American Politics

[QUOTE=DCups;2566237]Mr. Canada, all the libtards are losers. They'd rather suck off the government's hind teat than work for a living. If they do work, they'd rather have the unions tell them who to vote for. They'd rather become socialists than take responsibility for anything.[/QUOTE]Two can play this game.

All kkkonservatives are racists and cultists. They would rather overturn election results than actually govern. They would rather suck off trump than do anything else. They want the orange fruitcake to tell them what to do. They are so scared of women and minorities that they want to regulate them out of existence.

All kkkonservatives are so scared of what a bipartisan commission on January 6th would uncover that they don't w.

Anybody who thinks the orange fruitcake is still president is as big a loser as twice-impeached Donnie the loser.

Let's not forget that this is an opinion piece. For one thing it contains serious 'allowances'. Presuming that "anything inconsistent with an evolutionary origin [B]has to[/B] be man-made" is ludicrous. There are inconsistences in the theory of evolution that can't be explained outright.

But let's presume the virus did escape from the laboratory. Does it prove a malicious intent or cover up? Only in the same delusional mindset that still believes in the "election steal" after dozens of recounts and court cases have proven it to be a lunacy.

Not everything in science is clear cut. Scientist make mistakes all the time. But assigning malicious intents to a world-class scientist like Dr. Fauci tells more about crackpots who sling those moronic allegations than Fauci.

Not to say we don't need to investigate. We do, but it's got to be a scientific probe, not political.

Which is a wishful thinking, I know.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2566134]"They told the world that the Covid-19 virus clearly couldn't have been manipulated in the laboratory. But what they actually thought at first sight was that it had been.

The letter from five virologists published in Nature Medicine on March 17,2020, was the single most influential statement in capturing the public narrative about the origin of SARS-CoV-2. Here was an authoritative statement from leading experts assuring the public that in terms of the virus's origin "we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible. "[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2566301]Let's not forget that this is an opinion piece. For one thing it contains serious 'allowances'. Presuming that "anything inconsistent with an evolutionary origin [B]has to[/B] be man-made" is ludicrous. There are inconsistences in the theory of evolution that can't be explained outright.

But let's presume the virus did escape from the laboratory. Does it prove a malicious intent or cover up? Only in the same delusional mindset that still believes in the "election steal" after dozens of recounts and court cases have proven it to be a lunacy.

Not everything in science is clear cut. Scientist make mistakes all the time. But assigning malicious intents to a world-class scientist like Dr. Fauci tells more about crackpots who sling those moronic allegations than Fauci.

Not to say we don't need to investigate. We do, but it's got to be a scientific probe, not political.

Which is a wishful thinking, I know.[/QUOTE]There needs to be an investigation by several countries not just Biden cronies. If Biden staff investigates China will be cleared of all wrong doing. There is no proof that it was malicious but I think an investigation might prove it was. It appears now that Dr Fauci is one of those crackpots. I think the investigation will prove malicious intent. Even the democratic university scientists from Stanford and other big name colleges are calling for full investigation into Fauci. About time.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2566154]I have answered every single one of your questions.

1. Why do democrats hate America? Democrats invaded the capitol building on January 6th?

2. Why do democrats hate America? Democrats tried to overturn the 2020 election?

3. Why do you hate America? If not voting for the orange fruitcake means I hate America, then I'm proudly guilty.

4. Why do democrats hate police and safety in the streets? Democrats killed and injured Capitol Police officers on January 6th?

5. Why do you hate white people. Unlike you, I don't own a klan hood.

6. Why are democrats supporting democratic leaders whose policy on crime is to get rid of prisons? Why did republikkkans vote against a January 6th commission?

7. Why are democrats such losers? Who lost the last presidential election?[/QUOTE]A lot of good answers here. The questions you are answering of course are loaded, and is his MO, to type out lists of loaded questions which assume "facts" not entered into evidence. It's of the least sophisticated logical fallacies. When it's all someone has in their arsenal it shows they've matured little if any beyond high school.

[URL]https://fallacyinlogic.com/loaded-question-fallacy/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2566301]Let's not forget that this is an opinion piece......Not everything in science is clear cut. Scientist make mistakes all the time.[/QUOTE]Haha! Fauci gets flat out caught red-handed in a lie, claiming he was certain the virus was natural in origin when he was told back in January 2020 that it was man-made; and of course the fake news leftists start bleating about how "science is not clear cut". LOL. Then why did Fakebook and the rest of social media and mainstream fake news brutally censor the many scientists offering an alternative opinion on covid, lockdown, and much more?

Typical double standards. When it suits them, it's "I FCUKING love science!" When it doesn't, it's "nothing is clear cut in science". When antifa / BLM burns a city and attacks federal buildings, it's a peaceful protest. When Trump supporters file peacefully through a federal building after being invited in by police and cause no damage, it's an insurrection. When General Petraeus used an unsecure email in a few messages to his girlfriend, he was forced to resign, prosecuted and destroyed. When Crooked Hillary Clinton used an unsecure email for far longer and far more systematically in order to conceal her various crooked deals as Secretary of State, nothing happened to her. When Biden openly bribes the Ukrainians with a billion dollars in US taxpayer money to end in investigation into his crooked crack-smoking son's corrupt deals, nothing happens. When Trump asks the Ukrainians to look into it, he gets impeached.

The further the aggressive, hypocritical leftist lunacy goes, the more convinced I am that we cannot live with these people for whom reality is merely an obstacle for their GloboHomo Marxist plans.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2566127]Arizona was recounted. Trump lost. End of story. The fake recount initiated by the Arizona senate has already been so thoroughly discredited that it will never be taken seriously if it ever gets completed. Illegal pens, illegal volunteers, non accredited contractor, illegal tampering of machines, lack of ballot security. Why bother doing the exercise and go to the Trump standard of lets just make up the numbers.[/QUOTE]For a "fake recount", the democrats and fake news sure are keen to get it stopped! Why not just ignore it if it is so "discredited"? They're rattled, as are you. They thought Americans would just surrender to the fraud, but still the spirit of freedom and truth shines despite their best efforts.

The recount will be full, thorough, and verified. That is why it is taking so long. We will see what the results are when they arrive.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2566130]Democrats do not hate America, you do because you do not support the constitution.[/QUOTE]Democrats do hate America, which is why they spent the last year burning its cities. And they do not support the constitution, as they breached it in order to engineer fraudulent mass mail-in voting without legislation from the state legislatures.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2566124]LOL. Days have past and you are still unable to provide links for stuff you claimed Biden and Fauci said like the link I provided for Maddow's first quarter ratings.

I'll take that as proof that there aren't any and you just made up that stuff or merely repeated what some other noodnik made up. Probably Tucker Carlson.[/QUOTE]I already destroyed your ridiculous Maddow assertion. See Natty Bumpo's post below for more forensic analysis of Fauci's lies. The great Tucker Carlson did indeed do two devastating forensic analyses in the opening segment of his Wednesday and Thursday shows.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2566158]Rattled? I think not.[/QUOTE]Trump's support among Repubs is waning, and according to a number of recent polls is well below the 90% your buddy Chris claims. Wink. Also the percentage of Repubs that believe the election was stolen is around 60%, and you can bet your last dollar that this group is heavily weighted toward those without college degrees. That said we are in the driver seat, the winner circle while your poorly educated Repubs are reduced to tears, crying foul over the election they lost. This even though Trump was crying "rigged" long before the first vote was cast. He knew he was going to lose and had the excuse implanted in the minds of fools well in advance.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2566301]Let's not forget that this is an opinion piece. For one thing it contains serious 'allowances'. Presuming that "anything inconsistent with an evolutionary origin [B]has to[/B] be man-made" is ludicrous. There are inconsistences in the theory of evolution that can't be explained outright.

But let's presume the virus did escape from the laboratory. Does it prove a malicious intent or cover up? Only in the same delusional mindset that still believes in the "election steal" after dozens of recounts and court cases have proven it to be a lunacy.

Not everything in science is clear cut. Scientist make mistakes all the time. But assigning malicious intents to a world-class scientist like Dr. Fauci tells more about crackpots who sling those moronic allegations than Fauci.

Not to say we don't need to investigate. We do, but it's got to be a scientific probe, not political.

Which is a wishful thinking, I know.[/QUOTE]After Trump's constant downplaying of the pandemic for his own selfish political ends, mocking mask wearers, prescribing bleach, claiming the numbers were cooked and that it would go away with the warm weather, signing on a quack radiologist (Atlas) who pushed the failed Swedish herd immunity model, then claiming the pandemic would end after the election, etc etc the Repubs have had an insatiable appetite for whataboutisms, conspiracy theories, and any and all distractions. Meanwhile Michael Flynn is calling for a Myanmar style coup and Sidney Powell claims Trump will be "reinstated" by August. Whatever.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2566317]I already destroyed your ridiculous Maddow assertion. See Natty Bumpo's post below for more forensic analysis of Fauci's lies. The great Tucker Carlson did indeed do two devastating forensic analyses in the opening segment of his Wednesday and Thursday shows.[/QUOTE]I didn't assert anything about Maddow. I just posted a link citing her very good cable news ratings. But we're talking about cable news shows, none of which are watched by nearly as many people as the big three broadcast network news shows.

Oh, since you couldn't come up with any suggestion for why ratings-hungry Fox does not have its own evening news program on their regular broadcast network as does ABC, NBC and CBS, I will suggest it is because that program would have to tell the truth as much as reasonably possible or get its free airwaves access license yanked.

So it would be very awkward for this hypothetical "Fox Evening News" program to be reporting the truth about, say, Trump's paltry inauguration crowd to Trump's violent anti-America, cop-attacking, America-hating insurrection mob and everything in between on regular broadcast while Tucker Carlson, Hannity, Ingraham and other Fox liars were busy promoting lies about it on the cable news version.

Consequently, Fox leaves a lot of potential money and added viewership bragging rights on the table by not having such a broadcast network evening news program just so they can get away with lying to you without worry that their possibly only real news show on the broadcast airwaves was contradicting every lie told on their fake news cable channel.

NBC and MSNBC does not appear to be worried about that.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2566134]"They told the world that the Covid-19 virus clearly couldn't have been manipulated in the laboratory. But what they actually thought at first sight was that it had been.

The letter from five virologists published in Nature Medicine on March 17,2020, was the single most influential statement in capturing the public narrative about the origin of SARS-CoV-2. Here was an authoritative statement from leading experts assuring the public that in terms of the virus's origin "we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible. "

But that's the exact opposite of what these experts thought after taking their first look at the virus. A large batch of emails exchanged with Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, was made available this week to BuzzFeed and the Washington Post under the Freedom of Information Act. For the most part the emails concern meeting arrangements or messages from cranks and have been redacted of any meaningful information. But one significant email escaped the censor's black marker.

On Jan. 31,2020, shortly after the SARS-CoV-2 genome had been decoded, Kristian Andersen, the five virologists' leader, emailed Dr. Fauci that there were "unusual features" in the virus. These took up only a small percentage of the genome, so that "one has to look really closely at all the sequences to see that some of the features (potentially) look engineered. "

Mr. Andersen went on to note that he and his team "all find the genome inconsistent with expectations from evolutionary theory. " It isn't clear exactly what he meant by this striking phrase. But anything inconsistent with an evolutionary origin has to be man-made.

This remarkable email establishes that the Andersen team's initial reaction was to suspect that SARS-CoV-2 had been engineered in a lab. Their subsequent letter doesn't adequately explain how they overcame this impression.

The furin cleavage site, a small element of the virus that they doubtless had in mind when referring to "unusual features," is an anomalous genetic insertion that could be a sign of laboratory manipulation. The distinguished virologist David Baltimore has called it a smoking gun and "a powerful challenge to the idea of a natural origin for SARS2. "

The Andersen team in its letter discusses how the virus could have acquired the furin cleavage site naturally. Their best suggestion is that SARS-CoV-2 picked up the necessary genetic information from people after it had made its jump from bats. But no evidence for this idea has emerged. And it's hard to see why the Andersen team decided that this conjecture should outweigh the appearance of laboratory manipulation.

As virologists, all had a professional interest in not provoking a storm of public condemnation over gain-of-function experiments, the bland name for genetically enhancing the pathogenic power of viruses. After taking one look at the horrific possibility that a lab leak origin for SARS-CoV-2 might cause virology labs all over the world to be closed down, it would seem, the Andersen team decided to disregard their first impressions of possible manipulation. Recall what they said in their letter: "We do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible. "

Dr. Fauci has long suggested that the virus emerged naturallyuntil the past few weeks, when he started to allow that lab escape is possible and should be investigated. The Jan. 31,2020, email from Mr. Andersen shows that Dr. Fauci knew from the beginning that experts had serious suspicions about the virus's origins. There were many other matters on his agenda at the time, but it's too bad he didn't ask for an independent panel, one not dominated by virologists, to look into the possibility that Chinese researchers genetically manipulating coronaviruses in low-level safety conditions had sparked a global pandemic. "[/QUOTE]Natty, what exactly is the precious "gotcha!" Trumpsters hope to win if it turns out the virus did leak from a lab instead of the far more typical zoonotic mode? My earliest impressions from everything I read previously was only that it was more likely to have originated from a bat rather than created or leaked from a lab in the same way it is more likely the hoof beats you hear outside an Iowa farm house are from horses and not from zebras. It was always clear to me it was only more plausible one way over the other and not that it was "impossible" to have originated in or leaked from a lab. Never heard Fauci say it was impossible.

And now the WSJ opinion piece you quoted from merely states Fauci thinks the lab leak theory ought to be investigated, not that he has concluded or ever "knew it came from a lab" as was asserted by someone else here.

Here is the link for the WSJ opinion piece, btw:
[URL]https://www.wsj.com/articles/fauci-email-bolsters-the-lab-leak-theory-11622830092[/URL]

Lab leak, zoonotic mode, Tinker Bell's pixie dust or something else, sure we want to know how it originated in order to help prevent it from happening again. But the Wuhan wet market connection was really about the first documented super spreading cite, not so much that it "originated" there.

Of course, if it turns out a Chinese lab created the virus as a weapon to unleash on the world, that would be an important discovery. But it would only make Trump's high praise of Xi's transparancy and help in controling the spread in early 2020 look worse as well as the Trump administration resuming the funding for those labs after the Obama administration had put it on pause to investigate the possibility.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2566312]Haha! Fauci gets flat out caught red-handed in a lie, claiming he was certain the virus was natural in origin when he was told back in January 2020 that it was man-made; and of course the fake news leftists start bleating about how "science is not clear cut". LOL. Then why did Fakebook and the rest of social media and mainstream fake news brutally censor the many scientists offering an alternative opinion on covid, lockdown, and much more?

Typical double standards. When it suits them, it's "I FCUKING love science!" When it doesn't, it's "nothing is clear cut in science". When antifa / BLM burns a city and attacks federal buildings, it's a peaceful protest. [b]When Trump supporters file peacefully through a federal building after being invited in by police and cause no damage, it's an insurrection.[/b] When General Petraeus used an unsecure email in a few messages to his girlfriend, he was forced to resign, prosecuted and destroyed. When Crooked Hillary Clinton used an unsecure email for far longer and far more systematically in order to conceal her various crooked deals as Secretary of State, nothing happened to her. When Biden openly bribes the Ukrainians with a billion dollars in US taxpayer money to end in investigation into his crooked crack-smoking son's corrupt deals, nothing happens. When Trump asks the Ukrainians to look into it, he gets impeached..[/QUOTE]Still trying to rewrite history, I see.

You really need to stop believing in fairytales. The orange fruitcake lost. He got kicked to to curb and yet a large majority of republikkkans are told what to think by someone considered so dangerous to democracy and society that he has been banned from social media. He tried to start his own blog but failed at that too. Truly the bigget loser.

"GloboHomo"? Brilliant. Just goes to show that republikkkans are homophobic, misogynistic, racist, xenophobic etc. Too scared to live among "different people"? Go to one of these countries. They, like you, hate everybody:

1. Afghanistan.

2. Sudan.

3. Yemen.

4. Egypt.

5. Iran.

6. Libya.

7. Mauritania.

8. Central African Republic.

9. Russia.

10. Democratic Republic of Congo.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2566317]I already destroyed your ridiculous Maddow assertion. See Natty Bumpo's post below for more forensic analysis of Fauci's lies. The great Tucker Carlson did indeed do two devastating forensic analyses in the opening segment of his Wednesday and Thursday shows.[/QUOTE]Is this the same Tucker Carlson whose legal defense to a lawsuit was that only an idiot would believe any of his "facts"?

[URL]https://www.courierherald.com/opinion/the-tucker-carlson-defense/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Canada;2565936]I am proud to be Christian. Christian is a lot better than racism. [/QUOTE]So if you're on a hooker forum you must be the typical hypocritical Christian. Thanks for confirming the theory.