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Well, I am determined to book my trip xmas trip in the next week.

The package sites (Expedia, etc) have good combos that are within my price range involving the Cosmo and Cosmopolitan but the very idea of signing in a girl makes me reluctant to book there.

How can they make you sign in a guest anyway? What if I was bringing in a white woman? I bet they wouldn't try that then.

The Grand Stanford was more upscale and I didn't have to sign in my girls BUT when I checked in I did see a WG at the counter with a guy and something was going on, with the girl saying "Oh, okay I'll sign." but that was much, much earlier in the evening, near dinnertime.

Anyway, I got a rate for the Charterhouse of about $1600US for 20 nights in a deluxe room on a non-smoking floor.

That sounds decent, the location looks like exactly where I want to be. I know that if I stay near Causeway Bay I can find cheap eats during my stay (a few good Indonesian places in that area).

From the map it looks like I will be close enough to Wan Chai to enjoy it but not so close that the girls will leave on me in the middle of the night.

The hotel didn't answer my question about an in-room safe. They have those as standard I hope?

And in the rate quote they said that cleaning/linen service was only every other day. What's that about? I asked again and they confirmed that w/o explanation.

So, the big question is can I survive 20 days in Hong Kong? I figure my expenses including the "habit" will be somewhere around $200US or $300US a day.

What are my chances of getting a freebie? I'm a nice, clean, but 50 pounds overweight middle aged non-smoking white guy.

I guess we've heard the rumors. Anyone know for sure, will it OR has it reopened? Heading to HK next weekend so hopeful it's back in biz. Fingers crossed.

[QUOTE=Lustforthrust]
Long march to LKF, got the usual stares from HK girls who grab your attention and then give you a sour face. This time I told them their pants were empty, and ofcourse most would not understand that and so added "you have no ass". It would have taken a while to register and by the time these bitches thought about calling the cops, claiming sexual assualt (and they are capable of this), I was long gone.
One thing to note about HK girls, the more cutsy-wotsy bits of fluff on them, the more venomous the wearer!
Hell, even some of the HK guys are like this, stare at you, grab your attention and then make a face. Wonder if they walk around thinking, oh, his dick is 2" bigger than mine, maybe 3. That guy there, he's 4, asshole!
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Sounds like you have issues against Hong Kong people. Rather unfortunate you're in HK.

[QUOTE=Thewayoflaotzu]
What are my chances of getting a freebie? I'm a nice, clean, but 50 pounds overweight middle aged non-smoking white guy.[/QUOTE]

Pretty good if you don't mind a middle aged overweight Chinese woman:)

[QUOTE=Thewayoflaotzu]
Anyway, I got a rate for the Charterhouse of about $1600US for 20 nights in a deluxe room on a non-smoking floor.
That sounds decent, the location looks like exactly where I want to be. I know that if I stay near Causeway Bay I can find cheap eats during my stay (a few good Indonesian places in that area).
From the map it looks like I will be close enough to Wan Chai to enjoy it but not so close that the girls will leave on me in the middle of the night.
The hotel didn't answer my question about an in-room safe. They have those as standard I hope?
And in the rate quote they said that cleaning/linen service was only every other day. What's that about? I asked again and they confirmed that w/o explanation.
So, the big question is can I survive 20 days in Hong Kong? I figure my expenses including the "habit" will be somewhere around $200US or $300US a day.
What are my chances of getting a freebie? I'm a nice, clean, but 50 pounds overweight middle aged non-smoking white guy.[/QUOTE]

You have made a good choice and your rate for 20 days is not bad - I am there in November for 14 nights paying about HK$700 per night that includes taxes and breakfast. There is a safe in all the rooms. Changing bed linen every 2 days is not a problem - slipping the maid a few dollars if you are that fussy and she will change them daily. I had to get the maid one day to strip the lot after my "friend" took her periods and made a hell of a mess - blood everywhere. The maid never even batted an eyelid. Money talks here.
The location is excellent - come out the hotel, turn right and straight down the road to Times Square in under 5 mins. You pass through a fish market on the way - fascinating! There is a massage joint right across the road from the hotel in a basement and Jennifer will come over to your room and release tensions for about HK$350 - I met her one morning at 1.30am when I was going back to the hotel for more money and she was still up for it!
Leaving the hotel, turn left and 10 mins walk you are in the middle of Wan Chai. Its only 5 mins by taxi - about HK$20.
I have to be honest however - you will have a problem living on only $200/300US including the "habit" each day. Drink is expensive in the bars and you will need to chat with the girls (including buying them a drink) to make sure your choice is right for the night. I would stick to Neptunes/Traffic/Galaxy/Laguna/Amazonia/Fenwicks (if open) where you will certainly be approached without fail. Make your choice. If you are looking for freebies. Laguna on a Sunday is your best bet but I would pay the going rate the first few days and if you find someone you like, make a deal with her for the rest, or part of, your stay. I did this a year ago - had a girl for 2 weeks with me at the Cosmopolitan and got away with about $HK 3000 for the whole time - plus meals etc. The down side of this - where is the "variety" and the "chase"!
If you are looking for LT and don't want them leaving in the middle of the night, then don't pay until the morning. Its as simple as that. HK$1000 should get you LT.
Being overweight does not matter - as long as your wallet matches your weight, you will be fine.

[QUOTE=Jackthelad2]You have made a good choice and your rate for 20 days is not bad - I am there in November for 14 nights paying about HK$700 per night that includes taxes and breakfast. There is a safe in all the rooms. Changing bed linen every 2 days is not a problem - slipping the maid a few dollars if you are that fussy and she will change them daily. I had to get the maid one day to strip the lot after my "friend" took her periods and made a hell of a mess - blood everywhere. The maid never even batted an eyelid. Money talks here.
The location is excellent - come out the hotel, turn right and straight down the road to Times Square in under 5 mins. You pass through a fish market on the way - fascinating! There is a massage joint right across the road from the hotel in a basement and Jennifer will come over to your room and release tensions for about HK$350 - I met her one morning at 1.30am when I was going back to the hotel for more money and she was still up for it!
Leaving the hotel, turn left and 10 mins walk you are in the middle of Wan Chai. Its only 5 mins by taxi - about HK$20.
I have to be honest however - you will have a problem living on only $200/300US including the "habit" each day. Drink is expensive in the bars and you will need to chat with the girls (including buying them a drink) to make sure your choice is right for the night. I would stick to Neptunes/Traffic/Galaxy/Laguna/Amazonia/Fenwicks (if open) where you will certainly be approached without fail. Make your choice. If you are looking for freebies. Laguna on a Sunday is your best bet but I would pay the going rate the first few days and if you find someone you like, make a deal with her for the rest, or part of, your stay. I did this a year ago - had a girl for 2 weeks with me at the Cosmopolitan and got away with about $HK 3000 for the whole time - plus meals etc. The down side of this - where is the "variety" and the "chase"!
If you are looking for LT and don't want them leaving in the middle of the night, then don't pay until the morning. Its as simple as that. HK$1000 should get you LT.
Being overweight does not matter - as long as your wallet matches your weight, you will be fine.[/QUOTE]

I basically agree with most of what's said here. I don't, however, think you'll get LT for 1000 unless you limit your choices a bit. I would expect 1500 to 2000. That said, ST is often a better choice in HK (I think), since some of the girls will agree to LT but then leave or leave very early in the morning (you'll hear "I'm hungry" a lot). But it's not a rule - YMMV.

Anyway, my experience has always been 1000 to 1500 ST, 1500 to 2000 LT, and I've heard others say similar. I realize some get it cheaper. They could be better negotiators (I'm not a good one), and likely many are limiting their choices more than I do (I tend to try to focus on what I think would be the most expensive rather than least).

About the safe, Charterhouse rooms have them, but they are too small for laptops.

-B-

Thewayoflaotzu, I quote Bonzo but am replying to your post on costs

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]I basically agree with most of what's said here. I don't, however, think you'll get LT for 1000 unless you limit your choices a bit. ...

Anyway, my experience has always been 1000 to 1500 ST, 1500 to 2000 LT, and I've heard others say similar. I realize some get it cheaper. They could be better negotiators (I'm not a good one), and likely many are limiting their choices more than ...
-B-[/QUOTE]

Personally I think $1000LT is the norm. It could be that Bonzo always goes for the cream and I did meet a few providers who wanted more but don't pay 2000 or even 1500 for LT.
The rare girl who can command such a fee is not often interested in LT and will try to leave early and still get the dough.
For the average and even good Thai or Phil provider I either don't even talk price or offer $1000 saying that is what I always pay and leave in no doubt you mean it (which I do), I think my last trip 2 months ago I did not get any that wanted to insist on more.

You also have to balance out the high price $1000 (admittedly LT) with the alternatives. $200 SW in Jordon, $400 YS or $350-500 141.

That is probably the secret to keeping within your budget, don't always go for the high price ($1000 plus lady drinks) option. Have a bit of the cheaper variety as well.
I think if u follow this $US200-300 is enough assuming you weren't including accommodation in the figure.

BJK

[QUOTE=BJK]Thewayoflaotzu, I quote Bonzo but am replying to your post on costs
Personally I think $1000LT is the norm. It could be that Bonzo always goes for the cream and I did meet a few providers who wanted more but don't pay 2000 or even 1500 for LT.
For the average and even good Thai or Phil provider I either don't even talk price or offer $1000 saying that is what I always pay and leave in no doubt you mean it (which I do), I think my last trip 2 months ago I did not get any that wanted to insist on more.
BJK[/QUOTE]

I agree with BJK and his approach - I offer HK$1000 making it obvious that is my limit and 99% of the time it is acceptable. A lot depends on the time as well - later in the night and it is easier. Another "ploy" is to watch what is going on. There are plenty girls sitting round the bars who never seem to be approached by punters - and there are some good looking ones there if you keep your eyes open. Many are actually there on their own with few friends. Be nice to them, treat them with respect, buy them a drink and often you win a watch. An absolute stunner in Fenwicks one night came back with me and in the morning told me she never went out for less than $2000 and when I asked why she came with me - she said because I was nice to her!
I have to be honest and say that paying HK$1000 - 1500 for ST is far too much but if Bonzo 1 feels he has to, then fair enough. Each to his own.
I just hope this does not become the norm!

[QUOTE=Bobby Cat]I guess we've heard the rumors. Anyone know for sure, will it OR has it reopened? Heading to HK next weekend so hopeful it's back in biz. Fingers crossed.[/QUOTE]

Not open as of tonight.

[QUOTE=Globe Spinner]Pretty good if you don't mind a middle aged overweight Chinese woman:)[/QUOTE]

Well, I'm nice, clean and almost 100 pounds overweight, and I've got three freebies trolling right now. They are 21, 24 and 33 - flat tummies, shaved pubes, and, well ... you go from there. Did I mention that I am old .. 40+?

All I can say is one word ... flexibility! Unbelievable to screw somebody half your age! Now where was that mammary ... um .. memory again?

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]Anyway, my experience has always been 1000 to 1500 ST, 1500 to 2000 LT, and I've heard others say similar. I realize some get it cheaper. They could be better negotiators (I'm not a good one), and likely many are limiting their choices more than I do (I tend to try to focus on what I think would be the most expensive rather than least).
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Just a different experience I guess. I've not done $1,500 ST (nor $1,000) and neither has anybody I know. And it's not negotiating .. I think it is just expression of choice. I am NOT going to do somebody ST for that amount. That's like being a curb crawler in the States it seems ...

Thanks for the information everyone, esp. Jack The Lad, very helpful indeed.

I didn't bargain during my 3 visits to Neptune's and I did pick "normal" looking but pretty girls.

I quickly learned a few things: the friendly thing will work wonders.

As the girls have to trust you to leave w/o first getting paid (I didn't pay anyone until the next morning), they have to feel safe with you so being friendly will help here. And I was drinking water which may have made the girls feel more comfortable since most of the guys I saw there were a bit drunk already.

I didn't haggle over price. I assumed I would have to pay $1500 LT and I did. My first girl, I bought her a drink and her friend a drink and then asked and the price was said and we were off; the deal was sealed in under 10 minutes once I approached her. And she was not eager to leave the next morning and she's the one that came back with me for the final two days.

BUT it was well after 12:30 on a crowded Saturday night.

On the Sunday, I got there early, had a lot of rejections (which turned out to be because it was too early and girls didn't want to commit to LT so early AND there had been some kind of bust in there that morning and the girls were nervous). And I rejected the beautiful Cambodian who approached me because she asked for $2K LT and I didn't feel like I was up to it.

I was so dejected and it was now getting near midnight and I turned and saw this 24-year-old, 90 pound normal looking Filippino girl in glasses and I was smitten; I'm sure that my face registered my utter delight at finding such a little cutie in there. We chatted, $1500 LT was mentioned once, and we were gone in less than 10 minutes.

I think I'm making this trip not so much to find her again but to find many versions of her over the course of 20 days. I feel like Humbert Humbert looking for his version of Lo (though, of course, this girl was well past the legal age).

My friend took me to see the Indonesian women on their day off on that Sunday morning in Victoria Park (see picture) but I was trapped with friends that Sunday night so I am definitely looking forward to going to Laguna on Sunday afternoon to perhaps find a freebie or something special.

So I think I'll be booking the Charterhouse this week. Good news on the safe. Will my laptop be safe in the room?

Thanks again.

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[QUOTE=Basah]Well, I'm nice, clean and almost 100 pounds overweight, and I've got three freebies trolling right now. They are 21, 24 and 33 - flat tummies, shaved pubes, and, well ... you go from there. Did I mention that I am old .. 40+?

All I can say is one word ... flexibility! Unbelievable to screw somebody half your age! Now where was that mammary ... um .. memory again?[/QUOTE]

You are my hero! I stand corrected.

For my next trip to Asia, I will be flying into HKG and staying in Tsim Sha Tsui for 5 nights before flying off to BKK, Pattaya and then back to Macau. No problems there.

Upon my return to HKG I planned on staying in Wan Chai at the Metropark for 6 days. Again no problem.

Now I see I am entitled to a free night at the Marriott (which will expire very shortly). Great, So I thought I would book the Renaissance Harbor View for one night and use up my voucher, stay close to the Wan Chai action and have a ball. But NO! Marriott says the voucher is only good at class 3 hotels and the Renaissance is class 4. Therefore I can only book free at the Courtyard Hong Kong way out at 167 Connaught Road West.

Question: is this too far away to be much good for picking up babes in the Wan Chai Bars or ordering a 141 girl? Should I just forget it and stay the 6 nights at the Metropark as originally planned? What do you guys think?

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo]For my next trip to Asia, I will be flying into HKG and staying in Tsim Sha Tsui for 5 nights before flying off to BKK, Pattaya and then back to Macau. No problems there.

Upon my return to HKG I planned on staying in Wan Chai at the Metropark for 6 days. Again no problem.

Now I see I am entitled to a free night at the Marriott (which will expire very shortly). Great, So I thought I would book the Renaissance Harbor View for one night and use up my voucher, stay close to the Wan Chai action and have a ball. But NO! Marriott says the voucher is only good at class 3 hotels and the Renaissance is class 4. Therefore I can only book free at the Courtyard Hong Kong way out at 167 Connaught Road West.

Question: is this too far away to be much good for picking up babes in the Wan Chai Bars or ordering a 141 girl? Should I just forget it and stay the 6 nights at the Metropark as originally planned? What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]Marriott Courtyard is a little out of the way , but is only a 7 or 8 minute taxi ride to Wanchai - the hotel is gf , slight downside is it is sometimes difficult to get taxis , particularly if it is raining - otherwise a nice new hotel.