Stupid shit in Medellin

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2655888]Old people die Huacho LOL. It's part of life. You can't make all of society suffer for a virus we haven't been able to control for over 2 years. At this point anyone advocating for vaccine mandates or crazy restrictions is not thinking clearly and following the "science". Even besides the "science", the people have spoke, no one gives a fuck anymore. Let people live while they are healthy and if you are at risk, you should be the one quarantining. Not shutting society down for people who are on their death beds anyway.[/QUOTE]What's so funny? Sure everyone will go sometime but why speed it up? You obviously don't have any elder loved ones. There used to be a saying that the good die young. If that is the case, you should live forever.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2657129]What's so funny? Sure everyone will go sometime but why speed it up? You obviously don't have any elder loved ones. There used to be a saying that the good die young. If that is the case, you should live forever.[/QUOTE]I never accept that I am old. But if I live much longer, I can't pretend for many more years. BUt one thing is for sure. I certainly would not be so selfish as to ruin children's education, and to impose on the every day freedoms that younger people should have, just bcos I were be at a higher risk. That would be smthg that I must manage, not expect everyone else to suffer for.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2657087]The Good Life. And the real star of the show wasn't even in those 6 minutes![/QUOTE]Right my bad. It was the Good life, and Felicity Kendal, the real star, was the second winner of rear of the year: [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rear_of_the_Year[/URL].

It is amazing that contest is still going on in these days of PC.

Thing about Osteo's proclamation about truth is that you look at all these people who were wrong:

Joe Biden: You're Not Going To Get COVID If You Have These Vaccinations.

Tony Fauci: You Become A Dead End To The Virus.

Rochelle Walensky: "Vaccinated People Do Not Carry The Virus They Don't Get Sick. "

Alberta Bourla: "The COVID-19 vaccine was 100% effective in preventing #COVID19 cases in South Africa. 100%.

Bill Gates: "A key goal of the vaccination program is to stop transmission. "

Rachel Maddow: "Now we know that the virus stops with every vaccinated person. "

Francis Collins: "'Reason to be pretty optimistic' that the available COVID-19 vaccines will be effective against the new Omicron variant of the virus; All of the other variants that have emerged during this COVID-19 pandemic have shown response to the vaccine, including Delta.

Brian Stelter: "The newspaper USA Today describes 'America's fourth Covid-19 surge,' noting this 'didn't have to happen,' since vaccinations are so widely available. The headlines are followed by a call to action: 'Let's end it now. '

Then you have this jewel from Adam Carolla: "You closed the beaches down, you closed the schools down, cloth masks were going to save us all, the vaccine was going to be effective, natural immunity wasn't effective what have you been right about?

The comedian then asserted that he would be confident in putting Joe Rogan's batting average up against CNN's batting average "any day of the week," referring to CNN's infamous dismissal of Ivermectin as horse dewormer.

The irony about that is we have had people here saying, "Well, you know, the lockdowns / vaccines / whatever were never predicted to get rid of Covid. "

Of course, it is not Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan is just allowing doctors like Dr. Malone and McCollough, who IMO have been way closer to the truth than anyone else, to be allowed to speak because censorship has been off the chain.

I myself did not see the waves every 3 months coming with Corona (not sure who did though) and have kicked myself for not being educated on the natural history of viruses. So I made a decision on being vaccinated without knowing all that I should have. Still, I am not sure had I known I would have done anything different. As I said, my choice in getting vaccinated a second time was purely political, and the notion that my getting vaxxed gives me any kind of superior standing, as so many others think, is IMO moronic.

From a health POV, the notion that being vaxxed puts you medically in a better place is a dubious claim. But from a political POV and the ability to travel, the risk of being unvaccinated is there and seemingly getting worse by the day.

But to have a guy run out and catch Covid and then gets vaccinated after getting sick and thinks he knows all about the virus? That is too much to take.

That overconfidence, the giraffe I referred to, has been mapped out by Dunning and Kruger.

I like the graph here and maybe you can agree or disagree if we have someone looking down from Mount Stupid: [URL]https://understandinginnovation.blog/2015/07/03/the-dunning-kruger-effect-in-innovation/[/URL].

And then you have the wonderful article here upon which the graph was based: [URL]https://josephparis.me/my-articles/lessons-from-mt-stupid/[/URL].

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2657129]What's so funny? Sure everyone will go sometime but why speed it up? You obviously don't have any elder loved ones. There used to be a saying that the good die young. If that is the case, you should live forever.[/QUOTE]I am not saying we should do anything to speed up death for anyone who is at risk. I do not mean to disrespect anyone based on age or health. It is funny to me because it is so glaringly obvious that we cannot control this virus and whether or not we have lockdowns, vaccine mandates, travel restrictions, etc. The same amount of people at this point are going to contract the virus. We might as well preserve our economy and freedom rather than destroy it in the name of politics, shaming, and fear mongering. I feel sorry for those affected by this virus, both young and old. The young losing out on normalcy during childhood and of course the elderly losing out at enjoying their golden years. As I have said before, this virus is a force of nature, it's like trying to control a hurricane, you can't to a certain degree. All you can do is minimize the damage it causes. I didn't need to do 12 hours of reading peer reviewed studies either to come to this conclusion. I am very concerned about real world problems like crime, inflation, and social isolation which is also wreaking havoc across society. Poor have gotten much poorer during this pandemic and it should addressed as much or if not more than vaccine mandates and travel tests for tourists.

I don't see how anyone can say what I wrote is insane, but I am sure haters will come out and spit venom because I am not a sheep in the herd.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2657129]What's so funny? Sure everyone will go sometime but why speed it up? You obviously don't have any elder loved ones. There used to be a saying that the good die young. If that is the case, you should live forever.[/QUOTE]Lmfao, you're obviously too stupid to understand the full situation. I'm not saying that you're a terrible person but the consequences of the actions you're supporting are terrible.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2657129]What's so funny? Sure everyone will go sometime but why speed it up? You obviously don't have any elder loved ones. There used to be a saying that the good die young. If that is the case, you should live forever.[/QUOTE]If you read carefully, he has never said to speed it up.

The question is at what cost?

Let's say the correct way is to save live at any cost, forever, do you agree with this position?

If yes, I think this is at one end of the spectrum of all choices. Some people who don't agree are questioning this single end of spectrum position. I will also add this is an almost impossible choice for a democratic country like US to take if that includes forced quarantine of anyone regardless of the infection status.

If no, then it seems to me that people share a common ground except numbers are different. It goes back to the question of at what cost?

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2656859]I do work a full time career helping people daily which required 6 years of education.[/QUOTE]You sure write like you have six years of education. Seventh grade is 'haaard'. You have to learn the difference between you and you're, and it's and its, all kinds of stuff. I think you have to learn what 'x' is in 2 x + 4 = 6 that year too. You're lucky you quit when you did, because then in 8th grade you have to learn semi-colons.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2656859]I rarely start the bullshit, this time I did because every time I hop on this forum, your posting away tearing into people. You going at Mr. E hard like a weirdo. You did the same to me a few weeks back. You pick out the smallest most insignificant things to criticize people about and its just weird bro. I never spit any false info. Look, the vaccines were not what they were promised to be. That's a simple fact. I am not anti vaccine, as I have stated so many times. I just don't think they should be mandatory and I think the vaccine shaming needs to stop, its not healthy for society. Is that so bad? And if you are still advocating lockdowns and travel restrictions at this point, I think your judgement is very clouded by your bias.[/QUOTE]MrE often shares useful information. He also often makes up shit because he believes it somehow proves a point. Occasionally, he posts things which are potentially dangerous to others. I have no personal animus against him, only against the bad information and made up stories.

You can substitute any other member of ISG, whose posts I've argued against and it's the same. I have nothing against the individual. It's an anonymous internet message forum. Except for the people I've actually met, I don't try to make up back stories for the other people who post here. I don't care about their politics, religion, eating habits, or how they make or spend their money. Every person on ISG, if they send a message and ask to meet up when I'm in Medellin, I'm happy to go wherever and have a drink with them.

[QUOTE]And if you donating 25% of your income after you pay your income and property tax, then you are an idiot LOL. 25% That's a little excessive man, unless you are making close to half a million a year, and if you are god bless you, but I highly fucking doubt that because it seems you spend way too much time on this forum. If I was making that dough, I certainly wouldn't be wasting a dozen posts a day on this forum like it seems you do.[/QUOTE]First you're assuming someone who you've never met and know almost nothing about, does nothing to help out others in need, and now you're calling me an idiot because I give too much helping others out? Okay. Settle it for me. Considering my income, my expenses, my available time and all the other factors, how much, in dollars, or as a percentage of either my net, or gross income, is the proper amount I should offer to help others?

Since you're calling people out, who you assume do nothing to help others, how much of your time, energy and money do you give to those in need? How much is too little? How much is too much?

A dozen posts every day? I've been here for 7 years, with less than 4000 posts. Go ahead and do the math. There probably have been days when I've posted 12 times. At least once I've posted 10, so I assume there have been days with more posts. But every day? Not even close. The average is about 2 per day. At a guess I'd say 3 out of 4 of my posts have been either sharing information, or answering questions. What are your numbers? I took the time to look them up.

Your post count is 109.59 of your posts are in this thread. Out of your most recent 70 posts, 59 are in this thread. Actually, I believe it's 59 of 62. It's been less than 9 months since your very first post on ISG, well over half of your posts have been attacking others in this thread and you want to judge me on my posting history?

[QUOTE]I am no saint, and I would never claim to be. I do work a full time career helping people daily which required 6 years of education and other credentials as well. I pay my taxes and most of the time I am decent citizen and member of the community. I draw the line right there though, LOL I am definitely not donating 30-40 thousand a year to charity though lololol. Hell no! Love you guys so much, you make me so warm and fuzzy inside, especially T-king Osteo haha.[/QUOTE]Let's look at this one more time.

1. You start off attacking Paulie (who is generally a decent guy, and occasionally an ass, like just about everyone else) because you believe he's unemployed, uneducated, and does nothing to help others.

2. You then attack me because I help others too much.

3. Your justification for both attacks is that you're a "decent citizen and member of the community?" At the same time you strongly suggest that other than being "most of the time a decent citizen and member of the community" you don't do anything else to help others?

It's worth pointing out that most of the time, John Wayne Gacy was a decent citizen and member of the community.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2657155]If you read carefully, he has never said to speed it up.

The question is at what cost?

Let's say the correct way is to save live at any cost, forever, do you agree with this position?

If yes, I think this is at one end of the spectrum of all choices. Some people who don't agree are questioning this single end of spectrum position. I will also add this is an almost impossible choice for a democratic country like US to take if that includes forced quarantine of anyone regardless of the infection status.

If no, then it seems to me that people share a common ground except numbers are different. It goes back to the question of at what cost?[/QUOTE]I guess that I am the other end then. I don't put a price on life especially when we waste so much on death. He said let the healthy live. Does that mean anyone who is not healthy whatever that means, should die?

P.S. The USA is Not a democratic country. Democracy is the most over used and incorrectly used word in fashion now. Just go to any " News Channel" and you will hear it over and over.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2657161]You sure write like you have six years of education. Seventh grade is 'haaard'. You have to learn the difference between you and you're, and it's and its, all kinds of stuff. I think you have to learn what 'x' is in 2 x + 4 = 6 that year too. You're lucky you quit when you did, because then in 8th grade you have to learn semi-colons.[/QUOTE]Haha, you got me here Huacho. I meant 6 years post high school. Again, I never claimed to be the smartest guy going, but smart enough to realize when I see total bullshit mandates and pointless restrictions.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2657155] It goes back to the question of at what cost?[/QUOTE]So the way to manage cost is to um manage cost and the powers that were did a terrible job of that. Handing out corrupt contracts, denial is a river in Egypt, mask sourcing fiascos, and so forth. No one is perfect but early mistakes made for political rather than health or cost reasons wasted a lot of money.

If you want a serious discussion about what a human life costs, these are valued in civil courts every day. I disagree with these valuations as they are based on shit like 'future earning potential' which is based on shit like being born rich or white or from a developed country. And your dead ass is worth more if you had kids. Um no it's actually not, in the open market.

All human lives should have equal value. Here is a cynical view point. My guess is that if I make it ten more years, and we look back on this, we will see that COVID disproportionately killed and affected weaker members of society. Old, fat, too poor to get health care, too ignorant to get vaccinated, etc. [B] To me, the true measure of any society is how it treats its [u]weakest[/u] members. [/B]I did not personally profit from the pandemic but I made it through 2020 without getting laid off and was ready to pack it in anyway. Now I'm in a place I really like, that normally is overrun with tourists, and now is not. The gym used to be really crowded and now it's not. The stock market crashed so I bought my ass off. I was essentially financially unaffected. I did not get COVID so far as I know. I did not suffer financially from COVID. But, emotionally it was a vast wasteland and I think I'm fully recovered from that, but I'll never be sure. Severe lockdowns where I was reminded me of jail and may have scarred me a bit more. I went six months without pussy and had to survive on beer and weed.

TK is not vaxxed and is not worried because he has a healthy immune system or so he thinks, and a good diet. I am not worried because I have a healthy immune system or so I think, and a good diet, and am in A-1 aerobic shape. So if you accept that we are both healthier than average for our unknown ages, it still gets back to asymptomatic transmission being more common in unvaccinated people, making them irresponsible, plus the greater strain those people put on the health care system and thus the sacred economy when they get sick and start blathering about monoclonal antibodies and veterinary medicines. What I would do there is offer to medevac them with a helicopter, make them pay up front, and then toss them out of the helicopter in the finest Argentinean military tradition. Tip: do this over deeper water than those assholes did.

But the virus seems to be attenuating and there is quite a bit of history saying that is what viruses do. I would not be too quick to use that to criticize restrictions because you want to prevent deaths until a virus attenuates, and as we've seen, that takes years.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2656859]I rarely start the bullshit, this time I did because every time I hop on this forum, your posting away tearing into people. You going at Mr. E hard like a weirdo. You did the same to me a few weeks back. You pick out the smallest most insignificant things to criticize people about and its just weird bro. I never spit any false info. Look, the vaccines were not what they were promised to be. That's a simple fact. I am not anti vaccine, as I have stated so many times. I just don't think they should be mandatory and I think the vaccine shaming needs to stop, its not healthy for society. Is that so bad? And if you are still advocating lockdowns and travel restrictions at this point, I think your judgement is very clouded by your bias.
[/QUOTE]I agree with you Ram. WSJ today said hospitalization rate with omicron per a Kaiser study was 0. 16%. They also quoted an administrator as saying that 80% of people admitted were vaccinated in one health care system. Seeing as how the most vulnerable are the elderly and that they are like 99% vaxxed, that sounds about right to me.

What I have been surprised with in the last week is that it seems like the entertainment class has been unleashed. There was the Kid Rock song, Bill Maher and a guest of his speaking out against the pandemic. His guest said this is a "pandemic of the bureaucrats" and she got thunderous applause from a left leaning audience.

The most bone headed thing I had read recently was forcing truck drivers in North America to be vaccinated in the midst of a supply chain crisis. The Biden administration implemented such a measure and then back tracked on enforcement. Apparently, 40% of truckers are unvaccinated, but Justin Trudeau and Canada did not back down on the vaccine requirement, and a brigade of truckers 43 miles long have driven to Ottawa to protest.

Trudeau left town in a hurry and one Canadian newscaster said the brigade was due to Putin and Russia. Seriously. [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/worlds-largest-truck-convoy-arrives-ottawa-protest-medical-tyranny[/URL].

A buddy of mine is in this business, and he has told me that truckers are a different breed, but if they are united and motivated, and they usually are very independent, they could shut down our whole country in 3 days. I wonder how much of Ottawa has been shut down.

There is talk the truckers head to the USA but I am not sure what the exact point would be. Still, it is nice to see some protest over the tyrannical responses we have seen. I was so proud of Colombia for rising up.

This has been the strongest backlash I have seen in North America over Covid, and I think this more than anything might give the bureaucrats pause with their vaccine passports and mandates, but we shall see.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2657178]MrE often shares useful information. He also often makes up shit because he believes it somehow proves a point. Occasionally, he posts things which are potentially dangerous to others. I have no personal animus against him, only against the bad information and made up stories.

You can substitute any other member of ISG, whose posts I've argued against and it's the same. I have nothing against the individual. It's an anonymous internet message forum. Except for the people I've actually met, I don't try to make up back stories for the other people who post here. I don't care about their politics, religion, eating habits, or how they make or spend their money. Every person on ISG, if they send a message and ask to meet up when I'm in Medellin, I'm happy to go wherever and have a drink with them.

First you're assuming someone who you've never met and know almost nothing about, does nothing to help out others in need, and now you're calling me an idiot because I give too much helping others out? Okay. Settle it for me. Considering my income, my expenses, my available time and all the other factors, how much, in dollars, or as a percentage of either my net, or gross income, is the proper amount I should offer to help others?

Since you're calling people out, who you assume do nothing to help others, how much of your time, energy and money do you give to those in need? How much is too little? How much is too much?..[/QUOTE]Look man, I don't want to go back and forth with you all day. In all my life, I have never met a dude who donates 25% of his hard earned cash to charity. Seems really fucking strange to me. If I had to guess, you got to be full of shit and just trying to look noble in a filthy sex mongering forum. But if that's what really lights up your day, giving tens of thousands of dollars to total fucking strangers, then god bless you. You certainly don't need me to tell you what to do with your money.

Paulie has jumped in plenty of time and started shit with me over the vaccine shit. He's a big boy, he can handle it I am sure. Again, your posts are just weird and it bothers me. Are you really going back and reading and counting posts where I attacked people and keeping score? Again, you have way too much time on your hands. For the record, if you do go back and read my posts, I am usually responding to the hate and not starting it.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2657191]I guess that I am the other end then. I don't put a price on life especially when we waste so much on death. He said let the healthy live. Does that mean anyone who is not healthy whatever that means, should die?

P.S. The USA is Not a democratic country. Democracy is the most over used and incorrectly used word in fashion now. Just go to any " News Channel" and you will hear it over and over.[/QUOTE]You guys jump to extreme conclusions so fast. Why would you assume I want unhealthy people to die? This is such a common thing I see about the weirdos who view the vaccines like its 15th century religious sin to always go to extreme lengths to promote the vaccine and shame anyone who doesn't want it mandated. I never said anything close to wanting unhealthy people to die. You make yourself look so biased and unhinged when you attribute views to people that they don't support just to argue your opinion.

Again, just look at the hundreds of thousands of cases a day of covid. Look at the hundreds of thousands of deaths since the 95% effective vaccines have been available. The mandates and restrictions are not going to slow the virus down at this point. The vaccines failed us. We all for the sake of society should be as realistic as possible about this virus and our response. We shouldn't just blindly blame everything on the 8% of people who didn't get the vaccine. That 8% did not make a significant difference. The difference was the vaccines didn't prevent transmission. The vaccines were not 95% effective at stopping death and hospitalization. We cannot control the virus at this point. If you at risk and value your health and safety, you should be social distancing / masking and forcing people to shutdown the economy and socially isolate themselves because we have done that and it doesn't work. It just destroys our economy, our youth's education, and increases crime and mental illness.

And again, I am sure as always, someone will post some idiotic reply how I am a nazi and I want everyone to die because no one can come up with a valid argument to my point. Lets see if there are any intelligent arguments made to my view instead of just shaming and blind loyalty to the "science".

Oh yea, fully vaccinated and boosted here just in case you are wondering.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2657148]I am not saying we should do anything to speed up death for anyone who is at risk. I do not mean to disrespect anyone based on age or health. It is funny to me because it is so glaringly obvious that we cannot control this virus and whether or not we have lockdowns, vaccine mandates, travel restrictions, etc. The same amount of people at this point are going to contract the virus. We might as well preserve our economy and freedom rather than destroy it in the name of politics, shaming, and fear mongering. I feel sorry for those affected by this virus, both young and old. The young losing out on normalcy during childhood and of course the elderly losing out at enjoying their golden years. As I have said before, this virus is a force of nature, it's like trying to control a hurricane, you can't to a certain degree. All you can do is minimize the damage it causes. I didn't need to do 12 hours of reading peer reviewed studies either to come to this conclusion. I am very concerned about real world problems like crime, inflation, and social isolation which is also wreaking havoc across society. Poor have gotten much poorer during this pandemic and it should addressed as much or if not more than vaccine mandates and travel tests for tourists.

I don't see how anyone can say what I wrote is insane, but I am sure haters will come out and spit venom because I am not a sheep in the herd.[/QUOTE]You have never been to Colombia based on your posting history. In fact based on your posting history you are a virgin. You probably mostly engage in felching.