]Thanks JM, just the type of intel I'm looking for. Next trip to Brazil coming up soon (hopefully).

2 visits to 4*4,first time went early in the day. Not sure but about 10 girls there and a few guests. More girls arrived, many of them introduced themselves but none to my liking. I like ass but not a fan of the too enhanced I thought almost everybody had. Only girl I really liked was a small pretty blond chick, but she was busy with what seemed a regular so no luck there.

Place was a lot smaller than I had imagined and being by myself I get's a bit boring and akward after a while. Been to lots of FKKs and they are a different story, no problem hanging for some time.

Had 2 beers and then a girl, which name I forgot immediately, sat down. 170 ish, big ass but goodlooking, long straight dark hair. Very "latina-looking"so to speak LOL.

Promised to deliver what I wanted; complete, BBBJ so went with her. Ok session, she performed as promised but will not repeat-not my cup of tea. Left after that, didn't want to stay too late in the area after what I read but seemed exaggerated as it was alright.

Next visit the other day. Came later, around 18 and a lot more people this time. More came and place looked packed when I left a couple of hours later. Bit of the same this time, lots of girls introduced themselves but none got me going. Later spotted a goodlooking girl with no enhanced either ass or breasts. Name was Duda, age I forgot. 165 ish dark hair. I'd say normal body with a nice ass but in here she was a small, skinny girl in comparison, LOL.

Had a few beers and fun, she played around some and was easygoing. Didn't stress at all, in the end I was the one suggested to leave for the room.

Nice hour in the room, she delivered for sure. Have had better BJ's but the sex was good; all PSE which I'm into. Will repeat if the opportunity come. Total price 512 are. Left after that.

Like the concept a lot but club and facilitates were smaller than I thought.

Short walk from Uruguayan metrostation, easy accessible.

[QUOTE=SAS40;2351252]Like the concept a lot but club and facilitates were smaller than I thought.[/QUOTE]Yes, the main room of a terma can be really tiny. For the same concept, but typically with a lot more room, you need to go to the big FKK sauna clubs in Germany. Or FKK Globe in Switzerland (it's huge, but then so is the price at this club).

I repeated with an all time fave, Raissa.

[URL]https://www.rioencontro.com.br/raissa[/URL]

She is a great girl, what ISG Sunkistday has described as a solid performer like a Sandra Romain. She also is a dominant who likes to do threesomes. Enjoy the new pics. I may soon post some new pics of her beautiful tits.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2351360]Yes, the main room of a terma can be really tiny. For the same concept, but typically with a lot more room, you need to go to the big FKK sauna clubs in Germany. Or FKK Globe in Switzerland (it's huge, but then so is the price at this club).[/QUOTE]Spain or São Paulo would also fit the bill relatively good, and much preferable over Germany IMHO.

[QUOTE=PatmarBeleza1;2351564]I repeated with an all time fave, Raissa.

[URL]https://www.rioencontro.com.br/raissa[/URL]

She is a great girl, what ISG Sunkistday has described as a solid performer like a Sandra Romain. She also is a dominant who likes to do threesomes. Enjoy the new pics. I may soon post some new pics of her beautiful tits.[/QUOTE]Damn what a beauty! I could be Tarzan and she is Jane, the pervert side of me wants me to fuck her in the woods, oh what fun!

The Tall Man.

Eurorio Spa in Barra, very easy to get to via the metro. Take it to the end of the Line: Jardim Oceanico. Exit on the Lagoon side and walk west towards the pedestrian footbridge to the BRT. It's located in the building to the right of the footbridge. The building entrance is on the west side. You'll have to show ID to get in. The guard writes down your info. There is no signage outside this spa, like others elsewhere. You'll get buzzed into a narrow entrance way and taken upstairs. It might have been Bruna or Manuela who answered the door, In either case, it was a Big Butt garota. I waited in a small room.

Based on the website pics, I had chosen Nina. She finally arrived and moved me to a large room. Room was equipped with a sex chair, a futon and surprisingly, a stripper pole. I was disappointed in Nina's looks: she was full of tats. Her hair was in braids. Didn't look anything like her pics. Except for the tits: Huge and Natural. Another plus was the BBBJ and lots of eye contact. DATY was clean and fresh. The main event was just meh. Nothing spectacular.

The Eurorio facilities are better than most. The shower was kinda cramped, only big enough for one. The towels provided are on the small side. As you are moved about the facilities the garota will alert the other garotas that you're in the hallways, so you won't see another gent. Since I'm a frequent traveler to Thailand, I got a kick of the Buddha theme at this spa.

There's a few more garotas on the site, since I went. I'll have to ask for a presentation next time. 1Hr is $R200 here.

[URL]http://www.clinicaeuroriospa.com.br/index.php/equipe[/URL]

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2351970]Eurorio Spa in Barra, very easy to get to via the metro. Take it to the end of the Line: Jardim Oceanico. Exit on the Lagoon side and walk west towards the pedestrian footbridge to the BRT. It's located in the building to the right of the footbridge. The building entrance is on the west side. You'll have to show ID to get in. The guard writes down your info. There is no signage outside this spa, like others elsewhere. You'll get buzzed into a narrow entrance way and taken upstairs. It might have been Bruna or Manuela who answered the door, In either case, it was a Big Butt garota. I waited in a small room.

The Eurorio facilities are better than most. The shower was kinda cramped, only big enough for one. The towels provided are on the small side. As you are moved about the facilities the garota will alert the other garotas that you're in the hallways, so you won't see another gent. Since I'm a frequent traveler to Thailand, I got a kick of the Buddha theme at this spa.[/QUOTE]I visited this place one time on my last trip. I didn't have an ID on me but the guard and the lobby receptionist let me through anyways.

Maybe I was there too early but there were only 3 girls in the lineup, including the girl who opened the door. I wasn't into any of them so I didn't session but the room I was brought into where I was introduced to the lineup was not bad. I was surprised to even see a jacuzzi in the room. Its definitely a couple of notches above the facilities of centro Rio's casas. When I return to Rio, I will definitely give them another chance.

I lived in Rio from 1989-1995 which was the best 6 years of my life. I knew the bus routes and metro like the palm of my hand. I speak fluent Portuguese which was a huge advantage. Help was in full swing and Meia Pataca and the beach in front of the Othon was always full of action. Inflation was out of control which made everything cheap for those who exchanged dollars. On Monday nights we played volleyball on Leme Beach. Anybody remember Shelly and Bob (RIP) Anyway the last time I was in Rio was about 2 or 3 months before HELP closed and I have not been back since. I now want to take a nostalgic trip back to Rio but I am sure so many things have changed since the close of HELP. Everybody I knew has either passed away or I have lost touch with so when I go back again I will feel like a complete newbie tourist. The last time I went I stayed in the Green building a block up from HELP but that place may be no good anymore and the location could be far away from the action now. I think all the action is at the other end of the beach near Mabs now? I travel by myself and feel more comfortable in a hotel or a building similar to that Green building. Are there any girl friendly places to stay within walking distance of the "action" Is there any "action" on the beach and where is it now. Are Termas's now the best places? Thanks for helping me.

[QUOTE=Carioca34;2352652]I think all the action is at the other end of the beach near Mabs now? Are there any girl friendly places to stay within walking distance of the "action" Is there any "action" on the beach and where is it now.[/QUOTE]I would not say around Mabs is the place for any action. There may be about 15 chicks at Mabs during the late night. The action has moved to the web for the most part. Of course there is action at privees during the day and termas if you want to pay termas prices.

[QUOTE=Carioca34;2352652] Help was in full swing and Meia Pataca and the beach in front of the Othon was always full of action. Inflation was out of control which made everything cheap for those who exchanged dollars..[/QUOTE]You forgot to mention Terrao Atlntico, one a busy night that was a veritable Baskins-Robbins of pussy! To quote Archie Bunker, " those were the days!

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2352753]You forgot to mention Terrao Atlntico, one a busy night that was a veritable Baskins-Robbins of pussy! To quote Archie Bunker, " those were the days!

Cheers![/QUOTE]Terraco Atlantico was my all-time favorite setting in the World. As great as Help was, it was just perfect sitting in front of the Ocean, and having 100's of garotas eyeing you. Heck, they even had good food!

[QUOTE=Combo;2352757]Terraco Atlantico was my all-time favorite setting in the World. As great as Help was, it was just perfect sitting in front of the Ocean, and having 100's of garotas eyeing you. Heck, they even had good food![/QUOTE]When Help was in session anytime I had 7 days off or more, my happy ass would be in Rio. Typically, I doing Rio 4-5 x / yr. Over time I racked up enough United frequent flyer miles that I was jetting down to Rio free at least once a year. During my July trips it would be winter & rainy in Rio. Spent many a night posted up at Terrace Atlantica with a bottle of Malbec, a hot bowl of seafood chowder (Leao Veloso), French bread and a serving of oysters on the half shell.

Damn straight they good food!

[QUOTE=Carioca34;2352652]I lived in Rio from 1989-1995 which was the best 6 years of my life... The last time I went I stayed in the Green building a block up from HELP but that place may be no good anymore...[/QUOTE]
You asked the same question about the green building a few times the last years and the answer continues to be the same. The "Green building" is still there and it's still very busy.
Out of curiosity I passed by in February to check out the prices.
Double room, frente de praia, R$278.
Double room, frente Aires Saldanha, R$229.
Double room, apartamento interno, R$205.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2352682]I would not say around Mabs is the place for any action. There may be about 15 chicks at Mabs during the late night. The action has moved to the web for the most part. Of course there is action at privees during the day and termas if you want to pay termas prices.[/QUOTE]I am going to Rio De Janeiro for a week and want to enjoy the Rio life to the fullest.

Please suggest best places to get good garotas and excellent experience but not too harsh on the pocket.

Are the websites authentic: [URL]rioencontro.com[/URL]; [URL]photoamanhantes.com[/URL]; [URL]www.clinicaeuroriospa.com.br[/URL].

How to approach for garotas for a good session. Should I book a garota from one of the websites before going there?

Really appreciate the members of this ISG.

[QUOTE=Combo;2352757]Terraco Atlantico was my all-time favorite setting in the World. As great as Help was, it was just perfect sitting in front of the Ocean, and having 100's of garotas eyeing you. Heck, they even had good food![/QUOTE]I agree. I had 10 great years at Help and Terraco Atlantico. I remember well the nights at Terraco watching the scene before entering Help usually round 2 am. My view is that there are so many Help veterans on this forum that we should create a separate thread called something like "Help nostalgia"?

January 2020 marks the 10th anniversary of Help's closure.

[QUOTE=Rocinha;2355349]I agree. I had 10 great years at Help and Terraco Atlantico. I remember well the nights at Terraco watching the scene before entering Help usually round 2 am. My view is that there are so many Help veterans on this forum that we should create a separate thread called something like "Help nostalgia"?

January 2020 marks the 10th anniversary of Help's closure.[/QUOTE]Wow 10 years, there was a time I couldn't imagine a world without Help.

[URL]https://youtu.be/dySQJppdZLE[/URL]

Since someone could not Help but bring up [B]HELP[/B] in the Rio Report Thread.

[QUOTE=Rocinha;2355349]I agree. I had 10 great years at Help and Terraco Atlantico. I remember well the nights at Terraco watching the scene before entering Help usually round 2 am. My view is that there are so many Help veterans on this forum that we should create a separate thread called something like "Help nostalgia"?

January 2020 marks the 10th anniversary of Help's closure. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rocinha;2355349]I agree. I had 10 great years at Help and Terraco Atlantico. I remember well the nights at Terraco watching the scene before entering Help usually round 2 am. My view is that there are so many Help veterans on this forum that we should create a separate thread called something like "Help nostalgia"?

January 2020 marks the 10th anniversary of Help's closure.[/QUOTE]Who cares about Help. Help is over. The past is the past.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2355890]Who cares about Help. Help is over. The past is the past.[/QUOTE]Exactly, need a separate thread for the mourning of Help, LOL.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2355890]Who cares about Help. Help is over. The past is the past.[/QUOTE]Well, it's nice to reminisce every once in a while. I myself was never a big Help fan, but I really did enjoy the scene outside at Terraco Atlantico. I would roll in late after I'd had my "jollies" at a termas somewhere. Order some food and drink. Sit back and watch the show! I learned never to sit on the edges so as to avoid all the tutes and touts "selling stuff" and bugging me to "buy" LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2356061]Sit back and watch the show! I learned never to sit on the edges so as to avoid all the tutes and touts "selling stuff" and bugging me to "buy" LOL![/QUOTE]"Tutes and touts." That's funny.

Visited Sexy Hot Massagens on 13 De Maio 33 around 16 in the afternoon. 7-8 girls available, decent looks and a different types. Went with a short blond named Jennifer. Natural tits and big, but nice round ass. Not complete though. Good session, long nice BJ. Hadn't best chemistry, mostly due to language barrier. But performed well, would recommend.

Will probably be back since there was more interesting meninas I'd like to try.

One of my chicks was just granted a US visa today and is coming to visit me when they return her passport in a few days. She is an accountant with no kids. Last week, my chick that works at a hotel in Barra (1 kid) was denied a visa. She said she would try again in November.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2359013]One of my chicks was just granted a US visa today and is coming to visit me when they return her passport in a few days. She is an accountant with no kids. Last week, my chick that works at a hotel in Barra (1 kid) was denied a visa. She said she would try again in November.[/QUOTE]Is she coming to visit you in the USA or where you live in Pattaya? I'm sure as you know Brazilians aren't required to have a visa to visit Thailand. In fact they get a 90 day stamp on arrival. However they do need a yellow fever vaccine. In Bangkok I think they can get a shot at the airport but I'm not certain about it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2359013]One of my chicks was just granted a US visa today and is coming to visit me when they return her passport in a few days. She is an accountant with no kids. Last week, my chick that works at a hotel in Barra (1 kid) was denied a visa. She said she would try again in November.[/QUOTE]There is absolutely no rhyme nor reason to girls getting tourist visas to America when they apply at the Rio embassy. I know a girl who literally never had a regular job her entire adult life, she worked club Help only and some how she got a tourist visa. I know there was an agency who the Help and MP girls wee going to and they prepared the girls for the interview process and I have a feeling they falsified paperwork too because not a single one of them were denied a visa to America. Mean while I know a few women who have regular jobs and they were denied tourist visas.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2359178]There is absolutely no rhyme nor reason to girls getting tourist visas to America when they apply at the Rio embassy. I know a girl who literally never had a regular job her entire adult life, she worked club Help only and some how she got a tourist visa. I know there was an agency who the Help and MP girls wee going to and they prepared the girls for the interview process and I have a feeling they falsified paperwork too because not a single one of them were denied a visa to America. Mean while I know a few women who have regular jobs and they were denied tourist visas.[/QUOTE]I'm sure back in the old help days (90's, Early 2000's). Getting a Tourist Visa was not problem. But after 9/11 everything changed and its more harder for immigrants if they want to come to the United States. They are checking everything, Its almost impossible to get a visa without showing your have a stable job and having a decent amount of money in your bank account. The only loophole on how to get USA visas very easy is if your a investor and you can deposit up to $300,000 or more. Like what the Chinese are doing when they buy Real Estate in Big Cities like NY or LA.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2359118]Is she coming to visit you in the USA or where you live in Pattaya? I'm sure as you know Brazilians aren't required to have a visa to visit Thailand. In fact they get a 90 day stamp on arrival.[/QUOTE]Huh? Why would anyone bring a Brazilian woman to Pattaya?

We've all heard the adage "you don't bring sand to the beach". Why would you bring Brazilian sand to a Thai pussy beach? That's like packing boxes of spaghetti for your trip to Italy.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2359319]Huh? Why would anyone bring a Brazilian woman to Pattaya?

We've all heard the adage "you don't bring sand to the beach". Why would you bring Brazilian sand to a Thai pussy beach? That's like packing boxes of spaghetti for your trip to Italy.[/QUOTE]Because I live there so women from different places do come visit me at times. But no, the chick that got the visa is meeting me in Atlanta for a few days before she heads off to do her tourist thing in New York and I head back to Asia.

Tonight Bingo in T65.

I will check out this terma if there are some girls.

If not I will finish my night in 502 or 4 x4.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2359415]Tonight Bingo in T65.

I will check out this terma if there are some girls.

If not I will finish my night in 502 or 4 x4.[/QUOTE]What's the deal with T-65 boys? Last time I went it was newly renovated and pristine facilities. The line up left a lot to be desired though. Couldn't even touch 4 x 4 line up. Has anything changed? Is it better now.

Visited Petalas Massagem today just before closing. RB 156 sala 906.

3-4 girls available. Decided for Gabi, pretty tall sexy menina. Rooms small, but with mirror above bed in good position. Girl ok, little to much made noise for my liking. 120/40 min.

Will be back for full line-up. Easily accessible next door to Carioca Metrostation.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;2359260]I'm sure back in the old help days (90's, Early 2000's). Getting a Tourist Visa was not problem. But after 9/11 everything changed and its more harder for immigrants if they want to come to the United States. They are checking everything, Its almost impossible to get a visa without showing your have a stable job and having a decent amount of money in your bank account. The only loophole on how to get USA visas very easy is if your a investor and you can deposit up to $300,000 or more. Like what the Chinese are doing when they buy Real Estate in Big Cities like NY or LA.[/QUOTE]I personally know 8 different Help girls who all got tourist visas to America, like I said before, there is an agency in Rio that costs 2000 R and they all went there. None of them admitted that the place falsified documents, but they must have done something besides prepping them for the interview.

Matter of fact, one of the girls arrived in America like 3- 4 years ago, this year her daughter and granddaughter came to the states and they are going to stay too. Lucky for them, ICE isn't doing diddly squat in NJ like they are in other states. (If you got to Newark NJ, you could find hundreds of illegal immigrants).

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2359013]One of my chicks was just granted a US visa today and is coming to visit me when they return her passport in a few days. She is an accountant with no kids. Last week, my chick that works at a hotel in Barra (1 kid) was denied a visa. She said she would try again in November.[/QUOTE]The woman who was denied a visa, her name doesn't begin with the letter S does it? I know a female with the same exact story. Works for a hotel, has a daughter and she was denied a visa as well. It would be funny of we both are both banging the same woman. She isn't a hoe, but she has some friends who undercover dabbled in the profession. Average face but a banging body.

[QUOTE=ChubzyMaximus;2359430]What's the deal with T-65 boys? Last time I went it was newly renovated and pristine facilities. The line up left a lot to be desired though. Couldn't even touch 4 x 4 line up. Has anything changed? Is it better now.[/QUOTE]It was good, there were some stunners, It was very busy, the only inconvenience was I had to wait for the room to be ready.

So what's the scoop with Termas Aeroporto? Is it currently an active and going concern or not? MongerForSex maybe you know? Thanks in advance for any info from anybody.

[URL]https://www.guiamais.com.br/rio-de-janeiro-rj/saunas-e-massagens/saunas/14123216-2/termas-aeroporto[/URL]

Was on my way to T65 yesterday but stopped for a prive eventually.

Don't find any homepage on T65. What times are they open? And 502?

[QUOTE=Bravo;2359468]The woman who was denied a visa, her name doesn't begin with the letter S does it? I know a female with the same exact story. Works for a hotel, has a daughter and she was denied a visa as well. It would be funny of we both are both banging the same woman. .............[/QUOTE]You both and prolly dozens others.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2359468]The woman who was denied a visa, her name doesn't begin with the letter S does it? I know a female with the same exact story. Works for a hotel, has a daughter and she was denied a visa as well. It would be funny of we both are both banging the same woman. She isn't a hoe, but she has some friends who undercover dabbled in the profession. Average face but a banging body.[/QUOTE]LOL. Nah. It is Elizabete. She has a son.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2359644]So what's the scoop with Termas Aeroporto? Is it currently an active and going concern or not? MongerForSex maybe you know? Thanks in advance for any info from anybody.

[URL]https://www.guiamais.com.br/rio-de-janeiro-rj/saunas-e-massagens/saunas/14123216-2/termas-aeroporto[/URL][/QUOTE]OK, so I hear it's "done" and was gay when last open. Never mind!

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2359632]It was good, there were some stunners, It was very busy, the only inconvenience was I had to wait for the room to be ready.[/QUOTE]Thanks mate! Any night in particular the best to go?

[QUOTE=ChubzyMaximus;2359994]Thanks mate! Any night in particular the best to go?[/QUOTE]Thursday and Friday are the best days.

I went to the brasilian parade in NYC yesterday, it was fucking packed with people. I have never seen that many people like yesterday! Oddly, I only saw about 4 former GDPs, normally, I see many girls that I knew from Copa, but very few in attendance yesterday. I spoke to one who mentioned that Marcelo (Young dark skin brasilian who claimed that he grew up in NYC was dead) Marcelo used to work MP / Help every day. He spoke excellent english, so he would hustle the brothers for a few dollars offering to translate or hook them up with different girls. I knew he was going thru some rough imes ever since he got divorced but I was hocked to hear that he had passed away. Anyone know if this is true?

Standard experience at TMC. They're currently running a promotion for 50% off the entrance fee. 60 heais. The promotion is valid on Mondays for sure. It's for another day of the week too, but I don't recall which one. It's not consumable, drinks are extra. Decent ratio. OK line up. Nothing truly stunning but a decent amount of 7's pushing 8 (IMO and I'm particular). Went with a Loira. Screened prior to hitting the room. Good experience, no surprises. May try T65 as I'm tempted to try something new. May just settle on 4 x 4.

Went with habit and chose 4 x 4 over T65. Maybe about 1. 5 to 1 ratio (W / F). Most know what to expect at this place. The bartender offered me Viagra and cialis. That's the first time I've seen that actively solicited.

There was a thick PAWG who spoke fluent English (in a German accent). She had silicone breasts. She said her ass was natural. It may have been but I had my doubts. She was thick. I have a feeling that having an enhanced ass is something GPS don't like to explicitly advertise. She wanted to go to the room immediately. I had just gotten there and wanted to settle on for a moment. She said that she had another client that she was going back too and that she was leaving after that. She was interesting, but I let her go.

Sessioned with a cute Venezuelan. She said she'the only been working there a few days. It showed. She had trouble finding the room assigned to us. Fun in the room. No surprises. Satisfactory BJ. Amazing CFS. Extremely active. COB.

Random: saw a GP spit in the middle of the floor of that main area. I know it's not a high end boate, but damn.

Could anyone update me as to pricing for.

Centauras?

Soliaium?

Monte carlo?

Any club worth hitting for something close to help or balcony bar experience?

Thank you- obligato -kop kun krab.

[QUOTE=Tingtongsafado;2367758]Could anyone update me as to pricing for.

Centauras?

Soliaium?

Monte carlo?

Any club worth hitting for something close to help or balcony bar experience?

Thank you- obligato -kop kun krab.[/QUOTE]First photo of Monte Carlo.

Second one in Solarium.

I haven’t been to Centaurus lately, though I know it’s a little more costly, and 4x4 is a little less.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2366246] I spoke to one who mentioned that Marcelo (Young dark skin brasilian who claimed that he grew up in NYC was dead) Marcelo used to work MP / Help every day. He spoke excellent english, so he would hustle the brothers for a few dollars offering to translate or hook them up with different girls. I knew he was going thru some rough imes ever since he got divorced but I was hocked to hear that he had passed away. Anyone know if this is true?[/QUOTE]Wow, sad if it's true. Haven't seen him in recent trips (within the last year or 2). Cool dude.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2368020]First photo of Monte Carlo.

Second one in Solarium.

I havent been to Centaurus lately, though I know its a little more costly, and 4x4 is a little less.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the reply, I can't see theses pics clearly. When were they taken? Would you be so kind as to give me an idea of the cost in numbers -basic room 1 girl -thank you in advance.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2368020]First photo of Monte Carlo. Second one in Solarium. I havent been to Centaurus lately, though I know its a little more costly, and 4x4 is a little less.[/QUOTE]Wow! Prices are high! I've not been to Rio in 5 years, but I think I will stick to the clinicas in Sao Paulo at 150-250 per hour.

[QUOTE=Tingtongsafado;2368118]Thank you for the reply, I can't see theses pics clearly. When were they taken? Would you be so kind as to give me an idea of the cost in numbers -basic room 1 girl -thank you in advance.[/QUOTE]The pics are very clear, and they were taken within a month or so.

Basically a program with one girl, 40 min, including entrance, the room, the girl, runs between 500-600 reais, depending on the particular Terma and if you’re paying by cash or card.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2366246]I went to the brasilian parade in NYC yesterday, it was fucking packed with people. I have never seen that many people like yesterday! Oddly, I only saw about 4 former GDPs, normally, I see many girls that I knew from Copa, but very few in attendance yesterday. I spoke to one who mentioned that Marcelo (Young dark skin brasilian who claimed that he grew up in NYC was dead) Marcelo used to work MP / Help every day. He spoke excellent english, so he would hustle the brothers for a few dollars offering to translate or hook them up with different girls. I knew he was going thru some rough imes ever since he got divorced but I was hocked to hear that he had passed away. Anyone know if this is true?[/QUOTE]Good news Bravo. Cancel the death notice. I saw and talked to Marcelo the other night at Mabs (just happened to run into him). He's alive and well.

[QUOTE=Torgoch;2368394]Wow! Prices are high! I've not been to Rio in 5 years, but I think I will stick to the clinicas in Sao Paulo at 150-250 per hour.[/QUOTE]As far as termas, seems like 4 x4 is the better deal of the major termas. I took a pict of their price list a few days ago and it's as follows: 270 r -30 minutes Cabine, 390 r-1 HR Suite, 450 r-1 HR Super Suite, 520 r- 1 HR Colectivo, 600 r- 90 mins Suite Rei, 650 r- 90 minutes Suite Sultao, 700 r- 1 HR Suite 2 x1. $60 r entrance waived if you take a girl before 6 pm. I have no idea about any of those suites besides the basic cabine for 270 R, so don't ask me what they mean. LOL. They also don't charge extra if you use a card like other places do.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2368514]The pics are very clear, and they were taken within a month or so.

Basically a program with one girl, 40 min, including entrance, the room, the girl, runs between 500-600 reais, depending on the particular Terma and if youre paying by cash or card.[/QUOTE]Thank you -this helps -any advice as to a balcony bar or help like club I guess from reading treads that Mabs and Dolce vita are only Rio night clubs for working ladies?

[QUOTE=Ee2002;2368541]As far as termas, seems like 4 x4 is the better deal of the major termas. I took a pict of their price list a few days ago and it's as follows: 270 r -30 minutes Cabine, 390 r-1 HR Suite, 450 r-1 HR Super Suite, 520 r- 1 HR Colectivo, 600 r- 90 mins Suite Rei, 650 r- 90 minutes Suite Sultao, 700 r- 1 HR Suite 2 x1. $60 r entrance waived if you take a girl before 6 pm. I have no idea about any of those suites besides the basic cabine for 270 R, so don't ask me what they mean. LOL. They also don't charge extra if you use a card like other places do.[/QUOTE]I'm staying in Ipenema so I will most likely be hitting Centauras -Solirium and Monte carlo's -any night clubs worth hitting up? Doce vita Mabs? That's it?

[QUOTE=Tingtongsafado;2368693]I'm staying in Ipenema so I will most likely be hitting Centauras -Solirium and Monte carlo's -any night clubs worth hitting up? Doce vita Mabs? That's it?[/QUOTE]Besides Dolce Vita, there is Casa Blanca on Rua Duvivier, which is around the corner from Dolce Vita (opposite of the corner where the park is located). There is also Kalabria on Belfort Roxo, across from the park that's between Dolce Vita and Mab's, next to the Bob's. Barbarella's, Sensoo and Ciccolina (has a new name now that starts with M) are all in that general vicinity close to Mabs. If you are in that area, plenty of dudes passing out flyers trying to get customers to those spots.

I don't have any experience at these spots, but those are some of the available night options in Copa, beside Mab's.

[QUOTE=Ee2002;2368931] Ciccolina (has a new name now that starts with M) are all in that general vicinity close to Mabs.[/QUOTE]Ciccolina is now called Marrakech Cafe. I popped in with some locals, one night, last month. They don't have a lot of seating. They Now have 2 back rooms to use with the GDP"s there. There were maybe 8 GDP's. Strip shows every 45 min, more or less. It's dead before 12 a, gets busier around 2 a. Because one of locals knew the door man, they didn't hit us with the cover charge.

[URL]https://marrakechcafe.com.br/[/URL]

I am going to be in Rio shortly and I was curious if there are any clubs where you can pick up escorts, like the old days at Help. Has any club taken over the HELP scene?

[QUOTE=JuiceGuy;2369158]I am going to be in Rio shortly and I was curious if there are any clubs where you can pick up escorts, like the old days at Help. Has any club taken over the HELP scene?[/QUOTE]It's over.

If Brazilians don't know any better, then a foreigner does not stand a chance.

[URL]https://m.worldstarhiphop.com/android/video.php?v=wshh7ZQM8E4m8tU0TG5J[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2369955]If Brazilians don't know any better, then a foreigner does not stand a chance.

[URL]https://m.worldstarhiphop.com/android/video.php?v=wshh7ZQM8E4m8tU0TG5J[/URL][/QUOTE]This video is fake.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2369991]This video is fake.[/QUOTE]This particular video may be fake but the fact that thieves steal phones from Brazilians (firsthand knowledge of one instance at gun point and many others) and tourists (firsthand knowledge of many) is not.

They usually have scouts who travel by motor and identify easy victims then contact the actual thief who knocks it out of the victim's hand, picks it up and runs. My Brazilian maid was hit on the head and hers stolen. My Brazilian girlfriend had hers stolen while she was talking to me. In Brazil I only use cheap Brazilian phones.

[QUOTE=ExecTalent;2370055]This particular video may be fake but the fact that thieves steal phones from Brazilians (firsthand knowledge of one instance at gun point and many others) and tourists (firsthand knowledge of many) is not.

They usually have scouts who travel by motor and identify easy victims then contact the actual thief who knocks it out of the victim's hand, picks it up and runs. My Brazilian maid was hit on the head and hers stolen. My Brazilian girlfriend had hers stolen while she was talking to me. In Brazil I only use cheap Brazilian phones.[/QUOTE]I live in So Paulo, one technique is to target people standing at a bus stop, on the curb waiting for the signal to change. The people are often victims of thieves on motorbikes who will zoom by at high rates of speed and actually snatch the phone from your hand. I must have seen this happen many times in the last 5 yrs. Typically, the victims are women standing alone on not so busy streets.

[QUOTE=ExecTalent;2370055]This particular video may be fake but the fact that thieves steal phones from Brazilians (firsthand knowledge of one instance at gun point and many others) and tourists (firsthand knowledge of many) is not.

They usually have scouts who travel by motor and identify easy victims then contact the actual thief who knocks it out of the victim's hand, picks it up and runs. My Brazilian maid was hit on the head and hers stolen. My Brazilian girlfriend had hers stolen while she was talking to me. In Brazil I only use cheap Brazilian phones.[/QUOTE]I also use a cheap phone, when I leave my cheap phone in a place. Nobody is interested in stealing it. When I go out, I just take money I need and a cheap phone. I dress like an average Brazilian. (casual clothes). In Rio de Janeiro, the more you show, the more problems you encounter.

[QUOTE=JuiceGuy;2369158]I am going to be in Rio shortly and I was curious if there are any clubs where you can pick up escorts, like the old days at Help. Has any club taken over the HELP scene?[/QUOTE]Nope the Help or Help like scene is long dead in Rio.

Check out Doce Vita (small club) on Avenida Atlantica down from Mabs.

Vila Mimosa...
[URL]https://www.lance.com.br/humor-esportivo/vila-mimosa-aparece-entre-assuntos-mais-falados-mundo.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=JuiceGuy;2369158]I am going to be in Rio shortly and I was curious if there are any clubs where you can pick up escorts, like the old days at Help. Has any club taken over the HELP scene?[/QUOTE]In addition to La Dolce Vita try Kalabria on rua Belfort Roxo 88- open until 6 am and later if enough people stay drinking. If La Dolce Vita is quiet the girls go to Kalabria and vice versa.

The two clubs are reasonably different, la Dolce Vita more suited to gringo tastes whereas Kalabria plays more baile funk.

Another difference is Kalabria has rooms in the basement if you want a quickie.

I will be in Rio for 3-4 days, for the first time. While I am doing my part of RTFF, I would really appreciate if some of the experienced mongers here can advise me a bit as to what is my best option for having couple of sessions. I don't speak or understand any Portuguese, will be sight seeing mostly during the days and ideally would prefer a session in hotel room or can visit a no-hassles, English language friendly place that is easy to find.

Should I just focus on escorts?

Or do you advise me to partake some of the terma scene?

[QUOTE=Margaya;2372215]I will be in Rio for 3-4 days, for the first time. While I am doing my part of RTFF, I would really appreciate if some of the experienced mongers here can advise me a bit as to what is my best option for having couple of sessions. I don't speak or understand any Portuguese, will be sight seeing mostly during the days and ideally would prefer a session in hotel room or can visit a no-hassles, English language friendly place that is easy to find.

Should I just focus on escorts?

Or do you advise me to partake some of the terma scene?[/QUOTE]Most of the time it depends on where your staying in Rio? Three or four days is short time so to maximize you time I would consider for no hassles, session at Termas so try:

1. Quatro x Quatro (aka, 4 x4). (centro area).

2. Monte Carlo (Copacabana area).

3. Centaurus (Ipanema area).

4. Solarium (Jardim Botanico / Lagoa area).

Read up in the RIO forum for other places to enjoy.

5. Copacabana area Late night stop by Mabs (something to do, Quality may not be there but YMMV) or La Dolce Vita Nightclub.

Escorts or twitter / Instagram providers are something to consider but may take time to develop or may not show up on schedule or pictures not representative of current look. In my opinion you want to look at and interact with and negotiate directly hence suggestions 1-5.

Also get girls contact info of girls you session with (also ones you don't but would like to session with later at hotel room).

Have fun and give back by, posting report here on your activities.

[QUOTE=Margaya;2372215]I don't speak or understand any Portuguese, will be sight seeing mostly during the days and ideally would prefer a session in hotel room or can visit a no-hassles, English language friendly place that is easy to find.[/QUOTE]

Phone Apps like Google Translate can take out the issue of the language barrier

[QUOTE=Margaya;2372215]I will be in Rio for 3-4 days, for the first time. While I am doing my part of RTFF, I would really appreciate if some of the experienced mongers here can advise me a bit as to what is my best option for having couple of sessions. I don't speak or understand any Portuguese, will be sight seeing mostly during the days and ideally would prefer a session in hotel room or can visit a no-hassles, English language friendly place that is easy to find.

Should I just focus on escorts?

Or do you advise me to partake some of the terma scene?[/QUOTE]I'm in the same situation!

Decided to visit Brazil this year after the last few holidays in Thailand. Hope I don't regret it.

Has anyone had any recent experience of Copa 583? It's probably the first place I'll hit when I land.

[URL]https://www.copa583.com.br/[/URL]

It's fairly new, clean suits, air conditioned with showers on the inside. All rooms have a bed and a massage table and there are typically 6 to 12 providers there, on weekends, sometimes more. Prices are BR150 (it may have gone up to 160, not sure) per hour and you can double up for BR300 with two ladies if you choose to do a dupla.

[QUOTE=Haras;2372665]I'm in the same situation!

Decided to visit Brazil this year after the last few holidays in Thailand. Hope I don't regret it.

Has anyone had any recent experience of Copa 583? It's probably the first place I'll hit when I land.

[URL]https://www.copa583.com.br/[/URL][/QUOTE]

A chill went up my spine as my plane touched down at GIG. Although Rio wasn't the first place where I ever messed with some tutes, it represents the "point of no return" for me. I crossed my Rubicon when I came to Rio to monger way back when, and there's no going back!

I chose to start this part of my journey by stopping off at Monte Carlo first. Now, Monte Carlo has never been my favorite termas in Rio, but neither has it been the worst. I've always placed it in the middle of the pack as being hit or miss. I arrived at 8 pm on a Thursday night, and I would say there were maybe about 25+ girls there. They were mostly morenas and mulattas with only a couple of negras and brancas. I also saw one girl who had kind of a "native" look to her. I would say that the average optics range was a solid 7, with a couple of really hot mulattas who were easily 8's.

I ordered an Amarula and a Bohemia and had a seat. And boy were they trying hard to get my attention! There were maybe about 10 clients in there, but nobody seemed to be too interested in taking a girl at the moment. So, the tutes would prance and preen. Maybe park a plump butt right in front of your face for minute or two. Then turn around and smile. I was pretty darn tired though from having been out all night just the day before, plus having just traveled. Also a little hungry, so I ordered a snack.

I finally decided to talk to a little honey who sort of reminded me of one of my old favorites from another club. This girl said her name was Isis. She was a toned, petite morena with braces and looked to be about 22 years old. That's why I was surprised when she said she was 28 and had three kids! And not a scar on her body anywhere that I could detect. Bought her an Amarula and we sat there and talked and drank and enjoyed each other's company. I was starting to feel a little horny. Dick was starting to get hard, and I was thinking I might like to enjoy the pleasures of Isis' buceta. That's when I discovered that her hair was hiding a huge, huge mole on one side of her face! Hey, I don't expect anybody to be perfect, but the size of that mole was a boner killer for me. No can do LOL!

The conversation remained pleasant and all, and we took the time to finish our drinks. I told Isis that I was tired (I really was as I've been tricking hard), and that I was going to go back to my hotel room and get some sleep. A few little kisses here and there, and I was off to the locker room to get dressed and leave the club. I would say I hung around maybe 2 1/2 hours before departing.

I've been reading posts from a bunch of people lately claiming that the overall talent in Rio really kind of sucks right now. Although I did not session, I didn't think things looked so bad at Monte Carlo. Like I said, I thought the optics on the night that I went was a solid 7, with a few 8's thrown in there. The talent at Monte Carlo didn't look so bad, and especially if you are into the morenas and the mulattas. If you're in Rio, I would say that Monte Carlo is always worth at least a look when it comes to the termas. Maybe you will see something you like. Maybe you won't. Just need to take a chance every once in a while is all.

[QUOTE=UniversalX;2372410]Most of the time it depends on where your staying in Rio? Three or four days is short time so to maximize you time I would consider for no hassles, session at Termas so try:

1. Quatro x Quatro (aka, 4 x4). (centro area).

2. Monte Carlo (Copacabana area).

3. Centaurus (Ipanema area).

4. Solarium (Jardim Botanico / Lagoa area).

Read up in the RIO forum for other places to enjoy.

[/QUOTE]Cancun and 502 are also good places to get laid. I also like t65.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2372901]
I've been reading posts from a bunch of people lately claiming that the overall talent in Rio really kind of sucks right now. Although I did not session, I didn't think things looked so bad at Monte Carlo. Like I said, I thought the optics on the night that I went was a solid 7, with a few 8's thrown in there. The talent at Monte Carlo didn't look so bad, and especially if you are into the morenas and the mulattas. If you're in Rio, I would say that Monte Carlo is always worth at least a look when it comes to the termas. Maybe you will see something you like. Maybe you won't. Just need to take a chance every once in a while is all.[/QUOTE]Monte Carlo is ok, I prefer Solarium and 4 x4 over Monte Carlo. I haven't been to Monte Carlo for a while.

Centaurus is expensive from what I understand. Double from 4*4,or something?

Solarium the same pricerange? MC?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2372901]A chill went up my spine as my plane touched down at GIG. Although Rio wasn't the first place where I ever messed with some tutes, it represents the "point of no return" for me. I crossed my Rubicon when I came to Rio to monger way back when, and there's no going back!

I chose to start this part of my journey by stopping off at Monte Carlo first. Now, Monte Carlo has never been my favorite termas in Rio, but neither has it been the worst. I've always placed it in the middle of the pack as being hit or miss. I arrived at 8 pm on a Thursday night, and I would say there were maybe about 25+ girls there. They were mostly morenas and mulattas with only a couple of negras and brancas. I also saw one girl who had kind of a "native" look to her. I would say that the average optics range was a solid 7, with a couple of really hot mulattas who were easily 8's.

ll.[/QUOTE]ARe they still wearing street clothes in MC? I haven't been there in about 3 years but the last time I ws there, the girls were wearing dresses and jeans. I fucking hated it.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2373107]ARe they still wearing street clothes in MC? I haven't been there in about 3 years but the last time I ws there, the girls were wearing dresses and jeans. I fucking hated it.[/QUOTE]Nope, no women in street attire, but I did see a group of about three guys come in wearing street clothes.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2373107]ARe they still wearing street clothes in MC? I haven't been there in about 3 years but the last time I ws there, the girls were wearing dresses and jeans. I fucking hated it.[/QUOTE]I went to MC in November 2018. They all weared dresses and jeans. I haven't been to MC for a while. Management is good in MC, the manager is a very nice guy. I prefer other termas. I also hate dresses.

After enjoying the anus of a porn star in my room (see Anal Connoisseurs), I decided to go to termas Centaurus later that evening. And once again, I had a problem with a taxi driver! I had to pick the only asshole in all of Copacabana who didn't know where Centaurus was! How can you not know where one of the most famous cathouses in the entire world is you idiot? I finally had enough of his shit and told him to stop and let me out. I also refused to pay the full fare, giving him only half. Then I caught another taxi, and the driver had me at Centaurus in a few minutes. I arrived early at 6:30 pm on a Friday evening. Grrrrr!

I have to say that things have changed at Centaurus. Some good, and some bad. Centaurus will always have a special place in my heart since it was the very first terma that I ever visited years ago. Some loved it, and some loved to hate it, but I was always a fan. The place would be packed with tricks and tutes in a lively environment with lots of 8's, 9's, and a 10 here or there. But this time, I had to admit that it was all just a little bit depressing.

If I recall correctly, the admission price was 160 reals, with no pressure to pay up front for a girl, which used to be a very annoying Centaurus practice. The entrada included one drink, which is also a change from the old days when your entrada gained you entrance and nothing else. So far so good. I went to change, and it seemed that Centaurus had also finally replaced the old, tattered robes they were providing the last time I stopped by. They were still continuing with the practice of sending a girl to "help" you change though. Very annoying since the girl often tries to become a "hanger on". I told the one who showed up for me that I did not need any "ayuda" (help), and she promptly left. Good!

The real shocker for me came when I saw how few men were patronizing Centaurus. As the night progressed, I would say there was in the neighborhood of about 30 or so tutes on duty. But it was not uncommon for only about 3 or so clients to be in the boite at any one time! I'm saying it was like this even at 10 pm at night! The whole vibe was just kind of a downer with lots of bored girls sitting around. When I first came in, it was like piranhas though with girls surrounding me at the bar trying to get my attention. The same for other guys. It was actually funny to see it happening to other mongers. There would be like 10 girls standing right in front of a monger trying to get him to bite, and he's staring at his smart phone like they aren't even there LOL!

Well, I didn't want to be bored all night and decided to try to have some fun. I asked who I found to be the most attractive of the girls to come join me (an 8 on my scale). She said her name was "Taish" or something like that. I thought she was a morena, but she told me that she was actually carrying a very deep tan. Pulled her top back some to show me her tan lines, and her natural skin color was very white (Brazilian father and German mother). I told her that she should be careful about getting so much sun! Taish said she was 21 years old and studying law. Our conversation was pleasant, and we had some food and drink. Getting horny again, I decided to go with Taish for a session. She said that she ordinarily did not allow CIM, but for me she would allow me to do it. She also agreed to anal.

So, I go to pay and settle up the money part, and we go to a room. Taish went to change into something more comfortable. I hate this practice as I think it's just a time waster, but she did promptly return. Her oral skills were decent, but I could tell that I was not going to cum (Elisa Sanches had been superb earlier in the day and I had her BBBJ skils on my mind), so we started fucking in multiple positions. To get off and nut, I wanted to fuck Taish in her plooky hole missionary style, but then she looks at me and smiles and says she doesn't like anal! WTH? She sure as heck agreed to anal during "negotiations"! I can't remember the last time a girl told me she did anal, then told me another story when we were in the room. And I don't think that has ever happened to me in Brazil.

Well, I wasn't mad at her. Elisa Sanches had given me some good booty hole earlier in the day, and besides, I don't always have to have complete penetration in order to be happy. Sometimes when a girl doesn't do anal, or maybe if she can't take my dick, I like to do "encoxada" in between her butt cheeks until I cum. You know "encoxada"? This is a Portuguese word I learned, and it's like to rub your dick on a girl's butt. I had Taish lay on her stomach, and then I laid on top of her with my dick in her ass crack. Like a hot dog sandwich. Then I started massaging my weiner back back and forth between Taish's browned buns and all against the inner walls of her ass cheeks. This felt really, really good to my dick, and as I did it harder and deeper into her crack, Taish seemed to enjoy it too and began moaning. I fantasized that I was doing "encoxada" to Taish's butt crack in a crowded place somewhere and began to cum. She realized I was cumming and started tightly clenching her fleshy butt cheeks around my boner, milking the sperm out of my dick! My body jerked, and I groaned and released! I very much enjoyed doing "encoxada" with my dick inside the cheeks of Taish's tanned, Brazilian-German butt! I was satisfied and did not need to penetrate a hot girl's anus this time in order to "leite" (cum).

I cleaned up some, then laid down for a nice, long massage. Taish was OK at massage. Not the best, but not the worst either. Time eventually was up. We got dressed and kissed and went our separate ways. I went downstairs to take a shower, then returned to the boite for one more drink. And again the piranhas were on me! I had to fend off several. Taish saw me and walked over and kissed me, to the annoyance of the piranha who was trying to get me LOL! The talent wasn't horrible looks wise. I would say that the average was a strong 7. But this was down from the glory days of my start to mongering in Rio, when you could find nothing but 8's and 9's at Centaurus every where you looked, and with strong performances to be had in the room. And still only like three guys sitting around. Depressing! As I was leaving, maybe around 11 pm, there was a group of about 4 guys coming in. Maybe things were going to pick up then. But then again, probably not as other guys like me were slipping out into the Ipanema night.

I don't know why things are so dull at Centaurus now. I don't know that Brazil is having a serious economic crisis, but still maybe people just don't have the money to spend right now. And Centaurus has always been high when it comes to terma pricing. My one hour with Taish was over $200 dollars just for the room and the girl. I spent less than half that for two hours with Elisa Sanches in my room, plus I got to butt fuck her up her tail pipe! Like I said, Taish was an 8 on my scale, but pay higher prices for most of the other tutes up in there who were mostly 7's? I guess most Brazilian mongers don't want to pay Centaurus prices for them when there are other options, such as hot escorts. I get it, and I would play the escort game more too if I lived in Brazil and / or just had more time. But as a tourist, it's difficult. Anyway, I hope that one day Centaurus will rebound and become more like it used to be when I first started mongering in Rio. Onward and upwards!

[QUOTE=Haras;2372665]I'm in the same situation!

Decided to visit Brazil this year after the last few holidays in Thailand. Hope I don't regret it.

Has anyone had any recent experience of Copa 583? It's probably the first place I'll hit when I land.

[URL]https://www.copa583.com.br/[/URL][/QUOTE]Judging by what I am reading so far, Rio stands no chance when compared to Bangkok or Pattaya. God! I love Thailand.

UniversalX.

Thank you so much for the detailed write up, it helped me immensely. I certainly want to try 4 by 4 and may be few other places nearby.

I would love to get in touch with a fellow experienced monger in Rio if possible but otherwise will do more RTFF here and elsewhere.

And yes, I absolutely will share my reports.

Thanks again.

[QUOTE=UniversalX;2372410]Most of the time it depends on where your staying in Rio? Three or four days is short time so to maximize you time I would consider for no hassles, session at Termas so try:

1. Quatro x Quatro (aka, 4 x4). (centro area).

2. Monte Carlo (Copacabana area).

3. Centaurus (Ipanema area).

4. Solarium (Jardim Botanico / Lagoa area).

Read up in the RIO forum for other places to enjoy.

5. Copacabana area Late night stop by Mabs (something to do, Quality may not be there but YMMV) or La Dolce Vita Nightclub.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bravo;2373107]ARe they still wearing street clothes in MC? I haven't been there in about 3 years but the last time I ws there, the girls were wearing dresses and jeans. I fucking hated it.[/QUOTE]What's the current attire for the girls at 4 X 4?

It used to be Brazilian bikinis. It didn't take any imagination. While I wouldn't grope girls for a cheap thrill, I might discreetly put my hand on the ass of a girl I am going to take to the cabine. A little kissing and touching seems to warm things up as a prelude to the session.

Over the years, I would meet a few 4 x 4 girls outside the termas. If a girl can rock a tiny bikini, she can certainly rock a pair of tight, Brazilian jeans. Of course, the reverse isn't always true.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2373230]After enjoying the anus of a porn star in my room (see Anal Connoisseurs), I decided to go to termas Centaurus later that evening. And once again, I had a problem with a taxi driver! I had to pick the only asshole in all of Copacabana who didn't know where Centaurus was! How can you not know where one of the most famous cathouses in the entire world is you idiot? I finally had enough of his shit and told him to stop and let me out. I also refused to pay the full fare, giving him only half. Then I caught another taxi, and the driver had me at Centaurus in a few minutes. I arrived early at 6:30 pm on a Friday evening. Grrrrr!

![/QUOTE]Awesome fucking report! Thanks for taking the time to write down such a detailed and interesting post!! I especially like your posts because you are one of the few mongers on the board who like big booty garotas, like me!! LOL!

I will ask the question that I am sure is on everyone's mind. How did you meet the porn star? How much did she charge? How was the service?

[QUOTE=Bravo;2373319]Awesome fucking report! Thanks for taking the time to write down such a detailed and interesting post!! I especially like your posts because you are one of the few mongers on the board who like big booty garotas, like me!! LOL! I will ask the question that I am sure is on everyone's mind. How did you meet the porn star? How much did she charge? How was the service?[/QUOTE]I met her by getting her contact information from an escort site called Rio Sex Site: [URL]www.riosexsite.com[/URL]. I don't know if her ad is still on there or not, but I've seen her occasionally on other sites too. And get this. Her basic rate for two hours was only $R400 reals! I couldn't believe it when I read that, but it's fucking true! I suppose that if you wanted something really off the wall, then Elisa might charge more. I can see why non-tourist mongers refuse to pay high terma and Scandallo-like prices if they can find really pretty girls for cheap. Us short-time tourists rarely have that that luxury.

But man, the other thing she told me was that in Brazil she is lucky if she gets even $R300 or $R400 per scene! Same kind of money in Mexico. She's not making shit for what she does, and she knows it, even though she has won multiple awards as a top Brazilian porno star. That's why she's hustling and escorting on the side to earn money and wishing that she could break into the American porn industry where more cash is to be had. But with no English, that's not going to happen, and she knows it. As for her performance, overall I would give her an 8, but no question that a 10 is in there and obtainable. Optics-wise, for me she is a 9 (I would prefer fewer tats to get her to 10). Like I said, I've had much better PSE sex from "regular" girls who were so good that they ought to be in pictures LOL! I mean, it was nothing like what you see in her dirtiest movies, but remember that she is an actress, and a lot of that stuff is just that. Acting. She told me she never watches her own scenes. Not unless she's with a client who just wants to. Elisa was warm and friendly and approachable. She was a huger and a kisser. No part of her body seemed to be off limits, and she had the most beautiful, suckable, raised, pink nipples! And of course, she loves it in the ass LOL. This is what she is known for. Once I was inside of her back tunnel, I was able to give it to her good and hard and deep until I finished in her big, round butt.

I think that Elisa takes a lot of her cues from the client. Where does he live (she won't go to certain areas)? Which hotel or part of Rio? What neighborhood (she will go to a private home if she feels safe)? How does the guy treat her? What are his messages like (I was frank at times and said that I wanted to fuck her in the ass, but was mostly a gentleman hehehe). When she arrives, is he nice, or is he acting like a jerk who shows her no respect? I think that if I wanted something that had been more hardcore, then she would have been game, or that if I ask her over to my room again, she would really relax more, and we could "do some scenes" LOL. Not that she was uptight. But, you know. One thing is that in a lot of her pictures and in some videos, she looks kind of like a morena, but her skin is actually very, very white, and her eyes blue / green I think. And like she says, her pussy and her butt hole are both very, very pink LOL! She has some really, really light braces or something on her extremely white teeth. I mean, I could barely see them unless I was right up in her face.

Anyway, I enjoyed it. I enjoyed spending a couple of hours with Elisa. It's not everyday that I get to have anal sex with a bona fide porn star! I actually probably liked her BBBJ the most LOL! Like I said, I had to fight and hold back from cumming before I was ready. Elisa is "completa". DFK, straight, anal, and you can cum in her mouth. If one chooses to see her, I would recommend not going into it as if you're about to have a porn shoot. Not the first time anyway. Relate to her as a person first. Let her be relaxed. And of course, if lots of tats aren't your thing, then Elisa is not the one for you (she said she wasn't going to get anymore). I wished I was going to be around longer and had more time. Because I probably would choose to see Elisa again, and I think it would be even better the second time. But, a touring monger has got to do what a touring monger has got to do. And that's keep it moving!

[QUOTE=Haras;2372665]I'm in the same situation!

Decided to visit Brazil this year after the last few holidays in Thailand. Hope I don't regret it.

Has anyone had any recent experience of Copa 583? It's probably the first place I'll hit when I land.

[URL]https://www.copa583.com.br/[/URL][/QUOTE]583 is nice, but also consider Eden which is on the 4th floor # 401. Although the facilities aren't as nice as 583, they have a larger selection for the pretty much the same price. Down the street is Delirium Massage at Hilario de Gouveia 66, # 201, same price structure. Went a couple of weeks ago later in the day and wasn't too impressed, but it can be good at times, so doesn't hurt to check.

Shouldn't regret it, especially at the current exchange rate, prices are comparable to Thailand in my opinion. Just got to go to the right places. In terms of volume, options and accessibility, Thailand is hard to beat. Rio is great if you do your research and do it right. Still a lot of talent there and at reasonable rates.

[QUOTE=Margaya;2373251]Judging by what I am reading so far, Rio stands no chance when compared to Bangkok or Pattaya. God! I love Thailand.[/QUOTE]Thailand is hard to beat, specifically Pattaya to me, but don't count Rio out. Not as easy to navigate as Pattaya, but if you do your research, you can have a great time. The places listed by Universal X are a good start, especially if money is not an issue, since the prices at those places are comparable to pulling one from the Go Go Clubs on Walking Street.

Mabs, Dolce Vita and Kalabria are probably comparable to the Walking Street FL clubs like Insomnia, 808, Lucifer etc. If you are looking in the Soi 6 range of prices, hit the massage places like Eden, Delirium, 583, Duda's, Bel Prazer or Terma 502 to name a few. If you really want it cheap, there are the trash termas downtown for as low as $14 for 15 minutes (LOL). While I can't garantee that you will like any of the above, a good time can definitely be had.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2373365]I met her by getting her contact information from an escort site called Rio Sex Site: [URL]www.riosexsite.com[/URL]. I don't know if her ad is still on there or not, but I've seen her occasionally on other sites too. And get this. Her basic rate for two hours was only $R400 reals! I couldn't believe it when I read that, but it's fucking true! I suppose that if you wanted something really off the wall, then Elisa might charge more. I can see why non-tourist mongers refuse to pay high terma and Scandallo-like prices if they can find really pretty girls for cheap. Us short-time tourists rarely have that that luxury.

But man, the other thing she told me was that in Brazil she is lucky if she gets even $R300 or $R400 per scene! Same kind of money in Mexico. She's not making shit for what she does, and she knows it, even though she has won multiple awards as a top Brazilian porno star. That's why she's hustling and escorting on the side to earn money and wishing that she could break into the American porn industry where more cash is to be had. But with no English, that's not going to happen, and she knows it. As for her performance, overall I would give her an 8, but no question that a 10 is in there and obtainable. Optics-wise, for me she is a 9 (I would prefer fewer tats to get her to 10). Like I said, I've had much better PSE sex from "regular" girls who were so good that they ought to be in pictures LOL! I mean, it was nothing like what you see in her dirtiest movies, but remember that she is an actress, and a lot of that stuff is just that. Acting. She told me she never watches her own scenes. Not unless she's with a client who just wants to. Elisa was warm and friendly and approachable. She was a huger and a kisser. No part of her body seemed to be off limits, and she had the most beautiful, suckable, raised, pink nipples! And of course, she loves it in the ass LOL. This is what she is known for. Once I was inside of her back tunnel, I was able to give it to her good and hard and deep until I finished in her big, round butt.

I think that Elisa takes a lot of her cues from the client. Where does he live (she won't go to certain areas)? Which hotel or part of Rio? What neighborhood (she will go to a private home if she feels safe)? How does the guy treat her? What are his messages like (I was frank at times and said that I wanted to fuck her in the ass, but was mostly a gentleman hehehe). When she arrives, is he nice, or is he acting like a jerk who shows her no respect? I think that if I wanted something that had been more hardcore, then she would have been game, or that if I ask her over to my room again, she would really relax more, and we could "do some scenes" LOL. Not that she was uptight. But, you know. One thing is that in a lot of her pictures and in some videos, she looks kind of like a morena, but her skin is actually very, very white, and her eyes blue / green I think. And like she says, her pussy and her butt hole are both very, very pink LOL! She has some really, really light braces or something on her extremely white teeth. I mean, I could barely see them unless I was right up in her face.

Anyway, I enjoyed it. I enjoyed spending a couple of hours with Elisa. It's not everyday that I get to have anal sex with a bona fide porn star! I actually probably liked her BBBJ the most LOL! Like I said, I had to fight and hold back from cumming before I was ready. Elisa is "completa". DFK, straight, anal, and you can cum in her mouth. If one chooses to see her, I would recommend not going into it as if you're about to have a porn shoot. Not the first time anyway. Relate to her as a person first. Let her be relaxed. And of course, if lots of tats aren't your thing, then Elisa is not the one for you (she said she wasn't going to get anymore). I wished I was going to be around longer and had more time. Because I probably would choose to see Elisa again, and I think it would be even better the second time. But, a touring monger has got to do what a touring monger has got to do. And that's keep it moving![/QUOTE]Interesting! Don't find any contactinfo about her though?

Good report, Cane.

Indeed, the great thing about Brazil is banging a porn star for $30 USD.

I had Elisa Sanches in a Flamengo apartment a few years ago, but as you say, not the best, but a solid Garota. As Hemingway put it, Brazil is a moveable feast. Once you've been there as a man, it stays with you.

Elisa used to work out at Club Red Light, just like the best locals of the era. These were halcyon days, among the international brotherhood of mongers. There were Garotas far better than her, but most girls don't want to show their face, and definitely not on porn, which is forever.

There were too:

Mayara Rodrigues, who I had a bunch of times, I heard she sunk to the level of 502.

A few other girls on:

[URL]bradmontana.com[/URL]

Now, that said, if there are those among us who want to exchange information on porn stars in Brazil and Rio, PM me, and I will be glad to share my contacts. Elisa and many other porn stars are on.

[URL]Riosexsite.net[/URL]

But that as I said to a porn director I know, is like shooting fish in a barrel, it's too easy.

The real monger degree of difficulty skill is to find them when they are at Prives in Centro, or in the Prives in Moema, where, for $30 USD, you can bang a real porn star. Which is a pretty good thing to put on your bucket list to do over and over, and forget all the other trivial pursuits.

[QUOTE=SAS40;2373430]Interesting! Don't find any contactinfo about her though?[/QUOTE]

Out at the ole malaga motel.

Where I can find fat women? Beautiful and fat.

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/dani.mara1/?hl=en[/URL]

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/jenifer_oliveira28/[/URL]

Hey guys,

I will soon be arriving in Rio and hoping to be a regular at Mabs as I plan to stay in Copacabana.

Can someone please let me know names of couple of hotels (under $75 USD) that are safe, secure and very guest friendly in Copa area, preferably close to Mabs.

Secondly I want to know if Mabs usually has some blonde or light complexioned girls available during the day time or is it a place that comes alive after sunset?

Finally, what is the deal with many Termas asking for an ID? Am I supposed to carry my passport with me all times? Or will the photocopy suffice?

I thank anyone who can answer above questions.

God Bless.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2373230]The real shocker for me came when I saw how few men were patronizing Centaurus. As the night progressed, I would say there was in the neighborhood of about 30 or so tutes on duty. But it was not uncommon for only about 3 or so clients to be in the boite at any one time! I'm saying it was like this even at 10 pm at night! The whole vibe was just kind of a downer with lots of bored girls sitting around. When I first came in, it was like piranhas though with girls surrounding me at the bar trying to get my attention. The same for other guys. It was actually funny to see it happening to other mongers. There would be like 10 girls standing right in front of a monger trying to get him to bite, and he's staring at his smart phone like they aren't even there LOL![/QUOTE]The Cane, it sounds like the effort to rid Copacabana Beach of the mongering scene has greatly impacted Centaurus. As you know in the past, it had a great assortment of talent. Tourist mongers could easily drop in from Copa or Ipanema. It was never my favorite termas, but it was close by and reliable.

[QUOTE=Margaya;2373251]Judging by what I am reading so far, Rio stands no chance when compared to Bangkok or Pattaya. God! I love Thailand.[/QUOTE]Apples and Oranges. I do both and am currently in Pattaya. IMHO, As Brasileiras give you a better bang. They luv to fuk. Pattaya and Bangkok win in the abundance of options available.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2373435]Good report, Cane.

The real monger degree of difficulty skill is to find them when they are at Prives in Centro, or in the Prives in Moema, where, for $30 USD, you can bang a real porn star. Which is a pretty good thing to put on your bucket list to do over and over, and forget all the other trivial pursuits.[/QUOTE]I fucked Sheila Brown in Cancun 2 years ago, her name was BomBom. I fucked Monica Santiago as an escort in the past.

I would love to fuck Gina Valentina, she lives in the USA. She is a good Brazilian performer.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2373365]That's why she's hustling and escorting on the side to earn money and wishing that she could break into the American porn industry where more cash is to be had.[/QUOTE]That is not true at all. The only money to be had in porn is if you are the one making and selling the film. For the people in them it is simply advertising for the escort and strip club side jobs. Chicks in US porn will make $1000 - $1500, while the dudes make $500 - $1000.

I remember seeing a video where a dude pulled up beside Brian Pumper and he was driving like an old ass Ford Escort. 2 days ago there was a video of Bridget the Midget breaking windows at the basic apartment that her and her boyfriend stay in. Her car was like a yellow VW Bug or something.

You probably could have talked that chick down from 400 reais. For me it is no mystique to fuck someone just because they fucked on film. I would not consider the 400 reais a deal.

[QUOTE=Oterri;2373598]Hey guys,

I will soon be arriving in Rio and hoping to be a regular at Mabs as I plan to stay in Copacabana.

Can someone please let me know names of couple of hotels (under $75 USD) that are safe, secure and very guest friendly in Copa area, preferably close to Mabs.

Secondly I want to know if Mabs usually has some blonde or light complexioned girls available during the day time or is it a place that comes alive after sunset?

Finally, what is the deal with many Termas asking for an ID? Am I supposed to carry my passport with me all times? Or will the photocopy suffice?

I thank anyone who can answer above questions.

God Bless.[/QUOTE]In Mabs nothing in day time except drinking or eating, action begins around 10 pm.

Maybe 10 girls well past an expiration date, 2 of them even asked for a drink. Food is lackluster and overpriced, the waitress did not bring my cocktail even after the third reminder. Next day was driving by in a taxi around 11 pm, the place was packed; did not check the talent.

[QUOTE=Oterri;2373598]Hey guys,

I will soon be arriving in Rio and hoping to be a regular at Mabs as I plan to stay in Copacabana.

God Bless.[/QUOTE]

This idea was in my bucket list for quite a while.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2373435]Good report, Cane.

Indeed, the great thing about Brazil is banging a porn star for $30 USD.

The real monger degree of difficulty skill is to find them when they are at Prives in Centro, or in the Prives in Moema, where, for $30 USD, you can bang a real porn star. Which is a pretty good thing to put on your bucket list to do over and over, and forget all the other trivial pursuits.[/QUOTE]

They earn less than those in the US, the main income comes from working as an escort. They can charge much more than a regular escort due to porn portfolio. As one of them said, porn is just an ad.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2373726]That is not true at all. The only money to be had in porn is if you are the one making and selling the film. For the people in them it is simply advertising for the escort and strip club side jobs. Chicks in US porn will make $1000 - $1500, while the dudes make $500 - $1000.

I remember seeing a video where a dude pulled up beside Brian Pumper and he was driving like an old ass Ford Escort. 2 days ago there was a video of Bridget the Midget breaking windows at the basic apartment that her and her boyfriend stay in. Her car was like a yellow VW Bug or something.

You probably could have talked that chick down from 400 reais. For me it is no mystique to fuck someone just because they fucked on film. I would not consider the 400 reais a deal.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BrazilRio;2373568]Where I can find fat women? Beautiful and fat.

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/dani.mara1/?hl=en[/URL]

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/jenifer_oliveira28/[/URL][/QUOTE]Something I could never understand. You see men who love fat women, chubby chasers and their web pages and Instagram working girls. But you never see women who are searching for an obese man. I am athletic, not overweight and don't care what you do, just looking to understand why this becomes a fetish for men but not for women.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2373703]I fucked Sheila Brown in Cancun 2 years ago, her name was BomBom. I fucked Monica Santiago as an escort in the past.

I would love to fuck Gina Valentina, she lives in the USA. She is a good Brazilian performer.[/QUOTE]Joyce Oliveira when she was at 4 x 4 in '06.

[QUOTE=Bliadun;2373749]They earn less than those in the US, the main income comes from working as an escort. They can charge much more than a regular escort due to porn portfolio. As one of them said, porn is just an ad.[/QUOTE]Thanks for reading and actually comprehending what I wrote. I think. I said she would like to break into the American porn industry where she can make more money doing porn than what she does from doing porn in Brazil. Not that somehow doing porn in the States would mean no more need to escort because she would be making so much more money from the porn industry in America. She would just like to to be paid better for the porno scenes that she does. That's all I (and she) was saying.

The point is whereas an American porn actress might get $1,000 a scene, Elisa is getting only $100 for hers. So, she absolutely is hustling in the escort side of things to make ends meet since she doesn't get much from the porn here in Brazil. What Mr. E finds to be "false" about that, I don't know. If he is insinuating that I was somehow saying that working in porn in America would mean no more need to escort, that is false, as I was not. In fact, I did tell her don't think that porn stars in the States have it made or something. Most all of them struggle, and it's the people producing and selling the stuff who are in the best position to make the money.

As for what's a deal and what's not a deal, that's a matter of perspective and what you're used to. If you were just in Sao Paulo at Scandallo fucking really hot chicks for $R800 an hour (plus entrance fees and consumption fees), then next you're fucking somebody else who you find to be hot for two hours at $R400 (with no entrance fee and consumption fees), well that is definitely going to look and feel like a deal. Her rate was her rate, and I wasn't interested in trying to be a cheap bastard and talk her down and ruining the mood (and likely her willingness to perform too). She isn't making shit to begin with! If you live in the States in a city where the hottest girls want to charge $500 an hour and deliver much less service than somebody who is charging you only $100 for two hours to let you jizz in her mouth and fuck her in the ass, then yes for me that's definitely a deal (including not having to worry about the legality of it all).

I have also clearly said before that generally speaking, I have no thoughts of "mystique" about fucking porn stars. I have been with so many girls whose PSE service was so good that they themselves could be porn stars if they wanted to be. They ought to be in pictures! Hooking up with Elisa was just something new and different (had not been with a porn star before), but it hasn't changed my overall perspective at all. I'm not now all of a sudden going to start regularly seeking out porno starlets who are fucking their fans. Although, I would love to fuck Monica Santiagho LOL!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2373726]You probably could have talked that chick down from 400 reais. I would not consider the 400 reais a deal.[/QUOTE]With the current exchange rate, $R400 reals for two hours would be $50 per hour! Come on man! People really need to stop being Cheap Charlies! I pay my own bills, so at the end of the day when it comes to deciding what's a deal, when it's my cash the only opinion that matters is my own. And for me, $50 an hour to be with a hot Brazilian chick is going to be a done deal! And I'm not interested in haggling when I'm looking at a price that is ridiculously low compared to anything good I'm going to see in the States. Fifty an hour? I'm taking that. And I did!

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2373440]Out at the ole malaga motel.[/QUOTE]I think she looks better now in 2019 than she did back then Vagabundo, even with all of the tattoos LOL! Lots of enhancements and a more toned, defined build.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2373795]As for what's a deal and what's not a deal, that's a matter of perspective and what you're used to. If you were just in Sao Paulo at Scandallo fucking really hot chicks for $R800 an hour (plus entrance fees and consumption fees), then next you're fucking somebody else who you find to be hot for two hours at $R400 (with no entrance fee and consumption fees), well that is definitely going to look and feel like a deal. If you live in the States in a city where the hottest girls want to charge $500 an hour and deliver much less service than somebody who is charging you only $100 for two hours to let you jizz in her mouth and fuck her in the ass, then yes for me that's definitely a deal (including not having to worry about the legality of it all).[/QUOTE]And let's not forget those love hotel room charges in Sao Paulo either! So no entrada, no consumo, no room charge, I don't have to leave my hotel and spend cab fare to go get it, and completa (DFK, BBBJ, CIM, cunnilingus, anal sex and play) at $50 dollars an hour with a hot Brazilian girl? Uh yeah, that sounds like a deal to me! And if that deal is too rich for somebody else, then that's their problem.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2373775]Joyce Oliveira when she was at 4 x 4 in '06.[/QUOTE]Quite a few 4 x 4 girls did porn during or after their tenure there. I don't know of anyone working there currently who has shot porn scenes.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2373795]Thanks for reading and actually comprehending what I wrote. I think.

The point is whereas an American porn actress might get $1,000 a scene, Elisa is getting only $100 for hers. [b]So, she absolutely is hustling in the escort side of things to make ends meet since she doesn't get much from the porn here in Brazil.[/b] What Mr. E finds to be "false" about that, I don't know. If he is insinuating that I was somehow saying that working in porn in America would mean no more need to escort, that is false, as I was not.[/QUOTE]Sorry. I guess it gets lost in the way you keep writing it. [b]You attributed the reason to her fucking on the side to be that she does not make much in Brazilian porn[/b]. Then you say that you are not saying she still would not be doing side fucking if she worked in the American industry. So the Brazilian industry is NOT the reason she is doing side fucking., since she would do the same in another industry
[QUOTE=TheCane;2373365][b]She's not making shit for what she does[/b], and she knows it, even though she has won multiple awards as a top Brazilian porno star. [b]That's why she's hustling and escorting on the side[/b] to earn money and wishing that she could break into the American porn industry where more cash is to be had.[/QUOTE]You then go on to say that she wants to break into American porn to make more, insinuating that if she did that, then she would not longer need to fuck on the side as a supplement to a porn income.

I was just saying that she would still not make much in American porn and would have to fuck on the side regardless of which porn industry she worked in. And it costs way more to live in Los Angeles where the majority of American porn is made, than to live in Rio. Bottom line is that one is not going to make a living just by doing porn.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2374042]I was just saying that she would still not make much in American porn and would have to fuck on the side regardless of which porn industry she worked in. And it costs way more to live in Los Angeles where the majority of American porn is made, than to live in Rio. Bottom line is that one is not going to make a living just by doing porn.[/QUOTE]I understand that, and that's exactly what I told her, and she seemed to have no clue. She said, "I didn't know that". Geez! But stop and think about it a minute. To earn $1,000 a shoot like a top star in the States would be to earn 10 times what she earns in Brazil for a shoot with the same star status in her country! Now, who wouldn't want to earn 10 times their pay for their job? I know I would! As you say, there is the reality of the cost of living though.

But then again, think about it some more. Suppose she only did one shoot a week, earning $1,000 a shoot. That's $4,000 in a month. Many honest, hardworking people don't earn that much. You won't get rich, which is what I told her, but you can more than survive in LA off of that. To make "comfortable money", I agree with you that she would have to fuck on the side. Do stripping (which she mentioned). Show up at shows and conventions and sign autographs. Sell stuff online. It's a lot of hard work, and how many girls can really keep all of that going for how long? Before their bodies and souls start to break down?

Porno stars, especially the women, mostly have a short shelf-life. They are a dime a dozen! Used up and thrown away. I told her to not keep holding on to some false dream of making it big and getting rich off of doing porn in America. There are plenty of others who have come and gone before her. Used up, trashed, and left broken. Hell, I think it would be better to quit the porn altogether if one can, and just be totally independent doing the escorting. Or, maybe get behind the camera versus in front of it. But even then, it's a cut throat industry, and you really have to work to set yourself apart to be successful and make some money, even from behind the camera.

[QUOTE=Bliadun;2373745]This idea was in my bucket list for quite a while.[/QUOTE]What a mess with p stars?

What stars? They're just girls who fuck in front of cam.

If you want porn"stars"than go to Sao Paulo.

No one of them works at prives in centro.

For me the best one was Monica Santhiago when she was in her prime about 10 years ago.

The one I like is funky bunda mulher melancia.

Enternational got point greetings from VM.

I recently had a two-hour session in my hotel room with a "ruiva" named Sophia. I have a weakness for attractive redheads, so when I saw her ad, I decided to give her a try. I'm glad I did. Sophia has been featuring on [URL]www.riosexsite.com[/URL]. You can't see her face there, but when she showed up, I was satisfied with her total appearance, including her pretty face. I have found Rio Sex Site to be one of the best escort sites I have tried anywhere in the world. This is also where I found Elisa Sanches. The pictures have been legit, the girls are active (not lots of stale or fake ads and photos), and the girls I contacted on the site (a handful) all got back to me. I have sessioned with two from there, and I have been pleased with both of them. I turned down one of the hot blondes because she told me she didn't do anal, and I really wanted anal from her if I was going to do her. At least she was honest.

At 22 years of age, Sophia is a very young university student, but I can tell you that she has a solid head on her shoulders, and is enjoying what she's doing! I was very impressed with her intelligence, thoughtfulness, and aim to please. She was a little vixen in bed too who gave good BBBJ / CIM service, and liked a good, hard pounding from multiple positions. Lots of kissing too for those of you who require DFK. We did not do anal, but she will consider it on a case-by-case basis. Depends on size. Now, I like to spend some time talking to these girls if I can. I always learn something interesting, including things about themselves, their family life, why they're escorting, stuff about the sex the industry, and what their plans are for the future.

For example, she explained to me that one reason why Rio Sex Site is one of the best is because the girls have to pay $R700 (I believe that's monthly) to keep an ad posted on there, whereas some other sites are garbage and full of fakes because it's free to advertise on them. An ad fee of $R700 is considered to be expensive in Brazil, so if you see a girl on Rio Sex Site, then she's one of the ones who is serious about what she's doing, and she's making good money to be able to consistently afford to advertise her services. Sophia has been escorting for about a year now, and may seek to take a break by the end of the current university academic year. I rate her overall appearance a 7, and her performance an 8. If interested, you can get her contact details at [URL]www.riosexsite.com[/URL].

C'mon Man! Don't bust The Cane's chops over a throwaway comment. He writes a lot (mostly good stuff) and I understood what he was trying to say.

I'm not sure he realizes that most porn girls don't make a lot of money from filming. I'm not even sure they make $1,000 per scene, but it's not worth analyzing.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2374108]C'mon Man! Don't bust The Cane's chops over a throwaway comment. He writes a lot (mostly good stuff) and I understood what he was trying to say. I'm not sure he realizes that most porn girls don't make a lot of money from filming. I'm not even sure they make $1,000 per scene, but it's not worth analyzing.[/QUOTE]Actually, I do understand that, although I can honestly say I didn't know that it was as low as $100 in Brazil or Mexico. And you're right about even the $1,000. Only a bigger, established star in the States is going to get that kind of money. I do know some things about the American porn industry believe me. A lot in fact! I research and read about that shit LOL!

What irks me more is comments about how much a monger pays, and it's why I rarely talk about prices. I mean, I think that sometimes people are just a bit much. So, I pay $R800 an hour for a hot tute at Scandallo in Sao Paulo, and that's way too much for some guys. OK, I get it. Then I get to Rio, and now I'm paying half that at $R400 (less than half really if you include the entrada, consumo, and love hotel charge), but getting twice as much time for "completa" service per Brazilian standards, and still that's too much? Give me a break. Look, that's 10 times less than what I would pay per hour in my American city for what I like, with far greater service!

And the clinicas? OK yes, they are a deal money-wise, but only if you like mostly 5's and 6's. I don't, and I'm not going to come all the way to Brazil just to bang 5's and 6's. I've been to enough clinicas already to know that nobody is going to get away with telling me that the same high optics found in the nightclubs can be found with consistency in the clinicas too. It cannot, as I have seen with my own eyes, so I pay what I can afford to in order to acquire what I want. And that's to fuck lots of pretty girls (7's and up) in their butt holes!

Another thing I want to point out too. It's not just tourist money that is propping up clubs like Scandallo and Cafe Photo. Places like that would not last without Brazilian men patronizing them with their money too. As has been said many times before, there is sometimes a tendency to overvalue the importance of tourist money when it comes to the impact of mongering in any economy. You ordinarily need the locals to be in on it first, or else the business cannot be sustained, and it will fold. If you go to a place like Scandallo, it's mostly Brazilian people in there who are spending the money on eating, drinking, and fucking. Not a gringo tourist like me.

Mongering is like politics in that first and foremost, it's all local. If there is no local skin (cash) in the game, then in most normal circumstances a place like a Scandallo or a Cafe Photo or a Bomboa is going to fail and have to close its doors. Don't blame the tourists mongers for those high Scandallo prices. Blame it on the locals! And if you too want to play with them, then you got to pay! Up!

I went to Solarium last weekend. For whatever reason, I've always liked to visit Solarium on a Saturday. Saturday is Solarium day, so that's when I went. I got there early around 6:30 pm with one thought on my mind. Tonight, I'm feeling like a blonde. I'm wanting a loira branca for anal sex. Solarium has a reputation for being a terma where you can find blondes, and with good reason. However, I was disappointed on the night that I went. I saw only three. One was way too heavy, the other one just did not appeal to me physically, and the third one was just too much of an obvious fake who wasn't pulling it off well. No blondes for The Cane on that night.

The vibe in the boite was good though! Much better than the depressing scene I found at Centaurus. The bar area for Solarium is really tiny though, so it doesn't take much to fill it up. When I arrived, I would say there were twelve girls there, and maybe about what? Ten guys? Within a couple of hours, there were at least 25 girls there, and maybe 20 clients. A large group of Japanese men came in, so that helped. The most attractive girl there according to my standards was this really pretty morena. An easy solid 8 on my scale. The problem was that I had just had that the night before at Centaurus. Well, Taish at Centaurus turned out to be a branca with a really deep, deep tan (so harmful to her skin), but hell she looked just like a morena. I mean she and the one I was eyeing at Solarium looked like they could have been related.

Not seeing the blondie I was looking for, and not wanting to repeat with somebody who looked like what I had enjoyed the night before, I settled in with some drinks and a couple of appetizers to see who might show up. After a few hours of waiting and seeing, nobody I wanted showed, so I decided to cut out of there and come back to the hotel. I went up to the hotel bar to have a look around when I got back. I had heard that sometimes ladies of the evening could be found up there. I didn't see any, but granted it was still quite early in the evening. It was cold and window up there, so I decided to just go for a nice long walk along Avenida Atlantica. This is something I like to do in Rio. I walked all the way down to MABS, where I chose to stop and order a couple of more appetizers. Well, they call them appetizers at these restaurants, but some of the portions are just so huge that I can't finish them all. Of course, being a monger, I took some time time check out the talent. Although still kind of early, there was some talent on the stroll. Maybe as many as 10 tutes, and there were about 3 or 4 of them that I thought were kind of cute! Solid 7's. One of them winked at me as I ate my food LOL! There were also some clearly fat and washed up ones. I wasn't seeing anything good enough to keep my interest. Ate, paid, and out of there!

After paying up at MABS, I decided to roll over to Barbarella. This is another one of those "love" or "hate to love" places for most Rio mongers (primarily the latter I think). On my very first trip to Rio way back when, this place used to be packed to the gills with tricks and tutes! And I'm talking you could find 8's and 9's up in there, with an occasional 10. My routine was I would go to Help and not see anybody I liked, then get myself over to Barbarella where I could pull somebody late to take back to my hotel room for sexual relations, usually an attractive blonde. Well on this night, oh man how depressing! Even worse than at Centaurus! Maybe only 5 bored girls, and not even that many men on average at any one time! I did see a blonde who came in after a while. She looked good from a distance. But when I finally got her attention and got her to come to my table, her face looked kind of "used up" and past its prime, and she reeked of really bad cigarette smoke from head to toe. Nope! Not about to happen. Looks like this is going to be a bust of a night.

I finished up my two drinks and headed back to the hotel. I was thinking. Thinking, thinking, thinking! Something is missing in Rio now. Something is "wrong". Is it the place? Or, is it me? I actually think it's a little bit of both. Yes, I guess that with a certain amount of trips, the novelty and the excitement can wear off. But, I think it's more than that though. That "vibe". It's missing. It's gone. And the talent. It's not as good as when I first came. I'm talking about finding 8's and 9's at termas like Centaurus and Monte Carlo. At Barbarella too, even if some guys did view it as kind of a "clip joint". I don't know. I'm just not having the kind of a mind-blowing time in Rio as I have in the past. I don't know. Maybe it's time to think about taking a break from coming to Rio again for awhile. I just don't know. Maybe the scene in and around Copacabana really is on its death knell. I hope things will be better in Centro. If I go to 4 X 4 and find that sucks too, then I know it will be time to blow this popsicle stand!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2374176]I went to Solarium last weekend. For whatever reason, I've always liked to visit Solarium on a Saturday. Saturday is Solarium day, so that's when I went. I got there early around 6:30 pm with one thought on my mind. Tonight, I'm feeling like a blonde. I'm wanting a loira branca for anal sex. Solarium has a reputation for being a terma where you can find blondes, and with good reason. However, I was disappointed on the night that I went. I saw only three. One was way too heavy, the other one just did not appeal to me physically, and the third one was just too much of an obvious fake who wasn't pulling it off well. No blondes for The Cane on that night.

The vibe in the boite was good though! Much better than the depressing scene I found at Centaurus. The bar area for Solarium is really tiny though, so it doesn't take much to fill it up. When I arrived, I would say there were twelve girls there, and maybe about what? Ten guys? Within a couple of hours, there were at least 25 girls there, and maybe 20 clients. A large group of Japanese men came in, so that helped. The most attractive girl there according to my standards was this really pretty morena. An easy solid 8 on my scale. The problem was that I had just had that the night before at Centaurus. Well, Taish at Centaurus turned out to be a branca with a really deep, deep tan (so harmful to her skin), but hell she looked just like a morena. I mean she and the one I was eyeing at Solarium looked like they could have been related.[/QUOTE]The trill is gone baby.

I got you you're right it's not like 10-15 years ago and it never will be.

4 x 4 or any other place is the same no more 9's and 10's.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2374143]What irks me more is comments about how much a monger pays, and it's why I rarely talk about prices. I mean, I think that sometimes people are just a bit much. So, I pay $R800 an hour for a hot tute at Scandallo in Sao Paulo, and that's way too much for some guys. OK, I get it. Then I get to Rio, and now I'm paying half that at $R400 (less than half really if you include the entrada, consumo, and love hotel charge), but getting twice as much time for "completa" service per Brazilian standards, and still that's too much?[/QUOTE]Don't worry about it. Paying Reais $400 completa for a hot escort is the going rate. If she's a porn star, that's a bonus.

I agree with you on the clinicas. If this was the SP thread, we might start a war.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2374448]Don't worry about it. Paying Reais $400 completa for a hot escort is the going rate. If she's a porn star, that's a bonus.

I agree with you on the clinicas. If this was the SP thread, we might start a war.[/QUOTE]If you can't afford to pay your own ride from the airport and shack up with hags to save money, I can understand that 400 Reais may be a lot for you. Seems The Cane is doing just fine. Certainly appreciate the reports.

As for me, I paid 450 Euros at a place in Switzerland for a romantic fantasy with a Brazilian nota doze. The room was fantastic as was the experience. I would do it again tomorrow. On the other hand, I have been to Vila Mimosa once and have no plans to return.

[QUOTE=Dave1111;2284716]This tipping bullshit is out of control. They see westerners as stupid and weak and that's why they do it.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ExecTalent;2374484]If you can't afford to pay your own ride from the airport and shack up with hags to save money, I can understand that 400 Reais may be a lot for you. Seems The Cane is doing just fine. Certainly appreciate the reports.

As for me, I paid 450 Euros at a place in Switzerland for a romantic fantasy with a Brazilian nota doze. The room was fantastic as was the experience. I would do it again tomorrow. On the other hand, I have been to Vila Mimosa once and have no plans to return.[/QUOTE]People pay what they want to pay. If it makes you feel better to pay 800 R or 400 R, then "do you," because that is where you are at in your head. But for each of you that overpays, there are as many who pay the same girl half, and some who pay nothing. In my case, I decided that paying nothing is too expensive. However, I know, I always know when I am paying too much because you lose respect from the girl. Just like Dave1111 said. So actually when you pay too much, you get less. Also someone said they pay 10 x amore than 400 R in their home US city. 4000 R or $1000 Usd. I have a lot of money but I could never pay that. Ever - because even though I have lots of $ now, I grew up poor and could never shake that. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]

[QUOTE=Putero1;2374554]Also someone said they pay 10 x amore than 400 R in their home US city. 4000 R or $1000 Usd. I have a lot of money but I could never pay that. Ever - because even though I have lots of $ now, I grew up poor and could never shake that.[/QUOTE]To correct the record, I did not say that I actually pay 10 times as much. I said it would cost 10 times as much in my city for the top talent per my tastes. What it costs and what I'm willing to pay are two different things. I absolutely don't pay that. I go to Brazil instead and pay 10 times less (yes, that's a good deal in my mind)! And you've got the math wrong. What the porn star charged me here in Rio was $R400 (not $R4000) for two hours (not one). So, that's roughly $50 per hour. Using that as the hourly rate then, 10 times as much would be $500 per hour, not the $1,000 you stated. Either way, whether it's $1,000 per hour or $500 per hour, I'm not paying that kind of money out to a tute either! Would rather load up on much cheaper sex during a nice vacation somewhere, which I'm going to be taking anyway.

A certain stench wafted in the air as I ascended the staircase into Termas 502. Yes, now we've taken a step closer into the dirty underbelly of mongering in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. It will be totally worth it if I can find another "unicorn" up in here I reminded myself. You see, during my first several trips to Rio, I pretty much stuck with the Tier 1 termas. It took me a while to venture out and step off of the beaten path into more unknown territory, especially for tourists. And when I did, man was I rewarded!

Her name was Gabby (pictured), and she was totally everything I like most when it comes to a branca. Really pretty face, long blonde hair, big eyelashes, attractive nails, nice stature, and a big booty! Plus dirty, nasty in the room! Gabby seemed to be totally out of place in a club like 502. Not just that she was a branca, but that she was so, so much hotter than any other tute who was there (a 9 on my scale). What's she doing here I thought? She was with somebody else when I arrived, and at the same time looking over and grinning at me. Dude left with her to go for a session. I was determined to get on her next, and I did too! When she came back, I literally competed with other mongers in there to get here attention, and I was the lucky winner. And this girl starts to rock my world immediately, looking me dead in the eye and saying, "I like Black Label. And tonight, you are going to be my Black Label"! Damn these Brazilian tutes say and do the darndest things LOL! No question but that I was going to session with Gabby, and after a few drinks we were up in the room fucking. Gabby put on a good PSE performance, saying and doing the kind of stuff I like, including getting butt fucked. When we both got back to the boite, Gabby gave me a big wet kiss. Then, it could not have been more than 5 minutes before she was going to do another room with another horny monger. The girl was hot! She made all our dicks get hard LOL! Glad I had my turn on her.

So every since that time, I have always made it point when in Rio to stop in on 502 at least once. Just to see if I can find me another Gabby. Another unicorn. But sadly, each time I have failed! On this particular Monday in September 2019, I would say there were about 12 girls there when I arrived early around 6:30 pm. That number remained pretty steady for the couple of hours that I remained. I would say that at least 3 or 4 of the girls rated about a 7. But the others were simply just mostly unattractive or fat. After a while, one of the girls sat next to me, and asked me on Google Translate if I was waiting for somebody in particular. I replied, "Yes, I am. The rare unicorn". She playfully hit me on the arm hehehe! I was willing to hang in there a few hours. Have some drinks. See what might happen. Will the unicorn show up? But alas, no unicorns in 502 on this night! Maybe it was a once and only, never to happen again, kind of thing. I'm feeling like Linus during Halloween waiting for the Great Pumpkin LOL!

I wasn't willing to spend all night waiting around for a unicorn to show at Termas 502. Finished several drinks and got out of there. I decided to take a walk up Rua do Alfandega, just to see what I might find. As I walked along, I heard some loud music blaring from another bar. I thought to myself, "There's some pussy in that place. I know it. A monger just knows where and how to sniff out the pussy, and I know there's some pussy up them stairs"! The staircase was long and steep, just like at 502. Got up there, and sure enough it was a pussy place! I had no clue what the name of it was, so I used Google Translate to ask one of the 5 or so tutes in there. She didn't seem to know herself, and had to ask somebody! She then typed in "119 Showhouse". Like I said, there were maybe 5 tutes there, with the optics ranging from about 7 to butt ugly (like the one who I asked about the name since she was unoccupied with a client). There was no entrada fee, and a bottle of beer was $R10. There was a pricing chart on the wall. I saw that 1 hour with a girl was listed at $R160. That's about $40 USD. Low price, but also low quality. The ugly one who I asked about the name of the bar asked me if I wanted to fuck, or was I just there to drink. I assured her that it was the latter LOL! Had my one cerveja, took a leak, and left.

OK, so now what am I going to do? I realized that I had not eaten all day, and I was hungry. I did not see too many places around that I was familiar with. There was some open-air Brazilian place, but I wanted to make sure I went someplace where I would like what I bought. There was a McDonald's around the way, so I went to that. Ate. Now what? Well, I knew there were other joints in the Centro area that I could go to in the evening. But, for some reason, I just wasn't "feeling" it. I wasn't feeling Rio. This is supposed to be my number 1 mongering destination, but things are "off". I decided to retreat back to my room. Come back to fight another day. Tomorrow. See if I can do something then to rekindle the magic. Like this guy (and VilaMimosa) said, maybe it's true:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPlsqo2bk2M&list=RDBPlsqo2bk2M&start_radio=1&t=5[/URL]

Quatro por Quatro (4 X 4) has traditionally been my favorite termas in Rio. I always knew that the place would provide some of my top memorable moments from any particular trip, so I always made sure to plan for at least two visits to 4 X 4 per trip. You could always count on the place getting packed (I had been in there at times when people were standing shoulder to shoulder) with plenty of really pretty 8's and 9's, plus the occasional 10. And as has been mentioned, a number of the hot 4 X 4 girls were shooting porn. But even if they weren't, I'll say it again just one more time. They should have been LOL! I'm talking some really smoking hot girls who would leave you with sexual memories to last a lifetime.

I returned now to this famous place with trepidation after all that I had been reading on the internet. That even 4 X4 is no more. Could it really be true? Well, if it is, then maybe it's time to ease up on going to Rio for awhile. So, I catch a cab to take me downtown to Rua Buenos Aires where the club is located. And what would my posts of late be without another "dumb taxi driver" story! Right? So the cabbie says he knows where it is. Everything is going along fine, until his ass misses the turn! That might not have been so bad in ordinary traffic, but the traffic wasn't ordinary. He misses the turn and has to go around, and we run smack dab into a huge, huge, huge traffic jam! Big buses, cars, motorbikes. Everything. We're sitting there and we're stuck in the middle of it all, and I'm starting to get steamed! While I'm sitting here fucking with this guy, all of the prettiest snatch in the club is most certainly being snatched up! Finally, I tell the taxi driver that I'm going to get out and walk the rest of the way. He's like don't worry, I will stop the meter at $R40. I won't charge you more than that. Well, that was missing the point for me. No way in hell was I going to sit there in that jam that was probably going to take at least 30 minutes for us to pass through. I paid the $R40, got out and waked the remainder of the way. Grrrrrr!

OK, so I get in there and get changed. Step into the boite around 7:30 pm on a Tuesday, and the crowd size isn't that bad. I order a couple of drinks and have a seat. Plenty of eyes are on me, and I'm not liking what I'm seeing as I peer back! Oh man, I'm afraid it's appearing to be true! The talent pool just isn't living up to past standards. It was hard to say how many girls were there at that time. I don't know. Maybe 30+ at least, and I didn't see anybody at first I found attractive! Oh man! Not 4 X 4 too! Not my 4 X 4! Well there was one. A dark-haired blonde, but she was taken (told you any of the good snatch would be taken). I decided to take a harder look and try to be "fair". Walk around and really try to be a fair judge. Was it just me or what? I concluded no, it was not "just me". I've always had high standards. At least according to me hahaha! And, too many of these girls just aren't pretty! They're not "banging hot" like what I used to see in Quatro. Obviously not every girl was like that, but I would see so many hot ones that I knew I could not possibly hump them all during one trip. If somebody you liked was taken, no problem as there were several more ready and waiting for a monger!

I took a hard look, and according to my tastes, I would say that most of the girls I was seeing were around a 7, but with lots of 6's thrown in. And to be fair, I saw a handful of 8's. But, it was like if the body was right, then the face was wrong. Or vice versa. Or both! I really wasn't seeing anybody I wanted to do at all, and I feared that history was about to be made. The Cane was going to go to Quatro por Quatro, and leave without fucking anybody! What a sad passing of events that was going to be. The thrill is gone! Even at Quatro por Quatro! It was now 9 pm, and the talent wasn't getting any better. I had been approached by a few fuglies. I did my best to get rid of them, including lying if I had to. One fugly said she was from Venezuela and spoke Spanish. She asked me if I spoke it, and I said no hahaha! Also got some looks and smiles from 7's, but not quite what I was looking for optics-wise. You can always hold out hope that somebody, somehow or some way, will show up a little later in the night to save the evening. I was not optimistic though. I told myself I would have another drink, and that if things didn't seem to be picking up by 10 pm, then I'm going to leave. Defeated. But then my brothers, that's when she walked in. "Good Charlotte".

This tute immediately stood out from all of the others. Long, light blonde hair. Pale, very white skin. Super pink nipples on her nice sized titties. And a Brazilian "donk" like you would not believe! No branca has any business wielding around a caboose like that! Whew! Whoever she was, this one was looking like what I had sought after at Solarium over the previous weekend for having anal sex, but did not find. The issue was her face. I wasn't sure if I liked it enough to give her a passing mark for "face control". She was moving around in the boite. I moved around to try to size up the quality of her face. I knew she had the body, but what about that face? After some close up inspection of her face, I gave the big booty branca an overall rating of 7 (only her face stopped her from getting an 8). But a 7 was a good enough overall score to pass, and make The Cane want to get up into that big, plump ass!

I invited the girl to sit next to me, and she introduced herself as Charlotte. We hit it off immediately! Charlotte spoke not only Portuguese, but also English, Spanish, and German. So no problems communicating at all. Speaking of German, she said that her father was German and her mother Brazilian, and that explained her looks. I said yeah, all of you looks German, except for your Brazilian bum bum! Charlotte laughed and acknowledged. She told me that she had lots of family on her German side living in metro Frankfurt, Germany, and that she was born in the south of Brazil. Well I'll be damned! Frankfurt! If I can't be in Frankfurt at a German FKK, then how about bring the German FKK to me in Brazil LOL! And why not? The action in Brazil, at least in Rio, is kind of tanking right now if you ask me. Those fucking bullshit Olympics started this whole entire decline! And its been steady ever since!

I ended up going with Charlotte for a 1 1/2 hour session. It was supposed to be for a hour, but the head of my dong had just managed to penetrate into her tight, snow bunny anus just as the phone rang calling time on the session! No way was I about to let her butt hole escape from that room for the night! Not yet! Not going to happen! But, let me back up for a minute. Charlotte was down for BBBJ / CIM. Her technique was nice, and she tried very hard, but I couldn't quite get there to bust in her mouth. After some kissing and sucking, we got into some cowgirl fucking. Charlotte's pussy was moist and tight, and that got me to the first nut. While fucking, I told her how I only fuck the best, and that her blonde, German pussy was the best hahaha! So, then some pillow talk, and an OK massage. I let the massage run a bit long since it felt good. Then time for anal penetration! Charlotte got on all fours, and man was her dark pink booty hole tight! I had to take my time working the head of my into her chute. And like I said, just about the time I got into her butt hole good, the fucking phone rang (my fault as the long massage contributed to this)!

No problem, we got another half hour so I could finish the deed. My dick stayed hard while Charlotte left the room to say that we wanted more time. I just kept thinking about how I had the head of my boner inside of that pretty branca's arsehole, and how I was going to enjoy her anus some more when she returned. This time though, I had Charlotte lay on her back so that we could do missionary anal. Still had some trouble getting into her anal channel, until she used a pillow to lift her hips up, then I was in! I asked Charlotte did she like that dick in her ass? I told her that I like to fuck pretty, blonde brancas just like her in the ass the most, and that her "culito" was good. "Good Charlotte" LOL! I buggered Charlotte deep, looking directly into her eyes while I was doing it, and talking junk about cornholing only the prettiest girls. That only the prettiest ones will do for anal sex with The Cane. Charlotte was looking right back at me and starting to moan and cry out as I dicked her up her butt hole harder, and deeper, and faster. Starting to ride her rough! Riding roughshod "gauco-style" along her pretty, gaucha ass tract! The thing is, when I get turned on from anal sex, it actually becomes harder and harder for me to cum! I just stay hard and feel like I could keep buggering the girl I'm with all night long! My dick was staying hard, and at no time did I feel like I was getting close to a "nut". But alas, all things eventually must come to an end. I was starting to get tired. I continued to butt fuck Charlotte in anal missionary-style until I got tired enough that I had to stop, leaving my dick in her anus to slowly grow soft, and gently slip out of her tight pooty pocket.

More pillow talk. The exchanging of contact information. Charlotte says she plans to go see family in Frankfurt early next year. She makes me promise to write to her. We get cleaned up. Kisses. Charlotte says she's done for the night and going back to her place. Me too. Goodnight, my Good Charlotte. Thanks for saving this night. Maybe the thrill hasn't completely gone away yet. Maybe it's more like going going! And then gone (maybe)? Keep hope alive!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2374812]So, I catch a cab to take me downtown to Rua Buenos Aires where the club is located. And what would my posts of late be without another "dumb taxi driver" story! Right? So the cabbie says he knows where it is. Everything is going along fine, until his ass misses the turn![/QUOTE]Use Uber to avoid that situation. You don't need to enter credit card info. You can pay in cash. Turn on your phones GPS, and enter the name or address of your destination. If you cancel after 5 min, Uber will ding ya.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2374894]Use Uber to avoid that situation. You don't need to enter credit card info. You can pay in cash. Turn on your phones GPS, and enter the name or address of your destination. If you cancel after 5 min, Uber will ding ya.[/QUOTE]Mmmm, though I use UBER frequently and like the service, UBER guys can, have and will, get lost as well, or "miss the turn".

[QUOTE=TheCane;2374812]Maybe the thrill hasn't completely gone away yet. Maybe it's more like going going! And then gone (maybe)? Keep hope alive![/QUOTE]Great reporting Mr. Cane!

Keep up TRs coming!

I am bit confused by termas like 4 x 4 and how they operate as compared to plain brothels. Do I really have to change clothes, get a locker, buy a drink blah blah or can I just pay the entry fee, check out the quality, say Hello, to one or two girls I like and proceed to room to do the deed?

Secondly can somebody please advise me if mid range ($50 to $75 USD) hotels in Copacabana area are guest friendly usually or are there any recommendations for any hotels that have large and busy lobbies which make it easier for guests to sneak in girls to the rooms without facing the reception?

Thank you.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2374812]I invited the girl to sit next to me, and she introduced herself as Charlotte. We hit it off immediately! Charlotte spoke not only Portuguese, but also English, Spanish, and German. So no problems communicating at all. Speaking of German, she said that her father was German and her mother Brazilian, and that explained her looks. I said yeah, all of you looks German, except for your Brazilian bum bum! Charlotte laughed and acknowledged. [/QUOTE]I think I'm friends with her on IG.

Now charlotte has the type of ass that I fly 10 hours to smack! Great write up!!

Talking to the girl for a couple of minutes is in your best interests. With the clothes change and small talk, you can be in the room in 10 minutes after entering the terma.

[QUOTE=Plan77;2374942]I am bit confused by termas like 4 x 4 and how they operate as compared to plain brothels. Do I really have to change clothes, get a locker, buy a drink blah blah or can I just pay the entry fee, check out the quality, say Hello, to one or two girls I like and proceed to room to do the deed?

Thank you.[/QUOTE]

While on the way to other establishments in Rio, a couple of taxi drivers mentioned the clubs Marrakesh and White House in Copa. Anybody have any intel regarding these two places? The cab drivers said they were supposed to be good, but I'm always a little skeptical about places I have read no reviews about. Any knowledgeable intel would be appreciated.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2374812] "Good Charlotte"

This tute immediately stood out from all of the others. Long, light blonde hair. Pale, very white skin. Super pink nipples on her nice sized titties. And a Brazilian "donk" like you would not believe! No branca has any business wielding around a caboose like that! Whew! Whoever she was, this one was looking like what I had sought after at Solarium over the previous weekend for having anal sex, but did not find. The issue was her face. I wasn't sure if I liked it enough to give her a passing mark for "face control". She was moving around in the boite. I moved around to try to size up the quality of her face. I knew she had the body, but what about that face? After some close up inspection of her face, I gave the big booty branca an overall rating of 7 (only her face stopped her from getting an 8). But a 7 was a good enough overall score to pass, and make The Cane want to get up into that big, plump ass![/QUOTE]Thanks for the report and especially the photo. A photo is very helpful and makes it so much easier to get an idea of what the girls look like. Charlotte looked really nice in the photo and I just arrived to Brazil a couple of days ago so I went to 4 x 4 yesterday to check out Charlotte. When I arrived she was busy in a room and I was told that she would come downstairs in 5 -10 minutes and so she did. Charlotte definitely has a big ass and she got busy right away talking to a guy, and not more than 10 minutes later she went upstairs to the room with the guy. I spent a few hours in 4 x 4 and everytime that I saw Charlotte coming back from a session with a guy she immediately got busy with another guy, and she never stayed in the main area more than 10 minutes. Very popular girl, that is for sure. I never took Charlotte to the room because to me her ass looked a little fake, like she enhanced it with silicon or something like that. Many girls in 4 x 4 has fake asses that are enhanced and I never liked that. Brazilian guys seems to like it a lot though! I don't know if Charlottes ass really was enhanced or not but it looked so to me anyway. It could be due to the fact that she was not exactly 20 years old and a little older and that the shape of her ass turned into look like that because of her age.

I prefer girls age 18 - 22 and it is rare to find such young girls in 4 x 4, as most of the girls seems to be around 30 years old and some even a little older than that. But to my surprise I got lucky yestarday in 4 x 4 and I found a very hot 19 yo girl named Barbara. When I approached her she immediately responded nicely and started to touch and stroke me which was nice. Barbara looked really good with both nice ass and tits and she was beautiful too. So there was nothing to hesitate about and I took her for a one hour session. I really liked my time with her and she was nice in the room and was up for some kissing as well. If I am with a beautiful 19 yo girl the kissing part is very important to me. Barbara was so hot that I ended up having sex two times with her during the one hour session and I came good both times. She told me that before 4 x 4 she used to work in some massage place in Barra de Tijuca and she did some tantric massage to me which she did good and I enjoyed it a lot. I will definitely come back to repeat with Barbara in 4 x 4!

Who's in-country for Rock in Rio?

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2375500]Who's in-country for Rock in Rio?[/QUOTE]I am, but in the wrong city! Didn't even think about it when I was making my travel plans way back when. Otherwise, I would have probably changed my itinerary. The lineup looks good. The majority of the Rio tutes I was with said they were going LOL.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2375484]While on the way to other establishments in Rio, a couple of taxi drivers mentioned the clubs Marrakesh and White House in Copa. Anybody have any intel regarding these two places?[/QUOTE]My post, #20255. Beautiful, young blond was there when I went. Easily the best of the lot. Unfortunately she only plays in-house, no take-out.

I hope to check out 4 x4 and may be one or two other termas. Can someone please clarify how thewhole thing works. So far from what I have read, it seems like, you have to be buzzed in, dor man will note down your ID (I guess foreign driving license or photocopy of passport should be OK).

I am not clear about next steps. Do you go to reception and get a safe to store your clothes etc.

Or can you just roam around in whatever clothes you came, buy a drink, survey the scene and make the move?

Can the experienced mongers please clarify? Thank you, in advance.

[QUOTE=Plan77;2375875]I hope to check out 4 x4 and may be one or two other termas. Can someone please clarify how thewhole thing works. So far from what I have read, it seems like, you have to be buzzed in, dor man will note down your ID (I guess foreign driving license or photocopy of passport should be OK).

I am not clear about next steps. Do you go to reception and get a safe to store your clothes etc.

Or can you just roam around in whatever clothes you came, buy a drink, survey the scene and make the move?

Can the experienced mongers please clarify? Thank you, in advance.[/QUOTE]Simple and straight forward.

Walk in. Go to reception. Get a key. Change clothes in locker room. Buy a drink. Pick a girl. Fuck - get dressed. Pay your bill. Leave.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2376017]Simple and straight forward.

Walk in. Go to reception. Get a key. Change clothes in locker room. Buy a drink. Pick a girl. Fuck - get dressed. Pay your bill. Leave.[/QUOTE]I like your to the point, no nonsense answer. Thanks a lot.

So on RioSexSite there are their phone numbers but seems they are not on WhatsApp? Do I need to wait until I arrive or do they use another App? Thought could warm them up before I arrive. To save doing that ground work on arrival.

S.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2374070]I recently had a two-hour session in my hotel room with a "ruiva" named Sophia. I have a weakness for attractive redheads, so when I saw her ad, I decided to give her a try. I'm glad I did. Sophia has been featuring on [URL]www.riosexsite.com[/URL]. You can't see her face there, but when she showed up, I was satisfied with her total appearance, including her pretty face. I have found Rio Sex Site to be one of the best escort sites I have tried anywhere in the world. This is also where I found Elisa Sanches. The pictures have been legit, the girls are active (not lots of stale or fake ads and photos), and the girls I contacted on the site (a handful) all got back to me. I have sessioned with two from there, and I have been pleased with both of them. I turned down one of the hot blondes because she told me she didn't do anal, and I really wanted anal from her if I was going to do her. At least she was honest.

At 22 years of age, Sophia is a very young university student, but I can tell you that she has a solid head on her shoulders, and is enjoying what she's doing! I was very impressed with her intelligence, thoughtfulness, and aim to please. She was a little vixen in bed too who gave good BBBJ / CIM service, and liked a good, hard pounding from multiple positions. Lots of kissing too for those of you who require DFK. We did not do anal, but she will consider it on a case-by-case basis..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Stickshifter69;2376171]So on RioSexSite there are their phone numbers but seems they are not on WhatsApp? Do I need to wait until I arrive or do they use another App? Thought could warm them up before I arrive. To save doing that ground work on arrival.

S.[/QUOTE]Click on the box with the green circle and white telephone symbol in it. That will give you a WhatsApp number.

Hi guys,

Would going to Brazil in Rio soon and was wondering what are the best hotels and most discrete. Also what are the best and safest spot to pick up the best chicas? And what are the prices like.

[QUOTE=Juan50;2376687]Hi guys,

Would going to Brazil in Rio soon and was wondering what are the best hotels and most discrete. Also what are the best and safest spot to pick up the best chicas? And what are the prices like.[/QUOTE]From reading the last 50 posts, who would have known there were girls in Rio or from the different threads here, where to find them or the cost. Maybe the garotas are being discreet.

[QUOTE=Juan50;2376687]Hi guys,

Would going to Brazil in Rio soon and was wondering what are the best hotels and most discrete. Also what are the best and safest spot to pick up the best chicas? And what are the prices like.[/QUOTE]Click on the box with the green circle and white telephone symbol in it.

[QUOTE=Juan50;2376687]Hi guys,

Would going to Brazil in Rio soon and was wondering what are the best hotels and most discrete. Also what are the best and safest spot to pick up the best chicas? And what are the prices like.[/QUOTE]Put in some work first. . RTFF. The answers are here. .

[QUOTE=UniversalX;2377092]Put in some work first. . RTFF. The answers are here. .[/QUOTE]I have a feeling its the same guy who just keeps creating new accounts and asking the same questions every few months. One month he is from England, another month her is from Russia, maybe Juan is from Spain. LOL! I wish there was a way the moderator could ban his IP address.

I am not clear if anal price is displayed at places like copa 583 and similar places or is this something you have to negotiate with girl privately? Is this something you are supposed to ask the girls when they introduce themselves in a line up? Can someone please tell me. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Oterri;2378033]I am not clear if anal price is displayed at places like copa 583 and similar places or is this something you have to negotiate with girl privately? Is this something you are supposed to ask the girls when they introduce themselves in a line up? Can someone please tell me. Thanks.[/QUOTE]No extra charge for anal. Just ask the girl if she does it before you go upstairs because not all women will do anal. And please don't be that stupid ass gringo that goes in an offers tips for her to do anal or take pictures!! I hate those dumb asses who mess it up for everyone!!

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2375486]Thanks for the report and especially the photo. A photo is very helpful and makes it so much easier to get an idea of what the girls look like. Charlotte looked really nice in the photo and I just arrived to Brazil a couple of days ago so I went to 4 x 4 yesterday to check out Charlotte. When I arrived she was busy in a room and I was told that she would come downstairs in 5 -10 minutes and so she did. Charlotte definitely has a big ass and she got busy right away talking to a guy, and not more than 10 minutes later she went upstairs to the room with the guy. I spent a few hours in 4 x 4 and every time that I saw Charlotte coming back from a session with a guy she immediately got busy with another guy, and she never stayed in the main area more than 10 minutes. Very popular girl, that is for sure. I never took Charlotte to the room because to me her ass looked a little fake, like she enhanced it with silicon or something like that. Many girls in 4 x 4 has fake asses that are enhanced and I never liked that. Brazilian guys seems to like it a lot though! I don't know if Charlotte's ass really was enhanced or not but it looked so to me anyway. It could be due to the fact that she was not exactly 20 years old and a little older and that the shape of her ass turned into look like that because of her age.[/QUOTE]Charlotte tells me that her German-Brazilian bubble butt is all natural, fed only by protein, salads, and the gym. Well, I don't know what to believe about that. But what I do know for sure is that the girl's booty is just insane! And I told her so! A monger had to have that! Yes sir, an anal connoisseur needed to dig all up in it! And I did too! Her butt hole was some kinda tight I'm telling you my people!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2378158]Charlotte tells me that her German-Brazilian bubble butt is all natural, fed only by protein, salads, and the gym. Well, I don't know what to believe about that. But what I do know for sure is that the girl's booty is just insane! And I told her so! A monger had to have that! Yes sir, an anal connoisseur needed to dig all up in it! And I did too! Her butt hole was some kinda tight I'm telling you my people![/QUOTE]How much did she charge to go to your place?

Hey guys, I was in Rio again for a couple of days and made my way again to Four x Four termas and had a great time. Lots of info on the logistics of this place, so won't go into detail. 50 BRL entry, 390 per hour in the room, 20 for beers. Girls were mostly in the 6 to 8 range, about 30 girls to 20 guys during the time I was there (late afternoon). Had excellent flirting (in English) from Emma, huge DD tits that I was surprised to find were natural when she pressed up against me. Full GFE in the room with kissing, excellent BBBJ, and CFS in multiple positions. F 8, B 9, A 10, S 9.

Then tried mulatto frizzy-haired Rubi, what I would consider a 9 - very pretty face with what I think is a perfect body: slim, 5. 7 frame, natural D-sized tits with nice hang, nice ass (but not the big Brazilian kind that locals seem to prefer, but not me). Also GFE in room, finally came hard in CFS mish while squeezing her perfect tits. She really liked having her nipples licked and touched, too. F 9, B 10, A 9, S 9. Didn't speak much English, but who cares with the language of sex.

Fabulous experiences, both of them. I was staying in Barra Tijuca, so next night I tried the Euro Rio Spa. Unfortunately, there were only 4 girls working, all of them 5 or 6 (in my ratings, 6 is the minimum I would consider f**cking). Even the 6's weren't very attractive, so I bailed.

Enjoy, boys!

Guys,

I am requesting a little help. I am staying in IBIS posto 2 in Copacabana but not sure if it is still girl friendly. I also plan to spend few days at Copacabana sol hotel nearby but am not sure if they will allow me to sneak in a girl once a day.

Does anyone know if these hotels are still GF?

If things turn out to be worse, I can pay some extra money or still better go a love hotel for some quality time. The problem is I don't know too many in Copacabana area specially near Mabs. Is there any good love hotel you suggest me? I thank you for your help.

Day 1 - OK guys had my first experience in Rio and was pretty good. Got in late morning on a very late night flight from Texas. Anyways, a friend told me to hit up a terma called Monte Carlo. I have read on here through numerous posts about it's expensive compared to other termas.

For those that have never been to Rio and think about coming down here I'll mentioned what to expect. If why'all have been to a FKK in Germany it's the same setup where you undress and change into a robe just with a key on hand for your locker. We went upstairs to where there was about a dozen girls in a club type room. As we walked to the back to the bar we were mobbed by the girls. It was kind of weird as they surrounded us. I heard read about on here that they were like that but didn't expect to be that bad LOL. The girls looked nice and decent ranging from 6-8 in their early to mid 20's and a couple around 30.

I got a drink and one of girls came up to my friend and I. The other girls were still posted close by watching which was kind of awkward. We chilled and talked a bit as I looked around the room at the other girls but some of their expressions made me chose the one I had. She was nice and friendly be sized cups and nice round ass. We got to the room made out a bit and she gave a BBBJ which was good. I had her get in all 4's so I had great view of her. We finished and walked back to main area. I waited for my friend to get back to the locker room to leave.

As we were leaving I made sure to notice the drinks we had as they could had them put more in the bill. We were walking out everyone wanted a tip told I had nothing and left. I have read this as well and was aware of it.

Monte Carlo was decent priced for me but more than what other mongers paid at other termas. I really didn't care as long I had my fun. The terma was close byand walking distance to my hotel and did not feel unsafe anytime walking back. I'll post more next coming days for any other 1st timers that need any info.

Z.

[QUOTE=Omigawd;2378877]Guys,

I am requesting a little help. I am staying in IBIS posto 2 in Copacabana but not sure if it is still girl friendly. I also plan to spend few days at Copacabana sol hotel nearby but am not sure if they will allow me to sneak in a girl once a day.

Does anyone know if these hotels are still GF?

If things turn out to be worse, I can pay some extra money or still better go a love hotel for some quality time. The problem is I don't know too many in Copacabana area specially near Mabs. Is there any good love hotel you suggest me? I thank you for your help.[/QUOTE]IBIS is definitely girl friendly, I've stayed there a number of times.

[QUOTE=Omigawd;2378877]Guys,

I am requesting a little help. I am staying in IBIS posto 2 in Copacabana but not sure if it is still girl friendly. I also plan to spend few days at Copacabana sol hotel nearby but am not sure if they will allow me to sneak in a girl once a day.

Does anyone know if these hotels are still GF?

If things turn out to be worse, I can pay some extra money or still better go a love hotel for some quality time. The problem is I don't know too many in Copacabana area specially near Mabs. Is there any good love hotel you suggest me? I thank you for your help.[/QUOTE]Since your in the hotel already either just ask the desk / concierge / bellman / security or just walk in with your girl and see if you get stopped / questioned! Don't forget to report your findings so others can learn from your experience.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2379285]IBIS is definitely girl friendly, I've stayed there a number of times.[/QUOTE]Much appreciated insight! I've been looking at hotels and wanted to try one of the higher rated ones in Copacabana but I've found that they all seem to be very strict about guests (I hate this policy).

Outside of Ibis, are there any suggested hotels that are top quality in Rio (near Copacabana) that are OK with night guests?

[QUOTE=ThadMax;2379603]Much appreciated insight! I've been looking at hotels and wanted to try one of the higher rated ones in Copacabana but I've found that they all seem to be very strict about guests (I hate this policy).

Outside of Ibis, are there any suggested hotels that are top quality in Rio (near Copacabana) that are OK with night guests?[/QUOTE]Pestana Rio Atlantica.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2379790]Pestana Rio Atlantica.[/QUOTE]Very nice bar and swiming pool on the top of Pestana and sometimes some very nice garotas.

When I go to RioI always stay in COPA at an AIRBNB and rent an apartment. After 4-5 trips to RIO I just happened to end up at an airbnb apartment at a place called Real Residence Hotel, 500 ave princess Isabela. Its like 4 long blocks to the beach. Its defiantly visitor friendly. If I am there 2 weeks and bring a different girl 14 nights nothing is said and more than once I have brought in 2 girls with no problem. They don't check ID but I think if instead of walking straight to the elevator if I would stop at the counter and tell the chica they need your ID they would check it. When going to RIO I go through the airbnb 2 hundred or so listing and look for an apartment at the real resident. If memory serves me right (ha that's a joke, I can't remember what I had for breakfast) I think only 1 time I have paid over $50.00 us per night. This place is big it must have at least 500 rooms. All I know for sure is it has 7 elevators. I would guess that airbnb has access to 15-20 apartments. Who knows. One thing I like about it is it has a restaurant. The food is not that great but if you wake up in the morning with the need for a little food, breakfast is about $5. 00 for all you can eat. It has a website but you will need to do a little research. Good luck.

[QUOTE=Zorro;2379221]If why'all have been to a FKK in Germany it's the same setup where you undress and change into a robe just with a key on hand for your locker.[/QUOTE]And that is ALL they have in common. More Bang for the Buck in Rio and NONE of the Upsell.

[QUOTE=Hotrod10;2379855]When I go to RioI always stay in COPA at an AIRBNB and rent an apartment. After 4-5 trips to RIO I just happened to end up at an airbnb apartment at a place called Real Residence Hotel, 500 ave princess Isabela. Its like 4 long blocks to the beach. Its defiantly visitor friendly. If I am there 2 weeks and bring a different girl 14 nights nothing is said and more than once I have brought in 2 girls with no problem. They don't check ID[/QUOTE]You do realize this is 99% of the apartments that you will rent in Rio don't you? Only thing about this one is that it is pretty far from the beach. For comparison, I was going to rent one at Princesa Isabel 7 the other day. I could see the Hilton and the beach out of the window. It was 250 reais / night. I had to turn it down when they told me I would have to be out by 2 pm because another person was coming the day I was leaving. I do not usually leave until after 6. But I happened to go to the lady I normally use and get a way better apt for the usual 220 reais / day 1 block from the beach (not that it mattered since it has been raining everyday.).

[QUOTE=Bliadun;2375165]Talking to the girl for a couple of minutes is in your best interests. With the clothes change and small talk, you can be in the room in 10 minutes after entering the terma.[/QUOTE]They would like you to be decisive. My last trip girls did not receive drink commission so they would appreciate a programma over a redbull. I was generous with drinks my last trip. Not so much in Sampa considering the high end places were 80 R.

Mr Enternational thanks for your comment about my last post. In all of my stays in Rio I have never had a problem when bringing a guest to my room. I said on my recent post about Real Residence that it was visitor friendly to reassure new members that it is in face visitor friendly. If you will take a few minutes and review the last 10 or 12 page of this site and you will see many member asking that question.

Anyone have experience with staying at Arena Copacabana Hotel?

I want a decent place to stay (based on positive reviews on Trip Advisor) that is in close proximity to a terma. Monte Carlo is around the corner.

Seems like a moot point to inquire as to whether Arena is visitor-friendly, right?

Perhaps I should just try my luck and see how the reception desk reacts.

It always tickles me how people run around buying stuff at Duty Free when 15 times out of 10 the shit is more expensive than it would be if you buy it in town. Of course I have known this forever so I stopped by the grocery store and bought me a bottle of 51 cachaca before leaving town. It was 12 reais. When I got to the airport and looked in the Duty Free to make the comparison, the same damn bottle was 39 reais.

A buddy of mine came into town saying how he needed to go to 4X4 because he told some chick he would come see her. I am like dude if you already know the chick why do you still want to go through the middle man? He insisted though. He was going to take an Uber from Copacabana, but I told him that I should show him how to take the metro. Hell, the metro is only R4.15 ($1) and way less traffic. The train was packed and 9 stops later we were downtown. I was in a big hurry because I had to go back and head to the airport. I explained to him the other places he would find downtown with the canopies as well as the prives. I quickly took him by 81, but it was empty.

Doubled back to 4X4 and told the doorman I was only bringing my friend. I went up to the front desk and they said it was R60 to enter and I remember looking at the card where the 2nd price for a girl was R389. Jesus Christ. Out of my league! Everybody there seemed to be having the time of their lives though. Do Brazilians even go there anymore? Looked like there were only foreigners. This was at 5 pm. The lady behind the counter tried to get me to stay. I told her no thanks; this place is far too expensive for me. I then kidded her about her being rich.

The next day when I talked to my buddy he said that he had a great time there. He fucked the chick that he went to see and even found a chick there that came with him all night for R250. And he speaks zero Portuguese (but he does speak Spanish)!

True, most Duty Free prices suck, as duty is only relevant when comparing prices; but in some cases purchases make sense, like in Singapore. So, $100 USD is more than BR $400 today. The question is where in the world would you prefer to spend $100 USD on short-time defined anyhow? You can't pay less or more, and travel costs are out of equation for the purpose of my question.

Hi everybody,

I'm going to Rio for 1 week. Do you have suggestion about the hotel or airbnb?

Where is the best place to go?

Thank.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2380434]Of course I have known this forever so I stopped by the grocery store and bought me a bottle of 51 cachaca before leaving town. It was 12 reais. When I got to the airport and looked in the Duty Free to make the comparison, the same damn bottle was 39 reais.[/QUOTE]While that is a good price for Cachaça 51, I would recommend visitors look in town for aged cachaças that cost more. I don't like to weigh down my bags with the lower priced liquors.

[QUOTE=SherlockBones;2380408]Anyone have experience with staying at Arena Copacabana Hotel?

I want a decent place to stay (based on positive reviews on Trip Advisor) that is in close proximity to a terma. Monte Carlo is around the corner.

Seems like a moot point to inquire as to whether Arena is visitor-friendly, right?

Perhaps I should just try my luck and see how the reception desk reacts.[/QUOTE]It's not, do not waste your time and money. I found out the hard way a couple years back. Fortunately it was only a two night stay. Pestana and Rio Porto Bay are though and they are in front of the beach. If you have JW Marriott or Hilton budget those are also girl friendly.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2380434]It always tickles me how people run around buying stuff at Duty Free when 15 times out of 10 the shit is more expensive than it would be if you buy it in town. Of course I have known this forever so I stopped by the grocery store and bought me a bottle of 51 cachaca before leaving town. It was 12 reais. When I got to the airport and looked in the Duty Free to make the comparison, the same damn bottle was 39 reais.[/QUOTE]Most of us will find it funny that someone will even buy cheap crap to take out of the country. If prices are so good, why not take better. Sort of like buying the fake name brand polo shirts in Centro with the Made in USA labels. Anyway, 51 always gives me a headache. I think it is all the impurities (like insect parts).

[QUOTE=Safado69;2380694]It's not, do not waste your time and money. I found out the hard way a couple years back. Fortunately it was only a two night stay. Pestana and Rio Porto Bay are though and they are in front of the beach. If you have JW Marriott or Hilton budget those are also girl friendly.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the heads up! I will cancel my reservation and look at either JWM or Hilton. Much appreciated!

I just came back from a week in Rio. This time, I stayed in Copa and had a mix of civilians and pros. Didn't even make it to Centro.

Hotel: Pestana Atlantica. Honestly, this wasn't my first choice--I booked because everything filled up for the Rock in Rio Fest. It turned out to be a gem. I had a nice, clean room with a sliver of an ocean view. Breakfast included, though it was the same good every day. I didn't even know it was girl friendly until I read it here today. There are a lot of tourists in and out, so it shouldn't be a problem. I had no trouble at all bringing a civilian in. There is a cool bar with rock music and live bands just down the street. I think it is my go-to place now.

The Girls: First, I went to all three places in Nossa Senhora de Copacabana 583: on the 2/3/4 floors. The one on the 4th floor is like the places in the office buildings in Centro. Got the line-up, picked a girl who was just my type: tall, full figured, big boobs. She was professional--CBJ--but we broke the bed. The 3rd floor was a local's place with one big room--missed it. The second floor also has a local's place, but I dared to enter. You need Portuguese here. Found an attractive girl and had a good session (R $165). CBJ as well. The manager was a little sleazy and didn't return my change (or couldn't do arithmetic.).

By the way, the 22 place on Siquera Campos closed, but I didn't read about it on the Forum.

Linda's Massagem: This is a nice, clean place. Found a nice girl who was exactly my type. Are $200. BBBJ. A made a reservation and she met me at the door. I also got a soft massage with lotion afterwards. You tend to think this is a low-end place because there are guys on the street corner handing out flyers. Would definitely return.

Monte Carlo: I went just to have a look around and ended up buying some drinks for a girl that a Brazilian guy introduced. I also saw a tall, exotic-looking girl I sessioned with last time, but I had already just been at 583, so I wasn't up for it.

Photoaccompanhantes: I found some great girls here. The website makes it easy to send them a message on WhatsApp to see if they are available. You follow up to get their address and rate. There are some girls working out of NS Copa 945 (and 1023), and I found one with great skills who charged are $150. I repeated with her the next day, and it was even better.

Beach: The weather was cool and rainy when I arrived, but got better. My favorite fixer at hooker beach was complaining that there was no business and even took a couple of days off. Please throw them some business if you're there.

Transportation: Uber works like a charm and is super cheap. Uber from the airport was just $10. It makes it really easy to get around.

I also went out with a middle aged woman who likes to sleep around when her boyfriend (and benefactor) is out of town. Big red flag that I should have known better about: she wanted a "present" but didn't specify the amount, and the evening ended badly. I also met a lovely girl on Tinder, but she was in the process of getting divorced and made out vigorously with me and that was that.

OEM.

[QUOTE=ExecTalent;2380708]Most of us will find it funny that someone will even buy cheap crap to take out of the country. If prices are so good, why not take better. Sort of like buying the fake name brand polo shirts in Centro with the Made in USA labels. Anyway, 51 always gives me a headache. I think it is all the impurities (like insect parts).[/QUOTE]51 has always been my favorite. As you can see by the receipt I posted, I also bought a bottle of Ypioca for R30 to try out. EVERYTHING has insect parts in it. That is just a byproduct of being human and eating shit here on earth.

"In a regular-sized 16-ounce jar of peanut butter, the FDA will allow up to 136 insect fragments and four rodent hairs."

"For every 100 grams of ground cinnamon, it's OK to include 400 or more insect fragments (legs, heads, wings, thoraxes, etc.), and 22 or more rodent hairsa substance the FDA charmingly refers to as "rodent filth."

Anyway, I don't remember if it was you or Sperto that mentioned having caipirinhas made with fake sugar, but I finally remembered to bring my Equal this time and ordered my drinks without sugar. That was a great tip. Thanks.

[QUOTE=SherlockBones;2380712]Thank you for the heads up! I will cancel my reservation and look at either JWM or Hilton. Much appreciated![/QUOTE]Just my 2 cents, while the Marriott or Hilton are a little bit nicer than the Pestana you can get more for your money at the Pestana. For example the Marriott basic rooms are very small, most have no view and windows don't open. On the other hand for about the same money at the Pestana you can get an ocean front suite with a huge balcony, this goes over great with the girls to hang out and party plus you might like it yourself. The bar on top of the hotel has some working girls on weekend nights and I have seen during the day at the pool. Just a little FYI.

Duty Free. About the only thing I drink that is made in Brazil these days is beer and wine from the south. Sure today they make some better Cachacas than in the past but when I arrive in Rio I go to duty free and buy couple of bottles of high end whisky for the room. This is what I drink for the most part, savings are better on high end whisky and they are good quality with less hangover and headaches.

[QUOTE=RioBob;2381095]Just my 2 cents, while the Marriott or Hilton are a little bit nicer than the Pestana you can get more for your money at the Pestana. For example the Marriott basic rooms are very small, most have no view and windows don't open. On the other hand for about the same money at the Pestana you can get an ocean front suite with a huge balcony, this goes over great with the girls to hang out and party plus you might like it yourself. The bar on top of the hotel has some working girls on weekend nights and I have seen during the day at the pool. Just a little FYI.

Duty Free. About the only thing I drink that is made in Brazil these days is beer and wine from the south. Sure today they make some better Cachacas than in the past but when I arrive in Rio I go to duty free and buy couple of bottles of high end whisky for the room. This is what I drink for the most part, savings are better on high end whisky and they are good quality with less hangover and headaches.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the feedback, Rio Rob. I ended up booking a suite the at the Rio Porto Bay, which has a balcony as well. Recent TripAdvisor negative reviews for the Pestana Rio gave me pause for concern.

[QUOTE=SherlockBones;2381157]Thanks for the feedback, Rio Rob. I ended up booking a suite the at the Rio Porto Bay, which has a balcony as well. Recent TripAdvisor negative reviews for the Pestana Rio gave me pause for concern.[/QUOTE]Nice hotel. Is Rio Porto Bay girl friendly?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2380988]51 has always been my favorite. As you can see by the receipt I posted, I also bought a bottle of Ypioca for R30 to try out. EVERYTHING has insect parts in it. That is just a byproduct of being human and eating shit here on earth.[/QUOTE]My favourite whisky is DYC. It's the cheapest brand you can find in a bar in Spain, but I like it more than JW Black. The benefit of drinking cheap shit is that in a bar you probably get what you order, but if you order some premium brand, there's no guarantee that you get what the label says.

There could be many reasons for people to buy at duty free shops; they are lazy, they are afraid the bottles may break in their suitcase (never happened to me), most people are already up to their free baggage allowance limit, they finally remember the cousin who takes care of the cat etc.

I calculated that my next trip every waking hour (just airfare and hotels) cost me 56 reais, meaning every hour I waste doing some stupid shit, I pay 56 reais to do that.
It tickles me that some people go to extremes to find the currency exchange where they can get 50 reais more for their euros or dollars. If the exchange rate is in the right ballpark, I just change my money and don't think about it anymore. This of course is not applicable to cachaca, which you can find in every corner store in Brazil.

[QUOTE=Nordico;2381344]It tickles me that some people go to extremes to find the currency exchange where they can get 50 reais more for their euros or dollars. If the exchange rate is in the right ballpark, I just change my money and don't think about it anymore.[/QUOTE]Something I forgot to mention. I was walking with a buddy down NS on the way to Cervantes. He needed to change some money so we walked into some random exchange place. The rate there was as good as my Charles Schwab card. I think it was 4. 16 for 1 USD. I have had Schwab for a while and had HSBC (is that place still around in Brazil?) for years before that, so I really have not changed money in Rio since the Help days outside of once with the airport porters a couple of years ago.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2380988]51 has always been my favorite. As you can see by the receipt I posted, I also bought a bottle of Ypioca for R30 to try out. EVERYTHING has insect parts in it. That is just a byproduct of being human and eating shit here on earth.

"In a regular-sized 16-ounce jar of peanut butter, the FDA will allow up to 136 insect fragments and four rodent hairs."

"For every 100 grams of ground cinnamon, it's OK to include 400 or more insect fragments (legs, heads, wings, thoraxes, etc.), and 22 or more rodent hairsa substance the FDA charmingly refers to as "rodent filth."

Anyway, I don't remember if it was you or Sperto that mentioned having caipirinhas made with fake sugar, but I finally remembered to bring my Equal this time and ordered my drinks without sugar. That was a great tip. Thanks.[/QUOTE]If you hang out out with Brazilians, they will make fun of 51. They will say its for gringos. For me, it's a bit harsh. If you make caipirinhas, the sugar will mask any harshness. However, I do like sipping on a smooth cachaca.

Sperto must know muddling the mint with sugar releases more oils from the mint. There's a bit of natural chemistry in a good caipirinha. I've tried sweetening caipirinhas with Equal. Stevia works better.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2380988] Snip. Anyway, I don't remember if it was you or Sperto that mentioned having caipirinhas made with fake sugar, but I finally remembered to bring my Equal this time and ordered my drinks without sugar. That was a great tip. Thanks.[/QUOTE]As an occasional drinker of caipirinhas at the beach in Copacabana, I was concerned about your fake sugar comment. Did a search in the Brazil thread for fake sugar and did not find any previous posts about that, so I don't know where you heard it. What fake sugar are you talking about? The only fake sugar reference I could find on Google is that it is artificial sweetener. Isn't that more expensive than real sugar? Given the amount of the stuff they put in the drink, I doubt they would use the more expensive product.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2381533]As an occasional drinker of caipirinhas at the beach in Copacabana, I was concerned about your fake sugar comment.[/QUOTE]I was saying for people like me whose body can no longer take much natural sugar which caipirinhas have a shit ton of, bringing my own artificial sweetener was indeed an excellent substitute.

[QUOTE=ThadMax;2381275]Nice hotel. Is Rio Porto Bay girl friendly?[/QUOTE]According to at Safado69's comment a few posts down, Rio Porto Bay is guest-friendly. Happy to confirm this for myself on Oct 31st.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2381430]Something I forgot to mention. I was walking with a buddy down NS on the way to Cervantes. He needed to change some money so we walked into some random exchange place. The rate there was as good as my Charles Schwab card. I think it was 4. 16 for 1 USD. I have had Schwab for a while and had HSBC (is that place still around in Brazil?) for years before that, so I really have not changed money in Rio since the Help days outside of once with the airport porters a couple of years ago.[/QUOTE]HSBC sold its Brazil business to Bradesco. Last December, I used the Bradesco ATM and I believe I got a reduced fee. HSBC is saying it wants to come back to Brazil now. Just don't go to Santander: they only let you take out are $500 a day.

For an accurate and up-to-date summary of how much cash you can withdraw from bank ATMs such as Bradesco and Santander, see my posts in the "Real versus Dollar and other currency issues" thread.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2380988]Anyway, I don't remember if it was you or Sperto that mentioned having caipirinhas made with fake sugar...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2381438]Sperto must know muddling the mint with sugar releases more oils from the mint.[/QUOTE]Weird how I ended up in the caipirinha discussion as I never made any comments about caipirinhas.

How are the água de coco prices on the beach?

[QUOTE=Sperto;2381668]Weird how I ended up in the caipirinha discussion as I never made any comments about caipirinhas.

How are the gua de coco prices on the beach?[/QUOTE]No idea. But the caipirinha prices at the kiosks have plummeted. As low as are $5 in some places. I went to one with two chicks. We had 3 each and the bill came to are $30.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2381535]I was saying for people like me whose body can no longer take much natural sugar which caipirinhas have a shit ton of, bringing my own artificial sweetener was indeed an excellent substitute.[/QUOTE]Don't know how your inability to handle too much sugar equals them using fake sugar but am glad to know that they are using real sugar. I always ask them to put in half the sugar they normally do to make it less overpoweringly sweet.

Gents,

I will be taking my first trip to Brazil at the end of the month.

Able to share a few things that I should do to prepare?

I understand that Brazil removed the visa requirements for US. Citizens. Anything else I should be aware of?

Thanks in advance!

Do we list of common monger questions in Portuguese somewhere that can come in handy for a non Portuguese speaker in a terms or prive?

Or just common dirty words list?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=SherlockBones;2381891]Gents,

I will be taking my first trip to Brazil at the end of the month.

Able to share a few things that I should do to prepare?

I understand that Brazil removed the visa requirements for US. Citizens. Anything else I should be aware of?

Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]You can try Reading the F*cking Forum! Seriously, take 30 minutes and go back and read about the other 25 guys who asked for advice on where to stay, where to change money, what termas to go to and what to do at night. All the information is right there at your fingertips!

[QUOTE=Margaya;2382027]Do we list of common monger questions in Portuguese somewhere that can come in handy for a non Portuguese speaker in a terms or prive?

Or just common dirty words list?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]PM me what you want to know and I will post a list.

[QUOTE=SherlockBones;2381891]Gents,

I will be taking my first trip to Brazil at the end of the month.

Able to share a few things that I should do to prepare?

I understand that Brazil removed the visa requirements for US. Citizens. Anything else I should be aware of?

Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]Did you ask them this question on TripAdvisor?

What is the best way to bargain prices with these Brazilian girls? Not to look cheap but get the best bang for my buck. Literally LOL.

[QUOTE=RioBob;2382372]Did you ask them this question on TripAdvisor?[/QUOTE]Thanks for the wonderful suggestion.

Margaya sent me some sentences for translation. Here you go. Enjoy Rio.

Are you breasts natural = Você tem seios naturais?

Do you kiss = Você beija?

Do you DFK = Você beija con lingua?

How much is one hour = Quanto é uma hora?

Is anal included in price = Anal está incluído no preço?

Can you come to my hotel? = Você pode vir ao meu hotel?

Happy to provide more.

[QUOTE=Junior;2382576]Margaya sent me some sentences for translation. Here you go. Enjoy Rio.

Are you breasts natural = Voc tem seios naturais?

Do you kiss = Voc beija?

Do you DFK = Voc beija con lingua?

How much is one hour = Quanto uma hora?

Is anal included in price = Anal est includo no preo?

Can you come to my hotel? = Voc pode vir ao meu hotel?

Happy to provide more.[/QUOTE]One of the reasons that guys new to the forum can never find anything is because everything is dumped in this Rio de Janeiro reports thread. There is a thread called Portuguese Words and Phrases at the bottom of the forum to discuss the Portuguese language. Also, I can correct the above translations or if someone else has the time.

I visited both 65 and Cancun while in Rio. I did not session at either termas, although there was some talent to be had, especially at Cancun. Termas 65 used to be my second favorite termas in Rio. It never got too crowded, but some really hot girls providing outstanding service used to work there. The place had a reputation for being a little bit more on the expensive side where middle class Brazilians would go, and I never had a bad time at 65.

That's why I was sad when it closed briefly, but it's been back in operation for awhile. Unfortunately, it apparently has not returned to its prior form though. There were maybe only about 12 or so girls on duty, with maybe a couple of them being attractive, and only a handful of clients in attendance maybe. One of the less attractive girls approached me, but I was more interested in fiddling with my smart phone LOL!

I stayed for about an hour plus or so before walking over to Cancun where the scene was better. More energy with more girls and clients. I saw at least two or three girls who I thought were very fuckable (maybe more depending on your tastes). I had a nice conversation with a cute blonde who approached me, but still I didn't pull the trigger. Don't recall why, but was probably because at that point of the trip my batteries were running a little low.

Anyway, it's funny how things can change. Termas 65 used to be the club with a vibe while Cancun was usually dead. I think 65's closing really hurt it, and so far it has not fully recovered. In fact, if I recall correct, several 65 girls moved over to Cancun when the former closed. In any event, on any future trip to Rio, I would definitely stop by both again to see what's on offer.

[QUOTE=Junior;2382576]Margaya sent me some sentences for translation. Here you go. Enjoy Rio.

Are you breasts natural = Voc tem seios naturais?

Do you kiss = Voc beija?

Do you DFK = Voc beija con lingua?

How much is one hour = Quanto uma hora?

Is anal included in price = Anal est includo no preo?

Can you come to my hotel? = Voc pode vir ao meu hotel?

Happy to provide more.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the useful translated scentences! A few more would be good to know if you don't mint posting. What I have learned to be useful to say is the sums of money when talking and negotiating with the girls. Like 100,150, 250 and 300, and so on (Cento, cento e cinquenta, duzentos, duzentos e cinquenta, trezentos).

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2382635]Thanks for the useful translated scentences! A few more would be good to know if you don't mint posting. What I have learned to be useful to say is the sums of money when talking and negotiating with the girls. Like 100,150, 250 and 300, and so on (Cento, cento e cinquenta, duzentos, duzentos e cinquenta, trezentos).[/QUOTE]Just send me a PM with the sentences you need and I will post the translations.

O que e isso cara!

[url]https://odia.ig.com.br/rio-de-janeiro/2019/10/5812904-incendio-atinge-a-whiskeria-quatro-por-quatro--no-centro-do-rio.html[/url]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2382657]O que e isso cara!

[url]https://odia.ig.com.br/rio-de-janeiro/2019/10/5812904-incendio-atinge-a-whiskeria-quatro-por-quatro--no-centro-do-rio.html[/url][/QUOTE]We should be grateful it never happened across the road at BA85, that was a deathtrap. Imagine people trying to evacuate by that narrow spiral stairs. This far I only got caught once in a fire, in a cabin in VM.

Attached are photos I received from friends about the fire.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2382661]We should be grateful it never happened across the road at BA85, that was a deathtrap. Imagine people trying to evacuate by that narrow spiral stairs. This far I only got caught once in a fire, in a cabin in VM.[/QUOTE]That was always my biggest fear with 4 X4, everyone would die if there was a fire and they all ran for the 2 narrow staircases to get out. I hope nobody got hurt because I believe the girls sleep there during the week if they live far away!!

Hopefully, the girls will go over to 502 instead of MC or Centaraus where the prices are higher!!

[QUOTE=Bravo;2382693]That was always my biggest fear with 4 X4, everyone would die if there was a fire and they all ran for the 2 narrow staircases to get out. I hope nobody got hurt because I believe the girls sleep there during the week if they live far away!!

Hopefully, the girls will go over to 502 instead of MC or Centaraus where the prices are higher!![/QUOTE]
My biggest fear in BA85 (or U24) was that I would secure the handrail with my hands. I always picked up leaflets at a close by pharmacy before entering those places. Leaflets on the handrails to avoid the dirt of... you name it.

Shit! Four firefighter have been killed at 4x4. Poor guys!
https://g1.globo.com/rj/rio-de-janeiro/noticia/2019/10/18/incendio-em-whiskeria-no-centro-do-rio-deixa-bombeiros-mortos-e-feridos.ghtml

[QUOTE=Bravo;2382693]That was always my biggest fear with 4 X4, everyone would die if there was a fire and they all ran for the 2 narrow staircases to get out. I hope nobody got hurt because I believe the girls sleep there during the week if they live far away!!![/QUOTE]I thought the same kind of thing about 4 x 4 and Termas 65. Like I said, there were times when I have been at 4 x 4 when there were so many people in there they were literally standing shoulder to shoulder! How does everybody get out safe if there's a fire?

[QUOTE=Bravo;2382693]I believe the girls sleep there during the week if they live far away!![/QUOTE]From this picture that appears to be the case. And it also goes to show it must have been the atmosphere that guys were paying all that money for, because these chicks look to be nothing special.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2382718]From this picture that appears to be the case. And it also goes to show it must have been the atmosphere that guys were paying all that money for, because these chicks look to be nothing special.[/QUOTE]Somebody has to take a shot at the way the girls look at a time like this? And that picture is supposed to be some sort of evidence of the overall quality of the talent in the place LOL! You probably wouldn't look too hot either if you had just been burned out. Give it a rest.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2382718]From this picture that appears to be the case. And it also goes to show it must have been the atmosphere that guys were paying all that money for, because these chicks look to be nothing special.[/QUOTE]To be fair, it's difficult to evaluate the chicks' attractiveness from that photo. But it does seem that the lighting in the Boates can make the girls look hotter than they actually are (in addition to them wearing bikinis!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2382718]From this picture that appears to be the case. And it also goes to show it must have been the atmosphere that guys were paying all that money for, because these chicks look to be nothing special.[/QUOTE]Maybe there's something wrong with my eyes or computure, but I really couldn't tell if they were hot or not. Too me they didn't look too bad, just curious what you are comparing them to? The garotas that I've seen in Delirio Oriental looked great to me as well.

And as TheCane wrote to judge women the day after they been up partying isn't really a good representation. I wouldn't get any matches at Tinder if I had to take my profile pics while having a hangover.

To be honest, that picture just increased my desire to travel to Brazil.

That's crazy this happened. I was just there a few days ago. All these termas have small narrow staircases with the the centaurs being a little wider than mc and 4 x 4.

It is so sad to hear about 4 x 4 being closed due to fire. Even worse is the news that some firefighters have perished.

I was hoping to check it out next weekend but obviously it is not going to happen so I will avoid centro altogether and may be focus on Copacabana area for fun. Other than Copa 583, Mabs and Dolce Vita, what other places are recommended for a decent fuck in the Copacabana area, preferably frequented by gringos?

Happened in yesterday!

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2382874]Happened in yesterday![/QUOTE]
And that was the third time the same picture was posted. :)

[QUOTE=TheCane;2382727]Somebody has to take a shot at the way the girls look at a time like this? And that picture is supposed to be some sort of evidence of the overall quality of the talent in the place LOL! You probably wouldn't look too hot either if you had just been burned out. Give it a rest.[/QUOTE]It was not a shot at how the girls look. What I was saying is that most chicks do look average just like this when they have not fixed themselves up. So what most people are on here considering hot, is just because the chick has slapped on some makeup, done her hair, and put on certain clothes.

Who would give the chicks in the picture the same 400 reais as they would give the chicks that they saw inside of the boite (even though they are one in the same)?

Me and others have posted pictures from Vila Mimosa of chicks that look pretty much the same as these, but somehow, traditionally these have been considered superior and many mongers are willing to pay way more for them. From this picture we can tell that they are really not. They are just normal, average chicks along with the rest of them.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2382740]And as TheCane wrote to judge women the day after they been up partying isn't really a good representation. I wouldn't get any matches at Tinder if I had to take my profile pics while having a hangover.[/QUOTE]It was 11:30 in the morning. The place was due to open in 2 more hours. What do you think the big difference would have been over those 2 hours? It has nothing to do with partying and hangovers. It has everything to do with how they normally look.

A chick that I mess with in Dominican Republic sent me pictures of her daughters. They were smoking hot. When I went to her house and met the same 2 girls they were just normal, average chicks. I told my girl that her daughters look way different than on the fotos. She said of course, because they are fixed up to go out on the fotos. This is one of the pics she sent. I wish I had taken one that day for comparison's sake.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2383031]It was not a shot at how the girls look. What I was saying is that most chicks do look average just like this when they have not fixed themselves up. So what most people are on here considering hot, is just because the chick has slapped on some makeup, done her hair, and put on certain clothes.[/QUOTE]Some people just don't know when to give up when they are significantly behind.

Today's Lesson: Most women look better when wearing makeup and wearing nice clothes.

Oh, and since it hasn't been brought up in awhile, but soon surely will. You can't turn a tute into a housewife.

Now, can we move on?

I am extremely sad to have learned the news about 4 x 4. Even though the rooms were old, 4 x 4 was my favorite place in Rio. The people that worked there, from the receptionist to the girls, were top notch. There is this one girl I sessioned with nearly 3 years ago who I still think about frequently.

I hope they decide to rebuild 4 x 4, it has a special place in my heart.

No doubt the loss of 4 x 4 is a blow to Rio's mongering scene but it will not impact me too much. Although the girls there were consistently some of the best looking in Centro Rio, the cost to value ratio is much higher than other venues in the area. For the price of a 30 minute session in 4 x 4, I could go to the many casas in Centro and Copacabana and have two one hour sessions. Some guys may argue that they go to 4 x 4 not only for the girls but also for its party like atmosphere. That may will be the case for some of you but I don't drink or smoke so that's not important to me. I'm a simple guy and much prefer the quick in and out places. There are several cheap clubs in Centro where the setup it much simpler than 4 x 4. The girls working there were mostly average looking but I have found some great fucks there. I do most of damage during the day in the casas anyways where its simple and easy.

That say, I do hope 4 x 4 will be rebuilt. At least then the rooms will be new and on par with the price 4 x 4 charges. It will be interesting to see what the 4 x 4 girls do. Maybe they will scatter around the other top tier termas or maybe even the casas.

I am sorry to hear about 4 x4. When I use to visit Rio frequently during the Club Help days. I use to love going to 4x4 before hitting club help at night. That was always my concerned about 4 x4. One way in and one way out. If there was a rear exit to the building, it wasn't marked well This fire remains me of the fatal night club fire in Santa Maria that killed over 200 people. The front entrance was the only way in and out of the night club.

Really sorry to hear about the fire at 4 X4. I used to frequent and really like that terma back in the day. My favorite memory was 12 years ago and involved a garota who gave me superlative service. My next visit there I did not choose her and she pouted for the entire period I was there. A really nice branca. In those days tears would well up in my eyes when I was leaving Rio to return home.

[QUOTE=RonFromSichuan;2383147]I am extremely sad to have learned the news about 4 x 4. Even though the rooms were old, 4 x 4 was my favorite place in Rio. The people that worked there, from the receptionist to the girls, were top notch. There is this one girl I sessioned with nearly 3 years ago who I still think about frequently.

I hope they decide to rebuild 4 x 4, it has a special place in my heart.[/QUOTE]I'm glad that I got to visit there again a few weeks ago before the fire. Agree that everyone was nice there, from receptionist to bartenders to girls.

I think they will open again but you should wait. You can go to Cancun that's also a good terma. Two other places in centro are also good (t65 and 502).

I'm going to Rio soon but I don't speak any Portuguese. I speak English and a little bit Spanish.

I heard there were a few girls in Rio from other countries in south america.

How widely is spanish spooken by the working girls? Do you recommend me to learn portuguese or improve my spanish to be able to have conversations with the girls?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2383703]I think they will open again but you should wait. You can go to Cancun that's also a good terma. Two other places in centro are also good (t65 and 502).[/QUOTE]Thanks for the intel. Will be on the ground there in less than two weeks, so having this info is helpful.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2251217]It's closed on Saturdays, as are most Centro termas. Monte Carlo, Solarium, and probably Centaurus are open on Saturday. All termas are closed on Sunday.[/QUOTE]Sorry for resurrecting an an old thread, but I'd appreciate some advice on the options available for an arrival on a Sunday in a couple of weeks. Back in the day I think Solarium used to be open on Sundays, but I guess that's no longer the case (or my memory is just failing). Any tips on the best places to be looking on a Sunday afternoon or evening? Thanks.

Happy Hunting,
EM

4 x 4 is a great place, but the play there was to do like the locals, and get numbers, which was easy.

The real question is which place is getting the 4 x 4 girls? 502?

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2383241]No doubt the loss of 4 x 4 is a blow to Rio's mongering scene but it will not impact me too much. Although the girls there were consistently some of the best looking in Centro Rio, the cost to value ratio is much higher than other venues in the area. For the price of a 30 minute session in 4 x 4, I could go to the many casas in Centro and Copacabana and have two one hour sessions. Some guys may argue that they go to 4 x 4 not only for the girls but also for its party like atmosphere. That may will be the case for some of you but I don't drink or smoke so that's not important to me. I'm a simple guy and much prefer the quick in and out places. There are several cheap clubs in Centro where the setup it much simpler than 4 x 4. The girls working there were mostly average looking but I have found some great fucks there. I do most of damage during the day in the casas anyways where its simple and easy.

That say, I do hope 4 x 4 will be rebuilt. At least then the rooms will be new and on par with the price 4 x 4 charges. It will be interesting to see what the 4 x 4 girls do. Maybe they will scatter around the other top tier termas or maybe even the casas.[/QUOTE]

My Brazilian friend told me this yesterday and I found an article backing this up, that the building is at risk of collapsing!

Here is the link to the article: [URL]https://oglobo.globo.com/rio/parte-do-predio-onde-funcionava-quatro-por-quatro-corre-risco-de-desabar-24031400[/URL].

The headline translate to "Part of the building where it functioned as 4 x 4 is in risk of collapsing".

What are why'all thoughts on the future of 4 x 4 guys?

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2384087]4 x 4 is a great place, but the play there was to do like the locals, and get numbers, which was easy.

The real question is which place is getting the 4 x 4 girls? 502?[/QUOTE]These girls are used to the prices 4 x4 was charging the clients. They will definitely be taking a paycut if they work at 502.

I just talked to a girl who was still working at 4 x 4 up until the fire last Friday. She told me she still haven't found a place to work and she doesn't know what to do. She sounded a bit desperate. I felt bad for her and all the other girls.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2384174]My Brazilian friend told me this yesterday and I found an article backing this up, that the building is at risk of collapsing!
Here is the link to the article: [URL]https://oglobo.globo.com/rio/parte-do-predio-onde-funcionava-quatro-por-quatro-corre-risco-de-desabar-24031400[/URL].[/QUOTE]
Only the fourth floor is at risk of collapsing.
[URL]https://extra.globo.com/noticias/rio/parte-do-predio-onde-funcionava-quatro-por-quatro-corre-risco-de-desabar-24031414.html?topico=radar[/URL]
More 4x4 girls working at the privées is good news.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2384177]I just talked to a girl who was still working at 4 x 4 up until the fire last Friday. She told me she still haven't found a place to work and she doesn't know what to do. She sounded a bit desperate. I felt bad for her and all the other girls.[/QUOTE]She is full of shit. Go get a regular job. Work at another fuck club. Work at a privee. Put an ad on one of those online sites. How the hell does she not know what to do? I am sure she has done more than work at 4X4 since birth.

Sorry my search function is not working today.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2384447]She is full of shit. Go get a regular job. Work at another fuck club. Work at a privee. Put an ad on one of those online sites. How the hell does she not know what to do? I am sure she has done more than work at 4X4 since birth.[/QUOTE]Never met a garota de programma who didn't have a plan. Summer of '06 spent June, July & August in Rio. Casually mentioned to GDP how long I'd be there. We hung out everyday, took side trips to Cabo Frio, Paraty, Arraial do Cabo, Salvador, Buenos Aires & Foz do Iguacu. She had each day planned in advance, the night before we'd go over the itinerary like we were planning an invasion. It was like a Travelocity Hotel & Airfare plus all the pussy you can eat vacation package. Chick could of been a professional travel agent / event planner. Did the math later, what she charged me was equal to double her hourly rate per day. Thinking she came out ahead based on volume & perks like meals, sightseeing & gifts! Funny, got back to Rio for Natal / Ano Novo, her homegirl told me she retired and returned back home to Londrina! LOL!

[QUOTE=Cool;2384478]Sorry my search function is not working today.[/QUOTE]Open 24 hours.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2384626]Never met a garota de programma who didn't have a plan. Summer of '06 spent June, July & August in Rio. Casually mentioned to GDP how long I'd be there. We hung out everyday, took side trips to Cabo Frio, Paraty, Arraial do Cabo, Salvador, Buenos Aires & Foz do Iguacu. She had each day planned in advance, the night before we'd go over the itinerary like we were planning an invasion. It was like a Travelocity Hotel & Airfare plus all the pussy you can eat vacation package. Chick could of been a professional travel agent / event planner. Did the math later, what she charged me was equal to double her hourly rate per day. Thinking she came out ahead based on volume & perks like meals, sightseeing & gifts! Funny, got back to Rio for Natal / Ano Novo, her homegirl told me she retired and returned back home to Londrina! LOL![/QUOTE]The girl you mentioned seemed very organized and meticulous. But she is just one of the thousands upon thousands of GPS out there. Are you telling every single of them is like her? I get where Mr E is coming from. But remember, my conversation with her occurred just days after the fire. She had no way of knowing that 4 x 4 was going to burn down on Friday so therefore she couldn't of planned ahead of time. You and your girl being on vacation knew why'all wanted to go sightseeing so she had time in advance to plan the itinerary. Think of it in another way, each year there are millions of travelers / vacationers, some will plan their itinerary down to every little minute detail way ahead of times before the start of their vacation (I am one of those people). Others, whether it is due to laziness or a free spirited heart, will go through their vacation without any planning ahead of times.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2384447]She is full of shit. Go get a regular job. Work at another fuck club. Work at a privee. Put an ad on one of those online sites. How the hell does she not know what to do? I am sure she has done more than work at 4X4 since birth.[/QUOTE]My conversation with her happened just days after 4 x4 burned down. She had no way of knowing ahead of times of the fire. Is it possible that she maybe be just a little stressed out about the fact that her workplace she's been working at for however long was completely destroyed 4 days ago and now she has no source of income?

"Go get a regular job" LOL you make it sound as easy as going to the store down the street picking up a pack of beer when you run out.

I'll give you that she has options of working at another terma or a clinica. In fact I even suggested that to her. But there is no need to insult her.

[QUOTE=MrofSex;2383865]I'm going to Rio soon but I don't speak any Portuguese. I speak English and a little bit Spanish. I heard there were a few girls in Rio from other countries in south america. How widely is spanish spooken by the working girls? Do you recommend me to learn portuguese or improve my spanish to be able to have conversations with the girls? Thanks![/QUOTE]It's NOT. I've been going to Rio since 2001. Never heard a GDP talk Spanish. I'm a fluent in Spanish. When I first went, the girls understood what I was saying in Spanish, I could Not understand them. Yes, Learn some Portuguese. You'll be OK with English though.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2384810]"Go get a regular job" LOL you make it sound as easy as going to the store down the street picking up a pack of beer when you run out.[/QUOTE]Might be 2 months before they get the first paycheck. Brazilians get paid once a month.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2384810].........I'll give you that she has options of working at another terma or a clinica. In fact I even suggested that to her. But there is no need to insult her.[/QUOTE]Some mongers come across as haters of women. That's quite sad. Perhaps its because of how they were treated by women in the past. I think sex is less enjoyable when you hate women than when you love them. I'll stick to the latter.

The tone of the response might have been a bit sharp, but it shouldn't be hard to go work at another termas. I can't imagine another termas saying no thanks we have too many girls. Termas 4 x4 was one of the top clubs. That should get her in the door.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2384898]It's NOT. I've been going to Rio since 2001. Never heard a GDP talk Spanish. I'm a fluent in Spanish. When I first went, the girls understood what I was saying in Spanish, I could Not understand them. Yes, Learn some Portuguese. You'll be OK with English though.[/QUOTE]Hmmm the vast majority don't speak english either.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2384810]My conversation with her happened just days after 4 x4 burned down. She had no way of knowing ahead of times of the fire. Is it possible that she maybe be just a little stressed out about the fact that her workplace she's been working at for however long was completely destroyed 4 days ago and now she has no source of income?

"Go get a regular job" LOL you make it sound as easy as going to the store down the street picking up a pack of beer when you run out.

I'll give you that she has options of working at another terma or a clinica. In fact I even suggested that to her. But there is no need to insult her.[/QUOTE]I've had a few girls through the years telling me they lost their job or they can't pay their bills and I don't know what to do poor me! What they're hoping for is that you say don't worry I'll help you out and if you do they'll tell you how to send the money. I never sent any money and never will and never offer but some are very subtle about it and hope you offer, they want to keep the relationship going, they're just testing you. I've also had a few let's say old Help girls who were way past their prime ask me straight out for money that they were desperate, they never gave me any free pussy so I don't respond. If a girl did I might help her out.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2384174]What are why'all thoughts on the future of 4 x 4 guys?[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, it will become a memory.

A week without 4 X4 got people so desperate that they are fucking their own wives!

After mongering 28 years in Rio and only being at 4x4 two times, closing 4x4 temporarily means nothing. Lucky me. :)

[QUOTE=Sperto;2385334]After mongering 28 years in Rio and only being at 4x4 two times, closing 4x4 temporarily means nothing. Lucky me. :)[/QUOTE]You are lucky! Did you miss Help when it closed back in 2009?

Hi all,

I'll be in Rio for just a few hours (I know it's a bummer) and looking for some fun during the afternoon. I've read all about the night life but can you also have fun in centre or at the beach area in the afternoon as a gringo?

Love to hear from you.

Best Jorn.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2385349]You are lucky! Did you miss Help when it closed back in 2009?[/QUOTE]
Yes and no. In the nineties Help was superb and then it started slowly to decline. The last years before Help closed in 2010 it was really bad IMO. I felt no loss when Help closed.

Today I miss Help just a little bit. What I miss more are all the other stuff that also disappeared when Help closed, Terraço Atlântico, Meia Pataca attracting GPs, ho-beach and lots of GPs at the orla.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2384930]The tone of the response might have been a bit sharp, but it shouldn't be hard to go work at another termas. I can't imagine another termas saying no thanks we have too many girls. Termas 4 x4 was one of the top clubs. That should get her in the door.[/QUOTE]Charlotte is attractive enough to work at any termas she wants to. She told me that she's "tuting" these days by turning tricks out of her Copacabana apartment.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2385447]...Today I miss Help just a little bit. What I miss more are all the other stuff that also disappeared when Help closed, Terrao Atlntico, Meia Pataca attracting GPs, ho-beach and lots of GPs at the orla.[/QUOTE]Yep, Absolutely, hit the nail on the head. One of the many great things about club "Helpee" IMHO, is that it fueled, created and sustained many businesses, micro businesses and entrepreneurs, who made a living from its presence.

From fresh GDP talent coming from all over Brazil, to work "Helpee" and area, drinking bars/clubs to late night taxi-drivers, bus/van operators, hustlers, street vendors, late night restaurants / eateries...etc. Its too bad the powers at be, overlook such an impact, or maybe they didn't and just didn't care, because "Helpee" wasn't empowering the right class of people.

Hi Members,

I haven't been in Rio for years.

I have read about privees, termas, clinicas, sites.

Could experts make a recommendation of the best 10 GDP hot spots must visit in 2019?

Thanks.

I love a nice ass but most important to me is having a pretty face as I can't fuck a girl I'm not attracted to.

Solarium and Centaurus are out of my price range, 4 x 4 sounded good but obviously that's not an option now.

How would you rate the facial attractiveness on average for the girls in the other termas, massagem mabs etc? I've checked the pictures on this board, thanks for all that posted them, but most of them are of asses or front with face covered, which is totally understand.

Really appreciate an answer because I still can't decide whether to go to Brazil (its going to be an expensive trip and long journey so need to be sure about going), was considering it for my recent trip but my wingman wanted to go to Philippines instead and it was his turn to pick.

Hope everyone's had a great weekend.

[QUOTE=Patrick1975;2385425]Hi all,

I'll be in Rio for just a few hours (I know it's a bummer) and looking for some fun during the afternoon. I've read all about the night life but can you also have fun in centre or at the beach area in the afternoon as a gringo?

Love to hear from you.

Best Jorn.[/QUOTE]Every member here could have a different take on this, what I would do is find a locker in the airport for my luggage if necessary. Take a taxi to Copacabana and spend a few hours in termas Monte Carlo, drinking at the bar, enjoying looking at the girls and take one or two to a room for some sessions, very easy and straight forward. Then walk around the beach area for a bit, stop and eat then take your 40 minute taxi back to the airport.

Another option get a cheap hotel or adult motel for a couple hours and call an escort over for some fun. There are many ways to skin a cat, have fun.

[QUOTE=RioBob;2385862]Every member here could have a different take on this, what I would do is find a locker in the airport for my luggage if necessary. Take a taxi to Copacabana and spend a few hours in termas Monte Carlo, drinking at the bar, enjoying looking at the girls and take one or two to a room for some sessions, very easy and straight forward. Then walk around the beach area for a bit, stop and eat then take your 40 minute taxi back to the airport.

Another option get a cheap hotel or adult motel for a couple hours and call an escort over for some fun. There are many ways to skin a cat, have fun.[/QUOTE]I think your first option is the better one. If he calls and escort and it is a bust, he won't have time to regroup. In the termas, you can see and get an idea if there is chemistry before you commit and if it does not go well, you can go back and try again. Another option is to start at one of the privees in Copa -- see previous reports and finish at Monte Carlo if necessary.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2384087]4 x 4 is a great place, but the play there was to do like the locals, and get numbers, which was easy.

The real question is which place is getting the 4 x 4 girls? 502?[/QUOTE]Cancun received a handful of girls last week when I was there and MC a couple. A good source also said the 4 x4 manager Jorginho recruited quite a few to go work in Paris Cafe as it is one of the 4 x4 owner's other establishments.

[QUOTE=Safado69;2386290]Cancun received a handful of girls last week when I was there and MC a couple. A good source also said the 4 x4 manager Jorginho recruited quite a few to go work in Paris Cafe as it is one of the 4 x4 owner's other establishments.[/QUOTE]Paris Cafe? That is a long ass commute! Its almost an hour from centro, I wonder how many girls would be willing to go that far is they don't already live in Barra the Tijuca or Jacarepaguá.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2385630]Yep, Absolutely, hit the nail on the head. One of the many great things about club "Helpee" IMHO, is that it fueled, created and sustained many businesses, micro businesses and entrepreneurs, who made a living from its presence.

From fresh GDP talent coming from all over Brazil, to work "Helpee" and area, drinking bars/clubs to late night taxi-drivers, bus/van operators, hustlers, street vendors, late night restaurants / eateries...etc. Its too bad the powers at be, overlook such an impact, or maybe they didn't and just didn't care, because "Helpee" wasn't empowering the right class of people.[/QUOTE]You said it best. Help attracted girls from all over Brasil and it was a sight to see. It was funny to see some women running to get into HELP in order to pay the discount price after they rang the bell. I went twice after Help closed and the vibe and talent (local) was horrible. I did all the tourist attractions in Rio. Did carnival, New Years, went to Niteroi, and Buzios. I had my share of fun and memories. One of the biggest differences also POST HELP is the girls asking price.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zArRqZ24N6I[/URL]

I think the fire damaged only the Whiskeria and the connecting stairways to the suites. The main boaite looked untouched by the fire. After T65 closed and now 4 x 4, it is a major blow to the Centro mongering scene. First, all the major escort agencies closed down, than Help, and now all these major Termas one by one. Looks like I might have to stick of Monte Carlo, Solarium, Cancun and Barbarellas for my next trip.

[QUOTE=Jubby007;2386599][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zArRqZ24N6I[/URL]

I think the fire damaged only the Whiskeria and the connecting stairways to the suites. The main boaite looked untouched by the fire. After T65 closed and now 4 x 4, it is a major blow to the Centro mongering scene. First, all the major escort agencies closed down, than Help, and now all these major Termas one by one. Looks like I might have to stick of Monte Carlo, Solarium, Cancun and Barbarellas for my next trip.[/QUOTE]Termas 65 is open again, but it has yet to return to where it was before in terms of a quality line-up of tutes. I had some of my very best sessions there with some really hot girls. Fucked them all in the ass good.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2385783]I love a nice ass but most important to me is having a pretty face as I can't fuck a girl I'm not attracted to.[/QUOTE]I'm like you. I can't get to that ass if I can't get past that face. I have to have both. My brother is like you're not fucking the face, you're fucking the hind parts! Ha! But hey, if I don't like that pie hole (face), then I'm not going to make it to that booty hole LOL! Here are two examples of girls who I butt fucked in Brazil who I find to have very attractive faces. The first one was from Sampa, and the second one from Rio. Buggered both of their extremely pretty, tight, dirty little branca butt holes! I'll have seconds please! Hahaha! I only cornhole the prettiest tutes per my own personal tastes and standards. Not everybody likes what I like, but then again, they don't have to. Nobody pays to procure my tutes but me, so I'm the only one who needs to think they are pretty.

[QUOTE=Jubby007;2386599][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zArRqZ24N6I[/URL]

I think the fire damaged only the Whiskeria and the connecting stairways to the suites. The main boaite looked untouched by the fire. After T65 closed and now 4 x 4, it is a major blow to the Centro mongering scene. First, all the major escort agencies closed down, than Help, and now all these major Termas one by one. Looks like I might have to stick of Monte Carlo, Solarium, Cancun and Barbarellas for my next trip.[/QUOTE]Taxi driver told me that Termas Aeroporto opened again as well.

I had a great time in Centro yesterday!

Didn't miss 4 x 4 at all!

LOL.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2386827]Taxi driver told me that Termas Aeroporto opened again as well.[/QUOTE]I heard that it was open as a gay termas.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2386767]I'm like you. I can't get to that ass if I can't get past that face. I have to have both. My brother is like you're not fucking the face, you're fucking the hind parts! Ha! But hey, if I don't like that pie hole (face), then I'm not going to make it to that booty hole LOL! Here are two examples of girls who I butt fucked in Brazil who I find to have very attractive faces. The first one was from Sampa, and the second one from Rio. Buggered both of their extremely pretty, tight, dirty little branca butt holes! I'll have seconds please! Hahaha! I only cornhole the prettiest tutes per my own personal tastes and standards. Not everybody likes what I like, but then again, they don't have to. Nobody pays to procure my tutes but me, so I'm the only one who needs to think they are pretty.[/QUOTE]Wow they look good.

How much did they cost you?

Thanks for the reply.

4 by4 will open again, they were insured. We just need to be patient.

[QUOTE=Confiable;2386510]You said it best. Help attracted girls from all over Brasil and it was a sight to see. It was funny to see some women running to get into HELP in order to pay the discount price after they rang the bell. I went twice after Help closed and the vibe and talent (local) was horrible. I did all the tourist attractions in Rio. Did carnival, New Years, went to Niteroi, and Buzios. I had my share of fun and memories. One of the biggest differences also POST HELP is the girls asking price.[/QUOTE]T65 did not close, T65 is still here. 4 by4 won't close down. They will open again when everything is renovated. All termas are insured.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2386767]I'm like you. I can't get to that ass if I can't get past that face. I have to have both. My brother is like you're not fucking the face, you're fucking the hind parts! Ha! But hey, if I don't like that pie hole (face), then I'm not going to make it to that booty hole LOL! Here are two examples of girls who I butt fucked in Brazil who I find to have very attractive faces. The first one was from Sampa, and the second one from Rio. Buggered both of their extremely pretty, tight, dirty little branca butt holes! I'll have seconds please! Hahaha! I only cornhole the prettiest tutes per my own personal tastes and standards. Not everybody likes what I like, but then again, they don't have to. Nobody pays to procure my tutes but me, so I'm the only one who needs to think they are pretty.[/QUOTE]Well done TC. Luving those 2 babes. I'm in SP now and seeking and finding similar sweethearts.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2386767]I'm like you. I can't get to that ass if I can't get past that face. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2385783]I love a nice ass but most important to me is having a pretty face as I can't fuck a girl I'm not attracted to.

Solarium and Centaurus are out of my price range, 4 x 4 sounded good but obviously that's not an option now.

How would you rate the facial attractiveness on average for the girls in the other termas, massagem mabs etc? [/QUOTE]Everybody has different taste but for me these girls are outstanding, thank you for posting I see there is still hope for Brazil.

But his question was how is the facial attractiveness on average for the girls in the other termas, massagem, Mabs etc? Is that where you found that girl from Rio? Did you meet her in a centro privee or a centro massagem or even Mabs? If it was implied sorry I missed it. Where can one find GDP's of this nature? .

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2387115]T65 did not close, T65 is still here. 4 by4 won't close down. They will open again when everything is renovated. All termas are insured.[/QUOTE]Hands down 4 x4 was above all other termas in quality, quantity, and price. In copa, it was Luomo before it closed.

In "death in the afternoon," Hemingway wrote that in Portugal, the wives are more attractive than the mistresses.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2385302]A week without 4 X4 got people so desperate that they are fucking their own wives![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheWatcher;2386989]I heard that it was open as a gay termas.[/QUOTE]I heard the exact same thing. From 4 different people. "gay bathhouse" now.

With much apprehension I decided to try Cancun for the 1st time last Tuesday. Very pissed off that I had been in Rio but involved with a girl & missed 4 X 4, was actually planing on going the day of the fire. Anyway with Copa Termas out of my budget I decided to give Cancun a bash, if talent was week it would be the lose of an entire fee & a drink. Pleasantly surprised that entry was only are $80 & it was all for consumption. Arrived at 5.30 pm, talent was impressive before 7 pm it was off the hook. Are $400 for a hydro suite for an hour is hard to beat. Can't remember her name but she was OK, I pulled trigger too fast not her fault. Started chatting to a stunner about 20 minutes after I had finished my session, we chatted for close to 2 hours till she was free to leave at 10 pm where she came with me for some food & fun till 2. 30 am for are $500 plus Uber home. They have got a large influx from 4 x 4 I heard from a few girls.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2386767]I'm like you. I can't get to that ass if I can't get past that face. I have to have both. My brother is like you're not fucking the face, you're fucking the hind parts! Ha! But hey, if I don't like that pie hole (face), then I'm not going to make it to that booty hole LOL! Here are two examples of girls who I butt fucked in Brazil who I find to have very attractive faces. The first one was from Sampa, and the second one from Rio. Buggered both of their extremely pretty, tight, dirty little branca butt holes! I'll have seconds please! Hahaha! I only cornhole the prettiest tutes per my own personal tastes and standards. Not everybody likes what I like, but then again, they don't have to. Nobody pays to procure my tutes but me, so I'm the only one who needs to think they are pretty.[/QUOTE]Wow I like your taste especially the one of the right. How much did she set you back? Considering a trip to Rio in the near future.

[QUOTE=Haras;2372665]I'm in the same situation!

Decided to visit Brazil this year after the last few holidays in Thailand. Hope I don't regret it.

Has anyone had any recent experience of Copa 583? It's probably the first place I'll hit when I land.

[URL]https://www.copa583.com.br/[/URL][/QUOTE]At 3 pm on Thursday they had around 7 garotas. Their uniform is tight white tights. I believe the options are 20,40, or 1 HR. I believe 40 minutes. Is R140.2 girls for 1 HR. May be R230. Clean termae. I chose the last girl in the lineup. I believe she is 5'2 and 21 yo. Blonde. She sold me by speaking English. I liked 3 of the girls in the lineup. Flo was the first girl and my girl suggested a dopla. I like Flo and may try her if I have the opportunity. Upstairs in 401 is Eden. It is more expensive. They have more girls during peak. Don't go between 11:30 and and 1 pm. They only had 3 girls available at 1. I chose a tall thin garota who gave a good massage but let it cut into the action time. I find Eden girls more raunchier but it is more expensive. A dupla is R330. The chicks in this building probably max out at 8. I consider them overall hotter than the girls at SP clinicas. A lot of girls perform CBJ.

[QUOTE=RioBob;2387267]Everybody has different taste but for me these girls are outstanding, thank you for posting I see there is still hope for Brazil.

But his question was how is the facial attractiveness on average for the girls in the other termas, massagem, Mabs etc? Is that where you found that girl from Rio? Did you meet her in a centro privee or a centro massagem or even Mabs? If it was implied sorry I missed it. Where can one find GDP's of this nature? .[/QUOTE]Yeah that's what I'm desperate to know LOL.

I've narrowed my next trip down to Rio or Bogota, I loved Medellin but it's like three flights each way for me.

Really want to try Rio but I don't find the terma girls in my price range attractive, there's no point in spending the extra money going there over Colombia.

Any advice off anyone is really appreciated.

[QUOTE=RioBob;2387267]Everybody has different taste but for me these girls are outstanding, thank you for posting I see there is still hope for Brazil. But his question was how is the facial attractiveness on average for the girls in the other termas, massagem, Mabs etc? Is that where you found that girl from Rio? Did you meet her in a centro privee or a centro massagem or even Mabs? If it was implied sorry I missed it. Where can one find GDP's of this nature?[/QUOTE]I wrote an extensive series of reports involving my travels throughout Brazil, and you don't have to look to hard to find them, as the trip was relatively recent. Everybody needs to RTFF please. I don't have the time to go over it all again.

Monte Carlo was amazing. With this being my first trip to Brazil, I was pleasantly surprised to see how the mongering scene is set up here. Monte Carlo had top shelf talent relative to what I can find in the states. Didn't feel pressured by the ladies or staff, though the door man did request a "chip" (tip) on the way out. Both times. All in, I highly recommend this place to newbies.

I did my inaugural trip to Dolce Vita after 4 am on Sun. Morning. Cover is R50. Soda R10. Music seemed cool but I didn't focus completely on the DJ. Lots of nice garotas 25 to 40 yo. The place started thinning out at 4:30 which is nice because the venue is compact. A couple of garotas chit chatted with me. I really liked a dark haired chick in a beige long skirt. She quoted me R300 for 1+ HR. Considering I spent about the same as I would at Barabella's. They have an optional 10% tip. I doubt I return when I can see the same chicks on the street are at Mab's without the cover charge. On the corner is a strip club called Casa Blanca. The doorman from Houston said cover is R100. The chicks didn't look that hot when I passed. Apparently they close at 5 am where Dolce goes until 8 am.

Who the fuck makes a Saturday a national holiday? Brazil, that's who! It pays to research holidays for your mongering destination, and yesterday I made the mistake of not doing so. Round trip from Barra to Solarium and back jacked up on Viagra, priceless. Fuck me, everything was closed. Even my regulars were either "sick" or busy. Research baby, research!

By trying different methods, using an ATM connected to a major bank (not a stand-alone ATM at a hotel, for example) will net you the best bang (sic) for your buck. Even my regular "jewelry store / travel agent" sources came up woefully short compared to bank ATMs.

*Bradesco Bank ATM at Barra Shopping: 3. 96:1.

Kiosk next door to Bradesco Bank: 3. 67:1.

ATM at hotel: less than 3:1 (for use in emergencies only).

My favorite back-door grumpy exchange dude in Ipanema 3. 75:1.

Ditto from my guy in Copa. YMMV.

*My bank adds a $5. 00 out of system ATM fee, which knocks the rate down to 3. 90:1, but still significantly lower than any other option.

I still use a credit card at hotels and restaurants because I don't have to pay foreign currency exchange fees, and I get that day's exchange rate. But at Termas I use cash to take advantage of a fairly significant discount.

TL: DR Payment Methods.

Cash from a bank ATM while mongering. CCs everywhere else.

[QUOTE=Chezz;2388321]Who the fuck makes a Saturday a national holiday? Brazil, that's who! It pays to research holidays for your mongering destination, and yesterday I made the mistake of not doing so. Round trip from Barra to Solarium and back jacked up on Viagra, priceless. Fuck me, everything was closed. Even my regulars were either "sick" or busy. Research baby, research![/QUOTE]Glad I left town to Sao Paulo on Sat morning, or I would have been frustrated along side with you.

[QUOTE=Chezz;2388321]Who the fuck makes a Saturday a national holiday? Brazil, that's who! It pays to research holidays for your mongering destination, and yesterday I made the mistake of not doing so. Round trip from Barra to Solarium and back jacked up on Viagra, priceless. Fuck me, everything was closed. Even my regulars were either "sick" or busy. Research baby, research![/QUOTE]Mexico also observers Nov. 1 and Colombia has crazy holidays on Tues.

I got better than the rate on Google and your ATM rates at the casas in Copa. Sao Paulo rates sucked.

[QUOTE=Cool;2388443]I got better than the rate on Google and your ATM rates at the casas in Copa. Sao Paulo rates sucked.[/QUOTE]What was the rate you got in Copa?

I got 4.1 on Halloween and 4. 12 today with the place before the park that has best rate pasted on front windows. Next door had a lot of people exchanging but they gave 4. 05.

Right around the corner. November 20th is a Holiday. Something related to Black Heritage. Things are slower than usual.

It's hard to pinpoint the best time to visit Prives. Girls seem to have flexibility in their sched. I saw 3 ladies I liked in the Copa 583 lineup last week. I didn't pick the first 4 ladies today. The receptionist told me to return in 5 minutes. And their would be 3 more ladies. I'm not sure how many ladies Copa employs but it seems I've seen 80% of their lineup in my 2 visits. I thought between Copa and Eden I had a month supply of Options. I was wrong. At Eden only 3 chicks were available at 16:30. The queue of 15 beauties is not an everyday thing. With boates you have more time to decide and talk. More costly for motel and garota and less safe and discreet. Some trash places have long commutes and bad quality not worth small savings. I'm not going to waste my time or Copa 583 time by going back since it seems they offer about 7 garotas. I'm going to venture to other prives. I hit Bel Prazer Fri. And they had 4 garotas at 11:20 am. The place was kinda backwards because half of girls that kissed the latino customer didn't give me a kiss. I only liked 1 of the 4 ladies (blk outfit / busty) but the chica I liked didn't give me a kiss during presentao but the other guy so I bounced.

Here are there biz card. Copa charges 180/ HR vs 200 for Eden. They open from 10 to 10.

I went to Mab's tonight after 11 pm and the 6 scorching hotties did not show up or they got snatched up earlier. I guess it's a work night for the locals. I saw 3 really old garotas. Dolce Vita has no choice but to waive the cover charge on weekdays. There were probably less than 10 garotas on the dance floor. It probably picked up when Mabs closed 10 minutes. Later but I am not at liberty to sleep in. Sadly, I did not run into the chick with the beige skirt. I regret not negotiating with her on Sat. Casa Blanca (strip joint) had 2 decent looking cuties at the door. But one of the chicks used a racial slur within 20 sec of me talking to the barker at the door. That killed the chances of me parting with R100 for 2 drinks or whatever they charge on weekdays.

Just finished an incredible first time tour of Rio de Janeiro. Here are some things I wish I knew as a newbie.

The Sunday is a total dead day in Rio. All money exchanges, massage shops in Copacabana are closed! Nothing was open. It was a horrible situation as I didn't exchange money on sat which also happened to be a holiday. The only place to exchange money was Rio Sul shopping centre in afternoon which offered 375 for 100 USD. Luckily I managed to exchange at Real Palace Hotel in Copacabana at 390.

I should have made prior arrangements for Sunday. Ended up sleeping alone.

Rio does not have freelancer scene, Mab; s was dead or hopeless on 3 nights I visited before Sat. Had 2-3 fuglies outside with may be 2-3 inside. Nothing that I would like to put my paws on. May be it picks up a bit around midnight but I don't see the attraction to wait that long.

Despite trying hard, I could not get a tourist sim. It was very frustrating to find even Tim stores refusing to sell tourist "chip".

Some Taxi drivers are scoundrels, an asshole charged me almost 35 Reals extra during a short ride from Ipanema.

Uber is excellent in Rio and the way to go. Make sure to download offline translate which comes in very handy.

Saturday and Sunday Copacabana beach was full of predominantly black families, other days it was mixed and not so busy.

Rio is a safe city, the whole unsafe thing has been blown out of proportion by a factor of 10000. I travelled alone in Copacabana, Ipanema, leblon, Rio sul right upton 9 PM. No problem at all. Tons of peeps looking at their phones on streets. One needs to be careful as it is abig city but I found it to be safer than NY.

English is not widely spoken but people are friendly and sign language works well.

Sexo Scene.

I thoroughly enjoyed visiting massage shops in copa area with copa 583 being my favorite. They have excellent rooms, about 10-12 girls each time I was shown the lineup. The service quality was excellent. Other places had 4-5 girls max each time I checked them out.

I made a fantastic decision to visit Euro Spa near Jardim Oceanico Metro. I saw 2 cuties out 4 and opted for the dupla for 300. The third chick was cool too. Priscilla is a slim blonde with tight body. My other GP was more thicker with a big bunda. The sex was better than the massage. I give the massage a be. Very clean and nice lighting to get you in the mood. I went after 7 pm on Tues. Another site rates them as a top 5 Rio prive and I agree. After 40 minutes of massage and action I was happy. I burnt the rest of my hour in shower and redressing. Make sure you bring exact change if you like to tip for good service.

[QUOTE=Cool;2388859]I got 4.1 on Halloween and 4. 12 today with the place before the park that has best rate pasted on front windows. Next door had a lot of people exchanging but they gave 4. 05.[/QUOTE]Cool. I was in Copacabana same time as you and got good rates from quality cambio on ave nossa. 400 or 405 for 100 usd and 305 for cad.

But it seems like you found a better one, where exactly is this exchange located, any name comes to mind?

[QUOTE=Chezz;2388321]Who the fuck makes a Saturday a national holiday? Brazil, that's who! It pays to research holidays for your mongering destination, and yesterday I made the mistake of not doing so. Round trip from Barra to Solarium and back jacked up on Viagra, priceless. Fuck me, everything was closed. Even my regulars were either "sick" or busy. Research baby, research![/QUOTE]You were not alone, I was mighty bummed out on Sunday. Day was a total waste, can't believe nothing is open in touristy area of Copacabana in one of the largest cities int the world. All shops were closed including all sex venues. Wish I knew earlier that it is this bad on Sundays.

[QUOTE=Cool;2388869]It's hard to pinpoint the best time to visit Prives. Girls seem to have flexibility in their sched. I saw 3 ladies I liked in the Copa 583 lineup last week. I didn't pick the first 4 ladies today. The receptionist told me to return in 5 minutes. And their would be 3 more ladies. I'm not sure how many ladies Copa employs but it seems I've seen 80% of their lineup in my 2 visits. I thought between Copa and Eden I had a month supply of Options. I was wrong. At Eden only 3 chicks were available at 16:30. The queue of 15 beauties is not an everyday thing. With boates you have more time to decide and talk. More costly for motel and garota and less safe and discreet. Some trash places have long commutes and bad quality not worth small savings. I'm not going to waste my time or Copa 583 time by going back since it seems they offer about 7 garotas. I'm going to venture to other prives. I hit Bel Prazer Fri. And they had 4 garotas at 11:20 am. The place was kinda backwards because half of girls that kissed the latino customer didn't give me a kiss. I only liked 1 of the 4 ladies (blk outfit / busty) but the chica I liked didn't give me a kiss during presentao but the other guy so I bounced.[/QUOTE]Low price places (prives trash clubs etc) despise gringos they don't want them there they prefer their local clients.

At those places you'll never be treated and served like the locals (unfortunately).

Termas are the best option for the gringos.

Only there you'll be treated almost like the locals.

If you go to nice places you'll be treated nicely.

If you go to trash you'll be treated like a trash.

Simple as that.

[QUOTE=Chezz;2388332]*My bank adds a $5. 00 out of system ATM fee,[/QUOTE]If you're from the states, Charles Schwab bank refunds all ATM fees at the end of the month. There are a few other banks that do the same. Google is your friend.

I asked few questions on this forum, you guys were very helpful in making my trip a memorable one so here is something from my side.

I arrived in Rio early morning and took uber from airport to Copacabana. About are 30 due to rush hour traffic. Checked in and went to Copa583 around 11 which became my default go to place. There were about 10 girls in line up, they all enter rooms, introduce themselves and kiss on the cheeks. All were quite enthusiastic. However about 70% were black, not my cup of tea. Settled on a slim beauty, Marcelli for an hour 170 or 180. The room was very clean and decent with a massage bed and a regular queen sized bed with glass shower. Excellent way to spend quality time with chicks without worrying about them going through your pockets when you are taking shower. From the first moment the girl was all over me, embraced and kissed me like a boyfriend. The sex was awesome. BBBJ was delivered with professional expertise and amateur sweetness. Oh my god. I was afraid of falling in love within hours of landing in Rio.

I returned to copa583 everyday during rest of stay. Each time I was treated very well by working girls and reception. Every single girl I had provided full GFE experience with DATY, BBBJ, kissing, DFK and multiple positions. Not one girl asked for tips. No one was clock watcher. Had anal twice for extra 50 reals. The sex was out of this world. I was blown away by the GFE. I had heard about it but only now I understand why some mongers prefer Brazil over Thailand.

I went to Mab's once but was turned off by past their prime garotas. There wasn't much variety to choose from, just a couple of girls late in the night. Two girls requested drinks but I politely declined by providing an excuse.

I also ordered a girl online from photoaccomp. Website. She was OK, not spectacular but provided good company for couple of hours outdoors as well as in the bed.

I could not visit other incall places but do plan on returning soon. Most of useful information I read about copa583 was gleamed from this forum and a *****monger website. Overall I am extremely thankful to all of you for introducing me to wonderful world of mongering in Brazil.

[QUOTE=VilaMimosa;2389548]Low price places (prives trash clubs etc) despise gringos they don't want them there they prefer their local clients.

At those places you'll never be treated and served like the locals (unfortunately).

Termas are the best option for the gringos.

Only there you'll be treated almost like the locals.

If you go to nice places you'll be treated nicely.

If you go to trash you'll be treated like a trash.

Simple as that.[/QUOTE]That may be your experience, however, not mine at all.

My experience has been just the opposite actually.

Many years in both SP and Rio enjoying the scene.

The trash places in both cities have treated me very well, and I have found the true diamonds there.

This is a decent boate. No cover charge. R15 sodas. The chicks weren't my taste. Silicone, muscle, tats. OK crowd for midweek. I can't really compare to other nearby venues since it's not weekend. I really like Mab's because it's low cost. I haven't been to their competitor that starts with a M. They charge R100 for drinks.

I'm a little bit surprised about all the reports of Copacabana privées, like 583. Why not walk down one block to the metro, head to centro and have a much wider range of privées to choose from with better quality and lower prices?

That's odd. I saw only 1 or 2 black girls in 583 lineup. Hope this helps with exchange question. I got 4. 12 today.

[QUOTE=Cool;2390202]That's odd. I saw only 1 or 2 black girls in 583 lineup. Hope this helps with exchange question. I got 4. 12 today.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. The place is Best Exchange Rate, Av. Nossa Sra. De Copacabana, 371 - B/C, Copacabana, Rio de Janeiro.

I'm sorry for writing (and repeating myself) in the wrong thread, but everything in this forum ends up in the Rio thread.

If you have a small amount to exchange, do it where ever you like.

If you have a larger amount of cash to change, my advice is to do like this:
1. First check the rate on PM Turismo website:
[URL]http://www.pmturismo.com.br[/URL]
The rate on PM Turismo website is decent, but you can expect a clearly better rate if you negotiate well with the cambios mentioned below.
2. Then you'll get an idea what's the going rate in the casa de cambios.
3. Go to centro and check out Casa Behar and PMTurismo on Av Rio Branco. Check the rates.
4. Then you head to Rua Xavier da Silveira in Copa. On that street you have 3 cambios and around the corner on NS Cop you have 2 more. In five minutes you can check the rate at all the cambios. BlameitonRio-Bobby will give you a bad rate. If you go to Berthas make sure you speak with the obese guy (the owner).
P.S If you change Euros you get a extra good rate if you have very neat and new 500 Euro bills.

Always negotiate with the owner. In Brazil everything is possible to negotiate.
When I arrive in Rio I usually end up with gaining R$500 just by comparing the rates.

P.S If you have really large amounts of cash you should find a doleiro.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2390142]I'm a little bit surprised about all the reports of Copacabana prives, like 583. Why not walk down one block to the metro, head to centro and have a much wider range of prives to choose from with better quality and lower prices?[/QUOTE]This was my first time in Rio so I didn't want to push my luck. Also I had to do lot of sightseeing.

I will certainly try centro next time. Can you please suggest two or three places similar to copa583 that are close to metro stations and how much they charge?

[QUOTE=Sperto;2390417]I'm sorry for writing (and repeating myself) in the wrong thread, but everything in this forum ends up in the Rio thread.

If you have a small amount to exchange, do it where ever you like.


P.S If you have really large amounts of cash you should find a doleiro.[/QUOTE]For large amounts I exchange far from Zona Sul.

Pretty much all tourists stay in Zona Sul so there is a large supply of dollars there. Go to non-tourist areas and the exchangers see hardly any dolar supply and need to get their dollars somewhere else.

When I exchange larger amounts outside main parts of the city I typically get 10-20 centavos more on the dollar over the best rates in Zona Sul.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2389702]That may be your experience, however, not mine at all.

My experience has been just the opposite actually.

Many years in both SP and Rio enjoying the scene.

The trash places in both cities have treated me very well, and I have found the true diamonds there.[/QUOTE]That's a Rio tread I don't know about sampa maybe they're more educated and less ignorant, arrogant.

In some of those shitty holes they don't let you choose the time you want or don't want to attend you at all.

The only reason for that cause you're a gringo (to them you're a stupid stinky idiot who needs to be ripped off).

Gringos don't complain give tips for nothing etc.

The word gringo become a "and"word for me I don't let them call me a gringo at those shitty places called prives low price houses.

Someone diamonds just an other regular stones to others.

I know few guys on this board trying hard to make a propaganda for those places talking about diamonds and pearls.

But that's a far away from the truth.

At the end of the day who cares if they don't want to attend you and treat you with respect.

They didn't get your money.

And they're there cause of the money.

What an absurd.

[QUOTE=VilaMimosa;2390669]That's a Rio tread I don't know about sampa maybe they're more educated and less ignorant, arrogant.

In some of those shitty holes they don't let you choose the time you want or don't want to attend you at all.

The only reason for that cause you're a gringo (to them you're a stupid stinky idiot who needs to be ripped off).

Gringos don't complain give tips for nothing etc.

The word gringo become a "and"word for me I don't let them call me a gringo at those shitty places called prives low price houses.

Someone diamonds just an other regular stones to others.

I know few guys on this board trying hard to make a propaganda for those places talking about diamonds and pearls.

But that's a far away from the truth.

At the end of the day who cares if they don't want to attend you and treat you with respect.

They didn't get your money.

And they're there cause of the money.

What an absurd.[/QUOTE]Hmmm, I have no clue what you're talking about.

Good luck.

Well this is a continuation from my report when I was there last month. This is help fellow first timers who are curious and / or need some help. After RTTF I went to other termas. The main one I hit were close to Copacabana area. I went to 4 x 4 it was OK didn't have much of selection. They were aggressive but no where near like Monte Carlo. This may been due a lot more guys being there. The 4 x 4 is in the centro area and was comparable in lounge area to the Monte Carlo. The entrance fee was 60 R compared to 120 R for the Monte Carlo.

We left went back to Monte Carlo same girls from previous night with a few more. As soon as we got in and like before girls were aggressive. I ignored them but they are persistent to make that paper. I finally settled for one after 20 minutes. Same routine as before they lead you to their locker room to change before going to room. I can't remember her name but she was a little older but Had a bigger ass. The session was good more GFE like and stayed the entire time. Tried to get a second one out but couldn't.

Our last night there we tried centaurs yes it is expensive. We went because a friend of a friend who lives there recommended it saying it had the hottest girls. The entrance was 120 I believe any vet can't correct it if I'm wrong. The girls are literally waiting by the door as you walked in. They follow you into the locker room and follow you up stairs to the lounge area. The are on you like flies on shit. My other friends had gotten their girls and 2 on my hip all night. I said fuck it took them both for 3 some. They took fucking forever what it seemed like to come from the dressing room. Finally when they got in there was business as usual.

I made out with both girls. It started off both going on but for little bit then one jumped on my face and the other continued to suck on my dick. They switched so girl 1 was on my face and girl 2 sucked me off. She put the rubber on and hit in for CG. I busted in the condom and chilled with them for the last few minutes. Overall it was OK but not best ever.

So in all in my experience 4 x 4 had the lowest entrance fee compared to the centaurs and mc.

All 3 the girls were aggressive getting you with the 4 x 4 being the least centaurs the most and the cost being in the same sequence.

It was a good experience wished would had hit up copa 583 and went back to 4 x 4.

We did have a girl that just went up to us after walking the beach by the palace. Something did seemed off that she walked up to 2 random guys in the open. She tried to get us to for a beer and get us to come up to the room. Any insight on this? My friend thought could been a set up or something?

Anyways this is her from that day.

From reading this thread it sounds like the massage places in Centro are like in office buildings, can someone describe the buildings and are they hard to locate, especially speaking no Portuguese?

I'm worried I'll go there and not be able to find them.

Also what's the definition of a trash price?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Zorro;2391079]Well this is a continuation from my report when I was there last month. This is help fellow first timers who are curious and / or need some help.

We did have a girl that just went up to us after walking the beach by the palace. Something did seemed off that she walked up to 2 random guys in the open. She tried to get us to for a beer and get us to come up to the room. Any insight on this? My friend thought could been a set up or something?

Anyways this is her from that day.[/QUOTE]This is why it is important for new guys or infrequent visitors to report. It is a matter of perspective, knowledge and experience.

The few people here who actually speak Portuguese and over the years have spent months in Rio see the city and its venues from a totally different perspective. For example, I have no idea what all this discussion is about girl-friendly hotels, because I have never had an issue with bringing in different girls at multiple hotels around Rio. Others, whom have had issues can better address it.

As for your girl on the beach, that is how it used to be done. Particularly when Help was still around. A girl might be from the North zone or even from somewhere else in Brazil. She doesn't have a place to stay so is looking to hook up with a gringo. She can take shower, if you are nice, maybe get something to eat, make some money and get a few hours sleep.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2391117]From reading this thread it sounds like the massage places in Centro are like in office buildings, can someone describe the buildings and are they hard to locate, especially speaking no Portuguese?

I'm worried I'll go there and not be able to find them.

Also what's the definition of a trash price?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]This is why it would be nice if everyone stopped putting all the nonsense in the report threads. These buildings have been discussed, but the information is not easily found. The only thing that is asked is don't act like a stupid gringo, roaming the halls of the buildings in packs and loudly knocking on doors.

[URL]https://espacoterapias.com.br/massagistas/[/URL]

[URL]https://terapiasonline.com.br/terapeutas[/URL]

[URL]https://rjmassagem.com.br/terapeutas/[/URL]

[URL]https://rjmassagem.com.br/terapeuta/carol/[/URL]

(got wood just looking at her pictures).

Just from these links the Portuguese challenged should have picked up a couple of key words: massagista, terapeutas. Search engines are your friends.

Usually, but certainly not always, massage means happy ending. You can communicate via Whatsapp and ask. This is not the United States, no one in Rio is going to be embarrassed or offended if you ask about the extent of their services. If you look at Carol's post you see she does Tantric. Will she do more, I would certainly like to know. Do keep in mind that women will do what they feel comfortable with, with whom they feel comfortable with. This is why I go out of my way to emphasis not to be a jerk and to have impeccable hygiene. Since I happen to enjoy good sex more than alcohol, I also never visit intoxicated. The girls do talk and you don't want to get a reputation around Rio as the guy whose Willy won't.

For those who speak Portuguese or willing to translate:

[URL]https://forumx.com.br[/URL]

[URL]https://www.gp-guia.net/forum2015/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.gataurbana.com/blog/forum-gpguia-elite-gpface-cutuca/[/URL]

(lists some other sources).

For those who speak Portuguese, don't look like a perv and have winning personalities (encantador, charmoso) you could also enter a large office building on Rio Branco in Centro and ask the doormen. Good doormen can tell you what color a girl's underwear is on any given day. They definitely are up on where the latest privees are located. Whether they will tell you, is another story.

[QUOTE=ExecTalent;2391195]This is why it would be nice if everyone stopped putting all the nonsense in the report threads. These buildings have been discussed, but the information is not easily found. The only thing that is asked is don't act like a stupid gringo, roaming the halls of the buildings in packs and loudly knocking on doors.

[URL]https://espacoterapias.com.br/massagistas/[/URL]

[URL]https://terapiasonline.com.br/terapeutas[/URL]

[URL]https://rjmassagem.com.br/terapeutas/[/URL]

[URL]https://rjmassagem.com.br/terapeuta/carol/[/URL]

(got wood just looking at her pictures).[/QUOTE]Thanks for the detailed answer.

I don't drink alcohol either and I always try to be respectful.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2390142]I'm a little bit surprised about all the reports of Copacabana prives, like 583. Why not walk down one block to the metro, head to centro and have a much wider range of prives to choose from with better quality and lower prices?[/QUOTE]Laziness!! Thats why. I can train a chimpanzee how to use the Metro. I learned how to use it myself, and no, I am not a chimpanzee.

Since the creation of google maps, there just are no more excuses guys. It is what it is.

[QUOTE=ExecTalent;2391195][URL]https://rjmassagem.com.br/terapeutas/[/URL]

[URL]https://rjmassagem.com.br/terapeuta/carol/[/URL]

(got wood just looking at her pictures)..[/QUOTE]Any confirmed reports of extras available here, went last week had a 2 hour Swedish & Tantric combo for $400, with Grisiela was told topless only included with Nuru but a HJ is included with all, but no option for BJ or FS.

[QUOTE=Mangera;2391431]Laziness!! Thats why. I can train a chimpanzee how to use the Metro. I learned how to use it myself, and no, I am not a chimpanzee.

Since the creation of google maps, there just are no more excuses guys. It is what it is.[/QUOTE]There are always guys who park there ass most of the time in Copacabana.

Fifteen-twenty years ago, guys would hire guides to take them to Centro. Without a smartphone and very limited Portuguese, I would tell a cab driver where I wanted to go. When the driver got lost in Centro, I had sense enough to get out and know the direction I was heading.

Smartphones, the Metro and Uber does mean there are no excuses.

[QUOTE=Mangera;2391431]Laziness!! Thats why. I can train a chimpanzee how to use the Metro. I learned how to use it myself, and no, I am not a chimpanzee.

Since the creation of google maps, there just are no more excuses guys. It is what it is.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2391840]

Smartphones, the Metro and Uber does mean there are no excuses.[/QUOTE]No excuse? LOL you guys are funny. What if we just don't like going downtown and walking from building to building or from floor to floor, up and down the stairs, in the elevator and out looking for that diamond or gem that you might see once in a while. I seen guys spend all day going from place to place then at the end of the day backtrack to screw the one that appealed to them. This is OK if this is what you like to do but not everybody does, there are other ways to have fun in the land of bunda.

[QUOTE=Mangera;2391431]Laziness!! Thats why. I can train a chimpanzee how to use the Metro. I learned how to use it myself, and no, I am not a chimpanzee.

Since the creation of google maps, there just are no more excuses guys. It is what it is.[/QUOTE]So is Centro so much better than the prives in Copacabana? I didn't bother going to Centro because of several reasons, the most important would be that I was busy with sightseeing during the day and I thought that the prives in Centro wouldn't offer me anything better than what's available in Eden Spa or Delirio.

If you are saying that Bel Prazer, or whatever the top prive is called, provides higher quality garotas, then I will be there. If it is simply about saving 40 reais / fuck then its not worth it for me as a tourist.

[QUOTE=Zorro;2391079]

We did have a girl that just went up to us after walking the beach by the palace. Something did seemed off that she walked up to 2 random guys in the open. She tried to get us to for a beer and get us to come up to the room. Any insight on this? My friend thought could been a set up or something?

Anyways this is her from that day.[/QUOTE]Wow have times changed, there was a time when a man could walk up and down Copacabana during the day and get propositioned multiple times by many girls even 2 at a time. At night fugetaboutit especially during the nightly migration down to Help, girls might be looking to make the door cover charge just to get in to Help. So many times I've been asked if I wanted a quick BBBJ so they can make money just to get in to Help. I guess now it seems abnormal LOL.

[QUOTE=RioBob;2391919]No excuse? LOL you guys are funny. What if we just don't like going downtown and walking from building to building or from floor to floor, up and down the stairs, in the elevator and out looking for that diamond or gem that you might see once in a while. I seen guys spend all day going from place to place then at the end of the day backtrack to screw the one that appealed to them. This is OK if this is what you like to do but not everybody does, there are other ways to have fun in the land of bunda.[/QUOTE]LOL, I guess we can add "walking" to the list of excuses.

[QUOTE=Mangera;2391963]LOL, I guess we can add "walking" to the list of excuses.[/QUOTE]Lazy gringos, could be. I'm just surprised that mongers go all the way to Brazil just to monger in Copacabana. To me it seems so weird. However, I shed no tears if they don't discover centro. There is always a risk recommending discrete privées to newbies.

[QUOTE=RioBob;2391942]Wow have times changed, there was a time when a man could walk up and down Copacabana during the day and get propositioned multiple times by many girls even 2 at a time. At night fugetaboutit especially during the nightly migration down to Help, girls might be looking to make the door cover charge just to get in to Help. So many times I've been asked if I wanted a quick BBBJ so they can make money just to get in to Help. I guess now it seems abnormal LOL.[/QUOTE]In 2008, met two girl cousins from Nova Iguaçyou during the late afternoon at the restaurant in front of Help will eating frango frango passarinho with chop. I took the girls to my apartment and fucked both for are $100 total that up until Help opened, and after they showed again dressed and went on to Help. I am still friends with the on Facebook.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2392026]Lazy gringos, could be. I'm just surprised that mongers go all the way to Brazil just to monger in Copacabana. To me it seems so weird. However, I shed no tears if they don't discover centro. There is always a risk recommending discrete prives to newbies.[/QUOTE]I am one of the lazy gringos. Was always happy with the available fare in and around Copacabana inclusive of occasional trips downtown to 4 X 4. With no 4 X 4 now I may consider widening my horizons exploring centro.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2391934]So is Centro so much better than the prives in Copacabana? I didn't bother going to Centro because of several reasons, the most important would be that I was busy with sightseeing during the day and I thought that the prives in Centro wouldn't offer me anything better than what's available in Eden Spa or Delirio.

If you are saying that Bel Prazer, or whatever the top prive is called, provides higher quality garotas, then I will be there. If it is simply about saving 40 reais / fuck then its not worth it for me as a tourist.[/QUOTE]Not any difference at all (quality prices etc) I would say prives at copacabana are even better.

Until you get to centro the best ones got already 10 or more local dicks inside.

Do what you feel is best to you don't listen to anybody.

Now on the good news side, 4 x 4 reopens Monday.

[QUOTE=RioBob;2391919]No excuse? LOL you guys are funny. What if we just don't like going downtown and walking from building to building or from floor to floor, up and down the stairs, in the elevator and out looking for that diamond or gem that you might see once in a while. I seen guys spend all day going from place to place then at the end of the day backtrack to screw the one that appealed to them. This is OK if this is what you like to do but not everybody does, there are other ways to have fun in the land of bunda.[/QUOTE]It really is all good. I don't get swapping GDPs at swing clubs, but it is interesting reading about it. Sometimes people are only in Rio for a few days and want to make the best use of their time. Some guys have a bigger budget than others and don't mind paying what Centaurus charges. Others are comfortable getting down and dirty in Vlia Mimosa. What matters is reporting your experiences and let the reader decide if it is for them. There is no right way to monger in Rio, only what is right for you and the best way to decide that is hearing from different guys with their different perspectives.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2392691]Now on the good news side, 4 x 4 reopens Monday.[/QUOTE]Where has this information come from?

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2392691]Now on the good news side, 4 x 4 reopens Monday.[/QUOTE]Where do you come by this information? I checked website, Instagram, and Facebook none of which have been updated to reflect opening (none of the sites neither reflect fire / renovation / closing FWIW).

It comes from a whatsapp from a 4 x4 girl. By the way, that is the standard operating procedure at any terma, or 4 x 4: get numbers, do not fuck there. This is what the locals do and it will give you more respect among the locals.

[QUOTE=UniversalX;2392961]Where do you come by this information? I checked website, Instagram, and Facebook none of which have been updated to reflect opening (none of the sites neither reflect fire / renovation / closing FWIW).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2393104]It comes from a whatsapp from a 4 x4 girl. By the way, that is the standard operating procedure at any terma, or 4 x 4: get numbers, do not fuck there. This is what the locals do and it will give you more respect among the locals.[/QUOTE]Well I have now got this information, I can not say where I got it from but would trust it more then something one of the girls has to say. But that is my opinion.

[QUOTE=Dasisextra;2393160]Well I have now got this information, I can not say where I got it from but would trust it more then something one of the girls has to say. But that is my opinion.[/QUOTE]I concur with your information and your opinion.

Looks like 4 x4 is indeed back! I do wonder if proper restoration / upgrades were undertaken due to incident?

[QUOTE=Dasisextra;2393160]Well I have now got this information, I can not say where I got it from but would trust it more then something one of the girls has to say.[/QUOTE]It's not a state secret that 4 x4 will open tomorrow. They announce it on both their Facebook and Instagram.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2393344]It's not a state secret that 4 x4 will open tomorrow. They announce it on both their Facebook and Instagram.[/QUOTE]Thank God. I had a upcoming trip in March and I was a little worried that 4 x 4 was closed. There is always another alternatives in Brazil. But 4 x 4 is my favorite spot. I kinda knew they could not keep that place closed for too long. It generates way too much money.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2392691]Now on the good news side, 4 x 4 reopens Monday.[/QUOTE]Yippee, I will still try the Centro spots when I slide into Rio, always good to try something different.

I was in MABS around 11 pm Thursday and Friday, for sure the quality of women is very very poor, most of girls are unfuckable (don't know if this word exist but you will understand me.) fat, ugly. On Thursday I went back to my appartment alone, on Friday I was lucky I found a really very nice woman from sao paulo, it was the only one very beautiful woman in Mabs, my advice if you you go to mabs and see a nice woman go straight to her, if not, you will not be lucky twice.

For information the price I paid Friday 300 reals for 1 hour.

Sorry for my english.

I was happy with the top 5 chica quality at Mabs Halloween weekend but that is a small sample size. I agree snap up the knockout ASAP if your fine with the price. A lot of the older plain or less attractive females will try to hog / latch you if your a newbie. I saw a hottie at the late night boite down the street that Sat. And never saw her again. I really liked her personality. Unbelievable the bottom 15% of Mabs is worse than VM.

[QUOTE=Frenchieboy;2393535]I was in MABS around 11 pm Thursday and Friday, for sure the quality of women is very very poor, most of girls are unfuckable (don't know if this word exist but you will understand me.) fat, ugly. On Thursday I went back to my appartment alone, on Friday I was lucky I found a really very nice woman from sao paulo, it was the only one very beautiful woman in Mabs, my advice if you you go to mabs and see a nice woman go straight to her, if not, you will not be lucky twice.

For information the price I paid Friday 300 reals for 1 hour.

Sorry for my english.[/QUOTE]

What address do you put in for Uber if you want to go to Vila Mimosa? I tried to find the address for the terma at the end of the street but couldn't find it in google.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2393557]What address do you put in for Uber if you want to go to Vila Mimosa? I tried to find the address for the terma at the end of the street but couldn't find it in google.[/QUOTE]Rua Sotero dos Reis.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2393344]It's not a state secret that 4 x4 will open tomorrow. They announce it on both their Facebook and Instagram.[/QUOTE]I know that now, when I posted I had received the screenshot from a friend who lives locally & did not know it's origin. Heard from 1 of my girls yesterday not 4 x 4 but has friends that are & she has heard many are frightened to return, worried about safety after such a short timeframe. Will be interesting to hear reports in the next few days.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2393557]What address do you put in for Uber if you want to go to Vila Mimosa? I tried to find the address for the terma at the end of the street but couldn't find it in google.[/QUOTE]You don't need an address, you can just enter Vila Mimosa and Uber can find it. Just verify the location on the map before you confirm.

Did anyone. Make it to the Grand re-opening Monday night? If so, how was it?

Can anyone who's visited 4*4 and copa 583 give me an insight what the girls look like? I'm going next month and I am interested in finding one with a good face and slim body (no huge ass and tits). Are these the right places for my taste or would you go somewhere else?

Spoke to an employee, it may open on Monday, November 25th. Let's see if that happens.

[QUOTE=UsbDawg;2394440]Did anyone. Make it to the Grand re-opening Monday night? If so, how was it?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ohsowavy;2395215]Can anyone who's visited 4*4 and copa 583 give me an insight what the girls look like? I'm going next month and I am interested in finding one with a good face and slim body (no huge ass and tits). Are these the right places for my taste or would you go somewhere else?[/QUOTE]4 x4: unfortunately it is still closed at the moment due a recent fire. Hopefully it will be reopened when you are in Rio next month. You can definitely find 7-8's with slim body in 4 x4. Not sure how the talent will be once it reopens.

COPA 583: I visited it twice recently on my trip. All 6-7's the girls I saw. However, most girls were on the thicker side with big asses. I suggest to go there at least once yourself. Who knows you might find your type.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2393557]What address do you put in for Uber if you want to go to Vila Mimosa? I tried to find the address for the terma at the end of the street but couldn't find it in google.[/QUOTE]243 Rua Hilário Ribeiro or 11 Rus Sotero dos Reis should get you to the mound.

I remember because there was a club right there on the corner I went to a few times. I used that address in my Lyft.

4x4 didn't open last Monday because the Fire Deaprtments requirements had not been met.

[URL]http://upx1.meiahora.com/geral/policia/2019/11/5828314-reabertura-babou.html[/URL]

Just wanted to give a warning to anyone who is going to visit DC so they won't make the same mistake I did.

1) If the door guys think you are new, they will charge you 50 R to bring a girl into the club. So if you take a girl from Mabs to DC, they will add 50 R to your bill.

2) They will also charge you 30 R to take a girl out of the club. Even though they are freelancers, they will try this scam on you too.

3) Inflated drinks and Kick backs. This is the one they got me with. The drinks are super inflated (Vodka and Red bull = 75 R). What I didn't know is that for every drink the girl buys on your card, they get a hick back from the club. I don't know the percentage but they make money off of every drink you buy. Hence the reason why every girl is BEGGING you to buy drinks because if she doent pull a client, at least she can make a couple of hundred reais off of your drink bill.

One cute that I was dancing with asked me to buy her and her girlfriend a drink. Like an asshole I handed her my card. This bytch came back to where we were sitting with 3 vodka and redbulls, 3 shots and some drink in a champagne glass. I was pissed because I didn't tell her to buy me a drink and I certainly didn't authorize her to buy 7 fucking drinks without checking with me first!! When I went to pay the bill, it was damn near 500 Reais, I wanted to kick her in the ass!

The next day when I told another member who lives down there what happened, he started laughing and told me about the scam. Every time a girl orders a drink, they mark the drink on a card, at the end of the night the girl picks up the card from the bar, takes it to the cashier and gets her cut. I bet she made 50% off of my bill.

So for any one who goes to Dolce Vita, you can have a lot of fun with the girls but be extra vigilant with your card because its a serious clip koint!

[QUOTE=Bravo;2395926]So for any one who goes to Dolce Vita, you can have a lot of fun with the girls but be extra vigilant with your card because its a serious clip koint![/QUOTE]Great report. I just asked a chick that I know from Mabs. She said she has never heard of anybody getting money from drinks at Doce Vita.

"Eu nunca ouvi dizer que as mulheres ganha por bebidas lá".

[QUOTE=Bravo;2395926]Just wanted to give a warning to anyone who is going to visit DC so they won't make the same mistake I did.

1) If the door guys think you are new, they will charge you 50 R to bring a girl into the club. So if you take a girl from Mabs to DC, they will add 50 R to your bill.

2) They will also charge you 30 R to take a girl out of the club. Even though they are freelancers, they will try this scam on you too.

3) Inflated drinks and Kick backs. This is the one they got me with. The drinks are super inflated (Vodka and Red bull = 75 R). What I didn't know is that for every drink the girl buys on your card, they get a hick back from the club. I don't know the percentage but they make money off of every drink you buy. Hence the reason why every girl is BEGGING you to buy drinks because if she doent pull a client, at least she can make a couple of hundred reais off of your drink bill.

One cute that I was dancing with asked me to buy her and her girlfriend a drink. Like an asshole I handed her my card. This bytch came back to where we were sitting with 3 vodka and redbulls, 3 shots and some drink in a champagne glass. I was pissed because I didn't tell her to buy me a drink and I certainly didn't authorize her to buy 7 fucking drinks without checking with me first!! When I went to pay the bill, it was damn near 500 Reais, I wanted to kick her in the ass!

The next day when I told another member who lives down there what happened, he started laughing and told me about the scam. Every time a girl orders a drink, they mark the drink on a card, at the end of the night the girl picks up the card from the bar, takes it to the cashier and gets her cut. I bet she made 50% off of my bill.

So for any one who goes to Dolce Vita, you can have a lot of fun with the girls but be extra vigilant with your card because its a serious clip koint![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2395951]Great report. I just asked a chick that I know from Mabs. She said she has never heard of anybody getting money from drinks at Doce Vita.

"Eu nunca ouvi dizer que as mulheres ganha por bebidas l".[/QUOTE]I've visited Doce Vita a few times recently, and I agree that you need to watch your bill, and your 'comanda' (the card that you charge things on).

As far as the cover charge, they charge 50 are entrance regardless, if you bring a girl with you or not.

However, I always avoid the charge by saying I was told by a manager that I could enter free.

They waive that charge pretty easily.

As far as a 30 are charge to leave with a girl, I've never seen that.

Drink charges you're right, can run high, and a 'vodka and red bull' counts as 2 drinks, so it will definitely be pricey.

I personally would never give a garota my card (comanda) to pay for drinks. Yikes!

I've also never heard of girls getting kickbacks on the drinks at DV, however, you just may be right.

I don't buy that many so it's never concerned me, however, I don't doubt it.

Good reporting Bravo!

I just may stop in there tonite. (After a VM trip, LOL).

I'll ask around about the garota drink commission.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2395926]One cute that I was dancing with asked me to buy her and her girlfriend a drink. Like an asshole I handed her my card. This bytch came back to where we were sitting with 3 vodka and redbulls, 3 shots and some drink in a champagne glass.[/QUOTE]With all respect, giving her your card you asked for an unpleasant surprise.

Anyone know where I can go to get a phone unblocked? My buddy gave me an old iPhone 5 and I planned on using it while I am in Rio, unfortunately, once I bought a chip from TIM and tried to dd credits, I get a message saying the phone needs to be unblocked. They told me I need to get the phone unblocked in order to use the TIM card (They couldn't do it themselves). Any wehere in Centro or BT that I can go to? I would rather take a chance of being robbed while I have the old phone on me rather than my new samsung phone that I just purchased 1 month ago.

Hit VM yesterday in the evening at about 7 pm.

Pretty slow even for a Sunday.

I think the futebol party wore people out, LOL.

I did run into a favorite of mine, who actually sent me message earlier saying that she'the be there.

So we hung out a bit and hit the nicer bar with better rooms (clean and AC).

I can't do the shit rooms any more, LOL.

Great time! Loving, carinhosa demais!

Afterwards, my plan was to meet a buddy at Mabs, then yo Doce Vita afterwards.

Never made it to DV.

The NFL game was on at Mabs.

Ate some wings and had a cold beer, relaxing.

Just as always reported about Mabs, the usual group of fugly garotas milling about.

However, I spotted a hottie.

Called her over, chatted her up, and unfortunately she was a bitchy, conceited type.

Right away, without me even asking, she quoted me 500 reais for ONE hour.

I laughed, and she told me, in english, "my body, my price".

I said, "sim, entendi bb, mas minha carteira, meu dinheiro, cho kkkk" / my wallet, my money, bye bye, LOL.

I don't care how hot they may be, attitude means everything to me.

So I was already feeling good, cause VM went well, and was going to call it a night, however, a young sweet thing walked in.

I approached her, and she was sooooooo sweet.

19 years old from Barra. Morena clara, magrinha, com bumbum redondo, e com sorriso lindooo!

A lighter skin morena, thin but with a nice booty and a sweet smile.

She was just the opposite of the other piranha kkkk.

Just a nice sweet girl, looking for extra cash to supplement the Mall job.

I was tired, it was 2 am, however, I couldn't walk away from her, and after a nice, soft kiss in the bar, I was hooked.

I asked her how much she usually asks for, she said she likes to get 200 reais for however long, however, she'd take whatever I’d give her.

We were in an Uber to my place 5 min later, LOL.

The hugging and kissing and everything was fantastic.

She left at about 6 am and I was spent, but very content.

I set 300 reais next to her purse with Victoria Secret cream and panty, she about cried.

What a sweetheart.

So, yes, Mabs can suck, yes of course there are some real fuglies, however, there is treasure to be found as well.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2396256]Anyone know where I can go to get a phone unblocked? My buddy gave me an old iPhone 5 and I planned on using it while I am in Rio, unfortunately, once I bought a chip from TIM and tried to dd credits, I get a message saying the phone needs to be unblocked. Any wehere in Centro or BT that I can go to? [/QUOTE]Tons of places in the market when you get off at Uruguaiana station.

Back in Rio in two days, my stomach cancer didn't kill me yet.

Experience between Thailand and Brazil. It's easier to bareback in Thailand than Brazil. But sex performance is way better in Brazil. It's easier to organize parties in your apartment in Colombia but prefer Brazilian women when it comes to sex performance. Happy to be back in Brazil and will bareback as many girls as possible. I hope 4 by 4 will open next week. I plan to go to Cancun, Solarium and Monte Carlo this week.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2396283]Tons of places in the market when you get off at Uruguaiana station.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the post but. That's like saying "There are a bunch of places to get a slice of pizza in NYC" when I ask where the best pizza parlor is in the city. I am looking for a little more detail in the answer.

I am staying near Uruguaiana station and I seen a million clothing and bootleg video stands but didn't notice any phone stalls.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2396359]Thanks for the post but. That's like saying "There are a bunch of places to get a slice of pizza in NYC" when I ask where the best pizza parlor is in the city. I am looking for a little more detail in the answer.

I am staying near Uruguaiana station and I seen a million clothing and bootleg video stands but didn't notice any phone stalls.[/QUOTE]Check with Fabio to see if he can help you. If not, he might suggest someone else.

Here is a map:

[URL]http://www.mercadopopularuruguaiana.com/mapa-do-camelodromo[/URL]

He is in Quadra-A (Block A) - Shop 131 Corner of Uruguaiana Street and Buenos Aires.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2396273]Hit VM yesterday in the evening at about 7 pm.

Pretty slow even for a Sunday.

I think the futebol party wore people out, LOL.

I did run into a favorite of mine, who actually sent me message earlier saying that she'the be there.

So we hung out a bit and hit the nicer bar with better rooms (clean and AC).

I can't do the shit rooms any more, LOL.

Great time! Loving, carinhosa demais!

Afterwards, my plan was to meet a buddy at Mabs, then yo Doce Vita afterwards.

Never made it to DV.

The NFL game was on at Mabs.

Ate some wings and had a cold beer, relaxing..[/QUOTE]Damn dude she has a body to die for! And I bet her face was just as sweet and hot!

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=EnjoyLife63;2396318]Back in Rio in two days, my stomach cancer didn't kill me yet.

Experience between Thailand and Brazil. It's easier to bareback in Thailand than Brazil. But sex performance is way better in Brazil. It's easier to organize parties in your apartment in Colombia but prefer Brazilian women when it comes to sex performance. Happy to be back in Brazil and will bareback as many girls as possible. I hope 4 by 4 will open next week. I plan to go to Cancun, Solarium and Monte Carlo this week.[/QUOTE]The Philippines is the best destination for bareback sex.

Still not opened. Lots of luxury cars in front, the owners (Dad and two brothers were there). All three promised the place will reopen on Wednesday. I hope it does, got some reais to spend.

[QUOTE=UsbDawg;2394440]Did anyone. Make it to the Grand re-opening Monday night? If so, how was it?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2396394]Damn dude she has a body to die for! And I bet her face was just as sweet and hot!

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]Can you please elaborate on what VM stands for?

Can someone please tell me what VM stands for?

[QUOTE=Balboa;2396273]Hit VM yesterday in the evening at about 7 pm.

Pretty slow even for a Sunday.

I think the futebol party wore people out, LOL.

I did run into a favorite of mine, who actually sent me message earlier saying that she'the be there.

So we hung out a bit and hit the nicer bar with better rooms (clean and AC).

I can't do the shit rooms any more, LOL.

Great time! Loving, carinhosa demais!

Afterwards, my plan was to meet a buddy at Mabs, then yo Doce Vita afterwards.

Never made it to DV.

The NFL game was on at Mabs.

Ate some wings and had a cold beer, relaxing.

Just as always reported about Mabs, the usual group of fugly garotas milling about.

However, I spotted a hottie...[/QUOTE]Girl has a killer body.

Also, can anyone tell me if I have a good chance at finding a good catch in Vila Mimosa only with limited Portuguese knowledge? I can only think that the hidden gems are unlikely to speak English but is there a big deal to not being able to speak Portuguese fluently?

[QUOTE=Bravo;2396359]I am staying near Uruguaiana station and I seen a million clothing and bootleg video stands but didn't notice any phone stalls.[/QUOTE]
In Mercado Popular there are very few phone stalls (if any at all) but lots of sellers of mobile phones. It's impossible to miss the dozen of guys in front of the mercado screaming about all the phones they are sellings. The reason these sellers don't have stalls is because they are mostly selling stolen phones. Those guys knows fore sure where to unblock phones.

Ive seen so many signs, when walking the streets, telling desbloqueio de celular. Just ask around in Centro and you should find a place in no time.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2396405]The Philippines is the best destination for bareback sex.[/QUOTE]But STDs is a bummer. Can keep you out of action for weeks.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2396557]But STDs is a bummer. Can keep you out of action for weeks.[/QUOTE]STDs is not a bummer. I don't mind STDs. I just enjoy my life and fuck like a porno star.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2396557]But STDs is a bummer. Can keep you out of action for weeks.[/QUOTE]Don't waste your time on these idiots! About every other month we get the same guy opening up a new account and making some random BS post or asking for the same info that has been posted 1000 times. I wish the moderator would just permanently ban the IP addresses of these guys who post nonsense just to get a reaction.

One way to tell if its a troll is f the have less than 20 posts, then its probably some jerk who is bored and wants to start some shit, don't even acknowledge them.

[QUOTE=Ohsowavy;2396452]Girl has a killer body.

Also, can anyone tell me if I have a good chance at finding a good catch in Vila Mimosa only with limited Portuguese knowledge? I can only think that the hidden gems are unlikely to speak English but is there a big deal to not being able to speak Portuguese fluently?[/QUOTE]Of course you can find a "good catch" at VM with or without any portugus skills.

They are there.

They are there to make money.

So of course they'll do a programa with you.

Probably won't bond and have a GFE without being able to talk with them, that'd be tough to do.

They'll play with you in one of those nasty rooms, however, for about 20 minutes. LOL.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2396394]Damn dude she has a body to die for! And I bet her face was just as sweet and hot!

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]Total sweetheart!

I hit the GDP jackpot that night!

I hope she wasn't lying in her message to me the next day, LOL.

There are many pages like backpage in Brazil. Below are a couple I use, if you don't speak Portuguese just download google translator and prepare to copy and paste. What I've realized is you can have a woman to your hotel for two hours for the same price as one girl at 4 x 4 sometimes even less. A lot will try to tax extra for anal, I've realized not to mention it until she arrives and then bring it up. If she declines then say that was the main reason you invited her over and you were looking forward to that. Usually they will just accept it instead of going home empty handed. Sounds harsh but this game is a hustle, so hustle or be hustled.

[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/rio-de-janeiro/capital/[/URL](.

(Great low prices).

The rest below are higher priced models if you are into more plastic figures and so called "high end" taste (aka overpriced).

Most don't charge over 500 though.

[URL]http://hotside.com.br/v2/index.php[/URL]

[URL]https://www.riosexsite.com/acompanhantes/copacabana[/URL]

[URL]http://www.barravipsrio.com[/URL]

I know someone already mentioned this site but it's so good I must plug it again. Not only can you use this site to check out Spas and Massage spots but they also review individual women. Again if you don't read Portuguese then just copy and paste into google translate, locals will tell you everything you need to know including women to avoid!

[URL]https://www.gp-guia.net/forum2015/viewforum.php?f=317[/URL]

[QUOTE=Monger1988;2396449]Can someone please tell me what VM stands for?[/QUOTE]Start reading. Vila Mimosa.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2396620]Of course you can find a "good catch" at VM with or without any portugus skills.

They are there.

They are there to make money.

So of course they'll do a programa with you.

Probably won't bond and have a GFE without being able to talk with them, that'd be tough to do.

They'll play with you in one of those nasty rooms, however, for about 20 minutes. LOL.[/QUOTE]I do have basic Portuguese skills tho, but pretty limited as said. Can't tell if enough to bond, but will see. Also, what do you mean by "They'll play with you in one of those nasty rooms, however, for about 20 minutes. LOL."

[QUOTE=Ohsowavy;2396720]I do have basic Portuguese skills tho, but pretty limited as said. Can't tell if enough to bond, but will see. Also, what do you mean by "They'll play with you in one of those nasty rooms, however, for about 20 minutes. LOL."[/QUOTE]Well, it's not exactly luxury mongering, and yes, the rooms can be pretty nasty.

[QUOTE=Ohsowavy;2396720]Also, what do you mean by "They'll play with you in one of those nasty rooms, however, for about 20 minutes. LOL."[/QUOTE]BYOS. Bring Your Own Sheet. And baby wipes too!

[QUOTE=Voyajer1;2396429]Still not opened. Lots of luxury cars in front, the owners (Dad and two brothers were there). All three promised the place will reopen on Wednesday. I hope it does, got some reais to spend.[/QUOTE]Damn I was just wondering about this.

Question for guys who have been at Carnival time. I know the city & beaches will be packed but what is the P4P scene like during that week?

Do many Termas girls take time off to enjoy the party in town?

I have this idea about rushed sessions & higher prices unless at clubs were price in controlled.

Is there a P4P benefit to coming that week?

Cheers.

Are old farts "acceptable" in top termas?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2396771]BYOS. Bring Your Own Sheet. And baby wipes too![/QUOTE]Thank you for your advice!

[QUOTE=Balboa;2396746]Well, it's not exactly luxury mongering, and yes, the rooms can be pretty nasty.[/QUOTE]Since I have never mongered in Rio, I can't exactly tell how it is, but I was hoping I could take them back to my apartment in Copacabana though.

[QUOTE=Dasisextra;2396870]Question for guys who have been at Carnival time. I know the city & beaches will be packed but what is the P4P scene like during that week?

Do many Termas girls take time off to enjoy the party in town?

I have this idea about rushed sessions & higher prices unless at clubs were price in controlled.

Is there a P4P benefit to coming that week?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]If you can't laid in Rio by a non-pro during Carnaval, you're not applying yourself!

[QUOTE=Dasisextra;2396870]Question for guys who have been at Carnival time. I know the city & beaches will be packed but what is the P4P scene like during that week?

Do many Termas girls take time off to enjoy the party in town?

I have this idea about rushed sessions & higher prices unless at clubs were price in controlled.

Is there a P4P benefit to coming that week?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]The advice I give everyone, tourist and monger alike, is pretty much the same. You are better off to arrive after Wednesday. If you want to see the Samba schools go to the Champions' parade on the Saturday after Carnaval. There will be an influx of girls who should still be around but the tourists will be gone. Most people who have never been, do not know that apartments are usually rented by the Carnaval period. So, if you want to stay just a couple of days, you will still pay for a week or more. For me, the bloc parties get old as does the very repetitive not that interesting mostly beating on something "music. " The only thing good about them is the opportunity to hookup with locals and tourists. Do not overlook that some female tourists traveled to Carnaval with that in mind.

[QUOTE=TravelSpirit;2396942]Are old farts "acceptable" in top termas?[/QUOTE]As long as you have reals, Absolutely!

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2396958]If you can't laid in Rio by a non-pro during Carnaval, you're not applying yourself![/QUOTE]I got laid in Rio last week from a Tinder non pro without paying Carnival premium on accommodation.

[QUOTE=ExecTalent;2396977]The advice I give everyone, tourist and monger alike, is pretty much the same. You are better off to arrive after Wednesday. If you want to see the Samba schools go to the Champions' parade on the Saturday after Carnaval. There will be an influx of girls who should still be around but the tourists will be gone. Most people who have never been, do not know that apartments are usually rented by the Carnaval period. So, if you want to stay just a couple of days, you will still pay for a week or more. For me, the bloc parties get old as does the very repetitive not that interesting mostly beating on something "music. " The only thing good about them is the opportunity to hookup with locals and tourists. Do not overlook that some female tourists traveled to Carnaval with that in mind.[/QUOTE]Thanks for above info, as I have accommodation already paid for these dates in So Paulo I think I will stay put. Cheers.

One thing that has happened to me on this trip and I wanted to pass along to everyone else is that you might need to hide the fact that you are American on whatsapp when dealing with freelancers. (Please, no responses saying that I am wrong or it hasnt been your experiences), This happened to me this week with the first 3 women that I contacted from photoacompahante, it might be a coincidence, but I doubt it.

My whatsapp profile is a picture of myself in front of the Statue of Liberty and all 3 women when I was communicating with them, tried to charge 2 X 3 times the price that was advertised on the internet!! When I would call them out on the price discrepancy, they all had a bullshit excuse as to why they were asking for more. Finally, I figured out that they realized I was a gringo from my profile pic and my writing skills and that was the reason why they were trying charge me more money.

Once I changed my picture to a photo in Lapa and started using Google translate, the bullshit stopped. Also, I would start the convo with "I saw your ad on the internet, 200 R for 2 hours. ".

Planning on a return trip to Rio this December. Last time I was there was probably 15 years ago when the center of the nightlife was Help disco. Enjoyed sitting at the bars out front of Help with a beer watching the action on the street. (Good times) Reading the thread, it seems like quite a bit has changed. Has any bar replaced Help or the outdoor action that was out front?

How about the crime level? Then you were perfectly fine on the beach and walking the streets at night. How much has that changed?

[QUOTE=Ohsowavy;2396955]Since I have never mongered in Rio, I can't exactly tell how it is, but I was hoping I could take them back to my apartment in Copacabana though.[/QUOTE]Going all the way to VM to find a girl to bring all the way back to Copacabana kind of defeats the purpose of going to VM. There are many more options closer like privees, termas, internet chicks; especially for what you would wind up giving a chick to go from VM to Copa. I have done it before, but under different circumstances than what you are talking and not going there specifically with that intention.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2397048]Finally, I figured out that they realized I was a gringo from my profile pic and my writing skills and that was the reason why they were trying charge me more money.

Once I changed my picture to a photo in Lapa and started using Google translate, the bullshit stopped. Also, I would start the convo with "I saw your ad on the internet, 200 R for 2 hours. ".[/QUOTE]I have a google number that I use for my whatsapp hooker site contacts. I never put any picture on it. Just blank or whatever comes there as far as I know. I go through photoacomp to see the chicks I want and put them into my phone as xCassandra 23 GIG, xLuiza 26 GRU, etc.

On my phone I can open only that second whatsapp and select those specific contacts to be added into it. Then the message I send is Vc ta disponivel pra fazer um programa? If they say yes I say Quanto? It is usually the same price as the site. I have even managed to get them down lower than the price on the site on some occaisions by asking if they could do it for cheaper. I have never done it with a Brazilian phone number (I let mine go when whatsapp became popular) so I would assume they would not think I was a local from the start.

[QUOTE=Odysseus40;2397059]Planning on a return trip to Rio this December. Last time I was there was probably 15 years ago when the center of the nightlife was Help disco. Enjoyed sitting at the bars out front of Help with a beer watching the action on the street. (Good times) Reading the thread, it seems like quite a bit has changed. Has any bar replaced Help or the outdoor action that was out front?

How about the crime level? Then you were perfectly fine on the beach and walking the streets at night. How much has that changed?[/QUOTE]Mabs is the only freelancer bar around with no cover to my knowledge. I have not been to Dolce Vita & the other clip joints.

Uber is so cheap it is not worth taking the risk of walking at night. Cost me are $6 to get back to my apartment last night from Mabs to Pompeu Loureiro 99, with no traffic a good 6-8 minute drive.

Best value action are the Centro Termas like 502 or 65, next level would be Cancun & 4 x4 whenever it reopens.

P. M me & happy to meet up for a drink, here another month.

[QUOTE=Dasisextra;2397130]Mabs is the only freelancer bar around with no cover to my knowledge. I have not been to Dolce Vita & the other clip joints.
.[/QUOTE]Dolce vita can be a clip joint if you allow it to be. I go there plus I know the doorman Claudio from the Help day's but I just walk in get my 1 drink included and scope out the talent. I don't waste time or look to party there, usually a girl will come up to me or I'll approach one. A little conversation about life and business, go down the stairs and pay my 50 reaias then party at my place with my music and my premium duty free liquor. The girls are nice there especially late like after 1 pm.

Went to 502 last night about 9 PM. Asked bouncer how much it was to enter now. Said 10 real. I thought it was 10 real consumption, like it was in February when I went there, but it was 10 real entrada plus consumption when I paid the bill. Walked up the stairs and was surprised to find there was a party going on; apparently, from the 22 on top of the huge cake, the 22nd anniversary of the opening of the club. There was a chef preparing penne pasta for the guests. I assume they gave the cake out after I left.

Place was packed with more girls than I had ever seen before in the club (maybe some of the 4 x4 girls were there): counted 45 girls, so probably 50-55 in total, including girls in rooms, etc. A few of them had their tits exposed, which was unexpected, as I had never seen that there before. Unfortunately, lots were tubby, and most had unattractive faces. The two or three who had attractive faces had no tits or ass, except for one who had nice uncovered be size tits and a nice ass. It was nice to watch her bounce her ass up and down to the music (she had lifted her skirt to expose her ass cheeks). She might have been a good fuck but I was too tired from jet lag, having flown in the night before, to even try.

Then went to 119 Alfandega to look for a girl I had fucked there several times last trip. Place was dead: 5 girls, maybe 5-6 guys, atmosphere like a morgue. Didn't see my girl, so walked out and went to 210 Uruguayana, usually a lively club. This time also dead, maybe 8 girls that I saw, and about 10 guys. Didn't see anyone worth staying for, so I left. One thing that surprised me was that when I was entering the club, two girls were leaving, and another two girls left as I was leaving to go to my hotel. Seems strange that girls would be leaving at 10:45 PM.

502 very good place. Better than my last trip.

I fucked Thuany. She was a good fuck. I tipped her 200 reais. I hope 4 by4 will open next week.

[QUOTE=EnjoyLife63;2397356]502 very good place. Better than my last trip.

I fucked Thuany. She was a good fuck. I tipped her 200 reais. I hope 4 by4 will open next week.[/QUOTE]
What can she possibly have done to make you spoil her with a R$200 tip?

[QUOTE=EnjoyLife63;2397356]502 very good place. Better than my last trip.

I fucked Thuany. She was a good fuck. I tipped her 200 reais. I hope 4 by4 will open next week.[/QUOTE]What a coincidence! I banged a very nice branca in Miruna clinica in SP for half an hour for 170 reals and tipped her 30 for good service. Total 200 reals.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2397375]What can she possibly have done to make you spoil her with a R$200 tip?[/QUOTE]It must of been BBFS with CIP & a sworn in blood guarantee of a screenshot from the 1st baby scan in 3 months.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2397375]What can she possibly have done to make you spoil her with a R$200 tip?[/QUOTE]I fucked her vagina without condom. She doesn't do anal. She tried to make me cum in her vagina but she did not succeed.

[QUOTE=EnjoyLife63;2397589]I fucked her vagina without condom. She doesn't do anal. She tried to make me cum in her vagina but she did not succeed.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for your explanation.
P.S Normally GPs who allows barebacking charges much less. Me being old fashioned do my best to never bareback holes where lots of mongers have been bare backing before. Each one to his own.
Have fun and keep on reporting!

Went to Terma 65 Thursday night about 9:30 PM. Passed by 4 x4; deserted, still closed. Entrance at 65 still 30 real consumption, although the caipirinha price went up. When I went into the boate, there was a strip show going on, which continued for a few more girls (they had another strip show at about 11 PM). Place was packed. Counted 30 girls, so maybe 40 or more in total in the club, lots of guys. No exposed tits, like at 502 the previous night. Standard of girls perhaps a bit higher than 502, but was not really too excited about any of them, although there seemed to be a steady stream of girls going to the room with clients.

A few girls came over to chat, with a couple kissing me on the cheek to introduce themselves, but was not really attracted, and I was feeling tired, with my dick not responding, so I did not think I could do a program. However, Sol, a brunette who had previously accosted me in the lounge upstairs, kissing me all over my face and saying she loved me (to which I replied she was a good actress, at which she laughed and went to her friend), came up to me in the boate and started talking to me. She said it was her first day at 65, as she normally worked at 4 x4 (guess she got tired of waiting for 4 x4 to re-open). She then started DFKing me, rubbing my dick, showing me her tits (very nice, natural, no sag, size b) and having me touch and suck on them, having me massage her ass (a nice big bunda). It was clear to me that she was determined to do a program with me, and since she had a nice face, except for the braces which had initially lessened my interest in her, and my dick was responding to her ministrations, I asked her what we could do in a program. Yes to the usual BBBJ, DATY, DFK. Asked about anal. She said yes, but would have to go prepare her ass for it. Told her to go ahead and do so, and then we went to register for the room.

After a while, we finally got to the room. Asked her to clean her mouth of the taste of the cigarette she had been smoking, which she did, also washing her pussy and ass. I washed my dick and then started my usual music program. When I told her to lie down so I could massage her, she was incredulous, saying that no man had ever offered to massage her and she wanted to marry me. Started the back and leg massage and then started the pussy massage with one hand and the other doing the rest of her body. She then told me to stick my thumb up her ass, and she practically came while I was simultaneously fingering her ass, massaging her clit, and massaging the rest of her body.

After a bit, turned her over, DFKed her, licked her breasts and nipples, and then to the main course. She had a shuddering climax in about 3 minutes and needed to rest a while, saying again that she wanted me to marry her, as she almost never came with clients, as Brazilians were generally not to concerned about having the girl enjoy the session. After a few minutes she started BBBJ (very good, with ball licking and rimming included), then on to covered cowgirl, doggy (asking me to put my thumb in her ass and finger her while I was fucking her), and then anal until time ran out.

A fantastic session with a very nice girl who really gets into the session. If you want an attractive girl with a great body who loves sex, especially anal (and at no extra cost), Sol is your girl (especially if you spend a little time preparing her for the sex). Plus, you can session with her at a discount to the normal 4 x4 price of real 390 (370?) for a full hour, since the price at 65 is 275 real.

Eden Spa. Nossa Senhora 583 (Sala 401).

I actually went there because another American that I met in Bell Prazer told me there was a girl who was just my type at ES named Jessica. (Him and I had went to a few spots together in Centro and he could tell how much I like mulatas with big bundas.) When I to Eden, but Jessica was with another client, I didn't feel like waiting for her, so I picked a Morena Clara named Larrisa. Lite skin, long black hair and a huge, round, firm ass.

Pros. Cute girl with a mega ass!! Nice attitude and was a good fuck, especially in doggie style.

Negative. She doesn't really suck the dick at all. She has a ice cream cone technique where she just licks your dick up and down and licks the head as well but she doesn't really put it into her mouth to deep throat or suck.

Huge Negative. After the session, she asked or a tip! That REALLY annoyed me and I actually thought to say something to the manager on my way out when she asked me how everything went. The only reason why I didn't say anything is because she had given me her whatsapp number and wanted to go out dancing next week, so I didn't want her to get reprimanded.

I barebacked Luanda from Cancun terma yesterday. She came to my hotel at night. She stayed all night. We conversed while using a translator. We french kissed. We took a shower together before fucking.

She had a good sex performance. I fucked her three times. I came on her pussy once (not in her pussy), I came in her mouth twice, she swallowed.

I practised analingus (licking her asshole). I licked her pussy (good DATY). I fucked her pussy in every position. I wanted to fuck her anus but she doesn't want to practise anal sex without condom. So I decided to skip it because I hate condoms and it lowers my sexual desire. So I only focused on fucking her pussy. Her pussy was so wet.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2397946]................Huge Negative. After the session, she asked or a tip! That REALLY annoyed me and I actually thought to say something to the manager on my way out when she asked me how everything went. The only reason why I didn't say anything is because she had given me her whatsapp number and wanted to go out dancing next week, so I didn't want her to get reprimanded.[/QUOTE]If a girl has a good attitude but poor service I would not report to management if asked. If the girl has poor attitude but good service I also would not report. However, if the girl has poor attitude and bad service is another issue. If the girl gave you her whatsapp and wants to go dancing I suspect a good attitude.

I don't know if this was a coincidence or if this is how uber works. I was standing in front of the Hilton hotel and requested an uber to take me to my hotel in Centro, I was shocked when it showed 38 R. (That is much higher than I am normally quoted). I walked across the street and down to Nossa Senhora. (The walk took about 3 minutes total.) When I requested a car from Uber, now the price was 21 Reais. Maybe Uber will quote a higher price when it sees your location in front of an expensive hotel, I honestly don't know how it works, I can only wonder if walking a block or two can change the price.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2398258]I don't know if this was a coincidence or if this is how uber works. I was standing in front of the Hilton hotel and requested an uber to take me to my hotel in Centro, I was shocked when it showed 38 R. (That is much higher than I am normally quoted). I walked across the street and down to Nossa Senhora. (The walk took about 3 minutes total.) When I requested a car from Uber, now the price was 21 Reais. Maybe Uber will quote a higher price when it sees your location in front of an expensive hotel, I honestly don't know how it works, I can only wonder if walking a block or two can change the price.[/QUOTE]That is how it works. Sometimes the app will tell you (in the US anyway) if you walk 3 minutes to so and so, you will save whatever amount.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2398258]I don't know if this was a coincidence or if this is how uber works. I was standing in front of the Hilton hotel and requested an uber to take me to my hotel in Centro, I was shocked when it showed 38 R. (That is much higher than I am normally quoted). I walked across the street and down to Nossa Senhora. (The walk took about 3 minutes total.) When I requested a car from Uber, now the price was 21 Reais. Maybe Uber will quote a higher price when it sees your location in front of an expensive hotel, I honestly don't know how it works, I can only wonder if walking a block or two can change the price.[/QUOTE]Uber pricing is affected by demand. If you are in front of the Hilton historic demand as well as current demand may be higher. To make sure there are drivers to service that demand, Uber raises the price. The whole Uber business model is quite fascinating. Simplifying, a driver is assigned to your call but does not know where you are going until you are in the car. That way, drivers will not turn down all the short-ride fares. If there is an event which raises demand, lets say a concert just ended, the prices can surge.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2396405]The Philippines is the best destination for bareback sex.[/QUOTE]I agree with this, I have been to Thailand, Brazil and Philippines, Philippines is the easiest place for BBFS, followed by Thailand, I was in Brazil 4 years ago and it was not easy to find bareback / BBFS, eventually I did but it required a lot of hustle, where as in Philippines, it was normal expected from most encounters.

I travel a lot and bareback all the time, 12 years never caught anything.

[QUOTE=AddisDude;2398488]I agree with this, I have been to Thailand, Brazil and Philippines, Philippines is the easiest place for BBFS, followed by Thailand, I was in Brazil 4 years ago and it was not easy to find bareback / BBFS, eventually I did but it required a lot of hustle, where as in Philippines, it was normal expected from most encounters.

I travel a lot and bareback all the time, 12 years never caught anything.[/QUOTE]You're lucky. In the past I caught something in many of my visits to Asia.

[QUOTE=ExecTalent;2398369]Uber pricing is affected by demand. If you are in front of the Hilton historic demand as well as current demand may be higher. To make sure there are drivers to service that demand, Uber raises the price. The whole Uber business model is quite fascinating. Simplifying, a driver is assigned to your call but does not know where you are going until you are in the car. That way, drivers will not turn down all the short-ride fares. If there is an event which raises demand, lets say a concert just ended, the prices can surge.[/QUOTE]Are you sure of this? I had a disagreement with a driver after making a deal for 3 trips when baggage would not fit in the car, after we agreed the price he was complaining that the price he agreed was too cheap, after 10 minutes of this rubbish I said fine drop me at the destination & I will pay you what the fare was going to be for a single trip, he made a point of saying "I have a nice car I refuse short journeys" he was saying to me in the time it would take him to complete my trip he could be missing a trip to Barra etc or he could earn better money.

[QUOTE=TravelSpirit;2396942]Are old farts "acceptable" in top termas?[/QUOTE]It depends what you look like. The money makes you acceptable, but if you look like a dried turd, the experience won't be that great.

[QUOTE=Dasisextra;2398574]Are you sure of this? I had a disagreement with a driver after making a deal for 3 trips when baggage would not fit in the car, after we agreed the price he was complaining that the price he agreed was too cheap, after 10 minutes of this rubbish I said fine drop me at the destination & I will pay you what the fare was going to be for a single trip, he made a point of saying "I have a nice car I refuse short journeys" he was saying to me in the time it would take him to complete my trip he could be missing a trip to Barra etc or he could earn better money.[/QUOTE]Yep, Exec got it right.

[QUOTE=Dasisextra;2398574]Are you sure of this? I had a disagreement with a driver after making a deal for 3 trips when baggage would not fit in the car, after we agreed the price he was complaining that the price he agreed was too cheap, after 10 minutes of this rubbish I said fine drop me at the destination & I will pay you what the fare was going to be for a single trip, he made a point of saying "I have a nice car I refuse short journeys" he was saying to me in the time it would take him to complete my trip he could be missing a trip to Barra etc or he could earn better money.[/QUOTE]I invest in businesses and go to great pains to understand how they work and in particular how they make money. For Uber, one of the key advantages is that the passenger will be serviced and quickly. I have used Uber and Lyft everywhere and the longest I have waited for a ride is 10 minutes. Has there ever been some game playing? Absolutely. You always are going to have a few who think they can game the system. In the old days when we called for taxis, they would not show up unless the trip resulted in a decent fare. If they were in route to you and a better offer came in, you would get stuck. Happened to me a lot until I hired a private driver. That was a passenger pain point Uber sought to solve. I originally thought they had a multi-cast system. You use the app to request a ride and several of the closest drivers are notified. The first one to accept gets the fare. However, the system actually contacts the closest driver and they can accept or decline. Decline too many and you get naughty marks against you. If the first driver declines, the request goes to next closest driver.

As a side note, if you are going to invest in a business, talk to the people who do the actual work. Most everyone knows about SWOT. Strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, threats. What you want to know is if the guy the business depends on is going to make enough money to want to stick around. What risks will affect his income. In the case of Uber. Governments getting paid to favor taxis and exclude Uber. Talk to Londoners. Will government look for a way to take away one of their key advantages -- Uber claims drivers are independent contractors and should be treated and taxed as such. This was an advantage Amazon once had in not collecting sales tax. The period when government has not caught up to a disruptive business model is when you can make money. So, instead of arguing with the Uber driver about a few dollars, I ask him how it is going?

[QUOTE=ExecTalent;2398634]I invest in businesses and go to great pains to understand how they work and in particular how they make money. For Uber, one of the key advantages is that the passenger will be serviced and quickly. I have used Uber and Lyft everywhere and the longest I have waited for a ride is 10 minutes.[/QUOTE]Many thanks for you very interesting detailed reply. Much appreciated.

I was talking to one of the owners of Mabs last night and he mentioned 2 new updates that are happening this week.

1) Mabs will now be open 24 hours.

2) They will start serving a breakfast buffet at 4 AM for 20 R.

Elephant in the room: Be careful when selecting your companion for the evening from Mabs, there are a number of trannies working the spot. Some have spent some serious money on their surgery and can fool you if you are in an altered state.

[QUOTE=ExecTalent;2398634]the system actually contacts the closest driver and they can accept or decline. Decline too many and you get naughty marks against you. If the first driver declines, the request goes to next closest driver.[/QUOTE]I don't think that is true in the absolute sense. I have stood next to an available driver and I had to wait for another driver.

[QUOTE=ExecTalent;2398634]
In the case of Uber. Governments getting paid to favor taxis and exclude Uber. Talk to Londoners. Will government look for a way to take away one of their key advantages -- Uber claims drivers are independent contractors and should be treated and taxed as such. This was an advantage Amazon once had in not collecting sales tax. The period when government has not caught up to a disruptive business model is when you can make money. So, instead of arguing with the Uber driver about a few dollars, I ask him how it is going?[/QUOTE]That is not entirely true, I think Uber is subsidized by VC and they can operate in lost which can be considered an unfair advantage.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2398864]I was talking to one of the owners of Mabs last night and he mentioned 2 new updates that are happening this week.

1) Mabs will now be open 24 hours.

2) They will start serving a breakfast buffet at 4 AM for 20 R.

Elephant in the room: Be careful when selecting your companion for the evening from Mabs, there are a number of trannies working the spot. Some have spent some serious money on their surgery and can fool you if you are in an altered state.[/QUOTE]What are some proven techniques at tranny detection? My wingman beat the shit out one here is Sao Paulo last year. Couldn't tell it was a tranny until it got undressed in the room.

Went to New 81 in Rua the Quintanda last night about 10 PM. Passed by 4 x4. Still closed. Went into New 81. Dead: 3 girls, 3 guys. One girl on the phone, one guy sitting by himself in a corner. Left.

Today passed by Terma 65 about 4 PM to inquire about the 2 for 1 girl special on Tuesdays that I read about on gp-guia. Was told no such promotion, if it even ever existed.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2398910]Today passed by Terma 65 about 4 PM to inquire about the 2 for 1 girl special on Tuesdays that I read about on gp-guia. Was told no such promotion, if it even ever existed.[/QUOTE]Here the old & the new price lists, clearly showing the deal. (On the older list) prices only changed within last 2 weeks.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2398870]What are some proven techniques at tranny detection? My wingman beat the shit out one here is Sao Paulo last year. Couldn't tell it was a tranny until it got undressed in the room.[/QUOTE]Going to a place that doesn't accept trannies. For example termas or clubs that verify identities.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2398870]What are some proven techniques at tranny detection? My wingman beat the shit out one here is Sao Paulo last year. Couldn't tell it was a tranny until it got undressed in the room.[/QUOTE]The best way to know is to get to know trans as people. Most would never want to find themselves with an ignorant violent John so if you are at all uncertain, just ask. BTW, not something I have ever done or have an interest, but you can learn a lot by not being a jerk.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2398868]I don't think that is true in the absolute sense. I have stood next to an available driver and I had to wait for another driver.[/QUOTE]Me and this chick took Uber to her house in Campo Grande. I was going to stay a while, but there was so much traffic going that I lost a lot of time. I decided to go back to Copa as soon as we got to her house. I asked the driver if he was going back to Zona Sul and he said yes. I ran in her house to use the toilet then ran back out to get back in the car. I called for an Uber and some other driver accepted. I had to cancel him and do it again until I got the driver whose car I was already in.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2398910]Went to New 81 in Rua the Quintanda last night about 10 PM. Passed by 4 x4. Still closed. Went into New 81. Dead: 3 girls, 3 guys. One girl on the phone, one guy sitting by himself in a corner. Left.[/QUOTE]You were lucky. When I went to 81 in October at about 4:30 pm, there was 1 guy and 0 girls.

4 by4 will open, they have things to solve with the city of rio. According to the city of rio de janeiro, they need to renew their building for security reasons to prevent future damage if there is fire when there are many people and to lower the risk of fire. 4 by4 needs some renewments before reopening.

Some termas are more expensive because they take advantage since 4 by4 closed.

The son of the owner told me.

[QUOTE=Dasisextra;2398993]Here the old & the new price lists, clearly showing the deal. (On the older list) prices only changed within last 2 weeks.[/QUOTE]Looks like they really want people to do an hour in a suite rather than a cabine, since they raised the cabine price to 225 real and lowered the suite price to 275 real.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2399207]Looks like they really want people to do an hour in a suite rather than a cabine, since they raised the cabine price to 225 real and lowered the suite price to 275 real.[/QUOTE]I think the longer 4 X 4 stays closed the better, you have T65 at $275 an hour in a suite, you have 502 at $250 on hour in a suite and Cancun I think $400\450 an hour in a suite, all the line ups will suffer when 4 X 4 reopens & it will cost more to bang the same girls.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2399150]4 by4 will open, they have things to solve with the city of rio. According to the city of rio de janeiro, they need to renew their building for security reasons to prevent future damage if there is fire when there are many people and to lower the risk of fire. 4 by4 needs some renewments before reopening.

Some termas are more expensive because they take advantage since 4 by4 closed.

The son of the owner told me.[/QUOTE]Did he tell you by any chance they will re-open. I'm pretty sure they want to reopen especially during carnival.

Well, the Rio wife come by at noon, milks my nuts, then again later in the afternoon, and milks out a nother load. I'm paying her 200 r a day.

We are heading back Norte -- to Zona Norte -- and we go by Aconchega Carioca in Praca Bandeira. Excellent chow. Two beers, bolinhos do feijoada, and bobo de camerao. All in 215 r.

Someone actually stole my Vasco patch.

22:58, 12/4/2019 In the ultimate you can't make this up category, a Brazilian hooker is going to pay me to fuck her in front of one of her clients, a guy.

22:58, 12/4/2019 so, yes, we are the conquering heros.

22:58, 12/4/2019 I am the alpha male.

I found a true wingman today, in Jimmy Boy 99. We linked up at Mosaico at 19 h30, right on time. We patrolled down to VM, getting numbers all along the way. He is an experienced wingman, and this makes all the difference. I banged out a 18 yo super hot morena with long legs, got her number. 80 r. I set a pernoite, but she wanted the 350 r+ 50 r for kissing up front. I told her another time. Jimmy Boy 99 and I patrolled back to Centro via bus. We went up Alphandega 119, good call, lots of talent. I dropped some bags at a 17 USD / night hotel in Centro on Ave Rio Branco, near Jimmy Boy 99's hotel. I went to U210, and spotted two super hot negras, 20 yo, both super do-able. I am kinda out of sperm, having been milked now twice during the day, and once at night in VM. But I was sprouting a boner with those negras shoving their ass cheeks against my dick. I coulda. I will again. Soon. U210 is the best club in Brazil for me, always a negra that is 80% of an Ana foxxx, no cover, and like 70 r for 20 minutes, get a number, and a real bed, at least not a VM rotted through mattress.

Its been a running joke for the past 3 weeks, every day that I pass 4 X4 I ask when they will be open and someone will tell me "Tomorrow" and I will respond with "The 10th tomorrow in a row? Truth be told, I don't think 4 x4 will be open for a long time, probably not until after carnival.

1) In over 20 years, I have never seen ANYTHING be done quickly in Rio de Janerio, nothing. Anything that has to do with construction takes forever to complete.

2) Firemen died in that building, they will nit pick every detail the owners to death before they finally approve reopening.

3) I don't see any work happening at the location. I never see workers going in and out of the building, nobody carrying equipment or supplies, no garbage containers to remove anything. Just a few men sitting outside or at the table inside having conversations.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2399499]Its been a running joke for the past 3 weeks, every day that I pass 4 X4 I ask when they will be open and someone will tell me "Tomorrow" and I will respond with "The 10th tomorrow in a row? Truth be told, I don't think 4 x4 will be open for a long time, probably not until after carnival.

1) In over 20 years, I have never seen ANYTHING be done quickly in Rio de Janerio, nothing. Anything that has to do with construction takes forever to complete.

2) Firemen died in that building, they will nit pick every detail the owners to death before they finally approve reopening.

3) I don't see any work happening at the location. I never see workers going in and out of the building, nobody carrying equipment or supplies, no garbage containers to remove anything. Just a few men sitting outside or at the table inside having conversations.[/QUOTE]That's why they won't open for a long time, it's very expensive to renew. 4 by4 won't be open until they renewed their building for security reasons. They won't do for a while because it's very expensive. Not enough money for construction and authorization. Most people don't know what they are talking about. I am sure 4 by4 won't be open in December.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2399499]Its been a running joke for the past 3 weeks, every day that I pass 4 X4 I ask when they will be open and someone will tell me "Tomorrow" and I will respond with "The 10th tomorrow in a row? Truth be told, I don't think 4 x4 will be open for a long time, probably not until after carnival.

1) In over 20 years, I have never seen ANYTHING be done quickly in Rio de Janerio, nothing. Anything that has to do with construction takes forever to complete.

2) Firemen died in that building, they will nit pick every detail the owners to death before they finally approve reopening.

3) I don't see any work happening at the location. I never see workers going in and out of the building, nobody carrying equipment or supplies, no garbage containers to remove anything. Just a few men sitting outside or at the table inside having conversations.[/QUOTE]Well I can believe you about taking long. Remember the museum that replaced help? Its been over 10 years and its still not even open. What a waste of time. They should of left help open and hotels and restaurants would not be struggling.

I fucked Thamis from 210 without condom. She was so drunk she did not notice I was fucking her without condom LOL. Good blow job, I fucked her ass (doggy style) . 30 minutes session. She is 20 years old.

Thamis is beautiful slim woman. It was good to fuck that black *****. The only bad thing is the room was very shitty and smelly. I directly went to t65 just to go to sauna to take a shower.

Brazil is so good.

I am going to Solarium tomorrow.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;2399624]Remember the museum that replaced help? Its been over 10 years and its still not even open.[/QUOTE]Actually less than 10 years.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;2399624]Well I can believe you about taking long. Remember the museum that replaced help? Its been over 10 years and its still not even open. What a waste of time. They should of left help open and hotels and restaurants would not be struggling.[/QUOTE]Speaking of Helpee, I found these on a flash drive in a backpack I haven't used in years. Helpee, thanks for the mammaries!

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;2399624]Its been over 10 years and its still not even open. What a waste of time. They should of left help open and hotels and restaurants would not be struggling.[/QUOTE]Yes as Sperto said, Help closed January 6, 2010, so soon will be 10 years, can't believe that the greatest disco in the fucking world is closed 10 years.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2399954]Speaking of Helpee, I found these on a flash drive in a backpack I haven't used in years. Helpee, thanks for the mammaries![/QUOTE]Thanks for posting, I think I did the one in the 5th picture, also you posted many years ago cousins we also had in common. 10 year anniversary coming up of Help closing, I wonder if there will be a service on hallowed ground.

I remember seeing these girls there EVERY time I was there. Never did any of these girls but always enjoyed watching them strutting around "advertising. " 10 yrs. Yep, that's a long time. Every time I walk by the "Museu" I whimper a little bit. BTW, does anybody have any idea who won the bell the door guy used to ring. I would loved to have had it to hang on the corner of my mantle and have people ask questions about it.

So many of those Help Girls had interesting life twists once Help closed. From getting married to former clients and moving to America / Europe or becoming super religious.

"Cristine" ended up going to prison for a few years. Her and a crew of her Help friends were stealing credit card information from their sleeping clients and then spending thousands of reais. Who knows how long they ran their scam before they got caught but from what I understand, they made some serious money! At least they fed her well in prison because she is like 3 X the size she was in that picture (Once in a while she can be found at MABS).

[QUOTE=Bravo;2400281]So many of those Help Girls had interesting life twists once Help closed. From getting married to former clients and moving to America / Europe or becoming super religious.

"Cristine" ended up going to prison for a few years. Her and a crew of her Help friends were stealing credit card information from their sleeping clients and then spending thousands of reais. Who knows how long they ran their scam before they got caught but from what I understand, they made some serious money! At least they fed her well in prison because she is like 3 X the size she was in that picture (Once in a while she can be found at MABS).[/QUOTE]You right its so amazing and sometimes I am shock seeing so many of these girls pictures keep popping up on my FaceBook timeline as someone I may know (I have reviewed so many of these girls lives over the years that are now having kids some in School so many have married their Tricks and some appear to become good housewives, Mothers etc. Going on in some cases 10+ years. When you get down to it what other options do they really have? I just viewed many of them having fun enjoying Thanksgiving showcasing their cooking skills showing off their spread of food they cooked. To be honest I am very happy for them in the Tricks that married them I wish them the best. I enjoyed many of them over the years when I visit Brazil.

Kid Cisco.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2400281].............."Cristine" ended up going to prison for a few years. Her and a crew of her Help friends were stealing credit card information from their sleeping clients and then spending thousands of reais............[/QUOTE]The guy who came up with the idea for the movie "Hustlers" might have been one of her victims.

Going to Rio for New Years. Will Termas and Prives be open after Jan. 1st? I will be in Rio on Dec. 30th. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;2400740]Going to Rio for New Years. Will Termas and Prives be open after Jan. 1st? I will be in Rio on Dec. 30th. Thanks.[/QUOTE]It's a holiday everything will be closed.

[QUOTE=RioBob;2400986]It's a holiday everything will be closed.[/QUOTE]When will things open back up? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;2401058]When will things open back up? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Christmas in Rio is a time for family. New Years is a time for family and lovers. Life would feel empty if spent with a john.

You are wanting to get laid and they are wanting to belong.

Which means different things depending on whether you are an occasional tourist or a regular visitor. I have had girls with no family in Rio or who lived far away and for whatever reason were not leaving spend the holidays with me for free. Fair trade. They are looking for something and you give it to them, you are looking for something and they give it to you. You just really have to understand what they are looking for and it is not money.

For the occasional tourist, things will start getting back to normal January 2 - 3.

The Fire Department have closed some bars in Vila Mimosa.

[URL]https://extra.globo.com/noticias/rio/por-risco-de-incendio-deputados-interditam-vila-mimosa-reduto-de-prostituicao-no-rio-24132589.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Sperto;2401825]The Fire Department have closed some bars in Vila Mimosa.

[URL]https://extra.globo.com/noticias/rio/por-risco-de-incendio-deputados-interditam-vila-mimosa-reduto-de-prostituicao-no-rio-24132589.html[/URL][/QUOTE]If these inspections were to go Rio city wide the whole damn P4P scene will shut down!

Was just in Thailand and that picture of the outlet was normal in Bangkok!

Regarding Vila Mimosa. It seems it's not just a few bars that got closed down. Yesterday 80% of the bars got closed.
[URL]https://odia.ig.com.br/rio-de-janeiro/2019/12/5838931-vila-mimosa-e-temporariamente-fechada-pelos-bombeiros.html[/URL]
VM is definitely a dangerous place when there is a fire (I know by my own experience as there was a fire once in my room when I sessioned). However, I think it's unfair to close VM just before Christmas.

I have off from the Dec. 21-Jan 5.

I won't have much time the rest of the year to monger and haven't been to rio in ages. I am sort of tired of Colombia and need a change of pace.

Am I wasting my time going and trying to get someone or is there enough dates in between Christmas and new years to bone? Do they celeberate the 24th or 25th?

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2402121]I have off from the Dec. 21-Jan 5.

I won't have much time the rest of the year to monger and haven't been to rio in ages. I am sort of tired of Colombia and need a change of pace.

Am I wasting my time going and trying to get someone or is there enough dates in between Christmas and new years to bone? Do they celeberate the 24th or 25th?[/QUOTE]
Christmas and New Year in Rio de Janeiro is excellent with great atmosphere. Definitely recommendable.

When it comes to privées it might not be a good time to visit. 21 and 22 are weekend. 23 is propably OK. 24 and 25 most privées will be closed. 26 and 27 should be OK. 28 and 29 are weekend. 30 might be OK. 31 and 1 the privées will be closed. 2 and 3 privées will be open, but many of the GPs will still be travelling. 4 and 5 are weekend.

Out of your 16 days about 6 days will be decent days to visit privées. The situation might be better if you visit termas. You also have the option of escorts, freelancers, boates and Mabs Zoológico.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2402121]I have off from the Dec. 21-Jan 5.

I won't have much time the rest of the year to monger and haven't been to rio in ages. I am sort of tired of Colombia and need a change of pace.

Am I wasting my time going and trying to get someone or is there enough dates in between Christmas and new years to bone? Do they celeberate the 24th or 25th?[/QUOTE]The prives in Tijuca (at least Massagem Tijuca and Annes Massagem) are open Saturdays until about 5 or 6 PM. The prives in 583 Nossa S. De Copacabana are open on Saturdays until at least 6 PM. Termas Monte Carlo, Solarium, and Centaurus are open Saturday nights. Villa Mimosa, if it reopens again, should be open Saturday and Sunday, although it is mostly a horror show. I don't remember if the trash boates in Centro like 210 and 145 Uruguaiana are open on Saturday nights.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2402351]The prives in Tijuca (at least Massagem Tijuca and Annes Massagem) are open Saturdays until about 5 or 6 PM. The prives in 583 Nossa S. De Copacabana are open on Saturdays until at least 6 PM. Termas Monte Carlo, Solarium, and Centaurus are open Saturday nights. Villa Mimosa, if it reopens again, should be open Saturday and Sunday, although it is mostly a horror show. I don't remember if the trash boates in Centro like 210 and 145 Uruguaiana are open on Saturday nights.[/QUOTE]Bel Prazer in Centro is open on Saturday too.

Del Oreintal and Eden Spa in Copa are both open on Saturday.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2402388]Bel Prazer in Centro is open on Saturday too.

Del Oreintal and Eden Spa in Copa are both open on Saturday.[/QUOTE]I thought Delirio Oriental had closed but apparently the website is still up. They close at 7 PM, per the website. The larger Centro prives (Bel Prazer, Dudas) appear to be open on Saturdays until 2-3 PM.

A poster on [URL]gparena.net[/URL] just posted about a place, 793 Nossa Senhora de Copacabana, he found on [URL]photoacompanhantes.com[/URL]. Photos of the girl were fake, with her face a "Cara de Cu" (ass face) in comparison with the photos. He said the there were other girls there, whose photos were also probably fake. Didn't know this place existed but you my want to avoid it, especially at 200 real for an hour.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2402412]A poster on [URL]gparena.net[/URL] just posted about a place, 793 Nossa Senhora de Copacabana, he found on [URL]photoacompanhantes.com[/URL]. Photos of the girl were a fake, with her face a "Cara de Cu" (ass face) in comparison with the photos. He said the there were other girls there, whose photos were also probably fake. Didn't know this place existed but you my want to avoid it, especially at 200 real for an hour.[/QUOTE]There exist many privéees in Copacabana never mentioned in this forum. Low price privées with good quality for the locals.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2402414]There exist many privees in Copacabana never mentioned in this forum. Low price prives with good quality for the locals.[/QUOTE]Since you appear to know about these locals only places, perhaps you could provide the name and location of some of them for those of us who are not Copacabana prive experts.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2402430]Since you appear to know about these locals only places, perhaps you could provide the name and location of some of them for those of us who are not Copacabana prive experts.[/QUOTE]
Why? I see no reason to do that.
1. I almost never monger in Copacabana. IMO it's only for newbies. It happens I do Copa-mongering, but never at your Siqueira Campos privées.
2. If you never heard of the privées the locals go to, try to make some friends with the porteiros etc. Maybe you think they'll go to the gringo privées?
3. Please continue to give us the opening times for Saturday prives.
Cheers.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2402430]Since you appear to know about these locals only places, perhaps you could provide the name and location of some of them for those of us who are not Copacabana prive experts.[/QUOTE]You should really take the time to read some of the old threads where people have explained time and time again where to find the info your after. The website I'm providing you is basically the ISG of Brazil. Download google translator and be ready to do a lot of copy and paste. This is the direct link for the privees but they also review individual escorts in the city, massage spots, and thermas. Spending an hour reviewing old posts will give you a lot of the answers you are after. Good luck!

[URL]https://www.gp-guia.net/forum2015/viewforum.php?f=89[/URL]

I found the girl below after reviews on that website!

[QUOTE=Sperto;2402436]Why? I see no reason to do that.
1. I almost never monger in Copacabana. IMO it's only for newbies. It happens I do Copa-mongering, but never at your Siqueira Campos prives.
2. If you never heard of the prives the locals go to, try to make some friends with the porteiros etc. Maybe you think they'll go to the gringo prives?
3. Please continue to give us the opening times for Saturday prives.
Cheers.[/QUOTE]Some are only occasional visitors who stay in Copacabana and have day time dedicated to other pursuits. What simple advice would you give to a friend of yours who is looking for having uncomplicated fun in the evening / night time in Rio?

[QUOTE=Sperto;2402436]Why? I see no reason to do that.
1. I almost never monger in Copacabana. IMO it's only for newbies. It happens I do Copa-mongering, but never at your Siqueira Campos prives.
2. If you never heard of the prives the locals go to, try to make some friends with the porteiros etc. Maybe you think they'll go to the gringo prives?
3. Please continue to give us the opening times for Saturday prives.
Cheers.[/QUOTE]I expected a snarky, information-free post and, no surprise, you delivered. The posts about prives that are open on Saturday were to correct the misinformation you gave to BlueChange when you implied prives are closed weekends.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2402135] Snip. When it comes to prives it might not be a good time to visit. 21 and 22 are weekend. 23 is propably OK. 24 and 25 most prives will be closed. 26 and 27 should be OK. 28 and 29 are weekend. 30 might be OK. 31 and 1 the prives will be closed. 2 and 3 prives will be open, but many of the GPs will still be travelling. 4 and 5 are weekend. Snip.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Patslyfe1;2402476]You should really take the time to read some of the old threads where people have explained time and time again where to find the info your after. The website I'm providing you is basically the ISG of Brazil. Download google translator and be ready to do a lot of copy and paste. This is the direct link for the privees but they also review individual escorts in the city, massage spots, and thermas. Spending an hour reviewing old posts will give you a lot of the answers you are after. Good luck!

[URL]https://www.gp-guia.net/forum2015/viewforum.php?f=89[/URL]

I found the girl below after reviews on that website![/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip, but I read Portuguese and am a member of both gp-[URL]guia.net[/URL] and [URL]gparena.net[/URL]. The following is a list in posting order of Copacabana prives mentioned on those sites in the last 4 years (I didn't go back any further because I doubt they are still there if no one has commented on them for so long):

Eden Spa (Copacabana. Av. Nossa Senhora de Copacabana, 583 - sala 401) are $ 150,00 - 30 Min. Telefone: (21) 3627-3130 - (21) 2545-7664.

Samantha Massagens (Copacabana. Av. Nossa Senhora de Copacabana, 386) are $ 100,00 - Telefone: 8514-3276/3902-1590.

DELRIO ORIENTAL Rua Hilrio de Gouveia, 66 - sala 201, Copacabana are $200-60 Min (21) 3738-8085 / (21) 99766-8085.

Espao Shiva Terapias Copacabana are $ 120,00 - 1 Hrs. Telefone: (21) 3439-5374.

Massagens. Rhubia Gonzalez (Copacabana) are $ 100,00 - 1 Hrs. Telefone: (21) 9947-56258.

Corpus Spa Massagem Copacabana are $ 200,00 - 60 Min. Telefone: 36204308 - 990644834.

Copa 583 (Av. Nossa Senhora de Copacabana, 583 - SL) are $ 150,00 - 60 Min. Telefone: (21) 2548-8121 - (21) 9726-12345.

Espao Terapia Carioca. Copacabana, estao Cantagalo (sathe pela Miguel Lemos) are $ 250,00 - 60 Min. Telefone: (21) 99622-4722.

Espao Suzy Oriental. Av Nossa Senhora de Copacabana 542/806 are $ 200,00 - 1 Hrs. Telefone: 2143-5034 - 98279-9353.

Copaterapias (Copacabana. Rua Siqueira Campos) are $ 220,00 - 60 Min. Telefone: (21) 2179-9891.

LOTUS THERAPY COPACABANA -Rua Siqueira Campos 43/825 Tel: 3936-3850 are $ 200,00 - 1 Hrs. Telefone: (21) 9877-32049.

Copacabana Massage & Spa are $ 250,00 - 60 Min. Telefone: (21) 2051-2048 - (21) 9814-71253.

CLINICA PRIVILEGE. Av. Princesa Isabel, 150 s. 403 - (21) 3738-3900 are $ 250,00 - 60 Min. Telefone: (21) 3738-3900 - (21) 9725-37523.

Copa Massagem (Copacabana. Rua Tonelero, and 169) are $ 100,00 - 30 Min. Telefone: (21) 2547-0778.

As you can see, at least two thirds of them are not the many "Low price privs with good quality for the locals. " that Sperto mentioned, hence the request for the info, since the local gp-guia and gparena posters don't seem to know about them.

[QUOTE=Questner;2402490]Some are only occasional visitors who stay in Copacabana and have day time dedicated to other pursuits. What simple advice would you give to a friend of yours who is looking for having uncomplicated fun in the evening / night time in Rio?[/QUOTE]
I would bring a friend out to the nightlife in Rio and make sure he had the best night in his life and get laid with a hot girl for free.
[QUOTE=Jimmy Boy 99;2402510]I expected a snarky, information-free post and, no surprise, you delivered. The posts about prives that are open on Saturday were to correct the misinformation you gave to BlueChange when you implied prives are closed weekends.[/QUOTE]
BlueChange didn't ask about opening hours on Saturdays. I never wrote that the privées are closed on weekends, I noted which dates were weekends. Anybody with some experience of privées knows that most Centro privées are closed on weekends, except a few which are open a few hours on Saturdays.
I think Patslyfe1 gave you an excellent advice, study old threads and download Google Translator.

No need for you cluttering the thread with a pissing contest. I'll put you on the ignore list so hopefully you don't have to waste time reading my posts and vice versa.

Everyone today wants and expects instant answers. Just go to YouTube and watch a video to see how it is done. Little thought or consideration is given to the experience and / or expertise of the guy who makes it look so easy in the video. Also, most people are too busy to read all those comments which might address a situation that is closer to their own.

There are members who speak Portuguese fluently and have spent the equivalent of years in Brazil. I personally have spent 6 months at a time living in Brazil among Brazilians speaking only Portuguese. Seeing the same questions over and over again because people are too lazy to do a little research gets old as does people who always ask for information but never report any. I have mentioned the following sites several times:

[URL]https://espacoterapias.com.br/[/URL]

[URL]https://terapiasonline.com.br/home[/URL]

If you need a love motel to take a girl:

[URL]https://www.guiademoteis.com.br/rio-de-janeiro[/URL]

The best advice that I have given is often ignored. Be respectful, get to know hotel staff, street vendors, apartment and office building doormen. Don't be a jerk. Following that advice will put an end to another silly question about girl-friendly hotels. I have stayed in most of the moderate to high-end hotels and NEVER had an issue.

One time I was staying at a hotel in Rio and was checking out, going to beúzios and returning. The day I was to leave, I was notified my credit card data had been skimmed, my card had been cancelled and that a new card needed to be issued. The hotel also had a property in beúzios and called ahead for me telling them not to worry about the charges. They told me to have a nice trip and that I could settle my bill there when I got back. Keep in mind this was in Rio where no one trusts anyone. Another time, I was walking the beach early and met a girl. I did not have any money on me. We went to a love motel where I explained to the manager, whom I had taken the time to get to know on previous visits, I had no form of payment but would return later. Told the same thing to the girl. Both were fine with the arrangement.

Instead of worrying that there might be one small privee with 2 shop-worn old women that you somehow might miss out on, learn at least some basic Portuguese, study a map and get to know the metro stops, read this forum and visit recommended sites. Above all, repeat to yourself over and over again, I will stop being a jerk.

[QUOTE=ExecTalent;2402583]Everyone today wants and expects instant answers. Just go to YouTube and watch a video to see how it is done. Little thought or consideration is given to the experience and / or expertise of the guy who makes it look so easy in the video. Also, most people are too busy to read all those comments which might address a situation that is closer to their own.

There are members who speak Portuguese fluently and have spent the equivalent of years in Brazil. I personally have spent 6 months at a time living in Brazil among Brazilians speaking only Portuguese. Seeing the same questions over and over again because people are too lazy to do a little research gets old as does people who always ask for information but never report any. I have mentioned the following sites several times:

[URL]https://espacoterapias.com.br/[/URL]

[URL]https://terapiasonline.com.br/home[/URL]

If you need a love motel to take a girl:

[URL]https://www.guiademoteis.com.br/rio-de-janeiro[/URL]

The best advice that I have given is often ignored. Be respectful, get to know hotel staff, street vendors, apartment and office building doormen. Don't be a jerk. Following that advice will put an end to another silly question about girl-friendly hotels. I have stayed in most of the moderate to high-end hotels and NEVER had an issue.

One time I was staying at a hotel in Rio and was checking out, going to bezios and returning. The day I was to leave, I was notified my credit card data had been skimmed, my card had been cancelled and that a new card needed to be issued. The hotel also had a property in bezios and called ahead for me telling them not to worry about the charges. They told me to have a nice trip and that I could settle my bill there when I got back. Keep in mind this was in Rio where no one trusts anyone. Another time, I was walking the beach early and met a girl. I did not have any money on me. We went to a love motel where I explained to the manager, whom I had taken the time to get to know on previous visits, I had no form of payment but would return later. Told the same thing to the girl. Both were fine with the arrangement.

Instead of worrying that there might be one small privee with 2 shop-worn old women that you somehow might miss out on, learn at least some basic Portuguese, study a map and get to know the metro stops, read this forum and visit recommended sites. Above all, repeat to yourself over and over again, I will stop being a jerk.[/QUOTE]That is pretty cool of you. I am from the same school. Treat people how you want to be treated. When I spent time in Colombia I had the same way of being. I rememeber always being nice to security, the shop owners etc. There was a time where there was no alcohol being sold and the door man had a secert stash he just gave to me over the weekeend cause he knew I had a girl with me.

That said, thank you for the resource.

The last time I was in Rio it was during the help days. I know times have changed so it's good to know the resources.

Now that 4 x4 is a wrap. Whats the next best thing in your opinion?

Euro Rio Spa, ([URL]https://espacoterapias.com.br/clinicas/euro-rio-spa/[/URL]). Their website appears to be down for now, but they are one of the few prives open on Sunday.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2402351]The prives in Tijuca (at least Massagem Tijuca and Annes Massagem) are open Saturdays until about 5 or 6 PM. The prives in 583 Nossa S. De Copacabana are open on Saturdays until at least 6 PM. Termas Monte Carlo, Solarium, and Centaurus are open Saturday nights. Villa Mimosa, if it reopens again, should be open Saturday and Sunday, although it is mostly a horror show. I don't remember if the trash boates in Centro like 210 and 145 Uruguaiana are open on Saturday nights.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2402771]That is pretty cool of you. I am from the same school. Treat people how you want to be treated. When I spent time in Colombia I had the same way of being. I rememeber always being nice to security, the shop owners etc. There was a time where there was no alcohol being sold and the door man had a secert stash he just gave to me over the weekeend cause he knew I had a girl with me.

That said, thank you for the resource.

The last time I was in Rio it was during the help days. I know times have changed so it's good to know the resources.

Now that 4 x4 is a wrap. Whats the next best thing in your opinion?[/QUOTE]Management and staff at Manhattan (Cancun Whiskeria) has always treated me like a king. Passes for free entrances, allowing me to bring in non-GDPs and never an issue with the bill. From my first visit, the regulars have been welcoming. To me, it feels like Cheers. The rooms are nice and spacious enough for foursomes. Another benefit of not being a jerk is that the girls will seek you out. Guys often complain that there are no girls this or that place but if you are someone who has a reputation for treating them well, they suddenly appear out of nowhere. Don't quote me on this, but I think this is also one of the places that allow two guys and two girls to go to a room. No, not into guy on guy, but it is fun to watch, do a DP and switch off.

As time passes, one's perspective also changes. In my youth, I used to do five different girls a night. Now, I appreciate more exploring a woman's beauty. Suggest those of the same mindset, checkout the girls on the websites I listed, find one you like and make an appointment. My experience has been that the pictures are pretty accurate. However, always have a girl be and see in case your first choice gives you the wrong vibe.

[URL]https://espacoterapias.com.br/[/URL]

[URL]https://terapiasonline.com.br/home[/URL]

Mentioned previously about making appointments. There is a reason which requires you to get into the mind of the working girls (scary, I know). By making an appointment, you are telling the girl (and everyone else there which gives her bragging rights) that she is special. You were not just looking for sex, you wanted to have it with her.

If you are like me and not a fan of big butts, you are in luck. Brazilian men love big butts and so do many of the members here. You are in the minority. That means the girls I like are not as popular and candidly feel a little inferior. Make a big deal about how much you like their bodies. YMMV. Your mileage may vary, but in my experience if it does, blame the driver, not the car.

Voyager1.

Thanks for the info. Although it is probably too far for me to go from Centro for a session, this is the kind of helpful and actionable information that members can appreciate and use. Would be nice if some other members understood that.

Exec Talent.

ISG exists for members to share information. However, some members, one of whom thinks he is Mr. Brazil, as it was put in a PM to me, appear to be on this board only to stroke their ego by going on and on about how much they know and how expert they are. Yet when they are asked to display this vast knowledge and expertise by sharing some of it, they do not. Instead the response of Mr. Brazil is either "I only share information with members worthy enough to be in my PM group" or "It's for me to know and you to find out". In this last case (provide names and locations of some of the many locals only places he claimed to know that are apparently not known to posters on gp-guia and gparena), it was the latter.

Your suggestion that I "learn at least some basic Portuguese, study a map and get to know the metro stops, read this forum and visit recommended sites. " is asinine. I first visited Brazil in 1982, spend 2 or 3 months a year here (in Rio and Sao Paulo) since my retirement, read and speak Portuguese, am a member of Brazil forums like gp-guia, gparena, and forumcutuca, and read and share information on this board, and use these resources to know where to go. I have more than enough places to go in Centro and Tijuca that I hardly ever bother with the well-known for tourist Copacabana prives, let alone need to beg for information on where to find "one small privee with 2 shop-worn old women". The request was to see if he would actually provide information this time, which he obviously did not.

I am surprised and disappointed at your defense of know-it-alls who brag constantly about how much they know and yet don't share it, and even more so by the personal attack. Calling out these braggarts is hardly being a jerk, and I will continue to call them out.

Hi guys,

Just new here. Hope to give my contribute soon when I will be in RJ. I like Solarium especially, then Montecarlo and Centaurus.

So far has anyone an update about Termas? Is still 4 x 4 closed?

Cheers.

What is it? Google did not find that club. I like Ana Foxxx type.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2399294] I went to U210, and spotted two super hot negras, 20 yo, both super do-able. I am kinda out of sperm, having been milked now twice during the day, and once at night in VM. But I was sprouting a boner with those negras shoving their ass cheeks against my dick. I coulda. I will again. Soon. U210 is the best club in Brazil for me, always a negra that is 80% of an Ana foxxx, no cover, and like 70 r for 20 minutes, get a number, and a real bed, at least not a VM rotted through mattress.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bliadun;2403430]What is it? Google did not find that club. I like Ana Foxxx type.[/QUOTE]Try:

R. Uruguaiana, 210 Centro Rio de Janeiro.

Google Street view shows it as a red door entrance.

I tried to avoid empty streets after dark.

However, in the middle of the day when I was standing and looking at the maps on my phone, I was approached a few times by the locals who warned me about some guy nearby who according to them could grab my phone and run away. This happened in Copacabana and Centro.

[QUOTE=Odysseus40;2397059] How about the crime level? Then you were perfectly fine on the beach and walking the streets at night. How much has that changed?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2403298]I am surprised and disappointed at your defense of know-it-alls who brag constantly about how much they know and yet don't share it, and even more so by the personal attack.[/QUOTE]You've been around long enough that you shouldn't be!

I see the door, does not look like a club.

[QUOTE=ExecTalent;2403446]Try:

R. Uruguaiana, 210 Centro Rio de Janeiro.

Google Street view shows it as a red door entrance.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bliadun;2403460]I see the door, does not look like a club.[/QUOTE]I was not the original poster, just trying to help out.

But, be aware that a street level door leading to an upper floor is not unusual. In Copacabana, there was a small termas of sorts across from the park and around the corner from Monte Carlo. Also, on Tonelero near the Siqueira Campos metro entrance was another upper floor place that unless you knew about it, you would walk right by.

You just never know. In the states, I walked up to the door of a lingerie store and it was locked. The owner unlocks it lets me inside and relocks it. Out walks a gorgeous girl wearing very loose shorts and top that showed everything. Who would have thought? In my travels, I try to keep an open mind and flexible schedule. My experience is that if there is a red door, I am going to check it out.

Great place.

[QUOTE=Ohsowavy;2395215]Copa 583 give me an insight what the girls look like? I'm going next month and I am interested in finding one with a good face and slim body (no huge ass and tits). Are these the right places for my taste or would you go somewhere else?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bliadun;2403447]I tried to avoid empty streets after dark.

However, in the middle of the day when I was standing and looking at the maps on my phone, I was approached a few times by the locals who warned me about some guy nearby who according to them could grab my phone and run away. This happened in Copacabana and Centro.[/QUOTE]The cops in Sao Paulo busted a gang of kids snatching mobiles. Their MO: They'd ride around on motorcycles looking for people standing on curbs using their mobiles while waiting for the light to change or while waiting for an Uber looking at their mobiles, waiting at a bus stop etc. They'd see their victim one kid drove the bike, the kid on the back would do the snatching! I always thought for some kids it was a pretty sophisticated operation. Little by little groups of them were arrested in sting operations! I have no sympathy for these little street urchins!

I just got back from a couple of weeks in the Marvelous City and was frankly appalled at the blatant price-gouging at T65! As others have pointed out, it looks like T65 has received the lion's share of the overflow from 4 x 4 and they have decided to raise prices substantially to boot! I decided to check the place out about halfway thru my trip and had to wait at the reception desk while a group of gringos were asking the receptionist questions about pricing via G-translate. One guy struggled to explain that he was just there the week before and the prices were lower. When they finally decided to go in, I stepped to the desk & immediately realized what he was talking about! I had last been there during the summer & all of a sudden, the cover went from R30 to R40 (at least drinks are included) & the 30 m session was jacked up 25%! Since I happened to be carrying enough scratch, I decided to head upstairs & see how much the talent had improved.

Mind you, since this place reopened it has really been mediocre with a small, low-quality lineup. Now this time there were at least 2-2.5 x as many GPS as previous visits, but in no way was it commensurate w / the absurd prices increases! I'm very picky & tend to go from place to place looking for the right combo of features. 65 had all of 1 chick I found doable, but I wouldn't rate her more than a 7.5. Even worse, 40-50% of the females in there couldn't make $ in a decent prive, let alone a 2nd division / borderline 1st division place like this!

This is a perfect example of why I stopped patronizing the 1st division places many years ago once they lost their collective minds & decided to price themselves into the stratosphere! I go to Rio for the females, not the 'ambiance' & there is simply no place or class of places that has the market cornered on hot garotas. What bothered me most about 65 is that at least half the clientele were gringos (which was only 1 of 3 places where I saw a gringo monger in 2 weeks)!

If customers continue to patronize shady establishments like this, they will just continue to exploit you. FTR, T65 is now the highest-priced 2nd division place by a considerable margin & none of the other places of that class have raised prices since 4 x 4 closed, in fact several have dropped prices in recent years.

Some of these motels show the price for 2 people only. Do they really care if I bring 2 or 3 girls with me?

[QUOTE=ExecTalent;2402583]

If you need a love motel to take a girl:

[URL]https://www.guiademoteis.com.br/rio-de-janeiro[/URL]

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[QUOTE=Bliadun;2403618]Some of these motels show the price for 2 people only. Do they really care if I bring 2 or 3 girls with me?[/QUOTE]My only experience with love motels is Vanity Motel in Copacabana some years ago. I checked the price for a room (not specifying how many occupants) and told the girls I planned on meeting where to come. When the guy at reception saw there were two girls that were going to be with me in the room, he said the price would be more. I forget how much more, but it was probably 50% more or higher. I suggest you confirm with the hotel the room price for the number of girls you want in the room before you go there in order to avoid surprises.

Which one of you mongers got Mab's hoes fighting over him?

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[QUOTE=ExecTalent;2401811]Christmas in Rio is a time for family. New Years is a time for family and lovers. Life would feel empty if spent with a john.

You are wanting to get laid and they are wanting to belong.

Which means different things depending on whether you are an occasional tourist or a regular visitor. I have had girls with no family in Rio or who lived far away and for whatever reason were not leaving spend the holidays with me for free. Fair trade. They are looking for something and you give it to them, you are looking for something and they give it to you. You just really have to understand what they are looking for and it is not money.

For the occasional tourist, things will start getting back to normal January 2 - 3.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I will be in Rio until the 8th. Will post a reporr. First time doing New Years in Brazil.

[QUOTE=ReyKong6;2403505]I just got back from a couple of weeks in the Marvelous City and was frankly appalled at the blatant price-gouging at T65! As others have pointed out, it looks like T65 has received the lion's share of the overflow from 4 x 4 and they have decided to raise prices substantially to boot! I decided to check the place out about halfway thru my trip and had to wait at the reception desk while a group of gringos were asking the receptionist questions about pricing via G-translate. One guy struggled to explain that he was just there the week before and the prices were lower. When they finally decided to go in, I stepped to the desk & immediately realized what he was talking about! I had last been there during the summer & all of a sudden, the cover went from R30 to R40 (at least drinks are included) & the 30 m session was jacked up 25%! Since I happened to be carrying enough scratch, I decided to head upstairs & see how much the talent had improved.

If customers continue to patronize shady establishments like this, they will just continue to exploit you. FTR, T65 is now the highest-priced 2nd division place by a considerable margin & none of the other places of that class have raised prices since 4 x 4 closed, in fact several have dropped prices in recent years.[/QUOTE]If your going to slag a club off at least post the correct prices. The 40 minutes went from 160 to 225 but I think you will find everything else went down, 60 minutes suite 290 down to 275, the JAW suite 60 minutes went from 440 down to 420 & the 90 minutes in the JAW did go up from 525 to 580. Considering that most people do an hour & like more then a cabine the prices changes are good. The massage went from 60 to 70. All prices I have quoted are Real in cash. The price list photos I have would not upload.

I will check it out during next fuckation.

[QUOTE=ExecTalent;2403470]I was not the original poster, just trying to help out.

But, be aware that a street level door leading to an upper floor is not unusual. In Copacabana, there was a small termas of sorts across from the park and around the corner from Monte Carlo. Also, on Tonelero near the Siqueira Campos metro entrance was another upper floor place that unless you knew about it, you would walk right by.
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I will be careful with small print.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2403645]My only experience with love motels is Vanity Motel in Copacabana some years ago. I checked the price for a room (not specifying how many occupants) and told the girls I planned on meeting where to come. When the guy at reception saw there were two girls that were going to be with me in the room, he said the price would be more. I forget how much more, but it was probably 50% more or higher. I suggest you confirm with the hotel the room price for the number of girls you want in the room before you go there in order to avoid surprises.[/QUOTE]

Is it a bad time to visit Rio in end of January??

Found some amazing flight deals during this time and didn't see any holiday as well.

I am a regular visitor of Colombia and super excited about the opportunity.

[QUOTE=OldBelly69;2404031]Is it a bad time to visit Rio in end of January??

Found some amazing flight deals during this time and didn't see any holiday as well.

I am a regular visitor of Colombia and super excited about the opportunity.[/QUOTE]In my opinion it is a really good time to visit. It's after the holidays and right before Carnaval so it's optimal.

[QUOTE=Dasisextra;2403726]If your going to slag a club off at least post the correct prices. The 40 minutes went from 160 to 225 but I think you will find everything else went down, 60 minutes suite 290 down to 275, the JAW suite 60 minutes went from 440 down to 420 & the 90 minutes in the JAW did go up from 525 to 580. Considering that most people do an hour & like more then a cabine the prices changes are good. The massage went from 60 to 70. All prices I have quoted are Real in cash. The price list photos I have would not upload.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this clarity. Are you able to say what JAW stands for? Jacuzzi and something?

I'll be in Rio at the end of January. Will touch base with the group here when I know the dates to see if anyone wants to go out together.

I was in Rio about 3 yrs ago. I went to Delirio Oriental, happened to meet a great girl named Rebecca (young, petite, lots of energy). I remember I paid 200 for my session.

Now I'll be back in Brazil going to Sao Paulo. I'm wondering if its worth coming back to Rio again or if I'll find similar or better in SP. Not sure how much has changed since then.

Basically, the type of place I can go in and pick the girl I want assuming there is a good selection of what I like (young, petite). And that the choices are in safe and easy to get to locations (from the usual central / tourist locations by walking or transit). And open daytime (early afternoon)

Yesterday I was at 4 x 4 in Rio de Janeiro and it was closes.

An employer tell me that it ich closes until January.

[QUOTE=GeorgeTStagg;2404367]Thanks for this clarity. Are you able to say what JAW stands for? Jacuzzi and something?

I'll be in Rio at the end of January. Will touch base with the group here when I know the dates to see if anyone wants to go out together.[/QUOTE]Sorry I have never asked as I am happy with the normal suite at 275, even big enough to enjoy a 3 some in.

You can get a jacuzzi at Cancun 400 an hour I think but 450 if you want the shower separated. I was happy having the shower in the jacuzzi.

I read that they had a fire.

[QUOTE=Dominus22;2404585]Yesterday I was at 4 x 4 in Rio de Janeiro and it was closes.

An employer tell me that it is closed until January.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2404675]I read that they had a fire.[/QUOTE]

Sorry for the translated English.

Hi, This is my first report here. I was usually writing posts on Israeli forum but it got shut down unfortunately*lately by some feminists. So here I am writing.

I have been to Brazil, Rio twice for the past six months and here is report.

First I will start with some few bad experiences I had and then I will give my full report.

First warning Melissa: - Melissa Rio Reviews*(21) 99851-5858 [URL]https://www.riosexsite.com/escort/Melissa02[/URL].

She looks less good than her photos here. She have belly. But that's not the worst part. She just took the money and then left the hotel. It was my first day in Rio so I didn't want to make a fuss. I was stupid. 500 real. Just took them and left.

Ehhhhhh Brazil.

A bit of information, I prefer to go for quality, I have money, I'm not a millionaire but I'm not looking for the cheapest and unfortunately here is a disappointing Brazil. In every city or country I come to for the first time I try everything out just to learn how it works there, amazing how in each country the paid sex issue and fucking in general work differently. So I want to learn at first until I understand even if there are falls.

A few words that can be retrieved later: Brazil, Brazil, Brazil, Rio de Janeiro and Rio de Janeiro.

TL; DR;.

Advantages in Brazil: cheap, cool, open girls, good food, weather, landscapes, atmosphere, and cheap I already said. Cons: Dirty, the girls too, disorganized, everything is a mess. Don't speak English. A little dangerous. And far away.

I have to point out that Rio seems to have great potential, and really the cheapest place I ever got to fuck even girls, but on the other hand I still haven't cracked Rio's vibe and I've had a lot of falls and yet Rio seems to have great potential that I haven't been able to fulfill. But with That's a lot of disappointment and it could be because I'm very used to Germany's quality and accuracy, still the girls are equal, sexy Latin but also bubbly, dirty and problematic. You see an equal, sexy girl in the club, moving her ass in circles, meaty legs. In the light, she is just someone and when she takes off her clothes and makeup she is already ugly. Somehow they all seem to be rashes, big breasts are analyzed, under huge surgeries, make-up names with spittle and average working girl behavior, still at the cost of a meal in the restaurant you bring them to an hour and the price of a little more expensive even for the night. High, who studied at university, clean with a pretty face. Accompanying, GFE really, not just kissing but a fun and flowing girl. Rio more in a cheap but in a section of fuck: -.).

A little about Brazilian girls: flowing in revealing clothes, with a lot of breast surgery, and some of the real pictures look better in pictures than they really look and in the hotel they look even less good than other clean kisses.

So let's explain how it works: The sex scene in Brazil divides into several parts that each also works at a different time. First, explain the types of places and finally give the account of what I did.

Massage Institute: Not just in the headquarters, actually massage parlors are a place to fuck. Open from 10 am to 7 pm. You go in, about 4 or 5 girls on shift. Price of 180 riyals per hour 120 riyals for half an hour. Today's real exchange rate is about one to one, like the shekel, so it's easy to calculate. Girls look not bad but not amazing. Considered a massage parlor but as soon as the election comes in, she immediately puts a condom on the bed. The girls but don't know how to massage and most of the time it's a dull flutter and come on.

Professional Massage: What is cool about Brazil is that you also get a manual massage at the Professional Massage Institute. It's not a part of some sex, even a tantra, but just part of the massage. Why not massage yourself in this area too? And by the way, the massage is really professional and you will get about 300 rays more or less both a good massage and a manual relaxation.

Something else nice in Brazil, almost all the girls flow with a phone, even in massage parlors and other places they just give you their phone with Watasap and then arrange with you outside the institute to meet with you for a night, dinner and more. Something interesting is that a vast majority of girls work independently so they have no problem giving the phone. Also accompanied are independent girls who interpret themselves with real pictures and their private wetsap so that in the vast majority you speak directly with the girl and this is indeed the girl from the pictures. There are advantages, of course, directly with the girl, but there are also disadvantages. I personally prefer an escort agency that hardly exists in Brazil. An agency may cost more because of the part they take but know how to fit the girl that suits the requirements and those who complain that it is advisable to keep a good name. Private girls care less and max they switch phones.

Escort sites: These sites usually private girls advertise themselves. On most sites, girls are seen as models who look amazing, with their own private wetsap that you can talk to directly. Prices range from 300 rials to 700 rials per hour, but the more time they take, the price per hour falls, and in 2000 rials are possible per night, and even less, even though more girls are more likely to take. Still much, much cheaper than Germany. Although the girls look amazing in the pictures and these are real pictures I had falls that I will detail later. Girls when you come see that they look less good, lots of Photoshop and professional photography and in reality are one or less years score. In addition, they get a private apartment that is either their own apartment or apartment for fuck / renters and the place is less clean.

The problem: Most hotels in Brazil do not agree to let anyone into the room. While in Germany there is no problem, note that Brazil do not agree and there are few places that allow anyone to bring a room.

Solution: Make sure in advance that the hotel you stayed in is guest-friendly and there are not many. And in any case pay in advance for two people (that's what I did) but still they require the girl to register at the entrance and then only one girl can be brought. Last option is an hourly hotel, love motel, which is a special hotel for hourly fuckers who don't make a problem. But then you also pay for the night at your hotel plus the time at the hotel for hours. From the hour of sleep, it costs about 100 real per hour and 240 real per morning. The motels I've been to at Copacabana / Botpogo are lido which is shabby and panda which is cool and excellent.

Lower level escort sites are sites that do not filter and anyone can post there with whatever images they want. Also there is a direct phone number for the girl and the prices are lower. 200 Reals (NIS) per hour and even 1000 Reals per night. Most pictures are true! But the girls at a lower level can be found and on the other hand there is also a behind the scenes escort agency activity so they have some Wetsap group that once you request a girl they are Pass the number in the group to see who is ready to go.

All independent girls who work at escort sites usually work from 12 noon to 10 pm Usually if you try to get them before they are asleep and will not answer and if you try to determine with them later than ten at night they will tell you that it is already late and set for another day.

Termas: termas: This is Rio's equivalent of Germany's FKK. These are some *houses (I know of five) operating in Rio that when you arrive, you pay about 60 riyals (on Monday there is no charge) you get a lock box and stuff. Crazy. About 120 girls in place much much smaller than FKK. Disco. Dancing in tiny mini thongs and lingerie. Just start talking, they really want you to fuck them. The price here is a bit high for 270 reals for half an hour and 390 reals per hour but this is the best place I have been. There are other cheaper places. Here are the prices like at FKK in Germany but what: Brazilian. Notice that out of the 120 girls, only one spoke English. I am fortunate that I speak Spanish and also some of them speak a little Spanish and there is a similarity between Portuguese and Spanish so that I could do well, but without language it would be difficult to get what you want. The trams are open from noon around 2 pm until midnight and even afterwards. But from my experience around 10 pm the places are mostly empty midweek. Maybe it's because Rio is dangerous and people want to come back. I was in a place called Whiskeria quatro por quatro. Unfortunately the rooms there are really dirty and disgusting at the level of mold on the walls. Quite disappointing. It is not as neat and tidy as in Germany but the amount of Brazilian girls with a huge ass moving and dancing in a small place makes up for it. It annoyed me, too, that the cleaner (and everywhere) asked for a tip and did more shit work. But at least try.

Bars and Discos: These open very late, around 11 pm and the activity starts around 1 am to 4 am. The most famous club that was called help but was already closed. The last time I was in Rio was twenty years ago on my trip to South America and unfortunately I did not go to this club, but then I was also not in the prostitutes section. Now there are several bars and other clubs. The place looks like a regular discotheque, though a bit dirtier (like everything in Rio) and the place comes from working, blacks and mulatto girls and girls, dancing and clinging to you want you to order a drink. They move simply amazing but unfortunately most do not look good enough though there is reality. The price varies greatly and depends on your hour and bargaining power. Allow at 200 rays per hour or 500 rays for the morning. Please note that the hotel must be taken as it is a total pick up bar. Further reports below here.

Escort agencies: none exist, or I unfortunately did not find.

Tinder: This is where I found the best reality. Relatively clean girls also look good. Also nicer and less with a working girl's attitude and good prices. Notice that many of the girls who work at Trams are the same girls who post on escort sites and the same girls who later go to Pickup Bar so that explains why it is divided by the hour's places. The short ones, Tinder opens, immediately identify those who are working girls, posing in thongs with interesting poses. Usually between the ages of 19 and 27. Start chatting. Move to Wattsap. They immediately explain to you that they are escort girls. Bring to the hotel. I had some bad successes at a fifth price from Germany.

Free local girls: There is, possible, both Tinder and clubs. I didn't invest in the direction because I didn't really have the power, but the Brazilian atmosphere is electrifying and I'm sure you can find it. Twenty years ago when I was traveling, I went Brazil in Brazil with local, this time I had no time and strength. There was one recommended place I went one evening but turned out to be a big disappointment "shaninigans irish pub" so I do not recommend.

So far, explanations of how Rio works. And now to my personal experiences. Notice that in Brazil, HIV is raging so much with a condom (which I brought home) both sucking and caution.

Friday I arrived, I put things in the hotel. I took a hotel in Copacabana. Which is pretty much the middle of Rio. For me. In Rio which is a huge city and it is not perceived everything is run by boroughs. You can guess someone from another square, cost more taxi and take more time to arrive and that way they are late. So it is always advisable to find out which district it is to know how long it will take her, how much it will cost you or her taxi or Uber.

In Brazil taxis are cheap and the Uber is even cheaper. I made friends with Uber all the time and was great. I also occasionally took a taxi and a subway to go to work but only during the day and not at night just to save the traffic. It wasn't scary at all. Even at night, I walked around the checkout cautiously. Little money on me. A phone is worth less and a credit card is loaded so if I am robbed, I give everything and I don't mind. But neither robbed me nor stole from me and everything was fine. I walked around in bright places at night. And during the day, I kept things going and drove the subway and walked around the center (which is dangerous at night) and didn't pick me up.

To him the active boroughs. Reporting along the coast, from north to south: The center: Here there are thermals, working girls and massage parlors. It's the city's business district. Round during the day, dangerous at night. Flamengo and Botafogo: There are some nice places. Checkout CopaCabana: the beach area, full of massage parlors. Lots of working girls and pickup bars. A bit of a risk but not very touristy. Ipanema and Balloon: Richer areas, beautiful beaches, some massage places and some working girls but a high level. Less dangerous. Berre the Tejuca: A little far away. Area surfers. Many girls work at a relatively high level, some massage parlors. Less dangerous.

So I set up with a girl who looked best in the pictures. Amazing model. Tanned with swimwear and tanned stripes and chest and facial images. She explained to me how to get to her apartment in Copacabana. I arrived. It does open the door to the girl in the pictures. But what is low. You don't see that in the pictures. 500 per hour and 700 per hour. That is a very high price to Rio but it should be the top and unfortunately it is not. Looks good but less good than I expected even though she is the girl from the pictures. I decided not to go in with her. She got a crunch. She started screaming. You have to pay me. I took the room. I opened the door and left. Then she sends me on WhatsApp that she will pass my number to all the selections and no one will agree to meet me. This is my first Mario experience.

I spent some time going into one of the massage parlors. There was one young woman with a round ass. I came in with her for 180 hours. Although under beautiful legs but as soon as the bra is removed the chest falls disgusting. Good did a bad massage for me. I didn't want to fuck her. She did it by hand.

I tried to invite one beautiful adult from Barrera de Tijuca. So of course she was late! And I also paid for a taxi. A total of 450 real per hour. The girl came from the pictures. Beautiful. A little more plump than the pictures of course. Mature. I would say 35 years old, but excellent, clean and smooth skin. Sexy. I thought I was successful. It was nice. But what in the cycle!! And more telling me that after I entered it! I pulled out my dick right away. Lucky for everything with a condom. Immediately shower. Force your stuff and character from my eyes. At least they saw her clean. Too bad, she had good potential.

I ended up falling asleep jet lag.

Saturday, I realized I didn't understand Rio. I wanted to invite a girl to go with me to the sea. I've tried all kinds of girls but they wake up late. I ordered this first Meliisa that I eventually canceled with her because at least I knew what I was getting. She came to the sea with a thong joined me on the beach at Copacabana. Then we went to the hotel for hours. Daughter in there tells me after I gave her the money she would just do a massage because I didn't get in with her yesterday. Almost the blood came to my head. But in the end it's just money and I don't want to get involved in another country. I said thank you so much, take your things and fly my eyes. Then some jobs went.

I went to eat at Tenedor Libre which is the kind of restaurant where you load up and end up paying by weight. I really like Brazilian food. There are more quality and expensive and there are less but still good ones. I had a lot of fun.

In the evening I invited a girl from Tinder. Sent me pictures. Includes interior photos. Includes body photos and whatever, obedient BDSM loves. The girl came. 200 real per hour. You look really good. Less face. Not a bad body. And high end. Most Brazilians are low. Although with good body and huge but low ass. And that's high. Doing everything. I had a lot of fun with a level girl too. 1200 Real threshold all, stayed to bed until morning. It was excellent and if she had a better face and a little bigger she would have been perfect for Rio. So while not Germany, but cheap in rant.

Sunday, I determined if any of the checkout. I told her when I would arrive. When I arrived she wasn't ready. I waited down for 10 minutes. I was annoyed. Although Brazil is not Germany and there is no accuracy at all, and it is not an hour, I understand. Still, I was annoyed so I went. Then I set up with someone else. From one of the sites. Sent pictures with face, 19 year old girl, low but good body. Thongs. Good ass and five minutes from my hotel. Indeed the girl in the pictures. Looks not bad at all and reasonable fucking. I will definitely sample her again later and she will also be happy to have a full day with me including going to the sea and sleeping in 1200 Real but she is busy the rest of the week.

Monday, I drove downtown for meetings. After work I checked out some massage parlors (fuck) but there were average girls there. Then I went to one tram in the center but there weren't many girls there so I tried another tram. 4 x4. Wow what a place. 60 girls at 4 pm By 8 pm, there were already 120 girls. Very few men. You feel king. They come up to you dancing trying to lure you simply pleasure. I came in with two girls who agreed to my lesbian. 270 for each. Notice that here there is no extra price like in Germany. There's what the girl does or doesn't do. Doing anal so it's included in the price, lesbians licking each other yes or no. Anyone who agrees is already included. It was excellent, a great half hour. But what the dirty rooms. Although sheets and towels are new and clean but the room itself is not level. Then I went in with another and another. A total of 4 girls. Another nice thing is that you pay at the end before departure and don't have to deal with money during your stay. I also met a young half-Brazilian Israeli who lives there as an organizer for a young company on a tour of the place and the girls. Trema has everything. High. Muscularity. Huge chest but mostly huge and huge. Of course I took the whatsapp from the girls to determine later. They finish at ten at night but in the end we talked to whatsapp but I decided to try other girls because I'm in the sampling section, and even though there were falls I wanted to understand more about how the city works and I didn't want to go for sure with the same girl I already was. Sexy. Latin. But still a working girl mentality. Lots and lots of make-up. Something very cheap in behavior. You see the artificial lashes. Silicone ass. They wind around, kissing too (I haven't tried. I don't like) but something I didn't really connect with. I also don't like blacks and even mulatas.

Enough having a small touch makes it less to me already. There were still a lot of girls there and a lot of tan that was the sexiest thing to me.

Tuesday, my night in Rio. After work I set up a mantra-like massage. I arrived, the girl opened from the pictures. Ahla massage includes manual relaxation. It was cool. 300 real. I went back to the hotel because I wanted to invite another girl to the hotel. Full breeze. I invited a cute young lady from Tinder. Indeed the girl in the pictures. Really cute, but not sexy enough. It was nice but not something amazing. 300 Real. At night came, I went to one of the pickup bar, called the mabs on the beach at Copacabana. What a horror. Full of ugly missile girls and full of old Americans. The selections stand around the bar on the beach waiting for the elders to invite them to sit at the table. Girls I wouldn't touch with a stick. I stayed a bit to learn the atmosphere. The girls make you eyes, but are disgusting to my taste with the clothes from the nineties. Everything felt like the years of the nineties. I went back to the hotel. I tried to invite another girl, but for the first time, the girl didn't come in pictures. It was a kind of agency. Cute black came, but I don't like black that much. Scrunched in the hotel, and because she was cute and I explained to her that she wasn't the girl in the pictures she understood. I paid her 50 real just because she was lovely. I sent a message to the agency that it was not serious and sent it back home. It is now really late but I went on other dates called Dolce Vita. It is already level and at midnight it is a disco in Copacabana filled with working girls. Some of them look good, most of them not really, but still an interesting atmosphere, the girls make you eyes. I drank beers. I danced with a few girls who were clinging to you and only looking for men. Looks like a petri dish. I was almost desperate to go home and suddenly two came in. One tanned napkin with a tight dress and another beautiful 19-year-old girl. They came together. Since it's the last evening, I already said why not. Unfortunately I did not close enough details before I took them and it is always mandatory to close details in advance. 400 Reals for each one this morning including my lesbian. We went to my hotel and didn't let us in because they were two. So we drove to the hotel for hours. Huge bed room with dance floor. Fucking room. So the MILF turned out to be smoking marijuana and couldn't stop talking and constantly went into the shower and was a shit fuck despite having an excellent body. The girl turned out to be nicer and indeed more devoted and less aggressive with a nipple earring and a nice attitude. But what. Terrible smell from the glass. What a mess. I let Millipith come down to her and she agreed. Mozar. I decided not to fuck at all by hand. I was defeated. Total with hotel and drinks and girls cost me 1300 real. Although angry but still nothing compared to Germany. Shorter falls, but I learned. At 7 am we left the hotel. They returned home, I took a taxi to the hotel and from there to an airport.

This is until now Rio de Janeiro Brazil. Admittedly falls but also successes and I learned. I'm sure there will still be some good surprises later. Send me a message if you want to know more.

Friday: I tried melissa in 500 or 700. - I didn't like her nervousness. I went to massage 180 - weird boobs. Then came the late adorable pussy in circulation: 400. In the evening I went to mabs which was awful.

Saturday, I tried Melissa again who knocked a crazy tap came to the sea took money and went. I went to a massage: 180 this evening from a docile Tinder who stayed to sleep we went to Shennings Irish in a pub which is quite boring: $ 300.

First, I tried a place, didn't open just in time. I went even though it was quite a while. One 19-year-old Brazilian girl blossomed: 250. In the evening I went to check out the Dolce Vita but it was still empty at eleven at night and I was tired of waiting any longer. I also went through the ugly mabs again. I went to bed. Second, at work sessions in the morning. I checked some massage in the center. And one donation was unsuccessful so I didn't go in. And then I went to fundraiser four on four. Crazy: two together + one more + one more massage. 270 double two plus 270 plus 270 = 1170 third. Tantra massage in the center: 300 - a little beating in the eggs. Waiting for more. I ordered that from yinder The girl came in pictures, cute, but you didn't look good enough. 300. And gone but at least cute. Then I ordered one that looks really good in the pictures, but it was already late, another black came to my finish. She entered the hotel. I got angry but give her 100 and send her back. It was actually an agency impersonating. So I left for Dolce Vita. It only starts there at 1 am. Full full of working girls. Uglier and less and how likely a candidate is. I stayed until 3 in the morning, I found two a MILF and the other a 19-year-old, armed with a shy fire, I took them to the hotel they could not enter. I didn't close details until the end. We went to the hotel by the hour, panda, cost 220 rooms and other beers that drank 50. I paid each of 500, a total of 1260 with everything. Have a little lesbian.

Sorry for the translated English.

A nice and lengthy first effort on this site, but your post is full of inaccuracies and rookie errors. I will point out just one. You wrote that pretty much all hotels don't allow mongers to bring in girls. That is so untrue! Whether in Rio, São Paulo, or Porto Alegre I have never had a problem ever bringing a tute to my hotel room. Not once, and I have been to Brazil many times. I just hate it when I see misleading information like this that gives guys who don't know the wrong impression. Just book your room for two people, and it will be very unlikely that you will have any problems.

Had walked by this place a couple of times on my Saturday night strolls through Lapa but had never gone in because of the caipivodka drink I always bought at my usual street stand on the way. Sign says free admission for men (for women 10 real), 25 girls stripping. Apparently a fairly new boate, and unusual to be in Lapa, per a post on gparena. Finally decided to check-it out last night, so postponed my caipivodka and entered about 11 PM. Room is fairly large, maybe 2/3 the size of the main room in 502. No stage for stripping, just a pole in the middle of the room for any stripping that is done. Place seemed kind of empty: maybe 10 girls and 10 guys. Drink prices for caipirinha and caipivodka seem to be about 5-10 real higher than similar boates, even higher than termas 65 and 502. Girls were the level you could get in daytime centro prives for 100 to 140 real an hour; however, due to the night time premium, rates are 170 real for 30 minutes, 200 for 40, and 220 for 60. Since no one attracted me, especially at those rates for that level of girl, I left after 3 minutes. No need to return anytime soon.

Since 4 x4 is a wrap with the fire.

What would you suggest as alternatives?

Similar hours, girls rates etc. Lay it on me.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2405163]A nice and lengthy first effort on this site, but your post is full of inaccuracies and rookie errors. I will point out just one. You wrote that pretty much all hotels don't allow mongers to bring in girls. That is so untrue!...[/QUOTE]Man, you were harsh on the monger. I read his report, and he did say "Most hotels don't let you bring in a girl. ", which has been the case in Rio as long as I remember. He made an effort and we should first thank him for that, and then correct his inaccuracies in a nicer way.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2405163]A nice and lengthy first effort on this site, but your post is full of inaccuracies and rookie errors. I will point out just one. You wrote that pretty much all hotels don't allow mongers to bring in girls. That is so untrue! Whether in Rio, So Paulo, or Porto Alegre I have never had a problem ever bringing a tute to my hotel room. Not once, and I have been to Brazil many times. I just hate it when I see misleading information like this that gives guys who don't know the wrong impression. Just book your room for two people, and it will be very unlikely that you will have any problems.[/QUOTE]It was a long report, maybe too long to get the point but I think he was just referring to Rio and not all of Brazil as he said so you had to get that. Now anybody who has stayed in various hotels in Rio through the years knows that many hotels have a policy of not allowing GDP's in the room at all. Now I understand it's just policy or a rule and some guys here are just slick enough to get around it but let's face it not everybody knows how to do it.

I am now in Sao Paulo. I would like to know if termas in Rio de Janeiro are open on January 2nd.

Sorry, but I have never, never had an issue with hotels and bringing girls in! And I have stayed at many different ones, mainly in Copa. It's so, so easy as to be a non-issue, and anybody can do it! I was not overly harsh, and it's misinformation. You can easily find hotels all over Rio that will accommodate (read the reports). You don't need to be slick LOL! Just book for two. Yes, there are a few that are difficult, but the problem is so easily avoided. Nothing like say going to Dubai where there are constant discussions about which hotels are "green" and which are "red". I am a seasoned Rio and Brazil monger and know what I am talking about.

Hanging at the Rio Hilton. I fucked her in her tight, big branca ass at 4 x 4 when it was open.

Three firefighters killed.

[URL]https://riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/rio-de-janeiro/three-firefighters-killed-trying-to-extinguish-fire-at-whiskeria-quatro-por-quatro-downtown-rio/[/URL]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2404864][URL]https://g1.globo.com/rj/rio-de-janeiro/noticia/2019/10/18/principio-de-incendio-interdita-rua-no-centro-do-rio.ghtml[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2405462]Hanging at the Rio Hilton. I fucked her in her tight, big branca ass at 4 x 4 when it was open.[/QUOTE]These pics are outstanding, thanks for sharing! Thanks for the intel on the Hilton that you can bring girls in with no problem. Yes I agree with you it's better to stay in a hotel you know is GDP friendly ahead of time to avoid any problems. I used to stay in apartments but lately been preferring a hotel, been staying in the Pestana which is also girl friendly and if you're lazy and lonely on the weekend just go up to the rooftop bar and chances are you can find a girl and bring her to your room, nice and easy.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2405579]Three firefighters killed.
[URL]https://riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/rio-de-janeiro/three-firefighters-killed-trying-to-extinguish-fire-at-whiskeria-quatro-por-quatro-downtown-rio/[/URL][/QUOTE]Actually 4 firefighters died. BTW this is old news already mentioned here 2 months ago.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2405458]Sorry, but I have never, never had an issue with hotels and bringing girls in! And I have stayed at many different ones, mainly in Copa. It's so, so easy as to be a non-issue, and anybody can do it! I was not overly harsh, and it's misinformation. You can easily find hotels all over Rio that will accommodate (read the reports). You don't need to be slick LOL! Just book for two. Yes, there are a few that are difficult, but the problem is so easily avoided. Nothing like say going to Dubai where there are constant discussions about which hotels are "green" and which are "red". I am a seasoned Rio and Brazil monger and know what I am talking about.[/QUOTE]That's good to know, but Avivis report was very useful otherwise, especially to newbies, not so?

I'm visiting Brazil from the states for the second time. My wife is Brazilian and she keeps me on a pretty short leash. Her condo is located in Jardim Botanico. I was researching the Monte Carlo Termas and it sounds a lot like the FKKs I would frequent in Germany.

Unfortunately I couldn't find any located in the neighborhood. Are there any options in Jardim Botanico? I would gladly settle for a massage parlor in Jardim. Also, is BBBJ standard like in Germany?

[QUOTE=Robreefer;2405612]I'm visiting Brazil from the states for the second time. My wife is Brazilian and she keeps me on a pretty short leash. Her condo is located in Jardim Botanico. I was researching the Monte Carlo Termas and it sounds a lot like the FKKs I would frequent in Germany.

Unfortunately I couldn't find any located in the neighborhood. Are there any options in Jardim Botanico? I would gladly settle for a massage parlor in Jardim. Also, is BBBJ standard like in Germany?[/QUOTE]Termas Solarium, Rua Jos Joaquim Seabra, 21 - Lagoa, Rio de Janeiro, is right next door to Jardim Botanico. [URL]http://www.solarium.com.br/[/URL] Be prepared for FKK pricing or more, but should be no charge for BBBJ, CIM, or anal (if offered), although you should confirm that before you go to the room.

Sorry, I have been busy working on Maps and Lists for other countries, mostly Colombia lately.

It has awhile since I was in Rio.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2405590]Actually 4 firefighters died. BTW this is old news already mentioned here 2 months ago.[/QUOTE]

This info is from last year:

"[B]MV 30[/B].

Also located in Centro, MV 30 is a popular termas that is considered to be pretty much on equal footing with Centaurus and 4x4, though it largely depends on who is working the day you come in.

This termas used to have two bars areas, but they've since consolidated down to one, and made it a bit more upscale, which is always a good thing. A cheap entrance fee buys two beers, and you of course have the option of getting a room with a girl. Something that may be appealing to you is the fact that you can stay in your street clothes rather than donning a robe. I'the still recommend going the robe route with the shower beforehand in the room the girls will appreciate it.

The prices vary a bit, but expect to pay around are $200 for a one hour session with a girl. If you come late, you'll have around 25 to choose from. The rate is a great deal for the quality and duration of the session. ".

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2405260]Since 4 x4 is a wrap with the fire.

What would you suggest as alternatives?

Similar hours, girls rates etc. Lay it on me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2405788]This info is from last year:

"[B]MV 30[/B].

Also located in Centro, MV 30 is a popular termas that is considered to be pretty much on equal footing with Centaurus and 4x4, though it largely depends on who is working the day you come in.

This termas used to have two bars areas, but they've since consolidated down to one, and made it a bit more upscale, which is always a good thing. A cheap entrance fee buys two beers, and you of course have the option of getting a room with a girl. Something that may be appealing to you is the fact that you can stay in your street clothes rather than donning a robe. I'the still recommend going the robe route with the shower beforehand in the room the girls will appreciate it.

The prices vary a bit, but expect to pay around are $200 for a one hour session with a girl. If you come late, you'll have around 25 to choose from. The rate is a great deal for the quality and duration of the session. ".[/QUOTE]MV is now 10 real entrance and 280 real for an hour program.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2405816]MV is now 10 real entrance and 280 real for an hour program.[/QUOTE]280/30 minutes? Pretty expensive. I've never seen more than 10 girls in there and most of them were unattractive.

The best alternatives in Centro are Cancun, T65 and 502 . T65 is better than before right now maybe because 4 x4 is now closed. 4 x4 will open again for sure. MV30 is not really good. The only thing I like about MV30 are the rooms if you have one hour session, but most girls are unattractive. The quality in MV30 is not as good as the quality in trash clubs in centro. Sometimes you can find some fuckable girls but you should do footwork.

Solarium and Monte Carlo are also good alternatives. They are situated in Lagoa and Copacabana.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2405846]280/30 minutes? Pretty expensive. I've never seen more than 10 girls in there and most of them were unattractive.[/QUOTE]I said it was for an hour.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2405788]This info is from last year:

"[B]MV 30[/B].

Also located in Centro, MV 30 is a popular termas that is considered to be pretty much on equal footing with Centaurus and 4x4, though it largely depends on who is working the day you come in.

This termas used to have two bars areas, but they've since consolidated down to one, and made it a bit more upscale, which is always a good thing. A cheap entrance fee buys two beers, and you of course have the option of getting a room with a girl. Something that may be appealing to you is the fact that you can stay in your street clothes rather than donning a robe. I'the still recommend going the robe route with the shower beforehand in the room the girls will appreciate it.h

The prices vary a bit, but expect to pay around are $200 for a one hour session with a girl. If you come late, you'll have around 25 to choose from. The rate is a great deal for the quality and duration of the session. ".[/QUOTE]I went in and visited MV30 about a month after the 4 x 4 fire & there was not one in there I would of taken to the room for free. Cancun & T65 would be closet to 4 X 4 & 502 well worth a visit but it's a different set up, you stay in your own clothes.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2405462]Hanging at the Rio Hilton. I fucked her in her tight, big branca ass at 4 x 4 when it was open.[/QUOTE]Really? Hilton doesn't mind working girls in the common areas? Any fees (staying there in January)?

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2405958]Really? Hilton doesn't mind working girls in the common areas? Any fees (staying there in January)?[/QUOTE]If you bring them up to your room, you will be just fine. Not sure how they will feel if you parade them around the premises.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2405987]If you bring them up to your room, you will be just fine. [B]Not sure how they will feel if you parade them around the premises[/B].[/QUOTE]LOL! Too Funny!

[QUOTE=RioBob;2405581]These pics are outstanding, thanks for sharing! Thanks for the intel on the Hilton that you can bring girls in with no problem. Yes I agree with you it's better to stay in a hotel you know is GDP friendly ahead of time to avoid any problems. I used to stay in apartments but lately been preferring a hotel, been staying in the Pestana which is also girl friendly and if you're lazy and lonely on the weekend just go up to the rooftop bar and chances are you can find a girl and bring her to your room, nice and easy.[/QUOTE]Where is the Pestena hotel located? I will be staying a hotel for New year.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;2406147]Where is the Pestena hotel located? I will be staying a hotel for New year.[/QUOTE]Av. Atlântica, 2964 - Copacabana, Rio de Janeiro. RJ, 22070-000.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;2406147]Where is the Pestena hotel located? I will be staying a hotel for New year.[/QUOTE]The internet is not just for downloading porn!

[QUOTE=Robreefer;2405612]it sounds a lot like the FKKs I would frequent in Germany. Also, is BBBJ standard like in Germany?[/QUOTE]The Termas are similar to the FKK's. The girls attitudes are better than the FKK ones. The FKK facilities are better though. Unlike the FKK's, the girls aren't naked, they'll be in bikinis and high heels. Unlike the FKK's you wouldn't be upcharges for a BBBJ, nor kissing. If one hits you for an Anal upcharge, move on. Also be prepared for a workout. Brazilian girls know how to fuk! (But then, you should know that, being married to one. LOL) Best of Luck.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2406151]Av. Atlntica, 2964 - Copacabana, Rio de Janeiro. RJ, 22070-000.[/QUOTE]Thanks, for the reply.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2406341]The Termas are similar to the FKK's. The girls attitudes are better than the FKK ones. The FKK facilities are better though. Unlike the FKK's, the girls aren't naked, they'll be in bikinis and high heels. Unlike the FKK's you wouldn't be upcharges for a BBBJ, nor kissing. If one hits you for an Anal upcharge, move on. Also be prepared for a workout. Brazilian girls know how to fuk! (But then, you should know that, being married to one. LOL) Best of Luck.[/QUOTE]Oh for sure thanks for the info! We are currently in Buzios for next 4 days but I will definitely check out some of the Termas when we get back. It is funny because we live 2 blocks from the Solarium one. I remember the last time we were in Rio my wife pointed it out to me and said there are hookers there. Wondering if it is too close to home.

Is it safe to assume there is no action in Buzios?

Banged this 18 yo in VM. 80 r.

They're only 18 once.

Still stuffed from lunch but wanted to get out of the hotel and maybe do a program if I felt up to it and found the right girl.

Left my hotel about 9 PM. Stopped in at 210 Uruguaiana. Full of guys standing around drinking, or not even drinking. Maybe 8 girls: 2 attractive, but one was busy with a guy and one always looks like she hates being there and have never seen talking to a guy, so moved on.

Went to Espaco 26, at 26 Praca Monte Castelo, which an ISG member had told me about. On ground floor, space about the size of 210 Uruguaiana. Pretty empty: 6 girls, maybe 10 guys. Price 180 real an hour. Would not touch any of them for free, so moved on after 2 minutes.

Went to Terma 502 on Alfandega. 10 Euro entry. 15 girls, maybe 25 guys. Not much happening, looked around hoping to find someone to session with, but did not find anyone I wanted so left after 10 minutes.

Passed by New 81 on Rua Quintanda on the way to Terma 65 on Rua Rosario. Closed, no sign. Went by today and the sign was down on the sidewalk. Maybe they're fixing the sign but looks more like they went out of business.

Entry to 65 now 40 consumption. Went up, had a 25 real caipivodka in the boate. Maybe 20-25 girls, 30-40 guys. Vibe much better than 502, girls and guys dancing to the DJ's good music selection. Looked in both the boate and whiskeria, only two girls doable for me. One girl-next-door type who seemed more interested in being a DJ than in getting a customer until someone came for her by the DJ booth and she went with him without any conversation. The other looked Romanian and did not look too happy so did not bother trying to talk to her. Finally decided to leave after an hour, so got a beer to go to use up my consumption, and left.

Stopped by 119 Alfandega on the way back to 210 Uruguaiana. Dead: 2 girls, 3 guys. On a Thursday night! May be going the way of New 81.

Stopped back in 210. Much emptier; girl I was interested in not there, so left.

For a Thursday night, the boates were pretty dead. Felt like a Monday night.

Both 502 and 65 have Reveillon parties tonight.

[QUOTE=Robreefer;2406556]Oh for sure thanks for the info! We are currently in Buzios for next 4 days but I will definitely check out some of the Termas when we get back. It is funny because we live 2 blocks from the Solarium one. I remember the last time we were in Rio my wife pointed it out to me and said there are hookers there. Wondering if it is too close to home.

Is it safe to assume there is no action in Buzios?[/QUOTE]Type in Buzios for location, small selection but there are plenty of women there:

[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/rio-de-janeiro/massagem-erotica[/URL]

[QUOTE=Robreefer;2406556]Oh for sure thanks for the info! We are currently in Buzios for next 4 days but I will definitely check out some of the Termas when we get back. It is funny because we live 2 blocks from the Solarium one. I remember the last time we were in Rio my wife pointed it out to me and said there are hookers there. Wondering if it is too close to home.

Is it safe to assume there is no action in Buzios?[/QUOTE]It was the case a few years ago, but it seems that some indies have decided to fill the void. Use the link Rio Bob gave you and please tell us all how it worked for you -- I might hit Buzios again when I come in February. Haven't decided yet, something tells me I must finally visit Parati and Angra after all these years.

How is monte carlo on the weekends? Are thermas as dead on the weekends?

It is SOO weird being here now that help days are over.

I will be having a lay over in Rio starting Dec 30 to Jan 1st & will be by myself. I had visited Rio with my fami ly the week before but didn't have a chance to sneak off to a Terma Then. On the 30th I was planning to Visit Monte Carlo in Copacabana because I was told by some locals that 2-3 million people will be in the Copacabana area for New Years eve & they didn't know if the Termas would even be open then. My Hotel this time is in the Centro Area so I was thinking maybe Cancun or MV30 on Dec 31st & Jan 1st. Does anyone know if any termas will be open Dec 31st and Jan 1st?

[QUOTE=Tp273;2407633]I will be having a lay over in Rio starting Dec 30 to Jan 1st & will be by myself. I had visited Rio with my fami ly the week before but didn't have a chance to sneak off to a Terma Then. On the 30th I was planning to Visit Monte Carlo in Copacabana because I was told by some locals that 2-3 million people will be in the Copacabana area for New Years eve & they didn't know if the Termas would even be open then. My Hotel this time is in the Centro Area so I was thinking maybe Cancun or MV30 on Dec 31st & Jan 1st. Does anyone know if any termas will be open Dec 31st and Jan 1st?[/QUOTE]As long as I know, no way that any Therma is open on both 31&1!

[QUOTE=Tp273;2407633]I will be having a lay over in Rio starting Dec 30 to Jan 1st & will be by myself. I had visited Rio with my fami ly the week before but didn't have a chance to sneak off to a Terma Then. On the 30th I was planning to Visit Monte Carlo in Copacabana because I was told by some locals that 2-3 million people will be in the Copacabana area for New Years eve & they didn't know if the Termas would even be open then. My Hotel this time is in the Centro Area so I was thinking maybe Cancun or MV30 on Dec 31st & Jan 1st. Does anyone know if any termas will be open Dec 31st and Jan 1st?[/QUOTE]Before the holidays someone asked if it was a good time to monger in Rio.

I explained that Christmas was a time for family and New Years was a time for family and lovers. I further explained that if you know Brazilian culture, speak Portuguese well and know how to handle yourself, that there will be lonely women looking for companionship. If you are strictly pay-for-play the pickings will be slim. In addition, things will slowly get back to normal January 2-3.

For some, Christmas and New Years in Rio can be a wonderful time. I have awesome memories. However, for the pay-for-play monger, the normal venues will not be open.

[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/rio-de-janeiro/capital[/URL]

[QUOTE=Tp273;2407633]I will be having a lay over in Rio starting Dec 30 to Jan 1st & will be by myself. I had visited Rio with my fami ly the week before but didn't have a chance to sneak off to a Terma Then. On the 30th I was planning to Visit Monte Carlo in Copacabana because I was told by some locals that 2-3 million people will be in the Copacabana area for New Years eve & they didn't know if the Termas would even be open then. My Hotel this time is in the Centro Area so I was thinking maybe Cancun or MV30 on Dec 31st & Jan 1st. Does anyone know if any termas will be open Dec 31st and Jan 1st?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tp273;2407633]I will be having a lay over in Rio starting Dec 30 to Jan 1st & will be by myself. I had visited Rio with my fami ly the week before but didn't have a chance to sneak off to a Terma Then. On the 30th I was planning to Visit Monte Carlo in Copacabana because I was told by some locals that 2-3 million people will be in the Copacabana area for New Years eve & they didn't know if the Termas would even be open then. My Hotel this time is in the Centro Area so I was thinking maybe Cancun or MV30 on Dec 31st & Jan 1st. Does anyone know if any termas will be open Dec 31st and Jan 1st?[/QUOTE]I confirmed with the staff at Monte Carlo that they will be closed on 12/31 and 1/1 and will reopen 1/2. It's safe to assume the other termas will do the same. Other than Mabs, the easiest option would be to go the photoacompanhantes route.

Thanks to all that replied to my inquiry about Termas being open on New Years eve & New Years Day. My plane landed in Rio on the 3 oth so instead of my original plan of just relaxing I checked into my Centro Hotel & after showering & changing clothes I headed out.

After a short 3 min walk I found Terma 502. When I asked what the entry was but the guy at the door didn't speak English. I decided to give it a try so I gave him a thumbs up which seems to be the Rio sign for OK? He handed me a card and I walked up the long narrow stairs. At the top I tried to hand the receptionist the card but she just waved me in. I entered a small dark lounge and sat down to watch the 8-10 Girls there. A few minutes later a blonde with nice Titsl came over and kissed both my cheeks. With my photogray glasses and the dark room I couldn't see her face that well but she had big firm natural Tits with those Brazilian tan lines that I love. She said her name was Cris and she did speak English so I asked how much for a 1/2 HR. She said 1 HR only and it was $250 Reals (I got $420 Reals for $100 US at the Exchange) . In the room Cris started kissing me with DFK and then we undressed. She asked to shower and then she did the same. On the bed more DFK and massaging each other before she did a BBBJ. It was OK but nothing great. I let her suck my Dick for a good 5 min. Before pulling her up to suck on her nipples.

Cris then moved up so I could lick her pussy. I was surprised how soon it took to get her juices flowing. She liked my licking her & whenever I took her clit between my teeth she let out a loud groan and rubbed her pussy harder into my face. After she popped she moved over on her back and pulled me toward her. I thought she wanted to fuck but she spread her legs wide and pulled my head toward her pussy. I figured we had a whole hour and I do love to eat pussy. So why not. I licked & chewed Cris until she popped again then I told her I wanted more BJ to get me ready.

Cris moved down and did a better job of Sucking me than before. While she was sucking me on her hands & knees I reached over and fingered her pussy. Her pussy juice was soon dripping down my hand. When I was hard Cris quickly moved up to sit on my Dick. I thought she was trying to Bareback me but as I looked down I had a condom on. She must of put it in her mouth while she was Sucking me. Cris has a Brazilian booty so there wasn't a lot of movement with her on top. I told her I wanted doggy but she didn't understand so I pulled her over and got behind her. We fucked for a while that way then I flipped her over so I could suck her nipples and DFK while we fucked. After I popped I got up on my knees and Cris removed the condom. Then she leaned in and cleaned me up with a BJ.

We both took another shower and then Cris took my hand and pulled me back into the bed again with her. We did DFK for a while and then she did more BBBJ. At my age I am only a one shot guy so the BJ wasn't really doing anything for me. Cris then moved up and used her hand to rub my Dick against her pussy and when I started to respond some she leaned down to DFK me while rubbing her pussy on my Dick. As nice as it felt it takes me a while to recharge my batteries. Cris finally figured it out and she told me to turn over on my stomach. She then poured some lotion on my back and gave me a nice massage.

After the massage I asked her if she knew if any Termas were open New Years eve or New Years Day. She said 502 will be closed on the 31st but will open on Jan 1st. Then she told me to wait and she left the room. Cris returned and handed me a piece of paper with her phone # on it, telling me to call if I was lonely on New Years eve. She then starting asking about "chips" . I told her I didn't understand (I figured she was trying to say Tip but while she was OK it wasn't worth a tip). I then looked at my watch and told her I was late meeting someone and quickly dressed and walked out of the room. On the way out the Receptionist took the card I was given and asked for $10 Reals ($2. 50 USD) and gave me a receipt. At the bottom of the stairs the guy took the receipt. Over all an OK time but I'm Not calling her.

After my visit to Terma 502 I took the metro from Uruguaiana station to Siqueira Campos station. Then I walked one block on Rue Tonelero to Rua Hilario & down 3 blocks toward the beach to Terma Monte Carlo. It was dark but the streets were full of people & no one bothered me. When I got to MC the receptionist told me it was $120 Reals to enter. She added that if I wanted to see a girl for 40 min. It would $250 Reals plus another $120 for a small room, or $490 Reals total. I said fine and she gave me a locker key and told me to shower on the 2nd floor and then put on the robe that was in the locker & then go to the 3rd floor. After showering I walked up the spiral staircase to the 3rd floor lounge. The lounge was only 20-25 feet wide with long padded benches on both sides and long mirrors above the benches to the ceiling. There were some small tables in front of the benches. I got a beer and sat on the bench near a table. There were about 10 girls standing between the benches shaking to their asses to the Music playing while watching them selves in the mirrors. Most girls wore sexy dresses with some having deep plunging necklines. One shorter blonde had a nice top on but wasn't wearing panties.

As I watched the girls I soon noticed that most of them had some extra junk in the trunk. Facially there was a 9 1/2 there and she had a nice body from the waist up. The lower half of her looked like an Ice Cream cone with two sideways scoops! Then I noticed a tall slender girl across the room but a few minutes later she left the room. I drank my beer and watched the other girls for a while. When I wasn't looking a girl sat next to me and starting kissing my cheek over and over. I turned toward her and saw it was the slender girl. We did the intros and she put her arm around me and continued to kiss my cheek. I rubbed her leg as I looked to see what other girls were around. Jennifer's hugging and kissing soon got the little head's attention. We went off to a room. At the bottom of the stairs she took my locker key and asked me to wait there. There were two other guys waiting also. About 3-4 min. Later Jennifer comes back wearing sexy lingerie & she takes me upstairs to a tiny room with a Twin Bed in it.

On the bed I try kissing Jennifer but after a few good kisses she turns her head away. She starts to massage my Dick but I'm pretty much laying there just starring at her. Finally I tell her to give me a blow job. Jenifer then moves down and gives a BBBJ but with very little suction. She was just bobbing her head up & down with minimal lip contact. After a few minutes she sits up and reaches for a condom. I told her not yet and then I told her to move up so I could lick her pussy, which she did. As I'm licking her pussy Jennifer starts making soft whimpering noises then she leaned forward and put her hands on the wall. Her clit was soon hard like an eraser head. After a few minutes I asked for some 69 and she looked confused. I motioned for her to move her body around, which she did. While I flicked her clit with my tongue Jennifer gave me better BBBJ than she had before.

After a few minutes I pulled her ass up and Jennifer got off me and applied a condom. She then moved over me and sat on my Dick pushing it up into her warn wet snug pussy. I couldn't believe how good her pussy felt. If I hadn't seen her put the condom on me I would have sworn she was bare backing me. Girls on top usually doesn't do anything for me but then Jennifer lifts both her knees up and starts in with Asian cowgirl. After a minute or so of that I was almost ready to pop so I told her I want to do doggy. She looked confused so I said I want to be behind her. As I fucked Jennifer from behind with deep slow strokes she started making small grunting noises and she turned her head to look at me. I was again getting close but I wanted to prolong that feeling longer so I grabbed her hips and pushed my Dick hard into her in a grinding motion. Jennifer then put her head down and grabbed the sheets. When I calmed down some I went at her hard & Fast again for a while before asking her to turn over. As Jennifer turned over she lifted her legs up to her just and she guided my Dick into her pussy. While her legs up I fucked hard & deep until I Popped.

After cleaning me up Jennifer said something about "chips". Like the girl I saw earlier at 502 I told her I didn't understand what she was saying. She repeated "chips" a few more times then she gave up. After another shower I went back to the lounge and had a cheeseburger & beer while I watched the other girls shake their asses. While I was at the bar Jennifer came over to me and kissed me on the cheek again.

I looked at my watch saw it was 10 PM so I changed and paid the $553 Reals ($132 USD) bill (I thought the receptionist said drinks were included for the $120 entry). At the door the doorman said "chips". I just turned to him and said the Girls cleaned me out. After leaving the club I walked a few to Copa 583 but the guy near the elevators told me to leave. When I asked about the Girls he shook his head no & pointed to the way out. I took the Metro back to my Hotel in Centro and grabbed some more cash to check out Club Cancun. When I checked for the address online It said it was soon closing at 12 midnight. I then got the address for MV30 and walked the few blocks there but it was closed. Their website said they were open?? I figured fate was telling me I had enough pussy for the day so I went back to my Hotel.

Since all the Termas were suppose to be closed on this day I went to Copacabana Beach for the day. In the afternoon I did a little shopping on Av. Nossa Senhora on my way to eat. Some guy on the street tried handing me a card but I said no thanks. As I was walking away I realized the card said Spa on it so I went back to the guy and took the card. It said Eden Spa, Av. Nossa Senhora de Copacabana 583 . Room 401 on it. WTF. I just went to this place the night before but the doorman near the elevators told me to leave. The guy on the street told me to follow him and he took me to room 401 and rang the bell. A receptionist told me to wait in a small room. Four different girls came in one at a time. When the receptionist returned I picked Oona, a tall slender girl. I then asked her how much and what was included? She replied $200 Reals ($50 USD) for Massage & Sex. Oona returned and took me to shower, then to a small room with a tiny bed.

In the room Oona undressed and began to rub my Dick before she began a BBBJ. She did a nice BBBJ so I relaxed and let her suck me for quite a while. To her credit she only took a short breather to lick my balls once in a while during the whole time. Not even a hint of any of that Hand job crap. I then told her I wanted to lick her so she moved around for some 69. As I licked her pussy she put her hands by my side and just bobbed her head up & down on my Dick with just the right suction. After a while I asked for the condom and she got on top for a short time. I then told her I wanted to get behind her and she moved into position. The only problem was she was almost 6 ft tall with long legs and it was tricky getting our goods aligned just right. I started fucked her by holding her hips and pulling her onto me. Then Oona starting making loud moaning sounds but they sounded fake. I decided to try something different so instead of going at her from the back I crouched down a bit and came at her from the bottom. Damn if it didn't feel like my Dick went even further into Pussy. Oona made more noises and I just ignored her and concentrated on the feeling of her Pussy on my Dick. The Doggy felt good but I like being on top so I had her turn and I fucked her while pressing my body tightly against hers until I popped.

After the clean up Oona pointed to some massaging lotion on the shelf but I told her I was in a hurry to catch the Metro before the 6 PM deadline as I didn't have the special pass. Since she was an unexpected surprise that made my day and she didn't ask for a "Chip" , I reached into my wallet and gave her $50 Reals ($12 USD). After leaving I feasted on tasty Brazilian Steak and a cold refreshing Beer before catching the Metro back to my Hotel in Centro. This turned out to be a very nice way to end the old year for me.

[QUOTE=Tp273;2408390]Since she was an unexpected surprise that made my day and she didn't ask for a "Chip" , I reached into my wallet and gave her $50 Reals ($12 USD). After leaving I feasted on tasty Brazilian Steak and a cold refreshing Beer before catching the Metro back to my Hotel in Centro. This turned out to be a very nice way to end the old year for me.[/QUOTE]Please don't do this anymore! There is a reason why the girls were asking you for a "CHIP", its because we gringos brought that stupid tipping custom to Brazil. You will never see the girls / staff asking Brazilian men for a tip!! "When in Brazil. " If you want o give a tip, return to the establishment and take her again or have her go to your hotel. Don't give tips for the good service that they are supposed to provide anyway.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2408653]Please don't do this anymore! There is a reason why the girls were asking you for a "CHIP", its because we gringos brought that stupid tipping custom to Brazil. You will never see the girls / staff asking Brazilian men for a tip!! "When in Brazil. " If you want o give a tip, return to the establishment and take her again or have her go to your hotel. Don't give tips for the good service that they are supposed to provide anyway.[/QUOTE]I remembered your previous posts about tipping and I didn't give tips to the other girls but I gave Oona a tip for pretty much being available on a day I had given up on. Call it Holiday pay if you will!

I went back to Terma 502 on New Years day at 3 PM but it was closed. One of the girls had told me it would be open on New Years day when I visited there on the 31st. I had a plane to catch at 6 PM so I didn't have time to take the Metro to see if Copa 583 was open like they were on New Years eve.

[QUOTE=Tp273;2408927]I remembered your previous posts about tipping and I didn't give tips to the other girls but I gave Oona a tip for pretty much being available on a day I had given up on. Call it Holiday pay if you will![/QUOTE]You don't have to explain yourself about your actions, it's a good thing you tip as it helps the ones who don't. Let me just say I never tip the girls at all if I do it's very rare. But tipping is supposed to encourage better service that's why we do it here in the USA, a waiter works on tips if he gives lousy service he makes no money simple as that. If these girls think they will get a tip from the gringo then they might go the extra mile, an extra lick here and a better hump there. So if you give an illusion that you're a tipper it might work in your favor. Now when the session is over, smile at them and thank them for it was the best sex you ever had from such a beautiful girl plus let me give you a tip don't play the horses! When you pay your bill smile at the receptionist and say thank you as well as the doorman. Plus who the hell is tipping these doormen anyway? They must have personal issues.

Same goes for freelancers, when I'm with a freelancer I try to talk her up how hot she is and sexy and wow I think me and you can go places together, trips, shopping spree etc. For the most part I would never do this but it gives them an incentive after all it's all about the money anyway isn't it. And sometimes I see them doing this to me even without me saying anything, setting me up for the long score not just the reals I'm paying them now for their service. Sometimes it takes these girls months to catch on with all the unanswered texts and stalling you give them after you're gone.

15 years ago when the dollar was 4/1, I remember telling guys not to give tips for sex or not to give tips for pictures, etc. Their response? "I didn't travel 2000 miles and pay for my hotel and session just to be cheap. Its only an extra 10 bucks, its only 40 R. She earned it". When the exchange rate dropped down to 1. 5 these same geniuses were bitching and complaining that EVERYONE at 4 X4 was asking for tips!! The girls, the woman who books the room, the woman who cleans the room, the girls handling your bill, the security when you go to leave!" I would just look at them and ask "Where do you think they learned to ask gringos for tips?


Back in 2004/2005, a group of my friends wanted to have an orgy in my buddy's penthouse. We ordered a shitload of girls from Karla Models, it was like 5 dudes and maybe 10-12 girls. One of the guys was newbie that someone picked up at Meia Pataca. Once the alcohol and music started flowing we started choosing up who we wanted to fuck first. The newbie took two girls out onto the balcony, but 2 minutes later the girls came into the living room and asked me to translate for them. The newbie had offered them an extra 100R a piece if he could film them taking turns sucking his dick on the balcony overlooking Copa beach. I immediately grabbed my friend who had adopted this motherfucker and told him that he had to leave!! We gave him his money back and told him that he had to get the fuck out because he was going to fuck it up for everyone. (Once the other girls found out that 2 of them received an extra 100R, they all would have requested the tip from the stupid Americans!). The newbie was mad as hell and started to cause a scene until we threatened to whoop his ass and throw him off the balcony. (One of the cooler heads gave him the number to Karla Models told him that he could call the girls over to his apartment the next day, so he calmed down and left).

When in Brazil do as the brazilians! Don't be THAT guy who fucks it up for fellow mongers.

Anyone heard from 4 x 4?

I read a post they will open in January.

Chreche dos Maridos has opened a new sala in Copa area, called Sala VIP.

Rua Djalma Ulrich 163 Sala 701 Copacabana.

6 girls, all new apparently.

Chreche dos Maridos ?Correct Name
Rua Djalma Ulrich 163, Sala 701, Copacabana. Name ? 6 Garotes? Prices: ___.? Tel: ___? Hours: ___?.

But, fill in the rest of the info. I came up with something else. At Av Rio Branco 185 sala 1722.
Which may be on the Map?
If not tell us What You found?

[URL]https://br.skokka.com/acompanhantes/rio-de-janeiro/creche-dos-maridos-apartir-shsn274135101/[/URL]



I put in on the Map?.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&mid=1ojY266Fe5FV1Agvijro65Bt9xIz2TMwH&ll=-22.978767035477414%2C-43.191535419302454&z=19[/URL]

[QUOTE=SAS40;2409417]Chreche dos Maridos has opened a new sola in Copa area, called Sala VIP.

Rua Djalma Ulrich 163 Sala 701 Copacabana.

6 girls, all new apparently.[/QUOTE]

Feliz ano novo!

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/p/B6uQtnkFlbs/?utm_source=ig_web_button_native_share[/URL]

I changed the info a little.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2409537][b]Sala VIP[/b]
Rua Djalma Ulrich 163, Sala 701, Copacabana. 6 Garotas. Prices: ___.? Tel: ___? Hours: ___?.

If not tell us What You found?

I put in on the Map?.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&mid=1ojY266Fe5FV1Agvijro65Bt9xIz2TMwH&ll=-22.978767035477414%2C-43.191535419302454&z=19[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2409537]Chreche dos Maridos ?Correct Name
Rua Djalma Ulrich 163, Sala 701, Copacabana. Name ? 6 Garotes? Prices: ___.? Tel: ___? Hours: ___?.

But, fill in the rest of the info. I came up with something else. At Av Rio Branco 185 sala 1722.
Which may be on the Map?
If not tell us What You found?

[URL]https://br.skokka.com/acompanhantes/rio-de-janeiro/creche-dos-maridos-apartir-shsn274135101/[/URL]



I put in on the Map?.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&mid=1ojY266Fe5FV1Agvijro65Bt9xIz2TMwH&ll=-22.978767035477414%2C-43.191535419302454&z=19[/URL][/QUOTE]Haven't been myself,but; Mon-Fri 10-20 Sat 10-18.

30 min /200.

40 min /220.

1 HR /270.

Tel:39235951.

Heard around carnival.

[QUOTE=EnjoyLife63;2409268]Anyone heard from 4 x 4?

I read a post they will open in January.[/QUOTE]

Non P4P / GDP scene in Copa.

I used to be a member on here posting on Thailand some years ago (well I think it was on here or WSG but WSG doesn't seem to exist anymore- out of curiosity- anyone know why it closed down) but have lost access to that email account and can't remember my username or Password as its been about 6 or 7 years.

Anyway, after close to 13 years I am finally heading back to Rio in March (it's been far too long).

Essentially what I am asking is how much has this area changed since 2007. I wasn't sure whether to post this here or on the accommodation thread or the non pro thread as it kind of covers all three.

When I went before I was travelling with other proud sex tourists (one man and one woman- its an interesting story I plan on posting in the next week or so with something of a summary of my first rio trip before I post a new report in a few month's time).

This time around I will be travelling with a group of lads (all late 20's early 30's all in shape, some game-aprt from myself LOL). I know a lot of guys don't like to admit these things (ego etc) but I know there will be at least a few (if not the majority) who won't want to pay and will want to hunt for regular Brasileira's.

Whilst Copa suits me just fine (I would probably prefer it), If Copa is still like it was back in 2007 then I do not know how many regular girls they are going to find in Copa. If know the Rio Government tried to tidy up Copa with the Olympics and World Cup (They closed Help which I only got to experience once, man that place is forever embedded in my memory). Have things reverted since the world's eyes left RIo? What do you people think about the chances of finding Non GDP action in Copa these days. . If you think the chances of this are low, are there any specific area's you would say were better in that regard to base ourselves in Ipanema, Lapa or Centro perhaps.

I am working my way through this entire thread back from 2009 (I am trying to do about 25 pages a day. It is quite interesting actually reading about people who were convinced Help wouldn't close etc)) so I will likely find this information in due course but in terms of booking accommodation and where to base ourselves we probably need to get that sorted quite soon so any information people can offer on this would be greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=Notsoyoung;2410588]Non P4P / GDP scene in Copa.



Whilst Copa suits me just fine (I would probably prefer it), If Copa is still like it was back in 2007 then I do not know how many regular girls they are going to find in Copa. If know the Rio Government tried to tidy up Copa with the Olympics and World Cup (They closed Help which I only got to experience once, man that place is forever embedded in my memory). Have things reverted since the world's eyes left RIo? What do you people think about the chances of finding Non GDP action in Copa these days. . If you think the chances of this are low, are there any specific area's you would say were better in that regard to base ourselves in Ipanema, Lapa or Centro perhaps.
.[/QUOTE]I really hope you are not spamming the board with some bullshit and are seriously asking about Non P4 P. There are plenty of regular girls all over Copa in the restaurants and clubs! Your 20 year old friends should have no problem finding women in barra tijuica, Lapa, Ipanema. Every where you turn there are regular women.

I hope you return with a trip report with your findings.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2410779]I really hope you are not spamming the board with some bullshit and are seriously asking about Non P4 P. There are plenty of regular girls all over Copa in the restaurants and clubs! Your 20 year old friends should have no problem finding women in barra tijuica, Lapa, Ipanema. Every where you turn there are regular women.

I hope you return with a trip report with your findings.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply.

Definitely not spam, trust me. My memory is just a little Hazy because it's been nearly 13 years and it was a heavy trip in terms of drinking (I my defense was only 19 at the time) but every hot girl I ran into in Copa bars clubs the beach etc (well apart from 1 girl) was clearly working. Since then I always just associated Copa as a place like Pattaya where all the girls there are working.

Any particular clubs in the Copa area you can recommend for Non P4P?

[QUOTE=Bravo;2410779]I really hope you are not spamming the board with some bullshit and are seriously asking about Non P4 P. There are plenty of regular girls all over Copa in the restaurants and clubs! Your 20 year old friends should have no problem finding women in barra tijuica, Lapa, Ipanema. Every where you turn there are regular women.[/QUOTE]Pretty much everywhere in the world that there are people, there are regular women. I would think the hookers are the ones that have to be sought out. He must be new to the planet. I hope his friends speak Portuguese. If there was any particular place to go for foreigners to pick up "easy" free chicks then everyone would go there. Unfortunately that country or place does not exist. They should probably start their hunting early online or risk going all the way to Brazil and heading back home with a dry dick if they have something against paying hookers.