Minsk

[QUOTE=CanadianBoy; 1195566]After several weeks deliberating between a return trip to Kiev or a new adventure in Minsk, I decided upon the ladder and will arrive next week via Frankfurt. It wasn't an easy decision as I had a great experience and a lot of luck with women in Kiev last summer. However, I am much more prepared in going to Minsk then I was for Kiev and I'm certain I will enjoy some degree of success there. I have contacted and have been contacted by a variety of women living in Minsk from internet sites plus last summer I met a lovely Belarusian student living in Kiev at the time who promised to be my guide in Minsk. So, I am hoping for no shortage of action. Of course I will relate my experiences here as they happen – not only in dealings with women but the differences and similarities as I see them between Kiev and Minsk. Despite the lopsided difference in posts between Kiev and Minsk, I am convinced there is a lot of fun to be had in Belarus with a little patience and sense of adventure.

If anyone is in Minsk from middle of Sept. To the middle of Oct. Send me a PM![/QUOTE]Hi Canadian Boy.

My apologies 4 the late Pm, only checked my box today.

Sent you a pm.

I really think Westworld, because of th sheer size of it, does have the best possibilities & its a mixture.

Try the bar & club in Hotel Planeta.

For vegeterian food & Grills + nice atmosphere try Byblos Restaurant.

Take Care

I just spent one fantastic month in Minsk. I am baffled there are not more people going to this clean, calm little city with a laid back atmosphere. I admit Minsk is a greater challenge for tourism or mongering then Kiev but there is much to like about it – especially how everything is quite cheap right now even compared to Kiev. I joined a few internet sites before I left for Minsk and gained a dozen numbers at least of very attractive Belarussian women. There were few girls offering straight up sex for roubles but many under 24 university hotties looking for a guy to support them in exchange for a girlfriend experience, which is more to my liking anyway. I have never understood the mentality of men who go to strip clubs and later boast of having sex with a woman who undoubtedly had five different guys that week. In my opinion, my route is a far greater experience and challenge.

The first week I was in Minsk I had dinner at Grand Cafe, Black Door Club or Renaissance Cafe with three of the most appealing women I met online. To be honest they were all beautiful, sweet and interested but I had to decide upon one. I liked to take them to high end places to show them I had money, class and was serious. Belarussian women love this. I finally decided on one beautiful, young studentka originally from Gomel named Ekaterina (Keyt). A real red headed beauty of 174 cm with green eyes, a model figure and a remarkably full, perky ass for such a slim woman. After a few days of taking her shopping for clothes at Mango, out to nice restaurants and an evening with her and a beautiful friend of hers at the terrific Dozari night club (it was great having two young beauties on my arms) , she started to stay with me at my flat and I enjoyed a regular GF experience with Keyt. Like many people know, Slavic women are warm, wonderful girlfriends once they decide to be with a man. In fact, she would even get quite jealous when other women in Dozari approached me.

Keyt told me how her mother, who only earned 150 USD a month, was supporting her. This is not an unusual situation for studentka's in Minsk as many I met only had one parent supporting them. So, the ability to buy nice clothes, go for nice dinners and enjoy many things in life western women at that age take for granted is almost impossible. However, many beautiful, young Belarussian women are not as liberal about sex as women from neighbouring countries. They are much more conservative and usually only offer it after they feel comfortable and respected. Once they do a man enjoys the affection of a young beauty unparalleled in Europe and North America, in my opinion. Not only was she a young, beauty who I was supporting in exchange for a GF experience but she honestly became a friend. This is the benefit of traveling in a city for an extended period of time and not just a quick weekend.

That said, I have no delusions of grandeur. While Keyt insisted she was single and excited at the idea of my returning to Minsk in April, I am sure she has a regular Belarussian boyfriend, like most of these girls do. But it's all good as there are many young beauties in Minsk to pursue!

[QUOTE=CanadianBoy; 1206682]1. I just spent one fantastic month in Minsk, and I am baffled why there are not more people going to this little city?

2. I admit Minsk is a greater challenge for mongering.

3. I have never understood the mentality of men who go to strip clubs and later boast.

4. In my opinion, my route is a far greater experience and challenge.

5. The first week I was in Minsk I had dinner with three of the most appealing women I met online, but I had to decide upon one.[/QUOTE]1. Don't be baffled! The majority's priority is to take the easier more travelled road. And don't knock them, you should really be happy about that. Would you have been happier if those places you took out the ladies to, were filled with hordes of punters from the West? Don't think so. And by the way, Minsk is no 'little city'.

2. This answers your first question.

3. Again, the easier road is the choice for most. Boasting having done something that requires minimum effort is not uncommon here on ISG, that said, there's no accounting for taste, so don't bother trying to understand it.

4. Again, the majority seem to be satisfied with a lesser challenge. Don't knock it, that will always make life much more interesting for us in the minority.

5. If you were there for FOUR WEEKS, one can only wonder what made you think you HAD to choose ONLY ONE? Maybe a new lady EVERY afternoon, and then another new lady EVERY evening? Then you COULD have told us about sixty! .

[quote=suka shalava; 1207638]1. don't be baffled! the majority's priority is to take the easier more travelled road. and don't knock them, you should really be happy about that. would you have been happier if those places you took out the ladies to, were filled with hordes of punters from the west? don't think so. and by the way, minsk is no 'little city'.

2. this answers your first question.

3. again, the easier road is the choice for most. boasting having done something that requires minimum effort is not uncommon here on isg, that said, there's no accounting for taste, so don't bother trying to understand it.

4. again, the majority seem to be satisfied with a lesser challenge. don't knock it, that will always make life much more interesting for us in the minority.

5. if you were there for four weeks, one can only wonder what made you think you had to choose only one? maybe a new lady every afternoon, and then another new lady every evening? then you could have told us about sixty! .[/quote]thank you for the intersting and insightful reply, suka. well said! i agree with most of what you wrote. however, i stick by my statement that minsk is a 'little city', much like budapest. while they are both have respectible sized populations, they feel almost like you are living in a large village then a city. after being in minsk for one month i met so many new people and recognized so many faces i joked to my belarussian friends that if i lived in minsk for one year i would know everyone in the entire city. it is not meant as an insult but rather a compliment. minsk and budapest are two of my favorite cities in europe and belarussians are very friendly people.

it was not that i only had to choose one but i had decided i wanted a gf experience rather than numerous bodies in my bed. i was in kiev for one month in the summer of 2010 and went through a number of different women and had a good time. however, i wanted to try something different. as well, i was worried about screwing it up with ekaterina. what i mean is, when an eastern european woman sets their sights on you they are terribly jealous and protective. with minsk feeling so small i was concerned about running into her while in the presence of another woman. this happened to me in kiev and i almost lost both girls. ekaterina would have stopped seeing me on the spot and she was too hot and sexy to give up, in my opinion. we were at club dozari and as soon as she would go to the bathroom or bar for a drink women would come up and try speaking with me. ekaterina would get rather annoyed at this and not find it innocent and amusing (amusing because ekaterina was much hotter than these other women) , like i did. but i digress. i actually went to club dozari alone one saturday and had a difficult time trying to pick up a woman there as almost no one spoke english which was frustrating as these girls were eye [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] me.

i am returning to minsk in mid-april for another four weeks and will be more prepared and confident this time around as i am now comfortable in the city.

[quote=canadianboy;1207719]it was not that i only had to choose one but i had decided i wanted a gf experience rather than numerous bodies in my bed.[/quote]i rather admire your determination to resist all the temptations that minsk offers! i think, however, it's not convenient to rely on one girl if you intend to go back time after time. many girls i had some years ago, suddenly had a boyfriend, married or left the country and i had no chance to meet them again.

[quote=canadianboy;1207719]as well, i was worried about screwing it up with ekaterina.[/quote]i also admire your loyalty. however, in my experience, moral values are different in russia and belarus, and girls are much more tolerant than in western countries.

[quote=canadianboy;1207719]i actually went to club dozari alone one saturday and had a difficult time trying to pick up a woman there as almost no one spoke english which was frustrating as these girls were eye [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] me.[/quote]dozari is a top-level club and not a good place to pick up a girl for the night. like in madison or next, you will see lots of breath-taking girls. but even being a good looking guy, inviting them to your table and buying them cocktails is not enough to take them home afterwards. girls there are rather looking for a long-term relation with a wealthy local guy.

you made a good point regarding language barriers. in fact, the most stunning girls i had in belarus were from some villages and could hardly speak english. without speaking russian i would not have had any chance to meet them.

[quote=canadianboy;1207719]i am returning to minsk in mid-april for another four weeks and will be more prepared and confident this time around as i am now comfortable in the city.[/quote]i will be there as well around those dates. we may catch up for a beer.

CB.

Your lady sounds like she must have been just what you were looking for. I don't know if we're all so fortunate to find the perfect combination of qualities.

I can certainly attest to the other side of the coin, which seems to be an ongoing examination of the good, the bad, the less than spectacular, and the insanely hot qualities of slavic womanhood. Could just be a victim of never really being able to figure out what I want, but I think there's a lot more to it. An extra week really brings a lot of new opportunities that would otherwise be missed, and that's something I am hoping will be possible in the not too distant future.

I simply can't imagine what I could accomplish if I had FOUR weeks! Though at the rate I push it, I don't know if I could even manage a budget that far out, now that I've gotten used to living pretty high and running pretty hard.

That leads me to ask you if you'll get a little more specific, as to how you actually spent a month of downtime in a place like Minsk, without going stir crazy. The one thing I remember about being there, was that the downtime was REALLY limited. If you're not there working, (and we're all curious as to what work you COULD be doing there if you were) , how in the world did you pass time for a month when Keyt was at lectures? More than even that, you couldn't have been in bed with her ALL the time, so what the hell else would you do? You already said your Russian is limited. That leaves a lot hours in between for something else.

As to what drives my search onward, its always about getting close but never really seeming to reach the level that could be reached. Walking around, there's such an interesting mix of beauty to keep the inspiration stoked. But opportunities usually fall short, so that it only seems to be a matter of dumb luck, to have everything fall in your lap. In the meantime, new ladies with various flaws will fade in and out of the picture, but with careful attention, as taught by geniuses like Skank and his ilk, there's more than enough passion to enflame. So though I may have failed to hook up with any certifiable superstars this time out, I did have more than my share of positive memorable experiences, and a nice bunch of new friends.

I can report that life is good in the heartland. With all its ups and downs, highs and lows, and in and outs.

As usual, my detractors will criticize me for leaving out the names of clubs and cafe's that I went to. Well, I didn't need to go to any clubs, so there's none to name. Cafe's? Well, I don't pay any attention to what they're called. We just go in one direction for a walk, and go in some place that looks good. What you guys don't understand, is that it doesn't even matter, its just a way to first get acquainted in person, to get comfortable that will lead to some romantic time alone at home later or for the next date.

Getting introduced to women by their appreciative girlfriends is still what its all about, and its always been a matter of motivation through incentives and simple signs of affection and adoration. Treat the ladies right, and they will take care of you.

Of MY three October Kate's and Katya's, the most interesting was Katya Sunday, who had a bad chocolate allergy reaction, and a mom in the hospital. With all that going against her, she was ready to 'cut loose', as they call it, and she nearly killed me working out all her frustrations on me. Between her and Nastya Red, who surprised me when she initiated anal sex like it was as normal as drinking tea, I had some truly pleasant surprises. Add that to another dozen or so new friends, and a dozen old friends, and I need a vacation from my vacation.

I wore myself down miserable at the end with Moscow traffic jams, jumping over airport fences, miserable flights and airline food, and after a few days being home, I still can't stop the diarrhea and headaches.

But it was all worth it, and I'll do it again, next chance I get.

[QUOTE=Suka Shalava; 1207958]CB.

Your lady sounds like she must have been just what you were looking for. I don't know if we're all so fortunate to find the perfect combination of qualities.

I can certainly attest to the other side of the coin, which seems to be an ongoing examination of the good, the bad, the less than spectacular, and the insanely hot qualities of slavic womanhood. Could just be a victim of never really being able to figure out what I want, but I think there's a lot more to it. An extra week really brings a lot of new opportunities that would otherwise be missed, and that's something I am hoping will be possible in the not too distant future.

I simply can't imagine what I could accomplish if I had FOUR weeks! Though at the rate I push it, I don't know if I could even manage a budget that far out, now that I've gotten used to living pretty high and running pretty hard.

That leads me to ask you if you'll get a little more specific, as to how you actually spent a month of downtime in a place like Minsk, without going stir crazy. The one thing I remember about being there, was that the downtime was REALLY limited. If you're not there working, (and we're all curious as to what work you COULD be doing there if you were) , how in the world did you pass time for a month when Keyt was at lectures? More than even that, you couldn't have been in bed with her ALL the time, so what the hell else would you do? You already said your Russian is limited. That leaves a lot hours in between for something else.

As to what drives my search onward, its always about getting close but never really seeming to reach the level that could be reached. Walking around, there's such an interesting mix of beauty to keep the inspiration stoked. But opportunities usually fall short, so that it only seems to be a matter of dumb luck, to have everything fall in your lap. In the meantime, new ladies with various flaws will fade in and out of the picture, but with careful attention, as taught by geniuses like Skank and his ilk, there's more than enough passion to enflame. So though I may have failed to hook up with any certifiable superstars this time out, I did have more than my share of positive memorable experiences, and a nice bunch of new friends.

I can report that life is good in the heartland. With all its ups and downs, highs and lows, and in and outs.

As usual, my detractors will criticize me for leaving out the names of clubs and cafe's that I went to. Well, I didn't need to go to any clubs, so there's none to name. Cafe's? Well, I don't pay any attention to what they're called. We just go in one direction for a walk, and go in some place that looks good. What you guys don't understand, is that it doesn't even matter, its just a way to first get acquainted in person, to get comfortable that will lead to some romantic time alone at home later or for the next date.

Getting introduced to women by their appreciative girlfriends is still what its all about, and its always been a matter of motivation through incentives and simple signs of affection and adoration. Treat the ladies right, and they will take care of you.

Of MY three October Kate's and Katya's, the most interesting was Katya Sunday, who had a bad chocolate allergy reaction, and a mom in the hospital. With all that going against her, she was ready to 'cut loose', as they call it, and she nearly killed me working out all her frustrations on me. Between her and Nastya Red, who surprised me when she initiated anal sex like it was as normal as drinking tea, I had some truly pleasant surprises. Add that to another dozen or so new friends, and a dozen old friends, and I need a vacation from my vacation.

I wore myself down miserable at the end with Moscow traffic jams, jumping over airport fences, miserable flights and airline food, and after a few days being home, I still can't stop the diarrhea and headaches.

But it was all worth it, and I'll do it again, next chance I get.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I guess I got lucky, Suka. I know I went out on a lot of dates with girls I met on internet sites when I first got to Minsk. The first chick I met was arguably the hottest woman I have ever had dinner with (we went to Black Door Club) but despite how sexy and beautiful she was, she was not at all intelligent and seemed more interested in her mobile phone then me. What I found even more baffling was she was quite angry with me when I was not interested in a second date. I met two others who I really liked but no one blew me away like Ekaterina. She spoke really good English and was warm, beautiful and interesting. So, I took it from there.

You are right about Minsk. It is limited in what it offers but it isn't so bad. First of all, if you are going to spend a month in a place like Minsk the first thing you must have is a brain. I mean this respectively. I like to read quality books and to write (there was a short story contest in Canada that I was entering). Often in the afternoon when Keyt was at uni and my other Belarussian friends were busy I would go to a place like Boulevard Cafe for lunch (if you are ever in Minsk I recommend this place for lunch) , relax and read for a few hours. Also, as I am a professional and cannot be seen in casino's in my city, I would frequent Victoria Casino a couple times a week for a little roulette. Good place to meet women as I added two chicks who worked there onto my Facebook from that Casino. I call it preparing for my next trip. Not a lot of people speak English there but the one's that do were always interested in finding out why a Canadian guy is in Minsk. And if you know Eastern Europe, they only hire women with good looks. Actually, the night I went to Dozari night club alone I ran into a little hottie who works at Victoria Casino. Although she was with her boyfriend, she was trying to set me up with her friend who was single. Unfortunately her friend didn't speak English and it ended there.

However, I did have a few Belarussian friends and often we would spend the afternoon in cafes eating, drinking and sharing good conversation. They were always fascinated with my impressions of Minsk and if you are visiting Belarus with foriegn currency life is pretty inexpensive there.

Anyway, Ekaterina made herself available frequently enough that I never really never got bored in Minsk. As a bachelor I don't require someone's company 24/7 and it was nice to have time to myself to explore Minsk. I plan to abuse this gained knowledge in April!

[QUOTE=East Explorer; 1207935]I rather admire your determination to resist all the temptations that Minsk offers! I think, however, it's not convenient to rely on one girl if you intend to go back time after time. Many girls I had some years ago, suddenly had a boyfriend, married or left the country and I had no chance to meet them again.

I also admire your loyalty. However, in my experience, moral values are different in Russia and Belarus, and girls are much more tolerant than in western countries.

Dozari is a top-level club and not a good place to pick up a girl for the night. Like in Madison or Next, you will see lots of breath-taking girls. But even being a good looking guy, inviting them to your table and buying them cocktails is not enough to take them home afterwards. Girls there are rather looking for a long-term relation with a wealthy local guy.

You made a good point regarding language barriers. In fact, the most stunning girls I had in Belarus were from some villages and could hardly speak English. Without speaking Russian I would not have had any chance to meet them.

I will be there as well around those dates. We may catch up for a beer.[/QUOTE]East Explorer, I agree with much of what you said. About relying on one girl, I most certainly agree and will make sure I am armed with a number of mobile numbers before I arrive in Minsk. On this next trip I am looking to branch out and chase more women. I have to be honest, as it was my first trip to Belarus and there is no Canadian or American Embassy in Belarus, I was a little unnerved about my trip. Now I feel much more confident and comfortable and will use this knowledge for my trip in April.

You are also right about Dozari but it is a nice club and I had a good time there. Madison was very close to the area I lived in and I will try it next time. To be honest, clubs are really not my first choice to meet women and I prefer internet sites, especially since I do not speak Russian.

I would greatly appreciate the opportunity to meet over a few drinks in Minsk. I will be sure to let you know the dates that I will be in Belarus this spring. I might actually take a short trip down to Kiev for a few days, as well. I really like that city, too.

Seems like this thread is starting to get some life in it! Enjoyed your report Canadian boy.

I know some are getting excited by the collapse of the Bel Rouble and it's implications for us visitors however surely prices have risen (on non essentials such as beer etc.) to counterbalance the better exchange rate and surely pro's charge in hard currency thus meaning that there is little gain to be had? I simply don't see that Belarus has now become twice as cheap merely because the currency has de-valued so significantly. Maybe Canadian Boy, Jojosun and East Explorer could share their opinions on what effect on prices and costs the devaluation has had?

I was just reading the 'WorldBanks' excellent report in the reports of distinction thread (check it out if you've not done so already ). He was mentioning how the Arabs have opened businesses there (I. E the Hotel and club) and how the local women are mostly looking for someone who visits often or has a business there. So. Why don't we start something over there? I'm not talking anything mega but something that maybe 4 or 5 of us could put say 5000 US each into and use it as an excuse to meet hundreds of women. What about a marriage agency? Low overheads, could run it from an apartment and we'd instantly have our pick of every woman on our books. I'm not saying we'd make much but what an adventure! I looked into opening a shop over there previously, had the premises sourced and everything but the import duties on the imported goods I wanted to sell made me drop the idea (splitting from my girlfriend over there also contributed to the plan failing) , however a dating agency would be a whole lot of fun. Let's face it Belarusians have no idea how to deal with foreigners properly so we could monopolize the market if we put our minds to it. Imagine interviewing the office girls we were going to hire. Casting couch :) It's probably a bit far fetched and I doubt there will be many takers but it would be the adventure of a life time. Come on fellow ISG's, let's put our heads together and come up with a masterplan! PM me your ideas.

[QUOTE=Borderland; 1208347]Seems like this thread is starting to get some life in it! Enjoyed your report Canadian boy.

I know some are getting excited by the collapse of the Bel Rouble and it's implications for us visitors however surely prices have risen (on non essentials such as beer etc.) to counterbalance the better exchange rate and surely pro's charge in hard currency thus meaning that there is little gain to be had? I simply don't see that Belarus has now become twice as cheap merely because the currency has de-valued so significantly. Maybe Canadian Boy, Jojosun and East Explorer could share their opinions on what effect on prices and costs the devaluation has had?[/QUOTE]The day I arrived in Minsk the rate at most currency exchange booths was 1 USD = 5200 BYR. The next morning the same booths had the exchange at 1 USD = 8400 BYR. It was one the strangest occurrences of my life as a traveler. I use to live in Budapest, Hungary as an English teacher and recall there being considerable flucuations of the Hungarian Forint, but nothing like this. At that time I had only just arrived in Minsk and had not the knowledge of prices of products in shops and food and drink at cafes like I do now. I did notice that some restaurants (like Boulevard Cafe and TGI FRIDAYS) had stickers placed over the origional prices which to me meant they were adjusting to the currency crisis. However, at a high end place like Grand Cafe it seemed like the prices were not adjusted at all. However, that said, Belarus is a very cheap country to visit. Taxi's, food in cafes and stores, alcohol and clothes are considerably cheaper than in the west and maybe a little less than in Kiev. Of course specialty items like electronics are more expensive that the west. For example, an iphone 4G here in Canada cost 660 USD would cost 1000 USD in Minsk.

Regardless, I am not sure what the currency rates are now in Minsk as I have been back in Canada for a week, but the morning before I was to catch my flight out of Belarus I went for a stroll on Nemiga Street and saw 1 USD = 8000 BYR. I saw the same on booths on Lenin Street, too. That was up from previous weeks.

As for women, I do know that the one's I spoke with off of the internet who were offering straight up sex for money demanded payment in USD or Euros. However, as I did not follow through with any of them I don't know how ardent they were about this. I am sure they would accept BYR if that is all one had. Once you are in Minsk it is not easy to get foreign currency. So bring a lot with you. As well, the ATM's are the worst in Europe. You can only get BYR (they offer USD but the ATM are always out) from them and I was unable to withdraw more than 250 USD at a time and sometimes the maximum was 150 USD worth of BYR, like at ATM's in shopping Malls. That is very different from Kiev where I could withdraw 1000 USD worth of Hryvnia at a time. So I had to use my Mastercard when in clothing shops.

As for business opportunities that you mentioned, it is an intruiging idea but I have some serious reservations about opening a business in a country that is not only going through a ridiculous financial crisis but one that politically is at great odds with Canada and the USA. I mean, there isn't even a Canadian or American embassy in Belarus at the moment. I think I would be more inclined to open a business in Budapest or Kiev.

Not planing to be opposition but.

To open marriage agency you must:

- be a citizen of Belarus which is the easy way.

- be a foreigner citizen with approved stay in the country which is the hard way.

- hard dealings with Ministry of social affairs before you got your licence.

- foreiginers should pay money for membership, message delivery, all other stuff going in marriage agency. According to local laws that money is considered income from abroad and is heavily taxed.

Search the net and see how many marriage agencies are located in Belarus.

Check database of some big agencies on the net and compare the number of women from Ukraine (thousands of them) and Belarus (tens of them).

How many of this agencies offer "tours" in Belarus and how many offer "tours" in Ukraine.

Most of Belarus women join agencies in Ukraine because in the last years in Belarus 13 agencies dealing with females (model agencies and marriage agencies) have been closed under charges of "paravan for prostitution".

By the way with devalvation girls charge now in hard currency.

[QUOTE=Kurenda; 1208437]Not planing to be opposition but.

To open marriage agency you must:

- be a citizen of Belarus which is the easy way.

- be a foreigner citizen with approved stay in the country which is the hard way.

- hard dealings with Ministry of social affairs before you got your licence.

- foreiginers should pay money for membership, message delivery, all other stuff going in marriage agency. According to local laws that money is considered income from abroad and is heavily taxed.

Search the net and see how many marriage agencies are located in Belarus.

Check database of some big agencies on the net and compare the number of women from Ukraine (thousands of them) and Belarus (tens of them).

How many of this agencies offer "tours" in Belarus and how many offer "tours" in Ukraine.

Most of Belarus women join agencies in Ukraine because in the last years in Belarus 13 agencies dealing with females (model agencies and marriage agencies) have been closed under charges of "paravan for prostitution".

By the way with devalvation girls charge now in hard currency.[/QUOTE]Good info there Kurenda.

I know that the Lukashenko government has done a lot of work (much of it without credit) to implement measures which make trafficking of women and prostitution in Belarus harder and I presume the shutting down of the agencies was in some way related to that policy. I've read a lot of articles in the Belarus press warning of the dangers of being offered 'work' abroad etc. Therefore I have no problem with some of these model agencies or marriage agencies being shut down if they were suspected of being implicit in any of that. Belarus's women due to the economic situation in Belarus are more vulnerable to scams. Also (this might sound odd from someone who mongers on occasion) I don't want the place to go the way of Kiev or Moscow where escort agencies proliferate. I do have strong misgivings with the industry and It would be good if the women of Belarus were not corrupted in the same ways as many women of their eastern and southern neighbours have been. Let's keep one small piece of Europe where the women aren't prostituting themselves to foreigners. In Russia I can go to any medium sized or small town and find a pro, guaranteed, never failed. Try that in Belarus! Go to Hoiniki and find a pro, I challenge someone. That is something that should be respected, the fact despite earning 200 US a month and not being able to afford things we take for granted like meat, they keep their morals and don't just think 'f*k it, I'll go and stand on the Minsk highway waiting for a passing trucker". So if the government's policy of shutting agencies down means I can't open one then so be it.

So. Back to the drawing board.

[QUOTE=Borderland;1208472]That is something that should be respected, the fact despite earning 200 US a month and not being able to afford things we take for granted like meat, they keep their morals and don't just think 'f*k it, I'll go and stand on the Minsk highway waiting for a passing trucker".[/QUOTE]Seconded. It is tough, no doubt about it, and these women don't live well, but they do make ends meet and they do so while maintaining their morals and self-respect.

[quote=canadianboy; 1207719]thank you for the intersting and insightful reply, suka. well said! i agree with most of what you wrote. however, i stick by my statement that minsk is a 'little city', much like budapest. while they are both have respectible sized populations, they feel almost like you are living in a large village then a city. after being in minsk for one month i met so many new people and recognized so many faces i joked to my belarussian friends that if i lived in minsk for one year i would know everyone in the entire city. it is not meant as an insult but rather a compliment. minsk and budapest are two of my favorite cities in europe and belarussians are very friendly people.

it was not that i only had to choose one but i had decided i wanted a gf experience rather than numerous bodies in my bed. i was in kiev for one month in the summer of 2010 and went through a number of different women and had a good time. however, i wanted to try something different. as well, i was worried about screwing it up with ekaterina. what i mean is, when an eastern european woman sets their sights on you they are terribly jealous and protective. with minsk feeling so small i was concerned about running into her while in the presence of another woman. this happened to me in kiev and i almost lost both girls. ekaterina would have stopped seeing me on the spot and she was too hot and sexy to give up, in my opinion. we were at club dozari and as soon as she would go to the bathroom or bar for a drink women would come up and try speaking with me. ekaterina would get rather annoyed at this and not find it innocent and amusing (amusing because ekaterina was much hotter than these other women) , like i did. but i digress. i actually went to club dozari alone one saturday and had a difficult time trying to pick up a woman there as almost no one spoke english which was frustrating as these girls were eye [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] me.

i am returning to minsk in mid-april for another four weeks and will be more prepared and confident this time around as i am now comfortable in the city.[/quote]even a "big" fsu city (moscow, piter and kiev being different playgrounds) can become very small when you start serial dating. most often there is only 2/3 hyp clubs and 4/5 "in" cafes where girls go. it is actually embarrassing to go in a place with your date of the day natasha, and spot at one table, with her friends, your yesterday's conquest tatiana, and at the other corner lena, that you fucked two days ago and promessed to call back soon. (smilie)