Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1779231]When the coyote nonsense started that was pretty much the end of gogos for me. Actually when "The Arab" bought his first bar, Midnight, Cowboy began a very quick downhill slide. That is when prices started to get ridiculous as well. And truth be told most of the coyotes are not all that in the looks dept. It seems that youth and no baby drag are the main qualifications. When I want to see pretty girls I head to Paragon, Central World, or EmQ. After a trip there even the best gogo gals leave quite a lot to be desired. I still can't believe that dudes will pay 4 k or more (incl BF) for a ST with these girls. For a good looking sophisticated escort that can provide fantasy services, really understands male erogenous zones, and speaks good English I could see paying 150 USD for an hour, but for Isaan farmer's daughters with a 6th grade education; sorry, I just don't get it. They will never be worth more than 1 k ST and 500 BF to me. But hey, to each his own.[/QUOTE]You guys (tho ones who live here or visit often) have a much clearer view of the BKK landscape. Us tourist are at the mercy of the bars for the most part. It is what it is, bargirls in general are better looking than any DIA chicks, at least to my unbiased eye. Don't get me wrong I understand the art of the deal and to play the field and not just one method of operations. The bars are the low hanging fruit to a newbie.

I'm here in the middle of Nana and Soi Cowboy at the moment, taking off for the PI for a week tonight. I will return to BKK for a few more days next month. I will say it is a bit mercenary here in BKK. I've spent the last week being a bit of a sucker, yep I did the big BFs at CH and it worked out 50% of the time. If you're pounding beers and entranced by the stunning young bodies parading w / in feet it's easy to lose yourself. I am pretty stingy when I rate a lady's looks but there are many 8's in CH w / a couple 9's. Sure most really hot ones were looking for drink money from Ks or Js, but my guess is 85% of the ladies would go w / western mongers and so I am alright w / those percentages. The problem is of course the BF and the ladies portion 3000 to 5000 b paid in advance.

That for me turned out to be a big problem. The ladies can cut your session short and there are no repercussions for her, she gets paid in full. I had a few from the CH take off early for various reasons, so I'm not a big fan right now.

My other experiences this week were at Angels Massage, 1900 b for massage and full service. This to me was a good value and I took a lady by the name of Fern, she was fun but not GFE, my buddy's girl gave him the GFE, so it's hit and miss. Once you spend some time here in BKK and establish connections the GFE is guaranteed for the most part.

I also found out where the Thermae Bar is (around the corner from me) and took a nice FL out of there last night, so I am getting the hang of the city.

So my take is the popular bars are a bit mercenary and I'm not into being shorted. That's what they do, they short you. The problem now for me is I love to see that level of beauty (Crazy House) prancing about but man once I've seen it then I want it. The big city is a tricky place indeed.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Markly2;1779166]So, basically all the girls outside the bars "grabbing" at you are Coyotes?[/QUOTE]In Cowboy I did not notice, and not that many grabbing at me. I have a too purposeful a walk. They mostly leave me alone.

If in Nana, all the ones grabbing you will be lady boys. (well 90%.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1779231]When the coyote nonsense started that was pretty much the end of gogos for me. Actually when "The Arab" bought his first bar, Midnight, Cowboy began a very quick downhill slide. That is when prices started to get ridiculous as well. And truth be told most of the coyotes are not all that in the looks dept. It seems that youth and no baby drag are the main qualifications. When I want to see pretty girls I head to Paragon, Central World, or EmQ. After a trip there even the best gogo gals leave quite a lot to be desired. I still can't believe that dudes will pay 4 k or more (incl BF) for a ST with these girls. For a good looking sophisticated escort that can provide fantasy services, really understands male erogenous zones, and speaks good English I could see paying 150 USD for an hour, but for Isaan farmer's daughters with a 6th grade education; sorry, I just don't get it. They will never be worth more than 1 k ST and 500 BF to me. But hey, to each his own.[/QUOTE]I think the Coyote "nonsense" has changed slightly, now that plenty are BFable. I can't say if any are worth it. Did not take the gamble. Spoke to two Coyote girls in Mandarin and did not like them. Returned to Mandarin last night looking for the 10 points girl. She wasn't there and I now presume she was just a guest and never worked there. I decided I don't like this bar at all and won't return. Mandarin upstairs is a maybe return, as the girls were very good looking and less pressure in there.

I enjoyed chatting to a Coyote girl in Mercury (not BFable), as she was excessively cute (and skinny but a some curves). She works two jobs. Waitress in friend's shop near Srinakarin during the day for very low money (virtually a volunteer worker). Dancing at night to support herself. She can sell a lot of drinks and make 1 K plus on an average day and somewhat more on a good day with some extra tips. She makes 50 Baht per drink sold. However don't see myself going back there regularly. What for? Was just there for the experience to see what is going on more than anything. Business at Mercury as improved dramatically since they recently introduced the Coyotes. Only two or three of the gogo girls are good looking to my taste.

I guess Coyotes and ladyboys is, bit by bit, gradually taking a stronger and stronger hold. My purpose in a bar is to see pretty girls dancing preferably completely nude, and take a pretty girl for sex. As has been said many times, finding the fabulous body, pretty face and coupled with a great performance is only a very small percentage of the girls.

My favourites at Crazy House, Oom (the power) and Ging (the tits) have been either missing or not available. So tried a part time girl last night Taeng Mo who only works Friday and Saturday, and studying to be a nurse. Very good body and face, but performance was very average. I think she was tired and wanted it to be quick. Chemistry with her before the sex was actually quite good. However cannot guarantee compatibility on the bed. My preferred pace is very slow. Won't bother to repeat. She was obviously extremely inexperienced in sex. I am guessing has not fucked a guy many times in total including Thai boys. She has no BF, and she just wants a BF to take her to eat and watch a movie. Actually she has no time for a guy and would be poor sexually.

Meanwhile I and finding the line up at Oily Can Cam is getting plenty of new girls, making choosing a girl very difficult, as several look really well above normal Oily standard, for me. My tiny enthusiastic sex kitten Mai, was in yesterday so I repeated. That was my best experience for the day. She said she did not get a single customer on Friday. Strange. They had a lot of pretty girls and few customers for the whole day. She is too skinny for many guys to consider her. Tight pussy too.

After three days of mongering, some really good experiences and some disappointing. Jaded now so back to a normal life with sparse mongering. Mongering more than once per day can be a waste of time and money.

To sum up simply: The girls that really like sex (at least sometimes) can give very pleasurable sessions. Those that were obviously just doing a job are pretty boring on the bed and one was so dull and serviceless that I could not even fuck her properly. Chemistry matters a lot.

For me it is back to building a few favourites and then just repeat them. Trying lots of new girls yields relatively few top sessions. Repeat girls for me. I will try some more girls at Can Cam, as several have the looks. So far both May and Mai gave me very good times.

No super stunning girl found unfortunately, just some quite pretty ones. Should have tried at the Soapies again but did not get around to it.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1779534]I think the Coyote "nonsense" has changed slightly, now that plenty are BFable.[/QUOTE]Coyote girls have indeed been bfinable for quite some time now but the prices have always been crazy. I remember in one of my earlier trip I was walking past Cowboy 2 and got seriously attracted to a girl sitting outside. I went into the bar and it was dead but still ordered for a drink. When the coyote came in I called her. I got her a LD, tried to chat for some time, asked her for ST. She had to go and check with the mamasan and when she came back she uttered 3000 BF + 3000ST = 6000 bht for 2 hours. I was leaving for pattaya the next day hence didn't find it worth the money and walked out.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1779231]For a good looking sophisticated escort that can provide fantasy services, really understands male erogenous zones, and speaks good English I could see paying 150 USD for an hour, but for Isaan farmer's daughters with a 6th grade education; sorry, I just don't get it. They will never be worth more than 1 k ST and 500 BF to me. But hey, to each his own.[/QUOTE]Goatscrot, I can relate to what you are saying. I walked away from cowboy 2 for this simple reason that 6000 bht is not worth a St with a girl who only looked stunning and there was no assurance of any good service thereafter. I would have hit a jackpot or everything else would have been downhill after that which happens in most of the cases with young stunners. If the total costing would have been around 3500 baht (max 1000 BF + 2500ST) I would have still taken a leap of faith.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1779534]To sum up simply: The girls that really like sex (at least sometimes) can give very pleasurable sessions. Those that were obviously just doing a job are pretty boring on the bed and one was so dull and serviceless that I could not even fuck her properly. Chemistry matters a lot.

For me it is back to building a few favourites and then just repeat them. Trying lots of new girls yields relatively few top sessions. Repeat girls for me. I will try some more girls at Can Cam, as several have the looks. So far both May and Mai gave me very good times..[/QUOTE]Very true words. I have found that the "smarter" gals are more likely to enjoy sex and the power that they have over men during a session. It's harder and harder to find "favorites. " What was once a rotation of several has turned into a rotation of none. Probably would pass on Can Cam myself. 2800 for 90 min is steep in my mind.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1779557]Goatscrot, I can relate to what you are saying. I walked away from cowboy 2 for this simple reason that 6000 bht is not worth a St with a girl who only looked stunning and there was no assurance of any good service thereafter. I would have hit a jackpot or everything else would have been downhill after that which happens in most of the cases with young stunners. If the total costing would have been around 3500 baht (max 1000 BF + 2500ST) I would have still taken a leap of faith.[/QUOTE]It's really difficult for me to rationalize paying 100 USD for the same type of experience that I used to pay 25 USD for. Yes, prices go up, but that rate is a little ridiculous. 50 USD I could see, 100 no way. Now, if I was getting a much better experience then I could see the increase above and beyond inflation but that's out of whack with the increase in cost of living in Thailand, which is about double what it was when I moved here 16 years ago.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1779570]Very true words. I have found that the "smarter" gals are more likely to enjoy sex and the power that they have over men during a session. It's harder and harder to find "favorites. " What was once a rotation of several has turned into a rotation of none. Probably would pass on Can Cam myself. 2800 for 90 min is steep in my mind.[/QUOTE]Girl still only gets just under 1500 out of the total, so overhead is high. It's like the shop is taking half (too high).

I would like to have said the all in price is the way for girls to get a pay increase, but I believe this is not the case here.

You can take 60 minutes at a cheaper price. LOL. In my case, it's little extra to get a pretty girl, so I am happy if she performs great. I don't need anal when girl has a tight or good feeling pussy. For me A+ is just an occasional curiosity thing.

Can pay even more and get a really good room. LOL.

Unfortunately I have not been able to sway my brain to taking plain looking PSE girls with average to pudgy bodies, even I know they can be cheaper. Emmy (the new one) at Snow White was a better looking slim girl I could do and repeat. She has a nose job, so that is a negative for me. I would still prefer June if she was still there.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1779574]It's really difficult for me to rationalize paying 100 USD for the same type of experience that I used to pay 25 USD for. Yes, prices go up, but that rate is a little ridiculous. 50 USD I could see, 100 no way. Now, if I was getting a much better experience then I could see the increase above and beyond inflation but that's out of whack with the increase in cost of living in Thailand, which is about double what it was when I moved here 16 years ago.[/QUOTE]You must update your exchange rate because THB 6000 is now USD 160. I had very nice service and lady for that price in Switzerland witch is not the cheapest country!

[QUOTE=KevinBurke;1780106]You must update your exchange rate because THB 6000 is now USD 160. I had very nice service and lady for that price in Switzerland witch is not the cheapest country![/QUOTE]Sure that is more than obvious. Goatscrot would not bother to address the higher figure 6000 Baht, since there is no way he would be paying a massive BF for a Coyote, e. G. At Cowboy bar. Almost no one is paying 6000 baht total BF + ST for a Bangkok bargirl. Its not a realistic number, unless a very large drinks bill as well.

I have recently been in Soi 4 on occasion, and was surprised to see several reasonably good looking freelancers around 10 PM or 11 PM. Very late, the standard drops. Seems they want the flexibility of not having to work in a bar or MP. Don't know how many of them are just part time hookers, needing money to pay the bills. The standard of looks of the freelancers around Nana Hotel and vicinity has definitely improved a lot over earlier years. Did not actually buy as yet so did not check the prices. Certainly more doable to my taste than ever before.

The downside is having to be careful to make sure you don't pick a lady-boy, like so many other Farangs are doing there. The other downside is can't see the girl naked before choosing to check the body properly. Tits and belly could be a disaster site, for all we know. I guess just have to take the gamble.

[QUOTE=KevinBurke;1780106]You must update your exchange rate because THB 6000 is now USD 160. I had very nice service and lady for that price in Switzerland witch is not the cheapest country![/QUOTE]You can be right on the monetary side, but, still allowing YMMV, it is a fact the Thai experience is far different from the western one. I still prefer the Thai environment.

I also believe that 6000 b. Is by far too high in general Thai standards. So must be one of a kind, and the average being much less.

Whilst 6000 b. Ir USD 160 can be quite common in Europe for a decent ST held in a decent place, and for this I exclude SW and dodgy ST rooms.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1780460]Sure that is more than obvious. Goatscrot would not bother to address the higher figure 6000 Baht, since there is no way he would be paying a massive BF for a Coyote, e. G. At Cowboy bar. Almost no one is paying 6000 baht total BF + ST for a Bangkok bargirl. Its not a realistic number, unless a very large drinks bill as well.[/QUOTE]Correct. In fact unless the performance was amazing and so were the looks I would be hesitant to pay even 100 USD. But yes, I was including a few drinks in that figure. Ah, sometimes I forget; the exchange rate is finally back to something decent.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1780462]I have recently been in Soi 4 on occasion, and was surprised to see several reasonably good looking freelancers around 10 PM or 11 PM[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Syzygies;1780462]Don't know how many of them are just part time hookers, needing money to pay the bills.[/QUOTE]That's the point. It's end of the month and many non-pros joining for a day or two to pay there bill's. In my opinion it's the best time every month. With some luck you can make some very nice and rare hit's in this time. If you play your card's right, you connect steadily with those girl's.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1780462]I have recently been in Soi 4 on occasion, and was surprised to see several reasonably good looking freelancers around 10 PM or 11 PM. Very late, the standard drops. Seems they want the flexibility of not having to work in a bar or MP. Don't know how many of them are just part time hookers, needing money to pay the bills. The standard of looks of the freelancers around Nana Hotel and vicinity has definitely improved a lot over earlier years. Did not actually buy as yet so did not check the prices. Certainly more doable to my taste than ever before.

The downside is having to be careful to make sure you don't pick a lady-boy, like so many other Farangs are doing there. The other downside is can't see the girl naked before choosing to check the body properly. Tits and belly could be a disaster site, for all we know. I guess just have to take the gamble.[/QUOTE]Soy 4 can be good pickings. Freelancers come without some of the security of Bar girls, or massage girls but if you keep your danger antennae up it can be worth it. Some of these girls don't like the smoke, loud music, and drunks at the bar. Also may like the independence that free lancing offers. I have pulled from there many times and been pretty lucky. They probably get fewer customers I. E. Fresher. I guess I just prefer them since I don't hangout at the bars either.

[QUOTE=Socker;1779423]You guys (tho ones who live here or visit often) have a much clearer view of the BKK landscape. Us tourist are at the mercy of the bars for the most part. It is what it is, bargirls in general are better looking than any DIA chicks, at least to my unbiased eye. Don't get me wrong I understand the art of the deal and to play the field and not just one method of operations. The bars are the low hanging fruit to a newbie.

I'm here in the middle of Nana and Soi Cowboy at the moment, taking off for the PI for a week tonight. I will return to BKK for a few more days next month. I will say it is a bit mercenary here in BKK. I've spent the last week being a bit of a sucker, yep I did the big BFs at CH and it worked out 50% of the time. If you're pounding beers and entranced by the stunning young bodies parading w / in feet it's easy to lose yourself. I am pretty stingy when I rate a lady's looks but there are many 8's in CH w / a couple 9's. Sure most really hot ones were looking for drink money from Ks or Js, but my guess is 85% of the ladies would go w / western mongers and so I am alright w / those percentages. The problem is of course the BF and the ladies portion 3000 to 5000 b paid in advance.

That for me turned out to be a big problem. The ladies can cut your session short and there are no repercussions for her, she gets paid in full. I had a few from the CH take off early for various reasons, so I'm not a big fan right now.[/QUOTE]Be careful! I was at Thermae bar last year and this really cutie and her friend started to hit on me. It was clear they were talking on me. The friend looked like a young MILF and the cutie in her teens. So I walk over to them and fire up a conversation only to find out the cutie was 15 yrs old and the friend was her mother. I left the bar immediately.