Jakarta

Just as a warning to newcomers:

If you want Jakarta to stay affordable with decent quality girls abound. Don't get into the habit of giving large tips for nothing. If a girl delivers standard service, not having good chemistry: don't give her a tip, even if they ask. This is not America. Tipping culture "just because" is not a thing and not expected.

I just had whatsapp chats with some girls that I have been frequently seeing, and they are genuinely happy that some westerner (probably American) was giving out 100% bonuses after every session during a 10 days stay. Essentially for nothing. Implication: why don't I do that next time. It's getting bad already with the increasing number of big spending mainland Chinese "discovering" Jakarta. Don't add to the fire.

If you're worried about the "little pay" they are getting, you have to realize actual salaries in Indonesia. A girl working at a shop in a mall in northern Jakarta or packing parcels for some online business earns 1-1,5 million a month. For 6-7 days of work every week. Earning 300.000 off one meeting (after the cut for the mamasan) with you is not unfair pricing.

So dear newcomers: don't ruin the market. Give a tip for special service, sure. But appropriate. Some gentle kissing and touching doesn't justify a 50% tip. Unless you're a stinking unhygienic slob.

[QUOTE=JohnJohnJohn1;3044857]Hi bros,

I will be making my maiden trip to Jakarta and will visit Classic. Have read many posts about the numerous girls available.

Can anyone advise what kind of services are available? CIM, DFK. Are they available? I would love to cum on face on the girls. Are these available or forbidden / not allowed? If they are available, how much extra will it cost. Anyone can help? I don't want to go into the room with the girl only to be disappointed later..[/QUOTE]CIM maybe, DFK less likely, and COF definitely not. The girls all wear makeup and have their hair done, and don't want to have to re-make themselves even with a generous tip. In my experience at least. You can try to negotiate these things, it depends on the girl. Treat them well. Some have had really hard lives and don't want to be there.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;3044405]Doctor Tiny's advice is 100 MG Doxycycline a day, starting the day you go raw the first time. And 200 MG after your last boink. People stay on 100 MG a day of doxy for long periods of time to prevent Malaria.

You should have gotten Hepatitis A, Hepatitis B and the HPV vaccine months ago.

Warnings: My doctoral degree is in divinity. The advice provided herein is a recipe to create new strains of antibiotic resistant gonorrhea if done by the masses. Fucking without a condom can result in HPV, herpes and nasty insects that crawl around in your genital hair.

More importantly it can result in pregnancy and therefore can be extremely damaging to your financial health. You are better off using a condom. I say that from experience.

You might contemplate not doing any doxcycline, wait until after your last boink, and take 2 grams of azithromycin. Or wait it out and if you have symptoms get treated. The downside versus doxycycline as a prophylaxis is that you might give some of your dates chlamydia if one of your early conquests infects you.[/QUOTE]Great advice and perspective. While one can mitigate infection, you can't eliminate the possibility. Be prepared for the unexpected. Based on my experience.

[QUOTE=FutureGuy;3045000]Just as a warning to newcomers:

If you want Jakarta to stay affordable with decent quality girls abound. Don't get into the habit of giving large tips for nothing. If a girl delivers standard service, not having good chemistry: don't give her a tip, even if they ask. This is not America. Tipping culture "just because" is not a thing and not expected.

I just had whatsapp chats with some girls that I have been frequently seeing, and they are genuinely happy that some westerner (probably American) was giving out 100% bonuses after every session during a 10 days stay. Essentially for nothing. Implication: why don't I do that next time. It's getting bad already with the increasing number of big spending mainland Chinese "discovering" Jakarta. Don't add to the fire.

If you're worried about the "little pay" they are getting, you have to realize actual salaries in Indonesia. A girl working at a shop in a mall in northern Jakarta or packing parcels for some online business earns 1-1,5 million a month. For 6-7 days of work every week. Earning 300.000 off one meeting (after the cut for the mamasan) with you is not unfair pricing..[/QUOTE]1. I agree in maintaining the affordability of the Jakarta hobby. There is one ISG guy who keeps flaunting the $22 cost in multiple posts on this forum and also other country forums! He is new to Jakarta but not the hobby and is drawing too much attention to Jakarta.

2. Regarding monthly salaries, I asked two girls about waitressing and mall workers. They thought the salary was about US $300 a month. Take it for what it is worth.

3. I have had Tinder girls ask for US $650 overnight, 9 juta PPM and 2 juta for ST.

4. If you've been to T1 and T2 recently, you will have noticed that 95%+ are mainland Chinese. And for some reason, almost 100% are local Indonesians in T5.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3044882]As you know from my previous reports, one of my Tinder girls has been wanting to eat pussy but hasn't been able to find a girl. I am dying to help her!

Does Classic allow men to bring a female companion to T1, T2 and / or T5? And do you think there are Classic girls that may be willing to have a threesome with a man and his girl and let the girl eat her out

Has anyone done this

I think this might be a possibility at Emporium. Next time I will text David.[/QUOTE]Save mama wa number, ask them direct.

I did see once guy girl, couple, could be they want to see it or GF wants to find another girl.

Definitely you can get direct answers from mama wa.

[QUOTE=FutureGuy;3045000]Just as a warning to newcomers:

If you want Jakarta to stay affordable with decent quality girls abound. Don't get into the habit of giving large tips for nothing. If a girl delivers standard service, not having good chemistry: don't give her a tip, even if they ask. This is not America. Tipping culture "just because" is not a thing and not expected.

I just had whatsapp chats with some girls that I have been frequently seeing, and they are genuinely happy that some westerner (probably American) was giving out 100% bonuses after every session during a 10 days stay. Essentially for nothing. Implication: why don't I do that next time. It's getting bad already with the increasing number of big spending mainland Chinese "discovering" Jakarta. Don't add to the fire.

If you're worried about the "little pay" they are getting, you have to realize actual salaries in Indonesia. A girl working at a shop in a mall in northern Jakarta or packing parcels for some online business earns 1-1,5 million a month. For 6-7 days of work every week. Earning 300.000 off one meeting (after the cut for the mamasan) with you is not unfair pricing..[/QUOTE]Well said, couldn't agree more.

I would also add, don't patronize places charging almost twice the price and yet offering nothing more, like T1.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3045033]1. I agree in maintaining the affordability of the Jakarta hobby. There is one ISG guy who keeps flaunting the $22 cost in multiple posts on this forum and also other country forums! He is new to Jakarta but not the hobby and is drawing too much attention to Jakarta.

4. If you've been to T1 and T2 recently, you will have noticed that 95%+ are mainland Chinese. And for some reason, almost 100% are local Indonesians in T5.[/QUOTE]How do you know they are mainland Chinese? The few ones I talked to were from Singapore and Taiwan.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3045146]How do you know they are mainland Chinese? The few ones I talked to were from Singapore and Taiwan.[/QUOTE]Shoes, haircut, clothes, mannerisms, etc. The other 5% could be SG and / or TW.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3045146]How do you know they are mainland Chinese? The few ones I talked to were from Singapore and Taiwan.[/QUOTE]Mainly from 2 Mamas at Travel and their estimate, last October. It seems the PR Chinese are getting a lot more economically active in Indonesia in the last couple of years and when they visit, they're splurging on drinks and girls. But sure, the majority are probably still the old crowd from other places.

As for salaries: 300 USD is about the current minimum wage in Jakarta, 270 in rest of Indonesia. On paper. But only large corporations and western companies care about that. The majority of Indonesians are in informal employment. The median actual income is estimated at about 230 USD per month. So below the national minimum wage for formal contracts. I have several contacts who work in shops, food stalls and similar in northern Jakarta. They all give the same salary range of 1 to 1,5 Million Rupia. As they don't know each other, it's unlikely they are coordinating to deceive me.

[QUOTE=FutureGuy;3045000]If you're worried about the "little pay" they are getting, you have to realize actual salaries in Indonesia. A girl working at a shop in a mall in northern Jakarta or packing parcels for some online business earns 1-1,5 million a month. For 6-7 days of work every week. Earning 300.000 off one meeting (after the cut for the mamasan) with you is not unfair pricing.

So dear newcomers: don't ruin the market. Give a tip for special service, sure. But appropriate. Some gentle kissing and touching doesn't justify a 50% tip. Unless you're a stinking unhygienic slob.[/QUOTE]The girls don't even get half of 300 K for each session. Do you think the Mama cut is the only thing you are paying for? Do you think the room is free? The bribes to the police that the establishment has to manage? The sheets and towels that are changed? The room cleaners? Tip what you want but girls get about 100 K max from each session. And you can't control other peoples behaviour on tipping any more than you can control their sexual demands in the room. That's not how markets behave. Luckily there are many other ways to get laid in Jakarta at places not called Classic.

[QUOTE=JohnJohnJohn1;3044857]I will be making my maiden trip to Jakarta and will visit Classic.

Can anyone advise what kind of services are available? CIM, DFK. Are they available? I would love to cum on face on the girls. Are these available or forbidden / not allowed? If they are available, how much extra will it cost. Anyone can help? I don't want to go into the room with the girl only to be disappointed later.[/QUOTE]The only thing 100% guaranteed in Classic is that the girl will open her legs and let you fuck her with a condom. And she might not be particularly good at that, but that is why she has KY and a condom.

There are guys claiming that they get every service under the sun as a given, including BBFSCIP. It's just a matter of a tip. You just need to have the right vibe and game. But they always hedge their statements by saying it is "virtually guaranteed", "should be possible" or something like that. Right, YMMV. Nothing is guaranteed. Unlike some of the MPs in Bangkok, Classic does not list the individual services that girls will perform. And if you ask, Mamis will tell you anything you want to hear (ie lie) in order to get you to sign the ticket, so totally unreliable. The only way you can be sure of getting exotic (for Jakarta) services like CIM, COF, etc is to negotiate in advance. Even then, you will be hard pressed to find a girl that will do CIM, considering that they drench your junk in mouthwash just to give the occasional not guaranteed BBBJ. And forget getting COF. When you see how much makeup is caked on their face, you will understand how they would not want to have to redo it after getting her face covered in your spunk.

I will go out on a limb here. If you go in with those services as expectation, even with the offer of tip in the room, you will be disappointed. But you can go and shoot your shot and report back to us what happened. Enjoy Jakarta, AR.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3045129]Well said, couldn't agree more.

I would also add, don't patronize places charging almost twice the price and yet offering nothing more, like T1.[/QUOTE]This has been mentioned so many times on the forum, yet new as well as some seasoned forum members keep on splurging money unnecessarily like spending less is a remark on their status or pretending like it buys them something extravagent or here is a funny one. Helping the girl.

You may be a Avg. Joe in your country trying to act like a king in other not as economically advanced country, you are doing this only to stoke your ego / brag about it in public forums and not doing any favours for anyone else including the recipient of said money.

No good has ever came out of acting extravagent, other than you putting a target on your back for being a sucker. Pretending to have more money or making a loud noise about it is a fool's paradise. The actual rich people that I have had the (dis)pleasure of doing business or working with are the most stingiest motherfuckers of them all, they will make you sweat blood out of your ass for throwing nay make you beg for pennies.

Another analogy: Even the strongest predators in the wild primarily rely on stealth rather than overt display/ consumption of strength to take down their targets. In our case the target is our activity/mongering encounters and the strength is money (use it wisely).

At the end of the day your money your choice, but nobody becomes rich by throwing away money. If you have more money left than what you had budgeted for your trip then buy a souvenir for your family, wife, girlfriend or just colleagues / acquaintances at work at least that will buy you some goodwill.

[QUOTE=JohnJohnJohn1;3044857]Hi bros,

I will be making my maiden trip to Jakarta and will visit Classic. Have read many posts about the numerous girls available.

Can anyone advise what kind of services are available? CIM, DFK. Are they available? I would love to cum on face on the girls. Are these available or forbidden / not allowed? If they are available, how much extra will it cost. Anyone can help? I don't want to go into the room with the girl only to be disappointed later.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]About DFK: maybe around half of the girls offer it. Just ask them directly, before you close the deal. They are almost honest about it. You just have to understand that only a clear and straight "yes", accompanied by a nod and a smile should be understood as a yes. Hesitation or the slightest restriction in her answer must be considered a "no". And, please, don't invent offering tips for DFK. If she doesn't like it, she will be bad at providing it anyway. A sure way of loosing money and turning a standard practice into a payed extra.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3045033]
4. If you've been to T1 and T2 recently, you will have noticed that 95%+ are mainland Chinese. And for some reason, almost 100% are local Indonesians in T5.[/QUOTE]Are you referring to the customers or the girls? I would be going to Jakarta to session with Indonesian girls, not Chinese so this would kind of suck if it's becoming like Singapore where the scene has imported instead of local product.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3045243]Are you referring to the customers or the girls? I would be going to Jakarta to session with Indonesian girls, not Chinese so this would kind of suck if it's becoming like Singapore where the scene has imported instead of local product.[/QUOTE]Thank God I was not referring to the girls. I was referring to the customers.

Vendelo is referring to the customer's country of origin, but you would be wrong to assume that Jakarta bordellos only offer indigenes girls. Malioboro and 1001 Pool, for example, both have a large selection of foreign girls as well as Indo girls. The Indo girls tend to be younger and they are less expensive, but once in a while I will spot an attractive Viet gal that I can't resist and have to have her, or like the last time I was in Malioboro, I chose an Asiatic looking Kazakhstan girl and had a great time with her. The variety is good in Jakarta.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3045243]Are you referring to the customers or the girls? I would be going to Jakarta to session with Indonesian girls, not Chinese so this would kind of suck if it's becoming like Singapore where the scene has imported instead of local product.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;3045195]The girls don't even get half of 300 K for each session. Do you think the Mama cut is the only thing you are paying for? Do you think the room is free? The bribes to the police that the establishment has to manage? The sheets and towels that are changed? The room cleaners? Tip what you want but girls get about 100 K max from each session. And you can't control other peoples behaviour on tipping any more than you can control their sexual demands in the room. That's not how markets behave. Luckily there are many other ways to get laid in Jakarta at places not called Classic.[/QUOTE]I was thinking about the girls at Lokasari square. I'm usually paying 400-500 there (including BBFS), of which the girl receives 250-300. But they commonly have only one customer a day. The girls at Travel are receive about 130-150 of the pay last time I checked (covered service). But they have more customers.

Also I'm not "controlling" you, my gosh. But there are Newcomers who don't know the lay of the land (I. E. There is no tipping culture "just because") and it's best to clarify things before Jakarta turns into the next Angeles City. That is: the Philippines are equally poor, but excessive tipping culture and overpay made the services as expensive as Thailand or Colombia (significantly more developed countries).

[QUOTE=ArnoldNe;3045225]
No good has ever came out of acting extravagent, other than you putting a target on your back for being a sucker. Pretending to have more money or making a loud noise about it is a fool's paradise.[/QUOTE]You might want to tell that to the Chinese (mainland or otherwise) that are now the biggest competition of the Westerner in Jakarta, particularly in places like CJs and the more upper end 'hotel' places like 1001, Sun City, Malioboro etc etc. Classic, not so much. That appears to be locals and local Chinese more, though the comments below may also indicate overseas Chinese also starting to be significant in number. Note that local Chinese also tend to behave much like the foreign visitor Chinese, so may not be readily distinguishable on the surface. The other Indonesians just refer to 'Chinese' as a result, as a race / culture not distinguished by source country.

And what do the Chinese like to do? Pay the most to show off to their friends / business partners / anyone else around them: to demonstrate they are the richest and best around. Hey I paid the most out all of all you for the hottest girl. I'm the best. Hey, here's a girl for you, the most expensive one I can find, for completing the deal with me. Hey, here's a 4 juta watch for being a friend of my friend's mistress, business is good so why don't you have this. This last one is an actual recent fact in Jakarta. Please also note how many of them are fully supporting mistresses to the same financial extent as their wives.

This is what you are competing against more and more. Countered in part by Indians visiting on business who are more nickel and dime'rs in general (not always though), who make up the other numbers besides Chinese in CJs these days. Bule are a small minority there now, verses a good majority of the male patronage in years gone by.

But everyone goes to McDonalds now and again instead of upmarket restaurants, and hence why you see the above groups in Classic too.

They generally aren't hunting for a quick bang in a super cheap hotel with a street girl though, so that area of the trade may be more resistive to high level inflation. Also, many girls prefer Bule and may offer a lower price, because many of the Chinese are total dicks to them and treat them as a commodity. So there is still light at the end of a long, dark tunnel.

[QUOTE=HungMan1808;3045362]You might want to tell that to the Chinese (mainland or otherwise) that are now the biggest competition of the Westerner in Jakarta, particularly in places like CJs and the more upper end 'hotel' places like 1001, Sun City, Malioboro etc etc. Classic, not so much. That appears to be locals and local Chinese more, though the comments below may also indicate overseas Chinese also starting to be significant in number. Note that local Chinese also tend to behave much like the foreign visitor Chinese, so may not be readily distinguishable on the surface. The other Indonesians just refer to 'Chinese' as a result, as a race / culture not distinguished by source country.[/QUOTE]My comments were general and meant for everyone who reads and breeds on this forum, there are always going to be people outside our scope of influence who will do stupid things because they have overflow of money earned by means best left to the imagination, at the end we can play only our role in the grand scheme of things.

I am from India BTW, I travel solo for this hobby, but that doesn't mean I speak for all Indians. There is a garden variety of mongers / spenders in India also some who will count every penny and negotiate prices for peanuts also and others who will throw cash at a girl like raindrops in rain for just some erotic dancing (not even a strip dance at that) but these are people who are most likely politicians, have family wealth or part of a criminal enterprise for whom cash is only a means to an end. I believe this will be the case for any country / culture but one person or group doesn't represent the entire country, so I won't remark on that. Personally I study the average going rate of any service beforehand and then spend according to mkt avg. + tips for something exceptional (it could be a service, the way the girl behaved which made me vibe with her or anything that sent me on cloud 9). I was in Prague last year and spent 100-150 Euro for erotic massages without sex and gave tips over there also for worthy performers and I also gave tips to girls in Indonesia where it was worth earlier in 2025, but were both the cost of the ordeal and tips scale the same? obviously not despite both ending in a single release.

In general 2 types of people overspend regardless of origin/ethnicity/nationality - 1. Who want to show off their extravagance and 2. Who are compensating money for lack of something else (eg. Old, ugly, issues with erection etc.). No offense to anyone but I don't see any other logical reason to overspend.

[QUOTE=ArnoldNe;3045367]In general 2 types of people overspend regardless of origin/ethnicity/nationality - 1. Who want to show off their extravagance and 2. Who are compensating money for lack of something else (eg. Old, ugly, issues with erection etc.). No offense to anyone but I don't see any other logical reason to overspend.[/QUOTE]There is a third type:

3. The man whose currency is strong and does not want to take advantage of the exchange rate. A man with empathy participating in a hobby where the girls are uneducated, handed a shit sandwich in life, and are unable for whatever reason to earn a living except selling their strongest commodity: their body.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;3045195]The girls don't even get half of 300 K for each session. Do you think the Mama cut is the only thing you are paying for? Do you think the room is free? The bribes to the police that the establishment has to manage? The sheets and towels that are changed? The room cleaners? Tip what you want but girls get about 100 K max from each session. And you can't control other peoples behaviour on tipping any more than you can control their sexual demands in the room. That's not how markets behave. Luckily there are many other ways to get laid in Jakarta at places not called Classic.[/QUOTE]I can confirm these numbers based on what a Classic girl I took as a holiday GF.

If I pay 365 K for a Classic girl for one hour, she receives 100 K (US $6). Additionally, she pays US $50 / month to Classic for her apartment she shares with others. Food is provided by lady that cooks for them. She pays the lady who is provided by Classic. So those not so pretty girls you see sleeping and ignored by customers are most likely in debt, month after month.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;3045195]Luckily there are many other ways to get laid in Jakarta at places not called Classic.[/QUOTE]You wouldn't know that by reading this thread. The repetitive discussion about "$22 Classic" smothers everything else. Some guys know Jakarta has more to offer, but this least common denominator venue has become a gravitational black hole. AR.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3045387]There is a third type:

3. The man whose currency is strong and does not want to take advantage of the exchange rate. A man with empathy participating in a hobby where the girls are uneducated, handed a shit sandwich in life, and are unable for whatever reason to earn a living except selling their strongest commodity: their body.[/QUOTE]I understand your point of view, but this is the exact opposite of what me and few others have been talking about.

Enough has been discussed on this topic and you may continue doing what you like regardless of what anyone else says, but please ask yourself this.

1. Are you a social worker?

2. Were you there in Jakarta for Mongering?

3. Are you talking about uplifting economic status of p4 p girls?

Please be clear about your intentions and don't offset your primary reason to be there with some moral highground to make you feel good about yourself. We are all humans and we all share the same base urges, accept them as they are.

Economic inequity is a fact of life, and this fact gives rise to professions of need like prostitution or manual labour or any work that people do because they have to do it, not because they like to do it. And yet some are better at it and some are not. This is the same pool that you are also buying from so please don't have any split opinions in this case.

Economic inequity doesn't only affect females you know, it affects other genders too, if you want to do something for the poor and uneducated why not do it for them also.

You have shared some good experiences here and based on the responses you know that many have liked your posts including myself.
In fact I have set myself a similar deal as you did with my Classic girl from earlier experience, she has agreed to be with me for 4-5 days, she also suggested that we go to Batam for this short time together of ours, but I have other plans and don't want to travel to yet another location after already travelling for so many hours, we will spend time in Jakarta only and I am researching on some exciting opportunities for the same.

Take care and I wish you all the best.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3045243]Are you referring to the customers or the girls? I would be going to Jakarta to session with Indonesian girls, not Chinese so this would kind of suck if it's becoming like Singapore where the scene has imported instead of local product.[/QUOTE]For those of you who might venture beyond the boundaries of Jakarta, you will notice that Sulawesi is heaving with mainland Chinese courtesy of the nickel refining. They also take the time to enjoy Jakarta at the end of a three month shift in what could only be described as the apocalyptic hellholes of Morowali or Halmahera. Believe me, they need and deserve the release too.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3045387]There is a third type:

3. The man whose currency is strong and does not want to take advantage of the exchange rate. A man with empathy participating in a hobby where the girls are uneducated, handed a shit sandwich in life, and are unable for whatever reason to earn a living except selling their strongest commodity: their body.[/QUOTE]+1.

On this forum from time to time there is concerted effort to discredit / tarnish the image of Chinese / Indians / South Asians / Turks et al for various reasons. However wise members and Indos reading this can read between the lines and know these days anyone can pretend to be anything on an online forum.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3045387]There is a third type:

3. The man whose currency is strong and does not want to take advantage of the exchange rate. A man with empathy participating in a hobby where the girls are uneducated, handed a shit sandwich in life, and are unable for whatever reason to earn a living except selling their strongest commodity: their body.[/QUOTE]Well said.

If I want to give a girl I like an extra $50 or $100 so that she doesn't have to worry about the rent for that month, that shouldn't matter to anyone else.

And no, I am not a social worker but if spending a little bit of money gives me and the girl happiness for a while, who the f* are you to tell me not to do it.

[QUOTE=HungMan1808;3045362]This is what you are competing against more and more.[/QUOTE]As a monger, I consider myself as "in competition" with everyone else. I play the game with little regard to the other players on the field and get what I can. IMHO it is helpful to appreciate that others playing the game are just looking to score same as we are.

From my observation, Whitey Westerners were never more than a rounding error in the Jakarta scene. Yes, there WAS Blok M and a few 5-star hotel bars, but that was an exception to the rule. So now with even more diversity crowding into the surviving North Jakarta scene, Westerners are even more of a rounding error. There is more and more to come as I see dozens of YouTube channels from these "competitors" carnival barking about cheapo USD22 (JPY3400) fucks that can be upgraded with a tip to BBFS (or NN, Nama Nakadashi in Japanese). [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WrbbJzXO8s[/URL]. Enjoy, AR.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3045589]As a monger, I consider myself as "in competition" with everyone else. I play the game with little regard to the other players on the field and get what I can. IMHO it is helpful to appreciate that others playing the game are just looking to score same as we are.

From my observation, Whitey Westerners were never more than a rounding error in the Jakarta scene. Yes, there WAS Blok M and a few 5-star hotel bars, but that was an exception to the rule. So now with even more diversity crowding into the surviving North Jakarta scene, Westerners are even more of a rounding error. There is more and more to come as I see dozens of YouTube channels from these "competitors" carnival barking about cheapo USD22 (JPY3400) fucks that can be upgraded with a tip to BBFS (or NN, Nama Nakadashi in Japanese). [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WrbbJzXO8s[/URL]. Enjoy, AR.[/QUOTE]Time to open that Youtube vid and flag it ("Sexual content" - "Sex trafficking in Indonesia"). Censorship is our friend here!

[QUOTE=HappyFarang;3029683]She seemed uncomfortable during sex. This is not the first time, I had one girl before (one of the six I've seen so far) who refused to be on top because I was "too long". I am the kind of man who wants to see the girl enjoy herself, so this sucks. So far 4 girls seemed to be perfectly fine with my size, one refused the position, and two had this expression of pain on their faces during sex.[/QUOTE]Excellent report. Do you routinely use lube and take things super slow at first? Is there any arousing foreplay involved when you monger? Do you ever ask before taking a girl back if she is good with big size? All these have helped me out. A little bit.

I am also a monger that receives mental pleasure when the lady receives some sort of pleasure. Seeing her in constant pain is an immediate dick softener for me. I have a major size issue when I monger with Koreans / Chinese in the US. My experiences have been so poor that I no longer L3 with Koreans / Chinese. I always bring my own condoms and lube and take things super slow and sensual.

Some ladies are just not built physically to enjoy activities with girthier dudes. I actually had one super sweet Korean 20-something tell me in perfect English "Baby, I have to work 10 hours today, it will be hard to work good afterwards. Let me give you great blowjob only. Maybe you call in next time for arrangement". I have absolutely no idea what the last part meant but I get the jist.

As a side note, I have zero issues with Latinas or Thais. I have a 45-day SE Asia work / monger trip coming up. I normally spend all my time bouncing around Thailand but this entire Jakarta thread has me thinking about squeezing in a 7-day Jakarta excursion.

[QUOTE=XXL;3045596]Time to open that Youtube vid and flag it ("Sexual content" - "Sex trafficking in Indonesia"). Censorship is our friend here![/QUOTE]If only it were that easy. Those pesky Asians are too smart. Only 1 video posted in that channel, so if you stamp out one, it will pop up somewhere else. I have seen dozens of such channels in Chinese and Japanese. Once the algorithm knows your proclivities, it will serve you more. TBH, some of the Chinese channels are particularly interesting and informative to discover hidden treasures. If you can't beat 'em, might as well join 'em. Enjoy, AR.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3032967]Lots of girls on Seeking but man there is so much variance in pricing. They are all over the map.

I'm using 400 K at classic and 2 M at emporium /1001 as reference points.

Some girls are patently insane wanting 5-10 M. I had one come down to 4 M. But would not budge and I kicked her to the curb. Just seems morally wrong to pay that in Jakarta. She's a real hottie and great chat. But 4 M? Am I off base here?

I have two very hot girls signed up at 1. 5 and 2 M. That seems fair. One wouldn't budge below 3 M but I told her ok to just keep her warm. Will prob take the 1. 5 and / or 2 M girls instead. Not that I can't afford it. It just bugs me girls are getting 400 K at classic and then these girls are charging 3-4 M..[/QUOTE]To some mongers, Seeking girls have a higher value proposition. When I say value, I don't mean price. In my mind price is simple and objective while value is subjective and personal. Some mongers place a high value on connection, non-rushed experience, developing GFE somewhat organically, spending as much time on verbal / mental foreplay as the actual sexual act. Also consider a Classic girl is working 8 - 12 hours taking dick from multiple men multiple times a day. The wear and tear on her body and mind is something to consider.

I have done both (brothel type and SA type) experiences. In my experience, they are not at all comparable. I like them both for what they offer. A good to great SA experience is worth far more than a good to great brothel experience.

[QUOTE=SwashBuckler77;3045617]To some mongers, Seeking girls have a higher value proposition. When I say value, I don't mean price. In my mind price is simple and objective while value is subjective and personal. Some mongers place a high value on connection, non-rushed experience, developing GFE somewhat organically, spending as much time on verbal / mental foreplay as the actual sexual act. Also consider a Classic girl is working 8 - 12 hours taking dick from multiple men multiple times a day. The wear and tear on her body and mind is something to consider.

I have done both (brothel type and SA type) experiences. In my experience, they are not at all comparable. I like them both for what they offer. A good to great SA experience is worth far more than a good to great brothel experience.[/QUOTE]You are quite right that Seeking dates and clubs are two completely different things. I have done both a ton and enjoy both. When I travel I try to do both experiences because as you say they are so different. What I found odd in Jakarta that made things different is the discontinuity in Classic pricing. Worldwide there is a strong correlation between a one hour brothel price and a one evening Seeking girl. A Seeking date will be within 1-2 x of the local hooker price. I have found this surprisingly consistent. US, Spain, Brazil, etc.

And the rule holds in Jakarta as well for Malio, Emporium and 1001. So I would have no problem paying a Seeking girl that 1 x or 2 X price tag for a relaxed dinner with sex afterward. What hurt my head is that the discontinuous pricing at Classic means a Seeking girl is more like 5-10 X a Classic girl. And I know using the word "morally" here is ironic, but it kinda hurts my moral compass for one girl to be making 10 X what an equally lovely girl is making.

Not sure everyone would agree with me and the number of guys here who have played the Seeking game and therefore have perspective is low. But that's just the way it was for me mentally. So I did Seeking once, Malio once, 1001 once, Emporium once, and Classic many times. Just couldn't mentally justify the premium elsewhere (similar to Bangkok prices) and I actually love a loud smoky club w a live band. I know I am the exception there.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3045589]As a monger, I consider myself as "in competition" with everyone else. I play the game with little regard to the other players on the field and get what I can. IMHO it is helpful to appreciate that others playing the game are just looking to score same as we are.

From my observation, Whitey Westerners were never more than a rounding error in the Jakarta scene. Yes, there WAS Blok M and a few 5-star hotel bars, but that was an exception to the rule. So now with even more diversity crowding into the surviving North Jakarta scene, Westerners are even more of a rounding error. There is more and more to come as I see dozens of YouTube channels from these "competitors" carnival barking about cheapo USD22 (JPY3400) fucks that can be upgraded with a tip to BBFS (or NN, Nama Nakadashi in Japanese). [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WrbbJzXO8s[/URL]. Enjoy, AR.[/QUOTE]You are def right that westerners are not the problem. I was at all three Classic clubs four nights and did not see another white guy. Not one! Only saw one white guy my entire visit and that was at the Movenpick.

As far as the other discussion on tipping I generally agree it's not necessary to tip for nothing special. That said when I am considering whether that $5-10 will do more good in their pocket or mine it's an easy decision. I truly don't understand the one comment below where someone says the tip doesn't help them. It def does more for them than it does for me.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3045684]You are def right that westerners are not the problem. I was at all three Classic clubs four nights and did not see another white guy. Not one! Only saw one white guy my entire visit and that was at the Movenpick.

As far as the other discussion on tipping I generally agree it's not necessary to tip for nothing special. That said when I am considering whether that $5-10 will do more good in their pocket or mine it's an easy decision. I truly don't understand the one comment below where someone says the tip doesn't help them. It def does more for them than it does for me.[/QUOTE]I agree in a way. I'm also giving money "for free" to girls in Indonesia.

But I don't do it in the setting of a service.

When I meet a girl at my Airbnb. So a "normal" girl or Lokasari girl. She knows exactly how much she receives before she arrives, no ambiguity of money or service (generally 400-500 BBFS; or extra bonus for video together). If I feel like she is desperate or if I genuinely like her, she will receive some gift outside the setting of our play-dates, transferred by Wise. But I keep that strictly separate, so as not to create the expectation, that regular service now receives an inflated price tag.

If you truly want to help someone in need, I suggest to get their number and try to separate it as well.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3045151]Shoes, haircut, clothes, mannerisms, etc. The other 5% could be SG and / or TW.[/QUOTE]And their Xiao mi and Huawei phones and their mandarin.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3045674]You are quite right that Seeking dates and clubs are two completely different things. I have done both a ton and enjoy both. When I travel I try to do both experiences because as you say they are so different. What I found odd in Jakarta that made things different is the discontinuity in Classic pricing. Worldwide there is a strong correlation between a one hour brothel price and a one evening Seeking girl. A Seeking date will be within 1-2 x of the local hooker price. I have found this surprisingly consistent. US, Spain, Brazil, etc.

And the rule holds in Jakarta as well for Malio, Emporium and 1001. So I would have no problem paying a Seeking girl that 1 x or 2 X price tag for a relaxed dinner with sex afterward. What hurt my head is that the discontinuous pricing at Classic means a Seeking girl is more like 5-10 X a Classic girl. And I know using the word "morally" here is ironic, but it kinda hurts my moral compass for one girl to be making 10 X what an equally lovely girl is making.

Not sure everyone would agree with me and the number of guys here who have played the Seeking game and therefore have perspective is low. But that's just the way it was for me mentally. So I did Seeking once, Malio once, 1001 once, Emporium once, and Classic many times. Just couldn't mentally justify the premium elsewhere (similar to Bangkok prices) and I actually love a loud smoky club w a live band. I know I am the exception there.[/QUOTE]Maybe part of the value for a SA girl is that your load is not the 6th she has taken that day! There is a huge difference between a high volume fuck factory girl and a genuine non pro student or office worker on Seeking. If all you want is hole to release in, Classic or its many other equivalents is the best value. But if you want the pleasure of fucking a truly horny 21 year old college student that makes you feel 30 year younger then you are not going to find it in Classic. If you don't want your dick to wiped in Listerine and the girl just going through the motions one more time then maybe Seeking girls are better. As for price delta, taking a Classic girl home will cost 5 x sessions which is already $2 M. I don't pay much more than that (if at all) for all nighters with Seeking girls.

Hey fellow Classic mongers. What is the tip to stop the massam from running up every 2 minutes with her green laser pointer bringing up ladies I don't want wasting my time and the ladies time? I usually like to watch the guys come up the stairs with the ladies and see if the guy is happy then book that girl. I found last night very hit and miss. I don't mind once I've made a selection but to sort of be forced makes it feel rushed.

[QUOTE=HarryReams;3045771]Hey fellow Classic mongers. What is the tip to stop the massam from running up every 2 minutes with her green laser pointer bringing up ladies I don't want wasting my time and the ladies time? I usually like to watch the guys come up the stairs with the ladies and see if the guy is happy then book that girl. I found last night very hit and miss. I don't mind once I've made a selection but to sort of be forced makes it feel rushed.[/QUOTE]I don't think tipping would do any good. What I did was ordering a coke, telling the mamason "minum dulu" (drink first), "lihat dulu" (look around first). Sometimes I moved to another spot if a mamasan was pestering me too much, to the other side where that particular mamasan didn't have "her" girls. Note sometimes you may miss out on the mamasan showing you gems.

I was never worried about service at Classic's. I went by looks. If I could get the girl I found hot, service would take care of itself.

[QUOTE=SwashBuckler77;3045617]I have done both (brothel type and SA type) experiences. In my experience, they are not at all comparable. I like them both for what they offer. A good to great SA experience is worth far more than a good to great brothel experience.[/QUOTE]I agree. I have had numerous SB's and also ONS's I met on Seeking. Very, very different than the "brothel type" girl.

Most Seeking girls I've met were very GFE-ish. I'm not all about smash and jizz; my good friends are like that. Sometimes I don't even have sex. Sometimes I like to hang out with a beautiful, naked 20-something year old and chill. Pleasure doesn't only come from orgasm / ejaculation.

I recommend watching Rena Malik, MD (urology) youtube videos on male sexuality.

[QUOTE=HarryReams;3045771]Hey fellow Classic mongers. What is the tip to stop the massam from running up every 2 minutes with her green laser pointer bringing up ladies I don't want wasting my time and the ladies time? I usually like to watch the guys come up the stairs with the ladies and see if the guy is happy then book that girl. I found last night very hit and miss. I don't mind once I've made a selection but to sort of be forced makes it feel rushed.[/QUOTE]Learn to stay no. No need to tip for people to breathe big spender!

[QUOTE=XXL;3045776]I don't think tipping would do any good. What I did was ordering a coke, telling the mamason "minum dulu" (drink first), "lihat dulu" (look around first). Sometimes I moved to another spot if a mamasan was pestering me too much, to the other side where that particular mamasan didn't have "her" girls. Note sometimes you may miss out on the mamasan showing you gems.

I was never worried about service at Classic's. I went by looks. If I could get the girl I found hot, service would take care of itself.[/QUOTE]I think he meant tip as in advice not $$.

My advice is to first avoid getting in the door trap. And this is mostly T2. Once you pay your entry and enter the club, take an immediate left and head to the restroom. Keep a laser focus and don't look at the mamasans. Go take a pee then pick a table near the stage and in that end of the room. Just doing this fixes the problem 80%. Then if approached just tell her you don't want any girls right now. No matter who she brings just tell her no you don't want any girls. This won't take but one or two times and she gets the message. Also you can get a beer and change locations. I tend to want to survey so I stroll a lot.

I will add though that my fave girl Raisa was brought by mamasan Chaca. I don’t recall seeing Raisa anywhere and even looked for her other nights so maybe she is one of the hidden gems guys mention sometimes. Anyhow I liked her look and let her stay. And next thing u know we were fucking! Set up a time with her at T2 arranged ahead via Chaca another night. So in some cases the mamas can add value.

Red top staff is pretty hot. I know which girl you are talking about. She is in the cafe I was chatting her whole of last year. There used to be one in coffee cum bar area also.

And then there is one in the reception area, she is like manager and sits in the back office, she is super hot. I had WA nos and chatted them up but they are really busy and get no time for play. By the time they finish their duty hours they are very tired and have no energy for anything else. But try your luck you never know.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3044244]Just finished my stay in Jakarta.

[B]Prologue[/B]

As a Catholic, I enjoyed banging Muslim Tinder10 on Christmas. During playtime I had her facedown straddling the corner of the bed. With her legs pinned by mine and holding both her hands behind her back, I spanked that beautiful ass while scolding her:

"Why are you letting a Catholic fuck you on Christmas?

"You eat pork? You're a bad Muslim girl!

"Infidel!

She was smiling and laughing. Later she said she loved it. A kinky girl who is dying to eat pussy but has not been able to find a willing girl in Jakarta..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HarryReams;3045771]Hey fellow Classic mongers. What is the tip to stop the massam from running up every 2 minutes with her green laser pointer bringing up ladies I don't want wasting my time and the ladies time? I usually like to watch the guys come up the stairs with the ladies and see if the guy is happy then book that girl. I found last night very hit and miss. I don't mind once I've made a selection but to sort of be forced makes it feel rushed.[/QUOTE]

Why in the world would you think tipping her was the answer?
That would just incentivize her AND other mommas to run up to you next time.

[QUOTE=JSmithJ88;3045824]Why in the world would you think tipping her was the answer?
That would just incentivize her AND other mommas to run up to you next time.[/QUOTE]He meant tips as in advice. Not tips as in $$.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3045827]He meant tips as in advice. Not tips as in $$.[/QUOTE]LOL. Gotcha, my fault.

To properly assess local values of sex, one should compare the ratio of the cost of a half hour session to the most basic cost of living, the most reliable is cost of an average meal, leaving out the cost of housing, healthcare, transportation, discretionary spending ect for now. Local market prices for sex tend to adjust with supply / demand on basis of basic survival needs.

California apartment girls charge $200, $160 net after bookers' fees. Big Mac meal $10, ratio 16 X. Local demand for sex is high; girls book average 5-8 sessions a night, making 80 to 120 meals. These girls tend to dine in high-end places, not McDonald's.

Tijuana Hong Kong Club girls net $120, no bar cut, average meals $7, ratio 18 X. Competition is high; girls book average 1-2 sessions a night, making 18 to 36 meals.

Tijuana street girls net $25, average meals $7, ratio 4 X. Demand is steady; girls book average 5-10 sessions a night, making 20 to 40 meals.

A quick search shows food Price Range in Jakarta.

• McMeal at McDonald's (or Equivalent Combo): Rp 50,000 - Rp 70,000.

• Big Mac Meal: Around Rp 40,000 or $2.54 (USD equivalent in 2025).

• Inexpensive Meal (General Restaurant): Rp 36,000.

• AYCE BBQ meal: Rp 150 K.

Classic girls Rp 345 K Net 300 K, Basic meal Rp 40 K, ratio 7 X. Lots of girls. They book average 1-2 sessions a night, making 7 to 14 meals.

Emporium Rp 1,000 K net 800 K, basic meal Rp 40 K, ratio 20 X. Due to high price, I am guessing emporium girls book 0-1 session a night, making 0 to 20 meals.

Comparing bars to bars, Emporium girls' value is about average in the international scale, while Classic girls' value is lower by 3 to 4 folds.

[QUOTE=HarryReams;3045771]Hey fellow Classic mongers. What is the tip to stop the massam from running up every 2 minutes with her green laser pointer bringing up ladies I don't want wasting my time and the ladies time? [b]I usually like to watch the guys come up the stairs with the ladies and see if the guy is happy then book that girl.[/b][/QUOTE]No need for subterfuge. Honesty is the best policy. Just point to the stairs and tell mami that you are waiting for a girl who has just got a warm filling as you prefer sloppy seconds. Better to educate mami in your proclivities from the get go. Enjoy, AR.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;3045857]To properly assess local values of sex, one should compare the ratio of the cost of a half hour session to the most basic cost of living, the most reliable is cost of an average meal, leaving out the cost of housing, healthcare, transportation, discretionary spending ect for now. Local market prices for sex tend to adjust with supply / demand on basis of basic survival needs.

California apartment girls charge $200, $160 net after bookers' fees. Big Mac meal $10, ratio 16 X. Local demand for sex is high; girls book average 5-8 sessions a night, making 80 to 120 meals. These girls tend to dine in high-end places, not McDonald's.

Tijuana Hong Kong Club girls net $120, no bar cut, average meals $7, ratio 18 X. Competition is high; girls book average 1-2 sessions a night, making 18 to 36 meals.

Tijuana street girls net $25, average meals $7, ratio 4 X. Demand is steady; girls book average 5-10 sessions a night, making 20 to 40 meals.

A quick search shows food Price Range in Jakarta.

McMeal at McDonald's (or Equivalent Combo): Rp 50,000 - Rp 70,000.

Big Mac Meal: Around Rp 40,000 or $2.54 (USD equivalent in 2025).

Inexpensive Meal (General Restaurant): Rp 36,000.

AYCE BBQ meal: Rp 150 K.

Classic girls Rp 345 K Net 300 K, Basic meal Rp 40 K, ratio 7 X. Lots of girls. They book average 1-2 sessions a night, making 7 to 14 meals.

Emporium Rp 1,000 K net 800 K, basic meal Rp 40 K, ratio 20 X. Due to high price, I am guessing emporium girls book 0-1 session a night, making 0 to 20 meals.

Comparing bars to bars, Emporium girls' value is about average in the international scale, while Classic girls' value is lower by 3 to 4 folds.[/QUOTE]You know this approach has some merit! And does confirm the anomaly of Classic. But what I want to know where to find these $200 California apt girls!

Further to your ratio based thinking. The largest common bill in the USA is $100. The largest bill in Indonesia is worth $6 usd. Which says a lot about average cost of living there. And most ATMs won't dispense more than $60 usd. Again speaks to what kinda cash you might normally need.

You also mention a classic girl might net 1-2 sessions a night and thst is more my experience. Even that is high for most girls there imo. So those saying Classic girls are high mileage may not have spent much time there. The girls don get a huge number of sessions.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3045930]You also mention a classic girl might net 1-2 sessions a night and thst is more my experience. Even that is high for most girls there imo. So those saying Classic girls are high mileage may not have spent much time there. The girls don get a huge number of sessions.[/QUOTE]It depends on the girl as always. Some girls, you'll wait all night long and won't even be able to snatch them, unless you arrive early.

Some other girls, you'll see them sitting on the couch all night long every time you come around.

I can't say for Classic specifically, but for Travel, I discussed this with 2 girls that I would personally consider average to good looking, and they said they're being fucked 7 times per day on average. That's quite a lot.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3045674]You are quite right that Seeking dates and clubs are two completely different things. I have done both a ton and enjoy both. When I travel I try to do both experiences because as you say they are so different. What I found odd in Jakarta that made things different is the discontinuity in Classic pricing. Worldwide there is a strong correlation between a one hour brothel price and a one evening Seeking girl. A Seeking date will be within 1-2 x of the local hooker price. I have found this surprisingly consistent. US, Spain, Brazil, etc.

And the rule holds in Jakarta as well for Malio, Emporium and 1001. So I would have no problem paying a Seeking girl that 1 x or 2 X price tag for a relaxed dinner with sex afterward. What hurt my head is that the discontinuous pricing at Classic means a Seeking girl is more like 5-10 X a Classic girl. And I know using the word "morally" here is ironic, but it kinda hurts my moral compass for one girl to be making 10 X what an equally lovely girl is making.

Not sure everyone would agree with me and the number of guys here who have played the Seeking game and therefore have perspective is low. But that's just the way it was for me mentally. So I did Seeking once, Malio once, 1001 once, Emporium once, and Classic many times. Just couldn't mentally justify the premium elsewhere (similar to Bangkok prices) and I actually love a loud smoky club w a live band. I know I am the exception there.[/QUOTE]In western EU Seeking date is Not 1 x-2 x times brothel price but significantly higher than that.

Before anything there are some high quality women (in beauty & intellect) on Seeking. Yes the sex is good but that reflects in high price paid.

You missed the additional costs involved. In western EU (Ger, Aus, UK) seeking date starts from 5-700 euros at lower end of spectrum plus (dinner / drinks / hotel (sugar dates don't go to budget hotels ie Bnb, Meininger, Travelodge) The sum total comes to around Eur 7-900 at lower end. How many guys can spend that on weekly basis or even fortnightly basis (Eur-1500/2000) with the current economic situation in EU.

As such lot of women are not into PPM type of arrangements and are looking for allowances in the range of min 3-5 K Euros for 2-3 meetings. Some women have multiple sponsors supporting her so it not mutually exclusive deal with her. The numbers are from few years back I'm not sure what the figures are now. Classic pricing is as per local market conditions. I've been told there are options even lower! And higher as you are well aware of within Jakarta and elsewhere in SE Asia.

In EU any sugar dating platform is meant for guys who don't have to think about money. I'm not sure what the point is benchmarking prices against Seeking or any other sugar dating platform. They are different platforms for different clientele and ladies. And yes it is not anomaly in pricing even big Industries / Corps come to Asia for value for money. Enjoy Jakarta for all that it has to offer.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3045930]
You also mention a classic girl might net 1-2 sessions a night and thst is more my experience. Even that is high for most girls there imo. So those saying Classic girls are high mileage may not have spent much time there. The girls don get a huge number of sessions.[/QUOTE]I think I've spent a lot of time in Classic. Probably more than is healthy. I've traveled with Classic girls around Indonesia and I speak the language well. I can tell you, the good looking ones, and the friendly decent looking ones are high volume. 5 tickets per day is normal. There is a reason why you have to pay 7 tickets if you bar fine a girl early in the day.

One of my favourites was just fired, I think because she would only have 1 or 2 tickets per day. She was decent looking, and perfect GFE in the sack. But she would rarely smile at customers in the bar and would usually display expressions of boredom or sadness when sitting on her bench. This is why she had so few customers.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3045968]It depends on the girl as always. Some girls, you'll wait all night long and won't even be able to snatch them, unless you arrive early.

Some other girls, you'll see them sitting on the couch all night long every time you come around.

I can't say for Classic specifically, but for Travel, I discussed this with 2 girls that I would personally consider average to good looking, and they said they're being fucked 7 times per day on average. That's quite a lot.[/QUOTE]That is a lot.

I've been to Classic (all three floors) and Emporium. Typically, how many girls are available at Travel? If girls work 5 pm to 2 am, its hard to believe they are seeing 7 guys for 1 hour each. Did you believe them?

[QUOTE=Safado70;3046023]I think I've spent a lot of time in Classic. Probably more than is healthy. I've traveled with Classic girls around Indonesia and I speak the language well. I can tell you, the good looking ones, and the friendly decent looking ones are high volume. 5 tickets per day is normal. There is a reason why you have to pay 7 tickets if you bar fine a girl early in the day.

One of my favourites was just fired, I think because she would only have 1 or 2 tickets per day. She was decent looking, and perfect GFE in the sack. But she would rarely smile at customers in the bar and would usually display expressions of boredom or sadness when sitting on her bench. This is why she had so few customers.[/QUOTE]This is good information. Thanks for sharing. I've taken Classic and Tinder girls as holiday GF's. Regarding the girl that was fired, I see many bored girls at T1 and T2 along with heavy set and bland girls. I presume not every man seeks a 9 / 10. Some men actually like fat girls such as my own friends. Those girls that don't see a lot of customers are not making any money and in fact, may be in debt.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3045863]No need for subterfuge. Honesty is the best policy. Just point to the stairs and tell mami that you are waiting for a girl who has just got a warm filling as you prefer sloppy seconds. Better to educate mami in your proclivities from the get go. Enjoy, AR.[/QUOTE]LOL. It actually worked. I stayed with 3 nice ones last night. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to review here with photos with faces covered or not? The girls were ok but I previously read here not to post?

[QUOTE=HarryReams;3046109]LOL. It actually worked. I stayed with 3 nice ones last night. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to review here with photos with faces covered or not? The girls were ok but I previously read here not to post?[/QUOTE]Considering the problems we had recently, I would suggest the following: if the photos you are posting make it easy to recognise a girl, then your review of her should not contain any mentions of specific services. This applies not only to forbidden practices like BBFS, but also to stuff like DFK and BBBJ. Because it's almost guaranteed that there will be some idiot who will print out this review and demand the girl to give him the same treatment.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3046088]That is a lot.

I've been to Classic (all three floors) and Emporium. Typically, how many girls are available at Travel? If girls work 5 pm to 2 am, its hard to believe they are seeing 7 guys for 1 hour each. Did you believe them?[/QUOTE]Why would they lie? If anything, when talking to a man, women would usually pretend to have a fewer and not more sexual partners.

And of the 7 customers, not everyone fucks for 1 hour straight or insists on cuddling after sex till his time is over. Many customers leave happily after 30 or 40 minutes of total time in the room.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3046088]That is a lot.

I've been to Classic (all three floors) and Emporium. Typically, how many girls are available at Travel? If girls work 5 pm to 2 am, its hard to believe they are seeing 7 guys for 1 hour each. Did you believe them?[/QUOTE]Travel has less girls than T2 but more than T5.

I would think that they are on site for a minimum of twelve hours continuously given how tired some of them are (they are literally sleeping on the couch). I had no reason to not believe them, that's not something to brag about.

For example one evening I was there for quite some time, sitting on the sofa and suddenly a girl that I thought was attractive walked in front of me and went to take a sit on one of the sofas in a hidden part of the room. I didn't realize that at the moment, but I'm pretty sure she just came back from a ST because I didn't saw her at all before she appeared. Next thing I know, she was part of a lineup presented to 2 Chinese guys sitting next to me, and as none of them chose a girl, the mama asked if I would pick any of these girls. Naturally I chose her, she wasn't thrilled about that.

Turned out she was a dick scared girl, and a serious expression of pain occurred on her pretty face while I was slowly fucking her in mish. After we finished I stayed in the club to watch the other girls, not even ten minutes later I saw her walking up the stairs again with an Asian dude to perform a threesome. That's how you already cross 3ST out of the 7 in 2 or 3 hours.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3046129]Why would they lie? If anything, when talking to a man, women would usually pretend to have a fewer and not more sexual partners.

And of the 7 customers, not everyone fucks for 1 hour straight or insists on cuddling after sex till his time is over. Many customers leave happily after 30 or 40 minutes of total time in the room.[/QUOTE]Well in that case, I think I'll go to Classic when it opens so I get sloppy seconds or even sloppy sixths.

[QUOTE=HarryReams;3046109]LOL. It actually worked. I stayed with 3 nice ones last night. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to review here with photos with faces covered or not? The girls were ok but I previously read here not to post?[/QUOTE]Good to hear that the advice worked. Actually, if mami was worth anything, she would hover nearby and wait for you to point to the girl you want. In the end she gets the ticket, but you made all the effort to get your preferred selection. Win-win for everybody.

As to reporting your Classic experience, I would normally say to post a review with pics. However, considering what happened last time with the dear departed member who posted some poorly masked pics from girls at T2 and T5, I would recommend no pics. You see, there are proven members here (also known as lowlife motherfuckers), who will take any identifiable scrap of information from your pic (tattoo, smile, unique hairstyle or hair color, clothes, birthmarks, etc), make a beeline for Classic and use it to seek out the girl. If they find her, not only will they try to get the same service you might have described in your report (eg DFK, BBFS), but they will also TELL the girl that their information was posted on a sex forum for all to see. As what happened with the guy who departed the forum following just such an incident, there is a good probability that the girl may report this back to mami and management. If so, as reported it could be traced back to you and possibly involve a talking with management or security on your next visit.

I have learned if I post any pics to this forum that the girl will be absolutely unidentifiable and untraceable. By telling all that the girl is from Classic, you will immediately put a target on the girl's back for the heretofore mentioned lowlife motherfuckers. Having been severely burned in the past, my advice is to keep it to yourself unless you can guarantee anonymity. But do report your experience. Enjoy Jakarta, AR.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3046183]Travel has less girls than T2 but more than T5.

I would think that they are on site for a minimum of twelve hours continuously given how tired some of them are (they are literally sleeping on the couch). I had no reason to not believe them, that's not something to brag about.

For example one evening I was there for quite some time, sitting on the sofa and suddenly a girl that I thought was attractive walked in front of me and went to take a sit on one of the sofas in a hidden part of the room. I didn't realize that at the moment, but I'm pretty sure she just came back from a ST because I didn't saw her at all before she appeared. Next thing I know, she was part of a lineup presented to 2 Chinese guys sitting next to me, and as none of them chose a girl, the mama asked if I would pick any of these girls. Naturally I chose her, she wasn't thrilled about that.

Turned out she was a dick scared girl, and a serious expression of pain occurred on her pretty face while I was slowly fucking her in mish. After we finished I stayed in the club to watch the other girls, not even ten minutes later I saw her walking up the stairs again with an Asian dude to perform a threesome. That's how you already cross 3ST out of the 7 in 2 or 3 hours.[/QUOTE]Holy moly. Poor girl.

I can now see how the math works out to seven sessions per shift. If its Classic then seven sessions pays the girl about US $42 excluding tips. I doubt Chinese tip the girls. Next.

Time I'm at Classic I'll ask who are the best and worst tippers.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3046259]Holy moly. Poor girl.

I can now see how the math works out to seven sessions per shift. If its Classic then seven sessions pays the girl about US $42 excluding tips. I doubt Chinese tip the girls. Next.

Time I'm at Classic I'll ask who are the best and worst tippers.[/QUOTE]I would say it's about 50 $, but I agree, that's of course low compared to the US or Sweden.

But yo have to consider local salaries: 10.000's of girls in Jakarta north of National Monument earn about 80-100 $. For one month of work in an unqualified job (shops, food stalls, packaging etc.), 6 days a week, no vacation except public holidays. I'm "friends" with some of these girls and that's why they are more than happy to meet me any time, any day, for 28 $ BBFS.

Tipping in "Hotels" is warranted for added service or good performance. If you're tipping "just because" (I. E. Because of their low pay) I would ask: do you tip the street vendor in Jakarta? The shopkeeper? The night guard at your hotel? Because financially they are a lot worse off, underpaid and in need. If you want to "save" a girl in Classic, I suggest to get her number and send money afterwards. That way you can stay in touch as well, if you like to repeat.

[QUOTE=FutureGuy;3046286]I would say it's about 50 $, but I agree, that's of course low compared to the US or Sweden.

But yo have to consider local salaries: 10.000's of girls in Jakarta north of National Monument earn about 80-100 $. For one month of work in an unqualified job (shops, food stalls, packaging etc.), 6 days a week, no vacation except public holidays. I'm "friends" with some of these girls and that's why they are more than happy to meet me any time, any day, for 28 $ BBFS.

Tipping in "Hotels" is warranted for added service or good performance. If you're tipping "just because" (I. E. Because of their low pay) I would ask: do you tip the street vendor in Jakarta? The shopkeeper? The night guard at your hotel? Because financially they are a lot worse off, underpaid and in need. If you want to "save" a girl in Classic, I suggest to get her number and send money afterwards. That way you can stay in touch as well, if you like to repeat.[/QUOTE]1. "Friends" - You have succeeded in meeting civilians and bringing them to your room? How easy it that?

2. I often eat at a food stall near the Luminor Hotel. When I tip they always look confused because, from what I understand, tipping is not part of the culture.

3. I'm not interested in saving a Classic girl or bar girl. I've done that in Thailand and Cambodia and will never do it again. However, I'm open to civilians / uni students.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3045863]No need for subterfuge. Honesty is the best policy. Just point to the stairs and tell mami that you are waiting for a girl who has just got a warm filling as you prefer sloppy seconds. Better to educate mami in your proclivities from the get go. Enjoy, AR.[/QUOTE]Love it! That's funny.

[QUOTE=FutureGuy;3046286]I would say it's about 50 $, but I agree, that's of course low compared to the US or Sweden.

But yo have to consider local salaries: 10.000's of girls in Jakarta north of National Monument earn about 80-100 $. For one month of work in an unqualified job (shops, food stalls, packaging etc.), 6 days a week, no vacation except public holidays. I'm "friends" with some of these girls and that's why they are more than happy to meet me any time, any day, for 28 $ BBFS.

Tipping in "Hotels" is warranted for added service or good performance. If you're tipping "just because" (I. E. Because of their low pay) I would ask: do you tip the street vendor in Jakarta? The shopkeeper? The night guard at your hotel? Because financially they are a lot worse off, underpaid and in need. If you want to "save" a girl in Classic, I suggest to get her number and send money afterwards. That way you can stay in touch as well, if you like to repeat.[/QUOTE]Exactly well said, I used google translation with a Classic girl whom I got a great BBFS from and wanted to see her again outside Classic. She said she could so long as she had time to make a token appearance. Which goes to explain why some may be disinterested as they have their Bule lined up already. Although word of caution Jakarta traffic can be horrendous causing a simple 10 minutes trip turning into 1 HR plus); I will post a review with censored photos not to identify the lovely girl. But Classic regulars will know who she is.

Dozens web sites list Asian sex providers with pics. Search under KGIRLS, JGIRLS, CGIRLS, VGIRLS ect. Most work out of apartments, $200 for half hour sessions, $300 BBFS. Pics look fabulous but heavily shopped and many baits / switches as usual. Bookers also verify IDs, like CDLs, pay stubs ect to prevent LE stings. Humaniplex has ways to build up guys' credentials with providers.

A wingman patronized Korean massage weekly for BBFS, developed a relationship with a beautiful young Kgirl, took her to beach vacations on her off days, helped her relax and recover her humanity after weeks and months being pounded mercilessly by cold, hard, uncaring customers. Of course GFEs were abundant and free on vacation with her.

He then rented out his house and took a long tour in Asia, bagged many hot Thai girls all nights for $70-100. Eventually he fell in love with a Thai girl, married and brought her to Southern California. I was very surprised of this move as his personality was difficult to classify and he did not seem to be a soft and sweet guy to me. For example, while driving my car at high speed on freeway, he started playing games on his phone out of boredom. He was convinced he could handle both tasks safely. I could not convince him how dangerous that was and had to take over the driving. He's cold, hard, impulsive, risky, not very communicative. The Thai girls he bagged all night in BKK were young, very beautiful, some even educated. The one he married must be way more beautiful, sweeter and sexier than them. He settled down with her in SOCAL, but never told me how, where he found her and refused to show me her pics, must be very jealous over her. WTH? I hope he likes spicy Thai food every day.

Another wingman quit his job, went on a long Asia tour. He ended up staying in Pattaya for the past 2 years, bagging club girls, bar girls, Soi 6 girls. His preferred method is to hang out in bars with hot girls, negotiate all night deals at lower cost after shift end. He said GFEs were the best. Bar fines and girls' costs in Pattaya have gotten ridiculously high.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3045930]You know this approach has some merit! And does confirm the anomaly of Classic. But what I want to know where to find these $200 California apt girls!

Further to your ratio based thinking. The largest common bill in the USA is $100. The largest bill in Indonesia is worth $6 usd. Which says a lot about average cost of living there. And most ATMs won't dispense more than $60 usd. Again speaks to what kinda cash you might normally need.

You also mention a classic girl might net 1-2 sessions a night and thst is more my experience. Even that is high for most girls there imo. So those saying Classic girls are high mileage may not have spent much time there. The girls don get a huge number of sessions.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HarryReams;3046411]Exactly well said, I used google translation with a Classic girl whom I got a great BBFS from and wanted to see her again outside Classic. She said she could so long as she had time to make a token appearance. Which goes to explain why some may be disinterested as they have their Bule lined up already. Although word of caution Jakarta traffic can be horrendous causing a simple 10 minutes trip turning into 1 HR plus); I will post a review with censored photos not to identify the lovely girl. But Classic regulars will know who she is (:[/QUOTE]Just a word of caution the drinks bill can be Mahal! Its nice to loosen up your chosen ones prior to the walk down the classic love tunnel stairs into the the well worn out rooms); BTW I'm still in two minds about photos of the ladies on this location given I see it was previously an issue. All girls were happy to have taken except one, whom had an unfortunate rashes near her private regions but allowed other photos.

Jakarta is more than just Classic or Travel, although it's a good start but there is so much more to do.

I have visited both during my stay but I won't bore you with the details, ISG has multiple threads about these 2 places. Spa / Massage parlours are new favourite activity to do before night.

The only tip I want to give you for classic and travel:

1. Buy some earplugs (especially for classic) I wore 3 M airplugs it was a the best thing I did to block the loud music.

2. Use a credit card (or debit) to pay your tap and use cash for tipping the girls etc. Because walking with a stack of cash and going to the ATM every day is really annoying.

3. Before going to these places, wash and groom yourself. Put on a good parfume the girls love it. You know how many of them complain to me that some of their customers stink even some bule I hope they weren't talking about some of you LOL.

With that being said below is my little report.

I have visited some spa / massage parlours. You can find them on google maps, tiktok, telegram or Instagram. I don't know If I can share that info here.

Nort / West (Kelapa Gading).

-the'Heaven Hotel And Spa.

They have tiktok and Telegram, you can book trough their telegram or get their Whatsapp number or just walk in and see who is available. There are around 15+ ladies to choose from.

Facilities are good, SVIP, VIP and Delux rooms.

Prices start around 810 k for the delux rooms, 865 k for vip. That is massage + full service (believe the prices went a little up in 2026. If you pay by CC you pay on 2 separate terminal I think 1 is for the room (500 k) and 1 is for the girl (365 k).

One of their most popular girls is Ocha everybody is asking for her and you need to be lucky to find her available. I almost fell in love with her, massive tits, real GFE and very sweet girl would highly recommend her, writing about her makes my the hard (I know I need help LOL).

-Pablo's Cave & Resto.

Telegram, made my appointment through whatsapp.

Also around 15+ ladies to choose from.

I had 2 real good sessions there, girls where very good especially number 29 Yusi beautiful tits, sweet girl I was in heaven when she did the body massage and glided over me.

Massage + PM (Durasi 90 menit).

Room Deluxe.

Paket A:

Room + Massage + PM + FJ = 690 K.

Paket be:

Room + Massage + BM + HJ + BJ + FJ= 840 rb.

Room VIP.

Paket see:

Room + Massage + Nuru Massage (Original Japanes Nuru) + Jacuzzi + BJ + FJ = 1070 K.

Similar like Dheaven, rooms are good I got the Deluxe room with Paket be. Worth every Rupiah.

There are many more massage parlours there but haven't visit them.

Central Jakarta.

-GLOW Mangga besar.

Across hotel Travel very close by if you stay in the usual recommended hotels in Jakarta. Not many girls to choose from 6+ girls. You can use the whatsapp number you see on google maps.

The room are okey-ish but more on the rougher side.

I chose my girl and asked for the "new paket" BENGTOR (450 K) which was nice you get a dildo vibrator which you can use on the girl got her really excited, massage was so so but full service was great. At the end my total came to 600 k (which was the price for BOOMTOR), I guess when I ask they didn't really understood me, I didn't want to make a big scene out of 150 k so I paid the 600 k no big deal I had fun. So make sure to be clear what paket you want if you go there. Prices are cheap so it doesn't matter.

*GP (90 menit).

Massage+BJ+topless+MMC+MK+CIM.

360 k.

*SILVER (60 menit).

All in.

470 K.

*BOOM (90 menit).

Massage + all in.

500 K.

*BFJ (90 menit).

Massage+BM.

540 K.

*BL (60 menit).

BJ+toplles+mmc+mk+CIM.

340 k.

3 some (120 menit).

Allin 2 x.

*ALL you can eat (120 menit).

All you can eat (120 menit).

800 k.

*NORMAL (90 mnt).

Massage+HJ.

280 k.

*LC (60 menit).

Ladies temenin ngbrl dan minum santai selama waktu yang di tentukan.

150 k.

*Beng2.

Massage BJ naked 400 k.

NEW PAKET.

*BENGTOR.

Masage BJ naked+MMC+FK+MK+69+CIM+FIBATOR 450 k.

*BOOMTOR.

Masage allin+fibator 600 k.

-Lariz Klasik Massage.

Close by approx 2 min from Hotel Luminor Kota.

You can find them on Telegram and make your appointment through there or on whatsapp.

Around 10+ girls.

I took P3, would really like to pay for P4 but not all girls do CIM, so for me P3 was the best bang for my Rupiah. Chose one with the biggest titties and I got escorted to the room, what was a real shit whole. Small room with a shower and a mattress on the floor. Think the room wasn't bigger than 3 m X 2 m. I must say it was clean but a real shit whole. Plus you can hear the neighbour getting it on ofcourse they also her me and my girl when we were busy. So keep that in mind when going to this spot. If it wasn't for that I would have sessioned every day.

* P1:

Massage PM BJ Toples: 350 k (60 Menit).

(Note: Tidak Semua Ladies).

* P2 :

Express Langsung (Tanpa Massage) : 400 k (60 Menit).

HJ + BJ + MMC + FJ.

* P3 :

ALL IN Service: 450 k (90 Menit).

MSGE + PM + HJ + BJ + MMC + FJ.

* P4 :

Massage Sensual ALL IN ++ : 650 k (90 Menit).

MSGE + (BM / CK / CIM / MK) + HJ + PM + BJ + (69/ JM) + FK + MMC + FJ.

(Note: BM CK CIM MK di Pilih salah satu).

* P5 :

DOUBLE SHOOT ALL IN Service: 750 k (90 Menit).

(HJ BJ + FJ + MMC) + (MASSAGE + PM) + (HJ BJ + FJ + MMC).

* P6 :

TWIN / 3's (2× (FULL SERVICE) :

1. 300 k (100 Menit).

MSGE + BM + CK / CIM + PM + HJ + BJ + JM + MMC + FK + FJ.

* ROOM MASSIVE +30 k dari Harga Paket² di atas.

* Extend Waktu 100 k per 30 Menit.

In the south you have blok M.

-De Nattsu.

Facilities are good, rooms are clean and nice. They have maybe 15+ ladies on their roster daily, in 2 tiers Gold and Pink. The Gold ladies are the more popular ones and they say that give better service so I went a Gold lady and chose the VIP room. The Deluxe rooms seems decent also. The pink ladies look good also, haven't tried them.

The Gold tier lady I chose had huge tits, her Nuru massage skill was heaven rubbing her body all over mine. I think she was close to 30 but still looked good.

Pricelist:

Start from 750-1100 k.

Sensual massage package:

Sudah termasuk msg + All in.

- Nuru (Nuru gel).

- BM (Body massage).

- SH (Sweethoney).

- SM (Soulmasaage).

- BS (Body scrub lulur).

Package (1 treatment).

(Durasi 90 menit).

* VIP PINK: 950 K.

* DLX PINK: 850 K.

* VIP GOLD: 850 K.

* DLX GOLD: 750 K.

Mix other treatment:

(Durasi 120 menit).

(NR + SH).

* VIP PINK 1. 100.

* DLX PINK 1. 000.

* VIP GOLD 1. 000.

* DLX GOLD 900.

-Lamaroca Spa.

I've send them a message but they haven't got back to me. From google maps the facilities look good.

My final verdict the massage / spas are a great way to kill some time before going out at night. You can also only use their facilities like pool, sauna for around 100 k or so, sit at the bar or eat at the restaurant (if they have one). There are many other places like this but I haven't got the time to visit all of them, so I hope some of you guys go and explore a little. So we can see more than only the usual classic and travel reports.

Hope you guys be safe out there. Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=FutureGuy;3046286]I would say it's about 50 $, but I agree, that's of course low compared to the US or Sweden.

But yo have to consider local salaries: 10.000's of girls in Jakarta north of National Monument earn about 80-100 $. For one month of work in an unqualified job (shops, food stalls, packaging etc.), 6 days a week, no vacation except public holidays. I'm "friends" with some of these girls and that's why they are more than happy to meet me any time, any day, for 28 $ BBFS.

Tipping in "Hotels" is warranted for added service or good performance. If you're tipping "just because" (I. E. Because of their low pay) I would ask: do you tip the street vendor in Jakarta? The shopkeeper? The night guard at your hotel? Because financially they are a lot worse off, underpaid and in need. If you want to "save" a girl in Classic, I suggest to get her number and send money afterwards. That way you can stay in touch as well, if you like to repeat.[/QUOTE]According to estimates from the national labor survey:

[URL]https://eastasiaforum.org/2025/07/17/indonesias-jobs-boom-is-a-story-of-quantity-not-quality/[/URL]

80% of new jobs created from 2018 to 2024 are in the informal sector, so no formal employment contracts. The average starting wage is 1,6 million, currently about 90 USD. Traditionally women and younger people receive a bit less than that, even for the same job. Generally there is no promotion and the starting salary is permanent.

So the Classic girl talking about 300 USD typical wage is incorrect. That's the legal minimum wage. But nobody cares about that in Indonesia. You typical young girl at a food stall, shop and so on is earning 90 USD or less a month, for 6 days of overtime, no vacation.

If you have the urge to give tips "because of their low earnings" you should give that money to the street vendor and shopkeeper. The Classic girls are financially massively better off than these girls you meet on the street.

[QUOTE=FutureGuy;3046912]According to estimates from the national labor survey:

[URL]https://eastasiaforum.org/2025/07/17/indonesias-jobs-boom-is-a-story-of-quantity-not-quality/[/URL]

80% of new jobs created from 2018 to 2024 are in the informal sector, so no formal employment contracts. The average starting wage is 1,6 million, currently about 90 USD. Traditionally women and younger people receive a bit less than that, even for the same job. Generally there is no promotion and the starting salary is permanent.

So the Classic girl talking about 300 USD typical wage is incorrect. That's the legal minimum wage. But nobody cares about that in Indonesia. You typical young girl at a food stall, shop and so on is earning 90 USD or less a month, for 6 days of overtime, no vacation.

If you have the urge to give tips "because of their low earnings" you should give that money to the street vendor and shopkeeper. The Classic girls are financially massively better off than these girls you meet on the street.[/QUOTE]Damn. Next time that street vendor lets me cum inside him I'm def tipping him! 😜.

[QUOTE=MrMiyaG;3046867]Jakarta is more than just Classic or Travel, although it's a good start but there is so much more to do.

I have visited both during my stay but I won't bore you with the details, ISG has multiple threads about these 2 places. Spa / Massage parlours are new favourite activity to do before night.

-the'Heaven Hotel And Spa.[/QUOTE]Great Report MrMiyaG.

I have also joined bunch of groups on TG and these names have appeared more than once, I have joined a few spa specific groups also. Just to add couple of names to the list you shared are WhiteSand which promises Soapy experience (hope that is not just a name), I had loved it in Thailand few years back, Groovy, the El Group Club and SPAs.

Pablo and Lariz you mentioned already. Lariz seems skippable and same does Blowart (read some mixed reviews on that one incl. The poor infra), don't want to end up in a cabin type setup (don't like it).

Most of the less talked about spas seem concentrated in Kelapa Gading, it seems far from Central Jakarta, but I may visit it couple of times for exploration, hopefully with minimal road traffic.

MrMiyaG.

Thanks for your report. How did you find out that Pablos Cave and Resto offers more than food?

[QUOTE=Safado70;3046998]MrMiyaG.

Thanks for your report. How did you find out that Pablos Cave and Resto offers more than food?[/QUOTE]I have them on Telegram and I saw what services they provide before hand. Did not know / care about the food I was only interested in the massages.

Most of these places have a similar setup: bar, restaurant, massage / spa with ladies that provide extra services.

On Google Maps you could search for massage or (men) spas and from the pictures you could usually tell what kind of business it is.

In their contact info you can see their social media or WhatsApp and send them a message to be sure.

[QUOTE=ArnoldNe;3046969]Great Report MrMiyaG.

Pablo and Lariz you mentioned already. Lariz seems skippable and same does Blowart (read some mixed reviews on that one incl. The poor infra), don't want to end up in a cabin type setup (don't like it).

Most of the less talked about spas seem concentrated in Kelapa Gading, it seems far from Central Jakarta, but I may visit it couple of times for exploration, hopefully with minimal road traffic.[/QUOTE]Pablo has good facilities and is worthy, Lariz yeah not my favorite but it's close by in central and have a couple of cute girls.

Yes Kelepa Gading has a couple of parlours that are worth the visit. The only thing is the traffic to get from central to there.

Usually takes 45 min one way 70 k+ with grab!

Hello all,

I want to get this straight: for Indonesian ladies, is it a standard on that on the first or second date with a foreigner (tourist or otherwise), there is the expectation of sex?

Meaning, does the Indonesia lady expect that the foreigner will be having sex with her on the first or second date? Is that a common expectation?

It happened to me whereby on 3 dates, the following happened:

1) Date 1: Invited her in Jakarta for a decent fine dining dinner, we had a good time, then drinks and dance, but then SHE talked to me telling me that she wasn't ready for sex tonight, and that if I was planning to have sex, she apologizes. (I did not bring up the subject. She did. Out of the blue. And I wasn't planning to have sex with her).

2) Date 2: She asks me about my schedule the next day, and when I told her my schedule without mentioning any plans to meet her, she goes like "ok so where do I fit in?" . Eventually I did fit her in my schedule, and we met on the beach, but I didn't feel like having sex with her (she wasn't my type). We never talked again. But during the second date, I felt she was 'waiting for something to happen'.

3) Date 3: We watched a basketball game, then walked back to my hotel. I invited her to my hotel room to "refresh', which she gladly accepted. In the hotel room, we had a rest, refreshed, talked a bit and then left. Then after that day, she didn't talk to me again. I tried pursuing her a bit but she wasn't available. Was it because I didn't advance into sex?

I did have sex on all other dates but these 3 dates above, I just didn't feel the chemistry with the lady, so I didn't go for it. But all 3 of them seemed to be "waiting for something" from my side.

Is this a cultural standard in Indonesian dating or what?

[QUOTE=MrMiyaG;3047014]Pablo has good facilities and is worthy, Lariz yeah not my favorite but it's close by in central and have a couple of cute girls.

Yes Kelepa Gading has a couple of parlours that are worth the visit. The only thing is the traffic to get from central to there.

Usually takes 45 min one way 70 k+ with grab![/QUOTE]I figured as much, going approx. 15 kms one side is no joke in Jakarta, I prefer Gojek for local travel have found them much more reasonable in terms of pricing and services are at par with others. Bluebird cab that I took from Airport to hotel, just kept 30-40 k difference under no change pretenses, didn't face any issues like this with Gojek drivers.

Some of my contacts in Jakarta are telling me that it is raining pretty hard over there right now, I know Jan experiences some rain, but saw some news on flooding etc also, hope you didn't face any issues and there are no major issues in Jakarta.

[QUOTE=ArnoldNe;3047117]I figured as much, going approx. 15 kms one side is no joke in Jakarta, I prefer Gojek for local travel have found them much more reasonable in terms of pricing and services are at par with others. Bluebird cab that I took from Airport to hotel, just kept 30-40 k difference under no change pretenses, didn't face any issues like this with Gojek drivers.

Some of my contacts in Jakarta are telling me that it is raining pretty hard over there right now, I know Jan experiences some rain, but saw some news on flooding etc also, hope you didn't face any issues and there are no major issues in Jakarta.[/QUOTE]I don't have experience with the other taxi services I only use grab (short distance grab moto). One time I did try a bluebird taxi from Holiday Inn but he charged me 2 x the amount what I usually pay so that's why I only stick to grab so I can see beforehand how much my ride will be.

I'm not in Jakarta anymore, but I did have some rain in the first week of Jan but nothing major no flooding etc. I don't mind a little bit of rain because most of my activities are indoors.

When it rains it's a little more difficult to find a taxi / grab and the prices go up.

The traffic in Jakarta is no joke, best to plan your stay in the areas that you want to visit. Next time I will try to stay a couple of days in Kelapa Gading, couple in Blok M, couple in Central to spend less time in traffic and more time in some sweet indo pussy.

[QUOTE=MrMiyaG;3047131]The traffic in Jakarta is no joke, best to plan your stay in the areas that you want to visit. Next time I will try to stay a couple of days in Kelapa Gading, couple in Blok M, couple in Central to spend less time in traffic and more time in some sweet indo pussy.[/QUOTE]Yes, that makes perfect sense, I also choose hotel based on proximity to Classic and other places of action being in a short moto / scooter ride's distance.

I read in sevaral posts over here that Kelapa Gading is a rough / deserted / industrial neighborhood and transportation becomes scarce after dark, so I would also factor for shops, Indomarets, places of other interests nearby along with transportation availability at late hours.

[QUOTE=VonderJohn;3047087]I did have sex on all other dates but these 3 dates above, I just didn't feel the chemistry with the lady, so I didn't go for it. But all 3 of them seemed to be "waiting for something" from my side.[/QUOTE]Did you have sex on first day or second day or third day?

My experience is I feel the girls I met from Tinder just want a free meal at a luxury dining restaurant. They have excuse to go home after meeting at restaurant.

I walked my fat ass down to Classic from Movenpick after settling in after my arrival from Ho Chi Minh City. My initial impression of the building is that the place was probably the shit in the 80's. Its a little dated now. The aesthetics of the hotel are not why I am there so not an issue. I walked into T2 after my bracelet door prize was applied to my wrist. Goddamn, why don't they turn that shitty band down to a 4, they are playing at 11. Those poor unhappy girls must have hearing loss which is not the biggest job hazard for them, I suppose. I turned down mamasan's first attempt because I wanted a beer first. I went with the second attempt. A thick smiley redhead with a lot of makeup. She clearly hated being there and said she had a headache via google translate. Seriously. I did not enjoy myself. Classic is not my scene. The price is right but what a shitty, uncomfortable place to be. I would rather regret something that I have done than something that I have not done. Classic ain't my jam, now I know.

[QUOTE=VonderJohn;3047087]Hello all,

I want to get this straight: for Indonesian ladies, is it a standard on that on the first or second date with a foreigner (tourist or otherwise), there is the expectation of sex?

Meaning, does the Indonesia lady expect that the foreigner will be having sex with her on the first or second date? Is that a common expectation?

It happened to me whereby on 3 dates, the following happened:

1) Date 1: Invited her in Jakarta for a decent fine dining dinner, we had a good time, then drinks and dance, but then SHE talked to me telling me that she wasn't ready for sex tonight, and that if I was planning to have sex, she apologizes. (I did not bring up the subject. She did. Out of the blue. And I wasn't planning to have sex with her).[/QUOTE]Where / how did you meet these three girls?

If you met them on Tinder, you should expect to have paid sex on the first date.

If by chance, she sleeps over and there is no sex, she will expect to get paid for her time. This has been my experience with young 20-year olds I met on Tinder. And I've been to Jakarta numerous times and have met innumerable Tinder girls.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3047197]Where / how did you meet these three girls?

If you met them on Tinder, you should expect to have paid sex on the first date.

If by chance, she sleeps over and there is no sex, she will expect to get paid for her time. This has been my experience with young 20-year olds I met on Tinder. And I've been to Jakarta numerous times and have met innumerable Tinder girls.[/QUOTE]Hi Vendelo. At what point did these girls usually mention money? Still in the restaurant, at your place or in the morning? How much did they expect?

I had a couple of tinder dinners which led to nothing, mainly because I didn't find the girls attractive enough to make a move. But I would like to know what would have happened if I had make a move.

I actually don't mind at all having paid these dinners for the girls. I enjoyed their company and I was improving my Bahasa.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3047219]Hi Vendelo. At what point did these girls usually mention money? Still in the restaurant, at your place or in the morning? How much did they expect?

I had a couple of tinder dinners which led to nothing, mainly because I didn't find the girls attractive enough to make a move. But I would like to know what would have happened if I had make a move.

I actually don't mind at all having paid these dinners for the girls. I enjoyed their company and I was improving my Bahasa.[/QUOTE]I never bring up compensation especially on Tinder because I don't want Tinder to delete my account. I always move the conversation to WA. If the girl wants to meet, which they all do, 99% will ask me what hotel am I staying at. When they ask about my hotel, I now know it will be transactional.

Just about every girl will ask me how much I will pay. And that's when we start discussing compensation. Will she stay for ST, LT or overnight. And I never discuss what services she will provide. It is always everything. I'm old. Look 15+ years younger. But in excellent shape and handsome so I never have a problem.

So I plan on visiting classic next week and this place has been mentioned more than any other plan on this thread. It'll be my first time going and I've got this sloppy seconds fetish but I like to remain covered. How do I participate in such an activity? Preferably I'the like to have a session with a girl that's literally just been filled up. No judgement it's just what I like. What is the absolute best way to go about doing this? If I mentioned it to mama I don't know if she'the understand what the heck I was talking about LOL and of course there's no way to know if a girl has been recently creamed so any advice on how to just about guarantee I can live out my fetish?

[QUOTE=HornDog215;3047240]So I plan on visiting classic next week and this place has been mentioned more than any other plan on this thread. It'll be my first time going and I've got this sloppy seconds fetish but I like to remain covered. How do I participate in such an activity? Preferably I'the like to have a session with a girl that's literally just been filled up. No judgement it's just what I like. What is the absolute best way to go about doing this? If I mentioned it to mama I don't know if she'the understand what the heck I was talking about LOL and of course there's no way to know if a girl has been recently creamed so any advice on how to just about guarantee I can live out my fetish?[/QUOTE]LOL, I always go right after opening time so as to avoid sloppy seconds, even if it means having far fewer girls to choose from. So the first thing you can do is to go late. This still does not guarantee your fetish will be fullfilled. I fear telling mama or the girl will only elicit bafflement and rejection. This is Asia, not Brazil or Europe. Girls in Asia are not sophisticated enough to go into such minority fetishes. I have one myself which would be dead easy for a girl to put into practice but I've given up pursuing it in Asia.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3047197]Where / how did you meet these three girls?

If you met them on Tinder, you should expect to have paid sex on the first date.

If by chance, she sleeps over and there is no sex, she will expect to get paid for her time. This has been my experience with young 20-year olds I met on Tinder. And I've been to Jakarta numerous times and have met innumerable Tinder girls.[/QUOTE]My quick answers:

1) I met these girls through Bumble, not Tinder. Through Tinder, almost all girls are sex workers or dating for benefits. They quickly ask "where do you stay" and they offer their services accordingly with the price. That's Tinder in Indonesia and I'm not confused about it. The girls I met where Bumble girls (I. E more decent, better looking and less transactional than Tinder).

2) I had a good, fun time with all of these girls, but didn't find them attractive enough to make a move. Also, I found them too 'decent' to be banged on the same day of meeting them. They were the type that you'd enjoy a few dates with (because they're good to talk to and not shallow) before having sex.

My question is that: is it customary for Bumble girls in Jakarta (and similarly decent and well educated girls) to expect sex + pampering (payment, gift. Etc) on the first date with a foreigner? Or is this only the case for Tinder sex workers / escorts?

[QUOTE=HornDog215;3047240]So I plan on visiting classic next week and this place has been mentioned more than any other plan on this thread. It'll be my first time going and I've got this sloppy seconds fetish but I like to remain covered. How do I participate in such an activity? Preferably I'the like to have a session with a girl that's literally just been filled up. No judgement it's just what I like. What is the absolute best way to go about doing this? If I mentioned it to mama I don't know if she'the understand what the heck I was talking about LOL and of course there's no way to know if a girl has been recently creamed so any advice on how to just about guarantee I can live out my fetish?[/QUOTE]Easy. Lets go together. You pay for my girl. I fill her up for you and then you take her next. We arrange with the Mama to take her 2 sessions back to back.

[QUOTE=VonderJohn;3047087]Hello all,

I want to get this straight: for Indonesian ladies, is it a standard on that on the first or second date with a foreigner (tourist or otherwise), there is the expectation of sex?

Meaning, does the Indonesia lady expect that the foreigner will be having sex with her on the first or second date? Is that a common expectation?

It happened to me whereby on 3 dates, the following happened:

1) Date 1: Invited her in Jakarta for a decent fine dining dinner, we had a good time, then drinks and dance, but then SHE talked to me telling me that she wasn't ready for sex tonight, and that if I was planning to have sex, she apologizes. (I did not bring up the subject. She did. Out of the blue. And I wasn't planning to have sex with her).[/QUOTE]Indonesia is conservative Muslim country with some incredibly horny women. These women cannot express their sexuality with local men to protect their reputation. So, when a handsome foreigner comes through, treats them well and allows them to express their repressed sexuality they are truly wonderful in bed. I have had experiences with everything from married women in their 30's to 21 year old college students. The sex has been off the charts and many of these girls are kinky as shit too. This is by no means 100% of all the women out there but enough of these kinds exist.

[QUOTE=HornDog215;3047240]So I plan on visiting classic next week and this place has been mentioned more than any other plan on this thread. It'll be my first time going and I've got this sloppy seconds fetish but I like to remain covered. How do I participate in such an activity? Preferably I'the like to have a session with a girl that's literally just been filled up. No judgement it's just what I like. What is the absolute best way to go about doing this? If I mentioned it to mama I don't know if she'the understand what the heck I was talking about LOL and of course there's no way to know if a girl has been recently creamed so any advice on how to just about guarantee I can live out my fetish?[/QUOTE]Come with a group of friends or try to make friends with other clients. And ask them. Hey, if you pay for my session, I might even tip the girl so that she doesn't take a shower after our session. LOL.

[QUOTE=HornDog215;3047240]So I plan on visiting classic next week and this place has been mentioned more than any other plan on this thread. It'll be my first time going and I've got this sloppy seconds fetish but I like to remain covered. How do I participate in such an activity? Preferably I'the like to have a session with a girl that's literally just been filled up. No judgement it's just what I like. What is the absolute best way to go about doing this? If I mentioned it to mama I don't know if she'the understand what the heck I was talking about LOL and of course there's no way to know if a girl has been recently creamed so any advice on how to just about guarantee I can live out my fetish?[/QUOTE]Watch for girls that return from a session and book them ASAP.

Your fetish is absolutely disgusting but I have my own horrible fetishes.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3047270]Come with a group of friends or try to make friends with other clients. And ask them. Hey, if you pay for my session, I might even tip the girl so that she doesn't take a shower after our session. LOL.[/QUOTE]That's the thing I'm here solo if I had a group of friends I'the definitely do it LOL heck if anyone is in Jakarta and looking to help me out! Your session is on me! LOL but I read a recent post that mentioned waiting for guys to come back downstairs I guess from.

Where they go up to the rooms? And just picking that girl before she has the chance to wash up? Never been to classic so didn't know there was an upstairs from where the main floor is? But that sounds like a 50/50 shot?

[QUOTE=ArnoldNe;3047146]Yes, that makes perfect sense, I also choose hotel based on proximity to Classic and other places of action being in a short moto / scooter ride's distance.

I read in sevaral posts over here that Kelapa Gading is a rough / deserted / industrial neighborhood and transportation becomes scarce after dark, so I would also factor for shops, Indomarets, places of other interests nearby along with transportation availability at late hours.[/QUOTE]Gawd! OS loves how you lot all become instant experts on Indonesia based on what you pick up here.

Kelapa Gading is the culinary heart of Jakarta, it has three modern shopping centres open until 10 PM and is one of the more prestigious localities to live in Jakarta. It also has massage places, lots of and Sumo, Kings Cross and MTR II, then 3 km away you can slum it in the Koja bars.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3047219]Hi Vendelo. At what point did these girls usually mention money? Still in the restaurant, at your place or in the morning? How much did they expect?

I had a couple of tinder dinners which led to nothing, mainly because I didn't find the girls attractive enough to make a move. But I would like to know what would have happened if I had make a move.

I actually don't mind at all having paid these dinners for the girls. I enjoyed their company and I was improving my Bahasa.[/QUOTE]My experience is not at all like Vendelo's.

If a girl mentions money during online dating chat, I almost always next her, as I'm not using normal dating apps to meet hookers, so my experience are with girls who do not mention money beforehand.

All girls I've actually met in Jakarta via online dating have been purely non-transactional, most of them have asked what hotel I'm staying at, and most of them I've met at a coffee shop nearby, though some did come directly to the hotel (including the girl I liked the most and one of few I wanted to meet again). Most of them I fucked in my room afterwards, and no one ever asked for money, neither on first nor second date.

I suspect some guys here are turning normal, horny, "girls-just-want-to-have-fun"-girls into semi-hookers for no good reason. Few of us are so charming that we need to "pay the girl to leave", so there isn't even that silly excuse, and I've never had any problem worth mentioning in that regards (and you better believe I am one charming motherfucker ;-)).

My bet is if you had made the move, they'd joined you in your room, and depending on logistics with regards to their work next morning, either left in the night or very early in the morning without any further ado, just like any normal girl in the west. I always let them use my phone to book taxi for themselves when they leave, which they all seem to appreciate.

[QUOTE=Kctt1;3047152]Did you have sex on first day or second day or third day?

My experience is I feel the girls I met from Tinder just want a free meal at a luxury dining restaurant. They have excuse to go home after meeting at restaurant.[/QUOTE]So don't meet at fancy dining places. First date is always at some cheap place (coffee shop, swimming pool, walk in the park). This quickly filters out that type of girls.

Wining and dining is for later dates if it actually turns out we both like each others company and want to meet again.

Hey so I also had a question regarding pricing as I don't actually know the general cost can someone break it down so I'm not over paying and potentially messing up the economy.

Here for everyone else?

Some of the prices I was getting just seemed way over whack! Girls quoting me 1. 5-2 juta for the hour or two. And I'm pretty familiar with what locals earn here, and 2 million for an hour seems outrageous! I've done 99% of my mongering in Colombia and prices ranged from $6-$11 USD for absolute hotties I can't imagine in a country where the currency is weaker than the dollar the prepaid ladies market is more expensive.

For what it's worth the numbers I was quoted were from online ads from girls on massagerepublic.

I'm the type of person I don't need hour service or over night. I like quick visits, once I nut I want to get out and I want to move on to the next. 15-30 minutes absolute MAX is what I'm looking for.

Hey so I also had a question regarding pricing as I don't actually know the general cost can someone break it down so I'm not over paying and potentially messing up the economy.

Here for everyone else?

Some of the prices I was getting just seemed way over whack! Girls quoting me 1.5-2 juta for the hour or two. And I'm pretty familiar with what locals earn here, and 2 million for an hour seems outrageous! I've done 99% of my mongering in Colombia and prices ranged from $6-$11 USD for absolute hotties I can't imagine in a country where the currency is weaker than the dollar the prepaid ladies market is more expensive.

For what it's worth the numbers I was quoted were from online ads from girls on massagerepublic.

I'm the type of person I don't need hour service or over night. I like quick visits, once I nut I want to get out and I want to move on to the next. 15-30 minutes absolute MAX is what I'm looking for.

What are street girls going for?

What are parlor girls going for?

What are prepaid (online) girls going for?

[QUOTE=HornDog215;3047240]So I plan on visiting classic next week and this place has been mentioned more than any other plan on this thread. It'll be my first time going and I've got this sloppy seconds fetish but I like to remain covered. How do I participate in such an activity? Preferably I'the like to have a session with a girl that's literally just been filled up. No judgement it's just what I like. What is the absolute best way to go about doing this? If I mentioned it to mama I don't know if she'the understand what the heck I was talking about LOL and of course there's no way to know if a girl has been recently creamed so any advice on how to just about guarantee I can live out my fetish?[/QUOTE]Jizzing in the girls at classic is officially a big no no and the mama will shut you down the moment you raise the subject. Especially if you are new and trying to conduct your business by google translate. You will be better to attend a downmarket lokalisasi where the girls expect every customer to jizz in them and washing facilities are rudimentary. Then you can choose between sloppy seconds and sloppy tenths.

Should you wish to proceed at classic you could invite your friendly local bajai driver for a bit of free rumpy pumpy and get him to tip the girl well not to wash her pussy out. This will however, go against all her instincts, especially when she starts worrying about having a baby to a bajai driver.

I can recommend seeking the counsel of my esteemed colleague, Mr Asian Rain who may well have some more constructive suggestions on how to achieve your life goals.

You could also just bring a big tube of room temperature Kewpie, squirt it all around and pretend it's jizz. That will really leave the room boys guessing.

Hope that helps.

I don't know why mongers are confusing dating with fucking. IMHO Jakarta is a great place to find girls for fucking and moving on. Dating and romance is a long term arrangement and you don't look for sex on the first date itself, you need time to build chemistry and physics both, LOL. When girls message me they want to see me in a public place for drinks dinner on the first date I call them to cork and screw at plaza Indonesia mall, a great place for this purpose. After the first drink I float the idea of eating her pussy and sex. If she says yes we order more drinks and go to my hotel nearby. If the answer is negative I will ask her to leave immediately so that she sees the reality and I can move on to my next appointment. Cut your losses and move on, usually 2-3 girls are always waiting for me in the mall in case the first or second chick screws up. Always good to know what you want, if you want companionship then there are other ways for the same. This city is a Paradise, let it be.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3047309]So don't meet at fancy dining places. First date is always at some cheap place (coffee shop, swimming pool, walk in the park). This quickly filters out that type of girls.

Wining and dining is for later dates if it actually turns out we both like each others company and want to meet again.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3047303]My experience is not at all like Vendelo's.

If a girl mentions money during online dating chat, I almost always next her, as I'm not using normal dating apps to meet hookers, so my experience are with girls who do not mention money beforehand.

All girls I've actually met in Jakarta via online dating have been purely non-transactional, most of them have asked what hotel I'm staying at, and most of them I've met at a coffee shop nearby, though some did come directly to the hotel (including the girl I liked the most and one of few I wanted to meet again). Most of them I fucked in my room afterwards, and no one ever asked for money, neither on first nor second date.

I suspect some guys here are turning normal, horny, "girls-just-want-to-have-fun"-girls into semi-hookers for no good reason. Few of us are so charming that we need to "pay the girl to leave", so there isn't even that silly excuse, and I've never had any problem worth mentioning in that regards (and you better believe I am one charming motherfucker.[/QUOTE]I like your business model!

I visit Jakarta for about 2-3 weeks at a time so I don't have time to get to know a girl. But, I like your business model! I only use Tinder. Which app do you use to meet civvies?

[QUOTE=HornDog215;3047240]So I plan on visiting classic next week and this place has been mentioned more than any other plan on this thread. It'll be my first time going and I've got this sloppy seconds fetish but I like to remain covered. How do I participate in such an activity? [/QUOTE]Having checked posting history, this sicko stuff smells like a troll post to me. Still "super excited" waiting for visit reports from his [B]month-long Jakarta stay in 2022[/B]. What's next, a request for detailed breakdown on pricing? LOL. Can't believe this is being taken seriously. AR.

[QUOTE=HornDog215;2648902]Hey all! Long time lurker new time poster! I am super excited to provide my reports! I was just approved and got my visa to enter Indonesia I'm leaving from JFK in NYC (my home) on February 21st.

My question is is the Grand Mercure Harmoni still a good hotel that has spas and restaurants open with working girls? As I'll have to quarantine in the hotel for. 7 days now I don't want nor can I actually leave the hotel. I was considering this hotel or going cheaper by staying at the classic.

Any advice or recommendations for "in house" entertainment for my month long stay in Indonesia starting February 21st (2022!)?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3047341]Having checked posting history, this sicko stuff smells like a troll post to me. Still "super excited" waiting for visit reports from his [B]month-long Jakarta stay in 2022[/B]. What's next, a request for detailed breakdown on pricing? LOL. Can't believe this is being taken seriously. AR.[/QUOTE]Hahaha not the response I was expecting but hey my post count is low and I'm being judge by a post made 4 years ago LOL but I'll continue to read the thread and learn my way around wether you take me serious or not, I do appreciate the help from the other super helpful and welcoming members I don't really have much to prove just trying to gain some perspective and guidance, but happy mongering fellas! Enjoy!

[QUOTE=HornDog215;3047312]I've done 99% of my mongering in Colombia and prices ranged from $6-$11 USD for absolute hotties [/QUOTE]Come on man, 11 dollars for absolute hotties.

Nobody will take you seriously if you keep posting these kind of nonsense.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;3047298]Gawd! OS loves how you lot all become instant experts on Indonesia based on what you pick up here.

Kelapa Gading is the culinary heart of Jakarta, it has three modern shopping centres open until 10 PM and is one of the more prestigious localities to live in Jakarta. It also has massage places, lots of and Sumo, Kings Cross and MTR II, then 3 km away you can slum it in the Koja bars.[/QUOTE]Apologies if it sounded presumptious over there, I did mention based on what I read from the post but anyways. I will be visiting the place myself by late next week, so will post a more first hand viewpoint then.

Koja bars is something I am reading about for the first time, can you shed some light on this topic (is it a place of interest for mongering?)

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;3047313]I can recommend seeking the counsel of my esteemed colleague, Mr Asian Rain who may well have some more constructive suggestions on how to achieve your life goals.[/QUOTE]Thought provoking Pak OS. I have been so focused on making the freshest warm overfilled Krispy Kreampies, I have never given a thought to what happens with the drippings after I am done baking. AR.

Great post superlove, great direct line to see her interest level in you vs make him pay.

How many girls asked you for 2 mil, 1 mil after your direct idea??

Did you refuse these types as many Jakarta tinder only p4 p that ask comes right before meet to before act to after act for rent etc.

How many refused vs maybe.

Most of these are after-hours when they done with work.

Most tinder girls who meet day are no job fulltime looking for sponsors.

[QUOTE=SuperLove;3047315]I don't know why mongers are confusing dating with fucking. IMHO Jakarta is a great place to find girls for fucking and moving on. Dating and romance is a long term arrangement and you don't look for sex on the first date itself, you need time to build chemistry and physics both, LOL. When girls message me they want to see me in a public place for drinks dinner on the first date I call them to cork and screw at plaza Indonesia mall, a great place for this purpose. After the first drink I float the idea of eating her pussy and sex. If she says yes we order more drinks and go to my hotel nearby. If the answer is negative I will ask her to leave immediately so that she sees the reality and I can move on to my next appointment. Cut your losses and move on, usually 2-3 girls are always waiting for me in the mall in case the first or second chick screws up. Always good to know what you want, if you want companionship then there are other ways for the same. This city is a Paradise, let it be.[/QUOTE]

Chilli1 bro, I don't care what they think and what they do in their personal life. I usually have 2-3 girls in the mall while I am interviewing one in the resto bar. When I float the idea many girls say 'what's in it for me'n I tell them look, I'll fuck you good and you'll get gifts. Most girls are craving for quality hardcore sex and that's what I deliver. My threshold is 3 mio overnight for absolute stunners, otherwise I usually pay 1.5-2 mio. If she is good she stays long time, if she throws attitude in room I deduct some and kick her out, no arguments on that one. Some show golden pussy syndrome and walk out, its her loss as she is replaced in the next 10 minutes. Most girls start with 3-4 mio but you can easily bring them down to 1.5-2-2.5 easily. I don't do tinder, lots of scams I have built a database of 20-30 contacts from previous trips.

I banged one hot girl for 3 straight days and gave her 6 mio, no anal but everything else allowed. Banged her once in the evening, then before sleeping, 2 times in the middle of the night and then in the morning after breakfast. So it was a steady supply of good sex, her salary itself was 6 mio for the month. Needless to say she was very happy with me and the arrangement and keeps messaging me for another meet.

[QUOTE=Chilli1;3047396]Great post superlove, great direct line to see her interest level in you vs make him pay.

How many girls asked you for 2 mil, 1 mil after your direct idea??

Did you refuse these types as many Jakarta tinder only p4 p that ask comes right before meet to before act to after act for rent etc.

How many refused vs maybe.

Most of these are after-hours when they done with work.

Most tinder girls who meet day are no job fulltime looking for sponsors.[/QUOTE]

I was nodding and in my head thinking 'wow, is this really true'. Indo girls looks & body is so much different from that of a Colombian, plus their sex appetite is too much to satisfy. BTW price for LT here is 1.5-2.5 and girls with GPS (golden pussy syndrome) they would ask anywhere between 5 and 7.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3047349]Come on man, 11 dollars for absolute hotties.

Nobody will take you seriously if you keep posting these kind of nonsense.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3047349]Come on man, 11 dollars for absolute hotties.

Nobody will take you seriously if you keep posting these kind of nonsense.[/QUOTE]Hahaha no lies told man, 40,000 Pesos or $11 USD can land you in some hot Latina in Colombia it's not going to be an all out GFE for multiple hours but she'll get the job done in media hora. Why would have to lie about the prices being paid in a particular country? Whether I'm taken serious or not I appreciate the advice and help I did receive and there is a plethora of information already posted here. I'll continue to read and enjoy my experience while I'm here. I hope you enjoy yours too bud! Cheers!

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3047335]I like your business model!

I visit Jakarta for about 2-3 weeks at a time so I don't have time to get to know a girl. But, I like your business model! I only use Tinder. Which app do you use to meet civvies?[/QUOTE]I unfortunately also only visit Jakarta for a week or so at a time, so I also don't have time to get to know a girl, and barely have enough time to meet the ones I did like again (and almost never a third time, even if I wanted). Also girls are so slow to respond that most of them just fizzle out before they can build up their courage, or whatever it is, to meet me, and I have left already. A lot of them are nervous about not speaking English well too.

People here say tinder is all hookers, but I think most of the normal girls I've met were from tinder, and I just next the ones who match with me there and start asking about what I will "give them". Bumblee #2, and I guess tantan #3.

Others may disagree, but my view is that if the girl is wanting me to take her to some fancy restaurant before I've even met her, I'd rather pay the same money, or less, for a more honest hooker at Classic or similar. As far as dating goes, I only meet girls who are interested in meeting me for me, not for a free fancy meal (some of them have even insisted on paying for their own coffee at the coffee shop).

I'm sure some if not most of the chicks be muslims since this is Indonesia. Anybody tried asking them to wear a hijab while you pound them? That's the last thing on my bucket list. If I can bang me a real life muslim babe while she's wearing the hijab and nothing else, I'm all set. Mephistopheles can have my soul after that. But right now, that's my mission in life. An old man's got to have dreams.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;3047571]I'm sure some if not most of the chicks be muslims since this is Indonesia. Anybody tried asking them to wear a hijab while you pound them? That's the last thing on my bucket list. If I can bang me a real life muslim babe while she's wearing the hijab and nothing else, I'm all set. Mephistopheles can have my soul after that. But right now, that's my mission in life. An old man's got to have dreams.[/QUOTE]Actually only did it once, but absolutely no resistance whatsoever. Of course I bought the hijab so I am not sure if that had an impact or not.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;3047571]I'm sure some if not most of the chicks be muslims since this is Indonesia. Anybody tried asking them to wear a hijab while you pound them? That's the last thing on my bucket list. If I can bang me a real life muslim babe while she's wearing the hijab and nothing else, I'm all set. Mephistopheles can have my soul after that. But right now, that's my mission in life. An old man's got to have dreams.[/QUOTE]That's my only goal in life!

I met a Tinder flight attendant who offered to bring her uniform to my hotel. Like an idiot, I passed.

However, a new Tinder girl I'm meeting on an upcoming trip most certainly will wear her "jilbab" if ask her. She's already promised to shave her private parts.

[QUOTE=Transporter;3047580]Actually only did it once, but absolutely no resistance whatsoever. Of course I bought the hijab so I am not sure if that had an impact or not.[/QUOTE]Been there, done that too. From the vault, memorialized in pics and video. Screencap attached to whet the appetite of the yet-to-be-satiated. The hijab is what she was wearing when I picked her up at Atrium Mall. Once I wound her up, she was a wild one.

Getting this Mia Khalifa-type kink done in Jakarta is no big deal. Every female in Jakarta has a box of hijabs at home for every occasion, although this particular usage would be considered haram AF. This material is from many years ago, so please no "May I have her digits, sir" PM requests. Enjoy Jakarta, AR.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;3047571]I'm sure some if not most of the chicks be muslims since this is Indonesia. Anybody tried asking them to wear a hijab while you pound them? That's the last thing on my bucket list. If I can bang me a real life muslim babe while she's wearing the hijab and nothing else, I'm all set. Mephistopheles can have my soul after that. But right now, that's my mission in life. An old man's got to have dreams.[/QUOTE]

Ironically, some of the girls at these bars, massage places are hijab wearing Sundanese, Javanese in real life but leave it behind when they move to Jakara for work, which you wouldn't know from seeing them there while at work, but only notice it from their WhatsApp profile photos. You can ask them if they wear hijab, get their number, ask them to meet at your hotel with hijab. I once hooked up with a hijab wearing good looking girl that worked at the airport train station.

After the new criminal code that came into effect in Jan 2026, which criminalizes consensual sex before marriage, isn't it now significantly riskier to invite Tinder, SA, Rando hookups to our hotel rooms?

It remains to be seen how it will affect Classic, Empo etc. Probably not much.

[QUOTE=BrandNewMonge;3047808]After the new criminal code that came into effect in Jan 2026, which criminalizes consensual sex before marriage, isn't it now significantly riskier to invite Tinder, SA, Rando hookups to our hotel rooms?

It remains to be seen how it will affect Classic, Empo etc. Probably not much.[/QUOTE]If you ask yourself the question it means you don't know anything about Indonesia.

[QUOTE=BrandNewMonge;3047808]After the new criminal code that came into effect in Jan 2026, which criminalizes consensual sex before marriage, isn't it now significantly riskier to invite Tinder, SA, Rando hookups to our hotel rooms?

It remains to be seen how it will affect Classic, Empo etc. Probably not much.[/QUOTE]Read the fine print. Only if reported by close family.

[QUOTE=BrandNewMonge;3047808]After the new criminal code that came into effect in Jan 2026, which criminalizes consensual sex before marriage, isn't it now significantly riskier to invite Tinder, SA, Rando hookups to our hotel rooms?

It remains to be seen how it will affect Classic, Empo etc. Probably not much.[/QUOTE]The case can only be investigated, if a parent knows your identity (or husband, if you're dating married girls) and is reporting it to the police. And it means that their daughter will go to prison as well, if it's going to a court. Ironically, dating a girl semi-officially will put you at higher risk than casual hookups, as the parents will be more aware of you.

I will be surprised, if there is any court case anytime soon in all of Indonesia, particularly against Asian business types or westerners. The only crimes that are taken serious in Indonesia are violent crimes. The legal system just isn't equipped to enforce all the laws of a modern country. The number of judges per 100.000 people is about 15% of that in western countries. And lawyers just about 5%. The rate of prisoners per 100.000 places it at number 160 globally. The legal system just doesn't have the capacity to care about minor crimes. So unless you're semi-regularly hooking up with the daughter of a conservative member of parliament.

[QUOTE=BrandNewMonge;3047808]After the new criminal code that came into effect in Jan 2026, which criminalizes consensual sex before marriage, isn't it now significantly riskier to invite Tinder, SA, Rando hookups to our hotel rooms?

It remains to be seen how it will affect Classic, Empo etc. Probably not much.[/QUOTE]Just to illustrate. Since 2008 there is a strict ban on porn:

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography_Act_[/URL](Indonesia).

That includes importing (I. E. On your phone or laptop) and making (I. E. Nude pics of girls you meet). Punishment is minimum 6 month up to 12 years in prison with daily flogging. Alternatively minimum 250 million rp up to 5 billion rp in fines. Looking online I found exactly one case that went to court. And this one can be reported by anyone, not just the parents.

You may also be surprised, that sex work is illegal in the Philippines and banned from being openly displayed in Thailand. Given how open it is practiced. Indonesia doesn't even regulate it. It's kind of a gray zone.

[QUOTE=BrandNewMonge;3047808]After the new criminal code that came into effect in Jan 2026, which criminalizes consensual sex before marriage, isn't it now significantly riskier to invite Tinder, SA, Rando hookups to our hotel rooms?

It remains to be seen how it will affect Classic, Empo etc. Probably not much.[/QUOTE]

Unless you travel to Banda Aceh area for this, I doubt this law would have any impact on the current situation in Jakarta. First, the law was introduced to replace colonial era Dutch law and better reflect modern Indonesian society. Second, the current situation has existed for over 25+ years, and the government would be very sensitive about taking actions that negatively impact travel, tourism, economy, livelihoods of many especially when it cannot provide alternatives that depend on this. Third, this law is mainly targeted to Indonesians, and enforcement requires a compliant from either the parent of unmarried or a spouse of married. Given the number of serious problems going around the world, this would be the last issue they would focus on.

In a 45-day Thailand trip, is Jakarta worth a quick detour?

Alright mongers. I have my 45-day itinerary booked (3 Feb - 17 Mar). I am a frequent monger to Thailand but I have taken the last 30 days and read every post in the Jakarta forum from 2023. For those of you that have mongered in both Thailand (BKK / Pattaya), should I carve out 5 - 7 days to taste Indo?

I am fully satisfied with Thailand but I did check out the pictures in the pic forum and the ladies presented were similar to body type / face to the Thai ladies that I go for. Also, money is not a driver at all in my decision. I tend to be a more bougie / laid back monger meaning I like to have a drink, chat, catch a vibe before my dick says "yes, I am ready. Pick her" and I prefer more sanitary / upscale joints so no cum stained back alley mattresses or roach motels. Through my research, I have already pegged Malio, Emporium, 1001, and Tinder (casual dates to catch a vibe) is more my speed.

[QUOTE=SwashBuckler77;3047971]In a 45-day Thailand trip, is Jakarta worth a quick detour?

Alright mongers. I have my 45-day itinerary booked (3 Feb - 17 Mar). I am a frequent monger to Thailand but I have taken the last 30 days and read every post in the Jakarta forum from 2023. For those of you that have mongered in both Thailand (BKK / Pattaya), should I carve out 5 - 7 days to taste Indo?

I am fully satisfied with Thailand but I did check out the pictures in the pic forum and the ladies presented were similar to body type / face to the Thai ladies that I go for. Also, money is not a driver at all in my decision. I tend to be a more bougie / laid back monger meaning I like to have a drink, chat, catch a vibe before my dick says "yes, I am ready. Pick her" and I prefer more sanitary / upscale joints so no cum stained back alley mattresses or roach motels. Through my research, I have already pegged Malio, Emporium, 1001, and Tinder (casual dates to catch a vibe) is more my speed.[/QUOTE]You're writing that you don't care about money and consequently you're naming the more expensive placed in the city.

The problem in Thailand: your average bar in Pattaya / BKK used to have affordable stunners up until maybe about 2015. It's been a gradual decline since and accelerated by Covid. You still can get stunners in Thailand, but you're paying a lot more for those than 10 years ago. In particular if you want upscale settings. But that's not an issue for you. You're able and willing to spend that. I'm not.

Jakarta is NOT a city you will find enjoyable for it's cityscape and sights. BKK and Pattaya are A LOT better for leisure time. Or any time. Jakarta looks comparatively run-down, more highway centric than BKK. There is no Metro-System or skytrain; it's all busses. It's not a walkable city, thanks to 6 to 10 lane streets at every corner. Add to it the inordinate amount of trash and dirt. And every channel, lake and river is an open sewer and stinks as much.

Jakarta is for those, who find Thailand to be unaffordable. If BKK and Jakarta would be equally affordable for the same quality of girls, I would never travel to Jakarta.

Also, should you choose to come: please don't tip the girls "just because I have money". Give a tip for added service and good performance.

[QUOTE=SwashBuckler77;3047971]In a 45-day Thailand trip, is Jakarta worth a quick detour? should I carve out 5 - 7 days to taste Indo?[/QUOTE]Sure, why not? At least you will have a new experience with a different kind of girl. Some guys come here and fall in love with the place (but not what I would consider the bougie guys). No need to worry about cum stains at the venues you mentiond. As you have duly RTFF, you will know every action will likely be covered from start to finish. Looking forward to your detailed reports. Enjoy Jakarta, AR.

[QUOTE=FutureGuy;3048015]Jakarta is for those, who find Thailand to be unaffordable. If BKK and Jakarta would be equally affordable for the same quality of girls, I would never travel to Jakarta. [/QUOTE]Pricing has zero influence on my visiting Jakarta. I like to travel to Indonesia because 1) I like Indo girls (looks, attitude, & performance. They shine) and Jakarta has a lot of them and 2) I always enjoy spending time in Jakarta's world class Bordellos and pickup nightclubs. I prefer to stay in the south. I hear you on the large city boulevards. Walking around midafternoon sucks! But relaxing by the Hyatt swimming pool in the afternoon and mongering every night with sexy Indo girls is great! That's why I like Jakarta!

[QUOTE=SwashBuckler77;3047971]In a 45-day Thailand trip, is Jakarta worth a quick detour?

Alright mongers. I have my 45-day itinerary booked (3 Feb - 17 Mar). I am a frequent monger to Thailand but I have taken the last 30 days and read every post in the Jakarta forum from 2023. For those of you that have mongered in both Thailand (BKK / Pattaya), should I carve out 5 - 7 days to taste Indo?

I am fully satisfied with Thailand but I did check out the pictures in the pic forum and the ladies presented were similar to body type / face to the Thai ladies that I go for. Also, money is not a driver at all in my decision. I tend to be a more bougie / laid back monger meaning I like to have a drink, chat, catch a vibe before my dick says "yes, I am ready. Pick her" and I prefer more sanitary / upscale joints so no cum stained back alley mattresses or roach motels. Through my research, I have already pegged Malio, Emporium, 1001, and Tinder (casual dates to catch a vibe) is more my speed.[/QUOTE]

Most guys come to Jakarta for one and only reason and it delivers. For everything else, most people head to Bali and the other islands of Indonesia. Indonesian girls are quite different and diverse, Javanese, Sundanese, Balinese, and Chinese offering a broader range compared to Thai girls. In general, Indonesian girls tend to be soft spoken, shy, reserved in public since it's a Muslim country, but once they feel comfortable, they are genuinely sweet, affectionate, even get really wild in private.

The nightlife is also not bad in Jakarta, though you need to know where to go bars / clubs in areas like Blok M, Kemang, SCBD since it's not as openly promoted as in more touristy destinations. Most of the time, I can only get away for a week, so I usually spend the entire trip in Jakarta. You wouldn't be disappointed setting aside a week out of a 45-day trip to spend in Jakarta.

[QUOTE=FutureGuy;3048015]You're writing that you don't care about money and consequently you're naming the more expensive placed in the city.[/QUOTE]Thanks for you input. My apologies that I was not clear. I did not mean "I don't care about money", I meant "Money is not a primary driver whether or not I make a detour to Jakarta". Hope that clears it up. I travel to monger for value not price. This is a strategic 7-day detour from Thailand to Indo just to monger. I could really do a 7-day detour to any direct flight from BKK. Out of all the other direct flights from BKK with good / great mongering, Jakarta seems like the primo choice.

Fully understand the affordability and telling people what and when to tip is a powder keg topic so I will just say. Thank you for your feedback!

Hello.

I LOVE to go to Bangkok, Pattaya & Jakarta, but reason is different.

Jakarta is not beautiful, difficult to walk, crazy hot always. Little nice place to see (like China Town) and crazy hot too. Also the old square is ugly, and the sea terrible.

Jakarta is for cheap prostitution, with beautiful young girl (19-24).

Aside this, you can have good time in an amazing place call Mulia, for the night. Entrance is a drink (12 euro).

Yeah, Jakarta cheaper live disappear when you buy alcool.

So what I suggested?

If you have a lot of money, you can stay in a crazy good hotel and visit Emporium and Mulia in the night. And enjoy your hotel.

I also suggest a quick walk in China town.

If you go to Classic, please tip 100 k (6 euro) like everyone else when is happy. Do not destroy the economy of the town.

So it depends of you.

I will go in July because I can found amazing girl cheaper, and I pay a good hotel 22 euros for night (bi goog breakfast included, and with swimming pool).

Then Singapore, Malesia, for see first time, and Thailand. Good but expensive, and less genuine than Indonesia.

[QUOTE=SwashBuckler77;3047971]In a 45-day Thailand trip, is Jakarta worth a quick detour?

Alright mongers. I have my 45-day itinerary booked (3 Feb - 17 Mar). I am a frequent monger to Thailand but I have taken the last 30 days and read every post in the Jakarta forum from 2023. For those of you that have mongered in both Thailand (BKK / Pattaya), should I carve out 5 - 7 days to taste Indo?

I am fully satisfied with Thailand but I did check out the pictures in the pic forum and the ladies presented were similar to body type / face to the Thai ladies that I go for. Also, money is not a driver at all in my decision. I tend to be a more bougie / laid back monger meaning I like to have a drink, chat, catch a vibe before my dick says "yes, I am ready. Pick her" and I prefer more sanitary / upscale joints so no cum stained back alley mattresses or roach motels. Through my research, I have already pegged Malio, Emporium, 1001, and Tinder (casual dates to catch a vibe) is more my speed.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SwashBuckler77;3047971]In a 45-day Thailand trip, is Jakarta worth a quick detour?

Alright mongers. I have my 45-day itinerary booked (3 Feb - 17 Mar). I am a frequent monger to Thailand but I have taken the last 30 days and read every post in the Jakarta forum from 2023. For those of you that have mongered in both Thailand (BKK / Pattaya), should I carve out 5 - 7 days to taste Indo?.[/QUOTE]Is this your first time to Thailand? If so, I would suggest staying only in Thailand for the first 30 days. Experience two weeks in Bangkok and two weeks in Pattaya. The bus between the two is 110 THB. Don't shortchange your trip by trying to travel around too much. There is so much to do in both cities. Absorb so much of what Thailand has to offer; other locales can wait. If you have been to Thailand before, then travel around and explore!

45 days all in Thailand would get boring.

You definitely should sample the different ways of life, food, party, girls and sex in Jakarta. I really feel for the people's poverty, oppression and hopelessness. I found many Classic girls nice, sweet, fresh, charming, not mercenary, speaking adequate English. For the price of a regular drink they will sit with you up to half hour, all the time acting like proper, classy companies in dark corners. Tip them in their boobs and crotches; they will express their sweet sexiness. Don't buy any shot, tea faking whiskey, for Travel girls. You will get ripped off.

Between Bangkok and Jakarta, Singapore is a nice convenient stop to check out hot girls with all different nationalities in Geylang brothels. I found Chinese, Viet, Malays, Phil, Thai. A couple Thai girls were actress caliber, hotter than any girls I found in Thailand. I don't of new partying places after Orchard Tower closed down. Take the ferry to Batam or Bintam islands for partying all night.

[QUOTE=SwashBuckler77;3047971]In a 45-day Thailand trip, is Jakarta worth a quick detour?

Alright mongers. I have my 45-day itinerary booked (3 Feb - 17 Mar). I am a frequent monger to Thailand but I have taken the last 30 days and read every post in the Jakarta forum from 2023. For those of you that have mongered in both Thailand (BKK / Pattaya), should I carve out 5 - 7 days to taste Indo?

I am fully satisfied with Thailand but I did check out the pictures in the pic forum and the ladies presented were similar to body type / face to the Thai ladies that I go for. Also, money is not a driver at all in my decision. I tend to be a more bougie / laid back monger meaning I like to have a drink, chat, catch a vibe before my dick says "yes, I am ready. Pick her" and I prefer more sanitary / upscale joints so no cum stained back alley mattresses or roach motels. Through my research, I have already pegged Malio, Emporium, 1001, and Tinder (casual dates to catch a vibe) is more my speed.[/QUOTE]

Hello SwashBuckler77,

If you read all the forum including my tiny contributions. May I suggest this for you. Since you want a classy clean girlfriend aura.

Stay at a 5* Hotel in South Jakarta that is attached to a major mall.

This way all of your Tinder and TanTan and Indo Cupid, etc. Dates will easily be able to go to the mall. Eat at that awesome Remboelan Indo Soul Food Restaurant and than conveniently "go back to your hotel to relax. ".

If you have a few $$ for a 5 Star Hotel. You might not need to leave much.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;3047571]I'm sure some if not most of the chicks be muslims since this is Indonesia. Anybody tried asking them to wear a hijab while you pound them? That's the last thing on my bucket list. If I can bang me a real life muslim babe while she's wearing the hijab and nothing else, I'm all set. Mephistopheles can have my soul after that. But right now, that's my mission in life. An old man's got to have dreams.[/QUOTE]Sure been there done that. Once I had this girl from SA who was horny as fuck. No money involved. She stayed overnight, got up at 5 am to do morning prayers in my room with full prayer outfit and then immediately after jumped into bed and fucked my brains out. I had to ask, how does she reconcile the two? The answer "I did a little good and now I do a little bad. All together its ok". Now who am I to argue with that math? Also with several other girls they arrived in hijab and I asked them to blow me first before taking it off. None ever said no.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;3048287]Sure been there done that. Once I had this girl from SA who was horny as fuck. No money involved. She stayed overnight, got up at 5 am to do morning prayers in my room with full prayer outfit and then immediately after jumped into bed and fucked my brains out. I had to ask, how does she reconcile the two? The answer "I did a little good and now I do a little bad. All together its ok". Now who am I to argue with that math? Also with several other girls they arrived in hijab and I asked them to blow me first before taking it off. None ever said no.[/QUOTE]For those that like to play dress up, remember that Indonesian girls can still be "in school" well into their 20's. It's not hard at all to have her arrive in uniform and still be very much legal.

There was a time when it wasn't at all uncommon for that night's score to wake in the morning, pull on a school uniform and be gone. Just be wary of the colour. From memory, grey as ok, blue was borderline and red was a felony. 😁.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3039940]Although days and times varied a little it seemed like def a lot more girls at 1001. Here is what I recall and my notes confirm:

Emporium. Saturday 6 pm. About ten girls.

Malio. Monday 3:30 PM. About ten girls.

1001. Around 7 ish? About 30 girls (Indonesian) and unknown quantity of foreign.

Rooms and general fit and finish at 1001 is best of all. But known for CBJ and indeed my girl would not budge. So big black mark there. I enjoyed the pool lead up time at Emporium more than the choose and fuck at Malio. Beautiful girls at all three.

And of course classic T2 remains my first love. 😜.[/QUOTE]With Emporium, Malio and 1001 being more than double the prices, why would we even bother going anywhere else besides Classic and Travel?

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3048434]With Emporium, Malio and 1001 being more than double the prices, why would we even bother going anywhere else besides Classic and Travel?[/QUOTE]There seemed to be various opinions. So I had to sample. I came to th conclusion you wrote. I am now a Classic T2 fanboi.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3048434]With Emporium, Malio and 1001 being more than double the prices, why would we even bother going anywhere else besides Classic and Travel?[/QUOTE]In every product there are different market segments. McDonalds and Steak houses both sell beef and you leave full. Why would anyone ever go to a steak house? The front and back of a plane arrive at the same time. Why would anyone every fly business class? Motel 6 and Four Seasons both offer a room, bathroom and a bed. Why does anyone ever stay at a luxury hotel? Timex and Rolex both tell the same time. Do you see the point?

I don't go for the extremely stunning / hooker looking ones. Just the ones that look like your next door neighbor indo aunty lmao.

She ain't no seeking pro. I go for 6-7/10 with big tits. That's my type. Apologies for talking like a retard haha.

They only ask about cab money to begin with but what's their unsaid "fees" for ST / LT Classic 400 k ok you think?

Please note. First hand experiences welcome (rather than the jaded monger philosopher saying just ask her or pay what you want, how difficult is it etc. Yes very difficult for me).

[QUOTE=HolaaaaHiiii;3048538]I don't go for the extremely stunning / hooker looking ones. Just the ones that look like your next door neighbor indo aunty lmao.

She ain't no seeking pro. I go for 6-7/10 with big tits. That's my type. Apologies for talking like a retard haha.

They only ask about cab money to begin with but what's their unsaid "fees" for ST / LT Classic 400 k ok you think?

Please note. First hand experiences welcome (rather than the jaded monger philosopher saying just ask her or pay what you want, how difficult is it etc. Yes very difficult for me).[/QUOTE]I paid 500 K for ST to 1 M for LT for online. If you meet them at a bar like BATS, CJ where they have additional overhead, they ask more 2 M-3 M but you can seal the deal for 1. 5 M.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;3048287]Sure been there done that. Once I had this girl from SA who was horny as fuck. No money involved. She stayed overnight, got up at 5 am to do morning prayers in my room with full prayer outfit and then immediately after jumped into bed and fucked my brains out. I had to ask, how does she reconcile the two? The answer "I did a little good and now I do a little bad. All together its ok". Now who am I to argue with that math? Also with several other girls they arrived in hijab and I asked them to blow me first before taking it off. None ever said no.[/QUOTE]I can relate to this. I spent the night with a 21 yo shy Sundanese girl met on a dating app, and around 4:30 am when the morning Fajar prayer started blaring from a nearby mosque, she woke up and said, let's have sex, then I'll leave to catch the first train to Bekasi. I was completely exhausted yet amused by her mischievous suggestion, we been out karoeking and drinking, and already had sex once before going to bed, but I couldn't sleep anyway, so said why not as I already agreed to pay her 1 M for the entire night, we had a great sex, kind of scandalous vibe doing it while we were hearing the prayer from the loudspeaker. After the deed, we came downstairs, walked to the nearby Indomaret to withdraw cash from the ATM to give her, and then saw her off. I returned to my hotel to catch up on some sleep.

There is a lot of great info about the usual places, but I would like some information about the karaoke clubs.

I visited several of them one year ago and the lineup was plenty of supermodels.

At the time it was too expensive for my budget. But I was shocked by how hot the girls were.

I also got the feeling that the prices were for tourists and especially rich Japanese and Chinese who have relationships with karaoke clubs and like to sing.

I'm only interested in the sexual aspect, although no problem if the girl are happy to sing.

Does anyone have some information about this environment and like to share? I will be back in Jakarta in few weeks.

I met a guy in the airport who told me about a exclusive spa with massages, like a FFK similar place. I wonder if someone know where this can be?

You can find hot russian girls in Thailand and Bali for variation, someone who knows if there is any Russian clubs or activity in Jakarta?

If som of you will be in Jakarta February 15-20 I am happy to catch up and give you a cold drink. Please PM.

Holy Moses, I'd pay good money for some jilbab goodness. The last and final thing on my bucket list. My ancient ticker better last just a few more years so I can make this dream happen. I want to 'ngentot' some jilbab babes!

[QUOTE=James006;3048742]

You can find hot russian girls in Thailand and Bali for variation, someone who knows if there is any Russian clubs or activity in Jakarta?
.[/QUOTE]There are multiple reports in this forum about CIS chicks available in Malio Hotel.

I banged a hot Uzbek for about 3. 3 M but with drinks and tips, total came to almost 4 M.

Extremely steep when you just banged a hot 18 year old for 450 k all in at Classic.

There will be a lineup around you, about a dozen girls staring at you of all shapes and sizes. Most were bangable and I am quite picky and an optics guy.

Is it worth 10 x. Idk. I had an itch to scratch. Didn't do it again.

[QUOTE=LoneWolff;3048789]There are multiple reports in this forum about CIS chicks available in Malio Hotel.

I banged a hot Uzbek for about 3. 3 M but with drinks and tips, total came to almost 4 M. [/QUOTE]Not a criticism, but just to be clear: you banged an Uzbek Mamasan girl (not a dancer) for 3.3 M. Wow! That's some hefty price hike. When I was last in Jakarta in 2019 import Mamasan "couch" girls were 1.8 M, Indo Mamasan "couch" girls were 900 M & 1200 M and Indo dancers were privately negotiable in the 2 M to 3 M range. I had lots of great times with Chinese, Viet, and local Indo "couch" girls, but my primary focus from my 1st night there was on the dancers, not only on account of their looks, but more importantly, that the dancers were usually far better in a unrestrained PSE way than most of the "couch" girl that I had there. Thus, for me, the best time to go (especially for Malio Club) was after 9:30 pm when all the prime dancers would be there, although sometimes things did not get going until 11 pm or so.

Anyway, from 2009 to 2019 Malio / Malioboro was one of my favorite bordellos in not only Jakarta, but in the world, thanks the talent level and wild times I always had there. I liked Hotel Alexas probably even more back then because they had the hottest looking girls of any bordello in town.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3048323]There was a time when it wasn't at all uncommon for that night's score to wake in the morning, pull on a school uniform and be gone. Just be wary of the colour. From memory, grey as ok, blue was borderline and red was a felony. 😁.
Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]If I tell the police officer I am colourblind, it will be OK ?

[QUOTE=Bacchuss;3048864]If I tell the police officer I am colourblind, it will be OK ?[/QUOTE]As always: Indonesia is a mess. And the new criminal code is perpetuating this. Previously, prostitution was not explicitly mentioned. It was in theory covered under crimes against decency, if a conservative judge wanted that and was generally only brought against the sex worker. The new law does not criminalize prostitution, not even in the theoretical term "decency" (that term now has very specific meanings, no longer covering prostitution). Instead it penalizes all sex outside marriage, but only if the parents want to prosecute their daughter. But pimping or transporting an under aged girl for prostitution is now explicitly a crime.

The age of consent was 15 previously and now seems to be 18. However, 2 different laws still make it 15 and 16. Presumably the more recent criminal code takes precedence. If you're American, in addition any sexual act with under 18's abroad is a crime (regardless of local law) and can be prosecuted after returning to the US.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3048434]With Emporium, Malio and 1001 being more than double the prices, why would we even bother going anywhere else besides Classic and Travel?[/QUOTE]I choose higher-end places because they consistently deliver quality, service, and the ambiance that I prefer. I have experienced budget, mid, and high end mongering. I just tend to gravitate more to higher end experiences. I place a higher value on cleanliness, good smells, and a relaxed atmosphere. I'm paying for fewer compromises, better experiences, and time saved. For me, value isn't about the lowest price. It's about the highest return on experience.

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[QUOTE=JoeBrooklyn;3048965]That's major bullshit. The USA Should have absolutely no jurisdiction over what their citizens do abroad. That's completely the purview of the country they happen to be in.[/QUOTE]What you're saying makes common sense but unfortunately it's not the law. Futureguy's prior post is actually correct and is the law of the USA. The likely hood of someone being prosecuted is another question.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;3049009]What you're saying makes common sense but unfortunately it's not the law. Futureguy's prior post is actually correct and is the law of the USA. The likely hood of someone being prosecuted is another question.[/QUOTE]And not just the USA. Many countries have the same law. Even if you don't pay for it and the sex is consensually.

[QUOTE=SwashBuckler77;3048959]I choose higher-end places because they consistently deliver quality, service, and the ambiance that I prefer. I have experienced budget, mid, and high end mongering. I just tend to gravitate more to higher end experiences. I place a higher value on cleanliness, good smells, and a relaxed atmosphere. I'm paying for fewer compromises, better experiences, and time saved. For me, value isn't about the lowest price. It's about the highest return on experience.[/QUOTE]I appreciate what you are saying. For my first trip to Jakarta two years ago, I only had time to go to Classic T2 and I was quite pleased with the quality of the girls there, ie. , more than enough for me to take in a few sessions. If it's the overall experience that can be improved by going to the higher end places, what would really make a huge difference for me if this even exists in places like Emporium and Malio is if they were non-smoking environments so I wouldn't have to suffer from all that smoke in Classic. If Emporium and Malio ends up having me come out like I spent the night in a chimney much like at Classic, I don't really see any huge benefit with the premium places.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3049022]I appreciate what you are saying. For my first trip to Jakarta two years ago, I only had time to go to Classic T2 and I was quite pleased with the quality of the girls there, ie. , more than enough for me to take in a few sessions. If it's the overall experience that can be improved by going to the higher end places, what would really make a huge difference for me if this even exists in places like Emporium and Malio is if they were non-smoking environments so I wouldn't have to suffer from all that smoke in Classic. ...[/QUOTE]I visit Classic right after they open. Thus I avoid three nuisances:

1) the smoke, which takes a couple of hours to fill the room.

2) the deafining music as from 5 pm.

3) sloppy seconds when I take a girl to the room.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3049022]I appreciate what you are saying. For my first trip to Jakarta two years ago, I only had time to go to Classic T2 and I was quite pleased with the quality of the girls there, ie. , more than enough for me to take in a few sessions. If it's the overall experience that can be improved by going to the higher end places, what would really make a huge difference for me if this even exists in places like Emporium and Malio is if they were non-smoking environments so I wouldn't have to suffer from all that smoke in Classic. If Emporium and Malio ends up having me come out like I spent the night in a chimney much like at Classic, I don't really see any huge benefit with the premium places.[/QUOTE]I can't recall much smoke in Emporium, though I'm sure if you arrive at an unfortunate time things will not be so good. Sit down on the sofa while perusing the girls (last time I ordered a pot of tea, which they were going to bring to the pool for me when I went there, but I told them never mind that) in a quiet environment. Maybe you will be the only punter sitting on the sofas while you're in that lounge, unless you spend a lot of time choosing. Then off to the pool to relax for half an hour with your chosen girl if you want, where I can't remember noticing much smoke either. Then off to your private room for what is now 60 minutes only, and where the only people who might be smoking would be you or the girl.

Not worth paying 5 times the price of Classic for me, but if I had enough money for that not to matter, I'd be visiting more often. Service has automatically also always been very good the few times I did visit, while at Classic I always feel I have to make some effort to get the girl to like me at least a little to get anything more than mediocre service.

[QUOTE=JoeBrooklyn;3048965]That's major bullshit. The USA Should have absolutely no jurisdiction over what their citizens do abroad. That's completely the purview of the country they happen to be in.[/QUOTE]Sex starved people are continually consumed with having sex and nothing else. A sexually satisfied person has the inclination to think about other things such as the bull shit that the government is doing.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3049075]I can't recall much smoke in Emporium, though I'm sure if you arrive at an unfortunate time things will not be so good. Sit down on the sofa while perusing the girls (last time I ordered a pot of tea, which they were going to bring to the pool for me when I went there, but I told them never mind that) in a quiet environment. Maybe you will be the only punter sitting on the sofas while you're in that lounge, unless you spend a lot of time choosing. Then off to the pool to relax for half an hour with your chosen girl if you want, where I can't remember noticing much smoke either. Then off to your private room for what is now 60 minutes only, and where the only people who might be smoking would be you or the girl.

Not worth paying 5 times the price of Classic for me, but if I had enough money for that not to matter, I'd be visiting more often. Service has automatically also always been very good the few times I did visit, while at Classic I always feel I have to make some effort to get the girl to like me at least a little to get anything more than mediocre service.[/QUOTE]Are the girls at Emporium (and Malio) that much better in terms of looks and service compared to those at Classic and Travel? I know that the girls at Classic were kind of passive but that's okay for me as I'm not into the hard core porno stuff like many guys are. So if that's the big difference with the girls at Emporium, I'm not really missing out.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3049265]Are the girls at Emporium (and Malio) that much better in terms of looks and service compared to those at Classic and Travel? I know that the girls at Classic were kind of passive but that's okay for me as I'm not into the hard core porno stuff like many guys are. So if that's the big difference with the girls at Emporium, I'm not really missing out.[/QUOTE]You are willing to fly all the way to Jakarta but not willing to spend $100 to find out for yourself?

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3049265]Are the girls at Emporium (and Malio) that much better in terms of looks and service compared to those at Classic and Travel? I know that the girls at Classic were kind of passive but that's okay for me as I'm not into the hard core porno stuff like many guys are. So if that's the big difference with the girls at Emporium, I'm not really missing out.[/QUOTE]The prettiest p4p girls I banged in Jakarta were at Classic, but at Emporivm most of the girls are as pretty as the top 5% in Classic, so you don't have to skip through 95 Classic girls to find one you like.

I'm not into any type of hard core stuff myself either, so I'm not referring to that. Just that the girls seemed more interested in pleasing me, and it's a more relaxed, sensual / slow paced, experience. This also makes sense when they probably have 1/10th of the customers the hottest Classic girls have, are paid however much more (I don't know how much more. 5 times as much as the 100 k the classic girls get? I've never asked, so just a wild guess), and probably care more about keeping their job there, lest they be demoted (back?) to Classic. ;-)

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3049265]Are the girls at Emporium (and Malio) that much better in terms of looks and service compared to those at Classic and Travel? I know that the girls at Classic were kind of passive but that's okay for me as I'm not into the hard core porno stuff like many guys are. So if that's the big difference with the girls at Emporium, I'm not really missing out.[/QUOTE]I am with Werweq thst Classic girls are more than adequate. For me, I couldn't justify the premium (yes 5 x) at Malio, 1001, or Emporium. Will say my 1001 girl had the finest tits on planet earth but the CBJ totally cancelled that out. For me it's Classic 100% no brainer.

I think the main draw the others would be a more luxe atmosphere and if you don't like a loud noisy club and prefer point and click.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;3049344]You are willing to fly all the way to Jakarta but not willing to spend $100 to find out for yourself?[/QUOTE]I'm going to be in Indonesia anyway for scuba diving so might as well spend a few days in Jakarta. I'm already going to be spending a small fortune mongering in Japan for a week afterwards so I'm taking Jakarta as the cheapie place first. I saw a video of the girls at Malio and honestly they really didn't look all that much better than the Classic girls in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3049431]I am with Werweq thst Classic girls are more than adequate. For me, I couldn't justify the premium (yes 5 x) at Malio, 1001, or Emporium. Will say my 1001 girl had the finest tits on planet earth but the CBJ totally cancelled that out. For me it's Classic 100% no brainer.

I think the main draw the others would be a more luxe atmosphere and if you don't like a loud noisy club and prefer point and click.[/QUOTE]For the price of a malio you can get LT with a 19 years old off tinder.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3049431]I am with Werweq thst Classic girls are more than adequate. For me, I couldn't justify the premium (yes 5 x) at Malio, 1001, or Emporium. Will say my 1001 girl had the finest tits on planet earth but the CBJ totally cancelled that out. For me it's Classic 100% no brainer.

I think the main draw the others would be a more luxe atmosphere and if you don't like a loud noisy club and prefer point and click.[/QUOTE]I totally understand it if guys want to spend their time in a more upper class setting. I don't intend on hanging out at Classic for any extended time to just chill. If I do, I'll likely be over at the quieter area near the pool tables but since I'll be solo, I would much rather just retreat to my room afterward a session.

[QUOTE=BroComplex;3049453]For the price of a malio you can get LT with a 19 years old off tinder.[/QUOTE]I prefer Tinder girls over Classic et al girls. Tinder takes a lot of work plus there's always the chance you'll get catfished or even after vchatting, the girl appear different in person. However, this week I met up with a Tinder girl. Holy fuck. She was way more beautiful than any of her pics. Beautiful face, facial bone structure, stunning eyes and flawless skin. She will age gracefully.

I also like Tinder because I have met low mileage girls. I had a girl stay with me last week for three days. I was the second man she has had sex with.

I've also met uni student and employed girls that are just looking for extra spending money. I probably have 30 Tinder girls that want to meet right now. Tinder is not for everyone but it works for me.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3049531]I've also met uni student and employed girls that are just looking for extra spending money. I probably have 30 Tinder girls that want to meet right now. Tinder is not for everyone but it works for me.[/QUOTE]As you seem to be current on Tinder conditions: could you be so kind to elaborate, what these girls are expecting in terms of payment at the moment? Is it straight to the bedroom or date at a Cafe before? BBFS or covered? More detailed insights are very much appreciated, thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3049022]I appreciate what you are saying. For my first trip to Jakarta two years ago, I only had time to go to Classic T2 and I was quite pleased with the quality of the girls there, ie. , more than enough for me to take in a few sessions. If it's the overall experience that can be improved by going to the higher end places, what would really make a huge difference for me if this even exists in places like Emporium and Malio is if they were non-smoking environments so I wouldn't have to suffer from all that smoke in Classic. If Emporium and Malio ends up having me come out like I spent the night in a chimney much like at Classic, I don't really see any huge benefit with the premium places.[/QUOTE]Yea, I hear you loud and clear. Although, I am certain that Classic T2/ T5 won't be my jam, I am still going to at least check it out. I really dig quality of the ladies so I owe Classic at least that much. My engine just doesn't get revved up when I am in a rush, hurried, pick a girl and go up and fuck environment. I have tried a couple times and my DNA just isn't wired like that.

I need some drinks, casual conversations, and just a chill atmosphere. I don't normally decide that "yes, I wann fuck this one" for at least an hour or so. That's why I pay extra to do KTVs in Asia. It is non-threatening and you are just hanging out. Hell I don't even like Karaoke singing. I have grown to appreciate the ambiance and the social aspect though. Of course, the KTVs are not a direct brothel-type scenario but if I am vibing good with a few chics, I tend to get my needs met 80% of the time (outcall). I will be sure to report about the smoke experience in EMP /1001 when I get out there in a few weeks!

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3049531]I prefer Tinder girls over Classic et al girls. Tinder takes a lot of work plus there's always the chance you'll get catfished or even after vchatting, the girl appear different in person. However, this week I met up with a Tinder girl. Holy fuck. She was way more beautiful than any of her pics. Beautiful face, facial bone structure, stunning eyes and flawless skin. She will age gracefully.

I also like Tinder because I have met low mileage girls. I had a girl stay with me last week for three days. I was the second man she has had sex with.

I've also met uni student and employed girls that are just looking for extra spending money. I probably have 30 Tinder girls that want to meet right now. Tinder is not for everyone but it works for me.[/QUOTE]Very interesting strategy. Are your Tinder excursions transactional or more organic hookups? Just wondering if these ladies that you are finding on Tinder are holiday girlfriends looking for a thrill, semi-pros that just need a little pocket money, seasoned pros that demand payment upfront? Sounds like they are just ladies looking for a thrilling experience but wanted to confirm. Thanks for your input!

[QUOTE=FutureGuy;3049669]As you seem to be current on Tinder conditions: could you be so kind to elaborate, what these girls are expecting in terms of payment at the moment? Is it straight to the bedroom or date at a Cafe before? BBFS or covered? More detailed insights are very much appreciated, thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Almost every Tinder girl will come to my hotel or apartment. Most ask for 1.5 for ST. In regards to BBFS, your mileage will vary. Are you clean and handsome or a smelly slob?

[QUOTE=SwashBuckler77;3049672]... My engine just doesn't get revved up when I am in a rush, hurried, pick a girl and go up and fuck environment. I have tried a couple times and my DNA just isn't wired like that.

I need some drinks, casual conversations, and just a chill atmosphere.…[/QUOTE]Same here. If I go to Classic, I'll session for two hours. That gives me time to enjoy the before and after shower and get comfortable with each other in the first 20 or so minutes.

But if I see a Tinder girl, it is usually for 2-3 hours and sometimes over night. It's odd that a girl will sleep over with a stranger but I suppose they don't mind. Of course the extra "economic support" and nice hotel room with cold AC, hot shower and breakfast buffet is enticing.

Hi All,

Posting a delayed report, not really getting time to write what is on my mind, with all the action, followed by rest, followed by moments to relax and gather my thoughts, but here is Day 1 summary of my exploits:

Day 1: Excitement was in the air, I had reached Jakarta after a hectic change of flights, and thereafter even a more hectic drive from Airport to my hotel, but it still didn't dampen my spirits, as I was waiting for this trip for a long time. Had a 2 hour nap in the hotel, and it was already late evening. Hotel this time turned out to be very expensive in terms of food and other services, so I started Gojeking for food, I remember there used to be a free delivery option last year, this year that disappeared too and every delivery now costs at least 15 k even after paying for the so called membership fee. These apps every have become thieving and opportunistic, but anyways this frustration exists at home too.

Classic Girl 1:

Onto more pleasant things, since it was my first day I wanted to kick off things on a high note and decided to choose the known option Classic, I wasn't in the mood to shuu anyone away today so I entertained the first mama that greeted me, sat on my usual away from the door, near the bar table watching a live football match, mama soon brought the line up, I picked the girl who was giving me coy looks from the line up, she wasn't a stunner but I would say decent 6, there was long waiting time for the rooms, so we got to spend good time at the table. One quick note, although I had asked mama to present me girls who will be open to kissing (ciuman), this one turned to be someone who said no in the room, but still gave me a good closed lip peck, she was reacting well to other things so it didn't spoil my mood, wasn't in the picky mood to let minor disappointments ruin my day anyway. Good 1 hour + action no body came knocking or called the girl, so all in all everything ended on a decent note, and since the girl's behavior was good, was actively trying to engage me in small talks, encouraging me to smoke in room etc, I gave her a 50 k tip and left the room.

Classic Girl 2:

With so many options to choose from, I decided not to settle for anything less than someone who fascinates me in terms of beauty and hotness, so I switched the table to other end of the room, to avoid the same mama approaching me again. One thing I did notice that most of the pretty girls were seated with SEA clientale at table just eating, drinking having some light fun, that brought to memory my Prague experience where the prettiest girls chose MP option to avoid FS, its true everywhere I guess the most beautiful ones try to get away by doing minimum. One girl who had colored her hair copper / reddish brown caught my attention, I just came out of a session so wanted to have a drink or 2 before I invited anyone to the table, I still couldn't take my eyes off her but she was not looking in my direction, I wanted to get an hint through eye contact, but I guess I was hoping for too much. I have never chosen a girl off the couch, it has always been mamas bringing someone over so that was a first step for me, I summoned some courage to take the leap of faith and asked the waitress who served my beer to call this girl, since I wanted to buy some time at the table I ordered the fruit platter which was very good. Girl came we started with some small talk, she asked if she can order a cig packet as she doesn't smoke the ones I do, I obliged as I wanted this experience to count and fade the earlier one from memory. Unlike previous encounter this time I asked the girl directly about DFK, and she said yes (I found this to be the best way to ensure you get what you want). Room waiting ensued meanwhile, we talked, danced a little bit, there was the flirtatious light touching in between, once in room she as with other girls started undressing for shower, I asked her to wait as I wanted to adore the packaging in which my sweets came, so I pulled her in for a soft and sensuous DFK, and she obliged followed by neck kissing and we just stood there for 10 odd minutes making out, some girls are good at manners and some are just your type in terms of physical connection, I felt the latter in this case. We continued our love affair in the shower too, where she washed Johnny with delicate care, funny thing though despite all this chemistry when we talked about things in her life and whether she wants to meet up at hotel, she came across as a bit transactional. Once out of bath, I took her in my embrace again, and slowly slipped away the towel for a yet another magnetic connection and this is where she and I clicked, she gave me a good bbj (6. 5-7) while I was on my back and we also 69 ed for sometime, but she disconnected from it rather quickly. I took her in missionary and the sounds she made in my ear just turned me on more and more, not to mention that she was tight and I was getting the perfect grip, never before I came only in one position with a girl, but with her just the missionary for 20-25 minutes of fast and slow combos with her legs wrapped around my back felt like heaven. After the deed I tipped her a 100 k note, we talked some more, exchanged numbers and discussed ballpark figures for a hotel visit. This was the kick-off I was looking for, a perfect start to a great vacation.

[QUOTE=ArnoldNe;3049925]Hi All,

Posting a delayed report, not really getting time to write what is on my mind, with all the action, followed by rest, followed by moments to relax and gather my thoughts, but here is Day 1 summary of my exploits:

Day 1: Excitement was in the air, I had reached Jakarta after a hectic change of flights, and thereafter even a more hectic drive from Airport to my hotel, but it still didn't dampen my spirits, as I was waiting for this trip for a long time. Had a 2 hour nap in the hotel, and it was already late evening. Hotel this time turned out to be very expensive in terms of food and other services, so I started Gojeking for food, I remember there used to be a free delivery option last year, this year that disappeared too and every delivery now costs at least 15 k even after paying for the so called membership fee. These apps every have become thieving and opportunistic, but anyways this frustration exists at home too.

Classic Girl 1:

Onto more pleasant things, since it was my first day I wanted to kick off things on a high note and decided to choose the known option Classic, I wasn't in the mood to shuu anyone away today so I entertained the first mama that greeted me, sat on my usual away from the door, near the bar table watching a live football match, mama soon brought the line up, I picked the girl who was giving me coy looks from the line up, she wasn't a stunner but I would say decent 6, there was long waiting time for the rooms, so we got to spend good time at the table. One quick note, although I had asked mama to present me girls who will be open to kissing (ciuman), this one turned to be someone who said no in the room, but still gave me a good closed lip peck, she was reacting well to other things so it didn't spoil my mood, wasn't in the picky mood to let minor disappointments ruin my day anyway. Good 1 hour + action no body came knocking or called the girl, so all in all everything ended on a decent note, and since the girl's behavior was good, was actively trying to engage me in small talks, encouraging me to smoke in room etc, I gave her a 50 k tip and left the room.

Classic Girl 2:

With so many options to choose from, I decided not to settle for anything less than someone who fascinates me in terms of beauty and hotness, so I switched the table to other end of the room, to avoid the same mama approaching me again. One thing I did notice that most of the pretty girls were seated with SEA clientale at table just eating, drinking having some light fun, that brought to memory my Prague experience where the prettiest girls chose MP option to avoid FS, its true everywhere I guess the most beautiful ones try to get away by doing minimum. One girl who had colored her hair copper / reddish brown caught my attention, I just came out of a session so wanted to have a drink or 2 before I invited anyone to the table, I still couldn't take my eyes off her but she was not looking in my direction, I wanted to get an hint through eye contact, but I guess I was hoping for too much. I have never chosen a girl off the couch, it has always been mamas bringing someone over so that was a first step for me, I summoned some courage to take the leap of faith and asked the waitress who served my beer to call this girl, since I wanted to buy some time at the table I ordered the fruit platter which was very good. Girl came we started with some small talk, she asked if she can order a cig packet as she doesn't smoke the ones I do, I obliged as I wanted this experience to count and fade the earlier one from memory. Unlike previous encounter this time I asked the girl directly about DFK, and she said yes (I found this to be the best way to ensure you get what you want). Room waiting ensued meanwhile, we talked, danced a little bit, there was the flirtatious light touching in between, once in room she as with other girls started undressing for shower, I asked her to wait as I wanted to adore the packaging in which my sweets came, so I pulled her in for a soft and sensuous DFK, and she obliged followed by neck kissing and we just stood there for 10 odd minutes making out, some girls are good at manners and some are just your type in terms of physical connection, I felt the latter in this case. We continued our love affair in the shower too, where she washed Johnny with delicate care, funny thing though despite all this chemistry when we talked about things in her life and whether she wants to meet up at hotel, she came across as a bit transactional. Once out of bath, I took her in my embrace again, and slowly slipped away the towel for a yet another magnetic connection and this is where she and I clicked, she gave me a good bbj (6. 5-7) while I was on my back and we also 69 ed for sometime, but she disconnected from it rather quickly. I took her in missionary and the sounds she made in my ear just turned me on more and more, not to mention that she was tight and I was getting the perfect grip, never before I came only in one position with a girl, but with her just the missionary for 20-25 minutes of fast and slow combos with her legs wrapped around my back felt like heaven. After the deed I tipped her a 100 k note, we talked some more, exchanged numbers and discussed ballpark figures for a hotel visit. This was the kick-off I was looking for, a perfect start to a great vacation.[/QUOTE]What ballpark figure did she give for a hotel visit? If you don't mind me asking.

Was the BJ with our without condom, and I'll assume the sex was with a condom?

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002;3049927]What ballpark figure did she give for a hotel visit? If you don't mind me asking.

Was the BJ with our without condom, and I'll assume the sex was with a condom?[/QUOTE]Different girls have given me different quotes over time, this one gave 1 m, but in past I have received quotes of 2 m also and this is also true if you go through mamas.

Both girls gave BBJ, and yes I prefer sex with condom.

[QUOTE=ArnoldNe;3049928]Different girls have given me different quotes over time, this one gave 1 m, but in past I have received quotes of 2 m also and this is also true if you go through mamas.

Both girls gave BBJ, and yes I prefer sex with condom.[/QUOTE]Thanks.

Expect the 1 m or 2 m would be a 1-2 hour visit to your hotel room. Would you know, if they'd take the day-off and do LT for that 2 m rate??

Promise no more questions.

I'm really looking at crossing off Indonesia from my bucket list this year.

[QUOTE=ArnoldNe;3049925]…funny thing though despite all this chemistry when we talked about things in her life and whether she wants to meet up at hotel, she came across as a bit transactional...[/QUOTE]I have had the same experience with three Classic T2 girls. In the room, they were interested in exchanging WA to schedule OB but as we left the room to return to T2, they raced and quickly assumed the position (sitting with the other girls). I presume that's their safe haven.

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002;3049932]Thanks.

Expect the 1 m or 2 m would be a 1-2 hour visit to your hotel room. Would you know, if they'd take the day-off and do LT for that 2 m rate??

Promise no more questions.

I'm really looking at crossing off Indonesia from my bucket list this year.[/QUOTE]DMed you my reply.

I know I skipped from Day 1 to 6, but since this was a casual walkabout I thought I will share it immediately, I will soon write my other day experiences also.

I was in walking distance of Loksari square, so decided to check it out, overall the place is a good market square will all kinds of shops, hair salons, some massage options (which I may check out tomorrow), eating places, place is buzzing with people moving about their business, so it isn't a run down place or anything unlike what I had gathered from the posts here. The market square is surrounded by Olympic hotel (which by the looks of it is a 4-5 star hotel) and Luminor on the main road opening.

As people have mentioned before here there are guys sitting bang opposite to KFC they will call you out and cannot go unnoticed, while I walked past them initially, one woman in hijab+mask+all covered came up to me and straightaway asked me for sex in hotel, I was a little taken aback but expected something like this and that is honestly why I went there to check out the offerings but had no intention to actually engage, this woman by her hand looked old (only her hand was visible), she offered FS for 300 k. Then I went to another lane where there were few massage places, one of them had the whole sauna, 90 minutes massage, hot / cold pool etc for 250 k (I intend to check this place tomorrow). On my way out I engaged with the KFC guys they showed me one decent looking girl who was standing right there (400ST, 1 M LT, I got the sense that this is negotiable), but I asked them to share more pics on WA, in retrospect this seemed like a mistake as these guys turned out to be very pushy, kept calling on WA, sent a few pics I personally did not like anyone from the pics, then they video called to show someone, I rejected told them to share photo only. While I came out of the square and started walking on the main street one middle aged lady also approached me first I thought she was selling something in her hand, but later she mentioned massage, boom chika boom and all the other keywords that pointed to the obvious for 200 k.

There are couple of alcohol stores in the square if anyone wants to buy Whiskey or any other hard liquor, there were few promos running as well but it was nothing that I would not get back at home, so I just bought one different offering that I found I. E. Sapporo beer (Japanese). Most of the offers were for Whiskey bottles and Soju etc.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3049022]I appreciate what you are saying. For my first trip to Jakarta two years ago, I only had time to go to Classic T2 and I was quite pleased with the quality of the girls there, ie. , more than enough for me to take in a few sessions. If it's the overall experience that can be improved by going to the higher end places, what would really make a huge difference for me if this even exists in places like Emporium and Malio is if they were non-smoking environments so I wouldn't have to suffer from all that smoke in Classic. If Emporium and Malio ends up having me come out like I spent the night in a chimney much like at Classic, I don't really see any huge benefit with the premium places.[/QUOTE]Yes, when you go to the higher end places you will definitely find the environment to be a lot more pleasant. I can count 3 different occasions at Emporium when I was the only customer there! David and I chilling on the couch while he gives me the breakdown of the entire line up. You are paying a premium for amazing service and a fantastic environment, well worth the added cost. Never had a bad session there and always leave completely satisfied. Lets compare that to classic. One Friday night I took 4 girls back to the room but only banged one girl! The first 3 girls I picked all had something about them I didn't like once we got in the room. Some things, like the smell of the kitty or I didn't like the body or the vibe or the face once you can actually see it in real light. I stopped all 3 of those sessions within 15 minutes, thanked them for their time and left the room to go fishing for another. I still do enjoy the place from time to time because the price point is basically free you have the freedom to be very selective with whom you want to bust your nut with. And if it doesn't work out you can always try, try, then try again! Give some of the premium places a try you might enjoy them a lot more.

Day 2-5:

For these days I had scheduled for my holiday GF to arrive, she is ex a Classic girl, and agreed to stay with me for 4 days, I wasn't sure what to expect from this as it was my first time staying with someone who is a stranger on all counts except for the online connection that we had maintained over the past year since my Classic visit. While she was pleasant overall, I was constantly conscious of her presence, as it is one thing to put on a mongering persona for some hours or even for a night but to have someone with you all the time could expose cracks in an otherwise well enacted act.

She was sweet, nice and honest we did some karaoke'ing on our first night till 4 am and hit the hay after that, next day we started with a late breakfast followed by a swim and then to outdoor activities. My intention for this arrangement was mostly for a companion for outdoor activities with some indoor activities on the side (wink). Next day also we visited some malls, enjoyed bowling, a game of snooker (what they call billiard over here), I am a cash only person on these visits and unfortunately all these games came with a no cash payment only methods, so she paid for all these activities with QR code from her phone. Post that had some good in room action in the hotel tub and then on to the bed, she had brought a sweet lingerie as per the plan that I had given her beforehand. We had one more day to go but I got a skin allergy from something (don't know from what maybe a bug bite or some other food interaction), went to apotek nearby and took a over the counter pills (Dextamine) so third day we had to stay in, meanwhile my instinct for exploration also started popping its head in, we had one more outdoorsy plan which I thought would worsen the allergy because of sweat and heat, so I requested her to cut our visit short by 1 day. She was a little disappointed but I still paid her the agreed sum which included the adjustments for her online payments for our activities together and taxi fare / tip, so we both parted ways on a happy note.

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002;3049932]Thanks.

Expect the 1 m or 2 m would be a 1-2 hour visit to your hotel room. Would you know, if they'd take the day-off and do LT for that 2 m rate??

Promise no more questions.

I'm really looking at crossing off Indonesia from my bucket list this year.[/QUOTE]Are they allowed to visit me in my room at Classic Hotel?

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3050099]Are they allowed to visit me in my room at Classic Hotel?[/QUOTE]Best to ask the girl directly.

[QUOTE=MrMiyaG;3046867]Jakarta is more than just Classic or Travel, although it's a good start but there is so much more to do.

I have visited both during my stay but I won't bore you with the details, ISG has multiple threads about these 2 places. Spa / Massage parlours are new favourite activity to do before night.

The only tip I want to give you for classic and travel:

1. Buy some earplugs (especially for classic) I wore 3 M airplugs it was a the best thing I did to block the loud music.

2. Use a credit card (or debit) to pay your tap and use cash for tipping the girls etc. Because walking with a stack of cash and going to the ATM every day is really annoying.[/QUOTE]Thank you bro lot of details for anyone visiting.

[QUOTE=ArnoldNe;3050105]Best to ask the girl directly.[/QUOTE]I guess I was asking more about the hotel Classic's guest policies. I stayed there but never asked since last time I had no intention of taking anyone back to my room. But I might use this as an option for my next trip as I'll likely be staying there again.

On next visit I don't want to register my phone at the airport when I buy a sim. I want to buy a cheap used phone can someone give me advice on the matter. Do I still need an Indonesian person to register it them using their identity card, How does it work?

[QUOTE=Delbo1;3050308]On next visit I don't want to register my phone at the airport when I buy a sim. I want to buy a cheap used phone can someone give me advice on the matter. Do I still need an Indonesian person to register it them using their identity card, How does it work?[/QUOTE]If you buy a phone in country, the IMEI is already registered. No further action required. Just show your passport when you buy the Indo phone and buy / activate the SIM.

I bought a cheap Samsung A05's at Backbone Celluar at arrival in Terminal 3. It works with any activated Indo SIM. But it was only a 4 G phone. You could also go to a shop in town and buy a better phone and the IMEI will be registered. So as along as your SIM is working, it should work in the phone as long as the phone was bought in Indonesia.

KI Girl 1:

One thing that I like about KI is it working till late hours (4 am), gives me some breathing space as I am usually a night owl.

I keep mixing up the bar names in KI, so pardon me if the name is not accurate, first bar I went to was Royal something, it is in the lane of where Starmoon used to be, adjacent to Sari Ayu. Entered bar, was chilling out with a drink, scanning the talent from afar, papi approached me after some time, asking me about my preferences by hand gestures, I prefer the line-up approach instead of them bringing girls one by one (feels bad to say no, in a one on one face off), but I nodded yes on a 3-4th girl. She was slim, I confirmed my requirements with her beforehand (I have made this my SOP going by previous experiences). She performed well in the room on all counts, overall a very satisfactory performance but nothing to sing songs about, tipped her a 50 k and left.

KI Girl 2:

I was not done for the night, so hit the next bar with girls in green dresses, sat on one of the big red couches, first I thought the couches are only meant for big groups, but happy to be wrong on that count, I wanted to cool off from the prev. Experience and recharge for the next one, so had slow beer / smoking session, while watching local news on the tele, after a drink or 2 one mama approached me, same ordeal about telling her the requirement, she brought a spunky little cutie which I liked immediately, we had beer together and took it nice and slow. Among other things en room, she was exceptional at BBJ, licked my johnny like a lollypop from front to side, taking it in, ball licking and pretty much everything in the genital region (I have maintained trimmed pubes, so maybe that helps with this sort of thing). Loved the action from her so took her number and bid adieu with 100 k tip. It started to pour outside and I enjoyed a bike ride to hotel while getting soaked in rain. Came to room had a hot cup of soup and called it a night.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3050296]I guess I was asking more about the hotel Classic's guest policies. I stayed there but never asked since last time I had no intention of taking anyone back to my room. But I might use this as an option for my next trip as I'll likely be staying there again.[/QUOTE]In general hotels do not have issues unless it is a Syrah hotel (which is usually mentioned in the name), given the party vibe at Classic, I doubt they will have any issues. Even mamas are ok if you want to take the girl for the night, only differential is pricing.

Club 36:

Day 6: Club 36:

I had actually planned to visit Kelapa Gading for 1 day, but given how much time it took me some days to move about for only 3-4 KMs, I lost the nerve to travel 15-16 KMs one side. So instead I explored what I could by roaming around on foot nearby my hotel only.

To sprinkle some spice of variation on an otherwise tried and tested tasty dish, I walked into this club just to check what's what, it seems like a decent club where audience seats are very close to the live performers. I grabbed a stool and waited for someone to take my order for a beer, but the waiters were busy at some VIP table who ordered a full bottle of Whiskey, so they came in with sparklers etc to make a celebratory vibe, music played on stage was a mix of Indo and some English songs in between. One girl dressed in black approached me, acknowledging my main reason for visiting (thanks to her), girls are hot (7-8's) and some 6 too, I just followed her lead they moved us to a table closer to the stage, girl was all smiley and making small chat to connect, when waitress came, I just ordered a simple beer while she asked for a cocktail which was expensive upon a little bit of small talk here and there she finally settled for a 200 k cocktail. While she was herself a 7, a girl who was easily 8-8. 5 passed by and was tempting, but I wanted to understand the proposition first, girl with me gave me all the details eagerly while making BJ actions with hand / mouth combo and all. It was kind of like the Karaoke club deals where minimum price for being alone with a girl in room was 2. 9 m (price of a Chivas Regal 12 bottle over there), and there were similar other bundles. She told me this cost was all inclusive and that she will strip and do naughty things with me once inside. I just slowly finished my drink told her that I will engage in the room party sometime later. But anyone interested in the karaoke experience this one is relatively cheaper than the 4-5 k jutas that I have been quoted before, but this is just initial knowledge, there could be taxes / service charges etc. Levied on final bill which cannot be clear until one tries it (so take above as an indicative ballpark cost only), there were other similar packages with higher price on a banner that I read once I came outside.

Classic:

Went to Classic after checking out the scene at Club 36, mama brought me a pretty girl, who was a little witty also, I liked her, there was waiting for room on this day also. I wanted to spend some more time with her than just being in room, so told her we may play a game of pool once all things in room are settled and good. She was good in bed and deserved a 100 k tip, after which I paid for another hour with her and a pool table (75 k), along with that I wanted to try something new in drinks so ordered a Soju and 2 Bintang raddler lemons (warning: cost of these drinks can sneak up on you, raddler lemon costs 98 for a pint and Soju green apple was 128 k, fruit platter is 125 or 126). Had a great time on the pool table, drinking in between, eating fruits. By the end I was a little drunk and craved for company after Classic closing hours, this girl was a little scared of mama so didn't agree to come to room (said maybe on a day off she will, I said ok, exchanged numbers) and called it a night.

Party in my room:

Once I came back to my room, I had an itch to drink more and also had a craving for having company along with the drinks. I figured it was already 4 am+ so I contacted the KI girl whose number I had taken and checked if she was available to come over, she was a little hesitant to come at that late hour as even she had to rest after a long shift, but was actively responding to my texts which I took as a good sign and engaged further, after some time she proposed that one of her friend also wants to come along, I am not a fan of threesome experimentation as I know that the girls here do not engage with each other, so I said ok bring along if she wants. Then she took that as a sign of something I am interested in and tried playing hardball with me on the cost, since our hours of fun was going to be limited and they had to work again the next day I didn't budge from my original proposition, after few exchanges of figures she agreed on the original sum proposed+taxi, they arrived at around 5.15-30 ish, her friend had a pretty face and did not speak any English, upon settling down in my room I learnt that she was set for a debut in Classic that day, I guess in this case the debut venue changed though haha. We had some drinks watched some stuff on you tube. My mind was searching for a hint of where we would break the ice of getting into the action, and while the new girl went to bathroom I started by kissing my KI girl, once the new girl came out of the bathroom, I joked about training her in the ways of Classic and then slowly moved on to making contact with her by hand on shoulder etc, and then hinted my KI girl to ask her friend to kiss me, she was shy at first but I got her up for a small dance and then took the initiative to plant my lips on hers, and to my surprise she did not break contact for a long time, after the kiss there was some chit chat in bahasa between them, but it was all playful throughout. As I suspected upon advancing to next stages it was a one at a time kind of threesome, I started wither her friend in missionary and did it with the KI girl in doggy (change of condom was requested and obliged), I didn't know I would be able to do the dance that late (6. 30-7 am) after being drunk the whole night, but I guess the motivation was good enough. I finished by cumming on chest of the KI girl while kissing her friend in a tight embrace. After the action we 3 continued our mischief in the bathtub and finally retired to bed for like 1 hour as they were to leave by 11 am, I could hardly sleep in that short of a time, so I just took both of them in each arm while they slept and I enjoyed the heavenly embrace. Woke them up at 10, we had breakfast together and they left at 10.45 ish, I tipped both of them 100 k each for a night or morning to remember for a long time, and finally closed my eyes for the previous night.

One quick note: Making contacts here is easy and girls are looking for an opportunity to earn and work their asses off for the same, so please enjoy the whole experience of paving your own way, this is a public forum, I don't know any of you personally, your kinks may be different than mine and some could be extreme for the girls or they may not respond to unknown senders, either ways I will not respond to any contact sharing requests and I only hope you understand my reasons. Enjoy Jakarta!!

Gents. I go to Fortune Spa in Grand Wijaya. I have go to location in Karet near Citywalk Malls. This time I try other location closer to Blok M. I read forum that Fortune Spa is more higher end experiences and girls, so I try. The Karet location has very nice facilities.

Grand Wijaya is a plaza with many restaurants, businesses and men spas. D'heaven, Delta, KTVs and few others there. Felt very safe in that area. Lots of civilian traffic on weekends.

Fortune Spa seemed to be nicer than the other places in Grand Wij. More professional. After take wrist band on main floor, cute young mama take to 2nd floor lounge area. I like she was not pushy, didn't ask for tip. She explained that star lady is 1. 9 M and regular lady is 1.35 M for 2 hours. She gave me line up. It was busy that weekend, so only 6-7 girls available. The quality I think was same between star and no-star. I picked Fresca for 1.35 M. She looked good, although light was dim. I upgraded to hotel room, which was only 200 K more.

I was led to room on 4 floor. Long hotel cooridor to my room. Fresca meet me there. Gave me a fantastic massage with lots of teasing. But only last 60 minutes. Then we did CBJ and CFS. Very mechanical. She had much baby dammage. Once I finished, she was not very engaging. I took shower and left. She asked for tip. Didn't know policy so gave her 150 K.

Checking out was easy and I was on my way. I didn't try facilities because I was short on time for meeting.

Overall, yes I would go back again. Maybe more expensive then others. I think D'heaven was total 1-1.2 M. But Fortune felt clean and more professional. And location is close to SCBD area. When I was checking out of lobby, there were two "Bule" (white men) checking in. So I think good sign they are welcome to foreigner. And next time I try facilities. I do most of my monger on Tinder / Seeking. Thus sometimes nice to get pampered in spa.

I think Karet location is much nicer and has different star levels (hotter women), but also more expensive.

And I see government car in parking lot there which is weird.

As mentioned before, this was the day on which I visited the Loksari square marketplace for the first time, after doing some scouting, came back to room, got dinner and set out for a yet another late nighter at Classic.

I went in late at around 11.45pm ish, I had a lot of back to back action for last 6-7 days, so I wasn't desparate to get a pussy, so I had decided that unless I get a spinner I will not committ to in room action. So there I was sitting in a laid back mood while one mami kept showing me her girls sitting on the couch, one of them seemed kind of interesting by her body language did not motivate me to select her. Out of nowhere a girl came and sat in front of me (after asking me if she could sit), she had come in with another customer but she struck my fancy like no one else did that night, I have not felt that striking attraction with anybody of late, but alas she was with another customer and went to room eventually with him after some time. I still took the initiative to ask her for her name while her customer was chatting with another friend. I did not want to appear rude to make advances at a girl who someone had already chose (bro code! first) but kept her name in my mind as a bookmark to visit soon again. After she left 2-3 mamis came and showed me their wares, I wasn't moved instead I went for 2+1 beer offer and was just taking it easy over there despite the clock hitting 1'o clock, somewhere in the back of my mind hoping that the girl in front of me will be back after finishing with the present customer, I know it was a long (someone would even say distant or impossible) shot but the heart wants what it wants.

Hope was getting slimmer as clock went about its business, but it only strengthened my resolve to wait longer and I guess somewhere along the lines my mind decided that it will be either her or nobody else tonight. I even asked 2-3 mamis for her name, all gave a different answer, 'She is not working today', 'She has left', 'She is with another customer', 'She left Classic', wowzer. At about 1.15-20 ish while I was just swiveling about on my stool with a smoke and drink in my hand, eyes planted in direction of the pool tables, she appeared to be coming out of the area, and I was not going to miss my opportunity this time I said to myself, I guess in this instance good things come to those who wait, I went rushing to her like a school boy before someone else snatched her while trying to appear composed as a customer in Classic should be, man she was the sweetest girl to talk to, and I got her to my table, we sat down, I told her how I have waited for her and she was surprised that I didn't pick anyone else in the meantime. I asked whether she is available now or whether she needs to freshen up or something, but I didn't want to let her out of my sights, luckily she said she is good, I asked her for my usual DFK etc requirements, to which she said no as she had flu but wasn't opposed to the idea, it wasn't a deal breaker for me anymore as I wanted to be with her more than anything else. Asked her to call mami, paid for the room, had a good session and learnt that she and I connected on more levels than one in terms of interests in entertainment, where I am from etc. It was a heavenly hour spent, after which she told me that she was exhausted as she had 6 sessions that day, she was falling asleep on the bed and I intended to let her catch a nap, but the phone rang, we had to wrap up to go.

There were people eyeing and approaching her when we came out of our session also at around 2. 30 am, but she just brushed past them, she really was tired.

We exchanged contact hoping to meet on her day off, lets see if it happens and if so how it goes.

This one goes to exploration and experimentation, this spa is located on the Olympic hotel side gate, where at gates I think there is fueling station also (not sure but it has toll like gates), it is the first spa as you enter, the rates are given outside the spa in writing on a wall also. I chose the Paket susu (250 k), which meant 90 mins Shiatsu massage with milk bath in the end, at least that is what I gathered and it turned out to be true. They had cabin type setup (but it was good), there was a curtain for a door but inside there was a bathtub also. Had to wait for a long time until someone showed up, and after 10-15 minutes a rather heavy girl showed up, I asked her to send someone else and she obliged without showing any signs of disappointment.

Another girl came after 5 minutes, she was pretty (maybe between 22-25 age wise), but had a soft skin and was kinda pretty, I was a little under the weather because of getting tired and catching a mild flu, so just wanted to relax, she started off with some walking on the back and legs action which I asked her to dial down, later she used a scrub (lulur something), and was going at my calves in a rather intense manner, I told her I only want a relaxing massage, her bedside manners were good (right from greeting when we met, till obliging to my requests), meanwhile she also complimented me being strong etc, I chuckled and enjoyed the compliment. She removed the towel from my back almost after 10 minutes of massage which I took as a sign of forthcoming action and I was right.

After an intense scrubbing experience (close to 1 hour), she asked me to turn around, and after massaging my chest, went on to massage my privates also, and eventually popped the question (HJ - 200 k, topless HJ - 300 k, FS - 500 K), I went with the second option but negotiated it down to 200, she had beautiful breasts and I was glad that I took the topless option, while initially she was sitting near my shaft only, I asked her for touching and eventually sucking, she obliged, did not allow kissing, but it didn't derail me, after 15-20 mins of playing around, I finished and it was followed by a bath in tub full of water and one carton of what I think was 1 litre of milk poured in it as part of the package.

Massage proved to be relaxing, my skin also felt very soft and nice afterwards

My flu was getting worse (decided next day was going to be a total rest time), and hence writing all FRs today.

[QUOTE=United1;3050383]She explained that star lady is 1. 9 M and regular lady is 1.35 M for 2 hours. She gave me line up. It was busy that weekend, so only 6-7 girls available. The quality I think was same between star and no-star. I picked Fresca for 1.35 M. She looked good, although light was dim. I upgraded to hotel room, which was only 200 K more.
But only last 60 minutes. Then we did CBJ and CFS. Very mechanical. She had much baby dammage. Once I finished, she was not very engaging. I took shower and left. She asked for tip. Didn't know policy so gave her 150 K.
Overall, yes I would go back again[/QUOTE]So the girl has big baby damage, gave a covered BJ and was not much into you and all of that for 1.5 M and you still think it was worth it?

I hope their 1.9 M girl are much better than their "bargained" girls for that price.

Michat seems to work with people nearby option, most of the prospects will either message you immed. themselves or respond to your messages promptly. I just window shopped through it everyday and prima facie seemed like a lot of good and economical options also, but I don't like to go through the ordeal of vetting out strangers on say a tea / coffee and then calling them to my room if they qualify, so I didn't venture into this territory. The girl from Classic who was staying with me advised me against using Michat, she said it is not good, I did not fully understand her reasons for saying so but I figured it maybe something to do with scams.

Anybody who has used it can chime in with their thoughts here.

[QUOTE=United1;3050383]Gents. I go to Fortune Spa in Grand Wijaya. I have go to location in Karet near Citywalk Malls. This time I try other location closer to Blok M. I read forum that Fortune Spa is more higher end experiences and girls, so I try. The Karet location has very nice facilities.

Grand Wijaya is a plaza with many restaurants, businesses and men spas. D'heaven, Delta, KTVs and few others there. Felt very safe in that area. Lots of civilian traffic on weekends.

Fortune Spa seemed to be nicer than the other places in Grand Wij. More professional. After take wrist band on main floor, cute young mama take to 2nd floor lounge area. I like she was not pushy, didn't ask for tip. She explained that star lady is 1. 9 M and regular lady is 1.35 M for 2 hours. She gave me line up. It was busy that weekend, so only 6-7 girls available. The quality I think was same between star and no-star. I picked Fresca for 1.35 M. She looked good, although light was dim. I upgraded to hotel room, which was only 200 K more.

I was led to room on 4 floor. Long hotel cooridor to my room. Fresca meet me there. Gave me a fantastic massage with lots of teasing. But only last 60 minutes. Then we did CBJ and CFS. Very mechanical. She had much baby dammage. Once I finished, she was not very engaging. I took shower and left. She asked for tip. Didn't know policy so gave her 150 K..[/QUOTE]And case of "Those with low expectations will seldom be disappointed". For most of us that sounds like an overpriced below average experience. Baby damage, CBJ, mechanical service? And you tipped her 150 K for that? And would repeat? Hmm, if that's all you want!

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3050416]So the girl has big baby damage, gave a covered BJ and was not much into you and all of that for 1.5 M and you still think it was worth it?

I hope their 1.9 M girl are much better than their "bargained" girls for that price.[/QUOTE]Some guys like to get fucked these days it s obvious.

[QUOTE=ArnoldNe;3050502]Michat seems to work with people nearby option, most of the prospects will either message you immed. themselves or respond to your messages promptly. I just window shopped through it everyday and prima facie seemed like a lot of good and economical options also, but I don't like to go through the ordeal of vetting out strangers on say a tea / coffee and then calling them to my room if they qualify, so I didn't venture into this territory. The girl from Classic who was staying with me advised me against using Michat, she said it is not good, I did not fully understand her reasons for saying so but I figured it maybe something to do with scams.

Anybody who has used it can chime in with their thoughts here.[/QUOTE]Michat, WeChat and all the other chat apps, that allow you to use the nearby function. Yes, you can get lots of girls to come to your hotel or apartment. The problem is 95% of the time the girl you think is coming based on her picture does not actually show up because it was bait and switch! So as long as you are comfortable getting ANY girl to show up rather than the girl you actually want, then go for it.

[QUOTE=ArnoldNe;3050502]Michat seems to work with people nearby option, most of the prospects will either message you immed. themselves or respond to your messages promptly. I just window shopped through it everyday and prima facie seemed like a lot of good and economical options also, but I don't like to go through the ordeal of vetting out strangers on say a tea / coffee and then calling them to my room if they qualify, so I didn't venture into this territory. The girl from Classic who was staying with me advised me against using Michat, she said it is not good, I did not fully understand her reasons for saying so but I figured it maybe something to do with scams.

Anybody who has used it can chime in with their thoughts here.[/QUOTE]

Good reports from you here, so allow me to give something back.

No need for tea or coffee on michat. You are not dating. Unlike tinder/bumble/etc., it's all hookers on michat, and in most cases, though not all, you are not even talking with the girl herself, but to some man / woman the girls seem to call "admin".

1: agree on price.

2: do not give your real name or room number. Only name of hotel. If asked for photo of room card, send that, but not the part that shows the room number.

3: video call before agreeing to meet. In 95% of the cases, there will be some problems arranging that, or you will be disappointed with how she actually looks, and things will end there. Since michat does not support video call, you need to prepare a dedicated monger whatsapp number for this, so that you can enable / disable / mute that number when not looking for p4p.

4: agree to meet in lobby of hotel (or somewhere nearby outside perhaps, if you are too shy for lobby).

5: video call again from your room when she's arrived in the lobby. Half the time, it will be somebody else, but funnily enough, they may still look just as good. I've had a handful of threesomes via michat, and one time the photos were of a pair of girls I remembered having banged before once, so I didn't bother verifying beforehand, assuming it would be the same two girls. Who turned up were two completely different girls, but who looked about the same on the 1-10 scale, so it turned out ok anyway.

6: if the girl is decent and you think you may want to repeat, ask for her whatsapp so you can contact her directly later. The admin account may or may not be working when you contact it again later, and the girl they send then may or may not be the same. Plus the girl will get the whole fee herself that way, so in her best interest too.

If you do not video call, be prepared to go up and down to the lobby a dozen times before, only maybe, somebody resembling their photo and looking half decent will turn up. I'm not a fan of video calling random hookers, so didn't do that the first few days I used michat, but it was a time wasting mistake, even if I was just relaxing or working in my room while waiting to go down to the lobby and reject the strange woman who was waiting for me there.

Price:
- normally 300-400 for one girl, up to 500. A handful rejected and wanted 600-800, but I didn't bother with them. Most I paid was 500 I'm pretty sure.
- 800 for two girls (make it clear before booking that you want two shots in this case, if that is what you want), or I guess 700 would also be accepted, but didn't bother trying. 800 was quickly accepted in all cases.

BTW: one of the girls I met from michat was also working at Classic, though I'd never choose her in a Classic line-up. A 5 at best lookwise, though personality and service was good. I blame low-res video for this.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3050099]Are they allowed to visit me in my room at Classic Hotel?[/QUOTE]Your question has been answered numerous times and within the last 2-3 months. Read the forum.

[QUOTE=ArnoldNe;3050397]Out of nowhere a girl came and sat in front of me (after asking me if she could sit), she had come in with another customer but she struck my fancy like no one else did that night, I have not felt that striking attraction with anybody of late, but alas she was with another customer and went to room eventually with him after some time. I still took the initiative to ask her for her name while her customer was chatting with another friend. I did not want to appear rude to make advances at a girl who someone had already chose (bro code! first) but kept her name in my mind as a bookmark to visit soon again.
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I went rushing to her like a school boy before someone else snatched her while trying to appear composed as a customer in Classic should be, man she was the sweetest girl to talk to, and I got her to my table, we sat down, I told her how I have waited for her…..[/QUOTE]"Bro code" - You snooze; you lose. I arrived at T2, walked passed the mamas, checked out every girl, made a list of top 3, suddenly a mama called her girls to a table. My Number 1 was in that group. Fuck bro code. I walked to the table as the girls were surrounding two guys. I tapped the mama on the shoulder and pointed to my Number 1. Mama directed Number 1 to follow me. Two hours. She was 100% GFE and also gave me an outstanding massage for about 30 minutes.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3050690]"Bro code" - You snooze; you lose. I arrived at T2, walked passed the mamas, checked out every girl, made a list of top 3, suddenly a mama called her girls to a table. My Number 1 was in that group. Fuck bro code. I walked to the table as the girls were surrounding two guys. I tapped the mama on the shoulder and pointed to my Number 1. Mama directed Number 1 to follow me. Two hours. She was 100% GFE and also gave me an outstanding massage for about 30 minutes.[/QUOTE]Fucking love this! Bold!

I can count on one hand my buds that qualify for Bros before hos. 98% I'm hos before bros!

Absolutely bold power move. Love it.

[QUOTE=ArnoldNe;3049955]I know I skipped from Day 1 to 6, but since this was a casual walkabout I thought I will share it immediately, I will soon write my other day experiences also.

I was in walking distance of Loksari square, so decided to check it out, overall the place is a good market square will all kinds of shops, hair salons, some massage options (which I may check out tomorrow), eating places, place is buzzing with people moving about their business, so it isn't a run down place or anything unlike what I had gathered from the posts here. The market square is surrounded by Olympic hotel (which by the looks of it is a 4-5 star hotel) and Luminor on the main road opening.

As people have mentioned before here there are guys sitting bang opposite to KFC they will call you out and cannot go unnoticed, while I walked past them initially, one woman in hijab+mask+all covered came up to me and straightaway asked me for sex in hotel, I was a little taken aback but expected something like this and that is honestly why I went there to check out the offerings but had no intention to actually engage, this woman by her hand looked old (only her hand was visible), she offered FS for 300 k. Then I went to another lane where there were few massage places, one of them had the whole sauna, 90 minutes massage, hot / cold pool etc for 250 k (I intend to check this place tomorrow). On my way out I engaged with the KFC guys they showed me one decent looking girl who was standing right there (400ST, 1 M LT, I got the sense that this is negotiable), but I asked them to share more pics on WA, in retrospect this seemed like a mistake as these guys turned out to be very pushy, kept calling on WA, sent a few pics I personally did not like anyone from the pics, then they video called to show someone, I rejected told them to share photo only. While I came out of the square and started walking on the main street one middle aged lady also approached me first I thought she was selling something in her hand, but later she mentioned massage, boom chika boom and all the other keywords that pointed to the obvious for 200 k.

There are couple of alcohol stores in the square if anyone wants to buy Whiskey or any other hard liquor, there were few promos running as well but it was nothing that I would not get back at home, so I just bought one different offering that I found I. E. Sapporo beer (Japanese). Most of the offers were for Whiskey bottles and Soju etc.[/QUOTE]Pre-pandemic Lokasari used to be a fun place. Due to an upgrading of the area, the hangout spots got lost. Nowadays you can find girls, somewhat older, either hidden away or at the open street bars between KFC and Hotel Prinsen Park. You have to deal with mamasans. Just keep in mind the price points: takeout to your hotel in Northern Jakarta is 400-500 for about one hour. You can send the girls back alone (she will carry a smartphone for contact with the mama). If you do it at Lokasari you should not pay more than 500-600 including the Hotel room for 1-2 hours (organized by the mama). Be prepared, that these are crappy hotel rooms around the area.

However, it's best if you just collect the girls Whatsapp number at your first meeting (for the Americans: nobody uses Apple Chat). Talk to them by Google Translate Voice-to-Text. In the future you will meet the girl and her friends from Lokasari directly at your hotel, no involvement of Mamasan. Price point is still 400-500 per girl. As the mama is not taking her share of 150-200, this still means they are very happy to meet you. They can bring other Lokasari girls along for 3 somes. Of course, ask them to send a short video of the girl before you arrive.

All prices BBFS (unless you stink, have a neckbeard etc. - so just be well groomed), about 70% of girls agree to video sessions for 400 tip.

Gents.

I am planning a trip in 2 weeks and I am hesitant to choose Jakarta because of Ramadan starting on 17th Feb.

From the reports, it seems the number of girls will be less and the time will be restricted in all adult establishments.

I would love to know. If the fall in girls headcount is big enough to warrant a change of destination? ?

So apparently, all the brothels will be closed for a week (or 2?) during the Idul Fitri celebrations. How about freelancer, tinder girls and the few classic girls which are actually from Jakarta? In your experience, will they be completely busy with family activities or still available for some fun?

I wonder if there is any point in staying in Jakarta during Idul Fitri.

[QUOTE=FutureGuy;2896447]As posted previously: quite a few of the girls have family in different parts of Indonesia and will visit these places for most of Ramadan. It's like Thanks Giving and Christmas combined.

Careful: many places will give the impression to be closed. But that's not necessarily true. E. g. The main entrance to the underground girls club at Travel Hotel is officially closed during Ramadan. However: there is a covert second entrance, not visible to the public. You have to ask the guards (using Google translate) about directions. The number of girls will be about half the usual number and most will arrive after sunset. As the girls are indeed strapped for cash just before and until late Ramadan, they are more eager to please (still the standard rate applies - 375 for covert sex).

At Lokasari (7 minutes on foot from Travel) you will find the usual girls, as they are all local girls from North Jakarta. See my previous posts about that place. Prices are 400-450 for BBFS CIP (bring your own lubrication! Either you have your own hotel or you have to pay another 200 for that. I'm generally meeting these girls at my AirBnB and I'm attaching some pictures to give an impression of choices.[/QUOTE]2 years ago I made this report about Ramadan. So yes: there are girls, in a reduced number. But also reduced number of customers. Meaning the ration of customer-to-girl is not too different from usual times.

What could be the alternative to Jakarta during Ramadan? The prices are still the same. Maybe Bali is a better option, as it's not majorly Islamic? But many of the working girls in Bali are likely from other regions of Indonesia.

[QUOTE=FutureGuy;3050987]2 years ago I made this report about Ramadan. So yes: there are girls, in a reduced number. But also reduced number of customers. Meaning the ration of customer-to-girl is not too different from usual times.

What could be the alternative to Jakarta during Ramadan? The prices are still the same. Maybe Bali is a better option, as it's not majorly Islamic? But many of the working girls in Bali are likely from other regions of Indonesia.[/QUOTE]I thought Ramadan is not the problem, only the week after Ramadan.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3050991]I thought Ramadan is not the problem, only the week after Ramadan.[/QUOTE]LOL, I arrive on the last day of Ramadan, so my timing sucks, I guess I'll experience the holidays, it's not solely a mongering trip, but still, I might have to see if the online stuff works if places are closed.

[QUOTE=FutureGuy;3050987]2 years ago I made this report about Ramadan.[/QUOTE]Holiday happens annually with a 10-day shift. Same questions come anually with the same answers. Easiest way is to search back as plenty of in-the-know posters like Future Guy have laid out the picture. If one depends on the public meat markets like Classic, IMHO best to skip as the scene will be dimished or unavailable. OTOH, last year I was in Jakarta smack in the middle of the holiday and all of my North Jakarta network girls were online from morning to night and hungry as ever to trade pussy for cash. Depends on your situation. AR.

Thank you for your replies and comments: Futureguy, werqwerq, Vendelo and Maximus V.

Quick replies on your comments:

Loksari: Intention was just scouting and checking the wares, never been one to pick streetwalkers otherwise, but if something met my fancy then I would have taken the chance.

Michat: I finally took the chance and tried it out, Detailed FR on the same below (won't recommend it to anyone else though).

@ Vendelo: The girl I was talking about was already assigned to a customer, she wasn't part of a line up, but I understand your approach and reasons why sometimes going on the front foot helps especially if someone catches your eye.

Day 10-11: Michat girls.

Tonight I had decided to stay in, rest have a couple of beers and call it a night but after the beers went in my instinct for adventure took hold but it was already 1 am and I didn't want to venture out. So I was casually browsing the wares on Michat, got talking to many girls one of whom met my criteria (at least on the pics and agreement to what I want and for how much). So yeah she asked for the hotel name, and after arrival room number, I was expecting to pick her up from lobby but she ended up knocking my hotel door instead, so yeah as mentioned by Werqwerq don't give them room number too soon, luckily she turned out to look good, so after a brief convo. On the doorstep she kinda made her way in, she got to talking about this and that and then mentioned that she wants to check my dick, I asked why? Then cited some BS reasons like I have not had a child, and I don't want my pussy to get loose etc bla bla, she wasn't exactly a spinner so I didn't care if she decided to leave, while talking she suddenly pulled my pants down and did actually check size of johnny by giving it some analyzing looks it almost felt like she is acting like a customer LOL. Then she said she won't be able to do it with me, so she called 2 more girls, I chose a slim one out of them, decided figures of the deal. They asked and took all money in advance (I usually always strongly believe in paying after the deed, but since this was something new, I just went with it).

The girl they left behind was ok, wasn't engaging in conversation or entertainment I was watching, I asked if she wanted to watch something on youtube answer was anything I want, plan was to have couple of beers and go for a bang after that, but while we were sipping beers I went in for long DFKs and she obliged obediently. She was a little passive so needed a nudge every now and then. Deed was done after some time, but time was agreed for a longer period. Post deed also her engagement in dialogue and other companion aspects was minimum, I was getting bored so asked her to leave an hour earlier, she asked for tip while leaving I gave her none as the sex was alright but everything else was meh. I had already paid 1 juta for 4 hours and she was leaving in 3 so I said no tips for you today and this is how my first michat encounter went.

This was my last day in Jakarta, had a flight next morning so didn't want to linger around at Classic and KI closing timings, wanted a quick 2-3 hours action in the hotel room and wanted it to be over by 1 am so I could get some rest.

Given previous not so bad of an experience I decided to give Michat another try expecting some unearthed gem to drop by, but this time it just turned out to be waste of time and money. I talked to many girls and had deal confirmation with 3 girls and of all those, here is a short summary of what happened with each of them.

1. All things were ok till I gave her hotel name, confirmed pics etc, and when it came to travelling, she asked me to transfer money. I am a seasoned monger and know never to pay girl in advance like this before you meet or see her, so I said you come to hotel, I will pay the cab fare once you arrive. This triggered something obnoxious in her and started talking about me being liar and other bla bla stuff, they saying she will report me to authorities for cancelling deal and all, I laughed hard and then blocked her Whatsapp. Howeer 1 hour was wasted in this to and fro.

2. Girl 2: Excellant pics (next door homely beautiful looking girl type pics), and then what arrived was a chubby unattractive girl, I told her that we had agreed if you don't match the pics I will send you back, she asked to talk in the room, and then started debating that she is the same girl I talked to bla bla. Then mentioning I will need to report this to papa and so on, I gave her a 100 k for the taxi, she started asking for 200, I said no this is all you get, and got her out of the room somehow. Then I got a message from the same number after some time that 'Why did you reject my girl', I told that she does not match her pics at all, he offered me to send other girls but by that time I had lost interest. This was another hour wasted.

3. Another girl again slim in pics claiming to be 24 agreed to come. I had already ordered food and drinks for the girl to arrive but my plan was being derailed by these annoyances. Long story short, I asked this one to meet in the lobby, she wore a mask, met me near elevator got in, I asked her to take down the mask. 24 my ass it was more like 54. Once the lift reached my floor I said again you don't match the pics and I want to cancel this right now. She was more polite than the earlier girl and said give me taxi money and I go, I said ok and asked how much, she quoted 500 k, I gave her a 100 k again and said this is it, take it or leave it.

After above debacles I wanted the night to go right so remembered the hot club 36 hot girls who came with a very high price tag, but I had money left which I had planned to spend anyways so said what the hell and thought I will add the karaoke experience to my list also, but what was quoted to be 2. 9 juta for experience with 1 girl and 1 bottle of whiskey actually came to a sum total of 4 m after taxes and all the other charges, good thing I got this calculation done at the reception only and decided not to engage. Hopes for the night were fluttering away while the ordered food in room was getting cold.

I tried getting hold of my Classic and KI contacts but they were already on their shifts, so that was a dead end too, it was already 11 pm, I was coming out disappointed from club 36, while I heard a whooshing (don't know what is the correct word for some calling you with sounds), it was the doorman of club 36, I usually just smile and say Hi / bye from a distance to this kind of communication but since I was running out of options I engaged in a small talk, after some small talk the keyword came into play 'do you want ladies', I said ok, show me what you got. He showed me 3-4 options on his phone and those photos look over beautified, but as the clock was ticking I said ok, send them over. He took my hotel name etc and after about half an hour 2 girls showed up, my first preference turned out to be chubby and wasn't wearing any makeup, other girl was slim and wearing too much make up for my taste but chose her anyways. By that time I thought I will just use the company and skip the sex, however after a bottle of beer she started getting her wares out (the listerine, tissues, lube etc), she asked me to join shower but I said later, signalling that I may not have any sex, I was just enjoying beer and playlist of some Rihanna and other seductive songs. She went in the bathroom by herself anyways, got showered and came back by wearing just the white towel. Although I was not too attracted to her I was a little intrigued by the sight and asked her to sit on the arm rest of my couch type chair while another thought playing in my head was whether she was rushing to the finish line to get out faster. That is when I wanted to kiss her, but she started massaging my arms instead, she was good at it and told me she worked somewhere as a massage therapist also. She spent a good 15-20 minutes on my arms and legs while I was seated. I think she took it as a challenge that I wasn't too interested in her and started building her moves slowly and steadily by comforting with me with a good massage first.

After this she came back to her original position on arm rest of my chair, I hinted her to kiss me, but she instead went for ear play, although I don't express an explicit interest in this activity (don't ever ask girls to do this of my own volition) I have met a handful of girls who use this as a seduction technique and I won't be lying when I say that it turns out to be a huge turn on for me and only a seasoned champ can do this right, I remember another recent memory of this was a young massage parlour hottie in Prague (she was from Ukraine). This event got me buzzing and after this I pulled her in for long and hard DFK, while her hand was caressing johnny over the soft cotton cloth of my boxers, and mine was exploring the edges of her wrapped around towel, just enough to get the first sexual touch but not eager or rushing to pull it off instantly, we both were getting in the zone/building up to the blockbuster at a slow, steady and sensous pace. Just when I thought that she had played her ace card to pull me in and rest is going to be routine sex, she started kissing my arms followed by my underarms and then on to my feet, legs, calves, thighs, I was loving the discovery and experience of this wild ride and was now fully in the act, she took my hands in her hands got me up from my slumber aka couch, helped me undress and damn what followed can only be described as a total bliss, once undressed we locked into yet another kissing contest and after that she took charge and kissed me from head to toe and everything in between from the front (literally), with a succulent sloppy BBJ and licking of entire genital area, I was already on cloud 9 and while I was still thinking that this girl is wild she turned me around by holding my shoulders, I thought she is trying to get me into some position or hinting me to do something I did not understand, but noooo that is not what she had in mind, she kissed my entire back from neck to my ass till the back of my legs and every crack / crevice in between. I was super turned on and concurred with myself that I have stumbled upon a rare gem. I know in our sexual journey we come across many kinds of girls but in my past 15-20 years of mongering journey I have met very few girls who are wild themselves or have a sexually forward personality, most girls just put up with our actions and either pretend to be happy or are sometimes genuinely happy, but to find a girl who is so forward with a man's body is rare indeed. I am not as handsome as I once was (still do ok for a middle aged guy) and hence a girl appreciating me and my body this much was an overwhelming feeling.

Our actions then moved on to the bed where she gave me a sensational lickaroo BBJ again and my soldier was hard and enthusiastically reporting for duty, we banged in all the obvious positions I ploughed hard and she was more than happy to receive it, while going missionary first I also found my way to her underarms and licked it in reciprocation of her doing it to me earlier, she was clean shaven so it wasn't a problem and man the reaction that I got from that kiss and later lick is undescribable (her whole body vibrated while her mouth produced audible moans and she kept shifting her head from left to right and vice versa frantically), despite having so much fun, I did not want to let one go off in a cheap manner (with just one excited moment or one high pleasured blow), I instead endured and stretched the sensation in various positions (Miss, Doggie, WOT) we fucked for more than half hour and were still going at it. She knew how to work with a man's body, meaning she gave me a blowjob after disconnecting from every position ensuring my peak of enthusiasm doesn't fade and it did not. My mind kept on wondering how far can I take it without it being too much for this gem of a girl, she was enjoying her time in WOT and I was enjoying looking at her sexually enthusiastic body and personality, then my mind went to one of my more coveted kinks I. E. CIM, I took her in my embrace and sucked her tongue dry (our mouths as our bodies were working in unison) while she was still in WOT position, I slowly disconnected from the kiss and whispered the CIM question in her ear, she blinked for a moment of thought and then agreed with a smile, gradually after disconnecting from WOT position, she took off the condom in a professional manner (with tissues and all that), and thereafter put the lollypop in her mouth, licking it all over like it is the tastiest thing in the world, after some time she drooled on it from by taking her mouth slightly above the tool, so I could see her release the drool on my tool, man what a sight, I was loving every moment of everything. Perfect sucking technique as well, where I could feel all the walls / boundaries of her mouth just in the right amount to keep me pushing further after 10 odd minutes of being in a heavenly BJ, I warned her that my plane was about to land, she nodded her head giving her consent while increasing the the pace and vigor of sucking leading to me exploding in her mouth, she didn't let a drop spill out despite me being on my back while I climaxed. I wished she would have swallowed the load but I think she kept it in her mouth and went to the bathroom but that was a night for my history books.

We showered together and once again I enjoyed her pampering me by soaping / washing my whole body from inch to inch, I left the shower first still mesimerized by the whole experience and trying to come to my senses, I settled down and offered her the dinner that I had ordered before along with another beer. I tipped her a very well deserved 200 k tip, rest of the deal was 600 for 2 hours. We exchanged numbers and sweet goodbye kisses as she left.

The morale of the story seems that sometimes we judge too soon as our brains are tuned to reading between the lines which means anticipating or forecasting the whole story rather than living it, despite saying this going forward also I might reject a girl based on appearance alone, but life has a way of throwing us pleasant surprises every now and then, realize them, respect and live it to the max, I will also call this a lucky break and leave it at that (will try to contact the same girl again when I visit next time and try to spend more time with her)

Pardon moi for this long post but I enjoy writing my experiences in detail as I relive them again while my hands do the typing and mind tries to remember every detail, and this was certainly one for the books for me.

Final day in Jakarta concluded in a musical symphony of sex.

Cheers and peace out, until next time or Sampai jumpa lagi!!

[QUOTE=ArnoldNe;3051285]Then mentioning I will need to report this to papa and so on, I gave her a 100 k for the taxi, she started asking for 200, I said no this is all you get, and got her out of the room somehow.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ArnoldNe;3051285]She was more polite than the earlier girl and said give me taxi money and I go, I said ok and asked how much, she quoted 500 k, I gave her a 100 k again and said this is it, take it or leave it.[/QUOTE]A trip using Grab bike is usually under 15 K.

You probably know it, so why are you give that much to these scammers?

[QUOTE=ArnoldNe;3051285]
2. Girl 2: Excellant pics (next door homely beautiful looking girl type pics), and then what arrived was a chubby unattractive girl, I told her that we had agreed if you don't match the pics I will send you back, she asked to talk in the room, and then started debating that she is the same girl I talked to bla bla. Then mentioning I will need to report this to papa and so on, I gave her a 100 k for the taxi, she started asking for 200, I said no this is all you get, and got her out of the room somehow. [/QUOTE]

Ah, bad luck, that. I guess a fat unattractive girl can indeed metamorphose into a beautiful slim girl once in the room, though I have never seen it with my own eyes. No doubt, this was what both you and this young larva was hoping for, and perhaps you were both equally surprised it did not happen this time.

Once I did have a pair of michat scammers kind of persisting on entering the elevator with me, after I told them I was expecting somebody looking completely different, before turning around and walking back inside the elevator, which barely had had time to close its door after dropping me of at the lobby floor. I could only roll my eyes at them in the elevator before immediately stepping out. I noticed them hesitating for a few seconds before stepping out, after which I stepped back inside the elevator. I was curious if they would step back inside the elevator with me again, but they seemed to realize this particular battle was lost and presumably went searching for a different victim, rather than continuing playing this particular elevator game with me.

This was during my initial trials with michat BTW, before I took the advice of brother GG here - MiChat expert supremo - and overcame my shyness related to video calls: an absolute must with michat unfortunately, and after a few calls, is no longer uncomfortable.

Let it also be said: giving any type of "taxi-money" for cases like this should be avoided like the plague. It can only increase the number of scammers, making the few honest michat girls that are looking to make a buck even harder to find.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3051446]Ah, bad luck, that. I guess a fat unattractive girl can indeed metamorphose into a beautiful slim girl once in the room, though I have never seen it with my own eyes. No doubt, this was what both you and this young larva was hoping for, and perhaps you were both equally surprised it did not happen this time.

Let it also be said: giving any type of "taxi-money" for cases like this should be avoided like the plague. It can only increase the number of scammers, making the few honest michat girls that are looking to make a buck even harder to find.[/QUOTE]@ Werqweq @ Paolo.

I guess there is a learning curve here as with any new experiment, but I will be honest both of these girls aka scammers were pushy keeping me waiting while they called someone (second one not so much I guess but it still doesnt feel comfortable to negotiate with a hooker for nothing in return in a common hotel space) I usually prefer these things to get done quietly as would anyone else I guess, so I was a little worried of causing an unnecessary debate / argument / scene leading to unwanted attention from other guests and hotel staff in my direction, so I just wanted to get them off my case and be done with it, I guess that is what led to paying a 100 k each for nothing but wasting my time. Lesson learnt with no regrets though, I am doing something new in every visit and that keeps things interesting for me.

Rest assured I will not be using this option in the future, my best experiences were with the honest Classic and KI girls who were an absolute smooth sail. I already knew how our chemistry in the bed was and sometimes they can bring a friend for a reasonable price also as my KI girl did and her friend was also a genuine worker (contributed well to a good time shared together despite not speaking a single word of english), rest seems like a waste of time / fending off scams (which I may learn to deal with better than this time but it still ruins the time and mood for that instance).

[QUOTE=ArnoldNe;3051450]@ Werqweq @ Paolo.

I guess there is a learning curve here as with any new experiment, but I will be honest both of these girls aka scammers were pushy keeping me waiting while they called someone (second one not so much I guess but it still doesnt feel comfortable to negotiate with a hooker for nothing in return in a common hotel space) I usually prefer these things to get done quietly as would anyone else I guess, so I was a little worried of causing an unnecessary debate / argument / scene leading to unwanted attention from other guests and hotel staff in my direction, so I just wanted to get them off my case and be done with it, I guess that is what led to paying a 100 k each for nothing but wasting my time. Lesson learnt with no regrets though, I am doing something new in every visit and that keeps things interesting for me.

Rest assured I will not be using this option in the future, my best experiences were with the honest Classic and KI girls who were an absolute smooth sail. I already knew how our chemistry in the bed was and sometimes they can bring a friend for a reasonable price also as my KI girl did and her friend was also a genuine worker (contributed well to a good time shared together despite not speaking a single word of english), rest seems like a waste of time / fending off scams (which I may learn to deal with better than this time but it still ruins the time and mood for that instance).[/QUOTE]I hear you. I was a bit stubborn about michat, due to one particular poster here raving about it, while most said it was crap. It was indeed crap, but after 10-15 bookings (maybe I'm a slow learner?) I kind of started to get the hang of it, and reduced time wasted.

I never bothered entering into any debate with these scammers. The longest conversation I had downstairs in the lobby was during one of my initial bookings, where I took the effort of showing the woman downstairs the photo of who I was expecting (she looked as surprised as I). If there is anything to discuss (can't at the top of my head think what that could be), I'd suggest sitting down with them in the lobby, as it normally attracts less attention than standing there.

Happened to me once or twice where some masked creature turned up in thailand, trying to quickly walk past me to the elevator before I could get a good look at them. I just sat down, waiting for them to come back, and indicated for them to sit down opposite of me. After they remove their mask and I see it's a ladyboy or Gollum's less attractive sister, I just tell them goodbye and walk away, sometimes to the squeaky sounds of "I'm real girl" somewhere behind me.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3051471]I hear you. I was a bit stubborn about michat, due to one particular poster here raving about it, while most said it was crap. It was indeed crap, but after 10-15 bookings (maybe I'm a slow learner?) I kind of started to get the hang of it, and reduced time wasted.[/QUOTE]Wise words and I can see some crucial learnings from your experiences. I am old school and still prefer the face to face approach of choosing a girl etc. But I can see the tide turning and more and more people opting for app or online based approaches, while most of the providers in this new space are trying to dupe you into paying high prices for getting much less than what you bargained for or worse. It is important to have a few safeguards of our own to avoid being conned.

In both of my cases the girls deleted the photo after few minutes of sending it, so there was no point of reference when they showed up.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3051428]A trip using Grab bike is usually under 15 K.

You probably know it, so why are you give that much to these scammers?[/QUOTE]I couldn't agree more. And most of the time they are just brought there by their pimp so there is no transport fee at all. If a girl is not like in the picture you kick her out and give her no money period.

None of these Michat girls takes a taxi. Giving them 100 k to leave is a sign of complete weakness.

She does this a few times a day she doesn't even need to have sex.

It s the weakness of guys who drive the prices up and change girls attitude not the inflation.

As for FLs giving 50% commission to mamasans is also ridiculous. 50 k is the normal rate not 200.

And guys who pay 400 k for pics or vids are complete losers. The girls agree or not no need to pay extra for it.

Jakarta is going downhill every day thanks to complete morons.

[QUOTE=ArnoldNe;3051534]Wise words and I can see some crucial learnings from your experiences. I am old school and still prefer the face to face approach of choosing a girl etc. But I can see the tide turning and more and more people opting for app or online based approaches, while most of the providers in this new space are trying to dupe you into paying high prices for getting much less than what you bargained for or worse. It is important to have a few safeguards of our own to avoid being conned.

In both of my cases the girls deleted the photo after few minutes of sending it, so there was no point of reference when they showed up.[/QUOTE]I agree 100% with you. We should learn from all the benefits we get from most of the venues we visit in Thailand and Phillipines where we usually not only get to see and meet the girls in advance of committing to any session but also to interview them as well to see if they are a good fit. Relying on online photos is just to easy for bait and switch. If I was going to do only online routes, I might as well stay in Canada to monger where it's impossible to meet any girls in advance of a booking. Don't take the advantages we get in southeast Asia with the ability to see the girls in person first for granted.

In every geography there is a great way to meet and fuck girls. But they are different. Some are strip club format. Some are fishbowl. Some are one after the other cheek kiss and select. All countries have their own way.

My rule is to focus on what that country offers. And don't go do other stuff. Like Brazil offers nightclubs with fuck on site. Or massage daytime fuck on site. Pick one and do it. Don't do online escorts and stuff. Brasil is best for the nightclubs. Stick to that. London on the other hand the clubs bite. And the escort agency scene is spectacular. In London do the escort agencies.

And that brings me to Jakarta. My very strong advice having been is don't oppose the flow. The flow and best venues are Classic and similar clubs. Stick to what Jakarta for what is best at. Rather than online ordering and michat and bait and switch. Do Jakarta for what Jakarta does best. Like classic.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3051656]In every geography there is a great way to meet and fuck girls. But they are different. Some are strip club format. Some are fishbowl. Some are one after the other cheek kiss and select. All countries have their own way.

My rule is to focus on what that country offers. And don't go do other stuff. Like Brazil offers nightclubs with fuck on site. Or massage daytime fuck on site. Pick one and do it. Don't do online escorts and stuff. Brasil is best for the nightclubs. Stick to that. London on the other hand the clubs bite. And the escort agency scene is spectacular. In London do the escort agencies.

And that brings me to Jakarta. My very strong advice having been is don't oppose the flow. The flow and best venues are Classic and similar clubs. Stick to what Jakarta for what is best at. Rather than online ordering and michat and bait and switch. Do Jakarta for what Jakarta does best. Like classic.[/QUOTE]Every place has its own unique best offering and it is usually best to stick with it, yeah we hear you bro and its probably for the best.

[QUOTE=Muzungufotsy;3051546]...

Giving them 100 k to leave is a sign of complete weakness.
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Jakarta is going downhill every day thanks to complete morons.[/QUOTE]I've been catfished in Jakarta and Guadalajara. I'm in a foreign country. The pimp knows what hotel I am staying at. I don't know who is the pimp. Is he involved with a criminal organization. In Guadalajara, there's a good chance he is a narco. Give the girl "go away" money so you can live another day.

But you do whatever you prefer to do.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3051671]I've been catfished in Jakarta and Guadalajara. I'm in a foreign country. The pimp knows what hotel I am staying at. I don't know who is the pimp. Is he involved with a criminal organization. In Guadalajara, there's a good chance he is a narco. Give the girl "go away" money so you can live another day.

But you do whatever you prefer to do.[/QUOTE]So if you are that scared why call any girl to your room at all? Indonesia is not Mexico or Colombia or the US. "Pimp" and "Mamasans" are not the same. Giving 100 K to bait and switch is what keeps these crooks in business. I guarantee you no local dude will pay for that. But you can do what you want of course. Anyway, I am amazed that people go all the way across the world to a place where you can walk into a Brothel and choose from hundreds of girls and still choose to deal with this shit. And yet it exists.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3051671]I've been catfished in Jakarta and Guadalajara. I'm in a foreign country. The pimp knows what hotel I am staying at. I don't know who is the pimp. Is he involved with a criminal organization. In Guadalajara, there's a good chance he is a narco. Give the girl "go away" money so you can live another day.

But you do whatever you prefer to do.[/QUOTE]Don't compare Indonesia to Mexico this is complete non sense.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;3051712] Giving 100 K to bait and switch is what keeps these crooks in business. I guarantee you no local dude will pay for that. [/QUOTE]100% right.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3051671]I've been catfished in Jakarta and Guadalajara. I'm in a foreign country. The pimp knows what hotel I am staying at. I don't know who is the pimp. Is he involved with a criminal organization. In Guadalajara, there's a good chance he is a narco. Give the girl "go away" money so you can live another day.

But you do whatever you prefer to do.[/QUOTE]100% agree, not sure what others are ranting about.

If you went through all my posts you will know that it was my first time dealing with MiChat channel, it is not like there is a written script of what to do and how much to pay in a situation like that, so I used what I felt right in the moment of truth aka an uncomfortable situation in this case, and reading your comments now has made me realize that the situation could have been handled better, sometimes you learn from other's mistakes and sometimes your own, first is being prepared and second is experience. Lesson learnt and I will be better prepared next time should I choose to engage in another experimental channel.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;3051712] Anyway, I am amazed that people go all the way across the world to a place where you can walk into a Brothel and choose from hundreds of girls and still choose to deal with this shit. And yet it exists.[/QUOTE]I am not a big fan of the generation wars. And this post isn't meant to start one. But to help explain this. It has to be generational. A certain age group is so use to everything being online. That is what they know and are comfortable with, even given the risks. Those of us whose life experience spans both the online and physical worlds are perhaps in a better position to assess value/effort/time/money of all available options and make the best overall decision. I imagine those of us whose experience has mostly been in an online world tend to gravitate towards that option. If I had to guess, I would say the OP that started this discussion is almost certainly under 40 and quite possibly under 35.

[QUOTE=ArnoldNe;3051793]100% agree, not sure what others are ranting about.

If you went through all my posts you will know that it was my first time dealing with MiChat channel, it is not like there is a written script of what to do and how much to pay in a situation like that, so I used what I felt right in the moment of truth aka an uncomfortable situation in this case, and reading your comments now has made me realize that the situation could have been handled better, sometimes you learn from other's mistakes and sometimes your own, first is being prepared and second is experience. Lesson learnt and I will be better prepared next time should I choose to engage in another experimental channel.[/QUOTE]I was not replying to you.

[QUOTE=Muzungufotsy;3051718]Don't compare Indonesia to Mexico this is complete non sense.[/QUOTE]Experience in various cultures is highly valuable.

Solid wisdom.

When in unfamiliar environment, trying to gain extra values above the norm will usually set yourself up for scams.

TGTBT deals usually require extra time and effort above mainstream practices and may bring security risks.

In Brazil hit the termas, Germany do the FKK, in Vienna try the globe, London try the escorts, tons of them and good. In Thailand swipe right or visit the bars, Singapore hit the Geylang or Hyatt bar, in Malaysia fly your babes to you, in Jakarta hit classic or emporium.

Every city is different for mongering and that makes it unique, if you wannna do online only why fly the miles and take the trouble. LOL.

Just my 2 cents.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3051656]In every geography there is a great way to meet and fuck girls. But they are different. Some are strip club format. Some are fishbowl. Some are one after the other cheek kiss and select. All countries have their own way.

My rule is to focus on what that country offers. And don't go do other stuff. Like Brazil offers nightclubs with fuck on site. Or massage daytime fuck on site. Pick one and do it. Don't do online escorts and stuff. Brasil is best for the nightclubs. Stick to that. London on the other hand the clubs bite. And the escort agency scene is spectacular. In London do the escort agencies.

And that brings me to Jakarta. My very strong advice having been is don't oppose the flow. The flow and best venues are Classic and similar clubs. Stick to what Jakarta for what is best at. Rather than online ordering and michat and bait and switch. Do Jakarta for what Jakarta does best. Like classic.[/QUOTE]

People like Mr Arnold don't ruin Jakarta. He is on the same learning curve that any genuine player must go on. The stand out feature of Mr Arnold is he is prepared to be vulnerable and admit those mistakes. Now I can bet that same vulnerability will endear him to the girls. Players like that are always welcome in the rat holes of Jakarta. OS has spent long enough lying around in them, chatting to the girls. To know what kind of customer they prefer. Mr Arnold is simply sharing his experience and it wasn't a cue for all that lurk around this forum to jump on him. Obviously they all became Jakarta experts without making any mistakes at all.

What does ruin Jakarta is all the Misogynistic he Man types who pop up here on a regular basis. "Kasar, Jahat, Pelit, Keras" All those words put the girls off Bules big time. OS calls them souffles for they rise up here, wreak havoc and then disappear never to be heard from again.

If there's one key message in al this, It's to stay away from Michat, your chances of a successful liaison are maybe one in ten. OS knows for he has been ripped off on Michat too many times. And has never ever found even one single diamond amongst the squalor. The deal will never be what you agreed on and especially if you go to the girls kos or hotel it can get tense getting out. Not for the faint hearted. But it's all experience.

The one place Michat can work is in rural Indonesia, lots of Janda's but even there your success rate might only get to 50% and be prepared to travel to some interesting locations.

For all others, the advice to do what Jakarta does well is the best advice you will hear here.

[QUOTE=ArnoldNe;3051534]Wise words and I can see some crucial learnings from your experiences. I am old school and still prefer the face to face approach of choosing a girl etc. But I can see the tide turning and more and more people opting for app or online based approaches, while most of the providers in this new space are trying to dupe you into paying high prices for getting much less than what you bargained for or worse. It is important to have a few safeguards of our own to avoid being conned.[/QUOTE]At least you dared to venture away from the well trodden meat markets and try something new (for you). Appreciate it takes significant effort to produce long form reports from a multi-day from various venues. Great reports and contributions.

Your experience with MiChat and Lokasari might not have been the best, but you would have been well served if you had read back in the forum. Werqweq had made a few reports showing how to avoid MiChat pitfalls and optimize pre-meet interaction for better results. And there are several reports how to get more out of Lokasari. Some things that might be taken as bugs are actually features IMHO. Keep exploring as there is so much more to Jakarta than going with the flow. Enjoy. AR.

Appreciate your comments and feedback.

I really tried to make the most of my trip by keeping focus on the well known offerings of Jakarta as a first priority and also broadening my experience with the experimental channels which was 1 or 2 days of my trip at most (so approx. 10-20%). Jakarta suits my style of mongering (despite me not being a bareback guy) and I have been happy to be here for both of my visits so far.

As a closing line I can say this with conviction that I loved the girls here and they loved me just as much and made me feel like a king for the short time that I was here (most important feeling of a mongering experience for me), so naturally I had the best mongering trip I have had till date where I got best of both worlds i.e. The long term time spent with the girls and the short times ofc.

Just to add, I had a fulfilling tour on non-mongering aspects as well like playing golf (with my holiday GF, and she also loved the scenary of a golf course, along with a going for a few shots which I encouraged her to take), playing bowling, pool with a long term girl by your side. I love to spend as much time as possible with a girl with the sexual and the non-sexual aspects but no place in the world will allow you to do it at the length that Jakarta does without breaking your wallet to smithereens, and to that end I thank both Jakarta and everyone here (for the knowledge, support and confidence that this forum provides to break new grounds)

Jakarta will be my first choice of mongering for a long time unless something changes significanttly.

Respect, Love and Peace to all!!

Yours Truly AN.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3045589]As a monger, I consider myself as "in competition" with everyone else. I play the game with little regard to the other players on the field and get what I can. IMHO it is helpful to appreciate that others playing the game are just looking to score same as we are.

From my observation, Whitey Westerners were never more than a rounding error in the Jakarta scene. Yes, there WAS Blok M and a few 5-star hotel bars, but that was an exception to the rule. So now with even more diversity crowding into the surviving North Jakarta scene, Westerners are even more of a rounding error. There is more and more to come as I see dozens of YouTube channels from these "competitors" carnival barking about cheapo USD22 (JPY3400) fucks that can be upgraded with a tip to BBFS (or NN, Nama Nakadashi in Japanese). [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WrbbJzXO8s[/URL]. Enjoy, AR.[/QUOTE]Imagine if you will, a scene where we the customers work as a unified group (or at least try to).

And try to advocate for the best interests of the group as a whole,(or at least try to).

When we see each other as competitors that benefits the providers more than anyone.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;3047571]I'm sure some if not most of the chicks be muslims since this is Indonesia. Anybody tried asking them to wear a hijab while you pound them? That's the last thing on my bucket list. If I can bang me a real life muslim babe while she's wearing the hijab and nothing else, I'm all set. Mephistopheles can have my soul after that. But right now, that's my mission in life. An old man's got to have dreams.[/QUOTE]I was at my hotel desk one day and 2 girls we sitting there, I asked one for her Whatsapp number in case I needed anything because my room didn't have a phone.

She was unattractive (normal clothes), the other one was smoking hot around 20 yo pale white skin and a baby blue hijab and really nice clothes, once in the room I send a whatsapp.

And say can you ask your co-worker if she would like to have dinner with me sometime, give her my whatsapp number if she's interested, a few minutes later.

She sends me a message, I'm usually very forward but I'm being very reserved, well within a couple minutes she was asking me how much I would pay her to come to my room after her shift.

I didn't want to give a price, so she says 2 million, I say WTF, why so much she says I need to get my hair and nails done, I say why do your hair you wear a hijab.

She said she only wore it for work.

Guys have lots of kinky fetishes, I too am guilty as charged, but a scarf? You can do much better bro.

Yes after a round of fun its nice to go out drinking playing pool or simply unwind on a rooftop bar, the views can be breathtaking. Come back then and get another round of smashing sex. Yes girls are very open minded liberal and above all horny with a big appetite to fill.

[QUOTE=ArnoldNe;3052167]I love to spend as much time as possible with a girl with the sexual and the non-sexual aspects but no place in the world will allow you to do it at the length that Jakarta does without breaking your wallet to smithereens, and to that end I thank both Jakarta and everyone here [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FFlintstone69;3052218]I was at my hotel desk one day and 2 girls we sitting there, I asked one for her Whatsapp number in case I needed anything because my room didn't have a phone.

She was unattractive (normal clothes), the other one was smoking hot around 20 yo pale white skin and a baby blue hijab and really nice clothes, once in the room I send a whatsapp.

And say can you ask your co-worker if she would like to have dinner with me sometime, give her my whatsapp number if she's interested, a few minutes later.

She sends me a message, I'm usually very forward but I'm being very reserved, well within a couple minutes she was asking me how much I would pay her to come to my room after her shift.

I didn't want to give a price, so she says 2 million, I say WTF, why so much she says I need to get my hair and nails done, I say why do your hair you wear a hijab..[/QUOTE]This is fantastic and opens up new possibilities. There are 3 girls at a popular hotel that I'd like to bang. I will execute your protocol!

I am curious, are you an older gent?

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3052307]This is fantastic and opens up new possibilities. There are 3 girls at a popular hotel that I'd like to bang. I will execute your protocol!

I am curious, are you an older gent?[/QUOTE]Many manoeuvres are performed by professional drivers on a closed track.

[QUOTE=FFlintstone69;3052357]Many manoeuvres are performed by professional drivers on a closed track.[/QUOTE]Outstanding response!

[QUOTE=Safado70;3032808]Get HIV PEP. There are clinics in Jakarta.[/QUOTE]Hey bro, could you suggest some clinics and the approx costs if you know, angsamerah is one it seems but I needed some urgent pointers as I am losing time.

Angsemrah folks are unreachable on phone so that I would ask here.

Guys I am in an emergency, I need to either get PEP in Jakarta today or fly to BKK to get it. Could you suggest if you have any first / second hand experiences.

[QUOTE=HolaaaaHiiii;3052510]Hey bro, could you suggest some clinics and the approx costs if you know, angsamerah is one it seems but I needed some urgent pointers as I am losing time.

Angsemrah folks are unreachable on phone so that I would ask here.

Guys I am in an emergency, I need to either get PEP in Jakarta today or fly to BKK to get it. Could you suggest if you have any first / second hand experiences.[/QUOTE]I'the recommend calming down. If a girl actually has HIV the chances of catching it from vaginal sex are 4 in 10000. And she has to have it. So say 1 in 100 have it. Then you multiply. And chances are 4 in one million. Way more chance of getting hit by lightning.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3052511]I'the recommend calming down. If a girl actually has HIV the chances of catching it from vaginal sex are 4 in 10000. And she has to have it. So say 1 in 100 have it. Then you multiply. And chances are 4 in one million. Way more chance of getting hit by lightning.[/QUOTE]Steve, why is it that every time somebody mentions that he wants to protect himself and the girls he's with, you come up with this misleading numbers? Why don't you just stay out of the conversation? Do you have any particular interest in spreading this disease? Is there any disadvantage for you personally if people try to protect themselves?
Could we please discuss this subject here calmly, without being attacked by you every time?

[QUOTE=HolaaaaHiiii;3052510]Hey bro, could you suggest some clinics and the approx costs if you know, angsamerah is one it seems but I needed some urgent pointers as I am losing time.

Angsemrah folks are unreachable on phone so that I would ask here.

Guys I am in an emergency, I need to either get PEP in Jakarta today or fly to BKK to get it. Could you suggest if you have any first / second hand experiences.[/QUOTE]About angsa merah, have you called directly or using WhatsApp? I think that sometimes ‎WhatsApp works better than a regular call.

Alternatives I heard about are.

1. Globalindo clinic.

2. +6283198728727 this is the contact of "Test HIV IMS Jakarta", which is actually a free clinic for poor Indonesians. But the guy answering the phone is apparently selling prep medication's for foreigners on the side, too. In any case, make sure to make an HIV test before you start taking this medication. It's really important.

Have fun and be safe!

[QUOTE=Safado70;3052526]Steve, why is it that every time somebody mentions that he wants to protect himself and the girls he's with, you come up with this misleading numbers? Why don't you just stay out of the conversation? Do you have any particular interest in spreading this disease? Is there any disadvantage for you personally if people try to protect themselves?
Could we please discuss this subject here calmly, without being attacked by you every time?[/QUOTE]The reason I responded is because he seemed pretty concerned and worked up about it and there is really no need. So I was trying to be helpful to his mental state. He can decide for himself whether the information is helpful or not. I don't know why you beleive they are misleading numbers as I think they are factually supported.

But again just trying to be helpful. Will bow out at this point as yes I have no vested interest other than to help other board members as is the point of the site.

To be fair I was guessing at 1 in 100 having HIV. Prob 1 in 10 is closer and that is surprising! So 4 in 100,000 not 4 in 1M. Still pretty darn good odds!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3052511]I'the recommend calming down. If a girl actually has HIV the chances of catching it from vaginal sex are 4 in 10000. And she has to have it. So say 1 in 100 have it. Then you multiply. And chances are 4 in one million. Way more chance of getting hit by lightning.[/QUOTE]LOL. The odds are like winning powerball. Anyway I'm not going to turn down BBFS regardless.

[QUOTE=HolaaaaHiiii;3052510]Hey bro, could you suggest some clinics and the approx costs if you know, angsamerah is one it seems but I needed some urgent pointers as I am losing time.

Angsemrah folks are unreachable on phone so that I would ask here.

Guys I am in an emergency, I need to either get PEP in Jakarta today or fly to BKK to get it. Could you suggest if you have any first / second hand experiences.[/QUOTE]Did you try the pharmacies within pasar baru? That's a 5 minutes' walk from Classic. You take the overpass to the other end of the road and enter the run-down shopping mall. I had success there sourcing antibiotics (Cefixime) that pharmacies like Boots and Guardian in modern shopping malls wouldn't sell me.

I think its good if a monger takes his health seriously and advocates safety on the forum. Some people have a lot to lose than others. No need to vilify such a being, bravo HolaaaaHiiii and Safado. Nothing wrong in being cautious.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3052526]Steve, why is it that every time somebody mentions that he wants to protect himself and the girls he's with, you come up with this misleading numbers? Why don't you just stay out of the conversation? Do you have any particular interest in spreading this disease? Is there any disadvantage for you personally if people try to protect themselves?
Could we please discuss this subject here calmly, without being attacked by you every time?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SuperLove;3052590]I think its good if a monger takes his health seriously and advocates safety on the forum. Some people have a lot to lose than others. No need to vilify such a being, bravo HolaaaaHiiii and Safado. Nothing wrong in being cautious.[/QUOTE]OS is an advocate of mortality management strategies and laments the impending doom of Mr Holahihi. So sad!

OS has implemented a number of strategies into his daily lifestyle which further minimise the risk of early departure from this world. They have been so successful that he has been able to trade off these gains for an ejaculation enjoyment maximation strategy that has been the source of countless blissful creampies.

OS will now share these valuable strategies for the enduring benefit of his fellow mongers.

When crossing the road, Look left, look right and then look left again.

Don't leave chicken on the bench.

Don't fart on aeroplanes.

Wear sensible shoes.

Always put the toilet seat down when finished.

Always move up in the airport terminal bus.

This list is not exhaustive, OS is happy to share further life maximisation strategies by PM for those who wish to benefit from his exclusive life knowledge. All except Mr HihiHolagoodbye who may not be amongst us much longer and shouldn't bother.

[QUOTE=XXL;3052578]Did you try the pharmacies within pasar baru? That's a 5 minutes' walk from Classic. You take the overpass to the other end of the road and enter the run-down shopping mall. I had success there sourcing antibiotics (Cefixime) that pharmacies like Boots and Guardian in modern shopping malls wouldn't sell me.[/QUOTE]I believe its the Metro Atom Plaza.

Aha, don't forget to wear your sunglasses in the sun. And keep rolling!

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;3052692]OS is an advocate of mortality management strategies and laments the impending doom of Mr Holahihi. So sad!

OS has implemented a number of strategies into his daily lifestyle which further minimise the risk of early departure from this world. They have been so successful that he has been able to trade off these gains for an ejaculation enjoyment maximation strategy that has been the source of countless blissful creampies.

OS will now share these valuable strategies for the enduring benefit of his fellow mongers.

When crossing the road, Look left, look right and then look left again.

Don't leave chicken on the bench.

Don't fart on aeroplanes.

Wear sensible shoes..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Safado70;3052527]About angsa merah, have you called directly or using WhatsApp? I think that sometimes ‎WhatsApp works better than a regular call.

Alternatives I heard about are.

1. Globalindo clinic.

2. +6283198728727 this is the contact of "Test HIV IMS Jakarta", which is actually a free clinic for poor Indonesians. But the guy answering the phone is apparently selling prep medication's for foreigners on the side, too. In any case, make sure to make an HIV test before you start taking this medication. It's really important.

Have fun and be safe![/QUOTE]Hey mate at Safado70 , thanks for being helpful.

Here's my report on clinics:

Angsamerah clinic people are very good and the process is super simple, it cost me 1. 7 mil net with all the pre-req blood tests, I left a happy client, very friendly people.

"Test HIV IMS Jakarta" clinic review. The guy mentioned in the above post is a bit of an asshole BTW, spoke very rudely and delted all his messages (possibly because he is selling it illegally. I wouldn't buy from him because there are fake copies of these drugs available too).

Drug related information for someone who stumbles upon this in future, there are multiple types of HIV PEPs available.

Option A: Angsamerah gives you an outdated version of PEP (not expired but it's old research) due to Indonesia standards being back dated I guess, they give you TLD (tenofovir disoproxil fumarate +Lamivudine +Dolutegravir in a single tablet), it really makes your body tired.

Option B: Pattaya, Thailand usually gives which is Tenofovir alafenamide + Emtricitabine + Dolutegravir (in a single tablet) , which is lesser taxing on your body. Costs 2 million IDR in Pattaya.

Option C: US / UK now give an even better one Tenofovir alafenamide + Emtricitabine + Bictegravir (in a single tablet), which is even lesser taxing on your body.
This one can be found in Bangkok's Thai Red Cross Clinic (costs 1 million IDR) as well and also DVX Medical Clinic, Jakarta (costs 5. 5 million IDR)
But I still wouldn't buy this option in Jakarta because the guy(from "Test HIV IMS Jakarta") in the above post says Indonesia doesn't allow this combination and claims the product being sold be DVX is counterfeit

TLDR. Only go to Angsamerah (option A of the drug) if you are in Jakarta even if you are getting a worse version of the drug, because the risk of getting counterfeit Option A/B/C is there in Jakarta

If you are enroute to Thailand, switch to Option see or be whenever you can.

I have done 3 courses of 1 month PEP in my monger career so I know what I am talking about! PEP in general will make you will weak and give you immense body and muscle pain for the whole month, but just do it anyways, HIV is not worth it. If you can, just do PreP (works like a temp vaccine against hiv and is easy on the body, google for more) so that you don't have to do PEP.

Bonus info:

Take NAC and L Carnitine supplements to avoid the body pain that comes with PEP, yes I have done my individual research on drug interactions (there's a website if you google) and asked my doc as well and there is not interaction between these drugs but I would separate them by at least 12 hours anyways.

I am not attaching any links so that this post stays intact.

[QUOTE=HolaaaaHiiii;3053642]I have done 3 courses of 1 month PEP in my monger career so I know what I am talking about! [b]PEP in general will make you will weak and give you immense body and muscle pain for the whole month[/b], but just do it anyways[/QUOTE]Great report Doctor PEP. Quite a few here were fretting you would be HolaaaByeee by now. That's quite a self-inflicted penalty to pay for your naughty rawdogging. Didn't learn from the first 2 courses, eh? Or maybe just a glutton for punishment. Better have gotten a [B]super nice creampie[/B] for that pain and suffering.

If I ran to Angsamerah for PEP every time I deposited a load directly into a sweet Indonesian snatch (not to mention what I did last night with a Thai girl), I would probably have developed serious kidney and liver damage, which is a greater risk than HIV. OTOH I guess I would be an Angsamerah VVIP Gold Card Member, which must have its privileges. Enjoy, AR.

[QUOTE=HolaaaaHiiii;3053642]
I have done 3 courses of 1 month PEP in my monger career so I know what I am talking about! PEP in general will make you will weak and give you immense body and muscle pain for the whole month, but just do it anyways, HIV is not worth it. If you can, just do PreP (works like a temp vaccine against hiv and is easy on the body, google for more) so that you don't have to do PEP.
.[/QUOTE]Hi HH,

Thanks for the update.

PEP is an emergency medication used after unprotected sex. This is why it has more drugs and a much higher dosage than PreP. It's only natural that it has way more side-effects too. May I ask why you didn't use PreP if you knew about this option? Came your trip as a surprise?

Actually, when you asked about PEP, I thought that was a spelling mistake and you were actually looking for PreP. I'm using PreP because I fuck a lot bareback in Thailand, the Philippines and Indonesia. But I don't think I would start one month of pep treatment because of a single bareback encounter. In this case, I might actually agree with Steve.

Everyone can make their own informed decisions. When I'm looking or choosing which ladies in want to hire I'm in negotiation mode be it in classic hotel or where ever online. There are risks everywhere and ID rather take the BB risks and enjoy my sex than having all this PEP PREP stuff. But each to their own.

[QUOTE=HolaaaaHiiii;3053642]Hey mate at Safado70 , thanks for being helpful.

Here's my report on clinics:

Angsamerah clinic people are very good and the process is super simple, it cost me 1. 7 mil net with all the pre-req blood tests, I left a happy client, very friendly people.

"Test HIV IMS Jakarta" clinic review. The guy mentioned in the above post is a bit of an asshole BTW, spoke very rudely and delted all his messages (possibly because he is selling it illegally. I wouldn't buy from him because there are fake copies of these drugs available too)..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HarryReams;3053716]Everyone can make their own informed decisions.[/QUOTE]What a value adding reply Harry, while I was trying to help the users with some deep research and first hand experiences which even doctors in developing SEA countries wouldn't tell you because believe it or not they are not as great as doctors in UK/US/Singapore etc

I know you don't like to be safe, but you can safely ignore my post if you are not interested in the info, cheers

[QUOTE=Safado70;3053686]Hi HH,

Thanks for the update.

PEP is an emergency medication used after unprotected sex. This is why it has more drugs and a much higher dosage than PreP. It's only natural that it has way more side-effects too. May I ask why you didn't use PreP if you knew about this option? Came your trip as a surprise?

Actually, when you asked about PEP, I thought that was a spelling mistake and you were actually looking for PreP. I'm using PreP because I fuck a lot bareback in Thailand, the Philippines and Indonesia. But I don't think I would start one month of pep treatment because of a single bareback encounter. In this case, I might actually agree with Steve.[/QUOTE]

I do PreP when I want to raw but one fine trip I didn't and one fine day I mistakenly got breast milk into my system because the girl didn't tell me beforehand, could not have known it's going to happen so super unlucky but here we are. I know the risk is low with breast milk but I don't take any risk.

I don't know why you say don't start 30 day PEP because of single bb encounter.. It's the individual's risk taking ability afterall and I have 0 tolerance for being HIV+ , so I am cool doing PEP and from next time never going to miss PreP

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3053660]Great report Doctor PEP. Quite a few here were fretting you would be HolaaaByeee by now. That's quite a self-inflicted penalty to pay for your naughty rawdogging. Didn't learn from the first 2 courses, eh? Or maybe just a glutton for punishment. Better have gotten a [B]super nice creampie[/B] for that pain and suffering.

If I ran to Angsamerah for PEP every time I deposited a load directly into a sweet Indonesian snatch (not to mention what I did last night with a Thai girl), I would probably have developed serious kidney and liver damage, which is a greater risk than HIV. OTOH I guess I would be an Angsamerah VVIP Gold Card Member, which must have its privileges. Enjoy, AR.[/QUOTE]HolayBye that's funny Yeah mate 3 times PEP must be a stupid world record to have but at least I have some research to help the community.. I know this is not the right place, I will post on reddit with my findings and help people there because I know the physical trauma this fucking drug gives you,

Here's my stupid history for being a 3 time world stupid weight champion!

#1 - Never knew what PreP is so got PEP after a condom slippage.

#2 - Was on 15th day of PEP already and had another slippage and the stupid doctor from Pattaya Memorial (he's a GP LOL) asked me to do another PEP, this was just not needed but I did do it for 30 days post incident #2. It's not needed because PEP serves as PreP as well.

#3 - Well I didn't plan any barebacking and neither did I let emotions takeover, some unforeseen breastmilk got into me though, and I don't like any risk (inspite of research saying it's not likely if you don't have any cuts in the mouth etc. I actually had a minor cut due to a blister or something. So not taking chances).

Moral of the story. For individuals like me who have 0 risk appetite, we better always be on PreP.

Anyways end of the discussion regarding PEP / PreP, back to beautiful Indonesian gals.

[QUOTE=HolaaaaHiiii;3053813]…one fine day I mistakenly got breast milk into my system because the girl didn't tell me beforehand, could not have known it's going to happen so super unlucky but here we are…[/QUOTE]We all have our personal kinks. One of mine is sucking a lactating nipple. I presume it was a mistake to drink the girl's milk because she did not inform you.

1) Am I correct in my presumption?

2) How did you mistakenly get the milk into your system? Did you drink and swallow a lot or did you just get a few drops in your mouth?

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3053818]We all have our personal kinks. One of mine is sucking a lactating nipple. I presume it was a mistake to drink the girl's milk because she did not inform you.

1) Am I correct in my presumption?

2) How did you mistakenly get the milk into your system? Did you drink and swallow a lot or did you just get a few drops in your mouth?[/QUOTE]I like tits yes, and was doing my usual thing until a stream of salty liquid went in my throat haha. Then I stopped as soon as it happened. I was reading why it's salty. It's because it's the lactose sugar is no more present as the lady is not actively breastfeeding.

[QUOTE=HolaaaaHiiii;3053814]HolayBye that's funny Yeah mate 3 times PEP must be a stupid world record to have but at least I have some research to help the community.. I know this is not the right place, I will post on reddit with my findings and help people there because I know the physical trauma this fucking drug gives you,

Here's my stupid history for being a 3 time world stupid weight champion!

#1 - Never knew what PreP is so got PEP after a condom slippage.

#2 - Was on 15th day of PEP already and had another slippage and the stupid doctor from Pattaya Memorial (he's a GP LOL) asked me to do another PEP, this was just not needed but I did do it for 30 days post incident #2. It's not needed because PEP serves as PreP as well.

#3 - Well I didn't plan any barebacking and neither did I let emotions takeover, some unforeseen breastmilk got into me though, and I don't like any risk (inspite of research saying it's not likely if you don't have any cuts in the mouth etc. I actually had a minor cut due to a blister or something. So not taking chances)..[/QUOTE]As someone with what you call "0 risk tolerance" have you considered another hobby? Like maybe knitting but with dull needles?

[QUOTE=HolaaaaHiiii;3053814]

Anyways end of the discussion regarding PEP / PreP, back to beautiful Indonesian gals.[/QUOTE]Good point. How about some update about the current Ramadan situation? How good or bad is it? Is somebody in Jakarta at the moment and can give some updated info?

[QUOTE=Safado70;3053878]Good point. How about some update about the current Ramadan situation? How good or bad is it? Is somebody in Jakarta at the moment and can give some updated info?[/QUOTE]In Bali, its sort of business as usual, I do avoid Jakarta as its more strictly enforced during this time with clubs closed. Some have returned back to their villages to celebrate Ramadan. The clubs are noticeable quite in Bali but some action is available when ever the price is right. Speaking of prices they have gone slightly up as fewer are available.

[QUOTE=HarryReams;3053908]In Bali, its sort of business as usual, I do avoid Jakarta as its more strictly enforced during this time with clubs closed. Some have returned back to their villages to celebrate Ramadan. The clubs are noticeable quite in Bali but some action is available when ever the price is right. Speaking of prices they have gone slightly up as fewer are available.[/QUOTE]A protip is to either arrive early, before girls have left and they are desperate for cash to take home or spend Ramadan in locations popular with local travellers eg Jogjakarta is packed during Ramadan. Plenty of girls there looking for holiday spending money at this time of the year.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3053932]….or spend Ramadan in locations popular with local travellers eg Jogjakarta is packed during Ramadan. Plenty of girls there looking for holiday spending money at this time of the year.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]This is true. I was in Jogja during another holiday and the town, especially the main street was crazy full. I just found it difficult to chat up girls because most of them were with their family. What do you think would be the best way to contact them? Tinder? Another app?

[QUOTE=Safado70;3054149]This is true. I was in Jogja during another holiday and the town, especially the main street was crazy full. I just found it difficult to chat up girls because most of them were with their family. What do you think would be the best way to contact them? Tinder? Another app?[/QUOTE]I haven't been to Yogyakarta but in Jakarta and Bali- Badoo was helpful to find few non-pros and pros. Coffee shops and malls are other venues where I approached the local babes.

Br.

Dickaprio.

Nice approach. Please what was your success rate for malls and coffee shops, and did you end up giving any gifts or tips at the end of the session.

[QUOTE=Dickaprio;3054168]I haven't been to Yogyakarta but in Jakarta and Bali- Badoo was helpful to find few non-pros and pros. Coffee shops and malls are other venues where I approached the local babes..[/QUOTE]

Planning to visit Jakarta in the first week of April, but wondering if I am picking up a bad time to visit due to Ramadan ending around March 19. If most providers head to villages in March, is there a good chance that the first week of April will see very limited quality and quantity at Hotel Classic?

Can someone with firsthand experience please clarify?

[QUOTE=Safado70;3054149]This is true. I was in Jogja during another holiday and the town, especially the main street was crazy full. I just found it difficult to chat up girls because most of them were with their family. What do you think would be the best way to contact them? Tinder? Another app?[/QUOTE]The good old online or food halls are always a fall back.

Specifically for Jogja, the food tents that are full of cheap food and set up every night along Jl Maliboro.

G.

Line up is definitely thin during the holy period, most girls that cannot go home will provide lackluster service as they are forced to work during these times, everyone wants family time. On a positive note, many want that extra buck so they can go hometown and contribute financially with their old folks. But I would imagine first week of April should be a good time and girls will be fresh.

[QUOTE=Oterri;3054555]Planning to visit Jakarta in the first week of April, but wondering if I am picking up a bad time to visit due to Ramadan ending around March 19. If most providers head to villages in March, is there a good chance that the first week of April will see very limited quality and quantity at Hotel Classic?

Can someone with firsthand experience please clarify?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SuperLove;3054457]Nice approach. Please what was your success rate for malls and coffee shops, and did you end up giving any gifts or tips at the end of the session.[/QUOTE]Dear SL, certainly more than 50%. Yes If they don't accept tips, will give some gifts or have dinner at nice places which they recommend (of course not so fancy) however most of the time, they will accept the tips. I will try my best to not send them back empty handed unless they do some really negative vibe and drama (wink). Cheers!

Happy punting.

Br.

Dickaprio.

Have a few co-workers in town this weekend (Mar 6-8) and wanted to show thems a good time. Any intels on whether places like Malio, Classic, Emporium are open this weekend? Still a 2 weeks before Ramandan week when everything is dead in city.

There was this article back in Feb 2026.

[URL]https://www.kompas.id/artikel/en-kelab-malam-hingga-bar-di-jakarta-wajib-tutup-selama-ramadhan-dan-idul-fitri[/URL]

Jakarta, KOMPAS. Nightclubs, discotheques, steam baths, massage parlors, and bars in Jakarta are required to close from one day before Ramadan until two days after Eid al-Fitr. This policy has been issued as a form of respect for the holy month of Ramadan while also maintaining order and a conducive atmosphere in Jakarta.

[QUOTE=United1;3055087]Have a few co-workers in town this weekend (Mar 6-8) and wanted to show thems a good time. Any intels on whether places like Malio, Classic, Emporium are open this weekend? Still a 2 weeks before Ramandan week when everything is dead in city.

There was this article back in Feb 2026.

[URL]https://www.kompas.id/artikel/en-kelab-malam-hingga-bar-di-jakarta-wajib-tutup-selama-ramadhan-dan-idul-fitri[/URL]

Jakarta, KOMPAS. Nightclubs, discotheques, steam baths, massage parlors, and bars in Jakarta are required to close from one day before Ramadan until two days after Eid al-Fitr. This policy has been issued as a form of respect for the holy month of Ramadan while also maintaining order and a conducive atmosphere in Jakarta.[/QUOTE]I'm in town this weekend as well. From TG and WA it seems that the usual places are open. I know Emprorium was posting line ups on their TG and WA channels. I will arrive tomorrow and will see for myself. But even if not, I have some past girls contacts who are ready to meet.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;3055180]I'm in town this weekend as well. From TG and WA it seems that the usual places are open. I know Emprorium was posting line ups on their TG and WA channels. I will arrive tomorrow and will see for myself. But even if not, I have some past girls contacts who are ready to meet.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the update sir. I will also probably stop by later in evening this weekend. Will report back.

FYI. Went to Emporium on Friday Mar 7 and gates were closed. Some door man looking guy said it was closed by will be open on Saturday.

I wonder why (the hell) this website doesn't offer a secure, encrypted connection. Most websites do, but this is the one that really needs it.

[QUOTE=United1;3055386]FYI. Went to Emporium on Friday Mar 7 and gates were closed. Some door man looking guy said it was closed by will be open on Saturday.[/QUOTE]To avoid confusion, Ramadan 2026 is February 17 - March 19.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;3055535]I wonder why (the hell) this website doesn't offer a secure, encrypted connection. Most websites do, but this is the one that really needs it.[/QUOTE]Probably Certificate Authorities aren't willing to associate with this industry similar to payment gateways.

[QUOTE=CodeName47;3055571]Probably Certificate Authorities aren't willing to associate with this industry similar to payment gateways.[/QUOTE]Nah, that's not it. Most likely the current admins here aren't interested in doing the little extra work required / paying someone to do it.

[QUOTE=CodeName47;3055571]Probably Certificate Authorities aren't willing to associate with this industry similar to payment gateways.[/QUOTE]There are services like letsencrypt which doesn't involve cert authority and its free as well.

[QUOTE=GentleSapien;3055896]There are services like letsencrypt which doesn't involve cert authority and its free as well.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3055689]Nah, that's not it. Most likely the current admins here aren't interested in doing the little extra work required / paying someone to do it.[/QUOTE]Hmm. Agreed, in which case the work to toggle https can be trivial depending on the server.

[QUOTE=XXL;3052578]Did you try the pharmacies within pasar baru? That's a 5 minutes' walk from Classic. You take the overpass to the other end of the road and enter the run-down shopping mall. I had success there sourcing antibiotics (Cefixime) that pharmacies like Boots and Guardian in modern shopping malls wouldn't sell me.[/QUOTE]I've checked out this pharmacy before. It would be good to note that the bridge that connects the two buildings is also filled with shops and the bridge connects floors from one building to the half floor of the other. When you get to the other side, look for floor 2. 5 or 3. 5 or 4. 5, you'll find it in a swap meet of clothing and crap electronic vendors. On the customer side of the pharmacy, it's really only like a 10 foot wide counter that's face high in height. You really don't go into the pharmacy, l but walk up to the tall counter. And also there's a lot of people trying to crowd in to buy medicine so it's like an asian butcher shop a bit.

I didn't feel comfortable asking for ED pills in that crazy crowd, so I just left. But at least I scoped the place out before hand and know what to expect if needed.

Hi,

Scanning through the forum for my upcoming trip at the end of May.

Not a big fan of escorts or bar girls so keen to explore dating apps that actually work in Bali?

I read somewhere that most local girls on the dating site are freelancers anyway. Which doesn't surprise me.

Where to meet genuine locals?

[QUOTE=Hazzzd;3056691]Hi,

Scanning through the forum for my upcoming trip at the end of May.

Not a big fan of escorts or bar girls so keen to explore dating apps that actually work in Bali?

I read somewhere that most local girls on the dating site are freelancers anyway. Which doesn't surprise me.

Where to meet genuine locals?[/QUOTE]So what do you have to offer these genuine locals? A relationship? Marriage? Kids? If all you have is a wandering temporary foreign dick that wants a no strings attached fuck, that's exactly what freelancers, sugar babies and hookers are for.

In short, places are open but I don't recommend it. Girls in Classic at less than half their normal numbers and wearing street clothes like jeans and tops. Emporium had good selection and business as usual as was Malioboro club. Lot of smaller places closed and daily hours fluctuate. On the other hand there was no difference in the service level in the room but the atmosphere in the bar was dead. If you must be there for other reasons its fine but for a mongering trip choose a different time. No issues with food or alcohol at restaurants though.

[QUOTE=Hazzzd;3056691]Hi,

Scanning through the forum for my upcoming trip at the end of May.

Not a big fan of escorts or bar girls so keen to explore dating apps that actually work in Bali?

I read somewhere that most local girls on the dating site are freelancers anyway. Which doesn't surprise me.

Where to meet genuine locals?[/QUOTE]Given Bali has some 6 Million visitors a year and maybe 15% of them are thinking like you your chances are not good. Here's some ideas for you.

Pretend you are retarded and hope that some Balinese feel sorry for you.

Open a warung that gives away free money.

Take up Balinese dancing classes.

Get some racing swimmers and muscle in on the local beach boys.

Your plan has got all the ingredients of a very funny Mr Bean episode. Don't forget to share your experiences.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;3057056]Given Bali has some 6 Million visitors a year and maybe 15% of them are thinking like you your chances are not good. Here's some ideas for you.

Pretend you are retarded and hope that some Balinese feel sorry for you.

Open a warung that gives away free money.

Take up Balinese dancing classes.

Get some racing swimmers and muscle in on the local beach boys.

Your plan has got all the ingredients of a very funny Mr Bean episode. Don't forget to share your experiences.[/QUOTE]LOL.

BTW, warungs are my "go to."

Earlier in this thread someone mentioned a telegram group that had photos of available girls. I can't find the post now, does anyone know if such a telegram group still exists? Many thanks.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;3056754]So what do you have to offer these genuine locals? A relationship? Marriage? Kids? If all you have is a wandering temporary foreign dick that wants a no strings attached fuck, that's exactly what freelancers, sugar babies and hookers are for.[/QUOTE]I would have thought there must be plenty of genuine local girls who want a no-strings attached fuck and don't expect money for it. Do you really believe they don't exist?

[QUOTE=RedGrouper2025;3057137]I would have thought there must be plenty of genuine local girls who want a no-strings attached fuck and don't expect money for it. Do you really believe they don't exist?[/QUOTE]Yes they do. But they are rare. I have personally met probably 3 or 4. However, they are not going to be instagram model 19 year olds. They may be divorced single moms in their 30's or in one case I had a married woman who wanted to get back at her cheating husband. However, I wouldn't go to Jakarta if that was my only option. I consider those statistical aberrations, or just some blind luck over many years and many trips. Also I found them on Seeking, so I was expecting them to ask for money, but we just hit it off and they didn't want any. More likely best case is my favorite sugar baby who is a 21 yo college student who comes and fucks my brains out all day for 1.5 M plus transport costs. She truly loves sex but she also enjoys the money. Those girls are more likely to be found.

[QUOTE=RedGrouper2025;3057137]I would have thought there must be plenty of genuine local girls who want a no-strings attached fuck and don't expect money for it. Do you really believe they don't exist?[/QUOTE]Two parts to the answer to this:

Balinese society is quite conservative, take all the foreigners out of Denpasar and it's not such a big town. So for a Balinese girl to be out and about in Denpasar with Mr Randy is not very likely. It isn't Jakarta. The second part of this is that sex is way more transactional in Indonesia than in Western countries and for a Balinese girl to be putting out free for Mr Randy she would need to be A already in love with him, or be financially secure, horny as hell and impervious to the disapproving looks she would be getting from other locals. That assumes Mr Randy already has class, money and knows how to treat a girl well. Anything below that and Indonesians actually have a word for it. Mokondo. Modal Kontol Doang.

Modal translates roughly as capital, It's what you bring to the table in any kind of deal. It can be money, land, security. Kontol is a cock, Doang is a filler word but is often used to add emphasis or finality to something that is singular and simple. So assuming Mr Randy is not that sophisticated but is still horny. He would be described as Bule Mokondo. The word evolved to describe the thousands of horny young village rats that exist in Indonesia with no job, no money and no prospects except for a raging boner. Indonesian girls have got the radar spinning flat out to detect them.

So yes, they probably do exist but like the punter who once wanted to find a pair of identical twins to bed at Classic. Mr Randy probably hasn't placed enough weighting on the mathematical probabilities.

Hope that helps.

[QUOTE=RedGrouper2025;3057137]I would have thought there must be plenty of genuine local girls who want a no-strings attached fuck and don't expect money for it. Do you really believe they don't exist?[/QUOTE]If there are plenty of 'such' gals out there in Bali or Jakarta and are easily available, then what is the relevance of this specific forum? Please correct me or clarify this for me. Thanks.

I'm going to Jakarta next month for a few days. I did RTFF, but I have a few questions.

I plan to limit my fun to the clubs (Emporium, Classic, Malioboro, Kings Cross).

I've read that Emporium and Malioboro have the hottest girls. I read that Classic is reliable and that I'll have no problem finding a hot girl, but the average looks of girls there are below that of Emporium and the price is lower.

Are there standard prices at these places? Do I have to be worried about negotiating? Obviously they're going to try to throw a high number at me if they've never seen me before so I'd like to know what the number should be.

I added Kings Cross because it's the only place I've been to before in Jakarta and I loved it. This was almost 4 years ago and I think the price was somewhere equivalent to about $25 usd and there were many hot girls to choose from.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;3057269]I'm going to Jakarta next month for a few days. I did RTFF, but I have a few questions.

I plan to limit my fun to the clubs (Emporium, Classic, Malioboro, Kings Cross).

I've read that Emporium and Malioboro have the hottest girls. I read that Classic is reliable and that I'll have no problem finding a hot girl, but the average looks of girls there are below that of Emporium and the price is lower.

Are there standard prices at these places? Do I have to be worried about negotiating? Obviously they're going to try to throw a high number at me if they've never seen me before so I'd like to know what the number should be.

I added Kings Cross because it's the only place I've been to before in Jakarta and I loved it. This was almost 4 years ago and I think the price was somewhere equivalent to about $25 usd and there were many hot girls to choose from.[/QUOTE]Ignoring kings cross which I know nothing about I'the say the big four are Malio, EMP, classic, and 1001/ collesium (which you don't mention). Malio Emporium and 1001 are all similarly priced at usd $100 and up. Classic is uniquely priced at USD $22/ HR. The numbers are set by the club. It’s very transparent.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;3057269]I'm going to Jakarta next month for a few days. I did RTFF, but I have a few questions.

I plan to limit my fun to the clubs (Emporium, Classic, Malioboro, Kings Cross).

I've read that Emporium and Malioboro have the hottest girls. I read that Classic is reliable and that I'll have no problem finding a hot girl, but the average looks of girls there are below that of Emporium and the price is lower.

Are there standard prices at these places? Do I have to be worried about negotiating? Obviously they're going to try to throw a high number at me if they've never seen me before so I'd like to know what the number should be.

I added Kings Cross because it's the only place I've been to before in Jakarta and I loved it. This was almost 4 years ago and I think the price was somewhere equivalent to about $25 usd and there were many hot girls to choose from.[/QUOTE]Don't forget Travel Hotel which I heard is a similar but smaller venue like Classic which I've never been but plan to on my next trip there.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3057335]Don't forget Travel Hotel which I heard is a similar but smaller venue like Classic which I've never been but plan to on my next trip there.[/QUOTE]General wisdom is travel isn't worth it. Priced like classic but inferior girls. But I haven't been. If you want to toftt let us know!!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3057361]General wisdom is travel isn't worth it. Priced like classic but inferior girls. But I haven't been. If you want to toftt let us know!![/QUOTE]There are some videos on YouTube of Hotel Travel showing the girls there. Looks much like those at Classic.

Travel is smaller, duller with about 2 dozens girls, lower-quality compared to Classic.

Ugly girls would swarm, extremely aggressive and mercenary, beg and push you to buy 1 then 10 fake whiskey shots from waiters who carry trays of 100 shots. They would knock down the fake shots then quickly run back to their regulars. You are quickly out of $200 and don't even have time to talk to or grope them. Travel is the worst rip off joint in the world. If you come in, just grope the girls for free then shoo them away. Don't even buy them 1 drink or a dozen girls will swarm you.

Travel hotel is far more run down and dirtier with bugs and roaches compared to Classic. Walk through the coffee shop to the back where the back door opens to the dusty Lockasari Square with a few pimps and mamasans aggressively accost you to sell street girls, obviously hardened drugs addicts with tattoos and skin lesions, sleeping in the filthy hotel.

Dozens street food and durian stalls sell all night but I don't know of any worthwhile sit-down restaurant nearby. This area is a shockingly run-down slum compared to the area around Classic.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;3057056]Given Bali has some 6 Million visitors a year and maybe 15% of them are thinking like you your chances are not good. Here's some ideas for you.


Your plan has got all the ingredients of a very funny Mr Bean episode. Don't forget to share your experiences.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RedGrouper2025;3057137]I would have thought there must be plenty of genuine local girls who want a no-strings attached fuck and don't expect money for it. Do you really believe they don't exist?[/QUOTE]If sex is the only target why not visit Pattaya, I find that's value for money. If one wants to play with girls emotion and if she wanted to take a revenge the laws on extra marital introduced couple of years back is good enough. There are cases girls told me know about funny situations the guys got into with local girls especially the ones promising marriage / genuine date and try to escape.

If one thinks Jakarta is a dating heaven by any chance, they will be pleasantly surprised. If you can't get a tinder date back home, its not going to happen here.

There is no free lunch in this world, dating is often much costlier than the Travel / classic session even if you don't consider your value of time. Remember you paid for thousands for flights and hotels.

Having said that, if you are traveling to Jakarta frequently and treat people nicely, this can be one of the places to visit when you get bored in Pattaya. I visited Pattaya first time over festive period last year. I am now inclined to go Thailand more.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;3057465]Travel is smaller, duller with about 2 dozens girls, lower-quality compared to Classic.

Ugly girls would swarm, extremely aggressive and mercenary, beg and push you to buy 1 then 10 fake whiskey shots from waiters who carry trays of 100 shots. [/QUOTE]It used to be ok 10 years back. Not close to classic in terms of numbers and quality but I first found this accidentally when the hotel staff told me about travel hotel across the road. Visited again last year to see how it is, the fake whiskey shots was absolutely horrendous experience and yes I had a few beers and left. Sure noticed less girls. I thought probably I was on wrong time / day.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;3057465]Travel is smaller, duller with about 2 dozens girls, lower-quality compared to Classic.

Ugly girls would swarm, extremely aggressive and mercenary, beg and push you to buy 1 then 10 fake whiskey shots from waiters who carry trays of 100 shots. They would knock down the fake shots then quickly run back to their regulars. You are quickly out of $200 and don't even have time to talk to or grope them. Travel is the worst rip off joint in the world. If you come in, just grope the girls for free then shoo them away. Don't even buy them 1 drink or a dozen girls will swarm you.

Travel hotel is far more run down and dirtier with bugs and roaches compared to Classic. Walk through the coffee shop to the back where the back door opens to the dusty Lockasari Square with a few pimps and mamasans aggressively accost you to sell street girls, obviously hardened drugs addicts with tattoos and skin lesions, sleeping in the filthy hotel.

Dozens street food and durian stalls sell all night but I don't know of any worthwhile sit-down restaurant nearby. This area is a shockingly run-down slum compared to the area around Classic.[/QUOTE]I don't understand the constant bashing of Travel.

I've been there a few times in a 6 months interval and never experienced what you've described. Never had a girl come over me (ugly or not), never saw anybody begging for drinks and I didn't see any meaningful difference with Classic's rooms. Mamasans will come over (just like in Classic), and the girls were even surprised I offered them a drink before heading to the room (girls asking for drinks happens in Classic though, but it comes from the dancers, not the regular girls).

It's not the perfect place on earth but it's just like Classic on a lower level. Lots of smoke, less girls than Classic, and the quality of the service in the room do not seem to be on par with Classic.

The Chinese dim sum restaurant open 24 hours located in the same street on the opposite side of Travel is good.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3057598]I don't understand the constant bashing of Travel.

I've been there a few times in a 6 months interval and never experienced what you've described. Never had a girl come over me (ugly or not), never saw anybody begging for drinks and I didn't see any meaningful difference with Classic's rooms. Mamasans will come over (just like in Classic), and the girls were even surprised I offered them a drink before heading to the room (girls asking for drinks happens in Classic though, but it comes from the dancers, not the regular girls).

It's not the perfect place on earth but it's just like Classic on a lower level. Lots of smoke, less girls than Classic, and the quality of the service in the room do not seem to be on par with Classic.

The Chinese dim sum restaurant open 24 hours located in the same street on the opposite side of Travel is good.[/QUOTE]The set up at Classic and Travel is similar, as are the facilities. But I have never had a decent experience at Travel and refuse to go there any more. Its the only place in Jakarta where the girl insisted on CBJ, had shitty attitudes and terrible service. Classic girls are far more accommodating, BBBJ is standard, BBFS is common and most girls are really quite sweet. For the same price its a no brainer. My friends still like Travel for whatever reasons, they say they get similar service at both. But its definitely not my experience. But to be fair I have a large sample size at Classic but after 3 back to back bad experiences at Travel I gave up on the place. Actually the best girls for attitude and service are not to be found at either of those anyway.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3057598]I don't understand the constant bashing of Travel.

I've been there a few times in a 6 months interval and never experienced what you've described. Never had a girl come over me (ugly or not), never saw anybody begging for drinks and I didn't see any meaningful difference with Classic's rooms. Mamasans will come over (just like in Classic), and the girls were even surprised I offered them a drink before heading to the room (girls asking for drinks happens in Classic though, but it comes from the dancers, not the regular girls).[/QUOTE][blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] Yes, Travel is like a smaller scale Classic, but there are well over 100 girls working between the stage area in front and the pool table area in back. The experience is not nearly as bad as described IMHO. For example, it is factual that there are girls going around selling shots and lap dances, but they are easily dismissed. That being said, Classic has multiple venues in the same hotel complex, so it serves as the go-to for the lazy monger to butterfly from floor to floor.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;3057465][b]Travel hotel[/b] is far more run down and dirtier with bugs and roaches compared to Classic. Walk through the coffee shop to the back where the back door opens to the dusty Lockasari Square with a few pimps and mamasans aggressively accost you to sell street girls, obviously hardened drugs addicts with tattoos and skin lesions, sleeping in the filthy hotel.[/QUOTE]Travel Hotel is located on the other side of Jalan Mangga Besar from Lokasari, so can't see how that back door works. Magic perhaps. Yes, there is a hotel in Lokasari which fits that description, but it is not Travel Hotel. While Lokasari is a raw street meat market, the description IMHO is overblown. In fact, I have had girls from Lokasari who would put the Classic girls I have seen posted here to shame. Suggest that mongers get their own experience. Enjoy Jakarta, AR.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3057598]I don't understand the constant bashing of Travel.

I've been there a few times in a 6 months interval and never experienced what you've described. Never had a girl come over me (ugly or not), never saw anybody begging for drinks and I didn't see any meaningful difference with Classic's rooms. Mamasans will come over (just like in Classic), and the girls were even surprised I offered them a drink before heading to the room (girls asking for drinks happens in Classic though, but it comes from the dancers, not the regular girls).

It's not the perfect place on earth but it's just like Classic on a lower level. Lots of smoke, less girls than Classic, and the quality of the service in the room do not seem to be on par with Classic.

The Chinese dim sum restaurant open 24 hours located in the same street on the opposite side of Travel is good.[/QUOTE]Most likely people bashing it because they couldn't get their BBFS, DFK, BBBJ, Superman. Donkey punch, or whatever. Everyone has their opinion, go once or twice and determine it for yourself.

Travel, pre-covid, was way smaller than Classic and the lineup wasn't as great.

Trave, post-covid. Which I visit again in 2025, is bigger and the lineup has grown. Quality wise. Hard to say. Due to the how they have the ladies sitting and difficult to view as Classic. I'm going back in May, so we'll see.

Is it safe to say for those of us that enjoy the level of quality at a place like Classic, that it is now the best bang for the buck in all of Southeast Asia?

My particular interest is femdom so I would be grateful if anyone could share their experiences with pro dommes in Jakarta. I'm not looking for just some escort with a whip, I'm looking for proper lifestyle dominatrixes who work out of well equipped studios. Any pointers gratefully received, many thanks.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3057598]I don't understand the constant bashing of Travel.

I've been there a few times in a 6 months interval and never experienced what you've described. Never had a girl come over me (ugly or not), never saw anybody begging for drinks and I didn't see any meaningful difference with Classic's rooms. Mamasans will come over (just like in Classic), and the girls were even surprised I offered them a drink before heading to the room (girls asking for drinks happens in Classic though, but it comes from the dancers, not the regular girls).

It's not the perfect place on earth but it's just like Classic on a lower level. Lots of smoke, less girls than Classic, and the quality of the service in the room do not seem to be on par with Classic.

The Chinese dim sum restaurant open 24 hours located in the same street on the opposite side of Travel is good.[/QUOTE]Sounds like the area where Travel is located in has more interesting food options so I'll probably visit there at least once an pop in. If Travel sucks as some guys have mentioned, at least I'll still get to have a decent cheap meal in the area before Ubering it back to Classic where besides the hotel, I didn't really find much interesting food options (I wasn't really impressed with that steak place nearby since I didn't come all the way to Indonesia to have western style steak).

I'm not a fan of travel either, mainly because the incidence of CBJ is too high.

But these obnoxious dancers can be found in classic too. I have actually met the same crew in travel, classic T2 and T5, and their behaviour was exactly the same.

Why does seeking work as a location in Jakarta, but not Bali? Am I doing something wrong?

Bali is expensive and most girls don't want to complicate their existing arrangements. Better to fly a girl to Bali and enjoy non stop debauchery.

[QUOTE=MrBuckley;3057828]Why does seeking work as a location in Jakarta, but not Bali? Am I doing something wrong?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrBuckley;3057828]Why does seeking work as a location in Jakarta, but not Bali? Am I doing something wrong?[/QUOTE]There are plenty of SB's in Bali. But expect higher asking rates than in Jakarta, maybe 2 x. Bali is a well-known tourist destination for western families and single men. That means that there is a significant number of UTR locals and visitors (mostly from EU and AU) that will hook up for P4 P. Bali also has a few "spas" similar to Jakarta, but not as many are open for extras.

Overall expect to pay allowances from 4 m to 6 m in Bali for a good-looking SB. And expect to be asked to pay about the same for a UTR tryst with a local. With a woman on vacation travel, if you are good looking and have game, you can probably get better rates, even free if you buy her drinks and she's horny. But if you are an old fart like me, you will be expected to cough up 6 m to 8 m.

Travel is no way big enough to cramp in 100 girls then more guys in that small room. Girls in Travel are very rude and mercenary, not even good-looking; Travel is a shameless rip off joint.

Travel hotel and club are on NE side of Lokasari Square. I walked past the small coffee shop and breakfast area in Travel hotel and exited the back door out to Lokasari Square.

Mamasan took me in the filthy hotel 88? Across from the KFC in the square, showed me 2 skanky girls with tats and skin lesions sleeping in the same bed in day time, likely under drugs influence. I went there for the exposure but would never do such filthy girls. She also tried to pimp the girls playing board games on the ground in the square in front of the telephone sales booth. There are potential set ups for police stings with underaged girls.

Hotel Travel is on Mangga Besar VIII, south of Jalan Taman Sari 11. It's not in Lokasari Square. You might be referring to another place called Travel, but it's not the place most often talked about here. Although it is across from a Hotel 88 on Mangga Besar VIII.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;3058264]Travel is no way big enough to cramp in 100 girls then more guys in that small room. Girls in Travel are very rude and mercenary, not even good-looking; Travel is a shameless rip off joint.

Travel hotel and club are on NE side of Lokasari Square. I walked past the small coffee shop and breakfast area in Travel hotel and exited the back door out to Lokasari Square.

Mamasan took me in the filthy hotel 88? Across from the KFC in the square, showed me 2 skanky girls with tats and skin lesions sleeping in the same bed in day time, likely under drugs influence. I went there for the exposure but would never do such filthy girls. She also tried to pimp the girls playing board games on the ground in the square in front of the telephone sales booth. There are potential set ups for police stings with underaged girls.[/QUOTE]

We are a married couple, 100% Indonesian, H: 37, W: 27, and we've been living this lifestyle for over 5 years. You might recognize us if you've joined and followed our threads on the old forum.

Wife's details:

Height: 157.

Weight: 49.

Boobs: 36 c.

Skin: Fair, tattooed.

Loves to drink.

Wife has a very high sexual desire and passion, and is accompanied by skills that can make a man very satisfied, as proven by partners from the old forum.

She can do many things to a man if she is satisfied and treated like a queen.

The wife dominates all sexual styles & positions (except anal), gangbangs, orgies, 3-somes, 4-somes, outdoor adventures, a very arousing moan, CIM, CIF, she can also provide services in return, sensual massage, penis massage, full body licking, virility therapy, and much more that will surely make you miss her.

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[QUOTE=Maxtreme;3058319]You might recognize us if you've joined and followed our threads on the old forum.[/QUOTE]May I ask what is the "old forum"?

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;3058264]Travel is no way big enough to cramp in 100 girls then more guys in that small room. Girls in Travel are very rude and mercenary, not even good-looking; Travel is a shameless rip off joint.

Travel hotel and club are on NE side of Lokasari Square. I walked past the small coffee shop and breakfast area in Travel hotel and exited the back door out to Lokasari Square.

Mamasan took me in the filthy hotel 88? Across from the KFC in the square, showed me 2 skanky girls with tats and skin lesions sleeping in the same bed in day time, likely under drugs influence. I went there for the exposure but would never do such filthy girls. She also tried to pimp the girls playing board games on the ground in the square in front of the telephone sales booth. There are potential set ups for police stings with underaged girls.[/QUOTE]Why are you saying things like that? Of course, the Travel has room for 100 women. Could it be that you don't know the back of the Travel or were there at the wrong time? And the idea that the girls are only after money is nonsense. They're no more money-hungry than the girls at the Classic or anywhere else. And personally, I even find some of the girls at the Travel more attractive than elsewhere.

I forgot what the deal was at Kota Inday about getting special no-holds barred full-service like we did at Classic's? Did it more resemble Travel in this respect or more Classic?

I wasn't there often enough to form a reliable opinion on this.
[QUOTE=Maxtreme;3058319]

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Wife has a very high sexual desire and passion, and is accompanied by skills that can make a man very satisfied, as proven by partners from the old forum.

She can do many things to a man if she is satisfied and treated like a queen.

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You could go hang around at BAT's (Shangri-La) to find what you want.

[QUOTE=XXL;3058604]I forgot what the deal was at Kota Inday about getting special no-holds barred full-service like we did at Classic's? Did it more resemble Travel in this respect or more Classic?
[/QUOTE]In this regard, KI is definitely closer to classic than it is to travel. No girl in KI ever tried to give me a CBJ. The availability of BBFS is similar to classic too. If you care for DFK, you should definitely ask before booking the girl, and only take her if she answers enthusiastically with yes.

[QUOTE=XXL;3058604]I forgot what the deal was at Kota Inday about getting special no-holds barred full-service like we did at Classic's? Did it more resemble Travel in this respect or more Classic?

I wasn't there often enough to form a reliable opinion on this..[/QUOTE]Thank you, but we prefer not to go out on the streets, and seek a more personal relationship through the virtual world with an introduction process until we find a match.

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[QUOTE=Maxtreme;3058319]We are a married couple, 100% Indonesian, H: 37, W: 27, and we've been living this lifestyle for over 5 years. You might recognize us if you've joined and followed our threads on the old forum.

Wife's details:

Height: 157.

Weight: 49.

Boobs: 36 c.

Skin: Fair, tattooed.

Loves to drink.

Wife has a very high sexual desire and passion, and is accompanied by skills that can make a man very satisfied, as proven by partners from the old forum..[/QUOTE]Up. Up. Up.

Guys, please report the spammer so that we get him quickly off this board.

[QUOTE=Maxtreme;3058881]Up. Up. Up.[/QUOTE]Come on, you are selling sand on a beach. People who fall for this are either clueless or have no idea how much easier it is to make their fantasies come true in Jakarta.

I am looking to book an Airbnb and I'd prefer to stay in the middle of the best area for action. Anyone have any recommendations on where?

Hi,

I read classic T2 opens at 2 pm but looking for recent experience if 1.30 pm is possible to get a grip, obviously small selection but I'm fine.

How about travel? Thanks.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;3058264]. There are potential set ups for police stings with underaged girls.[/QUOTE]Please facts -- not hearsay only.

When and where published? Because if --then it would be a biiiig story in the Jakarta rainbow press.

[QUOTE=IphoneSamsung;3059877]Hi,

I read classic T2 opens at 2 pm but looking for recent experience if 1.30 pm is possible to get a grip, obviously small selection but I'm fine.

How about travel? Thanks.[/QUOTE]I tried going around 1:30 PM once at Classic T2 but was turned away said the girls were getting ready and went to have Tea at my favorite Martabak Har restaurant which is a block away. Security usually blocks off the entrance and clears it around 2 PM. You might get lucky a few minutes before, but going too early won't help.

[QUOTE=Stl24;3059708]I am looking to book an Airbnb and I'd prefer to stay in the middle of the best area for action. Anyone have any recommendations on where?[/QUOTE]North Jakarta is where the most action is. Mangga Besar, Pasar Baru, Gajah Mada, Mangga Dua, Glodok.

[QUOTE=JuneFly;3060601]North Jakarta is where the most action is. Mangga Besar, Pasar Baru, Gajah Mada, Mangga Dua, Glodok.[/QUOTE]If those neighborhoods are not familiar just search Movenpick Jakarta. This hotel is perfectly located for Classic, Malio, Emporium etc. So get an Airbnb near it.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3058614]In this regard, KI is definitely closer to classic than it is to travel. No girl in KI ever tried to give me a CBJ. The availability of BBFS is similar to classic too. If you care for DFK, you should definitely ask before booking the girl, and only take her if she answers enthusiastically with yes.[/QUOTE]100% agree. Kota Indah is a bar of bars, some girls in New Sari Ayu bar and Royal bar next door are more adventurous and daring than the others. I still remember a one dragon service I got from there from one of the girls, it was mind blowing deep rimming with her tongue, oh my god, my body shivered and quivered a few times.

First of all its great place and a must visit one for first time Indonesia visitors.

Numerous post here on classic, will try focus on the things felt different.

Before reaching classic, many road side shops with Cialis or tadalafil written in card boards for selling those openly. Kind of bold and weird.

T2 houses long aisle with many girls and its packed space, can view much closer than T5, Its lot smokey and bit loud.

T5 houses two section of gallery on either side of stage, spacious, can view from somewhat distant, less smokey than T2.

Once I saw one cute dancer girl in fishnet cloths in T2, they said they are not bar girls. But later they were giving lapdance and I'm not sure.

How to avail those services and charges.

I'm non smoker, so Even if DFK is allowed, its somewhat repulsive to do since girls do have smoking smell.

In both T2 and T5 its not a problem as long as the girl in 7's, If you spot an 8, no mama will be in vicinity to ask and some laser pointer.

Will lead them immediately to some other table. I'm impressed with the speed here to pull 8's, I mean its barely 1 or 2 seconds since they came.

If at all managed to tell mama then either sudden periods or something else or girl herself will reject. Not sure how to handle here.

One girl had BV, hence I lost interest and was talking to her, she said they usually prefer Chinese then indos then others in that order due to "something" size.

Many uses Listerine wipes here for BBJ.

Covered FS only I had, tipped 50 k only if I liked their service.

People who do BBFS here are taking prep pills or something? I donno how they are sure about safety.

This is in the same building as CJ's apparently, or very close. AI tells me there's a high likelihood of meeting freelance girls there. From the internet it looks like just another disco with groovy music. AI is often not the best source for our hobby though.

[QUOTE=GentleSapien;3060681]First of all its great place and a must visit one for first time Indonesia visitors.

Numerous post here on classic, will try focus on the things felt different.

Before reaching classic, many road side shops with Cialis or tadalafil written in card boards for selling those openly. Kind of bold and weird.

T2 houses long aisle with many girls and its packed space, can view much closer than T5, Its lot smokey and bit loud.

T5 houses two section of gallery on either side of stage, spacious, can view from somewhat distant, less smokey than T2.

Once I saw one cute dancer girl in fishnet cloths in T2, they said they are not bar girls. But later they were giving lapdance and I'm not sure.

How to avail those services and charges.

I'm non smoker, so Even if DFK is allowed, its somewhat repulsive to do since girls do have smoking smell.

In both T2 and T5 its not a problem as long as the girl in 7's, If you spot an 8, no mama will be in vicinity to ask and some laser pointer.

Will lead them immediately to some other table. I'm impressed with the speed here to pull 8's, I mean its barely 1 or 2 seconds since they came.

If at all managed to tell mama then either sudden periods or something else or girl herself will reject. Not sure how to handle here.

One girl had BV, hence I lost interest and was talking to her, she said they usually prefer Chinese then indos then others in that order due to "something" size.

Many uses Listerine wipes here for BBJ.

Covered FS only I had, tipped 50 k only if I liked their service.

People who do BBFS here are taking prep pills or something? I donno how they are sure about safety.[/QUOTE]What about Classic 1? I don't think it's bad either, except for the fact that as a foreigner you pay a surcharge of 200,000 compared to locals. Which is still cheap. As for the dancers, no matter what you want to do with them, it will be ridiculously expensive in comparison.

[QUOTE=GentleSapien;3060681]Before reaching classic, many road side shops with Cialis or tadalafil written in card boards for selling those openly.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report! I thought Classic may have been closed like the Strait of Hormuz due to the recent absence of near daily reports. Hope you didn't purchase from the road side vendors. You would likely find a higher concentration of tadalafil in a convenience store breath mint.

[QUOTE]I'm non smoker, so Even if DFK is allowed, its somewhat repulsive to do since girls do have smoking smell.[/QUOTE]Agree. Nothing worse than kissing a girl with ashtray breath. Smell gets into their hair as well. Some guys like the smoke. Not a feature, but rather a bug IMHO.

[QUOTE]In both T2 and T5 its not a problem as long as the girl in 7's, If you spot an 8, no mama will be in vicinity to ask and some laser pointer. Will lead them immediately to some other table. I'm impressed with the speed here to pull 8's, I mean its barely 1 or 2 seconds since they came. If at all managed to tell mama then either sudden periods or something else or girl herself will reject. Not sure how to handle here.[/QUOTE]Think from the perspective of mami and her girls. If they have a table full of free-spending punters, whether they be Chinese, local or whatever, you will become INVISIBLE as a solo visitor. If you want to get the top talent, then you need to develop a mutually beneficial relationship with mami. That laser can just as easily point quality talent your way, but that comes from developing relationships that take a little time and effort (and dare I say, rupiah).

[QUOTE]Covered FS only I had, tipped 50 k only if I liked their service. People who do BBFS here are taking prep pills or something? I donno how they are sure about safety.[/QUOTE]Good to be curious, but why distract yourself with how other punters do their punting behind closed doors? If CFS is working for you, you do you. Enjoy Jakarta, AR.

[QUOTE=XXL;3060732]This is in the same building as CJ's apparently, or very close. AI tells me there's a high likelihood of meeting freelance girls there. From the internet it looks like just another disco with groovy music. AI is often not the best source for our hobby though.[/QUOTE]Well don't be fooled by AI. First of all CJ's is not in the same building as Equinox and X2. And actually Equinox and probably X2 are closed, so you may have a wasted trip to Plaza Senayan. CJ's is in the Mulia Hotel, which is just down the road from Plaza Senayan.

[QUOTE=Joe2422;3060739]What about Classic 1? I don't think it's bad either, except for the fact that as a foreigner you pay a surcharge of 200,000 compared to locals. Which is still cheap. As for the dancers, no matter what you want to do with them, it will be ridiculously expensive in comparison.[/QUOTE]Classic T1 is a different vibe but good in its own way. I guess it seems the "classiest" because it has a lounge bar feel with lots of leather lounge chairs and sofas. I think it would be best if you want to hang w some buds.

I find it the hardest to ogle the girls because they are all clustered in one end in short rows. You need to either choose a chair close by or not be shy walking up and inspecting the merchandise. I found near the bathroom there are a couple high chairs near the pool table that are a good perch if you are in the market. When the fat mamasan pulls a lineup (she had the most girls by far when I was there) that's a great location to see the parade up close coming and going.

Not saying this is fact, but it seemed to me the T1 girls were on average a lot bustier. If larger tits are your thing then ID say T1 is your best bet.

In any case, with a beer at $3. 50 covering your cover charge its easy to bounce to all three.

Most Asian customers in classic ask for a lineup. If they don't see anything they like they ask the next mami and then the next. White guys on the other hand, let the mami bring the girls one after one. Why are you guys doing this?

I think the lineup is way superior. But I feel like I have to fight for that every time, because mamis just by looking at me assume that I want a one on one presentation.

[QUOTE=GentleSapien;3060681]......I'm non smoker, so Even if DFK is allowed, its somewhat repulsive to do since girls do have smoking smell........[/QUOTE]I do not smoke and do not drink coffee. Many years ago I had a work meeting with a woman who had the smell of cigarettes and coffee on her breath. I got a huge erection talking close to her the main reason being her breath. If I did not have good self control I would have got into a lot of trouble.

[QUOTE=Joe2422;3060739] As for the dancers, no matter what you want to do with them, it will be ridiculously expensive in comparison.[/QUOTE]I didn't visit T1, In general I didn't see lapdance is not mentioned here hence the question.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3060760] Hope you didn't purchase from the road side vendors.
Nothing worse than kissing a girl with ashtray breath. Smell gets into their hair as well. Some guys like the smoke. Not a feature, but rather a bug IMHO.[/QUOTE]I didn't purchase anything from roadside vendors, I mean its kind of 'WTF' moment.

Next time will try talk to mami's to see if they are helping in this case.

Smoke gets into their boobs as well.

[QUOTE=Turgid;3060789]I do not smoke and do not drink coffee. Many years ago I had a work meeting with a woman who had the smell of cigarettes and coffee on her breath. I got a huge erection talking close to her the main reason being her breath. If I did not have good self control I would have got into a lot of trouble.[/QUOTE]Is it one-off incident or you don't have any issue with smoking smell?

[QUOTE=Safado70;3060787]Most Asian customers in classic ask for a lineup. If they don't see anything they like they ask the next mami and then the next. White guys on the other hand, let the mami bring the girls one after one. Why are you guys doing this?

I think the lineup is way superior. But I feel like I have to fight for that every time, because mamis just by looking at me assume that I want a one on one presentation.[/QUOTE][blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] I always ask for contest. To me that's almost as much fun as the fucking. Just looking at a line of hot girls, knowing I can fuck any of them with just a small gesture with my hand. Its a huge turn on.

I just sessioned a girl some of you may know, as she is from Papua and she used to be the only girl in bikini (before the house banned her from being in bikini). She grandfathered me into full service no holds barred from last year, but when I tipped her 100 thousand she threw the banknote on the floor. I said ok then, two hundred, and gave her another red bill. She kept bitching, insisting on 300. She was adamant I had always given her 300 "because we had used no C" she said. Now I am pretty sure I had only tipped her 100 last year, as I usually did except in case where we bargained another price up front.

Maybe she acted in good faith and mistook me for another (big tipping) customer? I fear tipping 300 may have become standard at Classic's for full service no holds barred. One year is a long time these days in mongering. Things change quickly.

[QUOTE=GentleSapien;3060681]Covered FS only I had, tipped 50 k only if I liked their service..[/QUOTE]Is 50 K a typo? You realize that is USD $3.00, right? Three United States dollars.

[QUOTE=XXL;3060927]I just sessioned a girl some of you may know, as she is from Papua and she used to be the only girl in bikini (before the house banned her from being in bikini). She grandfathered me into full service no holds barred from last year, but when I tipped her 100 thousand she threw the banknote on the floor. I said ok then, two hundred, and gave her another red bill. She kept bitching, insisting on 300. She was adamant I had always given her 300 "because we had used no C" she said. Now I am pretty sure I had only tipped her 100 last year, as I usually did except in case where we bargained another price up front.

Maybe she acted in good faith and mistook me for another (big tipping) customer? I fear tipping 300 may have become standard at Classic's for full service no holds barred. One year is a long time these days in mongering. Things change quickly.[/QUOTE]Two weeks ago, a girl in classic brought the topic of BB up herself and asked for 500. I had a hard time negotiating her down to 300. Even worse, the sex was just mediocre and after we started to fuck, she told me that I had to come outside. Being a sucker, I had forgotten to negotiate that part.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3060930]Two weeks ago, a girl in classic brought the topic of BB up herself and asked for 500. I had a hard time negotiating her down to 300. Even worse, the sex was just mediocre and after we started to fuck, she told me that I had to come outside. Being a sucker, I had forgotten to negotiate that part.[/QUOTE]On the bright side, it could have been worse. Somewhere in her past was a chump who paid a 500 k upcharge for BB with cum on belly ending. IMHO the girl did you dirty by pulling that nonsense mid fuck. Since you were already BBing her, you could have counter negotiated that "cum outside" is only worth 150 k since (at least) half of the pleasure is diminished. If they can renegotiate during the act, why shouldn't punters do the same? Otherwise what is the consequence for such trickery? For thought, AR.

[QUOTE=NoGermaphobe;3058303]Hotel Travel is on Mangga Besar VIII, south of Jalan Taman Sari 11. It's not in Lokasari Square. You might be referring to another place called Travel, but it's not the place most often talked about here. Although it is across from a Hotel 88 on Mangga Besar VIII.[/QUOTE]Correct. Hotel Travel, as referred to often in this thread in the same breath as Classic and Kota Indah bars, is located at this Google Pin ([URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/pdxEWkyWyjGj7PQ87[/URL]). One can see many YT videos online of Hotel Travel that show the scale and circulation of girls, for example ([URL]https://youtu.be/2T228H5p04Y?si=dBbYpsWrUGz3d6W0[/URL]).

The Lokasari hotel as described in the other posts would seem to fit Olympic Hotel. Olympic has a coffee shop on the ground floor that has a rear door connecting to Lokasari. The rear door can be seen in this Google Pin ([URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/TEuY9MXBMJHrP8Um7[/URL]). Olympic also has a small disco cum KTV located on 4th floor. Other hotels in the Lokasari complex are Kabuki, Cherry and Prinsen.

IMHO and expereince, both Hotel Travel and Olympic Hotel are dumps of varying dumpiness. Neither is a beach I would die arguing on. Enjoy Jakarta, AR.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3060929]Is 50 K a typo? You realize that is USD $3.00, right? Three United States dollars.[/QUOTE]Amount is not typo, rather typo is in my birth timezone entered by god. Hence unfortunately I'm not the one earning in usd.

For that matter my currency is even less than idr. I think that is fair value even in idr.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3060963]Correct. Hotel Travel, as referred to often in this thread in the same breath as Classic and Kota Indah bars, is located at this Google Pin ([URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/pdxEWkyWyjGj7PQ87[/URL]). One can see many YT videos online of Hotel Travel that show the scale and circulation of girls, for example ([URL]https://youtu.be/2T228H5p04Y?si=dBbYpsWrUGz3d6W0[/URL]).

The Lokasari hotel as described in the other posts would seem to fit Olympic Hotel. Olympic has a coffee shop on the ground floor that has a rear door connecting to Lokasari. The rear door can be seen in this Google Pin ([URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/TEuY9MXBMJHrP8Um7[/URL]). Olympic also has a small disco cum KTV located on 4th floor. Other hotels in the Lokasari complex are Kabuki, Cherry and Prinsen.

IMHO and expereince, both Hotel Travel and Olympic Hotel are dumps of varying dumpiness. Neither is a beach I would die arguing on. Enjoy Jakarta, AR.[/QUOTE]Hotel Olympic is basically a karaoke centric nightlife scene, catering to a more upscale crowd, wealthy Indonesian, Bruneian, South Korean clientele. It's not your typical walk-in budget friendly spot like Classic or KI bars, guests here are usually come to spend, often dropping 5 M+ IDR, more over the course of an evening to come drink, sing, and have fun. The guys bring their own girls or choose from the ones available there, they come here for good times and experience, don't care about the transactional sex. I was told about it by a Grab driver, so I decided to check it out. I went inside, took the elevator up, and had a quick look around. The girl at the front desk gave me a brief tour of a private karaoke room, showed a few girls on tablet, and explained how everything works. I thanked her and left.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3057598]I don't understand the constant bashing of Travel.

I've been there a few times in a 6 months interval and never experienced what you've described. Never had a girl come over me (ugly or not), never saw anybody begging for drinks and I didn't see any meaningful difference with Classic's rooms. Mamasans will come over (just like in Classic), and the girls were even surprised I offered them a drink before heading to the room (girls asking for drinks happens in Classic though, but it comes from the dancers, not the regular girls).

It's not the perfect place on earth but it's just like Classic on a lower level. Lots of smoke, less girls than Classic, and the quality of the service in the room do not seem to be on par with Classic.

The Chinese dim sum restaurant open 24 hours located in the same street on the opposite side of Travel is good.[/QUOTE]I don't have anything negative to say about Hotel Travel. It was actually one of the first bars I visited during my first trip to Jakarta, which also happened to be a threesome. The girls were young, good looking, friendly, but no one was open to DFK at the time which was a downer for me. Since I didn't have that issue at other bars, I never really had a reason to return, not because of a bad experience, but simply because there were plenty of other options. When you already know what you want you can get on Amazon, why spend time and energy browsing other sites just to check if it's available?

[QUOTE=Safado70;3060930]Two weeks ago, a girl in classic brought the topic of BB up herself and asked for 500. I had a hard time negotiating her down to 300. Even worse, the sex was just mediocre and after we started to fuck, she told me that I had to come outside. Being a sucker, I had forgotten to negotiate that part.[/QUOTE]Exactly what happened to me on Friday. A young girl with small tits and deliciously flared hips. Once in the room she bargained me up to 400 k extra for BB, later insisting I had to pull out before coming. I had never thought I needed to negotiate that detail.

[QUOTE=JuneFly;3061116]I don't have anything negative to say about Hotel Travel. It was actually one of the first bars I visited during my first trip to Jakarta, which also happened to be a threesome. The girls were young, good looking, friendly, but no one was open to DFK at the time which was a downer for me. Since I didn't have that issue at other bars, I never really had a reason to return, not because of a bad experience, but simply because there were plenty of other options. When you already know what you want you can get on Amazon, why spend time and energy browsing other sites just to check if it's available?[/QUOTE]I'll have four days in Jakarta later this summer after Komodo and Bali so I'll allocate one of them to check out Travel. I'm going to do T2 and T5 for another two days and the final day will be left open depending on how happy I was with the first three days.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3060929]Is 50 K a typo? You realize that is USD $3.00, right? Three United States dollars.[/QUOTE]Could you also tell us how many Japanese yen it is?

[QUOTE=Maxtreme;3058319]We are a married couple, 100% Indonesian, H: 37, W: 27, and we've been living this lifestyle for over 5 years. [/QUOTE]Swingersdateclub might be a better forum to seek what you want.

My emporivm visit is not much, still will write down few points I have experienced.

First time instead of spa, somehow I ended up in tease club, entrance fee is 150 k with a free drink.

There is a minimum table spend (I think 500 k?) which can easily cross since one shot of drink is 170+tax at least.

If visiting solo, they will try assign one of girls to just sit with us and ask for drink or cigs which will take care of above spend.

Every half an hour or so, sexy dancers will dance for sometime then DJ or band will continue music till 2 am closing time.

Selection is not much to muse about. Maybe its great to hangout as group here, smoke ventilation also might be issue.

Another time went to spa around 7 pm, total could be less than 20. One mami was assigned as guide with not a friendly vibe.

Here environment is very quiet with no smoke. 1.5 M and 2 M category is there, I saw both, clad with single color gown.

At that time I felt they are just polished 7 or 7.5, hence I didn't pick anyone and paid 300 k cancel fee and left.

Now that I think for that price point, they won't reject anyone like in classic also maybe no baby damage and offers good service like many say.

[QUOTE=GentleSapien;3060991]Amount is not typo, rather typo is in my birth timezone entered by god. Hence unfortunately I'm not the one earning in usd.

For that matter my currency is even less than idr. I think that is fair value even in idr.[/QUOTE]Do you believe in Karma?

[QUOTE=GentleSapien;3061189]My emporivm visit is not much, still will write down few points I have experienced.

First time instead of spa, somehow I ended up in tease club, entrance fee is 150 k with a free drink.

There is a minimum table spend (I think 500 k?) which can easily cross since one shot of drink is 170+tax at least.

If visiting solo, they will try assign one of girls to just sit with us and ask for drink or cigs which will take care of above spend.

Every half an hour or so, sexy dancers will dance for sometime then DJ or band will continue music till 2 am closing time.

Selection is not much to muse about. Maybe its great to hangout as group here, smoke ventilation also might be issue.

Another time went to spa around 7 pm, total could be less than 20. One mami was assigned as guide with not a friendly vibe.

Here environment is very quiet with no smoke. 1.5 M and 2 M category is there, I saw both, clad with single color gown.

At that time I felt they are just polished 7 or 7.5, hence I didn't pick anyone and paid 300 k cancel fee and left.

Now that I think for that price point, they won't reject anyone like in classic also maybe no baby damage and offers good service like many say.[/QUOTE]The way I see it is when my pecker is inside a girl's mouth or pussy, it a 1. 5 M /2 M session going to be that much significantly better than a Classic one? I personally cannot justify that type of premium for me. Thanks for your intel though as it confirms that I'll pass on this place.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3061251]Do you believe in Karma?[/QUOTE]Please ask your full question instead of vague question like this.

Quality of girls and optics are significantly better than classic, plus the hygiene is on a different level. Places like 1001 and emporium are not aiming for classic fan base any which ways.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3061279]The way I see it is when my pecker is inside a girl's mouth or pussy, it a 1. 5 M /2 M session going to be that much significantly better than a Classic one? I personally cannot justify that type of premium for me. Thanks for your intel though as it confirms that I'll pass on this place.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3061279]The way I see it is when my pecker is inside a girl's mouth or pussy, it a 1. 5 M /2 M session going to be that much significantly better than a Classic one? I personally cannot justify that type of premium for me. Thanks for your intel though as it confirms that I'll pass on this place.[/QUOTE]Since Emporium is reported as CBJ and CFS service, technically your pecker is never really inside anything other than a wrapper. The only reason locals go to such places is because somebody else is paying for it as corporate entertainment.

[QUOTE=GentleSapien;3060681]Covered FS only I had, tipped 50 k only if I liked their service.[/QUOTE]You got the absolute bare minimum CFS experience at Classic. Tipping what you think is fair is your affair and not a matter for self-appointed officers of the ISG Price Police Tipping Division. Honestly, the recent commentary on "tipping" is all over the place. While one guy is saying that you should pay more tip for bare bones CFS service, others are "reluctantly" paying an additional premium of IDR300-400 k for less than satisfactory BBFS. For the latter, I don't really classify it as a tip, but rather an extortionate service charge, especially for that venue. In any case, I appreciate honest reports. So whatever a guy in the room next to mine is going to negotiate, do, manage and pay with a girl is their affair. It does not affect me and my game one bit. Enjoy, AR.

As there seem to be a few reports / queries on the club comparison topic let me give you my experience.

I went to all four clubs primarily out of dedication to the forum and providing good intel, because I fell in love with Classic right away. To be clear there are different offerings at the different venues (sauna vs tease club) and I only did the basic line up and pick method. I found Malio, Emporium, and 1001 all similar. Classic is different. Here's my decision chart. The following assumes that $100 and $20 are no different for you (have coin). If those are two very different numbers to you then Classic wins hands down.

Like a club vibe and loud music: Classic.

Just want to pick and fuck: One of the big 3.

Strong aversion to smoke: Big 3.

BBBJ is a must have: Classic (tho 1001 is the only club I got a hard stop on BBBJ).

Prefer the northern Asia aesthetic (lighter skin, taller, bigger tits): One of the big three. Although in classic T1 is best for this.

Bothered by super pushy mamasans: Don't go to Classic T2.

Most likely to get BBFS: Classic.

Want to just chill and observe in a laid back vibe: Classic T1.

Since I dont mind smoke, love a hopping club, like petite South Asian girls, able to deflect mamasans I Am a T2 guy through and thru, but have pulled hotties at T5 and like to go down to T1 to just chill.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3061415]Since Emporium is reported as CBJ and CFS service, [/QUOTE]I always got BBBJ for free at Emporium, though girls sometimes would try a CBJ. But just insisting on BBBJ was always enough.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3061451]I always got BBBJ for free at Emporium, though girls sometimes would try a CBJ. But just insisting on BBBJ was always enough.[/QUOTE]My experience was same. Her BJ wasn't great. But my emporium and Malio girls were both BBBJ. Only the 1001 girl insisted CBJ. To her credit she had the finest tits on planet earth! 😝.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3061279]The way I see it is when my pecker is inside a girl's mouth or pussy, it a 1. 5 M /2 M session going to be that much significantly better than a Classic one? I personally cannot justify that type of premium for me. Thanks for your intel though as it confirms that I'll pass on this place.[/QUOTE]To each their own. But there are clear benefits to Emporium. First, the average quality of girls is higher. Yes you can find hotties in Classic as good but you have to search. In Emporium its easy to find hotter girls, especially if taller lighter skinned is your preferences. Second, more likely to find a girl who speaks some English. This is important if you want to build some connection before fucking. Third, I enjoy the pool session. Making out with a hot 20 yo in a semi public setting in a pool for 30 minutes is added value to me. Fourth, service levels are guaranteed. BBBJ has always been standard and I have on occasion got BBFS as well, but its not as common as in Classic. And finally, the rooms are nicer, atmosphere is quieter, no smoke, no pushy mama sans etc.

If the whole point of this is to find a hole to stick your dick in at the lowest cost, then sure, Emporium is not for you. If you savor the whole experience and $100 won't set you back then I see the worth in it.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3061522]My experience was same. Her BJ wasn't great. But my emporium and Malio girls were both BBBJ. Only the 1001 girl insisted CBJ. To her credit she had the finest tits on planet earth! 😝.[/QUOTE]I had the same experience at 1001. You don't need to mention her name but did it start with an "A"? Just curious. I will need to check out Malio and Emporium next time.

[QUOTE=ParSeeker;3061569]I had the same experience at 1001. You don't need to mention her name but did it start with an "A"? Just curious. I will need to check out Malio and Emporium next time.[/QUOTE]No her name was Nicole. But I'm afraid it might be same all around. 1001 def has a rep for CBJ and apparently well earned. 😝.

As far as E and M, I definitely preferred the vibe at Emporium. The thing where u do pool time together is def sexy and a nice lead up. My girl was not super experienced but a hard worker. At Malio is was just pick a girl and fuck which is not my favorite approach. However I am not sure I understood about the sauna there. I thought they said that it’s just a regular sauna area not a girls club like Enporiim but I could be wrong due to language barrier. Anyone know if Malio has a similar pool scene like Emporium?

I have not had any complaints when tipping Classic girls 100 k. Uncovered blowjobs and if I stuck it in raw they wouldn't resist but I'm not stupid This is tipping them afterwards, I never talk tips beforehand. If they are asking 300 k or 400 k there is no chemistry or they think you are a little stupid.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3061279]The way I see it is when my pecker is inside a girl's mouth or pussy, it a 1. 5 M /2 M session going to be that much significantly better than a Classic one? I personally cannot justify that type of premium for me. Thanks for your intel though as it confirms that I'll pass on this place.[/QUOTE]I'm in the same boat, paying that much more for little upgrade. People will justify 1.5-2 M bang, but complain BBFS is not worth 300 K. I can't justify the 1 M+ either. Girls at 1001 weren't completely hotter than Travel / Classic. Facility doesn't justify the extra cost either.

Good thing we're all just strangers and each should enjoy paying, tipping, whatever on our earn income. Too bad I have to fly 30 hrs to enjoy this.

The hotel is asking for ID registration for all non staying guests. If you bring a girl, before entering the elevator security will approach you. This rule is effective since last two weeks apparently due to some incident of theft in one of the rooms by an alleged working girl who came in with a guest.

Gabacho. Where are you now? PM me.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3061581]No her name was Nicole. But I'm afraid it might be same all around. 1001 def has a rep for CBJ and apparently well earned. 😝.

As far as E and M, I definitely preferred the vibe at Emporium. The thing where u do pool time together is def sexy and a nice lead up. My girl was not super experienced but a hard worker. At Malio is was just pick a girl and fuck which is not my favorite approach. However I am not sure I understood about the sauna there. I thought they said that its just a regular sauna area not a girls club like Enporiim but I could be wrong due to language barrier. Anyone know if Malio has a similar pool scene like Emporium?[/QUOTE]Last time I visit 1001, BBBJ all the time. And you can always discuss this issue with the girl before you heading to the room. Empo same thing, before you head down to the pool you can talk with the girl.

Malio's sauna is literally a sanua, just like the sauna next to the empo's pool. Malio's experience is similar to 1001.

I'm here as well.

So I'm back for a short stay.

Got in around 8 pm and after settling at hotel, took a gojek to classic, some crazy prices on grab almost double.

Started in T2 about 10 pm, the place was heaving, no free tables, so had a mami find me one, seated on the right at a table with 2 other randoms, got a drink and had an ok view. Original mami and a 2nd started bringing over girls, was fine, I was lazy and I don't mind knocking back a few, after about 4 attempts got a nice girl, big tits and slim but not a rake, so a nice ass, firm not squishy so she works out a little or is just fortunate.

I was a little exhausted so I popped 1/2 a dick pill incase I could not keep up, age and travel can do that too me. I hindsight probably not required or only 1/4.

Eventually got a room, she is a bit new, a little English, but also got confused with the room location, so we went down the right side, when we should have been going to the rooms near the pool tables, anyway once in the room things progressed, shower together, bit of mutual wash and playing with those tits was great, onto bed and was a mostly GFE session nice kissing fondling and sucking, room ad a nice full wall mirror, BBBJ was good, me lying down, her lying down with me kneeling above, me standing and her knelling, she took me deep a couple time choking herself, so an Anfor effort. CFS which is my choice generally though I am on prep and doxy, mish to start followed by doggy, which was really good, should have let myself blow then, but want to extend the action, so then her on top, then had her stand leaning against the mirror and took her from behind, some really great views and her large tits bouncing everywhere was great.

But then the pill kicked in and killed the sensitivity too much. Few more positions but got tired, pulled out to rest and she thought I finished, wanted to end the session, asked for a BJ, she wanted shower first then back on bed for a BJ, but she was getting tired, she went to stick me in raw, which given the pill I probably would have, but I checked with her and she probably thought I asked her to put a condom on, any way fucked for a bit more, then the room dudes called about 15 minutes early and she jump off exclaiming session finished. So that was that.

She was nice, attentive etc, but I think I wore her out a bit and taking the dick pill I shot myself in the foot as it took me too far the other way.

I gave her 100 extra, because the bulk of the session was above average and not finishing was my fault.

Checked out and total damage was 500,000 inc the tip.

So it was about midnight, and instead of going back to the hotel, I decided to check out T5, much quieter when I arrived but within 20 minutes had filled up. Got myself a table and ordered a drink and started checking out the girls, same process here actually spotted a couple and had a mami laser them, but up close they were not quite right, mami lasers a couple more, but they were not quite there either, eventually though got a nice one, right body shape just not as firm as the T2 girl, but she looked the part boobs were small be's. She obviously had been working for a while, spoke decent English and I practiced my limited bahasa, learnt a couple words. Then to the room, similar MO to earlier, except she was much more confident, maybe a little more PSE, probably slightly kooky. Started off with kissing and sucking her tits, playing with her pussy, then on to BBBJ, she could take me deep and had a nice action, though their was just a hint of tooth, but then she pushed my legs back and worked on the taint and balls, not a full on rimming but still good, then back to BJ, and just had her keep going for 10-15, until she complained her mouth was sore, started in mish and she was very tight, also very flexible, had her feet up at her ears then wrapped around me like a limpet, went at it like that til I started to fade, had her jump on top and she knows how to bounce and grind, she contorted herself to be able to do a full shaft bounce, while sucking my nipples while I played with hers, this time I let myself blow when I felt it coming, she felt it too and put on a good act of having a big O herself, was a faster session maybe only 40-45 so did not get the call before we left the room. Tipped 100 k and she was happy with that.

So day one down, I have vague plans for the day today, will see what happens.

You're in mongerrring. Jimmy.

Last year I had a blast at Classic's. Not this year. It's not so much the upselling for tips when I want BB. It's the unavailability of 8's as far as I'm concerned. An 8 barely touches ground between sessions. Very often she is not even visible. She waits in the backroom, from which she emerges to make a bee-line to a table where some customers are waiting.

I only went bareback twice this time, as I am reluctant to risk infection with any girl who is only a 7. To me a 7 is not worth risking an STD for, an 8 is.

As expected from the moment I heard of the demolition I knew it won't be as great as before. Number of prosys tanked by ID say 25 percent. There's like 50 m more emptiness than before. The rooms are rather far for my taste from the girls sitting area. The tents not but they get hot very fast which lead to lesser quality of shags.

Lighting is bad can't see most of the girls without having one of the brokers (joki? Mataman?) lighting them up or a train coming by.

Gone is the alley (gang royal) with music and good lighting. Iirc 2023. Gone are the rooms two times. 23 and 25.

Attitudes still excellent in royal tho in the late evening its deteriorating more than before ID say. Which is understandable, bc getting fucked in an oven tent just drains more energy.

Royal bled horribly but I still think its worth it. It just takes more adjustments and effort to approach similar value as one used to get. BBFS heaven it still is assuming I'm good in thinking internationally.

Wsg now posts about it and the clientele seems to shift from purely local to more and more foreigners. Which is not a bad thing per se but I think it will remove economic leverage and lessen quality eventually.

Take classic for example. Must have been a paradise once but now its a prosy heaven for extracting tips from not only noobs but even expats for what is probably standard service for locals BBFS cip DFK BBBJ lmao.

Two for 500 k deal would be an excellent af deal if it wasn't for the godforsaken attitudes. Tried my best but just couldn't execute with success. ID love to send these in bulk really but the force just not with me.

Went 3 x there classic (money extraction hall or hall of leeches).

1 tried cold point and shoot threesome just so I did it. Ended in like 10 min both insisting on wrapper for sex. 1 of them even for BJ lmao. I just put my clothes back on and go upstairs, waste of time. Good thing is ill never waste time thinking about doing this by point and shoot again as that fantasy has finally been crushed.

2 asked 9 prosys for BBFS got denied 6 x and got 3 x approved to move on. With one time getting leeched off of 100 k. Took my sweet time until phone ring always.

3 asked 3 prosys for BBFS got 0 went to spa to get frustration off for wasted time energy and a bit of change.

Price just isn't 365 k. Either waste time billbreaking, get 10 k upcharged for each session by paying with Mastercard or have fun trying to get your change back (never tried this one personally) so choose your suffering. They don't have 1 k bills or coins but yet every godforsaken convenience store does. I know its 5 eurocents but why would you not round to my advantage. Never argued just letting frustration off.

Jonisteak 100 m from there sure is good salmon and import Aussie I had. They didn't give enough sides but main dishes 5-7€. So I had two mains.

1 week in bekasi regency. Swiss belinn hotel. Good. Can be had for 16€ before taxes I think but had closer to 20€ personally. Maybe ill try sm hotel next time idk yet.

Did 7 prosys in the cafe area, (pulau nymuk?

More local more relaxed. Better lighting, better rooms, good music, same as old royal but maybe 60 percent the size of the glorious royal. The loingering around is a bit annoying. Food options super limited and I suffered. I got refused quite a lot. Will try again eventually.

Bulk of prosys I did in royal yet again. Didn't get insane volume there in my 10 ish days there. 25 x but 4 x were reps so 21 new prosys for the book really.

No next trip planned but I think 12+ months until next.

Last frontier in Asia. I hope royal returns to former glory.

Usually I attract negative posts so just let me ask this preemptively. Did you already set your alarm clock to go to work and are you having fun smoking yourself up for some hos?

OS goes to Classic.

After reading every one of the five million, four hundred and twenty thousand reviews of Classic here. OS finally arrived at the famous Classic hotel.

Day 1.

I arrived by bluebird taxi, these are the taxi's that are blue. If the taxi is yellow, then it is not a bluebird.

I was looking very snappy in my new shorts and favourite Hawaiian shirt and I got some new long white socks to impress the girls. I could tell security were impressed so I used google translate to tell them I wanted a 9 who would do DFK and BBFS. They looked confused but asked me for some tips. I gave them all 1000 Rp of special notes that I got for tipping.

I made my entrance and the mama immediately brought me a very beautiful girl. I asked if she would DFK me on translate and showed her my big bundle of 1000 rp notes. I could tell she was excited even though she was pretending to be bored. All I could think about as she yawned was the BBBJ that would fit in there.

She really liked me this girl and after we got down to the room she smiled and pulled a four liter can of acetone from her bag and wiped down my gigantic erection. I was so excited. Then she bagged me up and with a wink slipped me in, only stopping after that to ask me if I was inside her and then again when she orgasmed.

I had set my alarm for 50 minutes and showed it to the room boy and told him on translate not to fuck with me. He asked for a tip so I gave him 1000. The phone rang after 20 minutes. The girl was already dressed and pacing back and forth. I knew from reading on this forum that it was tip time so I gave her 2000 rp, she started muttering in Indonesian so I gave her 1000 more. She showed me on translate that acetone is expensive but I needed to buy a new toothbrush so no more tips for you baby.

After that I paid my bill and felt like getting an enema. The cashier said the wooden paddle was an enema discount voucher that was only available at classic cashier. I wasn't happy when the security took my voucher from me and I told them so by translate. They asked me for tips.

Tomorrow I will come back and have a threesome. The girl will probably have told her friends about me so I am very much looking forward to it. I will write about my erotic adventures here to help all the Jakarta newbies who don't yet have my extensive understanding about how this place works.

One question I have for the hundreds of thousands of mongers who have helped me with information about Classic, I am thinking about staying here but does anybody know if it is girl friendly?

Bienenstich,

What's a prosys? Which Royal are you talking about?

[QUOTE=Safado70;3061929]What's a prosys? Which Royal are you talking about?[/QUOTE]Prosys is a prostitute. Royal refers to Royal Gedong Panjang (aka train station or train tracks). With even more demolition in progress, only 10-15% of the original setup remains. Not for the faint of heart, especially a solo monger. For those unable to seriously gird their loins before climbing up a ladder to access the tracks, I would suggest to go to Classic like everybody else. Enjoy, AR.

[QUOTE=XXL;3061858]Last year I had a blast at Classic's. Not this year. It's the unavailability of 8's as far as I'm concerned. An 8 barely touches ground between sessions. Very often she is not even visible. She waits in the backroom, from which she emerges to make a bee-line to a table where some customers are waiting.[/QUOTE]Sounds like the cat is out of the bag already with Classic. Now I'm much less excited about it (will be in Jakarta next week for the first time). So what's the best strategy to snag the 8's that are hiding in the backroom? Tipping the mamasans to get her to bring her 8's out of the backroom? I may try the strategy of getting there early and just be on the lookout for the 8's as they arrive and snatch them as soon as I seem them. Any one know if the girls arrive through the same door us guys use or do they have some backdoor they slip through?

[QUOTE=XXL;3061858]I only went bareback twice this time, as I am reluctant to risk infection with any girl who is only a 7. To me a 7 is not worth risking an STD for, an 8 is.[/QUOTE]That's my MO as well. If she is not an 8 or above, its not worth it shelling out the extra cash and risking STD.

[QUOTE=Bienenstich;3061893]As expected from the moment I heard of the demolition I knew it won't be as great as before. Number of prosys tanked by ID say 25 percent. There's like 50 m more emptiness than before. The rooms are rather far for my taste from the girls sitting area. The tents not but they get hot very fast which lead to lesser quality of shags.[/QUOTE]Personally I'm more excited about Royal than Classic to be honest. Shame that the area is getting demolitioned. Fingers crossed I find some quality girls when I get there. Can't imagine myself going to Classic every night.

[QUOTE=Bienenstich;3061893]Did 7 prosys in the cafe area, (pulau nymuk?

More local more relaxed. Better lighting, better rooms, good music, same as old royal but maybe 60 percent the size of the glorious royal. The loingering around is a bit annoying. Food options super limited and I suffered. I got refused quite a lot. Will try again eventually.[/QUOTE]The cafe area you are referring to, is it Tenda Biru? I actually learned of Tenda Biru through some Japanese guys' YT videos. The place is also high my list of places to check out. I haven't written anything useful for a while so I will have a trip report on Jakarta in the coming weeks. Bienenstich, can you clarify on the "I got refused quite a lot" part? Refused by the girls for sessions? Or are you referring to something else?

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;3061924]I gave them all 1000 Rp of special notes that I got for tipping.

One question I have for the hundreds of thousands of mongers who have helped me with information about Classic, I am thinking about staying here but does anybody know if it is girl friendly?[/QUOTE]1000 IDR = 5 USA Cents = or 1 USA Nickel.

Hmmm. A brothel inside a hotel that isn't girl friendly. What do you think?

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;3061924]OS goes to Classic.

After reading every one of the five million, four hundred and twenty thousand reviews of Classic here. OS finally arrived at the famous Classic hotel.

...

One question I have for the hundreds of thousands of mongers who have helped me with information about Classic, I am thinking about staying here but does anybody know if it is girl friendly?[/QUOTE]Excellent report.

I've never stayed at Classic myself (I travel with my own tent and camp by the train tracks. I think some of you guys might have entered my tent with your girl in tow by accident), but others have reported that girls aren't always all that friendly with regards to continuing the coffee date in your room once they know you're staying at Classic.

[QUOTE=XXL;3061858] Very often she is not even visible. She waits in the backroom, from which she emerges to make a bee-line to a table where some customers are waiting.[/QUOTE]Exactly what I saw as well, I was thinking they might be regulars or some kind of serious spenders.

Using apps was not much useful, in fact it drains time. I think these are for one who stays longer. But will share what I have seen.

Michat:

As others mentioned not a dating app, you will get lot of requests after signup using local number based on the nearby feature. But most of the contacts there run by admin (a guy?) who might be managing many contacts. Lot of requests are rejected for asking video call or asking to meet nearby.

There is a suggestion for video call here, but in profile, photos will be with heavy filters and during call face would be without filters then thinking whether same face or not takes some time and call would finish meanwhile in 10 seconds or so. So I was in confusion sometimes.

Also requests varies based on the location we stay.

TanTan:

Tried this one as per some suggestion here, it will match some people as well. But most of them won't reply or fade away after initial conversation. I was able to connect with one, asked for evening coffee date and by the time of reaching due to traffic it became dinner and she turned out be too skinny not to my liking. Hence spent on dinner + return travel cost.

This one might be based on one's looks or personality like any other dating app.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;3062018]1000 IDR = 5 USA Cents = or 1 USA Nickel.

Hmmm. A brothel inside a hotel that isn't girl friendly. What do you think?[/QUOTE]Aha! A new candidate for the invitation only Grab Feel service.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3062019]Excellent report.

I've never stayed at Classic myself (I travel with my own tent and camp by the train tracks. I think some of you guys might have entered my tent with your girl in tow by accident), but others have reported that girls aren't always all that friendly with regards to continuing the coffee date in your room once they know you're staying at Classic.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the kind words.

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You took the escalator.

The mama brought you a girl.

You tipped 50,000.

You took the free enema offer.

Statements about your personal preferences are also highly valued by other members, they always make for riveting reading and OS can also provide a wide selection of bland one liners for this purpose.

During my current trip in Jakarta, I've met an annoyingly high number of girls who would allow BBFS but no CIP. I asked five of them after sex if they were using contraceptives. One was using and we agreed on CIP for our next meeting. But the other 4 claimed that they were not using any contraceptives. Are these girls out of their fucking mind? How can they trust a complete stranger to pull out in time? And this in a country where abortion is illegal and having a child out of wedlock is extremely frowned upon.

Or are they lying and I'm just naive to believe them?

And a question for the guys with a vasectomy, in situations like that, how often were you able to talk the girl into CIP by telling her about your vasectomy? I am so tired of this shit I think I will get one too.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3062081]During my current trip in Jakarta, I've met an annoyingly high number of girls who would allow BBFS but no CIP. I asked five of them after sex if they were using contraceptives. One was using and we agreed on CIP for our next meeting. But the other 4 claimed that they were not using any contraceptives. Are these girls out of their fucking mind? How can they trust a complete stranger to pull out in time? And this in a country where abortion is illegal and having a child out of wedlock is extremely frowned upon.

Or are they lying and I'm just naive to believe them?

And a question for the guys with a vasectomy, in situations like that, how often were you able to talk the girl into CIP by telling her about your vasectomy? I am so tired of this shit I think I will get one too.[/QUOTE]Simple! They have to pay for the contraceptive. It's called KB, Keluarga Berencana. A lot of these girls don't actually have the money to allocate to getting it done so they take the risk. Please don't think they are taking the piss because for so many, especially the new girls the choice is between eating or using KB.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3062081]During my current trip in Jakarta, I've met an annoyingly high number of girls who would allow BBFS but no CIP. I asked five of them after sex if they were using contraceptives. One was using and we agreed on CIP for our next meeting. But the other 4 claimed that they were not using any contraceptives. Are these girls out of their fucking mind? How can they trust a complete stranger to pull out in time? And this in a country where abortion is illegal and having a child out of wedlock is extremely frowned upon.

Or are they lying and I'm just naive to believe them?

And a question for the guys with a vasectomy, in situations like that, how often were you able to talk the girl into CIP by telling her about your vasectomy? I am so tired of this shit I think I will get one too.[/QUOTE]For some years after a vasectomy you have small scars (one on either side) to show for it. Mine are long gone.

Apologies for a rambling report.

Day 2 started a bit slow, not a great sleep after the travel day and then 2 sessions, but managed to head out in the afternoon.

I was intrigued by a post MrMiyaG who reviewed several massage places, namely Glow Mangga besar, apparently they had a package where they provide a vibrator.

Glow is opposite Travel, so pretty easy to find, when I rock up the guy at reception is asleep, so had to wake him to get a what's what, zero English, so a lot of hand gestures and my minimal Bahasa, and he shows me the available girls on a phone, no live lineup available, tried asking several times, maybe if I offered a tip. The place was also dead, no other customers, though when I left another guy was being walked in.

Eventually settled on a girl and chose the top package Boomtor (610 k) with the vibrator add-on, now I assumed each girl would have her own toy, but not so, this is a communal vibrator, make of that what you will.

Anyway, not all girls apparently are will to use the toy, so picked one that did.

The rooms are a little rough, if you are used to classic or emporium then this is not that, not the worst I have been in though, just a bit down market. If you have been to Thailand think of some of the mid low end ST rooms in Pattaya.

I get led to the room and left there, the door has a flimsy little lock but at least it has aircon and its own shower. And then I wait for 10 minutes! For the girl to arrive, now she could have been hideous, but was actually probably a 6-7 petite but enough roundness visible, face was pleasant enough. Then it got odd, she pulled out translate and asked what package I ordered, I told her, then she said I cannot do, and asked me to pick another girl, pulled out her phone and flipped through the girls, and recommended another, now this was a girl that was no to vibrators, but I was already bit off on the whole communal toy scenario, I'm not sure what their sanitation protocols are.

Anyway, girl one leaves and no I am waiting for girl 2, and to be honest I am thinking of bailing out now as its feeling a bit dodgy, but I wait it out and girl 2 shows up, now her body is probably an 8, but her face is a 5, its not terrible but she has a bit of buck tooth, but she is friendly enough, minimal English to my minimal Bahasa, we use translate to talk.

They have only given us 1 towel, so she calls for another, we wait for a bit but nothing comes, so she offers to give me a massage first. Its average. She tries to blow me but can't fit the head in, this is not to say I'm hung like a horse, but she just seemed incapable of opening her mouth very wide, so weird, I thinks its because she kept tensing her jaw instead of relaxing, but trying to teach technique in another language is hard.

Anyway BBBJ was a bust. She then points at the vibrator sitting on the side and asks what it is, I explain, and then she is curious and want to try it out, the controls on it are fucked, but eventually get to to work, its basically a knock off wand, but the buttons don't work as expected. Anyway got it to a low hum and played with her a bit, she seemed to enjoy it some. But got abit boring for me.

On to the fucking and again, size was apparently an issue, tried a few positions but by this time I had completely checked out of the session and tapped out, had not been quite an hour and you get 90 minutes, but I just showered and dressed.

She did not ask for a tip could probably tell it was not a great session.

Out front the guy is really vague about payment, sitting on his phone, so I just book a grab then show him my car is almost at the door and he gets the picture, I pay cash but you ca also do a qrcode / transfer thing.

In hindsight I should have bailed when I had to pick from a phone, but I pushed on through, then its just luck of the draw, no body language to try and guide you. Would I return, no, better value at other locations and a better environment.

So disappointed there and wanting a better massage, decided to hit classic spa, I turn up and so are about 20+ girls being dropped off, its about 4. 30 pm, I head down to the spa and get changed, then hit the steam room and pool to reset myself.

Head in to the bar area and to the counter and order a massage (legit one). Off to the room, and wait for the therapist. She turns up and is pretty hot, well built and a solid 8, strip off and she gives me a legit great massage, has good strength, only a fraction of teasing, until the flip and she does some inner thigh work which gets a bit of movement. She offers "special" massage, but then clarifies, no sex and I ask BJ and she says no on HJ, and wants 300 k, but she will take off her top and I can touch her boobs for 600 K, I laugh and say tidal, terimah kasigh and she finishes off the very good massage, she does try again one last time, but I am not interested. I can fuck a spa girl for 600 k. I do tip her 50 k because the massage was legit great, I had some really tight glutes hammys and calfs from an overload of sport last week.

I head back out to the bar and get a seat so I can observe the girls. I just wanted a sparkling water, but they only have alcohol, sprite and coke, so got a coke, that probably not great for flushing the toxins from the massage but anyway.

I observed for a while and there were 1-2 potentials, but not worth 600 k, was just about to leave and a solid 9 (at least to me) in the face walked in, very rare, easily outshone the girls around her, so, its possibly she was a high 8 and the surrounding 6's just elevated her. She was tall, and slim, probably too slim for me, she had that skinny model look, she was very nice looking, Gigi I think she said her name was. Anyway, decided I would pay the 600 k and bang her. Her English was quite good, and she was very pleasant, lovely smile.

Off to the room, once we settle she gets out the condom and lube, she knows what she is about, strips off and as I suspected she has almost no tits, padded bra and also chicken fillets in there, anyway not completely flat, quick wash in the shower, makes sure I am clean, then gives herself a thorough wash, really goes to town on her pussy, that should have clued me into something coming up.

I'm lying on the bed in my most seductive pose and she is straight in and between my legs, and starts giving a very decent BBBJ not quite full DT but a respectable effort, deep enough that you get that little tingle which lets you know that she could take you all the way.

She gives maybe 5 minutes of that and then reaches of the condom, I normally like to play around a bit more first, but to be honest I'm feeling wore out after that massage so happy to move things along, she lubes me up and slips me in and rides me for a while, but were not getting the right rhythm so we switch to mish, and that's when I get a whiff of fish, so she has a smelly puss, lucky I had nt stuck any fingers or a tongue in there, go for a bit in mish, but keep getting whiffs of fish, I get some DFK in mish though and she is passionate and can kiss well and has nice full lips so that's a plus and almost gets me there.

There is a nice mirror on the wall and enough space to stand so I have here put her hand on the mirroe and stick her ass out and we do standing doggy, I ask her to look at me in the mirror while I'm fucking her and the optics are good, also pleasantly minimal fish whiff so I just ride it out and finish looking at that pretty face looking at me making pretty good I'm enjoying you fuck me faces.

All done and she removes the condom and we collapse on the bed for 5 before she showers and then I do. Out the door in 30 minutes probably, maybe 35, no tip requested or given, It was basic service and I blew my wad, was defiantly an optics fuck, and she was perfectly lovely apart from the smelly pussy, she appeared willing to take directions if you wanted to make more of the session.

All in bill came to 1. 1 mil including tax and 3% card fee, and I probably spent 3. 5 hrs there. Back to my hotel and in the car got serious hunger pangs, like ravenous, where you start to feel a little crazy, got to remember to eat, should have grabbed something at classic.

Anyway day 2 dusted.

I am probably just going to hit classic tomorrow, I have tried one new place so far and it was a bust, maybe I should try the Kota Indah complex.

Yours in mongering. Jimmy.

P.S., this site is giving me the shits with how flaky it is, trying to post stuff, get kicked out, go on a login loop.

Day 3.

Had been chatting with ISG member XXL and we were going to catch up for breakfast, but I had some stuff come up over night which I needed to deal with in the morning, so tentatively suggested meeting at classic later, but unfortunately XXL was not feeling up to it later. So my solo adventures continue.

Most of my morning was spent sorting out some work / life stuff, then I headed to the big mall at grand indonisia for some shopping, needed to pick up some things for the non mongering part of my trip, that place is huge. Back to the hotel and a light dinner.

I contacted David at emporium, asked him what's the go there and he gave me the following.

Price.

V 2. 050 K.

Be 1. 550 K.

60 minutes room +30 minutes pool together.

I asked why the price hike and he explained, 200 k automatic tip included, though this was there last year too plus V girls require VIP room 270 k,which was also there last year, but maybe not as much, can't remember off the top of my head.

Anyway, prices are not adding up quite right, and he has alluded to some kind of reduced pricing, so I might have to actually go and check it out.

I actually enjoy the whole experience there (even though its pricer, its not really the actual $ figure, its more that my personality likes to find good deals, but then I'll go and drop a couple grand on a new iPhone at retail because I want to, so I am a contradiction, even too myself), I have had some good chats with David, he's an amenable fella, good customer relations.

Enough rambles, I head off to the known local of classic, but a bit earlier, like 7 pm, starting in t2 its quieter, less smokey band and dancers alternating on stage.

I manage to dodge the mama's, had to quick walk out of their clutches, and settled myself near the bar and ordered a drink, but given it was light on customers, the mama's started there approaches, knocked back quite a few see and be team offerings, I was actually not planning to accept any and was going to do a circuit once I had finished my drink, but on the 4-5th showing, one girl looked interesting, a bit taller, little bit fuller, not unattractive and seemed a happy sort, so gave her the nod.

She was pretty affectionate in the club, different from some of the girls who just stand there like a pole, arms around me, little kisses on my face, bit of grinding, all positive signs you would think, so I give the OK to go to the room.

In the room, the vide started to feel a bit off, not sure what it was, same process as usual, wash up, onto the bed, but no affection (real or fake), bit of touchy / feely, no kissing, turned her head away each time, I'the not asked in the bar as she had seemed the affectionate type and had been giving me little kisses, my mistake.

BBBJ for a bit, nothing special, had her lying down and blow me so I could fondle her body, but the body language was just all off, so we moved onto the main event, started with her in mish, and she had her eyes squeezed shut and a grimace on her face, so that turned me right off and started going soft, pulledout out and my dick was like a noodle, manage to get semi hard again and tried her on top, no good, tried her in doggy while the view was OK, I could hear her making little whimper sounds, so I was done.

Weird thing was whenever I was not fucking her she was all cheery and smiling and being bit silly, could be a defensive thing, but for me the whole vibe was off, so I just called time, lay on the bed for a bit and she lay with me rested her head on my chest for a bit, tried talking but I just could not make the effort to engage, into the shower and back out to the bar. She half heartedly asked for a tip, but I think she knew the answer, shook my head gave her a hug and we went our separate ways.

Sometimes it just does not work, not a bad girl, just vibe died, and I think she was trying to mimic that weird Japanese yip yip porn noise and it just came over weird.

I was almost tempted to call it a night, my vibe had been well and truly killed, but I got myself a table and ordered a drink, some quite attractive dancers were making the table rounds so I had a perv, while I had my drink. Knocked back a few mami's too, just wanted to try resent myself.

Eventually 2 dances came a plopped themselves in my lap asking for shots, I said no, been there done that, but what ensued has not happened to me here before, usually they just disappear off to the next likely mark, but they stayed and upped their game, grinding on me, touching me up, moving my Hands over them, basically everything they do when you actually buy them a shot, this went on for over 5 minutes, maybe closer to 10, I could not seem to get rid of them, every so often they would ask again, and I'the say no, then point at another table and say look they want to buy you a shot, but they would just redouble their efforts, smothered me with kisses, it was so bizarre, maybe they were just bored and decided to play with the Bule, what was weird was both the shots carrier and then the mami who watches over the girls just sat there and let them go at me. I kept telling them no not interested. Eventually they both gave me a full on pash and wandered off to the back room, So very bizarre, considering I had earlier watched a guy get less time with 2 girls and buy them 4 shorts each.

Mami's descended again, including one who brought the earlier girl I was with back, which she freaked out over, was quite funny, when she saw it was me at the table she tried to do a runner, but the mami chased her down, she was with a friend who was quite well put together, face was a 6 but body an 8, but she seemed to delight in her friends discomfort, tried to get me to take her and her friend again to the room, while the first girl tried to get me to take just her friend.

I just did not feel it though, so I rejected them, finished my drink and went for a circuit, got a handful of smiles, but they were mostly 6 and below to me, I did see several 8's and possibly a 9 (to me but its dark so hard to tell) but they were already partnered up, and as has been mentioned, I don't think those top tiers are out on the floor, the mami's seem to bring them out for the VIPS.

Nothing on the couches excited me so I checked out and decided to see if anything was happening at T5, it was about 9 pm.

I enter T5 and it's very quiet, there is a large group on the couches near the toilets, and maybe 10-15 others dotted around on tables.

I go immediately to the girls and take a look, a couple of potentials, the girl from day one spots me from the tiered seating and give me a wave, she still looks pretty good, I am not sure about repeating, but if no-one else jumps out at me, I move on to the other couches and again a couple possibles, but none that scream take me know, like the good looking girl from the spa.

I make my way back to the first tiered seating bank and grab a table, and wave down a waitress for a drink.

There is a girl who looks like she has huge tits, and a decent frame, not large, make her look like she is going to topple over, but she has a scowling expression, couple of mami's approach and try to entice me, by bringing over a couple girls, they are not bad, but not stand out either, so wave them off. They group on the couches get a whole room lineup, and I mean every girl off all the couches, 3 rows deep 20 girls wide, intense, the mami's orchestrate a rotation so all girls are at the front for a bit, most are sent back as expected but a few remain unpicked.

I was kind of hoping the girl I had bene with already would get picked as then it would force me to make a different choice and I was thinking about scowling big boobs, as that could be fun. But she was not picked, they had some odd choices in my opinion, but just goes to show, what I like is not what you might like.

I eventually cave and wave at the girl from day one to come down, she's wearing a white lace sarong and g string, showing of her ass to good affect, she comes and gives me a hug and kiss, then starts talking rapidly in Bahasa, so cracked out the translate and let her chat away, and she is asking if I want her help to choose another girl, or would I like her. Interesting. I tell her I like her, but if she wants to invite a friend I'll take them both, she shakes her head, and says she does not like threesomes, OK, good to know, so I tell her I am happy with just her then, which she seems pleased about, she is very affectionate, and she likes to sing along with the music, appears to know the words to every song played, we both get handsy at the table and she helps me drink my beer, first girl that's happy to just drink from the same mug, I have stopped buying drinks for girls, 90% barley even touch them.

She gets a serious face at one point and asks if the mami tried to get me to take her friend, and if I rejected her, I think there was a girl up in the same group as her who was waved down, I was not sure where this was going, so was honest and said, yes mami thought I would like her because she has big tits, but she was not my type so I sent her back to the couch, and she seemed happy about that, some sort of pecking order thing.

Anyway we are off to the room, and session starts as usual, wash up onto the bed, but the vibe is much better, both of us more relaxed, we've been here before, I guess that's a bonus of a repeat, she wraps around me like a limpet and we get some kissing and sucking done, and then she's onto the BJ, similar MO to last time, but a bit more into it, part PSE part GFE, bit of rimming thrown in again, a bit less tooth this time too.

Then she is ready and wants me to start in mish, but then she throws me a curve ball and asks if I want the condom, so I throw it back to her, do she want it, and she shakes her head, interesting, she tells me she likes me, as if that answers everything, so I clarify with her about health, and she says she is checked by and has had jabs, I know I am clean, and I am take as much precaution as possible. So I throw caution to the wind and go in raw. I don't need BBFS, I am capable of performing without a condom, but it does make a difference, and so we proceed to fuck like bunnies, eventually very sweaty bunnies, all the usually positions, having her in doggy is great, she has a nice back arch, and facing he mirror could get both views, eventually finished CIP in prone, and we both collapsed. I have no idea if she finished, somewhere in all of that we probably went at it for 20 minutes or so, we were both slicked with sweat, just lay back in the after glow, while she dabbed me down with tissues and then stroked my brow, proper GFE finish.

We chat for a little bit, and then it's time up, we get cleaned up, and dressed and there is no request for a tip, she did ask me on the first session. So just before we walk out I pull out 200 k and present it to her, she actually seemed shocked, and asks "for me, really?" And then proceeds to smother me in kisses, and tells me she really likes me. I don't know, could be some crazy mind games going on.

Anyway, very good session, no crazy upsell for BBFSCIP, probably on the riskier side for me, though I do prep and doxy, plus other vaccinations are all up to date, so we will see in a few weeks when I get my post trip tests.

Probably not as crazy and the girl who told me she had syph, just as I was sticking it in, managed to dodge a bullet on that one.

Man it's frustrating trying to post here, I may not bother after this one.

Jimmy.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;3061924] I knew from reading on this forum that it was tip time so I gave her 2000 rp, she started muttering in Indonesian so I gave her 1000 more.[/QUOTE]WTF is up with this HiSo AF Hijinks? So all it takes is a little muttering in Indonesian (aka Bahasa for those in the know) for thirsty mongers to cough up an extra 50% tip? Throwing out bank at that rate, everybody will end up downgrading from Grab Feel to Gojek Grope. Next thing you know riding BB will be off the table and drivers will expect us to wear gloves without a generous tip.

I'm not the biggest fan of travel Hotel, but went there anyway a few days ago with another ISG member while we were checking out the rest of the area. The back room was packed with girls. I've never seen so many girls on this place. Probably more than in classic. I didn't pick a girl so I can't say anything about the service. But I think the sheer number of girls makes a visit worthwhile.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3062081]During my current trip in Jakarta, I've met an annoyingly high number of girls who would allow BBFS but no CIP. I asked five of them after sex if they were using contraceptives. One was using and we agreed on CIP for our next meeting. But the other 4 claimed that they were not using any contraceptives. Are these girls out of their fucking mind? How can they trust a complete stranger to pull out in time? And this in a country where abortion is illegal and having a child out of wedlock is extremely frowned upon.

Or are they lying and I'm just naive to believe them?

And a question for the guys with a vasectomy, in situations like that, how often were you able to talk the girl into CIP by telling her about your vasectomy? I am so tired of this shit I think I will get one too.[/QUOTE]It's not only Jakarta and uneducated peasants. Last summer I was banging a nurse at one of the sex shops in Bangkok. After some back and forth she agreed to BB for an extra 1,000 I think it was.

Afterwards we got to talking, and she asked if I was not scared about sex without condom. I didn't care to elaborate too much, as I figured she would have no idea what I was talking about anyway, but answered I wasn't too worried as there was some medicine you could take, like a vaccine. Well, turned out the girl was a nurse who was working at the sex shop this month, and one or two more months, as she needed money for something (or so she said), and knew exactly what I was talking about, and was taking the same hiv prep herself she said.

She also said she would have to go and buy some emergency contraceptive now because of me. I told her I'd had a vasectomy, so she didn't really need to, but she said she was not sure she could believe me. Told her I understood, and up to her of course, but wondered why she was working here, and not using contraceptives? She said she used condoms with everyone else (haha). So why was she using prep, if she was always using condoms with everyone? "To be safe". But not safe about getting pregnant? She seemed to see the illogic of this, but only chuckled.

No, I don't get it either. :-/

Of those who agreed to BB, I can only remember two who refused CIP and presumably did not trust me about the vasectomy. I'm slightly surprised anyone trusts me actually (a complete stranger). There's even been reports by idiots here admitting they're lying to girls about having had a vasectomy in order to get CIP, so I'm sure there are plenty of idiots like that around. So, most seem to accept me on my word, but by population sample is not very big yet though, as I only got the vasectomy two years ago, and until then was always using condom (or if it was a non-p4p girl, forcing her to swallow the morning after pill after every meeting).

[QUOTE=Uphill69;3062099]Apologies for a rambling report.

Head in to the bar area and to the counter and order a massage (legit one). Off to the room, and wait for the therapist. She turns up and is pretty hot, well built and a solid 8, strip off and she gives me a legit great massage, has good strength, only a fraction of teasing, until the flip and she does some inner thigh work which gets a bit of movement. She offers "special" massage, but then clarifies, no sex and I ask BJ and she says no on HJ, and wants 300 k, but she will take off her top and I can touch her boobs for 600 K, I laugh and say tidal, terimah kasigh and she finishes off the very good massage, she does try again one last time, but I am not interested. I can fuck a spa girl for 600 k. I do tip her 50 k because the massage was legit great, I had some really tight glutes hammys and calfs from an overload of sport last week.
[/QUOTE]Good read. I guess I need to rtff a bit more, as I assumed the massages at Classic would all be very crappy, and just an excuse to sell an expensive HJ. Cheap and decent thai massage is one of the things I miss when traveling from Thailand to Jakarta, so if that's available at Classic, and you were not just lucky and got a girl who knows how to massage, I'm going to take advantage of that post my T2-sessions on my upcoming trip. Do you remember the massage price or the name of the girl?

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3062143]Good read. I guess I need to rtff a bit more, as I assumed the massages at Classic would all be very crappy, and just an excuse to sell an expensive HJ. Cheap and decent thai massage is one of the things I miss when traveling from Thailand to Jakarta, so if that's available at Classic, and you were not just lucky and got a girl who knows how to massage, I'm going to take advantage of that post my T2-sessions on my upcoming trip. Do you remember the massage price or the name of the girl?[/QUOTE]Best non-sex massage I had in Asia was at Halomas Aloha (near Lokasari). Massage cost 120 k for 90 minutes. Those guys made my spine click into place at 3 different places! It's a dump, a bit of a shambles, dimly-lit, feels like an opium den. Easy-going atmosphere though, grows on you after a few visits. Masseurs not masseuses. The massages I'm used to in Pattaya are a joke in comparison.

Great report Uphill! Your rambling is WELCOME. Love all the detail and glad to learn something new. I never tried the Classic Spa and it's nice to know you can do some sauna and pool time without feeling harassed to go fuck. I will def give it a go.

On the drinks girls I had a similar experience with gogo girls at Bunny in Nana. Two girls on opposite sides of me working my dick. They ask for a drink and I decline. I thought they'the both leave. Instead they put on the full court press! I was really surprised. Ended up taking one and she was a great pull. So good for her being persistent.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3062163]Great report Uphill! Your rambling is WELCOME.[/QUOTE]Agree with Steve that we really need substantive posts. Well done Uphill and keep on contributing. Feel free to give zero fucks about the baiting post by self-appointed Safe Sex Police. Thanks, AR.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3062140]

She also said she would have to go and buy some emergency contraceptive now because of me. I told her I'd had a vasectomy, so she didn't really need to, but she said she was not sure she could believe me. Told her I understood, and up to her of course, but wondered why she was working here, and not using contraceptives? She said she used condoms with everyone else (haha). So why was she using prep, if she was always using condoms with everyone? "To be safe". But not safe about getting pregnant? She seemed to see the illogic of this, but only chuckled.
[/QUOTE]I just show them my vas scars. Not huge but they can still be seen and it reassures them that I actually had the op.

It must look amusing sometimes, me searching my balls for a tiny scar. My eyes aren't the best any more. 😁.

G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3062190]I just show them my vas scars. Not huge but they can still be seen and it reassures them that I actually had the op.

It must look amusing sometimes, me searching my balls for a tiny scar. My eyes aren't the best any more. 😁.

G.[/QUOTE]To the OP considering a vasectomy just do it! Frees the mind! And sooooo easy. I'the heard horror story's about weeks of frozen peas on your nuts. Can't go up stairs etc. Was a walk in the park for me. Hot lady doc takes 15 minutes to snip me under local anesthesia. Pay my $1300. And rock on. Took Tylenol for a week. That was it. Stitches fell out and voila I am shooting blanks. (Takes about 3 months to be fully clear actually. I did the follow up test and confirmed zero swimmers).

[QUOTE=Safado70;3062112]I'm not the biggest fan of travel Hotel, but went there anyway a few days ago with another ISG member while we were checking out the rest of the area. The back room was packed with girls. I've never seen so many girls on this place. Probably more than in classic. I didn't pick a girl so I can't say anything about the service. But I think the sheer number of girls makes a visit worthwhile.[/QUOTE]I've seen plenty of girls each time I've been there. I like the seedy atmosphere in the backroom with the sound of the live band in the entrance.

Too bad there are many reports saying the girls are lazy or unwilling to provide decent service in that place. Personally I've got a 50% good sessions record there so far (the other 50% is not good at all, only four girls in total).

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3062143]Good read. I guess I need to rtff a bit more, as I assumed the massages at Classic would all be very crappy, and just an excuse to sell an expensive HJ. Cheap and decent thai massage is one of the things I miss when traveling from Thailand to Jakarta, so if that's available at Classic, and you were not just lucky and got a girl who knows how to massage, I'm going to take advantage of that post my T2-sessions on my upcoming trip. Do you remember the massage price or the name of the girl?[/QUOTE]The massage price is 400 k. I don't remember if it's 60 min or 90, but all of the masseuses are older, you can't choose and I've always had a decent massage.

They do try to upsell but that's at the very end of the massage and they don't push it. I've only tried the upsell once, only because the therapist was insanely hot and so good at teasing that I couldn't help myself, it was 800 k for BBBJ and bbfscip which I didn't mind.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3062190]I just show them my vas scars. Not huge but they can still be seen and it reassures them that I actually had the op.

It must look amusing sometimes, me searching my balls for a tiny scar. My eyes aren't the best any more. 😁.

G.[/QUOTE]Different procedure I guess. I think today they mostly use what's called a "no scalpel vasectomy", which leaves little, if any sign. A girl asked me if I could show her the scars a few months after the operation, and I couldn't find it. Found something that kind of looked like maybe it was it, but I couldn't really say for sure.

[QUOTE=BrandNewMonge;3062264]The massage price is 400 k. I don't remember if it's 60 min or 90, but all of the masseuses are older, you can't choose and I've always had a decent massage.

They do try to upsell but that's at the very end of the massage and they don't push it. I've only tried the upsell once, only because the therapist was insanely hot and so good at teasing that I couldn't help myself, it was 800 k for BBBJ and bbfscip which I didn't mind.[/QUOTE]Was hoping OP would pipe up with the name of the girl, so I could specifically ask for her when booking, should she still be working there in July. :-)

Last time I went to the mall next to holiday inn to get a massage. She was a grandmother, but they claimed she was the only female who would do sports massage (no thai option) on men, so it was either her or a dude (no, thank you). Massage was decent enough, so repeated on most days. Can't remember the price, but around 150 k-200 k, plus my voluntary tip of 50 k, for 90 minutes I think?

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3062140]I can only remember two who refused CIP and [b]presumably did not trust me about the vasectomy[/b]. I'm slightly surprised anyone trusts me actually (a complete stranger).[/QUOTE]Let me preface by saying that I believe men are just as free to use "my body, my choice". "Go for it" if it suits you. However, consider the purpose and outcomes you expect. If you think that getting a vasectomy will unlock easy access to BBFSCIP with working girls in SEA, think again. Why? This expectation might not work in places like Thailand and Indonesia for a couple of reasons. One, if the girl is uneducated, she won't have a clue what you are showing her on your translation app. In places like Indonesia the prevalence of vasectomy is miniscule and it will be a slog to try and explain to the girl. Two, if the girl is "educated", she may think you are fibbing just to blow your load inside (see above Werqweq). Either way, both types may have misconceptions about how vasectomy works and freak out when you ejaculate your semem-sans-sperm. Expect they will check their pussy after you ejaculate and since "something came out", you will possibly be accused of lying. Try to explain that situation anatomically to a flustered working girl.

IMHO and experience, there is a workable and effective alternative. The Morning After Pill. In Thailand, pills like Maple Forte (Levonorgestrel 1. 5 MG) are available for circa USD2 per pill over the counter at any pharmacy. Unlike other brands like Postinor or Madonna which require 2 pills to be taken at interval, Maple Forte is a one-and-done that can be taken 24 hours after sex and is effective for 72 hours after taking the pill. And unlike some other brands, Maple is not limited to twice per month. For the past 3 plus years, I always have a couple of pills with me when I am out mongering and I have developed quite a bit of experience with how girls react.

In Indonesia, I have only met one girl in 20 years who was on proper birth control (or maybe my girls slant ever-so-slightly towards uneducated). After CIP, I always provide a pill, which is almost always met with a quizzical look. For this, I have a screenshot of a translated explanation of what the pill is and how to take it. Girls are always grateful, some taking the pill right then and there. Some pocket the pill for later. Sometimes I have a girl who I have had before bring me a friend and she will explain the pill to her friend after the session. I might be kidding myself, but I think the pill is a consideration for girls who bring me girls. They know their friends won't get knocked up. As I generally swim in a different pond, I have no idea whether the pill would be effective in a BBFS to CIP transition in a venue like Classic. That being said, I somehow think it would be more effective than having to thrust your kit into the air and ask the girl to spot tiny scars to prove your surgical bona fides. Perhaps in-the-know members like OS can comment. Wouldn't it be easy to say "pil keluarga berencana" or "pil KB" to easily get across that it is a "birth control pill" and have it understood? (By the way, shout out to OS for the language lesson. First new thing I have gleaned in this thread in some time.).

In Thailand, these days I never have to explain anything. When I offer the pill these days to a Thai working girl, about 50% of girls point to their arm or hip and say "have hormone". Meaning they already have a contraceptive implant, mostly provided at negligible cost by government clinics. For the other half, they are happy to recieve the pill and know exactly what it is. I am just saving them from having to buy it themselves, so they take it as a tip. And to the question "does having the pill get you more CIP", I point to last week. I was with a 20 yo, 38 kg Thai Friendly girl. We had negotiated BBFS, but when she was climbing on top of me she said "no inside, I no hormone". I then quickly translated that I had a contraceptive pill and all was GO for CIP (see screen grab from video clip of me pulling out of that tight little slit with a lovely cum rope).

Not to ramble on. Guys feel free to take what approach you think will best achieve your objectives, whatever those objectives are. With a triple digit usage sample size to base my position, the TLDR [U]for me[/U] is Hard NO to The Snip. Hard YES to The Pill. Enjoy, AR.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3062311]Let me preface by saying that I believe men are just as free to use "my body, my choice". "Go for it" if it suits you. However, consider the purpose and outcomes you expect. If you think that getting a vasectomy will unlock easy access to BBFSCIP with working girls in SEA, think again. Why? This expectation might not work in places like Thailand and Indonesia for a couple of reasons. One, if the girl is uneducated, she won't have a clue what you are showing her on your translation app. In places like Indonesia the prevalence of vasectomy is miniscule and it will be a slog to try and explain to the girl. Two, if the girl is "educated", she may think you are fibbing just to blow your load inside (see above Werqweq). Either way, both types may have misconceptions about how vasectomy works and freak out when you ejaculate your semem-sans-sperm. Expect they will check their pussy after you ejaculate and since "something came out", you will possibly be accused of lying. Try to explain that situation anatomically to a flustered working girl.
[/QUOTE]Agreed. One reasonably intelligent non-p4p girl I met in Jakarta a few times, and who I guess was at least somewhat educated (english speaking, working in a company that, if nothing else, paid for her to go to Korea on company trips on more than occasion), was surprised when I one night did a CIM finish instead of CIP, mumbling something about what about the surgery I had told her about before. I guess she was expecting just air to come out.
Can't blame her, as I myself didn't know anything about it before either, until I started thinking about getting one, and read up on about what it entails.

For those of us who don't want to worry about impregnating every girl we put our dick in, a vasectomy is a great peace of mind though. You never know how a random girl you just pay for sex will feel about taking some pill your are giving her afterwards - there are crazys out there - plus the efficacy of the morning pill is not as good as other contraceptives. Some people don't care or worry about that - "not my problem" - but for those who do, it's very liberating to never ever having to worry about this again.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3062346]Agreed. One reasonably intelligent non-p4p girl I met in Jakarta a few times, and who I guess was at least somewhat educated (english speaking, working in a company that, if nothing else, paid for her to go to Korea on company trips on more than occasion), was surprised when I one night did a CIM finish instead of CIP, mumbling something about what about the surgery I had told her about before. I guess she was expecting just air to come out.
Can't blame her, as I myself didn't know anything about it before either, until I started thinking about getting one, and read up on about what it entails.

For those of us who don't want to worry about impregnating every girl we put our dick in, a vasectomy is a great peace of mind though. You never know how a random girl you just pay for sex will feel about taking some pill your are giving her afterwards - there are crazys out there - plus the efficacy of the morning pill is not as good as other contraceptives. Some people don't care or worry about that - "not my problem" - but for those who do, it's very liberating to never ever having to worry about this again.[/QUOTE]You can't expect young Indonesian women to know about vasectomies anymore than an average dude in America or Europe understands how IUDs work. I personally do plenty of CIP and have intact balls. Is it irresponsible? Maybe to some extent but I do know that I will never know the end results, especially with short time hookers. With the non P4P women I ask if they are on BC. Some agree to start the pill before my trip. Others say they will use the morning after. And some are already on it. But all of them don't want to be pregnant and will do something to prevent it. I do think many girls in Classic etc are on some form of long term contraception. Its just basic business sense. The people who run them don't want to lose their source of income.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3062112]I'm not the biggest fan of travel Hotel, but went there anyway a few days ago with another ISG member while we were checking out the rest of the area. The back room was packed with girls. I've never seen so many girls on this place. Probably more than in classic. I didn't pick a girl so I can't say anything about the service. But I think the sheer number of girls makes a visit worthwhile.[/QUOTE]When I first visited Travel, there were at least 80 girls, around eight groups of ten or more girls packed into an area about half the size of T2 section in Classic. This is despite it being the middle of Ramadan. There is no shortage of girls or even quality of looks; it's just that most girls weren't open to DFK which is my thing, but if you aren't keen about this, it's definitely worthwhile to visit given that the cost is more or less than the same as in Classic for one and two girls.

[QUOTE=XXL;3062158]Best non-sex massage I had in Asia was at Halomas Aloha (near Lokasari). Massage cost 120 k for 90 minutes. Those guys made my spine click into place at 3 different places! It's a dump, a bit of a shambles, dimly-lit, feels like an opium den. Easy-going atmosphere though, grows on you after a few visits. Masseurs not masseuses. The massages I'm used to in Pattaya are a joke in comparison.[/QUOTE]Agreed. There are quite a few Reflexies in and around Lokasari square that offer just good massage at cheap prices, Angelina, Rasa, Jin Mei Chi, even the nail / hair salon places.

Tapping into the knowledge of well traveled mongerers here. Out of all your travels, which countries consistently provide tip top GFE levels of service?

I have only been mongering for 3 years. My comparison size is fairly small (only repeat trips to Thailand and Panama). I had Jakarta on my last itinerary (Feb-Mar 2026) but I ended up having so much action in Thailand, I canceled my entire Jakarta stop. While I did enjoy the look and feel of Colombianas during my Panama trip, I only got good GFE on repeat visits. I give the Colombians from Panama a 6. 5/10 for enthusiastic GFE.

Thailand's GFE has been otherwordly every single trip. Definitely 9/10 from a GFE perspective. Hell the GFE is so convincing, if you are not careful the fantasy blends with reality. My next trip is June 2026. I am committed to hit Jakarta first this time so I can at least increase my GFE sample size. For some context, while I have dabbled in bottom dollar street meat, cum stained mattresses, and spots with zero washroom and 100% cold transactional. My preference shades more to high-end luxury and GFE types of experiences.

[QUOTE=SwashBuckler77;3062593]Tapping into the knowledge of well traveled mongerers here. Out of all your travels, which countries consistently provide tip top GFE levels of service?[/QUOTE]In Brazil you can get top quality GFE and PSE sessions. I like the German FKK scene too, but GFE is more hit and miss there. I'm mostly a PSE guy anyway so. But, I know GFE is good in Brazil too with some solid high-end / luxury spots in Sao Paulo (Scandallo is my number 1 luxe puta palace in the world). RTFF in the appropriate threads, including the RODs, for details.

[QUOTE=SwashBuckler77;3062593]Tapping into the knowledge of well traveled mongerers here. Out of all your travels, which countries consistently provide tip top GFE levels of service?

I have only been mongering for 3 years. My comparison size is fairly small (only repeat trips to Thailand and Panama). I had Jakarta on my last itinerary (Feb-Mar 2026) but I ended up having so much action in Thailand, I canceled my entire Jakarta stop. While I did enjoy the look and feel of Colombianas during my Panama trip, I only got good GFE on repeat visits. I give the Colombians from Panama a 6. 5/10 for enthusiastic GFE.

Thailand's GFE has been otherwordly every single trip. Definitely 9/10 from a GFE perspective. Hell the GFE is so convincing, if you are not careful the fantasy blends with reality. My next trip is June 2026. I am committed to hit Jakarta first this time so I can at least increase my GFE sample size. For some context, while I have dabbled in bottom dollar street meat, cum stained mattresses, and spots with zero washroom and 100% cold transactional. My preference shades more to high-end luxury and GFE types of experiences.[/QUOTE]The last two years I made trips to Thailand, Vietnam and Indonesia. This summer I'm returning to Indonesia and skipping Thailand for Japan. Only reason why I'm coming back to Indonesia is to scuba dive Komodo but will make stops in Bali since it's so close by and back to Jakarta because the mongering at Classic and Travel is the best deal in SE Asia. GFE was mixed the last time I was here so I wouldn't come back here specifically to monger but since I'm here anyway to dive, I might as well and do it cheap.

I also hit Latin America and have stayed in Panama twice but will not return since I've got more selection and better prices for chicas in their home country in Colombia. GFE like you said, is mixed there too. But I just came back from my first trip to Brazil and all girls I met there were GFE so based on my experience, Brazil would be the tops for GFE.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;3062447]You can't expect young Indonesian women to know about vasectomies anymore than an average dude in America or Europe understands how IUDs work. I personally do plenty of CIP and have intact balls. Is it irresponsible? Maybe to some extent but I do know that I will never know the end results, especially with short time hookers. With the non P4P women I ask if they are on BC. Some agree to start the pill before my trip. Others say they will use the morning after. And some are already on it. But all of them don't want to be pregnant and will do something to prevent it. I do think many girls in Classic etc are on some form of long term contraception. Its just basic business sense. The people who run them don't want to lose their source of income.[/QUOTE]In my opinion:

1) Highly irresponsible. Why would you ruin a girl's life?

2) Do you know how poor the girls are at Classic? Do you think they can afford birth control? They can barely cover their rent and food that's provided by Classic. Their cut for a 1-HR session is USD $6 (told to me by 1+ girls).

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3062602]In my opinion:

1) Highly irresponsible. Why would you ruin a girl's life?

2) Do you know how poor the girls are at Classic? Do you think they can afford birth control? They can barely cover their rent and food that's provided by Classic. Their cut for a 1-HR session is USD $6 (told to me by 1+ girls).[/QUOTE]If prostitutes are providing bareback cum-in-pussy as a service, is it not their responsibility to price appropriately to cover the cost of birth control? How can the customer be held liable for the risks that the provider undertakes for profit?

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3062602]In my opinion:

1) Highly irresponsible. Why would you ruin a girl's life?

2) Do you know how poor the girls are at Classic? Do you think they can afford birth control? They can barely cover their rent and food that's provided by Classic. Their cut for a 1-HR session is USD $6 (told to me by 1+ girls).[/QUOTE]Let's not forget the side effects of Indonesian birth control: weigh gain and acne. Girls would be aware of the negative effects on business of both.

G.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3062602]In my opinion:

1) Highly irresponsible. Why would you ruin a girl's life?

2) Do you know how poor the girls are at Classic? Do you think they can afford birth control? They can barely cover their rent and food that's provided by Classic. Their cut for a 1-HR session is USD $6 (told to me by 1+ girls).[/QUOTE]In my defense though, I always respect the come outside request. If the girl is okay with CIP then I go ahead and do it. Also lecturing morality on a hooker board is a bit ironic is it not? I don't ever coerce or trick a woman into doing something she doesn't want to. I tip generously. That keeps my conscience clear. You do you.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;3062447]But all of them don't want to be pregnant and will do something to prevent it. I do think many girls in Classic etc are on some form of long term contraception. It’s just basic business sense. The people who run them don't want to lose their source of income.[/QUOTE]What would be the business sense of lying about contraception? Why would a girl use contraception and deny it when asked about it? If the girl doesn't allow CIP although she's on contraception she will get less tip from the customer.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3062602]In my opinion:

1) Highly irresponsible. Why would you ruin a girl's life?

2) Do you know how poor the girls are at Classic? Do you think they can afford birth control? They can barely cover their rent and food that's provided by Classic. Their cut for a 1-HR session is USD $6 (told to me by 1+ girls).[/QUOTE]The monthly injection is only 100 k. Even for them cost should not be an issue.

[QUOTE=SwashBuckler77;3062593]Tapping into the knowledge of well traveled mongerers here. Out of all your travels, which countries consistently provide tip top GFE levels of service?

I have only been mongering for 3 years. My comparison size is fairly small (only repeat trips to Thailand and Panama). I had Jakarta on my last itinerary (Feb-Mar 2026) but I ended up having so much action in Thailand, I canceled my entire Jakarta stop. While I did enjoy the look and feel of Colombianas during my Panama trip, I only got good GFE on repeat visits. I give the Colombians from Panama a 6. 5/10 for enthusiastic GFE.

Thailand's GFE has been otherwordly every single trip. Definitely 9/10 from a GFE perspective. Hell the GFE is so convincing, if you are not careful the fantasy blends with reality. My next trip is June 2026. I am committed to hit Jakarta first this time so I can at least increase my GFE sample size. For some context, while I have dabbled in bottom dollar street meat, cum stained mattresses, and spots with zero washroom and 100% cold transactional. My preference shades more to high-end luxury and GFE types of experiences.[/QUOTE]Based on what you say, I'd stay in Thailand, unless it's mainly to experience something different, which you may or may not like. P4P GFE in Jakarta is a couple of notches below what you get in Thailand on average, though prices are also lower.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3062597]In Brazil you can get top quality GFE and PSE sessions. I like the German FKK scene too, but GFE is more hit and miss there. I'm mostly a PSE guy anyway so. But, I know GFE is good in Brazil too with some solid high-end / luxury spots in Sao Paulo (Scandallo is my number 1 luxe puta palace in the world). RTFF in the appropriate threads, including the RODs, for details.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the expert feedback. PSE is on another level that I have not even considered. Sounds very interesting. Might have to give that a try so I can compare it to GFE. Brazil has always been on my tier 2 list to give a try. Really the only thing stopping me is my slight aversion to high crime localities. This is like the 3rd or 4th time, Brazil and in particular Scandallo has come up in conversations. Guess that means the universe is on my ass to give it a shot.

I am kicking myself for not partaking in Germany. I lived there for 5 years in my early 30's. Mongering was not even on my radar. I had a close buddy that took me to a multiple story brothel close to Frankfurt. He gave me zero warning just "let's go by this place real quick". I was freaked out and also intrigued. We wondered around until he found a lady of his choosing and they disappeared for 40 minutes. I roamed around and soaked it all in. The seed was planted but it took another 10 years before I dove in for myself.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3062598]The last two years I made trips to Thailand, Vietnam and Indonesia. This summer I'm returning to Indonesia and skipping Thailand for Japan. Only reason why I'm coming back to Indonesia is to scuba dive Komodo but will make stops in Bali since it's so close by and back to Jakarta because the mongering at Classic and Travel is the best deal in SE Asia. GFE was mixed the last time I was here so I wouldn't come back here specifically to monger but since I'm here anyway to dive, I might as well and do it cheap.

I also hit Latin America and have stayed in Panama twice but will not return since I've got more selection and better prices for chicas in their home country in Colombia. GFE like you said, is mixed there too. But I just came back from my first trip to Brazil and all girls I met there were GFE so based on my experience, Brazil would be the tops for GFE.[/QUOTE]Another top vote for Brazil on the basis of GFE! Duly noted. I am pretty shocked that Brazil is beating out Thailand for GFE. Trying to avoid confirmation bias so hearing a different perspective is truly opening up my mental aperture. Appreciate the feedback!

[QUOTE=SwashBuckler77;3062671]Another top vote for Brazil on the basis of GFE! Duly noted. I am pretty shocked that Brazil is beating out Thailand for GFE. Trying to avoid confirmation bias so hearing a different perspective is truly opening up my mental aperture. Appreciate the feedback![/QUOTE]A big part of my preference for Brazil is that I'm simply far more attracted to Latinas (and their variety) versus Thai and other Asian girls. If I liked Asian girls more, then Thailand would be number one. But I don't. So Brazil it is for me!

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3062638]Based on what you say, I'd stay in Thailand, unless it's mainly to experience something different, which you may or may not like. P4P GFE in Jakarta is a couple of notches below what you get in Thailand on average, though prices are also lower.[/QUOTE]Yes, Jakarta sounded like a few notches below for GFE. This is probably why I keep scratching it from itinerary when I do my SE Asia romps. I am committed to force a stay in Jakarta this go round for the first 3 days of my SE Asia tour. If I don't like it, at least it is only for 3 days and then I will spend the remaining 20 days in Thailand. Honestly there are 2 reasons Indonesia keeps coming up on my radar.

#1: This is probably one of the most active forums. I haven't read all the forums but out of the 10 or so that I read everyday, Jakarta is supremely active. I am really chalking this up to the price point vs the actual experience though. But I can't ignore the amount of mongering activity. I am having FOMO.

#2: The Indonesia women seem to be built more to my preferred physcial body aesthetic. Well maybe not Indonesia as a whole but West Sumatra and parts of Kalimantan seem to have some sort of cultural feature (or bug depending on your viewpoint) that values slightly fuller figures. Really appreciate your insight!

[QUOTE=SwashBuckler77;3062675]
#1: This is probably one of the most active forums. I haven't read all the forums but out of the 10 or so that I read everyday, Jakarta is supremely active. I am really chalking this up to the price point vs the actual experience though. But I can't ignore the amount of mongering activity. I am having FOMO.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SwashBuckler77;3062593]Tapping into the knowledge of well traveled mongerers here. Out of all your travels, which countries consistently provide tip top GFE levels of service?[/QUOTE]Have you considered the Philippines? The country sucks (food, infrastructure, poverty) but the girls are lovely, and GFE is often guaranteed.

The Philippines is also one of the most active forums here.

[QUOTE=SwashBuckler77;3062675]Yes, Jakarta sounded like a few notches below for GFE. This is probably why I keep scratching it from itinerary when I do my SE Asia romps. I am committed to force a stay in Jakarta this go round for the first 3 days of my SE Asia tour. If I don't like it, at least it is only for 3 days and then I will spend the remaining 20 days in Thailand.
#2: The Indonesia women seem to be built more to my preferred physcial body aesthetic. Well maybe not Indonesia as a whole but West Sumatra and parts of Kalimantan seem to have some sort of cultural feature (or bug depending on your viewpoint) that values slightly fuller figures. Really appreciate your insight![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SwashBuckler77;3062671]I am pretty shocked that Brazil is beating out Thailand for GFE.[/QUOTE]Most of my experience in mongering has been in Thailand. Although I get some good feeling GFE here and there, I believe it is mostly because I can speak their language at a decent level.

I don't think Thailand is the top place to get a GFE experience, I 've had good GFE in Cambodia in a much shorter time frame on a smaller sample for example.

In the same line, based on what I've experienced so far, I would say some girls I've met in Jakarta seemed to be very passionate though my experience there is still limited.

So far I would rank Thailand the third place on this trio.

Regarding the looks of Indo girls, it seems there are more very small girls here than in Thailand, Indo girls have the best breasts by far too.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;3062710]Have you considered the Philippines? The country sucks (food, infrastructure, poverty) but the girls are lovely, and GFE is often guaranteed.

The Philippines is also one of the most active forums here.[/QUOTE]Phillipines has been on my Tier 3 list. I work remotely when I monger so the infrastructure for Philippines has always kept me at bay. Great suggestion.

[QUOTE=SwashBuckler77;3062675]Yes, Jakarta sounded like a few notches below for GFE. This is probably why I keep scratching it from itinerary when I do my SE Asia romps. I am committed to force a stay in Jakarta this go round for the first 3 days of my SE Asia tour. If I don't like it, at least it is only for 3 days and then I will spend the remaining 20 days in Thailand. Honestly there are 2 reasons Indonesia keeps coming up on my radar.

#1: This is probably one of the most active forums. I haven't read all the forums but out of the 10 or so that I read everyday, Jakarta is supremely active. I am really chalking this up to the price point vs the actual experience though. But I can't ignore the amount of mongering activity. I am having FOMO.

#2: The Indonesia women seem to be built more to my preferred physcial body aesthetic. Well maybe not Indonesia as a whole but West Sumatra and parts of Kalimantan seem to have some sort of cultural feature (or bug depending on your viewpoint) that values slightly fuller figures. Really appreciate your insight![/QUOTE]Definitely Brazil hands down. And I did Brazil, Thailand, and Jakarta last year so I have perspective. And Brazil wins hands down for GFE. Brazilian girls are quite simply a breed apart. I swear to god they must teach DFK in middle school because I've never met a brasileira who's not a stunning kisser. They also are really "in the moment" and it seems they want to be with you. Finally yes Scandallo is all it's cracked up to be. Completely stunning. Best girls venue worldwide. So yeah. Get to Brazil.

That said do not skip Jakarta. Like you I kept seeing this active forum and finally checked it out in person last year splitting ten days between Bangkok and Jakarta. I absolutely loved it. It's not quite GFE like Brasil but Classic alone is a spectacle of hot girls and party atmosphere. And if you want GFE the Seeking Arrangement scene there is quite good also.

[QUOTE=SwashBuckler77;3062671]Another top vote for Brazil on the basis of GFE! Duly noted. I am pretty shocked that Brazil is beating out Thailand for GFE. Trying to avoid confirmation bias so hearing a different perspective is truly opening up my mental aperture. Appreciate the feedback![/QUOTE]If you want to see more on my recent trip to Brazil, I posted separate reports for Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo. The GFE in Brazil is just in their nature since they are a very touchy feely society so I'm not surprised about their level of GFE when compared to any Asian cultures.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3062674]A big part of my preference for Brazil is that I'm simply far more attracted to Latinas (and their variety) versus Thai and other Asian girls. If I liked Asian girls more, then Thailand would be number one. But I don't. So Brazil it is for me![/QUOTE]I travel to both Asia and Latin America and will continue to do so in the future. But the problem I have in Latin America (both Brazil and Colombia) is the number of overweight girls there with huge asses and legs. Now some guys, especially some American dudes are really into the big ass thick thing but I'm not. So whenever I go to a casa / clinica (daytime brothel) or nightclub with available girls, I usually have to weed out the majority of the bigger girls until I find a slimmer one to my liking. Fortunately I always do but may have to shop around to the many venues they have there. Far less overweight women in Asia by my observation but perhaps less facially glamorous than in Latin America in terms of sheer numbers.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3062796]I travel to both Asia and Latin America and will continue to do so in the future. But the problem I have in Latin America (both Brazil and Colombia) is the number of overweight girls there with huge asses and legs. Now some guys, especially some American dudes are really into the big ass thick thing but I'm not. So whenever I go to a casa / clinica (daytime brothel) or nightclub with available girls, I usually have to weed out the majority of the bigger girls until I find a slimmer one to my liking. Fortunately I always do but may have to shop around to the many venues they have there. Far less overweight women in Asia by my observation but perhaps less facially glamorous than in Latin America in terms of sheer numbers.[/QUOTE]So crazy you mention this. For 95% of my life, I was only attracted to curvy, thick women with dump trucks. That is until my first foray to SE Asia. Before 2023, I had absolutely zero attraction to asian women writ large. On my first trip to Thailand, I found a shit ton of slim, short, slightly curvy dark ladies. Now that is my preference. I have taken a damn 180 degree turn. I don't even find super curvaceous and plump women attractive anymore. My close buddy just came back from the DR and he is pissed that I am unimpressed with his pictures. I am just in a new phase I guess. Slim, fit, athletic is the new build that excites me.

I am sort of picky though since skinny / pale is not my thing, hence why Korea / Japan / China (in general) just doesn't quite do it for me. I also loathe squirmy worms, crying and baby talk. Absolute dick softner for me. I am pretty much over the absolute stunners in the face category. I veer more to body type and enthusiasctic performance. I have had and do have a pretty face at home. Totally overrated! SE Asians just tend to have their bodyweight proportioned in the right areas to my liking these days.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;3062623]If prostitutes are providing bareback cum-in-pussy as a service, is it not their responsibility to price appropriately to cover the cost of birth control? How can the customer be held liable for the risks that the provider undertakes for profit?[/QUOTE]You are not necessarily dealing with the most educated or forward thinking people here. Nothing against them for that. Education does not make a person good or bad, and the choice was not theirs in most cases I suspect.

Maybe they think stirring their finger around in their pussy while squatting in the shower immediately afterwards will prevent most pregnancies and stds?

I'm sure you can also easily find people in Jakarta to strip the asbestos of your house, and who might think a handkerchief around their mouth will provide adequate protection. Can you, the knowing customer, be held liable for the risks that the worker undertakes for profit? And if not legally, then morally?

IMO, the responsibility is on the one who knows.

Like AE, I kind of suspect girls at classic are on birth control, especially if the cost is only 100 k / month, but I don't know. Since I have had a vasectomy, it's not something that concerns me directly, though this discussion has made me curious.

After a long haul across the Pacific Ocean, I landed in Indonesia safe and sound.

Visa: If you are coming from a country that needs a visa in order to enter Indonesia, I highly suggest getting an e-visa. Just follow the instructions and its super easy to obtain. Paid the Rp 500 k with my credit card and got my e-visa in my email within minutes. You will also need to complete an Arrival Card. It can be filled out online within 72 hours of your arrival day. Once you arrive in the airport in Indonesia, you can skip and line and just use the autogate system. Very simple to use, just put the passport on the scanner and you will be cleared in seconds.

Money / ATM: I would avoid using the airport's money exchanges as there are many ATM inside the airport. I used the BCA ATM and pulled out Rp 2. 4 million. Declined the machines' exchange rate. I also didn't see a warning about any ATM fees. So maybe BCA does not charge any fees to use?

SIM Card: At the airport there are many stores selling sim cards. Including 3 Telkomsol practically right next to one another. One offered 13 GB for Rp 150 k. At the Telkomsol store in the city I got a sim card 3 GB for Rp 35 k. The attendant registered the IMEI for me as well. You can top up as needed. 5 GB is only Rp 20 k.

First Impressions of Jakarta: Climate wise, its hot but tolerable for me. What is unbearable is the high humidity. I tend to sweat a lot as is, and the Jakarta humidity exacerbates the problem even more. Traffic is bad, very bad. Its everyone for themselves as nobody follows the traffic rules. The motobikes run the city, then the cars. You don't want to be the pedestrian trying to cross some road. You have to run across as fast as you can and just hope for the best. The locals are nice and willing to help. Whether it be asking for directions or ordering food, they are very patient and friendly. I was quite shocked by that since from my experience, in most big cities, the people tend to be rude and has that "I don't really care" vibe. The city has lot of stuff to do, lots of museums, the MONAS, the Masjid Istiqlal (the third largest mosque in the world), and of course the shopping malls.

Women: Women in Jakarta dress conservative and modest. Even in the oppressive hot and humid weather, I consistently see women with long pants and light jackets. And since the majority of he population is Muslim many wear hijab along with the traditional conservative attire. Also a lot of times its hard to tell their faces as a lot of them wear masks. I noticed the younger aged females tend to be on the skinny side while most of the older aged females are more rounded. Overall, I think Jakarta women are not as attractive Thai or Filipinas. I've heard people tell me that they don't like the Indonesian look but honestly I don't see much differences. Jakarta women in general have whiter skin than the Filipinas and maybe the same as Thai women (not really sure as it was such a long time ago when I visited Thailand).

On the first day arrival in Jakarta, I was very tired from the long flight so I decided to just go get dinner and get a good night rest. The next day did some sightseeing. Went to the MONAS, Masjid Istiqlal and the cathedral. Went back and took a nap but ended up waking up late so I didn't get to Classic until 9:30 pm. I saw very little movement in front of the hotel entrance so I was worried that it was going to be a slow night. From the main hotel entrance on the ground floor, take 2 escalators up to reach T2. Security guards at the door. At the entrance counter, I was given a wristband with a number tag. I was mentally prepared to be attacked by the mamasans but to my surprise they didn't even look at me. In hindsight I think they were all too busy with other clients. The club was 70 percent full. I made a left turn and started ogling the girls on the couch. It didn't take too long before a mamasan tries to get my attention. I simply ignored her, walked right pass her, and continued on. More waves of mamasans. Ignore, ignore, ignore. Sorry, if I need you I will look for you. Made a full lap around the club including the girls sitting at the tables with clients. Tbh, may be saw 3-4 doables (7's) out of 150+. Too many women on the older side with too much makeups on which is a real turnoff for me. I sit down at one of the tables to gather my thoughts and decide what I should do next. Then out of nowhere, a mamasan comes up to me, takes out a pen and paper and wrote 1 365,000, 2 500,000.

She then signals two girls to come over and tries to push me into taking both. Both are young, tiny and skinny. But I was not attracted to either one. Mamasan points to the 500,000 on the paper then points the girls. I had made up my mind up that I wasn't going to pick any girl let alone a threesome on that night. So I told the mamasan no. That didn't stop her though. She gets a third girl. This one I did think was doable, very doable. Body was a thicker but she had an attractive face. So I made a mental note of her and decided to leave T2 before more mamasans descend upon me. Paid my Rp 35 k at the exit.

I then asked one of the guards where T5 is and he directed me to the elevators and told me floor #5. T5 same setup as T2 but not busy on the night I was there, around 40 percent full. Did the same thing, lap around the club ignoring the mamasans. Around 100 girls (less than T2). I thought the girl quality was slightly better than T2 with more 6's and less 5's. I saw a total of 2-3 doables (7's). I grabbed a coke at T5. Both the coke and bottled water are Rp 28 k. I don't know about the prices for alcohols as I don't drink. Sat there until I finished the can of coke and made a another lap before leaving. Noticed that there were less girls on the couches than when I first entered.

The next day, I went to the apoteks (pharmacies) in the area where I was staying at and bought a pack of 10 capsules of doxycycline 100 MG for Rp 10 k. That's less than $1. The most important lesson I learned was not to take it on an empty stomach. The next night I went back to Classic and managed to track down the mamasan who brought me the three girls and was able to find that third girl that I was attracted to. Had her sit down at the table with me and I proceeded to ask her a few questions. The most important of which is BBFSCIP, which she agreed to. So she became my first Indonesian girl. She was a good girl. Did all the things I asked but nothing was spectacular. That wasn't too important since the main thing I was after was BBFSCIP. And this part she got an A from me. Tipped her at the end for the BBFSCIP and left Classic with a happy smile on my face. Will I repeat with her, probably not as there are several other girls I liked.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3062796]I travel to both Asia and Latin America and will continue to do so in the future. But the problem I have in Latin America (both Brazil and Colombia) is the number of overweight girls there with huge asses and legs. Now some guys, especially some American dudes are really into the big ass thick thing but I'm not. So whenever I go to a casa / clinica (daytime brothel) or nightclub with available girls, I usually have to weed out the majority of the bigger girls until I find a slimmer one to my liking. Fortunately I always do but may have to shop around to the many venues they have there. Far less overweight women in Asia by my observation but perhaps less facially glamorous than in Latin America in terms of sheer numbers.[/QUOTE]I used to do Brazil and SEA until about 2012 after they closed Help in RJ (I remember hear them saying it: Dijco Helpi), now only SEA, brazilian girls had killer bodies and model faces, and they will fuck you like there is no tomorrow, ready to beat you up if you didn't fuck them good, but all of them were crying because they didn't have big butts, I guess their wish came true. Now the trend has arrived to SEA.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3063180]I used to do Brazil and SEA until about 2012 after they closed Help in RJ (I remember hear them saying it: Dijco Helpi), now only SEA, brazilian girls had killer bodies and model faces, and they will fuck you like there is no tomorrow, ready to beat you up if you didn't fuck them good, but all of them were crying because they didn't have big butts, I guess their wish came true. Now the trend has arrived to SEA.[/QUOTE]What made you give up on Brazil and only focus on SEA? You mean the trend of having big butts has arrived in SEA?

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;3063165]The next day, I went to the apoteks (pharmacies) in the area where I was staying at and bought a pack of 10 capsules of doxycycline 100 MG for Rp 10 k. That's less than $1. The most important lesson I learned was not to take it on an empty stomach. The next night I went back to Classic and managed to track down the mamasan who brought me the three girls and was able to find that third girl that I was attracted to. Had her sit down at the table with me and I proceeded to ask her a few questions. The most important of which is BBFSCIP, which she agreed to. So she became my first Indonesian girl. She was a good girl. Did all the things I asked but nothing was spectacular. That wasn't too important since the main thing I was after was BBFSCIP. And this part she got an A from me. Tipped her at the end for the BBFSCIP and left Classic with a happy smile on my face. Will I repeat with her, probably not as there are several other girls I liked.[/QUOTE]Good point on taking doxycycline on an empty stomach. If I take it without having eaten first, it will nearly cause me to throw up. Almost as fun as this thread getting hijacked with talk about big booty Latinas.

Kudos to getting what you wanted at Classic. I am also an advocate for negotiating up front with the girl on key terms [U]before[/U] going to the room. Others might say you should just "feel the vibe" and wait until you are in the room, but reports lately of girls asking exorbitant amounts for tip, downgrading service or refusing certain services outright are on the rise. Can you share if you pre-negotiated a specific tip amount as part of her pre-agreement to do BBFSCIP? Looking forward to more such happy reports. Enjoy Jakarta, AR.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3063237]Can you share if you pre-negotiated a specific tip amount as part of her pre-agreement to do BBFSCIP? Looking forward to more such happy reports. Enjoy Jakarta, AR.[/QUOTE]Yes I did pre-negotiated the amount with the girl prior to agreeing to go with her. I know there are guys who prefer to just let 'things' happen in the room. But for me, to have that peace of mind, I almost always pre-negotiate everything. And this being the first time for me in Jakarta, I have no idea what is the going rate that girls in Classic charge for BBFSCIP. Thus its better IMO to settle on a price beforehand when I have more leverage as oppose to in the room when the girl have more leverage.

Back jn Indonesia and in Bogor now just to discover the so the called Arab Syndrome! Have had some positive discoveries including some severe negative ones! Will post full reviews including 4 days in Jakarta before coming to Bogor! Spoiler alert, got caught by my future father in law! Just need some free time to post initial reviews! Stay tuned! It's going to be an exciting one, I promise.

[QUOTE=Zippos;3063878]Back jn Indonesia and in Bogor now just to discover the so the called Arab Syndrome! Have had some positive discoveries including some severe negative ones! Will post full reviews including 4 days in Jakarta before coming to Bogor! Spoiler alert, got caught by my future father in law! Just need some free time to post initial reviews! Stay tuned! It's going to be an exciting one, I promise.[/QUOTE]Looking forward to it. You had some of the most enjoyable posts here.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;3063797]Yes I did pre-negotiated the amount with the girl prior to agreeing to go with her. I know there are guys who prefer to just let 'things' happen in the room. But for me, to have that peace of mind, I almost always pre-negotiate everything. And this being the first time for me in Jakarta, I have no idea what is the going rate that girls in Classic charge for BBFSCIP. Thus its better IMO to settle on a price beforehand when I have more leverage as oppose to in the room when the girl have more leverage.[/QUOTE]What rates did you agree on?

100 k is what I usually tip in-room for that, though sometimes I've been forced up to 200 k. Also one girl who can deepthroat, and who I've picked 3-4 times because of that and her playing well with other girls, as in, helping the experience with other girls, rather than hindering it, I've been tipping 200 k ever since the second time. Her and a few other outliers who provided extra good service.

[QUOTE=Zippos;3063878]Back jn Indonesia and in Bogor now just to discover the so the called Arab Syndrome! Have had some positive discoveries including some severe negative ones! Will post full reviews including 4 days in Jakarta before coming to Bogor! Spoiler alert, got caught by my future father in law! Just need some free time to post initial reviews! Stay tuned! It's going to be an exciting one, I promise.[/QUOTE]

Bogor is the heart of beautiful Sundanese girls near Jakarta. More than half the women I met at BATS are from Bogor. They are careful not to be obvious about this, so they travel to Jakarta where they can't be noticed as much. Enjoy!

I've been to Classic T2 twice on my last trip. This summer I will return but will check out Travel as well. I saw videos of the inside of Travel and already find the layout confusing. At least with T2 I know it's best to hang out in a central table where I can see multiple rows of girls on 2-3 different sides of the room. For Travel, where do you guys consider the best spot? I noticed the big area in the back via steps and it looks like a hangout room for the girls with their mess all over the place. Are we as customers allowed to go back there to scope out the girls?

As for Classic T5, I saw a video of that too and I know what you guys mean now with it being bit hard to see the girls as they are all in rows on one side of the room, sort of like the bigger soapies in Thailand. I'll probably have to sit somewhere close enough to at least see these rows clearly.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3064089]As for Classic T5, I saw a video of that too and I know what you guys mean now with it being bit hard to see the girls as they are all in rows on one side of the room, sort of like the bigger soapies in Thailand. I'll probably have to sit somewhere close enough to at least see these rows clearly.[/QUOTE]Just walk up to the girls and check them out. I do that. Many other guys do that. It is not a big deal. You're overthinking it.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3064005]What rates did you agree on?

100 k is what I usually tip in-room for that, though sometimes I've been forced up to 200 k. Also one girl who can deepthroat, and who I've picked 3-4 times because of that and her playing well with other girls, as in, helping the experience with other girls, rather than hindering it, I've been tipping 200 k ever since the second time. Her and a few other outliers who provided extra good service.[/QUOTE]100 K. Your mentioning of being forced to pay 200 k is exactly what I avoided by pre-negotiating beforehand. Often times the amount that I think is fair is not the same as the amount the girls think is fair. And when I'm forced to pay above the fair rate, it ultimately will leave a bad taste in the mouth and lead me to avoiding future sessions.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3064005]What rates did you agree on?

100 k is what I usually tip in-room for that, though sometimes I've been forced up to 200 k. Also one girl who can deepthroat, and who I've picked 3-4 times because of that and her playing well with other girls, as in, helping the experience with other girls, rather than hindering it, I've been tipping 200 k ever since the second time. Her and a few other outliers who provided extra good service.[/QUOTE]If the service was great and included CIP, I usually gave 300 k. But during my trip this year, I met a couple of girls who had totally different expectations. One girl in classic and one in Maxwell Hotel completely blocked any further discussion after I offered 300, like my offer was so little that there was no point in any further negotiation. Another girl in classic asked for 1 juta. She claimed that she would have to take some injection after bareback sex (suntik kesehatan).

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3064089]For Travel, where do you guys consider the best spot? I noticed the big area in the back via steps and it looks like a hangout room for the girls with their mess all over the place. Are we as customers allowed to go back there to scope out the girls?[/QUOTE]Yes, the rear area is primarily for customers. You may not see clearly on online videos, but there are areas for pool tables and lounge seating where groups sit and drink with girls. As I find the "music" and smoke are both oppressive in the main stage area, I have used the seating in the rear.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3064089]As for Classic T5, I saw a video of that too and I know what you guys mean now with it being bit hard to see the girls as they are all in rows on one side of the room, sort of like the bigger soapies in Thailand. I'll probably have to sit somewhere close enough to at least see these rows clearly.[/QUOTE]Suggest to use the mamasans (this also goes for Travel IMHO). My frustration when the girls are seated is that it is difficult to assess the full package (legs, ass, stomach). Mamasans can bring a series of lineups until you get the initial optics you prefer. Then, as a pro tip from Dream Canarvon below, you can sit with the girl and quickly agree and negotiate [U]in advance[/U] any particular services you want. Once you and the girl are on the same page, then you buy the ticket and take the ride. Enjoy, AR.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;3063797]Yes I did pre-negotiated the amount with the girl prior to agreeing to go with her. I know there are guys who prefer to just let 'things' happen in the room. But for me, to have that peace of mind, I almost always pre-negotiate everything. And this being the first time for me in Jakarta, I have no idea [b]what is the going rate that girls in Classic[/b] charge for BBFSCIP. Thus its [b]better IMO to settle on a price beforehand when I have more leverage[/b] as oppose to in the room when the girl have more leverage.[/QUOTE]Well said! Multiple posts clearly show that there is no "going rate" for BBFSCIP in Classic. In fact, by accounts it is all over the place. In my experience as well, negotiating beforehand brings peace of mind as it removes the "will she or won't she" anxiety. There are guys who are okay to be stuck on the bed looking down on a girl with her hand cupped over her come-hither snatch, stroking their own rod to keep their erection while they engage in a potentially tedious negotiation for extra services. Some keep referring to this as a "tip", but I consider it an [U]upsell charge[/U] for an extra service often negotiated under conditions of duress (for the guy). How much guys pay for any extra service (100 k, 1 juta, etc) is a function of their negotiating savvy (when and how) and has nothing to do with whatever some other rando paid, especially because he got fleeced as he chose to roll the vibe dice after he signed the ticket. From recent posts it seems that more and more of the girls have wised up to the negotiating leverage that they can extract a lot more rupiah once the guy is in the room with his wick on fire. As with DC, I would rather snuff out that fire with a nice creampie rather than a condom. Enjoy Jakarta, AR.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3064132]If the service was great and included CIP, I usually gave 300 k. But during my trip this year, I met a couple of girls who had totally different expectations. One girl in classic and one in Maxwell Hotel completely blocked any further discussion after I offered 300, like my offer was so little that there was no point in any further negotiation. [/QUOTE]LOL, that sounds funny. Like when I'm selling something on the online marketplace for $1000, and some clown asks if I'll take $20. I also don't bother responding.

My thinking is that I will get a lot more "no"s upstairs than downstairs, and since it's mostly "yes" downstairs, I've rolled the dice with enough luck (80+ percent?) to not bother negotiating anything upstairs. I've not been back since last summer, but will see for myself how much things have changed soon. Maybe I too will have to do this?

A thing I'd worry about is that if people handle this clumsily, I. E. , directly rejecting girls upstairs for this particular issue, the girl will tell the other girls why she was rejected. Then none of the other girls will go with you, because if the other girl goes with you, everyone will know why, and they don't want this. A girl I was banging in a 3's made her best to prevent the other girl, who was a "friend" she chose herself, did not see it after the other girl did not agree on it.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3064134]Yes, the rear area is primarily for customers. You may not see clearly on online videos, but there are areas for pool tables and lounge seating where groups sit and drink with girls. As I find the "music" and smoke are both oppressive in the main stage area, I have used the seating in the rear.

Suggest to use the mamasans (this also goes for Travel IMHO). My frustration when the girls are seated is that it is difficult to assess the full package (legs, ass, stomach). Mamasans can bring a series of lineups until you get the initial optics you prefer. Then, as a pro tip from Dream Canarvon below, you can sit with the girl and quickly agree and negotiate [U]in advance[/U] any particular services you want. Once you and the girl are on the same page, then you buy the ticket and take the ride. Enjoy, AR.[/QUOTE]Thanks so much for all this. I find the smoke at Classic disgusting too which is why I normally like to go earlier rather than late at night. I was even thinking of wearing a mask inside Classic next time and if music is too loud, earplugs until I meet a girl I like for some initial chit chatting.

I will again point out that this method is not without its own downside risks.

If a customer rejects a lady for this and sends her back to the couch. Either because she simply does not provide this service (it happens), or, you cannot come to agreement on price. The mamasan will probably be made aware. She wants to know what happened because she lost out on her commission. The lady rejected will also let all the other ladies on the couch know why she wasn't selected. Despite its availability. The official policy at all these places is condom is required. So the mamasan won't give the lady a hard time for missing out on her commission. It's an easy out for the lady to explain. Even if other ladies would normally provide this service, there is no way another lady in that couch area is going to want to be seen going with someone now that they all know what that customer wants given the official policy. So each rejection or failed negotiation reduces the pool of available ladies providing this service to that person and the individuals requesting it are going to get tagged as the guy running around the establishment looking for BB.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3064137]Well said! Multiple posts clearly show that there is no "going rate" for BBFSCIP in Classic. In fact, by accounts it is all over the place. In my experience as well, negotiating beforehand brings peace of mind as it removes the "will she or won't she" anxiety. There are guys who are okay to be stuck on the bed looking down on a girl with her hand cupped over her come-hither snatch, stroking their own rod to keep their erection while they engage in a potentially tedious negotiation for extra services. Some keep referring to this as a "tip", but I consider it an [U]upsell charge[/U] for an extra service often negotiated under conditions of duress (for the guy). How much guys pay for any extra service (100 k, 1 juta, etc) is a function of their negotiating savvy (when and how) and has nothing to do with whatever some other rando paid, especially because he got fleeced as he chose to roll the vibe dice after he signed the ticket. From recent posts it seems that more and more of the girls have wised up to the negotiating leverage that they can extract a lot more rupiah once the guy is in the room with his wick on fire. As with DC, I would rather snuff out that fire with a nice creampie rather than a condom. Enjoy Jakarta, AR.[/QUOTE]

I usually try to get the Indonesian visa online. One of the biggest advantages is that you can pass through the automatic gates which is much faster than the manual check. The other day the website was not working properly, so I had to get the Visa on arrival in Jakarta. I paid about 530 k (new price) and in the process had to inform my email address for what I thought would be just a receipt. When I came to the passport control, there was a huge queue. But after only a few minutes, I received an email from immigration with a Visa which looked exactly like the one you get when you order your Visa online. It turned out it is exactly the same type because when I left the queue and went to the auto gates I was able to pass them. Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3064184]I usually try to get the Indonesian visa online. One of the biggest advantages is that you can pass through the automatic gates which is much faster than the manual check.
It turned out it is exactly the same type because when I left the queue and went to the auto gates I was able to pass them. Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]I had e-VOA but still auto gates doesn't work, had to go through manual immi check. Google says only e-passport is recognized at the autogate.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;3064129]100 K. Your mentioning of being forced to pay 200 k is exactly what I avoided by pre-negotiating beforehand. Often times the amount that I think is fair is not the same as the amount the girls think is fair. And when I'm forced to pay above the fair rate, it ultimately will leave a bad taste in the mouth and lead me to avoiding future sessions.[/QUOTE]I was expecting you to say a number at least triple of that. If that works for you, you must be doing something right.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3064208]I was expecting you to say a number at least triple of that. If that works for you, you must be doing something right.[/QUOTE]I am surprised by this low amount, too. DreamCarnarvon, please keep us posted if you managed to negotiate the same amount with other girls. Do you mind telling us your background? I wonder if it makes a difference if the guy is 30 and Asian or 50 and white.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3064208]I was expecting you to say a number at least triple of that. If that works for you, you must be doing something right.[/QUOTE]And it can work for others as well. They just need to understand how negotiation works. Besides funding hundreds of business trips to locations across Asia, the best thing my company ever did for me mongering-wise was to send me on a Scotwork Negotiating Course ([URL]https://www.scotwork.com/[/URL]). It's not just how you negotiate, but when you negotiate.

Now I suspect that some will start doing backflips to rationalize how this could happen. Must be young and handsome. Must be light-skinned. Must have a long nose. Must have a short nose. Must have mojo. The girl must have been chubby and unattractive. Then it will be easy to dismiss this as an exception and stick to status quo behaviors. But here's the kicker. That extra 100 k is the [U]total[/U] DC is paying on top of the base ticket. Not ticket plus 100 k plus "tip". Once you have negotiated a fair price between parties (and the girl will be making an extra 100 k on top of the 100 k she gets from the ticket), that is what you pay.

Everybody is free to do what they want to do and take the approach they want. I agree with NG that there might be potential downsides in this particular environment. No risk, no reward. But if the claims of 300 k in-room offers getting rejected outright or outrageous asks for 1 juta continue to trend, there are some Classic-dependent mongers who are going to be in a very bad place soon if they don't flip the script. For consideration. Enjoy Jakarta, AR.

[QUOTE=GentleSapien;3064204]I had e-VOA but still auto gates doesn't work, had to go through manual immi check. Google says only e-passport is recognized at the autogate.[/QUOTE]I think the first time you get an e-visa, the auto gate may not be an option, and you will have to go through the immigration desk. Once your passport is scanned / registered, it allows you use the auto gate on subsequent visits. I have a US passport and got my first e-visa without creating an account, it didn't allow me to use the auto gate. After that, I created an account on the Imigrasi portal, now e-visa approvals are instantaneous whenever I apply, and able to use the auto gate for both entry and exit with no issues.

[QUOTE=JuneFly;3064359]I think the first time you get an e-visa, the auto gate may not be an option, and you will have to go through the immigration desk. Once your passport is scanned / registered, it allows you use the auto gate on subsequent visits. I have a US passport and got my first e-visa without creating an account, it didn't allow me to use the auto gate. After that, I created an account on the Imigrasi portal, now e-visa approvals are instantaneous whenever I apply, and able to use the auto gate for both entry and exit with no issues.[/QUOTE]I was able to use the auto gates on my very first visit. I can't remember if I had set up an account at that time.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3064134]My frustration when the girls are seated is that it is difficult to assess the full package (legs, ass, stomach). Mamasans can bring a series of lineups until you get the initial optics you prefer. Then, as a pro tip from Dream Canarvon below, you can sit with the girl and quickly agree and negotiate [U]in advance[/U] any particular services you want. Once you and the girl are on the same page, then you buy the ticket and take the ride. Enjoy, AR.[/QUOTE]Why don't you ask the mamasan to tell all the girls to stand up for a minute, while you are standing right in front of the benches? Works fine in T5.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3064371]Why don't you ask the mamasan to tell all the girls to stand up for a minute, while you are standing right in front of the benches? Works fine in T5.[/QUOTE]Valid suggestion for sure. That being said, when I was at madrasa, I was taught that "Monger does not come to The Mami (and her girls). The Mami (and her girls) come to Monger. " Enjoy, AR.

Been active here for last a few years and have gotten really valuable insights before exploring any country. Someone recently mentioned above Bogor being hub of beautiful Sundanese girls who usually come to Jakarta to work in Travel / Classic. Is there anyway exploit Bogor city for mongering, I don't want to go to Bogor and use Tinder / Bumble which will take days to monger, any point and shoot spots in Bogor with Sundanese or any other way experienced mongers have exploited Bogor? Thank you.

Are there any telegram or whatsapp groups that have photos of available girls in Jakarta that do outcalls? Many thanks.

[QUOTE=Duolingy;3064483] Someone recently mentioned above Bogor being hub of beautiful Sundanese girls who usually come to Jakarta to work in Travel / Classic. Is there anyway exploit Bogor city for mongering[/QUOTE]Instead of heading South into the hills, I think you actually want to head East to Bandung to find the Sundanese and (current) majority supplier of girls into everybodys' favourite Jarkarta hotels. Not sure how that happened, perhaps they ran out of girls in Indramayu or something.

I've also never heard of a place for girls in Bogor (I'm sure there is but I'm not Indonesian) but there certainly are places in Bandung. Often point and shoot, though they'll likely do the same to your wallet. Jakarta often (but not always) offers cheaper places.

Bandung is what I associate Sundanese with. Quite a mix of javanese, chinese and dutch heritages. Just watch out for the temper.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3064156]I normally like to go earlier rather than late at night. I was even thinking of wearing a mask inside Classic next time and if music is too loud, earplugs until I meet a girl I like for some initial chit chatting.[/QUOTE]I go early in hopes I'm the girl's first fuck of the day. I don't like sloppy seconds especially since I sometimes DATY.

[QUOTE=Duolingy;3064483]Been active here for last a few years and have gotten really valuable insights before exploring any country. Someone recently mentioned above Bogor being hub of beautiful Sundanese girls who usually come to Jakarta to work in Travel / Classic. Is there anyway exploit Bogor city for mongering, I don't want to go to Bogor and use Tinder / Bumble which will take days to monger, any point and shoot spots in Bogor with Sundanese or any other way experienced mongers have exploited Bogor? Thank you.[/QUOTE]I made that reference. If you are in Jakarta and planning to go to Bogor to find, you will likely be disappointed as it's a somewhat conservative family-oriented city. It works much better if you have met or know someone from Bogor in Jakarta who can introduce you to their friends. Otherwise, it will be a waste of time as it's hour and away, you can instead go to Bekasi, Cibitung, Cikarang areas where there are establishments. You can refer to Zippos sexpedition fantastic posts a couple of years ago about these areas.

Exactly my view, why waste time and drive down to Bogor and Bandung for nothing. Of course most of Jakarta beauties come from these 2 cities but unless you are dead sure of the contacts or establishment in either places the visit will prove futile. I was in Bandung once, took the whoosh and met my babe and it turned out to be a time waster, should have simply paid her for the transport. My impressions of the city: small cramped dirty and boring not much to do unless you are into trekking. Plus there are no places like Classic Travel Emporium 1001 thus most of the emporium girls I met confirmed they came from outside to make extra money for the family. If massage places is your go to strategy then why not try them in Jakarta itself with tons of them there.

[QUOTE=JuneFly;3064624]I made that reference. If you are in Jakarta and planning to go to Bogor to find, you will likely be disappointed as it's a somewhat conservative family-oriented city. It works much better if you have met or know someone from Bogor in Jakarta who can introduce you to their friends. Otherwise, it will be a waste of time as it's hour and away, you can instead go to Bekasi, Cibitung, Cikarang areas where there are establishments. You can refer to Zippos sexpedition fantastic posts a couple of years ago about these areas.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3064603]I go early in hopes I'm the girl's first fuck of the day. I don't like sloppy seconds especially since I sometimes DATY.[/QUOTE]I prefer the ones whom get a lot of action, level 5 at the Classic was amazing last week with one skinny lady in red whom I'm sure did at least 3 seperate guys down stairs in about 2 hrs. I decided to wait my turn, the 3rd guy turned out to be a slow coach taking nearly an hour. I was about to give up stair case watching when she suddenly resurfaced. Unfortunately I didn't get her name but she allowed me to take a photo with her hair covering her face. A full photo review will go up soon as she really did give us what I wanted. Also thanks for those earlier Madam laser light tips...they finally are helping me get the busy ones i like

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3064603]I go early in hopes I'm the girl's first fuck of the day. I don't like sloppy seconds especially since I sometimes DATY.[/QUOTE]For me, the ideal time to get there is around 4 PM and leave by 8 PM. I've a good chance of being the first customer and avoid the second serving, escape before the cigarette smoke starts sticking to my clothes and the music gets too loud.

Reddit sub.

IndonesianGirlsOnly.

Don't know if links are allowed.

Any one know what this is many new girls photos is it local guys showing off their girls.

Or some available for p4 p.

2 pm better than 3 pm in my experience.

[QUOTE=XXL;3065058]2 pm better than 3 pm in my experience.[/QUOTE]2 pm is when they open, so the lineup is still somewhat limited, but I found real young gems especially the ones new to this just started working at Classic. Jakarta is a fairly late night culture, party and drink and sleep late, and come late in the afternoon after lunch, salon, shopping, traffic, 4 pm-6 pm is when they start to come in waves. The good thing at Classic is if I come early and don't like the lineup, I can always go to the underground spa to get a massage and then come back.

Has anyone here applied for and received the Indonesia digital nomad Visa or second home visa? Is it worth it? I just want to pay one fee one time and not have to think about it again for years. In my experience, the 30 day Indonesia e-visa for $35 is pretty limiting, single entry, valid for only 30 days, and renewable just once for another 30 days, which is a crap. I recently applied for a Brazil e-visa and got a 10 year multiple entry visa for only $80, which is a sweet deal.

[QUOTE=JuneFly;3065117] I recently applied for a Brazil e-visa and got a 10 year multiple entry visa for only $80, which is a sweet deal.[/QUOTE]I got that eVisa for the Brazil trip I just came back from in April. You mean that if I return back to Brazil in the next few years I can just use the same eVisa and not have to re-apply for a new one? Good thing I didn't delete the file yet.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3065130]I got that eVisa for the Brazil trip I just came back from in April. You mean that if I return back to Brazil in the next few years I can just use the same eVisa and not have to re-apply for a new one? Good thing I didn't delete the file yet.[/QUOTE]

Yes, it's a 10 yr multiple entry e-visa valid for stays up to 90 days per visit in a 12-month period.

[QUOTE=JuneFly;3065117]Has anyone here applied for and received the Indonesia digital nomad Visa or second home visa? Is it worth it? I just want to pay one fee one time and not have to think about it again for years. In my experience, the 30 day Indonesia e-visa for $35 is pretty limiting, single entry, valid for only 30 days, and renewable just once for another 30 days, which is a crap. I recently applied for a Brazil e-visa and got a 10 year multiple entry visa for only $80, which is a sweet deal.[/QUOTE]The second home visa seems like a terrible deal. It requires you deposit 2 billion IDR into a state owned bank and it has to just sit there and do nothing but lose value. The bank probably pays max 1-2% interest on a currency that has depreciated almost 20% against other major currencies the past 5 years. You also lose about 3% a year to inflation. If you have money to burn, it might be worth the convenience. But for most folks it seems like a terrible deal.

Haven't looked into the digital nomad visa. But I am pretty sure you have to show foreign income for it. Is probably great for influencers.

[QUOTE=NoGermaphobe;3065186]The second home visa seems like a terrible deal. It requires you deposit 2 billion IDR into a state owned bank and it has to just sit there and do nothing but lose value. The bank probably pays max 1-2% interest on a currency that has depreciated almost 20% against other major currencies the past 5 years. You also lose about 3% a year to inflation. If you have money to burn, it might be worth the convenience. But for most folks it seems like a terrible deal.

Haven't looked into the digital nomad visa. But I am pretty sure you have to show foreign income for it. Is probably great for influencers.[/QUOTE]If you get a regular visa not the one on arrival you can stay half a year. It takes 1-2 weeks to get it, don't do it in the last moment.

Here is mine, redacted FBI style to protect the innocents:

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3065223]If you get a regular visa not the one on arrival you can stay half a year. It takes 1-2 weeks to get it, don't do it in the last moment.

Here is mine, redacted FBI style to protect the innocents:[/QUOTE]Indeed. I think this is called B211A. Good for 60 days and can be extended twice more for 60 days each for that 180 day total. Still not quite good for long term duration. Like over 5-10 years and multiple entries. There are just such limited visa options in Indo for this.

[QUOTE=JuneFly;3065117]Has anyone here applied for and received the Indonesia digital nomad Visa or second home visa? Is it worth it? I just want to pay one fee one time and not have to think about it again for years. In my experience, the 30 day Indonesia e-visa for $35 is pretty limiting, single entry, valid for only 30 days, and renewable just once for another 30 days, which is a crap. I recently applied for a Brazil e-visa and got a 10 year multiple entry visa for only $80, which is a sweet deal.[/QUOTE]With Indonesia you're liable for income tax a soon as you get a long-term visa, either on worldwide income, or at least on your remitted income. There's no 180-day rule like in Thailand.

[QUOTE=XXL;3065230]With Indonesia you're liable for income tax a soon as you get a long-term visa, either on worldwide income, or at least on your remitted income. There's no 180-day rule like in Thailand.[/QUOTE]They won't enforce it.

They won't give you tax ID unless you have earnings business inside Indonesia.

But on books it is you owe taxes if more than 180 day stay.

Few other countries enforce taxes if they know you have income from outside.

Ideally each country collect what is earned in their currency but someone can answer about on book rules vs actual enforcement.

Does anybody know how it works if you go out of the country and reenter with a new visa, does the 180 countdown starts fresh?

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3065358]Does anybody know how it works if you go out of the country and reenter with a new visa, does the 180 countdown starts fresh?[/QUOTE]C1 Single Entry Tourist Visa: Grants 60 days on arrival and can be extended twice (60 days per extension) for a total of 180 days.

D1 Multiple Entry Tourist Visa: Allows a 60-day stay per entry, extensible up to 180 days. After 180 days, you must leave the country, though you can re-enter with the same visa.

[QUOTE=SwashBuckler77;3062593]Tapping into the knowledge of well traveled mongerers here. Out of all your travels, which countries consistently provide tip top GFE levels of service?

I have only been mongering for 3 years. My comparison size is fairly small (only repeat trips to Thailand and Panama). I had Jakarta on my last itinerary (Feb-Mar 2026) but I ended up having so much action in Thailand, I canceled my entire Jakarta stop. While I did enjoy the look and feel of Colombianas during my Panama trip, I only got good GFE on repeat visits. I give the Colombians from Panama a 6. 5/10 for enthusiastic GFE.

Thailand's GFE has been otherwordly every single trip. Definitely 9/10 from a GFE perspective. Hell the GFE is so convincing, if you are not careful the fantasy blends with reality. My next trip is June 2026. I am committed to hit Jakarta first this time so I can at least increase my GFE sample size. For some context, while I have dabbled in bottom dollar street meat, cum stained mattresses, and spots with zero washroom and 100% cold transactional. My preference shades more to high-end luxury and GFE types of experiences.[/QUOTE]Can you share what mode of mongering in Thailand you are getting the highend GFE experience? Spas? Online ladies? Thermae? I just came off of spending a big chunk of time in Jakarta and did the different modes of mongering spas, apps, twitter, BATS, et al. Over time I developed a nice rotation of GFEs that were my type who would spend the night. For me it was a combination of putting in time and also that there are just so many ways to meet girls in Indonesia. My experience in Thailand has been a bit more business like. But perhaps I am not going about it the right way or to the right places. Despite this I do think the girls in Thailand are more consistently skilled. Do you speak Thai?

[QUOTE=Lumens;3065659]Can you share what mode of mongering in Thailand you are getting the highend GFE experience? Spas? Online ladies? Thermae? I just came off of spending a big chunk of time in Jakarta and did the different modes of mongering spas, apps, twitter, BATS, et al. Over time I developed a nice rotation of GFEs that were my type who would spend the night. For me it was a combination of putting in time and also that there are just so many ways to meet girls in Indonesia. My experience in Thailand has been a bit more business like. But perhaps I am not going about it the right way or to the right places. Despite this I do think the girls in Thailand are more consistently skilled. Do you speak Thai?[/QUOTE]Dating sites (Tinder), warm approach (hotels, mall, market), nightclubs (thai, salsa, reggaeton, edm), bars, gentlemen's clubs. I do an extreme amount of filtering to weed out 90% that won't be a good fit. I am somewhat picky and have specific tastes. Once I have a few (normally 3-5) in the funnel, I take things slow and just hang out casually to see if we are compatible. Some just want to head straight to horizontal acrobatics while others show much more of an interest in me as a person. The latter are the ones I go after. Maybe fthe former in a pinch.

In all these scenarios, I never ever go after the hottest chic that is aloof and on her phone. The lady initiates some form of non-verbal communication persistently. I don't speak Thai. Maybe 5 or so phrases. I tend to go to places that are more Thai and less foreigner friendly. Bars / nightspots that are Thai only are a gold mine of curious Thail ladies with almost zero exposure. I routinely go to places where I am the only foreigner in the entire establishment.

For dating apps, I weed out all chics that use filters, ladyboys, freelancers, and super hot chics. That is not what I am going for. I am going for a normal (maybe lonely) lady and GND types that are not specifically looking for sex. I put no sex in my profile! I am looking for a genuine tour guide that speaks Thai, some english / willing to google translate that can show me around, have a drink / grab a bite to eat at local Thai location. These ladies are a gold mind of information. I quickly move off dating platform and on to Line / Whatsapp and set up an initailly meet / greet. Very non-threatening atmosphere and they quickly let their guard down. If she is cool, we will go on 2 or 3 outings and we become friends. 100% of the time, if a Thai lady goes out with a foreigner, she definitly wants to fuck them. They are just waiting on me to make move. Sometimes I do. Sometimes I don't (not my type for whatever reason).

If we have great chemistry, the bedroom activity will happen quickly but I have built up so much social cred, if feels organic. Even the pros / semi-pros have feelings, likes / dislikes, etc. I never take a pro / semi-pro out of a bar, gents club, or nightspot that isn't actively trying to grope / kiss me secretly. Not saying it can't happen but I have never had a lady be GFE active in public and turn it off when we are alone.

Tinder / Warm approach are usually 2nd or 3rd hangout and then we for sure know if we are compatible and GFE is a given. Clubs / bars approach only takes a couple of hours, a few drinks, talking and maybe dancing to know if we are compatible / GFE (no surprising cost associated, just a light "gift" is expected).

To wrap this all up, there are some things working in my favor. I work remotely so I have lots of time to travel. I am tall, slim with a muscular build (188 cm /93 kgs). I always dress like old money, take 2-3 showers per day, get mani / pedi every 2 weeks, get haircut every 7 days, and smell extravagant. I look like I am in my early 30's. I am a social person that is generous. I am on the extreme end of outgoing in very strange environments (singing / dancing Isaan songs when I hear them for example). I have zero issues talking to and dating 8-10's in my personal civilian life (Europe or USA) so no amount of beauty has me in awe. I lived 14 years of my adult life abroad (I. E not my home country). Some things working against me: I am not a white European looking person, I am not a sponsor.

Sounds like we both have similar strategies. I am hitting up Jakarta for the first time in June / July of this year. Maybe you can give me some pointers. I am 100% satisfied with Thailand but I really need to at least give Indo a shot. How long were you in Jakarta to build your rotation? I normally spend 30 - 45 days each time in Thailand. By day 10, I have a solid rotation. The first 7 days, I go on probably 10-15 dates (sometimes 2 per day). By my second week, I shut down Tinder and just focus on my rotation.

Hey guys, I moved to South Jakarta some time ago and was wondering if you know any Kota Indah style bars in Cilantak or Fatmawati?

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[QUOTE=SwashBuckler77;3065728]I am hitting up Jakarta for the first time in June / July of this year. Maybe you can give me some pointers.[/QUOTE]Oh man, you going to love Jakarta. Not only for mongering, but also for dating. It's absolute next level here. Never seen something like it.

It's a big city, so you have to set your priorities – if you want to be close to the best brothels you need to stay close to Kota Indah, a small area near the Jakarta Kota station which is Jakarta's popular red light district where you'll pay on avg 350-400 k / pop.

If you want to have the best gastronomy, clubbing, atmosphere, people experience – you need to stay in South Jakarta, especially around Senopati, Blok M or Dharmawangsa. Actually, in Dharmawangsa is a really good underground brothel run in a boarding house where they have 15-20 young good looking chicks for only 250 k the pop.

For day gaming, I can recommend Pacific Place, Jl Senopati, Dharmawangsa Square and little Tokyo, there you'll find the hottest chicks in all of Jakarta – from coporate chicks to hipster girls to rich kids, all covered there.

If you want to strategically position yourself in-between South and North Jakarta (so basically between Kota Indah and Senopati) to get the best of both worlds, you should stay near MRT Bundaran Hi, from there you still have access to a lot of good bars and malls where you can day game and you can reach both hot spots in North and South with in a similar timespan.

Dm me if you want more specific recommendations for bars or brothels.

[QUOTE=NoGermaphobe;3065186]The second home visa seems like a terrible deal. It requires you deposit 2 billion IDR into a state owned bank and it has to just sit there and do nothing but lose value. The bank probably pays max 1-2% interest on a currency that has depreciated almost 20% against other major currencies the past 5 years. You also lose about 3% a year to inflation. If you have money to burn, it might be worth the convenience. But for most folks it seems like a terrible deal.

Haven't looked into the digital nomad visa. But I am pretty sure you have to show foreign income for it. Is probably great for influencers.[/QUOTE]I have one year digital nomad visa. I don't recommend it. Its expensive (I goes thru a service) and I need to show proofs of income. And if I stay in Indo for more than 6 months, need to file taxes. And from what I hear, Indonesia tax law is not kind to expats. If you choosing to delcare.

There are also a bunch of massage ++ places in Dharmawangsa in the same plaza area. Fortune, the'heaven, deltA, etc.

Sorry, don't know the name of area.

[QUOTE=AttilaTheHun;3066222]Hey guys, I moved to South Jakarta some time ago and was wondering if you know any Kota Indah style bars in Cilantak or Fatmawati?

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Oh man, you going to love Jakarta. Not only for mongering, but also for dating. It's absolute next level here. Never seen something like it.

It's a big city, so you have to set your priorities if you want to be close to the best brothels you need to stay close to Kota Indah, a small area near the Jakarta Kota station which is Jakarta's popular red light district where you'll pay on avg 350-400 k / pop.

If you want to have the best gastronomy, clubbing, atmosphere, people experience you need to stay in South Jakarta, especially around Senopati, Blok M or Dharmawangsa. Actually, in Dharmawangsa is a really good underground brothel run in a boarding house where they have 15-20 young good looking chicks for only 250 k the pop..[/QUOTE]

Forum was getting boring so why not brighten the mood, this is my Jakarta girl took her to bali for 3 days and paid her 5 mio worth it totally. Her attitude was great, never said no for anything or anytime, banged her at 2 am and she had her legs open with a smile, then again at 5 am, once before we left for breakfast and then a BBBJ right after that. She never wore any bra or panties in the trip, just had a short top and hot pants or a small skirt throughout. I had my hands inside her clothes and on one occasion got a BBBJ after a massage session in the parlour itself. She never insisted on going to beach clubs or fancy restaurants, a normal decent restaurant would be good for her. Banged her in the balcony, in the laguna pool, she had a yes to everything. Drama free and is passport ready for my next trip abroad. Wanted to stay the extra day but I had another girl visiting me. In hindsight threesome would have been ideal. Enjoy!

Well, all the negative talks about Travel being condom BJ and my streak of not witnessing it has finally caught up.

After my long long flight and slept deprivation, I decided to hit up Travel. Because I'm staying close by.

My no condom BJ streak, of 2 or 3, got slapped to the wind.

Not only that, this was the first girl that asked for a tip and gave sad face when I gave a 50 k; she asked for another.

Said nope and we walk out of the room. Still had fun with her.

Just came back from T2 and much better there. I'll post when I'm not using my phone.

Travelling with partner to Jakarta in a few months. Any short time fun near Grand Hyatt where I can "disappear" and have my dick massaged / sucked by 1-2 providers?

[QUOTE=United1;3066274]I have one year digital nomad visa. I don't recommend it. Its expensive (I goes thru a service) and I need to show proofs of income. And if I stay in Indo for more than 6 months, need to file taxes. And from what I hear, Indonesia tax law is not kind to expats. If you choosing to delcare.[/QUOTE]Service.

Do you mean you use agent in Jakarta.

Heard agents in bali do without full income proof, add extra fees and they will do their contact immi officer.

Can you share how much cost for 1 yr with your agent or you used own bank account proofs and got lower price on website.

There was a time their entire visa system was shutdown due to vulnerability security issues.

Would be bad if your personal pii bank statements all got in wrong hands or some immi guy sell your info if you are high income target.

Don't think I read the new pricing, but.

T2 for 1 is 375 K now and the same 5 K ticket.

T5 for 1 is still 365 K and 0 ticket (used to be 5 K).

Not sure what ticket price would be if you don't take a girl.

[QUOTE=Tommyh80;3066339]Travelling with partner to Jakarta in a few months. Any short time fun near Grand Hyatt where I can "disappear" and have my dick massaged / sucked by 1-2 providers?[/QUOTE]Grand Hyatt is in Central Jakarta, you will need to travel to the North, South, East, West for most bars and spas. If you are short on time, you can try the spa inside Sarinah Mall, Sikandi or something, not sure about the exact name, next to Optik Melawai eyewear. It is not guaranteed, but if you are friendly, persuasive, willing to be generous chances are good.

[QUOTE=GCNovice;3066653]Not sure what ticket price would be if you don't take a girl.[/QUOTE]If you're talking about the entry fee, it's:

30 K at T2.

10 K at T5.

14 K at Travel.

[QUOTE=SuperLove;3066301]Forum was getting boring so why not brighten the mood, this is my Jakarta girl took her to bali for 3 days and paid her 5 mio worth it totally. Her attitude was great, never said no for anything or anytime, banged her at 2 am and she had her legs open with a smile, then again at 5 am, once before we left for breakfast and then a BBBJ right after that. She never wore any bra or panties in the trip, just had a short top and hot pants or a small skirt throughout. I had my hands inside her clothes and on one occasion got a BBBJ after a massage session in the parlour itself. She never insisted on going to beach clubs or fancy restaurants, a normal decent restaurant would be good for her. Banged her in the balcony, in the laguna pool, she had a yes to everything. Drama free and is passport ready for my next trip abroad. Wanted to stay the extra day but I had another girl visiting me. In hindsight threesome would have been ideal. Enjoy![/QUOTE]They are lovely, well done. Attitude matters more than anything, doesn't have to be a model, just someone warm and eager to please.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3066733]If you're talking about the entry fee, it's:

30 K at T2.

10 K at T5.

14 K at Travel.[/QUOTE]Interesting how they charge so much more at T2 compared to T5. I would have thought it would be reversed since T5 is smaller and more relaxed atmosphere than T2 - don't know if all the pool tables have something do to with it for higher fees at T2. I forgot but are these entry fees waived if you take a girl?

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3066833]Interesting how they charge so much more at T2 compared to T5. I would have thought it would be reversed since T5 is smaller and more relaxed atmosphere than T2 - don't know if all the pool tables have something do to with it for higher fees at T2. I forgot but are these entry fees waived if you take a girl?[/QUOTE]At classic there is no cover charge. (Never been to travel) There is a minimum consumption charge. With one beer ($3 USD) you cover the minimum which is like $3 USD. So any variation between clubs is noise.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3066833]Interesting how they charge so much more at T2 compared to T5. I would have thought it would be reversed since T5 is smaller and more relaxed atmosphere than T2[/QUOTE]For perspective, you are interested in the differential between USD0. 60 (IDR10 k) and USD1. 80 (IDR30 k). I do respect however this could be bank for a meal at Joni Steak for some, so perhaps not so trivial. Enjoy Jakarta, AR.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3066836]At classic there is no cover charge. (Never been to travel) There is a minimum consumption charge. With one beer ($3 USD) you cover the minimum which is like $3 USD. So any variation between clubs is noise.[/QUOTE]A variation of both noise and smoke would be nice. Hate having to shower after any visit to T2 with all that smoke in my hair and clothes. If T5 is significantly less for these factors I would gladly spend most of my time there.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3066833]I forgot but are these entry fees waived if you take a girl?[/QUOTE]There's still 5 K to be paid if you didn't buy a drink in T2.

I'm not sure about T5, I think I always took a drink there.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3066833]Interesting how they charge so much more at T2 compared to T5. I would have thought it would be reversed since T5 is smaller and more relaxed atmosphere than T2 - don't know if all the pool tables have something do to with it for higher fees at T2.[/QUOTE]T2 is the place that attracts all the customers in that building.

T5 barely gets a handful of customers any time I've been there. And given the b attitude of many of their girls, even the 10 K entry fee is probably already too much.

Day game at pacific place? Please enlighten me. I do visit the place often for work but never experienced any opportunity

[QUOTE=AttilaTheHun;3066222]Hey guys, I moved to South Jakarta some time ago and was wondering if you know any Kota Indah style bars in Cilantak or Fatmawati?

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Oh man, you going to love Jakarta. Not only for mongering, but also for dating. It's absolute next level here. Never seen something like it.

It's a big city, so you have to set your priorities if you want to be close to the best brothels you need to stay close to Kota Indah, a small area near the Jakarta Kota station which is Jakarta's popular red light district where you'll pay on avg 350-400 k / pop.

If you want to have the best gastronomy, clubbing, atmosphere, people experience you need to stay in South Jakarta, especially around Senopati, Blok M or Dharmawangsa. Actually, in Dharmawangsa is a really good underground brothel run in a boarding house where they have 15-20 young good looking chicks for only 250 k the pop.

For day gaming, I can recommend Pacific Place, Jl Senopati, Dharmawangsa Square and little Tokyo, there you'll find the hottest chicks in all of Jakarta from coporate chicks to hipster girls to rich kids, all covered there.

If you want to strategically position yourself in-between South and North Jakarta (so basically between Kota Indah and Senopati) to get the best of both worlds, you should stay near MRT Bundaran Hi, from there you still have access to a lot of good bars and malls where you can day game and you can reach both hot spots in North and South with in a similar timespan.

Dm me if you want more specific recommendations for bars or brothels.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=AttilaTheHun;3066222]Hey guys, I moved to South Jakarta some time ago and was wondering if you know any Kota Indah style bars in Cilantak or Fatmawati?

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Oh man, you going to love Jakarta. Not only for mongering, but also for dating. It's absolute next level here. Never seen something like it.

It's a big city, so you have to set your priorities if you want to be close to the best brothels you need to stay close to Kota Indah, a small area near the Jakarta Kota station which is Jakarta's popular red light district where you'll pay on avg 350-400 k / pop.

If you want to have the best gastronomy, clubbing, atmosphere, people experience you need to stay in South Jakarta, especially around Senopati, Blok M or Dharmawangsa. Actually, in Dharmawangsa is a really good underground brothel run in a boarding house where they have 15-20 young good looking chicks for only 250 k the pop.

For day gaming, I can recommend Pacific Place, Jl Senopati, Dharmawangsa Square and little Tokyo, there you'll find the hottest chicks in all of Jakarta from coporate chicks to hipster girls to rich kids, all covered there.

If you want to strategically position yourself in-between South and North Jakarta (so basically between Kota Indah and Senopati) to get the best of both worlds, you should stay near MRT Bundaran Hi, from there you still have access to a lot of good bars and malls where you can day game and you can reach both hot spots in North and South with in a similar timespan.

Dm me if you want more specific recommendations for bars or brothels.[/QUOTE]Thanks for all the recommendations. I really appreciate you taking the time to write this up. Jakarta sounds amazing, especially the food scene and the overall atmosphere in South Jakarta. I'll probably focus more on the gastronomy, cafs, bars, and just meeting people naturally rather than the brothel side of things. Senopati, Blok M, and Dharmawangsa sound much more like my vibe. In a pinch, I might try out one of the higher end brothels.

I'm definitely interested in good restaurants, nightlife, and normal dates / social spots though. Once I get closer to my trip, I might send you a DM for some focused information. Thanks again!

If you look good, don't have a ponch, smell fine and talk half decent you can pull off girls easily from the malls and the streets. Girls in Jakarta are very open minded, easy going and very horny. Indo men neither look after themselves nor their babes, just approach a girl and talk to her for 2 minutes, you will be surprised not only will she share but also expect you to message her soon. Best targets would be hostesses at bars and restaurants, front desk girls at hotels and coffee shops.

[QUOTE=SwashBuckler77;3066947]Thanks for all the recommendations. I really appreciate you taking the time to write this up. Jakarta sounds amazing, especially the food scene and the overall atmosphere in South Jakarta. I'll probably focus more on the gastronomy, cafs, bars, and just meeting people naturally rather than the brothel side of things. Senopati, Blok M, and Dharmawangsa sound much more like my vibe. In a pinch, I might try out one of the higher end brothels.

I'm definitely interested in good restaurants, nightlife, and normal dates / social spots though. Once I get closer to my trip, I might send you a DM for some focused information. Thanks again![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3066733]30 K at T2.[/QUOTE]Just a little correction, it's 35 K at T2.

[QUOTE=SuperLove;3067035]If you look good, don't have a ponch, smell fine and talk half decent you can pull off girls easily from the malls and the streets. Girls in Jakarta are very open minded, easy going and very horny. Indo men neither look after themselves nor their babes, just approach a girl and talk to her for 2 minutes, you will be surprised not only will she share but also expect you to message her soon. Best targets would be hostesses at bars and restaurants, front desk girls at hotels and coffee shops.[/QUOTE]Sounds very interesting. Any theories on why Indo ladies in Jakarta that are not pros are so open and horny?

[QUOTE=SwashBuckler77;3067118]Sounds very interesting. Any theories on why Indo ladies in Jakarta that are not pros are so open and horny?[/QUOTE]Indonesian ladies seem better looking than the men, it maybe the women place a stronger cultural emphasis on grooming, skincare, fashion, presentation. A lot of Indonesian men do not have resources to invest in themselves or spoiling the ladies which can leave the women feeling ignored, hence they are open and horny to reach out to men who can provide them emotionally and financially. Indonesia's population, geography, economy makes travel difficult and expensive. A few good looking girls I met in Jakarta told me they haven't had a good sex in long time.

[QUOTE=JuneFly;3067321]Indonesian ladies seem better looking than the men, it maybe the women place a stronger cultural emphasis on grooming, skincare, fashion, presentation. A lot of Indonesian men do not have resources to invest in themselves or spoiling the ladies which can leave the women feeling ignored, hence they are open and horny to reach out to men who can provide them emotionally and financially. Indonesia's population, geography, economy makes travel difficult and expensive. A few good looking girls I met in Jakarta told me they haven't had a good sex in long time.[/QUOTE]The women catch up to, and sometimes leapfrog, the men in aging once they pump out a baby. OTOH, if men have resources they spend it on P4 P fucking just like we do. From what I know hanging around Indonesian guys, this applies across all socioeconomic classes. AR.

For those planning a trip to Jakarta and Indonesia, I thought this info might be useful.

All 4 of my hotels blocked my VPN as well as this website. Those planning a trip to Indonesia might want to keep in mind that access to ISG is not guaranteed, so plan ahead.

I am quoting a lot of prices and have converted to USD based on rates around early May 2026, Indonesia's inflation is wild so all these prices are probably already out of date. Logistically, I found the ATMs at the airport were all out of money, so don't count on pulling money at the airport, but you might get lucky. I found BCA ATMs allowed the highest withdrawal limit of 2. 5 million IDR per a draw and you can withdraw multiple time in a row. The other bank ATMs I tried had a laughably small withdrawal limit of 1 million IDR ($57.47 USD), tough when you are planning on paying SBs or having multiple sessions a day. I know it is well known, but it doesn't hurt to reiterate, always decline the conversion unless you want to pay more transaction fees.

When scheduling dates and video calls, Indonesia appears to run on a 24 hour clock, not a 12 hour clock with AM and PM like us silly Americans.

I failed to get a SIM card at the airport due to lack of local currency and attempts at stores in town led to the guy trying to find where to put the SIM card when I specifically told him at the beginning my iPhone is e-SIM only. Luckily, T-Mobile's free international data worked just barely well enough for Grab almost all the time, which was the primary reason I required data.

Grab is really easy from the airport into town and really everywhere you want to travel in town, just find the correct Grab booth or chairs, into city center it cost me 326,000 IDR ($18.74 USD) for a premium ride and 195,700 IDR ($11.26 USD) for a normal ride including airport fees, tolls and tip. Smaller towns and outer islands don't necessary have Grab and you will be reduced to negotiating with taxi drivers.

On my first day, I went to an Apotek to pick up some tadalafil or blue pills, but was thrown off my the high numbers. 4 pills of tadalafil was 380,000 IDR ($21.84) and 4 blue pills was 135,000 ($7.77), although the pharmacist tried to rip off the price sticker while I was looking to buy. When I realized the next day that this was about $5 and less than $2 a pill, I stopped in a different Apotek and bought a box of 28 tadalafil, 2.5 MG for 1.52 million IDR ($87.36 or $3.12 per pill).

If you want to follow chronological, please see my SA post Day 1 Jakarta Arrival and Fail next.

[QUOTE=SwashBuckler77;3066947]Thanks for all the recommendations. I really appreciate you taking the time to write this up. Jakarta sounds amazing, especially the food scene and the overall atmosphere in South Jakarta. I'll probably focus more on the gastronomy, cafs, bars, and just meeting people naturally rather than the brothel side of things. Senopati, Blok M, and Dharmawangsa sound much more like my vibe. In a pinch, I might try out one of the higher end brothels.

I'm definitely interested in good restaurants, nightlife, and normal dates / social spots though. Once I get closer to my trip, I might send you a DM for some focused information. Thanks again![/QUOTE]My pleasure. Hmu any time mate.

[QUOTE=PartyAnimal;3066895]Day game at pacific place? Please enlighten me. I do visit the place often for work but never experienced any opportunity .[/QUOTE]It's quite simple really. You walk around, if you see a nice chick you walk over to her and talk to her. Conversion rates are quite high / rejection rate quite low, since they adore foreigners.

After my Day 1 SA fail, I headed straight to Classics arriving at 8:30 PM. Thank god for back up plans. Based on the forums wonderful recommendations, thank you for all that contributed, I headed up to T2. As I entered the building, T1 is on the first floor, T2 is on the 3rd floor, so keep taking those escalators up if you are looking for T2.

The 8+ girls really do get snatched up quickly and are basically all hanging off a Chinese guy's arm (I will explain why in a future post). Having RTFF, I snatched up the first hot thing I saw no second guessing without even a full look, just based on her body as she was walking past one time. I picked up "A" with her perfect 10 body in a white fishnet dress, that left little to the imagination, it's nice when they make it easy. 22 years old (although she will tell you 20), 3 months on the job, 5'1" and maybe 85 lbs. A nice little spinner I found I could easily pick up off the ground to reposition when having sex. She had natural tits that defied gravity, soft full see cups that stuck out like torpedoes. Nice soft smooth light skin, long skinny legs, tiny little ass, and a waist so small I could practically wrap my hands around it. Hips and big bundas are nice sometimes, but small asses with tinier waists are great for really getting deep inside. Overall body was a 10 in my book, think pornstar Janice Griffith when she was younger. She had long black hair, a face that was heavily made up but looked decent in the low light of the club. I was infatuated by her big eyes with huge pupils (I later found out these are the result of contact lenses that are common these day). In the low light of the club, overall face was a 7, in full daylight later with make up off, her face was a 5 due to acne and acne scarring. Combined visual score around a 7.5 maybe.

There was a wait for a room, so she sat with me while I had a beer and she drank a non alcoholic strawberry drink, which probably costs me as much as an alcoholic drink at Classics. Virtually no English, so conversation was limited and through Google Translate. I used my phone freely without the need to put it in a bag like the forum described, must have been a fad that ended with too many complaints.

Finally got to the room, she was an aggressive and excellent DFK, I had asked beforehand. We showered separately, then continued with the DFK. After a Listerine wipe down, she didn't hesitate with a BBBJ, no need to even ask. With her limited English, I enjoyed how she described how big and hard I was, at least she was trying to play the part. Unfortunately, the BBBJ was below average and I could tell she didn't enjoy it. Condom on and she slide me into her cowgirl. Damn she was tight (you got to love tiny spinners), and she was definitely a pro on top and really knew how to ride. She was trimmed, but not shaven and did not use any lube, but stopped periodically to add spit (I later found out the mamasan's teach the girls to use baby oil before they head to the room because it's cheaper than lube). Penetration was nice wet sticky fun with lots of excursion in and out. She tired rather quickly and said my turn, so I picked her up and laid her down for miss without slipping out. She raised her legs to give me full access into her and I laid into her. I positioned her into spoon and enjoyed more of her with access to her great tits. My internal clock kicked in, I think we only get 45 minutes, so I asked her to finish me with a HJ. She helped clean me up and the phone rang while I was showering, so perfect timing. Tipped her 100,000 IDR ($5.75 USD) for the BBBJ in hopes of encouraging continued BBBJ, even if they are bad. Service score was a 6, good DFK, bad BBBJ, tight pussy, limited stamina and effort as the hotter ones typically don't have to give much effort because they will always get chosen.

Back out on the floor, several doable girls were available, but all the really hot ones stayed attached to the arms of generally Chinese men on the floor at the tables drinking. The mamasans were aggressive and kept trying to flag me down and give me line ups, but getting me another beer took considerably longer, serving drinks is also part of their job it seems.

I didn't see anyone better than "A" although some equivalent, and low and behold, about 20 minutes after I finished with her, she was back on the floor being dragged to a line up by a mamasan. I decided to grab her for round 2 hoping to build something more. I pulled her away just as the guy was picking her from the line up she was in. My bad, sorry buddy. There was no wait for a room this time, so we showered and continued with DFK. Another Listerine wipe down followed by another below average BBBJ, she licked my balls this time, but this BJ was shorter than the last one. She started with cowgirl again, gave better effort and the suction of her tight pussy felt really good. She tired again, said "your turn" and I went to work. Love being able to pick a girl up like it's nothing. About 30 min in, I went soft due to the short turnaround and regretted not buying that tadalafil or little blue helper earlier in the day. We cuddled and I got her WhatsApp number until the phone rang. Tipped another 100,000 IDR ($5.75 USD), it was another BBBJ afterall.

Tired from the ridiculously long flight from America, I called it a night and went back to my hotel alone. Total damage at Classics for 2 units of time and 3 drinks was around 875,000 IDR ($50.35 USD). If you want to follow chronological, please see my Seeking Arrangements post Day 2 Jakarta. Stupid Augment Reality Filters next.

Ratings: Face with make up = 7, Body = 10, Attitude = 7, Service = 6.

[QUOTE=EasyIslandLife;3067604]All 4 of my hotels blocked my VPN as well as this website. Those planning a trip to Indonesia might want to keep in mind that access to ISG is not guaranteed, so plan ahead.[/QUOTE]I always had to use a VPN because the government is blocking ISG. But I never heard of somebody blocking a VPN service. Are you sure you used it correctly?

[QUOTE=Safado70;3067756]I always had to use a VPN because the government is blocking ISG. But I never heard of somebody blocking a VPN service. Are you sure you used it correctly?[/QUOTE]I got blocked on my Simpati internet data when I set my VPN (ExpressVPN) on "Indonesia". It was not only ISG that was blocked. I simply couldn't access the internet anymore. This was probably consistent with VPN policy, ie each server location abiding by the local law. I wouldn't be surprised if Indonesia had a law banning the use of VPNs.

If I now set my VPN to "France" for example, I get prompted for age verification whenever I try to access porn sites. I need to switch to eg Singapore or Hong Kong to be able to access porn sites without hassle.

Some months ago I noticed Yandex's image search didn't work any more unless I set my VPN to "Switzerland".

[QUOTE=AttilaTheHun;3067747]It's quite simple really. You walk around, if you see a nice chick you walk over to her and talk to her. Conversion rates are quite high / rejection rate quite low, since they adore foreigners.[/QUOTE]When you mention foreigners you mean only white or Asians as well?

Curious what is the first question you ask and how you continue conversation since they might not know English.

Regarding the VPN, I honestly didn't try that hard to figure it out. The website I use to access my VPN wouldn't load correctly, so I couldn't connect and after a couple of tries gave up. Worked fine before I left and after I got back to America, so something blocked that specific VPN website.

I contacted "A" on WhatsApp hoping she would be less tired and provide a better performance before work. She came around 1 PM with that smoking hot body in a pant suit. In full daylight, I had to revise her facial score down a bit, but her body was still a perfect 10. I promised $200 USD for 3 hours of her time before she had to head to work at 4 PM. We got comfortable with each other in the hotel room and I found out her normal rate for day game is 2 million IDR ($115 USD) if she doesn't have to miss work and 3 million IDR ($173) if she has to miss work.

DFK continued to be great. She gave more effort in the BBBJ, wetter, sloppier with ball licking, but it is just not her thing. She was clean shaven down below this time. Condom on and went into cowgirl, she's just damn talented and experienced at riding and moving those hips for great excursion, definitely an experienced pro, just a sweet young one. My turn came and I positioned her in front of the mirror in the room, she laughed. Multiple positions thanks to lube on hand, she took it like a champ and I could feel her orgasms. After we were exhausted, I let her finish me with a HJ.

We cuddled and talked via Google Translate and I got a lot of inside info on Classics. After learning about the fine at Classics for missed work, I decided to pay her 5 million IDR monthly penalty and gave her $300 (5. 2 million IDR) so she could travel with me instead of the $200 I promised. Day game performance was a 7, superb DFK, still below average BBBJ, tight pussy, and more stamina as we went at it for a long while. If you want to follow chronological, please see my SA post Jakarta Day 4 Continue. A necessary night off next.

Ratings: Face with make up = 6, Body = 10, Attitude = 8, Service = 7.

[QUOTE=EasyIslandLife;3067754]Virtually no English, so conversation was limited and through Google Translate. I used my phone freely without the need to put it in a bag like the forum described, must have been a fad that ended with too many complaints.[/QUOTE]I think the posts about people being asked to put their phones in a bag at the entrance was about Emporium only, never read anything saying that about Classic.

[QUOTE=EasyIslandLife;3067754]If you want to follow chronological, please see my Seeking Arrangements post Day 2 Jakarta. Stupid Augment Reality Filters next.[/QUOTE]What is that Seeking stuff that you talk about, why not posting these stories directly in this thread as it is about Jakarta?

I'm using the Seeking Arrangements thread for my encounters related to Seeking and the Jakarta Thread for encounters related to Classics. No specific reason why, just because. That makes sense about the camera bags, thank you for clarifying.

I agreed to take "A" to Yogyakarta for the next week of my trip after paying her 5 million IDR penalty for missing work. She had to get her ID from the agency she worked for that brought her to Classics and put down a deposit to carry her own ID. She showed up at 2 PM wearing a form fitting dark brown dress. She appeared much better rested and comfortable with me this fourth time around. She was flirty and DFK and naked DFK out of the shower were excellent. Another below average BBBJ. Condom on, I entered her grippy pussy and she really went at it cowgirl with generally exceptional movement and effective twerking. I took over through multiple positions and after I tired, she put in the effort for another round of riding and we switched back and forth. Exhausted, we cuddled, then she showered and went to work at 5 PM. Overall services was an 8, sex was really good, just a weak BBBJ.

She had requested the day off, because once the girl pays the penalty for missed work for the month, she can miss as many days as she wants, but a client had requested her and prepaid 3 units of her time at Classics, so she had to go in for a half day. I gave her $200 plus 100,000 IDR ($5. 75) for the errands with Grab she had to run and agreed to meet her at the hotel the next day at 7:30 AM to head to the airport. If you want to follow chronological, please see my SA post Jakarta Day 5 - A prayer to the hotel cleaning gods next.

Ratings: Face with make up = 7, Body = 10, Attitude = 9, Service = 8.

So "A" from Classics showed up for a week long trip to Yogyakarta. I was looking for a SB GFE and generally got one. I had previously paid her 5 million IDR penalty for the month for missing work at Classics and paid her $1400 USD total for the week. I probably could have paid her considerably less (I'm guessing as little as $900), but a couple of hundred dollars either way means way less to me than to her. I had 3 days where I was gone during the day because I had things to take care of, so I gave her an additional 1 million IDR ($57.54) to spend while I was out. I also promised to take her shopping at the end where I spent 300,000 IDR ($17.26) on souvenirs for her friends and 387,000 IDR ($22.27) on make up for her.

We stayed at a nice resort and I gave her the authority to sign for room service and food, which she seemed very uncomfortable with. Instead, she bought ramen, chips and candy to sustain herself while I was gone, until I started making her sign for our dinners at the resort, then she finally went to the restaurant herself while I was out and got nasi goreng, I guess it's slightly healthier.

I got to know her pretty well and learned a lot about Classics. She is really a sweet young thing, into cute stuff, I poked fun at her for wearing the fluffy pink house slippers she bought for herself to the nice hotel restaurants and sightseeing. Typical Classics girl I'm guessing, growing up poor out in the country, junior high education (flunked / got kicked out of vocational high school), dad died when she was in junior high and she sends most of her money home to support her mom and little brother, family obligations. Due to her poor education and employment options, "A" dream is to find an agency that will ship her to Japan to work because she thinks it will pay better.

Everything went alright, but she was tired from working at Classics and mostly slept at night and during the day while I was out. Sex was pretty good, lots of DFK and I generally got CFS most mornings and every night, went through a lot of condoms and had to buy extra lube. One night she was really in the mood to try and satisfy me and rode me in all sorts of variations of cowgirl and reverse cowgirl for more than an hour, telling me "no" when I mentioned "my turn". So having her well rested definitely increased her stamina and physical effort. Basically, I gave her a nice break from having to fuck 5-6 guys a day at Classics.

I tried to convince her to go BBFS after finding out she had been tested the week before and was clean, but she was not on birth control and counting the days since her last menstruation cycle, at maximum fertility during the time period I was spending with her. She said she had only had BB sex once when she lost her virginity in vocational high school, although I think I earned enough trust with her to get it if I really pushed for it because at one point she was ready to go the Apotek with me to buy birth control. I'm not sure if it would have kicked in in time and probably should have bought some Plan be and gone to town in her.

Early part of the week, she was still providing below average BBBJ, but I let her stop because she really didn't like to give head. She was really good at sex, so there was less of a reason to tolerate crappy BBBJs. After a couple of days, she got pretty prickly down below, I asked her to shave and she complied for the rest of the trip. I started fingering her early on and later in the week she even asked to be fingered a couple of times during sex. A decent GFE, I enjoyed teasing her, especially her Rt nipple, as when sex was initiated her LT nipple would perk up instantly, but I had to really work and suck on that Rt nipple to get it to come out and play. Thus she nickname me Big Baby Big, but there was no way I was going to ignore those big, beautifully shaped, natural tits of her.

Overall week of sex was a 7, she got a bit too comfortable and started taking off her make up before sex at night which degraded the experience with her. Morning sex was always without make up for fear of messing up the hair and make up she took 2 hours to put on each morning before going out for even breakfast. She declined sex in the middle of the night every time and at least 3 of the mornings. After one mid week attempt to get her to have sex in the middle of the night, she stop wearing panties or shorts to bed and started wearing pajama tops and pants eliminating my opportunities to fondle and finger her in the middle of the night. Sad face.

My advice is to pick her up at Classics (make up on) while you can and appreciate her perfect 10 body, because the BJ is not going to be great and her diet of ramen, chips, candy, nasi goreng and generally fried foods means that perfect 10 body is not likely to last. Oh, and its going to be CFS, but YMMV.

Ratings: Face with make up = 7, Face without make up 5, Body = 10, Attitude = 8, Service = 7.

Here's the info I got on Classics from "A", I did spend more than a week with her. None of this info is new, but I only RTFF back about a year and a refresher is always nice.

The girls come from agencies that find them in less affluent areas, I know it comes as a shock that Indonesia might have poor villages. Many have friends in the profession that introduce them to the agency and I wouldn't be surprised if there is a head hunter kick back or finders fee, it's just how the world works. Not surprisingly, the girls are generally very poorly educated and have even fewer opportunities than the underemployed new university grads in Indonesia.

A single session / unit / block at Classics is 375,000 IDR ($21.57 USD), prices may have gone up as Indonesia's inflation is wild. Classics takes a cut for the club, room use and cleaning, the agencies take a large cut and have to pay off the fuzz (for their cut), and the mamasan's take a cut, leaving only 100,000 IDR ($5. 75 USD) per a customer session for the girl.

Classics is a tough place to work, several girls were crying, the mamasan's can be mean and get angry at them, they are all girls competing so they are mean girls to each other, they separate into competing cliques, etc. The girls are required to work 20 out of every 30 days, if she works less than 20 days, she is fined 5 million IDR ($287.69 USD. Which takes them 50 fucking sessions to pay off), so if you want to take a girl out to the point where she will miss work, you better make it worth the 5 million IDR penalty. Shifts are 12 hours long and they generally work 6-7 days per week, every girl misses about a week or more when they menstruate and bleed. If they come to work menstruating, it's because they don't want to or can't pay the penalty for missed work. They get a 15-20 minute break after fucking each client before the mamasan's will come get them. It is a high volume place, girls that are hot enough are expected to take 5-6 clients or more per a shift if they are chosen that often, why you rarely see the 8+ out on the floor, they are already on their backs or on a Chinese guys arm serving drinks and smoking. If the girls seem tired or starfishes, this is why, they are just exhausted. Without tip, 6 sessions is only $34.52, so these girls have to be high mileage or starve.

What all the girls are hoping for is to find a simp that'll pay Classics to have them serve drinks and smoke with them, which apparently some guys do. You got me, I can't figure out why. Or see clients outside of work, depending on the girl, the going rate seems to be 2 million IDR ($115 USD) to 3 million IDR ($173) which she doesn't have to share with the house. Be wary of how tired the girls are from working at Classics, potential of her missing too much work and having to pay the penalty, and making sure you are not seeing her on a day off on her menstruation cycle (unless blood and crime scenes are your thing, I don't judge). Either way, the price of these girls is on the lower end of SB options when compared to SA in Jakarta, but you'll probably end up with a much less educated SB. Brains, I'm sure are the first criteria for all of us when picking a girl in the hobby after all, LOL.

Most of the girls are NOT on birth control, their birth control method appears to be Plan be, which they have to pay for themselves (again these are not the brightest forward thinking minds). If you get BBFS CIP, you should probably tip at least enough for them to pay an Apotek for some Plan be and then some. If you want BBFS, the safest time is to fuck them the first day they get back from their menstruation week off, as all the girls are tested monthly every time they start menstruation so the results come back before they start work again. I wonder if there is ever a shortage of girls, because if enough of them live together in dorms, they're all going to end up on the same menstruation cycle just like a sorority, and all miss the same week of work.

If you are positive for anything, sick, whatever, fuck these girls and they catch something, the girls are still responsible for paying the penalty for missed work while they are on antibiotics, so for the sake of all of us that enjoy the hobby, please don't knowingly spread anything. Just finish the fucking antibiotics and the girls will welcome you back into their folds with open legs. I'm not shitting you, Classics is a great place except for the smokiness and I want to keep these girls around for all of us to enjoy.

How girls actually make money is through tips and outside Classics, almost all of them are looking for a date outside with someone that will treat them well as long as they feel safe. They have to feel safe and it's not hard to make them feel safe. Just be aware that if she is concerned about the monthly penalty (they all are until it's paid for the month), she may be bleeding during those days if she is taking off work. If crime scenes are not your thing, see them day game before work or pay them enough to cover the penalty and take home something on the side. You will likely get better service outside of Classics as they become more comfortable with you and because they just won't be as tired.

If she has already shown up to work and you want to take her for the night from Classics, the cost is supposed to be 375,000 IDR x however many blocks of time she has left in her 12 hour shift. If her shift is 3 PM to 3 AM, at 7 PM expect to pay up to 3 million IDR, at 12 AM it should only cost 1. 125 million IDR. Girls are generally missing for a couple of hours at the beginning and end of their shifts, putting on make up and doing hair takes several hours (why face painting is discouraged) and no one seems to care much at the end. The house I'm sure would love for you to take her out after midnight because they probably already made money off her fucking 4-5 guys and it maximizes her return during the dead period at the end of the day, sloppy seconds anyone.

Why the hot ones are always hanging off a Chinese guy's arm appears to be at least three folds. One is because small dicks are less painful for the girls (which is why many will reject black men leading to mamasan getting angry with them and them crying). Two is that the Chinese men are often in town on business with co workers or friends they are trying to impress with how much money they can spend (something I don't understand), so the Chinese men are more likely to pay for company that only requires serving drinks and smoking instead of endlessly fucking. Three is the primary reason, Chinese men have a reputation for tipping big, really big, again to show off to their co workings and friends how much money they can spend or whatever. Chinese men are by far the biggest tippers, one girl got an iPhone 16 last month worth probably 17 million IDR ($978.14) and they regularly tip 1 million ($57.54) to 5 million ($287.69) just for serving drinks and smokes, and maybe an actual session or two with the jungle (au naturel pubs, another part of their reputation both at Classics and Scandallo in Brazil). Reputations matter at Classics because the girls talk.

Indonesia is not a tipping culture, but you should probably tip your Grab driver 10,000 IDR ($0. 58) for the ride from the airport, your hotel cleaner 10,000 IDR per each day of cleaning and replacing your cum covered bed sheets, and these girls that work at Classics. Indonesian men have a reputation as the worse tippers, but still apparently tip 50,000-100,000 IDR ($2. 88-$5. 75). This goes out to the other Americans out there, I don't really care about the reputation of you other motherfuckers, but please tip a bit more, especially for BBBJ and BBFS, to improve our reputations for my sake the next time I'm there. It's really to try to improve the service for all Americans visiting Classics. I'm not saying go insane like those Chinese simps, but 100,000 IDR ($5. 75) can't even buy a decent burger back home, so that should be at least the minimum tip. And if you tip like shit, tell them your Canadian or something, kidding.

The other common reason the girls are crying is because they rejected an Indian man and the mamasan got mad at them. Don't get full of yourself yet, it's not because of your dick size, but the reputation of Indian men is that they smell according to Classics girl "A". I don't actually understand this, as I have friends that are Indian American (tech bros) and even had an Indian American girlfriend once and none of them smell or smelled. I'm pretty sure you guys don't have to smell, so improve your reputation by taking a fucking shower, scrub hard, groom yourself, cut your nails, wash your cloths and don't try and hide the smell with cologne, it doesn't work. For all clients at Classics, if you want BBBJ from a girl there, the reason I got it without even asking was because I'm clean and don't smell. "A" for instance prefers to give a BBBJ because she reports the taste of latex is not pleasant, actually her preference is to not give a BJ at all, but she knows her job. Jakarta is a hot humid fucking sweaty place, like 3 shirt and underwear changes a day place, I was literally taking 4-5 showers per day during my trip in Indonesia. Paying someone to do laundry in Indonesia is easily accessible and cheap (just not at the hotel, 195,000 IDR to wash a single shirt, really).

If you are looking for a SB or date, don't neglect picking up pretty little things at the malls. Both "A" and "J" previously found their SDs at the mall. Large relationship age gaps are common in Indonesia, as the ladies are looking for providers, and young Indonesian men are on average underemployed poor motherfuckers. Or just take your swings at Classics if you don't mind the high mileage.

That's it for my trolling. LOL.

I see a few names from yesteryear have re-opened in combination. Dragonfly and Blowfish. I wonder if they are trying to resurrect the fun days They have an interesting tagline now - "Party early, finish by midnight", must be chasing after their old clientele since we have moved on a few years since their heyday. Many's a fun night evolved from the old Dragonfly, but then it certainly wasn't start early.

Maybe Red Square could re-open and then the party could really start.

[QUOTE=EasyIslandLife;3067904]Regarding the VPN, I honestly didn't try that hard to figure it out. The website I use to access my VPN wouldn't load correctly, so I couldn't connect and after a couple of tries gave up. Worked fine before I left and after I got back to America, so something blocked that specific VPN website.

I contacted "A" on WhatsApp hoping she would be less tired and provide a better performance before work. She came around 1 PM with that smoking hot body in a pant suit. In full daylight, I had to revise her facial score down a bit, but her body was still a perfect 10. I promised $200 USD for 3 hours of her time before she had to head to work at 4 PM. We got comfortable with each other in the hotel room and I found out her normal rate for day game is 2 million IDR ($115 USD) if she doesn't have to miss work and 3 million IDR ($173) if she has to miss work.

DFK continued to be great. She gave more effort in the BBBJ, wetter, sloppier with ball licking, but it is just not her thing. She was clean shaven down below this time. Condom on and went into cowgirl, she's just damn talented and experienced at riding and moving those hips for great excursion, definitely an experienced pro, just a sweet young one. My turn came and I positioned her in front of the mirror in the room, she laughed. Multiple positions thanks to lube on hand, she took it like a champ and I could feel her orgasms. After we were exhausted, I let her finish me with a HJ..[/QUOTE]Its not for me to tell you how to spend your own money but seriously? 10 M IDR for a Classic girl who fucks all night long for IDR 500 K a pop? And CFS with a 6 face and a 7 service level by your own definition? For 10 M you can get a IG model with 10+ service who doesn't normally fuck 6 guys a night bareback you in all holes!

[QUOTE=EasyIslandLife;3067904]Regarding the VPN, I honestly didn't try that hard to figure it out. The website I use to access my VPN wouldn't load correctly, so I couldn't connect and after a couple of tries gave up. Worked fine before I left and after I got back to America, so something blocked that specific VPN website.[/QUOTE]It might be worth using a paid VPN.

The first locations I used when I arrived earlier this month wouldn't work, I had to switch my location a few times before finding the ones working properly.

It's also worth for booking a room on Agoda and other sites, the price differs depending on the virtual location of the phone.

[QUOTE=EasyIslandLife;3068032]Shifts are 12 hours long and they generally work 6-7 days per week. [/QUOTE]So how exactly do the girls that start their shifts at 5, 6, 7, and 8 pm work their 12 hour shift?

[QUOTE=EasyIslandLife;3067904]

We cuddled and talked via Google Translate and I got a lot of inside info on Classics. After learning about the fine at Classics for missed work, I decided to pay her 5 million IDR monthly penalty and gave her $300 (5. 2 million IDR) so she could travel with me instead of the $200 I promised. Day game performance was a 7, superb DFK, still below average BBBJ, tight pussy, and more stamina as we went at it for a long while. If you want to follow chronological, please see my SA post Jakarta Day 4 Continue. A necessary night off next.

[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report, how much is the fine exactly? I assume it is a set amount per day missed?
EDIT: Nevermind, I just read your next post and got the answers. Thanks for the detailed and concise information.

I can't recall exactly, but the girl from classic T5 who spent the day with me said she had around 7 -10 days off from a month. (can't remember exactly) But if she spent any more days off she would have to pay a fee.

Another girl from T2 said she was managed differently, she was completely new and couldn't take any days off. I only assuming but I guessing each group has a different system and its up to their mamas to decide.

One thing I do know is that within a group managed by their individual mamas, these girls would try to sync their working days and non working days as they would feel lonely without their friends, keep in mind that some of these girls only keep to their own group and don't try to associate much with other girls from other mamasans.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;3068051]Its not for me to tell you how to spend your own money but seriously? 10 M IDR for a Classic girl who fucks all night long for IDR 500 K a pop? And CFS with a 6 face and a 7 service level by your own definition? For 10 M you can get a IG model with 10+ service who doesn't normally fuck 6 guys a night bareback you in all holes![/QUOTE]Some people are looking for companionship with 24/7 availability sex and some are looking for single pops, but otherwise I feel like he paid a reasonable amount for a holiday GF.

OP spent $200 USD for the first night for 3 hours which is around 3. 5 M IDR. Which I would say that he overspent on this night.

Then he paid $1400 USD for the week which is around 25 M IDR. Additionally he spent another 5M penalty/fine for the girl due to missing out on work totaling to 30M. If he spent 7 days with her it would be around 4.2M each day.

4.2M IDR would be equivalent to 11 pops at classic at 375 k (you won't be ejaculating 11 times a day unless you are superman LOL 😂 even if you did manage to do so on the first day you'd be sore the next day).

[QUOTE=EasyIslandLife;3068032]Here's the info I got on Classics from "A", I did spend more than a week with her. None of this info is new, but I only RTFF back about a year and a refresher is always nice.
[/QUOTE]Many thanks for writing up all that info. It was interesting to read.

If most girls are not on birth control as you say, I'm thinking maybe I should go to Apotek my first day in Jakarta next time and get a bunch of plan-bs, to offer them to the girls together with my tip afterwards.

Since I've had a vasectomy myself, it's both a waste of money and possible discomfort for the girls taking the medicine (not everyone handles it well, especially if repeated), but now I'm feeling a bit bad if they were using half my tip (not sure what plan-b costs in Indonesia?) to buy plan-b themselves every time. Nobody asked me about it, and except for non-p4p girls I met, I think I never bothered mentioning it to anyone (not expecting them to understand me, or believe me, as I sure wouldn't).

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;3068051]Its not for me to tell you how to spend your own money but seriously? 10 M IDR for a Classic girl who fucks all night long for IDR 500 K a pop? And CFS with a 6 face and a 7 service level by your own definition? For 10 M you can get a IG model with 10+ service who doesn't normally fuck 6 guys a night bareback you in all holes![/QUOTE]OP sounds like a good hearted fellow. Good for him and good for the girl, who I suspect appreciated it a lot more than those seeking hos. *grin* ;-)

Interesting report.

I am Indian, and don't smell now. By that I mean, I used to smell before coming to US.

Clearly, I did not know that I smell different. In Uni, I was sharing room with a guy from eastern europe. I realized how I smell that time.

The reason is clear, our homes in India are small. We cook everyday at home with lot of spices. That smells lingers on our clothes, body, hairs forever. Lack of abundant water / electricity prevent taking frequent showers. We mostly have only one bathroom in home.

Things are changing now in India, but still more than 60% population is in similar situation. SO most of the Indian men smell different.

Nothing can be done about that, until the cooking in home is there.

I usually get the same response from girls before meeting that Indian men smell. Heard it in Thailand, Vietnam, Jakarta and in US / Canada. I tell girls if they are not comfortable when we meet, they can just take some money and leave. This never happened with me yet, no girl left because of smell.

Heading to Jakarta again in 2 weeks, and can't wait to enjoy all the popular spots.

[QUOTE=EasyIslandLife;3068032]
The other common reason the girls are crying is because they rejected an Indian man and the mamasan got mad at them. Don't get full of yourself yet, it's not because of your dick size, but the reputation of Indian men is that they smell according to Classics girl "A". I don't actually understand this, as I have friends that are Indian American (tech bros) and even had an Indian American girlfriend once and none of them smell or smelled. ...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;3068051]Its not for me to tell you how to spend your own money but seriously? 10 M IDR for a Classic girl who fucks all night long for IDR 500 K a pop? And CFS with a 6 face and a 7 service level by your own definition? For 10 M you can get a IG model with 10+ service who doesn't normally fuck 6 guys a night bareback you in all holes![/QUOTE]I can't say I played a good hand or did a decent job negotiating. It was my first time in Jakarta (as well as mongering in SEA) and with limited vacation time, I historically have always overpaid in the hobby. I apologize for the effect this may have on those able to spend months or years hobbying at a time and have a better understanding of the lay of the land, but Jakarta is a long fucking way from America.

After RTFF, I went to Indonesia planning to pay 2.4 million to 3.4 million IDR LT, but things changed with boots on the ground. A month on SA caused me to raise what I was willing to pay, as I only found 15 out of 70 girls willing to take less than 3. 5 million IDR (one literally asked for $1000 USD PPM). Almost all of them used augment reality filters and even then looked like ladyboys, sickly, or just plain fugly, making me question attempting SEA at all. After my first SA date bailed on me last minute, I had to incentivize and make sure my girls would show up and further raised my donation amounts.

I listed a lot of prices I paid to try and help the lurkers on ISG, and willingly admitted mistakes in my original posts, such as how I overpaid and what I thought I could get (a week for $900 instead of $1400), and hope it helps others negotiate more value for their money. At the specific moment when "A" was ready to go the Apotek with me, I also only had birth control in mind and totally forgot about the possibility of using Plan be as a option to get BBFS. If a member with boots on the ground picks up some Plan be at an Apotek, I hope he will be kind enough to include the price in the future.

Life would be brilliant if every encounter was a 10 service with a 10 face and 10 body for a reasonable price, and I'm legitimately interested in how you are able to achieve such a reality. I'm relatively inexperienced in the hobby, and would love to know where you senior members find this perfect service, because it's the unicorn I'm seeking. Where might I find these IG models that are ready to go? If I believed in social media and those stupid augmented reality filters, every girl I found on Seeking (as well as "A" from Classics when viewing her online presence) would be a 10 face and 10 body, but reality is often times different, hence the need for verification steps and why I settle for hot enough and good enough. As a senior member, I'd love your gameplan on search and negotiations to get more value for my money. In my limited experience, I have found looks are often inversely proportional to attitude and service.

My scoring is also relative, sex with "A" was amazing, she lost points for her below average or non existent BJ and declining sex several times, problems I did not have with SB "J". Like Harvard, I'm trying to rein in my grade inflation, trying to reserve 10's for exceptionalism, whether that be face, body or service.

[QUOTE=Jimmyzhu;3068278]Thanks for the report, how much is the fine exactly? I assume it is a set amount per day missed?
EDIT: Nevermind, I just read your next post and got the answers. Thanks for the detailed and concise information.

I can't recall exactly, but the girl from classic T5 who spent the day with me said she had around 7 -10 days off from a month. (can't remember exactly) But if she spent any more days off she would have to pay a fee.

Another girl from T2 said she was managed differently, she was completely new and couldn't take any days off. I only assuming but I guessing each group has a different system and its up to their mamas to decide.

One thing I do know is that within a group managed by their individual mamas, these girls would try to sync their working days and non working days as they would feel lonely without their friends, keep in mind that some of these girls only keep to their own group and don't try to associate much with other girls from other mamasans.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the additional info. It makes more sense that the girls are managed by different agencies that contract with Classics and are overseen by different mamasans. That would mean that what I learned and wrote about only applies to "A's" agency and cannot be extrapolated across all the girls at Classics. She referred to the girls in her group as her friends and I assumed it was a specific clique, but may just be the girls of her agency that she spends time with. This would help keep the girls on different cycles to ensure action is always available at Classics if the groups happen to live together.

According to "A", most girls with her agency are suppose to start their shift between 2 PM and 4 PM, and end 12 hours later. Make up and hair literally takes several hours depending on the girl, before they hit the floor.

[QUOTE=GCNovice;3066319]Well, all the negative talks about Travel being condom BJ and my streak of not witnessing it has finally caught up.

After my long long flight and slept deprivation, I decided to hit up Travel. Because I'm staying close by.

My no condom BJ streak, of 2 or 3, got slapped to the wind.

Not only that, this was the first girl that asked for a tip and gave sad face when I gave a 50 k; she asked for another.

Said nope and we walk out of the room. Still had fun with her.

Just came back from T2 and much better there. I'll post when I'm not using my phone.[/QUOTE]Do you realize how much you actually tipped her?

[QUOTE=EasyIslandLife;3068032]and maybe an actual session or two with the jungle (au naturel pubs, another part of their reputation both at Classics and Scandallo in Brazil)...[/QUOTE]Are you saying Chinese men prefer pubic hair versus shaved?

I believe this is true because 1) most Chinese girls don't shave and 2) Chinese girls have told me that Chinese men don't like shaved pussies because it makes the girl look like a child.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3068348]OP sounds like a good hearted fellow. Good for him and good for the girl, who I suspect appreciated it a lot more than those seeking hos.[/QUOTE]I agree. I've been to Jakarta several times. I don't like to take advantage of girls because the USD is strong.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3068596]Are you saying Chinese men prefer pubic hair versus shaved?[/QUOTE]Women without pubic hair (natural or shaved) in China are called "white tigers", which is considered unlucky for their mates. This is why you see so few women in China or Vietnam (same culture) with purposefully shaved pussies, unless they are specifically serving gweilo who will take any pussy (lucky or unlucky) that comes around. AR.

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[QUOTE=Vendelo;3068597]I agree. I've been to Jakarta several times. I don't like to take advantage of girls because the USD is strong.[/QUOTE]As if it weren't bad enough when IDR is ranked the 5th /6th weakest currency in the world right now. I mean even if there was a slight inflation to the prices, you would get that back within the exchange rate.

Most of the time I would treat these girls out to a meal of their decision, whether it be Korean BBQ / Sushi / Hotpot. Most of these girls have never tried such cuisines and are either eating the daily fastfood delivery chains or dogfood, (Come on Guys, don't be limited to Joni's steak house, theres a lot more variation out there).

[QUOTE=GCNovice;3066319]My no condom BJ streak, of 2 or 3, got slapped to the wind.

Not only that, this was the first girl that asked for a tip and gave sad face when I gave a 50 k; she asked for another.

Said nope and we walk out of the room. Still had fun with her.[/QUOTE]Nope was the correct answer. IMHO she should consider herself fortunate to have gotten any tip for serving up a condom blow job. If you didn't do any kissing, technically you never got to touch the girl sexually with that CBJ and CFS. There seem to be those that imply that you should be giving more (how much exactly they never say) for such crap service. As we see in several recent reports, it is no wonder why girls are now charging increasingly exorbitant amounts for other add-on services across these venues. Your money. Your call. AR.

[QUOTE=EasyIslandLife;3068539]Thank you for the additional info. It makes more sense that the girls are managed by different agencies that contract with Classics and are overseen by different mamasans. That would mean that what I learned and wrote about only applies to "A's" agency and cannot be extrapolated across all the girls at Classics. She referred to the girls in her group as her friends and I assumed it was a specific clique, but may just be the girls of her agency that she spends time with. This would help keep the girls on different cycles to ensure action is always available at Classics if the groups happen to live together.

According to "A", most girls with her agency are suppose to start their shift between 2 PM and 4 PM, and end 12 hours later. Make up and hair literally takes several hours depending on the girl, before they hit the floor.[/QUOTE]If you notice at the ground floor or classic, just before you get to the elevators there should be a salon on to the right, some of these girls get their makeup and hair done in that store.

There was one girl who told me she had only just started and was working 24/7, I actually wanted to take her out for the full day privately including the night for the full 24 hours but she said she couldn't no matter how much I asked. She actually really wanted to come with me but pleaded me to go through the booking system via her Mama instead. She said she couldn't leave the boarding house at daytime and that she could only accompany me at night.

I never did went through with it and I never thought much about it, but thinking back I realize that the Girl was probably in a probation period or something like that? I'm guessing because she was relatively new and was under strict supervision so any small thing that would demerit her could lead to her to being fined or worse; kicked out of the dorms and sent back to her province.

[QUOTE=Jimmyzhu;3068625]If you notice at the ground floor or classic, just before you get to the elevators there should be a salon on to the right, some of these girls get their makeup and hair done in that store.

There was one girl who told me she had only just started and was working 24/7, I actually wanted to take her out for the full day privately including the night for the full 24 hours but she said she couldn't no matter how much I asked. She actually really wanted to come with me but pleaded me to go through the booking system via her Mama instead. She said she couldn't leave the boarding house at daytime and that she could only accompany me at night.

I never did went through with it and I never thought much about it, but thinking back I realize that the Girl was probably in a probation period or something like that? I'm guessing because she was relatively new and was under strict supervision so any small thing that would demerit her could lead to her to being fined or worse; kicked out of the dorms and sent back to her province.[/QUOTE]When I stayed at Classic Hotel a few months ago, I could see girls arriving on moto taxis in the early afternoon. It was actually kind of funny watching beautiful girl after beautiful girl pull up on a moto taxi. So they're not all trapped in some dorm.

[QUOTE=EasyIslandLife;3068536] If a member with boots on the ground picks up some Plan be at an Apotek, I hope he will be kind enough to include the price in the future.
.[/QUOTE]Here you go brother, I managed to actually find the receipt haha. It's crumpled up though but it should still be legible, 44,200 IDR for 2 tablets, not sure If there's any price increase / inflation from November.

I never did look up the instructions as I think they might have been in Indonesian, searching up now there seems to be different guidelines on dosage, either take both at same time or take one immediately and the second 12 hours later.

[QUOTE=Jimmyzhu;3068616]Most of the time I would treat these girls out to a meal of their decision, whether it be Korean BBQ / Sushi / Hotpot. Most of these girls have never tried such cuisines and are either eating the daily fastfood delivery chains or dogfood, (Come on Guys, don't be limited to Joni's steak house, theres a lot more variation out there).[/QUOTE]I certainly hope so since I didn't really like Joni's steak house. When in Indonesia I would much rather have local cuisine. Even the breakfast at Classic hotel was way better than Joni's. Next trip I'm staying at Heef hotel and hope I can find way better dinner options than just steak at Joni's.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;3068592]Do you realize how much you actually tipped her?[/QUOTE]50 k too much?

No tip for covered BJ IMO. I wouldn't want that even if it was free myself, though honestly no disrespect to those who prefer it for their own reasons.

There's always someone to come and make the conversion to USD for all of us.

That's cute, thanks, now we all know 50 K rupiah equals to 2,81 USD, something that we couldn't do by ourselves obviously.

But is it useful to take a grasp of the reality of living as a local in a country that does not use the USD as a currency?

Maybe people should start thinking by using exclusively the local currency at the moment you put a foot in that country to understand what is a fair tip and what is not?

What do you get in Jakarta as a local with 5 OK rupiah? 2 or 3 meals depending on where the girl is living. Me think that is not that bad.

Then you could think of the reality of the life for these girls, regardless of all the stories they can tell you. You already know, it has been reported by numerous members on this board, that these girls are roughly getting 100 K rupiah net per session, they have been willing to do it, and some of them look like they are even happy to do that job with that salary.

That's already another indication that 100 K rupiah is not the insignificant amount of money that some of them try to make us believe when they point to the bill and say "ini small!

The OP tipped the girl 50 K which is already 50% of of her net rate for the session, that's not bad after all when you think it that way.

I'm not advocating anyone to give small or big tips, but it seems that the OP was clearly frustrated by this event during the session, therefore I would even say he had been nice to the girl by still staying with her until the end of the session, and even giving her a tip at the end.

[QUOTE=EasyIslandLife;3068536]As a senior member, I'd love your gameplan on search and negotiations to get more value for my money. In my limited experience, I have found looks are often inversely proportional to attitude and service.

My scoring is also relative, sex with "A" was amazing, she lost points for her below average or non existent BJ and declining sex several times, problems I did not have with SB "J". Like Harvard, I'm trying to rein in my grade inflation, trying to reserve 10's for exceptionalism, whether that be face, body or service.[/QUOTE]I'm not bothered by what you spent. What is unfortunate is how little you got in return. I have always found girls on SA to be happy with 2-3 m all night, and I have hit quite a few freebies there as well. I don't look for IG models because that's not my thing. But I do find cute attractive students, sometimes young single moms, an occasional bored housewife or divorcee etc. I have not had a single one ask for condom and all were fully accommodating to my needs, some were downright freaks in bed. I do have the benefit of staying in Singapore, and Jakarta is a 1.5 HR plane hop away and hence am never desperate when I land. As long as you had a good time, its all good though. I am not one of those that chastise others for spending more or tipping well. But just know that much better is available the next time you go!

Hi! Sorry for not answered your private messages, I just recovered my password.

Regarding my last stay, I'm not going to write a long report, I'll keep it simple: it was amazing, like always.

Just about covered things, I'm not sure it's a good idea to talk straight to the girl. We are a complete stranger for her and they need to save face. The best thing to do IMHO is to hot the girl inside the room. A hot (ans wet) girl will be more open to our fantasies. And if she says no, they are still many ways to enjoy girls.

And for the match Classic / Travel, if your are in town, just go to Travel. Even if it's not as good as Classic, it's still an amazing place that I would love to have at home.

If you see this post, my babies, know that I was almost ready to take you to my home.

[QUOTE=Jimmyzhu;3068637]Here you go brother, I managed to actually find the receipt haha. It's crumpled up though but it should still be legible, 44,200 IDR for 2 tablets, not sure If there's any price increase / inflation from November.

I never did look up the instructions as I think they might have been in Indonesian, searching up now there seems to be different guidelines on dosage, either take both at same time or take one immediately and the second 12 hours later.[/QUOTE]Here we go again, flexing those high-roller muscles. Buying the more expensive brand name variant, when a perfectly decent locally produced alternative is available for 15,000 less? Now all the girls are going to frown at us more economical men when we give them the local andalan postil brand instead.

Thanks for posting the photo. I was curious, and apparently the more intelligent one-pill variant, which is what I've gotten everywhere else in the past 10 years, is not so easy to get in Indonesia. Who knows if they will all remember to take the second dose, or want to take both pills at once.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3068890]Here we go again, flexing those high-roller muscles. Buying the more expensive brand name variant, when a perfectly decent locally produced alternative is available for 15,000 less? Now all the girls are going to frown at us more economical men when we give them the local andalan postil brand instead.

Thanks for posting the photo. I was curious, and apparently the more intelligent one-pill variant, which is what I've gotten everywhere else in the past 10 years, is not so easy to get in Indonesia. Who knows if they will all remember to take the second dose, or want to take both pills at once.[/QUOTE]I'm not going to go around window shopping around for Plan B and spend time looking at a bunch of boxes 😂 I google translated Contraceptive Pills / morning after pill and showed the clerk my phone and that's what they gave me.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3068890]Thanks for posting the photo. I was curious, and apparently the more intelligent one-pill variant, which is what I've gotten everywhere else in the past 10 years, is not so easy to get in Indonesia. Who knows if they will all remember to take the second dose, or want to take both pills at once.[/QUOTE]In my experience, it is best to educate the girl when you give her the pill. For the 2-pill variety (eg Postinor 2), it can be taken immediately as 2 pills at once or taken 1 pill at a time with 12-hours in between. In order to minimize risk of the girl forgetting, I always suggest the 2 pills at once approach. Keep it simple as the girl may have never heard of this kind of contraception approach.

For Indonesia, I have a translated primer screen shot on my phone to teach the girl. It first explains that it is a medicine to prevent pregnancy. Then it tells the girl to eat a meal first (to reduce the risk of stomach upset) and then take both pills together. Finally it says DON'T FORGET FOR NO PREGNANT!

Respect for Jimmyzhu for making the effort to get a pill and keep the girls out of trouble for pregnancy. From my experience, the girls are VERY APPRECIATIVE. In my case, this also helps my network to expand as girls are much more inclined to introduce their friends as they know I will take care of this aspect.

In Thailand where I get my morning after pills (eg Maple), the 1 pill variety is more common. There are other 1 pill brands, but I prefer Maple because the packaging is small. Suggest not to shop in pharmacies near Soi 4 where they try to sell a pill for 100 bhat or more to flustered girls that have cum still seeping out from their latest ST session. These 1 pill variants are available for 60-70 bhat per pill in other pharmacies further down Sukhimvit. So stock up if you are passing through BKK. Enjoy, AR.

I know some of this discussion is that a girl wants a belt and suspenders so even if you have a vasectomy she may want a morning after pill. But for you own peace of mind fellas why dont more guys get vasectomies? I got mine a year or two ago and wow! What a weight lifted and it's totally easy. My friends who got them years ago told me I'the have a lot of pain and frozen peas on my nuts. None of the above these days. I took Tylenol and advil and had some mild discomfort but it pretty much was super easy and well worth it!

I did it at an urology specialist and paid full price rather than it hitting my health insurance. But it was only like $1500. Took 15 minutes. Just a local anesthetic and chatting amiably with the hot milf doc while she snipped my tubes. When doing Seeking Arrangement I've had a couple girls ask for proof. I have a copy of the receipt for the procedure plus a snap of my "you have zero sperm" test.

Anyhow HIGH recommend on this. Good luck out there!

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3068702]There's always someone to come and make the conversion to USD for all of us.

That's cute, thanks, now we all know 50 K rupiah equals to 2,81 USD, something that we couldn't do by ourselves obviously.

But is it useful to take a grasp of the reality of living as a local in a country that does not use the USD as a currency?

Maybe people should start thinking by using exclusively the local currency at the moment you put a foot in that country to understand what is a fair tip and what is not?

What do you get in Jakarta as a local with 5 OK rupiah? 2 or 3 meals depending on where the girl is living. Me think that is not that bad.

Then you could think of the reality of the life for these girls, regardless of all the stories they can tell you. You already know, it has been reported by numerous members on this board, that these girls are roughly getting 100 K rupiah net per session, they have been willing to do it, and some of them look like they are even happy to do that job with that salary..[/QUOTE]Replying on behalf of the 50 K tipper?

Cute.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3068961]I know some of this discussion is that a girl wants a belt and suspenders so even if you have a vasectomy she may want a morning after pill. But for you own peace of mind fellas why dont more guys get vasectomies? I got mine a year or two ago and wow! What a weight lifted and it's totally easy. My friends who got them years ago told me I'the have a lot of pain and frozen peas on my nuts. None of the above these days. I took Tylenol and advil and had some mild discomfort but it pretty much was super easy and well worth it!

I did it at an urology specialist and paid full price rather than it hitting my health insurance. But it was only like $1500. Took 15 minutes. Just a local anesthetic and chatting amiably with the hot milf doc while she snipped my tubes. When doing Seeking Arrangement I've had a couple girls ask for proof. I have a copy of the receipt for the procedure plus a snap of my "you have zero sperm" test.

Anyhow HIGH recommend on this. Good luck out there![/QUOTE]Mine is scheduled 30 days from now. Planning my 1st trip to SE Asia in the fall. Super excited about both. Your experience with the recovery gives me peace of mind. LOL. Thanks for the post.

I'm planning my second trip to Jakarta. I need help picking a place to stay.

I'm thinking somewhere near grand Indonesia. This will make me in the center and allow me access to both north and south of Jakarta.

I'm also planning on trying tinder so I need somewhere guest friendly. Preferably that doesn't require a visit to the reception.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;3068629]When I stayed at Classic Hotel a few months ago, I could see girls arriving on moto taxis in the early afternoon. It was actually kind of funny watching beautiful girl after beautiful girl pull up on a moto taxi. So they're not all trapped in some dorm.[/QUOTE]I had the same thought. But then I realised that most bike drivers didn't have a grab or Gojek uniform. These drivers could be friends or relatives of the girls. But I think most of them are working for the agencies that hire the girls. It's part of their job to pick up the girls from the dorm and bring them to classic.

[QUOTE=Jimmyzhu;3068625] She said she couldn't leave the boarding house at daytime and that she could only accompany me at night.

I never did went through with it and I never thought much about it, but thinking back I realize that the Girl was probably in a probation period or something like that? I'm guessing because she was relatively new and was under strict supervision so any small thing that would demerit her could lead to her to being fined or worse; kicked out of the dorms and sent back to her province.[/QUOTE]There is no probation period and the question is not if she is new or not. Question is if she owes money to the agent. While the girl owes money, many agents will control the girl very tightly to make sure she doesn't run back to her province.

[QUOTE=EasyIslandLife;3068025]So "A" from Classics showed up for a week long trip to Yogyakarta. I was looking for a SB GFE and generally got one. I had previously paid her 5 million IDR penalty for the month for missing work at Classics and paid her $1400 USD total for the week. I probably could have paid her considerably less (I'm guessing as little as $900), but a couple of hundred dollars either way means way less to me than to her. I had 3 days where I was gone during the day because I had things to take care of, so I gave her an additional 1 million IDR ($57.54) to spend while I was out. I also promised to take her shopping at the end where I spent 300,000 IDR ($17.26) on souvenirs for her friends and 387,000 IDR ($22.27) on make up for her.[/QUOTE]Seeing the high amount easyislandlife paid in this case I wonder if it's not easier and cheaper to just book the girl through mami. Has anybody ever done that? The LT price at classic is 7 x365=2. 555. No further payments should be necessary. And as long as the client is a half decent human being, why would the girl refuse to come on a trip with him?

Hi brothers.

I am visiting indonishia for the first time, staying just two nights in Banjarnegara. Can someone please help me or guide me to find a quick session with a girl.

Please help.

Regards.

Gav.

[QUOTE=GavinDott;3069167]Hi brothers.

I am visiting indonishia for the first time, staying just two nights in Banjarnegara. Can someone please help me or guide me to find a quick session with a girl.

Please help.

Regards.

Gav.[/QUOTE]Without some local help it may be difficult. Your best bet is to ask a local to help you if that is possible. There was a lokalisasi called Gang Sadar at Baturaden which is nearby above Purwokerto but it closed during covid, there would likely still be activity there as it is a resort area but Banjarnegara may be difficult. Michat may give you results but the language gap will be your problem there.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3069162]Seeing the high amount easyislandlife paid in this case I wonder if it's not easier and cheaper to just book the girl through mami. Has anybody ever done that? The LT price at classic is 7 x365=2. 555. No further payments should be necessary. And as long as the client is a half decent human being, why would the girl refuse to come on a trip with him?[/QUOTE]I believe Mamasan or the agent will want to charge more if that's the case, the LT overnight vouchers only covers the night for 7-8 hours, they'll probably charge 2 x or 3 x the amount for the other 16/17 hours of day.

But anyway I would prefer for the girl to make the full amount instead of it being deducted by the establishment, plus it could work out cheaper in the long run if you negotiate since you provide for her food and other expenses. But it could work out to be the same, though how the girl treats you is another matter since she could be more willing to cater towards you since she is receiving the full amount + the excursion / holiday.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3068952]In my experience, it is best to educate the girl when you give her the pill. For the 2-pill variety (eg Postinor 2), it can be taken immediately as 2 pills at once or taken 1 pill at a time with 12-hours in between. In order to minimize risk of the girl forgetting, I always suggest the 2 pills at once approach. Keep it simple as the girl may have never heard of this kind of contraception approach.

For Indonesia, I have a translated primer screen shot on my phone to teach the girl. It first explains that it is a medicine to prevent pregnancy. Then it tells the girl to eat a meal first (to reduce the risk of stomach upset) and then take both pills together. Finally it says DON'T FORGET FOR NO PREGNANT!

Respect for Jimmyzhu for making the effort to get a pill and keep the girls out of trouble for pregnancy. From my experience, the girls are VERY APPRECIATIVE. In my case, this also helps my network to expand as girls are much more inclined to introduce their friends as they know I will take care of this aspect.

In Thailand where I get my morning after pills (eg Maple), the 1 pill variety is more common. There are other 1 pill brands, but I prefer Maple because the packaging is small. Suggest not to shop in pharmacies near Soi 4 where they try to sell a pill for 100 bhat or more to flustered girls that have cum still seeping out from their latest ST session. These 1 pill variants are available for 60-70 bhat per pill in other pharmacies further down Sukhimvit. So stock up if you are passing through BKK. Enjoy, AR.[/QUOTE]Cheers! I also to believe that it gives the girl more reassurance that she puts into you that you are least somewhat caring. Call it style points of whatever but it usually turns out that they will be more affectionate towards you and would probably perform better in bed!

[QUOTE=BroComplex;3069130]I'm planning my second trip to Jakarta. I need help picking a place to stay.

I'm thinking somewhere near grand Indonesia. This will make me in the center and allow me access to both north and south of Jakarta.

I'm also planning on trying tinder so I need somewhere guest friendly. Preferably that doesn't require a visit to the reception.[/QUOTE]You can checkout menteng park apartments.

Reception won't bother you, you can receive guest from lobby and go to lift directly.

I can add to the knowledge surrounding the classic system as there is a girl I always take with me traveling, so I have gathered some information.

The situation varies a lot on many different factors. Does the girl live in the work housing? Does she live on her own? I find the girls that live on their own generally have a backer that is funding them. Most of them appear to be chinese men living in China that visit a few times a year to their "mistress". These women have far more freedom than those that live in the work housing.

The chain of command is essentially girls - mamasan - supervisors - head supervisor. I am sure it goes even higher, but I doubt they know or care about the rest. The head supervisor has been pointed out to me a few times and the girls get very annoyed when I point at him. Most seem like they don't want to gain the head supervisor's notice. He's the short asian dude that walks around with his hands behind his back normally. I am not sure if there is more than one with that title (I assume so, but I only go to T5, so if I had to guess he is the head supervisor of T5). There's a head supervisor for the working housing, and more of them in the Classic office that don't go out on the floor. The other supervisors are responsible for a variety of things. Taking the girls from the work housing to Classic and back. If they get sick and need to see the doctor, there is a clinic that is like the 'classic clinic' (it's just a normal clinic) where I assume they get cheaper prices, but the supervisors are technically supposed to take them to and from those as well.

The fine situation is interesting. There is a supervisor in the work housing that fines them for random shit, and other supervisors that handle other aspects too. The fines are pretty much at the discretion of the supervisors, so there is a lot of internal work politics that go on between the girls and their cliques. If you date or are fucking a supervisor, if you tattle on a girl doing something she shouldn't or trying to skip work, you can get many perks ranging from not having to pay for the work house, not getting fined for missing work, etc. The control others have mentioned is that the work house supervisor normally takes their ID cards / documents. Which is very difficult to replace and considering the level of corruption, and the amount money Classic brings in, probably not realistic to get it back through other channels. I have heard of mamasans going to the supervisors to get their workers ID cards / documents so they can travel back home, but other than that the mamasans aren't high up on the chain of command. They mainly exploit the girls, but again it's all a politics and manipulation battle to extract what they can. But the enforcement of it all is really quite random. One of the girls would always get called by the supervisors asking where she was, while another one never did. Not even they could figure out why as they were both in debt.

As others have mentioned, the fines are generally 1-5 million IDR and depends on the supervisor and if they will enforce it. Most girls make their money taking clients outside of classic for day / night work, so they work to try and make regulars to get that outside work. So if you want that bargain, find a girl with a good relation with the supervisors so they won't get fined and you could in theory take them out without having to pay it. Don't take my knowledge as gospel, I am only relaying what I have heard and the girls are far from reliable sources of information.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;3068743]I'm not bothered by what you spent. What is unfortunate is how little you got in return. I have always found girls on SA to be happy with 2-3 m all night, and I have hit quite a few freebies there as well. I don't look for IG models because that's not my thing. But I do find cute attractive students, sometimes young single moms, an occasional bored housewife or divorcee etc. I have not had a single one ask for condom and all were fully accommodating to my needs, some were downright freaks in bed. I do have the benefit of staying in Singapore, and Jakarta is a 1.5 HR plane hop away and hence am never desperate when I land. As long as you had a good time, its all good though. I am not one of those that chastise others for spending more or tipping well. But just know that much better is available the next time you go![/QUOTE]If you want to have a laugh at how little is possible in return, you should all laugh at the ridiculous amount I paid for SB "Ca" I found on SA. I got talked into paying 5 mil IDR plus 2. 5 mil IDR for dinner and drinks at Henshin. It's the least value for money I've ever gotten mongering anywhere in the world; I basically paid for a good BBBJ and a starfish from a 5 face with make up (stupid augmented reality video filters). If I were smarter, I should have had the balls to dumped her at the restaurant and gone back to Classics when I first saw her, as it was practically a bad bait and switch.

Like every experience I've had, there was good and bad, but overall good enough for me to consider SEA again. Yes, I stupidly and severely overpaid for all my time with girls on this trip; the only places I got normal value was at Classics. But now I know better that I should trust the pricing on this board and not be so ready to raise my donations. This is lesson for the lurkers I guess.

[QUOTE=KimJongil;3069241]
The fine situation is interesting. There is a supervisor in the work housing that fines them for random shit, and other supervisors that handle other aspects too. The fines are pretty much at the discretion of the supervisors, so there is a lot of internal work politics that go on between the girls and their cliques. If you date or are fucking a supervisor, if you tattle on a girl doing something she shouldn't or trying to skip work, you can get many perks ranging from not having to pay for the work house, not getting fined for missing work, etc. The control others have mentioned is that the work house supervisor normally takes their ID cards / documents. Which is very difficult to replace and considering the level of corruption, and the amount money Classic brings in, probably not realistic to get it back through other channels. I have heard of mamasans going to the supervisors to get their workers ID cards / documents so they can travel back home, but other than that the mamasans aren't high up on the chain of command. They mainly exploit the girls, but again it's all a politics and manipulation battle to extract what they can. But the enforcement of it all is really quite random. One of the girls would always get called by the supervisors asking where she was, while another one never did. Not even they could figure out why as they were both in debt.
[/QUOTE]Thanks for the detailed information! I'll add onto that but its not as in-depth as your insights. Politics and manipulation are as expected, it also depends on the seniority of the girl as the longer they have been in the business and the more friendly with the mama, the more unrestrained they can be.

What's surprising is If you look around on t5, some of these senior girls aren't chained to the seating stage and walk around freely, I've seen a few girls flat out rejecting to see a customer and give their mamas the attitude. Whats even more funny was that some of these mamas was half pleading / half persuading gently to the senior girl to accept the client only for the girl to storm off. My friend sitting beside me said it instantly turned him on and had wanted to train one of the girls with an attitude 😂.

The same night I saw another different senior girl who was repetitively walking back and forth across from the stage to the toilets and I didn't think much at first but I figured that she was trying to catch my attention. I got to meet her in the end and asked her how come she was strolling back and forth unlike the other girls sitting on the stage. She said that the ones of the stage are newbies / newcomers putting a slight tongue and cheek to that answer, and that those on the stage have to follow strictly to the rules. Manipulation is part of the game as some of the girls have more freedom if they become friendly with their mamas.

Frankly, the girls that manage to get on the mama's side are then subjected to VIP roles specifically just for the role of a drinking buddy (which some of these girls prefer), and unlike foreign customers, a lot of local Indonesians who come are there just to drink and not have sex and so these senior girls are subjected to be the first choice for those local clients and in the end wouldn't have to perform any sexual obligations.

[QUOTE=EasyIslandLife;3068025]So "A" from Classics showed up for a week long trip to Yogyakarta. I was looking for a SB GFE and generally got one. I had previously paid her 5 million IDR penalty for the month for missing work at Classics and paid her $1400 USD total for the week.[/QUOTE]Great, the hoeflation has started.

Haha now 5 mil is normal going rate. I see this coming last year.

I went last month, had good amount of contacts so still reasonably ok with my usual rates. But the vibe of new contacts keep hovering steadily 5 mil to 8 mil range for good looking girls. Now 3 or 4 mil for st is expected. At which point I am thinking should Indonesians visit Australia for a cheap st still 100 to 140 in a legal brithel.

Ofc I know classic is approximately aud 40. But a few beer and tips get closer.

I usually go at least once or twice to classic per trip just to get the vibe. This is it's different lots of Chinese (seems not on tour but blue colour workers) I meant hundreds of them in an hour. And girls are sitting with them for 2 hours plus and a lots of girls with drinks tray are now more than working girls. So the trend is going in a direction not what I see interesting.

I saw similar patterns emerging in travel but classic is in full swing. Probably I never been to classic this late (1 am) and I just witnessed what is normal. I usually go 6 pm and leave 9 pm.

It's my third visit to Jakarta in one year.

It was originally expected to be a 22 days visit, but I finally extended it to a full month.

15 different girls in total, 1 that I have sessionned twice, another one three times and the one I developed a very affectionate relation with, 7 times.

I arrived a Saturday afternoon and decided to take a rest the first night, knowing that the Saturday nights are usually not worth checking the waters in my experience in Jakarta.

Same goes for the Sunday nights which have always been very poor nights for me, but I was curious and wanted to get my first nut that night.

The first one is always a below average experience in my case, and following the recent discussions on the questionable service of the ladies working in Travel, I thought it might be a good idea to get my first nuts out there. If as predicted, I meet a low service woman, it wouldn't bother me much given that my first fuck is usually wasted regardless of the level of the service.

Travel / 0 girl. OK to go and listen the music, watch people too.

After visiting it a few times without picking a girl, I finally decided to keep it as my go to place whenever I wanted to take a rest from fucking but still wanted to be in an Entertainment venue. That's easy in this place, just pay the 14 K fee and you're good for as long as you want without being asked to consume anything, and you can just watch the people around while listening to the live band (which is good sometimes).

The reason I didn't pick anyone is that everything is too much in your face and after observing it for a while, I felt it's a bit kind of off-putting and simply preferred not to take the risk of meeting a low level service girl.

On my second visit, I decided to pick a girl though. I saw her coming back in the line up and she looked like the kind of girl that I like. She was not walking confidently, was very slim with an untouched and cute looking face and looked young. That night I already fucked a girl in T2 before, so I had to wait some time before I could recharge my batteries. I stayed there two more hours and didn't see the girl being paraded anymore. After scrutinizing the room I finally found out on which sofa she was hiding herself, and when I felt ready, I went close to that sofa, started fixating her for long seconds. Her mama was nearby and saw me, she directly pointed to the girl. The girl watched mama, made the cross sign with her arms and said "mati". Mama laughed and said "she pussy kaput, cannot". So finally that was the reason that sweetheart was hiding herself, she's been banged to oblivion the whole day by the Chinese pack until her sweet pussy couldn't handle it anymore.

I didn't take the bait but some of the girls are actually pretty with a hot body, like the girl with long red coloured hairs for example. She looked very good but she looked too confident for my taste and I saw her doing a few st too (she's got her hairs back to full black color now).

T5 / 1 girl that I repeated a lot, but overall disappointed by the place.

In my mind that was the place I liked the most during my last visits. Mostly for the setup, because there are less customers and because of the possibility of meeting some gems.

This time, things went differently though.

I've been incredibly lucky in my first visit on a Sunday night because I found a real nice girl there. I liked her very much and actually sessionned her 5 times early in my trip, then she suddenly disappeared for 2 weeks, and came back just before my departure. I met her again two more times after her come back. If she had not dispappeared, I'm sure I would have fucked her more than a dozen times.

Once she was not there anymore, I contemplated picking up another girl. That moment came very quickly, when I saw one girl coming back from the room, after being banged by a Chinese guy. She walked past me and was looking very hot, tall, very slim and fit, seemed like she had big boobs, very long hairs and an ok face. After disappearing for some time, she had to come back and take her preferred seat at the front raw in the background stage. Her mama comes to me and points her laser to my desired girl, I was happy. She comes over but stays distant and watch the other way. I asked her "you can speak English?" and she looked at me like she does not understand or most likely that was what she pretended. I don't even care if she can speak English, it was just to break the ice. Then I make a gentle gesture to make her come over me (didn't even touch her) and the girl gets very obviously irritated, seats on the chair and turns her back on me. That was enough to kill my mood. After only 20 seconds, mama comes back, starts taking her notebook out as if I'm going to take her to the room. Obviously not, I'm not going to take the risk of taking your badass girl who is showing me her back to the room Mama. That was not an isolated act, and has nothing to do with the origin of the customer. I've seen it over and over, done to me and others, to Indo guys, and Chinese guys too. The girls in that place are getting picky over time.

I had some lineup produced to me (unwanted) where the girls are already turned halfway, looking on the other side of the room, looking their feet, making a sad face. I think I can count on one hand the number of girls who actually smiled at me during the lineup. Same attitude when the lineup was produced to other customers too, not only with me. These kind of girls are contaminating the other girls, and giving a bad reputation to this establishment. The mamas (or the management) should manage them better at the risk of firing them. That's pretty dumb for a girl to decide to come and work in such an environment, where any guy willing to spend 365 K can spend one hour alone with her (and is supposed to fuck her) to get something close to 100 K Rupiah per session, decide that they're going to dictate who they are ready to fuck and who they will reject. Don't they realize we've got a lot of other choices? Anyway, that bad attitude led me to check the place on very sporadic visits, instead of going there very often as I was intending to do. Finally, I didn't want to take the risk with any other girl in that place and did not even want to visit it anymore during my last 10 days in town as my desire to meet someone there completely disappeared. I went there 2 days before my departure though, just to see if they had some new girls maybe, and saw my girl came back, so I banged her that night and the following.

T2 / 6 girls, overall quality seemed to have gone down from previous visits.

Overall I would say as others said in some recent reports that the quality of the talent has gone a bit downhill compared to a few months ago, or maybe I'm starting to see the reality through better lens and I'm much less attracted by these girls that I used to.

Anyway, most of the girls I met were nice except one. They were all young and fit, 19 to 21 years old. The service was different from one girl to another, some would not DFK the first session and would do it by the second, some would accept DATY and a finger in her ass while others wouldn't want DATY for example. I did repeat the first girl once, I took the second girl three times, more because they were very nice and I couldn't really decide on picking a new girl. I did one of them BB without being quoted a particular rate and I gave her 200 K at the end of the session, while I was giving 100 K for a normal session. All of them did BBBJ except one, but I ended the session short with her.

That night I had a good session with the 2nd girl. Before going to the room we had some beer, I ordered two beers and they have that promotion where you get 1 more drink for free when you order 2. We drank the 2 beers with the girl, and by the end of the session I still had an untouched can, so I told her I'm going to stay in the club and drink that can before leaving while the girl said she's going to leave (it was around midnight). I thought it might be the good time to session a 2nd girl and just have her suck me for the whole session without fucking her. At that time, there was a girl I was thinking I might try to fuck one day, she seemed to be liked by Indo guys, did not look very confident, and seemed to me she was just arrived from the village not long ago. As I was seated and drinking my beer, her mama brings her over me, says she good service. The girl was smiley and looked willing to be picked. I didn't reject her and thought she's going to fit perfectly for the job. Some quick chitchat and I was already a bit disappointed to see she actually can speak English and has been working there for two months already. We go to the room and everything went fine until we undressed and finished showering. So she takes the listerine out with plenty of cleaning papers, and she pours my body with that shit. Then she concentrate on sucking on my nipples and vigorously giving me a hand. It was not a good way to got me up. I told her to go for a BJ instead and she directly tried to reach for the condom; that's when things took a downturn. She didn't want to listen and just repeated "safety, for my safety", but it did not take her more than one second to ask for a tip when I told her to do it raw. There was no way I'm going to pay more for that service, my way of doing things is to give a tip at the end if I'm satisfied with the session but not on negotiating each service. The only services I can consider negotiating a tip is for BBFS if I'm asking for it or anal. Then she throwed in some bulshit like "here every girl always use condom" and she had my patience go away, I was not in a playing mood that night. So I just got up, went to get dressed again, the girl didn't understand what was going on. I left her alone in the room while she was taking her shower, around 20 minutes after we entered the room. I did not even bother complaining to the mama, knowing it's going to be pointless, but all the people managing the rooms were completely surprised I got out of there alone and so fast. Strangely, I saw her only once in the club after that incident, while I was seeing her very often before.

Another night, right after entering the place, a mama push 2 girls on me, says new girls, take them together, they are friends. It was true I never saw these girls before. One of them was not really pretty but had a body that looked good, while the other had a very pretty face but a more average body. I never took 2 girls together, and the only way I could do it is to session them one by one first. So I picked only the pretty one, thinking she will be the one to be the most difficult to find again on another occasion if I don't take the opportunity to take her now. The other girl tried to force her way for the threesome but I kept rejecting her. Turned out the pretty girl was very nice, had an ok body but strangely enough she was the only one I lost my erection while I was fucking her around the middle of the session (covered). Anyway, we had time to have some chat before the end of the allocated time and I asked her if she ever worked in such a place before coming to work there. To my surprise she said yes, in the same kind of club, in Jakarta Utara (North Jakarta). Kingcross is the name of the place, and apparently they get Indo, Chinese, Bule customers too. So I kept it in my mind and checked the place on Gojek later, I never heard of that place before, so I made myself ready to check it up on another day.

The next night, I checked T2 again and surprise, the friend of yesterday's girl is still there and available. At the moment I see her, she's being called to form a lineup on the other side of the club, I see her ass the moment she got up and the shape of that ass combined with her small frame and the way she walks start giving me a hard on. I think I've got to grab her once she comes back and that's what I did, even before she could sit again. She's surprised and hesitant, even looks to her friends to know what to do, but finally come and sit with me. The problem is she is one of these distant girls and prefers to sit on the chair instead of coming in my arms. I've got to call her over me to get a feel of that ass, and man once I felt it, her ass was such a peace of art. Finally her mama comes over and does not understand how we ended together, they talk a bit together and mama goes and brings three other girls to form a lineup for me. I tell her "I don't want another girl, I take only her", she sends these girls away but 30 seconds later comes back with another batch of girls. I had to show her my serious face to got her understand I'll take that girl alone and I added "if she doesn't want I will not take her". Mama got upset too, and said it to the girl. Apparently, that girl does not like to be alone in a room with a customer, there are some other girls who always try to be picked in a tandem mostly, they are most probably trying to waste time during the session. Turned out she was one of these girls that are transactional (she didn't try to negotiate any service but made it clear she is here to make money only) with limited service (no DFK, no DATY) but her pussy was very tight and her body was really great. I gave both girls a 100 K because they were friendly (the second girl got gradually friendlier during the session), but I wouldn't want to repeat.

P.S. : A little plea for the lift operators in Classic.

These guys look like are having a hard time, it must really suck to be stuck in that elevator for so long, while you can hardly breath in that box, seeing all of us going there to bang girls that these guys can only dream of.

One night I took the elevator after leaving T5, the guy saw I was looking happy and told me "happy?" I answered affirmatively, then he said "tip?" with his sad face. I took out my pack of small bills, gave him 4000 and he was happier. Yes there is no typo, it is 4000 Rupiah and not 40 K Rupiah. I didn't repeat it though, I'm not wanting to make it an automated act, I'm just considering it from time to time.

I've also seen some Indo guys discreetly giving them a small tip from time to time, but it might be guys going in the car park maybe.

To be continued when I'll find time to finish the 2nd part.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3069490]It's my third visit to Jakarta in one year.

The first one is always a below average experience in my case, and following the recent discussions on the questionable service of the ladies working in Travel, I thought it might be a good idea to get my first nuts out there. If as predicted, I meet a low service woman, it wouldn't bother me much given that my first fuck is usually wasted regardless of the level of the service.

The reason I didn't pick anyone is that everything is too much in your face and after observing it for a while, I felt it's a bit kind of off-putting and simply preferred not to take the risk of meeting a low level service girl.

T5 / 1 girl that I repeated a lot, but overall disappointed by the place.

Then I make a gentle gesture to make her come over me (didn't even touch her) and the girl gets very obviously irritated, seats on the chair and turns her back on me. That was enough to kill my mood. After only 20 seconds, mama comes back, starts taking her notebook out as if I'm going to take her to the room. Obviously not, I'm not going to take the risk of taking your badass girl who is showing me her back to the room Mama. That was not an isolated act, and has nothing to do with the origin of the customer. I've seen it over and over, done to me and others, to Indo guys, and Chinese guys too. The girls in that place are getting picky over time.

I had some lineup produced to me (unwanted) where the girls are already turned halfway, looking on the other side of the room, looking their feet, making a sad face. I think I can count on one hand the number of girls who actually smiled at me during the lineup. Same attitude when the lineup was produced to other customers too, not only with me. These kind of girls are contaminating the other girls, and giving a bad reputation to this establishment. The mamas (or the management) should manage them better at the risk of firing them.

T2 / 6 girls, overall quality seemed to have gone down from previous visits.

Overall I would say as others said in some recent reports that the quality of the talent has gone a bit downhill compared to a few months ago, or maybe I'm starting to see the reality through better lens and I'm much less attracted by these girls that I used to.

I did not even bother complaining to the mama, knowing it's going to be pointless, but all the people managing the rooms were completely surprised I got out of there alone and so fast. Strangely, I saw her only once in the club after that incident, while I was seeing her very often before. [/QUOTE]Sounds like you had a on and off experience, but to be frank I think that's normal around here. I've had a few experiences of being rejected and seeing girls who lay there like a dead fish. The beauty is finding a gem that you have a connection with and that might take a few tries. Like you said, these girls are just trying to get the job done and get paid without putting in any effort. I suggest to keep trying and see who gives you a friendly reaction within the 10 minutes given, and if you don't feel any sparks send them back away. But then again it doesn't always work out, I had a few who enjoyed being around my arms and my company only for them to be terrible and unwilling in bed so it really is a 50/50 sometimes.

Hope your time and experience in Jakarta improves.

Anyone been to the train tracks lately? What is the name of that bus top (or maybe a train stop?) that is nearby. I used that as a destination for the taxi and I walked from there. Very convenient. I read in the forum that there are still girls there, on the tracks, only the shacks outside the wall are gone. Is this true? How is the quality of the girls? I have been there and wrote an extensive report a couple years ago. Wondering how much it has changed. Will be visiting later this month. I love the "wild west" feel of the place. -- thanks.

[QUOTE=Jimmyzhu;3069672]Hope your time and experience in Jakarta improves.[/QUOTE]Thanks,

Actually I enjoyed my time in Jakarta and I'm planning to return as soon as I can.

These experiences and thoughts were shared to expressed that Travel, T5 and to a lower extent T2 probably won't be my go to places anymore when I will want to find a girl to fuck in Jakarta in the future.

[QUOTE=EdwardQ;3069744]What is the name of that bus top (or maybe a train stop?) that is nearby. I used that as a destination for the taxi and I walked from there. Very convenient. I have been there and wrote an extensive report a couple years ago. [/QUOTE]IF you wrote an extensive report then you know where it is and can simply look at Google Maps and find a hotel or something with a unique name for the taxi to drop you off at so what you are asking makes no sense.

[QUOTE=EdwardQ;3069744]Anyone been to the train tracks lately? What is the name of that bus top (or maybe a train stop?) that is nearby. I used that as a destination for the taxi and I walked from there. Very convenient. I read in the forum that there are still girls there, on the tracks, only the shacks outside the wall are gone. Is this true? How is the quality of the girls? I have been there and wrote an extensive report a couple years ago. Wondering how much it has changed. Will be visiting later this month. I love the "wild west" feel of the place. -- thanks.[/QUOTE]Royal Gedong Panjang, or just "Royal", is what the locals call the train tracks. The nearest reference point is Gedong Panjang station for the Transjakarta Bus. Attached map has a RED line around the area with working girls. The GREEN line around the nearby bus station.

Yes, there are still girls on the upper level train tracks. Quantity and quality diminshed from the heyday of the lower level cafes, so unfortunately nothing has changed for the better. But it is there if you want it. Enjoy and looking forward to your report. Enjoy, AR.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3069754]These experiences and thoughts were shared to expressed that Travel, T5 and to a lower extent T2 probably won't be my go to places anymore when I will want to find a girl to fuck in Jakarta in the future.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing your experiences. Real on the ground reporting indeed. I will be curious to see what alternatives you will be using to Classic. It seems any alternative to the 3 meat markets has even bigger issues and such reporting always attracts a "why didn't you just fucking go to Classic" beatdown from many of the Classic Regulars. Enjoy Jakarta, AR.

During my last trip, I tried to get away from the depressing squalor of North Jakarta and moved to Menteng. First I stayed in jalan Wahid Hasyim, which is a very nice walkable street with many four-star hotels and nice restaurants. Later I moved to Menteng Park which is complex of three huge apartment buildings. The street in front was very nice too, walkable and full of young people.

It took me a while to realise but both streets had pimps. These guys would sit at night on the benches of the street and hold a cell phone with pictures of many girls in their hand. They wouldn't talk to me, but they would hold their phones in a way that I could see what they were looking at. At the beginning, I thought these guys were watching porn or using Tinder but when I talked to one of them, he explained me the business. It's 500 k for full service, I could select three girls from the pictures he showed me, he would send the three girls to my place and I could select one of them.

I didn't manage to take him up on his offer, but it sounds interesting and I might do it next time I'm staying in this area.

Has somebody any experience with this kind of business?

[QUOTE=Safado70;3069917]During my last trip, I tried to get away from the depressing squalor of North Jakarta and moved to Menteng. First I stayed in jalan Wahid Hasyim, which is a very nice walkable street with many four-star hotels and nice restaurants. Later I moved to Menteng Park which is complex of three huge apartment buildings. The street in front was very nice too, walkable and full of young people.

It took me a while to realise but both streets had pimps. These guys would sit at night on the benches of the street and hold a cell phone with pictures of many girls in their hand. They wouldn't talk to me, but they would hold their phones in a way that I could see what they were looking at. At the beginning, I thought these guys were watching porn or using Tinder but when I talked to one of them, he explained me the business. It's 500 k for full service, I could select three girls from the pictures he showed me, he would send the three girls to my place and I could select one of them.

I didn't manage to take him up on his offer, but it sounds interesting and I might do it next time I'm staying in this area.

Has somebody any experience with this kind of business?[/QUOTE]Apparently this is the usual way they do it in Bali.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3069920]Apparently this is the usual way they do it in Bali.[/QUOTE]Any particular area?

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3069920]Apparently this is the usual way they do it in Bali.[/QUOTE]Often works that way at Lokasari too, just with more squalor. As for these pimps, when guys order girls on MiChat, who do they think they are talking to? AR.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3069944]Often works that way at Lokasari too, just with more squalor. As for these pimps, when guys order girls on MiChat, who do they think they are talking to? AR.[/QUOTE]My favorite in Lokasari was the van (vans? Might have been more than one). First time I came across it, it was parked in a lot along Mangga Besar, and the second time a motorbike took to a parking area near Travel.

8 girls in the back, you could see and pick the one you wanted, take her back to my (Lokasari) hotel for 400-500 k. Cute girls, much better to see them in person than on a cell phone. Seemed an efficient way to do it.

Haven't seen the van since Covid, though- seems to be a thing of the past.

There are lots of hotels around plaza Indonesia that are friendly.

The Sheraton 4 seasons pan pacific also holiday Inn express ibis akmani.

Also on wahid hasyim lots of hotels I stayed in most of them over past few years.

You won't have any issues in any of them.

I'm planning my second trip to Jakarta. I need help picking a place to stay.

I'm thinking somewhere near grand Indonesia. This will make me in the center and allow me access to both north and south of Jakarta.

I'm also planning on trying tinder so I need somewhere guest friendly. Preferably that doesn't require a visit to the reception.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3069932]Any particular area?[/QUOTE]In the main touristy areas of Kuta I think. This is why I'm not going to bother staying in that area. Instead I'll stay later this summer in Sanur where there are X houses with girls at the 400-500 range which is more in line with Classic and Travel in Jakarta.

[QUOTE=FriendlyPlanet;3070026]My favorite in Lokasari was the van (vans? Might have been more than one). First time I came across it, it was parked in a lot along Mangga Besar, and the second time a motorbike took to a parking area near Travel. 8 girls in the back, you could see and pick the one you wanted, take her back to my (Lokasari) hotel for 400-500 k.[/QUOTE]TBH I never experienced any girls served out of vans. That would have been a treat. I suppose now with the girls all having smartphones, it is just more efficient for the girls to be on the "available" network and come when they are needed by a customer. Virtual digitized van, so to speak. AR.

Looking for some fun activities near CGK, not much time to go downtown so looking for something close to the airport.

Thanks in advance for any guidance.

[QUOTE=Bkk212;3070042]There are lots of hotels around plaza Indonesia that are friendly.

The Sheraton 4 seasons pan pacific also holiday Inn express ibis akmani.

Also on wahid hasyim lots of hotels I stayed in most of them over past few years.

You won't have any issues in any of them.

I'm planning my second trip to Jakarta. I need help picking a place to stay.

I'm thinking somewhere near grand Indonesia. This will make me in the center and allow me access to both north and south of Jakarta.

I'm also planning on trying tinder so I need somewhere guest friendly. Preferably that doesn't require a visit to the reception.[/QUOTE]Grand Hyatt is fine. Just meet your tinder contacts in the lobby. No issues.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;3069900]Thanks for sharing your experiences. Real on the ground reporting indeed. I will be curious to see what alternatives you will be using to Classic. It seems any alternative to the 3 meat markets has even bigger issues and such reporting always attracts a "why didn't you just fucking go to Classic" beatdown from many of the Classic Regulars. Enjoy Jakarta, AR.[/QUOTE]I won't go the internet way, if that's what you were thinking about. Seeking, Tinder, Michat and other stuffs are really not for me.

I'm actually in the belief that the girls provided by establishments are the best way to go in this city.

The moment I met that girl who told me about Kingcross has been a turning point in my trip.

One more place to visit and I didn't need to go and check Classic each time I wanted to find a girl.

That first experience there combined to some adventures in Kota Indah made me almost completely pass on Classic or Travel for my last ten days.

I've been sidelined two days at the worst time during the last week though, because of a religious holiday (Leid) that lasted two days, when the authorities ordered all Entertainment venues to shut down. This event took me completely by surprise as I took my days off from fucking the two previous days.

Kingcross / 3 girls, 1 repeat (from 19 to 23 years old) - the best place, go there if you want to feel a true VIP vibe.

Each times I've been to that place I received an excellent service from all the actors: girls, mamas, servers. The mamas are not fighting among themselves, there's no pressure to pick a girl, you can just sit and enjoy your drink as much as you want (no smoke in the lounge or much less than the usual spots). Very few of the girls were actually smiling during the lineup. I chose a girl that was not smiling at me on two occasions, and both times, the girl was very friendly when she sat with me. They all became even friendlier once in the room, and seemed to be willing to give a good service.

Many categories of girls available, Standard (459 K), Junior (755 K), VIP? (1,155 million), Platinum? (1,35 or maybe 1,45 Million), Viet girls (2 million. The ones I saw were not my style, seemed a bit better than the freelancers on soi 4 but not stunners) and the girls who are staying continuously in the lounge (the ones wearing only a G-string with a see through top at 3 million I believe, but I might have misunderstood that price). I've sampled only girls from the 2 first categories, though I wanted to take a specific girl at 1,155 million once, but finally decided on another one.

Here is a detailed report of my first experience there, so that newbies won't be as clueless as I was and could know what to expect and how things work in that club.

I gave the place a go on a slow night, Sunday around 21 o'clock. If the place is good on a Sunday evening, chances are it's going to be good every other days too, and if not, I'm not losing much as the other places I know are worthless on Sunday nights.

I just put "Kingcross Kelapa Gading" in gojek, it showed 5 OK from Gaja Madah for a bike ride (same price for cars). At such a price, I knew it's going to be a long ride even though it looks close on the map. Depending on the conditions that's already a 30 minutes trip on average. Once I arrived there, I thought I just arrived in the middle of a wasteland and had to ask the driver where is the entrance? I got in there, 3 guards on duty, one asks for my phone and puts a sticker on the lens, so it becomes clear pictures and videos are forbidden. Then a girl at the entrance gives me a card and says there is a 100 K fee to be paid uppon exit. I ask her where is the entrance, and she points to the snookers room right in front of us. I enter the place, but it's weird, some dining tables, some snooker tables, a bar, many girls sitting mostly in the back, but not a single customer. I probably looked lost and the girls were all looking at me, as they never saw me before. I didn't want to do the same stuff than the Chinese guys, when they go and check each girl at close range. One server saw the situation was awkward and told me to go to the lounge at the 3rd floor, it's better there. So I took the lift, went to the 3rd floor and entered the big room. Much better ambiance, with the live band already performing, again plenty of dining tables but almost no customers in sight. Just one Chinese guy sitting alone and drinking his beer, a group of 2 guys seated with 3 or 4 girls dressed with a G-string and a see-through top. One waiter tells me to sit at a table, they bring me a card with food or drinks to be ordered but I reject that and immediately, a mama comes and sit next to me. She shows me a price list on her phone, 4 categories of girls. Standard at 459 K, Junior at 755 K, two other categories over 1 Million but that day I just focused on the 2 first categories (1,155 Million and the other one was something like 1,35 million). I'm hesitant and ask her some questions, what am I paying for, how many girls are there, what's the difference in these pricing. You go and have a sexual affair with the girl in the room, we've got a lot of girls, the more expensive are mostly more beautiful, they don't have babies, are mostly younger while in the first category, almost all of the girls have babies for example. I came all the way here, so I ask to see slim girls in the two first categories only, and I very quickly decide on a girl. They are on average better looking than Classic girls, but there are a lot of them I would not even consider for example. I chose a girl that was my style, and luckily she was also very smiley during the lineup, so I knew she will probably not pull some shit tricks on me in the room. She came and sat with me, and was very friendly. The chitchat went very well with her (we didn't discuss any specific services, but I asked her if there are some things she does not like to do in the room, to which she answered no). Meanwhile a few other customers came in after me, and I could see the lineup being produced again, with some girls I didn't see before, I would not call them stunners but some of them were certainly interesting. I was not sure how long we can stay there with the girl and she said we can go to the room now if I want. She calls the mama, who comes with a paper with all information written on it (the price of the girl appears explicitly), she writes my entrance card's number on it, and asks me to sign it.

We take the lift with the girl, direction 2nd floor. We are assigned a nice room, a real hotel's room, large, big bathroom, big bed, two bottles of water and very clean.

Things went very friendly with the girl except that she asked me if she could smoke a cigarette first, and after that took it as a pretext for not DFK. It didn't bother me much because she was very playful and refreshing. She was young and exactly a type I like, DATY, some BBBJ, then I fucked her in mish. She was so nice, holding me very close to her, a tight and welcoming pussy, no fake moaning, just the sound of her breath, and I think we don't hear the loud music from the club in the room too. I made it last until the phone rang 5 minutes before the end of the session. We took our time to take the shower, no stress about the time, we hugged and left the room with a big smile. Then the girl asks if I want to go upstairs to the lounge again or downstairs, I always went to the lounge to take a drink and watch the people there. Price of a bottle of beer is 69 K, same process, they make you sign the piece of paper. As the night goes on, some more customers arrive, mostly Asians from what I've seen, not much Indo guys (never saw any Westerner), and less and less girls are appearing in the lineups. Then I leave the lounge alone, take the lift back to the lobby, where the guards show me the cashier and I go straight to pay. I thought the best way to pay was by credit card, as you don't have to flash a lot of bills in front of the guards. Just be aware the final price will be inflated by a kind of tax, I always paid around 20 K more than the price I calculated (no entree fee to pay when you pick a girl). Sometimes they give you a receipt to hand over to the guard upon leaving and sometimes not. Interestingly, every details of your personal experience spent there during that night appears on the receipt, time you came in, time you went to the room with the girl, time you left the room, the girl's identification number and so on (but the price written on the receipt does not align with the price you actually paid). I left the place very satisfied, and was happy to have discovered that great place. I quickly planned to check the place more often, but some events made me miss a few days there, that's why I've been there only 4 times. On another occasion I saw that girl again in the lineup and she instantly recognized me and became very smiley again, started laughing in the lineup, naturally I couldn't pass on her. That second time was even better, that time I didn't allow her to smoke her cigarette, as I badly wanted to kiss her mouth. She accepted but under one condition: my pussy or my mouth? You can pick only one. That time I decided on her mouth instead. I told you she was playful and I loved it.

Another night, another girl, a lineup is being produced for two Asian guys not far from me, but they reject all the girls. Mama asks them to wait in front of me too, I reject them too but once they get away, I see one of them more closely and I like the way she is dressed, and the way she walks. I quickly tell mama I'll finally pick the girl with the black dress. She goes and gets her back. The girl was not smiling at all in the lineup, once sitting next to me she doesn't smile either but is still friendly. A bit of chitchat until I realize she is shy being in front of every one in the lounge. She is 23 (she is the oldest girl among the 15 I've met during that trip) and has been admittedly working there for a few months already. We head to the room and I immediately start to get a feel of her body, and I'm very pleasantly surprised to see that her ass is roundly shaped and gives a perfect feeling, just a little bit more soft than firm. I keep rubbing my hand on that ass while undressing her, and finally I see her whole body has that same mid soft mid firm tone with some very beautiful boobs. She is still pretty at close range, smiles and laugh a lot once we're in the room, that girl seems to be into most sexual things. A lot of DFK, she puts herself in doggy to give me one of the best BBBJ I've received while I'm fingering her pussy and rubbing her asshole from the backside. She let's me DATY and rim her and gets juicy. I did her in mish for some time until I decided to put her in doggy. It must be her preferred position, given how instantly she puts herself in the best way, back perfectly arched, ass up, face down with arms put horizontally. In that position I could see her creamy white juice was all over her pussy and ass, I pounded her hard, slapped her ass, gently pulled onto her hair until I couldn't hold it anymore. Different type of girl than the first one, but same desire to give a very good service.

Kota Indah / 5 girls, 1 in MTR, 1 in Laras Ayu, 3 in Sari Ayu. All from 18 to 22 years old.

The best place if you're planning multiple visits.

Good points of that place: That's actually a small area with around 10 closed bars. I've really checked only 4 of them on a regular basis (MTR, New Royal, Sari Ayu, Laras Ayu).

Many girls are working there, most of them young, some of them good looking, and some are looking like they are really excited to meet up with a Westerner.

If you've got the opportunity to be there around midnight or later, the place gets disco vibes. The crazy Indonesian electro music at full power, the local guys (the place attracts almost exclusively Indo guys and some Chinese, Korean, Japanese, but I almost never saw a Westerner or Indian, Black, or Middle Eastern there) dancing with the girls, everybody looking like they are really having a good fun, I loved the ambiance at these hours (there was still plenty of girls to chose, depending on the day). The price is also very cheap, especially considering that some of these girls are really attractive. If you don't want to be labelled as a pervert who comes everyday, you can just.

Switch from one bar to another everyday, nobody will see you except some mama maybe, but all the girls are kept inside each bar.

Bad points: Sometimes the girls are wearing an outfit that masks the shape of the girl's body (you can bypass that disagreement by checking the places regularly, some days the girls are wearing very tight and sexy outfit).

Then the biggest downside is the availability and cleanliness of the rooms. On a Saturday night you might have to wait a long time before a room gets ready. All the rooms are small (half the size of Classic's), and sometimes quite dirty (think about a room with a very strong pee odor or a wet floor when you get in).

I've sampled the place once during my last visit and I was really very unlucky as the only girl I fucked there was also the only girl I've met with a stinky pussy in Indonesia (in Sari Ayu). I recognized her this time too, she was still there and looked better than before but I made sure to never pick her up again. I'm glad I checked the place again this trip though, now I love it.

Here is the detailed report of my first time there, as there is never any detailed experience about that place.

I went in the MTR bar at 9 H30 on a Wednesday night, already plenty of customers but still many girls available. After taking a look all around, a few girls looked a bit interested and at least dared to make an eye contact. It's not very easy to see who is my style the way they were sitting all around the place. I stopped by near the bar stool and mama asked me if I want a girl, and showed me one that was sitting not far, and said she is new girl. She used the pointer, the girl shyly looked at me and gave me a genuine smile. They were wearing a red and white dress that does not reveal their body, if ever mama didn't suggest any girl I think I would have left the place just because of the dress. She asked the girl to got up, she didn't look fat and was still smiling, so I decided to not hesitate too much and took her apart on the nearby available sofa. She looked a bit shy, didn't speak a word of English. Name Fina, 22 years old, 51 kilos, admittedly been working there for 2 weeks. That's bigger than the girls I usually take in Indo but she looked firm, had a cute face and was smiling all the time. We talk a bit, I ask if she wants to drink something, she answers yes. Nobody comes to us, so after a few minutes I call over the waitress and order what the girl wanted. A bottle of Soju that we shared (230 K, as a price comparison it costs 122 K in Classics), we start drinking it together. Mama comes back around 15 minutes after I got seated with the girl and asks if I want 1 or 2 hours? I tell 1 only, she says ok then take your drink and go directly to the room. First stop was to pay at the cashier (420 K for the girl and the 230 K for the drink), then up to the room. Once in the room the girl is all smiley telling me I'm handsome, she said that earlier too. We take our time to get undressed and the good thing is she is into DFK, but insists to get a shower. She acts a bit like she is shy, but in a cute way. After the shower, some more DFK then straight on the bed where she gives me a good BBBJ but doesn't want to be licked (no fingers too). After some minutes she tries to put the condom on but obviously is not experienced so I do it myself instead. Then I put her in mish, enters her slowly and gets very pleasantly surprised that her pussy is very tight. Lots of DFK, she holds me very tight, stroke my body and gives some slaps on my ass. Very nice and passionate first fuck in Kota Indah. I finally put her in doggy and finish her like that just a minute before the phone rang (5 minutes before the end of the hour). We take our time to get the shower, got dressed again and just before opening the door, she asks if I don't give her a tip? I finally gave her a 100 k, hugged her, she kept holding my hand in the stairs until we waived good by once we were downstairs.

After that first experience, every other times I went in Kota Indah, I didn't bother offering a drink for the girl as it just adds confusion, so I would just take the girl apart for a quick talk or just go straight to the cashier and up to the room if the girl looks happy to be picked.

In each trips I come across one sakit girl. You never know who it's going to be nor in which place it's going to happen. First trip was in Travel, second trip was in T5, that trip it had to be in Kota Indah (Sari Ayu is the name of that bar). Things started very well with that girl though. I was looking all the girls available one evening with mama staying close to me (she knew I was going to pick a girl because I picked another girl the night before). Behind me was a sofa with 5 girls seated, I'm trying to figure out how does one of them look like, she seemed to have a fair skin with nice hairs (she had her face down, and was actually looking at her phone, I couldn't see her face). Mama pointed to the girl and said you want her? The girl looked at me and smiled back but I couldn't see properly, it's quite dark in there. Mama made her get up, and they were wearing that fucking evening dress where we can't distinguish what the girl's body really looks like. I was concerned she might have some belly in fact. After 5 or 10 minutes of chitchat, the girl was at first hesitant, but slowly looked interested to try the experience together. To her credit she asked me if I had a big tool, to which I answered I'm medium (thinking that it's going to be fine if I do things gently and slowly). Finally we made it to the room and I'm stunned by her body once she undressed, she looked so good, even her face was very attractive. We shower, no DFK as long as I can remember, but the girl is very friendly. Once on the bed I start sucking on her beautiful boobs, then I said something (I don't remember) to which she said "you want to?" implying, you want to lick me pussy? I said yes and she said please go ahead while she puts herself at ease. She had one of the most beautiful pussy I've ever seen, her skin was so smooth, her pubic hair looked not even grown pubic hair (she was 19). That's the kind of young pussies that comes with the taste and smell of her hormones and that drives me crazy. She loved it and I could have kept doing it forever but I also wanted to fuck her. So I went straight next to her, put my dick over her face and she gave a very nice BBBJ with lots of ball licking. Again I should have kept it at that if I had known. I knew I had to put some lube in her pussy first, and entered her very slowly in mish but that's when everything went downhill. The moment I entered her, just the tip of the dick inside her pussy and she showed signs of extreme pain until the end of the session. Even the girls I've fucked in the ass for the first time of their lives were not showing such signs of pain. I didn't want to stop it though and thought her pussy might loosen up by the time. She was not even the tightest girl I've met, I can only guess her pussy was already bruised on the inside to put her in such discomfort. I was doing it so slowly that at times my dick was starting to go soft, and eventually after 15 minutes of that treatment, the phone rang and I just decided to quit. She was not as friendly as earlier anymore and we did end the session knowing we'll never get a session together anymore. That's a shame because she was great in the foreplay. I saw her many times seated on the chairs after that night, that was too bad I couldn't chose her anymore.

The first night I checked the bars in Kota Indah, there's only one place where the girls really showed some signs that they were interested by me. Every other places, the girls would barely look at me, even when the mama pointed the laser at them. The place where the girls looked the most interested was Laras Ayu, so that first night in Kota Indah I decided to stay in the bar, take a drink and just observe without picking anyone. At least 5 girls were showing very obvious signs they wanted to come over but I didn't pick them. Once I was starting to get accustomed to the scene, I was checking each bars one after another, and never really saw a pretty girl in Laras Ayu, so I was mostly going to MTR or Sary Ayu instead. One night, I go there a bit late, probably around midnight, and the mama following me looked really eager to sell one of the remaining girls. One of the girls that showed some good signs a week or so before instantly recognized me and flashed her best smile again, but she was a bit average for my taste and I didn't want to be soft and chose her only because she likes me. So mama points her laser to a few girls, and as I was about to leave, she asks me, what style do you want? Big boobs, bigger girl, slim? I say slim, she points to a girl in the back of the place they usually sit, the girl watches me and show me a nice smile. Mama calls her over, and I see she is tall and very slim, with a nice face that looks more Chinese than Indonesian to me, and I can see she's got a very nice belly. Mama says you can talk to her first. We talk a bit, she does not look to be impressed though she is only 18. I decide to check her up because her body looks very fine. Same price to be paid to the cashier first (420 K) then up to the room, quick shower. She puts herself half lying half sitting on the bed, lots of DFK, she really loved that, a bit of BBFS and I fucked her like that with her legs over my chest. I thought I'll have to do it softly again, but I saw the girl was feeling comfy with me so I quickly upped the pace with my dick almost getting out and fully in her at each thrust and she really loved it as she kept keeping me close and watching me from time to time. I pounded her hard like that for quite some time until I couldn't handle it anymore. Felt really great to pound such a tiny girl, unfortunately my trip was coming to an end quickly and I couldn't sample these places more often.

Next trip, Kingcross and Kota Indah will definitely be my primary go to places in the beginning. I might directly take a hotel in North Jakarta at first as Kingcross is not the only establishment offering girls in that block it seems. I saw it very lately (just 3 days before moving out of Indonesia, so I didn't check them up because I wanted only good sessions at that time of my trip), but there are 4 other places to get your dick polished in that same block. One basic spa that looks on the cheap side as they advertise the cost is at 400 K net (I saw a cute and slim girl going back there one of these nights when they were ordered to shut down), 2 other SPA with sauna (one of them had a lot of nice cars in front and looked like a VIP place, so I'm pretty sure it's a good place to check out at least once) and another club named "Utara" (I didn't check inside, but loud music could be heard from the outside, same kind of guards at the front door). If anybody knows anything about that Utara club, a report would be appreciated, if not I'll check it by myself in a few month anyway. That's just one block in that area, there are probably many other establishments to check out in that city, even though they will probably be more expensive than the usual spots we keep talking about.

Some stupid shit about Kota Indah.

I tried to check out Kota Indah relatively early in that trip (after 10 days maybe), but things went wrong that time. I wrote Kota Indah on gojek and chose the entrance gate as destination. The fare showed was around 22 K from Gaja Madah, which looked to me it was much more than what I used to pay during my last trip the only time I went there. I just remembered approximatively on which side of the city that area is located, and thought the higher price was because of the Trump's war. The driver arrives, we start riding and I see he seems to be going the opposite way. I asked him, we're going to Kota Indah right? He says yes, and talk about roads that are too small, that's why he takes these big streets instead. After 25 minutes the guy seems lost and can't find the destination place on the GPS. He stops by 3 older guys sitting on the side and asks them, but nobody understands where I'm going. They then ask me what you're going to do there? What is that place you want to go to? A hotel? A restaurant? I didn't want to tell them I'm going there to fuck your women and your daughters, so I said I go there to drink. It's a bar I'm going to. One of the guy said, take him to "Helen" if he wants to drink. After some talk with the driver I thought ok, that place might even be a good surprise for me. We then arrive in the middle of nowhere again where that "Helen" establishment is located. Turns out it was just a fucking night club, and nobody was inside except the guards (who tried to sell me a big bottle of Red Label before I could go in and check it). It was 21 h30 o'clock, so I told them I'll come back later, but never went back. I think the area it was located in was "Grogol" but I'm not sure. Finally I remembered the name of one of the bars in Kota Indah, wrote in on Gojek, took another 30 minutes ride and arrived at the desired destination after having spent more than one hour on these fucking bikes. That was the first night when I just drank a beer in Laras Ayu, but I didn't realize how powerful the AC was in that place. The same night just a few hours later, I already had a very sore throat and felt sick for many days.

All that stupid shit to say that apparently there are many Kota Indah in Jakarta, so directly write the name of the bar (like Sary Ayu) in the Gojek or Grab app if you don't want to be taken for a ride all over the city.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3070455]The moment I met that girl who told me about Kingcross has been a turning point in my trip.

One more place to visit and I didn't need to go and check Classic each time I wanted to find a girl.

That first experience there combined to some adventures in Kota Indah made me almost completely pass on Classic or Travel for my last ten days.

I've been sidelined two days at the worst time during the last week though, because of a religious holiday (Leid) that lasted two days, when the authorities ordered all Entertainment venues to shut down. This event took me completely by surprise as I took my days off from fucking the two previous days.[/QUOTE]Yea Kings Cross is awesome. It's a shame it's so far away from where most people stay.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3070455]The moment I met that girl who told me about Kingcross has been a turning point in my trip.[/QUOTE]Great report! Just one question: did you get BBFS from the girls at Kingcross? Or did you not ask for it?

Great report, thanks for your information!!

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3070455]The moment I met that girl who told me about Kingcross has been a turning point in my trip.

One more place to visit and I didn't need to go and check Classic each time I wanted to find a girl.

That first experience there combined to some adventures in Kota Indah made me almost completely pass on Classic or Travel for my last ten days.

I've been sidelined two days at the worst time during the last week though, because of a religious holiday (Leid) that lasted two days, when the authorities ordered all Entertainment venues to shut down. This event took me completely by surprise as I took my days off from fucking the two previous days.

Kingcross / 3 girls, 1 repeat (from 19 to 23 years old) - the best place, go there if you want to feel a true VIP vibe.

Each times I've been to that place I received an excellent service from all the actors: girls, mamas, servers. The mamas are not fighting among themselves, there's no pressure to pick a girl, you can just sit and enjoy your drink as much as you want (no smoke in the lounge or much less than the usual spots). Very few of the girls were actually smiling during the lineup. I chose a girl that was not smiling at me on two occasions, and both times, the girl was very friendly when she sat with me. They all became even friendlier once in the room, and seemed to be willing to give a good service.

Many categories of girls available, Standard (459 K), Junior (755 K), VIP? (1,155 million), Platinum? (1,35 or maybe 1,45 Million), Viet girls (2 million. The ones I saw were not my style, seemed a bit better than the freelancers on soi 4 but not stunners) and the girls who are staying continuously in the lounge (the ones wearing only a G-string with a see through top at 3 million I believe, but I might have misunderstood that price). I've sampled only girls from the 2 first categories, though I wanted to take a specific girl at 1,155 million once, but finally decided on another one.

Here is a detailed report of my first experience there, so that newbies won't be as clueless as I was and could know what to expect and how things work in that club.

I gave the place a go on a slow night, Sunday around 21 o'clock. If the place is good on a Sunday evening, chances are it's going to be good every other days too, and if not, I'm not losing much as the other places I know are worthless on Sunday nights.

I just put "Kingcross Kelapa Gading" in gojek, it showed 5 OK from Gaja Madah for a bike ride (same price for cars). At such a price, I knew it's going to be a long ride even though it looks close on the map. Depending on the conditions that's already a 30 minutes trip on average. Once I arrived there, I thought I just arrived in the middle of a wasteland and had to ask the driver where is the entrance? I got in there, 3 guards on duty, one asks for my phone and puts a sticker on the lens, so it becomes clear pictures and videos are forbidden. Then a girl at the entrance gives me a card and says there is a 100 K fee to be paid uppon exit. I ask her where is the entrance, and she points to the snookers room right in front of us. I enter the place, but it's weird, some dining tables, some snooker tables, a bar, many girls sitting mostly in the back, but not a single customer. I probably looked lost and the girls were all looking at me, as they never saw me before. I didn't want to do the same stuff than the Chinese guys, when they go and check each girl at close range. One server saw the situation was awkward and told me to go to the lounge at the 3rd floor, it's better there. So I took the lift, went to the 3rd floor and entered the big room. Much better ambiance, with the live band already performing, again plenty of dining tables but almost no customers in sight. Just one Chinese guy sitting alone and drinking his beer, a group of 2 guys seated with 3 or 4 girls dressed with a G-string and a see-through top. One waiter tells me to sit at a table, they bring me a card with food or drinks to be ordered but I reject that and immediately, a mama comes and sit next to me. She shows me a price list on her phone, 4 categories of girls. Standard at 459 K, Junior at 755 K, two other categories over 1 Million but that day I just focused on the 2 first categories (1,155 Million and the other one was something like 1,35 million). I'm hesitant and ask her some questions, what am I paying for, how many girls are there, what's the difference in these pricing. You go and have a sexual affair with the girl in the room, we've got a lot of girls, the more expensive are mostly more beautiful, they don't have babies, are mostly younger while in the first category, almost all of the girls have babies for example. I came all the way here, so I ask to see slim girls in the two first categories only, and I very quickly decide on a girl. They are on average better looking than Classic girls, but there are a lot of them I would not even consider for example. I chose a girl that was my style, and luckily she was also very smiley during the lineup, so I knew she will probably not pull some shit tricks on me in the room. She came and sat with me, and was very friendly. The chitchat went very well with her (we didn't discuss any specific services, but I asked her if there are some things she does not like to do in the room, to which she answered no). Meanwhile a few other customers came in after me, and I could see the lineup being produced again, with some girls I didn't see before, I would not call them stunners but some of them were certainly interesting. I was not sure how long we can stay there with the girl and she said we can go to the room now if I want. She calls the mama, who comes with a paper with all information written on it (the price of the girl appears explicitly), she writes my entrance card's number on it, and asks me to sign it.

We take the lift with the girl, direction 2nd floor. We are assigned a nice room, a real hotel's room, large, big bathroom, big bed, two bottles of water and very clean.

Things went very friendly with the girl except that she asked me if she could smoke a cigarette first, and after that took it as a pretext for not DFK. It didn't bother me much because she was very playful and refreshing. She was young and exactly a type I like, DATY, some BBBJ, then I fucked her in mish. She was so nice, holding me very close to her, a tight and welcoming pussy, no fake moaning, just the sound of her breath, and I think we don't hear the loud music from the club in the room too. I made it last until the phone rang 5 minutes before the end of the session. We took our time to take the shower, no stress about the time, we hugged and left the room with a big smile. Then the girl asks if I want to go upstairs to the lounge again or downstairs, I always went to the lounge to take a drink and watch the people there. Price of a bottle of beer is 69 K, same process, they make you sign the piece of paper. As the night goes on, some more customers arrive, mostly Asians from what I've seen, not much Indo guys (never saw any Westerner), and less and less girls are appearing in the lineups. Then I leave the lounge alone, take the lift back to the lobby, where the guards show me the cashier and I go straight to pay. I thought the best way to pay was by credit card, as you don't have to flash a lot of bills in front of the guards. Just be aware the final price will be inflated by a kind of tax, I always paid around 20 K more than the price I calculated (no entree fee to pay when you pick a girl). Sometimes they give you a receipt to hand over to the guard upon leaving and sometimes not. Interestingly, every details of your personal experience spent there during that night appears on the receipt, time you came in, time you went to the room with the girl, time you left the room, the girl's identification number and so on (but the price written on the receipt does not align with the price you actually paid). I left the place very satisfied, and was happy to have discovered that great place. I quickly planned to check the place more often, but some events made me miss a few days there, that's why I've been there only 4 times. On another occasion I saw that girl again in the lineup and she instantly recognized me and became very smiley again, started laughing in the lineup, naturally I couldn't pass on her. That second time was even better, that time I didn't allow her to smoke her cigarette, as I badly wanted to kiss her mouth. She accepted but under one condition: my pussy or my mouth? You can pick only one. That time I decided on her mouth instead. I told you she was playful and I loved it.

Another night, another girl, a lineup is being produced for two Asian guys not far from me, but they reject all the girls. Mama asks them to wait in front of me too, I reject them too but once they get away, I see one of them more closely and I like the way she is dressed, and the way she walks. I quickly tell mama I'll finally pick the girl with the black dress. She goes and gets her back. The girl was not smiling at all in the lineup, once sitting next to me she doesn't smile either but is still friendly. A bit of chitchat until I realize she is shy being in front of every one in the lounge. She is 23 (she is the oldest girl among the 15 I've met during that trip) and has been admittedly working there for a few months already. We head to the room and I immediately start to get a feel of her body, and I'm very pleasantly surprised to see that her ass is roundly shaped and gives a perfect feeling, just a little bit more soft than firm. I keep rubbing my hand on that ass while undressing her, and finally I see her whole body has that same mid soft mid firm tone with some very beautiful boobs. She is still pretty at close range, smiles and laugh a lot once we're in the room, that girl seems to be into most sexual things. A lot of DFK, she puts herself in doggy to give me one of the best BBBJ I've received while I'm fingering her pussy and rubbing her asshole from the backside. She let's me DATY and rim her and gets juicy. I did her in mish for some time until I decided to put her in doggy. It must be her preferred position, given how instantly she puts herself in the best way, back perfectly arched, ass up, face down with arms put horizontally. In that position I could see her creamy white juice was all over her pussy and ass, I pounded her hard, slapped her ass, gently pulled onto her hair until I couldn't hold it anymore. Different type of girl than the first one, but same desire to give a very good service.

Kota Indah / 5 girls, 1 in MTR, 1 in Laras Ayu, 3 in Sari Ayu. All from 18 to 22 years old.

The best place if you're planning multiple visits.

Good points of that place: That's actually a small area with around 10 closed bars. I've really checked only 4 of them on a regular basis (MTR, New Royal, Sari Ayu, Laras Ayu).

Many girls are working there, most of them young, some of them good looking, and some are looking like they are really excited to meet up with a Westerner.

If you've got the opportunity to be there around midnight or later, the place gets disco vibes. The crazy Indonesian electro music at full power, the local guys (the place attracts almost exclusively Indo guys and some Chinese, Korean, Japanese, but I almost never saw a Westerner or Indian, Black, or Middle Eastern there) dancing with the girls, everybody looking like they are really having a good fun, I loved the ambiance at these hours (there was still plenty of girls to chose, depending on the day). The price is also very cheap, especially considering that some of these girls are really attractive. If you don't want to be labelled as a pervert who comes everyday, you can just.

Switch from one bar to another everyday, nobody will see you except some mama maybe, but all the girls are kept inside each bar.

Bad points: Sometimes the girls are wearing an outfit that masks the shape of the girl's body (you can bypass that disagreement by checking the places regularly, some days the girls are wearing very tight and sexy outfit).

Then the biggest downside is the availability and cleanliness of the rooms. On a Saturday night you might have to wait a long time before a room gets ready. All the rooms are small (half the size of Classic's), and sometimes quite dirty (think about a room with a very strong pee odor or a wet floor when you get in).

I've sampled the place once during my last visit and I was really very unlucky as the only girl I fucked there was also the only girl I've met with a stinky pussy in Indonesia (in Sari Ayu). I recognized her this time too, she was still there and looked better than before but I made sure to never pick her up again. I'm glad I checked the place again this trip though, now I love it.

Here is the detailed report of my first time there, as there is never any detailed experience about that place.

I went in the MTR bar at 9 H30 on a Wednesday night, already plenty of customers but still many girls available. After taking a look all around, a few girls looked a bit interested and at least dared to make an eye contact. It's not very easy to see who is my style the way they were sitting all around the place. I stopped by near the bar stool and mama asked me if I want a girl, and showed me one that was sitting not far, and said she is new girl. She used the pointer, the girl shyly looked at me and gave me a genuine smile. They were wearing a red and white dress that does not reveal their body, if ever mama didn't suggest any girl I think I would have left the place just because of the dress. She asked the girl to got up, she didn't look fat and was still smiling, so I decided to not hesitate too much and took her apart on the nearby available sofa. She looked a bit shy, didn't speak a word of English. Name Fina, 22 years old, 51 kilos, admittedly been working there for 2 weeks. That's bigger than the girls I usually take in Indo but she looked firm, had a cute face and was smiling all the time. We talk a bit, I ask if she wants to drink something, she answers yes. Nobody comes to us, so after a few minutes I call over the waitress and order what the girl wanted. A bottle of Soju that we shared (230 K, as a price comparison it costs 122 K in Classics), we start drinking it together. Mama comes back around 15 minutes after I got seated with the girl and asks if I want 1 or 2 hours? I tell 1 only, she says ok then take your drink and go directly to the room. First stop was to pay at the cashier (420 K for the girl and the 230 K for the drink), then up to the room. Once in the room the girl is all smiley telling me I'm handsome, she said that earlier too. We take our time to get undressed and the good thing is she is into DFK, but insists to get a shower. She acts a bit like she is shy, but in a cute way. After the shower, some more DFK then straight on the bed where she gives me a good BBBJ but doesn't want to be licked (no fingers too). After some minutes she tries to put the condom on but obviously is not experienced so I do it myself instead. Then I put her in mish, enters her slowly and gets very pleasantly surprised that her pussy is very tight. Lots of DFK, she holds me very tight, stroke my body and gives some slaps on my ass. Very nice and passionate first fuck in Kota Indah. I finally put her in doggy and finish her like that just a minute before the phone rang (5 minutes before the end of the hour). We take our time to get the shower, got dressed again and just before opening the door, she asks if I don't give her a tip? I finally gave her a 100 k, hugged her, she kept holding my hand in the stairs until we waived good by once we were downstairs.

After that first experience, every other times I went in Kota Indah, I didn't bother offering a drink for the girl as it just adds confusion, so I would just take the girl apart for a quick talk or just go straight to the cashier and up to the room if the girl looks happy to be picked.

In each trips I come across one sakit girl. You never know who it's going to be nor in which place it's going to happen. First trip was in Travel, second trip was in T5, that trip it had to be in Kota Indah (Sari Ayu is the name of that bar). Things started very well with that girl though. I was looking all the girls available one evening with mama staying close to me (she knew I was going to pick a girl because I picked another girl the night before). Behind me was a sofa with 5 girls seated, I'm trying to figure out how does one of them look like, she seemed to have a fair skin with nice hairs (she had her face down, and was actually looking at her phone, I couldn't see her face). Mama pointed to the girl and said you want her? The girl looked at me and smiled back but I couldn't see properly, it's quite dark in there. Mama made her get up, and they were wearing that fucking evening dress where we can't distinguish what the girl's body really looks like. I was concerned she might have some belly in fact. After 5 or 10 minutes of chitchat, the girl was at first hesitant, but slowly looked interested to try the experience together. To her credit she asked me if I had a big tool, to which I answered I'm medium (thinking that it's going to be fine if I do things gently and slowly). Finally we made it to the room and I'm stunned by her body once she undressed, she looked so good, even her face was very attractive. We shower, no DFK as long as I can remember, but the girl is very friendly. Once on the bed I start sucking on her beautiful boobs, then I said something (I don't remember) to which she said "you want to?" implying, you want to lick me pussy? I said yes and she said please go ahead while she puts herself at ease. She had one of the most beautiful pussy I've ever seen, her skin was so smooth, her pubic hair looked not even grown pubic hair (she was 19). That's the kind of young pussies that comes with the taste and smell of her hormones and that drives me crazy. She loved it and I could have kept doing it forever but I also wanted to fuck her. So I went straight next to her, put my dick over her face and she gave a very nice BBBJ with lots of ball licking. Again I should have kept it at that if I had known. I knew I had to put some lube in her pussy first, and entered her very slowly in mish but that's when everything went downhill. The moment I entered her, just the tip of the dick inside her pussy and she showed signs of extreme pain until the end of the session. Even the girls I've fucked in the ass for the first time of their lives were not showing such signs of pain. I didn't want to stop it though and thought her pussy might loosen up by the time. She was not even the tightest girl I've met, I can only guess her pussy was already bruised on the inside to put her in such discomfort. I was doing it so slowly that at times my dick was starting to go soft, and eventually after 15 minutes of that treatment, the phone rang and I just decided to quit. She was not as friendly as earlier anymore and we did end the session knowing we'll never get a session together anymore. That's a shame because she was great in the foreplay. I saw her many times seated on the chairs after that night, that was too bad I couldn't chose her anymore.

The first night I checked the bars in Kota Indah, there's only one place where the girls really showed some signs that they were interested by me. Every other places, the girls would barely look at me, even when the mama pointed the laser at them. The place where the girls looked the most interested was Laras Ayu, so that first night in Kota Indah I decided to stay in the bar, take a drink and just observe without picking anyone. At least 5 girls were showing very obvious signs they wanted to come over but I didn't pick them. Once I was starting to get accustomed to the scene, I was checking each bars one after another, and never really saw a pretty girl in Laras Ayu, so I was mostly going to MTR or Sary Ayu instead. One night, I go there a bit late, probably around midnight, and the mama following me looked really eager to sell one of the remaining girls. One of the girls that showed some good signs a week or so before instantly recognized me and flashed her best smile again, but she was a bit average for my taste and I didn't want to be soft and chose her only because she likes me. So mama points her laser to a few girls, and as I was about to leave, she asks me, what style do you want? Big boobs, bigger girl, slim? I say slim, she points to a girl in the back of the place they usually sit, the girl watches me and show me a nice smile. Mama calls her over, and I see she is tall and very slim, with a nice face that looks more Chinese than Indonesian to me, and I can see she's got a very nice belly. Mama says you can talk to her first. We talk a bit, she does not look to be impressed though she is only 18. I decide to check her up because her body looks very fine. Same price to be paid to the cashier first (420 K) then up to the room, quick shower. She puts herself half lying half sitting on the bed, lots of DFK, she really loved that, a bit of BBFS and I fucked her like that with her legs over my chest. I thought I'll have to do it softly again, but I saw the girl was feeling comfy with me so I quickly upped the pace with my dick almost getting out and fully in her at each thrust and she really loved it as she kept keeping me close and watching me from time to time. I pounded her hard like that for quite some time until I couldn't handle it anymore. Felt really great to pound such a tiny girl, unfortunately my trip was coming to an end quickly and I couldn't sample these places more often.

Next trip, Kingcross and Kota Indah will definitely be my primary go to places in the beginning. I might directly take a hotel in North Jakarta at first as Kingcross is not the only establishment offering girls in that block it seems. I saw it very lately (just 3 days before moving out of Indonesia, so I didn't check them up because I wanted only good sessions at that time of my trip), but there are 4 other places to get your dick polished in that same block. One basic spa that looks on the cheap side as they advertise the cost is at 400 K net (I saw a cute and slim girl going back there one of these nights when they were ordered to shut down), 2 other SPA with sauna (one of them had a lot of nice cars in front and looked like a VIP place, so I'm pretty sure it's a good place to check out at least once) and another club named "Utara" (I didn't check inside, but loud music could be heard from the outside, same kind of guards at the front door). If anybody knows anything about that Utara club, a report would be appreciated, if not I'll check it by myself in a few month anyway. That's just one block in that area, there are probably many other establishments to check out in that city, even though they will probably be more expensive than the usual spots we keep talking about.

Some stupid shit about Kota Indah.

I tried to check out Kota Indah relatively early in that trip (after 10 days maybe), but things went wrong that time. I wrote Kota Indah on gojek and chose the entrance gate as destination. The fare showed was around 22 K from Gaja Madah, which looked to me it was much more than what I used to pay during my last trip the only time I went there. I just remembered approximatively on which side of the city that area is located, and thought the higher price was because of the Trump's war. The driver arrives, we start riding and I see he seems to be going the opposite way. I asked him, we're going to Kota Indah right? He says yes, and talk about roads that are too small, that's why he takes these big streets instead. After 25 minutes the guy seems lost and can't find the destination place on the GPS. He stops by 3 older guys sitting on the side and asks them, but nobody understands where I'm going. They then ask me what you're going to do there? What is that place you want to go to? A hotel? A restaurant? I didn't want to tell them I'm going there to fuck your women and your daughters, so I said I go there to drink. It's a bar I'm going to. One of the guy said, take him to "Helen" if he wants to drink. After some talk with the driver I thought ok, that place might even be a good surprise for me. We then arrive in the middle of nowhere again where that "Helen" establishment is located. Turns out it was just a fucking night club, and nobody was inside except the guards (who tried to sell me a big bottle of Red Label before I could go in and check it). It was 21 h30 o'clock, so I told them I'll come back later, but never went back. I think the area it was located in was "Grogol" but I'm not sure. Finally I remembered the name of one of the bars in Kota Indah, wrote in on Gojek, took another 30 minutes ride and arrived at the desired destination after having spent more than one hour on these fucking bikes. That was the first night when I just drank a beer in Laras Ayu, but I didn't realize how powerful the AC was in that place. The same night just a few hours later, I already had a very sore throat and felt sick for many days.

All that stupid shit to say that apparently there are many Kota Indah in Jakarta, so directly write the name of the bar (like Sary Ayu) in the Gojek or Grab app if you don't want to be taken for a ride all over the city.[/QUOTE]

There are plenty of guys I came across who offered this especially when they sense you are a foreigner visiting Jakarta for the first time who may not be familiar with the city's less obvious dark side. In reality most of them only know one or two places and have a handful of contacts on their phones who quote exorbitant prices. Whenever I mention that I can easily find someone at Classic, Kota Indah, Travel, or Kelapa Gading at far less, the conversation usually goes quiet pretty quickly.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3069917]During my last trip, I tried to get away from the depressing squalor of North Jakarta and moved to Menteng. First I stayed in jalan Wahid Hasyim, which is a very nice walkable street with many four-star hotels and nice restaurants. Later I moved to Menteng Park which is complex of three huge apartment buildings. The street in front was very nice too, walkable and full of young people.

It took me a while to realise but both streets had pimps. These guys would sit at night on the benches of the street and hold a cell phone with pictures of many girls in their hand. They wouldn't talk to me, but they would hold their phones in a way that I could see what they were looking at. At the beginning, I thought these guys were watching porn or using Tinder but when I talked to one of them, he explained me the business. It's 500 k for full service, I could select three girls from the pictures he showed me, he would send the three girls to my place and I could select one of them.

I didn't manage to take him up on his offer, but it sounds interesting and I might do it next time I'm staying in this area.

Has somebody any experience with this kind of business?[/QUOTE]

I went there a couple of times. It's quite far, and there are only one or two establishments in the area. Getting a ride there was easy enough, but finding a return ride took much longer. On top of that, it takes forever for the mami to show up with girls with a range of price options. If you have the entire evening free to spend there, it can be worth the trip. Otherwise, I found the time and effort required didn't really justify the experience compared to just sticking to North Jakarta bars.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3070455]The moment I met that girl who told me about Kingcross has been a turning point in my trip.

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[QUOTE=Mogwai;3070525]Great report! Just one question: did you get BBFS from the girls at Kingcross? Or did you not ask for it?[/QUOTE]I tried to PM you but your box is full.

[QUOTE=JuneFly;3070544]I went there a couple of times. It's quite far, and there are only one or two establishments in the area. Getting a ride there was easy enough, but finding a return ride took much longer. On top of that, it takes forever for the mami to show up with girls with a range of price options. If you have the entire evening free to spend there, it can be worth the trip. Otherwise, I found the time and effort required didn't really justify the experience compared to just sticking to North Jakarta bars.[/QUOTE]These issues were non-existent in my experience.

I primarily chose the bike option on gojek, never had an issue to get a driver accept the ride back. Never waited more than 2 or 3 minutes before he arrived.

Took the car twice because of the rain, once to go there from Kota Indah, I waited only 6 minutes. Another time I left Kingcross to go and check the Wonglok Chinese restaurant in Kelapa Gading by bike, then the rain started pouring once I was inside, I called a car with Gojek, the guy accepted the ride instantly and arrived around 6 minutes later too.

I only used Gojek, never Grab.

Every time I've been there, I was almost the only customer, so I never had to wait for the mama to come, she was by my side instantly. People started coming only after me (I was there mostly around 21 o'clock).

But I think the mamas keep a track on who is picky, hesitant, or just coming to watch, and who is here to pick a girl straight. In my case, I chose a girl from the first time I've been there, so they remembered me very well each time I came, and they knew I won't sit there for hours before picking a girl, and I usually didn't need them to send 10 batch of girls before I chose. Sometimes the mami would great me at the exit of the lift, just let me get in and take a seat, and would quickly come to sit by my side and start getting the girls come over.
I think i never spent more than around 2 hours there, 1 hour in the room, around an hour in the lounge after the session, it never took me the whole evening.

I think it's the same in Kota Indah. The mami follows us but when she sees we are too hesitant or not answer her questions, she just lose interest and leave us alone. Some mamis in Kota Indah knew I was here to pick a girl, so they were checking uppon me regularly, even when I was choosing to take a drink first, or after a session they would come and ask if I want a 2nd girl.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3070565]These issues were non-existent in my experience.

I primarily chose the bike option on gojek, never had an issue to get a driver accept the ride back. Never waited more than 2 or 3 minutes before he arrived.

Took the car twice because of the rain, once to go there from Kota Indah, I waited only 6 minutes. Another time I left Kingcross to go and check the Wonglok Chinese restaurant in Kelapa Gading by bike, then the rain started pouring once I was inside, I called a car with Gojek, the guy accepted the ride instantly and arrived around 6 minutes later too.

I only used Gojek, never Grab.

Every time I've been there, I was almost the only customer, so I never had to wait for the mama to come, she was by my side instantly. People started coming only after me (I was there mostly around 21 o'clock).

But I think the mamas keep a track on who is picky, hesitant, or just coming to watch, and who is here to pick a girl straight. In my case, I chose a girl from the first time I've been there, so they remembered me very well each time I came, and they knew I won't sit there for hours before picking a girl, and I usually didn't need them to send 10 batch of girls before I chose. Sometimes the mami would great me at the exit of the lift, just let me get in and take a seat, and would quickly come to sit by my side and start getting the girls come over.
I think i never spent more than around 2 hours there, 1 hour in the room, around an hour in the lounge after the session, it never took me the whole evening.

I think it's the same in Kota Indah. The mami follows us but when she sees we are too hesitant or not answer her questions, she just lose interest and leave us alone. Some mamis in Kota Indah knew I was here to pick a girl, so they were checking uppon me regularly, even when I was choosing to take a drink first, or after a session they would come and ask if I want a 2nd girl.[/QUOTE]Great report, just to check I realized that you've never taken any of the girls back to your hotel for an overnight, any reason why or do you prefer to sleep alone?

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3070563]I tried to PM you but your box is full.[/QUOTE]Sorry, didn't know that. I cleaned it up.

[QUOTE=Jimmyzhu;3070577]Great report, just to check I realized that you've never taken any of the girls back to your hotel for an overnight, any reason why or do you prefer to sleep alone?[/QUOTE]Yes all the girls have been done on-site.

That's usually my personal preference, I very rarely do a LT anywhere else too, and I think it is really not worth the price taking one of these girls back to the room in Jakarta.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3070677]Yes all the girls have been done on-site.

That's usually my personal preference, I very rarely do a LT anywhere else too, and I think it is really not worth the price taking one of these girls back to the room in Jakarta.[/QUOTE]I second this preference especially if the girls don't speak much English. Very hard to keep any conversation going all night even with Google Translate. It's not like in Philippines or even Thailand where many bar girls speak at least broken English.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3070724]I second this preference especially if the girls don't speak much English. Very hard to keep any conversation going all night even with Google Translate. It's not like in Philippines or even Thailand where many bar girls speak at least broken English.[/QUOTE]Yes, the lack of even basic English is a problem with many girls. On top of that, LT is relatively expensive, usually 5 to 7 times ST price.

The going rate for LT or overnighter in Jakarta is 2 mn -3 mn, that's what I pay for my girls. I mean in this price range you can easily get an 8, with excellent body and service attitude. I had a mid 20's big boobs and I settled at 2.2 including transport with her. But add drinks and dinner. I don't mind going out with her for a few drinks in between sessions. Of course sex is unlimited and she does all I want.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3070735]Yes, the lack of even basic English is a problem with many girls. On top of that, LT is relatively expensive, usually 5 to 7 times ST price.[/QUOTE]

Where did you pick them from?

Any bar fines?

Hello captain, long time indeed. They are seeking girls, I have a pool of about 25-30 selected girls and about 8-10 tried and tested ones. Usually pay max 3 mn for an outstanding girl, and 2 mn for a nice girl, I prefer super subs with amazing service. The last girl I had for an away trip she was a 7 in looks, 9 in body and 10 in service. And she asked the same for Jakarta as well. That's what I pay and like, she can be average in looks I don't mind that at all as long as she delivers in room with a smile. SL.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;3070847]Where did you pick them from?

Any bar fines?[/QUOTE]

For a bit of context, I'm an Indian-American in my low 50's. I stay athletic, take care of my health, and I'd like to think I'm reasonably okay-looking.

It's been a long time since I've been around this forum. I wanted to come back and share a story that's currently unfolding in my life mostly because I think it's pretty unique and might drop a few jaws. I wouldn't call this my first rodeo, as I've had a few experiences like this before, but this one is definitely pushing the envelope. We are right in the thick of it as we speak. Read on.

Back in October 2025, I met a girl from Jakarta on [URL]Seeking.com[/URL]. I was staying in Bali at the time, so I flew her out to join me for a week. She initially asked for 18 million IDR, but I ended up paying her 36 million. I know, I know-Im a spoiler. I fully expect to take some heat from the forum for that (and for a few other things I did later). She was honestly the cutest thing I had ever seen. The catch was that she didn't speak any English, so we had to rely entirely on a translator app. That made deep, analytical, or psychological conversations impossible, so things stayed on the surfacewhich was actually fine for what it was. But if I'm being completely honest with myself and with you guys, I caught real feelings for her. She was just incredibly adorable and fun to be around. For me, just cuddling and being close felt amazing, even when it wasn't about sex.

After Bali, I headed back to the US, and we started chatting on WhatsApp almost every day. Call it a man's pride, but I wanted her exclusively. I liked the idea of having her as a remote girlfriend. So, we made a deal: I started sending her 45 million IDR a month. The goal was to fully cover her living expenses so she wouldn't feel the need to meet up with random guys for money. She didn't have a regular job or a steady salary, so this allowance was her entire income. From what I understand, 45 million a month goes a long way in Jakarta.

However, between January and February while I was back in the States, I started noticing some vague red flags. It seemed like she was still going out to nightclubs, staying out until the morning or afternoon, and likely meeting up with guys at malls for lunch or seeing past regulars behind my back. Whenever I brought it up, she would turn it back on me, saying I was just being accusatory and demanding proof. I didn't have hard evidence, but my gut was absolutely certain. So, we called it quits around the end of February.

Two weeks later, she came back to me. She promised she would completely change her life, stop going to clubs, stop seeing other people, and avoid doing anything that made me uncomfortable. She seemed genuinely eager to move her life in a positive, meaningful direction. Wanting to support that, I restarted the monthly allowance and also enrolled her in a professional skills program in Jakarta that cost (4-6)*10s of millions so she could eventually open a franchise with a few staff members. I won't list every single expense here, or I'll look even crazier than I already do! After that, she really did seem to change. As far as I know, the nightclubbing and seeing other guys completely stopped.

Fast forward to May and June: I made my way back to Jakarta and Bali for about 3 to 4 weeks. In fact, I'm writing this from the plane heading back to the US right now. She stayed with me the entire time, and we truly loved it. Of course, we had our occasional fights, but we always reconciled. While I was there, her birthday came up, and she suggested a car as a gift, arguing that taking a Gojek or Grab late at night isn't safe for a girl in Jakarta. After a lot of thinking, I decided to go for it. I paid an 85% down payment right at the dealership via Wise for a used car, and she would cover the remaining 15% in monthly payments. Yeah. A total jaw-dropper, right? But I did it. I can afford it, so I just went to the dealer and thought, "Whatever, if we break up next week, so be it. I'll just write off the loss and move on. ".

We had an amazing time, and I truly believe we bonded on a much deeper level. Believe it or not, she even introduced me to her family (her siblings), and we went out for lunch and dinner a few times. They were incredibly decent people.

But now that I'm on the plane home, reality is hitting me. I feel like I'm carrying this way too far, and I don't really know what my end game is. Part of me feels like I should just keep the momentum going. But the thought of breaking up and cutting off the financial support is deeply disturbing to me, because I know she would likely have to go back to her old way of living.

I know exactly what most of you are going to say, and what you would actually do if you were in my shoes. But right now, for lack of a better phrase, I just can't see the light at the end of the tunnel. It's a pretty precarious situation to be in. I would really appreciate hearing some different viewpoints and perspectives from the forum to help me figure out my next move for a win-win resolve.

[QUOTE=MachchiBaba;3071247]For a bit of context, I'm an Indian-American in my low 50's. I stay athletic, take care of my health, and I'd like to think I'm reasonably okay-looking.

It's been a long time since I've been around this forum. I wanted to come back and share a story that's currently unfolding in my life mostly because I think it's pretty unique and might drop a few jaws. I wouldn't call this my first rodeo, as I've had a few experiences like this before, but this one is definitely pushing the envelope. We are right in the thick of it as we speak. Read on.

Back in October 2025, I met a girl from Jakarta on [URL]Seeking.com[/URL]. I was staying in Bali at the time, so I flew her out to join me for a week. She initially asked for 18 million IDR, but I ended up paying her 36 million. I know, I know-Im a spoiler. I fully expect to take some heat from the forum for that (and for a few other things I did later). She was honestly the cutest thing I had ever seen. The catch was that she didn't speak any English, so we had to rely entirely on a translator app. That made deep, analytical, or psychological conversations impossible, so things stayed on the surfacewhich was actually fine for what it was. But if I'm being completely honest with myself and with you guys, I caught real feelings for her. She was just incredibly adorable and fun to be around. For me, just cuddling and being close felt amazing, even when it wasn't about sex.

After Bali, I headed back to the US, and we started chatting on WhatsApp almost every day. Call it a man's pride, but I wanted her exclusively. I liked the idea of having her as a remote girlfriend. So, we made a deal: I started sending her 45 million IDR a month. The goal was to fully cover her living expenses so she wouldn't feel the need to meet up with random guys for money. She didn't have a regular job or a steady salary, so this allowance was her entire income. From what I understand, 45 million a month goes a long way in Jakarta.

However, between January and February while I was back in the States, I started noticing some vague red flags. It seemed like she was still going out to nightclubs, staying out until the morning or afternoon, and likely meeting up with guys at malls for lunch or seeing past regulars behind my back. Whenever I brought it up, she would turn it back on me, saying I was just being accusatory and demanding proof. I didn't have hard evidence, but my gut was absolutely certain. So, we called it quits around the end of February.

Two weeks later, she came back to me. She promised she would completely change her life, stop going to clubs, stop seeing other people, and avoid doing anything that made me uncomfortable. She seemed genuinely eager to move her life in a positive, meaningful direction. Wanting to support that, I restarted the monthly allowance and also enrolled her in a professional skills program in Jakarta that cost (4-6)*10s of millions so she could eventually open a franchise with a few staff members. I won't list every single expense here, or I'll look even crazier than I already do! After that, she really did seem to change. As far as I know, the nightclubbing and seeing other guys completely stopped.

Fast forward to May and June: I made my way back to Jakarta and Bali for about 3 to 4 weeks. In fact, I'm writing this from the plane heading back to the US right now. She stayed with me the entire time, and we truly loved it. Of course, we had our occasional fights, but we always reconciled. While I was there, her birthday came up, and she suggested a car as a gift, arguing that taking a Gojek or Grab late at night isn't safe for a girl in Jakarta. After a lot of thinking, I decided to go for it. I paid an 85% down payment right at the dealership via Wise for a used car, and she would cover the remaining 15% in monthly payments. Yeah. A total jaw-dropper, right? But I did it. I can afford it, so I just went to the dealer and thought, "Whatever, if we break up next week, so be it. I'll just write off the loss and move on. ".

We had an amazing time, and I truly believe we bonded on a much deeper level. Believe it or not, she even introduced me to her family (her siblings), and we went out for lunch and dinner a few times. They were incredibly decent people.

But now that I'm on the plane home, reality is hitting me. I feel like I'm carrying this way too far, and I don't really know what my end game is. Part of me feels like I should just keep the momentum going. But the thought of breaking up and cutting off the financial support is deeply disturbing to me, because I know she would likely have to go back to her old way of living.

I know exactly what most of you are going to say, and what you would actually do if you were in my shoes. But right now, for lack of a better phrase, I just can't see the light at the end of the tunnel. It's a pretty precarious situation to be in. I would really appreciate hearing some different viewpoints and perspectives from the forum to help me figure out my next move for a win-win resolve.[/QUOTE]You already have all the answers. What I may suggest so that you get the point even clearer that she's not the only girl around and also she's not the type of girl for any commitment in the first place is to book a trip to another country like Thailand or if you want a closer destination from US, Brazil or Colombia and just have a ton of fun with other girls from these different countries. Trust me you will soon realize that you can have so much fun not committed to anyone nor any place. Good luck.

[QUOTE=MachchiBaba;3071247]

But now that I'm on the plane home, reality is hitting me. I feel like I'm carrying this way too far, and I don't really know what my end game is. Part of me feels like I should just keep the momentum going. But the thought of breaking up and cutting off the financial support is deeply disturbing to me, because I know she would likely have to go back to her old way of living.

I know exactly what most of you are going to say, and what you would actually do if you were in my shoes. But right now, for lack of a better phrase, I just can't see the light at the end of the tunnel. It's a pretty precarious situation to be in. I would really appreciate hearing some different viewpoints and perspectives from the forum to help me figure out my next move for a win-win resolve.[/QUOTE]Its your money so if you had a good time and it's not an excessive drain in your finances, then no harm no foul. Its good to read that you enjoyed your escapades.

We both know that its all a big game. There was no exclusivity, school fees or 15% residual on the car. They were just ploys to get more money from you. From her side, it worked and from your side, you were happy to support her. A fair trade.

The future and ending?? The same as the thousands of other similar stories. Continue to send her an ever increasing "allowance" or "support" in exchange for the warm and fuzzy feelings. When she gets too greedy or the numbers get too big, that's when it dawns on you what's happening and you move on disappointed but with good memories.

The logical me would say that she's probably doing this to six other guys, that you should just rip the band-aid off and walk away. However, if you're getting something in return and it's still value for money, then just keep enjoying it.

Of course, another option is to save the money you would have drip fed her and put it into a war chest for your next trip. Do the math: 40 jt per month for say six months plus some gifts, rent etc along the way is 300 jt. Imagine her / other girls' reaction if you arrived prepared to spend that over a couple of weeks. 😳.

Enjoy. G.

Hello.

I just reply because you ask for an opinion. Me too I have had a Chinese girl in Bangkok that just fall in love to me. We too.

Never speak the same language. Another ones in Angels, at least we can speak English both. In both case I pass trough.

There are no reason, logical or illogical, they want me and just me. Specially the ones we cannot speak decently.

Moreover it is really ridicoluous to avoid Grab in Jakarta, and buy a car for safe in the night (But where she have to go in the night?)

I never think, and it will not be nice, that a young girl with 45 million IDR a month in Jakarta (crazy amount!) cannot go to club ith friends and guys, also very often. What she have to do?

I am really sorry when some girl can play with us like this. I really never know how can you be sure that now she stop having fun with guys and friends, and why you want this. You cannot pay someones to stay in prison, specially if you.

Give her a car and 45 million IDR every month (absolutely crazy in Jakarta!).

Think about. I will be in Jakarta in three weeks, ready to pay for my fun right local amount. No pay forever when I live and she will have her free life (for sure).


[QUOTE=MachchiBaba;3071247]For a bit of context, I'm an Indian-American in my low 50's. I stay athletic, take care of my health, and I'd like to think I'm reasonably okay-looking.

It's been a long time since I've been around this forum. I wanted to come back and share a story that's currently unfolding in my life mostly because I think it's pretty unique and might drop a few jaws. I wouldn't call this my first rodeo, as I've had a few experiences like this before, but this one is definitely pushing the envelope. We are right in the thick of it as we speak. Read on.

Back in October 2025, I met a girl from Jakarta on [URL]Seeking.com[/URL]. I was staying in Bali at the time, so I flew her out to join me for a week. She initially asked for 18 million IDR, but I ended up paying her 36 million. I know, I know-Im a spoiler. I fully expect to take some heat from the forum for that (and for a few other things I did later). She was honestly the cutest thing I had ever seen. The catch was that she didn't speak any English, so we had to rely entirely on a translator app. That made deep, analytical, or psychological conversations impossible, so things stayed on the surfacewhich was actually fine for what it was. But if I'm being completely honest with myself and with you guys, I caught real feelings for her. She was just incredibly adorable and fun to be around. For me, just cuddling and being close felt amazing, even when it wasn't about sex.

After Bali, I headed back to the US, and we started chatting on WhatsApp almost every day. Call it a man's pride, but I wanted her exclusively. I liked the idea of having her as a remote girlfriend. So, we made a deal: I started sending her 45 million IDR a month. The goal was to fully cover her living expenses so she wouldn't feel the need to meet up with random guys for money. She didn't have a regular job or a steady salary, so this allowance was her entire income. From what I understand, 45 million a month goes a long way in Jakarta.

However, between January and February while I was back in the States, I started noticing some vague red flags. It seemed like she was still going out to nightclubs, staying out until the morning or afternoon, and likely meeting up with guys at malls for lunch or seeing past regulars behind my back. Whenever I brought it up, she would turn it back on me, saying I was just being accusatory and demanding proof. I didn't have hard evidence, but my gut was absolutely certain. So, we called it quits around the end of February.

Two weeks later, she came back to me. She promised she would completely change her life, stop going to clubs, stop seeing other people, and avoid doing anything that made me uncomfortable. She seemed genuinely eager to move her life in a positive, meaningful direction. Wanting to support that, I restarted the monthly allowance and also enrolled her in a professional skills program in Jakarta that cost (4-6)*10s of millions so she could eventually open a franchise with a few staff members. I won't list every single expense here, or I'll look even crazier than I already do! After that, she really did seem to change. As far as I know, the nightclubbing and seeing other guys completely stopped.

Fast forward to May and June: I made my way back to Jakarta and Bali for about 3 to 4 weeks. In fact, I'm writing this from the plane heading back to the US right now. She stayed with me the entire time, and we truly loved it. Of course, we had our occasional fights, but we always reconciled. While I was there, her birthday came up, and she suggested a car as a gift, arguing that taking a Gojek or Grab late at night isn't safe for a girl in Jakarta. After a lot of thinking, I decided to go for it. I paid an 85% down payment right at the dealership via Wise for a used car, and she would cover the remaining 15% in monthly payments. Yeah. A total jaw-dropper, right? But I did it. I can afford it, so I just went to the dealer and thought, "Whatever, if we break up next week, so be it. I'll just write off the loss and move on. ".

We had an amazing time, and I truly believe we bonded on a much deeper level. Believe it or not, she even introduced me to her family (her siblings), and we went out for lunch and dinner a few times. They were incredibly decent people.

But now that I'm on the plane home, reality is hitting me. I feel like I'm carrying this way too far, and I don't really know what my end game is. Part of me feels like I should just keep the momentum going. But the thought of breaking up and cutting off the financial support is deeply disturbing to me, because I know she would likely have to go back to her old way of living.

I know exactly what most of you are going to say, and what you would actually do if you were in my shoes. But right now, for lack of a better phrase, I just can't see the light at the end of the tunnel. It's a pretty precarious situation to be in. I would really appreciate hearing some different viewpoints and perspectives from the forum to help me figure out my next move for a win-win resolve.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MachchiBaba;3071247]But the thought of breaking up and cutting off the financial support is deeply disturbing to me, because I know she would likely have to go back to her old way of living.
[/QUOTE]She never left her old way of living. She never will, not permanently. It's too easy for her.

You already know this.

I think you are chasing an emotional connection and not just pussy. Deep down you also know this babe will do what she wants when she wants and where she wants. You're getting played and falling for it, move on. This can hurt you badly, very badly.

[QUOTE=MachchiBaba;3071247]For a bit of context, I'm an Indian-American in my low 50's. I stay athletic, take care of my health, and I'd like to think I'm reasonably okay-looking.

It's been a long time since I've been around this forum. I wanted to come back and share a story that's currently unfolding in my life mostly because I think it's pretty unique and might drop a few jaws. I wouldn't call this my first rodeo, as I've had a few experiences like this before, but this one is definitely pushing the envelope. We are right in the thick of it as we speak. Read on.

Back in October 2025, I met a girl from Jakarta on [URL]Seeking.com[/URL]. I was staying in Bali at the time, so I flew her out to join me for a week. She initially asked for 18 million IDR, but I ended up paying her 36 million. I know, I know-Im a spoiler. I fully expect to take some heat from the forum for that (and for a few other things I did later). She was honestly the cutest thing I had ever seen. The catch was that she didn't speak any English, so we had to rely entirely on a translator app. That made deep, analytical, or psychological conversations impossible, so things stayed on the surfacewhich was actually fine for what it was. But if I'm being completely honest with myself and with you guys, I caught real feelings for her. She was just incredibly adorable and fun to be around. For me, just cuddling and being close felt amazing, even when it wasn't about sex.

After Bali, I headed back to the US, and we started chatting on WhatsApp almost every day. Call it a man's pride, but I wanted her exclusively..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MachchiBaba;3071247]

Fast forward to May and June: I made my way back to Jakarta and Bali for about 3 to 4 weeks. In fact, I'm writing this from the plane heading back to the US right now. She stayed with me the entire time, and we truly loved it. Of course, we had our occasional fights, but we always reconciled. While I was there, her birthday came up, and she suggested a car as a gift, arguing that taking a Gojek or Grab late at night isn't safe for a girl in Jakarta. After a lot of thinking, I decided to go for it. I paid an 85% down payment right at the dealership via Wise for a used car, and she would cover the remaining 15% in monthly payments. Yeah. A total jaw-dropper, right? But I did it. I can afford it, so I just went to the dealer and thought, "Whatever, if we break up next week, so be it. I'll just write off the loss and move on. ".

[/QUOTE]As others have said, your money. And as you said, you can afford it.

My money is on that car 100% getting repossessed because she "forgot" to make the payment, spent it on her local boyfriend, family, etc. Or she'll just flip it for cash.

Good luck. Seems like you are a kind, generous dude, looking for love in the wrong place and getting taking advantage of though.

[QUOTE=NoGermaphobe;3071319]As others have said, your money. And as you said, you can afford it.

My money is on that car 100% getting repossessed because she "forgot" to make the payment, spent it on her local boyfriend, family, etc. Or she'll just flip it for cash.

Good luck. Seems like you are a kind, generous dude, looking for love in the wrong place and getting taking advantage of though.[/QUOTE]My money is on the 85% deposit being 150% of the true price of the car, the dealer got 10% for a sheet of paper resembling a sales receipt and the rest went into her pocket.

What car? It never left the lot. 😜

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3071332]My money is on the 85% deposit being 150% of the true price of the car, the dealer got 10% for a sheet of paper resembling a sales receipt and the rest went into her pocket.

What car? It never left the lot. 😜

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]How could the car leave the lot? I'm pretty sure the girl doesn't have a drivers license.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3071365]How could the car leave the lot? I'm pretty sure the girl doesn't have a drivers license.[/QUOTE]True. Tune in next month: "Daddy, I need 10 jt for driving lessons" for an imaginary licence to drive an imaginary car.

It never stops. I once knew a guy who literally bought a girl a house and the week after papers were signed she complained that it was too far from school so she now needed a motorbike too. True story. 🤦

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3071385]True. Tune in next month: "Daddy, I need 10 jt for driving lessons" for an imaginary licence to drive an imaginary car.

It never stops. I once knew a guy who literally bought a girl a house and the week after papers were signed she complained that it was too far from school so she now needed a motorbike too. True story. 🤦

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]What if she needs to pay for driver (aka boyfriend) salary to drive car.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3071385]True. Tune in next month: "Daddy, I need 10 jt for driving lessons" for an imaginary licence to drive an imaginary car.

It never stops. I once knew a guy who literally bought a girl a house and the week after papers were signed she complained that it was too far from school so she now needed a motorbike too. True story. 🤦

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the suggestions, everyone! I think I'm going to phase things out slowly in a planned, agreed-upon, and sustainable way. Like I said, I've always treated her as a friend and I still care about her, so I don't want to just “rip the band-aid off”. My plan is to continue supporting her with the same allowance for another month, and after that, I'll pay her monthly car payment directly to the bank for a year to pay it off, which is minuscule by comparison.

By the way, her driver's license was printed in just 10 minutes at the SIM office the very same day! I just had to pay a little extra under the table. Go figure. She really is a good driver, she drove me around while I was in JKT.

[QUOTE=MachchiBaba;3071418]Thanks for the suggestions, everyone! I think I'm going to phase things out slowly in a planned, agreed-upon, and sustainable way. Like I said, I've always treated her as a friend and I still care about her, so I don't want to just rip the band-aid off. My plan is to continue supporting her with the same allowance for another month, and after that, I'll pay her monthly car payment directly to the bank for a year to pay it off, which is minuscule by comparison.

By the way, her driver's license was printed in just 10 minutes at the SIM office the very same day! I just had to pay a little extra under the table. Go figure. She really is a good driver, she drove me around while I was in JKT.[/QUOTE]I can't say I come from a wealth of experience in this matter, but here is my take.

I picked up from Classics and in essence spent 9 days with SB "A" for 33 million IDR. No English, so it was all translation apps like you. SB "A" has another SD from Hong Kong that pays her 50 million IDR and visits her 1-2 weekends per a month. That guy doesn't even get BBFS from her, but he pays monthly because she is a cute young sweet thing with a 10 body and he must get something emotional out of it. She uses his money to live in an apartment alone so they have a place together when he visits her and so she doesn't have to live at the Classics dorm. I don't know if that SD requested her to be exclusive, as she still works at Classics (fucking 5-6 guys per night), and she was all too happy too take my money, travel and spend time with me, and let me fuck her brains out 1-2 times per day. According to her, she doesn't even like her SD from HK, as she complains that he demands sex 4-5 times per day and he keeps bringing up moving her to HK, marriage and having kids with her. I'm pretty sure she is going to string him along as long as she possible because she is just trying to make as much money as possible for herself and her family back home.

I spent 33 million IDR for 9 days with SB "J", a college student I found on Seeking, also with no English. It was the best GFE and sex I've ever had IRL or in the hobby as she was wild in bed and she basically demanded I have BBFS with her 4-5 times per day as opposed to the other way around. She was wonderful, adorable, sweet, fun, had a perfect 10 body and I very much fell in love with my time with her and bonded with her, so I can understand how you fell for your cute Seeking girl. We still WhatsApps regularly, but less than a month after leaving her in Jakarta, she pointed out she had a toothache, explained it was her wisdom teeth and needed money to have her wisdom teeth surgically removed. I said "No", explaining I live too far away to provide regular support. This "No" has not yet killed the relationship as she still wants me to take her to Tokyo and Disneyland Japan, which I'm considering for a reduced gift and BBFS 4-5 times per day.

[QUOTE=MachchiBaba;3071418]Thanks for the suggestions, everyone! I think I'm going to phase things out slowly in a planned, agreed-upon, and sustainable way. Like I said, I've always treated her as a friend and I still care about her, so I don't want to just rip the band-aid off. My plan is to continue supporting her with the same allowance for another month, and after that, I'll pay her monthly car payment directly to the bank for a year to pay it off, which is minuscule by comparison.

By the way, her driver's license was printed in just 10 minutes at the SIM office the very same day! I just had to pay a little extra under the table. Go figure. She really is a good driver, she drove me around while I was in JKT.[/QUOTE]Personally I don't think you even have to do all this. She's made enough money off you in my opinion. You really have to get it straight into your head. If you want a relationship, you do this with girls who have some sort of normal jobs and regular life. If you want to just monger and have fun, you MUST go in with zero emotion (but can still have respect and fun) and do the girls you meet at the regular mongering venues. Do NOT mix the two as these are totally SEPARATE worlds, even within the same country. If you choose to monger, feel free to splurge but only when you are there in person. After you go to the airport for your flight back home, you turn it off until your next trip. Get the fracking balls to do this! You don't owe these girls anything and it's not up to you to 'save' them. If you treated them with respect while you were there, then you already did more than many guys who go there and treat them like trash. So by the end of your trip, you owe them NOTHING. Stop being a white knight trying to save a girl.

Again, if it's a real relationship you want, that's okay. Just go to the normal dating world and don't expect them to get intimate with you until the relationship starts building. Go through normal even foreign dating channels where you can meet regular girls. And even if this sounds harsh. Get off ISG. This is not the place for guys who just want relationships. This is a place for mongerers and we follow the golden rule of never falling in love with a working girl, even a part time one, in the sex industry.

Make your decision and save your money for your next mongering trip OR for a trip to meet a real future girlfriend or wive. They will be different types of trips.

[QUOTE=MachchiBaba;3071247]While I was there, her birthday came up, and she suggested a car as a gift, arguing that taking a Gojek or Grab late at night isn't safe for a girl in Jakarta. [/QUOTE]Indeed. Notwithstanding that, as Safado70 pointed out, one could wonder where she is going late at night in Jakarta, taking grab can indeed be dangerous for a pretty girl in Jakarta.

In truth, the whole car / bike mode of transportation is inherently dangerous because there are so many idiots on the road (i.e. , everyone but me). I suspect it was only her loving modesty that prevented her from suggesting a helicopter as a suitable birthday gift, settling instead for the more modest option of "car", to use for her nightly visits to the closest mosque, where she is no doubt praying for your imminent return.

Who can not love a girl who suggests you gift her a car? Class all the way.

Sorry dude, but: WTF. This amour is so one-sided you need somebody to slap some sense in you with a large trout.
Send those rupiahs to me instead. At least I will include you in my monthly prayers and generously distribute your money amongst the Classic girls. No longer will I need to limit myself to the two-girl package. With your support, every session will be me and the four best looking girls available at the moment.

[QUOTE=MachchiBaba;3071247]

While I was there, her birthday came up, and she suggested a car as a gift, arguing that taking a Gojek or Grab late at night isn't safe for a girl in Jakarta. After a lot of thinking, I decided to go for it. I paid an 85% down payment right at the dealership via Wise for a used car, and she would cover the remaining 15% in monthly payments. Yeah. A total jaw-dropper, right? But I did it. I can afford it, so I just went to the dealer and thought, "Whatever, if we break up next week, so be it. I'll just write off the loss and move on. ".

[/QUOTE]So I had a regular non-P4 P "friend with benefits" that I knew since she was a Uni student. Used to send her the odd bit off money for her birthday and Christmas (love how muslim's celebrate that) and took her all over Asia with me. I'm sure I was one of many "friends", I knew she had a Bule boyfriend whom she finally married, but also had enough suspicion that there were other guys like me floating around. She is now a very successful business woman, I would still catch up with her on the odd occasion but finally stopped meeting, although still chatting. I stopped sending her any money when she started buying houses and other fancy things, which gives you an idea of how her business has gone.

A couple of years ago, just before her birthday, she sent me a picture of a convertible Mercedes SLK200, asking me to buy it for her, not exactly a cheap car in Indo. When her birthday came around I sent her a picture of a similar car with a Leprechaun in it holding a bunch of roses. Thank-you chat GPT. She laughed it off but still continued to see me. These girls will try anything, no matter how much or how little money they have. Her sister wanted a car and her then Bule boyfriend sent her a chunk of money to pay for the down payment. I know that's not you as you are the wrong race and a few years ago. They broke up and the Bule asked for his money back, you can guess how that went.

It is something that these girls expect. I just ignore. Family tragedy will be the next issue. Daddy or mummy has cancer and needs treatment, please help.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3071428]Personally I don't think you even have to do all this. She's made enough money off you in my opinion. You really have to get it straight into your head. If you want a relationship, you do this with girls who have some sort of normal jobs and regular life. If you want to just monger and have fun, you MUST go in with zero emotion (but can still have respect and fun) and do the girls you meet at the regular mongering venues. Do NOT mix the two as these are totally SEPARATE worlds, even within the same country. If you choose to monger, feel free to splurge but only when you are there in person. After you go to the airport for your flight back home, you turn it off until your next trip. Get the fracking balls to do this! You don't owe these girls anything and it's not up to you to 'save' them. If you treated them with respect while you were there, then you already did more than many guys who go there and treat them like trash. So by the end of your trip, you owe them NOTHING. Stop being a white knight trying to save a girl.

Again, if it's a real relationship you want, that's okay. Just go to the normal dating world and don't expect them to get intimate with you until the relationship starts building. Go through normal even foreign dating channels where you can meet regular girls. And even if this sounds harsh. Get off ISG. This is not the place for guys who just want relationships. This is a place for mongerers and we follow the golden rule of never falling in love with a working girl, even a part time one, in the sex industry.

Make your decision and save your money for your next mongering trip OR for a trip to meet a real future girlfriend or wive. They will be different types of trips.[/QUOTE]Sugar Babies can make great girl friends. The secret is to not be the Daddy. Be the Side Dick who is banging her for a pittance while Daddy is paying the rent, the phone, the allowance etc. The only downside is the need to lay low once or twice a year. No biggie.

For every guy sending monthly cash to secure exclusivity, there is a LDR girlfriend receiving it with thanks and going off to bang someone in town here and now.

Enjoy. G.

A remarkable story that one. That girl really hit paydirt.

Some of the maxim's spring to mind. Like you are not paying them for sex, you are paying them to go away afterwards.

OS has an Indonesian wife of 10 years standing and that is about how much he gives her every month to run her own family, a car, educate her son, look after her elderly mother, and contribute to the conga line of local community initiatives that turn up regularly with proposals from repairing the irrigation drain to rebuilding the mosque. And it's never enough. The more you give out to family and community, the more they hope for.

Personally OS would be suggesting that in return for the car, that he would like to be sliding his big thing into her pooper and if she truly loved him (and all that money); she should would do it.

LOL, this is goes to show, having money just makes you a bigger simp.

Her: buy me a car.

Him: yes sir, right away sir.

LOL.

I usually go to Classic & Emporium but this time wanted to try something different but still did visit Classic & Emporium.

This time King Cross was the best of all. When I was there several Indians were around and the girls were very welcoming towards Indians, this was between 8-10 pm didn't see much of us in the 3rd floor after 10 pm, there were few of use. Their rate card is like 500 k, 750 k, 1.1 Mil and 1.5 Mil. The 1.5 Mil are called models and they are limited if you go early. First day visited around 9 PM, there were around 50+ girls in different categories, The third floor only opens after 10 PM.

The first day took a model girl, tall and pretty. At room shower, B2B massage, BBBJ and then the deed.

The other days tried all the other categories, pretty much the same experience except the B2B massage.

After 10 pm on the third floor you have the Vietnamese and the show girls almost who were almost nude, prices were 2.2 M to 4 M.

One thing I noticed in King Cross was most girls showed interest towards the Indian crowd, They were more enthusiastic to be picked up and I felt very welcome compared to other places.

Emporium has changed a bit, last year during several visits the girl count was max of 20-25 but this time when I went around 7 pm there was over 50+ girls and they seemed prettier as well mostly 7-8 's.

Classic is the same as usual almost all mamasans identifies me and get the meat I like but unlike other trips very less girls at 4 pm and got crowded only after 6-7 PM.

Went to Pablo's cave and resto, tried packet see, the nuru package, they don't have a gel like Thailand but they mix a powder in water which is like 50% of the nuru gel like in Bangkok. It was good for Jakarta standards.

Tried the same in Groovy same experience, BM (Back Massage), Then Nuru, Get washed Jacuzzi, then HJ, BJ and FJ. Girls in groovy seemed prettier than Pablo 's.

Will be back maybe next year, ticket prices have shot up from 200 USD to now crossing over 450 USD. Hope the fuel crisis gets over soon and tickets prices come back to normal.

[QUOTE=Metso;3072212]I usually go to Classic & Emporium but this time wanted to try something different but still did visit Classic & Emporium.

This time King Cross was the best of all. When I was there several Indians were around and the girls were very welcoming towards Indians, this was between 8-10 pm didn't see much of us in the 3rd floor after 10 pm, there were few of use. Their rate card is like 500 k, 750 k, 1.1 Mil and 1.5 Mil. The 1.5 Mil are called models and they are limited if you go early. First day visited around 9 PM, there were around 50+ girls in different categories, The third floor only opens after 10 PM.

The first day took a model girl, tall and pretty. At room shower, B2B massage, BBBJ and then the deed.

The other days tried all the other categories, pretty much the same experience except the B2B massage.

After 10 pm on the third floor you have the Vietnamese and the show girls almost who were almost nude, prices were 2.2 M to 4 M.

One thing I noticed in King Cross was most girls showed interest towards the Indian crowd, They were more enthusiastic to be picked up and I felt very welcome compared to other places.

Emporium has changed a bit, last year during several visits the girl count was max of 20-25 but this time when I went around 7 pm there was over 50+ girls and they seemed prettier as well mostly 7-8 's.

Classic is the same as usual almost all mamasans identifies me and get the meat I like but unlike other trips very less girls at 4 pm and got crowded only after 6-7 PM.

Went to Pablo's cave and resto, tried packet see, the nuru package, they don't have a gel like Thailand but they mix a powder in water which is like 50% of the nuru gel like in Bangkok. It was good for Jakarta standards.

Tried the same in Groovy same experience, BM (Back Massage), Then Nuru, Get washed Jacuzzi, then HJ, BJ and FJ. Girls in groovy seemed prettier than Pablo 's.

Will be back maybe next year, ticket prices have shot up from 200 USD to now crossing over 450 USD. Hope the fuel crisis gets over soon and tickets prices come back to normal.[/QUOTE]Great report, what day did you go to emporium though? Usually Fridays and Saturdays have more attendance, also their evening shift have half of the girls compared to the afternoon. Night shift.

Would love to try the Nuru experience but I have been disappointed with a few shops that advertise "nuru" only for it to be a subpar experience, was this a proper Nuru though? Like body to body or was it just a girl using their hands?

[QUOTE=Jimmyzhu;3072379]Great report, what day did you go to emporium though? Usually Fridays and Saturdays have more attendance, also their evening shift have half of the girls compared to the afternoon. Night shift.
[/QUOTE]I don't understand that last part. Do you think there are 3 shifts?

[QUOTE=Metso;3072212]The other days tried all the other categories, pretty much the same experience except the B2B massage.[/QUOTE]This is key observation = if removing the B2 B element, the experience of the sex itself is the same no matter which price range, ie. , a decent looking girl at the lowest price range is going result in similar experience as the ones at the more expensive ranges. I interpret this as might as well save your money and just go for the low ranges.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3072393]This is key observation = if removing the B2 B element, the experience of the sex itself is the same no matter which price range, ie. , a decent looking girl at the lowest price range is going result in similar experience as the ones at the more expensive ranges. I interpret this as might as well save your money and just go for the low ranges.[/QUOTE]Wise man!

Yesterday you fucked a 300 k girl. Today you went to one of those fancy spas and spend 3 Mio Juta. Next morning ask yourself: was the feeling 10 times better? Certainly not.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3072380]I don't understand that last part. Do you think there are 3 shifts?[/QUOTE]Sorry a mistype, should be 2 shifts:

Afternoon shift from 2 pm to 5 pm.

And then Evening to Night shift from 5PM to 1 AM (Or 12AM midnight closing time if its a Sunday/Monday or Tuesday)

Also the Pool closes 1 hour before closing time.
So if closing time is at 1AM, then the pool closes at 12 midnight. You have to arrive at 11:30 if you want to spend the designated 30mins with the girl at the pool - Realistically, arrive at 11:00 because you need to change clothes, choose a girl, and wait around for the girl to get ready.

Arriving CGK at 1 am and staying at Classic Hotel. What are the transportation options for a newbie at that late hour?

[QUOTE=Psriches;3072501]Arriving CGK at 1 am and staying at Classic Hotel. What are the transportation options for a newbie at that late hour?[/QUOTE]Grab, Gojek, airport taxi (recommend Blue Bird). These options are not just for newbies. Grab has improved its operation with better marked pickup points. AR.

[QUOTE=Jimmyzhu;3072379]Great report, what day did you go to emporium though? Usually Fridays and Saturdays have more attendance, also their evening shift have half of the girls compared to the afternoon. Night shift.

Would love to try the Nuru experience but I have been disappointed with a few shops that advertise "nuru" only for it to be a subpar experience, was this a proper Nuru though? Like body to body or was it just a girl using their hands?[/QUOTE]It was a decent enough nuru, girl used body not just hands. Can't compare it to doki doki in Thailand but something compared to the one near the nana metro forgot its name but it was pre-pandemic.

Also unlike Thailand their nuru gel comes from a powder called Black Pink which comes in a sachet. They mix it with water to create the gel. This gel as well is not like the ones in Thailand but gives around 75% slipperyness compared to Thailand. For 1 million IDR its worth a try.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3072393]This is key observation = if removing the B2 B element, the experience of the sex itself is the same no matter which price range, ie. , a decent looking girl at the lowest price range is going result in similar experience as the ones at the more expensive ranges. I interpret this as might as well save your money and just go for the low ranges.[/QUOTE]The difference between the lower cost and the higher cost what I saw was. Girls were taller with and decently healthier (not skinny). The lower cost ones were shorter, skinny and some had their belly fully covered. The mamasan told they may have baby damage that's why they are covering.

[QUOTE=Jimmyzhu;3072397]Sorry a mistype, should be 2 shifts:

Afternoon shift from 2 pm to 5 pm.

And then Evening to Night shift from 5PM to 1 AM (Or 12AM midnight closing time if its a Sunday/Monday or Tuesday)

Also the Pool closes 1 hour before closing time.
So if closing time is at 1AM, then the pool closes at 12 midnight. You have to arrive at 11:30 if you want to spend the designated 30mins with the girl at the pool - Realistically, arrive at 11:00 because you need to change clothes, choose a girl, and wait around for the girl to get ready.[/QUOTE]I went on a Tuesday. I know weekends have more number of girls but when I pinged David on Tele he mentioned there is a lot to choose from, so I went around 6 PM. Also I think the afternoon shift is from 2 pm to 8 or 10 pm.

Classic. Travel and etc. Do none these places let you get a mix drink without buying a bottle? My last trip these was the case.

[QUOTE=LoveVegas;3072696]Classic. Travel and etc. Do none these places let you get a mix drink without buying a bottle? My last trip these was the case.[/QUOTE]To my knowledge they don't do mix drinks. Beer and Sake or a bottle of liquor. But since most of us don't go there to drink it doesn't seem to matter.

[QUOTE=LoveVegas;3072696]Classic. Travel and etc. Do none these places let you get a mix drink without buying a bottle? My last trip these was the case.[/QUOTE]I recall the two times I went to Classic, I ordered only fruit juice.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;3072719]To my knowledge they don't do mix drinks. Beer and Sake or a bottle of liquor. But since most of us don't go there to drink it doesn't seem to matter.[/QUOTE]Same. Here. But like to chill. Half hour. Or so before heading to the room.

[QUOTE=Psriches;3072501]Arriving CGK at 1 am and staying at Classic Hotel. What are the transportation options for a newbie at that late hour?[/QUOTE]Good question that one, Jakarta, as the capital city of a country of 250 million people or so has an airport, rather a busy one. As you can imagine this attracts vehicles for hire, usually they will have the word "Taxi" marked on them. To avoid the scalpers use the ones called bluebird. Our esteemed colleague Mr Asian Rain has kindly presented you other options but forgot to mention Grab Feel. Where you get a female motorcycle driver and you are allowed to feel her up while she is delivering you to your destination. This will certainly get you in the mood for your trip to Classic and you should arrive at your destination harder than Chinese algebra. Unstrap your suitcase from the side of the bike and you are good to go.

As you can imagine, this service is kept a little discreet, as you exit the terminal at the airport. Ask the security chaps at the door where the Grab Feel stand is. If they pretend not to understand, just mime yourself straddling a motorbike and feeling yourself up, they will get it.

Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;3072752]Good question that one, Jakarta, as the capital city of a country of 250 million people or so has an airport, rather a busy one. As you can imagine this attracts vehicles for hire, usually they will have the word "Taxi" marked on them. To avoid the scalpers use the ones called bluebird. Our esteemed colleague Mr Asian Rain has kindly presented you other options but forgot to mention Grab Feel. Where you get a female motorcycle driver and you are allowed to feel her up while she is delivering you to your destination. This will certainly get you in the mood for your trip to Classic and you should arrive at your destination harder than Chinese algebra. Unstrap your suitcase from the side of the bike and you are good to go.

As you can imagine, this service is kept a little discreet, as you exit the terminal at the airport. Ask the security chaps at the door where the Grab Feel stand is. If they pretend not to understand, just mime yourself straddling a motorbike and feeling yourself up, they will get it.

Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Grab Feel stand? Yeah ok, I wish. But still pretty funny. LOL.

[QUOTE=Psriches;3072762]Grab Feel stand? Yeah ok, I wish. But still pretty funny. LOL.[/QUOTE]With an IQ like yours, you'll do fine in Jakarta. Maybe up the hotel offering from Classic though if you want a better experience from outside of the place.

[QUOTE=Psriches;3072501]Arriving CGK at 1 am and staying at Classic Hotel. What are the transportation options for a newbie at that late hour?[/QUOTE]MyBlueBird app and GoJek app.

Last month I paid 201 k idr from CGK T3 to Yuan Garden Hotel with MyBlueBird app.

GoJek was 230/250 k.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3070455]The moment I met that girl who told me about Kingcross has been a turning point in my trip.[/QUOTE]I need to check out King Gross and Kelapa Gadin area next time.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3070455]Kota Indah / 5 girls, 1 in MTR, 1 in Laras Ayu, 3 in Sari Ayu. All from 18 to 22 years old.

The best place if you're planning multiple visits.

Good points of that place: That's actually a small area with around 10 closed bars. I've really checked only 4 of them on a regular basis (MTR, New Royal, Sari Ayu, Laras Ayu).

Many girls are working there, most of them young, some of them good looking, and some are looking like they are really excited to meet up with a Westerner.[/QUOTE]Last month I checked out KI bars with a friend, we are both bule and first time in Jakarta. At MTR and New Royal we felt unwelcome, no mamasan came to talk to us or suggest the lineup, so walked out. Had no problem at Sary Ayu, Laras Ayu and New Mega Ayu. 420 k idr for 1 HR cash or 441 k for 1 HR credit card.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;3070455]I tried to check out Kota Indah relatively early in that trip (after 10 days maybe), but things went wrong that time. I wrote Kota Indah on gojek and chose the entrance gate as destination. [/QUOTE]I always insert "komplek kota indah" on gojek and never had a problem to reach the place.

[QUOTE=Namoi;3070238]Looking for some fun activities near CGK, not much time to go downtown so looking for something close to the airport.

Thanks in advance for any guidance.[/QUOTE]El Norte Bar and Massage is 14 km from CGK. Never been but is the most near I know.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;3072815]I need to check out King Gross and Kelapa Gadin area next time.

Last month I checked out KI bars with a friend, we are both bule and first time in Jakarta. At MTR and New Royal we felt unwelcome, no mamasan came to talk to us or suggest the lineup, so walked out. Had no problem at Sary Ayu, Laras Ayu and New Mega Ayu. 420 k idr for 1 HR cash or 441 k for 1 HR credit card.

I always insert "komplek kota indah" on gojek and never had a problem to reach the place.[/QUOTE]I always. Put starmoon bar. Takes me right there.

Hello.

If a remember well, at Classic sometimes I take wisky and cola. One glass. They put wishy in glass, and take me a can of cola to add.

[QUOTE=LoveVegas;3072696]Classic. Travel and etc. Do none these places let you get a mix drink without buying a bottle? My last trip these was the case.[/QUOTE]

The title says it all. I'm fucked. I thought this shit was pretty rare in this part of the world? I got it from a regular, on my first day of this trip. We must have had sex at least 20 times in the last two years. Nothing ever happened.

Actually, When I got gonorrhea last year from a girl at kota indah, it wasn't too bad. I quickly got my antibiotic treatment, after two days I was back having sex and one week later I dropped the condom.

But chancroid is something else. I have these ulcers on my dick. They hurt. And I have to wait for them to heal before I can start to have sex again. It's been 10 days now and no signs of healing. My trip ends in 10 days and I don't think they will heal before that. An entire mongering trip without sex. What a fuck.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3072945]The title says it all. I'm fucked. I thought this shit was pretty rare in this part of the world? I got it from a regular, on my first day of this trip. We must have had sex at least 20 times in the last two years. Nothing ever happened.

Actually, When I got gonorrhea last year from a girl at kota indah, it wasn't too bad. I quickly got my antibiotic treatment, after two days I was back having sex and one week later I dropped the condom.

But chancroid is something else. I have these ulcers on my dick. They hurt. And I have to wait for them to heal before I can start to have sex again. It's been 10 days now and no signs of healing. My trip ends in 10 days and I don't think they will heal before that. An entire mongering trip without sex. What a fuck.[/QUOTE]I feel your pain. On week 2 of a 3-week trip I had my first HSV2 breakout. Tested negative a month or two before the trip. It sucked. Week 1 I was in Phnom Penh; weeks 2-3 in Phuket. My last week sucked ass because no sex and dealing with the ulcers. It took about 2 weeks to heal up. I was taking acyclovir tabs and ointment. On week 3 I started a suppression program by taking valocyclir tabs. And suddenly one to two little fuckers were starting to appear. They were gone after four days. I went to Mexico and took my part time sugar for a 4-day trip. Banged her raw. On day 3 she complained of pussy pain. I thought I infected her. Turns out it was her urethra. Probably a UTI.

I'm continuing the valocyclir suppression program indefinitely. One gram tab a day.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3072945]The title says it all. I'm fucked. I thought this shit was pretty rare in this part of the world? I got it from a regular, on my first day of this trip. We must have had sex at least 20 times in the last two years. Nothing ever happened.

Actually, When I got gonorrhea last year from a girl at kota indah, it wasn't too bad. I quickly got my antibiotic treatment, after two days I was back having sex and one week later I dropped the condom.

But chancroid is something else. I have these ulcers on my dick. They hurt. And I have to wait for them to heal before I can start to have sex again. It's been 10 days now and no signs of healing. My trip ends in 10 days and I don't think they will heal before that. An entire mongering trip without sex. What a fuck.[/QUOTE]Holy, my condolences. Are you sure you got it with the girl from Classic? Apparently it should take 3-10 days before Symptoms start appearing so it could have been before your trip?

I guess you should also double check in with the girl that you had sex with, perhaps get yourself checked for any other STDs or HIV. Good luck on the treatment.

[QUOTE=Jimmyzhu;3072970]Holy, my condolences. Are you sure you got it with the girl from Classic? Apparently it should take 3-10 days before Symptoms start appearing so it could have been before your trip?

I guess you should also double check in with the girl that you had sex with, perhaps get yourself checked for any other STDs or HIV. Good luck on the treatment.[/QUOTE]

Thanks mate. I am sure. I only had sex with her and the ulcers appeared 3 days after sex. And the doctor I went to checked me completely. I got her the antibiotics too obviously.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3072972]I only had sex with her and the ulcers appeared 3 days after sex. And the doctor I went to checked me completely.[/QUOTE]OMG. I have been around mongering and STDs for decades, but this is honestly the first time I ever heard of "chancroid". Immediately jumped onto Google to understand what it is and how to identify it as it can closely resemble syphilis or herpes. [B]Looks debilitating AF in pics.[/B] Wish you well to make the recovery. If it hasn't responded after 10 days of antibiotics and no signs of healing, you might need to return to your doctor to get more potent antibiotics.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3072972]I got her the antibiotics too obviously.[/QUOTE]Afraid to ask, but do tell us if she continued to work the Classic Carousel even with her condition and continue to spread? Did she get ulcers as well which required her to take a break? Hopefully she is not on the carousel. AR.

I don't get the craze about Nuru massage tbh.

Classic Spa in LG / UG floor has 90 minutes massage for 400 k and 200 K for HJ (quality massage and quality HJ), if you time properly you can also go after massage to T2, get a girl for 365 K have a good sex and pay her 100 k tip.

You can do all of that in 1,100 k (that's 61 USD), I don't think you can get 90 minutes massage leading to HJ and 60 minutes of sex in this money anywhere in the world.

Enjoy mongering!

[QUOTE=Safado70;3072945]The title says it all. I'm fucked. I thought this shit was pretty rare in this part of the world? I got it from a regular, on my first day of this trip. We must have had sex at least 20 times in the last two years. Nothing ever happened.

Actually, When I got gonorrhea last year from a girl at kota indah, it wasn't too bad. I quickly got my antibiotic treatment, after two days I was back having sex and one week later I dropped the condom.

But chancroid is something else. I have these ulcers on my dick. They hurt. And I have to wait for them to heal before I can start to have sex again. It's been 10 days now and no signs of healing. My trip ends in 10 days and I don't think they will heal before that. An entire mongering trip without sex. What a fuck.[/QUOTE]Actually, if you do a lot of bareback with hookers in this part of the world, it is rare for your dick to escape unscathed. Seems like you will have to spend the rest of your trip getting treatment for those horrible painful ulcers on your dick.

[QUOTE=Duolingy;3072977]I don't get the craze about Nuru massage tbh.

Classic Spa in LG / UG floor has 90 minutes massage for 400 k and 200 K for HJ (quality massage and quality HJ), if you time properly you can also go after massage to T2, get a girl for 365 K have a good sex and pay her 100 k tip.

You can do all of that in 1,100 k (that's 61 USD), I don't think you can get 90 minutes massage leading to HJ and 60 minutes of sex in this money anywhere in the world.

Enjoy mongering![/QUOTE]I've had both soapy and nuru massages in Thailand and they are great! In normal standard sessions with girls you just barfine at clubs or do in brothels and if they offer to do any massage for you, these massages usually suck and you very quickly get the feeling that it's just better to get along with the sex. But the real soapy and nuru massages in Thailand were something else. Amazing sensual experiences which take a certainly level of skill and artistry from the girls who can do them. Later this summer when I go to Japan where nuru was invented, I really hope to get in at least one real Japanese nuru session. The real soapy and nuru sessions are like enhanced sexual experiences for me as your time with the girl is more than just the usual sucky fucky boom boom.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3073012]I've had both soapy and nuru massages in Thailand and they are great! In normal standard sessions with girls you just barfine at clubs or do in brothels and if they offer to do any massage for you, these massages usually suck and you very quickly get the feeling that it's just better to get along with the sex. But the real soapy and nuru massages in Thailand were something else. Amazing sensual experiences which take a certainly level of skill and artistry from the girls who can do them. Later this summer when I go to Japan where nuru was invented, I really hope to get in at least one real Japanese nuru session. The real soapy and nuru sessions are like enhanced sexual experiences for me as your time with the girl is more than just the usual sucky fucky boom boom.[/QUOTE]Is there any proper nuru body to body massages in Jakarta? I as looking for some in the area like deep spa and at Classic ground floor bunker but they only provide hand to body massages and at best offered a sub par experience.

Continue from the Philippines thread.

Hell of a flight from MNL to Jakarta. The original arrival time was 11:30 PM. We got in closer to 1 AM. Thankfully, the girls at Classic work until 3 AM. I arrived at T2 behind two very drunk guys who were arguing with the security lady about bringing in a half full bottle of whiskey. Got my wrist band and edged by them. There were not as many girls as I remembered from my last visit two years ago. I had an equally inconvenient flight that time, too, getting the Classic again at around 1:30. Weird. This time there were far fewer girls and many more guys, hanging out in packs. I understand that the Mamsan's back off as the evening wears on, so there were no pushy ladies approaching me. I had to find one myself. "Small girl" is what I asked. She produced one in seconds: a tallish, skinny girl with an inviting smile. The standard price is 375 K, which I paid up front. In the room I requested no condom. The girl, Zyanne, was not happy with this but appeared used to the request. I mentioned a tip but she didn't react. It looked like she had been bored and was at least happy to entertain herself for a short time with me. I like the downstairs bordello, with shower and artwork. We showered. She went to work on little Johnny. She had this odd technique of running the tip of her tongue in and around my pee hole. A lot of sucking just on the very tip, then more pee hole probing. She also appeared to be enjoying the precum taste. Frequently going back for more. Great oral service. I entered her mish, then doggie facing the mirror, then back to mish to finish. She would not allow CIM and didn't want to redo her makeup, so no facial option. I could have cum inside her, but was hoping for more playtime. In the end I cut it short and finished on her belly. She looked genuinely disappointed, holding up two fingers to indicate "such a small amount of cum. " I lack the vitality of youth, I said, which she did not understand. I really think she was looking forward to a Cum bath. Showered. I gave her a tip for the BB everything. She left happy. Another 5 K to the desk for the privilege of using their services. Total damage under 30 USD, which is about the cheapest pussy I've had in a while.

Next day I planned to go to the train tracks, but wanted to also hit Komplek Kota Indiah first, as a sort of pregame thrill. Caught a Grab through my hotel Wifi (had no SIM card yet) and got there fast. Checked out several places. Sari Ayu, MTR, Laura. The f-ing LOUD music was painful to the ears. I have never taken a girl from here, but I am sure the service would be good. So many girls, it's crazy. I was there at around 6:30 PM, hoping to combine girl watching with World Cup. Not much on the TV. I usually do a good job with chatting up the Mamasans. Sari Aya lady was not to be deterred, kept bringing me new specimens. I kept saying, "Not yet. Maybe later. " She eventually stopped. Laura Ayu was dead; loud music, bored girls. I enjoyed my 15 minutes at MTR. The elderly Mamasan was friendly, playful, and spoke a little English. In all three spots the girls were plentiful. MTR had at least 60. Sari had even more. How these girls make money is beyond me. After my beer at MTR, I left. I might return as I'the like to keep drinking and checking out the girls. Tonight, my real mission was the railroad tracks girls.

Went to the gate out front of Kota to find a taxi. No Sim card meant no Grab. I knew the general direction of the street where the Railroad tracks are. Gedong Panjang Street bus station. I told the tuktuk Gedong Panjang street, he said Yes. I could find my way from there. He drove in the direction, but with so many twists and turns, I had no idea where we were. I kept looking for landmarks to place me on Gedong. A bit of an adventure. The guy was clearly winging it. Luckily, we drove right past the iconic Dunkin Donuts sign. "Stop!" I yelled. He did. I paid and got out, knowing that this DD was about 4 blocks south of Gedong Panjang station. Note: I later learned that the tuktuk driver was not wrong. It was a one-way street, so he was diverted to do a crazy you-turn. I need to learn to shut up sometimes. Walked up Gedong Panjang, under the RR track bridge, turned left, found the ladder, climbed up, and began to walk. During my time at Kota it had gotten dark. Now it was about 8:30. I had arrived. Note: Be mindful of the train tracks. If not that, be mindful of the people yelling at you to get the fuck out of the way. It was this second clue that got my attention. The lights and noise of the train did not, as I was a bit tipsy and enjoying the view of the girls. In all about 80 girls up and down the RR tracks, both sides, in pockets of 4, 6 or more. Plenty of selection. Just need to find a Mamasan (or male equivalent) with a good flashlight. Having been inspired by Komplek girls, I wanted a hook up fast. While waiting for a passing train, I saw a girl I liked with fake glasses on. She took me through a hole in the wall to a blue tarp covered tent, fan blowing and lights on, with mattress on the ground. No English skills (standard here), but understood her job requirements. Had a love for BJ-ing and could deep throat like a pro. We did several positions. I stayed hard but couldn't finish. Finally, I took pity on her and just stopped. Paid my 200 K plus tip, thanked her, and left. But I was not about to give up. Walked back in the direction I came from to rest a bit. I had coffee with a pair of old ladies who smiled a lot. Paid 5 k for the coffee when it was only 3 k, just to be a hero. After a good rest (two trains passed) I got back up on the tracks and slowly considered the pack of girls sitting between the tracks. Their Mamasan had a flashlight. In the middle of 8 girls was a stunner. Picked her, price was 210 K. They made sure I understood. Went through the hole the wall, surprisingly down the same ladder, and across the alley was a love motel. Inside, same kind of room: fan, mattress, light on. My new love was named Ara. She was 18 and gorgeous. Had skills and did everything I asked. Again, could have cum inside but had to see that body when I finished. Got her to finger fuck herself with two fingers while I watched and came on her body. Just about the best body I had seen up to this point. A small tip of 100 K got her to smile big. I will try to find her when I return.

My plan was to go back to Dunkin, use their Wifi to call a Grab. But outside on the corner of Gedong was a Grab motorcycle guy who agreed to drive me back to Classic for like 50 K. Once back in my hotel I realized what a dumbshit I was for not having access to Grab while out on the streets of Jakarta. In my hotel I used their Wifi to buy an eSim through a company online called Airalo. Now I can call a Grab anywhere like a normal person. Which I wound doing the next night cruising down to South Jakarta to see what that was all about. My 3 day Airalo eSim cost 8 bucks. Stupid of me not to arrive with this already in place.

To be continued.

Next day had some options. Go back to RR tracks for Ara, one of the other popular clubs, or finally enter the Emporium. The idea of this place, how you could make out in a heated pool before sex, it all sounded great. And it was. Hit Emporium at 4:00 PM. Price: 1. 6 mil for a standard girl; 2. 1 mil for second level. Note: 1 million equals 50 USD. Was presented 5 girls standard (red dress) and 5 girls second level (black dress) sitting on couches. I saw no difference. Chose a cute short beauty named Agnes. Standard Agnes I'll call her, though her name is actually Agis. She had no English. All she could do was make a hand heart to indicate how much she loved me. In the pool, I got handsy. We were alone. I felt up her breasts, exposing them, sucking them. I pulled down my shorts – I assume it is against the rules – and she HJ'ed me under water while looking around, like she didn't want to get caught. Heavy DFK all the time. Another couple came in which caused her to reset her bikini and indicated I needed to pull up my shorts. "We go to the room?" Sounded good. In the room she was in no rush. Huge mirror where I tried to fuck her from behind, standing up and staring at her beautiful body. She played along so well, like she was enjoying watching the show as much as me. On the her knees, she began an expert BJ. Wish they allowed video here; that was an image I wanted to remember. Then on the bed, I entered her in Mish. Again, to my delight, no mention of condoms ever, although they were there on the bed where she threw them. Did several positions, all the while she was doing a great job of making me believe she was loving it and loving me. Ate her pussy because it was partially shaved and I wanted to feel the fuzz. After a while I needed to take a break, ask to rest a minute. She said OK. With a normal hooker, this might signal it's time to leave. Agnes was not thinking that. Instead, while I laid there, she asked if she could blow me again, just to recharge the batteries. I said OK. She wiped me off and did a gentle BJ. Then moved lower. And lower. She began to rim me, saw that it got the reaction she wanted, then went to town on my asshole. Girls that start to do this without me asking – they are God's gift to humanity. No trouble cumming after that.

We showered, she continued to say how much she loved me. I tried to get information, like what was her work schedule and when I could see her again. She understood nothing. I did learn she is from Sumatra. Which is now on my "must visit" list. Later, one of the desk girls helped translate, so I would know when she was working again. I hope to see her soon. Before leaving she pulled out a paper, which is a combination satisfaction survey and tip request. I told her that I would tip her in cash. Gave her 300 K and she was over the moon. She stood in the locker room and watched me get dressed, which was funny because the attendant was there beside her and another couple; they were acting embarrassed because I stripped down in front of them and not behind the curtain. The irony here is too much. Said goodbye with a deep kiss; I think this girl and I were meant to be, my Indonesian soul mate. Hey – let a guy fantasize, alright? Cashed out at the front desk and got the Mamasan's Whatsapp so I can text her to know when my future ex-wife would be working again. Everyone was smiling, most especially me.

To summarize. If you are wondering if the cost of Emporium is worth it, let me tell you that the answer is a full blooded Yes. $88 was the charge on my Mastercard. 15 dollar tip and it's about the best value 100 bucks ever gave me. Sure, Classic girls are one third the price. Good service and, if you're lucky, you'll make a longterm friend. But I will never forget Agnes in the pool and Agnes in the bed with her tongue between my legs. And I get a stiffy just thinking about her lovely body and eager performance.

My evening time was spent Grab taxing to South Jakarta to check out a bar called Blarney, hoping for an Irish bar atmosphere. Very nice atmosphere, but decidedly not Irish in any way, shape or form. Again, comfortable and beautiful inside. Lots of locals hanging out in the early evening, in couches and nice lighting. But Irish it ain't. Walked a while before calling a Grab to take me to Central Jakarta to look for a Western meal. Big city lights and skyscrapers were a major change from the area around Classic. Found food that satisfied and then Grab taxied home.

Tomorrow will either check out Kings Cross or go back to the RR tracks. Maybe Komplek Kota again to ogle the ladies over a cold beer. I'm sure after a few beers the decision will be made for me.

EdwardQ: outstanding and very entertaining trip reports. I bow to you.

[QUOTE=Jimmyzhu;3073027]Is there any proper nuru body to body massages in Jakarta? I as looking for some in the area like deep spa and at Classic ground floor bunker but they only provide hand to body massages and at best offered a sub par experience.[/QUOTE]Try Pablos cave and bar and groovy spa both nuru places are 4 min walk from each. They don't use the exact liquid gel like in Thailand but they use a black pink powder to create a equivalent gel.

Check out their line up in their telegram link, if you are near King cross there is another spa call Grand sumo in the same complex. B2 B is there but not Nuru.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;3073012]I've had both soapy and nuru massages in Thailand and they are great! In normal standard sessions with girls you just barfine at clubs or do in brothels and if they offer to do any massage for you, these massages usually suck and you very quickly get the feeling that it's just better to get along with the sex. But the real soapy and nuru massages in Thailand were something else. Amazing sensual experiences which take a certainly level of skill and artistry from the girls who can do them. Later this summer when I go to Japan where nuru was invented, I really hope to get in at least one real Japanese nuru session. The real soapy and nuru sessions are like enhanced sexual experiences for me as your time with the girl is more than just the usual sucky fucky boom boom.[/QUOTE]I found a few interesting massage places in the same complex as Kings Cross in Kelapa Gading. One of them is Vermouth Soapy Massage Spa, which offers soapy massages. Another spa told me they offer a cold plunge therapy but didn't take it. I also noticed quite a few Korean, Japanese, and Chinese customers there.

Seems the air quality is even worse than usual.

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[QUOTE=Vendelo;3073439]EdwardQ: outstanding and very entertaining trip reports. I bow to you.[/QUOTE]+1. Amazing reports. Not many people write in the full detailed style like you and I do. (If why like a good sex trip novella head to the São Paulo thread for my three part report out). Love all the details esp about seedy places like the tracks. I would never have the balls to go there. So kudos to you! Looking forward to next installment.

I'm going to stay at the Classic Hotel this weekend. Is T5 the fifth floor? Also, has anyone stayed at the hotel and was it okay to stay or should I get another hotel nearby? Any advice would be appreciated.

[QUOTE=ChinaTimes;3073576]I'm going to stay at the Classic Hotel this weekend. Is T5 the fifth floor? Also, has anyone stayed at the hotel and was it okay to stay or should I get another hotel nearby? Any advice would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Yes T5 is on fifth floor and T2 on second floor. And then one on first floor they call something else but I call it T1. It's an ok place to stay but think low end motel like motel 6 or super 8 or something. The lobby is really nice but the rooms super basic and some stuff may not work right. Hard to beat convenience and price if you don't mind it being a bit low brow.

[QUOTE=ChinaTimes;3073576]I'm going to stay at the Classic Hotel this weekend. Is T5 the fifth floor? Also, has anyone stayed at the hotel and was it okay to stay or should I get another hotel nearby? Any advice would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Do yourself a favor and move to Heef Hotel. It's only a 4 minute walk to Classic. It's about the same price, or even cheaper than Classic, and it's much nicer. You will thank me later.

[QUOTE=EdwardQ;3073435]Continue from the Philippines thread.

While waiting for a passing train, I saw a girl I liked with fake glasses on. She took me through a hole in the wall to a blue tarp covered tent, fan blowing and lights on, with mattress on the ground. No English skills (standard here), but understood her job requirements. Had a love for BJ-ing and could deep throat like a pro. We did several positions. I stayed hard but couldn't finish. Finally, I took pity on her and just stopped. Paid my 200 K plus tip, thanked her, and left. But I was not about to give up. Walked back in the direction I came from to rest a bit. I had coffee with a pair of old ladies who smiled a lot. Paid 5 k for the coffee when it was only 3 k, just to be a hero. After a good rest (two trains passed) I got back up on the tracks and slowly considered the pack of girls sitting between the tracks. Their Mamasan had a flashlight. In the middle of 8 girls was a stunner. Picked her, price was 210 K. They made sure I understood.[/QUOTE]I had a brief inclination to report from my arriving night a couple of days ago (rebooked one michat girl from last time, and then spent half an hour finding a new michat girl for the second shot. Both ok-ish 6/7's), but after reading your masterpieces, it would be like offering the leftovers the dog did not want as the postres after a fine dinner.

Hats off to you.

[QUOTE=JuneFly;3073633]Do yourself a favor and move to Heef Hotel. It's only a 4 minute walk to Classic. It's about the same price, or even cheaper than Classic, and it's much nicer. You will thank me later.[/QUOTE]Do rooms here have a balcony?

Woke up very late, missed breakfast, which was a blessing since breakfast in an Indonesian culture bears no resemblance to a Western breakfast. Except for toast, perhaps. Coffee is like something scraped from the bottom of an oil drum. Anyway, it's included in the cost of the room, so whatever. Besides, down from Classic about a 5 minute walk is a proper coffee shop called Tomoro. There I met two guys doing what I'm doing, looking clearly hungover. We compared notes. One mentioned having a good time at King Cross, so I put that on my agenda for the evening.

45 minute Grab ride from Classic to King Cross in North Jakarta. Bring a book or take a nap. Entered the downstairs club at around 6:00 PM. Never having been there before, I was like, "Is this all there is? What's all the hype about?" I would learn my mistake later. The downstairs is one big open Rec room with a few couches and pool tables. The girls hang out on the far side, at their own tables, waiting to be called to duty. I ordered a beer and waited until the Mamasan finished her sandwich; she was in no hurry and I was wondering what was supposed to happen. When she finally came over she showed me the price list. With no basis for comparison, I went with the first (standard) line up of girls at 495,000 price line (about 30 USD). I picked the cutest one of the eight girls. Who was only marginally cute once she sat down next to me. She looked uncomfortable. Not a good sign. I asked how she was and her response was, "I don't speak English. " Uh oh. I called over the Mamasan. It was more the poor vibe than the language barrier, but I said, "Can you find a girl who speaks English?" The Mamasan said Yes, but it raised the price to level 2: 795,000 (about 45 USD). Sounds good. The first girl bolted. A new line up. A bit better looking. The first girl looked a little like a former student of mine. She was also the smallest and cutest, (actually cute,) so I took her. Bought her a beer while we chatted. Her English was good. She explained she used to work as a dancer. I said, Where? She said, Upstairs. I said, "What's upstairs?" She looked at me like I was an idiot. She said, "The strip club. " Oh. One penny dropped. Ah, so, like, when does the strip club open? Ten o'clock. Ah ha. Final penny drops. I get it. While King Cross is open in the afternoon, the "strip club" part, the part that makes this place a major attraction, does not open until 10:00 PM. OK then. I did not do my research. No matter. I asked why she did not "dance" any more. Was the money better or worse? She said money had nothing to do with it. Taking off her clothes and being naked was just too damn cold! She preferred working with a dress on. I see. My new friend, Claudia, and I were getting on like a house on fire. She had a cool, biting, sense of humor on par with mine. Like some girls do overseas, she compared our skin color. She was not dark, more like light brown or tan, compared to my whiter than white skin. She called me Daddy, rubbing my beard and laughing, saying she would like to make a white baby with me. I said I would prefer her color to mine, calling her Mommy Claudia, which sounded funny to her. She suggested we go to the room and we took the elevator up one floor. In the room she told me to shower. I said, Shower together? She made a face and said, No. You first. Ugh, I thought. Once the clothes came off, she was kinda turning all business-like, cooling to me. Shit. I took the shower and lay on the bed while she showered behind a closed door. Double shit. OK. I prepared for the worst. She came out, walked seductively to the bed, dropped her towel and went to work. Once again, I was completely wrong. Claudia was everything and more. Cuddled up to me, DFK, then she slid down and licked my nipples while playing around downstairs. No rush, no hurry, laser eye contact the whole time. An expert BJ. She knew the way to a man's heart. She went lower and lower. And yes, without asking, she began the rimming. So f-ing cool when it happens organically. I wanted to be inside her and she sensed this. She reached for the condom. I said, Please, no. She made an angry face: I no get pregnant! I don't want a baby! Ok, message received. However, that's never going to happen. I explained what a vasectomy was. She looked like it was a new word to her. I described cutting my tubes. She didn't argue, just shrugged her acceptance and dropped the condom back on the bed; returning to party girl mode, she mounted me and rode me like a horny cowgirl. So tight she said she was 22 and such a performer. I was inspired to try a new position so as she straddled me, I pulled her legs horizontal and then sat up so we were sitting, facing each other, and could look down as we fucked. She really got into it then. It takes a special kind of girl to get me to cum inside her. Claudia had that certain something. Looking at her face, intense and passionate, banging me hard with a fury, I blew my puny load inside her pussy; best feeling in the world. For me, anyway. For her it was, "What, you finished?" Jokingly, I pulled her closer, hugged her and, touching foreheads, I said in my best Barry White said, "We can keep going, if you want to, babe. She smiled coquettishly with a naughty grin on her lips and said, "No thanks. " That's the kind of humor I like. I bounced up feeling like a million bucks. We cleaned up, I tipped her and she walked me out. I need to remember one thing about these working girls. I need to give them the parting kiss of "thank you" before they re-apply their makeup again. I keep forgetting this. Her baby goodbye kiss was more a peck than a full on tongue lashing. With her laughing at the red paint that remained on my lips. My kind of girl.

Grab ride back to Central Jakarta takes another 45 minutes, but I got a Buddhist philosopher as a driver, so it was a pleasant conversation. Late dinner at the Pho place that is about a 10 minute walk from Classic Hotel on that busy street with all the local restaurants. Then back home.

One more day tomorrow in Jakarta. I am feeling so lucky with all the sweet girls I have met. Well, now that I think of it, Claudia was a naughty girl and not so sweet. She kept choking me while riding on top of me. I choked her back lightly. She musta had a back story I probably didn't want to know. There a little S&M madam in there waiting to come out. In any event, she was different, and different is always good. For my last day I want to do one more visit to the Gedong Panjang RR tracks to find Ara or her cousin or sister. Railroad tracks girls are a special breed, and I need one more fix before I depart.

*Correction to my last report. If anyone cares, that "Irish" pub in South Jakarta is called Shamrock, not Blarney.

The local food options in Jakarta take some time to figure out. Took a Grab to South Jakarta to some mall and a Sports Bar called Brew & Barrell. Like 90% of the Sports bars I have been to around the world, the wait staff have no idea how to work the TVs and typically have zero interest in sports. Same thing here. There was shit car racing on TV. You would think they have World Cup highlights? The girl could not find any World Cup replays, no sports commentary, no baseball, rugby, nothing. Not even snooker, and there's always bloody snooker happening somewhere on the dial. I settled on a boring replay of a Championship League game.

This brewpub has a variety of choices of beer from a Bali based brewery. Western food options. Waitresses that don't speak English and can't explain why certain things on the menu are correct and certain things are mistakes. Salad and quesadilla and three pints – average food, average beer – came to almost 800,000 Rp or about 40 USD. That's like two hours with Claudia, but without the release! Oh, well. I was expecting it. No problem paying that amount of Rupiahs if you get good service and excellent food / drink. Here, not so much. It did give me incentive to figure out Indonesian food, basic food vocabulary, and explore the various options available to the locals. You may be wondering why I am including this bit about food in my story. Well, until you come here, you have no idea how hard it is to find a decent sandwich, a green salad, or recognizable meat. Except for fast food places, which also have their issues. Basically, it's easier to find quality pussy here than a meal with ingredients you can recognize.

Grabbed it to the RR tracks, arriving at just after 8:00 PM. Looked like they were all just getting set up. Still about 40 girls spread out up and down the tracks. Again, fascinated by all the talent surrounding me, I got so lost in the fantasy, once again I needed to be yelled at by a Mamasan who pulled me off the tracks before an east bound train buzzed past. Man, I didn't think I was that drunk. I was looking for the girl named Ara who I met a couple days ago. No Ara. Walked a little further and was greeted by a smiling, happy girl who said, Hi! How are you? – a phrase she has learned to say in proper American. We shook hands. Her English trailed off after that to pretty much non-existent. She called herself Vira, got up and giggled at me to reveal a mouth full of hardware, then led me across the tracks, down the ladder, up and over another short wall, around the love motel where I was last time, down a narrow corridor with a few shops on the left and a construction barrier to the right. It went on and on. Never been this far into it before. Crossing the construction site, we soon turned right, then under a tunnel, then into a doorway. Walked so far I was not sure this was for real. But it was. Same 2 meter by 1 meter space, plywood walls and hardly any light. She stripped fast, and seeing her naked, I pulled out my camera to capture her beauty on film. She jumped up and yelled, No video! Not angry, just annoyed. Grabbed my camera and proceeded to erase the two images I had made. Then lay back down. Since this was no issue last couple of times, even treated like a standard part of the deal, I thought most girls wouldn't mind. Well, I was wrong. I apologized and she was cool. Vira kneeled to inspect the equipment, used wet-wipes to clean little Johnny, then proceeded to suck me. Repeated same as we lay down. Fucked with her on top, riding in squat position. Tiny patch of fuzz on her little box, perfect small girl tits, and her smiling all the time, showing her braces. It was nice to just stare at her as she rubbed herself, then opened her pussy to show me her wetness and let me cum into her open gash. She had certainly watched her fair share of porn. Only trouble was it was so f-ing hot in that cubicle, I couldn't see with the sweat pouring into my eyes. I think she would have been fine waiting me out, but it was so hot in there, cramped and uncomfortable, for two people impossible: I took up twice the space that Vera did. Couldn't just relax and enjoy, so I made myself finish and got dressed. I asked her politely if I could take a picture of her and she said, Yes, with a tip. Her coy little "tip" request sounded like she was not expecting to get one. I got my picture of her – dressed, unfortunately – and gave her the standard fee: 200 K plus 50 K tip, then 50 K more because I was holding it in my hand, and she made a cute little nod towards it and I am a slave to their cute smiles. Handing it over, she was once again radiating joy. FYI, 50 K is about two and a half USD. A small price to pay for a wide smile, silly giggle and a happy lady.

I returned to the RR tracks to have coffee with the old ladies that sell drinks along the side, between the girls. No one speaks any English. Numbers need to be shown on a calculator to pay your tab, which came to 30 k, or about a buck fifty. The old lady remembered me from last time, and so felt free to suggest I buy Vira a drink, which I did. It seemed that everyone knew Vira in that section of the RR tracks. Not surprising as she is bubbly, extroverted and cute. After coffee, and a pleasant goodbye, I left. Walked down Gedong Panjang, past the guys grilling up whole fish on the sidewalk, and the tuktuk drivers waiting for men coming down from the RR tracks, down to the Dunkin Donuts and back into the clean world. Grabbed it back to Classic with a driver who was another Indonesian philosopher. Took me the scenic route through Old Jakarta. Worth a visit next time I am in town. Seems to have character and good walking points, as opposed to the area around Classic which is dirty and featureless. I thought about a better place to stay in Jakarta, on my next visit. One major consideration is the 30 to 45 minutes it takes to drive across Jakarta. Classic or Luminor seem central to our pursuits, but you got to plan on long car rides through insane traffic jams at all times of the day. I like the Classic hotel well enough. Mosquitos coming through the air-conditioning vents are a pestilence, but I see them everywhere I go in this city. Also, it's nice to have the girls in the building, and although my 5-day visit only included one stop at T2 for a cross-cultural exchange, I took advantage of the kind people and central location to hit places North, South, and Central. More research is needed, and that is only effective when you are here in person. The internet can be misleading, and comments and opinions on this site are so objective, you got to have a good filter. And even that can lead you astray. Only answer is to come here. More than once. And let the city show itself to you.

6 girls in 5 days in Jakarta and my dick is wondering WTF is going on? "You're not in Kansas anymore, my friend. ".

Off to Phenom Penh this morning for two days of fun before I finish in Thailand.

[QUOTE=EdwardQ;3073690] You may be wondering why I am including this bit about food in my story. Well, until you come here, you have no idea how hard it is to find a decent sandwich, a green salad, or recognizable meat. Except for fast food places, which also have their issues. Basically, it's easier to find quality pussy here than a meal with ingredients you can recognize.
[/QUOTE]Another excellent read. Will look forward to your posts from Cambodia.

Next time if you want some westernish food: walk out of Classic, turn right, go up to the intersection, then cross the road over to the left side, opposite side of Classic. Head in the direction of Emporivm for a few metres, then take the first road on the right. After another five minutes of walking, you will be at a holy cow restaurant. 200-300 k will give you a very decent piece of beef with perfectly acceptable sides. Double the price of joni steak I guess, but at least the beef you get tastes like beef, while I gave up on joni steak as far as beef is concerned after trying two different variations there.

[QUOTE=EdwardQ;3073690]Off to Phenom Penh this morning for two days of fun before I finish in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Definitely visit Croco on 118 (Go around 8-9 pm and you'll be one of 3-5 mongers amidst up to 40-50 FLs. The cute cashier with the beautiful smile is Nicki. Hope you can BF her.

[QUOTE=LoneWolff;3073680]Do rooms here have a balcony?[/QUOTE]I'm going to stay at the Heef Hotel later in August even though I really enjoyed the breakfast buffet at Classic during my last trip to Jakarta. I won't need a balcony since once inside the hotel, I don't want to breathe in more of the polluted Jakarta air.

[QUOTE=LoneWolff;3073680]Do rooms here have a balcony?[/QUOTE]

Yes, but a very few, it's meant for smoking with no chairs. I think it's Executive / Grand Executive Smoking. You can reach directly to Heef Hotel on their Whatsapp to request one.

Another great set of posts. You have a great gift of story telling. I really enjoyed reading your adventures.

[QUOTE=JuneFly;3073633]Do yourself a favor and move to Heef Hotel. It's only a 4 minute walk to Classic. It's about the same price, or even cheaper than Classic, and it's much nicer. You will thank me later.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the feedback. I'm on my way there from Bandung now. So, I'll stay my first night at Classic. I'll look into Heef tomorrow. I don't mind basic rooms as long as it's relatively clean, safe, and the A / C works. Again, thank you for the feedback.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3073599]Yes T5 is on fifth floor and T2 on second floor. And then one on first floor they call something else but I call it T1. It's an ok place to stay but think low end motel like motel 6 or super 8 or something. The lobby is really nice but the rooms super basic and some stuff may not work right. Hard to beat convenience and price if you don't mind it being a bit low brow.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the details. I'm on my way taking the Woosh high-speed train from Bandung now. I'll take a look at T2 & T5 this evening to see what kind of quality they have. My long-term girlfriend is here in Bandung. But, she doesn't mind if I have fun in Jakarta. She just doesn't want me to play in Bandung. She told me to "have fun" in Jakarta. So, I'll follow what she says.

Again, thank you for the details.

I've visited Jakarta a couple of times now, and every time I'm thinking I have to try some other place than Classic, but Classic is so good for me during the day, and michat now works well enough for me at night, that I never get around to it.

After getting stood up for my online date yesterday early evening, I decided to instead of getting sloppy seconds (or thirds) at Classic, to finally try the Kotah Indah bars, and get my sloppy seconds there instead.

Based on Mr. Edward's recent report I tried MRT first. Initial impression was a bit lackluster, as all the girls are bunched together in a small space, so it's much more difficult to gauge their looks than at Classic. Not sure if they do presentations here, as in Classic, but did not see it while there.

I didn't see anyone attractive, and kind of thought I'd walk out and try one of the other bars, but with how they were all bunched together, who knows if not some beauties were hiding in there somewhere.

Eventually attracted the attention of a mama, and told her I wanted a "small girl", thinking "small" would be more easily understood and closer enough to my real preference, which is "fit". She brought out a decent
enough girl bodywise, but face not attractive to me.

After rejecting her, mama brought up her phone, with google translate already set to translate between bahasa and Chinese. After correcting the languages to bahasa and klingon, I typed in "slim girl" for my
second attempt.

Girl brought forward from the herd this time was quite a bit more to my licking, with a somewhat bubbly personality and nice smile, and surprisingly good English. After a brief talk about the weather, I expressed my desire to go with her, went to pay, and then up the stairs with my love of the hour. I think I paid around 440k, so about 80 more than at Classic.

Room was fine enough. Smaller than the ones at Classic, and no mirror, but ok anyway.

In the room she continued as downstairs, happy and bubbly, also showing a refined sense of humour in how she politely laughed at my jokes (I noted to myself to give an extra tip for this).

Unfortunately, when undressed, while her body was still fine and slim, her back had large tattoos, and eventually I also discovered a tongue piercing. Normally I skip girls like that if I see them, as I'm not
a fan of either, but at that point it was a bit too late for that. Also I had already started to like the girl, who was more entertaining personality wise than most.

She joked that she liked doggy style because then I could see her tattoos. Oh well.
I did eventually do her doggy style, to make her happy, though my thumb in her ass made her a bit less happy. First we did a shower together however, followed by a quite a bit better than average blowjob.
While she could not go all the way down, not even with my help, she was much closer than most, so it was good.

She as usual complimented me on how big dick my was (I noted down another tip for this), but later on told me about some Spanish guy who made her bleed. His dick was so big he could not get inside. For this I quickly
detracted the previously given tip.

After a bit of blowjobing, we moved through the various sex positions with hardly any drama, and much less than the previous days Classic experiences (one no-go, other one, recommended by mamasan, quickly
enough ok). Tipped 100k, which seemed to be welcomed gratefully, rather than just expected, as seems to more and more be the case at Classic. No doubt due to people tipping for nothing, not understanding it only makes things worse.

After the session I inquired about birth control, and she told me she had an injection. I asked if all other girls also had it? She said most, but not all.

Also, based on an idea from AR here, in the cases where the girls express anything but joy regarding the possibilities of becoming the single mother of my child after I have finished, I now show them the ai-generated image in bahasa language that explains my vasectomy procedure. This seems to work much better than before, when I was subjecting them to my unintelligible explanation in English about the procedure.

Not sure if I was just lucky with my session and the girl, who said she had only been working there for a month and had perhaps not yet gotten too jaded, but the experience was better for me than at Classic, and the girls, maybe because all bunched together, seemed more cheerful. Made me think I will go here more often, even though it's a bit longer from where I'm hotel-ing.

After that I took an overly long taxi ride to Tucano's brazillian BBQ.
Depending on what you choose, about 300k for a really nice meat buffet. For fellow dwellers of the lower sukhumvit slum in Bangkok, quality is about the same as El Toro, but at less than half the price. I arrived
rather late, as they apparently close 21:30, rather than 22:00 as google maps says, and plan to repeat it at least once more before I depart Jakarta.

Going back, I for the first time experienced what a fellow brother here talked about regarding grab clowns canceling rides. First ride, after
waiting for 15 minutes, at the last minute looked like he had almost driven past me, but then the remaining time changed to 20 minutes.
Don't know what was going on with that, and at first thought it was some kind of honest error, but I canceled since I did not want
to wait another 20 minutes and did not have gojek installed so I could book there, while waiting to see what happened with the first guy,
and forcing him to cancel the ride himself.

Second driver, after me waiting another 15 minutes for him to arrive, canceled when a couple of hundred meters away. Only on my third
attempt did I succeed, so guess I should install gojek to have an alternative.

While at Tucano's, I booked a p4p meeting with a girl on tinder. She started at a realistic 600k (unlike some clowns who start at 1+
juta), but rejected my 500k offer at first. Was for some time thinking about coming back to her and accepting 600k, as she looked pretty good and it would save me the time of looking on michat once nearer my hotel, and if I convert it to my own currency, it's just 5 eur, so while it doesn't matter to me here and now, I want to minimalise my contributions to the local inflation. For the greater good of us all.

A short while after, she called me, and after a quick talk, apparently my sexy voice convinced her 500k was enough.

She arrived shortly after me, was a bit overly gf-ish for me, but sex was good. After finishing, she kept laying on the bed, playing with her phone. Eventually asked if I wanted to go again later, but I said
no thanks, as I need to sleep.

Paid her the 500k, and said she could sleep here, but I need to go to bed now as I need to get up early tomorrow for work. She said I could sleep, and she will go later. Turned of the light and went to bed,
eventually she also came under the blankets, and I thought maybe I will fuck her again later during the night, but she left about an hour later. To another customer I suspect, based on hearing various notifications
on her phone while I was falling asleep.

Not 100% sure if this afternoon I will again go to kotah indah, or again to Classic, but will see.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3073899]
Not sure if I was just lucky with my session and the girl, who said she had only been working there for a month and had perhaps not yet gotten too jaded, but the experience was better for me than at Classic, and the girls, maybe because all bunched together, seemed more cheerful. Made me think I will go here more often, even though it's a bit longer from where I'm hotel-ing.[/QUOTE]I never had a bad girl in KI. The girls seems more well mannered compared to classic. Next time go to laras ayu it's my favorite in KI.

[QUOTE=Safado70;3072945]The title says it all. I'm fucked. I thought this shit was pretty rare in this part of the world? [/QUOTE]Sorry to hear your troubles, mate. But this caught me by surprise. Prevalence of STDs is high in sex workers in Jakarta. Do an online query and you'll likely be surprised.

Looking forward to my return next month to Classic. Probably 50% of my experiences there are positive. It's just so hard to gauge based on smalltalk before going to the room.

[QUOTE=BroComplex;3073910]I never had a bad girl in KI. The girls seems more well mannered compared to classic. Next time go to laras ayu it's my favorite in KI.[/QUOTE]

Good to hear. That was also my initial impression.

I however instead decided to go to Classic again. Perhaps I will try alternating for the remainder of my stay.

My mamasan acquaintance at Classic admitted that she did not have any girls that would be to my liking right now, as I myself could also see, but summoned up the other mamasans to present their girls, pointing out 3-4 "no baby" girls for me, and I selected one fair-skinned slightly Chinese looking shy looking girl who said she had been working there for 5 months.

She was a bit reserved initially, and I thought about sending her back, as I wasn't sure how welcome my dick would be, but she seemed to warm up after a bit of chit-chat. In the room service was good and friendly, and
the only thing she genuinely blocked was me entering her without applying some k-y first. Well, that and anal. Tipped her 150k, 50k more than I usually do for good service. Not sure why. Maybe because she seemed so sweet, even after having worked at Classic for already at least five months.

Sat down to relax with a drink afterwards (offered her one too upon going up the chairs, but she said no thanks), and my mamasan came by asking if I wanted one more girl. Said not today, but if she has one, she could show me for next time. After a while she brought forward some girl, which body-wise was to my liking, but face only so-so.

Asked this girl about another girl (Tessa), who is the only one I've repeated with her due to her amazing deepthroat skills. Apparently they were friends, and this girl claimed she could also deepthroat. Said she
would do with Tessa if I choose them both, so might do that.

In the evening I was looking around on michat, and after video call verification, settled on a girl who from the outset offered two shots for 600k. I usually prefer one shot per girl at 400k, but didn't bother discussing it. She arrived about 15 minutes after the booking was made and was as she had looked 15 minutes before on the videocall, about 7+, and I'd probably choose her at Classic too if I didn't manage to see any 8s.

Service was good, including blowjobing further down than average, but she had some problems with the size of my average western dick, so I did not push all the way in, as that seemed to give her pain. Unfortunately it
only got worse in doggy style, so I seem to have unfortunately caused her some genuine pain.

After finishing, she went back to the bathroom, and came out fully dressed. Communication was difficult, but I understood that she did not want another shot due to some pain. Not sure if it was the
premenstruation pain some girls feel if they have sex at that time of the month, or something else. Using google translate I asked her what the price would be since it was only one shot, and she answered back 300k,
which was exactly half.

Gave her the 300k, and then another 100k for her honesty. Didn't feel very good about that, and reminded myself to be more careful in the future.

Since it was already past midnight, I started to get ready for sleep, but cast an eye on the michat queue, mostly out of curiosity. Saw another attractive girl offering herself, and after a quick videocall confirmed
the deal at 400k. Thought she was joking when she said she would arrive in three minutes, or more likely, meaning she would be ready to go in three minutes, but it was true: 5 minutes later she was calling me to ask where I was.

Guess I got the sloppy seconds of some other customer at a nearby hotel, or even the same hotel. Hopefully he had the good sense to use condoms.

She was the same size and age bracket as the previous girl (18-20), but had no trouble taking my dick all the way in without much warm-up. Perhaps because she was already warmed up.

BJ-skills a bit worse than the previous girl, but compensated for by seeming to get some enjoyment out of getting banged hard, especially doggy-style. First thing she said when I turned her around for doggy style was however the somewhat disappointing words "no anal".

After that there was a big-bossomed girl still messaging me on michat, claiming her rather attractive slightly-too-good-to-be-true photos were real. I did ponder for a second or two whether to bother to verify and
call her over if true, but sense prevailed (no longer 30) and I fell asleep instead.

Maybe tonight I will find out if her photos were indeed real or not.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3073599]Yes T5 is on fifth floor and T2 on second floor. And then one on first floor they call something else but I call it T1. It's an ok place to stay but think low end motel like motel 6 or super 8 or something. The lobby is really nice but the rooms super basic and some stuff may not work right. Hard to beat convenience and price if you don't mind it being a bit low brow.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Vendelo;3073713]Definitely visit Croco on 118 (Go around 8-9 pm and you'll be one of 3-5 mongers amidst up to 40-50 FLs. The cute cashier with the beautiful smile is Nicki. Hope you can BF her.[/QUOTE]I tried to look up 'Croco' and '118' on Google Maps and I couldn't find anything. Can you tell me the address for this place? Thank you.

[QUOTE=BroComplex;3073910]I never had a bad girl in KI. The girls seems more well mannered compared to classic. Next time go to laras ayu it's my favorite in KI.[/QUOTE]Same here in my 5 days spent in Jakarta last month. Went to Grand LA, Mega Ayu e Sary Ayu.

MRT and New Royal feeling not welcoming as bule. Happy, Astro and MTV had very limited line up and ugly girls.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;3074058]
In the evening I was looking around on michat, and after video call verification, settled on a girl who from the outset offered two shots for 600k. I usually prefer one shot per girl at 400k, but didn't bother discussing it. She arrived about 15 minutes after the booking was made a....

Since it was already past midnight, I started to get ready for sleep, but cast an eye on the michat queue, mostly out of curiosity. Saw another attractive girl offering herself, and after a quick videocall confirmed
the deal at 400k. Thought she was joking when she said she would arrive in three minutes, or more likely, meaning she would be ready to go in three minutes, but it was true: 5 minutes later she was calling me to ask where I was.
[/QUOTE]Which neighborhood are you staying in?

[QUOTE=ChristianG;3074096]Same here in my 5 days spent in Jakarta last month. Went to Grand LA, Mega Ayu e Sary Ayu.

MRT and New Royal feeling not welcoming as bule. Happy, Astro and MTV had very limited line up and ugly girls.

Which neighborhood are you staying in?[/QUOTE]Only been to Jakarta once but fell in love with Classic and was glued to it. Coming again soon and KI sounds like an adventure. The other poster mentioned Lara's Ayu. I couldn't find it on Google Maps but it shows up in the street scenes when looking at Mega Ayu. So I assume it's nearby. Any thoughts on it and location?

For others it appears to be Sari Ayu not Sary.

What is the drill at these places. Like they say they are karaoke but I'm guessing more like classic based on what you describe where there is a big area and girls hang out and you pick?

I do like the vibe of T2 with the band and just hanging out till you pick. I prefer that to just point and shoot. Is it cool to just hang out and chat up girls and not make a pull too quick?

Really appreciate the great intel. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3074110]Only been to Jakarta once but fell in love with Classic and was glued to it. Coming again soon and KI sounds like an adventure. The other poster mentioned Lara's Ayu. I couldn't find it on Google Maps but it shows up in the street scenes when looking at Mega Ayu. So I assume it's nearby. Any thoughts on it and location?

For others it appears to be Sari Ayu not Sary.

What is the drill at these places. Like they say they are karaoke but I'm guessing more like classic based on what you describe where there is a big area and girls hang out and you pick?

I do like the vibe of T2 with the band and just hanging out till you pick. I prefer that to just point and shoot. Is it cool to just hang out and chat up girls and not make a pull too quick?

Really appreciate the great intel. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Sari Ayu, MTR, Royal, V-Four, Mega Ayu are within the same Kota Indah complex, it's a collection of bars.

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[QUOTE=Steve9696;3074110]Only been to Jakarta once but fell in love with Classic and was glued to it. Coming again soon and KI sounds like an adventure. The other poster mentioned Lara's Ayu. I couldn't find it on Google Maps but it shows up in the street scenes when looking at Mega Ayu. So I assume it's nearby. Any thoughts on it and location?

For others it appears to be Sari Ayu not Sary.[/QUOTE]You're making it more complicated than it is LOL.

Just google Komplek Kota Indah is just a 2 streets with all the bars one next to another.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;3074110]What is the drill at these places. Like they say they are karaoke but I'm guessing more like classic based on what you describe where there is a big area and girls hang out and you pick?

I do like the vibe of T2 with the band and just hanging out till you pick. I prefer that to just point and shoot. Is it cool to just hang out and chat up girls and not make a pull too quick?
[/QUOTE]Kota Indah bars have nothing to do with the size of lounge room of Classic. They are tiny compared to Classic and all the girls are crowded together in a corner.

I'm not an expert of Jakarta as I had only one trip there but personally I don't see how can be fun chat up the girls with google translate if you don't speak bahasa (most don't speak a word of english) with a very loud music and all the smoke. For me Classic or Kota Indah are just point and shoot.