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[QUOTE=Scorchin;1724699]To 'chat'about LBs find another site. Just because it is 2015 it does not mean that the policy should be changed. I find myself in total didageement with those who constantly use the cliche "times have moved on" to justify unnecessary change.[/QUOTE]Agreed. I for one don't think LB activities belong on this forum.
[QUOTE=Scorchin;1724699]To 'chat'about LBs find another site. Just because it is 2015 it does not mean that the policy should be changed. I find myself in total didageement with those who constantly use the cliche "times have moved on" to justify unnecessary change.[/QUOTE]Ohh forgot to mention that it is discrimination even if it was 1015. Time has moved on does not mean change the policy, it just means discrimination is more visible now and opposition to discrimination is more vocal.
I don't give a damn if interested member discuss it here or anywhere else but discrimination is a discrimination, it is not a change induced on old folks by young and dumb.
[QUOTE=DwayneJohnson;1724681]It is a discriminatory policy. May be when ISG started LGBT was a huge taboo but this is 2015, things have changed dramatically. Is there a way to debate existing policies.
[/QUOTE]No, it is not discriminatory. "Discrimination" is usually defined as "treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit".
This is not what the "ban" here on discussing sex with LBs is about. Actually discussing anything except subjects of sexual behaviour (and related issues) between men and women are banned here: "This website is about sex between men who were always men and women who were always women" as the Forum Rules & Guidelines state. It is exactly as wrong to discuss the finer points of the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics here as it is to discuss where to find LBs.
What you see as "discrimination" is actually just the scope of the forum. Anyone, man, woman or in-between is welcome to join this forum and discuss the subjects that are validly addressed here.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1724714]No, it is not discriminatory. "Discrimination" is usually defined as "treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit".
This is not what the "ban" here on discussing sex with LBs is about. Actually discussing anything except subjects of sexual behaviour (and related issues) between men and women are banned here: "This website is about sex between men who were always men and women who were always women" as the Forum Rules & Guidelines state. It is exactly as wrong to discuss the finer points of the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics here as it is to discuss where to find LBs.
What you see as "discrimination" is actually just the scope of the forum. Anyone, man, woman or in-between is welcome to join this forum and discuss the subjects that are validly addressed here.[/QUOTE]In line with newer research trends in the history of sexuality, health practices, medical styles and LGTB recommendations (most predominantly Western so far.) there should be a strong social and ethnic acceptance of the difference between transgender and sexuality.
This view consequently advises "adoption by others of the name and pronouns identified by the person in question". Which means, basically, that a person that identifies herself as female, no matter any "surgical status" ("pre- "post", "non-) is a female.
In my (quite limited) knowledge of Thai perception of "Kathoey" this includes a permanent reference to this person as "she". This is definitely the norm that I have experienced myself within the (middle class) Thai network I have interacted with. If that person also identifies herself as female heterosexual, she's in scope of the site. IMHO defining "all the time" in the sense as "was also born with male / female genitals", you send the perception of gender 50-60 years back in time, when deviance from the two strict definitions of gender and sexuality was treated with force, medicine, prison and what's worse.
Being fucked by a heterosexual LB that refers to herself permanently as "she", with or without a dick, IMO is the same as being fucked in any other ass-play or strap-on variant.
I will of course respect any stricter definition by Jackson. And maybe this topic should be moved to another thread.
[QUOTE=Bearsk;1724698]Someone asked about MILFs last week.
I had an unexpected free night in BKK after no trip for almost 2 years and after a meal ventured to the BG.
After a little time a somewhat anxious looking lady sat down the bar from me.
After a while I bought her a drink and struck up conversation.
Lek 35 yo Northern Isaan, high cheekbones, braces on teeth, passable to good English, works for export / import company. Recently started do Bar before day off. Dress in office wear. Nice high heels, neat skirt and top. No tattoos. Slightly drunk and giggle after second beer.
LT, after a shy start, hot and horny, excellent in all aspects. Slim, small BS but big dark nipples, soft skin, no stretch marks. Really nice. WIR. If I get chance on return, maybe a regular.[/QUOTE]It is good news that semi-pro free lancers will work this venue in competition with the regular population of street hardened pros.
Prediction: All these recent LB posts will be deleted by Jackson. The Copenhagen Interpretation (Quantum Mechanics) is a more acceptable topic on the ISG. LOL.
Personally I side with Einstein who said, "I, at any rate, am convinced that he (God) does not throw dice."
Bohr's response was very interesting however, "Do you really think the moon isn't there if you aren't looking at it?"
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1724748]Prediction: All these recent LB posts will be deleted by Jackson. The Copenhagen Interpretation (Quantum Mechanics) is a more acceptable topic on the ISG. LOL.
Personally I side with Einstein who said, "I, at any rate, am convinced that he (God) does not throw dice."
Bohr's response was very interesting however, "Do you really think the moon isn't there if you aren't looking at it?"[/QUOTE]I retreat from Heisenberg's summary of the mysterious Copenhagen meeting, in fear of a ban right before my summer Thailand tour is coming up!
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1724748]Prediction: All these recent LB posts will be deleted by Jackson. The Copenhagen Interpretation (Quantum Mechanics) is a more acceptable topic on the ISG. LOL.
Personally I side with Einstein who said, "I, at any rate, am convinced that he (God) does not throw dice."
Bohr's response was very interesting however, "Do you really think the moon isn't there if you aren't looking at it?"[/QUOTE]Bohr wasn't a stubborn old man and made peace with the change, his response was "Einstein, don't tell God what to do. ".
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1724211]In that area I think the majority of men are going "solo" although you probably won't stay alone for a long time. Besides, it is one of the busiest areas of Bangkok, so it is never deserted, any time day or night.
Pickpockets are probably the worst risk and crossing the street when not fully sober is really something to avoid.
Of course, don't go courting risks and walk into the unlighted alleys of the sidestreets of the sidestreets, you never know what hides in the shadows there (lizards, mangy dogs, down-on-their-luck farangs, . . .)![/QUOTE]A friend and I were walking on Suk and we had just finished dinner. Not paying attention to the crowds. In a dark area a lady appeared and grabbed my buddies balls and he was shocked and just stopped. She was talking about come fuc* me, At the same time she put her hand in his pocket and took a fistful of money. Jumped on the back of a motorbike and off they went.
It is a natural reaction to think about your family jewels and ignore the hand in your pocket. Always pay attention to your surroundings.
RL.
[QUOTE=JeanSean;1724743]In my (quite limited) knowledge of Thai perception of "Kathoey" this includes a permanent reference to this person as "she". [/QUOTE]Not really. Thai language is convenient in that the 2nd /3rd person pronouns (like khun / another site / khao / mun) are all gender-neutral. Therefore, nobody is forced to refer to them as either "he" or "she". In polite Thai one would refer to them as "females of the second kind" (pooying brapayt song), but not be compelled to use the same term as for full females. Kathoeys themselves use gender-specific particles like "ka" or 1st person pronouns (like chan / noo), and that is accepted.
My girlfriend's younger brother conducted a study in college on the sexual habits of foreigners in Thailand, divided into the categories of sex tourist and expat. His research suggested that out of the sex tourists, 45% had sexual encounters with LB. The findings with expats was interesting.
Japanese and Korean expats - 45% said they had LB sex.
Germans - 60%.
UK - 35%.
USA and Canada - 30%.
India - 75%.
Australia - 25%.
Russia - 5%.
[QUOTE=TonyHoeprano;1724898]My girlfriend's younger brother conducted a study in college on the sexual habits of foreigners in Thailand, divided into the categories of sex tourist and expat. His research suggested that out of the sex tourists, 45% had sexual encounters with LB. The findings with expats was interesting.
Japanese and Korean expats - 45% said they had LB sex.
Germans - 60%.
UK - 35%.
USA and Canada - 30%.
India - 75%.
Australia - 25%.
Russia - 5%.[/QUOTE]How was the survey conducted? Now is that with pre or post LB? Numbers might be higher as a certain % would deny admitting to encounters.
[QUOTE=TonyHoeprano;1724898]My girlfriend's younger brother conducted a study in college on the sexual habits of foreigners in Thailand, divided into the categories of sex tourist and expat. His research suggested that out of the sex tourists, 45% had sexual encounters with LB. The findings with expats was interesting.
Japanese and Korean expats - 45% said they had LB sex.
Germans - 60%.
UK - 35%.
USA and Canada - 30%.
India - 75%.
Australia - 25%.
Russia - 5%.[/QUOTE]Was this study published anywhere? I'd like to read it and evaluate the methodology used to reach these statistics as well as take a deeper look at the actual statistics (e.g., it is unclear from your presentation which statistics are for sex tourists, and which for expats).
On the other hand, if it was just some sort of unpublished college project for an undergraduate course, I would be highly skeptical as to its accuracy as doing this sort of research is fraught with all sorts of methodological problems.
[QUOTE=DwayneJohnson;1724681]It is a discriminatory policy. May be when ISG started LGBT was a huge taboo but this is 2015, things have changed dramatically. Is there a way to debate existing policies.
[/QUOTE]Things may have changed dramatically in your mind. I have been in Thailand on and off for over 20 years. I don't see that much change really. My tastes have become a bit more fussy or picky. Otherwise no change.
Of course this Forum has a topic. The Admin people do not want posters to stray from the topic. It irritates me already how many posts in the Bangkok thread have nothing to do with sex. This is not a Bangkok general tourism forum. I believe the General thread should be used for off topic stuff.
It would be a huge turn off to me, if discussing gay activities was included in the forum scope.
I don't believe that a discussion about changes to the forum rules will be fruitful. Even if you want to discuss blow age sex, the rules state that it is out of bounds.
The people that run it, probably thought these rules out. If you don't like the forum rules, you can go to a forum whose topic is what you want, or you merely belong to multiple forums with multiple topics.
[QUOTE=JeanSean;1724743]
Being fucked by a heterosexual LB that refers to herself permanently as "she", with or without a dick, IMO is the same as being fucked in any other ass-play or strap-on variant.
I will of course respect any stricter definition by Jackson. And maybe this topic should be moved to another thread.[/QUOTE]While you are correct that LBs refer to themselves and others as "she" in English, and polite others do also, its hardly relevant. This does not turn them into real women. Legally they are not. Psychologically they are not. Anatomically they are not. Many guys having an accidental experience have been psychologically traumatised. Some or most members certainly don't want to read about lurid details of that type of encounters.
Here is the actual rule text from the General Rules page:
"No Discussion about Homosexuals, Transvestites, Transsexuals or She-Males: Please do not post any messages anywhere on this site that refers to Homosexuals, Transvestites, Transsexuals or She-Males. This website is about sex between men who were always men and women who were always women. Any person violating this policy will banned immediately. ".