The clown says the war will end sooner with the new team. All that suffering and the moron gets it now.
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The clown says the war will end sooner with the new team. All that suffering and the moron gets it now.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2961202]Sorry, but I do not agree with the notion that a bunch of Democrats who provoked Russia and helped start a war that has hurt Ukraine, Russia, and the USA then later drafted statements and agreements means we have to follow them... [/QUOTE]Maybe that agreement is the 1994 Budapest Memorandum? ([URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum[/URL]). Check it out. Signed under Clinton but negociated by the H. W. Bush administration. Britain, France, China and the Russian Federation are also cosigners. All parties agreed to defend the boundaries of Ukraine in exchange for them giving up their (1700+) nuclear weapons. Do you believe Russia would have invaded Ukraine if it still had those nukes?
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2961205]I agree, and I like Pete Hegseth as well. They both have served in the military. What I see from them and what I have seen from every person I know has served in the military in the last ten years is this. The soldiers like the military for the skills they gained, the discipline they learned, have intense love for their fellow soldiers but not one feels like they were serving and protecting our country which is why they signed up.
One soldier summed it up perfectly. He said our supposed enemies were not the nations that were the greatest threat to American citizens, but they were the greatest threat to the USA dollar. Can you imagine that? Risking your life to go to war with a country that is dreaming up an alternative to the dollar? That is not what the military is for. If these fucking pols want a strong dollar, they should embrace sound economic policies not the effing military.[/QUOTE]Once again, Elvis is excising his constitutional right to spew more lies and unmitigated insanity.
1. No one is calling for Americans to fight and risk their lives for Ukraine, least of all the Ukrainians.
2. Any alternative to the US dollar is a pipe dream. No economists worth their salt take BRIC seriously. It's a a loose, want to-be, dysfunctional association with non-convertable currencies, torn by distrust and internal struggles.
Well, at least you're consistent. No one can take it away from you.
[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2961430]Maybe that agreement is the 1994 Budapest Memorandum? ([URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum[/URL]). Check it out. Signed under Clinton but negociated by the H. W. Bush administration. Britain, France, China and the Russian Federation are also cosigners. All parties agreed to defend the boundaries of Ukraine in exchange for them giving up their (1700+) nuclear weapons. Do you believe Russia would have invaded Ukraine if it still had those nukes?[/QUOTE]So you want Ukraine to have nukes now?
[QUOTE=Riina;2961414]The clown says the war will end sooner with the new team. All that suffering and the moron gets it now.[/QUOTE]He knows the money will soon run out so of course that sack of shit will talk like this now. History will judge that clown very harshly.
[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2961430]Maybe that agreement is the 1994 Budapest Memorandum? ([URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum[/URL]). Check it out. Signed under Clinton but negociated by the H. W. Bush administration. Britain, France, China and the Russian Federation are also cosigners. All parties agreed to defend the boundaries of Ukraine in exchange for them giving up their (1700+) nuclear weapons. Do you believe Russia would have invaded Ukraine if it still had those nukes?[/QUOTE]So why didn't they? Is it cause they are cunts that don't give a shit about Ukraine?
Also, those nukes in Ukraine belonged to Russia, the successor to the USSR and hence were returned to the owner.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2961432]Once again, Elvis is excising his constitutional right to spew more lies and unmitigated insanity.
1. No one is calling for Americans to fight and risk their lives for Ukraine, least of all the Ukrainians.
.[/QUOTE]Of course not, there are still Ukrainians to send to the front line to die for nothing. Until the last Ukrainian as Lindsey Graham said.
[QUOTE=BloodRed;2961591]
Also, those nukes in Ukraine belonged to Russia, the successor to the USSR and hence were returned to the owner.[/QUOTE]This is only your private, unfounded opinion. Or the official Russian opinion, you (have to) follow. Which does not reflect historical facts.
Quoting: POST-SOVIET RUSSIA AND UKRAINE:
WHO CAN PUSH THE BUTTON?
By Alexander A. Pikayev, 1994.
Dr. Alexander A. Pikayev is Senior Researcher at the Institute of World Economy and International Relations.
(IMEMO). He is also Research Director of the newly-formed Center for Critical Technologies and Nonproliferation in Moscow.
... In late 1993, the Ukrainians began removing warheads from the Ballistic missiles. The removal, Transportation, and storage were provided by Ukrainian troops. This
became a watershed, which marked the transition of Kiev's command and control into a stage of more autonomous and active operations. For the first time, the Ukrainian troops on their own initiative, physically touched nuclear weapons.
The Budapester Memorandum, 1994, was to exchange the nuclear armament of the UA against safety guarantees and some money for the UA, and to agree to the NPT (Non-Proliferation Treaty of Nuclear Weapons).
Which means, first the UA was f. By Putler, ignoring the Budapest Memorandum, and then UA to be f. By the USA, too, dropping support.
Consequence for all non-atomic countries, that the NPT has only the value of used toilet paper. Non-atomic country has to become atomic, to be protected.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2961202] Ukraine needed to assess the notion that a change of power in the USA would result in this agreement being terminated.
Whatever promises Ukraine was given, the American pols who did so had no justification in putting the interest of Ukrainian citizens over American citizens.[/QUOTE]Wow, I like that. Because it confirms, what lot of foreigners claim for a long time already: You can not trust the USA. You can not even trust written agreements, officially signed by the USA.
[QUOTE=ReinerOtto;2961625]Wow, I like that. Because it confirms, what lot of foreigners claim for a long time already: You can not trust the USA. You can not even trust written agreements, officially signed by the USA.[/QUOTE]That's true.
[QUOTE=BloodRed;2961591]So why didn't they? Is it cause they are cunts that don't give a shit about Ukraine?[/QUOTE]Doesn't it make your Failed Mafia State a very special kind of ****? The **** that invaded the neighbor it swore to defend?
[QUOTE=ReinerOtto;2961616]This is only your private, unfounded opinion. Or the official Russian opinion, you (have to) follow. Which does not reflect historical facts.
Quoting: POST-SOVIET RUSSIA AND UKRAINE:
WHO CAN PUSH THE BUTTON?
By Alexander A. Pikayev, 1994.
Dr. Alexander A. Pikayev is Senior Researcher at the Institute of World Economy and International Relations.
(IMEMO). He is also Research Director of the newly-formed Center for Critical Technologies and Nonproliferation in Moscow.
... In late 1993, the Ukrainians began removing warheads from the Ballistic missiles. The removal, Transportation, and storage were provided by Ukrainian troops. This
became a watershed, which marked the transition of Kiev's command and control into a stage of more autonomous and active operations. For the first time, the Ukrainian troops on their own initiative, physically touched nuclear weapons.
The Budapester Memorandum, 1994, was to exchange the nuclear armament of the UA against safety guarantees and some money for the UA, and to agree to the NPT (Non-Proliferation Treaty of Nuclear Weapons).
Which means, first the UA was f. By Putler, ignoring the Budapest Memorandum, and then UA to be f. By the USA, too, dropping support.
Consequence for all non-atomic countries, that the NPT has only the value of used toilet paper. Non-atomic country has to become atomic, to be protected.[/QUOTE]I don't know what's so hard for you to understand. The nukes belonged to the Soviet Union. They were in places like Belarus, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, etc. Russia was the inheritor to the Soviet Union. That's why all the former Soviet Republics I listed returned those nukes to Russia, as did Ukraine.
[QUOTE=ReinerOtto;2961625]Wow, I like that. Because it confirms, what lot of foreigners claim for a long time already: You can not trust the USA. You can not even trust written agreements, officially signed by the USA.[/QUOTE]That's right. Soon all of you will understand that America aka NATO just used Ukraine to weaken Russia but, in the process, destroyed the country. And that they don't care about that, they sacrificed Ukraine for their proxy war and that is horrific.
[QUOTE=BloodRed;2961918]That's right. Soon all of you will understand that America aka NATO just used Ukraine to weaken Russia but, in the process, destroyed the country. And that they don't care about that, they sacrificed Ukraine for their proxy war and that is horrific.[/QUOTE]This is Russian propaganda, word for word. Ukraine is a sovereign nation with internationally recognized borders. Simply and truthfully, it was invaded by Russia in 2014 in a war of aggression in an act of pure territorial aggrandizement. NATO and the US did not foment this war; if anything, they did not resist it strongly enough in 2014 or 2022. The war would stop immediately if the RF withdrew behind the 1992 border, which they guaranteed by treaty in 1994.
[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2961944]This is Russian propaganda, word for word. Ukraine is a sovereign nation with internationally recognized borders. Simply and truthfully, it was invaded by Russia in 2014 in a war of aggression in an act of pure territorial aggrandizement. NATO and the US did not foment this war; if anything, they did not resist it strongly enough in 2014 or 2022. The war would stop immediately if the RF withdrew behind the 1992 border, which they guaranteed by treaty in 1994.[/QUOTE]You live in gaga land.