Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

Tipping does present some hazard to your wallet if the girl decides she has some leverage over you. If she thinks you don't really have a particular yen for her and just tend to tip any good-server a lot, then it doesn't give her that much leverage.By contrast even if you tip little, but act extremely interested in her specifically - such as going back to see her over and over, calling her to check availability a lot, etc. - you may find her asking for extra money. Such as 'oh my rent is due please help' - that sort of thing.The key to not being taken advantage of is more to avoid showing too much preference for a girl than it is about tipping - tipping can be a part of appearing to be 'too into' a girl, but it isn't always.Contrary to my reputation as a cheap charlie I do usually tip a bit for good service, unless the woman is so undesirable (old) that it is reasonable to expect absolutely top service for a very basic price.

[QUOTE=Daddy07]Hey, Nic: Did you get up in a bad mood again today, telling us to “shut the fuck up” and all? [/QUOTE]Nah, I'm just in a "challenging" mood today :Dbesides, if someone in ISG is going to be offended by this, then I would like to see what kind of sad real life they are living that they have to take the ISG so seriously.Anyhow, yeah, I got up on the left foot today... and no sex so far (very unusual for me) :)

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]...Anyhow, yeah, I got up on the left foot today... and no sex so far (very unusual for me) :)[/QUOTE]Froggy,May I recommend Tulips, Snow White and Mango to you? I draw you a map, if you need it!Don't go to Annies :) !!!Giotto

[QUOTE=Giotto]Froggy,May I recommend Tulips, Snow White and Mango to you? I draw you a map, if you need it!Don't go to Annies :) !!!Giotto[/QUOTE]Are you blind? what's the Title of this Thread? We are not supposed to talk about Tulip or Annies... or LL !!!! about the others: Snow white my ass, the girls are brown! and Mango isn't my favourite fruit, I far prefer Goyave ;) :D :D

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]... and Mango isn't my favourite fruit, I far prefer Goyave ;) :D :D[/QUOTE]Great choice, but alas for those who are interested, nobody on Earth is rich enough to fuck me anally! I might allow rimming though, if you are generous enough! :D

In our own ways, i think we are all agreeing with each other in some shape or form, i didn't mean to start a war, although admittedly i did go over the top on Barko, apologies Barko, peace out, lets move on.

Your quote: "YES it is ALL about the money, we agree on that, but large tips/overtipping does not necessarily mean you'll get better service next time over someone who tips what they expected/usually get.Sorry, I just respectfully disagree with that, and I base my opinion on 30 + years of mongering all over the world (with the noticeable exception of south America).No one here advertises OVER tipping, whatever that means. But a good tip to acknowledge good service in a culture where this is expected is the right thing to do, together of course with an attitude of respect to the provider. And this definitively results in a better repeat session. 2 examples: Once in Singapore, in one of the fishbowls house in Geylang, where a 10 SG tip is expected, I just forgot. The girl was very upset, not only because she may have lost income, but also because she thought she may have done something wrong. 2) In Japan, where the waiter will run after you in the street to give you back your change if you leave some, I apply the local culture and give a box of chocolate to my provider. Call it a tip or not, who cares, that's teh same to me, but I guarantee you that I get a very warm welcome when I return.At the end, it is a question of mentality: Some ( not necessarily you, i don't know anything about you), but others like our so-called Pro, think that it is a "war between them and us". Not for me. It's a pleasure game, and, with the money that I have earned honestly all those years, I can afford to make both my provider and I happy, within, of course, reasonable limits. Don't get me wrong, I hate being ripped off, that's another debate, but paying a bit more for what i consider a better service, if absolutely fine with me. And I don't accept anyone telling me that this is not true for me, it has worked wonders everywhere in the world since decades.My 2 cents.

@ Dreams > If we all agreed on everything life would be boring ! Hence forums of info and debate, i respect your take, i have no reason to doubt your experiences, and you do have a vast amount of more time in the field than i do, its just my experience hasn't been the same as yours...but hey, life is different.And in case it's been lost, i am a tipper, but for experience i expect i tend to keep the tip to the 'norm', naturally for above and beyond a larger tip is justified, no argument there. I do keep seeing the 'respect' word in quite a few of these 'tipping' posts though, i'm not sure i agree that a larger tip = showing more respect or vice versa. Respect can be shown in many ways, not sure how giving bigger tips gives more respect.But anyway, this is the MP thread, so i don't won't to labour the point anymore !

[QUOTE=Meaty]@ Dreams > If we all agreed on everything life would be boring ! Hence forums of info and debate, i respect your take, i have no reason to doubt your experiences, and you do have a vast amount of more time in the field than i do, its just my experience hasn't been the same as yours...but hey, life is different.And in case it's been lost, i am a tipper, but for experience i expect i tend to keep the tip to the 'norm', naturally for above and beyond a larger tip is justified, no argument there. I do keep seeing the 'respect' word in quite a few of these 'tipping' posts though, i'm not sure i agree that a larger tip = showing more respect or vice versa. Respect can be shown in many ways, not sure how giving bigger tips gives more respect.But anyway, this is the MP thread, so i don't won't to labour the point anymore ![/QUOTE]Yes indeed, differences make life more enjoyable. And it is good that we can discuss those things without insulting each other, as it happens...sometimes on other threads. I am quite sure that, at the end, we think more or less alike..Peace and fun.

It?s not a financial war, it?s about having fun.I feel sorry for the poor cow that gets you at night, being drained of every ounce of life and respect she might have had followed by being financial ridiculed. What a piece of work you are.Now taking back some of it, I would be a liar if I said I did not agree with some of your posts on every forum on the planet. Now back to reality. The places that you visit, or own *I am still discussing this with the jury* do you actually tip ever?[QUOTE=The Pro]I tip the exact going rate and not a baht more.[/QUOTE]Fee for the time in the room to the house plus 1500 for full service fee to the girl and then you tip what?[QUOTE=The Pro]I tip the exact going rate and not a baht more.[/QUOTE]Of course you only tip if you have had a heart stopping, blow me away, drop dead, incredible I am going to die now experience, we know this.In you last post you explained [QUOTE=The Pro]I tip the exact going rate and not a baht more.[/QUOTE]How much do you tip? I am interested in knowing. Give me a figure so I can add it to your payment matrix.

Visited Eden this week! I still maintain that it's Great Fun. It does turn out expensive. Guys can come 5 times or more(not me, for Heaven's Sake); no one complains. You want to do kinky stuff, thats up to you. I think I'll stick to one instead of two, would be paying more, no doubt; but of good service I'm assurred. So, kindly don't write off Edens.My favourites Eden and Tulip. Annie's is a very close third(but that is no disqualification) and I like Annie's very much too.I have not tried Mango/ Snow White and if there are any recommendations, I would be glad and happy to know, because time for my trip is running out.As the Wise say, "About tomorrow, who knows? "

[QUOTE=Goyave]Great choice, but alas for those who are interested, nobody on Earth is rich enough to fuck me anally! I might allow rimming though, if you are generous enough! :D[/QUOTE]No worries mate. He can fuck you orally just fine.

[QUOTE=Suntangh R]I have not tried Mango/ Snow White and if there are any recommendations, I would be glad and happy to know, because time for my trip is running out.As the Wise say, "About tomorrow, who knows? "[/QUOTE]Been to both Snow White and Mango. Was going to go to Mango again last night but ended up with a freebie instead. The girl I had, Bo, at Mango was fun and good for me. I believe that chemistry is a big part of these things which is why I state that she was good for me. YMMV

[QUOTE=Pita123]No worries mate. He can fuck you orally just fine.[/QUOTE]Sorry, it's not on my menu either, but if you find it hard to swallow, I might have something else that is perfectly adequate for you in order to achieve that second purpose. :D[QUOTE=Suntangh R]Visited Eden this week! I still maintain that it's Great Fun. It does turn out expensive. Guys can come 5 times or more(not me, for Heaven's Sake); no one complains. You want to do kinky stuff, thats up to you. I think I'll stick to one instead of two, would be paying more, no doubt; but of good service I'm assurred. So, kindly don't write off Edens....[/QUOTE]I haven't visited Eden recently (to be honest, my latest visit was several years ago, so, things might have changed a lot since). The concept is interesting, the menu is great, the girls do their best in order to please you, but:- most of the girls are (IMHO) just average (and sometimes below average) in looks, at least among those allowing anal. I once saw a girl there that I would have rated with a 7/10 mark, alas, she was on the wrong side of the yellow line;- performance is a bit too "mechanical" for my taste, and the lesbian activities look often fake to me (I mean, it looks like a show, and that the girls are not really into it, not like "real" bisexual women, IMHO)... and some moans too, occurring very early in the session (even before something justifying them has happened), seem unnatural to me. Fake moans (especially when they are premature) are a big turn off for me; they just have the reverse effect they are supposed to have as I would need more time (and other kind of stimulation) then to get really excited. But it's undoubtedly a place that a fellow monger should try at least once in his life if he has the opportunity to go to Bangkok as it would certainly allow him to fulfill most of his sexual fantasies.

Yes, but this is Thailand, a country where tipping is done only on the basis of to show how rich you are (its crept in as rich Thai's become more "international"). Its the old "I have a bigger cock than you do" game and all about richness. You will see some rich Thai's giving all the bellboys 500 baht for carrying a few bags when you do stay at Elite hotels. They do this purely for show. This is why you will see Thai women love to have lots of diamonds, lots of gold, lots of jewellery, Thailand is a place of show.Tipping in general has come in with the tourists, who did not know any better and started tipping people, and then it became an expectation of every tourist they see.In general for resturants if the bill includes a service charge, you do not leave any tips.You do not tip the servers at McDonalds and you do not tip the girls working in a supermarket etc. When it comes to sexual services you agree a fee, or the fee is set out in front of you in a menu or you know the fee and you pay it. There is no need for any extra.So yes, I do not "tip". Oilies the girl gets 1500 baht for FS. Does not matter if its Soi 8, Soi 24, Tulip or Mango. And does not matter if I had 1 pop, 2 pops, 3 pops, anal or anything else. Its 1500 baht.The girl provies excellent service because she wants YOU to come back to her and be a regular. You should not be paying HER more to attempt to get better service next time.Now I agree, if you smell, are pig ugly, 300 pounds or more in weight, have serious issues with your personality, are just a bad person etc. Then she may not give you excellent performance as she does not want you to come back, in this case some people will attempt to bribe the girl by giving a tip and then hoping that she wants to see him again.1500 baht for FS is great money for these girls. The trouble is most "tourists" never see the Thai side of life. On the Thai side of life where these girls come from 500 baht for FS is the norm, sometimes 300 baht. When they jump into the "farang" side of the tourist arena they cannot beleive they get 1500 baht for FS, its just so much money.But once they get into the farang scene they get spoilt, they suddenly get the odd big tipper and then they expect more and more, they get more and more greedy and the farang scene coverts nice girls into being the money hungry girls you read in the media that they paint all Thai girls with. Its very wrong, its only the girls exposed to the farang "money is God" syndrome that get messed up and then they mess up farangs.Same old thing, tourists from afar who have no clue about Thailand and come and experience the "farang" scene end up trying to portray that as everything there is and there is nothing else.You can guess for example why some "establishments" target USA based customers. They know most have no clue about tipping in Thailand, they know most have no clue about value for money in Thailand. And so they target USA based newbies as they are the "prefect" customer for overpaying and overtipping.So yes, you can say, when it comes to commercial sex in Thailand, I as a rule never tip a single satang more. There is no need to, no need whatsoever.People who do tip are not "helping the poor girl" most girls will blow most of the money on gambling and drink. Some are clever enough to save, most are not. The gambling debts and the drink drive the girls to need more money, to ask for bigger tips and to rip off more farangs for more money.When you "spoil the market" there are consequences, there always are. In the case of "over tipping' you start the girl down the slippery slope of greed, of wanting more and more and more.So in answer to your question, at any oily its ;1500 baht for the girl. 400 baht to the house for 1 hour (or 800 for 2 hours) AND NOTHING MORE.1500 baht for the girl is her tip, its the market rate and there is no need to tip anymore and I do not.If you want to throw your money away, then give it to the street kids in Bangkok. At least their "handlers" can enjoy some good whiskey with the money..[QUOTE=Imac Hunt]It's not a financial war, it's about having fun.I feel sorry for the poor cow that gets you at night, being drained of every ounce of life and respect she might have had followed by being financial ridiculed. What a piece of work you are.Now taking back some of it, I would be a liar if I said I did not agree with some of your posts on every forum on the planet. Now back to reality.The places that you visit, or own *I am still discussing this with the jury* do you actually tip ever?Fee for the time in the room to the house plus 1500 for full service fee to the girl and then you tip what?Of course you only tip if you have had a heart stopping, blow me away, drop dead, incredible I am going to die now experience, we know this.In you last post you explainedHow much do you tip? I am interested in knowing. Give me a figure so I can add it to your payment matrix.[/QUOTE]