Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=DwayneJohnson;1722509]Gogo's and coyote are ruining what was once pussy paradise.[/QUOTE]I would say yes to a certain extent. Dudes who pay those prices at GoGos have ruined the paradise. I voted with my feet long ago.

[QUOTE=DwayneJohnson;1722509] If one wants real quality GFE then ratchada MP's are way better than gogo's. I am talking about average hit ratio, once in a while I get lucky and baccarra hottie also turns out to be wild sex maniac so those pure luck incidents do not impact statistics.[/QUOTE]I don't find Ratchada MPs to be any better for GFE hit ratio. Maybe I am too old. The problem is not being able to assess the girl that well before buying other than by looks. Also cannot predict how badly she will freeze up once sees your clothes off and hard-on. Too many girls expect a quickie fuck, and claim pain with slightest penetration. They are more used to Asian customers. Had much better luck in CPII between twenty years to 10 years ago.

Sure Bacarra is not the best hunting ground. To much adjustment, looking like aliens in there. However, once I could find a suitable natural girl in there (not easy), most were quite good for performance, having assessed chemistry. Don't remember any bad ones (poor memory?) and remember 3 very good GFE girls. So actually my Bacarra hit ratio is probably better than my Ratachada Soapies ratio. I exclude my regular Amsterdam girl (no risk since know her long time). However I left Bacarra many times (over 50%) empty handed, going to a different bar.

Gogos have been around virtually forever. They are not ruining anything. They have less business than they did years ago. LBs and Coyotes maybe are spoiling things a little however customers don't have to go there. Gogos are a place for girls to work where they don't have to fuck all night to make a living, and can choose their customers, and knock back others. The great looking girls will get customers easily, so less incentive to perform well. Others with average looks need to collect regular customers and so have to perform well.

Chocolate at Crazy House surprises me. I tried her once long ago at Doll House and she wasn't very good on the bed, looks not that special. Now I see she gets BFed quite early each night in CH. I don't understand why? Perhaps she is extra naughty? Old guys seem to like her.

I still like the beautiful curves of the more stunning naked girls. Its better also for guys that do not need to continually change girls since I make a collection of known good performers and only occasionally try a new girl when she is just too good looking to resist. Still plenty of good enthusiastic performers exist, and plenty of crap ones too. However I can find a dick scared girl in almost any style of shop other than the PSE ones. I don't need PSE. I like fun GFE.

Those that don't like gogos, simply don't attend. There are thousands of MPs to choose from.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1722297]I believe the rest. But Rawhide? I thought the same person that owns Long Gun (Lucky Star) owns Rawhide. The employees from the 2 seem to go back and forth. Why isn't Long Gun on your list?[/QUOTE]Rawhide would be a mistake. Its not worth visiting in my opinion, crappy girls when I looked in there, but is the odd one out on the list. Was affiliated with Lucky Star (Long Gun). Haven't heard of any recent change.

Cowboy 2 has Coyotes but is not owned by the "Arab" so has different rules. Doll House has 2 or 3 coyote girls but mostly gogo girls and full nudity. Line up was down for uite a while but I may check again as saw a pretty staff member outside there a couple of days back. Tilac has some Coyote style girls as well, which I don't really approve of. Gyrating pelvis in jean cutoffs is just not really doing it for me. I like to see the tits and ass uncovered. Not many Coyotes on Cowboy are really that stunning, especially if excluding the "Arab" bars.

Lighthouse is closely affiliated with Sharks I believe. It replaced Sheba which was affiliated with Suzie Wong.

Cockatoo should definitely be avoided since its a LB bar. Deja Vu had 2 or 3 LBs also last time I looked (long ago), so Cowboy is no longer completely safe from LBs. They want to invade everywhere. Years ago was a big plus for Cowboy that could be sure there were no LBs.

The hottest looking natural naked girls are still in Crazy House to my taste (I like slim girls. Big tits not needed but have some of those too).

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;1721697]
I found it a bit difficult to get eye contact in general, but it was probably due to the many guys present so many of the girls were probably spoken for already. But after a while I started talking to just about the only girl who wasn't naked when on stage, go figure. Can't remember her name, but she had a nice figure with a bit more hip than most of them, plus a nice set of natural tits. She told me she wanted 6000 bht for LT, and even though I felt it was a bit high and generally don't like when they talk money that quick, I still ended up barfining her and took her back to my hotel.
[/QUOTE]Some girls don't want to do LT, so will quote extra high prices for it. The No. 1 girl in Suzie Wong can get several STs per night making maybe 2 K to 2. 5 K on each, so she doesn't like to do LT at all, unless she knows the customer well, or he wants to pay a huge amount. She claims she can hardly sleep if not in her own bed.

LT just isn't really a great idea anymore, except with your very regular girls that are known to be worth the price. A girl may set a lower price for it very late like 2 AM after she already did a ST or two. The big advantage of ST, is that if the girl is not great, you can straight away go get another one to replace her. Save LT for girls you know well.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1722404]I doubt it. Long Gun is one of the clubs that tells Arabs they aren't allowed in without a membership. Doesn't make much sense for them to discriminate against Arabs if it's owned by an Arab. I doubt that Rawhide is owned by him either. His clubs are the ones with those ridiculous Coyote girls. Neither of those clubs have Coyote girls. I think Tilac bar is the only bar with Coyote dancers that he doesn't own.[/QUOTE]Although "the Iranian" is sometimes referred to as an Arab, Iranians as a rule are not Arabs; they are Persians. From what I gather Persians don't particularly care for Arabs either, although about that I don't know a lot.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1722719]Rawhide would be a mistake. Its not worth visiting in my opinion, crappy girls when I looked in there[/QUOTE]It goes in cycles. I can remember the days when Tilac bar had a lot of stunners working there that were not coyote girls. That doesn't seem to be the case anymore. Back around 2000, Long Gun had some absolute stunners. That also doesn't seem to be the case anymore either. Baccara usually has some good talent, but the traffic there is ridiculous, and it's not often I take a girl from there who is a good shag. Most of the hotter girls at Baccara prefer Japanese guys. I think they get used to not having to do anything other than lay there a few seconds waiting for you to cum. I haven't been to Bangkok in a few months. But the last time I was in town, I had the best luck in Rawhide. There aren't a lot of stunners in there, but there are a couple. I think Rawhide has the youngest girls on soi cowboy (not all of them, but the good ones). I prefer watching young girls (18 and over, of course) dance naked over watching a 30 year old at places like Tilac wearing clothes or watching the coyote girls dance who are just prick teases. Unfortunately, those younger girls in Rawhide can rarely ever speak a word of English, but their bodies sure are nice. I think all of these bars have the occasional gem, so there aren't any of them I won't at least give a shot. Other than the Lady Boy bars. And just because you don't find a gem one night doesn't mean there won't be one the next...

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1722719]
Cowboy 2 has Coyotes but is not owned by the "Arab" so has different rules. [/QUOTE]In all my years visiting Bangkok, that is the only bar that has ever tried to rip me off by padding the bill. (at least as far as I know) I just happened to be sober that night so it was easy for me to spot the added charges to the bill. I used to enjoy that bar, but I won't go back. It looks like it's almost all Coyote for the past couple of years anyway.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1721754]6 k for LT? I think that's the highest I've read in bkk and patttaya forums for an agogo girl. I hope this isn't the going rate for CH girls unless they're superior to warrant the higher rate.[/QUOTE]No its certainly not the going rate, and the service for sure did not warrant that rate either. Half that price would have been more reasonable, maybe. Frankly I don't know why I said OK, on any other day I wouldn't even have given her a second glance if she put that figure forward. Probably I had one beer to many.

I remember a couple of years ago when I was passing Lumpini park in a cab lateniight and I saw a lot of freelancers.

Does anybody here have experience with that spot?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1722879]It looks like it's almost all Coyote for the past couple of years anyway.[/QUOTE]Isn't the definition of a Coyote dancer a girl who is not a working girl but is paid by the club to only dance (ie. Chances of picking one up for LT is the same as picking up the waitress or bartender, like in Coyote Ugly)? Has it taken on a different meaning in Thailand that they are still working girls but able to charge a higher barfine and LT rate?

Padding the bill. When you guys mention bill padding how bad is it? Say I walked into Spice Girls, ordered 1 drink and a lady drink for a gogo dancer I wanted to take for ST / LT. Normal price would be about 200-250 baht for the 2 drinks. How much would the padded bill be? Are we talking 500-600 baht or 2000-2500 baht?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1722225]Here is a list of the bars to be careful of in Soi Cowboy. There's also a few in the Patpong area in Pattaya (the ones promoting ping pong shows). I don't know all the bars but ones that overcharge are the rare exception, definitely not the norm. Don't let it sway you from visiting random bars you think look interesting. It will ruin your trip worrying about these little things.[/QUOTE]I can definitely confirm that Spice Girls should be avoided at all cost. Went there about a year ago, ending up with a 13 K bill. Okay, we did have quite a few drinks. But 13 K?

In addition, the sexy little thing who I wasted my evening on, did not provide any kind of service, but instead asked me to buy her a teddy bear when we got outside. Seriously. A teddy bear!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1723122]Isn't the definition of a Coyote dancer a girl who is not a working girl but is paid by the club to only dance (ie. Chances of picking one up for LT is the same as picking up the waitress or bartender, like in Coyote Ugly)? Has it taken on a different meaning in Thailand that they are still working girls but able to charge a higher barfine and LT rate?

Padding the bill. When you guys mention bill padding how bad is it? Say I walked into Spice Girls, ordered 1 drink and a lady drink for a gogo dancer I wanted to take for ST / LT. Normal price would be about 200-250 baht for the 2 drinks. How much would the padded bill be? Are we talking 500-600 baht or 2000-2500 baht?[/QUOTE]I've heard it used both ways, but in my experience I've just had to pay a slightly higher barfine for a coyote. It also seems that the LT rates for girls who were barfined as a "coyote" too. However, it might just be some excuse to get more money from us.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1722225]Here is a list of the bars to be careful of in Soi Cowboy. There's also a few in the Patpong area in Pattaya (the ones promoting ping pong shows). I don't know all the bars but ones that overcharge are the rare exception, definitely not the norm. Don't let it sway you from visiting random bars you think look interesting. It will ruin your trip worrying about these little things.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Syzygies;1722728]Some girls don't want to do LT, so will quote extra high prices for it. The No. 1 girl in Suzie Wong can get several STs per night making maybe 2 K to 2. 5 K on each, so she doesn't like to do LT at all, unless she knows the customer well, or he wants to pay a huge amount. She claims she can hardly sleep if not in her own bed.

LT just isn't really a great idea anymore, except with your very regular girls that are known to be worth the price. A girl may set a lower price for it very late like 2 AM after she already did a ST or two. The big advantage of ST, is that if the girl is not great, you can straight away go get another one to replace her. Save LT for girls you know well.[/QUOTE]I agree with you, ST is preferable if you're just looking to get off and you can jump ship if not good.

If there's real chemistry then LT can be great, and you are more likely to want them to be there in the morning.

[QUOTE=Dinotrex;1722216]Thanks Carp. I've been reading that some bars can rip you off in terms of how much they can charge per drink. Is this the case if I walk into any bar? Or do I just have to worry about buying multiple drinks for the girls? I'd hate to walk into a bar and worry about paying a crazy fee just for one beer. Especially worried about causing a scene over a few drinks but not wanting to get crazy ripped off.[/QUOTE]Just ask the girls about the price of the lady drinks before getting them one, they will not take offense. And you will be able to see what bill you're building up in the bin. Just avoid the places mentioned in the other post here, and you will be fine. Unlike the European strip club scene, prices are not generally crazy rip offs in BKK.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1722719]The hottest looking natural naked girls are still in Crazy House to my taste (I like slim girls. Big tits not needed but have some of those too).[/QUOTE]Syzygies,

Since you're a regular at CH. I saw a girl there with a patterned tattoos down her back on covering her ass completely. Normally I shy away from overly tattoed girls, but this actually looked rather sexy. If you know who I am talking about, is she any good?