Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Canyon;1728322]Another question I have concerns free-lancers. In the past, I've had pretty good luck with them. Most of them are not very attractive, of course, but occasionally, I've had pretty good success. I know there's Thermae and the Biergarden, but sometimes I have found some good ones on the street. Has anyone had good luck in certain areas finding FL's that are reasonably attractive and fairly young?[/QUOTE]Try the Nana Hotel sidewalk and parking lot (NPL) which is directly across from the Nana Entertainment Plaza on Sukhumvit Soi 4. The best time to catch FL's which fit your criteria would be Thursday / Friday / Saturday nights beginning at dusk.

Please be aware that the later it gets in the evening the greater the chance of LB's entering the mix, although they generally seem to stay on NEP side of the street.

SL.

[QUOTE=Zahle;1727465]RE: Can you be more specific on the Arcade? [/QUOTE]There is an arcade between soi 11 and the Ambassador Hotel (I think you can continue on through the hotel parking lot to soi 13, but I haven't done that route in many years.).

Between the two entrances to Villa Mart there are probably 5 or 6 MPs with talent and looks of varying quality. Probably a decade ago, I banged a lady named "Apple" a couple of times and I wrote the field report in the Forum somewhere. Short version is, I was looking for a BJ and she stripped naked and almost forceably took me. So, I took her back to my room on a couple of later visits. Before you start asking for contact details, while she is still on soi 11, she has gained AT LEAST 15 kg.

Anyway, I have seen a couple of attractive women in that arcade over the last year or two, when shopping at Villa Mart, but I've always been otherwise occupied.

I hope this helps and I look forward to later reports. TTG.

[QUOTE=Goodle;1727519]Just an observation. A top earner at Rainbow told me that many lookers but buyers not as much as before. I doubted this but have noticed she may be right. Friday and Sat nights many many customers but few are paying barfines. Stages full of girls at 10:30 or so. This was unheard of before. Used to be as you approach 10 pm the quality on stage was dreadful-not now.

Maybe the market has spoken that the girls just aren't worth over $100 for a quickie. Lower price to 2 k and barfines should improve. BUT will they?

Remember the price goes to 3 k if you want to stick it in at your own hotel. Hahaha![/QUOTE]Thai logic they will raise the prices to make up for the lack of demand LOL. I can't justify paying 3 k for a lousy lay, especially when they tell me to hurry up and make me masturbate if I can't nut within 10 minutes. Thats like going to Jiffy Lube to get my oil changed and the mechanic comes into the waiting room and says hey asshole, come give me a hand putting your filter in, my neck is starting to hurt from working all day.

[QUOTE=Canyon;1728322]Another question I have concerns free-lancers. In the past, I've had pretty good luck with them. Most of them are not very attractive, of course, but occasionally, I've had pretty good success. I know there's Thermae and the Biergarden, but sometimes I have found some good ones on the street. Has anyone had good luck in certain areas finding FL's that are reasonably attractive and fairly young?[/QUOTE]The chance of finding a young cutie on the streets of lower suk are slim to none, with slim on the way out of town. I wouldn't say it's impossible, who knows, you might catch lightning in a bottle!

The other day I was shopping at T21 and thought I saw the comedian Russell Peters eating ice cream at Swensons. I stopped and did a double take, approached him and told him I was a big fan. He looked at me with shock and asked who is Russell? Oopsie!

[QUOTE=TonyHoeprano;1728454]Thai logic they will raise the prices to make up for the lack of demand LOL. I can't justify paying 3 k for a lousy lay, especially when they tell me to hurry up and make me masturbate if I can't nut within 10 minutes. Thats like going to Jiffy Lube to get my oil changed and the mechanic comes into the waiting room and says hey asshole, come give me a hand putting your filter in, my neck is starting to hurt from working all day.[/QUOTE]Amazing that dudes will settle for that service and still pay the gal the full fare. I don't take many FLs these days because I have had to call off to many sessions. When a gal won't kiss, won't allow DATY, or a finger, then I am out of there and she gets a hundred Baht for her time. I just won't pay for poor service; but lots of guys will and that is why it continues.

Honestly back when gals in GoGos were 1 k baht the service was far better. After 15 years in this country one thing is clear; if you are paying big bucks the worse it is going to be for the most part. That goes for gals, food, and almost everything else. Why? Expensive here does not mean good; it means more "face. ".

There are noted exceptions with many of the young hip entrepreneurs who actually have a passion for what they are doing. One example are the amazing coffee shops we have seen open in the last 24 months. Would love to see someone open a brothel where looks and service (full on PSE) were both top rate. I would have no problem paying 3 K up for 90 min with gals like that.

[QUOTE=Goodle;1727519]Just an observation. A top earner at Rainbow told me that many lookers but buyers not as much as before. I doubted this but have noticed she may be right. Friday and Sat nights many many customers but few are paying barfines. Stages full of girls at 10:30 or so. This was unheard of before. Used to be as you approach 10 pm the quality on stage was dreadful-not now.

Maybe the market has spoken that the girls just aren't worth over $100 for a quickie. Lower price to 2 k and barfines should improve. BUT will they?

Remember the price goes to 3 k if you want to stick it in at your own hotel. Hahaha![/QUOTE]Probably Rainbow 4 is the worst example for this kind of bad attitude, last time I went there I paid a lady a drink and talked 2 min to hear that she wanted 5 k+BF+drinks etc. And when I had the audacity to try to negotiate reminding her it was a bit overpriced, then she got instantly pissed off and left straight away almost insulting me. Seriously, who wants to go back in such place when they treat you like shit? Cannot even imagine her attitude in bed if I had been stupid enough to pay what she asked.

So decided not to go with the lady in the photos and instead ventured out into the night with no real plan. I decided to start the night at Nana Plaza. Ended up at Angel Witch for the good music and shows they put on on. After about 15 minutes spotted a young looking beauty with one of the largest pair of naturals I have seen in a while, with a very nice firm ass. Turns out she's from Loeit. Anyways had a nice chat over a few drinks and since it was my birthday I bought a round of shots for a few ladies and gave LD credit to the dancer sitting with me. A little more chit chat and decided to take the plunge and bar fine her. #52 drinks and bar fine 1,495 baht plus tip.

Wanted to eat and relax a bit so took this cute over to Above Eleven for cocktails and a bite to eat. Great atmosphere and good karma from the lady. 2,500 baht.

Next we wanted to unwind a bit so headed over to Climax to see all my good friends. I'm glad I had a lady with me since the choice of FL's was stranglely limited for 11:30. Took the bottle service and listened to the band. Met a few of the other ladies who brought their gents from Angelwitch over and had a great time drinking and doing shots. The staff treated me like gold. Escorting me to and from the restroom while the band played many of my favourites by request. 4,000 Baht bottle, mixers, snacks, and tips.

Time to take my lady home. Back at my place she showered and the action began. Great GFE in many positions! She left at 4:30.3,500 Baht.

Still being in the mood to party I texted a girl from Craigs list. She said come meet me at Insomnia. I said sure. Arrived just before 5:00. Called her many times but no answer. Saw a pretty young thing standing alone and asked if she wanted to come with me. " How much will you give me?" she asked. I told her 4,000. Her jaw dropped with amazement and off we went. Great early morning and afternoon fun. Multiple positions, 3 pops, and she left around 5:00 PM.

About 7:00 PM received a call from this girl I have been seeing, begging me to see her. I showered and headed over to her place. Quiet dinner inside and some great GFE action. Could it get any better than this? Next morning had some work to do so left with a promise to be back in the evening for dinner at Wine I love you at the CDC. After dinner back to her place for more GFE action. 2,500 Baht for dinner.

After a long night and day of constant action headed home to sleep and get ready for work the next day. Got a lmessage from a we chat cutie asking to come over. Agreed and before I knew it I was back at it again. Woke up this morning at 8, kiss good bye and off to work. 0 Baht.

[QUOTE=MatKong;1729040]Probably Rainbow 4 is the worst example for this kind of bad attitude, last time I went there I paid a lady a drink and talked 2 min to hear that she wanted 5 k+BF+drinks etc. And when I had the audacity to try to negotiate reminding her it was a bit overpriced, then she got instantly pissed off and left straight away almost insulting me. Seriously, who wants to go back in such place when they treat you like shit? Cannot even imagine her attitude in bed if I had been stupid enough to pay what she asked.[/QUOTE]5 k is a bargain if it was for long time. Hahaha. I hear the normal rate is 6 k.

Anyway it should be crimes against prostitutes to see what doctors do dis-figuring many a smallish Thai hooker. Hahahaha. Drs professional integrity should allow them to say cannot. You not a good candidate for boob job.

My jaw just dropped when a recently Rain. 4 enlarged girl went topless. God awful. Times infinity.

I still don't see how horrible plastic boobs added to a mediocre face tattooed body helps anyone but the doctor.

[QUOTE=MatKong;1729040]Probably Rainbow 4 is the worst example for this kind of bad attitude, last time I went there I paid a lady a drink and talked 2 min to hear that she wanted 5 k+BF+drinks etc. And when I had the audacity to try to negotiate reminding her it was a bit overpriced, then she got instantly pissed off and left straight away almost insulting me. Seriously, who wants to go back in such place when they treat you like shit? Cannot even imagine her attitude in bed if I had been stupid enough to pay what she asked.[/QUOTE]They have a bad attitude because the big spenders have paid too much before you got there. This is the end result of idiots leading with their wallet and paying well above market value, they spoil it for everyone putting the price up and giving the girls a bad attitude! The days of Thailand being a good monger destination are over ruined by two week millionaires. They feel for the first time in their lives they can have power over a woman by paying too much and their battered ego gets a little lift making them feel like an Alfa male. Now we know it's not just about the price going up its also about bad attitude that have turned good women.

[QUOTE=Milo12;1729375]They have a bad attitude because the big spenders have paid too much before you got there. This is the end result of idiots leading with their wallet and paying well above market value, they spoil it for everyone putting the price up and giving the girls a bad attitude! The days of Thailand being a good monger destination are over ruined by two week millionaires. They feel for the first time in their lives they can have power over a woman by paying too much and their battered ego gets a little lift making them feel like an Alfa male. Now we know it's not just about the price going up its also about bad attitude that have turned good women.[/QUOTE]Exactly. And hey, there are even some residents who do the same. But get ready for the folks who will chime in and talk about "the market" and "their money. " Yes, it has ruined it for all of us, including them. There is always some dude who is willing to spend "more" with no thought of the consequences to himself and everyone else.

I harken back to one of my first trips to Nom Penh in late '99. Had an acquaintance who lived there. Met up with him soon after arrival. The first thing he told me after we greeted one another was "This is what you pay the girls. Don't pay them more because you will ruin it for everyone. " And he was spot on. The expats in PP at the time were pretty much in agreement about this as well. Prices were very stable for quite a long time. Now prices are up and so are bad attitudes. Same holds true for BKK.

Again, this board is pretty split on this matter. Personally, I always keep in mind that there was someone before and someone after me. Overpaying, underpaying, and / or treating a gal badly will leave a mark. Negative marks that is. This will come back on the guy after you. And might fall on you depending on what the dude before you did.

[QUOTE=Goodle;1729184]5 k is a bargain if it was for long time. Hahaha. I hear the normal rate is 6 k.

Anyway it should be crimes against prostitutes to see what doctors do dis-figuring many a smallish Thai hooker. Hahahaha. Drs professional integrity should allow them to say cannot. You not a good candidate for boob job.

My jaw just dropped when a recently Rain. 4 enlarged girl went topless. God awful. Times infinity.

I still don't see how horrible plastic boobs added to a mediocre face tattooed body helps anyone but the doctor.[/QUOTE]I had the misfortune to be in R4 the other week for the first time in a couple of years. The number of plastic surgery disasters is staggering. The Drs who performed many of the boob jobs should lose their licenses.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1729445]Exactly. And hey, there are even some residents who do the same. But get ready for the folks who will chime in and talk about "the market" and "their money. " Yes, it has ruined it for all of us, including them. There is always some dude who is willing to spend "more" with no thought of the consequences to himself and everyone else.
[/QUOTE]Actually I think this whole issue of overpaying is bullshit. There will be short term spikes in prices, both in the wake of over-payers and in the wake of reduced prices when demand slackens. But the long term trend is changing upwards, not because of over payers but in real significant changes in the market, the demographics, life styles, information technology, differential local / tourist pricing.

Gone are the days when country girls were happy with $10 L / T; now they want $100 and bluntly good luck to them. The girls are savvy, they have their hands on straining penises and on fat wallets at the same time. Know as multi-tasking.

I know of no place in the developed world from whence the complaining punters come where they can get an overnight for less than $500.

I go on holiday for fun not to answer to moaners who complain if I pay $100 for a couple of hours of great sex. It is my money, my holiday and my fun. If the complainers want cheap sex let them pick up the scaggy 50 year olds.

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1729474]Actually I think this whole issue of overpaying is bullshit. There will be short term spikes in prices, both in the wake of over-payers and in the wake of reduced prices when demand slackens. But the long term trend is changing upwards, not because of over payers but in real significant changes in the market, the demographics, life styles, information technology, differential local / tourist pricing.

Gone are the days when country girls were happy with $10 L / T; now they want $100 and bluntly good luck to them. The girls are savvy, they have their hands on straining penises and on fat wallets at the same time. Know as multi-tasking.

I know of no place in the developed world from whence the complaining punters come where they can get an overnight for less than $500.

I go on holiday for fun not to answer to moaners who complain if I pay $100 for a couple of hours of great sex. It is my money, my holiday and my fun. If the complainers want cheap sex let them pick up the scaggy 50 year olds.[/QUOTE]It's not bullshit, wherever overpaying has happened poor attitudes follow, it wasn't long ago you could ST a Nana girl for 1-1. 5 k, now the silly bint wants 3 k, and won't budge even though it's quiet, it's the silly Thai face, if they lower price as most sane hookers would when quiet they loose face, I can stay in Europe and pay 3 k ST, why fly 6000 miles? Bangkok got expensive a few years ago, thanks to the internet, which drew clueless 2 week millionaires, who in the home country are nobodies, but for 2 weeks can show what rock stars they are, this has replicated itself in Pattaya also, last week average beer bar girls wanted 2 k LT off my friend.

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1729474]Actually I think this whole issue of overpaying is bullshit. There will be short term spikes in prices, both in the wake of over-payers and in the wake of reduced prices when demand slackens. But the long term trend is changing upwards, not because of over payers but in real significant changes in the market, the demographics, life styles, information technology, differential local / tourist pricing.

Gone are the days when country girls were happy with $10 L / T; now they want $100 and bluntly good luck to them. The girls are savvy, they have their hands on straining penises and on fat wallets at the same time. Know as multi-tasking.

I know of no place in the developed world from whence the complaining punters come where they can get an overnight for less than $500.

I go on holiday for fun not to answer to moaners who complain if I pay $100 for a couple of hours of great sex. It is my money, my holiday and my fun. If the complainers want cheap sex let them pick up the scaggy 50 year olds.[/QUOTE]The point is that you are in the developing world not the developed world. ST prices are cheaper in many EU countries and in many Latin American countries. And hey, take a gal for big money in the US and you will usually get performance in spades. Truthfully, there are fewer "fat wallets" around, and in the future there will be fewer Westerners with money here. There are already far less.

And yes, it does effect the girls attitudes. And I mentioned the issue is exactly what you stated, "my money, my holiday, and my fun. " Pretty soon it will be no fun. In some's opinions, it already is. As I said there was someone before you and there will always be someone after you. It may be your money and your holiday, but they are our gals. And by our I mean every monger who plays. Keep that in mind.

Yes, there is inflation and prices always trend up. But in most cases when prices trend up service stays the same or even improves. This has not been the case with P4 P in BKK. They are still gals from West Virginia, but with all their teeth.

[QUOTE=Jerboa;1729501] I can stay in Europe and pay 3 k ST, why fly 6000 miles? [/QUOTE]Yep, and there are far fewer Europeans here because of it. The only population of mongers that is growing are Asians. And when the Chinese really hit the scene, which they will, it will be all over but the shouting. Western mongers will not want to be in bars filled with Chinese dudes. The one thing that might be a positive is that Chinese dudes are used to getting good service. Ever been to a Macau Sauna? The gals are skilled. Very skilled. Why? They are trained and the guys demand good service and good attitudes.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1729510]Yep, and there are far fewer Europeans here because of it. The only population of mongers that is growing are Asians. And when the Chinese really hit the scene, which they will, it will be all over but the shouting. Western mongers will not want to be in bars filled with Chinese dudes. The one thing that might be a positive is that Chinese dudes are used to getting good service. Ever been to a Macau Sauna? The gals are skilled. Very skilled. Why? They are trained and the guys demand good service and good attitudes.[/QUOTE]I agree with Goatscrot. If the chinese come to BKK in large numbers, they will certainly push the prices up, and also push the demand for better service. They are generally not as polite or pliant as the Japanese customers. But I think Chinese may not come to BKK in droves because Thai ladies are readily available in Macau, and Chinese can monger all they want in the major cities of China at relatively affordable prices (comparable to BKK now).