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[QUOTE=TheCane;2454074]That would be 12 to 15 times higher (versus a percentage). Brazil is getting slammed with this thing![/QUOTE]Well, whether right or wrong, Balsonaro seems to be all in with Herd immunity (little flu) and doubling down by striking that deal to supply Hydro-cloro medication. Unfortunately, seems that not by choice, the Brazilian citizens will be the participating in this gigantic petri dish or clincal trials of a different way of dealing with covid 19 at a mass scale as compared to the majority of the world.

If this were high stakes poker, Balso has been all in since day one. Who knows what's up. He and generals might be nut cases, or some how weasel their way past this because of a lucky hand. Either way, the world will be looking closely to see what the outcomes will be with this approach. People are going to die regardless, but his approach will either increase or lower the deaths significantly.

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Governments don't tell a virus how to operate.

Either way, lets hope its all over soon and we can travel back.[/QUOTE]Actually governments have lot to say how the virus operates. As an example;.

Sweden has 3540 cases /1 million population and 418 deaths /1 million population. Denmark, Finland and Norway with similar health care system, nursing homes, demography etc. , but different approach to the Covid-19 have 1592 cases /1 million population and 66 deaths /1 million population.

The Swedish economy is equally hit as it's neighbouring countries, but when Europe is opening up it's citizens are not welcome to some countries because the pandemic situation is still one of the worst in the world. At the same time the number of deaths per day in the other three countries is close to zero (0-5). It's not a coincidence, but I totally agree with your last sentence and hope that we can travel back ASAP.

[QUOTE=Nordico;2454366]Actually governments have lot to say how the virus operates.[/QUOTE]The way I would state it is like this. Leadership matters. And when you have poor and / or ineffective leadership (United States and Brazil as examples), then you're going to be worse off and more adversely impacted by a crisis like a pandemic.

[QUOTE=Nordico;2454366]Actually governments have lot to say how the virus operates. As an example;.

Sweden has 3540 cases /1 million population and 418 deaths /1 million population. Denmark, Finland and Norway with similar health care system, nursing homes, demography etc. , but different approach to the Covid-19 have 1592 cases /1 million population and 66 deaths /1 million population.

The Swedish economy is equally hit as it's neighbouring countries, but when Europe is opening up it's citizens are not welcome to some countries because the pandemic situation is still one of the worst in the world. At the same time the number of deaths per day in the other three countries is close to zero (0-5). It's not a coincidence, but I totally agree with your last sentence and hope that we can travel back ASAP.[/QUOTE]Not true. Sweden is doing much better than Finland and Norway when in it comes to the economy.

[QUOTE=Mangera;2454358]Well, whether right or wrong, Balsonaro seems to be all in with Herd immunity (little flu) and doubling down by striking that deal to supply Hydro-cloro medication. Unfortunately, seems that not by choice, the Brazilian citizens will be the participating in this gigantic petri dish or clincal trials of a different way of dealing with covid 19 at a mass scale as compared to the majority of the world.

If this were high stakes poker, Balso has been all in since day one. Who knows what's up. He and generals might be nut cases, or some how weasel their way past this because of a lucky hand. Either way, the world will be looking closely to see what the outcomes will be with this approach. People are going to die regardless, but his approach will either increase or lower the deaths significantly.[/QUOTE]Eventually Brasil will be one of the first to get clinical trial vaccines since the problem for testing the vaccines now is the decline of cases in most countries so it is difficult to know if the vaccine actually works.

HCQ does not work and is no longer recommended for anyway anywhere but Brasil. WHO should step in.

No one knows why Remdesivir is not being used instead which gives slight patient improvements. Manufactures are donating it but not to Brazil.

[URL]https://www.google.com/search?q=remdesivir[/URL]+in+Brazil&oq=remdesivir+in+Brazil&aqs=chrome. 69 i57.8743 j0 j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2453574]Brazil is the new hot spot for COVID-19! And you know the situation is many magnitudes worse due to a gross lack of testing and under reporting. I have heard estimates that the true level of infection ranges anywhere from 12% to 15% higher. Who knows? What we know for sure is that people are dying!

[URL]https://www.aol.com/article/news/2020/05/24/white-house-imposes-coronavirus-travel-ban-on-brazil/24413991/[/URL][/QUOTE]Maybe they ramped up testing, 26,417 cases in one day.

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-brazil-tally/brazil-registers-record-26417-coronavirus-cases-in-a-day-ministry-idUSKBN2343QA[/URL]

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2454418]Not true. Sweden is doing much better than Finland and Norway when in it comes to the economy.[/QUOTE]As this is wrong thread and probably wrong forum, I just leave it at this, [URL]https://internetbank.swedbank.se/ConditionsEarchive/download?bankid=1111&id=WEBDOC-PRODE60898530[/URL] page 18.

[QUOTE=Nordico;2454537]As this is wrong thread and probably wrong forum, I just leave it at this, [URL]https://internetbank.swedbank.se/ConditionsEarchive/download?bankid=1111&id=WEBDOC-PRODE60898530[/URL] page 18.[/QUOTE]I'm looking for facts, not wild guesses.

[URL]https://tradingeconomics.com/denmark/gdp-growth[/URL]

[URL]https://tradingeconomics.com/finland/gdp-growth[/URL]

[URL]https://tradingeconomics.com/norway/gdp-growth[/URL]

[URL]https://tradingeconomics.com/sweden/gdp-growth[/URL]

Phase 3 COVID-19 vaccine trials will start, among other countries, in Brazil.

[URL]https://www1.folha.uol.com.br/equilibrioesaude/2020/06/brasileiros-participarao-de-testes-de-vacina-contra-coronavirus-da-universidade-de-oxford.shtml[/URL]

[URL]https://m.huffpostbrasil.com/entry/vacina-oxford-coronavirus-testes-brasil_br_5ed7c2f6c5b69bb48b60afb6?guccounter=1[/URL]

This interactive map is an excellent source of information, and they claim to be keeping it updated: [URL]https://www.iatatravelcentre.com/international-travel-document-news/1580226297.htm[/URL]. So, rather than the endless questions about "when" and "where" and "what" regarding the resumption of international travel, we can all refer to this tool for the latest accurate updates.

Even the masters wrote of their time in the brothels: [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2020/jun/17/van-gogh-and-gauguin-letter-brothel-visit-sells-210000[/URL].

[URL]https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-in-india-and-brazil-new-forecasts-for-when-economic-giants-will-hit-peak-140672[/URL]

For those who were hoping for the worst phase to pass within June or July, the predictions given in the article provided within the link, doesn't have the peak of the Covid situation reaching / passing until August. So even if you are not fearful of the virus, you may still be limited to the opening of arrivals for foreigners.

My guess would be that by November at best. Hopefully, the article's prediction is wrong, for various reasons, number one being for the sake of losing less lives.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2459270]Even the masters wrote of their time in the brothels: [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2020/jun/17/van-gogh-and-gauguin-letter-brothel-visit-sells-210000[/URL].[/QUOTE]If you visit the ruins of Pompeii in Italy, which was destroyed by earthquake in AD79 the guide will point out the brothels with erotic art showing description of services and prices still on the walls. The oldest profession for sure.

On Saturday Brazil extended it's border closure for foreigners by 15 days. [URL]https://www1.folha.uol.com.br/equilibrioesaude/2020/06/governo-estende-por-mais-15-dias-restricao-para-entrada-de-estrangeiros-no-brasil.shtml?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=twfolha[/URL].

[QUOTE=MrMatrix;2459747]If you visit the ruins of Pompeii in Italy, which was destroyed by earthquake in AD79 the guide will point out the brothels with erotic art showing description of services and prices still on the walls. The oldest profession for sure.[/QUOTE]I thought Pompei was destroyed by a volcano eruption?