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[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Also, I never ever ever pay more than 200 rubles for moving within the Garden Ring. And I might note that my Russian colleagues consider me to be a "weak" negotiator when it comes to taxis. 300 rubles is highway robbery and 1000 rubles is just plain stupid.[/QUOTE] Of course you're talking about travel in Moscow during evening hours - right? I have found the that the fare DECIDEDLY goes up when the traffic gets bad. I was traveling from The Crown plaza to Night Flight with two Moscow First Timers in June. It was a Tuesday night at 9:00 PM, it had rained and the traffic was horrible. I was going to offer 300 Rubles just cause I didn't want to screw around. But still it took three gypsy cabs before one would accept the deal.

One of my favorite shows on the Russkii televisor is called такси (taxi). It's a kind of game show that takes place in a taxi. The host of the show is the driver and he picks up fares around Moscow. When he first stops to pick up someone, he has to pretend that he's a real taxi, so he goes through the process of agreeing on a fare. I love listening to how the native Muscovites haggle over 50 rubles, they are the masters of this.

On a clear, bright summer day, a native Muscovite would never pay more than 100 rubles for taxi fare within the Sadovaya. Maybe 200, if travelling all the way from one end to the other. Maximum 300 rubles beyond the Sadovaya.

Pizdyets' negotiating skills are much better than mine, mainly because I'm just too lazy to argue over an extra 100 rubles. So I pay 200/300/400. Unless, of course, it's midnight, in the middle of February and it's -30 and I'm standing in a foot of snow, then I might go to 500.

If you are only in town for a few days, don't speak Russian, have no idea where you are, or where you are going, then you will have to pay a big tourist premium. But paying a Moscow taxi driver 1,000 rubles for a short trip, really is just plain stupidity. All it will do is reinforce the idea in his mind that tourists will pay whatever he asks, and then guys like Pizdyets and myself will have to dis-abuse him of this notion all over again.

If a taxist in Moscow asks you for more than 500 rubles to go anywhere, just walk. Remember, every car in Moscow is a potential taxi and if one doesn't want your fare, it is almost certain that someone else will.

[QUOTE=Chercheur]Tochka 55° 53’ 09.01’’ N 37° 44’ 00.89’’ E

7500 p[/QUOTE]ThanK you for your response.

Do you know any other toshkas? How big is this one and how far from the center by driving?

[QUOTE=Toptraveler1]ThanK you for your response.

Do you know any other toshkas? How big is this one and how far from the center by driving?[/QUOTE]Just outside the MKAD big ring on Yaroslavl Road

Not so big, but a few other tochkas nearby

I have only been there at 7 pm; I would be interested to know what is going on there later in the evening

A taxi driver took me there, he does not speak English, but he understood what I wanted (through my poor Russian) and did negotiate for me. PM me if you want his phone number.

Does anybody know in which metro stations tochkas take places ?

[QUOTE=Champ Lover]As I am a newbie in this forum (I am a regular in one of the German forums, based in Frankfurt and mostly active in the Oase Club near Frankfurt), I apologize if this post is against forum rules, but Passepartout, would it be possible if you posted the adress of the saloon? Rusodug itself does not seem to have that information, and being challenged in the Russian language, I am a bit afraid at the moment, to call the saloon for their adress.

Thanks in advance,

CL[/QUOTE]

i don't know if I can do that. I tried to send you a PM but probably you didn't pay the fees.

Is anyone know if we can publish adresses or not?

[QUOTE=Passepartout]i don't know if I can do that. I tried to send you a PM but probably you didn't pay the fees.

Is anyone know if we can publish adresses or not?[/QUOTE]None of the websites publish addresses. There is a good reason for this: most salons and massage parlors simply aren't large enough to accommodate more than 3 or 4 customers at a time. If their address is made public, then they have no control over when customers arrive, and it can be a nightmare for them if too many men show up at the same time.

It's better for them, and better for you, to call first and let them know you are coming and when you plan to be there. I understand this is difficult for those who don't speak Russian, but I think it is not difficult to find someone to help. Taxi drivers are typically glad to make the call for you and get the address.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]None of the websites publish addresses. There is a good reason for this: most salons and massage parlors simply aren't large enough to accommodate more than 3 or 4 customers at a time. If their address is made public, then they have no control over when customers arrive, and it can be a nightmare for them if too many men show up at the same time.

It's better for them, and better for you, to call first and let them know you are coming and when you plan to be there. I understand this is difficult for those who don't speak Russian, but I think it is not difficult to find someone to help. Taxi drivers are typically glad to make the call for you and get the address.[/QUOTE]In Buenos Aires, Jackson has published a list of the good privados (salons) with address and floor. You just go, ring the bell and they let you in. Very easy, great thanks to Jackson.

In Moscow and in Peter, it does not work this way: if you go there and ring the bell, they will not let you in, they want you to call first.

The taxi drivers will make the calls for you and they will be glad to take you there, even up to the apartment door if you ask them.

Most if not all of the taxi drivers do not speak any english. If you speak a little Russian, it is much easier to speak to them than to speak on the phone.

But if you speak no Russian at all, even if you make it to get there, in most of the salons the girls will not speak enough English for you to have a good time (IMHO). You'd better go to the english speaking salons, Charmed or Elite.

[QUOTE=Jake993]Of course you're talking about travel in Moscow during evening hours - right? I have found the that the fare DECIDEDLY goes up when the traffic gets bad.[/QUOTE]

Yes, that's true. But if I'm trying to get from A to B in rush hour, I'm probably heading to the metro, as it'll take you half the time, and 20 rubles is hard to beat. ;)

[QUOTE=Chercheur]Just outside the MKAD big ring on Yaroslavl Road
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There are a ton of tochki on Yaroslavka, but you'll find the same on any major road leading out of Moscow. Also bear in mind that they're constantly on the move, so GPS coordinates won't do you much good. Grab a taxi driver who you think you can trust and just go find them... it's not that difficult.

[QUOTE=Passepartout]I have been to saloon "5 stars" (piat sviesd") near kurskaya bokzal:

[url]http://www.rusdosug.com/salon.php?id=403[/url].[/QUOTE]

I have been again to that place.

Guys, please note that they speak some english and they are able to indicate to you the adress and code in english. It is located 200 meters from Hotdog. In the street, no need to go to the garden side, so it is really easy to find.

It's a funny place. As it is cheap, and girls are quite good looking, then, on a thursday night, at midnight, it was really crowded. So only 3 women left, I took a petite brunette with small firm breast and amazing blue eyes. Cost only 2500 RUR.
Like my previous experience, the BJ was stunning!! They should call this place 5 stars BJ saloon, really.
The girl was new in the saloon (at least this is what she told). Nice attitude.

I will become addict. I saw an asiat girl with big boobs, I must return soon!

[QUOTE=Chercheur]Just outside the MKAD big ring on Yaroslavl Road

Not so big, but a few other tochkas nearby

I have only been there at 7 pm; I would be interested to know what is going on there later in the evening

Does anybody know in which metro stations tochkas take places ?[/QUOTE]

Following this discussion, I decided to test for the first time Tochkas.

So, I took my car on the way to Yaroslavl (the name of the road is Yaroslavl chaussee).

It was very simple to find the diev and tochkis, and it was a LOT of fun, believe me.

So, It was on a friday night around 1 o clock in the morning. As soon as you quit Moscow (sign on the road saying that you are not in the city anymore), then the game starts. You will see on both parts of the roads tochkas (many cars, many people, lights), but as well girls alone or by 2 waiting on the side of the road. I think that all the game is concentrated on 10 kilometers starting from the exit of Moscow town.
After 10 or 15 kilometers I didn't see anything else.

So, I did one or two passage, just for the fun. Stop first at a woman working alone, looks great from distance but Ugly once you are closed to her. Price was 1500 RUR for full sex and BJ. I left.


then, I went to 1 totchkas, which was by the way the first I spotted coming from Moscow on the right side. It is a place with cafes and restaurant and many cars parked in front lights on.

You just park there and mamasan comes to speak with you (i stayed in the car). She indicated to me the list prices for the full night until morning:
- 6000 RUR
- then 8000 RUR
- Then 10 500 RUR
- Then 12 000 RUR

I answered to her: show every one, for sure, hey guys that's he funniest part I guess!

6000 RUR diev came, and they were all globins. First time in 2 years in Russia that I see so many ugly girls at the same place.

Then came the 8000 RUR. I didn't like too much, maybe one only, and the mamasan told me that she was really hot in bed - before I spoke I mean

Then she called the 10 500 , some of them were quite nice, but I wasn't really impressed... until a small brunetka with amazing blue eyes came, and then I decided to take her back home.

You pay the 10500 + the small gift for the mamasam = 11 000 RUR damages for 1 night.

Back home,no discussion at all in the car. By the way, Have to admit that the girl hate what she was doing, starting to explain that she had a daughter, and that she is doing this once a month just to get more money. Bullshit as usual, because 30 minutes later she told me that she worked as well for saloon and was on the internet sites...

BJ and sex mechanical, then a small bad massage and she left.

Honestly speaking, if the body was really the one I likes usually and if the girl was really beautiful, it was not a good experience, but that's the luck of the draw. It is clear that it is almost impossible to get some contacts with girls when you choose them.

there was in this totchka more than 50 girls, and she told me that I came very late for a friday night, there could have been up to 100 girls; and most of the beautiful ones were already taken by other customers.

I saw on the road some other totchkas with maybe 30/40 girls for each of them;that's an impressive spectacle, a lot of fun, and I am sure that next time I'll make a better choice. As usual, when you do something for the first time, you are impressed and do not make the best choice.

For a full night, I think that the price is correct.

All was in russian and you need a car, so I guess you'll need to take a taxi - 1000 RUR go and back should be enough.

Passepartout great report, I loved tochkas, fair price and with a bit of luck, you really get some gems, but go there early if you want to see top notch stuff.

If I am here in this forum it is cause the guy I met my first time in Moscow, read about tochkas here and he showed me how much fun it can be and how many nice girls are there, later I registered here.

Ca_T wrote many reports about tochkas, I am sure Doc Skank remembers him as well as I do :)

For me tochkas can be a great alternative option to privates in night time and much better alternative to NF or Hot Dog. ( But I have to try Aurora for sure too :) )

[QUOTE=Passepartout]I have been again to that place.

Guys, please note that they speak some english and they are able to indicate to you the adress and code in english. It is located 200 meters from Hotdog. In the street, no need to go to the garden side, so it is really easy to find.

It's a funny place. As it is cheap, and girls are quite good looking, then, on a thursday night, at midnight, it was really crowded. So only 3 women left, I took a petite brunette with small firm breast and amazing blue eyes. Cost only 2500 RUR.

Like my previous experience, the BJ was stunning!! They should call this place 5 stars BJ saloon, really.

The girl was new in the saloon (at least this is what she told). Nice attitude.

I will become addict. I saw an asiat girl with big boobs, I must return soon![/QUOTE]
Hello passepatout,

What is the address?

Regards a previous report that there is only one 911 club, please note indeed there is actually two. One is at 18/2 Petrovka, which is a road just heading North from near the Bolshoi Theatre. This is very central Moscow and easily walking distance from Tverskaya or similar.
The other 911 club is in the Korsten Hotel which is just a little distance SW (South West – not what you think) of city central, it is near Leninsky Metro.
911 Korsten is well worth a visit. The Hotel itself is a modern ginormus complex. I always felt safe within that Hotel. Somehow i dropped my wallet as i went through the swing doors and only realised 20 minutes later and was frantically searching my bag when a hotel staff member came and asked me what i was looking for? He took me to a office and i had to describe it and lo and behold they found it and gave it to me. Not a ruble was missing. I personally recommend this Hotel. They were telling me they had been heavily hit by the Casino ban, down a third in guests but they were diversifying.
The 911 club itself within the hotel is good, 3 floors of girls, they don't overly hit on and drinks are ok priced. There is 1 Ukraine brunnette with the most perfect body i have ever experienced. I returned a second night just for her. I don’t know if repeats is a good or bad habit yet. I adored and worshipped her. She can speak very little English, but it was fun translating. An African women will appear and aggressively intervene and demand to translate, I think she charges the girl 2000 rouble for translation.
I said no thank you but she’s aggressive. Then she asks me why I don’t go with her? And I can hear Ali G. saying “is it because I’m black?” and the simple answer is “no”, its because you’ve got all the subtlety of a sledgehammer. Apart from that it’s a very pleasant club, the bar staff are quite fun.
When I agreed on a 10,000 with the Ukraine girl (300 us) price, she came back after the African Girl had spoken to here and the price was now 12,000 roubles. I said no thank you, and she went away and came back and agreed again on 10,000 roubles. So beware.
Afterwards I went out of the club into the large Hotel bar area outside the entrance of the club. I had a drink at the bar and was sitting comfortably when this angel from heaven Lena happily came and sat beside me. God she had lovely personality and beautiful body. A variety of working girls work in the various Hotel bars on the ground floor. Lena was wonderful and I fell for her completely. I popped a C and said yes please. The hotel rooms were not available as they normally would be but we got rented the Sauna for 1 hour 3000 roubles on the top of the Hotel. 6000 r Lena, Sauna 3000 r. Its on the 22nd floor and has amazing views. It’s a large Sauna of many saunas and rooms. We played hide and seek for 5 minutes which was quite fun. We had a very good time. I got a tantric massage a while back and I did that with her and it was great to see her responses to that. Hotel Korsten is the second best hotel in the world. Number 1 is Hotel Vladivostok. I’ll do report on that hotel later. I will also do a report on
911 Petrovka which I had even better experiences in. Cheers Guys.

Adresse of 5 stars is:

Metro Kurskaya
Street: Bolshoi Kazennii Pereoulok.

For the rest (number of the street, code of door entrance), give them a call, on the 10/15 girls in the appartment, at least one will have a broken englidh, still enough to give to you the last details.