But that is not my position
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I disagree with EihTooms that a good licking and an oral finish are not an acceptable ending. In fact even a well delivered double handed mano job cannot be replicated by masturbating. A lubed finger on your anus can be exhilerating. Most good porn flicks end with a rich facial and hair shot. The whole P4 P biz used to be dominated by oral sex and esp. Oral endings before condoms became available.[/QUOTE]Hmm. I am not sure how you got that an "oral finish or oral ending" is not acceptable to me. I have always been in favor of a BBBJ+CIM option where BBFS+CIP is not agreed to by the lady. There are times when I prefer an oral finish or ending over a CIP finish. I will even happily take a girl who agrees upfront to that when she will not agree upfront to a BBFS+CIP. And, yeah, that is when I am fine to "go with the flow" and many a girl has then gotten into it with me enough, gotten horny enough to change her mind about not allowing BBFS+CIP.
I only dismissed BBBJ+CIM as a reliable fall back service in the post you quoted in that saying nothing upfront about either a CIP or a CIM finish means I might find out at crunch time that she isn't going to provide EITHER kind of finish. Or in the case of BBBJ+CIM it turns out she either is in fact or is only pretending to be utterly inept at the act. I have had plenty of sessions go that way when I have not cleared it upfront before I take the girl and, yes, even with girls who were frothing at the mouth crazy horny and soaking the bed with natural pussy lube. LOL.
Unless the money is very little and whether I finish or not this time with this girl is quite unimportant, there is no reason not to clear up one or both kinds of finish with a P4P girl before I take her. It requires no more than one or two sentences of about 7 seconds in length.
No, my only objections FOR ME in the post you quoted was about "pulling out to CUM ON" whatever. That includes pulling out of her mouth to cum on her face, in her ear, on her tits or out an open window, none of which do I consider an "oral finish or oral ending."
Btw, just wondering, do you think those porn actors pull out of their sex partner's pussy or mouth and masturbate a finish onto their girl's stomach, face or tits when they are engaged in a private sexual encounter behind closed doors without a camera rolling in the room to film the "money shot" essentially meant to prove to a porn audience that they finished? I don't think for one minute that is how those porn actors choose to finish in their off camera, personal sexual encounters.
Delegation, pleasure and submission
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2588676]Hmm. No, my only objections FOR ME in the post you quoted was about "pulling out to CUM ON" whatever. That includes pulling out of her mouth to cum on her face, in her ear, on her tits or out an open window, none of which do I consider an "oral finish or oral ending." Btw, just wondering, do you think those porn actors pull out of their sex partner's pussy or mouth and masturbate a finish onto their girl's stomach, face or tits when they are engaged in a private sexual encounter behind closed doors without a camera rolling in the room to film the "money shot" essentially meant to prove to a porn audience that they finished? I don't think for one minute that is how those porn actors choose to finish in their off camera, personal sexual encounters.[/QUOTE]When with a personal lover, I suppose a porn actor CIP or CI anus or let the young girl get them off with her tongue, lips, throat and hands. I was more thinking of enjoying P4 P to the fullest. For me making the young bird submit to me and to put her in her place, to make her sweat and to take her power over me away, meaning to deep throat, skull fuck, penetrate as deep as possible in the tightest orifice possible and to facial her are part of the pleasure. That works better in P4 P than with lovers. 4 hands do more good than 2. A good love girl finds balls, anus, legs or tummy to carress even if the sperm jet is administered by her lover.