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[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]What an extraordinary post! OTH finally acknowledges that Thailand is not a country populated by pre-programmed robots that all fit into identikit images. Welcome to the real world OTH. It's technicolor, not black and white.[/QUOTE]
LOL. That in itself is a somewhat extreme, B&W (and not at all accurate) assessment of me and past views. But, hey. It's your established job to be diametrically opposed to me. That's our understanding, I believe. ;)
[QUOTE=Dan7373].
And sooner or later she will happen to be a little in the mood for sex due to her hormonal changes. [/QUOTE]
You may be tying to be more provocative than informative with statements like this but have you ever tried the technique you mentioned and did it worked for you or is it that only Thai men can accomplish the feat of treating women like hookers?
[QUOTE=Run Mann]You may be tying to be more provocative than informative with statements like this but have you ever tried the technique you mentioned and did it worked for you or is it that only Thai men can accomplish the feat of treating women like hookers?[/QUOTE]
On the Pattaya thread, we have Bill Miami talking about treating obvious hookers with respect and reaping the rewards for essentially treating them like non-P4P. Yet, here we have Dan talking about the opposite: treating mostly non-P4P women like HOs and them responding favourably because of hormones.
Thai women are no different than women anywhere. Discretion aside (i.e. whispering lewd suggestions quietly in their ears), Thai women, wherever they are in the country are NOT going to appreciate being spoken to in this way. Yes. Some might respond positively, out of necessity. But, I doubt deep down that they feel happy about it.
One thing I particulary dislike are these guys who have only ever dated/married poor Isaan farm girls and maybe even lived in an Isaan village and somehow now think they are experts on Thailand, Thai culture and Thai people. If they know anything, they only know something about poor Isaan farm girls and life in a poor Isaan farm village. That's all.
I am constantly fine-tuning and adjusting my opinions of Thais, their culture and their lives based on always learning something new, experiencing something new and realizing that understanding Thai or any culture is an ongoing process. Personally, I've often been accused on here of contradicting myself because at various times, I've expressed dissimilar views on the exact same topic. That's because I've probably learned something new that caused me to re-evaluate my opinion. There are no absolutes and declarative statements, such as we've seen from Dan7373 are at the very least misleading and at the extreme completely wrong.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand])
And, BTW. I've lived here going on 12 years, have dated women from just about every corner of the country, from every strata of society and I'm still discovering new things all the time about the country and it's people.[/QUOTE]
Ain't this the truth? Just about the time I think I have the Thais figured out they take a 180 degree turn. As a Farang you can only begin to scratch the surface and there are many, many layers beneath.
[quote=old thai hand]on the pattaya thread, we have bill miami talking about treating obvious hookers with respect and reaping the rewards for essentially treating them like non-p4p. yet, here we have dan talking about the opposite: treating mostly non-p4p women like hos and them responding favourably because of hormones.
thai women are no different than women anywhere. discretion aside (i.e. whispering lewd suggestions quietly in their ears), thai women, wherever they are in the country are not going to appreciate being spoken to in this way. yes. some might respond positively, out of necessity. but, i doubt deep down that they feel happy about it.
one thing i particulary dislike are these guys who have only ever dated/married poor isaan farm girls and maybe even lived in an isaan village and somehow now think they are experts on thailand, thai culture and thai people. if they know anything, they only know something about poor isaan farm girls and life in a poor isaan farm village. that's all.
i am constantly fine-tuning and adjusting my opinions of thais, their culture and their lives based on always learning something new, experiencing something new and realizing that understanding thai or any culture is an ongoing process. personally, i've often been accused on here of contradicting myself because at various times, i've expressed dissimilar views on the exact same topic. that's because i've probably learned something new that caused me to re-evaluate my opinion. there are no absolutes and declarative statements, such as we've seen from dan7373 are at the very least misleading and at the extreme completely wrong.[/quote]
**the faint noise of oth's hypocricy and bigotry scraping against the forum walls again**
Meatman,
You are dead wrong! For over 20 years I have been getting deepthroated by SE Asian women, especially in China. A former mistress of a rich chinese diplomat in Hong Kong was casted off because she was too old. Lucky me I came to meet her in Hong Kong and became friends, she visited my hometown and stayed at my house and became my girlfriend for a few months. She had her motives and I had mines, and that was to screw and suck her 36's to death but she gave me a surprise of my life. One of the best 3 f--ks of my life and she deepthroated as there was no tomorrow, slowly all the way down to the end!
In Thailand, just the other day a regular lady I see on soi 6, because one of the best slow deepthroated BBBJ to your nuts and back up to the head service you can get for the money!
Meatman, in all due respect you just haven't found it yet! but don't give up hope!
LBM,
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Ain't this the truth? Just about the time I think I have the Thais figured out they take a 180 degree turn. As a Farang you can only begin to scratch the surface and there are many, many layers beneath.[/QUOTE]
Which is why you expats and expat-types should show a bit more humility on this forum and stop behaving like such know-it-alls.
[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]Which is why you expats and expat-types should show a bit more humility on this forum and stop behaving like such know-it-alls.[/QUOTE]
Well, we certainly don't know everything; but, we do know more than most visitors to Thailand. Notice I said most. Every now an then a real "expert" shows up and based on his five days in Pattaya (or some rice picking village near Udorn) now knows everything there is to know about Thailand and Thai women. I am married to a Thai and just about the time I think I have her figured out, she throws a curve ball at me that leaves me scratching my head wondering what just happend. Never a dull moment with the little lady.
[quote=terry terrier]**the faint noise of oth's hypocricy and bigotry scraping against the forum walls again**[/quote]
oh come on! hardly.
[QUOTE=Daddy07]Very interesting! Does this apply to westerners too?
Do you mean that older farangs like me can whisper lewd suggestions into the ears of pretty young Thai waitresses or shop girls, including promises of money, and they will not feel insulted as long as the propositions are discrete?[/QUOTE]
In theory, yes this applies to westerners too. But in practice it's not so easy to do.
One thing is the language barrier. It's hard to whisper discreetly, when the lady has some difficulty understanding you. You'd have to be pretty forward and explicit about it in order to avoid confusion. And that may embarrass the girl.
Another thing. This works well only with unattached ladies who don't have a boyfriend or a husband. Which means that you have to get to know the lady first and find out about her relationship status. Whispering into the ears of women who already have men is not going to get you anywhere in most cases. Although in Thailand, even some married women do some hooking on the side.
A third thing. Not every unattached lady is equally experienced. Some ladies need more persuasion than others. Which means that you may succeed only when you are persistent with the lady on several occasions and don't give up easily.
And finally. Whispering to the unattached lady is not always the best way to persuade her. Giving the lady excessively large tips or buying her expensive gifts will make her feel indebted to you, if she accepts these from you. It's harder for the lady to say 'no', when you pay her in advance and hold out the promise of paying her more.
[QUOTE=Run Mann]You may be tying to be more provocative than informative with statements like this but have you ever tried the technique you mentioned and did it worked for you or is it that only Thai men can accomplish the feat of treating women like hookers?[/QUOTE]
I've spent some time away from tourist places, alone among Thais. And I've had more than enough opportunities to observe and ask questions about the behaviour of Thai people around me. My Thai lady, who was from that community, was the one who explained to me what was going on.
I don't think foreigners in Thailand can copy the local culture and behave just the locals do. It's not that easy. Foreigners don't know enough of the local ways to be subtle and discreet. And that which works for Thai men is not going to work for foreigners.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]....
I am constantly fine-tuning and adjusting my opinions of Thais, their culture and their lives based on always learning something new, experiencing something new and realizing that understanding Thai or any culture is an ongoing process....[/QUOTE]
No matter how much you try, your view of Thai life is always going to be through the lens and the filter of your own culture. If you really want to know what's going on. Then ask the local people who trust you and whom you trust. They are a part of what's going on. And they know better than anyone else why they behave the way they do.
Ask the local people is what I have done. And that's why my understanding of what's going on in Thailand is so different from yours.
[QUOTE=Dan7373]Foreigners don't know enough of the local ways to be subtle and discreet. And that which works for Thai men is not going to work for foreigners.[/QUOTE]
If nothing else I got a good chuckle out of your last few post because while I am definitely not convinced with your presentation, it was entertaining. Perhaps you can write a book on how to conquer Thai women but be sure to run for the hills because someone is bound to hurt you for being a purveyor of spurious logic.
[QUOTE=Dan7373]I don't think foreigners in Thailand can copy the local culture and behave just the locals do. It's not that easy. Foreigners don't know enough of the local ways to be subtle and discreet. And that which works for Thai men is not going to work for foreigners.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but being sensitive and respectable of Thais and Thai culture works wonders.
[QUOTE=Run Mann]If nothing else I got a good chuckle out of your last few post because while I am definitely not convinced with your presentation, it was entertaining. Perhaps you can write a book on how to conquer Thai women but be sure to run for the hills because someone is bound to hurt you for being a purveyor of spurious logic.[/QUOTE]
Such a book would be best written by a Thai man who has had a lot of relevant experiences.
I was curious enough to find out what was going on from the local people. But the knowledge I've gained didn't make me good at seducing the women.
It's just like watching someone ride a motorbike and knowing how people do it will not make you a good motorbike rider. And such abstract knowledge will not qualify you to write an instructional book about it.