Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=XXL;2549636]I find this emphasis on GFE funny, because speaking for myself, the last thing I want from a sexual relationship is (girl)friendship to be in the way. As soon as I become friends with a woman, she ceases to appear to me as a pure sex object and I go off her. That maybe the reason why I don't like to buy girls drink before we go to the room. The less I come to know a girl, the better the sex with her. Taking a girl along on a beach holiday presents me with a dilemma too: either we have a good time as friends together but the sex goes downhill, or we have great sex because we remain strangers or even half hostile to one another. I have a fucked up brain.

I visited a Real Doll (sexbot) brothel in Dormund (Germany) twice. The technology is not rife regarding adopting positions, but once it is, no more bio-women for me for sure.[/QUOTE]Lol. I am not interested in a GF "relationship" with a P4P girl either. Just the "Experience" of the kind of sex classically associated with what two people in love as BF+GF would have.

Actually, many P4P girls are the ones all too often pushing for a boyfriend "relationship" with customers they lobby hard to repeat. That is, help them with this or that problem unrelated to getting sex for this amount of time for this amount of money directly.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2549672]Lol. I am not interested in a GF "relationship" with a P4P girl either. Just the "Experience" of the kind of sex classically associated with what two people in love as BF+GF would have.[/QUOTE]Same for me and there is time limit of 2 hours. I haven't done overnight with a hooker for about 3 years. I don't pay girls for sex, I pay them to leave. If I want a relationship (and I do), the selection is from a completely different pool of girls.

[QUOTE=BillMiami;2549390]This is absolutely false, of the 2,000 or so ladies I have been with over the years 100% provide GFE. This guy has NO idea what he is talking about...[/QUOTE]You make the statement that 100% of your sessions have been GFE, yet everybody knows that's impossible in the P4 P world, no matter how you define GFE. Then you turn around and state that the monger has no idea what he is talking about. Not sure what to say about that, Mind boggling!

[QUOTE=Horatio;2549576]The part I'm bad at is when a girl pulls me into bar and she sits right next to me kind of hanging on, I feel obligated to buy her a drink when I buy mine.[/QUOTE]

Please try to refrain from doing this. Positive reinforcement encourages them to continue their begging. I have no problem saying no.

[QUOTE=Wolvman;2549385]Only 50 baht goes to girl? Wow, that's a ripoff. The whole concept of bardrinks would make sense if it would go to girl's pocket then she could be nicer to you, instead it's basically scam to extrude cash from nice guys. I think it's better not to buy lady drink and if girl performed well give her a tip, then you reward girl directly and not bar owner.[/QUOTE]In most cases it is only 50 baht per drink. The part that you are missing is that girls get a nice bonus if they meet the bars drink minimum per week. It's different for each bar and even among girls in the same bar. One example may be if the girl can get 50 drinks in a week she will earn 10,000 baht. In some bars a barfine may count as 5 or 10 drinks to the count. Many times if the girl is short 2 or 5 drinks they will buy the drinks themselves so they get the 10 k baht.

Tipping is common. It's why guys at gogo bars like Windmill, Electric Blue, and other skank bars will tip the girl 100 baht instead of buying them a drink to stick a finger or tongue in their pussy for a set. One of my favorite girls in 2015/16 was a cute Windmill girl who used to let me do whatever I wanted to her for my entire stay for 200 baht. Great deal.

I am not stopping either as long as you keep talking your BS or out and out made up cr ap I am going to keep calling you out.

But, I have learned something from reading your post which I want to thank you for. Which is, Pattaya is the only place in the world where you DO NOT need money to have an awesome time with the ladies. Who knew?

If that wasn't the case, why would people keep bragging about never buying a girl a drink or not spending enough to get a lady drunk. You surely wouldn't want to get the reputation as a "Cheap Charely" with the ladies, because everybody knows they can't wait till one of those guys walk in.

And if you have lived here long enough which most of seem to assert, then you know very well what kind of memory these ladies have, and it's a lot better than any of ours.

OK, enough comedy, now a little knowledge for the guys that haven't been here yet. Most Thai girls in these bars love having fun as well as getting drunk. And before one of these guys mention it, of course the ladies get a little money every time you buy them a drink. And in most cases, but not all, you get $50 worth of fun and entertainment for a $5 drink. Who wins? I do of course, I wish all my investments brought me a 1000% ROI in a few minutes.

Look, seriously, in most cases, but again, not all you don't want the nicest looking girl in the bar, but the one that likes you the most who also happens to be a little crazy. And if she had been drinking before you got there, all the better.

Which is why buying them a few drinks before taking them upstairs is a MUST. Which is exactly why I always have a blast. While they are sitting with you, it's possible to put them on your lap and see who grinds the best, which ones are grabbing you all over especially in the right spot, or which lets you do pretty much anything you want to them before you make your decision. And if you don't like the first one, just get rid of her and find a couple more and start the whole process all over.

I don't know if you would call my last escapade on Soi 6 this week a GFE or just a GMGFE experience, but since some of you seem to know these definitions so much better than I do, why don't you come up with the correct phrase to title my last afternoon interlude.

I had been to 2 or 3 bars, bought a few girls drinks and had not found what I was looking for. Down near the end of the street near Beach Road on the left hand side they had the cutest little things dressed in stewardess uniforms, of course I had to go in, buy a few drinks to see if I could find a few ladies that I wanted to hang out with.

And I hit a home-run, not only was she sexy as hell, she was all over me as soon as I sat down and got her and her friend some drinks. I didn't even finish my first drink when I said "pay bar and room", and let's go.

After the normal shower routine, I laid on the bed and had one on the left and right of my french kissing each other while I slapped the hell out of both of their asses. The wild one really liked it and I thought to myself, I bet I could do just about anything within reason to this girl.

Next, of course I had to review their oral experience while the other one was practicing her oral technique on my chest and / or french kissing me. Of course they had to reverse their positions so I could give each one of them a proper grade at the end of the session. And that was just the beginning, use your imagination as to what happened for the next couple of hours. If you can think of it, it more than likely happened.

We will let the experts decide rather this was a real GFE, a GMGFE or just a run of the mill encounter.

NEXT POST: How I grope 50 or more women in a couple of hours, and better yet, have them come up to me pulling down their tops and bottoms for me to bless them.

And for all the haters, before you start hating once again, I tell you which bar I am going to and what time I am going to be there for you to come and either confirm what I am saying or call me out for being one more BS'er.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2549678]You make the statement that 100% of your sessions have been GFE, yet everybody knows that's impossible in the P4 P world, no matter how you define GFE. Then you turn around and state that the monger has no idea what he is talking about. Not sure what to say about that, Mind boggling![/QUOTE]555 now this is getting interesting. Debate of what is the correct definition of GFE. Would need a new separate thread for that as I would expect there is close to as many variations as there is boyfriends and girlfriends. I have had few real GFs, and have to say each of them provided pretty different experience.

My experience is that quite a few of the real GFs I had actually did not provide 'proper' expected GFE in the sex department, recall one (short timed one) that was a total starfish in bed as she did not feel anything but she knew that good GF lets BF fuck (and she did as much as needed), probably no nerves in pussy or something. And recall one long-time (years) GF where the later times prior to splitting were rather unpleasant, no sex, plenty of yakyak and silent treatment etc. Still GFE I guess as she was GF in the real meaning.

And to compensate that, (suprisingly) many of the hookers actually provided very good perceived GFE for and hour or even a night+morning, though far from 100% of them.

Then there are very different expectations from male part as well. Some even like their GF to tie him down, put rubber to asshole and beat with a whip while managing the rubber.

Just define it as 'woman lets man fuck her in at one or more of her holes' and you are getting close to 100% of hit rate among P4 P providers!

Narrow it down with anything (like adding'. Behaving as if she would enjoy the time') or to match with personal expectations for various components, 100% sure the hit rate will start dropping.

better just enjoy fucking and dont worry too much whether it was GFE or not!

[QUOTE=Horatio;2549576]The part I'm bad at is when a girl pulls me into bar and she sits right next to me kind of hanging on, I feel obligated to buy her a drink when I buy mine.[/QUOTE]If she gave you entertainment there is nothing wrong about buying her drinks. But instead of guilt and 'obligation' you should look for 'value'. If she brought value by giving you good time, making you smile, hugging etc. You may reward her with drink if money is not issue for you but buying drinks for nothing, for value not provided, spoils girls as they will expect this from you and other customers and it will spoil experience for everybody. It also makes you look like sucker in girl's eyes, girls don't respect guys who throw money on them for nothing. Make her work for reward and they will love it.

If girl is friendly and gives me good time I always reward her with drinks but not because I feel obligated but because she provided entertainment.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2549678]You make the statement that 100% of your sessions have been GFE, yet everybody knows that's impossible in the P4 P world, no matter how you define GFE. Then you turn around and state that the monger has no idea what he is talking about. Not sure what to say about that, Mind boggling![/QUOTE]He: I had a girlfriend experience yesterday.

She: he he he I had 5 boyfriend experiences yesterday. All I had to do was smile, kiss him, tell him he was very nice and I made an extra 3000 in tips. He he good business this GFE.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2549678]You make the statement that 100% of your sessions have been GFE, yet everybody knows that's impossible in the P4 P world, no matter how you define GFE. Then you turn around and state that the monger has no idea what he is talking about. Not sure what to say about that, Mind boggling![/QUOTE]If the gentleman (Bill Miami) lives here I can believe him. Because now that I've lived here (Bangkok not Pattaya) for 3 years I never have a bad session anymore, or at least so seldom that I can say never. When I used to visit while on Holiday and the first years that I lived here I had my share of so-so sessions, but the last 2 years and especially since Covid-19 and the lack of tourists I cannot remember a bad session. Ever since this was posted I have been trying to remember a bad or mediocre session and I can't remember one.

I think it took me a year to get well known enough in the bars that I frequent and that long to learn how to talk to Thai ladies so that I can achieve this success rate. Thai ladies will do anything that you want and they can be very passionate but you have to learn how to ask or tell them what you want. You can ask anything and can even change their initial response if you can ask without being rude. It's not what you think is being rude it's how she thinks if you're being rude or not. I can now have the same discussions that I tried to have 2 years ago when they said I was rude but now I'm no longer considered rude. I'm not saying that the girl always agrees to my terms but at least we can have the conversation and at the end I say well then we can just be drinking friends and I buy her another drink (if it's one of my regular bars). Most times within a couple of weeks when we're drinking together she tells me that she's ready to go with me now.

The bottom line is that living here makes a world of difference.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2549678]You make the statement that 100% of your sessions have been GFE, yet everybody knows that's impossible in the P4 P world, no matter how you define GFE. Then you turn around and state that the monger has no idea what he is talking about. Not sure what to say about that, Mind boggling![/QUOTE]The known inconsistency and unpredictability of human behavior, combined with mere probability, means there is no way in hell that somebody with 2,000 encounters with prostitutes received a quality GFE 100% of the time. That's nothing but pure hyperbole! Think about it. Did you get 2,000 perfect GFE's from your "real civilian" girlfriend who you didn't have to ask "how much"? Or how about from your wife LOL! Come on! There are mongers here with deep experience who weren't born yesterday.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2549605]That makes it very difficult for me to take recommendations seriously from punters who say things like they've had thousands of P4P sessions over many years and 100% of them were "positive, pleasant sexual sucesses", never had a bad experience, never had a reason to complain, don't know anyone else who had a bad experience or a reason to complain either and so on.[/QUOTE]Maybe if someone said ever in life it would be hard to believe. But I have mongered in countless countries and I am not saying that every chick in the world that I have been with has been GFE. There are countries known for GFE and I am pretty much near 100% in those places. Thailand is one. Brazil is another.

I get ragged on in the Domimican thread because I complain about the non-GFE there while most guys that have never mongered in other countries to them it is all supreme. They say why do I continue to go to the country if all I have is complaints. And I am like go somewhere like Brazil or Thailand so you can have something to compare it to and open your eyes to see the raw deal you are continuously getting.

Natty Bumpo is in Brazil right now. Months ago when he was planning the trip, I told him that if he had a bad session there then I would pay for it. Go read his reports in the Rio thread. He seems to be at 100% so far to the tune that he is giving out $20 tips to chicks, while I rarely pay more than $20 there for the entire session.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2549605]That makes it very difficult for me to take recommendations seriously from punters who say things like they've had thousands of P4P sessions over many years and 100% of them were "positive, pleasant sexual sucesses", never had a bad experience, never had a reason to complain, don't know anyone else who had a bad experience or a reason to complain either and so on.

I mean, realistically speaking, for all he or anyone else knows, such a punter has been having just ok sex sessions with every P4P lady he has ever been with and might be shocked to start having truly great ones if only he experimented with doing the opposite of everything he's done and recommended up to now.[/QUOTE]Because those of us who have lived long enough, and there are plenty of us here, we know from direct experience that as a rule life doesn't work that way. That every single interaction that we have with another human being goes 100% exactly the way we want it to. Now, when it comes to prostitution, if you're good at what you do as a monger, then most of your encounters can indeed be quite good by most objective measures. But to sit there and proclaim that out of thousands and thousands of sessions they all have been 100% on point is totally unbelievable. Pure hyperbole. And that view isn't anything about being a "hater". It's an acknowledgement of the realities of life and living, and dealing with other people, including each of our own selves as individuals and as customers.

In terms of good sessions with ladies, Pattaya is certainly in the top 3 destinations, along with Brazil and Russia. Probably the best session I ever had, in terms of work ethic, was in Pattaya, with a lady who was a total pro. When I paid her for Long Time, she would fuck me even if I didn't ask her, she just did it, day time, night time, whenever. The only time a lady refused to stop fucking when I came, until I came again. I almost died.

But, everything is closed now, for 2 weeks+. Very sad.

I don't want GFE. In Real Life, GFE means you have to make your girlfriend happy. That could mean a lot of work. I had a girlfriend who needed 2 hours of fucking to cum. NO fun.

What I want is the 3 minute fuck, so I don't have to worry about the lady. That's what mongering should be about. If I want GFE, I'll get a G.