Monterrey

I am wondering whether I am reaching the wrong conclusions about the sociological attitudes of these girls in Mexico, that perhaps I am misinterpreting their behaviors by projecting my Gringo sociological experiences onto their displays of behavior. I would appreciate knowing from some of the locals (Carlos, and others on the board, etc...) if I am off base. The subject matter is interesting to me. Your opinions are welcome.

I know the "look what I found" line sounds kinda' conceited on my part. Perhaps it's just my imagination, but it really does seem that some of them are proud to be seen with me when we are in public, and that they do certain things that appear to me that they are making a public display of possession. If I am misconstruing this, then I suppose I am just dilusional. But, I really don't think so. Perhaps it's just that Mexican girls are taught to be more amorosa than American girls. Whatever it is, I really love it.

Generally, "G" is a very proper acting and conservative in public, aware of the taboos, all the proper etiquette, etc...She conducts herself with really great manners and is very cordual and polite with all people she comes in contact with.

But, she will sometimes just lose it completely, especially in a dark movie theatre for example. Many times she will look around to see if there other people watching us before she leans over to kiss me. She is aware that it's not proper, especially in Mexico, to show that kind of affection in public.

For a bar girl, I think she has been taught her manners quite well, and conducts herself with a lot of class and decorum when in public. But, sometimes, it's as though she wants to feel "in love," and that the public displays are a contented state of mind for her, like it comforts her inside to be in love, and to be feeling like she is in love. But, more over, it seems that she is proud to be seen with me, that I am somehow a testimonial trouphy, something to be proud of and displayed.

Frankly, my guess is that for a lower class bar girl, one of ethnic Mexican decent, perhaps with some Mexican Indian ancestory as well, a public display of having found and landed a Gringo, romantically, is somehow a boost to her social position. Don't misunderstand, I believe her affectionate displays are honest ones, but I also think there is something more going on.

I could be totally and complete off base, but I am trying to figure out the dynamic that's in play here. It seems that perhaps the public displays are her way of defining the fact that she has a Gringo chasing after her, that it is a feather in her cap sociologically.

Perhaps she sees it as busting through the glass ceiling with respect to her own class limitations, and it nourishes her own ego. I doubt if she consciously concludes any of this on a cognizable level. I think that most of her displays are emotional, more like psychological knee jerk reactions to her own emotional attractions, bolstered by the internal subconscious belief that she has indeed broken through to the next level in the sociological pecking order.

This kind of thing has happened to me with more than one girl. It has happened with Cindy #1, Abigail, Violeta, and several more under circumstances where we were out in public.

I remember with Abigail from El Cielo, a really HOT nympho that I've since lost track of after she left El Cielo. Whenever we would go to a restaurant, I would start to sit down across the table from her, instead of next to her. I actually did that more out of a force of habit, like I was at home or something, hahaha. Plus, if I did it consciously, I always just assumed that girls did not want to be embarrassed by public displays of affection, like sitting next to one another, indicating a romantic kind of liason. I just always thought they would prefer that we appear to just be having dinner, and that we are not an older guy and a 20 year old girl together on a date.

But, Abigail would aways tell me to come over to sit next to her, telling me in a way that made her seem kind of irritated that I was not playing the part of her date. She always took my hand when we were walking together, she would always clutch my arm when we are together, etc...I always assumed these girls would be embarrassed by their being seen with an older man...but, that was just the opposite.

WATCH IT!!! I AM NOT OLD...just older, but younger at heart, hahahaha!!!

I always assumed that they would prefer that we look like we are just friends or co-workers or something when were were seen in public. But, there is some other kind of dynamic going on sometimes. Of course, I also always assumed that they did not want to appear to be hookers. I am always aware of their feelings and how it may appear to others.

Carlos has always warned me about how it looks to the general public, and when I try to be very discrete, the girls pull out all the stops, acting almost irritated that I am not playing my part as their boyfriend. Perhaps by initiating these kinds of public displays, it makes them appear to be legitimately dating an older man, which is not an uncommon phenomenon in Mexico. Perhaps by initiating the public displays, it helps to stop assumptions in public that they are hookers...I don't know...I don't really get it.

With respect to "G's" comments about her own body, I think they sometimes see themselves through a different prism than we do. I sincerely believe that she was telling me her inner feelings about herself when she covered that ground. As for her "arse," it is perfect. But, I truly think that she does not like it. I don't think she was fishing for compliments. She really isn't like that with me, and besides, I am constantly slobbering over her, telling her she is perfect for me in every way. She honestly believes herself not to be popular in the clubs with most of the men. I have told her many times that she is a diva, and that her beauty is only surpassed by her sweet personality and big heart.

On the other hand, I can also recall that Angry Girl did not want to be seen with me anywhere in public. She was always afraid that she would be seen by someone she knows. One-time, as we were standing together outside the hotel, she quickly ducked out of site because she said that her cousin had seen us together standing outside the hotel. She acted like we were total and complete strangers until her cousin passed by.

Then, we ducked into the hotel together. I asked her later if her cousin had seen us together, and she replied that she had, but that her cousin did not ask her any questions. There were times that I wanted to take her to Chilis or Applebee's, or one of the better Gringo restaurants, but she would only go to the "hole in the wall" places, where I know she thought she would not be seen with me by anyone she knows.

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]USb, you're funny. 'Look what I found' is MY line. When I leave the table and return with a girl, I always say 'Look what I found.'

Now to be frank, I can not believe you and G make out in public. There's no "look what I found" in this. It should be you who says that, not her. But still, I can't imagine you and her making out .... and in public? I mean, come on man, have some decency :-)

I am fully aware of the girls' desire to get bigger boobs. Even S wants to get fake boobs. Can you believe that? She has the most beautiful full natural boobs in the club and she says she wants bigger boobs. That idiot. She has a perfect body and she want fake boobs.

Even X. She wants bigger boobs. She is firm and size-wise perfect. If she gets bigger boobs, she'll probably fall flat on her face when she walks. The kids is so small.

Now when it comes to G's buns, she has the greatest arse in MTY. So soft, firm and cold to the touch. It is shocking that she does not like her arse. But I think it's her way of making you say what a nice arse she's got. You obviously don't complement her arse enough. get it? Sheesh, you have much to learn my friend.

Hey, let them take the white ones and leave us the morenas. Notice all the girls I hang out with are morenas? I have no attraction whatsoever to the white girls. I like them Pittsburg-style. Charred on the outside, red/pink on the inside.

Wasted[/QUOTE]

When I was seeing Cindy #1, she was in a stage of life that made her long for a baby. She had not had a baby up to that point, and I believe that she had all but given up on finding love within a normal male/female relationship. I believe that she had an emptiness inside that made her conclude that by having a baby she could fill that void.

She had already had a number of failed relationships, and I think she just concluded that she would always have bad luck with men. A baby was her way of "manufacturing" unconditional love. There are many, many, strippers in Monterrey that identify with her same conclusions, and it seems that when they reach a certain age, maybe 23-26, they begin to believe they will never find true love with a man. Once they reach that conclusion, they all seem to naturally start looking for a sperm doner. That is one reason you will find so many single mothers in Monterrey.

For many of them, it's just a failed legitimate relationship gone bad, but for just as many of them, it's a calculated strategy to establish, in their sons and daughters, companionship and unconditional love for the rest of their lives in lieu of their realization that a conventional heterosexual relationship has no future potential for success in their individual cases.

Cindy #1 was the HOTTEST girl in Monterrey. I was visiting almost all the clubs at that time, and I honestly think she had the most unbelievably sensuous body, probably the best body of any girl in Monterry, and she was also one of the tighest girls I have ever know in my life.

At that time, I was foolishly barebacking her. I know it was stupid, but she was the hottest girl I had ever seen in my life. Death or disease, at the time, foolishly seemed a small price to pay in the heat of the moment :-)

I remember that she would roll back on her butt and push in all the way deep. I was so far into her that it was almost coming out of her mouth, hahaha, not literally of course, but it seemed like it. I recall that she milked me for every drop. I believe she wanted my baby.

Later, after she started to see another guy, she described him to me. She said he was of European decent, white skin, etc...That guy eventually fathered their son. They are no longer together...no surprise, but she tells me that he visits his son regularly, and that he is always attempting to get back in her pants. I don't blame him, although she has gained a lot of weight and is no longer really desireable physically in comparison to most other options in Monterrey.

She still has the ability, a personality that can be quite charming, but having a baby can really take it's toll. Her body is still relatively decent, but nothing like it was back then. I can honestly still say that, back in the day, she is the hottest girl I have ever had.

Oh, one more thing...she never believed that I had a visectomy, even when I would tell her that there was no possibility that we were going to have a baby together. I guess she thought I was just lying to her in order to screw her bareback. But, fortunately for me, I have been sterile now for at least 20 years, hardy har har har...Thank God, or there might have actually been a little USB running around MTY.






[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]This a subject that has more or less been mentioned here, but it is quite relevant.
I know guys reading this might think that Iam pointing a finger to them, but many mongers coming to Monterrey have this weird and wrong idea that Monterrey is like SEA, full of pristine pussy ready to be BB, which is stupid for starters.
Some girls will get attached to repeat visitors, very seriously attached, like so that they will start letting themsleves be BBed by the monger.
Why? not because they love the feeling of an unprotected penis inside of them... they do it cause they want to get pregnant.
I haven't mentioned this, but 2 girls in the last 6 months have come up and been frank about their desire.
In my 25 years of going to the clubs... many more.
Ponder this next time a girl will let you do it BB with you........[/QUOTE]

Sure, nothing has changed there in five years, and nobody else posts much of anything with respect to their experiences when they visit Monterrey. Those of us that are there regularly have said it ALL, and then some, probably a thousand times over already. But we stand ready to be of service to "Inquiring Minds."

Which are the girlfriendly hotels?, Where are the girls?, How much do they cost?, and on and on...(duh?)

Sooooooo, just let us know what you are wondering about, and you will get answers in spades.

If you're looking for cum soaked descriptions of our exploits however, we leave all that to the porn sites.

Most of what we are writing about has more esoteric value to the truly enlightened, and there is certainly more blather on here than some other sections of the board, but if you read closely you can gleen a significant insite into the Monterrey scene, one that is usually only obvious to those of us that visit regularly, or live there. Plus, you will be immediately answered by the best, most accomodating, friendliest team of respondents available on the board.

Besides, aren't the comments from us regulars, with lifetimes and years of experience in that scene, worth something, all be they sometimes admitedly cryptic in nature?

There is significantly more relevence to understanding that scene than you might initially appreciate, and our comments here are of value to anyone that has a desire to actually understand it, and is willing to read between the lines.

The cold reality is, were you to visit this section on the board without the range of comments you are reading, or were we to stop posting our blather here, there would literally be almost nothing on these pages, nothing at all, nothing of value, nothing esoteric, NOTHING!!! Verdad??? There is literally that little participation from ISG board members that visit Monterrey.

Nothing is stopping anyone from posting. I for one, have tired fingers, but a prolific mind :-) We regulars endeavor to keep this section active, if not with new reports, then commentary that relates to our exploits, whether you as a newcomer understand them or not. The alternative is relatively blank pages. I hope that helps you to understand why you are reading our drivel, and not a wealth of new, dynamic, titilating information.


[QUOTE=Ghostbuster69]Ummm, guys? Are there still women in Monterrey?[/QUOTE]

Ghostbuster.... of course there are women.
Many and plenty for all tastes and clubs for wallet sizes.
Planning to come down here????


[QUOTE=Ghostbuster69]Ummm, guys? Are there still women in Monterrey?[/QUOTE]

Now, Carlos...

You know there are NO woman in Monterrey. We are onto your little game. Quite trying to lure them down there.

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]Ghostbuster.... of course there are women.
Many and plenty for all tastes and clubs for wallet sizes.
Planning to come down here????[/QUOTE]

Carlos, you pervert. I was reviewing old MTY posts and look what I found. You pervert, you always LOVED big asses.

[url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=533919&postcount=971[/url]

Wasted

On 11-25-06
[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]Strike, all clubs here offer FS.
Of course the 5 star clubs will cost you around 3000 pesos for that down to the moderate priced ones, which will be in the range of 550-1200 pesos.
If you go to the recomended Obsession, Poisson and Metropolis (aka Premiere) you will become poor in less than 30 minutes. Poisson around 1 hour, but never the less, you'll end with an empty wallet.
Matehuala was a great club. It is not living it's former glories, BUT the brother club Infinito is a great place to visit with incredible looking girls, many that will go on a "salida" with you for 120 dlls, including bar fine.
Strike says: "I like girls with big tits and big asses".
Guys (WastedG and Unspongebob that know me well)... is this my kind of future friend???
Don't worry, you'll find plenty of this here.
Budget: 140 dlls will buy you a lot here. Just consider a little more for extras... make it 200 dlls. I spend less than 50 dlls with the club girls (no FS in this example) and get a lot.
Ask your questions Strike.
Me and the guys will gladly answer them.[/QUOTE]

Caught with my hands in the ass... the girls big ass, that is.


[QUOTE=Wastedgman]Carlos, you pervert. I was reviewing old MTY posts and look what I found. You pervert, you always LOVED big asses.

[url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=533919&postcount=971[/url]

Wasted

On 11-25-06[/QUOTE]

Ghostbuster, in my post (#1406) I did offer help.
As you say, please be specific in you questions...
No one coming to Monterrey has left town dissapointed.
NO ONE.
So, if you have an inquery, this is the time.
Post your questions.



[QUOTE=Ghostbuster69]Yeah but who wants to wade into all this blather to find an occasional pearl of wisdom? Not to be a rude boy but I don't care about what you like or dislike about history or sociology or even the types of women you like. Having sparse but direct posts about specifics would makeit easier for 99% of us to find what we're lookn for. I just want to fuck hookers. These comments and long ass posts don't contriibute anything to the general well being of this section. Remember the ISG is 4 information about fucking *****s and if what you say doesn't contribute to that end then it doesnt belong here. These stupid novels being written here are just a waste of bandiwth and I'm surprised Jackson hasn't just deleted them for being the waste of space that they are. I'm sure there are other sections on ISG where you can talk about philosophy and why you love some hooker. Or better yet just go on MSN messanger and you can talkabout "p" and The "X" at the "I" to your heart's content.[/QUOTE]

Carlos,

I thank you for your maps and info. But Ghostbuster, Nibs and many others are bothered by the same thing that I am.

Why are you guys talking in code? "The M girl at the "I" place said that the Y girl at the "M" place was at the "H" place . . . blah, blah, blah" . That is of NO use to ANYONE but your group of 3. This is what private messages are for. Same thing with " I will be there next week and . . . blah, blah". If you have a little club and want to hook up, just PM each other or send E-mails. None of this is of any help or interest to the rest of us.

Also, if you want others to post their info, you need to be respectful of what others post. If someone posts about a MP, you immediately reply that it is a waste of time, despite not having visited the place yourself. We ALL have our favorites and our own ideas as to what is good. But I would have more respect if you guys posted . . . "Went to Signore last night per your recommendation. Hooked up with Theresa for 250 pesos. Was not impressed because . . . and didn't like the room because . . ." etc. Our tastes may vary, but if you Dog my info without having visited or met the girl, you are just negating what I posted. Not cool . . .

What would be useful? How about . . . " Went to Harem last night and met my favorita, Maria. She is a tall, 22yo morena with a a big top. Very sweet girl. Nice CBJ and FS. Asks for 350 pesos but will accept 250p in the privado. Will do a salida for 900p. Treat her right." Why consider them as your personal property? Do you think that these girls are not fucking someone else 5-10 times a night? Isn't the whole idea of the ISG to help others find these girls? So many of these posts are about "your girl" or "my girl". That is the opposite of what this forum is all about. It should be about sharing info, names, locations, prices etc. A certain amount of "I am in love . . ." is to be expected and can lend a bit of humanity to these descriptions. But page after page of this stuff gets old very quickly, and speaking in code only makes things worse. And in the end, 50yo-something guys talking about cheating on their wives with teenaged Mexican hookers and being in love is best left for Jerry Springer (. . . or Carmen Salinas in Mexico!)

I don't want to be rude. I DO appreciate the info. It's just that there is SO little info lately. I'm sure you are all great guys. I have made 4 visits to Monterrey and have enjoyed myself immensely. But I have posted here very little because I am not in your club and do not share your experiences and preferences. Monterey IS a great destination. IMO the BEST in all of Mexico. But different strokes for different folks and we need to be far more inclusive if we want this forum to be of real value.

Peace out . . . -P

Hey Ghostbuster,
Some words of advice, until you post some information of value yourself, you should refrain from criticizing others if you want to eventually become a valued member of the community (MTY or ISG in general).

Don't paint yourself as one of those newbies who rudely ask for information without contributing anything in return.

Lastly, RTFF if you need info, if you don't like reading someone's report keep scrolling and don't assume that the info provided here by Senior members is for your sole benefit.

Prokofiev, I respect your contributions and I agree the MTY thread is certainly different than others. Each thread seems to have it's own tone. The FKK threads are very detailed and graphic, the Colombia threads are overly argumentative, and MTY is certainly more metaphysical and cryptic.

But there are reasons for this, for example, the girls can get in trouble with their clubs for doing extracurricular activities. One girl was fined 1000p for seeing me on the side when someone ratted on her. Thus the guys here are not only protecting themselves but, to some degree, the girls.

And you can't really say this thread and its members are not providing valuable info to earnest compatriots. When people are polite and need info, as you yourself have seen, the members here (usually Carlos) will provide a wealth of information and hospitality usually in private or in person. It pisses me off to see people abuse Carlos' hospitality with rude behavior.

RtW

I agree that much of what we post is esoteric and cryptic, and that we should all try to limit that. I agree that things are probably getting out of hand with respect to our own personal exploits, our blather, our cryptic, esoteric messages to one another. I agree that for lack of a chat section, our posts are making it difficult to quickly find pertinent information. I am the worst offender.

But, those exploits are not meant to be public boastings, as suggested by some that are less than congenial in their opinions. But, they are usually meant as responses to comments made by vets that know our personal circumstances, and have made prior comments about those circumstances in their postings.

In those instances, I believe that we are, myself included, utilizing the board as a private message vehicle. But, I must also point out that not all the posted blather is worthless meaningless drivel, not if the reader is sharp. Frankly, there are too many lazy lurkers, too many bitching wanna be's, and too few legitimate contributors here. Some of what is posted within the blather is meaningful and useful strategically. But, it takes an especially discerning reader to process it as such.

The girls that work in the clubs are, for the most part, entertainers. That is how they see themselves. I know it's hard to believe, but most of them do see themselves as pros. Most of them do not do that many salidas, and most of their services are performed on-site.

In that respect, I supposed you could categorize them as pros. But, they are not in the same category as what many mongers envision as pros. That is, they do not necessarily prostitute themselves with just anybody that comes to town. They will do so in the clubs, but they are compelled to do that in order to hold onto their jobs. And, even then, many girls will not do anything in the privados other than lap dances. Many girls will not do salidas either.

Many girls that claim not to do salidas, and do not do them as a general policy, will eventually agree to leave the clubs to provide you their services, but only after they know you pretty well. If you learn the ropes in Monterrey, you can achieve worldclass mongering from some of these girls, GFE kinds of performance that rivals what you can get in Thailand, the PI, Colombia, etc...

But, it requires a different approach to achieve the same level of performance as these notorious venues. Some of the girls are just not typical pros. I stipulate this because some of the girls we see are not in the same category as the typical TJ, or border town pro. It requires an understanding of the Monterrey scene to fully appreciate the potential. The things we comment on here can enable the reader to navigate the scene, and achieve the best level of experience...if they will only read and listen.

We vets of MTY that are so prolific with our drivel, are much closer to these "pros" than can sometimes be imagined, and our cryptic messages are meant to protect us individually from fallout that might result from the indiscriminate stupidty of many a monger. Most of the occassional visitors to MTY are one hit wonders who blow into town, do their damage, sometimes never to return, or returning very infrequently. Their approach is amateurrish at best, IMHO.

It's been suggested that we provide recommendations on which specific girls to see, etc...I will not do that. I have been burned more times than I care to remember by providing direct information on boards about certain girls. To answer the question why we are so cryptic in our descriptions of the girls, there is always some goof-ball that will divulge specifically where they got the information, and it usually traces directly back to us individually. Plus, the girls we vets see are not in the massage parlors, and their jobs can be easily jeapardized in the clubs by our divulging their extra curricular activities.

Those of us that frequent MTY have our own network of girls established, usually girls that provide their services to us with a meaningful expectation of superior repeat performances, usually at a significantly reduced cost, or free of charge, not to mention significantly increased time spans compared to what is customarily offered, and with a level of GFE sincerity that surpasses anything you will likely experience from any typical pro, certainly superior than anything you could imagine from a typical Mexican bar girl in TJ and the border towns. These are also all the same reasons I NEVER post photos.

I don't say all of this to brag or boast as was previously suggested, but to illustrate to the reader the potential that awaits you also. If only the worst offenders will only listen and stop bitching. If only the impatient would learn from the comments of the veterans that work that venue regurlarly, they would potentially profit from the knowledge. What is primarily commented on here are trip reports, all be they sometimes presented in cryptic form, or with some degree of discretion. But, the gyst of their meaning, and the information contained in many of the comments can be interpreted to understand the Monterrey scene more completely.

Bottom line...we are not pimps for the lazy lurkers that want the information delivered to them on a silver plater, most of which we gladly do anyway when asked directly.

One limitation on ISG is that we do not have a chat board where we can post the kind of drivel that clogs the reports section. Jackson has instituted a survey for suggestions, and I am immediately going to submit that suggestion, a chat board, through the survey that's solicited on the home page, along with a suggestion that the number of characters permitted by the PM feature be increased.

But, even with a chat board, I recall seeing on other boards that have a chat board feature, the same bitching goes on from some board members who are "wound a little too tight," and who are apparently "literarily challenged" as well. Some are never satisfied, even if they have both a chat board for drivel, and a reports section for pertinent detailed information. Different strokes for different folks, or maybe it's just plain contensciousness from some shit disturbers. I sometimes think it's the later.

The other suggestion made her is that the PM function should be used to make all of our cryptic commentary to one another. But, the PM section is severly limited in the amount of characters one can enter. I sometimes find this to be very frustrating when I am responding to private message questions that come to me from newbies.

As you are all aware, I have a difficult time being brief with my comments, and you might just imagine my difficulties with being concise and brief with respect to replies made to members that have inquired of me to comment about Monterrey through the private message system.

Generally, my response to members like "Ghostbuster" would be that he is free to skip over my drivel if it offends him so much. But, in this instance, because he is correct that our drivel makes finding information more difficult specifically due to the limitations on ISG, I have to agree with the substance of his position.

I can understand his frustration, but I fail to understand his psychological need to act in such a crass manner in articulating it. I am not so unreasonable that I would discount a well presented and intellegent position, such as what was articulated by MJ. Obviously, if our members conduct themselves with some decorum, rather than being of a confrontational spirit, the board is going to be much better off. Obviously, Ghostbuster is a veteran of the board, one that we probably all know.

I will attempt to limit my blather in an effort to be a "good citizen" of the board. But, if we all agree to do that, I suspect the board will be very, very, quiet indeed. I for one, will probably lose interst in checking it. It will be up to the rest of you to populate these pages with all this meaningful information that is apparently lacking then.

[QUOTE=Mill Just]With all due respect as someone who has been guilty of waxing poetic a few times too often--This Monterrey area has become a total mess and has succeeded in driving people away from posting real reports. This thing reads like Charlie Brown's teacher speaks "wahhh wahhh wahhh wahhh wahhhh." Not that USB's insights or Wasted's sexcapades aren't interesting, but this board is for specifics that would direct us towards good chicas at a good price, something that I at least try to do in the Morelia section (hence being a senior member with extensive experience and less than 200 posts.) I will only post things that are of interest to the general reader thinking of coming to Morelia. I usually refrain from giving specifics like phone numbers to people I don't know, but all else is fair game. There is no purpose for me to post when I don't have any info to share (or no info that I wish to share.)

What has bothered me for a while is the whole "My girl" attitude that Proko mentioned. If you don't wish to direct us towards a specific chica, then what the hell is the purpose in mentioning her, whether in code or not? To prove that you get laid in a bar full of prostitutes? I don't get it. This is what the PM feature is for- to share info not intended for the general public to see, to arrange meetings with other members and to share tidbits of your personal interactions with the chicas.

I haven't learned anything from reading this Monterrey area of the ISG that would make me have an easier time in Monterrey. Nothing. USB was the only person to help me out in a PM when I just didn't feel like dealing with all the verbage from reading these long, meaningless posts that fester here. I am a veteran in Mexico and I lost interest in visiting Monterrey. I can just imagine a newbie coming in and leaving disgusted after reading 20 pages of nothing useful.

And with all due respect, RTW, we shouldn't have to scroll through pages of filler just to find something even resembling a trip report. Many of us download this info provided or print it out to take with us on a mongering trip. I will not bother going through 1,500 posts just to find the one that actually contains useful information. I shouldn't have to. And, as a responsible member, I wouldn't want others to have to either. Also, I don't buy the "protecting the women" thing. Most of what has been mentioned using the silly codes, takes place in the bar and on a salida and wouldn't hurt them. And even if it would, I think most of us here are trustworthy enough to get a very general chica name and description without trying to stalk them. Other specifics like phone numbers can be given to trusted members through the PM system. Why all the codes? The whole purpose of this board is to exchange INFORMATION that would benefit fellow members and using the codes cuts off all but 3 or 4 people here and adds nothing to the Monterrey section of the ISG. These are not your girlfriends, they are sex workers being written about in a message bord dedicated to sharing information about sex workers.

Awhile back, I was upset when Jackson initiated the no cross-talk rule. I must admit, though, that I was wrong and this Monterrey area is a testament to what can happen when pen pals get control of what used to be a public forum. I will visit Monterrey and I will post the info I get, but I will be starting practically from zero because, other than the fact that someobody went to a gay bar with a chica and that Carlos likes ugly girls with big asses, I learned almost nothing here.[/QUOTE]

Prokofiev
Ghostbuster has only 2 post. Period. And even with those 2 posts I know he's a lurker by the way he writes. He came into the Thread wielding the sword as if he knew every aspect of the place.
Wasted, RTH and Me have fully made clear via posts that we only go to a certain number of places, not MPs (which I fully dislike), so. I guess it is impossible to write reviews of places I don't go to.
Pro, when ever you ask, I answer honestly and fully, to you and to anyone that wants to come to Monterrey (I can't say mine cause you guys are going to say I own it).
Or am I wrong?
And this discusion is not new to me, I already had it in my Yahoo Group, the most important factor is and many know it well, the girls treat me differently cause am a local and a good regular customer.
I can not say that such and such girl does this and that to me, cause they will not do it to visiting parties.
One of the major points that really emphasize this is the fact that girls will do salidas with me, not with strangers.
Like I said, I aim to help visitors coming down here.






[QUOTE=Prokofiev]Carlos,

I thank you for your maps and info. But Ghostbuster, Nibs and many others are bothered by the same thing that I am.

Why are you guys talking in code? "The M girl at the "I" place said that the Y girl at the "M" place was at the "H" place . . . blah, blah, blah" . That is of NO use to ANYONE but your group of 3. This is what private messages are for. Same thing with " I will be there next week and . . . blah, blah". If you have a little club and want to hook up, just PM each other or send E-mails. None of this is of any help or interest to the rest of us.

Also, if you want others to post their info, you need to be respectful of what others post. If someone posts about a MP, you immediately reply that it is a waste of time, despite not having visited the place yourself. We ALL have our favorites and our own ideas as to what is good. But I would have more respect if you guys posted . . . "Went to Signore last night per your recommendation. Hooked up with Theresa for 250 pesos. Was not impressed because . . . and didn't like the room because . . ." etc. Our tastes may vary, but if you Dog my info without having visited or met the girl, you are just negating what I posted. Not cool . . .

What would be useful? How about . . . " Went to Harem last night and met my favorita, Maria. She is a tall, 22yo morena with a a big top. Very sweet girl. Nice CBJ and FS. Asks for 350 pesos but will accept 250p in the privado. Will do a salida for 900p. Treat her right." Why consider them as your personal property? Do you think that these girls are not fucking someone else 5-10 times a night? Isn't the whole idea of the ISG to help others find these girls? So many of these posts are about "your girl" or "my girl". That is the opposite of what this forum is all about. It should be about sharing info, names, locations, prices etc. A certain amount of "I am in love . . ." is to be expected and can lend a bit of humanity to these descriptions. But page after page of this stuff gets old very quickly, and speaking in code only makes things worse. And in the end, 50yo-something guys talking about cheating on their wives with teenaged Mexican hookers and being in love is best left for Jerry Springer (. . . or Carmen Salinas in Mexico!)

I don't want to be rude. I DO appreciate the info. It's just that there is SO little info lately. I'm sure you are all great guys. I have made 4 visits to Monterrey and have enjoyed myself immensely. But I have posted here very little because I am not in your club and do not share your experiences and preferences. Monterey IS a great destination. IMO the BEST in all of Mexico. But different strokes for different folks and we need to be far more inclusive if we want this forum to be of real value.

Peace out . . . -P[/QUOTE]

You both know am a local boy.
Lived in Monterrey for 48 years, 25 of those dedicated to the night life.
Both of you in a sense posted that no information is being placed here in this Thread.
Information is indeed placed here on a "need to know" basis.
This information has helped many, including both of you to have a good time here in Monterrey.... or am I wrong?
Back to me being a local.
You both know that the clubs are here to make money. To squeeze the wallets of those that do not know how the clubs work, raise the prices to exploit the inocent and how the girls manage their clients to rip them off.
Clubs do not rip off me nor my friends, nor my out of town friends and visitors cause I make sure of that.
What do I do as a local? I stir them away of clubs that are tourist traps, girls that are troublesome, girls that have sticky fingers. Waiters that are thieves.
Help them if they are in trouble in these matters.
In person if the visitor whishes too.
Let me ask you something to you guys that just come down here for quickies and then go back to the confort of your homes.
Do you think the clubs agree to me assiting "dumb gringos" in not spending their money, throwing it away stupidly and aimlessly?
Of course not, the house is geared to get your money without mercy.
Just 2 Fridays ago we watched as 2 Amercians were conned by 2 Five star club girls out of 1000 dlls each.
You know what the comments were on Monday? "oh those stupid gringos that fell for every jarra the girls asked" Oh yes, the guys complained about the tab, the service, that they were bieng conned... uselessly.
I wanted to go over to them and tell them that they were bieng robbed. You know what would have happend to me? I would have been kicked out and banned from the club.
You know what the managers, the one's I am friend too, tell me? "Why the f**k do you help them, let them throw their money, they have plenty"... meaning you guys coming down here, thinking that you are rich.
You know how many insults I have to dodge from the girls that I do not allow to come even near to my friends from this Board and other boards mainly coming from the US?
No you don't, cause you go back home, back to your lives.
Not me, I live here.
My life is bumping into the girls at the malls, some times while being with my wife or maybe at a restaurant or movie theater.
Or better yet, finding out a brand promoting girl at the HEB food center one minute away from home, where you do your weekly shopping is a retired club girl.
And you know why nothing happens in those brief moments of panic you never get to live, cause you are not from here?
Cause the girls respect me. Thankfully.
Now, coming back to the point in mind:
Is this Thread useful?
Are our comments helpufull?
Do I or do not help the visitors coming down here to Monterrey?
Do the visitors coming down here leave Monterrey dissatisfied after getting advise from this Thread?
If the answer is yes, good.
If the answer is no... I'll guess I'll just retire .... NOT!
We have a nice helpful family over here... hopefully it'll stay this way.

proko and mill
i am sorry, i didnt realize you were the forum police. perhaps next you can go straighten out the colombia threads and make them highly informative for all the zero post noobs too.... just kidding.

but seriously i understand wanting to make the forum a better place. i really wish there was stricter editorial control also. but the spirit and intent is far better on this thread than many others. and bottom line the regulars will help those in need far more here than anywhere else. they just dont make it obvious for many good reasons.

i think we can make this thread a better place by first ending this argument and let people post what they are willing to post.

Am sorry we are not posting what you want, but by the way, if you know we don't do MPs you should be more persistant.
You've been here a couple of times, not many compared to the other guys, but enough to leave a mark.
(By the way, reporting on an MP is a total waste of time and virtual space... by the time someone else wonders into the one mentioned, all the girls posted by the poster are gone.)
And don't start again that the Thread is full of BS.... you think it's BS cause you don't do clubs.
This thread benefits from the posts of those that participate, not from the ones that think that they are participating reading and getting all the benefits with nothing in return.
One thing: I have nothing against them... please feel free to read, please feel free to learn and ask if in doubt.
Pro: USB comes down here once a month, Wasted every 3 weeks, you... you need to come more and meet the gang.
I guess that would entitle us to a little more chat than usual, why? because we are fast friends.
By the way Pro, please check the Nibu Raphael thread at the South America-Peru Section... read the posts.



[QUOTE=Prokofiev]" Is this Thread useful?
Are our comments helpufull?
Do I or do not help the visitors coming down here to Monterrey?"

Yes, I already thanked you for your maps and info. But that doesn't mean you should turn a public forum like ISG into a little penpal club. You guys seem to be missing the point. How can you possibly think that posts about "angry girl at "the I place" etc, etc could be of ANY use to more than 2 or 3 personal friends? That is what the PM function is for. And if you can't fit it in a PM, then just exchange group E-mails with the 3-4 guys. Is writing Infinito more difficult than " the I place"? It appears you guys are bragging about stuff that the rest of us should not know about. THAT is what is not helpful and has others upset.

" Bottom line...we are not pimps for lazy lurkers that want the information delivered to them on a silver plater"

Posts like this are insulting. I wouldn't characterize Mill Just (formerly Miller2K) as a lazy lurker. And if delivering info makes you a pimp . . . so be it! That is the PURPOSE of this forum! It is NOT a chatroom. I think that may be the basic cause of the problem. Mill has made over a 1000 posts over the years on this the the previous forum and has helped me and many others with his info about Mexico. Plus he's a good guy. Like myself and others, he is frustrated by your style of communication. Too much like a private little club. Too much "We are Vets", "my girls", "his girl" stuff. If these girls are REALLY just your private girlfriends and wont go out with anyone else, then there is no need to talk about them here. But I also think you guys give yourselves a bit too much credit. I may be wrong, but somehow I doubt these ladies are in love with you. They are pros and work for money. They can never do a salida with us because you don't post any names or info. Rather self-fulfilling prediction.

" Lastly, RTFF if you need info, if you don't like reading someone's report keep scrolling"

That would work if there wasn't SO much extra stuff. Just to get thu Mar and Feb 2007 you need 16 pages of reading with 15-20 post per page! Guys PLEASE quit using the QUOTE function to copy USBs posts in total. Everything ends up being printed 2 or 3 times - and these posts are enormous. Just copy and paste an important line or better yet just start out USB. . . and write your reply. It would keep this much more readable

" . . .and don't assume that the info provided here by Senior members is for your sole benefit"

Well, I don't. But neither should it be for the benefit of 1 or 2 members. That is for the PM function. Posts here should be for the benefit of ALL. Agreed?

Finally, just as Nibu Rafael has his own little section maybe USB could have a thread just for him? That would cut out 70% of the words and make finding info so much easier. Those who want to chat with him can post there and the rest put hard info on the forum.

-P[/QUOTE]