Tallinn

Come on people, let us talk about what we are supposed to talk in this forum and make the best use of it.

It dosen't matter what lingo we speak and how we speak, what matters is that we are all hunting for the same thing and that makes us a community in itself.

Never been to Tallinn, but happen to do some business there, so may be in future it is my travel destination. Just curious to know if the quality of girls in Tallinn similar to what we get to see in a place like Moscow?

Cheers.

Women are women everywhere. There are attractive ones and ugly ones.

That said, during Soviet times, Estonianwomenhad the reputtion of being the most attractive in the Soviet Union and if you like Russian girls, well, Russians comprise half the population of Tallinn.

Dusty, thanks for your reply. Ya for sure I love Russian women, they are ever so gorgeous and sexy and the best part is that they love sex.... makes it even better for us.

After reading your post I am anxious to visit Estonia, I hope that it happens sometime soon in future.

Cheers.

I have recently returned from the Baltics and thought I would post some details of my trip as 'pay back' for all the valuable information obtained from the WSG site.

Firstly, I would publicly like to thank Dusty Bin for all the information provided by him prior to this trip to Tallinn, and also my earlier visits this year to Helsinki and Tallinn. He was very patient in answering my numerous and at times 'stupid questions'. We met up 3 times during my visit for a drink and visits to Cafe Amigo, Bonnie and Clyde e.t.c.

I did notice a lot of Italians in both Tallinn and Riga. This is probably due to 2 factors. Cheap flights and peak holiday season in Italy.

Without wishing to 'stoke up the embers' of the previous posts, my impression of the local attitudes to all the visiting tourisits, regardless of nationality, is that in the main 'money talks'. He/She who spends it freely is most warmly welcomed, those that do not, get the 'cold shoulder'. Unfortunately a large number falling within the category of not spending did appear to be Italian men. Not all I hasten to add, but those generaly falling within the under 30 age group. They were easily recognisable in the nightclubs and bars having sunglasses perched upon their heads, sweaters or other woollens tied around their waists, and being in groups of 5+ .

Back to the matter in hand. My trip was mainly work with as much play as I could fit in. I followed the advice of Dusty and other members of this board and obtained an apartment rather than a hotel for my stay. This not only worked out significantly cheaper, but allowed the hobby to be pursued without undue questions being asked by hotel staff. The apartment was arranged via the RED Group (www.redgroup.ee). It was located within a few minutes walk of the Radisson Hotel and Stockmans Depatmental store. The cost was 62 Euro per night for a one double bedroom apartment, including being picked up from the airport.

My first night entailed meeting a colleague for a few drinks at Molloy Malones in the market square. I left there some time after midnight and went to the Cafe Amigo with him. The Amigo was quieter than I was expecting. By the time my colleague departed it was almost 3:00 a.m. and there were slim pickings. I was reasonably drunk due to not having eaten much but consuming plenty of booze. I was determined not to leave alone on my first night. I left with a 40+ year old blond about 4.5, who's name I cannot remember. She wanted 60Euro (900EEK) for S/T, but eventually settled for 50 Euro for a double. Service was OK. First time was BBJ followed by FS in missionary and cowgirl. Second time was BBJ and doggie. By this time it was 06:00 and I booted her out as I needed my sleep. Her request for additional Taxi money was just ignored.

The second day had me feeling very tired and hungover after the previous day/nights weary travelling, working, drinking and sex. I was working in the apartment and making a lot of phone calls. I am really pleased I acted on Dusty Bin's suggestion of getting a local SIM card for my cell phone and not using international roaming. My previous trip had run up a 150 Euro cell phone bill during a 6 day visit. I got a local SIM for 10 Euro including 7 Euro call credit. I topped this up with 13 Euro and I still have credit left.

During the start of the afternoon I was feeling horny again. I knew it would be difficult to leave the apartment due to awaiting a courier arrival, so I decided to order in. I had done some research on the net prior to my arrival and had some local phone numbers. I tried a few and they were very relectant to visit. I managed to contact Svetlana, who's details I had obtained from the Sihteeriopisto site. I arranged a time but she did not turn up. I received a phone call saying she was runing 15 mins late. I waited and waited, but nothing. I telephoned her and she said she was about to get in Taxi. I told her not to bother as it was more than an hour after the agreed time.

I got my old copy of 'Tallinn this week' and had a look at the section dealing with massage. I phoned Laguna massage +372 581 13825. I was asked my requirements and they said they would send 3 girls over in 40 mins for me to take my pick. 40 mins later I received a phone call asking me to meet the 'boss' downstairs outside the building. I was escorted to the car where I picked a 23 year old black haired Russian girl. I payed him the agreed fee of 800EEK for 1 hour. (Cost is 600EEK when an incall) The 'boss' gave me his direct cell phone number and said he would be more than happy to be of service in the future. I gave the girl a drink, switched off the phone and adjorned to the bedroom. The girl was a 5-5.5. BJ and FS in 3 positions followed. The service was satisfactory but nothing special, but frankly I did not care. My only concern at that stage was to 'empty my sack'. I gave her a 50EEK tip to hasten her departure as I was still awaiting for my courier delivery. Luckly this arrived 10 mins after she had departed. I finished my work and then started to get ready for the evening out

I met Dusty Bin in Molloy Malones as arranged. We had a few beers and a fairly wide ranging conversation regarding the local mongering scene and the changes since Estonia joined the EU and future developments. Dusty suggested an Argentinian Resteraunt for dinner. I was more than happy to go along with his suggestion. The food was good and very good value price wise. During the meal the resteraunt had a Latin floor show. Dusty stated the dancers were provided from the same organisation which provides the cabaret for one of the 'clubs'. I think it may have been Galaxy.

After the meal we went to Bonnie and Clydes at the Reval Olympic Hotel. The club had some stunnigly attractive girls, but they were aware of this fact and it was obvious they were only there 'to be seen'. A number of older women started to drift in but it these were working. After a few drinks we decided to carry on to Cafe Amigo. The Amigo was reasonably busy for a Friday night with its usual mix of an older clientele than B&C. There were working girls, semi working girls, and I am sure some amateurs. The problem was trying to sift the amateurs from the others.

Not long after our arrival we met up with Dusty's current lady and a friend of hers called Irina. She looked about 30 years old, had brunette shoulder length hair and a slim figure, but with curves in the right places. I started talking to Irina who seemed interested. Dusty and his lady departed at about 02:30. I bought Irina a drink and everything appered to be going OK. I asked after a short time if she would like another. She requested a coffee. I said "you can have a coffee here or I could make you one back at my apartment". She looked at me in a strange way, muttered something under her breath, which I did not hear, and said she wanted a coffee here. This I bought her. By this time it was approaching 04:00 and I was dead on my feet. I needed to get to bed. I was interested in meeting Irina in the future as there was something about her which even in my tired state strongly appealed to me, but I did not wish to appear too eager (Big mistake), so I made my appoligies and left, knowing full well I could get her phone number from Dusty's lady.

I spoke to Dusty the next afternoon to get the phone number. He told me she was very interested in meeting up again. When I told him of the previous evenings events, he told me I had made a huge mistake. Irina being of Russian stock and used to Russian men did not understand the underlying message of 'a coffee at my place'. I was told I should have been much more direct; along the lines of 'do you want to come back to my place for sex'. I have explained this in detail to highlight the difference in attitudes and expectations between what we are used to in Western Europe and North America and elsewhere. I know this is a case of being wise after the event, but I hope other mongers benefit from using the local direct approach.

(more to follow)

REQUEST info for hotels: is either of these hotels a good choice? L'Ermitage or Uniquestay. If not, any other advice (except www.redgroup.ee, already mentioned?).

Thanks a lot

Well on the morning of my third day in Tallinn I managed to get out of bed at 10:00 am. I was feeling better than I had been for a number of days. I did a little shopping for the essentials, beer, phone card, vodka, fruit juice and spare condoms. By this time it was approaching 12:00pm. As most of the afternoon and early evening was free I decided to grab some food and do some sight seeing.

I went to the market square and sat outside Mollys for a beer and some breakfast/brunch. I decided to sit outside in order to allow my wandering eyes to look over the local sights, by which I am referring to the women. Unfortunately at this time of day most of these appeared to be tourists wearing anoraks, as rain was expected, and not locals.

I spent the afternoon snapping away with my camera. I went into a couple of bars (Nimeeta & the one next to it) during the showers to get out of the rain and to see what was happening. Unfortunately the clientele was mainly Brits on stag parties drinking and watching the soccer.

I headed over to the Radisson rooftop bar to catch the view and to see if there was any action. Unfortunately not. After a quick beer with Dusty and his lady I went back to the apartment to grab a nap and to get ready for the evening.

I met up with my colleague and we had a few beers in a number of places but unfortunately he was a bit difficult to shake off - a bit like a limpet. I was anxious to visit places where the ladies were, but he just wanted to drink and talk me to death about his hassles with his girlfriend. I eventually said I was going back to the apartment. He grabbed a taxi and as soon as it was out of sight I changed direction and headed to the Amigo.

It was 01:00 when I paid my 100EEK and walked into the Amigo. The place was busy even for a weekend. The Finns were out in force. I grabbed a drink and then stood by the back of the bar on the elevated level to have a good scout. I was trying to work out which were the amateurs and which were the WGs. I was having difficulty distinguishing between the Estonian and Finnish woman. The Russian women were easy to identify - they were the ones with pointy shoes and had Tits ! The ratio of women to men was not very good in comparison to other weekends.

I approached and spoke to an Estonian woman (7) mid 20s for about 10 mins. Things appeared to be progressing well. I was about to offer to buy her a drink when her bloody boyfriend turned up . I wished them a good night and moved over to the bar.

Whilst at the bar a number of women were making eye contact, but I recognised them from previous visits as ones who were 'serial drink scroungers', who disappear as soon as you buy them a drink.

I wondered round for a while looking for my next target. I spotted my victim and approached. She was a Finnish women (5.5 - 6) mid 30s. I spent the next 20 - 30 mins talking the usual rubbish, but did not get to far. It soon became apparent that she and her fiends were not for up for any male company that night, but were there to get completely drunk.

It was at his stage a spotted a young blonde in her early 20s wearing a red T-shirt. I thought initially she was a (6), but on closer viewing her skin complexion let her down and she was no better than (4.5). After speaking to her for a few minutes it became apparent she was working and was either drunk wired or both. I wasn't sure whether she was a semi or full pro. I said I was in the market. It was too noisy and crowded to talk so we went outside. She asked me to leave first as she did not want us to go out together. I found this slightly strange until I found out subsequently that security at the Amigo expect to receive something (money) from the local women who leave with a man, but do not arrive with one. Outside the Amigo I got a better look at the girl. Yes her face may have been a 4.5 but she had a nice little body on her. She agreed to 500EEK for a double, which was a little surprising, and we headed to the apartment.

I got her a drink and made her a sandwich whilst she was in the shower. She came out wrapped in a towel and we proceeded to the bedroom. I was disappointed when she removed the towel. She had a very nice body (6.5). Just about the right amount of meat on the bones not too much and not too little. Tits about 34C. Round one consisted of a very good BBJ followed by F/S cowgirl and mish. At this stage she appeared to be getting dressed to go. I asked her what she was doing. She had agreed a double for the price. She said her boyfriend (pimp?) was waiting. I thought oh shit this is all I need some irate man kicking the door in. I put the key in the lock and said I am not stopping you leaving, but I repeated she had agreed the price. She said the money was too little. On reflection I did think at the time it was a little light, so I said I would giver her a tip. She made a call and came back to the bed. Round 2 was BBJ mish and doggie. I paid her an extra 70 or 80 EEk and said that was all I had.

If it wasn't for the fact she had a boyfriend/pimp somewhere and the attempt to renege on the agreed deal I would have quite happily seen her again !!

The morning of my fourth and last full day commenced at 11:00 hrs about 4 hours after getting to bed. I had a meeting and working afternoon planned. Work was boring so I will skip the details. Had a nice late lunch in Pirita in a restaurant on the shore. The design of the place was similar to the hull of an upside down ship.

Met up with Dusty Bin and we went to the main square. Had some drinks and some food before going to Amigos. I was intending my last night in Tallinn not to be a very late one. The Amigo was quiet for a Sunday. I was expecting it to be busier but I could not be bothered to go elsewhere. Few local females were out.

I spotted a dark haired beauty sitting in the corner who appeared a likely prospect. Unfortunately she was approached by one of the Italian boys before I could make my move and he spent the next 45 mins talking to her. Dusty and myself went over to 2 blondes in the late 30s. When we tried to engage them in conversation they said they did not speak English.

Whilst back at the bar we saw 2 dark haired women arrive one was slim 30 - 35 the other with a great visible rack, appeared 35 -40. We started talking to them and things were going great guns. They disappeared to the toilets. We were waiting for them to return but nothing. Very strange both Dusty and myself looked at each other and said ‘that’s not happened to me before’.

The dark haired beauty seen earlier was on her own at this stage so I went over to her. Dusty said his goodbyes and departed. I am afraid it was a no go. Natalie made it plain she was off home very shortly, not up for a one nighter but was looking for a long term boyfriend. I took her phone number. You never know when it might come in handy!

I left the Amigo about 1/2 hour after Dusty. Outside about 100 meters from the Viru heading towards the old town, I was asked for a light by a black haired girl in her early to mid 20s, who said she was from the Ukraine (about a 5.5). She struck up a conversation, asked if I was interested in sex, but insisted she was not a pro. She said that it would normally cost 1000 EKK in a flat. I said no to this and was about to pitch a very low figure to see if she would bite, when our 2 friends who vanished from the Amigo appeared. The ones that disappeared. The thin one with the better English, Irinia, said she had to go back home as her baby sitter had called. She said she had a 5 year old daughter. To cut a long story short, after some negotiation, the one with the bid tits, Elena, came back to the apartment for 800EKK L/T.

Round One started when I joined her taking a shower. Shower gel and hands were exploring everywhere. BBJ under the running water followed by F/S doggie still in the shower.

Round Two in the bedroom. More BBJ and cowgirl. Round Three after a suitable rest was BBJ and doggie. By this stage I was fucked out and bone dry. I have to say she was one of the best fucks I have had for a very long time. It just proves my point that 30+ women are the best. They have generally ‘been around the block’ and know how to please. I paid her and got her phone number. When I told her a few of my friends would be interested in meeting her. She said she was happy for her phone number to be passed to them.

If anyone requires her number please PM me and I will oblige.

I am still trying to work out Elena and Irina. I think they were just a couple of amateurs who required some extra cash. I went to bed at 06:00 hrs, so much for my early night.

I left Tallinn a few hours later to go to another Baltic destination with a very satisfied smile on my face and vow to return as quickly as work and funds would allow.

I hope this and the previous report is not too long and boring and can be of assistance to some other fellow monger.

I have just been chompin at the bit to post this. I have never been to Talin ( although it is on my short list for a number of reasons ) and I actually live in Cancun, Mexico.

The reason for this post is to tell you that everything that has recently been said about the Italians is 100% true here too! They must be the same the world over. They have virutally no respect for the girls or for that matter for the guys they are with. Any one who disagrees is simply delusional or has never seen it first hand. If they act there like they do here, any beatings the Russian or Estonian boys lay on them is well deserved.

great report so far jake.... finally not some crap about which tourists are the worst, rather some action...

my latest adventure, i had some time off last friday, so drove out to pirita. went to club 4 (mannimae 4) - at about 1pm. doors were open so wandered in. one pretty hot bird watching tv. asked where the other girls were "its sleep time!"

she tried to sting me for 100 euro - but told here i had driven and always get better prices - how much she asked - i just told her 800eeks. no problems.

wasn't exactly gfe experience, no kissing, fingering or dinning, but she had a fantastic body and it was a very energtic time spent together. quick shower and sauna afterwoods and then headed off.

overall
looks: 8
body: 10
gfe: 4

not bad for a friday arvo, but i dont think i got my whole hour - rather when i was finished i was finished. its one thing, i must admit, with the apartments (well minimal number of them around now), you get good massage and 1 or 2 sessions in your hr.

one things for sure, if you know the game, you can see how much people can be ripped off. especially if they're pissed and going to these houses in a taxi.

tiger.

Ranskalainen,

When doing my research prior to my visits to Tallinn I looked at a number of hotels.

The Uniquestay was amongst the cheapest prices quoted for hotels but was too far out of the centre for my taste. I think the same applied to L'Ermitage.

I noticed the prices quoted for apartments reduced in either September or October, due to the end of the tourist season. Personally I would recommend an apartment very strongly having experienced both hotel and apartment stays. Some, if not most, hotels insist on booking in any 'extra' visitors spending the night. ID will be required by them to do this -can be very off putting and embarassing.

If you are looking for a hotel in particular, what are your main considerations ? Price ? Location ? Facilities ?

Besides the Red Group, other main companies dealing with apartment rental are Erel (www.erel.ee) and Cassandra (http://www.cassandra-apartments.com)

Attached is the address for apartments in Tallinn (Hope it works)

www.visitestonia.com/index.php?page=9&action=show_search&database=5&search=true&text=&region=1&county=0&type=25&lk=2&&lk=0


Tiger,

When looking at the girls listed on the Sihteeriopisto site for Tallinn, I found a large number based in Pirita. Any particular reason for this ?

Jake

Hello!
For one year ago there where a lot of apartments around Tallinn for quick and cheap sex. This where budget-places where an hour with a lady costed 500 eek. Many of them are gone, but is there any left? And how are the prices now?

Hello!

I'm going in TAllinn for an holidays and I would like to meet a nice girl for spend beautiful days together: Somebody can say me something about that? Somebody can recomand me a girl already meet? please let me know her name or let me know right places for find a girl in Tallinn.

Thank you

Hi,

I was in lesika a month ago and had 1 hour with an Estonian girl in the mid 20's, she was about 8 allover . She told me that it was her first time there and that most of the other girl where from rusia. Normally she worked in a place called something like max or mox. So if I wanted to meet here again I should not go to Lesika but Max. Does anybody know where Max is.

Paul

Well, autumn is here and schools have started. And it has brought action into "sponsorship scene". I have been looking for girls to offer short or long term (per night basis or monthly support) sponsorship, mostly from chat rooms.

For short term sponsorship story has been usually me plus some friends having party, where girl(s) are needed. Boys of course pay for drinks, snacks, tickets etc. It is very important not to start by talking of buying sex. Girls will understand the need of having sex anyway.

Since best target group is girls who have just moved away from home (need for financial support), age group is perfect, 18 to 21.

Girls feel this kind of "partying" interesting, usually they would do it anyway, but lack of funds makes them sit at home most of the weekends. Parties that involve having sex with new partners are common for these girls, and most services boys are looking for, including BBBJ are available almost without exception.

Long term sponsorship brings the cost of one night down, but requires long term interest and support reaching to the level of usual monthly salary (of student girl working in a bar/shop, not doctor). Solution is quite comfortable for both girl and boy, just probably unsuitable for most of first time tourists. Anyway tourists are not usually very interesting for amateur girls, since they can't provide longer term relationship (even it would be just sex and money exchanged). For tourist it is extremely important to have very good story (even better of course if it is true or close to true) of doing business in Estonia, investing to property, having local contacts and/or knowledge of local habits/history/society/language.

Girls can and will ask some questions about motives/wishes like: "why you pay for sex, can't you get it without money", "what I have to do for you / what you expect from me", "are you married / how can you cheat your wife", "are you just looking for sex", "have you done this before", "how much I will get". Is it best to have some answers ready.

May I bring two examples:

Short term sponsorship, 19yo, Tartu.

I was writing (mostly emails) with a girl from Tartu, studying last year in high school. She describe herself quite pretty, but not totally slim. Did not go to details (amounts, time spend etc) before meeting in person (usually wise thing).

Met her about two weeks ago with my friend Tuesday night. She agreed to come to our place for the night, have sex with both of us, only requirement being we would drop her to the school in the morning. On the way to our place we agreed on the amount.

Night started with some talking on the sofa, drinks and some snacks too. Rambo played some guitar and quite quickly she was naked between us, getting some massage. I felt the need to wash some private parts and the time I got back, Rambo was experiencing BBBJ. We changed and he continued with fingers, not just limiting to the first hole. The blow job I was experiencing was one of the best deep throats I have ever had. The same service attitude continued, all holes were in use, with circulation, and no matter in which order. These naughty games lasted until 5am.

Long term sponsorship, 19yo, Tallinn.

I first met this girl, coming from Tartu area, about one month ago. Slim, perfect ass, nice tits, beautiful face. The first time I had my fingers in her pants, discovering a very well shaved peach model, I knew, this was the perfect pussy I have been looking for years.

She came to Tallinn this autumn to start in University, had problems to find apartment etc. First 3-4 meetings were just watching films, talking, and looking for apartment and so on. She seemed quite inexperienced, very shy, didn't want to go through all things the first time.

Something interesting happened on 5th visit, started with listening Chris Isaak's Wicked Game on sofa, touching, kissing, headed for bedroom, played some finger games, drove her back to home for the rest of the night.

Sixth visit was first full night, mostly practicing tongue/language skills. She proved to be quite unexperienced, was her very first round of 69.

Street walkers in the old town heading up to the main square on an extremely quiet Sunday night. I looked and they said hello and the subject quickly came up but was extremely tired after three nights of heavy partying so declined.

What happened to the Avenue 24 hour bar? On Thursday I thought it was a gay bar at 3:00am. There used to be some action in there late and at least some non-pros to talk to.

There was an obvious pro in Bonnie and Clydes late Thursday but she wasn't very pretty. It was quiet in there too.

Found a great underground bar, that had no sign and most people would walk past, playing Britpop, by talking to two girls crossing the road outside the old town on the port side. It was at the junction of Olvimagi and Vene or Olevimagi and Uus, down some stairs guarded by a wall. This is a weekend place, was dead on Sunday and Monday. Went on to at least 6:00am. My friend had one of the girls who told us about it in tears after one date!

Venus on a friday seemed to be full of English and Italian guys and Estonian girls. Tried to pull the six foot blonde but was too drunk to have much chance or even a conversation!

Tallinn was a lot quieter than my previous visits in June and July in the last two years. Found it very difficult even to talk to someone in English, it used to be so easy!

Made my first trips to Tallin and Riga back in 97, and was in both places again in 2003, and the change is huge.

In 97 these countries were Pussy heaven, because there were so few tourists and the local people were much poorer than now, and the local women really wanted to meet foreign guys.

Now days, the women in these places have a very similar attitude to the women in the west.