Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1357432]Agreeing. I check the price before hand if I feel it is needed, toa void surprises. But starting negotiations, menu lists, tick boxes in the form, puts me down. Recipe for a pre-announced mechanical service, since there is a check list previosuly agreed. The sort of GDE includes also a bit of free work, ie go by the flow, not with a script. For instance, she might say no an ass fingering, but better find it out during, when you probe a bit. It is nice if she accepts it, it is not a must in my agenda, so if she makes underssatnd it is not ok, one tries once more (soemtime the first no becomes a yes). So let's play and I really mean that. If it is scripted before hand the hand will never wander around the area, thinking she will take it as breaking the rules. Too much control is no fun.[/QUOTE]Have to agree with you here. I like to keep a bit of mystique in the session. Not saying I disagree with anyone who wants to go through every do's and don't's in advance but this approach is not for me.

Regards.

BJ

[QUOTE=Globetrotter; 1357464]Dr. BJ.

I have read your replies to other posters as well as other posters' comments about your establishments. I have already visited the salon and was very pleased with the experience. The nuru massage and Budget Bangers were not yet opened when I was there last but I will be sure to check them out on my next trip in another month.

I have two comments / questions: I, like many others do not really understand the consultant vs. Nurses set up that you have. The higher cost of the consultant would lead one to believe that either the service is better and / or the girls are prettier. On my visit to the salon, I opted for one of each category at the same time and both were equally skilled while neither was much prettier than the other. I am not complaining because I really liked the service and your establishment but I still don't understand the justification for this two-tiered system since the girls' looks and skills in both categories don't seem much different. Why not just raise the fee to THB 800 for all girls. This way you would still be competitive with the other BJ bars with your advantage being that the venue is much cleaner and comfortable to be in. Otherwise you could just hire better looking girls and categorize the best looking ones as consultants, thereby justifying the price differential.

My other question is this: I was looking at your web site and reviewed the girls' pictures. When I go to the salon on my next trip, would I be able to bring in a picture of the girl (s) I am interested in and request to have my session with them or would I still be limited to choosing from the girls who are shown to me when I come in. The choice system seems a bit restrictive because on my visit there, on my way upstairs, I spotted two very pretty young ladies on the second level whom I would rather have chosen had they had presented themselves before I already made my choice.[/QUOTE]Glad you enjoyed your time at the salon and look forward to welcoming you back. The consultants are a bit younger and in the opinion's of some customers slightly better looking, the service is exactly the same. Our customers come from a wide and varied background and consequently the choice of ladies at the salon has to, as far as possible, incorporate a wide range of tastes. Some people want a good looking young lady, some do not care what the lady looks like and for them it is all about experience and technique. As I have said to many people previously if you cannot tell the difference or prefer a lady with more experience then select a lady from the 700 baht bracket.

My suggestion for your next visit would be to select a lady from the web site and contact us in advance to make a booking for your preferred lady.

Regards.

BJ

If you pinned some kind of indication on your staff's uniforms who could legitimately do deep throat and / or take a face fucking, I'd gladly pay 1000 baht. Just saying.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1357752]If you pinned some kind of indication on your staff's uniforms who could legitimately do deep throat and / or take a face fucking, I'd gladly pay 1000 baht. Just saying.[/QUOTE]First of all this would attract some unwanted attention from the powers that be and secondly all a customer has to do is ask when they come to the salon.

Regards.

BJ

[QUOTE=Jackalou1; 1357373]Has anyone been to.

[url]www.barbarfetishclub.com?[/url]

I am curious to check it out.[/QUOTE]It's ok, but careful with the Cashier, she's a scammer.

[quote]maybe it will weed out a lot of the competition in thailand, with guys going to places like cambodia for 5 dollar me love you longtime fucks.[/quote]they better keep looking. check in to the cambodia threads for recent info on prices. be forewarned that you may [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord116][CodeWord116][/url] your shorts.

LOL. So a place called "Dr BJs" doesn't draw attention but a purple star on a uniform would? I don't get it. Anyway, I'll be sure to ask when I stop in. Headed to BKK again very soon. I'll report back. Could you say here how widespread this ability is among your staff? Only been one time, but in plenty of trips to BJ bars in BKK and Pattaya have yet to find a single headbanger.

I picked up a street walker outside terminal 21, she looked average but had huge tits and was happy to chat. Was just hoping to get one out, was really horney after coming back from Bangkok beat after working on some freelancers but could not find the right connection with any Girls. I was looking for a LT but did not want o commit and have it tun out shit. I did a a few expats and a singer of this and tat also plays at the Australia bar, nice people.

The girl was up for everything, anal cum in mouth, ass to mouth, and no condom, but I declined that death trap. Found that street walkers are so hit and miss.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1357643]A little lesson. A place that says the girls give better service is pulling your penis. LOL. Only justicfication 4 a higher fee is better looks.

Good service will get you repeat business but notata higher price.

I think the good dr is banking on that his customers arent much into looks so he can scam them extra 200 by implying better service. LOL. Even they do all look kinda the same.[/QUOTE]Actually Harold it's not 200 baht but a "modest" 300 which the Doc feels is a mere 30% increase rather than the actual jack up of 43.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1356572]I took a lookatthis. 6 month min. Maybe I look like gorilla. LOL. And no way is it a new bldg. LOL. Now I know why some of you see hot girl all over the freaKing place. For less than 1000 baht. Good god![/QUOTE]I've stayed at Praso many times by the night, they do not care if you don't have a passport, so I go there when I need to crash somewhere in an emergency. Several friends have stayed there for several days to several months. They must not have wanted to rent to you. I can't say I'm surprised.

The building was built at the end of last decade, I think in 2007 or so.

I wonder if Dr BJ's gals would be up for alternative's to BJ's, like BLS, DFK, DATO instead.

Variety is the spice of life.

BTW, girls I go with say licking is easier than sucking.

It has gone to the shitter around here.

The massage shop websites are simply a disgrace, a farce. You could go to any large construction site in BKK, and find more fit girls than you will find at any sukhumvit massage shop. It used to baffle me when I would see guys roll into a massage shop, and say "give me the next girl in line". Now I understand. There all just as bad as the next there is no good choice. I make the comparsion to construction workers, because one of the more popular shops actually dresses the girls like constuction workers. (in BKK, that is jeans and a tshirt). Having a wank to thier websites is a much better option, than actually going to see these girls. And that is all the places mentioned on this board.

The night life has gotten just as bad. Spending 3000+ baht guarantees you nothing. Once you accept that most girls only want to offer covered sex for as long it takes you to bust a nut, it makes BKK the same as many American, Canadian, and European cities where you can easily find all races of w*ores.

Bangkok's a great city, everybody should come here once. But now to come here repeatly for mongering is flat out, fucking stupid.

[QUOTE=Oidar; 1357972]It has gone to the shitter around here.

The massage shop websites are simply a disgrace, a farce. You could go to any large construction site in BKK, and find more fit girls than you will find at any sukhumvit massage shop. It used to baffle me when I would see guys roll into a massage shop, and say "give me the next girl in line". Now I understand. There all just as bad as the next there is no good choice. I make the comparsion to construction workers, because one of the more popular shops actually dresses the girls like constuction workers. (in BKK, that is jeans and a tshirt). Having a wank to thier websites is a much better option, than actually going to see these girls. And that is all the places mentioned on this board.

The night life has gotten just as bad. Spending 3000+ baht guarantees you nothing. Once you accept that most girls only want to offer covered sex for as long it takes you to bust a nut, it makes BKK the same as many American, Canadian, and European cities where you can easily find all races of w*ores.

Bangkok's a great city, everybody should come here once. But now to come here repeatly for mongering is flat out, fucking stupid.[/QUOTE]Oidar, Could not agree more. It is a very different place. Gals have many more options now. Legit jobs pay better, there are plenty of them, and the working girls with any savvy are plying their trade over the internet these days. What is left in the bars and massage parlors are for the most part, the dregs. As you pointed out these dregs are wanting top dollar for increasingly lousy service. If my first trip to BKK would be today, there is no way I would consider moving here if girls were the main concern.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1357946]I wonder if Dr BJ's gals would be up for alternative's to BJ's, like BLS, DFK, DATO instead.

Variety is the spice of life. BTW, girls I go with say licking is easier than sucking.[/QUOTE]Then you might want to use the DrBJ Banger, I think it is next door.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;1357833]Actually Harold it's not 200 baht but a "modest" 300 which the Doc feels is a mere 30% increase rather than the actual jack up of 43.[/QUOTE]I was educated in U. K which in my day was one of the best in the world. To make it easy for you let's make the numbers smaller. 10, 1 is 10% of 10. 2 is 20% of 10. 3 is 30% of 10 and 7 is 70% of 10. The difference between 70% and 100% is 30% NOT 43. If it figures the same to you I will give you 30% of 1 million dollars and you give me 43, lets say 3 times a year. If 300 baht is that big a deal to you then I would suggest don't bother coming to Thailand, stay home and Google basic percentage equations.

Regards.

BJ

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1357946]I wonder if Dr BJ's gals would be up for alternative's to BJ's, like BLS, DFK, DATO instead.

Variety is the spice of life.

BTW, girls I go with say licking is easier than sucking.[/QUOTE]Variety is indeed the spice of life. Most of the ladies do offer more than the standard BJ service. Having over 50 ladies in the 3 venues it would be too much trouble to list which lady does what. As I have said many times before if a customer requires something different all you have to do is ask and I am confident we can match you up with a lady who will concur with your desires.

Regards.

BJ

Reached BKK this afternoon. I had never been to Soi Cowboy even though this is my 3rd visit to BKK, so thought let me try. Around 10 pm, took a train to Asok and reached soi cowboy! Strolled over the place but didn't find many good looking ones, though Baccara had some cuties. Not very interested in going inside (not sure if they let Indians in and give that "members only bullshit". My way back, a girl in white shorts pulled me in from Dundee. She was small but cute. The girls inside were below average, though this girl sitting next to me had a good body and was fun, so bought her a drink when she asked for. She got naked, felt me all over, DFK and offered me a BJ too which I declined! The mamasan too was very friendly, talkative so had a chat with her for some time. The cute girl wanted to come back to my room but I refused, as it was too early to go to my room. The music was good though not much of good girls. May be I would try some more places there tonight. I felt the drinks costs are much more here then any go-go at the NEP. 2 drinks for me + 2 LD, costed 860 baht, tipped the girl 100, and mamasan 60. So total of 1000 baht.

Any suggestions for good places in Cowboy which are not for "members only"?

Regards,

A

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1358054]Variety is indeed the spice of life. Most of the ladies do offer more than the standard BJ service. Having over 50 ladies in the 3 venues it would be too much trouble to list which lady does what. As I have said many times before if a customer requires something different all you have to do is ask and I am confident we can match you up with a lady who will concur with your desires.

Regards.

BJ[/QUOTE]Tried C yesterday. No doubt she is the best looking with a great body, nice skin but a real poor performer. I had tried Miss X couple of times before and she is among my fav at the BJ. I should have taken her but lost to the looks of miss C.

C offers only the standard BJ service, nothing more. Nothing extra, she does not even let you touch her tits. Does the job as if its her duty and very mechanical, not sure why she is a consultant! Yes, I agree I should've asked before I took her!

Regards,

A

On my way back to my hotel, I saw this dark skin cuty from Isaan outside the Nana Liquid. Had a short chat and I was ready to take her to my place for a ST. Not much of English, but could manage to understand each other with gestures. LOL.

Back to my hotel, when she undressed, I was not a bit dissatified. She said she was 19, and looked that young too. Had a large tatto on her back. Great natural tits defying gravity and very good skin. DFK, BBJ was on the menu. Didn't ask for anal or DATY as I am not into it. She gave me an awesome BJ in the shower where I shot my load as I could not control. On the bed, she was wild and wet. Gave me a BBJ again with lots of licking, before I could get out of control, got a cap, and started pounding her in missionary. Flipped her and fucked her from back and again missonary! It was fun to flip and turn her as she so light, young and flexible. Shot my load in couple of minutes and laid on her for some time.

Now I was not sure how much to pay her as normally FL's come for IMHO min 1K to max 1. 5K. We did not discuss the rates upfront. Since she was a performer and made me real happy, I was about to pay 1. 5K and pulled my wallet. She looked at me and said 1K before I could pay her! I was surpriced, have the prices come down here? I thought its high season! I didn't want to hike up by paying her too much more then what she asked so paid her 1000+200 tips, though I felt she was worth more than that!

She gave me her dijits and am sure I will get her again before I leave.

Regards,

A

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1358050]I was educated in U. K which in my day was one of the best in the world. To make it easy for you let's make the numbers smaller. 10, 1 is 10% of 10. 2 is 20% of 10. 3 is 30% of 10 and 7 is 70% of 10. The difference between 70% and 100% is 30% NOT 43. If it figures the same to you I will give you 30% of 1 million dollars and you give me 43, lets say 3 times a year. If 300 baht is that big a deal to you then I would suggest don't bother coming to Thailand, stay home and Google basic percentage equations.

Regards.

BJ[/QUOTE]You must have missed the class on how to calculate precentage increases Doc, perhaps you were spending time on the course on how to run a BJ bar although you didn't seem to have learned much there either.

The formula used by most of the world, although it may differ in Scotland, to calculate a precentage increase is

Increase divided by origional number multiplied by a 100. I. E.

300 divided by 700 =.4285 multiplied by 100 =42. 85%

Check; [url]http://www.mathsisfun.com/numbers/percentage-change.html[/url]

It's a site for calculating precentage increases for slow learners, I googled it.

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1358050]I was educated in U. K which in my day was one of the best in the world. To make it easy for you let's make the numbers smaller. 10, 1 is 10% of 10. 2 is 20% of 10. 3 is 30% of 10 and 7 is 70% of 10. The difference between 70% and 100% is 30% NOT 43. If it figures the same to you I will give you 30% of 1 million dollars and you give me 43, lets say 3 times a year. If 300 baht is that big a deal to you then I would suggest don't bother coming to Thailand, stay home and Google basic percentage equations.

Regards.

BJ[/QUOTE]You must have missed the class Doc. On how to calculate increases expressed as a precentage, perhaps you were attending the course on how to run a BJ bar although you didn't seem to have picked up much there either.

The formula used by most of the world to express an increase as a precentage is.

Increase divided by origional number multiplied by a 100 I. E.

300 divded by 700 =.4285 multiplied by 100 = 42. 85.

[url]http://www.mathsisfun.com/numbers/percentage-change.html[/url]

Above is a site for slow learners on how to calculate precentage increases. I googled it.

Incidently if as you keep repeating the difference in pricing is so modest why bother having 2 prices. Answer lies in your own admission that most customers pay 1000and therefore is as I have claimed from the begining just a ruse to jack up the price of a BJ to 1000.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1357946]I wonder if Dr BJ's gals would be up for alternative's to BJ's, like BLS, DFK, DATO instead.

Variety is the spice of life.

BTW, girls I go with say licking is easier than sucking.[/QUOTE]How many of these places have you been in?

I would say 80% of the time I get FS in the booth. DFK, DATY and the works.

[QUOTE=Oidar; 1357972]It has gone to the shitter around here.

The massage shop websites are simply a disgrace, a farce. You could go to any large construction site in BKK, and find more fit girls than you will find at any sukhumvit massage shop. It used to baffle me when I would see guys roll into a massage shop, and say "give me the next girl in line". Now I understand. There all just as bad as the next there is no good choice. I make the comparsion to construction workers, because one of the more popular shops actually dresses the girls like constuction workers. (in BKK, that is jeans and a tshirt). Having a wank to thier websites is a much better option, than actually going to see these girls. And that is all the places mentioned on this board.

The night life has gotten just as bad. Spending 3000+ baht guarantees you nothing. Once you accept that most girls only want to offer covered sex for as long it takes you to bust a nut, it makes BKK the same as many American, Canadian, and European cities where you can easily find all races of w*ores.

Bangkok's a great city, everybody should come here once. But now to come here repeatly for mongering is flat out, fucking stupid.[/QUOTE]I go all the time for mongering.

You claim to be a pot head and that you sell weed.

You seem lost. Maybe you should stay off that shit for awhile and clear your head.

[QUOTE=Alpanico; 1358063]Now I was not sure how much to pay her as normally FL's come for IMHO min 1K to max 1. 5K. We did not discuss the rates upfront. Since she was a performer and made me real happy, I was about to pay 1. 5K and pulled my wallet. She looked at me and said 1K before I could pay her! I was surpriced, have the prices come down here? I thought its high season! I didn't want to hike up by paying her too much more then what she asked so paid her 1000+200 tips, though I felt she was worth more than that!

She gave me her dijits and am sure I will get her again before I leave.

Regards,

A[/QUOTE]Prices like 1K to 1, 5K is for ST I believe and seems a bit low but fair enough. But as she probably was a newbee to the game she claimed 1K to make sure she got that. I did have a LT session in Pattaya a few months back when I had a GFE FL and good performer as well and I was thinking of giving her 3K or sth but before I was able to find the cash she claimed she wanted 1500Bht`s hehe. Ok I told her without any hazzle.

[QUOTE=Alpanico; 1358063]On my way back to my hotel, I saw this dark skin cuty from Isaan outside the Nana Liquid. Had a short chat and I was ready to take her to my place for a ST. Not much of English, but could manage to understand each other with gestures. LOL.

Back to my hotel, when she undressed, I was not a bit dissatified. She said she was 19, and looked that young too. Had a large tatto on her back. Great natural tits defying gravity and very good skin. DFK, BBJ was on the menu. Didn't ask for anal or DATY as I am not into it. She gave me an awesome BJ in the shower where I shot my load as I could not control. On the bed, she was wild and wet. Gave me a BBJ again with lots of licking, before I could get out of control, got a cap, and started pounding her in missionary. Flipped her and fucked her from back and again missonary! It was fun to flip and turn her as she so light, young and flexible. Shot my load in couple of minutes and laid on her for some time.

Now I was not sure how much to pay her as normally FL's come for IMHO min 1K to max 1. 5K. We did not discuss the rates upfront. Since she was a performer and made me real happy, I was about to pay 1. 5K and pulled my wallet. She looked at me and said 1K before I could pay her! I was surpriced, have the prices come down here? I thought its high season! I didn't want to hike up by paying her too much more then what she asked so paid her 1000+200 tips, though I felt she was worth more than that!

She gave me her dijits and am sure I will get her again before I leave.

Regards,

A[/QUOTE]Prices have not come down, they have gone up. But strangely enough, in front of the Nana car park and thereabouts girls ask 1000 with no bargaining needed. There are occasionally some cuties, but most want quickies at nearby hotels

[QUOTE=Alpanico; 1358059]Reached BKK this afternoon. I had never been to Soi Cowboy even though this is my 3rd visit to BKK, so thought let me try. Around 10 pm, took a train to Asok and reached soi cowboy! Strolled over the place but didn't find many good looking ones, though Baccara had some cuties. Not very interested in going inside (not sure if they let Indians in and give that "members only bullshit". My way back, a girl in white shorts pulled me in from Dundee. She was small but cute. The girls inside were below average, though this girl sitting next to me had a good body and was fun, so bought her a drink when she asked for. She got naked, felt me all over, DFK and offered me a BJ too which I declined! The mamasan too was very friendly, talkative so had a chat with her for some time. The cute girl wanted to come back to my room but I refused, as it was too early to go to my room. The music was good though not much of good girls. May be I would try some more places there tonight. I felt the drinks costs are much more here then any go-go at the NEP. 2 drinks for me + 2 LD, costed 860 baht, tipped the girl 100, and mamasan 60. So total of 1000 baht.

Any suggestions for good places in Cowboy which are not for "members only"?

Regards,

A[/QUOTE]If you're by yourself and well groomed you should be able to get into all of them. I've seen people of all races inside baccara

Went to soi cowboy, the first place I had to visit was the super famous baccara. I really like the glass floor. Found a spot by the poles and watch the shuffle of girls dance then change. Ended up speaking to few japs, about there experiences. They seem to love to watch and buy the girls drinks. Moved up stairs and watched the topless floor, so many tits where do I look haaaa. Ended up getting hounded by this girl who was super friendly in her intro and nice to talk with. I took her to a litte beer bar on the street to get to know her, we talked and joked, everything going fine. But back in hotel she was a star fish, totally boring, I ended up kicking her out and when she asked what are you doing now, I said going to find someone who put s a little effort into her job. After her looks wear off she will either be out of the sex bar work or have to perform. I like the bar but not sure about bar fining anymore girls with some many options in BKK

[QUOTE=Franciscass; 1358084]You must have missed the class Doc. On how to calculate increases expressed as a precentage, perhaps you were attending the course on how to run a BJ bar although you didn't seem to have picked up much there either.

The formula used by most of the world to express an increase as a precentage is.

Increase divided by origional number multiplied by a 100 I. E.

300 divded by 700 =.4285 multiplied by 100 = 42. 85.

[url]http://www.mathsisfun.com/numbers/percentage-change.html[/url]

Above is a site for slow learners on how to calculate precentage increases. I googled it.

Incidently if as you keep repeating the difference in pricing is so modest why bother having 2 prices. Answer lies in your own admission that most customers pay 1000and therefore is as I have claimed from the begining just a ruse to jack up the price of a BJ to 1000.[/QUOTE]In total the time you have spent criticizing the salon, a place I doubt you have ever been, you could have been doing some of that working from home stuff like Putting letters into envelopes. I am sure you would have made 300 baht by now.

Regards.

BJ

[QUOTE=SuperRaven;1358373]Went to soi cowboy, the first place I had to visit was the super famous baccara. I really like the glass floor. Found a spot by the poles and watch the shuffle of girls dance then change. Ended up speaking to few japs, about there experiences. They seem to love to watch and buy the girls drinks. Moved up stairs and watched the topless floor, so many tits where do I look haaaa. Ended up getting hounded by this girl who was super friendly in her intro and nice to talk with. I took her to a litte beer bar on the street to get to know her, we talked and joked, everything going fine. But back in hotel she was a star fish, totally boring, I ended up kicking her out and when she asked what are you doing now, I said going to find someone who put s a little effort into her job. After her looks wear off she will either be out of the sex bar work or have to perform. I like the bar but not sure about bar fining anymore girls with some many options in BKK[/QUOTE]I have to say I personally have never had a bad performer from Baccara. Perhaps, as some who have leveled criticism on anything I post on ISG would suggest, it is because I am a sexual Tyrannosaurus Rex. Who can have continual sex for 16 hours, give the girl 137 orgasm's, cum 12-14 times myself and leaving her so satisfied she gives me all the money she has and begs me to marry her. Can you remember the name or number of the girl so other members can avoid her.

Regards.

BJ

[QUOTE=Alpanico; 1358060]Tried C yesterday. No doubt she is the best looking with a great body, nice skin but a real poor performer. I had tried Miss X couple of times before and she is among my fav at the BJ. I should have taken her but lost to the looks of miss C.

C offers only the standard BJ service, nothing more. Nothing extra, she does not even let you touch her tits. Does the job as if its her duty and very mechanical, not sure why she is a consultant! Yes, I agree I should've asked before I took her!

Regards,

A[/QUOTE]I appreciate you reporting this in a very mature way and not slagging of the whole place because of one bad experience. I am not leaping to the automatic defence of letter C here. I think this is an example of horses for courses. She has quite a few clients who insist on only going with her to the extent they will sit at the bar and wait if she is busy when they call. One guy comes all the way from Pattaya and has been known to call in three times in one evening.

Regards.

BJ

[QUOTE=SuperRaven;1358373]Went to soi cowboy, the first place I had to visit was the super famous baccara. I really like the glass floor. Found a spot by the poles and watch the shuffle of girls dance then change. Ended up speaking to few japs, about there experiences. They seem to love to watch and buy the girls drinks. Moved up stairs and watched the topless floor, so many tits where do I look haaaa. Ended up getting hounded by this girl who was super friendly in her intro and nice to talk with. I took her to a litte beer bar on the street to get to know her, we talked and joked, everything going fine. But back in hotel she was a star fish, totally boring, I ended up kicking her out and when she asked what are you doing now, I said going to find someone who put s a little effort into her job. After her looks wear off she will either be out of the sex bar work or have to perform. I like the bar but not sure about bar fining anymore girls with some many options in BKK[/QUOTE]I always refuse girls that "hound" me. The more pressure, the less I like them. You want to try a few shy types who can suddenly come to life on the bed. Upstairs in Bacarra, I did not see anything I liked at all so no reason to stay there past a single circuit walk around the stage. Downstairs a few good ones.

I have never had a bad girl from Baccara, from memory, so must have got lucky with choosing or found the right vibe. I have had girls show no interest in me whatsoever. That is way better than a girl who puts on an act and later turns out to be crap.

Some girls at Bacarra are quite nice but incredibly bored by being there normally.

Little report. Went to Annie's by mistake (got it mixed up with nattaree) , saw a lot of chubby girls and left.

Wandered around and bumped into nana plaza (or whatever the multi-story rld is called).

Anyway, I was feeling a bit off but decided to do the loop. As I closed the loop I was intercepted by a Thai woman who could only be described as having an experienced porn star look (sterotype). I forget the name of the place but it is the first or second place on the left when you enter the place. Red neon around it and when you enter the place you immediately see a stage. Mamasan looks like she (?) has had a lot of plastic surgury.

Anyway, the woman is not my usual type, but for some reason I couldn't help myself. She has a pretty face wearing too much make-up, big fake tits and very wide hips on an otherwise slim figure (narrow waste). Quite the combo! I'd say she is in her early 30's and if I recall correctly, her name is illean.

Anyway, my experience wasn't great but that was because I wasn't feeling well. It was short and everything was covered, but I got the impression she was happy to do a BBBJ and possibly kissing. Damage was 2000 plus 990 for mamasan and st room. Despite knowing I didn't have any money she suggested a second shot. Not sure if she was serious, but at that point I was hot and not feeling great and just wanted to leave. Could it kill them to put ac in those rooms?

Anyway, no real complaints about her (keeping in mind she is a pro and can be pushy. Making me promise to see her again, which I agreed to so I wouldn't return to nana) , but the price and style of those establishments does not really suit me.

BTW, at least at a glance, the most beautiful wg I've seen in the city (not that I've been even close to everywhere!) was dancing on the stage of that same establishment. Pale, slender with just the right curves. Also 2k.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1357206]A simple way to guage the value of a sex worker is how she made you feel afterwards. If an average looker makes you feel fantastic & twice as good as the stunner, obviously you should stick with what works. For some guys they would be happier with the stunner who provides poor service than the good looking TG who is fabulous in all she does & says. It may not even matter to them that they paid the former 10K and the latter only 1K.

If this leads to all girls requiring a 1K tip to allow pussy licking, then maybe it will weed out a lot of the competition in Thailand, with guys going to places like Cambodia for 5 dollar me love you longtime fucks. I'd rather pay a bit extra for my sexual enjoyment than 3K for a lunch like some ISG members do. If food is my goal in life, I'd just stay in Canada & forget the Land Of Cheap Pussy. But my tipping for extra services has not led to an increase in streetwalker prices, as they are still 1K baht for a ST, the same as back in 2007, when I first came to LOS.[/QUOTE]On the first point, a hag that supposedly does the absolute best BBBJ doesn't interest me. Looks are important to get me turned on at all. I have live part time with a very sexy looking girl, slightly more slim than perfection, but I don't need very ugly types at all. There are limits to plainness that can be tolerated. And yes a super looking girl tends to cause the enjoyment to be multiplied and more memorable. If costs more, so be it.

On the 2nd point, I would much rather spend the extra money on a girl than on an expensive lunch. However, I don't mind paying a bit more for exquisite food, but it really must be outstanding. I don't like to waste valuable time going to very ordinary restaurants. Time is a valuable comodity, more so than money sometimes. E. G. A Japanese restaurant must be a good one or don't bother. Too many are a bit ordinary. Not all of us have unlimited time available for playing up too. That's why superior quality is important.

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1358408]I appreciate you reporting this in a very mature way and not slagging of the whole place because of one bad experience. I am not leaping to the automatic defence of letter C here. I think this is an example of horses for courses. She has quite a few clients who insist on only going with her to the extent they will sit at the bar and wait if she is busy when they call. One guy comes all the way from Pattaya and has been known to call in three times in one evening.

Regards.

BJ[/QUOTE]You did not really answer any of his questions here. Not that you needed to but I thought that if you were going to reply to his post at least you could have addressed the issue: Do the girls have the right to refuse taking their top off and letting customers fondle them?

I thought this was a given in any BJ Bar.

As a member here, I could not give less than a shit how many guys worship C, they can come from Brazil for all I care, and wait 4 hours sitting on a stool. I do not see how this is relevant to anything.

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1358403]I have to say I personally have never had a bad performer from Baccara. Perhaps, as some who have leveled criticism on anything I post on ISG would suggest, it is because I am a sexual Tyrannosaurus Rex. Who can have continual sex for 16 hours, give the girl 137 orgasm's, cum 12-14 times myself and leaving her so satisfied she gives me all the money she has and begs me to marry her. Can you remember the name or number of the girl so other members can avoid her.

Regards,

BJ[/QUOTE]You seem like a smart guy but it appears your making a rookie mistake, in my opinion. You're allowing yourself to be sucked down into the 'idiot morass' as I call it. We see it in all phases of life but it ferments into a strong concentration when sex is involved.

With the exception of some who are simply trying to augment their boring lives (think Thoreau) and some who are genuine sex addicts most poster here are simply losers who as the saying goes 'couldn't get laid in a *****house with a fistful of 50's', who have no other way to distinguish themselves but to *****, whine and moan because that's far, far easier than being creative or positive. Like splitting hairs over a 22 dollar blowjob, etc, etc, etc. After a little RTFF it becomes clear pretty quickly the who's and whens.

One internet equivalent (and there are many) of encountering the idiot in daily life with a nod, a smile and a quick exit might be – 'OK, sounds good', hit post and move along.

JUST MY 2 CENTS as some referenced above are fond of saying (and we all know what 2 cents are worth today).

Good luck with your enterprise.

[QUOTE=Rjsss212; 1358530]You seem like a smart guy but it appears your making a rookie mistake, in my opinion. You're allowing yourself to be sucked down into the 'idiot morass' as I call it. We see it in all phases of life but it ferments into a strong concentration when sex is involved.

With the exception of some who are simply trying to augment their boring lives (think Thoreau) and some who are genuine sex addicts most poster here are simply losers who as the saying goes 'couldn't get laid in a *house with a fistful of 50's', who have no other way to distinguish themselves but to, whine and moan because that's far, far easier than being creative or positive. Like splitting hairs over a 22 dollar blowjob, etc, etc, etc. After a little RTFF it becomes clear pretty quickly the who's and whens.

One internet equivalent (and there are many) of encountering the idiot in daily life with a nod, a smile and a quick exit might be – 'OK, sounds good', hit post and move along.

JUST MY 2 CENTS as some referenced above are fond of saying (and we all know what 2 cents are worth today).

Good luck with your enterprise.[/QUOTE]I was poking fun at the many people who seem to automatically criticize anything I say and at the same time asking a serious question. Where does the rookie mistake come into it?

Regards.

BJ

[quote=nicfrenchy;1358464]as a member here, i could not give less than a shit how many guys worship c, they can come from brazil for all i care, and wait 4 hours sitting on a stool. i do not see how this is relevant to anything.[/quote]nic,

i think dr. bj is in a lose-lose situation. if he tries to address questions very directly, people will merely think he is too defensive. i think owners learn in time that responding to criticism does not gain much. sometimes worth ignoring or just indicating the criticism is noted. i think he merely points that he will not sack the girl, since she is popular with some customers, and maybe the complaints do not outweigh that.

same thing at annies. some girls that get rated as poor, but still get a lot of repeat bookings from some customers who like them.

dr. bj best just take note of the comments about girls, and so have staff in a better position to advise about the girls when customers ask for guidance in choosing.

some customers have a mind of their own and don't want advice too. i usually like to make my own choices. i can't recall picking many girls based purely on someone else's recommendation. i may be influenced when i am liking more than one girl equally, if i think the advice might be trustworthy.

as a customer, i don't bother to be too critical of girls in bj bars. they cannot be the cream of the crop. you get what you pay for. they obviously do bj because they don't like doing other things that much, particularly if they are good looking. a girl whose pussy is out of action due to some medical problem could still work as a bj specialist. why a girl doesn't want to make her tits available is not known to me but she could be overly sensitive and not appreciate lots of pinching and biting from the more aggressive customers.

i have once had a girl at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] that did nothing at all except the blow job similarly. was rather boring for sure. that's the way it goes. i just move on to the next better girl. i don't know what other things are really "guaranteed" at a bj bar. having a great fun time is never guaranteed.

the customer of course has the right to say he didn't have a good time, service was crap or boring, and would not repeat.

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1358585]I was poking fun at the many people who seem to automatically criticize anything I say and at the same time asking a serious question. Where does the rookie mistake come into it?

Regards.

BJ[/QUOTE]I think he was merely advising you to ignore some of the more overly negative posters on the forum who can't give balanced and fair reports. We do have some apparent nutters a times. Criticism does not need to be defended. You might respond if you trully intend to make some change, but otherwise you just merely take note of what people say, gather all the opinions, and try to form a more balanced view yourself.

As an owner of the place, you by default must lose all arguments and expect to be criticised over absolutely everything.

[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1358530]With the exception of some who are simply trying to augment their boring lives (think Thoreau) and some who are genuine sex addicts most poster here are simply losers who as the saying goes 'couldn't get laid in a *****house with a fistful of 50's', who have no other way to distinguish themselves but to *****, whine and moan because that's far, far easier than being creative or positive. Like splitting hairs over a 22 dollar blowjob, etc, etc, etc. After a little RTFF it becomes clear pretty quickly the who's and whens.[/QUOTE]Wow, I think it's pretty clear now what your views of the Average ISG Joe is LOL

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1358729]Nic,

I think Dr. BJ is in a lose-lose situation. If he tries to address questions very directly, people will merely think he is too defensive. I think owners learn in time that responding to criticism does not gain much. Sometimes worth ignoring or just indicating the criticism is noted. I think he merely points that he will not sack the girl, since she is popular with some customers, and maybe the complaints do not outweigh that.[/QUOTE]You're right.

But I think the OP really had a very valid question: it is ok for the girl not to take her top off and not to let the customer fondle her boobs? If that happens, could a customer change girls?

I understand the girl's Likes and dislikes, mood and whatever, but what is the protocol (kind of unwritten rule?)

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1358743]You're right.

But I think the OP really had a very valid question: it is ok for the girl not to take her top off and not to let the customer fondle her boobs? If that happens, could a customer change girls?

I understand the girl's Likes and dislikes, mood and whatever, but what is the protocol (kind of unwritten rule?) [/QUOTE]That is the point.

[quote=nicfrenchy; 1358464]you did not really answer any of his questions here. not that you needed to but i thought that if you were going to reply to his post at least you could have addressed the issue: do the girls have the right to refuse taking their top off and letting customers fondle them?

i thought this was a given in any bj bar.

as a member here, i could not give less than a shit how many guys worship c, they can come from brazil for all i care, and wait 4 hours sitting on a stool. i do not see how this is relevant to anything.[/quote]to be honest i didn't see that he was asking any questions, more like making a statement. as i have stated before and this is not confined to the salon, but applies right across this industry, if a client takes a lady and he is not happy with certain aspects of the service, please, either use the telephone or come down stairs and tell us that you would like to change the lady. we will be more than happy to oblige. across the three venues, unfortunately, there will be occasions when a lady and a client are simply not compatible i. e there is zero chemistry between them. these ladies are human beings and the reality is that humans are temperamental.

someone posted a report that his friend went to the salon and the bj was more like a scraping session which left him in pain for three days. for the life of me i cannot understand why he sat there for 30 minutes and neither told the lady to alter her technique or asked for a change of lady. nic, i am sure you don't give a rats ass if letter c is popular or not. the point i was attempting to demonstrate here is the compatibility factor. i accept this guy is being 100% honest when he said he did not like her technique, there are a lot of guys who love her technique and will not go with any other lady. i hope this goes some way to clearing up the points made here. i really appreciate board members bringing these and any other issues to my attention so they can be discussed and hopefully resolved.

regards.

bj

[quote=dr bj; 1358825]to be honest i didn't see that he was asking any questions, more like making a statement. as i have stated before and this is not confined to the salon, but applies right across this industry, if a client takes a lady and he is not happy with certain aspects of the service, please, either use the telephone or come down stairs and tell us that you would like to change the lady. we will be more than happy to oblige. across the three venues, unfortunately, there will be occasions when a lady and a client are simply not compatible i. e there is zero chemistry between them. these ladies are human beings and the reality is that humans are temperamental.

someone posted a report that his friend went to the salon and the bj was more like a scraping session which left him in pain for three days. for the life of me i cannot understand why he sat there for 30 minutes and neither told the lady to alter her technique or asked for a change of lady. nic, i am sure you don't give a rats ass if letter c is popular or not. the point i was attempting to demonstrate here is the compatibility factor. i accept this guy is being 100% honest when he said he did not like her technique, there are a lot of guys who love her technique and will not go with any other lady. i hope this goes some way to clearing up the points made here. i really appreciate board members bringing these and any other issues to my attention so they can be discussed and hopefully resolved.

regards.

bj[/quote]now this is your best post yet! why did you not write that in the first place? sure we all understand that there needs to be chemistry, but the interesting factor is: what is your mo as a business.

i think you made it very clear: at dr bj, if one is not happy, one can change girls. this is a very good business model. well done.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1357781]It's ok, but careful with the Cashier, she's a scammer.[/QUOTE]Do you have a report on a session there? With the submissives is it full services?

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1358799]I said a similiar thing but it didn't pass the censors, I guess. The good dr is too darn sensitive. So what if he makes a ton out of marketing non-pretty girls-if it works it works.

But seeing as how he is-I wouldn't patronize his place if it were the last venue in BKK.[/QUOTE]I have been following the posts of the owner of DR. BJ in the months since I joined and I tend to agree with the above post as it refers to his sensitivity. By using the username DR. BJ which the administrator has allowed so no issues there he uses the forum as his marketing platform by continuously posting on numerous topics some of which I find informative and helpful others less so. However as soon as anybody dares post a negative comment they are treated as the enemy. I have no comment on what the girls or the service at his place are like as I haven't been there, my point is that if you use the forum to promote your business as much as he does I feel you have got to be prepared to accept both the good and the bad as it relates to member's experiences and not take it so personally. I trust this will be accepted in the spirit it was intended.

Regards

I'm not really a value monger per se. I like to visit the best places a city has to offer. That being said. What are the best brothels, massage parlors, girl bars, etc. In the city. Is there a more upscale district for these sort of places?

Thank you in advance.

Just returned from south of Thailand too Bangkok late at night.

"pai ko Samet tae mai set" said the hot little tanned thing in the 7Eleven (near to Nana Plaza and Annies) , talking to her friend the cashier. LOL. It rhymes and means "I went to Koh Samet (with some customer presumably) but did not have any orgasm".

A Thai working girl expects to enjoy the sex and is disappointed when his technique or style wasn't suiting her.

I went into Rainbow 4. One pretty girl appealed (or 2 or 3). Called one over for a drink. She got to the bar fine part within the first minute I think. I asked how long I would get. One hour was the reply. I said "not long enough". The reply "What's wrong? You can't finish and want to boom-boom too long?". I just don't want to be rushed. That would interfere with me having a fun time. We never got to the price part. I said no thanks pretty quickly, and ran away to Soi Cowboy where I know I can get guaranteed super-fun girls.

Sheba has just closed so all the Sheba girls are now in Suzi Wong. Sheba could not afford the new rent. New owners: Shark owner is said to have a half share with I forget who. Thankfully, its not "the Arab" setting up another silly Coyote bar. Of course I guess some of the Sheba mamasans, cashiers and DJs may have lost their jobs. Obviously SW has a lot of girls now. Best ones went early in the evening. No problem I could still find some suitable Suzi / Sheba girls.

Yao is a good dancer with cute arse is just finished dancing rotation, and is happy to see me. She is just first day back from up country and so is very horny after a period of no sex. In the next rotation Not is dancing and keeps making faces to me. She expects I am hot for her, but why aren't I calling her over for a drink too. I play the little game. There is no nod to indicate "come here". She must keep going. I am admiring the hot smooth shaven body. Eventually, after my eyes have feasted, I call her over. Haven't been watching girls dancing nude for some time, so not totally bored by it. I stay for the Lesbian show and one other with little Not on my lap. BF Yao and Not. Neither has tits of any size but both have nice curves waist to bum, and very cute arses. Both have pretty faces to my taste, at least well above average, if not stunners.

Very leasurely double trouble back at Hotel with Yao and Not, starting with the shower show. Neither girl smokes. Great to be tongue kissing both of them concurrently. I then do DATY for each of them in turn with the other kissing and playing with the other's tits. Next I get a dual blow job. One takes the pole and the other the balls. Wow this is heaven.

Both were rather tight and had to stretch their pussies out gradually. Yao is made slightly longer inside and can take the full length much quicker. She fits me absolutely perfectly. You know, some girls are too large and sloppy, some too tight. Her pussy muscles contract to massage the dick, while you do her. She is wanting to come again. Both were done in various positions. Sometimes would be fucking one in some position and she would have her fingers deep in the other girl's pussy and kissing her. They are not really lesbians but seem to into Bi-sexual stuff in a big way.

In all, was one of my best 2 girl sessions ever. Both girls seemed really horny. Several condoms used. Total time. 2 hours plus. I just don't like to rush it. Prices never discusssed, but give them generous tips based on the length of time, the energy and effort they put in, and how much enjoyment I got. I like girls to understnad that if they really produce an outstanding session, they will get rewarded for it. Its its ordinary they will receive ordinary money."Carrot and the stick". Thankfully I did not take a Rainbow 4 girl and get a rushed for a business like quickie. Okay I know that not every girl in R4 will be that way, but picking the right one could be hit and miss. Its just much easier to find the Sanook-plus girls in Suzi Wong (Cowboy).

Nice report syz.

Ill definitely put Suzie Wong on my to do list.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1358737]I think he was merely advising you to ignore some of the more overly negative posters on the forum who can't give balanced and fair reports. We do have some apparent nutters a times. Criticism does not need to be defended. You might respond if you trully intend to make some change, but otherwise you just merely take note of what people say, gather all the opinions, and try to form a more balanced view yourself.

As an owner of the place, you by default must lose all arguments and expect to be criticised over absolutely everything.[/QUOTE]Very good advice. While the vast majority of posters use the forum in a constructive way there is always the "moronic" minority who are no more than sad keyboard warriors. I get the impression these people don't even go to most of the places they write negatively about and simply jump on the bandwagon of other genuine posters. If you stop to consider their approach it is quite tragic, imagine switching on your computer every day and thinking to yourself "right, what spiteful negative bile can I spew undeservedly onto various internet forums"? As an example, when I go out I always have a positive attitude (I am not saying I feel on top of the world all the time and when I am not in a good mood I just don't go out). This rubs off on the people around you and generates a positive atmosphere for everyone.

On the other hand some people go out with completely the wrong attitude thinking "someone will probably try to rip me off tonight","these girls are trying to take as much money for as little service as possible","I don't like all these Japanese, Indians, Americans, British (especially those Scottish ones)","Bangkok is not the place it used to be ten years ago","I have been coming to Thailand for fifteen years and deserve to be shown more respect" and on and on. Then they come on forums like this one and protest about what a shit time they had the other night. I think in future I will take some of the "bottom rung of the evolutionary scale" posters less seriously.

Regards.

BJ

[QUOTE=MisterMonger; 1359072]I'm not really a value monger per se. I like to visit the best places a city has to offer. That being said. What are the best brothels, massage parlors, girl bars, etc. In the city. Is there a more upscale district for these sort of places?

Thank you in advance.[/QUOTE]"Best places" is an ill-defined concept, but for farangs Soi Cowboy is -IMHO- the area you should explore. I read that Sheba closed and that the Sheba girls now hang out at Suzie Wong, so have a look there. Baccara is also a good place to check out, although it caters to the Japanese crowds and can get a bit too busy too my liking.

The problem for you Doc is when you retort in kind or in similar fashion as the very posters you described below, you lose. You are promoting a business and as such when responding to issues about your business your decorum has to be way above the people in the gutter or the bottom rung as you put it. Oddly enough I got a very good BJ from a girl named Rung last night. I'm not telling you anything you don't know but insulting members may make you feel better in real time but in the long run you will join the list of other businesses that are persona non grata on ISG.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1358979]Had some dinneratsubway the other day. There is just no traffic in that soi the dr is in. How the bleep does he make so much money?

I think hhe should have located the new branches in the arab soi. Arabs like unattractive types-esp the girls with hairy backs. LOL.

3 locations within seconds of each other-I guess the dr never hear of cannibalization when it cums to buznit![/QUOTE]IMO, he should have put the Budget Bangers around the On Nut BTS area. There's nothing to speak of as far as night life goes, especially the naughty variety and plenty of farangs running around alone or with ugly girls. (not saying all farangs hang with ugly ones, but around here its extremely common). The cannibalization. Almost like the Ipad Mini outselling the Ipad. Perhaps Dr. BJ doesn't share the visionary genius as Steve jobs did? LOL (he never wanted to sell a mini)

I'd be in favor of removing the Chester's Grill at Tesco and replacing it with a BJ Bar hehe

Had a session there, because always walked past on way to get my car from parking lot (which is just a open grass area). Anyways I looked at the book went with mimi, she loos nothing like her photo (she is the mimi in white dress) , but that was cool she was friendly and I enjoyed her good personality. She gave a great massage very firm and felt like the real deal. 8/10.

She then took off her towel explained the tip situation and she went for it, great oral skills and nice sex in all positions. Over all 8/10 for the sex. Was a little expensive for the tip as I can tip 1500 at tulip and here was 2000. Side note about anal, BBFS and toys pm if you interested.

But I would at least recommend or visit.

I really enjoyed your post. I think that last part really sums up, how to enjoy your time with the ladies with out tying to pay the least amount possible, good work.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1359121]Just returned from south of Thailand too Bangkok late at night.

"pai ko Samet tae mai set" said the hot little tanned thing in the 7Eleven (near to Nana Plaza and Annies) , talking to her friend the cashier. LOL. It rhymes and means "I went to Koh Samet (with some customer presumably) but did not have any orgasm".

A Thai working girl expects to enjoy the sex and is disappointed when his technique or style wasn't suiting her.

I went into Rainbow 4. One pretty girl appealed (or 2 or 3). Called one over for a drink. She got to the bar fine part within the first minute I think. I asked how long I would get. One hour was the reply. I said "not long enough". The reply "What's wrong? You can't finish and want to boom-boom too long?". I just don't want to be rushed. That would interfere with me having a fun time. We never got to the price part. I said no thanks pretty quickly, and ran away to Soi Cowboy where I know I can get guaranteed super-fun girls.

Sheba has just closed so all the Sheba girls are now in Suzi Wong. Sheba could not afford the new rent. New owners: Shark owner is said to have a half share with I forget who. Thankfully, its not "the Arab" setting up another silly Coyote bar. Of course I guess some of the Sheba mamasans, cashiers and DJs may have lost their jobs. Obviously SW has a lot of girls now. Best ones went early in the evening. No problem I could still find some suitable Suzi / Sheba girls.

Yao is a good dancer with cute arse is just finished dancing rotation, and is happy to see me. She is just first day back from up country and so is very horny after a period of no sex. In the next rotation Not is dancing and keeps making faces to me. She expects I am hot for her, but why aren't I calling her over for a drink too. I play the little game. There is no nod to indicate "come here". She must keep going. I am admiring the hot smooth shaven body. Eventually, after my eyes have feasted, I call her over. Haven't been watching girls dancing nude for some time, so not totally bored by it. I stay for the Lesbian show and one other with little Not on my lap. BF Yao and Not. Neither has tits of any size but both have nice curves waist to bum, and very cute arses. Both have pretty faces to my taste, at least well above average, if not stunners.

Very leasurely double trouble back at Hotel with Yao and Not, starting with the shower show. Neither girl smokes. Great to be tongue kissing both of them concurrently. I then do DATY for each of them in turn with the other kissing and playing with the other's tits. Next I get a dual blow job. One takes the pole and the other the balls. Wow this is heaven.

Both were rather tight and had to stretch their pussies out gradually. Yao is made slightly longer inside and can take the full length much quicker. She fits me absolutely perfectly. You know, some girls are too large and sloppy, some too tight. Her pussy muscles contract to massage the dick, while you do her. She is wanting to come again. Both were done in various positions. Sometimes would be fucking one in some position and she would have her fingers deep in the other girl's pussy and kissing her. They are not really lesbians but seem to into Bi-sexual stuff in a big way.

In all, was one of my best 2 girl sessions ever. Both girls seemed really horny. Several condoms used. Total time. 2 hours plus. I just don't like to rush it. Prices never discusssed, but give them generous tips based on the length of time, the energy and effort they put in, and how much enjoyment I got. I like girls to understnad that if they really produce an outstanding session, they will get rewarded for it. Its its ordinary they will receive ordinary money."Carrot and the stick". Thankfully I did not take a Rainbow 4 girl and get a rushed for a business like quickie. Okay I know that not every girl in R4 will be that way, but picking the right one could be hit and miss. Its just much easier to find the Sanook-plus girls in Suzi Wong (Cowboy).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SuperRaven;1359229]She then took off her towel explained the tip situation and she went for it, great oral skills and nice sex in all positions. Over all 8/10 for the sex. Was a little expensive for the tip as I can tip 1500 at tulip and here was 2000. Side note about anal, BBFS and toys pm if you interested.[/QUOTE]1500 is the going rate for FS. As this is not an ANAL place, girls usually ask for more. 2k for FS and Anal is a good price, usually they add 1k to the fee (2, 5k total)

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1359211]IMO, he should have put the Budget Bangers around the On Nut BTS area. There's nothing to speak of as far as night life goes, especially the naughty variety and plenty of farangs running around alone or with ugly girls.[/QUOTE]Sadly, this is very true.

Stickman Weekly 9/12/2012:

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[QUOTE=Run Mann;1359206]The problem for you Doc is when you retort in kind or in similar fashion as the very posters you described below, you lose. You are promoting a business and as such when responding to issues about your business your decorum has to be way above the people in the gutter or the bottom rung as you put it. Oddly enough I got a very good BJ from a girl named Rung last night. I'm not telling you anything you don't know but insulting members may make you feel better in real time but in the long run you will join the list of other businesses that are persona non grata on ISG.[/QUOTE]I think the comment he just made before yours is a generic monger and ISG forum member rather than from the guy running a business as DrBJ's.

Incidentally he runs a mongering business.
Incidentally he openly deals with criticisms.
Incidentally (and we don't know much, only the criticising guy can tell if he goes again) he will address some of the issues and correct them for the benefit of his business and his customers (lot of us)

DrBJ (the guy) is straight enough (I can't voucher for honest, LOL) to write here with his business name both when he mongers elsewhere and when he deal with with business discussion. We can say he does that also as a marketing tool (every time he posts the name of the business come out). That could be, of course.

How many of us can't stand guys coming here with questions that demand only one answer: RTFF?
How many times did we comment ""Schools out, kids are back again here"?
Similarly below DrBJ remarks are just like that: an observation of the guys mongering and bothering around.

[QUOTE=Oidar; 1357972]It has gone to the shitter around here.

The night life has gotten just as bad. Spending 3000+ baht guarantees you nothing. Once you accept that most girls only want to offer covered sex for as long it takes you to bust a nut, it makes BKK the same as many American, Canadian, and European cities where you can easily find all races of w*ores.

Bangkok's a great city, everybody should come here once. But now to come here repeatly for mongering is flat out, fucking stupid.[/QUOTE]

Fully agree. Bangkok sex scene went down the drain in a fairly short time span (back in 2008 it was still good). GFE used to be the norm and is now the thing of the past. In the good old days, ST was often a leisurely 1-2h with no limits and one could get a girl for LT knowing there's an 80% chance it would go well, but these days it's a rare thing, most aim for a 15min one-shot affair, and if you specifically ask them for two shots or to go to a place 20min away many decline, and those who agree bolt out as soon as done. Quality of working girls is terrible compared to civilians in the streets. Prices are not so cheap either, especially given the service decline. The only saving grace for Bangkok is sheer quantity, which is still massive compared to other cities.

Pattaya is still holding on, but service there declined too to a large extent (although it's far better than Bangkok)... at least prices are reasonable, so missing a few does not matter much.

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1359187]Very good advice. While the vast majority of posters use the forum in a constructive way there is always the "moronic" minority who are no more than sad keyboard warriors. I get the impression these people don't even go to most of the places they write negatively about and simply jump on the bandwagon of other genuine posters. If you stop to consider their approach it is quite tragic, imagine switching on your computer every day and thinking to yourself "right, what spiteful negative bile can I spew undeservedly onto various internet forums"? As an example, when I go out I always have a positive attitude (I am not saying I feel on top of the world all the time and when I am not in a good mood I just don't go out). This rubs off on the people around you and generates a positive atmosphere for everyone.

On the other hand some people go out with completely the wrong attitude thinking "someone will probably try to rip me off tonight","these girls are trying to take as much money for as little service as possible","I don't like all these Japanese, Indians, Americans, British (especially those Scottish ones)","Bangkok is not the place it used to be ten years ago","I have been coming to Thailand for fifteen years and deserve to be shown more respect" and on and on. Then they come on forums like this one and protest about what a shit time they had the other night. I think in future I will take some of the "bottom rung of the evolutionary scale" posters less seriously.

Regards.

BJ[/QUOTE]OK, the good Dr. Is promoting his business, however I wish to add a dissenting report. I visited the premises earlier this year and had a geat BJ from a 700Baht girl which the Dr. Recommended. The place was clean, no filthy curtains, a distinct and seperate private room with AC, well run and the girl gave great service (at the 15 minute mark she told me I had 15 mins. Left) so I was then able to concentrate on emptying my sack which I luckily was able to do at the 29 minute mark. I left there happy and will return again early next year. End of story. He has a business and some cutomers are satified.

If the good DR, offers me a discount, I will gladly accept.

Johnie

[QUOTE=Dr BJ;1359187]I get the impression these people don't even go to most of the places they write negatively about and simply jump on the bandwagon of other genuine posters. If you stop to consider their approach it is quite tragic, imagine switching on your computer every day and thinking to yourself "right, what spiteful negative bile can I spew undeservedly onto various internet forums"? As an example, when I go out I always have a positive attitude (I am not saying I feel on top of the world all the time and when I am not in a good mood I just don't go out). This rubs off on the people around you and generates a positive atmosphere for everyone.[/QUOTE]Very well put. I agree entirely. Your only problem is that you should consider censoring yourself more and not saying precisely what you think, at least as "Dr BJ". Let others say it instead will work better for you. Perhaps you should have another secret handle and use that for all normal reports on the forum without it being known that it is Dr BJ. Otherwise everyone just questions your motives on every single post and every little point you make.

Dr. BJ should stick to reporting pure fact that cannot be disputed. I think you will find Giotto puts in less and less opinion, especially about his business and sticks to facts as far as possible.
I just suggest based on what I would try to do if I was a business owner. Obviously its entirely your choice.

[QUOTE=MisterMonger; 1359072]I'm not really a value monger per se. I like to visit the best places a city has to offer. That being said. What are the best brothels, massage parlors, girl bars, etc. In the city. Is there a more upscale district for these sort of places?

Thank you in advance.[/QUOTE]Perhaps you mean upmarket rather than upscale. The whole of Sukhumvit from Soi 4 through to Soi? Is upscale with a huge number of massage parlours and also many bars in selected locations.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp; 1359481]Fully agree. Bangkok sex scene went down the drain in a fairly short time span (back in 2008 it was still good). GFE used to be the norm and is now the thing of the past. In the good old days, ST was often a leisurely 1-2h with no limits and one could get a girl for LT knowing there's an 80% chance it would go well, but these days it's a rare thing, most aim for a 15min one-shot affair, and if you specifically ask them for two shots or to go to a place 20min away many decline, and those who agree bolt out as soon as done. Quality of working girls is terrible compared to civilians in the streets. Prices are not so cheap either, especially given the service decline. The only saving grace for Bangkok is sheer quantity, which is still massive compared to other cities.

Pattaya is still holding on, but service there declined too to a large extent (although it's far better than Bangkok). At least prices are reasonable, so missing a few does not matter much.[/QUOTE]Tis a shame actually. 13 years ago when I moved here, it was, well, quite a paradise. Less developed, cheaper, lots of WGs with pretty good attitudes. Now, can't say the same. I would agree that the late stages of the decline have been fairly rapid, almost geometric. Less than attractive girls demanding big money and giving very little in the way of performance. The lookers know they can milk the new guys for big bucks. Just like any other place on the planet. You can get a wham bam in TX with an Asian gal for 140 USD. Here if you have a few drinks and take a gogo chick, you are almost at that figure.

I was back in my home state of TX not to long ago and actually think that if the decline continues I might consider moving back. Aside from the sex issue, quality of life in TX is pretty good. Great music, craft beers, and hey, plenty of opportunity, the TX economy is going strong. Here, well, face it guys, we move here for the girls. Thais have always just tolerated us and as things develop here they tolerate us less. We are never given a fair shot when it comes to doing biz, etc, so again, we are back to the gals. Will ride it out a year or two more and see how things go.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1359524]I was back in my home state of TX not to long ago and actually think that if the decline continues I might consider moving back. Aside from the sex issue, quality of life in TX is pretty good. Great music, craft beers, and hey, plenty of opportunity, the TX economy is going strong. Here, well, face it guys, we move here for the girls. Thais have always just tolerated us and as things develop here they tolerate us less. We are never given a fair shot when it comes to doing biz, etc, so again, we are back to the gals. Will ride it out a year or two more and see how things go.[/QUOTE]I completely Disagree. Thailand (and especially Bangkok) is just dealing with progress and I think they are handling themselves pretty well given the circumstances (Economical, Political and others). Yes Bangkok is becoming more like its sister cities, yes prices are increasing and yes, girls are driving better prices. Blaming Thailand is just not fair.

Thais are just taking advantage or us because we are a bunch of Lame Fuckers (for the most part).

Think about it, if guys would refuse to pay 3k for the night, then the girls would lower their prices wouldn't they? But no, there are always some people to pay for it.

Girl gives bad service, customer still tips.

Girl in the room and says she has to leave in a hurry but still demands money.

Girl does not get the money she wants, creates a tantrum and the guy finally pays.

Girls says to her friend that she got 1500 from her client and she did not do BJ, not allow fingering or DATY and not do CG or Doggy. Girl#2 is stunned as she gets 1500 for Anal and all sorts of services she allows.

AND, I saved the best for Last:

A moron on this forum writing in his report that the girl at NATAREE did not allow him to lick her pussy, so he paid 1, 000 thb more for the "Privilege". Now I am wondering how many girls will try the same stunt.

The problem is not with Thai girls, it's with the 90% of idiots that are not aware about Forums or pricing structures.

For the record, I came here because the employment offer was too good to pass up. Believe it or not, I did not even consider Mongering in my decision to move to Thailand. (I had never been here before).

[QUOTE=Oldian;1358314]Prices have not come down, they have gone up. But strangely enough, in front of the Nana car park and thereabouts girls ask 1000 with no bargaining needed. There are occasionally some cuties, but most want quickies at nearby hotels[/QUOTE]Prices certainly go up, but not very fast. I remember when going to a soapy 10 to 12 years ago, that the tip for the girl for sex was 1K. So if standard tip for a baseline girl is now 1. 5K, that is only 50% increase in 10 years. Not too bad really and besides my home currency is worth a lot more Baht than what it was many years ago, which negates most of the price rise.

[QUOTE=Oidar;1357972]The night life has gotten just as bad. Spending 3000+ baht guarantees you nothing. Once you accept that most girls only want to offer covered sex for as long it takes you to bust a nut, it makes BKK the same as many American, Canadian, and European cities where you can easily find all races[/QUOTE]Many girls finally have woken up that they should not do bare-back.

I know of one girl that worked the Thermae Soapy 20 years ago, quite cute, and is still a WG supporting her pimp who gambles etc. As she was willing to do uncovered, it was only a matter of time till she eventually got Aids. Aids does not stop her working and she probably sees little reason not to allow bareback still. Many of her customers would have been Thais, who like bareback. I have never been with her, as I used to do her close friend, in old times.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1359572]For the record, I came here because the employment offer was too good to pass up. Believe it or not, I did not even consider Mongering in my decision to move to Thailand. (I had never been here before).[/QUOTE]I had a chance to go work in BKK but wimped out and went to Malaysia instead. Purely because I know the mongering would overtake the working life. Starts with a little massage in early evening then progresses to early afternoon then then then.

Those who live in BKK and do a full time job as normal have my admiration for excercising great self control.

[QUOTE=Johnie;1359509]If the good DR, offers me a discount, I will gladly accept.[/QUOTE]Glad that you enjoyed your visit to the salon and thank you for reporting it on here. Being from Scotland that discount thing might be a bit difficult.

Regards.

BJ

[QUOTE=FreebieFan; 1359591]Starts with a little massage in early evening then progresses to early afternoon then then then.

Those who live in BKK and do a full time job as normal have my admiration for excercising great self control.[/QUOTE]No no. Guys go crazy for sex with many girls / sessions per day at first, but then you slow down a lot, and may not even need sex every day. The need for constant sex really should decline back to normal levels. Massage is not something I really need at all.

There is no way I would choose Malaysia, for reasons of sex. Sex is available in Malaysia too. Just a bit more illegal.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1359572]I completely Disagree. Thailand (and especially Bangkok) is just dealing with progress and I think they are handling themselves pretty well given the circumstances (Economical, Political and others). Yes Bangkok is becoming more like its sister cities, yes prices are increasing and yes, girls are driving better prices. Blaming Thailand is just not fair.

Thais are just taking advantage or us because we are a bunch of Lame Fuckers (for the most part).

Think about it, if guys would refuse to pay 3k for the night, then the girls would lower their prices wouldn't they? But no, there are always some people to pay for it.

Girl gives bad service, customer still tips.

Girl in the room and says she has to leave in a hurry but still demands money.

Girl does not get the money she wants, creates a tantrum and the guy finally pays.

Girls says to her friend that she got 1500 from her client and she did not do BJ, not allow fingering or DATY and not do CG or Doggy. Girl#2 is stunned as she gets 1500 for Anal and all sorts of services she allows.

AND, I saved the best for Last:

A moron on this forum writing in his report that the girl at NATAREE did not allow him to lick her pussy, so he paid 1, 000 thb more for the "Privilege". Now I am wondering how many girls will try the same stunt.

The problem is not with Thai girls, it's with the 90% of idiots that are not aware about Forums or pricing structures.

For the record, I came here because the employment offer was too good to pass up. Believe it or not, I did not even consider Mongering in my decision to move to Thailand. (I had never been here before).[/QUOTE]I don't see what you are disagreeing with Nic. In fact, I agree with everything that you said in your post. It is of course the punters fault, but that does not negate the fact that there is far more opportunity for women outside the "biz" these days.
Difference is Nic, years ago they needed us here for our business expertise. We were tolerated never really liked. Now they don't need us, they are able to do many more things for themselves as are many of the Asean nations. When the Asean agreement goes into full force in 2015 there will really be little need for Farang expertise as you will have a pretty free flow of labor throughout the region.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1359582]Prices certainly go up, but not very fast. I remember when going to a soapy 10 to 12 years ago, that the tip for the girl for sex was 1K. So if standard tip for a baseline girl is now 1. 5K, that is only 50% increase in 10 years. Not too bad really and besides my home currency is worth a lot more Baht than what it was many years ago, which negates most of the price rise.[/QUOTE]Soapy and oily prices have remained constant. Go Go prices are more than 100% more than 10 years ago. Taken that most punters currencies have fallen against the baht, you have quite a double whammy. A few drinks for yourself and the gal, BF, and ST used to be a little more than 50 USD. Now between 125 and 150 US.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1359621]Soapy and oily prices have remained constant. Go Go prices are more than 100% more than 10 years ago. Taken that most punters currencies have fallen against the baht, you have quite a double whammy. A few drinks for yourself and the gal, BF, and ST used to be a little more than 50 USD. Now between 125 and 150 US.[/QUOTE]okay a good point. I do recall 20 years ago the price norm for all night with bar girl from Cowboy was 400 to 500 Baht. I don't remember the BF but may have been only 100+ baht or so. ST hardly existed at Cowboy (meaning always long time) and ST probably was used only at PatPong. I think 10 years ago, I had little opportunity to do an all nighter, so don't remember the prices. Even if I had a chance I would not have known the typical prices, not being an ISG member or anything. 10 years back was Soapy MP bliss. The best places had lots of girls to choose from. I think I only started going back to bars once I found out that bars like Long Gun and Suzi Wong had returned to fully nude dancing. The idea of seeing everything first before choosing and then getting to chat to the girls for a while before choosing, appealed to me. Then no surprises.

I expect that bar girls having insufficient customers has driven the price up. The idea of supply and demand driving the price does not seem to apply to bar girls. The less customers they get, the more they need to charge.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1359629]I expect that bar girls having insufficient customers has driven the price up. The idea of supply and demand driving the price does not seem to apply to bar girls. The less customers they get, the more they need to charge.[/QUOTE]Thai logic applied to Economics!

Regards.

BJ

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1359619]When the Asean agreement goes into full force in 2015 there will really be little need for Farang expertise as you will have a pretty free flow of labor throughout the region.[/QUOTE]Free flow of qualified experts or manufacturing laborers? What am I missing here? Singapore still has plenty of expats. Same with Hong Kong. So why will the ASEAN agreement mean that the developing nations don't need expat experts?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1359629]. ST probably was used only at PatPong.[/QUOTE]I remember the first time a Bangkok girl informed me she only went for short time. It was about 1991. She was indeed from Patpong and she was ultra-hot, but I'd already paid the barfine so I was kind of irritated and sent her packing without giving her a baht more. My loss, of course, especially when years later I came to realize that the true monger should embrace the short time. When it's good it just naturally tends to turn into a long time anyhow. In one case for me, uh, six years.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1359340]Leave them chesters grill alone. LOL. They had this korean chx thing that is fu. Ing unbelievable delicious. Don't know but they might have stopped it the other day. The ramama 5 branch had no sign of it still being offered.

That ideo verveatonnuch looks like a finalist for me. Under 20k for a one bedroom.

The dr not gettin a whole lotta love! I don't like the dr, but some sage advice as he is incapable of addressing concerns legitimately, keep your mouth shut.[/QUOTE]If they ever closed all the Chester Grill restaurants, unemployment would rise 50. I'm amazed every time I'm there, ya got about 10 employees there standing around. One to throw away the trays, another to deliver the food. A manager, a few cooks, cash register gals... And maybe another one standing there and who the hell knows why LOL.
My only other beef with them is their entire menu is in Thai, I feel a little discriminated against LOL.

Anyways. On to more important things. Has anyone ever been to a Kapoo club? I did a search but couldn't find anything. I'm not sure if it's just a glorified Jack Shack or an actual full service joint.

Stumbled upon this site: [url]http://www.kapooclub.com/[/url]

Regardless, I think I'll check one of those places out when I find the time and visit one close to a nearby MRT or BTS station.

First let me say I enjoy your contributions and others as well. While reading your comment a few posts back it got me thinking. You said " The law of supply and demand driving the price does not seem to apply. (Seems true to me). The less customers they get the more they need to charge.

That got me thinking.

For some reason this sounds like female logic as in wife or GF. The more you have to support them the less you get. Could I be wrong? Just a crazy thought.

I don't understand the criticism of Dr BJ. His posts are usually informative and down to earth as far as I can tell. That includes his responses to those who criticize his business.

To have actual bar owners posting here is a good thing, one we should encourage IMO, as long as they are not just marketing their place.

I'm not a DrBJ customer, by the way.

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1359787]I don't understand the criticism of Dr BJ. His posts are usually informative and down to earth as far as I can tell. That includes his responses to those who criticize his business.

To have actual bar owners posting here is a good thing, one we should encourage IMO, as long as they are not just marketing their place.

I'm not a DrBJ customer, by the way.[/QUOTE]I was going to post something similar.

Is every meal you get in a restaurant perfect? Is very car you buy trouble free? You can go on and on about trying to run a business.

The guy is friendly if you meet him and will answer questions.

I think his shops provide a decent servcie at a resonable price. You want stunners giving $22 BJs and $33 fucks? Good luck.

And I also think his presence on here is good. How many other fuck shops are on here?

The guy and his places deserve a little more credit I think.

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1359787]I don't understand the criticism of Dr BJ. His posts are usually informative and down to earth as far as I can tell. That includes his responses to those who criticize his business.

To have actual bar owners posting here is a good thing, one we should encourage IMO, as long as they are not just marketing their place.

I'm not a DrBJ customer, by the way.[/QUOTE]Haters are going to hate.

I have been to BKK couple of times and well familar with Massage / BJ parlours. But the question is. What else is there for me to pick up some nice gilrs from for FS? Are places like Termae and Biere Garden open and teeming with resonable talent? What else are the choices for the adult fun and picks ups?

[QUOTE=Giotto; 1359341]Stickman Weekly 9/12/2012:

[URL]http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/StickmanWeeklyColumn2012/Livingstones-Bangkok.htm[/URL]

Giotto.

[URL]http://www.livingstoneslodge.com[/URL][/QUOTE]A fair interview with someone who knows the business. Interesting breakthrough Soi 33 that does not seem tobe the Soi 33 of apst times.

Thanks Dr. G. For having posted the link and having expressed your thoughts.

[quote=mackin;1359777]for some reason this sounds like female logic as in wife or gf. the more you have to support them the less you get. could i be wrong? just a crazy thought.[/quote]

who can understand the female of the species? they are not logical. some cannot be understood by other females as well.

certainly what you get from a girl bears no relation to what you give, when it comes to a wife / gf. girls sometimes have an ethic to defeat the carrot and stick principal, once you are under the thumb, so to speak. e.g. once they get a monthly amount, regardless. when i had an unpaid wife, i only got sex when she was horny (not that frequently) , and even then i hardly wanted it from her for various reasons. now have a gf and the sex is good, but its still not enough. take her out to get excited and have a few drinks may still be the best "leg opener". have not found a girl who is totally hot and wants to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] me every morning. also she is shy, so have to have a hawk eye for the subtle signs she is horny and wants one. she doesn't ever say "i am in the mood for a good fucking or a good blow job".

most of us also know that the larger the mount of money you give to a girl, the longer time she will disappear for. if the amount is large enough, she may never be seen again. at least you then know where you stand.

i hate to give girls money in advance. that gives them control and then you definitely get less than what you expected. only when they understand that what they will get is dependent on what they give, then i am feeling more in control. the game is all about maintaining the upper hand and paying the girl to leave or go away.

some guys believe that "treat them badly, keeps them keen". this is not me, but appears to have merits with some girls that operate completely contrary to normal logic. i have one girl who seems to treat me better because she thinks she has status of being the backup, should i leave the gf. therefore she is really striving to please. however she is not totally hot in looks. if she was, she would get the upper hand more easily.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1359873].The game is all about maintaining the upper hand and paying the girl to leave or go away.[/QUOTE]This is so true. American actor Charley Sheen is famous for going after P4p. During an interview, he was asked why he paid prostitutes for sex, when he could have any woman for free? His reply was that he didn't pay women for sex. He paid them to leave.

[QUOTE=Giotto; 1359341]Stickman Weekly 9/12/2012:

[URL]http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/StickmanWeeklyColumn2012/Livingstones-Bangkok.htm[/URL]

Giotto.

[URL]http://www.livingstoneslodge.com[/URL][/QUOTE]Interesting article. The expensive hostess bars were never something that attracted me that much, personally, simply because the girls were not outstanding enough to grab our attention. Not enough time and not endless money to spend. I only recall once seeing a girl sitting outside Christies that was stunningly beautiful and would have made me stay if I was not busy at the time. Too many of us on this forum were more into the hard core mongering. Hostess girls were a bit to hit and miss in terms of ability in bed.

The Soi remains a good location to stay, for those interested in MPs, but attractions of the Soi will be changing, now that it seems there are a lot less guys going to the hostess bars after work.

The Coyote bar and band still would be of interest to me on occasions. Also any place with really stunning girls. That is too tough due to the general lack of customers.

So much complaining about the prices and everything is turning so bad. I have a different view on this and that is that BKK is still fabilous and allways good value for money (fuckwice, entertainmentwice). Returning from my last BKK / Philly trip som days ago my impression is that everything is the same pricewice on the freelancemarket (Climax, Thermae, Bangkokbeat, CM2, MixxClub, Beergarden, Spasso, Shock69) as it was when I first started my mongerbusiness in 07/08. Spasso was known already back then as a 5K place and still is (but it depends I have had ladies from 3-6K from Spasso). On this trip my Spasso girl had to leave with just pocket change as she did not want to participate in BBBJ so I had to call in a substitute.

All the other places has in my mongerlife ran from 2-4K LT (mostly 3K). And I never discuss prices upfront with the girls. There are exceptions when girls are quoting a rediculess low price upfront, hehe.

Maby I am just lucky but I have paid these rates all my years as frequent BKK visitor. A ST Beergarden midday girl still runs for 1-2K.

Performance (except from mentioned Spasso experience) are from avarage to great and to be honest I would mostly great. I don't know why I don't have anything to complain about but I feel as long as I create a good mood at the discos it will most likely be a sucsess back home. It is all about attitude and how we click. That is why I like to ship a few drinks into the ladies first and talk and make jokes before we leave (as in she understands my twisted humor). And ofcourse if possible I try to spot possible Starfishes (and mostly I have to say I have avoided them). The way I do that is to not hit on 10 girls with a attitude. I rather pic them 7-9`s. First is they feel good as I did not choose the most stunning girl at, lets say, the table and allready here we have. Second they will most likely not give me the starfishprogram.

Not discussing prices upfront leaves allways me with the upper hand. Rarely have girls asked me how much I will pay them even back at the room (as we have allready created a good mood otherwice they will not come back to my room). I can tell them sometimes if I feel like it that they should not be worried and that I know the pricings (and I also stick to that) for the service provided. My weak point is anal and if a girl gives that kind of service then I am also a great tipper (without they knowing ofcourse). When they come out from the regular / obligatoric "before leave shower" they all find money in or under their purse. I can not remember anyone have complained so far.

So anyone happy with the situation these days or is it just me?

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1359903]So much complaining about the prices and everything is turning so bad.

So anyone happy with the situation these days or is it just me?[/QUOTE]Dear Skogis,

You are my boss, I second your comments and opinion.

Enjoy life

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1359903]So much complaining about the prices and everything is turning so bad. I have a different view on this and that is that BKK is still fabilous and allways good value for money (fuckwice, entertainmentwice).

So anyone happy with the situation these days or is it just me?[/QUOTE]Bangkok is Great!

I just spent 3 weeks in BKK in October. It was part of a 6 week trip through South East Asia which also included Singapore, Macau, Pattaya and Manila. This was my xx trip to the big Mango. Actually, I can't remember how many times I have been to this city since '89; close to 20 times I reckon. I had a great time here. It was one of my best trips. Here is a summary of some of the things that make BKK notable.

I don't spend much time in lower Sukhumvit. It used to be hot there back in the '90's, but today, I find it kind of too trashy for my tastes. Still I do like to visit Rainbow 4 a couple times every trip. Why? Because they ALWAYS have 3 or 4 stunners dancing on stage one. This last trip was no different. I met a cute very sexy spinner there. I take it slow with the interview and only after getting a real good feel for the girl did I ask her out. Price 600bf + 2000ST for soapy shower, DFK, BBBJ and shag in multiple positions. She would have gladly stayed all night for another 1000bt. Instead I took her back to Nana and we had drinks together for another couple of hours.

I always stay in upper Sukhumvit. I like the ambiance better. I have stayed in many hotels in this neighborhood. I like Admiral Premiere, Grand Millennium, Grand Centre Point Terminal 21, and the Marriott Sukhumvit Apartments. My favorite Go Go on Cowboy is Baccara. I am well known in this bar and have shagged many of their girls. 2 girls in particular are regulars of mine for the past 3 years. I get treated real well here. I leave tips for the waitresses. The current price is 600bf + 2000ST / 3000LT. I don't negotiate. If a girl quotes me too high I say no thanks and move on. I usually take my Baccara girls ST, but my regulars are pals, so my ST with them is 3 or 4 hours and includes dinner, sex, and drinking; usually in that order. I get a lot of GFE from my Baccara girls. YMMV, but if you know how to play the game and you are nice to the girls, I don't see how you can have a bad time here. I always try out a few new girls each trip so I am not only talking about my regulars.

Oily massage parlors have had the same pricing for a long time. On average it comes to 2100bt total for 90 minutes. All the Soi 24 massage parlors; Mango, Snow White, EZ, and Angel have good girls. On the last trip, Por from Mango gave me one of the best and longest lasting anal rim jobs I have ever had. One afternoon with nothing to do, I stopped by one of the small massage parlors north of Cowboy on Soi 23. The place is called Day Massage & Spa. I choose that one because I liked the girl that was sitting outside as I passed by. She was a 26 year old Issan girl with a killer body and she showed me a great time.

Then there are the clubs / discos like Climax with a ton of FL's and more basic pickup places like Thermae. I stopped by Thermae a couple times this trip, but did not take anyone. There are a lot of possibilities though and the price is negotiable with girls asking 2000bt ST to start.

Soapy Massage Parlors are at the higher end of BKK venues but worth it IMHO. I stopped by La Belle, my favorite on two occasions this trip. From the line up I picked Ai. She had short wavy black hair, and beautiful body. She was all smiles when she came down to greet me and as we waited for my receipt before going upstairs, she was extra very friendly – hugging me and holding hands. I thought: this is going to be good. In the room I told her how pretty she was and how much I liked her hair style. She smiled and said she had just had it done and that she use to have long hair. Then it hit me: I knew this girl. I had had her 2 times before in March 2012. She had instantly recognized me and that was why she so happy / friendly I had picked her. I apologized for not recognizing her, but I told her it was the hair that made her look different. She took that as a compliment. As the water was filling in the Jacuzzi, I took out my Canon SX 230HS and we had a little photo shoot. Then soapy bath, BBBJ that morphed into a 69, and sex. Ai is a great girl. I guess she is well on her way to becoming one of my regular soapy girls. Price expensive: 4200bt.

6. Spasso Bar, Grand Hyatt is another high end place I like to visit once in a while. On my October trip I stopped by around midnight and picked up a very attractive 30 year old. Some may wonder why I pay 4000bt for a ST with girls like this. Because they are classy looking, light skinned, and better educated girls than the usual Go Go girl or FL's is my answer. Pam was no exception. She looked like a small boutique owner or a Siam Paragon store girl. She had a very pretty face and she was curvy, with big natural 'C' breasts and large PINK Areola. The two hours I spent with her was very GFE. She gave me her phone number and wanted to get together again. I did not find the time to see her again, but maybe in March.

Gentleman's Clubs are the pinnacle of the BKK nightlife scene, but they are not for everybody. They are expensive and to succeed here you have to want to play the long game. But the prize is a beautiful, and I do mean beautiful, young (22-26) 'university' type. I like Pegasus, Sherbet and Maike. You can't be cheap here if you want to have a good time. Drinks, sitting fees, and the girl will cost up to 10, 000bt and more. Is it worth it? Well for one night, probably not, but to establish a relationship with one of these girls and to thus be able to see her in the afternoons or in the early morning for a fraction of the cost; damn right it is worth it.

Conclusion: this is my small summary of the possibilities available to discerning punters in BKK. I think BKK is still great. I don't know any other place in Asia with this much variety of venue. Singapore has more nationalities available, Macau has hot, hot Chinese girls, Manila has super friendly Filipinas, but BKK is still #1 as far as I am concerned and Thai girls remain my favorite girls in the world, although they do have strong competition from Chinese, Indonesian, and Filipina girls. Basically you can spend anywhere from 1, 500bt to 10, 000bt per night, up to you. Yes, you have to be smart about things and have some game, but I strongly believe that if a punter has a bad time in the big Mango, he should examine his own game and be honest about it before he puts it all on BKK. He must have done something wrong. On the other hand, BKK is not for everybody. Thank God we have choices. If BKK is not your kind of town, maybe Pattaya, AC, Phnom Penh is. I like all these destinations, but my favorite is Bangkok. YMMV.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1359924]Bangkok is Great!

Gentleman's Clubs are the pinnacle of the BKK nightlife scene, but they are not for everybody. They are expensive and to succeed here you have to want to play the long game. But the prize is a beautiful, and I do mean beautiful, young (22-26) 'university' type. I like Pegasus, Sherbet and Maike. You can't be cheap here if you want to have a good time. Drinks, sitting fees, and the girl will cost up to 10, 000bt and more. Is it worth it? Well for one night, probably not, but to establish a relationship with one of these girls and to thus be able to see her in the afternoons or in the early morning for a fraction of the cost; damn right it is worth it.

Conclusion: this is my small summary of the possibilities available to discerning punters in BKK. I think BKK is still great. I don't know any other place in Asia with this much variety of venue. Singapore has more nationalities available, Macau has hot, hot Chinese girls, Manila has super friendly Filipinas, but BKK is still #1 as far as I am concerned and Thai girls remain my favorite girls in the world, although they do have strong competition from Chinese, Indonesian, and Filipina girls. Basically you can spend anywhere from 1, 500bt to 10, 000bt per night, up to you. Yes, you have to be smart about things and have some game, but I strongly believe that if a punter has a bad time in the big Mango, he should examine his own game and be honest about it before he puts it all on BKK. He must have done something wrong. On the other hand, BKK is not for everybody. Thank God we have choices. If BKK is not your kind of town, maybe Pattaya, AC, Phnom Penh is. I like all these destinations, but my favorite is Bangkok. YMMV.[/QUOTE]Great report. You obviously appreciate the extraordinary beauty of asian women and no doubt treat them with respect, and I think when they sense that, its a win win for both parties. Now in regard to Pegasus, I understand its not a normal G club, but more like a (musical) theatrical performance venue, but one with expensive takeouts available (except for the girls in white I believe) kept over to the the side somewhere, however do you (or anyone else) happen to know if it has a bar or something similar, or do you just have to always sit down and watch the show? The 30, 000 optional membership price (thus free entry) might be more useful if it was configured for quick drop bys, if lets say someone was in town now and then for 3 weeks at time or so.

[QUOTE=Pita123;1359657]Free flow of qualified experts or manufacturing laborers? What am I missing here? Singapore still has plenty of expats. Same with Hong Kong. So why will the ASEAN agreement mean that the developing nations don't need expat experts?[/QUOTE]Pita, Sing and HK are far different situations. It is easier for a foreigner to work there and the business climate is far more open. You also have a lot more transparency. They are developed nations who were by the way both under British influence at one point. Just wait till Thai Hospitals are staffed with nurses from the 'Pines. They work cheaper.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1359924]Bangkok is Great!

I just spent 3 weeks in BKK in October. It was part of a 6 week trip through South East Asia which also included Singapore, Macau, Pattaya and Manila. This was my xx trip to the big Mango. Actually, I can't remember how many times I have been to this city since '89; close to 20 times I reckon. I had a great time here. It was one of my best trips. Here is a summary of some of the things that make BKK notable.

I don't spend much time in lower Sukhumvit. It used to be hot there back in the '90's, but today, I find it kind of too trashy for my tastes. Still I do like to visit Rainbow 4 a couple times every trip. Why? Because they ALWAYS have 3 or 4 stunners dancing on stage one. This last trip was no different. I met a cute very sexy spinner there. I take it slow with the interview and only after getting a real good feel for the girl did I ask her out. Price 600bf + 2000ST for soapy shower, DFK, BBBJ and shag in multiple positions. She would have gladly stayed all night for another 1000bt. Instead I took her back to Nana and we had drinks together for another couple of hours.

I always stay in upper Sukhumvit. I like the ambiance better. I have stayed in many hotels in this neighborhood. I like Admiral Premiere, Grand Millennium, Grand Centre Point Terminal 21, and the Marriott Sukhumvit Apartments. My favorite Go Go on Cowboy is Baccara. I am well known in this bar and have shagged many of their girls. 2 girls in particular are regulars of mine for the past 3 years. I get treated real well here. I leave tips for the waitresses. The current price is 600bf + 2000ST / 3000LT. I don't negotiate. If a girl quotes me too high I say no thanks and move on. I usually take my Baccara girls ST, but my regulars are pals, so my ST with them is 3 or 4 hours and includes dinner, sex, and drinking; usually in that order. I get a lot of GFE from my Baccara girls. YMMV, but if you know how to play the game and you are nice to the girls, I don't see how you can have a bad time here. I always try out a few new girls each trip so I am not only talking about my regulars.

Oily massage parlors have had the same pricing for a long time. On average it comes to 2100bt total for 90 minutes. All the Soi 24 massage parlors; Mango, Snow White, EZ, and Angel have good girls. On the last trip, Por from Mango gave me one of the best and longest lasting anal rim jobs I have ever had. One afternoon with nothing to do, I stopped by one of the small massage parlors north of Cowboy on Soi 23. The place is called Day Massage & Spa. I choose that one because I liked the girl that was sitting outside as I passed by. She was a 26 year old Issan girl with a killer body and she showed me a great time.

Then there are the clubs / discos like Climax with a ton of FL's and more basic pickup places like Thermae. I stopped by Thermae a couple times this trip, but did not take anyone. There are a lot of possibilities though and the price is negotiable with girls asking 2000bt ST to start.

Soapy Massage Parlors are at the higher end of BKK venues but worth it IMHO. I stopped by La Belle, my favorite on two occasions this trip. From the line up I picked Ai. She had short wavy black hair, and beautiful body. She was all smiles when she came down to greet me and as we waited for my receipt before going upstairs, she was extra very friendly – hugging me and holding hands. I thought: this is going to be good. In the room I told her how pretty she was and how much I liked her hair style. She smiled and said she had just had it done and that she use to have long hair. Then it hit me: I knew this girl. I had had her 2 times before in March 2012. She had instantly recognized me and that was why she so happy / friendly I had picked her. I apologized for not recognizing her, but I told her it was the hair that made her look different. She took that as a compliment. As the water was filling in the Jacuzzi, I took out my Canon SX 230HS and we had a little photo shoot. Then soapy bath, BBBJ that morphed into a 69, and sex. Ai is a great girl. I guess she is well on her way to becoming one of my regular soapy girls. Price expensive: 4200bt.

6. Spasso Bar, Grand Hyatt is another high end place I like to visit once in a while. On my October trip I stopped by around midnight and picked up a very attractive 30 year old. Some may wonder why I pay 4000bt for a ST with girls like this. Because they are classy looking, light skinned, and better educated girls than the usual Go Go girl or FL's is my answer. Pam was no exception. She looked like a small boutique owner or a Siam Paragon store girl. She had a very pretty face and she was curvy, with big natural 'C' breasts and large PINK Areola. The two hours I spent with her was very GFE. She gave me her phone number and wanted to get together again. I did not find the time to see her again, but maybe in March.

Gentleman's Clubs are the pinnacle of the BKK nightlife scene, but they are not for everybody. They are expensive and to succeed here you have to want to play the long game. But the prize is a beautiful, and I do mean beautiful, young (22-26) 'university' type. I like Pegasus, Sherbet and Maike. You can't be cheap here if you want to have a good time. Drinks, sitting fees, and the girl will cost up to 10, 000bt and more. Is it worth it? Well for one night, probably not, but to establish a relationship with one of these girls and to thus be able to see her in the afternoons or in the early morning for a fraction of the cost; damn right it is worth it.

Conclusion: this is my small summary of the possibilities available to discerning punters in BKK. I think BKK is still great. I don't know any other place in Asia with this much variety of venue. Singapore has more nationalities available, Macau has hot, hot Chinese girls, Manila has super friendly Filipinas, but BKK is still #1 as far as I am concerned and Thai girls remain my favorite girls in the world, although they do have strong competition from Chinese, Indonesian, and Filipina girls. Basically you can spend anywhere from 1, 500bt to 10, 000bt per night, up to you. Yes, you have to be smart about things and have some game, but I strongly believe that if a punter has a bad time in the big Mango, he should examine his own game and be honest about it before he puts it all on BKK. He must have done something wrong. On the other hand, BKK is not for everybody. Thank God we have choices. If BKK is not your kind of town, maybe Pattaya, AC, Phnom Penh is. I like all these destinations, but my favorite is Bangkok. YMMV.[/QUOTE]Natty, I think many of us came here because we don't want to have any "game" at all. We want to go out and have a PSE or a GFE with a great looking girl at a reasonable price and then be done with it. The last thing I want to do is romance a w&rking girl.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1359895]Alaina massage. Is doing just that. The girls look horrible, not appealing at all.

Too top it off seems many of the girls have that michael Jackson nose job thing going on. Gruesome![/QUOTE]The MJ nose is really horrific, but it seems to be the fav of so many plastic surgeons in LOS!

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1359953]Natty, I think many of us came here because we don't want to have any "game" at all. We want to go out and have a PSE or a GFE with a great looking girl at a reasonable price and then be done with it. The last thing I want to do is romance a w&rking girl.[/QUOTE]I was going to post my own Bangkok is Great report but Natty and Skogis did it so very well that I'll just say YEAH!

As for "game" my definition is not about romancing the lady, it's about having a rapport and a good time with her before we hit the sheets. For example I was drawn to a woman at Bar 4. Bought her a drink and we were playing pool. I was thinking about bar fining her and thought I was making appropriate sexy humor with her. I was not using profanity in any way. She called me up short as if she was not a hooker in a Bangkok bar and asked me "do you always talk like that?". I paid up and found an agreeable provider. She was the notable exception and I usually have a very good time. Some with regulars and some with new talent.

Learn TO SNIP THE LONG ORIGINAL POST. You took up screen after screen for just a few words of your own. Not all of us are looking at the forum on a 51" Plasma HD screen.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1359953]Natty, I think many of us came here because we don't want to have any "game" at all. We want to go out and have a PSE or a GFE with a great looking girl at a reasonable price and then be done with it. The last thing I want to do is romance a w&rking girl.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1359953]Natty, I think many of us came here because we don't want to have any "game" at all. We want to go out and have a PSE or a GFE with a great looking girl at a reasonable price and then be done with it. The last thing I want to do is romance a w&rking girl.[/QUOTE]I am sure NB will correct me if I am wrong but I interpreted his message to mean that when you go out in Bangkok or any major city in the world you have to put some effort into making sure you are going to have a good time I. E the correct attitude for a start. Treating the girls in the right way will pay dividends for both of you in the long run. I don't think he meant you have to treat them like a potential girlfriend, just a little respect and a happy atmosphere.

Regards

BJ

[QUOTE=Margaya;1359839]I have been to BKK couple of times and well familar with Massage / BJ parlours. But the question is. What else is there for me to pick up some nice gilrs from for FS? Are places like Termae and Biere Garden open and teeming with resonable talent? What else are the choices for the adult fun and picks ups?[/QUOTE]Thermae. Yes.

Beer Garden. Hell no!

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1359954]The MJ nose is really horrific, but it seems to be the fav of so many plastic surgeons in LOS![/QUOTE]Have to agree that I hate the way the up market Soapies for Thais tend to have 90% of girls with nose jobs and then 90% of those do not look acceptable. Then there are plenty of horrific boob jobs around, some horrific ugly tats (I can stand those with just a little) , etc.

This is why I like gogo bars completely nude so can give the girl a fairly complete physical inspection before even chatting with her. Buy her drink, and check the chemistry. Plenty then get rejected at this stage when they are fake, hyper active or irritating, demanding, business like, don't smell right, don't speak nicely, etc. When I am well known by certain staff, they will even give me the thumbs down on asking about some pretty girls, knowing very well the girl is too crazy for me, a drunk, or bad personality or whatever. If I can find girls who don't smoke, even better.

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1359971]I am sure NB will correct me if I am wrong but I interpreted his message to mean that when you go out in Bangkok or any major city in the world you have to put some effort into making sure you are going to have a good time I. E the correct attitude for a start. Treating the girls in the right way will pay dividends for both of you in the long run. I don't think he meant you have to treat them like a potential girlfriend, just a little respect and a happy atmosphere.

Regards

BJ[/QUOTE]Yes, for sure, why would anyone want to fuck a girl if you don't like her? (a rhetorical question - not to be answered). Doing a few things togther other than just sex can be fine for me when I have time available. Some great girls become regulars, which could be thought of as like part time semi-GFs but with payment and with no strings attached. Lacking all the major hassles of a wife or GF.

It gets dangerous, once the payments are not matching the services exactly, e. G. Girl gives freebies, or the guy gives money not in return for services.

I want to be going to Bangkok again someday. I know enough about the bargirls and the massage places like annies, escorts like goldie's, etc. But what about places like 'la belle', and 'poseidon, or 'utopia'. Or 'emmanuelle'? How do they work? What makes them different and how come people don't seem to talk about them much here? Are they brothels or just massage places? What exactly are they and how do they work? Any info is appreciated.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1359903]So much complaining about the prices and everything is turning so bad. I have a different view on this and that is that BKK is still fabilous and allways good value for money[/QUOTE]Bangkok can be boring at times and then it can throw up a sudden surprise that makes it all worthwhile.

I was wandering around the other night looking for something to excite me in the way of massage. Tried Soi 33, 31, 26, 24, 24/1, 22, 20 and nothing was standing out (I am quite fussy now, having done thousands of girls it really needs to be the type I want else I'd rather just not waste money fucking a girl which really I am not that interested in).

Anyway, I ended up in Soi? And the last massage place I walked past something caught my eye.

I look for a girl with a decent body, which means not fat and also not think. Decent sized breasts, not too large, not too small and also genuine. A naughty smile and "take me to bed eyes". Another key element for me is the girls make up and what she wears (if its not a uniform). I have found the very best girls in bed genuinely are feminine, in that they have nice make up and will always be wearing a skirt or a dress. Girls with no make up are generally lazy. They cannot make the effort to make themselves look nice and this lack of effort normally translates into thier bedroom performance as well. Girls who dress nice (massage girls) also show pride in their appearance and generally also take on the role of "love to fucked". Key features for me in avoiding wasting money on a normal fuck and trying to make sure each and every one is good.

Anyway, nice make up, nice black dress, nice eyes and nice body and wow. Probably one of the best fucks in the second half of 2012. Really really wet, said only 2 weeks on the job (working in restaurant before) quite tight and wow, did she love to be fucked. Genuine orgasms she had (none of this faked stuff) , you know the type where she is covered in sweat, heart pounding at 160 beats, her pussy is gushing juice and she really lets go.

After getting bored of normal for the last few months that really made up for it and now I have a nice little one to add to the black book of numbers. Bangkok can do that, you spend ages looking for something nice and then just as you are about to give up then something comes along and was worth all the waiting and boredom.

Its what makes Bangkok special.

I never really liked Bangkok that much. It's okay, but not as good as some make it out to be in my humble opinion. Some cities are great for down and dirty mongering, some places are good for freebies and one night stands. BKK is kinda in between the two. Plus it's constantly humid / rainy, the public transportation lacks a lot, and the taxis are unknowledgeable and like to rip off foreigners. I get especially disappointed when I see stuff like "Price: 4200bt." That's 140 bucks. I can bang beautiful 21 year old Korean girls in the States for another 20 bucks. I can bang them in Korea for 40 less.

I guess if you live there or nearby it could make sense, but I can't see flying half way around the world to pay basically the same thing you can at home.

I'll certainly continue to monger when business takes me to Bangkok. But it's just not a vacation destination for me anymore.

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1359971]I am sure NB will correct me if I am wrong but I interpreted his message to mean that when you go out in Bangkok or any major city in the world you have to put some effort into making sure you are going to have a good time I. E the correct attitude for a start. Treating the girls in the right way will pay dividends for both of you in the long run. I don't think he meant you have to treat them like a potential girlfriend, just a little respect and a happy atmosphere.

Regards

BJ[/QUOTE]Agreed 100% and I think most punters do, but I will say that the gals expectations have changed considerably over the last 10 years and that is a direct result of many Western males kowtowing to the gals every whim.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1360038]........ the public transportation lacks a lot, and the taxis are unknowledgeable and like to rip off foreigners. I get especially disappointed when I see stuff like "Price: 4200bt." That's 140 bucks. I can bang beautiful 21 year old Korean girls in the States for another 20 bucks. I can bang them in Korea for 40 less.....[/QUOTE]

I think transportation in Bangkok is pretty good, if you use the BTS and trains. The trains are clean and have better A/C than many taxis I've been in. I've had taxis quote 200 baht at Soi Cowboy just to go three sois up Sukhumvit. They only rip you off if you let them. I got in the next cab with my girl and paid 38 baht to my hotel.

I just flew back from Phuket to BKK yesterday and I decided to try going to my hotel via trains. It took a little over an hour. I think with the surface traffic at 1700 rush hour, I probably got to the hotel sooner than in a taxi. It was easy to do, plus, it only cost me 51 Baht. This left me with another 950 Baht for the girls.

Where did you actually see a sign saying 4200 Baht in BKK? I haven't seen that before.

Where in the US, can you get 21 year old beautiful K pussy for only $160

[quote]I think transportation in Bangkok is pretty good, if you use the BTS and trains.[/quote]Compared to what? Cambodia? Compared to Europe, East Asia, Hong Kong, Singapore, even parts of North America it's really shit.

[quote]I've had taxis quote 200 baht at Soi Cowboy just to go three sois up Sukhumvit. They only rip you off if you let them. I got in the next cab with my girl and paid 38 baht to my hotel.[/quote]I said TRY to rip you off. I never let them either, but it's still fucking annoying. I've had the same as you, except they said 300 baht! I don't want to get in and out of different cabs or have to argue or haggle over the price. I'm not some old farmer woman trying to buy a kilo of potatoes in a bazaar somewhere. I'm a man in a suit in a major Asian city. You don't get that kind of shit in serious cities, because people from the government to the drivers realize that it puts a bad taste in everyone's mouth. The meter rate is the meter rate, flat rates are flat rates. A quick Google search will give you about 100, 000 tales of this kind of nonsense.

[quote]Where did you actually see a sign saying 4200 Baht in BKK? I haven't seen that before.[/quote]It's from Natty Bumpo's report, only a few posts before mine. That's what inspired me to weigh in on what a "great place" Bangkok is BTW.

[quote]Where in the US, can you get 21 year old beautiful K pussy for only $160[/quote]Any Korean massage parlor outside of the biggest cities. So, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, Colorado, etc. PM me if you want specific names and locations (I've probably been to 40-50) , but they are not difficult to find. Craigslist, backpage, alternative papers, rub maps, any of the dozens of other websites out there will point you in the right direction. Even in the big cities like New York, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, it runs you $180-200. Plus you don't have to spend $1500-2000 on a plane ticket or take a week or two off of work.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1360076]Compared to what? Cambodia? Compared to Europe, East Asia, Hong Kong, Singapore, even parts of North America it's really shit.[/QUOTE]What part of the MRT / BTS is shit when compared to the countries / regions you mention?

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1360076]Compared to what? Cambodia? Compared to Europe, East Asia, Hong Kong, Singapore, even parts of North America it's really shit.[/QUOTE]Saying something is "shit" is not a very convincing argument. North America is not much better? I have used Singapore rail. I don't see its much different to Thai BTS or MRT. I have also used trains extensively in Europe. Certainly unreliable in some countries like Holland.

[QUOTE]I said TRY to rip you off. I never let them either, but it's still fucking annoying. I've had the same as you, except they said 300 baht! I don't want to get in and out of different cabs or have to argue or haggle over the price. I'm not some old farmer woman trying to buy a kilo of potatoes in a bazaar somewhere. I'm a man in a suit in a major Asian city. You don't get that kind of shit in serious cities, because people from the government to the drivers realize that it puts a bad taste in everyone's mouth. The meter rate is the meter rate, flat rates are flat rates. A quick Google search will give you about 100, 000 tales of this kind of nonsense.[/QUOTE]If you hail a cab that is moving and passing by, very few will try to rip you off. If you pick a parked taxi you are looking to be ripped off.

If the USA is so great for mongering, what are you doing on this thread? I don't pay attention to threads on subjects of no interest to me.

Personally, I find Thai girls more attractive than Korean girls. Just my personal taste.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1360038]I never really liked Bangkok that much. It's okay, but not as good as some make it out to be in my humble opinion. Some cities are great for down and dirty mongering, some places are good for freebies and one night stands. BKK is kinda in between the two. Plus it's constantly humid / rainy, the public transportation lacks a lot, and the taxis are unknowledgeable and like to rip off foreigners. I get especially disappointed when I see stuff like "Price: 4200bt." That's 140 bucks. I can bang beautiful 21 year old Korean girls in the States for another 20 bucks. I can bang them in Korea for 40 less.

I guess if you live there or nearby it could make sense, but I can't see flying half way around the world to pay basically the same thing you can at home.

I'll certainly continue to monger when business takes me to Bangkok. But it's just not a vacation destination for me anymore.[/QUOTE]You bring up some good points.

I live in LA, and would rather spend time in BKK.

I just got back from a 10 day trip to BKK. I fucked 17 women in 10 days. Several of them were free since they were TLL hookups.

But lets say I paid all 17. The average price I pay betweem SW's, MP's and FL's is $50, That may be a liitle high.

99% of the time I get what I want in BKK. Full GFE.

Similar services in LA will be at least $160. Probably much more if you are talking about rim jobs, BBBJ's, or BBFS.

But lets say $160. The difference then is $110 per session. $110 more in LA. X's 17 sessions=$1, 870.

The $1870 difference by going to BKK easily covered my airfare and hotel. I have to eat anyway, so that is a mute point and I would spend a lot more in 10 days on transportation in LA.

So it all depends on what you do and how active you are and the girls you choose. To me going there for a fuckfest is not that bad of a deal.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano; 1359973]Thermae. Yes.

Beer Garden. Hell no![/QUOTE]Thanks TH.

I personally was not tooamysed by Thermae quality but won't mind trying again.

Well, any other places one can go to during day time for company? LOL

[quote]what part of the mrt / bts is shit when compared to the countries / regions you mention?[/quote]reliability (daily breakdowns) , coverage area, cleanliness, wait time, speed, walking up stairs to get to the trains at some stations, massive lines of people using coins, the use of coins on a train in 2012, such overcrowding that platforms are sometimes closed off (never even seen that in tokyo's infamous rush hours) , etc.

tokyo, fukuoka, osaka (ok, really anywhere in japan) , seoul, daegu, busan, hong kong, etc, all have immensely better train systems. they're not even comparable.

[quote]north america is not much better?[/quote]north america, very specifically the us where i live, has an embarrassingly poor public transportation system, where it even exists at all.

[quote]if you hail a cab that is moving and passing by, very few will try to rip you off. if you pick a parked taxi you are looking to be ripped off.[/quote]you miss the point, which is that rip off cabs exist at all and are an accepted part of bangkok. that tells you a lot about the place.

[quote]if the usa is so great for mongering, what are you doing on this thread? i don't pay attention to threads on subjects of no interest to me.[/quote]who said it's great? i said it's comparable in price, which is frankly absurd since we're talking about the richest country in world history on one hand and a third world country on the other.

i'm "on this thread" because i travel to bangkok often, either on business or on the way to somewhere else. i simply said i wouldn't go there specifically for mongering.

i gave my opinion, which is counter to the one some other members said about bkk being "great." i think it's far from great. what's wrong with some balance? i'd rather give newbies my honest feelings so they can compare and contrast and figure out if they want to make the trip. i'd hate for anyone to be as disappointed as i was when i arrived in phnom penh after reading nothing but positive reports online for a decade.

[quote]personally, i find thai girls more attractive than korean girls. just my personal taste.[/quote]i could care less where any woman comes from. you missed the point.

I have been reading this for a while and probably should stay out of it, but..... . I understand everybody isn't going to llike it, still I don't remember anybody posting so many negative opinions as you have in this as well as other threads. Now I am not going to respond to any posts reguarding this post but I must say you seems to have bad experiences every where you go. I did not look back on your other posting, but every time I see your posting I am sure it will be nagative. Tells us some good news, can you?

[QUOTE=Mackin;1360214]I have been reading this for a while and probably should stay out of it, but. I understand everybody isn't going to llike it, still I don't remember anybody posting so many negative opinions as you have in this as well as other threads. Now I am not going to respond to any posts reguarding this post but I must say you seems to have bad experiences every where you go. I did not look back on your other posting, but every time I see your posting I am sure it will be nagative. Tells us some good news, can you?[/QUOTE]There are some who cannot live without being negative about the whole Thai scene . And who magnify every niggle into a monstrous issue.

I have been going to Thailand for more years than I care to admit. Much has deteriorated (smog, crowds, prices) but as I end my autumn trip (and plan my winter one) I look back (sex bit)

On glorious massages, great FLs and fun on Soi 23. I have traveled widely, apart from S America, and Thailand offers more than any other country.

So shut the f* you moaning wingers.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1360076]It's from Natty Bumpo's report, only a few posts before mine. That's what inspired me to weigh in on what a "great place" Bangkok is BTW.[/QUOTE]That referred to La Belle, a high end soapie, if I am not wrong. BKK, contrary to westerner towns, has mongering and decent opportunities at half that price (and even much cheaper if one is into the Cheap Charlie strategy)

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1360076].
I said TRY to rip you off. I never let them either, but it's still fucking annoying. I've had the same as you, except they said 300 baht! I don't want to get in and out of different cabs or have to argue or haggle over the price. I'm not some old farmer woman trying to buy a kilo of potatoes in a bazaar somewhere. I'm a man in a suit in a major Asian city. You don't get that kind of shit in serious cities, because people from the government to the drivers realize that it puts a bad taste in everyone's mouth. The meter rate is the meter rate, flat rates are flat rates. A quick Google search will give you about 100, 000 tales of this kind of nonsense.[/QUOTE]
I fully agree on this. Too many taxi drivers try to cheat or rip off thinking a farang is a tourist and a tourist deserves to be ripped off as still cheaper price than at home. I find annoing their attempts and I think they a bit stupid when they reject rides of 1-2 km thinking htey do not earn enough, or thinking that the metter will go above the min fare. They probably prefer to do rides shorter than the min fare. Taxi should not be allowed to reject rides (unless for serious reasons, but there is never as such when from soi 4 you wsant to go tosoi 22 or 30 or so.)

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1360103]The $1870 difference by going to BKK easily covered my airfare and hotel. I have to eat anyway, so that is a mute point and I would spend a lot more in 10 days on transportation in LA.So it all depends on what you do and how active you are and the girls you choose. To me going there for a fuckfest is not that bad of a deal.[/QUOTE]And one does not have to underestimate the sense of vacation, holiday, free mind and spirit when doing so in BKK rarther than at his hometown, where th emongering becomes something in between office and shopping for food at the supermarket.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1360156]walking up stairs to get to the trains at some stations, massive lines of people using coins, the use of coins on a train in 2012, such overcrowding that platforms are sometimes closed off (never even seen that in Tokyo's infamous rush hours) , etc.[/QUOTE]Buy the rabbit card in BKK and that will entitle you to use a prepaid card with no que or line. Lines are everywhere in the work in rush hours.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1360156]I could care less where any woman comes from. You missed the point.[/QUOTE]
Well, if you do not care where a girl comes from, you miss THE point on asian girls. But we are all different and I can stand that. Leave some nationalties with less customers.
Still even a pussy toy has "Made in China" printed on it. So nationality always factors in. But it is true you can skip that reading and play with the fake pussy regardless of where it has been made in.

[quote=rick rock;1360156]reliability (daily breakdowns) , coverage area, cleanliness, wait time, speed, walking up stairs to get to the trains at some stations, massive lines of people using coins, the use of coins on a train in 2012, such overcrowding that platforms are sometimes closed off (never even seen that in tokyo's infamous rush hours) , etc.[/quote]if been using the rfid topup cards for years on the bts and mrt. never experienced any of the other issues you mention above. guess i use the wrong stations.

[quote]I have been reading this for a while and probably should stay out of it, but. I understand everybody isn't going to llike it, still I don't remember anybody posting so many negative opinions as you have in this as well as other threads. Now I am not going to respond to any posts reguarding this post but I must say you seems to have bad experiences every where you go. I did not look back on your other posting, but every time I see your posting I am sure it will be nagative. Tells us some good news, can you?[/quote]Sorry to rain on your parade. I'd rather give people an honest perspective.

My "negative posts" lately consist of pointing out how overpriced and generally unattractive Phnom Penh is and that I don't personally plan to visit BKK for the intentions of mongering anymore. Oh and maybe the review of Dr. BJ's Nuru.

In AC there's a nice ongoing discussion from guys who say they want to pay more than the going rate, even after it turns out they've never even been to the place. My posts in Japan, S Korea, HCMC, Pattaya, HK, Macau, etc, are mostly reports, including the introduction to quite a few new places to the board that I could have easily kept to myself.

Thanks for following my posting habits. Stay tuned for more.

[QUOTE=Newton York;1360003]I want to be going to Bangkok again someday. I know enough about the bargirls and the massage places like annies, escorts like goldie's, etc. But what about places like 'la belle', and 'poseidon, or 'utopia'. Or 'emmanuelle'? How do they work? What makes them different and how come people don't seem to talk about them much here? Are they brothels or just massage places? What exactly are they and how do they work? Any info is appreciated.[/QUOTE]Give them a try. They're not as farang friendly. Your date probably won't speak much English. If you're staying around Sukhumvit they're not as easy to get to as some places, although the subway has made massage places on Ratchadapisek more accessible. The women are however more attractive on average than Annie's, and the facilities are much larger and nicer. They'll typically have a lot of women sitting behind a glass wall, sometimes segretated into groups, according to price or services offered. And also sideline women or model lounges where you meet the women in a setting more like a cocktail lounge. Either way, talk to the mamasan or papasan. They'll have ones who speak English. And tell them which girl you'd like to do. You can visit with the sideliners / models a little before making a commitment. You may be able to do the same with the ones from the glass bowl, although I never have. You can have a drink or drinks while you're looking and when you go to the room. Starting with massage or jacuzzi is typical followed by sex.

Read the thread btw. And you want to go at the right time. For example, at Poseidon, when I went, pickings were pretty slim late in the evening.

Nothing wrong at all with the bts / mrt system in BKK. Relatively fast clean and efficient.

The only problem occurs when you have over aggressive tourists who like to bang their way through crowds with reckless abandon. I witnessed a little Chinese tourist who thought she was Adrian Peterson and ran over a fat farang lady. LOL.

She didn't apologize, just kept right on movin' ready to bull over her next victim

An interesting story. A guy wanted to marry an MP girl, but she was quite young and not ready for settling down at all.

He then wrote some very negative reports about her on some sex forum (probably not this ISG one). Motive? Either to get revenge or to try to stuff up her business or just jealousy. I'm not sure.

Reports on a forum are not always to be believed. You have to consider the state of mind of the writers. Plenty of bullshit going around. Sometimes very negative reports can come from a rival establishment maybe. Sometimes a positive report can be self promotion. Always best to consider the long term credibility of the writer, but even that is no guarantee.

So to all the newbies on the forum. Realise that experienced readers will treat your reports with suspicion, assuming bias is a strong possibility.

Went to Check Inn last night. The Philippino live band is very impressive. One guy and 3 pretty girls. I don't think they speak Thai but speak English well. Song requests can be made for anything where the backing music is not too complex. I went there with a hot girl with a great figure.

Was very busy with some group holding a Christmas party. This caused the songs selection to be somewhat older era than usual on average, but my girl's modern requests could be met well. One tallish Thai girl in the Christmas party group was reasonably good looking and dancing somewhat more sexily than usual. I thought she had probably had a few drinks and was feeling hot for it and acting very close to a tall Farang guy.
Sat with another couple where the old English guy was a bit talkative, but still nice enough.

At the end of the night, my girl suddenly mentions a Gatoey (Ladyboy) , and then I am so embarassed. On closer look the face of the other sexy girl, was not quite typical, And I realised I had missed spotting the ladyboy all night, who although acting a bit too sexy, did not exaggerate enough to be very easily picked as a L. B. And I thought I was experienced. Really you always have to consider the LB option for any girl on the tall side of the spectrum. How could I not do that? Just to busy having fun to notice.

My girl said she had spoken to the LB (where I had not) and the voice was the absolute give away sign.

Last time I was in BKK I was in a mall that had a sh*t load of knock off watches. I want to say it was on the second floor almost looked like a flea market inside. Mostly electronics and watches. I'm looking for some good knock off watches. Can someone point me in the right direction?

Thanks

[QUOTE=SimonHeSays;1360412]Last time I was in BKK I was in a mall that had a sh*t load of knock off watches. I want to say it was on the second floor almost looked like a flea market inside. Mostly electronics and watches. I'm looking for some good knock off watches. Can someone point me in the right direction?[/QUOTE]MBK. Take the BTS to Siam then transfer to National Stadium. Walk across bridge.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1360405]At the end of the night, my girl suddenly mentions a Gatoey (Ladyboy) , and then I am so embarassed. On closer look the face of the other sexy girl, was not quite typical, And I realised I had missed spotting the ladyboy all night, who although acting a bit too sexy, did not exaggerate enough to be very easily picked as a L. B. And I thought I was experienced. Really you always have to consider the LB option for any girl on the tall side of the spectrum. How could I not do that? Just to busy having fun to notice.

My girl said she had spoken to the LB (where I had not) and the voice was the absolute give away sign.[/QUOTE]I was in the plane the other night and this bad ass girl comes through the door. I suspected her to be Thai so I went to chat her up in Thai. She responded with the deepest voice. I just laughed inside and continued the conversation. I guess my radar was jammed. But the only thing that checked off was the height (which I was in no way thinking about being that I'm in the States at the moment) until the dialogue. I pride myself on being able to spot an LB at 100 meters, but I think they have started to change up their game plan and act more as a natural female would. At least that one did.

I am staying at the Dawin on Soi 4, Sukhumvit. The hotel offers massages for 400 Bahts. What can be expected of these packages? Just a regular spa massage or any other extra benefits? Do we need to tip them over and above for that? Or should I go for one of the massage parlours I have seen next to the hotel? I have an early morning trip tomorrow and not going to stay beyond midnight.

It's 8 pm here. Any suggestions? And what are the range for ST rates?

Hope you help a noob here and the noob will surely add a FR of his (with pics, if possible). And probably be of some help to some other noob someday. I don't monger much and this is going to be a entirely new experience for me.

Thanks in advance

Landed at Suvarnabhumi around 11. 45 am and checked in at the Grand Millennium Sukhumvit around 1. 15 pm. Cannot understand why so many people complain about Immigration and customs or slow transportation in BKK.

After a shower I took a walk around Sukhumvit and finally ended up at Annie's around 3. 00 pm, good but not outstanding line up there. I took number 17 (definitely not the girl pictured as number 17 on their website) , named Beam, little brown spinner. Told me she was 29 (?) but appeared much younger to me. I had a nice session with her and will report in the Annie's thread.

Later a Thai friend took me to Secret Garden Restaurant for dinner (I know they get only mixed reviews but I really enjoyed this kind of Asian fusion food there) and we later moved to Vertigo Bar on top of Banyan Tree Hotel. She dropped me off at my hotel around midnight, apologizing a thousand times for leaving me so early. Well no problem, honey, I would have been disappointed if I couldn't visit one of my favourite spots in the whole world: Soi Cowboy.

Then bad news were to follow. My first ever Thai girl as a sex tourist was no longer at Five Star Bar: the IMHO beautiful, super sexy Nice. 18 years old back in 2009 when I fucked her first time. I was told by her former co-workers: 'boyfriend, baby and no longer in Bangkok'. Well not exactly that I wanted to be the father of her babies (well I might have wanted back in 2009) but that girl gave me so wonderful moments that her disappearance caused a severe depression. If anyone can confirm / deny that story or tell me something about her whereabouts please don't hesitate to contact me!

We all know there is only one cure to severe depression caused by a young Thai girl. To bang another young Thai girl. Sadly the choice at 12. 30 am was already quite limited. In Tilac, Doll House and Shark there were only bored and sleepy leftovers. What really puzzled me was how many chubby girls were there. The Rios and Sahara's looked suspicious to me from the outside so my last try was Baccara. And there it was much better. More dancing, more smiling, more eye contact and at least 3 out of the 20 girls there were in the 7-8 range. I watched two or three rounds of dancing and finally a girl named Pink (or was it Pinky) approached me. Although she was not exactly my favourite one she was charming, nice and cuddly and soon I barfined her, agreed to a LT price of 4500 (I know, too much, but I wasn't in the position to wait for another one) , and took her to my room at the Grand Millennium.

During her super long shower routine I was already fearing she might turn out as cold fish, but I was wrong. Pink (what a stupid name!) was a very slim spinner, pretty eyes, relatively short hair. 24 years old, A cup breast with quite large nipples that were super sensitive. As soon as I started to caress her nipples her fluids started to flow. She turned out to be one of the better performers. She gave deep BJ, didn't forget to take care of my balls, kissed me all over and seems to enjoy being fucked in various positions. In between she didn't forget to mention how 'yummy' my cock was and how much she was into my blue eyes and so on. While these kind of compliments by a hooker can be awkward sometimes. Pink managed not to overdo it. After two session in the night and another session in the morning hours she left. What a first day in Bangkok with good food, drinks and pussy! Total damage was more than 10000 thb but well it was worth it.

[QUOTE=SimonHeSays; 1360412]Last time I was in BKK I was in a mall that had a sh*t load of knock off watches. I want to say it was on the second floor almost looked like a flea market inside. Mostly electronics and watches. I'm looking for some good knock off watches. Can someone point me in the right direction?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Good knock off watches go to a place called Buddy Shop. I have been buying many watches from him each year and have always gotten the best. He is on the third floor about in the middle and close to where the escalators come up from the second floor. Phone is 081 657-9829. He is an amazing man and runs the shop with his sister. It is a small shop but at least he is honest and backs up everything you buy from him. I think I have been dealing with him for over 15 years.

Jim

[QUOTE=Fun In Mumbai; 1360472]I am staying at the Dawin on Soi 4, Sukhumvit. The hotel offers massages for 400 Bahts. What can be expected of these packages? Just a regular spa massage or any other extra benefits? Do we need to tip them over and above for that? Or should I go for one of the massage parlours I have seen next to the hotel? I have an early morning trip tomorrow and not going to stay beyond midnight.

It's 8 pm here. Any suggestions? And what are the range for ST rates?

Hope you help a noob here and the noob will surely add a FR of his (with pics, if possible). And probably be of some help to some other noob someday. I don't monger much and this is going to be a entirely new experience for me.

Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]Been seeing your posts for some time. Doesn't look like you did any homework before you left your country, did you Noob? Spend the f*ng 400 and see what you get. Then write an FR to let us know what you learnt.

[quote=rick rock; 1360156]reliability (daily breakdowns) , coverage area, cleanliness, wait time, speed, walking up stairs to get to the trains at some stations, massive lines of people using coins, the use of coins on a train in 2012, such overcrowding that platforms are sometimes closed off (never even seen that in tokyo's infamous rush hours) , etc.

tokyo, fukuoka, osaka (ok, really anywhere in japan) , seoul, daegu, busan, hong kong, etc, all have immensely better train systems. they're not even comparable.[/quote]hong kong?

bangkok's bts and mrt systems are far better and cleaner than hk. you saying they're not even comparable (to bkk's disadvantage) clearly shows you either have no fricking clue what you are talking about or hold a grudge to the bangkok transit system.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1360290]Sorry to rain on your parade. I'd rather give people an honest perspective.

My "negative posts" lately consist of pointing out how overpriced and generally unattractive Phnom Penh is and that I don't personally plan to visit BKK for the intentions of mongering anymore. Oh and maybe the review of Dr. BJ's Nuru.

In AC there's a nice ongoing discussion from guys who say they want to pay more than the going rate, even after it turns out they've never even been to the place. My posts in Japan, S Korea, HCMC, Pattaya, HK, Macau, etc, are mostly reports, including the introduction to quite a few new places to the board that I could have easily kept to myself.

Thanks for following my posting habits. Stay tuned for more.[/QUOTE]*YAWN*

Is anyone else bored yet? We have a new PENBELLY in the house.

[QUOTE=Nullnull;1360488]Pink (what a stupid name!)[/QUOTE]Nullnull is so much better.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1360659]Nullnull is so much better.[/QUOTE]Haha. Exactly. He ended up spending over 10, 000 B, so maybe she isn't so stupid.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1360265]And one does not have to underestimate the sense of vacation, holiday, free mind and spirit when doing so in BKK rarther than at his hometown, where th emongering becomes something in between office and shopping for food at the supermarket.[/QUOTE]Not to mention the little fact that mongering in the USA opens you up for arrest, public humiliation, and in some cases loss of your job.

Just my 2 baht.

By the way I still do it and in my home town where a hot k girl goes for 300, some a little less but usually 300.

I toss the customary bottle of water which indicates that you have been there done that to any LE who may be interested.

[quote=nicfrenchy; 1360657]hong kong?

bangkok's bts and mrt systems are far better and cleaner than hk. you saying they're not even comparable (to bkk's disadvantage) clearly shows you either have no fricking clue what you are talking about or hold a grudge to the bangkok transit system.[/quote]you must be joking.

with only 2 lines and 30 stations, the bts is barely a system at all, and it still doesn't function very well. [url]http://bk.asia-city.com/city-living/article/commuter-complaints-bts-skytrain[/url]

the mtr in hong kong is cheaper, more extensive, more efficient. it's 6 times longer in track length, has about 4 times the number of stations, moves about 7 times the number of daily riders, at much faster average speeds, and yet is still cleaner and more reliable. no daily breakdowns or mile-long lines for coins (coins, in 2012!) that i've ever seen in a decade of using it. and it's 3 decades older.

anyway i'm not going to get into a pages-long dispute about the public transportation system in bangkok. i simply gave the reasons i think it's not really a mongering destination of choice. the rip off taxis and poor public transportation is only part of it. apparently i'm not alone, as some have agreed with me in other threads and in pms.

ymmv.

if you love it, more power to you.

Thanks for the Tip. It is on my to do list when I get down to BKK next month from Esan Land.

[QUOTE=Jim Here; 1360547]Good knock off watches go to a place called Buddy Shop. SNIPPED.

Jim[/QUOTE]

Went to the beer garden after reading a few reports and wanted to chek out the talent. I like the relaxed open air feel. Funny there was really drunk farangs there who where killing me so funny. Many spoke Thai and where yelling and falling over. Spoke to one guy who was taking a a girl and was arguing with a taxi driver over the fare destination and rice, ended up getting kicked out own street, he was nice guy but it was funny. I ended up taking two freelancers for st 1000 for both. Girls where old and did BBBJ and sex in many positions. It was good to get this ticked off the bucket list. Price was ok but a litte machincal, I should take more tie in choosing the grls but all in all, it was good

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1360671]Haha. Exactly. He ended up spending over 10, 000 B, so maybe she isn't so stupid.[/QUOTE]OK, maybe I did an unnecesaary remark about her name. Sorry about that!

But what does it have to do with my spending of 10, 000 THB? For sure that was not on Pink alone but on a day full of fun. What do you guys normally pay for a session at Annie's, Taxi, dinner for two in one of better places, drinks at Vertigo bar, a few drinks at Soi Cowboy, barfine and LT with a pretty girl? Is it significantly less or are we talking about 9, 500?

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1360706]Anyway I'm not going to get into a pages-long dispute about the public transportation system in Bangkok. I simply gave the reasons I think it's not really a mongering destination of choice.[/QUOTE]Who cares whether the Skytrain does not go all over Bangkok, as long as it runs up and down Sukhumvit and links the major mongering stations it suits me fine. You guys are too funny worrying about it.

[QUOTE=Nullnull; 1360769]OK, maybe I did an unnecesaary remark about her name. Sorry about that!

But what does it have to do with my spending of 10, 000 THB? For sure that was not on Pink alone but on a day full of fun. What do you guys normally pay for a session at Annie's, Taxi, dinner for two in one of better places, drinks at Vertigo bar, a few drinks at Soi Cowboy, barfine and LT with a pretty girl? Is it significantly less or are we talking about 9, 500?[/QUOTE]What you have paid for is a GFE, most guys are not looking for that. FFS 4500 for LT, utter stupid, she saw you well coming (pun intended) but each to there own.

Come here, fuck as many as you can then back home, job done. Or did I get ISG all wrong? But spending 10k a night for a fuck is, well, but hey you must have money to burn my friend so fair play.

[QUOTE=Nullnull; 1360769]OK, maybe I did an unnecesaary remark about her name. Sorry about that!

But what does it have to do with my spending of 10, 000 THB? For sure that was not on Pink alone but on a day full of fun. What do you guys normally pay for a session at Annie's, Taxi, dinner for two in one of better places, drinks at Vertigo bar, a few drinks at Soi Cowboy, barfine and LT with a pretty girl? Is it significantly less or are we talking about 9, 500?[/QUOTE]Its fine really. Pink is a somewhat silly name for a Thai. They usually can't pronounce it correctly in a Farang way.

You need to allow for vast differences in spending of mongers. Some expats must stick to a budget and would not dream of parting with 10K. For others 10K is not such a massive amount. In Europe a monger could be parting with 20K in a day or even a lot more on occasions. In Thailand you get bulk time with girls for a lot less. A buddy of mine has a rather low budget due to losing to past wives and GFs so now lives in Cambodia.

As for Cowboy, I recommend you try Suzi Wong for a fun time.

Hi everyone,

I just signed out here and I want to tell that I'll share some of my Thailand's experiences, first of all I give you this link to a video I made, I hope you'll find it funny, it's a thai friend and me, we were in a taxi going to the Bangkok's airport and she was asking to me something that shows she noticed I was a party animal in her city.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWvdEHTsM7c[/url]

[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] now has a 30 minute limit. i did not know this as i was in [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] pattaya last month and they had no such policy. they did have a couple of nice looking gals out front and an empty bar. i don't want to be timed while getting head so i'll pass on them next time.

[QUOTE=Nullnull; 1360769]OK, maybe I did an unnecesaary remark about her name. Sorry about that!

But what does it have to do with my spending of 10, 000 THB? For sure that was not on Pink alone but on a day full of fun. What do you guys normally pay for a session at Annie's, Taxi, dinner for two in one of better places, drinks at Vertigo bar, a few drinks at Soi Cowboy, barfine and LT with a pretty girl? Is it significantly less or are we talking about 9, 500?[/QUOTE]Don't feel the need to justify how much you spend on what, where or with whom. Especially on here you will find some criticism from some quarter. Funny thing is I seem to attract that kind of criticism regardless of what I post or do,"all together now,

Big self sympathy there. Seriously though it is your money and your time in Thailand. By all means look on here and other sources for information and a heads up, but ultimately the only person who knows how to maximize your happiness is "you". Do what makes you happy mate.

Regards.

BJ

Hi dr

I have read a few posts back and yes you seem to get a little flack no matter what you say. Keep on trooping.

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1360869]Don't feel the need to justify how much you spend on what, where or with whom. Especially on here you will find some criticism from some quarter. Funny thing is I seem to attract that kind of criticism regardless of what I post or do,"all together now,

[url]AWWWWWWWW[/url]

". Big self sympathy there. Seriously though it is your money and your time in Thailand. By all means look on here and other sources for information and a heads up, but ultimately the only person who knows how to maximize your happiness is "you". Do what makes you happy mate.

Regards.

BJ[/QUOTE]

[quote=run mann;1360863][url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] now has a 30 minute limit. i did not know this as i was in [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] pattaya last month and they had no such policy. they did have a couple of nice looking gals out front and an empty bar. i don't want to be timed while getting head so i'll pass on them next time.[/quote]30 mins seems a reasonable time for just bbbj only. lol how long did you want? you could arrange for a tag team and for other girls to continue each 30 mins. not many girls have the jaw power to go beyond 30 mins. if you pay extra for sex, do you then get more time? i would say 30 mins is too short if various activities planned beyond just bj.

i can do daty for 30 mins, but that is probably about my limit. most girls can come in 30 mins or less, if they want to (its actually rare to go over 20 mins). the jaw can get tired, while tongue is never ever tired, and i'm sure daty is not as hard work as bbbj with deep throat.

when i went to sol in the past, i always found doing anything in house was a problem because they wanted to impose far too short a time limit. takeout worked better but would cost more. i like 2 hour short times myself with no rush or 90 mins minimum. this normally costs more than a bj bar charges.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1360706]Anyway I'm not going to get into a pages-long dispute about the public transportation system in Bangkok. I simply gave the reasons I think it's not really a mongering destination of choice. The rip off taxis and poor public transportation is only part of it. Apparently I'm not alone, as some have agreed with me in other threads and in PMs.[/QUOTE]Correction, it's not the mongering destination of YOUR choice.

I'm not really sure about the logic of your argument, that because you wear a suit then you should be treated differently?

No one is forcing you to monger here. I'm all for hearing about tip regarding rip-off MP's but there isn't much value in your complaints about taxi rip-offs which shouldn't be happening because you wear a suit and things like that don't happen in the states. Has it occurred to you that some of us like it here because it ISN'T like a developed country, that we like the chaos, the humidity and corruption? Please go back to your safe, hermetrically sealed state-side starbucks and sit there in your suit with a diet frappachino marvelling at how awesome things are there.

I'm amazed anything works at all in Thailand. The south is suffering from a brutal muslim insurgency, there is endemic police corruption, an intermittent war with Cambodia, drugs coming in by the truckload from Burmese rebel armies, political rivalries that erupt in to mass violence and rioting and assassination by elements of the military, an incompetent government. And in all this you're worrying about getting ripped off by taxi driver for a mere pittance.

[QUOTE=SuperRaven;1360763]Went to the beer garden after reading a few reports[/QUOTE]Title of your post Says Beer Garden soi5. There is no Beer garden in soi 5 but you can find Gullivers Bar. Beer Garden is soi 7.

Both are Freelancer places. Which one was it?

[quote=run mann;1360863][url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] now has a 30 minute limit. i did not know this as i was in [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] pattaya last month and they had no such policy. they did have a couple of nice looking gals out front and an empty bar. i don't want to be timed while getting head so i'll pass on them next time.[/quote]dr bj also has a time limit. don't go to these places and head to sol in patpong2, they have no time limit there.

[quote=syzygies;1360910]30 mins seems a reasonable time for just bbbj only. lol how long did you want? you could arrange for a tag team and for other girls to continue each 30 mins. not many girls have the jaw power to go beyond 30 mins. if you pay extra for sex, do you then get more time? i would say 30 mins is too short if various activities planned beyond just bj.[/quote]i take a long time but i tend to tip well. remember, these girls are experts so they can take it. has the bkk lineup at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] improved? the pattaya branch is looking a little dire so i usually make a bee line for bliss lounge instead.

the tag team idea is interesting and i will try it out and report back.

[QUOTE=Pointy Stick;1360914]I'm amazed anything works at all in Thailand. The south is suffering from a brutal muslim insurgency, there is endemic police corruption, an intermittent war with Cambodia, drugs coming in by the truckload from Burmese rebel armies, political rivalries that erupt in to mass violence and rioting and assassination by elements of the military, an incompetent government. And in all this you're worrying about getting ripped off by taxi driver for a mere pittance.[/QUOTE]Well said.

People pay for a long haul flight all the way to Thailand and once they are here, they nickel and dime.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1360921]Well said.

People pay for a long haul flight all the way to Thailand and once they are here, they nickel and dime.[/QUOTE]I actually pay less for flying to Bangkok than I pay to fly from Brussels to Zürich. So even the flights to the LOS (and beautiful willing women) are cheap.

[QUOTE=Pointy Stick;1360914]Correction, it's not the mongering destination of YOUR choice.[/quote]What are you correcting? I said FOR ME it's not a mongering location of choice.

I guess that plus the "in my humble opinion," "YMMV," and other caveats weren't enough to get the message through.

[quote]I'm not really sure about the logic of your argument, that because you wear a suit then you should be treated differently?

No one is forcing you to monger here. I'm all for hearing about tip regarding rip-off MP's but there isn't much value in your complaints about taxi rip-offs which shouldn't be happening because you wear a suit and things like that don't happen in the states. Has it occurred to you that some of us like it here because it ISN'T like a developed country, that we like the chaos, the humidity and corruption? Please go back to your safe, hermetrically sealed state-side starbucks and sit there in your suit with a diet frappachino marvelling at how awesome things are there.

I'm amazed anything works at all in Thailand. The south is suffering from a brutal muslim insurgency, there is endemic police corruption, an intermittent war with Cambodia, drugs coming in by the truckload from Burmese rebel armies, political rivalries that erupt in to mass violence and rioting and assassination by elements of the military, an incompetent government. And in all this you're worrying about getting ripped off by taxi driver for a mere pittance.[/QUOTE]Yep, in a modern globalized world I expect at least a modicum of social norms to apply for everyone. And yeah, these are things I take into consideration when planning a trip, especially when prices are approaching parity levels with my home city.

I know some people fancy themselves as pioneers out in the Bush. Maybe they think they are in the Wild West. I assure you everyone back in civilization is waiting with baited breath to hear of your latest exploits with the savage locals.

I hear Somalia is really lax on regulation, maybe some of you guys should head out there. We've got some "libertarians" in the states we could pack up and send with you free of charge.

It cracks me up when people can't even allow a personal opinion in a conversation if it goes against their heavenly narrative. I guess it hurts when it's based on honesty. Maybe some of these guys got stuck in Thailand on some retirement scheme and don't want to admit any flaws? IDK. If you like it, by all means enjoy. I was just giving my perspective for any newbies out there who may be considering where to take their first trip. I could have benefited from that in some places I've visited because of years of solid reports only to find out it wasn't quite what I has expected.

It's like being in Los Angeles. If I'm there on business I'll surely monger. But I wouldn't make a special trip there just for that.

Again, YMMV. Over and out.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1360399]I'm such an idiot.

I find it hard to believe guys don't treat aything without suspicion here.

I know a guy who said he got a horse chomper at dr Bjs, he said his BJ consisted of a girl giving a BJ like a horse chomping on a bale of hay. LOL. I got suspicious when he told me he was triggerman on otter team3 that got bin ladin. Man I left in a hurry, like 1 of those nana plaza runners.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a deep throat gobbler. Whats her name?

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1360706]You must be joking.

With only 2 lines and 30 stations, the BTS is barely a system at all, and it still doesn't function very well.

[url]http://bk.asia-city.com/city-living/article/commuter-complaints-bts-skytrain[/url]

Have you actually traveled?

You are right, Hong Kong is very good. So is their airport. Maybe the best in the world.

But the BTS is up there as one of the best was of getting around I have seen in any major city in the world. There is nothing close to it in the USA. Wait, maybe the monorail at Disneyland.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1360918]Dr BJ also has a time limit. Don't go to these places and head to SOL in Patpong2, they have no time limit there.[/QUOTE]Lolipop also has no time limit and better looking chicks.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1360942]But the BTS is up there as one of the best was of getting around I have seen in any major city in the world. There is nothing close to it in the USA. Wait, maybe the monorail at Disneyland.[/QUOTE]But try to get a BJ from Minnie Mouse and you will be very much disappointed.

[QUOTE=Run Mann;1360944]Lolipop also has no time limit and better looking chicks.[/QUOTE]Has lollipop improved? When I went there, could not find anyone doable, despite hanging around for quite a while.

[QUOTE=Pointy Stick;1360914]I'm amazed anything works at all in Thailand. The south is suffering from a brutal muslim insurgency, there is endemic police corruption, an intermittent war with Cambodia, drugs coming in by the truckload from Burmese rebel armies, political rivalries that erupt in to mass violence and rioting and assassination by elements of the military, an incompetent government.[/QUOTE]Actually, its 3 provinces of the south that have insurgency problems: Pattani, Yala, Narratiwat. I have visited Satun province where all is peaceful and even they don't want to go to those 3 provinces. The main problem they face is the economic ruining policies of Yingluck. Things are tough with price of rubber going downhill badly, price of gas for cooking going up heaps, etc. They also suffer form unseasonal rainfall causing problems to harvest rubber.

The incompetent government is probably the worst problem of all affecting the most, along with natural forces like floods. Bad times ahead. Does make me question if I really want to live here in old age, with a reduction in mongering activity. Some nice quiet province perhaps, like Prajuap.

As a mongering destination, I am extremely happy with Bangkok, and am able to have a wonderful time with young Thai girls. As a major frequent international traveller, I fully realise I could get cheaper elsewhere, and would do so if I thought it was really better.

[quote=syzygies;1360956]has lollipop improved? when i went there, could not find anyone doable, despite hanging around for quite a while.[/quote]not sure when you went there but in my experience they've always had the best lookers of the bj bars in bangkok but as we know, looks and skills don't always go together. but, it's great to have chick with a nice features looking up at you while she going at it. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] has 21 year old girl, well she said she is 21, looks a bit younger, new or knew, very nice features and not bad as a bj artist. used her hands a bit much but after telling her no hands, she politely went to "parade rest", she works the evening shift.

Luvpuss,

Much of what you say may be true and their response is contingent upon the monger and admittedly there are better places with hotter girls but think of DD in this sense: you know what you are getting up front.

It is the McDonalds of mongering foreshaw but at the very least he's going to get a BBBJ / rimjob combo and a optional supersize to assfuck should he so desire which I sampled on Friday.

The OP can hit the GoGos later and then strike out with a starfish but at the very least he's got his rocks off first in a perrverted manner so the damage of wasting his one night in Pattaya is mitigated.

Best case scenario: awesome experience in DD and GoGo girl.

Worse case scenario: newbie monger picks up beach road girl / LB, is drugged and robbed with the story searchable by his name on google in an online Pattaya newspaper together with his picture for eternity.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1360928]What are you correcting? I said FOR ME it's not a mongering location of choice.

I guess that plus the "in my humble opinion," "YMMV," and other caveats weren't enough to get the message through.

Yep, in a modern globalized world I expect at least a modicum of social norms to apply for everyone. And yeah, these are things I take into consideration when planning a trip, especially when prices are approaching parity levels with my home city.

I know some people fancy themselves as pioneers out in the Bush. Maybe they think they are in the Wild West. I assure you everyone back in civilization is waiting with baited breath to hear of your latest exploits with the savage locals.

I hear Somalia is really lax on regulation, maybe some of you guys should head out there. We've got some "libertarians" in the states we could pack up and send with you free of charge.

It cracks me up when people can't even allow a personal opinion in a conversation if it goes against their heavenly narrative. I guess it hurts when it's based on honesty. Maybe some of these guys got stuck in Thailand on some retirement scheme and don't want to admit any flaws? IDK. If you like it, by all means enjoy. I was just giving my perspective for any newbies out there who may be considering where to take their first trip. I could have benefited from that in some places I've visited because of years of solid reports only to find out it wasn't quite what I has expected.

It's like being in Los Angeles. If I'm there on business I'll surely monger. But I wouldn't make a special trip there just for that.

Again, YMMV. Over and out.[/QUOTE]Seriously dude, you still don't get it.

Thailand has the right mix of great food, affordable high quality hotels and girls available across a range of price points. Maybe it isn't up to your jetset, flying first class, Dusit thani presidential suite, expense account standards.

Some average joe from Porkbend, Nebraska on 40k a year is clearly not going to have the same mongering opportunities as you do while 'on business' in LA and may find Thailand to his liking for some reason. Is he going to shell out USD$200 for a escort with the possible risk of arrest, prosecution and a criminal record in the US, does he give a shit about the skytrain and taxis. Would he be brutally disappointed? As brutally disappointed to find out upon going to Thailand only in his 70s because he heard the taxi driver would rip him off or that the skytrain didn't meet exacting international standards of other global cities in some anonymous forum that it was everything he dreamed of in his youth but now couldn't partake of?

I got ripped hard on my first trip here but I had a hell of a time which I will never forget or regret. I can always make more money so if a taxi driver clips me for 150 bht so what. Should I let it kill my vibe and embitter me to the point where I vow never to come back? How smart would that be?

It's a pity you have such a myopic perspective of the world focused on taxi fares and public transport system.

As I alluded to in my response Thailand is not heavenly. If you come with a negative attitude then you will not have a good time. You will find fault with everything and wonder why it isn't like the US. Maybe its better you stay at home and leave LOS to those who still have their sense of adventure intact. I focus on the positives in life in LOS like accessible cheap pussy, alcohol and good food in a tropical locale and it works out for me and probably for the majority of guys.

He he my previous report I stated I have not seen so much of a pricechange from 07/08 up until now on the girls freelancemarket. I get scared when people obviously from US state a korean girl goes for the pretty much the same as here in BKK. In Norway you can get a drugaddicted girl probably with HIV for 100US ST. Nigerean prostitute runs from 200. 250US ST. Eastern europeans from 250. 350US and last norwegian girls from 300 and up all for ST. Never ever have I used service from the mentioned in Norway as here I operate as a normal chap. So I realy don't complain about the pricesettings in LOS. And in all fairness it is also quite cheap in the US for me as a norwegian visiting.

So I am not to pricesensitive when it comes to pricing. As some state it is kind of silly moving around beein cheap all the time. In my book I stay at home if I can not afford some comfort and enjoyment within reason. I have from ISG learned come si come sa pricing for the FL market and I try to stick with it. But if I see sth I realy want I go for it even if it blows up every illusion of pricsettings.

If I see one taxi I sit down and say where to go. I can also tell I don't want to be cheated and I don't want to go to a tailorshop or sexclub. I only want to go to my stated adress nothing extra. Actually a taxidriver just driving without trying to hazzle me gets good tip even if we have meter or flat price. But I can drive and drive taxi in BKK for quite some time and distance for the same price it cost to sit inside a taxi in Oslo (around 13US and then the car hasn`t started to move). From my house to downtown it is approx 1. 5km and it will atleast cost me 8-900BHT`s. So hazzling abroad for cheap taxi isn`t the first comes to my mind (and it is allways hot so I just want to get inside and get moving). You will not see me going in and out of taxis for a few BHT`s as I want an easy and problemfree mongerday.

But I guess we are all different.

[QUOTE=Lotus303; 1360800]What you have paid for is a GFE, most guys are not looking for that. FFS 4500 for LT, utter stupid, she saw you well coming (pun intended) but each to there own.

Come here, fuck as many as you can then back home, job done. Or did I get ISG all wrong? But spending 10k a night for a fuck is, well, but hey you must have money to burn my friend so fair play.[/QUOTE]My English might not be too good, so sorry for all the misunderstanding, but 10k wasn't spend "a night for a fuck" but for an two hour afternoon session at Annie's plus an excellent dinner for two at one of the better restaurants plus a few Mai Thais and Long Island Iced teas at Vertigo plus a few drinks in Soi Cowboy plus some taxi fares plus three fucks a night with a pretty young girl. If you get this much cheaper then great for you! I could have fucked more girls for that, true, even in my European hometown but this would not have made my happier. I wanted all the dinner, drinks, afternoon session, LT at night with lots of caressing and cuddling and not fuck as many thirty-something overweight prostitutes as possible. If the going rate for LT with a Baccara girl is much less than 4, 500 tell me please. Then next time I could try to haggle with the girl. But then this always kills the vibes so maybe I wouldn't try.

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1360869]but ultimately the only person who knows how to maximize your happiness is "you". Do what makes you happy mate.

Regards.

BJ[/QUOTE]So true! And thanks also to Syzygies for his remarks. Being in Bangkok once a year and mostly only for 2-3 days I may tend to overdo things there a bit. Of course there is no need to sleep in a five star hotel and some might see the Fous Seasons Sunday brunch as a obscene way of burning your money but I enjoyed it. Having said that I assure you that I can have a great day also with a simple noodle soup and a glass of Singha. I don't even need a Thai pussy. Watching TV or reading a book can be so entertaining but then I could have stayed in Europe (they sell Singha everywhere these days).

[QUOTE=Nullnull;1361050]So true! And thanks also to Syzygies for his remarks. Being in Bangkok once a year and mostly only for 2-3 days I may tend to overdo things there a bit. Of course there is no need to sleep in a five star hotel and some might see the Fous Seasons Sunday brunch as a obscene way of burning your money but I enjoyed it. Having said that I assure you that I can have a great day also with a simple noodle soup and a glass of Singha. I don't even need a Thai pussy. Watching TV or reading a book can be so entertaining but then I could have stayed in Europe (they sell Singha everywhere these days).[/QUOTE]You're right, your command of the English is pretty bad. English is my third Language but still, even if not English: Fou[b]are[/b] Seasons is the same in other Languages no? Being a Brand and all.

And Brunch at the 4Seasons is also a Favourite of mine.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1358741]Wow, I think it's pretty clear now what your views of the Average ISG Joe is LOL[/QUOTE]Hmmm, that's curious coming from one who makes so little effort to conceal his own contempt. So what do you call it – tough love?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1361147]Fou[b]are[/b] Seasons...[/QUOTE]Now my school of spelling still doesn't agree. You may have fallen victim of the terrible auto-corrector here. That can only be worked around by reediting your report. I need to do the same with my 3 full stops that are auto-cut to one.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1360947]But try to get a BJ from Minnie Mouse and you will be very much disappointed.[/QUOTE]I hear Micky is a LB. So gives great BJ's!

[QUOTE=Skogis;1361026]He he my previous report I stated I have not seen so much of a pricechange from 07/08 up until now on the girls freelancemarket. I get scared when people obviously from US state a korean girl goes for the pretty much the same as here in BKK.[/QUOTE]Make no mistake. These K Girls aren't exactly the hot girls you see on the K Pop and the Gangmen Style videos. No way jose. $300 for younger ones and younger might mean they're in their early 30's and the older ones going on the fire sale for $160-$200 are generally in their 40's LOL

BTW- checked out Suzi Wong's the other day and was disappointed in the overall talent there... I noticed a few girls with Kangaroo Pouches and many with unpleasant "sandwhich ass".. There was also a midget dancing there, has anyone barfined her? lol
I made a quick exit and went to Baccarra.. overall talent was pretty good for the most part..

[QUOTE=Nullnull;1361050]My English might not be too good, so sorry for all the misunderstanding, but 10k wasn't spend "a night for a fuck" but for an two hour afternoon session at Annie's plus an excellent dinner for two at one of the better restaurants plus a few Mai Thais and Long Island Iced teas at Vertigo plus a few drinks in Soi Cowboy plus some taxi fares plus three fucks a night with a pretty young girl. If you get this much cheaper then great for you! I could have fucked more girls for that, true, even in my European hometown but this would not have made my happier. I wanted all the dinner, drinks, afternoon session, LT at night with lots of caressing and cuddling and not fuck as many thirty-something overweight prostitutes as possible. If the going rate for LT with a Baccara girl is much less than 4, 500 tell me please. Then next time I could try to haggle with the girl. But then this always kills the vibes so maybe I wouldn't try.[/QUOTE]So why go to Annie's if you did not want to fuck as many thirty-something overweight pro 's?

And, YES the going rate is much less than what you paid. Learn some Thai next time and talk with them, joke a little then you will have a better chance of lower price and 'not kill the vibe' as you put it. You paid Yippon prices, you never hear he Bacarra chant. Five-Five-Five.

As I said in my post, if you have money, fair play.

Oh and by the way, would rather fuck at 30'something any day of the week.

Tony, maybe you're talking about Idaho or Wisconsin or something where WGs go to die? Most KMPs in major cities have women in their 20's, nearly all great looking.

Examples:

[url]http://fantasianyc.com/[/url]

[url]http://www.hotlipsnyc.com/[/url]

[url]http://asianparadisenyc.com/[/url]

Price ranges from $160. 200 total (4800-6000 baht) for FS with massage and table shower, depending on the city. I've never ever heard of 300, been all over the country, been using message boards like this for 13 years. The places that only do massage, shower and HE are a lot cheaper. Search youtube for "Soapland Spa NY" for a video of what the girls there look like.

Some of the older providers (30's, I've even seen a few 40's) who don't move on to something else end up out in the middle of nowhere in little cities like in North Carolina or Kentucky. But they're nothing worse than what's on offer at a place like Eden.

The KMPs in major cities are well advertised. 24/7 operations. Some have been around for years and years. It's illegal, just like prostitution in Thailand is illegal. The question is enforcement.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1361147]You're right, your command of the English is pretty bad. English is my third Language but still, even if not English: Fou[b]are[/b] Seasons is the same in other Languages no? Being a Brand and all.[/QUOTE]I agree on that. Maybe there are some countries where they had to rename their brand into Fous or Fouare Seasons since the use of Four may violate Sharia law or something? But glad that even you are not totally immune to typos or falling into that auto corrector trap.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1361242] (...)

The KMPs in major cities are well advertised. 24/7 operations. Some have been around for years and years. It's illegal, just like prostitution in Thailand is illegal. The question is enforcement.[/QUOTE]Prostitution is not illegal in Thailand. Pimping is illegal in Thailand and so is running a "house of ill repute" and creating a nuisance by publicly solliciting. As far as I know prostitution itself is illegal in many states in the USA.

[QUOTE=Nullnull;1361243]I agree on that. Maybe there are some countries where they had to rename their brand into Fous or Fouare Seasons since the use of Four may violate Sharia law or something?[/QUOTE]The Sharia allows you 4 wifes, so "4" cannot violate the Sharia.

Hi,

My bad its Beer Garden is soi 7. Sorry for any on confusing info.

Happy punting.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1360917]Title of your post Says Beer Garden soi5. There is no Beer garden in soi 5 but you can find Gullivers Bar. Beer Garden is soi 7.

Both are Freelancer places. Which one was it?[/QUOTE]

[quote]Prostitution is not illegal in Thailand. Pimping is illegal in Thailand and so is running a "house of ill repute" and creating a nuisance by publicly solliciting. As far as I know prostitution itself is illegal in many states in the USA.[/quote]"The current legal framework prohibiting prostitution is the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act, B. E. 2539 (1996). Under the act, persons who solicit sex "in an open and shameless manner" or "causing nuisance to the public" are subject to a fine of 1, 000 baht, while persons mingling in a "prostitution establishment" face a jail term of up to one month and / or a fine of up to 1, 000 baht. Prostitution is defined as any act done to gratify the sexual desire of another in exchange for money or any other benefit. The term prostitution establishment is not clearly defined, although it may be broadly interpreted to include any place where prostitution takes place"

Pretty similar to the US, the question is all about interpretation and enforcement.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1361242]Tony, maybe you're talking about Idaho or Wisconsin or something where WGs go to die? Most KMPs in major cities have women in their 20's, nearly all great looking.

Examples:

[url]http://fantasianyc.com/[/url]

[url]http://www.hotlipsnyc.com/[/url]

[url]http://asianparadisenyc.com/[/url]

Price ranges from $160. 200 total (4800-6000 baht) for FS with massage and table shower, depending on the city. I've never ever heard of 300, been all over the country, been using message boards like this for 13 years. The places that only do massage, shower and HE are a lot cheaper. Search youtube for "Soapland Spa NY" for a video of what the girls there look like.

Some of the older providers (30's, I've even seen a few 40's) who don't move on to something else end up out in the middle of nowhere in little cities like in North Carolina or Kentucky. But they're nothing worse than what's on offer at a place like Eden.

The KMPs in major cities are well advertised. 24/7 operations. Some have been around for years and years. It's illegal, just like prostitution in Thailand is illegal. The question is enforcement.[/QUOTE]Trust me it's a metro area not in the middle of Des Moines, Iowa LOL. The ones that are housed in their own separate massage parlors for sure have ugly old monkeys and the service is terrible and expensive. Now the ones housed in apartment buildings advertised on the backpage ads are better but even more expensive (talking strictly K girls here)

They do have the same operation with Thai girls who are housed in plush apartment buildings, I think a lot of those girls were married than divorced and they don't have a lot of skill except for sucking cock and spreading their legs. Some are good, some are not so good, generally pretty but a bit over the hill. But they're capitalizing on the best location to ply their trade, for them anyways. Can't blame em, either do what they do in the USA for a higher salary or submit their CV to good ol' DR BJ LOL....
Interestingly enough, best ones they had were Vietnamese AMPs, unfortunately most of them got busted by Vice.

But I'll hold you to it, I'm sure other cities have it better but the nice thing about BKK is I can go try for some free girls during the day, early evening and online, and if that doesn't pan out, I can get me a stunner on lower Suk for 1K baht

You've lost some credibiliy to your entire presentation by even alluding to those pics.

The reality is its standard practice for K AMPs in the states to not just use photoshopped (doctored) pics but completely fake pictures, basically hot 19 year old (10 level) drop dead beauties who are actually models, not AMP girls at all. Yes, there are some girls like that or close, but they are not common, and one has to work at finding them. For the traveling girls who typically work approx (18 hour days) 23 to 24 days at each location (then usually take a month off) who fly into various cities, while these girls are free (but rarely do) go with customers in between locations, in practical terms takeouts are extremely expensive, and in any case you're looking at mistress level prices.

If you actually had K girls that looked like those pics in huge supply in the USA at the rates you mention, few monger types would ever leave the country.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1361242]Tony, maybe you're talking about Idaho or Wisconsin or something where WGs go to die? Most KMPs in major cities have women in their 20's, nearly all great looking.

Examples:

[url]http://fantasianyc.com/[/url]

[url]http://www.hotlipsnyc.com/[/url]

[url]http://asianparadisenyc.com/[/url]

Price ranges from $160. 200 total (4800-6000 baht) for FS with massage and table shower, depending on the city. I've never ever heard of 300, been all over the country, been using message boards like this for 13 years. The places that only do massage, shower and HE are a lot cheaper. Search youtube for "Soapland Spa NY" for a video of what the girls there look like.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Western787; 1361356]You've lost some credibiliy to your entire presentation by even alluding to those pics.

The reality is its standard practice for K AMPs in the states to not just use photoshopped (doctored) pics but completely fake pictures, basically hot 19 year old (10 level) drop dead beauties who are actually models, not AMP girls at all. Yes, there are some girls like that or close, but they are not common, and one has to work at finding them. For the traveling girls who typically work approx (18 hour days) 23 to 24 days at each location (then usually take a month off) who fly into various cities, while these girls are free (but rarely do) go with customers in between locations, in practical terms takeouts are extremely expensive, and in any case you're looking at mistress level prices.

If you actually had K girls that looked like those pics in huge supply in the USA at the rates you mention, few monger types would ever leave the country.[/QUOTE]It may be anecdotic, but I had a K girl like those pictures, in an MP in DC some years ago. Got the whole stuff, bath, massage and FS for less than 100 $. Yes, it was probably 3-4 years ago, so maybe prices have changed. I liked it so much that I went every day during my 4 days' stay. On day 2, they offered me another woman, a MILF, but I said I wnated the younger one. I got her, and when I came back the 2 other days, nobody asked anymore.

The fact that I got those service in DC, will not mean that I don't want to explore other advenures and places. I have been happily married for many years, have got extraordinary free extra marital affairs, and I still monger.

[QUOTE=Western787; 1361356]You've lost some credibiliy to your entire presentation by even alluding to those pics.

The reality is its standard practice for K AMPs in the states to not just use photoshopped (doctored) pics but completely fake pictures, basically hot 19 year old (10 level) drop dead beauties who are actually models, not AMP girls at all. Yes, there are some girls like that or close, but they are not common, and one has to work at finding them. For the traveling girls who typically work approx (18 hour days) 23 to 24 days at each location (then usually take a month off) who fly into various cities, while these girls are free (but rarely do) go with customers in between locations, in practical terms takeouts are extremely expensive, and in any case you're looking at mistress level prices.

If you actually had K girls that looked like those pics in huge supply in the USA at the rates you mention, few monger types would ever leave the country.[/QUOTE]Where are you from?

Sorry dude you are not correct.

Go to a site called Humaniplex. Or ********. Or even Kamps off Backpage. Or any of the several incall escort sites here in California. I use them all the time in Socal.

There are many K girls, Thai girl, and Chinese just like the photos. The Thai girls I have fucked are model quality. Most run $160 to $260 an hour. The average is $180-200.

I have many several of them and they are just as hot as those photos. Most do BBBJ, rim jobs, DFK, etc. 99% are Covered FS, but do everything else uncovered.

[QUOTE=MisterMonger;1359072]What are the best brothels, massage parlors, girl bars, etcetera in the city?[/QUOTE]Welcome to the ISG! Always good to see somebody's first post. And such a unique inquiry too!

I realize everybody will have an opinion here, but in my opinion the best of the "girl bars" is Casanova in Nana Plaza. The chicks are just SMOKING hot there. You really can't go wrong with any of them, but if you want to have a VERY good time be sure and choose one of taller ladies.

If you're looking for the "upscale" entertainment area, you simply MUST visit the Patpong district, which is as glamorous as any nightlife scene in any world capital. There are far too many bars in Patpong to see them all, so here's an insider tip: Focus on the bars on the UPPER level, especially those places where there is a gentlemen outside encouraging patrons to stop in. The local custom is to give that guy 1000 baht as a gratuity on your way in. But if you want access to the most AMAZING girls slip him 2000. Be discrete about it, however. The Thai culture values modesty and decorum.

There are plenty of "brothels" and "massage parlors" all over town. But the quality can be hit or miss. My advice would be to focus instead on the girls you see when out and about in Bangkok. It's a little know fact that more than 75 percent of them are "on the program," as Old Thai Hands like to say. And let me tell you, they will ROCK your world. The best way to hook up with them is to approach any girl you think is HOT, whether it be on the sky train, in the mall, or behind the front desk at your hotel. Show her 5000 baht, preferably in 1000 baht notes. Again, be subtle. Then ask her: "You go boom boom long time? Number one!" Some girls won't be interested, or they will have something else to do. But most will go with you. You can increase the odds by approaching girls that are with their families. This is because supporting elders is deeply ingrained in Thai culture and the girl will "make merit" by agreeing in front of her parents to go with you.

Hope that helps. Again, good to see your first post.

Bunky

[QUOTE=MisterMonger; 1359072]I'm not really a value monger per se. I like to visit the best places a city has to offer. That being said. What are the best brothels, massage parlors, girl bars, etc. In the city. Is there a more upscale district for these sort of places?

Thank you in advance.[/QUOTE]You do not want to take Bunky's advice. He is just being a troll and sending you the wrong way for fun, in his mind. Pat Pong is worth avoiding, for example! Normally you see recommended places in other guys reports.

[QUOTE=Bunky;1361446]I realize everybody will have an opinion here, but in my opinion the best of the "girl bars" is Casanova in Nana Plaza. The chicks are just SMOKING hot there. You really can't go wrong with any of them, but if you want to have a VERY good time be sure and choose one of taller ladies.[/QUOTE]If we're being nice to newbies then I would add that Casanova is a Lady Boy bar. If you are new to this and Thailand, lady boys are men who dress (and act) as women. However, they have male equipment (unless they are "post op") so you will get a surprise if you go with them. As is pointed out by Bunky, they are usually taller than the "real" women and other tell tale signs are deeper voices, bigger hands, and pronounced Adam's apples. If you are unsure of their status you should ask (or grab for their junk) because there are some who can fool even the seasoned pro.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1361430]Where are you from?

Sorry dude you are not correct.

Go to a site called Humaniplex. Or. Or even Kamps off Backpage. Or any of the several incall escort sites here in California. I use them all the time in Socal.

There are many K girls, Thai girl, and Chinese just like the photos. The Thai girls I have fucked are model quality. Most run $160 to $260 an hour. The average is $180-200.

I have many several of them and they are just as hot as those photos. Most do BBBJ, rim jobs, DFK, etc. 99% are Covered FS, but do everything else uncovered.[/QUOTE]Using the L. A. Backpage (that you cited) just quickly picking out a random AMP, something like this would be more typical of generic photos claims one sees in other major cities. [url]http://losangeles.backpage.com/BodyRubs/hot-hot-hot-asain-professional-massage-new-girls-_-_-23/27610853[/url]

Yes, those ultra pretty younger girls do exist, some even add varying levels of GFE, but IMHO its just not that common and takes work to find them.

If you're getting pretty much "everything else uncovered" along with very hot girls at the prices cited, that's not bad actually. Perhaps Los Angeles with high populations asians helps kick things up compared to certain other major cities. However the LT options are not practical nor cost effective, and of couse in regular K AMPs often not even available.

In terms of hard core mongering per se (literally bang for the buck) , Rick Rock has a point, but the term"mongering" can be quite expansive, with some of us including I believe possibly Natty Bumpo and some other posters I've noticed seem to value the ethestic side of the equation, the qualitative experience, the variety of what's available in Bangkok along with the sheer volume of providers or for matter (even more interesting IMHO) young 20 somethings who have either just entered the business, are somewhat undecided, do it for extra money, are just dabbling in pay for play, or who still believe the "taxi" money really is taxi money.

On a hard core monger basis given the travel time and so forth, there can be an argument questioning the value of Thailand, but comparing working girls in the states with Bangkok? Its really comparing apples to oranges.

[QUOTE=Demecius;1357007]Damn. I take it 4k and 2. 6k are the prices?[/QUOTE]Yep. 4000 bht for 90 minutes with the "models" and 2600 bht for the sideline girls.

[quote]But I'll hold you to it, I'm sure other cities have it better but the nice thing about BKK is I can go try for some free girls during the day, early evening and online, and if that doesn't pan out, I can get me a stunner on lower Suk for 1K baht[/quote]You can try for some free action in NYC and get it 99% of the time. It's got to be one of the easiest places in the world to score. Especially one night stands. I used to have a roommate who literally brought home a new girl on a daily basis on 6 out of 7 days for a period of one year. He was a chubby Italian guy with an annoying attitude and a red face. I never did it for "sport" like him, but also have never had any problem going out and hooking up for free anytime I've ever tried, even at my age. Plus you build contacts and have your go to booty calls.

So mongering is about something else. Either an anonymous quick fix no questions asked, a GFE unattainable elsewhere for some guys, the shady atmosphere, whatever. That's why I said YMMV. But a major attraction of Thailand in years past at least was the low prices, for a lot of guys. We're starting to get to a point where the prices are rounding off and getting similar in a lot of places. Or at least close enough to cancel out when you factor in flight and hotel.

So yeah, I take the general atmosphere of a place, the level of relaxation, the weather, ease of getting around, percent of beggars and scammers I have to deal with, etc, all into consideration before planning a trip specifically for the hobby now. I'm willing to go through hassles to get access to a high number of hot ass at low prices, but when there isn't even savings anymore, I start to reconsider.

[quote]Using the L. A. Backpage (that you cited) just quickly picking out a random AMP, something like this would be more typical of generic photos claims one sees in other major cities. http://losangeles.backpage.com/BodyR.-_-23/27610853[/quote]Those are fake pics from Japanese porn and glamor books, no question. That's the difference between an ad for a Chinese rub and tug on Backpage and a KMP's homepage.

The sites I linked to have real pictures. Regular customers can confirm. These places stay in business for a while and have lots of repeat customers. They aren't rip off shops trying to lure in unsuspecting newbies. They actually much prefer regulars than newbies for safety issues. It would be hard getting them back if they put up fake photos, right? I know a girl who takes pictures for some of these places. Yes they usually photoshop them a bit to cover blemishes and faces. But the girls do look like the pics and they are genuinely hot.

Starting at 4800 baht all inclusive, it's something to think about for guys that take a 20+ hour $2000 flight to find 4000 baht a go go bar girls.

Can a moderator delete all these argumentative posts about the USA?

I don't think anyone here pays attention for the exception of a handful of Americans measuring their dick size.

Oh wait, do we even have moderators here? Nope. Then I guess we'll have to suffer the American Banter for a couple days longer.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1361589]Can a moderator delete all these argumentative posts about the USA?

I don't think anyone here pays attention for the exception of a handful of Americans measuring their dick size.

Oh wait, do we even have moderators here? Nope. Then I guess we'll have to suffer the American Banter for a couple days longer.[/QUOTE]I disagree & am enjoying the comparisons between mongering in Bangkok & other places like the USA.

It helps people decide where they want to poon and where they can afford to go for sex.

It's much more interesting than your recent posts comparing Bangkok's BTS to Hong Kong's or whatever.

[quote=run mann;1360863][url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] now has a 30 minute limit. i did not know this as i was in [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] pattaya last month and they had no such policy. they did have a couple of nice looking gals out front and an empty bar. i don't want to be timed while getting head so i'll pass on them next time.[/quote]wow, three pages deep into the bkk thread before i find anything useful. distressing, but useful. any other establishments imposing time limits? please keep the good info flowing. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] pattaya has the same services? i'm headed to pattaya in feb.

thanks

Anyone try #179 at Rainbow 4? Light skinned, huge tits. Looks in her early 20's

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1361615]Or maybe a moderator can remove the constant America bashing from the envious Brit / European brigade that litters the board.[/QUOTE]
We all go off thread topic on occasions, and someone will then try to reign us back to the real topic.

I think you have put your case well and trully for mongering in the US. Although this is the Bangkok and Misc crap thread, most / many of us here are not going to be travelling long distances to get to US specifically for mongering. Yes, many of us are not living in the USA and would not even feintly wish to. Please post in the US threads. I will read the US threads when my boss insists I must work there (have avoided that for a few years now). Right now I have no VISA to work there (conveniently).

Some of us just want to know about what is good or great in Bangkok.

Hard to work out why you want to post so prolifically in the Bangkok thread. I do not go to Pattaya for mongering, so I do not post much in that thread. There is little point. I would not have great expertise. I do know where to enjoy myself greatly in Bangkok.

What the readers are interesting in, is great places and girls in Bangkok for mongering. If you haven't got any, Fine, post in some other more constructive thread.

I haven't actually asked any questions here, I hope, so a response is not even necessary. Nic even makes a good point that a moderator should remove stuff that gets far too irrelevant. That would discourage people from posting it in the first place, I hope.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1361618]Anyone try #179 at Rainbow 4? Light skinned, huge tits. Looks in her early 20's[/QUOTE]Real tits or not? For me there is a big difference. Huge silicones would not be at all interesting. Unfortuantely, I did not notice that girl the other day.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1361318]"The current legal framework prohibiting prostitution is the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act, B. E. 2539 (1996). Under the act, persons who solicit sex "in an open and shameless manner" or "causing nuisance to the public" are subject to a fine of 1, 000 baht, while persons mingling in a "prostitution establishment" face a jail term of up to one month and / or a fine of up to 1, 000 baht. Prostitution is defined as any act done to gratify the sexual desire of another in exchange for money or any other benefit. The term prostitution establishment is not clearly defined, although it may be broadly interpreted to include any place where prostitution takes place"

Pretty similar to the US, the question is all about interpretation and enforcement.[/QUOTE]Not at all similar. In many states in the USA "prostitution" per se is already illegal, without the additional condition of soliciting sex in an open and shameles manner or causing a nuisance.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1361626]Real tits or not? For me there is a big difference. Huge silicones would not be at all interesting. Unfortuantely, I did not notice that girl the other day.[/QUOTE]They were silicone, but I'm with you. I'll take a nice pair of real ones over fake ones, but not very common to see a Thai with natural nice big titties. But in this case, they really fit her well, she wasn't super skinny and had really nice curves.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1360103]You bring up some good points.

I live in LA, and would rather spend time in BKK.

I just got back from a 10 day trip to BKK. I fucked 17 women in 10 days. Several of them were free since they were TLL hookups.

But lets say I paid all 17. The average price I pay betweem SW's, MP's and FL's is $50, That may be a liitle high.

99% of the time I get what I want in BKK. Full GFE.

Similar services in LA will be at least $160. Probably much more if you are talking about rim jobs, BBBJ's, or BBFS.

But lets say $160. The difference then is $110 per session. $110 more in LA. X's 17 sessions=$1, 870.

The $1870 difference by going to BKK easily covered my airfare and hotel. I have to eat anyway, so that is a mute point and I would spend a lot more in 10 days on transportation in LA.

So it all depends on what you do and how active you are and the girls you choose. To me going there for a fuckfest is not that bad of a deal.[/QUOTE]Your comments here are a good example of why I am enjoying the comparison between Bangkok & elsewhere.

This topic was initially raised by a post from Rick Rock.

One point that hasn't been mentioned yet is the ease of obtaining BBFS in Bangkok compared to the USA.

It is far, far easier to find.

I'd rather stay in my home country and wank alone if that was not the case verses coming to BKK to use a plastic baggie.

The value I put on that is that it's priceless.

BTW North American girls are way more into kissing than TGs who get a F in that department. I suspect European ladies are also superior to Thais where this is concerned.

[QUOTE=Bunky; 1361446]Welcome to the ISG! Always good to see somebody's first post. And such a unique inquiry too!

I realize everybody will have an opinion here, but in my opinion the best of the "girl bars" is Casanova in Nana Plaza. The chicks are just SMOKING hot there. You really can't go wrong with any of them, but if you want to have a VERY good time be sure and choose one of taller ladies.

If you're looking for the "upscale" entertainment area, you simply MUST visit the Patpong district, which is as glamorous as any nightlife scene in any world capital. There are far too many bars in Patpong to see them all, so here's an insider tip: Focus on the bars on the UPPER level, especially those places where there is a gentlemen outside encouraging patrons to stop in. The local custom is to give that guy 1000 baht as a gratuity on your way in. But if you want access to the most AMAZING girls slip him 2000. Be discrete about it, however. The Thai culture values modesty and decorum.

There are plenty of "brothels" and "massage parlors" all over town. But the quality can be hit or miss. My advice would be to focus instead on the girls you see when out and about in Bangkok. It's a little know fact that more than 75 percent of them are "on the program," as Old Thai Hands like to say. And let me tell you, they will ROCK your world. The best way to hook up with them is to approach any girl you think is HOT, whether it be on the sky train, in the mall, or behind the front desk at your hotel. Show her 5000 baht, preferably in 1000 baht notes. Again, be subtle. Then ask her: "You go boom boom long time? Number one!" Some girls won't be interested, or they will have something else to do. But most will go with you. You can increase the odds by approaching girls that are with their families. This is because supporting elders is deeply ingrained in Thai culture and the girl will "make merit" by agreeing in front of her parents to go with you.

Hope that helps. Again, good to see your first post.

Bunky[/QUOTE]Very good post, as long as you understand that he was being sarcastic, and that everything he suggests has to be avoided. Therefore a good post, once you transform all the recommendations into "avoid" places.

Where is Rainbow 4, please?

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1361618]Anyone try #179 at Rainbow 4? Light skinned, huge tits. Looks in her early 20's[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=D Cups;1361733]Where is Rainbow 4, please?[/QUOTE]Nana Plaza, right 2nd floor, right near the famous Cassanova. Thought you would know at least Nana Plaza part.

Do you like mammoth silicones or mammoth naturals? I remember seeing that one of the Annies girls has rather large naturals. I was nearly tempted to check her out, but I am not really a large tit man. If they are big and also very beautifully shaped, I don't mind at all. LOL

Did you notice the report about a lactating girl at Tulip I think?

[QUOTE=D Cups;1361733]Where is Rainbow 4, please?[/QUOTE][url=Http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bangkok+rainbow+4]Link to Rainbow 4[/url]

Well thanks for your opinion but I thought the selection there was the most to my liking of any place I've every visited. I flew almost 200k km last year so I do get around.

The one I chose that day couldn't have been more perfect for me if I'd designed her myself and I felt 2600 bht and a 1k tip to lick her pussy was the best value I've ever received in Asia.

I doubt I fucked up the mongering scene in Bangkok by giving her a $25 dollar tip. I would have tipped her that much anyway. I've seen the same girl there twice since it it just gets better every time, and I still tip her 1k.

If you know a place where you can get a better deal on drop-dead gorgeous 19 year old pussy I think sharing it with the group would have been a more positive contribution.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1357442]I will make sure to avoid this place.

You paid for pussy lick and she gave Covered BJ?

You are a fool and the place is a rip off.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SexPerimenter; 1361761]Well thanks for your opinion but I thought the selection there was the most to my liking of any place I've every visited. I flew almost 200k km last year so I do get around.

The one I chose that day couldn't have been more perfect for me if I'd designed her myself and I felt 2600 bht and a 1k tip to lick her pussy was the best value I've ever received in Asia.

I doubt I fucked up the mongering scene in Bangkok by giving her a $25 dollar tip. I would have tipped her that much anyway. I've seen the same girl there twice since it it just gets better every time, and I still tip her 1k.

If you know a place where you can get a better deal on drop-dead gorgeous 19 year old pussy I think sharing it with the group would have been a more positive contribution.[/QUOTE]Don't worry, Luvpus is well known for such negative comments. While I don't pay for DATY myself (either the girl likes it or she doesn't) , I don't have any problem with your original report. You may get more willing girls next time, but the main thing is you enjoyed what you got. Nataree isn't my favourite place for GFE, but it is popular due to a lot of girls there.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1361765]Don't worry, Luvpus is well known for such negative comments. While I don't pay for DATY myself (either the girl likes it or she doesn't) , I don't have any problem with your original report. You may get more willing girls next time, but the main thing is you enjoyed what you got. Nataree isn't my favourite place for GFE, but it is popular due to a lot of girls there.[/QUOTE]While at first glance it may seem strange to pay extra for DATY, if you really think about about there are really three categories particularly in regard to those relatively new to the business: 1. She likes it 2 she doesn't like it 3. She may or may not like it but doesn't really know yet because she's too scared to try, and either hasn't done it, or has done it on a very limited basis.

SexPerimenter probably has a category 3.

[QUOTE=Western787;1361869]While at first glance it may seem strange to pay extra for DATY (...)[/QUOTE]Strange for Thailand perhaps, but in European red light districts it is quite usual to pay for all extras, such as different positions, touching her breasts, kissing, DATY, ... I once even met a WG that wanted me to pay her extra for her undressing!

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1361879]Strange for Thailand perhaps, but in European red light districts it is quite usual to pay for all extras, such as different positions, touching her breasts, kissing, DATY, . I once even met a WG that wanted me to pay her extra for her undressing![/QUOTE]You must of had the same girl I did in Amsterdam.

[QUOTE=JPF;1361483]If we're being nice to newbies then I would add that Casanova is a Lady Boy bar. If you are new to this and Thailand, lady boys are men who dress (and act) as women. However, they have male equipment (unless they are "post op") so you will get a surprise if you go with them. As is pointed out by Bunky, they are usually taller than the "real" women and other tell tale signs are deeper voices, bigger hands, and pronounced Adam's apples. If you are unsure of their status you should ask (or grab for their junk) because there are some who can fool even the seasoned pro.[/QUOTE]I did not know this.

Shit, no wonder they always turn from me immediately and want me to fuck them from behind. Damn!

In the Amsterdam RLD's 50 Euros for 20 minutes fuck and suck with the gal nude and no extra charge for another position is standard. The ones who ask more money for touching their tits, taking their top off or changing positions are just there to rip off tourists. The majority of the window ladies provide the standard 50 euro service but it's best to clarify exactly what's offered up front before you go in and she closes the curtains.

I don't think the up-sellers are there very long because word gets around, to the locals and on the Internet for tourists.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1361879]Strange for Thailand perhaps, but in European red light districts it is quite usual to pay for all extras, such as different positions, touching her breasts, kissing, DATY, . I once even met a WG that wanted me to pay her extra for her undressing![/QUOTE]

I think this one was fresh off the plam truck and hadn't had any or many clients go down on her. I almost never get any reluctance for DATY in Asia and was a bit surprised. I think she was a cat. 3 but she willingly spread her thighs for my tongue the second time.

[QUOTE=Western787; 1361869]While at first glance it may seem strange to pay extra for DATY, if you really think about about there are really three categories particularly in regard to those relatively new to the business: 1. She likes it 2 she doesn't like it 3. She may or may not like it but doesn't really know yet because she's too scared to try, and either hasn't done it, or has done it on a very limited basis.

SexPerimenter probably has a category 3.[/QUOTE]

I prefer the GFE, where's your favorite place for it? I brought a bar girl back from Zmidnight and I swore she was going to nev me to marry her in the morning but when 8 rolled sound the GFE was over. I've never had as good of a GFE at MP's or with escorts.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1361765]Don't worry, Luvpus is well known for such negative comments. While I don't pay for DATY myself (either the girl likes it or she doesn't) , I don't have any problem with your original report. You may get more willing girls next time, but the main thing is you enjoyed what you got. Nataree isn't my favourite place for GFE, but it is popular due to a lot of girls there.[/QUOTE]

I didn't get much response to this question in reports section so will try it here. What are your suggestions for having fun during day time in Bangkok? (other than massage parlours / BJ places) Any nice places to pick up free lancers, watch nude shows etc etc?

[quote=mistermonger; 1359072]i'm not really a value monger per se. i like to visit the best places a city has to offer. that being said. what are the best brothels, massage parlors, girl bars, etc. in the city. is there a more upscale district for these sort of places?

thank you in advance.[/quote]well for more hi so clubbing we have to move our asses out of the lower suk area and hit some other part of the city. my recomandations would be some places i have visited earlier and some recently. in these places you meet the local bangkok crowd with money and ladies can be had but mostly from normal mechanisms (girl like boy or opposite). some hi so prostitutes are occationly to be found (but they mostly have money so they are choosy). so you should be careful as offering anything like money to girls here as it would easily be considered as an offensive act. atleast people here pretend to be rich so it would easily break down their fasade. just as a friendly warning tip.
many people sometimes warn about you can encounter trouble if you dont speak thai. the last year i have met a few girls around and it shows english is ok(my impression now) as many educated bangkok girls can handle it quite well except from the r, hehe.. just try it.. add a little normality into the mongergame..

demo. sukhumvit soi 63 (many great clubs in this soi). upscale crowd and rather expensive. spasso prices and then add some (for drinks)

baroque. rama 9rd (close / opposite to the rca strip). spectacular crowd of girls (i only visit in weekends)

route 66, 808bangkok, flix / slim. rca strip. great fun with the locals.

for upscale eating i tried last trip zense restaurant. central world 17'th fl. many wannabees, hehe.

the face in soi 38 was also great for nice coctails.

i have only visited these places with my regular crowd og bkk girls as they will not set their foot close to my main monger area (low sukhumvit). the closest they will come near this area is bts through it.

bt the way on my last trip i was visiting a relatively new club in soi 11. levels. 6th floor (almost opposite from bed and supper club). they should speed up their bottle service as it took around 1 hr to fix me and my female companion an absolute vodka. had infact to buy beers to shorten the wait. got a bit of a touristy feel. but not a place you come with flip flops and bermuda shorts. dress nicely. i did not get the impression this was so much of a fl place (atleast not yet).

[QUOTE=Western787; 1361869]While at first glance it may seem strange to pay extra for DATY, if you really think about about there are really three categories particularly in regard to those relatively new to the business: 1. She likes it 2 she doesn't like it 3. She may or may not like it but doesn't really know yet because she's too scared to try, and either hasn't done it, or has done it on a very limited basis.

SexPerimenter probably has a category 3.[/QUOTE]Ther probably is category 4: The girl is scared that she might like it too much.

I have very ocassionally met girls that were okay with it the first time, got carried away and orgasmed, then subsequently were very reluctant, explaining that she has to retain her energy to work. This applies to MP girls. Obviously not to girls doing LT.

Some girls are very sensitive to DATY and get turned on quite easily. Others like it to go for a long time.

[QUOTE=SexPerimenter;1361938]I prefer the GFE, where's your favorite place for it? I brought a bar girl back from Zmidnight and I swore she was going to nev me to marry her in the morning but when 8 rolled sound the GFE was over. I've never had as good of a GFE at MP's or with escorts.[/QUOTE]Its hard to have a favourite place. Its generally more so favourite girls. E. G. I have had just one favourite at La Belle, and apart from her rather bad luck with other choices. Amsterdam just one favourite. I used to have favourites at Tulip, Snow White, and Mango, TL2, but the girls all left. Places where I have had no bad luck on choosing and where every girl has been good for me recently are probably Annies, EZ, Suzie Wong. My mongering is a bit limited in recent years. I am not an expat who has every day available for playing up. I am tending to try new girls quite infrequently, since its hit and miss for GFE.

I stress the point about luck. Most good venues have some great girls and some other girls, not so great, or just not completly compatible. Then depends on how much the girl likes you as a customer too. YMMV. One guy's crap girl can be just great for some other guy. Some girls do not give every guy exactly the same service. They perform great for the customers that they really want to come back again and again. If girls perform the same even for arsehole customers, then I rate those girls as slightly on the dumb side. One Mango girl told me she disliked a lot of her regulars, but she must have been giving them good service, if they kept on coming back. I guess she did not know how to perform badly. Other girls are good at bad service.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1361989]In no way is Thailand comparable to USA regarding pay 4 sex. Come on guys don't believe it when some say it is, you are being conned. Use your intelligence and denounce the clown who started it all. Call shenanigans if you have too. LOL.

Rainbow 4 has gone to bongo music, songs where you can't tell 1 from the other. Just horrible. Everything else ok though. LOL.[/QUOTE]Decent music but unfortunately none of the thai girls know how to dance to the beat.

Just one time I'd like to see a hot Thai chick do "the Dougie" LOL

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1362044]Decent music but unfortunately none of the thai girls know how to dance to the beat. Just one time I'd like to see a hot Thai chick do "the Dougie" LOL[/QUOTE]Come to the Pattaya discos. You can see it until you are blue in the face.

[QUOTE=SexPerimenter;1361935](...) but it's best to clarify exactly what's offered up front before you go in and she closes the curtains.[/QUOTE]There is no substitute for clarity and good agreements. But sometimes the little head takes over and all good plans go out the window.

[QUOTE=SexPerimenter;1361935]I don't think the up-sellers are there very long because word gets around, to the locals and on the Internet for tourists.[/QUOTE]Enough dumb tourists come by every day to make even this kind of behaviour worth its while.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1361989]Rainbow 4 has gone to bongo music, songs where you can't tell 1 from the other. Just horrible. Everything else ok though. LOL.[/QUOTE]Yeah I must admit the music in a go-go is probably my first consideration when walking into one of these places. After that I check the quality of the electrics (can't help it, being an Electrician) , then how good the flooring is and if it is tiled or carpeted, followed by the paint on the walls, then finally how good the electrolyte-plating is on the brass poles. If all these important aspects meet with my approval then and only then do I check the quality of the girls. I'm sure everyone does something similar.

Regards.

BJ

Add to that the quality of the toilet area. Is in a common area, have a urinal, bar soap, liquid soap or soap at all. Do not forget to add how one drys their hands? On their pants, wave them furiously or use some towel that has more cooties than my high school GF's snatch. All very important.

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1362079]Yeah I must admit the music in a go-go is probably my first consideration when walking into one of these places. After that I check the quality of the electrics (can't help it, being an Electrician) , then how good the flooring is and if it is tiled or carpeted, followed by the paint on the walls, then finally how good the electrolyte-plating is on the brass poles. If all these important aspects meet with my approval then and only then do I check the quality of the girls. I'm sure everyone does something similar.

Regards.

BJ[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1361668]Your comments here are a good example of why I am enjoying the comparison between Bangkok & elsewhere.

This topic was initially raised by a post from Rick Rock.

One point that hasn't been mentioned yet is the ease of obtaining BBFS in Bangkok compared to the USA.

It is far, far easier to find.

I'd rather stay in my home country and wank alone if that was not the case verses coming to BKK to use a plastic baggie.

The value I put on that is that it's priceless.

BTW North American girls are way more into kissing than TGs who get a F in that department. I suspect European ladies are also superior to Thais where this is concerned.[/QUOTE]Pink, I lived in Italy for 9 years before moving to Japan. I think Thai's out do Europeans in the bed. Most of the girls in Italy wanted € 150 euro for an hour and if you finished early you were considered done. This was with apartment girls, SW were for €50 euro and hotel girls were in between. Germany was a little cheaper, better selection, but very mechanical. I find Asian more GFE available. Thais being at the top, Hong Kong behind them and then the Japanese. Have not made it to the Philippines yet. BKK and Pattaya are two fun for me right at the moment.

That's my two cents. SO coming.

Skeet

[QUOTE=Jgm005;1362098]Add to that the quality of the toilet area. Is in a common area, have a urinal, bar soap, liquid soap or soap at all. Do not forget to add how one drys their hands? On their pants, wave them furiously or use some towel that has more cooties than my high school GF's snatch. All very important.[/QUOTE]A big thank's for reminding me about the toilet facilities, I completely forgot to mention this vital aspect of any clip joint. If these criteria are not met then I simply turn round and leave. I don't care about the quality of the girls or the prices and will never return to such a shameful establishment.

Regards.

BJ

Some Japanese guy going round with a hidden camera, in his glasses I think.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIBn_UnsXpQ&list=PL224BFC0F01C5DF72&index=50[/url]

Regards.

BJ

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1362150]Some Japanese guy going round with a hidden camera, in his glasses I think.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIBn_UnsXpQ&list=PL224BFC0F01C5DF72&index=50[/url]

Regards.

BJ[/QUOTE]I thank the guy. This is another place I will totally avoid. Not one lady in there even acknowledged the dudes presence.

Maybe he is a total loser. But probably just a bunch of disinterested girls who are lousy in bed.

[QUOTE=Margaya;1361945]I didn't get much response to this question in reports section so will try it here. What are your suggestions for having fun during day time in Bangkok? (other than massage parlours / BJ places) Any nice places to pick up free lancers, watch nude shows etc etc?[/QUOTE]Not really that I know of. Those girls in the nude shows have to sleep sometime.

There are SW's along Soi 3-5 bascially 24 hours.

Before the afternoon/evening I usually go to a movie, the mall for lunch, get a couple of massages, or hit up a low key bar that opens early.

[QUOTE=Wolf Hound;1362108]I decided to give the bad mannered Dr the benefit of the doubt and pay a visit to this 'parlour'.[/QUOTE]Talking about bad mannered it seems you have been already hit a few times by Jackson for your manners here, so before teaching others, do learn yourself.

It seems you have a bad feeling about DrBJ establishments but keep on going there.

You must be into the masochist side of BDSM fetish, eventually. Each onehis own, of course.

Do yourself a favour, do not sacrify yourself if you do not like DrBJ: leave it and stop visiting for the purpose of reporting negatively for our own agenda, if any.

[QUOTE=Margaya;1361945]I didn't get much response to this question in reports section so will try it here. What are your suggestions for having fun during day time in Bangkok? (other than massage parlours / BJ places) Any nice places to pick up free lancers, watch nude shows etc etc?[/QUOTE]Nude shows at night time in Cowboy, e. G. Long Gun, Suzi Wong. Day time have MPs, BJ as you mentioned also daytime bars in Soi Nana, also Bier Garten (I'm just saying. Not recommending).

Collect phone numbers of girls willing to visit you at your Hotel in morning, or daytime.

Try to sleep in the daytime.

somone recently wrote that lollipop (i think) had the best looking bj girls. i have to be skeptical. how come we read so many reports about dr. bj but so few about [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] and lollipop. is it popularity or just guys cannot resist something newer.

i don't like eden, with its very obvious acting and scripted routines (not to mention the looks of the girls) , but notice very few reports about it either. is it dying?

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1362134]A big thank's for reminding me about the toilet facilities, I completely forgot to mention this vital aspect of any clip joint. If these criteria are not met then I simply turn round and leave. I don't care about the quality of the girls or the prices and will never return to such a shameful establishment.

Regards.

BJ[/QUOTE]Something I hate about Thai clubs, is being molested from behind while trying to take a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]. No I definitely do not want a neck massage while trying to take a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] and certainly not from a guy.

A tap, a soap dispenser and paper towel to dry the hands or electric dryer is quite enough service thankyou.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1361668]North American girls are way more into kissing than TGs who get a F in that department. I suspect European ladies are also superior to Thais where this is concerned.[/QUOTE]I beg to differ. Perhaps I have been lucky but I seem to have almost always met Thai girls who like to DFK. Sometimes it took some convincing and training them, but the results in the end more than made up for any effort put into this training. My present Thai GF is totally into it: she kisses and sucks any body part in sight.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1362202]Something I hate about Thai clubs, is being molested from behind while trying to take a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]. No I definitely do not want a neck massage while trying to take a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] and certainly not from a guy.

A tap, a soap dispenser and paper towel to dry the hands or electric dryer is quite enough service thankyou.[/QUOTE]If you give a better tip, they will massage other parts of your body, for sure!

[QUOTE=Margaya;1361945]I didn't get much response to this question in reports section so will try it here. What are your suggestions for having fun during day time in Bangkok? (other than massage parlours / BJ places) Any nice places to pick up free lancers, watch nude shows etc etc?[/QUOTE]Eden Club already opens in the early afternoon. It is not for the faint hearted and some have complained that the performance is "scripted". I have been there several times and I prefer a nice scripted performance over a starfish anytime. The simple fact that their scripts always involve threesomes makes it rather special.

Eden Club's girls are not the youngest or the most beautiful, but they are totally uninhibited. You want a strap-on and dildo show? No problem. Lesbo action? Sure. Anal? Just pick a girl standing to the left of the yellow line in the bar area. Rimming? Part of the deal. Fuck one girl reverse CG while DATY the other? Just give them a hint and it is already done.

Don't go there if you want GFE. Go there if you want to be the lead actor in your own porn-movie and then go home really drained.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1362202]Something I hate about Thai clubs, is being molested from behind while trying to take a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]. No I definitely do not want a neck massage while trying to take a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] and certainly not from a guy.

A tap, a soap dispenser and paper towel to dry the hands or electric dryer is quite enough service thankyou.[/QUOTE]You must be really cute. Maybe they just like you.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1362270]I beg to differ. Perhaps I have been lucky but I seem to have almost always met Thai girls who like to DFK. Sometimes it took some convincing and training them, but the results in the end more than made up for any effort put into this training. My present Thai GF is totally into it: she kisses and sucks any body part in sight.[/QUOTE]I have never had a problem either. In fact I can't think of any that did not DFK.

But I am clean and carry mouth wash with me.

If you stink like shit and your breath smells, good luck.

[quote=syzygies; 1362199]somone recently wrote that lollipop (i think) had the best looking bj girls. i have to be skeptical. how come we read so many reports about dr. bj but so few about [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] and lollipop. is it popularity or just guys cannot resist something newer.

i don't like eden, with its very obvious acting and scripted routines (not to mention the looks of the girls) , but notice very few reports about it either. is it dying?[/quote]i don't know if lollipops has the best looking girls. but i have had the best service there. my last 4 visits i got great bbbj's and then fucked them in the booth. i think it is the best of the three.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1362275]Eden Club already opens in the early afternoon. It is not for the faint hearted and some have complained that the performance is "scripted". I have been there several times and I prefer a nice scripted performance over a starfish anytime. The simple fact that their scripts always involve threesomes makes it rather special.

Eden Club's girls are not the youngest or the most beautiful, but they are totally uninhibited. You want a strap-on and dildo show? No problem. Lesbo action? Sure. Anal? Just pick a girl standing to the left of the yellow line in the bar area. Rimming? Part of the deal. Fuck one girl reverse CG while DATY the other? Just give them a hint and it is already done.

Don't go there if you want GFE. Go there if you want to be the lead actor in your own porn-movie and then go home really drained.[/QUOTE]To me going to Eden and DD, is like contacting a travel agent to help you plan your trip. Overpriced and scripted.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1362270]I beg to differ. Perhaps I have been lucky but I seem to have almost always met Thai girls who like to DFK. Sometimes it took some convincing and training them, but the results in the end more than made up for any effort put into this training. My present Thai GF is totally into it: she kisses and sucks any body part in sight.[/QUOTE]You missed the point. If you have to convince and train, they were not into kissing. Kissing isn't a part of their culture. Sure, they can be convinced. Some will come to really enjoy it. But they weren't into initially.

This is actually one of my silver bullet questions when taking a go-go girl. If she hesitates or says "nid noi" then I know there is no point in taking her. Nic will say the issue is my beard, and that may be true. But Thais are not a kissing culture.

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[QUOTE=Pita123;1362388]You missed the point. If you have to convince and train, they were not into kissing. Kissing isn't a part of their culture. Sure, they can be convinced. Some will come to really enjoy it. But they weren't into initially.[/QUOTE]Actually, I got more kisses (and really good ones) from Thai WGs than I ever got from European hookers. And kissing is supposed to be part of our culture.

Ask any Western youngster what they think of DFK and they will tell you it is "gross". So we also had to be convinced and trained.

I think there is a big difference between Thai and Western culture here. We see kissing as something we do regularly in public with family and friends (the polite "cheek to cheek" kiss you give your maiden-aunt). Thai are totally not into that, they have their "sniffing kiss". But DFK is something really different. Thai never do that outside of a sexual relationship and in a sexual environment. You won't see Thai lovers doing that in public. It is not part of their "love & affection" culture, but definitely part of their sexual culture.

As I said before, my Thai GF is really into kissing but only when having sex. Outside of the bedroom, she will hug and sniff but not kiss to show her love. She does not connect kisses with love, but kisses are part of sex.

In the Western culture kissing is more part of love which is the reason -IMHO- that Western WG are reluctant to kiss (any type of kisses) as they feel it is too personal.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1362366]To me going to Eden and DD, is like contacting a travel agent to help you plan your trip. Overpriced and scripted.[/QUOTE]Very well said! I agree, but some times I just want to be part of a hot and well scripted movie.

[QUOTE=Dreams;1361686]Very good post, as long as you understand that he was being sarcastic, and that everything he suggests has to be avoided. Therefore a good post, once you transform all the recommendations into "avoid" places.[/QUOTE]Certainly true that everything he said was tongue in cheek and the best advice is to do the opposite of what he said. I have to say I did LMAO as I was reading the original, picturing this poor guy being fleeced and slapped in the face everywhere he went.

Regards.

BJ

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1362270]I beg to differ. Perhaps I have been lucky but I seem to have almost always met Thai girls who like to DFK. Sometimes it took some convincing and training them, but the results in the end more than made up for any effort put into this training. My present Thai GF is totally into it: she kisses and sucks any body part in sight.[/QUOTE]How did you "convince" them to swap bodily fluids with you? A generous tip, perhaps?

I wonder what gave you the impression they "like to DFK". Just the fact that a hooker DFK you does not equate to her "liking it". You would need to be a mind reader to know if she was not merely acting like she liked it, or doing it out of duty or for money or because you asked or she followed only because you initiated it or you trained her how to do it, as opposed to truly liking it.

But guesses at whether or not a girl liked it is not the issue. More pertinent to the matter of being into DFK are other issues like duration. To me any DFKing worthwhile means prolonged kissing, not just a few licks, a tease, or a only minute or two. Based on my experience one would be lucky to get even the latter from a random TG.

All my experience is with hookers in both countries and I'd say around 90 percent of dozens of Canadian females were willing to kiss me nonstop for at least 5 minutes. OTOH with dozens of TGs in Bangkok it was way less than 50 percent. I'd estimate around only 15 percent lasted that long. Moreover about half of those TGs didn't really get into DFK until I was riding inside them and rubbing on them in the missionary position. All the Canadians were kissing during foreplay.

I was out the other day & asked two BKK streetwalker hookers who showed interest in me if they kissed. They both said "a little bit" & I walked away, knowing that meant they had just graded themselves as an F in that department. Most likely this "little bit" would have been nothing or a couple lame closed mouth kisses. Canadian girls IME never say they will kiss a "little bit". Quite a few Canadian girls expressed how much they enjoyed kissing, whereas TGs never did so.

LOL at having to "convince & train them" to kiss. I've never met a Canadian P4P girl who did not already know how to kiss. Western style lip to lip and tongue to tongue kissing is not common in Thai culture.

Speaking of training, a number of TGs who do kiss need to be trained not to bite when they do so. I don't know why they do this, but I've never experienced these zombie style kissers in the Western world. Only in Thailand. Is it an indication they really like it, have watched too many Thai videos with GFs pretending to bite their BFs body parts or are they just hungry?

When a TG is asked about whether she will kiss a common response is "a little bit" or silence or shake her head, both of which mean no. A disgusted look on her face is another response, even at times when they agree to DFK, or during the act. Canadian girls I've been with have not been like that.

As for "kissing and sucking" other body parts, based on your experience of one TG, that is different from lip to lip or French kissing. IME TGs are more willing to use their mouth and tongue on a man's dick, balls & ass hole than on his mouth. When it comes to the latter, TGs don't know what a tongue is made for. Could the preference for a guy's ass hole be related to what is always foremost on a TGs mind, spicy Som Tam.

It's unfortunate that TGs are not into kissing like Western women because so many of them have beautifully thick Angelina Jolie type lips. The smart career oriented Thai hookers can use this to their advantage. They will become my keepers.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1362475]Actually, I got more kisses (and really good ones) from Thai WGs than I ever got from European hookers. And kissing is supposed to be part of our culture.

Ask any Western youngster what they think of DFK and they will tell you it is "gross". So we also had to be convinced and trained.[/QUOTE]I think you will find that Thai youngters find it gross far more so than westerners who are used to seeing it on the TV. That would be my experience.

When it comes to sex, you find that some Thais are into it (DFK) and some are not. Its becoming more common in the modern day. With westerners, very few avoid it in normal relationships.

For hookers, whether eastern or western, some do it greatly and others don't. Can't beat Brazillians for luscious lips and DFK in my opinion. Probbly only a small percentage of Thais are super at DFK. I know some European hookers who are fabulous at it. So overall I would says the Europeans win (in P4P field) or are at least equal.

I am biased by mostly avoiding European girls who don't like kissing. Your Thai GF does not sound exactly typical.

P.S. I try to maximise the pleasantness to kiss, by not smoking and by cleaning teeeth, mouth and tongue regularly. Thais are sensitive to bad breath and any bad odours at all. There is one Thai girl I do not like to kiss too due to ash-tray breath.

[QUOTE=Pita123;1362388]This is actually one of my silver bullet questions when taking a go-go girl. If she hesitates or says "nid noi" then I know there is no point in taking her. Nic will say the issue is my beard, and that may be true. But Thais are not a kissing culture.[/QUOTE]I really think a one or two day growth is worse for girls with sensitive skin than a beard, assuming the beard is clean. I try to shave well just before any session to minimise the scratchiness. This is not always convenient, so have battery shaver too. Some Thais dislike the DFK due to the redness on lips and around mouth from a scratchy stubble. Not all girls are so sensitive of course.

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[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1362460]A damn site cheaper as well. Personally I think the girls attitudes are more hit than miss in Soi 6 than they are in Soi cowboy.

Regards.

BJ[/QUOTE]I personally had a lot of good luck in Soi Cowboy. Girls from Baccara, Doll's House, Suzi Wong, Sheba, Shark, Midnight, almost every one was good and I recall one dud from Tilac and another dud from Long Gun. I really spend significant time choosing fun but not crazy girls, good dancers, and it usually pays off. Perhaps I forget some other crap girls.

Nana Plaza works less well for me, as it seems to have more of a hurry hurry culture. Girls in a big hurry to be avoided of course. Seems tougher to pick the good ones there.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1361668]Your comments here are a good example of why I am enjoying the comparison between Bangkok & elsewhere.

This topic was initially raised by a post from Rick Rock.

One point that hasn't been mentioned yet is the ease of obtaining BBFS in Bangkok compared to the USA.

It is far, far easier to find.

I'd rather stay in my home country and wank alone if that was not the case verses coming to BKK to use a plastic baggie.

The value I put on that is that it's priceless.

BTW North American girls are way more into kissing than TGs who get a F in that department. I suspect European ladies are also superior to Thais where this is concerned.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1362464]The "rude little rodent who will not get very far in the customer service game" was me. The same person who has created a thriving business in the shape of the salon in an extremely competitive industry and location in the past 12 months. OMG, imagine what I could achieve if I stopped being flat out rude and took lessons on customer service from a true expert like yourself! Actually while you are in town perhaps I could pay you an exorbitant amount of money in return for some top grade tuition? I promise I will get the ladies to hide so as not to offend your cosmopolitan sense of beauty.

Regards.

BJ[/QUOTE]Hey Doc. Been reading a few of your post. Just wanted to comment that I was at your BJ Salon February 2012 and really enjoy the woman I had that was chosen for me, first time jitters. Any how, she cleaned me and was very thorough in her duties. She wanted more, stated she was horny but I didn't want to waste a shot knowing I was hitting the soapies afterwards. I would return and I look forward to trying your other establishments.

Good luck with the business model, and I'll see you in January.

Skeet

[QUOTE=Skeetm; 1362516]Hey Doc. Been reading a few of your post. Just wanted to comment that I was at your BJ Salon February 2012 and really enjoy the woman I had that was chosen for me, first time jitters. Any how, she cleaned me and was very thorough in her duties. She wanted more, stated she was horny but I didn't want to waste a shot knowing I was hitting the soapies afterwards. I would return and I look forward to trying your other establishments.

Good luck with the business model, and I'll see you in January.

Skeet[/QUOTE]Thank you for the positive post. If you have never tried a Nuru massage I thoroughly recommend it. I am sure you will have put your nervous jitters to one side, however if you want a lady recommended to you please just ask. Appreciate your wishes of good luck and look forward to seeing you again in January.

Regards.

BJ

Arriving January on 3 year contract. Lots of anticipation.

N

[QUOTE=Dreams;1361686]Very good post, as long as you understand that he was being sarcastic, and that everything he suggests has to be avoided. Therefore a good post, once you transform all the recommendations into "avoid" places.[/QUOTE]Whoever doesn't recognize this sarcasm open on the plate really deserves the slap in the face. After all we need just a tiny little bit of common sense to survive.

[QUOTE=Tiger 888;1362543]Whoever doesn't recognize this sarcasm open on the plate really deserves the slap in the face. After all we need just a tiny little bit of common sense to survive.[/QUOTE]Rubbish. Newbies would not know it's bad advice if they are not aquainted with the places at all. Those places are normally not discussed anymore.
If it's entertaining to some, great for them.

I miss the old days when I used to get a lot of laughs from Nic's extended reports, when he did not need sarcasm as the main humour device.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1362547]Rubbish. Newbies would not know it's bad advice if they are not aquainted with the places at all. Those places are normally not discussed anymore.

If it's entertaining to some, great for them.

I miss the old days when I used to get a lot of laughs from Nic's extended reports, when he did not need sarcasm as the main humour device.[/QUOTE]Don't tell me that you are one of those who genuinely believe you can offer any random lady in even one country in the world the equivalent of 5000 Baht for a lay and don't risk to be slapped. In that case my advice would be: go and try Saudi Arabia. No sarcasm involved, lol.

[QUOTE=Bunky; 1361446]The best way to hook up with them is to approach any girl you think is HOT, . You can increase the odds by approaching girls that are with their families. This is because supporting elders is deeply ingrained in Thai culture and the girl will "make merit" by agreeing in front of her parents to go with you.

Bunky[/QUOTE]Bunky, this is hilarious!

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1362547]Rubbish. Newbies would not know it's bad advice if they are not aquainted with the places at all. Those places are normally not discussed anymore.

If it's entertaining to some, great for them.

I miss the old days when I used to get a lot of laughs from Nic's extended reports, when he did not need sarcasm as the main humour device.[/QUOTE]Sad that some guys seem to enjoy seeing others being ripped off, just because they are newbies. And even if they are dumb, which remain to be proven, I can't see the pleasure in letting them be duped. Not my sense of humour.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1362475]Actually, I got more kisses (and really good ones) from Thai WGs than I ever got from European hookers. And kissing is supposed to be part of our culture.[/QUOTE]Note that you said WG and I did not.

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[QUOTE=Skeetm;1362516]. stated she was horny but I didn't want to waste a shot knowing I was hitting the soapies afterwards.[/QUOTE]"waste a shot" LOL. It is allowable to fuck without cumming. Perhaps she should have said she was horny before you blew, so you could have finished with the blow job. In my case, I am always willing to give DATY if she has a nice pussy, free of charge. Sperm levels are then not relevant.

Next time, go to the soapy first. Later, when still horny, can do the BJ bar. A very skilled BJ can just about always get another shot out of you after any sort of break.

Personally I have used the BJ bar when very pushed for time, a very short mongering window. That is it's best use for me. For guys that really only like BBBJ, then BJ bar is definitely the place I guess.

Where do you find the better looking girls nowadays. In Bangkok or in Pattaya? And where is the service quality higher? I guess that the girls in Pattaya have lower prices than the ones in Bangkok. I consider to visit Pattaya just for the girls there when I stay in Bangkok. Is it worth to go to Pattaya or better to stay in Bangkok? The girls in the Baccara bar in Soi Cowboy in Bangkok for example are said to be very good looking and provide a very good service too.

[QUOTE=Pussycheck;1362633]Where do you find the better looking girls nowadays. In Bangkok or in Pattaya? And where is the service quality higher? I guess that the girls in Pattaya have lower prices than the ones in Bangkok. I consider to visit Pattaya just for the girls there when I stay in Bangkok. Is it worth to go to Pattaya or better to stay in Bangkok? The girls in the Baccara bar in Soi Cowboy in Bangkok for example are said to be very good looking and provide a very good service too.[/QUOTE]Either place has nice looking girls and good service. Just negotiate what you want. Don't expect her to kiss or do BBBJ. Ask the girl what she does.

Generally the prices are less in Pattaya.

I am a numbers guy. I like to fuck 2 girls a day, minimum. You get more bang for the buck in Pattaya.

But you should have a good time in either place.

[QUOTE=Tiger 888;1362543]Whoever doesn't recognize this sarcasm open on the plate really deserves the slap in the face. After all we need just a tiny little bit of common sense to survive.[/QUOTE]We have many members of this forum who do not speak English as their first language. It can be hard for them to recognize sarcasm, irony, etc.

[QUOTE=JPF;1362796]We have many members of this forum who do not speak English as their first language. It can be hard for them to recognize sarcasm, irony, etc.[/QUOTE]OK, that explains alot. I am very sarcastic. But it seems many on here don't get it or take it personally. This is a site where we mostly discuss fucking ladies and paying them. Right? Is everything suppose to be very serious? I think some have never in the military or part of a team environment, where scarcasm is a way to survive.

[QUOTE=Pussycheck;1362633]Where do you find the better looking girls nowadays. In Bangkok or in Pattaya? And where is the service quality higher? I guess that the girls in Pattaya have lower prices than the ones in Bangkok. I consider to visit Pattaya just for the girls there when I stay in Bangkok. Is it worth to go to Pattaya or better to stay in Bangkok? The girls in the Baccara bar in Soi Cowboy in Bangkok for example are said to be very good looking and provide a very good service too.[/QUOTE]That you're asking is so general and the answer really depends on:

1. What you consider to be good looking.

2. How much time you have on your holiday.

3. How much money you are willing to part with.

I would have to honestly say that there are better looking girls in BKK simply because it is a numbers games in the end but whether they are available at your particular price point is another question. You can go to places like Airport in Pattaya and find good quality spinners to though. Ideally you should try both places and make you mind up yourself instead of potentially missing out based on an anonymous internet forum. Bear in mind that Pattaya is only 2. 5 hours away from Bangkok so its not like you will be locked in if you decide its not all that but having boots on the ground is a more decisive factor that reading about it.

The service quality also depends upon the girl and unless you get a particular recommendation no one can reasonably answer it.

BTW what's all the hate directed at Dr BJ's about? I went there last week and had a great time with Gon. Still waiting for the Pattaya branch to open though.

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[QUOTE=MikeCanHelp; 1362457]Hi guys,

I travel a lot bcs of my job. I got tired of cheap bar girls and really can recommend you guys to try out this service. The girls are superb, very sexy, polite, clean and professional.

The ladies speak good english, what makes it easy for you to communicate and share a great time.

I prefer to pay for a service like this rather than hanging around for hrs in bars, getting wasted and dropping home with a girl who probably not even makes you happy.

I have tried this service for a few times now and I never got disappointed. Ora is amazing.)

Everything is very smooth, discreet and private. You really get what you are paying for.

Best of all, you can book them 24/7.)

Cheers and enjoy,

Mike.

[url]http://www.bangkok-web-escort.com[/url][/QUOTE]Of course you would not be promting you own site would you Mike. LOL.

I know a few girls who work for escort sites and their general client base is Middle Eastern customers. Those who pretend to be religious but then when in BKK can have some naughty fun in their room. They cannot go out to get girls from bars etc. And cannot be seen with a girl, but can call up an escort for room service.

Everyone else can go and get girls for much lower prices from bars and clubs and massage places. But hey. If you are pretending to be a religious man and cannot go get a girl, then yes, you can pay through the nose for a poor performing escort girl. Its a rip off but there are people out there who have to pay 300 to 500% over the normal rate, for their privacy reasons.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1362475]Actually, I got more kisses (and really good ones) from Thai WGs than I ever got from European hookers. And kissing is supposed to be part of our culture.

(snip)

In the Western culture kissing is more part of love which is the reason. IMHO- that Western WG are reluctant to kiss (any type of kisses) as they feel it is too personal.[/QUOTE]My experience is almost exclusively with Canadian P4P girls who were streetwalking drug addicts.

Around 90% of them were willing to lip kiss and or French kiss.

I usually made a deal with them of 10 minutes kissing for 10 dollars Canadian, which is about 10 USD.

That would be enough money to get them a rock.

After 10 minutes kissing I'd give her the 10 dollars, go find another girl & repeat the same thing.

Used their various services for several years before coming to LOS instead.

Many of these Canuck hookers would also give up BBFS, though you'ld probably pay quite a lot more for that (comparable to BKK prices). As a group they have a high rate of HIV & STIs, and work in an area where there is lots of theft and violence. You can probably guess as to the service levels & hotel conditions.

I am not aware if an area of such types exists in BKK or if lower sukhumvit streetwalkers would go for the aforementioned type of deal.

[QUOTE=Pointy Stick; 1362849]That you're asking is so general and the answer really depends on:

BTW what's all the hate directed at Dr BJ's about? I went there last week and had a great time with Gon. Still waiting for the Pattaya branch to open though.[/QUOTE]I agree. I'm going to BKK soon and will visit his salons for the first time, don't want him to be all cranky when I get there, due to all the hate you direct at him here. Dr BJ, don't let a few keyboard warriors get you down! See you in a couple of weeks.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1362815]OK, that explains alot. I am very sarcastic. But it seems many on here don't get it or take it personally. This is a site where we mostly discuss fucking ladies and paying them. Right? Is everything suppose to be very serious? I think some have never in the military or part of a team environment, where scarcasm is a way to survive.[/QUOTE]So, for you, helping newbies to get ripped off, is what makes you laugh? There are other ways to be sarcastic. And, By the way, I feel privileged to have avoided all my life being in a military environment. I am not sure that it is the best palce to enjoy humour and have a good laugh.

OTE=Dreams; 1362978]So, for you, helping newbies to get ripped off, is what makes you laugh? There are other ways to be sarcastic. And, By the way, I feel privileged to have avoided all my life being in a military environment. I am not sure that it is the best palce to enjoy humour and have a good laugh.[/QUOTE]


Actually, your posts make me laugh.

It is obvious you never served and have no idea what I am talking about.

Too bad for you. You could really use it. From your reads, you seem to be part of the "pussification of men" in the world today.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1362815]OK, that explains alot. I am very sarcastic.[/QUOTE]Actually you are not one of the most sarcastic at all. When you heap shit on something, you do it in a straight forward obvious way.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1362891]My experience is almost exclusively with Canadian P4P girls who were streetwalking drug addicts.

Around 90% of them were willing to lip kiss and or French kiss.[/QUOTE]I do not think this category of girls can be considered to represent the average WG, but I confess I am not at all knowledgeable of that part of the market.

[QUOTE=Deakyo;1362895]I agree. I'm going to BKK soon and will visit his salons for the first time, don't want him to be all cranky when I get there, due to all the hate you direct at him here. Dr BJ, don't let a few keyboard warriors get you down! See you in a couple of weeks.[/QUOTE]Being of Scottish ancestry my ownself I'm just the kind of cheap bastard that he's marketing to. This was my first opportunity to try the place and I say it was great! I chose Nee and she was open to all suggestions with a great attitude and an exceptional work ethic. People who've complained about the facilities are telling stories. It's clean, fresh and comfortable. There were probably 10 or so ladies available when I dropped in around 4 pm. I had a nice chat with the Doc first and he's just the kind of guy you could have a couple of beers and a laugh with. As a side note, when I left I did notice an extremely pretty and sexy staff member at the Dr. BJ's NURU shop right next door. I wanted to stop and stare but had not consumed any alcohol yet.

[QUOTE=Deakyo;1362895]I agree. I'm going to BKK soon and will visit his salons for the first time, don't want him to be all cranky when I get there, due to all the hate you direct at him here. Dr BJ, don't let a few keyboard warriors get you down! See you in a couple of weeks.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the support Deakyo, I look forward to welcoming you at the Salon. I am completely unfazed by the personal attacks on here, it makes me chuckle to read them and in a way I feel sorry for them. Now I am not saying I like being confrontational in person, however, I would have a lot more respect for these guys if they came and spoke to me face to face in a calm and mature fashion. But that is never going to happen.

What you have to bear in mind is that some of these people have a financial interest in other venues or they are very good friends with someone who does. They want people to go to these other venues and stay away from mine. They believe that personal attacks on me will persuade people to stay away from the Salon or the two new places. Pita summed it up best, he stated he has been to the Salon, did not like it and probably will not go back. He does not like the venue but could not give two squirts of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] whether I am a complete arsehole or a diamond geezer because it is not relevant. I have total respect for his point of view and his honesty.

Sadly there are people in this world who believe they can make their own candle burn brighter by blowing out other peoples.

Regards.

BJ

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;1363192]As a side note, when I left I did notice an extremely pretty and sexy staff member at the Dr. BJ's NURU shop right next door. I wanted to stop and stare but had not consumed any alcohol yet.[/QUOTE]The alcohol is needed for what? Losing the shyness to enable you to fully oggle the girl? I am a fully sober monger. One or two drinks is about the most when I play up, but not at all necessary. I take a long time to finish, so I do not need any anaesthetising affects of alcohol. I do understand however that alcohol may help slow down for senstive guys who normally cum too quick.

It should be possible to relax without alcohol.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1363088]I do not think this category of girls can be considered to represent the average WG, but I confess I am not at all knowledgeable of that part of the market.[/QUOTE]I'd opine definitely not representative of Western SP's, though IME to a much lesser extent serious drug addiction seems to occur amongst BKK P4P streetwalkers, and reportedly also in the gogos.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1362497]I think you will find that Thai youngters find it gross far more so than westerners who are used to seeing it on the TV. That would be my experience.

When it comes to sex, you find that some Thais are into it (DFK) and some are not. Its becoming more common in the modern day. With westerners, very few avoid it in normal relationships.

For hookers, whether eastern or western, some do it greatly and others don't. Can't beat Brazillians for luscious lips and DFK in my opinion. Probbly only a small percentage of Thais are super at DFK. I know some European hookers who are fabulous at it. So overall I would says the Europeans win (in P4P field) or are at least equal.

I am biased by mostly avoiding European girls who don't like kissing. Your Thai GF does not sound exactly typical.

P. S. I try to maximise the pleasantness to kiss, by not smoking and by cleaning teeeth, mouth and tongue regularly. Thais are sensitive to bad breath and any bad odours at all. There is one Thai girl I do not like to kiss too due to ash-tray breath.[/QUOTE]Re bad breath I had a P4P TG who wouldn't kiss during sex the other day, but after a shot of listerine she became a wild DFK.

That was one of the rare times I forgot to mouthwash myself.

Recently another regular, quite the beauty, surprised me by initiating DFK from the get go and almost non stop throughout intercourse.

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FFF. Throw her away & get a new one.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWw_vvi06jE[/url]

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1363018]OTE=Dreams; 1362978]So, for you, helping newbies to get ripped off, is what makes you laugh? There are other ways to be sarcastic. And, By the way, I feel privileged to have avoided all my life being in a military environment. I am not sure that it is the best palce to enjoy humour and have a good laugh.[/QUOTE]Actually, your posts make me laugh.

It is obvious you never served and have no idea what I am talking about.

Too bad for you. You could really use it. From your reads, you seem to be part of the "pussification of men" in the world today.[/QUOTE]Actually I did "serve". Did it ever cross your mind that one can "serve" outside a military environement? Such as spending a few years in a deprived part of the worl, providing medical help? Just a thought for you."pussification of men"? Ee, a new concept. Maybe you are still trying to be "sarcastic".

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1362360]I have never had a problem either. In fact I can't think of any that did not DFK.

But I am clean and carry mouth wash with me.

If you stink like shit and your breath smells, good luck.[/QUOTE]Wow 100 percent. That is amazing success.

But then you chat up, romance, wine and dine your hookers. I OTOH never do.

I'm not interested in talking to them beyond the bare essentials of making the deal.

Nor am I interested in standing around being vamped by small flying disease ridden creatures in and around NEP and the open bars in the vicinity.

I don't look like Brad Pitt or Sean Connery either.

I have more success getting DFK from the ugly or average lookers, but the beauties are the ones I really want to DFK.

BTW it is often said here that BKK has more attractive ladies than Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1363215]It should be possible to relax without alcohol.[/QUOTE]It seems you took a giant leap with what I intended as a somewhat humorous remark. I think it would be rude to just stop and stare for a noticeable length of time. Unless I intended to book her perhaps, but since I had just finished I would have simply been staring. If you are comfortable with that go ahead. The fact that I am not does not mean I am unable to relax without alcohol or that there is something wrong with me. Or perhaps you were simply sharing your wisdom again. It strikes me that if you are not a preacher you really missed your calling 'cause God knows you sure can preach. Is that what your handle means? Polish Preacher?

But all joking aside, reading your posts it's clear you do like a pretty face. Maybe you should go have a look because she was quite something and I've been here long enough to see some real beauties.

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[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai; 1363320]It seems you took a giant leap with what I intended as a somewhat humorous remark. I think it would be rude to just stop and stare for a noticeable length of time. Unless I intended to book her perhaps, but since I had just finished I would have simply been staring. If you are comfortable with that go ahead. The fact that I am not does not mean I am unable to relax without alcohol or that there is something wrong with me. Or perhaps you were simply sharing your wisdom again. It strikes me that if you are not a preacher you really missed your calling 'cause God knows you sure can preach. Is that what your handle means? Polish Preacher?

But all joking aside, reading your posts it's clear you do like a pretty face. Maybe you should go have a look because she was quite something and I've been here long enough to see some real beauties.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I probably needed a smilie to recognise it as some sort of joke. Certainly seemed a strange thing to say.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1363268]Wow 100 percent. That is amazing success.

But then you chat up, romance, wine and dine your hookers. I OTOH never do.

I'm not interested in talking to them beyond the bare essentials of making the deal.

Nor am I interested in standing around being vamped by small flying disease ridden creatures in and around NEP and the open bars in the vicinity.

I don't look like Brad Pitt or Sean Connery either.

I have more success getting DFK from the ugly or average lookers, but the beauties are the ones I really want to DFK.

BTW it is often said here that BKK has more attractive ladies than Pattaya.[/QUOTE]?

It takes 30 seconds to walk into a MP, or SW, of FL and introduce yourself and ask: Do you kiss with mouth open, do you BBBJ, do you have sex no condom, do you whatever.

They are not there to be wined and dined. Most want to get down to business just like you.

And 99% of these girls understand the sex questions.

It is not rocket science. At least I don't approach it that way.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1363360]Sorry, I probably needed a smilie to recognise it as some sort of joke. Certainly seemed a strange thing to say.[/QUOTE]Had the same feeling: was not understanding why "no alcohol enough" was the deal breaker.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1363429]?

It takes 30 seconds to walk into a MP, or SW, of FL and introduce yourself and ask: Do you kiss with mouth open, do you BBBJ, do you have sex no condom, do you whatever.

They are not there to be wined and dined. Most want to get down to business just like you.

And 99% of these girls understand the sex questions.

It is not rocket science. At least I don't approach it that way.[/QUOTE]You claim all the TGs DFK you. My experience is otherwise, like maybe 50 percent I asked about it. Overall less than 10 percent, perhaps, but I don't ask every TG and this is somewhthing I've found they very rarely initiate on their own when the subject is not raised. In Canada OTOH IME it's more like 90 percent agreed to do it. Virtually all of my girls have been P4P and streetwalkers, not from MP's or gogos.

Before your most recent trip you spent many hours online chatting up TGs and later met some of them in person. I never do that. Girls that are chatterbugs with me are one & done. Maybe some girls find it rude that I want to get right to business without talking.

I've had at least one girl go with me, apparently agreeing to DFK but refusing in my room. I kicked her out without pay after some closed mouth kissing. Perhaps her understanding of English was next to nothing, like a bunch of other TGs I've picked up over the years.

True, it's not rocket science to pick up a TG. But the point in my post had to do with investigating reasons why one guy claims 100 percent of TGs he's been with DFK him, while another who's been with dozens of them has a radicly different experience. So more pertinent to the issue is not the 30 second pickup but what happens between then & the makeout and or sex sessions.

BTW I'm over 50, don't speak Thai, am not Brad Pitt's twin, and it's possible I may look somewhat EI to some ladies. I have no beard, though often a bit of facial growth, like a day or two, & it grows fast.

While I take good care of my oral hygiene, that doesn't mean every girl will find the smell of my mouth pleasing, which can vary from person to person depending on things like health, diet, etc. But I don't gorge on huge amounts of onions & garlic. My diet is Western.

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Hot thai girl?

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[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1363429]?

It takes 30 seconds to walk into a MP, or SW, of FL and introduce yourself and ask: Do you kiss with mouth open, do you BBBJ, do you have sex no condom, do you whatever.[/QUOTE]It also takes 5 seconds for the girl to say "yes", take you to the room and then let you realise she had no clue what you were talking about by refusing to do what you asked for.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1363455]Had the same feeling: was not understanding why "no alcohol enough" was the deal breaker.[/QUOTE]What deal breaker? That I resisted the urge to stop and stare? And where does "enough" fit into this? For what it's worth I do not understand you either.

Geeze o man. The guy made a silly/humorous comment about how he thought to stop and stare at some chick but he was thirsty and wasn't really considering being a customer so he just kept walking. Yinz don't need to do a Master's thesis on the etymology in order to understand the comment made as an aside.

recently, tried a girl lai (wi-lai) at suzie wong. sorry, i don't know numbers. nearly took "bom bam" too but decided one was enough this time. smallish tits but otherwise slim hot curves. worst feature is nose a bit too broad, otherwise very nice looking. chemistry was good and she has very sweet mouth (no smoking and paak waan too). performance very good. i usually do only short time on first occasion, but she was keen to stay all night. claimed she has to rush to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] after cumming.

relaxed type girl in the bar, not too pushy. sw actually has quite a number of good girls (and some shockers) , when they show up."noo dee" is the best looker of all. as the staff know me, they will even give me "thumbs up" or "thumbs down" about girls, because they want me to have the best possible time.

i like also yao and not. also the following who are not there presently: bow, noi. i think nit has finished up completely. many of these were ex sheba girls. none of my favourite girls have big tits. teuan does have big naturals but personality is a bit selfish. i am choosing girls for face and arse and not worried about tit size.

sheba and sw has always been a good hunting ground for me, even though have limited real beauties, especially when i want to take double trouble combos from lesbian show. so if big tits is not important try this bar. there are some big silicones but i ignore them. if you choose well, a girl that is not too pushy, most girls are good. actually none of them discuss the price with me, probably due to my good reputation.

i think having hunting grounds where you are well known can be to your advantage. the odd drink and little tips to the favourite service staff, make them very helpful at all times too. i don't have enough mongering time available to make many mistakes over choosing girls. don't worry about the lbs in sw. they are just in the mamasan and service staff. i don't think the sw music selection is as good as sheba was. the dj needs to wake up and pick some better stuff. i might tell the management that the girls don't llike the music that much and the customers don't really like it that much either. also the fire-show should be eliminated.

i have had girls from baccarat for st or lt on occasions. however, i still prefer the less classy sw maybe because the style is a bit more raunchy, and the girls seem to be having more fun. its more natural. most baccarat girls look very bored and dance just a pathetic jiggle. they seem made up like dolls for the japanese customer. does not appeal to me much. girls need good music selection in order to want to dance. baccarat has too much "house" stuff i think.

i like the completely nude girls at sw. no need to try to look up some girls skirt.

i think that sw/sheba were under-rated bars. of course the talent depends on which girls are working and time of night. not many girls there, do multiple sts per evening. that way i never feel rushed or that girls are in a hurry, and at times quite the opposite. i like the lesbian show, oil show, shower show, i.e. the very sexy ones. to be honest i don't care at all about the drink price, so don't know how it compares. can of coke lite is a reasonable price for me. same for g&t, jack-soda, jaimeson, whatever i feel like at the time. i don't drink beer.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1363593]I like the completely nude girls at SW. No need to try to look up some girls skirt.[/QUOTE]I like the semi-nude or modestly dressed streewalking working girls of lower sukhumvit.

Semi-nude as in bare legs, bare arms, tight clothes that don't leave much to the imagination, and sometimes lots of visible cleavage.

The modest dressers are like opening a Cracker Jacks box to see what the prize is, or a Chrismas present that you don't know what's inside.

Sometimes I am pleasantly surprised at the ass or to find big beautiful boobs.

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HOT! Thai Girls in Thai University Uniform.

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[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;1363547]What deal breaker? That I resisted the urge to stop and stare? And where does "enough" fit into this? For what it's worth I do not understand you either.[/QUOTE]Let's put it this way: from your sentence it looked you did not pursue any action because of alcohol. That is a good and wise reason if one, under influence of alcohol, can detect his "poor" status.

Whether that was a joke or serious, it came clear later as there was no sign of sarcas. Maybe necaise not all are mother language.

Cheers

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1363597]Sometimes I am pleasantly surprised at the ass or to find big beautiful boobs.[/QUOTE]Yes I understand. I am a very boring dude. I don't like surprises at all, especially if its a bomb site or a dick. I like to check the waist, crotch and bottom in detail before choosing something that gets a rise in my pants. I haven't got time for taking a chance.

Sometimes seeing a girl in bikini is quite good enough to be very convincing like my Annies model. I don't really like girls in frilly skirts though. Just bikini bottom would be better.

I do appreciate some guys like the surprise of the unwrapping.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1363593]The odd drink and little tips to the favourite service staff, make them very helpful at all times too.[/quote]Residents and Regulars: Take note. This is the way to do it. Servers are privy to all the stories that happen between girls and know which ones are good (or not). A few drinks and tip here and there will always be rewarded. Great Advice.

[quote]I like the completely nude girls at SW. No need to try to look up some girls skirt.[/QUOTE]Well the girls upstairs go completely nude these days.

I appreciate your Suzie reports. I am a big Baccara devote. What can I say? I like the place and have my favorites there. They know me at Baccara and I get treated real well. But, there is always room on my dance card for another quality Go Go. I think I only poked my head in to Suzie Wong once or twice, didn't like what I saw and left quickly. Sounds like that was my loss. I am going to make a point of checking out Suzie Wong next trip and giving it a fair try.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1363593]Relaxed type girl in the bar, not too pushy. SW actually has quite a number of good girls (and some shockers), when they show up. “Noo Dee" is the best looker of all. I like also Yao and Not.[/QUOTE]Good to know. I know what you mean by 'good girls. '

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1363593]Sheba and SW has always been a good hunting ground for me, even though have limited real beauties, especially when I want to take double trouble combos from lesbian show. So if big tits is not important try this bar.[/QUOTE]Silicone tits are a turn off for me. I always prefer girls with natural 'A' and 'B' cups. There is one Baccara girl I have known for 3. 5 years. When I first met her she had beautiful small natural Thai mounds. She is a very sweet girl. I had great sex with her. A couple of years ago she made a capital investment in her infrastructure with silicone breasts. With her top on they look good. Not too big, they just give her a fuller upper body look. With her top off it is not so good. Her breasts look like round baseballs. She is still the same charming girl I always knew. I continue to bar fine her occasionally because we are old friends and crikey I don't want to be mean to her. I know that sounds nuts, but other than her tits, she is very pretty and has a great slim little body that is always ready for action. But the baseball tits ruined her IMHO. Of course I do not tell her this, but now it takes longer for me to have an orgasm with her. She noticed the change in me and tries extra hard to get me to cum now. Last time I was with her she said I could fuck her without a condom if I wanted. Like I said she is a great girl and she goes the whole 9 yards to make me happy. Incidentally, she is very happy with her investment. It has given her a good return on her money. She is a very popular Baccara girl, but then she was popular before the surgery too.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1363593]I think having hunting grounds where you are well known can be to your advantage. The odd drink and little tips to the favorite service staff make them very helpful at all times too.[/QUOTE]I am been saying this for a long time. Strategically placed tips to service staff have real benefits. And always treat your girls good. Word gets around fast in a Go Go and the benefits of being perceived as a good guy mounts.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1363593]I have had girls from Baccarat for ST or LT on occasions. However, I still prefer the less classy SW maybe because the style is a bit raunchier, and the girls seem to be having more fun. It’s more natural. Most Baccarat girls look very bored and dance just a pathetic jiggle.[/QUOTE]Yep, that's the Baccara shuffle. There are so many girls on stage they really can't be expected to dance. It is basically a line up. See the girl you like and ask her over for a drink. But most, not all the Baccara girls I have met are real nice girls. The are straight up girls. They want your business and they want to show you a good time. In fact I never had a bad session with any of these girls. A few pulled the 'I want to get back to the bar and find another customer' thing. That is their perogative, but I never barfine that girl again. Later they realize they fucked up with me. But most of the girls are happy with one ST bar fine a night and prefer not to go back to the bar unless I ask them to accompany me, in which case, they do not get back on stage. Hell many nights a girl never gets barfined.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1363593]I think that SW/Sheba were under-rated bars. Of course the talent depends on which girls are working and time of night. Not many girls there do multiple STs per evening. That way I never feel rushed or that girls are in a hurry, and at times quite the opposite.[/QUOTE]Yes, that is the way it should be.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1363759]Silicone tits are a turn off for me. I always prefer girls with natural 'A' and 'B' cups. There is one Baccara girl I have known for 3. 5 years. When I first met her she had beautiful small natural Thai mounds. She is a very sweet girl. I had great sex with her. A couple of years ago she made a capital investment in her infrastructure with silicone breasts. With her top on they look good. Not too big, they just give her a fuller upper body look. With her top off it is not so good. Her breasts look like round baseballs. She is still the same charming girl I always knew.[/QUOTE]Could be the same girl I know LOL. I furst took a sweet small tits very cute girl when went there with two senior members maybe 3 years back. Another senior member showed up there too. Later she put the silicones on just like you describe, almost like baseballs. Name escapes me right now but it should be in the monger phone I guess or my back reports. I think it was Gung (Goong).

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1363750]Well the girls upstairs go completely nude these days.[/QUOTE]I thought a lot had too much Bush, and mostly they were the ugly / ordinary ones, or a bit overweight. At Baccarat I definitely thought the lookers were all down stairs.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1363759]Silicone tits are a turn off for me. I always prefer girls with natural 'A' and 'B' cups.[/QUOTE]Yeah, once they get silicone I never go near them again. Bo and Bam from Mango ruined themselves in my opinion.

An ex of mine who would become a Baccara girl later got a nose job about 2 years ago. Destroyed her looks. She's now cleaning her friends apartment for a living apparently.

[QUOTE=Pita123; 1364019]Yeah, once they get silicone I never go near them again. Bo and Bam from Mango ruined themselves in my opinion.

An ex of mine who would become a Baccara girl later got a nose job about 2 years ago. Destroyed her looks. She's now cleaning her friends apartment for a living apparently.[/QUOTE]Any idea where Bam went to after leaving Mango? Always a nice attitude from her.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1363928]I thought a lot had too much Bush, and mostly they were the ugly / ordinary ones, or a bit overweight. At Baccarat I definitely thought the lookers were all down stairs.[/QUOTE]You're right, the upstairs girls are (in my opinion) at best 6/10. And many are tattoed, fake Silicon boobs. I was there last time (upstairs) and I must say: I would have never paid for any of these girls.

Downstairs quality is better

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1363701]Yes I understand. I am a very boring dude. I don't like surprises at all, especially if its a bomb site or a dick. I like to check the waist, crotch and bottom in detail before choosing something that gets a rise in my pants. I haven't got time for taking a chance.

Sometimes seeing a girl in bikini is quite good enough to be very convincing like my Annies model. I don't really like girls in frilly skirts though. Just bikini bottom would be better.

I do appreciate some guys like the surprise of the unwrapping.[/QUOTE]Don't get me wrong. It's not about boredom at all. I just prefer streetwalkers for various reasons, including the fact that they are usually at least 2. 5 to 3 times cheaper than your fully nude types.

The particular streetwalkers I have chosen are chosen because of what I see of the package before it is fully opened. I already like it when I first see it out on the street. The fact that often the fully nude version of the girl is even more outstanding is just an added bonus or surprise.

The streetwalkers (SWs) are often of the same quality as hot MP or gogo girls, though with slight flaws that might exclude them from those venues, if they were totally naked. Picking up SWs is often, therefore, a case of getting brand name quality at no name prices, like 50 to 80 percent off.

Once you open the package & find a gem, you can get that discount price everytime you rent the same item. And after the first time you already know what is in the package. It's only a phone call away.

It's much easier to check out a SW's bottom as she walks about than one sitting in a bar. I can usually tell if it appeals to me with the clothes on. Crotch & waist mean little if anything compared to what Jude Law called in the movie FBB, face, boobs and butt. I'd also add hair style & colour, arms & legs, all of which are generally apparent in SWs.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1363766]Sorry but that girl cannot be considered hot. That nose just kills her other fine features. Now I get why you find streetwalkers kinda hot.

Another rain. 4 girl did the deed. A girl alreday with size see cups went bigger. OMG they look awful!

You can't blame her though I've never seen her get a barfine. I wonder where she got the money? Maybe she is like the good dr making great $$$$$$$s its just that I never see it. LOL.[/QUOTE]Beyond your sentence about streetwalkers (SWs) I have little idea what you are talking about. You seem to be "mow mak mak".

The nose is big, but that's quite common in non white Thai P4P girls in the farang market. Have you never been to Thailand?

With my bare condomless dick pounding her pussy and tongue deep inside her mouth, I guarantee you I wouldn't be seeing her nose let alone worried about its size.

BTW recently several comments here have spoken of how disgusted they are with TGs who got nose jobs.

Is she hot? That depends on your definition of the word. She's definitely attractive, young & pretty & I'd rate her 7 out of a possible perfect 10.

Tough there are quite a few streetwalker (SW's) stunners I'd rate at from 8 to 10 that have made up my harem over the years.

Perhaps some of the following are more to your taste.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTJZ4HUol2E[/url]

Hey guys,

I will touch down at BKK next week at 1230am, but will only be able to check in the hotel in the afternoon.

Lets say I get a streetwalker, is it possible to get a last minute hotel with her? And what are the rates per night or short time for a room?

Thanks folks. Staying at my hotel lobby for 12 hours++ would be really lame.

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;1364023]Any idea where Bam went to after leaving Mango? Always a nice attitude from her.[/QUOTE]No clue. I lost all interest once she got the implants.

had some time before a work dinner today and decided to take a walk over to som's haven or whatever the bj bar in the subsoi off of soi 14 is called.

to get to the place you walk past this restaurant suda and a massage place that i think used to be nice girls. anyway, the place is the only lit up sign in that end of the soi so i would say the entrance isn't really discreet.

when i arrived there was a woman sitting outside and another standing just beyond the shop on the phone. i went inside and there was a thai guy about to come out. he turned around and went back to the desk. i was followed by the woman that was sitting outside while another woman headed out. so all in all there were 3 available girls. luckily the only one that was cute had followed me in. they guided me to sit on the sofa but i was just as happy on the barstool as i didn't have time. they offered a drink and i declined as i needed to get back to the hotel in 25 mins to change for dinner.

i was asked if i had been there before and i told the i had not. they brought out a laminated menu of what was on offer. hj, bj, body2body, etc. i opted for the bj and upstairs we went. the room was larger and nicer than i recall at dr. bj. the girl cleaned me up and went to work. i started to work my way into her shirt and she stood up and took her shirt and bra off very nice a cups. as she was working she made eye contact pretty often. great eyes. she did a good job and i was pretty happy with both the room, the girl and the demeanor of the thai cashier.

so when i recall my experiences at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url], dr. bj, sol and som's, i'd choose som's over the others.

[QUOTE=Pita123;1364188]I opted for the BJ and upstairs we went.[/QUOTE]How about you tell us how much you've paid for the BJ service. Thanks in advance

with only 2-3 weeks left til my bkk trip i've started gathering info on bj bars and massage parlours, and their locations. any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. i am not interested in gogo bars or night clubs, just "enter, pick girl, have fun, pay, leave"-establishments. so far i've gathered these:

1. drbj's salon, budget bangers, nuru massage.

2. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url].

3. annies massage.

4. darling massage.

5. eden club.

anything else in the area i have missed?

[QUOTE=Zauberfee;1364210]How about you tell us how much you've paid for the BJ service. Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]Great report from Pita123. I posted a price list before about Soms place. BJ is 700B, no silly prices like other places.

Like Pita123 said the rooms are the business, big and very clean with showers. None of the cold water on your knob nonsense.

Just to point out, I have NO business interest in ANY oral establishments. Some I frequent regularly as the service is tops and some I just point blank refuse due to bad customer service, very bad management and very ugly girls.

[QUOTE=Zauberfee;1364210]How about you tell us how much you've paid for the BJ service. Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]700 thai baht.

[QUOTE=Pita123;1364188]Had some time before a work dinner today and decided to take a walk over to Som's Haven or whatever the BJ bar in the subsoi off of Soi 14 is called.[/QUOTE]I think it is called "Lollipop"?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1364350]I think it is called "Lollipop"?[/QUOTE]It isn't. Lollipop is soi 10

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1364383]It isn't. Lollipop is soi 10[/QUOTE]Yeah, you are right. Maybe I need to go check that one out too just to make sure I've done a thorough assessment of the options.

[QUOTE=Deakyo;1364224]Anything else in the area I have missed?[/QUOTE]If that's a BJ you're looking for, I suggest heading over to PatpongII and go into SOL (Star of Light). Best BJ's I have had were there. It's a seedy place though.

[QUOTE=Pita123;1364386]Yeah, you are right. Maybe I need to go check that one out too just to make sure I've done a thorough assessment of the options.[/QUOTE]For what it's worth, you missed up on the sleaziest bar of all: WILD COUNTRY. Now that was some of the weirdest shit happening in there. RIP.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1364387]If that's a BJ you're looking for, I suggest heading over to PatpongII and go into SOL (Star of Light). Best BJ's I have had were there. It's a seedy place though.[/QUOTE]Been there already.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1364389]For what it's worth, you missed up on the sleaziest bar of all: WILD COUNTRY. Now that was some of the weirdest shit happening in there. RIP.[/QUOTE]Yes, but too late. No point in crying over spilled cum.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1364124]Farangs don't go for BIG schnoozola girls. LOL.

Theres 1 at Rainbow 4, realy good face but nose just overpowers everything, also small tits, but to her credit she does get barfined!

Baccara does have a loyal crowd I see. I can't see it though. Rain 4 way better![/QUOTE]Do most girls at RB 4 do BBBJ? I heard its better to ask beforehand, but that might kill the "mood" LOL

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1364400]Do most girls at RB 4 do BBBJ? I heard its better to ask beforehand, but that might kill the "mood" LOL[/QUOTE]We took a survey last night and it turned out that 74. 3% did BBBJ but only 37. 6% did BBBJCIM. The margin of error is 45.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1364250]Just so guys don't get too excited here. LOL.

What you find on the mean streets of Bangkok are not equivalent to top mp girls or top gogo girls with slight flawsat2 to 3 times lower prices.

They are cheap for a reason. And they usually not good ones. LOL.[/QUOTE]Likewise the top girls working the streets are probably far superior to a random Gogo or MP girl.

Hot streetwalkers going for less than other sex workers creates the possibility to get a larger number of customers and make more money than venue sex workers.

They may prefer to work independently rather than in the environment or under the many rules of a MP or Gogo, etc.

Similarly some of their customers may prefer not to pick up girls in an environment of deafening music, cigarette smoke and drunken fools.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1364383]It isn't. Lollipop is soi 10[/QUOTE]Ah yes quite right. I din't know Som set up yet another one. Its hard to even think where Soi 14 is. I had to look on the Map.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1364383]It isn't. Lollipop is soi 10[/QUOTE]I saw the girls working there. I was meeting someone at the nearby Insomnia and ventured over to 7-11 to buy some gum and the Lolipop girls were standing on the corner soliciting customers. A few girls and mamasan asked if I want blowjob so I investigated further. Afterall, its not everyday a gaggle of girls ask if you want a blowjob hehe.

All of them were absolute bottom of the barrel in the looks department! So bad I asked if the toothless mamasan if she also offered BJ LOL

So did she?

I've noticed lately that the forum is making me login every few minutes. I will read a few posts and want to post something and it will make me login again. Also I noticed that the photo gallery only shows 10-15 pages now where before it showed them since the beginning. Have I missed some changed with the forum?

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I second that Frenchy. I got a BJ in the back storeroom at Wild Country while the girl say on a case of Heinekin! SOL-it is as seedy as it comes. I have had every one of those girls bent over that sink in the bathroom. I would never ever sit on that blue chair though.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1364387]If that's a BJ you're looking for, I suggest heading over to PatpongII and go into SOL (Star of Light). Best BJ's I have had were there. It's a seedy place though.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1364426]All of them were absolute bottom of the barrel in the looks department! So bad I asked if the toothless mamasan if she also offered BJ LOL[/QUOTE]That's an interesting post. And I remember a few years back a discussion about "Classes within the P4P girls", you know, like the Coyotes look down on the Bargirls and the Bargirls look down on Streetwalkers. There is a clear hierarchy between these girls as some of them don't even consider themselves to be prostitutes and make fun of other girls doing it.

I think the hierarchy may go like this (but I can be wrong) :

- Coyote girls / G Club girls.

- Freelance ladies from Hotel bars or after hours clubs, Open minded Waitresses.

- Hi-class Massage Soapies.

- Soapies in General.

- Oilies.

- Bargirls.

- BJ Bars.

- Streetwalkers.

Any other opinions on this?

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1364474]1000 barfineatrainbow on Christmas eve didn't seem to deter anyone from barfining. Why? I don't get it. But bf back to 600 on Christmas Day.

BKK rocks![/QUOTE]No wonder. People working in the festivities wants to be paid more for the effort of entertaining other people. People enjoying the festivities knows that there is a higher price to be paid. Thai people do not celebrate Christmas but take advantage of the economics around it. Can't blame them, that is what we do too. When the supply and demand principle applies to the trader it is immediately enforced. Can't see the same happening when it applies in favour of the customer. Most of traders prefer not to do business rather than decreasing their prices below a minimum.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1364679] (...)

I think the hierarchy may go like this (but I can be wrong) :

- Coyote girls / G Club girls.

- Freelance ladies from Hotel bars or after hours clubs, Open minded Waitresses.

- Hi-class Massage Soapies.

- Soapies in General.

- Oilies.

- Bargirls.

- BJ Bars.

- Streetwalkers.

Any other opinions on this?[/QUOTE]Where do you put agogo club dancers?

I always thought they considered themselves above massage girls as they can refuse their services and set their own prices.

Hello everyone. I just landed in BKK this afternoon. I'd love to meet fellow members if anyone's interested.

I'm 28. I'm staying in Sukhumvit.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1364663]We hear reports of baccara girls giving 2-4 hour short times to favorite customers. LOL. Lets take it that this is true.

I've noticed recently rainbow girls specializing in the 30-32 minute short-time. I walk in I see girl walk out with man- not much time goes by I see girl back on stage. This really troubles me as I'm hesitant to barfine again. LOL. In 6 months I've barfined once and the girl was ok, but in the back of my mind I know they want get back to bar. FAST![/QUOTE]And that is exactly what I find most unacceptable when you look at the cost. Added all up, drinks, BF, money to the gal, ST hotel room, at least 3000 baht, and that is on the cheap side. Easily could be 4k. Now if that included a 2 hr multi-shot ST with great service, hey, could be worth it. But for a 15 min wham bam; A complete rip off.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1364707]Where do you put agogo club dancers?

I always thought they considered themselves above massage girls as they can refuse their services and set their own prices.[/QUOTE]I included those in the Coyote girls. Or are they different?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1364726]I included those in the Coyote girls. Or are they different?[/QUOTE]Ah, I see. I thought Coyote Girls were just there to sit and drink with you but do not offer sex or go with you outside the club.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1364724]And that is exactly what I find most unacceptable when you look at the cost. Added all up, drinks, BF, money to the gal, ST hotel room, at least 3000 baht, and that is on the cheap side. Easily could be 4k. Now if that included a 2 hr multi-shot ST with great service, hey, could be worth it. But for a 15 min wham bam; A complete rip off.[/QUOTE]MPs increasingly gather in the punters. Total cost reliably calculateable, level of service reasonably as expected, and at least you can complain.

[quote=nicfrenchy;1364383]it isn't. lollipop is soi 10[/quote][quote=pita123;1364386]yeah, you are right. maybe i need to go check that one out too just to make sure i've done a thorough assessment of the options.[/quote]so i stopped by lollipop today. about 15 girls sitting outside in some sort of christmas garb. a woman gets the nod from the group to greet me and escort me inside. she asks me if i want a drink."nope" would you like to go upstairs?"yep" ok with me?"yep" she wasn't a looker but none of them were so i just went with the flow. upstairs is dark with music. reminds me of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s with the couches and curtains. there was one customer out front having a drink, one in the lobby making out with a chick, and just me upstairs. anyway, she took me to a more private room and went to get her kit. she came back and asked me to undress. before getting on her knees she was adjusting her bra. i did some adjusting and suggested she take it off. she said she was lazy, so i helped her. really great tits. i could spend a whole day having fun with those b cups. the bj was not bad. afterward i was still horny so started to suck her tits some more. then i started to masturbate her over her shorts. after a while she lost some control then more and eventually it seems that she came. now i'm even more horny so took things into my own hands while she danced around a bit.

700 baht and i gaver her 100 baht because i'm jai dee.

so the facilities are much better at the brand knew som's haven on soi 14, but a wider selection at lollipop. of course as with all of these bj bars, they ain't lookers. name was neung.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1364679]Any other opinions on this?[/QUOTE]Well, I think that perhaps you missed some nuances.

- Wives.

- Girlfriends.

- Booth dollies / Car Show models.

- Thai G-Club Coyotes.

- Thai G-Club PR girls.

- Falang Bar Coyote girls.

- Plain massage chicks.

- Freelance ladies from Hotel bars or after hours clubs, Open minded Waitresses.

- Hi-class Massage Soapies.

- Soapies in General.

- Oilies.

- Go-go Bargirls.

- Beerbar girls

- BJ Bars.

- Streetwalkers.

Surely I'm forgetting some and surely someone will think my order is off a bit.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1364679]I think the hierarchy may go like this (but I can be wrong) :

- Coyote girls / G Club girls.

- Freelance ladies from Hotel bars or after hours clubs, Open minded Waitresses.

- Hi-class Massage Soapies.

- Soapies in General.

- Oilies.

- Bargirls.

- BJ Bars.

- Streetwalkers.

Any other opinions on this?[/QUOTE]Interesting order. From one point of view (and there definitely are others) , a bargirl could be considered higher class than an MP girl of any type, because she can make herself scarce if she doesn't like the customer, and essentially has the option of not going with him. Even if he insists on barfining her, she is not forced actually go to a room and fuck him. So bargirls have more say in who their customers are than MP girls. The very best bargirls will have multiple possible customers at times, and they can try to choose the guy.

I once experienced a gogo girl who was wanted by several customers, all requesting her at the same time essentially, but after she danced she just disappeared out the back, refusing to come out to sit with any of the customers. She was a stunner with super body.

MP girls may be able to refuse to see a customer a 2nd time, by saying he refused to pay last time or wanted BB or whatever, but it is difficult for them to get out of a customer, and they may get fired, if they refuse more than very occasionally.

On the other hand girls who don't like drinking, being pawed by potential customers, etc, may prefer to work in an MP, and also may make more money if they are very popular.

Freelance bargirls would be a class higher than other bargirls, as they get no salary and only show up to work when they feel like it. The owners usually don't like to have many of these girls, but may accept if they bring good business to the bar.

Obviously, despite this logic, some bargirls act extremely low-class. We all have seen some real shockers. Also bargirls are much more likely to be: addicted to Ice, drunks, gamblers, etc.

[QUOTE=Showdown; 1364478]I've noticed lately that the forum is making me login every few minutes. I will read a few posts and want to post something and it will make me login again. Also I noticed that the photo gallery only shows 10-15 pages now where before it showed them since the beginning. Have I missed some changed with the forum?

Showdown[/QUOTE]Your logon is not retained long, if you are not a paid up member. Certain activities require being logged on. Don't know if this is relevant to you.

It is also known that post links are very fouled up right now, since quite recently, for at least many users.

To all those lost souls who are without family but alone in some MP, Oily or Go-go bar sucking on a cold one, my warmest wishes for the holidays and a Happy 2013. Peace be with you all! :D

Coming back to BKK after just a half year, I must say I am I disappointed with the changes in the gogo-bar scene in just this short time. The shows are less good and the girls are less interested in barfine. On Soi Cowboy I go to my old favourite place, Suzie Wong. But the line-up has all changed. Sheba's next door is better these days, no show when I was there, but the girls seemed more approchable. Cactus is still good, nothing like belgian beer and naked girls! Recommended! At Five Stars (a live music bar) I am approached by this pretty girl, a bit drunk, but still nice. And for 1500 ST I go with her. We walk back to my hotel, then something strange happens. She "kidnaps" a baby from a woman that is sitting begging on Sukhumvit! The mother comes running and want the baby back, but the baby is just laughing. Well, eventually the baby is returned and we continue to my hotel. Finally there, I discover that the girl is more drunk than I thought before. I should have noticed that before! Anyway we get showered and undressed and she goes onto a clumsy BBBJ (teeth!) The FS isn't so good either, so I am happy to let her leave after short time.

Another evening I go to Nana Plaza, I look around on some of the newer bars. The one bar that seems best for bf these days is Erotica on the third floor. Pretty girls and they are all interested in getting barfined. Fun talking to them too. I go there twice and buy LDs for two different girls. But I don't go with any. I feel that it's just not worth it. The high Bangkok prices: 700 bf + 2000 ST (they have beds upstairs) or 4000 LT is just to much when you just doesn't know what to expect. There is a high chance that the experience in bed is not so good as the outer apperance of the girl. That's my experience anyway. I got those vibes that it would not be so good. But anybody has a good experience barfining a girl from this place?

[QUOTE=John Traveller; 1364875]Coming back to BKK after just a half year, I must say I am I disappointed with the changes in the gogo-bar scene in just this short time. The shows are less good and the girls are less interested in barfine. On Soi Cowboy I go to my old favourite place, Suzie Wong. But the line-up has all changed. Sheba's next door is better these days, no show when I was there, but the girls seemed more approchable. Cactus is still good, nothing like belgian beer and naked girls! Recommended! At Five Stars (a live music bar) I am approached by this pretty girl, a bit drunk, but still nice. And for 1500 ST I go with her. We walk back to my hotel, then something strange happens. She "kidnaps" a baby from a woman that is sitting begging on Sukhumvit! The mother comes running and want the baby back, but the baby is just laughing. Well, eventually the baby is returned and we continue to my hotel. Finally there, I discover that the girl is more drunk than I thought before. I should have noticed that before! Anyway we get showered and undressed and she goes onto a clumsy BBBJ (teeth!) The FS isn't so good either, so I am happy to let her leave after short time.

Another evening I go to Nana Plaza, I look around on some of the newer bars. The one bar that seems best for bf these days is Erotica on the third floor. Pretty girls and they are all interested in getting barfined. Fun talking to them too. I go there twice and buy LDs for two different girls. But I don't go with any. I feel that it's just not worth it. The high Bangkok prices: 700 bf + 2000 ST (they have beds upstairs) or 4000 LT is just to much when you just doesn't know what to expect. There is a high chance that the experience in bed is not so good as the outer apperance of the girl. That's my experience anyway. I got those vibes that it would not be so good. But anybody has a good experience barfining a girl from this place?[/QUOTE]Good report and another good example why the Gogo's are for novices and the unadventurous.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1364474]The best advice anyone could give a newcummer to BKK. Stay in the nana-asok area. It just makes everything so ez and quick!

3000 for 2hoursatdr nurunuru. What a bargain.

1000 barfineatrainbow on Christmas eve didn't seem to deter anyone from barfining. Why? I don't get it. But bf back to 600 on Christmas day.

The absolut concert seriesatsiam finally had an audience. LOL. Imagine being a thai superstar singing to 5 people, which is what I saw for quite a few days.

BKK rocks![/QUOTE]I fully agree with Harold's. I stayed near nana area last week and had a blast. On Soi 5 or 7 (can't remember exactly, but it's the Soi near the traffic lights) , as you enter there is a girlie bar called Morning Evening. That's TE place you may sit for a while especially facing the road. You may either pick one from the bar itself or check the gay walkers on the street and make your choice. After 2 or 3 am, you will find plenty on the street as the bars close around that time.

Is there such a thing there. If so where in soi cowboy or NEP?

[QUOTE=Nclpimp;1364932]Is there such a thing there. If so where in soi cowboy or NEP?[/QUOTE]Every hour is happy in NEP and Cowboy! Seriously.

[QUOTE=Nclpimp;1364932]Is there such a thing there. If so where in soi cowboy or NEP?[/QUOTE]Isn't it happy hour all day when you can happily spend your money.

[QUOTE=John Traveller; 1364875]Coming back to BKK after just a half year, I must say I am I disappointed with the changes in the gogo-bar scene in just this short time. The shows are less good and the girls are less interested in barfine. On Soi Cowboy I go to my old favourite place, Suzie Wong. But the line-up has all changed. Sheba's next door is better these days, no show when I was there, but the girls seemed more approchable. Cactus is still good, nothing like belgian beer and naked girls! Recommended! At Five Stars (a live music bar) I am approached by this pretty girl, a bit drunk, but still nice. And for 1500 ST I go with her. We walk back to my hotel, then something strange happens. She "kidnaps" a baby from a woman that is sitting begging on Sukhumvit! The mother comes running and want the baby back, but the baby is just laughing. Well, eventually the baby is returned and we continue to my hotel. Finally there, I discover that the girl is more drunk than I thought before. I should have noticed that before! Anyway we get showered and undressed and she goes onto a clumsy BBBJ (teeth!) The FS isn't so good either, so I am happy to let her leave after short time.

Another evening I go to Nana Plaza, I look around on some of the newer bars. The one bar that seems best for bf these days is Erotica on the third floor. Pretty girls and they are all interested in getting barfined. Fun talking to them too. I go there twice and buy LDs for two different girls. But I don't go with any. I feel that it's just not worth it. The high Bangkok prices: 700 bf + 2000 ST (they have beds upstairs) or 4000 LT is just to much when you just doesn't know what to expect. There is a high chance that the experience in bed is not so good as the outer apperance of the girl. That's my experience anyway. I got those vibes that it would not be so good. But anybody has a good experience barfining a girl from this place?[/QUOTE]JT,

You are making some very valid points.

I am not a fan of Bars at all and I see Bargirls as small little spoiled brats (yeah, call me crazy). Upon discovering that the girl is drunk, can't one send her back to the bar and get the Barfine back?

I guess bars are full of guys with more money than brain these days.

You know, I was always wondering, how do people prepare for a trip to Bangkok? 10 years ago I would agree it was difficult to find info but now? With the internet? Are people really that stupid as to not do a little research before coming whoring in Thailand?

When I went to HK I did my research and found a few providers at prices I liked, I read reviews of where to go and what to do. OK, business got me away from doing those things but visiting a country where one knows he will monger, preliminary research is essential.

Even the Jappos do it (to some extent) with their RakuRaku magasines, websites, GDiary. Thais have their websites and discussion boards about Massage. Why can't some people research properly and end up in Bangkok paying 10k for a night at Spassos just because they did not know better?

The girls are not driving up the prices: WE ARE, by agreeing to pay them.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1364958]JT,

You are making some very valid points.

I am not a fan of Bars at all and I see Bargirls as small little spoiled brats (yeah, call me crazy). Upon discovering that the girl is drunk, can't one send her back to the bar and get the Barfine back?

I guess bars are full of guys with more money than brain these days.

You know, I was always wondering, how do people prepare for a trip to Bangkok? 10 years ago I would agree it was difficult to find info but now? With the internet? Are people really that stupid as to not do a little research before coming whoring in Thailand?

When I went to HK I did my research and found a few providers at prices I liked, I read reviews of where to go and what to do. OK, business got me away from doing those things but visiting a country where one knows he will monger, preliminary research is essential.

Even the Jappos do it (to some extent) with their RakuRaku magasines, websites, GDiary. Thais have their websites and discussion boards about Massage. Why can't some people research properly and end up in Bangkok paying 10k for a night at Spassos just because they did not know better?

The girls are not driving up the prices: WE ARE, by agreeing to pay them.[/QUOTE]So well stated. Agree with 100 percent of what you wrote.

[QUOTE=Bguy63;1364925]I fully agree with Harold's. I stayed near nana area last week and had a blast. On Soi 5 or 7 (can't remember exactly, but it's the Soi near the traffic lights) , as you enter there is a girlie bar called Morning Evening. That's TE place you may sit for a while especially facing the road. You may either pick one from the bar itself or check the gay walkers on the street and make your choice. After 2 or 3 am, you will find plenty on the street as the bars close around that time.[/QUOTE]"Morning Night" Soi 4.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1364958]I am not a fan of Bars at all and I see Bargirls as small little spoiled brats (yeah, call me crazy). Upon discovering that the girl is drunk, can't one send her back to the bar and get the Barfine back?[/QUOTE]Yes they are spoiled brats. Don't want to do Anal, nor CIM, and don't want to follow your orders.

The main benefit of BGs used to be LT so you can have a round as soon as you wake up, but LT is getting harder to come by.

Slightly drunk girls are okay but badly drunk, no. Send her back if drunk? That sounds silly. You should know very well if she is too drunk before BFing her.

I find bars can still provide good girls for me, but only use occassionally, as long as girl is in no hurry, and I have no time limit. I mainly take two at a time (sometimes even 3) , and mainly girls that I know already that are a lot of fun.

The biggest advantage of bars, is having a very large amount of time to choose girls very carefully, getting a face, body and personality that suits. No surprises. If unsure, then pass. The exception is super hot girls that must be BFed very quickly to beat the other guys. These are often known to be good girls already.

There is no doubt that bar girls vary tremendously. Favourite bar girls can be a lot of fun, but probably not comparible to Tulip, Mango, SW of course for PSE requirements.

I know people who don't care to read or research. They are just flat out lazy. They go to their destination, not knowing any better, and pay more than they have to. They just don't care.

Some people have the desire to do research for their holiday destination and many more don't. This ratio is no better today than it was 10-20 or 50 years ago. This ratio will never change.

Just because the internet is there that won't make the lazy any less lazy. The same personalities will overpay and the same personalities will do their research and only pay rock bottom. As before, again, this ratio will never change.

Those who constantly complain about prices going up are those who are aging and have the history to compare the difference. Chalk it up to inflation and changing market conditions. Those who complain are just getting old and are looking for someone else to blame the prices on.

Bottom line is the prices, like water, seeks its own level with respect to the ever changing world conditions and people bring this with them and display it via their own wallets. It has got nothing to do with other travelers because their mentalities, again, have not changed in recent generations. This is just the way it is. Free market conditions, nothing more.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1364958]JT,

I guess bars are full of guys with more money than brain these days.

You know, I was always wondering, how do people prepare for a trip to Bangkok? 10 years ago I would agree it was difficult to find info but now? With the internet? Are people really that stupid as to not do a little research before coming whoring in Thailand?

The girls are not driving up the prices: WE ARE, by agreeing to pay them.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1364958]The girls are not driving up the prices: WE ARE, by agreeing to pay them.[/QUOTE]Come on Nic, they don't want to ruin the mood!

[QUOTE=Ehunter;1365007]Just because the internet is there that won't make the lazy any less lazy. The same personalities will overpay and the same personalities will do their research and only pay rock bottom. As before, again, this ratio will never change.[/QUOTE]For those that really want to pay rock bottom, what are they doing in Bangkok? Isn't Bangkok considered to be over-priced?

What about Pattaya and Phnom Penh?

Some people want some quality and value for money rather than rock bottom. They don't stay in rock bottom Hotels, don't eat in rock bottom restaurants, and don't want rock bottom girls. When buying a phone, computer, whatever, they are looking for certain features, and will take it, as long is not outside their budget. As a I want a quality computer that never breaks down with faults. Its not the rock bottom brand, its not the exorbitant brand. Its value for money. When I go to the supermarket, I buy what I want to eat, not what ever has the best bargain price.

I have no interest in rock bottom whatsoever, so I am obviously in the "overpay" camp (actually mid range). However, I hate wasting a lot of time on hunting for the lowest price, or wasting time on very average girls. I don't want to save 500 Baht by choosing a much plainer looking girl. A fair price is quite adequate for me. At MPs the price is set but I control any extra tip. I don't take the top price category models at Soapies, because they don't look that superior to the mid range girls. Most bar girls don't even negotiate a price with me, so I have complete control deciding what I think it was worth. I must be fair, as they keep coming back.

I'll always try to avoid wasting my time on rock bottom girls. I want quality, and value for money where possible. 2 hours with my favourite Annies model. That is great value for money to me. My favourite girls at other soapies (just two) are slightly dearer, but quality. I located them myself, with no help from the internet.

As to research, mostly you have to do your own research when there is time available. Surfing the internet is not adequate. It's the lazy way.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1365043]...Some people want some quality and value for money rather than rock bottom. They don't stay in rock bottom Hotels, don't eat in rock bottom restaurants, and don't want rock bottom girls...[/QUOTE]You are completely right, but when I spend more on a computer or a hotel I can see the difference. With girls that is not always the case.
If too many pay too much for something it is called inflation.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1365043]I have no interest in rock bottom whatsoever, so I am obviously in the "overpay" camp (actually mid range). However, I hate wasting a lot of time on hunting for the lowest price, or wasting time on very average girls. I don't want to save 500 Baht by choosing a much plainer looking girl. A fair price is quite adequate for me. At MPs the price is set but I control any extra tip. I don't take the top price category models at Soapies, because they don't look that superior to the mid range girls. Most bar girls don't even negotiate a price with me, so I have complete control deciding what I think it was worth. I must be fair, as they keep coming back.[/QUOTE]It's not about Rock Bottom or Overpaying, it's about the trend or message that you are sending. Just like the other bloke that paid the girl 1, 000 extra to lick her pussy.

If all cute girls were offering 4k LT and no one was buying, then they would have to consider dropping. The issue is that there are a lot of guys agreeing to pay inflated prices.

I have money, I cannot complain about that, but the idea of paying 4k LT is a no-no for me, why should I? I am not a Pigeon.

As for your reference to MPs, well, some MPs are cheating customers: they put a Farang surcharge and all the Bozos accept to pay with a smile.

Farang surcharge is not about Dick size since most women can take a big size cock without any problem. It's about the business trying to make an extra 500 on the back of the white buffalo who doesn't know better (or he knows but still pays) : La Belle, Utopia. All have surcharges. That's why I stick to Annies and Nataree which do not discriminate by color.

But I understand, everyone is going to back their way, it's an ego defense.

When I go to bars, I pay 1, 5k for ST and max 3k LT. Girls already made money with the Barfine and the drinks.

[QUOTE=Tiger 888; 1365046]You are completely right, but when I spend more on a computer or a hotel I can see the difference. With girls that is not always the case.

If too many pay too much for something it is called inflation.[/QUOTE]I want to see the difference, the face, the figure, and still experience a great time with a girl willing to have fun. If she is ugly, or even ordinary, I don't bother. Having had a GF with superior looks, its hard to drop down to a lower level.

Yes, I agree a stunning starfish, is a massive disappointment, I have experienced, but not many recently. I do recall a La Belle girl. 3 months back, who stiffened up once it got to the sex part. Fortunately was not wasting a fortune. Then there was a pretty girl disaster at Pink. Its quite a long time since I had a pathetic Bargirl (not experienced at all) out of Tilac, wasn't exactly stunning either, and one somewhat boring stunner out of Rainbow 4. Learning from the mistakes is important and you change your choosing procedures. You really watch for the chemistry. Not many girls are good at putting on a fake chemistry act. It just comes accross fake.

I really do tend to trust bargirls that allow me to decide the payment afterwards. They are usually great performers. My big problem in MPs is it is more of a punt if nothing is known about the girl. No time to evaluate the chemistry.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1365052]I really do tend to trust bargirls that allow me to decide the payment afterwards. They are usually great performers. My big problem in MPs is it is more of a punt if nothing is known about the girl. No time to evaluate the chemistry.[/QUOTE]Really? I always thought that at Soapies you could motion the girl and buy her a drink before deciding to take her or not? Maybe I was mistaken

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1365056]Really? I always thought that at Soapies you could motion the girl and buy her a drink before deciding to take her or not? Maybe I was mistaken[/QUOTE]Sure, sometimes, if time permits, however it doesn't work as well as at bars where there is no need to decide very quickly.

At bars you can play up more. E. G. Can sneak a kiss or more from girl. Bargirls do not need to act demurely. At soapies it is not so noisy so chat seems less private and girls will tend to behave demurely.

Sometimes a soapy girl seems fantastic right up till the sex part, when she suddenly gets scared and tense, or the dreaded sponge is encountered, and it all becomes difficult. So chemistry checking is not foolproof. Only a low percentage of Soapy girls are outstanding enough to make the favourites list and therefore I have very few. I probably have a much greater repeat rate with bargirls, and even with Oily girls. I therefore understand well why difficult guys don't like soapies much at all, especially if a bath with the girl iis considered time wasting.

Don't have that option to spend time with girl first much at Oilies. There maybe exceptions.

Not long ago went to Tharn Thong, north of Meng Jai intersection, Huai Khwang. It seems to be a cross between an Oily and a Soapy. Oil type massage and Ancient massage available but like a soapy setup with fish bowl and soapy type of rooms. Could call the girl for a drink I guess, but I didn't this time. Soapy bath possible although it wasn't that large. Not many Farangs go there, and when they do they usually skip the massage as have limited time away from "she who must be obeyed". Girls generally do not speak English at all, I guess.

My girl did only ancient massage (she did not know oil massage) so we kept the massage part very short indeed. Others were Oil massage specialists.

In these types of establishments, girls are less often shaven. Certainly no pornstars but BBBJ was adequately good. Did not find a favorite special girl there yet. Its a bit off the beaten mongering track. Used MRT and motorcycle.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1365043]For those that really want to pay rock bottom, what are they doing in Bangkok? Isn't Bangkok considered to be over-priced?

What about Pattaya and Phnom Penh?[/QUOTE]I read on another forum, this clown in Sihanoukville is paying $10-$25 for meth-addicted Cambodian freelancers. And anything north of $30 it's overpaying. I have no idea if they're any good looking, but I'd have to guess the answer would be no LOL

Bangkok prices are getting very high. For example, a BJ bar in Bangkok will run you about $23. A BJ bar in Tokyo, by most accounts the most expensive city in the world, will also run you about $23. And you get sucked by two girls separately, with two pops if you can manage it.

Pattaya BR girls are $17 ST. Bar girls can be had for $30 LT if you do it right.

In my experience, Cambodia is ABSOLUTELY NOT the place to go for cheap tail, unless you're up for crack addict street walkers, which you can get at home.

Central America, South America and the Caribbean still has lots of cheap ST action in the right spots at $6. $16.

ST action in the Philippines is $17. Prices for LT are even getting a little high there.

If you're into BJ's, Ho Chi Minh City has a bunch of Hot Tocs where some very hot early 20's chicks will give you BBBJCIM for $11.

There's also cheap stuff available in China and parts of Africa, but you have to know where to look.

And then there are guys that prefer a quality fuck (whatever that might mean for anyone) over a cheap fuck

I like it all. Cheap fucks have their times. Sometimes they can also be quality. Expensive fucks aren't necessarily quality. Many times they're not.

In an ideal scenario I have a cheap fuck or suck once a day, followed by a reasonably priced performance that leaves us both happy.

Everyone has their likes and dislikes. My only problems come from hyperinflation (when prices go up 100-200% in a very short amount of time) and totally abstract pricing (for example Phnom Penh, in one of the world's poorest countries, with much more supply than demand, with bar girls asking 50, 75, 100 for a night). I also hate it when I fly half way around the world to find Western style bullshit (like paying for lapdances in Thailand).

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1365159]Bangkok prices are getting very high. For example, a BJ bar in Bangkok will run you about $23. A BJ bar in Tokyo, by most accounts the most expensive city in the world, will also run you about $23. And you get sucked by two girls separately, with two pops if you can manage it.[/QUOTE]In Bangkok, you can get FS for $9. 80 if you know where to look (it's been reviewed here before). And in my opinion, $23 is chump change unless you're on a budget. But I think most tourists coming here don't mind the $23. The expats may, especially if they're English teachers struggling to make a living.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1365051]It's not about Rock Bottom or Overpaying, it's about the trend or message that you are sending. Just like the other bloke that paid the girl 1, 000 extra to lick her pussy.[/QUOTE]Yea but Nic you are complaining about something that you and the people here as a whole have just about no control over.

Every single day there is a guy paying the extra 1K to lick a girls pussy. And every single day there are guys booting a girl for even suggesting the extra money for the same.

These market conditions raise and lower the ratio of guys willing to pay more. The girls can feel the pulse and they charge more if they feel they can now get it.

Continuing to spew venom about individuals here for abusing the pricing structure might help one or two people but in the grand scheme of things you will not be affecting the long term pricing one IOTA. That would be like trying to stop an avalanche.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1365052]I want to see the difference, the face, the figure, and still experience a great time with a girl willing to have fun. If she is ugly, or even ordinary, I don't bother. Having had a GF with superior looks, its hard to drop down to a lower level.[/QUOTE]We are very similar in modus operandi.

I for the life of me can't understand how so many guys can go with ugly, fat, average girls and say, well you are just looking at a head bobbing up and down so I don't care if she is ugly. [B]Life is just too short to be f-ing with sub par girls[/B]. But that is just me though. This is the main reason why I may not be suited to the Dr BJ bar scene. If one in 20 is decent looking it may just not be worth my time. I will see once I get over there though.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1365159]Bangkok prices are getting very high.[/QUOTE]I bet there were some saying the same thing. 20 years ago. 10 years ago and surely 5 years ago. The prices "are" what they "are". You either pay them or step aside for somebody else. It is that simple.

[QUOTE=Ehunter;1365274]I bet there were some saying the same thing. 20 years ago. 10 years ago and surely 5 years ago. The prices "are" what they "are". You either pay them or step aside for somebody else. It is that simple.[/QUOTE]An hour in London costs baht 6, 000-8, 000 equiv.

Getting a hot Thai totty for baht 2, 000 is a great deal. And if I spend baht 3, 000 I am still happy.

I am on holiday and I don't want the hassle of arguing prices.

[QUOTE=Ehunter;1365274]I bet there were some saying the same thing. 20 years ago. 10 years ago and surely 5 years ago. The prices "are" what they "are". You either pay them or step aside for somebody else. It is that simple.[/QUOTE]Absolutaly true, we often speak about fresh water. The price are obviously growing up like everywhere in the world, could not be otherwise, but also depends on us, I mean we can pay or not like many girls say: "its up to you", and personally I never want to pay more than 1. 5 unless if I find a top model, but its a different story!

[QUOTE=Ehunter; 1365262]Yea but Nic you are complaining about something that you and the people here as a whole have just about no control over.

Continuing to spew venom about individuals here for abusing the pricing structure might help one or two people but in the grand scheme of things you will not be affecting the long term pricing one IOTA. That would be like trying to stop an avalanche.[/QUOTE]I agree. Even if from tomorrow the whole of ISG punters in BKK make a firm point to pay 500 for ST and 1000 for LT, there will be no influence in the market. The ISG bunch will be refused and the girls will still be busy as ever at their prices as everyday. How many punters can ISG influence as a whole? 100? 500 as a whole in BKK? Peanuts in the big scheme of BKK p4p industry.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1365159]Bangkok prices are getting very high.[/QUOTE]What about your salary in the last 5 or 10 years? Hasn't increased? Cost of life has increased too in Thailand as everywhere, apart few places. Facts of life, I am afraid.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1365319]I agree. Even if from tomorrow the whole of ISG punters in BKK make a firm point to pay 500 for ST and 1000 for LT, there will be no influence in the market. The ISG bunch will be refused and the girls will still be busy as ever at their prices as everyday. How many punters can ISG influence as a whole? 100? 500 as a whole in BKK? Peanuts in the big scheme of BKK p4p industry.[/QUOTE]When people make statements as such I don't think they mean "To ISG punters, only pay such and such." What they are actually asserting is that if punters in general would only pay xyz or do xyz, then... Nobody is dumb enough to think that everybody who mongers in a certain destination is on ISG or that people on ISG are the only people who monger in said destination.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1365322]What about your salary in the last 5 or 10 years? Hasn't increased? Cost of life has increased too in Thailand as everywhere, apart few places. Facts of life, I am afraid.[/QUOTE]Increased? More than likely. Doubled or increased in percentage as P4P prices in BKK have? Probably not.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1365344]Increased? More than likely. Doubled or increased in percentage as P4P prices in BKK have? Probably not.[/QUOTE]Exactly. BKK in general has become very expensive and salaries have not increased accordingly.

There is little doubt that bargirl long time prices have increased in last 20 years, perhaps even taking inflation into account.

I am thinking they might be about 6 to 8 times larger. I don't think the drinks have gone up 6 times.

BTW. 20 years ago, my buddy was complaining it was much too expensive. He was used to paying maybe a 100 Baht a few years earlier for ST, especially in Chiang Mai.

However for Soapy MPs, I would say the prices for basic level girls have not kept pace with inflation at all.
For Oilies I don't know as I only started at Oilies in last few years where FS has been 1500 the whole time, except for new all in price, where girl typically gets less than 1500.

If some newbie wanted to pay 1K extra for some silly service, up to them. Can't see why we need to be too concerned. He probably won't next time. It's not like the average punter is paying extra for all sorts of add ons. Making a mountain out of a mole-hill.

Newbies to Thailand are always getting badly ripped off in one way or another, because they simply don't know what it is worth. Even now I could be ripped off buying something if I had no idea of the true price, and if lacking in the patience to spend much time determining the true price.

[quote]What about your salary in the last 5 or 10 years? Hasn't increased? Cost of life has increased too in Thailand as everywhere, apart few places. Facts of life, I am afraid.[/quote]No, my salary has decreased actually. By almost a third. And my savings and retirement have taken huge hits too. I venture an educated guess and say this is the case for most people, since analysis of this sort of thing is what I do for a living. In the US wages have been stagnant or falling since about 1979. Even the old reliable public employees are getting slashed and sacked as austerity kicks in. The only ones doing good seem to be those in the board rooms. Corporate profits and CEO bonuses are at record highs. Maybe some people are newly rich in China too, though even there despite all the talk the averages show a decline for most people.

And mongering hasn't increased in price everywhere.

Been paying the same rate at Korean and Chinese massage parlors in the states for 15 years. Been paying the same rates in Central America and the Caribbean for closer to 20.

Mainly the spots where stupid tourists go and splash around money like 3 day millionaires that are all skewed.

[quote]In Bangkok, you can get FS for $9. 80 if you know where to look (it's been reviewed here before). And in my opinion, $23 is chump change unless you're on a budget. But I think most tourists coming here don't mind the $23. The expats may, especially if they're English teachers struggling to make a living.[/quote]It's not a question of how much $23 is in the abstract. The point is that the rate in an inexpensive third world country with poverty wages is the same in the world's most expensive city, in the world's 2nd biggest economy.

[QUOTE=Scorchin1470; 1365278]An hour in London costs baht 6, 000-8, 000 equiv.

Getting a hot Thai totty for baht 2, 000 is a great deal. And if I spend baht 3, 000 I am still happy.[/QUOTE]The difference being, no one in their right mind would travel to London for mongering (or anything else IMHO).

Thailand became a destination for one reason: poor Thai people sold sexual services at low prices to military staff.

Now it's becoming like a circus, with corresponding prices.

[quote]I am on holiday and I don't want the hassle of arguing prices.[/QUOTE]Yea, I understand the sentiment. And we'll never be able to change your mind. But not everyone is on holiday. Many people live or work in Asia and have seen the transformation. Don't be surprised when they complain about paying 7 times what they paid a decade ago because people fly in for 5 days and throw money around like water before disappearing for another year or two.

Even for your own sake it'd be better to pay closer to market rates. I understand if you don't like to haggle. I don't either. But consider this, if you overpay by 100% you just pissed away another holiday. You could've had 2 for the price of 1.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1365448]It's not a question of how much $23 is in the abstract. The point is that the rate in an inexpensive third world country with poverty wages is the same in the world's most expensive city, in the world's 2nd biggest economy.[/QUOTE]The supermarket trolley cost in Thailand has risen a lot. A bowl of noodles has also gone up a lot, as has a leg of BBQed chicken. A cup of coffee in a coffee shop is not much cheaper than in the West. Apartment / house rents have risen too, and yet the price in Oilies has not risen much in last 5 years.

Bangkok is definitely not the cheapest place in the world. Don't complain about it. Go elsewhere. I don't monger in my home country as its a waste of good money on a short duration with a mostly crap girl. I don't like girls from home. Am I posting in my home country thread berating everything there? No, of course it would be a waste of time.

Just a reminder that the main purpose of the Bangkok threads is to talk about where there are great places for mongering (in Bangkok) and some great girls that were found.

Then supply enough detail so that other readers may see that it might be for them too.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1365450]Don't be surprised when they complain about paying 7 times what they paid a decade ago because people fly in for 5 days and throw money around like water before disappearing for another year or two.[/quote]Unlikely. I was here as a (too) young man 22 years ago. The baht / USD exchange rate was around 25/1. On my first night I paid 1000 baht ST for a gorgeous Laotian beauty from a club named Baby Face (or something like that). The following day I met a 21 why / o cutie with a great personality in an outdoor beer bar. We ended up spending the next 3 days together for which I gave her 3k. I recall that Beach Road girls were getting 300-400 baht for ST at the time.

Compare that to real estate, food, fuel, or even hotel prices (which are also still quite reasonable). Very few commodities have inflated less than P4P. Adjusting for Thailand's average inflation rate of around 3% per anum, P4P is actually cheaper here than 20 yrs ago.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1365450]The difference being, no one in their right mind would travel to London for mongering (or anything else IMHO).

Thailand became a destination for one reason: poor Thai people sold sexual services at low prices to military staff.[/QUOTE]Thailand is a poor country but BKK is not, or not at the same level as the upcountry.

BKK has a decently modern public rapid transport system, taxi. 4-5 stars hotel as rain drops, expensive venues, restaurants, banks, headquarters. So the prices reflect also the standard of living of the capital.
Go upcountry and you will get low rates and low standard accommodations.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1365322]What about your salary in the last 5 or 10 years? Hasn't increased? Cost of life has increased too in Thailand as everywhere, apart few places. Facts of life, I am afraid.[/QUOTE]For me it has gone down also. My company now imports IT talent from India. In my building there are around 2, 000 system support people and 8 out of 10 are now from India. My salary has dropped so as to not be displaced by these resources. The company is also not hiring their own local college grads into the industry because out of school, they would still make more than the India people. So the company would rather import the India people. This is now causing students to focus their studies in other areas / industries. It is fine being from a capitalist country until you start flushing away your own young talent in place of people from other countries all for the sake of bigger corporate profits.

Don't even get me started on my 401K and what corporate America has done to the retirement planning of their own American workers. Anyway, I feel my wages have only moved in tandem with those girls in the pleasure business.

[QUOTE=Scorchin1470; 1365278]An hour in London costs baht 6, 000-8, 000 equiv.

Getting a hot Thai totty for baht 2, 000 is a great deal. And if I spend baht 3, 000 I am still happy.

I am on holiday and I don't want the hassle of arguing prices.[/QUOTE]Things are this way for you because the GBP conversion to the Bhat gives you a great value, making it easy to not want to haggle. Other countries are not as fortunate. This makes it feast for you, and famine for others. Those then that receive lesser value can then accuse you of keeping the prices up.

[QUOTE=Nclpimp;1364932]Is there such a thing there. If so where in soi cowboy or NEP?[/QUOTE]I've seen a few places in Soi Cowboy offer cheaper drinks early in the evening. Last time I was in Suzie Wong they had a fairly large discount for drinks bought before 9pm. A beer was around 80 baht instead of the normal price of (around) 150. I noticed one guy bought 2 beers right before 9pm, which I guess he was planning to drink slowly while he waited for the 10pm show to start.

[QUOTE=Ehunter;1365484]Things are this way for you because the GBP conversion to the Bhat gives you a great value, making it easy to not want to haggle. Other countries are not as fortunate. This makes it feast for you, and famine for others. Those then that receive lesser value can then accuse you of keeping the prices up.[/QUOTE]Wrong- the baht / gbp rate has continually gone against British punters over the last ten years.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1365450]The difference being, no one in their right mind would travel to London for mongering (or anything else IMHO).

Yea, I understand the sentiment. And we'll never be able to change your mind. But not everyone is on holiday. Many people live or work in Asia and have seen the transformation. Don't be surprised when they complain about paying 7 times what they paid a decade ago because people fly in for 5 days and throw money around like water before disappearing for another year or two.

Even for your own sake it'd be better to pay closer to market rates. I understand if you don't like to haggle. I don't either. But consider this, if you overpay by 100% you just pissed away another holiday. You could've had 2 for the price of 1.[/QUOTE]1. I am glad you added IMHO in your condemnation of UK punting; it is a great mongering place with rates dropping to £100 / hour for many EE girls.

2. I never view my mongering payments in terms of my next holiday but in terms of what I think reasonable for a good couple of ours fun. I am sure locals are not affected

By my alleged 'over-payments; ' whenever I have been based longer term in a town / city I have always found less costly local produce. I am sure BKK residents do the same.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock]Bangkok prices are getting very high. For example, a BJ bar in Bangkok will run you about $23. A BJ bar in Tokyo, by most accounts the most expensive city in the world, will also run you about $23. And you get sucked by two girls separately, with two pops if you can manage it.

Pattaya BR girls are $17 ST. Bar girls can be had for $30 LT if you do it right.

In my experience, Cambodia is ABSOLUTELY NOT the place to go for cheap tail, unless you're up for crack addict street walkers, which you can get at home.

Central America, South America and the Caribbean still has lots of cheap ST action in the right spots at $6. $16.

ST action in the Philippines is $17. Prices for LT are even getting a little high there.

If you're into BJ's, Ho Chi Minh City has a bunch of Hot Tocs where some very hot early 20's chicks will give you BBBJCIM for $11.

There's also cheap stuff available in China and parts of Africa, but you have to know where to look.[/QUOTE]I'll call BS on the Japan BJ bar claim. Even if true, so what? Everything else is much more expensive in Japan for the budget or value seeking monger. So he's better off in Bangkok.

As for Pattaya vs Bangkok, you can get streetwalkers in Bangkok for $17 as well. Heck I've read reports of $10 in BKK's Chinatown.

Re Cambodia, a few years back there were reports of $5 FS. Has that changed? Though as you usually pay for what you get, you would probably have to go to some seedy shady location in what is already a seedy country relative to BKK.

Concerning Vietnam, I've read that you can't even take a lady back to the comforts of your hotel room. So for me Ho Chi Minh City is ruled out already before even considering its other many failures compared to Bangkok.

Some other locations like PI and in South America are widely considered significantly less safe for tourists than Thailand.

But if you are Canadian & all you care about is cheap poon, why not stay there & get BBBJs & FS from drug addicted streetwalkers for as little as 5 to 10 dollars.

In fact, if your goal is to save money, why even leave home. You can wack off to oceans full of free and amazing porn for the price of an internet connection.

Personally, though, my dream is to one day live & retire in Thailand, and in particular the City of Angels.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1365564]Come on guys, don't play into this guy.

He is the king of strawman arguments. Remember daily breakdowns on bts / mrt. LOL. America is same cost as BKK.

Now japan is same price.

You guys will never win over a guy who makes thing up to state his case.

Now what has gone up 7 times in the last decade. LOL. And LOL![/QUOTE]You seem to be too plain stupid to understand even a single word of what he says.
He is one of the very few guys around who really understands the game.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1365199]Is the guys name dante2k or something. I've followed him for a bit, he logs what he does everyday, whatever. On 2plu2 poker forum.

H ealways describes his hooker s as cute and guys eat it up.

I try to explain that low end cambo girls who work in restaurants or hotels and dubble as the village hooker (fee 10$.15$ are butt ugly) but I always get banned. LOL.[/QUOTE]Yeah, that's the one. That knucklehead living the dream just sitting in his hotel room all day and trolling for $15 methheads at night. LOL

And yet, he's a savior to many.

Also lots of misinformation there, yet can be entertaining at times.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1365454]Just a reminder that the main purpose of the Bangkok threads is to talk about where there are great places for mongering (in Bangkok) and some great girls that were found.[/QUOTE]Very well said. I'm here trying to get recent intel on hotties and all I find is nonsensical, drawn out, non winnable debate about the microeconomics of mongering. As far as I can see it says "sexguide up in the left hand corner. Let's get the lowdown on where the latest talent is.

I can back up everything I say. I'm a researcher by profession. I'd be happy to compare sources.

[quote]Remember daily breakdowns on bts / mrt.[/quote]'The BTS breaks down too often! Almost every day, around 5-7pm, you can already expect something is going wrong. '. Kaptan Jungteerapanich. 22, Bangkok resident.

Source: [url]http://bk.asia-city.com/city-living/article/commuter-complaints-bts-skytrain[/url]

[quote]America is same cost as BKK.[/quote]I said BKK is now approaching US prices. (They should be worlds apart; like the income is; like they used to be.) There are absolutely guys paying 5000 baht in Bangkok on any given day. If you don't think so check out some of the field reports and quotes online.

5000 baht is $160. That is the rate for full service at any number of Korean massage parlors in the United States. Check any massage parlor review site. In the biggest cities and some out of the way backwaters it's a little more. It shouldn't be anywhere close.

You can get a rub and tug for $30-50 very easily in the US. Yes, there are now guys paying up to 1500 baht for nothing more than massage and HE in Thailand, sad to say.

[quote]Now japan is same price.[/quote]For a blowjob bar (called "pink salons" in Japan)? Absolutely.

Blowjob bars in Thailand charge 700-800 baht. That's $22. 84. $26. 10 US at today's rates.

A place like Strawberry Club in Tokyo charges 2000 yen for a two girl rotation (15 minutes with each girl separately with a recovery period in between the two, you can POP twice). That's $23. 31 US at today's rates. Twice a month they have specials. 500 yen off, three girls for the price of two, stuff like that.

Check the Tokyo thread for plenty of reports on this place by me and others. Check the websites and compare. Dr. BJ's is easy to find with a Google search. I'll help you with Strawberry Club since it's in Japanese: [url]http://15-club.com/[/url]

[quote]He is the king of strawman arguments.[/quote]None of these are examples of a straw man. Maybe you'd better take a refresher course in logical fallacies.

"A straw man or straw person, is a type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To 'attack a straw man' is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man") , and to refute it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.". [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man[/url]

[quote]You guys will never win over a guy who makes thing up to state his case.[/quote]I've now sourced all of my comments. What's the basis for your attacks on them?

I'll wait for your sources. I won't hold my breath.

[quote]Just a reminder that the main purpose of the Bangkok threads is to talk about where there are great places for mongering (in Bangkok) and some great girls that were found.[/quote]I don't think that's all it's for. A review site would be pointless were it limited to "this place is fucking great!" There is room for discussions of prices, comparisons (this is after all INTERNATIONAL sex guide) , criticisms and negative reviews, pointing out dangers and rip offs, etc. And let's not pretend there are tons of hidden gems in BKK that people are finding here. If it's posted on this thread, it's a known place. This isn't 1988 or 1999. The internet is a big place and every mongering spot probably has several mentions somewhere out there, as distant as a 1 second Google search.

Fortunately there is an "Ignore" function on the ISG. We can filter out the posters whose topics are of little interest.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1365607]I don't think that's all it's for. A review site would be pointless were it limited to "this place is fucking great!" There is room for discussions of prices, comparisons (this is after all INTERNATIONAL sex guide) , criticisms and negative reviews, pointing out dangers and rip offs, etc.[/QUOTE]Technically "The purpose of this Forum is to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women". The information should of course be relevant to the Thread title, or otherwise posted elsewhere in a different part of the forum. So the Bangkok thread is for men looking for sex with women in Bangkok. Detailed info about other countries really belongs in the relevant threads for those countries.

By all means tell us where to get the best prices in Bangkok. There is also a special thread for "Places to be Avoided". You might want to use that thread too.

[QUOTE=Zhugeyaz]I will touch down at BKK next week at 12:30 a.m., but will only be able to check in the hotel in the afternoon. Lets say I get a streetwalker, is it possible to get a last minute hotel with her? And what are the rates per night or short time for a room? Staying at my hotel lobby for 12 hours++ would be really lame.[/QUOTE]Streetwalkers can easily steer you to a "short time" hotel. Rates are 300-500 baht. You'll have enough time to take care of business and take a shower. But you won't be able to hang out or kill time. If you're looking for a place to hang your hat for 12 hours, you'd be better off advance booking a single night at one of Bangkok's numerous budget hotels and e-mailing them to explain you'll be arriving in the middle of the night. If you guarantee the room using a credit card, they won't care when you check in. Check out the Bangkok Hotels section. You can easily find a decent hotel for 1000 to 1500 baht per night.

Bunky

[QUOTE=Ehunter;1365484]For me it has gone down also.[/QUOTE]I of course don't underestimate certain dynamics of recruitment based on nation based salaries, lower for the corporate, far higher for the nationals. Those Indian guys are probably earning far more than what they expected in their own country (not to mention the fact they also get a job) , but far less than your fellow citizenship for an equivalent position. These thoughts keeping it simple as we are not here to debate the whole global economy, of course.

If you think about it, somehow it is the same concept behind P4p we are discussing about. Higher local prices that we rate, if compared to our country, real cheap.

We can say that the Indians coming to your corporate are spoiling the (perception of) salary level in India and your corporate should be blamed (ironically) by the Indian corporates. On the other hand your company in your country is driving salaries down and damage your fellow nationals.

As any glass can be half full and half empty at the same time, depending on the POV, also in our debate we should look at things with a double POV to understand it better.

Talking about Bangkok prices, it seems like sometimes perspective is lost. Thailand a sovereign nation of nearly 70 million people, roughly the population of Great Britain. Bangkok is the capital. Throughout the country, wide pricing disparities exist. Does everyone here in their homelands live in London or New York, or are you from some nowhere flyover prole hole? Girls come to work in Bangkok because there's no money in their village. If you want to get them cheaper, go to the source, some town that's the Thai equivalent of where you're from.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1365159]Bangkok prices are getting very high. For example, a BJ bar in Bangkok will run you about $23. A BJ bar in Tokyo, by most accounts the most expensive city in the world, will also run you about $23. And you get sucked by two girls separately, with two pops if you can manage it.

Pattaya BR girls are $17 ST. Bar girls can be had for $30 LT if you do it right.

In my experience, Cambodia is ABSOLUTELY NOT the place to go for cheap tail, unless you're up for crack addict street walkers, which you can get at home.

Central America, South America and the Caribbean still has lots of cheap ST action in the right spots at $6. $16.

ST action in the Philippines is $17. Prices for LT are even getting a little high there.

If you're into BJ's, Ho Chi Minh City has a bunch of Hot Tocs where some very hot early 20's chicks will give you BBBJCIM for $11.

There's also cheap stuff available in China and parts of Africa, but you have to know where to look.[/QUOTE]I have been to all those places except Africa.

You might as well throw in Singapore and Kuala Lumpur.

Everybody has their favorites and stories, blah, blah, blah.

I have not seen any increases in prices in BKK. Just the value of the dollar changing.

But you have to go to the right spots. I keep harping on the Gogo's. Why, because that is where all the tourists go and that is why prices keep go up in them.

There are many many places, MP, FL's, SW's that give great GFE for the same prices 5 years ago.

I am paying the same, and sometimes less depending on the time of day and time of year.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1365159]. A BJ bar in Tokyo, by most accounts the most expensive city in the world, will also run you about $23. And you get sucked by two girls separately, with two pops if you can manage it.[/QUOTE]Really! I have lived in Japan for over 20 yrs. And have mongered extensively in both Tokyo and Osaka and I have never seen anything like that price in my time here in Japan. $23 is approx. About 2, 000 Yen and from my experiences most BJ's shops charge between 6-8, 000 Y. Upwards, for a one shot deal. And that is, if they let you through the door, as some establishments still practice a "Japanese only" policy.

Comparitively pricing wise Thailand, the Philippines and most SE Asian countries have it all over Japan. And if by some odd chance that you do find a ridiculously cheap BJ bar or club in Nihon, the cost of visiting Japan will quickly chew up any savings you might make, compared to Thailand.

[QUOTE=Josh Inyu; 1337406]LOL,

While I agree these types are a plague upon mankind, I think the Thaiglish translation should read "wiley" as in deceitful or cunning. In Thaiglish that would have ended up as "cunting". I remember a few years ago McD's had a special "valve" meal. Delicious, but hard on the teeth.

Josh[/QUOTE]And its plaque, not plague.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1365574]I'll call BS on the Japan BJ bar claim. Even if true, so what? Everything else is much more expensive in Japan for the budget or value seeking monger. So he's better off in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]So you have done your research on BJ alley in Tokyo? I recall going to such a place and paid I think 2K yen for a BJ. Can't seem to find the thread where I found the information but it had great pics to lead you to the places.

[QUOTE=OsakaGin11;1365874]Really! I have lived in Japan for over 20 yrs. And have mongered extensively in both Tokyo and Osaka and I have never seen anything like that price in my time here in Japan. $23 is approx. About 2, 000 Yen and from my experiences most BJ's shops charge between 6-8, 000 Y. Upwards, for a one shot deal. And that is, if they let you through the door, as some establishments still practice a "Japanese only" policy.[/QUOTE]Really. Maybe you should do more forum reading or just get out more.

Never lived in Japan myself, only visited a few times. Yet it was incredibly easy able to find a BJ bar (Strawberry Club) with 2 girl rotation for 2000 yen. Took all of a minute on Google. Posted the website in this thread yesterday for the other doubting Thomas, there are also many posts about it in the Tokyo thread that came after I shared my intel. At least 6 ISGers have been through by now. This is one of many places like this. Many have similar rates, some are higher, with higher quality girls. Jan Jan is an old standby for 3000 yen, and I'd say it compares with Dr BJ's in the quality of women and service.

[quote]Comparitively pricing wise Thailand, the Philippines and most SE Asian countries have it all over Japan.[/quote]As it should be. These countries are much, much poorer. My point is that prices in these almost immeasurably poorer countries are not starting to rival those in the.

But the point never seems to get over for a lot of guys here. They'd rather pick out one piece and get a shot in instead of looking at the overall picture and admitting the truth. It reminds me of people in Buffalo New York who won't accept any criticism of their once great city even as it crumbles all around them. Another case of cognitive dissonance I guess.

[quote]the cost of visiting Japan will quickly chew up any savings you might make, compared to Thailand.[/quote]Which is why Japan isn't a mongering destination for anyone other than those with a particular fetish for Japanese girls and some of the stranger services that exist there. Which is the same thing I'd say about Bangkok. Fine to fuck in if you find yourself on business or a general holiday tour there. Not a bad place, just not a place to fly half way around the world to monger in unless you have some special interest there. Which was my original point.

[quote]I figured out why BKK resident kapatan trashes the bts system. He is prolly a low paid worker who can't afford the luxury of the bts, he needed a legit answer to a reporters question of why he still rides his 25 year old bicycle instead of using the bts. LOL.

Using this dude as a source is an insult to the profession of RESEARCH.[/QUOTE]So you accuse me of making baseless statements, then reply to sourced evidence with idle speculation. About what I expected going on the quality of your posts here. No further dialogue required.

[quote]Imagine going to tokyo staying in a 150$ hotel. 60$ for meals. 25$ subway, train costs, etc just to get a $23 blowjob-sounds kinda silly to me. In BKK you can get all for $40-$45 or so.[/quote]I don't know what any of that has to do with anything since I never recommended anyone go to Japan for a blowjob, but you make my point for me. In the most expensive city in the world a blowjob costs less than it does in one of the world's poorest. Thanks.

[quote]Seems to me mr are has some kind of agenda against BKK. Maybe he is not one of the preferred races thai girls like or maybe he invested in a bar or massage shop. LOL.[/quote]I like Thai girls. Bone them all the time, in Thailand, Hong Kong and even Japan. I would no longer make a trip to Bangkok specifically for mongering. IMO just not worth it. Pattaya for sure if I'm already in SEASIA.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1365893]And its plaque, not plague.[/QUOTE]You are wrong. It is a "plague upon mankind"."plaque" is what builds up on your teeth.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1365923]I don't know what any of that has to do with anything since I never recommended anyone go to Japan for a blowjob, but you make my point for me. In the most expensive city in the world a blowjob costs less than it does in one of the world's poorest. Thanks.[/QUOTE]So which are you stating as one of the world's poorest? It sure isn't Bangkok. And Tokyo is not the world's most expensive either.

You make some valid points and have a fair bit of knowledge. You are still being a dick by disrupting threads. But I guess you are simply not a social creature.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1365922]Jan Jan is an old standby for 3000 yen, and I'd say it compares with Dr BJ's in the quality of women and service.[/QUOTE]Aha! Jan Jan is the one I was thinking about. Can't remember how I found it. I would not say that it is comprable with Dr BJs on facility though the services and quality of women perhaps. Actually I think Lillipop is more comprable overall to Jan Jan.

[quote]I'll call BS on the Japan BJ bar claim.[/quote]Yet another genius who lacks basic reading skills. I've already posted a link to a place with two girl blowjob rotation for $23 in the middle of Tokyo, about 20 steps from the Ostuka station. There are 10-20 more in the neighborhood, including one literally next door. There are reports from a half dozen other guys on that place and others. But hey what do I know, I've only been there several times while you have the benefit of being able to talk out of your ass with no knowledge or on the ground experience from behind a computer screen.

I'm done. You guys enjoy shelling out double, triple, five times what we've been paying for sub par ass in sub par Third World cities and enjoy it. No complaints or opinions please, this is paradise. The only thing allowed is reports on girls who have been reported on 500 times in places that have been reported on 5000 times. I'll stop by and check how much the prices have gone up in another five years, if anyone still has a job.

A few solid guys like Tiger 888 get it. Most westerners unfortunately don't.

[QUOTE=Pita123;1365925]You are wrong. It is a "plague upon mankind"."plaque" is what builds up on your teeth.[/QUOTE]You are wrong, post was not talking about teeth, was talking about a sign or similar, in commemoration.

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[QUOTE=Pita123;1365930]Aha! Jan Jan is the one I was thinking about. Can't remember how I found it. I would not say that it is comprable with Dr BJs on facility though the services and quality of women perhaps. Actually I think Lillipop is more comprable overall to Jan Jan.[/QUOTE]My report on Jan Jan. $35 not $23 but still cheap.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&postid=1031441#post1031441[/url]

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1365931]I've already posted a link to a place with two girl blowjob rotation for $23 in the middle of Tokyo, about 20 steps from the Ostuka station. There are 10-20 more in the neighborhood, including one literally next door.[/QUOTE]That would be great info for the Tokyo section of ISG, but it hardly proves your point that Bangkok is getting awfully expensive.

Instead, if true, what it would actually prove is that Tokyo is equally cheap in one small aspect of the sex industry, namely fellacio in BJ bars.

BTW according to Bill Clinton that isn't even sex.

Furthermore, one can get not only a BBBJ but also FS for cheaper than that, like $17, from some streetwalkers in various areas of Bangkok. And for just $30, only $7 more than your price for a mere BJ, a BBBJ plus actual sex is widely available in lower sukhumvit. Where can you get that in Japan?

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1365931]I'm done. You guys enjoy shelling out double, triple, five times what we've been paying for sub par ass in sub par Third World cities and enjoy it.[/QUOTE]If going to seedy places in a seedy country like Cambodia for $5 sex is what you like doing, then keep it up.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1365931]I'm done. You guys enjoy shelling out double, triple, five times what we've been paying for sub par ass in sub par Third World cities and enjoy it. No complaints or opinions please, this is paradise. The only thing allowed is reports on girls who have been reported on 500 times in places that have been reported on 5000 times. I'll stop by and check how much the prices have gone up in another five years, if anyone still has a job.

A few solid guys like Tiger 888 get it. Most westerners unfortunately don't.[/QUOTE]Still don't get why you're sounding off here as you're not really adding any value. Maybe you should go to the expats forum.

For anybody who lives in a developed country your claims about prices in BKK are just plain weird. Thailand suits us just find thanks although I know it hard for you to comprehend for some reason.

[QUOTE=Bkk Rookie;1337388]There is a huge plague mounted by the entrance that reads "beware the willy stranger." It exists for a reason.[/QUOTE]This is what I was referring to, the above post.

He wrote plague, when he meant, plaque.

I was saying to responding poster "and its plaque, not plague". Referring to BKK Rookie's post. Responding poster corrected willy / wiley, I corrected plague / plaque.

Hence the confusion for you, I suppose. Yes plaque also refers to teeth, but Rookie was not talking about teeth.

And there is a plague of plaque amongst the SW's too, did you notice, one of the reasons I avoid them, LOL.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1365922] (...)

Which is why Japan isn't a mongering destination for anyone other than those with a particular fetish for Japanese girls and some of the stranger services that exist there. Which is the same thing I'd say about Bangkok. Fine to fuck in if you find yourself on business or a general holiday tour there. Not a bad place, just not a place to fly half way around the world to monger in unless you have some special interest there. Which was my original point.[/QUOTE]I think not all of us come to Thailand because pussy is cheap here. Hence the endless discussions over price between the lovers of Thai pussy and the lovers of cheap pussy. Both are right and both are wrong.

Where I live I can get a good service in any Thai massage shop for 80 EUR per hour and full sex "suck-and-fuck" with a hot Thai girl in the RLD for 50 EUR per 20 minutes. Just the flight to Thailand would have gotten me 10 hours of play-time with Thai girls here. Yet, I still like to come to Thailand (and that even before I fell in love with my Thai GF) because of the whole of the package: beautiful friendly women in abundance, relatively cheap and easily accessible; good food; an overall nice holiday destination.

Reducing our reasons for coming here to just the price of sexual services in Thailand, is making a mockery of the real situation, IMHO.

Can we now please go back to more interesting subjects?

I believe market to market relative value and pricing (example Phils versus Thailand) is always a valid issue in such threads. Rick Rock has a point in that Bangkok now has transaction prices that in some cases can be comparable to first world major cities. However, I believe he's defined the issue too narrowly.

Lets say (an otherwise average) middle age guy can either live in NYC or Bangkok, lets say typically spending 6 months at either A or B locale each year, his other time not in either city. For the sake of argument, assume living costs are the same, although of course I have yet to see a modern hi rise luxury duplex in NYC for $2, 000 USA per month.

Lets also assume this guy also has a fairly high "entertainment" budget of $5, 000 USA or $150, 000 baht per month. Which city would most middle aged guys prefer to live in for those 6 months of the year assuming most of this entertainment money was going to be directed at women? While the NYC funds would buy relatively little, in fact not even a single mistress, the same funds applied in Bangkok would probably be 10 times more valuable, and while the minor leagues relative to the rich Thai, Japanese, and Chinese millionaires that dominate the most beautiful women in Bangkok, compared to NYC this guy would probably have as many beauties at some of the very rich movers and shakers in NYC.

This is just one example where among other places I believe Rick Rock's analysis completely falls apart.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1365961]Where I live I can get a good service in any Thai massage shop for 80 EUR per hour .[/QUOTE]Not sure where you live of course. Thailand doesn't typically charge by the hour. You would certainly get 1. 5 or 2 hours depending on the place and could get cheaper if you wanted cheap in Thailand, even in Bangkok. Annies 2 hour (not the cheapest) is 2500 Baht plus any tip you want to pay. For me that is the key point. I don't do anything in 20 mins (maybe a blow job is possible whn I really have no time).2 hours (with girl) in FKK in Germany would cost perhaps 265 Euros (including entry) , less in some places.

Thailand really comes into contention when you want to spend longer amounts of time, and not just a quicky. All night booking in Thailand is very reasonably priced compared to most Western countries I think. Not sure what a European RLD girl would do it for (and don't really care). Taking a girl away to some holiday destination (where there are no local P4P girls. Or no quality) for 4 days in Thailand is quite affordable. In the West would cost a hell of a lot.

In the end, this is where we are. Bangkok. I live here part time. The prices in some other country are only relevant when we happen to be going there, and then can read the appropriate threads. I think we agree on that one. If I wanted cheap, I could go to Phnom Penh, where the girls out of town who don't speak English go for about $10, I have heard. It doesn't help me much as I am not there, and can't be bothered to go try it. I can't even get up enough enthusiasm to go spend time in Pattaya which would surely save a lot of money.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1365434]The only ones doing good seem to be those in the board rooms.[/QUOTE]I can attest to that. My Salary is on the rise every year and Bonuses have been steady the past 2 years. Can't complain.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1366054]I can attest to that. My Salary is on the rise every year and Bonuses have been steady the past 2 years. Can't complain.[/QUOTE]I own my own business and the last four years have been record breaking. 2007, year before the storm was a year I would like to forget but once my client base readjusted it was off to the races. I live in an araea that you would be hard pressed to see any economic downturn. But most on my block are business owners and or professionals.

Simon says: Work Hard Monger Hard

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1365931]Yet another genius who lacks basic reading skills. I've already posted a link to a place with two girl blowjob rotation for $23 in the middle of Tokyo, about 20 steps from the Ostuka station. There are 10-20 more in the neighborhood, including one literally next door. There are reports from a half dozen other guys on that place and others. But hey what do I know, I've only been there several times while you have the benefit of being able to talk out of your ass with no knowledge or on the ground experience from behind a computer screen.

I'm done. You guys enjoy shelling out double, triple, five times what we've been paying for sub par ass in sub par Third World cities and enjoy it. No complaints or opinions please, this is paradise. The only thing allowed is reports on girls who have been reported on 500 times in places that have been reported on 5000 times. I'll stop by and check how much the prices have gone up in another five years, if anyone still has a job.

A few solid guys like Tiger 888 get it. Most westerners unfortunately don't.[/QUOTE]Rick Rock, let's get out of here. They don't get it. In Hong Kong I have plenty of girls who would stay all night with me for free, if I find them a guy stupid enough to pay 3000 HK$ ST. Converted into THB that is only 12000. A real bargain. Luckily I don't depend on that. I still get feedbacks that it happens not only once. When ever you are in HK next time, drop me a pm and I'll show you around.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1365931]I'm done. You guys enjoy shelling out double, triple, five times what we've been paying for sub par ass in sub par Third World cities and enjoy it. No complaints or opinions please, this is paradise. The only thing allowed is reports on girls who have been reported on 500 times in places that have been reported on 5000 times. I'll stop by and check how much the prices have gone up in another five years, if anyone still has[/QUOTE]Is that you're the most depressing guy on ISG. You whine about everything, argue with everyone, and just can't let it go. You're not going to influence guys. Maybe newbs but there are some of us that have done well and are not going to go to Asia and do the Cheap Charlie thing. Not saying I'll throw it away but quite frankly all this conversation and argument over a cup of coffee in the States is quite silly. I mean really, some of this shite is about $5.

On the other hand if you're in pussy heaven and as I suspect aren't making enough to partake in any other venue than the low end I'm sorry. But no need to try and shove your view of life down everyone's throat. Man I see you harping the same old story all over. Dude! You're in Asia, enjoy yourself. Don't get all would up about this and get everyone else all combative. Tell us where the best pussy is. Tell us what you did, who you saw, where you did her, how it was, how you negotiated, and finally pass along a name if you weren't to drunk to forget. That's what I want to see. Not this endless nobody can win whining about prices. And if you or I get nudged from the P4P scheme of life well then that's just a realy of life. No amount of crying and whining is going to change it. Maybe a better job. .

For now I'm good. If at 75 it becomes too costly I can probably live with that. My bigger concern is legislation.

[quote=tiger 888;1366071]i just hope the fiscal cliff cuts in and takes away buying power from where it does not belong. make the us a country where everything costs peanuts for buyers of china. let's talk again in 2 decades.[/quote]the politicians will kick the can down the road and all will be fine. my aging father is self sufficient, my kid is one year away from graduating with a degree that will gurantee a good standard of life. and if i don't monger it all away i can leave her a nice nest egg. i almost relish the cliff if it would mean drastic cuts in military. a loss of $1500-2000 a year isn't going to change my life much. in two decades i will be taking a pension and hopefully relaxing somewhere in asia with a yearly visit to the cold midwest.

again! in trying to get some sense into this whole cost conversation. you can't force your socioeconomic situation on others. i drive bmw, my neighbor (cheap charlie) drives toyota. he could talk till blue in the face i am not driving a toyota. i have my kid in a toyota (lexus actually) but that's for safety and reliability.

this whole $$ talk is nonsensical. smells a little of jealousy and quite frankly that's not something attractive in men. and to read about it day in and day out is a little much. i guess a lot of people like fighting windmills. i personally like to look forward and ask myself "how can i afford that?" sometimes i just have to say "i can't" other times it might be,"hmmm those three classic motorcycles collecting dust."

and at the end of the day it really really sounds like sour [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124][CodeWord124][/url]. guys that can't afford a certain lifestyle crying about it like babies. dude, i have a good life, but live in an area where there is huge wealth. i know a man that his father inlaw gave every child and inlaw $500, 000 for christmas. i saw the check. i don't have that kind of wealth but i am happy for my friend and if i can get any insight into how he amassed that wealth i am happy. i'm certainly not going to cry about it like a child.

now can we talk about pussy?

[QUOTE=SimonHeSays; 1366056]I own my own business and the last four years have been record breaking. 2007, year before the storm was a year I would like to forget but once my client base readjusted it was off to the races. I live in an araea that you would be hard pressed to see any economic downturn. But most on my block are business owners and or professionals.

Simon says: Work Hard Monger Hard[/QUOTE]Are we going to talk about personal wealth or success here?

Get back to discussions about girls. Where to get them, performance and how cheap it can be?

If you want to talk about personal wealth or any other personal things this is the wrong forum.

[QUOTE=Tiger 888;1366071]I just hope the fiscal cliff cuts in and takes away buying power from where it does not belong. Make the US a country where everything costs peanuts for buyers of China. Let's talk again in 2 decades.[/QUOTE]Falling off the fiscal cliff is nothing compared to Dollar free fall that is going to happen on the day the USA can't roll over its debt and the financial markets fail to open. Eventually the Treasury will be forced issue a new Dollar worth $.10 on the old Dollar. The American middle class will be wiped out. The poor will starve. The government may have to impose military rule just to keep the peace. The rich will hold their heads above the water with globally diversified portfolios, but every country is going to feel the pain when the USA goes into default. China will not be immune to the selloff. Tiger you write "Let's talk again in 2 decades. ' The end may happen sooner than that. So diversify your assets as much as possible and have a good time now while you can.

One more thing, in a severe worldwide depression brought on by an American default on its sovereign debt, the demand for high price pussy will significantly decline leading to a drastic price reduction for services. Unfortunately few will be in a position to buy a plane ticket to Thailand in order to take advantage of the new price reality. I plan to be one of those guys. See you in BKK after the world ends!

[QUOTE=SimonHeSays; 1366066]Is that you're the most depressing guy on ISG.

I totally agree with you mr simon. This gentleman (Rick Rock) (actually his name should have been crack rock, a hard nut to crack) has spoiled the flavour of this great Forum in last couple of weeks as his one more irritating freind in Pattaya forum Mr Kim whither man says let buddha give you peace (piece) of mind (pussy).

Enjoy

Watching you guys arguing about prices is hilarious. Cheap or expensive is all relative to your income / spending money.

However, the main reason most of us come to LOS is the sheer fact that this kind of freely available sex is not seen anywhere else in the world. I haven't been to all places but can anyone tell me where else you can find a proliferation of bars and massage parlors and the buying and selling of sex is so open. Compound that with the fact that it is quite socially acceptable. Where else in the world will you see the transgender population so integrated in the society.

Expensive or not, we all come because of the availability and no social stigma (for the tourists at least).

[QUOTE=Duniawala; 1366142]Watching you guys arguing about prices is hilarious. Cheap or expensive is all relative to your income / spending money.

However, the main reason most of us come to LOS is the sheer fact that this kind of freely available sex is not seen anywhere else in the world. I haven't been to all places but can anyone tell me where else you can find a proliferation of bars and massage parlors and the buying and selling of sex is so open. Compound that with the fact that it is quite socially acceptable. Where else in the world will you see the transgender population so integrated in the society.

Expensive or not, we all come because of the availability and no social stigma (for the tourists at least).[/QUOTE]I think Pattaya is the place where anything goes but not Bangkok. Of course there is social stigma. You don't need to tell anyone your real name. There is even social stigma attached to a Thai girl being in the company of a Farang, in some places. All MPs have signs saying that sex cannot occur under any circumstances. I think some other countries are more open about it by making it totally legal.

I agree the scale is grand. Hundreds of naughty MPs and bars. I do like to have a lot of girls to choose from LOL.

You speak as though you have tried all mongering destinations in the world, and then say you haven't. Puzzling.

Hopefully the reduced discrimination against LBs is not relevant to coming to Bangkok.
Is the ease of availability really important? Plenty of countries have sex available. I think its liking Thai girls that matters, the quality, and the price to play out your fantasies. and stuff like A+ and CIM thrown in for no extra charge.

[QUOTE=SimonHeSays;1366066]Tell us where the best pussy is. Tell us what you did, who you saw, where you did her, how it was, how you negotiated, and finally pass along a name if you weren't to drunk to forget. That's what I want to see.[/QUOTE]Some people might tell you where they had a good session. But nobody ever talks about their best sessions, and we all know why. And the best sessions are getting harder to come by.

[QUOTE=OsakaGin11; 1365874]Really! I have lived in Japan for over 20 yrs. And have mongered extensively in both Tokyo and Osaka and I have never seen anything like that price in my time here in Japan. $23 is approx. About 2, 000 Yen and from my experiences most BJ's shops charge between 6-8, 000 Y. Upwards, for a one shot deal. And that is, if they let you through the door, as some establishments still practice a "Japanese only" policy.

Comparitively pricing wise Thailand, the Philippines and most SE Asian countries have it all over Japan. And if by some odd chance that you do find a ridiculously cheap BJ bar or club in Nihon, the cost of visiting Japan will quickly chew up any savings you might make, compared to Thailand.[/QUOTE]Jan Jan in Sugamo is 3000 yens, for BBJCIM by a fully nude lady that you can touch and finger. If you want 2 ladies, and 2 pops, it's 4000.

In Shinkuku, Kabuchiko, Hinomaru, very famous gaijin friendly place charges 4000.

I am not in the debate BKK / Tokyo, but pl refrain talking nonsense. Supporting your point of view with blatantly false info does not help.

Decent infrastructure + vast quantities of professional, semi professional, or for want of a better term "ambiguously undecided" attractive young women + reasonable living costs = Bangkok. Some guys like Phillipines but its got significant crime issues, with Burma and Cambodia not only infrastructure problems but now rapidly rising prices. You will note the Global Nanpa "righteous dude" guy who is a German national, while traveling for his "hobby" to various southeast asian destinations primarily bases out of Bangkok. Now his entertainment budget which includes 1st class travel, visits to G clubs, top suites at 5 star hotels, hiring models for photo shoots and so forth, with basically few expenses spared, has to be at least 20, 000 euros per month, so its true he's not typical, but he could go anywhere.

Right on Western. I could go anywhere I want. I spent a good part of the 90's in South America. There are a lot of beautiful girls in Colombia and Brazil, Argentina and Chile, but as hot as some Latinas are, I like Thai girls and Thailand more. Plain and simple. I also think after travelling around the world many times over: that Thailand is a pretty good country to hang out in, eat the food, and enjoy the scenery with very little hassle. It is not Eden, it is plenty fucked up if you look closely, but on the whole it is a pretty good place for a Gringo / Farang to fuck around in. Now since I find myself in Thailand so often, I like to take side trips to Macau, the PI, Phnom, and even Singapore. Diversity is good and here centrally located in BKK, South East Asia is where I want to play. So shoot me and bury me under a durian tree if you disagree and think I am crazy or acting foolish with my own hard earned money.

Let's get back to the reason for this thread: an intelligent discussion of the BKK scene and what is going on here. We all know where everybody stands on the price per GDP index. Let it go. If a punter wants to drop 10,000bt in one night at a G-Club or 6,000bt for an hour in La Belle with an "L" category soapy girl what the fuck business is it of anybody else to deride him for it. He is paying the listed correct price for the venue he is in. Oops, I did it myself. I may have started another price battle. The price war will continue! It's like fighting in the trenches in WW 1. LOL.

[quote=simonhesays; 1366080]...and at the end of the day it really really sounds like sour [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124][CodeWord124][/url]. guys that can't afford a certain lifestyle crying about it like babies. dude, i have a good life, but live in an area where there is huge wealth. i know a man that his father inlaw gave every child and inlaw $500, 000 for christmas. i saw the check. i don't have that kind of wealth but i am happy for my friend and if i can get any insight into how he amassed that wealth i am happy. i'm certainly not going to cry about it like a child...[/quote]just to get one thing straight. i am able to buy all your house cars and a few bentleys on top. is that a reason to spoil other countries for their inhabitants?

So what would be the prices for the go go's, FL's and the SW.

I usually go to Pattaya and I don't know much about Bankok.

I don't mind paying the market but I hate getting ripped off.

Tellall

[QUOTE=Dreams; 1366172]Jan Jan in Sugamo is 3000 yens, for BBJCIM by a fully nude lady that you can touch and finger. If you want 2 ladies, and 2 pops, it's 4000.

In Shinkuku, Kabuchiko, Hinomaru, very famous gaijin friendly place charges 4000.

I am not in the debate BKK / Tokyo, but pl refrain talking nonsense. Supporting your point of view with blatantly false info does not help.[/QUOTE]Last time I went to Hinomaru it was 10, 000 yen for a blow job by a fat chick. That was the only time I engaged in anything in Japan. I've been going there minimum twice a year since 1996. The prices in Japan are just outrageous, I rather do China or Philippines. The old hookers in Shinagawa want like 150, 000 for ST.

Anyway, I'll be in BKK soon for the first time, looking forward to the experience. Thanks to everyone who posts useful information.

BP

[QUOTE=Oidar;1366169]Some people might tell you where they had a good session. But nobody ever talks about their best sessions, and we all know why. And the best sessions are getting harder to come by.[/QUOTE]Truer words have not been spoken. That really is the rub isn't it. Harder and harder to find good looking girls that perform well at any price these days.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1365960]I was saying to responding poster "and its plaque, not plague". Referring to BKK Rookie's post. Responding poster corrected willy / wiley, I corrected plague / plaque.[/QUOTE]Haha. Ok, you were referring to a post from 2. 5 months ago. I see what you mean.

[QUOTE=SimonHeSays;1366080]This whole $$ talk is nonsensical. Smells a little of jealousy and quite frankly that's not something attractive in men.[/QUOTE]Amen to that. Like a bunch of jealous / envious aunties at a family reunion. Ugly.

One of my old girls used to always tell me this. Whenever, we had conflicts, this was her answer. Traditional Thai culture is dead. They are like us now. Keeping up with the Kardashians. 90210, wherever's next top model, and all the fucking vampire shit (I do like True Blood) are even more popular here. There is nothing Thais like more than a good excuse to dress all the little girls up like tarts. Women are empowered here now. Little girls are taught to treat men like dirt.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1366270]Truer words have not been spoken. That really is the rub isn't it. Harder and harder to find good looking girls that perform well at any price these days.[/QUOTE]If they get paid without performance, why should they. Except the gems who really enjoy what they are doing. And there is no way I would share one in public.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1366106]One more thing, in a severe worldwide depression brought on by an American default on its sovereign debt, the demand for high price pussy will significantly decline leading to a drastic price reduction for services. Unfortunately few will be in a position to buy a plane ticket to Thailand in order to take advantage of the new price reality. I plan to be one of those guys. See you in BKK after the world ends![/QUOTE]I saw an expert on economic trends who has made provable predictions for the last 25 years interviewed on Al Jazeera who calculates 2020 for the complete economic collapse of USA.

One tip he gave was to invest in gold.

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Tiger 888;1366239]Just to get one thing straight. I am able to buy all your house cars and a few Bentleys on top. Is that a reason to spoil other countries for their inhabitants?[/QUOTE]You sit here and cry like its the end of the world for overpaying $10 USD for a piece of ass and now you would have us believe that you can buy all of us and a few Bentlys on top of that. Yeah right!

Monied guys don't cry about $5. Not the wealthy guys I know and run with. My guess is you have a very good imagination. I'll be I SEA during Jan and Feb. Just because I can I'm gong to overpay by $5 each girl I bed. I'm guessing that will be an average of one a day. So it's going to run me $150 extra. Wow! That's a whole dinner for a friend an I. What will I do? There goes my budget for the next five years.

Simon says: Sure, I believe you.

[QUOTE=SimonHeSays; 1366355]You sit here and cry like its the end of the world for overpaying $10 USD for a piece of ass and now you would have us believe that you can buy all of us and a few Bentlys on top of that. Yeah right!

Monied guys don't cry about $5. Not the wealthy guys I know and run with. My guess is you have a very good imagination. I'll be I SEA during Jan and Feb. Just because I can I'm gong to overpay by $5 each girl I bed. I'm guessing that will be an average of one a day. So it's going to run me $150 extra. Wow! That's a whole dinner for a friend an I. What will I do? There goes my budget for the next five years.

Simon says: Sure, I believe you.[/QUOTE]I don't give a sh... If you believe me or not. For me it's enough if those believe me who know me. You may leave your footprints and I do it my style.

[QUOTE=Scorchin1470]I am glad you added IMHO in your condemnation of UK punting; it is a great mongering place with rates dropping to £100 / hour for many EE girls.[/QUOTE]With the world economy slumping, rates are dropping in many places. A Tokyo BJ bar rate of $23 would be an example of that.

If Bangkok prices for BJ bars are about the same, that doesn't support Rick Rock's claim that BKK is getting expensive, but that Tokyo is getting cheap, in one small way.

Nevertheless your UK rate of 100 pounds per hour is still ridiculously expensive compared to Bangkok. It's easy for a guy to get 5 to 10 times more bang for his buck in the Thai capital.

That's the main why reason I intend to retire full time in LOS. I'll continue saving a fortune, many tens of thousands of USD, over prices back in Canada.

Rick Rock's comments have not convinced me in the slightest that there is any country anywhere else in the world that is a better choice than Siam.

But I appreciate his input nonetheless as it has inspired a lively & interesting discussion with a number of comments I've found personally may be of some practical use.

I'm sure that I'm not the only one in that regard.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock]The cost of visiting Japan will quickly chew up any savings you might make, compared to Thailand. Which is why Japan isn't a mongering destination for anyone other than those with a particular fetish for Japanese girls and some of the stranger services that exist there. Which is the same thing I'd say about Bangkok. Fine to fuck in if you find yourself on business or a general holiday tour there. Not a bad place, just not a place to fly half way around the world to monger in unless you have some special interest there. Which was my original point.[/QUOTE]Visiting Japan will generally cost you as much or much more than Thailand for everything that matters to a monger, so there won't be any savings by visiting Japan, just the additional cost of airfare.

Though if I had unlimited or much greater finances, Japan would be a consideration as a sex retirement destination because it is full of beautiful white skinned busty spinners without the Western feminist mindset.

As it stands I'll have to settle for Bangkok, with its P4P scene dominated by darker skinned ladies, which gives me way more value for my dollar, so far more bang for my buck than North America.

It's not that I have a "fetish" for the look of Asians or Thais, as there are hot women in countries all over the world.

But I'll continue to "fly half way around the world" to Bangkok until I finally retire in Thailand. Why? Because the extra costs of airfare and hotels for the trip to LOS are offset quickly, like in a week or two of mongering when Western sex worker prices are factored in. After that it's all gravy, which for me means many thousands of dollars in savings.

Moreover, like Wolvenvacht implied, people like to go to places for other reasons in addition to mongering. This could includes things like the culture, the food, checking out possible employment or GF or wife or retirement options, research into investing, learning a new language, writing a book, etc.

[QUOTE=Big Poppa II; 1366251]Last time I went to Hinomaru it was 10, 000 yen for a blow job by a fat chick. That was the only time I engaged in anything in Japan. I've been going there minimum twice a year since 1996. The prices in Japan are just outrageous, I rather do China or Philippines. The old hookers in Shinagawa want like 150, 000 for ST.

Anyway, I'll be in BKK soon for the first time, looking forward to the experience. Thanks to everyone who posts useful information.

BP[/QUOTE]When did you go last? Those prices were applied more than 3 years ago. The financial crisis has come since, and the price at Hinomaru is 4000. The chick may or may not be fat, YMMV, but that's true also in BKK, if not in terms of look, but certainly in terms of service. And you don't have to take an old chick in Shinagawa. Look at the Tokyo thread, a lot of very good info, given without flaming. If you go twice a year and have not found anything to your liking, I can only be sorry for you.

I am not suggesting, and I don't think anybody does, that Tokyo is a monger destination. But it is definitively a fun place, for those wanting to explore it. And, as far as I am concerned, I get bored in BKK after a few days: I don't want a GF, don't want to go out and have dinner with Wgs, don't want to spend hours in bars playing billiard, don't enjoy the heat and the hassle. I just enjoy dropping for a day or 2 on the way to somewhere else and have a couple of good fucks.

No flaming, please, to each his own, this is MY opinion, and I fully understand why other don't agree with it.

Hey guys sorry if this has been answered, only got one night here on the way back home and can't find it now. What's the name / loc of the freelance club that stays open real late? Remember reading here couple of weeks ago. And is Thermae still around? I recall of it on my first trip a decade ago.

Thanks

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1364958]You know, I was always wondering, how do people prepare for a trip to Bangkok? 10 years ago I would agree it was difficult to find info but now? With the internet? Are people really that stupid as to not do a little research before coming whoring in Thailand?

The girls are not driving up the prices: WE ARE, by agreeing to pay them.[/QUOTE]Well. 3-4 years ago it was easier to do the research. Back then most of the expats and BKK veterans were happy to provide newbies with valuable information concerning prices, locations, hotels and so on. Today many of them seem to enjoy patronizing newbies more.

I for myself knew that I was overpaying when I spent 4500 THB for LT with a pretty Baccara girl. But nobody cared to tell me the going rate of Baccara. Is it 3k? 4k? Rules like "I never spend more than 3000" may apply to BKK residents but it's difficult to follow these rules when you only have one night to monger.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano; 1365590]Yeah, that's the one. That knucklehead living the dream just sitting in his hotel room all day and trolling for $15 methheads at night. LOL

And yet, he's a savior to many.

Also lots of misinformation there, yet can be entertaining at times.[/QUOTE]Hi guys, clown / knucklehead checking in.

Despite what some people on here (who I don't think have even been to snooky) are telling you every girl in sihanoukville isn't ugly or a meth head.

I've been with a few uggles when I couldn't find anything better, but not for a few months, and I've been with a few girls that do meth, never had a problem with them at all and 2 of the hottest / my favorite girls out here like to do it, one of them I have left in my room alone while I went out on many occasions (10-15) and she never stole a thing from me, the other I don't trust quite as much so I'm careful to lock up valuables when she comes over, but again she has never been a problem in the 15 or so times we have done our thing.

This isn't Pattaya or Bangkok there arent a million working girls out every night, but there are some very attractive girls around you just have to be a little more patient and pounce on an opportunity when it presents itself.

If you go out looking for a hottie and can't find one which happens at times either take the night off or go with something less attractive, up to you, but I'm pretty confident in saying that in the past few months I haven't been with any girls that others on this board wouldn't gladly pay $15-$20 to spend some time with, when I first got out here I would go with lesser quality but now that I've been oversexed for the past 5 months I am much more patient and if I don't find anything to my liking don't mind waiting till tomorrow.

The key is when you see one of the rare hotties go ask as quick as possible and get her number for she leaves and spend as much time with her as you possibly can.

I was in Bangkok for only one night so not a huge sample size, but I walked around for hours, saw thousands of girls in and around nana, ended up with the one I considered to be the hottest I saw and I've been with at least 5 hotter here in sihanoukville and another 5-10 were at a comparable level

[QUOTE=Tiger 888;1366335]If they get paid without performance, why should they. Except the gems who really enjoy what they are doing. And there is no way I would share one in public.[/QUOTE]You wouldn't want any other guys seeing a working girl would you? And with the cheap charlie attitude I'm sure they are being celibate until you return. Waiting for you to spend that big Bently money on them. Where are you from that US $5 is such a big deal? I mean really. You thinking is totally convoluted. Why would you go to a site set up to review WGs all over the world and then when you find a good one keep it to yourself. Who does that do any good for? Why is it you're here?

I've gleamed quite a bit of good info, met some really nice guys and am planning my first real mongering trip to SEA. I will report the good with the bad. And if I find a gem I will report.

And a guy with obvious millions, I mean you're buying us all and then some Bentlys, and your concerned about $5-$10? Dude I [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] that away on coffee each day. The only other answer is you enjoy denigrating people? In which case I can make a good guess what country you're from. Sad.

[QUOTE=Sean EZ; 1366415]Hey guys sorry if this has been answered, only got one night here on the way back home and can't find it now. What's the name / loc of the freelance club that stays open real late? Remember reading here couple of weeks ago. And is Thermae still around? I recall of it on my first trip a decade ago.

Thanks[/QUOTE][url]Http://www.bangkokeyes.com/2006aug01.html#ITEML[/url]

See on this Map.

[url]http://goo.gl/maps/cKknL[/url]

I went to the orginal Thermae before it moved in 1996. Was good in those days

[QUOTE=Tiger 888;1366239]Just to get one thing straight. I am able to buy all your house cars and a few Bentleys on top.[/QUOTE]I rate it a wrong spending. Bentleys do get devaluated quickly and you loose on the investment. I prefer to buy Rolls and a few Maybach to save my wealth in those mobile toys. Or stick to some classic collector cars such as Ferrari of the 50's.

If you can afford, of course, as I agree, you might not be able to. It is a long way to put together the couple of millions needed at the auctions for those, especially if you generate that capital by 5 bucks a day. Never mind, drive your Bentley, it is easy to park it when it is a 1/42 scale model.

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1366526]I rate it a wrong spending. Bentleys do get devaluated quickly and you loose on the investment. I prefer to buy Rolls and a few Maybach to save my wealth in those mobile toys. Or stick to some classic collector cars such as Ferrari of the 50's.

If you can afford, of course, as I agree, you might not be able to. It is a long way to put together the couple of millions needed at the auctions for those, especially if you generate that capital by 5 bucks a day. Never mind, drive your Bentley, it is easy to park it when it is a 1/42 scale model.[/QUOTE]I thought this thread was about Bangkok Reports not men boasting about their financial pricks.

Bangkok has changed immeasurably over the last 30 years since I first came. On my first visit I picked up a delightful yung thing and we had a night of full on sex at, as I recall the Asia Hotel for about $10 (OK I had been without for three months nd had a pile of overseas US$s to spend). Today that won't even pay the first round of drinks.

But I don't regret 'progress' merely get amused by those who pretend that life has not moved on.

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1366526]I rate it a wrong spending. Bentleys do get devaluated quickly and you loose on the investment. I prefer to buy Rolls and a few Maybach to save my wealth in those mobile toys. Or stick to some classic collector cars such as Ferrari of the 50's.

If you can afford, of course, as I agree, you might not be able to. It is a long way to put together the couple of millions needed at the auctions for those, especially if you generate that capital by 5 bucks a day. Never mind, drive your Bentley, it is easy to park it when it is a 1/42 scale model.[/QUOTE]Did I say I have a Bentley? I don't need all that. Where I live (HK) public transport is the way to go. I don't leave big footprints. I valuate free time and decided to retire at a very early age instead. Macau is on my weekly agenda.

[QUOTE=Dreams; 1366399]When did you go last? Those prices were applied more than 3 years ago. The financial crisis has come since, and the price at Hinomaru is 4000. The chick may or may not be fat, YMMV, but that's true also in BKK, if not in terms of look, but certainly in terms of service. And you don't have to take an old chick in Shinagawa. Look at the Tokyo thread, a lot of very good info, given without flaming. If you go twice a year and have not found anything to your liking, I can only be sorry for you.

I am not suggesting, and I don't think anybody does, that Tokyo is a monger destination. But it is definitively a fun place, for those wanting to explore it. And, as far as I am concerned, I get bored in BKK after a few days: I don't want a GF, don't want to go out and have dinner with Wgs, don't want to spend hours in bars playing billiard, don't enjoy the heat and the hassle. I just enjoy dropping for a day or 2 on the way to somewhere else and have a couple of good fucks.

No flaming, please, to each his own, this is MY opinion, and I fully understand why other don't agree with it.[/QUOTE]Yes, the last time I tried anything was like three years ago, maybe more. I'd given up due to the prices. I'll be back in in a couple of months and will take a second look, thanks for the updated information.

BP

[QUOTE=Scorchin1470; 1366539]I thought this thread was about Bangkok Reports not men boasting about their financial pricks.

Bangkok has changed immeasurably over the last 30 years since I first came. On my first visit I picked up a delightful yung thing and we had a night of full on sex at, as I recall the Asia Hotel for about $10 (OK I had been without for three months nd had a pile of overseas US$s to spend). Today that won't even pay the first round of drinks.

But I don't regret 'progress' merely get amused by those who pretend that life has not moved on.[/QUOTE]Great post. You are not confused. But many others are.

Like you say, it is progress and growth and a lot of dudes just are cheap or don't have a decent job that fits the world economy. Or they are just loser mouth breathers. Too bad.

Many years ago, I got a girl in Cambodia for a jar of Peanut Butter.

Should I pack a 12 pack of Skippy for my next trip?

[QUOTE=Nullnull;1366437]Well. 3-4 years ago it was easier to do the research. Back then most of the expats and BKK veterans were happy to provide newbies with valuable information concerning prices, locations, hotels and so on. Today many of them seem to enjoy patronizing newbies more.[/QUOTE]That's true, but don't forget that due to many moaning newbies (as you call them) , many of the said Veterans were asked 3-4 years ago to migrate to the Expat threads. We were told to vacate the premises and take our discussions elsewhere. I am sure you remember that time don't you?

[QUOTE=Nullnull;1366437]Well. 3-4 years ago it was easier to do the research. Back then most of the expats and BKK veterans were happy to provide newbies with valuable information concerning prices, locations, hotels and so on. Today many of them seem to enjoy patronizing newbies more.[/QUOTE]Officially I may be an Expat, but I don't have fondness for the term and consider myself an international traveller with no fixed home. Okay I live part time in Thailand but was not born here. I understand clear Thai much better than weak English (after part time use of Thai for 20 years) , so sometimes find Thai people insisting on English, that I cannot understand clearly, to be annoying. I am gradually picking up some Isaan as well from bargirls. LOL.

Nic mentions the Expat threads / forum. I would not be in there, with the expectation of a lack of useful information, and lack of focus on the mongering locations. I never see anything wrong with guys posting their factual experiences, as long as not gay and as long as related to the thread somewhat. I may disagree with their opinions.

Some of us are prepared to help out the newbies, remembering we all had to be newbies at one time. However I prefer to answer or ask fairly specific questions. Very vague questions are obviously difficult and boring. There is also little point in answering questions where you have no expertise. I don't like to see people answering based on what they read by someone else (which may be bullshit) rather than their own experience. However, believe me, I have looked at some other forums including Thai forums, and see most competition as no competition at all, because they are filled with endless smart-arse remarks, one liners, chit chat, and highly lacking in detailed field experience reports. e.g. the W.S.G. was just pathetic and I gave it up. All they could do was question my arrogance to have an opinion, after posting just a few detailed field reports, that one else could be bothered to do. On Thai forums, they are too shy to same anything direct or explicit and don't even write proper Thai.

I hope I do not come across as too patronising. Certainly opinionated, yes. I do have knowledge of the Thai language that most ISGers probably don't, and moderate knowledge of Buddhism and Thai culture. I am willing to share all my good locations and even mention some hot girls. I tend not to mention so much girls that don't speak English at very Thai establishments.

Experienced posters may not mind helping out the newbies a little but are lazy to spoon feed them every step of the way if the newbie is too lazy to do a search for basic easy info themselves. Newbies are encouraged to spend at least weeks of reading the forum before starting to post themselves unless want to share an actual experience. Actually would help if the forum had a Thailand Newbies thread. Then the very annoying expats could stay out of that thread.

When I was a newbie (20+ years back) , there was no internet nor forum. I however had a experienced buddy that I met at the airport who helped out introducing me to Cowboy, Thermae, The Grace, Pat Pong rip-offs, the Kangaroo bar,"Baan Nork", Thai Mafia, etc. I don't recall if Nana Plaza existed back then (perhaps was very new). His Thai was more advanced than mine, as I had been learning Thai just a few months. He was a very stingy / thrifty type so a little different from my mindset, but a good (or bad) influence. Fortunately his taste in women was opposite to me. He liked the fatties and I liked the skinnies. I used to stay in terrible Hotels back then, that probably would be only 2 to 3 stars now (possibly influenced by stingy buddy). LOL. I now prefer 4 star style or bargain 5 star. Comfortable but not wasting too much money. However I have a semi-permanent address now.

I don't count my first trip to Thailand as a normal tourist 30 years ago. That was sort of irrelevant, but just became aware of the availability of very beautiful Thai girls when I saw the hotties on the arm of old men in Phuket.

I have nothing against newbies. Good sensible questions are welcomed. Only the most lazy and ridiculous ones, who do not even bother to state specifically what they are looking for, are annoying. I certainly read the forum for some time before posting, even though I was no newbie to thailand.

Newbies, who don't even know what they are looking for, should just read the forum in browsing mode to become aware. I know this is harder when so much non-information is posted.

Oh shit. Too long again. Boring. My new year's resolution should be to cut back on opinion reports and just post factual information and experience reoprts.

[QUOTE=Nullnull;1366437]Well. 3-4 years ago it was easier to do the research. Back then most of the expats and BKK veterans were happy to provide newbies with valuable information concerning prices, locations, hotels and so on. Today many of them seem to enjoy patronizing newbies more.[/QUOTE]It was actually 3 to 4 years ago as the world become smaller and more people started to be based in Thailand that things went downhill.

As opposed to helpful people a new sub-culture of arrogant control freak farangs emerged, they always know better, what they do is right and everyone else is wrong. They think they are the best and everyone else is below them.

There was an attempt to push them off into "Expat" threads but they got bored talking to themselves and so have all come back on to the normal threads patronizing everyone.

But there you go.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock]I'm from New York bro.

I didn't say Phnom Penh should be avoided at all costs. Some people like it. Some people even like the urban centers of India (!). But if you dislike extremely loud noise on a consistent basis, or if you're a light sleeper who needs rest, then you should look elsewhere.[/QUOTE]This is the type of comment that I find might be useful to punters.

Can anyone tell me how the noise levels of PP in Cambodia compare to places around NEP in Bangkok?

On Christmas Eve or day, I forget which, I could hear loud fireworks explosions till almost 4 AM by my residence on the 10th floor in Siam.

I expect New Years Eve celebrations to be even worse.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock]But the point isn't about massages. It's about how fucked Cambodia is for mongering. It doesn't make sense that a haggard old bird with kids and a saggy stretch-marked body who is probably on crack or meth and lives in one of the poorest / lowest cost of living countries in the world where prostitution is right out in the open would ask for MORE money than a 19 year old stunner with a flawless body who probably spends more on her makeup than the aforementioned woman spends on her monthly rent, living in one of the world's most expensive countries, where the prostitution seen is underground.

When massage girls in Phnom Penh want more money than massage girls in New York City, something is amiss bro.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the entertainment.

Your posts, like Harold's, are very low on the truth scale but get outstanding grades for ROTFLOL.

What I am curious about, though, is if you really believe the crap you post.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82eQYuXl1zg[/url]

I'm not a big fan of the a-go-go scene but do go have a look from time to time. I cruised through Soi Cowboy a few nights ago. Had a drink in Suzie Wong's and only saw 2 or 3 that were eye candy. It was a nude shuffle though and 95 baht beer before 9 pm. When finished at Cowboy I came out on Soi 23. I turned right towards Sukhumvit and discovered Twins Bar after a minute or so of walking. I've read about it here on ISG a time or two but retained no details. It's pretty much a hole in the wall bar with a couple of pool tables and about 6 or so girls the night I popped in. They even were playing Thai music, not my thing but it made the girls high energy. I played pool with a 26 yo with a pretty face and a tall slender look. Bought a couple of drinks and was ready to roll out when she suggested short time on the premises. 1500 all in. Paid at the bar before hand and she took me upstairs to a crappy massage layout. Curtained cubicles, mattresses on the floor. Got a one hour all you you could imagine experience. I know that's not everyone's thing but it worked for me at that moment. Her name was Malee and she showed some sagginess when the clothes came off. I know some would give her a miss for that but I'd definitely repeat. Except now I'll have to wait in line. Happy New Year.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;1366762]she suggested short time on the premises. 1500 all in. Paid at the bar before hand and she took me upstairs to a crappy massage layout. Curtained cubicles, mattresses on the floor. Got a one hour all you you could imagine experience. I know that's not everyone's thing but it worked for me at that moment. Her name was Malee and she showed some sagginess when the clothes came off. I know some would give her a miss for that but I'd definitely repeat. Except now I'll have to wait in line. Happy New Year.[/QUOTE]Interesting, I always thought that you could do the girls on the pool tables in these bars. Did they have Showers?

By the say, Some Bars in SC also have rooms upstairs: JJ for instance.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1366781]Interesting, I always thought that you could do the girls on the pool tables in these bars. Did they have Showers?

By the say, Some Bars in SC also have rooms upstairs: JJ for instance.[/QUOTE]Took me a while to figure JJ was Jungle Jims. Not sure If I ever went in there.

Quite a few have rooms upstairs. Some girls ;) can't go to many regular Hotels but can go to local ST Hotels like Penny Black or upstairs.

[quote]I got her down to 1500 for a topless handjob. Payment upfront-this killed all hope of a deal so I left to get dressed in the bathroom.

In tribute to members here I passed on her deal-didn't want to raise price level another notch. LOL.

Of course I was thinking of rick rock when all this was happeneing, tokyo and USA prices-in Thailand mind you. LOL.[/QUOTE]Glad I could help. A topless HJ at a rub and tug in Manhattan's Chinatown is cheaper at 1375 baht all in.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1366726]I have nothing against newbies. Good sensible questions are welcomed. Only the most lazy and ridiculous ones, who do not even bother to state specifically what they are looking for, are annoying. I certainly read the forum for some time before posting, even though I was no newbie to Thailand.

Newbies, who don't even know what they are looking for, should just read the forum in browsing mode to become aware. I know this is harder when so much non-information is posted.[/QUOTE]Amen, .

I think we can't' agree more, and I find some newbies to be extremely annoying, who keep on asking, but never care to report back

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1366788]Took me a while to figure JJ was Jungle Jims. Not sure If I ever went in there.

Quite a few have rooms upstairs. Some girls. Can't go to many regular Hotels but can go to local ST Hotels like Penny Black or upstairs.[/QUOTE]Yep, JJ is a naughty bar. I had HJ, BBBJ in there while sitting in the bar. The girls take turn covering you with their Bathrobes while a lady gives you a Great BBBJ. When she gets tired, another takes over. Got to love BKK bars.

Many tourists go to the Bigger bars like Baccarat, SuzieW, Shark. Completely oblivious to what is happening in the smaller seedier bars like JJ, Fannies, Toy, Moonshine and even Afterschool's Naughty Boy Corner.

I remember making a full report on these bars but can't be bothered to post a link since the forum is acting weird on search and links these days.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;1366762]I'm not a big fan of the a-go-go scene but do go have a look from time to time. I cruised through Soi Cowboy a few nights ago. Had a drink in Suzie Wong's and only saw 2 or 3 that were eye candy. It was a nude shuffle though and 95 baht beer before 9 pm. When finished at Cowboy I came out on Soi 23. I turned right towards Sukhumvit and discovered Twins Bar after a minute or so of walking. I've read about it here on ISG a time or two but retained no details. It's pretty much a hole in the wall bar with a couple of pool tables and about 6 or so girls the night I popped in. They even were playing Thai music, not my thing but it made the girls high energy. I played pool with a 26 yo with a pretty face and a tall slender look. Bought a couple of drinks and was ready to roll out when she suggested short time on the premises. 1500 all in. Paid at the bar before hand and she took me upstairs to a crappy massage layout. Curtained cubicles, mattresses on the floor. Got a one hour all you you could imagine experience. I know that's not everyone's thing but it worked for me at that moment. Her name was Malee and she showed some sagginess when the clothes came off. I know some would give her a miss for that but I'd definitely repeat. Except now I'll have to wait in line. Happy New Year.[/QUOTE]I had a similar experience in Soi 22 a year or more ago. Can't remember the name of the bar but it was the last bar which is on the left side of the soi. It was a strange but nice experience. The girls were not especially good looking but very doable. The one that latched onto me was really into DFK while we were sitting outside where they have tables and chairs set up. Brought me upstairs for a little bump and grind on a mattress on the floor (probably her bed). She was really into it in a slutty way. No shower available but you could sluice yourself down in the toilet. Reminded me of a girl during my late teenage years who would take you upstairs during a party for some no-commitment sex, if you played your cards right. I learned that you did not have to wait for parties but could show up at her house in the afternoon when her mother was at work.

Can't remember what the cost was but I remember thinking that it was cheap for Bangkok. Probably in the region of 1, 000. 1500 baht, if memory serves me right. Plus some lady drinks which were not especially expensive either.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1366695]That's true, but don't forget that due to many moaning newbies (as you call them) , many of the said Veterans were asked 3-4 years ago to migrate to the Expat threads. We were told to vacate the premises and take our discussions elsewhere. I am sure you remember that time don't you?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Syzygies;1366726]Some of us are prepared to help out the newbies, remembering we all had to be newbies at one time. However I prefer to answer or ask fairly specific questions. Very vague questions are obviously difficult and boring.[/QUOTE]I can see your point. Maybe I would be bored / sarcastic as well if I had to read the same "what is the best place in BKK" questions all the time. Other forums are just awful and ISG has helped me out a lot when coming to BKK / HKG / Macau / Yangon for the first time. So it cannot be that bad here.

[QUOTE=Nullnull;1366824]I can see your point. Maybe I would be bored / sarcastic as well if I had to read the same "what is the best place in BKK" questions all the time. Other forums are just awful and ISG has helped me out a lot when coming to BKK / HKG / Macau / Yangon for the first time. So it cannot be that bad here.[/QUOTE]Everything has a way of balancing itself out. I am very sarcastic in my posts, that's me, I am like that (in real life as well) but we are not all that bad. I still write reviews and post usefull stuff once in a while. Many guys want to come here and always get the latest prices an dbest bars and best girls. Understood, many guys have 1 fuck in BKK adn want to make the most of it, but can't the same Newbies Read a couple pages before asking? Many guys start by saying?"Sorry, I have no time to read back but can you tell me blah blah blah" if these guys (who are here for free by the way) can't be bothered to invest a little time to search, why am I going to help them when I already wrote the information a couple pages back? Does that mean the time it took me to write that is less valuable than the time these Freeloaders have to search?

In all fairness, a lot also has to do with the poor Thread system. Very difficult to figure out the best thread to post or search for info.

I found myself back at Som's Haven the other evening. I had some time between appointments and just wanted something quick. Arrived and sat in the lobby. There was a receptionist and someone that seemed like a manager. There was also some German / European guy that was all lovey dovey with a crying worker. He was trying to cheer her up and brought her some gift. I'm asked if I could wait for a few mins. I sit down and wait. And wait. And wait. The manager some over and chats with me and I inquire as to her availability. She says she has to go out somewhere for a booking in 30 mins. I was a bit annoyed and ready to go. A customer comes down with his gal and grabs a drink and sits with the gal. I figure she's done and will soon be direct to me. Same girl as last time so I figured it will be good. His buddy comes down and his girl sits with him. They all sit around drinking and chatting. I thought this was a BJ bar, not a hostess lounge. Anyway, I get up and say bye and the manager thanks me for coming and asks that I come back. She says they don't have enough staff. Now, why would I go back to a place with no staff? Same 3 girls as last time?

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;1366762]I turned right towards Sukhumvit and discovered Twins Bar after a minute or so of walking. I've read about it here on ISG a time or two but retained no details. It's pretty much a hole in the wall bar with a couple of pool tables and about 6 or so girls the night I popped in. They even were playing Thai music, not my thing but it made the girls high energy. I played pool with a 26 yo with a pretty face and a tall slender look. Bought a couple of drinks and was ready to roll out when she suggested short time on the premises. 1500 all in. Paid at the bar before hand and she took me upstairs to a crappy massage layout. Curtained cubicles, mattresses on the floor. Got a one hour all you you could imagine experience. I know that's not everyone's thing but it worked for me at that moment. Her name was Malee and she showed some sagginess when the clothes came off. I know some would give her a miss for that but I'd definitely repeat. Except now I'll have to wait in line. Happy New Year.[/QUOTE]Interesting report, and I see this recommendation from a You Tube video last year. LOL.

"if dirty sex with no shower facilities & only a mattress on the floor turns you one, then the Siamese Twins bar in Sukhumvit Soi 23 is the place for you. The girls seem all to specialize in really nasty fucks. These are some dirty girls, and I'm not talking about hygiene."

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1366781]Interesting, I always thought that you could do the girls on the pool tables in these bars. Did they have Showers?

By the way, Some Bars in SC also have rooms upstairs: JJ for instance.[/QUOTE]No showers, she led me right to the main event. The pool table remark is interesting. I never thought to ask as I recently got kicked out of a Soi 4 bar by enticing a girl into the hong nam to show me her ass before paying bar. Short sighted by the mamasan. Used to be you could do just about anything in these places. I guess Soi 4 is too upscale. JJ might be worth a look. I thought (for my tastes) Twins had a couple of good looking women. I must have missed the "Siam" word in the name that Western refers to.

[QUOTE=Pita123;1366835]I found myself back at Som's Haven the other evening. I had some time between appointments and just wanted something quick. Arrived and sat in the lobby. There was a receptionist and someone that seemed like a manager. There was also some German / European guy that was all lovey dovey with a crying worker. He was trying to cheer her up and brought her some gift. I'm asked if I could wait for a few mins. I sit down and wait. And wait. And wait. The manager some over and chats with me and I inquire as to her availability. She says she has to go out somewhere for a booking in 30 mins. I was a bit annoyed and ready to go. A customer comes down with his gal and grabs a drink and sits with the gal. I figure she's done and will soon be direct to me. Same girl as last time so I figured it will be good. His buddy comes down and his girl sits with him. They all sit around drinking and chatting. I thought this was a BJ bar, not a hostess lounge. Anyway, I get up and say bye and the manager thanks me for coming and asks that I come back. She says they don't have enough staff. Now, why would I go back to a place with no staff? Same 3 girls as last time?[/QUOTE]First of all, I don't really understand the concept of sitting with a hooker and having a conversation / drink after the deed is done in a BJ Bar. What does that achieve? Are people that fucking lonely when they come to Thailand that they have to chat up hookers to pass time?

Second, it looks like the place has absolutely have no clue how to manage a business. When I read your story I immediately thought about MArc from EC (that's Eden Club for the newbies). He was always very straight forward: EC is not a bar, you can't sit and sip your beer unless it's your first time and you need to be explained how the place works. That is a well oiled business. Come in, pick your girls, have fun and leave happpy.

I would understand having a conversation with a girl BEFORE the deed as one may want to test the chemistry, but at the BJ Bar? And I am sure the girls only think about one thing: go back in the Rotation or grab a bite of som tam.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1366472][url]Http://www.bangkokeyes.com/2006aug01.html#ITEML[/url]

See on this Map.

[url]http://goo.gl/maps/cKknL[/url]

I went to the orginal Thermae before it moved in 1996. Was good in those days[/QUOTE]Hi Syz thanks I'll check out the links. I had a pretty good session at Natarree again, somehow I like the happy vibe of the place and the papasan seems really cool. Went to check out Amsterdam later as it was suggested it is similar to Utopia less the farang barfine. Maybe it was late (coming up on 11PM) I didn't think the selection was great. Also found it hard having to walk up to the stage to get closer look at the girls.

Then on to Soi 11 Sukhumvit, the Alot hotel area clubs Levels, Bed Supper, Oskar restaurant. All alive and happening with good local talent. I was told the afterhours club is called Spash or something similar. There are several in the same area. I didn't go as it was getting late and had to be up early to catch a flight next day.

Regarding somebody's mention it is hard to find relevant info sometimes, I agree, there are a lot of discussion about other things like economy etc etc so need to spend long time reading many pages to get an idea what's the situation like in a particular town / country

[QUOTE=Sean EZ;1366895]I was told the afterhours club is called Spash or something similar. There are several in the same area. I didn't go as it was getting late and had to be up early to catch a flight next day.[/QUOTE]Spasso Night Club in the Grand Hyatt Erawan:

[url]http://youtu.be/KzJLjRHGLfY[/url]

And

[url]http://www.kohspot.com/bangkok/spasso-grand-hyatt-erawan/[/url]

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;1366846]No showers, she led me right to the main event.[/QUOTE]Ah, that revives bad memories LOL.

I am not sure many here will remember the GARDEN SPA, Sauna and Massage place at Washington Square (has been closed for a long time now). There was no Shower in the rooms and one girl I took for VIP TTM (means TTM in a private room with a bed and a TV) had a strong Fishy smell "down there". Except this girl's fish had died long ago and she probably left it inside to rot. The smell was almost so strong I was going to puke. The Thai masseuse (young, slim and not bad looking) seemed completely oblivious to the smell (could it be that she sniffs so many time on these inhalers that she lost every sense of smell?).

These small places make it difficult for girls to keep a minimum of Hygiene.

Having said that, Girls at SOL are doing a good job at washing themselves though as I had very clean pussies there.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1366905]Spasso Night Club in the Grand Hyatt Erawan:

[url]http://youtu.be/KzJLjRHGLfY[/url]

And.

[url]http://www.kohspot.com/bangkok/spasso-grand-hyatt-erawan/[/url][/QUOTE]Actually, the after hours club most Levels / Oscar / Qbar-visitors go to these days is Bash.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1366905]Spasso Night Club in the Grand Hyatt Erawan:

[url]http://youtu.be/KzJLjRHGLfY[/url]

And.

[url]http://www.kohspot.com/bangkok/spasso-grand-hyatt-erawan/[/url][/QUOTE]Spasso closes between 2-2:30.

A few after hours clubs are Mixx at the Intercontinental, Insomnia on Sukhumvit 12 (I think it is called Infinity now) , Climax and Bash on Sukhumvit 11.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1366921]There was no Shower in the rooms and one girl I took for VIP TTM (means TTM in a private room with a bed and a TV) had a strong Fishy smell "down there". Except this girl's fish had died long ago and she probably left it inside to rot. The smell was almost so strong I was going to puke.[/QUOTE]This normally indicates her period (time of month). Some have strong stench. Also could be a dose of the clap. Unlikely to be just a simple hygene issue.

[QUOTE=Sean EZ;1366895]Hi Syz thanks I'll check out the links. I had a pretty good session at Natarree again, somehow I like the happy vibe of the place and the papasan seems really cool. Went to check out Amsterdam later as it was suggested it is similar to Utopia less the farang barfine. Maybe it was late (coming up on 11PM) I didn't think the selection was great. Also found it hard having to walk up to the stage to get closer look at the girls.[/QUOTE]Yes Utopia has virtually run out of girls by that late time. Need to go 6PM is better.

The girls here seem to change quickly, but I suspect that just means a rotation between bars with the same owner. These are not farm-fresh!

Regardless, one lady with an amazing hard-body has been working there for a while. She did the trick for a 2k LT enjoyable night and day, even stayed around the next day in my room waiting for me to come back from a morning of golf. (I've known her for years, the room has a safe for my valuables, and the desk takes the I'd card, so not high risk in my mind.)

Definitely a repeat performer out of a less than stellar group.

Enjoy

Wandering around 5am on Dec 22/23, found one girl with a cute face and long perm / wavy hair. Got her back to my room for LT, and an amazing killer body on her (as long as you aren't a boob man). Great, great action in the sack. One of these days I'll make an effort to remember a name or at least snap a picture.

She said she had been with a Japanese guy at Climax most of the night who then ended up taking a different girl home. His loss, my gain.

Enjoy

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1366905]Spasso Night Club in the Grand Hyatt Erawan:

[url]http://youtu.be/KzJLjRHGLfY[/url]

And.

[url]http://www.kohspot.com/bangkok/spasso-grand-hyatt-erawan/[/url][/QUOTE]The club is Bash on soi 11 just above the Australian Pub. Its open till 5 in morning.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1367165]Does anyone get turned off by pencil eraser type nipples? I just can't stand them. LOL.[/QUOTE]As long as there is something to suck on. I don't care.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1367165]Does anyone get turned off by pencil eraser type nipples? I just can't stand them. LOL.[/QUOTE]I seek them out.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1367165]Does anyone get turned off by pencil eraser type nipples? I just can't stand them. LOL.[/QUOTE]What good are tits without nipples you can really suck on?

Encountered some thin pencil eraser nipples the other night that seemed to have a rubbery texture and elongate as I sucked them. Never had anything like it before and I couldn't get enough of them on her picture perfect tits. She let me suck them so long and hard I thought her fucking head was going to cave in from my suction power. Then I duplicated the same awesome power on her lower vertical orifice opening. I almost sucked her clit right off. See my earlier report about Nataree for additional details.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1367165]Does anyone get turned off by pencil eraser type nipples? I just can't stand them. LOL.[/QUOTE]I love natural tits with nipples

Recently picked a SW infront of nana hotel I was under influence of alcohol[not too much ], may be staying at dynasty grande hardly walkable distance made me drink.

More The girl aged around 26 to 30 ok, no children agreed for 1000 baht for 2 shots

Took her to the room her initial enthusiasm and attitude suddenly changed and in bed she was total starfish and she had 2 ceserian sections worse, she had retracted.

Nipples and multple scars over breasts, I got terribly pissed of, due to some reasons I didn't argue with her I let her go. After that episode I am double checking the girl I am intersted in Happy, joyous great mongering new year to nick Frenchy, Syzgies, Duniawala, Skoogies, Luv Puss, Pita 123, Bionocman and Guido of Ls and Mr Jackson.

Enjoy life

[QUOTE=Manliraj;1368410]I love natural tits with nipples[/QUOTE]As opposed to tits without nipples?

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1368460]As opposed to tits without nipples?[/QUOTE] we really miss smileys here as I am sure Tony would have put one at the end of his comment.

[QUOTE=Manliraj; 1368410]Took her to the room her initial enthusiasm and attitude suddenly changed and in bed she was total starfish and she had 2 ceserian sections worse, she had retracted.

Nipples and multple scars over breasts, I got terribly pissed of, due to some reasons I didn't argue with her I let her go. After that episode I am double checking the girl I am intersted in.[/QUOTE]This precisely why I recommend a cowboy bar that has girls dancing completely nude. You don't get any bomb site surprises, and get to see that she has no dick. The trusted bar staff give me thumbs up or thumbs down too (as they know I give them good tips) , and tell me how popular the girls are. E. G. One girl was looking good and dancing great, but my waitress Yao (known for years) gave the thumbs down and said the girl is a drunk and crazy. I believed her and had a great session with other girls. I also reject girls of my own accord (even when recommended) if the chemistry is not right, like she is acting too much, or talks too much, asks for too many drinks, is not my spec, in a hurry, asks for a lot of money, or anything else that seems not quite right. So I get girls that are pretty enough, hot slim bodies, good dancers (mostly) , and come highly recommended. Its very rare to get a bad experience this way, and I get some fabulous times, and based on no price nogotiation I pay them a fair to generous amount based on the performance, amount of effort/hard work and length of time. Everybody comes out happy, and these girls are usually very keen to repeat next time, unless a very important customer (like a generous regular who takes the girl every day) takes precedence.

It costs be a small amount extra in girl drinks and tips, but I cannot afford wasted time, when only limited time in Thailand for mongering. Over time I get to know 6 or more girls in the bar that will perform great for me either alone or in pairs. When one or more is missing there are usually known backups. I sometimes try a new girl if she seems special, and is recommended by someone trust-worthy.

When you know certain girls have special talents, like a super squeezing pussy, its hard to ignore them next time. Its hard for me to reject someone that is an exquisite fuck and they know it.

Sharing with mongers my experience.

It was quite a while, I had been planning on having an orgy. Actually I wanted that for my Birthday last year, but as the quote goes" the best laid plans of men and mice."

This mate of mine had been badgering me for quite a while to arrange "something unforgettable" when he lands in Bangkok, since he too was bored of the normal, wash, fuck pay routine. So I took his commitment for half the amount and go ahead with organizing our little orgy. It was set, he would arrive towards 30 or 31st dec to Bangkok and we would held a small pre introduction of all the girls and us 2 guys, after which we would fuck our way to new year.

I started talking to my regular girls about the same since November, while a few dropped out, I have quite a good collection, who were game for it, as long as we took the normal precautions like changing condoms etc. 6 girls were pulled from various oilies, all with nice shapely asses, as both of us are ass-o-philes or assoholics. LOL. It was agreed the girls would turn up at my place around 3 PM and would leave at 7 PM. Each girl would get 6k.

On 30 Dec, I called on all the girls to meet up and see my friend and also to see the other girls. It was quite a nice Thai dinner with the girls given full permission to order whatever they wanted. While I and my friend were drinking beer and watching the girls opening up to each other, they were going crazy ordering all the Isaan foods at the street side shop we had put up tent for the evening. After dinner was over, we took them out for drinks at another street side bar on suk and we both were literally molested by the 6 girls by turns. My friend had already booked 2 of them in the previous trip, so he too was opening up to all of them.

Around 1 AM we said good bye and we took one girl each for the night, the rest of the girls wanted to party on with their new found friends, so we gave each 500 Bahts to carry on. While we retired.

The night was quite eventful, It was funny when after my first solo session with my girl, I knocked the other bedroom to ask for changing the girl, while they were in the middle of a session. We literally barged into their room, while she was humping him. My mate was still holding onto his shyness and he was shouting at us to go away, but my girl, being the sport went over and fed her melons on his face. It was too much of a temptation to let go, he continued humping both of them in several positions for the next 10 mins, while I got another erection seeing all the flesh around. When he was done, both the girls came over and killed me off right there on the sofa.

In the morning we found ourselves buck naked all on one bed and cuddling upto each other, due to the cold AC. We had another round of swapping, sucking, kisiing etc etc before a big ABF. By now my mate had let go of all his inhibitions and was behaving like a pornstar LOL. The girls complimented him at his energy. The girls were happy at all the attention and I took them to small suitcase having all the stockings, uniforms, accessories to be used later in the day. Both these girls were the more maturer ones who would later direct the show and ask the girls to change into specific dresses.

All the frilly girly uniform and stocking were taken out and laid out on the floor of the pantry, which would become the changing room later in the day.

I already had enough sex since last night, so I was kind of starting to wonder, if all the arrangements were worth it or if it would be a complete waste. Various questions were going around my head "what if the girls developed cold feet? What if they behaved like star fish in front of other girls. Etc.

At around 3 PM the girls started to come.

I and one of the girls took turns to bring them up to the room, from the lobby. I am sure the receptionist and her friends were having a hell of a gossipy day. I would not mind fucking one of the receptionist though, who always gave me the eye. Dunno why. LOL.

As the girls filtered in they were taken around and shown the place by the older girls and all the girls had a sort of shock / amusement when they saw the collection of uniforms and accessories. They were then seated and given their choice of drink and some thai snacks were liberally poured on plates that we had bought with our earlier girls at lunchtime. Remember good food always makes thai girls feel better.

While I was taking sometime to get my snake up, my mate was already exchanging kisses with one of the newer girls. One girl was yet to arrive, It was almost 4 PM and she kept sending me messages about traffic.

My mate was having a nice sensuous time with his young lover on the sofa, right in front of us, not that we were watching, most girls were chattering away in Thai and eating. His hands were groping her boobs while her hand was inside his shorts, Seeing this one of the older girls took 2 girls to change,

I got a message from the last girl that she had arrived and was waiting at the lobby.

When I got back, It was a delight to see 2 girls in their dresses, one wearing a "snowhite" uniform, and the other wearing a playboy bunny rabbit outfit. The playboy bunny was giving a blowjob while kneeling on the carpet and her ass deliciously dangling at me when I entered the room with my last girl. I wanted to head straight at the ass of the playboy bunny, but I was taken away to another seat by a schoolgirl and she straddled my face with her soft Ass which was covered in a white cotton panty. After about minute I found another pair of hands and lips around my pole. It continued a good 10 mins before I call the playboy bunny. We loved exchanging the girls. My old girl came out with a bombshell, fishnet stocking with fluoroscent Gtring inside and a lacy headgear.

We took short break and I came 3 times in the evening, but the fun was in the changing and swapping of girls.

My mate had a swell of a time and back home he is already salivating for one more session as soon as possible.

In the evening we sampled the following

: Schoolgirl,

: Playboy.

: Bride

: Catwoman.

: Snowwhite.

: Stewardess.

: Nurse.

: Lingerie (stockings,)

By 8 PM we were getting over the board and were getting tired, so we finally called the day off, each girl was paid the promised 6K bahts. A few girls wanted dinner, but took pity on us guys, as all we wanted was rest and sleep. 2 girls decided to stay on for little longer, which was of help, as they really cleaned up the place. While leaving at around 1 Am on Jan 1, the girls offered sex, but we both had to deny the free offer 55555+

I retired for a quite night, dunno what my mate did, but he woke me up to a nice coffee the next morning.

I almost felt like a gay, when he came and sat on my bed in his bathrobe LOLOL.

But all in all a great day and the plan went ahead exactly as planned

[QUOTE=AssLover945; 1368524]At around 3 PM the girls started to come.

I and one of the girls took turns to bring them up to the room, from the lobby. I am sure the receptionist and her friends were having a hell of a gossipy day. I would not mind fucking one of the receptionist though, who always gave me the eye. Dunno why. LOL.

As the girls filtered in they were taken around and shown the place by the older girls and all the girls had a sort of shock / amusement when they saw the collection of uniforms and accessories. They were then seated and given their choice of drink and some thai snacks were liberally poured on plates that we had bought with our earlier girls at lunchtime. Remember good food always makes thai girls feel better.

While I was taking sometime to get my snake up, my mate was already exchanging kisses with one of the newer girls. One girl was yet to arrive, It was almost 4 PM and she kept sending me messages about traffic.

My mate was having a nice sensuous time with his young lover on the sofa, right in front of us, not that we were watching, most girls were chattering away in Thai and eating. His hands were groping her boobs while her hand was inside his shorts, Seeing this one of the older girls took 2 girls to change,

I got a message from the last girl that she had arrived and was waiting at the lobby.

When I got back, It was a delight to see 2 girls in their dresses, one wearing a "snowhite" uniform, and the other wearing a playboy bunny rabbit outfit. The playboy bunny was giving a blowjob while kneeling on the carpet and her ass deliciously dangling at me when I entered the room with my last girl. I wanted to head straight at the ass of the playboy bunny, but I was taken away to another seat by a schoolgirl and she straddled my face with her soft Ass which was covered in a white cotton panty. After about minute I found another pair of hands and lips around my pole. It continued a good 10 mins before I call the playboy bunny. We loved exchanging the girls. My old girl came out with a bombshell, fishnet stocking with fluoroscent Gtring inside and a lacy headgear.

We took short break and I came 3 times in the evening, but the fun was in the changing and swapping of girls.

My mate had a swell of a time and back home he is already salivating for one more session as soon as possible.

In the evening we sampled the following

: Schoolgirl,

: Playboy.

: Bride

: Catwoman.

: Snowwhite.

: Stewardess.

: Nurse.

: Lingerie (stockings,)

By 8 PM we were getting over the board and were getting tired, so we finally called the day off, each girl was paid the promised 6K bahts. A few girls wanted dinner, but took pity on us guys, as all we wanted was rest and sleep. 2 girls decided to stay on for little longer, which was of help, as they really cleaned up the place. While leaving at around 1 Am on Jan 1, the girls offered sex, but we both had to deny the free offer 55555+

I retired for a quite night, dunno what my mate did, but he woke me up to a nice coffee the next morning.

I almost felt like a gay, when he came and sat on my bed in his bathrobe LOLOL.

But all in all a great day and the plan went ahead exactly as planned[/QUOTE]Wow, what a story! I'm celebrating New Years with you next year!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1367107]This normally indicates her period (time of month). Some have strong stench. Also could be a dose of the clap. Unlikely to be just a simple hygene issue.[/QUOTE]As often as not a yeast infection. Common, and with a nasty sour odor.

[quote=pita123;1366835]i found myself back at som's haven the other evening. i had some time between appointments and just wanted something quick. arrived and sat in the lobby. there was a receptionist and someone that seemed like a manager. there was also some german / european guy that was all lovey dovey with a crying worker. he was trying to cheer her up and brought her some gift. i'm asked if i could wait for a few mins. i sit down and wait. and wait. and wait. the manager some over and chats with me and i inquire as to her availability. she says she has to go out somewhere for a booking in 30 mins. i was a bit annoyed and ready to go. a customer comes down with his gal and grabs a drink and sits with the gal. i figure she's done and will soon be direct to me. same girl as last time so i figured it will be good. his buddy comes down and his girl sits with him. they all sit around drinking and chatting. i thought this was a bj bar, not a hostess lounge. anyway, i get up and say bye and the manager thanks me for coming and asks that i come back. she says they don't have enough staff. now, why would i go back to a place with no staff? same 3 girls as last time?[/quote]rolled in there last night about midnite with a buddy. three girls available. the chick who appeared to be the manager was catnapping on a sofa. two of the three available doable, though certainly not outstanding lookers. i can see where this place can be very hit or miss. shortstaffed and not much structure. on the other hand, a super relaxed vibe about the place and the girls we had showed great talent and motivation. no tired performances. nice digs upstairs and not the curtain enclosures a la [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s.

my girl was all portals open and after the deed (with a big grin) she said,"i can do two boys at the same time". i bet you can you little dickens.

[QUOTE=Catbird;1368880]As often as not a yeast infection. Common, and with a nasty sour odor.[/QUOTE]Yes "Thrush" (Candida) is a common infection. Girls should wash with vinegar or one of those very mildly acidic "fem" washes like Lactycid. Soap is not a great thing to use on pussy unless mild (as it is typically alkaline). Guys can use those special washes too to help protect against thrush. Fungal infections are easy to pick up in sticky environment and specially for guys not showering often enough and not changing underwear when sticky. Can be passed on from guys to girls too. Reduced sugar in diet helps.

I am somewhat expert due to ex wife having thrush often and blaming me. Actually her own hygene was poor. Hence I never did DATY on her as did not smell nice. Hence I switched to like Asian girls who are generally very clean compared to Farangs, among other pluses.

Guys with thrush may have scaly skin or may be rather itchy. Canesten cream is a treatment.

A period stench can be far worse than a Candida odour. Candida odour is not so powerful as puke or pass out material typically, unless you get really close. I have the experience. A period stink can be pass out material from 2 metres away, for girls that it is really bad.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1368916]Yes "Thrush" (Candida) is a common infection. Girls should wash with vinegar or one of those very mildly acidic "fem" washes like Lactycid. Soap is not a great thing to use on pussy unless mild (as it is typically alkaline). Guys can use those special washes too to help protect against thrush. Fungal infections are easy to pick up in sticky environment and specially for guys not showering often enough and not changing underwear when sticky. Can be passed on from guys to girls too. Reduced sugar in diet helps.

I am somewhat expert due to ex wife having thrush often and blaming me. Actually her own hygene was poor. Hence I never did DATY on her as did not smell nice. Hence I switched to like Asian girls who are generally very clean compared to Farangs, among other pluses.

Guys with thrush may have scaly skin or may be rather itchy. Canesten cream is a treatment.

A period stench can be far worse than a Candida odour. Candida odour is not so powerful as puke or pass out material typically, unless you get really close. I have the experience. A period stink can be pass out material from 2 metres away, for girls that it is really bad.[/QUOTE]Where can you buy Canesten cream and in what strength? I see it comes in 1% and 2% doseage. The active ingredient appears to be Clortrimazole which is available commonly in over the counter medications in the US.

I read one comment from someone using Canesten cream that it worked better than Clortrimazone or Lotromin.

"Using this product as indicated cured my candida yeast infection. I was able to begin seeing positive results after 6 days. I had attempted to treat the problem unsuccessfully with Tinactin Antifungal 15g and Lotrimin AF Anti-fungal Cream. Interestingly enough Lotrimin and Canesten Cream contain the same active ingredient: "Clotrimazole," although Lotrimin is 1% and Canesten 2. Lotrimin irritated and dried out my skin, Canesten didn't."

Your advice is appreciated.

[QUOTE=Rodwint2; 1368950]Where can you buy Canesten cream and in what strength? I see it comes in 1% and 2% doseage. The active ingredient appears to be Clortrimazole which is available commonly in over the counter medications in the US.

I read one comment from someone using Canesten cream that it worked better than Clortrimazone or Lotromin.

"Using this product as indicated cured my candida yeast infection. I was able to begin seeing positive results after 6 days. I had attempted to treat the problem unsuccessfully with Tinactin Antifungal 15g and Lotrimin AF Anti-fungal Cream. Interestingly enough Lotrimin and Canesten Cream contain the same active ingredient: "Clotrimazole," although Lotrimin is 1% and Canesten 2. Lotrimin irritated and dried out my skin, Canesten didn't."

Your advice is appreciated.[/QUOTE]Canesten cream 1% is available in any pharmacy

[QUOTE=Pimpa;1368964]Canesten cream 1% is available in any pharmacy[/QUOTE]Sorry, I forgot to mention in what country is it avaiable. I live in the US.

[QUOTE=Rodwint2; 1368950]Where can you buy Canesten cream and in what strength? I see it comes in 1% and 2% doseage. The active ingredient appears to be Clortrimazole which is available commonly in over the counter medications in the US.[/QUOTE]Any pharmacy.

I would add that for any guy who has had a fungal infection, prevention is better than cure. That is why I say, don't use a cake of soap in the crotch area. Yeast likes Alkaline. Use a neutral shower gel, or better still maybe once per day one of the special crotch wash products that are slightly acidic. I use that in a very small bottle. I believe yeast cannot grow in slightly acid medium.

Also keep your crotch dry. If damp from sweat, change undies. Wash often. Once per day is not enough in Thailand sticky weather. Underwear should not be made of synthetic substances. Cotton is fine (or no underwear if you are a Scott).

Sorry I suppose would be better in the general thread.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1369187]Any pharmacy.

I would add that for any guy who has had a fungal infection, prevention is better than cure. That is why I say, don't use a cake of soap in the crotch area. Yeast likes Alkaline. Use a neutral shower gel, or better still maybe once per day one of the special crotch wash products that are slightly acidic. I use that in a very small bottle. I believe yeast cannot grow in slightly acid medium.

Also keep your crotch dry. If damp from sweat, change undies. Wash often. Once per day is not enough in Thailand sticky weather. Underwear should not be made of synthetic substances. Cotton is fine (or no underwear if you are a Scott).

Sorry I suppose would be better in the general thread.[/QUOTE]Thank you.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1368970]A nice farang boy ask how much short time is? She say 2, 500 several times, spoken word and hand language. Farang offers 2, 000. Girl says cannot. LOL.[/QUOTE]Sometimes quoting a (too) high price is their polite way of saying no without saying "no".

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1368970]I'm appaledatwhat I just witnessed!

It is my contention 2nd-4th tier girls leave a ton of baht on the table by overpricing themselves.

A dark skin, very average face, grim demeanor kind of girl. I'd put her in the 3rd tier (very few barfines). Only good quality is she does have nice tits. LOL.[/QUOTE]Nice tits, even any tits at all, are relatively hard to come by in LOS, hence the surcharge. Try Brazil or Germany if that's what you're into.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1368970]A nice farang boy ask how much short time is? She say 2, 500 several times, spoken word and hand language. Farang offers 2, 000. Girl says cannot. LOL.[/QUOTE]Could this boys name start with H. Better luck next time Harry.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1368970]Now a tier 1 girl can hold out and in 20-30 minutes get the 2, 500, but not a lower tiered girl.[/QUOTE]Then PP comes along & counter offers 3000 for great service. 4000 plus tip for 2 hours.

Why waste your time with lame ducks.

Okay fellas, got an opinion type question here I want to ask. Thing of it is I've been to prague and had a pretty good time. The reports of my trip are a few months old in this forum. Was there summer 2012. Because of the good time I had, I want to go back. But say you only had a little over a week and just one place to choose, would you go back to prague or would you pick some other mongering type city like Bangkok? I was thinking of vienna, but I want a sure thing, a sure and affordable thing. I know overall Bangkok is cheaper than prague but I'm more partial to white chicks than asians. The only reason why Bangkok is even a consideration is because of the cost. For 2 to 3 hours with a chick in prague I could have a Bangkok working girl for 12 to 24 hours. I don't know, I feel like I missed out on a few places and privats that I wanted to try last time I was in prague, I literally fucked chicks up until the morning I had to catch my plane out, I was so freaking exhausted. If it wasn't for the viagra pills I found there was no way I could have done it. So question is given what you know, time and budget, which would you pick? Bangkok or prague?

I've got just enough money to make this one trip, and once it's done, I go back to the daily grind and probably won't be able to make another one for a good long time. Maybe another year at least. I put the two cities as options because at the end of the day the cost will come around to be the same. It'll cost more to fly and stay in Bangkok but the cheapness of the ladies will offset that while in prague its cheaper for me to fly there and stay but the cost of ladies will of course add to that, so in the end it'll come out to be about the same. The main difference though and this is something that I think my fellow mongers can help me with is the amount of time spent with the ladies. I'm not much of an overnighter with the girls, the longest I've been with an escort is 6 hours. Never actually woken up in the morning next to one is what I'm saying. I'm a short time type of fella, my age is a contributing factor too, I just don't have the stamina either and I felt like in my time with the chicks in prague, there wasn't much going in terms of chemistry and their english wasn't great, so the 2 to 3 hours I had with each was enough. I imagined if I spent more time with them I'd just be bored past the initial fucking session, sure, maybe we'd fuck again but then what? I didn't like how if I had a late night session with some of them, they'd pretend to be asleep for the last 30 minutes of so.

Which begs the question if I'm in Thailand, and I pay for 12 hours, depending on when the date actually begins, I can end up watching my date be asleep for 8 of those hours. Whats the point of that? If Bangkok is to be a viable option it'll need to be 24 hours obviously, and from the research I've done it's definitely viable cost wise. It's still cheaper than prague by a mile, but then again those ladies aren't caucasian. The other thing I want to consider is the 'warmth' factor. Regardless of the good time I had in prague, overall I would say the chicks were kind of cold and a little aloof, maybe it's a Czech thing, maybe it was me, but I want to get as close as possible to the 'GFE' experience. Again, from what I've read, Bangkok chicks have that in spades. Not even necessarily the bar girls but some of the more well reviewed escorts.

This is all strictly chick based though, I don't really care about sight seeing. Wherever I'm going for the 7 or so days, it'll just be fucking everyday. But that makes me think as well. If possible I'd like to bring the women out and in prague its just a little too pricey for that. 3 or 4 hours is fine, but its just enough time for a bite to eat and then back to the hotel to fuck. I did that with a girl form best-privat and there was hardly 2 hours left to fuck her back at my room. I suppose if I had the whole day with a Bangkok chick we could catch a movie, visit some bars, etc, go back and fuck, go out again, then fuck again before bed. Wake up then fuck again. I mean in all honesty, does it matter if she's not Czech?

So, what do you think fellas? Bangkok or prague? I asked the same question in the prague forum.

[QUOTE=Newton York;1369606]So, what do you think fellas? Bangkok or prague? I asked the same question in the prague forum.[/QUOTE]Seems like a silly question. If you like Thai girls, you should try Bangkok. If you prefer white girls, don't bother.

Even when mongering in Europe, I would still do Thai and Japanese girls, as some of them really appealed to me and they performed very well indeed.

I knew I liked asian girls since I was a young boy, e. G. Movie star Nancy Kwan, Viet girl in "South Pacific" (France Nguyen) and who can forget the bond movie "You Only Live Twice" (Akiko Wakabayashi).

[url]http://www.bondcollectibles.de/catalogue/results.php?role=13&film=6&actor=289[/url]

Either you like them or you don't. Now Czech does have some very pretty girls and Prague is a beautiful city.

[QUOTE=Newton York; 1369606](snip)... which would you pick? Bangkok or prague?



This is all strictly chick based though, I don't really care about sight seeing. Wherever I'm going for the 7 or so days, it'll just be fucking everyday. But that makes me think as well. If possible I'd like to bring the women out and in prague its just a little too pricey for that. 3 or 4 hours is fine, but its just enough time for a bite to eat and then back to the hotel to fuck. I did that with a girl form best-privat and there was hardly 2 hours left to fuck her back at my room. I suppose if I had the whole day with a Bangkok chick we could catch a movie, visit some bars, etc, go back and fuck, go out again, then fuck again before bed. Wake up then fuck again. I mean in all honesty, does it matter if she's not Czech?

So, what do you think fellas? Bangkok or prague? I asked the same question in the prague forum.[/QUOTE]Bangkok.

The reason is that you have already been to Prague, and the only way for you to know is to go do BKK for yourself, none of us here can tell you what you ultimately will prefer. I would put it down to. You'll never ever know if you never ever go.

FWIW I go to Prague every year, and stop over in Bangkok or Pattaya on the way. I like both places for sex (BKK is a dump imo) , but trying to compare is sort of like asking us to tell you whether you should have a steak or a chicken dish for your next meal. Perhaps I might suggest that if you are into the more, ahem, 'interesting lifestyle' choices, then more is available in BKK or Pattaya than Prague, and you get a longer time for your money in BKK, but you already know that.

On the other hand, if you are after the full GFE, then maybe you should also check out Angeles City (or Subic) in the Philippines. (Mind you, I will probably get some stick for mentioning that country in this forum, LOL). There are some advantages for someone who is looking to take the girls out to movies etc etc ( as you have pointed out you are after) in the Phils. However, if you wish to pursue that, better go to the Philippine Islands forums here.

[QUOTE=Newton York; 1369606]Okay fellas, got an opinion type question here I want to ask.

So, what do you think fellas? Bangkok or prague? I asked the same question in the prague forum.[/QUOTE]With the amount of a 2-3hrs in Czech you can bang quite many girls in BKK, taking multiple ST during the day. This way you don't have to watch her sleep. LT is valuable if there is some chemistry and for the morning wake up.

I doubt many Thai girls will go for a whole night sex marathon. Some will, but it is a lucky chance.

Nana area will offer FL rund the clock, so you will find a girl at any time.

Some ST girls account over 2hrs for that, others 1 hour, or 1 pop. Negotiate first.

BKK has a mongering life on 24/7 basis and if you enjoy pussy just hang around lower sukhumvit. You can enjoy girl company in the pubs or in the gogo. Or go to a club, a disco, Bangkok Beat, Gulliver, normal joints where you can still pick up a girl for as long as you wish. Also soapies and oilies. Not to mention other opportunities that, in a way, you will not find anywhere else.

You will not get bored.

Hotels are GF and nobody will, care if you bring two girls back.

Adultland to see and enjoy.

I reckon Prague is more escorts or strip joints. Nothing much happens at the sun / moonlight. All inside.

BKK beauty is that it is all happenings quite openly and in a cool way.

Seems part of the culture.

I would experience BKK at leat once, if I were you. Sticking to Thai girls.

Don't make the mistake to go to BKK in search of EE girl: there are of course (rajah hotel, the most known spot) but it doesn't make sense to me, unless you live in that side of the world and never venture to the old Continent.

Are you sure hotel cost between Prague and BKK are comparable? Girls and food will be cheaper, transport as well. Drinks, even if mildly inflated by the bars willing to earn from farangs, are more affordable.

BKK will also give your more "vacation" feeling that a city as Prague.

[quote=harold444; 1369602]finally i can agree with pink panther on something. ample tits and thai girls don't go together. lo. l. so many great faced girls with good personality just have no boobs. i automatically won't take these for lack of them. lol.

and no silicone doesn't help. it justt makes them look like freaks![/quote]harold, thank you for introducing me to two first time experiences. 1. being able to understand your post the first time i read it 2. actually agreeing with what you have posted. i count myself fortunate in that i actually prefer small breasts. bangkok must be a bit of a nightmare for guys who are into big breasted women. my point of agreement with harold is that some implants look like two grapefruit's stuck onto an ironing board, which look about as far from natural as you can get.

p. s his name is pink pearl.

regards,

bj

[QUOTE=Newton York;1369606]I know overall Bangkok is cheaper than prague but I'm more partial to white chicks than asians[/QUOTE]That may be the strongest argument to choose for Prague. How much fun will it be to go with an Asian lady when you are not really into them?

[QUOTE=Newton York;1369606]I'm not much of an overnighter with the girls, the longest I've been with an escort is 6 hours. Never actually woken up in the morning next to one is what I'm saying. I'm a short time type of fella, my age is a contributing factor too, I just don't have the stamina either and I felt like in my time with the chicks in prague, there wasn't much going in terms of chemistry and their english wasn't great, so the 2 to 3 hours I had with each was enough. I imagined if I spent more time with them I'd just be bored past the initial fucking session, sure, maybe we'd fuck again but then what?[/QUOTE]Don't overestimate the English language skills of the average Thai WG (or the average Thai). Don't expect her to hold any meaningful conversation with you. Taking her out LT and going for some food is generally no problem. Usually we pick some food from one of the many food stalls on the streets on our way back to the hotel. Going to a proper restaurant with a WG is not something I ever thought about and AFAIK is not something usually done or expected. You take them out their bars and clubs to fuck them. For everything else, get yourself a GF.

[QUOTE=Newton York;1369606]Which begs the question if I'm in Thailand, and I pay for 12 hours, depending on when the date actually begins, I can end up watching my date be asleep for 8 of those hours. Whats the point of that?[/QUOTE]Well, that is exactly what is expected. Walk the bars and agogo clubs in the (early) evening (say around 8PM) and get your companion for the night. Bring her to your hotel, make love to her once or twice, go to sleep and do it once more in the morning. That is the way it is expected by all. It suits me very well, combines fun in a leisurely way, still allows for a good night's sleep and I can spend the day visiting more touristy places.

[QUOTE=Newton York;1369606]If Bangkok is to be a viable option it'll need to be 24 hours obviously, and from the research I've done it's definitely viable cost wise.[/QUOTE]"Cost wise" it is possible, but I do not see what extra benefit this brings. At least I cannot stay sexually active for 24 hours at a stretch. Don't forget that most of these Thai WG are not born and bred in Bangkok and probably have seen less of the city than the average tourist. I don't think they will be very good tour guides.

[QUOTE=Newton York;1369606]It's still cheaper than prague by a mile, but then again those ladies aren't caucasian.[/QUOTE]That's the second time you mention you are not really attracted to Asian girls. I'm not attracted to Eastern European girls (I have seen them enough in German clubs and although I have tried them, they do not specifically arouse me) , so I do not make a mongering trip to Prague or Kiev or ... I know it will only end in disappointment.

[QUOTE=Newton York;1369606]The other thing I want to consider is the 'warmth' factor. Regardless of the good time I had in prague, overall I would say the chicks were kind of cold and a little aloof, maybe it's a Czech thing, maybe it was me, but I want to get as close as possible to the 'GFE' experience. Again, from what I've read, Bangkok chicks have that in spades. Not even necessarily the bar girls but some of the more well reviewed escorts.[/QUOTE]The escorts are probably the worst option if you are looking for GFE. If we can believe lots of reports here on escorts, they are far less beautiful than their (photoshopped) pictures on the web-sites. There is no guarantee you get the woman you ordered and the escort agencies are really only in it for the money.

But generally Thai women are by their very nature, culture and upbringing, friendly and welcoming, so you stand a good chance to meet friendly WGs. It is not just a role they play. In Thai culture, if possibe everything one does should be "sanuck" (meaning "funny","happy") and having / providing sex for money is no exception. Even if the major part of the time you spend with your LT companion is not spend in having sex, just sleeping with a little brown spinner in my arms gives me the nicest of dreams and makes me wake up with strong wood to give her a memorable "farewell" fuck.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1369746]That may be the strongest argument to choose for Prague. How much fun will it be to go with an Asian lady when you are not really into them?[/QUOTE]You hit the nail on the head! For that reason Alone I would suggest you do Prague.

Unless you really want to force yourself to try asians but, ny opinion: Stick to prague.

White chicks in BKK are way below average so there isn't even a consolation prize if you don't like thai girls.

For shear mongering Thailand by far.

But, if you want white women, Prague was OK for me. I actually like Budapest better. A little grittier which is more my style.

The majority of the places in Prague are going to be Apartments. There are many of them but they ae fairly spread out throughout the city. There are some very attractive girls there. The problem I found is that it is hit and miss on getting into these places. It seems they shut down at odd times, and sometimes are just crowded and tell you to come back later.

But I think these places are worth a trip to experience. I personally would not go back just to monger.

[QUOTE=Newton York;1369606]I've got just enough money to make this one trip, and once it's done, I go back to the daily grind and probably won't be able to make another one for a good long time. Maybe another year at least.[/QUOTE]Since I believe you've said you're in the states and you're now willing to consider asian girls, following Rick Rock's theory of (supposed) vast armies of ultra hot low cost (including BBBJ available) K girls in AMPs, how come you're not putting your hotel and airfare money into increasing your domestic level banging volume, which seems to be your main focus anyways?

[quote=newton york;1369606]this is all strictly chick based though, i don't really care about sight seeing. wherever i'm going for the 7 or so days, it'll just be fucking everyday. but that makes me think as well. if possible i'd like to bring the women out and in prague its just a little too pricey for that. 3 or 4 hours is fine, but its just enough time for a bite to eat and then back to the hotel to fuck. i did that with a girl form best-privat and there was hardly 2 hours left to fuck her back at my room. i suppose if i had the whole day with a bangkok chick we could catch a movie, visit some bars, etc, go back and fuck, go out again, then fuck again before bed. wake up then fuck again. i mean in all honesty, does it matter if she's not czech?[/quote]lol and you say you're older now? i recall a story somewhere where they said some millionaire would go to bangkok and have 6 women at a time, and i believe they were talking about the pre condom era. ignoring locals, i would think there must be an unofficial visitor record (farang or east asian) of some type, for number of different women (with at least one shot each) in a week. probably an **** 30 super rich guy using the hottest women available. maybe 50 girls in a week? as for shots optional, it would seem only limited by funds and logistics, and fear of contracting something, using condoms or otherwise.

[quote=western787;1370272]lol and you say you're older now? i recall a story somewhere where they said some millionaire would go to bangkok and have 6 women at a time, and i believe they were talking about the pre condom era. ignoring locals, i would think there must be an unofficial visitor record (farang or east asian) of some type, for number of different women (with at least one shot each) in a week. probably an **** 30 super rich guy using the hottest women available. maybe 50 girls in a week? as for shots optional, it would seem only limited by funds and logistics, and fear of contracting something, using condoms or otherwise.[/quote]first. i am a sex addict. if you want to judge me and hate me, go ahead. i don't get drunk or do drugs, so this is my vice.

you don't have to be a millionare to fuck 6 girls at a time in bangkok. i have not done at one time, but have had 6 in one day.

i once fucked all 4 girls at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s in phuket in 60 mins. they thought i was crazy which is probably true as i yelled out "next" after i finished with each girl.

i am not cumming everytime, but just love to fuck and have my cock sucked. for hours.

i am almost 60 years old. i have and never keep track of how much i spend.

i sometimes lose track of the numbers on a 2 weeks trip. when i come next week, i will start a count and make a report. if anybody cares.

Thanks to everyone for your input, I appreciate it fellas. I'm taking my time mulling things over. In a perfect world I'd do both places in a single trip. To be fair though never having been to Bangkok how would I know if it's awesome or not right? Man, so many choices, so little time and cash. It sounds like Bangkok has a lot more options too when it comes to mongering. Everything from massage places to escorts to go go bars. No doubt though when it comes to cost Bangkok makes more sense. I agree though, it does boil down to if I like the asian chicks or not. I've had some before in the past, and they're fine, pussy is pussy after all. But something about prague makes me feel unsettled. Like I got to go back again. I wonder if I go to Bangkok I'll feel like that. It could be all the options available. If prague makes me feel like I want to go back again because of the chicks I didn't try out, I can't imagine how Bangkok would make me feel, probably like I'd never want to leave. Asking this same question in the prague forum, someone mentioned fkk's and that's something I've been wanting to try out too. I didn't use to monger on a regular basis, a working girl here and then, it wasn't the 'hobby' for me yet some years back but then I just slowly got into this thing where I'd fly to a city to just monger. Sure I'd take in the sights but that was secondary to the working girls. That's how I knew when it became a hobby for me, when going to a foreign city meant the girls first, sites second. Man, its times like these I wish I was younger and richer.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1370354]I am almost 60 years old.[/quote]Damn you're a dinosaur.

[quote]I have and never keep track of how much I spend.[/quote]Seeing as you don't indulge in high end places, I'd say I also would not have to worry about expenses at all.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1370836]Damn you're a dinosaur.

Seeing as you don't indulge in high end places, I'd say I also would not have to worry about expenses at all.[/QUOTE]Yes, I am an old fart. But I actually fuck much more now than when I was 30. So it aint so bad.

it will be my second time.without wife- in bangkok soon, unfortunately again only two nights. just started reading thru the last 3 months of postings, find this forum very useful and much fun, always a nice preparation for my forthcoming trips.

i admit due to my laziness and english not being my mother language i did not contribute as much as i could so far but like to give sth back, maybe someone cares to read.

day1.

arrived bkk airport 7 am coming from 1 day stopover in doha / qatar.

called miss "n" when i arrived at my hotel, majestic suites, lower sukhumvit, within 20 min she showed up.

i found miss "n" on dia. i am a fan of dating sites and dated more than 100 girls in around 30 countries, mostly in africa and europe, but some in asia too. i like a special mix of girls during my trips, hardcore, freelancer,"normal" girls.

on dating sites i concentrate on "decent", young ones, in the range of 18 to 22. miss "n" is an office girl and i believe her. she sent me pics from her office and workmates, as well as nude ones after we chatted and exchanged mails for a while and confidence built up gradually.

she claimed i was the second guy she was going to meet from dia. we fixed the price beforehand. 4.000 be, which seems a bit much for me but i accepted and the date was worth every baht i must say.

she was 22, cute and superfriendly. and turned out to be a sex maniac, horny as hell and willing to do almost anything i could imagine. even stuff i did not imagine. for instance i got the longest and deepest ass licking of my life, deep throat sucking for hours, i need not mention the different positions during our sessions but i like to mention that she was bringing some vegetables, not for eating, hehe. and in round 4 she finally asked me to use violence and pretend to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] her (i refused to do that).

after 6 hours i had to force her to get home since i wanted to go out alone and see the songkran crazyness on the streets.

strolled thru the streets round sukhumvit.

5 pm.

went to annies, for a soapie, selection was bad, probably due to songkran, i took the only doable girl, sth like ai was her name, am not experienced in soapies so i can only say that i had quite a good time but was not overwhelmed, ai was tall and slim, but nice medium sized boobs, she managed to make me cum once, which actually was my cum no 4 this day, damage was 2. 500 + 300 tip.

headed to siam sq, for dinner at siam paragon food court, suddenly wishing n. joining me, why did i sent her away?

9 pm.

checked out most of the go-go places at soi cowboy, had some beers, watched the shows, spotted 1 or 2 cuties in nearly every bar, but did not take any, though had a good time, liked rawhide, suzie wong, baccara most.

midnight

went to nana plaza, checked some bars, can't recall the names but somehow didn't get the vibe there,

1. 30am.

walked on sukhumvit, met two african girls sitting on a corner, spent the next 3 hours drinking, laughing and talking about uganda, which i know quite well.

one girl war super ugly, the other one, miss "i", supersexy, she used me as her watchdog when she was going to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url], to a lady toilet besides a nearby supermarket or later just round the corner behind cars. i took some tissue and allowed myself to clean her pussy.

5 am.

went back to my hotel alone, the girls seemed to be too drunk to have fun and i wanted to save some sexual power for day 2.

day 2.

10. 30 am.

went to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], had a little chat with the girls, choosed the less ugly looking girl of them, well. girl might not be the correct word.

bj was good but i didn't like the tiny place with only a curtain and the moaning of another customer nearby, did the job myself after a while, she opened her mouth widely and swallowed all.

damage 700 for bj plus a small tip.

did some touristic stuff, boat trip on the chao praya, national palace, what po, later enjoyed songkran.

teenie band at siam sq.

called "n", but she was not able to come, her father returned from the province today and she had to join the party home.

she regretted a lot since she told me she had never been to sukhumvit area before and would be curious checking out gogo bars like the ones at soi cowboy or nana one day.

5 pm.

stopped at nana car park, nothing caught my eyes.

8 pm.

nana plaza, then soi cowboy, met a pushy mamasan at sahara, she beckoned on a girl to come to me that looked younger than my 16 year old daughter at home, mamasan said 1. 400 bf because of songkran. oh no, no way.

checked out bangkok beat on soi 7 later.

11 pm.

called miss "i", the african girl from last night, she rushed from khaosan area, we had a beer on the street then went to climax club and had a great time despite the poor band, the atmosphere was nice but no comparison to what would be going on in a club like this in freetown, kampala, accra, maputo etc.

2. 30 am.

went back to my hotel with miss "i", had a nice round 1 with everything i like, hot and long kissing, teasing and licking each other, bbbj, daty, fucking 2 or 3 positions, after we both came she immediately fell asleep. too bad since i had to wake her up after 30 minutes.

4. 30 am.

checked out, gave miss "i" 2000 be and took taxi to the airport, for my early morning airasia flight to yangon.

ok, gentlemen, that was my time during songkran 2012.

to be continued later in 2013.

cheers,

wt69

[QUOTE=Wild Thing 69;1370912]I admit due to my laziness and english not being my mother language I did not contribute as much as I could so far but like to give sth back, maybe someone cares to read.[/QUOTE]Great Report, Thanks for sharing

A buddy of mine dragged me into Shock 39 after drinking at a hip Thai hangout on Ramkhamhaeng. Talk about going from the Penthouse to the Outhouse! I would AVOID this place like the plague and stick to classier nightclubs, Insomnia, Mixx, SD.

The place had a nasty smell inside, almost like fried chicken

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1364679]That's an interesting post. And I remember a few years back a discussion about "Classes within the P4P girls", you know, like the Coyotes look down on the Bargirls and the Bargirls look down on Streetwalkers. There is a clear hierarchy between these girls as some of them don't even consider themselves to be prostitutes and make fun of other girls doing it.

I think the hierarchy may go like this (but I can be wrong) :

- Coyote girls / G Club girls.

- Freelance ladies from Hotel bars or after hours clubs, Open minded Waitresses.

- Hi-class Massage Soapies.

- Soapies in General.

- Oilies.

- Bargirls.

- BJ Bars.

- Streetwalkers.

Any other opinions on this?[/QUOTE]HIERARCHY OF BEAUTY AMONG P4P IN BANGKOK.

1. Street walkers bused up for the day from Beach Road, Pattaya to get away from "no good Ch eap Charlies"

2. Any street walkers working near railroad tracks in Bangkok.

3. Street walkers working Lupini Park or other similar locations.

4. SOL girls or girls at similar shops (except Dr BJ's)

5. Nana back alley soi girls

6. Most Nana street walkers.

7. Other streetwalkers.

8. Girls working in Ex Pat owned sports bars.

9. Most Beer bar girls.

10. Freelances in Thermae, and Beer Garden Soi 7/1 typical girls.

11. Most girls in small shop massage parlours.

12. Larger shops message girls not already booked or who are actually there.

13. Larger shop message girls who actually look like photos.

14. Girls in Japanese Korokes.

15. Typical go-go dancers and girls working in Patpong, Nana, and Soi Cowboy.

16. Girls working in Dead Artists Soi 33.

17. Escorts in general except low cost shops.

18. Higher end Go-go girls, such as in Rainbow 4 (Nana) , Baccara (Soi Cowboy) , and other locales19. Freelancers in places like CM2.

20. Girls in top-class message (soapies) like Poseidon (models floor) The Lord, La Belle and others.

21. Legitimate massage girls in actual spas in 5 star hotels, but who sometimes (off time) meet wi th select clients, especially guys from Germany staying in most expensive suites.

22. Pegasus Exclusive Club girls, but only if you arrive early and look like you plan to dump a boatl oad of cash.

23. Hostesses in Gentlemen Clubs (G-clubs) who are called 'PR girls'

24. Coyote dancers in RCA and Thai-style clubs.

25. Coyote dancers in Go Gos that don't barfine, except very rarely.

26 Especially silly promotional girls usually working new condo, new mall openings, or promoting and on-booze related products. Like at Terminal 21.

27. Promotional girls working for booze companies or at trade shows (called 'Pretties' in Thailand)

28. Regular models in trade (e. G car) shows.

29. Select ultra top-end models in trade shows, often placed with most expensive vehicles.

30. FHM or MAX type girls doing club promotions like at The Pimp Club.

31. Glamour models of all kinds including FHM or MAXM girls.

32. Models, pop stars, actresses.

33. Special private stock girls put up in various apartments by very wealthy Thai. Japanese or Chi nese businessmen. Usually only seen shopping, at beauty parlours, headed to private penthou se level parties, or going or arriving at airport, sometimes on private planes.

(based on "Tofi" response to Yahoo question 5 years back, but with extreme modifications added by myself.just for kicks)

1. Street walkers in places like Lumpini and Sukhumvit.

2. Thermae, Grace Hotel and Beer Garden Soi 7/1 typical girls.

3. Most girls working in most massage parlors.

4. Go-go dancers and girls working in Patpong.

5. Freelancers in places like CM2, Hard Rock.

6. Go-go dancers and girls working in Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy.

7. Freelancers in places like Qbar, Spassos.

8. Massage girls in top-class establishments like Poseidon (models floor)

9. Hostesses in Gentlemen Clubs (G-clubs) who are called 'PR girls'

10. Coyote dancers in RCA and Thai-style clubs.

11. Coyote dancers in G-clubs.

12. Promotional girls working for booze companies or at trade shows (called 'Pretties' in Thailand)

13. Glamour models for men's magazines such as FHM or MAXM.

14. Models, pop stars, actresses.

(from Yahoo Questions U. K 5 yrs back)

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1371257]Warning, following content is extremely disturbing. LOL.

Oh how the once mighty Rainbow 2 has fallen to also ran status. I really think they need new blood to run the place. The elderly lady looks elderly and it shows.

What is it with the dj, bongo music for an hour that only a zimbabwe chimp could enjoy. Alwys one circus barnum and bailey song-one is waiting for a small car to come on stage and 20 midget bargirls comming out. LOL.

Or maybe the dj is playing japanican music. Cross between japan and jamaican music-just horrible.

Twos dancers who look like they could possibly be grandmothers. LOL.

And no it is not my imagination-just look at the customer count-while all this is going on Rainbow 4 is booming. Although their music is almost as horrible as Rainbow 2.

What happened to bon jovi, ymca, numma numma song, some thai rock- you can see the girls enthused when those songs were played.[/QUOTE]I appreciate the heads up on what you think of these places. What baffles me is why you keep going back there and then come on here to complain about them? Any venue deserves a chance, or two, to redeem itself but if the rainbow places are as bad as you keep telling us why don't you just go somewhere else?

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Western787; 1371413]1. Street walkers in places like Lumpini and Sukhumvit.

2. Thermae, Grace Hotel and Beer Garden Soi 7/1 typical girls.

Etc. (from Yahoo Questions U. K 5 yrs back) [/QUOTE]The Original list is okay making reasonable sense. Theother one reflected your personal bias and other shit or jokes.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1371569]The Original list is okay making reasonable sense. Theother one reflected your personal bias and other shit or jokes.[/QUOTE]Which was humorous as well.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1371569]The Original list is okay making reasonable sense. Theother one reflected your personal bias and other shit or jokes.[/QUOTE]Here is the precise source of the original list: [url]http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071221074033AAuJLAv[/url]

The term "just for kicks" in fact means "just for laughs" or "just for the hell of it"

The original list only refers to a "beauty" hierarchy, whereas I am getting into beauty in regard to P4P when I of course know full well that (among other parties cited) promotional girls and car show models are not even implicitly (as G Club girls might sometimes be) offering P4P, so of course my list is way over the top. Also on an individual basis its entirely possible for example for an individual Beach Road woman to have more beauty and perhaps even more class than a rich guy's kept mistress. You have to go with broad aggregates to make any such list even half true, and the serious original list has similar problems also. I think my list could be expanded to about 50 categories. I just have to work on some better material.

[QUOTE=Western787;1371605]The term "just for kicks" in fact means "just for laughs" or "just for the hell of it"[/QUOTE]Ahemmm. Just a little heads up. Only a smiley face denotes humor to a certain handful of members here.

BKK-noob here. Going in a few days. Just wondering if there are any us type strip clubs in BKK? Preferrably near nana / cowboy, or at least near a MRT / BTS station. Sure there will be a lot of mongering but variation is nice. Sometimes you just want to sit back, relax, have a few drinks, get a lapdance or two and flirt with the girls WITHOUT later dissapointing them when they find out you're not barfining them.

[QUOTE=Western787; 1371413]1. Street walkers in places like Lumpini and Sukhumvit.

2. Thermae, Grace Hotel and Beer Garden Soi 7/1 typical girls.[/QUOTE]There are categories under that.

0. Street walkers at Chinatown and Rachamnoen Klang. Old, in a bad state. 200-500 baht a pop (300 typical rate).

[QUOTE=Deakyo;1371779]BKK-noob here. Going in a few days. Just wondering if there are any us type strip clubs in BKK? Preferrably near nana / cowboy, or at least near a MRT / BTS station. Sure there will be a lot of mongering but variation is nice. Sometimes you just want to sit back, relax, have a few drinks, get a lapdance or two and flirt with the girls WITHOUT later dissapointing them when they find out you're not barfining them.[/QUOTE]? I go to Thailand to specifically avoid US type places.

Sounds like this is going to be a pleasant surprise for you. Better go back a few months and read all the threads.

Also go to Thailand to get away from U.S. joints.

[QUOTE=Deakyo;1371779]BKK-noob here. Going in a few days. Just wondering if there are any us type strip clubs in BKK? Preferrably near nana / cowboy, or at least near a MRT / BTS station. Sure there will be a lot of mongering but variation is nice. Sometimes you just want to sit back, relax, have a few drinks, get a lapdance or two and flirt with the girls WITHOUT later dissapointing them when they find out you're not barfining them.[/QUOTE]This is an almost troll like post but giving it the benefit of the doubt, the guy has just not done ant research.

This and other threads are full of information.

[QUOTE=Mackin; 1372136]Sounds like this is going to be a pleasant surprise for you. Better go back a few months and read all the threads.

Also go to Thailand to get away from USA joints.[/QUOTE]After experiencing Thailand, I have never gone back to a US strip joint. Kind of depressing to actually think about returning to one of those places.

[QUOTE=Deakyo;1371779]BKK-noob here. Going in a few days. Just wondering if there are any us type strip clubs in BKK? .[/QUOTE]Go-go bars are the closest but not the same as strip joints. Keep on paying some LD and they stick a little while with you, a BF will not be outrageously expensive to secure she stays there with you, but still you will need to give her some tip to rub her naked body.

[QUOTE=Deakyo;1371779]GJust wondering if there are any us type strip clubs in BKK? Preferrably near nana / cowboy, or at least near a MRT / BTS station. Sure there will be a lot of mongering but variation is nice. Sometimes you just want to sit back, relax, have a few drinks, get a lapdance or two and flirt with the girls WITHOUT later dissapointing them when they find out you're not barfining them.[/QUOTE]You're longing for something familiar like US style Strip Clubs in Bangkok is the result of spending your entire life in a sexual prison and not knowing it. It's ok.

If you come to LOS you will get a taste of what freedom and being a man is really like since the beginning of history. Once you visit South East Asia and experience the scene here, you will be changed forever and there will be no going back to the old way of seeing the world and yourself in it.

"You take the blue pill, the story ends; you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes."

Quote Originally Posted by Deakyo [View Original Post]

BKK-noob here. Going in a few days. Just wondering if there are any us type strip clubs in BKK? .

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1372175]Go-go bars are the closest but not the same as strip joints. Keep on paying some LD and they stick a little while with you, a BF will not be outrageously expensive to secure she stays there with you, but still you will need to give her some tip to rub her naked body.[/QUOTE]Bionicman is spot on. The some of the GoGo's in BKK offer full nude dancing on stage, some topless and most others offer bikini dancers. The main advantage these clubs have over the strip clubs in the US is that you can sit with you selected playtoy and molest her, while buying her drinks. If you like her vibe, you can take her back to your room and fuck the snot out of her, often for a lot less than the same in the US. I know P4P is available in the US stripclubs, but it isn't as readily available as in LOS. Plus, you don't have to worry about the police hassling you for the most part in Thailand. Most strippers, in the US stripclubs, can only see the letters ATM stamped on your forehead as you walk into the club, and they most likely can't / won't leave the club to fuck you. While their Thai counterparts still see the ATM sign on you, the best part is you can fantasize about them on stage and then go live the fantasy when you fuck them.

After mongering in LOS over the last 10 years, when friends drag me into a US stripclub, I seldom see anything worth wasting any lap dance money on, especially since I have little chance of fucking her.

[QUOTE=Deakyo;1371779]BKK-noob here. Going in a few days. Just wondering if there are any us type strip clubs in BKK? Preferrably near nana / cowboy, or at least near a MRT / BTS station. Sure there will be a lot of mongering but variation is nice. Sometimes you just want to sit back, relax, have a few drinks, get a lapdance or two and flirt with the girls WITHOUT later dissapointing them when they find out you're not barfining them.[/QUOTE]To answer more explicitly, Bangkok does not have paid "lap-dances" however you can have a girl on your lap merely by buying her a drink. You can check out the girls dancing nude first before calling one over in bars like Suzie Wong, Long Gun, etc. In Soi Cowboy near Sukhumvit Asoke intersection (runs between Soi 21 and 23). Certain girls may be prepared to sit on your lap nude if give them drinks or tip them. Can even take girls upstairs to fuck them in some bars.

If you don't bar-fine them, they may run away to another customer at anytime, if a very popular girl. Barfining is only 600 Baht (20 bucks) so it can be a good idea if you want to keep the girl for some time even if you don't want sex.

Not many customers are avoiding sex unless have no money, or with business associates or friends, or simply didn't find the right girl. I often take 2 girls at the same time, if they like each other. Why limit yourself? There are short time hotels located very close if you cannot take the girl back to your normal hotel.

If you don't BF the girl, sure she will be dissappointed. That's normal and happens a lot. Its your right to keep looking around until you find the one you really want to screw. You can call over more than 1 girl for a drink and ultimately choose just one for BF.

There are also blow-job bars where can get a blow job right there in the bar, once your shyness starts to evaporate.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1372229]There are also blow-job bars where can get a blow job right there in the bar, once your shyness starts to evaporate.[/QUOTE]You can get a lot more than a BJ at certain bars.

I know this post is off topic, but does anybody have experience using United Airlines Award travel getting to Bangkok from SFO / USA? There does not seem to be any ISG threads related to this topic except for the travel announcements but there is more post traffic here. I also tried a search on all Thai threads only to wade through pages and pages of unrelated topics.

I have not used awards in years and most likely there are some nice tips / tricks to get the most bang for my frequent flyer buck. I am also thinking of possible advantages via the many airline partners that might be used. Seems most UA flights arrive at a horrible time. Just short of midnight! That sucks.

If people don't want this topic addressed here, inbox is ok too. Thanks!

[QUOTE=Ehunter; 1372265]I know this post is off topic, but does anybody have experience using United Airlines Award travel getting to Bangkok from SFO / USA? There does not seem to be any ISG threads related to this topic except for the travel announcements but there is more post traffic here. I also tried a search on all Thai threads only to wade through pages and pages of unrelated topics.

I have not used awards in years and most likely there are some nice tips / tricks to get the most bang for my frequent flyer buck. I am also thinking of possible advantages via the many airline partners that might be used. Seems most UA flights arrive at a horrible time. Just short of midnight! That sucks.

If people don't want this topic addressed here, inbox is ok too. Thanks![/QUOTE]You really should be in the General Thread. However I am a Royal Orchid Gold customer (also part of Star Alliance). I have got my periodic free upgrades to Business Class, and also free flights (actually not free but pay petrol and airport tax only) , although I am using Thai Inter. I don't see that United should be any different. Simply you must ring United Frequent Flyer program (Star Alliance) and ask what awards you are entitled to with your current miles accumulated. If you have no frequent flyer membership or no accumulated miles, you won't get anything I guess. There are restrictions on total award non-paying customers per flight (or used to be) , so book a good time in advance if you can.

USA to BKK is a very long flight. To get it return on award you do need a large accumulated points (miles). If you fly to BKK several times per year United or weekly shorter flights, then no problem. If you fly United not very often, then you are not likely to qualify. With Royal Orchid I can use miles on flights within Thailand too.

For me I need to use miles awards before 4 years aged when they expire.

[QUOTE=Ehunter; 1372265]I know this post is off topic, but does anybody have experience using United Airlines Award travel getting to Bangkok from SFO / USA? There does not seem to be any ISG threads related to this topic except for the travel announcements but there is more post traffic here. I also tried a search on all Thai threads only to wade through pages and pages of unrelated topics.

I have not used awards in years and most likely there are some nice tips / tricks to get the most bang for my frequent flyer buck. I am also thinking of possible advantages via the many airline partners that might be used. Seems most UA flights arrive at a horrible time. Just short of midnight! That sucks.

If people don't want this topic addressed here, inbox is ok too. Thanks![/QUOTE]It take 32500 miles one way for coach ticket, you can check United Airline's website for the date you like.

[QUOTE=Ehunter; 1372265]I know this post is off topic, but does anybody have experience using United Airlines Award travel getting to Bangkok from SFO / USA? There does not seem to be any ISG threads related to this topic except for the travel announcements but there is more post traffic here. I also tried a search on all Thai threads only to wade through pages and pages of unrelated topics.

I have not used awards in years and most likely there are some nice tips / tricks to get the most bang for my frequent flyer buck. I am also thinking of possible advantages via the many airline partners that might be used. Seems most UA flights arrive at a horrible time. Just short of midnight! That sucks.

If people don't want this topic addressed here, inbox is ok too. Thanks![/QUOTE]If you plan to travel about 8 or 9 months from now, then you will have many options with MP on UAL. If you expect to find a good "deal" next month, you will be spending a lot of miles to get there. If you avoid the high season, you will find more options as well.

With Saver Awards, you can get a coach ticket for a litttle as 50, 000 miles plus tax. You can get a business class ticket for 75, 000 miles with Saver Awards if you look at many options.

Additionally, you will find that they offer Star Alliance partners to fly you as well. Often times, their Business Class is far superior to UAL's.

Take your time and plan ahead to get the best deals. United also books hotels as well.

[QUOTE=Ehunter;1372265]does anybody have experience using United Airlines Award travel getting to Bangkok from SFO / USA?[/QUOTE]I am a United Mileage Plus member and have a Chase United visa card. For my Feb trip, I recently used 65,000 United Miles to purchase the round trip super saver Mia - BKK flight with United. The outgoing Mia to Dusseldorf flight is on Lufthansa and the Dusseldorf to BKK flight is on Thai Airlines. The returning BKK to Frankfurt flight is on Thai and Frankfurt to Mia is on Lufthansa. I found the flight on the United website and booked it immediately. Funny thing, I was not assigned seats. I had to call Lufthansa and Thai airlines separately to secure my desired aisle seating. Normally I fly United from FLL - Newark - HKG for the same amount of miles (65,000) or a few hundred Dollars less if purchased outright. The FLL - Newark - HKG flight is around 20 hours total duration. The MIA - Dusseldorf - BKK flight is around 24 hours total duration. I think I was pretty lucky to find the BKK route available with United partners for 65,000 miles. I rate Lufthansa and Thai Air above United. I am due to arrive in BKK at 6am which suits me fine. During the day I will rest up by the pool, take a nap, and be ready for my first night's main event

Tip: If you don't see partner flights offered on the United website call the United Mileage Plus reservation number and ask about alternative partner flights. Not everything available is listed on the website. To book flights with as few miles as possible, book as early as possible. 9 months out is not too soon to begin searching. The airlines are real c*unts when it comes to buying seats using their miles. An alternative, and I don’t want to sound like the commercial, is to use Capital One visa cards. Their points can be exchanged for any flight on any airline purchased with the Capital One card with no restrictions.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1372291]. The outgoing Mia to Dusseldorf flight is on Lufthansa and the Dusseldorf to BKK flight is on Thai Airlines. The returning BKK to Frankfurt flight is on Thai and Frankfurt to Mia is on Lufthansa. .[/QUOTE]There is no direct flight from DUS to BKK, neither Lufthansa, nor Thai. You have to go via Frankfurt or Munich.

Unless you took AirBerlin, charter airlines.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1372291]Tip: If you don't see partner flights offered on the United website call the United Mileage Plus reservation number and ask about alternative partner flights. Not everything available is listed on the website. To book flights with as few miles as possible, book as early as possible. 9 months out is not too soon to begin searching. The airlines are real c*unts when it comes to buying seats using their miles.[/QUOTE]I recommend Thai Inter over Lufthansa for just one reason. At certain times of year, it is very difficult to get a seat on Frankfurt to BKK with Lufthansa, e. G. Just before Christmas. So when I wanted to change my flight date they said sorry, no seats available on any of several days in December and did not even offer to wait list me. Had to buy another ticket on a different airline to get home for Christmas. I guess the problem is too many Germans want to run away to BKK on Lufthansa escaping cold winter. On Thai Inter, I don't have this problem. Its possible my Gold status on Royal Orichid helps me get preference. I don't seem to have hassles to utilize my miles with Thai airways either where I certainly have had difficulties with other airlines. I never am able to book a definite date 9 months out. I get rather short notice for work in various countries.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1372300]There is no direct flight from DUS to BKK, neither Lufthansa, nor Thai. You have to go via Frankfurt or Munich.[/QUOTE]You are right, sir. My outgoing flight is MIA / DUS / Rome on Lufthansa and Rome / BKK on Thai. My returning flight is BKK / Frankfurt / MIA.

My flight leaves MIA at 6:35pm Sat Miami time and arrives in BKK 6:05am Mon Bangkok time roughly 24 hours later. I was able to get my preferred assigned aisle seats on all but the DUS - Rome leg of my flight.

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1372300]There is no direct flight from DUS to BKK, neither Lufthansa, nor Thai. You have to go via Frankfurt or Munich.

Unless you took AirBerlin, charter airlines.[/QUOTE]Agreed no Thai flight out of Duesseldorf. Can just catch a train from Duesseldorf to Frankfurt airport.

Thai also flys from Zurich, so can get an el-cheapo flight Duesseldorf to Zurich. May well be other possibilities, like via Amsterdam, Copenhagen, etc.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1372177]You're longing for something familiar like US style Strip Clubs in Bangkok is the result of spending your entire life in a sexual prison and not knowing it.[/QUOTE]LOL, an excellent analogy, with feminist ideology in the states having put men into shackles, like trained rats in a maze, with even alleged naughty strip clubs mostly just another form of ball busting.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1372304]You are right, sir. My outgoing flight is MIA / DUS / Rome on Lufthansa and Rome / BKK on Thai. My returning flight is BKK / Frankfurt / MIA.

My flight leaves MIA at 6:35pm Sat Miami time and arrives in BKK 6:05am Mon Bangkok time roughly 24 hours later. I was able to get my preferred assigned aisle seats on all but the DUS. Rome leg of my flight.[/QUOTE]You may want to look at a routing via Miami, San Fran, Tokyo to Bangkok and back. The connections will be better and there are quite a few Star Alliance carriers to chose from. You can also look at substituting Los Angeles or Seattle for San Fran as well to give you a lot of flexibility.

I got a business class ticket w / 75, 000 miles from US to BKK on a Saver Award 9 months in advance. With a Star Alliance silver or gold membership with your MP Premier status you can also access the foreign carrier's airport lounges, great for those long layovers.

Well I am sitting on 550k miles and 65k seems to be enough for a few RTs. The UA website lists all award travel dates and flight combos but the interesting thing is the best flights from the Alliance airlines don't get offered. It seems for those flights to be listed, UA has to be on one of the segments.

Guess I will call tomorrow and find out if I can use an award on a partner without UA being on one of the segments. I have heard good things about Singapore so that is what I am hoping for.

Via Taiwan from LA or direct from LHR or AMS.

Generally their club Class fares are way below other carriers.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1372229]If you don't bar-fine them, they may run away to another customer at anytime, if a very popular girl.[/QUOTE]That's ok, I'm not that desperate. Besides in Thailand you never lose your girl, only your turn.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1372229]Not many customers are avoiding sex unless have no money, or with business associates or friends, or simply didn't find the right girl. I often take 2 girls at the same time, if they like each other. Why limit yourself? There are short time hotels located very close if you cannot take the girl back to your normal hotel.[/QUOTE]I'm avoiding sex with girls simply because I'm bored of them after having their pussies everyday for weeks. And they can be a pain in the ass. It has nothing to do with money, as I enjoy masturbating to super stunning porn. Although I don't mind the dollar savings, being STI safe & not being around a problematic girl.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1372383]That's ok, I'm not that desperate. Besides in Thailand you never lose your girl, only your turn.

I'm avoiding sex with girls simply because I'm bored of them after having their pussies everyday for weeks.[/QUOTE]I hear you. This is why I like the suck shacks because sometimes you just want to bust a nutt but not deal with the female BS.

Can you get a girl's number and just hook up with her outside of work as opposed to going through the barfine routine?

[QUOTE=Ehunter; 1372265]I know this post is off topic, but does anybody have experience using United Airlines Award travel getting to Bangkok from SFO / USA? There does not seem to be any ISG threads related to this topic except for the travel announcements but there is more post traffic here. I also tried a search on all Thai threads only to wade through pages and pages of unrelated topics.

I have not used awards in years and most likely there are some nice tips / tricks to get the most bang for my frequent flyer buck. I am also thinking of possible advantages via the many airline partners that might be used. Seems most UA flights arrive at a horrible time. Just short of midnight! That sucks.

If people don't want this topic addressed here, inbox is ok too. Thanks![/QUOTE]This is a topic you can post on the General thread. So what did you want to know about Rewards travel. United arrives at midnight in BKK and so what if it sucks. Pay another airline to come over. BTW Thai Airways flights from LAX also comes in around this time. Check the airline schedules for Star Alliance flights. There are no special tips and tricks. You give them 90K miles (or whatever they want) and you get to fly. You don't get to choose special treatments.

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1372525]This is a topic you can post on the General thread. So what did you want to know about Rewards travel. United arrives at midnight in BKK and so what if it sucks. Pay another airline to come over. BTW Thai Airways flights from LAX also comes in around this time. Check the airline schedules for Star Alliance flights. There are no special tips and tricks. You give them 90K miles (or whatever they want) and you get to fly. You don't get to choose special treatments.[/QUOTE]I am a 1K flyer with United, and it has gotten more and more difficult to use your accumulated miles or your upgrades. The best bet I have found is to call up and try to ask the agent when is the best time to try to use them. I also get some global upgrades and the only way to use them is to buy an upgraded ticket (3 or 4 hundred more dollars and a different class of ticket) , and talk to the agent as to when you will be able to use them. A trick the airline uses now is to force you to buy the upgraded ticket, and then put you on a wait list for the upgrade and if you don't get the upgrade, you are still stuck for the charge for the different class of ticket to be even eligible for the upgrade which you didn't get! Really sneaky, and again, let's get every dime we can out of the customer, whether or not it's ethical or fair. Same thing with all the "new" extra charges the airlines add-they don't get taxed the same way on the extra charges so sticking them on, versus just making it part of the ticket price, is a higher profit margin. I could go on about the clubs and how they used to be a nice refuge for mainly business travelers while waiting for the next flight, but now with day passes, certain credit cards, etc, etc, the club is full of kids running around, people with bags all over the place, and even so full a seat can't be found.

[QUOTE=Ehunter; 1372347]Well I am sitting on 550k miles and 65k seems to be enough for a few RTs. The UA website lists all award travel dates and flight combos but the interesting thing is the best flights from the Alliance airlines don't get offered. It seems for those flights to be listed, UA has to be on one of the segments.

Guess I will call tomorrow and find out if I can use an award on a partner without UA being on one of the segments. I have heard good things about Singapore so that is what I am hoping for.[/QUOTE]I fly over 100, 000 miles a year with United thus am a 1k member.

I have flown the Frisco to BKK many times. As you know it stops in Narita. If you book ahead it is 70, 000 miles for Business class to BKK. Some of the Star Alliance have more stops and most of the time you cannot pre-book your seat which is huge for me.

If United, get Premium economy. Most of those flights now have the upgraded seats and Ent. Systems.

What is wrong with arriving at 1145 pm? I like it alot. Have you tried it? I sleep on the plane and get to downtown by 1am-130. That is when the place is just getting lively with many many girls out and about. Take one back to your room, fuck her good, sleep, wake up and fuck her again, have some breakfast and start your day.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1372383]That's ok, I'm not that desperate. Besides in Thailand you never lose your girl, only your turn.[/QUOTE]If you lose your turn, you might not ever see her again. I am frustrated by favourites having quit or gone up country. Yes I missing certain working girls that I was not bored with in the slighest.

[QUOTE]I'm avoiding sex with girls simply because I'm bored of them after having their pussies everyday for weeks. And they can be a pain in the ass. It has nothing to do with money, as I enjoy masturbating to super stunning porn. Although I don't mind the dollar savings, being STI safe & not being around a problematic girl.[/QUOTE]And isn't watching naked girls getting boring for you too? Perhaps you want to try LBs if girls are so terrible?

Everyone can have a rest from fucking, but going to the gogo bars, just to look, makes llittle sense to me unless I am doing some sort of survey to find the best talent. Perhaps its just I have seen too many bars. If not horny, I won't bother. I certainly don't go daily. The best GFE girls are not a pain in the arse. Just pay them to leave.

My motto is "In Bangkok you never have to wank". Save it for when you are in a crappy for sex country.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1372651]And isn't watching naked girls getting boring for you too? Perhaps you want to try LBs if girls are so terrible?[/quote]Well that was a pretty useless comment (a lot of those from you lately). I am 100% with PP on this one, if you go often to the GoGos, it can be very boring. Does that mean I am gay for finding looking at naked women boring after a while? Please, get real.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1372651]Everyone can have a rest from fucking, but going to the gogo bars, just to look, makes llittle sense to me unless I am doing some sort of survey to find the best talent.[/quote]But sometimes one goes there to accompany a tourist, or just to grab a drink or two in the company of naked ladies. What's wrong with that? I guess some guys prefer it that way, it's their choice.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1372668]Well that was a pretty useless comment (a lot of those from you lately). I am 100% with PP on this one, if you go often to the GoGos, it can be very boring.[/QUOTE]That's fine. Its boring so you don't go. Yes, lets all try to get back to useful information.

[QUOTE]Does that mean I am gay for finding looking at naked women boring after a while? Please, get real.[/QUOTE]Wasn't very funny, I know, and certainly did not imply anything gay about anybody. My flippant remark related to him being so pissed off with girls in general, finding them to be "Pain in the arses" and preferring to wank. Not related to bars. I have heard that some guys like to just "bust a nut" and apparently use lady boys for BJ too even though they are not exactly gay.

[QUOTE]But sometimes one goes there to accompany a tourist, or just to grab a drink or two in the company of naked ladies. What's wrong with that? I guess some guys prefer it that way, it's their choice.[/QUOTE]Nothing wrong with that. Its too boring to do often, right? Accompaning someone else is the typical reason which I gave originally.

IMHO, its a waste of time and money going to gogo bars, unless you are a newbie and hence haven't seen it all before, or unless you go there to get girls for sex. I don't need a wingman and prefer not to have one, purely since my style may not be compatible with some other guy, and he may want to waste time in bars that don't interest me. As soon as no girls are interesting, I like to leave quickly. Doesn't mean others cannot have there own reasons. The gogo bars are too noisy for me to have extended meaningful conversations with anyone, although its easier for me to hear girls due to higher pitched voices. Bad DJs (bad music) in bars really bore me too (and stupid shows llike fire breathing).

In general, I get very bored by so many posts on this forum being of a whinging, complaining, or generally negative nature. If people don't like Bangkok or its girls, or its MPs, then they should spend more time looking for something great or really go somewhere else. There is also a "Places to Avoid" thread for people to dump their vitriole on.

I don't object to posts about specific girls being not good with specfic reasons. That is handy. Just because I had a bad girl, I am not going to say the whole shop is bad. Are there any places at all, without some substandard girls?

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1372651]And isn't watching naked girls getting boring for you too? Perhaps you want to try LBs if girls are so terrible?

Everyone can have a rest from fucking, but going to the gogo bars, just to look, makes llittle sense to me unless I am doing some sort of survey to find the best talent. Perhaps its just I have seen too many bars. If not horny, I won't bother. I certainly don't go daily. The best GFE girls are not a pain in the arse. Just pay them to leave.

My motto is "In Bangkok you never have to wank". Save it for when you are in a crappy for sex country.[/QUOTE]I was thinking the exact same thing. The original post makes Bangkok sound so alluring.

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1372668]if you go often to the GoGos, it can be very boring[/QUOTE]For anyone who lives here I believe it is a wise move to go to these places sparingly right from the beginning of your stay. Understandably people coming here for 2 weeks want to cram in as much action and fun as they can, that's exactly what I would do. There is a real danger of over familiarization, or burn-out, for BKK residents who do the same.

Regards,

BJ

Thouht I would add my 2 cents to these discussions.

I found that the (soft) flaming on the guy who asked about strip clubs was misplaced. I also would love to have US style strip clubs everywhere in the world, as long as they would be populated by local girls, at local prices, and local services. In other work, beautiful girl stripping fully, sitting on your lap, giving you lap dance etc. But without the US mentality. You might say that I describe go-gos, but in a gogo, the objective is for all girls and most men to finally have sex, while I would enjoy places open all day long where you can interact with gitls, in many ways, lap dances, drinks, public groping etc. Without having necesarrily to take her out. The point is that some of us cannot f. All day long. If I have had an early morning BJ, I don't know where to go and what to do till, say early pm for my next shot. And again, to keep my late pm occupied till the evening hunt.

The problem with US strip clubs is not the way they operate, it is the people, women and men that use it, and their mentality. Keep the structure and replace it with open minded girls, management and clients, and you have a winner. Best example of that, for those who know, is the HongKong club in Tijuana, at the california-Mexican border. Many of those who have been there rate it at the "best club" in the world. You can stay in 24h per day, enjoy yourself all day long at low cost, and go "arriba" whenever you feel like. Would love this in BKK.

I will be spending just 24h in BKK next month, and in the absence of a place to hang on all day, my plan is to get a BJ soon after my morning arrival, get a nap, go to one of the oilies on soi 24-26, then get a legit massage at the place just in the alley in front of LL, and finally try to get a partner for the night from somewhere, before departing the next morning. Any alternate suggestion always welcome.

Arrived BKK Friday, texted Nadia (from Nana parking lot) to meet me at the hotel. She was right on time, this was the second time I've taken her and the sex the first time was nearly mind-blowing. I was wondering if the second time would be a disappointment or would reinforce my initial impression that she is a sex maniac. I was NOT disappointed. We started around 9 pm, lots of oral, several positions, I was enjoying it so much I paced myself not to blow the load, because once I do I'm not much good for a while. I got into one of those modes where the hard was not goinig away, and Nadia helped with frequent position changes. Even napped a few times, still in full penetration, only to rouse and continue. Pretty awesome. Two hours of this, some sleep, wake again, not quite the two-hour marathon but another lengthy session. After showering, as we were dressing, she noticed I was half-hard again, more BJ, she asked me to jack off into her mouth. OK. New one on me. I did, she left, and I'm worn out. Last time I took her I had 1, 500 THB under the ash tray, we did not discuss money, I intended to just hand the money to her. I dug around and added THB 300 additional for the outstanding service so ended up paying 1, 800 THB long time. This time, I had a similar strategy but ended up giving her 2, 000 (she stayed until noon). Don't think I've had so much action/$$! Now off to Patts.

Had the pleasure of showing another buddy around town on Saturday evening. He insisted on visiting Budget Bangers, due to the pricing structure, so who was I to shoot him down. Arrived to me greeted by the ever so rude man who talks about the girls like a piece of trash. The talent was nothing short of hound like so he opted to pass. Cheap guys do have standards!

We then killed some time before hitting good old SC. Baccara was loaded up with Japanese but had some real stunners on display. Had two over chatting and drinking away who were adamant about 4000 LT. Supposedly some girls are commanding up of 6000 in there now which I quite believe judging by the clientele on show. Rawhide and Playskool were average but fun while being surprisingly packed out.

Ended up hitting Nana around the 11pm mark. Made it to Rainbow 4 and I have to be honest here and say this as to be the top go go for lookers at this moment in time. Loaded with stunners. I even dabbled myself and retired to a ST hotel around the corner with number 38 for an intense 1. 5 hour session! 2000 to the girl and 600 to the bar and worth every penny.

Left my buddy trying to haggle some broad down on the street, I guess some don't change after 15 years!

Okay, I'm sure to most of us mongers pussy is pussy. Sure we all have our preferences, latina, white, asian, etc. Though I prefer caucasian, and because it's a little more affordable in prague, then Czech specifically, I'm seeking a more GFE type of encounter. Many thanks again to those who have responded to my 'prague or Bangkok' question and to the same guys who have been to both places, I think I can finally make my final decision based on one last, but not least, yet quite crucial criteria. The GFE factor. Based on your experiences in Bangkok and prague fellas, across the board, be they in clubs, brothels, escorts, etc. Which would you say gives a better GFE type experience? I mean, looking at it generally, let's not compare prices or number of hours, just a broad sweeping statement, an overall feel of what you got when you mongered in both places. I know I said earlier maybe I'm more into a few hours at a time, that being said, even if that were to be the case, a little more connection goes a long way I suppose. If there's more of a girlfriend type feeling, I'd like to try whole day dates. Beyond the sex, the cost, etc, which girls fake warmth the best? The thai chicks or the Czech chicks? What do you think fellas?

[QUOTE=Dr BJ;1372701]For anyone who lives here I believe it is a wise move to go to these places sparingly right from the beginning of your stay. Understandably people coming here for 2 weeks want to cram in as much action and fun as they can, that's exactly what I would do. There is a real danger of over familiarization, or burn-out, for BKK residents who do the same.[/QUOTE]That is exactly right doc. There is a big difference between living somewhere and just vacationing. My cousin moved to Pattaya and tried to live like a vacationer for the first two months. Soon he was low on cash due to partying every night and eating out every day. He also made a bad name for himself with all the girls because he would go to the same spots every night, sweet talk and run game on the girls, get them for free and / or get them spending money on him, then jump ship and move to the next girl. He ended up fucking one girl who was the security guy from from the club's girlfriend (who was the best friend of a girl he was already fucking for free). We had been to their place and all and he knew the guy but never realized they were a couple. I had to sit him down and tell him to slow his ass down and start looking and observing before leaping. All this shit is okay for a person visiting because they will be back home in a week or so and soon forgotten by the locals. But you definitely don't want your name to be mud if you have to stay somewhere on a long term basis.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1372821]I had to sit him down and tell him to slow his ass down and start looking and observing before leaping. All this shit is okay for a person visiting because they will be back home in a week or so and soon forgotten by the locals. But you definitely don't want your name to be mud if you have to stay somewhere on a long term basis.[/QUOTE]How are things for him now? Does he still live there and does it like it? I have a buddy that lives in BKK, but it seems like BKK has a lot more to do, in general.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1372847]How are things for him now? Does he still live there and does it like it? I have a buddy that lives in BKK, but it seems like BKK has a lot more to do, in general.[/QUOTE]Well he ended up getting into a hit and run motorbike accident. The car took off but people who were around called for help. His helmet came off on impact. He had cracked ribs and other internal injuries and his face looked like he had gotten beat up with an ugly stick. He ended up moving back with his wife in Malaysia. She was footing his Thailand bill anyway as a condition of them moving from the States to Malaysia where she is from.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1372882]Well he ended up getting into a hit and run motorbike accident. The car took off but people who were around called for help. His helmet came off on impact. He had cracked ribs and other internal injuries and his face looked like he had gotten beat up with an ugly stick. He ended up moving back with his wife in Malaysia. She was footing his Thailand bill anyway as a condition of them moving from the States to Malaysia where she is from.[/QUOTE]Wow, I hope he's doing better. Was his wife with him in Thailand when he was going balls to the wall?

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1372893]Wow, I hope he's doing better. Was his wife with him in Thailand when he was going balls to the wall?[/QUOTE]Nope. And actually it was a friend of hers who bought his ticket back to Malaysia then drove from Bangkok to Pattaya to pick him up and take him to the airport. Then his dumb ass was adding hookers to his facebook. I told him it was crazy. He said she couldn't see it. Well eventually she did see it and posted on his wall that he needed to take his ass back to the States or back to Thailand with his hoars (Don't know whether she really knew they were actual hoars or not though). But all is well now. His wife is well connected so he finally got an under-the-table job in Malaysia but still not adjusting too well to them not liking black people. His wife and son went looking for an apartment and one guy flat out told them that he would not rent to them because the baby is black. He works with computers and said one hotel would not even let him take some parts home to study them because they were afraid he would steal them.

One of the girls he found in the club was taking care of him after the accident. She had a regular job and would bring him food and beer everyday after work. She also paid the 1500 baht that he had to pay for damage to the rented motorbike. She told him to come stay in her place any time he is in Pattaya. That guy is lucky. He is known for finding some really good girls, but he is also known for always fucking it up.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1372882]Well he ended up getting into a hit and run motorbike accident. The car took off but people who were around called for help. His helmet came off on impact. He had cracked ribs and other internal injuries and his face looked like he had gotten beat up with an ugly stick. He ended up moving back with his wife in Malaysia. She was footing his Thailand bill anyway as a condition of them moving from the States to Malaysia where she is from.[/QUOTE]Is it possible that the "hit and run" was actually a planned event by someone?

That cousin is one smooth operator. I wonder if he sniffs our the vulnerable ones just like a bar girl does to men or if he can bend even the hardcore BGs. To be a fly on the wall and so on.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1372916]Is it possible that the "hit and run" was actually a planned event by someone?[/QUOTE]Entirely likely it was an accident if you know how bad Thais drive and have no regard for road safety

[QUOTE=Ehunter;1372265]I know this post is off topic, but does anybody have experience using United Airlines Award travel getting to Bangkok from San Francisco? . I have not used awards in years and most likely there are some nice tips / tricks to get the most bang for my frequent flyer buck. I am also thinking of possible advantages via the many airline partners that might be used. Seems most UA flights arrive at a horrible time. Just short of midnight! That sucks.[/QUOTE]Immediately after United merged with Continental the web site was lousy. It's still not perfect, but it works better than it used to. Go to the drop down menu for Mileage Plus and choose "book with award miles." The default value is to display all Star Alliance flights. But you can choose to display only United flights if that's your preference. (Although I don't know why you would. Generally speaking the Star Alliance carriers are almost always better in every way.)

I've also read online reports that there might be an advantage to using the web sites of the Star Alliance carriers. I've never tried that, but there are some who swear by it. For more than you'd ever want to know about gaming the frequent flyer programs surf over to:

[url]www.flyertalk.com[/url]

With regard to the flight schedules, not much you can do. Looks like the majority of trips are going to leave San Francisco at midday, connect somewhere in Asia, and arrive in Bangkok very late in the evening. You might be able to find a trip or two that leaves in the evening and arrives during daylight hours, but that's going to be the exception.

Bunky

I am rather shocked at the inflation rate of pussy and enclose a graph of the THB-USD from 41 in 2006 and just six years later roughly 30: this is a 27% decrease in purchasing power or about 4. 5% annual inflation. I am tipping very high domestic inflation in double digits once the effects of zero cost money, the printing press and deliberate devaluation flow through (the latter because of the 90% of goods made in Asia, such as American flags) to the general economy. Talking up housing prices and fake credit is not going to substitute for lack of real income that has been falling for two decades. This flood of cash. Or toilet paper. Will come home to roost.

The upshot is that punters need to hedge by buying quality Asian stocks for our hobby and also as good business sense. Gone are the days when a beer cost more than a blowjob (as was the case in Cambodia).

Now I could understand making US pussy competitive as a services industry, but that is not the case because local law enforcement use it as an arrest mill to generate statistics that help their short term career and revenue goals. The fact that this destroys entire families and jobs (and with it taxes) that is a net fiscal negative is too hard for the local cops to understand. In fact, the US is becoming very nasty, myself and friends getting questioned and hassled by Dept Homeland Chimps at the airport about that 10 day trip to LOS or the Philippines. I tell them I'm with the 13th Reformed Baptist Church of Podunk, Alabama spreading God's word. With a deadpan face. It's true. Especially the oral testing of what they learned.

That's another story. My beloved Republic is falling apart. The only growth industry is mindless tick the box form, procedure and process and thuggish, militarized police forces and even parking inspectors. Time to get out.

The US domestic risk of P4P is not worth it when Canada, Mexico, Europe and Asia consenting, adult women are willing and able to offer what fat, cranky American white cows are not, so economic substitution is a non-starter.

Anyways. 4-5% pussy inflation is high. Anyone else notice it? Or compared it to Europe EUR50 FKK's?

I nominate you for a National Institutes of Health multi-year grant. Certainly the situation you have identified requires thorough further study so that a pussy crisis can be averted.

This website gives you some options on finding cheap air fares from point to point.

[url]http://www.farecompare.com/maps/[/url]

Yes, Vittu, I advocate careful study, which I just did at Soi Cowboy and Budget Bangers. Dr. BJ is well on the way to being the Walmart of Bangkok, standardized no BS BJ's and more in a clean, consistent environment. Hopefully this trend will make the bars offer a more competitive package deal rather than having more hidden costs than a car dealer.

We need an economic recovery led by hot sex where men and women honestly trade in the oldest dance of human kind. Just look at how friendly and pleasant the guys are in LOS when they are not sexually anxious (as is the case most of the time elsewhere).

[QUOTE=Pahllus Maximus; 1373013]Yes, Vittu, I advocate careful study, which I just did at Soi Cowboy and Budget Bangers. Dr. BJ is well on the way to being the Walmart of Bangkok, standardized no BS BJ's and more in a clean, consistent environment. Hopefully this trend will make the bars offer a more competitive package deal rather than having more hidden costs than a car dealer.

We need an economic recovery led by hot sex where men and women honestly trade in the oldest dance of human kind. Just look at how friendly and pleasant the guys are in LOS when they are not sexually anxious (as is the case most of the time elsewhere).[/QUOTE]I am in Socal. Believe it or not, I have seen a decrease in prices here over the past 5 years. Why? Competition and the economy.

There are several sites here that I believe are very safe. Never heard of any "stings". I still much prefer SEA, but this place is not terrible if you know where to go.

[QUOTE=Bunky;1372982]Immediately after United merged with Continental the web site was lousy. It's still not perfect, but it works better than it used to. Go to the drop down menu for Mileage Plus and choose "book with award miles." The default value is to display all Star Alliance flights. But you can choose to display only United flights if that's your preference. (Although I don't know why you would. Generally speaking the Star Alliance carriers are almost always better in every way.) Bunky[/QUOTE]All Star Alliance rewards are handled by a company called Miles & More (made out by participating companies). M&M gets virtual cash for the miles the frequent passengers collect and spend. It is then up to the individual airline to grant the rewards (ie there are free seats available for reward on the specific flights, ie there are seats availbale for upgrade). UA, in the past, seemed to run independently, even requiring paper voucher to accept the free flights or upgrades from other airline participating members. I do not if this practice is (hopefully) over now). This system is pretty much common with all frequent flyer programs, when there are many participating airlines.

[QUOTE=Pahllus Maximus;1373002]Now I could understand making US pussy competitive as a services industry, but that is not the case because local law enforcement use it as an arrest mill to generate statistics that help their short term career and revenue goals. The fact that this destroys entire families and jobs (and with it taxes) that is a net fiscal negative is too hard for the local cops to understand. In fact, the US is becoming very nasty, myself and friends getting questioned and hassled by Dept Homeland Chimps at the airport about that 10 day trip to LOS or the Philippines. I tell them I'm with the 13th Reformed Baptist Church of Podunk, Alabama spreading God's word. With a deadpan face. It's true. Especially the oral testing of what they learned.[/QUOTE]Dude a lot of economic theory on this pussy-oriented board. I agree with your analysis. But you forget that the downside has a floor: Thai and Chinese men love blondes and US accents. So our daughters will return the sexual women these Thai girls have been providing us. Quid pro quo.

[QUOTE=Dreams; 1372725]Thouht I would add my 2 cents to these discussions.

I found that the (soft) flaming on the guy who asked about strip clubs was misplaced. I also would love to have US style strip clubs everywhere in the world, as long as they would be populated by local girls, at local prices, and local services.[/QUOTE]I both agree and disagree.

YES I would also like to have strip clubs in Bangkok (it was tried before but failed: ie THE STRIP) but without the US Rules of "No Touching".

I went to Strip clubs in NY, LA, Chicago, Buffalo, Miami and even Pittsburgh and maybe my colleagues picked the wrong clubs but there was no touching allowed, even in the so called "Champagne room". A bouncer was in the room as you were getting your dances and made sure the punters would not touch the ladies.

That side of the Strip clubs I did not like.

After that, I went to Toronto and my GOD, you could have BBBJ, FS right in the private dance Area. All you needed to do was give a $20 Canadian to the bouncer and he would close his eyes.

Anyway, yes, I am all for a US Style Strip club.

The Bloke (can't be bothered to scroll back and see the name) can always go to the smaller bars in SC: Jungle Jims, Moonshine Joint, Fannys, Toy. At these places, the girls will strip for you, dance on your lap, let you suck their tits and finger their pussies. All you need to do is buy them drinks. (I usually tip them a little too).

If you get Horny enough, then can give you a HJ or BBBJ right at your seat too.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1372680]The gogo bars are too noisy for me to have extended meaningful conversations with anyone, although its easier for me to hear girls due to higher pitched voices. Bad DJs (bad music) in bars really bore me too (and stupid shows llike fire breathing).[/QUOTE]I agree with you there. And I was at some Gogo bars last time (Baccara) where all the fucking Jappos are puffing away.

That's why I prefer Massage places.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1373054]I both agree and disagree.

YES I would also like to have strip clubs in Bangkok (it was tried before but failed: ie THE STRIP) but without the US Rules of "No Touching".

I went to Strip clubs in NY, LA, Chicago, Buffalo, Miami and even Pittsburgh and maybe my colleagues picked the wrong clubs but there was no touching allowed, even in the so called "Champagne room". A bouncer was in the room as you were getting your dances and made sure the punters would not touch the ladies.

That side of the Strip clubs I did not like.

After that, I went to Toronto and my GOD, you could have BBBJ, FS right in the private dance Area. All you needed to do was give a $20 Canadian to the bouncer and he would close his eyes.

Anyway, yes, I am all for a US Style Strip club.

The Bloke (can't be bothered to scroll back and see the name) can always go to the smaller bars in SC: Jungle Jims, Moonshine Joint, Fannys, Toy. At these places, the girls will strip for you, dance on your lap, let you suck their tits and finger their pussies. All you need to do is buy them drinks. (I usually tip them a little too).

If you get Horny enough, then can give you a HJ or BBBJ right at your seat too.[/QUOTE]Problem is if we had US style strip clubs the girls would be making so much in tips from overzealous punters, they would not really need to have sex with customers that much.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1372651]My motto is "In Bangkok you never have to wank". Save it for when you are in a crappy for sex country.[/QUOTE]Honestly, this used to be the case. 10 years ago I could not walk 50 mts on Suk or be in Thermae 5 min without seeing lots of good looking, willing available gals who pretty much all gave great service, and most seemed to actually enjoy the act. Not the case now.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1373054]I both agree and disagree.

YES I would also like to have strip clubs in Bangkok (it was tried before but failed: ie THE STRIP) but without the US Rules of "No Touching".

I went to Strip clubs in NY, LA, Chicago, Buffalo, Miami and even Pittsburgh and maybe my colleagues picked the wrong clubs but there was no touching allowed, even in the so called "Champagne room". A bouncer was in the room as you were getting your dances and made sure the punters would not touch the ladies.

That side of the Strip clubs I did not like.

After that, I went to Toronto and my GOD, you could have BBBJ, FS right in the private dance Area. All you needed to do was give a $20 Canadian to the bouncer and he would close his eyes.

Anyway, yes, I am all for a US Style Strip club.

The Bloke (can't be bothered to scroll back and see the name) can always go to the smaller bars in SC: Jungle Jims, Moonshine Joint, Fannys, Toy. At these places, the girls will strip for you, dance on your lap, let you suck their tits and finger their pussies. All you need to do is buy them drinks. (I usually tip them a little too).

If you get Horny enough, then can give you a HJ or BBBJ right at your seat too.[/QUOTE]Go to some of the strip clubs in San Francisco. One I know well is The Mitchel Brother's O'Farrell Theater. Mitchell brothers as in "Behind the Green Door". Though they're both dead now. I used to take clients from Asia there on business. There is a cover; its not cheap; but the girls are all 9s & 10s; a mix of different races and nationalities. Some touching and lap dancing in the public area. There are private booth where you can get whatever you're willing to pay for. And I mean anything! You can make arrangements to see the girls outside the club when they're not working. A few are students (really) and have boyfriends. Most girls are looking for a sugar daddy. The downside is it can get very expensive. Last time I was there (about three years ago when I was last living in SF) it cost US$40 to get in. Thirty minutes in a private room and a covered blow job would set you back a few hundred. I doubt if you could find a girl who would give you a BBBJ. For a vaginal fuck you're looking at $1000+. Never asked for A-level. One evening one of the girls I knew pointed out another girl who she said would do it for the right price.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1373084]Honestly, this used to be the case. 10 years ago I could not walk 50 mts on Suk or be in Thermae 5 min without seeing lots of good looking, willing available gals who pretty much all gave great service, and most seemed to actually enjoy the act. Not the case now.[/QUOTE]So that is a good reason to jackoff? There are 100's of other spots besides what you say.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1373084]Honestly, this used to be the case. 10 years ago I could not walk 50 mts on Suk or be in Thermae 5 min without seeing lots of good looking, willing available gals who pretty much all gave great service, and most seemed to actually enjoy the act. Not the case now.[/QUOTE]We don't improve with age. We get grumpier and harder to please. Fabulous girls surely do not last long.

I remember 2 hot girls in Thermae 20 years ago, but have had only 1 really memorable girl from Thermae since then. All these girls were just there on occasion of needing some money in a hurry. Not regulars.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1373054]I went to Strip clubs in NY, LA, Chicago, Buffalo, Miami and even Pittsburgh and maybe my colleagues picked the wrong clubs but there was no touching allowed, even in the so called "Champagne room". A bouncer was in the room as you were getting your dances and made sure the punters would not touch the ladies.[/QUOTE]Clearly your colleagues were amateurs. In Pittsburgh should have gone to Slinky in McKees Rocks.

[QUOTE=Pita123;1373153]Clearly your colleagues were amateurs. In Pittsburgh should have gone to Slinky in McKees Rocks.[/QUOTE]Either that or they purposefully brought me to a mild Strip joint. As I am the boss they did not want to show me too much I guess.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1373100]So that is a good reason to jackoff? There are 100's of other spots besides what you say.[/QUOTE]I pretty much partake at oilies exclusively now.

Of course the reason over priced no touch (and now even no nudity) strip clubs exist in the US is that prostitution is illegal. Why else would someone drop hundreds of dollars to leave a place with blue balls? The strange thing is that there are Asian massage parlors in basically every city that has a strip club, so I never could figure out why guys don't just go to them instead.

You guys who want no touch strip clubs in Bangkok please stay in America. Seriously. It's bad enough already with some of the A Go Go's in Pattaya having lapdances and dancers who refuse to barfine. Don't make it worse than it is, I beg you!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1372651]I am frustrated by favourites having quit or gone up country.[/QUOTE]That explains NicFroggys posting of a porn site around the New Year, after recieving many PM requests for the same.

I miss a few favs too, but year after year there is constantly new young and fresh meat being introduced to the Bangkok hooker scene.

Thai girls know the famous NPL and where to go when they want cash. Even the regular LE raids don't stop them.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1373187]Either that or they purposefully brought me to a mild Strip joint. As I am the boss they did not want to show me too much I guess.[/QUOTE]I'm guessing that they thought it was a cool and classy Strip Club whereas you were hoping for one with mileage.

A lot of guys in the USA are so fucked up they don't really want to go to a place where they can get laid. They'd rather drop $100US and more on drinks and lap dances, talk fraternity bullshit with their buddies, and save their 5 to 10 minute fucks for their girlfriends and wives. I briefly went back to the states a few years ago after I'd been away for years, and checked out some bullshit lap dance place with a good friend in New York City. What a fucking waste. My old friend thought it was wonderful. I couldn't wait to get out of there.

[QUOTE=Pita123;1373282]I'm guessing that they thought it was a cool and classy Strip Club whereas you were hoping for one with mileage.[/QUOTE]Absolutely!

The day shift offers everything. I've gotten BBBJ for $50. It's also a BYOB bar so you save tons in drinks. Get a few bottles and spent a couple hundred and you'll get to bang two girls. Day shift only.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1373088]Go to some of the strip clubs in San Francisco. One I know well is The Mitchel Brother's O'Farrell Theater. Mitchell brothers as in "Behind the Green Door". Though they're both dead now. I used to take clients from Asia there on business. There is a cover; its not cheap; but the girls are all 9s & 10s; a mix of different races and nationalities. Some touching and lap dancing in the public area. There are private booth where you can get whatever you're willing to pay for. And I mean anything! You can make arrangements to see the girls outside the club when they're not working. A few are students (really) and have boyfriends. Most girls are looking for a sugar daddy. The downside is it can get very expensive. Last time I was there (about three years ago when I was last living in SF) it cost US$40 to get in. Thirty minutes in a private room and a covered blow job would set you back a few hundred. I doubt if you could find a girl who would give you a BBBJ. For a vaginal fuck you're looking at $1000+. Never asked for A-level. One evening one of the girls I knew pointed out another girl who she said would do it for the right price.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1373088]Go to some of the strip clubs in San Francisco. One I know well is The Mitchel Brother's O'Farrell Theater. Mitchell brothers as in "Behind the Green Door". Though they're both dead now. I used to take clients from Asia there on business. There is a cover; its not cheap; but the girls are all 9s & 10s; a mix of different races and nationalities. Some touching and lap dancing in the public area. There are private booth where you can get whatever you're willing to pay for. And I mean anything! You can make arrangements to see the girls outside the club when they're not working. A few are students (really) and have boyfriends. Most girls are looking for a sugar daddy. The downside is it can get very expensive. Last time I was there (about three years ago when I was last living in SF) it cost US$40 to get in. Thirty minutes in a private room and a covered blow job would set you back a few hundred. I doubt if you could find a girl who would give you a BBBJ. For a vaginal fuck you're looking at $1000+. Never asked for A-level. One evening one of the girls I knew pointed out another girl who she said would do it for the right price.[/QUOTE]$1000 for a fuck? Why? Every MP in town is FS. There is some pretty hot ass in Frisco. Many Viets in the AMP's who will fuck you silly for less than $200.

What's going on with all this talk about American strip clubs in the Bangkok forum? I have to admit though, some years back I used to frequent them too, but after some mongering trips I realized its better to save your cash for actual sex then just a bunch of lapdances. Let's put it this way, $20 bucks gets you one lapdance, maybe 3 minutes at best. That means a 30 minute lapdance is around $200 bucks, but let's face it, in Vegas and New York, that'll set you back $300 to $400. With $300 bucks, you can bang a chick in showpark prague for 2 and a half hours. For $400 bucks you can have a decent independent escort for 3 hours. And I have been told and from the research I've done, for that kind of cash, you can have a chick in Bangkok for 24 hours. When I started mongering, somehow strip clubs just lost their allure for me. Unless there's a guaranteed chance for sex, there's just no point really. Maybe if you're in a city like prague, and you want to get yourself going before actually going someplace else to fuck, I suppose it makes sense. There was a time for years though I spent many a day in strip clubs all over the US. But nowadays I'd rather just save my cash, and then go for a mongering trip to have as much pussy as I can for a week then go home. Here, check this guy out [url]http://petertips.********.com/[/url]

I have no idea who he is, but I think he strikes the best balance of enjoying bot the brothels and the strip clubs. He's got some great reviews as well. Whoever he is, he's got some cash to travel the world like that. Man, that's living life.

USA is a sex prison. Guns and killing everywhere, jack booted militarized police (and even armed PARKING INSPECTORS) but flash a bit of cock with consenting adults and go to jail with regular, organized stings to get statistics up. Gee how brave and fearless.

Asia, here I come

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1373402]$1000 for a fuck? Why? Every MP in town is FS. There is some pretty hot ass in Frisco. Many Viets in the AMP's who will fuck you silly for less than $200.[/QUOTE]Right. FS at an MP is readily available and reasonable. Be advised, many of the ladies at the MPs are sex slaves. I mention Mitchel Brothers because the conversation was about strip clubs. Like I said, they are expensive and I never paid for a fuck on the premise. I did see one of the ladies outside on an overnight "date". Took her up to wine country. Expensive couple of days, but worth it to me. By the way, people in San Francisco hate it when people call it "Frisco." Doesn't bother me and one of the things that annoyed me about the city is there are a lot of conceited, narcissistic people living there.

[QUOTE=Pahllus Maximus; 1373441]USA is a sex prison. Guns and killing everywhere, jack booted militarized police (and even armed PARKING INSPECTORS) but flash a bit of cock with consenting adults and go to jail with regular, organized stings to get statistics up. Gee how brave and fearless.

Asia, here I come[/QUOTE]The religious right. Biggest hypocrites I ever met.

I move this thread be renamed to the "USA" Thread.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1373448]The religious right. Biggest hypocrites I ever met.[/QUOTE]Well, besides the religious left.

Where did it go? Vanished, gone, disappeared into the night. But I did notice the ladies moved from BB to Nuru and now the asking price is double to boom boom these same ladies, Eh? Smart move or? But I see some old faces back at the Salon, which is good?

Ohhhh the Budget has went out of the Banger or did the Banger go out of the Budget? Who knows, Who cares, Who can be bothered.

Any intel?

I love the US, I'm from here. But this is the Bangkok thread. To get us back to talking about Bangkok, anybody see that documentary on netflix? It's called "working girls glory". It was a triptych on major prostitution venues. Not major to us average mongers, but major to the people living there. One was a fishtank brothel aptly named 'the fish tank, the other was that brothel city in bangladesh and another one was a border town in mexico. The bangladesh one was easily the saddest. Obviously only used by the bangladesh fellas, the women there were living in absolutely horrendous conditions. The mexican area didn't look that much better. But the thai place. Now, that's what I'm talking about. Made in 2010, I can only assume that place is still open, and I know there are a million places like that in Bangkok, but now that that place has been on tv, I just really want to go there. But when I search online there is nothing about it, it just goes straight to the references from the documentary itself. Anybody know where this place is in Bangkok? Supposedly it's named 'the fish tank'. I know, I may or may not go to Bangkok, still mulling it over, but if I do, I'd like to take a looksee at the place.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1373088]Go to some of the strip clubs in San Francisco. One I know well is The Mitchel Brother's O'Farrell Theater. Mitchell brothers as in "Behind the Green Door". Though they're both dead now. I used to take clients from Asia there on business. There is a cover; its not cheap; but the girls are all 9s & 10s; a mix of different races and nationalities. Some touching and lap dancing in the public area. There are private booth where you can get whatever you're willing to pay for. And I mean anything! You can make arrangements to see the girls outside the club when they're not working. A few are students (really) and have boyfriends. Most girls are looking for a sugar daddy. The downside is it can get very expensive. Last time I was there (about three years ago when I was last living in SF) it cost US$40 to get in. Thirty minutes in a private room and a covered blow job would set you back a few hundred. I doubt if you could find a girl who would give you a BBBJ. For a vaginal fuck you're looking at $1000+. Never asked for A-level. One evening one of the girls I knew pointed out another girl who she said would do it for the right price.[/QUOTE]Yes Mithell Brothers is a well known upscale club, but far too expensive for what you may get. At the best, a very clinical CBJ, after the girl had put on her gloves. For a couple of Hundreds. No, thanks.

There are other clubs, more seedy, in SF, which may be fun. You can spend a few hours, tip one dollar bill repeatdely, which gives you a 30 s window to grope what you can. That's fun to spend time between fucks. But to really have a good FS session, one needs to go elsewhere, MPs or else.

Other good strip clubs are in Florida, Tampa precisely. Here you can get a bit more for less than in SF.

But at the end, I agree with the initial stements that US strip clubs are on the whole rip=off places. Having said that, what else do you do if you are stuck in a Mid West town and have some time free? I rather go to a strip club than to a rodeo.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1373251]Of course the reason over priced no touch (and now even no nudity) strip clubs exist in the US is that prostitution is illegal. Why else would someone drop hundreds of dollars to leave a place with blue balls? The strange thing is that there are Asian massage parlors in basically every city that has a strip club, so I never could figure out why guys don't just go to them instead.

You guys who want no touch strip clubs in Bangkok please stay in America. Seriously. It's bad enough already with some of the A Go Go's in Pattaya having lapdances and dancers who refuse to barfine. Don't make it worse than it is, I beg you![/QUOTE]Noone ever suggested a US style strip club in BKK. Some of us wish the best of both, that is all day long nude dancing, cheap nude lapdance, with all touching allowed, and no pressure to take out, local girls, and local services. I don't choose to go to the US, but when I have to go, I appreciate to have a place to hang on if I have a couple of hours free. I don't have to pay for what I am not interested in, but I can spend some time while watching nude girls, getting my battery recharged.

[QUOTE=Dreams;1373570]Noone ever suggested a US style strip club in BKK. Some of us wish the best of both, that is all day long nude dancing, cheap nude lapdance, with all touching allowed, and no pressure to take out, local girls, and local services. I don't choose to go to the US, but when I have to go, I appreciate to have a place to hang on if I have a couple of hours free. I don't have to pay for what I am not interested in, but I can spend some time while watching nude girls, getting my battery recharged.[/QUOTE]Sounds exactly like most agogo clubs in Soi Cowboy. Sure the girls will be available to come with you to your room, but one friendly "no" and a smile will stop them. Most of the visitors in agogo clubs go out alone again. For the price of a ladydrink (4 or 5 USD) you get her to sit with you for as long as her drink lasts. Touching is definitely allowed. And though they perhaps are not very much into a lapdance, their little hands will find the way to your shorts quickly.

[quote=dreams; 1373567]yes mithell brothers is a well known upscale club, but far too expensive for what you may get. at the best, a very clinical cbj, after the girl had put on her gloves. for a couple of hundreds. no, thanks.

there are other clubs, more seedy, in sf, which may be fun. you can spend a few hours, tip one dollar bill repeatdely, which gives you a 30 s window to grope what you can. that's fun to spend time between fucks. but to really have a good fs session, one needs to go elsewhere, mps or else.

other good strip clubs are in florida, tampa precisely. here you can get a bit more for less than in sf.

but at the end, i agree with the initial stements that us strip clubs are on the whole rip=off places. having said that, what else do you do if you are stuck in a mid west town and have some time free? i rather go to a strip club than to a rodeo.[/quote]i hate us strip clubs for the most part. its annoying when the same ugly girl asks you for a dance for the umpeenth time! about the only advantage is the girls tend to dance better than their issarn sisters

[QUOTE=Pahllus Maximus; 1373441]USA is a sex prison. Guns and killing everywhere, jack booted militarized police (and even armed PARKING INSPECTORS) but flash a bit of cock with consenting adults and go to jail with regular, organized stings to get statistics up. Gee how brave and fearless.

Asia, here I come[/QUOTE]I'm not sure if I'd call it a sex prison per se. It's not like its against the law to have sex with females in America (providing legal age of course) if I remember correctly LOL. The problem lies with the typical American girl is quite fat and unattractive. This being the Thailand thread, I'm sure most members aren't into having sex with fat pussy, however, if someone is one of those oddballs with a fat pig pussy fetish, than by all means, you'll be in heaven, with more pussy than you could ever handle on a given night.

Just completed a whirlwind weekend visit to BKK.

Almost don't understand why it needs a forum.

From the moment I left the airport till I returned, sex was on sale everywhere anytime of the day or night.

Stayed at Maxim's Inn on suhumvit (sp?) 7 as recommended by a few people here.

After walking down that lane there is no walk of shame, its nothing but wall to wall pussy for sale.

They didn't bat an I when I strolled in at 5am with 2 birds.

All the viagra and vitamin C you want for sale on every corner.

As a point of reference I paid 500baht for 2 boxes of Vitamin C 4 per box.

P4P or freebees what a place.

Variety? I had 1 viet. 1 Laos and 2 Thai in my 2 days there.

Not bad for a over the hill 57 year old fat fart.

Using the mychat app you will get hits constantly with some really nice photo's attached.

Nuf said, buy your ticket and go.

Nobody special

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1373607]It's not like its against the law to have sex with females in America (providing legal age of course) if I remember correctly LOL.[/QUOTE]Unless you pay the females to have sex with you. Then it is called prostitution and it is in most of the USA illegal.

Of course, giving your GF a pearl necklace (a real one) in the hope if being allowed to give her a pearl necklace (the fun version) , then it is OK.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1373784]Unless you pay the females to have sex with you. Then it is called prostitution and it is in most of the USA illegal.

Of course, giving your GF a pearl necklace (a real one) in the hope if being allowed to give her a pearl necklace (the fun version) , then it is OK.[/QUOTE]If you are saying that US non p4p girls are really some of the biggest hookers in the world, I agree.

Stop talking about the US, this is a BKK room.

[QUOTE=Nobody Special;1373658]Just completed a whirlwind weekend visit to BKK. Almost don't understand why it needs a forum.Nobody special[/QUOTE]Matter of fact there is lots of people coming here and ask for details, directions, for escort agencies, for names, for phone nos.

Then of course they never report back. Fully agreeing with you, of course.

Just walk on lower Sukh and the biggest problem is who to chose.

[QUOTE=Nobody Special; 1373658]Just completed a whirlwind weekend visit to BKK.

Almost don't understand why it needs a forum.

From the moment I left the airport till I returned, sex was on sale everywhere anytime of the day or night.

Stayed at Maxim's Inn on suhumvit (sp?) 7 as recommended by a few people here.

After walking down that lane there is no walk of shame, its nothing but wall to wall pussy for sale.

They didn't bat an I when I strolled in at 5am with 2 birds.

All the viagra and vitamin C you want for sale on every corner.

As a point of reference I paid 500baht for 2 boxes of Vitamin C 4 per box.

P4P or freebees what a place.

Variety? I had 1 viet. 1 Laos and 2 Thai in my 2 days there.

Not bad for a over the hill 57 year old fat fart.

Using the mychat app you will get hits constantly with some really nice photo's attached.

Nuf said, buy your ticket and go.

Nobody special[/QUOTE]What? You are not going to ask us where the girls are?

HAHA.

Thanks for your common sense accurate report.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1373575]Sounds exactly like most agogo clubs in Soi Cowboy. Sure the girls will be available to come with you to your room, but one friendly "no" and a smile will stop them. Most of the visitors in agogo clubs go out alone again. For the price of a ladydrink (4 or 5 USD) you get her to sit with you for as long as her drink lasts. Touching is definitely allowed. And though they perhaps are not very much into a lapdance, their little hands will find the way to your shorts quickly.[/QUOTE]Yes, I would agree that the cowboy clubs are the closest to the US clubs. Big difference though are are opening times. Nothing to do in BKK during day time, unless you want to fuck. Sorry, I don't mean to offend anyone, but I have no interest in wandering shopping malls, or visiting tourists places I have already seen many times. Neither do I enjoy wandering in the heat and humidity, nor having painful conversation with girls who hardly speak english and could be my grand daughters. I understand perfectly why other would like all this though, but I need advice on what to do between Fucks.

[QUOTE=Dreams;1373953]having painful conversation with girls who hardly speak english and could be my grand daughters. .[/QUOTE]Not that in gogo the girls are any older. If you are not looking for granddaughters, you can still find choices in the bars and in the streets. BKK is not a significant tourist destination as NYC, or whatever, but I think it pairs with Tokyo, for instance. I think Singapore or HongKong are not much different than BKK.

[QUOTE=Zeerover;1373806]Stop talking about the US, this is a BKK room.[/QUOTE]Dude, you have 5 fucking posts so keep your zipper shut. Contribute a little bit to the Forum first before coming out here guns blazing trying to put people in line. You have not paid your membership (you are a regular member) and not brought anything useful here yet.

If you are not happy with a post, then hit the "Report post" Button and a moderator will review it and decide what to do with it.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1373980]Dude, you have 5 fucking posts so keep your zipper shut. Contribute a little bit to the Forum first before coming out here guns blazing trying to put people in line. You have not paid your membership (you are a regular member) and not brought anything useful here yet.

If you are not happy with a post, then hit the "Report post" Button and a moderator will review it and decide what to do with it.[/QUOTE]There are 6 pages of nonsense. If you guys want to talk about airmiles or Las Vegas strip clubs do it elsewhere please.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1373980]Dude, you have 5 fucking posts so keep your zipper shut. Contribute a little bit to the Forum first before coming out here guns blazing trying to put people in line.[/QUOTE]Not quite called for, when he makes a very valid point.

I don't think someone, making a valid point, is dependent on having large post history. This thread about the USA is boring to me. I don't live in the USA, don't want to go there for holidays, and resist working there. I do like some of the natural scenery there. That's about it. Maybe this whole thread should go on my mental ignore list like many others I don't read.

There are posters with large counts that contribute little useful information too (not referring to you). You know what I mean. All the exclusively whingers / complainers / shit-dumpers. I find them more annoying than newbies, who haven't yet had a chance to pollute the forum too extensively.

Some Bangkok experience reports would be nice, including from that newbie.

I get BBFS all the time, but it's never offered to me. You have to request it and have the know how to get it.

The Bangkok streetwalkers (SWs) I've seen since 2007 "always use condoms for FS" too, that is until you decide you want to forgoe the plastic baggie. Then it's about 10 percent of them will insist on a rubber.

I had one the other day who claimed to have no condom, yet insisted I use one. That saved her about 10 baht. Another SW insister brought her own. That was unusual to have 2 ladies in one night require I use a condom. Even more unusual that I went along with it & enjoyed myself, as they were so hot, moreso than 90 percent of Rainbow 4 gals. I used all my skills & tactics to get them to forgoe, but they wouldn't budge. Maybe next time I'll try alcohol, LOL. BTW the other 2 SWs I had that night were easy to do au naturelle, one from, you guessed it, Isarn.

That's my obligatory annual BKK report. Now let's get back to more interesting discussions, like comparing sex in Bangkok to the USA, PI & Phnom Penh.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1373961]Not that in gogo the girls are any older. If you are not looking for granddaughters, you can still find choices in the bars and in the streets. BKK is not a significant tourist destination as NYC, or whatever, but I think it pairs with Tokyo, for instance. I think Singapore or HongKong are not much different than BKK.[/QUOTE]If you compare sex tourist destinations, Thailand has more reports on ISG than any other Asian country.

I think India or the Philippines may be second. China is also way up there.

Japan is way down the list. Likewise with Singapore & HKG. HKG is ridiculously expensive for hotels, BTW.

Even places like Vietnam & Cambodia rival Japan.

Since hearing of this place opening I had planned to see what it was like. In the interim a member of staff from the salon was now working there, I had been reliably informed. Hands up when this girl worked at the Salon I found her oddly attractive. I say oddly because she does not fit the remit of the type of lady I am normally attracted to and I have a strict policy of professionalism towards the ladies who work for me. So Monday at around 7 o'clock as I walked in there were three ladies sitting outside and low and behold one of them was indeed the girl who had previously worked at the salon, BINGO!

Two girls followed me inside, I greeted them and told them straight away what I do. I asked if this would be a problem and with a smile Som, as it turned out, insisted it was fine. Point 1, before the usual 2-3 idiots jump on this and say "there he goes again, name dropping all over Bangkok thinking he is a big shot" WRONG I wanted to be honest up front. Point 2, Difficult not to be honest as the girl recognized me.

I read on another forum that you have to walk through a seated restaurant area to get to this place. Not correct, you walk past it. The ground floor is quite nice with a couple of sofa's and chairs on either side and a corner bar at the back on the left. I sat at the bar and ordered a drink, asked if the particular lady was available and was told she was. Out of respect I asked Som to check if the lady was comfortable with the idea of spending time with me and offered to take another lady if she wasn't. I don't go along with the "I pay I decide" notion and try to make the girls feel as comfortable as possible. To my relief she assured me she was fine.

After grabbing another drink each we headed upstairs (I opted for the 1, 700 thb choice). This price gives you one hour in one of their better rooms, Som did say if I go over by a few minutes not to worry. I can see where they got their model for the lay-out of the rooms. Imitation, flattery and all that. I was led to the top floor which appeared to have three rooms and one communal shower.

The room is very straight forward with a large very comfortable bed and a choice of main light or softer red light. Onto the shower, the lady joined me in the shower but was not as intimate as I know some people like but personally it does not rate with me. I'm sure if I had asked she would have obliged and bear in mind this was our first encounter. The lady has put on some weight since she worked at the Salon (but so have I since stopping smoking 7 weeks ago) but I have been deliberately deviating from the normal type of lady I go for. She is quite short with a very Issan face and a bit of a round arse, for some reason I wanted to try her when I first saw her.

Performance:

More reactive than proactive.

GFE rating: 7/10.

PSE rating: No.

Enjoyment on her part: 7/10 or very good acting.

Enjoyment on my part: 8/10.

DFK rating: 6/10.

DATY: Yes.

BBBJ: This was particularly good 8. 5/10. She started with an under and around the scrotum lick and suck then progressed slowly to the actual BJ. Her technique is slow and soft which is exactly to my liking. She was very accommodating when I asked her to vary it at certain points. I asked for DT and got the "I would rather not type of smile". To her credit she soon swallowed as much of it as she could bear (I am not too hard to give DT to). She slobbered on it a bit which again is something I enjoy. She upped the pace 2-3 minutes before asking "condom now" which was nice.

Actual sex: Again more reactive than proactive, but no resistance to any position I asked for. Didn't ask for A+ as it's not a big thing for me.

Clock watching: Never.

Effort to please: 8/10.

Over all attitude: 7. 5/10.

Repeat visit: With this girl, yes.

I would caution this lady, or even the venue, would definitely not be to everyone's taste but I was satisfied with the outcome. As I pointed out I had wanted to do this girl very shortly after seeing her despite the fact she is not really my type. It turned out I had gone over the specified time but this was an issue for them. I had one more drink and a brief chat with Som on my way out. She came over as very pleasant and was eager for any feed back I could offer. They have five girls working there, but have not been up and running for very long. Saw one more customer there, bear in mind this was a Monday night. Will repeat at some point but not sure when.

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Harold444;1373595]You guys don't know what you got here in Bangkok! It is so freakin true- new providers are showing up everyday to replace the old haggardlys. LOL.[/QUOTE]Horseshit. It is not being jaded, it is just being honest. Case in point, a few years ago Apple was middle of the pack, not even close to the best looking at Mango. Now she might be the best looking at Cherry or Mango for that matter. A few years ago June was the best looking at SW, June is still the best looking at SW.

All this talk about US strip clubs, to me BKK gogos are about the same now. The last two times I have been to Soi Cowboy, it was packed to the fucking gills. A complete sausage fest. Even the shithole bars with a few girls, ass in every seat. Tourist times are booming here. A lot of the girls now make plenty of money, just dancing and being twats. Sound familiar?

And the fresh meat? The new faces? Deer in the headlight girls from Cambodia and Laos, on tourist visas who just want to get the shit over with so they can get back to playing with thier phones.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1373575]Sounds exactly like most agogo clubs in Soi Cowboy. Sure the girls will be available to come with you to your room, but one friendly "no" and a smile will stop them.[/QUOTE]I think the issue is that lots of guys let the Mamasan and the girls manage them rather than them managing the girls. When the mamasan comes over and tries to put pressure on the guy to BF or to pick a girl to come sit next to him they get flustered. They get nervous and pick a girl or feel uncomfortable because they aren't sure they want this girl. These are likely the same guys that the taxi drivers drive around in circles. Dudes, grow a pair and put on your steel face when they try to pressure you. Show them you know what you are doing and will work at your own pace.

[QUOTE=Dreams;1373953]I need advice on what to do between Fucks.[/QUOTE]Get blowjobs?

[QUOTE=Oidar;1374068]Horseshit. It is not being jaded, it is just being honest. Case in point, a few years ago Apple was middle of the pack, not even close to the best looking at Mango. Now she might be the best looking at Cherry or Mango for that matter. A few years ago June was the best looking at SW, June is still the best looking at SW.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Overall there is less and less talent about and far more dudes.

Going to be in Thailand for 6 days. Where is a good club that plays rock music in BKK?

Some fun and decent quality go go bars in nana plaza and soi cowboy?

Late nite disco thats NOT with many ladyboys there

Thank you so much

[QUOTE=Pita123;1374075]Get blowjobs?[/QUOTE]Well, yea sure but after the first couple of days in the LOS just how many times can you come in a day?

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1373595]Some of you need to get out of town for a while. You have become just as jaded as those you * about.

You guys don't know what you got here in Bangkok! It is so freakin true- new providers are showing up everyday to replace the old haggardlys. LOL.[/QUOTE]True, and what's going to replace Bangkok anyways, as nothing comparable is on the horizon, with for example the NGO's (and other busy body groups) all over Burma now trying to make sure it doesn't become the next Thailand. As for prices in Bangkok, they're going up, that is true, but consider that China is the next economic superpower and they got almost 30 million more males than females. Wait until that money flows into Thailand. The point is one has to enjoy the feast when its on the table, because it won't last forever.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1373595]Some of you need to get out of town for a while. You have become just as jaded as those you * about.

You guys don't know what you got here in Bangkok! It is so freakin true- new providers are showing up everyday to replace the old haggardlys. LOL.[/QUOTE]True, and what's going to replace Bangkok anyways, as nothing comparable is on the horizon, with for example the NGO's (and other busy body groups) all over Burma now trying to make sure it doesn't become the next Thailand. As for prices in Bangkok, they're going up, that is true, but consider that China is the next economic superpower and they got almost 30 million more males than females. Wait until that money flows into Thailand. The point is one has to enjoy the feast when its on the table, because it won't last forever.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1373595]Some of you need to get out of town for a while.[/QUOTE]Harold444,

That's correct. Please leave.

Don't ever come back, asshole.


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[QUOTE=Western787;1374194]The point is one has to enjoy the feast when its on the table, because it won't last forever.[/QUOTE]That was very well said. I've argued a long time that the cost of mongering is more about economic factors than just what a few of us here on this board are doing. I'm doing some Asian running around with MDE Bob. Part of his itinerary was the high end mongering in Shanghai. Not for the weak of wallet.

I have a friend back home that imports very expensive video surveillance equipment from Korea. Providing hookers for customers is a cultural thing in Asia. That Chinese money will be a game changer all over Asia. I used to get Russian devs for $50 US. You'de have to be in Siberia to get that now.

Yeah things are heading downhill quickly in Bangkok.

Even the NPL SW stunners are starting to ask 1500 Baht ST.

I think it may be time to head to greener pastures in PI.

"When asked what major change they would make if they could do it all over."

I would have gotten more poontang.

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[QUOTE=Oidar;1374068]Horseshit. It is not being jaded, it is just being honest. Case in point, a few years ago Apple was middle of the pack, not even close to the best looking at Mango. Now she might be the best looking at Cherry or Mango for that matter. A few years ago June was the best looking at SW, June is still the best looking at SW.[/QUOTE]Yes agree. It was very hard to choose anyone at SW other than June. I can't remember trying any other girl. I liked cute little Cat at Mango and also Cherry. Did not yet find a replacement with good enough looks. I find myself trolling the Massage Models web site and making lists of all the best lookers to try. So I aim to visit several soapies with a list of girls to ask to see, if they actually still work there. Patience is often required to get to the best girls. E. G. If they tellme she will come out in 60 mins time, might just have to wait to see the real girl.

Often the lineups available can be decpetive.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1374251]That Chinese money will be a game changer all over Asia.[/QUOTE]Perhaps not so much in the PI. At least, unlike TGs, those in the PI don't seem to care for Korean & Japanese customers:

"Sure it could happen, especially at a place like Atlantis. I have seen girls refuse to go out with Koreans and some other older white guys. I'd say at least half of the Pinays I've been with have told me they don't like Koreans, Japanese, black guys and / or Indians. They seem to like to volunteer this information. Asked one girl who I ended up taking a few days why she didn't go with the big spender Korean she was sitting with early. She said "Koreans are bad. Drink okay, but not go out. I always tell them I have mens [period] if they try to barfine me."

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1374303]Yes agree. It was very hard to choose anyone at SW other than June. I can't remember trying any other girl. I liked cute little Cat at Mango and also Cherry. Did not yet find a replacement with good enough looks. I find myself trolling the Massage Models web site and making lists of all the best lookers to try. So I aim to visit several soapies with a list of girls to ask to see, if they actually still work there. Patience is often required to get to the best girls. E. G. If they tellme she will come out in 60 mins time, might just have to wait to see the real girl.

Often the lineups available can be decpetive.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately I am finding that the lookers these days are providing less and less. Still say if someone were to open a shop with all top caliber lookers who provided Tulip style PSEs, they could charge big baht and do very well. I would sure pay for that. Problem is for many Thai girls, being very open sexually is still taboo. They still feel "dirty." Shame. Guess that is why you have so many of the pretties who want to "work" at Kapoo places where they simply provide HJs.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1374337]You guys are wusses! Worried about China and india driving up prices. LOL. The economy that drive the whole world is USA, and with a guy determined to bring it down to its knees who is going to buy all these things China will be producing?

I noticed the dollar has gone below 30 vis a vie the baht. How low can it go? I'm thinking 22 or 23.

I still think if you complain about BKK pricing you need to make more money-not have the Bangkok girls take less. LOL.[/QUOTE]Right on with that.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1373994]Not quite called for, when he makes a very valid point.[/QUOTE]I am not saying he did not have a Valid point, I know he had one, but looking at his post history all he did was complain.

Sorry, but you can't really complain about something that is free right? Anyway, maybe I went a little too far hehe, sorry if I offended anyone.

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1374048]I would caution this lady, or even the venue, would definitely not be to everyone's taste but I was satisfied with the outcome. As I pointed out I had wanted to do this girl very shortly after seeing her despite the fact she is not really my type. It turned out I had gone over the specified time but this was an issue for them. I had one more drink and a brief chat with Som on my way out. She came over as very pleasant and was eager for any feed back I could offer. They have five girls working there, but have not been up and running for very long. Saw one more customer there, bear in mind this was a Monday night. Will repeat at some point but not sure when.

Regards,

BJ[/QUOTE]Very nice report! Very objective and I agree with you, you did well to come clean about who you were.

And, congrats on the smoke quitting, Pussies will taste so much better now.

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1374048]Since hearing of this place opening I had planned to see what it was like. In the interim a member of staff from the salon was now working there, I had been reliably informed. Hands up when this girl worked at the Salon I found her oddly attractive. I say oddly because she does not fit the remit of the type of lady I am normally attracted to and I have a strict policy of professionalism towards the ladies who work for me. So Monday at around 7 o'clock as I walked in there were three ladies sitting outside and low and behold one of them was indeed the girl who had previously worked at the salon, BINGO!

Two girls followed me inside, I greeted them and told them straight away what I do. I asked if this would be a problem and with a smile Som, as it turned out, insisted it was fine. Point 1, before the usual 2-3 idiots jump on this and say "there he goes again, name dropping all over Bangkok thinking he is a big shot" WRONG I wanted to be honest up front. Point 2, Difficult not to be honest as the girl recognized me.

BJ[/QUOTE]Hi,

Thanks for the report. Where is this place located, and what's the name of it?

Is "Som" the name of the girl you're with, or is she the owner / manager, can't 100% pigure it out.

I'm no pro, but this is my 4th trip to LOS. I pulled a freebie from Instanity last weekend so I guess I still got it. Anyways, after a wonderful but expensive night at PatPong, I was ready to for a round 2 at Soi Cowboy. Started the night a little late around 10, but quickly found a doll at Baccara Bar. 2 Lady drinks later, I pop the Q to bar fine her and she said,"no bar fine". Damn it! Damage 800thb.

So I wast a couple more drinks at other bars until I find Deja Vu. Wow, this play was packed with stunners and not too many customers. If something is too good to be true, it probably is. I had no problem finding attractive dolls to pull over, but after 2 different girls said they couldn't be bar fined, I asked to mama about a 3rd. She said could ST but no LT, so I bought her a drink and pulled her over. Instead of drinking and talking to me for a min, she went up on the stage leaving me for about 15 min. When she came back she said no bar fine. Wow!

Screw Deja Vu, so I tried to get them to take the last lady drink off my tab. Instead of listening to me. 3 thugs threatened to take me to the back if I didn't pay. So I paid and started walked home alone. Terrible night! Total damage over 2000thb. Results barely a buzz and a bad mood.

So is Soi Cowboy just a scam now after Hangover 2? Or did I just have bad luck by trying to barfine the attractive girls?

[QUOTE=Dr BJ;1374048]It turned out I had gone over the specified time but this was an issue for them[/QUOTE]Need to make a correction to my original post. Despite exceeding the agreed time this was NOT an issue for them.

Regards,

BJ

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[QUOTE=Sailmandk; 1374487]Hi,

Thanks for the report. Where is this place located, and what's the name of it?

Is "Som" the name of the girl you're with, or is she the owner / manager, can't 100% pigure it out.[/QUOTE]It's a BJ (and more) Bar on sukhumvit soi 14 called SOM's Place or something like that.

Search for a Poster called Pita123, he also wrote about that place.

[QUOTE=Slacka; 1374503]I'm no pro, but this is my 4th trip to LOS. I pulled a freebie from Instanity last weekend so I guess I still got it. Anyways, after a wonderful but expensive night at PatPong, I was ready to for a round 2 at Soi Cowboy. Started the night a little late around 10, but quickly found a doll at Baccara Bar. 2 Lady drinks later, I pop the Q to bar fine her and she said,"no bar fine". Damn it! Damage 800thb.

So I wast a couple more drinks at other bars until I find Deja Vu. Wow, this play was packed with stunners and not too many customers. If something is too good to be true, it probably is. I had no problem finding attractive dolls to pull over, but after 2 different girls said they couldn't be bar fined, I asked to mama about a 3rd. She said could ST but no LT, so I bought her a drink and pulled her over. Instead of drinking and talking to me for a min, she went up on the stage leaving me for about 15 min. When she came back she said no bar fine. Wow!

Screw Deja Vu, so I tried to get them to take the last lady drink off my tab. Instead of listening to me. 3 thugs threatened to take me to the back if I didn't pay. So I paid and started walked home alone. Terrible night! Total damage over 2000thb. Results barely a buzz and a bad mood.

So is Soi Cowboy just a scam now after Hangover 2? Or did I just have bad luck by trying to barfine the attractive girls?[/QUOTE]I had to chuckle after reading this. Are you overselling yourself? When did the punters started the sales pitch?

Best solution for you is call the girl over, ask if she wants barfine and then only order LD.

[QUOTE=Dr BJ;1374048]Since hearing of this place opening I had planned to see what it was like. In the interim a member of staff from the salon was now working there, I had been reliably informed. Hands up when this girl worked at the Salon I found her oddly attractive. I say oddly because she does not fit the remit of the type of lady I am normally attracted to and I have a strict policy of professionalism towards the ladies who work for me. So Monday at around 7 o'clock as I walked in there were three ladies sitting outside and low and behold one of them was indeed the girl who had previously worked at the salon, BINGO! .....
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[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1374575]It's a BJ (and more) Bar on sukhumvit soi 14 called SOM's Place or something like that.

Search for a Poster called Pita123, he also wrote about that place.[/QUOTE]The place is called SAM'S HAVEN (yes, HAVEN and not HEAVEN).

When you enter Soi 14 from Sukhumvit, it is the first subsoi to the right, right next to SUDA restaurant.

This resto is busy and serves very good food at low prices. In the attached photo you can just barely see some red lights/signs to the right of the resto at the very right hand side of the photo. That's SAM'S HAVEN.

I know this is off topic but in a sense it isn't

Does anyone know of a trustworthy online site for cheap viagra? I'm preparing a 2 month trip to se asia and would like to be prepared, I just want to be sure that I can rock out with my cock out

Any info would be welcomed or should I say well cumed.

I will most definitely write field reports complete with pictures and all the info needed for the rest of you to benefit.

Thanks in advance, LuvAsianTang

[QUOTE=Sammon; 1374580]I had to chuckle after reading this. Are you overselling yourself? When did the punters started the sales pitch?

Best solution for you is call the girl over, ask if she wants barfine and then only order LD.[/QUOTE]I heard this a few times on Soi Cowboy on my New Years trip. All were keen to meet as soon as work finished though. They've clearly never seen what state I'm in by 3 a. M!

Have to say never heard it in Baccarra though. Was my go to spot if I fancied a fast exit.

Other top tip was Climax disco. Great band and plenty of FL girls

[url]http://www.somhaven.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=SailmanDk; 1374487]Hi,

Thanks for the report. Where is this place located, and what's the name of it?

Is "Som" the name of the girl you're with, or is she the owner / manager, can't 100% pigure it out.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LuvAsianTang; 1374686]I know this is off topic but in a sense it isn't

Does anyone know of a trustworthy online site for cheap viagra? I'm preparing a 2 month trip to se asia and would like to be prepared, I just want to be sure that I can rock out with my cock out

Any info would be welcomed or should I say well cumed.

I will most definitely write field reports complete with pictures and all the info needed for the rest of you to benefit.

Thanks in advance, LuvAsianTang[/QUOTE]Or just Viagra online sales. There will be plenty of choices. Allow minimum 6 weeks for delivery as most of it comes from India. DO NOT give them your phone number or you will get a call every day asking you to get more and you will not be able to stop it.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1374746]Or just Viagra online sales. There will be plenty of choices. Allow minimum 6 weeks for delivery as most of it comes from India. DO NOT give them your phone number or you will get a call every day asking you to get more and you will not be able to stop it.[/QUOTE] No need to Google; just check your spam in-box. They are NOT Canadian. They are NOT a pharmacy. They are the Internet's most prolific spammers. I can't believe anyone would actually send money to this iffy organization in the hope that they will send real Viagra. All you do is encourage these scourges of the Internet to fill your in-box with spam because they found another sucker.

Ooops I was wrong. Som's Haven, not Sam's Haven.

[QUOTE=Harry Dude; 1374673]The place is called SAM'S HAVEN (yes, HAVEN and not HEAVEN).

When you enter Soi 14 from Sukhumvit, it is the first subsoi to the right, right next to SUDA restaurant.

This resto is busy and serves very good food at low prices. In the attached photo you can just barely see some red lights / signs to the right of the resto at the very right hand side of the photo. That's SAM'S HAVEN.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Harry Dude;1374673]The place is called SAM'S HAVEN[/QUOTE]SOM's Haven, not SAM's.

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=LuvAsianTang; 1374686]I know this is off topic but in a sense it isn't

Does anyone know of a trustworthy online site for cheap viagra? I'm preparing a 2 month trip to se asia and would like to be prepared, I just want to be sure that I can rock out with my cock out

Any info would be welcomed or should I say well cumed.

I will most definitely write field reports complete with pictures and all the info needed for the rest of you to benefit.

Thanks in advance, LuvAsianTang[/QUOTE]Another option would be to wait until you get here and use the Pharmacy at the bottom of Soi 4. It is situated on the right hand side as you walk up from Sukhumvit Road, almost opposite the entrance to Nana Plaza you can't miss it. This place is well known for only selling the genuine article, you do pay more than anywhere else but you do have peace of mind.

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1374836]Another option would be to wait until you get here and use the Pharmacy at the bottom of Soi 4. It is situated on the right hand side as you walk up from Sukhumvit Road, almost opposite the entrance to Nana Plaza you can't miss it. This place is well known for only selling the genuine article, you do pay more than anywhere else but you do have peace of mind.

Regards,

BJ[/QUOTE]"genuine article"? Not sure what that means. I would recommend "genuine" Kamagra (Viagra copy) in the green tabs as its just 400 Baht for pack of 4 tabs. If you use half a tab, that would be 50 Baht per occasion used. If you use only quarter or a third of a tab, than even less. Its pretty powerful stuff, so I suggest a full 100 mg tab is too strong for most guys.

Other aids to great sex (that may work just as well as Viagra) that I recommend, are losing weight, and drink alcohol only in moderation. Too much alcohol affects me like a sensation deadener, but I know some guys are unaffected.

Walking on Sukhumvit Soi 4 comes with dangers, as does Soi Cowboy if you are well known. Its sort of running the gauntlet. At 1PM today bumped into a girl I knew from many years back. Hair was completely different colour and now has bigger tits (LOL) but still looked very young and fresh even if she may be 30 now."Pim" from Morning Night bar. I even remembered the name after a few moments thought, but remembered her beautiful bald tight pussy first. This bar is a good option for guys looking for a bar girl well before normal bar hours.

I had a similar experience by starting to use Whatsapp and LINE with my Thai number. Suddenly girls I haven't been in touch with in 2-3 years ping me because they notice my user come up in their contact lists since my number is in their phone or their's in mine.

Interesting you should mention this. A 'good girl' (so she said but she was quick to jump in bed) from Tagged turned me onto Whatsapp and LINE about a month ago. So I downloaded the two apps on to my BB. Like yourself faces from the past start showing up. Most of them where on both sites.

[QUOTE=Pita123;1374896]I had a similar experience by starting to use Whatsapp and LINE with my Thai number. Suddenly girls I haven't been in touch with in 2-3 years ping me because they notice my user come up in their contact lists since my number is in their phone or their's in mine.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1374832]SOM's Haven, not SAM's.

Regards,

BJ[/QUOTE]I was walking along Sukhumvit today and there is now a sign on the corner of Soi14 advertising Som's place.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1374863]"genuine article"? Not sure what that means[/QUOTE]It means not fake or copy or imitation. The rest of your advice is sound enough if this guy was coming to Bangkok in 18 months, but he isn't. The other aspect of asking people to refrain from drinking too much may be a little thin considering they are coming here for a short term holiday. If you took the time to read the original post this guy was looking for advice on buying Viagra on the internet, never done it myself, but the general response was don't. I was trying to be helpful and give advice on where he could Buy Viagra, in Bangkok, which was not imitation or fake or copy, you know, the "genuine article".

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1374615]After reading Slacka's report I really doubt he got a fREEBIE at Instanity. He prolly was just clueless as to what was happening. Be careful fella.

As you found out at the deva vu bars. I keep readng to stay away from the arab owned bars so I stay away. LOL.

I think Slacka next adventure will be taking a tuk tuk s offer to sightsee BKK for 20 baht. LOL.[/QUOTE]LOL, I did say I'm no pro, but I once I get burned I try to learn from my lessons. In my past trips, I never remember having a major issue with bar fining gogo dancers. Either I had bad luck or Soi Cowboy has turned into a scam. I'm done with Cowboy, but Nana is still on my list. I'll try my luck with getting the girls to sit with me without buying them LDs and make sure my first question is "Can I bar fine you?" Are times changing? Or was I just unlucky at cowboy?

Oh about the freebie. The girl came to my table. Said I was cute and she was having a fighter with her BF. First just asked if she could drink with me, and later she said she didn't want to go back to her BF place and wanted to stay at my hotel, but no boom-boom. I agreed. In the morning she just asked for my number. Nothing with stolen. Not even awkward pause. She seemed like she was in a rush to get out and didn't even want to eat brunch with me.

Oh, And I took that 20 baht tuk tuk ride on my first trip here when I was about 20yr old. Lesson learned hard way. Too bad I didn't know about this forum back them.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1374746]Or just Viagra online sales. There will be plenty of choices. Allow minimum 6 weeks for delivery as most of it comes from India. DO NOT give them your phone number or you will get a call every day asking you to get more and you will not be able to stop it.[/QUOTE]Thanks FruitNinja, for your advice, but I tried google combined with [url]http://www.scamadviser.com/is-kmonlinepharmacy.com-safe.html[/url] And found that just about every site was dangerous or fake or both. The only.

Sites that got above the low 20% were sites that had no info for them to find, hence no bad rep's.

Have you had success with any that you can recommend?

Thanks, LuvAsianTang

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1374915]It means not fake or copy or imitation. The rest of your advice is sound enough if this guy was coming to Bangkok in 18 months, but he isn't. The other aspect of asking people to refrain from drinking too much may be a little thin considering they are coming here for a short term holiday. If you took the time to read the original post this guy was looking for advice on buying Viagra on the internet, never done it myself, but the general response was don't. I was trying to be helpful and give advice on where he could Buy Viagra, in Bangkok, which was not imitation or fake or copy, you know, the "genuine article".

Regards,

BJ[/QUOTE]BJ,

I was not criticising your post at all. I do agree with not buying on the internet. I was merely trying to indicate that there is no need to buy "genuine" Viagra at all (and wasn't sure if that was what you were recommending). He would pay a lot more. Kamagra with same ingredient is a lot cheaper at 400 Baht (I assume genuine Viagra is many times the price if you can get it). So Kamagra is not fake, but is a generic copy. Does anyone actually buy genuine Viagra in Bangkok? How to be sure its not a fake copy?

My advice about low alcohol and low weight is intended for various people in general. Not specifically for him. It has had great benefits for me. So I advise based on my experiences.

Good report.

[QUOTE=Dr BJ;1374048]She slobbered on it a bit which again is something I enjoy.[/QUOTE]For the life of me I don't understand what people like about this and spitting on it. If they are slobbering as part of Fire and Ice I like. But otherwise. The sound turns me off.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1375154]BJ,

I was not criticising your post at all. I do agree with not buying on the internet. I was merely trying to indicate that there is no need to buy "genuine" Viagra at all (and wasn't sure if that was what you were recommending). He would pay a lot more. Kamagra with same ingredient is a lot cheaper at 400 Baht (I assume genuine Viagra is many times the price if you can get it). So Kamagra is not fake, but is a generic copy. Does anyone actually buy genuine Viagra in Bangkok? How to be sure its not a fake copy?

My advice about low alcohol and low weight is intended for various people in general. Not specifically for him. It has had great benefits for me. So I advise based on my experiences.[/QUOTE]Actually I think I may have over-reacted to your comment, my apologies. I do have a couple of "genuine" (sic.) questions. Have you tried both the gel and the pill's or has anyone else? If so which do you prefer, I have only ever tried the gel but found it works well for me. Where do you buy your Kamagra from? Any comments or info from anyone else would be appreciated.

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1375178]Actually I think I may have over-reacted to your comment, my apologies. I do have a couple of "genuine" (sic.) questions. Have you tried both the gel and the pill's or has anyone else? If so which do you prefer, I have only ever tried the gel but found it works well for me. Where do you buy your Kamagra from? Any comments or info from anyone else would be appreciated.

Regards,

BJ[/QUOTE]I prefer the effervescent tablets Kamagra Fizz. Can be found in Pattaya, but over double the price of the gel.
Details to contributing senior members per PM.

But to be with the right girl works way better than any medicine for me.

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1375178]Actually I think I may have over-reacted to your comment, my apologies. I do have a couple of "genuine" (sic.) questions. Have you tried both the gel and the pill's or has anyone else? If so which do you prefer, I have only ever tried the gel but found it works well for me. Where do you buy your Kamagra from? Any comments or info from anyone else would be appreciated.

Regards,

BJ[/QUOTE]Lots of places sell. So get anywhere convenient. Like 2nd pharmacy between Soi 4 and Soi 2. Or first shop on left Soi 33.

I agree with tiger. A great girl gets you hard for long time anyway if not too many girls in same day.

I don't like gel. Too hard to split into small portions and messy.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1375214]Lots of places sell. So get anywhere convenient. Like 2nd pharmacy between Soi 4 and Soi 2. Or first shop on left Soi 33.

I agree with tiger. A great girl gets you hard for long time anyway if not too many girls in same day.

I don't like gel. Too hard to split into small portions and messy.[/QUOTE]Try the effervescent. Can be easily broken into 2 parts and dissolve in water. Just like drinking Vitamins.

[QUOTE=Yujin;1374754]No need to Google; just check your spam in-box. They are NOT Canadian. They are NOT a pharmacy. They are the Internet's most prolific spammers. I can't believe anyone would actually send money to this iffy organization in the hope that they will send real Viagra. All you do is encourage these scourges of the Internet to fill your in-box with spam because they found another sucker.[/QUOTE][url]Http://www.myaccessmedical.com/[/url] Is the first thing that comes up.

I have no problem buying online from these guys or any of the other thousands of links. I have the full protection of AMEX behind my order. If it doesn't come I don't get charged. The product I have received has worked like the brand name. Once I ordered and it was over the 6 weeks so I called and told them I was going to cancel the charge and they begged and pleaded and sent another order. I ended up getting both so it ended up 1/2 the already low price. Once it got intercepted by customs and they sent another package which arrived in 6 weeks. If you're buying with a card you have little to worry about, especially if its AMEX.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja; 1375232][url]Http://www.myaccessmedical.com/[/url]

Is the first thing that comes up.

I have no problem buying online from these guys or any of the other thousands of links. I have the full protection of AMEX behind my order. If it doesn't come I don't get charged. The product I have received has worked like the brand name. Once I ordered and it was over the 6 weeks so I called and told them I was going to cancel the charge and they begged and pleaded and sent another order. I ended up getting both so it ended up 1/2 the already low price. Once it got intercepted by customs and they sent another package which arrived in 6 weeks. If you're buying with a card you have little to worry about, especially if its AMEX.[/QUOTE]And of course we should conveniently forget that selling and buying meds on-line is actually illegal in many (European) countries.

And a "Canadian" Pharmacy with a server in the Ukraine; no address of the "pharmacy", not even a telephone number listed on their site; their "contact" is actually a web-form, rather than a genuine e-mail address; the registrant is from Moscow, Russia; their nameservers change about once a year and their IP address about once every six months; "customer reviews" for Cialis actually discuss Viagra; ... For a legit business they do their damnedest best to appear fake.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1374746]Or just Viagra online sales. There will be plenty of choices. Allow minimum 6 weeks for delivery as most of it comes from India. DO NOT give them your phone number or you will get a call every day asking you to get more and you will not be able to stop it.[/QUOTE]I ordered some prostate medecine from Canadian Online Pharmacy, it arrived, it works as well as the more than double price med it replaced, and I did make the mistake of following up the order when it took about 3 weeks to arrive. Ever since I have been spammed out of hotmail about 12 times a day. Interestingly. The drugs I got were stamped maximum retail price $6, so I paid $23 for a $6 dollar drug instead of the usual $53, so I was partly happy, but the spam shit is a pain. Makes a transit stop in DElhi or Bombay attractive.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja; 1375232][url]Http://www.myaccessmedical.com/[/url]

Is the first thing that comes up.

I have no problem buying online from these guys or any of the other thousands of links. I have the full protection of AMEX behind my order. If it doesn't come I don't get charged. The product I have received has worked like the brand name. Once I ordered and it was over the 6 weeks so I called and told them I was going to cancel the charge and they begged and pleaded and sent another order. I ended up getting both so it ended up 1/2 the already low price. Once it got intercepted by customs and they sent another package which arrived in 6 weeks. If you're buying with a card you have little to worry about, especially if its AMEX.[/QUOTE]Here's another one. I've bought Tadalafil from here with no problems. [url]http://www.rxwinners.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=Dr BJ;1375178]Where do you buy your Kamagra from? Any comments or info from anyone else would be appreciated[/QUOTE]Just checked at Pharmacy between Soi 2 and Soi 4. Kamagra is now just 300 Baht per 4 tabs of 100mg each. Viagra is 1800 Baht. So you must pay 6 times higher for original brand name. Ingredient is called Sildenafil (if I can spell correctly).

Tabs can be broken up to last 8 occasions. 12, or even 16 occasions as 100 mg is too powerful for most people. That is less than 10 cents per time. Its far more powerful than Cialis / Apcalis in my opinion. Never tried Levitra so can't comment on that one.

You could buy Viagra in a 25mg dose I believe, but that would be even less value for money.

That is the same price as in Chiang Mai which I thought was reasonable. Kamagra has worked well for me for a few years. Last month I used a half tablet 6 of 7 nights and had a problem sleeping the 7th night. I thought I had overused it and was experiencing side effects. I wonder if anyone else has experienced the same. I can get good results with a quarter tab of Kamagra and should have been using that much.

I read that a Thai company has developed a new pill to compete with the others. Anyone used it?

Seeing the good reviews here I decided to try Som's place out today. I showed up at 5pm and was the only customer there. About 7 girls were working. 1 was fairly cute and the others were either average or below average in looks. As has been pointed out before you don't go to BJ bar for looks, so that wasn't really an issue. Som was very friendly and nice and told me that her place had been open 2 months exactly. She showed me the menu for sexual services. 600 baht HJ. 700 baht BJ. 500 baht barfine. 1700 baht for 1. 5 hours FS, etc.

I told her what kind of BBJ I like and she found a girl for me. There were 3 rooms upstairs with sofas and big stuffed chairs. Pleasant enough. The girl was fantastic! She said to tell her whatever I wanted her to do. Lots of good eye contact. Excellent technique. 100 baht tip to the girl and a 100 baht tip to Som for the excellent recommendation. Will definitely return.

They have a buy 10 get 1 free special. It's a good idea. If they can keep making the experience so pleasant I'm confident I'll visit enough to qualify for the freebie.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1375286]Just checked at Pharmacy between Soi 2 and Soi 4. Kamagra is now just 300 Baht per 4 tabs of 100mg each. Viagra is 1800 Baht. So you must pay 6 times higher for original brand name. Ingredient is called Sildenafil (if I can spell correctly).

Tabs can be broken up to last 8 occasions. 12, or even 16 occasions as 100 mg is too powerful for most people. That is less than 10 cents per time. Its far more powerful than Cialis / Apcalis in my opinion. Never tried Levitra so can't comment on that one.

You could buy Viagra in a 25mg dose I believe, but that would be even less value for money.[/QUOTE]I generally buy kamagra gel from Pharmacy in FOOD LAND (SOI 5) each pouch cost 60 Bhat and it work perfect. The Best thing about that pharmacy is its open 24 hours. Many time I have bought gel at 4 in morning while coming back from after hour clubs.

[QUOTE=Ralph Kramden;1375298]I can get good results with a quarter tab of Kamagra and should have been using that much.[/QUOTE]I agree that can be quite enough. I normally did not use with GF as I felt I would get sex more often with GF if I do not try for marathon sessions. She was far too sensitive to go long time. If was really beat, could use just a tiny crumb with her and she might not notice anything weird. Can't comment on sleeplessness, but I have not really used that regularly. Friend who took a whole 100 mg reported sever headache / tempurature type side effects. I never took that much at one time.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1375286]Kamagra (...) Its far more powerful than Cialis / Apcalis in my opinion.[/QUOTE]But Cialis is said to work for 36 hours, rather than 4 or 5 hours for Kamagra / Viagra. So in theory one pill of Cialis would be enough for a (short) weekend or 2 LT. Is that true?

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1375318]But Cialis is said to work for 36 hours, rather than 4 or 5 hours for Kamagra / Viagra. So in theory one pill of Cialis would be enough for a (short) weekend or 2 LT. Is that true?[/QUOTE]I get 36 hours easy with 5mg of Cialis.

[QUOTE=Nobody Special; 1373658].

Using the mychat app you will get hits constantly with some really nice photo's attached.[/QUOTE]How did you use the app? Wifi or Bluetoth?.and did you just leave it on all the time or did you have to check who was there once in a while?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1375318]But Cialis is said to work for 36 hours, rather than 4 or 5 hours for Kamagra / Viagra. So in theory one pill of Cialis would be enough for a (short) weekend or 2 LT. Is that true?[/QUOTE]2. 5mg & 5mg doses of Cialis are intended for daily use for ED and for an enlarged prostate. Cialis does build up in your system over time and it is suggested for daily sex you give the 5mg dose a week so it can build up in your system. I've taken 10mg daily for a week at a time when I've been constantly mongering and want to be ready for action at all times. Had no side effects e. G. Problems with blood pressure. To give you some personal background for context: I'm 62, had a serious heart attack 5 yrs ago and take Lipotor.

Recently this bar was busy as early as 8. 30PM. As SW has combined with Sheba, a large number of girls dancing nude. All dancers are fully nude and shaved pussies is expected.

One very bad aspect of this bar is the DJ. He should be sacked. Not even present at the DJ booth most of the time. Music was all house type crap I guess. No decent songs. The girls struggled to dance sexily to the music. I would have liked some songs from popular artists of various generations, including rock, latin, Isaan, Country music. The only songs I recognised at all were "Kamnang Style" and "Moves like Jagger" however even these were not original versions but rather "house" type dull remixes. Better songs did seem to arrive later for the shows. It seems the owners / big-boss is rarely in attendance to see how crap the DJ is.

I did not stay late enough for a fire show fortunately. A few nice looking girls. The only favourite of mine present was young "Knot". As No. 56 "Maa" was dancing far more sexily than anyone else, and had a fairly decent face and body (B cups slightly saggy but all real) , I decided to call her over, for a chat just to make sure she wasn't too crazy. She was fairly "forward" and even asked for 3000 Baht ST, which I refused and "Knot" explained how much I usually pay. She was fine with it, as needed some money to support her child. Talked a bit too much but basically okay Aged 27.

Took the 2 girls for double trouble ST. Fortunately it turned out that "Maa" was very highly sexed and was a super good fuck on the bed so it worked out extremely well indeed. In fact was so good, I even forgot to get a BJ out of her."Knot" was shyer than usual as she had not worked with "Maa" before, but did give me a nice BBBJ while I was molesting both of them.

"Maa" admitted that she probably would not be doing this job if she did not like sex a lot. So claimed the dual purpose of the money and the sex with Farangs. Claimed she does not like Thai men any more. Well worth repeating this girl who feels so fabulous during sex.

[QUOTE=Tiger 888; 1375193]I prefer the effervescent tablets Kamagra Fizz. Can be found in Pattaya, but over double the price of the gel.

Details to contributing senior members per PM.

But to be with the right girl works way better than any medicine for me.[/QUOTE]As far as I know and could find out, there are no Kamagra gels or frizz. Maybe made in China, but surely not in India where the brand comes from. BTW, this time I found Kamagra is hard to come by as there were no supplies, but Suhagra is now the brand in circulation. And yes, they are not fake Viagra, just a generic version. Both contain slidenfil as the active ingredient.

I am an expert in Morocco, Cyprus, Spain. And others.

Never been to Asia. I read some reports on thai.

But in short is there real model type fresh young VIP girls in thai that you would love to keep for a week.

Even at extra costly?

Please give me a clear short review.

Happy to serve you on many countries for a hot teenage datind too!

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1375433]As far as I know and could find out, there are no Kamagra gels or frizz. Maybe made in China, but surely not in India where the brand comes from. BTW, this time I found Kamagra is hard to come by as there were no supplies, but Suhagra is now the brand in circulation. And yes, they are not fake Viagra, just a generic version. Both contain slidenfil as the active ingredient.[/QUOTE]I called Ajanta Pharma one day and they gave me the number of an agent whom I called. They could provide both. But more expensive than in Thailand and the risk of it getting taken by customs. They said the easiest country to ship to was Thailand. And I heard it was a Swiss guy in Pattya who does the import.

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1375433]As far as I know and could find out, there are no Kamagra gels or frizz. Maybe made in China, but surely not in India where the brand comes from. BTW, this time I found Kamagra is hard to come by as there were no supplies, but Suhagra is now the brand in circulation. And yes, they are not fake Viagra, just a generic version. Both contain slidenfil as the active ingredient.[/QUOTE]Find your post a bit confusing.

Certainly the products Jelly and Fizz tablets exist. Easy to see with a web search. Kamagra and Viagra are names of the product. The original maker of patented Viagra was Pfizer. If you buy a generic could still be called Viagra or Kamagra or various other names. Could be made in multiple countries, I don't know. I agree that China would most likely be able to produce it cheaper than anywhere else. As long as the products do contain the correct ingredient in about the right quantity.

Years ago, fake Cialis copy in Thailand seemed to vary in taste and strength.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1375526]Find your post a bit confusing.

Certainly the products Jelly and Fizz tablets exist. Easy to see with a web search. Kamagra and Viagra are names of the product. The original maker of patented Viagra was Pfizer. If you buy a generic could still be called Viagra or Kamagra or various other names. Could be made in multiple countries, I don't know. I agree that China would most likely be able to produce it cheaper than anywhere else. As long as the products do contain the correct ingredient in about the right quantity.

Years ago, fake Cialis copy in Thailand seemed to vary in taste and strength.[/QUOTE]Kamagra from China should be fakes, as Kamagra is the brand name owned by Ajanta Pharma in India.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1375427]"Maa" admitted that she probably would not be doing this job if she did not like sex a lot. So claimed the dual purpose of the money and the sex with Farangs. Claimed she does not like Thai men any more. Well worth repeating this girl who feels so fabulous during sex.[/QUOTE]Great Report. But, she told you exactly what she thought you wanted to hear. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the money was used to pay the rent on Somchai's new Fino.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1375602]Great Report. But, she told you exactly what she thought you wanted to hear. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the money was used to pay the rent on Somchai's new Fino.[/QUOTE]Sure be skeptical and think whatever you like.

There was nothing in particular I wanted to hear. I don't mind if they tell me have a Thai BF, do drugs, gamble, drink too much etc.

Her enjoyment of sex was too overwhealming to seem like acting. Previously the waitress teased and said "She likes big cock too".

She raised the topic of disliking Thai men all by herself, and I merely asked why. She indicated:

1. Lack of responsibility to support the children after girl had a baby at young age.

2. Stealing from GF, money, jewelery, etc.

3. Thai men think they own girls and can bash them."Knot" was willing to show me old battle scars.

Thai men do not want a girl who has a baby to support already, in general. Both my girls were single mothers although one indicated the father had been killed in an accident with a large truck.

"Maa" explained how she was pissed off with a previous customer who bar-finded her in order that she could go home to sleep. This was useless too her. She needed to make money, and she wanted a nice fuck as well. Most bar girls are too shy to say that so blatently.

My most recent Thai GF was a girl that escaped (disappeared) from former Thai BF, leaving no information of where she went to, as she was scared he would kill her or the baby some day in one of his alcohol fuelled fits of rage.

Check out "Maa" No. 56 and come back and tell me she is not hot for it. A sex hungry fiend in my estimation. She probably won't "yak-yak" as much as her English is weak I think. Alternatively "Nuu Dee" is very pretty to my taste.

[QUOTE=CarloJj1; 1375480]I am an expert in Morocco, Cyprus, Spain. And others.

Never been to Asia. I read some reports on thai.

But in short is there real model type fresh young VIP girls in thai that you would love to keep for a week.

Even at extra costly?

Please give me a clear short review.

Happy to serve you on many countries for a hot teenage datind too![/QUOTE]No, stay in Cypress. Thanks

[QUOTE=CarloJj1; 1375480]I am an expert in Morocco, Cyprus, Spain. And others.

Never been to Asia. I read some reports on thai.

But in short is there real model type fresh young VIP girls in thai that you would love to keep for a week.

Even at extra costly?

Please give me a clear short review.

Happy to serve you on many countries for a hot teenage datind too![/QUOTE]Yeah, come and see me in the Salon (Sukhumvit Soi 7/1) I will fix you up with a nice girl for a week no problem.

Regards,

BJ

I don't believe for a minute Thai girls prefer farangs over Thai men. You have to consider the source, these girls get the same sort of loser guys that dishrag strippers in the United States usually get: drug dealers,pimps, gangbangers, leaches, hustlers, and so and so forth. If these girls were dating the creme of the Thai dating pool, I doubt we'd be hearing these things.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1375702]I don't believe for a minute Thai girls prefer farangs over Thai men. You have to consider the source, these girls get the same sort of loser guys that dishrag strippers in the United States usually get: drug dealers, psuedo pimps leaches, and hustlers, and so and so forth. If these girls were dating the creme of the Thai dating pool, I doubt we'd be hearing these things.[/QUOTE]?

I don't agree. Whatever.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1375702]I don't believe for a minute Thai girls prefer farangs over Thai men. You have to consider the source, these girls get the same sort of loser guys that dishrag strippers in the United States usually get: drug dealers,pimps, gangbangers, leaches, hustlers, and so and so forth. If these girls were dating the creme of the Thai dating pool, I doubt we'd be hearing these things.[/QUOTE]Yes of course she would like Thai billionaires.

So you're saying Thai girls prefer farangs? Rofl!

Take a stroll through any major mall and see how many hot Thai girls are with Thais and how many hot ones are with farang and get back to me!

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano; 1375712]So you're saying Thai girls prefer farangs? Rofl!

Take a stroll through any major mall and see how many hot Thai girls are with Thais and how many hot ones are with farang and get back to me![/QUOTE]Wow. You really know nothing about this country or its people.

Yes, those girls in the mall in BKK are maybe 5% to 10% of the female population. They are meeting educated Thai men. Guys that probably in most cases arent lazy, are not poor, do not gamble, don't get drunk and beat them and constantly fuck other women.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano; 1375712]So you're saying Thai girls prefer farangs? Rofl!

Take a stroll through any major mall and see how many hot Thai girls are with Thais and how many hot ones are with farang and get back to me![/QUOTE]Such broad generalizations are always wrong.

How many farang interested in Thai girls will be at any one moment in Thailand? Perhaps a few 10s of thousand? Say for argument's sake. 100 000. Compare that to about 10 million young (ish) Thai men in Thailand. That is a 100 to 1 difference. So for every 100 hot Thai girls with a Thai BF, you can expect to see 1 Thai-farang couple. Easy to miss them.

And besides, do we take our Thai GFs to the shopping mall? Or rather directly to our room?