Bangkok Reports

Here are some personal reviews after visiting go-go's in Bangkok the last 4 days;.

Soi Cowboy; visited Shark, Suzie Wong, Baccara, Long Gun and Tilac. Business seemed to be quite good. Lot's of people around the street and in the bars. Baccara busy as always. Hard to see the talent due to overcrowded stage. Shark is always good in my opinion. Can not really agree that the quality has deteriorated as some suggest on the forum. I go here regularly and it is still lot's of talent to be found. Also Tilac was full on Friday night, much like expected. But the ladies here are quite old or have Coyote contracts. This bar has a fantastic layout and light setting but really disappoint on the quality of girls. Long Gun is a long time favorite due to the shows and very genuine ambience. Some really hot girls there! Suzie Wong still the most naughty bar with lesbian show, naked girls etc. Not much talent really, but if you want to see some pussy licking up-front this is the place to be.

Nana Plaza: Surprised to see less people in Rainbow 4. This used to be packed with the most beautiful girls, but was quite empty on a Wednesday night when I visited. Mandarin was a positive surprise. Some good talent. Bangkok Bunnies very busy. Rainbow 1 has lots of nice girls but have the most annoying pushy waitresses in Bangkok. Can someone advise them to relax? The small quirky bar Sexy Night was a big surprise. Many very hot girls there now! On earlier visits I go there to enjoy the music and had a hard time dealing with the ugly girls on stage. This has now improved a lot. This bar is long time running and easy to overlook but with the new lineup it makes it a favorite. In general; it seems Nana Plaza bars suffer more than Soi Cowboy bars right now, probably because the renting cost is much higher in Nana.

On a side note; After mongering in Bangkok for several years I sometimes try to challenge the girls about their skills in bed. I go ask questions like; what can you do in bed? Are you any good in bed etc. ? Most really do not understand the question. They will just look at you with a strange expression and say "Yes I boom-boom" or something like that. So. In my opinion. To try to interview them with the intent of finding out more about their behavior or skill in the bed (or elsewhere.) is futile. The only way to find out is to try it out. I have had many surprises. Both good and bad. Experienced ladies that show some naughty side during "interview" tend to be the best performers in bed, but this is far from a guarantee.

I just got back from Bkk yes Indians creates problem everywhere I have seen one Indian guy fighting with a lady near Nana bts and slapped her another other guy in JJ market fighting with a shopkeeper these days Indians are creating a lot problems in Thailand tickets are cheap so everyone just comes to Thailand!! You cannot blame Thai people for hating us we are not taught to respect a women! I'm so ashamed of being an Indian!

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1812805]It may be a prejudice but all these girls talk to each other about their customers and the general word on the street must not be too good. I have myself heard a couple of stories from a few girls I have been out with.

On one occasion I had met this girl who was in Pattaya for just 2 weeks when I met her. We went to a restaurant for dinner where the girl told me that her first BF from the previous week was an Indian man who also took her to a restaurant, ordered food for himself and fed his face without even asking the lady for a glass of water.

On another occasion one girl told me about 2 Indian men wanting to share her in the hotel room. Since it was a slow night she agreed (I wonder why? When they reached the hotel room there was 1 more guy waiting. So after getting literally gang-raped they gave her 200 B short of the agreed price and told her to leave.

Third story goes like this. A group of 4 Indians at a bar caused such an unruly scene that nearly all the other patrons walked out. I was among those walking out. I can imagine the bar must have suffered losses for the night.

Its these kind of stories that go around and create a bad name for the whole community. May not be true for all Indians, but when you hear one story more often it tends to become the general accepted truth. Sad but true.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1812819]Would be correct that majority of customers are Japanese or Korean. [/QUOTE]If the revered members on this Thailand page think they have problems with entry into bars and discrimination based on race you ought to take a look at the Angeles thread. Its worrisome that girls are refusing to barfine altogether and just happy pushing drinks around.

[QUOTE=IAmRamesh86;1812897]I just got back from Bkk yes Indians creates problem everywhere I have seen one Indian guy fighting with a lady near Nana bts and slapped her another other guy in JJ market fighting with a shopkeeper these days Indians are creating a lot problems in Thailand tickets are cheap so everyone just comes to Thailand!! You cannot blame Thai people for hating us we are not taught to respect a women! I'm so ashamed of being an Indian![/QUOTE]A good looking blonde I used to work with, went on holiday to India. She complained on return that was hard to avoid being molested by Indian men who thought they had the right to touch or pinch her ass. Known to happen in arab countries too. So its simply a case of Indians travel to other countries and must adjust to standards of behavior elsewhere. Indians living in my country seem very different. The press certainly highlights cases of Indian women being badly mistreated too, making [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]/murders appear all too normal. I am sure there are plenty of other countries where this goes on too, and where women are 2nd class citizens. In Thailand we are expected to treat women with respect, and that includes hookers as well. I don't grope girls unless they have already groped me giving like a go ahead signal, or they take my hand and put it somewhere. There are places where touching her tits is standard. There is a slightly different standard for ladyboys, who are so proud of their tits, they are usually eager to display them and have them touched. LOL.

My advice to Indians. Try not to match the stereo type of your brothers from India. Try to look and act like someone who has lived in America for a long time. I believe giving the right impression can help a lot. Thai girls like some Indians just fine, it seems.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1812908]If the revered members on this Thailand page think they have problems with entry into bars and discrimination based on race you ought to take a look at the Angeles thread. Its worrisome that girls are refusing to barfine altogether and just happy pushing drinks around.[/QUOTE]Not sure I understand your point. Some girls want to entertain for a living but not to fuck. I have met bar girls who don't want to go for sex. Some do not see themselves as hookers. Was chatting to an Insurance Saleswoman with exceptionally good English (not American style) at a bar last night (same bar contained hookers and one Ladyboy). Did not even ask her if she wanted to fuck. I was too tired after a previous session anyway.

One portable bar girl said to me last night, that if she really likes the guy, she will go for free, but I think she was joking. However I could see that some handsome young dudes got her all excited.

Or is there supposed to be a discrimination relevance here? I have met girls who only want to fuck very small dick and very quick quick so mostly only take East Asian types. I can't really complain as I like to fuck long time, not 5 minutes.

[QUOTE=JamesDean2;1812886]You are right. That is not discrimination, its racism! Every group has its share of assholes. Some groups more than others under certain circumstances but that does not make the proposed the ban on Muslims to US also a palatable idea? Hate in the business of 'love' is something we can all live without.[/QUOTE]Everyone has the right to have discriminating taste in who they fuck. It is not racism. I hate to inform you but this is not the business of "love", merely sex.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1812941]

My advice to Indians. Try not to match the stereo type of your brothers from India. Try to look and act like someone who has lived in America for a long time. I believe giving the right impression can help a lot. Thai girls like some Indians just fine, it seems.[/QUOTE]This advice could be given to so many folks from around the globe although I would suggest a modification. Try not to match the stereotype of the worst examples of your countrymen and be a little bit aware of the local surroundings and culture. The benefits are immense, to everyone.

And just in case there is an Indian who feels that his fellow countrymen have been singled out, lets not leave out those from other countries whose cultural insensitivity really annoys the locals -the British / English guys who think it is fine to get wildly drunk and complain that not everyone gets the joke, the Americans (pretending to be Canadian) who don't get it that not everyone jumps to their grunt, the Western ladies who complain bitterly about too much male attention in Africa or some Asian countries when they are going around in very revealing clothes and in what the locals see as being dressed as a pro, the Nigerians who think it is ok to scam everyone etc etc. And don't get me started on the Outer Hebridians!

I can't tell you how many times I've seen and American or a Brit or an Aussie or a German or someone else berate a Thai girl or shopkeeper or someone with a small street stall. It's really embarrassing. You wouldn't go into someone's home in your own country and act like that! We are here as guests and it is truly rude not to be grateful. I find it very difficult to believe that dancing half naked in a bar, going home with anyone, working in a massage parlor, selling wares on the street, any of it would be a choice of most of these people if it were not a matter of survival. The least we can do as guests is show them a little respect in their own home country. Rant over.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1812945]Not sure I understand your point. Some girls want to entertain for a living but not to fuck. I have met bar girls who don't want to go for sex. Some do not see themselves as hookers. Was chatting to an Insurance Saleswoman with exceptionally good English (not American style) at a bar last night (same bar contained hookers and one Ladyboy). Did not even ask her if she wanted to fuck. I was too tired after a previous session anyway.

One portable bar girl said to me last night, that if she really likes the guy, she will go for free, but I think she was joking. However I could see that some handsome young dudes got her all excited.

Or is there supposed to be a discrimination relevance here? I have met girls who only want to fuck very small dick and very quick quick so mostly only take East Asian types. I can't really complain as I like to fuck long time, not 5 minutes.[/QUOTE]The point was part humor and part anguish. I completely understand the point about not all girl wanting to fuck a stranger off the street. There is some relevance to discrimination. Someone else observed that East Asians were not stopped to buy the first drink while you had to. I have had to buy the first drink too and I have reported this earlier in a post from July. I was referring to a raging discussion in the Angeles forum about girls working in bars refusing to barfine Westerners and South Asians but willingly going out with the East Asians. You seem to have a theory here! Possible. We end up making the girl work too hard I guess.

[QUOTE=SomeAmerican;1813035]I can't tell you how many times I've seen and American or a Brit or an Aussie or a German or someone else berate a Thai girl or shopkeeper or someone with a small street stall. It's really embarrassing. You wouldn't go into someone's home in your own country and act like that! We are here as guests and it is truly rude not to be grateful. I find it very difficult to believe that dancing half naked in a bar, going home with anyone, working in a massage parlor, selling wares on the street, any of it would be a choice of most of these people if it were not a matter of survival. The least we can do as guests is show them a little respect in their own home country. Rant over.[/QUOTE]Those guys might have read too many forums where they read any Thai girl can be available for a price.

Add a bit of intoxication and you get what you described.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1812805]On one occasion I had met this girl who was in Pattaya for just 2 weeks when I met her. We went to a restaurant for dinner where the girl told me that her first BF from the previous week was an Indian man who also took her to a restaurant, ordered food for himself and fed his face without even asking the lady for a glass of water.[/QUOTE]From my last trip:

I was getting a foot massage in a decent legit shop. A family of 10 Indians stroll in acting loudly like they were in a Mumbai train station. No respect for their surroundings at all. I reckon it was a husband, wife, wife sister, mother-in-law, and six female children.

Well the father sits next to me while the 9 woman take a seat across from him on benches meant for the fish tank customers. And all 9 woman proceed to watch him get a foot massage. There was constant talk between the father and older woman in what I can only describe as an argumentative tone. And all the time that dumb Twitter whistle was coming from his phone. The Thai massage ladies in the shop looked mortified (lots of eye rolling) but did nothing to correct the behavior. They even brought the older woman some hot tea which I though was a respectful touch.

Well I closed my eyes trying to project myself into another place. When I opened them I saw the female family members sharing what looked like three portions of a street meal between the 9 of them. And after the gentleman's phone rang and he started yelling into it I decided I had enough, paid and tipped and left mid-stream. This is just one of many experiences I have had with sub-continental tourists in Thailand where they show zero class and zero respect for others. The stereotypes are quite true I am afraid.

SL.

[QUOTE=IAmRamesh86;1812897]I just got back from Bkk yes Indians creates problem everywhere I have seen one Indian guy fighting with a lady near Nana bts and slapped her ..cut...[/QUOTE]WOW!

The only part of this thread missing is the follow up newspaper report. Did it report as a tourist fatality or just mortally wounded by some of her Thai brothers?

Not only is this so wrong in LOS but any assault on a lady by a man should be.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1813050]From my last trip:

I was getting a foot massage in a decent legit shop. A family of 10 Indians stroll in acting loudly like they were in a Mumbai train station. No respect for their surroundings at all. I reckon it was a husband, wife, wife sister, mother-in-law, and six female children.

Well the father sits next to me while the 9 woman take a seat across from him on benches meant for the fish tank customers. And all 9 woman proceed to watch him get a foot massage. There was constant talk between the father and older woman in what I can only describe as an argumentative tone. And all the time that dumb Twitter whistle was coming from his phone. The Thai massage ladies in the shop looked mortified (lots of eye rolling) but did nothing to correct the behavior. They even brought the older woman some hot tea which I though was a respectful touch.

Well I closed my eyes trying to project myself into another place. When I opened them I saw the female family members sharing what looked like three portions of a street meal between the 9 of them. And after the gentleman's phone rang and he started yelling into it I decided I had enough, paid and tipped and left mid-stream. This is just one of many experiences I have had with sub-continental tourists in Thailand where they show zero class and zero respect for others. The stereotypes are quite true I am afraid.

SL.[/QUOTE]You are far more patient than I am. When I am in a situation like that, especially when I am paying for a service, I speak up. I would have told them to be quiet and behave. I done so several times in the past few years, most recently when a family was trying to jump a long line at the BTS turnstiles. BKK tourist demographics have changed considerably over the last 5 years and IMHO not for the better.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1813050]From my last trip:

I was getting a foot massage in a decent legit shop. A family of 10 Indians stroll in acting loudly like they were in a Mumbai train station. No respect for their surroundings at all. I reckon it was a husband, wife, wife sister, mother-in-law, and six female children.

Well the father sits next to me while the 9 woman take a seat across from him on benches meant for the fish tank customers. And all 9 woman proceed to watch him get a foot massage. There was constant talk between the father and older woman in what I can only describe as an argumentative tone. And all the time that dumb Twitter whistle was coming from his phone. The Thai massage ladies in the shop looked mortified (lots of eye rolling) but did nothing to correct the behavior. They even brought the older woman some hot tea which I though was a respectful touch.

Well I closed my eyes trying to project myself into another place. When I opened them I saw the female family members sharing what looked like three portions of a street meal between the 9 of them. And after the gentleman's phone rang and he started yelling into it I decided I had enough, paid and tipped and left mid-stream. This is just one of many experiences I have had with sub-continental tourists in Thailand where they show zero class and zero respect for others. The stereotypes are quite true I am afraid.

SL.[/QUOTE]Sometimes I get uneasy when racial groups are stereotyped here or elsewhere. HOWEVER, I then remind myself the Chinese government felt it needed to issue a small book or pamphlet to its nationals traveling abroad to teach them proper manners, because without such guidance the typical Chinese tourist, but of course not all Chinese tourists, tended while abroad to behave inappropriately.

This example highlights there are nationalities whose cultures do not match what is expected of tourists overseas. So stereotyping by culture would seem not to be out of line so long as there is enough flexibility to apply the stereotype only to individuals who are behaving stereotypically.

Reasonable or unreasonable?

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1813233]Sometimes I get uneasy when racial groups are stereotyped here or elsewhere. HOWEVER, I then remind myself the Chinese government felt it needed to issue a small book or pamphlet to its nationals traveling abroad to teach them proper manners, because without such guidance the typical Chinese tourist, but of course not all Chinese tourists, tended while abroad to behave inappropriately.

This example highlights there are nationalities whose cultures do not match what is expected of tourists overseas. So stereotyping by culture would seem not to be out of line so long as there is enough flexibility to apply the stereotype only to individuals who are behaving stereotypically.

Reasonable or unreasonable?[/QUOTE]During my trip to Thailand, I discovered that the so-called "ugly American" has been joined abroad by "the ugly Chinese". Loud, pushing, shoving, not waiting their turn for services, and disrespectful (inappropriate dress at the temple of the Emerald Buddha for example). Just atrocious behavior! A Thai tour guide was being a bit unprofessional I suppose when she privately confessed to me, while still acting in her official capacity on a tour, that she was sick and tired of all the unruly Chinese visitors to Thailand.

I know they pissed me off on many a night in Pattaya on Walking Street streaming along in great phalanx formations, often 4 to 5 abreast, blocking passage for a monger! I was like here we go again! This is like having to navigate the fucking Yangtze to get to where I want to go! Even some of the Thai folks running shops and small businesses and such (and some of the go-go girls too) mentioned that they did not like these Chinese tourist groups because they were disruptive while not spending enough money (yes, I spent time actually talking to "normal" local Thais). There were lots of Russian tourists present, but I understand that their numbers were actually down as Russians don't have as much disposable income to spend as they did just a few years ago.

But LA Guy, I think you're right. Stereotypes are based on some behavior, attitude, or characteristic that somebody has observed. In that sense, they have some legitimacy. But you still need to remember that people are individuals. If 5 Indian guys sip out of one Coca-Cola in the go-go bar, then the management needs to deal with them and them only. Their behavior has nothing to do with me or anybody else, so neither I nor anybody else should be denied entry because of what those 5 cheap bastards did! Judge not by the color of the skin, but by the content of the character!