Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1844069]I beg to differ. GoGo gal's performance pales in comparison to what you get at oilies, where a well polished skill set, rimming, CIM, DFK, MSOG, good attitudes, getting performance for the full time you pay for is standard. And in many cases A+ is available. I frequented GoGos back in the "Good Ole Days" and even then the best gals were not up to the performance standards one gets in the PSE oilies today.[/QUOTE]You're talking about specific acts, not level or maybe I should have said quality of performance. I have found that the quality of FS and BBBJ CIM I have gotten with go-go girls is WAY better than the best of either I have ever gotten in an oily, most of which were mechanical, misguided auto-pilot disasters.

But, yes, if I were looking for a girl to rim my butt with her tongue (doubtful that I ever would, but just saying), I would go to an oily to find her, not a go-go bar.

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;1843972]What I understood form the reports is "Never bargain / consider a Freelancer for LT even if she is looking like a stunner". The reason behind this is obvious & known to all. Instead bargain with them for ST and while bargaining surely mention that you might continue LT with them if they perform well in ST. [/QUOTE]I don't know dude. In all of these years I can not really remember having a bad performing FL in Thailand. And in general all I do is FL and LT. Just to give a margin of error I will say there have been 2 bad performers out of hundreds in the last 11 years. Now if we were talking about Dominican Republic then that would be good advice. But in my experience bad performance from a Thai FL is few and far between.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1844042]Was there last night. Almost all of the women are old. I would say the average age in the evenings is over 40 with some clocking in at well over 50. Pretty scary actually. There is always a few gals worth taking though.[/QUOTE]Without even thinking too much about age, I have visited Biergarten several times, but never actually took a girl from there. May have visited at non ideal time. Maybe found the place a little boring. Probably my fruitless search for a stunner interfered with relaxing and enjoying myself properly.

I have enjoyed spending a bit of time at a bar like Stumble Inn a bit more so, but did find that spending any length of time there used up money with limited rewards. Its okay For guys needing a bit of female company I guess.

I have had some really pathetic experiences with freelancers, and only a very small number of free lancers were ever worth repeating. This is quite the opposite of Mr Enternational, who never had a bad one. Maybe his selection method is far better than mine and I am too looks oriented (not that I can really see the body properly).

I have also met some freelancers of amazingly nice character. One or two from Thermae many years ago come to mind. Not necessarily best bodies but very superior attitude. The real part timers, just a bit short of money at some point, were probably the best for attitutude. I would be doubtful about free lancers that work every day at the same spot. In that case, probably just looking for quick Baht could be the norm.

The only time I ever met a really stunning freelancer, she was outside my Hotel after midnight, I had just returned from a fuck, and badly needed some sleep before catching a very early flight. Worst possible scenario, so I passed. Recently have met a good looking free lancer or two. Don't like the pushiness of one of them, and whining if did not buy her a drink. The other was no fun on the bed.

My overall view of freelance. Can be very cheap, but the quality ain't there. It's easier to just go to an Oily MP and view the line up, unless you want to spend a lot of time chatting girls up first.

I am always thinking, what sort of disaster will greet me when the FL takes her clothes off. I don't expect perfection, however would be a nice surprise.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1843903]Very few GoGos do a good biz these days. CH is one of the few exceptions, though for the life of me I can't see why. Poke your head into most GoGos and they are quite empty. The GoGo biz is on the decline in BKK. Can't speak for Pattaya as I have only been there for three nights in the past three years.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Bargirls have got too expensive. The punter wants a cheap freelancer to cut the overheads. I don't want cheap. I want stunning dream girls if possible. I am also not looking for the so called "skill" sets that are really just service sets provided. Some of the well trained Oily "super" girls for me give weak kissing, weak BJ, and weak GFE. I just like it differently. Probably some girls are happier with the man that just lies back and does nothing, and lets her run the show. I don't care where a girl works, I just want her to be adaptable to me, not running to a script.

Different bars have to know exactly what they are catering for to pull the customer. Bacarra undeniably works very well, just not for me. I don't go for all the fake surgeried girls, and the place is too crowded (can't see the girls properly in the throng). It's also a bit too boring.

CH works as well but for a slightly different set of customers. Those who are not so keen on the surgeries, even I have to admit nose jobs are badly on the rise and boob jobs too. The music is a bit more danceable for the girls, the stage is less crowded, you can see the overall line up a bit better. Doesn't take that long to see all the top girls are missing on certain occasions. Nudity is useful for making bar less boring, and being able to fully evaluate a girl's body.

Suzi Wong still struggles along and has tried to boost customer by going the ugly Pat Pong shows route in addition to their sexy shows. Too many fatty girls in the modern day however a recent visit showed reduced fatties. I guess only the shows keeps them going.

Long Gun became a boring bar after they lost their fabulous Cabaret shows a few years back, in my opinion. Business is low. Doll House has had a refit, but failing to draw customers much. Some girls are nude.

Essentially there is only one way to succeed. The bar has to find ways to pull lots of new girls that are good looking. CH initially did this by paying girl much higher monthly salaries than other bars. The CH quality now has dropped off. The supply of stunning girls wanting to work gogo is just not high enough. Some girls don't want to be nude. Its against social values. Girls often change later to nude, if they get body into shape, or overcome their shyness.

Many of the young good looking girls want to become Coyotes, even they don't have the Coyote dancing ability. A high proportion of young girls are being wrecked by: junk food, babies, surgeries, and taken by other roles like Coyotes. What is left for pretty girls, is getting so scarce. Now new lawas have excluded the under 20 YO girls. In the old days a large portion of young beauties did not meet this rule, and some of the girls were not even really Thai nationals.

Bars are mainly for the tourists, but I still use them. I don't really give a shit about shops or establishments. I go purely where I have found a girl or girls that I like and are well above the average surgeried looks. A single girl can pull me to a place, but in that case, I would usually contact her by LINE, first.

Any place that consistently delivers me something, is worth calling in for a quick look. If don't find it, move on.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1844109]Agreed. Bargirls have got too expensive. The punter wants a cheap freelancer to cut the overheads. I don't want cheap. I want stunning dream girls if possible. I am also not looking for the so called "skill" sets that are really just service sets provided. Some of the well trained Oily "super" girls for me give weak kissing, weak BJ, and weak GFE. I just like it differently. Probably some girls are happier with the man that just lies back and does nothing, and lets her run the show. I don't care where a girl works, I just want her to be adaptable to me, not running to a script.

Many of the young good looking girls want to become Coyotes, even they don't have the Coyote dancing ability. A high proportion of young girls are being wrecked by: junk food, babies, surgeries, and taken by other roles like Coyotes. What is left for pretty girls, is getting so scarce. Now new lawas have excluded the under 20 YO girls. In the old days a large portion of young beauties did not meet this rule, and some of the girls were not even really Thai nationals.[/QUOTE]Agreed! I hate scripts and that is why I have found oily gals to be so great. They seem to adapt to what I want, hell, even to what mood I am in that day very quickly. Sometimes I want to be the aggressor and sometimes I want to lay back and be serviced. Most of the gals I take in the oilies can monitor and adjust.

And honestly, if I saw a "stunning dream girl" who performed like a porn star or a girlfriend I would have no problem at all paying top dollar for it. But honestly, I don't see any of those in any establishments.

Guys,

How do you be discrete for our activities in Thailand. I booked my ticket and my hotel together to get cheaper rates but now I am guessing the hotel staff would have my my full name and passport and etc. If I were to bring a girl to the hotel wouldn't they know? On another note I believe in Thailand you have to carry your passport everywhere so how do you guys make sure the lady does not open your passport and find out your identity? Could you guys share some tips on how to remain discrete and make sure nothing gets stolen? By the way I did a quite search on youtubr and it seems there is a poster who takes video and exposes guys soliciting ladies. He would sit in front of the short time hotel and switch on his camera. You can see mostly farang with younger ladies and etc. Am I being paranoid here?

[QUOTE=CaptCabins;1844179]
How do you be discrete for our activities in Thailand.[/QUOTE]I just visit the places with rooms, such as oillies, massage shops and soapies. If I go to a gogo, I just get a ST room, or ask the girl if she knows of a LT room. There are rooms that provide LT for pretty reasonable rates. I think there is one on Soi 33, maybe the compact hotel or behind it.

[QUOTE=CaptCabins;1844179]
If I were to bring a girl to the hotel wouldn't they know?
[/QUOTE]They don't care the slightest. It's not like in the west, where sex / nudity is somehow worse than violence. (EG: America prohibits the slightest nipple slip on television, but viewing decapitation is somehow acceptable.).

[QUOTE=CaptCabins;1844179]
On another note I believe in Thailand you have to carry your passport everywhere so how do you guys make sure the lady does not open your passport and find out your identity?
[/QUOTE]Simply not true, and very, very bad idea to carry your passport. It must be kept locked in your safe. On my first trip, I originally thought I had to carry my passport with me. And got drunk, and I thought I lost my passport on my first trip. I didn't as it was in my room.

[QUOTE=CaptCabins;1844179]
Could you guys share some tips on how to remain discrete and make sure nothing gets stolen?
[/QUOTE]Well, I can tell you are new. And if I can, a hooker can spot it a mile away. But you seem to have some smarts if you are planning things out so you'll probably be fine. Just a few rules: 1. Don't drink anything in the room 2. Don't let girls buy drinks for you. 3. Keep your drink in your hand or very nearby, to prevent a girl from spiking it in a club. 4. If you're new, and alone, better to avoid meeting in clubs (freelancers). In fact, some say better to avoid freelancers for a number of reasons (quality, looks and price are all bad in Bangkok freelancer market it seems?

[QUOTE=CaptCabins;1844179]
By the way I did a quite search on youtubr and it seems there is a poster who takes video and exposes guys soliciting ladies.
[/QUOTE]Everything is on youtube these days. That's just the world we live in now. A lot of noise really, nobody really hones in on that particular video of something so boring. A lot of people put random crap on youtube just to try to make money. Wouldn't be surprised if the guy who uploaded that video was also a frequenter of the same brothels he was video taping.

[QUOTE=CaptCabins;1844179] Am I being paranoid here?[/QUOTE]Yes, too much.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;1844377]
Simply not true, and very, very bad idea to carry your passport. It must be kept locked in your safe. [/QUOTE]Are you sure? [URL]http://pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/221631/30-foreigners-detained-during-id-checks-in-pattaya-nightclubs/[/URL].

[QUOTE=ParkVille;1844377] In fact, some say better to avoid freelancers for a number of reasons [/QUOTE]In fact is very difficult get scammed from freelancers. With a little care, avoiding to be too much drunk and use a hotel where the staff check girl's ID and call you in the room when you finish the session is enough for not have problem with a freelancers.

Recommend to avoid freelancers is a simply no sense, IMHO.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1844109]Agreed. Bargirls have got too expensive. The punter wants a cheap freelancer to cut the overheads. I don't want cheap. I want stunning dream girls if possible. I am also not looking for the so called "skill" sets that are really just service sets provided. Some of the well trained Oily "super" girls for me give weak kissing, weak BJ, and weak GFE. I just like it differently. Probably some girls are happier with the man that just lies back and does nothing, and lets her run the show. I don't care where a girl works, I just want her to be adaptable to me, not running to a script.

Different bars have to know exactly what they are catering for to pull the customer. Bacarra undeniably works very well, just not for me. I don't go for all the fake surgeried girls, and the place is too crowded (can't see the girls properly in the throng). It's also a bit too boring.

CH works as well but for a slightly different set of customers. Those who are not so keen on the surgeries, even I have to admit nose jobs are badly on the rise and boob jobs too. The music is a bit more danceable for the girls, the stage is less crowded, you can see the overall line up a bit better. Doesn't take that long to see all the top girls are missing on certain occasions. Nudity is useful for making bar less boring, and being able to fully evaluate a girl's body.

Suzi Wong still struggles along and has tried to boost customer by going the ugly Pat Pong shows route in addition to their sexy shows. Too many fatty girls in the modern day however a recent visit showed reduced fatties. I guess only the shows keeps them going.

Long Gun became a boring bar after they lost their fabulous Cabaret shows a few years back, in my opinion. Business is low. Doll House has had a refit, but failing to draw customers much. Some girls are nude.

Essentially there is only one way to succeed. The bar has to find ways to pull lots of new girls that are good looking. CH initially did this by paying girl much higher monthly salaries than other bars. The CH quality now has dropped off. The supply of stunning girls wanting to work gogo is just not high enough. Some girls don't want to be nude. Its against social values. Girls often change later to nude, if they get body into shape, or overcome their shyness.

Many of the young good looking girls want to become Coyotes, even they don't have the Coyote dancing ability. A high proportion of young girls are being wrecked by: junk food, babies, surgeries, and taken by other roles like Coyotes. What is left for pretty girls, is getting so scarce. Now new lawas have excluded the under 20 YO girls. In the old days a large portion of young beauties did not meet this rule, and some of the girls were not even really Thai nationals.

Bars are mainly for the tourists, but I still use them. I don't really give a shit about shops or establishments. I go purely where I have found a girl or girls that I like and are well above the average surgeried looks. A single girl can pull me to a place, but in that case, I would usually contact her by LINE, first.

Any place that consistently delivers me something, is worth calling in for a quick look. If don't find it, move on.[/QUOTE]Go over and read the first few posts in the Angeles City forum. Same same as Thailand. High prices, bad attitudes, and poor service. Our hobby is morphing into something that we all won't enjoy so much.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1844452]Go over and read the first few posts in the Angeles City forum. Same same as Thailand. High prices, bad attitudes, and poor service. Our hobby is morphing into something that we all won't enjoy so much.[/QUOTE]Actually my biggest problems are different: Surgeries, increase in over weight young girls, and dick scared girls with no stamina, lack of stunners, and sometimes poor GFE. In terms of price, I woud prefer to say many girls are not really good value for money, specially in Soapies and bars. If the girl is fabulous, I don't mind paying a bit more, but alas the fabulous ones are less common. Hard to build up a set of favorite girls. Hard to find the special ones.

The biggest problem is we get harder to please and like a much narrower range of girls. I always have to compare to my GF, who Is still pretty hot to look at, at least. Her attitude is not so hot as I would like. If only she was horny very often and acted provocative. She remains far too shy to be provocative.

I guess by bad attitude you mean wanting easy money and not being very service oriented, which sort of goes with high prices and poor service.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1844486]Actually my biggest problems are different: Surgeries, increase in over weight young girls, and dick scared girls with no stamina, lack of stunners, and sometimes poor GFE. In terms of price, I woud prefer to say many girls are not really good value for money, specially in Soapies and bars. If the girl is fabulous, I don't mind paying a bit more, but alas the fabulous ones are less common. Hard to build up a set of favorite girls. Hard to find the special ones.

The biggest problem is we get harder to please and like a much narrower range of girls. I always have to compare to my GF, who Is still pretty hot to look at, at least. Her attitude is not so hot as I would like. If only she was horny very often and acted provocative. She remains far too shy to be provocative.

I guess by bad attitude you mean wanting easy money and not being very service oriented, which sort of goes with high prices and poor service.[/QUOTE]Very good post Syz. I would agree. I have no problem paying more money for top notch looks and top notch service. It is very hard to find gals that "float my boat" these days. Had a nice one last night. A FL I have not seen for about 8 years. Late 30's, no kid, rocking body, light skin, pink nips, wonderfully pleasant attitude, no rush, and great performance. Saw her on Suk, she said, "Pay duay" and we were off to the ST Hotel. Great sesh of about 45 min - 1 h, paid her 1 K. She was happy, and so was I. I remember when that was the norm. Sigh.

[QUOTE=CaptCabins;1844179]Guys,

How do you be discrete for our activities in Thailand. I booked my ticket and my hotel together to get cheaper rates but now I am guessing the hotel staff would have my my full name and passport and etc.[/QUOTE]All hotels in Thailand are required by law to take down name and passport details of all their guests. It doesn't matter whether you bought a package holiday or booked directly with the hotel or through a web-site or even simply walked in and got yourself a room.

Some "short time hotels" may be a bit more lenient on the registration requirement, but actually nobody cares.

Contrary to what many seem to believe, Thai people are friendly and not out to take advantage of you or scam you or black-mail you. And actually they don't care who you bring to your room: your wife, your girlfriend, your "mia noi", a hooker or your maiden aunt. Even those very cute reception desk girls don't loose their smiles if you bring yet another lady to your room.

[QUOTE=CaptCabins;1844179]If I were to bring a girl to the hotel wouldn't they know?[/QUOTE]Of course they know and I think it amuses them to no end if you somehow try to hide it, like trying to sneak past reception without showing her ID. I always walk up boldly to the reception desk and ask my companion to show her ID card. In some hotels they take a copy, in other they keep the ID card. If anything, the reception girls seem to appreciate your honesty and openeness and making it more easy on them to process "guest" registration.

[QUOTE=CaptCabins;1844179]On another note I believe in Thailand you have to carry your pasport everywhere so how do you guys make sure the lady does not open your passport and find out your identity?[/QUOTE]Huh? Why would she do that? I must say I never heard stories about nosy girls trying to find out the identity of their customers. Yes, I do use a nickname when in Thailand, but mainly because my real name is unpronounceable for Thais. Even my Thai GF uses my nickname rather then my real name.

I know that on many sites it is advised to only carry a copy of your passport when going out. I find this a bad advice, at least in Thailand. I always carry my passport with me, just as I always carry my ID-card in my home country. What's the difference? Thai people carry their ID-cards too al the time. If it's OK for them, it will be OK for us too.

[QUOTE=CaptCabins;1844179] Could you guys share some tips on how to remain discrete and make sure nothing gets stolen?[/QUOTE]You are probably more likely to get mugged in an average big Western city than in Thailand, but pick-pockets are everywhere unfortunately. Just don't carry more money than you actually need, pay most things with your credit card so you limit the amount of cash you need. In your room, keep the real valuable stuff (spare cash, tablet, camera) in the safe box and don't bring unecessary luxuries: a Casio watch keeps the time at least as well, if not better than your expensive Rolex. Gold necklaces, diamond rings, rubies and emeralds are best kept at home.

[QUOTE=CaptCabins;1844179]By the way I did a quite search on youtubr and it seems there is a poster who takes video and exposes guys soliciting ladies. He would sit in front of the short time hotel and switch on his camera. You can see mostly farang with younger ladies and etc. Am I being paranoid here?[/QUOTE]Yes, you are. And that guy is the best reason to take the girls to your normal hotel rather than a short time hotel. He is not going to video all hotels in Bangkok, is he?. Besides, every second, hours of video footage is being uploaded on YouTube. You and and your temporary girlfriend will "drown" in a sea of cute internet kittens and badly filmed holiday pictures.

[QUOTE=ShinShin;1843658]A few more things I want to mention about Saphan Kawai gogos, after all these years going there occasionally, I still do not get much fun from there. One really annoying thing is that the concierge will try to push you with all these most least attractive ones constantly, one that tip concierge to find customers for them. They will simply sit the girl down next to you and coerce you to take her. You really have to be brave to turn them away one by one, until the concierge get pissed. This happen to me constantly there in Dted as well. Maybe I can kind of answer some of the questions by other poster. You would be very lucky to get the cuter girl as a newbie customer, these cuter ones are all taken or reserved by their Thai regular VIPs who tip their regular concierge very well, a few times I asked to bring some cuties over, the concierge always say things like she is with customer, or she is waiting for her customer, in my memory I never got the one I wanted, almost always have to compromise with what's left or accept what concierge force you to take.

Another annoying thing is these waiter and waitress constantly try to persuade you to order food and drinks, I always end up order a very overpriced fried rice or fried chicken to keep them away. At the end, I always end up sitting with someone I don't have much interest, and then be persuaded to get a lap dance, another 100 gone to the drain for 3 min which you don't even get excited to hug and touch with. SK is always a bit frustrated experience for me. Maybe these SK pros may have different experience. A few weeks ago, I was in BKK for a transit and went to Rainbow in SK, I think no relation to Rainbow in Nana, it was another frustrated experience there, saw a few semi cuties, asked 3 different ladies to go ST, but got rejected by all, saying they don't do outing or saying only go dance or drink or eat okay, WTF. These girls in some of the shops like Rainbow really play hard games.[/QUOTE]I think the problem might be you my brother. Every time I go, if I'm not hungry, I decline the food. Beer is much cheaper than Soi cowboy or Nana, I just tell them I'm not hungry and keep ordering beer. If you don't want to drink and you sit there and order 1 beer every hour, then of course, any bar won't be happy. Think about it, it's common sense.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1844546]Very good post Syz. I would agree. I have no problem paying more money for top notch looks and top notch service. It is very hard to find gals that "float my boat" these days. Had a nice one last night. A FL I have not seen for about 8 years. Late 30's, no kid, rocking body, light skin, pink nips, wonderfully pleasant attitude, no rush, and great performance. Saw her on Suk, she said, "Pay duay" and we were off to the ST Hotel. Great sesh of about 45 min - 1 h, paid her 1 K. She was happy, and so was I. I remember when that was the norm. Sigh.[/QUOTE]I seldom pick up a FL due to safety concerns. Always heard that it's better to have a bar girl because you know where to track her down. Also, I like to have drinks and chat with someone before I decide whether she will be fun in bed too.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1844383]Yes, too much.

Are you sure? [URL]http://pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/221631/30-foreigners-detained-during-id-checks-in-pattaya-nightclubs/[/URL].

In fact is very difficult get scammed from freelancers. With a little care, avoiding to be too much drunk and use a hotel where the staff check girl's ID and call you in the room when you finish the session is enough for not have problem with a freelancers.

Recommend to avoid freelancers is a simply no sense, IMHO.[/QUOTE]It's very much worth noting that nothing reported on pattayaone is credible. Horrible source of information. They always spin the story leaving only 20% of it accurate. The people who are victims in some of those stories will show up in the comments and clearly explain how wrong and biased that website is, giving an account of the events that is so different than what was "reported". However, that doesn't mean it didn't happen according to what they say, in this particular case. Just depends on how much they feel the need to fabricate reality, since their so concerned with Pattaya's tourist image.

So "detained" doesn't mean arrested. It usually just means that the police stopped you for some duration, asking questions, or maybe you had to sit in a waiting room in the police station. Going to a club with your real passport is a horrible idea. It's so easy for it to just fall out of your pockets.

So, the article says (which is hard to believe what they say, given their past / recent screw ups):

[QUOTE]On this occasion 30 foreign nationals were briefly detained at the Tourist Police Station until they were able to produce their passports.[/QUOTE]Which is exactly why I keep my passport safe. In the event I am detained, I can have it produced within mere hours. If I lose it however, I am stuck dealing with my consulate in proving my identity, which is difficult, and requires original birth certificates. Furthermore, the consulates in Thailand are very corrupt. The US consulate has connections with the boiler room mafia and even had 2 American citizens, who the mafia feared would snitch, falsely arrested (silenced): [URL]http://www.andrew-drummond.com/2015/02/bangkok-boiler-rooms-part-2-exclusive.html[/URL].

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1844383]
Recommend to avoid freelancers is a simply no sense, IMHO.
[/QUOTE]It is quite logical. For a newbie, simply avoid freelancers, if they are so timid and concerned. Let them get their feet wet with all the other options, which will still be sensory overload for them anyway. There are many reports (not in the corrupt media) of men being drugged and robbed. Sometimes they are dosed too high and die in their room.