Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1813339]I live in the Heavenly Kingdom (lucky me, right!) and have to put up with their distinctly unsocial behavior 24/7/ Its always a joy to get out of the place. So aside frrom talknig loudly which they do on the street, in restaurants what else do they do. Hmm parking on pedestrian crossings is a regular one, driving with mobile phones, spitting everywhere, driving across pedestrian crossings whe the signal indicates its ok for the pedestrian to cross, using the beds in IKEA to physically sleep in, blocking bike paths because they need a break from driving, smoking almost everywhere, talking loud on every train I've ever been on, fighting on planes over overhead baggage space, over seat reclines, you name it they fight and shout and about, making fun if someone is from a different part of China to them, selling fake goods and claiming they are genuine, thinking nothing of adding chemicals to food to make it look better, using "gutter oil ", the list is truly long. And guess what, there are more and more of them travelling more and more!.[/QUOTE]Truthfully, they have ruined traveling in Asia for me. I don't want to go anywhere because there are hordes of them everywhere. Airports are awful; I don't like being coughed on or my ear yelled in, tourist attractions; forget it, and if you are in a hotel with them it is just plain awful. Has to be the worst thing that has happened to travel in decades. And there will be more and more of them.

Add one more item to the list of bad behaviors: letting your friggin' kids run wild at the 4*/5* hotel swimming pool. Some times the kids are so obnoxious and loud that I have to intercede and restore discipline directly on the children. I don't blame the kids, however, its their terrible boorish parents that don't give a shit who are causing the problems. All I can say is thank God for Chlorine. LOL.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1813438]I went back to CH this afternoon and talked with the Mamasan (the skinny one with glasses). She thanked me for reporting this to her, but got kind of aggressive when I asked her for my BF back. She says there was no chance for this as the girls needed to take taxi and came back to CH crying after I refused to giver her any money. But that we were now square and that I was welcome to come to the bar any time.

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In any case I am not convinced that they are really taking this problem seriously so please be careful when going to that bar guys and do check the girls IDs if they look young.

That is all I will say on this issue as I do not want Jackson to ban me. I am just reporting this here to warn fellow mongers.

Stay horny my friends. But also be vigilant!

Uncle-V.[/QUOTE]If the bouncer at Legends could immediately know her age, how could CH management not know? They obviously knew and is part of their business practice, presumably what Syzygies said they hide during police raids. Given that, check her ID before even considering bar fining someone there.

I don't understand why the Legends bouncer told you to leave her there. It would have been better to immediately return her to CH and get your bar fine back then instead of going back the day after. If he thought it would be unwise for you to be in the same cab with her, he should have told you to put her in a cab and tell the driver to bring her to CH, and for you to follow in another cab.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;1813519]If the bouncer at Legends could immediately know her age, how could CH management not know? They obviously knew and is part of their business practice, presumably what Syzygies said they hide during police raids. Given that, check her ID before even considering bar fining someone there.

I don't understand why the Legends bouncer told you to leave her there. It would have been better to immediately return her to CH and get your bar fine back then instead of going back the day after. If he thought it would be unwise for you to be in the same cab with her, he should have told you to put her in a cab and tell the driver to bring her to CH, and for you to follow in another cab.[/QUOTE]No you don't guess what things they hide. However sure certain girls would not be present. One thing hidden is called Yaa Dong. Its a drink given to girls to take away their natural shyness so they can be raunchy.

You aren't getting your barfine back because you made a mistake.

You barfine young girls for ST. The purpose is to take them for a fuck in a ST hotel nearby. That place will not be checking anything. Not to take them to a disco. If unsure, more checking is required or ask the mamsan what is possible and what is not beforehand.

This basic problem with girls has been mentioned plenty of times before. Suzie Wong was closed down for a short time due to various types of violations.

One girl Kaafee told me she liked to go to a disco more than to go for sex. I wasn't interested. You need to know girls rather well before contemplating more than ST fuck in my opinion. Get a bite to eat maybe.

Lets explain a barfine. It enables you to keep the girl with you. She doesn't have to leave you to take a turn at dancing and some other guy cannot immediately steal her away from you. You can then take her outside the bar for other activities. A great fuck is not guaranteed. She could decide she doesn't want to fuck at all. Some girls have asked me to BF them so they don't have to dance or so can just go home. LOL.

There are no BF refunds. At least I never heard of such a thing and it seems very unlikely

If you pay for sex up front as well, then you had better actually get it. I have never paid for sex upfront. Hiwever I am trusted. Has been heard of that bad girls could simply do a runner. However I ask a girl if she wants ST before I pay the barfine. Occasionally I have asked for more than a ST. Not often. Occasionally a girl will mention how much she expects. My regular girls don't as they assume I will give them roughly like last time I suppose.

Hi all,

Just back from a quick trip to BKK. Not much time to spare and having just done AC did not want to do the Soi Cowboy scene. Decided to check out Spasso as I had not been there in some time. Place has not changed but the faces have. Some very well packaged girls that I chatted with and drank with. A little too business like for me so I moved on to Climax Club. Got there about 1 am and the place was packed. A lot of variety and some real gems in there. Spotted a nice one that caught my eye by her sexy dancing. Spent all night and most of the next day with her. A real GFE with DFK and lots of positions. Natural body with no fake tits and a really nice arse for doggy. Great first night get.

Next day had to work and we all fronted up later to a bar called Quincey. Lots of very fine looking girls but far too many expats looking to get a taste. Numbers did not favor a monger. Decided to try Climax again. Got there about 2 am and again the place was packed. Numbers much better for the monger and managed to spot a real stunner who I spent the next two days with. Another GFE with a great natural body and a real performer. Climax was pumping until 5 am close and girls were coming in and out on a regular basis. Great hunting ground for those who like a late night. Only downside is te band can be hit and miss. Still who cares when there are so many girls to get to know! Got to love BKK.

Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1813537]No you don't guess what things they hide. However sure certain girls would not be present. One thing hidden is called Yaa Dong. Its a drink given to girls to take away their natural shyness so they can be raunchy.

You aren't getting your barfine back because you made a mistake.

You barfine young girls for ST. The purpose is to take them for a fuck in a ST hotel nearby. That place will not be checking anything. Not to take them to a disco. If unsure, more checking is required or ask the mamsan what is possible and what is not beforehand.

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Lets explain a barfine. It enables you to keep the girl with you. She doesn't have to leave you to take a turn at dancing and some other guy cannot immediately steal her away from you. You can then take her outside the bar for other activities. A great fuck is not guaranteed. She could decide she doesn't want to fuck at all. Some girls have asked me to BF them so they don't have to dance or so can just go home. LOL.

There are no BF refunds. At least I never heard of such a thing and it seems very unlikely [/QUOTE]Since I don't believe you can possibly be defending CH's illegal practice of employing not of age girls and sending them out to be fucked by customers who expect the club to have performed due diligence on the girls' ages (which, as you said, is why some girls are not there during the scheduled inspection times, and for which Suzie Wong was closed for some time), I don't understand your point. This is not an issue of a guy making a mistake about a girl who was bad in bed, did not want to have sex or was a runner (although I'm pretty sure that not being allowed to stick your dick in her would qualify you for getting your bar fine back. Do you really think that people (other than you perhaps) would continue to bar fine girls from a club if it became known that management would keep the bar fine whether or not the girl provided the service she said she would?

This is an issue of a club potentially ruining a guy's life if he were to get caught having sex with the not of age girl they employed and who, by employing her, implicitly assured the customer that she was of legal age to do what she said she would. They should have recognized that they got caught in their illegal activity, and apologized to him for putting him at such risk and given him his money back, if only to hide their illegal activity.

My next trip to LOS is coming up in three weeks, can hardly wait as usual. Yes, lots of changes in the past 15 years or so, but what hasn't? I don't do well at Climax for whatever reason. I wind up walking around a bit and then hanging out against the wall by the ladies room, not fun. I used to go to Thermae but not not in the past 4-5 years. So how about Scratch Dog? I've never been there and I don't see much referring to it. I'd go for a GFE for a week if I hit it off with someone but a test drive is definitely required for that. Last year I took a lady from Patts for a week after only one LT, won't do that again!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1813537]No you don't guess what things they hide. However sure certain girls would not be present. One thing hidden is called Yaa Dong. Its a drink given to girls to take away their natural shyness so they can be raunchy.[/QUOTE]Hey Syzygies,

Tell us more about this Yaa Dong and what do they call this in medico terms. Is it available easily in all the pharmacies in bkk or around the world?

Does it increase the sex drive of women as Viagra does to men?

Many times when I was in Escape HK those Colombian women used to look at men like they were hungry for sex, you could feel she has lust in her eyes and she wants to fuck you then and there, one of the ladies whom I took form there when we reached the st hotel near escape as it was full and we were supposed to wait for 20-30 minutes was so horny she started making out with me there in there small reception. Stairs, she was continuously saying fuck me I am so horny please fuck me. I never understood then but now reading your post maybe YAA Dong or something like that would be available in Chinese is the answer. As it is said that the Chinese are master of ancient pharma products, once I took an pain relief oil from a Chinese shop in HK for my grandmother joints and she feels so better after using it that many times I have just made the trip to HK just for that oil.

Do enlighten mate I think this is a great find.

Adios, Hope to see you soon in BKK on Christmas or new years. Its been a long awaited trip.

Ciao,

Alex

Frankly, I don't think you should return to this place again. If it was me, I would tell her as much and the reason why in no uncertain terms. Besides being illegal, it just encourages bad customer service by the club. And as for Mama San, she does not get it. She complains to you about the girl crying about not getting paid but does not comment on an under aged girl working there or apologize? This tells me that it is common practice there and potentially dangerous for all punters.

As far as the multitude of hot girls in CH, that may be true, but there are plenty of fish in the sea and if you return, it basically says you don't care that you got screwed.

It sounds like, based on mamasans response, it would not have mattered if you returned right away to complain or the next day. And you might have had many reasons not to return -- distance, lateness of hour, inebriated etc.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1813412]I'm not sure I'm entirely following you and maybe I was not totally clear. In any event, what I'm referring to is at some hotels the WG must leave her id. at the front desk (or concierge) and they are pretty good at knowing who is a WG and who is not (I'm not saying they are perfect at it). So what I was referring to is whether there has been a change at those hotels that hold the girls' ids. In the minimum age the girl has to be to get in the hotel. I thought sometime after the coup the army or their surrogates did impose a higher age requirement, but as I said before my recollection is not crystal clear on this.[/QUOTE]

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You aren't getting your barfine back because you made a mistake.

You barfine young girls for ST. The purpose is to take them for a fuck in a ST hotel nearby. That place will not be checking anything.

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There are no BF refunds. At least I never heard of such a thing and it seems very unlikely

{Snip)[/QUOTE]Not sure what you mean by "That place will not be checking anything" regarding the Short Time hotels but I think most of the times I have used Short Time hotels in or near Soi Cowboy, Nana or Patpong, the girl hands over her ID to the clerk as though she knew it would be expected of her and the clerk takes a good long look at it. I assume he is checking for something. The clerk in the Short Time hotel on the AngelWitch side of Nana Entertainment Plaza just a few weeks ago saw something he didn't like on my girl's ID and said, "Sorry, we cannot". I asked the girl why he wouldn't give us a room and she, a go-go dancer in Nana I have taken to my apartment before but never to a Short Time hotel, only mumbled something incoherent and we moved on. Age? I have no idea. I never would have suspected it.

On the second subject, I have gotten barfines refunded for non-performance several times over the years. From go-go bars in Patpong, Soi Cowboy and Nana. I have done it as far back as 20+ years ago and as recently as this very month. Another fairly recent time was about a year ago in Patpong. You just walk back in with the girl, state your case, hold your ground and wait. And it has never effected my ability to get very good service from girls in that same bar under the same mamasans soon afterwards.

A rant on my overriding point: Gentlemen, we are not beggars. Your standing with the girls is not improved and your service level from them is not raised by promoting that impression or allowing your "good heart" to be confused with "sucker". If there is something you want from a girl, any girl in any venue, but the word is that girls who work in places like such-and-such don't do that, ask anyway. If they say no, walk. If you are ripped off by a girl for whom you have paid a barfine, March yourself and the girl right back into the bar and make it known as calmly, politely yet firmly as possible.

WE are the only true "quality control" elements in this system. The mamasans and papasans don't know dick about what is actually going on between their girls and the customers. This new tendency to just roll over, go with the flow, accept whatever crap service or no service is doled out and be happy about it as a low demand, low expectations customer serves no one well; not the P4 P industry in general, not the bars, not the good girls working the bars, and certainly not you or your fellow customers.

[QUOTE=CompactD;1813668]My next trip to LOS is coming up in three weeks, can hardly wait as usual. Yes, lots of changes in the past 15 years or so, but what hasn't? I don't do well at Climax for whatever reason. I wind up walking around a bit and then hanging out against the wall by the ladies room, not fun. I used to go to Thermae but not not in the past 4-5 years. So how about Scratch Dog? I've never been there and I don't see much referring to it. I'd go for a GFE for a week if I hit it off with someone but a test drive is definitely required for that. Last year I took a lady from Patts for a week after only one LT, won't do that again![/QUOTE]I have seen several inquiries about Scratch Dog recently on the various boards so I will chime in on my one and only limited experience there about a month ago. I went with a girl so I am sure her hanging with me the whole time probably changed the dynamics as far as a place to pick up or get picked up by other ladies. It was dead until about Midnight. Then my girl and I were virtually the first to get our butts off the stools and start dancing. Well, moving and shuffling around more or less in time with the beat of the music. 555. Actually, as the night progressed and until roughly 3:45 AM when we left, we were among the few who ever even tried to dance. And we were still on our feet shuffling around the whole time. I only mention the stuff about dancing because it seemed our table for two became a bit of a magnet for singles and small groups of hot girls to join us, toast every sip, share their ice buckets, dance along with us, etc. Showing some signs of life in an otherwise "too cool" atmosphere is often a magnet for girls looking to have fun.

Anyway, I have to say the place was packed by 2 AM, there were a lot of hot girls there, but they were outnumbered by the guys, the vast majority of whom were Thai, Korean, Japanese, or some other Asians. Most of the girls appeared to be looking to hook up with those Asian guys. Very rare to see a farang such as myself even winding his way through the crowd on his way to the toilet. At least on this particular night about a month ago.

The entrance fee is 400 baht, which buys you two drinks and apparently includes tip. I saw many guys wearing short pants, so that is apparently not a no-no. But I got charged an extra 100 baht at the entrance for wearing sandals instead of full shoes.

As a farang, would I go back there alone or with other guys to hook up with a lady? Maybe. But I didn't see any of the very few unattached farangs in the crowd hooking up with hot ladies and walking out with them. And my date and I were there from before it really got going until almost 4 AM when things appeared to be winding down and couples had paired off and were leaving together.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1813782]A rant on my overriding point: Gentlemen, we are not beggars. Your standing with the girls is not improved and your service level from them is not raised by promoting that impression or allowing your "good heart" to be confused with "sucker". If there is something you want from a girl, any girl in any venue, but the word is that girls who work in places like such-and-such don't do that, ask anyway. If they say no, walk. If you are ripped off by a girl for whom you have paid a barfine, March yourself and the girl right back into the bar and make it known as calmly, politely yet firmly as possible.

WE are the only true "quality control" elements in this system. The mamasans and papasans don't know dick about what is actually going on between their girls and the customers. This new tendency to just roll over, go with the flow, accept whatever crap service or no service is doled out and be happy about it as a low demand, low expectations customer serves no one well; not the P4 P industry in general, not the bars, not the good girls working the bars, and certainly not you or your fellow customers.[/QUOTE]Yes, a hundred times yes. And punters who don't subscribe to this philosophy are doing no one a favor. Service levels have declined because guys accept bad service and do nothing about it. I have never been one to let gals get away with poor service. However, I am never impolite to them, but I am firm; if they don't want to provide agreed upon services then I don't pay the agreed upon price. I know too many guys with the "oh well" attitude.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1813854]Yes, a hundred times yes. And punters who don't subscribe to this philosophy are doing no one a favor. Service levels have declined because guys accept bad service and do nothing about it. I have never been one to let gals get away with poor service. However, I am never impolite to them, but I am firm; if they don't want to provide agreed upon services then I don't pay the agreed upon price. I know too many guys with the "oh well" attitude.[/QUOTE]Your prerogative. However there are limits. If we are a regular customer, we need to be known as a good guy, very fair, and not a trouble maker. Trouble makers become guys that are avoided. However if you have negotiated a price for receiving certain things, then fair enough you should get it. In many cases I have had no negotiation so no price is set. I can then pay what I think was fair for whatever does get delivered.

I don't see any point in complaining if a girl is a starfish. However I agree if there is no sex, then no need to pay for it. Unfortunately the BF is paid and cannot be got back, in a bar. I certainly am not so shy about telling them the girl was no fun, and I would not take her again. It's usually pretty clear which girls we enjoyed, by our attitude to them on sex meeting. Mamasans don't give a shit. They know half the young girls are somewhat clueless anyway. They know the customer is getting ripped off regularly.

On rare occasions, I have liked a girl so much as to give her a 2nd try even when wasn't great the first time. Sometimes such a girl has performed miles better the 2nd time, especially after tequilas to make her forget the inhibitions.

Some girls performed crap as were clearly too tense and scared of the dick, meaning I did not get it off to cum. Some weeks later the girl sees me again and starts acting all raunchy, trying to get me, like she has already forgotten that she was crap for me the first time. So seems like girls remember the guy but don't remember how crap they were on the bed. I find I have to remind girls that we weren't so compatible previously.

I am still nice to girls that tried, but just had a pussy that was too tight or too short. Not every possible couple is a workable one. A regular problem is girl's with pussy stuffed with "luuk gai" , "luuk jiap", or "sponge", during period remnants. It can be detected just 4 inches in, sometimes less, so I always need this to be removed. I cannot fuck girls using these things. I believe they use them in porn movies so that the cock only goes half way in. The director must think it looks better or the cock looks bigger. Bad luck for the guy who has to try to keep his erection with just half insertion. It looks stupid to me too.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1813438]I went back to CH this afternoon and talked with the Mamasan (the skinny one with glasses). She thanked me for reporting this to her, but got kind of aggressive when I asked her for my BF back. She says there was no chance for this as the girls needed to take taxi and came back to CH crying after I refused to giver her any money. But that we were now square and that I was welcome to come to the bar any time......
Uncle-V.[/QUOTE]Good thing that you cut the losses when you did the other night. Smart choice. Thanks for the intel also.

No way they were going to refund the barfine. They would make any excuse to keep that money. (a taxi ride back was probably just 45 baht anyway. So can't see how that equals a barfine). I figured they would say something like the door man made a mistake.

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You aren't getting your barfine back because you made a mistake......

There are no BF refunds. At least I never heard of such a thing and it seems very unlikely .....

[/QUOTE]The guy didn't make a mistake. CH and the girl are in the wrong! The OP thought, quite clearly, that he was barfining a lady of age working in a gogo.

As for getting barfines back, I know a guy who was taking a girl back to her bar because she couldn't perform for some dumb reason. He told her let's go back to your bar. She didn't want to go back as to not be embarrassed. Instead, she went with him to an ATM and she refunded the money. LOL.