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[QUOTE=Bookie77;2557850]But thousands of innocent people who live in Jacarezinho are innocent and risk their lives when police start a war there and the supreme court has already stated that no raids should take place in favelas till the pandemic is over. So who is the criminal now?[/QUOTE]
The largest criminal organization in Brazil, Comando Vermelho, have their headquarter in Jacarezinho. The police did a great work.
[QUOTE=Sperto;2557859]The largest criminal organization in Brazil, Comando Vermelho, have their headquarter in Jacarezinho. The police did a great work.[/QUOTE]The police should still be required to follow the law themselves. After all, they are supposed to be "law enforcement" officials. So if they weren't supposed to be going in there under court order, then they should not have gone in unless and until the order was overturned, or not until the conditions under which the order permitted the raid presented themselves. Unfortunately, Spidy is likely correct that they will never be held accountable.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2557745]Interesting to note that, the police defied a court order and skirted the law, killed / massacred 25 people and still thought it was a success. Pretty twisted view of success.
It's not clear yet, but there may have been some innocent victims. I doubt the police will be held accountable, for such unlawful killings.[/QUOTE]It's interesting to see that some weirdos on here are so pressed about the police killing heavily armed criminals. Personally I'm glad that the cops are doing the Lords work and making Rio de Janeiro a safer place.
[QUOTE=Sperto;2557828]Some of you might remember the Vigrio Geral massacre 1993. Four policemen were killed and the police revenge was killing 21 innocent people. That was a massacre of innocent people.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sperto;2557859]The largest criminal organization in Brazil, Comando Vermelho, have their headquarter in Jacarezinho. The police did a great work. IMO what happened now in Jacarezinho is different. Heavily armed bandits are not innocent citizens.[/QUOTE]So now the Rio police are [b] judge, jury [/b] and [b]executioner. [/b]Welcome to "order e progresso" and a police state that acts with impunity.
So what's next back to the "good old days" and "make Brazil great again" and the fascist dictatorship of President Joćo Goulart?
Worldwide this act was seen and condemned as a massacre, not just IMHO.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2557944]So now the Rio police are [b] judge, jury [/b] and [b]executioner. [/b]Welcome to "order e progresso" and a police state that acts with impunity.
So what's next back to the "good old days" and "make Brazil great again" and the fascist dictatorship of President Joo Goulart?
Worldwide this act was seen and condemned as a massacre, not just IMHO.[/QUOTE]
"The world" doesn't live in Rio. Most of my friends in Rio doesn't consider this not as "chacina do Jacarezinho" but "faxina do Jacarezinho". You feel sorry for the bandits, I don't. No problem, every man has the right to an opinion.
[QUOTE=Sperto;2557948]"The world" doesn't live in Rio. Most of my friends in Rio doesn't consider this not as "chacina do Jacarezinho" but "faxina do Jacarezinho". You feel sorry for the bandits, I don't. No problem, every man has the right to an opinion.[/QUOTE]My feelings (or yours for that matter) have nothing to do with fact, that this was a massacre. Most of my friends in Rio / Brazil do consider this a massacre.
The only thing a feel sorry for is a crumbling Brazilian democracy, justice system and a rule of law.
This has everything to do with the police murdering, killing and acting above the rule of law, abandoning procedural justice and have taken the law in their own hands, as they often do in Rio / Brazil and have murdered many innocent Brazilians.
[QUOTE=Sperto;2557948]"The world" doesn't live in Rio. Most of my friends in Rio doesn't consider this not as "chacina do Jacarezinho" but "faxina do Jacarezinho". You feel sorry for the bandits, I don't. No problem, every man has the right to an opinion.[/QUOTE]It is interesting that the same people who complain about profiling want to profile police. I have good friends in Rio from all branches of law enforcement. Also have a close friend whose father was shot on the street outside his apartment by police after getting in an argument with them. The family was afraid to take any action for fear of retaliation. All law enforcement are not good, nor are they bad.
[QUOTE=Sperto;2557948]"The world" doesn't live in Rio. Most of my friends in Rio doesn't consider this not as "chacina do Jacarezinho" but "faxina do Jacarezinho". You feel sorry for the bandits, I don't. No problem, every man has the right to an opinion.[/QUOTE]I don't like the bandits too but honestly tell me something. If police don't follow the law and the order of the court what will stop a policeman from killing you for no reason one day? They killed 24 people against the rule of the supreme court which means that nothing is going to happened to them. So what will stop a policeman from killing you one day and take your wallet? By the way does anyone knows what is the monthly salary of a cop in Brazil?
I recall that it is 1300 reais a month, but I don't know the source.
A more recent source told me $60,000 a year, but I don't know what unit of currency. This source is a former rich world police officer who is now living in Rio.
[QUOTE=Bookie77;2557994]I don't like the bandits too but honestly tell me something. If police don't follow the law and the order of the court what will stop a policeman from killing you for no reason one day? They killed 24 people against the rule of the supreme court which means that nothing is going to happened to them. So what will stop a policeman from killing you one day and take your wallet? By the way does anyone knows what is the monthly salary of a cop in Brazil?[/QUOTE]
Any predictions on where we go from here?
[QUOTE=Bookie77;2557994]I don't like the bandits too but honestly tell me something. If police don't follow the law and the order of the court what will stop a policeman from killing you for no reason one day? [/QUOTE]They wouldn't probably kill a citizen (let alone gringo) for no reason, but they've never had an issue with extrajudicial killings. And knowing how corrupt they are, I have almost no doubts that the real honchos had been warned beforehand, and the bodies littering the streets of that favela are just a bunch of clueless soldiers with a few passerby's caught up in this mess for a good measure. Big success, indeed.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2558022]They wouldn't probably kill a citizen (let alone gringo) for no reason, but they've never had an issue with extrajudicial killings. And knowing how corrupt they are, I have almost no doubts that the real honchos had been warned beforehand, and the bodies littering the streets of that favela are just a bunch of clueless soldiers with a few passerby's caught up in this mess for a good measure. Big success, indeed.[/QUOTE]A quick Google search, yields a video of Police in Rio de Janeiro, in 2017, accidentally shot dead a Spanish tourist who was visiting a violent favela slum where earlier two officers had been wounded.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbzCIKtiJLo[/URL]
I have done lots of googling and reading -- it seems Pfizer vaccine is effective on P1, and all other variants, 100% protecting from serious illness and death. Pfizer CEO said a couple of days ago that no variants found so far can escape Pfizer vaccine, though a few others have doubts. The majority of those scientists / news people seem to believe Pfizer vaccine is about the same effective on p1 and all other variants, even the new India variant.
Just FYI.
[QUOTE=Hobbying;2553950]Nice set of questions. I would add, if you test positive can you afford to be stuck in Brazil for a few weeks before testing negative to fly back to your country?
Some cities are reopening because they cite decrease in number of hospital patients, not sure how they came to that conclusion when every news org says otherwise.
The numbers are off like many other countries, multiple by 1.5 x or 2 x.
My advice would be find some Brazilian pros near you. After you blow your load you will forget about going to BR LOL.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Spidy;2558038]A quick Google search, yields a video of Police in Rio de Janeiro, in 2017, accidentally shot dead a Spanish tourist who was visiting a violent favela slum where earlier two officers had been wounded.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbzCIKtiJLo[/URL][/QUOTE]Have you worked as a police officer? Have you worked as a police officer in Brazil? It's a constant battle between life and death, and unfortunately a police officer was shot dead by the criminal faveladas in the raid that the police had to carry out.
[URL]https://www.google.se/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN13X2KI[/URL]
Who killed the innocent Italian?
[QUOTE=Spidy;2558038]A quick Google search, yields a video of Police in Rio de Janeiro, in 2017, accidentally shot dead a Spanish tourist who was visiting a violent favela slum where earlier two officers had been wounded.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbzCIKtiJLo[/URL][/QUOTE]Accidentally is a KW though.
[QUOTE=DanielMatt;2558072]I have done lots of googling and reading -- it seems Pfizer vaccine is effective on P1, and all other variants, 100% protecting from serious illness and death. Pfizer CEO said a couple of days ago that no variants found so far can escape Pfizer vaccine, though a few others have doubts. The majority of those scientists / news people seem to believe Pfizer vaccine is about the same effective on p1 and all other variants, even the new India variant.
Just FYI.[/QUOTE]Depends what you're willing to believe in, LOL.
[QUOTE]Brazilian variant (P1): A small laboratory study using vaccine sera suggests roughly equivalent neutralisation of this variant, although two other laboratory studies, published as preprints, suggest antibody titres were reduced by 2.6-fold and 14-fold. The impact is yet to be confirmed in clinical trials.[/QUOTE][URL]https://pharmaceutical-journal.com/article/feature/everything-you-need-to-know-about-covid-19-vaccines[/URL]
So 3 different studies (albeit small ones) and the results are all over the place.
This article, though, seems to concur with your findings.
[QUOTE]No doubt you are wondering what this means for vaccines, such as the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines, that have been used to immunize (at least one dose) over 140 million people in the United States. Here the news is encouraging. Serum from individuals who received the Pfizer vaccine had titers of neutralizing antibodies that were only slightly reduced for P.1 compared to the original SARS-CoV-2 virus. Therefore, the vaccine is predicted to be highly protective. This is another example of a vaccine providing more protection than a natural infection.[/QUOTE][URL]https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2021/04/27/tracking-the-evolution-of-a-variant-of-concern-in-brazil[/URL]