American Politics

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2562151]I did not violate Godwin's Law....Whenever anyone says something contrary to the Left's Orthodoxy they are accused of being racist.[/QUOTE]Yes you violated Godwin's Law as you've been in here squawking like Chicken Little for a month now, all while our country is trucking along fine without your guy's authoritarianism, stolen election lies, intimidation of election officials, incitements to violence, childish insults, overt racism, grifts, Nativism, Isolationism, Covid denialism, and late night tweets. It is your crowd that has wanted to shut down the discussion while attempting to overturn a election through dishonesty, corruption and force, and you call others Nazis? Yes, the whole practice of denying systemic racism, falsely accusing blacks and browns of stealing an election, going on about predominantly black urban areas in the matter of drug related crimes when whites were involved in the same in earlier periods of our history, voter suppression, is racist, and in the present context, often whataboutism. Ultimately everyone had their say and your side lost. Had it gone the other way I'm sure you'd be swaggering around with a very different demeanor.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2562151]You call the 2021 ("Summer of Love") rioting peaceful!.[/QUOTE]This is the first and surest sign of someone who has no argument, when he puts words in the mouths of his opponents. That is a caricature of what I said, and you know it. Recent BLM and otherwise race related protests have been largely peaceful. As is often the case there have been opportunists around the fringes, looting and the like. Articles were posted to demonstrate that very little of this activity has been linked to BLM members. And the Anarchists Antifa haven't killed anyone. Did Tucker Carlson tell you that? In fact when put against the extremists on your side of the spectrum over the last 25 years, the score is 329-0.

[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/right-wing-extremists-kill-329-since-1994-antifa-killed-none-2020-7[/URL]

Not to mention that it's your guys that, according to Trump's DHS, represent our greatest domestic terrorist threat. Antifa didn't even make the report. Did Tucker or Hannity ever tell you that? Because the point is, in spite of all your crying about "the corporate media," you are feasting on some extremely slanted material from the corporations you deem reliable. If you want to get at the truth you have to do a lot more looking around, even to some primary sources. But if you are just an ideologue playing Chicken Little on the internet, then you aren't worth anyone's time, aside from some in the audience that may benefit from the content of the rebuttals written to you.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2562151]Yes there were arrests and then the authorities let everybody out of jail to riot again the next night.[/QUOTE]"Everybody?" and by "the next night?" Prove it. Link your source. We have this thing called bail in this country, as well as standards of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. As a result many cases are dropped or pled before trial. Also a lot of them were probably smart enough not to take selfies and brag about their crimes on Facebook or to girls they were trying to score with in dating apps, like the lower strata of the crowds you like to draw.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2562151]Can you name left wing rioter who has been convicted of a crime and spent time in prison? [/QUOTE]I'm not doing all the work here. LOL You erect and knock down straw men, make a variety of claims without ever providing any sources. But go to Bing, search "Portland rioters sentenced" and you'll find at least one sent to prison and several felony cases that are open and working through the system. Go back at least two pages.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2562151]I love how you appropriate of the phrase, "the corporate media" and try to reserve it solely for Fox. [/QUOTE]Huh? Lolol You whine about "the corporate media" while supporting corporate media. Not all corporate media entities are left leaning, obviously, thus you are so caught up in reciting the terminology or "buzz words" of your crowd that you don't stop to think. There's more to life than Fox, Breitbart, News Max, or whatever your social media feeds think you'll like to hear.

Your politics are a bit wobbly, buddy.

Didn't want to respond in the Rio thread 'cause we can do without distractions, but here goes.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2562827]Maybe this belongs more in a politics thread -- American politics or Brazilian politics -- but frankly, bolsonaro has gotten it right.[/QUOTE]Yes it does and no, he frankly hasn't. 450,000 dead souls beg to differ.

[QUOTE]The man rides a bike. He's the real military man that Trump wanted to be.[/QUOTE]Nah, I like people who hadn't served the military junta that killed or disappeared hundreds of dissidents.

[QUOTE]He beat Covid himself.[/QUOTE]Doctors didn't help? Not even a little?

[QUOTE]The cure for this flu like "killer" is to go swim in the ocean and get sun at the beach and have a healthy diet to support an immune system.[/QUOTE]Again, 450,000 dead souls beg to differ.

[QUOTE]The state is not supposed to be your nanny, your nurse, your boss, though the puritan eco green control freaks of north America and other rich world countries think it should be.[/QUOTE]What is state supposed to do then? Sit in a palace and act stately?

If the state isn't supposed to lead during a generational health crisis, I truly don't understand the function of the state. Or maybe you don't.

[QUOTE]We have Brazil to thank for 8 dollar pussy in a world gone fucking crazy.[/QUOTE]Here we go. Best for the last!

Now, you've got my standing ovations!

Seriously, no sarcasm.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2562990]1. Last first - $8 pussy is a pretty good indictment of him being a failure. If the country was successful the pussy would be a lot more expensive.[/QUOTE]True that!

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2562812]So, let's get real. Any of you leftist here want to defend Critical Race Theory (CRT) and the forced indoctrination of this modern left wing racism on innocent children (Black, White, Asian, Latino) in grade schools? Martin Luther King's dream of a colorblind society is dead in the Democratic Party. This is racism in America today. [/QUOTE]How about tell us about CRT, what all the curriculum contains. We do have a history in this country of placing certain stereotypes on blacks, as objects of scorn, jest, and inferiority, as this has been seen for ages in theater and pop culture. This all reinforces a white over black model. Examples? Minstrel shows, pickaninny tales, smiling black maids shaped as cookies jars and ash trays, and the many stereotypes that exist today, even the black criminal bit you claim to care about while ignoring that the vast majority are law abiding. I seriously doubt you know what CRT is, but show us that you do, tell us what you think is wrong with it, and most of all, cite sources. I can't emphasize that last point enough, given your propensity to make stuff up. And not surprisingly you misinterpret MLK. He was well aware that his I Have a Dream speech was a vision, an ideal. He also had a practical side and confronted racism head on. Read his book Why We Can't Wait for starters. Here's a brief explanation of CRT and the associated controversy.

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/01/us/critical-race-theory-explainer-trnd/index.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2562812]And oh yeah, black lives do not matter in the USA unless some moron gets himself killed by a white cop while resisting arrest. [/QUOTE]This is just gratuitous, and reflective of an angry guy lashing out. Personally I don't think you want any real discussion, or even any responses. You just want to type out lists, and vent your frustration here with loaded vitriol at the people you think are responsible for your unhappiness. Last I checked resisting arrest isn't a capital crime. And the only ones who can issue such an order would be a jury of 12. The evidence was heard and Chauvin was found guilty by a jury of his peers, and with many LE officers and specialists testifying against him.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2562812]The daily slaughter of black citizens in every major American city (all run by the Democratic Party Machine for the last 50 to 75 years) by black criminals; that is never mentioned in the Democratic Party and no Democrat Politician, black or white, gives a shit. That is racism in America today.[/QUOTE]These are lies as Democrats discuss these matters quite often. The issues are complicated, just as they were when the Irish and Italians were heavily involved in criminal gangs. You aren't talking about that though as it doesn't suit your agenda, which is to attack blacks and Democrats. These also were marginalized groups, were stereotyped, and called epithets. Many Democrats focus on addressing racism, improving education, expanding opportunity, thus reducing poverty, and thus less motivation toward crime. Nonetheless the lure of easy money will always be there just as it was during Prohibition. That said, the vast majority of blacks are law abiding and hard working, and do not live in poverty. That's the whole picture, while your talking points are lies and half-truths that lead to false, politically expedient conclusions. Of course no one should be surprised by that.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2562812]But go on boys, keep talking about those "racist" Republicans of 50 years ago.[/QUOTE]And this while you find relevance in the acts of Democrats during the slavery era? LOL It's back to the pot calling the kettle black, but I addressed that argument in another post. I came back for the above as I had some extra time. 50 years ago huh? Sadly the Repubs got a load of that going on in the here and now, which is covered in other posts. That especially holds true since Trump is holding the party hostage. And I'll add this, the more you forward these spurious arguments downplaying and denying racism, the more resistance you are going to encounter. That's just how it is. It's our country also, and we have votes and voices.

And Lula was better?

This is the wrong site for politics probably.

But yeah at least in Brazil Bolsanaro can be a normal guy, tell ugly women they are ugly and he wouldn't have sex with them, and laugh it off.

The point of American politics is you have to look at ugly women and like it.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2563069]Seriously, no sarcasm.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2562972]The guy still hasn't figured out that Fox News is part of a large corporation, as are a number of other conservative media outlets. But fuck, we can't let truth get in the way wingnut social media talking points. Wink.[/QUOTE]Hey Paulie,

Thanks for taking what I said out of context and distorting my point intentionally. But that is what you do. You & PVMonger.

I have gone back and skimmed through your last 200 out of 294 total posts and guess what? Just like with PVMonger's posts, there is not 1 post written by you about girls, picking up girls, or shagging girls. Not one! 98% of your posts are political and argumentative whether posted in this thread or the Colombia thread or the FKK Club thread. Approximately 2% of your posts are non-political, but this small number of posts are always comments about another member's contribution and nothing original in nature and most importantly nothing of value to anyone.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2562694]The only people who believe that antifa are anti American are fascists.

Fascists hate democracy. Just like trump supporters (let's restrict the vote).

Fascists hate liberals. Just like trump supporters.

Fascists love totalitarian. Just like trump supporters.

Fascists love the wealthy. Just like trump supporters (trickle-down economics).

Fascists love the corporations. Just like trump supporters (trump 'tax cuts'.

Fascists love the military values. Just like trump supporters (don't rock the boat).

Fascists believe in one, all powerful cult-like leader. Just like trump supporters (duh).

Fascists love violence. Just like trump supporters (let's run over peaceful protesters like in Charlottesville).

Fascists love blaming others when things go wrong. Just like trump supporters (re: every trump speech).

Fascists hate intelligence. Just like trump supporters.

Fascists hate large cities. Just like trump supporters.

Fascists are misogynists. Just like trump supporters.[/QUOTE]All your description of Antifa is fiction in your twisted mind. The reality is that Antifa is a terrorist group destroying businesses and lives in USA. Burning flags and anti police. That is the reality of Antifa that cities like Portland, Minneapolis, New York and Seattle see every day. You don't acknowledge that in your fantasy life.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2563030]That's it? That's all you got. "I am not Black. " That is racist. Do you even know what Critical Race Theory is?

But fuck me. I can't believe I didn't see it until now. Tonight, I finally became curious and suspicious about you, so I went back over most your posting history all the way to 8/11/2019 covering 125 of your total 198 posts on ISG and guess what? Although you know already what I am going to report: You have not made 1 worthwhile contribution on the subject of girls and sex!

So, I am calling you out. You are not a monger like the rest of us. You are a political troll! A political plant / troublemaker.

Here are the facts: out of 125 posts I found only 1 that even mentioned a girl and only 3 posts that were not political, but those 3 contained no information about "our" hobby. The rest of your posts dated from 8/11/2019 to the present are all political leftwing diatribes and arguments. You have had a few posts in the Colombia thread that have been deleted for their argumentative nature and I think a couple more likewise in the Mexico thread. By my count, therefore, since August 2019 you have posted 118 times out of the total of 125 posts in this thread and only this thread. All highly opinionated and argumentative. Many of your posts are just insulting.

The only reason you come here is to argue and cause dissension. I feel sorry for you, but at the same time, I have no respect for you. You are a Troll![/QUOTE]Ad hominems aren't arguments. Nor does obsessively reading all his posts going back two years amount to any kind of arguments. And who are you of all people to complain about someone being "opinionated" or "argumentative?" That makes as much sense are your calling Democrats Nazis. And in case you didn't notice, this is an off topic political thread. So answer his political arguments instead of flailing in the air trying to hit the messenger.

The main points are.

Covid was man made.

It came from China.

Taiwan is an independent country.

Covid is a smoke screen to take back Taiwan and advance China's further objectives.

American politics has been coopted by Marxists. Antifa, etc.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2563116]And Lula was better?

This is the wrong site for politics probably.

But yeah at least in Brazil Bolsanaro can be a normal guy, tell ugly women they are ugly and he wouldn't have sex with them, and laugh it off.

The point of American politics is you have to look at ugly women and like it.[/QUOTE]

Xpartan,

I respect and like your posts on the rio mongering thread.

But I must respond with respect to economics.

There is one of the highest GINI indexes in Brazil, as in America. GINI is an index of disparity between wealth, rich and poor.

This is an indication that there is a free market at work.

8 dollar pussy is a good indication that the market is functioning, as it should. Capitalism in contrast to Marxism is a good thing, it is part of freedom.

The liberal, marxist leaning press is all in favor of the poorest being empowered as much as possible. Thats fine up to a point. The strength of a democracy, both Amrerica and Brazil is that they could both elect far ends of the spectrum, and change rule peacefully.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2563069].[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2563131]Hey Paulie,

Thanks for taking what I said out of context and distorting my point intentionally. But that is what you do. You & PVMonger.

I have gone back and skimmed through your last 200 out of 294 total posts and guess what? Just like with PVMonger's posts, there is not 1 post written by you about girls, picking up girls, or shagging girls. Not one! 98% of your posts are political and argumentative whether posted in this thread or the Colombia thread or the FKK Club thread. Approximately 2% of your posts are non-political, but this small number of posts are always comments about another member's contribution and nothing original in nature and most importantly nothing of value to anyone.[/QUOTE]In case you hadn't noticed, this is the "American Politics" section.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2563131]Hey Paulie,

Thanks for taking what I said out of context and distorting my point intentionally. But that is what you do. You & PVMonger.

I have gone back and skimmed through your last 200 out of 294 total posts and guess what? Just like with PVMonger's posts, there is not 1 post written by you about girls, picking up girls, or shagging girls. Not one! 98% of your posts are political and argumentative whether posted in this thread or the Colombia thread or the FKK Club thread. Approximately 2% of your posts are non-political, but this small number of posts are always comments about another member's contribution and nothing original in nature and most importantly nothing of value to anyone.[/QUOTE]This is a lie. There are plenty of posts from myself from 2016 to 2019 on the Medellin thread in the Colombia forum regarding the scene there, especially in regard to the downtown / El Centro area. I invite anyone to go have a look. Though since the pandemic there have been a lot of posts on off topic threads such as this one as I haven't been traveling. But folks, back to the subject at hand, American Politics, what do we learn from this butthurt wingnut, from the above post and a similar one to PVMonger? Take him off his playing field and he's a fish out of water. Remove his butt out from in front of the television and Tucker Carlson Tonight, and place him in a venue where he's faced with well sourced facts and points of views counter to his self imposed indoctrination, and he comes unglued. Rather than doing some research to try and come with some decent rebuttals, something besides worn out and easily debunked loaded talking points, he instead stews and obsesses combing through years of post histories of the members that have challenged his pet political opinions. LOL Those of a similar political mindset as myself should feel very encouraged by this. Not only did we make our case to the American people and win, but the wingnuts are truly rattled. Such is the consequence of putting faith in a clown like Trump. And the more they want to deflect by bringing up the Anarchists, Antifa, the score remains 329 to 0, White Supremacists wining the day in kills over the last 25 years. It is no wonder that DHS determined them as our most lethal domestic terrorist threat.

[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/right-wing-extremists-kill-329-since-1994-antifa-killed-none-2020-7[/URL]

[URL]https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/2020_10_06_homeland-threat-assessment.pdf[/URL]

[QUOTE=Canada;2563175]All your description of Antifa is fiction in your twisted mind. The reality is that Antifa is a terrorist group destroying businesses and lives in USA. Burning flags and anti police. That is the reality of Antifa that cities like Portland, Minneapolis, New York and Seattle see every day. You don't acknowledge that in your fantasy life.[/QUOTE]And yet right-wing terrorism is a far greater threat? The only people who [B]don't[/B] believe that are (surprise, surprise) right-wing terrorists and Republicans.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2563249]And yet right-wing terrorism is a far greater threat? The only people who [B]don't[/B] believe that are (surprise, surprise) right-wing terrorists and Republicans.[/QUOTE]Proven time and time again here for at least six months now, with source citations and Trump's own DHS report, a report he tried to stop from publication. Yet it's only ignored while the same talking points are repeated ad nauseam. The little Trumps learned from their master well. Ignore, keep lying, cut on the cap key, and use exclamation marks in place of periods. Wink.

[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/right-wing-extremists-kill-329-since-1994-antifa-killed-none-2020-7[/URL]

[URL]https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/2020_10_06_homeland-threat-assessment.pdf[/URL]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2563248]This is a lie. There are plenty of posts from myself from 2016 to 2019 on the Medellin thread in the Colombia forum regarding the scene there, especially in regard to the downtown / El Centro area. I invite anyone to go have a look. [/QUOTE]I just did. A search of all your posts shows a total of 299 posts in 12 pages. I found no posts with your name on them describing the Medellin punting scene first hand or actual trip reports. Did the rest somehow mysteriously vanish?

If you have actually made any real contributions to the ISG forum as you claim, other than your political diatribes and rare comments about someone else's reportage, please post a link to them.