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I'd be very skeptical of sponsorship unless you are rich and money is a non issue. Then I can't argue with it since there are surely some gorgeous girls looking for sponsors.

But from a cost perspective, it seems to have a lot of downside to me compared to using the same $ on a bunch of different girls. When I see a girl looking for a sponsor, I think of someone who wants to be taken to the most chic clubs, eat at the best restaurants and shop at the nicest stores, in exchange for the least amount of sex possible. For the girl it is a good deal. For the guy ... I am skeptical. Now if I were Donald Trump or a Russian oligarch, or a one woman man, then I might see it differently.

Also, a caveat, all people are different and I am speaking in generalizations, so I am sure that there are some wonderful, girls looking for sponsors as well as the golddiggers. Good luck.

I live in Tokyo, and occasionally you will see an old Japanese guy in his 60s or 70s with a sweet slim young blonde thing, probably Russian, on his arm. She looks a bit embarassed when she catches your glance. Judging from the way the guy behaves, I am sure they are married. She would need that to reside here for any length of time. She doubtlessly is supplementing her income (building up a reserve) by working in a hostess club or something similar...

I have personally never gotten too involved in the sponsorship game as it doesnt really match my lifestyle or my schedule.

I have contacted several though, and essentially girls looking for sponsorship are just clever pros.

Although many will do an overnight job or work for a couple of hours, most of them are looking for some kind of more permanent relationship. It is not exactly the same market as normal pros. They want guys who will give them a few thousand $ a month. For this money they are on-call fuckbunnies/escorts.

I find that an average-looking girl looking for sponsorship wants about $3000/month for her services. The better looking ones want more, the model-type considerably more. I even found one model that wanted $20,000 for a few hours, and she was dead serious. Thankfully she wasn't my type or I would have taken her immediately...:)

Upper tier sponsorship girls will occasionally do overnight (part-time work if you will), usually wanting at least $300+. The better looking ones wanted about $500. Some do hourly service for $100/hour with a two hour minimum, however the majority of the better-looking ones aren't really interested in a short-term deal. I am sure you can find ones that want less, but these are usually only average in looks.

In the end, they are not cheaper than normal pros. Where they might be of advantage is from a GFE standpoint, since you can build a relation with them. Things like BBBJ and kissing are par for the course if you are sponsoring them for more than just one night.

An interesting market is certainly "sponsoring" true amateurs, girls who aren't pros at all but need money. It will take some nerve to ask these girls if they need to earn some extra cash, but having some nerve will serve you well in Russia...

IT Travel posted some interesting info on short-term sponsorship in his recent Moscow reports, with pictures in the picture section. He seemed to do quite well and be happy with the results achieved.

One way or another sponsorship is to become “sugar daddy” ...I prefer toy boy...:) :)

I have come to Moscow for limited time, why do I hang out with only one girl. It doesn’t matter how many girls are willing or available. At the end you stick with one girl.

Moscow is full of opportunities...

My comments are not based on first hand experience but with observing obvious sponsor - sponsored couples in places like Magrib, where the girls look bored and aloof , and in the sponsor ads themselves. For instance nearly all "looking for sponsor" ads contain warning phrases like "cheap men need not respond" and "I am used to comfortable life and good things". Basically, they are setting the terms right up front that they expect to be treated like gold and given gold. If its one thing I don't want to deal with it it would be the "fuzzy" aspect of a sponsorship. First there is the up fixed cost, that is not too bad, you can negotiate that up front. But then there can be the subtle manipulation where every interaction she can pout and bring out the "I thought you were not cheap" thing on you. I had enough fuzzy manipulation in marriage.

To each his own. Personally, I think that many, note I said many, not all, girls looking for sponsors as "lazy *****s" who don't want to think of themselves as *****s, but still are willing to sell their bodies for money, and are actually more interested in you the more money you have to give. At least with regular *****s if we connect I know it is not because I am paying them MORE then other guys, nor am I paying for some future time. Its right there and now and if it is hot, it is hot withouth pretense. She is already paid and she doesn't have to put on a show. With a sponsorship you do not even have that "free moment". For all you know when she is acting hot it is just to prime you for for the next shopping spree. But again, if you have a big wallet and like the company of a beauty, and who doesn't, then yes vive le difference. And to be honest, if I had money to burn, I would give it a whirl and see if I hit the jackpot.

I have been surprised not to see much talk here about drug use/addiction by the p4p girls. I would have assumed that was a big factor in driving so many girls into prostitution. It certainly strikes me as an important potential risk factor for us, both from a health and personal security point of view. Are many of the girls addicts, or is that just some classes, like street walkers or line-up girls?

GT,

Maybe just my luck, but I've never met a single pro that obviously used any hard drugs like heroin or crack or anything.

Pot, X, coke etc. are in fairly common use in Russia as anywhere, but not more so by prostitutes in my opinion. Many pros dont even drink. In fact, the vast majority of pros I met looked quite healthy all around. I also felt pros in Russia looked healthier than the ones I met in Ukraine. I honestly think most pros want to keep their wits about them in such a potentially dangerous environment.... that is being in a strange apartment and essentially at the mercy with one or more men. I often actually wish my pros would drink more than they do, but alas lately most dont drink more than a glass or two of Martini, Baileys or beer.

You will find drug-abusing pros if you look hard enough however, like down by the train stations or drug-abuser hangouts like certain public parks (every city has them), but usually these girls arent present in the stream of pros we are exposed to, at least not in Moscow and St.Pete.

This likely has to do with the fact that the kind of prostitution we are exposed to is highly regulated and that a drug-abusing or sick pro is a bad product. Moscow's mainstream form of street prostitution, the tochka, is highly regulated and although the girls may be quite rough, I never met any that where in really rough physical shape.

The worst looking pros I have ever seen were in Ukraine (particularly Odessa), Gypsies Bulgaria, China, Thailand and Hong Kong. Then again, I've never been to Tijuana.

If you are desperate to meet drug-abusing diseased pros, try Russia's highways and exterior roads... the truck driver circuit. You can get laid there for a couple of bucks... and catch any disease you fancy.

I realize that poor health and drug abuse aren't always easy to detect, but it is a factor that I dont think is more prominent in Russia than in other places and in fact may be less prominent, especially in the normal prostitution circles. Just my 2 cents.

One week before i have received an email from ALINA BELCHIKOVA.
this girl lived in Irstrusk and wanted to live abroad with a guy.
As i am suspisious i echanged several mail but her mails was very basic but the photos beautiful (see the attachment).
She made long letters without answering me directly. I think that i was in a list.
And today she wrote me saying that she is in moscow and she need money by western union to buy her ticket.

i must admit that all was well done and if you are a little bit weak you can beleive her.
So guys, keep away from her you will save your money.

MR

Sorry but there is no cure for this addiction…

The passion and beauty of Russian women already affect you. Once you got it there is no turning back. Not only their beauty or natural sexuality but also their warm and desirable company forces you to bind them.

This affects you more in a normal relation with non-pro Russian woman. I was charmed at first sight and since than have a serious relation with one in last 5 months and now non-Russian women look too ordinary in all means.

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RENTING AN APARTMENT IN Ukraine or Russia…

One of the common questions that I see on both Russia and Ukraine threads is whether to book a hotel or an apartment when you visit Odessa, Moscow, Kiev, St. Petersburg, et. al. In my opinion, apartment living is really the only way to enjoy the Former Soviet Union, FSU, without being subjected to high hotel rates, sometimes poor service and a possible lack of privacy that most Western travelers find unacceptable.

Over the years, much has been written about the advantages and disadvantages of apartment and hotel accommodations in the former Soviet Union (FSU), but little has been written about what to look for in an apartment…

Over the last three years in Moscow and Odessa operating an apartment rental business and several years before traveling in the FSU, I have visited at least 300 apartments either as a guest or a potential tenant. In that time, I have formed many opinions and tried to solve them with my apartment rental company. BUT, what I have just realized is that the average traveler, especially one who has never traveled to the FSU, may not understand the significance of some of the more important, for the FSU, features of a true Western/European-style apartment with the owner/operator from either Europe or the USA.

This primer is based on my observations and may not be complete, but it may help you begin to understand the significance and important questions to ask the person who you are considering renting an apartment from in Ukraine or Russia…

For the average traveler to the FSU, their first contact with a company who rents apartments or with the apartment itself is from viewing photos on the internet. Typically the person likes some feature about the company and/or the apartment. However, the first thing that you should know is that what is inside of the four walls that comprise the apartment should only be one of your concerns and no matter how beautiful the apartment is there are many other factors which will all combine to make your stay either comfortable and enjoyable or… a long nightmare!

Your first “real” view of the apartment building may come when you arrive after your long trip to Russia or Ukraine. When you realize that you are going live in “that” building, and hopefully to bring guests to it, because of your exhaustion you may find yourself in denial. You remember that the photos of the interior of the apartment are nice and everything appears so… so organized! Yet, now you look at the building and you see make-shift structures on the side of your building and others nearby… Laundry is hanging out the windows… Balconies look like they will fall if a fly lands and squats for more than a second… You find yourself asking yourself… HOW CAN THIS BE?

To begin, most apartments in Ukraine and Russia were present during the Soviet Union which means that many of the other building residents probably lived in their nearby apartments for years or decades before you arrive. One of the offshoots of this reality is that during Soviet times; NO ONE cared about the common areas of the building or around the building.

This means that the outside of the building, the entrance, stairways, elevators and halls will have most likely endured decades of abuse by both residents and non-residents. This abuse will include trash, graffiti, broken rails/steps, lack of lighting, non-functional elevators, foul odors, dogs and cats and other unexplained ominous conditions… just to name a few.

This situation may be first apparent when you see the entry door to the building. The entry doors to the majority of FSU buildings are in the rear or in a courtyard which can be more isolated than a front entry. The actual entry door will probably be designed to be “secure” or coded, but what does this mean to you?

When you first arrive, you may find the “secure” door wide open or the “secret” code well worn on the numbers so that it takes a local, resident or not, about 5 milliseconds to open the secure door because they know the technique… However, when you arrive home from the market on the first day or late at night with your bride for the night or after attempting to corner the market on vodka at the nearest watering hole, it will take you several minutes, which can seem like hours, and may require a call for help, which is OK… as long as they speak English!

You may ask… Is it really that bad? No, it can get worse, once you get into the building, you may find that it is totally dark, even in the day time! So once in, you may be faced with transiting the strange stairs and halls without light and then inserting your key into the keyhole… all by feel!

However, as bad as the building entry, stairs, elevator, and hall are, you may be surprised at how nice the apartment is… IF it has been remodeled to Western or European-quality standards. Otherwise, you may find a Soviet-style apartment that has been cleaned up, hopefully, and is functional and, hopefully, comfortable. One thing that is common to every Soviet-style apartment, and many newly remodeled apartments as well, is the lack-of screens on the windows! This is not a problem when the snow is flying, but in the other three seasons, if you want some fresh air you will soon find that you are on the day’s menu for every mosquito and biting fly in the nearby oblast! Now you may say that you can easily get by with the window closed… Easy to say when you are sitting at home making reservations, but difficult to achieve when the babushka downstairs or down the hall begins making her daily ration of cabbage soup or begins her regimen of seasonal pickling of various root vegetables!

NO… It can’t be that bad… Can it? No, it can get worse! You’ll soon find that the apartment owner either has not spent the money or did not consider it important to set the apartment up for the constant nemesis of shortages in the FSU… Whether it is water pressure, water supply, no hot water, no water, no heat, no air conditioning, no internet, no washing machine, no toaster, no microwave, no long distance telephone calls, just to name a few of the more common challenges.

Of course, EVERY apartment is open to any problem, but the most frustrating thing is when you call the apartment service you used to rent the apartment only to find that they have to contact the local landlord and ask… WHY? WHEN? WHY SO LONG? I thought YOU were the owner?

All of this time, you are the one suffering when you have NO water… NO hot water… NO water pressure, etc. etc. etc. While it may not seem important when you book, it may become the focal point of your “vacation” when you find you must endure a cold shower just when your hormones and, more importantly, your bride for the night’s hormones are raging and juices are flowing… UNTIL THAT COLD SHOWER SHOCKS EVERYONE BACK TO REALITY!

I know… but it can’t be that bad… Can it??? No, it can still get worse! You see, the apartment service may be the nicest people on earth, BUT if they do not own the apartment, they have to deal with and through the local Russian/Ukrainian landlord who will not see any urgency in a situation that they have had to deal with since they were in swaddling clothes! In fact, any Ukrainian or Russian landlord OR apartment rental company operated by Russians or Ukrainians, even if they have lived in the west, will have a different attitude towards solving your problems in the apartment than you are used to in the West because they understand that THIS IS A FACT OF LIFE in the FSU and is viewed as normal and not an emergency.

The only time I have seen Russian or Ukrainian landlords or apartment providers respond immediately to ANYTHING, is if something is flooding because they know they are libel IF damage is caused to a neighbor’s downstairs apartment!

In reality, this can still be a problem even if the apartment service owns the apartment IF they do not have personnel on staff to deal with these problems, i.e. electricians, plumbers, handyman, because they must still call and get a local service man to recognize the sense of urgency that you feel to solve the problem.

Of course, many times it is not the major problem that really tips you over the edge… It is the small things that a Westerner takes for granted when they check into new accommodations while traveling. Little things like…
paper towels… a fresh bar of soap, in a wrapper… a cork screw… multiple rolls of toilet paper… a toaster… a hair dryer… a personal safe… trash cans... just to name a few!

BUT, my biggest frustration in all of my times renting apartments before I got in the apartment rental business, is the bed linen! It seems that Ukrainian and Russian landlords tend to buy the cheapest sheets that are available, which equates to the smallest! Combine that with the fact that fitted sheets are either not available or not used by locals and all of a sudden you have the “Perfect Storm”! I’ve actually had the apartment providers lay a sheet on the mattress, the bare mattress without a mattress cover or pad! If you can visualize the bottom sheet laying on top of the mattress… the edge of the mattress is actually framing the sheet since the sheet is too small to even attempt to tuck in. BUT, even if the sheet can be tucked in, it is usually so small that after you are in bed, if you make any move other than scratching your nose twice, you’ll soon wake up sleeping on at least part of the bare mattress. In my mind, that is when the nightmares really start because if you are on the bare mattress, WHO ELSE has been on the same bare mattress AND doing what???? People… This is not my definition of SAFE SEX!!!

SO… What do you do and how do you as a first-time visitor to Ukraine/Russia help prevent this from happening to you?

I have prepared a list of questions that you may want to ask your potential apartment provider if it is not covered on the website:

1. Where is the apartment located? Is the area safe? How far is the nearest market? How far from public transportation.

2. What is the front entry door on the building like? What is security like? What is the building like?

3. How much does the airport transfer cost? To? From?

4. Who owns this apartment? Is the owner local in the area? What nationality is the owner? Does he speak English? Will you provide me the phone number of the owner?

5. What happens if I should cancel the reservation after I make a deposit? Are your terms and conditions of rental published on your website? What if I have to depart early? May I use my credit card to pay the deposit? To pay the full bill upon arrival? Do you have your own merchant account or must I use PayPal? I’ve been told PayPal is not accessible in Ukraine or Russia for credit cards issued in the USA/Europe/Canada… is this true?

6. Do you use city central service heat? Hot water? Will the heat/hot water/water be shut off at anytime during my stay? What will you do if it is? Does the apartment have its own boiler for hot water? Heat? Can I control the heat in the apartment myself? Can I control the hot water in the apartment myself?

7. Does the apartment have a back-up water supply? What is the situation with the water pressure? Do you have a pump in the apartment to supplement the water pressure? What happens if the water is shut off?

8. Who do I call if something breaks in the apartment? How long is a typical response? Do you have workmen on the payroll yourself? What kind of workman?

9. Are there lights in the building hallway? What happens if the lights are out in the building stairs/halls?

10. Are there animals on the floor of the apartment? Do the hallways smell? Is the entrance door kept open or is it always locked and secure?

11. Is there an air conditioner? How often do you clean the A/C filters? Are there screens on the windows?

12. Do the bottom sheets fit the bed? Are they fitted sheets? Do the mattresses have mattress pads?

13. Is the apartment equipped with…

a. Paper towels
b. Toilet paper
c. Waste baskets
d. Towels… how many? Can I get extra towels?
e. Laundry soap
f. Bath soap
g. A personal safe
h. Toaster
i. Coffee maker
j. Microwave oven
k. Washing machine

14. If I have a problem, who do I call? 24 hours every day?

15. How thick are the walls? Can I hear the people next door snoring?


These questions and answers may help you to weed out the undesirable locations, apartments, landlords, or apartment service providers. Many of the questions have answers that only you will know the answer because it may or may not be important to you, but many of them have set answers that should be an immediate red flag. For instance, unless an apartment provider has published terms and conditions, you are virtually assured that once they have your deposit, you will never see it again. Of course, sometimes they even tell you that up front!

In addition, if the apartment uses city central heat and hot water, but does not have an individual boiler and a backup water supply, you could find yourself without hot water during the warmer months or without water at any time. Of course, even a back-up water supply will only last so long, but at least it will help smooth out the short outages that are so common in the FSU.

The other really bad situation for you is when you’ve done your homework and booked an apartment only to arrive and find that you are in a totally different apartment. Now, please understand that this is sometimes unavoidable because bad things sometimes happen and an apartment has to be taken out of service or if it is not owned by the apartment rental company, the landlord decides to rent it to someone else. In this case, you must have a comfort level with the integrity of the apartment rental company to be secure that they will put you into an apartment that is of equal or higher standard than the one that you booked.

The last point I will emphasize is that throughout this I mention the nationality of the owner of the apartment service rental company or the landlord. This is not to imply that the person who is not American or European is a bad person, but rather that there could be communication problems along the way if the person does not speak English as well as they speak Russian or Ukrainian. The person may be a very nice person, but they just do not understand and have difficulty communicating or understanding the situation. At the same time, it can be difficult for someone to understand a high-level of customer service if they have either never experienced it and therefore have no role model for its use or they just see no need for customer service in the first place… after all “THIS” is how it has been done in Russia/Ukraine for the past century!

One last caution… Testimonial letters on apartment rental companies are probably one of the most abused things on the Internet. I laugh when I see my competitors with perfectly written letters supposedly written by their guests and I see the same phrases used that are used in the website pages and with the same words misspelled! I understand that it can be tempting to put in letters from your friends and/or to clean up the letters so that they are perfect and say just what you want them to say! BUT, it doesn’t necessarily give the reader an honest opinion of the service and quality of what is being delivered. On top of this, it is very, very unusual for a testimonial to be “perfect”. Normally it is hastily written and grammatical and spelling errors are common, but in my opinion, that makes them real! For that reason, I make sure that the testimonials that go on our website go on with all of the “warts” exposed. If the guest misspelled a word, it stays, if the letter is both positive and negative, you will see it all. Only the personal items relevant to that particular guest’s information may be edited out.

Now, all of that said, I want to emphasize that renting an apartment is the ONLY way to go in Ukraine and Russia… It is more cost effective, more private, and can be more satisfying and comfortable IF you do your homework. For the most part, apartment rental companies that I have worked with are OK people… they are not out to cheat you, but rather they just don’t have the same standards that you are used to and this may be reflected in their properties, their service and their actions… THIS IS YOUR CHALLENGE!

Thanks for the input, CAT.

I think that staying at an apartment definitely has its advantages. The most obvious ones being cheaper and freebies feeling more comfortable to come over as opposed to come to a hotel and be mistaken as prostitutes.

But one thing always bothers me and has actually stopped me from staying in an apartment is I don't feel safe in there. I know my belongings and safety would be fine if I stay at a reputable hotel. But I just don't feel comfortble staying at apartments I found on the web, partucularly the apartments in Russia! I just don't know if somebody is gonna steal my stuff (money, IDs) or even worse, kidnapp me while I'm sleeping. Afterall, this is Russia. I would probably feel comfortable renting an apartment for a short stay in the US but I just don't feel comfortable doing the same in Russia.

I have stayed at Rick's apartments because I had heard of him on this forum. I think he's ok but I don't trust the people that work for him. I don't think they're honest. Well, let's just say I know they're not :-(

I was shown a few apartments in Minsk. They were so much cheaper than Hotel Minsk. But I just couldn't get rid of the thought that as soon as I move in there and go out for a walk, all my stuff would be gone. Think about this for a second, you're in a foreign country, and we're not talking US, Canada,etc... You don't speak the language, and the local people and police are not known for their honesty. I'm not saying they're all dishonest or criminals. I'm sure most apartment operators are fine. But I think it's a legit concern that one feels a bit uneasy, particularly people new to Russia.

Still, apartments' relative cheaper rates will keep me coming back. I need the extra cash for girls :-(

ch... your concern is not unreasonable or unusual! obviously there are people and companies in every city in the world who are not honest. that said, most apartment rental companies survive on word of mouth... in today's world, a few bad comments about something that happened to you in minsk or st. petersburg can kill a company renting apartments. so, from that standpoint, most companies will not knowingly put you at risk because they have more to lose than some cash and a watch. so, for the most part, i wouldn't worry about that.

at the same time, most apartments whether they are owned by the apartment rental company or a local have the apartment set up to be secure from the inside. if it isn't, then you have reason to worry, but in reality, most russian and ukrainians are more worried about security than you are!

however, it you don't stay out in the boondocks and stick to the center of the city you should be safe... perhaps even safer than staying in a fancy western hotel because thieves tend to prey on the guests because they have money as demonstrated by the fact that they are in a hotel. why should they waste their time around an apartment building mostly filled with russians who may not have a pot to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] in?

speaking only about odessa, moscow and kiev, i have walked around at all hours of the night and i've never had a single problem. i have also not had a major problem in spb, but i know personally enough people who have had problems and have read enough papers to know that spb is not a generally safe city and should be considered dangerous to tourists.

overall though, i will tell you that you probably have nothing to worry about, but that said, apartments may not be for everyone.

I have been mongering in 3 continents and several cities; become addicted the sinful company of beautiful women (EE girls preferred) and finally date with a mamushka.

I have been reading “Call Girl” by Jeannette Angell; 32 years old college professor who studied and though anthology, religion and literature, became escort due to her financial problems.

Since I‘ve begun to read this book, I kept asking this same question: What a freak I am? Am I one of those lonely guy who deny to admit their fears to meet new people (woman) and convince themselves to meet with escorts like a real date.

I have some answers, but never enough to be make sure that they are the right ones. Maybe this is the beauty of mystery that life plays or tricks us.

Maybe this is what the author expects to create on readers.

I recall someone posted something along the lines of "I want your sweet, wet pussy" or something like that in Russian a while ago but I couldn't seem to find it. Can someone tell me how to say it in Russian again? "I want your sweet, wet pussy" Thanks!

Also, how do you say blowjob and "I want to eat your pizda"?

Well, firstly I am not a newbie in Russia, having spent five years working in Moscow, and speak some Russian. Know the Moscow scene extremely well, but have now bowed out from Moscow as I resigned from my Corporate Position and am now idling my time in France debating what to do next. Money isn't a BIG issue here but really need advice.

Can anyone advise any other city where I can hang out for 6 months, that has hot chicks and where I can rent a reasonable apartment? I know Nizhny Novgorod (a dump), Kaliningrad (ok'ish), Voronezh (scary) and Volgograd (the best of the bunch) but they didn't strike me as mongering cities really. I don't really want St Petes as its too touristy (Moscow is getting overrun with foreigners as it is).

I would consider Moldova/Ukraine (any other ideas?) - just some largish town/city, nice cheap apartments (not looking for Western Remont) and where there are FEW tourists but PLENTY of hot women. Has to be EE as I can speak OK Russian and thats always a help.

I had Sochi as an idea - could be a great one - but REALLY need advice. Also if one of you guysd wants to join me we can share an apartment - looking at 4 months (can vary) starting in the next week or so.

Cheers guys!