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Seems the new search function (it's been awhile since I've visited.) is kicking my ass. Short question. Does the Marriott (next to the Casino Royale) still allow guests? They did last time I visited but recall reading something to the contrary. I'll stop by December 10. 12 on my way to Cali then again for a night on my return home.
Thanks.
/dddick
[QUOTE=Tbuss;1222141]IMHO, this isn't too much of a big deal. I'm hopeful the law will be overturned but short term things seem to be OK. The girls get to the Veneto and Habanos much earlier and I've heard a rumor that Le Palace is opening at 7pm instead of 9pm. Long term we'll have to see if it keeps girls away but right now there are more girls here than anytime I remember in the 7 years that I've lived here.[/QUOTE].
Thanks TBuss, I hope you are not just saying that cause you live there. Ha
[QUOTE=Dan D Dick; 1222955]Seems the new search function (it's been awhile since I've visited.) is kicking my ass. Short question. Does the Marriott (next to the Casino Royale) still allow guests? They did last time I visited but recall reading something to the contrary. I'll stop by December 10. 12 on my way to Cali then again for a night on my return home.
Thanks.
/dddick[/QUOTE]Back in August they didn't allow. Not sure now
[QUOTE=Snipps;1222988]Back in August they didn't allow. Not sure now[/QUOTE]Unless you check in initially with a guest, they will not allow guests up to the room.
Those that will:
Hotel Milan.
Vegas Suites.
Veneto
The official word on the Carrot Law is:
Sunday thru Wednesday. Alcohol sale is allowed from 9am to 2am at ALL VENUES.
Thursday thru Saturday. Alcohol sale is allowed from 9am to 3am at ALL VENUES.
All places who do not have the sale of alcohol as their main income source are allowed to remain open observing the no alcohol part. That is, restaurants, can open 24/7 without alcohol during the mentioned times.
This also applies to casinos and venues inside hotels, BUT, you can order alcohol via room service, as renting a room is representative of your own private house and you can do as you please inside.
Tbuss, I do also hope that this gets overturned, but since all this fuss has political implication, is very unlikely or very hard to foresee, as we have the president from one party, arm wrestling the mayor who is from another party.
I say political implications, because there was an alliance between the wining parties on the past election, and the president practically fired his vice president from the foreign affairs ministry, but he couldn't fire him as vicepresident because he was publicly elected and not designated by him. The vice president is from the Panamenista Party, as the mayor, so now the Winter Fortress for the Panamenista Party is the Mayor's office
So Since Habanos, A Che and Bodeguita all derive most of there profits from Alcohol do they all have to close at 3am.
Looks like the Veneto will be packed at 3am now.
Somehow down the road the laws will become more relaxed but my overall feeling is the next step is more raids and Veneto may be pressured also to stop allowing girls in. It happened for about 6 months a couple years ago. Chicas were banned.
[QUOTE=Mfins; 1223423]So Since Habanos, A Che and Bodeguita all derive most of there profits from Alcohol do they all have to close at 3am.
Looks like the Veneto will be packed at 3am now.
Somehow down the road the laws will become more relaxed but my overall feeling is the next step is more raids and Veneto may be pressured also to stop allowing girls in. It happened for about 6 months a couple years ago. Chicas were banned.[/QUOTE]Veneto has to comply with the Carrot also, as it applies to casinos even if they are inside an hotel
Am I correct in understanding all this only applies to Panama City, not David etc?
[QUOTE=GauntMan;1223575]Veneto has to comply with the Carrot also, as it applies to casinos even if they are inside an hotel[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=GauntMan; 1223399]The official word on the Carrot Law is:
Sunday thru Wednesday. Alcohol sale is allowed from 9am to 2am at ALL VENUES.
Thursday thru Saturday. Alcohol sale is allowed from 9am to 3am at ALL VENUES.
All places who do not have the sale of alcohol as their main income source are allowed to remain open observing the no alcohol part. That is, restaurants, can open 24/7 without alcohol during the mentioned times.
This also applies to casinos and venues inside hotels, BUT, you can order alcohol via room service, as renting a room is representative of your own private house and you can do as you please inside.
Tbuss, I do also hope that this gets overturned, but since all this fuss has political implication, is very unlikely or very hard to foresee, as we have the president from one party, arm wrestling the mayor who is from another party.
I say political implications, because there was an alliance between the wining parties on the past election, and the president practically fired his vice president from the foreign affairs ministry, but he couldn't fire him as vicepresident because he was publicly elected and not designated by him. The vice president is from the Panamenista Party, as the mayor, so now the Winter Fortress for the Panamenista Party is the Mayor's office[/QUOTE]Agreed, hope they end it soon too. Another potential part of this on a political front is that the vice-presidents main business is liquor- Varela Bros, one has to wonder if this law is aimed at hurting him since the two are in a major quarrel.
[QUOTE=Mfins; 1223423]So Since Habanos, A Che and Bodeguita all derive most of there profits from Alcohol do they all have to close at 3am.
Looks like the Veneto will be packed at 3am now.
Somehow down the road the laws will become more relaxed but my overall feeling is the next step is more raids and Veneto may be pressured also to stop allowing girls in. It happened for about 6 months a couple years ago. Chicas were banned.[/QUOTE]YES you are exactly right. I remember a couple of years ago chicas were banned from Veneto. It was depressing. I am very curious to see how Veneto will shape up with this law. Is there anyone currently at the veneto now? I would expect more raids. Think about it, can you imagine all the women that will show up at Veneto after 3am? Do you think Veneto will allow it? I don't think so because no alochol will be served. Veneto allow the chicas to come so us guys can buy drinks and the Veneto profits.
[QUOTE=Brother P;1223584]Am I correct in understanding all this only applies to Panama City, not David etc?[/QUOTE]David has this law in place since a long time ago
Snipps good point. Why would Veneto Allow the girls into the casino bar after 3am when the casino bar will be closed anyway. They are not going to allow them to wonder about without buying drinks or getting the guys in there to buy drinks. Someone will come up with a loop hole and will open something up somehow. Maybe Veneto will turn a conference room into a private room which can be rented out for $1. 00 and they will put a bar in there and allow chicas and hotel guests. According to the law you can drink in your rented hotel room and buy liquor from room service 24-7. Anyway, the law sucks. Panama is depressing. However. Even though I have been there many of times, does anyone know what the scene is like during a Sunday DAY TIME. I have a lay over for 8 hours in Panama Next Sunday and was wondering how Veneto is during the Day on Sunday. I know there is nothing at Habanos but I am wondering if anyone knows how Veneto is.
Thanks-
[QUOTE=Mfins; 1224779]I have a lay over for 8 hours in Panama Next Sunday and was wondering how Veneto is during the Day on Sunday. I know there is nothing at Habanos but I am wondering if anyone knows how Veneto is.
Thanks-[/QUOTE]The Veneto sucks during the day. You could try a massage parlor. Oasis is open although the time I went there on a Sunday the selection was pretty poor.
[QUOTE=Mfins; 1222156]The worst part as far as the chicas are concerned are the raids. Be it for Alcohol or noise violations, if the Colombians are there at the time of the raids, they are going to be subject to questioning by the cops and possibley detention. Just the threat of a raid keeps most of the girls at home for the weekend. Also, as far as us tourists are concerned who in the hell wants to go there for vacation not drink when we want and then the clubs we are at be raided and possibley taken to jail for. Did I read that right " Disrespect to authorities". Come on.
I was detained once for 8 hours because I didn't have my passport on me when they raided Habanos, and the girl I was with spent 5 days in Jail while they sorted everything from the raid out.
They usually do these raids or pass these laws make a big deal about it in the beggining and then things lighten up but they are become more frequent and harsher each time.
Good job Panama way to take a great party place and turn it into a nighmare. DONE with it there.[/QUOTE]One Colombiana told me the police just want money, or sex from the girls. Still trying to apply on-line.
[QUOTE=TravelDude; 1223295]Unless you check in initially with a guest, they will not allow guests up to the room.
Those that will:
Hotel Milan.
Vegas Suites.
Veneto[/QUOTE]About Vegas Suites. I was in Panama City in late September with a buddy. Online they say their rates is $80 / night. We tried asking about the corporate rates that people here mentioned here. No corporate rates. I ended up staying at Torres Blanca for $60-65 / night. My buddy was staying a week so when he got there, he asked them for cheaper rates. They agreed to $60 / night! The first couple of nights when he brought chicas back, they would charge him $20. After a couple of nights, he got fed up with this and complained to the manager. They tell him he could register as 2 and pay $65 / night for the room (how does that make any sense?) and no guest fees.