Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1381486]As to prostitutes, Asian prostitutes in particular, I do not forget the great ones, the ones I really liked and who showed me a great time. I really appreciate their service and their personalities. I have found that having a good working relationship with a few of my favorite sexual providers is sometimes more satisfying than the plain vanilla wham bam, thank you mam sessions you seem to be talking about, although I like those too. And in the long run a continuing, on going relationship with a working girl is a lot less depleting than a relationship with a real 'girlfriend. ' So I tend to repeat with the professional girls I like best, although I am always hunting for new girls. I guess I like it both ways.[/QUOTE]Yes, We agree on this, I also treat the ladies very gently and sometimes have sex as I would to a girlfriend but only during the 2 hours session. When the 2 hours session ends, so does the Fantasy and I am back to my life. I have a few regulars I visit but never ask for their numbers or contacts.

If their standard drop, I go seek new girls. Simple, and has always worked well for me. I don't really share my life with these girls and they know little about me. I don't care if they have a kid, brother in the hospital or whatever, everyone has a story and I am sure they did not dream of doing this job but they do it because they have to. I am not a savior I am just a customer for a limited time.

For the newbies out there read this over and over till its ingrained caus it's gospel verse. Enthrall in it while you're there then drop it like it's hot.

(if I knew how I would nominate these 2 as 'of distinction')

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1381671]Yes, We agree on this, I also treat the ladies very gently and sometimes have sex as I would to a girlfriend but only during the 2 hours session. When the 2 hours session ends, so does the Fantasy and I am back to my life. I have a few regulars I visit but never ask for their numbers or contacts.

If their standard drop, I go seek new girls. Simple, and has always worked well for me. I don't really share my life with these girls and they know little about me. I don't care if they have a kid, brother in the hospital or whatever, everyone has a story and I am sure they did not dream of doing this job but they do it because they have to. I am not a savior I am just a customer for a limited time.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1381397]Why? Because I don't want to fall in love with a prostitute? Or treat her like she's my girlfriend? Well, she isn't. I treat her very well when we are together in the room and I tip if she gave me above average service. I do not expect her to love me or tell me that I am handsome or that I have a big dick, I pay the girls to give me 2 hours of good sex (or whatever floats my boat at that time) nothing more.

Girlfriends and wives are to be loved, prostitutes are to be fucked and forgotten. Isn't that simple enough?[/QUOTE]

The shops of Dr BJ's are in sukhumvit soi 7/1. Everybody know it. Also uncle google!

A snap I took in Bangkok.

How hungry do you have to be to eat here?

Yes you have to change from BTS to the airport express there

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1381015]You have not made a trip report in 10 years. You been doing anything but jacking off?[/QUOTE]Ya a bit of this and a bit of that but amazingly I have not posted picts of my penis on this site to prove such. No doubt that is disappointing to you because you clearly think it is so exciting seeing another guy's dick on these pages. Good for you. You just keep posting picts of your penis for all of your many fans. I am sure it makes their day. And also feel free to pass any STD's to the women in your life. I mean they asked for it right? And the chances are I won't be coming into contact with them or the guys they give them to and the girls they then pass them on to and so on infinitum. Because I just keep jacking off. With a guy like you in town that probably makes a lot of sense.

Let me spell it out for you 'GOOGLE'.

What do you think this site is for? [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] You should have some respect for senior members who don't have to pay "like myself" because we laid the groundwork to make this site possible. If I use "Google" then what is the point of this site! You should feel happy to help me!

True Mongering comes from sharing information!

Master Monger

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[QUOTE=Csun213;1381645]Thank you for the details. One question, does both the express and the regular train stop at Phaya thai since that is where I need to catch the BTS to go to Nana?[/QUOTE]Yes Both the train will stop at Phaya Thai. At Phaya thai you have to change the platform to take a train to Nana.

[QUOTE=Master Monger; 1381843]What do you think this site is for? Not for filling the pages with your retarded babble. 5 years ago Jackson would have deleted 95% of your posts. Now he is rich and doesn't really care. You should have some respect for senior members who don't have to pay "like myself" because we laid the groundwork to make this site possible. If I use "Google" then what is the point of this site! You should feel happy to help me!

True Mongering comes from sharing information! Master Monger[/QUOTE]Dear Master of all walks, name calling doesn't lead to anywhere. If you are really all that senior, it shouldn't have slipped your attention that Jackson frowns upon posting your mobile number. Would he care anymore (as you say he doesn't) he probably would have deleted your entire post, probably he still will.
If you don't want to google, why not send a PM to Dr BJ. I am sure he would answer.

[QUOTE=Csun213;1381645]Thank you for the details. One question, does both the express and the regular train stop at Phaya thai since that is where I need to catch the BTS to go to Nana?[/QUOTE]The regular train goes to Phaya Thai, the airport express does not, it stops short and you would need to change trains, so the regular city line is the way to go. When you get off at Phaya Thai there is a lift down one floor and then another lift down another floor, not the same lift, and then a longer walk (about 100yds) to Phaya Thai station.

I'll be nice mr Master Monger. You're best bet is to avoid these places unless you prefer ugly girls touching your bits and pieces. I just don't get the allure of these places, but whatever floats yer boat man!

[QUOTE=Nobody Special; 1381741]A snap I took in Bangkok.

How hungry do you have to be to eat here?[/QUOTE]Nice non-profit restaurant for tourists. I say that because the food is blander than it really should be. The founder has done amazing work with the promotion of safer sex in Thailand since the 70s. His work had a direct impact on the reduction of HIV infection rates. I saw him speak last year and he's done a TED Talk.

[QUOTE=AussieDoug;1381862]The regular train goes to Phaya Thai, the airport express does not, it stops short and you would need to change trains, so the regular city line is the way to go. When you get off at Phaya Thai there is a lift down one floor and then another lift down another floor, not the same lift, and then a longer walk (about 100yds) to Phaya Thai station.[/QUOTE]Strange. The last time I took the Airport Express train it stopped right at Phaya Thay station.

[url]http://bangkokairporttrain.com/time-table-route.html[/url]

Maybe you took the wrong express. There is also one who only goes to Makassan station.

[QUOTE=Nobody Special; 1381741]A snap I took in Bangkok.

How hungry do you have to be to eat here?[/QUOTE]Cabbages and Condoms is one of the better restaurants I have been to. You will find them in most of the cities.

When asking for the bill ("Check bin") they will give you a condom with your change. Last time I was there, they even gave me two condoms. My reputation must have preceded me. ;)

[QUOTE=Pita123;1381907]Nice non-profit restaurant for tourists. I say that because the food is blander than it really should be. The founder has done amazing work with the promotion of safer sex in Thailand since the 70s. His work had a direct impact on the reduction of HIV infection rates. I saw him speak last year and he's done a TED Talk.[/QUOTE]Correct, they also have a resort in Pattaya. I eat there once in a while (forced) as my colleagues like it because you can smoke.

Food's tasteless and aimed at clueless tourists, then to top it all, they give you FREE small size condoms that could only fit Toshiro from Japan. Avoid.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1381968]Correct, they also have a resort in Pattaya. I eat there once in a while (forced) as my colleagues like it because you can smoke.

Food's tasteless and aimed at clueless tourists, then to top it all, they give you FREE small size condoms that could only fit Toshiro from Japan. Avoid.[/QUOTE]They could tell by looking at you that was the right size for you.

[QUOTE=AussieDoug;1381862]The regular train goes to Phaya Thai, the airport express does not[/QUOTE]This info is out of date by about a year. There are *two* express trains from the airport, one going to Makkasan (inconvenient connection to MRT which goes to Sukhumwit / Asok) , and another express going directly to Phaya Thai (connection to BTS). There's also the regular train going to Phaya Thai and making all the stops.

[QUOTE=Nobody Special; 1381741]A snap I took in Bangkok.

How hungry do you have to be to eat here?[/QUOTE]I think you'll be surprised at how good the food is. And how socially minded the operators are.

SW

Well I went in to the beer garden on soi 7 tonight because the music was awesome. Was not looking for a girl so I sat with a friendly looking guy at the bar. He spoke Thai as he says he's lived here for 17 years.

Turns out we're both music fanatics. So we sat for an hour talking about everyone from the Stones to Lou Reed. Suddenly this goddess appears out of nowhere and latches on to me.

Now my new friend acts as interpreter and we arrange a long stay for 2000baht. I say goodbye to the guy and moon and I head home. I'm kind of in a dream state. Why is she so attracted to me?

She definitely a good actress. Put me right at ease. She sends me to the shower by myself. Alarm bells went but I didn't hear them. Now would be a good time to search the room. Too bad-all good stuff in safe. After showering, she goes in and showers. I get the money out of my shorts and put it on the table.

She comes out and is pleased to see it but doesn't take it yet.

Then the passion begins and quite frankly, I definitely got my money's worth. The sheet was soaked in cum-hers not mine. I never even got it in her.

Her phone rings and she has to take it because it could be her mom (she had pre-warned me on this). But guess what? It's her sister calling to say mom had a heart attack! Holy shit the flood gates opened up!

What's a guy to do? I told her to go and look after her mom and let her take the money too. Then she had the audacity to ask for a couple more bananas for the trip back to the bar-I mean the hospital. Most likely a different bar this time where my friendly Austrian who speaks Thai and resembles a happy smiling Buddha has the next sucker laughing and feeling good.

I just don't get it though because when she bats those big brown eyes at you-you will pay her 2000 baht for one hour.

So if a 5 foot 6 looker who claims to be 40 and shows you her boobs are real and tells you she will do everything for you cums along. You decide. Just make sure the valuables are locked up when she sends you to shower alone.

Not a happy ending for me but quite a few for her. And hey, that's my specialty.

[QUOTE=Pita123;1381907]Nice non-profit restaurant for tourists. I say that because the food is blander than it really should be.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1381968]they also have a resort in Pattaya. Food's tasteless and aimed at clueless tourists, Avoid.[/QUOTE]I agree with you guys. Nothing is worse than eating bland Thai food. It is hard enough trying to find a good Thai restaurant in South Florida. I don't fly 23 hours MIA to BKK in order to get served the same sort of bland dishes I can find in Fort Lauderdale or indulge for that matter in the same style P4P available in my neck of the woods. I have no use for Farang Thai style restaurants that water down the flavor to suit tourists or cut costs. I am not necessarily talking about heat. Some Thai dishes are not meant to be hot, but all Thai cuisine is meant to be flavorful due to the rather liberal and complex use of herbs and seasonings employed by genuine Thai cooks. And when certain Thai dishes ARE meant to be hot, they should never be damped down for any reason. I hate it when I am asked how hot I want something. Serve it to me the way the cook would eat it. Better yet, don't ask because when a restaurant starts to ask this question it means they have already crossed the line and made certain compromises.

Besides Cabbages, Suda is another popular Thai tourist restaurant catering to the tastes of foreigners, specializing in bland food, and not serving the real deal.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1382033]I agree with you guys. Nothing is worse than eating bland Thai food. (...) Serve it to me the way the cook would eat it.

Besides Cabbages, Suda is another popular Thai tourist restaurant catering to the tastes of foreigners, specializing in bland food, and not serving the real deal.[/QUOTE]I did not find the food served in Cabbages and Condoms bland at all. I found it flavourful and spicy where it should. Besides I saw more Thai people in Cabbages and Condoms in Bangkok than tourists.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1382038]I did not find the food served in Cabbages and Condoms bland at all. I found it flavourful and spicy where it sho5% farang.uld. Besides I saw more Thai people in Cabbages and Condoms in Bangkok than tourists.[/QUOTE]I agree. I found the food very flavorful and good. The place has been showcased on the Food Network in US. When I went it was 95% Farang.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1382038]I did not find the food served in Cabbages and Condoms bland at all. I found it flavourful and spicy where it should.[/QUOTE]On most subjects Thai punter related you and I tend to agree, therefor on the Cabbages question; I guess we will have to just respectfully disagree. To further the conversation a little, here is a short list of some of my all-time favorite BKK restaurants:

Chote Chitr: address 146 Praeng Phuton Road, is a small storefront restaurant near the Royal Palace that serves up really good authentic Thai cuisine. Give them a try for lunch.

Bussaracum: address 1 Si Wiang Road (off Soi Pramuan) , is on the high end / gourmet quality spectrum of Thai restaurants, but just as authentic as Chote Chitr. This place is unbelievable. The set course lunch is a great deal considering the quality and number of selections and dinner at Bussaracum is one of the best choices in BKK at any price.

Rut & Lek: address Soi Texas off Thanon Yaowarat in Chinatown, also deserves honorable mention on my favorite BKK restaurants list. It is open only at night, but serves up some the best seafood you will find anywhere.

So try one of these restaurants next time you are in BKK and let me know what you think.

NB

I will be visiting for the first time in June I plan on spending four or five days in Bangkok and then two weeks in Pattaya. I have a late flight that does not get into BKK until 12:30 AM I want to get a hotel that is right in the heart of the action and easy for a newbe to BKK to figure out the scene and get some action on the first night. I was thinking of staying at the Nana Plaza hotel but I am open to any other suggestion from the board. I am looking for a modest price room. Where is a good place for a newbe to stay his first night so he can find the action late at night on the first night.

Thanks

Chris

(Sorry ment to post this under the hotel section)

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1381951]When asking for the bill ("Check bin") they will give you a condom with your change.[/QUOTE]Is that what it was? I must have been drunk. I thought it was a really chewy, bad tasting after dinner mint.

[QUOTE=Chris Long;1382072]I have a late flight that does not get into BKK until 12:30 AM I want to get a hotel that is right in the heart of the action and easy for a newbe to BKK to figure out the scene and get some action on the first night. I was thinking of staying at the Nana Plaza hotel but I am open to any other suggestion from the board. I am looking for a modest price room. Where would be a good place for a newbe to stay his first night so he can find the action late at night on his first night.[/QUOTE]Given your circumstances and price range the Nana Plaza is a good choice. Ground zero location, $50 a night, safe in room, decent pool, and the morning breakfast buffet is included in the price. If you don't end up liking the place just move after a day or two. Plenty of hotels in the area.

SunLover

[QUOTE=Tir Alb; 1381638]Hi guys,

I am coming for a business trip for one week to Bangkok and would highly appreciate if you could provide some tips.

1. GF Hotels. What does girl friendly hotel means in Bangkok. Does it mean a girl can just come to my room at anytime be herself, or I can come with her to my room at any time. Most probably I will be staying at Amari Watergate, and I have read it is GF. But probably some of my business partners will be staying in the same hotel, so discretion is very important to me.[/QUOTE]In BKK it means that you can bring girls to your room and you don't have to pay joiner fee. It also means that you can have visitors that visits you (escorts / outcalls)

[QUOTE=Tir Alb; 1381638]4. Escort girls. Do you know of a good escort service / girl you would recommend.[/QUOTE]For outcalls you can also pick from a lot of the massage places. Check their websites for prices and pictures. Its a lot cheaper than actual escort services.

there is actually a great search function link in the upper right corner on every single site of this forum. click "advanced search", then "search single content forum", and remember to choose "show result as report".

dr bj soi 7/1.

[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] soi 8.

lollipop soi 10.

soms haven soi 14.

star of light patpong 2.

most places are 700 bath.

happy hunting

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1381765]And also feel free to pass any STD's to the women in your life. I mean they asked for it right? And the chances are I won't be coming into contact with them or the guys they give them to and the girls they then pass them on to and so on infinitum.[/QUOTE]Preaching to the pus love character. Way to go. Kinda like pissing into the wind, isn't it.

[QUOTE=Fun Filled;1381846]Yes Both the train will stop at Phaya Thai. At Phaya thai you have to change the platform to take a train to Nana.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the response. It is great that I can take either trains and still get off at Phaya Thai.

[QUOTE=AussieDoug;1381862]The regular train goes to Phaya Thai, the airport express does not, it stops short and you would need to change trains, so the regular city line is the way to go. When you get off at Phaya Thai there is a lift down one floor and then another lift down another floor, not the same lift, and then a longer walk (about 100yds) to Phaya Thai station.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I will make sure to take the Regular train. Nice to know that there are lift going down even if they are 2 different lifts.

Had 12 hours between flights and was staying at the airport hotel. Slept off the first 6 hours than managed, during my shower, to get all my (only underwear) wet. Great free-balling for the next 4 hour flight.

Took it as a sign, go dressed (sans underpants) and headed over to the airport for the next Airport Rail Link to Makkasan. 90 baht dropped there to Makkasan. Quick ride there and I assumed a quick walk to linked next station (Petchaburi). Unfortunately, the link was not great had to get out of Makkasan walk along a construction site, cross a busy road and then walk to the next station, Petchaburi. Then one stop along (16 baht) to Sukhumvit and then a walk to Asok, down again two more blocks and over to the park at Sukhumvit Soi 8. I knew where I wanted to be.

It's a small bar, with girls out the front waiting. Very relaxed, semi-residential area. I was introduced to a girl (kow?) and taken upstairs (payment after). Into a small room. She asked me to relax and get ready and bought me a drink and then went off for a few minutes. I stripped off and she returned and started cleaning my dick.

She then started hoovering. She'd just finished eating so the chilli on mouth stung a little but she got her rhythm and the moisture and the movement and her tongue got me over the line in about 10 minutes. She offered full sex for 1100 baht (but I didn't know if it was 1100 more or 1100 incl BJ). I asked her if anal or BBFS was on the menu and she said no. Fair enough, more of a fantasy anyway. Nothing else too adventurous on offer, but I'm intrigued by two girls at once giving me a BBBJ. Who would take the CIM for me? Anyway, I came in her mouth and she then spat it out and cleaned me up. I got dressed and was on my way in 15 minutes.

All very pleasant and mechanical. No real connection but a fun experience and I could imagine very addictive if I was a single man in Bangkok. No stunner, but I've seen worse in Melbourne brothels getting paid a hell of a lot more for terrible service.

All damage was 840 baht (100 baht tip. 40 baht for water. 700 baht for service).

Going back, knowing how bad the connection is to Makkasan from Petchaburi, I took the Central line back to Phaya Thai (my dick would fall off just watching the hotties get on board at Siam, FUCK) and then the City line back to Airport, just in time for connecting flights. I'd avoid getting off at Makkasan and always get off at Phaya Thai because the connections are Makkasan are not good.

Also if you are staying at Novotel Suvarnabhumi, there is a shortcut via the back entrance to the hotel lobby that leads directly to the deserted suvarnabhumi Airport Rail Link station. Much better than taking the airport shuttle.

[QUOTE=Pogostick;1382075]Is that what it was? I must have been drunk. I thought it was a really chewy, bad tasting after dinner mint.[/QUOTE]Was it also a bit oily?

[quote=supmam; 1382232]. then one stop along (16 baht) to sukhumvit and then a walk to asok, down again two more blocks and over to the park at sukhumvit soi 8. i knew where i wanted to be.

all damage was 840 baht (100 baht tip. 40 baht for water. 700 baht for service).[/quote][url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s is on soi 8. lollipop is on soi 10. you say you went to soi 8, but titled your report as about lollipop.

your description sounds like it could be either one. but [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s charges 800 for service, so i'm guessing it was lollipop. you were on soi 10, not soi 8.

i've yet to try lollipop. i've had some good experiences at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s, but i really dislike some of their recent changes. the price went up to 800 baht, and a 30 minute time limit has been imposed. i like to hang out and chat a bit and feel up my technician. i like taking my time and i really dislike knowing there's a time limit. sadly the girl gets less business because of management's decision.

yep, soi 10. lollipops. 700 baht. worth a try, but nothing different i guess to any other bj bar in bkk.

[quote=bartchamdo; 1382307][url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s is on soi 8. lollipop is on soi 10. you say you went to soi 8, but titled your report as about lollipop.

your description sounds like it could be either one. but [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s charges 800 for service, so i'm guessing it was lollipop. you were on soi 10, not soi 8.

i've yet to try lollipop. i've had some good experiences at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s, but i really dislike some of their recent changes. the price went up to 800 baht, and a 30 minute time limit has been imposed. i like to hang out and chat a bit and feel up my technician. i like taking my time and i really dislike knowing there's a time limit. sadly the girl gets less business because of management's decision.[/quote]

[QUOTE=BaldBalls;1382032]Not a happy ending for me but quite a few for her. And hey, that's my specialty.[/QUOTE]Hahahahaha that's the way to react, smile and chalk it off to experience.

Next time, pay only at the end, especially with Freelancers.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1382038]I did not find the food served in Cabbages and Condoms bland at all. I found it flavourful and spicy where it should. Besides I saw more Thai people in Cabbages and Condoms in Bangkok than tourists.[/QUOTE]Sure they weren't Japanese, Korean and Singaporean tourists?

[quote=bartchamdo; 1382307][url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s is on soi 8. lollipop is on soi 10. you say you went to soi 8, but titled your report as about lollipop.

your description sounds like it could be either one. but [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s charges 800 for service, so i'm guessing it was lollipop. you were on soi 10, not soi 8.

i've yet to try lollipop. i've had some good experiences at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s, but i really dislike some of their recent changes. the price went up to 800 baht, and a 30 minute time limit has been imposed. i like to hang out and chat a bit and feel up my technician. i like taking my time and i really dislike knowing there's a time limit. sadly the girl gets less business because of management's decision.[/quote]when i was there last week several times the place was busier than ever. also, with the price jackup, guys are actually leaving a higher tip. many girls before would get 100. now, dudes are leaving 1000 and walking out the door.

as far as the time limit, i have never been called on it. but i doubt most guys go over 30 mins anyway.

[QUOTE=Bartchamdo;1382307]I like to hang out and chat a bit and feel up my technician. I like taking my time and I really dislike knowing there's a time limit. Sadly the girl gets less business because of management's decision.[/QUOTE]Just out of curiosity were you saying that not having more time to develop a rapport with the girls means there is a probability they will be less likely to develop repeat customers?

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Harold444;1380345]Maybe this is why my last trip dec2012-jan2013 there were few girls on at 8pm-9pm, they were so tired from their 6-7 barfines a night. LOL.[/QUOTE]Or perhaps they got wind of the fact you were on your way there and had it on their toes?

[QUOTE=Harold444;1380345]I bet the hottest girl at rainbow4 doesn't come anywhere near 6-7 barfines a night during hi season and she is way prettier than anything baccara has.[/QUOTE]By your own admission you do not go to Baccara so how would you be in a position to comment?

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Zahle; 1382081]In BKK it means that you can bring girls to your room and you don't have to pay joiner fee. It also means that you can have visitors that visits you (escorts / outcalls)

For outcalls you can also pick from a lot of the massage places. Check their websites for prices and pictures. Its a lot cheaper than actual escort services.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tips.

[QUOTE=Pita123;1382348]Sure they weren't Japanese, Korean and Singaporean tourists?[/QUOTE]Japanese and Koreans I would recognize, they look quite different from Thai people. Singaporeans I am not sure I'd recognize, they seem to be a mix of many ethnicities, but I doubt they were there "en masse".

Some I could hear talking and it was Thai they spoke.

all good men.

i never been to asia.

had been to best places in europe and morocco great scenes.

yet in thailand how and where would you get fresh quality girls beauty?

are they rep001ered in differnt clubs or there are hot spots?

i wish some of smartest wuld give me good simple report to evaluate on asia wortheness please.

happy to serve you on inf fron cyprus and everywhere.

[QUOTE=Zahle; 1382081]In BKK it means that you can bring girls to your room and you don't have to pay joiner fee. It also means that you can have visitors that visits you (escorts / outcalls)

For outcalls you can also pick from a lot of the massage places. Check their websites for prices and pictures. Its a lot cheaper than actual escort services.[/QUOTE]Does all massages let take girls for sex? How much all night? And do mostly do anal?

What are the best quality girls in which massage give names please.

Carlo, cyprus

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1382033]. Serve it to me the way the cook would eat it. Better yet, don't ask because when a restaurant starts to ask this question it means they have already crossed the line and made certain compromises.[/QUOTE]Used to meet with a gal who worked in Spankys, Nana. She had been a Thai chef before her dancing life and every restauraurant we went to, she would ask for the chef, describe how she wanted each dish (more ganggal, less nan phrik etcetc). Was fun watching this dancing girl order food then correct the chef.

[QUOTE=Tir Alb; 1381638].

Most probably I will be staying at Amari Watergate, and I have read it is GF. But probably some of my business partners will be staying in the same hotel, so discretion is very important to me.[/QUOTE]Many guys (probably many who are all on same business trip write this same "discretion line" ). Brings to mind guys hiding behind plant pots to avoid colleagues when they are doing the very same thing.

Guys should just man up and say " ok colleagues, were all here in Bangkok and temples arent the agenda. We all know why we are here ". What goes on in BKK stays in BKK. Enough of this hiding behind plant pots. LOL

[QUOTE=FreebieFan; 1382609]Many guys (probably many who are all on same business trip write this same "discretion line" ). Brings to mind guys hiding behind plant pots to avoid colleagues when they are doing the very same thing.

Guys should just man up and say " ok colleagues, were all here in Bangkok and temples arent the agenda. We all know why we are here ". What goes on in BKK stays in BKK. Enough of this hiding behind plant pots. LOL[/QUOTE]There is no LOL in that FF. I think guys who are dead set against P4P are the ones outside of the norm. Most of the people I know and meet in my travels are in agreement with P4P.

I met up last night with a couple of guys who I have been on a dive boat with the past two days here in Palau because it was one guy's birthday. Somehow P4P was brought up and the English guy said the Filipina girls at the karaokes want $150. The birthday guy (German) said that his friend just spent $600 on one of those girls some way or other but had to use one of the other guy's room because the guy he was rooming with knows his girlfriend back in Germany. The English guy said he first stumbled on Pattaya back during the tsunami when he was traveling with a female companion and they could not get a flight to Samui. He said he sure as shit wished he wasn't with a girl on that trip.

Then the guy whose family owns the hotel where I am staying called me up last night and asked if I wanted to go out. He took me out to the karaokes trying to get me to get one of the Filipinas. I told him dude, you do realize I live in Thailand right? He said no wonder you aren't impressed with this shit. Plus tomorrow I will be leaving to go to the Philippines where the same girls will be from free up to $50. Damn $150!

[QUOTE=Dr BJ;1382388]Just out of curiosity were you saying that not having more time to develop a rapport with the girls means there is a probability they will be less likely to develop repeat customers?[/QUOTE]That's part of what I'm saying. I'm saying I dislike management encouraging an atmosphere that rushes the customer in and rushes them out. I find the 30 time limit completely unwelcoming. It guarantees that every visit is a clock watching experience. Sometimes the girls take 5 minutes just to get their bag of goods after escorting you to the room, not to mention the time it takes to partially disrobe, wash before and after, etc.

And yes, this results in less business from me. Part of it is that I never have a chance to develop rapport. Part of it is that I stay away in the first case. Unfortunately the result not only hurts the business that set the policy, but also the ladies who didn't set the policy. I feel bad for the ladies because they have no control over it.

After a tiring ride from Pattaya in what the hotel there called a limo. I end up with a major hotel fiasco. Booked wrong, at the Admiral Grand, only rooms available were the same rooms at 3X but their sister hotel Peninsula (5 star) has rooms for 2X. Ok I'll take it and get another room once I get wifi. Get to the hotel, lobby is nice. Get my stuff up to the room and guess what? Internet doesn't work. Plus the room is tiny. I call downstairs and they say it will be up later. No specific time just later. I know how this is going to play out. So I figure I'll wash up and make the best of it. I start looking around and there's 1000's of ants all over the place. Sh*t. This isn't going to work. I go downstairs to see if their hardwire lobby computers work. NOPE! Plus it's like 200 rooms with two elevators. Not happy.

I grab my iPad and run to the cafe next door order coffee and start searching hotels This kid server was very helpful. So I find one about three blocks away. Pay my bill run over and look at the rooms. It's a 4 star I think but the rooms are bigger and nicer than the 5 star 3 blocks away. I tell them to book it but they say I have to do it through Agoda to get the rate. No problem I have my iPad and they let me log in to their wifi. Done deal.

Back to the other place to collect my unopened luggage. I go upstairs. Grab it, tell the guy at the front desk I'm out of here. No internet and bugs in the room is not something I'm interested in dealing with. He hands me a bill for the room for a night. I tell him there is no way in hell that I am paying him a penny. I didn't as much fart in the room. Well this turns into an ordeal. I'm not budging. He says he has to call his manager. I tell him he's got 10 minutes and then I'm gone. He can call the cops if he likes, he has all my info. He can't get ahold of his manager but reconsiders and says I don't have to pay. I don't get this mentality. All I can think of is that the guy at the front desk doesn't have the authority to make any money decisions.

New hotel is perfect! Park Plaza Sukhumvit Bangkok Just south of Asoke Station on Soi 16. Five minute walk to Soi Cowboy. I get all showered up. Grab some food at a pub at the end of Cowboy. Good burger. I end up at Baccara. Great girls but packed. The only room was upstairs. I have a drink, talk to a guy from Canada and spot the next Ms Ninja. Spinner, cute, short hair, nice hips, and pretty smile. Few lady drinks later we're negotiating. She opens with 6K. I start joking about gold plated body parts and we agree on 4500 for LT. We stop at Sharks next door and have a few drinks. Back at the room she is definitely shy. Little mechanical but I'm able to break her down a little bit. We had a nice time and as agreed upon she left at 6 am after another pop. Plus the superbowl started at 6:30 so I had coffee, watched the first half, then had amazing breakfast at the hotel and finished watching the second half. Got cleaned up and went to do some tourist stuff. I'm tired, been doing tourist and mongering for over three weeks. At times multiple daily pops with multiple daily partners. I'm too old for this. I decide I'm going to take a night off. My penis is over joyed.

So it's getting around dinner time so grab a bite to eat and then start thinking."Ah maybe a blow job." So I remember that Dr BJ's is not far. I'm on 16, they are on 7-1. But first I think maybe I'll go to Nana first. Well I get to Nana and Rainbow 4 and everything else is kinda dead. It's too early. Damn! So I decide to walk to BJ's and get one. I find the place. Ask for the good Dr and he actually happens to be there but he's across the street at Nuru. So I decide to say hello. We sit and shoot the shit for a god 40 minutes. We start talking about Annie's. I tell hime there is one girl in particular that was recommended. Her name is Aor or something. I remember her pic on the site so I show it to him. Guess what? She's working there tonight. #24. But I'm not sure I want to make that call in my diminished state. But my big and little heads conspire to deplete my wallet even further. I opt for the 2 hour VIP room. I'm skeptical but she does look good. What a phuking body! Well up to the room, shower Nuru and then she starts working her magic. HOLY SH*T. In less than 10 minutes I've done pop 1. WOW! SHe is amazing! So I figure thats it. Nope, off to the bed and a really nice massage. She's got me hard again! I'm amazed. I end up almost pounding her through the exterior wall before I pop again. Still ahd about 30 minutes left and we laid there breathing heavy. She was impressed by the old guy and she surely impressed me. I will try and see her again before I leave. Probably at Annie's just to change things up.

Went to Nana after and there were plenty of girls in RB4 and the whole place was hopping. The LB's are agressive. Stopped back and checked out the talent at Baccara and noted for today.

Did the turist thing today. These cab guys suck. They are endlessly trying to run some scam. There are a few honest ones but they are hard to find. I had this the last time I was here. Take me here. Ohh too far no meter. So ok, how much? 200, ok, then they drop you off and want you to take the ferry or the sky-train for the rest of your ride. I threw him 100 and told him to GFU. Anyway. Probably heading back to Baccara. Got one picked out. I think her # was 22.

It doesn't look like I'm going to get any rest until I get home and the regular is asking when I'm going to see her. She doesn't understand why I'm not excited about sex Skyping. It's a rough life.

FN from front.

Sorry for any typos but I'm not proofing it.

some more thoughts on the subject.

around half a year ago i visited a lady regularly at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s. she took me above the usual 2nd floor area to a room on the 3rd floor. back then it hadn't been divided into booths so we had the big room to ourselves. she'd start the fans going, take off her top, and just stand directly under the fan for a few minutes just to cool down. (those girls sit in front of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s no matter how sunny the day is. it doesn't look fun.) after a few minutes we'd slowly get around to business and afterwards slowly wrap things up. it was relaxed in the usual thai style. our sessions would go anywhere from 25 to 40 minutes and a few times they were an hour. when they lasted around an hour i think it was partially because she wanted to hang out longer to avoid going back to the blazing heat.

if the story is typical, perhaps [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s management wanted to get more work out of their ladies so they created a time limit. who came up with the policy first, dr. bjs or [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s? did one copy the other or did they happen to have the same idea at the same time?

[QUOTE=Bartchamdo; 1382782]That's part of what I'm saying. I'm saying I dislike management encouraging an atmosphere that rushes the customer in and rushes them out. I find the 30 time limit completely unwelcoming. It guarantees that every visit is a clock watching experience. Sometimes the girls take 5 minutes just to get their bag of goods after escorting you to the room, not to mention the time it takes to partially disrobe, wash before and after, etc.

And yes, this results in less business from me. Part of it is that I never have a chance to develop rapport. Part of it is that I stay away in the first case. Unfortunately the result not only hurts the business that set the policy, but also the ladies who didn't set the policy. I feel bad for the ladies because they have no control over it.[/QUOTE]I agree with you and also found the time limit to be a turn off but the girls do have to some control. I mean if you're not finish right at 30 mins they can still keep going for a while longer to get you off. I suspect most people do finish before 30 mins but you do bring up a good point about when does the (session) time start? Is it when you enter the bar or when you the room or curtained area or when she returns to you with her supplies and inserts member into her mouth? If a time limit is needed I would say 45 mins to an hour would be more than reasonable and fair to all sides.

[quote=carlojj; 1382537]all good men.

i never been to asia.

had been to best places in europe and morocco great scenes.

yet in thailand how and where would you get fresh quality girls beauty?

are they rep001ered in differnt clubs or there are hot spots?

i wish some of smartest wuld give me good simple report to evaluate on asia wortheness please.

happy to serve you on inf fron cyprus and everywhere.[/quote]all fresh and used girls are available for sale at the market next to chatuchak. it is open 8 pm to 1 am daily.

make sure you take a flashlight to examine the merchandise before you buy. merchants have been known to sell used merchandise as new to unsuspecting newbies.

ask any tuk tuk driver to take you there.

From what I have read so far, taxi is the best option.

From BKK its about 1200-1800.

Return from Pattaya about 800.

I don't want to take the train so next best option I guess is to use service of someone like bell travel? Looks like they can pick you up and drop off at hotel plus privide non stop 2 hour A / C bus.

So is the second best option or is there sonething else also?

Can someone please advise?

Merci

[QUOTE=Margaya; 1382883]From what I have read so far, taxi is the best option.

From BKK its about 1200-1800.

Return from Pattaya about 800.

I don't want to take the train so next best option I guess is to use service of someone like bell travel? Looks like they can pick you up and drop off at hotel plus privide non stop 2 hour A / C bus.

So is the second best option or is there sonething else also?

Can someone please advise?

Merci[/QUOTE]I took a bus from the Southern Bus Terminal for a about 100 baht. Of course that is no option if you start from the airport.

[QUOTE=Margaya; 1382883]From what I have read so far, taxi is the best option.

I don't want to take the train so next best option I guess is to use service of someone like bell travel? Looks like they can pick you up and drop off at hotel plus privide non stop 2 hour A / C bus.

So is the second best option or is there sonething else also?

Can someone please advise?

Merci[/QUOTE]A good question. Bell Travel is cheap but you lose half the day on a trip which should take no longer than two hours. For instance, they pick you up midday, you have already lost the morning preparing for wait and departure. On pick up the minibus stops off at various hortels in the area, however, Mr Mumbai and Mr Delhi are still in bed. Now you wait. Eventual arrival at the bus depot, embark, proceed to Suvanabuhmi airport, more wait. Eventual departure and arrive Pattaya around Fourish. Debark, transfer to hortel. Day gone! Lost.

Unless there is a bus depot which one could pick up a direct bus to Pattaya; which I'm sure there is? This is our ideal option, for us budgeteers, that is. Would any Gentlemen happen to know of a specific service such as this?

Taxi is obviously your far more efficient, depending on time of day. I once took a taxi to Pattaya for 300B, a Sunday, sparrow fart, and nobody around; the taxi driver was looking for work and away we were.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1382910]I took a bus from the Southern Bus Terminal for a about 100 baht. Of course that is no option if you start from the airport.[/QUOTE]Excellent Mr Wolvenvact, I will check this one out. Wonderful how the forum can function as it should do instead of squabbling like children:
http://www.pattayabus.com

The link is not functioning unfortunately.

[QUOTE=Noddy; 1382922]Excellent Mr Wolvenvact, I will check this one out. Wonderful how the forum can function as it should do instead of squabbling like children:

[url]http://www.pattayabus.com[/url]

The link is not functioning unfortunately.[/QUOTE]The site is working again. Southern Bus Terminal to Pattaya is 124 baht and takes about 2 hours. The bus is AC and rather modern. The terminal is run like an airport. You buy your ticket upstairs. Each destination has its own ticket booth. You will get a ticket showing the time of departure and your seat number.

There are lots of restaurants in the terminal building, in case you feel hungry and have to wait a while. Don't forget to bring some non-alcoholic beverage with you as they will give you only one small bottle of water when boarding the bus.

And for those who wish to take the bus from the airport to Pattaya, there is a regular service, leaving every hour on the hour (from 7am to 10pm) to Pattaya for 134 baht. [url]http://www.airportpattayabus.com/2012/suvarnahbumi.html[/url]

Happy travels!

[QUOTE=Duniawala; 1382868]All fresh and used girls are available for sale at the market next to Chatuchak. It is open 8 pm to 1 am daily.

Make sure you take a flashlight to examine the merchandise before you buy. Merchants have been known to sell used merchandise as new to unsuspecting newbies.

Ask any tuk tuk driver to take you there.[/QUOTE]Always check the "sell by" date! And perhaps ask for a manual in English, if you are not used to Thailand and its customs.

[QUOTE=Margaya; 1382883]From what I have read so far, taxi is the best option.

From BKK its about 1200-1800.

Return from Pattaya about 800.

I don't want to take the train so next best option I guess is to use service of someone like bell travel? Looks like they can pick you up and drop off at hotel plus privide non stop 2 hour A / C bus.

So is the second best option or is there sonething else also?

Can someone please advise?

Merci[/QUOTE]Pattaya to BKK. I took a hotel taxi and of course that's overpaying but it's peace of mind for me. I talked to the driver and the hotel pays hm 1000b I hgot quotes from street Taxi's of $1200.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1382784]. At times multiple daily pops with multiple daily partners. I'm too old for this. I decide I'm going to take a night off. My penis is over joyed.[/QUOTE]Love those days when we are so shagged out we actually want to have a "day with no sex". Of course, those days start out with the best of intentions and the DWNS never actually happens. But its funny the internal discussions and arguments we all seem to have.

[quote=freebiefan;1383081]love those days when we are so shagged out we actually want to have a "day with no sex". of course, those days start out with the best of intentions and the dwns never actually happens. but its funny the internal discussions and arguments we all seem to have.[/quote]take an r&r day today. the hotel room is sure comfortable and i'm tired. just got a text that i'm almost out of credit on my phone. guess i got to go to 7/11. thought i saw one around soi 8nor 7. hey aren't [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s and dr bj's right around there? well i guess since i'm in the area i could jut walk by and see whats available.

[QUOTE=Noddy;1382920]Unless there is a bus depot which one could pick up a direct bus to Pattaya; which I'm sure there is? This is our ideal option, for us budgeteers, that is. Would any Gentlemen happen to know of a specific service such as this?[/QUOTE]There is a a mini bus service which leaves from victory Monument. If you are traveling towards Mo Chit you would exit the station on your right hand side, walk down the stairs, do an immediate U-turn, walk 20 meters and the alley on your right hand side opens up to reveal a large car park with mini buses going to a lot of destinations, Pattaya being one of them.

113 Baht one way. Personally I prefer this to the bus from Ekkami because 1. It is quicker 2. It is more comfortable, better seats and air-con. 3. They drive the length of beach road and you can jump out at any point, unlike the Ekkami bus which stops at the bus depot and you can sometimes wait up to 20 minutes for a baht bus to fill up which adds even more time to an already over extended journey.

Regards.

BJ

Can anyone recommend a few decent places to drink that don't charge ridiculous prices? (specifically for going out on dates with non p4p girls) And also away from lower Sukhumvit
I know quite a few girls enjoy Khao San Road, but I've only been there once

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1383065]Pattaya to BKK. I took a hotel taxi and of course that's overpaying but it's peace of mind for me. I talked to the driver and the hotel pays hm 1000b I hgot quotes from street Taxi's of $1200.[/QUOTE]That is correct. To the airport (BKK) from Pattaya it is 800 + 60 tolls, but into the city it does run 1200 + tolls.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano; 1383115]Can anyone recommend a few decent places to drink that don't charge ridiculous prices? (specifically for going out on dates with non p4p girls) And also away from lower Sukhumvit.

I know quite a few girls enjoy Khao San Road, but I've only been there once[/QUOTE]Black Swan pub is literally underneath the Asok BTS stop and only 100 meters from the Sukhumwit MRT stop. It's near Soi Cowboy, but you'd never guess it from the interior. It's a traditional English pub. Lots of older tourists, families, etc. Reasonable drink prices from 4-8pm, but unreasonable food prices.

There are quite a few places to drink in a complex right next to Ratchathewi BTS station. Look East from the BTS and you'll see around 10 bars and restaurants. Again, a possibility for a date.

Or you could go to Silom road. There are a couple of Irish bars within a stones throw of the BTS. At O'Malley's, for instance, draft beer is 80 baht before 7pm.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano; 1383115]Can anyone recommend a few decent places to drink that don't charge ridiculous prices? (specifically for going out on dates with non p4p girls) And also away from lower Sukhumvit.

I know quite a few girls enjoy Khao San Road, but I've only been there once[/QUOTE]Thong Lor for sure. What is your idea of ridiculous prices?

I had a couple of good nights in BKK. Last night was a disaster. Met this guy from Sweden and we were shooting the shit. I see one and ask mama about her."Only Japanese." Damn! I finally see another hot spinner on the second floor and she gives me the eye so I motion her over for a drink. She finished her dance and get a lady drink, takes a sip and then says she's got another customer waiting. I tell her that I want to bar fine her but obviously he gets first crack and she walks away. Now we're talking 15 second exchange. She took one sip of her soda. I'm like "hell no." Call the mama over and hand her the LD tab and tell her the story, and suggest that the guy she went to visit pay for the drink. Well I guess the mama balls her out and when she's back on the floor she's giving me stink eye. Telling her friend the story. I find it amusing. Honey, I love ya, but you're still a hooker, and your opinion matters little.

On the way out I see a few hopefuls on the first floor but we decide to go down the street to Tilac for a drink. It's late and the girl selection has been bare fined already. So we head back to Baccara after one drink. I make eye contact with a girl (pm if you want her number) and motion her over for a drink. We're egtting along great and we agree on BF for LT and head out. Grab a little food and we're walking to my hotel. We get back, she's fun, we're taking pictures of her, non nude but she's posing and having fun. Well after the shower we get in bed and she whips out the rule book. I know, shoulda went over this at the bar but the language is a problem. Well, no kissing, no BJ, all she does is lay there and take a pounding. That's her experience as that's what the Japanese like. My eyes are not slanted. So I tell her to hit the road, I'll cut my losses at the bar fine. She counters with how about ST. I nix that. Then she counters 500 baht for taxi."Where ya going honey? To Pattaya?" She walks out not to happy but doesn't make a scene. Anyway, I've been on the road for over 3 weeks with at least one a day and many days twice. I needed a break anyway.

Guys, and especially you Japanese guys, don't spoil these girls. Don't take shit from them. BKK is top dollar for SE Asia. Demand service for your money.

FN,

On the front fighting the assault on our manhood by feminists, do gooders, and no good hookers.

I would add that even though food at Black Swan is higher priced, it is excellent quality, the portions are much larger than average and the taste is excellent. You could easily share their fish and chips with another person unless you have a huge appetite. I consistently stop there every time I am in BKK. It is very conveniently located.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja; 1383194]I had a couple of good nights in BKK. Last night was a disaster. Met this guy from Sweden and we were shooting the shit. I see one and ask mama about her."Only Japanese." Damn! I finally see another hot spinner on the second floor and she gives me the eye so I motion her over for a drink. She finished her dance and get a lady drink, takes a sip and then says she's got another customer waiting. I tell her that I want to bar fine her but obviously he gets first crack and she walks away. Now we're talking 15 second exchange. She took one sip of her soda. I'm like "hell no." Call the mama over and hand her the LD tab and tell her the story, and suggest that the guy she went to visit pay for the drink. Well I guess the mama balls her out and when she's back on the floor she's giving me stink eye. Telling her friend the story. I find it amusing. Honey, I love ya, but you're still a hooker, and your opinion matters little.

On the way out I see a few hopefuls on the first floor but we decide to go down the street to Tilac for a drink. It's late and the girl selection has been bare fined already. So we head back to Baccara after one drink. I make eye contact with a girl (pm if you want her number) and motion her over for a drink. We're egtting along great and we agree on BF for LT and head out. Grab a little food and we're walking to my hotel. We get back, she's fun, we're taking pictures of her, non nude but she's posing and having fun. Well after the shower we get in bed and she whips out the rule book. I know, shoulda went over this at the bar but the language is a problem. Well, no kissing, no BJ, all she does is lay there and take a pounding. That's her experience as that's what the Japanese like. My eyes are not slanted. So I tell her to hit the road, I'll cut my losses at the bar fine. She counters with how about ST. I nix that. Then she counters 500 baht for taxi."Where ya going honey? To Pattaya?" She walks out not to happy but doesn't make a scene. Anyway, I've been on the road for over 3 weeks with at least one a day and many days twice. I needed a break anyway.

Guys, and especially you Japanese guys, don't spoil these girls. Don't take shit from them. BKK is top dollar for SE Asia. Demand service for your money.

FN,

On the front fighting the assault on our manhood by feminists, do gooders, and no good hookers.[/QUOTE]Unfortunate experience man. It's not just the Japanese that are spoiling the girls, Koreans and Chinese are worse! There's a reason why they're known as 123 men (1 inch cock, cums in 2 minutes, pays triple the going rate)

[QUOTE=FruitNinja; 1383194]I.

Guys, and especially you Japanese guys, don't spoil these girls. Don't take shit from them. BKK is top dollar for SE Asia. Demand service for your money.

FN,

[/QUOTE]Excellent point. But do not be too aggressive. As the buyer always spell out, before you pay, what you expect. Keep it friendly. Remember you argument on Soi Nana will be being discussed among the ladies within an hour on Soi Cowboy.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano; 1383115]Can anyone recommend a few decent places to drink that don't charge ridiculous prices? (specifically for going out on dates with non p4p girls) And also away from lower Sukhumvit.

I know quite a few girls enjoy Khao San Road, but I've only been there once[/QUOTE]As I'm not a backpacker, I've never been to Khao San.

You could take her to Saxophone at Victory Monument. As suggested Thonglor has lots of good places where normal Thai's head for an evening out and some drinks. Many pubs and whiskey bars and the like on Thonglor itself. You could try Yes RnB Karaoke on Thonglor Soi 10. Fun place.

I had read that vans are a bit cramped but you mention that they are a bit better. Anyways as long as it dies not take more than 2 hours and 400 bahts I won't mind.

The bell hotel pick service seem to take at least 4 hours and costs a bit under 400 bahts. I also read that there may be sone cheaper taxi options that cost around 1000.

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1383089]There is a a mini bus service which leaves from victory Monument. If you are traveling towards Mo Chit you would exit the station on your right hand side, walk down the stairs, do an immediate U-turn, walk 20 meters and the alley on your right hand side opens up to reveal a large car park with mini buses going to a lot of destinations, Pattaya being one of them.

113 Baht one way. Personally I prefer this to the bus from Ekkami because 1. It is quicker 2. It is more comfortable, better seats and air-con. 3. They drive the length of beach road and you can jump out at any point, unlike the Ekkami bus which stops at the bus depot and you can sometimes wait up to 20 minutes for a baht bus to fill up which adds even more time to an already over extended journey.

Regards.

BJ[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1383147]Thong Lor for sure. What is your idea of ridiculous prices?[/QUOTE]150 for a small beer. Typically you can get a large for 100 baht away from the touristy areas

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1383322]150 for a small beer. Typically you can get a large for 100 baht away from the touristy areas[/QUOTE]And get a buzz before paying Cowboy (literally) prices

[QUOTE=Harold444;1383371]50, 000 miles from USA to BKK on united air. Who says you can't get good award deals. LOL. You do need to book at last minute though![/QUOTE]I checked United and the lowest reward travel I see is 65, 000 miles in coach RT. I'm 1K and 2M. How did you get such a good deal?

Thanks, BP

[QUOTE=Big Poppa II; 1383406]I checked United and the lowest reward travel I see is 65, 000 miles in coach RT. I'm 1K and 2M. How did you get such a good deal?

Thanks, BP[/QUOTE]I am 1k also. You are right, it is 65, 000. Has been for awhile. Maybe he is talking about one way.

Also, they will fuck you on the upgrade to Bus. Class. I paid 30, 000 miles and $600. Last time I got it all the way from LA to BKK. About a 20 hour flight. This time I did not get the Narita to BKK portion upgraded. I called and they said no reimbursement of money or miles.

[QUOTE=Scorchin1470;1383231]Excellent point. But do not be too aggressive. As the buyer always spell out, before you pay, what you expect. Keep it friendly. Remember you argument on Soi Nana will be being discussed among the ladies within an hour on Soi Cowboy.[/QUOTE]I try to be firm when there is a problem. I'm not an asshole and do have a lot of compassion for these girls but at some point you have to say "hold on there honey." If the word got around the stunner next to me didn't get the memo.

Met a Canadian guy at Baccara and we had a blast. He rang the bell so then I rang the bell, then had my girl ring the bell. Expensive night but I'm leaving Saturday and probably won't be back for a few months.

Again there was no shortage of girls and plenty of mongers. The place is packed evey night it seems. I'd hate to be in the second floor if there was a fire.

I picked this spinner because she was a lot of fun at the bar and I could tell her body was prefect, tiny and perfectly proportioned. I guessed right. She must be 4'10" Very playful. I didn't even negotiate. She's next to me sleeping and as soon as she opens her eyes I've got something for her.

I'm on short time, leaving Saturday. Meeting the good Dr. Friday night and have #24 booked at Annie's Saturday before I leave for the airport.

Life is good. Pictures as I can make time when I get back.

FN

[QUOTE=FruitNinja; 1383452]Met a Canadian guy at Baccara and we had a blast. He rang the bell so then I rang the bell, then had my girl ring the bell. Expensive night but I'm leaving Saturday and probably won't be back for a few months.

Again there was no shortage of girls and plenty of mongers. The place is packed evey night it seems. I'd hate to be in the second floor if there was a fire.

FN[/QUOTE]After hearing a few good things about Baccara in Soi Cowboy I took a gander last week for the first time in ages and I came away somewhat disappointed. To each his own I know. The upstairs had two shifts of girls. When the first shift took off their blouses I suddenly thought I had taken a wrong turn and was in a Houston strip club. Of the 17 girls on stage 12 of them had enhanced man made breasts and not particularly good jobs in most cases. I was horrified. These gigantic rubber looking breasts were pointing in every direction other than the right one. Not my thing. Now the next batch looked younger, cuter and real. But I never found out for sure because they kept their shirts on like the proper girls I am sure they are. Left and walked down the Soi Cowboy Street of Shame and saw Coyote girls on parade. Loads of them hanging outside in their cute uniforms trying to entice men to be seperated from their money. Some of them were total knockouts. But they are Coyote girls and should come with a Warning Sign. For Suckers Only.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja; 1383194]I had a couple of good nights in BKK. Last night was a disaster. I finally see another hot spinner on the second floor and she gives me the eye so I motion her over for a drink. She finished her dance and get a lady drink, takes a sip and then says she's got another customer waiting. She took one sip of her soda. I'm like "hell no." Call the mama over and hand her the LD tab and tell her the story.

We head back to Baccara after one drink. I make eye contact with a girl (pm if you want her number) and motion her over for a drink. We're egtting along great and we agree on BF for LT and head out. We get back, she's fun, we're taking pictures of her, non nude but she's posing and having fun. Well after the shower we get in bed and she whips out the rule book. No kissing, no BJ, all she does is lay there and take a pounding. So I tell her to hit the road, I'll cut my losses at the bar fine. She counters with how about ST. I nix that. Then she counters 500 baht for taxi."Where ya going honey? To Pattaya?" She walks out not to happy but doesn't make a scene. Anyway, I've been on the road for over 3 weeks with at least one a day and many days twice. I needed a break anyway.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you had a double barrel of really bad luck at Baccara. The behavior of the cheeky girl was outrageous and very un-Baccara like. I have never seen such behavior at Baccara so I must ask if maybe you were drinking a lot or maybe having too good a time which might partially have blinded you and at the same time explain the unacceptable behavior of the girl. I mean no disrespect to you, but I had to ask if there was something you were leaving out of the story since this is so unusual and over the top. In any case, there is no excuse for the girl's behavior and if a bar girl ever pulled that trick on me, I would have complained and demanded that the drink be taken off my tab. You did the right thing. She had some nerve hitting you up for a lady drink while she was entertaining another customer.

The non-performance issue with the barfinned Baccara girl is another story and there are many outcomes that might have occurred. No kissing is a definite strike against the girl, but not enough IMHO to send her packing. I have a little story about a no kissing Baccara girl that I will relate at the end of this post. Generally, I have a 3 strike rule in effect with working girls, but if a girl commits a capital offence, then she is gone. In other words, if your girl had insisted on a covered blow job, refusing a BBBJ, I would have considered that strike 2 unless she agreed to BBBJ in earlier negotiations back at the bar and was reneging. Refusing to perform any BJ is a capital offence and you had the right to terminate the session without pay as you did. However, just because you had the right does not mean you handled the situation optimally. It is just my opinion, but the girl in your own words had 'countered with how about ST? ' which to me that sounds like she realized she had gone too far and was attempting to renegotiate at terms more favorable to you rather than be sent off with nothing. You might have countered with, 'ST ok: but I want BBBJ and Boom Boom. No BBBJ, No Boom Boom. No Boom Boom, you have to go now! ' I think she probably would have agreed at this point and you might have gotten decent shag. If the BJ was not good or she acted like a starfish (a capital crime) , then you could have terminated and kicked her out with taxi money and maybe 500bt. It would have been a gamble to continue with the girl, but I think it might have paid off.

Now my little story about a Baccara girl named T and me: I met T in Baccara around 4 years ago. She was very cute and had great spinner body with 'A' cup natural Thai tities. I couldn't take my eyes off her. I bought her a drink and we flirted. I was already spoken for with another girl that night so I did not barfine her. I came back a few nights later and found her. I bought her some more drinks, we held hands. Yada yada. And I barfined her. Long story short, in my hotel room T was at first reluctant to take shower with me, but I gently insisted and she accommodated me. Then in bed she performed an adequate BBBJ. After a while she asked if I was ready for condom and I said ok. Then she mounted me and we go at it Cowgirl. After a while I picked her up and put her on her back and we went missionary. Things were going pretty well so I naturally made a move to kiss her, but T turns her head away and says No, she does not like to kiss. That's strike 1. 25. (Her reluctance to take a soapy shower with me earned her a. 25 strike). OK so we continued with the shag anyway. I was feeling let down, but it was still an acceptable shag otherwise. In fact the session lasted longer because of her no DFK rule. In the end she got back on top, worked it cowgirl, then spun around into reverse cowgirl where she really leveraged her pussy to maximum effect and I had a powerful orgasm while holding her waist and looking at her lovely ass move. We talk a little. I paid her. I felt like having something to drink so we walked back to the bar. I spent the next couple of hours drinking, hanging out with T, and meeting some of her friends. Then I said goodbye and left. The night was not stellar, but it was ok. T was a hot little girl and I kind of liked her, but I figured I would never barfine her again.

A few nights pass by and I returned to Baccara looking for a girl. T spots me from the stage and smiles. I smile back. After her set she walked by. I nodded at her. She asked if I want to buy her a drink. I say ok. I am always friendly to my ex barfines. We flirt and talk a little, T sits close so our bodies are touching, and after a while she asks if I want to barfine her. I told her I really liked her, but I did not think she liked me very much because she did not want to kiss me. So it would be better if I did not barfine her again. To my surprise, she looked me in the eyes and said 'I like you. I did not know you before. I will kiss you now. ' And then she planted one on me. I wasn't expecting this response. I had come to Baccara that night to expressly barfine a new different girl, but making out with sexy little T in the bar, I decided to give her a second try. Well the rest is history. T turned out to be a great deep French kisser and the sex between us was real good that night. I took her one more time that trip.

A year goes by and I am back in Baccara. Not really looking for T, but on my 3rd night at Baccara, I see her. Boom we hook up. I barfined her a couple more times that year. One of those times was LT.

Another year goes by I return to Baccara, but I do see T. No problem I meet and shag 3 other girls.

Nine moths pass and it is now October 2012. I return to BKK and Baccara. The first night I shag a different perennial Go Go GF, M. The reunion sex was great. I barfine M a couple days in a row. Then the following day M texts me that she will not be in Baccara tonight. Around 9pm I show up and walk around the stage. I spot T dancing. I noticed something has changed. T has filled out a little. She smiles and I invite her over for a drink. It is not obvious with her clothes on, but knowing her body well, I can see that she has added some silicon to her chest. It looks alright with her top on, but I already lament that she messed with her wonderful, natural, little 'A' cup Thai handfuls. I tell her I missed her the last time I was in town and cupping her breasts I tell her I can see that she has been up to something. She laughs and asks if I like them. I tell her I do, but I liked them before too. She asks if I want to barfine her and I say absolutely.

All right I am finally getting to the point of my little story. I take T back to my hotel room. We soapy shower. I remembered the 1st time when she was reluctant to do that with me. We are now making out in the shower and on the bed and I remembered when she refused DFK the first time as well. We shag in multiple positions and God help me; I was having a problem with her hard little baseballs. I kind of don't like the pesky little hard ball things. It was such a problem for me that I could not finish in missionary so we roll over and T got on top, but the problem persisted. I kept seeing those baseballs. They were not natural and did not hang right. I reached up and pressed them in my hands, and they feel, I don't know, artificial. I can't cum. Finally, T spins around and performs her reverse cowgirl which is one of her best moves and I achieve the long sought orgasm. Afterwards we kissed and snuggled, watched TV, and talked. She spent a few hours with me and then we went back to Baccara for some late night drinks and what not. I spent 3 weeks in BKK in October / November 2012 and I barfined a few other Baccara girls, particularly M another girl I have known a few years. T was cool about my butterflying and she would always smile and say hello whenever I came to the bar. I would buy her a drink and sit with her even when I was barfining another girl. I eventually barfinned T one more time (a total of 2 times on my fall trip) and the results were about the same. She was great and really tried to make me happy, but I had a hard time cumming because of her silicon bolt-ons. I never told her the reason for my problem and she eventually got me off after an hour long marathon shag.

So on my last night in BKK, I am back at Baccara to pick up M to celebrate my bon voyage fair well night. I spot T and she comes over. I buy her a drink and tell her I am leaving and won't see her again until February. She asks if I am barfining M again. I tell her yes and she says she understands. M is my # 1 girl. I don't disagree with her, but I tell her I like her too, very much. Then T says, 'When you come back to BKK in February, we can boom boom, no condom, if you want. I know you no like condom. you cum better , no condom.' Well damn, that's one of the reasons why I love BKK and Baccara Go Go girls in particular so much. T is such a little darling. This story will be continued and I will be returning to BKK in less than 3 weeks. The point I was trying to make in relating this little story of T and me is that sometimes from a so so beginning good things can turn out. Over the last 4 years I have had some great sessions with T. I always fool around with plenty of other girls while I am in BKK, but it is always nice to hook up with her 2, 3, or 4 times per trip. I really wish she had not augmented her breasts. They used to be perfect. Anyway, I am looking forward to bare backing her in just a few weeks. I am sure I am not the only guy she goes natural with, but having known her for 4 years, I am pretty sure I am about to become a member in very small private club. I love BKK!

I'll be coming to Bangkok for the first time in March. My flight lands at like 1150pm. Trying to figure out where to get a girl when I get to my hotel real late. After customs, and taxi to hotel, ill prolly get to the airport like 2am'ish right? I'm staying at the marriott next to nana plaza. The gogos are closed that time no? What are my choices in that area at that time? Just girls on street? Any agencies or MP open? Searching the forums for as much info as I can find, I'm so exicted!

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1383483]After hearing a few good things about Baccara in Soi Cowboy I took a gander last week for the first time in ages and I came away somewhat disappointed. To each his own I know. The upstairs had two shifts of girls. When the first shift took off their blouses I suddenly thought I had taken a wrong turn and was in a Houston strip club. Of the 17 girls on stage 12 of them had enhanced man made breasts and not particularly good jobs in most cases. I was horrified. These gigantic rubber looking breasts were pointing in every direction other than the right one. Not my thing. Now the next batch looked younger, cuter and real. But I never found out for sure because they kept their shirts on like the proper girls I am sure they are. Left and walked down the Soi Cowboy Street of Shame and saw Coyote girls on parade. Loads of them hanging outside in their cute uniforms trying to entice men to be seperated from their money. Some of them were total knockouts. But they are Coyote girls and should come with a Warning Sign. For Suckers Only.[/QUOTE]Any bar that has Coyote girls is a bar that I avoid, or leave once I find out that they employ Coyote's! If I'm going to buy a girl lady drinks, I'm going to be feeling them up and doing an interview on them. Coyote's don't let you feel them up,"those damm nylons" get in the way, and they sure as hell don't go home with you. So what the fuck good are they to me?

[QUOTE=RainMania;1383220]Unfortunate experience man. It's not just the Japanese that are spoiling the girls, Koreans and Chinese are worse! There's a reason why they're known as 123 men (1 inch cock, cums in 2 minutes, pays triple the going rate)[/QUOTE]Sorry, but I know just as many white guys (and I am a white guy) that spoil the gals. I don't want to get into a pissing match about cost, but performance is a different matter. I will state that performance has gone down as costs have gone up. A girl that won't DFK, wants to give a BJ with a condom, refuses DATY, does not want to be fingered, and only wants to have sex for 10 mins mish is in the wrong line of work. Problem is so many guys of so many nationalities accept this type of service. Remember, you are the customer, it is her job to provide for you. I make it very clear to gals that I take that I expect her to perform like she is in a "sex movie" or like she is with a boyfriend she loves. After making that clear, if she pulls any of the non-nos listed above, I get up, put on my clothes and tell her in Thai that I am unhappy and that I don't want her to do anything she is uncomfortable with. I then leave her nothing or 100 baht depending on how far the sesh went. Wish I could charge her for the ST room, as she has just wasted my time, her time, and my money. I am always very polite and never show anger, lose my temper, and I keep a smile on my face. To that end I have never had a gal get angry about what I gave her as she is well aware that she tried to pull the old bait and switch. The longer I am here I see fewer and fewer gals wanting to go with long time residents, because the tourists demand far less.

Unfortunately guys come over here and create the same environment that they had with gals in their home country. The stick it in one of these 6th grade educated farm girls and in six seconds they are in love and willing to do "anything" for them.

Many of us living here have relationships with educated working Thai women and the P4P scene is just that. We are not looking for any type of relationship, just a very intense sexual experience without having to know anything about the gal, except what her body looks like and how she performs.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1383490]T.

To my surprise, she looked me in the eyes and said 'I like you. I did not know you before. I will kiss you now. ' And then she planted one on me. I wasn't expecting this response. I had come to Baccara that night to expressly barfine a new different girl, but making out with sexy little T in the bar, I decided to give her a second try. Well the rest is history. T turned out to be a great deep French kisser and the sex between us was real good that night. I took her one more time that trip.[/QUOTE]Exactly my issue. She is not being paid to "like you" and that should have nothing to do with the service rendered. She is being paid to provide a service. If she does not "like" you she should not go with you in the first place.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1383373]150 get you a drink at Baccara. Maybe they could raise prices 5 baht and play some thai rock and roll. Some of these thai dudes rock![/QUOTE]Wine Connection- 10 Belgians on tap. 140 baht per. 5 ltr. Beer Vault Soi 15- 180 baht pints of Hoegardden, Leffe, and Stella. And a buy one get one each month on different imported beers. No need to drink overpriced local swill on Cowboy.

City of Angels compared to Angeles City.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1382967]Low end to low end comparisons; AC is cheaper. Santos and Raymond bar girls vs. Nana parking lot[/QUOTE]The Nana Parking Lot (NPL) in Bangkok is one of the streetwalker (SW) hangouts in the area of NEP and lower sukhumvit. These girls usually go for 1000 baht (1300 pesos) ST and it has been that way since 2007 when I first came to the City of Angels (Krung Thep). But this isn't the low end for SWs in BKK, as prices as economical as 300 baht ST have been reported for Chinatown & less than the NPL cost elsewhere with allegedly better looking girls who normally cater to Thai men.

OTOH recent claims re AC SWs say that a lady can be taken ST for as little as 300 or 500 Pesos, which would be about the same as quoted rock bottom BKK rates. However there are many warnings to avoid SWs in AC, at least the ones who don't work in bars, and its apparently considered a much more serious concern than picking up their counterparts in BKK. Others guys in AC, however, feel quite comfortable bedding them.

BTW in both places, when the bar & gogo workers finish work & hit the streets, many can be picked up at reduced rates as, techicly speaking, SWs.

As regards Santos & Raymond St bar girls, they are located in what is called the "blow row" (BR) area of AC. They are not SWs and their services sound more comparable to the BJ bars in BKK than the BKK NPL SWs. I doubt the best looking gals on BR would measure up anywhere near the top 10 percent of NPL SWs in the looks department.

Certainly the blow row BJ specialists in AC are cheaper than their counterparts in BKK, at least Dr BJs, where the minimum cost is 1000 Baht for a 30 minute BBBJ session. Blow row rates in AC were recently 700 Pesos for 2 to 4 hours, and 1200 or 1300 Pesos for 12 hours, and that included not only BBBJ but FS. Quite the bargain pricewise when compared to BKK, especially if it were non stop sex, but if involving a lot of so called GFE instead, that would be more like GAE (Girl Annoyance Experience) to others whose attitude is once the sex is over they "pay her (the hooker) to leave".

Looks wise, blow row girls are not recommended, although the occasional fine specimen has been mentioned in what I've read thus far of 2012 reports. OTOH Dr BJ's website seems much more pleasant in that regard.

So, bottom line, as it concerns BBBJ type venues, if you prefer cheaper, there's AC. If looks are more your thing, then maybe try BKK.

When you compare hot young SWs around NEP in BKK for 1000 Baht ST to AC bar girls of the same quality in looks, Bangkok is the easy winner in value, price & cost, assuming it is a ST session in either case. Even bar & gogo ST prices in BKK are at times cheaper or comparable to EWR AC rates. Of course this doesn't take into consideration any differences in attitudes & service levels, the length of the ST, or the possibility of LT with EWR if the girl doesn't run. If you like a girl to hang around with you all night, for many hours, & get the equivalent of two or more ST sessions with her for the EWR price, then AC is the winner. But if you want a ST & then to get rid of the girl, then BKK could easily be considered the preferred value choice, for getting the most bang for your buck.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1382967]BKK has a far larger quantity of top end girls than AC, but they will ask far more $$$ than top end AC girls will ask. Top price for a looker in AC is around 4000p for LT. In BKK the sky is the limit.[/QUOTE]In BKK the sky is the limit, true, though as stated above 1000 baht (1300 pesos) ST for model material is easily attainable, at least IME. I'd also note that unlike EWR in AC, payment to SWs in BKK is after the session & they do not pressure or require you to buy any drinks for yourself or any lady. So the ball is in your court when it comes to them not living up to their pre bedroom agreed upon promises.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1382967]Yes. BKK has many more hotels and better prices than AC. But I like ABC and Lewis. I have no complaints and there are other good choices for less. BKK no question has better food and cultural attractions. AC has very little of that.

But, I think you are making a big mistake however in writing off AC and the PI. 1st a better comparison to make is between AC and Pattaya and then Manila and BKK. Compare Boom Boom town to Boom Boom town and big city to big city. So let's talk about AC and Pattaya. I love Patt. What's not to love? 10, 000 sex crazed Thai girls. More bars than I will ever visit. But I also dig AC. Why? Because AC is not Pattaya and Filipinas are not Thai girls.

The one thing that bugs me about Pattaya is the masses of cheap idiot tourists gawking around Walking Street, Beach Road, and 2nd road. These fools turn Pattaya into a carnival show in which everybody including the punters are part of the act. The crowds are so bad that I will not go to Patt in December or January anymore. AC, as crude and unrefined as it is, is like a private club for guys like us. This place is our private enclave. We don't share it with anybody![/QUOTE]I've never been to Pattaya, but if I had a choice I'd probably choose it over AC. Why? Because, in a word, it's Thailand. But as it stands, with the plan to live 12 months a year in Asia I can only spend about 6 months of it in LOS, so must go elsewhere for the other 6 months, which will likely be AC. I'll also have to plan for at least a few days or a week or two in a third country, for tax purposes.

BTW Beach Road SWs in Pattaya are reportedly often willing to go ST for a mere 500 Baht (about 665 Pesos or 17 USD). And generally speaking things there, most notably ladies & hotels, will allow your dollar to stretch further than in BKK.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1382967]2nd, and this is the main thing, AC and Manila are home to Filipinas, the friendliest (GFE) girls in the world. Look, I love Thai girls. They are sexy and beautiful and have tight bodies. And believe me I pay up to shag the hot ones and I have been visiting LOS since '89. But every time I get off the plane in the PI and hook up with my first few Filipinas of the trip, I am always taken aback at how fucking nice Filipinas are. It is hard to explain in words. You will have to take my word for it. They are different than Thai or Chinese girls. Maybe more open, more loving, or just needier, I don't know, but the difference is palpable. You can feel it when you are with them and when you sleep with them. I won't argue with guys who say Thai girls are prettier or have better bodies. I kind of agree with that. I won't even argue with you over comparative prices. I know it is cheaper in the PI, but that is not the point. Here is the point; even if Filipinas were more money than Thai girls or Chinese girls, I would still want to shag them and spend time with them.[/QUOTE]I've found Thai P4P girls to be quite friendly, certainly compared to Western feminists. They are largely about sanook (fun) which is a major aspect of their culture. So I'm not sure how the Philippine ladies are going to top that, but maybe some day I'll find out what you're describing.

However when I'm with a prostitute I'm looking for her to "take care" of me, please me, service me, do what I want, not have me treat her like a GF, watch TV with her, eat & drink with her, listen to her life story or have long intellectual discussions or debates together.

Sometimes my sessions with P4P TGs might be described as GFE in that they involve a lot of kissing, touching, cuddling or foreplay prior to sex, if sex even happens. But GFE means different things to different people, & has many definitions.

I had a cute young slim Thai SW hooker invite me to be her BF after a session today in which she sucked me & we fucked each other BB for 80 minutes. She kissed me lightly with a closed mouth less than 10 times. Personally I wouldn't call that what I'd want from a girl friend, as I enjoy lots of kissing, including lips to lips, LFK & DFK. Still a very enjoyable session from a 24 year old who looked about 19. In total we spent perhaps 5 minutes talking, one of the advantages of not being able to speak each other's language. More rock, less talk.

Usually my sessions with TGs involve lots of fucking, girls giving me long BBBJ's, DATO, BLS. TGs are not as much into kissing, especially before sex, as Canadian girls, although a good percentage get into DFK when I'm banging them, & they'll even initiate it. If PI girls were like Canadians in that regard, it would be a positive & give them an advantage over TGs.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1382967]Here is a small example of what I am talking about. After 3 weeks in BKK, a week in Patt, and 5 days in Macau on my last trip, I fly to Manila.

The first night in Manila (Makati) I head over to Rogues Bar on Burgos. I meet a sexy spinner and let her seduce me in the back of the bar.

Things got pretty crazy in the back of the bar. She had my cock out and was giving me a HJ as my hands wandered around underneath her panties. Back at my hotel we do the usual soapy shower, BBBJ, and sex routine. Because of all the shagging I had been doing, I was running low on vital fluids. We shagged in various positions for around 40 minutes, finally moving into doggy where she finally collapsed and I planted my seed. It was exhausting. She turns over and smiles and says she came two times, how was it for me, and hugs me. We kiss for a while and then fall asleep in each other's arms. I wake around 4 in the morning. She is still wrapped around me. I have a morning hard on and I start kissing her. She wakes and grabs my dick. We begin session 2 and then fall asleep again. Around 10am we both awake, again in each other's arms, and after a quick run to the bathroom, session three begins. Ok, Ok. It was a good shag. No big deal. I know that, but the way she held me and wanted to do whatever I wanted to make me happy, that was the thing. I don't know; words are hard to find that can explain it. It was different than in LOS or Macau. More GFE from the get go. I don't know. Anyway I bought her some breakfast and we said goodbye. But not before we exchanged phone numbers and she asked if I was going to stop by the bar tonight. I told her I might, but I was not sure. I saw her again three days later on my last night in town and we had another good time. Nice girl. I will look her up when I return to MNL. But there are thousands like her in MNL, AC, Subic, and Cebu. That is why I visit the PI.[/QUOTE]It sounds like you had an awesome time. LT or sleeping with a gal is not my style or cup of tea, but to each their own.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1382967]"but the way she held me and wanted to do whatever I wanted to make me happy. that was the thing."[/QUOTE]I think there are a lot of TGs with this attitude. As they put it, they want to "take care you".

With that in mind, what I'll be looking for in PI are girls who can:

1. Shag for an hour or two at a time. Even starfishes may apply, as I'm often up for a sweaty sexercise workout. (Many TGs are great at just laying there like a lame fish, as opposed to the other extreme of a wild tigress scratching you all over & biting you. I'll take the corpse over the tigress).

2. Give BBBJ for a hour or two, non stop, and in just the way I like it.

3. Perform DATO & or BLS on me for an hour or two, while I play the violin, till I cum, or end the session due to exhaustion.

4. DFK while simultaneously giving me a prostrate anal hand massage as my guitar gently weeps.

[QUOTE=Psychman]About the four passes through, I am stopped in my tracks in front of the wonderfully names 'One Eyed Wench (I mean, who can resist that name, and who amoung you has not wanted to Phuck a one eyed wench?). What is it that has locked my feet into the ground and pulled my eyes toward it as if god has appeared in front of me? A perfect, perfect 10. I mean, to me, a 10 is not something you just throw around as a rating. To me, supermodel hot is a 9- a 10 is that hot with just something extra, some deep and profound sensuality that transends the looks. Well, there she is, a door girl in a tight par of jeans with a perfect little ass, B / C cup, flat, flat stomach, but enough muscule tone that gives look of your yummy gym rat- pefrect. The face is out of this world. I almost never just go with a girl on looks alone- I have to feel a chemistry. But, I am phucking this one even if she is the most sour.ussed ***** in the world, even if she is the emodiment of money grubbing skank. For the 1500 paso EWR (34 bucks) , even if she terms out to be a frigid matress bag I will see god ever second while inside her.[/QUOTE]04-30-12 20:28.

The Philippines: Angeles City

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1383529]Exactly my issue. She is not being paid to "like you" and that should have nothing to do with the service rendered. She is being paid to provide a service. If she does not "like" you she should not go with you in the first place.[/QUOTE]I think we are in solid agreement on this. No soapy shower is a strike. No DFK is a strike. No BBBJ is a strike. No blowjob (covered or bare) is a capital offense. Starfish is a capital offense. My rule is 3 strikes and she is out. One capital offense and she is out. All P4P Thai girls know what they should do. All these performance related issues are part of the implied unwritten contract between the customer and the service provider. In a more perfect world we wouldn’t need to discuss these things with the lady in question, but in reality, some bad girls try to cut corners. It is also true however, that when a working girl likes you, her performance/service is better. That may be unprofessional of her, but that is human nature.

If you take your time and flirt-interview the girl properly, these problems can be avoided in the first place 95% of the time. My point is once in a while we end up in bed with a lemon. I was trying to illustrate how to make lemonade. The alternative is to terminate and send the girl packing as FN did. This is a lose lose situation for both parties. It is up to the punter which road to take. Once in a blue moon nothing can be done to change the situation for the better and the girl must be sent away.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1383619]I think we are in solid agreement on this. No soapy shower is a strike. No DFK is a strike. No BBBJ is a strike. No blowjob (covered or bare) is a capital offense. Starfish is a capital offense. My rule is 3 strikes and she is out. One capital offense and she is out. All P4P Thai girls know what they should do. All these performance related issues are part of the implied unwritten contract between the customer and the service provider. In a more perfect world we wouldn't need to discuss these things with the lady in question, but in reality, some bad girls try to cut corners. It is also true however, that when a working girl likes you, her performance / service is better. That may be unprofessional of her, but that is human nature.

If you take your time and flirt-interview the girl properly, these problems can be avoided in the first place 95% of the time. My point is once in a while we end up in bed with a lemon. I was trying to illustrate how to make lemonade. The alternative is to terminate and send the girl packing as FN did. This is a lose lose situation for both parties. It is up to the punter which road to take. Once in a blue moon nothing can be done to change the situation for the better and the girl must be sent away.[/QUOTE]Very well said. A short interview and agreement before any commitment is the best advice. Also, pay after.

This mostly applies to the MP's for me. Before the girl even starts her massage, tell her what you want. Unless it is Lavanna or a high end place, they know you are not there for the massage. 95% of those places make you pay after. So if she says, HJ only 2, 000 B (which happened to me on this last trip) , don't be rude. Just say no thanks, smile, and walk out the fucking door.

Also, I always carry a small bottle of lube and Listerene with me. Sometimes they won't kiss because they think their breath smells. My experience is Thai girls are self conscious about this. They are fine after a shot of Listerene.

The lube is for when in fact their pussy is really too small. Grease it up and no problems.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1383699]I say again. Purchasing a girl is not like buying a m D hamburger. You know what you get when you buy burger. You never know what you going to get with a girl.

I see time and time again why girls prefer japanese- if japanese paid same as farang I bet a lot of girls still wouldn't go with farang. Faranag is just too hard to please. If I was a hooker I surely wouldn't want to exchange bodily fluids with a stranger.[/QUOTE]I don't totally disagree.

But I have found many hookers that are like us believe it or not. Perverts like many of us. There are girls out there who love sex. Girls who are not haters and really just want to make a man/customer happy. They love cum in their pussy, love to suck cock with CIM, and eat ass.

I have have girls eat my ass, w / o even asking them too. A price has already been agreed upon, so no tip is in order. And the ones that ask you to CIM and eat it w/o me asking. Why would they do that unless they enjoy?

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1383619]I think we are in solid agreement on this. No soapy shower is a strike. No DFK is a strike. No BBBJ is a strike. No blowjob (covered or bare) is a capital offense. Starfish is a capital offense. My rule is 3 strikes and she is out. One capital offense and she is out. All P4P Thai girls know what they should do. All these performance related issues are part of the implied unwritten contract between the customer and the service provider. In a more perfect world we wouldn't need to discuss these things with the lady in question, but in reality, some bad girls try to cut corners. It is also true however, that when a working girl likes you, her performance / service is better. That may be unprofessional of her, but that is human nature.

If you take your time and flirt-interview the girl properly, these problems can be avoided in the first place 95% of the time. My point is once in a while we end up in bed with a lemon. I was trying to illustrate how to make lemonade. The alternative is to terminate and send the girl packing as FN did. This is a lose lose situation for both parties. It is up to the punter which road to take. Once in a blue moon nothing can be done to change the situation for the better and the girl must be sent away.[/QUOTE]I am agreeing to most of what is written from a various set of ISG posters lately when it comes to deviding various performance into strikes vs capital offenses. I have somewhat a bit more strict regime as I consider refusal of BBBJ as a capital offense (actually a crime). Giving good head is an art and I am into fine arts and in an utopic world there would be no such things as covered BJ`s.

As stated earlier all the girls in the P4P game (Go Go, BG, FL`s, Escorts, G-clubs) know the game. Corner cuttings we leave to the proffesional race drivers.

Normaly I put my pride into screening / interviewing the girls (I mostly do FL`s). Looks, body, chemistry, mood are important factors I try to evaluate on sceene before bringing them back. This normaly ends in from good to great sex sessions. Only a couple of times did I have this change of attitude when entering room / session soon starts. And one time a Spasso girl refused to give me BBBJ. This was such a turn off and a capital crime so I had to, imidiately, send her on her way. I actually consider this worse than a starfish performance (memory is fading but I am sure I did encountered atleast a couple). I gave her 1000BHT as in taxicompensations. But rethinking this event I should not give her more than max 200BHT as in if she pulls this stunt on several guys a night and gets a 1000 it is a pretty decent income for actually doing nothing except from refusing to commit into BBBJ. Made me think!

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1383753]I have have girls eat my ass, w / o even asking them too. A price has already been agreed upon, so no tip is in order. And the ones that ask you to CIM and eat it w/o me asking. Why would they do that unless they enjoy?[/QUOTE]It's not necessarily that they enjoy it but simply learned things that way and think it's normal or expected. I knew a BG who did CIM and hated it but said she thought it was part of normal sex. Being a selfish prick, I did not correct her.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1383753]I don't totally disagree.

But I have found many hookers that are like us believe it or not. Perverts like many of us. There are girls out there who love sex. Girls who are not haters and really just want to make a man / customer happy. They love cum in their pussy, love to suck cock with CIM, and eat ass.

I have have girls eat my ass, w / o even asking them too. A price has already been agreed upon, so no tip is in order. And the ones that ask you to CIM and eat it w / o me asking. Why would they do that unless they enjoy?[/QUOTE]I absolutely agree with you. Some SW do enjoy the sex and are eager to push the boundaries and try new things. After all they may be getting fucked several times a day, have experienced all the "normal stuff," most of the not so normal stuff and are eager to try something new that doesn't fall beyond their limits, whatever those may be. In a post a few weeks ago a forum member reported Apple at Cherry Massage told him that she really likes anal hard and fast. Otherwise she gets bored! Another forum member claimed she told him she was up for something new and wanted to see what it was like to get banged by two guys at the same time. I like her spirit! I've had countless experiences with SW when it was clear they were really getting into it (could have been acting, but I don't think so) and took great pleasure in seeing that I was really into what they were doing to me (no doubt also thinking about the nice tip I was going to give the.) I also have a friend who is a club promoter on Miami Beach, Florida. This fellow is friends with several escorts. He claims they tell him one reason they are in the business is they really love to fuck and feel they have hit the jackpot when they get a John who is reasonably nice looking, well groomed and knows how to fuck.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1383490]Sounds like you had a double barrel of really bad luck at Baccara. The behavior of the cheeky girl was outrageous and very un-Baccara like. I have never seen such behavior at Baccara so I must ask if maybe you were drinking a lot or maybe having too good a time which might partially have blinded you and at the same time explain the unacceptable behavior of the girl. I mean no disrespect to you, but I had to ask if there was something you were leaving out of the story since this is so unusual and over the top. In any case, there is no excuse for the girl's behavior and if a bar girl ever pulled that trick on me, I would have complained and demanded that the drink be taken off my tab. You did the right thing. She had some nerve hitting you up for a lady drink while she was entertaining another customer.

So on my last night in BKK, I am back at Baccara to pick up M to celebrate my bon voyage fair well night. I spot T and she comes over. I buy her a drink and tell her I am leaving and won't see her again until February. She asks if I am barfining M again. I tell her yes and she says she understands. M is my # 1 girl. I don't disagree with her, but I tell her I like her too, very much. Then T says, 'When you come back to BKK in February, we can boom boom, no condom, if you want. I know you no like condom. You cum better, no condom. ' Well damn, that's one of the reasons why I love BKK and Baccara Go Go girls in particular so much. T is such a little darling. This story will be continued and I will be returning to BKK in less than 3 weeks. The point I was trying to make in relating this little story of T and me is that sometimes from a so so beginning good things can turn out. Over the last 4 years I have had some great sessions with T. I always fool around with plenty of other girls while I am in BKK, but it is always nice to hook up with her 2, 3, or 4 times per trip. I really wish she had not augmented her breasts. They used to be perfect. Anyway, I am looking forward to bare backing her in just a few weeks. I am sure I am not the only guy she goes natural with, but having known her for 4 years, I am pretty sure I am about to become a member in very small private club. I love BKK![/QUOTE]NB,

Thanks for the input, I appreciate it. I don't drink so that's not an issue. I have a lot of compassion for these girls and treat them well. I've been doing the P4P thing for many a years and have had a blast and would say hat my experiences have been 90% positive. These girls, and especially bar girls are pros at separating you from your money. But there has to be a certain amount of respect in any transaction. The European I was with was as amazed as I was at her disrespect. Then after being called on it she acted like a real be*tch when she was back on the dance floor. She definitely has issues.

I barfined another girl off the same floor the next night and she's still laying in bed next to me. She's not the best in bed, rather shy, in town two months. She's cuter than anything I've seen in the last month and I liked her personality. She actually took me to her place to get some clothes. We've been hanging around having a lot of laughs and some decent sex. She's taken to calling me pa pa. Little bit of an age difference.

I get what your saying about long term relationships with these girls. Although I have my few back home when I travel I prefer short. I'll keep a girl for days if I like her but I don't go looking for them on return trips unless they were stellar. I'm not interested in coaxing steller out of them at a cost of thousands. I get it, the job sucks for them. I treat them very nice and I expect to be treated the same. I understand they run into a lot of jerks and have to build defences to stay sane but I also think that after a while they should be able to judge character over a few hours of lady drinks and playfulness. And if they can't they need to learn to survive.

The girl that I booted from the room I'm not sure of. I mean we had a good repor going. I offered her food, and she ate, I asked if she needed anything on the way back to the room. Did she want anything special to drink. I try to be nice. The one I'm with right now got treated to a very nice upscale massage at a Thai spa. Not a street massage. The tip was the cost of a street massage. Anyway. For her to act as she did was totally out of expectation of such a transaction and she wasn't a 20 year old, she had been at it a while. By the time that she countered with ST I was tired of the game and can't see how it could have possibly turned out well. A lot of guys would have been ok wih that I was not. Maybe next time she will think twice. Like your thinking of T's silicone. I had two bad experiences in one night and returned anyway and am enjoying myself now. My only problem is that I leave tomorrow.

I'm going out with one of the regulars in town tonight otherwise I would barfine J again. I do have an appointment with #24 at Annie's as my goodbye to BKK.

Lastly I am not put off with Baccara or the scene in BKK. I will be back to both. It's the nature of the business. I've done it long enough to accept hat there will be disappointments. I share part of the blame for not getting the details up front. Usually my intuition is good without having to draft a contract. This time it wasn't. Not crying over it, just reporting. Some guys may handle it my way, some might yours, some might a 100 different other ways. The beauty of the forum is you see what some of the pitfalls of the business are. You learn to adjust your behavior to where you're comfortable. In the end, history is perfect as you can't change it but you can adjust your future behavior.

Sorry if this response is all over the place but it's early and we didn't eat dinner until 12:30.

Little story about J. She sits through breakfast and doesn't eat a thing. All day I'm asking her if she's hungry and keep getting "no." We go to her place, hang out a little, get our massage and head back to the hotel. Still not hungry. We boom boom and sleep. Wake up late and shower and go out. Find a nice place to eat on Soi 11 and sit down. She has a long discussion with the waitress and finally the food comes. All five main courses and a few appetizers. She proceeds to eat enough food for 4 men. I'm amazed. She's can't be taller than 4'10" and maybe weighs 90 lbs. It was a good source for a lot of fun joking for the rest of the night.

Sadly my month is coming to an end. I'm tired, the business is in need of some attention, I miss a few friends, and a few of my regular girls, but I am sad that I have to leave. There is something inherently right about a place that you can walk 10 minutes and get an afternoon BJ. A place where a old coot can walk down the street with a 20 year old stunner and the only leers he gets is from other guys who wish she were with them. I had the girl at the massage parlor tell me that my girl was beautiful when J went to the bathroom."Don't fall in love with Thai women or you will have your heart broken." "The young girls are all about money." No chance of that but I surely can understand guys doing so. I'll rent. I'm sure had I asked if she was available after work she would have said yes. It seems that the Thai girls whether regular or working are always working. They are all playing the field. I guess it's become ingrained in the culture. Most have some experience with foreigners and money.

FN

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1383699]I say again. Purchasing a girl is not like buying a m D hamburger. You know what you get when you buy burger. You never know what you going to get with a girl.

I see time and time again why girls prefer japanese- if japanese paid same as farang I bet a lot of girls still wouldn't go with farang. Faranag is just too hard to please. If I was a hooker I surely wouldn't want to exchange bodily fluids with a stranger.[/QUOTE]It is not like buying a hamburger, because it is not a product. It is a service. You are purchasing a service, like car repair, or computer repair. With any service you expect it to be performed well. If a repairman only fixed one of the things agreed upon in your computer, you would not be happy. Remember you are the customer, she is the provider. You have hired her for services. It is up to her to perform. You are not there to make her "happy." She is there to make you happy. For that you pay her money.

While on the topic of cheeseboogers, NanaBurger was actually pretty good! I'd recommend to anyone if they have a slight urge to eat a tasty burger before entering the nanaplaza complex

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1383896]While on the topic of cheeseboogers, NanaBurger was actually pretty good! I'd recommend to anyone if they have a slight urge to eat a tasty burger before entering the nanaplaza complex[/QUOTE]I thought about it until I saw where they keep the meat stored.

But I eat SW pussy, so not much difference I guess.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1383611]at least Dr BJs, where the minimum cost is 1000 Baht for a 30 minute BBBJ session.[/QUOTE]There are actually two different rates. The cost for a Consultant is indeed 1, 000 baht for a 30 minute BBBJ, however a Nurse cost's 700 baht for a 30 minute BBBJ.

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1383898]I thought about it until I saw where they keep the meat stored.

But I eat SW pussy, so not much difference I guess.[/QUOTE]The cheeseburger doesn't wake your wanky. The shit we don't do for that few seconds of ahhhhhh.

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1383899]There are actually two different rates. The cost for a Consultant is indeed 1, 000 baht for a 30 minute BBBJ, however a Nurse cost's 700 baht for a 30 minute BBBJ.

Regards,

BJ[/QUOTE]Is it just BBBJ or do you also get full service for the price.

Thanks.

Chris

[QUOTE=Chris Long; 1384091]Is it just BBBJ or do you also get full service for the price.

Thanks.

Chris[/QUOTE]I don't think he is on here everyday. Last time I went you add 1000 B to the prices he stated for FS.

Not everyone's cup of tea. She is in her late 30's and use to be at Annie's. I have seen her 3 times and taken her LT. If you check BJ's site under staff she is "backadamowth". Her real name is Fon.

She is a sweet girl and a pleaser. A great GFE 3 holer. I am just sayin. She has 2 kids, so be nice and not cheap with her.

[QUOTE=Chris Long; 1384091]Is it just BBBJ or do you also get full service for the price.

Thanks.

Chris[/QUOTE]700 and 1000 is for BJ. If during the BJ you want full service just add 1000 baht.

Very little sleep. I think I reported that I had a great Nuru at Dr BJ's. I thank him for his hospitality and adice. Had one good pull from Baccara and then a day that just didn't work out. I still haven't decided whether I should have given her anything as some guys suggested. I've never purposely disrespected a girl but I felt that she was disrespectful and I treated her in kind. I'll play by any rules but there's no room for renegotiations after you've take your moves.

I had a good time with my two nighter. Great girl. Not the best sex but she was fun and I had to be inside her. It just felt right. She took off about 10 am. I showered up, went and had breakfast and headed over to Dr BJ's for a. BJ. Texted the good doctor and got his recommendation. I was not unhappy.

Last night the good Doctor and I went to Nana. I swore I wasn't going to pull anything as I was tired and felt it would have been a waste. Besides I had an appointment at Annie's for 12 today. All good plans.

We started out at Rainbow 4 and it was packed. Good selection but nothing clicked for him. I wasn't looking so on we went. Stopped at Billboard and saw a couple of possibilities. He was negotiating real hard with a waitress and had a good deal going. I was still in the "I'm not doing it mode." There was one little wide hipped shortie that was trying to get my attention real hard. Let's call her "N." Well the Doc tells his girl that he's going to get her tomorrow because he's going to hang out with me. Now he negotiated 1500 for 2 hours, three holes. That's some negotiations. So we go to Anglewitch and watch a little of the show. I tell him that I'm tired and he should have taken the waitress, especially at that price. So back upstairs we go. She's talking to another guy but finally comes over and they continue their talk."N" is still trying to get my attention so finally I cave. Call her over and buy her a drink. Next thing you know the negotiating starts. Well I get pretty much the same deal the Dr. Does but one less hole.

We hit it back to the hotel. All I really wanted to do was get off. Nothing elaborate. We get back we do out business, and she gets comfortable. Ohhh noo! Baby, I'm tired, got to get up and pack, eat, go get my slacks I had made, pick up my new glasses and go meet the Dr at Annie's at 12. Then back and get ready for the airport. I hated to kick her out because she was really nice but I promised to see her on my return and she was happy.

Met the Dr. At Annie's. #24 was outside and she acted like I was her long lost love. Ran down the street to greet me. Ha!

Had a great session. Amazing woman in a lot of ways. She's 20 and really has her head on right as far as what she's doing and her long term goals. Very likable girl. Great mix of GFE / PSE. She adjusts to your mood.

The Dr and I ate lunch at a great little place a little further down 4.

I'm at BKK Singapore Air lounge having some food and waiting for my flight. The trip was a great success. Still a little of a blur. I'm not used to going full blast for a month. I might be able to make some time for Songkran in April. Will see if I can get a decent rate with miles this close to travel.

Back to the cold. Back to the warm honeys at home.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1384131]I don't think he is on here everyday. Last time I went you add 1000 B to the prices he stated for FS.[/QUOTE]Correct LP. So 1, 700 and 2, 000 for FS which is for one hour in the BJ booth's.

Regards,

BJ

I have been starting to research my next mongering trip (done CR, DR mostly) and wanted to try out Bangkok seeing as I have the time (was outsourced LOL). Ideally I want to do it on the cheap and that includes the flight, hotel I

Have plenty of links too. What I wanted to know was what airlines travel from Toronto (YYZ) and go to Bangkok. I would also appreciate any american carriers if possible. PM me as I have access to the photos (which I love).

Thanks.

Kozak

[QUOTE=Kozak; 1384504]I have been starting to research my next mongering trip (done CR, DR mostly) and wanted to try out Bangkok seeing as I have the time (was outsourced LOL). Ideally I want to do it on the cheap and that includes the flight, hotel I

Have plenty of links too. What I wanted to know was what airlines travel from Toronto (YYZ) and go to Bangkok. I would also appreciate any american carriers if possible. PM me as I have access to the photos (which I love).

Thanks.

Kozak[/QUOTE]Ni, I am not being sarcastic but pointing out the obvious in that any good travel agent will have far better answers that members here. Each of us have views.

I have travelled worldwide for 30 plus years frequently every year but I always get a travel agent to look at flights for me.

Where you might gather information from here is when you want views on particular airlines you have chosen.

But bluntly Bangkok and Thailand has enough Cheap Charlies; Spend an hour going through posts here and see what your plans will cost and make a budget. Then see if you can afford it before you come.

Many moans on here are from those convinced that they could get by on $50 a day (you can as a backpacker but not as a sex tourist).

[QUOTE=Kozak; 1384504]I have been starting to research my next mongering trip (done CR, DR mostly) and wanted to try out Bangkok seeing as I have the time (was outsourced LOL). Ideally I want to do it on the cheap and that includes the flight, hotel I

Have plenty of links too. What I wanted to know was what airlines travel from Toronto (YYZ) and go to Bangkok. I would also appreciate any american carriers if possible. PM me as I have access to the photos (which I love).

Thanks.

Kozak[/QUOTE]Sorry man. It sounds like you have traveled a bit.

Do you know how to search for a flight? I am curious what anyone on here can tell you differently then if you spend 5 minutes searching for flights.

As far as hotels, there is plenty of info. here in the forum. Hotel specific.

But here is one for you for just over $4 a night on Booking.com. It is close to the subway.

http://www.hostelbookers.com/hostels/thailand/bangkok/85324/

[QUOTE=Kozak; 1384504]I have been starting to research my next mongering trip (done CR, DR mostly) and wanted to try out Bangkok seeing as I have the time (was outsourced LOL). Ideally I want to do it on the cheap and that includes the flight, hotel I

Have plenty of links too. What I wanted to know was what airlines travel from Toronto (YYZ) and go to Bangkok. I would also appreciate any american carriers if possible. PM me as I have access to the photos (which I love).

Thanks.

Kozak[/QUOTE]This will take you nonstop from wherever in Canada to Bangkok in a few minutes. But please note this is also your only option flying nonstop from Canada (as for today that is).

[url]http://www.virgingalactic.com/launcherone[/url]

You are welcome

[QUOTE=Kozak; 1384504]I have been starting to research my next mongering trip (done CR, DR mostly) and wanted to try out Bangkok seeing as I have the time (was outsourced LOL). Ideally I want to do it on the cheap and that includes the flight, hotel I

Have plenty of links too. What I wanted to know was what airlines travel from Toronto (YYZ) and go to Bangkok. I would also appreciate any american carriers if possible. PM me as I have access to the photos (which I love).[/QUOTE]Sounds like you need a travel agent mate.

SunLover

[QUOTE=Kozak; 1384504]I have been starting to research my next mongering trip (done CR, DR mostly) and wanted to try out Bangkok seeing as I have the time (was outsourced LOL). Ideally I want to do it on the cheap and that includes the flight, hotel I

Have plenty of links too. What I wanted to know was what airlines travel from Toronto (YYZ) and go to Bangkok. I would also appreciate any american carriers if possible. PM me as I have access to the photos (which I love).

Thanks.

Kozak[/QUOTE]Why in the name of the sweet Buddha would you want american or north american carriers?

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1384518]But here is one for you for just over $4 a night on Booking. Com. It is close to the subway.

[url]http://www.hostelbookers.com/hostels/thailand/bangkok/85324/[/url][/QUOTE]And look at the description: "8 Bed Dorm. Mixed (Shared bathroom)"

No need to go out to find pussy! And bring a waterproof camera to the showers. WOW! ;)

Eva Air based in Taiwan. They fly YYZ? BKK. Use it all the time from LAX or SFO. Arrival times are great. I would not even touch a USA carrier. Reward miles or not.

[QUOTE=Kozak; 1384504]I have been starting to research my next mongering trip (done CR, DR mostly) and wanted to try out Bangkok seeing as I have the time (was outsourced LOL). Ideally I want to do it on the cheap and that includes the flight, hotel I

Have plenty of links too. What I wanted to know was what airlines travel from Toronto (YYZ) and go to Bangkok. I would also appreciate any american carriers if possible. PM me as I have access to the photos (which I love).

Thanks.

Kozak[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1384644]And look at the description: "8 Bed Dorm. Mixed (Shared bathroom)"

No need to go out to find pussy! And bring a waterproof camera to the showers. WOW! .[/QUOTE]Hey, he wanted "cheap". Probably still better than the Nana Hotel.

[QUOTE=Jgm005;1384715]Eva Air based in Taiwan. They fly YYZ? BKK. Use it all the time from LAX or SFO. Arrival times are great. I would not even touch a USA carrier. Reward miles or not.[/QUOTE]Flown EVA countless times for years. Not Cathay Pacific or Singapore but a great airlines.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1384644]And look at the description: "8 Bed Dorm. Mixed (Shared bathroom)"

No need to go out to find pussy! And bring a waterproof camera to the showers. WOW! .[/QUOTE]Doesn't sound too bad except for the review saying mosquitoes are everywhere.

On a separate location referred to, I see NEW ROAD listed at 34 cents per night, and it also includes the following:

• Crisp insider's information on Bangkok and beyond from our expert staff

• Info package for new travelers incl. Maps.

• Lonely planet travel library.

• Safety box.

• Free dvd at our dvd room.

• Luggage storage (up to 3 months)

• Shower and towel after check-out.

• Tea & coffee 24 hours.

• Private cabinet with locker for dorms.

• Hugs from the service guides.

[QUOTE=Western787; 1384876]Doesn't sound too bad except for the review saying mosquitoes are everywhere.

On a separate location referred to, I see NEW ROAD listed at 34 cents per night, and it also includes the following:

• Crisp insider's information on Bangkok and beyond from our expert staff

• Info package for new travelers incl. Maps.

• Lonely planet travel library.

• Safety box.

• Free dvd at our dvd room.

• Luggage storage (up to 3 months)

• Shower and towel after check-out.

• Tea & coffee 24 hours.

• Private cabinet with locker for dorms.

• Hugs from the service guides.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Sounds good. It might be worth checking in just to get all the coffee you can drink, for 34 cents.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1384384]The best time to get deals on miles is within a week of departure.

Good to hear Rainbow 4 is still going strong, its the only thing going now!

A wide hipped girl. Do you mean fat? LOL.[/QUOTE]To be honest I was very impressed with the choice on offer in R4. Not only do they have what I would not hesitate to class as stunners there seems to be ladies of many shapes and sizes which cater for a wide range of tastes and desires. IMO this is one of their recipes for success. I disagree with your point of "it's the only thing going now", Harold you need to cast your net a bit wider mate.

The same night Fruitninja and myself went to Angelwitch and although there were fewer ladies than in R4 there were about 4-5 girls I would say were stunners as well.

Regards,

BJ

Guys,

Planning to come down for the first time to BKK. Would be nice if anyone could give his two cents as to which one is better. Nuru or soapy. I am anyways going to go for the FS option. Possibly with two at one go. Which are the better places for both? I am anyways going thru the tons of material posted on the forum

[QUOTE=Archetype; 1385168]Guys,

Planning to come down for the first time to BKK. Would be nice if anyone could give his two cents as to which one is better. Nuru or soapy. I am anyways going to go for the FS option. Possibly with two at one go. Which are the better places for both? I am anyways going thru the tons of material posted on the forum[/QUOTE]One is gel, the other is soapy water. Up to you really. They both slip and slide naked on you.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1385310]One is gel, the other is soapy water. Up to you really. They both slip and slide naked on you.[/QUOTE]Having tried both (many times) for comparison on my last trip I tried Dr BJ's Nuru and Annies Soapy MP. Given the choice (and I forget the price differential) I preferred Annies. It

Just have that lovely air of decadence which the sterile Dr BJ's rooms lack feel.

Go for both and tell us what you think.

[QUOTE=Archetype; 1385168]Guys,

Planning to come down for the first time to BKK. Would be nice if anyone could give his two cents as to which one is better. Nuru or soapy. I am anyways going to go for the FS option. Possibly with two at one go. Which are the better places for both? I am anyways going thru the tons of material posted on the forum[/QUOTE]There is much general information about Bangkok massage parlors on the internet. Here's an example of one such site.

[url]http://www.seemorebangkok.com/massage-parlors.html[/url]

I recommend doing Google searches on Bangkok oily massages, soapy massages and nuru massages. I think a more important issue is where you're going to go to find a massage. Are you going to go to Ratchadaphisek (Ratchada to locals) or around Sukhumvit? In a nut shell, the venues on Ratchada are bigger and fancier and cater to Asians. The ones on Sukhumvit are smaller and grungier and cater to farang mongers. Most guys think the sex is better at the shops on Sukhumvit. My advice. Stick to Sukhumvit if it's your first time, unless you have enough time to go to both areas. Off of Sukhumvit you can go to Annie's for a soapy. There is an entire thread devoted to Annie's on this fine forum. Read the posts over the past few months. Strictly speaking, there is a difference between a nuru and a regular oil massage. I think the biggest difference is you get charged more for a nuru. Again do a Google search on nuru massage. Here's a link at which you can watch Asa Akira demonstrate a nuru massage (scroll down the page to find the video in which Ms' Akira shows you how it's done.)

[url]http://www.nurumassage.com/en[/url]

The thread on this forum titled Massage Parlors Except Tulip and Annie's will give you tips and leads on good oily massage parlors and the lovely heifers who ply their trade within these establishments.

Hello gentlemen,

I'm trying to make up my mind of whether to go to BKK or Philipines (or both?). I've tasted BKK a while ago. While it was generally a nice experience, I found most of the girls very plain looking. Sadly, I'm attracted solely to model types: very slim, young (18-23) , fresh gorgeous face a must, playful attitude, some English (as my Thai is non-existent). I read once on this forum that a this exists, but would appreciate the wisdom of the experts.

Many thanks in advance!

Aibolit

One more thing. I wonder if one can find a guide who would be a pretty college girl that wouldn't mind to show me around, while also not being averse to some play in bed. Is this possible and, if so, how would one go about arranging that? Perhaps, Dating In Asia website? (never tried).

Speading of websites. I haven't discovered too many stories about freebies. Is this close-to-impossible with Thai ladies?

All the best,

A

That would be my dream in Bangkok. For my holiday coming in April 04th.

[QUOTE=Aibolit; 1385372]One more thing. I wonder if one can find a guide who would be a pretty college girl that wouldn't mind to show me around, while also not being averse to some play in bed. Is this possible and, if so, how would one go about arranging that? Perhaps, Dating In Asia website? (never tried).

Speading of websites. I haven't discovered too many stories about freebies. Is this close-to-impossible with Thai ladies?

All the best,

A[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Aibolit; 1385372]One more thing. I wonder if one can find a guide who would be a pretty college girl that wouldn't mind to show me around, while also not being averse to some play in bed. Is this possible and, if so, how would one go about arranging that? Perhaps, Dating In Asia website? (never tried).

Speading of websites. I haven't discovered too many stories about freebies. Is this close-to-impossible with Thai ladies?

All the best,

A[/QUOTE]I would guess a attack on dia is well worth the effort. You could state in your headline "travelguide needed" or sth. If success don't expect your travelguide to be very professional as many girls in dia and in general in BKK comes from the ricebelt (northeast of los) and hardly know more of BKK than anyoneelse new to the city.

But in the pussydepartment you could be more lucky as she might be professional regarding handing out her pussy for small compensation.

Freebies can be had but then normal mechanisms have to surface as in boy meet girl, boy like girl and opposite. If you hang out in areas where local BKK people hang out (rca area) you can get lucky. Your disadvantage would be your non existing thai skills but ofcoursebthe young crowd of BKK speaks more and more english (atleast my impression).

Model girls can be had. I have a few in my fleet of regular ladies (non p4p and met through normal mechanisms). Hi so escort agencies and g clubs could also be a tip to find some model girls. If you can get stunners in the rest of the world you can also get them in Bangkok. Same same just different country and city. But you have to be attractive, young and fairly handsome to get them for free I guess.

[QUOTE=Aibolit; 1385372]One more thing. I wonder if one can find a guide who would be a pretty college girl that wouldn't mind to show me around, while also not being averse to some play in bed. Is this possible and, if so, how would one go about arranging that? Perhaps, Dating In Asia website? (never tried).

Lem.

Speading of websites. I haven't discovered too many stories about freebies. Is this close-to-impossible with Thai ladies?

All the best,

A[/QUOTE]Even though you don't speak Thai, you should be able to get a young model who will show you around a fuck you for a few days for free. No problem for you. Please make a report of how it goes. Looking forward to it.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1385385]Even though you don't speak Thai, you should be able to get a young model who will show you around a fuck you for a few days for free. No problem for you. Please make a report of how it goes. Looking forward to it.[/QUOTE]Speaking of speaking Thai. Does anyone have a recommendation for a couple days of language lessons? I'm not looking to be fluent, just enough to travel around LOS for a couple months and be able to find my way to the bathroom and stuff like that. Just very basic conversations. I'm coming in about 2 weeks and staying through Songkran. My current abilities are about four words and I think a bit more would be handy.

Thanks, gents!

Pogo

Try Thaipod101

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1385391]Yes virtually impossible. Unless you are willing to lie thru your teeth to get it.

Again what does a goodie girl get by servicing a sex tourist for free? Thai girls aint stupit![/QUOTE]I sort of disagree. I mean it is easy to make friends with a girl on TLL who is both openminded and willing to show you around. Some of the girls with real jobs who also freelance have cars as well. Takes some work but is possible.

So I've been on TLL for nearly 4 years. Not just looking for pickup but for an actual gf if that happens to happen. Two years ago I chatted with this girl who was tall and thin. I'd asked her what she does for work and she said freelance but quickly backtracked and had some other story. Eventually we met up and she was cute. We went with some friends to a riverside restaurant and she was far too touchy for a proper Thai girl. The friends also picked up on her use of language and she seemed to know far to much about lower Sukhumvit. Anyway, that night, though she said it wouldn't happen, we had amazing sex. We saw each other one more time, good sex, then I kicked her out as I was meeting a friend for lunch. When I went out with my friend she was still in the lobby and I pretended that I didn't see her. The friend had his bargirl friend meet us for lunch and I felt bad that I hadn't suggested that she join us. I think and then she went off on me for not inviting her on MSN chat one day and that was the end of chatting. Bumped into her again a few months later in Bangkok Beat and that was that.

I've been in BKK for CNY and a few days ago got a message on TLL asking how I've been. How are you is one thing, but how I've been implies that she knows how I was previously. Looked at the pics and didn't quite know who this was. Nothing seemed familiar. She gave me her phone number and I gave her mine. She called me and the conversation sounded like she knew me already. She was upcountry and coming to BKK the next day. I asked what her full name is and when she told me it all made sense.

Anyway, she called me and asked if I wanted to hang out. Of course all I wanted to do was screw her brains out. She asked where we'd go and I suggested a few plances but she also mentioned she didn't have nice clothes, just a skirt and t-shirt. I was a bit unprepared for just how casual she would look, but never mind. Couldn't take her where I wanted and she said she liked the music in the lobby. So though I never sit in the lobby with a girl as I'm too well-known in the hotel, I did so. She mentioned that she came to BKK to look for some new product for her shop upcountry. I suggested that I could invest a bit in her new product. While drinking she mentioned that she'd like to stay with me but that it would drive me crazy. Might not be able to sleep. And she's having her period, so can't have sex. I told her that I'm certain that she could find another way to take care of things.

Up in the room, no period, just full on PSE. BBBJCIM multiple rounds. Again in the morning. As we are chatting in the morning she mentioned that she had to go buy something for her teeth and it costs 4000 baht. I told her not to worry I could help, but not pay for the full thing. So after she showered and we sat on the sofa, me in my robe, I gave her 2500 and she was grateful. We said our goodbyes and then she parted the robe to say goodbye to the little guy. That was a nice 20 min goodbye she and he had.

[QUOTE=Pogostick; 1385402]Speaking of speaking Thai. Does anyone have a recommendation for a couple days of language lessons? I'm not looking to be fluent, just enough to travel around LOS for a couple months and be able to find my way to the bathroom and stuff like that. Just very basic conversations. I'm coming in about 2 weeks and staying through Songkran. My current abilities are about four words and I think a bit more would be handy.

Thanks, gents!

Pogo[/QUOTE]Here's the first in a series of lessons on Youtube.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJNrs4z_Pn0[/url]

Here's the company's website.

[url]http://learn-thai-podcast.com/[/url]

Last fall they had a number of free pod casts that covered the basics, including useful monger phrases like:

Khun naa-rak maak khun yaak duem a-rai mai.

Which translate as,"Your cute, do you want a drink."

Here's a company that many people think has the best Thai language books and DVDs.

[url]http://www.paiboonpublishing.com/[/url]

Good luck

[QUOTE=Aibolit; 1385372]One more thing. I wonder if one can find a guide who would be a pretty college girl that wouldn't mind to show me around, while also not being averse to some play in bed. Is this possible and, if so, how would one go about arranging that? Perhaps, Dating In Asia website? (never tried).

Speading of websites. I haven't discovered too many stories about freebies. Is this close-to-impossible with Thai ladies?

All the best,

A[/QUOTE]If you can swing this, by all means, write a book on how you did it and you'd be a millionaire. Haha

For one thing, young pretty college girls tend to have a fairly decent and respectable social circle and her time is usually limited to studying, possibly a job, and playing with her friends and family. You would have to make a damned compelling case to free her of her valuable time. You can try the online dating sites, but in my experience, I've been able to gather initial interest fast and exchange numbers and Line I'd handles (with hot 20 somethings) , but after that, the trail goes cold faster than a sunny day in the Arctic.

Put it this way, would you expect a random foreigner to waltz right in USC's campus and expect a hot coed on her free time take him to Disneyland, Universal studios, Knottsberry Farm and then have hot steamy sex because he's such a nice guy? LOL.

But not all is lost, there are plenty of these types of girls who would be more than happy to escort you around town:

[QUOTE=Aibolit; 1385370]Hello gentlemen,

I'm trying to make up my mind of whether to go to BKK or Philipines (or both?). I've tasted BKK a while ago. While it was generally a nice experience, I found most of the girls very plain looking. Sadly, I'm attracted solely to model types: very slim, young (18-23) , fresh gorgeous face a must, playful attitude, some English (as my Thai is non-existent). I read once on this forum that a this exists, but would appreciate the wisdom of the experts.

Many thanks in advance!

Aibolit[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Luvpuss;1385385]Even though you don't speak Thai, you should be able to get a young model who will show you around a fuck you for a few days for free. No problem for you. Please make a report of how it goes. Looking forward to it.[/QUOTE]Why not give it to him straight. You can use DIA and TLL to find FL girls posing as real girls who will be "tour guides." Independent escorts advertise on their sites that they will show you the websites in between a BBBJ and FS; but, you're not going to find a proper young lady who is willing to do this. As for models, you can find them. I think Bangkok Gold Escorts are pretty close to that good looking and speak decent English; but you will pay for their rare combination of attributes. There are establishments where you can meet real Thai models (the lovely ladies whose photos you see in the magazines) , but if you're not wealthy and fluent in Thai or Brad Pitt you're wasting your time.

[QUOTE=Pita123;1385417]I sort of disagree. I mean it is easy to make friends with a girl on TLL who is both openminded and willing to show you around. Some of the girls with real jobs who also freelance have cars as well. Takes some work but is possible.[/QUOTE]However will they meet Aibolit's standards? By his own descriptions, he requires virtually world class level beauties, yet beyond being young, I'm not sure what else he brings to the table to attract such women.

He was looking for the same thing in Brazil 6 years ago when he posted this:

"1. I prefer to meet beautiful very young (preferably below 20 whyear old. I'm in my 20s myself) local women who are non-pros. Functional English is a must, since I don't speak a word of Portuguese. I like girls who have gorgeous innocent face, slim legs, and who are passionate. Model-type, in other words. Any advice regarding how I can increase my chances of achieving the above-described goal? Is this goal completely unrealistic?

2. If you consider that my goal in #1 has only 1% probability of being materialized. I can try and settle for the pros or semi-pros. Assuming that the girl description above is not negotiable. Where can I find what I like? Is new sagitarius the only place?"

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1385460]But not all is lost, there are plenty of these types of girls who would be more than happy to escort you around town:[/QUOTE]Fat, huge nose, ugly and tatooed! The perfect Girlfriend for H444

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1384384]The best time to get deals on miles is within a week of departure.

Good to hear Rainbow 4 is still going strong, its the only thing going now!

A wide hipped girl. Do you mean fat? LOL.[/QUOTE]She was very hippy, unusual for a Thai girl. Thought she might have had kids but no evidence of it back at the room.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1385385]Even though you don't speak Thai, you should be able to get a young model who will show you around a fuck you for a few days for free. No problem for you. Please make a report of how it goes. Looking forward to it.[/QUOTE]You might get a threesome with the chaperone a good girl always brings along on a first date.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1383511]I got the feeling mr fruit don't even know if he is posting about Pattaya bacc. Or soi cowboy bacca. LOL. I'm confused, I thought he writing about soi cow. But he also posted in Pappaya section.

In soi cowboy bacc they have the bell by the stairs to the stage-whats it for?

And yes I got rt for 50, 000 miles. Not all of us live on the east coast of USA.[/QUOTE]Glad you finally realized it. First step towards recovery.

I went to Chequers bar in soi 4 last Sunday for lunch and left very satisfied. It is a smallish bar about 2-3 minutes walk past Nana Plaza on the same side of the Soi. They do a very nice roast which includes half a chicken, peas, carrots, mashed potato, roast potato, broccoli, and cauliflower all for 245 baht. It is actually available Saturday and Sunday and IMO a very good deal so anyone who enjoys a decent meal at a reasonable price should give it a try. They also do draught Guinness and good quality coffee, enjoy. Incidentally my positive patronage of this bar is no indication that the owner is a business partner of mine!

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Pogostick; 1385402]Speaking of speaking Thai. Does anyone have a recommendation for a couple days of language lessons? I'm not looking to be fluent, just enough to travel around LOS for a couple months and be able to find my way to the bathroom and stuff like that. Just very basic conversations. I'm coming in about 2 weeks and staying through Songkran. My current abilities are about four words and I think a bit more would be handy.

Thanks, gents!

Pogo[/QUOTE]Pogo,

Two days of Thai lessons is not really going to cut it. Thai is very difficult to speak well early on due to pronunciation problems. There are many things (sounds and tones) that do not exist in English. Really early learners pick up some vocab but need 3 months of practice to start to get the pronunciation going okay.

So after two days of lessons, don't expect to be understood, purely due to crap pronunciation. I started learning Thai 6 hours per week for several months before my 1st trip to Thailand, not to mention the daily practice. Then learnt a lot by being with Thai girls who could not speak English. You can start studying online (like via Skype) with a Thai teacher (in Bangkok) but from whatever country you live in at reasonable prices.

[QUOTE=Western787; 1385541]He was looking for the same thing in Brazil 6 years ago when he posted this:

"1. I prefer to meet beautiful very young (preferably below 20 whyear old. I'm in my 20s myself) local women who are non-pros. Functional English is a must, since I don't speak a word of Portuguese. I like girls who have gorgeous innocent face, slim legs, and who are passionate. Model-type, in other words. Any advice regarding how I can increase my chances of achieving the above-described goal? Is this goal completely unrealistic?

2. If you consider that my goal in #1 has only 1% probability of being materialized. I can try and settle for the pros or semi-pros. Assuming that the girl description above is not negotiable. Where can I find what I like? Is new sagitarius the only place?"[/QUOTE]Ha-ha-ha! Nice investigative work. I'm impressed. Yes, my tastes haven't changed much, sadly. I will check DIA and TLL (although I don't know what TLL stands for). I will also check the high-end agency that someone recommended. Are these all the ideas at hand though? Sadly, I don't have more than a week to spend in BKK.

Best, A

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1385641]I went to Chequers bar in soi 4 last Sunday for lunch and left very satisfied. It is a smallish bar about 2-3 minutes walk past Nana Plaza on the same side of the Soi. They do a very nice roast which includes half a chicken, peas, carrots, mashed potato, roast potato, broccoli, and cauliflower all for 245 baht. It is actually available Saturday and Sunday and IMO a very good deal so anyone who enjoys a decent meal at a reasonable price should give it a try. They also do draught Guinness and good quality coffee, enjoy. Incidentally my positive patronage of this bar is no indication that the owner is a business partner of mine!

Regards,

BJ[/QUOTE]I will remember it next time in town.

My favorite chicken is The German place on Soi 11. They cook them on a spit out front. 199 B. Man, it is good.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1385684]Pogo,

Two days of Thai lessons is not really going to cut it. Thai is very difficult to speak well early on due to pronunciation problems. There are many things (sounds and tones) that do not exist in English. Really early learners pick up some vocab but need 3 months of practice to start to get the pronunciation going okay.

So after two days of lessons, don't expect to be understood, purely due to crap pronunciation. I started learning Thai 6 hours per week for several months before my 1st trip to Thailand, not to mention the daily practice. Then learnt a lot by being with Thai girls who could not speak English. You can start studying online (like via Skype) with a Thai teacher (in Bangkok) but from whatever country you live in at reasonable prices.[/QUOTE]You are correct; however, two days is enough time to learn some basic phrases and a list of practical words and phrases: "stop here" "where is bathroom?"

Pogostick can also create a little cheat sheet to carry around with him.

Hi,

As someone suggested to me below, I investigated the Bangkok Gold Escorts website in search of the Model looking ladies. Well. Most of these ladies were mid-to-late 20s and far from model looking. So, this is not what I was looking for. So, the question remains. Is there a way to go beyond the plain looking ladies that populate NEP and find a trully stunning yound model types (with good attitude, however)? I am not looking for a bargain here, so as to be perfectly clear (not that I'm agains looking for one on occasion).

Thanks for all those who will provide meaningful input on this matter. Cheers! A

[QUOTE=Aibolit;1385724]So, the question remains.[/QUOTE]Indeed it does.

Stick your head into every Nana bar. No need to buy a drink. And you'll find what your lookin for. No substitute for legwork.

Oh, and be sure to post some pics this time.

[QUOTE=Aibolit; 1385724]Hi,

As someone suggested to me below, I investigated the Bangkok Gold Escorts website in search of the Model looking ladies. Well. Most of these ladies were mid-to-late 20s and far from model looking. So, this is not what I was looking for. So, the question remains. Is there a way to go beyond the plain looking ladies that populate NEP and find a trully stunning yound model types (with good attitude, however)? I am not looking for a bargain here, so as to be perfectly clear (not that I'm agains looking for one on occasion).

Thanks for all those who will provide meaningful input on this matter. Cheers! A[/QUOTE]You may try Poseidon massage parlour at Ratchadaphisek road. In the third floor ("model lounge") they have some real stunners. Poseidon is a little bit pricy (up to 7000 Baht) and the more expensive ladies are sometimes a bit cold. Last time I was there they had a photobook.

[QUOTE=Aibolit; 1385724]Hi,

As someone suggested to me below, I investigated the Bangkok Gold Escorts website in search of the Model looking ladies. Well. Most of these ladies were mid-to-late 20s and far from model looking. So, this is not what I was looking for. So, the question remains. Is there a way to go beyond the plain looking ladies that populate NEP and find a trully stunning yound model types (with good attitude, however)? I am not looking for a bargain here, so as to be perfectly clear (not that I'm agains looking for one on occasion).

Thanks for all those who will provide meaningful input on this matter. Cheers! A[/QUOTE]Here are 100's of possibilites. If you can't find one, stay home.

[url]http://www.punterlink.co.uk/escort/escort_directory/asia_cities/bangkok-escorts.htm[/url]

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1385684]Pogo,

Two days of Thai lessons is not really going to cut it. Thai is very difficult to speak well early on due to pronunciation problems. There are many things (sounds and tones) that do not exist in English. Really early learners pick up some vocab but need 3 months of practice to start to get the pronunciation going okay.

So after two days of lessons, don't expect to be understood, purely due to crap pronunciation. I started learning Thai 6 hours per week for several months before my 1st trip to Thailand, not to mention the daily practice. Then learnt a lot by being with Thai girls who could not speak English. You can start studying online (like via Skype) with a Thai teacher (in Bangkok) but from whatever country you live in at reasonable prices.[/QUOTE]You're probably right. Being hard of hearing makes it even more of a challenge. After 3 trips I still only know how to say hello and thank you without messing up too much. I walked around for a day trying to say Mai Ow to the touts, but sounded like a cat in pain. That got a lot of laughs. Fortunately, I have no problem making a fool of myself. All in good fun.

I'll be in LOS for 7 weeks on this trip and even a few more words or phrases would be helpful. I'm hoping to find a teacher / guide to show me around the city and coach me a bit. I'll be visiting a good farang friend and his Thai family in Chiang Rai and hopefully can pick up a phrase or two without them laughing too much. He is extremely fluent in spoken and written Thai.

When I get to the point of retiring in LOS (soon!) I will get serious with a proper full time language school. But for now, even few new words certainly won't hurt. I'll contact one of the schools with Skype lessons, but I only have 2 weeks before I'm on my way.

Being with bar girls might help a bit. At least they understand " Go to loom and boom boom now!" Even if I don't learn any Thai from them, it will still be worth the effort <G I am half-way fluent in "chica" Spanish just from visiting the brothels in the Caribbean, at least enough to direct them in what I want.

I go to trade shows where dozens of languages are spoken and learned that for business transactions I can still use the universal translator (calculator) I find that where ever I go in the world, even if a local doesn't understand my attempts at their language, they appreciate the effort. Or at least get a good laugh from it. Laughing and smiles are the same every where.

Pogo

[QUOTE=Aibolit; 1385724]As someone suggested to me below, I investigated the Bangkok Gold Escorts website in search of the Model looking ladies. Well. Most of these ladies were mid-to-late 20s and far from model looking. So, this is not what I was looking for. So, the question remains. Is there a way to go beyond the plain looking ladies that populate NEP and find a trully stunning yound model types (with good attitude, however)? I am not looking for a bargain here, so as to be perfectly clear (not that I'm agains looking for one on occasion).

Thanks for all those who will provide meaningful input on this matter. Cheers! A[/QUOTE]As I originally warned, your expectations for model quality 9* and above girls may be too high. I hope it does not impair the success of your hunting expeditions. I personally find it is best to set my sights on friendly 7* BKK girls and to be happily surprised when someone better occasionally comes my way. That said; if you are set on going for the top tier girls, check out La Belle soapy massage parlor and the following G-Clubs: Pegasus, Sherbet, and Maiake.

La Belle ladies are priced according to their classification. Entry level La Belle girls, of whom I have shagged my fair share are mostly 7* friendly. The type I recommend. They are grouped on stage in the front of the large lounge area. Designated 'S' and 'G' girls, prices are 2700bt and 3200bt respectively for 90 minute sessions (before the Farang tax is added). Model quality girls sit to the side by the bar. A few of these girls are 8* extraordinary IMHO, but not all. 'X' and 'L' girls are priced at 5900bt + 6900bt for 90 minutes (before the Farang tax is added). Go there around 8pm. If you can't find a girl you fancy, then something may be wrong with you.

The Gentlemen clubs are the next level up. You will have to read up on the G-Club protocols, but basically figure an evening will run 10, 000bt to 12, 000bt with drinks, tips, sitting fees, and entertainment. I believe Pegasus is the only G-Club that offers take-out service. I know this service is not available at Maiake. So what does this large outlay of cash buy you? Well aside from the club's entertainment and the company of a 'model' quality girl, you have the opportunity, if you and the girl click, to arrange a rendezvous later.

I like the G-Clubs. It is not an every night thing like Baccara or Rainbow 4, but once in a while I have the urge to go Uni Hi-So. Over the course of my many visits to BKK, I have hooked up with a couple of G-Club girls so it was worth it in the long run. Based on your posts, I think the G-Club's may be the venue where you will find what you are looking for. Maybe not. I remember the first time I visited AC. I flew in from Macau where I had received the full sauna high end treatment with model quality Chinese girls for a week. I spent $300 and more every night. So I flew into AC and I started looking for only hot, hot, top quality girls. Guess what? I crashed and burned that first night. I couldn't find the right girl. At 2am I threw in the towel and I walked the 'WALK OF SHAME' through the ABC lobby without a girl on my arm. The next night I recalibrated my sights and looked for friendly 'girl next door gone bad types' and I had a blast. This is just a little warning. There are plenty of really sexy, attractive, BKK girls available who will want to show you a great time. The quality is higher than in AC or Pattaya. But don't set your sights too high or you too may walk that solo walk of shame back to your hotel room.

I look forward to your trip report. It should be very interesting.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1385740]Here are 100's of possibilites. If you can't find one, stay home.

[url]http://www.punterlink.co.uk/escort/escort_directory/asia_cities/bangkok-escorts.htm[/url][/QUOTE]FFS, why pay twice the price for the unknown.

Seems to me picking a WG from ad ad, is about the best way to waste money. I find FLs operating in bars the best route. Get a chance to chat, size them up and strike a deal.

When lady drinks are bar prices. Next best either MPs with a good papadam / mamasan or BGs (bear inmind the cost of lady drinks. And way, way down the list punter link ads,

Where the WG bears no relation to the picture and charges yo 5000 baht for a couple of hours.

I never go with escort sites. But there is not one girl on Bangkok Gold that is not model quality? BS.

Also, they show many reviews from dudes that shoot cum in these girls mouths and fuck them in the ass.

That alone brings them up a notch or two.

Many GFE reviews.

I think you may eventually be dissapointed with the 18 yr. Old you find who is constantly on her phone, has attitude and could not fuck her way out of a paper bag.

Yes please, Let us know how it works out.

Just curious if someone else has noticed the lady who always sits outside the restaurant Subway on soi 7/1? Blonde at the moment, smoker, in her early 30's I'd guess. What's her deal, is she any good? . I've had this rule that I'd never pick up SW's but the intoxicating smiles she keeps giving me makes my little friend below want to rebel against any previous rules or regulations.

So any wisdom to share about this gorgeus lady? And yes, I'm into MILF's.

[QUOTE=Aibolit; 1385724]Hi,

As someone suggested to me below, I investigated the Bangkok Gold Escorts website in search of the Model looking ladies. Well. Most of these ladies were mid-to-late 20s and far from model looking. So, this is not what I was looking for. So, the question remains. Is there a way to go beyond the plain looking ladies that populate NEP and find a trully stunning yound model types (with good attitude, however)? I am not looking for a bargain here, so as to be perfectly clear (not that I'm agains looking for one on occasion).

Thanks for all those who will provide meaningful input on this matter. Cheers! A[/QUOTE]I suggested Bangkok Gold. I am puzzled how you could determine their appearance from the altered thumbnails on the website, but whatever. True, the ladies I have seen from this agency have been mid-to-late-twenties.

If you're looking for a 20 year old Thai lady who has a successful modeling career, or is attractive enough to have prospects for one, become fluent in Thai and find about US$100 million, otherwise forget it. Seriously Bangkok has private gentlemen's clubs catering to very wealthy Thai men where you can find these types of ladies. If you are doing business with wealthy Thai businessmen or have close dealings with prominent Thai politicians they could bring you to one of these clubs as a guest and make introductions. Do you know anyone in the Yoovidhya family?

You may be able to buy a membership and be admitted. I have know idea how much the membership will cost. One hundred thousand bahts? A million bahts? Does anyone know? However, unless you are fluent in Thai and conspicuously wealthy, I doubt if one of these ladies will give you the time of day. Does anyone know the names and locations of a couple of these places? I've never bother to track them down as I clearly don't belong in one.

There are G-clubs that are imitations of these places. And farangs do go to them. Pegasus Grand is one. It's on Sukhumvit soi 23. I think a membership there is around THB25, 000, maybe a little more. You don't BF and negotiate ST or LT, you either wait until the establishment closes and entice the lady to leave with you or get her number and make arrangements to see her outside the club. No idea how much she will expect. High-end models in the soapies on Ratchada get about THB20, 000 for 90 minutes. Here's a link to a site that lists a number of G-Clubs.

[url]http://www.sukhumvit-psycho.com/other-places/g-clubs/[/url]

I've never been to one of these. I have no knowledge to make an evaluation.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1385748]That said; if you are set on going for the top tier girls, check out La Belle soapy massage parlor and the following G-Clubs: Pegasus, Sherbet, and Maiake.

I look forward to your trip report. It should be very interesting.[/QUOTE]Thank you very much for your informative response to my post. I truly appreciate it and will endeavor to follow your valuable advise!

A

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1385689]I will remember it next time in town.

My favorite chicken is The German place on Soi 11. They cook them on a spit out front. 199 B. Man, it is good.[/QUOTE]My little two nighter ordered enogh food to feed a family at hat place. Everything was top notch.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1385748]La Belle ladies are priced according to their classification. Entry level La Belle girls, of whom I have shagged my fair share are mostly 7* friendly. The type I recommend. They are grouped on stage in the front of the large lounge area. Designated 'S' and 'G' girls, prices are 2700bt and 3200bt respectively for 90 minute sessions (before the Farang tax is added). Model quality girls sit to the side by the bar. A few of these girls are 8* extraordinary IMHO, but not all. 'X' and 'L' girls are priced at 5900bt + 6900bt for 90 minutes (before the Farang tax is added). Go there around 8pm. If you can't find a girl you fancy, then something may be wrong with you.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Aibolit; 1385826]Thank you very much for your informative response to my post. I truly appreciate it and will endeavor to follow your valuable advise!

A[/QUOTE]How many forum members think the service from the girls at the Ratchada MPs and similar places is particularly good? Isn't it true that the sideliners and model quality girls at these places are not particularly enthusiastic about going with a farang? Aren't these model quality girls often starfishl? Aren't they selected by the MPs because they look young and tend to be taller and have lighter complexion, consistent with the tastes of Asian men, but in the eyes of a farang are not that much more attractive than the better girls in the fishbowl?

Aibolit, I recommend you do your research carefully about these places before you get your hopes up. Just Google search Bangkok soapy massage parlor reviews. Notice that there is little about these places on this forum. What does that tell you? If you could routinely walk into one of these places and hook up with a 20 year old Patcharapa Chaichuea, every guy on the forum would be writing about their experiences.

Never been to a G-Club, though that was my suggestion in an earlier post. This is only hearsay, but I've been told the ladies are attractive, but they're seldom 18-21 years old and more likely mid to late 20's. And they often speak little if any English. In fact, I've been told they are comparable to the Bangkok Gold girls, who in my experience look better than the photos posted on the website, but they definitely are not 20 year old models.

Another option might be to go to Koi, a Japanese restaurant that started in LA. I think its somewhere around soi 20. Their policy used to be that professional models could drink and eat free. Resulting in a lot of very pretty women hanging out there. Maybe you'll get lucky.

There are many beautiful 20 year old women in Thailand. But they general do not aspire to careers in the P4P industry servicing farangs. The MPs and gogos do not attract Thailand's most beautiful women. If you are serious about finding a beautiful 20 year old Thai model, maybe you should contact a model agency. I'm serious. Worst thing that can happen is they'll politely tell you to fuck off. So what. Models are open to opportunities to hookup with wealthy, important, famous men. The problem is, it's more difficult if your not wealthy, important and famous. And it is especially difficult in Thailand if you don't speak Thai. I'm not trying to rain on the parade. Just sharing my honest opinions.

[QUOTE=Pogostick;1385402]Speaking of speaking Thai. Does anyone have a recommendation for a couple days of language lessons? I'm not looking to be fluent, just enough to travel around LOS for a couple months and be able to find my way to the bathroom and stuff like that. Just very basic conversations. I'm coming in about 2 weeks and staying through Songkran. My current abilities are about four words and I think a bit more would be handy.[/QUOTE]Go to ebay and search for Pimsleur Digital Thai. For $30 you get 30. 40min lessons that you can put on your ipod / iphone or other smart device. After paying you immediately download it and transfer it to where ever you want.

I have been using it and think it is pretty good. Ofcourse, you have to dedicate and disapline yourself into learning it else don't even try.

Learn at your own pace and schedule.

[QUOTE=Ehunter; 1385868]Go to ebay and search for Pimsleur Digital Thai. For $30 you get 30. 40min lessons that you can put on your ipod / iphone or other smart device. After paying you immediately download it and transfer it to where ever you want.

I have been using it and think it is pretty good. Ofcourse, you have to dedicate and disapline yourself into learning it else don't even try.

Learn at your own pace and schedule.[/QUOTE]You also have to follow the schedule to maximize retention. It is based on a precise time-cycle.

Hi All,

Here after a long hiatus. Feels good to be back!

Before you flame me for this post, just to remind you that I do know that LOS is a land of infinite buffet to be eaten at will. Please do not remind me.

I only have a circumstance, hence asking for useful contacts here.

I have a layover in BKK for 12+ hours starting early morning, hence cannot hunt at Baccarra like I usually love to do! But I love the quality of gals there. Hence asking senior mongers if they have any contacts of Baccarra-Certified-Lady (BCL) [I am making that up but you know what it means]. Can you please forward it to me? I wish the flight timings were more conducive to making my own trip there but unfortunately not this time. I'd love to host the BCL in my hotel room and hence asking for contacts.

If you read my old posts you would see some of my good and unpleasant experiences as well in BKK. So please do not ask me to show what I have contributed.

Looking forward to some useful PMs like I was supported by this community last time over PMs after having real bad experience in BKK. Love you folks.

There are enough hookers on tll, dia, etc. You can skype with one by yourself.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1385859]How many forum members think the service from the girls at the Ratchada MPs and similar places is particularly good? Isn't it true that the sideliners and model quality girls at these places are not particularly enthusiastic about going with a farang? Aren't these model quality girls often starfishl? Aren't they selected by the MPs because they look young and tend to be taller and have lighter complexion, consistent with the tastes of Asian men, but in the eyes of a farang are not that much more attractive than the better girls in the fishbowl?[/QUOTE]Not me. I find the service hit and miss at best. The girls are IMHO far better looking than what you find in Suk or in the GoGos. I would love to find a place with Rachada looks and Tulip performance. Not likely.

A few years ago I went to leave my wife at Suvarnabhumi in the middle of the nigt. She was going back home a few days before me. On the way back to my hotel in Suk soi 11 the taxi driver asked me if I wanted company for the night and stopped by in some street with a lot of streetwalkers. From what I could see from the car they were young and goodlooking. I was only interested to go back, so I told the driver I was not interested.

Anybody have an idea were this could have been? It was a cheap ride from the airport, so I don't think the driver took any detour.

[QUOTE=Dextro Sol;1386213]Anybody have an idea were this could have been?[/QUOTE]Could have been Thanon Kamphaeng Phet 7, near Petchburi Road, but it'S rather a locals spot

OK, maybe you don't know how it works but if you post your questions openly on the board and get know response, REPEATEDLY PM'ing me the same questions gets you ignored. Get it?

[QUOTE=Deakyo; 1385767]Just curious if someone else has noticed the lady who always sits outside the restaurant Subway on soi 7/1? Blonde at the moment, smoker, in her early 30's I'd guess. What's her deal, is she any good? . I've had this rule that I'd never pick up SW's but the intoxicating smiles she keeps giving me makes my little friend below want to rebel against any previous rules or regulations.

So any wisdom to share about this gorgeus lady? And yes, I'm into MILF's.[/QUOTE]I saw her every night outside subway. I don't like her, I think she is little bit ugly but is my personal thinking.

Sorry I don't get it!

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;1386224]OK, maybe you don't know how it works but if you post your questions openly on the board and get no response, REPEATEDLY PM'ing me the same questions gets you ignored. Get it?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Csun213; 1380892]I am arriving at Bangkok international airport at around 3:30pm on Oct 21th which is a Monday.

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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1381003]You sure do plan well ahead. <cut>[/QUOTE]LOL! You missed the best part. He's talking about 2014! .

Kudos for planning ahead. Making plans for my return, after more than three years away. By far, my longest time away. Soi 33 dying, Sabai Sabai at a new location, so much catching up to do!

AT2

[QUOTE=Zauberfee;1386218]Could have been Thanon Kamphaeng Phet 7, near Petchburi Road, but it'S rather a locals spot[/QUOTE]Very possible after looking it up on google maps. It didn't seem like a tourist spot, more like more as you say, like a locals pick up place.

[QUOTE=Dextro Sol;1386278]Very possible after looking it up on google maps. It didn't seem like a tourist spot, more like more as you say, like a locals pick up place.[/QUOTE]If you're referring to the place I'm thinking of, there's a short stretch, adjacent to railroad tracks, that is a popular spot with locals. Action starts late at night; food carts set up; lot's of FL; ladies are't bad looking but don't speak English; good prices. Almost entirely locals. No problem with a farang going there. Just not common. Taxi driver's know the location.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1386240]Good job. You are my new hero! One who sees things that I see. LOL.

Most of these guys here think are are GODS gift to thai women.[/QUOTE]Nobody is god's gift to Thai women here, except for the great LuvPUSS. How he seduces hot girls willing to eat his ass is remarkable!

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1385769]<cut

There are G-clubs that are imitations of these places. And farangs do go to them. Pegasus Grand is one. It's on Sukhumvit soi 23. I think a membership there is around THB25, 000, maybe a little more. You don't BF and negotiate ST or LT, you either wait until the establishment closes and entice the lady to leave with you or get her number and make arrangements to see her outside the club. No idea how much she will expect. High-end models in the soapies on Ratchada get about THB20, 000 for 90 minutes. Here's a link to a site that lists a number of G-Clubs.

[url]http://www.sukhumvit-psycho.com/other-places/g-clubs/[/url]

I've never been to one of these. I have no knowledge to make an evaluation.

Cheers![/QUOTE]The G-Clubs are a fun place to kick back. Have a drink. Most mongers will knock them as too expensive for something that doesn't guarantee getting laid. I approach it as something different and a change of pace. Try to get a few numbers, membership is not required, nice selection of woman, some of them have good bands. The Pent had a nice selection. They had a pool room (the kind with water not green felt), a bar and stage area, and what looked like private rooms. The G-Clubs are part hostess club, part night club. A combination of the HKG, Japan, Korea, and PI clubs. I got a couple of numbers, and had a good time. St. Moritz was great, Forte was slow but I did find a hottie, Pegasus was different but did not like the vibe. I had some interest in the Bank, but it looks like they closed.

The Pent
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYGHZdZbD1o[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX2N8h5pWFE[/url]


AT2

[QUOTE=Dextro Sol;1386213]Anybody have an idea were this could have been? It was a cheap ride from the airport, so I don't think the driver took any detour.[/QUOTE]It was most likely the street behind LaBelle.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1386240]Good job. You are my new hero! One who sees things that I see. LOL.

Most of these guys here think are are GODS gift to thai women.

Especially Doc, girls usually pass out from ecstatic exhaustion having lost count of the number of times they "finished".

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1386301]Nobody is god's gift to Thai women here, except for the great LuvPUSS. How he seduces hot girls willing to eat his ass is remarkable![/QUOTE]This "seduction" sounds like too much work. For a tip model stunner 1000 Baht ST TGs will eat out your ass till it grows a crop of corn.

Veteran expats probably get it cheaper & w / o the gratuity.

I expect AC to even surpass that, & hope to explore the possibilities there later this year.

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2; 1386307]The G-Clubs are a fun place to kick back. Have a drink. Most mongers will knock them as too expensive for something that doesn't guarantee getting laid. I approach it as something different and a change of pace. Try to get a few numbers, membership is not required, nice selection of woman, some of them have good bands. The Pent had a nice selection. They had a pool room (the kind with water not green felt) , a bar and stage area, and what looked like private rooms. The G-Clubs are part hostess club, part night club. A combination of the HKG, Japan, Korea, and PI clubs. I got a couple of numbers, and had a good time. St. Moritz was great, Forte was slow but I did find a hottie, Pegasus was different but did not like the vibe. I had some interest in the Bank, but it looks like they closed.

The Pent.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYGHZdZbD1o[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX2N8h5pWFE[/url]

AT2[/QUOTE]Thanks for the post. I was interested in visiting one of these until I started to read negative reviews. My impression was that they are over priced and over rated, but your remarks cause me to rethink that attitude. Great news no membership is required. Is there a one time admittance charge? How would you rate the attractiveness of the girls? Their personalities? In general of course. Are their English skills decent? I noticed the announcer in the second video was speaking Thai. How many of the customers are farangs versus Thai versus other Asians? Any idea? Curious why you say,"No guarantee of getting laid." Wouldn't a nice looking, well dressed, likable guy who makes an "attractive offer" be almost certain of getting laid?

Sorry to bombard you with so many questions. I'm very curious.

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2; 1386307]The G-Clubs are a fun place to kick back. Have a drink. Most mongers will knock them as too expensive for something that doesn't guarantee getting laid. I approach it as something different and a change of pace. Try to get a few numbers, membership is not required, nice selection of woman, some of them have good bands. The Pent had a nice selection. They had a pool room (the kind with water not green felt) , a bar and stage area, and what looked like private rooms. The G-Clubs are part hostess club, part night club. A combination of the HKG, Japan, Korea, and PI clubs. I got a couple of numbers, and had a good time. St. Moritz was great, Forte was slow but I did find a hottie, Pegasus was different but did not like the vibe. I had some interest in the Bank, but it looks like they closed.

The Pent.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYGHZdZbD1o[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX2N8h5pWFE[/url]

AT2[/QUOTE]Found this review of The Pent.

[url]http://massageentertanmentinbangkok.********.com/2009/02/pent-bangkok.html[/url]

No idea how recent, but it gives an idea of prices when the review was written.

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2; 1386261]LOL! You missed the best part. He's talking about 2014! .

Kudos for planning ahead. Making plans for my return, after more than three years away. By far, my longest time away. Soi 33 dying, Sabai Sabai at a new location, so much catching up to do!

AT2[/QUOTE]No, coming Oct 21, 2013. I do like to plan ahead and read up on everything I can. I have been to Bangkok a couple of times but that was over 5 years ago and I know that Bangkok changes very fast. I already have booked my Hotels in both Bangkok and Pattaya. If I know my schedule, why wait until the last minute to do the home work.

[QUOTE=Franciscass; 1386425]

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1386240]Good job. You are my new hero! One who sees things that I see. LOL.

Most of these guys here think are are GODS gift to thai women.

Especially Doc, girls usually pass out from ecstatic exhaustion having lost count of the number of times they "finished".[/QUOTE]What can I say I come from Scotland! There are those who are Scottish and those who wish they were.

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1386459]Found this review of The Pent.

[url]http://massageentertanmentinbangkok.********.com/2009/02/pent-bangkok.html[/url]

No idea how recent, but it gives an idea of prices when the review was written.[/QUOTE]Pent and these other places cater to Falang. Much better girls at the places where the girls don't speak English.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1386455]No offense to anyone but what mr paul said about agogos not attracting stunners is so freaking true! Agogos are stocked with many pretty girls on down to the downright ugly. Stunners rather sit on couches waiting for their prey or are members only hookers. LOL.

In 8 years I can honestly say I've seen only one stunner and that was in patpong of all places. A stunner being one you can't take your eyes off and a great body to match the face.

My favorite rainbow 4 I can safely say there are no stunners at the moment. Maybe 1 a level down from stunner status! Baccara got nothing as far as stunners go. Rainbow 2- nada![/QUOTE]What's a stunner? The most beautiful woman in the world was Isabella Rossellini, I bet 90% of this forum would disagree. Yet she was the face of Lancome for years. For me Baccara had the best talent. Rainbow-4 a few steps down. The overall winners were the coyote girls at Tilac. I could probably nut watching one dance for 5 minutes.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1386576]What's a stunner? The most beautiful woman in the world was Isabella Rossellini, I bet 90% of this forum would disagree. Yet she was the face of Lancome for years. For me Baccara had the best talent. Rainbow-4 a few steps down. The overall winners were the coyote girls at Tilac. I could probably nut watching one dance for 5 minutes.[/QUOTE]This is a very good point that actually fascinates me.

There are certain standards of beauty, which can be measured and interestingly consist of statistically average faces. A face where every feature is average for the population of women within that culture (the nose is average size and the distance between the eyes is average and and and etc). There are cultural differences. For example, at the height of her career Audrey Hepburn was considered incredibly beautiful by the Japanese because of her very slender, linear body and unusually long and slender neck. However individual men find particular attractive women more or less attractive.

I was making a general statement. My point was that I have generally been disappointed at the Ratchada soapies and I think the sideliners and model girls are overpriced. Also because farangs are less likely to go to these establishments these women have less experience with them and many are uncomfortable with farang men. I once did two ladies at the same time at Poseidon. One was older and more experienced (I'd guess she was mid-20's). The other was petite and looked barely 20. The younger lady stared uncomfortably when she saw my erect cock (and I'm only a little larger than average.) Her performance was terrible. I think most mongers are unimpressed by the Ratchada soapies.

This discussion was prompted by a new forum member who wanted to find young model types. Le belle was recommended. I just wanted the guy to be aware of general opinions about that type of MP. I think the issue is now moot because a knowledgable member recommend G-Clubs. I poo-pooed these in an earlier post, but frankly after doing some research, I think other than the cost, they sound like an interesting option and may be perfect for our new member.

[QUOTE=Pita123;1386476]Pent and these other places cater to Falang. Much better girls at the places where the girls don't speak English.[/QUOTE]Yes, I've been told that by Thai businessmen. The best way to gain access to the best women is to learn at least a modest amount of Thai and get to know successful Thai businessmen. They'll take you to places that are off our radar and you'll meet the cream of the crop.

I found a recent post on G-Clubs that interested members may wish to read.

[url]http://www.livingthai.org/complete-guide-to-gentlemens-clubs-in-bangkok-bangkok-coyote-clubs.html[/url]

Pent isn't mentioned.

The new member who was looking for young model types may find the review very worthwhile reading.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1381003]You sure do plan well ahead. In the Pattaya thread you said you were coming with friends. If that is the case then it would definitely be smarter to take a taxi. Especially since you have never been there before. Keep in mind that you would need to get a minivan or van because the natural gas tanks are in the trunk and 3 people with luggage more than likely would not fit in one of the regular car taxis. By the time you add up the train fares you could have paid for a taxi.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Csun213;1386462]No, coming Oct 21, 2013. I do like to plan ahead and read up on everything I can. I have been to Bangkok a couple of times but that was over 5 years ago and I know that Bangkok changes very fast. I already have booked my Hotels in both Bangkok and Pattaya. If I know my schedule, why wait until the last minute to do the home work.[/QUOTE]Just a joke. Planning ahead is great. Have a blast!

AT2

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2; 1386614]Just a joke. Planning ahead is great. Have a blast!

AT2[/QUOTE]Sorry, I thought you had misunderstood my travel date. Thanks, I hope to have a good trip with all the planning and information.

PS, some of the friends that I am traveling with also thought that I am planning too early. One friend has actually traveled to Bangkok without even booking a room a couple of years ago. I don't think he will be doing that again since he was walking around nana area going from hotel to hotel to see if they had a room. Finally found a room at a price higher than he wanted to pay.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1386455]No offense to anyone but what mr paul said about agogos not attracting stunners is so freaking true! Agogos are stocked with many pretty girls on down to the downright ugly. Stunners rather sit on couches waiting for their prey or are members only hookers. LOL.

In 8 years I can honestly say I've seen only one stunner and that was in patpong of all places. A stunner being one you can't take your eyes off and a great body to match the face.

My favorite rainbow 4 I can safely say there are no stunners at the moment. Maybe 1 a level down from stunner status! Baccara got nothing as far as stunners go. Rainbow 2- nada![/QUOTE]Agree with you 100. I don't see "stunners" in gogo bars. Pretty is about tops. I see stunners walking around the better malls and on platforms at auto shows, etc, not at gogo bars.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1385874]You also have to follow the schedule to maximize retention. It is based on a precise time-cycle.[/QUOTE]Yes, and no different than any other language Learning technique. You have to revisit somewhat frequently or you don't grow into the language.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1386455]No offense to anyone but what mr paul said about agogos not attracting stunners is so freaking true! Agogos are stocked with many pretty girls on down to the downright ugly. Stunners rather sit on couches waiting for their prey or are members only hookers. LOL.

In 8 years I can honestly say I've seen only one stunner and that was in patpong of all places. A stunner being one you can't take your eyes off and a great body to match the face.

My favorite rainbow 4 I can safely say there are no stunners at the moment. Maybe 1 a level down from stunner status! Baccara got nothing as far as stunners go. Rainbow 2- nada![/QUOTE]Funny how peoples standards vary from person to person. Guys here have been posting all over the place about how many stunners they saw in one place and then the other. Now we have people popping up and implying it is a very rare sighting. I bet the uglier the guy is the more stunners that person tends to see.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1386240]Good job. You are my new hero! One who sees things that I see. LOL.

Most of these guys here think are are GODS gift to thai women, when truthfully most guys here go for the cheap shit. LOL.[/QUOTE]I would not say most of them but without a doubt they are here. Maybe 2 or 3 of them.

[QUOTE=Ehunter;1386627]Funny how peoples standards vary from person to person. Guys here have been posting all over the place about how many stunners they saw in one place and then the other. Now we have people popping up and implying it is a very rare sighting. I bet the uglier the guy is the more stunners that person tends to see.[/QUOTE]Another post that brings up an interesting point. I know my personal beauty scale changes with the context. I might describe a rather average looking girl as attractive if she works at an MP, costs 600 + 1500 and gave a great PSE. That same girl I would describe as awful if I paid 8, 000 for her as an escort. Similarly, if I was looking for a model to appear in an ad for a fashion or beauty product I wished to advertise, an 8, 000 baht escort that I would describe as fantastic looking and rate as a "9" would be too unattractive for use in my ad.

Many of the posts that praise a girl's appearance are about experiences with girls at Cherry, Mango, Tulip, etc. We go to these looking for a PSE. If we are lucky enough to get a skillful and very enthusiastic three-hole girl who is willing to get really nasty, and she is a little better looking than average, we might describe her as being really great looking because based on past experiences we don't expect to get that level of service from a girl who is that good looking, even though "that good looking" is really not that good looking. A mediocre loud speaker sounds better if you compare it to a poor quality speaker versus a high-end speaker. Context is critical.

I think this confuses newcomers to the forum with no previous mongering experience. They read posts that describe a particular girl as attractive. They go to the MP, see the girl in the lineup and think,"what the fuck." If they spent a year living and mongering in Bangkok, their perspective would change.

[QUOTE=Franciscass; 1386425]

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1386240]Most of these guys here think are are GODS gift to thai women.[/QUOTE]Don't really think that most here care about being "gods gift" Harold. That was the entire point of coming over here. You did not have to play the same "game" you play with women in the West. Of course that has all changed now with guys creating the same situation here they had back home.

Personally, I just want 90 min of good service. Interaction beyond that is a waste of time imho. If I wanted to "have game" and felt the need to feed my ego, I would have stayed in the states.

Wow what a start.

Met at BKK of one from my regular girl fleet as she has a car and lives close to Suvarnaphul. She picked me up, drove to Gran President got a blow job in the hotels car park. Fulfilled with popping nr 1 at room after check in. Nice giving girl.

As my arrival at 06am and BBBJ and FS made me kind of tired I slept for a few hours.

Met up at Beergarden at 3pm for daytime ST session. Met this great girl named Maria. She was caring and loving and we had great chemistry. Pre interview went great and she agreed for everything incl backdoorentry. She stayed from 4 to 6pm and she quoted 1500BHT but I gave her 2000BHT for great performance (multiple pops, BBBJ, anal, cim, cot, rimming etc). We agreed to meet later in the evening to rock BKK but later it showed she was needed 5000BHT for spending the holoe evening with me so I send her off and went out on a escursion on my own.

At 9pm I went to Soi 8 and to a bar which name is forgotten (when you enter Soi 8 from Sukhumvit you take first to the right and it is a rather shabby but cosy bar with nice attitude staff working there. Had some sort of agreement to rendeveue with an oldtimer girl who is up for some nasty sex business but she was so delayed so I could not wait anymore. As the lazy prick I have become I also send one of the staff to withdraw money for me. This girl can be trusted. Yes I know this was stupid but everything went well.

Went to the German eatiry across the street from Grand President and had some sauerkrat and sausages. Met up with a friendly German bloke. He was chatting up the waitress agreeing to meet her at Climax when her shift ended at 2am. We went to my room for some change of outfit and a quick shower (only me while the german guy sat in livingroom drinking. Not gay, hehe).

We took taxi to Climax (around 100mts). This is allways a winner as the drivers get commision of 200BHT from Climax. Good money for the driver for little effort. We ordered one btl of Absolute with extras and asked the manager to find us nice girls. My girl was a sweet 32 year old named Bia. She was a great girl, great attitude and body slim and fit. Good chemistry. I have had my amount of girls but this was one of my better experiences as she from the blue asked for also anal sex as she had this hidden fetish beeing popped hard in the barn. Back in the room I was kind enough to make her wish come through. She was maby a 7-8 in body, and a 9 for performance. She did everything my Beergarden girl did with no exceptions. Extremely happy and I woke up not many minutes ago with her smoking my bandit. The last time I checked my bandit was deep in her ass (must have tasted good). No money talk but as a hidden agreement I put 3000BHT in her purse as she showered. She smiled when she saw the notes.

Now it is off to Pattaya where I hope I will pop my Soi 6 cherry (never been there before) as I have a norwegian friend who will guide me through some nasty stuffs.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1386438]Thanks for the post. I was interested in visiting one of these until I started to read negative reviews. My impression was that they are over priced and over rated, but your remarks cause me to rethink that attitude. Great news no membership is required. Is there a one time admittance charge? How would you rate the attractiveness of the girls? Their personalities? In general of course. Are their English skills decent? I noticed the announcer in the second video was speaking Thai. How many of the customers are farangs versus Thai versus other Asians? Any idea? Curious why you say,"No guarantee of getting laid." Wouldn't a nice looking, well dressed, likable guy who makes an "attractive offer" be almost certain of getting laid?

Sorry to bombard you with so many questions. I'm very curious.[/QUOTE]Most will say they are overpriced and overrated. It's like the other posters question,"what's a stunner". Like anything else, it's in the eyes of the beholder. If your main purpose is to spend a week in BKK and get laid 8 times a day or if you are on a tight budget, then the G-Clubs are not the way to go. If you are someone who just likes different experiences and do not mind dropping 3,000 baht or more to drink and take your chances at a pickup, then you may be ok with the format. I like to get laid, get a massage, eat, drink, get laid, do a tourist thing, get laid, drink, eat, get a massage, hit a soapy, pop into a go-go, visit a G-Club. Did I say get laid? Variety is the spice of life. The G-Club is a change up for me.

Each G-Club is a little different. Pegasus had a bar-fine when I went there more than a decade ago. I think the beers were 400 baht and the girls drinks were 800 baht. The Pent, I heard has a 10 drink buyout (never bothered to confirm). You pay for the drinks, the girls drinks, and food. It's pricey, so you can go through 3,000 baht or more in a few hours time. The place has a lot of energy when it is packed, which I like a lot. You talk to the girl, try to get a number. They will meet you after hours. I did not see any leave early. English skills are very weak, not really any different than most go-go girls. I thought the Pent girls I saw, were better looking than the video I included in my last post. St. Moritz had some head turners too. They are not twice as beautiful as the go-go and soapy girls. Go-Go girls can be 1's to 7's, and the occasional 8. The G-Clubs are more like the soapies. More 7's and 8's, and the occasional 9. I read that the Pent requires that you buy a bottle (3,000 baht) , but I don't remember buying a bottle. I went a member of this board (Thai, so that helped) , but I also went back on my own too. I would say 90% or more of the people in the G-Clubs are asian.

I won't get into the odds of getting laid, because it depends on too many factors. Like how high you aim. I hit often enough to make it fun, to try again.

AT2

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1386576]What's a stunner?[/QUOTE]I did hear this one sort of bizarre definition, perhaps one of many.

STUNNER (as defined in regard to the Thailand P4P industry). A woman "-" occasionally found in Go Go bars, soapies, or escort agencies but more often in G clubs, working for a modeling agency, partying in discos, strolling through malls, pretend "studying" at the university, or hanging with German multi millionaires living in 5 star penthouse Bangkok hotel suites who take videos for kicks "-" of such amazing beauty that even a poor bloke is compelled to sponsor, such beauty then proceeding to rack up bills so high that when presented to the sponsor, such sponsor is then shocked ("stunned") into either complete unconciousness or semi conciousness when he realizes his entire net worth has been wiped out in one month.

example "The bloke sponsored this bird in Bangkok, a real stunner, and he's now doing 3 years in debtors prison"

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1386722]Wow!

Even this guy is now equivocating. What a disappointment.[/QUOTE]Is this equivocating? I'm just saying the evaluative scale is effected by the context, as are the meaning of words. If you don't understand the context, you may misinterpret the meaning.

[QUOTE=Western787; 1386773]I did hear this one sort of bizarre definition, perhaps one of many.

STUNNER (as defined in regard to the Thailand P4P industry). A woman "-" occasionally found in Go Go bars, soapies, or escort agencies but more often in G clubs, working for a modeling agency, partying in discos, strolling through malls, pretend "studying" at the university, or hanging with German multi millionaires living in 5 star penthouse Bangkok hotel suites who take videos for kicks "-" of such amazing beauty that even a poor bloke is compelled to sponsor, such beauty then proceeding to rack up bills so high that when presented to the sponsor, such sponsor is then shocked ("stunned") into either complete unconciousness or semi conciousness when he realizes his entire net worth has been wiped out in one month.

Example "The bloke sponsored this bird in Bangkok, a real stunner, and he's now doing 3 years in debtors prison"[/QUOTE]"Stunner" has many definitions according to the individual who is viewing it. With that said it is also elementary,"Stunner" is a girl that on first impression leaves you "Stunned". Some girls are just pretty, some cute but a "Stunner" makes you stop in your tracks and step back, hence the word "Stunned".

I think that my buddies and I will be able to figure out what to do at night, but a great private guide can add a lot to the day time sightseeing. I'd appreciate any and all recommendations; feel free to post here or PM me.

Thanks,

Dave

[QUOTE=Harold444;1386758]Very odd how you describe good body and good performance. LOL. You left out facial attractiveness, we want to know what kind of face you got for your money![/QUOTE]Who cares. I am sure she was not a hag.

He had good chemistry, seemed to really like her, and her performance was stellar.

[QUOTE=Dave Carrera; 1386971]I think that my buddies and I will be able to figure out what to do at night, but a great private guide can add a lot to the day time sightseeing. I'd appreciate any and all recommendations; feel free to post here or PM me.

Thanks,

Dave[/QUOTE]My suggestion is to party in soi 33 the night before and take a girl out long time. The women there have better English skills, are somewhat more service oriented and they fancy themselves as more upscale than other hookers in LOS and in fact may be in some regard (one example – one girl I had asked me to show her how to make a great Tanqueray and tonic then proceeded to proudly pour our drinks the rest of the night. Couldn't learn to roll but that's a different story).

It'll cost a little more but I'm sure the girl you choose will be more than happy to take you around during the daytime and she'll be a pleasure to be with.

In my recent experience Go-Go girls these days seem too flighty and unreliable to count on, freelancers are more of a gamble and I haven't much experience with massage girls.

[QUOTE=Dave Carrera; 1386971]I think that my buddies and I will be able to figure out what to do at night, but a great private guide can add a lot to the day time sightseeing. I'd appreciate any and all recommendations; feel free to post here or PM me.

Thanks,

Dave[/QUOTE]You can google escorts and find WGs at 12, 000 baht for a day who would be only too pleased to show you round rather have you bedding them. There are many tour operators who will equally be happy to take your money to show you the sights. And their tailor, and their 'specially cheap' jewellery shop. But finding a private guide will not be easy.

A couple of years backI picked up an FL atG one lunch time and we did a tour of parts of Bangkok by m / see, taxi and BTS with the promise of a generous tip after a ST at my hotel mid-evening.

But that sort of set up takes time to organise.

I'm glad that I've sparked a discussion about G-clubs and in general about places where a model-looking gilrs can be had. I've learned a lot from everyone's posts on this matter.

After some research, I've concluded that I would:

1. Focus on regular go-go bars at NPE for regular take-out experience.

2. Try top soapies that reportedly have truly beautiful girls (if I only had a chance to interact with them before choosing. I'd be able to know, if they will be a "starfish" or better. Alas, this I understand is not an option).

3. Try G-clubs, but ONLY if I have a wingman (anyone in BKK in April?). This is because most top G-clubs a loud and land themselves to someone who plans multiple visits (not my case). Plus, I don't speak ANY Thai. So, I need at least someone / wingman there who will understand English and will save the evening for me (and vise-versa) in case things don't go too well.

I wonder, if other people came to similar plan of action.

Best, A

[QUOTE=Harold444;1386645]He claims he never pays! Practice your lieing guys if you want FREE BKK pussy![/QUOTE]Has he figured out yet he does not need to pay airfare to Thailand to practice his ingenious plan?

How long did it take for him to figure this out anyway? Ha ha ha.

Pull that shite in the DR and the girls would have him in jailed might quick with everyone that can help him holding their hand out so it is a good thing he is in the LOS.

Karma will get him sooner or later.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot; 1386674]

[QUOTE=Franciscass; 1386425]Don't really think that most here care about being "gods gift" Harold.[/QUOTE][/quote]Yes, most don't, though without a doubt there are some here that definitely do. I can't remember his handle but the guy who posts up about his multiple girl cream-pie antics then immediately states how a good percentage of the girls he is with completely enjoyed the rouging and DATY he threw their way. Not sure he will ever get clued in. LOL

[QUOTE=Aibolit; 1387041]I'm glad that I've sparked a discussion about G-clubs and in general about places where a model-looking gilrs can be had. I've learned a lot from everyone's posts on this matter.

After some research, I've concluded that I would:

1. Focus on regular go-go bars at NPE for regular take-out experience.

2. Try top soapies that reportedly have truly beautiful girls (if I only had a chance to interact with them before choosing. I'd be able to know, if they will be a "starfish" or better. Alas, this I understand is not an option).

3. Try G-clubs, but ONLY if I have a wingman (anyone in BKK in April?). This is because most top G-clubs a loud and land themselves to someone who plans multiple visits (not my case). Plus, I don't speak ANY Thai. So, I need at least someone / wingman there who will understand English and will save the evening for me (and vise-versa) in case things don't go too well.

I wonder, if other people came to similar plan of action.

Best, A[/QUOTE]If you go to the upscale soapies on and around Ratchada you'll probably want to check out the models upstairs. They will be in a lounge like setting and you can interact to a degree.

A wingman fort he G-Clubs make sense from what I've read as you could buy a bottle together and share some of the expense.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1386758]Very odd how you describe good body and good performance. LOL. You left out facial attractiveness, we want to know what kind of face you got for your money![/QUOTE]Herold I love to hate you but to your defence I have to say you have a certain mildness in your postings these days as you earlier where way off and mostly I could not take you seriously. You were an irritating prick, hehe.

My weakness in my mongering is photos. I get to excited and horny so I mostly forget about it even if I know that could be a nice thing to do for the others mongering crowd out there.

I have spend one crazy night in Pattaya with additional pussywork. Nice spinner picked from a bar (and I don't do barfines) as I am mostly in the FL market (I guess we see some changes from now on hehe). I have no idea of the name but it was in some barcomplex just across the street from Mikes shopping mall (second Road I guess it is called).

Sat me back the ironic price of 300bht in barfine. She was not Lucy Thai lookalike but had great attitude and a ok body and face. All in all a 5-6 but performancewice she was a 8. She was new in the game (fresh from the farm) so I did some teaching in mongering and how to be customerfriendly. We were supposed to hit Insomnia but I needed a pitstop in room for a quick shower and change in outfit. It turned out this was as far as I got as me and her made out hardly in bed. Multiple possisionchanges, assfriendly and more or less a giver. She had obtained quite a Bush down in her croatch, and normaly I like it shaved, but she made me feel like this forestworker licking her and spitting hair. She tasted good and fresh. Condom was optional so I chosed to bb her as she as earlier stated was fresh from the farm.

My dick is still hanging on so maby I will cover up soon. Don't now how far I can push my luck std wice. But I check regulary myself and from the hundreds of girls I have done I realy not obtained anything serious. I did have the clap once from a norwegian girl 10 years ago or sth. Maby I am immune to std hehe. No guys I take it seriously but upon my Philly monger session, starting Sunday 17 of Feb, I don't know if that is right time to start a new and better life.

Bare in mind I speak / write with a humoristic twist ok (english not my org language). Happy mongering.

[QUOTE=Aibolit; 1387041]2. Try top soapies that reportedly have truly beautiful girls (if I only had a chance to interact with them before choosing. I'd be able to know, if they will be a "starfish" or better. Alas, this I understand is not an option).

Best, A[/QUOTE]In most upscale soapies you can request mamasan that you want to have a brief chat with the girl before you choose.

I've had great experiences and not so great experiences in upscale soapies. My first time there the girl, I think she originated from the south, just couldn't handle all my meat, and by no means will I ever be miskaten for Jonah Falcon LOL.

Another time that riled me up was when the Papasan suggested that the sideline girls were not available and the only girls available for me were the fishbowls. He seemed like a shady bastard so I left with a joker-like grin so I left. I would deduce that the sideliners were there for the regular Thai customer. I guess in a way I don't blame them, but if they were why even bother making them seemingly available.

Had a few days in BKK either side of a Phnomh Penh trip. Did this did that etcetc.

One interesting aspect of trip was that I've started using wechat, and got chatting with one cute girl. Nice wholesome pics and she sends me lots of sweet voice files etc. We never got to meet as I was regularly busy, and she seemed like a wholesome " looking for love type girl " but one of the last pics she sent me was her in very pink room. I asked her where she had taken the pic. She says " at work ".

She then reveals she's been working in Annies soapy for a year. Nice looking gal. 31.

Life has many suprises.

[QUOTE=Aibolit;1387041] I'm glad that I've sparked a discussion about G-clubs and in general about places where a model-looking girls can be had. [/QUOTE]Let me make sure I have this strait, you're "attracted solely to model types" "very slim","young (18-23)" with "fresh gorgeous face(s) a must" with a "playful attitude" "long legs" and a "passionate" nature, ideally "gorgeous teenies that are non pros", preferably free but will pay, but not too much as you're on a budget, and you also often request and usually prefer bareback FS and bareback anal?

LOL, nobody would ever accuse you of lacking Hutzpah.

[QUOTE=Western787; 1387139]Let me make sure I have this strait, you're "attracted solely to model types" "very slim","young (18-23)" with "fresh gorgeous face (s) a must" with a "playful attitude" "long legs" and a "passionate" nature, ideally "gorgeous teenies that are non pros", preferably free but will pay, but not too much as you're on a budget, and you also often request and usually prefer bareback FS and bareback anal?

LOL, nobody would ever accuse you of lacking Hutzpah.[/QUOTE]You clearly have done a serious investigative work of my output. Hence opulent quotes from my past. You certainly have more time than I do and I congratulate you for that. As for bareback. Never ever did I ask for that in a single post. Hutzpah however I have plenty, which enabled me in the past to obtain what was desired.

Have fun!

A

[QUOTE=Aibolit; 1387306]You clearly have done a serious investigative work of my output. Hence opulent quotes from my past. You certainly have more time than I do and I congratulate you for that. As for bareback. Never ever did I ask for that in a single post. Hutzpah however I have plenty, which enabled me in the past to obtain what was desired.

Have fun!

A[/QUOTE] I'm just a very fast reader, but in any case your posts are excellent and there is absolutely nothing wrong with having ultra high standards. As you know some of the posters in here have extraordinary levels of expertise, insight, and experience with 1000's of posts, and with many of them I have looked at a lot of their legacy posts, and while that can take a lot of time, since you have few posts, it didn't take very long to review.

However a plain meaning interpretation of the following paragraph by you on your 11-04-11 Sao Paulo post made me (since you use the word "compensated") believe that among your very high other requirements, you also do request bareback. At that point I had to laugh out loud, and say to myself "this guy really has chutzpah." Apparently I am mistaken, sorry about that, if that is the case.

(start quote)

On my way back, I passed Casarao. In spite of my last report, I decided to sacrifice 10R to pick inside, being encouraged by the lack of long line of low-lifes at the entrance. Insiide, the atmosphere was much better than the last time I visited, with more space to move and breath. I spotted 2 girls that fit my criteria above. Negotiated the same way 150R, plus 25R for the room. Went to the room. The girl was very hot and nice, but when the close came off, I noticed unpleasant markes of former pregnancy, with serious stretch marks on the stomack and soggy tits. While during the negotiations she announced that she won't do anal or BBJ without a condom, she compensated somewhat with friendly disposition. Given that the room was less hideous than the one I used last time, I withdraw my unconditional "no" to Casarao now. It still to uncivilized for my taste, but is a good value for a quickie, when the latter is in dire need.

(end quote)

looking at the original quote "she won't do anal or bbj without a condom"

obviously you meant she 1. won't do anal at all 2. won't do bbbj either. nor did you mention fs per se.

ok, i will drop your chutzpah level down a notch.

guys, particularly **** 40, reasonably good looking, who are extremely wealthy probably have similar standards to yours."gorgeous young model types" is often their target zone. for example the "righteous dude" global nanpa german national guy who has done a fantastic job with his videos, while he probably favors mid 20's, obviously has very high standards, and has posted many videos of model types, although personally for his own situation i think i he likes them a little shorter. some of the most beautiful women in the world actually are right in bangkok, but they understand or soon figure out their value on an international basis. maybe in true third world countries like burma there are still untapped beauties in the countryside just hitting age 18 and 19 in vast numbers who don't quite fully comphrehend yet their international value, but i believe its a very dangerous country at the moment for anyone operating in the rural areas.

[QUOTE=Aibolit; 1387041]I'm glad that I've sparked a discussion about G-clubs and in general about places where a model-looking gilrs can be had. I've learned a lot from everyone's posts on this matter.

After some research, I've concluded that I would:

1. Focus on regular go-go bars at NPE for regular take-out experience.

2. Try top soapies that reportedly have truly beautiful girls (if I only had a chance to interact with them before choosing. I'd be able to know, if they will be a "starfish" or better. Alas, this I understand is not an option).

3. Try G-clubs, but ONLY if I have a wingman (anyone in BKK in April?). This is because most top G-clubs a loud and land themselves to someone who plans multiple visits (not my case). Plus, I don't speak ANY Thai. So, I need at least someone / wingman there who will understand English and will save the evening for me (and vise-versa) in case things don't go too well.

I wonder, if other people came to similar plan of action.

Best, A[/QUOTE]While you are at the Soapies, see if you can get the girls phone number. I have gone out with a few on their "holiday". Dinner, movie, and an all nighter. No barfine. I am not sure how it works for the girls. If they have freedom to choose their days off. It was worth it to me, since a few of them turned out to be real GFE's. I am not sure if it is timing and luck, or if they can actually just call in and take the day off. Two of them had sponsors from Japan. Gave them some money on their way home, even though money was not brought up in any conversation.

AT2

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2; 1387347]While you are at the Soapies, see if you can get the girls phone number. I have gone out with a few on their "holiday". Dinner, movie, and an all nighter. No barfine. I am not sure how it works for the girls. If they have freedom to choose their days off. It was worth it to me, since a few of them turned out to be real GFE's. I am not sure if it is timing and luck, or if they can actually just call in and take the day off. Two of them had sponsors from Japan. Gave them some money on their way home, even though money was not brought up in any conversation. AT2[/QUOTE]If Go Go or Bargirls is a must I have to say you can also find additional modellookingtypeofgirls in the FL market. I use this market all the time and yes maby a few of my spinners come fresh from the Go Go, Bar or G-Club they anyway hit a nightclub after their work is done. Then you have good options negotiating without hitting this, in my opinion, stupid BF (even if I did a BF in my recently Pattaya trip, hehe). I just want to advice as maby some new readers only read last 10+ postings in a normal thread.
But I have say I have a few modellookingtypesofgirls in my regular BKK fleet. They sure know their value as they are rather picky. These girls you dont see with a 70yr old farang guy. They are choosy bcs they can be and even if some of them have normal decent highpaid work/jobs I guess a few of them earn that additional earnings from like a G Club or sth. When I arrived at BKK a few days ago I was picked up at Suvarnaphul from one of them and I mean when a young spinning girls drives her own BMW530i(i even checked the ownerspapers in the glowdepartment) then she has some money(atleast in Norway this is a highly priced car ranging from approx US200000 and up to the finest model) from both good work and maby some good extra earnings.. I have no problem treating them as non P4P girl as they never claim any money from me. For me fucking is a art and it should be like that for most people - if people want compensation I have no problem giving that to them as well:-)

But beeing cheap to girls like this as in trying to lower your spending together with them is possible not a good idea. I allways do a testrun upfront to see if we click the sexual way and if she is a giver. If she is then I wont badge on spending 10 - 20000bht on her every given day. When I say they are no P4P it is costly maintaining a regular fleet of stunners as, even if they not ask for money, they have successful lifes and expect a hi so lookalike life as in no eating in streetfoodstalls, hehe.. We are talking mostly Lebua(Scirrocco), other places in Silom area or Bakuya(Japaneese famous expensive restaurant atleast with one department in Siam Paragorn where you can buy norwegian slamon to a overcostly high price - almost like home in Norway, hehe)..

So for you guys wanting model spinners for as little as possible - good luck. They will eventually cost you some bucks but experience of having this young modeltypeofgirl beside you in bed without this additional "freshfromfarmjusthavebabystrechtmarksfrombabywhenIwas16" is worth every penny atleast to me.. But never a free ride:-)

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1387361]If Go Go or Bargirls is a must I have to say you can also find additional modellookingtypeofgirls in the FL market. I use this market all the time and yes maby a few of my spinners come fresh from the Go Go, Bar or G-Club they anyway hit a nightclub after their work is done. Then you have good options negotiating without hitting this, in my opinion, stupid BF (even if I did a BF in my recently Pattaya trip, hehe). I just want to advice as maby some new readers only read last 10+ postings in a normal thread.

But I have say I have a few modellookingtypesofgirls in my regular BKK fleet. They sure know their value as they are rather picky. These girls you don't see with a 70yr old farang guy. They are choosy bcs they can be and even if some of them have normal decent highpaid work / jobs I guess a few of them earn that additional earnings from like a G Club or sth. When I arrived at BKK a few days ago I was picked up at Suvarnaphul from one of them and I mean when a young spinning girls drives her own BMW530i (I even checked the ownerspapers in the glowdepartment) then she has some money (atleast in Norway this is a highly priced car ranging from approx US200000 and up to the finest model) from both good work and maby some good extra earnings. I have no problem treating them as non P4P girl as they never claim any money from me. For me fucking is a art and it should be like that for most people. If people want compensation I have no problem giving that to them as well.

But beeing cheap to girls like this as in trying to lower your spending together with them is possible not a good idea. I allways do a testrun upfront to see if we click the sexual way and if she is a giver. If she is then I won't badge on spending 10. 20000bht on her every given day. When I say they are no P4P it is costly maintaining a regular fleet of stunners as, even if they not ask for money, they have successful lifes and expect a hi so lookalike life as in no eating in streetfoodstalls, hehe. We are talking mostly Lebua (Scirrocco) , other places in Silom area or Bakuya (Japaneese famous expensive restaurant atleast with one department in Siam Paragorn where you can buy norwegian slamon to a overcostly high price. Almost like home in Norway, hehe).

So for you guys wanting model spinners for as little as possible. Good luck. They will eventually cost you some bucks but experience of having this young modeltypeofgirl beside you in bed without this additional "freshfromfarmjusthavebabystrechtmarksfrombabywhenIwas16" is worth every penny atleast to me. But never a free ride.[/QUOTE]Life has taught me beautiful women know their value and don't sell themselves short. I've never known a a real stunning girl who one way or the other didn't end up being expensive; and in my experience the SW are cheaper in the long run than the proper ladies. And the sex with the SW is almost always better. There are always exceptions. But I think this is a lesson in life many forum members have learned, hence our lifestyle.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1387452]Remember the girls available after hours are usually the one who didn't get a barfine at their reg. Gig. Surely unmodel types. LOL.[/QUOTE]

The car price appears to be an error, and overstated for that BMW model. As for the rest, I think he's strait shooting. Now as far as "model types" hitting late night venues, its entirely possible some are focusing only on ST gigs earlier in the evening, which seems to be the trend with the most picky girls anyways.

[QUOTE=Western787;1387520]The car price appears to be an error, and overstated for that BMW model. As for the rest, I think he's strait shooting. Now as far as "model types" hitting late night venues, its entirely possible some are focusing only on ST gigs earlier in the evening, which seems to be the trend with the most picky girls anyways.[/QUOTE]If the after hours places for picking up bar girls you're thinking of are Nana Liquid and Climax, my experience is the ladies run the gamete, but the good looking ones are the first to go, so if you started shopping late the pickings are slim.

I am not getting anywhere with google and ISG search finding a past post.

Anybody remember who made (or where is) the post about saving money on girl drinks? The post had something to do with giving the girl 2/3 of the cost of your own drink as long as she does not order any drink herself. I think the girl makes more $ that way opposed to a drink being bought for herself. The post was made either here or on the Pattaya threads.

[QUOTE=Western787;1387520]The car price appears to be an error, and overstated for that BMW model. As for the rest, I think he's strait shooting. [/QUOTE]Not necessarily. He stated the value of the car in Norway as far as he knew of. [QUOTE=Skogis;1387361](atleast in [b]Norway[/b] this is a highly priced car ranging from approx US200000 and up to the finest model) [/QUOTE]

Also here in Thailand there are extremely high taxes on many things that are imported. Last year I wanted to bring a chair from the US for my place in Thailand. The chair cost $200 at Office Depot. The box was bigger than the airline allowance so I would have had to pay $175 oversize fee, then taxes for customs on that chair would have been 87%. So my actual cost for bringing that $200 chair to Thailand would have been $549.

I'm not sure if you saw this article last year about luxury cars in Thailand:

The government has been losing out on millions of baht worth of tax revenue every year, especially since [b]luxury cars are usually taxed 187 to 328 per cent[/b], DSI chief Tarit Pengdith said.

[url]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/541134-millions-lost-in-tax-revenue-over-imported-cars-thailand/[/url]

As well, one poster stated:

"A couple years ago I went to the BMW international website and searched what a new BMW 7 series with V8 costs in different countries and converted them all into US dollar. Here are the results:
USA - $86,000
Germany/Italy - $136,000
Holland - $170,000
Thailand - $425,000 !!
I did this when the exchange rate was 35 Baht to a US dollar and it is 30 now so now the 7 series would be about $484,000 USD
I also looked at the Thailand BMW site and found the 6 cyl. 7 series was 8.5 million Baht, V8 - 14.5 million and V12 - 18.5 million. So you pay and extra 6 million Baht to get the V8 instead of the 6 cyl. That's because of the horsepower tax Thailand has in addition to import tax. "

Notice how a German car costs way more in Germany than it does in the USA. I once went to the grocery store in Paris to buy Cognac and saw that it cost way more in France than it does in the USA. Taxes are a MF!

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1387588]As well, one poster stated:

"A couple years ago I went to the BMW international website and searched what a new BMW 7 series with V8 costs in different countries and converted them all into US dollar. Here are the results:

USA. $86, 000.

Germany / Italy. $136, 000.

Holland. $170, 000.

Thailand. $425, 000!

I did this when the exchange rate was 35 Baht to a US dollar and it is 30 now so now the 7 series would be about $484, 000 USD.

I also looked at the Thailand BMW site and found the 6 cyl. 7 series was 8. 5 million Baht, V8. 14. 5 million and V12. 18. 5 million. So you pay and extra 6 million Baht to get the V8 instead of the 6 cyl. That's because of the horsepower tax Thailand has in addition to import tax."[/QUOTE]In Pattaya I asked a very pretty 20 something to go to dinner with me so "that I can just look at you for an evening" she bought the line but as any good Thai girl only if she had a chaperone. Her chaperone picked us up at Century (where my girl worked) in a Volvo so we got talking cars. They asked what I paid for my X5 in the US. Without looking I think it was something around 90K, every option except HUD, diesel. They said the same car there would be 300, 000+ USD. I guess that's one plus to living in the US, we normally pay less for most luxury items. Probably more for necessities. The 3. 0 liter 6 is a dog thats why I got the diesel but 200, 000 for an 8? WOW!

I didn't see a whole lot of luxury cars in Thailand. Interestingly enough Cambodia has a love affair with Lexus.

[QUOTE=Ehunter; 1387564]I am not getting anywhere with google and ISG search finding a past post.

Anybody remember who made (or where is) the post about saving money on girl drinks? The post had something to do with giving the girl 2/3 of the cost of your own drink as long as she does not order any drink herself. I think the girl makes more $ that way opposed to a drink being bought for herself. The post was made either here or on the Pattaya threads.[/QUOTE]If I remember well, it was paying her direct 2/3 or 1/2 of the LD price, (not the price of your own drink) because that is (not less than) her commission on the LD.

If she accepts 2/3 of the price of your drink, she is loosing money I guess.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1387602]In Pattaya I asked a very pretty 20 something to go to dinner with me so "that I can just look at you for an evening" she bought the line but as any good Thai girl only if she had a chaperone.[/QUOTE]At least your girl didn't try to bring a ladyboy along as a girl I met at Tukcom a couple of years ago tried to do. Man I called that shit off; thinking I'm bringing a ladyboy as a third wheel on a date AND end up paying? To hell you preach.

True, Thailand (as well as Europe) prices for the same car typically will be 2 to 3 times the cost of the US based price, however I was under the impression the 530i had been out of production for years, and thus its price in Thailand would now likely be in the $60, 000 range for one perhaps 7 to 10 years old.

When bought new (or the equivalent new model) , yes, its price in Thailand or Norway could well be $200, 000, and he's only mentioning the new price, therefore he is in fact accurate.

[QUOTE=Ehunter; 1387564]I am not getting anywhere with google and ISG search finding a past post.

Anybody remember who made (or where is) the post about saving money on girl drinks? The post had something to do with giving the girl 2/3 of the cost of your own drink as long as she does not order any drink herself. I think the girl makes more $ that way opposed to a drink being bought for herself. The post was made either here or on the Pattaya threads.[/QUOTE]Can't answer the question and can't be bothered to search.

Some comments on girl drinks. Its a good idea to understand the rules at each bar. Sometimes the girl must sell a quota of drinks for the month or face fines for not doing so, we which could eat into her salary seriously. So she really needs the girl drinks badly. She may well wish to drink a beer, but be forced to order a girl-drink coke or similar. On occasions I have ordered no drinks myself, or ordered a beer and let the girl drink it, and helped the girls to drink the girl drinks purely for quota reasons (and I did not wish to drink alcohol anyway).

When there are no quote fines, then can find out secretly if the girl would rather get a cash tip instead of the girl drink commission, but cannot be too obvious with this scheme. I never buy ping pong balls to throw at girls, as the bar makes half the money. Its better to give cash tips to the girls. Girl drinks are even worse with girl typically making much less than half the steepish girl drink cost.

In the end I need to spend a reasonable amount on drinks so that the bar will value my custom and give me the best possible service. However be careful. If you are too generous, you get far too many people hanging around you waiting for drinks. You need to be selective as to which staff to buy drinks for or tip. Guys that sit on a drink for a long time are just a waste of space to the bar. So the customer should keep buying another drink at reasonable intervals, be it for himself or the girls. The entertainment of girls dancing and doing shows etc, not to mention unnecessary staff who are not that useful, is paid for by the drinks, so no need to be too stingy.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1387606]If I remember well, it was paying her direct 2/3 or 1/2 of the LD price, (not the price of your own drink) because that is (not less than) her commission on the LD.

If she accepts 2/3 of the price of your drink, she is loosing money I guess.[/QUOTE]The other aspect is that if you are sitting with a lady in a bar or a go-go and the lady does not have a drink the Mamasan will be suspicious in a very short space of time. If the Lady is found to be taking money so the customer avoids the price of a lady drink I would think the lady may be in trouble as the establishment is losing money.

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1387361]. I have a few modellookingtypesofgirls in my regular BKK fleet. They sure know their value as they are rather picky. These girls you don't see with a 70yr old farang guy. I have no problem treating them as non P4P girl as they never claim any money from me. For me fucking is a art and it should be like that for most people. If people want compensation I have no problem giving that to them as well.

But beeing cheap to girls like this as in trying to lower your spending together with them is possible not a good idea. QUOTE]

You and I seem to be on the same wavelength. Philosophically speaking, no woman (including wives and GFs) comes free. The question is really. Where the costs are for what do we incur them. I follow simple principle:

1. Variety.

2. Extreme beauty (sadly, can't live without it)

Combining the two results in the need to go beyond the usual P4P into a "make-believe" land of GFE. I say "make-believe" because for a person coming to BKK of 5-10 days once in a blue moon, a true GFE is hardly an option. So, in addition to usual Go-Gos, G-clubs, and soapies, I prefer to have an option of non-pro or free lancer to accompany me (some English is a must). The question is. Where is best to procure this. Clubs like Insomnia (for non-pros / freelancers) , soapies (to collect phone numbers, as you suggest) , G-clubs, or all of the above?

I'm certainly open to try.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1387602]I didn't see a whole lot of luxury cars in Thailand. Interestingly enough Cambodia has a love affair with Lexus.[/QUOTE]Second-hand Lexi.

Greetings to all!

I will be in BKK for about 2 wks. I have 3 options:

1. Enjoy BKK in depth

2. Have an incursion to Pattaya.

3. Have an incursion to Angeles City in Philipines.

Some tell me that there is nothing much in AC that BKK can't offer, particularly in terms of slim, young model-looking girls. Yet, others say that it is worth shortening the BKK experience for a trip to Pattaya or AC.

I wonder what the respectable members of this forum think on the subject. Many thanks in advance for your opinions!

A

[QUOTE=Pita123;1387692]Second-hand Lexi.[/QUOTE]And where would they import all those used RX's from. US is a big market for those but would it pay to ship all the way there. I got one for my kid for school. They are indestructible.

Other than the Beergarden (and maybe Gulliver) is there any other place along Sukhumvit to pick up freelancers during DAY time? (morning until 4 or 5 pm).

Thanks!

Making a long story short about cars. Just last year there were a number of reports about the Thai customs and how many millions they have lost due to the corruption of their own agents turning their heads when it came to imported cars especially the Benz and BMW.

If the vehicle isn't made like 51% in Thailand you are going to get a jump like 40% on the price of the car? In Pattaya, you have a number of show rooms open with these imports and certainly I have seen a jump in people driving them around. I envy those that can afford them and give them a thumbs up but I have also heard just like Big bikes imported that they have a hard time getting parts and service? Even with the crackdown or most likely just a show in the news that they might be doing something, things don't seem to be slowing down for these cars especially in Pattaya. Story after story I'm told you better know a guy in the black market to help you unless you can pay the full prices of importing?

Last year I saw a Lexus, which is made in Japan on the show floor at Central Festival for 4. 2 million baht, the Mini Coup four door was something like 4 million baht too. My budget, I guess I will have to keep on dreaming in my Toyota Honda scooter.

Seeing as how every body is different I suggest you pick 2 and go from there. Then make a second trip later and pick the one you liked best and add the third option to see the difference. You should have a good time in all3 but will end up with a preference. I personally prefer Bangkok, but it is more expensive than the other 2 and that is a consideration.

McDonald's next to Robinson's which is next to Westin Hotel. I've scored twice with Uni girls from there. Eye contact.

[QUOTE=Francesco24; 1387736]Other than the Beergarden (and maybe Gulliver) is there any other place along Sukhumvit to pick up freelancers during DAY time? (morning until 4 or 5 pm).

Thanks![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Aibolit; 1387704]Greetings to all!

I will be in BKK for about 2 wks. I have 3 options:

1. Enjoy BKK in depth

2. Have an incursion to Pattaya.

3. Have an incursion to Angeles City in Philipines.

Some tell me that there is nothing much in AC that BKK can't offer, particularly in terms of slim, young model-looking girls. Yet, others say that it is worth shortening the BKK experience for a trip to Pattaya or AC.

I wonder what the respectable members of this forum think on the subject. Many thanks in advance for your opinions!

A[/QUOTE]I have never been to the Philipines so I cannot comment on that part of the world.

But as to Thailand, I'd say go to Bangkok AND Pattaya. Nice as Bangkok is, I cannot stand it for more than a week at a time. Too busy, too hot, too much people. Great mongering opportunities though.

Pattaya is so much different, you have to experience it to believe it. Still it is busy and hot too and the beach is not so nice. I booked a room in nearby Jomtien which is much more calm and has a nicer beach. And it is only a short baht-bus ride away from the Pattaya "candy store".

[QUOTE=Wolf Hound; 1387760]Had a horrendous experience last night at the Nuru Guru joint. I thought I would give the Doc the chance to win me back over so me and a buddy headed on over with high hopes of a good time. How wrong this turned out to be. The fat angelino on reception duty was impolite and verbally abusive to my friend for asking which girl was the most popular!

In short we both left and vowed never to return.[/QUOTE]You are not even a paying member. You have 13 posts. 7 of which have been deleted by the administrator for being threatening. And you expect us to somehow believe your post? Look I don't know what you experienced on your visit but I was there 2 weeks ago and was treated with courtesy and respect. I'm pretty sure I met the guy you're talking about. He wasn't impolite and abusive to me or the other customer that sat there talking to him for a long time as I sat at the bar and had a few drinks. I also had a good experience across the street at the BJ joint.

I'm going to err on the side of caution and guess that you have some kind of vendetta working here. And if you're getting your postes deleted here for being abusive I can only imagine what might have transpired at Nuru.

[QUOTE=Aibolit; 1387670]

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1387361]. I follow simple principle:

1. Variety.

2. Extreme beauty (sadly, can't live without it) [/QUOTE]Concentratred efforts on for example Spasso's, Climax, CM2, Rainbow 4, Bacarra, and some of the big soapies in Ratchada. And most importantly a boatload of cash.

"Money #1" as they say.

Now with G club girls there is a different issue that can arise, as most are looking for (wealthy Thai) boyfriends or ongoing sponsors, and if you're not a member nor in Bangkok on a fairly routine basis, they're not usually going to waste their time.

L

I've heard some interesting things about Soi 33 clubs. Are there any that really stand out as having the hottest and friendliest women?

[QUOTE=Francesco24; 1387736]Other than the Beergarden (and maybe Gulliver) is there any other place along Sukhumvit to pick up freelancers during DAY time? (morning until 4 or 5 pm).

Thanks![/QUOTE]I will be careful beeing to bombastic but isn't BKK and especially lower Sukhumvit numbers crowded by girls going with a customer any given day. I can not see daytime would prevent this in any other way than ofcourse they are low in numbers as most work in eve. So I would believe that most girls working in additional bar service cater also during daytime without me having enough exp to give you specific places.

[QUOTE=Francesco24; 1387736]Other than the Beergarden (and maybe Gulliver) is there any other place along Sukhumvit to pick up freelancers during DAY time? (morning until 4 or 5 pm).

Thanks![/QUOTE]There are often streetwalking sex worker freelancers on sukhumvit between sois 3 and 5.

BTW the Beergarden is on soi 7, not Sukhumvit.

[QUOTE=Wolf Hound; 1387760]Had a horrendous experience last night at the Nuru Guru joint. I thought I would give the Doc the chance to win me back over so me and a buddy headed on over with high hopes of a good time. How wrong this turned out to be. The fat angelino on reception duty was impolite and verbally abusive to my friend for asking which girl was the most popular!

In short we both left and vowed never to return.[/QUOTE]Your experience was horrendous but you didn't actually try the services there? Interesting. I know this amazing restaurant in Pattaya (living in Pattaya and it being close to your BJ establishment I'm sure you know it as well) , I have never eaten there but walked past it a few times. I would recommend it to everyone, the food is great although I have never actually sat down and had a meal. Are you getting the picture yet? If it is true that you were even in Bangkok why didn't you come into the Salon to say hello? We could have had a few beers and talked the night away, I'm sure the hours would have flown by.

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Francesco24; 1387736]Other than the Beergarden (and maybe Gulliver) is there any other place along Sukhumvit to pick up freelancers during DAY time? (morning until 4 or 5 pm).

Thanks![/QUOTE]Well there are ones on the street between Soi 3 and 5 and often a couple at the Nana Hotel parking lot. I've never seen any in Gullivers during the day. Just not enough customers. You might find a few in the pool place across and to the right from the BG called New Wave. But basically the BG is the daytime game. The unfortunate thing about freelancers who work in the daytime is that the vast majority of them are to put it gently well past their expiration date. Every now and then I see one in the BG that might rate a 6 to a 7. At least with her clothes on. It didn't used to be that way. 5-10 years ago the BG often had girls who were fairly young, attractive and new to the business but no longer.

In general over the past few years there has been an unexplained gutting of the FL scene in Bangkok. Their numbers are way down, their ages are way up and the quality has sunk badly. Places like the Nana disco and parking lot are basically a thing of the past, Gullivers has a bunch at night but they often ask for silly amounts of money for not very good looking women, the BG at night can often seem like a hike thru an old folks home, the street scene has been taken over by Africans and Lady Boys and Thermae may as well have a sign up saying For Japanese Only for the Good Looking Girls. A lot of the FL action has moved to the late night discos I have heard but even that may be suspect because the few times I have been to Climax lately there were way fewer girls than just a few years ago. Maybe they have moved on to other discos. With no empirical data, my only guess as to the why of this is that 1. Fewer women are going into the trade in general and 2. The ones that still choose to prefer working in an establishment such as a beer bar, a gogo or a massage parlor where they feel safer and get a monthly salary that seems to be getting higher all the time as bars are finding it very difficult having enough girls on hand. I keep hoping for a FL revival but I don't see it coming any time soon.

[QUOTE=Wolf Hound; 1387760]Had a horrendous experience last night at the Nuru Guru joint. I thought I would give the Doc the chance to win me back over so me and a buddy headed on over with high hopes of a good time. How wrong this turned out to be. The fat angelino on reception duty was impolite and verbally abusive to my friend for asking which girl was the most popular!

In short we both left and vowed never to return.[/QUOTE]Very funny but allow me to explain something.

1) You didn't come here because I remember the people, I'm lucky I have a good memory, yesterday no group of 2 people come inside and don't take any girls.

2) Yesterday nobody ask me "who is the most popular girl?" and anyway if somebody ask this why I must to be impolite? This is a common question.

3) I already know who you are and which is your business. Don't worry.

[QUOTE=Aibolit; 1387704]Greetings to all!

I will be in BKK for about 2 wks. I have 3 options:

1. Enjoy BKK in depth

2. Have an incursion to Pattaya.

3. Have an incursion to Angeles City in Philipines.

Some tell me that there is nothing much in AC that BKK can't offer, particularly in terms of slim, young model-looking girls. Yet, others say that it is worth shortening the BKK experience for a trip to Pattaya or AC.

I wonder what the respectable members of this forum think on the subject. Many thanks in advance for your opinions!

A[/QUOTE]Pattaya for sure. Its 2 hours away by taxi or bus. Has fresh air. Has Russian tourist girls to gawk at. Has a beach (sort of). And has a lot of girls everywhere. AC. Never been but it is a huge hassle getting there as opposed to Pattaya and from all I have heard it is a sh*hole in every respect other than the girls. Pattaya is actually getting more respectable by the day which may be a good or bad thing depending on your point of view. I'd say go to Pattaya early in your trip because a lot of guys (not me) end up much prefering it's slower pace and clean air to Bangkok. And you may just decide to stay there.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1387606]If I remember well, it was paying her direct 2/3 or 1/2 of the LD price, (not the price of your own drink) because that is (not less than) her commission on the LD.

If she accepts 2/3 of the price of your drink, she is loosing money I guess.[/QUOTE]I think most Gogos pay the girl around 50 baht for each drink and in beer bars even less. It may not sound like much but it can add up over a month. And as someone says most places have quotas that the girls are expected to reach or be fined. Kind of a sucky system because it really encourages the girls to drink and often it's not coke but the real stuff .they seem to especially love tequila shots and over time a lot of these girls become hard drinkers and their health suffers and they put on a lot of weight which they then take drugs to lose. But really by paying 2/3's you are not saving yourself all that much money and the bar would not look kindly on it and the girl would have to go in search of another customer. In some bars as long as you are buying her drinks, she can sit with you all night and not dance; in others that is not the case.

[QUOTE=DRRonin; 1388070]Well there are ones on the street between Soi 3 and 5 and often a couple at the Nana Hotel parking lot. I've never seen any in Gullivers during the day. Just not enough customers. You might find a few in the pool place across and to the right from the BG called New Wave. But basically the BG is the daytime game. The unfortunate thing about freelancers who work in the daytime is that the vast majority of them are to put it gently well past their expiration date. Every now and then I see one in the BG that might rate a 6 to a 7. At least with her clothes on. It didn't used to be that way. 5-10 years ago the BG often had girls who were fairly young, attractive and new to the business but no longer.

In general over the past few years there has been an unexplained gutting of the FL scene in Bangkok. Their numbers are way down, their ages are way up and the quality has sunk badly. Places like the Nana disco and parking lot are basically a thing of the past, Gullivers has a bunch at night but they often ask for silly amounts of money for not very good looking women, the BG at night can often seem like a hike thru an old folks home, the street scene has been taken over by Africans and Lady Boys and Thermae may as well have a sign up saying For Japanese Only for the Good Looking Girls. A lot of the FL action has moved to the late night discos I have heard but even that may be suspect because the few times I have been to Climax lately there were way fewer girls than just a few years ago. Maybe they have moved on to other discos. With no empirical data, my only guess as to the why of this is that 1. Fewer women are going into the trade in general and 2. The ones that still choose to prefer working in an establishment such as a beer bar, a gogo or a massage parlor where they feel safer and get a monthly salary that seems to be getting higher all the time as bars are finding it very difficult having enough girls on hand. I keep hoping for a FL revival but I don't see it coming any time soon.[/QUOTE]My dear fellow monger I find it hard we can have so different view on the girl situation of BKK pussy market. I can to one certain point agree with you that as Thailand become a higher society country (but still a banana republic from my point of view. Due to massive corription) as in maby less girls need selling their pussy to obtain e decent standard of living. But many of these girlsnhave one disadvantage and that is they are pure lazy and would rather spend a few minutes on their backs than bagging up shoes in a factory (just an example damn it hehe). I have no statistic to base my riting upon and I write this onlybthrough my own observations.

I see and hearpeople complain about two main issues and 1. Is the low level of workinggirls and 2. The high pricing.

I have no idea how Nana p lot isbstanding out or how ladyboys in the area is flooding the streets as I mostly cater the discomarket and fl girls. These girls are still game and I see no difference since 5years ago. They are many, and maby to be correct they are far more in numbers now than 5 years ago. I still pay the additional normaly 3000bht for lt action (sometimes from my own mind I pay less or more.only a tad hehe. Bts is same price and beer in shop same price, even a bottle of absolute was 2500bht in climax 5years ago and still is. But to be fair everything is dirt cheap in my mind in asia maby more or less in the rest of the world as well as I am used to norwegian prices and sometimes have to pay Us18 for a glass of beer. Only tokyo and zurich can make my eyebrows react.

Well there are still a lot of girls hitting the late night discos. I observe also a lot of girls in various bars. And I take it forbgranted they can be rented. As for BG in Soi 7/1 I spend a small hour there a few days ago and I saw a decent looking mixed crowd of girls (young, old, fat and slim). What I mostly did react upon was the ammount of shitty old guys there. Not very attractive to the girls I believe. So maby that sceene is starting to change? And not for the better. This was not an attack on you at all just an observation made by me. In norway the direct Thai Airways flight is called "the white trash flight". Earlier white trash was only used of people living in Pattaya. But in a general perspective I felt I could see some truth to this saying on my visit to BG. Only fight hard to not become one myself. I still enjoy decent outfit, some soap at times and maby even add some nice smelling perfume under armpits.

Well just my observation. By the way I have never ever had any difficulties getting girls from the left line up at Thermae. Yes they do cater a rather expanding japaneese / korean crowd but also cater westerns like myself. I have never ever heard someone refusing to go with me due to my white trash alter ego, hehe.

Hey, anyone here who can recommend on the wildest place in or near BKK for a sex show? Planning to take a friend out on his bachelor party, and want to leave him totally blue-balled. As in "boned up like crazy but not letting him out of sight for a release". I know, pretty evil, but he deserves it!

So, where can we take him and be sure there are super hot girls in wild action on stage? Please tell a bit about the flavor of show too, in case there are some noteworthy house specialities. He is not faint at heart, so no limits to what could work here.

Thanks!

Peff

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1388086]My dear fellow monger I find it hard we can have so different view on the girl situation of BKK pussy market. I can to one certain point agree with you that as Thailand become a higher society country (but still a banana republic from my point of view. Due to massive corription) as in maby less girls need selling their pussy to obtain e decent standard of living. But many of these girlsnhave one disadvantage and that is they are pure lazy and would rather spend a few minutes on their backs than bagging up shoes in a factory (just an example damn it hehe). I have no statistic to base my riting upon and I write this onlybthrough my own observations.

I see and hearpeople complain about two main issues and 1. Is the low level of workinggirls and 2. The high pricing.

I have no idea how Nana p lot isbstanding out or how ladyboys in the area is flooding the streets as I mostly cater the discomarket and fl girls. These girls are still game and I see no difference since 5years ago. They are many, and maby to be correct they are far more in numbers now than 5 years ago. I still pay the additional normaly 3000bht for lt action (sometimes from my own mind I pay less or more. Only a tad hehe. Bts is same price and beer in shop same price, even a bottle of absolute was 2500bht in climax 5years ago and still is. But to be fair everything is dirt cheap in my mind in asia maby more or less in the rest of the world as well as I am used to norwegian prices and sometimes have to pay Us18 for a glass of beer. Only tokyo and zurich can make my eyebrows react.

Well there are still a lot of girls hitting the late night discos. I observe also a lot of girls in various bars. And I take it forbgranted they can be rented. As for BG in Soi 7/1 I spend a small hour there a few days ago and I saw a decent looking mixed crowd of girls (young, old, fat and slim). What I mostly did react upon was the ammount of shitty old guys there. Not very attractive to the girls I believe. So maby that sceene is starting to change? And not for the better. This was not an attack on you at all just an observation made by me. In norway the direct Thai Airways flight is called "the white trash flight". Earlier white trash was only used of people living in Pattaya. But in a general perspective I felt I could see some truth to this saying on my visit to BG. Only fight hard to not become one myself. I still enjoy decent outfit, some soap at times and maby even add some nice smelling perfume under armpits.

Well just my observation. By the way I have never ever had any difficulties getting girls from the left line up at Thermae. Yes they do cater a rather expanding japaneese / korean crowd but also cater westerns like myself. I have never ever heard someone refusing to go with me due to my white trash alter ego, hehe.[/QUOTE]No doubt we all see things differently and see things through a different prism. What might be a catch to you is a no thank you to me and vice versa. I don't see much in the FL world that I have liked for a while. I've been coming here since 1993 and have seen the FL scene dwindle from literally thousands filling up lower Sukhumvit at night to a much smaller pct of that. Sure nice ones are still out there but it's a lot more work finding them. It used to take about a minute in the Nana or in Thermae or in the Grace Hotel to find a really attractive girl. I make the rounds many nights and see very little. Maybe I am jaded but then so must all of my friends be as they all feel the same way and have nearly all migrated to gogos to find good looking women.

As to the Thermae, you must be a stud muffin or have really good luck. I have seen many Farangs get dissed and brushed away before they even could say hello. I once went with a girl who had worked the Nana scene but had taken up residency at Thermae. We walked out together and her friends yapped after her. She told me that they were asking her why she was going with a Farang in a dismissive tone. Through another ex-Nana girl I had her approach a cutie who had previously ignored me to put in a good word for me and offer her 3000 baht st (crazy but I really wanted to go with her) and she said no she never goes with Farangs. Ever. Now there are some very plain janes in the Thermae. Even on the line. And they will go with Farangs. But the really pretty ones? The ones I want. Hardly ever. But good for you for cracking the code. At the same time I see Farangs leave the Thermae or the BG with girls I would literally not want to be found dead or alive with. I think to myself, this is what they traveled thousands of miles for? But they look as happy as if they had just landed the biggest fish in the lake. And that's all that matters.

[QUOTE=Jgm005;1387870]McDonald's next to Robinson's which is next to Westin Hotel. I've scored twice with Uni girls from there. Eye contact.[/QUOTE]Go to any of the places young Thai women hang out during the day (eg shopping area and coffee shops.) Look for good looking girls with tramp stamps wearing sexier than average clothes. These are likely to be SW. Establish eye contact and smile. If the girl ignores you don't pay her any more attention. If she smiles back, approach her, which may not be necessary because she may approach you.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1388108]Sure nice ones are still out there but it's a lot more work finding them. It used to take about a minute in the Nana or in Thermae or in the Grace Hotel to find a really attractive girl. I make the rounds many nights and see very little. Maybe I am jaded but then so must all of my friends be as they all feel the same way and have nearly all migrated to gogos to find good looking women.[/QUOTE]Interesting discussion.

As Skogis alluded to, with P4P, earning large money for little hours is preferable to low wages for long hours, so its not like most have opted for real jobs. Setting aside the price issue and looking at the (somewhat more identifiable) 5 year macro trend "less WG hotties", do you think this could relate to the continued ongoing financial ascendancy of the east over the west, specifically the increasing aggregate financial power of China, Korea, and Japan and to a lesser degree the other asian "tigers" including Thailand itself? Is is possible this is causing the higher end working girls, to work off market? or engage in more (exclusive) private arrangements? Or move into higher priced venues generally inaccessible to typical Farangs?

In financial terms at least, its hard to deny the sun is setting on the west and rising on the east, and the trend seems unstoppable, and beauty tends to follow financial power. In other words, Farangs, (except maybe the wealthy, charming, or good looking) are perhaps slowly but inextricably starting to basically be dealt out of the deck in regard to the upscale talent. Your comments on Thermae reflect that, a lot of pretty ones just aren't bothering anymore.

[QUOTE=Dave Carrera;1387995]I've heard some interesting things about Soi 33 clubs. Are there any that really stand out as having the hottest and friendliest women?[/QUOTE]DC, definitely not the hottest – just a slightly different set-up. Stickman did a little blurb about the soi a while back but was a bit rambling and I thought a bit unrelatable without a prior visit – but I'm not a Stickman fan anyway.

The bars on 33 ('soi artist' – Dali, Degas, etc) are kind of a strange mix of old-time hostess style bar and lower Suk style beer bar. Mostly 6's and 7's with an occasional 8. Women seem more grounded and the service I have received has always been most excellent.

Barfine however is usually double other bars or more and as some have mentioned maybe a waste. I always stop in at least once on longer trips as I usually blow through most of the hot women in Nana as I rarely repeat and for my taste cowboy seems to have become too much bait-and-switch.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1388076]Pattaya for sure. Its 2 hours away by taxi or bus. Has fresh air. Has Russian tourist girls to gawk at. Has a beach (sort of). And has a lot of girls everywhere. AC. Never been but it is a huge hassle getting there as opposed to Pattaya and from all I have heard it is a sh*hole in every respect other than the girls. Pattaya is actually getting more respectable by the day which may be a good or bad thing depending on your point of view. I'd say go to Pattaya early in your trip because a lot of guys (not me) end up much prefering it's slower pace and clean air to Bangkok. And you may just decide to stay there.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the comment. The fact that Pattaya is only 2 hours away from BKK makes it attractive to visit. Clean air is also a good thing, although I'm planning to make excursions outside BKK for sightseeing anyway. Yet, if Pattaya is the same game in terms of P4P experience as BKK. Then why bother? What Pattaya has that BKK doesn't (aside from clean air)? Same question is for Angeles City. Again, I would venture out of BKK to AC or Pattaya for a) variety and be) quality of mongering experience. However, if it is almost the same scene as BKK. Then why to get distracted?

Thanks in advance for comments! A

[QUOTE=Aibolit; 1388197]Thank you for the comment. The fact that Pattaya is only 2 hours away from BKK makes it attractive to visit. Clean air is also a good thing, although I'm planning to make excursions outside BKK for sightseeing anyway. Yet, if Pattaya is the same game in terms of P4P experience as BKK. Then why bother? What Pattaya has that BKK doesn't (aside from clean air)? Same question is for Angeles City. Again, I would venture out of BKK to AC or Pattaya for a) variety and be) quality of mongering experience. However, if it is almost the same scene as BKK. Then why to get distracted?

Thanks in advance for comments! A[/QUOTE]Putting it in those terms I can't really make an argument for or against Pattaya. Both Bangkok and Pattaya have Thai girls who primarily come from Issan and have sex with us for money. They are pretty interchangeable. Pattaya used to be much cheaper but the prices there are quickly catching up with Bangkok in terms of girls, hotels and food. The girls in Pattaya also used to have a reputation of being less mercenary but I think they are catching up with Bangkok in that regard as well. It really comes down to the different atmospheres. Big city vs beachside resort that often reminds me of the tackiness of the Jersey Shore. For a bigger difference you might want to think about Phuket which has girls but is a much better beach and water experience but is also famous for its rippoffs. AC of course has Filipinas and most of them speak very good English. But even the guys who like AC admit that it is way down the food chain but that is part of its charm I guess.

Actually not hard to get to AC from Bangkok. It is a 3 hour flight into Clark on the discount airlines. The difference between is Ac and Thailand is the language. Most speak decent english in the Phils. They also tend to be GFE, but not always. You can find that in BKK but it is certainly more rare than in AC or the Phils. The other differentce is the more raunchy places in Pattaya. There are a few and they should be seen at least once. But after that, up to you. Phuket has nice beach and a little entertainment. I went once and that was enough for me. But that is just me.

Again try to make 2 trips. One to Thailand and the phils. Then try the other in Thailand and then decide if it is still Thailand or the Phils you want visit on the second part of the trip.

[QUOTE=Western787; 1388144]Interesting discussion.

As Skogis alluded to, with P4P, earning large money for little hours is preferable to low wages for long hours, so its not like most have opted for real jobs. Setting aside the price issue and looking at the (somewhat more identifiable) 5 year macro trend "less WG hotties", do you think this could relate to the continued ongoing financial ascendancy of the east over the west, specifically the increasing aggregate financial power of China, Korea, and Japan and to a lesser degree the other asian "tigers" including Thailand itself? Is is possible this is causing the higher end working girls, to work off market? Or engage in more (exclusive) private arrangements? Or move into higher priced venues generally inaccessible to typical Farangs?

In financial terms at least, its hard to deny the sun is setting on the west and rising on the east, and the trend seems unstoppable, and beauty tends to follow financial power. In other words, Farangs, (except maybe the wealthy, charming, or good looking) are perhaps slowly but inextricably starting to basically be dealt out of the deck in regard to the upscale talent. Your comments on Thermae reflect that, a lot of pretty ones just aren't bothering anymore.[/QUOTE]I can't really speak to the West vs East issue and it's close to impossible to have numbers on how many girls are currently in the business vs previous years. There are just too many venues spread out over the whole country and marketed to different customers. Ie Farang, Thai, Arab and Japanese. My guess is that there are fewer but that is just based on the fact that Thailand has a fast growing middle class that you can see swarming into the upscale malls in their nice clothes and University outfits buying pricey sweets and eating at Sizzlers. Generally when this happens in society girls find other opportunities than sex for money. Ya, the money is probably still better doing sex for money but not by as much as it used to be. I know regular girls who are now making 15, 000 baht in normal jobs. True if you have a good month as a working girl you can make double this, but there is a price to pay and there is uncertainty and there is danger in this profession and there is a stigma attached to it. So girls have to weigh all this up.

The one thing though that I can attest to is that when I first came here back in the early 90's the Thai working girls who catered to Farangs came from all over Thailand. Girls from Chiang Mai, Suritani, Bangkok, Hat Yai and of course Issan. Now the girls we see in the gogos or the FL's have to be about 95% Issan. Why is that? Because Issan is way behind the rest of the country in economic development. If Issan and the Red Shirts ever get some form of economic equality, we may have to kiss a lot of the scene goodbye. I hear that comparatively we are getting the bottom of the barrel in terms of quality (other than the Arabs who get girls who should not even be in the barrel). The topnotch ones seem to be in the highend Thai and Japanese bars. These are the light skinned girls. But never having been in any of these highend bars I can't say and of course beauty is all subjective.

There are just so many factors at work that I think decrease the number of girls and the quality of girls who are visible to us. Other than those already mentioned, many many girls are going out of country to work where they get paid much better (I currently know 2 girls in Switzerland, one in Bahrain and one in Hong Kong who had been part of my roster only a few months ago) , many girls are doing their marketing on the Internet as Independents or in Escorts and God knows how many girls are being sponsored and so are out of the scene at least till the money stops. Very little of this was going on 10 years ago. But the good news is that there are still thousands to choose from and though they may not all be beauties, they are still much better than most of us are or were getting back home!

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1362637]Just offered a rainbow girl 2k short time. She wouldn't budge below 2. 5k, this after building rapport over a few days.

I would consider her a 2nd tier girl, very pretty yet doesn't get a lot of barfines. Maybe she does after all the hot ones are gone for the evening. Who knows.

If this is an indication of why so many girls just don't get barfined, it is because all of them price themselves as if they were 1st tier girls.[/QUOTE]I love Rainbow 4! I take Rainbow 4 girls fairly often because I think they have the hottest girls in Nana, Patpong or Soi Cowboy. There was a time not too long ago when I had shagged almost every girl in that place who I even found attractive (and that's quite a few, because I believe they have good talent there). Although it does happen, it's rare that one of them ever demands 2500 for a short time. Mostly 2000 is ok, but I have had some demand 2500. I almost never bargain up front and I always tell the girls who demand 2500 at the end that if they want that much money for that time, I will not take them again. The girls who do demand 2500 at the end don't ask me for that up front either and tell me they see me take so many girls out of there, they just assume I know the price. I tell them that I do know the price. 2000 short time. If they ever ask for 2500 up front, I don't take them. The ones demanding that much are normally a crap shag anyway. I do find that the girls never ask for 2500 each if you take more than one girl at a time.

What the heck are you doing "building up a rapport over a few days" for anyway? That seems a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] poor move in my opinion. If you are going in there and not taking a chick out, but wasting their time chatting them up, they probably think you are a cheap charlie and that's why they want to make sure to bargain with you up front. It's rare I ever go in there without pulling a chick out of there. If you want to "build a rapport" with a Rainbow 4 girl, inside the bar is not the place to do it unless you do bar fine them. Those girls are serious working girls looking for money.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1388262]I love Rainbow 4! I take Rainbow 4 girls fairly often because I think they have the hottest girls in Nana, Patpong or Soi Cowboy. Those girls are serious working girls looking for money.[/QUOTE]I paid a visit to Rainbow 4 for the first time tonight. After having downed a couple at Soi Cowboy with a senior member of this forum we kind of gravitated towards NEP. I am not much of a fan of a-go-gos, but I was surprised by the great attitude that some of the girls had. They really tried to make a sell, even taking turning down personally (number 52 started calling my fellow mongerer names).

I barfined number 149 and paid the asking price 2400 baht for short time. Great body, tight pussy, slow to warm up (almost to the point of frustration).

Pretty girls, mostly, but also some nasty stretch-marked bellies on display. Long live variety!

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1388218]Putting it in those terms I can't really make an argument for or against Pattaya. Both Bangkok and Pattaya have Thai girls who primarily come from Issan and have sex with us for money. They are pretty interchangeable. Pattaya used to be much cheaper but the prices there are quickly catching up with Bangkok in terms of girls, hotels and food. The girls in Pattaya also used to have a reputation of being less mercenary but I think they are catching up with Bangkok in that regard as well. It really comes down to the different atmospheres. Big city vs beachside resort that often reminds me of the tackiness of the Jersey Shore. For a bigger difference you might want to think about Phuket which has girls but is a much better beach and water experience but is also famous for its rippoffs. AC of course has Filipinas and most of them speak very good English. But even the guys who like AC admit that it is way down the food chain but that is part of its charm I guess.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the input. You have pursuaded me not to waste my time on Pattaya, as it won't provide and added value. But what do you mean that AC is "way down the food chain"? I am still having trouble deciding wheather to make an excursion to AC from BKK or not.

A

[QUOTE=Kurre; 1388284]I paid a visit to Rainbow 4 for the first time tonight. After having downed a couple at Soi Cowboy with a senior member of this forum we kind of gravitated towards NEP. I am not much of a fan of a-go-gos, but I was surprised by the great attitude that some of the girls had. They really tried to make a sell, even taking turning down personally (number 52 started calling my fellow mongerer names).

I barfined number 149 and paid the asking price 2400 baht for short time. Great body, tight pussy, slow to warm up (almost to the point of frustration).

Pretty girls, mostly, but also some nasty stretch-marked bellies on display. Long live variety![/QUOTE]Strange sort of sarcasm, you have.

[QUOTE=Aibolit; 1388346]Thanks for the input. You have pursuaded me not to waste my time on Pattaya, as it won't provide and added value. But what do you mean that AC is "way down the food chain"? I am still having trouble deciding wheather to make an excursion to AC from BKK or not.

A[/QUOTE]A, this discussion has been held countless times here on the ISG. For example, read my recent take, post #12160.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=1382967&viewfull=1#post1382967[/url] - On AC to Pattaya comparisons.

Some like BKK best, some like Pattaya best, and some like AC best; but the bottom line is all three destinations are great and worthy of your travel time. DO YOU READ ME? ALL THREE ARE GREAT! So believe me you will not be wasting your time going to Pattaya. Pattaya is must see place. You have not lived until you monger in Pat. I think you wrote that you had two weeks to travel. Then take my advice: 7 days BKK / 7 days Pattaya and make the most of both destinations. And put AC on your must do list for next time.

Ok here is a quick off the cuff comparison:

BKK. Big city, very pretty girls, many sex venues, and spread out. Massage parlors best, but a few Go Go's are very good. Great restaurants, amazing cultural attractions, and shopping.

Pattaya. A resort town. Much more laid back than BKK. More happy working girls per sq mile than anywhere else in the world. The Go Go's are best. There are many really good ones. Walking Street is 20x the size of Cowboy! Soi Six is great. LK Metro very good. Beach Road FL's are always worth a look see. Countless beer bars. The list is endless. Disneyworld for adults. A great place to barhop. I usually drink more and stay out later in Pat than in BKK.

AC. A private punting club for mongers only. Great bars, large and small. What does AC have that Thailand does not have? Filipinas! GFE Filipina style. Plus AC is a funky honky tonk town like no other. Your mother would not want you to go to AC.

Now I have the luxury of time on my side. I will be landing in BKK in less than a week. Here is my itinerary: 2 weeks BKK, 1 week Pat, 5 days Phuket, 2 night layover KL, 6 nights AC, 5 nights Subic, 5 nights Macau, 1 week BKK. For the last 4 years I have pretty much followed the same path. BKK, Pattaya, Macau are always on my itinerary. I rotate every other year between AC and Manila. I like them both. This trip I will be checking out Subic and KL for the first time and going back to Phuket for the first time in 20 years. 5 days to blast off. I can't wait, but my message to you, Aibolit, is if you have the time ( 10 days or more) take in BKK and Pattaya. You will not regret it. The two towns compliment each other and will enrich your punting experience. Bon Voyage!

[QUOTE=Aibolit; 1388197]Thank you for the comment. The fact that Pattaya is only 2 hours away from BKK makes it attractive to visit. Clean air is also a good thing, although I'm planning to make excursions outside BKK for sightseeing anyway. Yet, if Pattaya is the same game in terms of P4P experience as BKK. Then why bother? What Pattaya has that BKK doesn't (aside from clean air)? Same question is for Angeles City. Again, I would venture out of BKK to AC or Pattaya for a) variety and be) quality of mongering experience. However, if it is almost the same scene as BKK. Then why to get distracted?

Thanks in advance for comments! A[/QUOTE]I would go to Pattaya. I see it as different from BKK. Just go there for one day if you can swing it. Walking Street is worth the visit. There is no WS like it in BKK. I believe every true monger has to go to Pats at least once. Especially if you are already in Thailand.

AC will just be full on girls and fucking. That is all I got out of it. No beach, not much else to do. That is fine if that is all you want. But you are mentioning clean air and excursions. I think Pats offers more of a variety of other activites.

But either way, I dont think you can make a wrong decision. You can fuck your brains out at either place at resonable prices, if that is your goal.

[QUOTE=Aibolit;1388197]. However, if it is almost the same scene as BKK. Then why to get distracted?[/QUOTE]While I commend your quest, finding gorgeous, fresh faced, long leg, passionate, ultra young (18 to 23 year old) model types on (presumptively) a limited budget on a 10 to 14 day trip and in sufficient numbers to give you the "variety" you speak of, Pattaya and AC would not be the place to focus on anyways. Bangkok is the right city.

However, unless you're a younger version of Brad Pitt, its highly improbable, certainly not in the time frame you describe. But then again, no harm in trying.

Limited budget? Limited time? And want them literally gorgeous as well as young? You might try a more focused strategy. For example you could sort through the 1000's of soapie girls in your first 48 hours, making early afternoon visits, describing to the soapie pimps precisely what you want (possibly tipping at some point) , then returning later as the inventories expanded for the evening. That strategy should yield you at least 1 or 2 meeting your standards to spend time with on the 2 or so weeks you were in Bangkok, although provider peformance may or may not be that great, hard to tell.

[QUOTE=Aibolit; 1388346]Thanks for the input. You have pursuaded me not to waste my time on Pattaya, as it won't provide and added value. But what do you mean that AC is "way down the food chain"? I am still having trouble deciding wheather to make an excursion to AC from BKK or not.

A[/QUOTE]I think he means while AC (simply given the vast numbers of WGs) has a lot of hot girls, in relative terms the top echelon of WG talent in the Phils is far more likely to follow the big money and head for Manila, a city which has a variety of other issues far more complex than Bangkok

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1388359]Your mother would not want you to go to AC.[/QUOTE]LOL, too funny man. Simply being there is a 24/7 "walk of shame"

[QUOTE=Western787; 1388367]While I commend your quest, finding gorgeous, fresh faced, long leg, passionate, ultra young (18 to 23 year old) model types on (presumptively) a limited budget on a 10 to 14 day trip and in sufficient numbers to give you the "variety" you speak of, Pattaya and AC would not be the place to focus on anyways. Bangkok is the right city.

However, unless you're a younger version of Brad Pitt, its highly improbable, certainly not in the time frame you describe. But then again, no harm in trying.

Limited budget? Limited time? And want them literally gorgeous as well as young? You might try a more focused strategy. For example you could sort through the 1000's of soapie girls in your first 48 hours, making early afternoon visits, describing to the soapie pimps precisely what you want (possibly tipping at some point) , then returning later as the inventories expanded for the evening. That strategy should yield you at least 1 or 2 meeting your standards to spend time with on the 2 or so weeks you were in Bangkok, although provider peformance may or may not be that great, hard to tell.[/QUOTE]Hey W, you just jogged my memory. Is "A" the guy who came to the BKK forum a couple of weeks ago telling us he was travelling to BKK and he was looking exclusively for 18 to 23 year old model types. I remember now. When I suggested BKK Gold Escorts as well as La Belle and some G-Clubs, he responded that none of the Gold Escort girls fit his criteria? A, if you are this guy, then forget about AC. They have some pretty girls there, but you will be very unhappy there unless you adjust your sights. In fact, I predict you are going to be very unhappy no matter where you go unless you give up your fixations. 9* to 10*, 18 to 23 year old, model quality Thai girls are not going to be wasting their time on a 2 week cherry Farang who can't speak Thai unless he is Brad or knows some well-placed BKK people to introduce him and show him around. This trip is going to be a disaster unless you loosen up and go with the flow. First, forget the age thing. If not, you will rule out many fantastic girls 23 to 27 years old. Second, shoot for 7* sexy in Soapy massage parlors like La Belle and Go Go's like Baccara and Rainbow 4. The G-clubs are for more seasoned travelers. Third, after you loosen up and start getting a feel for things, hit the oily parlors and enjoy some PSE. Forth, head down to Pattaya and party. I really hope you have a great trip, A, but you got to get rid of a lot of this preconceived BS before that is going to happen. Don't say you were not warned.

Respective gentlemen!

First, I'd like to thank everyone here for input. Just to clarify 3 things: I am not ugly, I am not on a budget and I do like the very best in terms of talent / looks / attidute.

For that reason, semi-pros / FLs or, if time allows, non-pros are my preference anywhere I go, as with them one is more likely to achieve GFE experience. All that said, I'm not blessed with either patience or time and thus can't invest the time needed to cultivate non-pros (although I had some luck by preparing the ground via the internet way in advance). Consequently, I can't afford "fixating" (as one of you put it) only on model-quality.

All this results I always devise a two-prong strategy (that in my great number of trips proved effective) :

1. Prepare well in advance a good list of "regular" places to visit (I. E. Places where model-type beauty is unlikely to be found and *7 with good attitude is the best one can expect).

2. Prepare well in advance a list of places where semi-pros / FLs (on occasion non-pros) congregate and strike my luck there. This includes working the DIA / TLL and the like ahead of the visit.

Given that Phillipinas exhibit good GFE and speak English (based on some posts) and AC has quantities that can be perhaps translated into quality. I tend to choose AC or Manilla over Pattaya, as GFE / English is much more valuable to me than Pattaya, which I understand is similar to NEP, only in greater quantity and more relaxed setting.

In any case, I found your continued input very helpful to think things through. Thank you!

A

[QUOTE=DRRonin; 1388235]I can't really speak to the West vs East issue and it's close to impossible to have numbers on how many girls are currently in the business vs previous years. There are just too many venues spread out over the whole country and marketed to different customers. Ie Farang, Thai, Arab and Japanese. My guess is that there are fewer but that is just based on the fact that Thailand has a fast growing middle class that you can see swarming into the upscale malls in their nice clothes and University outfits buying pricey sweets and eating at Sizzlers. Generally when this happens in society girls find other opportunities than sex for money. Ya, the money is probably still better doing sex for money but not by as much as it used to be. I know regular girls who are now making 15, 000 baht in normal jobs. True if you have a good month as a working girl you can make double this, but there is a price to pay and there is uncertainty and there is danger in this profession and there is a stigma attached to it. So girls have to weigh all this up.

The one thing though that I can attest to is that when I first came here back in the early 90's the Thai working girls who catered to Farangs came from all over Thailand. Girls from Chiang Mai, Suritani, Bangkok, Hat Yai and of course Issan. Now the girls we see in the gogos or the FL's have to be about 95% Issan. Why is that? Because Issan is way behind the rest of the country in economic development. If Issan and the Red Shirts ever get some form of economic equality, we may have to kiss a lot of the scene goodbye. I hear that comparatively we are getting the bottom of the barrel in terms of quality (other than the Arabs who get girls who should not even be in the barrel). The topnotch ones seem to be in the highend Thai and Japanese bars. These are the light skinned girls. But never having been in any of these highend bars I can't say and of course beauty is all subjective.

There are just so many factors at work that I think decrease the number of girls and the quality of girls who are visible to us. Other than those already mentioned, many many girls are going out of country to work where they get paid much better (I currently know 2 girls in Switzerland, one in Bahrain and one in Hong Kong who had been part of my roster only a few months ago) , many girls are doing their marketing on the Internet as Independents or in Escorts and God knows how many girls are being sponsored and so are out of the scene at least till the money stops. Very little of this was going on 10 years ago. But the good news is that there are still thousands to choose from and though they may not all be beauties, they are still much better than most of us are or were getting back home![/QUOTE]Agree with you. It is a completely different ball game now. Thailand's economy is smoking, unemployment is low, and wages are up. The P4P scene is developing as it will in any country. No longer do gals with degrees and jobs need to work a little on the side to support themselves. Uni grads make a decent salary and competition for employees is fierce. P4P will becomes less stratified and we will be left with high dollar h*kers and low class h*s, just like we have in the West. Great for gals here but not so fun for the mongers. It has changed and will continue to. Another aspect is the continuing rise to power and prominence of the Thai female. Women outnumber me in Uni and are starting to become more powerful in the workforce. Many are choosing to stay a single "working woman" as opposed to marrying and "taking care of a man." The "feminist" movement will sweep Thailand far faster than it did the West. Hey, we have a female PM. I would not be surprised if this emerging feminism in Thailand did not lead to some major changes in the P4P industry. Can go either way. Legalization or a true crackdown. My bet would be on the latter. And again, sooner than we might think.

Except from the largly debate of G-clubs, elite escort agencies we have to also mention the larger nightclubs spred around the citie of BKK. And them catering for the normal farrang mongerer. As I have a few friends working in BKK I sometimes join them to normal venues where a rather successful crowd of BKK people gather up. Here you can find spinners making Lucy Thai (yes I know she is haiwaiian) look rather avarage, hehe.

If you look up my pics from my regular fleet of girls some are met at places like this. You will have a good cance running into beautiful 9-10 ladies, pale skinned and highly educated between 18. 25. But in places like this normal mechanisms will be your pnly chance. People here can afford their own expensive chamagne and trying to outdo them spendinwice will only make you look silly.

Out of respect I have hidden 2 absolute stunners (both thaichineese) from pics shared with you all. As these girl have high possitions even one beeing a pilot. She is 35yrs and have lived most of her life in the US so she can speak those R's. The other one is doing modeling and claims also to have played in some thaisoapes (not main part). So with a good portion of pure luck and decent behaviour everything is possible in amazing Thailand.

One thing I will state is that the upgrowing crowd of young thaipeople becomes more and more international. They speak fairly good english and belonging to the middle to highclass population they go away on holidays as us from norway do. But still they are horny and they all say that I treat them more nice than any thaiguy would.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1388350]Strange sort of sarcasm, you have.[/QUOTE]Hey, just trying to turn sweet a night that went somewhat sour. Taking it with a smile, eh?

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1388235]Because Issan is way behind the rest of the country in economic development. If Issan and the Red Shirts ever get some form of economic equality, we may have to kiss a lot of the scene goodbye. I hear that comparatively we are getting the bottom of the barrel in terms of quality (other than the Arabs who get girls who should not even be in the barrel). .[/QUOTE]If we get the bottom of barrel, and the Arabs get beneath the barrel, I'm just wondering what does Mr Delhi and Mr Mumbai get. See more and more of them on every BKK visit, but rarely see them with ladies.

[QUOTE=Aibolit; 1388346]Thanks for the input. You have pursuaded me not to waste my time on Pattaya, as it won't provide and added value. But what do you mean that AC is "way down the food chain"? I am still having trouble deciding wheather to make an excursion to AC from BKK or not.

A[/QUOTE]Again I have never been to AC so my opinion is only based on what many people have told me; some that hated AC others that ended up moving to AC. Did you ever make it to Boca Chica in the Dominican Republic? If so, it seems to be like that with no beach. In the middle of nowhere. Bad food, mediocre hotels and pretty much nothing to do except drink and have sex. Gogo's start at noon. That is what people do there. Go to gogos and drink. A squirmy little rundown place where you wonder if the guy drinking next to you is running from the law. So by "way down on the food chain" I mean that of all the millions of places to go in the world there is no reason to go there other than sex. Every foreigner you see is there for that reason and that reason only. There are no legitimate tourists like there are in Thailand. Now depending on what you are looking for and your frame of mind that can be heaven or hell. Now I have been to Manila a few times and I think Filipina girls can be great. You can find some truly beautiful girls there. But of course the drawback is that you are in Manila. The heart of darkness.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1388439]If we get the bottom of barrel, and the Arabs get beneath the barrel, I'm just wondering what does Mr Delhi and Mr Mumbai get. See more and more of them on every BKK visit, but rarely see them with ladies.[/QUOTE]Ladyboys. They just don't know it.

[quote=goatscrot;1388427]agree with you. it is a completely different ball game now. i would not be surprised if this emerging feminism in thailand did not lead to some major changes in the p4p industry. can go either way. legalization or a true crackdown. my bet would be on the latter. and again, sooner than we might think.[/quote]this is the big question isn't it? if it comes i don't think it will be due to feminism as much as to pure economics. there is obviously loads of money being made by the sex industry catering to farangs (i don't think the one catering to thai's will ever go away) but our sex trade is just so visible and looks so disreputable. that money goes into a lot of pockets from owners to girls to cops and probably much higher. but there is also much much more money being made through legitimate tourists who spend far more money per person than your average sex tourist. stay in the nicer hotels, eat in better restaurants, take trips etc. i don't know if these two strains of tourism can really co-exist forever. watching families walking down soi 4 is one of the oddest things ever and i think is one reason why the police have been cracking down so hard on street girls over the past couple of years. they are unsightly, they leave a bad impression on tourists, that's what they talk about when they go home. so these two different forces of making money are in conflict with one another and i expect some day. whether next week or in 20 years. that the economic forces of the legitimate tourism will slowly or maybe quickly force the sex industry out or make it much more discreet. goodbye gogos mainly and perhaps the ever expanding beer bar scene. you look around lower sukhumvit and you will see luxury hotels and condos being built by the handful. do you think these places want all this crap going on in their neighborhood? you see the same thing going on in pattaya.

i witnessed this on a smaller scale in boca chica in the dominican republic. back in the 1990's this tiny beachside town was overflowing with chicas; and guys from all over the world went there to sample the sun and the girls. but there were also a few all-inclusive hotels catering to charter flights from europe and these places did not even allow girls to be brought back. so these really were legit tourists with their families and girlfriends. over time these hotels that had the money and influence forced the govt to crack down on the girls and force them out. boca is now a shadow of a shadow of what it used to be.

the other factor is what you mention. thailand is changing faster than a speeding bullet socially and economically and the internet and other modes of communication are pushing that. all of these working girls are on facebook. it's really amazing. it allows thai's to see the rest of the world and also to see how the rest of the world views thailand. the snl skit sort of brought that to the forefront recently. it was embarrassing to the govt and to the thai's. this is how the world really views this country. for all that thailand has to offer and as far as they have come, most of the world still sees thailand as a hooker paradise. at what point do they have enough pride to say enough is enough. how long will it be before a politician sees an opportunity to win votes by promising a crusade to shut down the farang aspects of the sex industry. maybe never or as you say maybe much sooner.

Reading current posts makes me inclined to eat rat poison. Things are better than ever as far as I'm concerned, more hot chicks than I can handle. In greater number, places, services and looks. Both in BKK and Pattaya. Screw Grace and the other places. That was yesterday. Gone like Wash Square. Forget the past and don't fear the future.

Second trip to BKK. 9 days this time, wanted to throw HK and macau into the mix:

Day 1: HK.

Day 2/3: macau.

Day 4-9: BKK, Pattaya.

Logistics: hk ferry from airport to macau, flight from macau to BKK, side trip to patts, flight from BKK back to hk.

HK: not really sure what to do or where to stay in Hk for one day. Got a good dim sum place referral from a friend. Other than that, looking to do some clubbing at night. The 141 scene sounds too low end for this trip. Hows the wan chai scene these days? Recent post from natty suggest that it has fallen off. Is k pressure or mount fuji closer to upscale?

Macau: pork chop bun and bungee jumping. Staying at sands, I'm assuming thats close to the action. Will definitely check out Rio, and then lower end darlings 1 or familia nobre? Anyone been to cubic?

BKK: stayed at omni tower last time, soi 4. Anyone staybeen at Asoke hotel??? Going all upscale this time. Long beach, poseidon, nicer gogos like rainbow 4 or baccara. Had fun at shock 35, will explore cm2. Anything else on par with these places?

Patts: good times at airport gogo and rasputin. A place called climax, that looked interesting. Anyone tried hollywood nightclub?

Hope to have some veteran advice on my ambitious plans, where I should cut out and what to keep.

Off the rtff some more.

Thanks brothers.

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[QUOTE=JesseJames;1388471]Reading current posts makes me inclined to eat rat poison. Things are better than ever as far as I'm concerned, more hot chicks than I can handle. In greater number, places, services and looks. Both in BKK and Pattaya. Screw Grace and the other places. That was yesterday. Gone like Wash Square. Forget the past and don't fear the future.[/QUOTE]Wow! I really don't see it that way. Can't comment on Patters, but BKK is a shadow of its former self.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1388438]No offense but I rarely hear thailnad mentioned when it comes to up and coming 3rd world countries. I hear vietnam mentioned but never Thailand. India with high poulation of engineers and of course China.[/QUOTE]Thailand is most certainly not a 3rd world country at the present. Last quarter GDP surged 18. 9%. The economy grew by 3. 6% last quarter. Foreign investment is pouring in. The place is absolutely booming and prices are increasing accordingly. There are over eighty thirty story plus buildings under construction at this time. Ritz Carlton is beginning the tallest building in Thailand and the Waldorf Astoria Thailand is about to break ground. So I would have a rethink about Thailand's position.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1388441]Fear not my friend. The policies the reds believe in will only ensure issan remain where it is, in the economic shithole it currently is and has been forever. Kiinda like the hope and change stuff the commie USA president believes in. Misery for all![/QUOTE]Have you been to Isaan lately? Do you have any idea what land prices are doing in Isaan? Skyrocketing. Have you seen the development in cities like Udon, KK, Ubon, etc? Isaan is not the poor backwater it was just two decades ago.

Commie president? Really? Obama is center right at best. We have not had a true left leaning president in the US since Roosevelt. Perhaps that is why it is such a mess.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1388441]Fear not my friend. The policies the reds believe in will only ensure issan remain where it is, in the economic shithole it currently is and has been forever. Kiinda like the hope and change stuff the commie USA president believes in. Misery for all![/QUOTE]Actually not at all. Isaan has prospered under TRT and Pua Thai. It is developing nicely and will continue to do so. In fact, contrary to what is left of the Dem party might tell you, Thailand has done very well economically under TRT and PT. Just take a look at the growth numbers under these admins.

[quote=drronin; 1388452]this is the big question isn't it? if it comes i don't think it will be due to feminism as much as to pure economics. there is obviously loads of money being made by the sex industry catering to farangs (i don't think the one catering to thai's will ever go away) but our sex trade is just so visible and looks so disreputable. that money goes into a lot of pockets from owners to girls to cops and probably much higher. but there is also much much more money being made through legitimate tourists who spend far more money per person than your average sex tourist. stay in the nicer hotels, eat in better restaurants, take trips etc. i don't know if these two strains of tourism can really co-exist forever. watching families walking down soi 4 is one of the oddest things ever and i think is one reason why the police have been cracking down so hard on street girls over the past couple of years. they are unsightly, they leave a bad impression on tourists, that's what they talk about when they go home. so these two different forces of making money are in conflict with one another and i expect some day. whether next week or in 20 years. that the economic forces of the legitimate tourism will slowly or maybe quickly force the sex industry out or make it much more discreet. goodbye gogos mainly and perhaps the ever expanding beer bar scene. you look around lower sukhumvit and you will see luxury hotels and condos being built by the handful. do you think these places want all this crap going on in their neighborhood? you see the same thing going on in pattaya.

i witnessed this on a smaller scale in boca chica in the dominican republic. back in the 1990's this tiny beachside town was overflowing with chicas; and guys from all over the world went there to sample the sun and the girls. but there were also a few all-inclusive hotels catering to charter flights from europe and these places did not even allow girls to be brought back. so these really were legit tourists with their families and girlfriends. over time these hotels that had the money and influence forced the govt to crack down on the girls and force them out. boca is now a shadow of a shadow of what it used to be.

the other factor is what you mention. thailand is changing faster than a speeding bullet socially and economically and the internet and other modes of communication are pushing that. all of these working girls are on facebook. it's really amazing. it allows thai's to see the rest of the world and also to see how the rest of the world views thailand. the snl skit sort of brought that to the forefront recently. it was embarrassing to the govt and to the thai's. this is how the world really views this country. for all that thailand has to offer and as far as they have come, most of the world still sees thailand as a hooker paradise. at what point do they have enough pride to say enough is enough. how long will it be before a politician sees an opportunity to win votes by promising a crusade to shut down the farang aspects of the sex industry. maybe never or as you say maybe much sooner.[/quote]really appreciate your insightful comments. yes, i think that it will come down to the fact that the open outward p4p scene cannot coexist with the mainstream industry forever. remember that certain mayor of manila who in one fail swoop closed much of the cities naughty entertainment? seoul did the same thing right before the olympics. it will happen here, it is just a matter of when. the farang scene first and then eventually some of the more outward aspects of the thai scene. social media has for sure given thais a window on the world they have never had, it has for all of us. and for sure at some point someone will "clean up this town." pattaya might be another matter though.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1388501]Really appreciate your insightful comments. Remember that certain mayor of Manila who in one fail swoop closed much of the cities naughty entertainment? Seoul did the same thing right before the Olympics. It will happen here, it is just a matter of when. .[/QUOTE]I agree DDRonin made good comments. And I share your feelings too. We should look at what is going to happen (and somehow something is already happening) in Rio and in Brazil in general with the upcoming Olympics. We already experienced action in China for the Olympics in Bejing and with the world trade fair in Shangai. Amsterdam RLD, though, became a tourist icon, with families visiting the alleys and look at the windows (with hookers in). Knowing how liberal the Dutch are I would not wonder if sooner or later they will fund a few girls or ladies to display in the windows as part of the tourist attractions. They are not shy as the Thais, tho'

[QUOTE=Aibolit; 1388399]Respective gentlemen!

First, I'd like to thank everyone here for input. Just to clarify 3 things: I am not ugly, I am not on a budget and I do like the very best in terms of talent / looks / attidute.

For that reason, semi-pros / FLs or, if time allows, non-pros are my preference anywhere I go, as with them one is more likely to achieve GFE experience. All that said, I'm not blessed with either patience or time and thus can't invest the time needed to cultivate non-pros (although I had some luck by preparing the ground via the internet way in advance). Consequently, I can't afford "fixating" (as one of you put it) only on model-quality.

All this results I always devise a two-prong strategy (that in my great number of trips proved effective) :

1. Prepare well in advance a good list of "regular" places to visit (I. E. Places where model-type beauty is unlikely to be found and *7 with good attitude is the best one can expect).

2. Prepare well in advance a list of places where semi-pros / FLs (on occasion non-pros) congregate and strike my luck there. This includes working the DIA / TLL and the like ahead of the visit.

Given that Phillipinas exhibit good GFE and speak English (based on some posts) and AC has quantities that can be perhaps translated into quality. I tend to choose AC or Manilla over Pattaya, as GFE / English is much more valuable to me than Pattaya, which I understand is similar to NEP, only in greater quantity and more relaxed setting.

In any case, I found your continued input very helpful to think things through. Thank you!

A[/QUOTE]Aibolit,

Have you Googled any pictures of Angeles City, Pattaya, and Bangkok? General pics of each city / town and pics of the girls, would give you a feel for the type of girls you will see. AC is a hole in the wall, with several bars on a strip not much bigger than Soi Cowboy. It is a one trick pony. Each location has fans, but I suggest you use the eye test, and Google pics and Youtube videos of each. While I agree with Natty's overview, I believe how great each is will be in the eye of the beholder. AC was a fun experience the first time, but each following visit seemed less fun than the one before it. After a while, it became an after thought. I would say those that like AC will prefer Pattaya over BKK and visa versa. That is a generalization, and I know how dangerous generalizations are. Different strokes for different folks.

AT2

[quote=goatscrot;1388493]wow! i really don't see it that way. can't comment on patters, but bkk is a shadow of its former self.[/quote]ya its still very easy to have fun in bkk and anyone can still get laid 24/7 if they are not very discriminating or have a lot of money, but i think a lot of guys who come here for a week or two are not really in a position to see the forest for the trees. and guys will always say that some of us view bangkok thru the fog of time and there may be some truth to that, but bangkok used to be such an incredibly wild place. it was a river of girls flowing everywhere from all over thailand asking for money that felt like pocket change. it's still great and there is no place i would rather be, but it really is nothing compared to what it was even ten years ago in regards to girls. and i think the fear for some of us is that the trend will continue; fewer and less attractive girls, higher prices and a less service oriented attitude. this is what happens everywhere as countries go up the development and educational ladder and globalization / social media has just speeded this up. remember the old days when after you entered the room the girl would kneel down to take off your shoes or the price was always "up to you" and they sort of meant it. and long time and short time was a very squishy concept? i don't want to sound too nostalgic but when you get older it's hard not to be at times!

[quote=drronin;1388560]ya its still very easy to have fun in bkk and anyone can still get laid 24/7 if they are not very discriminating or have a lot of money, but i think a lot of guys who come here for a week or two are not really in a position to see the forest for the trees. and guys will always say that some of us view bangkok thru the fog of time and there may be some truth to that, but bangkok used to be such an incredibly wild place. it was a river of girls flowing everywhere from all over thailand asking for money that felt like pocket change. it's still great and there is no place i would rather be, but it really is nothing compared to what it was even ten years ago in regards to girls. and i think the fear for some of us is that the trend will continue; fewer and less attractive girls, higher prices and a less service oriented attitude. this is what happens everywhere as countries go up the development and educational ladder and globalization / social media has just speeded this up. remember the old days when after you entered the room the girl would kneel down to take off your shoes or the price was always "up to you" and they sort of meant it. and long time and short time was a very squishy concept? i don't want to sound too nostalgic but when you get older it's hard not to be at times![/quote]again, so well stated. bkk has lost its edge, and that is what was so attractive about it not too long ago. it is safe now. there is mall upon mall, upscale this, and trendy that, all of which really did not exist a short decade ago. a river of girls is a good analogy. just a few short years ago you could not walk 50 mts down suk in the evening without finding a very cute gal. now it is a real nasty demographic that hangs there. guess the lookers go to late night discos (no thanks, never could stand bad dance or cover music) or work in gogos and get 2k up for a 10 min st. gals assumed and wanted to stay with dudes long time and they loved finding boyfriends, who would take care of them. now most really don't want boyfriends, because an attractive gal can make in excess of 100k month, which for thailand is still stratosphere money. most mbas with 5 yrs experience don't come near that. and yet it amazes me how guys are willing to give these gals 30k up a month, and some don't even live here. no wonder the gals are spoiled and don't give good service. yep, them days is over. glad i got to enjoy them. i still love living in bkk, but it is not really for the gals now, although it is a joy to walk through a mall and see all the lookers, but for the food and the friends that i have.

I agree to a point. Things have changed and as you said 'wall to wall' malls with glitz and glamour. But yet, when I sit at my favorite street bar in front of Robinson's at Soi 17 / Suk I can not help admire some of the quality that walks bye. Sure a lot of not so hot ladies but there are many that are outstanding. Than again this will fall into the 'what one person things is outstanding another might not'.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1388611]SNIPPED . Just a few short years ago you could not walk 50 mts down Suk in the evening without finding a very cute gal. Now it is a real nasty demographic that hangs there. SNIPPED .[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1388444]You can find some truly beautiful girls there [in Manila]. But of course the drawback is that you are in Manila. The heart of darkness.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the input, DRRonin, but I've never been in Manila. What do you mean by the "heart of darkness", when you talk about it? If you were looking model-type P4Ps and semi-pros in Phillipines, where would you go. AC or Manila?

Best,

A

[QUOTE=Aibolit;1388661]What do you mean by the "heart of darkness"[/QUOTE]He means Manila is a more dangerous place relatively speaking. A friend of mine was there a couple of years ago and the Hotel he stayed at had guards at the front entrance armed with shot-guns. You can run into trouble in any large city but more so in Manila. If you do decide to go two places which do have good looking ladies are Air-force one and Midnight, if they are still open.

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1388685]He means Manila is a more dangerous place relatively speaking. A friend of mine was there a couple of years ago and the Hotel he stayed at had guards at the front entrance armed with shot-guns. You can run into trouble in any large city but more so in Manila. If you do decide to go two places which do have good looking ladies are Air-force one and Midnight, if they are still open.

Regards,

BJ[/QUOTE]I stayed at the Marriott near the airport and they had armed guards out front and searched people that entered.

That is a good thing really I guess.

[QUOTE=Jgm005;1388620]I agree to a point. Things have changed and as you said 'wall to wall' malls with glitz and glamour. But yet, when I sit at my favorite street bar in front of Robinson's at Soi 17 / Suk I can not help admire some of the quality that walks bye. Sure a lot of not so hot ladies but there are many that are outstanding. Than again this will fall into the 'what one person things is outstanding another might not'.[/QUOTE]I would say that I see more great looking gals in BKK today than I did a decade ago. They dress better and know how to doll themselves up better. However, most of these women are not available to the monger. The gals I see in the farang P4P scene are less appealing as time goes by.

[QUOTE=Aibolit; 1388661]Thank you for the input, DRRonin, but I've never been in Manila. What do you mean by the "heart of darkness", when you talk about it? If you were looking model-type P4Ps and semi-pros in Phillipines, where would you go. AC or Manila?

A[/QUOTE]My 100 Pesos worth.

1. Since you expressed an interest in younger (age 18 to 23) women, you should be warned that in the Phillipines the laws are much harsher than Thailand should you for example (in good faith) mistake a 17 year old female for being 18 years old. Fake I'd's are common, and setup scams in fact are often directed at gullible newbies.

2. Manila is where the wealth and power is concentrated, so it attracts far more upscale model types (whether they be P4P, semi pro, or normal women) than AC. Keep in mind though as a general rule, many want to exit Manila and the Phillipines itself, seeing it as a hopeless cause, far different than the typical attitude in Thailand, where Bangkok is often considered to be an amazing Megalopolis of world class proportions.

3. Lets say hypothetically (and I'm not saying this is your situation per se) a high end monger was really planning on blowing a lot of dollars because he wanted world class beauties, and this included tipping various procurers etc in different venues, and lets say he would pay extra for it. While being too visible probably is not too wise anywhere in the world, it would be far more dangerous doing that in Manila than for example in Bangkok. The poverty problems in Manila far exceed Bangkok, and such desperation can cause people to do extreme things.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1388875]Help me out here guys.

2 very depressing viwes of Bangkok, Thailand. LOL. Ballgame is nowhere near over fellas! What happened to thes e 2 guys is that BKK has passed them by.

A sports ex. A football coach who still stands by his wing t formation in USA football. Football is no longer a running game yet the guy laments why he isn't having any fun running up the middle. LOL.[/QUOTE]For once I agree with Harold. If the game has changed you have to change up your game plan. You can talk all you want about the plays you used to run 30 years ago, but nobody falls for those old trick plays anymore. You have to be able to innovate. You don't like the discos because you say the music and dancing is bad, but that is where all the good women are. Suck it up for an hour or so until you can pull one out, or be stuck in the 80s and continue to go without.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1388933]You have to be able to innovate. You don't like the discos because you say the music and dancing is bad, but that is where all the good women are. Suck it up for an hour or so until you can pull one out[/QUOTE]LOL, soon mongers are going to have to be more like these 2 Dudes.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2h4PhgobI8[/url]

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1388827]I stayed at the Marriott near the airport and they had armed guards out front and searched people that entered.

That is a good thing really I guess.[/QUOTE]Reassuring that you are safe inside your Hotel but disturbing that they need armed guards in the first place I think.

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Western787; 1388942]LOL, soon mongers are going to have to be more like these 2 Dudes.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2h4PhgobI8[/url][/QUOTE]Now that is funny.

1. I can't dance.

2. Wrong shape to wear one of those suits.

Guess I will have to stick to go-go's and Soapies / Oilie's.

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1388379]Hey W, you just jogged my memory. Is "A" the guy who came to the BKK forum a couple of weeks ago telling us he was travelling to BKK and he was looking exclusively for 18 to 23 year old model types. I remember now. When I suggested BKK Gold Escorts as well as La Belle and some G-Clubs, he responded that none of the Gold Escort girls fit his criteria? A, if you are this guy, then forget about AC. They have some pretty girls there, but you will be very unhappy there unless you adjust your sights. In fact, I predict you are going to be very unhappy no matter where you go unless you give up your fixations. 9* to 10*, 18 to 23 year old, model quality Thai girls are not going to be wasting their time on a 2 week cherry Farang who can't speak Thai unless he is Brad or knows some well-placed BKK people to introduce him and show him around. This trip is going to be a disaster unless you loosen up and go with the flow. First, forget the age thing. If not, you will rule out many fantastic girls 23 to 27 years old. Second, shoot for 7* sexy in Soapy massage parlors like La Belle and Go Go's like Baccara and Rainbow 4. The G-clubs are for more seasoned travelers. Third, after you loosen up and start getting a feel for things, hit the oily parlors and enjoy some PSE. Forth, head down to Pattaya and party. I really hope you have a great trip, A, but you got to get rid of a lot of this preconceived BS before that is going to happen. Don't say you were not warned.[/QUOTE]Natty,

That is some sound advice! My sensei in all things in this hobby! I have to just say, 'thank you! ' for all your posts. I've been reading them these past few months and it's been keeping the embers burning in my heart (and loins) until my next foray into Asia. It's creeping up on 10 months since I've gone overseas, and I do miss Thailand very much (May 2012 trip) and AC (June 2011). I can't wait to run away again.

To new hobbyists,

I got rid of a lot of my high level expectations when I went to the PI in 2011. To be honest, I was sure as hell looking for that 'perfect' and stunning hot PI girl. Instead, I ended up falling head over heals for a girl who had a very GND (as much as can be said for that in the PI) look, so I suppose a 6 on my scale, but she had just a great personality and gave me the best GFE I've ever had. Best 5 days of my entire trip was the time I spent with her! So I was looking for a 9 or 10 and found one of the best GFE with a 6! I'm glad that experience made me shake those high expectations.

I would wholly recommend to anyone new to this hobby, head Natty's advice on this one. Take it easy and feel out the situation (s). Part of the thrill is going out every night and not knowing what's possible. Expectations can be a major buzzkill if one doesn't have those expectations fulfilled after hours of hunting into the night. Taking it easy and feeling the girls out may lead to having that unforgettable, mind blowing, sex night that stays with you for months aftwerwards!

As been said before by other experience members and interpreted in many ways. Gold may be right there in front of you, but you might miss all those nuggets if one is only looking for diamonds.

Back to Thailand. Did an oily in Bangkok and it was a memorable and enjoyable experience! Not a bad way to spend an afternoon. Soi Cowboy was always entertaining for the two nights I was there. Lovely, lovely, lovely girls in Baccara! (Thanks Natty for your reviews on Baccara.) And I definitely endorse this part that Natty recommends. Party in Pattaya! Did a soapy in Pattaya, saw the same 27 year old 'masseuse' during the day for a week. She kept me incredibly well shagged during the day! And because she wasn't that younger 20 something honey, I didn't turn her down that first time and went with the flow; and I was so lucky because she gave me some of the best fucking I had in Pattaya.

Enjoy and don't strain yourself looking for that 9 or perfect 10. Lots of good times to be had in-between until you find that 'perfect fuck'.

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1388685]He means Manila is a more dangerous place relatively speaking. A friend of mine was there a couple of years ago and the Hotel he stayed at had guards at the front entrance armed with shot-guns. You can run into trouble in any large city but more so in Manila. If you do decide to go two places which do have good looking ladies are Air-force one and Midnight, if they are still open.

Regards,

BJ[/QUOTE]LOL! You are so right. The McDonald's in Manila had a guard with a shot gun, and in AC the hotels off Fields ave there were guards with guns. The first time in Manila and AC were WTF moments! Aaaah the memories! I also do not recommend walking off the beaten path in AC, if someone says they have something to show you. ;)

For the mongers waxing poetic about the changes in BKK, in my neck of the woods a house cost US$20,000 40 years ago, US$100,000 30 years ago, and somewhere upwards of US$600,000 now. Pussy jumping from 200 baht to 2,000 baht or more is all relative.

AT2

This post gets lost quickly in all the meaningless drivel about egos on here. But here goes.

Last week I wasted a bar fine, drinks, and dinner on a gal named Sherry from Black Pagoda in Patpong. She's the tall, slender, chop-stick (about 5'10" without the heels.) We left out of there, had a good time on the town for a little while, but that's not what I paid her for. At the hotel, she was a non-performer. Tried to turn away from kissing, no oral action, and lackluster FS (if you can even call it that.) And wanted to leave at 3am from our "Long Time" agreement. Hmmm, wonder why she wanted the money up-front? Of course, I didn't fall for that! Black Pagoda has some other good talent, so just pass on this one.

[QUOTE=Western787; 1388931]My 100 Pesos worth.

[QUOTE]Thank you, Western787, for your "100 Pesos". In spite of all the dangers, I'm inclined to get a taste of Phil, carving some time from my BKK adventure that is already planned. The appeal of famous GFE attitude + English abilities of the ladies makes it a "must try" thing for me (I am one of thoese for whom verbal communication is a must). I have decided to sacrifice a trip to Pattaya for this.

I have been torn between Manila and AC, as both have positives. After doing some research (not yet finished) , I have concluded that as I have limited time and the high-end mongering scene in Manila does not seem as accessible as in BKK, I will bite a bullet and sample AC. My hope is that with my clear awareness of what I exacly want, I'll be able to quickly spot a gem from 3000 specimens.

Of course, all this may change, as I develop some relationships online with Manila cuties in preparation of my visit.

Best,

A

I find the whole idea of finding model quality p4p at any of the talked about locations a bit ridiculous. I mean you might get lucky once in a great while but I wouldn't bet on it. If you're looking for model quality there are places to get that and it's not usually for general consumption. I suggest seeing if you can get in touch with Eliot Spitzer and ask him where he was getting 5K an hour model / escorts. The closest I've seen to something like that was at Night Flight in Moscow.

But if you seriously think you're going to walk into a bar on Fields or Nana and walk out with a woman that could grace the pages of Vogue you're sadly mistaken. If you're a big swinging dick, and have a seven figure salary and more money than Bill Gates I suggest feeling out some of your friends and see what they know. Or go to the middle east and see who the sheiks use as talent agents. But that whole concept is a little silly here.

JMHO

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1388875]Help me out here guys.

2 very depressing viwes of Bangkok, Thailand. LOL. Ballgame is nowhere near over fellas! What happened to thes e 2 guys is that BKK has passed them by.

A sports ex. A football coach who still stands by his wing t formation in USA football. Football is no longer a running game yet the guy laments why he isn't having any fun running up the middle. LOL.[/QUOTE]Oh, you are correct. It is turning into the West, the place we left, and for all the reasons we are talking about here. Bad attitudes, etc.

[quote=mr enternational;1388933]for once i agree with harold. if the game has changed you have to change up your game plan. you can talk all you want about the plays you used to run 30 years ago, but nobody falls for those old trick plays anymore. you have to be able to innovate. you don't like the discos because you say the music and dancing is bad, but that is where all the good women are. suck it up for an hour or so until you can pull one out, or be stuck in the 80s and continue to go without.[/quote]again, if the "game" is what you hated to play in the west, why would you want to play it here? i myself do not. sorry, i just can't pretend to have fun at a disco listening to awful modern hip hop or philippine bands playing cover songs. i will take being raped by a mountain gorilla over that, and truthfully it is a real turn off to see women enjoying it and thinking it is "good." nope, oilies are about the only place for me these days.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja; 1389069]I find the whole idea of finding model quality p4p at any of the talked about locations a bit ridiculous. I mean you might get lucky once in a great while but I wouldn't bet on it. If you're looking for model quality there are places to get that and it's not usually for general consumption. I suggest seeing if you can get in touch with Eliot Spitzer and ask him where he was getting 5K an hour model / escorts. The closest I've seen to something like that was at Night Flight in Moscow.

But if you seriously think you're going to walk into a bar on Fields or Nana and walk out with a woman that could grace the pages of Vogue you're sadly mistaken. If you're a big swinging dick, and have a seven figure salary and more money than Bill Gates I suggest feeling out some of your friends and see what they know. Or go to the middle east and see who the sheiks use as talent agents. But that whole concept is a little silly here.

JMHO[/QUOTE]So true. Agree with you 100. What is it about this? Tell ya, it is nothing but guys needing to feed their own ego. Great thing about getting older is that your ego shrinks and what you care about is being treated well and getting good service from the girls. Of course you do want them to be pleasant to look at, but you have nothing to prove to anyone.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1389074]So true. Agree with you 100. What is it about this? Tell ya, it is nothing but guys needing to feed their own ego. Great thing about getting older is that your ego shrinks and what you care about is being treated well and getting good service from the girls. Of course you do want them to be pleasant to look at, but you have nothing to prove to anyone.[/QUOTE]I do agree about the age thing. When you've proved your worth to yourself you really have little need to let everyone know it. For the astute there are tells. When Russia was coming out of Communism Devs would always look at a guys shoes. If a man had a nice pair of well kept shoes his status improved greatly. That was before today's man status symbols. A car is always a give but in today's credit world anyone can drive a 7series. Pay the lease and you're good as gold. But, can you buy it outright? .

Luxury time pieces. Is that a real Patek or my favorite Panerai?

So inasmuch as all the new bucks in town like to brag about 30 bjs in 30 tries. And wanting model quality at gogos. Yeah right.

Reminds me of a joke.

Sitting atop a hill on a beautiful spring day. Grazing in the valley below is a large herd cows, a bunch of fine heifers. The Young Bull, looks over the whole valley seeing many, many fine heifers.

The Old Bull surveys the valley as well and smiles.

The Young Bull, now too excited to control himself, looks at the Old Bull and says, 'Hey. Let's run down this hill and f*ck one of those heifers! '

The Old Bull looks back at The Young Bull and says, 'No. Let's walk down the hill and fuck them all. '

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1389058]

[QUOTE=Aibolit; 1389055]I never understood the concept of finding gems. No one else is seeing the same 3000 girls you plan to see?[/QUOTE]I think it's clear. Some people are more decisive than others and some people also know better than others what they want. I personally (and sadly) know too well that anything beyond certain level of attractiveness just won't excite me. So, I try to resist temptations of *4-6 ladies and lazer-zoom at fresh cuties above *7. Hope things are clearer now. Good luck! A

I will submit a detailed report later but just to quickly input what I have seen / experienced so far: The quality of girls has hit the bottom if not rock bottom. I could hardly find 1-2 doables at Mango. 1 at SW and none at many other MPs I channed upon near soi cowboy area. The girls are almost all flat chested and not good looking at all. Same with FLs at Beer garden / Thermae. Not even one stunner. Thermae girls prefer japs so even if you do find one or two that may fit the bill for the night, they won't be intestrested in you in the first place. The FLs on streets are terrible looking.

While mongering I prefer to come across a girl whose face / body make me pay for her, preferably instantly. Sadly, that is not the case here. Out of some 200 I have seen in past few days, not even 5 would hit 5/10 on my scale.

Baccara had about 2/3 pretty looking ones, I would rate them as 7-7. 5 but they are picked up before you can blink an eyelid. By Japs of course.

Perhaps I am too choosy but it does seem like that standard is dropping very fast in Bangkok. Plenty of very good looking Thais in malls / metros but in MPs / Pickup joints etc. Nothing. Nada. Rien

[QUOTE=FruitNinja; 1389069]I find the whole idea of finding model quality p4p at any of the talked about locations a bit ridiculous. I mean you might get lucky once in a great while but I wouldn't bet on it. If you're looking for model quality there are places to get that and it's not usually for general consumption. I suggest seeing if you can get in touch with Eliot Spitzer and ask him where he was getting 5K an hour model / escorts. The closest I've seen to something like that was at Night Flight in Moscow.

But if you seriously think you're going to walk into a bar on Fields or Nana and walk out with a woman that could grace the pages of Vogue you're sadly mistaken. If you're a big swinging dick, and have a seven figure salary and more money than Bill Gates I suggest feeling out some of your friends and see what they know. Or go to the middle east and see who the sheiks use as talent agents. But that whole concept is a little silly here.

JMHO[/QUOTE]I respectfully disagree. First, NF in Moscow is for succers. Myself and many others find it far from model quality! Almost any top Moscow disco has model-quality girls. But again, what's model quality for one is non-quality for others. I think I defined in my previous posts what's model quality for me. I will repeat it here: young (18-23) , fresh-faced, very slim, gorgeous face and smile, GFE attitude. Doesn't matter how she's dressed, doesn't matter if she's not tall. A girl next door can be model quality for me. Playboy doesn't define that quality in my book. I think that based on the above-mentioned description. 3000 specimens in a meet market like AC can yield what I'm looking for. Of course, I'm also pursuing other angles to this chase. Angles that are a bit more sophisticated than Mr. Spizer's. (:

Good luck to you!

A

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1389074]So true. Agree with you 100. What is it about this? Tell ya, it is nothing but guys needing to feed their own ego. Great thing about getting older is that your ego shrinks and what you care about is being treated well and getting good service from the girls. Of course you do want them to be pleasant to look at, but you have nothing to prove to anyone.[/QUOTE]To each its own. Let us not get too critical of others who we barely know. Happy hunting!

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1389058]

[QUOTE=Aibolit; 1389055]I never understood the concept of finding gems. No one else is seeing the same 3000 girls you plan to see?[/QUOTE]You got a point, but I can't quibble with his goal.

There is nothing intrinsically wrong with for example in a 10 to 14 day trip to Bangkok and or the Phillipines to WANT to bang a dozen or so ultra hot "fresh faced" "young, long leg, passionate, gorgeous model types" True, he's not looking for runway models or requiring they be particularly tall, but he's certainly describing women that would probably fit into the top 10% of "models" typically doing for example Bangkok International auto shows. That's an extreme standard by any measurement.

However in practical terms, any sane person knows this is not going to happen unless one is a major high roller or a visiting rock star. Looks, youth, and charm on the part of the monger while a plus would not swing it. We're talking major bucks. Perhaps "Righteous Dude" the Global Nanpa guy could pull if off, but that guy leases private jets to fly to other southeast asian cities, otherwise flies transcontinental 1st class, stays in the top suites in 5 star hotels, routinely hires models for photo shoots, and leases Lamborghinis, so he's not your normal monger.

Natty Bumpo has warned Aibolit about AC, and while he will find some meeting his extreme standards, the sort through process itself required could attract unwanted attention, such attention possibility dangerous anywhere in the Phillipines, especially Manila, but AC as well. He would effectively have to outbid other mongers, because those girls (or even a fraction of what's he's describing) get noticed by everyone on Fields

Bangkok is a far more practical city to implement a more limited version of such a strategy.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1389074]So true. Agree with you 100. What is it about this? Tell ya, it is nothing but guys needing to feed their own ego. Great thing about getting older is that your ego shrinks and what you care about is being treated well and getting good service from the girls. Of course you do want them to be pleasant to look at, but you have nothing to prove to anyone.[/QUOTE]The above will be the finest smartest and most apt words spoken on ISG today!

I am planning to visit for a couple of days. Could any senior member recommend a tall gg that can offer GFE ST / LT from NEP or neighbouring areas?

Thanks

[QUOTE=FruitNinja; 1389091]I do agree about the age thing. When you've proved your worth to yourself you really have little need to let everyone know it. For the astute there are tells. When Russia was coming out of Communism Devs would always look at a guys shoes. If a man had a nice pair of well kept shoes his status improved greatly. That was before today's man status symbols. A car is always a give but in today's credit world anyone can drive a 7series. Pay the lease and you're good as gold. But, can you buy it outright? .

Luxury time pieces. Is that a real Patek or my favorite Panerai?

So inasmuch as all the new bucks in town like to brag about 30 bjs in 30 tries. And wanting model quality at gogos. Yeah right.

Reminds me of a joke.

Sitting atop a hill on a beautiful spring day. Grazing in the valley below is a large herd cows, a bunch of fine heifers. The Young Bull, looks over the whole valley seeing many, many fine heifers.

The Old Bull surveys the valley as well and smiles.

The Young Bull, now too excited to control himself, looks at the Old Bull and says, 'Hey. Let's run down this hill and f*ck one of those heifers! '

The Old Bull looks back at The Young Bull and says, 'No. Let's walk down the hill and fuck them all. '[/QUOTE]And to the young bulls it is all about competition. To the old bull it is about satisfaction.

[QUOTE=Aibolit;1389276]To each its own. Let us not get too critical of others who we barely know. Happy hunting![/QUOTE]Hey, we all like good looking gals, no doubt, but to get snide, competitive, and overpay to stroke one's ego in a city full of women is silly. And sadly that is what I see with many of the "young bulls" (credit to Fruitninja for that one) that are coming to BKK.

[QUOTE=Western787;1389279]However in practical terms, any sane person knows this is not going to happen unless one is a major high roller or a visiting rock star. Looks, youth, and charm on the part of the monger while a plus would not swing it. We're talking major bucks.[/QUOTE]Damn right on that. I recently saw an interview with an actor / singer. He said before he was famous women would not give him the time of day. He was always the ugly duckling. You always see people on the forum write,"Unless you look like Brad Pitt..." Well Brad Pitt has always looked like Brad Pitt, but I have a feeling that before the world knew him and he gained fame and riches, most of the women he has access to now were off limits.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1389316]Damn right on that. I recently saw an interview with an actor / singer. He said before he was famous women would not give him the time of day. He was always the ugly duckling. You always see people on the forum write,"Unless you look like Brad Pitt." Well Brad Pitt has always looked like Brad Pitt, but I have a feeling that before the world knew him and he gained fame and riches, most of the women he has access to now were off limits.[/QUOTE]I think some people say,"Unless you [U]are[/U] Brad Pitt." That's the phrase I use. In other words, you're famous, rich and handsome.

[QUOTE=Aibolit;1389273]I think I defined in my previous posts what's model quality for me. I will repeat it here: young (18-23) , fresh-faced, very slim, gorgeous face and smile, GFE attitude. Doesn't matter how she's dressed, doesn't matter if she's not tall. A girl next door can be model quality for me. Playboy doesn't define that quality in my book. I think that based on the above-mentioned description. 3000 specimens in a meet market like AC can yield what I'm looking for.[/QUOTE]I've seen this type you describe in youtube videos of Angeles City bars.

I see them around the NEP area in BKK everyday when I go for a mere 15 minute walk. They are there at night as well. Why not follow & see where they are going?

In the last 8 weeks I've been regularly employing one like that with large tits who was almost free for a ST. I could have her everyday, but it would be so boring, even though she is close to perfect in every way.

But it might help if you post pics or vids of exactly what you're talking about. Should be good for a laugh, if nothing else.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1388875]Help me out here guys.

2 very depressing viwes of Bangkok, Thailand. LOL. Ballgame is nowhere near over fellas! What happened to thes e 2 guys is that BKK has passed them by.

A sports ex. A football coach who still stands by his wing t formation in USA football. Football is no longer a running game yet the guy laments why he isn't having any fun running up the middle. LOL.[/QUOTE]Once again for the hard of hearing, you can lots of fun in Bangkok and you can have sex with lots of girls, no one is saying you can't, but if you have been coming here for twenty years and have not seen major changes in the sex industry of this country then you clearly are not very observant or as I said before you can't see the forest because you have your face buried between the legs of some Issan lass. And that is a fine place for one's face to be. There are obvious factors at work and there are obvious trends taking place. They are generally not to our benefit. We have seen this take place in lots of countries that have moved up the economic ladder. It's happening here. But it may be years before it hits home. We may all be dead by the time it arrives. But it is coming and to deny it is just to ignore the world around you. That is all I am saying. And your football analogy is really silly. Without a good running game it's hard to have a great passing game.

[QUOTE=Global Surfer; 1389293]I am planning to visit for a couple of days. Could any senior member recommend a tall gg that can offer GFE ST / LT from NEP or neighbouring areas?

Thanks[/QUOTE]There might be a few tens of girls as such available. The fun of BKK is also the "hunting", the "search".

Go out, visit the palces and select.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1389374]There are obvious factors at work and there are obvious trends taking place. They are generally not to our benefit.[/QUOTE]No doubt that things have changed a bit, but I would not say the sky is falling. Maybe the fact that you have aged has something to do with it as well. As a 40 year old Black guy who likes hip-hop music and discos I would say the trends are benefiting me like a mf. When I can go to the disco in Pattaya and get a FL for 1000 baht all night and have to put her out the next day, I don't see anything wrong with that. The other night I was chatting up a star and she said,"I know you live here and you know everything, but I need 2000 baht." I said well here is my number and you are welcomed to call when you come to your senses. But until then good luck to you.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1389352]I've seen this type you describe in youtube videos of Angeles City bars.[/QUOTE]He's looking for sweet innocent cute girl next model types. Given its not exactly a magnet for ultra hot women, its well known in AC that the clubs routinely employ "cherries", and they may or may not be identifiable ahead of time, but they tend to be young and very cute, and they stay in the club. The nominal story is that they are virgins and therefore don't barfine, but in reality I think they're used to spice up the lineups. Maybe they hang until a super roller every few months show up and makes an offer they can't refuse. Seems to be a mystery of sorts.

At 2:45 note the tall, slender, innocent looking cutie walking on. She is probably a cherry. One never knows and maybe 1000 mongers have done her already, but cherries can throw off those vidos a bit.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djDqKhCtzGw[/url]

[QUOTE=Harold444;1389401]I m staying one month smack dab in the middle of nana in an ok non upscale non name brand hotel for 15, 000.[/QUOTE]Central location? One whole month? 15, 000 baht? Are you sure that's not the hostel where if you actually survive the relentless all night mosquito attacks, they give you a free hug in the morning?

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1389390]No doubt that things have changed a bit, but I would not say the sky is falling. Maybe the fact that you have aged has something to do with it as well. As a 40 year old Black guy who likes hip-hop music and discos I would say the trends are benefiting me like a mf. When I can go to the disco in Pattaya and get a FL for 1000 baht all night and have to put her out the next day, I don't see anything wrong with that. The other night I was chatting up a star and she said,"I know you live here and you know everything, but I need 2000 baht." I said well here is my number and you are welcomed to call when you come to your senses. But until then good luck to you.[/QUOTE]I agree with you a great deal. A lack in go go quality, mp quality and so on would not affect me one bit as ibcater mostly freelancemaket. I can not tell from 20 years ago but from the last 5 or so and in my view the quality of girls hitting freelancejoints (disco, nightclubs) have not decreased. I think sometimes when I get back home. Wow this was greater than ever evrytime I come back to my gf back home in Norway.

But ofcourse I would never settled down in a banana republic (read definition) as Thailand so I get only to view this in my 10 to 15 annual trips to BKK and on occaition a day here and there in Patts.

Aibitol and his demand for highclass stunning pussy is well in reach but to make it easy for him self hit the regular upscale thaiclubs. I take for granted you are well groomed and dressed and havendecent looks and probably not overaged (no offence).

I can simply not get it people coming to LOS and don't have great time (once again I leave bargirls, go go girls and mp girls out bcs I have no clue). Only regular girls I meet through normal mechanisms and freelance is my land of expertice (I must do atleast 100 per year or so I have no statistic). This market is way better than I e Manila as I find the lack of asses or well porpotioned asses in phils way behind a thaigirl who is working out. Yes pinays are in a way more friendly but I don't fuck friendliness. I love both places BKK / MNL.

And I can not see any problem even getting a japaneese lokalike girl (left line) in Thermae. Maby the fellow mongerer went there to late. The only thing I ask a girl from here is to leave out the crying as maby I am from avarage to big sizeded dickwiced, still no need to cry. Moaning though I like, hehe.

I also come in good shape, just hit 40, make all into groome myself well and dress nicely. Meaning I don't walk out there hunting in nightclubs in shorts and flip flops but decent jeans, cool t-shirt and nice deodorant / eu de toilet smell. That helps I think. Prices also same now as for 5 years ago. Never had trouble getting ladies back home but as I love asian and south american (used to live in Caracas) I have one half pinay girl back home borned and raised in Norway though (and a few au pairs on the side) , hehe. I sometimes fuck up and don't get what I want as well.

Maby the girls simply have started going more or more on their own not wanting to have to answer to anyone (meaning freelancing) atleast not a demanding rude prick or mama / papasan and also work when they feel like it. Makes sence to me and I feel the freelancemarket is blooming bigtime in BKK.

[QUOTE=Aibolit;1389273]I respectfully disagree. First, NF in Moscow is for succers. Myself and many others find it far from model quality! Almost any top Moscow disco has model-quality girls. But again, what's model quality for one is non-quality for others. I think I defined in my previous posts what's model quality for me. I will repeat it here: young (18-23) , fresh-faced, very slim, gorgeous face and smile, GFE attitude. Doesn't matter how she's dressed, doesn't matter if she's not tall. A girl next door can be model quality for me. Playboy doesn't define that quality in my book. I think that based on the above-mentioned description. 3000 specimens in a meet market like AC can yield what I'm looking for. Of course, I'm also pursuing other angles to this chase. Angles that are a bit more sophisticated than Mr. Spizer's. (:Good luck to you! A[/QUOTE]

I can't afford spending $500 for P4P so it must be for suckers. That's not sound rationalization. Given I haven't been to Night Flight in many a years but the club I remember was full of model quality devs. And that's a known fact and from the periodic reviews I read still is. The girls of the former FSU were the closest thing that came to model quality in my years of mongering. For a while there almost every porn start was Eastern European. HAlf the models working the major fashion shows were of Eastern European heritage. Probably still a large percentage. Brazil is a close second.

I think the other problem is you definition is rather vague. Maybe its the language difference.

Model quality for most guys means a girl that could grace the pages of not Playboy, but the likes of Vogue, Elle, and the like. In trying to define the term I ran into this site:

[url]http://www.modelqualityintroductions.com/single-women-photos/[/url]

Of course it's in NYC. Probably where Rick Rock gets his girls when he's not on the front lines saving the world for mongers.

So in your definition: 18-23, you're not going to have a problem anywhere in SE Asia finding that.

"Fresh faced" What exactly does that mean? She just washed her face? I'm not being an ass but what does that mean? In model terms it's the latest greatest look but there's a whole industry that defines that. How does an average monger know what that means?

"Very slim" You will not have a problem finding that.

"Gorgeous face and smile" So who's definition of gorgeous? Mine? Yours? Frebbifan's? (not picking on you FF) I mean this is as old as mankind. For me Isabella Rosellini was the epitome of beauty. Some would pick Jessica Simpson, some Kim Kardashian, and some who knows who. (It's sad that google can correct Kim K's name spelling.) I will make one comment though, if you're looking for the perfect smile, stay away from AC. An orthodontist could make a killing there. I never picked a girl I didn't see smile first. My cock was in fear of the pain some of those mouths could inflict.

"GFE attitude" Not sure what this has to do with "model quality." I will go on record as saying that the correlation between looks and fun in the bedroom is non existant. My experience has been that the better they look the more likelihood that they will be lousy f*cks. But we still dream in the hopes of that beauty that will rock our world.

When I said this was a silly conversation I meant that it's to vague a criteria. It's like asking which is the best tasting food. I suggest you post some pictures of what your looking for and we can give a yay and or nay on weather it can be found in whatever location you're thinking of gong. Maybe head to NYC and try that service.

At the end of the day it's best to just go, experience, report. If it's to your liking. Repeat.

As I've just added too much to an already too much subject I'll add a picture for everyone to look at and maybe give the old guy an "atta boy."

This was the lovely that shared my bed last night. 5'7" 120, firm, very pretty (for my taste). The picture is hers. Not comfortable enough to ask her to let me take pictures yet. Very compliant. No money exchanged but that's what is being negotiated for the long term. Intelligent girl, very pleasant. Only complaint: A true blonde and she dyed her hair.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1389390]The other night I was chatting up a star and she said,"I know you live here and you know everything, but I need 2000 baht." I said well here is my number and you are welcomed to call when you come to your senses. But until then good luck to you.[/QUOTE]If she's a star, I will pay her demand of 2000 baht next September.

Sorry. I'm only there for a week.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1389401]I m staying one month smack dab in the middle of nana in an ok non upscale non name brand hotel for 15, 000.

You can't tell me prices are rising.

I didn't invent this but it really does apply to thailan. THAILAND has to much same same of everything. Too musch eyeglass shops, too many selling phones, too many selling fruit, too many hookers, the list goes on and on and on.

Too much supply prices go nowhere.[/QUOTE]Harold, The inflation rate in Thailand has been high for a few years now. Let's do the beer comparison. 80. 90 baht in 2000, with 100 baht the max. Now you are getting close to 200 in most gogos. 100% there man. I would say that most things here have gone up considerably. It it more than 100% more expensive to live in BKK then it was 10 years ago. You can't say that about the West. Thailand is booming. Property prices, again way up. In 2001 the nicest condos in Suk were going for 75k per sq mt. Now you are looking at 125 and up. You have to go quite far out to get 75k per sq these days.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1386699]I have been riding in vehicles since I was born 41 years ago and this is the first time I can remember that people are saying hey make sure the driver does not fall asleep.[/QUOTE]Last week (15 Feb) you said you were 41 years old, today you are 40. If you shared your age regressing technique on a board populated with old timers no one, including those FLs would bat an eye at paying whatever you fee you wanted.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1389390]Maybe the fact that you have aged has something to do with it as well. As a 40 year old Black guy who likes hip-hop music and discos I would say the trends are benefiting me like a mf.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1389522]Harold, The inflation rate in Thailand has been high for a few years now. Let's do the beer comparison. 80. 90 baht in 2000, with 100 baht the max. Now you are getting close to 200 in most gogos. 100% there man. I would say that most things here have gone up considerably. It it more than 100% more expensive to live in BKK then it was 10 years ago. You can't say that about the West. Thailand is booming. Property prices, again way up. In 2001 the nicest condos in Suk were going for 75k per sq mt. Now you are looking at 125 and up. You have to go quite far out to get 75k per sq these days.[/QUOTE]Inflation and I don't question that. But in my mongering I pay exactly the same at Grand President. 2186bht as I did 5yrs ago for deluxe suite. I pay still 3k bhat most likely atleast not higher for lt freelancegirl from one of the nighclubs ex spasso as was 5k allready 5yrs back. Taxi is still 230bht from airport, I pay still 400. Bts is still 20bht per trip. One beer in villa market still cost 35bht and so on. Even one btl of absolute in climax cost still 2500. Who wants to live in Thailand anyway?

But go go and bars I don't visit that much so no problem for me.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1389468]"Gorgeous face and smile" So who's definition of gorgeous? Mine? Yours?[/QUOTE]Your making it more complicated than it really is.

Except for outliers in surveys, (a comparatively small group of males) , there is a remarkable consistency in how beauty if defined not only within a culture, but even among different cultures throughout the world. It turns out the definition of "beauty" is not that subjective at all, but in fact quite objective, with researchers now able to predict ahead of time what MOST males would consider female beauty. In fairness to Aibitol he has made it very clear what's he looking for, and he did point out he wasn't looking for runway model types, but more girl next door types with the model look, with fresh faced obviously clear skin and youthful, and gorgeous meaning what most males would consider very very pretty, which in the end of course all relates to facial symmetry and so forth

Here's one candidate:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgHpwF-XjiU[/url]

[QUOTE=Run Mann;1389525]Last week (15 Feb) you said you were 41 years old, today you are 40. If you shared your age regressing technique on a board populated with old timers no one, including those FLs would bat an eye at paying whatever you fee you wanted.[/QUOTE]The technique? In Thailand I am 41. In my country I am 40, soon to be 41 in 2 months.

"Most people in Thailand considered their age to be the difference between the present year and the year of birth. They did not take into account whether the present year's birthday passed or not. This practice resulted in a considerable percentage of the population for whom stated age was 1 year older than completed age."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12343437

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1389542]Inflation and I don't question that. But in my mongering I pay exactly the same at Grand President. 2186bht as I did 5yrs ago for deluxe suite. I pay still 3k bhat most likely atleast not higher for lt freelancegirl from one of the nighclubs ex spasso as was 5k allready 5yrs back. Taxi is still 230bht from airport, I pay still 400. Bts is still 20bht per trip. One beer in villa market still cost 35bht and so on. Even one btl of absolute in climax cost still 2500. Who wants to live in Thailand anyway?

But go go and bars I don't visit that much so no problem for me.[/QUOTE]5 yrs ago I never paid more than 1k baht for a freelancer from Thermae, a disco, or any other place I would go. SW were 500 or 750. I have never been into Spasso's or the like, so I cannot comment there. Now, even the old skanks at the BG Soi 7 are asking for 1. 5 or 2k.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1389303]Hey, we all like good looking gals, no doubt, but to get snide, competitive, and overpay to stroke one's ego in a city full of women is silly. And sadly that is what I see with many of the "young bulls" (credit to Fruitninja for that one) that are coming to BKK.[/QUOTE]I am none of these 3 things, although one has to define "overpay" better. But I suggest that we close this discussion of "bulls", as it promotes condescention and is a waste of time. If people want to help the "young bull" to share their experience finding top-looking girls. I'll be grateful. Otherwise, I am fine without unsolicited and uninformed lecturing.

Best to you all. A

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1389549]The technique? In Thailand I am 41. In my country I am 40, soon to be 41 in 2 months.

"Most people in Thailand considered their age to be the difference between the present year and the year of birth. They did not take into account whether the present year's birthday passed or not. This practice resulted in a considerable percentage of the population for whom stated age was 1 year older than completed age."

[url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12343437[/url][/QUOTE]The difference here is; you're on a board with an audience of mostly (non-Thai) foreigners so this makes little sense unless you're Thai and you're writing one report on the USA board and another on a Thai populated board. But both of those reports were on the same forum to the same audience so there would be no need to change the numbers from one week to the next the way you did. These may be good numbers for the lottery though.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1389555]5 yrs ago I never paid more than 1k baht for a freelancer from Thermae, a disco, or any other place I would go. SW were 500 or 750. I have never been into Spasso's or the like, so I cannot comment there. Now, even the old skanks at the BG Soi 7 are asking for 1. 5 or 2k.[/QUOTE]
Well told you guys most likely. One of the Last nights in BKK I paid 1200 or 1600(dont remember) but we had so great chemistry so she was fine with that. But I started 5yrs ago to pay 3000 as that is litterarly not more than 8 beers in a bar in Norway and in Bangkok it is for all the pussy you can nail during quite some time. It is not like the 1hrs hookers in norway quoting like 20000bht, hehe. So I was spoiled.

What I realy meant the pricerange I pay bcs I never discuss price upfront but just most likely sticknit in their purse. I have even had an analspinner from Spasso for 4000bht, hehe.

I understand maby you guys living in Thailand worries more about inflation than I do bcs I simply not see it on my mongering started 5yrs ago or so.

I look forward to return bkk the 26 of feb hoping the inflation havent destroyed all thenfun, hehe..

[QUOTE=Western787; 1389546]Your making it more complicated than it really is.

Except for outliers in surveys, (a comparatively small group of males) , there is a remarkable consistency in how beauty if defined not only within a culture, but even among different cultures throughout the world. It turns out the definition of "beauty" is not that subjective at all, but in fact quite objective, with researchers now able to predict ahead of time what MOST males would consider female beauty. In fairness to Aibitol he has made it very clear what's he looking for, and he did point out he wasn't looking for runway model types, but more girl next door types with the model look, with fresh faced obviously clear skin and youthful, and gorgeous meaning what most males would consider very very pretty, which in the end of course all relates to facial symmetry and so forth

Here's one candidate:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgHpwF-XjiU[/url][/QUOTE]But I'm not sure it works in the streets. I think if it were that easy this discussion would have been over a long time ago when someone would have pointed him to a particular club and we would have all agreed. End of story.

I'm curious to see his reports.

In the mean time I need to get a car wash soon.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&v=Tzlb6tcbYI4&NR=1[/url]

[QUOTE=Aibolit;1389566]I am none of these 3 things, although one has to define "overpay" better.[/QUOTE]You just know it when you see it. The other night I was talking to a guy who plays in a band at a disco. He said when he first got here women were swarming him. Come to find out it was because word had gotten out that he was overpaying. He quickly remedied that.

[QUOTE=Western787; 1389546]Your making it more complicated than it really is.

Except for outliers in surveys, (a comparatively small group of males) , there is a remarkable consistency in how beauty if defined not only within a culture, but even among different cultures throughout the world. It turns out the definition of "beauty" is not that subjective at all, but in fact quite objective, with researchers now able to predict ahead of time what MOST males would consider female beauty. In fairness to Aibitol he has made it very clear what's he looking for, and he did point out he wasn't looking for runway model types, but more girl next door types with the model look, with fresh faced obviously clear skin and youthful, and gorgeous meaning what most males would consider very very pretty, which in the end of course all relates to facial symmetry and so forth

Here's one candidate:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgHpwF-XjiU[/url][/QUOTE]Thank you. We're on the same page.

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1389579]Well told you guys most likely. One of the Last nights in BKK I paid 1200 or 1600 (don't remember) but we had so great chemistry so she was fine with that. But I started 5yrs ago to pay 3000 as that is litterarly not more than 8 beers in a bar in Norway and in Bangkok it is for all the pussy you can nail during quite some time. It is not like the 1hrs hookers in norway quoting like 20000bht, hehe. So I was spoiled.

What I realy meant the pricerange I pay bcs I never discuss price upfront but just most likely sticknit in their purse. I have even had an analspinner from Spasso for 4000bht, hehe.

I understand maby you guys living in Thailand worries more about inflation than I do bcs I simply not see it on my mongering started 5yrs ago or so.

I look forward to return BKK the 26 of feb hoping the inflation haven't destroyed all thenfun, hehe.[/QUOTE]When are you staying until? I may need a wingman in April. (:

You can see a fresh faced girl better if you watch the video of the bike show. After it ends a group of videos come up. Watch the one of the car wash. You can tell the girl in white has never been exposed to sex of any kind. The real girl next door type.

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1389387]There might be a few tens of girls as such available. The fun of BKK is also the "hunting", the "search".

Go out, visit the places and select.[/QUOTE]Yep, another 'brilliant' offering from our most prolific poster! NEVER anything original but lots and lots of posts. In fact one of the contributing factors for NOT reading the fucking forum.

Really, can't frivolous questions be ignored or is it THAT essential for you to see your name up there every day? Follow your own advice! 'If you do not have actual information to contribute, then DO NOT post. '

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/member.php?174653-Bionicman&[/url]

[QUOTE=Run Mann;1389525]Last week (15 Feb) you said you were 41 years old, today you are 40. If you shared your age regressing technique on a board populated with old timers no one, including those FLs would bat an eye at paying whatever you fee you wanted.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Run Mann;1389570]The difference here is; you're on a board with an audience of mostly (non-Thai) foreigners so this makes little sense unless you're Thai and you're writing one report on the USA board and another on a Thai populated board. But both of those reports were on the same forum to the same audience so there would be no need to change the numbers from one week to the next the way you did. These may be good numbers for the lottery though.[/QUOTE]
Do you think you could possibly think of something more trivial to complain about than whether Mr. E is 40 or 41 years old?

Do you really believe he's trying to deceive us?

Who gives a rat's ass?

[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1389744]Do you think you could possibly think of something more trivial to complain about than whether Mr. E is 40 or 41 years old?

Do you really believe he's trying to deceive us?

Who gives a rat's ass?[/QUOTE]Do you think you could possibly think of something more trivial to complain about? I made an observation not a complaint, if you don't like it, right back at you.

[QUOTE=Mackin;1389601]You can see a fresh faced girl better if you watch the video of the bike show. After it ends a group of videos come up. Watch the one of the car wash. You can tell the girl in white has never been exposed to sex of any kind. The real girl next door type.[/QUOTE]Yep, really want to see stunners? Go to the BKK Auto show and look at the pretties. Most of those girls are stunners.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1389769]Yep, really want to see stunners? Go to the BKK Auto show and look at the pretties. Most of those girls are stunners.[/QUOTE]Second that and they're not just friendly with the picture taking. Ask around. I bet a few wouldn't mind making some extra money. Funny that you'll see hordes of camera-wielding guys who act like they've never see a live girl before and, judging from appearances, many of them haven't. At least, not closer than 10 feet.

This is probably buried somewhere in this thread but I'd appreciate any recent intel. Are there any good MPs, clubs or FLs near the Suvarnabhumi Airport? I have an 11 hour layover unfortunately and will probably get a cheap hotel near there. Thanks for any replies (and of course D Cup sightings.

i have been at afterskool in soi cowboy a couple of days ago.

i arrived there about 7:45 pm and the street seemed to be already full of people, at least sitting at the open air bars.

i was mentally prepared to get stormed by many girls and i was resolved to just buy drinks for 2 girls at most and only if they looked cute enough (and send the rest of the girls off).

but when i got in no girls at all mobbed me. i was just asked to sit and oredered my drink.

there were about 7-8 girls in uniform. 2 on the small stage and another 4-5 sitting on other sofas. there also were a couple of girls with normal dresses talking with the only other 2 costumers at the counter.

the 2 girls on the stage were quite cute, same as another standing at the door. the others were not so good.

in the end i spent about 20 minutes there and no girl ever tried to approach me or even made eye contact (i tried that only with the 2 cute girls on stage). nothing was going on in the corner too.

so in the end i left at about 8:10 pm and then had a quick bj at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url].

maybe i arrived too early? the fun in public and the girls storming you only start going on only later in the night?

[QUOTE=D Cups;1389819]This is probably buried somewhere in this thread but I'd appreciate any recent intel. Are there any good MPs, clubs or FLs near the Suvarnabhumi Airport? I have an 11 hour layover unfortunately and will probably get a cheap hotel near there. Thanks for any replies (and of course D Cup sightings.[/QUOTE]Hi D Cups,

You sure do get around. Are there any forums on ISG you don't participate in?

A couple of months ago someone did mention a place fairly close to the airport. I forget the details.

11 hours is plenty of time to reach any destination in Bangkok and come back with time to spare. Instead of staying near the airport I'd take a cab or the rail link into town and go to the place of your choice. Or if you're set on resting up call one of the many massage parlors that do outcalls and have the girl come over to your hotel.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1389769]Yep, really want to see stunners? Go to the BKK Auto show and look at the pretties. Most of those girls are stunners.[/QUOTE]The regular car show models I would say are mostly "cute" with Aibitol's standards so extreme, he's really only referring to the top 10% of typical auto show models.

So assuming this model was born a woman, (using the HD 720p setting, the neck check, and very slight extra layer of fat on thighs and arms is supportive of a true female) then IMHO within the extreme classification "young, long leg, fresh faced, gorgeous, girl next door model types" this Bangkok Motor Show (Ducati) model certainly meets the standards.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOrUTBn1mGA[/url]

Then next, ask yourself: what would it take on a 10 to 14 day visit to Bangkok to actually have a dozen or so at this qualitative level? I would say for starters, it would require extraordinary resources.

Here's a nice sample from the same show http://www.paultan.org/2012/03/30/bangkok-motor-show-2012-the-ladies-say-hello/

[QUOTE=Western787; 1389923]The regular car show models I would say are mostly "cute" with Aibitol's standards so extreme, he's really only referring to the top 10% of typical auto show models.

So assuming this model was born a woman, (using the HD 720p setting, the neck check, and very slight extra layer of fat on thighs and arms is supportive of a true female) then IMHO within the extreme classification "young, long leg, fresh faced, gorgeous, girl next door model types" this Bangkok Motor Show (Ducati) model certainly meets the standards.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOrUTBn1mGA[/url]

Then next, ask yourself: what would it take on a 10 to 14 day visit to Bangkok to actually have a dozen or so at this qualitative level? I would say for starters, it would require extraordinary resources.

Here's a nice sample from the same show [url]http://www.paultan.org/2012/03/30/bangkok-motor-show-2012-the-ladies-say-hello/[/url][/QUOTE]She's definitely HOT but I'd want to see a birth certificate. .

I don't know, maybe I'm a Debbie Downer or a realist but it seems that he has a lot working against him.

1. Working girls tend not to be the top 10% of the beauties in the respective countries. Those are usually scooped up along the way.

2. If you do want the true model quality you're not going to find it in SC or Nana. You better get in touch with some Thai executive, IE: CEO and find out where he's getting talent.

3. Like you said "extraordinary resources" and I'm not talking just money. At best this sport is hit or miss, you can do a lot to minimize your misses but at the end of the day it can be a rough game. Thinking you're going to walk into town on your first outing and set the world on fire. Fat chance of that happening.

One last thing. For those that don't know snow. It sucks every other day except Christmas.

Thanks, Bart. Got your PM, too. I guest lecture in Vietnam and occasionally speak at other conferences worldwide so lucky for me someone else is usually paying the ticket.

[QUOTE=Bartchamdo; 1389880]Hi D Cups,

You sure do get around. Are there any forums on ISG you don't participate in?

A couple of months ago someone did mention a place fairly close to the airport. I forget the details.

11 hours is plenty of time to reach any destination in Bangkok and come back with time to spare. Instead of staying near the airport I'd take a cab or the rail link into town and go to the place of your choice. Or if you're set on resting up call one of the many massage parlors that do outcalls and have the girl come over to your hotel.[/QUOTE]

Respected gentlemen,

In preparation to my impending trip to Asia, I've hit the dating sites (I usually do it to secure semi-pro girl-next-door companions for my trips). I've been successful in generating multiple discussions with ladies from DIA, but almost all of them are from Manila. I can't seem to extract good BKK leads from DIA (I heard DIA is not very strong as far as BKK goes).

I wonder if there are equivalent free (or not free) sites that are specifically geared towards BKK. Many thanks in advance for the input!

A

[QUOTE=Aibolit; 1389992]Respected gentlemen,

In preparation to my impending trip to Asia, I've hit the dating sites (I usually do it to secure semi-pro girl-next-door companions for my trips). I've been successful in generating multiple discussions with ladies from DIA, but almost all of them are from Manila. I can't seem to extract good BKK leads from DIA (I heard DIA is not very strong as far as BKK goes).

I wonder if there are equivalent free (or not free) sites that are specifically geared towards BKK. Many thanks in advance for the input!

A[/QUOTE]Try these:

[url]http://www.thailovelinks.com[/url]

[url]http://www.thaifriendly.com[/url]

[QUOTE=Western787; 1389430]He's looking for sweet innocent cute girl next model types. Given its not exactly a magnet for ultra hot women, its well known in AC that the clubs routinely employ "cherries", and they may or may not be identifiable ahead of time, but they tend to be young and very cute, and they stay in the club. The nominal story is that they are virgins and therefore don't barfine, but in reality I think they're used to spice up the lineups. Maybe they hang until a super roller every few months show up and makes an offer they can't refuse. Seems to be a mystery of sorts.

At 2:45 note the tall, slender, innocent looking cutie walking on. She is probably a cherry. One never knows and maybe 1000 mongers have done her already, but cherries can throw off those vidos a bit.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djDqKhCtzGw[/url][/QUOTE]I've read reports of some "cherry" girls going with customers and being willing to do BBBJs & DFK or anything but "sex". I don't recall that the punters had to pay more than the normal EWR takeout price in AC. Personally I wouldn't be averse to taking an alleged virgin.

Manila has a rep for being more expensive & having hotter girls. Either there or AC would be ideal for the sought after GFE, especially if speaking English is desired.

Maybe this is the type he's looking for, or would she be too fat? :

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPVG1NVojwk[/url]

[QUOTE=FruitNinja; 1389949]Working girls tend not to be the top 10% of the beauties in the respective countries. Those are usually scooped up along the way.[/QUOTE]True, most ultra hotties are off market to begin with.

One would have to draw from the semi pro market to get such fresh faced upper stratosphere beauties in quantity, no doubt requiring suitcases full of cash as well as very good contacts. Perhaps business guys who pass around their sponsored girls.

Anyone in the trade show model business would probably know in a second, the gender status of this model. Like I've heard others suggesting, I get the feeling the car manufacturers want actual women at these shows, among other reasons so as to not to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off their Japanese customers, for example guys who fly in from Tokyo just to photograph the models at these shows.

Very true boss, very true.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1389331]You guys do realize the avg sex tourist is not a young guy! They just don't have the funds to pull it off. The girls know it. Anecdotal evidence suggest I'm right. LOL. I've asked many a time girls at my favorite place do they get a lot of customers in the 20-30- age bracket-answer always is NO! Past 40 many many customers.

Same in rainbows- look at the farangs mostly older bald, fat, smelly guys. I'm exaggerating. Even the ippuns look like they been around the block a few times. Although I do see quite a few who look like 30 ish tupes.

When I was 30 no way could I afford Thailand.

Young guys have fun chasing girls whereever they live-they don't need Thailand.[/QUOTE]

Had a touch down at 6. 30 PM after gruesome 32 hours travel time not including a bloody hellish 7 hours in the plane on the runway. Was grumpy and sleepless.

Had called one of previous friendly FL ahead of time and asked her to arrive in the hotel at 9 PM sharp which turned out to be 10. 15 for her. Hmmmm. Anyways had two rounds with her in two hours and sent her home even though she repeatedly offered to stay till morning. Paid her 2k even though it should have been 1k. Somehow out of this world first encounter does not turn out to be over the top 2nd rendez vous in this line.

Caught some sleep and went out to check out bewer garden around 11 AM. It was mostly empty except 2/3 farangs and 8/10 girls, all below 3 on my scale. Went to Thermae but they were dead. Not even open yet.

Went over to grace hotel lobby around 1 PM. Few uzbekis, most seemed well over the hill and of course well fed, a bit too well fed if you ask me. Did not talk to anyone and decided to try massage parlours. Hit snow white and chose Ploy whose report I have submitted already as Report 1.

[QUOTE=Run Mann; 1390001]Try these:

[url]http://www.thailovelinks.com[/url]

[url]http://www.thaifriendly.com[/url][/QUOTE]Thank you for the websites! Unlike DIA, they are not free and I try not to use my CC for such sites for the reason of discretion. (: I guess I should assume DIA is unique in its free features and ease of use. Thanks again! A

Not entirely correct. TLL one does have to join to be able to message another. But the other, thaifriendly, will allow you to message for free. You are limited to one per each 10 minutes. There is another.

[url]www.tagged.com[/url]

That has worked for me.

[QUOTE=Aibolit;1390210]Thank you for the websites! Unlike DIA, they are not free and I try not to use my CC for such sites for the reason of discretion. (: I guess I should assume DIA is unique in its free features and ease of use. Thanks again! A[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Western787; 1390192]True, most ultra hotties are off market to begin with.

One would have to draw from the semi pro market to get such fresh faced upper stratosphere beauties in quantity, no doubt requiring suitcases full of cash as well as very good contacts. Perhaps business guys who pass around their sponsored girls.

Anyone in the trade show model business would probably know in a second, the gender status of this model. Like I've heard others suggesting, I get the feeling the car manufacturers want actual women at these shows, among other reasons so as to not to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off their Japanese customers, for example guys who fly in from Tokyo just to photograph the models at these shows.[/QUOTE]The ultra hotties are with wealthy Thai men.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1390227]The ultra hotties are with wealthy Thai men.[/QUOTE]Nah, they are in my hotel bedroom, from Thermae, NPL, etc, for $30 to $60.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1390144]I've read reports of some "cherry" girls going with customers and being willing to do BBBJs & DFK or anything but "sex". I don't recall that the punters had to pay more than the normal EWR takeout price in AC. Personally I wouldn't be averse to taking an alleged virgin.

Manila has a rep for being more expensive & having hotter girls. Either there or AC would be ideal for the sought after GFE, especially if speaking English is desired.

Maybe this is the type he's looking for, or would she be too fat? :

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPVG1NVojwk[/url][/QUOTE]My impression back in 2010 was that these "cherries" were most likely there mostly for window dressing. They probably took the job only because they didn't have to bar fine out. I believe Mr Enternational ran into one recently over there.

I forgot that Aibolit also has a GFE requisite also, and wants then "passionate" His list of criteria is probably similar to an Arab Oil Sheik putting together a personal harem to entertain him for couple of weeks in Bangkok.

Its makes for a great hypothetical though: what would it take baht wise for an average monger to arrange sessions with 10 to 12 ultra hot, (18 to 23 year old) young, fresh face, gorgeous GFE willing girls over a 2 week stay? I believe the escort agencies have unadvertised girls that only work special prices for clients willing to pay way over market rates, girls who limit their escorting to these rare situations, really semi pros. College girls and or actual trade show models and forth. Also I've heard of (actual working) models (I think fashion models) with asking prices of 30, 000 bahts per session, and that's just like 4 hours or something. So I would guess 10 to 12 girls might therefore perhaps be able to be done for 300, 000 baht or so, lot of bucks but probably much cheaper though than what it would cost in the USA. But adding in this "fresh faced" criteria, prices could be even higher.

I will be in Bangkok in a few weeks and plan to spend a few nights exploring the delights of Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy. I have found lots of useful reports on this thread (thanks to those who have contributed) but here's my question:

Which in your opinion are the 'must visit' bars in Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy?

I've gone back 100 pages and it seems that Baccara is the best on Soi Cowboy, with Shark, Tilac and Dollhouse not far behind. In Nana Plaza it seems that Rainbow 4 is still the top dog (as it was on my last BKK visit four years ago) although I've heard good things about Mandarin and Billboard. I like young pretty girls with good attitudes. Like everyone I don't like being hassled for lady drinks every two minutes and I'm not particularly fussed about seeing shows.

Any tips would be appreciated. I will post a lengthy diary (with photos) when I return.

Lance

[QUOTE=Jgm005; 1390221]Not entirely correct. TLL one does have to join to be able to message another. But the other, thaifriendly, will allow you to message for free. You are limited to one per each 10 minutes. There is another.

[url]www.tagged.com[/url]

That has worked for me.[/QUOTE]Thank you. Will try that!

Friends,

Coming to the point I will be traveling to Bangkok this coming weekend will be there for four nites, the help I need is to get quality info about the G. CLUBS of Bangkok the best one to visit and the time one should visit there and the must visit ones.

I have heard from friends that the these clubs are the best places to find the best thai beauties so would love to explore them. Even some info about the Gogos are welcome where to go to get the best ST / LT options, to cut it short friends need your help guys just help me out to get myself entertained to the max.

Would definitely wait for best commands.

Best Regards,

Kol King

Hi,

I'm planning my first trip to Bangkok and have no idea of the cost there.

1) Can somebody tell me what should be my budget per day in baht for a decent mongering outing? Is 3000 baht enough for a day for mongering?

2) How much will I need to spend for food?

3) I am planning to stay in Ibis Nana Hotel. My main criteria for stay are 1) reliable internet connection 2) Closeness to Nana plaza and 3) GF friendliness in that order. If anybody has better suggestion its always welcome. I would anyway like to save on hotel costs so that I can spend that money on mongering.

I know the questions are very basic, and may sound foolish even, for Bangkok regulars but for new comers like me it would be very helpful. .

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Kolkata King;1390470]Would definitely wait for best commands.[/QUOTE]You may be waiting for a long time. You may be a King but we aren't servants. There is plenty of info in this thread. Read it and then ask for specific supplemental information.

[QUOTE=Kolkata King; 1390470]Friends,

Coming to the point I will be traveling to Bangkok this coming weekend will be there for four nites, the help I need is to get quality info about the G. CLUBS of Bangkok the best one to visit and the time one should visit there and the must visit ones.

I have heard from friends that the these clubs are the best places to find the best thai beauties so would love to explore them. Even some info about the Gogos are welcome where to go to get the best ST / LT options, to cut it short friends need your help guys just help me out to get myself entertained to the max.

Would definitely wait for best commands.

Best Regards,

Kol King[/QUOTE]Try Cascade or Obsession in Nana Plaza. For more information please read top few pages

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1390336]Nah, they are in my hotel bedroom, from Thermae, NPL, etc, for $30 to $60.[/QUOTE]I have seen perhaps one ultra hottie in Thermae in my 13 years here. Never seen one in NPL.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1390194]To the guy whose friend was berated, called names, whatever by number 52 at Rainbow 4. All I can say is hahahaha! I confirmed last night she was the one I was thinking about when I read your version of what transpired.

When you described what happened I could only think of one girl-number 52-I've seen her twice yelling at guys in an aggressive manner. Don't know what conversations are usually about but she does go off. Albeit infrequently.

She just looks nasty and I never see her walk out the door with a barfine.

If you are, how shall I say this, a bit overweight, farangish, smell a bit, balding, not a hansum devil she will be on you like fly on shit![/QUOTE]Amazing that guys allow a prostitute to treat them like that. Also amazing that the bar allows her to work there. Just shows the growing contempt Thais have for foreigners.

[QUOTE=Global Surfer;1390650]Try Cascade or Obsession in Nana Plaza. For more information please read top few pages[/QUOTE]Is this supposed to be a joke? Are you a comedian now? What is wrong with people like you?

Didn't your parents teach you that if you don't have anything to say, then keep your mouth shut?

To the poor guy who you replied to, please note that Cascade or Obsession in Nana Plaza are hangouts for trannies.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1390667]I have seen perhaps one ultra hottie in Thermae in my 13 years here. Never seen one in NPL.[/QUOTE]Show me some "ultra hotties" on youtube.

Preferably Thai or Asian, but any nationality will do.

[QUOTE=Blue Guy; 1390550]Hi,

I'm planning my first trip to Bangkok and have no idea of the cost there.

1) Can somebody tell me what should be my budget per day in baht for a decent mongering outing? Is 3000 baht enough for a day for mongering?

2) How much will I need to spend for food?

3) I am planning to stay in Ibis Nana Hotel. My main criteria for stay are 1) reliable internet connection 2) Closeness to Nana plaza and 3) GF friendliness in that order. If anybody has better suggestion its always welcome. I would anyway like to save on hotel costs so that I can spend that money on mongering.

I know the questions are very basic, and may sound foolish even, for Bangkok regulars but for new comers like me it would be very helpful. .

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Bangkok has many options and a price range to fit almost every wallet. It would help if you provided more details. What research have you done? What are you looking at? There are mongers who spend 2, 000 baht a day and some who spend 20, 000 baht a day. I hope this guide helps, and my prices could be a few years outdated, so others can correct me if inflation has made my information obsolete. These are also generalizations. Bottom line, the 3, 000 baht mongering budget will limit what you can do or the number of times or venues you can try. Every 'adventure' will cost you 2, 000 baht on average. Some less and some more.

I end up spending 10,000 baht or more per day (at least one oily, a soapy or freelancer, and a go go bar or club). I play pool, shop, or do other things to keep myself entertained in between. You can have fun for 4,000 baht all in (girls, food, other, but excluding the hotel) , but it does limit you in different ways. You will most likely be going the freelancer or Oily massage route or you will be blowing your budget at one stop.

Hotels.

Be sure the hotel you pick is guest friendly, or you could be paying a 'joiner fee', which is another 500 baht out of your pocket.

Budget (1,500 to 2,500 baht) – Nana, CityPoint, On8, Citadines, Admiral Suites, etc.
Mid Range (2,500 to 4,000 baht) – Majestic Suites, Dynasty Grande, S15, Dream, Livingstone's, etc.
Luxury (4,000 baht and up) – Adelphi Suites, JW Marriott, Four Seasons, Mandarin Oriental, The Peninsula, etc.

Bangkok Hotel Reviews.

Trip Advisor.
[url]http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotels-g293916-Bangkok-Hotels.html[/url]

Agoda.
[url]http://www.agoda.com/asia/thailand/bangkok.html?type=1&site_id=1410012&url=http://www.Agoda.com/asia/thailand/bangkok.html&tag=3D5B9E75-4B8C-41EC-B3B9-EB7EEF286B3E&gclid=CJCA8d7_zbUCFel7QgodRyUA9A&cklg=1[/url]

ISG Hotel Reviews.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1029-Bangkok-Hotels[/url]


Girls - Freelancers.
Low (500 to 1,000 baht)
Mid (1,000 to 2,000 baht)
High (2,000 baht and up)

Where – Beer Garden, Thermae, Nana Car Park, Beer Bars, Clubs, etc.


Girls – Oily Massage.
1 hour – 400 baht for massage + 1,000 to 2,000 baht to the girl for extras. Some have flat rates, for example 2,000 baht all inclusive.

Where – Tulip, Mango, Addict, EZ, Angel, etc.


Girls – Nuru Massage.
Starts as low as 770 baht (excluding the tip) , but these are generally not full service establishments, and usually only provide the Nuru massage, HJ, or covered BJ. Examples would be Akane on Soi 33 (the larger of their two locations) or Dr. BJ's Nuru Massage. You will end up spending 1, 500 to 2, 000 baht or more, including the girls tip.

Akane Fashion Massage link.
[url]http://akane-corp.com/store/[/url]

Dr. BJ's Nuru massage link.
[url]http://nurumassagebangkok.com/prices.html[/url]


Girls – Soapy Massage.
Watch out for the farang surcharge, which can be 500 to 1, 000 baht, which is a premium over what Thai's and other Asians may be paying. These venues have the famous 'fish bowl' where the girls sit behind a glass to be chosen. There are girls outside of the fish bowl, the so called side line girls. Once you select the girl, you end up in a room, they wash you off in a tub, and then it's off to the races.

Fish Bowl – 2,300 to 2,800 baht + 500 to 1,000 baht tip for the girl. Total of 3,000 to 4,000 baht.
Sideline / Models – 3,500 to 6,000 baht + 1,000 to 2,000 baht to the girl.

You could end up spending 2,800 to 8,000 baht, depending on the girl. There are still good options at the low end of the spending scale.

Venues – Poseidon, Nataree, Annie's, Caesar's, and Utopia have their followings.

Nataree article.
[url]http://www.bigmangobar.com/main/2012/01/12/my-1st-trip-to-nataree-by-louie/[/url]


Girls – Go Go Bars.
You must pay the barfine of 500 to 600 baht or more, then negotiate with the girl for ST (short time) or LT (long time). Some girls could be off limits or taken only after a certain time, such as the bar closing. Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy, and Patpong are the prime examples of a cluster of Go-Go bars. The girls price can range from 1,000 baht to 4,000 baht, depending on the girl and how busy it is. The drinks for you and the girl can also add up.

BKK 2night Bar fines article.
[url]http://bangkoktonite.com/tips/barfines.shtml[/url]

Dave the Rave's Nana Plaza review.
[url]www.davetheravebangkok.com/nana-plaza-review-2-2/[/url]

Dave the Rave's Soi Cowboy review.
[url]http://www.davetheravebangkok.com/soi-cowboy-review/[/url]


Girls – Other Venues.
Check out the beer bars, streets near the bars and go go's, near food stands, etc. BJ Bars, if you are into that type of thing. The G-Clubs, Escort Agencies, Soi 33 bars (what's left) , and Taniya bars would be expensive options. There is also Rin's famous ball massage. She is at Hana massage on Soi 22. She has been around many years, so she is not young.


G-Club Links.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A4qzFR71Oo[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfbSeC8JbKQ[/url]


Food.
Food is reasonably priced in BKK, and there are many options. Prices can range from 100 to 400 baht for a meal, and more if you are into the fine dining options.

Bangkok's Best 15 Street Food Stalls.
[url]http://bk.asia-city.com/restaurants/article/what-experts-eat[/url]

Other.
Plan on spending another 500 to 1,000 baht a day on other things. Water, Taxi's, Sky Train, internet, and other things you may need throughout the day.

The BTS has an all-day pass, which should save on Taxi fare. Taxi fares are reasonable in BKK, but can add up if you are on a tight budget.

BTS All Day Pass – 130 baht.
[url]http://www.bts.co.th/customer/en/01-ticketing-type-one-day-pass.aspx[/url]

Interesting Links.

Unhappy Ending.
[url]http://www.neverendingfootsteps.com/2012/02/22/violated-in-bangkok-my-unhappy-ending/[/url]

Stickman Weekly Archives.
[url]http://www.stickmanweekly.com/[/url]

ISG Reports of Distinction.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2009-Links-to-Reports-of-Distinction[/url]

I am sure your first trip to the LOS will be a memorable one.

AT2

[QUOTE=Kolkata King; 1390470]Friends,

Coming to the point I will be traveling to Bangkok this coming weekend will be there for four nites, the help I need is to get quality info about the G. CLUBS of Bangkok the best one to visit and the time one should visit there and the must visit ones.

I have heard from friends that the these clubs are the best places to find the best thai beauties so would love to explore them. Even some info about the Gogos are welcome where to go to get the best ST / LT options, to cut it short friends need your help guys just help me out to get myself entertained to the max.

Would definitely wait for best commands.

Best Regards,

Kol King[/QUOTE]I would suggest St. Moritz, as a great option, assuming they are still open. These places come and go, and they have or had longevity. They require a membership, but I got by explaining that I was checking out all the G-Clubs and would make a decision later. Drinks are more expensive for non-members. It is conveniently located.

[url]http://www.stmoritzbangkok.com/gallery.php[/url]

AT2

[QUOTE=Tiradentes;1390672]To the poor guy who you replied to, please note that Cascade or Obsession in Nana Plaza are hangouts for trannies.[/QUOTE]Well. At least next time the guy will RTFF instead of putting the usual questions.

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2; 1390696]Bangkok has many options and a price range to fit almost every wallet. It would help if you provided more details. What research have you done? What are you looking at? There are mongers who spend 2, 000 baht a day and some who spend 20, 000 baht a day. I hope this guide helps,

I am sure your first trip to the LOS will be a memorable one.

AT2[/QUOTE]Traveling 2,

That was a very nice response and report. I've been to BKK a few times and found it very informative and helpful. To quote another poster.

Only good energy!

Sky

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2; 1390696]Bangkok has many options and a price range to fit almost every wallet.

AT2[/QUOTE]I linked your contribution in the RoD

For mongers who arrive in LOS after midnight, if you are like me, I enjoy a good massage after a long flight. Most massage parlors in BKK close by midnight. Sabai Sabai has a 24/7 incall outcall service. I will swing by their location, pick a girl I like, and do take out. Get a great oil massage, and end with a HJ or full service. One of my most memorable experiences was with a girl from Sabai Sabai. Very exotic look, great massage and on the flip her riding me in a very sexy way. I don't believe all the girls will do full service, and in call it's limited to a hj finish. Use the outcall if you want to test the fs option, and see if the girl is willing.

[url]http://www.sabaisabaimassage.com/[/url]

AT2

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1390736]I linked your contribution in the RoD[/QUOTE]Thanks!

AT2

[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot; 1390414]I will be in Bangkok in a few weeks and plan to spend a few nights exploring the delights of Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy. I have found lots of useful reports on this thread (thanks to those who have contributed) but here's my question:

Which in your opinion are the 'must visit' bars in Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy?

I've gone back 100 pages and it seems that Baccara is the best on Soi Cowboy, with Shark, Tilac and Dollhouse not far behind. In Nana Plaza it seems that Rainbow 4 is still the top dog (as it was on my last BKK visit four years ago) although I've heard good things about Mandarin and Billboard. I like young pretty girls with good attitudes. Like everyone I don't like being hassled for lady drinks every two minutes and I'm not particularly fussed about seeing shows.

Any tips would be appreciated. I will post a lengthy diary (with photos) when I return.

Lance[/QUOTE]I can't really speak to Soi Cowboy. I just don't like the place. It's a weird combination of small friendly bars with only a handful or two of girls, what are termed "The Arab Bars" which are a bunch of glitzy high priced gogos with lots of Coyote girls who do their best to get you to buy them expensive Lady drinks before they give you the bad news that you can't barfine them and then the bars you mention that have been around a while and have not yet been scooped up by The Arab. Getting a list of The Arab bars to avoid is probably more important than knowing where to go. Baccarra by most accounts is the best but at least on the night I went a couple weeks ago it was full of surgically enhanced females.

Nana Plaza for me is much more accessible though perhaps too many Lady Boy bars for comfort but they are pretty obvious. Rainbow 4 has a lot of girls but it can be almost too much. 2 stages packed with girls, not enough seating and droves of guys. You feel like you are at a cattle auction (not that I have even been to a cattle auction). I think Billboard is the best these days. Lots of places to sit. Some very nice looking girls of different sizes, a jacuzi with some real cuties in it and a helpful staff. There are two Mandarin bars. One on the second floor. Avoid it in general and one right off to the side of it in which you have to climb some steep stairs. You may want to be sober for those stairs. This one can have some very nice looking girls at times and more than any bar I have been in Nana can be very hands on. It is kind of dark and smokey. The girls and Mamasan's can be too aggressive but if you see a girl you like and have her come over chances are she will be quite friendly. The other bar you don't mention that I think is worth a visit is Mercury. Right next to the downstairs Mandarin Bar. Some lovely girls in there but again not nearly enough seating. And then gogos like the 2 Eroticas, Rainbow 1 & 3, Las Vegas and probably most of the others will have at least 2-3 girls of note. Gogos are ever shifting landscapes. One night you can go into one and you feel like you have landed in Paradise and you go back two nights later and wonder if you had been drunk on your previous visit because you don't see anything you like. It's all in timing.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1390784]Gogos are ever shifting landscapes. One night you can go into one and you feel like you have landed in Paradise and you go back two nights later and wonder if you had been drunk on your previous visit because you don't see anything you like. It's all in timing.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your response (and AsiaTraveler2). When I go on a 'gogo crawl' I like to check out half a dozen bars in one night and then return to my favourite at about 10/11pm where hopefully my favourite girl is still there (last year in Angeles, Philippines, I must have visited 30 bars in a week). The same bars get mentioned a lot on this thread so it's good to hear new recommendations. I will definitely try Mercury and Billboard in addition to Rainbow4, Baccara etc. I will also use the tried and trusted method of walking around and seeing which 'hello girls' take my fancy.

You mentioned timing in your reply. If I'm in 'early bird' mode (for example trying to bar-fine a girl I wasn't able to speak to the night before) I assume the time to arrive is 7pm? Also what time do the majority close? It was 2am on my last visit but I read one report in which someone said that some of the bars stay open until 2. 30am. It's quite useful to know in case I want a couple of 'short times' in one night.

Thanks for the excellent post.

I was half expecting a knee jerk reaction as meted out to Kolkata King's query but thankfully its not.

With your report its clear that 3000 baht may not be enough.

I now think it would be better if I stay in Marriott since being a gold member I will have free breakfast and internet and I can use some of my points for few free days there.

I see many people crib that people ask question without reading FRs, I read almost 15 pages of different threads but most posts are wasted by shouting at each other and really useful info is hard to come by.

For people who also have their business obligations and can't spend whole day on ISG it becomes almost impractical to read all the FRs.

I hope the people who crib will be more understanding to new comers like us hence forth.

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2; 1390696]Bangkok has many options and a price range to fit almost every wallet.

I am sure your first trip to the LOS will be a memorable one.

AT2[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Blue Guy;1390961]I now think it would be better if I stay in Marriott since being a gold member I will have free breakfast and internet and I can use some of my points for few free days there.[/QUOTE]It is relative. I am gold member of Marriott, but do not go to the JWM in Soi2, for instance as it is not worth, even if breakfast is included and even if you get points. If you can score some nights redeeming you rpoints it make sense as the total stay will cost you much less.

But seen the 4+ star hotel prices in BKK you get a similar quality for at least 30/40% lower price. I am not talking about ratholes sa I am not a cheap charlie checling the 100's bahts

AT. Excellent report! I am among those that think that if you don't want to answer the question. Don't do it. Otherwise. Be kind.

A quick question for everyone here. If I like a girl from high-end Soapies, Oilies or G-clubs. What is advisable to do to meet her at my hotel later on? I understand that atthese places one can't bar-fine the girl, so I wonder what are the best mechnisms to spend some quality time with her later.

Any personal experiences on this matter are welcome! Thanks in advance. A

[QUOTE=Aibolit; 1391009]AT. Excellent report! I am among those that think that if you don't want to answer the question. Don't do it. Otherwise. Be kind.

A quick question for everyone here. If I like a girl from high-end Soapies, Oilies or G-clubs. What is advisable to do to meet her at my hotel later on? I understand that atthese places one can't bar-fine the girl, so I wonder what are the best mechnisms to spend some quality time with her later.

Any personal experiences on this matter are welcome! Thanks in advance. A[/QUOTE]

In all three venues, you will be with the girl one on one. In the Soapies and Oily's, you will be in a private room. At the G-Clubs, you will be seated with the girl. Just ask for their number. In a G-Club, be discrete, since you are in the open. You do not want to get the girl in trouble. If you get their number, you're in. If not, you know to move on. In the old days I kept a pen and paper in my pants pocket. Now you can just use your smart phone. The only problem would be in places like Akane, where they put your belongings in a locker.

AT2

[QUOTE=Aibolit; 1391009]AT. Excellent report! I am among those that think that if you don't want to answer the question. Don't do it. Otherwise. Be kind.

Any personal experiences on this matter are welcome! Thanks in advance. A[/QUOTE]Problem is that there is people lazy and not ready to take the needed steps.

Will you beet that when this forum will move to the next page some guy will show up and put the same questions answered as a whole and brosdly by AT2?

Those guys also show a lack of respect for people posting info just a few pages below

[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot; 1390941]Thanks for your response (and AsiaTraveler2). When I go on a 'gogo crawl' I like to check out half a dozen bars in one night and then return to my favourite at about 10/11pm where hopefully my favourite girl is still there (last year in Angeles, Philippines, I must have visited 30 bars in a week). The same bars get mentioned a lot on this thread so it's good to hear new recommendations. I will definitely try Mercury and Billboard in addition to Rainbow4, Baccara etc. I will also use the tried and trusted method of walking around and seeing which 'hello girls' take my fancy.

You mentioned timing in your reply. If I'm in 'early bird' mode (for example trying to bar-fine a girl I wasn't able to speak to the night before) I assume the time to arrive is 7pm? Also what time do the majority close? It was 2am on my last visit but I read one report in which someone said that some of the bars stay open until 2. 30am. It's quite useful to know in case I want a couple of 'short times' in one night.[/QUOTE]

I like to do the "gogo crawl" too. Even the small gogo's have the occasional surprise, and you avoid the crowds. I like Rainbow4 and Baccara for what they are. I have taken my share of girls from those gogo's. I will be checking out Billboard too. I have not been in that bar. The start and closing times have changed over the many years. I remember Nana closing at midnight, after one crack down period maybe 5 or more years ago. I hear the Nana and Soi Cowboy bars are now staying open till 2am to 2:30am. 7pm would be early. I do not usually hit the gogo's till later. I have passed on a few girls before, since it was "too early" and I wanted to window shop and enjoy a few beers. I have also kicked myself later, on some of those decisions. I think one of the locals need to chime in to confirm. I was an annual visitor for many years, but I will be returning soon after a few years away, and some things have changed. I read somewhere that Nana and Soi Cowboy are under two different police districts, which determines the enforcement of what the bars can do and what time they need to close. Politics always has a way of creeping into our lives.

AT2

[QUOTE=Aibolit;1391009]A quick question for everyone here. If I like a girl from high-end Soapies, Oilies or G-clubs. What is advisable to do to meet her at my hotel later on? I understand that atthese places one can't bar-fine the girl, so I wonder what are the best mechnisms to spend some quality time with her later.[/QUOTE]The same rule applies whether you meet a girl you like in a massage parlour or take a girl from one of the gogo bars. If you like her, get her cellphone number. The girls are always willing to hand over their number and then it's easy to arrange day-time meets. Girls are eager to do it becase it means more money for them without the bar / MP getting their cut and it also means cheaper prices for you too. However, the management won't approve of their girls freelancing, so discretion is key. Only get their number when you are 1-to-1 with the girl. Don't ask in front of management because it could get the girl in to trouble.

I have got the numbers of girls from massage parlours such as Nataree and Annies in Bangkok, Sayuri in Chiang Mai and Cristins in Phuket, then arranged to meet during the day at freelance prices. In fact I was so taken by a girl from another massage parlour, I asked her whether she could stay with me all night. She explained that she finished work at 11pm but all girls had to be back in their rooms by 2am. However, we met outside the MP at 11pm and she was accompanied by a man in a guards uniform. She suggested I slip him some baht and he would turn a blind eye to her not returning for curfew and she spent the night with me.

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2;1391032]Even the small gogo's have the occasional surprise, and you avoid the crowds.[/QUOTE]I totally agree. For example on my last trip to Philippines I tried to visit every bar on Fields Avenue and although the massive gogo bars (I. E Atlantis) had some real honeys in amongst the 70 or 80 girls onstage, you could find equally pretty girls in the small, intimate bars for half of the price (3000 pesos v 1700 pesos). I love 'gogo crawls' because the thrill is in the chase and there are always gems to be found if you're patient. The secret is to try not to drink too much Singha otherwise it impairs judgment!

Any more recommendations of 'must visit' bars in Soi Cowboy / Nana Plaza?

Thanks to those who commented on my question about getting the girls from MPs to one's hotel.

As for bar crawling, here is a strategy that one of my friends shared with me. Hope it's helpful and any comments are welcome:

The strategy is as follows:

1. Don't sit in any bar. Just go in, say to those who want to sit you down that you're looking for your friends and get out after 2 minutes.

2. How do you spend the 2 minutes that you're in the bar. Check the girls very carefully and note if any hotties are there.

3. Once you complete the circle of few bars and remember where most of the hotties are. Return to that bar and take a table this time. After one drink only (one can't just barfine without a drink, it seems). Barfine the girl out.

4. If you want 2 girls, go with the chosen girl to another bar with the 2nd best hottie that you spotted earlier, and repeat #3.

5. Do all of the above relatively early, perhaps 8-9 pm, when the girls are fresh and places are not mobbed to a degree that one can't examine the territory quickly.

The above assumes that one knows exactly what he's looking for, keeps an eye on the "ball" and doesn't have to sit and get wasted.

Best,

A

[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot; 1391039]The same rule applies whether you meet a girl you like in a massage parlour or take a girl from one of the gogo bars. <cut

I have got the numbers of girls from massage parlours such as Nataree and Annies in Bangkok. <cut [/QUOTE]I have been lucky at Nataree too. Some of the girls will offer their number, without me asking. I like their lineup too, so it is one of my favorites.

AT2

[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot;1390941]You mentioned timing in your reply. If I'm in 'early bird' mode (for example trying to bar-fine a girl I wasn't able to speak to the night before) I assume the time to arrive is 7pm? Also what time do the majority close? It was 2am on my last visit but I read one report in which someone said that some of the bars stay open until 2. 30am. It's quite useful to know in case I want a couple of 'short times' in one night.[/QUOTE]No. This is not AC. Gogo girls do not show up till 8pm and many of the hotties do not show up till 9pm. Best time I think is 9pm or shortly after though it's possible some may already be barfined by then. By timing I meant more that girls come and go in gogo bars very quickly either moving on to another place or quitting, or they go back home to Issan for a lengthy vacation or it is their day off or they have been barfined already. So you can go into a gogo where you had seen a number of hotties a week before and none of them are working that night. Happens all the time. And one of the Universal Laws of Gogo's is that if there is one girl you are especially looking for the chances that she will be there that night is strangely small. I have no idea why. Also Gogo bars can go from great to crap in a very short time due to bad management or some blow-up with the girls or a mamasan who leaves and takes a lot of the girls with her. Keeping talent in the gogos is not easy and is why places like RB4 are held in such high esteem.

In Nana these days gogos are open till 2am or 2:30 but you really should not wait too late to make your decision because by 11pm a high pct of the better looking girls will be barfined. Though of course some may be back for seconds. Or thirds.

Err, Guys. What has open today?

Does open the G Clubs? Or something else for the lonely Gentlemen?

For directions I would be happy.

[QUOTE=Blue Guy; 1390961]Thanks for the excellent post.

<cut [/QUOTE]No problem. Here's a menu from Gulliver's on Soi 5. Representative of the pricing you will see on Sukhumvit area restaurant bars.

[url]http://www.gulliverbangkok.com/menu.php[/url]

Of course there are cheaper options. Gulliver's also has a few freelancers hanging around. Not my first choice for food, so this is not a recommendation.

AT2

And I thought G-Clubs were pricey. Check out the membership fee and pricing for Enigma (a VIP movie theatre!).

[url]http://travel.cnn.com/bangkok/play/bangkok-city-essentials/best-bangkok-vip-movie-theaters-270103[/url]

AT2

[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot; 1390414]I will be in Bangkok in a few weeks and plan to spend a few nights exploring the delights of Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy. I have found lots of useful reports on this thread (thanks to those who have contributed) but here's my question:

Which in your opinion are the 'must visit' bars in Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy?

I've gone back 100 pages and it seems that Baccara is the best on Soi Cowboy, with Shark, Tilac and Dollhouse not far behind. In Nana Plaza it seems that Rainbow 4 is still the top dog (as it was on my last BKK visit four years ago) although I've heard good things about Mandarin and Billboard. I like young pretty girls with good attitudes. Like everyone I don't like being hassled for lady drinks every two minutes and I'm not particularly fussed about seeing shows.

Any tips would be appreciated. I will post a lengthy diary (with photos) when I return.

Lance[/QUOTE]Sir,

DRRonin gives some very good observations.

If you're looking for young pretty girls with good attitudes, then you may want to try Mandarin GoGo at Nana (the one on the right and up steep stairs next to Mandarin Table Top GoGo. Manage alcohol intake according to how far you're prepared to fall down when you leave). When I was there in Sept, the bar was running two rotations of girls. One of smaller schoolgirls (no spinners) and the other with taller svelt young things. Quite a number of PYTs and generally a good attitude from girls and staff. Not pushy with drinks (mostly) but that doesn't mean that they don't ask! There seemed to be more of a push to do ST rather than LT so you may not get your first choice if LT is what you're wanting.

Mandarin Table Top also has some sweeties. The one I met there I didn't takeaway as it was a case of first girl-first bar-first night and I still wanted to play.

Sorry but have never been to Billboard. Something for next time.

IMHO stay away from Mercury which is next door. I watched them stitch up a Korean guy and his bill multiplied by a factor of 5 in just 10 minutes by the time mamasan had finished with him. I sipped my coke quietly in the shadows and slipped out the door before she got her hooks into me.

Unlike DRRonin, I've haunted Soi Cowboy for years and will admit to Rawhide as being one of my regular lurking places. For awhile it benefited from being the poor sister of Long Gun in that it was quieter but still had some reasonable lookers with a good attitude. Mamasan recognises me no matter how long it is between visits and seems to know what I like. I've enjoyed the place in the past but it did seem to be in decline when I was last there (although I was off alcohol that time!)

Dollhouse is an enigma. I've had good hunting there and there's always a cutie or two. But in Sept I went there every night for over a week and I would have been lucky to see more than a dozen guys over the entire time. You'd think getting a girl would have been like shooting fish in a barrel but they were too busy shuffling, looking in the mirror and then racing to the bathroom. This wan't the first visit that I've seen this. It still keeps getting good reviews but I don't see how. But I still have a soft spot for it.

Baccara, Shark and Tilac do nothing for me at all as the usual clientele has created a demanding environment where dollars determine attitude. I prefer to take my drinks and the girls at my own pace.

Overall, Soi Cowboy has lost its quieter charm and gone the way that Nana went while Nana has recovered IMHO.

Happy hunting. Hope this helps. I'm back in July *grin*

Pulse

Anybody know if the gogos will be open tonight (Monday, Maka Bucha Day)?

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2; 1391205]No problem. Here's a menu from Gulliver's on Soi 5. Representative of the pricing you will see on Sukhumvit area restaurant bars.

[url]http://www.gulliverbangkok.com/menu.php[/url]

Of course there are cheaper options. Gulliver's also has a few freelancers hanging around. Not my first choice for food, so this is not a recommendation.

AT2[/QUOTE]Gulliver is reasonably affordable for western standards (cheaper than home) but certainly doesn't beat the Thai floodplaces. Pad Thai is good, also at the judgement of the Thai girl I had with. I took some meat once and was hard as a shoe sole.

Have experienced cordon Bleu at Beer Garden a few times and was ok, maybe just off the freezer (I believe frozen food is often better than dodgy fresh food). Lets say good for a change for a quick bite to eat without venturing in real restaurants or sticking 100% to Thai food. Which I like, but from time to time I need some more familiar food. My mind and my body ask for.

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2; 1391205]No problem. Here's a menu from Gulliver's on Soi 5. Representative of the pricing you will see on Sukhumvit area restaurant bars.

[url]http://www.gulliverbangkok.com/menu.php[/url]

Of course there are cheaper options. Gulliver's also has a few freelancers hanging around. Not my first choice for food, so this is not a recommendation.

AT2[/QUOTE]Any recommendations around Soi 11, 7 or 5 for thai food? I am trying to avoid the tourist restaurants, if possible. Also, if there are any other cuisine or restaurant that you recommend, I would like to have your opinions.

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2; 1391032]I like to do the "gogo crawl" too. Even the small gogo's have the occasional surprise, and you avoid the crowds. I like Rainbow4 and Baccara for what they are. I have taken my share of girls from those gogo's. I will be checking out Billboard too. I have not been in that bar. The start and closing times have changed over the many years. I remember Nana closing at midnight, after one crack down period maybe 5 or more years ago. I hear the Nana and Soi Cowboy bars are now staying open till 2am to 2:30am. 7pm would be early. I do not usually hit the gogo's till later. I have passed on a few girls before, since it was "too early" and I wanted to window shop and enjoy a few beers. I have also kicked myself later, on some of those decisions. I think one of the locals need to chime in to confirm. I was an annual visitor for many years, but I will be returning soon after a few years away, and some things have changed. I read somewhere that Nana and Soi Cowboy are under two different police districts, which determines the enforcement of what the bars can do and what time they need to close. Politics always has a way of creeping into our lives.

AT2[/QUOTE]Billboard IMO is a very good place in that it is wide and spacious, has a soapy show and although the volume of ladies is not huge the quality is above the other venues in Nana. Angelwitch is an underestimated place. If you like shows it has them in abundance. There is one show where they get a member of the audience and give him a high energy lap-dance on stage. Very amusing to see the wide grin from the guy. I was there last Saturday night and saw 6 or 7 ladies which are as good looking as you will get anywhere in Nana.

7 pm is very early to be hitting the go-go's. As for kicking yourself for passing up some of the girls, why not go to the ST places located in both Soi Cowboy and Nana then kick back and watch the shows?

Soi Cowboy comes under the Thonglor Police district and Nana is covered by Lumphini.

Nana bars tend to close at 2 or 2:30 whereas quite a lot in Cowboy are open until 3 am.

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1391229]Gulliver is reasonably affordable for western standards (cheaper than home) but certainly doesn't beat the Thai floodplaces. Pad Thai is good, also at the judgement of the Thai girl I had with. I took some meat once and was hard as a shoe sole.

Have experienced cordon Bleu at Beer Garden a few times and was ok, maybe just off the freezer (I believe frozen food is often better than dodgy fresh food). Lets say good for a change for a quick bite to eat without venturing in real restaurants or sticking 100% to Thai food. Which I like, but from time to time I need some more familiar food. My mind and my body ask for.[/QUOTE]I have eaten in Gulliver's about 6 or 7 times. The good food seems to be their steaks, especially the T-bone and their ostrich is very nice. All the Thai dishes I have eaten there were of a reasonably good standard.

I went there last Saturday and did not feel hungry enough to order a main course so I decided on appetizers. Having company we ordered beef strips, deep fried chicken in bread crumbs and vegetable spring roll's. The beef strips were way over-cooked, the chicken was gristle in bread crumbs and the spring rolls were adequate.

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;1391241]Any recommendations around Soi 11, 7 or 5 for thai food? I am trying to avoid the tourist restaurants, if possible. Also, if there are any other cuisine or restaurant that you recommend, I would like to have your opinions.[/QUOTE]There are two places on Soi 11 which I thought were very nice. Both serve very good food and are both on the left as you walk down from Sukhumvit. I don't remember the name of the first place but the front is festooned with plant's, you can't miss it. This one is the more expensive of the two. The second is called Suk 11. More reasonably priced the advantage this place has is that the food is cooked to very old Thai recipes. I would highly recommend both places.

Regards,

BJ

I arrived in Bangkok on Sunday February 24. In the afternoon, I went for an oil massage on Soi 8 at a place called Cozy massage or something similar. The woman who gave me a massage was okay looking, but a bit older than I'd like (mid 30s I'd guess). After turning over, she asked if I would like my cock massaged. I asked her how much and she replied 1000 THB for everything (including the 300 Baht for the massage). I countered with 800 for everything. I think this amount is very far considering you can get full sex for less than twice that. She reluctantly agreed after telling me that it was the first time ever someone offered her that little. All the other guys "are kindness". The happy ending was okay, but nothing really special.

In the evening, I wasn't really feeling that well, so wasn't planning on a late night. I walked into Soi 7 Beer Garden, and immediately turned around. There were more men than women, and the women were not that great.

I walked down Soi 4 and quickly checked out NEP, but I decided I really wasn't in the mood, so I continued down Soi 4 and saw a beautiful woman freelancing. After passing her, and returning later, I approached her. She was really attractive, with a nice body and pretty face. However, when she started talking to me, I couldn't help but thinking she was a ladyboy. Her voice was just a hair too masculine. She very well could have been a female, but I didn't want to risk it. Too bad, as she was very attractive.

I walked into Thermae and saw plenty of attractive young women and about as many older lesser attractive women. The women who smiled, waved, and made eye contact with me were on the older lesser attractive side. The few women I talked to that were young and hot, didn't respond. Instead, they were there for the 90% of clientele that are Asian. I saw all the girls I approached later, outside with Asian clients.

I checked out a few freelancers on Sukhumvit near Thermae, but decided none were for me so made it an early night.

The next day, Monday, it was Makha Busha Day, a Buddhist holiday, so all the bars are closed.

In the afternoon, I went for another massage, this time it was at a place on Soi 11. When I walked passed the Villa Supermarket, I spotted a nice pair of tits attached to a girl named Nit. Since my stomach was not feeling well, I opted for a foot massage. She did a very good massage. During this session, my stomach settled, so I asked for an oil massage.

The oil massage was nice, but there was no teasing at all. I'd had an oil massage in this place years ago and there were no extras offered then, so I was not surprise that she wasn't teasing at all. However, she didn't seem to mind me putting my hand on her leg, then ass. I asked if they allowed her to do massage at hotels, she said yes for 100 baht more.

She told me she gets off at 6pm. I asked if she would like to come to my room and she agreed. I waited outside of my hotel at the agreed upon time and she was punctual. Up to this point, we had not discussed money. So we did the negotiation dance and settled on 1500 for short time.

In my room, she was fairly shy (something I don't care for). I asked to shower together, and she said I should go first, but finally she agreed as I told her I needed her to wash all that oil from my back.

When she got her clothes off, I was really happy with my decision. She has a great pair of tits, a flat (no child) stomach, and a nice little ass. Here face is probably around 6 or 7 on a realistic scale, but I really loved her body.

In bed, she was a bit shy. Her kissing was light at first, but after about 20 minutes of foreplay, she really got into it. However, she would not do BBBJ, only CBJ, so I skipped the BJ all together and went straight to sex.

Her wet shaved pussy was nice and snug. She seemed to enjoy herself, but don't know if she climaxed. However, I certainly did, which was the point in this transaction.

I asked her if she wanted to go out for dinner, but she declined and claimed to want to go home instead.

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;1391241]Any recommendations around Soi 11, 7 or 5 for thai food? I am trying to avoid the tourist restaurants, if possible. Also, if there are any other cuisine or restaurant that you recommend, I would like to have your opinions.[/QUOTE]I am probably not the best guide for food. I stumble across restaurants. I don't remember the names. When I am hungry, I find the closest busy restaurant, which assumes it's popular. There's a restaurant near the Beer Garden, that is popular with the girls. I end up there, when I have a freelancer or bar girl. It has an outside eating area, no ambiance, but the food seems authentic and as you would expect hot. I cannot recall the name, so maybe the regulars can chime in. One of the Shopping Centers, either MBK or Paragon. Has a cafeteria with Thai food. Girls have taken me there, and it's very reasonably priced and a good way to sample dishes. It was surprisingly good. Along Sukhumvit, past Soi 4, there are a few hole in the wall restaurants which were good. The touristy spots like Cabbages and Condoms, are good, but they are Westernized. For an American breakfast, I like the hole in the wall on Soi 4 about half way down from NEP and Soi 6. There was a girl that worked there, that I wanted to take out, but I was not sure if you can barfine the girls there. I should have asked. I know I suck as a food critic. For what it's worth, I will note the names on my next visit.

Interesting site (not related to food)

[url]http://www.globalnanpa.com/blog/nana-2-2[/url]

AT2

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2; 1391368]I am probably not the best guide for food. I stumble across restaurants. I don't remember the names. When I am hungry, I find the closest busy restaurant, which assumes it's popular. There's a restaurant near the Beer Garden, that is popular with the girls. I end up there, when I have a freelancer or bar girl. It has an outside eating area, no ambiance, but the food seems authentic and as you would expect hot. I cannot recall the name, so maybe the regulars can chime in. One of the Shopping Centers, either MBK or Paragon. Has a cafeteria with Thai food. Girls have taken me there, and it's very reasonably priced and a good way to sample dishes. It was surprisingly good. Along Sukhumvit, past Soi 4, there are a few hole in the wall restaurants which were good. The touristy spots like Cabbages and Condoms, are good, but they are Westernized. For an American breakfast, I like the hole in the wall on Soi 4 about half way down from NEP and Soi 6. There was a girl that worked there, that I wanted to take out, but I was not sure if you can barfine the girls there. I should have asked. I know I suck as a food critic. For what it's worth, I will note the names on my next visit.

Interesting site (not related to food)

[url]http://www.globalnanpa.com/blog/nana-2-2[/url]

AT2[/QUOTE]I appreciate anyone's opinion on most topics here on ISG. Everything is subjective, from food, beer, bars and girls, so any comment provides a different perspective on these various topics of interest.

I prefer to stay away from the touristy spots and like the smaller venues around Soi 11 area. I remember 20 years ago I was staying with a friend and he use to get his food delivered from a cosmetic surgery hospital / clinic that was next door. Great food, always fresh and very reasonable. Those were the days!

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1391168]First off the hot girls are constantly being barfined. Lineup changes by the minute if you're after the hot ones.

2nd why after all this about how you want top quality you give a CHEAP CHARLIE kind of routine, even if its your friends strategy. You kinda blowing the illusion that you only go for AAA superstar types.

3rd the bars arent populated with that many hot women to begin with. LOL.

4th I'm sure as its not crowed when you do your research the staff will notice what you are doing won't let you get away with this after say 2 tries. LOL.

Weve been over this the smoking hot ones arent found doing the Bangkok shuffle![/QUOTE]Thanks for the input. I've posted this as perhaps this strategy can be of help to others. I stick with my quest for top lookers though. I have to admit though that while I'm in touch with 2 top models in Phil, BKK AAA-types prove to be more difficult to crack. I still have some time.

A

[QUOTE=Rodwint2; 1391400]I appreciate anyone's opinion on most topics here on ISG. Everything is subjective, from food, beer, bars and girls, so any comment provides a different perspective on these various topics of interest.

I prefer to stay away from the touristy spots and like the smaller venues around Soi 11 area. I remember 20 years ago I was staying with a friend and he use to get his food delivered from a cosmetic surgery hospital / clinic that was next door. Great food, always fresh and very reasonable. Those were the days![/QUOTE]Not strictly close to Soi11, but further down, you can find this small cozy place.

Restaurant Khingklao.

+66022595623.

Sukhumvit soi 22 61/1. 10110 Klongtoey, Bangkok,. Thailand.

Very much thai cuisine! From all over the country. Opposite beer bar area, aside imperial queen park hotel.

Enjoy

Ok I see you guys talking about G-clubs what is that and what can I do there?

Is it something you guys recomend me to try when I go to BKK in June?

It seems like they are good place to find young good looking girls?

Is it veru pricey?

[QUOTE=Global Surfer;1390650]Try Cascade or Obsession in Nana Plaza. For more information please read top few pages[/QUOTE]Well played!

I believe the name of this place is The Hungry working girl.

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;1391241]Any recommendations around Soi 11, 7 or 5 for thai food? I am trying to avoid the tourist restaurants, if possible. Also, if there are any other cuisine or restaurant that you recommend, I would like to have your opinions.[/QUOTE]If you are really interested in good Thai food, the Nana area is not your friend. I find a good deal of great restaurants on this blog. [url]http://www.eatingthaifood.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=RBDave;1391316]I walked down Soi 4 and quickly checked out NEP, but I decided I really wasn't in the mood, so I continued down Soi 4 and saw a beautiful woman freelancing. After passing her, and returning later, I approached her. She was really attractive, with a nice body and pretty face. However, when she started talking to me, I couldn't help but thinking she was a ladyboy. Her voice was just a hair too masculine. She very well could have been a female, but I didn't want to risk it. Too bad, as she was very attractive.[/QUOTE]Good call. If you see a beautiful woman down Soi 4, she is either lost and took a wrong turn, a gogo girl coming back from a rendevous or a Lady Boy. There are no beautiful freelancers on Soi 4 any more.

[QUOTE=RBDave;1391316]I walked into Thermae and saw plenty of attractive young women and about as many older lesser attractive women. The women who smiled, waved, and made eye contact with me were on the older lesser attractive side. The few women I talked to that were young and hot, didn't respond. Instead, they were there for the 90% of clientele that are Asian. I saw all the girls I approached later, outside with Asian clients.[/QUOTE]Welcome to the club. The Thermae Initiation Ritual. If you haven't been dismissed or ignored by a cute girl in Thermae you haven't really experienced Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Puttex; 1391453]Ok I see you guys talking about G-clubs what is that and what can I do there?

Is it something you guys recomend me to try when I go to BKK in June?

It seems like they are good place to find young good looking girls?

Is it veru pricey?[/QUOTE]They are pricey. They are not for everyone. They are like the Korean Bars in Hawaii and the Hostess Bars in Tokyo, but pumped up on steroids. They take the hostess concept and throw them into a blender with the Hong Kong style hostess bars and Bangkok GoGo Bars. They have stages, coyote dancers, bands, and other entertainment. The girls sit with you. They are not designed for you to get laid like GoGo bars. Read the links below, and decide if it is for you. It will cost you 3, 000 to 10, 000 baht, depending on how long you stay. If you are ok with spending that kind of money, just to be entertained, it might be for you. If not, avoid them.

Overview.

[url]http://www.bangkokdiaries.com/2008/12/03/st-moritz-g-club-review/[/url]

[url]http://www.globalnanpa.com/blog/around-with-g-club-girls-from-the-pent-and-st-moritz-bangkok[/url]

Clubs.

[url]http://www.livingthai.org/complete-guide-to-gentlemens-clubs-in-bangkok-bangkok-coyote-clubs.html[/url]


Videos.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL0oJP8IpUk[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfbSeC8JbKQ[/url]

So after dinner at Suda restaurant (Soi 14 I believe) , I went for a walk.

I went to Soi Cowboy to check out the darkness. It was very eerie seeing the place at night all closed down. The downside was the annoying tuk tuk drivers trying to get me to pay them to take me to a place that is open. They were more annoying than ever.

After that, I walked down Sukhumvit towards NEP. When I passed by the closed Thermae, there were a bunch a women out front, but not nearly as many that were inside the previous night. Although, all the hot women I spoke to previously were there. On the opposite side of the sidewalk were the Asian customers lined up checking out the talent.

When I got to Soi 4, NEP was completely dark, but there were about three of four bars on the soi open for business and they did appear to be serving alcohol. Plenty of ladyboy prostitutes were lining the streets with a few women sprinkled in to make for an interesting game of "find the attractive women among the not so attractive and sometimes attractive ladyboys".

A few women tried to get my attention, but nothing that really interested me, especially since I was recently satisfied with Nit.

I then walked back to soi 13, and headed down the street with the oil massage shops that connects to the walkway to soi 11. I'd seen a girl a Wondergirl during my last trip who I thought was a lot of fun. If she was there, I planned to take her back to my hotel.

I didn't see her, but there were lots of other women asking to give oil massage with discount. The discount is to lure you in for the up sell to sex. However, there was one girl that caught my eye. Unfortunately, there was a guy about ten meters in front of me that she latched onto, so I was about 30 seconds too late.

I continued back to my hotel on Soi 15 and spotted a gaggle off freelancers on the corner of Soi 15 and Sukhumvit. They were a mixed bunch of young and old, shy and outspoken. The more verbose ones chatted me up and it was nice talking to them. One girl in particular, Tak, really liked to talk. She had a hot red dress on, but a bit too much make up for my tastes. Also, while she wasn't fat, I prefer a slimmer girl. She told me a disco was open on Soi 11. To be honest, I'm not really into discos, so even though I wanted a drink, I wasn't in the mood to head out there for that.

There was one girl in the bunch that was like a stick figure. She looked to be the youngest. But she wasn't really my type either.

The one girl I liked the most didn't want to chat beyond giving me her name, which I've since forgotten.

By this time the street bars were beginning to set up. I can only assume they planned on serving alcohol after midnight. But since jet lag was kicking in, I decided to call it a night.

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1391442]Not strictly close to Soi11, but further down, you can find this small cozy place.

Restaurant Khingklao.

+66022595623.

Sukhumvit soi 22 61/1. 10110 Klongtoey, Bangkok. Thailand.

Very much thai cuisine! From all over the country. Opposite beer bar area, aside imperial queen park hotel.

Enjoy[/QUOTE]Thanks for the recommendation. I will give it a try.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1391568]Welcome to the club. The Thermae Initiation Ritual. If you haven't been dismissed or ignored by a cute girl in Thermae you haven't really experienced Bangkok.[/QUOTE]I've scored in Thermae before, but that was years ago when it wasn't so Asian oriented. Also, back then, I feel the Soi 7 beer garden had a better selection as well.

I'm in Pattaya now, so I'll be filing my next reports in that thread.

[QUOTE=Aibolit;1391406]I stick with my quest for top lookers though.[/QUOTE]I don't think it helps talking about it with no visual aid. Would you consider either of these women to be "fresh-faced"?

BANGKOK:. Ong-art 'Aerk' Lederer, a 25-year-old Thai-German luk thung country singer, is facing a barrage of online criticism for a super sexy music video that he says was only meant to help fund his mother's cancer treatment.

[url]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/621320-thai-german-luk-thung-singer-facing-a-barrage-of-criticism-for-sexy-music-video/[/url]

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1391568]Welcome to the club. The Thermae Initiation Ritual. If you haven't been dismissed or ignored by a cute girl in Thermae you haven't really experienced Bangkok.[/QUOTE]The first time I went to Thermae was about two and a half years ago and I was knocked back three times in the space of half an hour. A bit disconcerting. I have been advised that the best approach for westerners is just to sit with a drink and see which girls make eye contact with you and then follows that up with a smile.

I haven't been there since so can't really comment accurately but if the young good lookers are only interested in the 3 x 3 x 3 customers it may be the undesirable end of the scale you find trying to get your attention.

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;1391241]Any recommendations around Soi 11, 7 or 5 for thai food? I am trying to avoid the tourist restaurants, if possible. Also, if there are any other cuisine or restaurant that you recommend, I would like to have your opinions.[/QUOTE]Rosabieng (outside) on Soi 11 is pretty good for Thai food and the Japanese place attached to Grand President is acceptable (although not my favourite Japanese which is "Toaya" in Soi 33/1. Very fresh and honest). Zanzibar in Soi 11 was crap food last time I was there. The German pub is okay.

Soi 5 has Foodland's "Tuuk Lae Dee" (Cheap but Good) for a quick bite Thai or western, and there used to be an okay thai restaurant upstairs nearby. Soi 7 has many places together outdoors competing for your business.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1391568]Good call. If you see a beautiful woman down Soi 4, she is either lost and took a wrong turn, a gogo girl coming back from a rendevous or a Lady Boy. There are no beautiful freelancers on Soi 4 any more.[/QUOTE]It seems he may have been on the wrong & ladyboy side of soi 4 where NEP is. Cross to the other side if you want to see hot female FL streetwalkers.

Also check out lower sukh from soi 3 to 5, in the daytime or at night.

Over the years I've found quite a number of hotties in these locations that surpass the vast majority of anything I've ever seen in or going into or coming out of Thai gogos, whether in person with NEP, online websites, videos, or magazines for sale in BKK & Pattaya.

Let's face it, some girls don't like the environment, rules, people, etc in bars or gogos.

Here's a lookalike of a soi 4 FL stunner I picked up several times about a year ago:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3ZDcVtdfpU[/url]

AsiaTraveler2, DRRonin, Pulse, BJ.

Thanks for your help. Some really useful info. I will post a diary / report on my return.

[QUOTE=Aibolit; 1391116]Thanks to those who commented on my question about getting the girls from MPs to one's hotel. As for bar crawling, here is a strategy that one of my friends shared with me. Hope it's helpful and any comments are welcome. The strategy is as follows:

1. Don't sit in any bar. Just go in, say to those who want to sit you down that you're looking for your friends and get out after 2 minutes.

2. How do you spend the 2 minutes that you're in the bar. Check the girls very carefully and note if any hotties are there.

3. Once you complete the circle of few bars and remember where most of the hotties are. Return to that bar and take a table this time. After one drink only (one can't just barfine without a drink, it seems). Barfine the girl out.

4. If you want 2 girls, go with the chosen girl to another bar with the 2nd best hottie that you spotted earlier, and repeat #3.

5. Do all of the above relatively early, perhaps 8-9 pm, when the girls are fresh and places are not mobbed to a degree that one can't examine the territory quickly.[/QUOTE]I would only recommend this method if you are on a very short timeframe. It's a pretty clinical method but what is the rush? Go to the bars mentioned on this site or even just wander around and enter a bar with the prettiest 'Hello Girls' sitting outside. You don't need to spend a long time going on strategic recces because you could get almost identical end results by having a really enjoyable night, visiting numerous bars at your own leisurely pace. That's part of the fun! Essentially your friends strategy only saves you buying yourself a few drinks and maybe the occasional lady-drink. You're on holiday, relax and enjoy yourself. It sounds to me that maybe the selection method in high end massage parlours, where you select a girl from a well stocked 'fishbowl' might be more suited to you.

Also I thought you might like to hear a girls perspective. I have been in gogo bars in both Thailand and Philippines, chatting to a pretty girl, when a customer has walked in, looked at the girls and walked back out again after a few seconds. Both girls said "he rude, no respect". The girls know it's a business but they don't like being treated like a piece of meat. Personally I will never enter a bar and leave without buying a drink, even if it's just a quick bottle of water.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1391672]I don't think it helps talking about it with no visual aid. Would you consider either of these women to be "fresh-faced"?

BANGKOK:. Ong-art 'Aerk' Lederer, a 25-year-old Thai-German luk thung country singer, is facing a barrage of online criticism for a super sexy music video that he says was only meant to help fund his mother's cancer treatment.

[url]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/621320-thai-german-luk-thung-singer-facing-a-barrage-of-criticism-for-sexy-music-video/[/url][/QUOTE]The only one that's passable is the one lying down.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1391788]Rosabieng (outside) on Soi 11 is pretty good for Thai food and the Japanese place attached to Grand President is acceptable (although not my favourite Japanese which is "Toaya" in Soi 33/1. Very fresh and honest). Zanzibar in Soi 11 was crap food last time I was there. The German pub is okay.

Soi 5 has Foodland's "Tuuk Lae Dee" (Cheap but Good) for a quick bite Thai or western, and there used to be an okay thai restaurant upstairs nearby. Soi 7 has many places together outdoors competing for your business.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the recommendations.

Been to Rosabieng, but thought it was a bit "touristy". I like the smaller venues. The Japanese restaurant, Uzuki, in the Grand President is really quite good for basic food and reasonable as well. You can tell it is good, because all the Japanese expat workers land up there to drink and eat after work. The decompress by talking golf, beer and home, so the food there is to their tastes.

The "Old German Beer House" across the street from Uzuki is pretty good and is always busy with european expats, so the food must be ok. I found it to be good in my taste, but I am not a knowledgable German cuisine person. In the same lane that the beer house is on are a couple of italian restaurants that I have not tried yet. Looked at the Australian Pub next door, but never visited it, yet.

[QUOTE=RBDave; 1391652]I've scored in Thermae before, but that was years ago when it wasn't so Asian oriented. Also, back then, I feel the Soi 7 beer garden had a better selection as well.

I'm in Pattaya now, so I'll be filing my next reports in that thread.[/QUOTE]I agree with you, girls in Thermae are looking for japanese only. First of all there are hardly 2/3 girls that are borderline do-able and when you find them, hmmmmm.

Screw that.

Beer Graden is more orentated towards farangs. Unfortunately I learnt the hard way that BKK is mostly a night time play ground. The options for fun under the sun are very limited.

How is shock 35 these days? Been there last trip, much better than bossy. Haven't been to cm2. Are they at the same level as far as clubs go? . Other than cm2, whats comparable in class? Is spasso another option?

Last trip, also had good times at annies (basic soapy) and long beach. Thinking of moving to higher end, so are we talking about poseidon and nataree? Wasnt sure if this info is still current.

Thank you brothers.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1391907]Mr Aib.

So.

Tell us how your search is going and what hell are you doing to get it done sir. Its the least you can do after members here tried giving you advice.

To tell you the truth I think you looking for a needle in a haystick kind of thing. Guys don't come here fall off a turnip truck and expect to have the creme dela creme of thai hooker. You need contacts and money to gain access to what you want. While you may have money you surely don't have contacts if you asking guys who go for 500 baht st and 1000 long times. LOL how to get the top class girls.[/QUOTE]Harold,

A few easily forgettable posts ago you stated that your minimum standards were middle rung and above. So leaving Rainbow 4 aside for now perhaps you could break with your long standing tradition and actually help someone with useful information instead of posing mundane cliched questions? I have a feeling that might be like trying to shovel flees across a barn though.

What is wrong with this guy being specific about what he is looking for? People here waste no time criticizing other posters for being too vague. Finally I am a little perplexed how someone with such high standards as yourself would even be aware of the existence of 500 baht prostitutes? Please share this precious information with the rest of us. He said he would post his findings in the fullness of time so lets wait and see.

Regards,

BJ

After my arrival yesterday late eve from Manila it was hitting the bottle hard and down to Climax for some rendevouz with staff. Arrived around 3am (after go go girls and so on arrives) Asked staff to pick out a girl for me and she turned out to be so so. I am a softhearted man so I can hardly refuse when pussy is almost pressed down my throat. Mia, so so girl, good looking with nice jolly humor. Performancewice, mechanicle but I believe so was I due to little sleep so I don't put all blame on her. She was a countrygirl in every aspect of the meaning and I had to show her how this intricate showersystem worked out (handles and stuff). I watched her pie and she did not even let the "ring" down but sat on bare China. I laughed my ass off. Poor girl. But I treated her nicely and send her off at 7ish. Only one pop. Pics in photothread. But she has potential guys so go get her. I was simply not in the mood.

As in Philippino forum and Manila thread where I stepped on some sour toes I mentioned one date tonight with Siemens girl. Will not disclosure to much from her hidden secrets as I simply not know a lot of them. We have been on and off in TLL for some times and she seems great. 165cm. 55kg, pale skinned BKK girl (so she claims) and seems modern and not to traditional Thai. Parents allready, according to her, informed she will meet up with mr lova lova tonight, and they don't mind. She is a teaser allready want to meet and shower in my hotelroom after her work (this I found out 30 min ago). Fine by me. Maby we don't have to go the wine and dine route. Well I leave it at that for now.

Previously I felt an urge to ease some steeme out of my body. Luckely I know the shortcut from Grand President to Beergarden, BG, (Soi 11 to Soi 7) and so I went. Arrived and I have to say, horny as I was, there were allready some good talent present. I know many people don't find BG very fancy and it is to be fair a shithole with fans in the ceiling. But atleast in my mind today was a good day for BG'ening. Met up with Lucky and Ann and we soon decided to go play inroomgames at my apt in Grand President. Very effective and it was not more than maby 15 minutes spend (I will never get them back) and payment for my beer and their drinks. Lets say I arrived at almost 1pm and at 1:30pm we were inroom ready for game session. They were friends so I early told them I want to see some lesbian action and they were find with that.

Lets start. Pics will show up in photothread. Ann and Lucky go go: Had a beer each, they did shower routine together but as I had just one showercap to spare they did it actually one by one, hehe. After a few minutes they arrived in livingroom and they started to kiss my shaft and kissing. They did alternate as in a preprogrammed scheduel and I liked that. We had only 1 condom but both the girls were fine with me porking them both without condomswitch. Ann was the taker and Lucky was the giver. Lucky I could do hard in the ass while she licked Anns pussy. No tricks were to be seen as I watched closely in sideby mirrors. I fucked Ann a bit in doggy (pussy only but she did get Luckys assfluids in her. Not my prob) and then switched back to Lucky and I did a little bit pussy and a little bit ass until I popped. Tried to arranged the cum as in Ron`s movies but real lifeaction is not so easy. But I managed to get some cum on both the girls and they seemed fine. I asked Ann to lick Luckys tits as she had some cum dripping down and so she did. Nice girl.

All session maby 30 min effective playprogram and a nice realease for upcoming event this eve (uncertain if I can nail this chick first night but can be. Time will show).

Set me back only 2000 and they were happy about that. I thought that was cheap so I added a few spare 100s I had lying around for food and extras. They popped the price after we finished session and were quite relaxed the holde time. I recomend those girl together and I believe only a to creative manbrain can put them to a stop as they were into most things. Atleast so it seemed. As promised pics will come.

After my arrival yesterday late eve from Manila I was hitting the bottle hard and down to Climax for some rendevouz with staff. Arrived around 3am (after go go girls and so on arrives) Asked staff to pick out a girl for me and she turned out to be so so. I am a softhearted man so I can hardly refuse when pussy is almost pressed down my throat. Mia, so so girl, good looking with nice jolly humor. Performancewice, mechanicle but I believe so was I due to little sleep so I don't put all blame on her. She was a countrygirl in every aspect of the meaning and I had to show her how this intricate showersystem worked out (handles and stuff). I watched her pie and she did not even let the "ring" down but sat on bare China. I laughed my ass off. Poor girl. But I treated her nicely and send her off at 7ish. Only one pop. Pics in photothread. But she has potential guys so go get her. I was simply not in the mood.

As in Philippino forum and Manila thread where I stepped on some sour toes I mentioned one date tonight with Siemens girl. Will not disclosure to much from her hidden secrets as I simply not know a lot of them. We have been on and off in TLL for some times and she seems great. 165cm. 55kg. 36yrs pale skinned BKK girl (so she claims) and no child. Seems modern and not to traditional Thai with good job. Travels a lot abroad and I find that allways as a good sign for girls I want to add into my regular fleet. Parents allready, according to her, informed she will meet up with mr lova lova tonight, and they don't mind. She is a teaser allready want to meet and shower in my hotelroom after her work (this I found out 30 min ago). Fine by me. Maby we don't have to go the wine and dine route. Well I leave it at that for now.

Previously I felt an urge to ease some steeme out of my body. Luckely I know the shortcut from Grand President to Beergarden, BG, (Soi 11 to Soi 7) and so I went. Arrived and I have to say, horny as I was, there were allready some good talent present. I know many people don't find BG very fancy and it is to be fair a shithole with fans in the ceiling. But atleast in my mind today was a good day for BG'ening. Met up with Lucky and Ann and we soon decided to go play inroomgames at my apt in Grand President. Very effective and it was not more than maby 15 minutes spend (I will never get them back) and payment for my beer and their drinks. Lets say I arrived at almost 1pm and at 1:30pm we were inroom ready for game session. They were friends so I early told them I want to see some lesbian action and they were find with that.

Lets start. Pics will show up in photothread. Ann and Lucky go go: Had a beer each, they did shower routine together but as I had just one showercap to spare they did it actually one by one, hehe. After a few minutes they arrived in livingroom and they started to kiss my shaft and kissing. They did alternate as in a preprogrammed scheduel and I liked that. We had only 1 condom but both the girls were fine with me porking them both without condomswitch. Ann was the taker and Lucky was the giver. Lucky I could do hard in the ass while she licked Anns pussy. No tricks were to be seen as I watched closely in sideby mirrors. I fucked Ann a bit in doggy (pussy only but she did get Luckys assfluids in her. Not my prob) and then switched back to Lucky and I did a little bit pussy and a little bit ass until I popped. Tried to arranged the cum as in Ron`s movies but real lifeaction is not so easy. But I managed to get some cum on both the girls and they seemed fine. I asked Ann to lick Luckys tits as she had some cum dripping down and so she did. Nice girl.

All session maby 30 min effective playprogram and a nice realease for upcoming event this eve (uncertain if I can nail this chick first night but can be. Time will show).

Set me back only 2000 and they were happy about that. I thought that was cheap so I added a few spare 100s I had lying around for food and extras. They popped the price after we finished session and were quite relaxed the holde time. I recomend those girl together and I believe only a to creative manbrain can put them to a stop as they were into most things. Atleast so it seemed. As promised pics will come.

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1392019]Luckely I know the shortcut from Grand President to Beergarden, BG, (Soi 11 to Soi 7) and so I went.[QUOTE]

Where is the "shortcut"? It would be great not to have to walk all around Sukvt to get to Soi 7. Thanks.

The girls in there are not looking for Jp guys only.

They will go with the white man too. Definately so.

When I was there end of Dec, there were at least 100 ladies in there, the place really picked up.

I prefer Thermae to BG in respects to finding a woman.

But like the non air cond feel of beer garden

[QUOTE=Skogis;1392019]Previously I felt an urge to ease some steeme out of my body. Luckely I know the shortcut from Grand President to Beergarden, BG, (Soi 11 to Soi 7) and so I went. Met up with Lucky and Ann and we soon decided to go play inroomgames at my apt in Grand President. Very effective and it was not more than maby 15 minutes spend (I will never get them back) and payment for my beer and their drinks. Lets say I arrived at almost 1pm and at 1:30pm we were inroom ready for game session. They were friends so I early told them I want to see some lesbian action and they were find with that.[/QUOTE]Great report confirming also that with a bit of luck one can have a genuine 3-some in BKK, despite all odds. With a bit of luck, I would still say. Also confirms that the much criticised Beer Garden can offer some talent. Maybe not in the super stunning dept, but efficient stuff. I have not done take away from there, helped a friend to do so and he was happy with the 30+ he picked up for LT, formerly a girl of a known bar in Soi 33.

I am sure many will inquire about the intel on those two girls, attracted by the 3-some option. The big question is: YMMV, so will have someone else a similar positive experience? Did you feel they are quite used to it? Was it all kind of genuine or slightly forced and faked? Doesn't look so from your report.

[QUOTE=Rodwint2; 1392033]

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1392019]Luckely I know the shortcut from Grand President to Beergarden, BG, (Soi 11 to Soi 7) and so I went.

[QUOTE]Where is the "shortcut"? It would be great not to have to walk all around Sukvt to get to Soi 7. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Probably a back alley? There are quite some connecting the sois one to the other. As wide as two people crossing each other, full of activities such as hairdressers, or some tiny bars, a 2-3 bed MP. I went through one of these from Soi 5 to Soi 7. My friend flirted through the window with a girl having her hair done in a shop, eventually and causally met her later in BG and the rest was a LT till late in the morning for 3k.

It took quite a bit of work trying to book United award travel from SFO to BKK. Probably the biggest obstacle in doing this was myself. Since this is my first time I was pig-headed about NOT wanting to arrive in the middle of the night, especially with all the nick-knacks I wanted / needed to take care of. (Get my iPhone up and working. Navigate the BTS / airport service, figure out how to make it close to the hotel lugging my backpack, etc.

So Eva Air is the only flight that gets me there in the daylight hours. What a pita. The way it works is, United requests a flight segment. 24 hours later it does or does not get confirmed. IF not, start from square one again. After 4 iterations, I accepted a subpar itinerary. Subpar, because the connecting Taipei flight was full forcing me to take the next one 5 hours later.

After 24 hours I arrived at BKK@2:45pm. I found the 2nd floor phone vendors Duniawala posted about. His description about what I needed to do was great but I learned later it was no slam dunk getting my phone working. The problem is, the phone is locked for ATT use. In order to unlock it, one must go to a phone store, pay 1500Bht and wait 24 hours for Apple to respond at headquarters to accept my locked phone. After, you purchase a phone and internet plan with DTAC which is rumored to be the cheapest. Unlimited internet (3G for all Thailand) + 100bht talk time (buy more at 7/11). My 2 week package cost 600bht. Total for iPhone=2100bht.

I am so used to my iPhone, GPS google navigation, Waze navigation plus apps for the BKK metro service. Looking at things after all is said and done, it is worth it. Because of not having the phone, I put blisters on my feet trying to find some of the most popular places you guys all post about my first night. But with it, it is a snap figuring out what I need to do to navigate to all the different areas.

So the first thing I did was an Annies soapie. My buddy talked it up pretty good and I must say it was pretty nice. I had one of the better looking girls there but from what I read she was fairly reserved on the sex part compared to other reports on other girls. Her pic is not up on the website and I can't remember her name. Three or girls 4 were really gorgeous. 8-9. 5 in the face, bodies in the 8 – 9. 25 range and I am one picky asshole. Complaints: the air con blowing on me during the session with the girl having no way to stop it. Just because of that I will not repeat even if the girl I had was great looking.

After Annies I had something to eat, and off to the Magic table. That place was a crackup. There were 3 union jacks in there working over one of the least pretty of the girls, all at the same time. She would be lap dancing one of them while facing me, and each hand was simulating a jackoff motion for the other two friends who were flanking the guy getting the dance. Then she would be back up on the table, one guy eating her puss from the front and the other tonguing her ass from behind. That girl was having just much fun as those wasted guys were. None of the guys were interested in going back to get blown by her so I stalled until she was free. Looks, she was about 6. 9 face. 6.9 body but god dam it she was having fun and was making me hot. When I finally got word out to her she was grabbing her pay and leaving the bar. God dam I bet she gives one wild assed blow job. Well, Magic table was closing so I got the hell out. They were pushing a new girl on me who was not even dressed like the others. My guess was she was a new intern. Give me PSE or give me death I always say. Most of you guys are nuts bragging about all this GFE bullshit but to each his own as they say.

So now I high-tail it back to Nana Plaza where one Angelwitch dancer was giving me the hots. I sit, buy a drink, and very soon some performances get under way. I must say, they do a pretty good job choreographing their shows. The girls that don't take part go into the audience and lap dance up guys like me. The girl that came to me was very accommodating and I mistakenly took her back to my room. Can't remember her name. 4ft'8, maybe 75-80 lbs, great body but face only 7. 0. I grilled her before I took her too. Twice before we left to make sure there were no understandings. I want a wild assed 'crazy' blowjob, CIM. 2 hours. She kept dropping her rate and I got 1500+600bf. She ended up staying the night even after I told her the money would be the same. Bottom line, crummy BJ, but decent doggie. She has a lot to learn about the best way to getting a guy off. That session was crummy.

I will tell you, the girls were prettier in Angelwitch than rainbow next door, IMHO. Rainbow was a zoo and the * at the door was walking around with a flogger hitting you if you were not drinking or finding an empty seat right away.

Staying in Grand President at the moment. Ok room I guess.

[QUOTE=Nick Depalma; 1391992]How is shock 35 these days? Been there last trip, much better than bossy. Haven't been to cm2. Are they at the same level as far as clubs go? . Other than cm2, whats comparable in class? Is spasso another option?

Last trip, also had good times at annies (basic soapy) and long beach. Thinking of moving to higher end, so are we talking about poseidon and nataree? Wasnt sure if this info is still current.

Thank you brothers.[/QUOTE]Shock 39 is a filthy shithole. If you want freelance disco stick to Insanity (formerly Insomnia) or Scratchdogs (although its a mix and the girls tend to gravitate to the Asian mongers). Posiedon- I was never impressed with their talent and they slap on a 1K farang surcharge, you might want to try Long Beach's sister venues. I wouldn't call Nataree upscale but they got some nice looking young ones lol

Is there a place in BKK where hot and horny Japanese girls tend to congregate? I'll see the random Japanese chick out and about here and there, but have never seen them out in force, rollin' deep. Yesterday I chatted with a stunner from Chiba at the MRT near Esplande Mall, she was in a big hurry for who knows what, her English was lacking and so was my Nihongo, but from my experience they tend to speak better Enlgish than their Thai sisters. Hot damn was she smokin' hot! If she were a P4P girl, no doubt she would get top baht / dollar / yen LOL

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1391672]I don't think it helps talking about it with no visual aid. Would you consider either of these women to be "fresh-faced"?[/QUOTE]"It is amazing how complete is the delusion that beauty is goodness" Tolstoy

Look at this bloke who went looking for young beauty in Vietnam, found it, and then found evil.

[url]http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/Reader2006/reader2272.htm[/url]

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;1391241]Any recommendations around Soi 11, 7 or 5 for thai food? I am trying to avoid the tourist restaurants, if possible. Also, if there are any other cuisine or restaurant that you recommend, I would like to have your opinions.[/QUOTE]Hmmm lower Suk is Tourist Central so it is pretty hard to avoid restaurants targeting us. Of course there are loads of street food vendors everywhere and this is where most Thai's eat their Thai food. I have to admit since I got sick twice on street food years ago I have pretty much avoided it. But what I can recommend are three Food Courts in the neighborhood where food is cheap (30-40 baht for a dish) , it's tasty and there are just lots of regular Thai girls to look at. One is in Ploenchit Mall on the top floor (go left on Suk from Soi 4 about 50 yards) which is open only for lunch and all the workers in the mall will be eating there. Then in the basement of Robinsons (above Soi 17) there is a small Food Court that is ok. But the best in terms of food and girl watching is on the 5th floor of Terminal 21 (right before Asoke). Loads of food options and loads of people. Great place to eat cheap.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1391907]Mr Aib.

So.

Tell us how your search is going and what hell are you doing to get it done sir. Its the least you can do after members here tried giving you advice.

To tell you the truth I think you looking for a needle in a haystick kind of thing. Guys don't come here fall off a turnip truck and expect to have the creme dela creme of thai hooker. You need contacts and money to gain access to what you want. While you may have money you surely don't have contacts if you asking guys who go for 500 baht st and 1000 long times. LOL how to get the top class girls.[/QUOTE]While I have reservations to the style of your post, I will respond as follows:

- First. Let us leave the money issue aside. I never was specific about my finances, although I did say that I'm not a budget traveler. Let us leave it at that for the sake of a good taste.

- I work around the clock. So, when once in a blue moon I have a chance to unwind, I plan well in advance. I mean way in advance.

- I know extremely well what I want.

- I don't use "contacts", as it is indescrete.

- I prepare the schedule of my activity as precise as is immaginable and don't waste time on planning, while on site.

- I try to target the places where the chance for getting stunners is high. Please know that girl next-door can also be stunners. So are girls from a province. After all, I'm after great boty / face and friendly personality. I don't care how they dress, it is undressing that I'm after.

What was your question again?

[QUOTE=Ehunter;1392052]After Annies I had something to eat, and off to the Magic table. That place was a crackup.[/QUOTE]Wow, your first time in Bangkok and Magic Table was your second destination! It took years and a drunk friend to get me in there. If that was a recommendation, someone must really hate you! What a pit. But on the bright side, everywhere you go from now on will be a major step up.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1392063]Is there a place in BKK where hot and horny Japanese girls tend to congregate? . Hot damn was she smokin' hot! If she were a P4P girl, no doubt she would get top baht / dollar / yen LOL[/QUOTE]Ah ah ah, we mongers seem to see a WG in every woman we bump into it, especially if nice looking and available for talks. I am not saying you saw that Japanese like that, but the last comment was on that direction. Happens to me too, I must be a damn pervert.

[QUOTE=Jp Slicky; 1392041]The girls in there are not looking for Jp guys only.

They will go with the white man too. Definately so.

When I was there end of Dec, there were at least 100 ladies in there, the place really picked up.

I prefer Thermae to BG in respects to finding a woman.

But like the non air cond feel of beer garden[/QUOTE]Some, in fact a small percentage, will go with non-Asians. The prettiest girls will not give the white man the time of day.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1392181]Some, in fact a small percentage, will go with non-Asians. The prettiest girls will not give the white man the time of day.[/QUOTE]It depends on the white man. Some of those girls are intimidated by big dudes, either too fat or too muscluar. If you're smallish or a Collin Ferrell look-a-like you'll have no trouble finding pretty girls there. But if you're a Collin Ferrell look a like, you'd be hitting the Tong Lor posh nightclubs and swooping up all the HISO Thai girls LOL

[QUOTE=Rodwint2; 1392033]

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1392019]Luckely I know the shortcut from Grand President to Beergarden, BG, (Soi 11 to Soi 7) and so I went.

[QUOTE]Where is the "shortcut"? It would be great not to have to walk all around Sukvt to get to Soi 7. Thanks.[/QUOTE]There is a driveway next to the pizza place across from the GP, it will take you through a couple of parking lots. That should get you there.

Hey Guys,

3 days to kill in BK, my second visit want to hit all the places I could not the first time around. If any of you are there at the time or just want a grab a drink and check out some places let me know.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Lord Farquard; 1392199]

[QUOTE=Rodwint2; 1392033]

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1392019]Luckely I know the shortcut from Grand President to Beergarden, BG, (Soi 11 to Soi 7) and so I went.

There is a driveway next to the pizza place across from the GP, it will take you through a couple of parking lots. That should get you there.[/QUOTE]Thank you.

Help: what I do wrong search function: "blowjob bar"?

I go to Thailand / Bangkok Reports / I use the search function on the right / top, type "blowjob bar"?

And as a reasult dozen of forums show up like Melburne, Tanzania, but nothing under "Bangkok Reports,

I also tried "Advanced Search", just a thread shows up, but no detailed report?

How to find something about "blowjob bar (s)"?

Thanks.

John.

Need info, will be there soon.

[QUOTE=John Auro; 1392278]Help: what I do wrong search function: "blowjob bar"? Thanks.

John.

Need info, will be there soon.[/QUOTE]What about trying the more obvious "BJ Bar"? and use "search this thread"
have to say I then tried...and does not work either...my bad

[quote=john auro; 1392278]help: what i do wrong search function: "blowjob bar"?

i go to thailand / bangkok reports / i use the search function on the right / top, type "blowjob bar"?

and as a reasult dozen of forums show up like melburne, tanzania, but nothing under "bangkok reports,

i also tried "advanced search", just a thread shows up, but no detailed report?

how to find something about "blowjob bar (s)"?

thanks.

john.

need info, will be there soon.[/quote]you're welcome!

som's haven, soi 14. http://www.somhaven.com

after skool bar. price starts at 800thb. address: soi cowboy.

dr. bj salon bangkok. price starts at 800thb. address: sukhumvit soi 7/1.

kangaroo club. price starts at 700thb. address: patpong soi 1.

[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s bar. price starts at 800thb. address: sukhumvit soi 8 on the right side.

lollipop bar. price starts at 700thb. address: near entrance on sukhumvit soi 10 on left side.

star of light. price starts at 700thb. address: patpong soi 2

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1392114]Wow, your first time in Bangkok and Magic Table was your second destination! It took years and a drunk friend to get me in there. If that was a recommendation, someone must really hate you! What a pit. But on the bright side, everywhere you go from now on will be a major step up.[/QUOTE]That is cause someone made an intriguing post sometime back about it. I see the place has potential though. There was a taller good looking blondish girl in there attached to a guy at the bar, else I would have left 800bht lighter in the pocket book.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1392195]It depends on the white man. Some of those girls are intimidated by big dudes, either too fat or too muscluar. If you're smallish or a Collin Ferrell look-a-like you'll have no trouble finding pretty girls there. But if you're a Collin Ferrell look a like, you'd be hitting the Tong Lor posh nightclubs and swooping up all the HISO Thai girls LOL[/QUOTE]Ah, not really. Then I would have to listen to their vapid chatter, the Thong Lor crowd that is. Thermae, well, lots of the pretty gals will get too much flak from their friends if they go with a white man.

Slept in a little late and decided to go off somewhere to lunch. Dr BJ posted about Chote Chitr so I decided to make an adventure about it. That place was a real pain in the ass to find. One of my biggest complaints so far is the poor marking of streets in this city. Sometimes only one corner has a marker. Sometimes it is placed 30 meters back down only on one of the streets. Sometimes the sign it is not written in western script. Sometimes even the iPhone does not I'd the streets in western script either. Anyway, it took me quite a time finding the place, way past the lunch hour, and when I find it, the friggin place is locked up! LOL. What a waste of time. I chalk it the quirks of a foreign country.

60 bht gets me back to Nana. I am getting more into the street food scene. Dam it is great tasting and cheap! After lunch, I planned my route to Star of Light and sat down at Cleos bar to survey the girls working. On the way an old toothless gent hanging out at the leather shop tries to chat me up. I just kept walking. One girl at SOL was very sexy, cute, decent body. The others were nothing to write home about, really. I motioned the girl and she followed me into the bar. The place was empty. The girls name was Rabbit and she said she wanted to have my carrot. I thought that line was cute. She gave a very very nice BJ, CIM, stealthy towel spit. I tried to tip the girl but she would not accept it. She would not even touch it like it was coated with battery acid. She insisted on giving it to the girl in charge. Says she is not always there as she gets periodically gets barfined (400bf as I understand it). Usually she comes in at 4pm.

On my way out the toothless guy starts chatting me up again. Poor guy. His mouth and gums when he talked looked like the Matterhorn area of the Swiss Alps. Quite a sorry sight. Ok I have a few moments to fuk with him I guess. He gave me the full court press to follow him to places on the next street for pretty girls. 'cost nothing to look' he kept exclaiming. The street looked like a ghost town. He took me to a place called Lindas, up some stairs, then across the street to some Turkish themed place. Yes, very nice looking girls, though I never take girls unless I can inspect their sexy mid-section. I thanked him for his time and made my way back to my hotel for a short rest. Then Soi Cowboy.

Soi Cowboy looked like a zoo at about 8pm. I did my best. Started at Baccara. Many nice pretty light skinned girls, I got sat down surrounded by Japs. A few girls looking at me but no big deal. I went upstairs to the topless floor for my second drink. I have not seen so many girls with hacked up boob jobs. Anywhere. I was not feeling it so I left.

I went into Suzy Wong, interesting place. Bought one of the cuter blonds a drink. It was nothing but mercenary conversation so I let her go and left. I understand the place can get wild but not at this time. Then I went into Babydolls, more girls with butchered up boob jobs. Stayed for one drink. Nothing to talk about really. I entered one or two other places as well before entering Afterskool.

It did not take long before I was surrounded by 5 girls. I sat, bought one girl a drink, and selected one other to flank my right side. Decent looking girls in the face. 7.5 faces and 6. 9 bodies. The one on my right was especially good at making cute expressions as she kneaded my groin. Soon enough the three of us were migrated to naughty boys corner and the two girls got down there, blowing me while I sipped my beer. One girl came over and wanted to get in a few sucks for a drink. I thought that was funny. The girls just kept on working though. They would not let me CIM but I had a good time with them. I think I popped on the girls work top, LOL. I paid them off and soon enough the second girl starts working me again. So there I am with another boner while standing there, so I could not leave the bar right away. In retrospect they could have kept me there all night doing that.

Pretty soon it was midnight, I was hungry, back to the hotel for the night.

Nothing new. But Bangkok is pretty dam fun!

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1392058]Shock 39 is a filthy shithole. If you want freelance disco stick to Insanity (formerly Insomnia) or Scratchdogs (although its a mix and the girls tend to gravitate to the Asian mongers). Posiedon- I was never impressed with their talent and they slap on a 1K farang surcharge, you might want to try Long Beach's sister venues. I wouldn't call Nataree upscale but they got some nice looking young ones lol[/QUOTE]Ok scratch shock off the list. Is scratchdog on par with the likes of cm2 and spasso?

Yuck can't stand the surcharge. Does la belle do this as well? . If so, then ill def likely stick to the long beach group, as their model lineup last trip was tasty.

I will be in Bangkok in the middle of April and wonder where I can find slightly more mature middle aged ladies and slightly bigger built. I do not have a preference for skinny young ones and also accept the fact that Thais are not very big built. However even then there are some decently big built women and wonder where o find them Any suggestions will surly help.

Thanks

Gentleman,

A very warm greeting!

A couple months ago (November) I had the opportunity to visit BKK and indulge in the goods.

Fortunately, I had talked to a few of you before diving into the scene and gotten some great advice.

Unfortunately, my mind was being controlled my dick so everything I had learned was thrown into the shitter when it actually mattered.

I have a horrible memory and can only recall two days out of the four (truth be told, those were the only days I actually went out. Duty called).

[B]Day 1:[/B] Visit to DR. BJ's and wasn't able to meet personally, but his crew was quiet uptight. Perhaps due to my asian background, or perhaps cause I look fairly young. Wasn't quiet sure. But welcomed me and let all the ladies line up. I'm a boob guy. And when the ladies got in line, the only one who appealed to me was "Take's it Deep." Informed the man in charge, and he shooed the girls away and Take it Deep took the lead.

She gently smiled at me and was more then open and welcoming while we headed upstairs. She inquired whether it was my first, and promised me a good time. I asked what the +VIP was about, and she lifted up her eyebrow very coy like, and asked me if I were interested. I couldn't help but blurt,"doh. Yeah!" She then informed me we'd have to go next door if we were to do so, and said normally she doesn't do, but for a cutey such as myself she'd be happy to (good line. Got me smiling). We walked on over to Nuru's and took the first room on the third floor.

Now, TID has a very nice personality and she's really fun to talk with. I'll give her that. But lord. When she took off her bra. I was disappointing. A train wreck. However, her open mind and character let me easily forget the small flaw and we had a great time. Towards the end tipped her an extra 500 and walked out smiling.

Service: 9. 5.

Service Provided: Porn Star.

Body: 7 (due to her jacked up boob job).

Overall Impression: 9.

[B]Day 2:[/B] I really had a hard time finding the right streets and as much as I was interested in meeting streetwalkers, I really had no idea where to go. Ended up just walking out of the Radisson and eventually ended up in Soi Cowboy. Was giddy with delight! I really have a horrible memory, so I can't recall the bar names but the first one I walked into was towards the end and they had a dance floor on the first and second (second floor was smoking floor). From below (1st floor) , you could look up and see the ladies dancing and get a glimpse of their thongs and more if lucky. Grabbed a Cola (not a drinker) on the first and as I had a hard time finding a seat, walked up to the second and found myself a corner to relax. Now gentleman, I'm not ugly looking. In Korea I actually get talked up alot when hitting the club scenes but here the ladies just walked on by without a word. Was a bit sad. But kept enjoying myself and eventually honed in on a little cuty with a C cup. I kindly asked one of the waitresses to call her over and when she sat down next to me, we exchanged convo and eventually I asked her if she was into LT. Her first quote was 5, 000 and would not budge. Jesus! Asked if she would offer extras for that crazy amount (pics, anal, BBBJ, etc.) and nothing. I quickly smiled, told her it was a pleasure meeting her, and sent her on her way.

Second bar was quiet interesting. First floor was a amazon like theme bar while upstairs was a strip bar. All nude on the upper floor and the poles were set on round tables that was barely big enough to fit drinks on it while the girls were on top doing their thing. As my eyes adjusted to the darkness I noticed the ladies were all well over 35 and that doesn't really work for me (I'm around my mid 20's). Quickly walked out.

Third bar was one where the go-go girls were dressed like NY taxi-drivers. Sexy of course. Killed around 30 minutes their drinking coffee and a really foxy young thing caught my eye and kept eye-contact. As it didn't look like she was on the take-out menu I just kept smiling at her, but as time went by she kept on assisting me with small things such as when I needed a waitress to get me something but couldn't get their attention (she would shoo one my way). Around that time, it was 2:30AM so I decided to ask if she was available for grabs. Unfortunately no. But then introduced me to a sexy young lady named NUI and said she was ready to head out and lonely. She was a keeper from the looks. Best part. She spoke a bit of Korean and fluent enough in English. Giddy with happiness, I asked to barfine and headed out.

[B]My mistake[/B]. Didn't ask about what I was getting. Was quoted 2, 000 for ST and 4, 000 for LT and I just agreed to ST. We walked over to the Radisson and the whole way she tried to stay optimistic, but unfortunately, the 15 minute walk was killing her heels and she started whining towards the end. Whatever. I just kept thinking about what I was getting.

Once in the room, she removed her clothing and mine. We hurried into the shower and she started washing herself and cleaned me up. The whole time, little guy stood up in attention and Nui had a great time sucking him on and off to keep him interested. Once we dried off, finally got onto the bed. This is where I realized my mistakes. First, BBBJ. No touching below. No touching breasts. No kissing. No GFE. What a dissapointment. However, out of all the crazy stories I've read on this forum I was desperate to make this trip memorable as it was my last day. I asked if anal was available and pics and so forth and the price just kept getting higher and higher. Ended up jacking up 5, 000 for a really horrible session, quick and short anal session (5 minutes) , and 4 pics.

However, I have no one to blame but myself. Perhaps next time I can think a bit more before jumping into things.

Service: 5.

Service Provided: Below Amateur.

Body: 7.

Overall: 3.

Pictures of Nui available in the pic area.

So thus ends my report. I'll be headed back to BKK this coming month (March). If any of you were to have some advice for a newbie, such as where the best place to pick up some open minded street walkers + recommended bars in Soi please feel free to let me know. I'll be staying in the Radisson again.

Sorry about the long report and have a good one!

Met my Siemens girl at Terminal 21 yesterday and we went to the 5'th fl to eat. This is in the "San Francisco" part of the mall without me recognicing so much from Frisco, hehe. She turned out to be almost better than in pics as she stood almost 170cm above floor (adding in 3-5cm high heels) , slim and very business lookalike. I am weak for girls wearing glasses (must have been through some of my pre porn training, hehe). Sorry for beeing so positive as I hardly can remember I have been unsaticfied as in dating in Asia. Maby I am just lucky and knows how to pick them but I believe that mrs fortuna ease a beloved hand over me.

Nitcha turned out to be well outspoken, funny, girl. Decent english with some exp from earlier relationships mostly with foreign guys in her company. She tought them were pigs all together so I am extremely happy she met me. That beeing said I pretend as I have a glorie above my head. Rarerly have I ever been a bad boy. Well sometimes I tell ladies I was a bit of a womenlover when I was in my early twentees and they are mostly fine by that.

We did some eating at 5'th fl in Terminal 21 and then at around 8ish we hit a cab taking us to Tawandang German Brewery in Rama 4. We hit a bottle of whiskey and some fingerfood and she got suddenly drunk and very loveable. It is rare to make out with Thaigirl in public place but we did as a result of her drunkness I believe. She was all shy about this this early morning, hehe.

After heading from Tawandang to Grand President around 1am it took maby 10 minutes before we found ourself in bed ready for action. As she was 36yrs she ofcourse been through some sex before and I like that. I don't like dating a traditional thai virgin as it becomes more of a "do this and that" show rather than fucking. My Nitcha was maby not a squirter but fluids flooded out of her when I fingerfucked her. It felt great and I am very happy about this experience. I can not come to think of last time I have fucked so long, hard and intense as with this braud. If I called for a break (I have turned 40 and are not 30 anymore) then she started to blow me or wank me. Kissing was her passion. And horny she was. She had as agreed took the "today" off from work and we got out of bed at around 3pm. I lost counts in how many times I fucked but I feel drenched or al dried out. She left back for home a couple of hours ago. I will redo her several times before I head back to Norway Tuesday 5 of March. She is allready in my regular fleet phonebook. OMG. What a thrill. So TLL dates can turn out good as well and in this case exp from the wine and dining (as back home) this is no girl as in fucking for bucks. She is an 8 in looks and 9 in performance. The rest is a 10. Good girl. So they can be had. Ofcourse no photos of her as she is now an active regular member girl.

[QUOTE=Gen X Baer; 1392508]... Ended up jacking up 5, 000 for a really horrible session, quick and short anal session (5 minutes) , and 4 pics...[/QUOTE]Congratulations, well done. I hope you paid 10 times the asked rate also to the food vendors. Otherwise it won't be fair.

This story encourages me even more not to disclose the good places anymore. The only good point is that you reported about how not to do it.

[QUOTE=ShivaInForty;1392424]I will be in Bangkok in the middle of April and wonder where I can find slightly more mature middle aged ladies and slightly bigger built.[/QUOTE]Beer Garden, debated here not long, IE RTFF, Will give You some chances. Also some soapies like Annie's host a few not Young and not slip.

[QUOTE=Gen X Baer; 1392508]Gentleman,

A very warm greeting!

A couple months ago (November) I had the opportunity to visit BKK and indulge in the goods.

Fortunately, I had talked to a few of you before diving into the scene and gotten some great advice.

Unfortunately, my mind was being controlled my dick so everything I had learned was thrown into the shitter when it actually mattered.

Now, TID has a very nice personality and she's really fun to talk with. I'll give her that. But lord. When she took off her bra. I was disappointing. A train wreck. However, her open mind and character let me easily forget the small flaw and we had a great time. Towards the end tipped her an extra 500 and walked out smiling.

![/QUOTE]Formerly girl E at Annie's she has got an awful bob job and the result ha beenndebatednher a few Times. Even recently. Boob lover a should stay away from her as they Will be disappointed. Those tits should be returned to suegeon for warranty claim.

I arrive to BKKat3 pm on Friday and think about taking a cab to my hotel at Sukh soi 23. I have a dinner meeting with a girl set at 9 pm but since I haven't had sex for a long time (sigh) and since it won't be a sure thing anyway I'd like to have someone else first. What do you suggest close to my hotel or within a quick cab ride cause I don't have so many hours there. I plan to take a shower at the hotel so I don't prefer soapies, they take too much time anyway and I only want quick sex not else. I have RTFF but still don't know where to go, maybe some massage place? Any idea, I can then post a report.

[quote=pekkakoo;1392550]i arrive to bkkat3 pm on friday and think about taking a cab to my hotel at sukh soi 23. i have a dinner meeting with a girl set at 9 pm but since i haven't had sex for a long time (sigh) and since it won't be a sure thing anyway i'd like to have someone else first. what do you suggest close to my hotel or within a quick cab ride cause i don't have so many hours there. i plan to take a shower at the hotel so i don't prefer soapies, they take too much time anyway and i only want quick sex not else. i have rtff but still don't know where to go, maybe some massage place? any idea, i can then post a report.[/quote]there's a bunch of massage places down soi 23, but quality is hit or miss, usually more miss than hit. give dream heaven on 33 or any of the sexy massage places on 24/1 a peek, i'm sure you'll find something. if you don't care about quality you could try the beer garden, lots of elderly girls willing to service you on the cheap lol

[QUOTE=Pekkakoo;1392550]since it won't be a sure thing anyway I'd like to have someone else first. What do you suggest close to my hotel or within a quick cab ride cause I don't have so many hours there.[/QUOTE]

Many options:

Visit Annies. Not my cup of tea but you will get your rocks off [guaranteed two pops].

Visit one of the oilies on Soi 24, near Emporium. EZ, Mango, SnowWhite, take BTS or cab, easy to find. Do 1 or 2 hr session. All but EZ offer as multiple pops. Visit the Massage Parlor except Annies / Tulips on latest recommendations as things / girls turn-over.

Visit Tulips, one further BTS stop from Soi 24 - again multiple pops.

You will starving for food by the time you're finished :D

Was earlier this eve wondering around after my last night TLL date skipped the sceene due to my lying to her as in I had some business to attend to this eve. Hehe. Strolled by Dr BJ venue and decided to pop in. Friendly, clean place and girls looked decent to very good. Talked to "the man himself" (Dr BJ") and he is a friendly guy but he runs a business so he can not give away BJ's for free, hehe. So don't be to pushy against him ok. He is a simple bloke from UK and I would much more advice him to find you guys one or several of his nice going ladies crowd, LOL. I would as I am neutrual state that here you can get good value for money and good time.

I am just finished shower, will try to walk down to taxi and hit CM2 tonight. Lots of russians there but also a lot of Thai looking girls, hehe. Did not have any undecent encounteres today so nothing more to report. Hehe.

CM2 CM2 report follows.

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1392612]Talked to "the man himself" (Dr BJ") and he is a friendly guy but he runs a business so [b]he[/b] Can not give away BJ's for free, hehe.

CM2 CM2 report follows.[/QUOTE]I do hope HE does not give BJ, for free or for a cost! LMAO

Hi Guys,

Looking for a little advice from you BKK experts as it's 2nd time in Bangkok for 3 days later today, and last time was a shocker because we didn't have a clue really.

Read reports of distinction, thanks for those.

What we're after is some hot chicks with good performance, price isn't really an issue, just want to have fun and know what we're getting. .

Can go down Bangkokgoldescorts route, but would like to hit a few bars etc. Too.

Spasso sounds decent from what I've read, any other advice would be appreciated and me and a mate happy to meet for a beer to say thanks.

Any advice wanted on London, and UK scene, just let me know, tons of info as that's where I live.

[QUOTE=Gringo147; 1392713]Hi Guys,

Looking for a little advice from you BKK experts as it's 2nd time in Bangkok for 3 days later today, and last time was a shocker because we didn't have a clue really.

Read reports of distinction, thanks for those.

What we're after is some hot chicks with good performance, price isn't really an issue, just want to have fun and know what we're getting. .

Can go down Bangkokgoldescorts route, but would like to hit a few bars etc. Too.

Spasso sounds decent from what I've read, any other advice would be appreciated and me and a mate happy to meet for a beer to say thanks.

Any advice wanted on London, and UK scene, just let me know, tons of info as that's where I live.[/QUOTE]If you're okay with the cost, I strongly recommend Bangkok Gold. Email Goldie or call her husband who speaks perfect English and tell them what you want. They really do provide good service and their girls are great. Compared to the cost of a VIP London escort you get great value. Looks, personality and great sex (GFE or PSE as you prefer.)

For Gogo bars go to Dave the Raves website.

[url]http://www.davetheravebangkok.com/[/url]

Dave is a well respected bar manager who provides excellent up to date unbiased reviews of the Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy Gogo bars.

Spasso is a nice more upscale club, but I wouldn't pick up a free lancer there. The ladies there want too much. Go to Nana Liquid in the Nana Hotel close to Nana Plaza or Club Climax on Soi 11 in the Ambassador Hotel instead. Go to these a little before 2am (just before the bars close) , grab a good seat with a view and wait till the bar girls come in after the bars close. Be prepared to move fast. As soon as you spot a girl you like grab her and close the deal before someone else gets her. Some of the FLs at Spasso will show up at these venues and will be available for far less than they would ask for at Spasso.

I also recommend you hit the MPs. I think you have better odds of getting good sex from an MP girl than a bar girl. The forum's three MP threads provide lots of information about the venues and specific girls.

Not a great experience unfortunately. I entered to be met with a blank stare after I asked about busty girls. Strange as surely the circus act behind the desk should be able to spout off some basic answers! Staff training an issue?

Had a look at the 'tank', which is so small they are almost crammed in like sardines, and decided to pass. I am not trying to be funny but the talent is not even worthy of a penny. Not for me and I will not be back.

[QUOTE=Tiger 888; 1392531]Congratulations, well done. I hope you paid 10 times the asked rate also to the food vendors. Otherwise it won't be fair.

This story encourages me even more not to disclose the good places anymore. The only good point is that you reported about how not to do it.[/QUOTE]Wow, looks like someone's started the day wrong.

Listen, I mentioned I paid too much and it was all due to my immaturity. I'll be sure to pick up and read all your excellent posts and amazing nights in regards to your first visit in a new country and learn from you.

Looks like the Bangkok page has one fella who's been feeling the weight of his wallet and instead of guiding and helping fellow mongers in a new area, and just wants to keep all the hookers to himself! LOL!

Lighten up! Probably not from you, but with the guidance of others I'll learn and quickly operate how everyone does it in BKK. Thanks for the kind words.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1392517]First thing is you need way more time to explore.

I'm of the opinion giving you specific advice on where to go is useless. Everyone is not same same.

Seeing you do like anal I'm sure youll get a lot of info here on where to get it. LOL.[/QUOTE]I must admit, anal is something that intrigues me. Not alot of girls in Korea are open to it.

I'll be sure to search and try and recon way more before heading out this time per your advice. If you have any more advice, please feel free to let me know. I'll be more then happy to rtf should you come my way

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1392624]I do hope HE does not give BJ, for free or for a cost! LMAO[/QUOTE]He he you funny man. But as earlier stated he is a realy nice bloke. His place was even pretty busy as customer tended to pop in and out me sitting in the bar shipping a few alcoholic beverages. I was surprised of the group of nice looking girls at his place having a rather stigmatized view upon ladies working in venues like this. I was surprised in the upper scale of my stigma.

He told me a little bit of this and thats as he knows his way around BKK atleast when it comes to our great hobby (which I take seriously in a humoristic matter). I tried to brief him in my kind of nightclubs mongering. It is nice to share some info so we all can expand our mongering huntinggrounds.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1392698]And you wanted us to believe you found a good girl. LOL.

She good at playing the game.

Good for her maybe she is good as she doesn't like liars.[/QUOTE]And Harold444 we specificaly debated you last night as you have a certain way of writings making us think "yes" you probably have been to 1 or 2 go go in NEP. But Myself I am thinking you are sitting in your room back home in the states (or somewhere else where english is fairly known) watching out so your mother does not catch you (atleast not with a 3 hardned boner in your hands, hehe, would be a disaster). I don't get you but lately you have atleast some, almost close to meaningful reports, which you lacked big time some months ago.

Would be nice to read one or two great FR's from you as well and not just this commenting others. I take great pride in what I do when I monger and I treat girls nice (as in respect, behaviour and cleanliness aso). We respect you as well Harold444 but you have to come up with something useful to at times ok?

Oh well about 2 hrs ago my last night spinner had to go do her laundry in On Nut. It was an intence session lasting so long as I am all worned out now writing this. Once again I feel lucky meeting up with this chick. She was a giver and very GFE.

After my Dr BJ meeting, I headed back to Grand President, for quick cleaning of extremities. Shipped a few vodkas and redbulls and dived into a taxi to CM2. The place was packied with foreigners and sexwice ladies as well. Only a few Thaispinners present. I believe this is more and more turning into a foreign place pickupjoint and no critisism given from my side of the road. I see the benefits having an almost "clean" place where people can meet people who are not Thais. I spoke to a couple of Stanis girls (I believe most of them are from almost everywhere else except from mother Russia itself, but I did not dive into it to hard investigationwice). Did not feel the urge to pick up one out of the Stanis so I gave my Absolute bottle away to a table catered by Thaigirls. They looked quite lost by the way as people last night seem to look for foreign girlsexaction and not Thai. Prices quoted to me (even if I told I don't want to discuss price upfront) was in the range from 3. 8K LT.

I headed back to my regular huntinggrounds at Climax. Telling the staffs I wanted a nice quite tall spinner (beeing aroused by my Siemens girl) and they brought me Pim. 32yrs. 165cm and extremely friendly (it turned out). In the beginning she was a bit reluctant as she stated she had to go back to her farrang boyfriend. But as we talked it seemd she had some thoughts about him cheating on her. I told her some nice stories, to highlight myself, as in "most guys will cheat" so you are prob right in your believes, hehe. Well we started drinking a bottle of Whiskey and she got realy drunk. Then all about languageissues turn to be not present as we did communicate in a drunken state quite nicely. I popped the normal question as in she come with me and she sait yes.

2 minutes later we left the bottle and headed off to Grand President. Wow, wow and wow. This girl was great (I am so lucky and I simply don't know why). My only problem was I was to shitfaced so the last I remember was me and her making adultbusiness in the livingrooms sofa. I remember I tried hard to stuff my junior into her ass but lubication or not it would simply not fit. Next I know is waking up not so many hours ago in the bed with her slepping next to me. When she felt I was starting to come alive again her hand quicly attacked my junior. And from that point and out we made everything possible and I fucked her quite hard (and gentle at times). Her juices created some nice flooding into my bed. Pussyjuice is ok but when you have a regular coming over in not so many hours. Housekeeping tend to become more important, hehe.

She was atleast a 3 holer, no did not excist in this girls vocabulary, so it was just staying creative and everything was possible. I don't do like SM and wetsex but I can hardly believe she would say no. All in all a very good session, I have no control of how many poppings except I shut my last load into her (and that was maby not my finest hour of mongering but it arrived all to sudden so I did not have chance to retract myself). I told her "I am sorry" and she replied no prob as she would just stop by a pharmacy bying herself a regretmentpill.

I put 3, 2K in her purse. Did not see she looked for it but atleast she will find them money I am sure. Great night. Tonight it is rendevouz with Siemens girl. We take the Scirocco / Lebua route and also foods at Indigo restaurants (Silom). From our communications so far today she allready seems horny.

Stay safe and monger hard.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1392534]Beer Garden, debated here not long, IE RTFF, Will give You some chances. Also some soapies like Annie's host a few not Young and not slip.[/QUOTE]Thanks Bionicman for your lead. I will surely explore and will write a report on my return. Thanks once again for your help.

Regards.

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1392804]snip.

Would be nice to read one or two great FR's from you as well and not just this commenting others. I take great pride in what I do when I monger and I treat girls nice (as in respect, behaviour and cleanliness aso). We respect you as well Harold444 but you have to come up with something useful to at times ok?[/QUOTE]That's a great pep talk. I DO enjoy your FR's and your attitude about this hobby Skogis. I'm guessing that H444 is the son of Bionicman and therefore you will never, not ever, see a field report from him. If I'm wrong, let me know and I'll remove him from "Ignorant List"

There will never be a shortage of mongers that are jack asses and no doubt he meets his fair share of them. Even if a blow job cost 6 pennies the same clods would ask for a price break. It is just the nature of the beast.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1392612]Talked to "the man himself" (Dr BJ") and he is a friendly guy but he runs a business so he can not give away BJ's for free, hehe. So don't be to pushy against him ok.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=George300;1383494]I'll be coming to Bangkok for the first time in March. My flight lands at like 1150pm. Trying to figure out where to get a girl when I get to my hotel real late. After customs, and taxi to hotel, ill prolly get to the airport like 2am'ish right? I'm staying at the marriott next to nana plaza. The gogos are closed that time no? What are my choices in that area at that time? Just girls on street? Any agencies or MP open? Searching the forums for as much info as I can find, I'm so exicted![/QUOTE]George, if you are in Pattaya the next few days, and if you haven't got it all sussed, buy me a small beer in the beergarden and I will explain it all to you. Just take a deep breath first, and slow down.

[QUOTE=George300;1383494]I'll be coming to Bangkok for the first time in March. My flight lands at like 1150pm. Trying to figure out where to get a girl when I get to my hotel real late. After customs, and taxi to hotel, ill prolly get to the airport like 2am'ish right? I'm staying at the marriott next to nana plaza. The gogos are closed that time no? What are my choices in that area at that time? Just girls on street? Any agencies or MP open? Searching the forums for as much info as I can find, I'm so exicted![/QUOTE]Hey George,

If you will be in BKK during the first March Weekend lets meet up and explore options. This is my second trip, first time round I tried all the bars, bars girls etc but this time I want to stick to MP's based on recommendations although if I do hook up with a sexy bar girl who am I to deny. I am at On 8 Hotel Soi 8, Friday 8 and Saturday 9 leave Sunday.

[QUOTE=Ehunter;1392851]There will never be a shortage of mongers that are jack asses and no doubt he meets his fair share of them. Even if a blow job cost 6 pennies the same clods would ask for a price break. It is just the nature of the beast.[/QUOTE]As just to verify, as I get some comments around this sentence, Dr BJ himself does not give BJ's hehe, that I hope the more and less bright ISG crowd would notice as I wrote it with a bit humorostic twist ok?

But his girls would be more than happy too.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;1392830]That's a great pep talk. I DO enjoy your FR's and your attitude about this hobby Skogis. I'm guessing that H444 is the son of Bionicman and therefore you will never, not ever, see a field report from him. If I'm wrong, let me know and I'll remove him from "Ignorant List"[/QUOTE]I don't think you have to worry anyday soon, Crazy. Herold is just Herold and I can nothing but to have a jolly good giggle at him sometimes. I will let you know if I see sth useful in his postings, hehe.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1392624]I do hope HE does not give BJ, for free or for a cost! LMAO[/QUOTE]I'm Scottish, I don't give anything for free (with the exception of field reports). I could be open to the right offer. Wink wink!

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Ehunter;1392851]There will never be a shortage of mongers that are jack asses and no doubt he meets his fair share of them. Even if a blow job cost 6 pennies the same clods would ask for a price break. It is just the nature of the beast.[/QUOTE]Very wise words Sir. The vast majority of customers I deal with are really straight shooters, but this being Bangkok there are a fair amount of chancers. One of the more creative ruses I have come across is "give me a one hour Nuru massage for 1, 500 baht (the price is 2, 000) and I will bring four friends here tomorrow". Very easily dealt with, I tell them to pay the 2, 000 baht and when they bring their four friends the following day I will refund him the 500 baht provided he takes another lady himself. Usual response is a slightly mystified look followed by a less appealing counter offer.

It's all good fun really. One other response is that I tell customers we don't give discount on the particular day it happens be. I am very surprised how readily this is accepted.

Regards,

BJ

yesterday i made my way to pattaya. checkout time at the grand president bkk was high noon. i left my bags at the concierge so i could make a second trip to sol, get lunch and cab it to the bus station. so i will start posting in the pattaya threads starting tomorrow.

i posted about my first visit to sol, i think yesterday, with my good experience with rabbit. well, today she was not there. in her place was this tiny little cutie with yellow blondish hair almost to mid-back. i would say. 5ft tall. 80lbs, or less than 40kilos. she has a nice little rig on her too! i think she was photo-ed some time back on a different website. i won't re-post it here though. things like that tend to ruin things or change the dynamic of what she is doing. don't ask me where the photo is either. i won't respond. i will only say of all the photos out there, select the one that has the cutest girl showing. that be her. rates a 9 on the cuteness scale. 7.8 body. says she is 27yo but looks 12 years younger. yes, you read this right and her i'd proves it.

pen is as cute as a button. her personality is gfe but will do anything you want. she tells me her and rabbit are roommates and she has been at sol for years! there was also a third girl there lurking with long black hair that is also do-able, but maybe another day.

for some reason pen suggested we go into the bathroom even while the place was empty. i went with the flow as i never had a look at the bathroom. i will tell you, that is one place you will never find the queen of england. they maintain a little bench seat the shape of a triangle where the 90deg side goes into the corner wall immediately opposite the sink. so if u-turned around while facing the sink the bench is only 2 feet away. i can't believe how these girls kneel down with their bare knees on that disgusting floor to slob away on your knob.

verdict is, pen is a winner. just like her roommate! she has this head corkscrewing action going on when moving up and down on your dick. that is, when in deep, she twists her head from left to right during the upstroke. ten reps like this and she changes up to jack hammering the back of her throat. she is good at changing up her speed too. i am not trying to compete with any penthouse reviews. but man i really enjoyed her. i sat down to finish my drink and she was trying to coax me into waiting for rabbit to come into work in 3 hours for real special two girl service. but i can't! i have to be on the bus to pattaya. grrrrr.

btw- pen says she is naturally hairless, away from her head that is, even in the obvious private area. i did not know there were people like that.

so i like a girl to blow me like she is getting angry revenge on her boyfriend. no sterilized special chairs, just a pure sluttyness while being spontaneous. hey, dr bj. you reading this? you know it is a matter of time before i stop in right? ha ha ha

anyway, after, i told pen i needed to go for lunch. she said it was her break time so i asked her along. she took me to a thai place, far from fancy on their main road. lunch for two cost about 150bhat! after we parted ways. i picked up my bags at the hotel and cab-ed it to the bus terminal. it was a 2:45min painful 145bhat bus ride. i could not stop thinking about me not-waiting later for rabbit to come into work. oh well. i will be back in bkk next week.

i am writing this info while patts now but the rest belongs on the other thread.

[QUOTE=Ehunter;1392895]So I like a girl to blow me like she is getting angry revenge on her boyfriend. No sterilized special chairs, just a pure sluttyness while being spontaneous. Hey, Dr BJ. You reading this? You KNOW it is a matter of time before I stop in right? ha ha ha[/QUOTE]I certainly am reading this. No worries, I take it in the jovial spirit it is intended. Sluttyness or seedie surroundings works for some people. I have had people tell me they did not enjoy the Salon because it was too clean and hygienic for them. That's cool by me, I understand where they are coming from. I will accept your challenge. Call ahead to make sure Consultant EE is working before to go to the Salon. The deal is that if she is as slutty as you say you enjoy you will put a glowing report on this forum, agreed?

Regards,

BJ

I was in After Skool, just sat down, got my drink and this fat, ugly woman sits on the stool next to me and starts touching me and talking away. I try to ignore her but she keeps at it. Pretty soon she says you buy me Tequila and lady drink, OK. I say no. Suddenly they both show up as does the bill. I said to the server I did not order those and am not paying for them. If she keeps on bothering me I am leaving. The bill, drinks and woman suddenly disappeared.

Curious, does this scam usually work? I have seen a lot of wormy guys here. Are they so spineless that they put up with it?

Speaking about discounts. Is there any massage shop / bar / whatever with some discount for repeating costumers?

Mango had something like that when they first opened with a card to collect stamps and get a free massage after 10 times or so.

[QUOTE=George300;1383494]I'll be coming to Bangkok for the first time in March. My flight lands at like 1150pm. Trying to figure out where to get a girl when I get to my hotel real late. After customs, and taxi to hotel, ill prolly get to the airport like 2am'ish right? I'm staying at the marriott next to nana plaza. The gogos are closed that time no? What are my choices in that area at that time? Just girls on street? Any agencies or MP open? Searching the forums for as much info as I can find, I'm so exicted![/QUOTE]George, you have plenty of time if you play it smart. I also land at that time on one of the US carriers from Narita and often stay at the JW. I am usually on a bar stool by a bit past one with plenty of time for fun. Here are some tips:

1. Get your ass off the plane as fast as possible. If possible choose a seat near the door and on the left side for quicker deplaning.

2. Once off the plane, walk very quickly to Immigration, look for the signs. It can be a long walk and you can pass a lot of people, thus saving time at Immigration which is the worst bottleneck standing between you and your ultimate goal: getting to a bar with a cold drink and a beautiful Thai girl! Obviously, don't stop to shop at Duty Free either!

3. There are 3 immigration lobbies in Suvarnabhumi, although not all 3 are open all the time. If the lobby you go into first has super long lines (maybe more than 10 or 15 per line) , go check out the next one. While walking down the big wide corridor with the immigration signs that go to the left, you can see the other lobbies.

4. Once thru Immigration, look for the sign that shows which belt your bags are coming in on. Then find an ATM, there are many in baggage claim. Get your Thai baht now to save time. Key Tip: take money in an amount that ends in 900 baht, e. G. 5900 baht. 8900 baht. 11900 baht. That way you have some smaller bills for the taxi and you're not stuck with all 1000 baht notes when you go out.

5. Hopefully, you are now waiting for your bag. I usually take a dump in one of the baggage claim restrooms at this time too, saving another 5 minutes later. Sorry if that's TMI.

6. Once you get you bag, proceed thru Customs, don't even look at the Customs guys, just walk thru. You do NOT have to put your bag on the belt to go thru the machine; if people are queued up to do that, just walk past them.

7. Once thru Customs you enter the Arrivals Lobby, one of the more poorly designed parts of the airport as it's narrow and crowded. Make a right turn out of Customs and follow the signs for "Public Taxi". BTW, ignore ALL the touts in the airport trying to get you to use their taxies. My experience is they are not necessarily faster (sometimes you wait) and they are 2-3x as much.

8. You see the sign for 'Public Taxi' directing you to go down one level to the where the taxis are. Go down the moving ramp and keep looking for the Public Taxi signs. Exit the airport through the right revolving doors, and you'll see a bunch of desks set up by the curb with lines in front of them, they are usually not long. Choose the shortest and when you get to the front, tell the girl you want to go to the "JW Marriott on Sukhumvit". Don't just say "Marriott" or you might end up at the wrong hotel. A taxi driver will walk up, and she'll give him a price of paper and one to you also. Just stuff it in your pocket.

9. When you get into the taxi, tell the driver again where you are going and also tell him: "Expressway" and "Tollway" and hand him 100 baht. Passengers are responsible for paying tolls and the total is 70 baht. He should give you 30 baht change before you arrive (after he pays the last toll). If they don't, I ask them in Thai why they didn't and give them a shitty tip, but 95% of the time they give it to me without asking. Don't try to be cheap and not give him toll money, if he suspects you might stiff him on tolls, he may get off the expressway and take surface streets, adding valuable time to your commute into the city.

10. You will arrive at the JW maybe 30 minutes later if (a) he's fast, (b.) traffic is light, (c.) he goes the right way taking the U-Turn and not Soi 3. There's not much you can do though. Just wait. When you arrive at the JW you owe him the meter PLUS 50 baht for the airport surcharge, plus tip. I usually have huge heavy bags and if the guy is cool I usually just give 300. The meter will be about 220 or so.

11. Don't let the bell boys take your luggage, unless you make them promise to go with you and tell them you are in a hurry. I know them all so they know I am in a hurry and they follow me up the elevator. If you let the bell boy take your bag and he disappears, it may take awhile before he shows up in your room with your bag. Obviously, you have to check in now too. If you have been fast, you will beat most of the passengers coming in from the airport to the hotel and the check in lines will be short.

12. Once in your room, just get your shower and other stuff done and get your ass out the door to Nana. I actually usually go to Soi Cowboy my first night. Even with the late 11:50 arrival, it is possible to be on a barstool easily by 1:15. Remember that after 2:30AM when the bars close, there is action in the parking lot area outside of Nana Plaza and along Sukhumvit at the street bars. The JW is very GF friendly and you will see a steady parade of guests with dates in the late evening. ID checks are not required.

The instructions above are based on a lot of trips, I do it almost every month. In fact I am at LAX right now and will be executing the plan above in about 22 hours! Best of luck.

[QUOTE=Dr BJ;1392891]One of the more creative ruses I have come across is "give me a one hour Nuru massage for 1, 500 baht (the price is 2, 000) and I will bring four friends here tomorrow". Very easily dealt with, I tell them to pay the 2, 000 baht and when they bring their four friends the following day I will refund him the 500 baht provided he takes another lady himself. Usual response is a slightly mystified look followed by a less appealing counter offer.[/QUOTE]I like your style. Somebody offers you a lead pipe dream and you turn it back around on him.

I actually have integrity issues with those kinds of people. What kind of guy uses his friends so that only 'he' gets discounted? It is just a preview into his character, and your approach deals with that wonderfully. Yes, as you say, all good fun.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1392947]Someone make sure Goatscot is sitting down in his rocking chair.

Rainbow 2 and 4 have raised drink prices 10 baht to 155. Lady drink 150 baht.

Good lord almighty.

I'm guessing pretty much a non-event here as majority don't go to the Rainbows'. Maybe just me and the 1000s of staisfied customers every week.

Really, they should have gone higher, I doubt they lose 1 customer because of 10 baht. The customer will just tip dek serves less.

When it was 145 I give 200 and keep the change. Ill probably do the same now. LOL.

Coins are just a pain in the azz![/QUOTE]Rocking chair? Man, I am barely middle aged. I have just lived here a long time. But no, I won't pay that for a watered down drink or a bad local beer in a bar that plays awful music with daughters of farmers with 6th grade "edumacations" who want 2k baht for a 30 min ST, well unless they can gargle with my emission while singing Fly Me To The Moon. Last night we went to our new favorite watering hole in Bangkok. Had three amazing US craft beers. Each was 90 baht (yes, you read that right 90 baht) , so with tip 300 baht for three great beers. Can't beat that. Had an oily the day before; two pops, three holer, rimmed like a starving sea lamprey, and 2100 baht, so no need to "get the white out" last night. Just enjoyed hanging with friends.

[QUOTE=Pablo;1392992]5. Hopefully, you are now waiting for your bag. I usually take a dump in one of the baggage claim restrooms at this time too, saving another 5 minutes later. Sorry if that's TMI.[/QUOTE]Dammit, you gave away my system for getting through Swampy and arguably did me one better. I usually take a dump on the plane and never pack so much that I have to check in luggage. Always do carry-on and that saves about 30-45 minutes.

[QUOTE=Dr BJ;1392910]Sluttyness or seedie surroundings works for some people.[/QUOTE]I won't speak for others, but for me the BJ venue can turn boring quickly unless there are things to try and vary the experience.

Your "uniqueness" is a clean controlled environment with a nurse / consultant twist. [This is more creative than most I think. One thing escapes me though regarding the 'clean' part. Is it that important to people to be so squeaky clean in their surroundings then turn around and get blown condomless? Most likely I am missing something or maybe that theme gets blown out of proportion when showing the model girls in sterile white nurse uniforms ans assuming you would be getting that sterile clean setting]

SOLs "uniqueness" is seedy, spontaneous and out in the open if you want it.

All other venues are somewhere in between but what does not vary much is the actual sex act. I had service in germany where the establishment offered interesting add-ons such as a jigger of whiskey (or booze of your choice) in your mouth just before you popped. They gave it a creative name in german I never remembered. When I tried it, it really sent a dizzying pleasure wave through my body at climax. (why is it always the germans!) Why I have not seen this elsewhere, I don't know, but it would be so easy to implement and expand ones business menu. Me being enticed to try the different service variations would pull me back to the venue much sooner than else wise. So you make a tad more on booze, the customers gets a different experience to talk about with his buddies so there is also additional word of mouth advertising built in which I would consider huge.

Something more extravagant would be to 'theme' the whole experience, add a kink feel with different uniforms giving the boys something else of interest to chat / compare. I know this requires the layout of capital, but then again, giving the boys something else to chat about pays dividends.

Me not knowing the business like you there are probably reasons these things are not done. If the business aint broke, don't fix it, and I completely understand that too. Just trying to inject more 'fun' into the scene and that is really what this is all about.

[QUOTE=Dr BJ;1392910]The deal is that if she is as slutty as you say you enjoy you will put a glowing report on this forum, agreed?[/QUOTE]Of course I would. We would have to put up with occasional sour posters that are against an owner leveraging the form. But hey, I am a member, and here I am 'seemingly' leveraging YOU for MY own benefit. No one is keeping them from doing the same so they should shut the hell up.

I will let you know when I am in the neighborhood.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;1392830]That's a great pep talk. I DO enjoy your FR's and your attitude about this hobby Skogis. I'm guessing that H444 is the son of Bionicman and therefore you will never, not ever, see a field report from him. If I'm wrong, let me know and I'll remove him from "Ignorant List"[/QUOTE]Are you looking for the juicy tales or for some information on ISG? Once you read a FR as the lat from Skogys, no blame on him for doing that, it is fine, how can it help you in mongering? From that point of view, should be sufficient to say that in Club XY you can meet a girl who delivers (the 3-holer referral) , maybe reluctant at the beginning (the cheating on bf part) , gives a morning wake up and she is happy about some money. That is what is needed to know, the rest is somehow irrelevant (but, again, I don't blame Skogys for what he writes) or, as many asks, how certain clubs, bars, soapies etc work. I am always wondering how many ISG readers to happen to meet the same girl mentioned here (apart a few girls of the most famous oilies or soapies) , especially FL's. YMMV is a true statement, so it does not make sense to me to report much specific on a FR. The feeling of the scene can be given and acquired in a different way than writing or reading the juicy stories. At the end of the day what the questions are here?"I arrive 2 am and wondering where to pick up a girl nearby my hotel in Soi 2","how many pops do I get in Annie's?". And these are some of the easy ones. Will a detailed FR give these guys the feedback (RTFF is an option but they didn't do that, eventually)? Or maybe just a reply as "walk out of JWM, head to Nana Car Park and you will find a FL till 7am, at 2am gogo's will close and the girls will invade the streets ready for a take away"? Will that guy find the "spinner" reported in full details four days before or will he find "his spinner" or "his bad experience" there and no trace of the other cutie reported the day before? Annie's is known to have a few tens of ladies working there, a few are visible in their website, maybe a dozen as a whole has been reported here. Do you think the other have no business then because no Juicy report? Once the format of how a place works has been written here, and resumed from time to time in brief, what's the point in describing whether the girl was shaved to baby skin, and so on, and so on.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1392872]As just to verify, as I get some comments around this sentence, Dr BJ himself does not give BJ's hehe, that I hope the more and less bright ISG crowd would notice as I wrote it with a bit humorostic twist.[/QUOTE]That was pretty much clear but it seems the same humoristic twist did not hit all.

Sometime people gets too serious in here and they can't get the fun part of a forum

[QUOTE=Ehunter; 1393084]I like your style. Somebody offers you a lead pipe dream and U-turn it back around on him.

I actually have integrity issues with those kinds of people. What kind of guy uses his friends so that only 'he' gets discounted.[/QUOTE]I liked that line too, and most likely the guy didn't come back to take the offer as it is hard for him to have friends, the way he apparently wants to take advantage of them. I am always wondering what kind of salaries are these guys on, how they deal with their employer or their customers. Are they cheap Charlie's in their income too, do they work on low cost basis?

Some days ago I was at the Nana hotel car park at about 8pm.

There were already quite a lot of girls around.

Since a couple of years I noticed a small group of girls there who is made of mostly of cute and young spinners. I approached them back then but I was put off by the asking price (1500) and the fact that they are deaf.

This time I decided to give it a try and picked up one (very very slim, cute face).

Sadly the service was very much starfish like (she just lay down with her eyes closed). No BJ at all. She allowed kissing with a bit of tongue.

On a side note, she had a very very short shower (10 seconds) and she not clean her mouth at all.

Lately this happens more often to me. I remember when I used to be a tourist in BKK (3-4 years ago) every girl would bring a toothbrush with her and she would take good care of showering herself.

Cheers for the info Paul.

Did have Bangkokgold booked, but then had to cancel as Nan was on her period (very odd, I know lots of escorts that take medication to stop periods for obvious reasons). Nan was my friend's choice, so I cancelled Lee and said I'd rebook next day.

However, I called to cancel first and no answer, so emailed Goldie and no reply. Then decided to book whoever was available later that night about 10pm and again no answer to the number, about 5 times and definitely called the right number. No idea what was going on and disappointed as I know these girls are top notch.

I'll check out that website. I quite like the sound of Dr BJ's place too, I'd take a good BJ over a ride most days of the week but has to be cim at the end, that's the best bit. Not interested in seedy places, which Star of Light sounds like with everyone getting noshed off around you, errrm, no ta.

Anyway, ended up going down Soi Cowboy and Baccara (about 11. 30) amongst other places, but as my mate doesn't drink and I do, a few beers and about 12 JD's had effectively taken it's toll (heat seems to double the effect, as I can drink plenty) by around 2. 30 and I was good for no riding by that stage. Red Bull Reggie decided to jog on and go in search of a ride, while I collapsed on my bed and woke up with 2 full bags. .

About 9. 30pm earlier, we went into Annies, but wasn't overly impressed with what was on display and it just felt a very cold atmosphere and the boss being quite pushy, so I wasn't about to hand over my readies there. I've been to Darling 1 and Darling 2 in Macau and they both make Annies look [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] poor to be honest, in attitude, quality of girls and well everything.

Still bemused what happened with Bangkok Gold, surely I can't be blacklisted for cancelling?

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1392719]If you're okay with the cost, I strongly recommend Bangkok Gold. Email Goldie or call her husband who speaks perfect English and tell them what you want. They really do provide good service and their girls are great. Compared to the cost of a VIP London escort you get great value. Looks, personality and great sex (GFE or PSE as you prefer.)

For Gogo bars go to Dave the Raves website.

[url]http://www.davetheravebangkok.com/[/url]

Dave is a well respected bar manager who provides excellent up to date unbiased reviews of the Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy Gogo bars.

Spasso is a nice more upscale club, but I wouldn't pick up a free lancer there. The ladies there want too much. Go to Nana Liquid in the Nana Hotel close to Nana Plaza or Club Climax on Soi 11 in the Ambassador Hotel instead. Go to these a little before 2am (just before the bars close) , grab a good seat with a view and wait till the bar girls come in after the bars close. Be prepared to move fast. As soon as you spot a girl you like grab her and close the deal before someone else gets her. Some of the FLs at Spasso will show up at these venues and will be available for far less than they would ask for at Spasso.

I also recommend you hit the MPs. I think you have better odds of getting good sex from an MP girl than a bar girl. The forum's three MP threads provide lots of information about the venues and specific girls.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Harold444;1392947]Someone make sure Goatscot is sitting down in his rocking chair.Rainbow 2 and 4 have raised drink prices 10 baht to 155. Lady drink 150 baht.[/QUOTE]THE BASTARDS! Thank's for the heads up H. That is the last straw for me, never going back to these places. So after paying 2, 500 for ST, plus lets say 3 drinks for me and the lady. 915 baht they think they can get away with expecting me to pay 60 baht more. That's simply taking the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]. I just can't afford the extra cost.

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Gringo147;1393150]Still bemused what happened with Bangkok Gold, surely I can't be blacklisted for cancelling?[/QUOTE]I don't think so. A couple of weeks ago I sent them an email with some questions about their rates and the girls. It took more then 2 weeks for a reply. Last week I made a booking for next weekend via their website and got a reply after nearly one week. But unfortunately it wasn't a confirmation but just a message that she will check out the availability of my girl. And so I'm till waiting.

The confusing thing about this is, that until last year I always got a reply within 24 hours.

What's the story tonight by the way guys?

I'm hearing everything is closed? Is that restaurants, bars, everything?

[QUOTE=Gringo147; 1393226]What's the story tonight by the way guys?

I'm hearing everything is closed? Is that restaurants, bars, everything?[/QUOTE]I have just been informed by one of the owners of a go-go in Nana that both Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy will definitely be closed on Saturday night (March 2). Nana will be open for business on Sunday, which is handy as Skogis asked me to take him round Nana on Sunday night. So Skogis if you are reading this we are still on for Sunday night. The police cannot supply accurate info on whether Nana will be selling alcohol on Sunday or at what time. Welcome to Thailand! Strikers bar, Annies and any others which are considered within the auspices of the Raj-Ah hotel will be selling booze on Saturday and Sunday.

As far as I know restaurants will be open but whether they will sell alcohol is another matter.

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Gringo147; 1393226]What's the story tonight by the way guys?

I'm hearing everything is closed? Is that restaurants, bars, everything?[/QUOTE]It's election weekend.

[QUOTE=Zauberfee;1393236]It's election weekend.[/QUOTE]Yeah that I know, but everything is closed all weekend? Not even Bangkok Gold is answering the phone.

It seems like there are a lot of fellows coming to Bangkok with money burning a hole in their pockets so here is a deal for you. Two nights ago I went into a gogo bar in Nana Plaza with a friend. At some point he calls a cute girl over to sit with him and in the introductory comments she says she is 18. After a drink or two she leans over to him to whisper her offer. I think it is for 3, 000 baht which strikes me as a little high as cute as she appears. Her English is not good and so there is some confusion as he tries to bargain her down to 2, 000 baht. Eventually the mamasan comes over to explain and keeps putting up three fingers so again I assume she is asking for a trifecta. Then he leans over to me and says no, she is asking for 30, 000 baht. She is selling her virginity. But wait no; we both misunderstand, it's not 30, 000 baht, it's 300, 000 baht and the mamasan explains that this is a discount from the typical 500, 000 baht price tag for going where no man has gone before. I wanted to see something doctor certified but it was not forthcoming and at any rate between the two of us all we had was about 10, 000 baht. Maybe we could rub her feet for that amount. We also calcualted that it would take about 15 days of ATM withdrawals to get up to 300, 000 baht. So we had to pass on it and leave the honor up to another chivilrous hearty fellow who wants to finance her family to I assume a very nice piece of land up in Issan. Any one else had this opportunity thrust upon them?

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1393248]she is asking for 30, 000 baht. She is selling her virginity. But wait no; we both misunderstand, it's not 30, 000 baht, it's 300, 000 baht[/QUOTE]She keeps putting up 3 fingers? LOL, actually that's the amount of short terms she's doing that night.

I have to admit I do love BJ's over a ride, it's just my thing. A good ride now and again too, but BJ's with cim and the electric shock sensation at the end send me into paradise.

Bearing in mind, I've had a few dozen escorts over the years and some are different class at BJ's. I have to seriously recommend Dr BJ's Salon.

I nearly always go down the escort route that has great reviews about BJ / cim, ie Lee at Bangkok Gold (if they ever answer the bloody phone again. 8 times without answer now).

An hour ago went to [url]http://bjbarbangkok.com[/url] With a lot of scepticism to be honest, because it's very cheap and I'm a great believer in "you get what you pay for".

We had a line up of about 10 girls, no rushing, great warm welcome, a few giggles as we're discussing who to pick. I picked "Kan", who on my first glance, seemed a bit moody and my 2nd glance, but she's quite pretty and I think the moodyness isn't moody at all, it's shyness.

I've had a lot of good BJ's, but Kan has easily moved into my top 3 of all time, the other 2 being Russian and Latvian escorts in London. Really slow and steady, paying attention to the boys and in no rush to get you to finish. She only hit the gas, when I started moving her head up and down as I was close.

Kan. Out of 10 for looks? She gets 8/8. 5. Performance. A total 10.

My mate said "I had a jack hammer", but they all have different techniques I'm told. I'd take Kan, every day 24 hours a day.

Oh and for the record, Dr BJ (writes on the forum) himself was there, but you wouldn't have known it. Very down to earth, helpful and a decent fella. If you like BJ's in a non seedy environment, then this is the place.

I'll be back, maybe even tonight.

[QUOTE=Western787;1393271]She keeps putting up 3 fingers? LOL, actually that's the amount of short terms she's doing that night.[/QUOTE]The number of fingers that she will take up her arse.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1392612]Strolled by Dr BJ venue and decided to pop in. Friendly, clean place and girls looked decent to very good. .[/QUOTE]I realize everyone has opinions and eye is in the beauty of the beholder, but come on, decent to very good? Everything is relative and if you're comparing them to a pack of fat heifers at a western style buffet, then I would agree with your statement. Hehe

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1393126]Are you looking for the juicy tales or for some information on ISG? Once you read a FR as the lat from Skogys, no blame on him for doing that, it is fine, how can it help you in mongering? [B]SNIP[/B] Do you think the other have no business then because no Juicy report? Once the format of how a place works has been written here, and resumed from time to time in brief, what's the point in describing whether the girl was shaved to baby skin, and so on, and so on.[/QUOTE]What I think is that FR's are backbone of ISG. A good FR tells us who, what when and where. With a recommendation to try it yourself or give it a miss. My own preference is for the informational type. I don't mind some sexual detail but don't really require that. I also like to be entertained by FR's so then a little detail can be fun. H444 says that FR's are for "the guys' ego". Maybe he already knows every who what when where. So [B]what[/B] Are his posts for? Bionicman thinks that FRs are just a bunch of juicy details so what's the point? And goes on to ask how they have helped me to monger. Well, they tell me who what when where and was it good or bad. Recommendations. A simple concept. If he does not believe in that why does he make so many links in the Reports of Distinction thread?

Are you saying that you have never followed up on anyone's recommendation here? For your own particular preference? D-cups, for example, certainly has sought those recommendations. I've made my lists of the top 3 to seek out at the massage places as that's my thing, and MAN did that pay off! I've made recommendations that I do hope that people have followed up on because that is what it means to give back to the board.

Some commentary is ok as it can add clarity or another perspective to a FR. And sometimes they can be entertaining. All too often the commentary on this board, IMHO, is about telling another monger that he is mongering wrong. Like that time Bionicman wrote that if you do take a bus and do not take a taxi from BKK to Patts, then you should just stay home. Whatever happened to YMMV? Then you have H444 telling Goatscroat drink prices have gone up in a gogo bar. H444 never paid enough attention to GS's presence on the board to understand his preference for good performance, even at a premium price. GS has stated more than once that he'd pay a premium price for stunning looks with PSE. Yes, glossing over indeed. So you ISG world class commentators, how are you contributing to the board?

I see that in expressing my feelings about this I've crossed that line and become a commentator too. I do not get to monger often but I'm going to try to restrict my posts to FR's.

And my appreciation goes out to all the guys who are sharing their experiences. Without you there would be no point in RTFF. (I too wish we had "Like" buttons on ISG.)

C4T

Just a quick word about Bangkok Gold.

Goldie got back to me via email and said her husband had been in an accident and broke a few ribs, so she was at hospital with him. Hence no calls or emails being answered.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai; 1393324]? Then you have H444 telling Goatscroat drink prices have gone up in a gogo bar. H444 never paid enough attention to GS's presence on the board to understand his preference for good performance, even at a premium price. GS has stated more than once that he'd pay a premium price for stunning looks with PSE. Yes, glossing over indeed. So you ISG world class commentators, how are you contributing to the board?

C4T[/QUOTE]Thanks for noticing! Yes, I think many of us have no problem paying a premium for looks + performance, which seems to be a rare commodity these days. But again, to each his own. One man's stunner is another man's tree climber.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1393248]It seems like there are a lot of fellows coming to Bangkok with money burning a hole in their pockets so here is a deal for you. Two nights ago I went into a gogo bar in Nana Plaza with a friend. At some point he calls a cute girl over to sit with him and in the introductory comments she says she is 18. After a drink or two she leans over to him to whisper her offer. I think it is for 3, 000 baht which strikes me as a little high as cute as she appears. Her English is not good and so there is some confusion as he tries to bargain her down to 2, 000 baht. Eventually the mamasan comes over to explain and keeps putting up three fingers so again I assume she is asking for a trifecta. Then he leans over to me and says no, she is asking for 30, 000 baht. She is selling her virginity. But wait no; we both misunderstand, it's not 30, 000 baht, it's 300, 000 baht and the mamasan explains that this is a discount from the typical 500, 000 baht price tag for going where no man has gone before. I wanted to see something doctor certified but it was not forthcoming and at any rate between the two of us all we had was about 10, 000 baht. Maybe we could rub her feet for that amount. We also calcualted that it would take about 15 days of ATM withdrawals to get up to 300, 000 baht. So we had to pass on it and leave the honor up to another chivilrous hearty fellow who wants to finance her family to I assume a very nice piece of land up in Issan. Any one else had this opportunity thrust upon them?[/QUOTE]10k USD to pop a gals cherry? First of all, I don't understand why a dude would want a virgin, and again 10k US? Jeez, can it talk?

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1393156]This is too juicy not to comment on. LOL.

Are you saying girls who don't mind liking shit as part of theur job are more EDUKATED than their counterparts who work elsewhere, agg for example.

Do unis here in BKK have courses on shit licking for fun and profitt?

Don't know why you HATE agogos so much. You been burned by buffalos and heart surgerie for the family or what? They all just trying to make a living.

On the subjext of how useful field reports are it seems they are more for stroking a guys ego than actually providing actual info. I just gloss over them.

Only way fr is any good if picture of girls face is included, then guys can see whats available for what price.

No harm done![/QUOTE]No I am saying nothing of the sort. I don't date working girls, I expect service from working girls. I find the girls in the oilies to be far more polite than gogo gals and they for the most part, give better service. My point is why would I want to pay an uneducated gogo girls for sub par service, and in many cases have them treat me in a rushed manner, or in some cases, with contempt? I have no issue paying for good service.

[QUOTE=Oidar;1393413]Blah, blah, blah. drbj needs his own forum topic heading. So we don't all have to read this bullshit.[/QUOTE]Is it your intention to denigrate DR BJ or the gentleman who had a good experience at the establishment? Gringo147 was sharing with us that he had a good experience with the lady, liked the establishment and the proprietor. I think you are way out of line to attack him for reporting his experience and opinions. That is the purpose of this forum. Obviously [B]your[/B] Problem is with DR BJ. This is not the way to deal with [B]your[/B] Problem.

Arrived to BKK on Friday from Hong kong tired at 3pm, went to a public taxi stand for a ride to sukhumvit soi 23 hotel. Have the tolls changed since we only went through one toll booth with a sign of 25 baht (is it per person?) and the driver paid. The meter ended up at about 198 and since the airport fee is 50 I gave him 300 and asked if ok, but he wanted more and said that the highway was 50 and airport 50 but then 300 would still havebeen enough. Ok did not argue and had one more 100 baht bill to give and he gave me 50 back, ok, ended up paying a total of 350, I guess a fair price. Maybe he just wanted tip.

Needed some quick action and next to my hotel there were plenty of massage parlours on soi 23. Asked for 30 min instead of 1hour on the list and got the price down to 200. Not much (terrible) massage after she asked if I want special, HJ, BJ or fucking. Ok, decided to take the last one for 1500 baht (in Thailand never take a HJ, there is so much pussy available). The girl was from isan. 20 years. Not a looker, but I don't think there are any on soi 23. Did cowboy and then missionary. Asked for dog style but she refused "no I am shy", what a reason but ok, just did missionary until could come, nothing great.

Later at night went to cowboy, nana then back cowboy. Mercury at nana was my favorite with 95 bottled beer prices and young looking girls. But I was just there waiting to meet my online dating contact who finished work at 11. Met her at cowboy, went to a pool bar then to a street bar after hearing climax was closed already at 3 am becauce of the police. Then back to the room, did some DATY on her then she did a little BBBJ, she said not yet boom boom, which was ok as I was too drunk anyway like maybe she also. Then woke up at 1 pm then boom boom her, it was BB and CIP, stupid or not. And an accident happened cause she said after that she just finished her period and the sheets got a bit bloody as my t shirt a little. Damn. Hairy pussy but did not feel very good but was not feeling well also due to hangover. Not sure if I see her again. Too old for me maybe. 35, which is also my age but hey it is a different thing. She told me she sells clothes near onnut in a shop, sounded like true. She was with an european guy and lived in europe for some time, no children. I have been looking for a good girl to have as an gf but if she is good girl then a) why did she came to soi cowboy and be) had sex on a first date. We also went to see the show inside rawhide bar.

Today all bars closed and cowboy dark, no lights, everything closed. Damn. But good to have a sober day. Tomorrow maybe meet an another online dating site girl who said is going to a movie and promised to call me and meet at terminal 21. Said that she works for an insurance company but then again why is she online on a dating site at 3 am? Looks like in online dating it is impossibe to find a good girl. Or meet someone during a week or two holiday.

On Monday heading to Pattaya. Any idea how to arrange a ride there from sukhumvit, not from the airport where there seems to be more cars going there. Should I just wave any taxi and ask if he wants to drive to Pattaya and how much to offer? Are drivers generally willing to go to Pattaya? Because they might not want to come back empty. And with heavy bags I would not want to waste a lot of time organizing the ride standing on the street. Is there an easy way to book a taxi in advance to pick me up at the hotel?

[QUOTE=Oidar;1393413]Blah, blah, blah. drbj needs his own forum topic heading. So we don't all have to read this bullshit.[/QUOTE]You sound like a classic bellend. You can't even use the quote button, which doesn't need brain surgery, although perhaps your good self does.

What part of my FR was bullshit?

Call Mr. T at "0812587716" or email him at "mr_ttaxi@hotmail.com". Tell him your hotel there and were your going. It was 1000 bt a few months ago (from Asoke (BKK) to View Talay 6 on 2nd road (Pattaya).

[QUOTE=Pekkakoo; 1393423]SNIPPED.

On Monday heading to Pattaya. Any idea how to arrange a ride there from sukhumvit, not from the airport where there seems to be more cars going there. Should I just wave any taxi and ask if he wants to drive to Pattaya and how much to offer? Are drivers generally willing to go to Pattaya? Because they might not want to come back empty. And with heavy bags I would not want to waste a lot of time organizing the ride standing on the street. Is there an easy way to book a taxi in advance to pick me up at the hotel?[/QUOTE]

It appears that my go to late night massage spot, Sabai Sabai is no longer 24/7. I hit NEP, took out a girl from Rainbow 4. A hottie, but not a real performer. I wanted to finish off the night with a late night massage. It took a while to find the new Soi 13 location, and when I find it, the lights are off and they are closed. The good thing about Bangkok, there are always more options. I walked down the street, and there were several girls standing in front of what looked like closed massage shops. Turns out, they were open at 3am. A nice surprise. I met Nam, had a good time. The massage quality was lacking, but still fun. Sweet girl and very accommodating.

I had a chance to visit Nataree, which is one of my regular stops. I will never understand the Soapy pricing structure. I was offered a girl at 5, 000 baht. The reasoning, she was young and had big breasts. The problem I had, is she would not even make my top 25 after surveying the girls. She was not a looker, and I have never found a correlation between pricing and performance. The girl that did catch my eye, was an "older" girl. She must have been 22 to 25 years old. I thought she was a hottie. Her name is Mo, and she was 2, 600 baht. Not complaining. That worked for me, and I had a good time with her. Not much english, but I was not there for sterling conversation.

AT2

[QUOTE=Stevebny;1393107]Dammit, you gave away my system for getting through Swampy and arguably did me one better. I usually take a dump on the plane and never pack so much that I have to check in luggage. Always do carry-on and that saves about 30-45 minutes.[/QUOTE]Thanks Stevebny. I agree that not checking luggage is a KEY move, as other than Immigration, I tend to waste the most time standing at the baggage claim belt waiting for my bag. S carrying on your bags can save a LOT of time, I'd say 20-30 minutes on some nights. That's usually not an option for me though. However, last night for whatever reason the bags came right up.

As an addendum to the Suvarnabhumi arrival tips that I posted yesterday while I was en route, here are the actual times for my arrival last night at Suvarnabhumi. Some of the times in the middle are estimates as I wrote this in the taxi into town, but the key ones are touch down at 23:40 and in the taxi by 00:17, just 37 minutes elapsed. I admit this was a 'fast' one, as the Immigration lines were short, my bag was one of the first to appear, and there was no taxi line. But, I flew coach in the back of the plane and did not make the first shuttle bus, although it didn't matter as I was waiting on my bag at baggage claim anyway.

23:40 Wheels down (scheduled for 23:50, 10 minutes early!)

23:46 Plane parks at 'gate', out on the tarmac somewhere.

23:55 Into the shuttle bus for ride to the terminal.

23:59 Arrive Main Terminal.

00:00 In line at Immigration (1 person in front of me)

00:03 Thru Immigration.

00:07 ATM withdraw, first dump in Thailand done, waiting for my bag at Baggage Claim.

00:11 My bag is on my cart, exiting baggage claim.

00:14 Through Customs, walk downstairs, into the taxi queue (no line!)

00:17 In the taxi on the way to the hotel, hand the driver 70 baht for tolls and relax (and type this note)

00:50 Arrive JW Marriott.

What this illustrates is that it's completely possible to have some quality bar time the same night you arrive on a late night flight. However, as this was Election Eve. All the bars were closed.

I've been in Bangkok before for elections, and it has always seemed that there were still plenty of options. But last night was terrible. I arrived last night and was out in Nana by about 1:30, normally the place is humming at that time. I knew the bars would be closed, but I was hoping that the outside action would be going strong, but it sure as shit wasn't.

I'm guessing that maybe all the girls on the street were already taken as guys didn't have the option to take them from the bars, so it was slim pickings by 1:30 AM. I'd guess there were maybe a dozen girls (not counting ladyboys) around, and probably some of them had already been up for STs earlier in the evening. There weren't very many guys around either, just a dead scene.

I thought the street bars along the lower Sukhumvit would be operating, but there wasn't a single one. So the police were definitely enforcing the rule. Not even a single beer to be had in the parking lot from the ladies who upsell the 20 baht beers from 7-11 to 80-100 baht. The only option were the tuk tuk touts saying they could bring me to an open bar with "many young lady".

Luckily, I ran into a girl I had known before and after a quick negotiation we were up to my room and I had a fantastic time. I am back in the airport this AM already to fly up country so my one night in Bangkok was a success, which goes to show that it doesn't matter if a place is dead or has very few options (e. G, Khon Kaen, Chiang Mai sometimes, etc.) , all you need is that one great girl and your night can be a huge success. Having 50, 000 options like in Pattaya doesn't mean it'll be better, as you can only take one or two anyway, or 3 or 4.

[QUOTE=Oidar;1393413]Blah, blah, blah. drbj needs his own forum topic heading. So we don't all have to read this bullshit.[/QUOTE]Wrong... your writing is the bull shit one, not his.

You need to point back at yourself.

He is there for you to leverage for your own fun.

Eventually, you will realize it, at least most will.

What makes me laugh about the bell end below is he's a typical keyboard warrior, who generally doesn't know shit.

Dr BJ would be expected to be a very clear figure on entering his premises - I had to ask him, because it wasn't clear. Nice bloke, fairly chilled out and willing to help with any advice - no ego whatsoever.

I run a sports related forum with over 70, 000 members, if Oidar came on our forum with an attitude like that (essentially trolling without reason) , I'd nuke him in seconds. In fact we nuke people without giving them a second chance sometimes, because it's just so obvious you won't change their attitude.

This is a great place Jackson has built, but I think he could do with a cull of the bell ends you always get on forums. People who usually don't dare open their mouth in the real world.

Don't let it turn into a circus Jackson, it's your baby but it could do with a bit more organisation and less diluting of threads. I have 40 moderators on my forum, I'm sure guys on here (including myself) would help in organising it better.

Anyway, this needs a thread of it's own really, maybe I'll email Jackson with some suggestions, but of course he runs it as he sees fit, just like I do mine.

[QUOTE=Francesco24; 1392983]Speaking about discounts. Is there any massage shop / bar / whatever with some discount for repeating costumers?

Mango had something like that when they first opened with a card to collect stamps and get a free massage after 10 times or so.[/QUOTE]Som's Haven has such a special. Buy 10 sessions and get 1 blowjob free.

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[QUOTE=Harold444; 1393249]NO!

Which bar?

And can you give a description of your friend or post a photo of him. LOL.[/QUOTE]Sorry all names and locations have to be changed to protect the innocent! Just the facts. At least she was innocent as of 3 days ago.

[quote=gringo147;1393520]anyway, this needs a thread of it's own really, maybe i'll email jackson with some suggestions, but of course he runs it as he sees fit, just like i do mine.[/quote]i don't think it needs its own thread.

filtering drbj topics would reduce the bj banter on this main thread (if people followed the rules) as well as rep001ter bj information all over the place.

not a good idea i think.

heck, the guy makes one or two posts a week and it warrants a new thread?

lets give harold his own thread. that would be a better idea.

[QUOTE=Oidar; 1393529]Bellend? Who the fuck are you? Christoph Waltz?

Let me be clear, drbj's blowjob saloon would be better off as "drbj's somewhat clean gloryholes".

Say I don't know shit now, drbj.[/QUOTE]Right I'm getting the picture now. So you think that I am posting under the pseudonym of Gringo 147? Despite being advised to use a second handle I have made it clear several times that I only post under one name and will always do so. The people on this forum are not stupid and they would quickly see through a cheap trick like posting positive reports about the Salon, this would mean zero credibility and not a very wise business move. In any case I would have heaped way more praise on myself.

In effect you are attacking an honest person who is writing an honest report about a paid for sexual experience on a forum for sharing paid for sexual experiences because you think it is me! You seem to have a strong dislike for me, no problem, but I think it is unfair to be having a go at someone else due to a case of mistaken identity.

Regards,

BJ

Well as I see my ratings of Dr BJ girls beeing critizised just go there and have a look for yourself. My purpose, as I early stated to Dr BJ, was just to look as his venue and how it is beeing runned (and most importantly meet the guy himself). I am by far a competitor as I have my own business far far away from BKK monger sceene. As an exception for buying property in Myanmar these days I lay pretty low businesswice except mongering in 2 to 3 world countries as LOS. Great investments can be had though but for me only try make profit and head out. Mongerbusiness will allways be runned by the loose of money, hehe, but it can be rewardful in so many other ways.

So my idea looking up mr BJ benues was only to get hold of the man himself, as I like his posting as in good quality of information (even not also in favor towards his own business). And he turned out to be a nice chap. I would ofcourse advice people, as he runs a business, just not popping in like as in sightseeing. Atleast buy something and as he told me. If you don't see a girl you like. No harm done. Then you have to move on to some other place. I enjoy getting a good BJ once in a while but for me freelance marketing is far more exciting. Sure I get dissapointed at times but far over I have only good memories exp from a LB in my earlier days (mistake yes, hehe) and some crazy yaba yaba lady. I see advantages hitting up venues like Dr BJ and others (secured and you can complain if girls are far off track maby even change girls). Well enough said tonight me and mr BJ will try to hit some venues so I can get a feel of what the Go Go market is like as he promised me a guided tour. I have only been to Spankys in NEP one time and at 1 location in SC where ping pong balls where popular. I have though some experience from major Las Vegas venues, Prauge Venues, Los Angeles, Berlin, London, Gothenburg, Madrid (and so on) when it comes to stripping and maby pay the girl out. The most expensive exp I did ever have was in Reykjavik / Iceland. I paid one bottle of champagne incl one lapdance and additional charges if I wanted the girl to come with me, hehe. My bill extended 3K Euros that night (and champagne added one more bottle was far more expensive that the girl, hehe).

I`ve had almost 2 slow days just catering my Siemens girl. Last night (Saturday it came out handy as this election days are hard to prevent wehn mongering) we just stayed inroom for watching 4 copy DVD`s. Thaigrils are a bit better than pinays but they can never watch a whole movie without leaving in the middle, getting their make up done, coming back not realy watching I believe. It is not korean soap series but still I would like a decent highly educated thaigirl to be able to watch a movie. I find this disturbing and I tell them to keep quite and this is not the time to let me have a look at their family pics as I am watching the movie.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1393248]She is selling her virginity. But wait no; we both misunderstand, it's not 30, 000 baht, it's 300, 000 baht and the mamasan explains that this is a discount from the typical 500, 000 baht price tag for going where no man has gone before.[/QUOTE]Look gogo bars are rip off places for the unsuspecting newbie or weak-minded, but I really though Virginity would only be offered to rich Japanese customers. Surely westerners prefer girls who really know what to do.

I still think fun gogo girls can be had for mid-range prices, maybe not bargain basement. Rainbow 4 is not a place where a find a high percentage of the lookers are really the GFE types.

I still like to be able to choose a girl who is dancing totally naked (Cowboy bars) , uninhibited (e. G. Does lesbian shows) , and then have an extended chat beforehand, so I know exactly what looks I will get and what the personality is like. Any girl that comes on too strong, pushy or agressive is automatically ruled out. This way I collect very repeatable girls who are great fun.

I don't give them 3K, and do not usually even discuss price, but they are happy to

Keep coming back because I treat them well and they have a fun time, often including getting their rocks off too. Very few of these girls have an over abundance of customers causing them to want to go for very high prices for very short times.

Many of these gogo girls have babies already (single moms) and were clearly fucking from a young age. Some are experienced though barely over 18.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;1393324]What I think is that FR's are backbone of ISG. A good FR tells us who, what when and where. With a recommendation to try it yourself or give it a miss. My own preference is for the informational type. I don't mind some sexual detail but don't really require that. I also like to be entertained by FR's so then a little detail can be fun. H444 says that FR's are for "the guys' ego". Maybe he already knows every who what when where. So [B]what[/B] Are his posts for? Bionicman thinks that FRs are just a bunch of juicy details so what's the point? And goes on to ask how they have helped me to monger. Well, they tell me who what when where and was it good or bad. Recommendations. A simple concept.[/QUOTE]Have to agree with C4T. FR reports a the only useful stuff, mongering wise, and this is supposed to be a mongering forum. The rest is largely unrelated shit.

"Inimate" bits or juicy details can be useful to understand better one particular girl's style and to see to what extent she might be GFE or PSE. If some guy just says he tried a girl and she was great, its of no real use because we don't understand exactly what type of experience he likes or she provides. No personality insight at all. I can bet you anything that my detailed report on No. 24 at Annies inspired more than few to try her, even though I was not first to report on her.

Guys who do lots of posts but no field reports or no real details are just a waste of space in my view. I can forgive those who really provide really useful info (factual rather than just heaping shit on something) , of course, even if its not quite a field report.

I have few reports right now as out of the country, but obviously believe strongly in FRs when present in Thailand.

I think most of us are looking out for FRs on specially hot girls or specially hot venues. There exists little else of interest for me.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1393647]I still like to be able to choose a girl who is dancing totally naked (Cowboy bars) , uninhibited (e. G. Does lesbian shows) , and then have an extended chat beforehand, so I know exactly what looks I will get and what the personality is like. Any girl that comes on too strong, pushy or agressive is automatically ruled out.[/QUOTE]How about naked girls that are too quiet (zero english skills) , but try to jack you off to completion for a meager 50b inside the club? They are either not smart enough to know the money may stop after their buck-seventy-tug or they don't care and are just looking for a good laugh.

I made a post today in the Patts form and had not heard whether the same types of clubs exist in the Nana area. Does anybody know and can throw out some club names? See the last 50% of the post on club Carre Blanc.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=1393552&viewfull=1#post1393552[/url]

Old German Pub is located in Soi 11 across street from Grand President (they even cater the 3 tower in Gran President). But Cafe 6 is the Presidents real cafe even if I find Old German Bar better in many aspects. Atleast I was 1hr ago downstairs getting my nr 94 pic from menu (5 saugeses from somewhere in Germany, sauerkrat and masshed potatoes) with additional Erdinger large glass of beer (no I am norwegian and not german but saurkrat I do like).

Met, once again, my stunning (atleast in my view) waitress named xxx (for curious people just head to Old German Pub and you see her as she is by far the best looking girl working there and tallest (one pimple on left cheek ok?) and as I go out to hit a new mongersceene with Dr BJ tonight we agreed to have a short short session in my room when she had her "lunch". Superb quicky with additional CIM (for lunch). As usual BB session, as I find myself immune to STD`s, or atleast I have been extremely lucky upon my choices of girls when mongering. Most of the ladies even got my number and e-maisl so they could easily get in touch with me if sth bad happened to them. Well did I get one girls pregnant with additional "to make it sure it was my baby" tests but I guess abortion is also running well in this country where money talks (even if it is strictly forbidden, hehe). She was well supported upon the event and more as I will allways respect those girls contribution into my mongering but never will I have a child from a prostituded mother (that is for sure). I pay rather on the high side to prevent this.

As I write I get disturbing news from Manila as one spinner I realy had a blast with feels tired and have no energy. I have just told her to go have check for pregnancy, and pass the bill to me (letting her know I know the phil pricesettings which I don't, hehe). So lets see what is cooking over there (as in I also did have a mishap in Manila). Normaly I try to prevent myself ejaculate inside but sth it just happens in betweens pushings so it is hard to prevent.

Now it is off to meet Dr BJ (and with a humoristic twist once again I hope he will not provide me one, hehe).

It was nice meeting into Dr BJ venue to hit the night. Met up with the man himself and some other Malasian dude (living in China). We eventually, after shipping a few drinks, hit it off to NEP (Nana Entertainment Plaza) and walk inside one place called x (Dr help me out). I am not used to doing Go Go sceene so I was a bit nervous at first. Saw a great nr 52 wich could not stop smile at me but that was it.

Went upstairs to Spankys. We were met by lesbian show and mr Malaysia hit it off with one out of them. Dr BJ himself have to writ his own report but last seen sitting next to a great girl. I had my own spinner from Spankies, I did barfine making her dress decent and off we went on two motorbikes. That seems the most easy way of travel as in my case I needed to head home for some new clothes, promising I take my girl out or down to Climax. As I stood in the mirror from the bathroom I saw my LADY going through my pants (luckely I did not close the door) picking up some money from the pocket. I went outside and told her I saw what she was doing and she did not agree. I just took her next to me and found my missing 10000bhts. Wow out she went in a blink me throuing her out of the room. Finished and set me back 2K paid upfront never asked them back and I would never go by her place to claim it.

After a few minutes I met this girl sitting in Grand President alley. Wow she was a spinner. We walked to Climax and we shipped the last of bottle stay there from 2-3 days earlier. Drank a bit and then hit the bedroom. 42yrs old spinner, a bit hidden from it all but claimed she could not do discos anymore. Brought her as well to Climax, met up (not in a good way) a few from back in time. OMG this girl I blown me all over the place as her sucking is far great than I believe is normal. Can not sleep now as I FEEL pretty much drenched, she taken all fluids there is to take.

42yrs, great body, face looks as 40 but one out a few great fucks (3 holer). In the barn I find her tro jolly good. Nopt screeming and so on. She is still lying here and we agreed for 10am fucksession. HAd one earlier with her but nothing special exp she did rim my skrotum.

Kiss kiss.

Skogis

[quote=skogis;1393904]as i stood in the mirror from the bathroom i saw my lady going through my pants (luckely i did not close the door) picking up some money from the pocket. i went outside and told her i saw what she was doing and she did not agree. i just took her next to me and found my missing 10000bhts. wow out she went in a blink me throuing her out of the room. finished and set me back 2k paid upfront never asked them back and i would never go by her place to claim it.[/quote]some might say you should have gone back to get your bt2000 and report her attempted theft, not me. you did the right thing. if you had returned to bar and caused her great loss of face, as it would be, she might have invented a claim of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] etc and then you might have had to spend valuable hours that you will never get back again, at a police station etc. you might even have to bribe the girl and police to drop the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] charge, maybe bt10, 000 lol.

strange, bar girls are supposed to be safer than freelancers. the opposite, and with your first bar girl, lol.

myself, i leave trousers or wherever money is, within view from opened door of the bath room. sometimes i even take cash, watch etc with me into bathroom, inside a typical plastic toilet bag. both thais and filipinos are easily tempted. no temptation and they are fine.

nice to get the negative side of your travels too. no one person has a smooth trip from start to finish. exception if it happens. ignore politics, focus on your sex exploits and everyone will be happy.

I did the gogo bar crawl through NEP and Soi Cowboy, and had a good time. I was able to see Bill Board for the first time, and I could see it has some promise. They were a little light on girls, but it was early. Las Vegas and DC-10 were disappointments. Both were small and had very few girls. I spent most of my time in the same bars, Rainbow 4 in NEP and Bacarra in Soi Cowboy. Angel Witch and the Rainbow bar on the ground floor at NEP were also decent stops. I saw a hottie in front of Lollipop, doing her best to pull in customers. The Paragon has been my place to chill between stops. I tried the 4D movie. Interesting, but more theme park than movie. It was a Universal Studios experience. The chairs move, vibrations and jolts, water spraying, wind bursts simulating a bullet flying by your head, etc. The food was quite good at the Japanese and Korean restaurants at Paragon. They were a nice change of pace from the street food and the hole in the wall Thai food joints up and down Sukhumvit and it's side Soi's. Terminal 21 sounded good in concept. The results are mixed, and the foot traffic was thin.

Had a legit massage at King & I, during the rain. Relaxing. Tulip was the usual fun place, for a quick massage and more. There were a lot of freelancers around NEP, with some decent options. The lady boy population seems to be growing. A lot of hobbyists talking to them. I wonder how many knew and were seeking them out, and how many were in for a surprise? The Beer Garden has not changed. The same hit and mostly miss options, but it still has it's niche in BKK. There are places that are hyped and others that are trashed, but I think the test of time proves which venues provide some type of value. If they stay in business, they have fans who keep them alive. Walked by Dr B. J. 's and was not impressed by what I saw in front, and kept walking. BKK has so many options, and the fun is still there.

AT2

[QUOTE=Gringo147; 1393280]I have to admit I do love BJ's over a ride, it's just my thing. A good ride now and again too, but BJ's with cim and the electric shock sensation at the end send me into paradise.

Bearing in mind, I've had a few dozen escorts over the years and some are different class at BJ's. I have to seriously recommend Dr BJ's Salon.

I nearly always go down the escort route that has great reviews about BJ / cim, ie Lee at Bangkok Gold (if they ever answer the bloody phone again. 8 times without answer now).

An hour ago went to.

[url]http://bjbarbangkok.com[/url]

With a lot of scepticism to be honest, because it's very cheap and I'm a great believer in "you get what you pay for".

We had a line up of about 10 girls, no rushing, great warm welcome, a few giggles as we're discussing who to pick. I picked "Kan", who on my first glance, seemed a bit moody and my 2nd glance, but she's quite pretty and I think the moodyness isn't moody at all, it's shyness.

I've had a lot of good BJ's, but Kan has easily moved into my top 3 of all time, the other 2 being Russian and Latvian escorts in London. Really slow and steady, paying attention to the boys and in no rush to get you to finish. She only hit the gas, when I started moving her head up and down as I was close.

Kan. Out of 10 for looks? She gets 8/8. 5. Performance. A total 10.

My mate said "I had a jack hammer", but they all have different techniques I'm told. I'd take Kan, every day 24 hours a day.

Oh and for the record, Dr BJ (writes on the forum) himself was there, but you wouldn't have known it. Very down to earth, helpful and a decent fella. If you like BJ's in a non seedy environment, then this is the place.

I'll be back, maybe even tonight.[/QUOTE]Jeez Gringo you seem to be a man of the world with lots of experience not short of a few bob and yet you rate one of Doc's helpers at the saloon an 8/8. As so often reflected indeed it's all in the eye of the beholder but I would suggest a cruise around the town hitting some of the baths and oilies (see other links for suggestions) to appreciate true Thai beauty.

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2; 1393935]I did the gogo bar crawl through NEP and Soi Cowboy, and had a good time. I was able to see Bill Board for the first time, and I could see it has some promise. They were a little light on girls, but it was early. Las Vegas and DC-10 were disappointments. Both were small and had very few girls. I spent most of my time in the same bars, Rainbow 4 in NEP and Bacarra in Soi Cowboy. Angel Witch and the Rainbow bar on the ground floor at NEP were also decent stops. I saw a hottie in front of Lollipop, doing her best to pull in customers. The Paragon has been my place to chill between stops. I tried the 4D movie. Interesting, but more theme park than movie. It was a Universal Studios experience. The chairs move, vibrations and jolts, water spraying, wind bursts simulating a bullet flying by your head, etc. The food was quite good at the Japanese and Korean restaurants at Paragon. They were a nice change of pace from the street food and the hole in the wall Thai food joints up and down Sukhumvit and it's side Soi's. Terminal 21 sounded good in concept. The results are mixed, and the foot traffic was thin.

Had a legit massage at King & I, during the rain. Relaxing. Tulip was the usual fun place, for a quick massage and more. There were a lot of freelancers around NEP, with some decent options. The lady boy population seems to be growing. A lot of hobbyists talking to them. I wonder how many knew and were seeking them out, and how many were in for a surprise? The Beer Garden has not changed. The same hit and mostly miss options, but it still has it's niche in BKK. There are places that are hyped and others that are trashed, but I think the test of time proves which venues provide some type of value. If they stay in business, they have fans who keep them alive. Walked by Dr B. J. 's and was not impressed by what I saw in front, and kept walking. BKK has so many options, and the fun is still there.

AT2[/QUOTE]I might have been one of the guys you saw talking to the Ladyboys. I find that many of them speak English well and can be a good source of information if you treat them right. You just have to be clear that you are not interested in anything beyond a brief conversation. I would find it hard to believe that a guy could take one out without knowing. None that I spoke with was trying to hide that they were ladyboys.

S.

Did you ever think of using the safe? Keeping only money you can afford to loose?

Its that big steel box in the room

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1393924]Here is where identifying a girl could help someone out. Thieves, drug addicts, etc. , who to not barfines is valuable info. Identifying a good performer is ok but, not so valuable as chemistry play a big role, you can't judge chemistry.

42 year old spinner. LOL. Hell I don't even know what a regular spinner is. Can you put them upside down and spin them like a toy top?[/QUOTE]WOW H! This could go in the Comments of Distinction! Really. You nailed it this time. Identifying the girl would be a service to the board.

From the Urban Dictionary. Spinner.

A petite woman. Denoted as a joke, whereby the petite woman is so thin she is able to be mounted and spun in a circle on an erect penis.

Probably can't do that on the BTS though.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1393647]Look gogo bars are rip off places for the unsuspecting newbie or weak-minded.[/QUOTE]WTF? Your talkin out your ass though perhaps the difference is that I've been at this longer than you. My last trip to BKK this past December was for about a month and I pulled from Nana almost every night with an exceptional success rate with some actually being exceptional as well – I posted a few of the better performers earlier.

Daytime long-time action / options are 'poor' at best (I pulled every day as well) and it's 'catch-as-catch-can' as the saying goes and I have almost permanently lowered my daytime expectations in BKK. But then I only take-out long time so that may partially explain it.

But the go-gos' are still where all the better mid-priced quality options can be found. G-clubs are fine except that it's a time killer – can't walk in, grab one and leave like go-gos' and I don't need to spend an extra minute in any of them after I've found what I'm looking for.

I had a good session at Lucky Massage on Soi 26. It is marketed as a Japanese Massage club, with all inclusive pricing, but it is open to anyone I was told. There are pros and cons with the pricing, but I find it mostly a positive. At 2, 200 baht, it is not a bad deal these days. I picked Rose off of picture cards on a table. Not a big selection, but the pics looked good. Like all of the places in BKK, the pics always show the girls fair skinned. The facilities look new, although the room itself is small. It is better than a lot of other places. I am shown up the stairs by a girl in a sailor type outfit, and she asks me what I want to drink. At first, I thought she was an attendant after two straight days of Soapy's. Not the usual older woman, but a cutie and I am thinking DAMN I wish she was doing the massage. She hands me the drink, and like a Soapy, I give her a small tip. She looks startled. I realize then, she is the girl I picked. She looked nothing like the picture, but the good news is she looks better than the pic. It was a fun session.

AT2

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2; 1394168]I had a good session at Lucky Massage on Soi 26. It is marketed as a Japanese Massage club, with all inclusive pricing, but it is open to anyone I was told. There are pros and cons with the pricing, but I find it mostly a positive. At 2, 200 baht, it is not a bad deal these days. I picked Rose off of picture cards on a table. Not a big selection, but the pics looked good. Like all of the places in BKK, the pics always show the girls fair skinned. The facilities look new, although the room itself is small. It is better than a lot of other places. I am shown up the stairs by a girl in a sailor type outfit, and she asks me what I want to drink. At first, I thought she was an attendant after two straight days of Soapy's. Not the usual older woman, but a cutie and I am thinking DAMN I wish she was doing the massage. She hands me the drink, and like a Soapy, I give her a small tip. She looks startled. I realize then, she is the girl I picked. She looked nothing like the picture, but the good news is she looks better than the pic. It was a fun session.

AT2[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report, AT. Do they allow to see their lineup live? I always distrust pictures and your report substantiated, even though you were lucky this time around.

A

[QUOTE=Rjsss212; 1394097]WTF? Your talkin out your ass though perhaps the difference is that I've been at this longer than you. My last trip to BKK this past December was for about a month and I pulled from Nana almost every night with an exceptional success rate with some actually being exceptional as well – I posted a few of the better performers earlier.

Daytime long-time action / options are 'poor' at best (I pulled every day as well) and it's 'catch-as-catch-can' as the saying goes and I have almost permanently lowered my daytime expectations in BKK. But then I only take-out long time so that may partially explain it.

But the go-gos' are still where all the better mid-priced quality options can be found. G-clubs are fine except that it's a time killer – can't walk in, grab one and leave like go-gos' and I don't need to spend an extra minute in any of them after I've found what I'm looking for.[/QUOTE]To each their own, but I agree with Mr. Snuggles.

I never pull from a Gogo. I think they are tourist traps for the most part. For businessmen and rookie tourists. There are a few exceptions. Very few I think.

More than enough other spots / girls with better service, rates, attitudes.

But it is your time/money.

Is it my imagination or does thread search not work anymore? I mean I do thread search, then click on a found post header. It does not then go to correct part of the thread where post was made.

I seem to recall 1500 was the price for Original genuine Cialis (20 mg). Is that right or out of date? I would be happy with generic myself, if I wanted it, but a friend wants to get some absolutely original Lilly brand Cialis (not a generic copy). Where to get it in Sukumwit area (if price is exceptionally good)? I tried thread search but 2010 and 2011 posts were coming up and click redirection to original post was not working.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1394401]Is it my imagination or does thread search not work anymore? I mean I do thread search, then click on a found post header. It does not then go to correct part of the thread where post was made.

I seem to recall 1500 was the price for Original genuine Cialis (20 mg). Is that right or out of date? I would be happy with generic myself, if I wanted it, but a friend wants to get some absolutely original Lilly brand Cialis (not a generic copy). Where to get it in Sukumwit area (if price is exceptionally good)? I tried thread search but 2010 and 2011 posts were coming up and click redirection to original post was not working.[/QUOTE]Cialis is one of the few I have yet to try. I do know the small Pharmacy opposite the entrance to Nana Plaza is renound for being one of the few places to sell absolutely genuine Viagra obviously at a much higher price. It may be worth asking if they also do genuine article Cialis. Perhaps someone who has bought Cialis from this venue could chip in to tell us about the quality.

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Aibolit; 1394223]Thanks for the report, AT. Do they allow to see their lineup live? I always distrust pictures and your report substantiated, even though you were lucky this time around.

A[/QUOTE]I did not ask to see the lineup, so I cannot say for sure. The manager did ask if I preferred fair skin, and I told him it did not matter to me. She was lacking up top, in case you were interested, so do not pick her if boobs are your thing.

AT2

This really seemed to be a buyers market this past week. NEP at closing was like shooting fish in a barrel. $3K baht starting offers came down quickly to $2K, with just a quick shake of the head. Walked around the court yard, and got several offers from girls I saw in Rainbow 4, Angel Witch, etc. Just an hour earlier.

AT2

Got into town at 1:00am this morning. Took a quick shower and off to NEP. Walked into Billboard for a drink and a look see. Not much to see so 1 drink and over to Rainbow4. Walked in and ordered my drink. Girls did not look very happy to be on stage. Had an eye on #45 (I do not remember name ). Bought her a drink and we talked money. Started out at 2000 st. I laughed and said 1000 st with BBBJCIM and boom boom. She came back with 1500, 3 hours my room 3 pops. BBBJCIM, boom boom, and anal. So I thought about it for maybe 2 seconds and then out the door. We got to the hotel and the fun started. She left at 5:30am. I fell a sleep. Woke up at 1:00 had lunch and went over to Avivia for a massage. I will write more later. Time for a nap.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1394401]a friend wants to get some absolutely original Lilly brand Cialis (not a generic copy). Where to get it in Sukumwit area (if price is exceptionally good)? .[/QUOTE]The absolutelly original can be found in "big" pharmacies such as Boot's, but they might ask for a prescription. Out of those channels, I do not think many can voucher for "absolute original".

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1394401]Is it my imagination or does thread search not work anymore? I mean I do thread search, then click on a found post header. It does not then go to correct part of the thread where post was made.

I seem to recall 1500 was the price for Original genuine Cialis (20 mg). Is that right or out of date? I would be happy with generic myself, if I wanted it, but a friend wants to get some absolutely original Lilly brand Cialis (not a generic copy). Where to get it in Sukumwit area (if price is exceptionally good)? I tried thread search but 2010 and 2011 posts were coming up and click redirection to original post was not working.[/QUOTE]There's a pharmacy on Sukhumvit somewhere between Soi 8 and 14 at which you can buy Lilly's original Cialis It's ridiculously expensive. Something like US$10 for 20mg dose.

long time reader, first time poster, i'm kinda shy and private so excuse lack of casual tone if it comes across too much.

i came to thailand 3 months ago without any actual intent to indulge in the local attractions so to speak, i regarded the entire thing as something of a curiosity more than something i could actually involve myself in personally but after dipping my toe in the water i've found although the experience can be mixed, it's certainly like nothing else available in the world right now. i can only write from the perspective i have experienced, so keeping that in mind; i'm a very large thirty something guy not too repulsive (i hope but maybe that's just bullshit self serving bias).

i started off trying tulip out a couple months back just once, first p4p experience ever, the girl was somewhat mechanical but extremely raunchy in terms of being up for absolutely everything, i freaked out at various multiple points throughout the encounter, first when she pushed my legs up and started licking my ass which was a complete first for me and later on when she was jacking me off bareback into her mouth after a great sloppy deep blowjob telling me she wanted to taste my cum most of all.

needless to say after that experience i was somewhat interested to try more.

a couple weeks back i moved to sukhumvit and have since had the opportunity to indulge at a somewhat more frenetic pace; i started out just messing around at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] on soi 8, i took 8 girls over a single day and had 8 very good orgasms of various intensity. best one was definitely a girl called kae, but they were all pretty damned good except one girl who was the tallest whose name escapes me now, instead of a proper blowjob she just seemed to bounce up and down open mouthed on my cock and occasionally miss it with her mouth entirely, so not that great but fuck it.

after about the fifth time i think they started to get the idea of what i was doing and got a kick out of it joking around asking if they could be next, or next next, or next next next. i like the attitude the girls generally have here even if they're not the hottest, kae recommended i try her and a friend simultaneously and while she blew me her friend licked my ass until i came in kae's mouth, another first for me and a totally mindblowing experience.

800 baht per girl and for the better performers i was tipping 200 baht on top.

after the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] experience i wanted to see what the other bj bars in the area were like and i saw lollipop one night while walking down soi 10, i went down there and had a passable though not as good as [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] experience with a girl who had good suction and a lot of spit and basically fucked her own face with my cock for about a half hour without complaint. i came back here a week or so later to try again and had a very pretty girl do a twosome with a not so hot girl that i got her to pick for me, i was too shy to ask for a repeat of my [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] special so mostly just stuck to groping and fondling one while the other blew me, passable bbbj's all around but not as good as [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] at any rate.

i also tried som's haven down on soi 14 but of the three so far it was the least impressive, had a fairly attractive girl blow me but her technique wasn't really that great at all and she kept complaining about the heat and switching to a handjob fairly frequently.

i dropped by cleo's out front of star of light in patpong one afternoon around 3pm but frankly most of those girls would have to pay me to let them blow me so i'm not sure what the story was there, maybe they're spectacularly good techniquewise but they're just not attractive women, so i didn't go in to find out what it was actually like.

next up i tried dr bj's for the first time and frankly realised how much i had just been fucking around with the others, for my tastes this place is perfect, they have a lineup of "nurses" and "consultants" which are distinguished primarily by the nurses being a bit chunkier and although i only tried one nurse before sticking completely to the consultants only after the past two week, it seems their technique is not quite as good either.

it doesn't seem like they have any sort of uniform approach as to how to give head, the girls perform quite differently so your mileage may vary, but of the ones i tried that stick in my head here is what i found in order of preference;

consultant n; by far my favourite so far, she has a beautiful smile and maintains great eye contact and sucks at a constant perfect rhythm and just the right level of just fucking everything, i have taken her four times so far, once to the vip room where the sex is pretty decent too, on top of that she has a very nice body to boot and is in my opinion the most attractive of the bunch, she has a caesarean scar if you get her naked but aside from that she's slender and flawless.

every time i came in her mouth also i don't know if she is actually swallowing or if she is just extremely tactful about disposing of the evidence but i don't see it, i like the illusion enough to not ask and have her want to lie to me to maintain it. it's miles ahead of the occasional girl who will go on a minute long retching festival at the sink trying to purge the last remnants of your cum from her mouth. mind you, none of the girls i had at dr bj's actually has done this but some i've had elsewhere have. very little english though.

consultant g; second favourite, she has a wicked smile and is quite cheeky, the things she says during are intensely amusing to me; while wearing a headband with a cute girlish ribbon and polkadots on top she briefly deepthroated me all the way to the base before withdrawing and saying "you're about to throatfuck minnie mouse" in her cute thainglish accent before impaling me again all the way to the base and proceeding to fuck herself in the throat until i blew extremely hard with her lips wrapped around the bottom of my cock.

consultant x; she's quite pretty, has strange kind of alluring eyes, not quite normal looking, she lays on the acting pretty thick to the point where it makes one wonder what lies underneath, but she's game for anything. i actually took her out of the salon and to an inn over the road because i wanted an all night long fuckfest, she blew me to orgasm two times and has been the first woman ever who was actually able to take me anally to boot although she complained afterwards she didn't think she'd be able to toilet right for a few days. she also rimmed me like a starving crazy woman, generally speaking this seems to be her mo, she acts a little crazy.

at first she didn't want to fuck but after about half an hour she changed her mind and we fucked in a few positions and after that is when she went anal. the only complaint i have is that i took her out wanting an all night long fuckfest but she only lasted four hours, by 8:30pm she wanted to sleep but after only cumming four times i was definitely wanting more so packed her on her way to hit the town. more on this later.

consultant u; had her tonight, she sucks extremely hard and fast, at various points throughout it felt like she was trying to forcefully sip my balls through my cock, definitely the most energetic of the girls i've tried but a little rough for my tastes. quite pretty and a nice body.

consultant ee; i took her based on the website recommendation as the highest rated girl and x referring to her as a "superstar" during our session.

tall, nice big dick sucking lips and silicon enhances tits and quite good english but her character gives the impression of being something of a hustler, i know to an extent they all must be but she has a certain ease and with her very good us accented english and casualness it comes across stronger than anyone else i've had so far, it's almost like she's pushing a similar act that x is pushing, but instead of going over the top she feels believable, and that she is believable makes it uncanny, because despite appearances, intellectually speaking, i don't believe it.

she gives excellent head, definite pse with tons of smacking her own tongue with my cock and spit stringers and watching her drool all over me, very visual so that's great. in terms of pure physical pleasure though for my tastes wasn't as good as n.

after she blew me we tried to have sex but she only had a couple of small condoms which firstly were painful to try and get on for me and within five minutes slipped off and got lost inside her anyway so that didn't end up working, during the vip session she only made me cum once about an hour into the session and 30 minutes before the end, at this point it was obvious she wouldn't be able to make me cum again before the session was finished. but due to her character i didn't mind just fucking around being perverted with her for the remainder of that time, i was playing with her clit and massaging her g-spot while she sucked my cock in her inimitable fashion.

she kept commenting about being into [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord117][CodeWord117][/url] (though i'm not) and i was able to fit three fingers inside her ass as well, so anal might have been a possibility too though she said she didn't think she could handle it. post-note; toward the end she had me massaging her g spot with four fingers on the same hand so she is quite accommodating for larger men.

after the four hour session with x that day i was particularly fired up, i went next door to magic table next door to dr bj's, it's kind of a mix between an agogo bar and a blowjob bar as they have a vip room out back, i had been here once before and tried a bj from one of the girls, she was pretty decent but not quite as good as the dedicated girls next door (generally hotter girls though and they dance / tease well) , though the price here is cheaper than consultants next door whilst more expensive than the nurses at 800 baht, all the girls are quite pretty, i'd rate about a 6-8 on them, and they're extremely cheeky / friendly.

i was feeling a little wild that day so i was buying drinks for three ladies at the same time, none of whose names i remember, they were exceptionally flirty and made ample use of the prime attraction at mt, which is a mirrored tabletop upon which they dance without underwear, plenty of spread legs and high velocity dance moves where the primary objective of said move appears to be to get a piece of you as close to a naughty piece of them as they can without actually touching you. the girls would take shifts dancing and the other two would sit one each side touching me up and rubbing / pushing my hands all over them, all in all frankly great fucking foreplay, so in the end i decided to barfine all three of them.

took them back to the hotel i'd just had x in but the actual sex wasn't really that great, especially considering it was three hot girls, one was a 7 and the other two were 8's, one a high 8, but after we'd left the bar the prettiest one just wasn't that raunchy anymore, actually requested that i don't put my fingers inside her pussy before we'd even started doing anything and she was the textbook example of the aforementioned post session sink retching that springs to mind for me now. the 7 was definitely the best performer and was rimming me while the nicer 8 blew me very well and i fondled and stroked the other girl until i blew in her friend's mouth after about an hour. tipped them 2k baht each, really felt like the two that were putting in the better effort should've gotten 2 and the other should've gotten 1 but i didn't want any drama.

five still not enough for me anyway so i was up for some more, i hit soi cowboy and looked around at the various agogo's just having a drink in each and moving on, my least favourite was the dollhouse where three girls were going pretty high pressure on me for drink buying and my most favourite was cowboy 4 which had ridiculously hot women dancing extremely well and very cheeky / flirty behaviour from the girls to boot, i was happy to buy a few drinks here even though i didn't feel pressured into it at all. definitely next time i go back to cowboy i'll be going here.

by the time that night had started winding down i didn't really see anything i felt drawn to take home and play with, so i just left it at the takeout for x and the foursome from magic table, i think next time though i could definitely enjoy spending some more time at cowboy 4.

CANDY Was pretty lazy and did not want to go out to the go-go bars at NEP even though I was staying pretty close to it. I had done some reserach before going to BKK so called Cherry massage for an out call ([url]http://cherrymassagebkk.com/[/url]) asked for CANDY and she was available.

Age : Between late 20s.Early 30s.

Body: 7. 5/10.

Face: 7/10.

Service : 10/10.

Skill : 8/10.

GFE: 9/10.

Just perfect timing called them at about 10 PM there she was with her friend Apple (for my friend) by 10. 30 PM. Well dressed with a broad smile over her face. I was in my friends room when they had arrived she seemed a bit shy at first compared to Apple who was all over me and my friend and even suggested that we all do it in the same room. But after a drink I left with Candy to my room and once we were in she transformed totally into one sweet sexy girl who could talk good english. After a while we hopped into the shower and then on to the bed where she tried every damn thing she knew BBBJ, HJ, BJ (with her super natural BBs) , then doggy, Miss, Sideways but I was just not coming and then out of no where she removes some lub and rubs it over my LB (protected) and offers me her beautiful, curvy ass. My first anal and man it felt good and I shoot my load off on the nest few strokes. She was a totally satiaflying experience and was keen on me having as many shots. But I was already tired and was happy with only one as I had come twice ealier at Annies. We showered again and she left with her friend.

Dammage : 2500 baths + 500 Tip

Next day over breakfast with my friend I was told that Apple was also a great girl to be with and all the talk with my friend started to make me very horny to have an Apple. Had my breakfast went upstiars and had a long bath but my LB was just not listening at about 11 AM called the cherry guys again asked for Apple and was told she was not available. Pretty disappointed I hung up. But my LB made me call then again and asked then who was available immediately, they suggested me VODKA, young new face of their establishment.

Age : Early 20s.

Body: 8/10.

Face: 7. 5/10.

Service : 10/10.

Skill : 8/10.

GFE: 8/10.

Eagerly waiting, and the bell rings at 11. 40 AM man these guys at Cherry are very punctual. I open the door to find a very fresh looking face, welcome her in. My room had a living area and a bedroom. She walked directly into the bedroom. I was pretty hornly and asked her to shower and I had just showered. As soon as she came, I just took her into my arms and bang bang in the next 10 mins everything happened and I shoot my load. Then she cleans me up and we head to the living area sit on the sofa to watch some TV with her in my arms. Offer her a drink she says no and then I had some ice cream which I had bought the previous night (she chose a cornetto strawberry flavor). She unwraps it and offers me to take a bite and now things get wild and before I could swallow any of it she places her lips on mine and sucks it out into her mouth and all the while gently stroking my LB with her other hand. Man this went on for a while and then she kneels down and rubs the last part of the cone on my LB and gives me one hell of a BBBJ and come again in her mouth. She rushes to the restroom to get a towel and spits my cum out. Then cleans me up and we shower together and dresses up and leaves.

Dammage: 2500 bath + 500 Tip

I What I meant by out the door was that I challenged her on her offer and she took it. So wee were back in the room and having fun. She leaved at 5:30 am. I know that girls that are still shuffling at that time are not always the best picks but they sure make an effort to make you happy or they go home with less money for the night.

Now onto Aviva and Miki. At 2:00 walked up the steps and asked mama if Miki was free. She yelled for her and she popped out off the little room that the girls wait in. She gave me a hug and took my hand before I could tell mama what I wanted. Up to the steps and into the room at the far end of the hallway. Wow it is a big room with a tub and a bigger bed. I undressed while Miki went to get her kit. When she came back I Striped her and started to lick those great tits of hers. A quick shower and back on the bed for some making out like highschool kids. She started to lick my nipples then worked her way down to the cock and balls. Soon I in her mouth and it was very nice. She worked until the little guy gave up his juice in her mouth.

Time for her massage and she was happy with my style of massage. Put a lot of oil on her ass and started to rub. Worked my way down to her pussy. Worked on the clit then put a finger in. Soon she was wet and asked my to fuck her. Put on the cover and entered her from the behind. Nice to see her tits swaying in the mirror on the wall. Move to cg and then back to dg'why. Popped and fell on the bed. We were laying on the bed and she said nap time. Ok by me. I was warn out. I woke up and she was still asleep. Looked at my phone at it was 5:00. I woke her up but she did not seem to be in a hurry to shower and change. Walked down stairs and paid mama 800 for room and 1500 for Miki. Gave Miki a tip and kissed her goodbye for now. I will see her again before I leave.

Now what to do on Wednesday.

Gentleman,

Flight from Taipei arrived in BKK around 12:45AM.

After rushing through the gates and customs, managed to get into a taxi at 1:25AM and managed to get into the hotel around 2:15AM.

As been shared, and advised from all, take a taxi and tell the driver to take the expressway!

I took care of business on the plane as opposed to airport as some people choose to do while waiting for their luggage. I got lucky as my bag was one of the first that came out.

Settled into hotel room and quickly dressed up and managed to get into Soi Cowboy at around 2:30AM.

Small pickings.

Went to the end of the street in the bar where mirrors on top (so you can see the girls dancing from the 1st floor). I had mentioned that bar during my last visit and for heaven's sake, I keep forgetting to remember the name. Anyways, went upstairs as smoker and as it was late and their were only "leftovers" most of the girls kept smiling and flashing me winks. None of them were to my liking however, so I decided to call it a night and head out (Purchased one Coca Cola: 160BHT).

While walking back to the main road, girls kept trying to pull me in and though I did go into three other ones, there was no one really appealing and at 2:45-3:00AM I know their trying to get their last minute pull and drinks out (thanks to all for the heads up). I just walked back to a taxi, and a really pushy taxi driver insisted that he let me take him to a new "Club" named "O".

It was around 3:10AM and I told him that I'm very picky and was a bit tired. He informed me that he would take me there, and we could just see. I told him then that I wouldn't pay for that trip, but from Soi Cowboy to my hotel it'd be only 40BHT so I'd only pay him that much if it wasn't appealing. He agreed.

Location is less then 7 minute drive from Soi Cowboy. Unfortunately I was too tired to keep my eyes open during the ride, but when I looked at my watch it was 3:20AM so thus 7 minute guess. It wasn't a club. Just a small building in the middle of nowhere, but neon signs set up outside with Christmas Lights "CLUB 0."

He actually accompanied me inside and wow. Buffet style. All the girls lined up and the deal was, LT for 3, 000BHT and "anything goes" with condom. I had my doubt. Unfortunately, there was a stunner that caught my eye and she had the body, smile, and attitude that appealed. Talked to her for a bit. And paid the owner 3G (he asked for his tip, and I told him depending on how this girl performs, either I would come back and he had just made a loyal customer so that was his tip. He just smiled and shooed me out). Back trip to hotel with same taxi driver. Tipped him 100BHT so total of 140BHT for trip from Soi Cowboy to Club 0. Then Club 0 to Radisson.

Once we got into the room, Niu (her name) got all sappy on me and told me how they weren't paying her enough at the Club and they were only being given 900BHT even though we paid 3, 000BHT (BTW. Lots of foreigners there). Shit! Typical business routine and I was in no mood for it. I asked her if she did anything extra. Perhaps A+ and she said no. Then no tip. Asked her if she was going to give me a hard time cause of this as she was supposed to stay LT. She was surprised and informed me that it was only ST and one nut bust. Fuck! Mental note to find owner and stab him with a spoon!

She kept looking at me all sappy eyed and even though we haven't started, was begging for a tip. I asked if she does pics at least so that I can get something extra out of this. She said no cause her bf might see it online. Whatever. I just told her then nothing else apart from tip based on performance and taxi.

She then agreed to take pics for an extra 1, 000. I was just tired of her shit and told her fine, and got the camera out and started taking pics. Did the naughty deal with occasional pics here and there. Granted her body was amazing but due to the previous discussion I was more interested in just nutting and getting her out. I thoroughly enjoyed her body and within 3 hours (yeah. I took my damn time on that ST) , sprayed and was literally begging her to get out. Tipped her an extra 350BHT for taxi and her.

Out she went.

Total Damage:

Trip to Soi Cowboy from hotel: 40BHT.

Soi Cowboy drink: 160BHT.

Club O: 3, 000BHT.

Taxi Driver: 140BHT.

Tip for Niu:350BHT.

Headache Total: Priceless.

Total: 3, 690BHT.

Learning from my mistakes still and looking forward to a better night tomorrow.

I'll definitely try and drop by Dr. BJ's or Annie's and write a report for then. Though I am trying to make a "documentary" of my adventure here and there can't really take pictures :P so maybe not! However, if I do, hope to meet Dr. BJ and thanks him for the good input on this forum!

Anyways, enjoy the pics gentleman!

[QUOTE=Gen X Baer; 1394634]While walking back to the main road, girls kept trying to pull me in and though I did go into three other ones, there was no one really appealing and at 2:45-3:00AM I know their trying to get their last minute pull and drinks out (thanks to all for the heads up). I just walked back to a taxi, and a really pushy taxi driver insisted that he let me take him to a new "Club" named "O".

It was around 3:10AM and I told him that I'm very picky and was a bit tired. He informed me that he would take me there, and we could just see. I told him then that I wouldn't pay for that trip, but from Soi Cowboy to my hotel it'd be only 40BHT so I'd only pay him that much if it wasn't appealing. He agreed.

Location is less then 7 minute drive from Soi Cowboy. Unfortunately I was too tired to keep my eyes open during the ride, but when I looked at my watch it was 3:20AM so thus 7 minute guess. It wasn't a club. Just a small building in the middle of nowhere, but neon signs set up outside with Christmas Lights "CLUB 0."

He actually accompanied me inside and wow. Buffet style. All the girls lined up and the deal was, LT for 3, 000BHT and "anything goes" with condom. I had my doubt. Unfortunately, there was a stunner that caught my eye and she had the body, smile, and attitude that appealed. Talked to her for a bit. And paid the owner 3G (he asked for his tip, and I told him depending on how this girl performs, either I would come back and he had just made a loyal customer so that was his tip. He just smiled and shooed me out). Back trip to hotel with same taxi driver. Tipped him 100BHT so total of 140BHT for trip from Soi Cowboy to Club 0. Then Club 0 to Radisson.

Anyways, enjoy the pics gentleman![/QUOTE]Can you give some more guidance / direction where Club O is located?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Somewhere15; 1394645]Can you give some more guidance / direction where Club O is located?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Just got back from Breakfast.

I'm a bit sleepy and as I mentioned before, I wasn't fully paying attention to direction BUT here is what I can recall.

Out of Soi Cowboy via opposite direction of Nana Plaza.

Took a immediate left when hit intersection and then drove parallel to main road (went off into smaller road).

He sped really fast then for perhaps 5-10k and we ended up in a empty road without much light.

Then doze off. And voila, at the building. Only place with lights on and a bunch of taxi's outside.

Neon sign lit and you can see alot of foreigners (especially Indians) gossiping.

Guy who took charge of me was Chinese and so so in English.

[QUOTE=Gen X Baer; 1394634]I'll definitely try and drop by Dr. BJ's or Annie's and write a report for then. Though I am trying to make a "documentary" of my adventure here and there can't really take pictures :P so maybe not! However, if I do, hope to meet Dr. BJ and thanks him for the good input on this forum!

Anyways, enjoy the pics gentleman![/QUOTE]Always a pleasure to meet board members. I was in Nana on Sunday night with Skogis and Used Day, had a blast and will post a report soon. If you do decide to pop in try to make it before Friday as I am off for 3 days showing a friend the sights (first timer to BKK so it should be interesting).

Regards,

BJ

Almost 3 weeks of mongering makes me all worn out so it was with mixed emotions my halfpinay picked me up at the airport yesterday morning. Usualy I don't let her use my car but this time was special so I even did let her pick me up at the airport. Bad mistake. I was probably still smelling pussy. But no she has calmed down as in I have told her no no no no no and no upon her questions if I did sth bad.

Well last night in Bangkok ended Monday morning with a nice street pick up girl from outside Grand President. She proved to be nice. I did write about this in my last FR inside this thread.

I woke up at around 11am and did some breakfast eating. Was far to worn out to go out so just ordered room service. I find that clubsandwiches at Grand president is ok but again how hard can it be to create a decent sandwich. You also get additional french fries which I don't realy fancy for breakfast as I am more of breadman / milkman. Just left them.

At around 1pm I start feel pressure raising in my boxers and it was Skogis junior waking up to say hello. I thought maby a wank when you find yourself in pussyparadise is a bit to lowlife so I showered and headed out to Beergarden (BG) for one last quick pick up. I ordered 1 Shinga. Took one sip and one nice looking tiny sweetie came up next to me. Before she even got the chance to ask me I told her I am from Norway, I have been in Asia a few weeks and I go home tonight (without beeing rude). I had a quick lookaround to see if there was sth better on the menu, did see a couple, but I chose the girl next to me. She told me her name was Nuk (Nik or Nok who gives a shit. They are just nicknames anyway. As her real name prob are sth like Ruindringat or sth. Nothing wrong with that, hehe) .31 yrs and she had this sweetness over her. We started walking and we had a nice chat. Send her off to 7-11 in Soi 11 so she could pick up some condoms and she arrived back with some nasty red ones smelled straberries. I waited in the Grand President tower 2 lobby. She arrived and we headed back to room.

She did her usual Thairoutine and when she came out she start playing my boner. She gave great BJ and she almost tricked me into coming a bit to fast. I found my sunblock factor 30 glewed her ass and popped her hard in the barn. Could not hold back to long so ripped off the fruit on my dick (condom) and she did a nice CIM with great suction as well. I watched she swallowed (quite rare Thaigirls do that but it happens). Great and giving girl and if I might add once again a nice experience from a BG girl.

Frankly to have frequented BG quite a few years now for additional daytime fucks I have to say I rarerly have been dissapointed. Quite sure there are few 9 and 10 ladies present. But a lot of 6-8 girls (and these girls almost never fail to performe good). I have watched some great lookings girls as well but few. What works the best for me at this location is to wait until a girl contacts you and come sit next to you. That means you have to do a tactical sitdown upon your aprroach so you don't sit your ass down between 2 big guys (that is nice for chatting but my BG moments are only for mongering and not for beeing friendly to other mongerers). Sit or stand where you easily can view ladies and they can view you and try to have space around for atleast a visit of 2 ladies. This due to many of the girls in BG operates in pairs. You can pick one of them but I guess they are more happy if both get picked. And we are all into it to make us self happy and the girls happy (not beeing to cheap moneywice). My Nuk was maby 160cm, very skinny and very good attitude. I would rate her a 7 for looks and 8 for performance (I did not let her performe to much in all fairness to her but great blowjobskills she did have and the rent of ass was more up to me as I did all the work). I gave her 2000. Which I decided from the beginning if she did well. She would easily did the same work for 1000. I was leaving the same afternoon and don't need Bahts anymore.

Later the evening Siemens girl (regular girl) came over after she finished her work. Arrived around 6pm and we had a couple of rounds as well. Just so I could sleep easily on the planes monkey class seat. Atleast I was drenched and I felt relaxed. She followed me to the airport and since I actually was leaving for home I thought "I don't see the point but why not" (maby she just like me. Crazy thought, hehe). She did the crying bit at the airport before me headed to the escalators up to security check (well I was actually a bit softhearted myself I will give her that as she is damn good and fine girl).

Writing this I will most certainly return soon again as this game never gets boring. I enjoy coming home to my normal environment and friends (and maby even have to say norwegian girlfriend) it is not like that but mongering is mongering. The freedom of choosing whoever you want whenever you want is hard to beat.

Bye bye

[QUOTE=KNowbody;1394564]Long time reader, first time poster, I'm kinda shy and private so excuse lack of casual tone if it comes across too much.[/QUOTE]Superb post. Thanks taking the time to write it up, and welcome to the ISG.

Bunky

[QUOTE=Wolf Hound; 1394714]What a nice alternative to the standard BJ bar on offer in Bangkok. This place literally blew my mind! Had an awesome time with Lek who is mid 20's with a pretty darn big chest but small at the waist!

I think I might head back over today![/QUOTE]Thanks for the report.

But how is it different than the "standard" BJ bar in BKK?

You pick a girl, she takes you upstairs, you blast a load in her throat, you pay and leave.

Not exactly a FR, but I just wanted to share my run-in with Dr. BJ.

A little bit late but better late then never I say.

Had the pleasure of meeting Dr. BJ today and IMHO the gentleman is a good guy.

Woke up around 15:00 due to the late arrival and adventure the previous night, but I had posted earlier that I would like to meet him and as he had responded that he'd be more then happy to meet a fellow ISG, I took him up on that.

Walked into his biz and caught him wrapped up in a little bit of work. From perception, the guy is down to earth just like any other person. Apart from of course he has a rockin business going on that I am most definitely jealous of :P LOL!

I offered to buy him a drink and he was kind enough to spare me an hour to just talk and share opinions and ideas.

Talked a little about politics, old times, our perception on the culture of both Korea, Thailand, etc.

Of course, shared his wisdom in regards to the mongering scene in BKK. Truly appreciated that as he had read up on some of my previous posts and knew I needed the tips.

All around, I look forward to running into him again in the future and will drop by his biz not only to take care of the little guy downstairs, but to have good small talk!

Cheers Dr. BJ!

It was definitely a pleasure meeting you.

Decided to visit Nana Plaza today around 12:00AM.

I actually got to know one of the CON members in the hotel, and caught him exactly on his shift end and he kindly offered me to drive me to Nana Plaza.

Well enough, the guy is pretty cool and goes by the name of Biggy. He didn't ask me for anything at the end of the trip.

We did a whole round trip of the block googling at the girls and joking a bit and once we got back to the main gate, he dropped me off and only asked I have a good time (and to watch out for the lady boys)!

This place is definately different from Soi Cowboy IMO to those who haven't been.

Three floors decked out with bars and a bit more intidmidating due to the closed corridors and rough-looking guys at the door of each bar, but still open and welcoming once inside.

My first drop was at Spanky's on the second floor. Once you enter the plaza, on your immediate left are a set of stairs (Lollipop is right next to it I beleive) , and saw the sign that they had fun shows. I decided to step in and grab a Cola as I do not drink. Got seated next to some British fellow, and he was a bit upset I think, as he wasn't very welcoming. I still said hallo and tried to small talk. He wasn't taking any of it so I let the man be and into 5 minutes he informed me that he was waiting for a friend. Took that as a hint that he wanted me to get lost. Thankfully, none of the goods displayed were to my liking. All small titties.

I was able to manage three shows during my twenty minute stay there. They have a small shower stall in the back where girls get in and get all wet and dance sexily for the audience. If you're into that kind of thing. Enjoy!

On the main stage. They had a Girl on Girl show at one moment where the ladies would lube each other with lotion and get all hot'and sexy. You can sit right up to the stage and as it's at your level, sometimes the girls will pull you in and joke around with you. Really friendly and fun place. However, as I mentioned. Nothing was appealing so I drank a Cola and walked out.

1 Cola: 140BHT.

Second stop was Angel Witch right next door. Dead! No one inside and the ladies were all sitting and maybe one or two on stage. Additionally, it's damn dark in there. I walked in, let my eyes adjust and the in charge tried dead hard to pull me in. I informed her I was just looking, and noticed all flat chests. Walked out.

Third was in DC-10 at the end of the 3rd floor. This place is pretty small compared to the other two mentioned above, but the concept was like an airplane. Chairs hugging both walls and a platform in the middle for the girls to dance on. Frankly speaking, there were only four on stage but they were the most fun and welcoming as compared to others. All of them smiled and teased you here and there (shaking the ass at you, flashing, quick question to make it look like they're interested in you). Also, the dancing was truly dancing. Not that fake shit where the girls are on stage just doing the shuffle. Actual shaking and movement like in a club. The waitress was quiet nice as well and didn't push in any way at all for tips toward the end like other places. Unfortunately, nothing was appealing same as before so I enjoyed a orange juice and walked out.

1 Orange Juice: 140BHT.

I then dropped by the some other bars that I can't recall. Some were just for ladyboys and others were completely empty (third floor especially). So I decided to head on to the first floor and gander at the FL. There was a lot of potential and truth be honest, I really am not afraid of ladyboys nor feel awkward around them. As long as they don't have a schlong, I'm cool with the fact that they've chosen to be a woman so I'll look at them that way. Just my perspective of course. But I'd definately prefer a woman! LOL.

As I was bird watching, got a little bit thirsty so walked toward 7-11 on the left side of the exit of Nana Plaza. On my way there, sexy little Joy caught my eye but I was more thirsty. Walked by her, got a Gatorade, and as I was walking back this little sexy thing grabs me and asks if she could be my gf for the night. SCORE!

From all the tips and hints that I've received from everyone, I played it cool and for once the little dude below didn't get the better of me. We talked about what she could provide and what she was expecting to receive. A+, BBBJ, COB, CFS, PIC ok (sharing with face covered) , Multiple pops on the plate for 2, 500BHT (LT). And off we went.

The pics will show a little bit of what happened but I won't get into that detail as there wasn't any special issues as Niu had done the previous night. Well behaved girl. She even showered with me and just had fun. Session lasted approximately 5 hours and 4 romps total. With tip and taxi money, total damage was 2, 700BHT.

Trip to Nana Plaza: Free.

Spending on drinks: 280 BHT.

Taxi back to hotel: 60BHT.

Joy: 2700 BHT.

Total Damage: 3040BHT.

Overall, a good day with some great experience. Tomorrow, I'll be dropping by Annie's as suggested by many. Unfortunately, no pics there and I won't be able to head out at night!

Nonetheless, enjoy gentleman!

Dude,

Great post! For someone who held out for a while, when you jumped in, you really jumped in!

[QUOTE=KNowbody; 1394564]Long time reader, first time poster, I'm kinda shy and private so excuse lack of casual tone if it comes across too much.

I came to Thailand 3 months ago without any actual intent to indulge in the local attractions so to speak, I regarded the entire thing as something of a curiosity more than something I could actually involve myself in personally but after dipping my toe in the water I've found although the experience can be mixed, it's certainly like nothing else available in the world right now. I can only write from the perspective I have experienced, so keeping that in mind; I'm a very large thirty something guy not too repulsive (I hope but maybe that's just bullshit self serving bias). <cut [/QUOTE]That is all anyone can offer, is there own experience. Entertaining post, to say the least.

[QUOTE=KNowbody;1394564]I started off trying Tulip out a couple months back just once, first P4P experience ever, the girl was somewhat mechanical but extremely raunchy in terms of being up for absolutely everything, I freaked out at various multiple points throughout the encounter, first when she pushed my legs up and started licking my ass which was a complete first for me and later on when she was jacking me off bareback into her mouth after a great sloppy deep blowjob telling me she wanted to taste my cum most of all. <cut>[/QUOTE]Tulip is a great place for a first experience. About mid level when it comes to lineup looks, but you do get your money's worth. Eden offers the "porn star experience", but I prefer Tulip.

[QUOTE=KNowbody;1394564]Needless to say after that experience I was somewhat interested to try more. <cut>[/QUOTE]No shit!

[QUOTE=KNowbody;1394564]Tall, nice big dick sucking lips and silicon enhances tits and quite good english but her character gives the impression of being something of a hustler, <cut>[/QUOTE]My twisted mind chuckled at this line, since you can read it as "nice BIG DICK sucking lips" or "NICE BIG dick sucking lips". I know you meant both. ;)

[QUOTE=KNowbody;1394564]I was feeling a little wild that day so I was buying drinks for three ladies at the same time, none of whose names I remember, they were exceptionally flirty and made ample use of the prime attraction at MT, which is a mirrored tabletop upon which they dance without underwear, plenty of spread legs and high velocity dance moves where the primary objective of said move appears to be to get a piece of you as close to a naughty piece of them as they can without actually touching you. The girls would take shifts dancing and the other two would sit one each side touching me up and rubbing / pushing my hands all over them, all in all frankly great fucking foreplay, so in the end I decided to barfine all three of them.<cut>[/QUOTE]

What part of shy and private did I not understand? ;)

[QUOTE=KNowbody;1394564]Five still not enough for me anyway so I was up for some more, I hit Soi Cowboy and looked around at the various agogo's just having a drink in each and moving on, my least favourite was the dollhouse where three girls were going pretty high pressure on me for drink buying and my most favourite was Cowboy 4 which had ridiculously hot women dancing extremely well and very cheeky / flirty behaviour from the girls to boot, I was happy to buy a few drinks here even though I didn't feel pressured into it at all. Definitely next time I go back to Cowboy I'll be going here. <cut>[/QUOTE]Did you mean Cowboy 2 or is there a new bar I missed?

[QUOTE=KNowbody;1394564]By the time that night had started winding down I didn't really see anything I felt drawn to take home and play with, so I just left it at the takeout for X and the foursome from magic table, I think next time though I could definitely enjoy spending some more time at Cowboy 4.[/QUOTE]I hope to see more of your adventures posted!

AT2

where do i find [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] i can't find it on golgle maps?

and whats the different from a normal bar or dr bj?

[quote=wolf hound; 1394714]what a nice alternative to the standard bj bar on offer in bangkok. this place literally blew my mind! had an awesome time with lek who is mid 20's with a pretty darn big chest but small at the waist!

i think i might head back over today![/quote]

[QUOTE=Gen X Baer; 1395016]<cut

Second stop was Angel Witch right next door. Dead! No one inside and the ladies were all sitting and maybe one or two on stage. Additionally, it's damn dark in there. I walked in, let my eyes adjust and the in charge tried dead hard to pull me in. I informed her I was just looking, and noticed all flat chests. Walked out.

Third was in DC-10 at the end of the 3rd floor. This place is pretty small compared to the other two mentioned above, but the concept was like an airplane. Chairs hugging both walls and a platform in the middle for the girls to dance on. Frankly speaking, there were only four on stage but they were the most fun and welcoming as compared to others. All of them smiled and teased you here and there (shaking the ass at you, flashing, quick question to make it look like they're interested in you). Also, the dancing was truly dancing. Not that fake shit where the girls are on stage just doing the shuffle. Actual shaking and movement like in a club. The waitress was quiet nice as well and didn't push in any way at all for tips toward the end like other places. Unfortunately, nothing was appealing same as before so I enjoyed a orange juice and walked out. <cut

As I was bird watching, got a little bit thirsty so walked toward 7-11 on the left side of the exit of Nana Plaza. On my way there, sexy little Joy caught my eye but I was more thirsty. Walked by her, got a Gatorade, and as I was walking back this little sexy thing grabs me and asks if she could be my gf for the night. SCORE!

<cut

Trip to Nana Plaza: Free.

Spending on drinks: 280 BHT.

Taxi back to hotel: 60BHT.

Joy: 2700 BHT.

Total Damage: 3040BHT.

Overall, a good day with some great experience. Tomorrow, I'll be dropping by Annie's as suggested by many. Unfortunately, no pics there and I won't be able to head out at night!

Nonetheless, enjoy gentleman![/QUOTE]I had a similar experience last week and through the weekend. Buyers market. Clubs were empty. Small clubs with a small selection of girls. Girls offering greatly reduced prices, from 500 baht to 1,500 baht. Rainbow 4 and Bacarra girls offering LT at short time rates. Not all the girls mind you, and not the top end girls, but enough of them and a good selection. A lot of freelancers near NEP. After the other poster had questions about a daily budget, I was also thinking about doing the "Priceless" routine too! LOL!

I spent an average of 8,000 baht per day, excluding the hotel. That is less than my normal budget. I did not hit any of the G-Clubs. Each day included 1,500 baht in meals, BTS all day pass, MRT, taxi's, and other incidentals. I had at least one massage each day, a freelancer, an oily or Nuru, and either a Soapy or a GoGo and sometimes both. The meals were 100 to 400 baht, BTS all day pass 130 baht, taxi's 40 baht, massage 400 baht, oily's 2,000 baht, freelancers 500 to 1,000 baht, Soapy's 2,600 to 3,200 baht, GoGo's about 3,000 baht (600 baht barfine, 2,000 for the girl, 140 to 160 baht beers, and girl drinks), and GoGo girls after hours about 1,500 baht.

The city is full of beautiful woman, at the hotels, stores. 7-11's, restaurants, and any place else you can think of. There was a hottie at Jaymart at the Siam Paragon. She would have fit right in with the Rainbow 4 lineup. I am sure she would be happy to sell you a JPad or a JFone!

AT2

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2; 1395038]I had a similar experience last week and through the weekend. Buyers market. Clubs were empty. Small clubs with a small selection of girls. Girls offering greatly reduced prices, from 500 baht to 1, 500 baht. Rainbow 4 and Bacarra girls offering LT at short time rates. Not all the girls mind you, and not the top end girls, but enough of them and a good selection. A lot of freelancers near NEP. After the other poster had questions about a daily budget, I was also thinking about doing the "Priceless" routine too! LOL!

I spent an average of 8, 000 baht per day, excluding the hotel. That is less than my normal budget. I did not hit any of the G-Clubs. Each day included 1, 500 baht in meals, BTS all day pass, MRT, taxi's, and other incidentals. I had at least one massage each day, a freelancer, an oily or Nuru, and either a Soapy or a GoGo and sometimes both. The meals were 100 to 400 baht, BTS all day pass 130 baht, taxi's 40 baht, massage 400 baht, oily's 2, 000 baht, freelancers 500 to 1, 000 baht, Soapy's 2, 600 to 3, 200 baht, GoGo's about 3, 000 baht (600 baht barfine. 2,000 for the girl. 140 to 160 baht beers, and girl drinks) , and GoGo girls after hours about 1, 500 baht.

The city is full of beautiful woman, at the hotels, stores. 7-11's, restaurants, and any place else you can think of. There was a hottie at Jaymart at the Siam Paragon. She would have fit right in with the Rainbow 4 lineup. I am sure she would be happy to sell you a JPad or a JFone!

AT2[/QUOTE]Maybe more than we think are reading this site and the word is getting out what a rip off the clubs and Gogo's are.

That is a good thing for everyone who goes to those places if prices are in fact lower due to lack of customers.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1395070]Maybe more than we think are reading this site and the word is getting out what a rip off the clubs and Gogo's are.

That is a good thing for everyone who goes to those places if prices are in fact lower due to lack of customers.[/QUOTE]The Yen has been in free fall against the Baht in recent months (20% drop) , and perhaps its now taking a toll on Japanese visitors.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1395070]Maybe more than we think are reading this site and the word is getting out what a rip off the clubs and Gogo's are.

That is a good thing for everyone who goes to those places if prices are in fact lower due to lack of customers.[/QUOTE]If they are such a rip off it does not matter how cheap the price is, so how can it be good for anyone at all?

[QUOTE=Gen X Baer; 1395002]Cheers Dr. BJ!

It was definitely a pleasure meeting you.[/QUOTE]The pleasure in the meeting experience was mutual. I thoroughly enjoyed our conversation comparing notes not only on the scene in Bangkok but different aspects about SE Asia in general. While you are here please feel free to pop in, in fact I will be going to Cowboy on Saturday night with a friend so if you would like to join us give me a call. The number of my business cell is on the web site. Just one question. The latest pic's you posted, are those breasts real or enhanced? As I have stated on here before my preference is for small pert breasts but those looked very alluring indeed. Harold, not including the girls face is called dignity, give it a try some time mate.

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1395067]A naked vagina and braless tits arent all that much fun to see without the face.

How about you show the face and keep the rest to yourself. LOL.[/QUOTE]I think that's your personal opinion.

I've been getting a lot of PM's saying good job with the pics and not minding the face being censored.

Plus, if the girls ask to hide their face if open to having their picture posted online, I'm not going to be a ass about it and lie to them.

Though it is a service we have paid for, they are still human beings after all.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1395067]A naked vagina and braless tits arent all that much fun to see without the face.[/QUOTE]I don't know which pictures you have been looking at as from those images I cannot even see wheteher she shaved or not. Thise pictures seem great to me! A change from the gyno ones.

[QUOTE=Ehunter;1395106]If they are such a rip off it does not matter how cheap the price is, so how can it be good for anyone at all?[/QUOTE]Luvpuss just think it's a ripoff because the top flight girls don't offer anal nor rawdagging and creampies

[QUOTE=KNowbody;1394564]Next up I tried Dr BJ's for the first time and frankly realised how much I had just been fucking around with the others, for my tastes this place is perfect, they have a lineup of "Nurses" and "Consultants" which are distinguished primarily by the nurses being a bit chunkier and although I only tried one nurse before sticking completely to the consultants only after the past two week, it seems their technique is not quite as good either.[/QUOTE]Welcome to the forum. Well done for taking the time to post such a detailed report. I am glad you enjoyed visiting the Salon and thank you very much for sharing that with the BM's.

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Harold444;1395067]How about you show the face and keep the rest to yourself. LOL.[/QUOTE]How about you show us all a photo of what you are fucking? There again don't bother. A picture of your right hand wouldn't be much fun!

I think we are getting a bit off track here Gent's. Having met and mongered with both Fruit Ninja and Skogis I believe I can give an unbiased assessment. Skogis is not a rebellious teenager posting on this and possibly other forums whilst jacking off in his basement with one ear open to make sure he does not get rumbled by his mother. I know both his age and his occupation, neither of which I will be divulging here. Suffice to say he earns very good money with his chosen occupation. If anyone takes the time to analyze one of his last posts it is clear he makes enough reddies to monger extensively and keep his Norwegian girlfriend in the dark. There is no way you can pull this off if you don't have the financial clout to conceal it. I spoke to Skogis for at least two hours the very first time I met him. At my age I can quickly become disinterested in a conversation if it lacks interesting content, that didn't happen. Before he left we arranged a night of go-go mongering (a scene which was new to him) and I will have no hesitation going out with him again if he feels so inclined to do so. How much he, or anyone else for that matter, decides to spend when they come to Bangkok is their business alone. Sure people can say it is not for them and they employ different tactics. But to heavily criticize someone for this is short-sighted and narrow minded. Believe me there are people who spend a lot more on a nights entertainment than Skogis does. Let me know when you will be back in town and perhaps this time you can show me mongering from your side of the fence.

Fruit Ninja is an equally pleasurable chap. I managed to converse with him just as easily as I did with Skogis and in the same manner we agreed to hit the town before he had to catch his flight back to USA. Ironically on both occasions it was NEP we went to. The only difference is FN and myself hit up Annie's the following day for some pre-booked action, both of us left smiling. We headed to one of my favourite restaurants and had a very nice meal before he had to go and pack for his flight. The reality is I would have felt comfortable sitting there talking away. I would not consider myself a rude person (some may do) but if I don't want to talk to someone or go out with them then I won't.

What annoyed FN was skogis reference to Americans having a higher propensity to be annoying. I think there are some cultural differences at play here. Europeans find it easier to talk to or spend time with other Europeans as we have a closer heritage. The World does not universally hate Americans just for being Americans. IMO "some" Americans can come across as lacking cultural awareness or sensitivity for other races. Harold, saying people are full of shit for posting honest reports is about as much use as Tuna flavoured vaginal lube. Please try not to comment on things you have zero knowledge about. If both you guys are back in town at the same time (and you both contact me to tell me you are) I suggest we all get together and "give it large" on a night out. What say the two of you?

So let's stop picking pepper out of fly shit and get back to sharing information about the girls we fuck and the places we go to so that like minded people can benefit from our collective experiences. I will be showing a complete green horn around Bangkok this weekend so I will start the ball rolling in the right direction with some juicy FR's, lets all try to maintain the momentum guy's.

Regards.

BJ

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2; 1395038]I had a similar experience last week and through the weekend. Buyers market. Clubs were empty. Small clubs with a small selection of girls. Girls offering greatly reduced prices, from 500 baht to 1, 500 baht. Rainbow 4 and Bacarra girls offering LT at short time rates. Not all the girls mind you, and not the top end girls, but enough of them and a good selection. A lot of freelancers near NEP. After the other poster had questions about a daily budget, I was also thinking about doing the "Priceless" routine too! LOL!

I spent an average of 8, 000 baht per day, excluding the hotel. That is less than my normal budget. I did not hit any of the G-Clubs. Each day included 1, 500 baht in meals, BTS all day pass, MRT, taxi's, and other incidentals. I had at least one massage each day, a freelancer, an oily or Nuru, and either a Soapy or a GoGo and sometimes both. The meals were 100 to 400 baht, BTS all day pass 130 baht, taxi's 40 baht, massage 400 baht, oily's 2, 000 baht, freelancers 500 to 1, 000 baht, Soapy's 2, 600 to 3, 200 baht, GoGo's about 3, 000 baht (600 baht barfine. 2,000 for the girl. 140 to 160 baht beers, and girl drinks) , and GoGo girls after hours about 1, 500 baht.

The city is full of beautiful woman, at the hotels, stores. 7-11's, restaurants, and any place else you can think of. There was a hottie at Jaymart at the Siam Paragon. She would have fit right in with the Rainbow 4 lineup. I am sure she would be happy to sell you a JPad or a JFone!

AT2[/QUOTE]When I was there Rainbow-4 was at about half capacity but Baccara was busting at the seams. There was barely a seat open. I couldn't help but think what would happen there in case of fire especially with that stupid staircase to the second floor.

So is there a reason for such a difference in one month?

FN

Hey all,

Came across this forum 3 days back while I was searching for some gogo bar reviews. Lurked around for sometime. Decided to register and introduce myself.

Have a upcoming trip to Bangkok in April. Wanted to see what was going on. Have visited Bangkok around 3 times now.

First was an all business trip. No mongering that time.

2nd time was 2 years back, I stayed on Silom road and decided to do venture out and check out the scene. Went to Patpong where I frequented this Kings Court 2 gogo bar. Really nice experience. Picked up the best looking girl for 3K baht inclusive of room and bar fine etc who was not that great service wise (as is usually the case everywhere). Didn't shower together. Gave me a covered BJ and FS. No DFK as well. Not VFM at all.

Next day I went again, this time a bit late around 12ish. Picked up a real cute looking fresh one this time who somehow was given a miss that evening by the regulars. 2K Baht ST inclusive of room etc. This one joined me in the shower and really enjoyed DFK. Good GFE for a ST. If I had not an early morning flight, I would have definitely gone LT, maybe even book her for couple of days. Sigh. Still regret it.

3rd time was a year back. This time a few friends were already there for a few days for a birthday bash. They already had picked up some uzbek girls from Shock39 club and insisted I do the same. Went to this club alongwith them. Club was full of fellow Indian mongers. Some of the stunners were actually being competed upon. LOL. So kinda hated the club pick up scene. Sadly too many of us are now descending to LOS and spoiling the market. Some bad behaviour from few have also ruined it for many of us. Anyway I picked up late 20ish but decent looking Uzbek who was smiling at me. Turned out she didn't drink or smoke which was great as I am non-smoker. All of the others were smoking like chimneys. Quoted 5K for ST. I offered 6K for LT plus some extra if she made me happy. FS pretty basic but lots of DFK and GFE. Paid 1K extra. Called her next day as well as I didn't feel like going out to pick up. Took her out for dinner as well and then the usual in the evening. Good time overall.

Stayed at the Dawin near Nana where I don't think will stay again. Room was neat but too small and had no view. Felt very cramped.

This time in April may stay a bit longer around 5 days or so. Will not be going for Uzbeks / disco this time. Gogo bars (Baccara, Shark etc) and places like Dr. BJ Bar and Poseidon (or any other suggestions) etc on the mind. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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[QUOTE=Gen X Baer;1395165]if the girls ask to hide their face if open to having their picture posted online, I'm not going to be a ass about it and lie to them.[/QUOTE]Fair enough (though I doubt that even with eyes uncovered anyone could pick her out of a line up) but why the watermark? Really think someone wants to steal your cellphone pics?

[QUOTE=FruitNinja; 1395220]When I was there Rainbow-4 was at about half capacity but Baccara was busting at the seams. There was barely a seat open. I couldn't help but think what would happen there in case of fire especially with that stupid staircase to the second floor.

So is there a reason for such a difference in one month?

FN[/QUOTE]The only thing that was happening was the election, and I do not think it would affect the market. I wish I could answer the question, but your guess is as good as mine. It did seem slow compared to all my previous visits to the LOS.

AT2

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1395214]So let's stop picking pepper out of fly shit and get back to sharing information about the girls we fuck

BJ[/QUOTE]What a great line, I'll try to remember it for a worth occasion.

Here's my mini contribution for the day, was at Insanity few nights ago, total seller market. Only seen two really remarkable creatures, they were at the same table. Cover charge 300b, way too much. Asked one girl, she wanted 2K and would not budge, no vibe, left, strolled a little, nothing to be had, and called it a night.

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2; 1395308]The only thing that was happening was the election, and I do not think it would affect the market. I wish I could answer the question, but your guess is as good as mine. It did seem slow compared to all my previous visits to the LOS.

AT2[/QUOTE]It might be worth trying next year to see if its an anomaly or a yearly think. I'm not a bargain hunter per se but when I was there the odds were definitely in the girls favor bargaining wise.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Arjun31; 1394572]CANDY Was pretty lazy and did not want to go out to the go-go bars at NEP even though I was staying pretty close to it. I had done some reserach before going to BKK so called Cherry massage for an out call (

[url]http://cherrymassagebkk.com/[/url]

) asked for CANDY and she was available.

Age : Between late 20s. Early 30s.

Body: 7. 5/10.

Face: 7/10.

Service : 10/10.

Skill : 8/10.

GFE: 9/10.

Just perfect timing called them at about 10 PM there she was with her friend Apple (for my friend) by 10. 30 PM. Well dressed with a broad smile over her face. I was in my friends room when they had arrived she seemed a bit shy at first compared to Apple who was all over me and my friend and even suggested that we all do it in the same room. But after a drink I left with Candy to my room and once we were in she transformed totally into one sweet sexy girl who could talk good english. After a while we hopped into the shower and then on to the bed where she tried every damn thing she knew BBBJ, HJ, BJ (with her super natural BBs) , then doggy, Miss, Sideways but I was just not coming and then out of no where she removes some lub and rubs it over my LB (protected) and offers me her beautiful, curvy ass. My first anal and man it felt good and I shoot my load off on the nest few strokes. She was a totally satiaflying experience and was keen on me having as many shots. But I was already tired and was happy with only one as I had come twice ealier at Annies. We showered again and she left with her friend.

Dammage : 2500 baths + 500 Tip[/QUOTE]But wasn't she quite large compared to her photos?

[quote=wolf hound; 1395286]had a wander last night and decided to stop in at the nuru slide to see what the deal is. was met on reception by a very ill mannered gentleman who gave me the run down and pricing structure which isn't the best in all honesty. his description of proceedings was fairly misleading and alarming and insisted on telling me to make the girl do what i want!

the line up was poor and my money is better appreciated in a comfortable and professional manner such as cherry or apple. i will pass on the nuru slide from dr bj and continue with the solid performance of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] and apple massage.[/quote]if you track wh's posts it's clear that he has some issue with the dr. bj's establishments and continually posts negatively about any and all things related to dr. bj. it also appears that he has never been a paying customer of said establishments, so it leads one to wonder just what is his problem. you'll see that most of his posts have been deleted by the admin as being argumentative. i expect that i am speaking for the majority of members of this board when i write that he has no credibility with us.

c4t

[QUOTE=Mangoes; 1395260]Hey all,

Came across this forum 3 days back while I was searching for some gogo bar reviews. Lurked around for sometime. Decided to register and introduce myself.

Have a upcoming trip to Bangkok in April. Wanted to see what was going on. Have visited Bangkok around 3 times now.

First was an all business trip. No mongering that time.

2nd time was 2 years back, I stayed on Silom road and decided to do venture out and check out the scene. Went to Patpong where I frequented this Kings Court 2 gogo bar. Really nice experience. Picked up the best looking girl for 3K baht inclusive of room and bar fine etc who was not that great service wise (as is usually the case everywhere). Didn't shower together. Gave me a covered BJ and FS. No DFK as well. Not VFM at all.

Next day I went again, this time a bit late around 12ish. Picked up a real cute looking fresh one this time who somehow was given a miss that evening by the regulars. 2K Baht ST inclusive of room etc. This one joined me in the shower and really enjoyed DFK. Good GFE for a ST. If I had not an early morning flight, I would have definitely gone LT, maybe even book her for couple of days. Sigh. Still regret it.

3rd time was a year back. This time a few friends were already there for a few days for a birthday bash. They already had picked up some uzbek girls from Shock39 club and insisted I do the same. Went to this club alongwith them. Club was full of fellow Indian mongers. Some of the stunners were actually being competed upon. LOL. So kinda hated the club pick up scene. Sadly too many of us are now descending to LOS and spoiling the market. Some bad behaviour from few have also ruined it for many of us. Anyway I picked up late 20ish but decent looking Uzbek who was smiling at me. Turned out she didn't drink or smoke which was great as I am non-smoker. All of the others were smoking like chimneys. Quoted 5K for ST. I offered 6K for LT plus some extra if she made me happy. FS pretty basic but lots of DFK and GFE. Paid 1K extra. Called her next day as well as I didn't feel like going out to pick up. Took her out for dinner as well and then the usual in the evening. Good time overall.

Stayed at the Dawin near Nana where I don't think will stay again. Room was neat but too small and had no view. Felt very cramped.

This time in April may stay a bit longer around 5 days or so. Will not be going for Uzbeks / disco this time. Gogo bars (Baccara, Shark etc) and places like Dr. BJ Bar and Poseidon (or any other suggestions) etc on the mind. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Alrighty then.

5 years ago I had a great GFE from Nana car park. Thank you.

[QUOTE=Gen X Baer; 1395165]I think that's your personal opinion.

I've been getting a lot of PM's saying good job with the pics and not minding the face being censored.

Plus, if the girls ask to hide their face if open to having their picture posted online, I'm not going to be a ass about it and lie to them.

Though it is a service we have paid for, they are still human beings after all.[/QUOTE]I'm glad I re-read your post. Originally, I thought you said "I'm going to be an ass about it."

I agree with you 100. I think it would be assholish to post an identifying picture without consent.

[QUOTE=Old New Guy; 1395338]What a great line, I'll try to remember it for a worth occasion.

Here's my mini contribution for the day, was at Insanity few nights ago, total seller market. Only seen two really remarkable creatures, they were at the same table. Cover charge 300b, way too much. Asked one girl, she wanted 2K and would not budge, no vibe, left, strolled a little, nothing to be had, and called it a night.[/QUOTE]You can avoid the cover charge if you enter through the restaurant. The only thing is you don't get a free drink.

Last night I'm sitting in Cowboy Bar 1 2 and I got one cutie with me, who is 21 and she says to me," Wow I feel old these girls are mostly a lot younger than me." I think nothing of it.

I'm drinking and checking out all the LBFMs trying to make up my mind on a GF for my GF.

Then the mamason starts running around going crazy, yelling at the girls and pulling girls off the stage. I'm trying to figure out what's going on so I go outside and there is about 20-30 cops coming down the soi with signs and going into all the bars.

One on the signs says "Stop bring our children into begging." Oh, so that's what they're calling it these days. LOL.

Pics attached,

Cheers and happy beggar hunting.

[quote=crazy4thai; 1395407]if you track wh's posts it's clear that he has some issue with the dr. bj's establishments and continually posts negatively about any and all things related to dr. bj. it also appears that he has never been a paying customer of said establishments, so it leads one to wonder just what is his problem. you'll see that most of his posts have been deleted by the admin as being argumentative. i expect that i am speaking for the majority of members of this board when i write that he has no credibility with us.

c4t[/quote]it's a matter of debate whether you speak for the majority. it does seem that when a member posts a less than flattering review of the doc's operation whether on the quality of service or the quality of the providers thay are immediaedly pounced on as having some conspiratorial hidden agenda. of late the scot himself has adopted a new ' i'm everybody's best new friend' persona in an attempt to encourage more traffic to his shops. and leaves the attacks on his detractors to his "surrogates".

my issues with him is that he uses the forum more than anybody else to promote his business. that's ok. and some will like his place while others won't. those that don't have the right to post their experience without being ridiculed but he cannot accept the criticism and previously would personalise his response in a demeaning tone. now he leaves that to some members who seem to have some kind of personal relationship with him. if you use the forum to promote youself like he does, you have to live with the consequences, take the good with the not so good.

another of my issues is that he essentially upped the price of a bj to 1000. ok ok i know i know the nurses are 700 but they are so obviously inferior in looks to the so called consultants that i would hazard a guess that most punters end up paying the 1000 when at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] or sol or lollipop the same service with similar or superior quality would be 700 or 800.

also the oily which is in fact what nuru gel is is staffed by the least attractive crew in town in that p4p space but he charges as much if not more than shops like snow white, angle, ez etc where the talent is infinitely better. that said i do accept his places are clean and the service may be acceptable some of the time.

the purpose of the forum is to share and inform so that especially new arrivals are aware of the scene here. dr bj has his place in the scheme of things but what he provides most particularly in the quality of the girls is below average. this is simply a fact of life known to all who have visited soi7/1 and passed by his places. most long term residents familiar with both quality and pricing would i feel agree with this assessment.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1395471]You can avoid the cover charge if you enter through the restaurant. The only thing is you don't get a free drink.[/QUOTE]Great tip Tony, thanks a bunch!

[QUOTE=FruitNinja; 1395373]It might be worth trying next year to see if its an anomaly or a yearly think. I'm not a bargain hunter per se but when I was there the odds were definitely in the girls favor bargaining wise.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Based on the posts by you, Skogis, and Dr. BJ, I may have been in town the same time as you were. Just the week before and after the election. I do not think it is the time of year, since this has never been a slow period on my past visits. I believe it's a anomaly. Dr. BJ lives in BKK, so he could have some insight.

AT2

[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1395291]Fair enough (though I doubt that even with eyes uncovered anyone could pick her out of a line up) but why the watermark? Really think someone wants to steal your cellphone pics?[/QUOTE]To be honest, it's cause I've gotten enough shit from people on here saying pics were taken from amateur pages or they do take and claim as their own. U might not be someone to do so, but trust me, there are those who don't actually venture yet post fantasies online as FR.

Plus, is it that bad that I want to stamp each pic with watermarks?

I had a chance to visit Annie's couple of weeks back. I dint know the place, it took a bit of searching after reaching NANA and its hidden behind the car park of Raja hotel, Annie's club is visible from far off and once you are there, just few steps away is the MP and once you enter, its on the 1st floor. There is a bar counter at the entrance and once you walk in further, the fishbowl is seen. I was there around 2 pm and most of the girls were busy, the lady mamasan, not aey, I don't know her name was very rude and pushy.

I was in mood for a soapy and had not been to Annie's before so asked her for advice and she was like these 3 girls are only avaiable and all are good and if you want you take.

By then there was one girl who just walked in the fish bowl, so I thot she looked better out of all, a little short and nice firm ass and small tits. Tough one can be easily fooled by the wonder bras. Anyways, having not much of a choice, I choose her.

Paid upfront 2500.

Off to the room, very old rooms and the open tub and shower in one area and a small bed at the other end. She put the tub for filling and wen to get the liquids and soaps. In about 10 mins she was back and then we were fully naked. She had a firm ass, by looks she looked in 20's but I asked her, she was 32. But great smile and attitude. She was friendly and chatting, english was poor but was trying to explain me about the place and stufff. She gave me a good scrub and rub in the bath tub and washed we and my willy, which was by now was hard as a rock. She was joking and playing with it. Then she threw the soapy solution on the mat on the floor to make it slippery and told me to lye on that once I was on that, she poured more soapy solution on to me and then started to slide up and down her tiny body against mine. It felt great and she then started kissing all over my chest and gave a BBBJ and asked me to turn over. Then slided her ass against mine an her tits rubbing my ass. After a while she slides her legs between mine and her body was rubbing my dick.

She turn me over and teased my dick and gave BBBJ and HJ to finish me off.

After this she gave me a wash in the tub and gave towel to dy myself. After we both mover to the small bed and then she starte to massage me and started chatting up and bitching about the mamasan and said she was a bad one. And one of the guys at the bar was part owners. And just told about where she was from in Thailand. And I am starting to get horny again and she notices that and she teases me. And says lets puk (fcuk). She give a BBBJ for few mins and then covers my dick, I turn her around and start to fcuk her doggy style and she starts some fake moaning. Lolz! She was enjoying though, but just too much moaning. Then we switched position, she was on top of me and riding me like crazy. And I shot. And in few mins, I decided to leave and tipped her and left the place.

Overall an ok experience. Not that great as I was expecting. ! Especially the choice of girls and the mamasan attitude was very bad.

The MP girl.

Overall looks. 6.5.

Service. 7.

Attitude- 7. 5

last month had been to addicts massage. a new one i came across, just next to snow white mp, as there were some girls outside calling over, i thought would check it out. went inside the establishment looks sort of new from inside. at the reception was the lady mamasan and a room opposite where all the girls were sitting. the lady mamasan was good to talk to and was showing all the prices written on a menu card. i took special oil massage 2100 (inclusive of fs). and it was time to choose the girl.

there is sofa kept in the lobby and all the girls are called out. there were about 12 girls at the moment (this was around evening 6 pm).

all the girls were were wearing a uniform sorts, i dunno if it was the special for that day or its their usual dress code. it was like an airline staff dress-up. i selected a girl name yuri, she seemed to be the best out of what was available. she has a nice firm ass and tits and she gave me good eye contact, smiling, so i got some good vibes. i am just hoping she is not the starfish types.

she got me some water and took me upstairs. the rooms are small with a small bed and a cubicle to take bath. one downside more is that the doors have a glass on them and anyone can peep into it, its like i think for them to not overshoot the time or some signal from mamasan that the time is up. anyways!

we started taking shower and she was scrubing me. talking a bit, but she gave me a mechanical bbbj, it wasnt great. and i was just playing with tits and seemed like she was not very comfy with my fingers running up her pussy, (i am already wondering this might not be a good experience).

after this we are dry and on the bed and she is massaging my chest and reaches for my dick stroking it. there was hardly any massage. anyways, no complains (i am thinking lets get down to business). she says fcuk? i said yeh. i started playing with her tits and sucking them and she covers my willey and i take her in the missionary style and very mechanical moans. in gave a good pounding and she was holding tight on to me. (i was wondering am i too rough or she is enjoying ). anyways. i finish up and she cleans me up and we are back on to the massage. i tried to make some conversation. but she could hardly communicate and just the basic things like whats your name and where are you from. just some information exchange. (also they are worried that we do not complain to mamasan).

i flip around and she massages my back and legs. though it wasn't a good massage, but anyways. i was a bit tired walking out in the heat and it was a good time to relax and after about 30 mins or so. i get horny again and want to play with her pussy. i start to run my fingers and she is a bit hesitant. wtf. anyways. i say lets fcuk. then she covers my dick and i say turn around and i start pounding her from behind in dogy. she was saying something in thai, so i stopped for a bit and was about to pull out, but then she then holds me tight and thrusts her body, i believe she was ok with it. so i continued for a while and shot out.

i was getting bored of this mechanical thing and dint want to stay more even though time was not up. so i said i have to go and tipped her and left.

overall not that great considering the regular mps such as mango, snow whites, etc.

the girl.

looks. 6.5.

service- 6.

attitude- 5

A picture is worth a thousand words. Love my LBFMs.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Gen X Baer; 1395546]To be honest, it's cause I've gotten enough shit from people on here saying pics were taken from amateur pages or they do take and claim as their own. U might not be someone to do so, but trust me, there are those who don't actually venture yet post fantasies online as FR.

Plus, is it that bad that I want to stamp each pic with watermarks?[/QUOTE]Sounds like you know what you're doing. Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1392019]Luckely I know the shortcut from Grand President to Beergarden, BG, (Soi 11 to Soi 7) and so I went.[/quote][QUOTE=Lord Farquard;1392199]There is a driveway next to the pizza place across from the GP, it will take you through a couple of parking lots. That should get you there.[/QUOTE]Since I wandered aimlessly with these instructions, allow me to correct them.

It is the alleyway right at the Park hotel, about 100m in the direction of Suk from that pizza place.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai; 1395407]If you track WH's posts it's clear that he has some issue with the Dr. BJ's establishments and continually posts negatively about any and all things related to DR. BJ. It also appears that he has never been a paying customer of said establishments, so it leads one to wonder just what is his problem. You'll see that most of his posts have been deleted by the Admin as being argumentative. I expect that I am speaking for the majority of members of this board when I write that he has no credibility with us.

C4T[/QUOTE]I was at both of the Dr's venues and had a very nice time. I think this guy is full of it and has a hard on for the good Dr.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1395629]I was at both of the Dr's venues and had a very nice time. I think this guy is full of it and has a hard on for the good Dr.[/QUOTE]I disagree, WH is a monger like everyone else. He has valid points, again like everyone else. This is a place to share good and bad with others. So if people don't like a particular place so be it.

Always wondered what you would put on a Work Permit for managing a BJ bar. A few other bar owners in Soi 4 have just been caught (stickmans web page). Knock knock

Been reading old post and maybe I just missed it, but I haven't seen the Thermae mentioned. Been around for over 10 years and seems to be getting some fresh blood pumped into the place.

I hear everyone talkin about going to Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza, but no one has stopped by The Thermae, which from what I've experienced the last couple days is worth a look. Tons of freelacers lined up right around the whole bar. Full of 7s and a few 8s in the bunch. All over 18 they have a cop working inside, so no worries, can't say the same for other places.

Girls are wanting 2K to 2. 5k LT, but I've been hanging out around the place for many years and after closing everyone party and eats on the street I've even got a couple no charge just need a bed for the night and had a great time. They said no sex and I said ok, well it wasn't 30 sec. Before one of them had my cock in her hand.

Anyway to get back to the place a lot of Japanese Mongers were in there; I was watching outside and they were looking at maps and GPS to find the place, but I think that's what is attracting some lookers because the girls like the Japanese guys small dicks and big wallets or so the girls have told me.

Anyway for anyone that doesn't know about the place or it has been off your radar for some time check it out; it's beside The Sofitel Hotel in the basement of the The Ruamchitt Hotel 199 Sukhumvit Soi 15. Very handy if your staying at The Ruamchitt Hotel. 1200B for an old room and 1600B for a renovated room.

Anyway the Thermae is worth a look fellow mongers, for cheap drinks and there were over 100 freelacers in there last night.

I'm going back tonight had good luck last night so why not, good GFE and I didn't have to drop over 3000B like at Cowboy or Nana, where I've spent closer to 6000B most nights for a looker with drinks etc, but poor GFE. They're cuties and they know it, a real let down.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Lotus303;1395639]Always wondered what you would put on a Work Permit for managing a BJ bar. A few other bar owners in Soi 4 have just been caught (stickmans web page). Knock knock[/QUOTE]What you put is irrlevant. You can be for example, a "premises manager". They have been caught because they had no Work Permit, or were doings tasks not allowed to foreigners (and these are very many). This latter is can be arranged to be ignored by the police, the first much less.

[quote=sxxxx;1393931]some might say you should have gone back to get your bt2000 and report her attempted theft, not me. you did the right thing. if you had returned to bar and caused her great loss of face, as it would be, she might have invented a claim of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] etc and then you might have had to spend valuable hours that you will never get back again, at a police station etc. you might even have to bribe the girl and police to drop the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] charge, maybe bt10, 000 lol.[/quote]sorry, but that's bs. going to the bar is exactly what he should have done, because even if they (bar owner, mamasan) may seem oblivious to complains, be reassured they take things in perspective. you will find that since loss of face is such a big matter for thais, a 'normal' thai thinks twice before doing something that may cause that to happen, so justice would have been served, in a way. and fortunately the cops here are not know to take seriously fake [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] claims, and not even shake foreigners by taking an occasional side with petty thieves, simply because that could do them more harm than good. thailand can be corrupt and dangerous, but is not some country in africa or latin america.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1395438]The inside baseball story on bargirls.

Just anecdotal evidence. LOL.

Two friends share apt. One very pretty and young, works Rainbow 4 and does ok as far as I can see. The other one, whom I've never seen, works at Sharks in Soi Cowboy. Why. Because apparently she has stretch marks, ain't no girl with stretch mark going to make it at Rainbow 4. Guys don't go there and pay 2000+ for stretch marks. LOL.

Moral of story- I really do think girls know what they are worth. They not accepting 1000 baht because you so nice and hansum and can give them multiple orgasms. LOL.[/QUOTE]Eh? I have seen some ghastly women in RB4 who clearly have had babies. Walked in the other night and walked out again because there was nothing but hiefers in the front of both stages. Maybe it's the lighting that is different. I once partook from the upstairs Mandarin and back in the room with the lights on I saw stretch marks galore that had been completely hidden by the reddish flashing lights they have. But I agree with the fact that most girls learn quickly where they stand on the baht money train. In some ways it is a perfect model of supply and demand and these girls get it without an MBA. If those chunky girls that I saw in RB4 are getting 2, 000 baht, the world has truly gone sex mad!

[QUOTE=Old New Guy;1395722]Sorry, but that's BS. You will find that since loss of face is such a big matter for Thais, a 'normal' Thai thinks twice before doing something that may cause that to happen,[/QUOTE]Sorry but thats my opinion. You can call it what you like, but its my opinion.

A normal Thai you say. Prostitutes are not normal Thais and red light district bars are not normal either.

Things can happen. Skogis did right, put it down to experience, moved on, and enjoyed the night. You'd be back there at the bar arguing the toss between girl and mamasan, screwing up your night, all for Baht2000 on vacation. Now that is BS, LOL.

End of subject for me.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1395961]If those chunky girls that I saw in RB4 are getting 2, 000 baht, the world has truly gone sex mad![/QUOTE]No. The world has moved on and the days of $10 working girls has passed. There is such a thing as inflation and the Thai girls don't worry about exchange rates merely that what cost them.

Baht 1,000 fifteen years ago now costs them Baht 2,000. Market forces, dear boy.

First time visiting Annie's and the directions provided on forum is great.

Easiest is just head to Nana Plaza and keep walking down the road. Eventually you'll see a sign (if Nana Plaza is on your left) on the right hand side of the street,"Annie's DO & DO."

Take that alleyway and keep walking to the far end of the street until you see the famous sign and head up stairs.

It was pretty funny as the moment I walked in, mamasan basically pushed me towards the fishbowl and said,"girl love you long time, shower, bath, bubbly, suck suck, and sex. All 2, 500BHT" without taking a moment to breathe. I just chuckled and told her I was looking for #24. She wasn't there (most of the girls on the website or that are worth arrive past 17:00PM it seems). I then mentioned I was looking for a GFE girl. She spoke into the mirophone and roughly said,"girl who can suck dick for long time and kiss alot!" Then those who did stood up and those who didn't just stayed still. I asked her for PSE then. She had no idea what that meant. Then I asked if anyone was A+ level, she informed me no girl did it at Annie's (really?)

I didn't want to wait so I asked the girls to line up again. #35 appealed. A bit short. Face is decent (not pretty, nor beautiful, more of cute). Body. She is small in height about 5'4 perhaps, and has a caring attitude. Went ahead and bought her a drink as I wanted to set the social mood and help ease the new meeting. She got a beer, I got a Cola and we both walked into RM#10. All the basics inside.

We talked and giggled for a while. Apparently the mamasan and girls share news as she knew I was waiting on #24 in the start. She told me that #24 was really tall and cute, so alot of gentleman push to see her and is highly favored. So gentleman, if you're into looks then #24 is for you, I suppose.

#35 is a playful one. Though her english is not perfect, she really tried to communicate and make the session fun and inspiring. I told her I wanted to have a relaxing yet fun time, and she took charge of making that happen.

Soapy was first and she did the basics. She did spend a little extra time rubbing down on my shoulder and back as I had told her that I wanted to ease some tension. It was nice to see she paid attention to what I was saying. Then flipped me around and BBBJ. Have to admit, she was a trooper. I snuck a finger into her as well as shocker in the rear. She took it like a champ and kept at it whilst moaning everytime I went in deeper (probably from the pain. But she did a good job pulling it off like it was pleasuring her). Popped one there.

Into the bathtub and she gave me a relaxing rub down. Once showered off, we moved onto the bed and she provided a oily massage paying attention to all muscle areas. Then BBBJ again to get LB hard and on came the condom. Cowboy, spoon, missionary, doggy, flat doggy, and COB.

Though she wasn't exactly a wild crazy experience, #35 provided exactly what I needed and wanted. Thus a 9 for her on that.

Drinks: 250BHT (had three drinks). Don't know how that adds up

Session: 2, 500BHT.

Total Damage: 2, 750BHT.

Service Level of #35:9.

Face: 7 (cute face. Not sexy, pretty, or beautiful).

Body Type: small breasts, nice round butt, and thin body.

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1395158]The pleasure in the meeting experience was mutual. I thoroughly enjoyed our conversation comparing notes not only on the scene in Bangkok but different aspects about SE Asia in general. While you are here please feel free to pop in, in fact I will be going to Cowboy on Saturday night with a friend so if you would like to join us give me a call. The number of my business cell is on the web site. Just one question. The latest pic's you posted, are those breasts real or enhanced? As I have stated on here before my preference is for small pert breasts but those looked very alluring indeed. Harold, not including the girls face is called dignity, give it a try some time mate.

Regards,

BJ[/QUOTE]Dr. Sorry for the late response. Had to catch up on some business. I actually do have some time tonight so I'll be sure to drop by later on in the evening or give you a ring.

In regards to the latest pic, they were sadly enhanced. Though I'm not one to complain, as you already know my preference is the exact opposite to pettite. LOL!

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1395961]In some ways it is a perfect model of supply and demand and these girls get it without an MBA. If those chunky girls that I saw in RB4 are getting 2, 000 baht, the world has truly gone sex mad![/QUOTE]The "madness" created is all about artificially reducing supply. To date, Bangkok has stayed ahead of the curve but you're seeing the beginnings of western concentrated ballbusting feminist influences more and more in regard to this issue.

The feminists in the west, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton being the most powerful, are attempting to keep the worldwide (age 18 and over) WG supply down, the intention being to reduce P4P supply to such an extent that essentially only types like her and her husband's very wealthy pals can play the game, for example with mistress arrangements, which are impossible to touch under any legal restrictions.

Yes, while they will never be completely successful, the impacts are already being seen worldwide. While its being done under the ginned up hysteria (and often made up statistics) and guise of stopping alleged wide spread "[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url]", the larger purpose is to turn males into enuchs with women taking more and more control over men. Already in the Phillipines which just last month passed a new very powerful "Expanded anti trafficking" law' to placate demands by the USA, the mere presence of a "fish bowl" is now deemed proof of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url], while meanwhile the USA Dept of State has the ballbusters working full time now to make sure Rangoon never becomes another Bangkok.

[QUOTE=GooberMonger; 1395680]Been reading old post and maybe I just missed it, but I haven't seen the Thermae mentioned. Been around for over 10 years and seems to be getting some fresh blood pumped into the place.

I hear everyone talkin about going to Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza, but no one has stopped by The Thermae, which from what I've experienced the last couple days is worth a look. Tons of freelacers lined up right around the whole bar. Full of 7s and a few 8s in the bunch. All over 18 they have a cop working inside, so no worries, can't say the same for other places.

Girls are wanting 2K to 2. 5k LT, but I've been hanging out around the place for many years and after closing everyone party and eats on the street I've even got a couple no charge just need a bed for the night and had a great time. They said no sex and I said ok, well it wasn't 30 sec. Before one of them had my cock in her hand.

Anyway to get back to the place a lot of Japanese Mongers were in there; I was watching outside and they were looking at maps and GPS to find the place, but I think that's what is attracting some lookers because the girls like the Japanese guys small dicks and big wallets or so the girls have told me.

Anyway for anyone that doesn't know about the place or it has been off your radar for some time check it out; it's beside The Sofitel Hotel in the basement of the The Ruamchitt Hotel 199 Sukhumvit Soi 15. Very handy if your staying at The Ruamchitt Hotel. 1200B for an old room and 1600B for a renovated room.

Anyway the Thermae is worth a look fellow mongers, for cheap drinks and there were over 100 freelacers in there last night.

I'm going back tonight had good luck last night so why not, good GFE and I didn't have to drop over 3000B like at Cowboy or Nana, where I've spent closer to 6000B most nights for a looker with drinks etc, but poor GFE. They're cuties and they know it, a real let down.

Cheers[/QUOTE]The situation at Thermae has been discussed in detail recently by many parties. The problem pointed out is that the hotties are more and more completely ignoring Farangs, at ANY cost.

Are you saying there is now a surplus of hotties that exceeds the number of Japanese willing to overpay? Perhaps the exchange rate (yen freefall vs the baht) is finally impacting things.

[QUOTE=Lotus303; 1395639]I disagree, WH is a monger like everyone else. He has valid points, again like everyone else. This is a place to share good and bad with others. So if people don't like a particular place so be it.

Always wondered what you would put on a Work Permit for managing a BJ bar. A few other bar owners in Soi 4 have just been caught (stickmans web page). Knock knock[/QUOTE]I tried both venues and had no issue. What do you mean "been caught?" Didn't see anything on stickmans. Link?

[QUOTE=Western787; 1396057]The situation at Thermae has been discussed in detail recently by many parties. The problem pointed out is that the hotties are more and more completely ignoring Farangs, at ANY cost.

Are you saying there is now a surplus of hotties that exceeds the number of Japanese willing to overpay? Perhaps the exchange rate (yen freefall vs the baht) is finally impacting things.[/QUOTE]Yes, the girl where out numbering the guys 2:1 when I was in there, might have been an off night, but the last couple nights a lot of girls didn't have a date at the end of the evening.

As we know things can change from week to week, but I think it might be worth a stop and see if your passing by.

Sorry I was looking for posts on the Thermae, guess I just didn't look back far enough, but I got 100% two nights in a row. 2K Looks a 7 body about the same GFE could have been a little better, Thai girl seem to be losing that loving feeling. Getting like the Vietnamese in and out. Just pay me, don't know if they don't want the company or are trying to grab another customer before the suns up.

Anyway got a real cutie, little spinner out of Cowboy bar a few nights ago, but performance was about a 5 if that, would have been more enjoyable to HJ, COF and watch her do a dance for me and strike a pose. Looks were a solid 8 though, but I'd prefer a 6 with a GFE of 8.

As far as the Thermae we all don't seem to have the same luck at the same places, but somebody else have a look and see what you think. I don't know business seems to be slow everywhere I've been this week. At Soi Cowboy at 10:00pm there was still a good selection. Maybe I just got a lucky week, because a couple months ago you had to grab somethink quick if you wanted a looker.

Cheers

I am a white american. I am more to the liking of FLs than bar fine since I control the gold.

Sure there are plenty of Jappers that go there but pale face has just a good a chance of walking out of there with a nice looking lady as the Japper. I did and I do not consider myself good looking either. I look for the ones not dressed to kill. If their attire seems out of place with the so called sexy look, then I am on them.

When I was there in Late December 2012, there was at least 100 ladys inside looking to get laid and paid at the same time. This was a Tuesday night too.

I drift between there and Beer Garden. Even at Beer Garden, the quality is there although there are some who should consider retirement

[QUOTE=Jp Slicky; 1396205]I am a white american. I am more to the liking of FLs than bar fine since I control the gold.

Sure there are plenty of Jappers that go there but pale face has just a good a chance of walking out of there with a nice looking lady as the Japper. I did and I do not consider myself good looking either. I look for the ones not dressed to kill. If their attire seems out of place with the so called sexy look, then I am on them.

When I was there in Late December 2012, there was at least 100 ladys inside looking to get laid and paid at the same time. This was a Tuesday night too.

I drift between there and Beer Garden. Even at Beer Garden, the quality is there although there are some who should consider retirement[/QUOTE]JP. Thank you for the valuable insight. When one should show up, in your opinion, to witness the best selection of "lookers"?

Thanks! A

[quote=franciscass;1395504]another of my issues is that he essentially upped the price of a bj to 1000. ok ok i know i know the nurses are 700 but they are so obviously inferior in looks to the so called consultants that i would hazard a guess that most punters end up paying the 1000 when at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] or sol or lollipop the same service with similar or superior quality would be 700 or 800.[/quote]for 700 bht at sol you have the option of getting blown in a seedy bathroom or at the bar next to some fat dude (sorry nickf). although they have some real talent there.

for 800 bht at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] (imho) it with an untalented farm girl straight off the bus from isaan.

if anybody has had the pleasure of ee (reviewed recently) at dr bj's then the 300 bht extra or 9usd is well worth paying. if you're complaining about chump change after spending possibly a thousand dollars fling to los then you should review your priorities in life.

[QUOTE=Scorchin1470; 1395984]No. The world has moved on and the days of $10 working girls has passed. There is such a thing as inflation and the Thai girls don't worry about exchange rates merely that what cost them.

Baht 1, 000 fifteen years ago now costs them Baht 2, 000. Market forces, dear boy.[/QUOTE]You really don't have a clue as to what you are writing about do you? 2, 000 baht is still a very large amount of money in this country. Especially for an hours work. The minimum wage which a large pct of women are making in Thailand is 300 baht a day. That is for working 12 hours a day in a factory or at your friendly 7-11 or a fast food joint. The jump in girl prices has little to do with inflation. It is supply and demand. Supply has been diminishing and demand has been growing thus the ability for girls to raise their prices and get away with it. But even so, what makes no sense to me is a go-go in which all the girls are asking for the same amount of money because the quality differential is enormous. Are you going to pay the same amount for an older chunky girl and a beauty? Probably not. Market forces, dear boy.

[QUOTE=Aibolit; 1396226]JP. Thank you for the valuable insight. When one should show up, in your opinion, to witness the best selection of "lookers"?

Thanks! A[/QUOTE]IMHO Bangkok Beat Soi7/1 is a good hunting ground for lookers. The suds aren't the cheapest but if you stay the course I. E. Up to 3 in the morning you have a good chance of meeting some decent talent. Gulliver's is cheap and if you play pool a fun place to hang out. I have met really nice (as in not hard core) girls there who are out on that particular night because they are short of funds. They are usually better educated and it can sometimes feel more akin to being on a date than in a P4P situation. There are always the up market discos Spasso and Mixx, expensive but you find more sophisticated working ladies there who know how to charge for their time. FL'S can be found all over Bangkok in pubs, clubs, on the street, even shops and department stores. If you are courteous and not too shy about approaching somebody you fancy go for it, you will never know until you try.

[QUOTE=TConor;1395403]But wasn't she quite large compared to her photos?[/QUOTE]Oh yeah compared to the photos posted on the website. She was large. But her service made up for that.

[quote=puttex; 1395034]where do i find [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] i can't find it on golgle maps?

and whats the different from a normal bar or dr bj?[/quote]try adelphi suites bangkok on google maps its pretty near to this hotel.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1396260]You really don't have a clue as to what you are writing about do you? 2, 000 baht is still a very large amount of money in this country. Especially for an hours work. The minimum wage which a large pct of women are making in Thailand is 300 baht a day. That is for working 12 hours a day in a factory or at your friendly 7-11 or a fast food joint. The jump in girl prices has little to do with inflation. It is supply and demand. Supply has been diminishing and demand has been growing thus the ability for girls to raise their prices and get away with it. But even so, what makes no sense to me is a go-go in which all the girls are asking for the same amount of money because the quality differential is enormous. Are you going to pay the same amount for an older chunky girl and a beauty? Probably not. Market forces, dear boy.[/QUOTE]The world has changed. 2,000 baht is not a large sum to a WG whose expenses and expectations have risen markedly over the last 20 years.

You continue to perpetrate the fallacy that equating a WGs earnings to those of a factory worker is a justification for 2,000 baht being a "very large amount of money." In the UK factory girls earn £10 / hour / working girls £150. Was ever thus.

I do not know where there is the idea that supply is diminishing. Numbers and proof?

As to go-go girls charging the same price: It is called human nature. No WG is going to admit that she went for less than any other WG. What WG is going to admit she is less attractive. Fact of life.

[QUOTE=Western787; 1396057]The situation at Thermae has been discussed in detail recently by many parties. The problem pointed out is that the hotties are more and more completely ignoring Farangs, at ANY cost.

Are you saying there is now a surplus of hotties that exceeds the number of Japanese willing to overpay? Perhaps the exchange rate (yen freefall vs the baht) is finally impacting things.[/QUOTE]There are some Farangs a nice girl would not want at any cost. Some girls are picky. Not all girls are looking for Japan only. If she likes you and your money is good there is always a chance. I certainly found girls keen on me. However I am very picky too.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1396260]You really don't have a clue as to what you are writing about do you? 2, 000 baht is still a very large amount of money in this country. Especially for an hours work. The minimum wage which a large pct of women are making in Thailand is 300 baht a day. That is for working 12 hours a day in a factory or at your friendly 7-11 or a fast food joint. The jump in girl prices has little to do with inflation. It is supply and demand. Supply has been diminishing and demand has been growing thus the ability for girls to raise their prices and get away with it. But even so, what makes no sense to me is a go-go in which all the girls are asking for the same amount of money because the quality differential is enormous. Are you going to pay the same amount for an older chunky girl and a beauty? Probably not. Market forces, dear boy.[/QUOTE]Here here. 2k baht is a lot of money in Thailand for 30 min work; which seems to be the average ST for many gals these days. Considering college grads make between 12-25k a month at their first jobs. 2k for 30 min is a lot of money.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1396087]I tried both venues and had no issue. What do you mean "been caught?" Didn't see anything on stickmans. Link?[/QUOTE]In this week column. Nothing strange really, I don't know why we're talking about this.

[quote]The work permit-less Englishman who managed one of the big beer bars at the top of Soi Nana was visited by the boys in brown and told to stop working immediately. The police were relaxed about it, giving him the option to stop there and then for which that would be the end of it, with no problems. The question that is now being asked is whether the other foreign bar managers in Soi Nana will be so lucky and get the same warning.[/quote]

[quote=Scorchin1470]No. The world has moved on and the days of $10 working girls has passed. There is such a thing as inflation and the Thai girls don't worry about exchange rates merely that what cost them.

Baht 1, 000 fifteen years ago now costs them Baht 2, 000. Market forces, dear boy.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=DRRonin;1396260]You really don't have a clue as to what you are writing about do you? 2, 000 baht is still a very large amount of money in this country. Especially for an hours work. The minimum wage which a large pct of women are making in Thailand is 300 baht a day. That is for working 12 hours a day in a factory or at your friendly 7-11 or a fast food joint. The jump in girl prices has little to do with inflation. It is supply and demand. Supply has been diminishing and demand has been growing thus the ability for girls to raise their prices and get away with it. But even so, what makes no sense to me is a go-go in which all the girls are asking for the same amount of money because the quality differential is enormous. Are you going to pay the same amount for an older chunky girl and a beauty? Probably not. Market forces, dear boy.[/QUOTE]Afraid you both are missing the point. That is not if inflation has caused prices to go up (certainly true) , or if 2K is "a lot of money for 30 minutes of work" (that it is, and is not, at the same time). We can talk about this until we're blue in the face and would not make a difference. Think a Thai lady trying to understand and discuss why her sponsor has stopped sending money. That is what one of us becomes if unable to move on.

Fact: these are now the asking prices, and in most cases girls are sticking to their guns. Fair, unfair, smart of stupid doesn't change a thing, if you have a way to lessen you mongering costs, use it, otherwise bite the bullet (that does NOT include paying 15K to a Spasso lady, please don't), or stay home.

But get off the squirrel wheel because it doesn't bring you anywhere.

[QUOTE=Jp Slicky; 1396205]I am a white american. I am more to the liking of FLs than bar fine since I control the gold.

Sure there are plenty of Jappers that go there but pale face has just a good a chance of walking out of there with a nice looking lady as the Japper. I did and I do not consider myself good looking either. I look for the ones not dressed to kill. If their attire seems out of place with the so called sexy look, then I am on them.

When I was there in Late December 2012, there was at least 100 ladys inside looking to get laid and paid at the same time. This was a Tuesday night too.

I drift between there and Beer Garden. Even at Beer Garden, the quality is there although there are some who should consider retirement[/QUOTE]Same as I posted and now it's March, and still at least 100 girls in there. I got some nice looking girls out of there too and GFE not too bad.

So like I said it might be worth a look if your passing by. I paid 2K LT and if you want to do some bargaining I think you could get the price down, but I wanted them so I paid it. It was early in the evening too though. Definitely get a deal at 1 am.

Cheers

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2; 1395538]I do not think it is the time of year, since this has never been a slow period on my past visits. I believe it's a anomaly. Dr. BJ lives in BKK, so he could have some insight.

AT2[/QUOTE]There are fewer tourists in Bangkok generally compared to one year ago. Beer bar owners have told me their numbers are significantly less than they were 12 months ago.

Regards,

BJ

[quote=harold444; 1396279]you are my new god!

so you do see it makes no sense for a 3rd or 4th tier girl to ask for same amount as superstar (who ask 2500 and get it- no problem).

it really makes one wonder if the ugly girls realize this or not. , i have the solution for all girl who complain no customer-lower your freaking price. you will get more customers, maybe not many (you still unattractive) but more. lol.[/quote]so you think your so-clled 'ugly' girl is going to admit to others that she is 'ugly' and will therefore charge less. no way any girl is going to break ranks in any given environment. wgs have their pride. no way is any wg going to walk out in front of here peers and admit / let them find out that she went for less than the going rate. that is life.

maybe she will move to a less pretentious place and charge less.

to boldly go where no man has gone before.

Ok, not exactly where no farang has gone before, but at least farangs are definately a minority at Sutthisan nightlife area. Didn't matter to me I'd like to get to know to this part of Bangkok's nightlife.

So I took a taxi from Ratchadamri Road to Sutthisan Road. It took 15 minutes and 90 THB, but not only after I had been rejected by two drivers and one driver who wanted to get 200 THB flat.

It was 9:45 pm when I arrived but even there were plenty of taxis coming and going and guys getting on and off the taxis and then disappearing quickly. The roads in front of the bars were rather uncrowded especially compared to NEP or Soi Cowboy.

So I walked up and down a little bit to get to know the area and the first difference to other gog areas that came up was that noone was approaching me to get into their bar. They all looked at me but didn't say anything. Finally I came back to T-DED 99, got a big "hello my friend" from the guy at the door and I went in.

Was kinda dark inside, a huge hall with 2 stages and a lot of seats and tables in between, like at a diner's. So he guided me to table next to the stage, I sat down and ordered a beer. As written before a huge bottle with extra ice. Unfortunately then I made a mistake, when he asked if Iwanted to get a girl. I reply no, no yet. So he went away and was never seen again, as well as I wasn't approached by one of the numerous mamasans and papasans. From time to time a waitress showed up to ill up my glass. It wasn't all too bad, because I'd enjoy my time to checking to scene. On the stages there 2 girls dancing at the same time, with a change of one girl any 5 to 10 minutes. Actually I read somewhere here that at the bars at Sutthisan the girls were really dancing instead of the Bangkok shuffle, but from what I could see there was not much difference in the dancing style.

The girls themself were rather young and rather sexy, maybe not really top acts in Baccara or Rainbow 4 but really cute and sexy. Actually I ddin't see a girl that was older then late 20's or chubby. The average look of the girls at T-DED99 was much better than at NEP or Soi Cowboy. The all wore bikins and high boots, but no nudity the time I was there. I didn't count the girls but I guess at least 50 to 60 girls in the bar. The girls that didn't dance nor sit with a guest were sitting together either chatting or playing with their mobile phone.

If you want to talk to one the girls you tell the mamasan / papasan who you want to talk or let mamasan / papasan make a proposal. Then the girl comes, makes a wai, the guy can take a look and say it's ok or not. If it's ok the girl sits down, if not she walks away and mamasan / papasans gets a new girl.

It seemed, but I might be wrong about it, that first of all it was all about socializing with drinking together, chatting together and having a good time. Sanuk, sanuk. And just after that then there might be some sexual background.

Finally I realized that on that given night I wouldn't get a girl so I went off.

On the other side of the street I was already greeted by a rather young and kind of good looking mamasan from Harlem Nights who waved me in. Harlem Nights in much smaller with less girls. Maybe about 25 girls. The "quality" of the girls is a little bit worse than T-DED99, but not by too much. At Harlem nights you have big stage for dancing and a couple of tables and seats in front of it. So I got my seat, oredered a beer and when mamasan asked me if I wanted to have a girl I was smarter then the last time and said yes. Lessons learned. So she quickly came back with a tall girl, quite good looking, mid 20's. But obvioulsy mamasan didn't do her due dilligence, because the girl sat down next to me but didn't look at me, didn't say anything, just telling me her name, as I asked for it. Then she disappeared for dancing. And never came bar. In any other bar this is rather unimaginable, but here I kind of expected something like that. Nothing to let me down, just dealing with it.

Mamasan quickly came back with another girl. Not a good looking one (some might say ugly) , like the first one, but obviously eager to join farang. Greeted me with a wai, had a big smile on her face and sat next to me. She was 29 years old from Chiang Rai, rather small size and rather chubby (some might say fat) , her english was next to nothing but she was very talkative. Even my thai isn't too good, it was still good enough to have good time chatting with her. From time to time mamasan had to come to translate but we mostly got it done ourselves.

After a while mamasan approached me again and asked if I want to take out the girl, she'd love to go with me. 1.500 THB shorttime. 2.000 THB longtime. Well she wasn't really my type of girl, but I wasn't in the mood to go elsewhere to pickup someone. So I made the longtime deal, even I had in my mind that I problably would let her go early. When mamasan told her about the deal she was very happy, picked her stuff and off we went.

I will spare you what happened at the hotel, it was a complete desaster. Obviously farangs's requirements of sexual services are much different than from thai man. I sat her free after 30 minutes and a faked orgasm from me. 'Nough said.

Resume: I was ignored, I was rejected and I had bad sex with a fat and ugly girl. But still I loved the experience. The atmosphere is completey different than at the bars at NEP or Soi Cowboy. It was relaxed and hasslefree with lots of young and sexy girls. And if you can speak decent thai you can probably have a great time even if you are farang.

Will I be back? Yes, probably or maybe. I don't know yet.