Moscow

I've had good success with Omen and Mamba sites over the past few years, but as others have pointed out both have gone south recently. Actually it could be a good economic indicator. Both had an uptick in supply (at reduced asking prices) during the crisis, now supply has dwindled and prices are back up. Tell your investor friends this is a sure indication that the crisis is over!

I've been looking at other sites. I speak enough Russian to get by. Odnoklassniki and Vkontakte are too much work for a foreigner in Moscow. Not really set up for fishing, more like Facebook and Classmates dot com. Dating. Ru looks like it has plenty of members. I'm curious if anyone has experience there, or other local non-pro or semi-pro sites?

Interesting handle...

Bolshaya shishka, "big pine cone"???

[i]Шишки собирает, песенки поёт[/i]

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Interesting handle...

Bolshaya shishka, "big pine cone"???

[i]Шишки собирает, песенки поёт[/i][/QUOTE]Exactly. Has the same meaning as "la grande fromage" (the big cheese) in French. It's one of several slang or idiomatic phrases that always gets a laugh and helps break the ice for me, as the locals, who aren't used to hearing their language spoken by foreigners very much anyway, really don't expect funny idioms (not mat) from someone who otherwise speaks barely intermediate Russian.

[QUOTE=Bolshaya Shishka]Exactly. Has the same meaning as "la grande fromage" (the big cheese) in French. It's one of several slang or idiomatic phrases that always gets a laugh and helps break the ice for me, as the locals, who aren't used to hearing their language spoken by foreigners very much anyway, really don't expect funny idioms (not mat) from someone who otherwise speaks barely intermediate Russian.[/QUOTE]
The "Big Cheese" is an English expression.
The French say "Grande Legume" (the big vegetable) - at least in Quebec, don't know about France.
It is just another example of the superior logic and language skills of the English.
"Big Cheese" is a perfectly clear and intuitively logical way to describe a leader,
whereas "Big Vegetable" is just a silly meaningless expression.

[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]The "Big Cheese" is an English expression.

The French say "Grande Legume" - at least in Quebec, don't know about France.[/QUOTE]"The Big Vegetable" (grande legume) is even funnier.

Back to the point, I'm still curious about the site dating. Ru, if anyone has any experience.

Re: Mamba, it's definitely chaotic, filled with more scams and bait and switch ads these days, and lures with fake pictures to salons (the most giveaway. In addition to photos uploaded in the last 24 hours. Are the profiles which say the phone number is in the "diary" section. They may be real salons, but you can find them much more easily on their own websites). One consistently target rich area there are recent divorcees. There are lots of them, many stuck at home with a kid, some looking for a new man quickly, many just looking for some attention. For many with young kids it's difficult for them to get out for dates. I've had the most luck with women in their 30's, with teenage kids in university or at least old enough to take care of themselves. Many very nice, not jaded or pros. I've made some friends this way, improved my Russian, even started some nice hook-ups, although if you don't want to be a total dog you have to be careful to make sure they aren't too desperate for the next muzh (husband), which many are, and can get very melodramatic (the Russians rule the world in melodrama) very quickly.

[QUOTE=Bolshaya Shishka]One consistently target rich area there are recent divorcees. There are lots of them, many stuck at home with a kid, some looking for a new man quickly, many just looking for some attention. For many with young kids it's difficult for them to get out for dates. I've had the most luck with women in their 30's, with teenage kids in university or at least old enough to take care of themselves. Many very nice, not jaded or pros. I've made some friends this way, improved my Russian, even started some nice hook-ups, although if you don't want to be a total dog you have to be careful to make sure they aren't too desperate for the next muzh (husband), which many are, and can get very melodramatic (the Russians rule the world in melodrama) very quickly.[/QUOTE]I think you have hit upon one of the single most important (and under-exploited) groups of Russian women: 30-something single moms. Unlike their younger, single, counterparts, they are not spoiled, petulant, conniving and skittish. Of course, they may not have those taut, toned bodies that we all lust after, but some of them are [i]very[/i] well preserved and they have 1 important quality that young dyeffki have yet to acquire.

They can be very, [i]very[/i] grateful. :)

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]I think you have hit upon one of the single most important (and under-exploited) groups of Russian women: 30-something single moms. Unlike their younger, single, counterparts, they are not spoiled, petulant, conniving and skittish. Of course, they may not have those taut, toned bodies that we all lust after, but some of them are [i]very[/i] well preserved and they have 1 important quality that young dyeffki have yet to acquire.

They can be very, [i]very[/i] grateful. :)[/QUOTE]

Now you're talking...

Evening all
Regards mamba Russian women 30 + I took it one step further, I married one. Not from mamba but from another site. Shes a good women with 7 year old son. I just thought why not. I was in a position to help. I expected nothing in return. We lived together 2 years till they got residency. I even helped them set up home elsewhere. Shes a good friend. It wasn’t all plane sailing at first but we got there. My commitment was just as a friend. And before you start saying “why did you do that for?”. I now have a good 9 yr old son whom I look after on weekends and holidays. They now both have a life in Kiwi land, a very different life from where they came from. It was fun seeing there shock at first at how different things are here, and then seeing them come out of their shells. Of course I carried on with my love affairs of other women of the working variety. What can I say, I love those women too. Its not something I’ld recommend for all, you really need to be in a good position, home, job etc etc and able to commit to a friendship long term, able to see out difficulties etc. It was great to give something back
And I sure learnt a lot about myself. Anyway there you go, what can I say, that’s my 2 cents worth.
Try not to criticise me to much. Over and out. Nickc.

Nick,

Молодец! Excellently well done.

[QUOTE=Bolshaya Shishka]One consistently target rich area there are recent divorcees. There are lots of them, many stuck at home with a kid, some looking for a new man quickly, many just looking for some attention. For many with young kids it's difficult for them to get out for dates. I've had the most luck with women in their 30's, with teenage kids in university or at least old enough to take care of themselves. Many very nice, not jaded or pros.[/QUOTE]
I'm glad somebody raised this point, because I have been feeling very much in the minority. In one of the other forums there are constant rants against women with children, yet I have always felt that they are an excellent market, especially for older guys (50+) like me. Plus you don't have to spend a lot of time in night-clubs, which I did not enjoy, even when I was young. And now feel fairly ridiculous doing.

Of course it is wonderful to be able to fuck tight-bodied 20-somethings, but realistically it is very difficult for older guys to find freebies like that and P4P has its limitations. But after 30, these girls come onto the market for guys like me and even if P4P or semi-sponsorship there can be the illusion of GFE. When dating these women I can imagine having a beautiful buxom blonde as a real regular girlfriend or wife. And if you are doing something like taking her on a trip or something, it is more credible that she is your real, voluntary partner - if that is important, and sometimes it is for me.

When I first started hunting in EE I was contemplating divorce and was a little more serious about finding an EE mate. In which case I felt that a woman with a child was a very good prospect, so long as the kid was fairly young or nearly independent. Most women will do almost anything to protect/provide for her children. To raise her kids somewhere where her son is not subject to dangerous compulsory military service in Chechnya and her daughter won't have to peddle her ass to pay the rent.

At that stage they tend to shift focus from cool guys (which I never really was) and bad boys to steady providers and good fathers - which I am. So blowing a guy morning and night in order to provide a safe harbour for her children is a price many EE women would willingly pay. And I like kids, so raising a nice little EE girl (pre-screened for FAS) as my own would not be a huge burden, so long as the wifely pleasures were delivered in full measure. And it means that she is committed for the next 10 years, until the kid is grown, after which she is too old to move on to greener pastures. For that kind of arrangement an age difference of 10-15 years is entirely possible - but much more difficult if fishing in North American waters (but not impossible, it seems to be a buyers market for divorced men). In the end, I did not take the plunge, and maybe the opportunity has passed, but it seemed like a realistic option at the time.

I know Bez and others will chime in with - "they age in dog-years after 25." And there is something in that.
But once a woman is a few years past childbirth the most dramatic changes will already have happened. If she is still fit and sexy and sexual as a 30-something MILF, then the odds are that she will continue to be attractive, relative to my aging expectations. This is preferable to having, as a partner, a barren 30-something woman who is still (maybe secretly) longing for kids. At 60, having a 40-something woman who is still very attractive, but knows that she is no longer young, could be a very stable and happy arrangement.

GT,

An excellent, considered, lucid and persuasive argument. Not sure why anyone would complain about single moms, fucking MILFs is an honorable occupation.

[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]I know Bez and others will chime in with - "they age in dog-years after 25."[/QUOTE]This is not [i]entirely[/i] true. Slavic women [i]appear[/i] to age in dog years, but, in eastern Europe, the aging process is due almost exclusively to cultural and environmental factors. There is nothing about the Slavic gene pool that makes this process inevitable.

I have met many 30-something (and 20-something) slavic MILFs here in the U.S. and invariably, they are clearly in far better shape than young American women here in their 20's (and even teens). There are several reasons for this;

Slavic women have the [b]desire[/b] to look good. Most women here in the U.S. do not. They consider any effort to attract men to be a capitulation to the sexist male patriarchy.

Slavic women [b]know how[/b] to look good. Women are not born with the skill to attract men, it's learned behavior, typically from their mothers or other female mentors. Most American women (outside of NY, LA, SF, or maybe Miami) have a fashion sense that is influenced primarily by shopping with their mothers at Target and Walmart.

In America, Slavic women [b]have the resources[/b] to look good; beauty salons, hair dressers, fitness clubs, athletic activities, clean air and water (relatively) and healthy diet (if they choose).

In America, they have the [b]time[/b] to look good. And that's the most important part: time. It takes a lot of time and effort for any woman to look good, past the age of 25, anyway.

In short, when Slavic women have all the advantages of a modern western society, they actually surpass the native population in their looks. And that's basically a matter of genetics.

[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]I'm glad somebody raised this point, because I have been feeling very much in the minority. In one of the other forums there are constant rants against women with children, yet I have always felt that they are an excellent market, especially for older guys (50+) like me. Plus you don't have to spend a lot of time in night-clubs, which I did not enjoy, even when I was young. And now feel fairly ridiculous doing.

When I first started hunting in EE I was contemplating divorce and was a little more serious about finding an EE mate. In which case I felt that a woman with a child was a very good prospect, so long as the kid was fairly young or nearly independent. Most women will do almost anything to protect/provide for her children.

At that stage they tend to shift focus from cool guys (which I never really was) and bad boys to steady providers and good fathers. Which I am. So blowing a guy morning and night in order to provide a safe harbour for her children is a price many EE women would willingly pay. And I like kids, so raising a nice little EE girl (pre-screened for FAS) as my own would not be a huge burden, so long as the wifely pleasures were delivered in full measure. And it means that she is committed for the next 10 years, until the kid is grown, after which she is too old to move on to greener pastures. For that kind of arrangement an age difference of 10-15 years is entirely possible. But much more difficult if fishing in North American waters (but not impossible, it seems to be a buyers market for divorced men). In the end, I did not take the plunge, and maybe the opportunity has passed, but it seemed like a realistic option at the time."[/quote]Very nice point of view, GT. Our situations are similar. Although sometimes when I have the energy and urge to prove (mostly to myself) that that the old soldier's still got some fight left in him I'll venture out to the clubs na rybalku (basically fishing. Apologies for mixed metaphor). In Russia and Ukraine at least (the only EE places where I have experience) I find that the age difference (I'm 50 and change now) doesn't matter nearly as much as in the US or Western Europe. Of course, from the majority of studentkas and young 20-somethings, especially in groups, I get very little response on the radar, but it's not a great majority, with plenty of candidates either fortune hunting (I try to avoid those, or snare the more nakedly ambitions and gullible ones just for fun only to disappoint them after one night), or with father issues, which many seem to have for good reason (with so many local fathers abandoning families it's not hard to paint the psychological picture), much to our cynical but hedonistic benefit. But still, that's only occasionally, does require long evenings and many rounds of adult beverages, deadly amounts of secondary smoke, shouting over music, and some effort to make sure your colleagues don't find out, if they otherwise think you're respectable.

I applaud Nickc. Very nice story. I almost did the same thing, until a 4 month relationship (long for me) with a gorgeous, delightful and interesting single Mom (long for me, but really nice) ended with a shocking surprise. I'll write more later when I have some time. Stay tuned.

[quote=gentleman travel]

i know bez will chime in with - "they age in dog-years after 25."

if she is still fit and sexy and sexual as a 30-something milf, then the odds are that she will continue to be attractive, relative to aging expectations.

[/quote]

for milf fans and lovers, the only thing i've ever said is, at this stage, unless i should meet one that i fancy, you may keep them all for yourselves.

100% of my available time is occupied with 19 y.o. institute students to have any time for anything else.

as far as how milf's age after 25, i've never made any comments regarding them, and i never would.

why would i?

i'm not even interested in moms that are 20!

i don't disagree with any of your ideas, they all make good sense.

on the other hand, i've come to the conclusion that no slavic women will ever care about a non-slavic man, they only trust their own kind, and even that is rare.

to me, the bottom line is that all the heart you might think they have, all the caring, is nothing more than sexual passion, beyond that, they will never care about you. any attempt at kindness on our part, or any attempts to treat them well or nicely is a fool's errand. to them, its nothing more than a sign of weakness.

they are genetically tuned for centuries to being treated like peasant servants, and god bless russian guys for not turning soft like western losers.

during the ussr, nobody had any rights or equality, including women. they could be arrested, raped, or executed at any time for no reason at all. you think their instincts for survival have gone 180 degrees in only one generation??????

maybe you can soften them up for the kill to get from introduction to sex, but after that, if you treat them any better than a russian guy would, you are a total and complete fool. they will never care about you. they are all the same, every one. to them its a game to play. honesty is not in their dna.

po glazam tselka, po pizde, blyad!

don't try to say i'm angry, pissed off, or what ever. its no big deal. its simply a fact, no more, no less.

Bez,

What you [b]don't[/b] know about Slavic women could fill a book.

Come to think of it, it already does... :)

[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra] I've come to the conclusion that no slavic women will ever care about a non-slavic man, they only trust their own kind, and even that is rare.... To me, the bottom line is that all the heart you might think they have, all the caring, is nothing more than sexual passion, beyond that, they will never care about you. Any attempt at kindness on our part, or any attempts to treat them well or nicely is a fool's errand. To them, its nothing more than a sign of weakness ...[/QUOTE]
Hey Bez, thanks for your words of warning,
I am now dating a 30ish russian MILF. Actually she is half Russian and half Kazakh. She is divorced and has been living in Germany for 10 years.
For the moment she is extremely kind and passionate, but I can already sense the hard mind when I fail to give news for a few days.
So you position is that I should be prepared to dump her like a Russian slave peasant if she displeases me ?
Regards.
B.B.