Sosua Reports

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1617261]Casa Cayena is very "Happy Hour" friendly. Because of the weather, I was only able to pull off two "Happy Hours. ".

When ever you see two girls walking together during the day or early evening, most will suggests "Happy Hour. " So being lucky is not an issue, choosing wisely is more of a concern.[/QUOTE]You're probably younger than I am, so I imagine you sent them away "happy".

What I meant by getting "lucky" was getting my GF (Sorry Wrxy, I mean my regular, that better?) to finally go for a threesome.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1617052]In Praise of Tetas.

I loved the pics.

They way you shot and handled those tetas, was like some museum curator handling precious objects, showing the proper respect.

Casa Cayenna.

I'm thinking of staying there for the first time, can I assume that It's ok to take in more than one chica there at a time? (not likely, but just in case I get lucky).

Travel.

The cheapest flight from where I am is about $600, then I got the taxi, hotel, food and drink on top of that. For about $750 Nolitours can get me an all in package at the Casa Marina on the beach, which still gives me lots left over for a room in town when I need one. The wristband thing is a drawback. Any advice?[/QUOTE]Unless you have got a second person for your AI room and a heavy discounted rate by your travel agent staying at AI never pays off.

Go with CC. Duos are OK.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1617160]With all do respect. Ty for the pictures and the trip report, but I like your old style of reporting. When you give us a play by play action. [/QUOTE]Yeah I know, I got lazy with my last DR TR. But only because I put a lot of effort in my recent Lima, Peru TR. Here are some of the good thoughts I had in my long stay in Lima:

"The Women:

Because the trip was to focus on Spanish, I contacted several women on Latin American Cupid. The ones I contacted had no English speaking skills. This does take time and a lot of effort. Three of the four women I met online, we had conversations on Skype prior to my arrival. The women were all in their mid-thirty's. Out of the four women I met, three of them ended up in my apartment for rack operations. The woman with the two surprises for me turned out to be way too timid, but she did prove to be a great tour guide.

I did ask for David's help for the first night so I could focus the days thereafter. David's friend arrived on time she was a wonderful girl. She wanted to practice her English, while I butchered Spanish to my best ability. She was pretty, friendly, and quite a bit for fun. I called her a week later. She came by and after playtime, I took her to Tanta for a late dinner. Thank you so much David!

Surprise number one:

Miss Timid told me on Skype that she had a surprise for me on Saturday, and then another on Sunday. Both surprises required me to wake up before noon; dammit! We took a taxi to San Isidro and went to El Cascajal restaurant. It was a large place and the buffet was all the local food that Lima had to offer. The restaurant also had a band and quite a good show to boot.

There were two couples sitting near our table. During the announcements, one of the dudes went on stage and then asked his date to join him on the stage. The dumb bastard dropped to one knee and asked his date to marry him. I wanted to stop him; but I was too late! A tad later, I called over the mesero and told him I wanted to buy the happy couple some drinks. Miss Timid said that maybe the couple might not want the drinks; WRONG! After they received the drinks, they both got up and came to our table for hugs, kisses, and photos.

Surprise number two:

After Miss Timid told me to bring my sunglasses, we took a taxi to San Isidro and then we got out of the cab and started walking; she walked, I just followed. Then, we get into a secret taxi and headed out on some highway. I was told to would be an hour ride. About halfway there, I got curious and asked her where in the hell were we going. She told me that we were going to where she lives. Wait a fucking minute! I remembered she lived with her parents! FUCK ME TO TEARS! My very own meet the parents movie?

We stop and some complex in Chodarayo, entered the security gate, and took yet another private car up the hill to her house. Papa was in the front yard and gave a very nice greeting, and another nice greeting came from Mama in the house. Hell, I had to use every damn Spanish word that I could remember during the multiple conversations. Papa helped! He whipped up a batch of Pisco Sour; which I needed badly! Papa also cooked up my favorite dish, Aji de Gallina; which was excellent! As we were all eating on the front porch, Papa broke out a couple of bottles of wine; I liked that dude!

Later, Miss Timid and I took a bus ride to Chosica. This is where we found another secret taxi to head back to San Isidro. It was apparent that many people flocked to Chosica because the place had sunshine! It being a Sunday night, it seemed the whole country was headed back to Lima. The traffic sucked! It took almost three hours to get back. As I was saying goodbye to Miss Timid, she mentioned she wanted to see me the next weekend. Two days without a hand on my penis; wasn't about to happen again! All that being said, it was still an overall good experience.

La Iglesia:

One of my Cupid dates, we only had e-mail contact and we started texting after I set up my phone. She texted that she wanted to meet in Parque Kennedy. I asked where in the park, and she told me INSIDE the church. Why in the fuck did it have to be INSIDE the church? I thought to myself, hell, I've been to Mogadishu, Kuwait, and Iraq; how much more dangerous can a church be? Just take baby steps!

I got to the church, but the first obstacle were the stairs. I braved up and conquered those bastards. Stepping through the big doors was the next obstacle; I was feeling cocky at this point and walked right on through! FUCK! I'm INSIDE the church and still alive! No explosions, lighting strikes, nothing! There was a service / mass going on and holy water was flying at will.

There was a line of people on my right and they were waiting to take their turn in this funny looking black box. My first thought, "Glory Hole? Hell yeah!" I was about to jump in line until I found out people were confessing their sins in this box. Fuck that! Hell, it would take at least a month for me to confess my sins, and I had a date, so I did not have the time anyhow. My date spotted me and waved. I wanted to yell, "Get the fuck over here before something horrifying happens!" But I didn't. We got the fuck out of there in a hurry!

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1617382]Yeah I know, I got lazy with my last DR TR. But only because I put a lot of effort in my recent Lima, Peru TR.

[/QUOTE]Thank you for a very entertaining read.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1617382]Yeah I know, I got lazy with my last DR TR. But only because I put a lot of effort in my recent Lima, Peru TR. [/QUOTE]I went and read your whole report in the Peru forum, TomJackin. One worthwhile report to read not to speak of your tongue in cheek style, despite Mogadishu, Kuwait and Iraq.

Question, you started with a disclaimer that the photos would be of food there but I did not see any. Would you be posting those somewhere, later? Weird as it sounds in this forum I am interested more in those than photos of boobs, even in your inimitable style.

The other question is, were the twenty somethings unavailable at the online venue you visited or you chose them because you fancy them? Thirty somethings are excellent for their sexual appetite and I am curious given that the DR is so full of 20 somethings.

Thanks

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1616960]First, it is a shame that no one has given Tomjackin the respect he deserves for taking his time to support us with a great report and pictures, that's what this forum should be about. Few guys do what he does.

As far as Wrx2005, I think he does take too much time over-evaluating situations, and he should have more fun while while on vacation. With that said I also think he is good about calling out some of the BS on this forum. He does give detailed and interesting daily reports on his activities while in the DR. They are honest (maybe he does have problems with girls standing him up) and factual (Sure he doesn't like being hustled). But how many guys give you the good and bad nowadays?

What I like about Wrx2005 is that he can match wits with guys who think they are the most intelligent guys on the board who never give trip reports or pictures. We have guys who have never given reports or pictures who have been on this board for ten years but claim to be experts. My life of travel and fun has been an open book, and so has WRX. Oldkool, Oakie and Tomjackin and others have room to vent because they give back.

Look, WRX is right, we have gotten soft and maybe its good that he stirs the pot because we have guys running to the WU every month, guys falling for the first chica that says "hola popi", and guys swear they have a girlfriend because they give her money. Sosua has become hardcore from the chicas to the street hustlers, we need a guy every now and then who can be hardcore from our side. Many Sosua vets have left Sosua because Sosua is a new man's game and the old heads have moved on to better spots. Everyones opinion is accepted here even if its something some don't want to hear.[/QUOTE]For some of us Sosua is still a mongers paradise. There may be other destinations, but for a lot of us, it is cheap, safe, easy and well supplied with talent.

Maybe is is going hardcore on PC (maybe it always was) but there is plenty of opportunity to expand your horizons a little further out of town.

But from what I read here, guys who are spending more than a quick week down there are getting bored with the hardcore sportfucking.

There are many enjoyable alternatives for a good time down there.

Often mentioned are BB, FOD, DC and other dating sites, which I have no interest in, because I have my own satifying alternative, a long term relationship with a semi pro.

Even my biggest critic, your pal Wrxy posted this just a couple days ago.

"Now from a guy that stays down there for several weeks at a time, potentially for months at a time, my interest is leaning more to getting with non pro chicas, that can offer more in terms of character and personality, GFE. ".

And he's the guy that claims I can't have a semi pro GF? Gimme a break!

So I, for one, will continue to extoll the advantages of Sosua to all who will listen, especially newbies like I once was, who didn't know it existed.

(Until I found it here, thanks to you guys).

[QUOTE=Oakie;1617688]So I, for one, will continue to extoll the advantages of Sosua to all who will listen, especially newbies like I once was, who didn't know it existed.[/QUOTE]There are a lot of people who have been singing its requiem ever since I came to this board first time in 2011. As Tomjackin said in his recent report, Sosua is still good. It may not be what it was 10 years back but who cares. If one has some intelligence (reading the buyer bewares on this board for example) and a little money, you can have a great time. Without worrying about the street vendors and the chicas "out to get you". Of course, if one can get beyond "how much" in Spanish, one can even have a great time, this from a guy to goes there now for the food. Haha!

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1617382]Yeah I know, I got lazy with my last DR TR. But only because I put a lot of effort in my recent Lima, Peru TR. Here are some of the good thoughts I had in my long stay in Lima:

"The Women:

Because the trip was to focus on Spanish, I contacted several women on Latin American Cupid. The ones I contacted had no English speaking skills. This does take time and a lot of effort. Three of the four women I met online, we had conversations on Skype prior to my arrival. The women were all in their mid-thirty's. Out of the four women I met, three of them ended up in my apartment for rack operations. The woman with the two surprises for me turned out to be way too timid, but she did prove to be a great tour guide

There was a line of people on my right and they were waiting to take their turn in this funny looking black box. My first thought, "Glory Hole? Hell yeah!" I was about to jump in line until I found out people were confessing their sins in this box. Fuck that! Hell, it would take at least a month for me to confess my sins, and I had a date, so I did not have the time anyhow. My date spotted me and waved. I wanted to yell, "Get the fuck over here before something horrifying happens!" But I didn't. We got the fuck out of there in a hurry![/QUOTE]Now that's what I talking about!

Just wanted to share a cool route for other things to do during the day while staying in Sosua or Cabarete and explore other towns instead of hanging out lazily in your hotel during the day. This was not a mongering activity and was more to try something different and check the transportation systme. This was last month in August 2014 while I was staying in both Cabarete and Sosua. I recommend this for the day only and not at night time because the transportation at night changes completely and the night is a completely different animal in the DR. I took a carrito (shared taxi) or guagua from the avenida principal in Cabarete accross from the big supermarket Janet's at about 9 am. The carrito or guagua can also be taken accross the Texaco gas station locate in Sosua. The carrito goes to the town of Gaspar Hernandez (about 25 Kilometers) and from there another carrito to Rio San Juan (another 27 km). This is super cheap, don't remember, but less than 2 dollars to Gaspar Hernandez and less than 2 to Rio San Juan. If you take a carrito and not a guagua (there is a guagua that goes all the way to Rio San Juan but I did not see any so I took a Carrito), you have to tell the driver to drop you off in Gaspar Hernandez at a stop where you could catch another carrito or Guagua to Rio San Juan. Those guaguas and carritos drive super fast and are filled with people to more than capacity. If you don't like being in a car packed like a sardine, this is not for you. From Gaspar Hernandez, you take another carrito or Guagua towards Rio San Juan. You ask the driver to drop you off at the Laguna Gri Gri stop. I found out that from there you can continue taking more Guaguas or Carritos to go to the big town of Nagua and from Nagua to the town of Samana / las terrenas. But to go directly to Samana / Terrenas is best to go express since there is big express guagua that leaves from sosua and Cabarete at about 630 am and 7 am. I decided to stop at the Laguna Gri gri stop in Rio San Juan and from there, I had to walk five minutes to the gri gri lake. At the laguna gri gri, I noticed some boats that were touring inside the lake for 1-2 hours tours. I saw a boat that was about ready to leave and was full of Asian tourists (I found that some of those Asian people spoke English and the majority were residing in USA, California). In any case, I asked the boat driver how much it was for the boat ride and where was the boat heading to. He said the boat was going around the lake, a bit inside the ocean, for an hour or 2 and making a stops inside la Cueva de golondrinas (a cave with some black birds), la piscina de Bermudez, and Playa Caleton. He said there was great food at Playa Caleton and that was enough to convince me. He tried to give me the gringo treatment and said it was 1000 pesos or 25 dollars. I said thanks but it was too expensive and then I began to walk away then he lowered the price to 500 pesos. I agreed and jumped inside the boat. I found out later that I could have given him 400 pesos instead of the 500 and that should have been fine because I heard his boss asking him how much I paid and he told the boss that I only paid only 400 so that he could get the 100 or $2.5 dollar difference for himself. In any case, it was great boat trip with the bunch of Asian tourist. The stop was made at the Cueva de Golondrinas and then at the Piscina de Bermudez which is just a nice beach that looks like a pool and where the tourists got off to swim. After that the boat made a final stop at the Playa Caleton. Playa Caleton is aa pretty good beach and secluded beach with a bunch of local people swimming and great food. The boat driver told me that I could either return to Rio San Juan / Laguna Grigri in the boat or stay at the beach and return on my own by public transportation. He said I could take a motoconcho back to the guagua station in Caleton and return to Rio San Juan, or go straight to Gaspar Hernandez, Cabarete, Sosua or Puerto Plata. I decided to stay in the beach for 2-3 hours while and enjoyed a terrific massage at the beach and after that a cotorra (parrot) fish with tostones and salad. At about 4 pm, I decided to return because I did not want to be in the middle of nowhere at night time. I took a 5 minutes motoconcho to the guagua station near playa Caleton. From there, the guagua was going straight to Cabarete, Sosua, and Puerto Plata. I was back in Cabarete at about 5 pm, after enjoying the fun trip, great food, and massage, just ready for the evening Chica activities in Cabarete and Sosua.

[QUOTE=Questner;1617310]Unless you have got a second person for your AI room and a heavy discounted rate by your travel agent staying at AI never pays off.
.[/QUOTE]I agree with this totally.

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1618056] Playa Caleton is aa pretty good beach and secluded beach with a bunch of local people swimming and great food.. I was back in Cabarete at about 5 pm, after enjoying the fun trip, great food, and massage, just ready for the evening Chica activities in Cabarete and Sosua.[/QUOTE]I am glad you got the chance to see this place. Most people never will.

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1618056]Just wanted to share a cool route for other things to do during the day while staying in Sosua or Cabarete and explore other towns instead of hanging out lazily in your hotel during the day. This was not a mongering activity and was more to try something different and check the transportation systme. This was last month in August 2014 while I was staying in both Cabarete and Sosua. I recommend this for the day only and not at night time because the transportation at night changes completely and the night is a completely different animal in the DR. I took a carrito (shared taxi) or guagua from the avenida principal in Cabarete accross from the big supermarket Janet's at about 9 am. The carrito or guagua can also be taken accross the Texaco gas station locate in Sosua. The carrito goes to the town of Gaspar Hernandez (about 25 Kilometers) and from there another carrito to Rio San Juan (another 27 km). This is super cheap, don't remember, but less than 2 dollars to Gaspar Hernandez and less than 2 to Rio San Juan. If you take a carrito and not a guagua (there is a guagua that goes all the way to Rio San Juan but I did not see any so I took a Carrito), you have to tell the driver to drop you off in Gaspar Hernandez at a stop where you could catch another carrito or Guagua to Rio San Juan. Those guaguas and carritos drive super fast and are filled with people to more than capacity. If you don't like being in a car packed like a sardine, this is not for you. From Gaspar Hernandez, you take another carrito or Guagua towards Rio San Juan. You ask the driver to drop you off at the Laguna Gri Gri stop. I found out that from there you can continue taking more Guaguas or Carritos to go to the big town of Nagua and from Nagua to the town of Samana / las terrenas. But to go directly to Samana / Terrenas is best to go express since there is big express guagua that leaves from sosua and Cabarete at about 630 am and 7 am. I decided to stop at the Laguna Gri gri stop in Rio San Juan and from there, I had to walk five minutes to the gri gri lake. At the laguna gri gri, I noticed some boats that were touring inside the lake for 1-2 hours tours. I saw a boat that was about ready to leave and was full of Asian tourists (I found that some of those Asian people spoke English and the majority were residing in USA, California). In any case, I asked the boat driver how much it was for the boat ride and where was the boat heading to. He said the boat was going around the lake, a bit inside the ocean, for an hour or 2 and making a stops inside la Cueva de golondrinas (a cave with some black birds), la piscina de Bermudez, and Playa Caleton. He said there was great food at Playa Caleton and that was enough to convince me. He tried to give me the gringo treatment and said it was 1000 pesos or 25 dollars. I said thanks but it was too expensive and then I began to walk away then he lowered the price to 500 pesos. I agreed and jumped inside the boat. I found out later that I could have given him 400 pesos instead of the 500 and that should have been fine because I heard his boss asking him how much I paid and he told the boss that I only paid only 400 so that he could get the 100 or $2.5 dollar difference for himself. In any case, it was great boat trip with the bunch of Asian tourist. The stop was made at the Cueva de Golondrinas and then at the Piscina de Bermudez which is just a nice beach that looks like a pool and where the tourists got off to swim. After that the boat made a final stop at the Playa Caleton. Playa Caleton is aa pretty good beach and secluded beach with a bunch of local people swimming and great food. The boat driver told me that I could either return to Rio San Juan / Laguna Grigri in the boat or stay at the beach and return on my own by public transportation. He said I could take a motoconcho back to the guagua station in Caleton and return to Rio San Juan, or go straight to Gaspar Hernandez, Cabarete, Sosua or Puerto Plata. I decided to stay in the beach for 2-3 hours while and enjoyed a terrific massage at the beach and after that a cotorra (parrot) fish with tostones and salad. At about 4 pm, I decided to return because I did not want to be in the middle of nowhere at night time. I took a 5 minutes motoconcho to the guagua station near playa Caleton. From there, the guagua was going straight to Cabarete, Sosua, and Puerto Plata. I was back in Cabarete at about 5 pm, after enjoying the fun trip, great food, and massage, just ready for the evening Chica activities in Cabarete and Sosua.[/QUOTE]The lagoon in Rio San Juan is beautiful and the small beaches on the other side of it about 500 meters away are literally deserted and void of tourists. Its a nice break from the hustle of Sosua beach as you mention, nice report.

You are right Surfer500. That short trip was a nice break from the Sosua hasle and beautiful lagoon and beaches nearby. But also, you are not yet away from being husled if you are not alert and if you smell or look like a gringo. The guy driving the boat (Captain Marabilla was his name) in Laguna Gri Grid tried to hustle me with the price for the boat ride as he asked for the gringo price of 1000 pesos. I only paid 500 because he saw I was walking away. Still he over charge me 100 pesos (2.5 dollars) as the locals get charged 400 pesos for the boat ride. But that trip was not that bad after all and I highly recommend that boat ride it for a day trip.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1618073]The lagoon in Rio San Juan is beautiful and the small beaches on the other side of it about 500 meters away are literally deserted and void of tourists. Its a nice break from the hustle of Sosua beach as you mention, nice report.[/QUOTE]

According to this article, some politicians are trying to get rid of prostitution in Sosua and Cabarete or to move it to some other location. Good luck with that! I grew up in the DR and lived there till I was 20, then I moved to the USA. That was 25 years ago. Back 25 years ago, and when I was living in Santiago, Sosua was known as the place to go for prostitution. This has grown almost every year (except for this year that they closed a lot of sex massage places and some bars that were also brothels). But still, I don't think they will be able to get rid of prostitution because that sex tourism is already the backbone of that city's economy and prostitution is part of the culture make up of that town. As for ending it in Cabarete, that is also going to be difficult if not impossible:

[URL]http://www.sosuanews.com/mobi.php?id=3815&article=1[/URL]

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1618056]Just wanted to share a cool route for other things to do during the day while staying in Sosua or Cabarete and explore other towns instead of hanging out lazily in your hotel during the day. This was not a mongering activity and was more to try something different and check the transportation systme. This was last month in August 2014 while I was staying in both Cabarete and Sosua. I recommend this for the day only and not at night time because the transportation at night changes completely and the night is a completely different animal in the DR. I took a carrito (shared taxi) or guagua from the avenida principal in Cabarete accross from the big supermarket Janet's at about 9 am. The carrito or guagua can also be taken accross the Texaco gas station locate in Sosua. The carrito goes to the town of Gaspar Hernandez (about 25 Kilometers) and from there another carrito to Rio San Juan (another 27 km). This is super cheap, don't remember, but less than 2 dollars to Gaspar Hernandez and less than 2 to Rio San Juan. If you take a carrito and not a guagua (there is a guagua that goes all the way to Rio San Juan but I did not see any so I took a Carrito), you have to tell the driver to drop you off in Gaspar Hernandez at a stop where you could catch another carrito or Guagua to Rio San Juan. Those guaguas and carritos drive super fast and are filled with people to more than capacity. If you don't like being in a car packed like a sardine, this is not for you. From Gaspar Hernandez, you take another carrito or Guagua towards Rio San Juan. You ask the driver to drop you off at the Laguna Gri Gri stop. I found out that from there you can continue taking more Guaguas or Carritos to go to the big town of Nagua and from Nagua to the town of Samana / las terrenas. But to go directly to Samana / Terrenas is best to go express since there is big express guagua that leaves from sosua and Cabarete at about 630 am and 7 am. I decided to stop at the Laguna Gri gri stop in Rio San Juan and from there, I had to walk five minutes to the gri gri lake. At the laguna gri gri, I noticed some boats that were touring inside the lake for 1-2 hours tours. I saw a boat that was about ready to leave and was full of Asian tourists (I found that some of those Asian people spoke English and the majority were residing in USA, California). In any case, I asked the boat driver how much it was for the boat ride and where was the boat heading to. He said the boat was going around the lake, a bit inside the ocean, for an hour or 2 and making a stops inside la Cueva de golondrinas (a cave with some black birds), la piscina de Bermudez, and Playa Caleton. He said there was great food at Playa Caleton and that was enough to convince me. He tried to give me the gringo treatment and said it was 1000 pesos or 25 dollars. I said thanks but it was too expensive and then I began to walk away then he lowered the price to 500 pesos. I agreed and jumped inside the boat. I found out later that I could have given him 400 pesos instead of the 500 and that should have been fine because I heard his boss asking him how much I paid and he told the boss that I only paid only 400 so that he could get the 100 or $2.5 dollar difference for himself. In any case, it was great boat trip with the bunch of Asian tourist. The stop was made at the Cueva de Golondrinas and then at the Piscina de Bermudez which is just a nice beach that looks like a pool and where the tourists got off to swim. After that the boat made a final stop at the Playa Caleton. Playa Caleton is aa pretty good beach and secluded beach with a bunch of local people swimming and great food. The boat driver told me that I could either return to Rio San Juan / Laguna Grigri in the boat or stay at the beach and return on my own by public transportation. He said I could take a motoconcho back to the guagua station in Caleton and return to Rio San Juan, or go straight to Gaspar Hernandez, Cabarete, Sosua or Puerto Plata. I decided to stay in the beach for 2-3 hours while and enjoyed a terrific massage at the beach and after that a cotorra (parrot) fish with tostones and salad. At about 4 pm, I decided to return because I did not want to be in the middle of nowhere at night time. I took a 5 minutes motoconcho to the guagua station near playa Caleton. From there, the guagua was going straight to Cabarete, Sosua, and Puerto Plata. I was back in Cabarete at about 5 pm, after enjoying the fun trip, great food, and massage, just ready for the evening Chica activities in Cabarete and Sosua.[/QUOTE]After reading your post, I went to Cabarete Reports to read more.

Good info!

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1618140]You are right Surfer500. That short trip was a nice break from the Sosua hasle and beautiful lagoon and beaches nearby. But also, you are not yet away from being husled if you are not alert and if you smell or look like a gringo. The guy driving the boat (Captain Marabilla was his name) in Laguna Gri Grid tried to hustle me with the price for the boat ride as he asked for the gringo price of 1000 pesos. I only paid 500 because he saw I was walking away. Still he over charge me 100 pesos (2.5 dollars) as the locals get charged 400 pesos for the boat ride. But that trip was not that bad after all and I highly recommend that boat ride it for a day trip.[/QUOTE]They gave me a quote of 1,000 pesos as well and I laughed at them and told them good luck.

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1618159]According to this article, some politicians are trying to get rid of prostitution in Sosua and Cabarete or to move it to some other location. Good luck with that! I grew up in the DR and livedthere till I was 20, then I moved to the USA. That was 25 years ago. Back 25 years ago, and when I was living in Santiago, Sosua was known as the place to go for prostitution. This has grown almost every year (except for this year that they closed a lot of sex massage places and some bars that were also brothels). But still, I don't think they will be able to get rid of prostitution because that sex tourism is already the backbone of that city's economy and prostitution is part of the culture make up of that town. As for ending it in Cabarete, that is also going to be difficult if not impossible:

[URL]http://www.sosuanews.com/mobi.php?id=3815&article=1[/URL][/QUOTE]The reality here is that the real estate broker who spoke seems to have the majority of the listings in Sosua and wants the place "cleaned up" so he can sell more property. The real working girl here is him from my perspective.

[quote=surfer500;1618420]they gave me a quote of 1,000 pesos as well and i laughed at them and told them good luck.[/quote]that's the right attitude surfer. don't be intimidated on their turf.

a couple years ago i was at cayo levantado, an island off samana, at an all inclusive hotel for a family re-union. after a few days with no action i asked our breakfast server (married) about the town, bars etc. she said she lives there and would be happy to show me around, presumably with her husband / boyfriend. she gave me her number. so now i had an half assed plan.

but later that day i saw the hotel service boat leaving the hotel dock, on a whim, i asked if i could catch a ride with the changing shift workers. the guy asked the skipper and after a brief conversation, he waved me on. shorts tshirt and sandals and my bank card was all i had, and the phone number.

when we got to the town dock, the taxi drivers were in my face. i waved them off, i said no, i want to walk and a smoke. i took off as though i knew where i was going, and i could see the main area of town would be about 15 minutes away. when i got to the main avenue, i saw two older taxi drivers chatting and they barely looked my way. one looked ok, so i approached him. "bar, musica?" or something like that, my spanish is very limited. he smiled a big smile and i got in. we drove passed the 3 main bars and he stopped. now for the next part of my plan. "cajero automatic, scotiabank?" he points across the street. bingo.

so i go in to this big bar with an open dance floor, some chicas and no gringos. i ask my driver if he wants to come in for a beer. he's all over it and order the super size. he knows the folks there and we are chatting to "his cousin" the barrista chica like it's old home week. chicas are coming up and smiling curious, and i'm in heaven. they get me on the dance floor until i'm pooped, and i ask louis the taxi if there are rooms nearby. i give him $40 dollars and he comes back with change and a key. we leave the bar and go around the corner to see the room. over a store, one flight up. no air, but a fan. looks good so back to the party.

by that time our enterprising taxi has called his real cousin and her daughter, and of course i buy the beer. i ask about his taxi, but he say's he's finished for the day. more beer. this young chica has been eying me since i got in, and had me dancing a couple of times, and i felt comfortable with her, so eventually i asked her to come back to the room. she said si, but indicated she was hungry, so we went next door to the chicken shop and she ordered her plate. adios luis, but he insisted he'd take me back to the dock in the morning. good luck with that one!

well she gave me a good time, and left, then came back to the room around 4 am (wtf?) for more, but she wanted more money, so i said no, and told her i'd see her later.

well, i left the room about 7 am and with a hangover and headed to the dock, 15 minutes away looking for coffee which i couldn't find. a car pulls up, it's luis! there is a god!. he takes me for coffee then takes me to the hotel service boat, and i give him a propina. jump on the boat, and except for a little smiling hassle with security at the hotel dock, i'm sitting with the family for breakfast at 9 am.

so, what did you do last night? my niece asks me.

nothing much, i answer.

my waitress gives me the look. she'd heard about my little trip.

i checked my atm receipts, not much over a hundred bucks for the night.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1618783]That's the right attitude Surfer. Don't be intimidated on their turf.[/QUOTE]Unless it is by a two-bit hooker who wants to up the price on you or call the police after the deed is done.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1618802]Unless it is by a two-bit hooker who wants to up the price on you or call the police after the deed is done.[/QUOTE] Not the first time that's happened to a guy sport fucking two-bit putas in Sosua.

But we live and learn, and move on.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1618783]That's the right attitude Surfer. Don't be intimidated on their turf.

A couple years ago I was at Cayo Levantado, an island off Samana, at an all inclusive hotel for a family re-union. After a few days with no action I asked our breakfast server (married) about the town, bars etc. She said she lives there and would be happy to show me around, presumably with her husband / boyfriend. She gave me her number. So now I had an half assed plan.

[/QUOTE]Thanks for the anecdote. I wish there was more written on Samana I'd love to go next year.

[QUOTE=Camaro1257;1618898]Thanks for the anecdote. I wish there was more written on Samana I'd love to go next year.[/QUOTE]I know you get around Surfer, so I was just endorsing that.

Truth is Mr. Gogo is always telling the guys to broaden their horizons beyond Sosua, and I totally agree with that. I learned a lot from him.

The only difference of opinion I may have with him is that I still believe Sosua is a mongers paradise, especially fot a newbie like I was, who doesn't yet know his way around.

(And doesn't, like Mr E, have a celebrity selfie in his wallet to get him out of a jam with the cops, I had to pay an extra 200 pesos, to make my last rare misjudgement go away).

What's that? About $6 bucks?

[QUOTE=Oakie;1618930]I know you get around Surfer, so I was just endorsing that.

Truth is Mr. Gogo is always telling the guys to broaden their horizons beyond Sosua, and I totally agree with that. I learned a lot from him.

The only difference of opinion I may have with him is that I still believe Sosua is a mongers paradise, especially fot a newbie like I was, who doesn't yet know his way around.

[/QUOTE]Soy Camaro quien es Surfer why Mr. Gogo? LOL!

[QUOTE=Camaro1257;1618937]Soy Camaro quien es Surfer why Mr. Gogo? LOL![/QUOTE]I'm Surfer. Yo soy Surfer!

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1618941]I'm Surfer. Yo soy Surfer![/QUOTE]Por supuesto que son!

Lo siento, pero me estoy haciendo viejo.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1618949]Por supuesto que son!

Lo siento, pero me estoy haciendo viejo.[/QUOTE]Tengo tablas para montar las olas. I have boards to ride the waves. Why soy viejo tambien. And I'm old as well!

Any boots on the ground? Any status updates I'm heading to Sosua in October.

This is my first ever trip report of any sort, but I felt inclined to do this report because I met a lot of fantastic people in Sosua and both wanted to share who they were and give tips to anyone looking to go. This was our first trip to the DR. Apologies for the stream-of-consciousness style of writing.

Let me begin by saying I have traveled around the world alone to many different places and the first thing you need to do is keep your expectations in check. You also need to constantly have your guard up for scams and hustlers. This is a normal thing and it doesn't matter where you are really. With all that said, my friend and I lucked out our entire trip as good people offered to help us all along the way.

A friend and I land in Santiago. We speak zero spanish. Lucky for us we met an awesome girl on our flight from Miami. Having chatted a bit on the plane, when we arrived she offered to take us to the bus station for free. Carib busses are the way to go. I cannot remember the exact cost but it was negligible for the 2 hour trip to Sosua / Cabarete. Maybe 10 dollars.

We stayed in Perla Marina, this is an expat residential community almost exactly in between Sosua and Cabarete, about a 5-10 minute drive each way. We found our condo through AirBnb, please message me for a recommendation. This is a perfect place to stay if you want privacy. The area has two security checkpoints and guests are required to leave their IDs at the gates. Countless armed guards patrol the grounds. If you want to avoid the hustle and bustle of the "city" and prefer peace and quiet. This is the place. You have your own private beach with fantastic views to take the ladies out to if you wish.

[B] Transportation [/B] I have one name for you. Elvis Diaz - 1-829-810-9999.

In the states, I work in the ghetto and have been around many many different types of people. I am always confident in my ability to judge character at face value. This was a good guy. We ended up spending the entire week with him. He took us to 27 waterfalls in Puerta Plata, Monkey Jungle, etc. We met his entire family, went to his house, he found us great cheap dominican places to eat, got us discounts everywhere we went. I highly recommend him. Find a driver you can trust! They are so useful! Chatting with a chick on whatsapp and need a driver to go pick her up and bring her to you for some TLN (all nighter)? Call Elvis, 500 pesos. Trip to Puerta Plata for 27 waterfalls? Call Elvis, 75 USD and he will even do the excursion with you.

The pic with the two guys is Elvis and I. Call Elvis. Trust me. A lot of drivers will scam you or try to get more money out of you, offering you women, deals, etc. Elvis is a stand-up guy. We randomly met some expats who work there and they actually knew him and vouched for him. We met his entire family. Great great guy, I'm really doing this review because guys like him deserve the business.

Tell him "El Chino" sent you, and he will take good care of you.

[B] Now on to Sosua. [/B] We spent an entire week in the DR. I pipelined a handful of women before I came on badoo / tagged, but ended up not messaging any of them while I was there. Why? There are too many damn women! As far as tourists, the "strip" is relatively dead on the weekdays, but pretty packed on the weekends. The women are there all days of the week. With that said, we had both good experience and bad, but definitely more good.

[B] Good experience [/B] Beautiful, beautiful women everywhere. The very first night, Wednesday night, no Spanish, we paid a random driver 1000 pesos to show us around and be a translator. We went to Rumbas and there was probably a 20 to 1 men to women ratio. He scored us two beautiful women for 2,000 pesos. I have a picture of the first one. Chick with white patterned pants on the couch. I spent 2 nights with her. The second night she didn't specify how much, said I could give whatever. I gave her 3 k because well I'm a nice guy. We did a lot of hanging out, listening to music. Total GFE experience both in bed and out.

[B] Bad experience [/B] On a taxi ride back from Sosua one day, there was a girl in the cab (lots of cab sharing there.) My friend small talked with her, she said her father was a cop in NYC but that was an obvious lie. She spoke pretty good English, and my friend negotiated 1 k for a quickie. The taxi dropped us all off. Great looking girl, I don't have a pic.

We're back in our place, I jump on my computer while he does his business. About 10 minutes later, he comes out panicked telling me to hold his money. This chica stopped in the middle of intercourse and demanded more money!! He pleads with her while she refuses to leave. I'm listening to all this while on my computer thinking, WHY the fuck are you pleading with this * After about 2 minutes of listening to my friend beg, He pleads with me to help him out, I had enough. I get up. Look at my friend. Say in a very aggressive manner, "Do you want me to choke this * " I look at her and start looking pretty mean, going off, telling her that she need to get the fuck out of my face and get the fuck out of the house before I make her get out. After about a minute of yelling, she's like ok ok, I'm leaving. She leaves, threatens police action, he gives her 1 k for her troubles. I say fuck you, go on your merry way.

[U] Moral of the story [/U] don't let these bitches run you. You run them. Man the fuck up.

[B] Good experience [/B] The most beautiful woman I saw there. The girl in the blue dress and close up face shot. 1500 for 1 hour. 4 k for TLN. She was worth it. This a girl that could fetch 500-700 in Vegas easy. I have her number, shit I have all of their numbers. Let me know if you need them. Our game-plan after the first day was hang out at Rumbas, gather their numbers, then call them after 12 AM. This is about the time stuff starts dying down, you can call them for their last trick of the night and get a really good deal on TLN. There is also a German Bar next to Classica that rents out rooms for about 400 pesos, if you want to do the quickie while there.

We only had one bad experience the entire time there. Did a lot of outdoor activities and fucked beautiful women at night. DR is a fantastic place. It might not be as packed as it used to be but that is a good thing. Less competition and you can be picky! A lot of these girls probably don't even turn a trick every night.

[B] Tips for the first time traveler [/B]

1. Bring a throwaway phone that can text, buy a Orange Sim there. I paid about 20 USD for a phone and Sim at "Orange. " You will need the phone for various things- calling drivers, meeting up women, chatting with women.

2. Google translate.

3. Elvis Diaz, the best guy in DR, English speaker, will take care of you.

4. Man the fuck up.

5. Be paranoid, hide your stuff.

6. Do not carry a lot of cash, have pants with zips. I withdrew 100 USD a day, and that was plenty for just about everything.

7. Negotiate, it's a buyers market. 1500 for 1 hr, 2 k for TLN if it's after 12.

Let me know if you need more details.

[QUOTE=Iox22;1619621]This is my first ever trip report of any sort, but I felt inclined to do this report because I met a lot of fantastic people in Sosua and both wanted to share who they were and give tips to anyone looking to go. This was our first trip to the DR. Apologies for the stream-of-consciousness style of writing.

Let me begin by saying I have traveled around the world alone to many different places and the first thing you need to do is keep your expectations in check. You also need to constantly have your guard up for scams and hustlers. This is a normal thing and it doesn't matter where you are really. With all that said, my friend and I lucked out our entire trip as good people offered to help us all along the way.

A friend and I land in Santiago. We speak zero spanish. Lucky for us we met an awesome girl on our flight from Miami. Having chatted a bit on the plane, when we arrived she offered to take us to the bus station for free. Carib busses are the way to go. I cannot remember the exact cost but it was negligible for the 2 hour trip to Sosua / Cabarete. Maybe 10 dollars.

We stayed in Perla Marina, this is an expat residential community almost exactly in between Sosua and Cabarete, about a 5-10 minute drive each way. We found our condo through AirBnb, please message me for a recommendation. This is a perfect place to stay if you want privacy. The area has two security checkpoints and guests are required to leave their IDs at the gates. Countless armed guards patrol the grounds. If you want to avoid the hustle and bustle of the "city" and prefer peace and quiet. This is the place. You have your own private beach with fantastic views to take the ladies out to if you wish.

[B] Transportation [/B] I have one name for you. Elvis Diaz - 1-829-810-9999.

In the states, I work in the ghetto and have been around many many different types of people. I am always confident in my ability to judge character at face value. This was a good guy. We ended up spending the entire week with him. He took us to 27 waterfalls in Puerta Plata, Monkey Jungle, etc. We met his entire family, went to his house, he found us great cheap dominican places to eat, got us discounts everywhere we went. I highly recommend him. Find a driver you can trust! They are so useful! Chatting with a chick on whatsapp and need a driver to go pick her up and bring her to you for some TLN (all nighter)? Call Elvis, 500 pesos. Trip to Puerta Plata for 27 waterfalls? Call Elvis, 75 USD and he will even do the excursion with you.

The pic with the two guys is Elvis and I. Call Elvis. Trust me. A lot of drivers will scam you or try to get more money out of you, offering you women, deals, etc. Elvis is a stand-up guy. We randomly met some expats who work there and they actually knew him and vouched for him. We met his entire family. Great great guy, I'm really doing this review because guys like him deserve the business.

Tell him "El Chino" sent you, and he will take good care of you.

[B] Now on to Sosua. [/B] We spent an entire week in the DR. I pipelined a handful of women before I came on badoo / tagged, but ended up not messaging any of them while I was there. Why? There are too many damn women! As far as tourists, the "strip" is relatively dead on the weekdays, but pretty packed on the weekends. The women are there all days of the week. With that said, we had both good experience and bad, but definitely more good.

[B] Good experience [/B] Beautiful, beautiful women everywhere. The very first night, Wednesday night, no Spanish, we paid a random driver 1000 pesos to show us around and be a translator. We went to Rumbas and there was probably a 20 to 1 men to women ratio. He scored us two beautiful women for 2,000 pesos. I have a picture of the first one. Chick with white patterned pants on the couch. I spent 2 nights with her. The second night she didn't specify how much, said I could give whatever. I gave her 3 k because well I'm a nice guy. We did a lot of hanging out, listening to music. Total GFE experience both in bed and out.

[B] Bad experience [/B] On a taxi ride back from Sosua one day, there was a girl in the cab (lots of cab sharing there.) My friend small talked with her, she said her father was a cop in NYC but that was an obvious lie. She spoke pretty good English, and my friend negotiated 1 k for a quickie. The taxi dropped us all off. Great looking girl, I don't have a pic.

We're back in our place, I jump on my computer while he does his business. About 10 minutes later, he comes out panicked telling me to hold his money. This chica stopped in the middle of intercourse and demanded more money!! He pleads with her while she refuses to leave. I'm listening to all this while on my computer thinking, WHY the fuck are you pleading with this * After about 2 minutes of listening to my friend beg, He pleads with me to help him out, I had enough. I get up. Look at my friend. Say in a very aggressive manner, "Do you want me to choke this * " I look at her and start looking pretty mean, going off, telling her that she need to get the fuck out of my face and get the fuck out of the house before I make her get out. After about a minute of yelling, she's like ok ok, I'm leaving. She leaves, threatens police action, he gives her 1 k for her troubles. I say fuck you, go on your merry way.

[U] Moral of the story [/U] don't let these bitches run you. You run them. Man the fuck up.

[B] Good experience [/B] The most beautiful woman I saw there. The girl in the blue dress and close up face shot. 1500 for 1 hour. 4 k for TLN. She was worth it. This a girl that could fetch 500-700 in Vegas easy. I have her number, shit I have all of their numbers. Let me know if you need them. Our game-plan after the first day was hang out at Rumbas, gather their numbers, then call them after 12 AM. This is about the time stuff starts dying down, you can call them for their last trick of the night and get a really good deal on TLN. There is also a German Bar next to Classica that rents out rooms for about 400 pesos, if you want to do the quickie while there.

We only had one bad experience the entire time there. Did a lot of outdoor activities and fucked beautiful women at night. DR is a fantastic place. It might not be as packed as it used to be but that is a good thing. Less competition and you can be picky! A lot of these girls probably don't even turn a trick every night.

[B] Tips for the first time traveler [/B]

1. Bring a throwaway phone that can text, buy a Orange Sim there. I paid about 20 USD for a phone and Sim at "Orange. " You will need the phone for various things- calling drivers, meeting up women, chatting with women.

2. Google translate.

3. Elvis Diaz, the best guy in DR, English speaker, will take care of you.

4. Man the fuck up.

5. Be paranoid, hide your stuff.

6. Do not carry a lot of cash, have pants with zips. I withdrew 100 USD a day, and that was plenty for just about everything.

7. Negotiate, it's a buyers market. 1500 for 1 hr, 2 k for TLN if it's after 12.

Let me know if you need more details.[/QUOTE]Glad you popped your cherry! The chicas look nice. You paid 5000 peso for a chica for 2 nights. That's ok. You first paid 2000 then 3000 next day. She would have been happy with 1500 on a repeat. That's why she left it open. You rewarded her well because of performance. Good for both of you.

[QUOTE=Iox22;1619621]This is my first ever trip report of any sort, but I felt inclined to do this report because I met a lot of fantastic people in Sosua and both wanted to share who they were and give tips to anyone looking to go. This was our first trip to the DR. Apologies for the stream-of-consciousness style of writing.

.[/QUOTE]Your obviously are a seasoned traveler and it's refreshing to read such a nice report about your experience in Sosua.

[QUOTE=Iox22;1619621]This is my first ever trip report of any sort, but I felt inclined to do this report because I met a lot of fantastic people in Sosua and both wanted to share who they were and give tips to anyone looking to go. This was our first trip to the DR. Apologies for the stream-of-consciousness style of writing.
[/QUOTE]It is refreshing to see a TR in the "Sousa Reports" section.

Thank you for taking the time and writing a great TR!

When in the DR and you are driving be careful for the moto's. When you see a bunch of them parked together they will always be 1 with his front tire out past the other ones so a unsuspecting tourist will hit their tire and will have to pay them. Also when getting in your car to leave always check all the way around the car before pulling off or you might just hit something or someone you did not know was there.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1616688]

[/QUOTE]I made a statement a while back about two stepping and until you replied about you and your friends doing that growing up I did not really know what it was. I did not mean any disrespect for your generation it was said out of ignorance to what two stepping really was.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1616960]First, it is a shame that no one has given Tomjackin the respect he deserves for taking his time to support us with a great report and pictures, that's what this forum should be about. Few guys do what he does.

As far as Wrx2005, I think he does take too much time over-evaluating situations, and he should have more fun while while on vacation. With that said I also think he is good about calling out some of the BS on this forum. He does give detailed and interesting daily reports on his activities while in the DR. They are honest (maybe he does have problems with girls standing him up) and factual (Sure he doesn't like being hustled). But how many guys give you the good and bad nowadays?

What I like about Wrx2005 is that he can match wits with guys who think they are the most intelligent guys on the board who never give trip reports or pictures. We have guys who have never given reports or pictures who have been on this board for ten years but claim to be experts. My life of travel and fun has been an open book, and so has WRX. Oldkool, Oakie and Tomjackin and others have room to vent because they give back.

Look, WRX is right, we have gotten soft and maybe its good that he stirs the pot because we have guys running to the WU every month, guys falling for the first chica that says "hola popi", and guys swear they have a girlfriend because they give her money. Sosua has become hardcore from the chicas to the street hustlers, we need a guy every now and then who can be hardcore from our side. Many Sosua vets have left Sosua because Sosua is a new man's game and the old heads have moved on to better spots. Everyones opinion is accepted here even if its something some don't want to hear.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your take. Mr G. Let me also add: A while back, I have tried to advise a few individuals to stop judging people strictly by message board posts alone. Because you will never know a persons true essence this way.

It is one of the reasons I have used the phrase that I can only think in one head. What that means is, whatever you perceive of anyone on this board, your contrived opinion is born from the picture you painted of that person, not reality. I have explained this so many times, and yet enough individuals fail to get it.

You were definitely on the right track when you mentioned on the positive, but I must say, will eventually fall short when it comes to assuming I take too much time analysing things, where from my perspective I consider myself a deep thinker, and a contributor who feels sharing what many others guys experience is useful and helpful. I never intended for anybody to take my style and twist it into "he has a problem with women" or "he doesn't enjoy himself, or his vacations because all he does is over analyze.

Imagine that? All of these conclusions and perceptions based on message board posts? Me, deep down I know better than to act like I really know how any of the guys here is as a person as an individual. But too many here are too absorbed in this forum, that they have taken what they see in words on a screen and developed a feeling and opinion of individuals. And cant seem to let go, or realize how ridiculous doing that is.

And recently, Surfer500 is claiming I'm making an ass of myself. Which is an example of the type of ignorance I'm talking about. Like I said before, this forum had turned into a little boys club. I mean guys oblivious to how deeply absorbed they are in judging individuals by words and posts.

But check this out. Things work out in mysterious ways. This very evening, I met OldKool in Rockys. He was sitting there talking to a friend of mine. In I walk, we introduce ourselves, and instantly have a pleasant conversation. Most of what we were talking about we were in accord, and shared similar experiences. Understood each others POV. Listening to OldKool, I heard things he said which reminded me of things he said in this forum. So I asked a few questions, and all of his answers confirmed this was Old Kool. We all talked, laughed and smiled, getting along the way many of the guys I meet do. No fucking different.

We kept talking and interacting. No issues whatsoever. Finally when he was about to leave so he could prepare for going out later, I asked him to sit down a few minutes more. I told him right there that we should stop getting on each other and see we don't have issues with each other. Old Kool knew almost instantly and said my handle "WRX?" I said yes that's me. From my perspective his reaction was, you seem like a cool guy. He didn't rattle off a bunch of insults or unsubstantiated assumptions which has been the norm here.

And now new commentary suggesting someone they have never met is making an ass of himself on a message board forum. Another example of an individual taking this forum a little to seriously, and trying to judge someone. Someone who doesn't seem to understand some people just have a different way of writing or expressing themselves. Or tend to enjoy focusing on certain things for a reason. Surely not for the purpose of being misjudged and vilified. Gentleman, I am no educator, but someone needs to draw the line on all of this stupidity, including my contribution for allowing myself to get caught up retaliating and against what? Words on a computer screen?

So all of you may think it's cool to be stuck on stupid imagining you think you know a persons character in this forum, or how they spend their vacations, that some dude is miserable and always complaining, let this be a brotherly wake up call to stop the ignorance today.

As of my usual contribution. If and when I have something interesting to report, I will offer up some input when I am inclined. If my input is appreciated by the esotoric few, then so be it. But to conclude, I thought Old Kool was a cool dude as well.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1620181]Imagine that? All of these conclusions and perceptions based on message board posts? Me, deep down I know better than to act like I really know how any of the guys here is as a person as an individual. But too many here are too absorbed in this forum, that they have taken what they see in words on a screen and developed a feeling and opinion of individuals. And cant seem to let go, or realize how ridiculous doing that is.[/QUOTE]I have noticed that this same type of behavior holds for women on dating sites. That is why I don't put much into a profile. I'm like get to know me instead of judging me by a profile or a couple of emails that I have written to you. I can write anything on here that I think you want to read.

At Rockys, me, my buddy, OK and his chica were sitting at the same table. Were all talking, except for his chica. For the most part she was quiet. She responded mainly to OK when he stopped talking to us to turn his attention briefly to her. But she was not part of our conversation, and IMO did not appear to be sociable.

Apparently what I didn't know is OK had ordered some food. The chica was waiting for the food. The food eventually came. Her and OK started to dig in but he also was still engaging me and my buddy with conversation. Us talking sort of distracted OK, my buddy and myself from observing two hardcore chicas I know from the scene come into Rockys, go over to OK's chica, speak briefly and suddenly start reaching towards their plate and helping themselves.

Ok stopped talking briefly and realized what was happening. Because the chicas was going for the chicken pieces, to which there wasnt much since he was sharing the plate with his chica / date. Ok let them know, in a easy going manner that you just can't come in here and eat up all my food. One of the two chicas didn't get her hands on any of the chicken, but she gave him an earful, about how it was only chicken. She used the nen word, claiming he was an American nen word, and how she can cook the same thing blah blah blah. Ok took it all in stride, as both chicas walked out of Rockys. I would have acted the same way. Not get upset, just stop them from getting to my food. And I would have had to take the same abusive language that OK took. So what would make OK any different than anybody else in terms of how he got treated by some ingrate chica? No different.

After that one of us asked if his chica knew those women. I think she denied it at 1st, but it was obvious she either knew them, or was merely doing what some chicas do. Take advantage of a monger who is wining and dining a chica. And try to allow other chicas to eat or drink off of that mongers dime.

An interesting perspective.

If I were to judge OK strictly by his participation on these boards. I would say he was probably a very thoughtful person, and may go out on a limb to help a chica. Especially since he described in the past how poor many of these chicas are, and even mentioned that during the time we were together. And yet, those two barracudas did not get any more of that chicken from his plate. Nor did he offer to buy them their own plate since they must have been hungry. Why not buy them their own chicken? They fit the profile of poor low earning chicas right? Well they didn't get their own plate. They were allowed to leave angry and disappointed that they didn't get more.

From a posting perspective, incidents like this if it had happened to me, I would report them here as a way of exposing or reinforcing to guys certain traps or chica behavior to watch out for. Not too many guys here post like that or that type of information. I would consider myself in the game long enough. And surely I dont have to share anything. Especially for the ridicule and scorn that usually follows from a select few.

However, in typical fashion, I know for a fact, my doing so could be construed as WRX being subject to another scam by a chica. Let the church say AMEN! However, what I observed happen to OK would probably never be reported because details like that are not really important to him to share here. Just a typical day in Sosua. But when I do it, to some it is an eyesore. A character flaw. A waste of time. Some error in judgement. Something I did to provoke chicas to come buzzing around me. I hope you are paying attention OAKIE, Mr Temp (sp)?

But my point here is, everyone here has had something happen to them that could be considered a scam, an attempted scam or some slick move some chica tried to pull, or use an opportunity to take advantage. When these things happen that doesn't mean you are fucked up because some chica did it. OK may never feel the need or desire to report that simple incident. I would, because I find chica behavior interesting and worth mentioning. The chica that OK was with, once done eating she was ghost. So I suppose she wasnt really interested in being there any longer, except for the fact he had invited her to eat after they just had their session at his place.

Me personally, I am 40/60 when it comes to feeding chicas I just met AFTER a session. Once the session is done, I pay them and then they leave. I don't usually have a reason to take them out to eat, only for them to leave the moment their belly is full. I figure, she just got paid she can get her own meal somewhere, and probably spend a lot less.

My interest in offering perspectives on what I observe is basically this. I am a detail oriented individual. I pay attention. And I ASK FOR FEEDBACK and clarity before assuming unsubstantiated shit. A practice sorely lacking in this forum Thats why I was able to know that I was talking to OK, even though he didn't really know who he was talking to, until I revealed it to him. I'm sure he observed that I was asking him a few questions of him. I was learning who I was talking to. Again a practice here that is sorely lacking. But I am also an individual who has the MONGERS interest and welfare first and foremost as my concern.

I feel in the states or elsewhere in the world, MEN do not have enough support for their interests, concerns and motivations. And I have always been concerned for men that got railroaded, or abused by any system or social custom. Imagine that? And I have never been married, divorced and never personally been subject to going to court for child support. But I do feel for men and mens concerns, 1st and foremost. More so than worrying about women, and especially P4 P women.

Women every where yo go, have much of the support at their disposal. If they arent getting it from their families, they are getting it from individuals that will sell men down the tubes in a heartbeat just to get a whiff of some womans pussy. And that is mainly why my focus here and life in general, leans more towards supporting men, and the mongers perspective. Now if anyone was interested anything positive about chicas, women or things I enjoy about women,my vacations, my advice.....and anything I offered to help, that can be discussed too. Or one can just see it in my reports where I share the good times I had. But of course that hasnt got much bandwith here. Because some need reporting to be done a certain way in order for it to be acceptable to them.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1620276]I have noticed that this same type of behavior holds for women on dating sites. That is why I don't put much into a profile. I'm like get to know me instead of judging me by a profile or a couple of emails that I have written to you. I can write anything on here that I think you want to read.[/QUOTE]Excellent point Mr E. I also feel with dating websites, especially in the states, women get caught up in discriminating potential candidates because of superficial critierior. Like a woman will have an age preference that may eliminate a large section of her eligible dating pool just because she thinks a guy 10 to 12 yrs older is too old. But in reality, if she had the opportunity to interact with certain older men she would find that a 10 -12 yr age difference may not be as strong a requirement as they assumed.

For the most part even the most educated and intelligent individuals can be caught up in online buffoonery.

I spent one day in Sosua that felt like three days in any other place. I spent my week in SD mostly chilling. I had a great time but I needed some sport fucking before I went home. This is not for the weak. My sexy young thing needed to get home early so we were both up at 6 am on Friday morning. I pack my bags and head for Sosua on the 8 am bus. I get a couple of hours sleep on the bus and arrive at 12;30 at Rockies. I book one night at Sosua suites $65. The Suites are in a awesome location. After putting the bags away I hit the beach. I was surprised there was very little action on the beach. There were plenty of Haitian girls roaming the beach but not the more attractive ones. The strip was attracting babes much earlier then I have seen in the past. I met some guys sitting across from Rumbas at 2:30 pm. The talent was very good. The toughest thing about Sosua is being patient. My first day in Sosua is always stressful. How do I say no 20 to attractive women wanting to ride your dick for 30 bucks. I meet a mid 20's chica from SD. She said she had been in Sosua for 3 days and had not done much. Something about her worked for me so I invited her up to the room. She was concerned that I might want to video tape our session with a hidden camera. I have never done this but have given it thought. After I assured her that I was not in the movie business she began to give me the best blow in my 50 plus years. The bad news was this happened at about 5 pm. I am not sure there will be any juice at the end of the night.

The incident WRX mentions was a fly on a elephants ass to me. I was in Ricks to get some Ribs which they did not have. The young lady who wanted to eat my bird was an over the hill hooker gone to seed. 15 minutes after talking a little shit to me she almost came to blows with another street puta. She saw a chance get some free food and went for it. The young lady who I shared my meal with was very sweet to me. She offered me another session for 1000 pesos. In truth I figured there was no way she could match the blow job. If I was in SD I would have kept her around a bit longer. It had been a long day. I did a all nighter on Thurday with a sweet non pro who at the end of the day wanted to be paid like a pro. I am running on nervous energy. Sosua gives me all the motivation I need to keep going. I hit Rumbas at 7 pm. There are about 50 young ladies almost all are attractive in some way. Since I had just had a world class blow job I was just window shopping.

I go back to my room to rest my eyes around 9 pm. When my eyes open it is 1;30 am. I am like shit run to Classicos. Classicos closes at 3 am so I am good. 1:30 the place is packed. I could not move on the dance floor. Scores of attractive women. There were quite a few guys posing as gangsters. I don't care for this style but to each his own. Here I am in Classicos looking for my last session. I wanted something young and slim. I found her pretty fast. We get back to the room. She takes her clothes off and there are some battle scares on the body. She was young but had a lot of mileage. We get right down to business. We share an exotic smoke and she is very compliant. We played with my vibrater and she is loving it. She was not the sweet young thing I thought I was getting. She was a nasty pro and just what I needed to get my rocks off. She gave a great effort and got me off. I was not sure there was any more leche. She asked for the vibrater and because I was leaving was happy to oblige.

I ran into my first Sosua girl who I also used a toy on. She said she was 19 at time (I am not sure I think she is still 19) She still remembered me and the session. Two years on the strip does things to these girls. The seasoned pros have seen it all and do not play games. They have been lied to, abused and disrespected if you are dealing with one do not expect hearts and flowers.

Final observations. I saw scores if Haitian girls on the strip and it was sad. They are competing with DR girls and not winning enough. Sosua is still the bomb. One day in Sosua is like 3 days any where else.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1620547]
Sosua is still the bomb. One day in Sosua is like 3 days any where else.[/QUOTE]Good trip report OldKool. I enjoyed reading it.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1620547]How do I say no 20 to attractive women wanting to ride your dick for 30 bucks.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you need a wing man, Old Kool, or maybe several. I volunteer. I'll be there in January.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1620702]Good trip report OldKool. I enjoyed reading it.[/QUOTE]I too enjoyed your report! Clearly you are a man of means, and didn't mind sharing a meal with a young lady of lesser means. I like the way you roll.

RR.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1620547]

The incident WRX mentions was a fly on a elephants ass to me.[/QUOTE]OK Kool good report. Now tell us more what's your take on the non-pros and pros during your trip.

Would you say going the non-pro date route was worth the time you gave it preparing for your trip.

Your philosophy was stick to the semi and pro. Yet you scheduled a lot of non pros. Was this change up stra8.

I want to hear about the non-pro trying to get paid like a pro.

With recent reports of Armando being deported, I wonder how places like Clasicos, Merengue Bar, Victoria House and Platinum Gym will be affected.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1620766]With recent reports of Armando being deported, I wonder how places like Clasicos, Merengue Bar, Victoria House and Platinum Gym will be affected.[/QUOTE]Here is a report of Armando's detention. His wife also appeared on television defending him. Reportedly he flew back to Italy this morning, either voluntarily with an agreement never to return, or deported.

[URL]http://detrasdelrumor.com.do/index.php/2012-08-08-22-36-42/regionales/5009-arrestan-en-el-palacio-de-justicia-de-puerto-plata-al-empresario-armando-casciati[/URL]

Just returned to Sosua from my last trip in March some things changed as everyone know D' Latins is closed and it's just Rumbas and Classicos, that's if you want to be in the middle of the action. I always read here that the chicas want crazy amount of money. Maybe it's me and my good luck but either I get the name your price type of girls or the baby when you leave (because I going to rack up your pussy tab) kinda girls. So I always hit them with the 1,500, I feel that's fair. What I find is strange is that they always want to spend the night. No all the time but most. I suppose I'm not a hit it and quit it type. I must admit my boy say I cup cake with these chicas. I think of it more as selling a pipe dream. Now my little time of talking. Well my Spanish is worth a damn, but good enough to close the deal. That little bit of showing an interest goes a long way. Almost free pussy. Well not completely free but damn near. I definitely believe it's not because of my good looks. But that I treat them like I'm going to take the away and get them a Visa. My boy laughs at me. But I'm on day 3 and I haven't spent more than $200, and I change chicas like I change socks. The challenge is not getting seen by other chicas. Then I'm sure the pussy tax will kick in.

OK things to have being that I'm a newbie myself. $1000 usc of play around money. A $20 throw away cell phone you can get at claro or orange. That little shit comes in handy. Always change money in the street you get the best rate. The rate is $43.60RD and I got it for $42.70 which isn't that bad.

It's only my 3rd day I'm sure I have a lot to report especially when my other boy arrives 2 morrow. It's his 1st time and he will lose his mind.

If any of you Vets are on the ground and want to guide a newbie in the right direction hit me up, Sousa does get a little old after day 3. I'm ready to branch out and hit up another city. Well I'm not that bold yet.

Until next time. More to come.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1620766]With recent reports of Armando being deported, I wonder how places like Clasicos, Merengue Bar, Victoria House and Platinum Gym will be affected.[/QUOTE]Could somebody tell me and keep in touch on what is really going on in Sosua. I would like to know what bars are open and what the scene this W / E was really like. I am going there next month and would like as much info as I can get. I know this deportation is not good, but I would like to know what are the effects on PC.

I have a strong taste for GFE. I do not dtty hard core putas. Having some one who is like a date and fucks your brains out is the best of both worlds. I enjoy the for play of meeting prepping a non pro but there are issues. I deal with girls who understand I am not looking for a wife. The little sister was all about giving me her body but when done she wanted cash for her bills. I gave her some gifts and was prepared to give her some cash but she wanted more. I wanted to give her 4 k pesos and she wanted 6 k. We settled on 5 k. She was a pleasure to be with but her persistence for more money left a bad taste in my mouth. In retrospect I could have done with out the non pros. Semi pros can be great G FE when made to feel comfortable. Sosua has some girls who are very fresh. The Rumba girls were often new to Sosua. To answer your question I think less time on the non pros and more selective sport fucking is the answer. What I mean by that is there are fresh girls who come to Sosua every week. Taking the time to talk to them can pay dividends. The lady I shared my meal with was pleasant to be around as I travel alone. She was not a bad looking lady but in Sosua there so many lookers women we go crazy for at home we ignored in Sosua. She was willing to spend the night for 1000 pesos but I was in beast mode and could not make time for her. I paid her 1500 for our earlier session. Most girls open at 2000 pesos but seem very happy for 1500. Even in Sosua when you find a winner keep her a while it can get better. I was there one day and could not be as patient as I would like. The weekend in Sosua is just crazy. I was overwhelmed with the number of girls on the street. I csn not wait to go back.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1620754]OK Kool good report. Now tell us more what's your take on the non-pros and pros during your trip.

Would you say going the non-pro date route was worth the time you gave it preparing for your trip.

Your philosophy was stick to the semi and pro. Yet you scheduled a lot of non pros. Was this change up stra8.

I want to hear about the non-pro trying to get paid like a pro.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1620766]With recent reports of Armando being deported, I wonder how places like Clasicos, Merengue Bar, Victoria House and Platinum Gym will be affected.[/QUOTE]That's big news. Armando was a force on the north coast. He owns hotels, pharmacies. Night clubs Etc. Wow!

[QUOTE=OldKool;1620547]I spent one day in Sosua that felt like three days in any other place. I spent my week in SD mostly
chilling. I had a great time but I needed some sport fucking before I went home. This is not for the weak. My sexy young thing needed to get home early so we were both up at 6 am on Friday morning. I pack my bags and head for Sosua on the 8 am bus. I get a couple of hours sleep on the bus and arrive at 12;30 at Rockies. I book one night at Sosua suites $65. The Suites are in a awesome location. After putting the bags away I hit the beach. I was surprised there was very little action on the beach. There were plenty of Haitian girls roaming the beach but not the more attractive ones. The strip was attracting babes much earlier then I have seen in the past. I met some guys sitting across from Rumbas at 2:30 pm. The talent was very good. The toughest thing about Sosua is being patient. My first day in Sosua is always stressful. How do I say no 20 to attractive women wanting to ride your dick for 30 bucks. I meet a mid 20's chica from SD. She said she had been in Sosua for 3 days and had not done much. Something about her worked for me so I invited her up to the room. She was concerned that I might want to video tape our session with a hidden camera. I have never done this but have given it thought. After I assured her that I was not in the movie business she began to give me the best blow in my 50 plus years. The bad news was this happened at about 5 pm. I am not sure there will be any juice at the end of the




Final observations. I saw scores if Haitian girls on the strip and it was sad. They are competing with DR girls and not winning enough. Sosua is still the bomb. One day in Sosua is like 3 days any where else.[/QUOTE]I keep missing oldkool and grown man by days! Been here 24 hours and have a few more days to go. I'll post a more detailed TR later, sucks typing on a phone. You can definitely tell that things have changed, though. From the gaping hole of activity that was once the'latins, to the live band playing music down in front of the "restaurant row" end of PC with the restaurant tables out in the middle of the street. Chica activity is different too. Details in the next post on my laptop.

[QUOTE=KaneMyers718;1620777]Just returned to Sosua from my last trip in March some things changed as everyone know D' Latins is closed and it's just Rumbas and Classicos, that's if you want to be in the middle of the action. I always read here that the chicas want crazy amount of money. Maybe it's me and my good luck but either I get the name your price type of girls or the baby when you leave (because I going to rack up your pussy tab) kinda girls. So I always hit them with the 1,500, I feel that's fair. What I find is strange is that they always want to spend the night. No all the time but most. I suppose I'm not a hit it and quit it type. I must admit my boy say I cup cake with these chicas. I think of it more as selling a pipe dream. Now my little time of talking. Well my Spanish is worth a damn, but good enough to close the deal. That little bit of showing an interest goes a long way. Almost free pussy. Well not completely free but damn near. I definitely believe it's not because of my good looks. But that I treat them like I'm going to take the away and get them a Visa. My boy laughs at me. But I'm on day 3 and I haven't spent more than $200, and I change chicas like I change socks. The challenge is not getting seen by other chicas. Then I'm sure the pussy tax will kick in.

OK things to have being that I'm a newbie myself. $1000 usc of play around money. A $20 throw away cell phone you can get at claro or orange. That little shit comes in handy. Always change money in the street you get the best rate. The rate is $43.60RD and I got it for $42.70 which isn't that bad.

It's only my 3rd day I'm sure I have a lot to report especially when my other boy arrives 2 morrow. It's his 1st time and he will lose his mind.

If any of you Vets are on the ground and want to guide a newbie in the right direction hit me up, Sousa does get a little old after day 3. I'm ready to branch out and hit up another city. Well I'm not that bold yet.

Until next time. More to come.[/QUOTE]Its your new face good vibe KM that makes the chicas want to ride with you. Don't fool yourself playboy you are in Sosua. Those chicas know you are there to buy quick pussy. Don't worry about running into the chica from last night. Believe me she knows the game when she sees you just be cool. Because you have a cup cake Daddy vibe; the chicas like it and its make the business transaction and time more in your favor.

The leave Sosua call won't hit you until you get some knots in your belt and some balls! LOL Sound like your are about ready to grab them. I can't wait to hear your report.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1620814]I have a strong taste for GFE. I do not dtty hard core putas. Having some one who is like a date and fucks your brains out is the best of both worlds. I enjoy the for play of meeting prepping a non pro but there are issues. I deal with girls who understand I am not looking for a wife. The little sister was all about giving me her body but when done she wanted cash for her bills. I gave her some gifts and was prepared to give her some cash but she wanted more. I wanted to give her 4 k pesos and she wanted 6 k. We settled on 5 k. She was a pleasure to be with but her persistence for more money left a bad taste in my mouth. In retrospect I could have done with out the non pros. Semi pros can be great G FE when made to feel comfortable. Sosua has some girls who are very fresh. The Rumba girls were often new to Sosua. To answer your question I think less time on the non pros and more selective sport fucking is the answer. What I mean by that is there are fresh girls who come to Sosua every week. Taking the time to talk to them can pay dividends. The lady I shared my meal with was pleasant to be around as I travel alone. She was not a bad looking lady but in Sosua there so many lookers women we go crazy for at home we ignored in Sosua. She was willing to spend the night for 1000 pesos but I was in beast mode and could not make time for her. I paid her 1500 for our earlier session. Most girls open at 2000 pesos but seem very happy for 1500. Even in Sosua when you find a winner keep her a while it can get better. I was there one day and could not be as patient as I would like. The weekend in Sosua is just crazy. I was overwhelmed with the number of girls on the street. I csn not wait to go back.[/QUOTE]GTFOH. She wanted $150 after you gave here gifts. Was this for 1 day? SHitttttt! And I thought Surfer spoiled his non pros. She want super wages. I agree with you about the non pros. Newbies unless the have time on your hands to invest and / or allot of money; leave the non pro route alone on a short vacation. $125 is 5 chicas and 4 elpresidentes para mi.

I'll ask again since nobody seems to care about the single most important issue in this section? After the recent news listed below, what's the action been like on PC this W / E. Is there anyone who is there who can answer this?

She did give all she had and it was a whole day. I did not buy the gift specifically for her. It was my last night and a couple of the others did not show. Still it was a lot of money but the quality was excellent. The kissing and passion can not be matched with pros. I think I am moving on from her. Short time vacations requires a different approach. Non pros take time and sometimes more money.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1620879]GTFOH. She wanted $150 after you gave here gifts. Was this for 1 day? SHitttttt! And I thought Surfer spoiled his non pros. She want super wages. I agree with you about the non pros. Newbies unless the have time on your hands to invest and / or allot of money; leave the non pro route alone on a short vacation. $125 is 5 chicas and 4 elpresidentes para mi.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bimmy5;1620898]I'll ask again since nobody seems to care about the single most important issue in this section? After the recent news listed below, what's the action been like on PC this W / E. Is there anyone who is there who can answer this?[/QUOTE]Single most important issue? Hahaha! Do not panic! Sosua existed before whoever this person is, was asked to leave and Sosua will exist when you get there in a month's time or six. You are going there for hookers and they will be aplenty, on the streets, on the beach and everywhere else.

[QUOTE=Bimmy5;1620898]I'll ask again since nobody seems to care about the single most important issue in this section? After the recent news listed below, what's the action been like on PC this W / E. Is there anyone who is there who can answer this?[/QUOTE]Armando could have been seen as a roadblock to either:

A) Vice Mayor Willy wanting a total monopoly over Sosua's nightlife (as he gears up to run for Mayor).

B) The real estate folks who want to clean up Sosua and turn it into a family destination.

C) Neither A or B

D) All the above

While sitting across the street from Rumbas. A lady with an enfant in a stroller. , followed 5 minutes later by a gentleman with a 7 year old girl. They were white Dominicans and I think this was a form of protest. The Putas were thick in front of Rumbas and we guys were lined up on the other side of the street.

[QUOTE=Bimmy5;1620898]I'll ask again since nobody seems to care about the single most important issue in this section? After the recent news listed below, what's the action been like on PC this W / E. Is there anyone who is there who can answer this?[/QUOTE]No predictions just observations.

Mongers and chicas alike need to prepare for the likely transition of Sosua. Mongers should diversify locations and develop alternate means of contact and interacting with chicas and Sosua PFP chicas need to do the same. If we look at the actions of the Dominican government a pattern emerges. PFP establishments or personalities that were noticeably directly or indirectly connected to prostitution in Sosua have been adversely effected.

1. The owner of Passions was incarcerated for a period and his business was shut down.

2. Cuba-Dave the most vocal and visible advocate of Passions and CMP reportedly was asked to leave the Dominican Republic and not to return.

3. the'Latins one of Pedro Clisante's premier mongering venues was forced to close.

4. The owner of Rumba was briefly incarcerated and has left the Dominican Republic.

5. Most recently the primary promoter of the Victoria House pool parties was detained and extorted.

6. Armando Casciati the reported owner of Classicos has been arrested.

Peter of Passions, Bobby of Rumbas, Willie of the' Latin's and Armando of Classicos have become victims of the winds of change in Sosua. An observation of the evidence indicates that this thing of ours as we knew it in Sosua is on the decline and it is unknown what the future will hold. A reasonable observation based on the aforementioned pattern that the government's intention is to change the face of Sosua therefore those who are interested in Dominican Republic and Sosua specifically as a mongering destination need to be prepared to flow with the transition because those who are not prepared could get lost in the schuffle.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1620879]GTFOH. She wanted $150 after you gave here gifts. Was this for 1 day? SHitttttt! And I thought Surfer spoiled his non pros. She want super wages. I agree with you about the non pros. Newbies unless the have time on your hands to invest and / or allot of money; leave the non pro route alone on a short vacation. $125 is 5 chicas and 4 elpresidentes para mi.[/QUOTE]Spoiling non pros at $ 150 a day. Wow. Currently I'm down to only one non-pro and I give her 2200 pesos a day when she is with me. That includes a minimum of three pops a day and some days has been four and one day it was five. I don't know where all the leche comes from, but for being over sixty I'm still coming profusely with this very hot Haitian. The only thing that has topped her thus far in Sosua was the day it was breaking in Sosua Bay in May on a north swell and I had all the waves to myself.

2200 a day with you wining and dining is good 90% of the time. This lady is getting a reality check. She has a dream of being free from her very tough life. We gave each other what we wanted.

I had a semi pro who drains me.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1620950]Spoiling non pros at $ 150 a day. Wow. Currently I'm down to only one non-pro and I give her 2200 pesos a day when she is with me. That includes a minimum of three pops a day and some days has been four and one day it was five. I don't know where all the leche comes from, but for being over sixty I'm still coming profusely with this very hot Haitian. The only thing that has topped her thus far in Sosua was the day it was breaking in Sosua Bay in May on a north swell and I had all the waves to myself.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Camaro1257;1620934]No predictions just observations.

Mongers and chicas alike need to prepare for the likely transition of Sosua. Mongers should diversify locations and develop alternate means of contact and interacting with chicas and Sosua PFP chicas need to do the same. If we look at the actions of the Dominican government a pattern emerges. PFP establishments or personalities that were noticeably directly or indirectly connected to prostitution in Sosua have been adversely effected.

1. The owner of Passions was incarcerated for a period and his business was shut down.

2. Cuba-Dave the most vocal and visible advocate of Passions and CMP reportedly was asked to leave the Dominican Republic and not to return.

3. the'Latins one of Pedro Clisante's premier mongering venues was forced to close.

4. The owner of Rumba was briefly incarcerated and has left the Dominican Republic.

5. Most recently the primary promoter of the Victoria House pool parties was detained and extorted.

6. Armando Casciati the reported owner of Classicos has been arrested.

Peter of Passions, Bobby of Rumbas, Willie of the' Latin's and Armando of Classicos have become victims of the winds of change in Sosua. An observation of the evidence indicates that this thing of ours as we knew it in Sosua is on the decline and it is unknown what the future will hold. A reasonable observation based on the aforementioned pattern that the government's intention is to change the face of Sosua therefore those who are interested in Dominican Republic and Sosua specifically as a mongering destination need to be prepared to flow with the transition because those who are not prepared could get lost in the schuffle.[/QUOTE]Has anyone who either lives in Sosua or visits frequently noticed a transition from detaining the proprietors to detaining and / or extorting the mongers themselves? I am wondering if this winter will bring widespread arrests of individual mongers in the bars and / or hotels. At what point is it unsafe to travel to Sosua for some fun?

[QUOTE=Lou32;1621010]Has anyone who either lives in Sosua or visits frequently noticed a transition from detaining the proprietors to detaining and / or extorting the mongers themselves? I am wondering if this winter will bring widespread arrests of individual mongers in the bars and / or hotels. At what point is it unsafe to travel to Sosua for some fun?[/QUOTE]That's a good question. I seem to remember reading some statements by the authorities that they were considering arresting the (foreign) clients of prostitutes (for taking advantage of the innocent Dominican chicas) . I was skeptical that this would ever come to fruition as prostitution is legal in the DR (and practiced widely by the Dominican men).

[QUOTE=Combo;1621020]That's a good question. I seem to remember reading some statements by the authorities that they were considering arresting the (foreign) clients of prostitutes (for taking advantage of the innocent Dominican chicas) . I was skeptical that this would ever come to fruition as prostitution is legal in the DR (and practiced widely by the Dominican men).[/QUOTE]Didn't that happen about a year ago in SD? If they are fucking with Armondo, who was a fixture in the community for 25 years and a local buisiness man, then they can fuck with anyone. I also remember a time years ago where girls were arrested for walking around Sosua with gringos.

I'm not really concerned about Sosua because I have cultivated other spots in the DR, but I'm concerned about the investments that some of these buisiness men have made in Sosua. What happens to Sosua bay hotel now? That's a beautiful property. Peter invested a lot of money into his property before his fall as did Dlatins.

I remember Willy walking up to me and Mr E and saying he had just purchased Classicos that night. Then they close Dlatins and Classicos become hot. People don't understand that it would be easy to transform Sosua very rapidly into a family environment. Remember the cruise port begins taking visitors in December. A crackdown on the girls and gringos would travel fast on the internet. Mongers would be canceling trips. I remember years ago when Classicos would play rock and roll during the weekdays and hip hop on the weekends. Classicos would be mostly euro tourist couples during the weekdays and the young Newyorkers wouldn't roll in till the weekends. What if they changed the music at Classicos and rumbas to be more tourist friendly, would that kill a certain foreign traveling dynamic?

Let's wait and see what adjustments happen with the cruise terminal opening in December in Miamon. Will Sosua be busing in the cruise guests for day trips to the beach and structured tours? In closing I would say that Sosua died many years ago for me. I had so much fun in the old Sosua that I'm ashamed that one person had that much fun for so long in one place. It was a beautiful ride.

It's funny how all these guys try to sell you viagra and cialis at these cambio stations but never have condoms or lubricant.

I had a bait and switch done on me last night. I'm not salty about it just a lesson learned. I'm sitting in Rumbas just chillin with the homies, no intention on getting my balls drained of all their leche. How ever some 30 something chica surprising struck my eye. Now I had to say no gracias like 20 times. She was cool brought me a President and asked me if I was hungry. Weird approach I thought. I said no I'm cool, I told her no mas leche en mis bolas, she laughed and she said she could help me with that problem. I said how? Her reply was simply a BBBJ, no pago. I was like bullshit. Si. She said. So as a horny as I am I took her on. Then she said if I don't nut no pay. If I nut I give her a propina. Ok I said. We go back to my room. Now ol girl was masterful with her head game. It was like she was sucking a golf ball thru a straw. Sucking the chrome off a bumber. I haven't had my 3rd leg sucked so good I wanted to tap out. I swear I thought only dust was in my ball sacks. I don't how she did it but she made me bust air. I was looking all over for that invisible leche. Never have I seen that shit happen. I gave her a high 5. And gave her $500RD propina. She looked at me and said no $2000. I'm like what? That's no propina that's a damn service charge. I was like nope. Then she started talking loud and standing in front of the door. This * just got me fucked up. Funny how when your not in your own country you let shit slide. I laughed and paid her to leave. I should of know better but damn. That lesson fucked up and felt good at the same damn time.

[QUOTE=Camaro1257;1620934]No predictions just observations.


2. Cuba-Dave the most vocal and visible advocate of Passions and CMP reportedly was asked to leave the Dominican Republic and not to return.

3..

5. 6. A reasonable observation based on the aforementioned pattern that the government's intention is to change the face of Sosua therefore those who are interested in Dominican Republic and Sosua specifically as a mongering destination need to be prepared to flow with the transition because those who are not prepared could get lost in the schuffle.[/QUOTE]Cuba Dave seemed G rated to me but look what happened to him. Word to the wise act right and be mindful of what you are doing. Don't flaunt around and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] everyone off. These women are someone's family member and you are FUCKING them

[QUOTE=Grub1;1621218]Cuba Dave seemed G rated to me but look what happened to him. Word to the wise act right and be mindful of what you are doing. Don't flaunt around and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] everyone off. These women are someone's family member and you are FUCKING them[/QUOTE]We all do well to listen to this advise and should NOT forget we are visitors in another country.

RR.

GUYS WE can not worry about the political waves in Sosua. First we can not control any of this. What we can do is enjoy the place to the fullest while it is there. The place is custom made for us. Women food and a beach.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1621244]GUYS WE can not worry about the political waves in Sosua. First we can not control any of this. [/QUOTE]That is correct. Nonetheless, for the doom and gloom sayers, there was a recent report from a Cerebro, under cabarete. He is of Dominican origin who left the island 20 years back. He states that even in the past, that is at least 20 years back, Sosua was still well known. This is why, I think it is useless to worry about the demise of the place.

As long as the hobbyist knows how to behave publicly, and be discreet about something they cannot brag back home about, I cannot imagine anything is going to happen to him / them. Of course, it might be quite different for the NY kind of behavior. Finally, if you can, diversifying out of Sosua, is how you would manage your risk.

[QUOTE=KaneMyers718;1621200]It's funny how all these guys try to sell you viagra and cialis at these cambio stations but never have condoms or lubricant.

I had a bait and switch done on me last night. I'm not salty about it just a lesson learned. I'm sitting in Rumbas just chillin with the homies, no intention on getting my balls drained of all their leche. How ever some 30 something chica surprising struck my eye. Now I had to say no gracias like 20 times. She was cool brought me a President and asked me if I was hungry. Weird approach I thought. I said no I'm cool, I told her no mas leche en mis bolas, she laughed and she said she could help me with that problem. I said how? Her reply was simply a BBBJ, no pago. I was like bullshit. Si. She said. So as a horny as I am I took her on. Then she said if I don't nut no pay. If I nut I give her a propina. Ok I said. We go back to my room. Now ol girl was masterful with her head game. It was like she was sucking a golf ball thru a straw. Sucking the chrome off a bumber. I haven't had my 3rd leg sucked so good I wanted to tap out. I swear I thought only dust was in my ball sacks. I don't how she did it but she made me bust air. I was looking all over for that invisible leche. Never have I seen that shit happen. I gave her a high 5. And gave her $500RD propina. She looked at me and said no $2000. I'm like what? That's no propina that's a damn service charge. I was like nope. Then she started talking loud and standing in front of the door. This * just got me fucked up. Funny how when your not in your own country you let shit slide. I laughed and paid her to leave. I should of know better but damn. That lesson fucked up and felt good at the same damn time.[/QUOTE]Now that's a game you have to love and hate. The beautiful of the hateful Sosua.

[QUOTE=Grub1;1621218]Cuba Dave seemed G rated to me but look what happened to him. Word to the wise act right and be mindful of what you are doing. Don't flaunt around and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] everyone off. These women are someone's family member and you are FUCKING them[/QUOTE]I make love LOL.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1621096]. People don't understand that it would be easy to transform Sosua very rapidly into a family environment. Remember the cruise port begins taking visitors in December. [/QUOTE]What? Lets see from a tourist perspective lets start with excessive noise coming from everywhere all day and night. Sidewalks that simulate rock climbing where I have seen many persons including myself fall. Traffic where there are no rules that are followed, and you feel like you are playing Frogger crossing the street. Motos selling dope and watching your every move. A beach filled with shacks selling crap. No good public restrooms for little Johnny when he craps his pants. The Dom rep govt extorting a tourist for any little accident or incident. Sousa beach is a dime a dozen beach. The girls and mongers are a problem some would say, but its only one problem.

They can surely chase people away and turn the place into a ghost town. Which in some respects I think they had already started doing. But transforming it easily into family environment that middle class America will go. No not so much.

Sosua is a shithole. We only like it for the P4P and because it is less of a shithole than the rest of the DR (excluding a few places like Jarabacoa which are too remote for cruise passengers on a day outing and could not accept big enough numbers to make any difference to the economy).

You guys have no idea what most cruise passengers are like. They are modestly affluent, mostly 50+, and go on cruises because they want to be pampered and have everything served up on a plate. I cannot think of anything that Sosua can offer that other places cannot offer much better (apart from the P4 P chicas). No-one is going to want to take a few hours out of their expensively paid-for holiday time to visit that unexceptional shithole with at least an hour's trip each way past boring scenery.

Maybe they will arrange a few bus outings there at first, but once all the tourist reviews start getting posted with most people saying "not worth it, don't bother" the demand will soon dry up.

Once and for all the new cruise port has nothing to do with the crackdown in Sosua. If you have ever been on a cruse you would know that. Cruise ships do not bring tourists to stay in the places they visit. They dock for less than a day and then take all the tourists with to the next port of call. Some idiot propsed this idea and I can't beleive people still beleive it.

So what do you guys think they are going do with the cruise ship tourists? Let them stay in boring ass Miamon and sell them Brugal and mammaguannas? Think outside the box. I happen to think the ride from Puerto Plata is beautiful with its lush greenery and open sea views.

Look guys we really don't know but we will see soon if the cruise ship is going to incorporate other nearby areas into the equation.

I have been wrong many times before; I once stated Boca Chica would be the next hot spot for mongers, wrong there. I once stated Frannie was an alien working in a call center in India, completely wrong with that one. And I also stated a few years ago that Classicos closing was the final call for Sosua.

Surfer500,

What is your secret for 3 to 5 times pops a day? Please share your secret he leche quickly refills. I'm impressed. It is something you eat, drink or do? I'm in my 40's and for me when I get 2 pops in a day, I am pretty much done or empty till the next day. I would like to know your secret.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1620950]Spoiling non pros at $ 150 a day. Wow. Currently I'm down to only one non-pro and I give her 2200 pesos a day when she is with me. That includes a minimum of three pops a day and some days has been four and one day it was five. I don't know where all the leche comes from, but for being over sixty I'm still coming profusely with this very hot Haitian. The only thing that has topped her thus far in Sosua was the day it was breaking in Sosua Bay in May on a north swell and I had all the waves to myself.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1621410]Surfer500,

What is your secret for 3 to 5 times pops a day? Please share your secret he leche quickly refills. I'm impressed. It is something you eat, drink or do? I'm in my 40's and for me when I get 2 pops in a day, I am pretty much done or empty till the next day. I would like to know your secret.[/QUOTE]Everybody is different and the 5 day pop was only once, a few 4 day pops, but typically three a day. I think a lot of it has to do with the following in my case:

1. Being with the same woman that is hotter than hooker and turns you on.

2. You have to have chemistry with this woman.

3. Spacing out the leche events, I have a GF in Tijuana and I usually do her approximately every 8 hours apart on the weekends.

4. Not being overweight, you need to be in shape and workout regularly.

5. Not partaking in alcohol / drugs before the leche events.

6. The woman your with has to be a horn dog and orgasm more than you.

7. You need to be well rested and not sleep deprived.

8. You need to drink plenty of fluids.

I think in a nutshell it depends mostly on the woman your with and if you have chemistry together.

I couldn't imagine popping three to four times a day sport-fucking hoes off the Strip in Sosua but I know there's some young bucks like GrownMan that can but he's about 1/2 my age!

I'm sure other members will have some comments on all this as well.

[quote=surfer500;1621430]everybody is different and the 5 day pop was only once, a few 4 day pops, but typically three a day. i think a lot of it has to do with the following in my case:

1. being with the same woman that is hotter than hooker and turns you on.

2. you have to have chemistry with this woman.

3. spacing out the leche events, i have a gf in tijuana and i usually do her approximately every 8 hours apart on the weekends.

4. not being overweight, you need to be in shape and workout regularly.

5. not partaking in alcohol / drugs before the leche events.

6. the woman your with has to be a horn dog and orgasm more than you.

7. you need to be well rested and not sleep deprived.

8. you need to drink plenty of fluids.

i think in a nutshell it depends mostly on the woman your with and if you have chemistry together.

i couldn't imagine popping three to four times a day sport-fucking hoes off the strip in sosua but i know there's some young bucks like grownman that can but he's about 1/2 my age!

i'm sure other members will have some comments on all this as well.[/quote]and here i thought it was those tight ass speedos (with the pinch me writing on the back) that didn't let your balls breathe was your secret.

Surfer500,

Thank you for the feedback. By looking at the numbers, I have been shooting my self on my own foot, and there is a lot that I could improve by following some of your advise. I have been good with #1 and #2, but deficient in the other numbers. During my last trip to DR in August 2014, I was probably 20-30 pounds overweight. I need to lose those extra pounds and work out more regularly. I did not drink much liquids except for a lot of Cervezas Presidente and Mojitos (unless these two count as liquid intake, just kidding). I did not get much sleep because I was always busy at night till 3 am trying to get chicas and then banging them after I found one I liked. Whenever I went to bed at 4 am or 5 am, I was up again after 3-4 hours of sleep max and could not sleep more during the day. If I want to improve my pops per day, I would definitely need to improve my sleep, increase considerably my liquid intake, reduce the alcohol intake (this is going to be hard cause I love beer and Mojitos), and cut the extra weight in my next mongering trip to DR or wherever I go. I will test all these in my first mongering trip to Colombia Medellin next month and would let you know it works out for me or not. My next trip to DR is next year.

Thank you again.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1621430]Everybody is different and the 5 day pop was only once, a few 4 day pops, but typically three a day. I think a lot of it has to do with the following in my case:

1. Being with the same woman that is hotter than hooker and turns you on.

2. You have to have chemistry with this woman.

3. Spacing out the leche events, I have a GF in Tijuana and I usually do her approximately every 8 hours apart on the weekends.

4. Not being overweight, you need to be in shape and workout regularly.

5. Not partaking in alcohol / drugs before the leche events..[/QUOTE]

[quote=grownman1;1621434]and here i thought it was those tight ass speedos (with the pinch me writing on the back) that didn't let your balls breathe was your secret.[/quote]i forgot that one which was going to be number 9 on the leche management list!

[QUOTE=Grub1;1621218]Cuba Dave seemed G rated to me but look what happened to him. Word to the wise act right and be mindful of what you are doing. Don't flaunt around and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] everyone off. These women are someone's family member and you are FUCKING them[/QUOTE]Keeping a low profile is good advice for any mongering destination.

I am pushing the big 60 so pops are precious. Finding a babe you want to be with makes all the difference. My Sosua friend can consistently get 4 pops out of me. She seems to get as much out of the sex as me. Reading your prescription for success is exactly how I roll. Except I catch a buzz sometimes before activity. Sport fucking is a challenging physically and financially if you doing 3 plus sessions.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1621430]Everybody is different and the 5 day pop was only once, a few 4 day pops, but typically three a day. I think a lot of it has to do with the following in my case:

1. Being with the same woman that is hotter than hooker and turns you on.

2. You have to have chemistry with this woman.

3. Spacing out the leche events, I have a GF in Tijuana and I usually do her approximately every 8 hours apart on the weekends.

4. Not being overweight, you need to be in shape and workout regularly.

5. Not partaking in alcohol / drugs before the leche events.

6. The woman your with has to be a horn dog and orgasm more than you.

7. You need to be well rested and not sleep deprived.

8. You need to drink plenty of fluids.

I think in a nutshell it depends mostly on the woman your with and if you have chemistry together.

I couldn't imagine popping three to four times a day sport-fucking hoes off the Strip in Sosua but I know there's some young bucks like GrownMan that can but he's about 1/2 my age!

I'm sure other members will have some comments on all this as well.[/QUOTE]

Armando Casciati accused of promoting sex tourism.

Attorney General Francisco Dominguez Brito is reported to have instructed the deportation of all foreigners who are known promoters of the Dominican Republic as a sex tourism destination. A long time Sosua resident, Italian businessman and artist Armando Casciati was the next in line. As reported in Acento, he reached an agreement with Immigration Department officials and left the country on a voluntary basis on Sunday, 14 September 2014 with the commitment of never returning.

Legal system officials and Immigration inspectors detained him on Friday morning, 12 September 2014, after he was questioned by the Puerto Plata prosecutor Alba Nunez Pichardo.

As reported in Diario Libre, the Special Procurement against Illicit Trafficking in Persons and Migrants, under Judge Jonathan Baro Gutierez ordered the cancellation of Casciati's residency, followed by his deportation.

Casciati had lived in Sosua for over 20 years where he operated several businesses including the Sosua Bay, Sosua Bay Convention Center, a television station, and several bars allegedly dedicated to prostitution, including the Merengue Bar, the'Clasico and Club 59.

[QUOTE=Grub1;1621218]Cuba Dave seemed G rated to me but look what happened to him. Word to the wise act right and be mindful of what you are doing. Don't flaunt around and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] everyone off. [/QUOTE]Yeah, well, Cuba Dave promoted the hell out of Passions club without making any attempt to shield his identity and then when it was closed down he said that it was just a question of paying the right bribes to the corrupt DR authorities and normal service would be resumed shortly.

What could possibly go wrong?

He continues to take potshots at the DR authorities from a distance.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYQ5qEvikwE[/URL]

Good info Surf! I definitly look for chemistry as well as physical attraction. I got to be able to have a conversation and get her laugh. I really want to.

Know what your workout is like. I always thought cardio was best for recharging the body for sex. I'm 46, I want be smashing till I'm 100.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1621430]Everybody is different and the 5 day pop was only once, a few 4 day pops, but typically three a day. I think a lot of it has to do with the following in my case:

1. Being with the same woman that is hotter than hooker and turns you on.

2. You have to have chemistry with this woman.

3. Spacing out the leche events, I have a GF in Tijuana and I usually do her approximately every 8 hours apart on the weekends.

4. Not being overweight, you need to be in shape and workout regularly.

5. Not partaking in alcohol / drugs before the leche events.

6. The woman your with has to be a horn dog and orgasm more than you.

7. You need to be well rested and not sleep deprived.

8. You need to drink plenty of fluids.

I think in a nutshell it depends mostly on the woman your with and if you have chemistry together.

I couldn't imagine popping three to four times a day sport-fucking hoes off the Strip in Sosua but I know there's some young bucks like GrownMan that can but he's about 1/2 my age!

I'm sure other members will have some comments on all this as well.[/QUOTE]

Update! The cruise line will attempt a new pilot program that promotes muti-day excursions. Details in the Gogo forum.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1621430]Everybody is different and the 5 day pop was only once, a few 4 day pops, but typically three a day. I think a lot of it has to do with the following in my case:

1. Being with the same woman that is hotter than hooker and turns you on.

2. You have to have chemistry with this woman.

3. Spacing out the leche events, I have a GF in Tijuana and I usually do her approximately every 8 hours apart on the weekends.

4. Not being overweight, you need to be in shape and workout regularly.

5. Not partaking in alcohol / drugs before the leche events.

6. The woman your with has to be a horn dog and orgasm more than you..[/QUOTE]The regimen probably works well, if you can handle it. My lifestyle is more like Cerebro's. I conditioned for a half-marathon this Summer, and most of the recipe for success was the same as Surfer's.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1621430]Everybody is different and the 5 day pop was only once, a few 4 day pops, but typically three a day. I think a lot of it has to do with the following in my case:

1. Being with the same woman that is hotter than hooker and turns you on.

2. You have to have chemistry with this woman.

3. Spacing out the leche events, I have a GF in Tijuana and I usually do her approximately every 8 hours apart on the weekends.

4. Not being overweight, you need to be in shape and workout regularly.

5. Not partaking in alcohol / drugs before the leche events.

6. The woman your with has to be a horn dog and orgasm more than you.

7. You need to be well rested and not sleep deprived.

8. You need to drink plenty of fluids.

I think in a nutshell it depends mostly on the woman your with and if you have chemistry together.

I couldn't imagine popping three to four times a day sport-fucking hoes off the Strip in Sosua but I know there's some young bucks like GrownMan that can but he's about 1/2 my age!

I'm sure other members will have some comments on all this as well.[/QUOTE]There is a very important item that has been omitted from this list of achieving many releases. Nutrition. Semen is primarily protein. A diet high in protein is crucial. Therefore, one has to eat lots of beef, pork, mutton, etc. A good beefy steak is a prelude to getting that chica to shout "Rrrrico, rrrrico". Think about it, a lion can mate up to 60 times a day!

[QUOTE=Turgid;1621617]There is a very important item that has been omitted from this list of achieving many releases. Nutrition. Semen is primarily protein. A diet high in protein is crucial. Therefore, one has to eat lots of beef, pork, mutton, etc. A good beefy steak is a prelude to getting that chica to shout "Rrrrico, rrrrico". Think about it, a lion can mate up to 60 times a day![/QUOTE]I forget to include the protein juice supplements from muff diving chicas as an item on the list.

Anybody know if DLatino is open or is Classico where all the action right now?

[QUOTE=Frannie;1621598]Yeah, well, Cuba Dave promoted the hell out of Passions club without making any attempt to shield his identity and then when it was closed down he said that it was just a question of paying the right bribes to the corrupt DR authorities and normal service would be resumed shortly.

What could possibly go wrong?

He continues to take potshots at the DR authorities from a distance.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYQ5qEvikwE[/URL][/QUOTE]Guy's learn from Cuba Dave of what not to do.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1621398]So what do you guys think they are going do with the cruise ship tourists? Let them stay in boring ass Miamon and sell them Brugal and mammaguannas? [/QUOTE]If you have ever been on a cruise that's exactly what they do with the cruise tourists. Basically all the activities are on the ship. Then when you arrive in port you can get off, take a few pictures, buy some souviners and say you have been in that country. As for multi-day stops I did not find your report but that would not seem logical. Since all the activities are on ship there is no reason for it. On some cruises they do have excurisions. (about 3 hrs.) But those are for planned activities. There is nothing to come to Sosua for and it's I doubt that there could be, except for the obvious. But then if some guys on the cruise know what Sosua is like and want action they could try to get to Sosua. So a cuise could help business. But nothing planned by the crise is likely to touch Sosua.

[QUOTE=Bimmy5;1621771]If you have ever been on a cruise that's exactly what they do with the cruise tourists. Basically all the activities are on the ship. Then when you arrive in port you can get off, take a few pictures, buy some souviners and say you have been in that country. As for multi-day stops I did not find your report but that would not seem logical. Since all the activities are on ship there is no reason for it. On some cruises they do have excurisions. (about 3 hrs.) But those are for planned activities. There is nothing to come to Sosua for and it's I doubt that there could be, except for the obvious. But then if some guys on the cruise know what Sosua is like and want action they could try to get to Sosua. So a cuise could help business. But nothing planned by the crise is likely to touch Sosua.[/QUOTE]I'm on delay so my posts take about a day to post. Here is the article I was waiting to post.

Not so crazy, stupid or ignorant as you might think.

They had planned to offer a cruise with port of call in Maimon, which will include shore excursions for the day or two (overnight stay of ship at port) and (catch this!) extended inland excursions in the country of several days with an option to return on either a scheduled ship for the port or air travel to their final destination.

Unlike stated in the article, passengers opting for that option must do so even before boarding the ship. They must arrange such things with the cruise sales agent.

This will be a depart from inland extended excursions that had either to be carried out prior to boarding the cruise ship or at the end of it, without an option to re-embark to another ship for return.

That's why this port complex is so ground breaking for the cruise line biz.

In order to circumvent policies in the USA That demand cruise passengers embark / return on the same port / ship as they took. The cruises aiming to offer such options will make use of Puerto Rico's own cruise policies. They do allow cruise ships to embark passengers in one port and end their trip at another port if elected.

The DR was selected to introduce this new format of cruise offerings, due to the diversity of options for travelers to select from. From staying a week in Ciudad Colonial and touring the oldest city in the new world, to river rafting, white sandy beaches in Punta Cana, etc.

In order to make this happen, the new four lane road from the new CN in Santiago to Puerto Plata will be taking shape.

A clean-up of Sosua / Puerto Plata is concurrent and undergoing.

As stated "passengers" travel plans for this must be done prior to embarking on the cruise. It will not be selective after the cruise ship departs on the trip and beyond. Unless the passenger decides to terminate their trip and catch the flight home of option, there will not be a catch the next ship on port to go home as described in the article.

First, the bottom line question.

Right now Sosua is still a mongers playground. Although a little quieter than times past, there are enough beautiful and inexpensive chicas to satisfy the hungriest appetite. The chicas ply their trade like nothing is happening, and are not at this time being hassled by the obvious police presence.

Second Sosua is a civic planning nightmare. Fully half the strip is closed down. The action is centered around the area between Classico and Rhumba. Although the area around Baileys is lively, particularly the bar across the street.

For me, it's pretty much the same because I hang with my regular and friends. I'm having a ball and maybe I'll post a TR when I get a better internet connection.

The word is still, "C'mon. Down" !

This new cruiseport policy can not be feasible. To start with Puerto Rico is a part of the US which creates a differnt customs situation. Also many people going to Puerto Rico have family there because the US has a large Puerto Rican population so they might want to stay. That is not true nearly as true of the DR. I doubt that this could be financially successful.

But still the principal reason for the crackdown in Sosua was that the scene in Sosua got unfortunate publicity that came to the attention of DR authorities. This cruiseport was planned long before this took place. People go on cruses to party on ship. The cruiseport is just a TRUCK STOP. In fact most people never get off the ship. Now with the opening of the cruiseport coming so close to the crackdown in Sosua it is easy to say there is a connection between the two. But I still think the notion is ridiculous. If this idea you talk about of extended cruise stays is true it's someones fantasy and can't work. They are not going to change the well established market for cruises. That would be as difficult as changing the market for trips to Sosua, which if this crackdown continues the DR authorities are soon going to realize.

[QUOTE=Bimmy5;1622109]This new cruise port policy can not be feasible. To start with Puerto Rico is a part of the US which creates a differnt customs situation. Also many people going to Puerto Rico have family there because the US has a large Puerto Rican population so they might want to stay. That is not true of the DR. I doubt that this could be financially successful.

But still the pricipal reason for the crackdown in Sosua was that the scene in Sosua got unfortunate publicity that came to the attention of DR authorities. This cruiseport was planned long before this took place. People go on cruses to party on ship. The cruiseport is just a TRUCK STOP. In fact most people never get off the ship. Now with the opening of the cruiseport coming so close to the crackdown in Sosua it is easy to say there is a connection between the two. But I still think the notion is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]One interesting dynamic that probably hasn't been considered is the Dominicans reputation for fucking up any positive situation because of greed and selfishness. It all sounds good but the Dominicans are sitting back licking their chops, waiting with their hands out. I'm not sure about a tourist wanting to spend a week in SD seeing the sites when it only takes half a day to do the tourist sites. What will they be doing the rest of the time?

The same goes for Sosua and Cabarette, it's only a half day stop at best. Santiago doesn't offer much for the tourist, same for Puerto Plata. Outside money is coming in and the Dominicans are saying"yes" to everything. For anyone who has been coming to the DR for years it's very interesting watching good business models fold because the Dominicans have found a new sucker. Never invest in the DR fellas.

[QUOTE=Bimmy5;1622109]This new cruiseport policy can not be feasible. To start with Puerto Rico is a part of the US which creates a differnt customs situation. Also many people going to Puerto Rico have family there because the US has a large Puerto Rican population so they might want to stay. That is not true nearly as true of the DR. I doubt that this could be financially successful.

But still the principal reason for the crackdown in Sosua was that the scene in Sosua got unfortunate publicity that came to the attention of DR authorities. This cruiseport was planned long before this took place. People go on cruses to party on ship. The cruiseport is just a TRUCK STOP. In fact most people never get off the ship. Now with the opening of the cruiseport coming so close to the crackdown in Sosua it is easy to say there is a connection between the two. But I still think the notion is ridiculous. If this idea you talk about of extended cruise stays is true it's someones fantasy and can't work. They are not going to change the well established market for cruises. That would be as difficult as changing the market for trips to Sosua, which if this crackdown continues the DR authorities are soon going to realize.[/QUOTE]I just looked up the Carnival site and they list no extended stay stops in Puerto Rico. I then called and they almost laughed at me when I asked about it.

[QUOTE=Bimmy5;1622176]I just looked up the Carnival site and they list no extended stay stops in Puerto Rico. I then called and they almost laughed at me when I asked about it.[/QUOTE]You mean Puerto Plata no doubt?

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1622119]One interesting dynamic that probably hasn't been considered is the Dominicans reputation for fucking up any positive situation because of greed and selfishness. It all sounds good but the Dominicans are sitting back licking their chops, waiting with their hands out. I'm not sure about a tourist wanting to spend a week in SD seeing the sites when it only takes half a day to do the tourist sites. What will they be doing the rest of the time?

The same goes for Sosua and Cabarette, it's only a half day stop at best. Santiago doesn't offer much for the tourist, same for Puerto Plata. Outside money is coming in and the Dominicans are saying"yes" to everything. For anyone who has been coming to the DR for years it's very interesting watching good business models fold because the Dominicans have found a new sucker. Never invest in the DR fellas.[/QUOTE]Didn't foreign investors try to invest in Playa Dorada? I heard they shipped in sand and everything. Now I heard there are weeds in the sand. LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1622207]You mean Puerto Plata no doubt?[/QUOTE]No, I mean Puerto Rico. Read the below posts.

Cruise ships never stay at a port very long.

1. It costs them money to stay in the port using electrical power, water etc besides port charges. Better for them to meander in the ocean.

2. All side trips and beach activities finish by 6 PM. They did not take mongering time in figuring this.

3. Cruise passengers are usually families doing things together. Even single guys travel with a GF.

They are unlikely to go look for quick romp and fuck. Although many family guys would love to sneak away for a quick satisfaction.

4. Cruise passengers do not want to get in trouble with law, irritable chicas etc.

So crackdown in Sosua has nothing to do with cruise stop in mind. It is just that all over the world prostituition is frowned upon. Even struggling economies do not want to use mongering destination to attract tourists.

Even in Thailand which is well known tries to shun prostitution.

I sense a lot of Paranoia from some about the recent prostitution track down, and closing of some of the most popular monger places in Sosua like Passion, CMP etc and recent deportation (this is also called voluntarily asked to leave the country) of foreight business man that have been promoting prostitution in Sosua. The last guy deported this week was the Italian Armando Casiati, the owner of some hotels in Puerto Plata / Sosua and of the Merengue club and the Classico see: [URL]http://www.sosuanews.com/index.php?id=3832&article=1I[/URL] I think from reading the previous reports, Cubadave was also asked to leave the DR for promoting sex tourism. He made the promotion of sex tourism super odvious with all those youtube videos and great reviews of mongering places in Sosua like passions, CMP, Dlatin, Classico, Rumba, etc. And to be honest, thanks to Cubadave's promotion, that is how I decided to make a trip to DR this year and I had a great time, but bad for Cubadave that he had to leave.

Just some things to keep in mind and to in keep perspective:

1. Although Prostitution is legal in the DR, promoting it and / or deriving financial gains from it is not. I am not a lawyer, but for a Dominican authority to make a case against guys like.

Armando Casiati, it is pretty easy. All they have to do is go to one of his places and video tape the activity inside, find some hookers employed there and if they are stupid enough to have minors in there employed or as prostitutes then it is easy to add more criminal charges. In regards to places that promote prostitution and brothels (this is supposed to be illegal), that part of the law is not enforced that much as seen by the activity in Sosua in the bars that have rooms for sex an have tons of hookers and and also the brothels in many towns of the country. In my opinion, those places are able to operate because they bribe the authorities, judicial system and police in order to operate their businesses.

2. This takes me to the point number 2 that the DR is still considered a third world country and that corruption quite ingrained in the culture. This is made evident by the constant husslers, politians stealing money left and right from public projects, the Police asking for money for breakfast, lunch, or giving you a break after a traffit violation with some dollars given, the motoconcho or taxi guy inflating the fare if you don't know the fare or giving you the Gringo treatment, people being released from jail easily after crime committed just with the persuasive power of money etc, etc, etc. See this interesting corruption index by country: [URL]http://www.transparency.org/cpi2013/results[/URL] "The Index scores 177 countries and territories on a scale from 0 (highly corrupt) to 100 (very clean). No country has a perfect score, and two-thirds of countries score below 50. This indicates a serious, worldwide corruption problem". The DR has 29 or way bellow 5 O, therefore got a super corrupt score. I lived grew up in the DR for 20 years so I know this by experience. I remember 25 years ago getting my drivers license in the DR when I was about 18 in 1987 and I did not get my license after passing the test because I refused to give the inspector what he called "his thing" or a bride. Things have not changed in regards to corruption.

3. Being careless and getting out of the confines of the law, will open the door for trouble. I think that the key is as Tempoecorto puts it best when advises the hobbyist "to behave publicly and discreet" and also diversifying locations or is it diversifying allocations to manage risk. I think Tempoecorto is in finance or risk management because of these ideas.

4. As a monger, keep going to the DR. There is so much opportunities is Sosua, Cabarete, Santiago, the Capital, Boca Chica, Las Terrenas / Samana, etc etc and enjoy the chicas everywhere you go, the choices are bast. It is a legal activity for girls over 18, check their cedula I'd and you won't get in trouble unless you don't pay the hooker accordingly or as agreed (she could call the cops for not paying and you cocould get arrested). Also, Don't advertise with anyone that you are a monger (keep this just among mongers), stay within the confines of the law, avoid the minors, avoid the problematic type of hooker types, don't buy drugs there, etc. The DR is is a very contradictory culture. In general is a mainly catholic culture and Some values of the Catholic religion are taught from early age and prostitution is a sinful activity as taught by the religion. Mongers and even those foreign investors get the wrong perception of the country about the country and that prostitution is normal and accepted when staying in Sosua or BocaChica with so many chicas everywhere, but as a Dominican raised / born, prostitution it something despised by the general population. And finally, don't lose perspective or get careless like those guys that were asked to leave the DR.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1621270]That is correct. Nonetheless, for the doom and gloom sayers, there was a recent report from a Cerebro, under cabarete. He is of Dominican origin who left the island 20 years back. He states that even in the past, that is at least 20 years back, Sosua was still well known. This is why, I think it is useless to worry about the demise of the place.

As long as the hobbyist knows how to behave publicly, and be discreet about something they cannot brag back home about, I cannot imagine anything is going to happen to him / them. Of course, it might be quite different for the NY kind of behavior. Finally, if you can, diversifying out of Sosua, is how you would manage your risk.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1621096]I remember years ago when Classicos would play rock and roll during the weekdays and hip hop on the weekends. Classicos would be mostly euro tourist couples during the weekdays and the young Newyorkers wouldn't roll in till the weekends. What if they changed the music at Classicos and rumbas to be more tourist friendly, would that kill a certain foreign traveling dynamic?

[/QUOTE]No one travels to Sosua to hear a certain kind of music. Bars and discos in Sosua try to attract business and sell drinks, maybe some food, and possibly an admission fee also by providing a place where men can meet chicas. The kind of music played will depend partially on the kind of clientele that is in town, but that can change almost from day to day.

If the music is very loud and the ambience has low lighting, then conversation is impossible and people have to get within touching distance of each other or place their mouth right up against the ear of the person they are speaking to, which can lead to sexual arousal. Also chicas tend to look more attractive when the lights are low and the drinks are flowing.

If the climate is hot, people get more thirsty and more drinks are sold. Dancing makes people hot.

The bars and discos in Sosua could also slightly modify their business plan so as to attract non-mongering tourist business, but it is obviously much harder to profit that way.

There is an old saying in poker playing circles that if you sit down at a table and you cannot see an obvious "mark", then the mark is you. It is a bit like that in Sosua. If the bar seems set up to appeal to you, then as soon as you walk in, you are the target. The most extreme version of this are those "clubs" in Santo Domingo that appear to be set up like a bar with a barman, drinks, and groups of chicas and a few men sitting around--and overpriced drinks. The moment you walk in you are the target of the whole operation. Bars in Sosua work on the same principle. These are not community watering spots, the whole set-up is focused on you and your money, even if that is not immediately apparent.

Drove the Luperon from Santiago to Sosua. Left my date in Santiago around 11:30 pm, barely made it to Sosua before the street shut down. I'm sure this has been discussed before. I just didn't pay attention. Do not believe in your GPS. Don't take the luperon!

[QUOTE=Frannie;1622865]No one travels to Sosua to hear a certain kind of music. Bars and discos in Sosua try to attract business and sell drinks, maybe some food, and possibly an admission fee also by providing a place where men can meet chicas. The kind of music played will depend partially on the kind of clientele that is in town, but that can change almost from day to day.

If the music is very loud and the ambience has low lighting, then conversation is impossible and people have to get within touching distance of each other or place their mouth right up against the ear of the person they are speaking to, which can lead to sexual arousal. Also chicas tend to look more attractive when the lights are low and the drinks are flowing.

If the climate is hot, people get more thirsty and more drinks are sold. Dancing makes people hot.

The bars and discos in Sosua could also slightly modify their business plan so as to attract non-mongering tourist business, but it is obviously much harder to profit that way.

There is an old saying in poker playing circles that if you sit down at a table and you cannot see an obvious "mark", then the mark is you. It is a bit like that in Sosua. If the bar seems set up to appeal to you, then as soon as you walk in, you are the target. The most extreme version of this are those "clubs" in Santo Domingo that appear to be set up like a bar with a barman, drinks, and groups of chicas and a few men sitting around--and overpriced drinks. The moment you walk in you are the target of the whole operation. Bars in Sosua work on the same principle. These are not community watering spots, the whole set-up is focused on you and your money, even if that is not immediately apparent.[/QUOTE]You make my point for me. You won't see the older white golf crowd in Classicos on hip hop night because of the pussy, they will congregate somewhere that is more comfortable to hunt pussy. On the flip end you won't see the hip hop crowd running to Classicos if they only played country western, they will get pussy somewhere else. Young Dominican women are in tune with latin and hip hop music so there is a certain comfort level.

Take Costa Rica for example; the clientele is mostly affluent and white but you won't hear any hardcore hip hop music there hence you won't see many brothers there either. Certain groups congregate where they can experience a certain comfort level while hunting pussy, and the music can play a small part in that, that's my point.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1622899]You make my point for me. You won't see the older white golf crowd in Classicos on hip hop night because of the pussy, they will congregate somewhere that is more comfortable to hunt pussy. On the flip end you won't see the hip hop crowd running to Classicos if they only played country western, they will get pussy somewhere else. Young Dominican women are in tune with latin and hip hop music so there is a certain comfort level.

Take Costa Rica for example; the clientele is mostly affluent and white but you won't hear any hardcore hip hop music there hence you won't see many brothers there either. Certain groups congregate where they can experience a certain comfort level while hunting pussy, and the music can play a small part in that, that's my point.[/QUOTE]Yeah I laugh when Cubadave says he hates Classicos, because he has no game. I want to smack him on his head and say. "What Game" You don't need game to pull a girl from Classicos, all you need is to be a clean person (Hygiene) and have some pesos.

But he still prefers Passions and CMP instead.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1622899] On the flip end you won't see the hip hop crowd running to Classicos if they only played country western, they will get pussy somewhere else. [/QUOTE]No, I think they would become country western aficionados if that was where the pussy was. I am more of a jazz fan, so no one plays the music I like the most in bars, but in La Sirena I don't dislike the music which is mostly instrumental-pop-orchestral versions of popular jazz tunes and movie themes and I have never seen anyone run screaming from La Sirena with their fingers in their ears, or even seen anyone on this board complaining about the music there. If La Sirena had shelves stacked with pussy, the hip-hop crowd would be there grooving to ancient tunes like Frenesi or Perfidia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0iFlw6ba2w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz-n_AuhZC4

Gentlemen the Sosua as we know it is coming to an end. Classical will soon be closed! This squeeze is now in effect you're not allowed to grab girls from front of rumba in a car. You are subject to be pulled over and check to see if the females a prostitute. More later.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1623088]... in La Sirena I don't dislike the music which is mostly instrumental-pop-orchestral versions of popular jazz tunes and movie themes and I have never seen ... anyone on this board complaining about the music there. [/QUOTE]Then let me be the first. In England we call this stuff "lift music" (lift = elevator). What is worse they only have one tape with about twelve tunes which I have been listening to for five years now.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1623274]Gentlemen the Sosua as we know it is coming to an end. Classical will soon be closed! This squeeze is now in effect you're not allowed to grab girls from front of rumba in a car. You are subject to be pulled over and check to see if the females a prostitute. More later.[/QUOTE]When is Classicos closing?

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1623274]Gentlemen the Sosua as we know it is coming to an end. Classical will soon be closed! This squeeze is now in effect you're not allowed to grab girls from front of rumba in a car. You are subject to be pulled over and check to see if the females a prostitute. More later.[/QUOTE]There is nothing worse than a guy who makes broad statements like this and scares everyone and then without backing things up (like your closing statement) and then says "More later". If you have some facts tell us why, but don't tease.

[QUOTE=Bimmy5;1623322]There is nothing worse than a guy who makes broad statements like this and scares everyone and then without backing things up (like your closing statement) and then says "More later". If you have some facts tell us why, but don't tease.[/QUOTE]Relax! He gave a brief intro about things that are happening and he will return soon with more details. He is probably our best on the scene reporter right now so please don't [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] him off.

The changes in Sosua are real. They are trying to change Sosua as a destination for sex tourism to a family tourism destination. The authorities are systematically arresting and deporting the oowners of those best mongering places in Sosua and shutting those places down. Here are some accomplishment from the authorities from just a year. All the owners were charged / accused of promoting sex tourism and some also charged with proxenetismo (pimping) sexual exploitation and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url].

1) September 2014 Italian Armando Cassiati owner of merengue bar and DClassico arrested and deported [URL]http://www.sosuanews.com/index.php?id=3832&article=1[/URL].

2) July 2014 USA Citizen Robert Anechiarico (better known as Bob) owner of Rumba bar arrested and deported [URL]http://www.sosuanews.com/index.php?id=3761&article=1[/URL].

3) July 2013 La Passion German Peter Jensen owner of La Passion arrested [URL]http://latinamericacurrentevents.com/puerto-plata-dominican-republic-2-sentenced-for-sexual-exploitation-of-32-women/28932/[/URL].

[URL]http://www.nicepeoplenetworking.com/2013/la-passions-bar-in-sosua-has-been-closed-by-the-attorney-general%E2%80%99s-office-on-july-21st-2013/[/URL]

4) CubaDave not an owner of a club but was asked by authorities to leave the country for promoting sex tourism [URL]http://www.latintravelvip.com/is-cubadave-too-popular-for-the-dominican-republic/[/URL].

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1623331]Relax! He gave a brief intro about things that are happening and he will return soon with more details. He is probably our best on the scene reporter right now so please don't [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] him off.[/QUOTE]Thank you Mr G. And I understand your frustration Mr be. I have to use my sell your phone for communication. These iPhones are held to type on and I am on vacation. Trying to take advantage of this pussy that's here. I don't have any real hard evidence I'm only sitting and talking to the guys that have been here for a while. I'm talking with King Kong and friends. The gentleman that got deported brought King Kong to the DR. Guys were complaining because they had invested money in buying condos. And now with the deportation of the owner the money is lost. For now classico is open. Business owners on the beach are informing all the customers not talk to the women unless they are buying them something to make it seem like they know each other. We called a young chica to our table and he almost went crazy. We were at the Jamaican restaurant on the beach. He said times are hard and the girls are working with the police and can set you up. He said he has seen it on several occasions and he do not want to be known on the beach at the place where customers go to jail for talking to chica. I thank him for his information but the look in his eyes make me feel paranoid. As I walked away with the chica I felt for the first time as if I'm walking through my sons high school with a girl I just picked up in his first period class. Wondering if I can make it to my car without the princible stopping me and asking her am I her father. We made it to the car with no problems however I notice when we passed the police she ducked her head. As I passed the strip things looked as normal but things are very slow here. Sorry more to come.

In my opinion Sosua is dependent on monger money. Hotels, restaurants and services are dominated by monger dollars. Locals may come on Sundays for family Beach time but they spend very few pesos. However when politician are involved anything can happen. I know there are some upper class folk in the area who are offended BY having putas and mongers invading their town. At the end of the day we need each other.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1623331]Relax! He gave a brief intro about things that are happening and he will return soon with more details. He is probably our best on the scene reporter right now so please don't [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] him off.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1623279]Then let me be the first. In England we call this stuff "lift music" (lift = elevator). What is worse they only have one tape with about twelve tunes which I have been listening to for five years now.[/QUOTE]I could have sworn they had a second tape with Jingle Bells and Feliz Navidad.

standing outside of rumba watching the police walk up the block and the chica rep001ter like roaches. i seen the security staff at rumba warn the girls when the police was coming up the block. inside of room it's packef wall to wall like the rumba of the pass.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1623292]When is Classicos closing?[/QUOTE]I can't tell you when the club is closing. But from my understanding they close Dudes hotels and they're closing the casino for good. I don't know if all of this for certain I'm just telling you what's being said here today.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1623387]I could have sworn they had a second tape with Jingle Bells and Feliz Navidad.[/QUOTE]Yes, you are right. Unless it is the same tape played backwards. Let's see, it's late September. They will start playing that version any day now, and put out all the Christmas trash.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1623370]In my opinion Sosua is dependent on monger money. Hotels, restaurants and services are dominated by monger dollars. Locals may come on Sundays for family Beach time but they spend very few pesos. However when politician are involved anything can happen. I know there are some upper class folk in the area who are offended BY having putas and mongers invading their town. At the end of the day we need each other.[/QUOTE]Of course mongering contributes to the economy of Sosua, but I think you are grossly underestimating the economic impact of the numerous foreign residents in the area with the foreign currency they bring in and the money they spend on goods and services, jobs provided in construction, and so on. It is not the mongering dollar that has drawn another large supermarket, La Pola, to the area to compete with Supermercado Playero, nor is it the mongering dollar that supports several private schools in the area, some of them charging as much as $400 per month.

Clearly the argument could be made that clearing up the festering sores of the sex industry would hugely enhance the desirability of the area for retirement or winter homes for Europeans and those Canadians and Americans who don't care too much for Florida, so that what was lost in mongering dollars would be well compensated for in the long run by attracting more residents and increasing real estate values in an area close to an international airport, fine beaches, pleasant weather and sea breezes all the year round.

[quote=grownman1;1623405]standing outside of rumba watching the police walk up the block and the chica rep001ter like roaches. i seen the security staff at rumba warn the girls when the police was coming up the block. inside of room it's packef wall to wall like the rumba of the pass.[/quote]thanks for the updates.

are you having any issues picking up chicas inside the bar and the disco?

are the police hassling any of the mongers? (walking to and from their hotel with girls).

how do you think this is going to affect the halloween festivities in sosua?

[QUOTE=Frannie;1623427]Clearly the argument could be made that clearing up the festering sores of the sex industry would hugely enhance the desirability of the area for retirement or winter homes for Europeans and those Canadians and Americans who don't care too much for Florida, so that what was lost in mongering dollars would be well compensated for in the long run by attracting more residents and increasing real estate values in an area close to an international airport, fine beaches, pleasant weather and sea breezes all the year round.[/QUOTE]I am not sure whether anyone has actually done any number crunching regarding the economic viability of as you put it "clearing up the festering sores of the sex industry". Obviously, DR being a Catholic country is unwilling to follow the Pattaya business model, where the sex industry gets along just fine with the mongering and regular retirement community. Sosua is nothing special, and DR is not known as the safest or a very desirable place for retirement. For example, Panama, Ecuador and other countries have more to offer to retirees. Annual lists of places to retire come up, and I have not seen DR at the top. If Sosua closes down I personally, will never return to DR. There is so much more out there that is even more appealing. The mongering dollars will just move to other destinations. I just came back from St. Martin and may return there instead of going to Sosua next year. DR's loss will be some other country's gain. I wish the powers to be would take a more measured approach, rather than mowing down businesses. Just my two pesos worth.

If you can't say when it's closing then you can't say if it's closing. Saying THIS IS WHAT I HEAR is meaningless. I hear many things from many different people. That's why you should should never say what's going to happen in Sosua. Nobody knows what's going to happen. As always it could get worse or could get better. There are people fighting on both sides or else closing down would be easy and have already taken place. So I want to know only what is happenig now, because nobody has any certain info about the future.

Every time I agree with Frannie I have to look into a mirror to make sure it's me, but I do think things and Sosua have gotten a bit out of hand. Maybe I'm a little biased because I was initiated into this game with the "old Sosua". I remember a Sosua without hardcore guys and girls. I remember girls who did what you wanted, for how long you wanted, and for how much you wanted to pay. It was all about making your vacation memorable. They wanted a boyfriend, they wanted to introduce you to the family, they wanted to cook you a Domnican meal.

Sosua had couples walkng down the street holding hands or going to the beach. You would see couples eating breakfast at New gardens. Back then you could leave your girl in the room and go bar jumping on the strip and she was happy with the remote and air conditioner. Everyone was smiling and happy back then.

Back then the going rate was what you wanted to pay, now guys start the conversations with "how much?" Now girls say "cien or buy me a beer" before they give you their name. Now girls do two minute blow jobs and 15 minute fucks and beat you back to the starting one. Back then the girls were sweet now you are on the lookout for upcoming bs.

Not so crazy, stupid or ignorant as you might think.

They had planned to offer a cruise with port of call in Maimon, which will include shore excursions for the day or two (overnight stay of ship at port) and (catch this!) extended inland excursions in the country of several days with an option to return on either a scheduled ship for the port or air travel to their final destination.

Unlike stated in the article, passengers opting for that option must do so even before boarding the ship. They must arrange such things with the cruise sales agent.

This will be a depart from inland extended excursions that had either to be carried out prior to boarding the cruise ship or at the end of it, without an option to re-embark to another ship for return.

That's why this port complex is so ground breaking for the cruise line biz.

In order to circumvent policies in the USA That demand cruise passengers embark / return on the same port / ship as they took. The cruises aiming to offer such options will make use of Puerto Rico's own cruise policies. They do allow cruise ships to embark passengers in one port and end their trip at another port if elected.

The DR was selected to introduce this new format of cruise offerings, due to the diversity of options for travelers to select from. From staying a week in Ciudad Colonial and touring the oldest city in the new world, to river rafting, white sandy beaches in Punta Cana, etc.

In order to make this happen, the new four lane road from the new CN in Santiago to Puerto Plata will be taking shape.

A clean-up of Sosua / Puerto Plata is concurrent and undergoing.

As stated "passengers" travel plans for this must be done prior to embarking on the cruise. It will not be selective after the cruise ship departs on the trip and beyond. Unless the passenger decides to terminate their trip and catch the flight home of option, there will not be a catch the next ship on port to go home as described in the article.

If the hardcore monger take their money else where then maybe my Sosua will be back.

Herman sent me this link:

[URL]http://www.domreptotal.com/de/category/reports/2-reportagen/530-fuehrt-die-tourismuspolitik-sosua-in-den-abgrund[/URL]

[QUOTE=Bimmy5;1623758]If you can't say when it's closing then you can't say if it's closing. Saying THIS IS WHAT I HEAR is meaningless. I hear many things from many different people. That's why you should should never say what's going to happen in Sosua. Nobody knows what's going to happen. As always it could get worse or could get better. There are people fighting on both sides or else closing down would be easy and have already taken place. So I want to know only what is happenig now, because nobody has any certain info about the future.[/QUOTE]That's cool Bimmy but I wasn't trying to answer your specific information. I was giving general information from people that live here in Sosua to the board because I was here in Sosua. There are a lot of us that would love to hear any news to what's going on. I know my information sounds frustrating. I was frustrated as well seeing everything changing myself. If it does not fit your entertainment do as I do with Fannie subject of discussions.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1623776]That's cool Bimmy but I wasn't trying to answer your specific information. I was giving general information from people that live here in Sosua to the board because I was here in Sosua. There are a lot of us that would love to hear any news to what's going on. I know my information sounds frustrating. I was frustrated as well seeing everything changing myself. If it does not fit your entertainment do as I do with Fannie subject of discussions.[/QUOTE]GrownMan keep us posted as long as your in town. I'll be there starting this Thursday staying for two weeks and will report my observations as well.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1623785]GrownMan keep us posted as long as your in town. I'll be there starting this Thursday staying for two weeks and will report my observations as well.[/QUOTE]I will heading to Sosua in October, I will give you guys status updates.

I've been here since weds. Its my first time and all in all its what I expected. Plenty of chicas I never had an issue with the police or picking up chicas and I've gotten them from everywhere. They seem to just stroll through the strip. Classicos Thursday Friday and Saturday were like a movie it takes getting used to. I've had issues with chicas, they don't seem to want to leave. The chicas got some weird habits like pissing with door open and not flushing. I've had some of the best sex of my life on this trip. 6 chicas and counting. Full trip report when I leave.

[QUOTE=SteelDh;1623847]I've been here since weds. Its my first time and all in all its what I expected. Plenty of chicas I never had an issue with the police or picking up chicas and I've gotten them from everywhere. They seem to just stroll through the strip. Classicos Thursday Friday and Saturday were like a movie it takes getting used to. I've had issues with chicas, they don't seem to want to leave. The chicas got some weird habits like pissing with door open and not flushing. I've had some of the best sex of my life on this trip. 6 chicas and counting. Full trip report when I leave.[/QUOTE]Great to her a first timer having a blast!

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1623764]

Not so crazy, stupid or ignorant as you might think.

They had planned to offer a cruise with port of call in Maimon, which will include shore excursions for the day or two (overnight stay of ship at port) and (catch this!) extended inland excursions in the country of several days with an option to return on either a scheduled ship for the port or air travel to their final destination.

Unlike stated in the article, passengers opting for that option must do so even before boarding the ship. They must arrange such things with the cruise sales agent.

This will be a depart from inland extended excursions that had either to be carried out prior to boarding the cruise ship or at the end of it, without an option to re-embark to another ship for return.

That's why this port complex is so ground breaking for the cruise line biz.

In order to circumvent policies in the USA That demand cruise passengers embark / return on the same port / ship as they took. The cruises aiming to offer such options will make use of Puerto Rico's own cruise policies. They do allow cruise ships to embark passengers in one port and end their trip at another port if elected.

The DR was selected to introduce this new format of cruise offerings, due to the diversity of options for travelers to select from. From staying a week in Ciudad Colonial and touring the oldest city in the new world, to river rafting, white sandy beaches in Punta Cana, etc.

In order to make this happen, the new four lane road from the new CN in Santiago to Puerto Plata will be taking shape.

A clean-up of Sosua / Puerto Plata is concurrent and undergoing.

As stated "passengers" travel plans for this must be done prior to embarking on the cruise. It will not be selective after the cruise ship departs on the trip and beyond. Unless the passenger decides to terminate their trip and catch the flight home of option, there will not be a catch the next ship on port to go home as described in the article.

If the hardcore monger take their money else where then maybe my Sosua will be back.[/QUOTE]As I said before this can never work. Somebody might have dreamed of this idea and sold the idea. It might have been someone who wants to clean up Sosua. But it could never be functional or profitable.

I know people who have worked with cruise lines. The costs of docking in port are tremendous as was stated here by another poster. The cost of aR / T cruise from S. Fla. to the DR for a 2 night stay would have to be at least 1. 5 G's (USDs). Who would pay that? Plus for longer stays it would be much more than that. Plus most people in the US do not reside in S. Fla. Thus they have to fly to their cruise and then back. The cost of that would be the same as buying a package that would get them directly to the DR. So the cruise would be just a very expensive cost to their travel. Plus a cruise is time consuming and why would people want to waste that time if their purpose is to vacation in the DR. You don't have to take a cruise to tour all the sites you mention.

So this idea might be somebody's pipe dream but there is no market for this. In this day and age there is no way any considerable amount of tourists would arrive in the DR from the US by ship. There could never be enough to make it profitable.

My mistake for that post. I was typing with my iPhone and somehow I mixed an old post with a new post. My apologies to the board.

[quote=steeldh;1623847]the chicas got some weird habits like pissing with door open and not flushing.[/quote]we have discussed this before. i live in a middle-class dominican apartment block alongside small business owners, a lawyer, land owners, a vetinary surgeon, etc. not deluxe, but not a slum either.

in the summer we have to conserve the water supply. the city water only flows an average of two hours a day. after that we have to live off what is stored in our tinacos (rooftop tanks). i was (wrongly) advised to instal a 275 gallon tinaco (should have been at least 400) and some days we used to run out of water until i laid down rules about when to do the washing, and about not flushing just for [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url]. (just pour in a little cloro).

most of the putas will come from homes where water is much scarcer. some poor barrios only get city water three or four times a week with many homes having no storage facility. you will see old water standing around in buckets (which is disastrous with the present outbreak of chikungunya). so if they don't flush after peeing they are just being considerate to you.

not closing the door is a different issue, but remember many guys like to watch so maybe they are being considerate there too!

on my last trip i was in the room with a pretty young non pro. when she got naked i noticed much stuble on her privates. i am sure she did not have the money for shaving the area as much as she would like. these girls live in a very different world then us. we take so much for granite. i think she was enbarassed when i mentioned it. i had shaving products she could have used.

i ran in to several girls on my last trip that were brand new on the strip 2 years ago who are still plying there trade. it is a not an easy life.

[quote=charlespooter;1624037]we have discussed this before. i live in a middle-class dominican apartment block alongside small business owners, a lawyer, land owners, a vetinary surgeon, etc. not deluxe, but not a slum either.

in the summer we have to conserve the water supply. the city water only flows an average of two hours a day. after that we have to live off what is stored in our tinacos (rooftop tanks). i was (wrongly) advised to instal a 275 gallon tinaco (should have been at least 400) and some days we used to run out of water until i laid down rules about when to do the washing, and about not flushing just for [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url]. (just pour in a little cloro).

most of the putas will come from homes where water is much scarcer. some poor barrios only get city water three or four times a week with many homes having no storage facility. you will see old water standing around in buckets (which is disastrous with the present outbreak of chikungunya). so if they don't flush after peeing they are just being considerate to you.

not closing the door is a different issue, but remember many guys like to watch so maybe they are being considerate there too![/quote]

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1624037] Not closing the door is a different issue, but remember many guys like to watch so maybe they are being considerate there too![/QUOTE]In 2011, my second trip ever to Sosua, I stayed at Casa Valeria for two days. One afternoon, just standing out on the pavement in front of the hotel, a young woman passing by asks me if she can use my bathroom. I was like, um, sure! I let her in the room. Show the bathroom to the right and stay out, out of respect for privacy but even after 10 minutes, she does not come out. So, I go in to check and see she is sitting on the pottie with the bathroom door wide open. Curious!

[quote=charlespooter;1624037]we have discussed this before. i live in a middle-class dominican apartment block alongside small business owners, a lawyer, land owners, a vetinary surgeon, etc. not deluxe, but not a slum either.

in the summer we have to conserve the water supply. the city water only flows an average of two hours a day. after that we have to live off what is stored in our tinacos (rooftop tanks). i was (wrongly) advised to instal a 275 gallon tinaco (should have been at least 400) and some days we used to run out of water until i laid down rules about when to do the washing, and about not flushing just for [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url]. (just pour in a little cloro).

most of the putas will come from homes where water is much scarcer. some poor barrios only get city water three or four times a week with many homes having no storage facility. you will see old water standing around in buckets (which is disastrous with the present outbreak of chikungunya). so if they don't flush after peeing they are just being considerate to you.

not closing the door is a different issue, but remember many guys like to watch so maybe they are being considerate there too![/quote]i've wanted to ask about chikungunya but was waiting for somebody to bring it up. what's going on with it on the north coast? the descriptions of months and years of joint pain after an infection seem more intimidating to me than other tropical infections with a higher mortality rate but fewer long term consequences.

is there widespread awareness?

[QUOTE=MarcAnthony;1624195]I've wanted to ask about Chikungunya but was waiting for somebody to bring it up. What's going on with it on the North Coast? The descriptions of months and years of joint pain after an infection seem more intimidating to me than other tropical infections with a higher mortality rate but fewer long term consequences.

Is there widespread awareness?[/QUOTE]I have it, got it about two months ago. Suffered through incredible pain, sick, sick sick. I should have gone for an injection but didn't until a relapse 6 weeks later. This time incredible cramps and joint pain but not total body like the first round. Just about everyone over 50 whom I spoken to has lingering aches and arthritic symptoms in the hands. I still ain't going back.

[QUOTE=RikyRapido;1624550]I have it, got it about two months ago. Suffered through incredible pain, sick, sick sick. I should have gone for an injection but didn't until a relapse 6 weeks later. This time incredible cramps and joint pain but not total body like the first round. Just about everyone over 50 whom I spoken to has lingering aches and arthritic symptoms in the hands. I still ain't going back.[/QUOTE]Last August 2014, I did a lot traveling throughout the DR in guaguas, share taxis or Carritos, and Caribe tours, From Boca Chica, Santo Domingo to La Vega, Santiago, Puerto Plata, Sosua, Cabarete, and Rio Sanjuan and got a chance to speak to many of the local people about the Chikungunya. Nobody knew how to say the word correctly but everyone new about it and many already had it. Many said it was the worst body ache / joint arthritic pain with rash, itch, etc they have in their lives. Even one young hoe I had in Cabarete told me that she had it for 2 weeks and that she was walking like an old lady when she had it. Some local claimed they had it short term and others long term and some for several months. I saw that they were talking in the news about it and some reporters even had to take days off for it. From speaking to the local, that thing was almost like an epidemic early in the year and by the summer there were less reports and less news.

Here is a link with information of the virus.

[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chikungunya[/URL]

I just came back from the war zone and I can tell you that the place (just like this board) is rife with rumours, but for the most part it is business as usual.

I saw no chicas being hassled, no mongers being hassled, and there were enough walking chicas to satisfy everybody.

The big complaint from the locals is the lack of touristas. Right now there's not enough mongers to keep the places open, except for the usual spots.

I spoke to hotel and restaurant owners, and they are all over the place with their opinions.

One thing they agreed upon is that very recently they were warned that unescorted chicas would not be allowed to enter the bars, but they all shrugged their shoulders like, What can we do, the chicas were coming in as we spoke.

It will take some time to see to what degree they will clamp down and enforce these new rules, but for now the politicians (as usual) seem more interested in showing that they are doing something, but actually doing nothing.

There a huge conflict of interest going on there, and the desire to change to local control of the cash cow money pit, which I 've seen before.

Think Hong Kong after the Brits, the Bahamas after independence from the UK, and of course Cuba.

Business still pretty much the same as ever for the monger.

C'mon. Down!

[QUOTE=Oakie;1624616]I just came back from the war zone and I can tell you that the place (just like this board) is rife with rumours, but for the most part it is business as usual.

I saw no chicas being hassled, no mongers being hassled, and there were enough walking chicas to satisfy everybody.

The big complaint from the locals is the lack of touristas. Right now there's not enough mongers to keep the places open, except for the usual spots.

I spoke to hotel and restaurant owners, and they are all over the place with their opinions.

One thing they agreed upon is that very recently they were warned that unescorted chicas would not be allowed to enter the bars, but they all shrugged their shoulders like, What can we do, the chicas were coming in as we spoke.

It will take some time to see to what degree they will clamp down and enforce these new rules, but for now the politicians (as usual) seem more interested in showing that they are doing something, but actually doing nothing.

There a huge conflict of interest going on there, and the desire to change to local control of the cash cow money pit, which I 've seen before.

Think Hong Kong after the Brits, the Bahamas after independence from the UK, and of course Cuba.

Business still pretty much the same as ever for the monger.

C'mon. Down![/QUOTE]I agree Sosua is not ending and will never end. It is pretty much wishful thinking to try to change the culture of that town without any plan or strategy. The Politicians are just hurting the economy of the town on the hookers and the closing of mongering places and arrest of their owners. They don't have a plan for those that work in the bars or the prostitutes. The plan is that family tourism will replace sex turism. Really? They would have to remodel the whole poor town of Sosua and replace the people that live there and all the shacks for families to be attracted to go there. Yes Sosua has a great beach but it is not enough. Besides prostitution is ingrained in the culture of that town.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1624616]I just came back from the war zone and I can tell you that the place (just like this board) is rife with rumours, but for the most part it is business as usual.

I saw no chicas being hassled, no mongers being hassled, and there were enough walking chicas to satisfy everybody.

The big complaint from the locals is the lack of touristas. Right now there's not enough mongers to keep the places open, except for the usual spots.

I spoke to hotel and restaurant owners, and they are all over the place with their opinions.

One thing they agreed upon is that very recently they were warned that unescorted chicas would not be allowed to enter the bars, but they all shrugged their shoulders like, What can we do, the chicas were coming in as we spoke.

It will take some time to see to what degree they will clamp down and enforce these new rules, but for now the politicians (as usual) seem more interested in showing that they are doing something, but actually doing nothing.

There a huge conflict of interest going on there, and the desire to change to local control of the cash cow money pit, which I 've seen before.

Think Hong Kong after the Brits, the Bahamas after independence from the UK, and of course Cuba.

Business still pretty much the same as ever for the monger.

C'mon. Down![/QUOTE]My Friend just landed yesterday. He told me since Classicos is back in full effect. The Prices of these chicas have drop dramatically and is back to normal (1500/2000 Pesos). The Chicas are complaining about lack of tourist, alot of guys are not coming to sosua like that anymore so the days of waiting on a 3000-4000 peso newbie sucker is over. The Talent has also gotten better since the chicas have to pay to come into Classicos. Only the hot girls that know they will catch a date will come to classicos, Its not like Dlatinos where you have all the hood rats, all the hood rat gutta trash will not waste there pesos trying to come into classicos.

Quick update from last Friday (yeah, I only stayed in town one night):

=Less gringos than I've seen before.

-could be due to low season or could be due to CubaDave effect. Don't know.

=6 pm - 8 pm. Most of the action still at Rumba.

-larger number of heavy set women waltzing around.

-very few stunners (by my standards) but since the number of guys were few very little competition between men for the few 8's that were around at that time.

=8 pm - 11 pm. The big chicas, 5's and 6's are slowing being replaced by 7's and 8's.

-Rumba still the center of action but the street itself is getting a larger crowd of both men and chicas.

-Line starts forming at Classicos before 11 and Merengue is getting busy.

=11 pm - 1 am. Classico opens up and the true 8's and 9's start to filter in.

-Most of the people on PC around midnight are crowding the entrance to Classicos.

-Starting at midnight the A-Team of chicas start to flood into the zone.

At this point in the evening, if you've got pesos you can have your pick of top shelf putas because the men were far, FAR outnumbered.

I didn't go inside Classico and this info is probably very familiar to the frequent travelers but overall I have to say that if you are fearful of less women coming to town due to the changes then your fears are NOT justified. At least for now.

The CubaDave effect? It's typically low season this time of year. CubaDave can write all the negative news he wants, it has no affect on many regulars in Sosua. When I first visited Sosua, I did read some of the glowing comments / reviews that CubaDave had written but my decision to go was a personal decision and his literature had nothing to do with it. His comments started to change and there was more negativity. I still went to Sosua. I still had a very good time. And I will still visit Sosua until I decide I'm either tired of it or have just found another location which is as convenient (only an hour and 40 min. Flight from Miami) and offers the best value for my money. I have seen changes sure, but I've been able to adjust to the changes and my experiences have been great. The CD effect is non-existent for me, and while he continues to whine about Sosua in general and pitch other locations as being better (yawn), I'll be enjoying Sosua and adjusting my gameplan as changes happen.

Seems like you had a fairly positive experience for one night even though early on it seems a bit uncertain, the best action is always after 8-9 PM in Sosua anyways and I have not seen a dip in quality at all in the last several months.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1624690]Quick update from last Friday (yeah, I only stayed in town one night):

=Less gringos than I've seen before.

-could be due to low season or could be due to CubaDave effect. Don't know.

=6 pm - 8 pm. Most of the action still at Rumba.

-larger number of heavy set women waltzing around.

-very few stunners (by my standards) but since the number of guys were few very little competition between men for the few 8's that were around at that time.

=8 pm - 11 pm. The big chicas, 5's and 6's are slowing being replaced by 7's and 8's.

-Rumba still the center of action but the street itself is getting a larger crowd of both men and chicas.

-Line starts forming at Classicos before 11 and Merengue is getting busy.

=11 pm - 1 am. Classico opens up and the true 8's and 9's start to filter in.

-Most of the people on PC around midnight are crowding the entrance to Classicos.

-Starting at midnight the A-Team of chicas start to flood into the zone.

At this point in the evening, if you've got pesos you can have your pick of top shelf putas because the men were far, FAR outnumbered.

I didn't go inside Classico and this info is probably very familiar to the frequent travelers but overall I have to say that if you are fearful of less women coming to town due to the changes then your fears are NOT justified. At least for now.[/QUOTE]

En route to Sosua on Caribe I was texting with a non-pro DR Cupid. Mid 20's, taking morning hair style classes and evening english clases. Lives with her mother in Puerta Plata. While on the bus she wanted to meet; we ended up meeting at the Caribe stop in Puerta Plata (I had a ticket to Sosua but figured it wouldn't hurt to get off the bus a little early).

We talked on Skype frequently but this is the first time meeting. Paid $150 pesos for a taxi to her sister's apartment. Her sister (fluent in english) and her friend both work in the tourist industry and share an apartment. Not long afterwards her mother arrived, enjoyed talking and hanging out with them for about 2 hours. She is just learning english so most of the conversation was in Spanish. Took in a goodbye kiss and continued on to Sosua. The apartment wasn't a terrible walk to the public taxi between Puerta Plata and Sosua (50 or 60 pesos, dirt cheap).

The taxi terminated right across from my hotel, Don Antonios. A few things I really like about the Hotel:

1) Its cheap, $38 a night.

2) Its relatively quiet, especially compared to the New Gardens of the world.

3) Its a close location to the strip.

4) Allen the bartender; however unfortunately he was on vacation during my stay.

5) Obie the manager.

Arrived around 9:00 or so, caught most of the Monday Night Football game at Rumbas. Afterwards I went to Club Meringue for a few pre-disco drinks. Went to the disco around 12:30 or so. I really didn't feel like pulling anyone (although the talent level here was the best, ration of 3-1 high quality to guys). This was the ratio on Monday, the ratio actually kept falling out of our favor as the week progressed. I didn't there on Thursday but by the looks of the line the quality was still there, but the number of guys greatly increased; I think the weekend crowd arrived.

As I wasn't looking to pull anything on Monday I did take down a few numbers from some that I thought were particularly attractive. Went to After One after the disco closed, keep in mind this was on a Monday Night. Total number of Guys - 4; normally this would be a good thing. But not including the staff that meant that there were 4 more guys than girls there. Not surprisingly the power there conveniently went out around 3:45 and they closed.

The next day I went back to Puerta Plata to hang out with english class chica for the afternoon. We went to one of those beach bars; the 4th or 5th one in from the start of the malecon (directly across we could see that statue on the island). Made in back in time for a Tuesday beach swim at Susoa Beach, had some dinner and hit the strip. Told one of the contacts from the disco the night before to meet me at the disco tonight. We did some dancing, actually a lot of dancing; and went back down to the Meringue bar for a after dance drink. Felt a good rapport with her, price was $2,500 for the night (2 sessions, night and morning).

After the morning session and a joint shower I went to open the safe and it wasn't responding. Being that the problem appeared electronic no amount of reading the instruction manual was going to help (which is just as well, as I think I locked that in the safe as well). Got dressed, thankfully Obie was down there and the reception, had the skeleton key; turns on the battery went dead. Had a ton of fun with her, wanted to meet her at the beach in the next afternoon, she agreed.

So I am back at my hotel after breakfast and a knock at the door. Who arrives? A girl from my last trip. She stayed a total of 2 days with me last trip, plus a day in Santo Domingo (even gave me a city tour on her motorbike). Apparently she saw me in the public taxi and took a guess that I would be staying at the same place. She comes in, wasn't really ready for a session but she makes the move and I couldn't help myself. She wanted to hang out later but I told her I already had plans. Percent chance I thought this would screw things up later. About the same percentage change of a naked selfie somehow ending up on the internet. After 1,100 pesos she is gone and I await heading to the beach.

11:30 arrived and I head to the beach, so naturally at 12:45 (Dominican time) she arrives; with her Sosua roomate on hand (henceforth to be referred to as the anchor). All in all it wasn't half bad, about 90 minutes or so; a few presidente grandes; some appetizers. We were at the Coral Reef bar, not a half bad place.

I had to run at 2:30 to catch a soccer match, we agreed to meet up later that night at the Disco. After the game I had to catch some afternoon sleep, had dinner and went to the Disco. I was still pretty tired and didn't plan to stay long, which was the economically feasible thing to do as she showed up with the anchor on hand. After one drink each we went back to the hotel for a night and morning session, same price ($2,500). After a joint shower we went for a New Garden breakfast together. She wants to meet again tonight (Thursday) but I said I may be too tired.

I'm off to meet my Puerta Plata gal, went directly to her house in Puerta Plata between her classes. Talked for a while, and had a fantastic session; so much better when you have known each other for a period of time beforehand. Afterwards we went to La Sirena, I took care of a $2,200 grocery shopping bill and we caught a taxi back to her place for another (and unfortunately last; for now anyway) session.

Back in Sosua I caught the Thursday night game (route) at Rumbas. My disco girl and the anchor arrived right at the end, told them I was too tired to do anything tonight. A lie, but it was still early and I didn't want to end up paying multiple rounds of drinks for the night. Afterward the game I went to a walk to the beach (not the public beach); on the way back to PC about a block south of the ice cream shop 4 policias nationales pull up on two bikes. After a short talk and 100 pesos later I am on my way. This was the first time I was ever shaken down in Sosua (or anywhere else in the DR for that matter, this was my 4th trip); I probably could have got away with not paying them but I wasn't going to make a stand on principle for 100 pesos. Went to Merengue bar and talked with Diane the bartender that has worked there since I started coming. Went across the street to Winners Circle to see what has happening, or I should say hear what's happening. Interesting place and music but no really my scene.

Afterwards (3:00) everyone was standing outside the Disco. I really wasn't feeling a session was in store, but ended up pulling a 19 yr old. Generally speaking I avoid them this young as it seems only to attach drama. There wasn't any drama but it wasn't much of a session, no real rapport; very mechanical. Had another morning session and it was the same. Paid her the $2,500 amount and went off to Santo Domingo for the remainder of the trip.

Santo Domingo report coming tomorrow.

Sosua Observations:

1) I really do not see how some of the restaurants are going to make it much longer. Not at this rate anyway, it seems like the only ones who go there are locals and they get next to nothing from the tourist crowd. This may change during weekends; I left on Friday.

2) For as much grief as the NYC crowd gets, I will say one thing in there defense. If it were not for them, at this point there would be no Sosua. Outside of the locals there were very very few people outside of this crowd that were there during the week.

3) It is so much nicer to establish a rapport with the girls before you arrive. If you want to sportf*ck it probably doesn't make much of a difference.

4) I would never do them, especially there; but there are plenty of drugs available. I'm assuming the motorbike drivers aren't Al Pacino fans when they mention Tony Montana to me.

5) Some of the places had a only accompanied ladies signs, however best I could tell this was minimally enforced; if enforced at all.

6) Not a lot of daytime activity, best bet there may be the beach. Or failing that head to a bar and find a seat; it won't take long before you attract attention.

7) I don't know how you guys can go here on multiple week excursions, I get worn out after less than a week.

[QUOTE=Puntz79;1624712]The CubaDave effect? It's typically low season this time of year. CubaDave can write all the negative news he wants, it has no affect on many regulars in Sosua. When I first visited Sosua, I did read some of the glowing comments / reviews that CubaDave had written but my decision to go was a personal decision and his literature had nothing to do with it. His comments started to change and there was more negativity. I still went to Sosua. I still had a very good time. And I will still visit Sosua until I decide I'm either tired of it or have just found another location which is as convenient (only an hour and 40 min. Flight from Miami) and offers the best value for my money. I have seen changes sure, but I've been able to adjust to the changes and my experiences have been great. The CD effect is non-existent for me, and while he continues to whine about Sosua in general and pitch other locations as being better (yawn), I'll be enjoying Sosua and adjusting my gameplan as changes happen.
........[/QUOTE]We give Cuba Dave and others far too much credit for influencing what goes on in places like Sosua. Indeed, I think some guys place far too much importance on their own abilities to influence what goes down. They complain, threaten not to go back, as if a monger can change anything except his own way to spend time.

What I see going down there reminds me of 2 friends I had who did business in the Bahamas. One owned the main taxi business in Freeport and had happily lived there for years. They changed the rules one day and decided not to renew his visa / work / stay permit whatever, and he was forced to sell his business. But there were no takers, because the local mafia politicians made it clear they didn't want any. He was forced to give everything up for basically nothing and move back, broke, to Canada.

The other guy, was sent to Nassau to boost the sales of a national soft drink brand, by reorganizing an old inefficient bottling plant. He took his wife there and bought a house to live there permanently. After two years, when the business was a success he too was given notice to leave.

So when I see the list of all the business people arrested, deported whatever, from Sosua, and they are all foreigners and victims of unpredictable "rule changes" it looks like an old game. The foreigners are making too much money, and the local pols and their friends want in. So they make the "rules". Get rid of the outsiders.

If they are really deporting these foreigners to "clean up" Sosua, and they really do get rid of the prostitution over the next couple years, I'll be happy to eat my words.

There's a bigger game going on here, and it's far above the heads of us mongers, no matter how much "intel" some guys think they have.

So in the meantime I share your great big "yawn", and will like you, continue my happy experiences there.

[QUOTE=Puntz79;1624712]The CubaDave effect? It's typically low season this time of year. CubaDave can write all the negative news he wants, it has no affect on many regulars in Sosua. When I first visited Sosua, I did read some of the glowing comments / reviews that CubaDave had written but my decision to go was a personal decision and his literature had nothing to do with it. His comments started to change and there was more negativity. I still went to Sosua. I still had a very good time. And I will still visit Sosua until I decide I'm either tired of it or have just found another location which is as convenient (only an hour and 40 min. Flight from Miami) and offers the best value for my money. I have seen changes sure, but I've been able to adjust to the changes and my experiences have been great. The CD effect is non-existent for me, and while he continues to whine about Sosua in general and pitch other locations as being better (yawn), I'll be enjoying Sosua and adjusting my gameplan as changes happen.

Seems like you had a fairly positive experience for one night even though early on it seems a bit uncertain, the best action is always after 8-9 PM in Sosua anyways and I have not seen a dip in quality at all in the last several months.[/QUOTE]Fair enough but my only experience in Sosua has been each month of summer 2014 so I've only seen the low season there. I was only in town one night this time so I can't make an overall judgement about last weekend as a whole and Saturday may have picked up a lot, I don't know.

I wonder how many guys that go are veterans with a lot of Sosua experience and how many are first or second timers who may indeed be influenced by CubaDave or other such self promoters. My thought was that the newcomers may have been turned off to Sosua by his rants and that could be one reason why this last Friday was especially slow. I figure those who've been going for years just ignore him. By the way I feel that less dudes and more hungry chicas is wonderful, LOL.

As far as the chicas go, the only difference I noticed before 8pm was a noticeable increase from my other couple of trips this summer in heavy-set girls.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1624690]Quick update from last Friday (yeah, I only stayed in town one night):

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=-I didn't go inside Classico and this info is probably very familiar to the frequent travelers but overall I have to say that if you are fearful of less women coming to town due to the changes then your fears are NOT justified. At least for now.[/QUOTE]Great write up of a timeline as things were happening.

I was there Friday night as well and can confirm your account.

It was my first time in Sosua so I had nothing to compare to, but the number of women there was mind blowing to me.

My apologies to the board I didn't mean to cause panic. After talking with Surfer yesterday; he pointed out how my statement may have been viewed. I have been coming to the DR for 5 to 15 day for the last year and a half. I have made 8 trips to Sosua not including this weekend. So I have seen the changes. The statement I made was not "Sosua is dead" or done. I said say "the Sosua as we know it". Its for the people that come here for the weekend on a regular. Anyone who has been coming here like me may or may no see the same changes. I was just passing the info being say by reliable locals. Mr Gogo and Camero have been trying to get our heads ready for possible changes. I now see and agree with their call for preparations. If you are new you will not notice anything. I also agree with Oakie when he states there a huge conflict of interest going on. Seeing how the employees of Rumba were working with the chicas and not the police. They could clear the streets of chicas and keep them clear, however, they just do an occasional walkthrough.

As far as my trip its was live as usual within the clubs. Not so much action outside. The smaller clubs are really feeling the crunch as I observed this round. Rumba was pack as well as Classico. After one was trying to pull the after 3 am crowd and classico was promoting them. Rumba doesn't charge so its a safe place for many Haitians and Dominicans on the grind. As a result, Rumba stays open a lot longer than usual. Classico is the choice for a lot of classy chicas that think they are too proud to walk the streets. Some chicas think if you pick them up from a club its more respectable and not make them a SW. They like the fact that you have to pay to get in. It separated the classes. Some chicas play both sides of the fence. There was no know problems with anyone walking a chica back to their rooms.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1624942]My apologies to the board I didn't mean to cause panic. After talking with Surfer yesterday; he pointed out how my statement may have been viewed. I have been coming to the DR for 5 to 15 day for the last year and a half. I have made 8 trips to Sosua not including this weekend. So I have seen the changes. The statement I made was not "Sosua is dead" or done. I said say "the Sosua as we know it". Its for the people that come here for the weekend on a regular. Anyone who has been coming here like me may or may no see the same changes. I was just passing the info being say by reliable locals. Mr Gogo and Camero have been trying to get our heads ready for possible changes. I now see and agree with their call for preparations. If you are new you will not notice anything. I also agree with Oakie when he states there a huge conflict of interest going on. Seeing how the employees of Rumba were working with the chicas and not the police. They could clear the streets of chicas and keep them clear, however, they just do an occasional walkthrough.

As far as my trip its was live as usual within the clubs. Not so much action outside. The smaller clubs are really feeling the crunch as I observed this round. Rumba was pack as well as Classico. After one was trying to pull the after 3 am crowd and classico was promoting them. Rumba doesn't charge so its a safe place for many Haitians and Dominicans on the grind. As a result, Rumba stays open a lot longer than usual. Classico is the choice for a lot of classy chicas that think they are too proud to walk the streets. Some chicas think if you pick them up from a club its more respectable and not make them a SW. They like the fact that you have to pay to get in. It separated the classes. Some chicas play both sides of the fence. There was no know problems with anyone walking a chica back to their rooms.[/QUOTE]Good post amigo. From day 1 I've been saying learn Spanish, venture out, and make a new adventure. Some guys have done this and are enjoying the DR to its fullest. Others have based their whole travel resume on Sosua so when they hear about any changes they lose their mnds. I appreciate and disect any info that is posted here because I have resources on the ground that can verify exactly what is happening.

Someone posted recently that the bar owners were instructed to not let girls in without an escort. Those with vision can see where this is going; They eventually will crack down on freelancers walking the street and force the girls to be coupled up. This is a good thing to me because it might bring back the GFE and force girls to lock into guaranteed money over a few days. Naturally the sport fuckers will hate this because they want the option of fucking 5 girls a day.

I really think all this shit is designed to get rid of the hardcore element (guys / girls) that is now prevelant in Sosua. They are trying to gain a little respectability and not be known internationally as the sport fucking Mecca now that Brazil is in transition.

Afterward the game I went to a walk to the beach (not the public beach); on the way back to PC about a block south of the ice cream shop 4 policias nationales pull up on two bikes. After a short talk and 100 pesos later I am on my way. This was the first time I was ever shaken down in Sosua (or anywhere else in the DR for that matter, this was my 4th trip); I probably could have got away with not paying them but I wasn't going to make a stand on principle for 100 pesos.

Sosua Observations:

4) I would never do them, especially there; but there are plenty of drugs available. I'm assuming the motorbike drivers aren't Al Pacino fans when they mention Tony Montana to me.

5) Some of the places had a only accompanied ladies signs, however best I could tell this was minimally enforced; if enforced at all.

Good report sounds like you get around very good with little problems.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1624957]Someone posted recently that the bar owners were instructed to not let girls in without an escort. Those with vision can see where this is going; They eventually will crack down on freelancers walking the street and force the girls to be coupled up. This is a good thing to me because it might bring back the GFE and force girls to lock into guaranteed money over a few days. Naturally the sport fuckers will hate this because they want the option of fucking 5 girls a day.

I really think all this shit is designed to get rid of the hardcore element (guys / girls) that is now prevelant in Sosua. They are trying to gain a little respectability and not be known internationally as the sport fucking Mecca now that Brazil is in transition.[/QUOTE]Mr. Gogo, I'm sure you remember that not too long ago, probably 4 yrs. , the girls had to be escorted into the bars / clubs. I remember girls that I didn't know running up, and grabbing my arm to walk them to Latino's, Classico's etc. , because the Policia would grab them up if they were walking alone. "The more things change, the more they remain the same". Peace.

[QUOTE=Klove48;1625000]Mr. Gogo, I'm sure you remember that not too long ago, probably 4 yrs. , the girls had to be escorted into the bars / clubs. I remember girls that I didn't know running up, and grabbing my arm to walk them to Latino's, Classico's etc. , because the Policia would grab them up if they were walking alone. "The more things change, the more they remain the same". Peace.[/QUOTE]Last weekend I've seen the sign posted on a few of bars escorted chicas only. I've also seen solo chicas walk in and out at their own leisure regardless of the sign being posted.

[QUOTE=shoestrngbgt;1624720]en route to sosua on caribe i was texting with a non-pro dr cupid. Mid 20's, taking morning hair style classes and evening english clases. Lives with her mother in puerta plata. While on the bus she wanted to meet; we ended up meeting at the caribe stop in puerta plata (i had a ticket to sosua but figured it wouldn't hurt to get off the bus a little early).

We talked on skype frequently but this is the first time meeting. Paid $150 pesos for a taxi to her sister's apartment. Her sister (fluent in english) and her friend both work in the tourist industry and share an apartment. Not long afterwards her mother arrived, enjoyed talking and hanging out with them...[/QUOTE]Nice report!

[QUOTE=Klove48;1625000]Mr. Gogo, I'm sure you remember that not too long ago, probably 4 yrs. , the girls had to be escorted into the bars / clubs. I remember girls that I didn't know running up, and grabbing my arm to walk them to Latino's, Classico's etc. , because the Policia would grab them up if they were walking alone. "The more things change, the more they remain the same". Peace.[/QUOTE]Yeah I remember. Also I remember those weren't bad days because girls were offering deals and hiding out in our rooms fucking us silly LOL.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1625026]Last weekend I've seen the sign posted on a few of bars escorted chicas only. I've also seen solo chicas walk in and out at their own leisure regardless of the sign being posted.[/QUOTE]All those restrictions are all nonsense. As far as I know prostitution continues and will continue to be legal. What are they going to do with the massive number of hookers the nonpros and single women that go clubbing and the bars? In the culture many women go to bars colmados discos after work to get a beer after work besides trying to hookup with locals or gringos. What are they going to do arrest them Arrest them? Also any place bar want the women inside cause that is what attract the guys in and we are the ones that sprnd the most. So then what they will do arrest them for going in without a escort? For prostitution? But it's legal. All this is going to do is give More business to pimps who will start scorting them. It's all temporary nonsense.

[QUOTE=ShoeStrngBgt;1624720]En route to Sosua on Caribe I was texting with a non-pro DR Cupid. Mid 20's, taking morning hair style classes and evening english clases. Lives with her mother in Puerta Plata. While on the bus she wanted to meet; we ended up meeting at the Caribe stop in Puerta Plata (I had a ticket to Sosua but figured it wouldn't hurt to get off the bus a little early).

We talked on Skype frequently but this is the first time meeting. Paid $150 pesos for a taxi to her sister's apartment. Her sister (fluent in english) and her friend both work in the tourist industry and share an apartment. Not long afterwards her mother arrived, enjoyed talking and hanging out with them for about 2 hours. She is just learning english so most of the conversation was in Spanish. Took in a goodbye kiss and continued on to Sosua. The apartment wasn't a terrible walk to the public taxi between Puerta Plata and Sosua (50 or 60 pesos, dirt cheap).

The taxi terminated right across from my hotel, Don Antonios. A few things I really like about the Hotel:

1) Its cheap, $38 a night.

2) Its relatively quiet, especially compared to the New Gardens of the world.

3) Its a close location to the strip.

4) Allen the bartender; however unfortunately he was on vacation during my stay.

5) Obie the manager.

Arrived around 9:00 or so, caught most of the Monday Night Football game at Rumbas. Afterwards I went to Club Meringue for a few pre-disco drinks. Went to the disco around 12:30 or so. I really didn't feel like pulling anyone (although the talent level here was the best, ration of 3-1 high quality to guys). This was the ratio on Monday, the ratio actually kept falling out of our favor as the week progressed. I didn't there on Thursday but by the looks of the line the quality was still there, but the number of guys greatly increased; I think the weekend crowd arrived.

As I wasn't looking to pull anything on Monday I did take down a few numbers from some that I thought were particularly attractive. Went to After One after the disco closed, keep in mind this was on a Monday Night. Total number of Guys - 4; normally this would be a good thing. But not including the staff that meant that there were 4 more guys than girls there. Not surprisingly the power there conveniently went out around 3:45 and they closed.

The next day I went back to Puerta Plata to hang out with english class chica for the afternoon. We went to one of those beach bars; the 4th or 5th one in from the start of the malecon (directly across we could see that statue on the island). Made in back in time for a Tuesday beach swim at Susoa Beach, had some dinner and hit the strip. Told one of the contacts from the disco the night before to meet me at the disco tonight. We did some dancing, actually a lot of dancing; and went back down to the Meringue bar for a after dance drink. Felt a good rapport with her, price was $2,500 for the night (2 sessions, night and morning).

After the morning session and a joint shower I went to open the safe and it wasn't responding. Being that the problem appeared electronic no amount of reading the instruction manual was going to help (which is just as well, as I think I locked that in the safe as well). Got dressed, thankfully Obie was down there and the reception, had the skeleton key; turns on the battery went dead. Had a ton of fun with her, wanted to meet her at the beach in the next afternoon, she agreed.

So I am back at my hotel after breakfast and a knock at the door. Who arrives? A girl from my last trip. She stayed a total of 2 days with me last trip, plus a day in Santo Domingo (even gave me a city tour on her motorbike). Apparently she saw me in the public taxi and took a guess that I would be staying at the same place. She comes in, wasn't really ready for a session but she makes the move and I couldn't help myself. She wanted to hang out later but I told her I already had plans. Percent chance I thought this would screw things up later. About the same percentage change of a naked selfie somehow ending up on the internet. After 1,100 pesos she is gone and I await heading to the beach.

11:30 arrived and I head to the beach, so naturally at 12:45 (Dominican time) she arrives; with her Sosua roomate on hand (henceforth to be referred to as the anchor). All in all it wasn't half bad, about 90 minutes or so; a few presidente grandes; some appetizers. We were at the Coral Reef bar, not a half bad place.

I had to run at 2:30 to catch a soccer match, we agreed to meet up later that night at the Disco. After the game I had to catch some afternoon sleep, had dinner and went to the Disco. I was still pretty tired and didn't plan to stay long, which was the economically feasible thing to do as she showed up with the anchor on hand. After one drink each we went back to the hotel for a night and morning session, same price ($2,500). After a joint shower we went for a New Garden breakfast together. She wants to meet again tonight (Thursday) but I said I may be too tired.

I'm off to meet my Puerta Plata gal, went directly to her house in Puerta Plata between her classes. Talked for a while, and had a fantastic session; so much better when you have known each other for a period of time beforehand. Afterwards we went to La Sirena, I took care of a $2,200 grocery shopping bill and we caught a taxi back to her place for another (and unfortunately last; for now anyway) session.

Back in Sosua I caught the Thursday night game (route) at Rumbas. My disco girl and the anchor arrived right at the end, told them I was too tired to do anything tonight. A lie, but it was still early and I didn't want to end up paying multiple rounds of drinks for the night. Afterward the game I went to a walk to the beach (not the public beach); on the way back to PC about a block south of the ice cream shop 4 policias nationales pull up on two bikes. After a short talk and 100 pesos later I am on my way. This was the first time I was ever shaken down in Sosua (or anywhere else in the DR for that matter, this was my 4th trip); I probably could have got away with not paying them but I wasn't going to make a stand on principle for 100 pesos. Went to Merengue bar and talked with Diane the bartender that has worked there since I started coming. Went across the street to Winners Circle to see what has happening, or I should say hear what's happening. Interesting place and music but no really my scene.

Afterwards (3:00) everyone was standing outside the Disco. I really wasn't feeling a session was in store, but ended up pulling a 19 yr old. Generally speaking I avoid them this young as it seems only to attach drama. There wasn't any drama but it wasn't much of a session, no real rapport; very mechanical. Had another morning session and it was the same. Paid her the $2,500 amount and went off to Santo Domingo for the remainder of the trip.

Santo Domingo report coming tomorrow.

Sosua Observations:

1) I really do not see how some of the restaurants are going to make it much longer. Not at this rate anyway, it seems like the only ones who go there are locals and they get next to nothing from the tourist crowd. This may change during weekends; I left on Friday.

2) For as much grief as the NYC crowd gets, I will say one thing in there defense. If it were not for them, at this point there would be no Sosua. Outside of the locals there were very very few people outside of this crowd that were there during the week.

3) It is so much nicer to establish a rapport with the girls before you arrive. If you want to sportf*ck it probably doesn't make much of a difference.

4) I would never do them, especially there; but there are plenty of drugs available. I'm assuming the motorbike drivers aren't Al Pacino fans when they mention Tony Montana to me.

5) Some of the places had a only accompanied ladies signs, however best I could tell this was minimally enforced; if enforced at all.

6) Not a lot of daytime activity, best bet there may be the beach. Or failing that head to a bar and find a seat; it won't take long before you attract attention.

7) I don't know how you guys can go here on multiple week excursions, I get worn out after less than a week.[/QUOTE]I enjoyed the report, with all the details. The only thing wrong is your handle. Shoe string Budget. Looks to me like you like to get around and that don't come cheap :)

Like you say, the normal restaurants are having a hard time, but after all, it's low season, hurricane season and damned hot right now. They will hang in till the crowd comes back.

I generally enjoy the NY crowd, they come for a good time and one on one they are very friendly and open. I never saw any unescorted chica signs, but maybe I just didn't notice.

I was out on the strip most days and every day saw some seriously hot young "early birds" that I would have taken if I was not busy. I can't comment on Classicos, or the beach, because I never got there, but Viagra Man "Sunshine" says it has gone upscale (VIP, bottle service crowd) since I was last there. He was trying to promote FOD, so I assume that's still happening. As for Tony Montana, I usually avoid him when I can, but on a ride back to the hotel, he had an impressive list of everything you could want.

Like you say, a week down there is a long time, but I'm always ready to go back. Coming out of that small airport on arrival is really sweet.

Excellent report from ShoeStrngBgt. I would expect nothing less from a soccer fan.

This is the sort of stuff that is helpful to newbies wondering whether to take the plunge.

Throwback thrusday.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1624730]We give Cuba Dave and others far too much credit for influencing what goes on in places like Sosua. Indeed, I think some guys place far too much importance on their own abilities to influence what goes down. They complain, threaten not to go back, as if a monger can change anything except his own way to spend time.

What I see going down there reminds me of 2 friends I had who did business in the Bahamas. One owned the main taxi business in Freeport and had happily lived there for years. They changed the rules one day and decided not to renew his visa / work / stay permit whatever, and he was forced to sell his business. But there were no takers, because the local mafia politicians made it clear they didn't want any. He was forced to give everything up for basically nothing and move back, broke, to Canada.

The other guy, was sent to Nassau to boost the sales of a national soft drink brand, by reorganizing an old inefficient bottling plant. He took his wife there and bought a house to live there permanently. After two years, when the business was a success he too was given notice to leave.

So when I see the list of all the business people arrested, deported whatever, from Sosua, and they are all foreigners and victims of unpredictable "rule changes" it looks like an old game. The foreigners are making too much money, and the local pols and their friends want in. So they make the "rules". Get rid of the outsiders.

If they are really deporting these foreigners to "clean up" Sosua, and they really do get rid of the prostitution over the next couple years, I'll be happy to eat my words.

There's a bigger game going on here, and it's far above the heads of us mongers, no matter how much "intel" some guys think they have.

So in the meantime I share your great big "yawn", and will like you, continue my happy experiences there.[/QUOTE]This was the exact same thing the guys at the table were talking about in reference to the guy being deported and losing all of his investments. King Kong himself has retired yet sublease 2 condos. Anyone thinking about investing a lot of money in DR is crazy. Why don't you buy a house and move there is what my friends ask me. At any given time I'm headed to Delta for a one way to the US when a problem occurs. I won't be able to get a hundred thousand dollar house investment in my pocket or pass US Customs. No I will just buy memories.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1625374]This was the exact same thing the guys at the table were talking about in reference to the guy being deported and losing all of his investments. King Kong himself has retired yet sublease 2 condos. Anyone thinking about investing a lot of money in DR is crazy. Why don't you buy a house and move there is what my friends ask me. At any given time I'm headed to Delta for a one way to the US when a problem occurs. I won't be able to get a hundred thousand dollar house investment in my pocket or pass US Customs. No I will just buy memories.[/QUOTE]The Dominicans seem to have an endless supply of suckers who want to invest in the DR. It's like Charles said" they might not get you next week or next year but eventually they will get you". This is directed at the big time investor and the broke ex pat that can barely buy a beer.

I'm wondering what now happens to Sosua bay hotel, it such a beautiful piece of property. I'm guessing Armondo will fight tooth and nail to save his interest in the hotel. If you really think about it; that hotel is the center piece of Sosua. Any major development of Sosua and the beach will have to take Sosua bay into consideration. My point is you can't let it become some rundown eyesore.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1625374]This was the exact same thing the guys at the table were talking about in reference to the guy being deported and losing all of his investments. King Kong himself has retired yet sublease 2 condos. Anyone thinking about investing a lot of money in DR is crazy. Why don't you buy a house and move there is what my friends ask me. At any given time I'm headed to Delta for a one way to the US when a problem occurs. I won't be able to get a hundred thousand dollar house investment in my pocket or pass US Customs. No I will just buy memories.[/QUOTE]It's an old game, but my point was that at our level we don't have to be concerned with it.

I'm sure we could live down there quite comfortably without a problem.

Unless you are thinking of investing in a high profile money making tax free enterprise you can relax.

It's all about money.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1625383]The Dominicans seem to have an endless supply of suckers who want to invest in the DR. It's like Charles said" they might not get you next week or next year but eventually they will get you". This is directed at the big time investor and the broke ex pat that can barely buy a beer.

I'm wondering what now happens to Sosua bay hotel, it such a beautiful piece of property. I'm guessing Armondo will fight tooth and nail to save his interest in the hotel. If you really think about it; that hotel is the center piece of Sosua. Any major development of Sosua and the beach will have to take Sosua bay into consideration. My point is you can't let it become some rundown eyesore.[/QUOTE]I just came back from Sosua and I stayed at The Victorian House, according from someone in the 'know' Armondo didn't own the hotel. . key role player. YES. Owner. NO. The hotel is running as usual. They are also in the process of doing some major upgrades to the hotel from the rooms to the phone / video system. When I was there they opened up the bar under the restaurant as a Sports Bar. Really cozy and cool.

Well guys I'm in DR right now and I can say everything is mostly exaggerated. The action is in rumbas and Classicos.

Right now it's a buyers market. Everything is extremely slow and the talent is extremely weak. This is my 15th time going to DR.

And I can tell you there's a lot of gutter trash. The really hot girls go to Classicos at night. I can tell you this is the first night in DR.

That I did not even bring a chica to my hotel. I don't know maybe I'm getting old or I have been to DR to many times. Or it's low season. But the talent is extremely wack. Nothing but fat and big belly. Some of these Dominican girls can make themselves look 100 x times better if they work out in the gym. DR women are extremely lazy when it comes to there body. They nothing like the Brazilians or Colombians.

Also a lot of these girls are quoting per hour? Anyways I will keep you guys posted on more info. I leave on Wednesday.

And also take my words with a grain of salt. If your a newbie. But for you veterans this has to be the worst dr trip ever. I only been here 3 days and I already want to go home.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1625624]I don't know maybe I'm getting old or I have been to DR to many times. Or it's low season. But the talent is extremely wack. Nothing but fat and big belly. [/QUOTE]I would break out the psychology on them and when they gave me a price of x pesos, I would say you are too fat to get x pesos. The most I will give you x-y pesos.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1625624]Well guys I'm in DR right now and I can say everything is mostly exaggerated. The action is in rumbas and Classicos.

Right now it's a buyers market. Everything is extremely slow and the talent is extremely weak. This is my 15th time going to DR.

And I can tell you there's a lot of gutter trash. The really hot girls go to Classicos at night. I can tell you this is the first night in DR.

That I did not even bring a chica to my hotel. I don't know maybe I'm getting old or I have been to DR to many times. Or it's low season. But the talent is extremely wack. Nothing but fat and big belly. Some of these Dominican girls can make themselves look 100 x times better if they work out in the gym. DR women are extremely lazy when it comes to there body. They nothing like the Brazilians or Colombians.

Also a lot of these girls are quoting per hour? Anyways I will keep you guys posted on more info. I leave on Wednesday.

And also take my words with a grain of salt. If your a newbie. But for you veterans this has to be the worst dr trip ever. I only been here 3 days and I already want to go home.[/QUOTE]The worst trip ever wow! I was thinking about traveling back up to this weekend. I guess I will stay here on the south coast. Going to give La Romana and SP a run.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1625756]I would break out the psychology on them and when they gave me a price of x pesos, I would say you are too fat to get x pesos. The most I will give you x-y pesos.[/QUOTE]LOL does that work. Mr E I'm going to pick up my "don't ask me for shit" shirt today in Spanish.

Stopped by Bar Central last night about 9 PM and there was a sign saying that no un-escorted women were allowed inside. The place was literally empty which typically is not the case on a Friday night at this time. I asked the bouncer at the door what this was all about and was informed that they didn't want several women hanging around inside the bar all the time with a few males inside. I really couldn't understand him well and I'm assuming that the signage was not something initiated by the owner. Seems very strange as though pressure is being put on Bar Central by somebody, and why aren't there any signs like that posted at Rumbas. Anybody know what this is all about?

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1626181]Stopped by Bar Central last night about 9 PM and there was a sign saying that no un-escorted women were allowed inside. The place was literally empty which typically is not the case on a Friday night at this time. I asked the bouncer at the door what this was all about and was informed that they didn't want several women hanging around inside the bar all the time with a few males inside. I really couldn't understand him well and I'm assuming that the signage was not something initiated by the owner. Seems very strange as though pressure is being put on Bar Central by somebody, and why aren't there any signs like that posted at Rumbas. Anybody know what this is all about?[/QUOTE]Just speculation as I am not there but could it be that the owner or manager is trying to take a pro-active stance to avoid winding up like some of his neighbors?

[QUOTE=Phuquer;1626221]Just speculation as I am not there but could it be that the owner or manager is trying to take a pro-active stance to avoid winding up like some of his neighbors?[/QUOTE]If the owner of the bar has no business he will land up like his neighbors. I did notice a sign today at Rumbas but it said no arms, drugs, or inappropriate attire allowed. No mention of un-accompanied females allowed inside though.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1626181]Stopped by Bar Central last night about 9 PM and there was a sign saying that no un-escorted women were allowed inside. The place was literally empty which typically is not the case on a Friday night at this time. I asked the bouncer at the door what this was all about and was informed that they didn't want several women hanging around inside the bar all the time with a few males inside. I really couldn't understand him well and I'm assuming that the signage was not something initiated by the owner. Seems very strange as though pressure is being put on Bar Central by somebody, and why aren't there any signs like that posted at Rumbas. Anybody know what this is all about?[/QUOTE]This is one of the bars I was talking about previously however last week the sign was not in enforced. Bar central is a 95% Haiti puta chill zone. Nuff said. If any business gets messed with they will be the first.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1626562]This is one of the bars I was talking about previously however last week the sign was not in enforced. Bar central is a 95% Haiti puta chill zone. Nuff said. If any business gets messed with they will be the first.[/QUOTE]Sounds reasonable, but if it is true it is too bad. I love the Haitians. They have been the highlights of my last two visits to Sosua.

[QUOTE=ChiefJustice;1625554]I just came back from Sosua and I stayed at The Victorian House, according from someone in the 'know' Armondo didn't own the hotel. . key role player. YES. Owner. NO. The hotel is running as usual. They are also in the process of doing some major upgrades to the hotel from the rooms to the phone / video system. When I was there they opened up the bar under the restaurant as a Sports Bar. Really cozy and cool.[/QUOTE]Sosua Bay, Topacio Azul Bay, or Victorian House, depending on who is leasing the property from "Armando" has been talking about remodeling for the last 5 years. Just Google the 3 names and you'll get an idea of that property's bullshit. Guests have been evicted in the past without notice, when he govt. Has shut it down and guests had to find another hotel without a refund. You get no refund when you pay cash. The credit card fee is 18% to discourage using them. When I did stay there I use a credit card so I could report them and get a refund if they closed while I'm there or if service sucked. Service sucked because of water issues. You either had no water, cold water or a water leak. Also the bathtubs don't drain well, so you're standing in muck while showering.

Security is also weak. The girls know this, because many have been through there. The security at night is in the lobby, which is a long walk to your room in another building. If you have a crazy girl in your room, there is no phone to call for security. A taxi driver once came to my room during the day unannounced to inquire if I needed a taxi to the airport. Wrong day dude, but who let you walk to my door? I could've had a beef with this guy and now he's at my door. My final word on the Victorian House, you can do better. So stay at your own risk. Plus the staff is lazy. Very lazy. And why did they close the big gate that's directly in front of the Victorian House to have you walk from the lobby and across the property yo your room. Arriving or leaving, that's a long walk, either with your luggage or with a chica. I am usually suspect of someone who comes on ISG to pump up a hotel or other business. Warning people is one thing but pumping it up is another. It's either a hotel employee or someone getting an accommodation discount who is marketing a rotten hotel.

[QUOTE=IpanemaCarioca;1626614]Sosua Bay, Topacio Azul Bay, or Victorian House, depending on who is leasing the property from "Armando" has been talking about remodeling for the last 5 years. Just Google the 3 names and you'll get an idea of that property's bullshit. Guests have been evicted in the past without notice, when he govt. Has shut it down and guests had to find another hotel without a refund. You get no refund when you pay cash. The credit card fee is 18% to discourage using them. When I did stay there I use a credit card so I could report them and get a refund if they closed while I'm there or if service sucked. Service sucked because of water issues. You either had no water, cold water or a water leak. Also the bathtubs don't drain well, so you're standing in muck while showering.

Security is also weak. The girls know this, because many have been through there. The security at night is in the lobby, which is a long walk to your room in another building. If you have a crazy girl in your room, there is no phone to call for security. A taxi driver once came to my room during the day unannounced to inquire if I needed a taxi to the airport. Wrong day dude, but who let you walk to my door? I could've had a beef with this guy and now he's at my door. My final word on the Victorian House, you can do better. So stay at your own risk. Plus the staff is lazy. Very lazy. And why did they close the big gate that's directly in front of the Victorian House to have you walk from the lobby and across the property yo your room. Arriving or leaving, that's a long walk, either with your luggage or with a chica. I am usually suspect of someone who comes on ISG to pump up a hotel or other business. Warning people is one thing but pumping it up is another. It's either a hotel employee or someone getting an accommodation discount who is marketing a rotten hotel.[/QUOTE]I stayed there again a couple of months ago:

-When I arrived they had no record of my reservation.

-One of the clerks told me "just a minute". An hour later after waiting in the big lobby I walked to the desk and asked what was up. They looked at me as if they'd never seen me before. I could have sat in the lobby for 7 hours without any help.

-They took my ID to "photocopy". Then they "forgot" to return it to me. Twice.

-The walk from the lobby to my room on the sub-basement level was not too much shorter than it would have been to walk to Classicos!

-I cut open my big toe badly on one of the drainage grates near my room.

But, hey!. Nice view of the Bay, huh?

Take it for what it's worth. Not plugging a business for any personal gain. I stayed at the Hotel Sea Breeze last week. I didn't have a reservation and waltzed right in past 2 am. For US $40 it gets the job done. Hot water, air conditioning, cable tv. Security wise. They have a gate too where I could park my rental car behind. They did a reasonably good job at keeping the girls' cedulas. First morning I just sent the girl home but they wouldn't release her cedula until I came out to where they could see me to give the ok. The only thing is you have to pay for the day upfront. Wasn't a problem for me, they didn't place a hold on my credit card or anything. And if the first night didn't work out, I could always leave. Sure you don't get any picturesque views, nor do you get any sea breeze, AT ALL.

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1626691]Take it for what it's worth. Not plugging a business for any personal gain. I stayed at the Hotel Sea Breeze last week. I didn't have a reservation and waltzed right in past 2 am. For US $40 it gets the job done. Hot water, air conditioning, cable tv. Security wise. They have a gate too where I could park my rental car behind. They did a reasonably good job at keeping the girls' cedulas. First morning I just sent the girl home but they wouldn't release her cedula until I came out to where they could see me to give the ok. The only thing is you have to pay for the day upfront. Wasn't a problem for me, they didn't place a hold on my credit card or anything. And if the first night didn't work out, I could always leave. Sure you don't get any picturesque views, nor do you get any sea breeze, AT ALL.[/QUOTE]I stayed there a few years ago and Jihad was very nice. The safe wasn't a wall safe it was one of those cheap mobile safes. The problem I had was that they paid too much attention to the girls I brought in, they were practically slobbing on themselves. I like a hotel where they mind their biz more. It's a basic place, but I would rather pay a little more and have a better safe and breakfast. Respectfully speaking Sir but you should always get in the habit of walking girls out, it protects the guests and the property while ensuing that you are safe. The last thing anyone needs is a their turned loose that you brought in and didn't supervise properly.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1626656]I stayed there again a couple of months ago:

-When I arrived they had no record of my reservation.

-One of the clerks told me "just a minute". An hour later after waiting in the big lobby I walked to the desk and asked what was up. They looked at me as if they'd never seen me before. I could have sat in the lobby for 7 hours without any help.

-They took my ID to "photocopy". Then they "forgot" to return it to me. Twice.

-The walk from the lobby to my room on the sub-basement level was not too much shorter than it would have been to walk to Classicos!

-I cut open my big toe badly on one of the drainage grates near my room.

But, hey!. Nice view of the Bay, huh?[/QUOTE]Lou, it's a shame that a hotel with that view is so lame. The girls behind the desk are complete airheads. They have no professional hotel skills. When at the Terra Linda and other hotels on that level you get competency. Even the male help sit around the lobby in uniform and lounge as if they were the guest. And that sorry restaurant that sells so-called New Orleans creole food, who thought of that. And when the place is suppose to close at 11 am it closes at 10:30 pm. Like I said, I love the view of the bay from the room, but it's not cool when the water in the hoe is off half the day without warning, causing you and the girl you had over to sit around the room funky. Then i had to walk to that Classico distance funky to the front desk to see all the staff having a conversation about none hotel related stuff. When I told on of them that the water is off, the said it's on. WTF, so I walked to the front desk to lie to you about the water?

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1626691]Take it for what it's worth. Not plugging a business for any personal gain. I stayed at the Hotel Sea Breeze last week. I didn't have a reservation and waltzed right in past 2 am. For US $40 it gets the job done. Hot water, air conditioning, cable tv. Security wise. They have a gate too where I could park my rental car behind. They did a reasonably good job at keeping the girls' cedulas. First morning I just sent the girl home but they wouldn't release her cedula until I came out to where they could see me to give the ok. The only thing is you have to pay for the day upfront. Wasn't a problem for me, they didn't place a hold on my credit card or anything. And if the first night didn't work out, I could always leave. Sure you don't get any picturesque views, nor do you get any sea breeze, AT ALL.[/QUOTE]I thought the Sea Breeze was straight it was my first hotel. I went there back to back. However 1st time at Europa for the same price and it was a rap. SB was too open and the layout is like a college dorm.

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1626691] Sure you don't get any picturesque views, nor do you get any sea breeze, AT ALL.[/QUOTE]I loved that. Classy tongue in cheek!

[QUOTE=Lou32;1626656]I stayed there again a couple of months ago:

-When I arrived they had no record of my reservation.

-One of the clerks told me "just a minute". An hour later after waiting in the big lobby I walked to the desk and asked what was up. They looked at me as if they'd never seen me before. I could have sat in the lobby for 7 hours without any help.

-They took my ID to "photocopy". Then they "forgot" to return it to me. Twice.

-The walk from the lobby to my room on the sub-basement level was not too much shorter than it would have been to walk to Classicos!

-I cut open my big toe badly on one of the drainage grates near my room.

But, hey!. Nice view of the Bay, huh?[/QUOTE]Hello Lou,

I am one of the people who run Victorian House. I apologize for the mix up about your reservation. It sounds like because they did not have a reservation, they put you in a free room on the bottom level.

Could you send me an email [blue][Email address deleted by Admin][/blue] I would like to address your concerns and figure out how we can prevent this from happening in the future.

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[QUOTE=IpanemaCarioca;1626614]Sosua Bay, Topacio Azul Bay, or Victorian House, depending on who is leasing the property from "Armando" has been talking about remodeling for the last 5 years. Just Google the 3 names and you'll get an idea of that property's bullshit. Guests have been evicted in the past without notice, when he govt. Has shut it down and guests had to find another hotel without a refund. You get no refund when you pay cash. The credit card fee is 18% to discourage using them. When I did stay there I use a credit card so I could report them and get a refund if they closed while I'm there or if service sucked. Service sucked because of water issues. You either had no water, cold water or a water leak. Also the bathtubs don't drain well, so you're standing in muck while showering.

Security is also weak. The girls know this, because many have been through there. The security at night is in the lobby, which is a long walk to your room in another building. If you have a crazy girl in your room, there is no phone to call for security. A taxi driver once came to my room during the day unannounced to inquire if I needed a taxi to the airport. Wrong day dude, but who let you walk to my door? I could've had a beef with this guy and now he's at my door. My final word on the Victorian House, you can do better. So stay at your own risk. Plus the staff is lazy. Very lazy. And why did they close the big gate that's directly in front of the Victorian House to have you walk from the lobby and across the property yo your room. Arriving or leaving, that's a long walk, either with your luggage or with a chica. I am usually suspect of someone who comes on ISG to pump up a hotel or other business. Warning people is one thing but pumping it up is another. It's either a hotel employee or someone getting an accommodation discount who is marketing a rotten hotel.[/QUOTE]Hello Ipanema,

I am a part of the company that runs Victorian House. We never have anybody come on any message board and post without properly identifying themselves as affiliated with the Hotel.

The hotel tax in the Dominican republic is actually 23%. You can google this to confirm. We charge 18% when using a credit card. You normally find a charge between 18% and 28% when using a credit card in a hotel in the Dominican Republic. Some places waive this charge when paying cash.

Since we opened up the original reception, we added guest services to help guest with their bags to their room.

I just realized that I am not allowed to post an email address. Please send me an email. I strive to not have an unsatisfied customer and would like to address your concerns.

Looking back at my latest trip a couple weeks ago, I was thinking about the "changes" guys are reporting, and why I still go back.

First of all it's an overall environment where mongers are generally welcomed, and that's a big deal.

Hotel owners, bar and restaurant owners and staff are happy to see you there, spending your money, and will go out of their way to keep you coming back, even though you are there with a chica one third your age, they still treat you like a VIP.

Cops don't hassle you on the street, they seem to have their own agenda (crowd control, public decency, drunkenness, unhelmeted motoconcho drivers etc) and the average monger is not on their list as long as he behaves well. If you drive you may get scammed by the cops, but it's usually minor and a few pesos out of your pocket.

Of all the places I have looked for sex, Sosua is unique in enabling and facilitating my experience. A great choice of cheap women, cheap hotels, friendly faces, its all there.

They could easily reverse all this.

We have all seen formerly wide open places that got "cleaned up". All of a sudden there's a disapproval, a different vibe and eyes watching you, and you feel vulnerable and at risk.

If Sosua is going to change, it could be quite easy, and it would be the mongers who first get to feel they are not welcome.

I don't think they are ready to do that.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1627184]
Of all the places I have looked for sex, Sosua is unique in enabling and facilitating my experience. A great choice of cheap women, cheap hotels, friendly faces, its all there.



[/QUOTE]Good report.

[QUOTE=DQuick;1627029]Hello Ipanema,

I am a part of the company that runs Victorian House. We never have anybody come on any message board and post without properly identifying themselves as affiliated with the Hotel.

The hotel tax in the Dominican republic is actually 23%. You can google this to confirm. We charge 18% when using a credit card. You normally find a charge between 18% and 28% when using a credit card in a hotel in the Dominican Republic. Some places waive this charge when paying cash.

Since we opened up the original reception, we added guest services to help guest with their bags to their room.

I just realized that I am not allowed to post an email address. Please send me an email. I strive to not have an unsatisfied customer and would like to address your concerns.[/QUOTE]If the standard hotel tax is 23%, you charge 18% and several other Sosua hotels I know charge 8% to use a credit card, guest what, you're too high for Sosua. Plus you never addressed the other issues I mentioned. Besides, your rooms are outdated and your television are old and do not work. On a rainy day I might want to chill for a few hours in the privacy of my room watch sports or the news, and your 1975 RCA ain't allowing that to happen. Apparently you folks at the Victorian House do not believe in upgrades. Yeah you might have a remodeled bath room or two, but maybe two. And most important, your security sucks. One day a security guard came to my door during the day I was checking in to tell me two skanks who saw me exit the taxi at the gate want to see me. What kinda security is that?

That property was a great place when it had the side door on the beach open, all you can eat buffet breakfast and all the bars open, especially bar outside the lobby. Now that property makes false promises about upgrades. That place will never be the same. I first stayed there in 2010, and it has gone down hill. All the Victorian House depends on is the view of the bay. But it's very close to being like that abandoned resort next to Charmicos that you can see from Victorian House. One day I was looking across the bay and I said that will soon be Victorian House, abandoned and empty.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1627184]Looking back at my latest trip a couple weeks ago, I was thinking about the "changes" guys are reporting, and why I still go back.

First of all it's an overall environment where mongers are generally welcomed, and that's a big deal.

Hotel owners, bar and restaurant owners and staff are happy to see you there, spending your money, and will go out of their way to keep you coming back, even though you are there with a chica one third your age, they still treat you like a VIP.

Cops don't hassle you on the street, they seem to have their own agenda (crowd control, public decency, drunkenness, unhelmeted motoconcho drivers etc) and the average monger is not on their list as long as he behaves well. If you drive you may get scammed by the cops, but it's usually minor and a few pesos out of your pocket.

Of all the places I have looked for sex, Sosua is unique in enabling and facilitating my experience. A great choice of cheap women, cheap hotels, friendly faces, its all there.

They could easily reverse all this.
.[/QUOTE]I totally agree! The same go for BC.

I enjoy planning my trips but the great thing about Sosua it is not necessary. It is an automatic good time. Women will find and fuck you with no effort. Everywhere I go in Sosua I feel comfortable. It is truly a different world.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1627351]I totally agree! The same go for BC.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1625624]Well guys I'm in DR right now and I can say everything is mostly exaggerated. The action is in rumbas and Classicos.

Right now it's a buyers market. Everything is extremely slow and the talent is extremely weak. This is my 15th time going to DR.

And I can tell you there's a lot of gutter trash. The really hot girls go to Classicos at night. I can tell you this is the first night in DR.

That I did not even bring a chica to my hotel. I don't know maybe I'm getting old or I have been to DR to many times. Or it's low season. But the talent is extremely wack. Nothing but fat and big belly. Some of these Dominican girls can make themselves look 100 x times better if they work out in the gym. DR women are extremely lazy when it comes to there body. They nothing like the Brazilians or Colombians.

Also a lot of these girls are quoting per hour? Anyways I will keep you guys posted on more info. I leave on Wednesday.

And also take my words with a grain of salt. If your a newbie. But for you veterans this has to be the worst dr trip ever. I only been here 3 days and I already want to go home.[/QUOTE]Maybe they are becoming more and more Americans.

They claim that prostitution clothes tourist areas in the province of Puerto Plata.

I read this article in Puerto Plata Digital, were they said most of the foreigners who owned business were pimps. This was my response to that article:

Don't blame the establishments, because you would have to blame the country. I have been to Sosua and other parts of the Dominican Republic. When you have an environment that doesn't promote any kind of advancement for it's people this is what you get. Now you tell these women that they can't make any kind of income. Most of these women will tell you that they didn't choose this kind of work. But it is better than starving. So what they will do is go to another part of the DR and start it all over again. What they wanted in Sosua and Cabarete is the cruise ship income. But that won't replace the income lost in the long run. Most of these women were lucky to make $50 dollars a week. They called those men pimps, but what are they called in Santiago, Santo Domingo & Punta Cana. This was very stupid because the person who started this crackdown didn't have a plan for the women who are now basically unemployed, no matter what their positions were. No matter what kind a work a person is doing, I am a firm believer in not taking food off a persons plate. Especially if that person might have a child at home.

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1627397]Maybe they are becoming more and more Americans.[/QUOTE]I wish that was the case then we can justify making them clock in and out. Short sessions no full pay. I think it was Mr Gogo that explain this before. The street chicas in SD ran there country cousins out of Sosua and back to Puerto Plata. The chicas in PP didn't play the time game. They gave you the GFE and stay with you the hold time you were on vacation. When SD chica took over, they played the game like they do in there hood. Quick fucks for quick money. I use to be 2 hours short or all night. The chicas have recently add the 1 hour instead of 2 hour trying to be smart. If I am in DR and a chica is asking how much time you want, I know its more than likely she is from SD. I don't recall BC, LR, or SP ever asking that question.

[QUOTE=Osanhopps;1627747]They claim that prostitution clothes tourist areas in the province of Puerto Plata.

I read this article in Puerto Plata Digital, were they said most of the foreigners who owned business were pimps. This was my response to that article:

Don't blame the establishments, because you would have to blame the country. I have been to Sosua and other parts of the Dominican Republic. When you have an environment that doesn't promote any kind of advancement for it's people this is what you get. Now you tell these women that they can't make any kind of income. Most of these women will tell you that they didn't choose this kind of work. But it is better than starving. So what they will do is go to another part of the DR and start it all over again. What they wanted in Sosua and Cabarete is the cruise ship income. But that won't replace the income lost in the long run. Most of these women were lucky to make $50 dollars a week. They called those men pimps, but what are they called in Santiago, Santo Domingo & Punta Cana. This was very stupid because the person who started this crackdown didn't have a plan for the women who are now basically unemployed, no matter what their positions were. No matter what kind a work a person is doing, I am a firm believer in not taking food off a persons plate. Especially if that person might have a child at home.[/QUOTE]If a foreigner owned a business in the DR and in "pimping" chicas, HE is only follow a DR tradition that has been (and still being played) long before HE got there. 3 of the 4 casas have open back up in BC like they have never closed by Dominicans. Its sounds like they just want to justify Dee Bowing foreign investors assesses.

October 2014 Sosua full report.

Hey guys just came back from Sosua Yesterday I got a 20% deal with jetblue on the dunkin donuts special so I said what the hell let me head to Sosua, it only cost me $325 total for round trip airfare and I stay for about 5 days, Stayed at the world famous New Gardens.

And I want to give you guys details on what's going on. Now you hear all the news and rumors on crackdowns and some of what you hear is true but its overly exaggerated. I can tell you that things are definitely very slow. Not to many mongers are coming to Sosua.

Anymore. But that is a good thing because the chica price has drop right back to the golden era (Pre 2011). Most Chicas will gladly accepted 1500 pesos or less. The days of waiting on a 3000-4000 peso sucker are pretty over now.

You have a few hardcore putas that charge by the hour but you can talk them down or avoid them like the plaque. All the Action is in Rumbas in the day time and then around 12:00 at night they head to Classicos.

Now Classicos is back in full effect and every night I went to Classicos it was packed with Chicas and the Chicas are more beautiful. Only the Hot 8's and 9's are willing to pay the 200 peso entrance fee. All the gutter trash hood rats hand out around rumbas and outside of Classicos.

Also Classicos brings out alot of non-pros (weekend puta), These girls feel more comfortable going to a nightclub like Classicos then going to a bar like Dlatinos, I guess alot of them avoid Dlatinos because they don't want to feel like a Street Walker. So if your looking for a Stunna Thursday night-Saturday night is jampack. 10 Girls to every 1 dude. But like I said in my earlier post, I talk to alot of hotel and business owners, and things are much more slower then normal. I guess the word got out that Sosua is going throw a crackdown.

And most mongers are heading to other places like Costa Rica, Asia, etc. So if your going to Sosua right now is a buyers market right now. But sadly I use to go to DR 5 times a year, now I can only see my self going there once a year. The Dominican Chicas Performance.

Wise are no match to the Brazilians and the Columbian Chicas.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1627949]October 2014 Sosua full report.

Hey guys just came back from Sosua Yesterday I got a 20% deal with jetblue on the dunkin donuts special so I said what the hell let me head to Sosua, it only cost me $325 total for round trip airfare and I stay for about 5 days, Stayed at the world famous New Gardens.

.[/QUOTE]20% discount thru DD?

[QUOTE=Bravo;1627989]20% discount thru DD?[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.jetblue.com/dunkin/[/URL]

The Sale is pretty much over now. It ended September 1. All you had to do was buy a cup of coffee and get the promo code. Or you could of bought the promo code on ebay for $5. 00. It was a good sale. Got my tickets for $325.00 RoundTrip, which was a steal. Reminds me of the good all days (Pre 2011) when Jetblue use to fly to POP 2 twice a day (Day and NightTime Flights). I was paying under $300 to fly to POP.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1627989]20% discount thru DD?[/QUOTE]For those who are interested below are the details. The deal is no longer valid.

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[QUOTE=IpanemaCarioca;1627330]If the standard hotel tax is 23%, you charge 18% and several other Sosua hotels I know charge 8% to use a credit card, guest what, you're too high for Sosua. Plus you never addressed the other issues I mentioned. Besides, your rooms are outdated and your television are old and do not work. On a rainy day I might want to chill for a few hours in the privacy of my room watch sports or the news, and your 1975 RCA ain't allowing that to happen. Apparently you folks at the Victorian House do not believe in upgrades. Yeah you might have a remodeled bath room or two, but maybe two. And most important, your security sucks. One day a security guard came to my door during the day I was checking in to tell me two skanks who saw me exit the taxi at the gate want to see me. What kinda security is that?

That property was a great place when it had the side door on the beach open, all you can eat buffet breakfast and all the bars open, especially bar outside the lobby. Now that property makes false promises about upgrades. That place will never be the same. I first stayed there in 2010, and it has gone down hill. All the Victorian House depends on is the view of the bay. But it's very close to being like that abandoned resort next to Charmicos that you can see from Victorian House. One day I was looking across the bay and I said that will soon be Victorian House, abandoned and empty.[/QUOTE]I stayed at Victoria House about six years ago when they had the buffet breakfast and the side entrance but recall "issues" with the place back than as well. If they had their act together they could do a much better business but are behind the times compared with the other properties in town. Also I found it kind of lame for a representative of the hotel to post on this Site which I thought wasn't allowed to be done, perhaps somebody can clarify this?

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1628112]I stayed at Victoria House about six years ago when they had the buffet breakfast and the side entrance but recall "issues" with the place back than as well. If they had their act together they could do a much better business but are behind the times compared with the other properties in town. Also I found it kind of lame for a representative of the hotel to post on this Site which I thought wasn't allowed to be done, perhaps somebody can clarify this?[/QUOTE]The Victorian House is the shadiest place to stay in Sosua. I remember complaints from the employees who weren't paid. Then the electricity was taken off the city grid for stealing power which caused the lights to go off and on at night.

The biggest ripoffs are those contract memberships. For $3,000 down you can get rooms for $40 a night. That's if they are not shut down. There are fellas who paid 5 years ago with a promise of $25 a night. Well the place was shut down and the dummies lost their money. The Victorian House is still running that game.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1627949]October 2014 Sosua full report.

Hey guys just came back from Sosua Yesterday

You have a few hardcore putas that charge by the hour but you can talk them down or avoid them like the plaque. All the Action is in Rumbas in the day time and then around 12:00 at night they head to Classicos.

Now Classicos is back in full effect and every night I went to Classicos it was packed with Chicas and the Chicas are more beautiful. Only the Hot 8's and 9's are willing to pay the 200 peso entrance fee. All the gutter trash hood rats hand out around rumbas and outside of Classicos.

Also Classicos brings out alot of non-pros (weekend puta), These girls feel more comfortable going to a nightclub like Classicos then going to a bar like Dlatinos, I guess alot of them avoid Dlatinos because they don't want to feel like a Street Walker. .[/QUOTE]You and I concluded The same rationale. To add since a lot of these chicas only come out after 11:00; they are not your Normal Hardcore trying to accumulate as many dicks per night as they can. They are less likely to run deceptions and tricks in your hotel. Except leche papa leche. My man fresh had to a chica who really didn't have a game plan on how much she wanted to charge. She was nice sexy Blanca chica from Santa Domingo. She desperately needed to make $300. Fresh gave her 3000 pesos. The next day she wanted to repeat with him 1500 and a ride to SD.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1628356] They are less likely to run deceptions and tricks in your hotel. Except leche papa leche. [/QUOTE]Papa means "Pope". So take it as a benediction.

I have run into many girls in Sosua who were nice girls once they got to know you. However they run into guys who are sometimes ass holes. I was low on cash once and a SW I had earlier came by early morning for a freebie when she learned my cash was done. I was going home at 1:00. It was a nice send off.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1628356]You and I concluded The same rationale. To add since a lot of these chicas only come out after 11:00; they are not your Normal Hardcore trying to accumulate as many dicks per night as they can. They are less likely to run deceptions and tricks in your hotel. Except leche papa leche. My man fresh had to a chica who really didn't have a game plan on how much she wanted to charge. She was nice sexy Blanca chica from Santa Domingo. She desperately needed to make $300. Fresh gave her 3000 pesos. The next day she wanted to repeat with him 1500 and a ride to SD.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1628112]Also I found it kind of lame for a representative of the hotel to post on this Site which I thought wasn't allowed to be done, perhaps somebody can clarify this?[/QUOTE]Apartment owners and hotel owners post to this site (ISG) all the time. There is no restriction against it.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1627949]October 2014 Sosua full report.

Hey guys just came back from Sosua Yesterday I got a 20% deal with jetblue on the dunkin donuts special so I said what the hell let me head to Sosua, it only cost me $325 total for round trip airfare and I stay for about 5 days, Stayed at the world famous New Gardens.

And I want to give you guys details on what's going on. Now you hear all the news and rumors on crackdowns and some of what you hear is true but its overly exaggerated. I can tell you that things are definitely very slow. Not to many mongers are coming to Sosua.

Anymore. But that is a good thing because the chica price has drop right back to the golden era (Pre 2011). Most Chicas will gladly accepted 1500 pesos or less. The days of waiting on a 3000-4000 peso sucker are pretty over now.

You have a few hardcore putas that charge by the hour but you can talk them down or avoid them like the plaque. All the Action is in Rumbas in the day time and then around 12:00 at night they head to Classicos.

Now Classicos is back in full effect and every night I went to Classicos it was packed with Chicas and the Chicas are more beautiful. Only the Hot 8's and 9's are willing to pay the 200 peso entrance fee. All the gutter trash hood rats hand out around rumbas and outside of Classicos.

Also Classicos brings out alot of non-pros (weekend puta), These girls feel more comfortable going to a nightclub like Classicos then going to a bar like Dlatinos, I guess alot of them avoid Dlatinos because they don't want to feel like a Street Walker. So if your looking for a Stunna Thursday night-Saturday night is jampack. 10 Girls to every 1 dude. But like I said in my earlier post, I talk to alot of hotel and business owners, and things are much more slower then normal. I guess the word got out that Sosua is going throw a crackdown.
[/QUOTE]Great report ForceSteeler. I wish I could get airfare to the DR for anything less than $600. You East Coast / Florida boys got it made.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1627949]
Now Classicos is back in full effect and every night I went to Classicos it was packed with Chicas and the Chicas are more beautiful. [b]Only the Hot 8's and 9's are willing to pay the 200 peso entrance fee. All the gutter trash hood rats hand out around rumbas and outside of Classicos.[/b]
[/QUOTE]This was exactly what I was trying to tell the other poster on here who was complaining that making chicas pay an entrance fee would somehow deter chicas from coming and turn Classicos into a sausage-fest. As you (as well as I) have witnessed the exact opposite is true. The entrance fee lures in the diamonds and keeps out the riff-raff.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1627949]
I can tell you that things are definitely very slow. Not to many mongers are coming to Sosua.
[/QUOTE]Really? Not even the weekend ballers are showing up? I guess they've all finally maxed out their credit cards and student loan borrowing limits, LOL (just joking).

But seriously, google "U6" :D

This is all good news to me. I am heading back down South (South America, that is) in a couple of weeks, but I may need to set up a quick side trip to my old stomping ground Sosua!

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1628397]Apartment owners and hotel owners post to this site (ISG) all the time. There is no restriction against it.[/QUOTE]Nor should there be. So long as they explain their involvement honestly and clearly, it is a useful service announcement to give mongers information on which to base decisions.

For example, it would have been helpful if the management of FoD had explained their new pricing policy on here instead of leaving us to post conflicting experiences and assumptions which made them look shifty.

Of course, if the person keeps spamming the board with repeated info, they should desist and take out a paid advertisement. If they are actually getting business from this board it might be tactful to do that anyway. Jackson might then be more tolerant of advertising in the "posts" section.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1627949]Most Chicas will gladly accepted 1500 pesos or less. The days of waiting on a 3000-4000 peso sucker are pretty over now.
[/QUOTE]That's funny cause I've been reading another forum where a bunch of SIMPS brag about giving this chic 4,000 pesos, almost like its a bargain.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1628380] I was low on cash once and a SW I had earlier came by early morning for a freebie when she learned my cash was done. I was going home at 1:00. It was a nice send off.[/QUOTE]That is good service.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1628476]That's funny cause I've been reading another forum where a bunch of SIMPS brag about giving this chic 4,000 pesos, almost like its a bargain.[/QUOTE]Its alot of these newbie simps that think they more they pay and flex for a chick, the more they will fall in love. But right now with Classicos in effect and the chicas having to pay a entrance fee, they cannot afford to leave the club empty handed and wait on a 3000 peso.

Sucker especially when its low season, They will gladly take 1500-2000 pesos, its much better then leaving the club empty handed and your losing 200 pesos every night.

[QUOTE=Boriman;1628051]For those who are interested below are the details. The deal is no longer valid.

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Search flights within travel dates listed above...[/QUOTE]ForceSteeler how were you still able to use the discount code for DR? Its funny I always saw the Jetblue promotions at DD but never bothered to pay attention to them.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1628476]That's funny cause I've been reading another forum where a bunch of SIMPS brag about giving this chic 4,000 pesos, almost like its a bargain.[/QUOTE]Nice photos. Thanks for reminding me why I love Dominicanas more than any other latinas. Now I've got to go spend more money to go back, LOL.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1628476]That's funny cause I've been reading another forum where a bunch of SIMPS brag about giving this chic 4,000 pesos, almost like its a bargain.[/QUOTE]We call her MISS 4 K!!

Trust me, she gets that amount every night from every guy she goes with, she won't go for less because she doesn't have to. My boy gets with her on every trip and HE says in addition to her being good in bed, she is a very cool person to hang with. She has some serious WU sponsors as well, there is one dude who drives a viper who wifes her up for months at a time.

Three of us headed to Sosua the next day Fresh, Justice and myself. We took Fresh's Hondo Accord. It took us 4100 pesos to fill the car up. I told them fuck that we are taking the bus next time. It took us approximately three hours to get there. We arrived about 7 o'clock and headed straight to hotel the Europa. $40 per night and $75 for the joining room. I was feeling tall and chocolate that night from the chica I didn't hit ayer. I didn't session the first chica but she did a accompanied me to my room. She saw my bag of clothes and immediately asked me for some. (yeah I slipped) I let her try on a couple outfits because she had a nice chocalate body. I went to get some ice for the Ciroc and she followed me to the front desk. The look the receptionist gave me told me everything about this puta. At the front desk I told the receptionist to give her back her I'd card and told the puta she can leave. When she left; the receptionist told me I did a smart thing. I still had a strong taste for chocolate. So I found me one little Haitian spinner. She made the 1500 peso Max for all night and she also left with a departing gift. Doesn't the first girl kill those two dress. I like them classy sometimes.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1628852]We call her MISS 4 K!!

Trust me, she gets that amount every night from every guy she goes with, she won't go for less because she doesn't have to. My boy gets with her on every trip and HE says in addition to her being good in bed, she is a very cool person to hang with. She has some serious WU sponsors as well, there is one dude who drives a viper who wifes her up for months at a time.[/QUOTE]4,000 Pesos? That's almost a hundred dollars, You can get 9 and 10's dime chicks in Columbia in Casas fucking for $20.00. No way I can pay a Dominican Puta 4000 pesos!.

The Most I ever paid was a Brazilian Girl I met below, She wanted 300 Brazil Reals ($122) a Night. One of the baddest girls I ever slept with in my life. She was worth it. Top 5 girls I ever fucked, and I had sex with hundreds of women.

GM,

You got nice taste man. Wow. I guess Haitian women are also as pretty as DR women.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1628868]Three of us headed to Sosua the next day Fresh, Justice and myself. We took Fresh's Hondo Accord. It took us 4100 pesos to fill the car up. I told them fuck that we are taking the bus next time. It took us approximately three hours to get there. We arrived about 7 o'clock and headed straight to hotel the Europa. $40 per night and $75 for the joining room. I was feeling tall and chocolate that night from the chica I didn't hit ayer. I didn't session the first chica but she did a accompanied me to my room. She saw my bag of clothes and immediately asked me for some. (yeah I slipped) I let her try on a couple outfits because she had a nice chocalate body. I went to get some ice for the Ciroc and she followed me to the front desk. The look the receptionist gave me told me everything about this puta. At the front desk I told the receptionist to give her back her I'd card and told the puta she can leave. When she left; the receptionist told me I did a smart thing. I still had a strong taste for chocolate. So I found me one little Haitian spinner. She made the 1500 peso Max for all night and she also left with a departing gift. Doesn't the first girl kill those two dress. I like them classy sometimes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1628893]4,000 Pesos? That's almost a hundred dollars, You can get 9 and 10's dime chicks in Columbia in Casas fucking for $20.00. No way I can pay a Dominican Puta 4000 pesos!.

The Most I ever paid was a Brazilian Girl I met below, She wanted 300 Brazil Reals ($122) a Night. One of the baddest girls I ever slept with in my life. She was worth it. Top 5 girls I ever fucked, and I had sex with hundreds of women.[/QUOTE]Thats a bad be at at at h! LOL! 122 $ well spent!

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1628868]Three of us headed to Sosua the next day Fresh, Justice and myself. We took Fresh's Hondo Accord. It took us 4100 pesos to fill the car up. I told them fuck that we are taking the bus next time. It took us approximately three hours to get there. We arrived about 7 o'clock and headed straight to hotel the Europa. $40 per night and $75 for the joining room. I was feeling tall and chocolate that night from the chica I didn't hit ayer. I didn't session the first chica but she did a accompanied me to my room. She saw my bag of clothes and immediately asked me for some. (yeah I slipped) I let her try on a couple outfits because she had a nice chocalate body. I went to get some ice for the Ciroc and she followed me to the front desk. The look the receptionist gave me told me everything about this puta. At the front desk I told the receptionist to give her back her I'd card and told the puta she can leave. When she left; the receptionist told me I did a smart thing. I still had a strong taste for chocolate. So I found me one little Haitian spinner. She made the 1500 peso Max for all night and she also left with a departing gift. Doesn't the first girl kill those two dress. I like them classy sometimes.[/QUOTE]Nice! You're a connoisseur of chocolate! LOL!

Your Brazil chick is fine, but:

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1628893]4,000 Pesos? That's almost a hundred dollars, You can get 9 and 10's dime chicks in Columbia in Casas fucking for $20.00. No way I can pay a Dominican Puta 4000 pesos!.
[/QUOTE]Yeah, probably in "Columbia", but not the "Colombia" I go to, LOL.

You probably saw them as "9's and 10's" if that was your first time going and that's all you knew. I've never seen anything above the 6 or 7 range.

Once you get up in the Fase Dos or Loutron bracket, then that's a different story. But you will not getting any chicas from those two establishments for $20.00, Lmao!

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1628893]4,000 Pesos? That's almost a hundred dollars, You can get 9 and 10's dime chicks in Columbia in Casas fucking for $20.00. No way I can pay a Dominican Puta 4000 pesos!.

The Most I ever paid was a Brazilian Girl I met below, She wanted 300 Brazil Reals ($122) a Night. One of the baddest girls I ever slept with in my life. She was worth it. Top 5 girls I ever fucked, and I had sex with hundreds of women.[/QUOTE]Forcesteeler,

That is a fine morena. Everybody has different taste. Some like skinny some like big. Some like big ass, some like small. Some like dark skin morenas, some like the nice looking paisas, some don't. I met an Italian monger in Sosua who had a complete opposite taste than mine. I like big ass athletic (not too fat) and no so dark skin. Whenever I saw one to my liking in a bikini and told him to look at that fine, he would be surprised and was like "you called that beautiful". He thought I was kidding and he thought the lady was like at a whale, not attracted at all. Then I saw him staring a extremely thin lady with a flat ass with big breast. He asked me to look at the beauty HE found and I was looking and looking, but could not see her. I could not find her until HE pointed her out to me. She looked like a broom stick with breasts to me but to him that was like a 10 that he would pay 4000 pesos and that I would only get for free.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1628868]. I went to get some ice for the Ciroc and she followed me to the front desk. The look the receptionist gave me told me everything about this puta. At the front desk I told the receptionist to give her back her I'd card and told the puta she can leave. When she left; the receptionist told me I did a smart thing.[/QUOTE]Can you elaborate on this? What story did the receptionist tell you about the girl? I may not be as perceptive as your are. In order for the receptionist to stop me in my tracks, she'd have to do one of those finger slashing across the throat signals.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1628893]4,000 Pesos? No way I can pay a Dominican Puta 4000 pesos!.

[/QUOTE]The THIRST is real, my friend, LOL.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1628893]4,000 Pesos? That's almost a hundred dollars, You can get 9 and 10's dime chicks in Columbia in Casas fucking for $20.00. No way I can pay a Dominican Puta 4000 pesos!.

The Most I ever paid was a Brazilian Girl I met below, She wanted 300 Brazil Reals ($122) a Night. One of the baddest girls I ever slept with in my life. She was worth it. Top 5 girls I ever fucked, and I had sex with hundreds of women.[/QUOTE]That's a badddd puta.

My favorite reception wasn't at the desk when I entered with the young lady. Anytime I bring in a chica she always gives me a positive or negative look. It's very subtle but it's our way of communication. I have the same relationship with the security guard. I always tip both of them and they always let me know if my choices have been problems for previous guess. I have only been there for 15 minutes and as Bro P states I am a connoisseur of chocolate. Her sexy ass and last nights miss clouded my judgment. One look for my favorite reception in a negative fashion and please give this puta her I'd card and get her the hell away.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1629113]My favorite reception wasn't at the desk when I entered with the young lady. Anytime I bring in a chica she always gives me a positive or negative look. It's very subtle but it's our way of communication. I have the same relationship with the security guard. I always tip both of them and they always let me know if my choices have been problems for previous guess. I have only been there for 15 minutes and as Bro P states I am a connoisseur of chocolate. Her sexy ass and last nights miss clouded my judgment. One look for my favorite reception in a negative fashion and please give this puta her I'd card and get her the hell away.[/QUOTE]Ah, so you have like an on-going vetting committee there. Gotcha. Good idea.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1629113]My favorite reception wasn't at the desk when I entered with the young lady. Anytime I bring in a chica she always gives me a positive or negative look. It's very subtle but it's our way of communication.[/QUOTE]And since I was fucking the girl at the desk I no longer stay there because if I went in with a chica the only looks I will get are negative ones.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1629235]And since I was fucking the girl at the desk I no longer stay there because if I went in with a chica the only looks I will get are negative ones.[/QUOTE]Haha LMAO quite an one-upper!!

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1628476]That's funny cause I've been reading another forum where a bunch of SIMPS brag about giving this chic 4,000 pesos, almost like its a bargain.[/QUOTE]This broad here is smoking hot! And I don't usually say that about many of the chicks posted here. Now this is a chick that can compete wit HE dimes in a Rio. I will def bang this chick if I see here in Sosua. I'd rather pay here 4000 pesos for a really good fuck and a cool ass personally than to cut some 1500 deal with a troublesome "leche papi, leche papi" chick who is a horrible fuck. Easy decision.

[QUOTE=Mongmann;1629340]I'd rather pay here 4000 pesos for a really good fuck and a cool ass personally than to cut some 1500 deal with a troublesome "leche papi, leche papi" chick who is a horrible fuck. Easy decision.[/QUOTE]I will sort of agree with you. But only if there was some kind of way you could be assured of the results. The problem is that in this hobby Your Mileage May Vary. Just because another monger had fun with her and she was a great match for him in the sack does not mean the same will hold true for the next monger. And 4000 pesos is a hefty price to pay to find out you just got some regular old crackers.
[url]https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=IQkyVI7eJfiZsQTvnoGwAQ&url=http://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DNNzPEcDOVeI&cd=3&ved=0CCQQtwIwAg&usg=AFQjCNEYliVaVgCrI9HflyH5VPymtmn_JQ&sig2=k-q0ohQ5gQ6-AQG6qRVw-A[/url]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1629374]I will sort of agree with you. But only if there was some kind of way you could be assured of the results. The problem is that in this hobby Your Mileage May Vary. Just because another monger had fun with her and she was a great match for him in the sack does not mean the same will hold true for the next monger. And 4000 pesos is a hefty price to pay to find out you just got some regular old crackers.
[url]https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=IQkyVI7eJfiZsQTvnoGwAQ&url=http://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DNNzPEcDOVeI&cd=3&ved=0CCQQtwIwAg&usg=AFQjCNEYliVaVgCrI9HflyH5VPymtmn_JQ&sig2=k-q0ohQ5gQ6-AQG6qRVw-A[/url][/QUOTE]That's exactly right. And I'd add that chicas age quickly in this "profession. " A girl that was a fantastic fuck 4 months ago may have lost it by the time you see her.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1629374]I will sort of agree with you. But only if there was some kind of way you could be assured of the results. The problem is that in this hobby Your Mileage May Vary. Just because another monger had fun with her and she was a great match for him in the sack does not mean the same will hold true for the next monger. And 4000 pesos is a hefty price to pay to find out you just got some regular old crackers.
[url]https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=IQkyVI7eJfiZsQTvnoGwAQ&url=http://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DNNzPEcDOVeI&cd=3&ved=0CCQQtwIwAg&usg=AFQjCNEYliVaVgCrI9HflyH5VPymtmn_JQ&sig2=k-q0ohQ5gQ6-AQG6qRVw-A[/url][/QUOTE]No I agree with you. There's nothing guaranteed in this so you can never really be assured of anything. But just like anything else in life good reviews are always better than bad ones. And 4000 pesos isn't a lot if the alternative is 1500 for some bullshit. So for me I'd rather save myself some time and hassle and fuck with her than to bullshit around with a "leche papi" broad to save 40 bucks. Because at the end of my trip I need to be able to say I banged a lot of bad broads who were great fucks and cool personalities. Not I banged a lot of 6's who can't fuck for shit. The point of my trip is to go and have a great time so I'm not willing to sacrifice that in the name of saving a few hundred bucks.

I have hit some 6's who gave me some of my best sexual experiences. Looks rarely predict how a woman will be in bed.

[QUOTE=Mongmann;1629381]No I agree with you. There's nothing guaranteed in this so you can never really be assured of anything. But just like anything else in life good reviews are always better than bad ones. And 4000 pesos isn't a lot if the alternative is 1500 for some bullshit. So for me I'd rather save myself some time and hassle and fuck with her than to bullshit around with a "leche papi" broad to save 40 bucks. Because at the end of my trip I need to be able to say I banged a lot of bad broads who were great fucks and cool personalities. Not I banged a lot of 6's who can't fuck for shit. The point of my trip is to go and have a great time so I'm not willing to sacrifice that in the name of saving a few hundred bucks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1629384]I have hit some 6's who gave me some of my best sexual experiences. Looks rarely predict how a woman will be in bed.[/QUOTE]I personally stay away from the hotties as they think their shit doesn't stink. They typically start the "leche papi" two minutes after fucking which is a boner killer for me.

[QUOTE=Mongmann;1629381]No I agree with you. There's nothing guaranteed in this so you can never really be assured of anything. But just like anything else in life good reviews are always better than bad ones. And 4000 pesos isn't a lot if the alternative is 1500 for some bullshit. So for me I'd rather save myself some time and hassle and fuck with her than to bullshit around with a "leche papi" broad to save 40 bucks. Because at the end of my trip I need to be able to say I banged a lot of bad broads who were great fucks and cool personalities. Not I banged a lot of 6's who can't fuck for shit. The point of my trip is to go and have a great time so I'm not willing to sacrifice that in the name of saving a few hundred bucks.[/QUOTE]4,000 Pesos is close to two weeks pay for most Dominicans and if you have any Spanish speaking skills you should be able to find plenty of girls who will perform well for no more than 1,500 Pesos.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1629415]4,000 Pesos is close to two weeks pay for most Dominicans and if you have any Spanish speaking skills you should be able to find plenty of girls who will perform well for no more than 1,500 Pesos.[/QUOTE]My goal on a hobbying trip is to sample as many pu. Sies as possible. There comes a time in a trip when you have had all the good 1500 peso pu. Sies that you are able to meet. When that happens I rather bang new 4000 peso pu. Sies than revisit the old 1500 peso ones even though the latter may have been good. One has to accept the fact that there are chicas out there who just would not accept less than 4000 pesos. I respect gents who would not go with the 4000 peso chicas no matter what and admire them for not placing importance on variety. It's a good budgetary plan.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1629492]My goal on a hobbying trip is to sample as many pu. Sies as possible. There comes a time in a trip when you have had all the good 1500 peso pu. Sies that you are able to meet. When that happens I rather bang new 4000 peso pu. Sies than revisit the old 1500 peso ones even though the latter may have been good. One has to accept the fact that there are chicas out there who just would not accept less than 4000 pesos. I respect gents who would not go with the 4000 peso chicas no matter what and admire them for not placing importance on variety. It's a good budgetary plan.[/QUOTE]Are you asserting that the 4000 peso will feel different than the 1500 peso variety? It seems to me that the only difference that you can be sure of is the price.

[QUOTE=Mongmann;1629381]. The point of my trip is to go and have a great time so I'm not willing to sacrifice that in the name of saving a few hundred bucks.[/QUOTE]If you got it like that. Go for it.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1629492]One has to accept the fact that there are chicas out there who just would not accept less than 4000 pesos.
[/QUOTE]Any Chica quoting 4,000 Pesos in Sosua to someone most probably finds that person to be grotesque and not wanting to go with them.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1629410]I personally stay away from the hotties as they think their shit doesn't stink. They typically start the "leche papi" two minutes after fucking which is a boner killer for me.[/QUOTE]I am with you on this Surfer. I hate a puta thinking I am weak enough to pay 4000 as if she is the bomb. Some guys don't understand negotiating in a part of the DR culture. If you go up to a puta and she is quoting 4000 or 5000 pesos and is not bulging; its highly likely she is reading your weakness for her and playing it against you. Some guys are will to give this because they have it like that without a second thought. Guys don't even say I will give you 2500 or 3000 pero si estas realmente bueno, voy darte 1 k para una propina. The chica now has no incentive but to hurry you to get her money. Reading a chica as well as her reading you is all apart of this game we are in. Nothing is worst than being committed in blind 4 k ending with a rushing or mechanical chica with dry pussy, a CBJ and she is giving you more hand than pussy. All because you were thinking with your little head and thought she was the chica of you dreams. In the DR; its lets make a deal - not I will pay what ever you want. Mr E was right when he said use reverse psychology on a puta. Laugh at her and tell her" you are too fat for 4 k. If you think 4 k means a better quality session that's your ball your court. We know most people in the DR would rather fuck you over for 300 pesos right then than 2 k for future business tomorrow. Dealing with chicas is like dealing with a used car salesman. They love when you pay the window price as is. To me sex is 1 part looks 1 part feeling. All looks and no feeling is a waste of money for my cheap ass.

Fresh always get quoted high prices from chicas. In Sosua the same chica that I knocked off twice for 1500 pesos and propinas quoted him $100. HE was ready to pay because she had an ass like no other. Its was the chica with the ass shot. HE let her go when I showed him these pictures. She had some phatt pussy lips, however the sex was better the first time.

Pussy is pussy maybe in your mind you think it was better because you paid more. That is called a mind fuck. The chick piayed with your head and made you think her twat was all that. There is so much good pussy in the DR you can call the shots. 4 k is 3 weeks pay in the DR. Just remember you got gold so you rule and call the shots.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1629561]Fresh always get quoted high prices from chicas. In Sosua the same chica that I knocked off twice for 1500 pesos and propinas quoted him $100. HE was ready to pay because she had an ass like no other. Its was the chica with the ass shot. HE let her go when I showed him these pictures. She had some phatt pussy lips, however the sex was better the first time.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1629551]I am with you on this Surfer. I hate a puta thinking I am weak enough to pay 4000 as if she is the bomb. Some guys don't understand negotiating in a part of the DR culture. If you go up to a puta and she is quoting 4000 or 5000 pesos and is not bulging; its highly likely she is reading your weakness for her and playing it against you. Some guys are will to give this because they have it like that without a second thought. Guys don't even say I will give you 2500 or 3000 pero si estas realmente bueno, voy darte 1 k para una propina. The chica now has no incentive but to hurry you to get her money. Reading a chica as well as her reading you is all apart of this game we are in. Nothing is worst than being committed in blind 4 k ending with a rushing or mechanical chica with dry pussy, a CBJ and she is giving you more hand than pussy. All because you were thinking with your little head and thought she was the chica of you dreams. In the DR; its lets make a deal - not I will pay what ever you want. Mr E was right when he said use reverse psychology on a puta. Laugh at her and tell her" you are too fat for 4 k. If you think 4 k means a better quality session that's your ball your court. We know most people in the DR would rather fuck you over for 300 pesos right then than 2 k for future business tomorrow. Dealing with chicas is like dealing with a used car salesman. They love when you pay the window price as is. To me sex is 1 part looks 1 part feeling. All looks and no feeling is a waste of money for my cheap ass.[/QUOTE]Your right, especially when I was in DR last week, Its a buyer market now, There are few mongers in town and Chicas are willing to fuck for $1000 Pesos. And people that pay 4,000 pesos for a chica is stupid and you have to understand these chicas in Sosua Talk alot, so.

If You pay 1 Chica $4,000 Pesos, the next chica you want to fuck is going to quote the same price, Because That chica you paid $4 K is going to tell all her puta friends.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1629577]Pussy is pussy maybe in your mind you think it was better because you paid more. That is called a mind fuck. The chick piayed with your head and made you think her twat was all that. There is so much good pussy in the DR you can call the shots. 4 k is 3 weeks pay in the DR. Just remember you got gold so you rule and call the shots.[/QUOTE]I've been here 12 days now and have had no problem getting Dominican Chicas to go for anywhere from 1,000 pesos to 1,500 pesos. I told one Chica 1,000 pesos with a possible tip after she quoted me 2,000 Pesos and she accepted the offer. The fucking wasnt to great with this one but she let me finish in her mouth without backing off and earned a 200 peso tip for that. When she went to the bathroom to spit out my load, the water had been turned off so she couldn't rinse her mouth out to well.

Some girls I just tell them what I'm willing to pay which is typically 1,000 Pesos with no negotiation whatsoever. One girl wanted 1,500 pesos and I told her no, she said how about we make a deal. She said she would go for 1,000 Pesos and if I liked her performance she would get a tip with no mention of how much the tip would be. She walked out with 1,500 pesos for a great performance and wanted to TLN with me but I had to pass.

The Haitian Chicas on the Strip are very aggressive and with the exception of a few will all go for a 1,000 Pesos ST and TLN can easily be had for not much more. Last night one Haitian was hassling me and I told her to back off or I would call over one of the cops on the Strip.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1629601]I've been here 12 days now and have had no problem getting Dominican Chicas to go for anywhere from 1,000 pesos to 1,500 pesos. I told one Chica 1,000 pesos with a possible tip after she quoted me 2,000 Pesos and she accepted the offer. The fucking wasnt to great with this one but she let me finish in her mouth without backing off and earned a 200 peso tip for that. When she went to the bathroom to spit out my load, the water had been turned off so she couldn't rinse her mouth out to well.

Some girls I just tell them what I'm willing to pay which is typically 1,000 Pesos with no negotiation whatsoever. One girl wanted 1,500 pesos and I told her no, she said how about we make a deal. She said she would go for 1,000 Pesos and if I liked her performance she would get a tip with no mention of how much the tip would be. She walked out with 1,500 pesos for a great performance and wanted to TLN with me but I had to pass.

The Haitian Chicas on the Strip are very aggressive and with the exception of a few will all go for a 1,000 Pesos ST and TLN can easily be had for not much more. Last night one Haitian was hassling me and I told her to back off or I would call over one of the cops on the Strip.[/QUOTE]The water was turned off? You must've been at the Victorian House!

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1629601]I told one Chica 1,000 pesos with a possible tip after she quoted me 2,000 Pesos and she accepted the offer. The fucking wasnt to great with this one but she let me finish in her mouth without backing off and earned a 200 peso tip for that. When she went to the bathroom to spit out my load, the water had been turned off so she couldn't rinse her mouth out to well.[/QUOTE]Spit out your load? Man I would have deducted 400 pesos right then and there for disrepecting my shit like that.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1629615]Spit out your load? Man I would have deducted 400 pesos right then and there for disrepecting my shit like that.[/QUOTE]Sorry to say she wasn't a swallower. She earned the 200 Peso tip for not backing off while I was filling her mouth up!

She probably coated another guy's dick with my remnants later that evening.

I empathize with some guys on this board. I pay more than $150 per hour in the States. After banging a chica for an hour in many positions I don't mind paying her 4000 pesos (US $100). If I were a pretty boy with a small dick who came in less than fifteen minutes I would refuse to pay more than 1000 pesos.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1629684]I empathize with some guys on this board. I pay more than $150 per hour in the States. After banging a chica for an hour in many positions I don't mind paying her 4000 pesos (US $100). If I were a pretty boy with a small dick who came in less than fifteen minutes I would refuse to pay more than 1000 pesos.[/QUOTE]Well when your overpaying your spoiling it for the rest of us. There's no reason why you should overpay a chica. In there minds your a sucker. Just like when I used to sell my play station 2 and 3 when it first came out on ebay for $1,800, when its only worth $400-$500.

I would look at them as a sucker, No different from a Car Sales men. Your not impressing anybody by overpaying.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1629684]I empathize with some guys on this board. I pay more than $150 per hour in the States. After banging a chica for an hour in many positions I don't mind paying her 4000 pesos (US $100).[/QUOTE]I was thinking about that the other day. Many guys travel then come on ISG having paid more than necessary and say well it was a bargain to me because I pay X back at home. Why have me and my friends never done the comparison thing? I figured it's because we fuck with normal chicks in our own country and save the mongering for when we are away. Never had a use for hookers on the home turf and sport fuck when we go to sport fucking destinations. We do it for the fun and comraderie and not for the necessity. So should I be empathizing with myself? I pay 0 in the States and go overseas and pay $30 or so until I start meeting non-pros and thereafter go back to paying 0 just like home.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1629684]I empathize with some guys on this board. I pay more than $150 per hour in the States. After banging a chica for an hour in many positions I don't mind paying her 4000 pesos (US $100). If I were a pretty boy with a small dick who came in less than fifteen minutes I would refuse to pay more than 1000 pesos.[/QUOTE]Ok Turgid because you are unattractive, pay a lot in the states and well endowed you should pay more. I respect your decision pimpin. I think you are playing the game like a American who doesn't know HE is in the DR. Or maybe I am jealous.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1629684]I empathize with some guys on this board. I pay more than $150 per hour in the States. After banging a chica for an hour in many positions I don't mind paying her 4000 pesos (US $100). If I were a pretty boy with a small dick who came in less than fifteen minutes I would refuse to pay more than 1000 pesos.[/QUOTE]When prices are low like in Sosua, paying excessive amounts like $100 dollars sets a bad precedent with the chicas. Once in a while, I don't mind paying a little more than $50 for a good service or 60 dollars the most for a chica that provides a great service. I also don't think is good to be too cheap when the chicas do good job like some mongers would even try to give them 10 or 15 dollars. But 100 dollars is excessive even for an overnight with multiple pops. From reading the posts, chica prices have been going down in Sosua, therefore the girls should not be spoiled that way. You are not in the USA, and even if you pay more than 150 in the USA, you should stick with the prices set by the market regardless of how.

Long a person last or how long is the dick.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1629684]I empathize with some guys on this board. I pay more than $150 per hour in the States. After banging a chica for an hour in many positions I don't mind paying her 4000 pesos (US $100). If I were a pretty boy with a small dick who came in less than fifteen minutes I would refuse to pay more than 1000 pesos.[/QUOTE]
One time I was sitting at a table at Sosua Beach. I asked a chica the cost of a particular drink and when she told me I responded that it was too expensive. She answered that that was the cost of the drink in New York. I replied that we were not in New York but in the Dominican Republic.

One really should not compare the cost of an item, or service, in the states with that in the Dominican Republic. Doing so will only lead to being overcharged. Only five people overpay: the inexperienced (newbie); those who think money is no object (and go to overpriced places with names like Oxygen, Viking, DR Nights, etc.); those who get hustled (it happens to all of us. The more experience the less we get hustled); those who experiment, like going to a particular place to see if it really is that much better (most of the time it is not and they chalk it up to experience); and the ignorant (when I was last in the DR on the final night a friend wanted to go to a fancy restaurant. The bill was quite high and the guy still felt obligated to leave a tip, despite my protests [while a couple of American women were behind us laughing at my friend's ignorance). My friend continued making this mistake even though HE has been to the DR many times. It was getting embarrassing so I had to stop hanging out with him.

Short term, for a streetwalker, no more than 1500 DOP (and many times she can be had cheaper), while overnight no more than 3000 DOP (and even this, I feel, is too much. For me, definitely not over 2000 DOP). I am no pretty boy with a small dick and I do last more than fifteen minutes and I still get these prices.

A casa chica expect to pay more. See a chica in a casa, talk to her, pull her to the side, get her number, and you can screw her after work, or on her day off, for a fraction of the cost. She does not have to split her take with the casa so she would really appreciate it.

4000 DOP is simply too much. Even the chicas know this is too much money. (in all due respect. I do not mean to sound condescending).

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1629621]Sorry to say she wasn't a swallower. She earned the 200 Peso tip for not backing off while I was filling her mouth up!

She probably coated another guy's dick with my remnants later that evening.[/QUOTE]I can picture her giving her next customer a DFK. Eeewwww!

I have purchased sex from thousands of women for over forty years in many countries all over the world. I am in awe of those guys on this forum who get it cheap and also those who don't have to pay for it at all.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1629849]I have purchased sex from thousands of women for over forty years in many countries all over the world. I am in awe of those guys on this forum who get it cheap and also those who don't have to pay for it at all.[/QUOTE]Careful with that last statement. I have seen the photos of some of these guys so-called freebies (non-pros) and am in awe that someone would travel thousands of miles to bang a chick that the closest I myself would get to was if I was blindfolded and accidentally backed into it!

I'm like "if that's your overseas non-pro, I may just throw up in my mouth a little if I saw your domestic chick".

[QUOTE=Turgid;1629849]I have purchased sex from thousands of women for over forty years in many countries all over the world. I am in awe of those guys on this forum who get it cheap and also those who don't have to pay for it at all.[/QUOTE]Ha, as usual we are back, full circle, to the most debated theme. To my mind, anyone who "does not pay at all" is very much into mental masturbation and / or deception while the question of cheap vs overpay is a situational one. There is some truth in paying the "market price" but sex and perception of satisfaction is intimately connected with our individual hypothalamus, shaped by our experiences and we are not going to change any mind.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1629900]Ha, as usual we are back, full circle, to the most debated theme. To my mind, anyone who "does not pay at all" is very much into mental masturbation and / or deception while the question of cheap vs overpay is a situational one. There is some truth in paying the "market price" but sex and perception of satisfaction is intimately connected with our individual hypothalamus, shaped by our experiences and we are not going to change any mind.[/QUOTE]You hit the nail on the head brother!,It's all about our individual hypothalamus! Lmao! I fail to understand why some of these gentlemen insist on complicating this simple matter!,Lmao! Just joking bruh. Great post!

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1629876]Careful with that last statement. I have seen the photos of some of these guys so-called freebies (non-pros) and am in awe that someone would travel thousands of miles to bang a chick that the closest I myself would get to was if I was blindfolded and accidentally backed into it!

I'm like "if that's your overseas non-pro, I may just throw up in my mouth a little if I saw your domestic chick".[/QUOTE]I'm glad that you had the balls to say it, I've had the same exact thoughts for awhile now but didn't want to get certain members knickers in a twist. Some, not all of what I've seen on here as cheap or free girls I wouldn't f**k with someone else's dick. Besides, it's never ever free, your time, gas, meals, Cupid memberships, gifts, cabañas, taxis, car rentals, etc. You be payin' somehow. Before anyone say "post some photos of your own", dude I'm not that stupid, and maybe I'm selfish. I'm not getting any younger so it's time to circle my wagons. Oh fuck it, maybe I'll dig up a few when I get a chance.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1630014]I'm glad that you had the balls to say it, I've had the same exact thoughts for awhile now but didn't want to get certain members knickers in a twist. Some, not all of what I've seen on here as cheap or free girls I wouldn't f**k with someone else's dick. Besides, it's never ever free, your time, gas, meals, Cupid memberships, gifts, cabaas, taxis, car rentals, etc. You be payin' somehow. Before anyone say "post some photos of your own", dude I'm not that stupid, and maybe I'm selfish. I'm not getting any younger so it's time to circle my wagons. Oh fuck it, maybe I'll dig up a few when I get a chance.[/QUOTE]Unless one is spending substantial time in these destinations, I really don't see the point in pursuing non-pros. Like most here, my trips are generally a week or two and IMO it makes no sense to waste time pursuing non-pros. I want a hot chica and I want her now. That's not to say I don't try to develop a bit of a repoire with the girls, which I do because it makes the "transaction" more enjoyable.

OTOH, why would anyone in their right mind post a pic of a non-pro HE was with on a sex site? I'm sure a young, good-looking guy could clean up with non-pros in many of these locales IF HE was on the ground on extensive period of time. But it wouldn't be good form to post their pic here.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1630014]I'm glad that you had the balls to say it, I've had the same exact thoughts for awhile now but didn't want to get certain members knickers in a twist.[/QUOTE]With all due respect to you and Savepro, isn't beauty in the eye of the beholder, "Free" or full sticker? I am more drawn to buxom women that others who are into flacas, may feel like throwing up looking at. Do I care to change others' viewpoints?

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1630014]I'm glad that you had the balls to say it, I've had the same exact thoughts for awhile now but didn't want to get certain members knickers in a twist. Some, not all of what I've seen on here as cheap or free girls I wouldn't f**k with someone else's dick. Besides, it's never ever free, your time, gas, meals, Cupid memberships, gifts, cabaas, taxis, car rentals, etc. You be payin' somehow. [/QUOTE]Manizales, you, and some of the others, have touched upon the Achilles Heel of all internet P4 P message boards. Most of us are on sites such as this one to trade information and experiences. However, there are always a few whose primary purpose for posting is to build their own egos and to in some way make them look better than anyone else. Some of these members should change their screen names to "Mr. Perfect" because that's what they think they are. No matter what the situation they always come out on top. They never make mistakes and the chicas pay them instead of the other way around. Like anyone with with some common sense and a brain actually believes what they post.

I also find it amusing when they post pics of their conquest the chica is a dog. Like many of the others I don't travel to foreign countries to have sex with dogs and then brag about that she paid me and cooked for me and would not accept $$$ from me blah blah blah.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1630014]I'm glad that you had the balls to say it, I've had the same exact thoughts for awhile now but didn't want to get certain members knickers in a twist. Some, not all of what I've seen on here as cheap or free girls I wouldn't f**k with someone else's dick. Besides, it's never ever free, your time, gas, meals, Cupid memberships, gifts, cabaas, taxis, car rentals, etc. You be payin' somehow. Before anyone say "post some photos of your own", dude I'm not that stupid, and maybe I'm selfish. I'm not getting any younger so it's time to circle my wagons. Oh fuck it, maybe I'll dig up a few when I get a chance.[/QUOTE]I fuck pros.

Semi pros don't exist.

I pay when I fuck pros.

I never get fucked for free.

I'm not a loser, just a monger.

Mr. Perfect'S penis must be bigger than his brain.

BTW, anyone knows mr perfect can honestly say good things about him?

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1629900]Ha, as usual we are back, full circle, to the most debated theme. To my mind, anyone who "does not pay at all" is very much into mental masturbation and / or deception while the question of cheap vs overpay is a situational one. There is some truth in paying the "market price" but sex and perception of satisfaction is intimately connected with our individual hypothalamus, shaped by our experiences and we are not going to change any mind.[/QUOTE]Absolutely correct. This conversation goes nowhere. One man's meat is another man's poison, and your tastes and budget determine what you spend with who. You can blow a lot of mongering money on that dinner at Bailey's, or that extra leg room on the plane. And you can rent by the hour, day, or week, your choice.

There's enough meat down there to satisfy anybody's taste and budget, and I hope we don't discourage guys from posting pics of their good sex partners, just because they don't meet somebody else's standard of beauty. Otherwise it just becomes a bullshit pissing contest.

Big and small, we love 'em all. Keep the pics coming!

And, there's nobody in his right mind who get's his sex for free who would spend time here on a mongering board.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1629684] If I were a pretty boy with a small dick who came in less than fifteen minutes I would refuse to pay more than 1000 pesos.[/QUOTE]That's actually how I describe myself to ask for discounts from the girls. I tell them I leche quickly and they'd barely feel anything down there. Dame descuento mami?

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1630119]With all due respect to you and Savepro, isn't beauty in the eye of the beholder, "Free" or full sticker? I am more drawn to buxom women that others who are into flacas, may feel like throwing up looking at. Do I care to change others' viewpoints?[/QUOTE]Hi T, I have seen some of your pics of the buxom beauties and am begging to be your wingman! Any chance you will be in DR in January? Cervezas on me! My tentative plan is Jan 12 in Santo Domingo, Jan 13 - 18 at Rocky's in Sousa, Jan 19 and 20 in Santiago and Jan 21 - 24 back in Santo Domingo. Thanks.

I planning a trip for the same time period. I like the thick one as well.

[QUOTE=DCups;1630303]Hi T, I have seen some of your pics of the buxom beauties and am begging to be your wingman! Any chance you will be in DR in January? Cervezas on me! My tentative plan is Jan 12 in Santo Domingo, Jan 13 - 18 at Rocky's in Sousa, Jan 19 and 20 in Santiago and Jan 21 - 24 back in Santo Domingo. Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1630353]I planning a trip for the same time period. I like the thick one as well.[/QUOTE]Great, Old Kool! I would really like to meet you, too! My Spanish is weak at best so I really appreciate any assistance!

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1630295]I tell them ... they'd barely feel anything down there. [/QUOTE]Having a small dick is a big advantage if you want anal sex. I speak from personal experience!

Nothing is free. Those guys just talk stupid when they say they don't pay. Most women married or not are working girls. Just saying.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1630144]I fuck pros.

Semi pros don't exist.

I pay when I fuck pros.

I never get fucked for free.

I'm not a loser, just a monger.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1630404]Having a small dick is a big advantage if you want anal sex. I speak from personal experience![/QUOTE]Mr. Pooter,

You always crack me up.

New Toy for the Weekend Warriors.

[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0lB_qN6vDc[/URL]

Have any of you seen any of the people in the DR planting the new government mahogany trees.

Saturady, I did get me a nice young afternoon snack from the beach. Thousand peso Deal. I can't remember the session was good or not (ain't that something). I think about the Jamaican business owner and his beware advice. HE went loco when I was talking to the young lady in front of his business, however, I invited her to a beer and a sit in his area and HE was cool. A lot of business / bar owners may like the fact that the police are push the away the SW. SW can help or hurt your business.

Later on that night of my last night I settle with another repeat. Chica from my first time coming to Sosua. She was squirter like no other and I was hoping to repeat that fun session. She had gained about 10 pounds but it all looks well proportioned. She's hard-core now. When I first met her she would sleep in your room for free just to lay her head. She fuck me like no other; however I could not get her to squirt again. The pussy wasn't the same 1000 dicks later, but she tried to go out her way to please. I also the front desk let her go without any I'd. She kept her hand on my dick all night. Any signs of erection and she knocked it down. Think she was down for anal. I saluted her on her efforts to try and please. I gave her three dresses. She is my Sosua's first.

Said goodbye to her I will see you in a couple months. Perhaps.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1631141]............Later on that night of my last night I settle with another repeat. Chica from my first time coming to Sosua. She was squirter like no other and I was hoping to repeat that fun session. She had gained about 10 pounds but it all looks well proportioned. She's hard-core now. When I first met her she would sleep in your room for free just to lay her head. She fuck me like no other; however I could not get her to squirt again. The pussy wasn't the same 1000 dicks later, but she tried to go out her way to please. I also the front desk let her go without any I'd. She kept her hand on my dick all night. Any signs of erection and she knocked it down. Think she was down for anal. I saluted her on her efforts to try and please. I gave her three dresses. She is my Sosua's first.

Said goodbye to her I will see you in a couple months. Perhaps.[/QUOTE]That first time for a newbie can be quite memorable.

I met two chicas that night, the first was the chica I am still seeing regularly. She spent so much time behind the bar helping out, I thought she worked there.

The second, after the first one went home, was beautiful, in no hurry, eager to please and said I could pay what I thought she was worth. Not being familiar with the going rate I think I gave her 3000 for about two hours.

Same deal next night, first chica goes home again and the other one sat around all night, waiting till she goes.

Couldn't believe how great Sosua was. My room across the street at CV. Easy, fun, and no hassle. Thought I was being cool.

I think a newbie night like that would be rare in the Sosua of today.

(Found out later of course, that my regular knew exactly what was going on after she left, and made sure it didn't happen again) .

My second day in Sosua (over 5 years ago) I walked down to the beach. Had a beer at the little parking lot beach bar. Cigar, happy and planning my evening game. Talked to the chica there and had a great conversation, now I think I've got three to juggle into my plans. Just as it was getting interesting, the GF shows up. I'd told her I'd be on the beach the next day and she's been looking for me.

Never saw that bartender again uuntil a couple years later. She hung around with us for two days, said she was working at M&M. I knew I had to bang this chica somehow. After a few beers tried to get the GF to go for a threesome, but she looked at me like I was crazy.

On later trips I tried to find her but no luck, except when I was with the GF.

Fast forward to last month. GF and I were walking past Bailey's and hear our names called. There she is in Bailey's wearing a nice polo shirt and holding what I thought was a tray. Thought she was working there. We all sat down for a beer. She orders juice. Now I recall that I've never seen her drink alcohol. No, she said, I don't work here, I'm going to English school across the street. There were no jobs in Sosua she says. She looks about 25 and I ask her how old, she says 37!

Something about that turns me on. I wait till GF goes to toilet (after 5 years, finally alone) and tell her I'm coming back in October, no GF, and would like to see her. She's startled, No No she says, I could never do that!

I'm taken aback, and 5 years of being Mr Cool is unwinding here. Did I misjudge her affection for me? Did I assume from M&M that she woud do anything for Dinero? Is she loyal to my GF, or did GF get to her and lay down the law? Is she just being coy, or is that why in al these trips I never saw her on the strip? WTF?

Anyway, we all leave, give her some motoconcho money, and walk down to PC. Before she leaves we stop at the german bakery and she selects two large slices of cake to take home for her bambinos. She's happy and grateful.

Is that the end of the story?

We'll see in October.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1631324]My second day in Sosua (over 5 years ago) I walked down to the beach. Had a beer at the little parking lot beach bar. Cigar, happy and planning my evening game. Talked to the chica there and had a great conversation, now I think I've got three to juggle into my plans. Just as it was getting interesting, the GF shows up. I'd told her I'd be on the beach the next day and she's been looking for me.

Never saw that bartender again uuntil a couple years later. She hung around with us for two days, said she was working at M&M. I knew I had to bang this chica somehow. After a few beers tried to get the GF to go for a threesome, but she looked at me like I was crazy.

On later trips I tried to find her but no luck, except when I was with the GF.

Fast forward to last month. GF and I were walking past Bailey's and hear our names called. There she is in Bailey's wearing a nice polo shirt and holding what I thought was a tray. Thought she was working there. We all sat down for a beer. She orders juice. Now I recall that I've never seen her drink alcohol. No, she said, I don't work here, I'm going to English school across the street. There were no jobs in Sosua she says. She looks about 25 and I ask her how old, she says 37!

Something about that turns me on. I wait till GF goes to toilet (after 5 years, finally alone) and tell her I'm coming back in October, no GF, and would like to see her. She's startled, No No she says, I could never do that!

I'm taken aback, and 5 years of being Mr Cool is unwinding here. Did I misjudge her affection for me? Did I assume from M&M that she woud do anything for Dinero? Is she loyal to my GF, or did GF get to her and lay down the law? Is she just being coy, or is that why in al these trips I never saw her on the strip? WTF?

Anyway, we all leave, give her some motoconcho money, and walk down to PC. Before she leaves we stop at the german bakery and she selects two large slices of cake to take home for her bambinos. She's happy and grateful.

Is that the end of the story?

We'll see in October.[/QUOTE]Isn't this the GF that allows you to have three somes? Why was she hanging around for 2 days? Loyalty in Sosua is rare. I have seen cut throat sisters cross each other for money. You say she was 37, hanging in Sosua and didn't want to do business with you? Damn I would have told her. No amor you are going to fuck me and enjoy it! You should have been my novia. Take the 2 k to your kids. We are going to remain friend and ever talking about our business.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1631318]That first time for a newbie can be quite memorable.

(Found out later of course, that my regular knew exactly what was going on after she left, and made sure it didn't happen again) .[/QUOTE]See cut throats. For the love of money. I too paid 3 k in BC to a puta secod trip, but I was rushed. I see her sexy ass all the time now and she gets 0 from me or my friends. Don't even come over here. I know she wish she could turn back the hand of time and making things cool between us. Oh well! I have about 4 to 6 another chicas in that same boat.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1631350]Isn't this the GF that allows you to have three somes? Why was she hanging around for 2 days? Loyalty in Sosua is rare. I have seen cut throat sisters cross each other for money. You say she was 37, hanging in Sosua and didn't want to do business with you? Damn I would have told her. No amor you are going to fuck me and enjoy it! You should have been my novia. Take the 2 k to your kids. We are going to remain friend and ever talking about our business.[/QUOTE]Yep, my regular won't do it, and she wouldn't stick around if I did it. No big deal really, but if I banged another chica on her time, it would change the dynamic between us pretty quick. I don't want to do that, because I love things just as they are.

As for the 37 year old, I've only met her the three times, and she was either working at a regular job in Sosua, or going to night school, so she was never "hanging in Sosua" which is why I never found her on any of my many trips, even though I asked my local connections. She lives in L'Union with her ma and 2 bambinos.

But I love your advice. "No, amor, you are going to fuck me and enjoy it" That's me, next time.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1631324]
Fast forward to last month. GF and I were walking past Bailey's and hear our names called. There she is in Bailey's wearing a nice polo shirt and holding what I thought was a tray. Thought she was working there. We all sat down for a beer. She orders juice. Now I recall that I've never seen her drink alcohol. No, she said, I don't work here, I'm going to English school across the street. There were no jobs in Sosua she says. She looks about 25 and I ask her how old, she says 37!

Something about that turns me on. I wait till GF goes to toilet (after 5 years, finally alone) and tell her I'm coming back in October, no GF, and would like to see her. She's startled, No No she says, I could never do that!

I'm taken aback, and 5 years of being Mr Cool is unwinding here. Did I misjudge her affection for me? Did I assume from M&M that she woud do anything for Dinero? Is she loyal to my GF, or did GF get to her and lay down the law? Is she just being coy, or is that why in al these trips I never saw her on the strip? WTF?

[/QUOTE]Oh come on, man! It is perfectly obvious why she did not want to see you behind the girlfriend's back, and by hitting on her while the girlfriend was in the bathroom, you showed real class.

Thanks for reporting bro. You are enjoying life and living life to its fullest but don't get into a comfort zone yet. There are other opportunities awaiting you but you must let your mind grow. Think about the next level and you will be ahead of the game. If you don't grow to the next level you will be stuck in a game that will become boring and repetitious. The potential is there but you can't be afraid to let it express itself.

Good luck bro.

Camaro in Sosua Synopsis October 2014.

Gentleman I have just completed my most recent excursion throughout the Dominican Republic. This trip will include separate synopsis reports on Bonao, & Santiago. I was going to write something on Puerto Plata, although I made 2 day trips there was nothing of significance to report.

The aforementioned reports will include anecdotes and my observations of the conditions and activities on the ground of each of the locations. This trip includes 2 days in Sosua, 2 days in Bonao, 1 day in Santiago and closes with 3 days in Sosua.

Below I have listed my notes for your review.

Victorian House.

I have stayed at the Victorian House on various occasions due to the incredible view of Sosua Bay and in support of other board members who have been a part of the Victorian House management team.

Personally my primary complaint has been on one of my trips I had problems with the WIFI operating in my room. It should be noted this trip I had no problems, the WIFI worked perfectly. In addition it can be a challenge getting the hotel registration staff to respond to your inquiries.

There have been many reported challenges at Victorian House from loosing reservations to poor security as in all life's experiences YMMV.

Casa Cayena.

I have stayed at Casa Cayena before but I thought I would try the bungalow as opposed to the basic room. The bungalow is a much bigger room and is poolside. The rate includes breakfast and dinner so it was a steel.

The room has a patio, flat screen TV, safe in the closet and the WIFI along with the air conditioning work well.

Wilfred the owner of Casa Cayena.

As previously stated this is my second stay at Casa Cayena and I would be neglectful if I did not make notable mention of Wilfred. Every time HE sees you in the restaurant HE goes out of his way to greet you and shake your hand. Will somebody tell me wur dey do datt at? I have not been at a hotel or any establishment in the Dominican Republic where the owner personally greets you therefore to Wilfred I say BRAVO!

Pedro Clisante update October 3, 2014.

There have been a few changes on Pedro Clisante since my last trip in August, below I have listed my observations:

City Lights:

City Lights is as dead as a door knob may last few trips now it is officially closed with gates up and the whole 9 yards.

Bermuda Bar.

Bermuda Bar has their window openings blocked just like Bar Central but seems to keep a small crowd despite being such a small venue.

Rumbas:

Rumbas is still the late afternoon early evening gathering spot but the talent pool during the week leaves much to be desired. The talent level depends on the day of the week, for example on Mondays it sucks but on Fridays it rocks.

The Premium Disco Bar:

The Premium Disco Bar had chairs on the sidewalk and there was very little of a crowd than my last trip and less security.

The Spot:

The Spot is closed the doors are locked and the Flat screen TV's that were on the walls have been taken down. Everything is boarded up.

The Winners Circle:

I saw a little crowd there each time I walked by but mostly people standing out front.

Bar Central.

Bar Central considered to be the Hatian Embassy because there are so many Hatians is virtually dead with the sign posted "no unaccompanied women" and the louvers over the windows it appears to be in decline.

Merengue:

Merengue is my favorite spot in the late evening because of the friendly staff and light snack they serve wings sandwiches etc. The kitchen is closed on Mondays. I also like being able to watch the chica parade up to Classicos through the glass partitions. I enjoy the staff as they always treat me like family.

Classicos.

Classicos remains the crown of Sosua monger night life. I enjoy the night club atmosphere and air-conditioning. Sosua's best comes out but just like Rumbas the talent level varies based on the day of the week. They open at 11 pm and it is on and poppin by 1 am.

Mamajuana Cafe:

The Mamajuana Cafe is closed on Sundays and is still a chill spot but it has very little traffic during the week. This another spot that is having difficulty surviving.

Cambio & New Dominican Currency Notes.

The Dominican Republic is currently circulating new currency notes which contain sophisticated anti-counterfeiting measures. The bills are issued in 50,100, 1000 and 2000 peso denominations.

Cambio exchange rates as of October 9, 2014 are as follows:

Western Union 43.6 DOP -1 US.

Casa de Cambio Ortega is giving 43.3 DOP -US.

Merengue / Classicos 35. DOP-US.

Rumbas & Rancho Tipico raided September 6, 2014.

Both Rumbas and Rancho Tipo received visits from approximately a dozen governmental officials September 6, 2014 for about 30 minutes. The officials were armed with side arms, shotguns and assault rifles. The officials entered and did not allow patrons to enter or exit during their stay. The music was turned off. Three teams of two agents each appeared to be conducting a search.

For approximately 10-15 minutes, two teams of officials questioned and searched selected tables of male patrons while the other officials maintained the perimeter. They made them stand with hands in the air then they patted them down and emptied their pockets after which the officials left both locations without incident.

*Reported by: Eriks and Seville.

No predictions just observations.

Mongers and chicas alike need to prepare for the likely transition of Sosua. Mongers should diversify locations and develop alternate means of contact and interacting with chicas and Sosua PFP chicas need to do the same. If we look at the actions of the Dominican government a pattern emerges. PFP establishments or personalities that were noticeably directly or indirectly connected to prostitution in Sosua have been adversely effected.

1. The owner of Passions was incarcerated for a period and his business was shut down.

2. Cuba-Dave the most vocal and visible advocate of Passions and CMP reportedly was asked to leave the Dominican Republic and not to return.

3. the'Latins one of Pedro Clisante's premier mongering venues was forced to close.

4. The owner of Rumba was briefly incarcerated and has left the Dominican Republic.

5. Most recently the primary promoter of the Victoria House pool parties was detained and extorted.

6. Armando Casciati the reported owner of Classicos has been arrested.

Peter of Passions, Bobby of Rumbas, Willie of the' Latin's and Armando of Classicos have become victims of the winds of change in Sosua. An observation of the evidence indicates that this thing of ours as we knew it in Sosua is on the decline and it is unknown what the future will hold. A reasonable observation based on the aforementioned pattern that the government's intention is to change the face of Sosua therefore those who are interested in Dominican Republic and Sosua specifically as a mongering destination need to be prepared to flow with the transition because those who are not prepared will not survive.

I suspect the intent is to reduce the activity in the tourist areas (or at least the most visible ones). It's utterly hypocritical, since prostitution is legal but I realize there is a difference between Dominicanized prostitution that is cultural and systemic and sex tourism that is blasted on the internet looks bad for the country. It remains to be seen how far the government will go with this crackdown.

Prostitution vs. Sex Tourism.

I have visited Casa de Citas & Car Washes in almost every place I have been in the Dominican Republic. These sex venues are a part of the Dominican landscape and exist in almost every corner of the country. The fact is that unless you are in a major area these places are for locals and not for tourist. In my experience going into these places you are looked at as if you are a aardvark in a zoo.

The problem with current events is not prostitution it is sex tourism. Prostitution is a part of the culture in the Dominican Republic and an unintended consequence has been the growth of sex tourism over the years. I evidence indicates the government is targeting sex tourism more than prostitution.

Toda La Noche.

If you like morning sex to satisfy the morning wood TLN might be the answer. Notice I said might? There are a few risk with TLN to include the chica wanting more money for less sex and skipping the morning session. Then there are those chicas who can sleep into the early afternoon. REALLY?

Unless you have previously been with a woman there is no way you can know if there will be sufficient chemistry for TLN and even when you know a chica she can switch up on you because they can be notoriously fickle.

Back when I first started in Sosua TLN implied sex in the morning and I often did not discuss it but received it, however recently it seems that with the microwave sex group of PFP chicas in Sosua they think mongers should pay them to sleep with them without sex in the morning. I have several problems with this mentality the first being the woman with this attitude has demonstrated that she does not want to please her client. The other problem is it is indicative of the laziness that these chicas have fallen into. Simply put they want more for less. What's worse is I have tried to communicate this to more than one chica and they really do not want to hear it.

How many jobs exist in the Dominican Republic where employers pay their employees to sleep? Such is the case when a monger pays for TLN and the situation is exasperated when the chica decides to leave in the morning without sealing the deal. The bottom line is that TLN can be a waste of time and money or a great investment as well as very enjoyable with a woman you have a connection with but buyers need to beware TLN can also be a risk.

C est La Vi Bar & Grill.

The see est La Vi Bar and Grill is next to Baileys, while walking to the strip everyday a camarera from the bar continued to smile at me so I got her digits and subsequently invited her to lunch at the Casa Cayena. We hit it off well and I invited her t my room so we could share Facebook photos one thing led to another and whalah!

The experience was one of the best of my trip because I got off my normal stomping grounds of Pedro Clisante and I approached her like a normal woman. At no time did we discuss sex or money it just happened. After a pleasant afternoon together I gave her something for her baby and she went to work. I will definitely try to repeat the process on future trips.

Tony Montana.

I have been coming to Sosua for an extended amount of time and have never been approached by Tony Montana or his representatives. For some reason I was hit a couple of times this trip. Although I do not deal with Tony Montana for personal and professional reasons the reality is that his business is a part of the scene in Sosua. This message is for newbies who may be unaware of the consequences of spending time with the wrong people. The Dominican Republic is a trans-shipment point for Tony Montana therefore it is readily accessible through moto-conchos or the chicas. It is obvious by the behavior of some of the street people of Sosua that they have been adversely affected by Tony Montana. My advice is there is entirely too much risk associated with Tony Montana in the Dominican Republic because those who spend time with him put themselves in the situation of getting set up and spending their vacation with a group of locked up Dominicanos as opposed to a group of free Dominicanas. Enough said.

Closing trip thoughts.

I will probably retire at the end of the month which will change my objectives going forward.

Sosua is still alive and well with plenty of action. We do not know what the future holds but those who enjoy Sosua can continue to do so for the time being.

Although I did not score apart from the Sosua chicas I believe my trip was very productive. I had an authentic Dominican experience in Bonao that taught me much about life and culture in the Dominican Republic. As well as I had an experience in Santiago that demonstrated regardless as to what status a chica is civilian-non pro, semi-pro or pro there are risk in this thing of ours and we have to learn to minimize those risk.

Sosua prices remain all over the map from the typical day time action of 1000-1500 DOP for ST to the night time action going anywhere from 1500-4000 DOP depending on how the chica values herself and your negotiation skills. Even though things are slow most 7 & 8 chicas that perceive themselves to be attractive are not taking less that 2000 DOP for ST and prefer a minimum of 2500 DOP for ST.

Another challenge mongers face with TLN encounters is what I call sleeping chicas. Many chicas feel that after your first nut they can sleep on your dime and not service you in the morning. I have been traveling to Sosua for an extended period of time and I have discovered that recently that is becoming common with chicas even when you have negotiated 2 leches. Going forward I would not do TLN with a chica I am not acquainted with and even then I would be skeptical. It makes no sense to me to pay an extra 1 or 2000 DOP just to hear a woman snore and take up space in your bed.

I ventured outside my normal Pedro Clisante stomping grounds and met a nice camarera who gave me the best experience of my trip. In hindsight in all my years in Sosua how I have neglected to walk through a door that has been open all the time.

I continue rejoice in the fact that todas las mujeres no son igual there are plenty of sharks in the Dominican Republic but there are plenty of dolphins also. This trip I spent time with a couple of civilian -non pro chicas that were more like dolphins than sharks, although there was no sex I believe there are good possibilities going forward.

Conclusion.

My next trip will be the second week in November with Tgunz we will be doing a Mao-Esperanza excursion. Since I will be retired I may stay a little longer than originally planned and hit some other spots as well as look for a place to live while I am in country. I will keep you guys posted.

I hope I'm not being crass, but what is the going rate for some pussy in DR? I don't want to pay too much and inflate prices nor do I want to be a cheap skate. I have never been there.

And planning my first trip there in January. Hope to get laid. How much should I pay the lady that helps me fulfill this vision?

[QUOTE=Camaro1257;1631613]Camaro in Sosua Synopsis October 2014.















Tony Montana.

I have been coming to Sosua for an extended amount of time and have never been approached by Tony Montana or his representatives. For some reason I was hit a couple of times this trip. Although I do not deal with Tony Montana for personal and professional reasons the reality is that his business is a part of the scene in Sosua. This message is for newbies who may be unaware of the consequences of spending time with the wrong people. The Dominican Republic is a trans-shipment point for Tony Montana therefore it is readily accessible through moto-conchos or the chicas. It is obvious by the behavior of some of the street people of Sosua that they have been adversely affected by Tony Montana. My advice is there is entirely too much risk associated with Tony Montana in the Dominican Republic because those who spend time with him put themselves in the situation of getting set up and spending their vacation with a group of locked up Dominicanos as opposed to a group of free Dominicanas. Enough said.





.[/QUOTE]If any one hears the name Tony Montana they need to just walk away and not return. Many vacations have ben ruined by this. Nothing worse than to be peaking out some window in the DR.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1631610]Thanks for reporting bro. You are enjoying life and living life to its fullest but don't get into a comfort zone yet. There are other opportunities awaiting you but you must let your mind grow. Think about the next level and you will be ahead of the game. If you don't grow to the next level you will be stuck in a game that will become boring and repetitious. The potential is there but you can't be afraid to let it express itself. Good luck bro.[/QUOTE]I got you MG. As you and tell I am a hot head but not a hard head. I do listen. Mr E gave me the Thai approval. I just can get passed the being on a plane that long. Mr. E can we use your jet, I know to got one.

[QUOTE=Grub1;1631757]If any one hears the name Tony Montana they need to just walk away and not return. Many vacations have ben ruined by this. Nothing worse than to be peaking out some window in the DR.[/QUOTE]Tony Montana what a joke. The guys tries to use word association to appeal to you order to sell you bullshit drugs. With all the bullshit that can happen buying from the guys. I just Say No. I have scene the Bahamas with better garbage weed from their street sellers. At least there they are less likely to working with the police.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1631422]Oh come on, man! It is perfectly obvious why she did not want to see you behind the girlfriend's back, and by hitting on her while the girlfriend was in the bathroom, you showed real class.[/QUOTE]It wasn't my fault, honest.

The devil made me do it!

[QUOTE=Lonely566;1631728]I hope I'm not being crass, but what is the going rate for some pussy in DR? I don't want to pay too much and inflate prices nor do I want to be a cheap skate. I have never been there.[/QUOTE]Read the Forum!

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1631927]Read the Forum![/QUOTE]I believe the accepted phrase is "RTFF". I leave you to work out what the additional "F" stands for.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1631953]I believe the accepted phrase is "RTFF". [/QUOTE]I just did not want to be crass even though such inane questions have been addressed hundreds of times for the benefit of the sloths.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1631953]I believe the accepted phrase is "RTFF". I leave you to work out what the additional "F" stands for.[/QUOTE]And I did RTFF. Can't find anything specific. I like to pay around 20 usd for a roll in the hay. Will that type of fiscal thinking get me far in DR?

For 20 US you might get a blowjob or can mastrubate yourself.

I hope you know the Change Ratio of US $ to Pesos. When you really did read the Forums you would know that 20 $ will not bring you close to a Pussy.

[QUOTE=Lonely566;1632253]And I did RTFF. Can't find anything specific. I like to pay around 20 usd for a roll in the hay. Will that type of fiscal thinking get me far in DR?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lonely566;1632253]And I did RTFF. Can't find anything specific. I like to pay around 20 usd for a roll in the hay. Will that type of fiscal thinking get me far in DR?[/QUOTE]See one of my reports from about a week and a half ago with explicit detail as to what you can get for $ 20 US.

[QUOTE=RocheBrazi;1632256]For 20 US you might get a blowjob or can mastrubate yourself.

I hope you know the Change Ratio of US $ to Pesos. When you really did read the Forums you would know that 20 $ will not bring you close to a Pussy.[/QUOTE]1,000 Pesos or about $ 23 can get you a lot in Sosua including a blowjob.

[QUOTE=RocheBrazi;1632256]When you really did read the Forums you would know that 20 $ will not bring you close to a Pussy.[/QUOTE]Not in the tourist areas where 99% of our reports come from, that is true. But this poster is thinking of biking off the beaten track. Plenty of attractive young girls in the boondocks who will fuck for 1000 pesos (US $23). Lonely says he speaks Spanish well. This is key.

[QUOTE=Lonely566;1631728]I hope I'm not being crass, but what is the going rate for some pussy in DR? I don't want to pay too much and inflate prices nor do I want to be a cheap skate. I have never been there.

And planning my first trip there in January. Hope to get laid. How much should I pay the lady that helps me fulfill this vision?[/QUOTE]The below is an excerpt of my most recent trip report:

"Sosua prices remain all over the map from the typical day time action of 1000-1500 DOP for ST to the night time action going anywhere from 1500-4000 DOP depending on how the chica values herself and your negotiation skills. Even though things are slow most 7 & 8 chicas that perceive themselves to be attractive are not taking less that 2000 DOP for ST and prefer a minimum of 2500 DOP for ST. ".

[QUOTE=Camaro1257;1632294]The below is an excerpt of my most recent trip report:

"Sosua prices remain all over the map from the typical day time action of 1000-1500 DOP for ST to the night time action going anywhere from 1500-4000 DOP depending on how the chica values herself and your negotiation skills. Even though things are slow most 7 & 8 chicas that perceive themselves to be attractive are not taking less that 2000 DOP for ST and prefer a minimum of 2500 DOP for ST. ".[/QUOTE]I only pay for short time 1,000 pesos which is $23 and that gets me a BBBJ, to completion if I want, and a nice fuck, covered. I get that on a regular basis, my spanish is very good. Granted that is in SD not Sousoua but I would have to believe that I can get that anywhere on the island.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1632270]Not in the tourist areas where 99% of our reports come from, that is true. But this poster is thinking of biking off the beaten track. Plenty of attractive young girls in the boondocks who will fuck for 1000 pesos (US $23). Lonely says he speaks Spanish well. This is key.[/QUOTE]There are people here who also say they do not pay anything. It is the women who pay for the privilege. Perhaps one can get that treatment in this case as well, what with speaking Spanish and then the whole point of money exchange is moot.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1632270]Not in the tourist areas where 99% of our reports come from, that is true. But this poster is thinking of biking off the beaten track. Plenty of attractive young girls in the boondocks who will fuck for 1000 pesos (US $23). Lonely says he speaks Spanish well. This is key.[/QUOTE]Lonely is going to pay what Lonely is used to pay - $20, regardless of what we tell him. HE asked for advice on biking, we warned him against it, HE said HE's going to ride, just like HE's been. In other countries. HE said HE's used to pay $20 for pussy, then HE comes to ask us. We tell him differently. Guess what? HE's going to say well I'm cool with $20.

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1632400]Lonely is going to pay what Lonely is used to pay - $20, regardless of what we tell him. HE asked for advice on biking, we warned him against it, HE said HE's going to ride, just like HE's been. In other countries. HE said HE's used to pay $20 for pussy, then HE comes to ask us. We tell him differently. Guess what? HE's going to say well I'm cool with $20.[/QUOTE]You say it like I ignore the things you guys tell me. That is not so. I go sky diving from time to time. I always ask all the questions that I can think of before a jump. I learn everything.

Available about wind, landing hazards for that field, powerlines, ect. Before committing to leaving a perfectly good airplane. I apply that model to every endeavor I participate in. And.

I am applying it now. I believe I have good intel on pussy prices, thanks to this post thread. In Sousa expect to pay near 50 usd, away from the cities I can expect to pay much less.

That is what I needed to know. Thank you and I appreciate you sharing information with me.

[QUOTE=Lonely566;1632673]You say it like I ignore the things you guys tell me. That is not so. I go sky diving from time to time. I always ask all the questions that I can think of before a jump. I learn everything.

Available about wind, landing hazards for that field, powerlines, ect. Before committing to leaving a perfectly good airplane. I apply that model to every endeavor I participate in. And.

I am applying it now. I believe I have good intel on pussy prices, thanks to this post thread. In Sousa expect to pay near 50 usd, away from the cities I can expect to pay much less.

That is what I needed to know. Thank you and I appreciate you sharing information with me.[/QUOTE]You have gone from $ 20 to $ 50 US and you say you have good intel on pussy prices so where does the $ 50 figure come from when several members on this board including myself have informed you that 1,000 Pesos or approximately $ 23 US is easily doable in Sosua.

If your fluent in Spanish you can have a field day in Sosua and can figure that $ 50 will get you at least two ST sessions.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1632688]You have gone from $ 20 to $ 50 US and you say you have good intel on pussy prices so where does the $ 50 figure come from when several members on this board including myself have informed you that 1,000 Pesos or approximately $ 23 US is easily doable in Sosua.

If your fluent in Spanish you can have a field day in Sosua and can figure that $ 50 will get you at least two ST sessions.[/QUOTE]I hope you know the Change Ratio of US $ to Pesos. When you really did read the Forums you would know that 20 $ will not bring you close to a Pussy.

Considering the above post. Someone does not know what they are talking about.

[QUOTE=Lonely566;1632713]I hope you know the Change Ratio of US $ to Pesos. When you really did read the Forums you would know that 20 $ will not bring you close to a Pussy.

Considering the above post. Someone does not know what they are talking about.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=210745&stc=1&d=1413325121[/URL]

[QUOTE=Lonely566;1632673]I go sky diving from time to time. [/QUOTE]If you do that in the DR, don't let a Dominican pack your parachute. I wouldn't trust one to pack my lunchbox.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1632718]If you do that in the DR, don't let a Dominican pack your parachute. I wouldn't trust one to pack my lunchbox.[/QUOTE]I will only be practicing muff diving in DR. Uhhh. Looks like I'm going to get a ticket to land in PP. I have several numbers from DC. Can anyone suggest GF friendly hotels.

In PP under 50 bucks per night? I may want to invite some of these ladies to visit me. Lonely.

[QUOTE=Lonely566;1632713]I hope you know the Change Ratio of US $ to Pesos. When you really did read the Forums you would know that 20 $ will not bring you close to a Pussy.

Considering the above post. Someone does not know what they are talking about.[/QUOTE]The exchange rate is at least 43.5 Pesos to the the dollar which at $ 20 US will equal 918 Pesos. Your statement that $ 20 will not bring you close to Pussy is not valid. You said I should read the forums. It's one thing to read the reports in the forum, and another to post actual trip reports based on actual experiences in the DR. Several members have stated that 1,000 Pesos or $ 23 will get you full service and more. Perhaps you were injured while sky-diving and have difficulty with exchange rates, math, and reading comprehension.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1632746]The exchange rate is at least 43.5 Pesos to the the dollar which at $ 20 US will equal 918 Pesos. Your statement that $ 20 will not bring you close to Pussy is not valid. You said I should read the forums. It's one thing to read the reports in the forum, and another to post actual trip reports based on actual experiences in the DR. Several members have stated that 1,000 Pesos or $ 23 will get you full service and more. Perhaps you were injured while sky-diving and have difficulty with exchange rates, math, and reading comprehension.[/QUOTE]To be a little bit more accurate if the exchange rate is at least 43.5 to the dollar that would mean that:

20 USDx43.5 DOP=870 DOP.

At this rate 918 DOP=21.1 USD (approximately). I am guessing that there was some rounding off, which explains the discrepancy.

If you go to XE Currency the exchange rate as of 10/15/14 is 43.7950 DOP (which sounds unusually high to me! At this rate:

20 USDx43.795 DOP=875.899 DOP.

In all due respect to everyone, yeah, you can get action for about $20 (I've done it).

You can get action in Camden and atlantic city nj to for 20.00 But if it's 20.00 personally I don't want it. I been to DR many times. I don't want what you get for 20.00 just saying!

[QUOTE=Boriman;1632811]To be a little bit more accurate if the exchange rate is at least 43.5 to the dollar that would mean that:

20 USDx43.5 DOP=870 DOP.

At this rate 918 DOP=21.1 USD (approximately). I am guessing that there was some rounding off, which explains the discrepancy.

If you go to XE Currency the exchange rate as of 10/15/14 is 43.7950 DOP (which sounds unusually high to me! At this rate:

20 USDx43.795 DOP=875.899 DOP.

In all due respect to everyone, yeah, you can get action for about $20 (I've done it).[/QUOTE]

You don't even need to be fluent in Spanish to do that. You can sit at any of the little scrungy bars in Sosua and the girls will come. I often sit at the little corner bar across from rumba (there is a heavy set Dominican girl that has bartended there for many years. She is nice and reflects a normal side of living in the dr. I always stop by and have a few drinks and leave her a nice tip) and there's always 20.00working girls there. I buy them a beer but would never do anything with them.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1632688]You have gone from $ 20 to $ 50 US and you say you have good intel on pussy prices so where does the $ 50 figure come from when several members on this board including myself have informed you that 1,000 Pesos or approximately $ 23 US is easily doable in Sosua.

If your fluent in Spanish you can have a field day in Sosua and can figure that $ 50 will get you at least two ST sessions.[/QUOTE]

Most guys on here just read reports with out posting and most of them have all the info 1 would need for getting pussy as cheap or as much as 1 would want to pay. In the DR people need money and they need it now. Some and most just need what money can buy so if you are willing to take care of them you can get out for the price of food and clothing.

For the guys who say lonely cannot get pussy for 20 dollars they just don't really know the true DR.

Good looking pussy can be had I know for 500 pesos around the Island but if you want it cheaper it may cost you in the long run buying food and whatever they may want or need.

This is a amazing country where 1 can find him self and after doing so HE can find many young willing women to have fun with at a reasonable price.

As long as you have gasoline in your auto you can never really be lost.

[QUOTE=Grub1;1632959]Most guys on here just read reports with out posting and most of them have all the info 1 would need for getting pussy as cheap or as much as 1 would want to pay. In the DR people need money and they need it now. Some and most just need what money can buy so if you are willing to take care of them you can get out for the price of food and clothing.

For the guys who say lonely cannot get pussy for 20 dollars they just don't really know the true DR.

[/QUOTE]It appears as though Lonely is the only one who thinks HE cannot get pussy for $ 20 US in the DR.

Price.

The price of chicas in the DR is very stable overall but like everywhere varies based on a lot of factors.

When I first went there in 2002 the standard price was 500 pesos ST, 1000 toda la noche. The exchange rate was 16:1 so a little over $30ST. Standard price meaning for a visiting extranjero, a chica 18-25 of average quality, other things being equal.

There is a strong gravitational pull of the price to round numbers. Payment is in cash. Even for ordinary transactions getting change can be a problem. So with exchange at 43:1 the ST price is 1500, but that's still rounding up a bit so offers at 1000 while below the line make sense. In a situation with bargaining or uncertainty it means the asking price is 3000 or 2 x the expected clearing price just as it would be for fish or platanos.

If there is the prospect for repeat business or ongoing greater benefits then the price changes. Expats can be patient and selective and also are prospects for on going business so they pay less. There is also much less risk of harm from a known local resident than a stranger and the more known the more comfortable the transaction. This is essentially the same for all business.

The cost of doing business changes price. Part of the cost for a chica is how pleasant or unpleasant the experience is. If the customer courts her, is clean, tries to be an attentive lover, treats her respectfully like a novia ,the cost is much lower. If he's an asshole who treats her badly the cost is high.

BTW, while dollars are accepted by chicas and most businesses, they are discounted from the regular exchange so $20 won't get 860 pesos worth of platanos or pussy.

[QUOTE=YouCan;1632898]You don't even need to be fluent in Spanish to do that. You can sit at any of the little scrungy bars in Sosua and the girls will come. I often sit at the little corner bar across from rumba (there is a heavy set Dominican girl that has bartended there for many years. She is nice and reflects a normal side of living in the dr. I always stop by and have a few drinks and leave her a nice tip) and there's always 20.00working girls there. I buy them a beer but would never do anything with them.[/QUOTE]The same holds true for the majority of the girls hanging around Bar Central.

If a chica asks for a too high price and sticks to it even after negotiation, I move on. If I go to a casa with a fixed price and don't see any one worth that price, I move on.

I believe in treating the chicas with respect. Part of being respectful is fair pay for good service. Sometimes you get bad service for the agreed price, but then shit happens. I will give girls who give me exceptional service more than those of similar attributes with poor attitudes, by means of a propina.

Thank you. Not hard to understand that!!

[QUOTE=Turgid;1633397]If a chica asks for a too high price and sticks to it even after negotiation, I move on. If I go to a casa with a fixed price and don't see any one worth that price, I move on.

I believe in treating the chicas with respect. Part of being respectful is fair pay for good service. Sometimes you get bad service for the agreed price, but then shit happens. I will give girls who give me exceptional service more than those of similar attributes with poor attitudes, by means of a propina.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=YouCan;1632898]You don't even need to be fluent in Spanish to do that. You can sit at any of the little scrungy bars in Sosua and the girls will come. I always stop by and have a few drinks and there's always 20.00working girls there. [/QUOTE]Good info for the new guys.

This is what the new Sosua will look like?

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrRirXT-6d8&feature=youtu.be[/URL]

OMG I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1634019]This is what the new Sosua will look like?

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrRirXT-6d8&feature=youtu.be[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mongerer69;1634881]OMG I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.[/QUOTE]I went there once with a reservation way before Wilfried had CC. They basically didn't give a shit I was there so I walked out. First night I spent at Rocky's which was cool but HE was booked the rest of the week. I walked to NG and spent the rest of my time there. I think the mayor is trying to convey the mindset to all comerce in Sosua.

It's been a very long time since I have posted anything to this board especially a trip report with pics. Like many of you, I have stopped posting pics chicas that I have taken during my trips, because of Captin Save a Ho. You know him. HE is the guy that runs back and tells the chica that her picture is on the internet. Then the chica is mad at you when you return. So I have come up with a way of posting pics that can not be traced back to me. I will tell my stories using the pictures posted by the chica herself, from her Whatsapp account. I don't use Facebook but I'm sure that pictures from there would get the job done just the same. Many chicas change their pictures on Whatsapp about once or twice a week so I can gather a few pics. I still take personal pics of the Chicas during my trips but I will not post those pics. I will keep them private.

So let me say that the down side to communicating with chicas on Whatsapp is, you will always get that fuckin RFM. That's Request For Money as Cuba Dave calls it.

So let me start by posting pics of my 1st Chica. Carolina. Many of you will recognize her as one of the bartenders from the Latins or from Marengue Bar. I met her When she was at the Latins Bar. She played the good girl, I'm not a puta role. To be honest she never asked me for money and my night with her was like a regular date. No talk of money. The sex was great and she left at about 5 am. Of course I took care of her and I was generous with the pesos. It only took a few week of talking on Whatsapp before she hit with the RFM. I had to let her know that, I am not Captin Save a Ho. When I said no she had no more time to talk. Oh Well on to the next one.

Hope fully many of you will find this method of illustrating your trips without having to worry about future problems coming back to haunt you. And maybe there will be more trip reports.

This is Claribel. I met her in one of the many now closed bars of Sosua. When I first met her she didn't stand out. She was just one of many chicas that was eyeing me like a tiger eyes a baby dear. Later that night Claribel managed to corner me in one of the crowed standing room only Discostecas. She took that opportunity to show me that she was more than just legs and ass. She had a fun and perky personality. Claribel wasted no time and turned that ass around to grind on me, while I was trapped up against the bar. This girl had legs for days. It was nice to see a sexy natural body, now that a lot of the girls in Sosua are running around with the fake culos. I knew that I had too to take her for the night. Back at the room she didn't disappoint me. We had a great time. At the end of the night, I walked her to the Motochonco she gave me her number and told me to text her on Whatsapp. I took the number and gave her the standard fare for time well spent. Later during the trip she wanted to repeat with me, and I with her. But there was just too many chicas and not enough time.

It was not long after I got back home, that I received that Fuckin RFM. Of course like all the other chicas, they have no time for friends if you are not going to send them money. Needless to say I didn't send the money and we are no longer friends. Que Bueno.

The pics below were taken from her Whatsapp account. I will keep the pictures I took of our activities in the room private.

Pics are great. Both girls are smoking hot. I am totally in love with the blonde.

I know that "The Amazon" is a place but I like to use it to describe this next chica. Meet Christina. Truth be told, I didn't even fuck this chica, even though we had a few drinks together and dance together a few days over my trip. I met her during the day,. At the now closed City Lights. She was staying at one of the rooms there. She would come over on a daily basis and drink and dance with me, all in an effort to get me to go with her. She even tried the old "You don't have to give me any money" trick. This girl was a wild one. There is nothing tamed about this girl at all. I passed on her because she didn't have a cedula. I could have gotten around this but I just don't mess around too much with chicas that don't have a cedula. When she is in heels she stands well over 6 feet tall. Hopefully she will have a cedula by the time I make my next trip. Maybe someone else can tell us how she was in the room.

The below pics are from her Whatsapp account. I will keep the pictures that I took with her private.

I forgot to mention that this chica is all natural. She has a truly amazing ass and flat stomach.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1635607]Pics are great. Both girls are smoking hot. I am totally in love with the blonde.[/QUOTE]I'm glad that you like the pics. After that video of the new Sosua, I figured this board needs an injection of inspiration to get it back to what it should be all about.

[QUOTE=Crossfire1;1635620]I'm glad that you like the pics. After that video of the new Sosua, I figured this board needs an injection of inspiration to get it back to what it should be all about.[/QUOTE]Damned right!

Thanks for the pics and your take on the girls.

[QUOTE=Crossfire1;1635578]It's been a very long time since I have posted anything to this board especially a trip report with pics. Like many of you, I have stopped posting pics chicas that I have taken during my trips, because of Captin Save a Ho. You know him. HE is the guy that runs back and tells the chica that her picture is on the internet. Then the chica is mad at you when you return. So I have come up with a way of posting pics that can not be traced back to me. I will tell my stories using the pictures posted by the chica herself, from her Whatsapp account. I don't use Facebook but I'm sure that pictures from there would get the job done just the same. Many chicas change their pictures on Whatsapp about once or twice a week so I can gather a few pics. I still take personal pics of the Chicas during my trips but I will not post those pics. I will keep them private.

So let me say that the down side to communicating with chicas on Whatsapp is, you will always get that fuckin RFM. That's Request For Money as Cuba Dave calls it.

So let me start by posting pics of my 1st Chica. Carolina. Many of you will recognize her as one of the bartenders from the Latins or from Marengue Bar. I met her When she was at the Latins Bar. She played the good girl, I'm not a puta role. To be honest she never asked me for money and my night with her was like a regular date. No talk of money. The sex was great and she left at about 5 am. Of course I took care of her and I was generous with the pesos. It only took a few week of talking on Whatsapp before she hit with the RFM. I had to let her know that, I am not Captin Save a Ho. When I said no she had no more time to talk. Oh Well on to the next one.

Hope fully many of you will find this method of illustrating your trips without having to worry about future problems coming back to haunt you. And maybe there will be more trip reports.[/QUOTE]I've already been accused of being Oakie down there.

Not hard to figure when I've given blow by blow descriptions of all my trips, and my connections, with the occasional pics.

You have to understand that a lot of Sosua regulars (chicas, bar, restaurant and hotel owners) are familiar with this board and read it like a newspaper.

Oh well, all of what I post is the truth as I see it, and I'm generally respectful of the inmates, so who cares.

You know what's funny. I been on these boards for years. I could careless about pictures on this board. And I never ask who this chica is or that chica is? Because I could careless about fucking some ho. I ind a girl be fun and make a deal. It always makes me cringe guys ask who fucked who? Get the fuck out of herd. I don't want to know wwho fucked my ho.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1635627]I've already been accused of being Oakie down there.

Not hard to figure when I've given blow by blow descriptions of all my trips, and my connections, with the occasional pics.

You have to understand that a lot of Sosua regulars (chicas, bar, restaurant and hotel owners) are familiar with this board and read it like a newspaper.

Oh well, all of what I post is the truth as I see it, and I'm generally respectful of the inmates, so who cares.[/QUOTE]

Rosy was my favorite of the trip when I met her. I was in Latins Bar mid way through my trip. I was tired of the same ol puta, many of whom I had fucked on previous trips. Then there was rosy standing in front of me. I talked and dance with her, to get to know her, as much as one could in a club. I found out that we had really good chemistry. In the room she was great. Pictures and videos of our activities was no problem for her. We had so much fun, that I had to repeat with her. Sure there were sexier girls out there, but I had the most fun with rosy on that trip. But like all chicas, I received that fuckin RFM. So, it's on to the next one.

The pics below are from her Whatsapp account. I will not post the pics of my activities with Rosy. I will keep them private.

[QUOTE=Crossfire1;1635616]I know that "The Amazon" is a place but I like to use it to describe this next chica. [/QUOTE]"The Amazon" is a place? I always thought it was a website!

The amount of trip reports has lulled. I'm not talking about post. I'm talking about people's post that actually give information about a trip or chicas. Maybe you enjoy the pics. Maybe not. I just hope that more people will find a way to talk about the fun they had on their trips. My way to add pics is just a way to keep me out of drama. I have been going to DR since 2006 and I have had enough of drama and I don't enjoy it. Everyone handles drama differently. My method of posting pics is for the guy who would like to illustrate his trip report with out the drama. For those who don't care about pics, just read the reports. I hope you enjoy the short stories.

[QUOTE=Crossfire1;1635602]
The pics below were taken from her Whatsapp account. I will keep the pictures I took of our activities in the room private.[/QUOTE]Those chicas are awesome! But my question is: Where is that place with the blue painted walls (with your "Legs for Days" chica)?

[QUOTE=Crossfire1;1635578]
So let me say that the down side to communicating with chicas on Whatsapp is, you will always get that fuckin RFM. That's Request For Money as Cuba Dave calls it.
[/QUOTE]I've always found that the best way to beat this is to match their lies with even greater lies. One or more fictitious relatives have had a varying degree of ailments that required my fiscal support at various times during my mongering career.

The next time a chica asks you for money, tell her you can't send any because you are helping to pay for your mother's cousin's nephew's aunt's treatment for Anal Fistula Ebola. If you want to add a touch of realism to it, take a picture of your asshole sprinkled with cracked pepper and then whatsapp it to her.

Never had to go to that extreme myself though :D

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1635651]I've always found that the best way to beat this is to match their lies with even greater lies. One or more fictitious relatives have had a varying degree of ailments that required my fiscal support at various times during my mongering career.

The next time a chica asks you for money, tell her you can't send any because you are helping to pay for your mother's cousin's nephew's aunt's treatment for Anal Fistula Ebola. If you want to add a touch of realism to it, take a picture of your asshole sprinkled with cracked pepper and then whatsapp it to her.

Never had to go to that extreme myself though :D[/QUOTE]LOL! You are killing me. I used to tell them crazy stories about my money problems (never anything as creative as your story), but the result is the same. They don't have time for friend that are smart enough to not send them money. So now I just say no.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1635651]I've always found that the best way to beat this is to match their lies with even greater lies. One or more fictitious relatives have had a varying degree of ailments that required my fiscal support at various times during my mongering career.

The next time a chica asks you for money, tell her you can't send any because you are helping to pay for your mother's cousin's nephew's aunt's treatment for Anal Fistula Ebola. If you want to add a touch of realism to it, take a picture of your asshole sprinkled with cracked pepper and then whatsapp it to her.

Never had to go to that extreme myself though :D[/QUOTE]LOL.

But I've found the simplest way that works for me is to tell 'em, lo siento, I'm all out of dinero. I tell her I 'm still paying off the last trip, and saving up for the next.

Don't have to lie or insult her (if I want her to be hot and eager next time). I'm talking about a regular, of course.

Sometimes the truth can work better than bullshit.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1635661]
Sometimes the truth can work better than bullshit.[/QUOTE]I hear you, but what I have found that works for me is to assume they are bullshiting you. Like the RFM she sends you is probably copied / pasted and sent to her entire gringo contacts list. Even if it is just 10 gringos that receive the same RFM, all it takes is one sucker to bite. The Nigerians have mastered this art long ago.

[b]Paging Seor GrownMan:[/b] special request to see the fake clinica photos a chica sent you before. I think she even went so far as to put a fake IV tube in her arm, LOL!

[QUOTE=Crossfire1;1635644]The amount of trip reports has lulled. I'm not talking about post. I'm talking about people's post that actually give information about a trip or chicas. Maybe you enjoy the pics. Maybe not. I just hope that more people will find a way to talk about the fun they had on their trips. My way to add pics is just a way to keep me out of drama. I have been going to DR since 2006 and I have had enough of drama and I don't enjoy it. Everyone handles drama differently. My method of posting pics is for the guy who would like to illustrate his trip report with out the drama. For those who don't care about pics, just read the reports. I hope you enjoy the short stories.[/QUOTE]Thanks for posting the pics, more please LOL.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1635642]"The Amazon" is a place? I always thought it was a website![/QUOTE]LOL,

The website is Amazon not The Amazon.

Hay payasos aquí esta noche.

[QUOTE=YouCan;1635631]You know what's funny. I been on these boards for years. I could careless about pictures on this board. And I never ask who this chica is or that chica is? Because I could careless about fucking some ho. I ind a girl be fun and make a deal. It always makes me cringe guys ask who fucked who? Get the fuck out of herd. I don't want to know wwho fucked my ho.[/QUOTE]Well obviously they are there to be fucked. I could care less about who the next guy or girl fucked as well. My thing is point me to the pussy and tell me how everything works in general (price, time, etc.) and turn me loose for me to find my own girl and make my own deal. After that, let the ho go to the next Joe. Not my business who she fucks next. Our deal is done and she has to make a living.

[QUOTE=MarcAnthony;1632977]Part of the cost for a chica is how pleasant or unpleasant the experience is. If the customer courts her, is clean, tries to be an attentive lover, treats her respectfully like a novia ,the cost is much lower. If he's an asshole who treats her badly the cost is high.[/QUOTE]That's funny. I would think it was just the opposite. Courting hookers? GTFOOHWTBS. Nice guys finish last. These are hookers we are taking about, not newborn babies. We fish in a shark tank, not a goldfish pond. A hooker does not have a heart of gold. She has to have a heart of stone to get as much money from as many tricks in the shortest time possible. The asshole is going to tell her where to go with her 2000 peso initial offer and end up taking her for 1000. She knows the nice guy is trying to live out his fantasies and is very anxious. He is not only going to give her the 2000, but also tip on top of it.

Besides, isn't the price usually decided before either party has had the chance to "experience" each other? It seems that half the things you are talking about, she will only find out about him after the deal is sealed and they have already spent time together.

They may be hookers but there also people and you have good and bad people. Not all girls are out to do as many guys as they can. I have had many girls in DR and always treat them nice and I always look for one I actually like and shows interest in me.

A lot of these girls or as you call them hookers do what they do to support themselves and there family's. Some enjoy it and some don't. Some good some bad. But there people. I am not worried about how cheap I can get a chica for.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1635785]That's funny. I would think it was just the opposite. Courting hookers? GTFOOHWTBS. Nice guys finish last. These are hookers we are taking about, not newborn babies. We fish in a shark tank, not a goldfish pond. A hooker does not have a heart of gold. She has to have a heart of stone to get as much money from as many tricks in the shortest time possible. The asshole is going to tell her where to go with her 2000 peso initial offer and end up taking her for 1000. She knows the nice guy is trying to live out his fantasies and is very anxious. He is not only going to give her the 2000, but also tip on top of it.

Besides, isn't the price usually decided before either party has had the chance to "experience" each other? It seems that half the things you are talking about, she will only find out about him after the deal is sealed and they have already spent time together.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1635785]That's funny. I would think it was just the opposite. Courting hookers? GTFOOHWTBS. Nice guys finish last. These are hookers we are taking about, not newborn babies. We fish in a shark tank, not a goldfish pond. A hooker does not have a heart of gold. She has to have a heart of stone to get as much money from as many tricks in the shortest time possible. The asshole is going to tell her where to go with her 2000 peso initial offer and end up taking her for 1000. She knows the nice guy is trying to live out his fantasies and is very anxious. He is not only going to give her the 2000, but also tip on top of it.

Besides, isn't the price usually decided before either party has had the chance to "experience" each other? It seems that half the things you are talking about, she will only find out about him after the deal is sealed and they have already spent time together.[/QUOTE]No doubt it's a fine line that you learn to walk as you gain more experience in our hobby. I'm amicable with the girls and I try to treat them decently (as a fellow human being should be treated). But at the same time, I want to make sure they don't think I'm a pushover. I do agree with you that overpaying typically leads to them thinking you're a pushover and treating you as such.

This is Emely. I met her a few years ago working in El Flow. She has survived the many changes of Sosua and today works at Premium Bar which is the old El Flow. She is not a young chica. Emely is good for that almost normal date experience that one can find in Sosua. She has 3 kids and times are hard in Sosua. There just are not that many tourist flowing in and out of Premium Bar. Your milage may vary with this one. You can be sure of one thing. She will be quick to hit you with that fucking RFM.

The pics below were taken from her Whatsapp account. I didn't take any of these pics. I will keep the pics I took of her private.

P.S. : notice how she poses the same in almost all the pics.

DR putas are vrey different from what we have in the 1st world. Most are just trying to feed their kids and live. They have few options. If you treat them like a puta they will act like a puta. However if you are kind you can get some very good relationships. If all you want to do is bust a nut go t casas or better yet stay home and beat off. If you want to enjoy the hobby talk to the ladies. Even when sport fucking you can find some gems. I think the second session with chica who likes you will will always be the best.

[QUOTE=Combo;1635821]No doubt it's a fine line that you learn to walk as you gain more experience in our hobby. I'm amicable with the girls and I try to treat them decently (as a fellow human being should be treated). But at the same time, I want to make sure they don't think I'm a pushover. I do agree with you that overpaying typically leads to them thinking you're a pushover and treating you as such.[/QUOTE]

She looks nice! Who cares if she ask for money. My wife ask me for money all the time! It never hurts to ask most you can say is no. .

[QUOTE=Crossfire1;1635846]This is Emely. I met her a few years ago working in El Flow. She has survived the many changes of Sosua and today works at Premium Bar which is the old El Flow. She is not a young chica. Emely is good for that almost normal date experience that one can find in Sosua. She has 3 kids and times are hard in Sosua. There just are not that many tourist flowing in and out of Premium Bar. Your milage may vary with this one. You can be sure of one thing. She will be quick to hit you with that fucking RFM.

The pics below were taken from her Whatsapp account. I didn't take any of these pics. I will keep the pics I took of her private.

P.S. : notice how she poses the same in almost all the pics.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Crossfire1;1635578]It's been a very long time since I have posted anything to this board especially a trip report with pics. Like many of you, I have stopped posting pics chicas that I have taken during my trips, because of Captin Save a Ho. You know him. HE is the guy that runs back and tells the chica that her picture is on the internet. Then the chica is mad at you when you return. So I have come up with a way of posting pics that can not be traced back to me. I will tell my stories using the pictures posted by the chica herself, from her Whatsapp account. I don't use Facebook but I'm sure that pictures from there would get the job done just the same. Many chicas change their pictures on Whatsapp about once or twice a week so I can gather a few pics. I still take personal pics of the Chicas during my trips but I will not post those pics. I will keep them private.

So let me say that the down side to communicating with chicas on Whatsapp is, you will always get that fuckin RFM. That's Request For Money as Cuba Dave calls it.

So let me start by posting pics of my 1st Chica. Carolina. Many of you will recognize her as one of the bartenders from the Latins or from Marengue Bar. I met her When she was at the Latins Bar. She played the good girl, I'm not a puta role. To be honest she never asked me for money and my night with her was like a regular date. No talk of money. The sex was great and she left at about 5 am. Of course I took care of her and I was generous with the pesos. It only took a few week of talking on Whatsapp before she hit with the RFM. I had to let her know that, I am not Captin Save a Ho. When I said no she had no more time to talk. Oh Well on to the next one.

Hope fully many of you will find this method of illustrating your trips without having to worry about future problems coming back to haunt you. And maybe there will be more trip reports.[/QUOTE]And 'all day' boobs!

[QUOTE=YouCan;1635863]She looks nice! Who cares if she ask for money. My wife ask me for money all the time! It never hurts to ask most you can say is no. .[/QUOTE]If that is how you feel, then why don't you send her the money. I'm sure I can get her WU (western union) gold card info for you. This way you can send it right to her without getting anything in return for your money. Better yet, just look at her picture on your mobile device while you are going down the highway. Next, hold your wallet open outside of the window and let all of the cash fall out. Then come back and let us know if it feels the same as giving your wife money. Maybe it will. I'm not married so I wouldn't know. Either way good luck with that.

That's funny! I said who cares if she ask for money? Most you can say is no! So here you are: no.

[QUOTE=Crossfire1;1635876]If that is how you feel, then why don't you send her the money. I'm sure I can get her WU (western union) gold card info for you. This way you can send it right to her without getting anything in return for your money. Better yet, just look at her picture on your mobile device while you are going down the highway. Next, hold your wallet open outside of the window and let all of the cash fall out. Then come back and let us know if it feels the same as giving your wife money. Maybe it will. I'm not married so I wouldn't know. Either way good luck with that.[/QUOTE]

See how easy that was LOL.

[QUOTE=Crossfire1;1635876]If that is how you feel, then why don't you send her the money. I'm sure I can get her WU (western union) gold card info for you. This way you can send it right to her without getting anything in return for your money. Better yet, just look at her picture on your mobile device while you are going down the highway. Next, hold your wallet open outside of the window and let all of the cash fall out. Then come back and let us know if it feels the same as giving your wife money. Maybe it will. I'm not married so I wouldn't know. Either way good luck with that.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1635669]I hear you, but what I have found that works for me is to assume they are bullshiting you. Like the RFM she sends you is probably copied / pasted and sent to her entire gringo contacts list. Even if it is just 10 gringos that receive the same RFM, all it takes is one sucker to bite. The Nigerians have mastered this art long ago.

[b]Paging Seor GrownMan:[/b] special request to see the fake clinica photos a chica sent you before. I think she even went so far as to put a fake IV tube in her arm, LOL![/QUOTE]I got you pimping. And guess what. My man Fresh just got one from Martha 6 days ago. We saw her in Sosua and she was telling Fresh she never tried to bullshit him. Look how she did a good job on showing the hand lol

Elizabeth is one of my top 5 favorites of all time. She is a pro that has been around years before I met her. By the time I met her she was still in her prime. This year is the first time that I noticed that the street life and age are starting to catch up with her. If you like to drink dance and party or smoke weed (I don't smoke weed), then she is your girl. She knows how to make you feel special. I always spend time with her when ever I see her and she always let me take as much video of our time spent together. You got to love when a girl is holding your dick and smiling for the camera. I can't say too much about her without her knowing who I am. I will say this much: she has no kids, which confuses some dumb tourist. They don't understand why she works this type of job. From time to time she has had various guys sending her money via WU. I have on occasion, had to wait for the WU novio to go back to Miami or other city, before I could hook up with her. At one point she dropped off the scene but like most, she hit hard times and came back.

*Note: I am trying to keep the forum on track. I mean no disrespect but, I will not entertain long back and forth debates about nonsense or things that are strictly one mans opinion on how to treat chica etc etc. Let's give more reports, have fun and leave the general babble for the General info section. And for the record I always say no to those fucking RFM, in case anyone has not figured that out yet. I still find them very annoying.

The pics below were taken from her Whatsapp account. I will keep my pics and videos of my time with her private.

I love it when you can find a chica that you can chill with. I love sport fucking but nothing beats having chica giving good GFE. IMHO it is the best bang for the buck. I have an Elizebeth as well. She never fails to satisfy. Spending time with a chica you can truly relax with is priceless. Looking for good new stuff is stressful. If Sosua shut down today I could still have a great time in the DR.

[QUOTE=Crossfire1;1635916]Elizabeth is one of my top 5 favorites of all time. She is a pro that has been around years before I met her. By the time I met her she was still in her prime. This year is the first time that I noticed that the street life and age are starting to catch up with her. If you like to drink dance and party or smoke weed (I don't smoke weed), then she is your girl. She knows how to make you feel special. I always spend time with her when ever I see her and she always let me take as much video of our time spent together. You got to love when a girl is holding your dick and smiling for the camera. I can't say too much about her without her knowing who I am. I will say this much: she has no kids, which confuses some dumb tourist. They don't understand why she works this type of job. From time to time she has had various guys sending her money via WU. I have on occasion, had to wait for the WU novio to go back to Miami or other city, before I could hook up with her. At one point she dropped off the scene but like most, she hit hard times and came back.

*Note: I am trying to keep the forum on track. I mean no disrespect but, I will not entertain long back and forth debates about nonsense or things that are strictly one mans opinion on how to treat chica etc etc. Let's give more reports, have fun and leave the general babble for the General info section. And for the record I always say no to those fucking RFM, in case anyone has not figured that out yet. I still find them very annoying.

The pics below were taken from her Whatsapp account. I will keep my pics and videos of my time with her private.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1635912]I got you pimping. And guess what. My man Fresh just got one from Martha 6 days ago. We saw her in Sosua and she was telling Fresh she never tried to bullshit him. Look how she did a good job on showing the hand lol[/QUOTE]If you take a close look at the second photo it appears as though the headboard which is a half circle has been covered up with some sheets to cover it up. The photo was obviously taken in someones bedroom, not in a hospital. They most probably have pulled this stunt on some newbie who fell for it and figured they had nothing to lose but to keep trying it.

[QUOTE=Crossfire1;1635846]This is Emely. I met her a few years ago working in El Flow. She will be quick to hit you with that fucking RFM.[/QUOTE]What is RFM?

Cheers.

A158.

Those pics with girl in bed with iv are fucking funny! I don't give these girls my number or email so I would never get that RFM. I leave the trip in the DR.

I gave my email to one girl in Colombia.

[QUOTE=A158;1636107]What is RFM?

Cheers.

A158.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=A158;1636107]What is RFM?

Cheers.

A158.[/QUOTE]See'Mon. Man. Request For Money.

Asking for money is what all these girls do. Our relationships are P4 P. I am never shocked if one of them makes a plea for cash. I real life all you have to do is say no OR IF YOU are inclined you can send a few bucks. You have to manage your hobby. Getting great sex for 30 bucks a pop is special. I am never going to kick good ass to the curb cause she asked for cash. Sure when I get there I have some loot for you case closed.

[QUOTE=YouCan;1636131]Those pics with girl in bed with iv are fucking funny! I don't give these girls my number or email so I would never get that RFM. I leave the trip in the DR.

I gave my email to one girl in Colombia.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1636310]Asking for money is what all these girls do. Our relationships are P4 P. I am never shocked if one of them makes a plea for cash. I real life all you have to do is say no OR IF YOU are inclined you can send a few bucks. You have to manage your hobby. Getting great sex for 30 bucks a pop is special. I am never going to kick good ass to the curb cause she asked for cash. Sure when I get there I have some loot for you case closed.[/QUOTE]RFM is one thing, but when a chica I have dealt with for a while tries to run lame ass game on me like I am stupid- or green- well that kills my vibe. Next! In the 2nd picture below- Martha begged Fresh to get back with her, but he wouldn't bulge. They did exchange numbers and look how she went out after 1 yr of pleading trying to get back with him. The chicas on my A team I tell them off the rip. We can be kool but if you come to me with that bullshit its a wrap! In the last year I have only had my #1 EX- novia get the boot. She knows me better than the rest of the chicas (so I thought) and I gave her 2 warnings. She has witness me tell my friends to kick their chicas to the curb for ordering the most expensive shit on the menu! Damn I miss that ass! Oh well Next!

[QUOTE=Crossfire1;1635916]Elizabeth is one of my top 5 favorites of all time.[/QUOTE]China. First met her about 8 years ago when she was working at Frank's. She was a little shy then but grew into her own over the course of the next few years. Sad to see her looking a little "puffy" in the face now but, as we all know, the life eventually catches up with them.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1636320]RFM is one thing, but when a chica I have dealt with for a while tries to run lame ass game on me like I am stupid- or green- well that kills my vibe. Next! In the 2nd picture below- Martha begged Fresh to get back with her, but he wouldn't bulge. They did exchange numbers and look how she went out after 1 yr of pleading trying to get back with him. The chicas on my A team I tell them off the rip. We can be kool but if you come to me with that bullshit its a wrap! In the last year I have only had my #1 EX- novia get the boot. She knows me better than the rest of the chicas (so I thought) and I gave her 2 warnings. She has witness me tell my friends to kick their chicas to the curb for ordering the most expensive shit on the menu! Damn I miss that ass! Oh well Next![/QUOTE]So, you know exactly what I'm talking about. I let them know from the break that I don't do Westen Union. Some I have been friends with for years and others tried to run game within weeks. Either way it's on to the next one.

I just got an email from a good friend of mine that Peter's wife has reopened Passions as of last night, anybody with boots on the ground? I'm not going back until Sunday but sure would like to know what's up.

[QUOTE=TwiceDivorced;1636323]China. First met her about 8 years ago when she was working at Frank's. She was a little shy then but grew into her own over the course of the next few years. Sad to see her looking a little "puffy" in the face now but, as we all know, the life eventually catches up with them.[/QUOTE]Yup!! That's China. I Met her shortly after her time working at Franks. Even though she has gained a little weight I will still book her on my next trip. Besides, she always provides me with the best video memories of my trip. You just can't beat a great performer on video.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1636337]I just got an email from a good friend of mine that Peter's wife has reopened Passions as of last night, anybody with boots on the ground? I'm not going back until Sunday but sure would like to know what's up.[/QUOTE]My man KG says no not to his knowledge.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1636337]I just got an email from a good friend of mine that Peter's wife has reopened Passions as of last night, anybody with boots on the ground? I'm not going back until Sunday but sure would like to know what's up.[/QUOTE]I wonder if his wife is dominican and therefore not worried about deportation. This guy doesn't know when to quit. I think theyve made it clear they don't want the blatant sex tourism. I bet if it is open it won't be for long.

[QUOTE=BrotherP;1636386]I wonder if his wife is dominican and therefore not worried about deportation. This guy doesn't know when to quit. I think theyve made it clear they don't want the blatant sex tourism. I bet if it is open it won't be for long.[/QUOTE]Yes, his wife is Dominican and they have a young daughter. I think the only reason Peter hasn't been deported, like the other bar owners is because his wife is Dominican. The wife used to semi-manage the girls but she seemed very bored.

Something is going to be open there because the place was recently spruced up. I'm talking fish tank bars, new stripper poles etc.

I think Peter got a bum wrap and I wish him well. He was always a friend to the guys.

[QUOTE=BrotherP;1636386]I wonder if his wife is dominican and therefore not worried about deportation. This guy doesn't know when to quit. I think theyve made it clear they don't want the blatant sex tourism. I bet if it is open it won't be for long.[/QUOTE]Will they do anything to a Dominican?

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1636470]Yes, his wife is Dominican and they have a young daughter. I think the only reason Peter hasn't been deported, like the other bar owners is because his wife is Dominican. The wife used to semi-manage the girls but she seemed very bored.

Something is going to be open there because the place was recently spruced up. I'm talking fish tank bars, new stripper poles etc.

I think Peter got a bum wrap and I wish him well. He was always a friend to the guys.[/QUOTE]Maybe he didn't get deported but to my knowledge he was given an ultimatum, leave or else. I was told that he went back to Germany.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1636533]Maybe he didn't get deported but to my knowledge he was given an ultimatum, leave or else. I was told that he went back to Germany.[/QUOTE]I was told the same thing. He was giving an ultimatum. His wife became his most vocal advocate.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1636337]I just got an email from a good friend of mine that Peter's wife has reopened Passions as of last night, anybody with boots on the ground? I'm not going back until Sunday but sure would like to know what's up.[/QUOTE]Just walked to Passions just now. It is closed. It is written near the entrance that they appear to be looking for waitresses and other positions. If anyone is interested they can go next door and give their information to The Brazil Samba bar. It says that they are suppose to open in October, on Friday, but no exact date. It says it will be something different. Right above all this Spanish writing, to the right of the entrance I see a book sized decal that says (if my translation skills serve me well) "National Procurator of Boy, Girls, Adolescents, and Families. " If I didn't know better it looks like they might have tried to throw in there a charge of having minors on premises, in their employ or illegally present. Maybe I'm reading too much into it so maybe sex trafficking is just placed under this agency. Manizales, I hope this helps.

[QUOTE=Boriman;1636715]Just walked to Passions just now. It is closed. It is written near the entrance that they appear to be looking for waitresses and other positions. If anyone is interested they can go next door and give their information to The Brazil Samba bar. It says that they are suppose to open in October, on Friday, but no exact date. It says it will be something different. Right above all this Spanish writing, to the right of the entrance I see a book sized decal that says (if my translation skills serve me well) "National Procurator of Boy, Girls, Adolescents, and Families. " If I didn't know better it looks like they might have tried to throw in there a charge of having minors on premises, in their employ or illegally present. Maybe I'm reading too much into it so maybe sex trafficking is just placed under this agency. Manizales, I hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Thanks Boriman. I will be in Puerto Plata for the next two weeks starting tomorrow and will swing through Sosua sometime during the week and check to see if anything is happening there yet. If I find out anything more I will post it here of course.

I stayed at Casa Cayena the place was nice and the price was right. Breakfast and dinner was included but no girls on deck.

No more wild pool parties oh well everything must change. This is slow season and the beach was deserted. Big Dee is still on the beach but it's so slow he has to cook and be his own waitress.

The girls:

No shortage plenty of women every night on the strip. Classical's was packed wall-to-wall Thursday through Saturday.

Rumbles and the little Haitian hotel club also packed every night. 1000 to 1500 pesos short-term was the going rate.

Most Chicks would take 1500 to 2500 pesos long term but some guys were quoted 3000 to 4000. I only did short term.

2 nights and a guy I met on plane hook me up with his waitress girlfriend. I spent the other five nights with her long term.

Just to reiterate passions and CMP are still closed. The police didn't bother women who were single on the strip except for Sunday at the Haitians club. Funny thing happened Saturday night there was a fight in the Haitian club a white American and a Haitian. When the police arrived they handcuffed them both together and walk them off. In my opinion The talent was okay but there's no GFE. You basically have to wife up for GFE. I bought seven dresses from rainbow gave 2 to classicao girls and 5 to waitress. Maybe I'm getting old but sport fucking w / o GFE gets tired after 2 days for me. If I didn't hook up with the waitress I would've cut my vacation short and flew back home. Unlike some I don't go to Sosua to fish, play golf or any other activity other than the girls. Sorry to say it but these women seem to be more like New York City St. Prostitutes. Plus a couple of clowns throwing one dollars bills in the air at classical thought it was a disco not a strip club. Here's two of the dresses the waitress asked me not to post her photo. I might go back to Sousa just to see her so I got to play it safe. Hey a little white Hennessey is also great long lives Sousa.

[QUOTE=Scotch;1636873]I stayed at Casa Cayena the place was nice and the price was right. Breakfast and dinner was included but no girls on deck.

No more wild pool parties oh well everything must change. This is slow season and the beach was deserted. Big Dee is still on the beach but it's so slow he has to cook and be his own waitress.

The girls:

No shortage plenty of women every night on the strip. Classical's was packed wall-to-wall Thursday through Saturday.

Rumbles and the little Haitian hotel club also packed every night. 1000 to 1500 pesos short-term was the going rate.

Most Chicks would take 1500 to 2500 pesos long term but some guys were quoted 3000 to 4000. I only did short term.

2 nights and a guy I met on plane hook me up with his waitress girlfriend. I spent the other five nights with her long term.

Just to reiterate passions and CMP are still closed. The police didn't bother women who were single on the strip except for Sunday at the Haitians club. Funny thing happened Saturday night there was a fight in the Haitian club a white American and a Haitian. When the police arrived they handcuffed them both together and walk them off. In my opinion The talent was okay but there's no GFE. You basically have to wife up for GFE. I bought seven dresses from rainbow gave 2 to classicao girls and 5 to waitress. Maybe I'm getting old but sport fucking w / o GFE gets tired after 2 days for me. If I didn't hook up with the waitress I would've cut my vacation short and flew back home. Unlike some I don't go to Sosua to fish, play golf or any other activity other than the girls. Sorry to say it but these women seem to be more like New York City St. Prostitutes. Plus a couple of clowns throwing one dollars bills in the air at classical thought it was a disco not a strip club. Here's two of the dresses the waitress asked me not to post her photo. I might go back to Sousa just to see her so I got to play it safe. Hey a little white Hennessey is also great long lives Sousa.[/QUOTE]Nice report. See, this is the type of thing that I think the Dominican authorities don't mind so much. A guy comes over, meets a girl, spends some time with her, gives her some money, takes her out to eat, stays in touch with her after leaving the country, considers returning again. Maybe he returns and rents a car, spends more dollars or euros, and so it goes on.

What they are not looking for is for the DR to have a reputation as a cheap group travel sex tourism destination. I think it was a huge mistake for Passions to have a menu of sexual activities and prices posted on the Internet. Of course if prostitution was legal in the US, you would have billboards along the Jersey Turnpike on the way to Atlantic City saying "Suck and Fuck $49.99, first condom free, second turn right Passions Nightclub. " But that isn't how things are done in the DR.

That's one of the reasons why Dominicans were not real happy with the group sex travel thing, with parties of wide-body male pedestrians in basketball kit and sunglasses blocking the streets and boasting loudly about their conquests, how much they drank, with the scent of reefer everywhere in the air.

Style of thing.

[QUOTE=Scotch;1636873]I Plus a couple of clowns throwing one dollars bills in the air at classical thought it was a disco not a strip club. .[/QUOTE]I wish security would throw those idiots out! I hate seeing the young guys throw money in the air and which causes all the Haitian guys to knock everyone over in order to grab the pesos! (Most times the women don't get anything because they men push them out of the way to get the money). Its dangerous for the club and its patrons.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1636882]Nice report. See, this is the type of thing that I think the Dominican authorities don't mind so much. A guy comes over, meets a girl, spends some time with her, gives her some money, takes her out to eat, stays in touch with her after leaving the country, considers returning again. Maybe he returns and rents a car, spends more dollars or euros, and so it goes on.

What they are not looking for is for the DR to have a reputation as a cheap group travel sex tourism destination. I think it was a huge mistake for Passions to have a menu of sexual activities and prices posted on the Internet. Of course if prostitution was legal in the US, you would have billboards along the Jersey Turnpike on the way to Atlantic City saying "Suck and Fuck $49.99, first condom free, second turn right Passions Nightclub. " But that isn't how things are done in the DR.

That's one of the reasons why Dominicans were not real happy with the group sex travel thing, with parties of wide-body male pedestrians in basketball kit and sunglasses blocking the streets and boasting loudly about their conquests, how much they drank, with the scent of reefer everywhere in the air.

Style of thing.[/QUOTE]Most veterans have been preaching for years about learning the language and culture and branching out. It's a certain basic respect that frequent visitors should accept. Let's just hope the girls in and around Sosua have not been ruined.

When I first went to Sosua the girls were so sweet and lovable. Now I don't even want to talk to some of these hardcore chicas.

[QUOTE=Scotch;1636873]
I bought seven dresses from rainbow gave 2 to classicao girls and 5 to waitress. Maybe I'm getting old but sport fucking w / o GFE gets tired after 2 days for me. If I didn't hook up with the waitress I would've cut my vacation short and flew back home. Unlike some I don't go to Sosua to fish, play golf or any other activity other than the girls. Sorry to say it but these women seem to be more like New York City St. Prostitutes. Plus a couple of clowns throwing one dollars bills in the air at classical thought it was a disco not a strip club. Here's two of the dresses the waitress asked me not to post her photo. I might go back to Sousa just to see her so I got to play it safe. Hey a little white Hennessey is also great long lives Sousa.[/QUOTE]So you went to Rainbow and brought 7 cheap dress instead of those $40 dollars purse and glasses to give to chica huh LOL. 2 days of SF in Sosua is all I can take. GFE in Sosua is rare unless you import or know the chica and its not kool place to be wifed up. I like your choice was that the dress you brought her? When guys throw money in the air I go to the other side of the club. Those Haitians will scuff my shoes running to the money. Beside the chicas that are not jumping up and down losing their kool points for a dollar are the one I can now focus on. I remember this going on in Rumba and Dlatins. Classico had more class just last month.

Interesting night. I was right near Rhumbas when the Politur confiscated all the motoconchos near the yellow barricade.

Chicas outnumbered guys and there is still a lot of action to be had.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1636882]Nice report. See, this is the type of thing that I think the Dominican authorities don't mind so much. A guy comes over, meets a girl, spends some time with her, gives her some money, takes her out to eat, stays in touch with her after leaving the country, considers returning again. Maybe he returns and rents a car, spends more dollars or euros, and so it goes on.

What they are not looking for is for the DR to have a reputation as a cheap group travel sex tourism destination. I think it was a huge mistake for Passions to have a menu of sexual activities and prices posted on the Internet. Of course if prostitution was legal in the US, you would have billboards along the Jersey Turnpike on the way to Atlantic City saying "Suck and Fuck $49.99, first condom free, second turn right Passions Nightclub. " But that isn't how things are done in the DR.

That's one of the reasons why Dominicans were not real happy with the group sex travel thing, with parties of wide-body male pedestrians in basketball kit and sunglasses blocking the streets and boasting loudly about their conquests, how much they drank, with the scent of reefer everywhere in the air.

Style of thing.[/QUOTE]I'm definitely in the first category. I've tried a little sport fucking my first couple days, but when my regular shows up, its a big relief, and my vacation really starts.

In the second category, I was in the corner bar and while I was in the banyos a huge NJ bro sat down next to my spot, smoking a huge cigar. I had seen him around with his gang, but it was early and he was alone. I told him that cigar really smelled really sweet. He apologized and made to move away, but I told him no, I really mean it, what is it? A cohiba he says, I got it on the beach. I asked Rosie if she could get me one from the adjacent cigar counter. She came back and said no.

We talked, his name was DJ from NJ. His pals were chilling out back at the hotel. Soon there were chicas all over him having a great time. For a joke, I went over to them and asked if they knew the rules. Whaaaat? They looked at me. I said you are not allowed to have more than two chicas at a time. For a minute silence, then thay all got it and started laughing. The chicas hugged me for making the joke and we kept up the banter for a while.

I saw him a few times on the strip, and we had a laugh together. Nicest guy I met down there this trip, even if he was wearing basketball gear and looked like he could blow me away. The chicas seemed to agree, because every time I saw him, chicas were all over him, and I had to keep reminding him of the "rules".

I did bring back a couple of cohibas, and they really were sweet.

Maybe it is my age or preferences but two or 3 days of sport fucking and I need a change. Having some regulars on standby makes my trips really work. On my last trip I tried to avoid my old flames and cultivate some new ladies. Two of the three did not workout which is a bad thing when you are on a short vacation. All that said no trip is complete without at least a few days of hardcore sport fucking. I go for different body types for my sport fucking: slim, thick, young and seasoned. When I get on the ground I have no clue what I am looking for when I get there. As soon as I see the ladies something clicks. I am getting fired up just thinking about it. I have been going to Sosua for 3 years and sure things change often but as long as 300 young chicas keep showing up I going to be there. Everything else is background noise.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1637216]Maybe it is my age or preferences but two or 3 days of sport fucking and I need a change. Having some regulars on standby makes my trips really work. On my last trip I tried to avoid my old flames and cultivate some new ladies. Two of the three did not workout which is a bad thing when you are on a short vacation. All that said no trip is complete without at least a few days of hardcore sport fucking. I go for different body types for my sport fucking: slim, thick, young and seasoned. When I get on the ground I have no clue what I am looking for when I get there. As soon as I see the ladies something clicks. I am getting fired up just thinking about it. I have been going to Sosua for 3 years and sure things change often but as long as 300 young chicas keep showing up I going to be there. Everything else is background noise.[/QUOTE]Sosua is like walking into a huge food supermarket when you are hungry. Where to begin?

Sure, there'll some something to complain about if you look hard enough, but everything is there.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1637216]Maybe it is my age or preferences but two or 3 days of sport fucking and I need a change. Having some regulars on standby makes my trips really work. On my last trip I tried to avoid my old flames and cultivate some new ladies. Two of the three did not workout which is a bad thing when you are on a short vacation. All that said no trip is complete without at least a few days of hardcore sport fucking. I go for different body types for my sport fucking: slim, thick, young and seasoned. When I get on the ground I have no clue what I am looking for when I get there. As soon as I see the ladies something clicks. I am getting fired up just thinking about it. I have been going to Sosua for 3 years and sure things change often but as long as 300 young chicas keep showing up I going to be there. Everything else is background noise.[/QUOTE]Amen! Sosua offers an unique type of SF at its finest, however, for some of us, we need a change of scenery or venue after a few days. I hear guys saying they spend 1 or 2 weeks in Sosua and I'm like Damn thats like spending 18 hour in an airport between flights! When I hit the ground my first hit is usually an A team certified chica that I knows her craft in the bedroom. It puts me in my DR zone. After that- I am focus and ready for my vacation.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1637207]

I saw him a few times on the strip, and we had a laugh together. Nicest guy I met down there this trip, even if he was wearing basketball gear and looked like he could blow me away. The chicas seemed to agree, because every time I saw him, chicas were all over him, and I had to keep reminding him of the "rules".
[/QUOTE]He may indeed be a very nice guy, but that still doesn't mean that he was projecting the image of tourism that the DR authorities approve of. I imagine the chicas were all over him because they perceived him as a source of something--drinks, food, or money for sex, or access to his friends. (Maybe I am jealous because I never seem to have chicas all over me for some reason.).

Incidentally, the level of smoking among Dominicans of both sexes is extremely low, for example see the chapter on this in Dominican Republic. Culture Smart!: The Essential Guide to Customs & Culture, so although smoking a cigar in a cigar bar would be fair enough, but walking down the street doing the same would be regarded as bad manners.

[URL]http://www.amazon.com/Dominican-Republic-Essential-Bedggood-Paperback/dp/B00BSZWD74/[/URL]

Here's a quote:

" Interestingly for such a hedonistic and carefree culture, not to mention that the DR is a tobacco producing country, cigarette smoking is rare and is openly frowned upon. This may surprise visitors who have been to countries like Spain and Cuba... You will seldom see Dominicans smoking in public places, especially if enclosed, to the extent that there is no need to put up No Smoking signs in a smoke-free zone. The exceptions are in wealthier and foreign circles where smoking is more common."

[QUOTE=Oakie;1637240]Sosua is like walking into a huge food supermarket when you are hungry. Where to begin?

[/QUOTE]For me its like going to a Baskins Robbins Ice Cream Shop (31 Flavors). So much variety, shapes, sizes, colors, etc.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1637492]For me its like going to a Baskins Robbins Ice Cream Shop (31 Flavors). So much variety, shapes, sizes, colors, etc.[/QUOTE]No vanilla, but who cares?

[QUOTE=Frannie;1637253]He may indeed be a very nice guy, but that still doesn't mean that he was projecting the image of tourism that the DR authorities approve of. I imagine the chicas were all over him because they perceived him as a source of something--drinks, food, or money for sex, or access to his friends. (Maybe I am jealous because I never seem to have chicas all over me for some reason.).

Incidentally, the level of smoking among Dominicans of both sexes is extremely low, for example see the chapter on this in Dominican Republic. Culture Smart!: The Essential Guide to Customs & Culture, so although smoking a cigar in a cigar bar would be fair enough, but walking down the street doing the same would be regarded as bad manners.

[URL]http://www.amazon.com/Dominican-Republic-Essential-Bedggood-Paperback/dp/B00BSZWD74/[/URL]

Here's a quote:

" Interestingly for such a hedonistic and carefree culture, not to mention that the DR is a tobacco producing country, cigarette smoking is rare and is openly frowned upon. This may surprise visitors who have been to countries like Spain and Cuba... You will seldom see Dominicans smoking in public places, especially if enclosed, to the extent that there is no need to put up No Smoking signs in a smoke-free zone. The exceptions are in wealthier and foreign circles where smoking is more common."[/QUOTE]I'm constantly surprised that there are ashtrays in most hotel lobbies, smoking allowed in rooms, ashtrays on restaurant tables and in bars.

Maybe the self regulating etiquette approach works.

Folks are generally polite and don't light up where it's inappropriate, as far as I can tell. I myself prefer to go outside for a smoke at a busy restaurant even tho there's an ashtray on the table, and my party tells me no problem.

But like anything else, there's always the occasional jerk.

DR culture is very different and complicated. They have different views on many things. I enjoy exploring their culture and fucking their women.

Class in the DR is very important. Most of us do not associate with the upper crust of DR culture. They are driving expensive cars and living very well.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1637686]I'm constantly surprised that there are ashtrays in most hotel lobbies, smoking allowed in rooms, ashtrays on restaurant tables and in bars.

Maybe the self regulating etiquette approach works.

Folks are generally polite and don't light up where it's inappropriate, as far as I can tell. I myself prefer to go outside for a smoke at a busy restaurant even tho there's an ashtray on the table, and my party tells me no problem.

But like anything else, there's always the occasional jerk.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Oakie;1637681]No vanilla, but who cares?[/QUOTE]There's vanilla in Sosua, but not a lot and typically from Santiago.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1636337]I just got an email from a good friend of mine that Peter's wife has reopened Passions as of last night, anybody with boots on the ground? I'm not going back until Sunday but sure would like to know what's up.[/QUOTE]I went by Passions today and the door was open and numerous contractors working inside so something is getting ready to pop there, I asked a guy that was carrying in a piece of PVC pipe what was up and he told me he didn't know, that he was just a plumber. I'll check again later in the week.

How can that surprise you? They are one of the biggest producers of cigars. Plus there's virtually few laws that they actually In force. There's no smoking laws there. I smoke cigars and of course I don't smoke a cigar at dinner. But at a bar or beach I do. I been going to dr for years and smoked many a cigar with women that live there. Only thing is I don't smoke at night when I'm out or in my room. It's called freedom something we don't have in the US anymore. But during the day I smoke 2 cigars. Also you get many Europeans there and most of them smoke. I'm sure you have seen guys sitting at the Havana club tables smoking cigarettes all the time.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1637686]I'm constantly surprised that there are ashtrays in most hotel lobbies, smoking allowed in rooms, ashtrays on restaurant tables and in bars.

Maybe the self regulating etiquette approach works.

Folks are generally polite and don't light up where it's inappropriate, as far as I can tell. I myself prefer to go outside for a smoke at a busy restaurant even tho there's an ashtray on the table, and my party tells me no problem.

But like anything else, there's always the occasional jerk.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=YouCan;1637793] Plus there's virtually few laws that they actually In force. There's no smoking laws there. I smoke cigars and of course I don't smoke a cigar at dinner. But at a bar or beach I do. I been going to dr for years and smoked many a cigar with women that live there. [/QUOTE]My understanding is that smoking is permitted in bars and restaurants that are open to the air, but not in enclosed buildings that are usually air conditioned. So, for example you will not find any smoking inside Cafe Tropical, but it has an outside veranda where diners may smoke. Also smoking is not allowed in Classic disco. Nor will you find any indoor smoking in supermarkets or in any kind of government offices, hospitals, schools, or on buses, for that matter.

I agree. I was referring to the statement amazed about ashtrays in bars hotel lobbys etc.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1638097]My understanding is that smoking is permitted in bars and restaurants that are open to the air, but not in enclosed buildings that are usually air conditioned. So, for example you will not find any smoking inside Cafe Tropical, but it has an outside veranda where diners may smoke. Also smoking is not allowed in Classic disco. Nor will you find any indoor smoking in supermarkets or in any kind of government offices, hospitals, schools, or on buses, for that matter.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=YouCan;1637793]How can that surprise you? They are one of the biggest producers of cigars. Plus there's virtually few laws that they actually In force. There's no smoking laws there. I smoke cigars and of course I don't smoke a cigar at dinner. But at a bar or beach I do. I been going to dr for years and smoked many a cigar with women that live there. Only thing is I don't smoke at night when I'm out or in my room. It's called freedom something we don't have in the US anymore. But during the day I smoke 2 cigars. Also you get many Europeans there and most of them smoke. I'm sure you have seen guys sitting at the Havana club tables smoking cigarettes all the time.[/QUOTE]My surprise is because where I come from, ashtrays are as hard to find as buggy whips. Our Council just approved a bylaw to outlaw smoking in all public places, including parks and beaches.

Interesting (off topic) aside is that our City spend half a million dollars a year funding our Gay Pride parade, where all kinds of lewd and naked folks simulate sex and shake their parts openly on main street. A hetero would be arrested immediately for such behavior.

Seems the only thing our dear leaders find "offensive" is two old war veterans sitting on a park bench, having a smoke recounting their war experiences.

Sometimes things get out of proportion in this crazy world.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1638434]My surprise is because where I come from, ashtrays are as hard to find as buggy whips. Our Council just approved a bylaw to outlaw smoking in all public places, including parks and beaches.

Interesting (off topic) aside is that our City spend half a million dollars a year funding our Gay Pride parade, where all kinds of lewd and naked folks simulate sex and shake their parts openly on main street. A hetero would be arrested immediately for such behavior.

Seems the only thing our dear leaders find "offensive" is two old war veterans sitting on a park bench, having a smoke recounting their war experiences.

Sometimes things get out of proportion in this crazy world.[/QUOTE](That would be publicly government "owned" places, of course).

[QUOTE=Oakie;1638477](That would be publicly government "owned" places, of course).[/QUOTE]The problem is that SOME people who smoke are not considerate. I admit to probably being one back in the 70's when I smoked. For example if you are responsible for the upkeep of a park, one problem is dealing with cigarette butts thrown on the ground as litter. You might think that providing ashtrays would solve the problem, but it doesn't, and then you have small children and babies putting cigarette butts in their mouth, or those ornamental ducks or fish in the pond choking on cigarette butts that someone has thrown in the water or on the ground. Ditto other wildlife such as squirrels. So they end up banning smoking in the park altogether to solve the problem, plus reduce the maintenance cost of picking up butts and maintaining ash trays, which either have to be nailed down or weight a ton, or they will get stolen by people who want to smoke in their own yard.

Good smokers need to blame bad smokers for this problem.

The DR does not have much of a problem with this as not many people smoke, so does not need to have the same kind of enforcement rules.

Likewise there is little enforcement of speed limits on the roads, though they do theoretically exist, due to the fact that once you are out of towns, there is very little traffic compared to places like the US, Canada, or the UK, or Germany. However those who do not drive carefully in the DR tend to be weeded out by natural selection at an early age.

In the sad case of the young baseball star and his g / f who was recently killed between Sosua and Cabarete, we don't know the exact details of the accident, but it seems logical to think that the combination of a young, inexperienced driver and a high powered sports car with narrow difficult roads is a dangerous combination.

When you are driving in the DR you can never drive too defensively, and remember that stopping and waiting if in any doubt at all, and driving slowly will rarely get you or anyone else killed. If a wheel flies off at low speed, the chances of surviving are exponentially better than if it happens at high speed.

Although there are certainly some bad drivers in the DR, many DR drivers, especially women, are extremely cautious and it pays for visitors not to try to drive like the public taxi drivers.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1637784]I went by Passions today and the door was open and numerous contractors working inside so something is getting ready to pop there, I asked a guy that was carrying in a piece of PVC pipe what was up and he told me he didn't know, that he was just a plumber. I'll check again later in the week.[/QUOTE]According to peters wife fb page it will open soon whatever that means in dominican time. Passions is now called Amazonas.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1638483]The problem is that SOME people who smoke are not considerate. I admit to probably being one back in the 70's when I smoked. For example if you are responsible for the upkeep of a park, one problem is dealing with cigarette butts thrown on the ground as litter. You might think that providing ashtrays would solve the problem, but it doesn't, and then you have small children and babies putting cigarette butts in their mouth, or those ornamental ducks or fish in the pond choking on cigarette butts that someone has thrown in the water or on the ground. Ditto other wildlife such as squirrels. So they end up banning smoking in the park altogether to solve the problem, plus reduce the maintenance cost of picking up butts and maintaining ash trays, which either have to be nailed down or weight a ton, or they will get stolen by people who want to smoke in their own yard.

Good smokers need to blame bad smokers for this problem.[/QUOTE]Some perspective. Dog owners often let their dogs off the leash in parks. Step in that. People leave food and candy wrappers, coke cans, can pulls, bottle caps, you name it but they don't ban those things.

Littering is littering. Ban it all. (You know it's the anti smoking folks behind this selective outrage).

The guy that had the unfortunate accident had to be speeding. I've travelled that road many times and it is reasonably well paved and straight.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1638483]...In the sad case of the young baseball star and his g / f who was recently killed between Sosua and Cabarete, we don't know the exact details of the accident, but it seems logical to think that the combination of a young, inexperienced driver and a high powered sports car with narrow difficult roads...[/QUOTE]
Frankie, we do have many of the details about what happened that night. The night the baseball player died the weather was so bad that it was a thunderstorm. It sometimes sounded like sticks of dynamite going off. He was driving an imported sports car, over incredibly slippy roads, at high speed, while drinking. People close to the situation are familiar with the details. The last part was left out do to the tragedy. After hearing some of these details I just left it alone.

[QUOTE=Boriman;1639032]Frankie, we do have many of the details about what happened that night. The night the baseball player died the weather was so bad that it was a thunderstorm. It sometimes sounded like sticks of dynamite going off. He was driving an imported sports car, over incredibly slippy roads, at high speed, while drinking. People close to the situation are familiar with the details. The last part was left out do to the tragedy. After hearing some of these details I just left it alone.[/QUOTE]Yes, a source has told me that he was a) drunk, b) driving at high speed, and c) hit a pole or tree in a single vehicle accident.

It's terrible. Many people in dr drive drunk. Most have no problem. It's a shame what happened to such a young man.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1639283]Yes, a source has told me that he was a) drunk, b) driving at high speed, and c) hit a pole or tree in a single vehicle accident.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Frannie;1639283]Yes, a source has told me that he was a) drunk, b) driving at high speed, and c) hit a pole or tree in a single vehicle accident.[/QUOTE]But a Chevy Camaro, fire engine red. He used to race up and down the Puerto Plata Speedway, aka, the malecon. His luck ran out. The tree won!

[QUOTE=Boriman;1639032]He was driving an imported sports car,[/QUOTE]I thought all cars in the DR were imported.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1639318]I thought all cars in the DR were imported.[/QUOTE]They don't build cars in the DR, that is for sure, but I think in this sense it means it was custom imported either new or used and that the make and model of car is not on sale at new car dealerships in the DR. For example in Bermuda in the 80's there was a single lone London diesel taxicab that some entrepreneur had brought in as a business venture, but numerous Toyotas and Nissans brought in by dealerships.

Flew into STI, had my guy pick me up. A little expensive, but it's a short trip, so screw the bus. Got almost 44 pesos per dollar at the exchange place in cabarete across from ocean dream, and got the cute chicas number! Jajaja. Of course my driver had to point out the tree the young man hit. A tragedy two young lives were lost. Got to the de piero, my home away from home. Ran around the corner for some beers and a bottle of wine. A quick shower and my amiga was there! We had a beer, a little conversation and it was on! She took good care of ya brother! GFE, no rushing, she laid around for awhile afterwards, I like that. Gave her a 300 pesos propinas. Met a good buddy at Plan B for dinner and drinks. Walked down to rumbas, girls everywhere on the way down. Rumbas was packed! Lots of hot chicas, this is my sixth trip this year and a lot of the faces were new. Of course many were familiar. Weekend millionaires fully represented! LOL! Yo man, I got the VIP on lock in classicos dog! LOL. Ok playa! Had a few drinks and went for a nap. Woke up at 1130 and hit the strip. There was a line to get into classicos! Hot chicas everywhere! Finally got in and had a good time! Even danced! Prices were all over the board. Hotter chicas asking2500st. Por favor! Jajaja. Ended up with a good looking but not hot chica. 2500 tln con sexo en la manana! Dios mio! What a performer! Took a long time to leche, but she wouldn't quit! LOL. In the morning she got up, took a shower and went to town! This used to be the norm! I basically had to put her out! Gave her 3 mil. She earned it! Good times!

[QUOTE=BrotherP;1639628]Flew into STI, had my guy pick me up. A little expensive, but it's a short trip, so screw the bus. Got almost 44 pesos per dollar at the exchange place in cabarete across from ocean dream, and got the cute chicas number! Jajaja. Of course my driver had to point out the tree the young man hit. A tragedy two young lives were lost. Got to the de piero, my home away from home. Ran around the corner for some beers and a bottle of wine. A quick shower and my amiga was there! We had a beer, a little conversation and it was on! She took good care of ya brother! GFE, no rushing, she laid around for awhile afterwards, I like that. Gave her a 300 pesos propinas. Met a good buddy at Plan B for dinner and drinks. Walked down to rumbas, girls everywhere on the way down. Rumbas was packed! Lots of hot chicas, this is my sixth trip this year and a lot of the faces were new. Of course many were familiar. Weekend millionaires fully represented! LOL! Yo man, I got the VIP on lock in classicos dog! LOL. Ok playa! Had a few drinks and went for a nap. Woke up at 1130 and hit the strip. There was a line to get into classicos! Hot chicas everywhere! Finally got in and had a good time! Even danced! Prices were all over the board. Hotter chicas asking2500st. Por favor! Jajaja. Ended up with a good looking but not hot chica. 2500 tln con sexo en la manana! Dios mio! What a performer! Took a long time to leche, but she wouldn't quit! LOL. In the morning she got up, took a shower and went to town! This used to be the norm! I basically had to put her out! Gave her 3 mil. She earned it! Good times![/QUOTE]BP how much did the cab cost? What do you mean " good looking but not hot chica" pretty but no ass? Those VIP millionaires go hard in the paint! Ty for the on ground report keep it coming. 1 luv.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1639640]BP how much did the cab cost? What do you mean " good looking but not hot chica" pretty but no ass? Those VIP millionaires go hard in the paint! Ty for the on ground report keep it coming. 1 luv.[/QUOTE]The taxi was 100, which is average for that ride. I used Elias, a well known and reliable guy. PM for contact info. 70 bucks more than catching a cab to caribe tours and taking the bus, but I only have 4 nights so I value my time.

I mean she was a 6 or 7. Not a knockout but no one I'd be ashamed of. I don't post pics anymore. Too much possible drama. Like I said she was a great performer! I'll do her again eventually.

Pooter, they are looking for you!

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Great report bro. Sorry I'm not there to hang with you but we will hook up again in 2015.

Another good night! Spent most of the day at the beach with buddies. Came into town later. Rick was playing a lot old soul music at rumbas. Al green, the Isley brothers! Good stuff! Less chicas than the day before but still plenty. Had dinner at Plan B, spent so time at the cucu bar. It's good to move around. Hit merengue and classicos. Plenty of attractive choices, was cchatting with a cute morena from Santiago, sexy, but the vibe wasn't right. Upstairs seen a banging negra, probably a Haitian, her amiga was dominican. She wanted 3 mil. When I got done laughing I told her 2500 tln con sexo en la manana. She says no, I said gracias and left. Had a ball dancing with a hot dominicana front San Pedro. Damn! The way Latinas can move their hips! Went to the bathroom and passed the Haitian chica. She grabs my arm and says"go". LOL. Too late baby! Drinking and dancing with the dominicana, got her some food a the fried pork place up the street from winners circle. 2500 tln. Another good performer! Her hips wasn't lying brothers! LOL. In the morning sshe went to the restroom, came back and started blowing me. I've been lucky this trip! Good times!.

In Sosua a broke clock is right all day. Hard to not to have a great time. You got to be running out of leche very soon.

[QUOTE=BrotherP;1639991]Another good night! Spent most of the day at the beach with buddies. Came into town later. Rick was playing a lot old soul music at rumbas. Al green, the Isley brothers! Good stuff! Less chicas than the day before but still plenty. Had dinner at Plan B, spent so time at the cucu bar. It's good to move around. Hit merengue and classicos. Plenty of attractive choices, was cchatting with a cute morena from Santiago, sexy, but the vibe wasn't right. Upstairs seen a banging negra, probably a Haitian, her amiga was dominican. She wanted 3 mil. When I got done laughing I told her 2500 tln con sexo en la manana. She says no, I said gracias and left. Had a ball dancing with a hot dominicana front San Pedro. Damn! The way Latinas can move their hips! Went to the bathroom and passed the Haitian chica. She grabs my arm and says"go". LOL. Too late baby! Drinking and dancing with the dominicana, got her some food a the fried pork place up the street from winners circle. 2500 tln. Another good performer! Her hips wasn't lying brothers! LOL. In the morning sshe went to the restroom, came back and started blowing me. I've been lucky this trip! Good times!.[/QUOTE]

Just wanted to say its the greatest place on earth LOL.

Be careful down there gentlemen.

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Had a good day at the beach with some buddies! Good to have friends! Early in the evening took a cute girl I've known for awhile but never banged. She was ok, not great. I always regret not following my first mind, but a least she got me off. Got back on the block for drinks and had fun. Me and a buddy shared a bottle of rum in the bar that was el flow. Mostly Dominicans. A few pro's, they seen me and waved. Always interesting watching them interact with their friends away from clients. They were having fun! They can dance! LOL! I got a bachata in, but I felt like I was holding her back. Still had fun Came out as classicos was closing. Grabbed a cute girl for 1500 tln, she wasnt gonna get a client that late. Got home and took my drunk self to sleep. Took care of business in the morning. Finally banged a girl I've been meaning to bang this afternoon. Great performance! Got to luv it. My last night and there are a lot of hot girls! On a Monday! WTF! Some girls in rumbas already have their wrist band for classicos! Do I have a round two in me! LOL! Stay tuned!

[QUOTE=BrotherP;1640653]Had a good day at the beach with some buddies! Good to have friends! Early in the evening took a cute girl I've known for awhile but never banged. She was ok, not great. I always regret not following my first mind, but a least she got me off. Got back on the block for drinks and had fun. Me and a buddy shared a bottle of rum in the bar that was el flow. Mostly Dominicans. A few pro's, they seen me and waved. Always interesting watching them interact with their friends away from clients. They were having fun! They can dance! LOL! I got a bachata in, but I felt like I was holding her back. Still had fun Came out as classicos was closing. Grabbed a cute girl for 1500 tln, she wasnt gonna get a client that late. Got home and took my drunk self to sleep. Took care of business in the morning. Finally banged a girl I've been meaning to bang this afternoon. Great performance! Got to luv it. My last night and there are a lot of hot girls! On a Monday! WTF! Some girls in rumbas already have their wrist band for classicos! Do I have a round two in me! LOL! Stay tuned![/QUOTE]Thanks for the reports.

I know the feeling. Like a puppy that's been chained up finally let loose in a field.

After visiting DR, you realize how much regulation and loss of personal freedom we have at home.

Long live Sosua!

Didn't do a second session last night. Hung out and has drinks, got a few numbers. Lots of hot girls, ooutnumbering the guys. I guess Monday night football is a big draw. Got a hot light skinned dominicanas number. Long hair, thicker than a snickers! During the conversation I told her yo pago mil quientos. She gave me a look but didn't walk away. After awhile I told her I didn't want her right now, so she left. Cool chica. Was up at 8; hit her on whatsapp trying to line up a quick last session. She was available but wanted 2 mil and no chupa sin condom. I said no gracias cuidate. 20 minutes later she wrote back and agreed to my terms, said she didn't get a client and need some money. I said ok vienes rapido! She came looking good! Took a shower, great blow job, Took her time, everything. Great session, made sure I came, didn't rush out. Great ending to a great trip. It pays to stick to you r are guns. I gave her 1650, almost gave her 2 mil, but why spoil it? I'll be back in 8 weeks and if she's her we'll do it again. That's all brothers! Good times and safe travels to all!

All,

We took a boys' trip to Sosua last year in December, and my brother fell head-over-heels for a Dominican hooker we met at DLatin's. Since then he's been going back and forth between the USA And the DR. On a monthly basis just to spend time with her. He has her setup in an apartment in Santiago and he pays her bills and supports her two children. This December he plans to marry her.

Our entire family is against this course of action. It seems inconceivable to us that his fiance is no longer working as a prostitute. Even if she were loyal, it would still be a terrible idea.

Have any of you guys seen this girl in the picture below, or slept with her since last December?

[QUOTE=BrotherP;1640841]That's all brothers! Good times and safe travels to all![/QUOTE]Damn Brother, I missed you again! I will be there towards the end of this month.

Thank you for your reports and the "Boots on the Ground" information!

[QUOTE=KConstant;1641487]All,

We took a boys' trip to Sosua last year in December, and my brother fell head-over-heels for a Dominican hooker we met at DLatin's. Since then he's been going back and forth between the USA And the DR. On a monthly basis just to spend time with her. He has her setup in an apartment in Santiago and he pays her bills and supports her two children. This December he plans to marry her.

Our entire family is against this course of action. It seems inconceivable to us that his fiance is no longer working as a prostitute. Even if she were loyal, it would still be a terrible idea.

Have any of you guys seen this girl in the picture below, or slept with her since last December?[/QUOTE]To be honest with you, you are wasting your time! Millions of men over the course of history have tried to turn hoes into housewives, despite the objections of family and friends!! If you are a true friend, just be there for him when everything turns to shit.

[QUOTE=KConstant;1641487]All,

We took a boys' trip to Sosua last year in December, and my brother fell head-over-heels for a Dominican hooker we met at DLatin's. Since then he's been going back and forth between the USA And the DR. On a monthly basis just to spend time with her. He has her setup in an apartment in Santiago and he pays her bills and supports her two children. This December he plans to marry her.

Our entire family is against this course of action. It seems inconceivable to us that his fiance is no longer working as a prostitute. Even if she were loyal, it would still be a terrible idea.

Have any of you guys seen this girl in the picture below, or slept with her since last December?[/QUOTE]These type of relationships often fail, it goes without saying, but one would need to look at more important questions, such as whether your brother is really bonded with this woman and the two children. Does he plan to adopt them? Do they regard his as their father? Where is the father or fathers of these children and their grandparents? Does your brother intend to have more children with this woman to create more brothers and / or sisters in the family? He needs to be very careful, because in the event of it not working out, in a divorce she may be entitled to a part of his retirement pension or his home, and / or he may end up paying child support too (laws vary somewhat depending on what state the family lives in, etc.).

So the question as to whether she has had sex for money with any other men since she met him is the least of your worries, and even if there was evidence of this, it is unlikely to affect his decision.

I wish them all the best. There are a lot of blended families living around the Sosua-Cabarete area and some of them are very happy, but whether this situation with your brother will work out is anyone's guess. You are certainly right to be concerned.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1641619]To be honest with you, you are wasting your time! Millions of men over the course of history have tried to turn hoes into housewives, despite the objections of family and friends!! If you are a true friend, just be there for him when everything turns to shit.[/QUOTE]If he has already invested in an apartment and getting to know the kids, he is already gone. I've seen it happen many times and once she breaks his heart he will go into a shell and hide from everyone because he will realize he was a fool. The best thing to do is stay out of the train wreak if his brother won't listen.

Santiago girls are funny because they don't act and dress the same when they leave Sosua and go back to Santiago and that's probably what hooked him.

Many of you might know Judy from Santiago that used to work Sosua, good girl. Well, one time I was catching the metro bus at 1:20 pm leaving Sosua going to Santiago and she was also catching the same bus home to Santiago to see her family. We exchanged numbers and hung out in Santiago. She was a completely different Chica from when she was in Sosua.

She dressed different, no more hoochie outfits. Her family was a nice normal family and the city was like some middle class American cities. She would walk around my apartment cleaning up like a normal girlfriend. For a minute I thought " damn I could settle down with this girl". It was like a normal happy couple in America, Sosua was another world from us. In Sosua we were in hustle mode so everything was suspicious. In Santiago we were two people who appeared to have found their soul mates. Money was never an issue because she was more focused on me enjoying her city and her normal life.

When I saw her my next trip we were both in hustle mode and she was concentrating on getting her money and I was focused on other pussy, so we never hooked back up. My point is that it's easy to get hooked when you get these tricks outside of Sosua and see their real side. The key is to remember that it is all an adventure and learning experience and never give up you ace card before you have lived out the adventure.

One day I will settle down with an ex pro who can fuck, clean, and cook in one of these tropical islands (I don't want a good girl) and live out my final years but now I'm just living the adventure.

[QUOTE=KConstant;1641487]All,

We took a boys' trip to Sosua last year in December, and my brother fell head-over-heels for a Dominican hooker we met at DLatin's. Since then he's been going back and forth between the USA And the DR. On a monthly basis just to spend time with her. He has her setup in an apartment in Santiago and he pays her bills and supports her two children. This December he plans to marry her.

Our entire family is against this course of action. It seems inconceivable to us that his fiance is no longer working as a prostitute. Even if she were loyal, it would still be a terrible idea.

Have any of you guys seen this girl in the picture below, or slept with her since last December?[/QUOTE]I'll try to find and bang her if you think it might help. I'm there for you.

[QUOTE=KConstant;1641487]...Have any of you guys seen this girl in the picture below, or slept with her since last December?[/QUOTE]Is this chick a dude?

-Helpmann

[QUOTE=KConstant;1641487]Our entire family is against this course of action. It seems inconceivable to us that his fiance is no longer working as a prostitute. Even if she were loyal, it would still be a terrible idea.[/QUOTE]If he brings her and the kids to the States, marriage usually lasts 2 yrs, or just about enough time to get their papers in order. Also after 2 yrs, she's Americanized, and no longer the sweet Latina she was in the DR. As Bravo stated, be there for him when the sh*t hits the fan.

[QUOTE=Helpmann;1641668]Is this chick a dude?

-Helpmann[/QUOTE]She isn't very photogenic but she is definitely a female. A little pudgy, but she has very nice greenish eyes. I think she used to be a bartender at Winners Circle.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1641619]To be honest with you, you are wasting your time! Millions of men over the course of history have tried to turn hoes into housewives, despite the objections of family and friends!! If you are a true friend, just be there for him when everything turns to shit.[/QUOTE]I think Bravo summed it up best. There is nothing that is going to change your brother's mind about marrying that chica short of financial ruin trying to support her and her kids.

This is what most guys fail to realize: the benefit of chicas being your long distance girlfriend is receiving regular Western Union money transfers while at the same time not having to see your ass everyday. Dudes get the thought in their head that "If I marry her and move her to the states with me, then she won't need anymore money from me because I will be taking care of her!" Esentially asking a woman who is used to getting money on a regular basis from selling ass AND Western Union to now just sit on her ass, be broke, and pop out kids for you as a married woman.

I assume he realizes that an uneducated chick from a 3rd world country is NOT going to find any work in the US other than reverting back to selling ass again, LOL.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1641673]

I assume he realizes that an uneducated chick from a 3rd world country is NOT going to find any work in the US other than reverting back to selling ass again, LOL.[/QUOTE]This is not necessarily true. It probably depends on where you live. For example a young Haitian woman I know in Florida started work 2-3 years ago as a trainee bakery assistant in a Publix supermarket and is now the assistant manager for customer relations, has obtained a GED and is doing college courses in book-keeping. There are a lot of quite well paid jobs in supermarkets where you can start out very low and advance quickly if you are a diligent employee.

There is also plenty of demand for child care assistants, babysitters, etc. And it is possible to run a flea market business selling clothes, etc. , make money selling Avon, Princess House, etc. If the young woman is attractive to look at and flirtatious there are all kinds of sales and promotion jobs. And then there is the whole field of waitressing, where again she might earn good tips if attractive, and working in fast food service, hospital food service, etc. Where jobs can be had that don't need a high school diploma.

It is true that she is probably not going to get a job at Microsoft or Google or a government job, but there are many alternatives.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1641680]This is not necessarily true. It probably depends on where you live. For example a young Haitian woman I know in Florida started work 2-3 years ago as a trainee bakery assistant in a Publix supermarket and is now the assistant manager for customer relations, has obtained a GED and is doing college courses in book-keeping. There are a lot of quite well paid jobs in supermarkets where you can start out very low and advance quickly if you are a diligent employee.

There is also plenty of demand for child care assistants, babysitters, etc. And it is possible to run a flea market business selling clothes, etc. , make money selling Avon, Princess House, etc. If the young woman is attractive to look at and flirtatious there are all kinds of sales and promotion jobs. And then there is the whole field of waitressing, where again she might earn good tips if attractive, and working in fast food service, hospital food service, etc. Where jobs can be had that don't need a high school diploma.

It is true that she is probably not going to get a job at Microsoft or Google or a government job, but there are many alternatives.[/QUOTE]Two words. Drive & Ambition! If this 3rd world chica doesn't have those two qualities, then she will never have a decent job in America. Unfortunately, so many people from other countries think that America has money growing on trees. They don't understand that we work HARD for everything we have.

I have worked with some illegal aliens who could work 24 hours a day, 7 days a week to make money. However, I have yet to meet a "former" working girl who has that kind of fortitude. Once they get used to making 2 K for 10 minutes of "Dami leche poppi" the idea of working 10-12 hours a day seems like torture.

[QUOTE=KConstant;1641487]All,

We took a boys' trip to Sosua last year in December, and my brother fell head-over-heels for a Dominican hooker we met at DLatin's. Since then he's been going back and forth between the USA And the DR. On a monthly basis just to spend time with her. He has her setup in an apartment in Santiago and he pays her bills and supports her two children. This December he plans to marry her.

Our entire family is against this course of action. It seems inconceivable to us that his fiance is no longer working as a prostitute. Even if she were loyal, it would still be a terrible idea.

Have any of you guys seen this girl in the picture below, or slept with her since last December?[/QUOTE]I'm assuming that this is really your brother who is in this situation.

You're not asking for advice here, but you'll get plenty anyway (it's the nature of this board).

First, I don't recognize her and I'm familiar with a lot of regulars on the strip, but there are so many chicas coming in every week that she could be really active there and we'd never know it, just by the luck of the draw. For that info you need a contact in town who knows what's going on. They are not hard to find.

I too am close to a Dominicana, spend a lot of quality one on one time with her, and have fantasized about what it would be like to settle down with her.

From my experience I only have seen the following situations work out.

If you already live down there, are really familiar with the culture, and take a local wife.

If you are Dominican-American, live in the States and bring her back into a Dominican-American cultural lifestyle, family and friends, so she doesn't feel isolated from language, food, family, friends etc.

Other than those two situations, a cross cultural relationship is unlikely to last, especially if she's a lot younger (those young chicas get bored very easily) but I can see a guy who thinks he has found his dream girl won't be thinking about all the negative stuff, and may go for it for as long as it lasts. It happens all the time, usually with the same ending.

Maybe, as they say, it's better to have loved and lost, than never to have loved at all?

All you can do is go on record and point this stuff out, and support him anyway when he tells you its not your business, or you don't understand. Unless he's too young, it's his life after all.

There is one danger, and I've had something like this happen to me. If you figure she's just a hoe and only after his money, and tell him so, then in the odd chance that it really does work out, you'll lose a brother (and a sister in law).

Good luck!

[QUOTE=KConstant;1641487]All,

We took a boys' trip to Sosua last year in December, and my brother fell head-over-heels for a Dominican hooker we met at DLatin's. Since then he's been going back and forth between the USA And the DR. On a monthly basis just to spend time with her. He has her setup in an apartment in Santiago and he pays her bills and supports her two children. This December he plans to marry her.

Our entire family is against this course of action. It seems inconceivable to us that his fiance is no longer working as a prostitute. Even if she were loyal, it would still be a terrible idea.

Have any of you guys seen this girl in the picture below, or slept with her since last December?[/QUOTE]I never understand why Gringos want to marry a Sousa Puta? Sosua of all places? Its like trying to find a wife in a StripClub or on Backpage, If you are looking for a wife, Learn the Language and Go to Santo Domingo Capital and go find you a normal girl with a real job.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1641816]

There is one danger, and I've had something like this happen to me. If you figure she's just a hoe and only after his money, and tell him so, then in the odd chance that it really does work out, you'll lose a brother (and a sister in law).

Good luck![/QUOTE]I think you're right about this. Also, it's too far gone at this point. I would be very surprised if it worked out, but I also hope that he's not too crushed when it fails.

Thanks

Greetings,

I'll be back in Sosua in December of this year. I visited Sosua in December 2013 and May 2014, and both times I stayed at the Sea Breeze hotels. The first time was at the recommendation of Cuba Dave. However, I found that I liked the friendly tourist groups that congregate at Sea Breeze. Also, the hotel staff has done right be me on both visits. The fixtures are old and the cleaning crew could do a better job, but once I'm liquored up it matters less to me; I stay liquored up for most of my time in Sosua. Frankly, I spend very little time in my room.

Sea Breeze is 40 USD / night. It has a decent bar with pleasant staff. I know the owner and the long time bartenders, and it's very familiar to me at this point. When I look around, I find very few hotels at the same price point w / equal amenities. For better amenities it appears that I need to spend 60 USD-80 USD per night.

What's the consensus out there? Is there a hidden jewel out there that I'm missing with cleaner rooms and friendlier staff, for 40 USD / night?

[QUOTE=Oakie;1641816]
From my experience I only have seen the following situations work out.

If you already live down there, are really familiar with the culture, and take a local wife.

If you are Dominican-American, live in the States and bring her back into a Dominican-American cultural lifestyle, family and friends, so she doesn't feel isolated from language, food, family, friends etc.

Other than those two situations, a cross cultural relationship is unlikely to last, especially if she's a lot younger (those young chicas get bored very easily) but I can see a guy who thinks he has found his dream girl won't be thinking about all the negative stuff, and may go for it for as long as it lasts. It happens all the time, usually with the same ending.

![/QUOTE]Great advice!

I was talking to a dominican woman who lived in NY and she explained to me that she didn't American Black people had a sense of community. She said "As soon as you guys get money, you move away from everybody and everything you know. No wonder you have no sense of community!" So if we marry a dominicana and mover her out to the burbs, of course she is going to hate it.

Everyone here should know that Dominicanas have an extreme loyalty to the Dominicano and the Dominican culture. In a way they have been brainwashed to believe nothing else matters. Therefore you are always in competition with that and it's an uphill battle. I truly believe that they think it's their duty to fuck a Dominicano even if they are married to a foreigner. The Dominicano is king to her and to not interact with him would be selling out her culture in her mind.

Now take the Asians; they have loyalty to culture but are also allowed to think outside the box if presented with an opportunity to better themselves. They are also more traditional and understand that a wife has to be loyal, cook, and take care of her household first with her foreign husband. She won't risk a good thing to be loyal to her culture. Why do Fillipinas come to America with there foreign husbands and have strong relationships as they relocate but the Dominicana can't?

The Colombianas appear to adapt well to relocating as long as you can keep the finances up, when the lifestyle takes a dive they are gone to someone who can keep her at a certain status. I can respect that because they are willing be good wives but they have standards. Whereas the Dominicana can be in Canada with a house with a pool and BMW and give it all up to go back to the DR and hangout at el flow.

The Haitians (I've dated a few here in the States) are also a good choice for wife material because they love their culture but are independent thinkers. They are some of the best fuckers and real people but once you try to duck them over its hell to pay. My ex wanted marriage and kids and I didn't so I told her maybe she should move on. She married a white doctor and has twin girls and I'm happy for her. I told her I was just keeping her warm until he came. This guy has a good wife and family.

Cuba has a strong culture also where sex and romance is alive, so you are always competing with the Cubano and the culture.

It's okay for a girl to be loyal to her culture but if she can't appreciate the good things a foreign husband is offering because of loyalty to her culture and her country men, you might have big problems.

I have not seen the dominicano loyalty you speak of. Poverty trumps all that stuff. Dominican men impregnate and skate. The option of not being tired and hungry is a no brainer.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1642031]I have not seen the dominicano loyalty you speak of. Poverty trumps all that stuff. Dominican men impregnate and skate. The option of not being tired and hungry is a no brainer.[/QUOTE]Then explain why Dominicanas have problems adjusting to other cultures? Explain why they some say " I hate Dominican dudes because they beat us up and impregnate us, cheat on us and take what money we have", then turn around and have more babies by them? Explain how a Dominican mother cooks three meals for her grown son living at home that doesn't work and doesn't take care of his six kids? Explain how a Chica can fuck tourists for money and give the money to her Dominican boyfriend? If you can't understand this is loyalty, you just don't want to believe what is obvious.

If these girls were the independent thinkers that you betray, guys would be snatching them up to be perfect wives. Again, they are brainwashed by the culture.

[QUOTE=KConstant;1641896]Greetings,

I'll be back in Sosua in December of this year. I visited Sosua in December 2013 and May 2014, and both times I stayed at the Sea Breeze hotels. The first time was at the recommendation of Cuba Dave. However, I found that I liked the friendly tourist groups that congregate at Sea Breeze. Also, the hotel staff has done right be me on both visits. The fixtures are old and the cleaning crew could do a better job, but once I'm liquored up it matters less to me; I stay liquored up for most of my time in Sosua. Frankly, I spend very little time in my room.

Sea Breeze is 40 USD / night. It has a decent bar with pleasant staff. I know the owner and the long time bartenders, and it's very familiar to me at this point. When I look around, I find very few hotels at the same price point w / equal amenities. For better amenities it appears that I need to spend 60 USD-80 USD per night.

What's the consensus out there? Is there a hidden jewel out there that I'm missing with cleaner rooms and friendlier staff, for 40 USD / night?[/QUOTE]It's all about your comfort level. Cracked tiles in the bathroom, poor wi fi, or not enough hot water can be very upsetting to some (read the reviews), but when you walk out of that airport into the summer breeze, you need to know that you'll be comfortable there, with the stuff and people around you that you canrelax with.

When you get bored, tired of fucking, whatever, you can walk up the street and check out the other places for next time.

That's how it works.

Think of hotels like chicas. We all have our favorites, but seldom agree on one. :)

Look around here and you'll see lots of recommendations.

[QUOTE=KConstant;1641896]
What's the consensus out there? Is there a hidden jewel out there that I'm missing with cleaner rooms and friendlier staff, for 40 USD / night?[/QUOTE]I don't think you will find a consensus here. I heard too many bad things about the the hotel, but I will admit, I have never stayed there myself.

The only two hotels I've used was the New Garden and as the last 4-5 trips, Casa Cayena. NG got to noisy for my taste. CC is off the main street and is quiet.

If you stay at the SB, please write about the place so others will know.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1642031]I have not seen the dominicano loyalty you speak of. Poverty trumps all that stuff. Dominican men impregnate and skate. The option of not being tired and hungry is a no brainer.[/QUOTE]You're right to a degree, but once fed and watered, she is still a woman, and you would have to have to devote a good part of your time to keeping HER happy, if you want to have any life with her at all.

Which is the direct opposite of what most mongers want.

I think I have gotten close to it. We've been through all sorts of life and death experiences topgether, all over the island with family and friends, so that when we're together anywhere, we are in sync. In a crowd of friends, family (her family and mine, we've done it all) or strangers, one look or raised eyebrow or a half smile says it all.

We don't need to talk.

If we got together permanently, I would feel responsible for keeping that smile on her face, but at my age I need to be a little selfish.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1642005]Everyone here should know that Dominicanas have an extreme loyalty to the Dominicano and the Dominican culture. In a way they have been brainwashed to believe nothing else matters. Therefore you are always in competition with that and it's an uphill battle. I truly believe that they think it's their duty to fuck a Dominicano even if they are married to a foreigner. The Dominicano is king to her and to not interact with him would be selling out her culture in her mind.

Now take the Asians; they have loyalty to culture but are also allowed to think outside the box if presented with an opportunity to better themselves. They are also more traditional and understand that a wife has to be loyal, cook, and take care of her household first with her foreign husband. She won't risk a good thing to be loyal to her culture. Why do Fillipinas come to America with there foreign husbands and have strong relationships as they relocate but the Dominicana can't?..[/QUOTE]Really like what you said and agree! Was in DR and have a GF there now. She has a big thing for trying to get me to be Dominican. I've been to Colombia a few times and have two friends how married through cupido. Both are still married and doing well, but they also have a good job and are great guys. But if their finances take a dive, I can see maybe a change happen slowly.

Need some information of tacking the bus from Boca Chica / Santo Domingo to Sosua. I know metro runs directly into Sosua where do I pick it up at in Boca / Santo Domingo.

Thanks,

Chris

[QUOTE=KConstant;1641896]Greetings,

I'll be back in Sosua in December of this year. I visited Sosua in December 2013 and May 2014, and both times I stayed at the Sea Breeze hotels. The first time was at the recommendation of Cuba Dave. However, I found that I liked the friendly tourist groups that congregate at Sea Breeze. Also, the hotel staff has done right be me on both visits. The fixtures are old and the cleaning crew could do a better job, but once I'm liquored up it matters less to me; I stay liquored up for most of my time in Sosua. Frankly, I spend very little time in my room.

Sea Breeze is 40 USD / night. It has a decent bar with pleasant staff. I know the owner and the long time bartenders, and it's very familiar to me at this point. When I look around, I find very few hotels at the same price point w / equal amenities. For better amenities it appears that I need to spend 60 USD-80 USD per night.

What's the consensus out there? Is there a hidden jewel out there that I'm missing with cleaner rooms and friendlier staff, for 40 USD / night?[/QUOTE]Here we are again with the College dorm room hotel. I think SB is a rip off compared to Europa. I did SB back to back in June and July. I have stayed Don A, Casa Angela 1 &2. NG, and placed my friends in different hotels in the area. I like the location to the strip, however, I wouldn't give SB $25 to stay there again.

[QUOTE=ChrisLong;1642229]Need some information of tacking the bus from Boca Chica / Santo Domingo to Sosua. I know metro runs directly into Sosua where do I pick it up at in Boca / Santo Domingo.

Thanks,

Chris[/QUOTE]Metro does not run to boca chica. The sd station is on winston chruchill ave a couple blocks up from blue mall.

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1642534]Metro does not run to boca chica. The sd station is on winston chruchill ave a couple blocks up from blue mall.[/QUOTE]Chris you are going to have to take the bus near the Mc Donald or park to SD then change buses for the metro to Sosua.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1642574]Chris you are going to have to take the bus near the Mc Donald or park to SD then change buses for the metro to Sosua.[/QUOTE]Correct. The bus at the park goes to the main depo in SD for like 50 pesos. Then it's 150-200 pesos for a cab to metro. Metro leaves at 7 am, 11 am, and 4 pm. The metro that leaves at 1 pm stops at Puerto Plata.

Carib tours is 150 pesos cab ride from metro. Carib tours leave every hour at the top of the hour and is the same 380 pesos to ride to Sosua. From the Carib tours station in Charmicos outside of Sosua the cab care is 150-200 pesos. The metro stops at the top of the hill by the highway.

Take a jacket because the bus us very cold. Also try to catch one of the early buses and get there early. The 4 pm from SD to Sosua on metro sells out quick. One time it sold out on me and I had to hop a cab over to Carib tours. Also SD traffic can be hell.

I have the option delta voucher that I can use to go to DM. Delta doesn't fly to Puerto Plata. I can fly to either Santo Domingo and Santiago.

I have heard that the trip from Santiago to Sosua go through mountains. How about is the trip from Santo Domingo to Sosua then? Do you still.

Have to go through the same mountains?

Can someone also recommend me a taxi driver in Sosua. I speak almost no Spanish.

[QUOTE=Durandpaul;1642716]

I have heard that the trip from Santiago to Sosua go through mountains. How about is the trip from Santo Domingo to Sosua then? Do you still.

Have to go through the same mountains?

[/QUOTE]Unclear post. Are you keen to experience the mountains for scenic reasons or keen to avoid them for safety reasons?

Either way, nothing to get excited about. They are not really mountains, just hill country. Evidently you are not renting an auto so you can let the bus or taxi driver worrry about the mountains. There is one possible route from Santiago to Sosua via Yasica which does go through the hills and is quite scenic but it can be quite a tricky drive in or after bad weather. If you want to avoid that, tell your driver to take the main highway via Navarrete and Imbert. This is the road the buses use.

Coming from SD there is a new toll road which only uses the flatlands. It is a much longer trip.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1642578]Correct. The bus at the park goes to the main depo in SD for like 50 pesos. Then it's 150-200 pesos for a cab to metro. Metro leaves at 7 am, 11 am, and 4 pm. The metro that leaves at 1 pm stops at Puerto Plata.

Carib tours is 150 pesos cab ride from metro. Carib tours leave every hour at the top of the hour and is the same 380 pesos to ride to Sosua. From the Carib tours station in Charmicos outside of Sosua the cab care is 150-200 pesos. The metro stops at the top of the hill by the highway.

Take a jacket because the bus us very cold. Also try to catch one of the early buses and get there early. The 4 pm from SD to Sosua on metro sells out quick. One time it sold out on me and I had to hop a cab over to Carib tours. Also SD traffic can be hell.[/QUOTE]Very helpful post, Mr Gogo.

[QUOTE=Durandpaul;1642716]I have the option delta voucher that I can use to go to DM. Delta doesn't fly to Puerto Plata. I can fly to either Santo Domingo and Santiago.

I have heard that the trip from Santiago to Sosua go through mountains. How about is the trip from Santo Domingo to Sosua then? Do you still.

Have to go through the same mountains?

Can someone also recommend me a taxi driver in Sosua. I speak almost no Spanish.[/QUOTE]I recommend [URL]http://www.yellowcabdr.com[/URL]. They will send a Spanish speaking driver or a girl who speaks Spanish along with the driver. Cost is $100 U$ dollars. You can even pay using Paypal. They will be at the airport holding your name plate when you arrive. From Santiago the trip in a Cab is about 1 hour and 20 minutes. Santiago is about 75 miles from Sosua. Santo Domingo is a lot further.

Yes you will be going through the country side. Two way to get there. I believe they mainly use Hwy 5, which will take you through Miamon and Puerto Plata before Sosua. The opposite way is through Mao & Cabarete. Enjoy your trip.

RR.

[QUOTE=RonnyRon;1643080]I recommend [URL]http://www.yellowcabdr.com[/URL]. They will send a Spanish speaking driver or a girl who speaks Spanish along with the driver. Cost is $100 U$ dollars. You can even pay using Paypal. They will be at the airport holding your name plate when you arrive. From Santiago the trip in a Cab is about 1 hour and 20 minutes. Santiago is about 75 miles from Sosua. Santo Domingo is a lot further.

Yes you will be going through the country side. Two way to get there. I believe they mainly use Hwy 5, which will take you through Miamon and Puerto Plata before Sosua. The opposite way is through Mao & Cabarete. Enjoy your trip.

RR.[/QUOTE]I fly into Santiago in a couple weeks, the ticket price is 345 usd. If I had decided to fly into POP the ticket price was 640 usd, so basically you pay the difference in cab fare to fly into STI, not to mention the drive time.

I fly into STI to save money and it also gives me time to freelance while I catch the bus from STI to Sosua. Outside of Sosua you can pickup girls looking for a fun time. Frannie said it was 20 dollars from STI to the metro bus station in Santiago, then 380 pesos for the bus ride to Sosua. So you save 70 usd each way by not paying the 100 usd cab fare.

Girls know that if you are a foreign single traveler on the bus going to the north coast, you are probably going for p4 p. The girls try to get the jump on the completion by making an early play while riding the bus. One time I had this older lady about 40 cuddle up to me and take a nap on my shoulder as I felt her leg up, wild shit always happen on the bus fellas.

But to each his own and safe travels.

I use the buses all the time. It saves so much money and is a pleasant way to travel. Yes you can meet chicas on the bus. I had a wing man who was offered a blow job on an almost empty bus. No local would ever consider using a cab.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1643148]I fly into Santiago in a couple weeks, the ticket price is 345 usd. If I had decided to fly into POP the ticket price was 640 usd, so basically you pay the difference in cab fare to fly into STI, not to mention the drive time.

I fly into STI to save money and it also gives me time to freelance while I catch the bus from STI to Sosua. Outside of Sosua you can pickup girls looking for a fun time. Frannie said it was 20 dollars from STI to the metro bus station in Santiago, then 380 pesos for the bus ride to Sosua. So you save 70 usd each way by not paying the 100 usd cab fare.

Girls know that if you are a foreign single traveler on the bus going to the north coast, you are probably going for p4 p. The girls try to get the jump on the completion by making an early play while riding the bus. One time I had this older lady about 40 cuddle up to me and take a nap on my shoulder as I felt her leg up, wild shit always happen on the bus fellas.

But to each his own and safe travels.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Durandpaul;1642716]I speak almost no Spanish.[/QUOTE]But from your name I guess you speak French. Congratulations. The wonderful world of haitianas is yours to explore.

Hello my fellow mongers,

I am new to the Caribbean scene and I was wondering how different is DR to Thailand and the Philippines. I have bin to Pattaya and Angeles for many times and I am getting board. I Have read almost the last 50 pages about the DR. But I still have some Questions. Do the girls approach you in DR or do you approach them. Because anybody that who has ever bin to Asia know that the girls are on you like flies on shit. I have read that the normal price for ST is about 1500 p and LT 2500 p. I am not cheap but overpaying is nothing that I am a fan of. Is it cheaper if you are young (I am 34). I have read that the GFE is rare in the DR but alot of guys here have GF's? In general I like clubbing and I am a very laid back guy. Even like the kind of bars I have seen on the pics on this forum. Please guys help a fellow monger whit some info.

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Hey what up my brothers,

I wanted to know what is the weekly salary these chicas make. I'm talking about different types of chicas. Which make more in a regular week (not during high season or low season lets call it during a mid season) who will make more between Sunday thru Saturday if the chica works every night. Who will make more Dominicans or Haitians. * What about chicas that rates 0-3 how much you think they average in one week. What about chicas that rate 4-5 how much they make in a week. What about chicas that rates 6-7 how much they will make a week. And lastly the 8-10 chicas how much they could make in a week.

P.S. If possible make a chart.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Muppen1;1643253]Do the girls approach you in DR or do you approach them.[/QUOTE]Hardcore chicas in tourist areas will approach you but overall they are the small minority. I have been coming here and then living here for nine years. After my first few weeks I learned to avoid any chica who approached me. But some guys seem to prefer that type. Your choice.

Other pros and semi-pros may not approach you but will make their availability clear by returning your smile or by hanging around and looking at you.

[QUOTE=Muppen1;1643253]I have read that the normal price for ST is about 1500 p and LT 2500 p. [/QUOTE]As a rough guide that is about right. But enormous variations depending upon how popular the chica is, location, time of day / night, day of the week, time of the year, what you look and behave like, etc. , etc.

[QUOTE=Muppen1;1643253]Is it cheaper if you are young (I am 34).[/QUOTE]If you are younger, reasonable looking, well-groomed, chicas will prefer to socialize with younger guys. They have their fantasy boyfriends just as we use them as fantasy girlfriends. If you show them a good time they may not even charge you for sex. But you will have spent a hell of a lot more money in other ways.

More important than age is fluency, and ability to keep them amused, in Spanish.

For a quick bang, chicas may prefer older guys so long as they are fit and healthy. Their thinking is they won't have to work so hard and older guys are safer.

[QUOTE=Sparta25;1643323]Hey what up my brothers,

I wanted to know what is the weekly salary these chicas make. I'm talking about different types of chicas. Which make more in a regular week (not during high season or low season lets call it during a mid season) who will make more between Sunday thru Saturday if the chica works every night. Who will make more Dominicans or Haitians. * What about chicas that rates 0-3 how much you think they average in one week. What about chicas that rate 4-5 how much they make in a week. What about chicas that rates 6-7 how much they will make a week. And lastly the 8-10 chicas how much they could make in a week.

P.S. If possible make a chart.

Thanks![/QUOTE]That's a tall order from a newbie.

Maybe you should review the posts on the forum?

How much they make varies greatly. There are way more girls then guys. It is a buyers market all the time. The girls are always hungry. They share what ever they have to survive. Most nights the average girl does not pull a trick. I am often overwhelmed by large number of girls. It is difficult to choose. Very attractive girls go every night with no money.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1643512]That's a tall order from a newbie.

Maybe you should review the posts on the forum?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sparta25;1643323]Hey what up my brothers,

I wanted to know what is the weekly salary these chicas make. I'm talking about different types of chicas. Which make more in a regular week (not during high season or low season lets call it during a mid season) who will make more between Sunday thru Saturday if the chica works every night. Who will make more Dominicans or Haitians. * What about chicas that rates 0-3 how much you think they average in one week. What about chicas that rate 4-5 how much they make in a week. What about chicas that rates 6-7 how much they will make a week. And lastly the 8-10 chicas how much they could make in a week.

P.S. If possible make a chart.

Thanks![/QUOTE]Looks like you are new to this game. Who cares about what they make and who needs a chart to follow. There no rules per se in mongering and there are no hard rules to go by as to money. You should make a visit and find out yourself. No experienced monger can teach you. Go find a girl you like, fuck her, pay her. Along the way you will encounter a learning curve. As you get more experience you will not ask these silly questions.

The two best towns for mongering in the DR are Boca Chica located in the Capital and Sosua in Puerto Plata. I would recommend Sosua over Boca Chica. The nearest airport is located in Puerto Plata. Many of the chicas in the DR are aggressive in the sense that they will approach you and many are use to hustling. Just be prepare for the hustling as it is sort of a way of life for many. You have to learn to become a little big of hustler yourself in the DR.

And learn to haggle with the hookers as with most vendors as this is done every where. For example, you ask a hooker how much you charge, if you don't know the rates they will say 3000 pesos (75 dollar) for 2 hours. Then you said no that is too much what about 1500 for all night and then she could say yes or settle for just a little more for the two hours or all night. After sex or while with them, they will share their misery stories such as have three kids, a sick parent, no husband to help me, etc and then they be asking for extras such as can I have that massage oil, that shampoo, some of those condos, money for a taxi or motoconcho. Just say no to your personal items cause I need them. I give them only extra money for a motoconcho to drive them out cause is super cheap. They are many that are shy and won't approach you until you make obvious eye contact that you are interested or you approach them. Some will approach without you making eye contact and even when you walking on the areas they hang out. There are tons of chicas in both towns. I was in Boca Chica this year but I felt overwhelmed with so many chicas approaching me while walking and when I was sitting down eating in an outdoor restaurant by myself. If you like that is fine, but I don't like to be approach so much. The girls usually hang out in bars, dance places, corners, and restaurant down the strips of both towns. Sosua and Boca Chica are both poor towns but have a beautiful clear water beach. I think there are more beautiful women and variety in Sosua than Boca Chica. There are a lot of dark skin Dominicans and black Haitians in both towns and that will be a big change from the light skin Asian women. If you don't like dark skin morenas, you may not like the DR cause even the lighter Dominicans get toasted with the Caribbean sun. The Haitians compete with the Dominicans for clients and are often cheaper. I found many Haitians willing to go for less than 1000 pesos (25 dollars). Your age won't matter with the price. It is more of a negotiating thing. Just know that the price in Sosua range from 25 to 50 dollars. Anything over 50 dollars you are overpaying unless is overnight or when having a high end girl. You will find light skin Dominicans but they are the minority. Dominican women are not as skinny as the Asian, but you will find all types and shapes. They tend to have bigger asses than the Asians. Dominican women are very affectionate in general so I don't know where you got that there is little GF, but that all depends from person to person, your looks or how much they like you. There are tons of girls looking for a foreign boyfriend just like Asians, but you should stick to the P4 P cause then you will fall on a hustling trap or the typical a request for money after you leave. Also, don't book in an all inclusive hotel cause they are not chica friendly. You will need a chica friendly hotel to bring your girls. Check the board for the hotel recommendations.

[QUOTE=Muppen1;1643253]Hello my fellow mongers,

I am new to the Caribbean scene and I was wondering how different is DR to Thailand and the Philippines. I have bin to POattaya and Angeles for many times and I am getting board. I Have read almost the last 50 pages about the DR. But I still have some Questions. Do the girls approach you in DR or do you approach them. Because anybody that who has ever bin to Asia know that the girls are on you like flies on shit. I have read that the normal price for ST is about 1500 p and LT 2500 p. I am not cheap but overpaying is nothing that I am a fan of. Is it cheaper if you are young (I am 34). I have read that the GFE is rare in the DR but alot of guys here have GF's? In general I like clubbing and I am a very laid back guy. Even like the kind of bars I have seen on the pics on this forum. Please guys help a fellow monger whit some info...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1643502]Hardcore chicas in tourist areas will approach you but overall they are the small minority. I have been coming here and then living here for nine years. After my first few weeks I learned to avoid any chica who approached me. But some guys seem to prefer that type. Your choice.

Other pros and semi-pros may not approach you but will make their availability clear by returning your smile or by hanging around and looking at you.

As a rough guide that is about right. But enormous variations depending upon how popular the chica is, location, time of day / night, day of the week, time of the year, what you look and behave like, etc. , etc.

If you are younger, reasonable looking, well-groomed, chicas will prefer to socialize with younger guys. They have their fantasy boyfriends just as we use them as fantasy girlfriends. If you show them a good time they may not even charge you for sex. But you will have spent a hell of a lot more money in other ways.

More important than age is fluency, and ability to keep them amused, in Spanish.

For a quick bang, chicas may prefer older guys so long as they are fit and healthy. Their thinking is they won't have to work so hard and older guys are safer.[/QUOTE]Thanks for all the answers to my questions.

I had real problems whit girls in Thailand. I like both ST and LT and whit the right girl even a little GFE. But the hole reason I like mongering so much is that I don't have to have any feelings towards the girl (love and all that crap I always respect people and like having a humble approach to any male or female). There was a girl in Thailand stuck to me like glue (no bragging I promise). Specially, a non working girl she showed up at my dad's house. (he has a house in Pattaya). She kept calling my cell over a week. And when I ran in to her on walking street I couldn't get rid of her. The hole reason I monger is because I like the variety of women. So I wanted to know if it was the same in the Caribbean. And I agree with you to 100% that dinners movies and all of that at her crap is far most expensive then just paying for it.

[QUOTE=Sparta25;1643323]Hey what up my brothers,

I wanted to know what is the weekly salary these chicas make. I'm talking about different types of chicas. Which make more in a regular week (not during high season or low season lets call it during a mid season) who will make more between Sunday thru Saturday if the chica works every night. Who will make more Dominicans or Haitians. * What about chicas that rates 0-3 how much you think they average in one week. What about chicas that rate 4-5 how much they make in a week. What about chicas that rates 6-7 how much they will make a week. And lastly the 8-10 chicas how much they could make in a week.

P.S. If possible make a chart.

Thanks![/QUOTE]Most everything you asked can be found here:

[URL]http://www.ministeriodetrabajo.gob.do/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1643530]The two best towns for mongering in the DR are Boca Chica located in the Capital and Sosua in Puerto Plata. I would recommend Sosua over Boca Chica. The nearest airport is located in Puerto Plata. Many of the chicas in the DR are aggressive in the sense that they will approach you and many are use to hustling. Just be prepare for the hustling as it is sort of a way of life for many. You have to learn to become a little big of hustler yourself in the DR.

And learn to haggle with the hookers as with most vendors as this is done every where. For example, you ask a hooker how much you charge, if you don't know the rates they will say 3000 pesos (75 dollar) for 2 hours. Then you said no that is too much what about 1500 for all night and then she could say yes or settle for just a little more for the two hours or all night. After sex or while with them, they will share their misery stories such as have three kids, a sick parent, no husband to help me, etc and then they be asking for extras such as can I have that massage oil, that shampoo, some of those condos, money for a taxi or motoconcho. Just say no to your personal items cause I need them. I give them only extra money for a motoconcho to drive them out cause is super cheap. They are many that are shy and won't approach you until you make obvious eye contact that you are interested or you approach them. Some will approach without you making eye contact and even when you walking on the areas they hang out. There are tons of chicas in both towns. I was in Boca Chica this year but I felt overwhelmed with so many chicas approaching me while walking and when I was sitting down eating in an outdoor restaurant by myself. If you like that is fine, but I don't like to be approach so much. The girls usually hang out in bars, dance places, corners, and restaurant down the strips of both towns. Sosua and Boca Chica are both poor towns but have a beautiful clear water beach. I think there are more beautiful women and variety in Sosua than Boca Chica. There are a lot of dark skin Dominicans and black Haitians in both towns and that will be a big change from the light skin Asian women. If you don't like dark skin morenas, you may not like the DR cause even the lighter Dominicans get toasted with the Caribbean sun. The Haitians compete with the Dominicans for clients and are often cheaper. I found many Haitians willing to go for less than 1000 pesos (25 dollars). Your age won't matter with the price. It is more of a negotiating thing. Just know that the price in Sosua range from 25 to 50 dollars. Anything over 50 dollars you are overpaying unless is overnight or when having a high end girl. You will find light skin Dominicans but they are the minority. Dominican women are not as skinny as the Asian, but you will find all types and shapes. They tend to have bigger asses than the Asians. Dominican women are very affectionate in general so I don't know where you got that there is little GF, but that all depends from person to person, your looks or how much they like you. There are tons of girls looking for a foreign boyfriend just like Asians, but you should stick to the P4 P cause then you will fall on a hustling trap or the typical a request for money after you leave. Also, don't book in an all inclusive hotel cause they are not chica friendly. You will need a chica friendly hotel to bring your girls. Check the board for the hotel recommendations.[/QUOTE]Nice report however the beach at Boca Chica is a dump and the quality and variety of woman in Sosua far exceeds Boca Chica. Also as you noted there are a lot more aggressive hustlers and Putas in Boca Chica. I have been in Boca Chica for three days now and have had women literally grab me and when I tell them to take a hike they get offensive, I start with no thanks first, then please keep walking, please don't bother me, and finally get away in Spanish. You almost have to push some of them off you.

While eating dinner last night a shoeshine boy wanted to polish my flip flops, and I had to tell the waitress to get rid of him.

Upon finishing a chicken dinner in a sidewalk restaurant with my chica the other night and pushing it aside, a guy came in and scooped up the bones and leftover food from the plate and ran away.

Hustlers also congregate outside the market opposite the park in Boca Chica and pan handle.

In summary I cannot recommend Boca Chica in comparison to Sosua.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1643512]That's a tall order from a newbie.[/QUOTE]I would have a crack at it. Depends how much is paying.

Cerebro.

I appreciate this info you put out. I'm still tied down with commitment and won't travel till January-February. So far just lurking around and reading what why'all put out here.

Que sigue contribuyendo. Gracias!

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1643530]The two best towns for mongering in the DR are Boca Chica located in the Capital and Sosua in Puerto Plata. I would recommend Sosua over Boca Chica. The nearest airport is located in Puerto Plata. Many of the chicas in the DR are aggressive in the sense that they will approach you and many are use to hustling. Just be prepare for the hustling as it is sort of a way of life for many. You have to learn to become a little big of hustler yourself in the DR.

And learn to haggle with the hookers as with most vendors as this is done every where. For example, you ask a hooker how much you charge, if you don't know the rates they will say 3000 pesos (75 dollar) for 2 hours. Then you said no that is too much what about 1500 for all night and then she could say yes or settle for just a little more for the two hours or all night. After sex or while with them, they will share their misery stories such as have three kids, a sick parent, no husband to help me, etc and then they be asking for extras such as can I have that massage oil, that shampoo, some of those condos, money for a taxi or motoconcho. Just say no to your personal items cause I need them. I give them only extra money for a motoconcho to drive them out cause is super cheap. They are many that are shy and won't approach you until you make obvious eye contact that you are interested or you approach them. Some will approach without you making eye contact and even when you walking on the areas they hang out. There are tons of chicas in both towns. I was in Boca Chica this year but I felt overwhelmed with so many chicas approaching me while walking and when I was sitting down eating in an outdoor restaurant by myself. If you like that is fine, but I don't like to be approach so much. The girls usually hang out in bars, dance places, corners, and restaurant down the strips of both towns. Sosua and Boca Chica are both poor towns but have a beautiful clear water beach. I think there are more beautiful women and variety in Sosua than Boca Chica. There are a lot of dark skin Dominicans and black Haitians in both towns and that will be a big change from the light skin Asian women. If you don't like dark skin morenas, you may not like the DR cause even the lighter Dominicans get toasted with the Caribbean sun. The Haitians compete with the Dominicans for clients and are often cheaper. I found many Haitians willing to go for less than 1000 pesos (25 dollars). Your age won't matter with the price. It is more of a negotiating thing. Just know that the price in Sosua range from 25 to 50 dollars. Anything over 50 dollars you are overpaying unless is overnight or when having a high end girl. You will find light skin Dominicans but they are the minority. Dominican women are not as skinny as the Asian, but you will find all types and shapes. They tend to have bigger asses than the Asians. Dominican women are very affectionate in general so I don't know where you got that there is little GF, but that all depends from person to person, your looks or how much they like you. There are tons of girls looking for a foreign boyfriend just like Asians, but you should stick to the P4 P cause then you will fall on a hustling trap or the typical a request for money after you leave. Also, don't book in an all inclusive hotel cause they are not chica friendly. You will need a chica friendly hotel to bring your girls. Check the board for the hotel recommendations.[/QUOTE]

Surfer500,

Thanks for the picture you painted with your actual personal experiences. This kind of narrative helps newbies like myself who are planning future trip.

I've heard the same about how dirty the boca chica beach is from other members. It sounds, however, they have more economically disparate population. I get this from your story about the guy who snatched your dinner leftovers. I wonder if you see this as economic desperation and would lead to higher crime rates in BC?

What are your thoughts on Juan Dolio beach town? I think that will be my first home base. I am thinking to find a host family there who will rent me a room. This way I'll have more flexibility with future moving plans. And I'll get free lessons on real life in the DR.

No interests in p4 p what so ever. Just healthy cheap food and clean hustle free beach!

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1643607]Nice report however the beach at Boca Chica is a dump and the quality and variety of woman in Sosua far exceeds Boca Chica. Also as you noted there are a lot more aggressive hustlers and Putas in Boca Chica. I have been in Boca Chica for three days now and have had women literally grab me and when I tell them to take a hike they get offensive, I start with no thanks first, then please keep walking, please don't bother me, and finally get away in Spanish. You almost have to push some of them off you.

While eating dinner last night a shoeshine boy wanted to polish my flip flops, and I had to tell the waitress to get rid of him.

Upon finishing a chicken dinner in a sidewalk restaurant with my chica the other night and pushing it aside, a guy came in and scooped up the bones and leftover food from the plate and ran away.

Hustlers also congregate outside the market opposite the park in Boca Chica and pan handle.

In summary I cannot recommend Boca Chica in comparison to Sosua.[/QUOTE]

When I was in Boca Chica this past summer the water was as clear as water. Compare to the beaches in ny and nj I thought it was pretty and just as good as beach. I took a swin on both beaches and were clean then. They must have dump something? The hustling is ridiculous in Boca Chica. I got scammed by a Haitian coconut vendor who sold me a big nice and delicious coconut for $5 dollars or 200 pesos. I thought it was a good price me coming from the USA. The guy even told me a story of how difficult and dangerous profession and how hard it was for him to climb the coconut trees to get them. And that he has fallen a couple of times injuring himself and not being able to work to feed his family when he has fallen. I believed the sucker and felt sorry for him. The next day I went to the capital and got another coconut 25 pesos or less or like 60 cents of a dollar and then I realized the Haitian vendor screw me with the price.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1643607]Nice report however the beach at Boca Chica is a dump and the quality and variety of woman in Sosua far exceeds Boca Chica. Also as you noted there are a lot more aggressive hustlers and Putas in Boca Chica. I have been in Boca Chica for three days now and have had women literally grab me and when I tell them to take a hike they get offensive, I start with no thanks first, then please keep walking, please don't bother me, and finally get away in Spanish. You almost have to push some of them off you.

While eating dinner last night a shoeshine boy wanted to polish my flip flops, and I had to tell the waitress to get rid of him.

Upon finishing a chicken dinner in a sidewalk restaurant with my chica the other night and pushing it aside, a guy came in and scooped up the bones and leftover food from the plate and ran away.

Hustlers also congregate outside the market opposite the park in Boca Chica and pan handle.

In summary I cannot recommend Boca Chica in comparison to Sosua.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Charles, Ronny for the answers. I finally booked my flight. I am landing in Santo Domingo and will flying back through Puerto Plata.

I only used miles for the one way going to SD. I will take Caribe bus to go from SD to Sosua. I just have few more questions:

1. Where should I stay. I need a chica friendly hotel. Close to the action. By close I mean walking distance. I know Charles had mentioned in one of his posts to just visit few hotels and chose. I have narrowed down my search to Casa Cayana and New Garden. My budget for the room is about $70 to 100 a night. Having a good room is important to me (I hate having sex on a crappy bed). But I am going to Sosua for the girls. So easy access is also important. I am targeting 3 to 4 girls a day for about 7 days (not sure if I will be able to keep up LOL). If I am too far from the action I won't be able to meet many girls.

What are the pro's and co's of both hotels. Room pictures of casa cayana look better than the New Garden pictures. And it says on the website that its in a quieter area. Is it because its too far or its just 2 or 3 blocks from the actions.

2. From what I read. All the brothels or similar places are closed. Except Blackbeards and FOD in Puerto Plata.

Are rumba and Classico the best hang out spot at moment? Is there another spot during the day (somewhere I can seat, have a drink and still be able to see many girls to chose from) or any suggestions on the top 5 hang out spot.

3. I speak no Spanish. But I do speak french and I have no preference on skin colors. I am like girls with ass.

Does speaking English and french enough to overcome my challenges with Spanish?

[QUOTE=Durandpaul;1643748]

"I am like girls with ass."



Does speaking English and french enough to overcome my challenges with Spanish?[/QUOTE]Meaty, beaty, big, and bouncy, eh?

I think you had better stick to French, mon ami, to avoid your challenges with English!

Yes, you can get by with French and English. There is a lot of vocabulary overlap between French and Haitian Kreyol, and to a lesser extent with Spanish, but still many words are similar as both are Latin languages. Restaurants have menus in English and sometimes also French, as well as Spanish, or you can just point.

The very first time Tempoecorto showed up in Sosua he just bashed away in a melange of Italian, English, and cartoon Mexican Spanish, plus a few words he had learned on the way from the airport and he was understood just fine. Now he speaks Spanish much better, I should add.

Both the hotels you mentioned are right in the center, so no real difference for practical purposes.

While the bars in the center seem to be in decline, the Rancho Tipico up next to where Passions used to be seems to be doing good business and is expanding. Good place to spend an evening having a few drinks or some food, socializing, dancing and maybe meeting a girl for late night fun. They have girls dancing, sometimes on the bar, for entertainment, and a generally good vibe. I'm not much of a bar person anyway, but it is more fun than those places in the town center.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1643961]The very first time Tempoecorto showed up in Sosua he just bashed away in a melange of Italian, English, and cartoon Mexican Spanish, plus a few words he had learned on the way from the airport and he was understood just fine. Now he speaks Spanish much better, I should add.[/QUOTE]You must have either grimaced or laughed your ass off but in the inimitable Brit style, you kept your thoughts to yourself. On the other hand, I cranked up my Spanish by studying the AP Spanish book at home, one month prior to my first foray into the DR so what do you expect, LOL?

Going back to Paul Durand, he can try hitting the books to get heads up with Spanish and it should be a piece of cake for him (I'd run from anyone who speaks English in Sosua) and of course, try out the Haitians. His score qualitatively speaking, would be far superior with French, sans doute. If you recall there were a couple of Quebecois at the hotel Romanoff. Andre and the other who was going steady with a Haitian and he spoke an incomprehensible idiom but his Haitian love understood him well. I still remember the day when his divorce came through. He was overjoyed that he could stay with his Haitian.

Sosua suites across the street from Rockies are in an excellent location. $60 a night for a 1 bedroom apartment. Security is very good. I stay there all the time.

[QUOTE=Durandpaul;1643748]Thanks Charles, Ronny for the answers. I finally booked my flight. I am landing in Santo Domingo and will flying back through Puerto Plata.

I only used miles for the one way going to SD. I will take Caribe bus to go from SD to Sosua. I just have few more questions:

1. Where should I stay. I need a chica friendly hotel. Close to the action. By close I mean walking distance. I know Charles had mentioned in one of his posts to just visit few hotels and chose. I have narrowed down my search to Casa Cayana and New Garden. My budget for the room is about $70 to 100 a night. Having a good room is important to me (I hate having sex on a crappy bed). But I am going to Sosua for the girls. So easy access is also important. I am targeting 3 to 4 girls a day for about 7 days (not sure if I will be able to keep up LOL). If I am too far from the action I won't be able to meet many girls.

What are the pro's and co's of both hotels. Room pictures of casa cayana look better than the New Garden pictures. And it says on the website that its in a quieter area. Is it because its too far or its just 2 or 3 blocks from the actions.

2. From what I read. All the brothels or similar places are closed. Except Blackbeards and FOD in Puerto Plata.

Are rumba and Classico the best hang out spot at moment? Is there another spot during the day (somewhere I can seat, have a drink and still be able to see many girls to chose from) or any suggestions on the top 5 hang out spot.

3. I speak no Spanish. But I do speak french and I have no preference on skin colors. I am like girls with ass.

Does speaking English and french enough to overcome my challenges with Spanish?[/QUOTE]

" Check the board for the hotel recommendations. "I need a GFF hotel in PP for about a week when I land there. And I met some chicas from there and I can already.

Feel the love. Need hotel that allow me to demonstrate that love to my love muffin. Name a couple please. Cheap.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1644011]You must have either grimaced or laughed your ass off but in the inimitable Brit style, you kept your thoughts to yourself. On the other hand, I cranked up my Spanish by studying the AP Spanish book at home, one month prior to my first foray into the DR so what do you expect, LOL?

Going back to Paul Durand, he can try hitting the books to get heads up with Spanish and it should be a piece of cake for him (I'd run from anyone who speaks English in Sosua) and of course, try out the Haitians. His score qualitatively speaking, would be far superior with French, sans doute. If you recall there were a couple of Quebecois at the hotel Romanoff. Andre and the other who was going steady with a Haitian and he spoke an incomprehensible idiom but his Haitian love understood him well. I still remember the day when his divorce came through. He was overjoyed that he could stay with his Haitian.[/QUOTE]I am practicing with Rosetta Stone. But with only few weeks left I can only learn the basics. I am making myself a cheat sheet and will probably rely on google translate.

Hope I can get a sim card with a data plan once in Sosua. Someone on here posted a while back few Spanish sentences relevant to the hobby with translation in English.

I can't find the post though.

[QUOTE=Lonely566;1644060]" Check the board for the hotel recommendations. "I need a GFF hotel in PP for about a week when I land there. And I met some chicas from there and I can already.

Feel the love. Need hotel that allow me to demonstrate that love to my love muffin. Name a couple please. Cheap.[/QUOTE]At the risk of being repetitious, try Rocky's, New Garden or Casa Cayenna, all within the $40-$60 range and you may be able to negotiate if they are not busy and if you stay more than a couple days.

Not the norm, but if you have the budget, and want a more "normal" vacation in the sun, with other activities like diving, fishing, surfing. You can stay at a higher end condo, villa or resort.

You can then come down to the strip, sit back with a beer, and point and click on anything that catches your eye and take them next door to the ST rooms for about 400 pesos. You can even take your beer with you, or they'll put it on ice.

If you're a serial fucker, this avoids the time and hassle of bringing a series of complete strangers back to your room, and getting them out again, (with the attendant risks) If the chica knows she's going next door for a very ST, her rates will be half, cause you'll both be back on the street in 20 minutes or so.

No awkward walks back to the hotel, no hiding your shit in the room, no ripoffs, no expected gifts, no motoconcho money and no expected propina.

More than covers the cost of the room. During the day, if it's slow, I've had them for as low as 500 pesos. I've even had ones I know for pizza money, if they're hungry enough.

From the bar on the corner I can take three young stunners in less than an hour and still be drinking the same beer in the same bar. On average at least one will be memorable.

So easy!

[QUOTE=Oakie;1644185]At the risk of being repetitious, try Rocky's, New Garden or Casa Cayenna[/QUOTE]Last time I checked, none of those hotels were in Puerto Plata city, which Lonely seems to be asking about (although the correct abbreviation for Puerto Plata city is "Pto Pta").

In Puerto Plata there is little choice. Best of a mediocre selection is Apart-Hotel Lomar, on the Malecon (see recent reviews here). Others are Portofino and Kevin, the latter in the city centre to save on transport. Then there is Field of Dreams, outside the city proper but conveniently situated to visit Sosua and Cabarete. He was talking about renting a bike, so its location should not be a problem for him, and it would be by far the most pleasant stay, though pricier. No compulsion to sample the house chicas, though a few are worth sampling.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1644203]Last time I checked, none of those hotels were in Puerto Plata city, which Lonely seems to be asking about (although the correct abbreviation for Puerto Plata city is "Pto Pta").[/QUOTE]My mistake!

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1644203]Last time I checked, none of those hotels were in Puerto Plata city, which Lonely seems to be asking about (although the correct abbreviation for Puerto Plata city is "Pto Pta").

In Puerto Plata there is little choice. Best of a mediocre selection is Apart-Hotel Lomar, on the Malecon (see recent reviews here). Others are Portofino and Kevin, the latter in the city centre to save on transport. Then there is Field of Dreams, outside the city proper but conveniently situated to visit Sosua and Cabarete. He was talking about renting a bike, so its location should not be a problem for him, and it would be by far the most pleasant stay, though pricier. No compulsion to sample the house chicas, though a few are worth sampling.[/QUOTE]I have spent 12 nights at Lomar in the past month while I furnished my apartment in Puerto Plata. I would highly recommend it for the budget conscious, standard room is 1500 pesos. Lomar also has two rooms with kitchens for 2000-2300 pesos a night depending on length of stay. The beds vary in quality from room to room, my last room the bed sucked, fortunately I was going to FOD for two nights for my divorce party which was off the chain by the way, hahaha. If one wants better accommodations such as a king sized bed with an american quality mattress without spending a fortune then I would stay at FOD but keep in mind that it is a wh0 rehouse so if you are bringing in non pros they might not appreciate it. One place in Puerto Plata that gets overlooked is Castillo Del Ambar, a nice place and all rooms have a basic kitchen, beds so-so, about the same price as a standard room at Lomar,1500 pesos.

Sorry, but I am fussy about beds, after all we spend a lot of time in them, right?

I'll be in Puerto Plata from Nov. 29th. December 20th and then I will return the first week of January and be there until April at least. If anyone wants to meet up on the malecon for a drink during that time feel free to pm Me, first few drinks on me.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1644255]I have spent 12 nights at Lomar in the past month while I furnished my apartment in Puerto Plata. I would highly recommend it for the budget conscious, standard room is 1500 pesos. Lomar also has two rooms with kitchens for 2000-2300 pesos a night depending on length of stay. The beds vary in quality from room to room, my last room the bed sucked, fortunately I was going to FOD for two nights for my divorce party which was off the chain by the way, hahaha. If one wants better accommodations such as a king sized bed with an american quality mattress without spending a fortune then I would stay at FOD but keep in mind that it is a wh0 rehouse so if you are bringing in non pros they might not appreciate it. One place in Puerto Plata that gets overlooked is Castillo Del Ambar, a nice place and all rooms have a basic kitchen, beds so-so, about the same price as a standard room at Lomar,1500 pesos.

Sorry, but I am fussy about beds, after all we spend a lot of time in them, right?.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the good info.

I'm with you on the beds.

Will you have time to drop a little update on FOD, either here, or in the other forum?

Thanks for your post about Puerto Plata. May I respectfully suggest you copy it into that section as well, as it is useful info for guys enquiring about Pto Pta?

I also second Oakie's plea for an update on FoD.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1644255]I have spent 12 nights at Lomar in the past month while I furnished my apartment in Puerto Plata. I would highly recommend it for the budget conscious, standard room is 1500 pesos. Lomar also has two rooms with kitchens for 2000-2300 pesos a night depending on length of stay. The beds vary in quality from room to room, my last room the bed sucked, fortunately I was going to FOD for two nights for my divorce party which was off the chain by the way, hahaha. If one wants better accommodations such as a king sized bed with an american quality mattress without spending a fortune then I would stay at FOD but keep in mind that it is a wh0 rehouse so if you are bringing in non pros they might not appreciate it. One place in Puerto Plata that gets overlooked is Castillo Del Ambar, a nice place and all rooms have a basic kitchen, beds so-so, about the same price as a standard room at Lomar,1500 pesos.

Sorry, but I am fussy about beds, after all we spend a lot of time in them, right?

I'll be in Puerto Plata from Nov. 29th. December 20th and then I will return the first week of January and be there until April at least. If anyone wants to meet up on the malecon for a drink during that time feel free to pm Me, first few drinks on me.[/QUOTE]Where is Castillo Del Ambar located, is it close to Malecon and la Sirena? I have stayed a few times at hotel Lomar.

[QUOTE=Ozzie1451;1644287]Where is Castillo Del Ambar located, is it close to Malecon and la Sirena? I have stayed a few times at hotel Lomar.[/QUOTE]


https://www.facebook.com/CastilloDelAmbar

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1644267]Thanks for your post about Puerto Plata. May I respectfully suggest you copy it into that section as well, as it is useful info for guys enquiring about Pto Pta?

I also second Oakie's plea for an update on FoD.[/QUOTE]Good idea Sir Charles, I will do both momentarily.

I was told by a friend living in Sosua that an all time favorite of mine, Debrah was murdered in Cabarette just a couple of days ago. Any substantiation of this would be appreciated.

Although she was skinny and a drug user and not that pretty she was a great gal in many ways. And a dear friend.

I hope this is a false rumor.

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1643740]When I was in Boca Chica this past summer the water was as clear as water. Compare to the beaches in ny and nj I thought it was pretty and just as good as beach. I took a swin on both beaches and were clean then. They must have dump something? The hustling is ridiculous in Boca Chica. I got scammed by a Haitian coconut vendor who sold me a big nice and delicious coconut for $5 dollars or 200 pesos. I thought it was a good price me coming from the USA. The guy even told me a story of how difficult and dangerous profession and how hard it was for him to climb the coconut trees to get them. And that he has fallen a couple of times injuring himself and not being able to work to feed his family when he has fallen. I believed the sucker and felt sorry for him. The next day I went to the capital and got another coconut 25 pesos or less or like 60 cents of a dollar and then I realized the Haitian vendor screw me with the price.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/tourism/2014/1/20/50285/Sewage-system-RD27M-rebuild-aims-to-clean-up-Boca-Chicas-dirty-beach[/URL]

[QUOTE=Member#2666;1644365]I was told by a friend living in Sosua that an all time favorite of mine, Debrah was murdered in Cabarette just a couple of days ago. Any substantiation of this would be appreciated.

Although she was skinny and a drug user and not that pretty she was a great gal in many ways. And a dear friend.

I hope this is a false rumor.[/QUOTE]It is true. Herman told me she was killed on Saturday.

I wll send you the link later tonight.

[QUOTE=Durandpaul;1644093]I am practicing with Rosetta Stone. But with only few weeks left I can only learn the basics. I am making myself a cheat sheet and will probably rely on google translate.
Hope I can get a sim card with a data plan once in Sosua. Someone on here posted a while back few Spanish sentences relevant to the hobby with translation in English.[/QUOTE]If you are conversant with French, Spanish would be a piece of cake, vocab wise. Besides, with Sosua, you would most likely not need an involved conversation requiring say, the conditional or subjunctive, LOL. No matter what, a bit of conversation in their language helps jell the interaction positively. Personally, I never deal with anyone there speaking English as essentially it makes her a veteran in the trade.

You can get to Orange (a French Phone company) or Claro (a DR company) in Sosua and get a sim card (you would need your passport) and load it with some money for the data plan as well as text etc. You may also need to bring along an unlocked GSM phone unless you want to buy locally.

I cannot help on the Spanish terminology. I recall having seen it but Google Translate should work.

Bon Chance!

Try Duolingo, it's way better than Rosetta Stone. It's a much more intuitive way to learn language; it's free on your Apple or Android device.

[QUOTE=Durandpaul;1644093]I am practicing with Rosetta Stone. But with only few weeks left I can only learn the basics.[/QUOTE]

1. The girls in Thailand are much more submissive and obedient. I never paid Thai girl in BKK or Pattaya until the morning after. In DR, they sometimes ask for the money up front.

2. I don't know where you got the impression that GFE is rare, it's very common.

3. I've found that the girls that are all over you and super aggressive are usually the worst performers.

4. The venues in Sosua are much more like beer bars, if beer bars had nothing but freelancers. It's not comparable to Go-go bars. Sosua is more like the Pattaya beach stroll or a beer bar than a Go-go bar.

5. If you have a fetish for doll-faced, small, white skin girls, with small asses, then you might not like the DR. The Korean and Japanese tourists that go to Pattaya and BKK would not like the DR.

6. And yes, it can be cheaper if you look better. But, 1500 P is the bottom price that I ever negotiate to get. You can get LT for 1500 P. It also depends on how early in the day it is.

7. One tip is to get a local phone or use Whatsapp so that you can get numbers during the day, and just have girls come to your hotel room when you're ready. Sometimes you might see a girl when you're not in the mood, but it's a good way to reserve her for later.

Hope the above helps.

[QUOTE=Muppen1;1643253]Hello my fellow mongers,

Because anybody that who has ever bin to Asia know that the girls are on you like flies on shit. I have read that the normal price for ST is about 1500 p and LT 2500 p. I am not cheap but overpaying is nothing that I am a fan of. Is it cheaper if you are young (I am 34). I have read that the GFE is rare in the DR but alot of guys here have GF's? In general I like clubbing and I am a very laid back guy. Even like the kind of bars I have seen on the pics on this forum. Please guys help a fellow monger whit some info.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Oakie;1644201]You can then come down to the strip, sit back with a beer, and point and click on anything that catches your eye and take them next door to the ST rooms for about 400 pesos. You can even take your beer with you, or they'll put it on ice.[/QUOTE]Where are these ST rooms you speak of? I only know about Dulce Secreto on the road to Cabarete.

[QUOTE=Member#2666;1644365]I was told by a friend living in Sosua that an all time favorite of mine, Debrah was murdered in Cabarette just a couple of days ago. Any substantiation of this would be appreciated.

Although she was skinny and a drug user and not that pretty she was a great gal in many ways. And a dear friend.

I hope this is a false rumor.[/QUOTE]Here is the link:

[URL]http://detrasdelrumor.com.do/index.php/2012-08-08-22-36-42/regionales/5554-no-se-conoce-a-ciencia-cierta-la-identidad-de-mujer-muerta-en-cabarete-puede-ser-asesinato-advertimos-imagenes-fuertes-en-contenido[/URL]

I met her at one of Herman's parties. She seemed like a sweet girl. I'm not sure what and why this happened to her, I find it quite sad.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1644434]Here is the link:

[URL]http://detrasdelrumor.com.do/index.php/2012-08-08-22-36-42/regionales/5554-no-se-conoce-a-ciencia-cierta-la-identidad-de-mujer-muerta-en-cabarete-puede-ser-asesinato-advertimos-imagenes-fuertes-en-contenido[/URL]

I met her at one of Herman's parties. She seemed like a sweet girl. I'm not sure what and why this happened to her, I find it quite sad.[/QUOTE]Is there a normal picture of her?

Made it to Sosua last night. First time here on a Thursday night wasn't bad. I think the chicas outnumber the guys 4 to 1. I got up with Surfer pussy whipped ass on the strip. He dragged me into Rumbas and into the little Haitian joint. We walk around flirting. Surfer is a tiny hiney magnet. Surfer was 4 days in boca chica. I think the hustlers and lowers selection got underneath his skin. Rumbas had a decent crowd. The chicas in classicalo looked on point. There were many new faces. The prices are down 1000 tln I feel like I was cheating then. Big Mama's is trying to promote her spot. I have to take my hat off to the DJ. I never made it to the after hour spot. Posted up outside the club with everyone else. I don't think the casino does business well on Thursday. I met a doctor I'm going to visit her today. but first I'm going to get a morning snack. I have four on standby. Will keep you guys posted.

[QUOTE=KConstant;1644429]7. One tip is to get a local phone or use Whatsapp so that you can get numbers during the day, and just have girls come to your hotel room when you're ready. Sometimes you might see a girl when you're not in the mood, but it's a good way to reserve her for later.[/QUOTE]Good and useful pointers from clearly an experienced traveler. I do not know how GFE is defined (is it sex without condom or kissing or whatever?) but young or old, the money is always a part of the equation in Sosua.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1644523]Is there a normal picture of her?[/QUOTE]Keep in mind that there is someone around the area (most likely) that kills.

Just because her lifestyle may attract this type of person, doesn't mean he or she isn't capable of doing the same to one of us.

Be careful out there and have fun.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1644545]Made it to Sosua last night. First time here on a Thursday night wasn't bad. I think the chicas outnumber the guys 4 to 1. I got up with Surfer pussy whipped ass on the strip. He dragged me into Rumbas and into the little Haitian joint. We walk around flirting. Surfer is a tiny hiney magnet. Surfer was 4 days in boca chica. I think the hustlers and lowers selection got underneath his skin. Rumbas had a decent crowd. The chicas in classicalo looked on point. There were many new faces. The prices are down 1000 tln I feel like I was cheating then. Big Mama's is trying to promote her spot. I have to take my hat off to the DJ. I never made it to the after hour spot. Posted up outside the club with everyone else. I don't think the casino does business well on Thursday. I met a doctor I'm going to visit her today. but first I'm going to get a morning snack. I have four on standby. Will keep you guys posted.[/QUOTE]After 5 days in the armpit of the DR which is Boca Chica it's nice to be back in Sosua. The only thing good that Boca Chica has to offer is some good Italian food and a bunch of skanky pyschos.

Last night the Strip was buzzing with all sorts of variety. I made the mistake of staring at a few petite spinner girls and the next thing you know I'm being followed around, kind of like having a shadow in the dark until I politely told the Chicas I wasn't available. Grownman is a "mid size" kind of, but not exactly " big butts ahoy" kind of guy. To his credit he doesn't like the ones with implants.

As observed by Grownman, the girls are very desperate with Christmas coming so it is a buyers market.

Had a nice session this morning at Playa Encuentro (Hideaway Beach) surfing and have the Haitian wife coming over at 5 PM. Had a bad ass Nympo in Boca Chica stir up the pot with my Haitian squeeze here that I had to profusely apologize to for being with a Dominican nut job so will be on damage control tonight.

[QUOTE=KConstant;1644432]Where are these ST rooms you speak of? I only know about Dulce Secreto on the road to Cabarete.[/QUOTE]Because of the risk of bringing unwanted publicity to a thriving facility, (although it's been named here before) pm me and I'll give you the location.

But all the locals within half a mile of the strip know it (there's two actually) and its right next door or across the street from most of the popular bars. All the chicas know it.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1637784]I went by Passions today and the door was open and numerous contractors working inside so something is getting ready to pop there, I asked a guy that was carrying in a piece of PVC pipe what was up and he told me he didn't know, that he was just a plumber. I'll check again later in the week.[/QUOTE]Okay so here is the latest on "Passions". Me and a friend of mine went to the little bar that Peter's wife Mariella is running near Passions and sat and talked to her. She said that she will be reopening Passions within a month and it will be the same as before without the rooms. She said Peter was to arrive back in the DR this week. I've heard this before but they are in fact doing remodeling in the club and this time the info came from the horses mouth albeit a Dominican mouth so take from this what you may. The name is changing also but I can't remember what it is as I was under the influence a bit at that time. I'll go by again in a couple weeks.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1644621]Because of the risk of bringing unwanted publicity to a thriving facility, (although it's been named here before) pm me and I'll give you the location.

But all the locals within half a mile of the strip know it (there's two actually) and its right next door or across the street from most of the popular bars. All the chicas know it.[/QUOTE]Another clue to the location is look for an establishment on the same side of the street as Classicos that has rooms in the back!

Let us know when you figure it out.

[QUOTE=KConstant;1644429]1. The girls in Thailand are much more submissive and obedient. I never paid Thai girl in BKK or Pattaya until the morning after. In DR, they sometimes ask for the money up front.

2. I don't know where you got the impression that GFE is rare, it's very common.

3. I've found that the girls that are all over you and super aggressive are usually the worst performers.

4. The venues in Sosua are much more like beer bars, if beer bars had nothing but freelancers. It's not comparable to Go-go bars. Sosua is more like the Pattaya beach stroll or a beer bar than a Go-go bar.

5. If you have a fetish for doll-faced, small, white skin girls, with small asses, then you might not like the DR. The Korean and Japanese tourists that go to Pattaya and BKK would not like the DR.

6. And yes, it can be cheaper if you look better. But, 1500 P is the bottom price that I ever negotiate to get. You can get LT for 1500 P. It also depends on how early in the day it is.

7. One tip is to get a local phone or use Whatsapp so that you can get numbers during the day, and just have girls come to your hotel room when you're ready. Sometimes you might see a girl when you're not in the mood, but it's a good way to reserve her for later.

Hope the above helps.[/QUOTE]NOomy friend I like a big booty rather then a skinny ass type. I rather go for a thicker latina then for a thai girl any day of the week. Its just that in thailand I got it a couple of times for free. And I know that its not beacuse I look desant. Its beacuse they want to come to europe. I was just wondering if DR was almost the same as pattaya. I only speak a little spanish but I do speak thai. Learnd it while I was in a realationship whit a half thai in sweden. (I live there). The friends that do know always ask me why I like mongering. And to be honest I like it, plain and simple. Its fun its easy its no feelings and crap. I don't judge peapole and weather they are mongers or not every man lives his life the way that suites them. I'm not in to the dollface I like women for what the are. And usualy I date older women. (no laughing guys I don't mean 50 year olds). I thank all you monger brothers for all the info you have given me and I hope to see you in sosua in the near by future. Beers on me.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1644545]Made it to Sosua last night. First time here on a Thursday night wasn't bad. I think the chicas outnumber the guys 4 to 1. I got up with Surfer pussy whipped ass on the strip. He dragged me into Rumbas and into the little Haitian joint. We walk around flirting. Surfer is a tiny hiney magnet. Surfer was 4 days in boca chica. I think the hustlers and lowers selection got underneath his skin. Rumbas had a decent crowd. The chicas in classicalo looked on point. There were many new faces. The prices are down 1000 tln I feel like I was cheating then. Big Mama's is trying to promote her spot. I have to take my hat off to the DJ. I never made it to the after hour spot. Posted up outside the club with everyone else. I don't think the casino does business well on Thursday. I met a doctor I'm going to visit her today. but first I'm going to get a morning snack. I have four on standby. Will keep you guys posted.[/QUOTE]Grownman1,

What's the name of the Haitian joint you mentioned. And how far is it from Rumbas?

[QUOTE=Muppen1;1644668]Its just that in Thailand I got it a couple of times for free. And I know that its not because I look decent. Its because they want to come to Europe. I was just wondering if DR was almost the same as Pattaya. [/QUOTE]Just outside of Soi Cowboy, I picked up a local vendor / freelancer and had her come with me to see the temples in Ayutthaya. She was my tour guide and translator, folded my clothes when I needed to pack, escorted me in the taxi to the airport. It was high quality service for a girl that I just picked up off the street. For a couple of days of companionship, I gave her about $100. I paid her $50 up front, and we didn't discuss cash again until I was about to go through security at the airport.

No companionship is free. However, in my opinion it's much easier to find that level of service in Thailand. DR women are more needy for money, and more money focused. It would be cheaper for you to just fuck them and forget them. They are much more manipulative than Thais even though it's a variation on the same game in both countries.

Saw this chica in Classicos last night. The tallest in the place, easily 6 feet in flats, light brown complexioned with hair down to her back. Spent most of her two hours there standing close to the entrance dancing provocatively and fiddling on her iphone. Would not give me the time of day, or any other bloke for that matter. Anyone was there, saw her and knows her story?

[QUOTE=Turgid;1644906]Saw this chica in Classicos last night. The tallest in the place, easily 6 feet in flats, light brown complexioned with hair down to her back. Spent most of her two hours there standing close to the entrance dancing provocatively and fiddling on her iphone. Would not give me the time of day, or any other bloke for that matter. Anyone was there, saw her and knows her story?[/QUOTE]I was there last night and I saw that. The top honeys mostly ignore the men and negotiations start around 4000 p. If their competition is so fierce why do they cop such attitudes in the club?

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1644545]Made it to Sosua last night. First time here on a Thursday night wasn't bad. I think the chicas outnumber the guys 4 to 1. I got up with Surfer pussy whipped ass on the strip. He dragged me into Rumbas and into the little Haitian joint. We walk around flirting. Surfer is a tiny hiney magnet. Surfer was 4 days in boca chica. I think the hustlers and lowers selection got underneath his skin. Rumbas had a decent crowd. The chicas in classicalo looked on point. There were many new faces. The prices are down 1000 tln I feel like I was cheating then. Big Mama's is trying to promote her spot. I have to take my hat off to the DJ. I never made it to the after hour spot. Posted up outside the club with everyone else. I don't think the casino does business well on Thursday. I met a doctor I'm going to visit her today. but first I'm going to get a morning snack. I have four on standby. Will keep you guys posted.[/QUOTE]Yeah, Classicos didn't get hopping until around 1 am early Friday. The chicas were a bit standoffish though. Not all but I'd say half were.

On what site can I meet Dominican girls. It would be nice to chat with some of them before my trip. I read about cupid, is this the best site and what's the full name of the site?

[QUOTE=Turgid;1644906]Saw this chica in Classicos last night. The tallest in the place, easily 6 feet in flats, light brown complexioned with hair down to her back. Spent most of her two hours there standing close to the entrance dancing provocatively and fiddling on her iphone. Would not give me the time of day, or any other bloke for that matter. Anyone was there, saw her and knows her story?[/QUOTE]When you say she didn't give you the time of day, what did she do when you approached her, how did you approach her? I don't think I've never had a girl that didn't at least say Hello, after I did, how is she supposed to get customers, I'm sure she wasn't standing there enjoying the ambiance.

[QUOTE=KConstant;1644750]DR women are more needy for money, and more money focused. It would be cheaper for you to just fuck them and forget them. They are much more manipulative than Thais even though it's a variation on the same game in both countries.[/QUOTE]WTF? Doesn't seem like you know Thailand very well if you think Domincanas have something over them. Everyday foreigners in Thailand kill themselves (most by jumping off a balcony) because a Thai woman has swindled them out of their life savings. I never hear that happening in DR.

"Pol. Maj. Gen. Wichian said witnesses told police that the Briton was an Oxford graduate who came to Thailand "many years ago" and fell in love with a Thai girl at a bar in Chiang Mai. The woman then convinced him to invest 10 million baht (US $300,000) in her fabricated "plan" to open an elephant-breeding business in the region, Pol. Maj. Gen. Wichian said. "

The story is that she told him that he bought the place and told the people who owned the place to let him work there as a volunteer. (Anyone can be a volunteer at the place.) So he is working everyday for free at the elephant reserve thinking it is his shit while the girl disappears with his loot. Does anyone want to buy swamp land?

[URL]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/776578-defrauded-briton-found-dead-in-chiang-mai-guesthouse/?utm_source=newsletter-20141115-0752&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news[/URL]

[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c_MSAve-t4[/URL]

[QUOTE=Durandpaul;1644695]Grownman1,

What's the name of the Haitian joint you mentioned. And how far is it from Rumbas?[/QUOTE]Grownman is probably occupied with some buxbom booty chica, the name of the place was Bar Central across the street and down from Rumbas about 50 meters.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1644951]When you say she didn't give you the time of day, what did she do when you approached her, how did you approach her? I don't think I've never had a girl that didn't at least say Hello, after I did, how is she supposed to get customers, I'm sure she wasn't standing there enjoying the ambiance.[/QUOTE]I went up to her, asked her name in Spanish and she ignored me. I saw at least one other dude approach her and she turned her head away from him. Most guys were ignoring her, though, so I thought there might be a story about her, gangsta's girl, etc. She spent a lot of time on her iphone, she was quite well known for a lot of chicas went up to her to chat. She left abruptly around 2. 00 am. I would have had no problem paying more for her. If she is a pro she's one of the hottest I've ever seen. She'the blow away chicas in Centaurus in Rio or FKK Oase in Frankfurt, from my experience. Anyone who was in Classicos last night (Friday night) could not have missed her, she was wearing a sundress about six inches above her knee, just my type, light brown, curly hair below her shoulders, at least 6 ft tall, great body, great face, slight tummy, however, and was standing near the entrance.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1644968]WTF? Doesn't seem like you know Thailand very well if you think Domincanas have something over them. Everyday foreigners in Thailand kill themselves (most by jumping off a balcony) because a Thai woman has swindled them out of their life savings. I never hear that happening in DR.

"Pol. Maj. Gen. Wichian said witnesses told police that the Briton was an Oxford graduate who came to Thailand "many years ago" and fell in love with a Thai girl at a bar in Chiang Mai. The woman then convinced him to invest 10 million baht (US $300,000) in her fabricated "plan" to open an elephant-breeding business in the region, Pol. Maj. Gen. Wichian said. "

The story is that she told him that he bought the place and told the people who owned the place to let him work there as a volunteer. (Anyone can be a volunteer at the place.) So he is working everyday for free at the elephant reserve thinking it is his shit while the girl disappears with his loot. Does anyone want to buy swamp land?

[URL]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/776578-defrauded-briton-found-dead-in-chiang-mai-guesthouse/?utm_source=newsletter-20141115-0752&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news[/URL]

[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c_MSAve-t4[/URL][/QUOTE]I spend a lot of time in Thailand and the stories of fools and their money parting are numerous. Whether in Thailand or the DR, it always seems to start after the guys says three words: "My Girl's Different".

[QUOTE=TellAll;1645015]I spend a lot of time in Thailand and the stories of fools and their money parting are numerous. Whether in Thailand or the DR, it always seems to start after the guys says three words: "My Girl's Different".[/QUOTE]No girl is different. Money talks bullshit walks. There is no such thing as free. Because dinner movie and all of that other thing cost. Every monger brother knows this. And lets help every fellow monger out there. There are no different hookers we all pay we all enjoy.

Hi,

I read before that Boca Chica and Santo Domingo are not the places they where since the bust up and Sosua is or was the place for the action.

Is this still the case? Or has it picked up over there?

Whereabouts on Sosua is the best place to find bars night club for evening time action.

And where is best to find day time beach action; can you still finds 8's and 9's walking along the beach looking for action in Sosua?

[QUOTE=Turgid;1645007]I went up to her, asked her name in Spanish and she ignored me. I saw at least one other dude approach her and she turned her head away from him. Most guys were ignoring her, though, so I thought there might be a story about her, gangsta's girl, etc. She spent a lot of time on her iphone, she was quite well known for a lot of chicas went up to her to chat. She left abruptly around 2. 00 am. I would have had no problem paying more for her. If she is a pro she's one of the hottest I've ever seen. She'the blow away chicas in Centaurus in Rio or FKK Oase in Frankfurt, from my experience. Anyone who was in Classicos last night (Friday night) could not have missed her, she was wearing a sundress about six inches above her knee, just my type, light brown, curly hair below her shoulders, at least 6 ft tall, great body, great face, slight tummy, however, and was standing near the entrance.[/QUOTE]I don't understand did you meet her in Classicos? Because if you did Classicos is Puta Central, All the Girls are Fair Game, The only time a working girl refuses a monger is if.

Is if word on the street is his hygiene is very bad, or he know as a cheap charlie / or after a session refuses to pay. But at the end of the day life continues. There's always.

Going to be another sexy 18 year old puta coming into the game, so don't even sweat these putas.

[QUOTE=Muppen1;1645038]No girl is different. .[/QUOTE]If that were the case, it sure would take a lot of fun out of the trip.

Like restaurants, you can pay a lot for crap food, or get good food cheap if you look around.

Steak or hamburger. It's all there.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1644968]WTF? Doesn't seem like you know Thailand very well if you think Domincanas have something over them. Everyday foreigners in Thailand kill themselves (most by jumping off a balcony) because a Thai woman has swindled them out of their life savings. I never hear that happening in DR.

"Pol. Maj. Gen. Wichian said witnesses told police that the Briton was an Oxford graduate who came to Thailand "many years ago" and fell in love with a Thai girl at a bar in Chiang Mai. The woman then convinced him to invest 10 million baht (US $300,000) in her fabricated "plan" to open an elephant-breeding business in the region, Pol. Maj. Gen. Wichian said. "

The story is that she told him that he bought the place and told the people who owned the place to let him work there as a volunteer. (Anyone can be a volunteer at the place.) So he is working everyday for free at the elephant reserve thinking it is his shit while the girl disappears with his loot. Does anyone want to buy swamp land?

[URL]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/776578-defrauded-briton-found-dead-in-chiang-mai-guesthouse/?utm_source=newsletter-20141115-0752&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news[/URL]

[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c_MSAve-t4[/URL][/QUOTE]Damn! That's a con that would even make Joseph Weil a*k*a "The Yellow Kid" blush! That took balls, yet this chick doesn't have any, LOL!

The saying never gets old: "A fool and his money are soon parted. ".

[QUOTE=Biggins230;1645040]Hi,

I read before that Boca Chica and Santo Domingo are not the places they where since the bust up and Sosua is or was the place for the action.

Is this still the case? Or has it picked up over there?

Whereabouts on Sosua is the best place to find bars night club for evening time action.

And where is best to find day time beach action; can you still finds 8's and 9's walking along the beach looking for action in Sosua?[/QUOTE]You can find all of your answers and more in a section entitled "RTFF": "Read The Fucking Forum!"

The difference between Friday and Thursday night Sosua is 50% more chica and 80% more guys. But there were enough chicas to not disappoint anyone. With that being said Thursday will be my absolute Sosua night no brainier. The talent and was up to par and to selections were endless. I met a lesbian that had Western Union tattoo on her arm. Western Union tattoo on her arm! She said she only had sex with women. She gave me a compliment. I kicked it with her for entertainment and she pointed out all the chicas that are bringing her money. I think she liked the idea that we kicked together as her chicas walked by. She says her girl gives her anywhere between 100 and 200 a week.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1645007]I went up to her, asked her name in Spanish and she ignored me. I saw at least one other dude approach her and she turned her head away from him. Most guys were ignoring her, though, so I thought there might be a story about her, gangsta's girl, etc. She spent a lot of time on her iphone, she was quite well known for a lot of chicas went up to her to chat. She left abruptly around 2. 00 am.[/QUOTE]Either way, you probably saved yourself from a lousy lay. Or maybe she was there looking over her operations like GrownMan's friend:

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1645242]I met a lesbian that had Western Union tattoo on her arm. Western Union tattoo on her arm! She said she only had sex with women. I kicked it with her for entertainment and she pointed out all the chicas that are bringing her money. She says her girl gives her anywhere between 100 and 200 a week.[/QUOTE]

I've been wanting to check out Sosua again, but the place seems like too much work now. It's enough that you had to worry about a chica blackmailing you with the threat of calling the cops; now you have to try to figure out the ones that are hanging around but not selling pussy either, lol. Imagine that: you see the hottest babe on the strip and you walk over to talk to her and she ignores you. That's something that happens to you in a night club in the US.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1644912]Yeah, Classicos didn't get hopping until around 1 am early Friday. The chicas were a bit standoffish though. Not all but I'd say half were.[/QUOTE]

Never would have happened during the 2008-2012 era of my Sosua travels. Seems like the new breed of Sosua pros are on some other shit.

Two constants that seems to remain: the Haitian females still seem to be the go to for better attitudes and service.

AND

If you want to experience a really great time with a Dominicana, don't meet her in Sosua, lol.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1644641]Okay so here is the latest on "Passions". Me and a friend of mine went to the little bar that Peter's wife Mariella is running near Passions and sat and talked to her. She said that she will be reopening Passions within a month and it will be the same as before without the rooms. She said Peter was to arrive back in the DR this week. I've heard this before but they are in fact doing remodeling in the club and this time the info came from the horses mouth albeit a Dominican mouth so take from this what you may. The name is changing also but I can't remember what it is as I was under the influence a bit at that time. I'll go by again in a couple weeks.[/QUOTE]That's funny. She told me exactly. And I mean exactly. The same thing in March when I was there. Oh well, I don't like the fishbowl scene anyway.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1644909]I was there last night and I saw that. The top honeys mostly ignore the men and negotiations start around 4000 p. If their competition is so fierce why do they cop such attitudes in the club?[/QUOTE]This is where you have to stop listening to other posters about how the rates are "always" 1000-2000ST and 2000-2500 TLN. These guys are not versed in "Free Market Capitalism" and wouldn't know what it was or how it works if it spin-kicked them in the ass!

Those "top honeys" know they are more sexually attractive than the other average Sosua chicas there. A "Kim Kardashian" chica can and will demand more than the standard asking price because there will always be a buyer looking for her services and willing to pay a premium:

[QUOTE=Turgid;1645007]I would have had no problem paying [b]more[/b] for her. If she is a pro she's one of the hottest I've ever seen.[/QUOTE]There are no set "chica rates" written on a wall in Sosua that all chicas selling ass have to abide by. They are merely guidelines that we mongers set based on experience. But there will always be those "outlier" type Kim Kardashian chicas that can and get whatever they are asking for.

It's really that simple. If you are there dressed like a "bargain hunting sex tourist" (like the majority of us), then she most likely will ignore those guys since they are just going to either balk at what she is asking for, or waste her time trying to haggle her down to a lower price.

But the "weekend ballers" that roll through Sosua and overpay for everything will have her ear. They will trip over one another trying to get to her and pay $100+ without thinking twice about it.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1645262]Either way, you probably saved yourself from a lousy lay. Or maybe she was there looking over her operations like GrownMan's friend:



I've been wanting to check out Sosua again, but the place seems like too much work now. It's enough that you had to worry about a chica blackmailing you with the threat of calling the cops; now you have to try to figure out the ones that are hanging around but not selling pussy either, lol. Imagine that: you see the hottest babe on the strip and you walk over to talk to her and she ignores you. That's something that happens to you in a night club in the US.



Never would have happened during the 2008-2012 era of my Sosua travels. Seems like the new breed of Sosua pros are on some other shit.

Two constants that seems to remain: the Haitian females still seem to be the go to for better attitudes and service.

AND

If you want to experience a really great time with a Dominicana, don't meet her in Sosua, lol.[/QUOTE]I am new to Sosua as of 2014 but I've made several trips so I am not a complete newbie anymore (just a kinda newbie, LOL).

Anyway the difference from springtime to now is stark. The 8's, 9's and 10's seemed to have copped major attitude and I really don't know why.

This weekend I felt like I was in any club in the States while at Classico.

Hey, if the fine young females just want to be out looking great and hanging with their amigas there isn't anything wrong with that, I suppose.

But if there is so much attitude towards the fellas now I guess that means their Western Union income must have increased a great deal over the summer, right?

And regarding the Haitian chicas...I still RARELY see them interacting with non-Germans on PC. I see a few hot ones but I'm not German so they just keep on walking.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1645297]
Hey, if the fine young females just want to be out looking great and hanging with their amigas there isn't anything wrong with that, I suppose.
[/QUOTE]Trust me bro, chicas do not come all the way to Sousa to do that, LOL. Chicas are in Sosua / Sosua discos for one thing only: picking up foreigners, or (now it seems) to collect money from their chicas who pick up foreigners, LOL.

If they want to "be out looking great and hanging with their amigas" then they do that back in the barrio.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1645297]
And regarding the Haitian chicas...I still RARELY see them interacting with non-Germans on PC. I see a few hot ones but I'm not German so they just keep on walking.[/QUOTE]

If you see one you want, then approach her. I am far from German-looking (not even the same skin shade) and I have lost count of how many Haitian chicas I have banged. They probably do not bother approaching you because most of the guys coming to have the light-skinned Dominicana on their mind. Anything not light-skinned to them is considered Haitian (even the dark-skinned Dominicanas).

Just show a Haitian female you are interested and you will not be disappointed!

[QUOTE=Turgid;1645007]I went up to her, asked her name in Spanish and she ignored me. I saw at least one other dude approach her and she turned her head away from him. Most guys were ignoring her, though, so I thought there might be a story about her, gangsta's girl, etc. She spent a lot of time on her iphone, she was quite well known for a lot of chicas went up to her to chat. She left abruptly around 2. 00 am. I would have had no problem paying more for her. If she is a pro she's one of the hottest I've ever seen. She'the blow away chicas in Centaurus in Rio or FKK Oase in Frankfurt, from my experience. Anyone who was in Classicos last night (Friday night) could not have missed her, she was wearing a sundress about six inches above her knee, just my type, light brown, curly hair below her shoulders, at least 6 ft tall, great body, great face, slight tummy, however, and was standing near the entrance.[/QUOTE]She was in super bunny mode. Like Olkool said the chica is either playing the hunter or the bunny role. Sounds like this chica was looking for the ultimate come up and she can be choosy because she's been eating well. This is why I like my chicas without the rims and special effects.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1645292]This is where you have to stop listening to other posters about how the rates are "always" 1000-2000ST and 2000-2500 TLN. These guys are not versed in "Free Market Capitalism" and wouldn't know what it was or how it works if it spin-kicked them in the ass!

Those "top honeys" know they are more sexually attractive than the other average Sosua chicas there. A "Kim Kardashian" chica can and will demand more than the standard asking price because there will always be a buyer looking for her services and willing to pay a premium:

There are no set "chica rates" written on a wall in Sosua that all chicas selling ass have to abide by. They are merely guidelines that we mongers set based on experience. But there will always be those "outlier" type Kim Kardashian chicas that can and get whatever they are asking for.

It's really that simple. If you are there dressed like a "bargain hunting sex tourist" (like the majority of us), then she most likely will ignore those guys since they are just going to either balk at what she is asking for, or waste her time trying to haggle her down to a lower price.

But the "weekend ballers" that roll through Sosua and overpay for everything will have her ear. They will trip over one another trying to get to her and pay $100+ without thinking twice about it.[/QUOTE]You have a point here.

I was sitting in Winners Circle watching the Merengue / Classicos street action the other night and I noticed something for the first time:

Those true hotties that don't even come out until around midnight post up in Winners Circle or nearby and watch the action like the rest of us.

The only time these chicas peel their eyes off of their phones or otherwise come alive is when a group of "ballers" are strolling by with those ubiquitous towels over shoulders.

At first I thought it was because the chicas are just physically attracted to these hip-hop thug types (and I don't mean to say they are actual thugs. I see them just chilling and I know they are cool. I mean the rap star uniform look they tend to go for). But then it occurred to me that the reason these fine chicas try to ONLY get the baller's attention is because these blokes will gladly drop 4000 peso short time for these chicas.

But I also hear them tell of the whole "no more than 1500 peso" rule and that they never break it, even with the top chicas.

So is it that they are quietly negotiating $100 and more with the finest girls then bragging to their buddies that they only paid $45?

[QUOTE=Lou32;1645306]
But I also hear them tell of the whole "no more than 1500 peso" rule and that they never break it, even with the top chicas.

So is it that they are quietly negotiating $100 and more with the finest girls then bragging to their buddies that they only paid $45?[/QUOTE]My friend, it goes all the way back to that old saying: "If it sounds to good to be true, then it usually is (too good to be true). "

Think about it: A guy bragging that he got a 9 or 10 for $45. He tells you "maybe because I'm young, or she thought that I was attractive. " But if she thought though those things about him, then why would he have to pay ANY money to begin with?

Guys have and will ALWAYS embellish details to make it seem they are bigger and badder than the next guy.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1645306]

I was sitting in Winners Circle watching the Merengue / Classicos street action the other night and I noticed something for the first time:

Those true hotties that don't even come out until around midnight post up in Winners Circle or nearby and watch the action like the rest of us.

[/QUOTE]Good observation for a Sosua newbie. I have mentioned this many times in my posts in this forum: the last time I was in Sosua back in May 2012 I was hanging around Merengue Bar (which is downstair from Classicos) and I noticed that all the very hot chicas did not walk the strip to get to Classicos: they took a motochoncho right up to the entrance. You did not see any of these chicas trolling around Sosua during the day. As my man GrownMan says: these "hotties" were looking for the big payout. Not these 1000,1500, 2000 quick tricks here and there. All she needs is one or two guys to pay her 4000 for a quick fuck and she is done for the night.

He sums it it very well here:

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1645305]She was in super bunny mode. Like Olkool said the chica is either playing the hunter or the bunny role. Sounds like this chica was looking for the ultimate come up and she can be choosy because she's been eating well. This is why I like my chicas without the rims and special effects.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1645299]Trust me bro, chicas do not come all the way to Sousa to do that, LOL. Chicas are in Sosua / Sosua discos for one thing only: picking up foreigners, or (now it seems) to collect money from their chicas who pick up foreigners, LOL.

If they want to "be out looking great and hanging with their amigas" then they do that back in the barrio.



If you see one you want, then approach her. I am far from German-looking (not even the same skin shade) and I have lost count of how many Haitian chicas I have banged. They probably do not bother approaching you because most of the guys coming to have the light-skinned Dominicana on their mind. Anything not light-skinned to them is considered Haitian (even the dark-skinned Dominicanas).

Just show a Haitian female you are interested and you will not be disappointed![/QUOTE]I can't argue with you since all of our experiences are different from one another's but, yeah, a lot of those chicas (especially after midnight) are copping attitude. I'm not saying that talking to them won't loosen them up, I am only talking about very first impressions.

If I see a chica completely ignoring ALL dudes and just hangin' with her homegirls for an hour or so in Classico then I can't but help to think that she is just out to have fun with her girls and picking up a dude / some cash is secondary. I'm not hating on that if true but I can see that back in the States. No need to come down to Sosua for that.

My fear is that even after talking to the sour faced (but hot) chicas, buying them a few drinks and dancing with them for a while you will be dealing with an all business chica back at the room who is all "leche, papi rapido" and keeping an eye on the exit.

In my limited Sosua experience, the chicas who easily return your smile and clearly show other signs of interest have been the ones who don't do that infamous personality flip back in the room. They started out fun at Rumba or Classico and the fun continued at the hotel.

Look, I admit the problem may be me. I tend to just hang back when I'm out and I don't play the "look at me!! Party Guy" role I see dudes take on after a couple of drinks.

I speak only a little Spanish but I make sure my hygiene is top notch, my clothes clean and sharp and when I see a chica I like I smile and approach so I don't think I am spreading any negativity their way when I am on the prowl (at least I hope not).

So I can only surmise that SOME (not all) of the 8's, 9's and 10's DO have attitude and will reject most gringos unless they see a true payday (one pop, $100).

As I've said, I am still newbie-ish so I'd love to hear some input from you 5 and 10 year vets on the attitude of the chicas now vs. A couple of years ago in Sosua.

And I still love Sosua and have a lot of fun when I'm there so this isn't a knock on the scene. Just curious about the attitudes of some of the real honeys there.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1645313]I can't argue with you since all of our experiences are different from one another's but, yeah, a lot of those chicas (especially after midnight) are copping attitude. I'm not saying that talking to them won't loosen them up, I am only talking about very first impressions.

If I see a chica completely ignoring ALL dudes and just hangin' with her homegirls for an hour or so in Classico then I can't but help to think that she is just out to have fun with her girls and picking up a dude / some cash is secondary.
[/QUOTE]True, nothing wrong with that observation. And you could be right because it could very well be that those ones you see not talking to any guys may have already made all the pesos they need for the night, and are just their to support their friends who are still working (trying to find clients), and/or to have a good time.

I was just pointing out that 90% of the chicas in Sosua come from other parts of the island, so it is very rare that they would travel all the way to Sousa just to party and not sell ass.

And I'd love to sample that famous Haitian pussy I've heard about but I have to get over the fear that the frowning Haitian chica I drag back to the room will provide quick and poor quality service while there.

Love Sosua but one area where AC completely crushes Sosua is the outward level of fun of the women. You don't have to drag out a smile from the girls over there but unfortunately the damned country is so far away!

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1645319]True, nothing wrong with that observation. And you could be right because it could very well be that those ones you see not talking to any guys may have already made all the pesos they need for the night, and are just their to support their friends who are still working (trying to find clients), and/or to have a good time.

I was just pointing out that 90% of the chicas in Sosua come from other parts of the island, so it is very rare that they would travel all the way to Sousa just to party and not sell ass.[/QUOTE]No, I hear ya man. Point well taken.

By the way, so I don't sound like too much of a whiner, I came up on a GREAT chica this weekend after seeing an ocean of "nose in the air, too cool for the room" chicas so to anyone reading this who has never been down I don't want to make it seem like you won't find a good match. You'll find hundreds of them! .

You got it twisted. Haitian women are grateful for your money. They have a harder time getting customer so often give the very best service. I have never been disappointed by a Haitian lover. They try harder.

You got it twisted

[QUOTE=Lou32;1645322]And I'd love to sample that famous Haitian pussy I've heard about but I have to get over the fear that the frowning Haitian chica I drag back to the room will provide quick and poor quality service while there.

Love Sosua but one area where AC completely crushes Sosua is the outward level of fun of the women. You don't have to drag out a smile from the girls over there but unfortunately the damned country is so far away![/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=OldKool;1645354]You got it twisted. Haitian women are grateful for your money. They have a harder time getting customer so often give the very best service. I have never been disappointed by a Haitian lover. They try harder.

You got it twisted

.[/QUOTE]No, I don't have it twisted because I am not arguing that their performance is sub-par. I am saying that I have yet to see a Haitian on PC give a second look to ANYONE who was not speaking German. I was looking at the action at Bar Central three nights ago and there were only two types of people there: Germans and Haitians. They seem to have a thing going on and I have no problem with that at all.

If they do, in fact, interact with non-German mongers then they hide it very well out on the street.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1645367]No, I don't have it twisted because I am not arguing that their performance is sub-par. I am saying that I have yet to see a Haitian on PC give a second look to ANYONE who was not speaking German. I was looking at the action at Bar Central three nights ago and there were only two types of people there: Germans and Haitians. They seem to have a thing going on and I have no problem with that at all.

If they do, in fact, interact with non-German mongers then they hide it very well out on the street.[/QUOTE]Lou, would just advise you keep your eyes open. I myself have never pulled s Haitian chica from Bar Central (the closest I've ever been to that bar was when I passed in front of it). It's not to say that any Haitian chica I've taken doesn't spend time there, but I wouldn't have known since I did not meet them at Bar Central.

You should be able to find some Haitian chicas hanging around Rumba's and Merengue Bar. I've never seen them in Classicos much though.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1645373]Lou, would just advise you keep your eyes open. I myself have never pulled s Haitian chica from Bar Central (the closest I've ever been to that bar was when I passed in front of it). It's not to say that any Haitian chica I've taken doesn't spend time there, but I wouldn't have known since I did not meet them at Bar Central.

You should be able to find some Haitian chicas hanging around Rumba's and Merengue Bar. I've never seen them in Classicos much though.[/QUOTE]OK. Next time I'm down I'll do that. I must personally confirm their bedroom abilities, LOL!!

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1645228]You can find all of your answers and more in a section entitled "RTFF": "Read The Fucking Forum!"[/QUOTE]I already have!

[QUOTE=Lou32;1645367]No, I don't have it twisted because I am not arguing that their performance is sub-par. I am saying that I have yet to see a Haitian on PC give a second look to ANYONE who was not speaking German. I was looking at the action at Bar Central three nights ago and there were only two types of people there: Germans and Haitians. They seem to have a thing going on and I have no problem with that at all.

If they do, in fact, interact with non-German mongers then they hide it very well out on the street.[/QUOTE]Whether there's Germans, Greeks, Italians, Spaniards, etc. In Bar Central every single women inside Bar Central will interact with you and are available. As far as there being only Germans inside you are mistaken as there are a lot of Canadians, Dominicans, and other nationalities inside as well. The notion that the Haitians inside won't give a second look to a non German speaking person is ridiculous. I would be happy to accompany you inside and show you how much attention and immediate interaction I can get by just smiling at any one of the girls inside.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1645376]OK. Next time I'm down I'll do that. I must personally confirm their bedroom abilities, LOL!![/QUOTE]You might be pleasantly surprised.

I am surprised that no one else on this board who was in Classicos on Friday night has mentioned her. She was not the normal hottie, she was head and shoulders above the other hotties in height and in looks. Why did so many other guys not go up to her? As a poster has said its probably a good thing that she ignored me. I tend to be somewhat idiotic around women like that. In the past I have spent tons of money on civilians who look like her and got nothing in return. I had 12,000 pesos in addition to US $ in my room safe, who knows reasonable service and a couple smiles from her and she may have ended up with it all. Anyway, I settled on a SDO babe, 5 ft 10 ins, great body, see-cups, amazing bootie, a little above average face. She said 3,500 for TLN, I countered with 2,500, we finally agreed at 3,000 and there and then I told her I pay after so no issues. In the room although she gave me the leche papi she was very compliant with my demands for contortion on her part, and two leches later she departed with general felicidades. This trip to the DR has got off to a rollicking start with one of my all time best sessions in Casa Teresa with an acrobatic spinner last week continuing from my last great session there in my previous visit in September. I hope it continues like that. Oh, its time for me to go across to Rumba's and see what's rumbling.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1645428]Whether there's Germans, Greeks, Italians, Spaniards, etc. In Bar Central every single women inside Bar Central will interact with you and are available. As far as there being only Germans inside you are mistaken as there are a lot of Canadians, Dominicans, and other nationalities inside as well. The notion that the Haitians inside won't give a second look to a non German speaking person is ridiculous. I would be happy to accompany you inside and show you how much attention and immediate interaction I can get by just smiling at any one of the girls inside.[/QUOTE]Perhaps I've given the wrong impression with my writing style.

I didn't mean to imply that there was absolutely no one else in the bar but Germans and Haitians even though that is pretty much what I wrote. Words on a screen don't convey "tongue in cheek" conversation very well.

I know that there are all sorts there and at each other establishment. My point was that the vast majority of the interactions seemed to be between German speakers and Haitian chicas. Especially guys who looked to be in their 60's (older than me) and petite, young Haitian women.

I was actually at Bar Central during World Cup so I am not unfamiliar with the vibe. I don't think there would be any trouble if I talked to a Haitian girl. I just feel, from what I've seen and experienced, that getting that easy going back and forth that one gets with many of the Dominicanas would be more difficult with the Haitian chicas.

Frankly, they look preoccupied with fear most of the time so I don't think it is me, necessarily, since I understand their position in town is NOT good. If I were them I guess I'd stick to what I know and what is safe too (German guys at Bar Central).

If on my next trip I see a large number of Haitian ladies on the arms of guys I don't hear speaking German then I will take it all back.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1645429]You might be pleasantly surprised.[/QUOTE]I'll be surprised if they are terrible in bed because all I've heard is the opposite.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1645313]I can't argue with you since all of our experiences are different from one another's but, yeah, a lot of those chicas (especially after midnight) are copping attitude. I'm not saying that talking to them won't loosen them up, I am only talking about very first impressions.

If I see a chica completely ignoring ALL dudes and just hangin' with her homegirls for an hour or so in Classico then I can't but help to think that she is just out to have fun with her girls and picking up a dude / some cash is secondary. I'm not hating on that if true but I can see that back in the States. No need to come down to Sosua for that.

My fear is that even after talking to the sour faced (but hot) chicas, buying them a few drinks and dancing with them for a while you will be dealing with an all business chica back at the room who is all "leche, papi rapido" and keeping an eye on the exit.

In my limited Sosua experience, the chicas who easily return your smile and clearly show other signs of interest have been the ones who don't do that infamous personality flip back in the room. They started out fun at Rumba or Classico and the fun continued at the hotel.

Look, I admit the problem may be me. I tend to just hang back when I'm out and I don't play the "look at me!! Party Guy" role I see dudes take on after a couple of drinks.

I speak only a little Spanish but I make sure my hygiene is top notch, my clothes clean and sharp and when I see a chica I like I smile and approach so I don't think I am spreading any negativity their way when I am on the prowl (at least I hope not).

So I can only surmise that SOME (not all) of the 8's, 9's and 10's DO have attitude and will reject most gringos unless they see a true payday (one pop, $100).

As I've said, I am still newbie-ish so I'd love to hear some input from you 5 and 10 year vets on the attitude of the chicas now vs. A couple of years ago in Sosua.

And I still love Sosua and have a lot of fun when I'm there so this isn't a knock on the scene. Just curious about the attitudes of some of the real honeys there.[/QUOTE]Just stay away from any "sour faced" chica, no matter how hot, chances are it will be a expensive and unsatisfying waste of time. Read the vibe, she's not looking for you. There's plenty more.

The hooker business is basically the same, anywhere. They are good at profiling the customers, and they are NOT in Sosua for good sex.

A lot of Dominicanas have a hierarchy based network and rely on each other for borrowed money, clothes, phones (one IPhone, even clothes, may be shared by two chicas on different nights), and babysitting. They even set prices.

Money aside, a good looking athletic young dude can be a lot of work, an all night proposition, maybe a sore pussy and soiled clothes, but an older guy is easier and she'll be back on the strip sooner with her clothes, hair and makeup hardly mussed. One man's money is NOT always as good as the next.

These chicas are constantly sizing you up for easy money, and not least, the potential for WU down the road.

Haitians (and street girls) are the outliers in this world and operate ad hoc, which is why they are shunned by the club girls.

Which means an older guy can have as much fun down there as a young dude has at home in his club scene.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1645706]Just stay away from any "sour faced" chica, no matter how hot, chances are it will be a expensive and unsatisfying waste of time. Read the vibe, she's not looking for you. There's plenty more.

The hooker business is basically the same, anywhere. They are good at profiling the customers, and they are NOT in Sosua for good sex.

A lot of Dominicanas have a hierarchy based network and rely on each other for borrowed money, clothes, phones (one IPhone, even clothes, may be shared by two chicas on different nights), and babysitting. They even set prices.

Money aside, a good looking athletic young dude can be a lot of work, an all night proposition, maybe a sore pussy and soiled clothes, but an older guy is easier and she'll be back on the strip sooner with her clothes, hair and makeup hardly mussed. One man's money is NOT always as good as the next.

These chicas are constantly sizing you up for easy money, and not least, the potential for WU down the road.

Haitians (and street girls) are the outliers in this world and operate ad hoc, which is why they are shunned by the club girls.

Which means an older guy can have as much fun down there as a young dude has at home in his club scene.[/QUOTE]Thanks, Oakie. I've been wondering about that.

I see some of the most slovenly older guys with the top chicas and I figured it was because these guys pay top dollar for about 20 pumps then *BOOM* leche. Of course, in the pre-Viagra days, these blokes may have been the ones who made the chicas work the hardest since maybe they couldn't get it up?

At the same time I see a lot of the NBA / NFL looking guys just hanging out without a line of chicas coming up to them. Maybe its because the women figure these are the "all night, sore pussy" customers?

I have to admit it is fascinating watching how these women size up their prey.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1645806]I see some of the most slovenly older guys with the top chicas and I figured it was because these guys pay top dollar for about 20 pumps then *BOOM* leche. [/QUOTE]Makes sense to me. The hotter the chica the less pumps I need to get off.

You made some good points oakie. It was awhile before I realized how much the chicas watch us and trade information. I guess I was too busy having fun. But making that realization was a game changer! It made me a better monger. You're right about the girls not being there for good sex! LOL. Now more than before their about the money! However mongers can still have fun if they screen the chicas and choose well. Personally I never take any chica I can't have a good conversation with, get her laughing. I have my little interview process. Good post bruh! This is the kind of info that keeps the board alive!

[QUOTE=Oakie;1645706]Just stay away from any "sour faced" chica, no matter how hot, chances are it will be a expensive and unsatisfying waste of time. Read the vibe, she's not looking for you. There's plenty more.

The hooker business is basically the same, anywhere. They are good at profiling the customers, and they are NOT in Sosua for good sex.

A lot of Dominicanas have a hierarchy based network and rely on each other for borrowed money, clothes, phones (one IPhone, even clothes, may be shared by two chicas on different nights), and babysitting. They even set prices.

Money aside, a good looking athletic young dude can be a lot of work, an all night proposition, maybe a sore pussy and soiled clothes, but an older guy is easier and she'll be back on the strip sooner with her clothes, hair and makeup hardly mussed. One man's money is NOT always as good as the next.

These chicas are constantly sizing you up for easy money, and not least, the potential for WU down the road.

Haitians (and street girls) are the outliers in this world and operate ad hoc, which is why they are shunned by the club girls.

Which means an older guy can have as much fun down there as a young dude has at home in his club scene.[/QUOTE]Dominican Working girls are the laziest in bed. Most of them are all about money. Your better off spending a little more money and go to Brazil. Brazilian Women are Sex.

Machines and when they decide to become a puta they take pride in there jobs and make sure you get a good nut.

Dominican Girls are not worth more than 1500 pesos. I don't care how attractive they are.

[QUOTE=BrotherP;1645849]You made some good points oakie. It was awhile before I realized how much the chicas watch us and trade information. I guess I was too busy having fun. But making that realization was a game changer! It made me a better monger. You're right about the girls not being there for good sex! LOL. Now more than before their about the money! However mongers can still have fun if they screen the chicas and choose well. Personally I never take any chica I can't have a good conversation with, get her laughing. I have my little interview process. Good post bruh! This is the kind of info that keeps the board alive![/QUOTE]I support what you are saying. That includes the whole p4 p environment that are watching us, and trading information. I have 3 months this trip under my belt living in Sosua, and have a month to go. Most of my time, day and night, I also have been watching them. Their habits, how they size dudes up. Differentiating from those that patrol the strip and streets from those that stay stationary, sitting, waiting and watching.

I've watched plenty of mongers myself come and go. Many guys brand new to the scene with no experience or enough information about the scene and how to manage it. Some guys have had friends or family give them basic info to work with. Some have no clue, and are in dire need of a mentor or experienced wing man. The Sosua scene, from venders, beggars, pickpockets, chicas, the kids, the self appointed tour guides, you name it. All of these muggs smell new ness when they see it. When you watch closely it's like they all move like chess pieces. Getting into position to make their move on an unsuspecting monger.

Even if I'm sitting nearby or with a new individual, I'm largely ignored and all of the focus and attention is on who they perceive as fresh meat.

Speaking of interviewing chicas. I can't stress it enough, that guys need to interview or find some way to vet these chicas. If an interview is not possible at the venue one finds themselves in, at least pay attention to certain details which might indicate a yellow or red flag, and reason enough to avoid a problem for you down the road.

For instance, I met a chica 2 days ago near Sosua Suites. Took her number to check her out later. Saw her at the playa yesterday, and agreed to us maybe hooking up later. Nothing unusual happened. I did notice she was anxious to go right then and there. But I was still enjoying my day at the playa.

Later, I got her to come to Rockys. There I started my interview process. It was then that I focused on what I detected as her having an air of attitude. And seemed impatient as I was trying to get some details straight before taking her back to my spot. It was like she didn't want the interview process to continue, just that her and I get out of there and make it to where she may have more leverage in giving a dude a problem.

During my interview I wanted to get it clear if her BJ was bareback or covered. She indicated covered. Her answer was as if she wanted to anticipate what I wanted. I told her that won't work for me, and was ready to abort. She quickly regrouped and claimed it was no problem.

Well, I've been there, done that. Many chicas will say anything just to get you to take them. And then flip the script, in your spot. The last thing a dude needs is to allow a chica in your spot and then realize you and her are at odds with each other over services and compensation. I knew her1st response, and that's the response I believed. I eventually terminated my interview because I didn't like her vibe, her attitude, and didn't think I have the chemistry I need to enjoy her. So I aborted. She didn't like it, and probably was quite surprised that I sent her on way because she was fine. Cute face, round ass, nice body overall. But all that didn't phase me. Sticking to what I want is / was more important. Multiply this by dozens of chicas over 4 months.

Just remember who is incharge and that is the presidents in your pocket. Don't let girls dictate anything to you. Interview and take your time. Hardcore girls are alwaysbe in a hurry and will be the first to say leche papi. Hardcore girls can be very good in bed if they like you and yes some timeS they do like us. When you connect with girls who are somewhat fresh it can be a jackpot. I suggest if the chemistry is good do a repeat. There is nothing wrong with sharing time with a girl you like. They watch because we are their meal tickets. Many of these girls are literally hungry. Trying to find the next guy is stressful and challenging. Many of the girls are very tired from being up all night and not finding any takers. Way more girls then guys. I have BEEN offered very good terms for repeating. You make them feel relaxed they will fuck your brains out.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1646068]

Speaking of interviewing chicas. I can't stress it enough, that guys need to interview or find some way to vet these chicas. If an interview is not possible at the venue one finds themselves in, at least pay attention to certain details which might indicate a yellow or red flag, and reason enough to avoid a problem for you down the road.

[/QUOTE]This is true. The majority of unsuccessful outcomes could have been averted by diligent pre-employment evaluation of what the hiree is bringing to the encounter, and by careful observation of body language, demeanor, character, attitude, etc. Basic Spanish language skills will greatly enhance customer satisfaction.

Remember they are meeting their needs first of all and will tend to tell you what you want to hear. For example, if you are engaging them for all night, make absolutely sure that they are committed to all night and available for all night and that you are not just bullying them into it, or they are agreeing because they cannot afford to lose you as a customer, even though they have to be home by 6:00 am To get a child ready for school or relieve a baby sitter, or whatever. Because to get the money, they WILL lie and then improvise later to get home early, and it is no good you expecting to complain to the Sosua Better Business Bureau or Department of Fair Trading if she does not fulfill the contract you believed in good faith that you had with her.

If you really want all night with a chica you have just met, it would be better to engage her for short time first and then offer her toda la noche after the deed is done if you still want it. At least that way she can back out gracefully or accept enthusiastically, as the case may be.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1646152]The majority of unsuccessful outcomes could have been averted by diligent pre-employment evaluation of what the hiree is bringing to the encounter...[/QUOTE]This forced erudition is just so tedious as it aspires so much higher than the content delivers. Are the Dominicans impressed with it or are we the only ones forced to endure?

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1646027]Dominican Working girls are the laziest in bed. Most of them are all about money. Your better off spending a little more money and go to Brazil. Brazilian Women are Sex.

Machines and when they decide to become a puta they take pride in there jobs and make sure you get a good nut.

Dominican Girls are not worth more than 1500 pesos. I don't care how attractive they are.[/QUOTE]That is painting with a very broad brush, there are star performers and star fish in both countries. I've been with many Dominican girls that are not lazy.

I might add that Brazil is twice as far and twice the price to travel to for most of us, girls are twice as expensive, and you need a $165. Visa to enter the country, to enter the DR costs a $10. Tourist card. Apples and oranges sir.

[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1646159]This forced erudition is just so tedious as it aspires so much higher than the content delivers. Are the Dominicans impressed with it or are we the only ones forced to endure?[/QUOTE]A lot of people on this board regard their mongering activities as a kind of negotiated business contract, so it makes sense to speak to them in their own language.

We all have different expectations and goals in our sport. The girls are the means of satisfying our desires. Younger guys seem to be into numbers. Sport fucking as much as possible. Nothing wrong with that. As we get older we tend to look for a bit more quality as oppose to quantity in our encounters. Sosau is not the best place to get quality but it can be developed. As mentioned by others talking to them upfront is required if you want more then a quick nut. When the girls know they are a piece of meat to you they way more likely to rush and not care if you enjoyed the session. If they are comfortable they will try keep a good client. They will give you better pricing and even a freebie every now and then.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1646276]A lot of people on this board regard their mongering activities as a kind of negotiated business contract, so it makes sense to speak to them in their own language.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1646319]We all have different expectations and goals in our sport. The girls are the means of satisfying our desires. Younger guys seem to be into numbers. Sport fucking as much as possible. Nothing wrong with that. As we get older we tend to look for a bit more quality as oppose to quantity in our encounters. Sosau is not the best place to get quality but it can be developed. As mentioned by others talking to them upfront is required if you want more then a quick nut. When the girls know they are a piece of meat to you they way more likely to rush and not care if you enjoyed the session. If they are comfortable they will try keep a good client. They will give you better pricing and even a freebie every now and then.[/QUOTE]Good post brother. What I do is adjust my game hunting to the environment to get the quality I need. For example; I don't like the strip on PC where the hardcore girls run their hustle, that is just a pass thru spot for me. I adjust my game and hunt at the beach and outter bars for average looking girls who crave attention. They tend to appreciate the opportunity and give a worthwhile experience. I've had some bad chicas back in the ops Sosua days but they are retired now and living in POP. Giving back, and adjusting your game helps keep the ball rolling for me.

I arrive in Sosua shortly (Wrx hit me up) and I'm more excited about knocking these average chicas off that I've over looked in the past. It's about keeping it fresh and fun, something sport fuckers will never know.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1646252]That is painting with a very broad brush, there are star performers and star fish in both countries. I've been with many Dominican girls that are not lazy.

I might add that Brazil is twice as far and twice the price to travel to for most of us, girls are twice as expensive, and you need a $165. Visa to enter the country, to enter the DR costs a $10. Tourist card. Apples and oranges sir.[/QUOTE]In this instance a broad brush can be used. I have never had a non-performer in Brazil. They truly know what customer service is in the P4P arena. It is like they go above and beyond to try to impress you. That is from the SW to the top tier termas girl. It is definitely apples and oranges. The rotten apple being the DR and the sweet juicy orange being Brazil. That saying you get what you pay for is true in this case. You can buy the Fix Or Repair Daily which may fit your need in getting you from point A to point B if it is not Found On Roadside Dead first, or you can spend a bit more for the Lexus that is always going to get you there in comfort and all you have to do is add gas and change the oil every so often. Show me the MF on ISG who would dare say he went to Brazil and got a non-performing starfish. For DR they are a dime a dozen.

Last March I went all out and took a trip to Maldives. Was it hella expensive? Sure. Was it far as hell? Sure. Was it the best fucking resort and beaches that I have seen in my life? GD right. Sometimes you have to pay more and go out of your way to get the best. If I just wanted it to be like a box of chocolates then I could have just as well taken my ass to Juan Dolio where it is much closer, much easier to get to, and much cheaper.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1646068]
During my interview I wanted to get it clear if her BJ was bareback or covered. She indicated covered. Her answer was as if she wanted to anticipate what I wanted. I told her that won't work for me, and was ready to abort. She quickly regrouped and claimed it was no problem.

Well, I've been there, done that. Many chicas will say anything just to get you to take them. And then flip the script, in your spot. The last thing a dude needs is to allow a chica in your spot and then realize you and her are at odds with each other over services and compensation. I knew her1st response, and that's the response I believed. I eventually terminated my interview because I didn't like her vibe, her attitude, and didn't think I have the chemistry I need to enjoy her. So I aborted. She didn't like it, and probably was quite surprised that I sent her on way because she was fine. Cute face, round ass, nice body overall. But all that didn't phase me. Sticking to what I want is / was more important. Multiply this by dozens of chicas over 4 months.[/QUOTE]Damn good read and seed.

Rjsss212 says:

""This forced erudition is just so tedious as it aspires so much higher than the content delivers. Are the Dominicans impressed with it or are we the only ones forced to endure?""

It's just that some guys can't help overcomplicating a simple transaction. You see some guys walking around for half an hour checking all the posted menus outside restaurants, before coming back to the first one.

Another guy just follows his nose, and his appetite.

You have to negotiate, but I can see why that complicated multiple interview stuff is tedious to the chicas. You are not buying a house. Time is money to her, and she may not care to waste it in a detailed negotiation that is going nowhere, a verbal "negotiated business contract", as some call it.

And if that interview process doesn't include your visceral reaction to her, I mean does she give you a hard on?, and at least a little fun, then you might as well be haggling over the price of a T shirt. I try to leave my discards smiling. Who knows when I may be back?

But hey, as Old Kool says, it's all good. Just not for everybody, is all.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1645456]I am surprised that no one else on this board who was in Classicos on Friday night has mentioned her. She was not the normal hottie, she was head and shoulders above the other hotties in height and in looks. Why did so many other guys not go up to her? .[/QUOTE]Turgid I am disappointed in you. You are coming to the discussion board talking about a puta that you didn't fuck but is still on your mind after all of these days. Don't lose your cool points player. That was not your first time in Sosua. I know you were joking about giving her all your money but some newbies might get the wrong impression thinking that's the code of conduct the when you see a bad Chica. I was in Classico Friday night and I could not zero in on one Chica that really stood out in the club. Maybe I was in my own zone and smelling myself. But turgid this bunny had you under her spell and this ain't your first rodeo. The next time you see this chica my suggestion is you go ahead and pay her and get her off your mind. Then share the experience with us about your dream chica. I want to hear if all that glitters was gold.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1645313]


Look, I admit the problem may be me. I tend to just hang back when I'm out and I don't play the "look at me!! Party Guy" role I see dudes take on after a couple of drinks.

I speak only a little Spanish but I make sure my hygiene is top notch, my clothes clean and sharp and when I see a chica I like I smile and approach so I don't think I am spreading any negativity their way when I am on the prowl (at least I hope not).

So I can only surmise that SOME (not all) of the 8's, 9's and 10's DO have attitude and will reject most gringos unless they see a true payday (one pop, $100).

As I've said, I am still newbie-ish so I'd love to hear some input from you 5 and 10 year vets on the attitude of the chicas now vs. A couple of years ago in Sosua.

And I still love Sosua and have a lot of fun when I'm there so this isn't a knock on the scene. Just curious about the attitudes of some of the real honeys there.[/QUOTE]When I am in my monger mode smelling good looking good feeling good, how dare I relegate myself into Approaching a super bunny given her the upper hand. As mentioned before these girls are observing us from the moment we come on the strip. And to her defense: she has a 15,000 peso hair do, A 4000 peso outfit on, Her nails and and toes are done. She has a fake $300 purse expensive high heels and maybe a knock off iPhone. She knows she is the shit. The rest of the chicas know she's the shit.

Dinero trumps all so You either impress her and make her want to leave with you. Or you pay her like she think she deserves. If she's dressed like she's the shit- attitude with outfit and the average monger or comes up to her T-shirt khaki pants flip-flops. Or she was observing you chasing lesser chica and now you're in her face. Trying to talk to her. She wants $100 short-term take it or leave it. If you walk off and she keeps her status and that's all that matters to her besides the Dinero. She will let you walk off and turn her attention to her iPhone as if she's really talking to someone. I call these type of Chicas special effects! These chicas are dream fucks to most of us. At least from the outside. Her looks enhance the idea of sleeping with her but it doesn't make the pussy better.

There's nothing wrong with how she's conducting herself that's just how she gets down. She wants a return on her investment. If you want her. Pay her or play her -which will still cost you but half of what the last guy paid. This requires skilz confidence and understanding of how these chicas operate.

Guys come to Sosua with different genders. Some guys are looking for that dream fuck. Some guys come down and end up finding their wife. Most of us vets are past all that. Decent looks damn good fuck and above all no problems.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1646432]Turgid I am disappointed in you. You are coming to the discussion board talking about a puta that you didn't fuck but is still on your mind after all of these days. Don't lose your cool points player. That was not your first time in Sosua. I know you were joking about giving her all your money but some newbies might get the wrong impression thinking that's the code of conduct the when you see a bad Chica. I was in Classico Friday night and I could not zero in on one Chica that really stood out in the club. Maybe I was in my own zone and smelling myself. But turgid this bunny had you under her spell and this ain't your first rodeo. The next time you see this chica my suggestion is you go ahead and pay her and get her off your mind. Then share the experience with us about your dream chica. I want to hear if all that glitters was gold.[/QUOTE]I don't see providers like that in our hobby. If I see her again I'll go into my non pro club mode which I haven't used in many years. In this hobby I am just a point and click guy, no fanfare, and report accordingly. On another note, major bummer, down with the flu and have not sessioned since Sunday, totally uncool.

I'm reading this forum since several weeks and I am impressed about some very interesting conclusions and wise sayings about girls in DomRep or Third-World-Countries in general.

Often your opinions and conclusions confirm my own experiences and make me sure to not thinking in a wrong way.

Sorry, my English is not the best. I lived several years in Latinamerica but not in the Domincan Rep.

I was two times in Sosua, last time one year ago. Had always a great time. I like the variety of girls, big ones, small ones, white, mixed, black. Normally with nice boobs and asses. And 80 per cent of the girls know how to make good sex. Other thing is if they are in the mood to do so in this moment.

I'm planning to come back in January for two or three weeks. But reading your posts about the change in Sosua and all the closures I'm a bit afraid that it will become boring.

Are there only Rumba, Bar Central and Classicos where you can find a bigger quantity of girls?

Doesn't exist any other bar where are hanging more than 3 or 4 girls to choose from?

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1646439]When I am in my monger mode smelling good looking good feeling good, how dare I relegate myself into Approaching a super bunny given her the upper hand. As mentioned before these girls are observing us from the moment we come on the strip. And to her defense: she has a 15,000 peso hair do, A 4000 peso outfit on, Her nails and and toes are done. She has a fake $300 purse expensive high heels and maybe a knock off iPhone. She knows she is the shit. The rest of the chicas know she's the shit.

Dinero trumps all so You either impress her and make her want to leave with you. Or you pay her like she think she deserves. If she's dressed like she's the shit- attitude with outfit and the average monger or comes up to her T-shirt khaki pants flip-flops. Or she was observing you chasing lesser chica and now you're in her face. Trying to talk to her. She wants $100 short-term take it or leave it. If you walk off and she keeps her status and that's all that matters to her besides the Dinero. She will let you walk off and turn her attention to her iPhone as if she's really talking to someone. I call these type of Chicas special effects! These chicas are dream fucks to most of us. At least from the outside. Her looks enhance the idea of sleeping with her but it doesn't make the pussy better.

There's nothing wrong with how she's conducting herself that's just how she gets down. She wants a return on her investment. If you want her. Pay her or play her -which will still cost you but half of what the last guy paid. This requires skilz confidence and understanding of how these chicas operate.

Guys come to Sosua with different genders. Some guys are looking for that dream fuck. Some guys come down and end up finding their wife. Most of us vets are past all that. Decent looks damn good fuck and above all no problems.[/QUOTE]I can't argue with anything you wrote but I'll say this - the more the Dominicanas behave like American women the more they should be treated like American women.

I for one am just looking for a good time with a fun chica. If they want to make me jump through hoops like a circus lion then I don't care if they look like 1997 Halle Berry.

I'll take a fun 7 at 1500 pesos over a "too cool for most gringos" 10 at 2500 pesos any night of the month.

Mongering in the DR is different from mongering in most other countries. This is probably because of the particular nature of Dominicanas. Apparently even Dominican providers like to know the gent a little more before getting intimate. Other women (Colombian, Brazilian, Thai, Chinese, etc.) have no problem giving good service to someone with whom they have had minimal or no conversation. Not so Dominicana pros, you have to woo them, make them laugh and generally be interesting to avoid the leche papi syndrome (am I correct?) To my knowledge there is no setup in the DR like in other countries where you enter the establishment, a lineup is presented, you choose and immediately go to the room. In the DR there is always a bar where you are required to socialize with the chica before going arriba. Hence, why point, click and f. K immediately hobbyists will more often than not get poor service from Dominicanas. My advice to newbies who love Dominicanas and prefer to hobby here is to learn to speak Spanish and spend some time with the chicas before getting down to business. Unfortunately, my nature does not allow me to take my own advice.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1646432]Turgid I am disappointed in you. You are coming to the discussion board talking about a puta that you didn't fuck but is still on your mind after all of these days. Don't lose your cool points player. That was not your first time in Sosua. I know you were joking about giving her all your money but some newbies might get the wrong impression thinking that's the code of conduct the when you see a bad Chica. I was in Classico Friday night and I could not zero in on one Chica that really stood out in the club. Maybe I was in my own zone and smelling myself. But turgid this bunny had you under her spell and this ain't your first rodeo. The next time you see this chica my suggestion is you go ahead and pay her and get her off your mind. Then share the experience with us about your dream chica. I want to hear if all that glitters was gold.[/QUOTE]I can only imagine how pussy whipped Turgid might be after a session with this "stealth chica" nobody else noticed in the Classicos.

I bit my tongue when I read how flustered he was when a puta would not show interest in his cash. The same chick this time next year will be begging for 1500 pesos.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1646492]I can only imagine how pussy whipped Turgid might be after a session with this "stealth chica" nobody else noticed in the Classicos.[/QUOTE]

The DR has more then its share of working girl houses called casas. The prices range widely. What makes the DR different is that there are free lance putas who don't have the hardcore edge. Sometime these girls can provide a different experience. If you are a point click guy then this might be something that would not interest you. I enjoy looking for the girls who has not gone hardcore but will sex you up.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1646470]Mongering in the DR is different from mongering in most other countries. This is probably because of the particular nature of Dominicanas. Apparently even Dominican providers like to know the gent a little more before getting intimate. Other women (Colombian, Brazilian, Thai, Chinese, etc.) have no problem giving good service to someone with whom they have had minimal or no conversation. Not so Dominicana pros, you have to woo them, make them laugh and generally be interesting to avoid the leche papi syndrome (am I correct?) To my knowledge there is no setup in the DR like in other countries where you enter the establishment, a lineup is presented, you choose and immediately go to the room. In the DR there is always a bar where you are required to socialize with the chica before going arriba. Hence, why point, click and f. K immediately hobbyists will more often than not get poor service from Dominicanas. My advice to newbies who love Dominicanas and prefer to hobby here is to learn to speak Spanish and spend some time with the chicas before getting down to business. Unfortunately, my nature does not allow me to take my own advice.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Turgid;1646470]... there is no setup in the DR like in other countries where you enter the establishment, a lineup is presented, you choose and immediately go to the room.[/QUOTE]Totally wrong. Passions and Caribbean Whatever may have closed in Sosua but Cristal is still going in Puerto Plata where they do exactly that. And the SD board shows there are several such in the capital. Then there are Field of Dreams and Blackbeards where they only have line-ups in special occasions but there are plenty of chicas around for you to grab one and head for a room.

Not my style, but they are there if you like that sort of thing.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1646512]I bit my tongue when I read how flustered he was when a puta would not show interest in his cash. The same chick this time next year will be begging for 1500 pesos.[/QUOTE]I will be looking for her on Friday. If I session with her I may have to change my handle from Turgid to Pussywhipped.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1646529]Totally wrong. Passions and Caribbean Whatever may have closed in Sosua but Cristal is still going in Puerto Plata where they do exactly that. And the SD board shows there are several such in the capital. Then there are Field of Dreams and Blackbeards where they only have line-ups in special occasions but there are plenty of chicas around for you to grab one and head for a room.

Not my style, but they are there if you like that sort of thing.[/QUOTE]I am talking about an establishment where there is no bar like, for example, New Life and Energy and dozens of other casas in Medellin. You enter, are presented with a lineup and go straight to the room. Blackbeards, Field of Dreams, GBP, Casa Teresa, Hoe Row casas and many others in the DR all have bars where you can get acquainted with the chicas. I will be very happy to be proved wrong here so please name me one establishment in Santo Domingo that is like what I have described and I will certainly check the veracity of your statement when I get there next week and eat humble pie in a report on my visit if you are correct. To repeat again I am not talking about a casa where the guys can sit around chatting with the chicas. Lineup, choose, then go to room.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1646567]I am talking about an establishment where there is no bar like, for example, New Life and Energy and dozens of other casas in Medellin. You enter, are presented with a lineup and go straight to the room. Blackbeards, Field of Dreams, GBP, Casa Teresa, Hoe Row casas and many others in the DR all have bars where you can get acquainted with the chicas. I will be very happy to be proved wrong here so please name me one establishment in Santo Domingo that is like what I have described and I will certainly check the veracity of your statement when I get there next week and eat humble pie in a report on my visit if you are correct. To repeat again I am not talking about a casa where the guys can sit around chatting with the chicas. Lineup, choose, then go to room.[/QUOTE]You will be proven wrong on this.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1646572]You will be proven wrong on this.[/QUOTE]Don't tell me I'll be proven wrong. Prove me wrong.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1646467]I can't argue with anything you wrote but I'll say this - the more the Dominicanas behave like American women the more they should be treated like American women.

I for one am just looking for a good time with a fun chica. If they want to make me jump through hoops like a circus lion then I don't care if they look like 1997 Halle Berry.

I'll take a fun 7 at 1500 pesos over a "too cool for most gringos" 10 at 2500 pesos any night of the month.[/QUOTE]You and I both. That's probably why I missed Turgid's chica. My eyes do not focus on the special-effects. Yo Turgid once you get over your flu it's time for some redemption on her ass.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1646408]Damn good read and seed.[/QUOTE]Update on the chica I mentioned. Just found out a friend of mine here in Sosua already had this chica. Even though YMMD with just about any chica, I suspect his negative experience was no fluke. He showed me the picture to confirm it was the same chica. In the pic she was wearing the same dress the night we were to hook up.

Anyway, he said he offered her some food while he was sitting outside of Rumbas restaurant. He said she tore through the food like she hadn't had a meal all day. But he said he was impressed that she stopped halfway through and offered him the rest of her food. I thought cool at 1st. But it would have been more impressive if she had offered him some of her food before she ate half of it. Sure that's a sweet gesture. But your ass is full now off of food and Presidente, now you can afford to offer me some of your food.

Back at his spot. He said the chica was aloof, and very mechanical. After he showered he said she asked for the money up front. Damn! Talk about a buzz killer. Later he had to ask her to take off her bra. Doing the do everything was mechanical, just going through the motions. In a nutshell, the sex was whack. He said he had some convo with her afterwards. Giving her advice and counsel on how she may be able to do better out there if she works a little harder to give a client an incentive to repeat or recommend her. According to him, she didn't give what he said much consideration. She just wanted her money so she could get the F out of there.

Now I didn't have any intel on this chica prior to my engagement. But there were enough yellow and red flags coming from this chica to warrant me to abort and leave her the F alone. Like I said before. I have had enough been there done that episodes where you already know what to expect before it even happens.

Meanwhile, I have had quite a few chicas I had no issues with. Some were repeats. Enough were only single but decent encounters. And all the barracudas or potential barracudas, they were managed accordingly.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1646567]I am talking about an establishment where there is no bar like, for example, New Life and Energy and dozens of other casas in Medellin. You enter, are presented with a lineup and go straight to the room. Blackbeards, Field of Dreams, GBP, Casa Teresa, Hoe Row casas and many others in the DR all have bars where you can get acquainted with the chicas. I will be very happy to be proved wrong here so please name me one establishment in Santo Domingo that is like what I have described and I will certainly check the veracity of your statement when I get there next week and eat humble pie in a report on my visit if you are correct. To repeat again I am not talking about a casa where the guys can sit around chatting with the chicas. Lineup, choose, then go to room.[/QUOTE]I agree that la republica doesn't have any casas that are set up like the establishments in Colombia. That's one reason I prefer the DR! It's a whole different vibe. Good luck with the chica your infatuated with! LOL. If she's on your mind like that then by all means bang her. But you're an experienced monger. YOU KNOW those are all the signs of a poor performer.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1646411]It's just that some guys can't help overcomplicating a simple transaction. You see some guys walking around for half an hour checking all the posted menus outside restaurants, before coming back to the first one.

Another guy just follows his nose, and his appetite.

You have to negotiate, but I can see why that complicated multiple interview stuff is tedious to the chicas. You are not buying a house. Time is money to her, and she may not care to waste it in a detailed negotiation that is going nowhere, a verbal "negotiated business contract", as some call it.

And if that interview process doesn't include your visceral reaction to her, I mean does she give you a hard on?, and at least a little fun, then you might as well be haggling over the price of a T shirt. I try to leave my discards smiling. Who knows when I may be back?

But hey, as Old Kool says, it's all good. Just not for everybody, is all.[/QUOTE]I understand the analogy, of some guys walking around for a half hour checking all posted menus outside restaurants before coming back to the 1st one. Now how does that analogy relate or compare to a guy making a choice in a chica? Are you implying some guys walk around a half hour checking out other chicas before coming back to the 1st chica? I wouldn't know what other comparison one might draw from that analogy, but I don't see anything wrong with that. For one, it gives a guy a chance not to be too hasty in making a rushed decision when there may be other choices available. Further once it's established there doesn't seem to be any better choices, going back to a 1st choice offers one some comfort for playing it smart.

Mind you, if the dude is off checking out other chicas, he aint wasting the 1st chicas time or any other chicas time with some "complicated" interview what ever that supposedly entails? In fact, I don't believe this is about making an interview complicated, because there are no examples here to draw from indicating what is being said that is so complicated, or can be equated with a guy trying to buy a house. Those are simply exaggerations.

The truth of the matter, a little well invested time with a chica, one can detect what kind of vibe or chemistry they have between them, if any. Good negotiations or interviews can and have been managed by guys. Through trial and error, guys have learned key things they left out of their previous interviews that ended up being very important. But like always chicas have a way of bringing a guy back to reality if he is caught slipping or under estimating things to look out for.

Sure to chicas time is money. But so what? How much time we talking here to know how much is too long? Or are we just exaggerating something not even accounted for. Whats good for them is good for us. Time is money for any monger as well. I'm sure most mongers would rather take enough time to vet a chica towards having a decent time, than have a bad encounter because they followed the advice of a hard on brought on by said chica. Thats the problem enough dudes have now. Interviewing with the wrong head.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1646529]Totally wrong. Passions and Caribbean Whatever may have closed in Sosua but Cristal is still going in Puerto Plata where they do exactly that. And the SD board shows there are several such in the capital. Then there are Field of Dreams and Blackbeards where they only have line-ups in special occasions but there are plenty of chicas around for you to grab one and head for a room.

Not my style, but they are there if you like that sort of thing.[/QUOTE]The very first time I ever saw the "line-up" thing was not too long ago at Field of Dreams. It was for a young couple too. Quite a trip to say the least.

I'm fully aware there are some dudes that come to Sosua that have a chica sitting around them for long periods of time, and they decide not to take the chica. To that I say this. Just as much as a monger has to take responsibility for some of the things that happen to them, the same thing applies to chicas. If they decide to stay with a guy for a half hour and it aint going nowhere, whose fault is that? Did the dude waste her time, or did she? She really only has herself to blame. If quick negotiations is important to a chica, then she has no business sitting around with a dude that is clearly taking his time. She is gambling, just like we as mongers gamble with the unknown when it comes to chicas.

After all, I dont support the notion that mongers are the only ones designated to take an L or carry the burden for exercising poor judgement or miscalculating an outcome.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1646567]I am talking about an establishment where there is no bar like, for example, New Life and Energy and dozens of other casas in Medellin. You enter, are presented with a lineup and go straight to the room. Blackbeards, Field of Dreams, GBP, Casa Teresa, Hoe Row casas and many others in the DR all have bars where you can get acquainted with the chicas. I will be very happy to be proved wrong here so please name me one establishment in Santo Domingo that is like what I have described and I will certainly check the veracity of your statement when I get there next week and eat humble pie in a report on my visit if you are correct. To repeat again I am not talking about a casa where the guys can sit around chatting with the chicas. Lineup, choose, then go to room.[/QUOTE]Wasn't there a television report about P4 P in the DR a couple of years ago where the undercover reporter was on a beach (Punta Cana?) and a guy literally walks him to one of these casas?

No bar. Just a ho lineup?

[QUOTE=BrotherP;1646591]I agree that la republica doesn't have any casas that are set up like the establishments in Colombia. That's one reason I prefer the DR! It's a whole different vibe. Good luck with the chica your infatuated with! LOL. If she's on your mind like that then by all means bang her. But you're an experienced monger. YOU KNOW those are all the signs of a poor performer.[/QUOTE]Hey, I'm not as strong as you guys. My weakness has always been women. I can control my drinking, gambling, smoking and binge eating but when it comes to the fairer sex I'm a mess. I will be willing to chance the poor performance with this one.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1646252]That is painting with a very broad brush, there are star performers and star fish in both countries. I've been with many Dominican girls that are not lazy.

I might add that Brazil is twice as far and twice the price to travel to for most of us, girls are twice as expensive, and you need a $165. Visa to enter the country, to enter the DR costs a $10. Tourist card. Apples and oranges sir.[/QUOTE]Trust me its well worth the added cost. I been to both Countries and I was in Brazil last week and the quality was amazing, I was in some of the termas and it was nothing but supermodels, you sometimes can't believe they sell pussy.

In DR is cheaper but most of the women are out of shape and don't take care of themselves that's why a typical chica only last about 6 months before she starts looking worn out. If these DR Putas took care of there body like the Brazilian women they would last longer.

I meet a few Brazilian working girls and some of them were in there early 30's (33,34+ years old) and they can pass for a 21 Year Old, because they eat right and they exercise. They take there health seriously.

Go for it she may be the best you ever had. Only one way to find out. If you play it right she can be your play thing.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1646624]Hey, I'm not as strong as you guys. My weakness has always been women. I can control my drinking, gambling, smoking and binge eating but when it comes to the fairer sex I'm a mess. I will be willing to chance the poor performance with this one.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1646660]Trust me its well worth the added cost. I been to both Countries and I was in Brazil last week and the quality was amazing, I was in some of the termas and it was nothing but supermodels, you sometimes can't believe they sell pussy.

In DR is cheaper but most of the women are out of shape and don't take care of themselves that's why a typical chica only last about 6 months before she starts looking worn out. If these DR Putas took care of there body like the Brazilian women they would last longer.

I meet a few Brazilian working girls and some of them were in there early 30's (33,34+ years old) and they can pass for a 21 Year Old, because they eat right and they exercise. They take there health seriously.[/QUOTE]I haven't done Brazil yet. What were you paying per session?

[QUOTE=BrotherP;1646697]I haven't done Brazil yet. What were you paying per session?[/QUOTE]If you go to a high Quality termas expect to pay $110 US per hour (300 Brazil Real). But its well worth as your typical Brazilian girl is not a clock watcher and take pride in there jobs. They want to impress you and fuck the shit out of you hoping that they will get repeat.

Business. (or hopefully you will fall in love and marry them and take care of them). And Trust me its easy to fall in love, They got some of the best pussy on earth. Take it from a monger that has been everywhere.

Unlike in Sosua where these chicas only cares about today and don't worry about tomorrow. You can pay $40-$50 for some out of shape, bullet wounds, baby scars Dominican Chica. Or pay $110 and get you a Dime SuperModel with Flawless Skin and a Incredible Body!

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1646605]I understand the analogy, of some guys walking around for a half hour checking all posted menus outside restaurants before coming back to the 1st one. Now how does that analogy relate or compare to a guy making a choice in a chica? Are you implying some guys walk around a half hour checking out other chicas before coming back to the 1st chica? I wouldn't know what other comparison one might draw from that analogy, but I don't see anything wrong with that. For one, it gives a guy a chance not to be too hasty in making a rushed decision when there may be other choices available. Further once it's established there doesn't seem to be any better choices, going back to a 1st choice offers one some comfort for playing it smart..[/QUOTE]That chica you told us about in detail, first you met her and got her phone number, then you met her on the beach and agreed to maybe meet up later, then you invited her to a bar, where you began your "interview", which you "aborted".

Then you tell us she wanted the interview to end.

I'm just explaining why that would be the case, is all, and why most mongers don't take 3 meetings with a puta before deciding not to go with her.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1646615]Wasn't there a television report about P4 P in the DR a couple of years ago where the undercover reporter was on a beach (Punta Cana?) and a guy literally walks him to one of these casas?

No bar. Just a ho lineup?[/QUOTE]Yeah, but it was in Boca Chica I'm rather sure.

Damn, the quality of the chicas service level really seems to be far from impeccable judging from what people writes on here. I guess La Passion really had their girls in a tight leash because when I went there in February 2012 (long time ago I know) the girls I encountered from there was so sweet and had that mandatory "I love you"-move in the morning.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1646660]Trust me its well worth the added cost. I been to both Countries and I was in Brazil last week and the quality was amazing, I was in some of the termas and it was nothing but supermodels, you sometimes can't believe they sell pussy.

In DR is cheaper but most of the women are out of shape and don't take care of themselves that's why a typical chica only last about 6 months before she starts looking worn out. If these DR Putas took care of there body like the Brazilian women they would last longer.

I meet a few Brazilian working girls and some of them were in there early 30's (33,34+ years old) and they can pass for a 21 Year Old, because they eat right and they exercise. They take there health seriously.[/QUOTE]Interestingly, before this trip my intention was to go either to Brazil or the DR. I have had the best sex I've ever had from providers in Brazil, also the best bodies in the business are also in Brazil. As far as faces are concerned they are up there with Argentinians, Colombians, Europeans and Asians. Yet here I am in the DR. This is because after I computed my budgets for the two trips that to the DR was so significantly lower that in terms of value for money the poorer quality in the DR represented money better spent than what I would have expended in Brazil. One has to tabulate everything, namely, airfare, accommodation, restaurant, transportation and chicas. In all it comes up to about three times the cost of a similar trip to the DR. If I were wealthy, however, I would have no problem choosing Rio.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1646805]That chica you told us about in detail, first you met her and got her phone number, then you met her on the beach and agreed to maybe meet up later, then you invited her to a bar, where you began your "interview", which you "aborted".

Then you tell us she wanted the interview to end.

I'm just explaining why that would be the case, is all, and why most mongers don't take 3 meetings with a puta before deciding not to go with her.[/QUOTE]1st off in your post you were talking about multiple interview stuff. And using the analogy of some guy walking around for half and hour for a restaurant to possibly insinuate a monger is doing the same thing just because he doesn't make up his mind to take a chica right thenand there.

None of that applies to what I posted, because I didn't say jack about multiple interviews. Mutiple meetings and multiple interviews are apples and oranges. Nor did I say or imply anything about a monger requiring multiple meetings. You yourself made it sound complicated by itemizing the individual times I met the chica. My emphasis and focus was on paying attention to the chica and what's going on during the time one is engaged. As it turns out, how I handled it probably saved me time and money. As opposed to the dude I know who wasted his time with the same chica. If her time was wasted because she got rejected, so be it.

Why should that concern me, YOU or any other monger? It goes with the territory. And if she can't accept that, then maybe she aint ready for this p4 p game. Now I don't know how many meetings he may have had with the chica. To me that shit is irrelevant to this conversation. Who cares? Many mongers meet chicas on the regular and arent ready to take them then. But will take a number to potentially hook up later. WTF is wrong with that? Besides she herself may be unavailable at the time he calls. Dudes know that. The chica can contact a potential client when she's free. Or the guy will eventually bump into her again. He still might not be ready or interested in taking a chica. Some dudes including myself, often just like flirting or engaging with chicas for the shear fun of it. Nothing complicated about any of this.

Perhaps you can explain what's complicated?

I'm reading this forum since several weeks and I am impressed about some very interesting conclusions and wise sayings about girls in DomRep or Third-World-Countries in general.

Often your opinions and conclusions confirm my own experiences and make me sure to not thinking in a wrong way.

Sorry, my English is not the best. My Spanish is very good because I lived several years in Latinamerica but not in the Domincan Rep.

I was two times in Sosua, last time one year ago. Had always a great time. I like the variety of girls, big ones, small ones, white, mixed, black, normally with nice boobs and asses. And 80 per cent of the girls know how to make good sex. The point is if they are in the mood to do it in this moment with you.

I'm planning to come back in January for two or three weeks. But reading your posts about the change in Sosua and all the closures I'm a bit afraid that it will become boring.

Are there only Rumba, Bar Central and Classicos where you can find a bigger quantity of girls?

Doesn't exist any other bar where are hanging more than 3 or 4 girls to choose from?

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1646901]1st off in your post you were talking about multiple interview stuff. And using the analogy of some guy walking around for half and hour for a restaurant to possibly insinuate a monger is doing the same thing just because he doesn't make up his mind to take a chica right thenand there.

None of that applies to what I posted, because I didn't say jack about multiple interviews. Mutiple meetings and multiple interviews are apples and oranges. Nor did I say or imply anything about a monger requiring multiple meetings. You yourself made it sound complicated by itemizing the individual times I met the chica. My emphasis and focus was on paying attention to the chica and what's going on during the time one is engaged. As it turns out, how I handled it probably saved me time and money. As opposed to the dude I know who wasted his time with the same chica. If her time was wasted because she got rejected, so be it.

Why should that concern me, YOU or any other monger? It goes with the territory. And if she can't accept that, then maybe she aint ready for this p4 p game. Now I don't know how many meetings he may have had with the chica. To me that shit is irrelevant to this conversation. Who cares? Many mongers meet chicas on the regular and arent ready to take them then. But will take a number to potentially hook up later. WTF is wrong with that? Besides she herself may be unavailable at the time he calls. Dudes know that. The chica can contact a potential client when she's free. Or the guy will eventually bump into her again. He still might not be ready or interested in taking a chica. Some dudes including myself, often just like flirting or engaging with chicas for the shear fun of it. Nothing complicated about any of this.

Perhaps you can explain what's complicated?[/QUOTE]Hey, whatever works for you!

Peace.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1646896]Interestingly, before this trip my intention was to go either to Brazil or the DR. I have had the best sex I've ever had from providers in Brazil, also the best bodies in the business are also in Brazil. As far as faces are concerned they are up there with Argentinians, Colombians, Europeans and Asians. Yet here I am in the DR. This is because after I computed my budgets for the two trips that to the DR was so significantly lower that in terms of value for money the poorer quality in the DR represented money better spent than what I would have expended in Brazil. One has to tabulate everything, namely, airfare, accommodation, restaurant, transportation and chicas. In all it comes up to about three times the cost of a similar trip to the DR. If I were wealthy, however, I would have no problem choosing Rio.[/QUOTE]I agree. Besides, stand 'them on their heads and they all look the same, hahaha.

The population of Rio is larger then then the Country of the DR. The women are smoking hot but for me it is all math. You need a visa for Brazil and the plane ticket is twice as much. We pay 35 for sex in the DR while going rate in Rio is over a 100 for an hour. Hotels and food are both slightly higher in Brazil. In truth I am getting good service from the DR ladies I sex.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1646896]Interestingly, before this trip my intention was to go either to Brazil or the DR. I have had the best sex I've ever had from providers in Brazil, also the best bodies in the business are also in Brazil. As far as faces are concerned they are up there with Argentinians, Colombians, Europeans and Asians. Yet here I am in the DR. This is because after I computed my budgets for the two trips that to the DR was so significantly lower that in terms of value for money the poorer quality in the DR represented money better spent than what I would have expended in Brazil. One has to tabulate everything, namely, airfare, accommodation, restaurant, transportation and chicas. In all it comes up to about three times the cost of a similar trip to the DR. If I were wealthy, however, I would have no problem choosing Rio.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1646957]The population of Rio is larger then then the Country of the DR. The women are smoking hot but for me it is all math. You need a visa for Brazil and the plane ticket is twice as much. We pay 35 for sex in the DR while going rate in Rio is over a 100 for an hour. Hotels and food are both slightly higher in Brazil. In truth I am getting good service from the DR ladies I sex.[/QUOTE]In the Sousa of 2006-2011 Its was a better bang per buck, but the new Sosua 2013 - Now, Most chicks want 3000-4000 pesos especially if she is a hottie and most are pretty wack in bed and only care about the Pesos, where your typical Brazil girl loves her job and there.

100 X times hotter than any dime hot (9, or 10) Dominican puta.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1646782]If you go to a high Quality termas expect to pay $110 US per hour (300 Brazil Real). But its well worth as your typical Brazilian girl is not a clock watcher and take pride in there jobs. They want to impress you and fuck the shit out of you hoping that they will get repeat.

Business. (or hopefully you will fall in love and marry them and take care of them). And Trust me its easy to fall in love, They got some of the best pussy on earth. Take it from a monger that has been everywhere.

Unlike in Sosua where these chicas only cares about today and don't worry about tomorrow. You can pay $40-$50 for some out of shape, bullet wounds, baby scars Dominican Chica. Or pay $110 and get you a Dime SuperModel with Flawless Skin and a Incredible Body![/QUOTE]I'm happy with Sosua, but the more I hear about Rio.....

I have to arrange a mongering trip with a well heeled buddy. Can you gives a short rundown on the scene there? I'm not so much interested in a trip report so much as a direct comparison with what we are familiar with in Sosua.

In Sosua, we have the street, the bars and the disco all on our doorstep.

Is the action in Rio in one main area, or spread out all over that big city? I prefer bar action over clubs, SW, Discos or Casas.

Appreciated.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1646896]Interestingly, before this trip my intention was to go either to Brazil or the DR. I have had the best sex I've ever had from providers in Brazil, also the best bodies in the business are also in Brazil. As far as faces are concerned they are up there with Argentinians, Colombians, Europeans and Asians. Yet here I am in the DR. This is because after I computed my budgets for the two trips that to the DR was so significantly lower that in terms of value for money the poorer quality in the DR represented money better spent than what I would have expended in Brazil. One has to tabulate everything, namely, airfare, accommodation, restaurant, transportation and chicas. In all it comes up to about three times the cost of a similar trip to the DR. If I were wealthy, however, I would have no problem choosing Rio.[/QUOTE]I think that your assessment is dead on.

As others have said, the women in Brazil are better looking. They are prettier, have better figures, and are better in the sack. Rio is also a much more fun destination as a whole.

However, as you rightly pointed out, a trip to Brazil is about 2. 5 times more expensive than a trip to POP in every respect, including the need to apply for a visa.

Its all about whether you will enjoy your vacation when getting a lesser product, taking solace in the fact that you are paying a lower price.

That being said, the one thing that the DR can offer that is different is the "resort" experience, at places like Blackbeards, FOD, and Oxygen (now closed). Many enjoy the relaxing, at your fingertips, point and shoot experience.

Everything said about the women of RDJ is true. But not only is it far more expensive it is far more dangerous too. No security at the places where you have to stay and you never know who is following you. Plus there is no specific scene there like in the DR and it is spread out all over the place and you never know when you might find yourself on a place where you would not want to be.

Did flight comparison 10 days in advance. SD $463 Rio $1840, enough said no brainer. If you read the rio forum all they do is complain about how prices are higher and Help is no longer there and things were better in the good old days.

[QUOTE=Bimmy5;1647025]Everything said about the women of RDJ is true. But not only is it far more expensive it is far more dangerous too. No security at the places where you have to stay and you never know who is following you. Plus there is no specific scene there like in the DR and it is spread out all over the place and you never know when you might find yourself on a place where you would not want to be.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Oakie;1646951]Hey, whatever works for you!

Peace.[/QUOTE]No shit! Ya shoulda understood that and applied it in the 1st place.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1647037]If you read the rio forum all they do is complain about how prices are higher and Help is no longer there and things were better in the good old days.[/QUOTE]Doesn't complaining go on in this thread? No more Clasico (during D'Latin era) and La Passion, bait and switch, leche papi leche, girls want more money for less GFE, chicks leaving before agreed upon time because of "problem at home" or as soon as you leche, street vendors,money changers, moto drivers, and beggars constantly a bother, better in the good old days... Where in the Rio thread is there a complaint about service though?

[QUOTE=Oakie;1646980]I'm happy with Sosua, but the more I hear about Rio.....

I have to arrange a mongering trip with a well heeled buddy. Can you gives a short rundown on the scene there? I'm not so much interested in a trip report so much as a direct comparison with what we are familiar with in Sosua.

In Sosua, we have the street, the bars and the disco all on our doorstep.

Is the action in Rio in one main area, or spread out all over that big city? I prefer bar action over clubs, SW, Discos or Casas.

Appreciated.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I'd like a little more info to regarding a comparison of DR chicas and Brazilian chicas.

What is it exactly that the Brazilian girls are doing in bed that is superior to the DR putas?

[QUOTE=Lou32;1647056]Yeah, I'd like a little more info to regarding a comparison of DR chicas and Brazilian chicas.

What is it exactly that the Brazilian girls are doing in bed that is superior to the DR putas?[/QUOTE]If you have HB0 there is a series that will give a perspective on how RIO women feel about sex. Good watch.

Grass is always greener pussy wetter. Got to learn how love what you have. SosuA is not perfect but dam 19 year old pussy for 35 dollars is still pretty awesome.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1647048]Doesn't complaining go on in this thread? No more Clasico (during D'Latin era) and La Passion, bait and switch, leche papi leche, girls want more money for less GFE, chicks leaving before agreed upon time because of "problem at home" or as soon as you leche, street vendors,money changers, moto drivers, and beggars constantly a bother, better in the good old days... Where in the Rio thread is there a complaint about service though?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1647061]Grass is always greener pussy wetter. Got to learn how love what you have. SosuA is not perfect but dam 19 year old pussy for 35 dollars is still pretty awesome.[/QUOTE]A case of you can't miss what you never had. You got a friend who got married right out of high school and knows no other women besides his wife. His friend is telling him how good the local strip club is. The strip club guy's friend is telling him how much better backpage is. You are telling the backpage guy how Sosua is the best thing since sliced bread. Guys on here are trying to tell you how much better Rio is than Sosua.

There are levels to it, but there are guys stuck on each level who are complacent and don't want to move out of their comfort zone for even one second. You can always go back to DR. It's not like if you go to Rio once you may not like it and will be forever banned from DR. In Rio there is 19 year old pussy for less than $35 as well.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1647075]A case of you can't miss what you never had. You got a friend who got married right out of high school and knows no other women besides his wife. His friend is telling him how good the local strip club is. The strip club guy's friend is telling him how much better backpage is. You are telling the backpage guy how Sosua is the best thing since sliced bread. Guys on here are trying to tell you how much better Rio is than Sosua.

There are levels to it, but there are guys stuck on each level who are complacent and don't want to move out of their comfort zone for even one second. You can always go back to DR. It's not like if you go to Rio once you may not like it and will be forever banned from DR. In Rio there is 19 year old pussy for less than $35 as well.[/QUOTE]I am few days away from my trip to Sosua. And reading the last topic makes me wonder what's the quality of women in Sosua. First I wouldn't travel to Rio just for pussy unless I have something else to do. If I was to go to Rio for 1 week, I would have to spend minimum 2,000 for flight and hotel. Probably $3,500 if I have to add food and pussy. That's a $500 daily average. With $500 daily, I can bang 2 to 3 strippers with a banging body in the US. That's equivalent to 7 to 10 quickies on backpage or craigslist. I have met sugar babies for 150 a night.

I have been contemplating going to Sosua for more than 2 years. I am finally going. I don't expect to meet only 9's or 10's body and face. I expect the same type of girls I will meet in a black strip clubs in US (most of them got a big ass and so so face).

I am not going to travel to Rio to have sex with only 10's because I am pretty sure I can have a 10 for less in the US or Sosua.

All I want is the girls in Sosua to be look better than those I will P4P in the US. If not, someone please tell me so I can just stay in Santo Domingo?

[QUOTE=OldKool;1646957]The population of Rio is larger then then the Country of the DR. The women are smoking hot but for me it is all math. You need a visa for Brazil and the plane ticket is twice as much. We pay 35 for sex in the DR while going rate in Rio is over a 100 for an hour. Hotels and food are both slightly higher in Brazil. In truth I am getting good service from the DR ladies I sex.[/QUOTE]You say your still getting good service from the girls you sex. I think that's because you're not totally depending on sosua pros. You have some girls from DC, you can dance, that makes a difference. A big difference IMO. I can dance a little bachata and merengue, my espanol is ok. I mess around with a few bartenders and a few girls from Facebook in addition to pros. I'm still hahaving fun in sosua. I think the key is to mix it up. It requires a little work. Learning some espanol, maybe some dance lessons. But the easy days of meeting a fun chica who will sex you good are coming to a close in my opinion. We're going to need to move and network. I got to do Brazil at least once! LOL maybe next year.

HBO US or HBO LA?

[QUOTE=Revere;1647059]If you have HB0 there is a series that will give a perspective on how RIO women feel about sex. Good watch.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Manny51;1647017]I think that your assessment is dead on.

As others have said, the women in Brazil are better looking. They are prettier, have better figures, and are better in the sack. Rio is also a much more fun destination as a whole.

However, as you rightly pointed out, a trip to Brazil is about 2. 5 times more expensive than a trip to POP in every respect, including the need to apply for a visa.

Its all about whether you will enjoy your vacation when getting a lesser product, taking solace in the fact that you are paying a lower price.

That being said, the one thing that the DR can offer that is different is the "resort" experience, at places like Blackbeards, FOD, and Oxygen (now closed). Many enjoy the relaxing, at your fingertips, point and shoot experience.[/QUOTE]Everybody has a comfort zone and people are scared of change, Just like in the United States, You try to tell guys about Sousa, Most guys will tell you why do you fly all the way to the Dominican Republic and pay all that Airfare and Hotel.

When you can go to your Local Strip Club or Backpage. You try to tell Guys that go to Sosua to try out Brazil and they will tell you why do you fly all the way to Rio? Its 2 x Times the Price and I can get the same-thing in Sosua.

Well its not, Its all about experience. Never be scared to try new things!

[QUOTE=Lou32;1647056]Yeah, I'd like a little more info to regarding a comparison of DR chicas and Brazilian chicas.

What is it exactly that the Brazilian girls are doing in bed that is superior to the DR putas?[/QUOTE]FS mentioned the difference in quality, skill and enthusiasm for their work, so I can imagine that part.

But, it's a big place. I was wondering is there a specific area (like Sosua) a monger should head for once he gets off the plane, or is there a little more work to it?

You can be very lazy in Sosua, and still not miss a thing.

[QUOTE=Bliadun;1647142]HBO US or HBO LA?[/QUOTE]HBO Latina.

I remember in my earliest tips to Brazil in the 80's tears would come to my eyes when I was returning home. It was actually a mixture of extreme happiness and extreme sadness. Extreme happiness because of the wonderful experience I would have had and extreme sadness because I'm leaving. Even in my last visit in 2007 I had that sad feeling when leaving Rio. However, there was always an overall feeling of euphoria in my Rio trips. There is no such feeling in trips to the DR. As a matter of fact during my trips there are many times when I have feelings of anger after encountering those unhappy leche papi rapido babes. I am not poor and for a hobbyist I'll say something unusual which is that I am cautious about how I spend my money. Of all my vices I spend the most on providers. However, the older I get the more scrupulous I am about managing my finances. I have drawn up a budget on how much money I must spend each year and were I to go to Brazil for a month that would mean I would have to spend many more months in sex prison as opposed to much less time in sex prison were I to go to cheaper destinations like the DR. And anyone would agree that as bad as the DR is it is much better than the US for our activities.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1647275]I remember in my earliest tips to Brazil in the 80's tears would come to my eyes when I was returning home. It was actually a mixture of extreme happiness and extreme sadness. Extreme happiness because of the wonderful experience I would have had and extreme sadness because I'm leaving. Even in my last visit in 2007 I had that sad feeling when leaving Rio. However, there was always an overall feeling of euphoria in my Rio trips. There is no such feeling in trips to the DR. As a matter of fact during my trips there are many times when I have feelings of anger after encountering those unhappy leche papi rapido babes. I am not poor and for a hobbyist I'll say something unusual which is that I am cautious about how I spend my money. Of all my vices I spend the most on providers. However, the older I get the more scrupulous I am about managing my finances. I have drawn up a budget on how much money I must spend each year and were I to go to Brazil for a month that would mean I would have to spend many more months in sex prison as opposed to much less time in sex prison were I to go to cheaper destinations like the DR. And anyone would agree that as bad as the DR is it is much better than the US for our activities.[/QUOTE]The sad part is that some of the visitors to Sosua never got the chance to visit Sosua pre 2009. The girls were sweet little kittens all about pleasing, money was secondary and usually paid just to get them to leave you alone. Sosua to me now is about finding that hidden gem who is not as hardcore as the PC girls. Rumbas, Classicos are just walk through for me to show my face but the chicas in these spots couldn't get a " hola" from me.

In a way I've been doubling back my last few Sosua trips, fucking girls I never would consider pre 2009. I guess these are just clean up trips for me. Now an average looking Chica who is down to earth and humble has a chance whereas before it was only fine girls.

In the " Old Sosua" it was a crime to go home alone, now I have no problem just hanging out and not getting pussy. I would rather have a beach girl come to my hotel after she works, or a side bar worker getting off late to hunt nowadays.

In a way we are a product of Rio in this new Sosua. Rio made guys step up their game or get on an airplane with their feelings hurt. These sport fuckers started to come to Sosua in 2010 with the shut down of Rio. Gradually over the last 4 years sport fucking took over and GFE was gone. With sport fucking and fast money the girls in the DR adjusted to the new game. The sweet GFE girls went back to the barrios to get pregnant by Dominican boyfriend and the SD girls began to dominate with their hustle mentality. Few over nighters, no more GFE, condom blowjobs, and rushed service.

In a way guys who haven't taken the time to learn the language and culture deserve to be stuck in a hardcore Sosua.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1647275]. I have drawn up a budget on how much money I must spend each year and were I to go to Brazil for a month that would mean I would have to spend many more months in sex prison as opposed to much less time in sex prison were I to go to cheaper destinations like the DR. And anyone would agree that as bad as the DR is it is much better than the US for our activities.[/QUOTE]This is why I haven't let Mr. E take me on his weekly visits of the world. And especially Brazil as of yet. It seems like the budget of Brazil is going to leave me in sex prison here in the US for three months. My budget allows for me to spend at least 5 to 11 days a week every month in the DR. I'm stuck in this poor man's paradise. I do want to venture off like SavePro, Mr E, Mr. G and the rest of you guys. Y'all are big city Player. The area sounds so big to this country Boi. Mr. E has a few more years on his visa so Bro P we have to throw it in our future plans.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1647275]I remember in my earliest tips to Brazil in the 80's tears would come to my eyes when I was returning home. It was actually a mixture of extreme happiness and extreme sadness. Extreme happiness because of the wonderful experience I would have had and extreme sadness because I'm leaving. Even in my last visit in 2007 I had that sad feeling when leaving Rio. However, there was always an overall feeling of euphoria in my Rio trips. There is no such feeling in trips to the DR. As a matter of fact during my trips there are many times when I have feelings of anger after encountering those unhappy leche papi rapido babes. I am not poor and for a hobbyist I'll say something unusual which is that I am cautious about how I spend my money. Of all my vices I spend the most on providers. However, the older I get the more scrupulous I am about managing my finances. I have drawn up a budget on how much money I must spend each year and were I to go to Brazil for a month that would mean I would have to spend many more months in sex prison as opposed to much less time in sex prison were I to go to cheaper destinations like the DR. And anyone would agree that as bad as the DR is it is much better than the US for our activities.[/QUOTE]One simple cure for avoiding "leche papi rapido" chica encounters: GET OUT OF SOSUA, LOL!

Mr. Gogo, Mr. Enternational, Tempoecorto, they are always all over the island picking up chicas and are never in Sosua for more than a couple of days. Learn from them. Sosua is mongering with training wheels. Go to Santo Domingo for grownup mongering. You may get your ass kicked a few times (flake-why chicas, rip-off taxis, etc.), but the women you meet will be much more friendly and less of clock watchers than the ones you are meeting in that open-air puteria called Sosua.

Just like you wouldn't expect GFE from a streewalker in the US who is looking for a quick trick, don't expect too much in Sosua. It's just a bonus if you happen to find it.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1647321]One simple cure for avoiding "leche papi rapido" chica encounters: GET OUT OF SOSUA, LOL!

Mr. Gogo, Mr. Enternational, Tempoecorto, they are always all over the island picking up chicas and are never in Sosua for more than a couple of days. Learn from them. Sosua is mongering with training wheels. Go to Santo Domingo for grownup mongering. You may get your ass kicked a few times (flake-why chicas, rip-off taxis, etc.), but the women you meet will be much more friendly and less of clock watchers than the ones you are meeting in that open-air puteria called Sosua.

Just like you wouldn't expect GFE from a streewalker in the US who is looking for a quick trick, don't expect too much in Sosua. It's just a bonus if you happen to find it.[/QUOTE]Its deeper than that. I can get a hardcore Brazil Pro Girl that has been in the game for years, and she will fuck me silly like that's the last dick she will ever get before she goes to prison. LOL. Brazil women are full of energy but I guess its because they work out and take.

Care of there bodies. I understand people hate change and everybody likes there comfort zone. But its a big wide world don't limit your options to one place. Just like I try to tell my american friends in the United States Matrix about Sosua, and they come up with excuses.

About why travel thousands of miles when I can just go to a strip club or hit up backpage. I'm trying to tell them Sosua is different then your average street working girl in america, but some people like comfort and would rather deal with something they know instead of.

Exploring new things.

[QUOTE=Bimmy5;1647025]Everything said about the women of RDJ is true. But not only is it far more expensive it is far more dangerous too. No security at the places where you have to stay and you never know who is following you. Plus there is no specific scene there like in the DR and it is spread out all over the place and you never know when you might find yourself on a place where you would not want to be.[/QUOTE]I've never been to Brazil nor do I have any intention of going for the simple reason that I have struggled to learn enough spanish to get me by and it does me no good in Brazil. Then there is the safety factor, count how many cities in Brazil are on this list, WTF.

[URL]http://www.businessinsider.com/the-most-violent-cities-in-the-world-2014-11?op=1[/URL]

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1647334]I've never been to Brazil nor do I have any intention of going for the simple reason that I have struggled to learn enough spanish to get me by and it does me no good in Brazil. Then there is the safety factor, count how many cities in Brazil are on this list, WTF.

[URL]http://www.businessinsider.com/the-most-violent-cities-in-the-world-2014-11?op=1[/URL][/QUOTE]You sound like the typical dumb American that is to scared to leave your mothers nest. Also Brazilians don't speak Spanish, they speak Portuguese. And Also Brazil (Rio De Janeiro) is a very safe place and clean place. Its not like the 80's or 90's like before.

Also if your a Gringo This is the best time because the Police lock down everything in preparation for the Olympics. The last thing they need is bad press, on Gringos getting killed or robbed. All you need is a little street smarts Just like if you were walking in NewYork or Chicago, Leave your Rolex at home.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1647334]I've never been to Brazil nor do I have any intention of going for the simple reason that I have struggled to learn enough spanish to get me by and it does me no good in Brazil. Then there is the safety factor, count how many cities in Brazil are on this list, WTF.

[URL]http://www.businessinsider.com/the-most-violent-cities-in-the-world-2014-11?op=1[/URL][/QUOTE]Second great point I was going to make! I don't even know how to say Hello, in Portuguese!

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1647321]One simple cure for avoiding "leche papi rapido" chica encounters: GET OUT OF SOSUA, LOL!

Mr. Gogo, Mr. Enternational, Tempoecorto, they are always all over the island picking up chicas and are never in Sosua for more than a couple of days. Learn from them. Sosua is mongering with training wheels. Go to Santo Domingo for grownup mongering. You may get your ass kicked a few times (flake-why chicas, rip-off taxis, etc.), but the women you meet will be much more friendly and less of clock watchers than the ones you are meeting in that open-air puteria called Sosua.

Just like you wouldn't expect GFE from a streewalker in the US who is looking for a quick trick, don't expect too much in Sosua. It's just a bonus if you happen to find it.[/QUOTE]Another option is the DC dating site for meeting up with Chicas which I have had great luck with. Sosua very simply is a "sport fucking" place and if it wasn't for the beautiful beaches and surfing spots I wouldn't be spending so much time here.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1647037]Did flight comparison 10 days in advance. SD $463 Rio $1840, enough said no brainer. If you read the rio forum all they do is complain about how prices are higher and Help is no longer there and things were better in the good old days.[/QUOTE]I wanted to see how it would work from Florida after reading all the good reviews of Brazilian women and Brazil. The cost of flying is minimum 4 times higher and flight time is also minimum 4 times longer as compared to DR. I have a regular job and limited vacation time. For the time being Brazil is out of picture for me when I take into account the cost and flying time. It may be an option when I retire!

I have had good results with Cupid but I put in time vetting the girls. Many girls claim to be looking for husband and serious relationship. I try to be as honest as possible and not lead them on. Once you can laugh and joke with them you csn set your own ground rules. I have been seeing over years. Being able to not having strings takes some work. BE straight forward and honest. Many of the cupid girls know why we are here and are cool with it.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1647351]Another option is the DC dating site for meeting up with Chicas which I have had great luck with. Sosua very simply is a "sport fucking" place and if it wasn't for the beautiful beaches and surfing spots I wouldn't be spending so much time here.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Durandpaul;1647107]I am few days away from my trip to Sosua. And reading the last topic makes me wonder what's the quality of women in Sosua. First I wouldn't travel to Rio just for pussy unless I have something else to do. If I was to go to Rio for 1 week, I would have to spend minimum 2,000 for flight and hotel. Probably $3,500 if I have to add food and pussy. That's a $500 daily average. With $500 daily, I can bang 2 to 3 strippers with a banging body in the US. That's equivalent to 7 to 10 quickies on backpage or craigslist. I have met sugar babies for 150 a night.

I have been contemplating going to Sosua for more than 2 years. I am finally going. I don't expect to meet only 9's or 10's body and face. I expect the same type of girls I will meet in a black strip clubs in US (most of them got a big ass and so so face).

I am not going to travel to Rio to have sex with only 10's because I am pretty sure I can have a 10 for less in the US or Sosua.

All I want is the girls in Sosua to be look better than those I will P4P in the US. If not, someone please tell me so I can just stay in Santo Domingo?[/QUOTE]You are making a good choice my man. Since the DR I haven't seen, been on, or given a fuck about BP. Not even when I was in the Atl and Mia. The girls wants their money at the door, and you are in her controlled environment under her rules. Nut or don't nut times up. Your problem. She cut your time. Your problem. You paid at the door so you are stuck with the session. There is not a word call semi-pro on BP. Top Sosua dimes can get paid 1 to 3 times a week. BP dimes 2 to 3 times a day. As Surfer said DC can possibly get you a GFE from a 18-22 youngling fresh on the block. Sosua can provide the jab jab stick and move sports fucking with chicas 2 levels prettier than the US. A DR 6 or 7 chica is a US 8 or 9 girl. I will hold out for the DR or JMD before I ever BP again. All BP hoes are as hardcore as a MIA stripers.

I did SD my 2nd two trips to the DR. SD is for the more advance monger. Ride with Sosua a few rounds speaking Spanish in not a killer and the small area in more monger friendly.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1647367]I have had good results with Cupid but I put in time vetting the girls. Many girls claim to be looking for husband and serious relationship. I try to be as honest as possible and not lead them on. Once you can laugh and joke with them you csn set your own ground rules. I have been seeing over years. Being able to not having strings takes some work. BE straight forward and honest. Many of the cupid girls know why we are here and are cool with it.[/QUOTE]I LIE!. I tell them a married to an very wealth older Puerto Rican woman that owns a clothing store and hates Dominican women- I don't work. She gives my money and I give it to my Dominican novias. The semi-pros really like that story. Or I am a retied Police Officer looking to buy a house and retire here in this country. Or I am here on official police business and I have to return to PC in a few day for my job. Ok so I am a liar sometimes. I read the chica, her intentions, and sometimes lie accordingly. My mother is Haitian or Grandfather is Dominican works well.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1647336]You sound like the typical dumb American that is to scared to leave your mothers nest. Also Brazilians don't speak Spanish, they speak Portuguese. And Also Brazil (Rio De Janeiro) is a very safe place and clean place. Its not like the 80's or 90's like before.

Also if your a Gringo This is the best time because the Police lock down everything in preparation for the Olympics. The last thing they need is bad press, on Gringos getting killed or robbed. All you need is a little street smarts Just like if you were walking in NewYork or Chicago, Leave your Rolex at home.[/QUOTE]Forcesteeler, I live in Colombia six months of the year and the DR the other half, I don't live in my mother's basement and I'm no dumb gringo. What I was trying to say was that after learning spanish I wasn't going to pay big bucks to go to a country in South America that did not speak spanish. You sir sound like the dumb gringo that would be naive enough to say that Brazil is a very safe place. Neither Brazil, Colombia, or the DR are safe. All you can do is reduce the danger by practicing certain protocols. Try living with the locals in one of these countries for a few months, they themselves will tell you that it is dangerous. My live in girlfriends in both the DR and Colombia watch me like a fucking hawk because they know we are targets.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1647411]I LIE!. I tell them a married to an very wealth older Puerto Rican woman that owns a clothing store and hates Dominican women- I don't work. She gives my money and I give it to my Dominican novias. The semi-pros really like that story. Or I am a retied Police Officer looking to buy a house and retire here in this country. Or I am here on official police business and I have to return to PC in a few day for my job. Ok so I am a liar sometimes. I read the chica, her intentions, and sometimes lie accordingly. My mother is Haitian or Grandfather is Dominican works well.[/QUOTE]I have been chatting with girls on tagged already. I am telling then that I am going to Sosua because I want to move to DR. And I want to know which town is better for me since I can work from home anywhere in the world. I am also planning to bring my old laptop do to some work over there. That will be my excuse when I want to be alone.

[QUOTE=Durandpaul;1647422]I have been chatting with girls on tagged already. I am telling then that I am going to Sosua because I want to move to DR. And I want to know which town is better for me since I can work from home anywhere in the world. I am also planning to bring my old laptop do to some work over there. That will be my excuse when I want to be alone.[/QUOTE]That only works ok for the chicas in Sosua. No chica out of SD, STI, PP, PC, LM, or ain't other area wants to have a potential novio living in Sosua. I am in Sosua with friend but I want to move to PP or STI is better for the north coast chica.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1647414]Forcesteeler, I live in Colombia six months of the year and the DR the other half, I don't live in my mother's basement and I'm no dumb gringo. What I was trying to say was that after learning spanish I wasn't going to pay big bucks to go to a country in South America that did not speak spanish. You sir sound like the dumb gringo that would be naive enough to say that Brazil is a very safe place. Neither Brazil, Colombia, or the DR are safe. All you can do is reduce the danger by practicing certain protocols. Try living with the locals in one of these countries for a few months, they themselves will tell you that it is dangerous. My live in girlfriends in both the DR and Colombia watch me like a fucking hawk because they know we are targets.[/QUOTE]Everywhere is dangerous, NewYork is dangerous, Chicago is Dangerous, California is Dangerous That does not mean I would not travel to NY, Chicago or Cali, I just have to have street smarts, I remember when everybody said I was crazy to travel to Columbia because.

You will get kidnap or killed, but when I travel to Medellin Columbia, it was the most beautiful women and some of the most friendly people you can ever meet. The Whole point is stop listening to people and go experience the world or you will miss out on alot.

If I had listen to my friends I would of never traveled to DR, Columbia, Brazil, The Philippines, etc. And miss out on alot of beautiful women and I hate when people talk about a country and never traveled there to go experience for themselves they just go by what other.

People say.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1647448]That only works ok for the chicas in Sosua. No chica out of SD, STI, PP, PC, LM, or ain't other area wants to have a potential novio living in Sosua. I am in Sosua with friend but I want to move to PP or STI is better for the north coast chica.[/QUOTE]Good advice because all the chicas know what goes on in Sosua and there are very few chicas on DC that live in Sosua.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1647285]The sad part is that some of the visitors to Sosua never got the chance to visit Sosua pre 2009. The girls were sweet little kittens all about pleasing, money was secondary and usually paid just to get them to leave you alone. Sosua to me now is about finding that hidden gem who is not as hardcore as the PC girls. Rumbas, Classicos are just walk through for me to show my face but the chicas in these spots couldn't get a " hola" from me.

In a way I've been doubling back my last few Sosua trips, fucking girls I never would consider pre 2009. I guess these are just clean up trips for me. Now an average looking Chica who is down to earth and humble has a chance whereas before it was only fine girls.

In the " Old Sosua" it was a crime to go home alone, now I have no problem just hanging out and not getting pussy. I would rather have a beach girl come to my hotel after she works, or a side bar worker getting off late to hunt nowadays.

In a way we are a product of Rio in this new Sosua. Rio made guys step up their game or get on an airplane with their feelings hurt. These sport fuckers started to come to Sosua in 2010 with the shut down of Rio. Gradually over the last 4 years sport fucking took over and GFE was gone. With sport fucking and fast money the girls in the DR adjusted to the new game. The sweet GFE girls went back to the barrios to get pregnant by Dominican boyfriend and the SD girls began to dominate with their hustle mentality. Few over nighters, no more GFE, condom blowjobs, and rushed service.

In a way guys who haven't taken the time to learn the language and culture deserve to be stuck in a hardcore Sosua.[/QUOTE]That's the best take on what has happened to Sosua I have seen. Says it all.

I met my GF years ago in a different Sosua. You could never use the word "innocent" to ever descibe Sosua, but SW aside, there was a naivety of attitude, and a fun sense that anything is possible, and a lot more emphasis on relationships and getting to know the other person.

The main goal of a lot the chicas in those days was to potentially hook up with a "rich" foreigner (all foreigners were considered rich), either an ex-pat living there, or a guy that could take them out of the country and take care of them (and family indirectly). The ring! It was a mark of pride and success among chicas.

I have seen a lot of those chicas from the crowd we knew do just that and have married there or moved accross the world. They are always showing me pictures of the new babies, from Germany, the States etc on their cell phones. "remember so and so? "say Hi for me".

Those marriages seem to turn out well for them, and I never hear of any horror stories about how it all went bad.

That could have been me because we were grooming each other for that kind of thing. Over time I realized at my advanced age I could never live there and there was no culture, here in cold Canada, in which she would thrive.

So now we are good friends who enjoy spending the occasional week together, whether in her apartment in her town, far from tourists, beaches, gringos and clubs, or, because I am still an inveterate girl watcher, Sosua for a beach vacation.

And if I can manage to get down there a day or two before her, I can still do a little SF on the side, although it's never as good as with somebody you've known for years, and trust implicitly.

Regular GF, a different way to go, but highly recommended.

The hard part is finding that gem. I was lucky!

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1647411]I LIE!. I tell them a married to an very wealth older Puerto Rican woman that owns a clothing store and hates Dominican women- I don't work. She gives my money and I give it to my Dominican novias. The semi-pros really like that story. Or I am a retied Police Officer looking to buy a house and retire here in this country. Or I am here on official police business and I have to return to PC in a few day for my job. Ok so I am a liar sometimes. I read the chica, her intentions, and sometimes lie accordingly. My mother is Haitian or Grandfather is Dominican works well.[/QUOTE]I thought you were telling all these Chicas you where a young retired tycoon looking for a wife to marry and have babies with.

How dare you lie to these young innocent women!

And with the Haitian Chicas your telling them your mother is Haitian so you can continue the bloodline.

I bet their panties come off quickly with that line.

The married to an older Puerto Rican woman who owns a clothing store is a good one as well.

Married to Mr. Nordstom is probably all those Chicas can think about after seeing all the apparel you have with you.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1647511]Everywhere is dangerous, NewYork is dangerous, Chicago is Dangerous, California is Dangerous That does not mean I would not travel to NY, Chicago or Cali, I just have to have street smarts, I remember when everybody said I was crazy to travel to Columbia[/QUOTE]It's spelled Col-O-mbia by the way. Everywhere is dangerous? You said Rio is VERY safe, make up your mind.

I have hobbied in both Sosua and Santo Domingo and my advice to the average American wishing to monger in the Dominican Republic is to go to Sosua. I have had leche papi providers in both places. The ambience of Sosua is much more pleasant than SD. Sosua has a relaxed vacation atmosphere, good value for money hotels within mere minutes walk from a great beach. Also there is easy access to other tourist activities besides seabathing. The chicas are at arms length in Sosua whereas in SD you will more than likely require a taxi to get to them. In Sosua it is very easy to hook up with fellow Americans and trade stories. Having mongered throughout the world in places such as India and Trinidad, Santo Domingo is a piece of cake for me but for the average American it would not be enjoyable. Hot and polluted with maddening traffic and very noisy. SD motorists love blaring their car horns. One has to be very careful walking the streets as the drivers have no concern for pedrestrians. I would advise anyone who wishes to monger in a city atmosphere to go instead to places like Panama city, San Jose or Tijuana, these places are a little more expensive than SD, although by not all that much, but the average US monger will fare better there. I would visit SD because as the years go by I tend to gravitate towards the cheaper destinations mainly because I've done it all, I have banged the superhotties and now at the end of the day for me its just about bustin a nut. So if your wish is to monger in the Dominican Republic my advice would be to stay in Sosua. If you want to play the tourist by all means visit Santo Domingo, Santiago, Punta Cana etc.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1647728]I have hobbied in both Sosua and Santo Domingo and my advice to the average American wishing to monger in the Dominican Republic is to go to Sosua. I have had leche papi providers in both places. The ambience of Sosua is much more pleasant than SD. Sosua has a relaxed vacation atmosphere, good value for money hotels within mere minutes walk from a great beach. Also there is easy access to other tourist activities besides seabathing. The chicas are at arms length in Sosua whereas in SD you will more than likely require a taxi to get to them. In Sosua it is very easy to hook up with fellow Americans and trade stories. Having mongered throughout the world in places such as India and Trinidad, Santo Domingo is a piece of cake for me but for the average American it would not be enjoyable. Hot and polluted with maddening traffic and very noisy. SD motorists love blaring their car horns. One has to be very careful walking the streets as the drivers have no concern for pedrestrians. I would advise anyone who wishes to monger in a city atmosphere to go instead to places like Panama city, San Jose or Tijuana, these places are a little more expensive than SD, although by not all that much, but the average US monger will fare better there. I would visit SD because as the years go by I tend to gravitate towards the cheaper destinations mainly because I've done it all, I have banged the superhotties and now at the end of the day for me its just about bustin a nut. So if your wish is to monger in the Dominican Republic my advice would be to stay in Sosua. If you want to play the tourist by all means visit Santo Domingo, Santiago, Punta Cana etc.[/QUOTE]Great post!

I am a year one monger rookie and my Spanish is a 2 on a scale of 1 to 10.

I was in Puerto Plata earlier this month and I noticed the place is crawling with hot chicas. Have you ever mongered in Puerto Plata and how would you compare the scene to Sosua for a newbie such as myself?

Am using an award ticket to fly into SDQ for a first trip to the the. Are. (airline doesn't go to POP or PUJ). Am arriving at 2:16 pm On a Wednesday and departing out at 3:10 pm The next Monday, so hours are civilized. Would like to get to / from Sosua, presumably by bus, the same day of the flight in both directions. Is this do-able without having to overnight in Santo Domingo? How good are the bus services? Do you have to go from the airport to the city first on the SDQ side?

While it's my first DR trip, I've been to Thailand, the Philippines, Cambodia, Costa Rica and a few other places and had to do this sort of thing before. Any advice appreciated.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1647511]Everywhere is dangerous, NewYork is dangerous, Chicago is Dangerous, California is Dangerous That does not mean I would not travel to NY, Chicago or Cali, I just have to have street smarts, I remember when everybody said I was crazy to travel to Columbia because.

You will get kidnap or killed, but when I travel to Medellin Columbia, it was the most beautiful women and some of the most friendly people you can ever meet. The Whole point is stop listening to people and go experience the world or you will miss out on alot.

If I had listen to my friends I would of never traveled to DR, Columbia, Brazil, The Philippines, etc. And miss out on alot of beautiful women and I hate when people talk about a country and never traveled there to go experience for themselves they just go by what other.

People say.[/QUOTE]For a normal tourist monger big cities like Rio, Medellin, Bogota, Santo Domingo are more dangerous than a little town like Sosua.

In big cities you are dependent of untrustworthy taxi drivers and have to know very good which places in the city are a "no go zone" for you, in some places you go better during the day only.

But you are right, never it's so dangerous how people describe it from outside.

P.S. Please excuse may bad English, it is not my native language.

[QUOTE=Ploughman;1647982]Am using an award ticket to fly into SDQ for a first trip to the the. Are. (airline doesn't go to POP or PUJ). Am arriving at 2:16 pm On a Wednesday and departing out at 3:10 pm The next Monday, so hours are civilized. Would like to get to / from Sosua, presumably by bus, the same day of the flight in both directions. Is this do-able without having to overnight in Santo Domingo? How good are the bus services? Do you have to go from the airport to the city first on the SDQ side?

While it's my first DR trip, I've been to Thailand, the Philippines, Cambodia, Costa Rica and a few other places and had to do this sort of thing before. Any advice appreciated.[/QUOTE]I fly to SDQ and take a taxi to caribe tours. It is about 30 minutes ride. Then I take a bus to Puerto Plata. It is about 5 hours ride. Sosua is next stop about 30 minutes more. Buses are good and there is a bus every hour between 6 AM and 7 PM. I stay in Santo Domingo one night before my flight back just in case if there is a problem with bus and I don't want to take a chance.

[QUOTE=Ploughman;1647982]Am using an award ticket to fly into SDQ for a first trip to the the. Are. (airline doesn't go to POP or PUJ). Am arriving at 2:16 pm On a Wednesday and departing out at 3:10 pm The next Monday, so hours are civilized. Would like to get to / from Sosua, presumably by bus, the same day of the flight in both directions. Is this do-able without having to overnight in Santo Domingo? How good are the bus services? Do you have to go from the airport to the city first on the SDQ side?

While it's my first DR trip, I've been to Thailand, the Philippines, Cambodia, Costa Rica and a few other places and had to do this sort of thing before. Any advice appreciated.[/QUOTE]This topic has been covered at great length here.

If you take the time to browse back a few pages you will find some excellent advice including a variety of options and costs.

The buses are modern and reliable. Carib tours runs on the hour until almost 6 PM. Metro Bus last bus leaves at 4 pm for Sosua, Metro bus drops you off walking distance from everything, Carib you will need a cab, For return trip Carib has a 6 am bus. Gets you in town by 11;30.

Based on your time table catch Metro Bus 4 pm for Sosua. Cab ride will take about 35 minutes and cost 35 bucks. If you have a problem and can not get there by 4 carib tours is an option, Bring a sweater the air condition is freezing. You can leave early Monday morning and be in SD in plenty of time to get your flight. Some porters at the bus station will give you a ride to airport for a 1000 pesos.

[QUOTE=Ploughman;1647982]Am using an award ticket to fly into SDQ for a first trip to the the. Are. (airline doesn't go to POP or PUJ). Am arriving at 2:16 pm On a Wednesday and departing out at 3:10 pm The next Monday, so hours are civilized. Would like to get to / from Sosua, presumably by bus, the same day of the flight in both directions. Is this do-able without having to overnight in Santo Domingo? How good are the bus services? Do you have to go from the airport to the city first on the SDQ side?

While it's my first DR trip, I've been to Thailand, the Philippines, Cambodia, Costa Rica and a few other places and had to do this sort of thing before. Any advice appreciated.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1648057]The buses are modern and reliable. Carib tours runs on the hour until almost 6 PM. Metro Bus last bus leaves at 4 pm for Sosua, Metro bus drops you off walking distance from everything, Carib you will need a cab, For return trip Carib has a 6 am bus. Gets you in town by 11;30.

Based on your time table catch Metro Bus 4 pm for Sosua. Cab ride will take about 35 minutes and cost 35 bucks. If you have a problem and can not get there by 4 carib tours is an option, Bring a sweater the air condition is freezing. You can leave early Monday morning and be in SD in plenty of time to get your flight. Some porters at the bus station will give you a ride to airport for a 1000 pesos.[/QUOTE]Caribe Tours also has an express bus to Sosua that leaves on the half hour starting at 2:30,3:30,4:30 and 5:30. , I think. The 4 o'clock and 4:30 buses sell out quickly.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1648100]Caribe Tours also has an express bus to Sosua that leaves on the half hour starting at 2:30,3:30,4:30 and 5:30. , I think. The 4 o'clock and 4:30 buses sell out quickly.[/QUOTE]I just checked Mani and they only display the hourly bus at the top of the hour for 330 p. It would be great if they did have an express bus; but that would make too much sense for the Dominicans to do.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1648100]Caribe Tours also has an express bus to Sosua that leaves on the half hour starting at 2:30,3:30,4:30 and 5:30. , I think. The 4 o'clock and 4:30 buses sell out quickly.[/QUOTE]I seen a new Caribe Tours station located at the beginning of the road to Sosua. About five minutes from the airport. I haven't seen or noticed it before. I hope that means you do not have to go into the city of Santa Domingo now.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1648108]I seen a new Caribe Tours station located at the beginning of the road to Sosua. About five minutes from the airport. I haven't seen or noticed it before. I hope that means you do not have to go into the city of Santa Domingo now.[/QUOTE]If you mean the place near La Union, that has been there for at least eight years. I think they use it to park the buses as there is no room in Los Charamicos. Maybe they have service facilities there.

It might make sense to make it into a public stop but only of they provided a free or cheap shuttle from the airport and El Batey that met departures and arrivals. And that might start all sorts of contractual wars with Metro and the transport unions.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1645311]I have mentioned this many times in my posts in this forum: the last time I was in Sosua back in May 2012 I was hanging around Merengue Bar (which is downstair from Classicos) and I noticed that all the very hot chicas did not walk the strip to get to Classicos: they took a motochoncho right up to the entrance. You did not see any of these chicas trolling around Sosua during the day. As my man GrownMan says: these "hotties" were looking for the big payout. Not these 1000,1500, 2000 quick tricks here and there. All she needs is one or two guys to pay her 4000 for a quick fuck and she is done for the night.[/QUOTE]The very hot chicas who worked before in a SD nightclub don't like to walk the strip. This is contrary to their self-understanding.

And they want avoid trouble with the Sosua Police so they avoid trolling the streets. They are not accustomed to working on the street.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1626181]Stopped by Bar Central last night about 9 PM and there was a sign saying that no un-escorted women were allowed inside. The place was literally empty which typically is not the case on a Friday night at this time. I asked the bouncer at the door what this was all about and was informed that they didn't want several women hanging around inside the bar all the time with a few males inside. I really couldn't understand him well and I'm assuming that the signage was not something initiated by the owner. Seems very strange as though pressure is being put on Bar Central by somebody, and why aren't there any signs like that posted at Rumbas. Anybody know what this is all about?[/QUOTE]There are still many girls in Bar Central or it has changed to a boring place?

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1648108]I seen a new Caribe Tours station located at the beginning of the road to Sosua. About five minutes from the airport. I haven't seen or noticed it before. I hope that means you do not have to go into the city of Santa Domingo now.[/QUOTE]That is the SD-Las Americas station. It has been there for a while. Buses from that station head up the John Paul II toll road. Looking at the site, the farthest west buses go from there up north is Rio San Juan. They also go to Samana to the east.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1648136]If you mean the place near La Union, that has been there for at least eight years. I think they use it to park the buses as there is no room in Los Charamicos. Maybe they have service facilities there.[/QUOTE]OK, ignore this. I misunderstood GrownMan's post. Sorry.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1648191]That is the SD-Las Americas station. It has been there for a while. Buses from that station head up the John Paul II toll road. Looking at the site, the farthest west buses go from there up north is Rio San Juan. They also go to Samana to the east.[/QUOTE]Does those buses also go to Sosua. It seems like it would save a lot of people money and time if it does. No harm done Charles.

My first trip to Sosua was late Spring 2014 and my most recent trip was earlier this month.

It seems as if the chicas have hardened in just a few short months but it could be my imagination.

Is is possible that the average chica from SDQ or wherever has dropped any hint of GFE service in a few short months or do the chicas pretty much have the same attitudes that they've had year after year?

A veteran's perspective is appreciated.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1648221]My first trip to Sosua was late Spring 2014 and my most recent trip was earlier this month.

It seems as if the chicas have hardened in just a few short months but it could be my imagination.

Is is possible that the average chica from SDQ or wherever has dropped any hint of GFE service in a few short months or do the chicas pretty much have the same attitudes that they've had year after year?

A veteran's perspective is appreciated.[/QUOTE]Go back a couple pages to my post number 22331 and you will get your answers. I'm on delay so my posts don't hit directly and usually get buried behind other posts.

The girls are there to make money. Guys in Sosua are there sport fucking. Girls who try to hook up for more are often rebuffed. I think the coldness is a product of guys sport fucking. They see how we roll. We are out every night looking for new pussy. Most guys speak very little Spanish so any thing more then a quicky is not possible.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1648221]My first trip to Sosua was late Spring 2014 and my most recent trip was earlier this month.

It seems as if the chicas have hardened in just a few short months but it could be my imagination.

Is is possible that the average chica from SDQ or wherever has dropped any hint of GFE service in a few short months or do the chicas pretty much have the same attitudes that they've had year after year?

A veteran's perspective is appreciated.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lou32;1648221]My first trip to Sosua was late Spring 2014 and my most recent trip was earlier this month.

It seems as if the chicas have hardened in just a few short months but it could be my imagination.

Is is possible that the average chica from SDQ or wherever has dropped any hint of GFE service in a few short months or do the chicas pretty much have the same attitudes that they've had year after year?

A veteran's perspective is appreciated.[/QUOTE]Defined "hardened". I been going there since Feb. 2005. I was there March / April, July and October. I was there in 2010 and then this year. There IS a progressive "vibe". I was at New Garden and Casa Valeria.

I'll say the chicas are "progressive" I'm sorry I don't congregate with the other, because I'm always there alone. One G. Was havin trouble form a chica. He said she "forced" herself in his room then demanded different compensation at the finish. I he spoke of 2500 and gave her more to leave. He's been goin there for years. I don't know the 1000 p chica but I still give 1500- 2000 TLN as I feel them out take it or go.

I don't have problems like my friend yet I don't discuss what they do before hand I just get a price. Look like you ain't taking no shit. I pulled from Rumba but mostly I hooked up on tagged, Hi 5 etc. I bounce their ass out.

At the first bad syllables said. Before there was Europeans mostly, then we arrived projecting an unspoken code of values Based on our first world experiences, and they pickup on it.

Do this and you lose every time. Don't assume the "pecking" order mentality used in your home countries. Most pick woman they might get at home, I go for the ones out my reach at home. Stay thirsty my friend.

It seems as if the chicas have hardened in just a few short months but it could be my imagination.

Is is possible that the average chica from SDQ or wherever has dropped any hint of GFE service in a few short months or do the chicas pretty much have the same attitudes that they've had year after year?

A veteran's perspective is appreciated.

For the past three years I've made 6 -8 trips per year to Sosua. I certainly don't claim to be an expert. However, I've noticed many of them get harden quick! Some of the chicas I had good times with in the past I wouldn't take now. I guess in part it's because most guys there are sport f*rs. But I suspect peer pressure plays a part. The girls pass ALOT of info about guys, especially regular guys. I suspect some of the chicas advise others on what is and isn't acceptable. A few chica s I know are as fun and GFE as they always were. But I consider them the exception to the rule. Mi dos centavos.

I have always had a somewhat crazy pre-trip routine, but it has always worked for me. First, let me say that some of you guys are nasty. Wearing the same shorts for a 5 day vacation or not giving a fuck about shaving and showering for a few days LOL. I know you are on vacation but at least brush your teeth and wipe the cold out of the corner of your eyes. I'm talking to that 20 percent who just don't give a damn.

I stop watching porn and having sex about ten days prior to my trip, but it's not easy. It seems every girl wants to say sweet things and give you some pussy when they know you are about to leave.

Do a minimum of 30 minutes cardio pre trip for a few days, it seems to strengthen my groin area. Also do basics if you don't like weights like push-ups and pull-ups. I change my diet to mostly fruit, salads and fruit drinks to give me a more natural edge. When I'm on vacation the last thing I need is to get sick so I usually eat at places that have a positive history. If it's some place new I usually look for cleanliness. If I don't develop that comfort zone it's back to basics (chicken, rice, beans, salad, fruits), which is hard to fuck up.

I'm approaching middle age so I have some of the problems associated with that like grey hair. Some places are worse than others. I use my clippers to shave all body hair and the girls really appreciate it. Be careful with the clippers around the balls though. There are a few eyebrow grey hairs so I either pull them or dye them. Trim your legs, arms, underarms also and you will appear ten years younger to the girls. There is no pride in having girls suck your hairy grey balls LOL.

Once in Sosua I go to my beach girl for a mani / pedi for 800 p and my transformation is complete. It really adds to your bedroom confidence knowing that you presented something special for the girls.

Oh! And fellas make showering mandatory for you and the girl.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1648228]Go back a couple pages to my post number 22331 and you will get your answers. I'm on delay so my posts don't hit directly and usually get buried behind other posts.[/QUOTE]No your post was right on time and it answered his previous questions.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1648228]Go back a couple pages to my post number 22331 and you will get your answers. I'm on delay so my posts don't hit directly and usually get buried behind other posts.[/QUOTE]Post 22331 =

[QUOTE]I've never been to Brazil nor do I have any intention of going for the simple reason that I have struggled to learn enough spanish to get me by and it does me no good in Brazil. Then there is the safety factor, count how many cities in Brazil are on this list, WTF.

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-m...d-2014-11?op=1[/QUOTE]

huh?

[QUOTE=BrotherP;1648268]It seems as if the chicas have hardened in just a few short months but it could be my imagination.

Is is possible that the average chica from SDQ or wherever has dropped any hint of GFE service in a few short months or do the chicas pretty much have the same attitudes that they've had year after year?

A veteran's perspective is appreciated.

For the past three years I've made 6 -8 trips per year to Sosua. I certainly don't claim to be an expert. However, I've noticed many of them get harden quick! Some of the chicas I had good times with in the past I wouldn't take now. I guess in part it's because most guys there are sport f*rs. But I suspect peer pressure plays a part. The girls pass ALOT of info about guys, especially regular guys. I suspect some of the chicas advise others on what is and isn't acceptable. A few chica s I know are as fun and GFE as they always were. But I consider them the exception to the rule. Mi dos centavos.[/QUOTE]The GFE was a thing of the past. I started going to Sosua in 2009, and the Girls where more GFE hoping that you would fall in love and take them back to america or hoping for a Western Union Boyfriend, After 2012 as Sosua got popular and the young crowd started.

Coming to Sosua. The Chicas started Wising up and understanding why waste time with 1 guy for the day when I can go back to the strip and try to get 2-3 clients for the day.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1648376]Post 22331 =



huh?[/QUOTE]It's actually Post 22327.

It's a good post and encapsulates in a few short paragraphs how Sosua has changed and why.

Basically there used to be more amateurs, part timers, semi pros looking for fun and meeting a guy that could maybe change their lives. They used to greet you as if you were the Mutiny on the Bounty crew.

Now there are mostly hard core chicas looking for fast and easy money.

Like in a lot of places, most of the P4 P has become over-commercialized, routine and mechanical.

The good news is that it is still possible to find a few good ones if you look and move around a bit.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1648230]The girls are there to make money. Guys in Sosua are there sport fucking. Girls who try to hook up for more are often rebuffed. I think the coldness is a product of guys sport fucking. They see how we roll. We are out every night looking for new pussy. Most guys speak very little Spanish so any thing more then a quicky is not possible.[/QUOTE]You have summed it up perfectly!

[QUOTE=Sixty9;1648159]There are still many girls in Bar Central or it has changed to a boring place?[/QUOTE]The place used to be very crowded until they put the sign up requiring the women to be accompanied in the bar. It still fills up though later in the evening on the weekends. The Haitian Embassy (Bar Central) is ground zero for Haitians with most of them standing out front and part ways down the street to Premium Bar. You can't miss them as most of them speak Creole, and some English, Spanish, and French.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1647806]Great post!

I am a year one monger rookie and my Spanish is a 2 on a scale of 1 to 10.

I was in Puerto Plata earlier this month and I noticed the place is crawling with hot chicas. Have you ever mongered in Puerto Plata and how would you compare the scene to Sosua for a newbie such as myself?[/QUOTE]In the Dominican Republic I have hobbied only in Boca Chica, Sosua and Santo Domingo.

In Sosua I encountered my fair share of those hotties who fancy themselves. They know their quarry, they pass me like a full bus. I have that mean voracious look that portends a night of pounding. They are in this business for easy money. They have honed their skills to the extent that they can smell a small limp dick coupled with a fat wallet from a mile off. I saw them in action in Rumba's on Saturday night. Three portly rich entrepreneur looking gentlemen rolled in and were escorted to a table from which some chicas were unceremoniously evicted. The superhotties in Rumba all but knocked me over headed in the direction of that table. They swarmed around the table like flies to turds. You will see these guys arm in arm with the hotties parading around Sosua during the day. These gals are in heaven. They are basically with guys who come to Sosua to throw money around and just want company. At night they drink, go to their hotel rooms with the gals and then promptly fall asleep. I know some of you guys are thinking that I'm just jealous. However, that is not so; I do know these gals and they are not in Sosua to work. As a matter of fact most of these chicas have a novio and with his knowledge are just making a little extra cash. So don't think they don't like our sport f. G. They sport f. K for free with their boyfriends. They don't like guys who want the most bang for their buck.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1648487]In Sosua I encountered my fair share of those hotties who fancy themselves. They know their quarry, they pass me like a full bus. I have that mean voracious look that portends a night of pounding. They are in this business for easy money. They have honed their skills to the extent that they can smell a small limp dick coupled with a fat wallet from a mile off. I saw them in action in Rumba's on Saturday night. Three portly rich entrepreneur looking gentlemen rolled in and were escorted to a table from which some chicas were unceremoniously evicted. The superhotties in Rumba all but knocked me over headed in the direction of that table. They swarmed around the table like flies to turds. You will see these guys arm in arm with the hotties parading around Sosua during the day. These gals are in heaven. They are basically with guys who come to Sosua to throw money around and just want company. At night they drink, go to their hotel rooms with the gals and then promptly fall asleep. I know some of you guys are thinking that I'm just jealous. However, that is not so; I do know these gals and they are not in Sosua to work. As a matter of fact most of these chicas have a novio and with his knowledge are just making a little extra cash. So don't think they don't like our sport f. G. They sport f. K for free with their boyfriends. They don't like guys who want the most bang for their buck.[/QUOTE]One time I was in Costa Rica drinking at the Del Rey with two older gentlemen who were sitting at the next table. One guy was 69 yo with diabetes and hypertension and was describing his previous afternoon.

He paid two girls 120 each to eat both their pussies and was in heaven. The guy kept buying our table drinks and we kept listening to his adventures. My point is that sometimes it's not about laying pipe all night long in ten different positions. Sometimes it's about whatever you want to spend your money on to find happiness.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1648269]I have always had a somewhat crazy pre-trip routine, but it has always worked for me. First, let me say that some of you guys are nasty. Wearing the same shorts for a 5 day vacation or not giving a fuck about shaving and showering for a few days LOL. I know you are on vacation but at least brush your teeth and wipe the cold out of the corner of your eyes. I'm talking to that 20 percent who just don't give a damn.

I'm approaching middle age so I have some of the problems associated with that like grey hair. Some places are worse than others. I use my clippers to shave all body hair and the girls really appreciate it. Be careful with the clippers around the balls though. There are a few eyebrow grey hairs so I either pull them or dye them. Trim your legs, arms, underarms also and you will appear ten years younger to the girls. There is no pride in having girls suck your hairy grey balls LOL.

Once in Sosua I go to my beach girl for a mani / pedi for 800 p and my transformation is complete. It really adds to your bedroom confidence knowing that you presented something special for the girls.

Oh! And fellas make showering mandatory for you and the girl.[/QUOTE]You are right.

Most Dominican girls like all Latinas are very conscious of their hygiene.

For them it does not really matter whether their client is old or young, handsome or ugly.

But stinking of sweat guys with bad breath are the most unpleasant clients for them as long as they are not exactly on the cocaine trip. Really good sex is rarely without hygiene.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1647806]Great post!

I am a year one monger rookie and my Spanish is a 2 on a scale of 1 to 10.

I was in Puerto Plata earlier this month and I noticed the place is crawling with hot chicas. Have you ever mongered in Puerto Plata and how would you compare the scene to Sosua for a newbie such as myself?[/QUOTE]Are you talking about hot chicas all over Puerto Plata or specific places in Puerto Plata?

[QUOTE=Turgid;1648487]In Sosua I encountered my fair share of those hotties who fancy themselves. They know their quarry, they pass me like a full bus. I have that mean voracious look that portends a night of pounding. They are in this business for easy money. They have honed their skills to the extent that they can smell a small limp dick coupled with a fat wallet from a mile off. I saw them in action in Rumba's on Saturday night. Three portly rich entrepreneur looking gentlemen rolled in and were escorted to a table from which some chicas were unceremoniously evicted. The superhotties in Rumba all but knocked me over headed in the direction of that table. They swarmed around the table like flies to turds. You will see these guys arm in arm with the hotties parading around Sosua during the day. These gals are in heaven. They are basically with guys who come to Sosua to throw money around and just want company. At night they drink, go to their hotel rooms with the gals and then promptly fall asleep. I know some of you guys are thinking that I'm just jealous. However, that is not so; I do know these gals and they are not in Sosua to work. As a matter of fact most of these chicas have a novio and with his knowledge are just making a little extra cash. So don't think they don't like our sport f. G. They sport f. K for free with their boyfriends. They don't like guys who want the most bang for their buck.[/QUOTE]I'm currently in Sosua and was in rumba Saturday night saw that to it. One thing if you know they have a novio then you should know they don't have a need to approach you unlike the lower tier chicas who are living day to day these chicas as described are pretty comfort, and will just sit there until approached or see an easy target as you mentioned. Now ignored often as well only because I'm here all the time and they pretty much know what I'm about.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1648487]In Sosua I encountered my fair share of those hotties who fancy themselves. They know their quarry, they pass me like a full bus. I have that mean voracious look that portends a night of pounding. They are in this business for easy money. They have honed their skills to the extent that they can smell a small limp dick coupled with a fat wallet from a mile off. I saw them in action in Rumba's on Saturday night. Three portly rich entrepreneur looking gentlemen rolled in and were escorted to a table from which some chicas were unceremoniously evicted. The superhotties in Rumba all but knocked me over headed in the direction of that table. They swarmed around the table like flies to turds. You will see these guys arm in arm with the hotties parading around Sosua during the day. These gals are in heaven. They are basically with guys who come to Sosua to throw money around and just want company. At night they drink, go to their hotel rooms with the gals and then promptly fall asleep. I know some of you guys are thinking that I'm just jealous. However, that is not so; I do know these gals and they are not in Sosua to work. As a matter of fact most of these chicas have a novio and with his knowledge are just making a little extra cash. So don't think they don't like our sport f. G. They sport f. K for free with their boyfriends. They don't like guys who want the most bang for their buck.[/QUOTE]Reminds me of the time last year when I was at FOD sitting at the bar when two older guys walked in and the girls didn't so much as give them a second look, I could tell these guys were a little uncomfortable being there. I was wearing my signature Boston Red Sox cap and the guys started talking to me and it turns out one of them was the owner of a MLB baseball team. A little while later I was sitting with my date and a few girls and I told them that one of the guys owned a baseball team and there was a sudden stampede towards those two guys, it was hilarious. He bought several rounds for the entire bar before taking 4 girls to an ST room.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1648497]One time I was in Costa Rica drinking at the Del Rey with two older gentlemen who were sitting at the next table. One guy was 69 yo with diabetes and hypertension and was describing his previous afternoon.

He paid two girls 120 each to eat both their pussies and was in heaven. The guy kept buying our table drinks and we kept listening to his adventures. My point is that sometimes it's not about laying pipe all night long in ten different positions. Sometimes it's about whatever you want to spend your money on to find happiness.[/QUOTE]Yep, I guess to each his own. I once had a friend who enjoyed masturbating and cumming on the woman's body more than having sex. In German FKK's that's more expensive than sex. He would have a great time in Sosua.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1648487]In Sosua I encountered my fair share of those hotties who fancy themselves. They know their quarry, they pass me like a full bus.[/QUOTE]What a simile! LOL.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1648269]...Oh! And fellas make showering mandatory for you and the girl.[/QUOTE]I made friends with one of the girls in Sosua. One day she comes running up to me and she seemed very upset. It seems that one of her customers had a bad case of smegma. I can't imagine licking a pussy filled with smegma. Not even if I was paid. How can we expect them to do the same? Soap and water is the name of the game.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1647334]I've never been to Brazil nor do I have any intention of going for the simple reason that I have struggled to learn enough spanish to get me by and it does me no good in Brazil. Then there is the safety factor, count how many cities in Brazil are on this list, WTF.

[URL]http://www.businessinsider.com/the-most-violent-cities-in-the-world-2014-11?op=1[/URL][/QUOTE]The whole world is now a pile of shit when it comes to crime. Did you count how many cities in the USA are listed?

Everywhere in the world is fucking dangerous. Last week, a worker from my agency in Camden, New Jersey, got.

Stabbed 20 times by one of her angry clients. Wherever you go, whether the safest city in the world or worst ranked, you have to always watch your back. If you go by the rankings, mongers should not travel to the best places to monger like Brazil, Medellin, Cali, Santa Marta, Mexico, etc. The DR is not even listed in the rankings and is a fucking dangerous country.

[QUOTE=WorldTraveler3;1648594]I'm currently in Sosua and was in rumba Saturday night saw that to it. One thing if you know they have a novio then you should know they don't have a need to approach you unlike the lower tier chicas who are living day to day these chicas as described are pretty comfort, and will just sit there until approached or see an easy target as you mentioned. Now ignored often as well only because I'm here all the time and they pretty much know what I'm about.[/QUOTE]I hobby alone so it will never be safe for me to wear expensive jewellery or a rolex watch to get these girls attention. I will have to settle for the middle tier chicas in Sosua. If I want top tier chicas I will have to go to Rio or Frankfurt.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1648269]Do a minimum of 30 minutes cardio pre trip for a few days, it seems to strengthen my groin area. Also do basics if you don't like weights like push-ups and pull-ups. I change my diet to mostly fruit, salads and fruit drinks to give me a more natural edge. When I'm on vacation the last thing I need is to get sick so I usually eat at places that have a positive history. If it's some place new I usually look for cleanliness. If I don't develop that comfort zone it's back to basics (chicken, rice, beans, salad, fruits), which is hard to fuck up.

I'm approaching middle age so I have some of the problems associated with that like grey hair. Some places are worse than others. I use my clippers to shave all body hair and the girls really appreciate it. Be careful with the clippers around the balls though. There are a few eyebrow grey hairs so I either pull them or dye them. Trim your legs, arms, underarms also and you will appear ten years younger to the girls. There is no pride in having girls suck your hairy grey balls LOL.[/QUOTE]Very good points I'd never let a chica say she smelled me NEVER live the room smelling like "hot ass". Don't forget the zinc you can get 15 MG for those who get nauseous with higher doses to increase "skeetload".

Onedazz.

Magnum cum louder.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1648828]I hobby alone so it will never be safe for me to wear expensive jewellery or a rolex watch to get these girls attention. I will have to settle for the middle tier chicas in Sosua. If I want top tier chicas I will have to go to Rio or Frankfurt.[/QUOTE]The Top Tier Girls in Sosua are horrible in bed anyways, There not worth it. I rather get me a Non-Pro or like you said, Get me a Hottie in Brazil, Columbia and Germany.

T and I are in Sosua again. The last time he was here he got decked in the eye by Maoli. My man T hasn't learned his lesson he's now dealing with Maoli again. They have been whatsapp each other. It was understood T and Maoli will be together on Thurday until Friday afternoon and then she will allow T to go and play Friday night. Maoli it's all hood nasty ghetto hood. As soon as she saw T she hit him up for 500 pesos and went to acting her part. Any girl she saw T looking at or chica looking his way- she let it be known that's her man and she will fight for him. She even went off on the Dike because she was over in our area. Later on that night she goes to him and asked him to give her some money for drinks because she can't come in to classico. He give her a thousand pesos relieved that she is ban from all the clubs. The end of the night she's posted and waiting to see if she's going to act the fool tonight. No such luck he had his fun and now he will have his night with her. He claimed the bedroom has changed. She used to be all over him now she rolls over to sleep. He wakes up in the middle of the night and she complies however the sparks aren't the same with T aka 2000 pumps. The next day he gives her 3000 pesos and she says it isn't enough. He was so mad and gave her another thousand pesos and told her he's done with her. She says okay because you can't afford me.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1648269]I have always had a somewhat crazy pre-trip routine, but it has always worked for me. First, let me say that some of you guys are nasty. Wearing the same shorts for a 5 day vacation or not giving a fuck about shaving and showering for a few days LOL. I know you are on vacation but at least brush your teeth and wipe the cold out of the corner of your eyes. I'm talking to that 20 percent who just don't give a damn.

I stop watching porn and having sex about ten days prior to my trip, but it's not easy. It seems every girl wants to say sweet things and give you some pussy when they know you are about to leave.

Do a minimum of 30 minutes cardio pre trip for a few days, it seems to strengthen my groin area. Also do basics if you don't like weights like push-ups and pull-ups. I change my diet to mostly fruit, salads and fruit drinks to give me a more natural edge. When I'm on vacation the last thing I need is to get sick so I usually eat at places that have a positive history. If it's some place new I usually look for cleanliness. If I don't develop that comfort zone it's back to basics (chicken, rice, beans, salad, fruits), which is hard to fuck up.

I'm approaching middle age so I have some of the problems associated with that like grey hair. Some places are worse than others. I use my clippers to shave all body hair and the girls really appreciate it. Be careful with the clippers around the balls though. There are a few eyebrow grey hairs so I either pull them or dye them. Trim your legs, arms, underarms also and you will appear ten years younger to the girls. There is no pride in having girls suck your hairy grey balls LOL.

Once in Sosua I go to my beach girl for a mani / pedi for 800 p and my transformation is complete. It really adds to your bedroom confidence knowing that you presented something special for the girls.

Oh! And fellas make showering mandatory for you and the girl.[/QUOTE]Damn we have many similarities. Have to shave the hair around the ball area never know when she will go down there. Nice soft smooth balls make her go further down. I hated and enjoy it. Started my workout plan 3 weeks out need to have my stamina up. I'm keeping the gray hair on the chin for the salt and pepper look been getting too many compliments. When in doubt I keep it to rice beans and chicken. I like the fish but sometimes I have to look at the grease. My manicure is done before I get there along with my fresh cut. I have throw away toothbrushes for the chicas. Bath and beyond body wash and lotion by the shower. I also bring in a 12 pack of washcloths.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1648916]T and I are in Sosua again. The last time he was here he got decked in the eye by Maoli. My man T hasn't learned his lesson he's now dealing with Maoli again. They have been whatsapp each other. It was understood T and Maoli will be together on Thurday until Friday afternoon and then she will allow T to go and play Friday night. Maoli it's all hood nasty ghetto hood. As soon as she saw T she hit him up for 500 pesos and went to acting her part. Any girl she saw T looking at or chica looking his way- she let it be known that's her man and she will fight for him. She even went off on the Dike because she was over in our area. Later on that night she goes to him and asked him to give her some money for drinks because she can't come in to classico. He give her a thousand pesos relieved that she is ban from all the clubs. The end of the night she's posted and waiting to see if she's going to act the fool tonight. No such luck he had his fun and now he will have his night with her. He claimed the bedroom has changed. She used to be all over him now she rolls over to sleep. He wakes up in the middle of the night and she complies however the sparks aren't the same with T aka 2000 pumps. The next day he gives her 3000 pesos and she says it isn't enough. He was so mad and gave her another thousand pesos and told her he's done with her. She says okay because you can't afford me.[/QUOTE]Typical disaster with a hardcore girl.

Sometimes sexual attraction can lose your mind.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1648402]The place used to be very crowded until they put the sign up requiring the women to be accompanied in the bar. It still fills up though later in the evening on the weekends. The Haitian Embassy (Bar Central) is ground zero for Haitians with most of them standing out front and part ways down the street to Premium Bar. You can't miss them as most of them speak Creole, and some English, Spanish, and French.[/QUOTE]One year ago in my last trip the Haitian Embassy was a good alternative to Rumba before the'Latin was starting. I hope it will still be an alternative before Classico is starting.

Is there besides Rumbas and the Haitian Embassy another bar which offers a greater selection of girls before Classico is starting?

The following are my observations regarding the difference between Sosua prior to 2008 and present:

(1) In the past it was much easier to pick up chicas during the day on the streets. Back then I used to make week long trips to Sosua and some trips I would not enter a club for my entire trip. All my chicas were chosen from the buffet on the streets and I used to have a wide choice and be very picky.

(2) In my trip in May this year and my recently concluded trip I saw not one hot Haitian. Back in the day they were a major part of the menu on the streets.

(3) Prior to 2008 "leche papi" was not in their vocabulary, at least I never heard it. The major problem for me back then were the star fishes but they never tried to short time me.

(4) Back then in Classicos there were non pro non Dominicanas who were available. I never had any but I know they were available.

I had several good sessions this trip and one bad. Overall a good trip.

Although it is not like it was in the past Sosua is still a very good destination for our hobby. As others have said you may need to bring a little game with you but even without it a fantastic time can still be had. My advice though is to have some street smarts.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1648922]Damn we have many similarities. Have to shave the hair around the ball area never know when she will go down there. Nice soft smooth balls make her go further down. I hated and enjoy it. Started my workout plan 3 weeks out need to have my stamina up. I'm keeping the gray hair on the chin for the salt and pepper look been getting too many compliments. When in doubt I keep it to rice beans and chicken. I like the fish but sometimes I have to look at the grease. My manicure is done before I get there along with my fresh cut. I have throw away toothbrushes for the chicas. Bath and beyond body wash and lotion by the shower. I also bring in a 12 pack of washcloths.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this. I've been wondering what a good routine to increase stamina pre-trip would be. I am a middle-aged man and I need any tips I can get to keep going like a 19 year old porn star bull, lol.

(I lost around 65 pounds over the last couple of years so that may be one good thing).

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1648922]Damn we have many similarities. Have to shave the hair around the ball area never know when she will go down there. Nice soft smooth balls make her go further down.[/QUOTE]When I got my vasectomy they shaved me so quickly and smoothly without a nick that I had to get the make and model of the clippers. As soon as I got home that afternoon I found one on ebay for $35.

[URL]http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/IPD-NA/3M-Infection-Prevention/products/catalog/~/3M-Surgical-Clipper-with-Pivoting-Head-9661?N=5562431+4294957218&rt=d[/URL]

[QUOTE=Lou32;1649007]Thanks for this. I've been wondering what a good routine to increase stamina pre-trip would be. I am a middle-aged man and I need any tips I can get to keep going like a 19 year old porn star bull, lol.

(I lost around 65 pounds over the last couple of years so that may be one good thing).[/QUOTE]Personal grooming goes a long way with the chicas. They don't want to see hair growing out of your nose, your ears, or your ass. :)

One of the main side benefits of regular Sosua trips for me is the motive to stay fit and in shape.

I'm getting old, but the thought of my next trip makes it a lot easier to maintain my weight and stay in shape.

I believe mongering has added years to my active life.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1648978]

(3) Prior to 2008 "leche papi" was not in their vocabulary, at least I never heard it.[/QUOTE]Yeah, in those days it was "Aye yi yi papi".

Question about Casa Valeria. I have always stayed at Terra Linda as I like the pool and proximity. The big downside is the fact that you can not have 2 guests in the room at one time.

Not a big happy hour fan, I think it just get's too complicated but occasionally there is a time and place and I would like the option. A girl I will be seeing down there said she liked Casa Valeria better than Terra Linda and I should stay there.

In any event, does anyone know if Casa Valeria allows multiple guests at one time? I have walked by the hotel countless times but can only see the restaurant from the street. It got really good reports on Trip Advisor. Any other info. Good or bad on this Hotel would be appreciated.

I will be in Sosua come Mid-December. Went to Bangkok and Pattaya for 2 weeks in October (mind numbing in a great way). I am looking forward to a little Sousa action.

After 2+ months of nada in the good old US of A. Batteries are charged!! Happy Thanksgiving to all who celebrate and thanks in advance for any helpful info on Casa Valeria.

Do not accept any issues with the chicas. We do not have time to fool around with bad behavior. The girls get no no second chances. There too many girls waiting for our money to put up with BS. I just have tp remember that when I am on the ground. LOL.

[QUOTE=Sixty9;1648971]Typical disaster with a hardcore girl.

Sometimes sexual attraction can lose your mind.[/QUOTE]

I'm arriving in Santiago at 2:47 am out of FLL. What is the best option to get through the darkness until a bus runs to Sosua? Trying to decide if I want to get a room for a few hours or what? Similarly on the backside I leave at 3:47 am 4 days later. Have a room in Sosua and assume I will just find a cab that will take me to arrive at the airport around 2:45 am.

Has anyone been on this schedule. How did it work for you. Staying at Casa Cayane.

Thanks to all who responded to my question about the bus.

I guess I was assuming all along that GFEs were off the table, so the fast that it once existed or might still be possible with lots of looking around is at least a positive sign. Thailand and especially Bangkok have gotten much harder in recent years. The Philippines has been the GFE champ for me, though it can be problematic in that it's really a lot of work to interview and screen and do all that, so the easiest thing is to hold onto any good ones for 2 or 3 nights or whatever, even for SF. Then, on moving on to another girl, you get the super-upset breakup treatment without even knowing it was a relationship in the first place. I guess that's why some people talk about a "three night rule. ".

I don't have time on the upcoming trip to do much more than see if it's a good place for further trips vs. Other options, but it'll be good to finally check it out.

[QUOTE=Sixty9;1648972]One year ago in my last trip the Haitian Embassy was a good alternative to Rumba before the'Latin was starting. I hope it will still be an alternative before Classico is starting.

Is there besides Rumbas and the Haitian Embassy another bar which offers a greater selection of girls before Classico is starting?[/QUOTE]Sorry not aware of another bar on the Strip which has a greater selection of girls before Classico is starting.

Every girls is different and Sosua gets a very broad spectrum if girls. Hardcore to college coeds. What makes the difference is your ability to make them feel comfortable. Being able to converse is critical. Your Spanish does not need to be perfect but you got to be able to converse. Be nice and a little generous and everything is on the table.

[QUOTE=Ploughman;1649179] .[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1649343]Every girls is different and Sosua gets a very broad spectrum if girls. Hardcore to college coeds. What makes the difference is your ability to make them feel comfortable. Being able to converse is critical. Your Spanish does not need to be perfect but you got to be able to converse. Be nice and a little generous and everything is on the table.[/QUOTE]I don't agree with all of this brother, but the part about knowing Spanish is accurate.

I don't see many college girls in Sosua nowadays bro. Sosua is mostly SD street barrio girls doing a new hustle in a new place. A college girl wouldn't risk her reputation being seen in Sosua with a gringo. The girls in Sosua probably don't even know how to read a book. The girls who go to the university in Puerto Plata go from home to school. They have Dominican boyfriends. They might trick on the side but it would be very low key and no one will know. She will not leave the University and be seen in Sosua giving GFE. Pre 2009 college girls were giving GFE in Sosua but not now brother.

[QUOTE=TimP14;1649132]I'm arriving in Santiago at 2:47 am out of FLL. What is the best option to get through the darkness until a bus runs to Sosua? Trying to decide if I want to get a room for a few hours or what? Similarly on the backside I leave at 3:47 am 4 days later. Have a room in Sosua and assume I will just find a cab that will take me to arrive at the airport around 2:45 am.

Has anyone been on this schedule. How did it work for you. Staying at Casa Cayane.[/QUOTE]Well, you might not be out of the airport until 3:30 am You could hang around and catch some rest on the seats outside at STI, and you can get an early breakfast upstairs. There is free wi-fi at the airport so you can make calls via Skype or similar services.

There are cafes there that are either open all night or open very early, then you could get a taxi to the bus station and hang around there until you can get a bus.

OR you could get a taxi to an economical cabana (there are several near to the airport), then arrange with your taxi driver to pick you up later and take you to the bus station. I would do this, because you really don't particularly want to arrive in Sosua too early in the morning anyway, so you might as well get some rest.

OR you could get a taxi to take you from the airport right to Sosua, but again the problem is that you arrive way too early and spend more money.

You can get money from the Banco Popular ATM on the outside of the airport concourse to your right as you exit.

To go back, I would get the last bus out of Sosua to Santiago (cheap) and then stay at a cabana for a few hours, and get your taxi to pick you up to go to the airport at around 2:15 am You could also find a taxi to take you from Sosua that you will prenegotiate in advance. Either way it looks like you will end up paying for a hotel in Sosua for an extra day.

[QUOTE=Solley11;1649062]Question about Casa Valeria. I have always stayed at Terra Linda as I like the pool and proximity. The big downside is the fact that you can not have 2 guests in the room at one time.

Not a big happy hour fan, I think it just get's too complicated but occasionally there is a time and place and I would like the option. A girl I will be seeing down there said she liked Casa Valeria better than Terra Linda and I should stay there.

In any event, does anyone know if Casa Valeria allows multiple guests at one time? I have walked by the hotel countless times but can only see the restaurant from the street. It got really good reports on Trip Advisor. Any other info. Good or bad on this Hotel would be appreciated.

I will be in Sosua come Mid-December. Went to Bangkok and Pattaya for 2 weeks in October (mind numbing in a great way). I am looking forward to a little Sousa action.

After 2+ months of nada in the good old US of A. Batteries are charged!! Happy Thanksgiving to all who celebrate and thanks in advance for any helpful info on Casa Valeria.[/QUOTE]I've stayed there a few times. The hotel is small, about eight units surrounding a small, but clean pool. The rooms are small but clean and comfortable.

It is run by Arien and his wife, a couple from Holland.

They only allow one chica at a time, and they have a security guard on after 5 pm. It's for those who like peace and quiet after they leave the strip. You won't be woken up by partiers next door, or around the pool.

The restaurant is good, and if you have a chica who is well dressed, she'll love it.

About 60 bucks a night. But the location is great.

Is there besides Rumba and the Haitian Embassy another bar which offers a greater selection of girls before Classico is starting?

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1649305]Sorry not aware of another bar on the Strip which has a greater selection of girls before Classico is starting.[/QUOTE]Sosua is a great town for our hobby but the strip is too small.

If the authorities decide to close also Classico or Rumba, then Sosua will be virtually dead for us. I hope it will not happen.

[QUOTE=TimP14;1649132]I'm arriving in Santiago at 2:47 am out of FLL. What is the best option to get through the darkness until a bus runs to Sosua? Trying to decide if I want to get a room for a few hours or what? Similarly on the backside I leave at 3:47 am 4 days later. Have a room in Sosua and assume I will just find a cab that will take me to arrive at the airport around 2:45 am.

Has anyone been on this schedule. How did it work for you. Staying at Casa Cayane.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately the flight schedule you have signed up for in the long run is actually going to cost you more than paying the additional monies to have flown directly into Puerto Plata with the added taxi fares & possible accommodation expenses. Have fun in Sosua, your choice of hotel Casa Cayena is an excellent one.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1649400]Unfortunately the flight schedule you have signed up for in the long run is actually going to cost you more than paying the additional monies to have flown directly into Puerto Plata with the added taxi fares & possible accommodation expenses. Have fun in Sosua, your choice of hotel Casa Cayena is an excellent one.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the two responses. I didn't do my research very well. I looked at a map and thought Santiago was only 20 miles from Sosua. Guess it's only 40 but a curvy slow road. Looked at renting a car which I guess I would like some opinions on. I'm an experienced traveler and have driven in Costa Rica, Aruba, Curacao and Cozumel. Can get a car for $17 a day which will turn out to be less than $100. Also gives me the ability to go to Puerto Playa and Caberate.

Flight out of Chicago is $327 so I saved roughly $250 on the flight. Thought it was a no brainer, but I'm learning it may not have been. If I can get in a car about 7 am when it gets light out and have good directions after an early breakfast and maybe watching movie at the airport on my Ipad maybe it will work out this time, but there won't be a next time.

[QUOTE=TimP14;1649132]I'm arriving in Santiago at 2:47 am out of FLL. What is the best option to get through the darkness until a bus runs to Sosua? [/QUOTE]Frannie has laid out the options for you. Airport to Sosua is about $80 so you still save including your return taxi trip. I landed in STI many times and it is always that gawd awful hour and at times, the flight is also delayed so sticking around until morning at the airport is a good idea. Once the light is out, grab a cab to the bus station and then the bus to Sosua to save money ($30 or so, all told) or a cab direct -whatever pleases you.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1648269]Oh! And fellas make showering mandatory for you and the girl.[/QUOTE]In a place like the DR, given the heat and dust, one needs to shower at least two times and we need to remind folks to be aware of their hygiene on this forum. I mean such brass tacks? Scary!

[QUOTE=TimP14;1649413]Thanks for the two responses. I didn't do my research very well. I looked at a map and thought Santiago was only 20 miles from Sosua. Guess it's only 40 but a curvy slow road. Looked at renting a car which I guess I would like some opinions on. I'm an experienced traveler and have driven in Costa Rica, Aruba, Curacao and Cozumel. Can get a car for $17 a day which will turn out to be less than $100. Also gives me the ability to go to Puerto Playa and Caberate.

Flight out of Chicago is $327 so I saved roughly $250 on the flight. Thought it was a no brainer, but I'm learning it may not have been. If I can get in a car about 7 am when it gets light out and have good directions after an early breakfast and maybe watching movie at the airport on my Ipad maybe it will work out this time, but there won't be a next time.[/QUOTE]I was going to suggest just taking a car. I had that same time of coming and leaving to ffl. I chose the car after hearing the taxi start their bids at $150. It was $175 for the car for 5 days with 2 free upgrade. I like it and its now an option when I am doing the north coast. Now we had mobility to explore other areas and our ride back. The ride is easy and can be done at night but shouldn't solo if you have driven it before.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1649382]I've stayed there a few times. The hotel is small, about eight units surrounding a small, but clean pool. The rooms are small but clean and comfortable.

It is run by Arien and his wife, a couple from Holland.

They only allow one chica at a time, and they have a security guard on after 5 pm. It's for those who like peace and quiet after they leave the strip. You won't be woken up by partiers next door, or around the pool.

The restaurant is good, and if you have a chica who is well dressed, she'll love it.

About 60 bucks a night. But the location is great.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot for the intel on Casa Valeria, Oakie. I booked a room there today for $60 a night via [URL]Hotels.com[/URL] which was $20 a night less than the Hotel quoted me directly when I called them. Bummer about the one guest at a time. Suppose if there is a will there is a way and of course there is always Dulce Secreto if needed. Anyway, was getting a little tired of Terra Linda, maybe next time I will try Casa Cayena.

Thanks again.

[QUOTE=TimP14;1649132]I'm arriving in Santiago at 2:47 am out of FLL. What is the best option to get through the darkness until a bus runs to Sosua? Trying to decide if I want to get a room for a few hours or what? Similarly on the backside I leave at 3:47 am 4 days later. Have a room in Sosua and assume I will just find a cab that will take me to arrive at the airport around 2:45 am.

Has anyone been on this schedule. How did it work for you. Staying at Casa Cayane.[/QUOTE]My first trip to DR I arrived at STI and asked a cab to call one of his taxi friends to take me to sosua. At the time my spanish was practically practically non-existent and had heard it would be 150 bucks to sosua. This said taxi said it'd be 60 bucks and waited for me for his taxi friend to come while he had passengers in the back. A lovely old man. Point being it may work out cheaper grabbing a cab unless you plan to use a car for your entire trip or you'll have to pay 50-100 bucks to return the car in puerto plata. Actually if you PM me I know a guy that can get you a good deal for car hire about 50% off RRP. Oh and don't stay in casa cayena, they have wooden slanted blinds that can never be shut instead of windows, so the room's hot even with the A/C on during light hours, stay at new garden if you can, service is also better there from my limited experience.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1649490]I was going to suggest just taking a car. I had that same time of coming and leaving to ffl. I chose the car after hearing the taxi start their bids at $150. It was $175 for the car for 5 days with 2 free upgrade. I like it and its now an option when I am doing the north coast. Now we had mobility to explore other areas and our ride back. The ride is easy and can be done at night but shouldn't solo if you have driven it before.[/QUOTE]The posted taxi price at the taxi stands in Sosua at the casino and next to Rumbas is $ 120. I negotiated $ 80 with the driver who works from Casa Cayena when I flew out of Santiago on my last trip.

[QUOTE=ILikeBigButts3;1649503]My first trip to DR I arrived at STI and asked a cab to call one of his taxi friends to take me to sosua. At the time my spanish was practically practically non-existent and had heard it would be 150 bucks to sosua. This said taxi said it'd be 60 bucks and waited for me for his taxi friend to come while he had passengers in the back. A lovely old man. Point being it may work out cheaper grabbing a cab unless you plan to use a car for your entire trip or you'll have to pay 50-100 bucks to return the car in puerto plata. Actually if you PM me I know a guy that can get you a good deal for car hire about 50% off RRP. Oh and don't stay in casa cayena, they have wooden slanted blinds that can never be shut instead of windows, so the room's hot even with the A/C on during light hours, stay at new garden if you can, service is also better there from my limited experience.[/QUOTE]The wooden shutters at Casa Cayena can be closed shut utilizing corks and or rocks. Jose the maintenance man will gladly make sure all the shutters are shut if open in your room. The service is top notch at Casa Cayena from the cleaning staff, the bar / kitchen, and the office support.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1649484]In a place like the DR, given the heat and dust, one needs to shower at least two times and we need to remind folks to be aware of their hygiene on this forum. I mean such brass tacks? Scary![/QUOTE]Another thing that's changed down there over time is that the chicas used to spend more time on a ST. It was more like a date. A shower for both of you was part of the fun, no rush and you had time to get into it. In an hour or so you could get drained, so TLN wasn't necessary.

Now it's a quick trip to the bathroom, and she won't get completely undressed unless you insist. I'm speaking generally, of course.

What is good about Sosua, and surprises me, is that we don't have more complaints of guys picking up various STD's, because condoms are not mandatory.

In any other part of the world, I'd be scared to act the way I do in Sosua.

Hotel Casa Valeria.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1649382]It's for those who like peace and quiet after they leave the strip. You won't be woken up by partiers next door, or around the pool.[/QUOTE]There may not be parties going on there, but it's not a quiet hotel. The walls to their rooms are very thin. I like taking a siesta in the late afternoon, but it was impossible due to the cleaning staff chattering outside plus the noise from the washing machine.

Also, the bathroom didn't have a window, just an open hole behind the toilet out to where the cleaners were hanging up laundry. Several times when I was taking a leak in my bathroom, all of a sudden I was staring at a cleaner a few feet away. Not pleasant.

Apart from that, it's a decent hotel with very friendly staff and a good free breakfast.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1649678]
What is good about Sosua, and surprises me, is that we don't have more complaints of guys picking up various STD's, because condoms are not mandatory.

In any other part of the world, I'd be scared to act the way I do in Sosua.[/QUOTE]I don't agree that "condoms are not mandatory" in Sosua for those sport-fucking multiple Chicas.

I think more appropriately "condoms are negotiable" if one wants to bareback and a lot of Chica's are not going to go for it no matter what is offered.

The discussion of bare-backing and STD's seems to be a topic not discussed much on this board.

Anyone want to wade into this discussion?

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1649712]I don't agree that "condoms are not mandatory" in Sosua for those sport-fucking multiple Chicas.

I think more appropriately "condoms are negotiable" if one wants to bareback and a lot of Chica's are not going to go for it no matter what is offered.

The discussion of bare-backing and STD's seems to be a topic not discussed much on this board.

Anyone want to wade into this discussion?[/QUOTE]It's to risky to do in Sosua nowadays. The girls are doing multiple tricks a day and the Dominican dudes. If it was more GFE and people weren't changing partners daily, that could become a possibility. Even in the old Sosua the couple would have to known each other for a few days and entered a mutual comfort zone.

Plus from a guys stand point, we have to do our investigation. Look for signs of drug use, check for regular hygiene, is their phone ringing every five minutes, are they checking out other guys for future options etc.

These days, only an idiot would fuck without a condom. Some of those girls fuck more than a 1,000 guys a year and many with no condoms. If you have a dead wish I guess that is okay.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1649712]I don't agree that "condoms are not mandatory" in Sosua for those sport-fucking multiple Chicas.

I think more appropriately "condoms are negotiable" if one wants to bareback and a lot of Chica's are not going to go for it no matter what is offered.

The discussion of bare-backing and STD's seems to be a topic not discussed much on this board.

Anyone want to wade into this discussion?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1649723]It's to risky to do in Sosua nowadays. The girls are doing multiple tricks a day and the Dominican dudes. If it was more GFE and people weren't changing partners daily, that could become a possibility. Even in the old Sosua the couple would have to known each other for a few days and entered a mutual comfort zone.

Plus from a guys stand point, we have to do our investigation. Look for signs of drug use, check for regular hygiene, is their phone ringing every five minutes, are they checking out other guys for future options etc.[/QUOTE]When I last went to sosua, I'd met three women from the strip. Two of which when back at my room said they had no condoms and asked if I had enfermedades in order to proceed bareback. Luckily I had some stashed away. The last had condoms and did anal also, sexy blonde girl on the chubby side from the disco at the top of the hill thingy.

I think any woman in Sosua will go bareback unfortunately.

Will be Sosua next weekend and need to watch my games. Preferably with volume.

I know the obvious local venues for a few games but does anyone KNOW if anyone in Sosua or Cabarette has all the feeds.

Especially the Patriots.

[QUOTE=ILikeBigButts3;1649746]When I last went to sosua, I'd met three women from the strip. Two of which when back at my room said they had no condoms and asked if I had enfermedades in order to proceed bareback. Luckily I had some stashed away. The last had condoms and did anal also, sexy blonde girl on the chubby side from the disco at the top of the hill thingy.

I think any woman in Sosua will go bareback unfortunately.[/QUOTE]They all won't go bareback but a lot will if the price is right. I wouldn't even contemplate bare-backing a Chica on a first encounter that would proceed because of a lack of condoms. I'm surprised that two out three of your Chicas where willing to proceed bareback with out requesting additional money. Perhaps I'm just clueless about the Sosua Chicas as I'm aware of Chicas that will do it for an up-charge?