Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Jerboa;1729501]I can stay in Europe and pay 3 k ST, why fly 6000 miles? Bangkok got expensive a few years ago, thanks to the internet, which drew clueless 2 week millionaires, who in the home country are nobodies, but for 2 weeks can show what rock stars they are, this has replicated itself in Pattaya also, last week average beer bar girls wanted 2 k LT off my friend.[/QUOTE]If you can find quality girls in your home market for 3 k ST then I advise you to stay where you are. For some reason, perhaps just my personal taste, I don't believe this price point is real, not for quality anyway.

Now here in Asia, high prices are prevalent EVERYWHERE in the P4 P arena and so far the price increases have done nothing to affect aggregate demand. I firmly believe, however, that at some point higher prices in ASIA will begin to affect aggregate demand. When that happens the market price will drop like a ton of bricks. I can't wait, but until that day of market reckoning, I am going to continue to visit my favorite Asian watering holes because 1) I like Asian girls, 2) for some reason I am still getting damn good service, and 3) I can still afford it. I am never going to go to Africa no matter how cheap it is there and it is not that cheap, BTW. I just don't find sub Saharan girls attractive. I have traveled around SA extensively in its hey day (the 80'sand 90's) and don't feel like returning there. I don't like the vibe and guess what ? Quality poontang is expensive in SA too. Lastly, American and European girls suck IMHO. There is something in the water here that ruins the girls in the West. Even Asian girls who live in the West a short time, change. To get anywhere near the quality service I am used to in Asia, I would have to spend a $1000 or more which is above my max price point.

So Asia is my last stand and the bad news is high quality Asian girls (7* and above) in Jakarta, Makati, Macau, Singapore, Hong Kong are getting $200/ session and more depending on the venue. Even in Phnom Penh, FL's at Darling Darling are getting $100ST which was an unheard of price just a few years ago. And Darling Darling is packed, standing room only every night, with mostly Asian customers clearly illustrating that high prices have not adversely affected demand. Then in our beloved BKK; the all in price for Go Go girls (BF + tip+ drinks) is well north of $100. The price for oily massage girls is averaging 2300 bt. And get this: I dropped by La Belle a few times during my trip and I was shocked by the low numbers of girls available in my favorite soapy at any price. I even walked out one time because the selection was so meager. Another time I selected the hottest girl, a sideliner, in the joint. Her price 6000 was bt. The highest price I ever paid in BKK. Service was good although she would not let me take any pictures. WTF! She said that next time camera time would be on the menu. Ha Ha.

So as prices continue to rise across the board, I am waiting for aggregate demand to drop, but it has not so far. In 5 years I expect prices will be significantly higher than they are now. I hope I am wrong. Let's wait and see. This is a very interesting Economic phenomenon.

That the good times are past and that the odd punter who reports paying a large sum for a basic S / T experience has absolutely no effect on the overall market. Thus we may bemoan his expenditure and say that he could have paid less. Yes, probably ten years ago he would.

Remember too that the the average Westerner coming to Thailand has a higher disposable income that he would have had ten years ago and he is content to pay market prices for a two week holiday.

Two girls a day for ten days at $50 over the supposed "correct" price is only $1,000 on a trip that is probably costing him nearly $10,000 seems of no consequence.

I appreciate, having first visited Thailand more years ago than I like to admit, that prices have changed (but then I earned probably 5 percent of what I earn now). The only people rising prices have hit are the long term residents of LOS on fixed incomes. Tough but you had some very cheap pussy for a long time!

[QUOTE=TimTimGuy;1728441]There is an arcade between soi 11 and the Ambassador Hotel (I think you can continue on through the hotel parking lot to soi 13, but I haven't done that route in many years.).

Between the two entrances to Villa Mart there are probably 5 or 6 MPs with talent and looks of varying quality. Probably a decade ago, I banged a lady named "Apple" a couple of times and I wrote the field report in the Forum somewhere. Short version is, I was looking for a BJ and she stripped naked and almost forceably took me. So, I took her back to my room on a couple of later visits. Before you start asking for contact details, while she is still on soi 11, she has gained AT LEAST 15 kg.

Anyway, I have seen a couple of attractive women in that arcade over the last year or two, when shopping at Villa Mart, but I've always been otherwise occupied.

I hope this helps and I look forward to later reports. TTG.[/QUOTE]Thank you. I will be back with reports soon.

Hi all,

Great reading the debate about price increases. Also had a similar experience at R4 where bargirl was rude when I didn't want to take her out (not because of price, but because I was still shopping). So I simply refuse to go back now.

Might be a dumb question, but are there any places in BKK where they have live sex shows? It can be girl-girl, guy-girl, etc. I'm aware of the ones that are being promoted by the guys on the streets, but was wondering if there was something else out there. If so, where can I find them?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1729525]If you can find quality girls in your home market for 3 k ST then I advise you to stay where you are. For some reason, perhaps just my personal taste, I don't believe this price point is real, not for quality anyway.

Now here in Asia, high prices are prevalent EVERYWHERE in the P4 P arena and so far the price increases have done nothing to affect aggregate demand. I firmly believe, however, that at some point higher prices in ASIA will begin to affect aggregate demand. When that happens the market price will drop like a ton of bricks. I can't wait, but until that day of market reckoning, I am going to continue to visit my favorite Asian watering holes because 1) I like Asian girls, 2) for some reason I am still getting damn good service, and 3) I can still afford it. I am never going to go to Africa no matter how cheap it is there and it is not that cheap, BTW. I just don't find sub Saharan girls attractive. I have traveled around SA extensively in its hey day (the 80'sand 90's) and don't feel like returning there. I don't like the vibe and guess what ? Quality poontang is expensive in SA too. Lastly, American and European girls suck IMHO. There is something in the water here that ruins the girls in the West. Even Asian girls who live in the West a short time, change. To get anywhere near the quality service I am used to in Asia, I would have to spend a $1000 or more which is above my max price point.

So Asia is my last stand and the bad news is high quality Asian girls (7* and above) in Jakarta, Makati, Macau, Singapore, Hong Kong are getting $200/ session and more depending on the venue. Even in Phnom Penh, FL's at Darling Darling are getting $100ST which was an unheard of price just a few years ago. And Darling Darling is packed, standing room only every night, with mostly Asian customers clearly illustrating that high prices have not adversely affected demand. Then in our beloved BKK; the all in price for Go Go girls (BF + tip+ drinks) is well north of $100. The price for oily massage girls is averaging 2300 bt. And get this: I dropped by La Belle a few times during my trip and I was shocked by the low numbers of girls available in my favorite soapy at any price. I even walked out one time because the selection was so meager. Another time I selected the hottest girl, a sideliner, in the joint. Her price 6000 was bt. The highest price I ever paid in BKK. Service was good although she would not let me take any pictures. WTF! She said that next time camera time would be on the menu. Ha Ha.

So as prices continue to rise across the board, I am waiting for aggregate demand to drop, but it has not so far. In 5 years I expect prices will be significantly higher than they are now. I hope I am wrong. Let's wait and see. This is a very interesting Economic phenomenon.[/QUOTE]Actually we have seen a huge drop in Western dudes coming to BKK. But those numbers might "made up" soon with more and more Asian dudes. Most GoGo are dead and the oily gals I know are complaining about it being very slow. Maybe the soapies are busy, but I could not comment as I do not patronize them. So personally I would not say demand is up or even the same as it was 10 years ago. I do think that there are fewer gals going into the "biz" so what we might be seeing in BKK is a wash.

The Asian dudes for the most part don't seem to be bothered as much by price. Even in the oilies the gals see most of the Asian guys as less demanding. They are more likely to take a passive role and enjoy being "serviced. " They will let the lady take the lead. We prefer PSE and GFE style service.

Interesting you speak of Macau. The saunas in Macau are expensive, but you get a great looking gal who is trained to provide excellent service. Something I certainly don't mind paying top dollar for. My gripe is that in most cases in BKK you are paying far more than you did for less. Price wise soapies and oilies have been consistent. It has been 2300 Baht for two hours since the days of Baron's back in '04. Soapies are a bit more but not much. GoGo and FL prices are the ones that have changes radically.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1729766]Actually we have seen a huge drop in Western dudes coming to BKK. But those numbers might "made up" soon with more and more Asian dudes. Most GoGo are dead and the oily gals I know are complaining about it being very slow. Maybe the soapies are busy, but I could not comment as I do not patronize them. So personally I would not say demand is up or even the same as it was 10 years ago. I do think that there are fewer gals going into the "biz" so what we might be seeing in BKK is a wash.

The Asian dudes for the most part don't seem to be bothered as much by price. Even in the oilies the gals see most of the Asian guys as less demanding. They are more likely to take a passive role and enjoy being "serviced. " They will let the lady take the lead. We prefer PSE and GFE style service.

Interesting you speak of Macau. The saunas in Macau are expensive, but you get a great looking gal who is trained to provide excellent service. Something I certainly don't mind paying top dollar for. My gripe is that in most cases in BKK you are paying far more than you did for less. Price wise soapies and oilies have been consistent. It has been 2300 Baht for two hours since the days of Baron's back in '04. Soapies are a bit more but not much. GoGo and FL prices are the ones that have changes radically.[/QUOTE]I agree with every word of yours. The business in soapies has suffered a huge drop, I saw it first hand recently. The looks and even the service quality is rock bottom now a days. It is true that one does not get cheap Pussy in western countries at this price but factor in the air fare, the lost holidays, the hotels, food and other expenses: it ain't cheap or even attractive any more.

This comment should win ISG line of the year!

[QUOTE=TonyHoeprano;1728454]Thats like going to Jiffy Lube to get my oil changed and the mechanic comes into the waiting room and says hey asshole, come give me a hand putting your filter in, my neck is starting to hurt from working all day.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1729525]So Asia is my last stand and the bad news is high quality Asian girls (7* and above) in Jakarta, Makati, Macau, Singapore, Hong Kong are getting $200/ session and more depending on the venue. [/QUOTE]I would say you can still find amazing gals for less money in Jakarta. Mainly because there are very few tourists there. An addendum to this is gals below 7 in Bangkok are wanting big bucks.

Having a suit made and getting some medical services done in Bangkok. But as long as I am here might as well have some fun.

First night hit the streets about 1:00 am and spotted a cute massage girl on the other side of the street while walking on Soi Sukhumvit 11. She was 21 and had a bangs cut that made her look adorable. It was 500 to the house to take her away. We got along fine but I was a bit worried when we got in the room she would be hiding some baby damage under her clothes, never asked her but I just wasn't expecting much. She had a cute face but it was hard to tell what her body was like. She was playful on the walk back to the Dream Hotel which was good and we talked about her staying long time which she said she could do but then the shop would need another 500 baht. I told her lets just keep it short time and then see later. Damn was I happily surprised when she took of her clothes, she said she had small breasts, so I figured she was wearing a push up bra, but she was verging on see's. Plus she just had an overall dynamite body. Plump ass, thick thighs, small waist, just my type. Kind of a let down in the sex dept. Because she did not like to kiss or smoke without a cover. But still great being with such a cute girl. Stuck to short time though because of her inhibitions. Paid her 1000 baht before she left. Not too bad for 1500 bht in Bangkok.

Next night I hit up Thermae which was filled with girls. This was at a little after 10 pm. A few lookers but I nothing I had to have. On the way out a cute white skin girl named Tang stopped me. She has a bit of Acne and a mole or birthmark on her chin. I know that doesn't make her sound cute but she was. If anyone has been with her and would recommend her I might hit her up another night. She said that she is from Chiang Mai if that helps anyone recognize her from the description above.

Got to Nana Car Park and a super cute girl was standing there. Very small features, tiny 20 year old girl. Best looking girl I had seen all night. Talked with her and she wanted to go short time for 1500 baht so off we went. Her friend stepped into the negotiations and was very adamant about her only staying an hour. Her English was about as good as my Thai which is not great. Nice girl, BBJCIM and small tight Hoy. Playful, cute, fun to be with and spent almost 2 hours with me. Wouldn't stay long time with me tonight though. Said she was leaving for Buriram early in the morning and would be back Monday and would stay with me then. Gave her an extra 100 baht. Going to try and touch base with her Monday but it was difficult to tell if she meant for me to text her at 1 am Monday morning, 1 pm Monday afternoon, or 1 am Tuesday morning. Gave a up trying to figure that out and walked her downstairs. By the way the car park had a lot of girls at about 11:30 pm. Another girl who looked 18-20 was standing next to the girl I chose was probably equally cute. I haven't been to Bangkok in a while but I remember it not being a great place except for a brief period around 2 am when the gogos let out.

By the way I like the Dream hotel so far. The breakfast buffet included with my room is also excellent.

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1729606]Remember too that the the average Westerner coming to Thailand has a higher disposable income that he would have had ten years ago and he is content to pay market prices for a two week holiday.
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I hadn't heard of disposable incomes rising much for decades in the West, Scorchin - at least for the 'average' Westerner (and I don't think its the super-rich who make up the clientele of Pattaya and Bangkok P4P)..

[QUOTE=Opebo;1730071]I hadn't heard of disposable incomes rising much for decades in the West, Scorchin - at least for the 'average' Westerner (and I don't think its the super-rich who make up the clientele of Pattaya and Bangkok P4P)..[/QUOTE]Spot on. That is why you are seeing fewer and fewer Westerners in BKK and Patters. Most folks have far less disposable income than they did pre-08 crash.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1730071]I hadn't heard of disposable incomes rising much for decades in the West, Scorchin - at least for the 'average' Westerner (and I don't think its the super-rich who make up the clientele of Pattaya and Bangkok P4P)..[/QUOTE]Absolutely right. Outsourcing Greed and weak political direction had ruined and shrunk the middle class terribly in the west while increasing the same in Asia.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1730136]Spot on. That is why you are seeing fewer and fewer Westerners in BKK and Patters. Most folks have far less disposable income than they did pre-08 crash.[/QUOTE]IMHO I think at least some Americans have more after letting their house go or the ones that sold their house have more disposable income or cash. I think the red shirt yellow shirt and military coup has more to do with fewer Westerners here. Heck if it wasn't for vitamin V there would be a lot less.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1730144]IMHO I think at least some Americans have more after letting their house go or the ones that sold their house have more disposable income or cash. I think the red shirt yellow shirt and military coup has more to do with fewer Westerners here. Heck if it wasn't for vitamin V there would be a lot less.[/QUOTE]I tend to agree it has more to do with local conditions in Thailand, including in the P4P arena, than it does to income among westerners. Living here in the States I don't see much particular financial distress among the middle class and upper middle class relative to ten years ago. Sure you will find some who aren't doing well, and others who are, but that has always been the case. OTOH, certain media outlets find it in their best interests to convince everyone we are financially miserable and that does affect general perceptions.

It is more akin to what happened in Brazil. I had all sorts of friends who used to travel there regularly, but as the pricing got out-of-hand most stopped going even those with money. In Thailand it is not just the pricing but rather the bang for the buck that has really gone downhill. For myself I see little merit in paying much of anything for the average level of service one now gets in the go-gos. It's not that it costs much more than before (although it sort of does) but you get poorer service than before. And other than the oilies, which are bargains but seem to be getting increasingly sporadic as to quality, there are not many good options left.

Add to that the political problems, and even the knowledge that if by chance one arrives in Thailand when the King dies most everything will come to a screeching halt, the lure of Thailand has suffered. Moreover, for those in Europe, it is no longer the case that options in Thailand are so much greater or cheaper than in places like Germany, particularly given GFE is getting more difficult to find in Thailand.

My 2 cents with the caveat I for one will continue visiting Thailand regularly, not only for the P4P but also because I like Bangkok generally.

[QUOTE=WW2015;1729733]Might be a dumb question, but are there any places in BKK where they have live sex shows? It can be girl-girl, guy-girl, etc. I'm aware of the ones that are being promoted by the guys on the streets, but was wondering if there was something else out there. If so, where can I find them?

Thanks![/QUOTE]Last time I was there, Suzi Wong in Soi Cowboy still had a lesbian act in their show. But don't expect anything "heavy": it was pretty but rather "soft" and I'm not even sure those girls are real lesbians.