Stupid Shit in Kyiv

AFU looting stores are on security cameras and AFU shooting and killing civilians are on dash cameras. I can post links. Unfortunately reliable. Few that were left behind are mostly elderly, disabled and bed patients. It takes 5-6 volunteers to take them out to safety one by one through wooded areas. The other task is to untie pets and safe livestock. This is one of the reasons why a broader operation has not been taken yet.

As for arming civilians, Ukraine had disastrous outcome with arming territorial defense, which was wiped out in numbers at the outset of the SMO.

[QUOTE=Questner;2942738]AFU looting stores are on security cameras and AFU shooting and killing civilians are on dash cameras. I can post links. Unfortunately reliable. Few that were left behind are mostly elderly, disabled and bed patients. It takes 5-6 volunteers to take them out to safety one by one through wooded areas. The other task is to untie pets and safe livestock. This is one of the reasons why a broader operation has not been taken yet.

As for arming civilians, Ukraine had disastrous outcome with arming territorial defense, which was wiped out in numbers at the outset of the SMO.[/QUOTE]How can you tell an Orc is lying? His lips are moving.

[QUOTE=Questner;2942738]... I can post links...[/QUOTE]Okay, post the links. This is paid Russian disinformation. It continues to amaze me that their efforts extend to an obscure forum like this one.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2942242]I thought we were talking about Ukraine in this forum. Why even mention any elections anywhere in the world if they have no relevance to the current situation in Ukraine?

Really? When did these elections take place?[/QUOTE]This is the question you posed:

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2941908]Why don't you name countries that have gone through general elections while the enemy troops were occupying huge chunks of their territory?[/QUOTE]Well, I guess I could have replied in the Cyprus, Korea, China, Taiwan and Ireland threads and PM'ed you, but that wouldn't make much sense.

Free elections in Cyprus and South Korea proceeded when Turks, North Koreans and Chinese were actively fighting and have proceeded to this day. Lots and lots of elections (one party elections in PRC) occur in Taiwan and the PRC, and each claims the other is occupying its territory. The PRC is occupying a huge chunk of territory claimed by Taiwan. I believe Ireland claimed Northern Ireland until about 1999, and there were many free elections in Ireland.

Thanks for the Reason link. As you'd suspect, I often take what they publish seriously. In this instance I believe the writer is a bit over the top. As to some Russians leaving Kursk is it because they don't want to live under Ukrainian rule? And as to some Ukrainians staying put in Donbas, is it because they prefer Russian rule?

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2942703]I don't know if it were the mods who cut it down or something else happened[/QUOTE]It was probably you just being you (a dumbass).

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2942891]This is the question you posed:

Well, I guess I could have replied in the Cyprus, Korea, China, Taiwan and Ireland threads and PM'ed you, but that wouldn't make much sense.

Free elections in Cyprus and South Korea proceeded when Turks, North Koreans and Chinese were actively fighting and have proceeded to this day. Lots and lots of elections (one party elections in PRC) occur in Taiwan and the PRC, and each claims the other is occupying its territory. The PRC is occupying a huge chunk of territory claimed by Taiwan. I believe Ireland claimed Northern Ireland until about 1999, and there were many free elections in Ireland.[/QUOTE]Were there active wars raging while they held elections in these countries? Were situations in this countries even remotely comparable to the current situation in Ukraine? Or is it just you sharpening your sophistry skills?

And thank you for including such beacons of democracy as North Korea ad China. Nice touch.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2942891]Thanks for the Reason link. As you'd suspect, I often take what they publish seriously. In this instance I believe the writer is a bit over the top.[/QUOTE]Of course, he does. Good thing, Blood Red isn't.

[QUOTE=Questner;2942738]AFU looting stores are on security cameras and AFU shooting and killing civilians are on dash cameras. I can post links. Unfortunately [b]reliable[/b].[/QUOTE]Pretty please, with cherry on top, LOL.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2942657]My dear, the war is being fought on 600+ miles of the frontline, but I am paying attention to Donbas. My understanding is that Putin's advance has slowed down there, no? What's your latest (as of today, not a week ago)?[/QUOTE]Still waiting for your response. Why the delay?

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2942896]It was probably you just being you (a dumbass).[/QUOTE]Even more reasons to educate me. How are things around Pokrovsk (again -- today, not a week ago)?

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2942891]Free elections in Cyprus and South Korea proceeded when Turks, North Koreans and Chinese were actively fighting and have proceeded to this day. Lots and lots of elections (one party elections in PRC) occur in Taiwan and the PRC, and each claims the other is occupying its territory. The PRC is occupying a huge chunk of territory claimed by Taiwan. I believe Ireland claimed Northern Ireland until about 1999, and there were many free elections in Ireland.

Thanks for the Reason link. As you'd suspect, I often take what they publish seriously. In this instance I believe the writer is a bit over the top. As to some Russians leaving Kursk is it because they don't want to live under Ukrainian rule? And as to some Ukrainians staying put in Donbas, is it because they prefer Russian rule?[/QUOTE]They did not have free elections while there was a full on kinetic war going on. Also, don't use dictatorships as examples, since they are not "free" elections, e. G. PRC or Mordor. Do you have any other examples?

As for people staying put, they may not have anywhere else to go, it cannot be concluded that they love the Orcs and want them to rule over them, steal their kids and rape their women.

As for Russians leaving Kursk, if a full on kinetic war is coming to your doorstep and you have the Orcs sending missiles willy nilly without caring about civilian casualties, it might be a good idea to relocate if you have the opportunity.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2942917]Still waiting for your response. Why the delay?

Even more reasons to educate me. How are things around Pokrovsk (again -- today, not a week ago)?[/QUOTE]It's a very difficult situation for AFU in the Donbas at the moment, in particular around Pokrovsk and Ugledar, plus Toretsk. Pokrovsk will fall no doubt, wait for it.

[QUOTE=VinDici;2942997]They did not have free elections while there was a full on kinetic war going on. Also, don't use dictatorships as examples, since they are not "free" elections, e. G. PRC or Mordor. Do you have any other examples?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2942914]Were there active wars raging while they held elections in these countries? Were situations in this countries even remotely comparable to the current situation in Ukraine? Or is it just you sharpening your sophistry skills?

And thank you for including such beacons of democracy as North Korea ad China. Nice touch.

Of course, he does. Good thing, Blood Red isn't.[/QUOTE]Yes, wars were ongoing when Greek Cyprus and South Korea held free elections. In my first post on this subject, I only mentioned the Republic of China (Taiwan), which admittedly might not have been a democracy at the time fighting was occuring, and later pointed out the PRC held one party elections. And never held up North Korea as an example. I said North Korea was occupying land claimed by South Korea, during the Korean war and afterwards.

The fighting has stopped, but I don't think you can argue that Taiwan isn't a democracy, and doesn't officially claim the Chinese mainland.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2943061]Yes, wars were ongoing when Greek Cyprus and South Korea held free elections. In my first post on this subject, I only mentioned the Republic of China (Taiwan), which admittedly might not have been a democracy at the time fighting was occuring, and later pointed out the PRC held one party elections. And never held up North Korea as an example. I said North Korea was occupying land claimed by South Korea, during the Korean war and afterwards.

The fighting has stopped, but I don't think you can argue that Taiwan isn't a democracy, and doesn't officially claim the Chinese mainland.[/QUOTE]None of these were fighting kinetic wars at the time.

Cyprus is a sovereign nation so there was no kinetic war in Greece, nor Turkey at the time of elections.

You have no examples, because in general Nations don't have elections during war, they have bigger fish to fry.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2943061]Yes, wars were ongoing when Greek Cyprus and South Korea held free elections. In my first post on this subject, I only mentioned the Republic of China (Taiwan), which admittedly might not have been a democracy at the time fighting was occuring, and later pointed out the PRC held one party elections. And never held up North Korea as an example. I said North Korea was occupying land claimed by South Korea, during the Korean war and afterwards.

The fighting has stopped, but I don't think you can argue that Taiwan isn't a democracy, and doesn't officially claim the Chinese mainland.[/QUOTE]It is, but it wasn't a democracy until the 80's. Neither was South Korea. When, in what years, did these elections take place?

I also read up on Cyprus and didn't find any mentioning of any elections during the Turkish invasion (until 1974 when the ceasefire was signed). So please explain what you mean.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2943204]It is, but it wasn't a democracy until the 80's. Neither was South Korea. When, in what years, did these elections take place?

I also read up on Cyprus and didn't find any mentioning of any elections during the Turkish invasion (until 1974 when the ceasefire was signed). So please explain what you mean.[/QUOTE]You can debate whether the 1952 presidential election in South Korea was free and fair. I think Syngman Rhee probably did legitimately win the election, although the way he got the constitution modified so he could run again in the first place wasn't exactly democratic. The numerous local, regional and parliamentary elections held in 1952 probably were free and fair.

You're right about Cyprus. The Turkish incursion didn't take very long, and occurred between elections.

You kind of moved the goal posts, as initially you only asked us to name countries where enemy troops were occupying large chunks of territory. You didn't say at first there had to be ongoing fighting.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2943058]... Pokrovsk will fall no doubt, wait for it.[/QUOTE]How is this prediction aging?