Phnom Penh

[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1118999]There is only 1 "real" casino in Phnom Penh; it's Naga. If there is a freelance scene, it's not obvious.

There are several other video casinos in some of the hotels. [/QUOTE]OK so that must be it. I can't imagine rich guys are all heading to mini-casinos in hotel lobbies to play the video slots.

Cambodian nationals are by law forbidden to enter Naga Casino. Although for sure you will find some of them there. Like that government official recently who blew quite some cash he stole from the state. Is doing a six year stretch in Prey Sar prison now. So if girls are to be found there then it will be outside the actual casino, in the other spots inside Naga World, but not in the casino itself.

Pontoon, if my information is correct? They have bought or rented 5 shops in a straight line in the mall right opposite Heart of Darkness. Apparantly right opposite the Heart itself.

Martini, although only a stonethrow from my house, have not been inside for at least three weeks, but most of the girls who come to my house are regulars there, and they tell me that it is very very quiet, at least to their norm.

That is generally my impression of the city, quiet. It all started going downhill with the crackdown, mongers generally apparantly have drawn their conclusion and are avoiding the country like the plague. But it is not that bad, you can still easily, very easily get laid in this country for 10/15 bucks.

Personally I believe the real problem here is that it is all so; small; , everybody know everybody and the girls talk a lot. Plus we have reached the situation that foreign bar owners in the; hostess area; believe they can charge people 3 bucks for a beer.

Hotels are getting expensive. 20/30 bucks and more is becoming the norm, but this here is not Bangkok, they seem to forget that. All this is putting people off.

But Cambodia remains a very easy going, relatively safe country, where pussy is readily available, certainly if you can take your time.

[QUOTE=Camboblowshooter; 1119099]Cambodian nationals are by law forbidden to enter Naga Casino. Although for sure you will find some of them there. Like that government official recently who blew quite some cash he stole from the state. Is doing a six year stretch in Prey Sar prison now. So if girls are to be found there then it will be outside the actual casino, in the other spots inside Naga World, but not in the casino itself.

Pontoon, if my information is correct? They have bought or rented 5 shops in a straight line in the mall right opposite Heart of Darkness. Apparantly right opposite the Heart itself.

Martini, although only a stonethrow from my house, have not been inside for at least three weeks, but most of the girls who come to my house are regulars there, and they tell me that it is very very quiet, at least to their norm.

That is generally my impression of the city, quiet. It all started going downhill with the crackdown, mongers generally apparantly have drawn their conclusion and are avoiding the country like the plague. But it is not that bad, you can still easily, very easily get laid in this country for 10/15 bucks.

Personally I believe the real problem here is that it is all so; small; , everybody know everybody and the girls talk a lot. Plus we have reached the situation that foreign bar owners in the; hostess area; believe they can charge people 3 bucks for a beer.

Hotels are getting expensive. 20/30 bucks and more is becoming the norm, but this here is not Bangkok, they seem to forget that. All this is putting people off.

But Cambodia remains a very easy going, relatively safe country, where pussy is readily available, certainly if you can take your time. [/QUOTE]$3 for a beer! Surely not in the 136 or 104 areas? Its been a year since I've been in PP but I'm back in April and not planning to pay that for a beer! I always found Candy Bar reliable. Maybe Miss World doesn't hang out there but, I thought, plenty of nice enough girls and a nice, friendly, relaxed vibe. Any of you fellas got an opinion of what Candy Bar is like now (or will be in April. How long is a piece of string)? If Martini is pretty dead, what are the best FL places do you reckon. On my last visit I just turned up and Walkabout a few times and always got something. To be honest, there won't that many girls there on a couple of the occassions, but there were even less guys!

Also, I realise I'm going to be there over Cambodian New Year. Will there be any skirt available or will they all be back in the village?

[QUOTE=Camboblowshooter;1119099]Pontoon, if my information is correct? They have bought or rented 5 shops in a straight line in the mall right opposite Heart of Darkness. Apparantly right opposite the Heart itself.[/quote]

Yes it's in the block of buildings directly opposite Heart, but the entrance to Pontoon isn't facing it, it's facing the block that Walkabout is on.

There's also a convenience store that opened up across from Walkabout. And the QG bar (is actually QG, but the G has a cross on the inside of the G. Was worried it was some kind of gay / lesbian thing the first time I walked in). With the new places, the area has a slightly livelier, more friendly feel.

[quote]Martini, although only a stonethrow from my house, have not been inside for at least three weeks, but most of the girls who come to my house are regulars there, and they tell me that it is very very quiet, at least to their norm.[/quote]Yes I wouldn't get excited Wendella. It was very quiet. My estimate of 40 was directly at the peak, and may have been generous. A couple of the girls I talked to were lamenting how dead it was, saying customers just aren't coming to Cambodia. Was very sleepy.

Tonight I went to Sharky's and it was even worse. There were probably under 20 girls, and about 40 guys. Needless to say, only about 5 of the girls were unoccupied, and it was for a reason.

I remember being here last March/April and Sharky's being full of girls, so many they didn't have enough chairs and were standing around.

[quote]Personally I believe the real problem here is that it is all so; small; , everybody know everybody and the girls talk a lot.[/quote]Definitely. There just aren't that many girls. If there's only 100 in the entire scene that wouldn't surprise me. Tonight I went to Heart and there were roughly 35 girls, and after looking around, I realized I had been with 5 of them and they were watching me like hawks. You can imagine the dirty looks I was getting when some other girls approached me.

I went to PP in 09 and spent most of my time near riverside. Overall the place is a pit. Just horrible. All of the bars and massage I went to left almost immediately due to lack of quality.

I even went to notorious KM11 but there was nothing there. Had a real hard time finding a tout to even take me there.

The same tout eventually set me up with a good exprience with a really cute Viet girl that I still dream about today. I paid an arm and a leg but that was mostly to ensure my safety.

I may go back but seems a bit risky. The place feels like the wild west anything can happen at any moment.

[quote=dirtydozen;1120105]i may go back but seems a bit risky. the place feels like the wild west anything can happen at any moment.[/quote]if you think it's the wild west here you should have seen the place seven or even five years ago. cambodia definitely has not the quantity or variety that thailand has. as for quality, it's a place that rewards patience, and so mongers in a hurry are often disappointed.

k11 is still open for business. but not to barangs. the only whites you'll see there are ngos still creaming their cotton panties at the thought or catching a ****. they are completely oblivious of the k11 sprouting in the countryside.

[QUOTE=DirtyDozen; 1120105]I went to PP in 09 and spent most of my time near riverside. Overall the place is a pit. Just horrible. All of the bars and massage I went to left almost immediately due to lack of quality.

I even went to notorious KM11 but there was nothing there. Had a real hard time finding a tout to even take me there.

The same tout eventually set me up with a good exprience with a really cute Viet girl that I still dream about today. I paid an arm and a leg but that was mostly to ensure my safety.

I may go back but seems a bit risky. The place feels like the wild west anything can happen at any moment. [/QUOTE]This comment basically reflects reality here. Yes. However it is not that bad. That said, in my fifties now, I don't mind, but twenty years younger I would not even dream of coming here. For the young, nothing here.

$3 for a beer! Surely not in the 136 or 104 areas?

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I should have been more specific here, TIGER beer. But this is in certain bars in these streets already since 2007/2008. In the meantime many other areas have raised their prices, as did Martini a few months back.

Popped in Martini last Friday around 10 and left 10. 30. Let me first say it was still Tet and also the moment the Walkabout draws its Friday evening Joker, but I have never ever seen Martini like this; there were ten girls and about 25 customers and almost all girls were standing alone, says alot about quality that was inside. It was horrible. Worse then this it can not become.

Pontoon open on its new location, in the Mall opposite the Heart, side Walkabout.

But overall, PP is very very quiet. Disappionting. Have never seen it like this, Tet or not.

Have any of you guys been to Pit Stop, on Street 51, since it's just come under new management? The reason I ask is because the guy is doing a blog that is quite interesting to read: [url]http://www.thebodia.com/pitstop/[/url]

Western owner so he's talking about how to make the business attractive to punters, get in good girls etc. I hope it takes off and has some nice chicks!

The way half the posts are going on this board, by the time I get to PP in April, things will be so bad that I'll have to stay in my hotel room and have a tug instead of actually been able to find any action!

[quote=khmerblue; 1120297]if you think it's the wild west here you should have seen the place seven or even five years ago. cambodia definitely has not the quantity or variety that thailand has. as for quality, it's a place that rewards patience, and so mongers in a hurry are often disappointed.

k11 is still open for business. but not to barangs. the only whites you'll see there are ngos still creaming their cotton panties at the thought or catching a ****. they are completely oblivious of the k11 sprouting in the countryside.[/quote]so are there any specific areas in the countryside where its still possible to get some quality boom boom? i have been to cambo a couple of times; the first in 2009 and it was immense, managed to find loads of quality girls and had a great time, i went back last year and was shocked at the crackdown that has taken place! loads of the brothels had been shut down and places like martini's had got a lot more sparse in there selection! even the chicken farm in sihanook was hardly a patch of its former glory.

i want to go for a trip in a few months and any tips of places to visit on or off the beaten track would be good. can't beat a bit of adventure!

Does anyone have any recommendations of provinces to visit off the beaten track where it may still be possible to get some good boom boom / yum yum? Pp siem reap and sihanok are not what they used to be! I may be heading back to cambo for a week or so in the next couple of months and would love a little adventure!

Oh I don't doubt that K11 is still in full force. It's just moved somewhere else. When they find it, it will move again. NGO effort completely wasted.

Hm. Bad news. Just found out the new QG club is "the first gay nightclub in PP".

See for yourself: qgphnompenh dot com.

There goes my plan.

Spaceman

[QUOTE=AlLostInSpace13; 1120932]Hm. Bad news. Just found out the new QG club is "the first gay nightclub in PP".

See for yourself: qgphnompenh dot com.

There goes my plan. [/QUOTE]They seem to have exactly 0 customers every night, so it might go out of business rather quickly.

What I love is to hear the lady's views of working the trade. A few wonderful insights I've gleaned in the last few months:

* I had a regular lady for a few weeks, and she told me she lived in a tiny 1 room apartment next to HoD with 4 other girls."Apartment" is probably an exaggeration, since I don't think it had its own bathroom. At least the rent must have been cheap! Probably something like $10 or $20 per girl per month.

One of her room mates was a lady who worked Naga Casino. Her price was $100 per night. My lady asked her about getting in on this action, but was discouraged by her response. She couldn't afford it! The lady has to buy drinks to stay and their drinks are very expensive."You have to spend money to make money," as the saying goes. But if she was making all that money, why was she sharing a little crowded room with 4 other girls?

* I met a Vietnamese working girl at Martini with really good English. She'd obviously been working with tourists a while. I asked her about her views of the various freelancer spots around town and she told me she disliked Walkabout?"Why?" Because all the customers were old men who smoked ganja. Ha! I thought the problem was that all the ladies were on ice. I guess some ladies are as unhappy about the drugs in Walkabout as the guys, but for different reasons.

*One night at Walkabout one of the working girls bought me and my friend a round of beers. That's the first time a prostitute has ever bought me a drink! She was celebrating because she'd made over $100 that day from various tourists. She told me charges $30 or $40 each time. I went with her a few weeks later and paid the usual rate. $15. She knows the tourist rate doesn't apply to locals.

For those of you just passing through town briefly. I suggest you don't discuss money too much. I rarely talk about money ahead of time, and usually just hand them $15 afterwards without comment. I've never had a lady act unhappy with this. Once or twice they seemed a little too eager, as if I'd given them too much. I guess $10 is pretty common for short time with some punters.

[QUOTE=Bartchamdo; 1121085]What I love is to hear the lady's views of working the trade. A few wonderful insights I've gleaned in the last few months:

* I had a regular lady for a few weeks, and she told me she lived in a tiny 1 room apartment next to HoD with 4 other girls."Apartment" is probably an exaggeration, since I don't think it had its own bathroom. At least the rent must have been cheap! Probably something like $10 or $20 per girl per month.

One of her room mates was a lady who worked Naga Casino. Her price was $100 per night. My lady asked her about getting in on this action, but was discouraged by her response. She couldn't afford it! The lady has to buy drinks to stay and their drinks are very expensive."You have to spend money to make money," as the saying goes. But if she was making all that money, why was she sharing a little crowded room with 4 other girls? [/quote]

I talked to a girl who lived directly across from Flamingo's alone in a 1 room and was paying $50 / month.

Most SEAsian girls seem to like to share tiny cheap apartments, even if they're making decent money. It's just what they're used to. One girl told me she'd be scared to live in a big apartment alone because of ghosts.

[quote]*One night at Walkabout one of the working girls bought me and my friend a round of beers. That's the first time a prostitute has ever bought me a drink! She was celebrating because she'd made over $100 that day from various tourists. She told me charges $30 or $40 each time. I went with her a few weeks later and paid the usual rate. $15. She knows the tourist rate doesn't apply to locals.

For those of you just passing through town briefly. I suggest you don't discuss money too much. I rarely talk about money ahead of time, and usually just hand them $15 afterwards without comment. I've never had a lady act unhappy with this. Once or twice they seemed a little too eager, as if I'd given them too much. I guess $10 is pretty common for short time with some punters. [/QUOTE]

The girls are really trying to push prices up I've found. At least to the $20 / ST level. I've politely declined to give them that. Then if you agree on $20 / LT they'll do the trick where they leave after an hour or two and still want the LT rate. But the most I've ever paid is $30 / LT for a girl who stayed 12 hours and did it 5 times. And she never even mentioned money, I just gave it to her. If they like you and you treat them all right, they don't complain.